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Postgame notes, quotes and observations

The Raiders on Sunday lost their fifth straight game. In the process, they were mathematically eliminated from playoff contention and assured a losing record for the eighth time in 10 seasons.
The Raiders can’t catch the Colts, who won their eighth game of the season Sunday. The best the Raiders could do is to win their final four games and finish 7-9.
The Steelers and Bengals already are at seven victories, and they play each other one more time. That guarantees that one of them will finish ahead of the Raiders, too.
So, it’s on to 2013 for the Raiders on the heels of their 20-17 loss to the Cleveland Browns and the end of their hopes for their first playoff berth in 10 seasons.
“There’s nowhere to go but up, unfortunately,” quarterback Carson Palmer said. “The good thing is, we get to play fast. We don’t have to think about it for very long. We got to start focusing tonight, we have to start watching tape tonight.
“See what Denver does, see how much they’ve changed since the last time we played them. Nothing cures a five-game skid like a win at home on Thursday night against a team like that.”
Modifying goals and lowering expectations are not what the Raiders envisioned after only 12 games. Yet, that’s what they’re reduced to doing in light of a 3-9 record.
Free safety/cornerback Michael Huff talked about the Raiders having a top-five-caliber defense at the start of the season.
And now?
“It’s like it’s the same — can’t stop the run, can’t stop the pass,” Huff said. “Things just aren’t going well on defense. Right now, I guess we’re just a bad defense. We can’t really hide it. At this point, the numbers don’t really allow it. We’re just bad right now.”
The Raiders had to feel good about playing a Browns team that entered with a similar 3-8 record and a string of 12 straight road losses.
Yet, the Browns pretty much controlled the game from the outset, leading the entire way and surviving a brief scare from the Raiders early in the fourth quarter.
That threat ended with a Palmer pass that was intercepted and an ensuing drive that yielded a Browns touchdown.
That Browns drive began at their own 6-yard line. It ended 14 plays later with rookie running back Trent Richardson breezing into the end zone on a 3-yard run.
“When you have them first-and-94, we have to make a stop,” Allen said. “There was a critical third down in that series that they converted to keep the drive alive. Third down overall in the game was pretty good defensively. That was a critical play in the game. We have to find a way to get off the field and stop them in those situations.”
Now the Raiders have to find a way to build some momentum heading into the offseason, when Allen, general manager Reggie McKenzie and owner Mark Davis continue the process of making over the roster.
They hoped this season would end with a playoff berth and run at a Super Bowl title. Instead, it died a painful death Sunday, with four games to play.

– Tight end Brandon Myers’ breakout season got a whole lot better Sunday.
He caught 14 passes for 130 yards against the Browns. The 14 receptions tied the franchise mark set by wide receiver Tim Brown in 1997.
“Brandon has done a nice job for us in the passing game,” Allen said. “Obviously, our quarterback feels comfortable with him. I’m not really looking for silver linings right now but, yeah, he’s done a nice job for us.”
Time and again, Palmer looked for Myers whenever a play broke down or other receivers weren’t open. Time and again, Myers made the play. He caught all but one pass thrown his way.
Palmer said Myers has the ability to do the right thing more times than not, which leads Palmer to look Myers’ way quite often, as he did on the final Raiders drive that resulted in a touchdown by Myers.
“He’s just a good football player,” Palmer said. “He makes plays. He gets open. He really understands what we’re trying to do as an offense. He understands how to get open. He understands defenses. He understands coverages and seems to always kind of find an open spot.
“Just, naturally, you don’t teach that. You don’t coach that. That’s just, you either got it or you don’t. And he’s got a lot of it.”

– Allen conducted his postgame news conference, got dressed in a hurry and was escorted to a waiting car for a ride to the Oakland Airport so that he could get to Texas to be with his ailing father.
A team spokesman said Allen is expected to be back in time to rejoin the team Wednesday and coach the Thursday night game against the Denver Broncos.
Here’s to hoping that Allen’s father makes a speedy recovery and that Allen’s visit helps in that process.
In the interim, Allen appointed offensive coordinator Greg Knapp as the coach to oversee practice during his absence.

– Allen confirmed that he benched wide receiver Denarius Moore and cornerback Ron Bartell for a spell because of inconsistent play.
Bartell was replaced by Phillip Adams, who intercepted a pass but was forced from the game with a head injury.
Moore was replaced by rookie Rod Streater down the stretch after failing to hold on to several catchable passes.
“Yeah, took him out there at the end,” Allen said of Moore. “Dropped a couple balls, and we got to make plays when you’ve got opportunities. Both those guys. It wasn’t from a lack of effort, but we’ve got to make plays when we’ve got an opportunity.”
Streater finished with three catches for 96 yards, including a 64-yard touchdown.

– Quarterback Terrelle Pryor was active for Sunday’s game, the first time he was in uniform for a regular-season game in 12 games this season.
Maybe now that the Raiders are out of the playoffs picture, Allen and McKenzie will do more than allow Pryor to stand on the sideline in his uniform.
Pryor didn’t play Sunday, and he still hasn’t attempted a pass in his two NFL seasons. He was on the field for one botched play his rookie season, when he got called for a false start.
McKenzie said he wants to see Pryor play so that he can get a better feel for what Pryor can do in a real game.
It says here that now is the perfect time to do so. The Raiders have four otherwise meaningless games left. They need to see what Pryor can do, as well as other young, inexperienced players such as running back Taiwan Jones and defensive back Brandian Ross.

– The Browns converted only 3 of 11 third-down plays into first downs, yet they amassed 475 yards offense.
Among those yards, rookie quarterback Brandon Weeden passes for a career-high 364 yards, while being sacked only once in 37 dropbacks.

– The Raiders committed 10 penalties for 65 yards Sunday, while the Browns were flagged only twice for 25.
Naturally, several of the penalties came at the worst time for the Raiders.
On one play, defensive tackle Desmond Bryant jumped offsides on a third-and-one play from the Raiders 10-yard line in the fourth quarter. The Browns scored a game-clinching touchdown two plays later.

– Allen said running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson came close to being ready to play Sunday. In the end, he opted to give them a few more days’ rest on their high-ankle sprains.
“I would expect both of those guys to be able to play on Thursday night,” Allen said. “We tested them out. They just weren’t quite ready to go. I’d hope they’d be ready for Thursday night.”

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  • DJ Johnny

    1421.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
    lol….just one reason….anybody?
    —–

    If Dennis Allen still sucks after 5 more years, then it’s ok to call him a bust

    So…give him 5 more yr’s and if we aren’t above at least 5 wins a yr. by then…we can start looking at other coaching options?

    “10 and then” is really catching on.

  • The_Judge37

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    The D is garbage, we can agree. And i didn’t expect much from it this year. But to be fair, Reggie did add the most to this D, with Bartell, Spencer, GB practice Squad, Wheeler, Bilukidi, Burris, Crawford, etc…. while all budget picks i know, still have all failed to produce even the slightest improvemen

    Same sh1t man, there isn’t a big time signing, you can’t expect to get better players with late round picks and 1 year contracts
    ———-

    They’re no worse that what we lost, why should there be regression on defense too.

  • mcfadden20.

    Gallery was brought in 03, Jamarcus russel 06 ,DMC 08 DHB 09, Smart GM drafts players to help the Qb succeed, I’m not saying Jamarcus would have succeeded in a perfect environment, any player can succeed in any environment as long as he works hard, but just saying Al D didn’t know how to rebuild, he just knew how to reload

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    GREG PAPA was just on 95.7 the game talking about this rumor.. Said last time GRUDEN came to Rickeys few yrs ago he had called papa and they all went down there.

    Papa said GRUDEN openely talked about coming back to the Raiders and Papa was surpised to hear that.. Papa said Gruden described it as “UNFINISHED BUSINESS” also papa says he thinks Gruden would want to be the signal caller.

  • The_Judge37

    Dakota Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    WE WANT JON!

    WE WANT JON!

    WE WANT JON!
    —-

    Sounds like a hooker on strike

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Dan78 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    RaidingTexas Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    What’s the “vicious rumor” in Raider Nation? 95.7 just teased it. Anyone heard something? It’s supposedly pretty good.
    ———-
    Any word on that rumor?

    =====================================

    Pro Football Weekly is speculating that Gruden may be returning to the organization in a “prominent role,” whatever that means. Until we get more details, it could just be click-bait.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Phil was considering the offer.
    LMAO @ The Fakers!

    Go Clippers!
    Go Cavs!

  • mcfadden20.

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    The D is garbage, we can agree. And i didn’t expect much from it this year. But to be fair, Reggie did add the most to this D, with Bartell, Spencer, GB practice Squad, Wheeler, Bilukidi, Burris, Crawford, etc…. while all budget picks i know, still have all failed to produce even the slightest improvemen

    Same sh1t man, there isn’t a big time signing, you can’t expect to get better players with late round picks and 1 year contracts
    ———-

    They’re no worse that what we lost, why should there be regression on defense too.

    ===
    I told you man , Wimbley, Kelly, and Seymour combined for 20+ sacks, 1 guy is out 2 guys are near their retirements, and also we didn’t face many good passing O’s last year

  • Marks hair

    Tp should be starting already.. cle would have been perfect timing. We need to evaluate. Think about the draft you fat idiot..

  • Dakota

    Kobe to Gasol:

    “Put your pants!”

  • RaidingTexas

    Dan78 Says:

    Any word on that rumor?

    ———————————-

    Yes, Profootballweekly wrote that Jon Gruden is rumored to be returning to the Raiders in a “prominent” role. Here’s a link to the rumor:

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/12/03/stafford-suffers-from-shotgun-overload

    “The latest scuttlebutt in the league has Gruden, on the brink of turning age 50, in line to rejoin the Raiders’ organization in a prominent role. The franchise’s downturn can be traced directly back to his departure a decade ago, he has a relationship with GM Reggie McKenzie from their time together in Green Bay and he has an even better understanding of the infrastructure in Oakland and the Al Davis brand of football than anyone in football. With more autonomy to run the organization how he sees fit, adapting a model that Davis taught him, Gruden is very well-positioned to resurrect a faitering franchise that went 0-for-November and has yet to win a game since owner Mark Davis put everyone on notice and said he was not pleased with the direction of the team.”

  • DJ Johnny

    1500.Dan78 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    RaidingTexas Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    What’s the “vicious rumor” in Raider Nation? 95.7 just teased it. Anyone heard something? It’s supposedly pretty good.
    ———-
    Any word on that rumor?

    If it’s like the UT Vol forum’s rumors it is probaly some guy claiming he “has on good authority from trusted sources, that Jon Gruden has agreed in priciple to be the next head coach of the Oakland Raiders”.

    10 yr’s 400 mill.

  • The_Judge37

    RaidingTexas Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:

    No lack of Talent pass for Hue?

    —————————————–

    Apparently not. He’s gone. Why can’t you move on from that?
    ——-

    Just trying to understand the line of thinking when it’s the coaches fault and when it’s the players fault

  • mcfadden20.

    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    GREG PAPA was just on 95.7 the game talking about this rumor.. Said last time GRUDEN came to Rickeys few yrs ago he had called papa and they all went down there.

    Papa said GRUDEN openely talked about coming back to the Raiders and Papa was surpised to hear that.. Papa said Gruden described it as “UNFINISHED BUSINESS” also papa says he thinks Gruden would want to be the signal caller.

    == uh who cares , I would wait until i hear from a real source not some one who wants Gruden every day

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Of course AL was still in chargers this was before the RAiders played the Redskins in that rainstorm.

    in 2009 Al told Greg papa that GRUDEN had called him expressing that he wanted to come back. Jon had reached out to Al this was right before Al hired HUE in 2010. Papa said that HUE was really the coach in 2010.. but Cable had the title.

    Greg told AL jokenly .. you would never hire JON back.. and AL said “im thinking about it” Im thinking about it”

    Again Greg papa is saying this on 95.7 the game. Just letting u know. I really believe MARK DAVIS is gonna make a strong pitch for GRUDEN

  • r8eray

    GRUDEN IS COMING BACK TO OAKLAND!!!!!!!!!

  • RaidingTexas

    RaiderDuck Says:

    Until we get more details, it could just be click-bait.

    ——————————————

    I agree. I’m calling bullsh!t on this one.

  • The_Judge37

    I think the line of thinking goes like this:

    If Al Davis hired them, then it’s their fault

    If Al Davis drafted or signed them, then it’s their fault

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
    Dakota Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    WE WANT JON!

    WE WANT JON!

    WE WANT JON!
    —-

    Sounds like a hooker on strike
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    LMAO!

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    R8eray Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
    GRUDEN IS COMING BACK TO OAKLAND!!!!!!!!!

    ======================================

    Doubtful.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    I’m thinking Tit’s father must be very seriously ill or near death.

    Can’t see him leaving the team under any other circumstances.

    I think Tits has done a very poor job as HC, but can still sympathize with him as a human being.

    If it turns out his father isn’t seriously ill, then this ‘leave of absence’ – especially during a short week – raises questions as to what’s going on behind the scenes in Oakland as well as Tit’s mental status and viability moving forward.

    The situation has to be extremely dire for an NFL HC to take time off during the season, even if his team is 3-9 and out of contention.

  • DJ Johnny

    1504.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    GREG PAPA was just on 95.7 the game talking about this rumor.. Said last time GRUDEN came to Rickeys few yrs ago he had called papa and they all went down there.

    Papa said GRUDEN openely talked about coming back to the Raiders and Papa was surpised to hear that.. Papa said Gruden described it as “UNFINISHED BUSINESS” also papa says he thinks Gruden would want to be the signal caller.

    Man. Dennis Allen is having a tough month. Now he has THIS to deal with?

  • RaidingTexas

    How did nobody in here pick up on this rumor until 95.7 talked about it? It’s been on the web for nearly 3 hours. Weird.

  • DJ Johnny

    1520.RaiderDuck Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
    R8eray Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
    GRUDEN IS COMING BACK TO OAKLAND!!!!!!!!!

    ======================================

    Doubtful.

    C’mon Duck. Don’t be a buzzkill.

  • mcfadden20.

    I wanted Hue back, I want DA back, I’m not even worried about that Because DA is here atleast 1 more year for sure, i just don’t get the reasoning behind coaching changes every year, just cuz there is 1 Jim or john Harbaugh in the league there are also plenty of coaches who showed nothing in their earlier years and went ahead and had pretty good careers, CHuck Noll, B Walsh, Jimmy Johnson, Belichick to name a few, I’m not saying DA will def turn out into a pretty good coach but why not freaking be patient and see what DA can do , well atleast give him a with a good salary cap situation and good draftand plenty of time to choose coaches? No? am i wrong for expecting that?

  • JB

    Here’s a trade for all of you to chew on: CP3, Dmac & we’ll throw in McCheese to Arizona for their 2013 1st & second round picks & 2014′s 1st round pick.

    That would allow us to get Star Lotulelei, Manti Te’o & some other good talent on defense. We could resign Lienart as a stopgap & develop TP6 is there’s anything there to develop. Otherwise pickup a developmental QB in 2013 draft or go for a 1st rounder the following year.

  • DJ Johnny

    1523.RaidingTexas Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    How did nobody in here pick up on this rumor until 95.7 talked about it? It’s been on the web for nearly 3 hours. Weird.

    Someone posted the link to the story earlier but the blurb on Gruden was kind of buried toward the end like it was no big deal.

  • Dakota

    Knowing the Raiders, we will accidentally hire Jay Gruden instead of Jon Gruden.

  • RaidingTexas

    The_Judge37 Says:

    I think the line of thinking goes like this:

    If Al Davis hired them, then it’s their fault

    If Al Davis drafted or signed them, then it’s their fault

    ————————————

    Well, FWIW, I do think the new regime has made some mistakes on players. All teams do. But then again, I don’t have intimate knowledge of why these decisions were made. They could mostly be driven by financial reasons. Or maybe the players we cut/traded flat out told the Raiders they didn’t want to be in Oakland any more. You just don’t know.

  • Dakota

    If you are Jon Gruden, do you take the oakland job or the Eagles job?

  • JB

    If Gruden goes anywhere it will be to the Philadelphia Eagles. He has family there.

  • Dan78

    Could it be That’s why Allen skipped out on the team. Maybe he heard the rumor that Chucky maybe coming back and just packed it in…
    Conspiracy theory just for thought…

  • Dakota

    FWIW?

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Pro Football Weekly: Jon Gruden in line to rejoin the Raiders in a “prominent” role

    “Jon Gruden has been out of the NFL since his abrupt firing by the Buccaneers in 2008, when inside sources said the players turned against his hard coaching style. Known for his admiration of John Madden, many executives around the league believed Gruden was destined for a prime-time role in the broadcast booth and would seek to spend the rest of his career there, capitalizing on the naming rights involved with the video gaming world that reportedly have generated more than $100 million for Madden. While spending the past three seasons working for ESPN on Monday nights, Gruden also has not stopped spending extensive time grilling and getting to know the next batch of quarterbacks to come through the NFL in his annual “Gruden’s QB Camp” series, logic would indicate, in preparation for the next coaching opportunity. The latest scuttlebutt in the league has Gruden, on the brink of turning age 50, in line to rejoin the Raiders’ organization in a prominent role. The franchise’s downturn can be traced directly back to his departure a decade ago, he has a relationship with GM Reggie McKenzie from their time together in Green Bay and he has an even better understanding of the infrastructure in Oakland and the Al Davis brand of football than anyone in football. With more autonomy to run the organization how he sees fit, adapting a model that Davis taught him, Gruden is very well-positioned to resurrect a faitering franchise that went 0-for-November and has yet to win a game since owner Mark Davis put everyone on notice and said he was not pleased with the direction of the team.”

    From Profootballweekly SOURCE

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/12/03/stafford-suffers-from-shotgun-overload

    ————————————————

    SO none of you guys saw this this morning? I told you guys when GRUDEN came back to light the torch he spent 3 days with MARK DAVIS

    PPL here were saying I needed to get over the GRUDEN thing and he wasnt coming back. Now a respected website in the game has heard this rumor. Im not saying its true..but where there is smoke there is FIYAHHHH!!

    ive been saying to get GRUDEN as PRESIDENT OF FOOTBALL OPERATIONS

    I JUST POSTED THE RAIDER RUMOR

  • The_Judge37

    Dakota Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    Knowing the Raiders, we will accidentally hire Jay Gruden instead of Jon Gruden.
    ———

    LOL

  • theghostronin79

    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    GREG PAPA was just on 95.7 the game talking about this rumor.. Said last time GRUDEN came to Rickeys few yrs ago he had called papa and they all went down there.

    Papa said GRUDEN openely talked about coming back to the Raiders and Papa was surpised to hear that.. Papa said Gruden described it as “UNFINISHED BUSINESS” also papa says he thinks Gruden would want to be the signal caller.

    ============

    Don’t do it man……I just got a flash of excitement in entertaining that thought…. Not gonna go there.

  • Marks hair

    Well now you’re just twisting things.. It was a rebuild that’s it … weather it was successful or not is of no consequence.. And Al wasn’t really good at rebuilding or reloading.. he hasn’t been any good since free agency began..

  • mcfadden20.

    Seasons like John Harbaugh , M Tomlin happen because they came into pretty good situations , D’s, Indy situation was way better than ours, ofcourse they went 1-15 with 3rd string qb, who wouldn’t go 1-15 with a 3rd string, LOL they had better situation than us , got a good QB and back in the playoffs, Rams, have good situation , they drafted players on D line and had money to get CB help, who got like 5 years 50 M contract? the most most we could throw out was 20M for 5 years of Briesel

  • Al_is_theraiders

    if chucky is even entertaining the idea…we need to fire DA quickly….

  • RaidingTexas

    Dakota Says:

    FWIW?

    —————————-

    For what it’s worth? LOL Know your acronyms, pal!

  • 2romes

    No!!! we can’t move on because the first step to rebuilding is admitting your past mistakes. Getting rid of Hue was a big mistake!!! Raiders fans that waited for the Raiders to becomes competitive again should not be subjected to failure again because the new regime deems failure to be progress!!!

    —————————————————–
    The_Judge37 Says:

    No lack of Talent pass for Hue?

    —————————————–
    RaidingTexas Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Apparently not. He’s gone. Why can’t you move on from that?

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    OF COURSE ANOTHER INTERESTING TIDBIT GREG PAPA DROPPED***

    Of course AL was still in charge this was before the RAiders played the Redskins in that rainstorm.

    in 2009 Al told Greg papa that GRUDEN had called him expressing that he wanted to come back. Jon had reached out to Al this was right before Al hired HUE in 2010. Papa said that HUE was really the coach in 2010.. but Cable had the title.

    Greg told AL jokenly .. you would never hire JON back.. and AL said “im thinking about it” Im thinking about it”

    Again Greg papa is saying this on 95.7 the game. Just letting u know. I really believe MARK DAVIS is gonna make a strong pitch for GRUDEN

  • Al_is_theraiders

    why are you guys getting my hopes up? lmao…too much heartbreak with this team….go get gruden!

  • mcfadden20.

    Marks hair Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Well now you’re just twisting things.. It was a rebuild that’s it … weather it was successful or not is of no consequence.. And Al wasn’t really good at rebuilding or reloading.. he hasn’t been any good since free agency began..

    since they set salary cap rules you mean?> Al was never good at rebuilding, when did he groomed a back up qb or back up running back or groomed a WR to take over when T brown retires? never, Salary cap caught up with him and all he could do was trade his draft picks if he wanted to aquire talent

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Greg Papa said nobody right now could come in and give the fans more excitment then JON GRUDEN. MARK DAVIS loves JON

    Said that place would be sold out next week if they knew JON was in a box or on the sidelines

  • The_Judge37

    Anything other than Head coach is not really a prominent Role for Gruden. Especially when they finally let him have a say in players, he rolled with Chris Simms

  • Dakota

    This season has certainly demonstrated at least one thing to me:

    If your team looks like shyyyyt in the preseason, they will look like schyyyyt in the regular season too.

    Losing games is one thing, but looking putrid when your starters are in is another ball game. The warning signs were there.

  • mcfadden20.

    Gruden went 8-8 2 years with more talent, good luck dreaming of SB’s with this roster

  • The_Judge37

    RaidingTexas Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    Dakota Says:

    FWIW?

    —————————-

    For what it’s worth? LOL Know your acronyms, pal!

    —-

    I don’t know what it meant either, but usually, if it’s not important enough to spell out, then just skip it.

  • Dan78

    Would love to have Chucky roaming the sidelines…
    Childs Play 2…