Raiders-Browns live chat today at 1 p.m. PDT
By Steve Corkran
Sunday, December 2nd, 2012 at 11:53 am in Oakland Raiders.
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December 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 am
Almost game time. RAIDERS!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 am
yo
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:57 am
Go Raiders!
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:53 am
Its bad enough Raiders passed on Pierre Paul for McClain to begin with.
Al should have just went with how he also does. HEIGHT and SPEED and we’d with a probowl pass rusher right now
instead of a linebacker who cant play linebacker
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I gotta wonder how much of that is on the staff of the Giants.
Either their scouting dept has had the greatest run of draft picks of D-lineman in history or they have some damn good coaches in that building.
Im a firm believer that it falls mostly on the player. 99% of the time. But damn, when you’ve gone as long as the Giants have with picking up one stud DE after another, it’s really hard to not give the staff some credit.
Though, Ive read where players have said it started with Strahan, and he was really good about passing his leadership and habits down to younger players, and they’ve passed it on down as well. If that is the case, its impressive, and VERY rare.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:59 am
The Niners are just finding a way to lose this game.
Rams came to play.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
You see how Jeff Fisher has the Rams playing and competitive in every game…..That’s coaching and that’s what the 49ers saw with Harbaugh a bump or increase in games won immediately because of player production and good game planning.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Thanks for the cred riff, but i still think your ignoring the terrible gameplaning by knapp.. no gap or pwer running untill the season was a wash and da stepped in.. and not using one of our best guys. Reece. A guy who not only knew his position but every aspect of the rb position and most of the te and wr routes… plus the regression… all on the coaches. Dropped balls.. goes on the players yes.. but try tossing it to the guy with the best hands on the team next yr maybe?
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
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December 2nd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Wasnt the dline coach da fired from the giants? We could get sacks under that guy..
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Its safe to say that DA sucks and wil not be here next year. That said, who should we be looking at as HC and staff for next season?
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Thanks Klas, looks like TP time baby
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Marks Hair Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:59 am
Thanks for the cred, but i still think your ignoring the terrible gameplaning by knapp.. no gap or pwer running untill the season was a wash and da stepped in.. and not using one of our best guys. Reece. A guy who not only knew his position but every aspect of the rb position and most of the te and wr routes… plus the regression… all on the coaches. Dropped balls.. goes on the players yes.. but try tossing it to the guy with the best hands on the team next yr maybe?
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Hey, I’ll give it where it is due. And you were the VERY first to call for the fire sale.
Im not ignoring the gameplanning. What Im aware of is that Im not a NFL level coach. Im not qualified to question the gameplanning. Im not watching the film of the opponents. And neither are any of the Knapp haters.
The only thing I review is the tape of our own team. And I look at the score of the game at halftime of the first half of the season. We were in all the games. And the tape showed that our gameplanning was sound. Most games should have had us up big if it wasnt for our MAJOR FVCKUPS by the players.
Reece showed up late to camp. It made a difference. Just like I said it would.
And youre wrong about the power blocking, we never started the season full ZBS. We have ran both all year. Not 50/50 but it didnt matter. The PBS wasnt working early either because our guys werent physicall enough. Nothing more to it than that.
When you cant run, and then your WRs can catch or run the right routes, what is a coach left to do?
Meyers was supposed to be the guy who has the best hands. He’s dropped a TON of passes this year. Including two TDs, one that ended in a INT.
Im not ignoring the coaches. I just cant blame them until we can execute the very simple stuff without screwing it up. Cart behind the horse, ya know?
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Where has Mistic been? Maybe he has been busy preparing for the debut of the Chosen One.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Crabfeet sure can catch
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
FIRE EVERYBODY AFTER WE GET BLOWN OUT AGAIN TODAY
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Marks Hair Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Wasnt the dline coach da fired from the giants? We could get sacks under that guy..
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Yeah he was.
But I wouldnt say we were a sack machine under him were we?
We got a lot of sacks with Marshal as the DC I remember. But that was with a lot of safety blitz’s. We had Nnamdi back their so we could afford to blitz more.
With no shut-down CB, we have to rely on stud DE play the last two seasons, and we dont have the DE’s to pull it off. If your D is relying on “coverage sacks” to get its stats, youre in trouble.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Where has Mistic been? Maybe he has been busy preparing for the debut of the Chosen One.
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He’s already writing his posts. Just getting ready to copy and paste.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Wauffle was a damn good D-ine coach for us, we were tied for 1st one year and always at the top of sacks from the D-line when he was here
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Morilla Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:53 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:50 am
Marks Hair Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:45 am
Riff was a playoff predictor… cant listen to those opinons.. been waay off all yr
Sullys just trolling.. same old stuff here..
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Playoff predictor? Yes
Way off all year? No
There was no way to predict the vast number of ridiculous key stone cop mistakes our players have made.
I thought we were better than this, I was wrong. Im not afraid to concede that.
That said, I havent been off since week 1. I havent been making predictions, just reporting whats going on, and why its happening. And everything Ive said, the coaches and now our GM have reiterated. That means Ive actually been spot on with my “observations”.
If you are itching for some credit, sure, you deserve some. You were the first one to call for the fire sale. A lil early for my taste but in the end, you were right. We shoulda dumped everyone while we could.
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Same here, I was calling for a 10-6 / 9-7 season. After week 3 it started to become more apparent.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
DA is a HACK!
Should have known when he hired Knapp time and Tarver.
Reggie blew it by releasing theprevious coaches without a plan in place….
DMac starting to look more Check Casher than Game Changer at this point…
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
I can’t believe you idiots believed Albert wasn’t me.
I found a map of Chicago so I could talk about local stuff to make it seem like i’m there.
Chicago is a cesspool.
Sactown is where it’s at…ya dig?
Oppan “SULLY” Style.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Wauffle was a damn good D-ine coach for us, we were tied for 1st one year and always at the top of sacks from the D-line when he was here
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Same goes for Wylie. He was my favorite coach last year. I loved hearing that guy talk.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Im a firm believer that it falls mostly on the player. 99% of the time. But damn, when you’ve gone as long as the Giants have with picking up one stud DE after another, it’s really hard to not give the staff some credit.
Though, Ive read where players have said it started with Strahan, and he was really good about passing his leadership and habits down to younger players, and they’ve passed it on down as well. If that is the case, its impressive, and VERY rare.
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Drafting good players helps to support the players you already have. Getting a JPP only assists guys like Strahan and Tuck. Now you cant just scheme for one player because there’s a new player you have to account for.
When you look at the Raiders you see 1 good draft player with 10 other guys that make the 1player’s job harder. Its like being the only 1 at your job doing work. 1 great player = a bad team. 10 decent players = a good team.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Riff
Are you high? Most of those sacks came from the D-line, his first year here all the sterters on the D-line had atleast 5 sacks each, Blitzed alot lol
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Wauffle was a damn good D-ine coach for us, we were tied for 1st one year and always at the top of sacks from the D-line when he was here
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Yep, and Bob Wylie was a good Oline Coach for us last year.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Wauffle was a damn good D-ine coach for us, we were tied for 1st one year and always at the top of sacks from the D-line when he was here
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That year we were tied for 1st, we also had Nnamdi. Those were coverage sacks. Not stud DE play.
The year after we lose Nnamdi we werent nearly as good at getting sacks. See how that works? Crappy CB’s and worse LB play and average DE’s is not a good recipe for success, it doesnt matter who the coach is.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Well I have not had to ask this question for awhile.Anybody got a link to the game today??
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
I found a map of Chicago so I could talk about local stuff to make it seem like i’m there.
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Yes we know Klas/Sulli/Albert
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Alameda Lee Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Well I have not had to ask this question for awhile.Anybody got a link to the game today??
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Firstrow
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Riff
Are you high? Most of those sacks came from the D-line, his first year here all the sterters on the D-line had atleast 5 sacks each, Blitzed alot lol
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We did blitz a lot. Why do you think Marshall got the axe? It wasnt because he couldnt do his job.
You can blitz when you have the #1 CB in the league back there. Of which, at the time, Nnamdi was.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Whiners get a gift again from refs…Back to being the NFL boys
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Crabtree > DHB
I thought Al should have drafted him.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
We should have paid reece fairly.. no need to hold out.. and no need to keep the ball away from him.. he knew his job and the rbs job better than yhey did.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Alameda Lee, try firstrowsports dot eu
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Im done with fkin links this year, I will just watch the RedZone the rest of year and listen to papa
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Wow. Manningham just shook the Rams CB so bad off the line. Sick moves.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
And if we were running the zbs 100 percent of the time early in the year then maybe it was 97 percent of the time..
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
I really wish we could have gotten Chris Long. Plays every play at 11.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Riff
LOL, you know it all don’t ya? lol, no need to respond
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
First game I’m going to see in 3 weeks.
What have I missed?
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
I thought Al should have drafted him.
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I said that before the 2008 college season ended. But then again, I’m a biased Tech fan.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Meyers hands were a preseason myth.. i told ppl he drops all the big ones..
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Marks Hair Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
We should have paid reece fairly.. no need to hold out.. and no need to keep the ball away from him.. he knew his job and the rbs job better than yhey did.
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If Reece had ANY leverage whatsoever, I’d 100% agree with you.
But he had ZERO. He shoulda just got into camp right away. It helped him and the team not one bit to sit out.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
luis murphy with the td…
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Realtruraider Says:
Im done with fkin links this year, I will just watch the RedZone the rest of year and listen to papa
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Watching the Raiders in the red zone can be hazardous to your health.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Marks Hair Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
And if we were running the zbs 100 percent of the time early in the year then maybe it was 97 percent of the time..
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I was keeping count when I was watching the tape closely for the first 4-5 games.
Early on, it was about 80/20
And it was a tough sample size each game because we were not getting many rushing attempts, for the reasons already stated, our passing game was inept so the D just keyed in on our run game.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I wanted an ot first, crabfeet 2nd, and dhb not.. al NEVER took my guys.. dynasty if he took my guys the last 10 yrs.. fùcking dynasty… sad sad picks every yr..
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Riff
LOL, you know it all don’t ya? lol, no need to respond
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If you have no agenda, and you just watch the tape, you dont have to know anything, the film speaks for itself.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Marks Hair Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I wanted an ot first, crabfeet 2nd, and dhb not.. al NEVER took my guys.. dynasty if he took my guys the last 10 yrs.. fùcking dynasty… sad sad picks every yr..
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Who were your picks the last 10 years? 1st rd
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Brandon could never catch the ball. He’s mainly a blocking TE.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
I thought Al should have drafted him.
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I said that before the 2008 college season ended. But then again, I’m a biased Tech fan.
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He was always the more accomplished WR. The guy can catch, imagine that.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
I think it helped reece.. reggie wont try to lowball him again if he likes seeing his matchup nightmare on the field.. big mistake lowballing your studs.. what does that say to players? Lowball romac and branch next time.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
What? Wr’s are supposed to catch?
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
I know I wanted Peterson over Russell, Glen Dorsey over McFadden, Ray Maulauga over DHB, and Jason Pierre Paul over 55.
I think I was pretty much on board with all the other picks.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
You have to know what your watchin first and if you think we ran ZBS only 80% of the time early on in the season than I will take all your BS with a grain of salt
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Relentless Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
What? Wr’s are supposed to catch?
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Yeeeep, who’d a thunk?
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
54
looks like you would be batting .500, which is average for any GM in the 1st round believe it or not
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
He was always the more accomplished WR. The guy can catch, imagine that.
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When Leach was at Tech, they trained WRs by putting them in a big sandbox and firing tennis balls from a pitching machine. It seemed to pay off. I don’t remember any other decade where they turned out at least three NFL WRs(Welker, Crabtree, Amendola).
Maybe the Raiders need to try that.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Id have to go back.. but the highlights were obvious to most.. either ely or big ben.. would have been ben. Megaton.. crabs or the blindside kid.. peterson.. the big name cornerstone ofensive players were obvious.. once you stack a few studs all you need is bulls on the los.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Greg Knapp is a pos. He wasn’t wanted in Seattle or Houston and look at them now. When DA hired Knapp he gave up the season before it started.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
J Hill Says:
I know I wanted Peterson over Russell
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AP turned out to be worth it, but there was understandably a lot of concern over his injuries in college. I strongly advocated taking Calvin in that draft.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
He was always the more accomplished WR. The guy can catch, imagine that.
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When Leach was at Tech, they trained WRs by putting them in a big sandbox and firing tennis balls from a pitching machine. It seemed to pay off. I don’t remember any other decade where they turned out at least three NFL WRs(Welker, Crabtree, Amendola).
Maybe the Raiders need to try that.
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Interesting.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
So Belecheat picked up Aquib Talib???
LOL
55 will be playing somewhere next year too.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Wow sf messing up.. lol
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
The Raiders aren’t horrible in the drops department, well maybe the last couple games put them in the middle of the pack but…….
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Kaps first big mistake, could mean the ball game.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
looks like you would be batting .500, which is average for any GM in the 1st round believe it or not
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LOL
True.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Browns 30
Raiders 17
T!ts says we need to get better
Reggie says he inherited two 8-8 teams & he can’t improve on that. He was forced to gut the offense & sign the Great Biesel.
Mark wonders if he should trust his gut & fire T!ts.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
62. Wowe wowe wowe…. that sounds like coaching.. do we do that?
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
another call for the whiners
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
I guess we are tied with the Pats for 10th in most dropped passes with 25. Chargers are 32nd with only 10, lol that has really helped them out
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Dennis Allen won’t be fired yet, but when he does get fired you will see Rob Ryan as the next head coach before you ever see Jon Gruden.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
McFadden close to returning, well it appears Dennis has picked up one trait from Hue.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
If we lose today I’m gonna beat my wife.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Relentless Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
If we lose today I’m gonna beat my wife.
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Let me finish plowing her first. loser.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Looks like the 49ers found themselves a QB
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
J Hill Says:
I know I wanted Peterson over Russell
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AP turned out to be worth it, but there was understandably a lot of concern over his injuries in college. I strongly advocated taking Calvin in that draft.
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I knew AP would be the ticket.
I was training with a few NFL guys at the time. They all knew that once he reached the NFL, the drugs he’d have access too would make his injury plagues go away.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Cruz and Jimmy Graham lead the league with 9 drops, Myers leads the Raiders with 7 followed by Moore with 6
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Dennis Allen won’t be fired yet, but when he does get fired you will see Rob Ryan as the next head coach before you ever see Jon Gruden.
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He would be better than T!ts
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Someone doesn’t understand sarcasm. Think about it, but don’t hurt yourself.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Raiding Texans
you don’t think Geno Smith is a legit QB prospect worth building the future around?
Accurate as heck, rocket arm, smart decision-making, definitely worth a 1st round pick.
Similar package to Rodgers coming out of Cal.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
Dennis Allen won’t be fired yet, but when he does get fired you will see Rob Ryan as the next head coach
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Dallas fans will gladly pay for his one-way plane ticket to Oakland.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
RaidO Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Looks like the 49ers found themselves a QB
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Alex has been Wally Pipped.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Dennis Allen won’t be fired yet, but when he does get fired you will see Rob Ryan as the next head coach before you ever see Jon Gruden.
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Yep. Gruden will never coach in the NFL again, he will coach in college
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Crabtree, Hakeem Nicks, Maclin, Britt…
and we took the absolute worst one available, without trading down first.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
All time low if we lose. Today.
Al missed on 95% on his 1st round picks. You have to get starters from your 1st rounders.
Al drafted duds, that is why we sux, 10 years of bad drafts = 2012 Raiders!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Percy Harvin too, I think.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Dennis Allen won’t be fired yet, but when he does get fired you will see Rob Ryan as the next head coach before you ever see Jon Gruden.
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Yep. Gruden will never coach in the NFL again, he will coach in college
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I think Gruden may be the next coach of Eagles. Looks like Reid will end up being fired. I would take Reid for the Raiders HC job that should be vacant soon.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Once, just once I want to see a player point to the ground after he scores. Then when asked after the game why he would say ” I’m a Satanist”. Pin drops.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
DHB > All those WRs except maybe Nicks
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
303Raider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
All time low if we lose. Today.
Al missed on 95% on his 1st round picks. You have to get starters from your 1st rounders.
Al drafted duds, that is why we sux, 10 years of bad drafts = 2012 Raiders!!!
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Nobody is arguing his draft record, but Hue took it and produced an effective offense with it. Maybe Reggie should have just concentrated on personnel
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I like Gino Smith too.. But a lot of people around here are down on him…
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Crabtree > DHB
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Alex7 Says:
you don’t think Geno Smith is a legit QB prospect worth building the future around?
Accurate as heck, rocket arm, smart decision-making, definitely worth a 1st round pick.
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He only played against one legitimate defense this season: KSU. And he was absolutely awful in that game.
Funny that all these “draft Geno” comments disappeared during WVU’s five game losing streak. He blows up against the college superpowers Kansas and Iowa State, then all of a sudden those Geno chants come rolling back in again. LMAO
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
I would not be surprised if gruden and kiffin sr. were in philly next yr.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
No, Gruden won’t go to Philly…..well unless they make him the highest paid HC ever but doubt any smart GM would do that
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Marks Hair Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Id have to go back.. but the highlights were obvious to most.. either ely or big ben.. would have been ben. Megaton.. crabs or the blindside kid.. peterson.. the big name cornerstone ofensive players were obvious.. once you stack a few studs all you need is bulls on the los.
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Here’s my picks over the years…
1996 – Ricky Dudley ….. we could have easily gotten Ray Lewis
1997 – Darrel Russel…… I wanted Peter Boulware bad!
1998 – Woodson….. I wanted Moss, and we traded up and almost got him
1999 – Stinchcomb….. I wanted Dre Bly
2000 – SeaBass….. I wanted Chad Pennington
2001 – Derrick Gibson….. we passed on Reggie Wayne, I wanted Drew Brees bad!
2002 – Nap Harris….. we passed on Ed Reed. Ed fvcking Reed!
2003 – Nnamdi and Brayton…..I wanted Anquan Boldin…. we drafted Brayton over Unmenyora. We could have had Umenyora and Nnamdi with our first two picks.
2004 – Gallery……..I wanted Eli, if we couldnt get him, I wanted Fitzgerald. We could have easily had Fitz, Boldin, and Kurt Warner right around this time period. We also drafted Jake Grove instead of Nick Hardwick. SMH. We passed on Jarred Allen and Matt Shaub for Stu Schwiegart. We took Jonnie Morant instead of Michael Turner. This draft was loaded, we were one of the few teams that completely missed the boat.
2005 – Fabian Washington……..I was ok with Fabian at the time. But we passed on Aaron Rogers, and then took Andrew Walter over Justin Tuck
So if youre keeping score, this is what our team could have looked like in 2005
QB – Warner & Shaub, or Brees
RB – Michael Turner
WR – Boldin & Fitz & Moss & Reggie Wayne
C – Hardwick
DE – Umenyiora & Tuck
CB – Nnamdi & Woodson
DT – Sapp
MLB – Ray Lewis
S – Ed Reed
That is a very talented team. But lets keep going…..
2006 – Huff…… I wanted Leinart
2007 – Russel….. I wanted Adrian Peterson. Calvin Johnson was the easy pick. Darrel Revis and Pat Willis were also available. We really messed up bad here.
2008 – DMC….. I wanted Dorsey or Chris Long. This was the best draft pick we’d had since Nnamdi. That’s horrible when you think about it.
2009 – DHB….. I wanted Raji or Orakpo
2010 – Rolando….. I wanted Suh but we werent in a position to get him. Many here wanted JPP, and you were all right.
2011 – Seymore via trade….. I was ok with this trade. We could have gotten Andy Dalton but its not like we passed on any great talent.
2012 – Palmer – I was ok with this trade…. as for our later pick, I wanted a OL. Jury is still out on Bergstrom.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Just about every team could have had a allstar squad if they knew then what they knew now. It just goes to show you what a crap shoot the draft is. Some players pan out, most dont.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
I thought Al should have drafted him.
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I said that before the 2008 college season ended. But then again, I’m a biased Tech fan.
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That catch against Texas was epic. If you weren’t sold on him then, you just never were going to be. Diva attitude did turn people off though.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
There is talk of Reid coming to SD.
I say we give Norv a call for OC
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
We’re gonna draft defense anyway..
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
SF will tie with the Rams for a 2nd time this year..BOOK IT
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
I can’t believe you idiots believed Albert wasn’t me.
I found a map of Chicago so I could talk about local stuff to make it seem like i’m there.
Chicago is a cesspool.
Sactown is where it’s at…ya dig?
Oppan “SULLY” Style.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
ROFLMAO
If only you can dedicate that energy and commitment to something useful.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Russell Wilson continues to prove midgets can grow up to be a pro QB
Amazing job .
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Jeff Fischer is a perfect example of what good coaching and leadership looks like.
DA and Knapp are perfect examples of what crappy coaching looks like.
NO way this team should be this awful, that is mostly on coaching as we all know the players suck……
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
97. Man.. bad memories.. al hurt me soo bad every draft day.. i know its a crap shoot but dam.. it seemed like al was shooting a dungons and dragons set of dice… loved watching him draft rds 4-7 though.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
303Raider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
All time low if we lose. Today.
Al missed on 95% on his 1st round picks. You have to get starters from your 1st rounders.
Al drafted duds, that is why we sux, 10 years of bad drafts = 2012 Raiders!!!
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Al has never been good with 1st rounders. That is why he was so effective prior to free agency. He’d often lose his picks because he’d sign away other teams players and lose his picks as compensation or simply trade em.
Back before the other owners had to pay the players, Al had no problem doing it and that was his greatest asset.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
97. Man those are some bad memories.. I know the draft is a crap shoot but watching Al Davis you would think he was shooting a pair of those Dungeons and Dragons dice…. Watching him draft completely destroyed my stomach lining
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
another gift for the whiners…Jeff Fisher, a million times better HC than T!ts
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Mark Davis is probaly looking at DAVID SHAW stanford coach.
If Im him I’d offer shaw 5 million dollars a year.
its better then paying a shyyyt bird like McClain .
Also better then paying a guy past him prime like Seymour/Palmer top money.
Go get a legit coach Mark
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
303Raider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Jeff Fischer is a perfect example of what good coaching and leadership looks like.
DA and Knapp are perfect examples of what crappy coaching looks like.
NO way this team should be this awful, that is mostly on coaching as we all know the players suck……
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Don’t disagree but there is talent on offense
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Pastor Napoleon@napoleonkaufman
I STILL BELIEVE!!! Lets go RAIDERS! #RaiderForLife #RaiderFamAllDay
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December 2nd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Huh… thought it erased 105.. didnt mean to double up
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
WOuld love David Shaw.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Moose Johnstones SportsCoat would make Craig Sager cringe…
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
303Raider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Jeff Fischer is a perfect example of what good coaching and leadership looks like.
DA and Knapp are perfect examples of what crappy coaching looks like.
NO way this team should be this awful, that is mostly on coaching as we all know the players suck……
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Actually, Colin Cowherd once broke it down one time based on what a good GM told him.
He said all teams in the NFL are basically 8-8 teams.
- 12 wins means you are exceptionally talented and the ball bounced your way a few times
- 10 wins means the ball bounced your way a few times.
- 8 wins means you were pretty much par
- 6 wins means the ball bounced against you a few times
- 4 wins means there is a SERIOUS lack of talent on the team, and just 2-3 bad 1st rd picks can do it to you
By my recap of our draft the last 15+ years. It’s easy to see why we are so bad.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Mark Davis is probaly looking at DAVID SHAW stanford coach.
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I don’t watch alot of Stanford or College ball but I see the it factor in Shaw, he is goin to make a damn good NFL coach someday, I just hope it ain’t the Chiefs or Chargers next year
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Another week looking forward to the offseason.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Yep SHAW is calm and composed. He shows that “pride/ poise”
Plus he has already been on Raiders staff before as well as Harubaugh
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
If this team comes out FLAT AGAIN!
DA should be locked out of his office and escorted straight to the parking lot after the game.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Da probaly looking over his shoulder and sees Mark again..
that dude is like sheeeeet
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Yep coaching
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
DA will be here one more year at the least
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Mark Davis is probaly looking at DAVID SHAW stanford coach.
If Im him I’d offer shaw 5 million dollars a year.
its better then paying a shyyyt bird like McClain .
Also better then paying a guy past him prime like Seymour/Palmer top money.
Go get a legit coach Mark
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If Mark does that, it will mean 7 HC’s in 7 years
Norv
Shell 2.0
Kiffin
Cable
Hue
DA
Shaw
No quality coach in the league will EVER consider coaching for the Raiders again.
This is a chance for Mark to show that he isnt Al. Right or wrong, he absolutely has to stay the course. He’s stuck to DA whether you like it or not.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
well lets good some good players so when DA leaves after next year the cuboard isnt bare for SHAW when he comes
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I loved when Willie Shaw was our DC.
I like David Shaw. I wish we had Gruden back.
But we cant keep changing coaches and letting these players off the hook. We just cant do it.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
not whether i like it or not. No matter what you or I say.. Mark is thinking of gettin rid of DA
he doesnt want to though, I mean he is already having pressers after the game, talking to DA on the plane home.
He is tyring to get something out of DA.. but DA is not making it easy on MARK.. he is making it difficult. Gonna force Mark to do something he doesnt want to do.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I don’t care if we win today. I want an elite college player. Imagine if we had the 2nd pick 2 years ago and drafted Suh. 3-13, 4-12, or 5-11? Who cares? I want a high pick at this point.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
now the broncos get the calls
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I’ve said it for months,
Mark should hire a President of Football ops to come in and be Reggie’s Boss.
This way Reggie can stay, but not have ABSOLUTE power, cause he’s otproven he is a strong decision maker yet…
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Mark didn’t want to get involved but he didn’t want to be the owner of the worst Raiders team in history either…. had to step in.. everyone knows we lack the star talent on d but alot of our problems comes from this lackluster staff..
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
If Mark does that, it will mean 7 HC’s in 7 years
Norv
Shell 2.0
Kiffin
Cable
Hue
DA
Shaw
No quality coach in the league will EVER consider coaching for the Raiders again.
This is a chance for Mark to show that he isnt Al. Right or wrong, he absolutely has to stay the course. He’s stuck to DA whether you like it or not.
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LOL! so we should stick with T!ts no matter what even if he it is wrong by your own admission? Hilarious! By this token, WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE FIRED HUE THEN! Sticking with a chump just for the sake of sticking with a chump is asinine…Especially when you’re trying to get a stadium built.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Blog HC wish list
David Shaw
Andy Reid
Hue Jackson
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Marks Hair Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Mark didn’t want to get involved but he didn’t want to be the owner of the worst Raiders team in history either…. had to step in.. everyone knows we lack the star talent on d but alot of our problems comes from this lackluster staff..
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Holla!
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Suh should be a Raider. He is an athletic freak, nasty, dirty, and plays with passion.
I wanted Suh. I still do!
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I’ve said it for months,
Mark should hire a President of Football ops to come in and be Reggie’s Boss.
This way Reggie can stay, but not have ABSOLUTE power, cause he’s otproven he is a strong decision maker yet…
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Really? He’s proven that already.
He was handed the most dysfucntional org in history and tried to make lemonade out of rotten lemons and the jury is already in.
Yeah right.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Theres only 32 nfl teams.. mark can fire anybody he wants..
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Blog HC wish list
David Shaw
Andy Reid
Hue Jackson
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You have to add Gruden to that list.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
not whether i like it or not. No matter what you or I say.. Mark is thinking of gettin rid of DA
he doesnt want to though, I mean he is already having pressers after the game, talking to DA on the plane home.
He is tyring to get something out of DA.. but DA is not making it easy on MARK.. he is making it difficult. Gonna force Mark to do something he doesnt want to do.
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Yeah, thats what I took away from Pooles article also. he just wants to see some fire some passion from DA and sofar he hasn’t, he made it sound like he had to try it get it out of him or some schit, Mark ain’t feelin this staff and I have a feeling Reggie isn’t either, but they don’t want people to say its the same ‘ol raiders if/when they fire him
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Really? He’s proven that already.
He was handed the most dysfucntional org in history and tried to make lemonade out of rotten lemons and the jury is already in.
Yeah right.
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How is 2 8-8 seasons dysfunctional? Let me guess, hiring Knapp, Hoffman, etc., signing Brisel, not gettting a long snap off 3 times in a game is the sign of a functional organization?
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Raider O Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Suh should be a Raider. He is an athletic freak, nasty, dirty, and plays with passion.
I wanted Suh. I still do!
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He’s also an idiot with VERY little awareness when he plays. Makes many bonehead decisions and doesnt play smart.
Yeah, sounds like a Raider alright.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
134.. agreed… its often worth tanking games for special players at the top of the draft..
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Reggie should have NEVER cleaned ouseon the coaching staff without having a replacement in place…
A little eager to get “His Guys” in place, yet, he didn’t have a Guy in mind…
Horribly BAD decision making right out of the gate from Big Reg.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Really? He’s proven that already.
He was handed the most dysfucntional org in history and tried to make lemonade out of rotten lemons and the jury is already in.
Yeah right.
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How is 2 8-8 seasons dysfunctional? Let me guess, hiring Knapp, Hoffman, etc., signing Brisel, not gettting a long snap off 3 times in a game is the sign of a functional organization?
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Keep trying to defend the 1984-2011 Raiders ways.
It’s indefensible. And nobody within the league agrees with you. We have been a joke for decades.
It has to stop.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Raider Riff Says:
That is why he was so effective prior to free agency.
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You’re not the first person I’ve heard say that free agency began Al’s (and the Raiders’) decline.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
not whether i like it or not. No matter what you or I say.. Mark is thinking of gettin rid of DA
he doesnt want to though, I mean he is already having pressers after the game, talking to DA on the plane home.
He is tyring to get something out of DA.. but DA is not making it easy on MARK.. he is making it difficult. Gonna force Mark to do something he doesnt want to do.
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You are hoping that Mark wants to get rid of DA.
You are hoping that, and then assuming it, and then using it as fact in your argument to suit your agenda.
It’s not a way to win a debate. You look stupid doing it.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
131.. bingo.. if if consistency is the only thing that matters even when the consistency is stupidity, then we shouldn’t have changed anything al had done. especially firing his coaches right??
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Blog HC wish list
David Shaw
Andy Reid
Hue Jackson
Chuckie
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You have to add Gruden to that list.
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Not sure why I started that. I want the DA to stay
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Luck id have tanked for..
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:24 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Raider Riff Says:
That is why he was so effective prior to free agency.
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You’re not the first person I’ve heard say that free agency began Al’s (and the Raiders’) decline.
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That’s because it is true.
He was great in the previous era.
But once the TV money started pouring in and the NFL became a multi billion dollar business, then big time CEO’s got involved and other teams started being run like professional businesses. Al never adapted.
Al was the best at being a unique owner doing it his way.
But that was when he was competing with other owners like him.
When things went corporate, he did a marvelous job of trying to stay relevant, but he couldnt compete with the corporately run teams.
Then free agency made it even worse. His business model for stealing up talent from other teams and paying them a fair shake was done.
He never adapted. He tried, but he didnt.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Blog HC wish list
David Shaw
Andy Reid
Hue Jackson
Chuckie
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You have to add Gruden to that list.
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Not sure why I started that. I want the DA to stay
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I want DA to stay also.
But if youre starting a list of coaches the blog wants, Gruden is usually top of the list for the Nation.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Russell Wilson – looking good
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
I think a few coaches will go this year but probably not da tarver or krap…
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Call it irrational nostalgia.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Alright, Raiders. Enough with the bullsh!t.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
If Mark does that, it will mean 7 HC’s in 7 years
Norv
Shell 2.0
Kiffin
Cable
Hue
DA
Shaw
No quality coach in the league will EVER consider coaching for the Raiders again.
This is a chance for Mark to show that he isnt Al. Right or wrong, he absolutely has to stay the course. He’s stuck to DA whether you like it or not.
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LOL! so we should stick with T!ts no matter what even if he it is wrong by your own admission? Hilarious! By this token, WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE FIRED HUE THEN! Sticking with a chump just for the sake of sticking with a chump is asinine…Especially when you’re trying to get a stadium built.
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We wouldnt have fired Hue if Hue didnt get himself fired.
Ive gone over this many times. Hue put Mark in a impossible position. He had to fire him.
Hue’s fault. If you dont understand that, then its because youve never employed anyone before.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Really? He’s proven that already.
He was handed the most dysfucntional org in history and tried to make lemonade out of rotten lemons and the jury is already in.
Yeah right.
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How is 2 8-8 seasons dysfunctional? Let me guess, hiring Knapp, Hoffman, etc., signing Brisel, not gettting a long snap off 3 times in a game is the sign of a functional organization?
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Keep trying to defend the 1984-2011 Raiders ways.
It’s indefensible. And nobody within the league agrees with you. We have been a joke for decades.
It has to stop
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84 playoffs
85 playoffs
86 8-8
87 5-10
88 8-8
89 8-8
90 AFC title game
91 playoffs
92 7-9
93 playoffs
94 9-7
95 8-8
96 7-9
97 4-12
98 8-8
99 8-8
00 AFC title game
01 playoffs got screwed just as bad as the 72 Olympic team
02 Superbowl
03-09 Disaster
10 8-8
11 8-8
12 Diasaster
So keep kissing T!ts ass all you want.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Link to the game?
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
We wouldnt have fired Hue if Hue didnt get himself fired.
Ive gone over this many times. Hue put Mark in a impossible position. He had to fire him.
Hue’s fault. If you dont understand that, then its because youve never employed anyone before.
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Results speak for themselves…You can’t make the case that T!ts is a better HC than Hue and furthermore you can’t make the case that T!ts is a better coordinator…But since T!ts is a pu$$y you all like him.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Andrew Luck lookin good
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
did anyone just watch Luck? simply incredible for a rookie.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Jano possibly strongest leg ever in NFL, pro bowl kicker and you wont try a 58 fg attempt. does DA ever watch Jano kick
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Offense looking weak as usual.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
mrgreen
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
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