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Postgame notes, quotes and observations

By Steve Corkran
Sunday, December 2nd, 2012 at 6:55 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders on Sunday lost their fifth straight game. In the process, they were mathematically eliminated from playoff contention and assured a losing record for the eighth time in 10 seasons.
The Raiders can’t catch the Colts, who won their eighth game of the season Sunday. The best the Raiders could do is to win their final four games and finish 7-9.
The Steelers and Bengals already are at seven victories, and they play each other one more time. That guarantees that one of them will finish ahead of the Raiders, too.
So, it’s on to 2013 for the Raiders on the heels of their 20-17 loss to the Cleveland Browns and the end of their hopes for their first playoff berth in 10 seasons.
“There’s nowhere to go but up, unfortunately,” quarterback Carson Palmer said. “The good thing is, we get to play fast. We don’t have to think about it for very long. We got to start focusing tonight, we have to start watching tape tonight.
“See what Denver does, see how much they’ve changed since the last time we played them. Nothing cures a five-game skid like a win at home on Thursday night against a team like that.”
Modifying goals and lowering expectations are not what the Raiders envisioned after only 12 games. Yet, that’s what they’re reduced to doing in light of a 3-9 record.
Free safety/cornerback Michael Huff talked about the Raiders having a top-five-caliber defense at the start of the season.
And now?
“It’s like it’s the same — can’t stop the run, can’t stop the pass,” Huff said. “Things just aren’t going well on defense. Right now, I guess we’re just a bad defense. We can’t really hide it. At this point, the numbers don’t really allow it. We’re just bad right now.”
The Raiders had to feel good about playing a Browns team that entered with a similar 3-8 record and a string of 12 straight road losses.
Yet, the Browns pretty much controlled the game from the outset, leading the entire way and surviving a brief scare from the Raiders early in the fourth quarter.
That threat ended with a Palmer pass that was intercepted and an ensuing drive that yielded a Browns touchdown.
That Browns drive began at their own 6-yard line. It ended 14 plays later with rookie running back Trent Richardson breezing into the end zone on a 3-yard run.
“When you have them first-and-94, we have to make a stop,” Allen said. “There was a critical third down in that series that they converted to keep the drive alive. Third down overall in the game was pretty good defensively. That was a critical play in the game. We have to find a way to get off the field and stop them in those situations.”
Now the Raiders have to find a way to build some momentum heading into the offseason, when Allen, general manager Reggie McKenzie and owner Mark Davis continue the process of making over the roster.
They hoped this season would end with a playoff berth and run at a Super Bowl title. Instead, it died a painful death Sunday, with four games to play.

– Tight end Brandon Myers’ breakout season got a whole lot better Sunday.
He caught 14 passes for 130 yards against the Browns. The 14 receptions tied the franchise mark set by wide receiver Tim Brown in 1997.
“Brandon has done a nice job for us in the passing game,” Allen said. “Obviously, our quarterback feels comfortable with him. I’m not really looking for silver linings right now but, yeah, he’s done a nice job for us.”
Time and again, Palmer looked for Myers whenever a play broke down or other receivers weren’t open. Time and again, Myers made the play. He caught all but one pass thrown his way.
Palmer said Myers has the ability to do the right thing more times than not, which leads Palmer to look Myers’ way quite often, as he did on the final Raiders drive that resulted in a touchdown by Myers.
“He’s just a good football player,” Palmer said. “He makes plays. He gets open. He really understands what we’re trying to do as an offense. He understands how to get open. He understands defenses. He understands coverages and seems to always kind of find an open spot.
“Just, naturally, you don’t teach that. You don’t coach that. That’s just, you either got it or you don’t. And he’s got a lot of it.”

– Allen conducted his postgame news conference, got dressed in a hurry and was escorted to a waiting car for a ride to the Oakland Airport so that he could get to Texas to be with his ailing father.
A team spokesman said Allen is expected to be back in time to rejoin the team Wednesday and coach the Thursday night game against the Denver Broncos.
Here’s to hoping that Allen’s father makes a speedy recovery and that Allen’s visit helps in that process.
In the interim, Allen appointed offensive coordinator Greg Knapp as the coach to oversee practice during his absence.

– Allen confirmed that he benched wide receiver Denarius Moore and cornerback Ron Bartell for a spell because of inconsistent play.
Bartell was replaced by Phillip Adams, who intercepted a pass but was forced from the game with a head injury.
Moore was replaced by rookie Rod Streater down the stretch after failing to hold on to several catchable passes.
“Yeah, took him out there at the end,” Allen said of Moore. “Dropped a couple balls, and we got to make plays when you’ve got opportunities. Both those guys. It wasn’t from a lack of effort, but we’ve got to make plays when we’ve got an opportunity.”
Streater finished with three catches for 96 yards, including a 64-yard touchdown.

– Quarterback Terrelle Pryor was active for Sunday’s game, the first time he was in uniform for a regular-season game in 12 games this season.
Maybe now that the Raiders are out of the playoffs picture, Allen and McKenzie will do more than allow Pryor to stand on the sideline in his uniform.
Pryor didn’t play Sunday, and he still hasn’t attempted a pass in his two NFL seasons. He was on the field for one botched play his rookie season, when he got called for a false start.
McKenzie said he wants to see Pryor play so that he can get a better feel for what Pryor can do in a real game.
It says here that now is the perfect time to do so. The Raiders have four otherwise meaningless games left. They need to see what Pryor can do, as well as other young, inexperienced players such as running back Taiwan Jones and defensive back Brandian Ross.

– The Browns converted only 3 of 11 third-down plays into first downs, yet they amassed 475 yards offense.
Among those yards, rookie quarterback Brandon Weeden passes for a career-high 364 yards, while being sacked only once in 37 dropbacks.

– The Raiders committed 10 penalties for 65 yards Sunday, while the Browns were flagged only twice for 25.
Naturally, several of the penalties came at the worst time for the Raiders.
On one play, defensive tackle Desmond Bryant jumped offsides on a third-and-one play from the Raiders 10-yard line in the fourth quarter. The Browns scored a game-clinching touchdown two plays later.

– Allen said running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson came close to being ready to play Sunday. In the end, he opted to give them a few more days’ rest on their high-ankle sprains.
“I would expect both of those guys to be able to play on Thursday night,” Allen said. “We tested them out. They just weren’t quite ready to go. I’d hope they’d be ready for Thursday night.”

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  • Dakota

    1540.RaidingTexas Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    Dakota Says:

    FWIW?

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    For what it’s worth? LOL Know your acronyms, pal!

    ++++++++++

    Sorry.

  • The_Judge37

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    Gruden went 8-8 2 years with more talent, good luck dreaming of SB’s with this roster
    ——–

    Getting to 8-8 would already double the success of DA

  • guest123

    I don’t believe that Mark Davis is even talking to Gruden. This is a rumor that’s just made up to get the locals fired up. Mark Davis is a puppet of other people’s football opinions. He has no strong opinion on any of the football operations. He’s trusted his organization to make the right calls and has stepped aside and let Reggie run the show. I don’t think he’s got the backbone or the balls to go over Reggie’s head and make a play for Chucky.

    Just my 2 cents.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Its crazy but DA high chance will be gone next year

  • mcfadden20.

    again 90s team was loaded with talent, they under-achieved , as many guys have came out and said that , they were surprised the 90s Raiders didn’t win any superbowls, good luck with this Roster

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    PAPA just texted JON GRUDEN in the commercial break.

    Papa textd him “RAIDER RUMORS RAMPANT you are coming back”

    JON texted him back “YOU and I did do some damage back in the day”

    thats all he wrote LOL. NO joke

  • RaidingTexas

    2romes Says:

    No!!! we can’t move on because the first step to rebuilding is admitting your past mistakes.

    ————————————-

    Jesus fkn christ. When did running an NFL franchise become a twelve step program? They don’t have to admit a gawddam thing.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    more than double DAs success…

  • mcfadden20.

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    Gruden went 8-8 2 years with more talent, good luck dreaming of SB’s with this roster
    ——–

    Getting to 8-8 would already double the success of DA


    With way more talent dude? 90s teams were stacked, DA’s team is freaking guys playing out of position and no depth at all

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    papa said he was joking about the text with a half laugh. u never know

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Paul Gutierrez‏@PGutierrezCSN

    #Raiders OC Greg Knapp says there was a package of plays ready for #TerrellePryor vs #Browns, but the opportunity never presented itself

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  • Dakota

    1543.Al_is_theraiders Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
    why are you guys getting my hopes up? lmao…too much heartbreak with this team….go get gruden!

    ++++++++++

    I already had my heart broken when the Lakers turned their backs on Phil Jackson…..I don’t know if I could take serious Gruden rumors and then they end up not hiring him.

    I have high blood pressure!

  • mcfadden20.

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    more than double DAs success…

    That’s doubtful , but it wouldn’t say much if he just gets 1 more victory than a ROokie coach lol

  • guest123

    Sounds like he’s cryptically equating Raider return rumors to getting high or drunk. Doesn’t sound like this rumor has any legs. Sorry.

  • The_Judge37

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    Gruden went 8-8 2 years with more talent, good luck dreaming of SB’s with this roster
    ——–

    Getting to 8-8 would already double the success of DA


    With way more talent dude? 90s teams were stacked, DA’s team is freaking guys playing out of position and no depth at all

    Hate to keep bringing up u know who, but a less talented coach did last year with an equally untalented Roster. So i pray for the day we can be 8-8 againn

  • mcfadden20.

    I would be excited for a good coach but Gruden seriously wasn’t that good, It’s not like he went to supebowl in his first year, 90s team was always around 8-10 wins except for the 98 season, it was talented only reason we didn’t make things happen was because he kept getting rid of coaches, keep gruden longer than 2 years was Als best choice

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    like i said Mark davis always has JON GRUDENS ear

    btw in the mean time here is Jon gruden back in OAKLAND for the torch lightening

    Vid from the preseason game GREAT FOOTAGE

    http://youtu.be/n5D_12sjLlk

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Here is jon light’n the torch in oakland few weeks ago

    http://youtu.be/THqXZIGFzTA

  • r8eray

    Prior to Sundays game against the Browns Reggie told DA that if he were to lose the game, immediately after the game we will have a black limo waiting for him outside and that will be his last game as a coach in Oakland.

    Gruden is in DC right now, immediately after his Monday Night game he will a black limo waiting outside. He’ll have a direct flight from Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport to Oakland to Coach Thursday’s Night game vs the Broncos.

    I like!

    ;)

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    and if jon gruden wasnt good.. that means DA will never be good

  • The_Judge37

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    I would be excited for a good coach but Gruden seriously wasn’t that good, It’s not like he went to supebowl in his first year, 90s team was always around 8-10 wins except for the 98 season, it was talented only reason we didn’t make things happen was because he kept getting rid of coaches, keep gruden longer than 2 years was Als best choice
    ——–

    Wow, you can defend Dennis Allen while discrediting Jon Gruden? You sir, have talent. I almost respect this post now.

  • mcfadden20.

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    Gruden went 8-8 2 years with more talent, good luck dreaming of SB’s with this roster
    ——–

    Getting to 8-8 would already double the success of DA


    With way more talent dude? 90s teams were stacked, DA’s team is freaking guys playing out of position and no depth at all

    Hate to keep bringing up u know who, but a less talented coach did last year with an equally untalented Roster. So i pray for the day we can be 8-8 againn

    equally weak schedule, just scoring 3-5 less points thats all there it is , new OC would take this Offense back to flying high, we’re good with a D minded coach, just need to give him some shiny toys to work on that side

  • guest123

    nice fairy tale.

  • The_Judge37

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    I would be excited for a good coach but Gruden seriously wasn’t that good, It’s not like he went to supebowl in his first year, 90s team was always around 8-10 wins except for the 98 season, it was talented only reason we didn’t make things happen was because he kept getting rid of coaches, keep gruden longer than 2 years was Als best choice
    ———–

    One more time, just because i cannot get over the AWESOMENESS of this post. It raped my mind

  • zopi

    Bottom line, and I know the Raiders organization couldn’t care less for what’s written or said by fans, however one just never knows, if so, the one thing we fans need to do is to stop making excuses for the team.
    We get enough excuses already from the organization, don’t give the organization a pass. If you go to the game on Thursday let them know you won’t take mediocrity from anyone, make yourselves heard regardless of the outcome. Stop making excuses, get done or get out of Oaktown.

  • mcfadden20.

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    I would be excited for a good coach but Gruden seriously wasn’t that good, It’s not like he went to supebowl in his first year, 90s team was always around 8-10 wins except for the 98 season, it was talented only reason we didn’t make things happen was because he kept getting rid of coaches, keep gruden longer than 2 years was Als best choice
    ——–

    Wow, you can defend Dennis Allen while discrediting Jon Gruden? You sir, have talent. I almost respect this post now.


    I am not defending DA , I’m just saying we need continuity, Gruden hasn’t shown he can lead a rebuilding team to anywhere, 90s teams were stacked, he would just add up veterans again and it would crumble down once those guys retire, just like what happened after 02 year

  • Dan78

    Gruden might bring in Monte Kiffin for DC heard he was looking to get back in the nfl.
    hahahaha

  • The_Judge37

    equally weak schedule, just scoring 3-5 less points thats all there it is , new OC would take this Offense back to flying high, we’re good with a D minded coach, just need to give him some shiny toys to work on that side

    ——-

    Equally weak schedule, unequally WEAK results

  • The_Judge37

    am not defending DA , I’m just saying we need continuity, Gruden hasn’t shown he can lead a rebuilding team to anywhere, 90s teams were stacked, he would just add up veterans again and it would crumble down once those guys retire, just like what happened after 02 year
    ——–

    Wouldn’t gruden help bring better quality players?

  • 2romes

    Would you keep driving the wrong way down a one way street? Or would you admit it is a wrong way street and get off? You may be a bit stubburn so I can see a highway pile up.

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    RaidingTexas Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    Jesus fkn christ. When did running an NFL franchise become a twelve step program? They don’t have to admit a gawddam thing.

  • mcfadden20.

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
    I would be excited for a good coach but Gruden seriously wasn’t that good, It’s not like he went to supebowl in his first year, 90s team was always around 8-10 wins except for the 98 season, it was talented only reason we didn’t make things happen was because he kept getting rid of coaches, keep gruden longer than 2 years was Als best choice
    ———–

    One more time, just because i cannot get over the AWESOMENESS of this post. It raped my mind

    What did gruden did with TB, once TOngy Dungys players retired ? once Sapp, Rice, and that MLB retired, nothing? he was fired

  • Al_is_theraiders

    mctroll20 has that effect…lmao…garbage out of his keyboard

  • DJ Johnny

    1564.guest123 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    Sounds like he’s cryptically equating Raider return rumors to getting high or drunk. Doesn’t sound like this rumor has any legs. Sorry.

    Papa said he was joking about the Gruden text.

    IF Gruden did respond that way then i would say you’re right…it’s just a joke.

  • The_Judge37

    I’m not going to get swept up in the Gruden Rumors. Frankly, i’d just be happy if they fired every coach they have now, and replaced them with ASK Madden

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Why would Gruden come back if he wasn’t going to coach. That Pro Football Weekly article is bunk, unless Reggie was to get fired, which isn’t going to happen.

  • mcfadden20.

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    equally weak schedule, just scoring 3-5 less points thats all there it is , new OC would take this Offense back to flying high, we’re good with a D minded coach, just need to give him some shiny toys to work on that side

    ——-

    Equally weak schedule, unequally WEAK results

    I was talking about last year, stop defending the team that went 1-4 in last 5 games last year, that team sucked, and this team s8cks, it wouldn’t get better until we add better players

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    guest123 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    I don’t believe that Mark Davis is even talking to Gruden. This is a rumor that’s just made up to get the locals fired up. Mark Davis is a puppet of other people’s football opinions. He has no strong opinion on any of the football operations. He’s trusted his organization to make the right calls and has stepped aside and let Reggie run the show. I don’t think he’s got the backbone or the balls to go over Reggie’s head and make a play for Chucky.

    Just my 2 cents.
    ============================================

    Yup. It’s Reggie’s call. And Reg ain’t going for it.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Pro Football Weekly ‏@ProFootballWkly
    #Bills announce that they have released veteran LB Kirk Morrison. Had not played in a game this season.
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    Sign him up Reggie!

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    With Gruden u never know.. BUt papa was serious when he told that story about GRUDEN and AL

    It was obvious on his other point though HUE JAX was coach in 2010. Cable just had the title.

  • The_Judge37

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    equally weak schedule, just scoring 3-5 less points thats all there it is , new OC would take this Offense back to flying high, we’re good with a D minded coach, just need to give him some shiny toys to work on that side

    ——-

    Equally weak schedule, unequally WEAK results

    I was talking about last year, stop defending the team that went 1-4 in last 5 games last year, that team sucked, and this team s8cks, it wouldn’t get better until we add better players

    Stop defending a team thats on a 5 game losing streak.

  • mcfadden20.

    Why you guys get so excited about Gruden, seriously? when he’s the one responsible for downward spiral of not just 1 franchise but 2

  • The_Judge37

    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    Why would Gruden come back if he wasn’t going to coach. That Pro Football Weekly article is bunk, unless Reggie was to get fired, which isn’t going to happen.
    ——-

    Definetly wouldn’t want Gruden as a GM or anykind of Football Consultant. Head Coach or stick to knob slobbing QB’s on MNF

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Pro Football Weekly ‏@ProFootballWkly
    #Bills announce that they have released veteran LB Kirk Morrison. Had not played in a game this season.
    Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More
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    Sign him up Reggie!

    —————-

    While we are talking about AL , he said Kirk was a favorite and would always welcome him back home.

  • mcfadden20.

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    equally weak schedule, just scoring 3-5 less points thats all there it is , new OC would take this Offense back to flying high, we’re good with a D minded coach, just need to give him some shiny toys to work on that side

    ——-

    Equally weak schedule, unequally WEAK results

    I was talking about last year, stop defending the team that went 1-4 in last 5 games last year, that team sucked, and this team s8cks, it wouldn’t get better until we add better players

    Stop defending a team thats on a 5 game losing streak.


    Not defending it at all, the talent s8cks, i would give DA chance with more salary cap and draft picks to work with , it’s just simple as that

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    ok gruden is a rumor. But that is besides the point.

    The real point is

    DA is already in the hot seat.

  • The_Judge37

    Not defending it at all, the talent s8cks, i would give DA chance with more salary cap and draft picks to work with , it’s just simple as that
    ———

    So that lack of talent had nothing to do with them going 1-4 down the stretch last year? Just this year huh?

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Paul Gutierrez ‏@PGutierrezCSN
    #Raiders OC Greg Knapp says there was a package of plays ready for #TerrellePryor vs #Browns, but the opportunity never presented itself
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    Once they fell behind, you know Pryor wasn’t coming in the game. Maybe next week when they are losing 28-0

  • ohioraider

    The value of this franchise is sinking almost by the game. Getting Gruden to come back fills the seats and stops the hemorrhaging. It’s SOMETHING for Davis to hang his hat on, especially if he wants to sell the team. Hell, one more dismal, non competitive loss and he may not even wait until the offseason. Such a move would also establish Mark’s bona fides.

  • mcfadden20.

    Judging a guy after 1 year is kinda stupid , unless we were a superbowl team last year, freaking team wasn’t good last year, had 1 win against good team , couldn’t win games when everything was on the line, SF would have regretted letting B Walsh go after 2-14 season , Cowboys would have regretted their decision if they had let JJ go after 1-15 season, you can’t really tell much about a rookie coach after 1 year, you don’t know what you got in him, but atleast give him chance with better situation in offseason

  • MarcusAllen

    The stars might be aligning…

    Short week, 3 defensive players are concussed, Peyton coming in to provide the beat down.

    Halftime score should be enough that TP gets to play.

    He has ready made excuses only needs to flash once or twice and hope he survives.