Raiders prepare for Broncos without coach Allen
By Steve Corkran
Monday, December 3rd, 2012 at 2:39 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders head coach Dennis Allen made it to the Dallas area soon after his team’s loss against the Browns so that he can spend time with his ailing father.
Allen is expected to rejoin the Raiders on Wednesday night, in time for their game against the Denver Broncos on Thursday night.
Allen’s absence left offensive coordinator Greg Knapp in charge of running practice Tuesday and Wednesday. Knapp said it will be business as usual, given the Raiders got a jump on game-planning for the Broncos last week.
On Monday, Knapp and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver fielded questions for 12 minutes each, talking about the play of their respective units Sunday and looking forward to the the final four games.
Knapp said he doesn’t foresee any issues keeping his players motivated, even though the Raiders are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
“It’s a challenge,” Knapp said, “but, fortunately, from what I’ve seen, and it happened on that last drive that happened yesterday, guys at this level want to compete and they always want to do their best. As long as they know we’re pulling for them and trying to find every way to help get them to that level of consistency of performance, it doesn’t matter if it’s the first game or the last game, whether we’re in the playoffs or not, the true competitor comes out and they want to perform at a high level at all times.”
The Raiders allowed 475 yards against a 3-8 Browns team that featured a rookie quarterback, rookie running back and several young receivers.
Even so, Tarver said, the Raiders played hard on defense. Now, it’s a matter of getting the players to take proper angles and execute their assignments on a more consistent basis.
“Defensively, we played with passion,” Tarver said. “(That) doesn’t mean we were correct all the time, but the guys were flying around on defense. The guys were flying around on defense but, as with anything, you have to execute the calls as well.”
Things don’t get any easier with the high-flying Broncos coming to town. They are in the midst or a seven-game winning streak, whereas the Raiders have lost the past five games.
Also, the Broncos beat the Raiders 37-6 in the teams’ first meeting this season.
“Well, you’re never really ready for Peyton Manning,” Tarver said. “It’s a matter of getting on the same page and having enough coverage looks to, hopefully, slow down his progression and challenging guys in coverage. That’s what we need to do.”
Cornerback Michael Huff said he and his teammates are playing for pride now. The last thing they want is to get “embarrassed” on national TV, at home, against a hated Broncos team.
“Division rival, national prime-time game,” Huff said, “if you can’t get up for this one, something’s wrong. We’re looking forward to it and getting ready for a big game. … We’ve got to find a way. We’ve got to step up and make plays, leaders, like myself and Tyvon (Branch), we just got to find a way to rise up and make plays.”
– Allen said he expects running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson to play against the Broncos. Both backs missed the past four games with high-ankle sprains.
Knapp said he and Allen have their hands full when it comes time to which backs will be active Thursday night. The decision is complicated by how well Marcel Reece and Jeremy Stewart played during McFadden’s and Goodson’s absence.
“You can’t keep all halfbacks up in a game, typically,” Knapp said. “But if they’re involved on special teams and with all the different injuries we have, they may be involved more. We’ll know more come Wednesday/Thursday if we can use ‘em.”
This makes it possible that second-year back Taiwan Jones won’t be active for the Broncos game. If he is active, he certainly will spend all of his time on special teams — he didn’t touch the ball once Sunday.
Right offensive tackle Khalif Barnes returned to action during the absence of McFadden and Goodson. His return, combined with the maturation of center Stefen Wisniewski, gives Knapp reason to believe that McFadden will be more productive than he was the first eight games, when he averaged only 3.3 yards rushing.
“Seeing Wisniewski’s improvement and getting the experience from when he didn’t get that experience during the spring and during training camp because of the injury, and getting Khalif Barnes back, Darren can reap the benefit of those two guys,” Knapp said.
Goodson said he’s ready to roll.
“I’m going to try to get back Thursday,” Goodson said. “I feel good. I’m ready to run.”
– Knapp said there was a specific package of plays for second-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor on Sunday. However, the right situation never presented itself during the game.
– Knapp has been a lightning rod for criticism this season from fans and media. He hears none of it, reads none of it and just keeps plodding along.
“I’ve been at different places where the criticism does come,” Knapp said. “It’s part of the job. Because we keep our focus on a week-to-week basis, you really have to keep your focus on the next game at hand. So, despite what has been said out there, I wouldn’t even know. I really do focus on, How do we find a way to beat the next team and how do we get our guys involved to have success? So, it really is something that’s a variable, like we tell our players, I don’t control. So, I don’t worry about it.”
Tarver hasn’t received anywhere near as much heat from fans and media, even though the Raiders defense hasn’t played well the past five games, in particular.
He called this a “unique” season, with all that has transpired but without going into specifics.
“The most frustrated time I’ve had personally this year was the last drive (Sunday),” Tarver said. “I was frustrated. It was a mix. We took our turns. We took our turns doing things.”
On that drive, the Browns marched 94 yards for what turned out to be a game-clinching touchdown drive.
“This is a pretty unique season, both on and off the field, I’ll say that,” Tarver said. “It’s been… there’s a bunch of adversity. The true character of a man and a coach and whoever is, no matter what the circumstances, be a pro and handle your business. But I’ve been a part of a lot of different situations both in this league and in coaching but there’s some unique things that have happened this year.”
– Tarver said he won’t contact Allen today out of respect for what Allen is going through with his father.
He said he and Allen “have discussions” throughout the week about the defensive game plan and throughout the game about the play-calling.
“When I took the job with Dennis, it was because of who Dennis Allen is,” Tarver said. “He’s special as a person and a coach. He’s outstanding. We have discussions throughout the week and on game day about everything we do.”
– Rookie linebacker Miles Burris is having a solid season, by most accounts. However, he has struggled more of late than he did early in the season, when he played well enough to supplant third-year player Rolando McClain in the nickel package.
“Miles is going through the ups and downs that a rookie linebacker does,” Tarver said.
Burris missed a few tackles against the Browns. But, overall, he made two tackles for loss and played every snap.
“There’s times in space where he’s thinking too much,” Tarver said. “We actually talked about it after the game. But, overall we’re pleased with where he’s gone.”
Burris has started all 12 games and played every snap the past eight games. Right now is about the time his body is accustomed to getting a break, given college teams are done playing until bowl games at this time of year.
“His rookie year, it’s in that middle where your legs get tired, you’ve played more games than you’ve ever played,” Tarver said. “After Thanksgiving, rookies get in that little slump. You tell them it’s coming, and they go through it. It’s their body clock. They haven’t played football that long straight through. And it happens to a lot of guys their first year in the NFL. But overall we’re definitely pleased with where Miles has gone.”
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December 3rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Surprisingly a lot of the blog morons are missing today.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
it looks like the JOB is really getting to DA.. where HUE EMBRACED the challenges.. DA is quiet and worried.
I wouldnt be suprises if he eventually gives up. I really think DA underestimated this fan base.. and Mark Davis himself.
THINK AINT DONKEY land up in dnever
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Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:58 pm
I think it’s weird that Allen didn’t even tell the players he was leaving for a couple of days.
exactly..Albert.. I just dont think he has a close relationship with his players
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
lol?
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
n players can pickup on a coach who has quit a mile away.
Thats why kelly was telling Rolando to chill and not lose his future employment over this coach. Rolando tried to step up to DA and Da returned the favor. Rolando was telling his coach how all the players quit on him already. Thats why DA wouldnt talk about it
BTW its gonna take DA 2 years to = HUE JACKSONS 1 yr WIN TOTAL.
thats if he is lucky. Might have himself up to 4 wins next year.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:42 pm
GREG PAPA was just on 95.7 the game talking about this rumor.. Said last time GRUDEN came to Rickeys few yrs ago he had called papa and they all went down there.
Papa said GRUDEN openely talked about coming back to the Raiders and Papa was surpised to hear that.. Papa said Gruden described it as “UNFINISHED BUSINESS” also papa says he thinks Gruden would want to be the signal caller.
Papa then said Of course AL was still in charge, this was before the RAiders played the Redskins in that rainstorm.
in 2009 Al told Greg papa that GRUDEN had called him expressing that he wanted to come back. Jon had reached out to Al this was right before Al hired HUE in 2010. Papa said that HUE was really the coach in 2010.. but Cable had the title.
Greg told AL jokenly .. you would never hire JON back.. and AL said “im thinking about it” Im thinking about it”
Again Greg papa is saying this on 95.7 the game. Just letting u know. I really believe MARK DAVIS is gonna make a strong pitch for GRUDEN
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Head Coach Greg Knapp?….FML
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
The over under on Bronco punts is 1.5.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Knapp has been a lightning rod for criticism this season from fans and media. He hears none of it, reads none of it and just keeps plodding along.
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Is he renting or building a house in the land of denial?
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
Thats why kelly was telling Rolando to chill and not lose his future employment over this coach
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Rolando did enough before this to lose his future employment. Jogging around the field doesn’t keep you in the NFL for long.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Never count Oakland out. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. It has to. I’m calling a Oak victory. What did I just say? OK, I’ll go with the Raiders rallying around DA, despite myself saying they have quit on him. I’m turning over a new leaf, sort of. Maybe just this once.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
Thats why kelly was telling Rolando to chill and not lose his future employment over this coach
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Rolando did enough before this to lose his future employment. Jogging around the field doesn’t keep you in the NFL for long.
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There were two roads Rolando could’ve chosen to go down. High or low, Is there any surprise he picked the wrong one?
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
This was Papa’s last point. He said the only person that could come in and refill the stands would be GRUDEN. Said the place would be sold out by thurs if fans knew Gruden would be on the sidelines or in the box.
Mark knows this.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Larry grant for mlb 2013!
Damontre Moore 1st rd 2013!
Jon Gruden 2013!
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Oakland…..where high draft picks go to die.
At what point do college players start sending out signals that they do not want Oakland to draft them? Guess that SF WR already did that a few years ago….
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:52 pm
i like how quickly quack dissapeared…even mcxcuse20 left…
btw, who cares what krapp and tarver have to say…lame duck coaches…
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Greg Papa seems a little insane too me. Bad announcer too.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Greg Jennings 2013! Get’r done Reg!
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:56 pm
gruden plus pryor equal INASTANT UPGRADE
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Greg Papa seems a little insane too me. Bad announcer too.
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Bad announcer…give me a break
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Greg Papa is the man, you’re a lame ninny named after a lame state “Dakota” haha queer. Lol Touch Dooooown Raiderrs!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Dakota Says:
Guess that SF WR already did that a few years ago….
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I don’t think that’s how it went down. I’m pretty sure he was really pissed off that DHB was taken over him. That’s why he held out in SF waiting for #7 overall money.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Oakland…..where high draft picks go to die.
At what point do college players start sending out signals that they do not want Oakland to draft them? Guess that SF WR already did that a few years ago….
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Before, if you didn’t want to go to Oakland, then you took it easy on the 40 yard dash
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Greg Papa seems a little insane too me. Bad announcer too.
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C’mon, Dakota. His ‘Touchdowwwwwwwwwwn Rrrrrrrraiders!’ is revered across The Nation.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
YO YO YO THE BEEEECH DIGGITY REPRESENT MO RAP N HIP HOP
Whut up Blog Dorks, Nerds & Assorted Goobers
The Beeech Diggity had (yet another) off the chain party weekend, met this smokin’ hot babe on the Reggae Party Cruise who grows The Chronic in her bathroom
Got fully high, plowed the ‘beev with the Beeeech Lawg, then watched Dexter
The crazy blond babe is kinda hot, but only in the “I’ll Hump Ya Then Dump Ya” category. Waaaay below the normal Beeech Diggity standard
Shout out to Molly Ringwald, whut whut
But I respect her mad gardening abilities. What a hoe, get it?
TAKES A PLAYA TO ESCALATE HIS GAME
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:56 pm
gruden plus pryor equal INASTANT UPGRADE
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Have to agree.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Prior to draft Crabtree said this in a chat:
bigjayboogie: “You’re going to look good in silver and black. . . . what do you say to those who say you are cocky?”
Crabtree: “I’m not cocky at all, bigjayboogie! People talk, man, but I’m a cool guy. as for playing for the Raiders, no comment.”
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
23.The Big Banana Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Greg Papa seems a little insane too me. Bad announcer too.
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C’mon, Dakota. His ‘Touchdowwwwwwwwwwn Rrrrrrrraiders!’ is revered across The Nation.
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Fine….let him sit in the back of the booth and yell that on the 8 or so occasions it happens per year…..otherwise shut off his mike.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Dakota Says:
Crabtree: “I’m not cocky at all, bigjayboogie! People talk, man, but I’m a cool guy. as for playing for the Raiders, no comment.”
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Ambiguous comment = did not want to be a Raider? C’mon, man. LOL (laughing out loud)
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Surprisingly a lot of the blog morons are missing today.
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Well you’re here, dumb btch…….
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
mic***
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
I AGREE WITH DAKOTA ON THE PAPA THING..HOOPS=VERY GOOD,BASEBALL=OK,FOOTBALL=SUX.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Looks like the evening shift is arriving. Into the abyss we go.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:07 pm
let’s see what pryor looks like out there first, and i sure hope knapp/da get him lots of run
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Think about it…..now that your first contract is limited in the NFL, do you really want to go to a team with a track record of busting out first round picks like the Raiders?
You now have to play for that second contract…..so you need a stable org and good coaching to give yourself the best shot of having a long, prosperous NFL career.
Raiders? I could see some players finally saying, you know what, I will take my chances in Cleveland.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Luckily for you dorks, the Beeeech Diggity spent a little contemplative time by the pool today in a yoga pose, working on a hot new rap song
This one basically sums up all of our feelings about the Raider season, while still managing to give mad props to my hella huge ding dong (12 inches and counting)
Check it, and remember to sway back and forth like you’re on a row boat with your girlfriend
Gettin’ busy with them hizzies makes Beeeech glad
But losing to the Browns makes his nads real sad
Now I gotta rap this angry rap song
But can’t forget to mention my Long Duck Dong (weiner)
HOLLA
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
damontre moore, barkevious mingo, or bjoern werner?
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Dakota Says:
Think about it…..now that your first contract is limited in the NFL, do you really want to go to a team with a track record of busting out first round picks like the Raiders?
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That would make sense if Crabtree was in a draft AFTER the new CBA took place.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
I was at the 24hr fitness gym today, when I sat in the Hot Tub, I recognized an old friend, Charlie Smith. After the family talk, we talked Raiders a little.
He thinks we should have kept Hue, because it takes maybe 3 years to build a new team. and you don’t know if its gonna work.
However he also said the Raiders have had waaay too many coaching changes………..
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:14 pm
37.RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Dakota Says:
Think about it…..now that your first contract is limited in the NFL, do you really want to go to a team with a track record of busting out first round picks like the Raiders?
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That would make sense if Crabtree was in a draft AFTER the new CBA took place.
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I am talking about future draft picks now. Why come to a team that gives you about a 5% chance of developing into a great nfl player as a first round draft pick?
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Damontre Moore DE without any question
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:15 pm
OK. I thought it was a continuation of the Crabtree topic. NM (nevermind)
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:18 pm
I wonder if putting Greg Knapp in charge of practice is Reggie’s way of Threatening the fan base who wants Dennis Allen gone?
If so, I fold to your bluff Reggie and give DA my full and unquestioned support.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:19 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Damontre Moore DE without any question
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you think he’s big enough to play the run in a 4-3?
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Moore might not even come out this year. Jarvis Jones is highley overated. He cant even play the run.
Pass
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
I was at the 24hr fitness gym today, when I sat in the Hot Tub, I recognized an old friend, Charlie Smith. After the family talk, we talked Raiders a little.
He thinks we should have kept Hue, because it takes maybe 3 years to build a new team. and you don’t know if its gonna work.
However he also said the Raiders have had waaay too many coaching changes………..
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I bet the guy who has to clean the hot tub at 24 Hr Fitness is in tears right now
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:21 pm
If Gruden were to return, he wouldnt have to wait a couple years for his Gannon like last time,..his Gannon is already here. Come home Jon.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:21 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
n players can pickup on a coach who has quit a mile away.
Thats why kelly was telling Rolando to chill and not lose his future employment over this coach. Rolando tried to step up to DA and Da returned the favor. Rolando was telling his coach how all the players quit on him already. Thats why DA wouldnt talk about it
BTW its gonna take DA 2 years to = HUE JACKSONS 1 yr WIN TOTAL.
thats if he is lucky. Might have himself up to 4 wins next year.
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You got a source for this inside info?
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:21 pm
If Gruden were to return, he wouldnt have to wait a couple years for his Gannon like last time,..his Gannon is already here. Come home Jon.
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Who’s his Gannon? Matt Leinart?
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:24 pm
You can choose to believe the source or not. Its been reported by various media outlets that the coach had a heated exchange with the coach.
u scroll down raidernewflash twitter if want. His source works on the coaching staff. Some guys have guessed its that guy who always has the footballs in his hands
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Sorry Lester, Im not here to spell things out for people like you.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:25 pm
that rolando had a heated exchange at the coach*
Reggie said Rolando has been unapologetic
and media blog writers got quotes from KELLY saying Rolando is not the scapegoat and how he should chill and not let it effect his future jobs. This was after the exchange and rolando went to his facebook page saying he was done with the team
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
I was at the 24hr fitness gym today, when I sat in the Hot Tub, I recognized an old friend, Charlie Smith. After the family talk, we talked Raiders a little.
He thinks we should have kept Hue, because it takes maybe 3 years to build a new team. and you don’t know if its gonna work.
However he also said the Raiders have had waaay too many coaching changes………..
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K-Rat, thanks for sharing yet another hilarious story from your personal life
Your friend Charlie Smith sounds like a real winner, perhaps he’d like to become a blog regular
If he’s anything like you, it’d be the greatest Christmas gift ever
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:26 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:18 pm
I wonder if putting Greg Knapp in charge of practice is Reggie’s way of Threatening the fan base who wants Dennis Allen gone?
If so, I fold to your bluff Reggie and give DA my full and unquestioned support.
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hahaha epic
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Very well, carry on
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:27 pm
moores a relentless pass rusher i think can add bulk to his frame, but werner you can plug in right now and he’s an every down de and our best pass rusher. mingo looks way too small unless you’re going 3-4 olb
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:56 pm
gruden plus pryor equal INASTANT UPGRADE
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You mean Jerry Porter, part II?
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:29 pm
DA= Lane Kiffin
Palmer = Kerry Collins
Dmoore = Doug Gabriel
Were back!
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:30 pm
FIREREGGIENOW!
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
Your friend Charlie Smith sounds like a real winner, perhaps he’d like to become a blog regular
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Former Raiders running back Charlie Smith?
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
Palmer = Kerry Collins
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You might be on to something. Palmer had to be drunk as hell when he chucked that ball to Sheldon Brown.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:36 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:18 pm
I wonder if putting Greg Knapp in charge of practice is Reggie’s way of Threatening the fan base who wants Dennis Allen gone?
If so, I fold to your bluff Reggie and give DA my full and unquestioned support.
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Lol!
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
Your friend Charlie Smith sounds like a real winner, perhaps he’d like to become a blog regular
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Former Raiders running back Charlie Smith?
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If that’s true, KrappyRat is now guilty of:
1) Chasing Randy Moss around a Safeway parking lot
2) Stalking Bubba Paris at the County Fair
3) Slipping into a hot tub to molest Charlie Smith
If this isn’t enough to get a lifetime blog ban, I don’t know what is
WRECKS N EFFECT
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Knapp says “it will be business as usual”.
in that case a whole lotta firing “for cause” should be looming by the weekend.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:18 pm
I wonder if putting Greg Knapp in charge of practice is Reggie’s way of Threatening the fan base who wants Dennis Allen gone?
If so, I fold to your bluff Reggie and give DA my full and unquestioned support.
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LOL
We´re in a worst position than Rolando´s friend when he had the gun in his head. Keep DA!!.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Here we are…3 and 9, the accumulation of many things:
Bad hiring: Hue Jackson who in turn mortgaged our future with the CP trade
Horrid contracts: (see Stan Routt)
Selfish me-first players: (see McClain, Seymore, McFadden)
Reach players in the Draft: (Terrell Pryor, DHB)
Hiring of Knapp: Destruction of a competent offense to a bumbling one.
The time has come not for fantasizing about what this team is.
The reality is this team is in TRIAGE mode: tend to the life-threatened parts first and foremost…
QB is a total luxury. Not even Peyton Manning Crossed with Jim Plunkett and Joe Montana could win with this offensive line these receivers and RBs–One more year with CP
Pass-Rushing Defensive End is a luxury. When a back like Doug Martin(see Bucs game) and countless others can score on us AT WILL, what good are pass-rushers? There is no need for other teams to pass at all.
The most pressing need for this team is the Middle of each line.
At DT tackle Richard Seymore has totally given up either for lack of will or Injury to body. Kelly has been inconsistent his ENTIRE career. Houston is simply way to small to be an effective DT in this league. The rest are depth even if that.
Defensive Tackle is the bleeding wound of this team.
On Offense the Middle of the Line is also the crux of our problems. Wiz II has had to change positions AND blocking scheme his second year and has looked confused and less powerful than his natural college position–GUARD. Brisiel has been horrendous, RT has been a revolving door, Carlisle has also been inconsistent and is also aging.
The rebuild has to start in the middle and work its way out.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Apparently in college it seems to take a good coach about 3 years to take a team to the championship. You would think it would take a shorter time in the pros, but it seems to be longer.
Site to visit to work off Raider frustrations: http://www.cleverbot.com/
talk to the bot!
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:43 pm
The overhead projector for HC! Overhead projector don’t lie!
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Pass-Rushing Defensive End is a luxury. When a back like Doug Martin(see Bucs game) and countless others can score on us AT WILL, what good are pass-rushers? There is no need for other teams to pass at all.
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trent richardson, michael turner, and ray rice didn’t rush on us at will. how are dmac and seymour selfish players?
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:45 pm
We´re in a worst position than Rolando´s friend when he had the gun in his head. Keep DA!!.
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It’s a well played move by our Foe n’ Fro
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Beeech! Whaddup!? You nut!
Could have used you online yesterday. Humor can ease the pain of losing to the Browns!
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Knapp … It will be business as usual………huh?
Business as usual isn’t exceptable..
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Pass-Rushing Defensive End is a luxury. When a back like Doug Martin(see Bucs game) and countless others can score on us AT WILL, what good are pass-rushers? There is no need for other teams to pass at all.
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Especially if Knapp sticks around, we won’t force many teams into passing situations
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Former Raiders running back Charlie Smith?
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Yep, I grew up with him.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Pass-Rushing Defensive End is a luxury. When a back like Doug Martin(see Bucs game) and countless others can score on us AT WILL, what good are pass-rushers? There is no need for other teams to pass at all.
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trent richardson, michael turner, and ray rice didn’t rush on us at will. how are dmac and seymour selfish players?
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How long has Seymore and Mcfadden been out. Seymore simply will no longer play after not practicing for the whole year.–Collecting a paycheck
McFadden wants to only play an average of 9 games per year; how many games has he missed with an “ankle sprain” 25 million dollars guaranteed and he won’t get on the field.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Scourge I got hella into yoga over the weekend and was doing poses by the pool during the game
When I busted Warrior 2 my pants swim trunks ripped at the crotch and the Beeech Lawg popped out for all the world to witness
Luckily there was a honey nearby drinking a Squirt who ran over to tuck the Big Boy back in
Not without taking a nice lick of the nads first, as a special thank you for the opportunity
PMPP N FULL EFFECT
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
JaKnapp, easily replaceable by anyone recognizing player’s abilities.
JaTarver, easily replaceable by anyone commanding respect.
JaDeer-in-the-headlights Allen, easily replaceable by anyone commanding respect.
JaMcskinnylegs, easily replaceable by any division II RB with derivative desire.
Janokowski, priceless.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Seymour needs to retire…. He’s no longer effective…
Not playing is not being effective…. The guys been on the injury list all year…. His knees must be like Sawdust ……don’t think he was ever worth what Al paid for him( picks)…
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:55 pm
ABP had a hand in Reggiehater’s banishment?
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Former Raiders running back Charlie Smith?
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Yep, I grew up with him.
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I hope you asked Charlie if he’s ever been to Switzerland
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
I saw the press conf today… … I just don’t see Tarver being able to motivate NFL players….. Especially ours… Most of the Defense should be working a Car Wash ..
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
Former Raiders running back Charlie Smith?
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Yep, I grew up with him.
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I’m having a hard time believing this, Kell. I remember when someone posted that link to your realtor page with a pic of you. You look way too young to have grown up with a guy who was playing in the 1960s.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
JaRolando…distance is the best remedy.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
JaKoolKell…oh well…guess we’re stuck with him
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
Former Raiders running back Charlie Smith?
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Yep, I grew up with him.
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I’m having a hard time believing this, Kell. I remember when someone posted that link to your realtor page with a pic of you. You look way too young to have grown up with a guy who was playing in the 1960s.
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In Krappy’s mind, jumping into a hot tub with a former pro qualifies as being lifelong friends
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Reggie is a BUST.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
I’m having a hard time believing this, Kell. I remember when someone posted that link to your realtor page with a pic of you. You look way too young to have grown up with a guy who was playing in the 1960s.
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I’m 60, he’s 67. He was drafted in 68′. I graduated form HS in 70′
But thanks.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
I’m having a hard time believing this, Kell. I remember when someone posted that link to your realtor page with a pic of you. You look way too young to have grown up with a guy who was playing in the 1960s.
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I’m 60, he’s 67. He was drafted in 68′. I graduated form HS in 70′
But thanks.
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So Charlie went on to play in the NFL and you married a chick with a bowl cut
Dang, that’s pretty embarrassing, huh Old Troll?
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Well, Diggs, we missed ya, man. I was hopin’ you’d be out on Patrol here.
There are only so many ways to say (write): “Fire Knapp,” “Fire DA,” and “This team sucks!” And they were all here, in multiples, endless multiples! It became absolutely mind-numbing, Beeech!
At least there wasn’t too much of the “racist” hoo-hah going on, but we could used a few Rhymes at the Thyme!
An additional smackdown or two woulda been appropriate!
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:09 pm
In Krappy’s mind, jumping into a hot tub with a former pro qualifies as being lifelong friends
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Back in the 60’s, 70’s We had a horse club called the El D riders, because everybody drove El Dorados, except me, because I was only a kid. We started buying horses from the Bisio brothers on Crow Canyon Rd, Castro Valley. We leased 300 acres from EBMUD on Redwood RD and boarded them there.
Found out today that Charlies still raising Arabians, has a 8 month foal now.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Wow. No racist insults yet today. what happened? can someone please tell me to go mow someones lawn or to go push a churro cart for old times sake?
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
*could = could’ve
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
beech dawg wants to ask you guys if that new pill that gets is up in 7 minutes really works. beechy still can’t get lil beechy up if you know what i am talking about.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
I will be at the game. Raiders 34 Broncos 21
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Brahs, you wouldn’t believe how great yoga has been for getting my weiner waxed
Now that babes can witness my extreme flexibility by the pool, they’ve been begging for hot Beeech Lawg action
Gotta get a mailing list started so I can keep the babes organized and up to date on my practice schedule
NAMASTE
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:17 pm
beech dawg also wants to know if dikk steroids work. he needs some help there to
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
Wow. No racist insults yet today. what happened? can someone please tell me to go mow someones lawn or to go push a churro cart for old times sake?
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Looks like Cork is bringing the hammer down on those guys.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:09 pm
In Krappy’s mind, jumping into a hot tub with a former pro qualifies as being lifelong friends
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Back in the 60’s, 70’s We had a horse club called the El D riders, because everybody drove El Dorados, except me, because I was only a kid. We started buying horses from the Bisio brothers on Crow Canyon Rd, Castro Valley. We leased 300 acres from EBMUD on Redwood RD and boarded them there.
Found out today that Charlies still raising Arabians, has a 8 month foal now.
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Dang, Old Fool, are you drunk already?
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Dang, Old Fool, are you drunk already?
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Charlies oldest son Kevin, also played for FB for the Raiders in LA.
His youngest son Michael, who played WR at Cal Berkeley, is now a Heart/Lung Transplant surgeon in Arizona……..Wow.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Defensively, we played with passion,” Tarver said. “(That) doesn’t mean we were correct all the time, but the guys were flying around on defense.
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Flying around on defense!! What??
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
To even think about having a Chance Thursday night , Palmer is going to have to have a run game…. That Said…..Peyton Mannings problably stoked to be playing against the Raider Defense..and stoked to be padding his Td totals …. Maybe the Best QB ever against our Defense…… Gawd I hate the donkeys….
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Beeech, among your contemporaries, you’re noted celebrated as an eminent authority on all things Diggity. They all marvel at how well you carry this tremendous burden on your shoulders. How do you do it and still get a good night’s sleep?!
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
*noted celebrated = celebrated
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Raidereggie…. I heard that too…. Almost choked … Traver is way over his head
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:26 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
Dang, Old Fool, are you drunk already?
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Well, even if it’s not true, you have to appreciate his quickness of story development.
It’s not much different than your own imagined demagoguery on this blog.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:26 pm
This next game should be about beating the Broncos but it’s not. I don’t thinks it will be close. The Raiders from this point on should find out who they want to keep next year by playing them against a pretty good team Thrusday and the teams they play in the future. If they go that route they won’t have so many excuses next year because they can address solid not great players starting Thrusday.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
RaiderReggie Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Defensively, we played with passion,” Tarver said. “(That) doesn’t mean we were correct all the time, but the guys were flying around on defense.
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Flying around on defense!! What??
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Yeah, they were flyin’ so fast we didn’t see them! Didn’t you hear the sonic boom?!
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Tarver also said when ask about the poor Tackling….. ” they get taken by suprise and out of position”…..:: isn’t that poor coaching?…
I believe we have subpar Talent being coached by subpar coachs ….
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Yep, they fly allover the place… Just wish they could make a Fk’n tackle ..
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Scourge Says:
Yeah, they were flyin’ so fast we didn’t see them! Didn’t you hear the sonic boom?!
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I saw Bartell flying in Josh Gordon’s jet wash.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:30 pm
not playing pryor isn’t what’s best for the organization=selfish coaching
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Wiz not so subtely SLAMMING DMAC?
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No doubt Stewart runs hard. But some might say he looks more adept at running in the Raiders’ zone-blocking scheme than did Darren McFadden before he suffered a high ankle sprain on Nov. 4.
Stewart, meanwhile, was signed from the Raiders’ practice squad on Nov. 10.
“He seems to make the right cut all the time and he’s the kind of guy that, even if there’s not much there, he kind of finds the little crease,” center Stefen Wisniewski said of Stewart. “And if there’s three yards there, he’ll get those three yards. You can see when he’s running; he makes the right read, he makes the right cut. You can’t ever fault him for that.”
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
if beechy dawg rubs steroids on his dikk for a year he mibght be able to get four inches
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
#65,
“Mortgaged our future”?
We gave up a 1 and a 2. Two players who may or may not have worked out.
In retrospect it was too much…i agree but i think “mortgaging our future” is a stretch.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
conrad0509 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
I will be at the game. Raiders 34 Broncos 21
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you must be young, once upon a time i was more hopeful as well, i like the optimism
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:38 pm
the overhaed projector says -
Firing JaCoaches and JaPlayers for ineptitude, inability and complacency is “for cause”.
ReggieMc’s first go ’round as jefe grande is excusable. One more like this and he is in line for the JaMatt Millen award. with cause.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:38 pm
I sure hope the Raiders don’t get blown out on national TV. It’s rare that I get to see them on TV where I live (PA). While a win would be great, a competitive game is all I’m hoping for.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:39 pm
I will be at the game as you all know,…there will be a banner in front of my row 1 seats,…it will be JONGRUDEN2013
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
That’s a tall order Scourge.
The offense will literally have to score on every possession for that to happen.
Or Manning goes down and we score on all but one possession.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Tuckrulefool Says:
Wiz not so subtely SLAMMING DMAC?
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He’s just now saying what some of us have said all along.
I wish Wiz had said something about why they gave up on the run so quickly though. They were averaging 5 yards per carry between Reece and Stewart.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
beechams gay lover Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
if beechy dawg rubs steroids on his dikk for a year he mibght be able to get four inches
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Four more inches!? For chrisake, it sounds like he has enuff as it is to hear him tell it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
St.K, you’re right, but, like I said, I only get to see them on TV on rare occasions. It’s not like they’re “game of the week” fare (spl?). So I’d like to see them make a sustained effort at least.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Yes. Especially 1st and 10 at the 33 with the team down 3…..RUN THE BALL.
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He’s just now saying what some of us have said all along.
I wish Wiz had said something about why they gave up on the run so quickly though. They were averaging 5 yards per carry between Reece and Stewart.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Playing Pryor should be a Pry-ority to continue donw this road we’re going is pointless I was a huge fan of Palmer and getting him him I thought was one of the biggest moves made by the Raiders in the last 12 years. But it has proven to be a mirage the late game picks are just too much to live with.
Most of you will get extremely mad but IMO Palmer alone could’ve been the difference in a 7-5 record and where we are now. I’m not blaming our record on him by any means I am saying he obviously could not be the difference maker I thought he was. Great QB’s change the entirety of a team with their dynamics and he just isn’t at that level anymore.
This will also make most of you mad, in retrospect if we had just gone with TP6 when JC went down last year we would be somehwere in the hunt this year. I think that is how special TP6 really is I think he is a difference maker so much so had he played the second half yesterday I think we win that game. Weeden is a rookie and he beat us I think if Pryor plays we win………..period
Yes you are right all this is speculation, but at least it is educated speculation. I happen to think very highly of Pryor-ity…………he is and gives us a winning edge…………period
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:48 pm
RaidingTexas,
JaMcFadeFumbleSkinnylegsInjury was a worthless overhype from the college ranks. Drafting o-linemen and d-linemen till you get it right will win NFL games.
a great o-line would allow Carson or Terrelle or Taiwan to flourish.
a great d-line would not give up 357,000 yards rushing/game
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Dam KK
that’s crazy stuff
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:52 pm
One day you will slip into the hot tub and molest the wrong person and you will go to jail,, or worse. Some dam perv might turn the tables on you
How would like that?
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
I tend to just lurk here and not post but I think that the Raiders should do more scouting among the smaller colleges and universities in the country.
Lots of folks here post about getting this beast from School A or this fleet-footed receiver from School B. Yet, I believe there’s some surprising talent that can be found in the lower division schools. I’d also be willing to bet that those players would be smarter than a lot of the “big school” athletes are.
I don’t have the stats, etc. to make an argument (and “ain’t a-gonna” expend the energy. I’m just saying I believe the Raiders should trade down for more picks and also delve deeper in free agency and get some less expensive talent to develop more quickly.
I
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
BlackHolePriest,
Pryor should play. Every offensive snap for every game for the rest of this season.
Carson is not anywhere near the entire problem but screw it, its over and done. Let the kid develop a body of work.
JaLeinart???…laughable
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
I’d Rather see Reese get the Start Thursday….I think he’s played we’ll enough to start ….
Let McFadden play behind Reese or special sets with both them…. Maybe even give Pryor a could snaps with Reese and McFadden in the backfield… That might confuse the Donks a bit
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Trade DMAC for a fourth round pick if you can get it. Stewart can run circles around him and cost a few million less
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Quite honestly by the time Palmer threw that pick I didn’t even care if we won. I had seen enough to know that this team is god awful. The defense is in the order of all-time epic god awful.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Couple snaps*..129
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Saint… Agree
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Bill cut Kirk Morrison…hmmmm
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Scourge
Reggie said the scouting department was the first and most important item of business.
I bet they scout everywhere
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Trade DMAC for a fourth round pick if you can get it. Stewart can run circles around him and cost a few million less
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No
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
makes me wonder if some of our guys we let go this sprig will even catch on with other teams?
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
It’s the worse Raider Defense I’ve ever seen… And I’ve been a Raider fan since 1970…. Born on the Eastbay… Richmond …
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Scourge,
one could take a bunch of lower level college players and conduct better results than the past 5 weeks of Raiderdom. But not with McKnapp, McTarver and McDeer-in-the-headlights Allen.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
why trade dmac…zbs is out the door anyways.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
It’s like a major victory when the Defense makes a stop on 3rd down…… Which is very Rare
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
“It’s the worse Raider Defense I’ve ever seen… And I’ve been a Raider fan since 1970…. Born on the Eastbay… Richmond …”
Raider fan since I was 10 in 1975 born in the South Bay….yes this is the worst defense of our era.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Priest, I’d like to see them play Pryor for a quarter just to see what he can do and, more importantly, to shut everyone up about it, one way or the other. If he does well, that’s great. If he doesn’t, that’s fine too. At least we get to see if he’s worth keeping or what his value might be to another team if he’s not going to be a Raider long-term. I just get so weary of the Pryor discussion of late, as I’m sure you do.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Chuckie is wearing a silver and black tie.
I think the rumor is true
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
The Raiders first 4 possessions were 3 & outs.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:21 pm
If Gruden were to return, he wouldnt have to wait a couple years for his Gannon like last time,..his Gannon is already here. Come home Jon.
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Who’s his Gannon? Matt Leinart?
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I think he was talking about the one who is about to break his record!
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
The ZBS is here to stay and DMAC does not want to run behind this line
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
McFadden’s injury problems may be frustrating but he’s still the most talented player on the team.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:04 pm
How good would jonathan franklin or Montee Ball look in silver & Black
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Plunketthead,
trading DMc for a ham sandwich and a cup of coffee has been on the table for years. A 4th rounder? He is Aaron Curry. a 7th rounder and then another injury.
A 12-pack of ramen noodles and some sake is about right.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:04 pm
r8eray Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:21 pm
If Gruden were to return, he wouldnt have to wait a couple years for his Gannon like last time,..his Gannon is already here. Come home Jon.
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Who’s his Gannon? Matt Leinart?
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I think he was talking about the one who is about to break his record
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Then he was way off
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Yo Ray!!…you up here Thursday?…if so hit the tailgate,..do some Patron with Brien and the rest.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Players that were starters here leave to sit on the bench in Buffalo and then get cut to make room for OL
“They made one to create room for a healthy body on the line. Linebacker Kirk Morrison, who has been inactive for all 12 games this season, was cut. Morrison was beaten out for a starting job in training camp and hasn’t been able to force his way into the starting lineup. The inability to break into the lineup isn’t a good sign about the future prospects of the eight-year vet who started in Oakland and Jacksonville before coming to Buffalo in a reserve role in 2011.”
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
666… You in the San Jose area?… I use to live Down there as well.. In Los Gatos ..
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Players that were starters here leave to sit on the bench in Buffalo and then get cut to make room for OL injuries……This guy was a starter here!
We are thin Everywhere!
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Plunketthead Says:
The ZBS is here to stay and DMAC does not want to run behind this line
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Doesn’t want to? Or can’t?
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
McFadden’s injury problems may be frustrating but he’s still the most talented player on the team.
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Next year he can be the most talented pumpkinhead on another team
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
yeah saratoga
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Reggie said the scouting department was the first and most important item of business.
I bet they scout everywhere
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P-head, I sure hope so. I’d like to see the Raiders develop a niche in which they’re good at finding those uncut “diamonds in the rough” among the less well-known college teams.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
so since dmac has been out, our RBs have been having good/great games running the ZBS. If we play Pryor and he has instant success in this offensive scheme can we agree that Knapp may not be as bad as we think? That maybe we have just been starting the wrong players?
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Hopefully the ZBS isn’t here to stay. Not just for McFadden’s sake, but for Veldheer and Wiznewski
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:10 pm
McFadden seems to lack vision, patience or cutting ability.
Jeremy Stewart seems to do all 3 just fine.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:10 pm
From watching him run this year I would say does not want to. Ricky Williams McFadden wants to collect a check for many years and he has never been operated on.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:12 pm
irjonny Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
so since dmac has been out, our RBs have been having good/great games running the ZBS. If we play Pryor and he has instant success in this offensive scheme can we agree that Knapp may not be as bad as we think? That maybe we have just been starting the wrong players?
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No, we cannot agree
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:12 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
one could take a bunch of lower level college players and conduct better results than the past 5 weeks of Raiderdom. But not with McKnapp, McTarver and McDeer-in-the-headlights Allen.
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Unfortunately, you’re probably right. Especially with this coaching staff.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:12 pm
McFadden may not fit the ZBS, but he’s a hard runner.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:13 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:10 pm
McFadden seems to lack vision, patience or cutting ability.
Jeremy Stewart seems to do all 3 just fine.
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He just can’t make reads, that’s what happens when you ask someone from Arkansa to read.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Sign Capt. KIRK!!!! released from the bills!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
You guys all are aware DMC isnt hurt right?…and wasnt last year either…right? Dudes pure cancer.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
“Hopefully the ZBS isn’t here to stay. Not just for McFadden’s sake, but for Veldheer and Wiznewski”
I know and look at Satele in Indy tearing it up!
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Like to see Some Snaps with Pryor Thursday…. With Reese in the back field…
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
so do we switch coordinators if we see success in the scheme with different players? i’m ok with it, i friggin hate knapp, but im not convinced the blame is all his on offense.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Can’t wait for this season to end.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
“Hopefully the ZBS isn’t here to stay. Not just for McFadden’s sake, but for Veldheer and Wiznewski”
I know and look at Satele in Indy tearing it up!
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Satale was a good center, just injury prone also.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Every back in the NFL is a hard runner,..BFD,…DMC is without question the weakest fraud of a football player since George Plimpton.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
irjonny Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
so do we switch coordinators if we see success in the scheme with different players? i’m ok with it, i friggin hate knapp, but im not convinced the blame is all his on offense.
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Do you really want to see Pryor attempt 54 passes
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
You have to wonder what goes through the mind of the coaching staff, especially the coordinators and the assistants. It must be terrible to think everybody hates your guts, thinks you’re incompetent, and wants you fired. It has to get to them psychologically. I know it’s a business. No doubt. But the assistants aren’t making squat compared to the check-cashers on the field.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Big Banana…. I remember last summer thinking I couldn’t wait for the season to start… Reality sucks….. We’re terrible … Even worse than terrible
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Maybe Bellacheat can do something with DMAC.
Its him or houdini
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
if it means 40+ completions i do lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Jon Grudens returning to save the Raiders. Its going to happen.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:21 pm
irjonny Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
if it means 40+ completions i do lol
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You obviously have never seen him throw before
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
There are so many idiots on here who repeat themselves over and over day after day. I mean u don’t have to read their posts at all. U see their name and u already know what the post says. Don’t they have a life? Anything else to say?
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Wish I could…if anything I’ll be hitting up the SD game!
Take a couple shots for me brother man!! Tell Brien Raider Ray says what up!
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Hey, you California folks….has there ever been a contest to change or update the Raider logo over the years. Not that it needs changing but has anyone ever seen suggestions for slightly different versions of the current logo?
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Scourge Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Hey, you California folks….has there ever been a contest to change or update the Raider logo over the years. Not that it needs changing but has anyone ever seen suggestions for slightly different versions of the current logo?
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No.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Priest says Pryor would be instant upgrade over Palmer. Do any of u realize what a joke that seriously is? Are u saying it just to have something to say?
What do u think pryor’s completion percentage would be? Quarterback rating? How many more picks than Tds? Are u really so stupid to say how “special” u think he is when not only do all the experts doubt it but u have hardly seem him play.
Just idiotic.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Bring back Jon Gruden.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Fingers Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Big Banana…. I remember last summer thinking I couldn’t wait for the season to start… Reality sucks….. We’re terrible … Even worse than terrible
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Yeah, I was the same way.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:29 pm
to hear tarver and nap tell it, you would think this team is 7-5. fire them now, reggie.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:29 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Priest says Pryor would be instant upgrade over Palmer. Do any of u realize what a joke that seriously is? Are u saying it just to have something to say?
What do u think pryor’s completion percentage would be? Quarterback rating? How many more picks than Tds? Are u really so stupid to say how “special” u think he is when not only do all the experts doubt it but u have hardly seem him play.
Just idiotic.
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Pryor threw for 2 touchdowns and ran for 1 more in a quarter and a half.
Can Palmer say that?
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Vic Cotto just put a long post up on the forbidden website, detailing all the reasons why Gruden wouldn’t come back to Oakland, and won’t be in the near future. Worth a read.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
…update the Raider logo….
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No.
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Heh. Succinct. Thanks, KK.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Priest is a mentally ill dude,..did you see his cute way of spelling Pryor-ity?…wow,..I bet when he thought that one up he rushed all the way to the library so he could get on a pc and post it,…all computers were full but he got on because he was screaming,,…’I need to get online now!!!…dont you all know Im head of scouting in the NFL!!!’
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
“Hopefully the ZBS isn’t here to stay. Not just for McFadden’s sake, but for Veldheer and Wiznewski”
I know and look at Satele in Indy tearing it up!
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Satale was a good center, just injury prone also.
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Satele started 45 out of 48 games for us.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Im really thinking the Raiders should trade down to the 10 spot and pick up more draft picks.. especially if they finish top 3.
Im telling you they should go after DION JORDAN.. looks like the next Aldon smith type. Scouts compare him to Aldon
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
tarver said the d looked good cause “we were flying around out there.” how bout the 500 total yds, 94 yd drive, and weeden throwing for 350? but hey, we were flying around… unbelievable.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
There are so many idiots on here who repeat themselves over and over day after day. I mean u don’t have to read their posts at all. U see their name and u already know what the post says. Don’t they have a life? Anything else to say?
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Doc, not a personal attack, but don’t you think you fall into this trap too and with some frequency, given your discussions with Preist, etc. I’m just saying.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
There’s a huge difference between reg season and preseason. Did u even watch him? Did he look like a good passer?
It’s pointless. Just know that there isn’t a single nfl insider that would agree with u.
Why do so many of u suggest trading Palmer, saying we could get a #1 or 2, but fail to realize ur saying that he’s so good he would be worth that? U basically contradict urself without even realizing it.
What do u think Pryor would get? A 7th rounder?
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Vic Cotto just put a long post up on the forbidden website, detailing all the reasons why Gruden wouldn’t come back to Oakland, and won’t be in the near future. Worth a read.
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Thats all fine and dandy but just a waste of Web space.
ONLY MARK DAVIS / JON GRUDEN know this answer
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
..er…Priest.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Scourge–lol. Perhaps. But I have a weakness for making fun of the clowns. But I also talk raiders. And don’t have a particular agenda that I repeat endlessly.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:38 pm
weve already estsblished that DA is out and tgat krappy and tarver are going with him…so no more zbs…if you cant read between the lines…sorry
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Chuckie is wearing a silver and black tie.
I think the rumor is true
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It’s Cowboy colors. He’s goin’ to Dallas.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:40 pm
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/group/14891
second annual bowl game pick em contest
password is aldavis
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Lol. U have established that DA is gone. I wonder if Reggie knows. Delusion everywhere here.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Doc, understood.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Yep… The Defense was flying around……. Like a bunch Of Fk’n gnats around a light bulb …..
Never seen so many whiffs as we’ve seen this year.. These guys can’t tackle
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:42 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
BlackHolePriest,
Pryor should play. Every offensive snap for every game for the rest of this season.
Carson is not anywhere near the entire problem but screw it, its over and done. Let the kid develop a body of work.
JaLeinart???…laughable
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Other teams (Eagles) have the sense to do what needs to be done, lets see if our coaches are looking out for themselves or the future of the org.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:43 pm
not me…all the hints, but more likely all the losses…
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:43 pm
You can change your picks anytime until gametime
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Doc, out of curiosity, what are you a doctor of? I’ve seen you indicate your intelligence quotient here before. Genuinely curious, no other reason.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:43 pm
i said if pryor was SUCCESSFUL haha. it was hypothetical. either way i’m just saying the raiders have been cleaning house year after year and it hasn’t had very good results so i’m more hopeful that some pieces fall together in the coming weeks and we can build on what we have. that’s asking for a lot though but hey
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Scourge–lol. Perhaps. But I have a weakness for making fun of the clowns. But I also talk raiders. And don’t have a particular agenda that I repeat endlessly.
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Greenhorn know it all, and if you disagree, you’re an idiot. Over and over and over and over and over DT’s etc etc
Sounds like Brien. We’ll see if an imposter shows up shortly.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Too me its either Draft Manti Te’o or trade down. Period.
Damontre moore is not coming out
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:38 pm
weve already estsblished that DA is out and tgat krappy and tarver are going with him…so no more zbs…if you cant read between the lines…sorry
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DA’s not going anywhere. Knapp and Tarver may well be gone, however.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:44 pm
a smart guy talking about his iq is like a rich guy shopping at overpriced stores…
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:45 pm
I don’t think Pryors gonna get and starts….but I think he’s gonna get some snaps …
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:45 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Too me its either Draft Manti Te’o or trade down. Period.
Damontre moore is not coming out
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What about Star Lotulelei? A dominating NT can help your defense a LOT.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Jon Grudens returning to save the Raiders. Its going to happen.
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Link?. Source?.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Any starts*
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
DA is already gone…or did you not read the latest? He quit on the team he is in dallas…
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
DA will be here next year. I hope he makes some adjustments in his staff.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:48 pm
“The most frustrated time I’ve had personally this year was the last drive (Sunday),” Tarver said. “I was frustrated. It was a mix. We took our turns. We took our turns doing things.”
On that drive, the Browns marched 94 yards for what turned out to be a game-clinching touchdown drive.
“This is a pretty unique season, both on and off the field, I’ll say that,” Tarver said. “It’s been… there’s a bunch of adversity. The true character of a man and a coach and whoever is, no matter what the circumstances, be a pro and handle your business. But I’ve been a part of a lot of different situations both in this league and in coaching but there’s some unique things that have happened this year.”
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What does this mean??? Is he talking about injuries and having to shuffle players around? Having new players come in every few games?
Or is something with the staff or management?
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:48 pm
I am a die hard Raider fan but I am also a realist. Peyton Manning might put up 60 against this defense Thursday night if Greg Knapp don’t run the ball.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Too me we need to pick up a 2nd round draft pick. Its gonna suck to go without that day. Plenty of guys will be picked up. which is why i say trade down.
one guy Raiders wanted last year but couldnt get was LB Lavonte David . Went early 2nd round..was just named NFC Defensive of player of the month of NOV.
young guys can change the defense. WE need 2 Defensive impact players in the first two rounds.
Pass rusher/ Corner. Pass Rusher/ LB PassRusher/ Saftey.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Al, I’m just curious. I’m not trying to start anything. Just trying to get a better understanding of who’s here. Doc posts a lot so I just thought I’d ask him.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:50 pm
That head ref sure does have a feminine voice
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
DA is already gone…or did you not read the latest? He quit on the team he is in dallas…
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He took a few days off to be with his seriously ill father. That’s not “quitting on the team.” It’s called being HUMAN.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
This is one thing Al believed in was SPEED at the corner spot.
Like one football analyst said yesterday. Bartell was burnt by pure speed. You cant teach that, you cant coach that
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Thank you Duck
Some of these posters are idiots.
Wouldn’t most of us go be with our sick parent?
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:42 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
BlackHolePriest,
Pryor should play. Every offensive snap for every game for the rest of this season.
Carson is not anywhere near the entire problem but screw it, its over and done. Let the kid develop a body of work.
JaLeinart???…laughable
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Other teams (Eagles) have the sense to do what needs to be done, lets see if our coaches are looking out for themselves or the future of the org.
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So, what your are advocating is the Raiders abandon their systems, abandon what they are doing as far as offensive continuity and trying to develop some belief and momentum, so they can take a look at one player, who might not have any future in the league? Wow.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
B’nB.. I saw the press conference as well…..I don’t think Tarver knows what he means….. I know he thinks flying around is how you play defense…. That’s about it….. He’s bit off more that he can chew … IMO
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:53 pm
“The most frustrated time I’ve had personally this year was the last drive (Sunday),” Tarver said. “I was frustrated. It was a mix. We took our turns. We took our turns doing things.”
On that drive, the Browns marched 94 yards for what turned out to be a game-clinching touchdown drive.
“This is a pretty unique season, both on and off the field, I’ll say that,” Tarver said. “It’s been… there’s a bunch of adversity. The true character of a man and a coach and whoever is, no matter what the circumstances, be a pro and handle your business. But I’ve been a part of a lot of different situations both in this league and in coaching but there’s some unique things that have happened this year.”
Clearly a master of the art of communication.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Christopher Hansen@ChrisHansenNFL
I don’t think there would be many complaints in Oakland about Gruden coming back.
Christopher Hansen@ChrisHansenNFL
I believed chance of Gruden coming back was as little as 1%, but thing change fast.
Christopher Hansen@ChrisHansenNFL
This rumor is certainly not going to put the rumors to bed or keep people from asking me about it.
Christopher Hansen@ChrisHansenNFL
PFW is reliable, but this is just a rumor. It was a footnote. Could have legs or could have no legs. It is interesting though.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Scourge Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Priest, I’d like to see them play Pryor for a quarter just to see what he can do and, more importantly, to shut everyone up about it, one way or the other. If he does well, that’s great. If he doesn’t, that’s fine too. At least we get to see if he’s worth keeping or what his value might be to another team if he’s not going to be a Raider long-term. I just get so weary of the Pryor discussion of late, as I’m sure you do.
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It’s about 4 games overdue IMO, which is why we go on about it. It is obvious that the Raider brass have discussed it almost as much. I’d like to know who is holding it up.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Tarver just doesn’t look like I picture a defensive guy…. Looks more like a guy that hands out towels on the locker room
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Scourge–more of a doctor in the way that Dr. Dee, Dr. Pepper, and Dr. Detroit are doctors. Actually a shout out to both hip-hop and the Beatles, two of my favs.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Hey, remember how all of you guys wanted Vick a few years back??
He will be available soon…
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:53 pm
[snip]
Clearly a master of the art of communication.
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Mebbe he should run for office. The sooner the better!
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
This is one thing Al believed in was SPEED at the corner spot.
Like one football analyst said yesterday. Bartell was burnt by pure speed. You cant teach that, you cant coach that
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Tell that to DVD
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:58 pm
What would we want Vick For?…
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Doc, gotcha. Thanks.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Raider duck needs to start investing in some Kleenex because hes going to need or for all that crying hes going to be doing at the end of the season when Da gets the boot because he is good as gone. Lol Ducks in some serious denial.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
This is one thing Al believed in was SPEED at the corner spot.
Like one football analyst said yesterday. Bartell was burnt by pure speed. You cant teach that, you cant coach that
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Tell that to DVD
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it would help if u were good to begin with
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Trust me, I would love to see McFadden play on an NFL team.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Larry grant 2013!
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:42 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
BlackHolePriest,
Pryor should play. Every offensive snap for every game for the rest of this season.
Carson is not anywhere near the entire problem but screw it, its over and done. Let the kid develop a body of work.
JaLeinart???…laughable
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Other teams (Eagles) have the sense to do what needs to be done, lets see if our coaches are looking out for themselves or the future of the org.
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So, what your are advocating is the Raiders abandon their systems, abandon what they are doing as far as offensive continuity and trying to develop some belief and momentum, so they can take a look at one player, who might not have any future in the league? WOW!
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It has finally come to be common knowledge that it has been discussed in the front office and he is suiting up. So it’s not nearly as offbest as you’d like to think. The kid brings a ton of talent to that position whether you haters wnat to admit it or not. Or else they wouldn’t even discuss it let alone do it.
Get with the program son it’s here….if they don’t get him in the game Thurs. as I said there will be a mandate………..period
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:01 pm
I don’t think the raiders are going to play Pryor to satisfy this blog.
They’ve talked about it as much u guys have? Lol. DA said he needed to get used to dressing first. When asked about specific plays and playing time, he said “Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.”
Priest–ur becoming as blindly devoted to one subject as ur pal missdick. Laughable and delusional.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
When I met my wife she didn’t care about football. She picked a team, the Giants, just to have a team to root for when I watched the Raiders. Giants have won 2 super bowls since i’ve known her. marriage in a nutshell.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
So, what your are advocating is the Raiders abandon their systems, abandon what they are doing as far as offensive continuity and trying to develop some belief and momentum, so they can take a look at one player, who might not have any future in the league? Wow.
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I would, and have been advocating that also.
Abandon their system? Why not? If you haven’t developed continuity by week 13 then it’s not happening. Granted, there’s been a lot of injuries (is Jacoby Ford even a Raider anymore?) but they have not looked fluid all year. So what’s so wrong about changing?
Also, why not save Palmer some punishment? They are out of the playoffs. Done. If he has no future they need to find that out. It can’t be determined by just looking at him in practice, and then having him stand around all sunday.
This is possibly the most raw rebuild any team has ever seen. Any and all changes need to be explored, especially when your resources are limited.
I say use these games to evaluate. McKenzie will look to shed a lot of dead weight next year, and we will be active in FA.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:05 pm
That was Dr. Dre, not Dee.
Geez priest. U don’t care how foolish u sound at all? He dressed for a game so the wave is upon us. Lol.
Nobody here, least of all me, hates Pryor. I have as much curiosity about him as anyone. But ur delusion and fixation is fun to make fun of.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Priest I like the “snap” to RG’s throws.
Whose arm does that remind you of?
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Has Juron Criner forgiven Reggie for the 14k signing bonus issue yet? Somebody find out!
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Knapp said he doesn’t listen to the Media or fans………. Maybe he should…
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
“Priest I like the “snap” to RG’s throws.
Whose arm does that remind you of?”
Randall Cunningham
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
TD or no?
I say yeah wasn’t touched and the ball was not secure when he hit the ground
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Cheap a$$ bastirds. Karma haunts them.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Raider duck needs to start investing in some Kleenex because hes going to need or for all that crying hes going to be doing at the end of the season when Da gets the boot because he is good as gone. Lol Ducks in some serious denial.
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And your source for your information is?
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:09 pm
td, ball was coming out
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:10 pm
nope Randall wishes he had a arm like that. RC had a great arm but only a handful of QB’s can do that
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Nice call Jesus
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Whatching any game it seems like the raiders are an arena football league team!!
Sickening. Come on Reg!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:13 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Whatching any game it seems like the raiders are an arena football league team!!
Sickening. Come on Reg!!!
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Didn’t you read what Tarver said? The D was flying around and Knapp said the offense never gave up. We will be fine…
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Coaches are suppose to be motivaters too. The Rams hired Jeff Fisher and they are competing. They were one of the worse teams in the NFL last year. The Raiders don’t have any coaches with fire. The Colts, Rams and Redskins have no more talent than the Raiders but they have coaches that the players believe in. Raider coaches looks like Boy Scouts and a lot of these grown men players don’t respect them.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:15 pm
When someone says they dont pay attention to the writers etc// its exactly the opposite of what they do.
You better believe Knapp reads the papers and media writings. All these guys are egotistical
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:15 pm
RaiderReggie
Coughlin has showed more emotion on the sidelines in the first 5 min tonight then DA has all year.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Who doesn’t wnat that kind of magic on this team. I know Pryor is no RG3 that much is clear. What I am saying is pryor’s bigplay ability is right up there with the best in terms of versatility.
RG3’s throwing motion and accuracy is ridiculous at times I’ve seen that kid make throws no one should make. Pryor will never be in that class but let me tell ya’ some of you are going t be pleasantly surprised how well he throws.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:16 pm
These Raider coaches reminds me of the Josh McDaniels era in Denver. The players did not respect that young coach just like the Raiders young unproven coaches not getting respect.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
It really sucks for the Raiders there is no RG3 or Luck this year.
Raiders missed a true franchise qb by 1 year. horrible
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:01 pm
I don’t think the raiders are going to play Pryor to satisfy this blog.
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WHAT??!! Say it ain’t so!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:18 pm
i mean it really sucks that htere is no RG3 this year for us to draft.. really really sucks.
But then again Reggie would probaly take the top Offensive zone blocking guard
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:18 pm
2-14 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:15 pm
RaiderReggie
Coughlin has showed more emotion on the sidelines in the first 5 min tonight then DA has all year.
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2-14,
You are absolutely right.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
DA seems more like the Tony Dungy type. Bellacheat does not show much emotion either
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
RaiderReggie Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Coaches are suppose to be motivaters too. The Rams hired Jeff Fisher and they are competing. They were one of the worse teams in the NFL last year. The Raiders don’t have any coaches with fire. The Colts, Rams and Redskins have no more talent than the Raiders but they have coaches that the players believe in. Raider coaches looks like Boy Scouts and a lot of these grown men players don’t respect them.
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I truely believe this, this sums it up.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Priest,..heres the truth about Pryor,…Reggie is trying to get a draft pick for him,..if he doesnt play him at all he will get a 4th rounder,..if he gets playing time he gets a 7th rounder,..youre welcome.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
DA seems more like the Tony Dungy type. Bellacheat does not show much emotion either
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The players respected Tony Dungy and Bill Belicheck.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:21 pm
We loss to the freakin’ Brownies at home people, HOME!!!
This coaching staff is past pathetic. The whole lot needs to be fired. Why would anyone need to see more evidence that loss after loss after loss? We loss to the feakin Brownies man. The lowest of the low.
Knapp takin over for DA = pathetic. This wasn’t able to prepare the offense all damn year, wtf you think he can do with a whole damn team?
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
DA seems more like the Tony Dungy type. Bellacheat does not show much emotion either
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Dungys players played for him. Terrible comparasion.
They both forgot more than DA will ever learn. PLEASE
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:21 pm
most successful coaches in the NFL have been fired a few times, been around for about 15 or 20 years, and learn under a Parcells/Walsh/ type. DA should have never been hired, except maybe as a DB coach or something.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Hey look Im all in with Reggie now,..but he needs to just move on from Allen,..rookie mistake by Reggie that we will forgive. Reg was great with me yesterday,…Im getting his jersey too. So there.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:23 pm
DB coach DB= DOUCHEBAG?
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Dennis Allen is like Tony Dungy … only without even 1/10th of Dungy’s credentials … even before Dungy was a head coach.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:24 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:23 pm
DB coach DB= DOUCHEBAG?
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Or that.. he did coach the Saints DB’s when they won the super bowl, though
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Still hard to believe these sports hacks had a free shot at Knapp today and whiffed. All year all that was written about was how the ZBS destroyed the team, DMC,..etc.,..they had a free shot at Knapp today and not one of them even mentioned the ZBS. Amazing.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:25 pm
And for the record: I would not want this staff to lay a pinky on Pryor. They’ve already fuk’d everything else up. Why would you want them laying a finger on that kid? I don’t want to give no false hope Mark Davis or Reggie with this coaching staff if he plays light out
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Good point JONGRUDEN
soft ass media writers. Why don’t Monte Poole ask seems like the type that would?
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Monte Poole is the weakest of the bunch.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Thursday night will be the death of DA and his staff after Manning puts 50 on us. Th
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
So he basically hides behind the keyboard? Like most of his articles I must say.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:29 pm
It has finally come to be common knowledge that it has been discussed in the front office and he is suiting up. So it’s not nearly as offbest as you’d like to think. The kid brings a ton of talent to that position whether you haters wnat to admit it or not. Or else they wouldn’t even discuss it let alone do it.
Get with the program son it’s here….if they don’t get him in the game Thurs. as I said there will be a mandate………..period
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As I have said repeatedly, I WANT to see Pryor out there. I am probably more interested in seeing him than anyone. But the point is the offensive line will have to get used to a new signal caller, the receivers have to develop timing with that new Q, the RB’s have to develop timing, it’s not like you just come in and everything is going to be just dandy. So, essentially you are throwing your team for a loop. So what do you gain by throwing him out there?
The number one priority of this team right now has to still be to win some games and get some momentum and traction for the players that are going to be here going in to next year. If the Raiders drop their next three games, the last game, win, lose or draw would be meaningless even from a momentum point of view. That one would be a good one to give Pryor a start and see what he has.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Look how much better a QB makes the entire team, RG3 and Luck and Wilson have been high top teir impact players for their teams.
I want that for us sooo badd!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:31 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:21 pm
We loss to the freakin’ Brownies at home people, HOME!!!
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Did you watch that game? Name one player on the Raiders other than Palmer and Reece that would start for any other team in the league?
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Pryor isnt playing this year Priest,..you dont like it call Gary,..you are aware you are allowed again?…thanks to me…you never even thanked me either,…ingrate.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:31 pm
After what I saw Sunday, I’d be down to get Mike Leach in here as a coach.
That way he could lock D-Moore in a locker for dropping all those passes against the Browns.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:32 pm
lol I was not comparing DA to Tony as X and O’s coach, just emotion. Tony never showed emotion, maybe DA is like that.
Too many here think you have to show some fire or don’t shake hands or behave in a certain manner or you don’t care which is nonsense
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:34 pm
So who has the arm RG has?
Priest, I asked you because you talk about that type of stuff
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Dennis Allen hired coaches just like him which was a mistake. You got to have some coaches with some nastiness to them. Just like building a team you need some nice players and some nasty mean players.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:32 pm
lol I was not comparing DA to Tony as X and O’s coach, just emotion. Tony never showed emotion, maybe DA is like that.
Too many here think you have to show some fire or don’t shake hands or behave in a certain manner or you don’t care which is nonsense
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I can see the similarities, but wthout Manning Dungy doesn’t win a super bowl. Not a fair comparison in my opinion.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:36 pm
For those of you who still think coaching is the problem; take alook at the Eagles.
I live out this way, They fired the dline coach today after firing the dcoordinator a month ago.
How has that worked out?
Did Andy Reid get stupid?
This is the same thing that has happened in Oakland but for not as long.
The owner got involved and said let’s pay a lot of money to skill guys like Vick and Young and Nnamdi and Cromartie and Maclin.
They ignored their lines and they are getting Pummelled.
Reid used to just draft high picks for the lines and offer new contracts after four years to only the best performers.
They did not win pretty, but they WON!
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:37 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Priest,..heres the truth about Pryor,…Reggie is trying to get a draft pick for him,..if he doesnt play him at all he will get a 4th rounder,..if he gets playing time he gets a 7th rounder,..youre welcome.
Source? Probably right. Knows he can’t move Palmer and Pryor will regress in the current situation. DMAC is untradeable given his contract so Pryor is about the one high value piece Reggie might might bargain with.
Then we can get some more Bergs and Burris type players. You know, those who love the game. Can’t wait!
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Did you all saw that through that Eli Manning droppped in on Victor Cruz? Thats a good quarterback.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
I’ve seen people point to Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson having poor first years and how that means Dennis Allen may be on that same path.
Question: were either of those teams 16-16 for two seasons prior to their flop debuts? No.
Question: Did they both have credentials better than serving as a coordinator for one year for the 20th ranked unit? Of course not. Johnson was coach of a national champion, juggernaut Miami Hurricanes team. Walsh was an innovative offensive mind who worked for years under Paul Brown.
DA came into this job with absolutely no capital. To take a team that was terrible for 7 or 8 years, then showed improvement for two seasons and appeared to be on the ascension, and to come in and send us right back to the bowels of that era we just thought we finally emerged from with a non-competitive 3-9 season? I just don’t see how Mark can expect to sell the fans on bringing this guy back.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Pryor isnt playing this year Priest,..you dont like it call Gary,..you are aware you are allowed again?…thanks to me…you never even thanked me either,…ingrate
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If I thank you, will you leave me alone?
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Denver is favored by 10.5 point in our field…SMH
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:39 pm
When I think of DA, I think of the crap eating grin he had on his face when shaking John Fox’s hand after the first beatdown in Denver. Al would have probably killed DA after than embarassment.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:40 pm
RaiderReggie
Palmer’s throw to Streater on that 64-yard TD was pretty, as well.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:40 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Priest,..heres the truth about Pryor,…Reggie is trying to get a draft pick for him,..if he doesnt play him at all he will get a 4th rounder,..if he gets playing time he gets a 7th rounder,..youre welcome.
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Someone who has his eyes open.
Thank you………
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:41 pm
2-14
Big Al probably wouldn’t have waited that long. Patience wasn’t an Al Davis favorite.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Look brother, I went through multiple channels at KNBR to get you back on,..Pat Connor helped,…a thank you would be nice.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Stop it on Reid.
Talk a out 10 and then? Dude is 14 and none. They got tired of Andy blowing picks and yeah tried to get some guys. They missed. Game over.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
I’ve seen people point to Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson having poor first years and how that means Dennis Allen may be on that same path.
Question: were either of those teams 16-16 for two seasons prior to their flop debuts? No.
Question: Did they both have credentials better than serving as a coordinator for one year for the 20th ranked unit? Of course not. Johnson was coach of a national champion, juggernaut Miami Hurricanes team. Walsh was an innovative offensive mind who worked for years under Paul Brown.
DA came into this job with absolutely no capital. To take a team that was terrible for 7 or 8 years, then showed improvement for two seasons and appeared to be on the ascension, and to come in and send us right back to the bowels of that era we just thought we finally emerged from with a non-competitive 3-9 season? I just don’t see how Mark can expect to sell the fans on bringing this guy back.
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He can’t, and he knows it. I talk to Raider fans all over and man I have never heard such disgust as I hear now. People bring up Art Shell last visit but even that doesn’t nearly draw the ire these fans express now. It’s all-time bad if Mark brings DA and Knapp back he wont sell 30,000seats and that is being conservative.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:43 pm
No way should we trade Pryor!
If he fails as a qb (likely), then he could be our megatron.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Yo Chris, Grudens coming back,..relax.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:45 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:40 pm
RaiderReggie
Palmer’s throw to Streater on that 64-yard TD was pretty, as well.
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Thats true!
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Worst coaches ever, FIRE EVERYBODY MARK and if Reggie gets in the way SEE YA, he hasn’t shown what we all heard about him anyway, like he knows who can play etc… schit man, he got lucky with Wheeler it seems, cause the rest of his moves have ben garbage, those player moves and coaching is why we are makin history here folks.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Could we dare to dream? Gruden comes in elevates Pryor to an elite QB superbowls and Gruden HOF???
Dare to dream, not like the reality of this team is anything to live on.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Nah Reggie is stayin,..but he will move on from Allen,…Marks in Reggies ear telling him the Nation needs Jon back,..Reggie agrees,…Reg and Jon will work great together. Merry Christmas.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:48 pm
thank you.. thank you …thank you……hows that?
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Yo Jesus freak,..I was with both Mark and Reggie on the sidelines yesterday,…the future looks bright.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Jesusraiderjim
Jon Gruden would be one of the few coaches in the league that would outright start Pryor.
Gruden loved Pryor when doing his QB-show on ESPN.
But, one has to wonder if it was lip service or true admiration…
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:49 pm
JohnGruden2013,
During last Tuesdays chat, I asked Steve if he would ask Reggie one simple question during their meeting with Reggie on Friday. The question was “Do you regret firing Hue Jackson?” He answered me. Said “sure, will do.” Come Friday I check out the transcript. That question nor any reporter question referencing Hue was asked at all by any reporter in the room.
These beat reporters are very, very, very soft. Maybe I’m just used to the NY media, but I really don’t think that’s it. In terms of toughness and doing your job right, the reporters make the 2012 Raiders defense look like the Steel Curtain.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Cutler is the only mofo with an arm like that
Thanks for playing
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Ok Priest,…now can we move on to more important things, like lets get Jon back home where he belongs,…call Gary tomorrow, lets get this thing goin. Gruden in 2013,..Gary will think you have regained your senses if you take my advice.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Hire Marty Schottenheimer! You talking about holding players accountable. Marty will get on players he gets respect. San Diego fired the man after going 14-2. Dumb!
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm
We needed Gruden when Al was here. Gruden was the perfect offset to Al’s dated and reclusive ways. He brought some personality and discipline to an organization that lacked both. With McKenzie we will soon have a roster of self disciplined football players who themselves will provide the personality and winning attitude. Al tried to run that kind of system but just had no clue as to how to get such players. Reggie’s in year one. By year 3 we’re going to be de-cleating mother f’rs.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Chris In NY
Could be the beat writers have used the ‘just don’t give a crap anymore’ mentality that many in here say the players are using.
Monte Poole’s latest column basically said nothing to see here.
That might be what every beat writer is applying when it comes to Oakland.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Im trying to tell you all about the Montes, Jerrys, Steves,..Pauls,..those fools arent true sports writers…they come to Alameda to eat the free catered food and ask the nice questions. They would work as subway token takers if they lived in New York.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:53 pm
There is no comparrasion to the body language we see on these two teams tonight and our team. From coaches and players
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Reggie got rid of Hue because he’s basically Gruden II. Forget it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:32 pm
lol I was not comparing DA to Tony as X and O’s coach, just emotion. Tony never showed emotion, maybe DA is like that.
Too many here think you have to show some fire or don’t shake hands or behave in a certain manner or you don’t care which is nonsense
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LOL, if DA was winning like Tony we wouldn’t care about him showing emotion, but when we are losing the way we are and the players aren’t showing emotion (like there leader DA) one wonders if DA had more passion (like some coach we had before) maybe the players would feed off that and perform over there ability instead of below it
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Sully
Stop raining on the parade LOL
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:56 pm
realtruraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:32 pm
lol I was not comparing DA to Tony as X and O’s coach, just emotion. Tony never showed emotion, maybe DA is like that.
Too many here think you have to show some fire or don’t shake hands or behave in a certain manner or you don’t care which is nonsense
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LOL, if DA was winning like Tony we wouldn’t care about him showing emotion, but when we are losing the way we are and the players aren’t showing emotion (like there leader DA) one wonders if DA had more passion (like some coach we had before) maybe the players would feed off that and perform over there ability instead of below it
Exactly that is what I wonder. Get in someones grill for FVCK sake.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Jackass puris,
Good point. I saw Poole’s column. Pretty much the way I’ve felt. He’s probably the only one who’s been accurately depicting this thing this season.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Yeah but he still won’t ask the hard question
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
In 3 years our defense will look like the ‘00 Ravens.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:59 pm
224.Back-n-Black Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:48 pm
“The most frustrated time I’ve had personally this year was the last drive (Sunday),” Tarver said. “I was frustrated. It was a mix. We took our turns. We took our turns doing things.”
On that drive, the Browns marched 94 yards for what turned out to be a game-clinching touchdown drive.
“This is a pretty unique season, both on and off the field, I’ll say that,” Tarver said. “It’s been… there’s a bunch of adversity. The true character of a man and a coach and whoever is, no matter what the circumstances, be a pro and handle your business. But I’ve been a part of a lot of different situations both in this league and in coaching but there’s some unique things that have happened this year.”
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What does this mean??? Is he talking about injuries and having to shuffle players around? Having new players come in every few games?
Or is something with the staff or management?
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My guess is that he’s politely saying that he’s never seen this many incompetent football players on the field at the same time, wearing the same uniform. Not even in college.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Our offense will look like the ‘94 Niners and our defense like the ‘00 Ravens in 3 years. And I mean exactly like them.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Im trying to tell you all about the Montes, Jerrys, Steves,..Pauls,..those fools arent true sports writers…they come to Alameda to eat the free catered food and ask the nice questions. They would work as subway token takers if they lived in New York.
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You are spending too much time around the scribes, I had similar feelings when around them too much. They’re soem freeloading suckas fo-real.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:59 pm
My guess is that he’s politely saying that he’s never seen this many incompetent football players on the field at the same time, wearing the same uniform. Not even in college.
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Yup. We had a thin D already. Then the injuries hit, THEN Kelly and Seymour decided to simultaneously stop caring. Just plain bad all the way around.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
That RG3 is nothing but the truth. You got Rookie quarterbacks doing real well because they have good coaching ; RG3, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, Kapernick, Tannehill and even Brandon Weeden of Cleveland. The Raiders looks confused with a veteran quarterback.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
RaiderReggie,
Schottenheimer? Don’t get me wrong, he probably would help develop the toughness we’ve been missing. But no one has expressed more hatred for the Raiders and disrespect to Al Davis as Schottenheimer over the years.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
DA came into this job with absolutely no capital.
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DA was a pretty main cog in the World Champion New Orleans team a couple of years ago. That beats national champion in collegiate level.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:03 pm
LOL, someone has ben drinkin mamas liquor tonight
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:04 pm
The spread catered friday at that sit down with Reggie was from Chevys. They had to weigh the risk of asking a tough one and being booted before the salmon fajitas were brought in….instead they were asking him how was his brother Raleigh doing. Hey I like Chevys too but come on man.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
RaiderReggie,
Schottenheimer? Don’t get me wrong, he probably would help develop the toughness we’ve been missing. But no one has expressed more hatred for the Raiders and disrespect to Al Davis as Schottenheimer over the years.
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Chris,
You are probably right. Mark not going to let that happen because Marty did not like his dad.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:11 pm
DA didnt do chit last year. they were ranked 20th on Defense.
Skip bayless (iknow) use to cover the raiders .. he basically said DA who? Said TEBOW got DA the job with the raiders. The Broncos were 1-4 before TEBOW took over last year and starting controlling the game with his run / pass. Said DA should thank tebow for getting noticed.
BTW look what palmer did to DA’s defense on one weeks notice after coming to the team lmao.. ya we lost but still.
Denver d aint missing DA this year.. they look better
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:12 pm
ET players just don’t like it when they see onconsistency in the message or get lied to. Or see double standard. They wont respond to coaching when you lose a team it is over. I definitely see a team that is playing more for themselves than for this coaching staff. Believe it or not something happened that caused them to shut out this staff.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:13 pm
btw watching the highlights from teh seahawks/ bears game..
Russell wilson took it to another level in overtime. STill shocked that Defenses still cant defend that READ OPTION play. Tebow tore it up last year with those plays.
Kappernick somewhat this year and Russell shreeded the bears with it
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:11 pm
DA didnt do chit last year. they were ranked 20th on Defense.
Skip bayless (iknow) use to cover the raiders .. he basically said DA who? Said TEBOW got DA the job with the raiders. The Broncos were 1-4 before TEBOW took over last year and starting controlling the game with his run / pass. Said DA should thank tebow for getting noticed.
BTW look what palmer did to DA’s defense on one weeks notice after coming to the team lmao.. ya we lost but still.
Denver d aint missing DA this year.. they look better
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Remember that Bayless has a man-crush on Tebow. It’s inconceivable to him that Tebow is really an incompetent QB who needed DA’s defense to keep it close for his fourth-quarter heroics. No, Bayless believes everything revolves around Tebow of Nazareth…
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
WE have better talent than a lot of teams with much better records because they’re playing as a team. This team is fragmented, every other guy is doing his job and 1 or 2 guys are just thinking about staying healthy until he can get somewhere else.
It’s a bad situation..
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
I know bayless is biased.. but he is somewhat right. Broncos D was decent.. and they were 1-4. Tebow did make the d look better then it was last year.
Hue put points on DA’s “Defense” Tebow shredded the Raiders ..but Tebow put that team on his back and got them to the playoffs.
DA seems like a good guy.. i just dont think he is the RIGHT COACH for this TEAM. My opinion
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:12 pm
ET players just don’t like it when they see onconsistency in the message or get lied to. Or see double standard. They wont respond to coaching when you lose a team it is over. I definitely see a team that is playing more for themselves than for this coaching staff. Believe it or not something happened that caused them to shut out this staff.
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I agree 100%.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
WE have better talent than a lot of teams with much better records because they’re playing as a team.
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You have GOT to be kidding. Did you watch the game yesterday? I asked this question and no one can answer: other than Palmer and Reece, name three more starting Raider players that would be starters on another NFL team?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
btw Romonowski brought up an interesting point last night postgame.
Said he was not in favor in benching moore. He said thats a good way to lose some guys.
Guys think one or two mistakes and they will be yanked from the game. Said players will quit on the coach. Said its a fine line. HMM
no doubt these players look worse under KNAPP’s care. DMAC, MOORE, DHB.
No screens, NO reverses, no creativity
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Go back and look at the film of the Atl game and Steeler game that is a team playing together and then something happened and the BOTTOM fell out..the team simply has since those two easy wins when the adversity hit THEY QUIT!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
btw ROMO and LO NEAL think the DA has somewhat lost the team.
He didnt even tell the team he was leaving for two days. That shows a lack of connection with his players too
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:12 pm
ET players just don’t like it when they see onconsistency in the message or get lied to. Or see double standard. They wont respond to coaching when you lose a team it is over. I definitely see a team that is playing more for themselves than for this coaching staff. Believe it or not something happened that caused them to shut out this staff.
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Greg Knapp happened.
Bring back Gruden.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Charlie Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:36 pm
For those of you who still think coaching is the problem…
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I don’t think coaching is the probem, I KNOW coaching is the problem.
NOT the ONLY problem, but a problem nonetheless.
The most obvious coaching problems stem from GREGG KRAPP.
KRAPP is a terrible OC. Not a mediocre OC – he’s TERRIBLE.
The evidence is clear as day and undeniable.
Even if one was to put aside the question of the ZBS, whether our players ‘fit’ the ZBS, whether KRAPP maximizes player production and puts them in position to succeed (stellar work with TJ and TP, huh ?) – there’s still the HORRIFIC play calling, that simply isn’t compatible with winning.
In the NFL, the difference between winning and losing is often razor thin. Frequently comes down to one play or even one play call.
Krapp consistently makes bad play calls.
Case in point:
Yesterday, the Raids were faced with a 3rd and 9. Krapp calls his typical ’short of the sticks’ pass to Criner running horizontally across the middle of the field about 5 yards deep.
Palmer threw the ball about 3 yards behind Criner. It wasn’t even close to a completion. The timing was so off, it was almost comical. I’m talking PATHETIC.
Posters here started asking ‘who was at fault?’ – should Criner have stopped and ’sat’ in the area where CP threw the ball – or did Palmer simply miss the throw ?
People asking that question are MISSING the point and not seeing the bigger picture.
That play call was DOOMED from the start. If Palmer his Criner running horizontally, NO FIRST DOWN. If Palmer hits a stationary Criner, NO FIRST DOWN.
I’m sure people that watched the game remember the play I’m talking about.
Sorry KRAPP supporters, this isn’t acceptable play calling. Forget about the horrible execution. Even if the play was executed properly – it had almost ZERO chance of getting a first down.
This is just one specfic example of why Krapp has got to go. There have been many others this year.
Inept calls. Inept execution.
LOSING FOOTBALL. LOUSY COACHING.
We’ve got to have better personnel, yes.
But we also need a better OC.
If you can’t see this you’re either blind or just don’t know football.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
btw it was 1st n 10 when Palmer threw that INT..
NO RUN
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
I called it a couple of years ago that Gruden wanted back in. He was bending over backwards to praise Al during a MNF game and you could just tell he was trying to repair that bridge. I pointed it out right on this board.
I could see it happening. I really could? Here’s why:
1) Gruden has always considered himself a Raider, even though he won the Super Bowl and spent more time with the Bucs. Whenever he talks about those teams he talks about the Bucs as if it was some sort of brief epilogue and takes on a very different, nostalgic tone when discussing the Raiders and the Nation. As Marty Schottenheimer might say, “there’s a gleam.”
2) No job involving Gruden would be bigger for the media and shine a brighter spotlight for a longer period of time and present the possibility for an almost mythical result than Gruden back to Oakland. Gruden to Carolina? Meh. Gruden to Philly to replace his friend Andy Reid? Just feels wrong. Gruden to Oakland is the one and only story that counts. I think that’s an important, underrated factor in this case.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Only 4 games left. Might as well let DA coach out the season then FIRE him. DA acts and talks like he will not make any major changes and should be gone.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Seymour, you just don’t get it, if they don’t play well doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t. It just means they aren’t. I’m saying this team has quit(playing together as a team).
If they started playing as a cohesive unit tomorrow they could beat Denver and even win the rest of their games. BUT THEY WONT because it takes a team to do that. This one is way too fragmented. You don’t lose the way we’ve been losing if this isn’t the case…….period
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Not to mention GRUDEN is the ultimate competitive guy. Its like a military figure.
He would cement his legacy by bringing the RAIDERS back to Glory. You cant do that in a Commentary booth.
this guy wants the Glory too. The nfl are better when the raiders are relevant. That shield. Those colors.
btw no bigger joke then KNAPP taking over while coach is gone. He is at the podium.
No beat writer even questions him on how it feels knowing Al canned his azz years ago. Wow if I was mark i’d feel wierd knowing IM fuggging up my Dads business
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Seymour Bush @343,
LOL.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
If Hue were still here, he’d still be trying to run his razzle dazzle BS to the tune of 7 yard losses. The league catches up with that stuff. See “wildcat”
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:29 pm
No im sure hue would be smart enough to adapt.. now run the same thing like knapp did in 2007
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Go back and look at the film of the Atl game and Steeler game that is a team playing together and then something happened and the BOTTOM fell out..the team simply has since those two easy wins when the adversity hit THEY QUIT!!
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Remember the GB and Mia games last year? Or the Pitt and Mia games the year before? Or the 11 loss season before that? You guys seem generally surprised. Hasn’t this team quit for 10 years now? And somehow this is Allens fault?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm
We needed Gruden when Al was here. Gruden was the perfect offset to Al’s dated and reclusive ways. He brought some personality and discipline to an organization that lacked both. With McKenzie we will soon have a roster of self disciplined football players who themselves will provide the personality and winning attitude. Al tried to run that kind of system but just had no clue as to how to get such players. Reggie’s in year one. By year 3 we’re going to be de-cleating mother f’rs.
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ur such a tool. over a year since al died, and ur still trying. if anything, al davis is looking like the genius he always was.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:12 pm
ET players just don’t like it when they see onconsistency in the message or get lied to. Or see double standard. They wont respond to coaching when you lose a team it is over. I definitely see a team that is playing more for themselves than for this coaching staff. Believe it or not something happened that caused them to shut out this staff.
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more unprovable bullsh!t.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:31 pm
If Gruden is going to coach next year i think it would be between Philly and Oakland. Mark needs to start gauging his interest.
Gruden already said no to UT
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Hey fellas. Noticed that “fangraiders” had popped back up as “Tesla.” Told Cork about it and he banned him.. Wanted me to pass it along to everyone here. Also saw that “Reggiehater” got banned based on someone else compaining.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Seymour Bush @343,
LOL.
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Sorry Chris you want Gruden and Hue Jackson. I will take Dennis Allen, Tom Cable, and Reggie McKenzie. Funny thing is the league is on my side. Clown fans are on yours.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm
the difference is the RAiders may have lost the final weeks but they were competing. Go back at the lions game.. they lost it the final seconds, the chargers game they were still competing just could stop anybody.
Raiders were dont 3 weeks ago. Raiders were in it until the last week. Even MARK said it doesnt sit well with him cuz the raiders were 7-4 at one point last year.
SO ya I think Mark is starting to believe its allens fault
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Stevie Brown just made a TD saving tackle on RGIII.
Thanks for that one, Al. Grumble.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
WE have better talent than a lot of teams with much better records because they’re playing as a team. This team is fragmented, every other guy is doing his job and 1 or 2 guys are just thinking about staying healthy until he can get somewhere else.
It’s a bad situation..
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u talking about how much talent is here shows beyond a doubt that nothing u say is credible. u have become a joke.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Raiders were done 3 weeks ago*
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Wait. Were you serious that DA’s DB coaching credentials carry more weight than building a juggernaut, National Championship force on the collegiate level as a head coach.
I thought you were being sarcastic, not delusional.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Go back and look at the film of the Atl game and Steeler game that is a team playing together and then something happened and the BOTTOM fell out..the team simply has since those two easy wins when the adversity hit THEY QUIT!!
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You’re even more sen1le than I thought. Very insulting to say to players that they quit. Unlike you, most men will still have pride in doing their job. Unlike you, most players know their future depends on how they do when things are lost.
You never played sports, so you really wouldn’t know, would you?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Go back and look at the film of the Atl game and Steeler game that is a team playing together and then something happened and the BOTTOM fell out..the team simply has since those two easy wins when the adversity hit THEY QUIT!!
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for fu@k’s sake. point out the obvious. gee genius, we’re on a 5 game losing streak and u think something has gone wrong. preach on brother!
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
I called it a couple of years ago that Gruden wanted back in. He was bending over backwards to praise Al during a MNF game and you could just tell he was trying to repair that bridge. I pointed it out right on this board.
I could see it happening. I really could? Here’s why:
1) Gruden has always considered himself a Raider, even though he won the Super Bowl and spent more time with the Bucs. Whenever he talks about those teams he talks about the Bucs as if it was some sort of brief epilogue and takes on a very different, nostalgic tone when discussing the Raiders and the Nation. As Marty Schottenheimer might say, “there’s a gleam.”
2) No job involving Gruden would be bigger for the media and shine a brighter spotlight for a longer period of time and present the possibility for an almost mythical result than Gruden back to Oakland. Gruden to Carolina? Meh. Gruden to Philly to replace his friend Andy Reid? Just feels wrong. Gruden to Oakland is the one and only story that counts. I think that’s an important, underrated factor in this case.
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Gruden is good for marketing. He will put butts in the seats.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Priest, my imposter is here, FYI. Heads up.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
btw wait till the national media gets ahold of these raiders on thursday night.
LOL they are all gonna be asking wtf has happened? week 3 Deion sanders tweeted wtf is up with OAKLAND??
The raiders are way to talented to be this bad
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DeionSandersVerified@DeionSanders
Oakland Raiders will make u mad if u allow them to. Their to good to be that bad!
https://twitter.com/DeionSanders/status/247427795700035585
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Talent? Where? Seriously, let’s make it easy. What unit would you state is overloaded with talent? Is any unit even in the top half? None that I see. Been watching this team since the Frank Youell days, and this one is one of the worst.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:36 pm
i agree with priest.. and so does Deion sanders
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:37 pm
No deion last year we just had coaches that know how to coach and put the talent we did have in posistions to succeed.
This year KNapp sucks and just tyring to fit his offense for these players who dont know how to run it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:37 pm
348.Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:12 pm
ET players just don’t like it when they see onconsistency in the message or get lied to. Or see double standard. They wont respond to coaching when you lose a team it is over. I definitely see a team that is playing more for themselves than for this coaching staff. Believe it or not something happened that caused them to shut out this staff.
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Well, I keep reading in here from certain folks that the staff has lost the team. The players themselves are saying the exact opposite, which is a bit unusual if that’s indeed the case. Usually if that’s true they are a little evasive when they answer questions or avoid the topic altogether. Rather than that they all seem to be going out of their way to say that they LIKE Allen’s message, that they just need to keep working and that they know it’s tough now but are confident that things will come together in the end.
Corkran has said emphatically that he’s seen times when the Raiders have checked out, and that this team hasn’t.
Everyone has their opinion, I suppose. I just think that this whole thing is being remade, and the players that don’t fit (for whatever reason) will be replaced eventually with players that do. Hence, the very painful transition. I do understand the sentiment that we should try and do something with the players we have now and not worry about a philosophy or scheme change, but they’re going to implement a scheme and style of their own here. There are very successful organizations in the NFL that have their own style and scheme and draft and sign players accordingly, and I think that’s where these guys are going.
And yes, I do know that the Raiders had a style and schemes that defined the franchise in the past. As we also know, there are different people running things now and they have their own way. Wouldn’t be fair to an entirely new regime with their own ideas to do things the same way the last guy did.
The whole thing is changing, which is why it’s not happening as soon as maybe some wish it would. I guess some folks will just have to decide if it’s worth the wait or not.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:37 pm
so i’ve dropped in on this blog for years. even post every now and then. when we fail its the same old stuff with some of you. “fire everyone” being the main offense. i’m not gonna say i know any more about whats best than anyone but com’ on man! we’ve tried everything the last decade EXCEPT CONTINUITY. why don’t we give that a try and let the players we keep next year perform. in my opinion we all blamed the ZBS for McFadden’s failure and then all of a sudden we are running the ball down opponents throats once he gets sidelined. Im ok with changing coordinators if that’s what it takes but please not another HC. If the players don’t respect the coach because he’s young or doesn’t have the resume then shame on them for not understanding their place on this team. There is a lot of talent out there that is waiting for an opportunity to out perform you on the field and take your job.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Wait. Were you serious that DA’s DB coaching credentials carry more weight than building a juggernaut, National Championship force on the collegiate level as a head coach.
I thought you were being sarcastic, not delusional.
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You can’t compare college to world championship level. Sorry. Why don’t you bring up Bob Ladequer and tell us all about what a great high school program he runs at De La Salle and how great that would translate to the pros?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Seymour,
Dennis Allen + Tom Cable + Chubby Checker
over
Gruden and Hue Jack City
You’re entitled to ur opinion and I’m seriously not trying to be a prick, but I have to believe you’re either trolling me or just some kind of extreme, in curable contrarian. Nobody thinks that first group is superior. Nobody.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
WE have better talent than a lot of teams with much better records
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i cahllenge u priest—name all the talent on this team. see if we can stop from laughing.
cmon coward. or will u ignore this post?
should i repost our convo about wiz when u stated his weakness was not lack of strength but he was thinking too much and was late getting a good punch, then i posted predraft analysis talking about how his intellect and quick initial punch were his strengths and his lack of power was his problem, validating everything i had said, and blowing u away?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:13 pm
btw watching the highlights from teh seahawks/ bears game..
Russell wilson took it to another level in overtime. STill shocked that Defenses still cant defend that READ OPTION play. Tebow tore it up last year with those plays.
Kappernick somewhat this year and Russell shreeded the bears with it
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I’ve been saying all year that the Bears will be exposed when they fail to force turnovers.
Teams are being extra careful with their ball handling against them now. Without the forced turnovers the Bears are an aging and vulnerable defense.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Cork’s said it, Jerry’s said and now I believe Greg Papa’s said it.
The one thing the Raiders could inarguably do to put asses back in seats instantly is rehire Jon Gruden.
I don’t know if it’d be a wise football decision or not. But from a business prospective, there’s nothing else Mark Davis could do to generate more money and buzz.
Very interesting offseason coming up.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Talent? Where? Seriously, let’s make it easy. What unit would you state is overloaded with talent? Is any unit even in the top half? None that I see. Been watching this team since the Frank Youell days, and this one is one of the worst.
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I knew you’d show up before long.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
KK I noticed no worries!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
The biggest mistake in recent franchise history wasn’t firing Hue or hiring Allen.
It was firing Tom Cable. He genuinely had the team headed the right way and managed to work with Al without being a complete azz kisser.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Tirico is clearly rooting for RG3 and the Redskins tonight. Unprofessional. Wonder why?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:36 pm
i agree with priest.. and so does Deion sanders
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yes, as we know deion is known for his great football knowledge.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Yep..I agree. Man i wish the Raiders had a young qb who could scramble and extend plays / drives.
Wish we had an OC worth a dayummm HC doesnt matter to me.
OC DOES
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Yes, yes, I know. I haven’t posted in hours. And within a minute of this imposter posting, using my name, I stupidly jumped on to reply. I know it looks like I just sitting here, with nothing in my life except to read this board, and immediately jumped in to say that it’s an imposter.
I do have a life. Really. Just looks like I’m sitting here, like a loser.
But I’m not a loser.
I have a wife who provides for me, and that says something, right?
She might make dogs howl when they see her, but that’s ok. I mean, have you seen me?
I rest my case.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
385.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:36 pm
i agree with priest.. and so does Deion sanders
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I would be willing to bet an entire month’s paycheck that Deion Sanders has not watched a single Oakland Raiders football game all year that he hasn’t been present at for NFL Network.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
DEION is a 8x pro bowler and HOF player. I would say he knows plenty on the players around the league
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Tirico is clearly rooting for RG3 and the Redskins tonight. Unprofessional. Wonder why?
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mike tirico is missdick? it all makes sense now!
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
The Nation is abuzz with Gruden talk I see. I approve of such a move, as long as Reggie continues to scout and manage personnel, which he will.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
I know the truth hurts when you see it out there.
Fact is this team had talent enough to beat the steelers.. to compete with ATL .. all of a sudden we dont have talent anymore.
I guess thats what happens when you lose 5 straight and looking for copouts. THE PASSES being handed out. I get it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Yes, yes, I know. I haven’t posted in hours. And within a minute of this imposter posting, using my name, I stupidly jumped on to reply. I know it looks like I just sitting here, with nothing in my life except to read this board, and immediately jumped in to say that it’s an imposter.
I do have a life. Really. Just looks like I’m sitting here, like a loser.
But I’m not a loser.
I have a wife who provides for me, and that says something, right?
She might make dogs howl when they see her, but that’s ok. I mean, have you seen me?
I rest my case.
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When you post under your name, your posts get no attention, right?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
DEION is a 8x pro bowler and HOF player. I would say he knows plenty on the players around the league
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sanders knows how to talk and entertain. he knows corner technique and how to steal bases.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Nobody thinks that first group is superior. Nobody.
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No one? The NFL does! Gruden is not in the league, is not going to be in the league, it took Jackson months and months to get a job in the league, and then he got demoted. Allen has World Championship credentials, and has been successful every where he has gone. So does McKenzie. Cable got hired one week after he was let go here. And he has retained that gig for three years.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Yes, yes, I know. I haven’t posted in hours. And within a minute of this imposter posting, using my name, I stupidly jumped on to reply. I know it looks like I just sitting here, with nothing in my life except to read this board, and immediately jumped in to say that it’s an imposter.
I do have a life. Really. Just looks like I’m sitting here, like a loser.
But I’m not a loser.
I have a wife who provides for me, and that says something, right?
She might make dogs howl when they see her, but that’s ok. I mean, have you seen me?
I rest my case.
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could u make it more obvious ur an imposter? for crying out loud.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
of course, i challenge priest and he hides.
coward.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I’m late to the party. What’s all this Gruden talk about? Fact / Fiction / Cruel joke ?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
If palmer never throws that INT like he always does against ATL and they win.. that would have been the biggest win of a team to to that point. Knocking off the undefeated Falcons.
Like Mark said they regressed over the weeks.. only one way to put it.. players quiting not giving a daayum.
The Rolando mouthing of to DA saying now player here respects u is worse. Thats why da didnt talk about it.
Thats why DA didnt even bother to tell the team he was leaving for two days. How do you think the players took that???
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Good news. I just got 5 new listings today, so it’s a special day.
Check it out yourself. http://kaneandassociatesrealtors.com
Now I admit the one listing there, was a walkin. But the other 5 I got today, on my own.
I feel like I’m Little Nemo, out in the big blue, on my own.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Wonder why?
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Why do you think Tirico is rooting for RG3?
And why do you care?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:45 pm
There is alot more shyyt going on with this team then media is reporting or they just dont know.
As much drama as when Al was here.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Robbie_doc You sure got your draws in a bunch……….lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
When it comes to drafting good DB prospects or CB’s, it’s not about drafting the CB with the fastest straight line speed, that is for damn sure.
It’s about drafting the CB’s who have the best hips who are fluid and get in and out of breaks smoothly during transition.
Drafting tall and strong CB’s that are 6′0 or taller who have fluid hip and transition movement who have good ball skills is key also.
The bad picks Al Davis made on straight line speed CB’s should have taught everyone that lesson.
Nnamdi was the exception.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Morilla Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I’m late to the party. What’s all this Gruden talk about? Fact / Fiction / Cruel joke ?
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Fiction and rumor for now, but some interesting tidbits and posts on the topic today.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Why wouldnt the HC of a football team , not even tell his players he would be gone for two days? Just got into the limo after the post game presser?
that shows a lack of connection imo
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
If palmer never throws that INT like he always does against ATL and they win..
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So why are you all over DA instead of the players who keep phugging off games?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Cable was like 9-19 before Hue’s arrival. His contract was up. And the team had to cover for him breaking Randy Hanson’s jaw. As Papa said today, Hue was basically the real coach of that team in 2010. Offense leapt for No. 31 under Cable to top 5 with Hue running the offense with Grads and Soup shuffling back and forth at QB. Really remarkable.
With all that said, I ‘d take Cable over DA.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm
always has to be the hips.
I want a running back that has the hips for the cut back and the wiggles. Like that stanford running back stefan taylor.
I want my safties to have the fluid hips to ball hawks and go side to side
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm
415.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:45 pm
There is alot more shyyt going on with this team then media is reporting or they just dont know.
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And you do?
Please tell us what you know that others don’t, and how it is you know these things.
The operative word here is “know”. Not “think”.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Yes, yes, I know. I haven’t posted in hours. And within a minute of this imposter posting, using my name, I stupidly jumped on to reply. I know it looks like I just sitting here, with nothing in my life except to read this board, and immediately jumped in to say that it’s an imposter.
I do have a life. Really. Just looks like I’m sitting here, like a loser.
But I’m not a loser.
I have a wife who provides for me, and that says something, right?
She might make dogs howl when they see her, but that’s ok. I mean, have you seen me?
I rest my case.
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When you post under your name, your posts get no attention, right?___
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Good golly, Miss Molly. Now I’m talking to myself. My doctor told me that this is to be expected, at my age. Not sure what that means.
Hey, has everyone seen the pic of my wife, when the Swahili women are laughing at her?
I’m sure it’s around here, somewhere.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
TSR,
I saw your list of who to blame.
Thanks for the help, lol.
So what is Mark going to do to fix this mess?
Gruden?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
One of these Robbie_doc I’ll put you on the couch you and your stuffed bear and we’ll see just what’s botherin’ ya’.Until then hang in there………lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
If palmer never throws that INT like he always does against ATL and they win..
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So why are you all over DA instead of the players who keep phugging off games?
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Im over this whole dayumm team man cuz it just has a wierd vibe. This is not raider football. These are not raider coaches. Its like a bunch of foreign ppl taking over not knowing about the tradition of Raider football. Its like i dont even know who this team is anymore.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Good news. I just got 5 new listings today, so it’s a special day.
Check it out yourself. http://kaneandassociatesrealtors.com
Now I admit the one listing there, was a walkin. But the other 5 I got today, on my own.
I feel like I’m Little Nemo, out in the big blue, on my own.
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What do you do for a living troll? Surely you don’t make much following me around, do you?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Washington is doing exactly what mistic was arguing with me about. They are running the Nevada Pistol offense which is a triple option offense. The league has never seen that, and then they are mixing in the pass with the pistol. The triple option whether the pistol or the GA Southern Paul Johnson triple option is very tough to defend. But as I said, the league will eventually catch up to it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:51 pm
“DA didnt do chit last year. they were ranked 20th on Defense.
Skip bayless (iknow) use to cover the raiders .. he basically said DA who? Said TEBOW got DA the job with the raiders. The Broncos were 1-4 before TEBOW took over last year and starting controlling the game with his run / pass. Said DA should thank tebow for getting noticed.
BTW look what palmer did to DA’s defense on one weeks notice after coming to the team lmao.. ya we lost but still.
Denver d aint missing DA this year.. they look better”
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Bayless don’t know chit. That’s the other way around.
Tebow won games in Denver scoring very little. How many times did Tebow run one in with a minute to play? Made possible because the defense kept them in those 12-10, 17-14 barnburners.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Anyone ever see that video that went viral of the little squirrel, with the swinging nuts?
I think I’ve fallen victim to “descending testes”. My unit shrunk up, but my balls have dropped to my knees. They said this would happen after you turn 60. Had no idea it was a tradeoff.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
415.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:45 pm
There is alot more shyyt going on with this team then media is reporting or they just dont know.
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And you do?
Please tell us what you know that others don’t, and how it is you know these things.
The operative word here is “know”. Not “think”.
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Again I never said i did. But some of you guys refuse to read between the lines. What coach doesnt say to his players he is leaving for two days? What GM is talking to the media after the Saints game saying he is not happy about the regression? Saying he is talking to Reggie every other day letting him know.
THen he takes a hands on approach and basically talks to DA on the plane ride home according to the poole article. Wants to know wtf is up with him.. why doesnt he show emotion. Then a respected website like today reports on the gruden thing.
Rolando mouthing off to DA saying nobody respects him or a verbal confrontation. Kelly sticking up for Rolando.
Where there is smoke there is firrre
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Most of all the Raiders are 3-9
and DA doesnt even go for a FG with a minute left when down by 10
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Raiders were done 3 weeks ago*
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The 2012 Raid season ended after getting BLOWN OUT in Denver.
Tit’s career as Raid HC probably should have ended there too.
I’m not ever going to forget or forgive Tit’s big smile for Fox after that debacle.
I don’t give a fk how friendly you are with an opposing coach.
Your job and responsibility to the Raider Nation comes first.
Smiling and being happy after an azzkicking by a divisional rival is UNACCEPTABLE behavior for a RAIDER HC.
Some posters just brush this aside as an unmeaningful event.
Not this poster.
I don’t like when the players are jovial after a loss, but I understand that’s the game today.
I’ll never accept that type of reaction from a RAID HC however.
Tits has my sympathy if his father is seriously ill and I wish him the best.
Don’t want him back as HC though.
NOT RAIDER MATERIAL
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
427,
Nailed it. That, as much as anything is why this bunch needs to be wiped out. The entire coaching staff and preferably Chubby Checker, too.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Cable was like 9-19 before Hue’s arrival. His contract was up. And the team had to cover for him breaking Randy Hanson’s jaw. As Papa said today, Hue was basically the real coach of that team in 2010. Offense leapt for No. 31 under Cable to top 5 with Hue running the offense with Grads and Soup shuffling back and forth at QB. Really remarkable.
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Again, that’s why Tom Cable is Assistant Head Coach with Pete Carrol in Seattle and Hue got demoted after months of searching for a job. Because Jackson ran everything while Cable was getting his nails done. Or something like that…..
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
DA leaves the team to be with his father who is possibly dying without discussing his personal life with the players….so what?! if tom coughlin did the same thing no one would say a word. now if he hadn’t told his bosses then i would say that deserves attention.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Tom Cable was 5-11 till Jackson got there.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Morilla Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I’m late to the party. What’s all this Gruden talk about? Fact / Fiction / Cruel joke ?
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Fiction and rumor for now, but some interesting tidbits and posts on the topic today.
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Just saw the link to that blurb on the Pro Football Weekly. Damn. Something’s brewing. Never thought I would see it in print. Cool news if it plays out.
How come Cork isn’t mentioning this?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Why wouldnt the HC of a football team , not even tell his players he would be gone for two days? Just got into the limo after the post game presser?
that shows a lack of connection imo
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Maybe he told the team after the game on Sunday?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Nobody said he had to discuss why he was leaving.
Normally you just have an open line of communication and you treat these players like men. You let them know you have family business you will have to handle.
You just dont leave them out to dry
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Its great he is with his father…he should stay with him….
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:57 pm
according to Vic Tafaur DA didnt say anything to the team.. he just left after the presser
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:57 pm
This is not raider football. These are not raider coaches. Its like a bunch of foreign ppl taking over not knowing about the tradition of Raider football.
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It kinda surprises me that there would be an expectation of carrying on the “Raider tradition”.
The Raiders as we knew them, vertical offense and man to man defense, are CERTAINLY gone. The son is different than the father. Or at least he thinks he is.
Funny thing is, you are what you know. I say give Davis Jr time and you’ll eventually see him realize that he’s more like his dad than he wants to admit. Unfortunately, we have to watch the kid grow up, lol.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
and here is skip bayless discussing DA
http://youtu.be/K0zK0sU4Gwk
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
DA hasnt treated anyone on the team like a man…thats why romac punked him….
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
I have a holiday special, KMart shoppers.
If you let me come by and tell you about how hard my wife will work for them, I will mow your lawn, and weed it as well. My wife will haul away any debris in her Ford.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Some of you guys need to get medicated.
Fire Reggie? Fire the whole staff?
Okay buddy, you go take over as GM. And BTW, your team has no real superstar or any depth, and you won’t select until the top of the fourth round, and your cap is hemmoraging. If you don’t get to the playoffs this year, you’re fired. Good luck.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:59 pm
found it on utube
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Here is stephen A smith saying the RAider fans deserve better if anyone cares
http://youtu.be/dF-SYQ0rNpo
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
excuses are good…for when you miss school…not in the nfl
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Some of you guys need to get medicated.
Fire Reggie? Fire the whole staff?
Okay buddy, you go take over as GM. And BTW, your team has no real superstar or any depth, and you won’t select until the top of the fourth round, and your cap is hemmoraging. If you don’t get to the playoffs this year, you’re fired. Good luck.
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Reggie hired DA. DA hired Knapp. Who the hell is responsible? Somebody needs to be FIRED
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Raiders were done 3 weeks ago*
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The 2012 Raid season ended after getting BLOWN OUT in Denver.
Tit’s career as Raid HC probably should have ended there too.
I’m not ever going to forget or forgive Tit’s big smile for Fox after that debacle.
I don’t give a fk how friendly you are with an opposing coach.
Your job and responsibility to the Raider Nation comes first.
Smiling and being happy after an azzkicking by a divisional rival is UNACCEPTABLE behavior for a RAIDER HC.
Some posters just brush this aside as an unmeaningful event.
Not this poster.
I don’t like when the players are jovial after a loss, but I understand that’s the game today.
I’ll never accept that type of reaction from a RAID HC however.
Tits has my sympathy if his father is seriously ill and I wish him the best.
Don’t want him back as HC though.
NOT RAIDER MATERIAL
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Completely agree…Laughing with Fox sealed it for me….I hope Mark thinks about that too.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Gruden was 34-7 here in Oakland. We need him back.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
I have a holiday special, KMart shoppers.
If you let me come by and tell you about how hard my wife will work for them, I will mow your lawn, and weed it as well. My wife will haul away any debris in her Ford.
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HahaHahahaHahahahahahaha Hehehehehehehe. sooooooooooo clever. Lol.
Knock yourself out troll, live a little thought me.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
No a bunch of fans are just handing out passes for DA
but no passes for HUE who didnt have a offseason, didnt have whole traning camp. Didnt have a gm, owner passes during the season, Starting Running back goes down, starting quarterback goes down, FORD, MOORE misses a chunk of time.
Rolando goes thug back in bama. Did the best he could
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Tom Cable was 5-11 till Jackson got there.
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Thank You Jamarcus.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Its funny Mark Davis wants DA to show more emotion.
UMM HELLO MARKY .. HUE DID that after the lost to the chargers in the last game of the season.
Said he was pissed and wasnt gonna feel like that any longer
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:03 pm
this regime of coaches and reggie inherited a nightmare of a franchise in a time with no draft picks and bad players. give it time
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Live a little through me Troll. Even if its only make believe. Knock yourself out. I’ll be back later.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
RaidO Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Some of you guys need to get medicated.
Fire Reggie? Fire the whole staff?
Okay buddy, you go take over as GM. And BTW, your team has no real superstar or any depth, and you won’t select until the top of the fourth round, and your cap is hemmoraging. If you don’t get to the playoffs this year, you’re fired. Good luck.
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Reggie hired DA. DA hired Knapp. Who the hell is responsible? Somebody needs to be FIRED
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The players need to be fired. Period. Bartell couldn’t cover my grandmother, but who else was McKenzie supposed to sign? Revis?
he patched this team as best he could, and as usual a lot of guys got hurt and there was no NFL level back-ups to fill in.
How can anybody judge these guys with what they’ve had to work with?
It’s rediculous.
Trust me, this team will be gutted next year and we will be active in FA.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
If palmer never throws that INT like he always does against ATL and they win..
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So why are you all over DA instead of the players who keep phugging off games?
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Im over this whole dayumm team man cuz it just has a wierd vibe. This is not raider football. These are not raider coaches. Its like a bunch of foreign ppl taking over not knowing about the tradition of Raider football. Its like i dont even know who this team is anymore.
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Yep.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
If DA wants to keep his job then he needs to FIRE Knapp. If DA does not FIRE Knapp then Reggie needs to FIRE DA. If Reggie then does not fire DA then Mark needs to FIRE Reggie.
Moves need to be made. They will lose the fan base.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:05 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
No a bunch of fans are just handing out passes for DA
but no passes for HUE who didnt have a offseason, didnt have whole traning camp. Didnt have a gm, owner passes during the season, Starting Running back goes down, starting quarterback goes down, FORD, MOORE misses a chunk of time.
Rolando goes thug back in bama. Did the best he could
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Weird isn’t it?
Another reason why the Hue haters are whacked in the head! lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Irjonny,
Who did we lose from last year’s team that was so good. How is the talent so bad, yet they were16-16 over the two prior seasons?
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:06 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Raiders were done 3 weeks ago*
========================================
The 2012 Raid season ended after getting BLOWN OUT in Denver.
Tit’s career as Raid HC probably should have ended there too.
I’m not ever going to forget or forgive Tit’s big smile for Fox after that debacle.
I don’t give a fk how friendly you are with an opposing coach.
Your job and responsibility to the Raider Nation comes first.
Smiling and being happy after an azzkicking by a divisional rival is UNACCEPTABLE behavior for a RAIDER HC.
Some posters just brush this aside as an unmeaningful event.
Not this poster.
I don’t like when the players are jovial after a loss, but I understand that’s the game today.
I’ll never accept that type of reaction from a RAID HC however.
Tits has my sympathy if his father is seriously ill and I wish him the best.
Don’t want him back as HC though.
NOT RAIDER MATERIAL
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Completely agree…Laughing with Fox sealed it for me….I hope Mark thinks about that too.
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Was a sarcastic smile, after being told “I’ll bet you’re glad you took the job with the Raiders, aren’t you?”
Kind of a “just filled my shorts with a load” smile.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:06 pm
morilla Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Morilla Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I’m late to the party. What’s all this Gruden talk about? Fact / Fiction / Cruel joke ?
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Fiction and rumor for now, but some interesting tidbits and posts on the topic today.
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Just saw the link to that blurb on the Pro Football Weekly. Damn. Something’s brewing. Never thought I would see it in print. Cool news if it plays out.
How come Cork isn’t mentioning this?
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Pro Football Weekly is NOT the Enquirer of football sites.
It was founded and is currently operated by Hub Arkush. While Hub may be a schmuck for his prediction that the Chiefs would be in the SB this season, he has always been a well respected football “expert”.
He is doing sideline reporting for tonights game in Washington for the radio broadcast of the game.
That’s what makes this interesting. PFW and Hub Arkush pride themselves on their efforts to be as accurate and integrous as possible in their operation.
Hub is a dweeb, but he tries to run a classy operation.
If there were nothing to this Gruden stuff, i doubt Hub would allow guys on his staff just to make stuff up.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Gruden was NEVER going to U of T or any college job. Can you imagine Chucky going into some pimply-faced 17-year-old’s living room and talking about “educational opportunities” or sitting in some conference room and having a stuffed shirt ask him about graduation rates? Ridiculous.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:08 pm
yep thats what i said. Profootball weekly is a respected site.
Even Papa suscrbied to them lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Mark Davis is responsible for the Raiders current stink.
He hired Reggie McKenzie and we all know the rest.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:08 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
It’s rediculous.
Trust me, this team will be gutted next year and we will be active in FA.
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Trust you? Would just as soon trust my non-english speaking mailman, ese’
You can’t evan spell rediculous.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:08 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Its funny Mark Davis wants DA to show more emotion.
UMM HELLO MARKY .. HUE DID that after the lost to the chargers in the last game of the season.
Said he was pissed and wasnt gonna feel like that any longer
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He did that a couple of times. I think that is officially called throwing your players under the bus. And that was after they had to take all their second half timeouts because Jackson couldn’t get plays called in time.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:09 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTi
Sent the Gruden/ProFootballWeekly link to Florio and the ProFootballTalk guys. They are usually good at digging up more on stuff.
Haven’t heard or seen anything about it, however.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:09 pm
I’ll never give up on the RAiders tho.. this is the only team i could ever root for.. I’ll just get my hopes up less when they play…
till they Mark returns this organization to someone back in the RAider family.. Reggie is a good start.. DA is not..
Bring back GRUDEN..then I know its back in good hands
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:11 pm
eff that DA gets no pass he is a bum….
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
No a bunch of fans are just handing out passes for DA
but no passes for HUE who didnt have a offseason, didnt have whole traning camp. Didnt have a gm, owner passes during the season, Starting Running back goes down, starting quarterback goes down, FORD, MOORE misses a chunk of time.
Rolando goes thug back in bama. Did the best he could
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Holla!
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:11 pm
“But it’s been fun, it’s been exciting,” Allen said. “It hasn’t been dull, I know that. I’ve been pretty busy trying to put together a staff and figure out who all we’ve got, both the people who are on the team, and who we’re trying to acquire.”
Part of the process of hiring a staff included asking permission from the Broncos to interview a couple of assistant coaches, including linebackers coach Richard Smith. All of Allen’s requests were denied by his former boss, John Fox.
“I understood the situation and that’s the rules of the game that we play by,” Allen said. “You’ve got to accept it and move on. I can’t say if I would have done anything differently than they did.”
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Feb 1 2012 – The Oakland Raiders were denied permission to interview Dallas Cowboys special teams coordinator Joe DeCamillis for an assistant head coaching position, according to a source.
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The Raiders lost out on Greg Manusky to the Colts, but they’ve lined up fallback options to fill their defensive coordinator vacancy.
Steve Corkran of the Contra Costa Times reports that the Raiders have requested permission to interview Packers cornerbacks coach Joe Whitt Jr.
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There’s probably more but the point is DA did try to get other staff in first but didn’t. I had forgotten. He’s likely here another year – hope he can get who he wants both players and coaches and then no excuses.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Gruden was NEVER going to U of T or any college job. Can you imagine Chucky going into some pimply-faced 17-year-old’s living room and talking about “educational opportunities” or sitting in some conference room and having a stuffed shirt ask him about graduation rates? Ridiculous.
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When he gets his first check, he’ll also scramble the kid some eggs.
You aren’t that smart, are you RaiderFuk?
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
eff that DA is a bum…there are college position coaches as well…better than this krapp…
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
thanks for reminding me. HUE never got to choose his staff. He was looking foward to that this year.
horrible
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
I’m entering my wife in the Ugliest Dog contest. Wish me luck.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Two seasons in I am shocked that two coaching staffs have evaluated the great Pryor, and they simply ignore this franchise qb.
Interesting!
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Assuming Allen comes back for one more season, 8-8 will be very hard to achieve next year unless we draft Andrew Luck or RG3.
Redskins coach mike shanahan adjusted to RG3 and designed a offense Based on his strengths. Not the another way around like Allen has forced McFadden and company to this new style of offense.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Gruden was NEVER going to U of T or any college job. Can you imagine Chucky going into some pimply-faced 17-year-old’s living room and talking about “educational opportunities” or sitting in some conference room and having a stuffed shirt ask him about graduation rates? Ridiculous.
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You wouldn’t picture Nick Saban or Spurrier doing that either.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:16 pm
dont disgrace that name with ridiculous posts allen…
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Redskins coach mike shanahan adjusted to RG3 and designed a offense Based on his strengths. Not the another way around like Allen has forced McFadden and company to this new style of offense.
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Exactly.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 pm
If the older generation is looking for the reward of 40 years of gay rights struggles, they need look no further than Keighley Petersen.
The soft-spoken, 15-year-old wisp of a girl from Pittsburg was at her first Pride Parade on Sunday, marching with a small gay youth group amid the usual throng of flag-waving politicians, leather daddies, gay military veterans and glitter-bedecked disco queens.
“I feel like I’m home,” she said. “I’ve been bullied a lot for being gay. … They keep saying it gets better. I used to think they were just saying that, but seeing all this, I think maybe they’re right. I think it does get better.”
Forget the legal breakthroughs and political battles. For many veterans of the LGBT movement, the most heartening sight at Sunday’s 42nd annual Pride celebration was the thousands of young gay people who appeared to take it all for granted.
“We come from a time when things were pretty grim,” said David Faulk, 57, who was at the parade with his partner of 18 years, Michael Johnstone, 49. “It’s so nice to see a generation that doesn’t have to face those problems. They won’t have to suffer through that lens of AIDS and death and inequality. It seems like everything has loosened up.”
Johnstone added, “They’ll have their own problems, but they’ll be up for it. I tell you, this younger generation is amazing. They are recharging my batteries.”
Thousands lined Market Street for the parade, which culminated with a six-hour party at Civic Center. Sunny skies and mild weather made for a perfect San Francisco day, as rainbow flags flapped in the breeze and the 200-foot pink triangle on Twin Peaks shone over the city.
Perhaps no one was more struck by the generation gap than Arthur Friedman, 67, who was marching with the San Francisco SPCA contingent. He was a newly “out” New Yorker in 1969 when the Stonewall riots erupted and spawned the modern gay rights movement.
When he marched in the first Gay Pride Parade, on Fifth Avenue in New York, the mood was decidedly less celebratory than Sunday’s pageant.
“We were all scared,” he said. “I was with a friend, a teacher, and every time he saw a camera, he hid his face. … But I went because I had decided I was gay, and I didn’t want others to define me. It was an amazing time, but also terrifying.”
Not only did young gay people face widespread discrimination, many were disowned by their families, further alienating them from the mainstream, he said.
Beyond societal challenges, AIDS – the scourge of the 1980s and ’90s – killed thousands of young gay men, galvanizing the gay-rights movement but also leaving a devastating void in the community, he said.
“A lot of young people don’t know what we went through 30 years ago, that they’re the end result of our generation’s hard work, pain, abuse, deaths,” he said. “I’m grateful for the young people today, but they need to know that we cannot stop fighting.”
The fight for gay rights is alive and well in San Leandro, whose school district was the only such contingent in the parade. As part of a decade-old legal settlement, San Leandro schools now boast a comprehensive antibullying curriculum that includes LGBT tolerance and parent education.
That’s a far cry from the late 1990s, when a San Leandro High teacher was disciplined for discussing racism and homophobia in his honors English class. The teacher sued, won and now San Leandro is one of the most gay-friendly districts around, faculty said.
“I felt like I could seek employment in San Leandro and feel safe,” said Victoria Forrester, principal of Roosevelt Elementary in San Leandro, who marched Sunday with several dozen parents, teachers, administrators and high school students from the quiet East Bay suburb. “The kids and parents here are more likely to be accepting, respectful, open.”
The struggles of yesteryear were not lost on Sarah Benitez, an Oakland nurse in her 30s who was marching with the Hot Pink Feathers dance troupe.
“We get all the benefits of those campaigns,” she said. “But the thing for young people is to not sit on our haunches. We have to keep the momentum going.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/lgbt/article/2012-S-F-Pride-Parade-pride-and-progress-3659599.php#ixzz2E3NakLJQ
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Geez
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Gruden was NEVER going to U of T or any college job. Can you imagine Chucky going into some pimply-faced 17-year-old’s living room and talking about “educational opportunities” or sitting in some conference room and having a stuffed shirt ask him about graduation rates? Ridiculous.
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When he gets his first check, he’ll also scramble the kid some eggs.
You aren’t that smart, are you RaiderFuk?
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Says the guy who trolls under someone else’s name.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Taiwan Gay Parade?
NY Gay Parade?
New Delhi Gay Parade?
They can’t hold a candle to our parade.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
and here is the what the tweet looked like in case anyone cares. PFW is a respected site/ football news source
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Pro Football Weekly@ProFootballWkly
Word around the league is that Jon Gruden is in line to rejoin the #Raiders in a prominent role. More in Scout’s Eye – http://bit.ly/VgLtu0
Top Tweet
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
really quack? you can really defend 3-8…cant be serious…
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
ez
RaiderDuck Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Gruden was NEVER going to U of T or any college job. Can you imagine Chucky going into some pimply-faced 17-year-old’s living room and talking about “educational opportunities” or sitting in some conference room and having a stuffed shirt ask him about graduation rates? Ridiculous.
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When he gets his first check, he’ll also scramble the kid some eggs.
You aren’t that smart, are you RaiderFuk?
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Says the guy who trolls under someone else’s name.
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Sorry RaiderFuk, it’s the real me, slapping down the real you.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:22 pm
It kinda surprises me that there would be an expectation of carrying on the “Raider tradition”.
The Raiders as we knew them, vertical offense and man to man defense, are CERTAINLY gone.
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That’s too bad.
Bcz believe it or not, football is still football.
Can a team dominate as the RAIDERS once did emphasizing and relying predominantly on the vertical game and man to man press ?
Probably not.
Rule changes and evolution of the game have probably put an end to those days.
BUT…
That’s not to say that the vertical game and tough man to man press outside has gone dinosaur extinct and that those concepts are no longer relevant or can’t win.
This poster wishes that those two elements were still a cornerstone of the RAIDER philosophy.
Along with smashmouth, man to man blocking up front.
I loved that part of the RAIDER identity.
It’s why I became a RAIDER fan.
Hey, if you’re going to trash the RAIDER brand of football – at least replace it with something that’s exciting, has an identity, and will WIN.
I don’t see evidence of that right now. Do you ?
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Two seasons in I am shocked that two coaching staffs have evaluated the great Pryor, and they simply ignore this franchise qb.
Interesting!
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Ehh, as I have been saying all night. What do guys like Al Saunders, DeFillippo, McKenzie, Allen, Knapp, guys who have had decades in the NFL, what do they know about the game of football?
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Two seasons in I am shocked that two coaching staffs have evaluated the great Pryor, and they simply ignore this franchise qb.
Interesting!
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Really Dakota!! Um! why is this one suiting him up? Dakota take the rest of the day off…….thank you.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Make no mistake, the season tanked when McFadden went down. But that’s just it. He’s injury prone.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Just enuff time for Eli Manning to ruin ole Rat Face’s night.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Etobicoke Fat And Ugly Women’s Club. I’m donating to this group. When you look like that, and form a club?
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
And, what’s weird, our pass to run ratio has gotten extremely lopsided since McFadden’s injury, which is really unnecessary and also a shade of the Al days. Maybe Amy is “in charge”.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:28 pm
but no passes for HUE
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I think most of us have just moved on from Hue.
Would have been fine with him coming back with a new DC.
Totally understand the new owner and GM going with “their guy” though. Happens more often than not.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:29 pm
He’s 3rd string yet the GM wants him to play, why is that?
I know this is a difficult concept but let me try anyway. The owner, the GM ,the coach all want to see this kid play. They could just put him on the PS and forget him but they’re demanding he play.
Yet we have a couple of confused people thinking he’s geting ignored. He aint playing because of what I’m saying on this blog…….trust me.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Wow. Tirico sounds like he’s the Redskins home team announcer.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:29 pm
He’s 3rd string yet the GM wants him to play, why is that?
I know this is a difficult concept but let me try anyway. The owner, the GM ,the coach all want to see this kid play. They could just put him on the PS and forget him but they’re demanding he play.
Yet we have a couple of confused people thinking he’s geting ignored. He aint playing because of what I’m saying on this blog…….trust me.====================================================
Why does the GM want him to play? Maybe his replies have something to do with the questions, you old coot.
Reporters see what is happening across the bay, and want to know if the Raiders also are going to test their backups. Duuuumb question.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Another thing DeFilippo is on special assignment dailey to get this kid ready to play. They don’t do that for just anybody, folks why don’t we just give this a rest because after all if Pryor is successful we all win……..I know that tough to digest but it is true.
Lets from now on let the kids play speak for itself. My comments henceforth will be reserved for post play. Until he plays I wont comment on him anymore……..you guys can have it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
That’s not to say that the vertical game and tough man to man press outside has gone dinosaur extinct and that those concepts are no longer relevant or can’t win.
This poster wishes that those two elements were still a cornerstone of the RAIDER philosophy.
Along with smashmouth, man to man blocking up front.
I loved that part of the RAIDER identity.
It’s why I became a RAIDER fan.
Hey, if you’re going to trash the RAIDER brand of football – at least replace it with something that’s exciting, has an identity, and will WIN.
I don’t see evidence of that right now. Do you ?
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If I may speak for myself for a sec, I couldn’t agree more.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Do you ?
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Not really.
But I did like that vertical pass to Streater.
And the fact he benched Bartell and Moore.
That post remiding us of who DA was trying to hire as assts before he had to “settle” for Knapp and Tarver.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Redskins got this now.
Only reason i was rooting for NYG is cuz it’ll give Dallas a better chance.
Now they’ll be just a game out.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:38 pm
3-13….1-3 in preaseason…but preseason doesnt mean anything….
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:38 pm
What yu’re saying, priest, you’ve already said a boatload of stupid things about Pryor that will come back and bite you if he isn’t a stud? Yeah, we know.
You haven’t shut up about him in last 5 months, and now all of a sudden you’re telling posters “folks, why don’t we just give this a rest”?
GTFOH with that stupid schitt.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:38 pm
3-13….1-3 in preaseason…but preseason doesnt mean anything….
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Yep, we hear that every damned year.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm
If Pryor is a success I will never post on this board again. That is a promise. One I’m not worried about, because I’ve seen him play. So have the coaches. Which should answer your questions on why he’s not out there.
He sucks, plain and simple.
A WR is where he will end up. Not as much thinking there.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm
youll just come back as alex7…
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 pm
routt about to get paid by a third team….texans.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Offensive expolsions tonight, lol.
17-20 pts and we should be IN every game.
Our defense is just flat out BAD!
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm
If Pryor is a success I will never post on this board again. That is a promise. One I’m not worried about, because I’ve seen him play. So have the coaches. Which should answer your questions on why he’s not out there.
He sucks, plain and simple.
A WR is where he will end up. Not as much thinking there.
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No one reads your posts anyway, pecker-wood. No one will miss you.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm
If Pryor is a success I will never post on this board again. That is a promise. One I’m not worried about, because I’ve seen him play. So have the coaches. Which should answer your questions on why he’s not out there.
He sucks, plain and simple.
A WR is where he will end up. Not as much thinking there.
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Didn’t you say that after the DMC pick?
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Bob Griffen is a fraud.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 pm
routt about to get paid by a third team….texans.
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Routt was the best LB we’ve had, in years.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Shut up you said that before and didn’t do it………..so give us a break.
He already has 18 handles………lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Shut up you said that before and didn’t do it………..so give us a break.
He already has 18 handles………lol
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Shut up, boy~
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm
If Pryor is a success I will never post on this board again. That is a promise. One I’m not worried about, because I’ve seen him play. So have the coaches. Which should answer your questions on why he’s not out there.
He sucks, plain and simple.
A WR is where he will end up. Not as much thinking there.
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Didn’t you say that after the DMC pick?
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No, I didn’t. Next time lookit up, you lameass.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 pm
The thing that is soo unbelievable about RG3 is he rarely ever turns the ball over. That is more shocking than anything IMO his turnover ratio to TD really sets him apart. Just a Brilliant kid phenomenal talent.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 pm
I’m a realtor. I know a little bit about football.
I watched the Raiders at Frank Youll field when i was in diapers.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Just a Brilliant kid phenomenal talent.
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They scored 17 pts.
He was OK.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:51 pm
We are just biding our time with Pryor. It would be detrimental to the raiders and the NFL if we were to unleash him after only 2 years riding the pine. People simply are not ready for what Pryor will bring to the game. In about 10 months we should be ready to put Pryor on the field to take a knee at the end of a game. We need to take this slow. He is such a talent that we must figure out a way to let the rest of the NFL remain competitive, otherwise the NFL will die!
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:52 pm
LOL
It amazes me that Sullivan gets held accountable for EVERY post, right in the middle of YOUR HANDLES getting taken over.
LMFAO
You don’t think his gets impersonated????
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
524, I was just trying to show how lame it is for someone to hijack someones handle.
Of course you fools won’t get that.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm
If Pryor is a success I will never post on this board again. That is a promise. One I’m not worried about, because I’ve seen him play. So have the coaches. Which should answer your questions on why he’s not out there.
He sucks, plain and simple.
A WR is where he will end up. Not as much thinking there.
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Didn’t you say that after the DMC pick?
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No, I didn’t. Next time lookit up, you lames.
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Oh wait that was Glenn Dorsey who was gonna squash DMC every year and Dorsey was the man.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Who is going to replace Seymour next year?
Desmond Bryant and his 5 game audition has been an EPIC fail!
I noticed Kelly lined up right over the C alot this past weekend. Holding Richardson in check was pretty impresive.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Gotta hope and pray the Gruden coming back to Raiders turns out true. That type of move would be a smart and wise business and football decision by Mark Davis and the fan base would be excited and passionate again and season tickets sales would shoot thru the roof.
Otherwise, we would have to deal with the likes of DA and Knapp again??
Ooff and Ugh!
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:57 pm
J Hill Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Who is going to replace Seymour next year?
Desmond Bryant and his 5 game audition has been an EPIC fail!
I noticed Kelly lined up right over the C alot this past weekend. Holding Richardson in check was pretty impresive.
^^^^^^^^
Lamar Houston needs to play more inside. That is his natural position.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:57 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Gotta hope and pray the Gruden coming back to Raiders turns out true. That type of move would be a smart and wise business and football decision by Mark Davis and the fan base would be excited and passionate again and season tickets sales would shoot thru the roof.
Otherwise, we would have to deal with the likes of DA and Knapp again??
Ooff and Ugh!
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C’mon DA has the “It” factor…just no coaching ability
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Yes maddenraider did say that about the McFadden draft.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 pm
I wont move on from hue till a coach comes along and proves he is worth a shyyt.
Mark davis hasnt moved on cuz he is still talking about this time last year they were 7-4. Talking about regression and why he didnt fight for hue. So clearly he still thinks of hue
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RG3 is currently trending on twitter.. current football players raving about the kind. I missed the 2nd half tho
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:04 pm
What the chiefs thought if routt.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/11/9/3621774/chiefs-stanford-routt-physical-tackle/in/3369975
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Mark Davis as Hitler reacts:
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=kTV7O7TVNh0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkTV7O7TVNh0
Too funny!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:13 pm
If Gruden were to return, it is very likely he could attract a better caliber of players who could be more willing to play for him. He has had enough time off he could come back as a super coach.
Gruden would attract better players because they want to play for a proven winner and he could fill the seats. A no brainer for Mark/Reggie.
Gruden = HC/OC
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:15 pm
J Hill Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
TSR,
I saw your list of who to blame.
Thanks for the help, lol.
So what is Mark going to do to fix this mess?
Gruden?
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Glad you enjoyed that. Mark is in Reggie’s ear and in the coach’s ear too apparently. He’s not just going to stand idle. I think he’ll start putting more and more pressure on Reggie as his frustration mounts, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Gruden here. We shall see…
Reggie thought he had his guy and gave him authority on assistant hires. He’s turned out to be quite the flop. While Reggie is responsible for it, his forte is player personnel and this is his first rodeo in picking a head coach. Therefore, I give him a mulligan.
So then we have DA. This team is flailing and this has fast become one of our worst years as Raider fans after what we thought was the beginning of a slow resurgence. Not being able to hire his first choices is a valid argument. But come on, 5 losses in a row and all in embarrassing style? Always playing from behind with garbage stats and points in the 4th? This team is pathetic. DA talks about accountability. Well, have at it. It’s all yours Dennis.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Gruden/ Manti TE’O start rebuild??!?!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:18 pm
national press, stands filled??!??
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Morilla Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Morilla Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I’m late to the party. What’s all this Gruden talk about? Fact / Fiction / Cruel joke ?
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Fiction and rumor for now, but some interesting tidbits and posts on the topic today.
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Just saw the link to that blurb on the Pro Football Weekly. Damn. Something’s brewing. Never thought I would see it in print. Cool news if it plays out.
How come Cork isn’t mentioning this?
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Probably waiting on something a little more official. Or, knowing Cork, maybe he doesn’t even know about it. lol. Who in here keeps him abreast of such things. I know folks here sometimes email him news.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
cork is a good guy but he probaly wont confirm till the day he is hired.. or someone more nationalily picks up on it with some steam
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Who’s to say right now if the Raiders first pick would rather sit out or demand to be traded or won’t play? Who’s to say we’ll ever get better? Mark needs to take a deep look into the guts of this organization and realize he needs help.
Gruden/Saunders and bring back Marshall.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Gruden would put keisters in the seats and give the team some momentum for stadium discussions.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Gruden would put keisters in the seats and give the team some momentum for stadium discussions.
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And attract a better caliber of FAs’. Players will want to come here.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:24 pm
IM just saying right now Mark has a chance to right his mistakes.. dont get into deep where u cant start letting go of guys.
The longer you prolong it like next season the harder it will get. End of the season a choice will have to be made
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:25 pm
FAs go where the $ is.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 pm
LDE: Shaughnessy
DT: Houston
DT: Bryant
RDE: ?
OLB: Burris
MLB: ?
OLB: Wheeler
CB: ?
CB: ?
FS: Huff
SS: Branch
We need RDE, CB, LB, and I think we should add a NT and S.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
We should activate Chekwa to see what he can do.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Quality free agents usually go to good teams. Not sure why Williams went to buffalo….
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
DA hasnt treated anyone on the team like a man…thats why romac punked him….
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mcclain’s career is over. who got punked?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:33 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
No a bunch of fans are just handing out passes for DA
but no passes for HUE who didnt have a offseason, didnt have whole traning camp. Didnt have a gm, owner passes during the season, Starting Running back goes down, starting quarterback goes down, FORD, MOORE misses a chunk of time.
Rolando goes thug back in bama. Did the best he could
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name one person here who has given DA a pass.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 pm
LT: Veldheer
LG: Wiz
C: ?
RG: ? (I know Briseil is under contract but we should release him)
RT: ?
RB: DMC (option year(
FB: Reece
TE: Myers
WR: Moore, DHB, Ford, Streater, and Criner. I don’ t mind adding a vet WR but I don’t want us to draft any
QB: CP, TP
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Just a final word regarding Tits and staff and I’m out of here.
Most of us are in agreement that TP should at least see the field now that the season has been an incredible failure.
Tits and company clearly didn’t want to play TP at all, as evidenced by TP being inactive every single week.
Apparently, either Davis or Reggie put some pressure on Tits and Krapp to change this.
My question is, unless you thought the Raids were playoff bound, or that Matt Leinart can be the future, why wasn’t TP given a taste somewhere along the way even if it was just a situational package or to mop up during one of our all too frequent blowout losses ?
A staff with some vision would have made sure TP was at least active and utilized in some capacity.
My opinion is that this staff is not only failing to get the job done on game day as well as failing in weekly preparation – but has also been negligent of fully utilizing the roster available and seems to be rudderless and visionless as far as trying to chart a course for the future.
TP should have been active and seen some action. Taiwan should be given a chance.
Better late than never, but IMO this was clearly a mistake by Tits and Krapp.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Quality free agents usually go to good teams. Not sure why Williams went to buffalo….
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$$$!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:35 pm
DA got punked by 9 teams so far soon to be 13 and one ex raider….pretty bad even for a coach eith ttitties…
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
DE – Houston
NT –
DE – Bryant
OLB – Wheeler
ILB
ILB
OLB –
CB
CB
FS – Huff
SS
We need 7 starters.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 pm
plenty of guys say give DA another year.. for what? what has he shown? pass not given. i dont know all the screen names i read.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Two seasons in I am shocked that two coaching staffs have evaluated the great Pryor, and they simply ignore this franchise qb.
Interesting!
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Really Dakota!! Um! why is this one suiting him up? Dakota take the rest of the day off…….thank you.
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LOL! great point priest! they’re suiting him up! they’re suiting him up!
he’s coming quick now!
LOL!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:38 pm
7 New starters on defense, and fix our OL and offense?
We can’t fix all our issues in one offseason.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
I do think DA is on very thin ice and the more I think about it the more I’m sure Mark would hire Gruden in a second if Gruden wants the job.
Either way, it’s getting ugly, even among the more casual Raiders fans. This may sound silly, but I think a good barometer, aside from the empty seats at the stadium on Sunday, is the team’s Facebook page. They have the balls to post all this stuff about holiday sales on Raiders gear right after each loss. As recently as 2-3 weeks ago, there was still a significant number of optimistic comments on the team’s posts ripping the fans who were talking sh!t and calling for change. But I would say within the last two weeks those voices of optimism have dried up. Fans are just savaging the organization on there for suggesting they would want to buy cr@p to support this team right now. I think it’s somewhat debatable if the coaches have lost the team, but it’s pretty clear they’ve lost the fans. That could be the bigger issue for Mark. Raiders are either looking to move or have a new stadium built ASAP. That becomes much harder when the fan base is in full revolt mode.
To have any hope of changing that, a new coach needs to be brought in. The only way to significantly change it and fast is probably to hire Gruden.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:29 pm
He’s 3rd string yet the GM wants him to play, why is that?
I know this is a difficult concept but let me try anyway. The owner, the GM ,the coach all want to see this kid play. They could just put him on the PS and forget him but they’re demanding he play.
Yet we have a couple of confused people thinking he’s geting ignored. He aint playing because of what I’m saying on this blog…….trust me.
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LOL!!! priest has entered the missdick zone! comical!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:42 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm
If Pryor is a success I will never post on this board again. That is a promise. One I’m not worried about, because I’ve seen him play. So have the coaches. Which should answer your questions on why he’s not out there.
He sucks, plain and simple.
A WR is where he will end up. Not as much thinking there.
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Didn’t you say that after the DMC pick?
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he’s the biggest lair here.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:45 pm
1- CB Xavier Rhodes or DE D Moore if he was available
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- RB Michael Dyer
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Kirk Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:29 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Priest says Pryor would be instant upgrade over Palmer. Do any of u realize what a joke that seriously is? Are u saying it just to have something to say?
What do u think pryor’s completion percentage would be? Quarterback rating? How many more picks than Tds? Are u really so stupid to say how “special” u think he is when not only do all the experts doubt it but u have hardly seem him play.
Just idiotic.
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Pryor threw for 2 touchdowns and ran for 1 more in a quarter and a half.
Can Palmer say that?
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Palmer threw for 3 TDs and threw a 2 point conversion all in a matter of 11 minutes in the 4th quarter against the Bucs. Oh, and what he can say that Pryor can’t is that he did against a starting NFL defense in a regular season game and not against 3rd string scrubs in a preseason game.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
524, I was just trying to show how lame it is for someone to hijack someones handle.
Of course you fools won’t get that.
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HAHAHHAHAHA!!!
sullivan accidentally tried one of his lame kell posts but posted as sullivan and then tried to explain it away!
idiot!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
We should activate Chekwa to see what he can do.
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we know what he can do. that’s why he’s on the PS. lol.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:52 pm
sullivan, missdick and priest usually try to run from me these days. they know i will destroy them. at least they show some intelligence.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Because, as scouts, two coaching staffs, and reporters who have all watched him play would ALL agree…
Pryor really sucks as a QB.
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“My question is, unless you thought the Raids were playoff bound, or that Matt Leinart can be the future, why wasn’t TP given a taste somewhere along the way even if it was just a situational package or to mop up during one of our all too frequent blowout losses ?”
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
no…they dont know…thats why every qb has tgeifbest day against us…
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Anybody in here think Tarver or Nap even know what the pistol offense is? Man this staff is so far behind the rest of the league, it’s sad. Anybody can see it after watching the MNF game tonight. The potential of this team has been killed by DA and his know nothings.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
theres the zone lover…lmao
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
I do think DA is on very thin ice and the more I think about it the more I’m sure Mark would hire Gruden in a second if Gruden wants the job.
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Davis would have to fire both McKenzie and Allen. I don’t know why you don’t understand that. McKenzie picked Allen. I don’t think it would fly if Davis just fired Dennis Allen and installed Jon Gruden without any input from the General Manager who happens to run the football ops.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:52 pm
sullivan, missdick and priest usually try to run from me these days. they know i will destroy them. at least they show some intelligence.
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Why do you loser trolls come in here everyday, and Bragg about some imaginary victory over another poster? Is that all you seriously got, in that bankrupt life of yours?
Then you go into a cross posting hissy. Man.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:00 pm
KK
then they wonder why we’re not here posting at 2:30 pm.
It’s called being employed.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:00 pm
555,
I think you nailed it on offense for the most part.
O-line: I’d move Wiz to LG and rebuild the C thru RT side. That’s the biggest move. Dump Brisiel’s bloated contract.
WR: Moore, Streater, Ford for sure. DHB only at a significant pay cut since he’s due to make like $7 mil or something like that. Bring in a vet with a track record of success who can lead the group. Criner I could live without.
RB: DMC, Goodson, Reece, Jones and one other. I know a lot of people want to ditch Jones, but I don’t trust this coaching staff. I can’t just jettison the kid based on their incompetence. If his blocking is that bad move him to WR or DB. DMC is in line for like $5 mil. I say his upside is worth the risk and more than anything a trade might bring.
TE: Myers and Ausberry. If we could add a stud t this position I wouldn’t be opposed to making Myers a backup, despite his strong stats. Guy can get open and catch, but no YAC and often sub-par blocking.
QB: Palmer, TP and another prospect with good upside but also a reasonably high floor who could be counted on in case Palmer gets hurt and TP flames out.
K: Keep Janikowski (no brainier)
P: Leaning toward letting Shane walk to spend the money elsewhere
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:00 pm
You know why Mark is “pizzed”? Cuz this is a bad time for the Raiders to be a laughingstock. There’s never a “good” time for that but it couldn’t come at a worse time.
First off, he’s got this whole stadium issue to deal with and it gets harder to garner support from investors when you have trouble selling out the stadium you are in already.
What does he say? ” I know we’re having trouble getting support but don’t worry Mr. Investor, I promise if you give me 400 mill. we WILL.”
Then Davis figures if Oakland doesn’t come through for him he can go somewhere else, but it makes it tougher when he’s trying to promote the worst team in football.
It may be that he’s helpless right now with a team devoid of talent at so many levels, but if he had an experienced GM and an experienced, formerly successful HC to point to and say “well you know it’s only a matter of time until our experienced “winning’ guys get this thing turned around”, then he would have something of a bargaining chip; but he doesn’t.
He’s got a situation that to most onlookers (outside of a marginal contingent of patient bloggers) looks like a hopeless situation.
How do you “sell” that…to ANYBODY?
No wonder Mark is stressed.
This is a really bad time to be THIS bad.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Al
you are one sad dude. You would seriously tell the Raiders to play man-to-man defense every single play.
And the worst thing is you think you know football.
That’s comically terrible.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Watching London Fletcher tonight, would love to clone that guy and put 11 of them out there on the Raiders D. He showed more passion in one half then Rolando did his entire career.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Because, as scouts, two coaching staffs, and reporters who have all watched him play would ALL agree…
Pryor really sucks as a QB.
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“My question is, unless you thought the Raids were playoff bound, or that Matt Leinart can be the future, why wasn’t TP given a taste somewhere along the way even if it was just a situational package or to mop up during one of our all too frequent blowout losses ?”
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LOL!
sullivan accidentally shows that he was the kell imposter (and sound suspiciously like beech), then says it’s lame to switch handles (thinking he threw off the scent), and whaddya know, alex7 comes on to say exactly the same thing sullivan has been saying.
what a loser.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Chris
no reason to dump Briesel. There is a salary floor, money needs to be spent, and Briesel is a nice bounce-back candidate for next year (young enough, proven track-record).
Don’t sell stocks at their low points.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:52 pm
sullivan, missdick and priest usually try to run from me these days. they know i will destroy them. at least they show some intelligence.
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Why do you loser trolls come in here everyday, and Bragg about some imaginary victory over another poster? Is that all you seriously got, in that bankrupt life of yours?
Then you go into a cross posting hissy. Man.
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name who my supposed cross posting alias is? jackazz.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
KoolKell
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Seymour,
McKenzie can kick rocks then. He should keep his mouth shut and be thankful he has a job at this point.
Plus he and Gruden worked together in GB. They could easily sell it as at least Chubby Checker’s decision, in part.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
There is no doubt that Mark did not expect a rebuild, and if that is what Reggie is truly taking this as then they have some serious communication issues.
It’s obvious when Mark says to DA “IT ISN’T GOOD ENOUGH” and then tlaks about how he’s “pissed” that we were 7-4 at this time last yr. and now are ….THIS….that the owner is not accepting that this is gonna be a slow rebuild.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
J Hill Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
DE – Houston
NT –
DE – Bryant
OLB – Wheeler
ILB
ILB
OLB –
CB
CB
FS – Huff
SS
We need 7 starters.
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That about sums it up.
Could any coaching staff do much with that many holes in their defense?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Dr
nice to know you have nothing better to think about than guys’ handles.
Guys like Sullivan, ChrisinNY, Seymour, myself, and others simply are the realists in here that weren’t prancing around yelling playoffs in August.
Feel free to join the guys who have been right about this organization year in and year out.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 pm
u think i’m posting as u? i wouldn’t waste my time.
don’t u see the theme of ur imposter? always ragging on ur wife. don’t u know who else does that? starts with a b. ends with an eech. cmon guy. figure it out.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Facebook gots the-
Get Jon Gruden back to The Oakland Raiders page going. My heart is filled with joy seeing him dawn the silver and black.
I remember after a big win, Jon got all the players to repeatedly chant/scream from the top of their lungs,”Raiders, Raiders, Raiders”, in the locker room after the game.
This team desperately needs that kind of fire and passion from their head coach.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Dump Briesel. A minimum salary guy can’t be worse. Spend the dough on real linemen and pass rushers instead.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Dr
nice to know you have nothing better to think about than guys’ handles.
Guys like Sullivan, ChrisinNY, Seymour, myself, and others simply are the realists in here that weren’t prancing around yelling playoffs in August.
Feel free to join the guys who have been right about this organization year in and year out.
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listen fu@k face. u know exactly who i am and i know exactly who u are and why ur here. u don’t hold a candle to me in football knowledge. just go try to stir up sh!t like u always do and pretend ur not a complete loser. but don’t try attributing any bullsh!t to me i didn’t azzhole. u just make urself look stupid. best to just quietly ignore me when i call u out and hope i find someone else to toy with.
ur a coward and u know it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 pm
u think i’m posting as u? i wouldn’t waste my time.
don’t u see the theme of ur imposter? always ragging on ur wife. don’t u know who else does that? starts with a b. ends with an eech. cmon guy. figure it out.
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You’ve always talked about my wife too, Brien. You’re always in here telling people which opinions are acceptable and which aren’t. Followed by insults and threats. Then a hissy fit of cross posting.
That’s why you have to change your name all the time. Frustrated Blog Head of State.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Miami, I respect Gruden, but he had…
William Thomas, Eric Allen, Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, Tim Brown, Charlie Garner, Greg Biekert, Trace Armstrong, Sam Adams, John Parella, Tyrone Wheatley, Rich Gannon, Lincoln Kennedy, Barry Sims, Mo Collins…
we have waiver cuts starting for us.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Dr_Robert
internet tough guy. Here’s a trophy and a lollipop.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 pm
u think i’m posting as u? i wouldn’t waste my time.
don’t u see the theme of ur imposter? always ragging on ur wife. don’t u know who else does that? starts with a b. ends with an eech. cmon guy. figure it out.
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You’ve always talked about my wife too, Brien. You’re always in here telling people which opinions are acceptable and which aren’t. Followed by insults and threats. Then a hissy fit of cross posting.
That’s why you have to change your name all the time. Frustrated Blog Head of State.
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kell. listen pal. i’m not brien or whoever. it’s comical u think so. i rarely even talk to u. i never post under any name but this one. don’t need to.
and if u recall, a month or so ago, i was asking people why they were all against u and was semi-defending u. would ur old nemesis brien do that?
pay attention.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 pm
I don’t know about drafting a MLB in the top 5.
Look at teams’ turnarounds: Bucs, Colts, Redskins, Bengals, Seahawks…
Doug Martin, Vincent Jackson, Luck, RGIII, Garcon, Alfred Morris, AJ Green, Dalton, Russell Wilson.
Seems turnarounds happen when you prop up the O side of the ball.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Dr_Robert
internet tough guy. Here’s a trophy and a lollipop.
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i asked u this a couple years ago. why are u here? what loser can’t find anything else to do but to go try to irritate people on a team’s blog that they don’t even like. did al davis bend ur mom over or something?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Alex,
I know but that’s why I said this team desperately needs a coach, any coach, with fire and passion. DA doesn’t show this quality at all.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Defending ME? Lol. You were attempting to get the “best” of Beech, as usual. Whatever
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 pm
I don’t know about drafting a MLB in the top 5.
Look at teams’ turnarounds: Bucs, Colts, Redskins, Bengals, Seahawks…
Doug Martin, Vincent Jackson, Luck, RGIII, Garcon, Alfred Morris, AJ Green, Dalton, Russell Wilson.
Seems turnarounds happen when you prop up the O side of the ball.
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u mean like chicago, san francisco, baltimore, and houston?
ur just always looking to start trouble. such a complete dick.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:24 pm
i asked u this a couple years ago. why are u here? what loser can’t find anything else to do but to go try to irritate people on a team’s blog that they don’t even like. did al davis bend ur mom over or something?
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Typical little Pootbutt wannabe, still aren’t ya?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Defending ME? Lol. You were attempting to get the “best” of Beech, as usual. Whatever
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are u drunk? i was talking to people like albert and seymour about u. beech had nothing to do with it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Gruden should make Romo LBs coach.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Dr Robert Johnson?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:24 pm
i asked u this a couple years ago. why are u here? what loser can’t find anything else to do but to go try to irritate people on a team’s blog that they don’t even like. did al davis bend ur mom over or something?
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Typical little Pootbutt wannabe, still aren’t ya?
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i could not begin to tell anyone what that means, but i gotta tell u, that pootbutt thing u say is really dumb. sounds effeminate.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Dr Robert Johnson?
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the bluesman? ok. sure.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Dr
you do realize Baltimore’s D is terrible this year, right?
And that Chicago was like 0-5 down the stretch last year without their QB.
At least have legit arguments when you speak actual football.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Masa al khair habibi,
This team needs better coaches and talent, and I think it willtake a few year to be able to get enough talent to compete at a high level.
Needs:
Pass rushers
2 CBs
LBs
Ss
NT
OL
WR
RB
We Can’t fix all these issues in one offseason especially since we don’t have enoughspace in our salary cap.
2 year project.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:29 pm
KC Chiefs have invested many 1st round picks on D:
Glenn Dorsey, Tyson Jackson, Donta’ Poe, Eric Berry
umm, not helping.
they really need a QB.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Dr
you do realize Baltimore’s D is terrible this year, right?
And that Chicago was like 0-5 down the stretch last year without their QB.
At least have legit arguments when you speak actual football.
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u can’t be this stupid. the ravens have had one of the best defenses for years and have had several key injuries.
the bears lost their starting qb. duh. most teams struggle when that happens. but their defense is renowned for being great.
u suck dude.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
605
I’ve said the same. I wonder how the holidays are the Romanowski’s…I bet he doesn’t know how to hug without tackling you.lol Love that guy! Wouldn’t mind seeing Gannon as our QB coach if the Gruden hire went down. I thought he was going to work with Pryor?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
alex7—answer the question coward. why are u here? ur not a raiders fan.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:33 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Dr Robert Johnson?
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the bluesman? ok. sure.
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I think he’s talking about the guy who founded Ebony magazine and is the hair product mogul.
Self made african american billionaire.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Dr
name-calling online. You are so cool.
The point is, who cares how good the Bears D is? You need a QB to win in this league. Raiders need to focus on QB and O upgrade, not a MLB.
Ravens weren’t doing squat the last 10 years with that D until Joe Flacco and Ray Rice arrived.
It’s not 1970. Offense wins games. Ask the Packers and Patriots who haven’t had a top-10 D in a decade, but win playoff games every year.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:34 pm
I don’t think Romo can coach.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Funny how the “realists’ are the ones using words like “mirage” in describing our record the prior two yr’s.
“It wasn’t real”. “The games were close. Could’ve gone either way so they don’t count”.
“Can’t count the win at SD. Palmer was playing in his backyard from his home in LaJolla”.
“We had an easy schedule, nobody else did”.
..or my personal favorite “8-8 wasn’t really 8-8″.
Good news. I checked ESPN and Yahoo sports and 8-8 really WAS 8-8.
Great we have the “realists” to keep things “real”.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Shufii Mafi querd.
Enshalla all is well!
Romanowski as a conditioning coach? Lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Chiefs, Browns, Dolphins, and Bills
keep trying to “build through the trenches”
How’s that working out for them?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 pm
DJ
I predicted 7-9 last year. Why? Because I saw the weak schedule.
I predicted 6-10 this year. Why? Because I saw the schedule vs Ravens, Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Dolphins, and Bengals.
These things matter.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:42 pm
most on here have been predicting playoffs since the Aaron Brooks years.
I just balance out the nonsense with correct predictions and explanations of why.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:42 pm
alex7–why are u here coward?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
alex7—answer the question coward. why are u here? ur not a raiders fan.
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Why are you here? Besides making sure you give both Mistic and beech a lapdance?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 pm
I have a bit of bad news though.
I checked ESPN again and 3-9 really IS 3-9.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:44 pm
people here predict playoffs cuz they’re fans and they’re optimistic and they enjoy thinking their team will do well this year.
u have spent years here being a dick and trying to cause problems. u enjoy bringing others down.
ur a dick.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Because I can.
It’s also fun dousing nonsense and hype with stats and reality.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Alrighty lol
Goodnight habibi and friends!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 pm
More bad news guys.
It turns out all the other teams in the league had salary cap restrictions as well.
Carry on.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
alex7—answer the question coward. why are u here? ur not a raiders fan.
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Why are you here? Besides making sure you give both Mistic and beech a lapdance?
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be smart enuff to know when ur outta ur league, fella.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
625, LOL.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Because I can.
It’s also fun dousing nonsense and hype with stats and reality.
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LOL! the idiot no one wants around but keeps forcing his way into the party.
a non-fan having “fun” spending his life trying to bring others down.
i feel sorry for u.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:47 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Romanowski as a conditioning coach? Lol
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Romo sounds like a high pitched little girl.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:49 pm
It keeps getting worse guys.
I did an internet search and i couldn’t find any credible sports analysts who would vouch for the fact that coming off consecutive 8-8 seasons that the Raiders had inherited an ‘unprecedented mess’ never before seen in the history of the NFL”.
I’ll keep looking though.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:49 pm
I’m sorry you waste emotions on me, Dr.
You can stop anytime you want.
It’s fun being a realist fan that doesn’t buy into hype and can see how things are going to play out from a mile away. Makes it easy to stay even-keel and enjoy things.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:51 pm
DJ
look in the Vegas books.
The ones that had the Raiders pegged as a 5-11 team before the season started.
They, and some of us, knew the combination of factors was terrible (tougher schedule, loss of talent, no 1st or 2nd round picks, over the cap, no incoming FAs, rookie HC and DC.)
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Alex you act like teams havent failed drafting qb’s there have been many qb bust too many to name like I said the draft is a crapshoot no team will get it right every year fact remains if your qb doesnt have time to throw your qb will be ineffective why do you think NYG always beats NE? that pass rush gets brady. The packers have a solid oline when healthy and even when not totally healthy Rodgers is mobile enough to make it work but not at a championship level. Cutler is fresh off an concussion because his oline is trash and Ben is hurt right now because his line is trash. Vick is beat up because his line is trash you wont win come PO time if your line is trash period.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
alex7—answer the question coward. why are u here? ur not a raiders fan.
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Why are you here? Besides making sure you give both Mistic and beech a lapdance?
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be smart enuff to know when ur outta ur league, fella.
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I chew up and spit out little pootbutts like you, for breakfast. I’ve forgotten more than you will ever know. When you were a snotnosed kid, I was cheering on Stabler. Southpaw Stabler.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Chris in NY your a smart guy how important is oline in your book?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:49 pm
I’m sorry you waste emotions on me, Dr.
You can stop anytime you want.
It’s fun being a realist fan that doesn’t buy into hype and can see how things are going to play out from a mile away. Makes it easy to stay even-keel and enjoy things.
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u would like it if were upset. i’m not. i enjoy telling u ur an idiot.
ur not a raiders fan.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:58 pm
For every Peyton Manning there is a Ryan Leaf for every RGlll and Andrew Luck the is a Blaine Gabbert and Chad Henne. Get a clue Alex.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Habibi,
LOL
Ya Salam! Sayer tehki arabi hala hala!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
alex7—answer the question coward. why are u here? ur not a raiders fan.
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Why are you here? Besides making sure you give both Mistic and beech a lapdance?
*************
be smart enuff to know when ur outta ur league, fella.
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I chew up and spit out little pootbutts like you, for breakfast. I’ve forgotten more than you will ever know. When you were a snotnosed kid, I was cheering on Stabler. Southpaw Stabler.
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there isn’t a soul here who would say u know more about football then me.
the pootbutts thing makes u sound like a little girl.
being around a long time doesn’t mean ur knowledgable.
stabler was my fav qb when i was a kid.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
East
certainly there are bust QBs, but can you win without a top QB?
Unlikely. 49ers can. That’s it. Everyone else needs a top QB to dance in the playoffs (Texans, Patriots, Packers, Broncos, Falcons, Steelers, Bears).
When your team needs EVERYTHING, a QB is the quickest way to turn your team around.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Raiders have no pass rush, no pass coverage skills so there is no preparing for Manning. Manning will pick them apart no matter what. Raiders have to hope that the WRs drop passes or that Manning catches the flu. This game will be a nightmare
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:01 pm
East
I gotta point out you’re flat out wrong. There are like 10 Mannings for every Leaf or Russell.
1st round QB picks are some of the safest around.
I showed the % a few months ago: something like 75% of 1st round QBs end up being legit
And it’s the most important position in the sport. Gotta take a shot at it when you can.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:02 pm
alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
East
certainly there are bust QBs, but can you win without a top QB?
Unlikely. 49ers can. That’s it. Everyone else needs a top QB to dance in the playoffs (Texans, Patriots, Packers, Broncos, Falcons, Steelers, Bears).
When your team needs EVERYTHING, a QB is the quickest way to turn your team around.
>> niners lost with a near historic defense last year. can’t win without an elite Qb anymore.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:01 pm
I gotta point out you’re flat out wrong. There are like 10 Mannings for every Leaf or Russell.
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did he just say that? actually the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard of here. and that’s saying something.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:03 pm
a solid overall team still loses without a QB.
Look at the Steelers and Bears’ records without their QB.
Look at the Colts 1-15 without Manning or Luck, mostly same players otherwise.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:04 pm
alex7 just said there are 10 hall of famer qb’s from the first round for every qb who didn’t make it.
this guy is so inept it’s hilarious.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Raiders will probably draft the best defensive player available. preferably a Defensive linemen with the first pick. none of those QBs are close to Luck or RGIII. Raiders might as well just stick with Palmer OR maybe Pryor next year at this point. draft best defensive linemen available.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:05 pm
educate yourself:
coldhardfootballfacts.com
“it’s easy to see why such an onus is placed on quarterbacks drafted No. 1 overall. They account for more than one quarter of all Super Bowl starters since the merger (28.3%) and include some of the greatest names in Super Bowl history: Terry Bradshaw (4 starts, 4 wins), Troy Aikman (3/3), John Elway (5/2), Jim Plunkett (2/2), Eli Manning (2/2), Peyton Manning (2/1), Drew Bledsoe (1/0).
First-round quarterbacks, meanwhile, have made over half (53.7%) of all starts in the big game.
Obviously, not every first-round quarterback has gone on to greatness, but most of the teams that do make it to the final game do so with a top pick running their offenses.”
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Of course you need a QB to win I know this, but you must keep that QB upright, its costing the steelers their season right now, the bears wont make it far with that oline and unless the packers get healthy on the oline they wont go far either, did you see what NYG did to the Packers last week?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 pm
and with the 3rd pick the in 2013 draft the Raiders select:Star Lotulelei DT
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
>> niners lost with a near historic defense last year. can’t win without an elite Qb anymore.
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I hate the 9ers but they lost that game on a muffed punt, all he had to do was catch the ball and they win.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
>> niners lost with a near historic defense last year. can’t win without an elite Qb anymore.
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I hate the 9ers but they lost that game on a muffed punt, all he had to do was catch the ball and they win.
>> ni man all the niners had to do was have a QB who could convert more than 1 out of 14 3rd downs. Elite Qbs are a MUST to win now.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
For every Leaf, Sanchez, or Russell you get this:
Sam Bradford, Rams (1st overall, 2010)
Matt Stafford, Lions (1st overall, 2009)
Josh Freeman, Bucs (17th overall, 2009)
Matt Ryan, Falcons (3rd overall, 2008)
Joe Flacco, Ravens (18th overall, 2008)
Jay Cutler, (11th overall, 2006)
Alex Smith, (1st overall, 2005)
Aaron Rodgers, (24th overall, 2005)
Jason Campbell, (25th overall, 2005)
Eli Manning, (1st overall, 2004)
Philip Rivers, (4th overall, 2004)
Ben Roethlisberger, (11th overall, 2004)
Carson Palmer, (1st overall, 2003)
Michael Vick, (1st overall, 2001)
Donovan McNabb, (3rd overall, 1999)
Peyton Manning, (1st overall, 1998)
Pretty awesome odds.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:12 pm
“You can’t keep all halfbacks up in a game, typically,” Knapp said. Really?
“Seeing Wisniewski’s improvement and getting the experience from when he didn’t get that experience” i get it, with more experience he is going to get more experience
“The most frustrated time I’ve had personally this year was the last drive (Sunday),” Tarver said. “I was frustrated. It was a mix. We took our turns. We took our turns doing things.” This remind me Forrest Gump.
This is pure comedy, no wonder we stink
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:12 pm
alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
For every Leaf, Sanchez, or Russell you get this:
Sam Bradford, Rams (1st overall, 2010)
Matt Stafford, Lions (1st overall, 2009)
Josh Freeman, Bucs (17th overall, 2009)
Matt Ryan, Falcons (3rd overall, 2008)
Joe Flacco, Ravens (18th overall, 2008)
Jay Cutler, (11th overall, 2006)
Alex Smith, (1st overall, 2005)
Aaron Rodgers, (24th overall, 2005)
Jason Campbell, (25th overall, 2005)
Eli Manning, (1st overall, 2004)
Philip Rivers, (4th overall, 2004)
Ben Roethlisberger, (11th overall, 2004)
Carson Palmer, (1st overall, 2003)
Michael Vick, (1st overall, 2001)
Donovan McNabb, (3rd overall, 1999)
Peyton Manning, (1st overall, 1998)
Pretty awesome odds.
>> unlikely Rm takes a Qb with a top 5 pick. He’ll take the best defensive lineman available. watch.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Raiders need to trade down and get a second round pick and with the late first rounder take the center from ALA Barret Jones. Have you guys watched Bama’s oline? totatally dominate, 300 yards rushing vs a top D in georgia. You will get to check them out again vs ND.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:14 pm
East
in one breath you prove that anything can happen in the playoffs (Niners awesome O-line gave up 6 sacks in NFC championship game).
So just GETTING to the playoffs is the thing. Once there, who knows.
And you admit the Bears, Packers, and Steelers terrible O-lines will still be in the playoffs.
O-line is a luxury, not a must have.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:14 pm
alex7= mcfadden20…lmao…zone defense is the modern defense.,,yeah look at it now…
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
For every Leaf, Sanchez, or Russell you get this:
Sam Bradford, Rams (1st overall, 2010)
Matt Stafford, Lions (1st overall, 2009)
Josh Freeman, Bucs (17th overall, 2009)
Matt Ryan, Falcons (3rd overall, 2008)
Joe Flacco, Ravens (18th overall, 2008)
Jay Cutler, (11th overall, 2006)
Alex Smith, (1st overall, 2005)
Aaron Rodgers, (24th overall, 2005)
Jason Campbell, (25th overall, 2005)
Eli Manning, (1st overall, 2004)
Philip Rivers, (4th overall, 2004)
Ben Roethlisberger, (11th overall, 2004)
Carson Palmer, (1st overall, 2003)
Michael Vick, (1st overall, 2001)
Donovan McNabb, (3rd overall, 1999)
Peyton Manning, (1st overall, 1998)
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OK now go back and name the bust for those same years.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 pm
alex7=mr=sulliv an. duh. we all know this.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Wisniewski, Veldeheer, Gallery, Jake Grove, Jake Long, Joe Thomas…
these aren’t the guys that win games in today’s NFL.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:17 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Raiders need to trade down and get a second round pick and with the late first rounder take the center from ALA Barret Jones. Have you guys watched Bama’s oline? totatally dominate, 300 yards rushing vs a top D in georgia. You will get to check them out again vs ND.
>> I don’t disagree with that strategy. have to build the lines FIRST. That Lotulelei guy is a fuking animal though and would dominate in the middle of that DLine for 10 years.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Its a hard decision as a fan…
I hate the fact that we the Oakland Raiders have gotten rid of coach after coach, never allowing continuity since Gruden
On the other hand the way the Head Coach handled the offense, scrapping an effective offense for a new scheme, only for the sake of “new” does not sit well with me.
All the great coaches work with the talent they have (see Fox using Teblow’s strengths last year, also Parcells’ teams) and do not seem to fit Round pegs in square holes.
My gut says keep him one more year to improve on talent, but I have to admit I’m not sure.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:18 pm
If you wanna win the SB you must have a solid oline. Steelers are the exception not the rule.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:17 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Raiders need to trade down and get a second round pick and with the late first rounder take the center from ALA Barret Jones. Have you guys watched Bama’s oline? totatally dominate, 300 yards rushing vs a top D in georgia. You will get to check them out again vs ND.
>> I don’t disagree with that strategy. have to build the lines FIRST. That Lotulelei guy is a fuking animal though and would dominate in the middle of that DLine for 10 years.
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Agreed the great Raider teams had hall of fame and pro-bowl linemen, we currently have NONE
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
East
since 2005, the only busts have been Leinert, Russell, and Sanchez.
That’s it.
With advanced math metrics used nowadays, 1st round QBs are a safe bet compared to every other position.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
raidertalk Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Its a hard decision as a fan…
I hate the fact that we the Oakland Raiders have gotten rid of coach after coach, never allowing continuity since Gruden
On the other hand the way the Head Coach handled the offense, scrapping an effective offense for a new scheme, only for the sake of “new” does not sit well with me.
All the great coaches work with the talent they have (see Fox using Teblow’s strengths last year, also Parcells’ teams) and do not seem to fit Round pegs in square holes.
My gut says keep him one more year to improve on talent, but I have to admit I’m not sure.
>> Raiders will have DA and knapp back next year. Run game HAS improved recently once McAnkle went down. Reese is a better runner from my view. palmer doesn’t seem like the perfect fit for the offense AND the WRs have regressed. DHB and Moore wouldn’t be #2 on a lot of teams now.WTF
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:21 pm
i will say that if reggie decides to move away from palmer and they don’t think pryor is the guy, then they shouldn’t waste this opportunity to grab a qb,
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Sanchez was the math NFL nerd’s “I told you so.”
Didn’t meet the basic metrics: 3 year starter, high accuracy, strong arm.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 pm
lol East
again, Giants O-line was ranked near to LAST last year by rushing yards, and is giving up lots of sacks this year.
They’re not that good.
Saints O-line was regarded as very average when they won it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Andre Ware (1990)
Dan McGwire (1991)
Todd Marinovich (1991)
Tommy Maddox (1992)
Rick Mirer (1993)
Jim Druckenmiller (1997)
Ryan Leaf (1998)
Tim Couch (1999)
Cade McNown (1999)
Joey Harrington (2002)
J.P. Losman (2004)
Vince Young (2006) is potentially a bust
Matt Leinart (2006) is potentially a bust
JaMarcus Russell (2007) is potentially a bust
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:25 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
there isn’t a soul here who would say u know more about football then me.
the poot-butts thing makes u sound like a little girl.
being around a long time doesn’t mean ur knowledgable.
stabler was my fav qb when i was a kid.
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Wonderful story. Nobody cares. What you know about football can fit on the end of a pin. We’ll make it fun. Each night have 5 questions about the Raiders. We’ll see who has to go look up the answers, or not. Just give up now, and save yourself the embarrassment.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Raiders need to build around Geno Smith.
When the Raiders have legit talent on D in 2014, Palmer will be too old.
Geno meets the basic metrics: high accuracy, 3-year minimum starter, great arm strength.
Also stayed solid vs top competition like Texas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:27 pm
lol eastoak
1990? 1997? That was the stone age as fast as the NFL rules have advanced offenses the last 10 years.
catch-up.
It’s not your grandpa’s NFL with today’s O-friendly rules.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
East
since 2005, the only busts have been Leinert, Russell, and Sanchez.
That’s it.
With advanced math metrics used nowadays, 1st round QBs are a safe bet compared to every other position.
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really?
tebow, quinn, young, campbell,
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 pm
alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
East
since 2005, the only busts have been Leinert, Russell, and Sanchez.
That’s it.
With advanced math metrics used nowadays, 1st round QBs are a safe bet compared to every other position.
>>raiders need an elite Qb with a first round pick not a guy who “isn’t a bust”. Raiders better just draft the best DL available or trade down like East suggested.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:29 pm
again, Giants O-line was ranked near to LAST last year by rushing yards, and is giving up lots of sacks this year.
They’re not that good.
Saints O-line was regarded as very average when they won it.
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Giants oline is solid, Saint Oline is solid why do think their QB’S never get hurt? Brees has all day to throw Manning has all day to throw.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:30 pm
EVERY playoff team except for Houston and Patriots (that crazy lucky 5th round Brady) is starting a 1st round QB.
10 out of 12.
That’s what wins with today’s O-friendly rules.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 pm
actually, incredibly, i will agree with alex7 (shoot me now).
trade palmer. convert pryor.
trade down. pick geno.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
East
since 2005, the only busts have been Leinert, Russell, and Sanchez.
That’s it.
With advanced math metrics used nowadays, 1st round QBs are a safe bet compared to every other position.
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really?
tebow, quinn, young, campbell,
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thanks Rob forgot those guys, theres just too many to name.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:33 pm
lol east
for the same reason Palmer and Fitzpatrick aren’t hurt.
Random luck.
I’ll take what the stats show (Giants O-line struggles pass-protecting this year, and couldn’t run the ball last year) over your average Joe “they’re solid because I say so” reason.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:34 pm
I dont trust Geno Smith reminds me of another Smith, Akili.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:34 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 pm
actually, incredibly, i will agree with alex7 (shoot me now).
trade palmer. convert pryor.
trade down. pick geno.
>. Trading palmer would require a trading partner. can’t think of ANY team that takes on his salary. raiders won’t pick higher than 2. jags will get that top pick, Raiders will have to lose to the panthers and Queefs to secure the 2nd pick.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:36 pm
lol, Tebow and Campbell are busts?
So if you stay in the league for a decade, win playoff games, start for multiple NFL teams…
you’re a BUST.
Oh ok.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:34 pm
I dont trust Geno Smith reminds me of another Smith, Akili
>> None of these Qbs stand out.raiders 2 better options at QB than drafting one with the 1st round pick. makes no sense to draft one of these Qbs.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:33 pm
lol east
for the same reason Palmer and Fitzpatrick aren’t hurt.
Random luck.
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Yeah luck, and Palmer will be hurt soon enough behind that crap line, just a matter of time.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:38 pm
lol east
nice race comment. Geno Smith VERY similar to Akili.
Akili started ONE year for Oregon, nothing that amazing statistically.
Smith THREE YEAR starter for West Virginia, and is breaking ALL SORTS OF PASSING RECORDS, competing vs MUCH tougher competition…
yeah, very similar.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:39 pm
alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:36 pm
lol, Tebow and Campbell are busts?
So if you stay in the league for a decade, win playoff games, start for multiple NFL teams…
you’re a BUST.
Oh ok.
>> Its not if they’re busts or not, did they live up to their draft position? with Teblow and JC the answer has to be HELL NO.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:36 pm
lol, Tebow and Campbell are busts?
So if you stay in the league for a decade, win playoff games, start for multiple NFL teams…
you’re a BUST.
Oh ok.
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Yes Tebow is a bust will never be a good let alone elite QB didnt belong in the first round to begin with and Cambell is a definite bust he is a career back up at best how did he look vs cutler on the bears.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Geno Smith
71% accuracy
40 TDs
8 ints
numbers vs Texas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State?
65% completions, 10 TDs, 2 ints
And this is chucking 40-yard throws left and right.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:36 pm
lol, Tebow and Campbell are busts?
So if you stay in the league for a decade, win playoff games, start for multiple NFL teams…
you’re a BUST.
Oh ok.
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see? this is why ur such a liar sullivan.
neither have been in the league for a decade. tebow won one game and was traded. both are considered busts, yes.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 pm
lol east
it honestly is hard to tell if you’re just THAT misinformed or a troll.
If you own a career winning record as a QB, you’re not a bust.
If you win playoff games, you’re not a bust.
If you stick around the league for 10 years, you’re not a bust.
There’s a gap between bust and elite. You somehow don’t know this.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 pm
ryan leaf and jamarcus russell started lots of games too.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 pm
guarantee the broncos fans and redskins fans believe they are busts.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:46 pm
a bust means you were EXPECTED to do more than you did.
Campbell was a 31st overall pick. That’s such a low spot for a QB, that you really aren’t expecting much more than just average ho-hum production.
Tebow, another low 1st round “just in case” pick, has already EXCEEDED his expectations with his winning record and playoff win. That’s the opposite of a bust.
If you’re expected to be great, you don’t make it past #5 overall.
You guys know (or should know) this.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:38 pm
lol east
nice race comment. Geno Smith VERY similar to Akili.
Akili started ONE year for Oregon, nothing that amazing statistically.
Smith THREE YEAR starter for West Virginia, and is breaking ALL SORTS OF PASSING RECORDS, competing vs MUCH tougher competition…
yeah, very similar.
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of course he is gonna break records when they throw every down, and that conference is garbage. If I’m not mistaken didnt Akili lead his team to the Rose Bowl with a Duck team that wasnt that great?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:47 pm
alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 pm
lol east
it honestly is hard to tell if you’re just THAT misinformed or a troll.
If you own a career winning record as a QB, you’re not a bust.
If you win playoff games, you’re not a bust.
If you stick around the league for 10 years, you’re not a bust.
There’s a gap between bust and elite. You somehow don’t know this.
>. the expectation when drafting a Qb in the first round is that he will be the FRANCHISE qb to lead your team. if a Qb leads his team to a 55-54 record in 10 years i call that a BUST.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
For every Leaf, Sanchez, or Russell you get this:
Sam Bradford, Rams (1st overall, 2010)— so-so
Matt Stafford, Lions (1st overall, 2009)— good
Josh Freeman, Bucs (17th overall, 2009)— good
Matt Ryan, Falcons (3rd overall, 2008)— very good
Joe Flacco, Ravens (18th overall, 2008)— decent
Jay Cutler, (11th overall, 2006)— mixed
Alex Smith, (1st overall, 2005)— below average
Aaron Rodgers, (24th overall, 2005)— great
Jason Campbell, (25th overall, 2005)— bust
Eli Manning, (1st overall, 2004)— very good
Philip Rivers, (4th overall, 2004)— good
Ben Roethlisberger, (11th overall, 2004)— very good
Carson Palmer, (1st overall, 2003)— good
Michael Vick, (1st overall, 2001)— mixed
Donovan McNabb, (3rd overall, 1999)— very good
Peyton Manning, (1st overall, 1998)— great
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:50 pm
no dr.
Leaf started 22 games.
Campbell? Over 70 and still in the league. You can do simple math right?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:54 pm
You say Flacco is “decent” but Freeman is “good.”
And a bust is still starting games 8 years after he was drafted. Wow.
lol. That’s all you need to know about your “scouting” and NFL IQ.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 pm
lol east
it honestly is hard to tell if you’re just THAT misinformed or a troll.
If you own a career winning record as a QB, you’re not a bust.
If you win playoff games, you’re not a bust.
If you stick around the league for 10 years, you’re not a bust.
There’s a gap between bust and elite. You somehow don’t know this.
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You sound ridicoulous Tebow went 8-8 and that was mostly the D, won 1 lucky PO game and Elway got him the fck out quick, and now he assumes his rightful role as a backup/gimmick player, and as for Cambell the guy cant hit a deep ball to save his life and is nothing more than a game manager in the Trent dilfer mold. Total bust, but I CAN believe you dont know this because your football IQ is just not very high, you must play Madden a lot.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:56 pm
manass
if you don’t know the HUGE difference between top-10 QB expectations and end of the 1st round “hope picks” like Campbell, Patrick Ramsey, and JP Losman…
then you just don’t know.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 pm
sad sad EAST
Tebow did not go 8-8.
You don’t even know who started for the Broncos the first handful of games last year?
Sad.
And their Dennis Allen D WAS RANKED IN THE BOTTOM 10 LAST YEAR.
You didn’t know that either.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 pm
sad sad EAST
Tebow did not go 8-8.
You don’t even know who started for the Broncos the first handful of games last year?
Sad.
And their Dennis Allen D WAS RANKED IN THE BOTTOM 10 LAST YEAR.
You didn’t know that either..
You don’t know a lot, but think you do.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:59 pm
alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:54 pm
You say Flacco is “decent” but Freeman is “good.”
And a bust is still starting games 8 years after he was drafted. Wow.
lol. That’s all you need to know about your “scouting” and NFL IQ.
>> if you draft a Qb in the first round and he’s not your Franchise QB leading your team then in my eyes that is a QB that never lived up to expectations and a BUST in that sense. jason campbell never led any team to anything, Teblow was 7-4 as a starter in a bad division,wooooo, cutler and alex smith have been disappointments as well. dirty sanchez, and how about carson palmer, ZERO playoff wins!! thats not living up to expectations defined right there. not a bust on a Ryan Leaf level but a failure based on expectation regardless.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Tebow 7-4 last year.
Denver 24th in points allowed.
You don’t know a lot, but think you do.
night.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:03 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 pm
sad sad EAST
Tebow did not go 8-8.
You don’t even know who started for the Broncos the first handful of games last year?
Sad.
And their Dennis Allen D WAS RANKED IN THE BOTTOM 10 LAST YEAR.
You didn’t know that either..
You don’t know a lot, but think you do.
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OK kyle orton started a few games but the bottom line is ELWAY A HOFer GOT HIM THE FCK OUT AND QUICKLY. Hmm why was that?
December 4th, 2012 at 12:05 am
alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 pm
sad sad EAST
Tebow did not go 8-8.
You don’t even know who started for the Broncos the first handful of games last year?
Sad.
And their Dennis Allen D WAS RANKED IN THE BOTTOM 10 LAST YEAR.
You didn’t know that either..
You don’t know a lot, but think you do.
>. actually Denvers defense was dominating during the ” Tebow win streak” if you’ll recall. Teblow had a 6 game win streak and that Dennis Allen coached Defense allowed 17 PPG, that won them the division
December 4th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Alex7 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Tebow 7-4 last year.
Denver 24th in points allowed.
You don’t know a lot, but think you do.
night.
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You know Stats I know the game g’nite.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:07 am
alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:56 pm
manass
if you don’t know the HUGE difference between top-10 QB expectations and end of the 1st round “hope picks” like Campbell, Patrick Ramsey, and JP Losman…
then you just don’t know.
>> what about ZERO playoff wins in 10 years in the NFL as a #1 overall pick? is that failing to meet expectations?
December 4th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 pm
lol East
again, Giants O-line was ranked near to LAST last year by rushing yards, and is giving up lots of sacks this year.
They’re not that good.
Saints O-line was regarded as very average when they won it.
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“Very average” and “even not that good” would be a HUGE upgrade for this Oline!
December 4th, 2012 at 12:08 am
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Alex7 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Tebow 7-4 last year.
Denver 24th in points allowed.
You don’t know a lot, but think you do.
night.
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You know Stats I know the game g’nite.
>> Alex 7 knows stats but doesn’t know football, he can’t see the big picture. Alex7 probably thinks palmer is having a career year based on his Pass yards but he will fail look at the context.Common sense is uncommon and people that rely on stats usually fail the common sense. Book smart with no common sense= FAIL
December 4th, 2012 at 12:10 am
only diff between denvers D this year and last is TOP with all the 3 and outs tebow had that D would get tired now with Manning sustaining drives that D is fresh period.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:13 am
>> Alex 7 knows stats but doesn’t know football, he can’t see the big picture. Alex7 probably thinks palmer is having a career year based on his Pass yards but he will fail look at the context.Common sense is uncommon and people that rely on stats usually fail the common sense. Book smart with no common sense= FAIL
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Amen brother.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:28 am
Here is a breakdown of the top 10 linemen and the round in which they were drafted:
Rank Player Team Round Drafted
1 Jason Peters Eagles Undrafted
2 Carl Nicks Saints 5
3 Evan Mathis Eagles 3
4 Nick Mangold Jets 1
5 Joe Thomas Browns 1
6 Chris Myers Texans 6
7 Marshal Yanda Ravens 3
8 Josh Sitton Packers 4
9 Bryan Bulaga Packers 1
10 Duane Brown Texans 1
December 4th, 2012 at 12:49 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:54 pm
You say Flacco is “decent” but Freeman is “good.”
And a bust is still starting games 8 years after he was drafted. Wow.
lol. That’s all you need to know about your “scouting” and NFL IQ.
goodnight from the guy who was paid by CBS Sportsline to talk sports. ooooh, name-dropper. You guys deserve it.
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yeah numnuts. flacco has had one season with over a 90 qb rating in 5.
freeman is having his 2nd in 4. freeman shows the higher upside by far.
flacco is just a good game manager.
campbell is in his 7th year and is not a starter, just b/c he started one game due to injury.
this is why ur well know as a liar. always slightly exaggerating or bending the truth or adding a little or subtracting a little to try to get under someone’s skin.
my scouting and IQ i much better and certainly more honest than urs.
u were never paid by anyone to talk sports. another lie.
ur a lying dick. must suck to be u.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:50 am
Alex7 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Tebow 7-4 last year.
Denver 24th in points allowed.
You don’t know a lot, but think you do.
night.
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tebow (who i like, but isn’t a good qb), wasn’t 7-4. the broncos were.
throwing out that number shows ur ignorance.
December 4th, 2012 at 2:08 am
The Broncos should rest Manning b/c this motely crew of losers will lose to any QB. They are the worst team in the NFL, bar none! If they were all healthy they would lose. This organization should change it’s hook to “commitment to excrement” because that his has much they SUCK!!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 2:20 am
What a week. Both my Fantasy Football Team and the Raiders were mathematically eliminated from playoff contention. At least my Fantasy team went out with a victory…
December 4th, 2012 at 2:34 am
Denver 45 Rayduhs 3. just stay in texas dennis.
December 4th, 2012 at 2:43 am
Manning better be worried. I just saw Tarver at the local Walgreens picking up a fresh pack of red sharpies. Real NFL coaches just scribble furiously on their laminated play sheet. All that screaming and yelling is overrated, really.
December 4th, 2012 at 3:17 am
[...] Raiders prepare for Broncos without coach Allen Raiders head coach Dennis Allen made it to the Dallas area soon after his team’s loss against the Browns so that he can spend time with his ailing father. Allen is expected to rejoin the Raiders on Wednesday night, in time for their game agains… [...]
December 4th, 2012 at 3:48 am
Post 720 alex gets owned again. Lol
December 4th, 2012 at 4:25 am
Well, I don’t think the team will be motivated to win one for Allen’s father. They weren’t driven enough to win a game for coach Williams, who lost his son earlier this season
I’d like to keep Reggie & Dennis. I’d like to wipe out half the players on the roster. It’s coming
Anybody with a large contract who has trade value should be on the trading block imo
Palmer, McFadden, Huff, Branch, Seymour, McClain, etc
December 4th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Until now had no opinion on Palmer but ive seen enough to know hes not the way foward ,id take Gannons attitude anyday,Palmer is not a leader and has already retired mentally,some would call it yella,hes not gonna break his ass for the team in critical situations simple as,being NICE to your WR`s when they are dropping passes all over the place is not leading,hes comfortable playing catch up knowing the d has backed-off,draft somebody to compete with Pyror and move to the future Palmer is done and is just paying lip-service to collect checks
December 4th, 2012 at 5:41 am
Man I hate negative reinforcement.
Yesterday I fell off the wagon, gambled all morning, blew off work, went to the nudey around 2, was plastered by 4pm, blew off my appts. Just an all around bad day.
Come home to check the e-mails, and I get one for a city that wants me to go setup a new plan for them and take over their old provider.
SMH…….not supposed to be how it goes. Can’t give the dog who digs in the dirt a treat!!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 5:56 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 5:56 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:25 am
Well, I don’t think the team will be motivated to win one for Allen’s father. They weren’t driven enough to win a game for coach Williams, who lost his son earlier this season
I’d like to keep Reggie & Dennis. I’d like to wipe out half the players on the roster. It’s coming
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If, at this point in the season, a player on THIS team needs extra motivation to try and win a game, well, he probably shouldn’t be here anyway.
I’m like you, Rockstar. I’d like to keep Reggie and DA around as well. Honestly, I don’t think there’s anything to worry about there unless Mark somehow channels the old man and knee-jerks us back to starting over AGAIN.
I agree with you about the roster as well. There are a lot of changes coming.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:07 am
Hwnrdr,
What time do you guys typically go into the stadium before kickoff.
I’m trying to co-oridinate my parking lot drifting, lol.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:09 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:12 am
The team fought hard at the end of 2009, when we were once 3-8, and I think they fought for Coach Cabes and he returned the next year.
Last years team folded down the stretch, and the coach was fired.
I think these last 4 games, will tell you what happens to the HC position at year end.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:17 am
That cable year was a fluke. Only reason we beat Tampa was because fargas got hurt and cable was forced to play bush, and caddy went down with an injury.
Total fluke. Cable should have been fired.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:18 am
Don’t know about the trading Palmer thing, but if it were to happen Arizona might be a landing spot. They have three QBs down there but none are any good, and at least Lindley or Skelton could sit for a year or two behind him before being tossed out there. There might be a concern with the various contracts, but sometimes these things have a way of getting worked out if both parties want it ti badly enough.
They have a crappy o-line but that can be addressed. Their defense is better than ours (who’s isn’t at this point), and at least he would have receivers that know what they’re doing out there. Fitzgerald goes and gets half those balls that Palmer gets picked off (or dropped, or the receiver simply doesn’t make a play on), and you KNOW he’s going to get targeted.
I don’t think Palmer’s going anywhere, but if they did trade him that might be a good spot.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:18 am
JFB,PARKING LOT GATES SHOULD OPEN BETWEEN 12-12:30.WE HOPE 2 B IN BY 1:00 AT THE LATEST.HOPE WE CAN MEET AT HWNRDR’S PRE-GAME..
December 4th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Total fluke. Cable should have been fired.
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The team DID improve the following year.
Keep the coach replace a co-ordinator. Exactly what you may see this offseason.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:20 am
Congrats Vegas!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:21 am
DLF,
I will make it happen. Getting in at the open, going to see my po-lice uncle early before I get too hammered, and wanted to head to your guys spot around 3-ish.
That’s the plan at least.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:22 am
AZ might be a little skiddish on trading for another QB after the Kolb disaster.
They seem like one the most likely candidates to take Geno Smith at the top of the draft.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Yes they did improve….under head coach hue, not titular head coach cable!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Trade Palmer and McFadden to the jets for a 3rd and 2nd rounder respectively.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:25 am
WERE U SITTING ?
December 4th, 2012 at 6:27 am
206 or something like that.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:29 am
I think the Jets seems the most realistic landing spot for him.
They will give Rex one more year to try to win, without Mark Sanchez, and Palmer is the type of vet who he would ride with on a one year rental.
Carson’s trade value has slipped of late, so I don’t think we can get what I initiallly wanted, which was package him and a 4th for their 1st.
We should get their 2nd straight up for him though, and we could use it not having a 2nd rounder.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:07 am
Hwnrdr,
What time do you guys typically go into the stadium before kickoff.
I’m trying to co-oridinate my parking lot drifting, lol.
Hey JFB, like Dirt Lot said, its usually 5 hrs before kickoff that the parking lot gates open. We are usually in and set up within half an hour…so I am thinking 1:00Pm as well…
December 4th, 2012 at 6:30 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:27 am
206 or something like that.
3 of my friends will be in 201
December 4th, 2012 at 6:34 am
U NEVER CAN TELL WITH MID DAY TRAFFIC AND ALL.NOTHING EVER SEEMS 2 GO AS PLANNED FOR THESE NON-SUNDAY GAMES:)
December 4th, 2012 at 6:35 am
DAMN HWNRDR,U GOT 3 FRIENDS ?? I WOULD HAVE TO DIG UP A COUPLE TO GET TO 3 !!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:35 am
I know right? We plan on being on 66th at noon and go from there…I hope it aint like Monday night…took us what? 2 hours just toget in the parking lot??? Geez…
December 4th, 2012 at 6:37 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:35 am
DAMN HWNRDR,U GOT 3 FRIENDS ?? I WOULD HAVE TO DIG UP A COUPLE TO GET TO 3 !!
LMAO!!!
Actually this is the game that my friends from Hawaii are coming also…and Ravenaider will be at my tailgate as well! I think Thursday we are gonna have at least 30 people there. My friend just bought another tent, so that makes 3!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:39 am
http://www.facebook.com/BringJohnGrudenBackToTheRaiders
Grass roots, lets get it done!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:40 am
Hey JFB, just sent you an email…
December 4th, 2012 at 6:41 am
Raiderbuck Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:39 am
http://www.facebook.com/BringJohnGrudenBackToTheRaiders
Grass roots, lets get it done!
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Assuming you created this page, you might wanna check the spelling…
December 4th, 2012 at 6:42 am
The Line I saw on Thursdays game has the Donks favored by 10 1/2 …
December 4th, 2012 at 6:42 am
WE WILL HAVE A LARGER THAN USUAL GROUP AS WELL..LET ME KNOW UR LOCAL WHEN JFB ARRIVES..
December 4th, 2012 at 6:44 am
I’m surprised the line isn’t 14 or more….
December 4th, 2012 at 6:44 am
Ok, sounds good!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:45 am
Bummer on the get drunk, gamble and go MIA
I use to have a bad problem with that only I did it every Friday.
The worse thing to ever happen in Vegas was when they put slut machines in the bar counter right in front of you.
After a few beers I could not resist and women were there mostly to gamble instead of have a good time
December 4th, 2012 at 6:47 am
darn you dak
Tom Cable rules and I hope your FF team loses
December 4th, 2012 at 6:50 am
JFB
Just don’t drive your car off the road.
That was sober bro, watch your ass. We are all human (Well Mostly)
Just roll your sleeves up and get back to work. Conytinue to get better everyday, evaluate every aspect of…..
Maybe , ah nevermind
December 4th, 2012 at 6:50 am
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/group/14891
Second annual bowl pick em contest
password is aldavis
50? games and you pick them straight up
December 4th, 2012 at 6:52 am
You can set and reset your team picks up until gametime
December 4th, 2012 at 6:58 am
It seems murder is excused when the killer is a pro athlete who has never been told no
The gun culture did it
If he did not have a gun they would be alive
the NRA is the KKK
December 4th, 2012 at 7:00 am
http://www.facebook.com/BringJohnGrudenBackToTheRaiders
had to use the ‘h’ but the page itself is correct
December 4th, 2012 at 7:01 am
Need some Raider highlites when he was coach, pics and vids, I have posted a few.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:02 am
*highlights
December 4th, 2012 at 7:02 am
December 4th, 2012 at 6:58 am
It seems murder is excused when the killer is a pro athlete who has never been told no
The gun culture did it
If he did not have a gun they would be alive
the NRA is the KKK
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Plunk
I like you and your solid posts but I respectfully have to disagree with you on this.
The STEROIDS did it!
December 4th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Traver said the have to execute they should have know that from tranning camp this team is badly coach no excuses,Look at all the other Rookies coaches they are doing ok .Mr Mr Davis need to bring back Gruden to run the show
December 4th, 2012 at 7:04 am
Conytinue to get better everyday, evaluate every aspect of…..
Maybe , ah nevermind
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LOL………living with the devil in you is not easy.
The thought of getting hammered and smoking for Thursday’s game, tempted me I guess and pushed the limits on a Monday.
But, the car is parked squarely in the driveway, so cleared that hurdle.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:07 am
Hwn,
Got it and sent you one back.
I explain further in the e-mail, but I will call you and just hang up here in a second so you have my number.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:07 am
I was repeating what the news is saying
His woman was outside playing with other men while he was out playing with other women.
His jealous meter went off and roids, alcohol and most likely drugs had a big part to play but the media is making him out to be something he is not
December 4th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Vegas send me your email please
sagetoil@aol.com
that’s a throwaway, I will reply with my main email
December 4th, 2012 at 7:09 am
The gun culture did it
If he did not have a gun they would be alive
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I hatet this rationale.
dude was a hothead, had all kinds of domestic issues going back to college, etc.
As if he had no gun, he would have agreed to disagree and asked her if they wanted to go get some bagels.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:11 am
We all know the MEDIA is full of SHVT and the sensationalize everything just to get people to tune in.
Dude had a screw loose period. Are people in the Armed Forces are commiting suicide at an alrming rate evryday!! The Media ought to try and shed some light on that instead of coddling this story. SNFH!
December 4th, 2012 at 7:13 am
http://www.facebook.com/BringJohnGrudenBackToTheRaiders
Even youtube doesn’t have much the last time the Raiders were relevant. This is disturbing,…
December 4th, 2012 at 7:14 am
Sorry about the type o’s
Sure the grammer Nazis will show up soon to correct my spelling.
This story has legs because he is in the NFL, so what! The dude killed an innocent woaman and left a kid without parents. LOSER!
December 4th, 2012 at 7:21 am
JFB.
Just be careful buddy, hope you got it out of your system, it is not worth it.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:23 am
Best wishes to Dennis Allen and his family, hope everything works out for the best, Raider fans have yor back Coach.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:28 am
Ok look frieds, I have said this about other situations in the past,..the one I brought up more then once was OJ,…ok now the truth about that Chief and his old lady hasnt come out yet,..when it does you will see I was as right as I always am,…she deserved it,…I just wonder what she told him,…one of two things,..the kid aint yours, or, you dont make enough bread for me Im going to date a star player,…I think in life sometimes people get what they deserve. Happy holidays.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Yo Marley,..you aware Dennis Allen has checked out and he and his dad are playing golf in Dallas today?…just helping you get up to speed.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Gruden talk uh?.
He definitely has some shortcomings but he damn sure can coach a football team, just as long as he finds a QB he likes and trusts, which is not easy for him.
And I don’t see how Reggie would be opposed to hire Gruden, it could actually save his own job if he can manage to co-exist with him by focusing more on the scouting and player-personnel aspect of the job.
Gruden in control of football operations as well as coaching is not the ideal situation, he needs a GM who can find him the players he wants, hopefuly Reggie can be that guy.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Hey Norco…is that you?.
Glad to see you back.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:36 am
Bob
I am not buying it. DA will be right back to work now that he has checked on his dad.
and he sure is not playing golf
December 4th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Gotta go, real longshot with Gruden and I would not get my hopes up but you never know.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:38 am
ENOUGH with the bashing…We can’t change things until the season is over.
BUT I will be there on Thursday and lets get back to playing the DAM RAIDER FOOTBALL!!! ITS TIME TO THIS THIS STARTED!!
McFadden, we need you to go off for 170+ yards and control the ball to keep Manning off the field!!!
WE can do it and lets shock the NFL and the haters in PRIME TIME!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Jesusraiderjim Says:
grammer
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Not so obvious baiting? lol
December 4th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Ya its me. Its funny Marley I dont recall you,..sorry.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Hey JFb…curious…how come you have a DC number?
December 4th, 2012 at 7:41 am
http://www.facebook.com/BringJohnGrudenBackToTheRaiders
December 4th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Yo Plunk, you have no clue,..you are one of these dudes that believes everything thats told to you,..whats reported to you,…I dont,…but I go to every game, row 1,..Im on the sidelines with Reg and Mark,..I get vibes,..I can tell DA has checked out,..about a month ago,…he already told Reg find another guy more up to this damn job,…but yes he is coming back Wednesday and coach the final month,..but hes checked out and hes gone. Youre welcome.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Even if Reggie balked at the idea of Gruden, then Mark would also need to fire Reggie…Gruden would be an excellent move. The only positive thing to keeping Reggie would be for preventing Gruden from burning out from trying to handle to much…but I say Mark should give Gruden whatever he would want, in regards to football operations
December 4th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Morning Nation. I had a bunch of issues with being able to post yesterday, anyone else? What I miss yesterday besides the usual Carson sucks, fire Allen, fire Reggie talk?
December 4th, 2012 at 7:48 am
but I say Mark should give Gruden whatever he would want, in regards to football operations
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Why though? I loved Gruden as our coach, but he won here with veteran players, and he won in Tampa with veteran players. When he started drafting for Tampa they collapsed. He hasn’t shown the ability to draft and develop young talent. Gruden would be great for fan moral, but I’m not sure he would be the best thing for the team…
December 4th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Gruden doesnt want GM duties,..he wants to coach,..ya feel me?…hes seen the likes of Shanahan, Holmgren, Reid, all of them fail miserably at that and regret it,..he just wants to storm the sidelines,..our sidelines,..its going to happen. Merry Christmas.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:49 am
I hope his father gets better, but I don’t want Titty monkey back.
Stay in Texas Titty Monkey
December 4th, 2012 at 7:50 am
bcz24 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:48 am
but I say Mark should give Gruden whatever he would want, in regards to football operations
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Why though? I loved Gruden as our coach, but he won here with veteran players, and he won in Tampa with veteran players. When he started drafting for Tampa they collapsed. He hasn’t shown the ability to draft and develop young talent. Gruden would be great for fan moral, but I’m not sure he would be the best thing for the team…
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Yeah I wouldn’t want Gruden for anything other than Head Coach. He needs a GM and Talent scout so he can focus soley on coaching.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:51 am
When I talked to Reggie Sunday on the sidelines, Mark too,..both were smiling and happy,..and not because we were 3-8 and the stadium was empty,..they know in about a month the Raiders are going to be making earth rattling news,..Grudens coming home,…all good in the hood.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:51 am
bcz24 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:48 am
but I say Mark should give Gruden whatever he would want, in regards to football operations
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Why though? I loved Gruden as our coach, but he won here with veteran players, and he won in Tampa with veteran players. When he started drafting for Tampa they collapsed. He hasn’t shown the ability to draft and develop young talent. Gruden would be great for fan moral, but I’m not sure he would be the best thing for the team…
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Because between the X’s and O’s he can flat out Coach thats why!!! and he has a good football mind. Besides who else would you suggest over Gruden?
December 4th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Raider O Says:
I hope his father gets better, but I don’t want Titty monkey back
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What is it with you and your obsession with the man’s chest? Are you a Sandusky victim?
December 4th, 2012 at 7:56 am
For all the $h!t i give this new coaching staff, they have my full support this week. Beat the damm Donkeys! I only want one more win this year and it has to be this one
December 4th, 2012 at 7:56 am
just imagine what he has come up with since then…
December 4th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Dakota Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:17 am
That cable year was a fluke. Only reason we beat Tampa was because fargas got hurt and cable was forced to play bush, and caddy went down with an injury.
Total fluke. Cable should have been fired.
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I guess the pasting of Houston the week before, and beating Denver 31-10 in Dungver were flukes too.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:58 am
GREG PAPA was just on 95.7 the game talking about this rumor.. Said last time GRUDEN came to Rickeys few yrs ago he had called papa and they all went down there.
Papa said GRUDEN openely talked about coming back to the Raiders and Papa was surpised to hear that.. Papa said Gruden described it as “UNFINISHED BUSINESS” also papa says he thinks Gruden would want to be the signal caller.
Papa then said Of course AL was still in charge, this was before the RAiders played the Redskins in that rainstorm.
in 2009 Al told Greg papa that GRUDEN had called him expressing that he wanted to come back. Jon had reached out to Al this was right before Al hired HUE in 2010. Papa said that HUE was really the coach in 2010.. but Cable had the title.
Greg told AL jokenly .. you would never hire JON back.. and AL said “im thinking about it” Im thinking about it”
Again Greg papa is saying this on 95.7 the game. Just letting u know. I really believe MARK DAVIS is gonna make a strong pitch for GRUDEN
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Confirms what I’ve been saying all along. Might be a rumor, but it’s a rumor with legs. All the nincompoop haters saying Gruden coming back has zero probability can just shut up now.
This team needs a coach players will play for and respect. DA is not that guy right now.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:58 am
Couple more quick hits before I hit the slopes…those two were also all smiles because Amy has just about got it done,..a new stadium being built on our current site,…and guess what?…Brien has a architect cuz whos involved in developing it,…so things are working out amazingly good right now,..while you mother F`rs dwell on 3-9, people like me, Brien, Amy, Reg and Mark look at the big picture. You all need to get with it.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Dakota Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:17 am
That cable year was a fluke. Only reason we beat Tampa was because fargas got hurt and cable was forced to play bush, and caddy went down with an injury.
Total fluke. Cable should have been fired.
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Maybe what you meant to say was having Cable go in waaaay undermanned with nothing to play for and out coach Gruden when Gruden was trying to get his team in the playoffs, Gruden SHOULD have been fired. And rightfully was.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Bob I admit I am not at the games and I may be half clueless and I may not have the life I use to but at least I have the balls to admit it instead of doing as you do.
Pretending you have a life while spending all your time at Jerryblog insulting others and bragging about how cool you are is a pathetic picture no matter how many 4 teamers you hit or insiders you bang in your beech fantasies
December 4th, 2012 at 8:01 am
5 losses in a row really taking it’s toll on this blog’s conversation.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Another good thing about re-hiring Gruden, is that he will not hire pluggs like Knapp & Tarver!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Confirms what I’ve been saying all along. Might be a rumor, but it’s a rumor with legs. All the nincompoop haters saying Gruden coming back has zero probability can just shut up now.
This team needs a coach players will play for and respect. DA is not that guy right now.
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Then that is not Jon Gruden. Gruden is a guy that lives and dies with football. Jon watches tape 19-20 hours a day. He loves it. But Jon has a hard time relating to players and others that aren’t watching tape 20 hours a day.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:06 am
The Gruden story just hit both radio stations down here. One of the guys from PFW was on. Charger fans are ticked, they were praying for him to come to SD. The guy from PFW said info is from credible sources.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Yea Mark!!! Open the Bank Book For Gruden!!! COMMON!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Boss01 Says:
Confirms what I’ve been saying all along. Might be a rumor, but it’s a rumor with legs. All the nincompoop haters saying Gruden coming back has zero probability can just shut up now.
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Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd 12h
Coming from someone who actually knows a little bit about Gruden, fair or not, felt burned in Oakland and Tampa Bay. Wants perfect scenario.
It’s not hating. It’s just not going to happen.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Then that is not Jon Gruden. Gruden is a guy that lives and dies with football. Jon watches tape 19-20 hours a day. He loves it. But Jon has a hard time relating to players and others that aren’t watching tape 20 hours a day.
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Gruden’s name is respected in the NFL. Young guys will respect. Dennis Allen has to work to earn it, and getting beat down each week doesn’t earn anything but criticism and second guessing
December 4th, 2012 at 8:09 am
812.Seymour Bush Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Confirms what I’ve been saying all along. Might be a rumor, but it’s a rumor with legs. All the nincompoop haters saying Gruden coming back has zero probability can just shut up now.
This team needs a coach players will play for and respect. DA is not that guy right now.
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Then that is not Jon Gruden. Gruden is a guy that lives and dies with football. Jon watches tape 19-20 hours a day. He loves it. But Jon has a hard time relating to players and others that aren’t watching tape 20 hours a day.
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Players will play their tails off for fear of losing their jobs. Every coach watches tape as much. Every coach puts in the work. Some are just coordinator material, not cut out to lead 53 men. DA is the coordinator type, just like Norv Turner, Jason Garrett, Wade Phillips, etc.
This team needs a real HC. One that is a proven play caller so that tard Krapp can be shown the door.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:10 am
RaidingTexas Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Boss01 Says:
Confirms what I’ve been saying all along. Might be a rumor, but it’s a rumor with legs. All the nincompoop haters saying Gruden coming back has zero probability can just shut up now.
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Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd 12h
Coming from someone who actually knows a little bit about Gruden, fair or not, felt burned in Oakland and Tampa Bay. Wants perfect scenario.
It’s not hating. It’s just not going to happen.
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What! You a Charger Fan?
December 4th, 2012 at 8:13 am
There are a few bloggers that have come to the realization that more coaching changes will do far more harm than good.
I have never wanted all the changes that have occurred since I still believe coaching is only about 20% of the equation when it comes to winning games.
Let’s try this logic:
Callahan, Turner, Shell (Part2),Kiffin,Cable, Jackson, “COACH DAVIS”, DA and another 50 or so assissants were all unable to achieve a winning record over a decade of time.
Many of you attributed that to antiquated schemes and lack of football acumen.
Do you REALLY think that with all that COACHING churn and still getting poor to mediocre results that a LACK OF TALENT IS THE PRIMARY PROBLEM???????
It has to be obvious by now to even the average fan that we do not have the on the field talent to compete in the NFL.
The makeover we are going through requires coaching stability not instability.
Let’s try a different approach since what most of you are suggesting HAS NOT WORKED FOR TEN YEARS!!!!!
Please, let’s draft some talent especially along the lines and see how smart Knapp, Allen and Tarver become.
PS I think Gruden is a great coach.
Gruden’s input got us with first and second round picks the following:
DT Darrell Russell DT Leon Bender(passed away before playing for us) OT Stinchcomb, DE Tony Bryant third rounder Jon Ritchie.
SEE THE FOCUS?????
BLOCKING AND TACKLING. BUILD THE LINES AND THE WINS WILL FOLLOW.
He won with a free agent cast off in Gannon and Zack Crockett and TY Wheatley running the ball.
Great lines win games!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Plunk,..simmer down man,..Iv never once lied about what I say I do here,..not one time,..Albert Sunday night asked me to prove who I say Im on the sidelines with,..I did,..maybe he can forward you the pics,…sounds like you need a hot chocolate and a couple Norcos,..I can help you if you need some. Word.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:16 am
RaiderTexas,..you really are an idiot,..you really consider a Tweet by Jerry Mac as the word of God?…Jerry knows less about the inner goings of the Raiders then you do. Oh man you hit a new blog low.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Guys, I know we need something positive to focus on regarding the Raiders but GRUDEN IS NOT COMING BACK TO COACH THE RAIDERS. I wish he would but the reality is he is a egomaniac that like to have his ego stroked and his name being thrown into coversations about coaching jobs just further inflates his head. Sorry.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Ddwight Says:
What! You a Charger Fan?
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How does not getting sucked into unsubstantiated rumors = being a Charger fan?
I don’t have any problem with Gruden, although I think his coaching prowess is very overstated. His success had a lot to do with Gannon playing like an MVP, and using Dungee’s players and the Raiders playbook to win a Super Bowl.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:18 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
you really consider a Tweet by Jerry Mac as the word of God?
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And you consider “scuttlebutt” on PFW as the word of your god? STFU man
December 4th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Ok Im better ABP send me those pics would you?
December 4th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Sorry dude,..dont even know what PFW means,..is that some website?…I get my info from Alameda, from people, not websites,..try harder dude, youre sinking.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:21 am
I don’t have any problem with Gruden, although I think his coaching prowess is very overstated. His success had a lot to do with Gannon playing like an MVP, and using Dungee’s players and the Raiders playbook to win a Super Bowl.
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We had great talent, but he still got the most out of them, even with Chuck Bresnehan on the other side.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Im on the sidelines for KC too Plunk,…are you local?…come to our tailgate and meet Brien and I and Hawaiin dude,..and some others,..lots of premium yellow pills will be available. Word.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
Guys, I know we need something positive to focus on regarding the Raiders but GRUDEN IS NOT COMING BACK TO COACH THE RAIDERS.
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Man, just let them believe this “scuttlebutt”. It will be so gawddam fun to pile on their sorry, pathetic disappointed azzes when the reality sets in by spring.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Texas retard,..some here dream of Aprils draft, others dream of Gruden coming home,..I choose the latter. Im at every game dude, you arent. So relax.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:24 am
RaidingTexas Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Ddwight Says:
What! You a Charger Fan?
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How does not getting sucked into unsubstantiated rumors = being a Charger fan?
I don’t have any problem with Gruden, although I think his coaching prowess is very overstated. His success had a lot to do with Gannon playing like an MVP, and using Dungee’s players and the Raiders playbook to win a Super Bowl.
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Did he not have to know how to use and impliment plays for Gannon to be successfull?? What was Gannon before he played for Gruden? Was Gannon a star-or-MVP?? Go ahead think what you want. I know the guy can COACH!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Hey fact or fiction Jon Gruden still loves the Raiders, I can’t agree with Jerry Mac about Gruden being bitter against Oakland. Why would he come to our stadium and light a torch dedicated to the guy who traded him? Mark Davis knows the Raiders are in trouble….fanbase moral is at an all time low…
December 4th, 2012 at 8:25 am
The Raiders need $$$$…Jon Gruden will bring it
December 4th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Jon was bitter,..at Al,..Als gone,…no more bitterness,..just homesickness,…its going to happen.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Nice post Charlie
That’s why I liked Cable so much. I would have liked to seen Hue stay as well.
But there are very good reasons why new GM’s hire a new coach, unfortuntly for Hue, his big chance came at the wrong time and it was not to be.
Misfortune smiles on everyone at times
December 4th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Greg Knapp will be Head Coach for the remainder of the season.
There, now i p!$$ed on everyones parade.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:28 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:51 am
When I talked to Reggie Sunday on the sidelines, Mark too,..both were smiling and happy,..and not because we were 3-8 and the stadium was empty,..they know in about a month the Raiders are going to be making earth rattling news,..Grudens coming home,…all good in the hood.
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Except there’s zero chance of that happening. I doubt Reggie and Mark are smiling at an empty stadium either. None of this makes any sense on any level.
word
December 4th, 2012 at 8:29 am
The_Judge37 Says:
Greg Knapp will be Head Coach for the remainder of the season.
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Raiders just issued statement that he will be back Thursday despite the passing of his father.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:29 am
I would like to stop by the tailgate someday.
But you promised 3 years ago to punch me in the face if you ever see me.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Da didnt even talk to his team before leaving??? Weird. Most guys would say somthing and ask that they circle the wagons and pray for his family.. way to build relationships and chemistry coach..
December 4th, 2012 at 8:30 am
PS I think Gruden is a great coach.
Gruden’s input got us with first and second round picks the following:
DT Darrell Russell DT Leon Bender(passed away before playing for us) OT Stinchcomb, DE Tony Bryant third rounder Jon Ritchie.
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Gruden has an eye for talent. Bringing in Gannon proves that. Reggie would be the one picking players under the scenario that Gruden comes back unless Mark shows him the door and gives Gruden GM duties as well which I don’t envision happening.
Reggie has stated he has built the backbone of the organization which is his scouting department, that is where it all starts. Jury is still out whether he picked the right guys.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Raiders just issued statement that he will be back Thursday despite the passing of his father.
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They should just let Greg Knapp coach on Thursday. He can’t possibly screw it up worse than DA. So we lose by 30 instead of just 20. BFD. Let the man greive.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Gruden has an eye for talent. Bringing in Gannon proves that. Reggie would be the one picking players under the scenario that Gruden comes back unless Mark shows him the door and gives Gruden GM duties as well which I don’t envision happening.
Reggie has stated he has built the backbone of the organization which is his scouting department, that is where it all starts. Jury is still out whether he picked the right guys.
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Good points, Still think Reggie and Jon could work together like Bruce and Jon did previously.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:33 am
guest123 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Raiders just issued statement that he will be back Thursday despite the passing of his father.
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They should just let Greg Knapp coach on Thursday. He can’t possibly screw it up worse than DA. So we lose by 30 instead of just 20. BFD. Let the man greive.
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Becareful what you wish for.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Gruden having an eye for talent is very debatable.
He never proved it on draft day
December 4th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Prayers to DA and his family! I agree Guest, let the man Grieve!
December 4th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Ya well its once again flattering that everything I say, from years ago, you people remember,..Plunk,..its a parking lot,..people get their grills blasted there all the time,..just dont piss me off.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Never proved it on draft day?…you think Al Davis ever even let Jon in the war room on draft day? LMAO
December 4th, 2012 at 8:41 am
And those goofballs in Tampa were worse then Al. And Jon knows that fool Jeff in Philly real well, well enough to know to NEVER work for him.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Plunketthead Says:
Gruden having an eye for talent is very debatable.
He never proved it on draft day
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Tui hater alert!!! LOL
December 4th, 2012 at 8:41 am
I was joking, repeating what Vegas said. But you do seem to have a penchant for threatning people with a punch to the nose
December 4th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Im heading to Mont Bleu for a Bloody Mary,…last night there the line on thursdays game was 12.5…dang.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:42 am
I dont make threats.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:44 am
I was mostly thinking about Tampoon bay where John may have had more input. We know that for the most part Al did the picking and coach got to talk about the picks.
So how did he do in TB? Not very well especially at QB
December 4th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Scroll up dude, I told you those dudes in Tampa were worse.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:46 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Sorry dude,..dont even know what PFW means,..is that some website?…I get my info from Alameda, from people, not websites,..try harder dude, youre sinking.
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Hey man, I just gotta know…Are you for real or just blowin smoke man? No, you know what? I don’t even Give a Sh*t…..Cause just thinking about it makes me happy. Christmas sure was alot more fun when I believeed Santa was real…..that’s for sure.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:47 am
I will repeat this one final time,…Jon Gruden,..brought the Raiders back from the dead,..and got a championship to the only other team he coached,…ok?…if that doesnt tell you about Jon Gruden then you have a personal hatred for him,..Jon Gruden is dynamic and about 28 other teams would fire who they got if Jon would coach their team. Adios, Im going out to play in the snow.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Its a promise, not a threat?
You hear that Vegas? Keep your hands out of your pockets, don’t shake hands and stay a shovels length away from bob
Im just pulling your leg like when I feed the trolls
December 4th, 2012 at 8:51 am
834.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Jon was bitter,..at Al,..Als gone,…no more bitterness,..just homesickness,…its going to happen.
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I remember draft day a few yr’s. ago on ESPN and Gruden was on it and they were making fun of Al and his penchant for speed guys and for drafting Jamarcus and were thinking Gruden was gonna go along with the joking and Gruden stopped ‘em and said “Hey Al Davis is a hall of famer, the man knows football” and they shut up.
I remember thinking how cool it was given what went down that Gruden was still sticking up for him.
Gruden tries not to burn bridges.
He even joked how the Raiders got him fired from his job at Tampa by knocking him out of playoff contention that last game of 2008(?) when Jamarcus and Bush led the way in a 4th quarter comeback victory.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:52 am
I am not anti Gruden, He would be a fantastic hire.
If Mark hired Gruden I would be tickled to death. As a matter of fact I wish he would hire him, I hope he hires him.
But I wont believe it until it actually happens and it wont mean we are going to the SB anytime soon
December 4th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Dennis Allen’s father passed away this morning. Rip
December 4th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Hc john gruden?
Oc andy reid?
Dc monte kiffin?
Alot of possiblilties based on past relationships
But i sady still think it will be
Da
knapp
tarver
December 4th, 2012 at 8:55 am
But I wont believe it until it actually happens and it wont mean we are going to the SB anytime soon
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Same here, but I would be OK with the “Any time soon” part because, with Gruden here, I’d feel like it was an inevitability…That we WOULD get there eventually. Any other coach that comes and goes, we just never know, well until about week 5-6 anyway…. I’d be tickled as sh*t if Gruden came back man.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:55 am
I don’t have any problem with Gruden, although I think his coaching prowess is very overstated. His success had a lot to do with Gannon playing like an MVP
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Lol! Some of you are funny!
December 4th, 2012 at 8:56 am
aldavis4prez Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Dennis Allen’s father passed away this morning. Rip
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Gotta be a sick feeling when you are the HC, your team is 3-9 and your dad dies
December 4th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Alot of possiblilties based on past relationships
But i sady still think it will be
Da
knapp
tarver
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I dunno man, I think at the very least, Knapp will be gone; possibly Tarver. I’d put my money on Gregger but who knows, they could ALL be swept off.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Sometime Friday night, Steve Corkran will have a new post informing everyone that DA’s father passed away.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:58 am
When it was rumored Gruden was going to the Vols for the past few months guys came out of the woodwork with supposed “proof” he was on his way. People saying he enrolled his kids at Knoxville schools, realtors were supposedly showing them new homes etc.
The Gruden watch was entertaining to say the least.
The Vols blogs went nuts when Gruden wore an orange necktie on an mnf broadcast.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:00 am
1. David Shaw
2. Brian Kelly
3. Jon Gruden
4. Jim Mora Jr
5. Nick Saban
6. Vic Fangio
December 4th, 2012 at 9:02 am
First time I read lengthy commentary by Tarver, wow, he is a high school coach…
The Raiders allowed 475 yards against a 3-8 Browns “Defensively, we played with passion,” Tarver said.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:03 am
865.boss01 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:56 am
aldavis4prez Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Dennis Allen’s father passed away this morning. Rip
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Gotta be a sick feeling when you are the HC, your team is 3-9 and your dad dies
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..and your owner is getting in your face telling you “it’s not good enough”, and people are questioning whether it was the right decision to fire Hue Jackson in favor of you, and you’ve got players getting in your face and challenging you.
There have been happier days for Mr. Allen i’m sure.
For us too. That’s for dang sure.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:03 am
RIP to DA’s father, DA seems like the kind of guy that’ll handle this situation with class
December 4th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Brian Kelly is not going to Oakland….he already has the best job in the world.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:04 am
1. David Shaw
2. Brian Kelly
3. Jon Gruden
4. Jim Mora Jr
5. Nick Saban
6. Vic Fangio
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Kelly in his first year with ND right? Do you think he’d really bail after 1 if they win the Natty?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:04 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Prayers to DA and his family! I agree Guest, let the man Grieve!
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Yes, there are some things more important than football. Family trumps everything. I would not be disappointed at all if DA took this week off entirely. Until you have actually lost your father or mother (I’ve lost both already) you don’t know how important that grieving time is.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Tarver needs to go, the D has gotten worse as the season has progressed. No pressure, few turnovers, give up points like a fiesta…Knapp sucks, but Tarver is not prepared for this, he is outcoached every single sunday, I think the D players have checed out and are trying to play by themselves outside the system….
Tarver needs some more years as an assistant…
December 4th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Whether it’s Chucky (I wear a Raider sunvisor and NIKE pullover in his honour to this day still) or someone else, the Raiders need an HC with experience and a successful record for credibility sakes.
With 10 years of successive aimless, wandering, non achieving teams being fielded annually lead by stooge/lacky coaches, the re-assuring presence of a solid Field General would help out the players…and the fans.
I generally don’t like marketing moves being disguised as personnel moves. But getting Chucky would be a great PR move for sure and “should” translate into success on the field.
And with limited existing talent, cap space, draft picks etc., making an immediate impact in Free Agency and/or the Draft is going to be difficult.
Bringing in a rock star HC would probably be the most effective you of your resources at this point in time?
Mark is new at his position, same with Reggie, so having an HC a la Chucky, Holmgren, etc type I think would really help.
I kinda feel bad for DA. I support him but I definitely don’t agree with a lot of what he did. But maybe this wasn’t the easiest/best situation for a first time HC to come into?
I just want what’s best for the Raiders so they can be the franchise they should be.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:06 am
870.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:02 am
First time I read lengthy commentary by Tarver, wow, he is a high school coach…
The Raiders allowed 475 yards against a 3-8 Browns “Defensively, we played with passion,” Tarver said.
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He’s losing me with that stuff. Talk about putting lipstick on a pig.
I hate it when a team or unit is crap and some coach tells me it isn’t.
475 yd’s given up to a team that offense isn’t even their strength.
Weeden throws for 361…has a career day and the Browns win their first road game in 12 tries…
Figures it would come against us.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Gruden having an eye for talent is very debatable.
He never proved it on draft day
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Al made the picks when Gruden was here….and then he lost 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders for himself when he went to TB.
I think his drafting skills are unknown at this point.
I would rather just have him coach though….too many hats = not spending enough time on any one area.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:08 am
theghostronin79 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:04 am
1. David Shaw
2. Brian Kelly
3. Jon Gruden
4. Jim Mora Jr
5. Nick Saban
6. Vic Fangio
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Kelly in his first year with ND right? Do you think he’d really bail after 1 if they win the Natty?
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This is his 3rd year at ND.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Man, DA was not the man for the job, he picked scrap heap coordinators and Reggie game him a paper thin roster…
bring in a vet coach to set this locker room right. this are still your Tommy Kelly Raiders. undisciplined, effort in spurts, expecting to be home early january, check cashers…
December 4th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Kelly in his first year with ND right? Do you think he’d really bail after 1 if they win the Natty?
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3rd year, don’t know if any of these guys would coach the Raiders but it’s a much more attractive job with al gone…
December 4th, 2012 at 9:10 am
What’s telling to me is the Tarver comment that “you can’t really be ready for Peyton Manning”.
Like hell you can’t! What the heck they pay you for? Admitting you aren’t good enough to coach at this level? I applaud the candor, but waving the white flag like that does nothing for morale.
Can this bum Tarver already!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Figures it would come against us.
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Doesn’t it always? Rookies have their breakout games against us….Teams snap rediculous losing streaks…..QB’s in a slump find their “Mojo” again.
Always, Always….It’s not a damn surprise anymore.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Can we get rich Gannon to coach our wide receivers? somebody needs to yell at those jokers..
December 4th, 2012 at 9:11 am
878.
I agree, what a stupid thing to say. I don’t mind as much when Mike Huff starts going on about a top 5 defense, he’s supposed to be stupid. But i expect more from a coach. Just say the truth, we were so focused on not getting gashed by TR, that we let 46 year old Rookie Brandon Weeden do whatever he wanted
December 4th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Prayers and thoughts to DA and his family…
At the end of the day, football is just a game, and we are all human..
December 4th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Put it in da air Green party!
There was some valid second-guessing of Dennis Allen’s decision to continue on for a touchdown while trailing 20-10 instead of taking a field goal and going for an onsides kick for a chance to tie. By the time the Raiders scored, the game was over. Offensive game plan abandoned the run as if the makeup margin was 20 points instead of 10.
Grade: D
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Even Jerry Mac knows DA isn’t NFL HC material.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Al made the picks when Gruden was here….and then he lost 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders for himself when he went to TB.
I think his drafting skills are unknown at this point.
I would rather just have him coach though….too many hats = not spending enough time on any one area
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the same should go for any hc, they should have input but coaches should coach gm’s should be gm’s
December 4th, 2012 at 9:13 am
RIP Dennis Allen’s Dad….
December 4th, 2012 at 9:15 am
How about Tim Brown as receivers coach and Gannon as QB coach?
Those two know quite a bit about their respective positions…
Love listening to Gannon on Sirius, but who ever gave Adam Schein a broadcasting postion? They must never had heard his voice before hiring him… Dude is annoying!!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Some are on here saying coaching doesn’t matter and that it’s all the players.
There’s truth to that to a degree, but i think a good coach is one who can inspire and motivate a team to play better than what they are..or at least maximize their talents.
If you’ve got a coach who players WANT to win for they will go that extra effort in making tackles or big plays and go beyond just “doing their job”.
Raiders look like they are just going thru the motions most of the time.
Sure, they are trying to win and they don’t have alot of talent, but i know some coaches truly motivate a team to give the extra effort needed to win games.
You hear about it all the time on nfln shows where they talk about how certain coaches motivated the team and players to lay it all on the line for the team and how it was one of the biggest factors to their success etc.
Of course talent trumps effort but when you have both it’s tuff to beat.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Guest123 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:04 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Prayers to DA and his family! I agree Guest, let the man Grieve!
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Yes, there are some things more important than football. Family trumps everything. I would not be disappointed at all if DA took this week off entirely. Until you have actually lost your father or mother (I’ve lost both already) you don’t know how important that grieving time is.
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I would not be disappointed at all if DA never comes back.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Team should tell Dennis to take the week off.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:16 am
I would not be disappointed at all if DA never comes back.
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ouch
December 4th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Hire Romo as LB’s coach / nutrition advisor.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:17 am
guest123 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:04 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Prayers to DA and his family! I agree Guest, let the man Grieve!
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Yes, there are some things more important than football. Family trumps everything. I would not be disappointed at all if DA took this week off entirely. Until you have actually lost your father or mother (I’ve lost both already) you don’t know how important that grieving time is.
Yup…my two are hanging on! Dad can’t walk anymore, and mom has very bad Alzheimers! But still glad that they are both around!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Guest123 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:04 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Prayers to DA and his family! I agree Guest, let the man Grieve!
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Yes, there are some things more important than football. Family trumps everything. I would not be disappointed at all if DA took this week off entirely. Until you have actually lost your father or mother (I’ve lost both already) you don’t know how important that grieving time is.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I would not be disappointed at all if DA never comes back.
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I 2nd that brother from another mother
December 4th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Hire Knapp as team jock strap washer…
December 4th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Some are on here saying coaching doesn’t matter and that it’s all the players.
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So Art Shell and B&B were not to blame?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Guest123 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:10 am
What’s telling to me is the Tarver comment that “you can’t really be ready for Peyton Manning”.
Like hell you can’t! What the heck they pay you for? Admitting you aren’t good enough to coach at this level? I applaud the candor, but waving the white flag like that does nothing for morale.
Can this bum Tarver already!
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Very put off by that comment. Is this really the message and mentality that you want to relay to your team? F#ck Peyton Manning. Go after him, take his head off, disrupt his rhythm. Do or say whatever, anything except conceding to Manning before the game even starts. Now I see why DA hired this clown. Cut from the same cloth.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Is it just me, or is there something more sinister going on with DA and the players?
Even as recent as last week, I was convinced he’d be back as HC next year (and I’m OK with that) but now…
- getting completely over matched in games and losing
(first year, cap space issues or not…that just can’t happen at a professional level, it just can’t)
- the Rolando situation
- leaving the team and not telling the players
- The “Hair” Apparent’s rants and subsequent Chucky rumours…..not so sure all of a sudden?
Something’s wrong/not quite right here.
He was a rookie HC hired by a rookie GM who was hired by a rookie owner. Not the optimal situation.
If he had kept the offense in tact by utilising Al Saunders as the OC, he’d have my complete support and I think he’d be subject to a lot less scrutiny? IMO. But at this point, it’s useless to debate that anymore.
*for whatever it’s worth at this time, I honestly think that if we had a competent offense this year, those early Denver and Miami games might have turned out different and the season might have evolved in a different way? who knows?
If he’s retained and gets a fresh start next year with a “new” roster..that’s OK with me. But if he’s whacked, best of luck DA, no venom on my end, just the wrong situation for you. I’m sure he’ll do OK somewhere else.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Romo as team pharmacist, LBs coach, and team psychologist…
nice!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:22 am
899.Raider-in-PA Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Hire Knapp as team jock strap washer…
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..and when players complain that their balls are falling off becuz of his shoddy jock strap washing Knapp can say “Hey..let’s try and have some perspective here for a minute”.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Sya what you want about DA! I mean, it is rightfully deserved considering the product we all seen this year…but there comes a time when everyone deserves a little resect. Today is his.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Romo as a team pharmicist? LOL
December 4th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Good morning Mr. Prez.
I’m done with this season. I’m focused on the draft. We have a lot of needs, so I doubt we can fix them all in one offseason.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:24 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Sya what you want about DA! I mean, it is rightfully deserved considering the product we all seen this year…but there comes a time when everyone deserves a little resect. Today is his.
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Yep. thoughts and prayers to Dennis Allen and his family. RIP DA’s dad. Not saying we shouldn’t take him off the coaching hotseat. But for today, this week we should back off and show some support and respect#
December 4th, 2012 at 9:24 am
da’s a gamble because he’s never been a head coach before. seems like he’s making the right moves but can he inspire/motivate?
you bring a guy like Shaw, Kelly, Saban, or Mora these guys get the most out of their talent and have been head coaches so given time you’re confident they’ll right the ship
a guy like fangio is a gamble but he’s coached under Harbaugh so you hope he can bring some of that to the table
grudens a risk because he’s been out of the game so long you wonder if his ideas and coaching staff will be outdated, but you love that he’ll have something to prove with and understanding and love of the Raider culture as well as instant respect from players
December 4th, 2012 at 9:24 am
I think that DA should just take the rest of the year off. Deal with family issues. Get his mind and spirit right. I wish him the best in this life. But the Oakland Raiders certainly need to start focusing on their next HC.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:25 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Sya what you want about DA! I mean, it is rightfully deserved considering the product we all seen this year…but there comes a time when everyone deserves a little resect. Today is his.
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Which is why i’m choosing to focus my hate on Tarver and Knapp for today. A loss to the Donkeys tomorrow means it’s on for everyone again. No Mercy
December 4th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Family does trump everything, and I do send my prayers to DA and his family, but I’ve been grieving since week 1 too.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Hey DMAC, are you there on Thursday?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:29 am
..and when players complain that their balls are falling off becuz of his shoddy jock strap washing Knapp can say “Hey..let’s try and have some perspective here for a minute”.
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The itching and feeling that your balls are in an Inferno will pass. It just takes patience…Everybody calm down…
LMAO
December 4th, 2012 at 9:29 am
I send out my best wishes to DA and his family as they cope with a situation like this. Very sad.
I almost wouldn’t be surprised if he resigned with the way things were going and now this kick to the gut?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:29 am
I don’t believe watching film with idiots like Knapp and Tarver will be helpful in anyway. This team needs a movie night. Take them to watch Rocky or The Replacements or something.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:30 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:22 am
899.Raider-in-PA Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Hire Knapp as team jock strap washer…
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..and when players complain that their balls are falling off becuz of his shoddy jock strap washing Knapp can say “Hey..let’s try and have some perspective here for a minute”.
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Look at the progress we are showing guys! It took 2 days for your balz to fall off this time….thats better than 1 day!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:30 am
If you listen carefully to what Tarver said he also refers to PLAYER ACQUISITION as one of the things that will be done in the offseason.
The coaches have been as professional and cordial as possible in answering the media regarding what we all know.
Our on field talent is way below NFL average at most positions.
As I said coaching stability is what is needed-not instability.
Mr Davis would never acknowledge that he had regressed in his talent acquisition capability.
The coaching churn for the last decade and THE RESULTS speak for themselves.
NO TALENT NO WINS.
That is why Reggie had to blow up the entire scouting department and buy computers.
It is also why this is a 3-5 year project.
It is also why you could never get an experienced HC to take the job last year. EVERYONE KNEW HOW BAD IT WAS.
AT LEAST WE ARE UNDERWAY WITH A REAL REBUILDING JOB.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:30 am
theghostronin79 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:29 am
..and when players complain that their balls are falling off becuz of his shoddy jock strap washing Knapp can say “Hey..let’s try and have some perspective here for a minute”.
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The itching and feeling that your balls are in an Inferno will pass. It just takes patience…Everybody calm down…
LMAO
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Fans: They just need better washing machines in Oakland
December 4th, 2012 at 9:31 am
A loss to the Donkeys is a garantee… The Tarver kid thinks this has been a really unique season on and off the field. I have no idea what he means by that, it seems like a good ol season to me, no coaching firings at mid season, no jaw breaking of other coaches, no fighting between HC and owner…
Tarver is a high school coach.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:32 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:29 am
I don’t believe watching film with idiots like Knapp and Tarver will be helpful in anyway. This team needs a movie night. Take them to watch Rocky or The Replacements or something.
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Lol!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:31 am
A loss to the Donkeys is a garantee… The Tarver kid thinks this has been a really unique season on and off the field. I have no idea what he means by that, it seems like a good ol season to me, no coaching firings at mid season, no jaw breaking of other coaches, no fighting between HC and owner…
Tarver is a high school coach.
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Flag football Coach is more like it the way he has guys tackling
December 4th, 2012 at 9:33 am
I have no doubt Mark and Reggie are second guessing the decision to fire Hue and bring in DA.
Despite what alot of guys say they did not plan on it going down this way. Guys were saying this was all part of the plan and 3-9 expected… seeing as it’s the 1st yr. of a massive rebuild, but hearing Mark’s comments suggest otherwise.
Unless Mark is pretending to be upset…. if this was supposed to be a rebuild yr. than either Reggie forgot to tell Mark or he bullcrapped him., and the thing is these guys talk every other day.
Whatever they were thinking this season would be…it wasn’t THIS.
With Mark’s tenuous situation with the stadium issue etc. this is a bad time to be having blackouts at home and be widely considered to be the worst team in football.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:31 am
A loss to the Donkeys is a garantee… The Tarver kid thinks this has been a really unique season on and off the field. I have no idea what he means by that, it seems like a good ol season to me, no coaching firings at mid season, no jaw breaking of other coaches, no fighting between HC and owner…
Tarver is a high school coach.
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yea no schit what’s so unique the mcclain situation what else? he’s lucky he isn’t coaching the eagles, or the jets
December 4th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Dream team coaching staff!
HC: Gruden
OC: Norv (hell of a offensive mind, sucks as a HC)
DC: Rex Ryan (might be reaching though)
December 4th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Grady Allen…former NFL player….only 66 years old….that is too young to die in this day and age.
RIP
December 4th, 2012 at 9:35 am
At this point there is nothing about this team that is defensable. I would be upset if NO ONE is retained from the owner to the part time receptionist at the ticket office. I don’t care. I am so sick of the blame finger pointed to this or that. Listen. The players suck. All 53 of em. There is nothing they do on the field that can dispute that. The coaches all suck. Nothing they are doing is defensable. I can’t say if Reggie sucks or not because the guy started with half the chips, and he was dealt have a sh1tty hand. No one could have succeeded in his shoes. Don’t care if he stays or goes.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:36 am
if gruden comes back to coach the the staff could include
HC Gruden
OC Hue
December 4th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Say what you want about these coaches (and hey, their actions have lead to a lot of scrutiny on themselves, so no sympathy). But, think about this:
- for the years the Raiders have been unsuccessful/underachieving with all these supposed “talented” guys. I get nauseated listening to the annual prognosticators saying the ol’; “if the Raiders can put it all together/they’re the most talented team in the League” and then they always finsihed 5-11, 8-8. I’m sick of it.
- this culture of being apologists for the players and having stooge-lackey coaches take the blame has lead nowhere and has to stop.
- as much as DA and his staff have underwhelmed, changing the players and the staff this off-season isn’t going to tell us anything or get us closer to solving the problem. One of them has to stay constant so we can move forward.
- I don’t know if they deserve it, but maybe siding with them and getting rid of the nonachiever players will get this turned around?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Our condolences from the Raider Nation!
Now lets beat those Donks this week!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Unless Mark is pretending to be upset…. if this was supposed to be a rebuild yr. than either Reggie forgot to tell Mark or he bullcrapped him., and the thing is these guys talk every other day.
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Great point. Someone yesterday was making the argument that ‘of course Reggie said we can compete. What else is he going to say?’ I agree with you that Mark’s reaction indicates otherwise and he would not be responding in this way if Reggie had talked him down off his expectations.
Know-it-alls in here said they knew this was coming and no other outcome was possible this year. Reggie and Mark apparently were not informed.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:40 am
“snap his neck, snap his neck”
December 4th, 2012 at 9:40 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Hey DMAC, are you there on Thursday?
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I think so
Ill know fasho 2morrow
December 4th, 2012 at 9:40 am
javier Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Our condolences from the Raider Nation!
Now lets beat those Donks this week!
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Go Broncos! Draft position and new coaching assistants next year!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Can we some how find a way to motivate the players and pull off a a moral victory?
I fk’n hate the Donkies!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:42 am
927.
poor guy dealt a chitty hand…no one could have succeeded in his shoes….
Is this Reggie you talking about or 0bama?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:43 am
DMAC, even if you don’t find tix which I think you will, just come on by…there’s gonna be a crap load of us!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:44 am
DMAC Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Can we some how find a way to motivate the players and pull off a a moral victory?
I fk’n hate the Donkies!
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NO! We’re trading down anyway. Draft 1 or 5, I dont care right now.
YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!! GO Raiders!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:44 am
I don’t think firing Hue was the big mistake. For the record I was in favour of keeping Hue for the sake of continuity.
But a new GM has every right to hire his own people and I don’t have a problem with that.
It wrong in two areas: a)Hue could have been whacked but the offense maintaining continuity via Al Saunders
b) replacing Hue with an unknown commodity like DA. If Reggie had brought in someone he directly knew and was familiar with from Green Bay or a “name” coach, completely understandable.
But when he fires Hue (where at least you know what he’s all about) and bring in someone who’s never done it before….you’re taking a big and unecessary risk and unfortuantely, it hasn’t worked out (so far).
Reggie and DA both deserve some slack because they are rookies, but man oh man, some of their decisions are just head scratchers and that’s made both their lives a lot harder than they needed to be.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Cmon, the team is not loosing games its getting dyck slapped all over the field. this is embarrassing on a bed & breakfast level… “the D played with passion” wtf are you talking about? you are giving up 40 points per game!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:45 am
DMAC Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:40 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Hey DMAC, are you there on Thursday?
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I think so
Ill know fasho 2morrow
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How much are you looking to pay?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:46 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:43 am
DMAC, even if you don’t find tix which I think you will, just come on by…there’s gonna be a crap load of us!
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With that being said…..
I’ll be there
I’ll just make sure to be high as a whistle, before entering the coliseum.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:46 am
we don’t need wins. We need high draft picks!
Go Peyton!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Last thing I want to hear before a grudge match with the hated Donkeys in a throwaway season where they are the AFC West champs is any kind of admission of weakness or undue respect for the great Peyton Manning. I don’t care if we get torched again. But come out and say a few things like a plan to knock Peyton down hard and get in his face. Even if the plan fails, don’t just give up and admit you can’t stop him.
Like the great Tony Montana once said, “all I have in this world is my balls”….
I wish Tarver would group up from this high school chit and grow a pair.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:47 am
O, we already have a high draft pick…
December 4th, 2012 at 9:47 am
I don’t expect a coach to say “hey let’s face it, we suck”, but don’t tell me what we’re seeing on the field is anything close to resembling acceptable..like Tarver did.
“Hey..3-9 is actually not that bad in a tough league like this”.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Like the great Tony Montana once said, “all I have in this world is my balls”….
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LOL, awesome
December 4th, 2012 at 9:49 am
You are right Charlie! I have been saying this for years now. You just can’t keep changing coaches and personnel each year or two and think you are going to have success. It is just not going to happen in the NFL. When it does the coach before the new coach or personnel in place, usually had some longevity.
I’m not surprised by this year one bit. I thought we could at least beat the Browns, but not to surprised at this point.
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918.Charlie Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:30 am
If you listen carefully to what Tarver said he also refers to PLAYER ACQUISITION as one of the things that will be done in the offseason.
The coaches have been as professional and cordial as possible in answering the media regarding what we all know.
Our on field talent is way below NFL average at most positions.
As I said coaching stability is what is needed-not instability.
Mr Davis would never acknowledge that he had regressed in his talent acquisition capability.
The coaching churn for the last decade and THE RESULTS speak for themselves.
NO TALENT NO WINS.
That is why Reggie had to blow up the entire scouting department and buy computers.
It is also why this is a 3-5 year project.
It is also why you could never get an experienced HC to take the job last year. EVERYONE KNEW HOW BAD IT WAS.
AT LEAST WE ARE UNDERWAY WITH A REAL REBUILDING JOB.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Cmon, the team is not loosing games its getting dyck slapped all over the field. this is embarrassing on a bed & breakfast level… “the D played with passion” wtf are you talking about? you are giving up 40 points per game!!!!
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That’s the problem….this coaching staff has failed to field even a mildly competitive team….and that is hard to do in this era of parity.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:50 am
I don’t rule out Gruden returning.
If it does happen, Davis is probably going to have to ‘break the bank’ to do it.
Piece of the team or something like that.
You’d probably want Gruden on the sidelines acting as HC.
Reggie might stay on. But he’d be more or less a figurehead, with Gruden holding all the real power.
It’s far fetched, but it could happen.
Tell you guys something else, while the rest of the sports world mocks the idea of a ‘dictator’ like Al having a hand in, and the final word on, every aspect of operations – I actually like that set-up and think it can work with the right guy in charge.
When Al was younger and firing on all cylinders it worked beautifully.
I prefer the ‘dictator’ set up, and having a team with identity, rather than being just another boring corporate entity.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Like the great Tony Montana once said, “all I have in this world is my balls”….
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He was a great QB!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:51 am
940.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Cmon, the team is not loosing games its getting dyck slapped all over the field. this is embarrassing on a bed & breakfast level… “the D played with passion” wtf are you talking about? you are giving up 40 points per game!!!!
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LOL!!! SMH!!! But true!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Tarver talks about “adversity” and the season being “unique”. What language is he speaking? Can’t he just speak plainly? What is so unique about getting your aser kicked on the regular? How is any of it unique or improve your character any?
This clown lost me.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:51 am
DA should take the week off and be with his family.
Greg Knapp will lead us to victory and start the controversy that HE should be the HC of this team going forward.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Well, talent is good, but chemistry is what makes the team comptitive! I haven’t seen that since the ATL game! What happened on the flight back…did Carson and Shane eat somebody’s lunch?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:52 am
guest123 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Tarver talks about “adversity” and the season being “unique”. What language is he speaking? Can’t he just speak plainly? What is so unique about getting your aser kicked on the regular? How is any of it unique or improve your character any?
This clown lost me.
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He is placing blame on others. Weak sauce. He knows he is gone after this season.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Hwnrdr Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:47 am
O, we already have a high draft pick…
$$$$$$$$$$$
It can be higher.
Imagine if we had the 2nd pick 2 years ago and not the 8th? We could have drafted Suh.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:53 am
If 3 of our DBs suffered concussions last Sunday, who in the he!! will be playing back there??
Time to throw Pryor in at CB… cant do much worse…
I predict Manning has >600 passing yards
December 4th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Matt Ryan just had an off game, which kept us in the game.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:54 am
This team is getting it’s *ss kicked all over the field every game.
so many coaches get turned over, so many players come and go…..who’s at fault? Where to start?
All I can say is that after two 8-8 seasons, the Raiders offensively had started to create some success and somewhat of an identity on offense. I was looking forward to a full training camp and season of CP3 with McFadden and his receivers.
Everyone knew this team needed a tear down on defense. But in attemping to do that and then at the same time start jerking with the one area of the team that brought some confidence and competitiveness for no good reason really…not smart.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Good question about the dbs!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Move Huff back to free safety and go get some fill in’s at CB. Problem solved!
NOW JUST WIN!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:55 am
FML!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:55 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:42 pm
GREG PAPA was just on 95.7 the game talking about this rumor.. Said last time GRUDEN came to Rickeys few yrs ago he had called papa and they all went down there.
Papa said GRUDEN openely talked about coming back to the Raiders and Papa was surpised to hear that.. Papa said Gruden described it as “UNFINISHED BUSINESS” also papa says he thinks Gruden would want to be the signal caller.
Papa then said Of course AL was still in charge, this was before the RAiders played the Redskins in that rainstorm.
in 2009 Al told Greg papa that GRUDEN had called him expressing that he wanted to come back. Jon had reached out to Al this was right before Al hired HUE in 2010. Papa said that HUE was really the coach in 2010.. but Cable had the title.
Greg told AL jokenly .. you would never hire JON back.. and AL said “im thinking about it” Im thinking about it”
Again Greg papa is saying this on 95.7 the game. Just letting u know. I really believe MARK DAVIS is gonna make a strong pitch for GRUDEN
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Everyone here knows my stance.
I didnt want to get rid of Hue…. but Hue forced his hand and made it so.
I dont want to get rid of DA…. we cant keep changing coaches. We just cant. More is gained with continuity.
But I’ve said since DAY 1…. I’ll gladly support Chucky returning home. Call it irrational nostalgia. Because, lets face it, it makes no sense. If we look at it logically, Chucky wont be the same without Al Davis. They both needed each other.
But I dont care. He’s the best coach we ever had in my lifetime. We never should have traded him. Its time to right a wrong and bring him home. And it just might happen, Mark is a fan just like us and he knows every game will be sold out when we know Chucky is in the house.
Gruden has wanted to come back for sometime, so has Gannon. Get them both in the building and Terrel Pryor on the field and watch this team turn everything around.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:56 am
If 3 of our DBs suffered concussions last Sunday, who in the he!! will be playing back there??
Time to throw Pryor in at CB… cant do much worse…
I predict Manning has >600 passing yards
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Na, Reggie Mack is on it, he is trying out a couple of Green Bay janitors and an accountant.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:56 am
FK overrated 1st round picks.
Beat the fk’n Donkies!!!!!!!!!
OPERATION NECK SNAPPER!!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Had Al just allowed Gruden to leave for ND, then we would have won the 2003 SB and the Irish would have been good for the past decade.
What a disaster that was!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:57 am
I can picture the lockerroom scene now.
Knapp’s cliches and calls for patience somehow pull some reverese voodoo and inspire the team to greatness.
All the players jumping up and down..doing military type cheers and Knapp jumps in the middle of a rhyme and says “Hey..lets have some perspective here for a minute” and they erupt in more crazy cheers…then they all put their arms in the circle and Knapp says “Patience on 3…”
December 4th, 2012 at 9:58 am
At this point of the year, the goal of the franchise is to suck for a higher pick. I know that’s not really what I want to see. But the season’s lost anyway. Try out the rookies. Expand Criner and Streater’s roles. Start to sit some of the guys that you don’t think are in the plans and let the final 4 losses be exhibitions for next training camp. Along the way, we get a top 5 draft pick. If the 2nd string can find a way to will a W or 2 out of it, that’s fine too.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:58 am
We could have drafted M Johnson, C Dunlap, and C Kaepernik if we had higher picks.
I want high picks!!!
Go Peyton!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:58 am
You can bet D-Less’ lazy ass wont be running lazy routes anymore if he’s gotta hear about it from Chucky.
The great thing about the Chuckster, is that from the fans all the way up to the owners box, the players know who is in charge. For ONCE, the fans will stop blaming the coach and hold the real culprits responsible.
There’s not crying with Chucky is in the house. Nobody is going to listen.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:59 am
DMAC Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:56 am
FK overrated 1st round picks.
Beat the fk’n Donkies!!!!!!!!!
OPERATION NECK SNAPPER!!!!!
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RIGHT on!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:00 am
I will never roll over for the Donks!
Neva!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:01 am
BB
How much u want for ur tix?
U gotta work w/ me though
lol
December 4th, 2012 at 10:01 am
OPERATION NECK SNAPPER!!!!!
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and then you hear Tarver meekly say, “You can’t stop Peyton Manning, you can only hope to contain him!”
SMH
December 4th, 2012 at 10:01 am
guest123 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:58 am
At this point of the year, the goal of the franchise is to suck for a higher pick. I know that’s not really what I want to see. But the season’s lost anyway. Try out the rookies. Expand Criner and Streater’s roles. Start to sit some of the guys that you don’t think are in the plans and let the final 4 losses be exhibitions for next training camp. Along the way, we get a top 5 draft pick. If the 2nd string can find a way to will a W or 2 out of it, that’s fine too.
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Great post.. Thats what Ive been calling for the last couple of weeks… Just to get bashed by Palmer lovers who think they KNOW that Pryor isnt an NFL caliber QB…
December 4th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Dakota Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:55 am
FML!
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Now you’re getting the hang of it, or NYGTHOI
December 4th, 2012 at 10:02 am
DMAC Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:56 am
FK overrated 1st round picks.
Beat the fk’n Donkies!!!!!!!!!
OPERATION NECK SNAPPER!!!!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I want high picks!!!
Operation play like a Raider and lose!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:02 am
DMAC Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:56 am
FK overrated 1st round picks.
Beat the fk’n Donkies!!!!!!!!!
OPERATION NECK SNAPPER!!!!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I want high picks!!!
Operation play like a Raider and lose!!!
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losing one draft spot is worth beating the Donkeys
December 4th, 2012 at 10:04 am
You guys crack me up every year about this time for about the last decade!
Gruden is not coming back to coach football for Oakland next year period! McKenzie worked with Gruden in Greenbay. So do you think Mark Davis is just going to bring him back to make operation decisions over McKenzie? Also, like Dennis Allen or not McKenzie brought him in as his man, his coach. Do you think he is going to change that after one year? Nope! Lastly, we may not like anything Dennis Allen has done this year but people who get paids lots of money to know football way better than we do, think he is one of the up and coming young coaches.
Now lets look at chuckys side of the story. He gets paid big dollars to talk about his passion and love “football” with out dealing with all the headaches and long hours of coaching a team. Gruden is a big ticket himself. He has figured out a way to generate income with out working directly for a franchise team. He does commercials, interviews the rookies, talk football and go home and sleep. How quick do you really think he is to jump back into coaching, studying game film with other coaches and sleeping at the coliseum?
So with all that said, I don’t think Gruden is back in silver and black any time soon. He ain’t coming back!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Ok, what is disturbing is that there is no post about DA’s dad passing on this site…someone said Friday night…lol…probably right!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:04 am
javier Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:59 am
DMAC Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:56 am
FK overrated 1st round picks.
Beat the fk’n Donkies!!!!!!!!!
OPERATION NECK SNAPPER!!!!!
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RIGHT on!
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Short sighted.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:05 am
“EPMD is in full effect, snappin’ necks and cashin’ large checks”
December 4th, 2012 at 10:06 am
You contain Manning by rushing and controling the ball on offense.
Thats the best defense RIGHT NOW!!
We need Mcfadden to go off for 180 yards rushing. He can do it. We’ve seen him do it
December 4th, 2012 at 10:07 am
We have put our pants….time to get new pants.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Speaking of Knapp, I find it extremely laughable how he was talking about creating packages for all the players so everyone is involved in the game?
Like, c’mon….please…..they don’t come more tunnelvisioned that him in terms of play calling?!
- Game 1: everything went to McFadden
- Marcel Reese is never utilised all year…then all of a sudden, his number gets called every snap.
- Taiwan Jones…neglected
- Brandon Myers has 14 catches last Sunday.
- TP6, still nothing for him.
Knapp has a pretty varied arsenal and he’s shown that he doesn’t have the creativity and/or smarts to utilize his personnel effectively.
But it’s like as soon as a a play/player, etc. makes a play…..he has no confidence in himself so he just sticks with it and rides it as far as it’ll take him.
ZBS, PBS….whatever….he’s shown himself to be predictable and unimaginative and even worse….boring.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Like someone said, parity is almost assured in the NFL so that you can pretty much get back to marginal playoff level on regular circular intervals. That the Raiders have gone a decade floundering with no clear improvement or direction tells you just how mismanaged we are as a franchise.
Even a blind mutt gets a bone once in a while!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:08 am
My condolences to DA on the passing of his pops.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Dakota Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:07 am
We have put our pants….time to get new pants.
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Because after we “Put them”…….We promptly “Shat them”
December 4th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Dakota Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:07 am
We have put our pants….time to get new pants.
*******
PUT YOUR PANTS
CODE BLACK
Any other crazy stupid slogans to hang your hat on?
December 4th, 2012 at 10:09 am
RIP Allen Senior!
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8708381/grady-allen-father-oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-dies
December 4th, 2012 at 10:10 am
guest123 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Dakota Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:07 am
We have put our pants….time to get new pants.
*******
PUT YOUR PANTS
CODE BLACK
Any other crazy stupid slogans to hang your hat on?
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I’m in?
December 4th, 2012 at 10:12 am
I would think the game would be fun now that there’s no pressure to win anymore. They should just throw the kitchen sink at Peyton and see what sticks. Throw caution to the wind and gamble even if it’s likely that Peyton could make us pay. Maybe we’ll get lucky and throw that career ending shot down on PM and scuttle the Donks playoff hopes. It would be worth the loss, which means nothing anyway.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:13 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Ok, what is disturbing is that there is no post about DA’s dad passing on this site…someone said Friday night…lol…probably right!
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Corkran doesn’t usually wake up until noon. Then he still has to spark a bowl, make his cereal and check wait till Jerry types up his story before he can make a new post.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Did the Raiders end Montana’s career? For some reason I remember him getting hurt against us his last season.
Sorry Manning…..
December 4th, 2012 at 10:15 am
My thoughts a prayers go out to Coach Allan and his family. These are trying times and may the Lord be with you and yours.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:16 am
new post
December 4th, 2012 at 10:17 am
You knew it was a bad omen when the Raiders preseason guide had pics of Mike Shanahan in it. That the org had gotten soft.
Now you have proof when you hear a Raider DC openly admit he can’t stop the hated rival Broncos QB.
Al must be turning over in his grave.
Again.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Dakota….thats how well you know the Raiders
Short Sighted….is you!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:21 am
I would think the game would be fun now that there’s no pressure to win anymore.
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Something to be said about that. Some of the most dangerous teams out there are the ones that have zero pressure, and nothing to lose.
I remember a wrestling tourney in High school…I’d lost earlier and got eliminated from the championship match. Had to wrestle in a consolation round against this freak who was destroying everyone. I had no shot of beating this guy… But I said “Fu*k it, he’s getting everything I got cause I got nothing to lose.”
Lost by 1 point after 3 rounds. He needed help walking off the mat, and I was still hopping around and growling; wishing I had 1 more round. I felt fearless…
December 4th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Don’t hike the ball with more than 4-7 secs left on the play clock. Keep the forehead off the field!
Hope the Raiders make it close.
Dungver 56
Raiders 16
December 4th, 2012 at 10:46 am
We should all be thankful for monday night football, especially us raider fans.
The best thing about monday night football aside from the talent on the field is listening to gruden talk about qb’s and how the game is played.
The last two weeks have featured the two qbs that represent a comlete paradigm shift and the future and cutting edge in what is the changing face of the nfl. Cam newton and RGIII. they also featured the offenses and how they are evolving to suit the players which cuases nightmare for the defense.
John gruden pointed out the comlexity of what GRiFFIN does, and the offense, he highlighted cams ability to audible make line calls and manipulate the defense both post and pre snap.
Whta really came across was grudesn enthusisam for what these two qbs bring to the table and the offenses abilty to challenge the defense in ways never seen in the nfl. Gruden sounded as if he would kill to have one of those guys, and would be like a mad scintist devising ways to use theor uniqe talents.
We can only hope as raider fans that knapp was wacthing, and more importantly that mckenzie and davis were watching. Why?
So that they can begin to envision some of the things we could do with pryor. If knapp is not qualified then bring in a guy next year that can use pryor and build an offense around his skill set. I thik pryor though not the polished passer that cam was in college, is certainly better than many guys starting in the nfl tody, and a better player than lienart.
Lets get a creative offensive coach that can follow the blue print used by seattle and washington.
RGIII russel wilson cam newton the wave of the future!!!
Will tp6 fit in with this group?