Raiders-Broncos game televised locally
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, December 4th, 2012 at 6:50 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders game against the Denver Broncos sold enough tickets to ensure it being televised locally, a team official said.
Therefore, fans not attending the Thursday night game at the Coliseum also will get a chance to see if the Raiders can snap a five-game losing streak and their first look at Pro Football Hall of Fame-bound quarterback Peyton Manning in a Broncos jersey.
The Raiders sold enough tickets to avoid a blackout of local TV for 13 straight regular-season home games before last Sunday’s game against the Cleveland Browns failed to reach the threshold.
The game will be televised on NFL Network and KGO-TV in the Bay Area.
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December 4th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Go Raiders!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Poor fans. Now we’ve got Gruden to wish for, to “keep hope alive” . Best wishes folks.
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Wow, that’s what we have resorted to. SMH
December 4th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
make it happen mark!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
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December 4th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Raiders-Broncos game televised locally
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DA condolences and support + Gruden rumor and excitement = televised locally.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Who the hell is buying these tickets??? No way in hell would I pay to see a Knapp ran offense.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Boy, is everyone looking for a change or what? Everyone wants this coaching staff gone. We’ll hang our hopes on anything. At this juncture its “Gruden to return to Oakland” …hope springs eternal.
FIRE DA, KNAPP, OL COACHES AND REGGIE IF YOU HAVE TO. I MEAN FIRE THEM ALL! This is one of the worst coaching staffs I have ever seen. And they have some monster sized egos.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
terrapin i cosign that!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
This game probably had a lot of ticket sales as soon as the schedule came out …
December 4th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
which one of you dopes floated this rumor ??
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/04/report-jon-gruden-talking-to-the-raiders-about-a-return/
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All of them.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/raiders-talk/Raiders-reported-talks-with-Gruden-make-?blockID=809975&feedID=2801
December 4th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Raiders / Donkeys is a natural draw
December 4th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
morilla Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Seymour,
and if Reggie was out? so what?
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Again, when McKenzie took over he was a $30mm over the cap. What that means is we are NOT last years 8-8 team. Dudes had to go. McKenzie made a lot of tough choices, but he did the right thing which was pare as much of the dead wood out of here as he could, as quickly as he could.
The problem is you now see a team with no players, no depth, no anything which is what Davis left us with. We all knew this day was coming. And guess what, that is going to continue next year as well. Bill Polian, Ted Thompson, and Trent Baalke could all come here, donate their time and it would STILL be a disaster. That’s the fact.
Now, once again, we can all throw fits and stomp and want to fire everyone, but I don’t see that as being overly productive and I’m really don’t see Ozzie Newsome coming out west to help out. Other than whining and crying, does someone have a better suggestion than having guys who have had alot of success in this league try for more than 10 weeks to get us out of this?
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wise words Seymour Bush..
and thats the cast Dennis Allen is given, McKinzie cant make miracles ergo Dennis Allen cant either.
Im still totally behind Dennis Allen, and I doubt there are any truth to the gruden-story – if there were we would be in the same disarray as we were the last Al Davis decade…
we need calmness, restructure the cast and that will result in some bad plays, i never expected us with more than 6 wins, but im sure we will be strong contenders for the division next season with a full strong draft.
I dont get the hate for Dennis Allen, what I get is the hate for Knapp, him we need to lose for the 2013season…
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I agree as well, DA was put in a rough spot. I have nothing against the guy. Also like seeing him bench players for poor play and throwing morons (Suspendo) out of practice. When’s the last time that happened? I’ve always said DA needs time.
On the flip side, I’ve always said Gruden is never coming back. But Wouldn’t be against the idea if the rumors are true. I would send a jolt through the org and speed up the process.
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I like grudens energy, but as a coach in modern football, he should stay in the booth. just see what happened in Tampa after he ruined Dungy’s team..
Keep Dennis Allen, and let him make his touch on the team, he hardly had the opportunity because of the cap.
Fire Knapp, hire David Shaw as OC and get some modern offense going.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Raiders-Broncos game televised locally
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DA condolences and support + Gruden rumor and excitement = televised locally.
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TerrapinRaider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Who the hell is buying these tickets??? No way in hell would I pay to see a Knapp ran offense.
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They probably sold enough in advance to avoid the blackout, just didn’t announce it until now. This was one of the big sellers before the season started.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
The most f’d up thing about this is that Allen’s dad just died, now he’s dealing with this. It’s not easy coaching in Oakland.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
to those thinking Hue Jackson would have done it better this season, needs to get a reality check..
Hue would have been in the same cap situation as DA.. His offense would have been a slight better than Knapps, but still with half the cast as of ‘11-’12..
December 4th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
The most f’d up thing about this is that Allen’s dad just died, now he’s dealing with this. It’s not easy coaching in Oakland.
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yeah, the false scoop was clearly more important to the guys than class…
I like Cork, still hasnt reported anything about this..
December 4th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
sure it is…all you have to do is win…
December 4th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
LMN,
1. How did Gruden ruin Dungy’s team? By winning an f-ing Super Bowl with them? Most of the core of that team (Brroks, Sapp, Rice, Lynch) was getting older and/or due big money elsewhere.
2. No excuses for the level of regression this football season.
3. If you think Shaw would come to the Raiders to be an OC under Dennis Allen you must be high. That’ll happen around the time Patrick Willis joins the Raiders to back up McJogger.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Man, I know hindsight is 20/20, but Gregg Knapp has to be one of the worst hirings this organization has ever made (although I was saying it before the season even began, before practice even began to be exact). Its like who the hell thought this was a good idea?
I said it before this ball even got rolling: Gregg Knapp will single-handedly torpeo this season. And its ringing true. He is the anchor around our colletive necks. He should have never been hired and should have been fired a long time ago. Save the firing of HueJax, the decision to hire Knapp started the snowball downhill. This was inevitable. You can’t say I didn’t tell you so.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
@VicTafur
If Pro Football Weekly really believed it’s Raiders reach out to Gruden “rumor” wouldn’t it be one of 25 stories on the website homepage?
December 4th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Lets get Gruden Back!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Only thing holding the Raiders back tomorrow is the easy game planning by the Broncos to defense our offense, and of course the Broncos offense. But I have a Reggie-sized gut feeling the Raiders are going to pull this David vs Goliath feat off. Our D will pull some nuts outta their sack even they didn’t know they had. That’s right. And our offense will shine too, in spite of knapp. I’m predicting Palmer goes rogue on knapp and calls his own game, not waiting for the OC to get the delayed calls into the game. Palmer will call gap running plays for McFadden, and deep routes for the speedy DHB. No more horizontal passes for -1 yards. Defense, in spite of Tarver, will have mannings number. Palmer needs this game because he sees the writing on the wall. He wants to be a part of the ‘new coming’ regime. So does McFadden and DHB.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
What official sources are reporting on Gruden so far? Just PFT?
December 4th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
yeah, the false scoop was clearly more important to the guys than class…
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Calm down. That fire storm started before DA’s Dad passed, RIP, and right after our 5th straight embarrassing loss. Also, the PFW write-up started it, anyway. Don’t be so quick to criticize.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
if the raiders do pullit off thurs…its got to be the excitement of a possible new coach…
December 4th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
If Pro Football Weekly really believed it’s Raiders reach out to Gruden “rumor” wouldn’t it be one of 25 stories on the website homepage?
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Ouch!!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
330.LA to TheBay Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
328.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Per Casserly, Seymour’s big deal he signed VOIDS OUT at the end of this year unless we buy back in. So Reggie can give #92 a big fat Sayonara with no cap hit. w00t!
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Reggie is a genius.
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Wow, that’s huge.
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That’s the difference between a wiley vet and a youngster. You tell me the difference between Seymour and that punk McClain? McClain does stupid stuff to sit out games but gets fined in the process. Old Rich says the back of his upper leg hurts and can’t play. Sits out with no fines. Neither one of them wants to play for us anymore and I’ll be glad when both are gone.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
I think DA should be canned too. He is responsible for hiring these dimwits. He inspires no one and is outcoached every week. You have to get rid of all the stink, not just 1 or 2 turds. Flush it all down the drain!
And I think Reggie is on a very thin leach. I wouldn’t be at all heartbroken if he got the boot as well. If I were Mark and I decided to keep Reggie for now, I would most definitely limit his role/focus on this team. He is responsible for this mess as well.
I just see him being fired as not as likely. So just limit what he is doing. Mark should either bring someone else it to help or establish his authority/presense in these matters.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
if the raiders do pullit off thurs…its got to be the excitement of a possible new coach…
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Nah. I want Gruden to come here but if they win, it will be for DA.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Per Casserly, Seymour’s big deal he signed VOIDS OUT at the end of this year unless we buy back in. So Reggie can give #92 a big fat Sayonara with no cap hit. w00t!
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Wow, is that true? Look at Big Mac go.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Donks could be due for a loss….it use to be that records didn’t matter when Afc west teams played , Blood, dirt and snot games….. They were usually close …. Lets see what kind of pride these bums have…..
December 4th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
What official sources are reporting on Gruden so far? Just PFT?
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nfl.com, yahoo sports, cnn, espn 1&2, fox nes, bleecher report, nfl tv, SI, knbr, san jose mercury news, pft, csn bayarea, ktla, msnbc, sf chronicle, and a few others. but, as always, ibabuzz is just a little behind.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
tsr…there is no one but practice squad players that want to win for DA…sorry man but thats how it is….
December 4th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Its fuk’n Peyton Manning. There will be no let up. We cannot pressure the QB (thanks Reggie) and Manning will light our azzes up because of it. It could be epic. Manning doesn’t know how to let up. His only letting up is to take him out of the game. The guy is a machine on the field. He’s going to eat Tarver alive.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
371.KRAWFDADD Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Why do people constantly call Richard Seymore a quitter when he brought a swagg and tuffness to Oakland that we had truly been lacking.His knees and his body are battle torn and his body just cant do what his mind is commanding it to do.There’s a difference when you are 22,23 years old and young in the NFL as to where you’re 34,35.He was brought in to instill tuffness to the younger D.linemen and lets face it other than Lamar Houston the rest are lacking.Bryant and Bilukidi dont make any impact or disruptive plays,hell they dont even show flashes.Seymore was brought in to show these younger guys the way the Alzados showed the Longs and Townsends and either they just dont have it or they dont want to learn(like the younger generation of today that think they knows it all,well you need to know your history in order to get where you,re going.)I myself personally commend Rich for his contributions to the D.I watched him take over several games in silver and black,but you have to have a supporting cast to back you up and go to war with you…
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That POS gave us a pair of games. He liks pairs. He came in straight from Foxboro (threatening not to come at all) and got a PAIR of sacks on Rivers in first game. Last year he blocked a PAIR of kicks against Romeo. That’s it!!!! He does not practice and I know that don’t sit well with teammates. They all look up to him as a cool guy to hang out with but I know they talk about his no practicing butt all the time.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Santa Claus Apologist?
LOL.. love the nick, St Nick!
December 4th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Its fuk’n Peyton Manning. There will be no let up. We cannot pressure the QB (thanks Reggie) and Manning will light our azzes up because of it. It could be epic. Manning doesn’t know how to let up. His only letting up is to take him out of the game. The guy is a machine on the field. He’s going to eat Tarver alive.
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I agree. In the end, it’s a pipe dream to think we have any chance whatsoever.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Raiders-Broncos game televised locally The Raiders game against the Denver Broncos sold enough tickets to ensure it being televised locally, a team official said. Therefore, fans not attending the Thursday night game at the Coliseum also will get a chance to see if the Raiders can snap a … [...]
December 4th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
LMN,
1. How did Gruden ruin Dungy’s team? By winning an f-ing Super Bowl with them? Most of the core of that team (Brroks, Sapp, Rice, Lynch) was getting older and/or due big money elsewhere.
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He won a SB, allright, with a cast assembled by dungy.
in year 2 and 3 when his touch finally was on the team he went 7-9 & 5-11..
in ‘05 he had a winning season again, against some really weak teams that season, 11 wins and ended 3rd, speaks more of the opposition than the team.
He had a great defense, that won many of the games for the team. A DB coach which had some of the best DBs in the league, that DB Coach btw was Mike Tomlin…
yeah, I like him as motivator, not as a coach.. I credit Trestman and Callahan much of what Gruden “did” i Oakland..
Gruden should go to Dallas or stay in the booth…
December 4th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Oh, and now Reece is suffering for injuries ..hammy and all …why you ask????
Again, the culprit is Gregg Knapp, one of the most idiotic OCs we have ever had here. He ran Reece into the ground (and ONLY Reece) when DMC went down. Again, single-handedly killing this team.
The guy has ZERO imagination and clearly does not know how to use personnel. Who the hell thought this was a good hire? I can see round 1, but round 2? Thats a big: “COM’ON MAN!”
December 4th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
My condolences to the Head Coach, Dennis Allen. Very sad day for him, losing his dad.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Now that I really think about it, this could be all time embarrassing Thursday: short week, HC left abruptly leaving his pitful OC to run the show, team playing uninspired football, no defense to speak of and offense that cant get out of its way. It could be epic.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Oh and to add to that …you’re playing Peyton Manning in prime time football. Holy Toledo
December 4th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Santa Claus apologist: trickinology of some sort. What say you
December 4th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Terrapin…
you used to be very profound and articulate, what happened?
or is it a case of hi-jacked moniker?
December 4th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
We have nothing to play for. Nothing. Nor do we have a chance. Why not let DA grieve properly?
December 4th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
or do you just have a case of *I’ve had it*
December 4th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Vic Tafur is extraordinarily lazy and will say anything in hopes of avoiding actual work on his own to investigate. I listen to him on 95.7 some times and his answers are pretty much worthless or stuff that has already been reported.
This would not be the first time the locals were scooped on a big Raiders story.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
We have nothing to play for. Nothing. Nor do we have a chance. Why not let DA grieve properly?
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LOL, yeah and get a better pick for McKinzie in 2013..
December 4th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Santa Claus apologist: trickinology of some sort. What say you
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December 4th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
The most f’d up thing about this is that Allen’s dad just died, now he’s dealing with this. It’s not easy coaching in Oakland.
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yeah, the false scoop was clearly more important to the guys than class…
I like Cork, still hasnt reported anything about this..
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It’s not the bloggers on this site that started this. It’s a big story (rumor, whatever). Would u expect that after hearing something like this that nobody would even talk about it out of deference to DA?
I’m seeing that most everyone has expressed their condolences to the coach and i’m not seeing an abject lack of class being expressed in his regard.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Terrapin,
Cash in the kids’ college fund. Put your house in hoc. Bet it all on the Broncs.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Barely seen what’s been going on here the last couple days. I assume we fixed everything on the team ’cause we got the big stage coming up. We will put a beat down on the donks and even confuse the peyton. The nation will see us play and say how can they be 3-8? It is written. We always win these meaningless games. Right Mr.g.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Chris, you just start following the Raiders?
December 4th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Anyone think Gruden (if he returns) would have any interest in trading for and developing Matt Flynn…if we were to head in another direction at QB?
Just a thought.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
The only way we win on Thursday is if the Donks don’t make the flight.
They are going to kill us, sorry, I live in Denver, hate the Donkeys.
Manning has this team primed to make. Deep playoff push…..
December 4th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
That what it is “I’ve had it”. I’m very pissed at what has transpired. It did not have to be this way. We went through years of agony. We finally began to see some hope with an offensive coaching staff that turned this team into a competitor. All we had to do was fix the defense and we’re talking playoffs. This did not have to happen.
Now we have a complete mess on our hands (albeit marginally fixabe). This is all mismanagement to the nth degree.
They fired Hue (big mistake) and hired DA. OK. I didn’t like the fact that they hired a Donkey to start but I figured they would be sensible and give ASaunders complete control over the offense. But these numbskulls made one of the worst decision I have ever seen a football team make considering the preponderance of evidence and hired that idiot Gregg Knapp.
Since that moment I was mentally checked out this season. I’ve been shaking my head and pissed since. I never had hope for this season. I knew it was going to be a freakin’ disaster. I’ve been preaching it since day one. Now everyone is finally starting to get it. These boyz need to be fired – and I mean just about the whole lot.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Purvisman,
You kidding? Yeah, 30 years ago. Been a regular on this board I believe since before Norv was hired.
I know the Raiders have completely come out and shocked good teams in recent years and they’re good for a few of those each year. I just don’t see how we hang with Payton Manning and the Donks with the worst pass rush in the league.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
WONDER WHAT A CARSON PALMER INT. SOUNDS LIKE IN NAVAJO ??
December 4th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
By breaking this rumor (thus far) like he did Hub Arkush is sounding like HE has inside knowledge that noone else has.
Maybe he does, maybe he doesn’t, but to this point he’s been a respected media guy so I have no idea what “inside info” he has or who his source might be.
His credentials are solid.
Maybe he’s trying to get his name out there.
They say “any publicity is good publicity” and he’s getting some run from this.
Maybe it’s a calculated risk. If it’s true…he’s the insider who broke the story over Mortensen, Schefter, Clayton and others. If it’s bogus…he got his name out there…albeit not in a good way.
If this isn’t true, his cred is gonna take a hit.
Maybe it’s worth the risk to him.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Manning better watch out. Tarver has these guys “flying around.”
December 4th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
345.Sullivan44 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
And here’s something to consider:
I’m assuming if Gruden comes, Reggie’s out. Because I can’t imagine Gruden working for a hands-on GM. Gruden left here in the first place because he wanted more control. So, if Reggie were to be out, that means Mark Davis gave McKenzie all of about 10 months before he gave up on him and threw him to the wolves. Should we expect him to be any more patient with Gruden? Man, was I naive about Mark. This apple did not fall far from the tree, after all.
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This is the thing we should all be the most afraid of. Mark Davis knows nothing about football and has admitted as much publicly.
If he starts going all knee-jerk like the old man used to, we are in very serious trouble.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Gregg Knapp is the worst OC I have seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
And Dennis Allen is in way over his head.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Bring back Gruden.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
You guys just don’t realize how well we had it last year. We had Hue Jackson paired with Al Saunders (one of the greatest offensive minds in football today). These guys were perfect for each other. Hue had the ballz to make calls that would make other coaches shiver. Likewise, Saunders had the brilliance to come up with all plays imaginable.
Recall what you saw opening night vs SD last year. That was how advanced these guys were together. They were light years ahead of the personnel hired to run the scheme itself. Jacoby Ford couldn’t handle it at the time. So they to pair back the offense to what the players could handle. With those two together for another year, and you add Palmer to the equation, what you guys would have seen from Raider football is only something other teams can dream about.
But we fuk’d that all up.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Its fuk’n Peyton Manning. There will be no let up. We cannot pressure the QB (thanks Reggie) and Manning will light our azzes up because of it. It could be epic. Manning doesn’t know how to let up. His only letting up is to take him out of the game. The guy is a machine on the field. He’s going to eat Tarver alive.
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Let’s see here.
PF PA
2009 197 379
2010 (Hue OC) 410 371
2011 (Hue HC) 359 433
Obviously Hue had a nice impact on the offense, but the defense was always terrible.
With the resources available this past offseason, how was Reggie supposed to fix a defense that allowed 433 points last year? A roster everyone seems to think was poised to make a run, that gave up 433 points. Please explain to me how all of this is McKenzie’s fault.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Gruden worked well with Bruce Allen both here and in Tampa Bay. I wouldn’t assume he can’t work with Reggie.
Agreed though that if Reggie is replaced without getting the CHANCE to do his thing (set up better scouts, not make bad trades, not blow 1st and 2nd round picks) that would be a bad omen for future ability to see long-term.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Raiders-Broncos game televised locally
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Thank you Manning
December 4th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Anyone responsible for overhauling the offense deserves blame. Anyone responsible for overhauling the offensive coaching staff deserves to be taken out to the pasture and whipped for incompetence and absolute madness.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
eseterik
don’t ask for logic here. Won’t find much. Mostly emotional “we were 8-8 so we were supposed to be 10-6 this year” nonsense.
Nevermind that it’s impossible for every team to simply improve by a game or two at the same time.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Palmer 28-55 175 yds 1 td 2 int
Myers 28 catches 45 yds
There. The Knapp offense.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
I’m not for keeping stability for the sake of stability. You keep stability when you have someone worthy of stabilizing around. I don’t know if we have that.
You don’t keep or build an organization around someone who makes bad decisions or flat out stinks.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
we don’t need no stinking logic
just fire and cut everybody
that’s what smart teams do
have nice day
December 4th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
don’t forget quality coaches like Chuck Pagano LAUGHED when asked about working here last year.
The 10-year chaos in Oakland has caused us to constantly have to choose from the bottom of the coaching/assistant coaching barrel.
Can’t blame the new GM or HC for that.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
I’m not for keeping stability for the sake of stability. You keep stability when you have someone worthy of stabilizing around. I don’t know if we have that.
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Exactly. You don’t know. And if you fire someone after only ten games, or even one season, you won’t.
Which is why you don’t do it.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pdWAcK6Eh8
December 4th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Back to the game:
This will be the game where we will see TP6 play.
1) we will be blown out by halftime
2) Carson will get killed by Vonn and Elvis, putting in TP makes sense as he can make things happen with his feet
3) we need to run for 250 yds to have a chance
December 4th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
WONDER WHAT A CARSON PALMER INT. SOUNDS LIKE IN NAVAJO ??
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hee-ho-de-la-chin-gada
December 4th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
u guys crack me up!
December 4th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Tom Coughlin was 6-10 first year as HC of Giants.
And he punted to Desean Jackson to cost him a season.
Most here would have fired him.
Kubiak showed no improvement for 4 years in a row.
Most here would have fired him.
Jeff Fisher’s first winning season was his 5th.
Yep, would have been fired.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
This reminds me so much of the Tennessee rumors on Gruden.
THIS rumor is more credible in that it has been originated by the respected founder of Pro Football Weekly Magazine (now a website and TV Show featuring hall of famer Dan Hampton), as well as the sideline reporter for MNF radio broadcasts, and the resident “Bears and NFL expert” for 50k watt clear channel WMAQ radio in Chicago.
This isn’t the Weekly World News running a story about aliens making out with Hillary Clinton.
That being said, it does just sound so weird with the timing of this and the story is hard to believe.
This has come out of nowhere, which just makes it that much harder to fathom.
We’ll know the truth soon enough.
If the rumor gains steam Grudens camp will address it just like they did with the UT rumors. ESPN will MAKE Gruden respond and deny.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
This staff has lost the team and you can see it all around. You don’t keep that around. You start over with people they can believe in.
And not to mention that this is a business. They need to sell tickets, esp if they want a new stadium. With this same coaching staff in place next year I’m virtually certain games will be a ghost town.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Them some nasty ass aliens DJ!
December 4th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Terrapin,
You have lost dude.
Please expound on your assessment that the staff has lost the team.
Thanks,
Raider Fans
December 4th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
THANKS R8ERRAY..
CHINEESE VERSION ??
December 4th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
wow, there’s a big difference between ‘lost’ and ‘lost it’.
Sorry ‘pin
December 4th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
RG3, luck, and Russel Wilson playing at a high level, breaking records for rookie QB’s
All can run and pass, we HAVE to play TP6 now!!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
So the logic is that if you have a rookie ‘running’ QB you should play him??
C’mon 303!
December 4th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
What about the 25 teams that don’t have a ‘running’ QB?
December 4th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Not quite sure about all the love for Gruden.
Sure his 1st year in Tampa he won a Super bowl.
Then lost a couple of wild card playoff games.
7 years with Tampa and you guys are hootin and hollerin to bring him back? Doesn’t seem that impressive to me.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
91
agreed
December 4th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
My “logic” is based on the recent succes of athletic QB’s plus we sux ass right now, what do we have to lose!!
Plus our O-line sux and we need to run the ball Thursday to have any chance.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Not quite sure about all the love for Gruden.
Sure his 1st year in Tampa he won a Super bowl.
Then lost a couple of wild card playoff games.
7 years with Tampa and you guys are hootin and hollerin to bring him back? Doesn’t seem that impressive to me.
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Hello?? The last time Gruden was here we won 3 AFC West title with the team he built.
I’ll take Chucky back any day, all day, every day!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Good thing about Gruden is he’d probably try to bring in Gannon in some capacity, too. Talk about the right medicine for this offense.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
I’m just thinking 303 that replacing your qb with a worse qb may not get it done.
we’ll see.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Gruden would restore hope in a lost franchise. Also,since he travels around the league broadcasting games he could also educate Reggie on the players on other teams that are not on a practice squad
December 4th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Gruden did win 3 straight AFC titles, but it took him 3 years to get his first. He already had a possession receiver that is one of the best ever, Tim Brown. Then he brings in Jerry Rice, a HOF receiver who’s both a possession receiver and deep threat. I’d love to think McFadden’s our Charlie Garner but with the injuries? Gruden would be beyond awesome but somehow we’d have to pinch ourselves and face the fact that it’s going to be a long road to recovery. Hopefully Mark Davis gets it to because if all this goes down, think of how quickly he threw Reggie to the wolves?
December 4th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Yea 303 your right. back to back 8-8’s then a 12-4 and a 10-6.
You got me on that for sure.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
RE: GRUDEN RUMOR ———– OK – SO CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF THEY RECALL A COACH THAT WAS OUT OF FOOTBALL, THEN RETURNED AND WAS JUST AS SUCCESSFULL AS WHEN HE LEFT ????
December 4th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
303Raider
“Hello?? The last time Gruden was here we won 3 AFC West title with the team he built.
I’ll take Chucky back any day, all day, every day!!!”
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Funny how life works. One little tuck disintegrated the whole thing.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
alex7 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Gruden worked well with Bruce Allen both here and in Tampa Bay. I wouldn’t assume he can’t work with Reggie.
Agreed though that if Reggie is replaced without getting the CHANCE to do his thing (set up better scouts, not make bad trades, not blow 1st and 2nd round picks) that would be a bad omen for future ability to see long-term.
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All Bruce Allen did, was borrowing in next years cap to pay this years salaries, McKinzie is the total opposite of that.. McKinzie is a sound economy konda guy, bruce allen is result now, pay tomorrow guy..
December 4th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
nycraider, you think Gruden would come here to work for Reggie? I think Reggie’s out if Gruden comes. Gruden picks his own GM. Gruden was traded from here because he wanted more control.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Alex, Al Davis was the GM when Gruden was here, and Gruden didn’t like it. He tried to overpower king cornholio himself for crying out loud. You can see him working with Reggie McKenzie, a first year GM?
December 4th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
And dont’ tell me Gruden learned his lesson. That’s a genetic trait. Taking charge. It’s in the genes. When did Parcells ever learn his lesson?
December 4th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
nycraider, you think Gruden would come here to work for Reggie? I think Reggie’s out if Gruden comes. Gruden picks his own GM. Gruden was traded from here because he wanted more control.
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my instinct says reggie would be gone, but not 100% confident of that. Gruden to me excelled at coaching and probably enjoyed the coaching duties more than the personnel side. If Reggie had to be sacrificed to bring in Gruden, so be it. He can always go back to GB and rebuild their practice squad.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
alex7 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Tom Coughlin was 6-10 first year as HC of Giants.
And he punted to Desean Jackson to cost him a season.
Most here would have fired him.
Kubiak showed no improvement for 4 years in a row.
Most here would have fired him.
Jeff Fisher’s first winning season was his 5th.
Yep, would have been fired.
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yes, exactly, people dont know a good thing when the see one..
the results now, pay later guys hopefully will be disappointed and DA will stay
December 4th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Alex, Al Davis was the GM when Gruden was here, and Gruden didn’t like it. He tried to overpower king cornholio himself for crying out loud. You can see him working with Reggie McKenzie, a first year GM?
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Yeah, if he wanted the job. Reggie could whoop his a$$!
December 4th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Nothing to see here folks, go on home.
Reggie and Allen will be back next season.
Just a rumor to bring up the hopes of the Nation and then stab it the heart and crush it.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
How many years did jeff fischer coach 18? 1 super bowl right? not sure that is the mark of excellence.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Well, Jerry and Cork are shooting this down to hell on twitter. Tribune staff isn’t convinced.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
nycraider, you think Gruden would come here to work for Reggie? I think Reggie’s out if Gruden comes. Gruden picks his own GM. Gruden was traded from here because he wanted more control.
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exactly, If mark chooses Gruden, its not Gruden who gets McKinzie to leave… McKinzie will leave by himself, their philosophies on how to run a club is diametrical opposed
December 4th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Did Norco Bob just flat out leak this to PFT on his own and start a storm?
December 4th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
“Blue horseshoe loves Gruden”
December 4th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Bunch of bs ,just usual trolling , nothing to worry bout that , I’m ok with DA and reg , I want this team built through draft, I don’t want none of the gruden veteran team on their last legs , I you guys forgot , that’s the reason we are in this whole mess, gruden never developed young guys and we paid for that after most of those veterans were gone after 02-03 year
December 4th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Norco and other idiots are just looking for attention
December 4th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
McFadden that might be your dumbest post ever. Gruden’s been gone for over a decade, and you’re blaming our current situation on him? You’re in 5th gear of retard, bud.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Good noght gents..
December 4th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
alex7 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Tom Coughlin was 6-10 first year as HC of Giants.
And he punted to Desean Jackson to cost him a season.
Most here would have fired him.
Kubiak showed no improvement for 4 years in a row.
Most here would have fired him.
Jeff Fisher’s first winning season was his 5th.
Yep, would have been fired.
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DA inherited a team that went 8-8 two consecutive seasons and is now 3-9.
The coaches you cite NEVER regressed record wise from the team they inherited in their first yr’s.
Kubiak’s first year was a 4 game improvement from the previous season under Capers. He then went 8-8 two straight seasons and then finally 9-7. In his first four years he never digressed from the previous yr. Hence the confidence in him as a coach going forward. I think we all would’ve been fine with that progress.
Jeff Fisher improved upon the previous regime his 1st season winning 7 games (prev. yr. they won 2). He then had 3 consecutive 8-8 seasons before breaking thru with a 13-3 mark. He never digressed from a previous season.
I agree that after 3 consecutive 8-8’s there may have been calls to get a guy that could take us to the next level if it was the Raiders he was coaching.
The total lack of any sign of progress… record or otherwise is what concerns and upsets many.
Despite the consecutive 8-8’s beofre DA took over being a “mirage”.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Raider( since (1967)
★★★★★★★
SOMETHING BIG IS HAPPENING IN OAKLAND! AND THE
EARTH IS GOING TO TREMBLE!
For every lost There’s a gain. And he who loses shall find it.
Goodnews is near. And REGGIE and MARK are about ready
To tell us. A nice CHRITMAS GIFT might be waiting for us FANS
Behind close doors and is right under the tree in RAIDERS OFFICE.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Night idiot
December 4th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Oh, goodnight, McFadden20. You know, I think Tom Flores got us into our current mess. His drafting was atrocious.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Parcells was 3-12-1 his first year, 1983. Then they went 9-7, 10-6 losing in the playoffs. SB winner the following year.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Reggie’s going to make the announcement that Gruden’s the new HC, then Marks’ going to fire Reggie. I love it! Same old Raiders. Mark is Al.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
McFadden that might be your dumbest post ever. Gruden’s been gone for over a decade, and you’re blaming our current situation on him? You’re in 5th gear of retard, bud.
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My dumbest posts are better than your best ones , I didn’t mean the whole 10 years , just saying the first few years after everybody retired or got injured, there wasn’t any young guy to take over for any of those positions , Al tried doing what he always did overpaying for on the decline players , traded 1st rd picks for disgruntled players , so that didn’t work
December 4th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
McFadden, anyone can read what you said. You said Gruden’s the reason we’re in this mess in the first place. Dude’s been gone a decade. Dumbest comment ever.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
I’m just thinking 303 that replacing your qb with a worse qb may not get it done.
we’ll see.
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1) we need to evaluate TP6 in some real games
2) Carson will get killed vs Elvis and Vonn
3) we need to run the ball all night as much as we can to have any chance Thursday
4) we sux and have nothing to lose
December 4th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
even in his bad years before Gruden al only had 1 year under 7 wins dating back to the late 60s ,early 70s, team needed total turnover after gruden’s guys left, Al did what he always did but the mess was really big and only got bigger with how al handled everything , he just needed to hand the team over to some one and rebuild
December 4th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
CORK WILL KNOW -HE SAY IT LIKE IT IS!
THE WIRE IS GETTING HOT AND ITS BEHIND CLOSE DOORS!
A CHRISTMAS GIFT MIGHT BE COMING BEFORE YEARS END.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
How the hell is Gruden responsible for our mess?
He didn’t draft the following players:
1) JaMarus Russel
2) Rolando McClain
3 Robert Gallery
4) pretty much most of the picks the last 10 years.
The last great Raider early round pick was in 1998 with Woodson, when Gruden was the coach.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I get that Raiders are a “unique” situation with the salary cap restraints and lack of picks this yr. which could partially explain the regression and DA should get some slack for that, but it’s tuff sell to accept this much regression.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
No need to get nasty ,it might not be all 10 years but you know Gruden was part of the mess , look what happened to TB too, after Rice,Sapp,lynch and the other guys left, he left them in mess for couple of years
December 4th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Ok my words probably taken out of context but lemme correct this , he left the team in horrible situation ,I know we could have gotten out of it with a good GM,but TB is the evidence what happened When he left
December 4th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Mark wants Gruden.
That’s the big carrott for the LA crowd.
LA Raiders 2014
December 4th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
McFadden, I blame Eddie Erdelatz for this mess.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
I blame Al Davis for this mess….but not Al Davis the owner. Al Davis the head coach. Once Cotton Davidson went down, Al never had an answer. We’re still suffering.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
I would hate to see Oakland without an NFL team. But then again it’s not like they have one now. Oh yeah.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Gruden would sell out any stadium in LA
December 4th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Well who cares, gruden haven’t proven yet if he can lead a rebuilding team ,only talented under achieving Raiders or One of best D’s of all time 02 bucs and also proven that he doesn’t believe in coaching up young players, this is a rebuilding team, we should be okay with Reg and DA ,coaches get better all the times, too early to judge DA
December 4th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
It’s all about ticket sales for a new stadium.
Look what David Beckham did for the Galaxy.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Sully are you back to your trolling ways or was M1sT1c supa villain idea wasn’t working??
December 4th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Gruden was responsible for both the raiders and bucks being in the sb that year. Even though all his years coaching weren’t great his teams never looked as bad as the raiders do now… Gruden being here would do something for the players that DA can’t and that’s instill confidence.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Classy write up by Jerry McDonald regarding Coach Allen:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22125575/oakland-raiders-dennis-allens-persona-shaped-by-father
December 4th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
LA only wants the Raiders if they have a big name.
Gruden is the name.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
People will probably buy tickets to first 2 home games and sell It out way before the season starts but wins and losses count , Sorry Gruden hasn’t shown he could lead a young rebuilding team, why do you bring him back? If you want to bring some one then you wang some one like NYG Tom coughlin who has a track record of building teams from the ground , or even John Fox ,he turned expansion panthers into a solid group year in and year out or Atlanta coach ,who had rebuild the team after mike Vick fiasco
December 4th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
mctroll calling someone a troll…never.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Lots of casual fans never heard of Coughlin.
Everyone knows Gruden.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Gruden was responsible for both the raiders and bucks being in the sb that year. Even though all his years coaching weren’t great his teams never looked as bad as the raiders do now… Gruden being here would do something for the players that DA can’t and that’s instill confidence.
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No TB went to Super Bowl on the strength of Dungys D, then managed to destroy it after couple of years
December 4th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Mc20 you say you wouldn’t hire gruden because he hasn’t shown he could lead a rebuilding team but want to keep DA who’s 3-9 and who has proven thus far he cant lead any team? Gruden a sb winning head coach isnt qualified in your eyes but DA is??? Lmao smh Mctroll20 you make no sense. Laughable!
December 4th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Nope mc20 you’re wrong they got to the sb because “gruden” improved their offense, they couldn’t score until he got there.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Gruden has shown he can coach talented teams , but he has not shown if he can bring in talent or grow talent, this team is far from being talented ,so put down the pipe dream, stay calm ,DA will be alright in the long run
December 4th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Gruden has shown he can coach talented teams , but he has not shown if he can bring in talent or grow talent, this team is far from being talented ,so put down the pipe dream, stay calm ,DA will be alright in the long run
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Really? How do you know he will be alright in the long run? Based on what? His experience as HC, impressive resume, or what he has done so far as our HC?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Improved by what 2 points?? But it was still the D that took them there, John Harbaugh ,improved SF O a little bit cuz the previous coaches were D minded ,but you can’t tell me it was whiners O that led them to the SB , DA is a rookie coach he’s going to have his ups and downs , even in his rookie year he was faced with million challenges , give him a year to prove himself ,why can’t you guys do that?? I mean I already know Gruddn isn’t coming here,he will go. To a veteran loaded team like Philly or Cowboys , so you guys might wanna put down the pipe dream
December 4th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Didn’t you want use to give Knapp time too? lol
December 4th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
I rather have a pipe dream over this nightmare.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Gruden has shown he can coach talented teams , but he has not shown if he can bring in talent or grow talent, this team is far from being talented ,so put down the pipe dream, stay calm ,DA will be alright in the long run
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Really? How do you know he will be alright in the long run? Based on what? His experience as HC, impressive resume, or what he has done so far as our HC?
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That’s the problem with you guys ,you guys haven’t learned anything from history ,last time we had coaches for more than 3 years we did well them ,Madden ,Flores Gruden ,we need to give this coach time,past isn’t indicative of anything ,the guy that has won the most Sbs in the last 12 years ,was a loser coach in 90s, the pata were actually worse in bills first year with them than the year before, but sticking with bill worked out pretty well , why would you guys judge a rookie coach after he didn’t even get a decent chance to improve team in offseason ?? ,
December 4th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
I’d hate to see Oakland without the RAiders. But then again it’s not like they have the Raiders now. If they’re going to suck every year it’s not worth it. Same with Sac and the Kings.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
So if we keep a coach 3+ years we will make the SB because it happened before?
LOL
December 4th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Didn’t you want use to give Knapp time too? lol
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I gave the him until mid-season, the scheme is ok but he sukks along with the wide receivers,who are showing their true colors when put into fire,now everybody is finally on board with what I was saying since start if season that we need # 1 receiver
December 4th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
The scheme is OK?!?
54 passes and 16 runs is OK?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Lol Mc20 you’re the only one holding onto a pipe dream and that’s this nonsensical idea you have that someday DA will become a real coach. Lol the Guy’s a joke, even the owner thinks as much and the team captain. Why do you think Aaron curry tweeted about how much he’d love to play for a coach like gruden before he got the axe? “Because half the players dont take him seriously and know Da is a fraud.” Most fans know Da is a fraud as well only ones who don’t are blind and in denial.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Btw, the chargers kept Norv for 3+ years. How is that working for them?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
So if we keep a coach 3+ years we will make the SB because it happened before?
LOL
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Pitts the model of consistency , they are the example of sticking with coach and built the Team with draft ,chuck noll was a loser in his first 3 years ,he put his stamp on his team and it has carried that stamp from 70s ,build with the D ,I can see that’s where Reggie and them are trying to go, not saying I guarantee that we will be like them with this group but its worth waiting for some player, many HOF guys in the league have sucked in their first years but that comes with the territory and learning the job , only guys have done well in their first years,took over a team that had great unit on one of the sides or has been successful over the past few years
December 4th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Why give DA 3 years but judge Knapp after half a season?
Doesn’t make sense.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
I am up feeding my 2 month old and watching Transformers and GI Joe cartoons.
This is the life.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Gruden has shown he can coach talented teams , but he has not shown if he can bring in talent or grow talent, this team is far from being talented ,so put down the pipe dream, stay calm ,DA will be alright in the long run
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What would you call brining in Gannon, Garner, Rod Woodson, drafting Charles Woodson, etc???
December 4th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
The scheme is OK?!?
54 passes and 16 runs is OK?
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I’m talking about ZBS ,I’m not taking about the play caller ,he’s an idiot
December 4th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Lol Mc20 you’re the only one holding onto a pipe dream
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Exactly!
He is very opinionated but the problem is that the options are based on hopes and dreams.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Man, I know hindsight is 20/20, but Gregg Knapp has to be one of the worst hirings this organization has ever made (although I was saying it before the season even began, before practice even began to be exact). Its like who the hell thought this was a good idea?
I said it before this ball even got rolling: Gregg Knapp will single-handedly torpeo this season. And its ringing true. He is the anchor around our colletive necks. He should have never been hired and should have been fired a long time ago. Save the firing of HueJax, the decision to hire Knapp started the snowball downhill. This was inevitable. You can’t say I didn’t tell you so.
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You weren’t the only one that felt that way.
Many, perhaps most, of the posters here were dismayed and alarmed by the Krapp hire.
For many, the hope was that with a healthy DMAC and CP having an off-season to prepare, the offense would still be capable of putting up points – despite the Krapp factor.
It became very evident from the first pre-season results that Krapp had set the offense back tremendously.
From the advent of the ZBS, horrific play calling, 3rd down futility, destruction of the run game, red zone futility, not maximizing production or using the roster effectively…
Krapp has been a massive failure.
On every level.
Amazingly, there are still posters here that defend Krapp.
Some even want him back, and urge sticking with his ’system’ and expressly drafting players that fit it.
Unbelievable to me, but I guess that’s what makes horse races and everyone is entitled to an opinion.
I just can’t see why anyone would want Krapp back.
Personally, if Krapp is back in 2013, I’ll still be rooting for the Raids, but I really won’t care that much or have hopes for a revitalized O.
He’s just too boring, ineffective and frustrating to watch.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Dakota Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
I am up feeding my 2 month old and watching Transformers and GI Joe cartoons.
This is the life.
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Yes it is. Good for you. Congratulations.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Mc20 the reicievers didn’t suck until Knapp got here, neither did dmac, and neither did the oline, hell neither did the entire O suck until knapp got here. His lame @$$ predictable play calls and schemes are more to blame in my mind. Chucky will know what to do with them though …
December 4th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Opinions*
December 4th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
I’m not saying DA is the answer, hell, he may be worse than Joe Bugel. When you hire a guy as your head coach, he deserves an opportunity to succeed. There are stories of coach after coach that decided to go elsewhere because of this organization. We often pull the plug fairly quick. Sometimes these coaches deal with things well out of their control. DA deserves at least two years to turn this team around. Especially if this GM\ownership ever expects to pull decent coaches in the future.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Kiwi_Blade Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Why give DA 3 years but judge Knapp after half a season?
Doesn’t make sense.
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Cuz knapp is not a rookie coach ,his play calling leave a lot to be desired ,why don’t you guys understand ,you can’t come to conclusions on a rookie coach after first year, many times coaches have had good years in their first years and turned out to be bust ,many times they had bad years and turned out to be HoF coaches, I’m not gauranteeing but making a common sense statement ,but you guys are too slow to learn that, head stuck so up inside last years 8-8 record that it has affected rational thinking , teams don’t even fire veteran coaches after first year , but yeah let’s fire a rookie coach, who wasn’t even afforded with assets they need to improve , like Draft and FA ,we were freaking 25 million over the salary cap , anyways ,DA would be here another year anyway ,just wished you guys could understand where I’m coming ,I guess nothing will make you guys understand
December 4th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Post 164 that’s typical mctroll20 for you, get use to it. Lol
December 4th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
mcxcuse20 isnt really that dumb…he is DAs cousin…
December 4th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
I doubt McFadden is related to DA.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Ride the assistant coaches out of here on a rail.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Heads will roll.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
why else would he blindly defend him?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Mc20 the reicievers didn’t suck until Knapp got here, neither did dmac, and neither did the oline, hell neither did the entire O suck until knapp got here. His lame @$$ predictable play calls and schemes are more to blame in my mind. Chucky will know what to do with them though …
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Our receivers didn’t suk? McFadden is good never said anything about him, only reason why we didn’t get to see their sukkines was because we were a running team with cable and hue, it was clear like day and night Moore wasn’t number 1,but you guys didn’t say anything like oh he will come around ,you guys made statements he’s a solid #1 now like you guys make statements a new coach will improve the team lol ,
December 4th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Any thoughts on Allen turning the keys over to Knapp while gone… does this mean he will fight to keep him next year? His trusted right hand man? shutter
December 4th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
@ raider o, yea hes a big time dreamer. If anybody truly believes DA is the guy and can get this thing turned around I wouldn’t be surprised if they believed in leprechauns and unicorns. Lol DA a real hc is the greatest fairy tale on earth right now.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
why else would he blindly defend him?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Who knows?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Gdog Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Any thoughts on Allen turning the keys over to Knapp while gone… does this mean he will fight to keep him next year? His trusted right hand man? shutter
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Practice is practice. Meetings are meetings. They know in advance what to do. All Knapp does is blow the lunch whistle.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I’ve never seen freckles on a black man before. Didn’t know you could get freckles. Reggie’s a freckle machine.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
meant “you people”
December 4th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
No our recievers dont suck, yea they’ve all had bad games before as any other player has but they’ve made enough plays to let you know they have it in them to be factors in this league. No one questioned them last year when we had a real coach and were a real team.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Big Mac sounded pretty happy with Moore prior to the season. Tell you what, I don’t know what happened, but Moore, DHB, McFadden, and the O-line was a crapton better last year than this. They all lose their jeau de vivre?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
McFadden is a good poster with a lot of passion, I understand his argument, but I don’t think it applies to every rookie HC. Cable was a rookie HC, he lasted 2+ years and his best season was 8-8 and that’s because we hired Hue.
December 4th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
I don’t need to defend anybody lol , i wish you guys thought about things rationally and not judge guys and have agenda like Mist1c ,future is no guarantee, making statements like DA will never amount to anything based on his rookie year is stupid ,just like you guys said our receiving corp is good, Gio was good after he made a few plays lol ,and other stupid statements
December 4th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
McFadden,
Didn’t you say we had an agenda when we argued about Knapp?
Do we have an agenda, or are you too slow to realize the facts?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
ok mcxcuse, but 3-13…lol yeah
December 4th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Actually I do know what happened…offense got Krapped
December 4th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Rules:
1. coaches don’t usually get fired unless the team sucks.
2. replacement coaches almost always inherit a team that sucks.
3. if prior head coach couldn’t fix things in 1-4 years, how the heck can a rookie head coach fix it in one?
Any of you whackjobs need that explained?
December 4th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
No our recievers dont suck, yea they’ve all had bad games before as any other player has but they’ve made enough plays to let you know they have it in them to be factors in this league. No one questioned them last year when we had a real coach and were a real team.
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You guys didn’t get to see them because we were a run first team, there weakness is exposed when they are called upon to rely on them instead of McFadden , c’mon man a lot of you guys have caught up with that ,you will eventually be asking for #1 receiver come FA
December 4th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
mcxcuse blindly believed in zone defense and zbs…he argued preseason dont mean a thing, he said knapp was ok just needed time 3 whole wins later he is off the bus…he will jump off the DA one soon…
December 4th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Anybody else watching ‘Wrath of Khan”?
December 4th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
McFadden,
Didn’t you say we had an agenda when we argued about Knapp?
Do we have an agenda, or are you too slow to realize the facts?
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Yeah but I actually wanted to see knapp until mid -season instead of like making stupid judgements based on 1 season or 1 play ,you guys have failed in your WR assessment, Gio assessment and other things
December 4th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
December 4th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
mcxcuse “we need pressure…” lmao…how do you get pressure when you play zone ten yards of the man, no one over the slot guy? the qb has thrown the ball on his third step back…of course there isnt pressure….football 101…get a notebook.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
If Pryor is a bust, and gets cut, what will posters say?
Priest: “you foools don’t know diddly. Didn’t you see theway hed moved his feet on that interception. I guarantee you, with feet like that, he’s in the Hall.”
Kell: “he’s a bootlicking pootbutt. You all are haters”
Mistic: “huh? Who? Pryor? Richard Pryor?”
December 4th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Please explain, seriously: All of you who continue to post day after day, week after week, that McKenzie & Allen inhereted such a horrible mess and lost so much talent dues to salary cap issues that the slide to 3-10 isn’t their fault. Who exactly did we lose from 2011 to 2012 that caused this 3-10 season? Names?
* Wimbley? He had 1 maybe 2 good games last year and vanished for the rest. Good riddance. No loss. If Allen and Tarver can’t devise some defensive schemes to get more pressure on the QB, it’s on them. We have talented young guys on our D-line…just no coaching.
* Routt? He was a terrible CB his entire career here and was cut from the cheifs midway through this season. No loss there. Who did Big Reg bring in to replace him? Bartell? Spenser? Adams? Hansen? All pathetic.
* Boss? Myers is an improvement. No loss.
* Murphy? I liked him, but we have a stable of young talented WRs. No loss.
*Satele? Yes, we are feeling his absense, but Reggie Mcfattass/Pollack/Allen decided Wiz shoukd take over at Center, what did Bob Wiley know anyhow? This staff could have retained the entire functioning O-line intact along with a power blocking scheme that worked, and worked well. Not to mention fit the personnel we had. Satele, on the other hand has started every game this year for the 8-4 Colts protecting Franchise QB Luck. I guess Reggie didn’t think he was a “football player”.
Where is all this talent that we lost??? there are a few guys who Reggie & Allen axed who I feel could have helped the team, but they weren’t due to salary cap issues. If I’m missing a couple names, please tell me who they are and how their loss caused the regression. The truth is the Three Stooges (Mark/Dennis/Reggie) inhereted virtually the exact same team that went 8-8 two years in a row…and they crapped the bed.
What in God’s name are you seeing out of Allen or Reggie that gives you any confidence in either? If ever there has been a coach who deserved to be fired it’s Allen. I am truly sorry for his loss. But emotions out aside, he has shown no sign that he deserves a second year. Where does all your faith in him come from? Certainly not through any results. Logical arguments please.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
was the 1 play assesment wrong? lol…catch up…
December 4th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Anybody else watching ‘Wrath of Khan”?
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Scooby Doo. Love this episode.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
You, explaining things? What’s next?
December 4th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
mcxcuse blindly believed in zone defense and zbs…he argued preseason dont mean a thing, he said knapp was ok just needed time 3 whole wins later he is off the bus…he will jump off the DA one soon…
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I gave him until mid season , sometimes they need a few games under the belt , btw your man D couldn’t force 1 punt in the most important game in 10 years, so you got no right to talk sh1t about any other scheme
December 4th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
McFadden,
Didn’t you say we had an agenda when we argued about Knapp?
Do we have an agenda, or are you too slow to realize the facts?
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Yeah but I actually wanted to see knapp until mid -season instead of like making stupid judgements based on 1 season or 1 play ,you guys have failed in your WR assessment, Gio assessment and other things
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Stupid judgement is wanting to give an OC with history of failure time to prove himself.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Sully is here… the IQ vacuum. The chances of intelligent debate is now nearly zero. Everybody stop posting until Sully leaves.
See ya in the morning!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
mcxcuse “we need pressure…” lmao…how do you get pressure when you play zone ten yards of the man, no one over the slot guy? the qb has thrown the ball on his third step back…of course there isnt pressure….football 101…get a notebook.
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Not even 1 punt with everythig on line in week 17 with man D ..no more comments
December 4th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
I guess I should backtrack and see what’s been said. But why bother, it’s all the same.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Joe Bugel was a no nonsense coach. Took no guff. Wielded a heavy stick.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
December 4th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
McFadden,
Didn’t you say we had an agenda when we argued about Knapp?
Do we have an agenda, or are you too slow to realize the facts?
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Yeah but I actually wanted to see knapp until mid -season instead of like making stupid judgements based on 1 season or 1 play ,you guys have failed in your WR assessment, Gio assessment and other things
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Stupid judgement is wanting to give an OC with history of failure time to prove himself.
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What else could you do?? He wasn’t going to be here next year, I gave him until 8 weeks, yeah you guys were right big kudos to you Guys predicted something right for once
December 4th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Gdog Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Sully is here… the IQ vacuum. The chances of intelligent debate is now nearly zero. Everybody stop posting until Sully leaves.
See ya in the morning!
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Bend over, Red Rover, and we’ll see how high an IQ we can reach.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
December 4th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
I guess I should backtrack and see what’s been said. But why bother, it’s all the same.
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Simple.
I speak. You listen. You take notes. You forgot glasses.
repeat.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
mcxcuse this zone defense is doing great huh? every qb has career days against us…how many backups have played against us?
December 4th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Lol I dont need to defend DA cuz he’s going to be here another year regardless what anyone in here thinks of him, but it’s always better to wait and see what you got , instead of over-reacting, Many coaches have done better after their rookie seasons, wether they improved from the year before or gotten worse in their initial year , better wait n see then be sorry later on
December 4th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
REPORT: Jon Gruden WILL take the Raiders job if officially offered, this comes from people close to Gruden
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This guy basically broke what happened with the mcclain situation and was right before even jay glazer had it. He has his source that works for hte raiders.. believe it or not
December 4th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Not one response. You pantyboys would rather frivolous have slap fights than back up your empty statements with any real logical argument.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Old mother Hubbard went to the cupboard to get her old doggy a bone, but when she bent over, old Rover took over, ’cause Rover had a bone of his own.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Ok let’s break this down Hub Arkush is the one who started this today w/Gruden Hub Arkush knows more inside stuff then 99% of everybody
December 4th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
the first step is admitting you were wrong…proud of you mcxcuse…
” …yeah you guys were right…”
December 4th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
remember when I told u Mark Davis had a meeting with Jon Gruden for 2hrs? Guess we know now what they were talking about
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December 4th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
NoPassingZone Says:
Not one response. You pantyboys would rather frivolous have slap fights than back up your empty statements with any real logical argument.=============================
Did you say something intelligent?
December 4th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Al the troll every time you try to talk about Man D I lol loud at their performance when we needed a win to make the playoffs , or AL D , I lol at 7 straight seasons of atleast 11 losses, dude get over it , I’m not here trying to talk bad about past management, you bragging about it like we were the best team over the last 10 years ,little did you know we have the least wins than any teams since 03 , and again the point isn’t about the past point is about now, if ZBS hurts you so much, than go pick another team, oh wait no other team runs that scheme either , poor you , just get with the time lol
December 4th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
dont have too its out the door…catch up son…
December 4th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
NoPassingZone Says:
Not one response. You pantyboys would rather frivolous have slap fights than back up your empty statements with any real logical argument.=============================
Did you say something intelligent?
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What, like a grown man taking the time to type out nursery rhymes on a football blog? STFU!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Sullivan44 Says: I speak. You listen. You take notes. You forgot glasses.====================================
Vodka’s gone. Drinking beer now. No glasses neccesary. Not even to read the label. Hah!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Just read that Mark agreed to 8,050 seat buyout. He agreed opposing teams would get 67%, instead of 50% of the unsold tickets.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
This was taken from another Raider website..
i just emailed arkush from pro football weekly. take it for what its worth but he said “more than just a rumor. nowhere near a done deal. more than agents playing games”. take it for what its worth but i emailed nolan yesterday and he said it was definite;y “more than just rumors”.
i think its ironic that mark davis first made it known publicly he wasnt happy with the team regression the day gruden was here and lit the torch.”
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December 4th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
NoPassingZone Says: ==============================
Having a hard time with that copy and paste? It is difficult for the less intelectually inclined.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Post 219 mc20 i bet your handle that DA wont be back next year. If allen comes back I will change my handle from jackie bibby to McFadden20isPureGenius if he does not you must change you’re name to ImAtroll2013 for the year… You down? How much faith do you have in ya boy?
December 4th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
This is rough, no one should go through this. You’re father passes and rumors start flying about someone on the tails of your job. Damn. Rough spot DA.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
N I’m not fan of certain scheme or certain players , or certain coaches , been through tough times as a fan since 00 , gotten behind evey coach speak , drinked kol-aid every year, but that’s because I tend to think with my heart than my head when it comes to my teams , but believe me, I wanted Cable back, I wanted Hue back ,I want DA back, Rem when they say you can’t really judge the draft until its 3rd year ,the same way you can’t judge coaches until certain point have passed, and the grass isn’t always greener on the otherside, just saying , not worried about anything , DA is going to be here another year, just thought you guys would think rational too but I guess I’m the only 1 with that thinking and you guys have a problem with it cuz I want my team to do well, and build a constitent team , not hire a new coach every year
December 4th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
“Your” – phone
December 4th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Sullivan44 Says: I speak. You listen. You take notes. You forgot glasses.====================================
Vodka’s gone. Drinking beer now. No glasses neccesary. Not even to read the label. Hah!
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The eye socket is designed the way it is for a reason. It’s a perfect bottle remover. Reading afterwards is optional.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
HERE IS THE AUDIO from the ARKUSH interview today. 21 minute mark
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2Fredirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2Fd0%2Fd1%2Fd1%2FdR%2FdV%2FdR%2F11RVR_3.MP3%3Fauthtok%3D5561948870264302692_JYCzkrFFMEFOIDYHAA5X0avFFtQ&podcast_name=Hub+Arkush+Interview+12-04-12&podcast_artist=Boers+and+Bernstein&station_id=391&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.CHI
December 4th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
whats the point if you lose consistently? DA has shown nothing absolutely nothing to change that trend…
December 4th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
You guys wanted Al to stay consistent and stop this hiring madness , now you guys think like Al and want to think that if we could do this or that we would be great just how Al was thinking after 03 years making drastic changes all over the team instead of stick with one coach an letting the team develop with him
December 4th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
What are you talking about McFadden? No team plays man defense?
Dude, I think you should watch more football (other than the Raiders), spend less time arguing with people here, so you can improve your knowledge of the game.
No one plays man?!?
December 4th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
The raiders have only won 58 games since Gruden Left.
Hue jax did his part winning 8 games last season to contribute to that low low number.
DA has won 3 so far
December 4th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Even gruden was only at .500 his first 2 years with way more talented teams, worked out fine from 2000-02,
December 4th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
still 8-8. Superbowl winning coach boi.. not some portland state WR coach.
This is top notch stuff right here
December 4th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
What are you talking about McFadden? No team plays man defense?
Dude, I think you should watch more football (other than the Raiders), spend less time arguing with people here, so you can improve your knowledge of the game.
No one plays man?!?
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Not the way we played, do I have to be like specif about everything for you ??
December 4th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
This was taken from another Raider website..
i just emailed arkush from pro football weekly. take it for what its worth but he said “more than just a rumor. nowhere near a done deal. more than agents playing games”. take it for what its worth but i emailed nolan yesterday and he said it was definite;y “more than just rumors”.
i think its ironic that mark davis first made it known publicly he wasnt happy with the team regression the day gruden was here and lit the torch.”
“
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Get ready, folks. Looking more and more like we will have a homecoming party for Gruden. The man has unfinished business.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
.500 is way better than 0.1875…
December 4th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Mc20 it’s not just the raiders losing its how they lose. They look lost and unprepared every game. It not just talent, these are all professional players here, you dont get blowed out consistently like that in the nfl if you’re prepared thats how we know DA is responsible.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
lol tru
December 4th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
500 is way bettah
December 4th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
So Gruden can’t rebuild a team?
We were 4-12 the year before he got here.
That’s not a rebuild? lol. They just handed him a playoff team, I guess.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
BTW these local media writers kno jack sheeet. They wont know till Gruden will walk through the doors and they have a fat spread of sandwhiches and chips to eat ant the presser.
They are always the last to know anything
December 4th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
If DA was a good HC you would see some improvement each week.
Team gets worse each week.
What does that tell you?
December 4th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
What are you talking about McFadden? No team plays man defense?
Dude, I think you should watch more football (other than the Raiders), spend less time arguing with people here, so you can improve your knowledge of the game.
No one plays man?!?
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Man defense has its merits. In fact, last year when GB was flying high everyone agreed that man defense (granted, if you have the players for it) was really the only way to defend it.
Al was no dummy. He was just a little too in-love with speed for his own good. Speed kills, I get it. But blend in some football instincts, please.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
still 8-8. Superbowl winning coach boi.. not some portland state WR coach.
This is top notch stuff right here
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Did I said anything bad about him?? I’m talking about judging a coach too early ,what if Al was like oh it’s 8-8 is par with how the whole 90s decade was,i need better results , I’m going to fire gruden, would we have learned what gruden could do with this team? Nope
December 4th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
We were 4-12 the year before he got here.
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First year, 8-8, and as I remember his teams were in just about every game. Remember this well because all the talk with the Jano pick was that he’s help us with those close games.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
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Did I said anything bad about him?? I’m talking about judging a coach too early ,what if Al was like oh it’s 8-8 is par with how the whole 90s decade was,i need better results , I’m going to fire gruden, would we have learned what gruden could do with this team? Nope
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did i say you said anything about him?? Im talking about a superbowl winning coach coming back home to finish what he started. Im talking about AFC west titles.. Im talking about AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES… IM TALKING SUPERBOWLS..
IM not talking trying to end a 4 game losing streak and trying to beat the BROWNS AT HOME… U FEEL ME???
December 4th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Post 254 kiwi blade exactly!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
4-12 year before or super winners no body can dispute those teams weren’t talented , I bet you 4-12 team would beat the living sh1t out of any team we trotted out from 03 – present , many people said they can’t believe Raiders didn’t win anything in 90s ,many people have came out and said they were the most underachieving team of the 90s ,talent was always there late early 70s- 2003
December 4th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
REPORT: Jon Gruden WILL take the Raiders job if officially offered, this comes from people close to Gruden
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This guy basically broke what happened with the mcclain situation and was right before even jay glazer had it. He has his source that works for hte raiders.. believe it or not
>> IF its true that Gruden will accept the job IF offered then Mark Davis would be a fool to not offer it. Dennis Allen may end up being a great HC but Gruden has a special in Oakland and hiring him would make the Raiders special again. but if its just a rumor i still think DA can figure this out once he gets some OLINE and/OR DLINE upgrades through the draft
December 4th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Gruden does well with vet players especially QBs, he is a good coach, but he needs a good GM to get him talent. Gruden is not know for drafting and developing talent.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
GRUDEN was the beast coach we have had since along time!
HUE was the 2nd best thing to happend to the Raiders the last decade.
Gruden coming back would be epic
December 4th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
DA fails to motivate the players.
Cork knows.
That’s why he made a point of saying how much shouting was going on when Knapp was running the practice sessions.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
So my reason is of gruden was 8-8 first two years with way more talented team, aren’t you guys expecting too much from him? To lead this scrub team to SB with gruden next year
December 4th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Reports are saying Mckenzie will stay on board ..btw Gruden and Mckenzie have ties to eachother
December 4th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Gruden does well with vet players especially QBs, he is a good coach, but he needs a good GM to get him talent. Gruden is not know for drafting and developing talent.
>> Gruden never needed to develop talent through drafting. he is a master at getting a “team” to play together though. Gruden would win here like before.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Talent is still here now, we just dont have a talented coach that could prove it…
December 4th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
im expecting a REAL RAIDER SUPERBOWL COACH to take the reigns of this ORG and return it back to its winning ways.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Kiwi_Blade Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
If DA was a good HC you would see some improvement each week.
Team gets worse each week.
What does that tell you?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
We need a #1 WR and pass rushers. lol
December 4th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
DA seems like a good guy.. and I bet he would make an awesome college coach or DBACKS coach for the saints or something
December 4th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Gruden can’t develop young players?
Jerry Porter developed pretty dang well under Gruden.
Wheatley was just a 4-year bust in NY before his career seasons for Gruden.
Darrell Russell 3.5 sacks in ‘97, 10.5 and 9 sacks first 2 years with Gruden.
As bad as Dudley was, his yardage and TDs doubled when Gruden arrived.
Quit making stuff up. Exactly what young guys underperformed under his watch?
December 4th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Post 264, thats what you call reading between the lines you see that mc20?
December 4th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
A lot of Gruden to the Raiders rumors swirling.
Get him Mark D.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Not to mention CHARLIE CHOO CHOO GARDNER was awesome.
btw GRUDEN was in training camp this year and he told one of the 95.7 games djs.. “Is DVD every gonna tackle somebody” lol
December 4th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
U think there will be any GRUDEN CHANTS thursday now that all of the raider nation knows??
December 4th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
We need a #1 WR and pass rushers. lol
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Take away Wimbley and we had 32 sacks last year. Those same players have 14 sacks this year. Not even half of last year’s total with only 4 games remaining.
Damn, that’s some serious talent regression. Guess last year’s squad played out of their skin.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
So my reason is of gruden was 8-8 first two years with way more talented team, aren’t you guys expecting too much from him? To lead this scrub team to SB with gruden next year
>> Raiders can improve through the draft. Eastoak had it right when he said they can Trade their top 5 pick for a late first and a 2nd and draft a Center and possible a RT and fix this OLINE. Gruden would have something to work with.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Gnite gents and sweet dreams ( just have strong hearts,when those dreams are shattered) when DA is coach next year lol
December 4th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
lex7 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Gruden can’t develop young players?
Jerry Porter developed pretty dang well under Gruden.
Wheatley was just a 4-year bust in NY before his career seasons for Gruden.
Darrell Russell 3.5 sacks in ‘97, 10.5 and 9 sacks first 2 years with Gruden.
As bad as Dudley was, his yardage and TDs doubled when Gruden arrived.
Quit making stuff up. Exactly what young guys underperformed under his watch?
>> we’ll agree here, Gruden is the Man, best Raider coach in MY football lifetime.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
thats a strong possibility too.. but we will have to ride out with it
December 4th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Da-vid Shaw! Da-vid Shaw!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Alright im out this too.. catch up with yall later.. hopefully tommorow we are one step closer to welcoming JON GRUDEN BACK HOME!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Gruden turned brad Johnson into a sb winning qb, he made rich gannon an mvp qb, he made chris simms a playoff qb, coached jeff Garcia to a pro bowl, made bruce gradkowski servicable… he make players better and is a qb guru wether its palmer or terrel Pryor back there he will have them playing hard and smart. Im a lil bit more excited to see what he could mold tp6 into though.
December 4th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Hey Mcfadden 20,
I tend to agree with you that DA needs more time. What record get him fired next year? Or how many wins does he need to survive next year?
There has to be improvement from this year record-wise. But even in the losses they need to show some heart/competitiveness
Maybe a competitive 8-8 would be absolute limit
December 4th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
I’m pulling for DA, but if he doesn’t get this thing rolling better next year.
Da-vid Shaw Da-vid Shaw
December 4th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Raiders can improve through the draft. Eastoak had it right when he said they can Trade their top 5 pick for a late first and a 2nd and draft a Center and possible a RT and fix this OLINE. Gruden would have something to work with.
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Why would you trade away a top 5 pick?
That’s the area where you get a difference maker!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
All the other players you mentioned were Raiders, and we all know who did the drafting during that period. Like I said he needs a GM to get him talent. I don’t see the point of arguing about what Gruden is known for. He prefers vet players especially QBs, and he is not known for drafting and developing talent. Look at what he did with TB. D Russell was a high pick, and J porter is a bad example. The guy had a below avg career.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Gruden would be a *perfect* match for a vet QB like Carson Palmer – bring in a vet #1 WR (ala Jerry Rice, Tim Brown), use DMC properly (like Charlie Garner) – would have the offense clicking – draft some young talent mix with some vets on defense and the team could have a similar turn around as his first tenure. Unfortunately, this is prob nothing but a rumor – Gruden will publicly deny tomorrow. I hope I’m wrong.
In any case, DA and his jerkoff staff needs to go, they are horrible and the nation and players need something to believe in moving forward. If we can’t get Gruden, bring in somebody with experience and a reputation that demands respect.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
haven’t been on since this afternoon. two posts ago.
gruden, pryor, DA, reggie, palmer, draft, black, white.
did i cover everything?
December 4th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
N I’m not fan of certain scheme or certain players , or certain coaches , been through tough times as a fan since 00 , gotten behind evey coach speak , drinked kol-aid every year, but that’s because I tend to think with my heart than my head when it comes to my teams , but believe me, I wanted Cable back, I wanted Hue back ,I want DA back,
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In other words, you are a full blown idiot who can’t make up his own mind, and needs someone else to do it for him?
sometimes ppl just don’t work out, and cutting the umbilical is the only option.
People like you like to be led.
A nose ring will help the leash I have picked out for you.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
What I said was simple: he is not known for drafting and developing players. Name the players he drafted and developed please. If D Russell and J porter are your best examples then you are in trouble because that supports my statement about him developing talent. Both players had below avg careers. I never denied that he is a good coach that gets the best out of his players.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
If Gruden does not deny these “Rumors” tomorrow there may be some truth to this “Gruden to the Raiders” stuff.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
David Shaw, Chuck Pagano both worked for the Raiders. How come these guys never worked their way into bigger roles?
How’d we end up crawling back to Art Shell? Lane Kiffin?, whom David Shaw’s Cardinal are beating.
Tom Cable?
Al, god bless him, just couldn’t keep up like he needed to anymore.
Now these guys have to pick up the pieces. It’s going to be another year or two.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
290,
You covered it.
Guys, when I heard Arkush make this announcement on Gruden I have to say it really got me excited. Here they are talking Bears football and all of a sudden he makes this “breaking news” announcement on Gruden.
I thought by the time I got inside to log on this “news” was gonna be all over the net and be backed up by other reports and be all over ESPN and NFLN. It wasn’t.
I was thinking why would a respected analyst/media guy like Arkush put this out there? I did not think he was the only one with this info, but it turns out it’s all him; so either he does have special knowledge no one else has…or he’s full of crap and maybe trying to make a name for himself.
His cred will take a hit if there is no truth to this.
It just seems like such a weird announcement with the timing etc. which is why i’m having trouble buying it.
But when a respected guy like Arkush says it there has to be some truth to it somewhere.
We’ll all find out soon enough.
Seems too weird to be true is my thought at this point.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
I want Gruden but not until the end of the year.
We are still in the race for #1 draft pick.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Listen to the Arkush interview – he is saying he was told from 2 reliable sources and that a meeting happened when Gruden lit the torch and Mark Davis came out publicly given a vote of no confidence to DA after Saints blowout. He points out that Gruden would have total power but Reggie would still be in the organization… Pretty wild and having details makes it more believable. Sounds unlikely Reggie would stand for that but certainly would be sweet after the DA fiasco. Guaranteed the players would be totally onboard and lots of vets would want to come play for us again. Make it happen Mark – give him part of the team if you have to.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Kiwi_Blade Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Raiders can improve through the draft. Eastoak had it right when he said they can Trade their top 5 pick for a late first and a 2nd and draft a Center and possible a RT and fix this OLINE. Gruden would have something to work with.
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Why would you trade away a top 5 pick?
That’s the area where you get a difference maker!
>> my thought was to draft the best Dlinemen available, BUT trading back for a late 1st and a 2nd round pick and drafting the CENTER available in the first round would help The OLINE to no nd. WIz could move back to LG. then OAK would need a RT. if the OLINE can GEL this team can compete. OR they could just take Star Lolulei DT from Utah, that dude is a beast
December 4th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
N I’m not fan of certain scheme or certain players , or certain coaches , been through tough times as a fan since 00 , gotten behind evey coach speak , drinked kol-aid every year, but that’s because I tend to think with my heart than my head when it comes to my teams , but believe me, I wanted Cable back, I wanted Hue back ,I want DA back,
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In other words, you are a full blown idiot who can’t make up his own mind, and needs someone else to do it for him?
sometimes ppl just don’t work out, and cutting the umbilical is the only option.
People like you like to be led.
A nose ring will help the leash I have picked out for you.
>> Al Davis is dead and now the Raiders have a GM and a “Modern” defense without all of that M2M “outdated” bump and run coverage. That was the way to victory according to YOU. 3-13
December 4th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Kiwi_Blade Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
I want Gruden but not until the end of the year.
We are still in the race for #1 draft pick.
>> Gruden wouldn’t be brought in until the day after the 13th loss. at least i don’t THINK MD would bring him in NOW.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Hub Arkush has been the publisher and editor of profootballweekly for 31 years. He doesn’t need name recognition or fame. He probably BELIEVES he has credible intel on gruden coming back to OAK.Arkush has been around for a LONG time
December 4th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Just got home from work, man its easy to get at these bronco gloaters. I always tell them they sold their soul for Manning and sent Tebow up the river, always gets um reminiscing like an ex-girlfriend lol.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
sullivan is known, and has always been known, on this blog and in real life, by everyone, to be a complete dick.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
sullivan is upset because he found out al davis allowed the entire defense to run a train on his mom in training camp in 1977.
she was at the bar when she got picked up by phil villapiano. he was asleep in the car. wandered in and witnessed it. poor kid.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
sullivan is known, and has always been known, on this blog and in real life, by everyone, to be a complete dick.
>. fakemaddenRaiders now knowns as Sandusky44 is an idiot plain and simple. an Al davis hater and now that AD has died and the Raiders have “modernized” and are WORSE, sandusky hides.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
New Hierarchy
Gruden: HC/GM
McKenzie: Team President/Head of Player Personnel and Scouting
DA : Defensive Coordinator, Assistant HC
DA keeps his job, he’s not ready to be a HC anyway, maybe he will in 3-4 years learning under Gruden.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Who the hell is buying these tickets??? No way in hell would I pay to see a Knapp ran offense.
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85% rule. They relaxed the sellout policy. And of course, its much easier and effective to complain here online and on the Raider Chat.
Gruden rumors may bring out the signage ; Chucky Come Back, Child’s Play 2, etc.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
New Hierarchy
Gruden: HC/GM
McKenzie: Team President/Head of Player Personnel and Scouting
DA : Defensive Coordinator, Assistant HC
DA keeps his job, he’s not ready to be a HC anyway, maybe he will in 3-4 years learning under Gruden.
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Novel approach. Gruden likely would want a lot more control and select his own staff. The upside MIGHT be he could get a little more leeway with knowledgeable, proven coordinators, who in turn, could get better free agents. The downside is scrubs like Shawn King and a lot of people throwing him under the bus…admittedly he did win with Dungy’s defense, but he never had a losing season in Oakland.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
I’ll be at the Chiefs game next week – Unless Gruden comes out publicly and denies rumor by then, I’ll be leading the ‘Chucky, Chucky, Chucky’ chants..
December 4th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Gruden only has 1 losing season on his resume I believe, and that was mainly due to the personnel fallout after the SB when the Bucs lost many players due to FA and retirement and just getting old (plus the Saints got really good). He had 2 back to back 9-7 seasons before being let go. He built a SB team in Oakland and took another to the SB and won it. The guys legit. He’s already rich beyond belief so maybe its not about money its about loyalty and legacy? Maybe something to it when Papa says he heard Gruden talk about unfinished business.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Listen to the Arkush interview – he is saying he was told from 2 reliable sources and that a meeting happened when Gruden lit the torch and Mark Davis came out publicly given a vote of no confidence to DA after Saints blowout. He points out that Gruden would have total power but Reggie would still be in the organization… Pretty wild and having details makes it more believable. Sounds unlikely Reggie would stand for that but certainly would be sweet after the DA fiasco. Guaranteed the players would be totally onboard and lots of vets would want to come play for us again. Make it happen Mark – give him part of the team if you have to.
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Okay, I was under the impression Arkush ran with the Greg Papa story. Perhaps more players would be encouraged to stay and we get the Harbaugh effect “turn around” with a few more players coming in through the draft.
Best news ALL YEAR, to be sure.
It does not look good for Allen that two blowouts came against teams he previously coached for…also for Papa to run with that old story on 95.7 The Game tells you even the media think Allen is in over his head. You’d never do that to a rookie head coach..mention Gruden and coaching during the season while a new group is attempting to build a reputation and re-brand the image?
““Mark my words — there are going to be some changes in Oakland. I think the son (Mark Davis) will keep digging into (his dad Al’s) past until he finds something that works.”
-Pro Football Weekly, “Audibles”
December 4th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
I’ll be at the Chiefs game next week – Unless Gruden comes out publicly and denies rumor by then, I’ll be leading the ‘Chucky, Chucky, Chucky’ chants..
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Those chants will get louder and louder with each Denver Touchdown.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:00 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
290,
You covered it.
Guys, when I heard Arkush make this announcement on Gruden I have to say it really got me excited. Here they are talking Bears football and all of a sudden he makes this “breaking news” announcement on Gruden.
I thought by the time I got inside to log on this “news” was gonna be all over the net and be backed up by other reports and be all over ESPN and NFLN. It wasn’t.
I was thinking why would a respected analyst/media guy like Arkush put this out there? I did not think he was the only one with this info, but it turns out it’s all him; so either he does have special knowledge no one else has…or he’s full of crap and maybe trying to make a name for himself.
His cred will take a hit if there is no truth to this.
It just seems like such a weird announcement with the timing etc. which is why i’m having trouble buying it.
But when a respected guy like Arkush says it there has to be some truth to it somewhere.
We’ll all find out soon enough.
Seems too weird to be true is my thought at this point.
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I just cant believe Gruden would be doing this to gain leverage on a deal with the Tennessee Volunteers.
How ironic would it be for Gruden to snatch Kiffin up from SC’s staff?
December 5th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Scratch that – he had 3 losing seasons w/Bucs 7-9, 5-11, and 4-12 but also had 4 winning seasons, 3 division titles and 1 SB win. Still, pretty good – better than anything we’ve seen in 10 years..
December 5th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Raider O
Gruden got the BEST out of players,
but didn’t develop players to your satisfaction.
Seems contradictory.
Not sure how much you can develop players’ CAREERS when you’re only with a team for 4 years.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:03 am
CDERaider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Listen to the Arkush interview – he is saying he was told from 2 reliable sources and that a meeting happened when Gruden lit the torch and Mark Davis came out publicly given a vote of no confidence to DA after Saints blowout. He points out that Gruden would have total power but Reggie would still be in the organization… Pretty wild and having details makes it more believable. Sounds unlikely Reggie would stand for that but certainly would be sweet after the DA fiasco. Guaranteed the players would be totally onboard and lots of vets would want to come play for us again. Make it happen Mark – give him part of the team if you have to.
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This delirious, you’d have to be completely insane to give a coach part of a team to come and coach. Gruden will be lucky to get the opportunity again. he left as much as he was traded Mrs Davis’ would strip her son of everything before she would allow something that freakin stupid.
You guys are crazy about Gruden she isn’t. It is amazing to see just how silly fans can be.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:08 am
And if Davis has any aspirations to moving back to LA, Hiring Gruden as a precursor would make ahella-ofalot of sense. Gruden is a big media draw and he would play well in LA especially opposed to a laughable bore like DA – although I would hate the team to move from Oakland.. but if its true the stadium Oak situation is not remotely tenable and is a serious detriment to the future health of the organization….
December 5th, 2012 at 12:09 am
Gruden didn’t biuld a damn thing here he was lucky to get the job and had zero say over personnel unless he was asked. Mr Davis would throw him a bone every now and again but you guys are off your rockers. Gruden tried to get his father and brother hired here and Mr Davis simply told him I hired YOU not your freakin family. Gruden then started looking elsewhere ending in a divorce and trade to TB.
He’s a coach guys and a good one but he aint he panacea to NFL coaching…….sober up!
December 5th, 2012 at 12:13 am
This is the thing we should all be the most afraid of. Mark Davis knows nothing about football and has admitted as much publicly.
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I keep seeing this paraphrased quote repeated in here. Please stop, because it’s not true. Mark never said that he knows nothing about football. In fact, he likely knows more about football than anyone posting in here. He grew up with one of the all time legends in shaping the NFL as his father and around an elite organization. There’s no way that he doesn’t know tons about the sport from the inside, where none of us will ever see.
What Mark did say when he announced that he brought on Reggie is that he knows what he doesn’t know and that he wants to bring in someone with expertise to run his football operations. That makes him exactly like the 29 of the other 31 owners and vast majority of every other owner in history not named Al Davis. No shame in that stance.
This is no different than running any other multi-million dollar corporation. The CEO or owner in this case is a different role the person running the company operations (COO or GM in the football world) as each are demanding, more than full time jobs. In fact, trying to do both is usually a foolish choice because it spreads one person too thin and puts them in a position to fail in both roles.
So please stop connecting dots that shouldn’t be connected around Mark’s choice to bring in executive help and an utter lack of knowledge about running a football team.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:19 am
Not a panacea, but what other respected, popular, young, super bowl *winning* coach would ever want to come to this disaster considering the gigantic mess they’re in. Coaching, personnel, attitude, fan base, all in free-fall. DA is a bust, no way he gets another year and *anybody* is buying they will improve and forget about getting any decent coordinators or FA’s to come here unless you drastically overpay. Just saying the organization, fans, players, could *really* use some Chucky right now. The team sucked after he came post Joe Bugel when he came in and immediately released 26 players and brought in quality guys. If he’s done it before he can do it again – Reggie and Chucky could make a very good team. They both have Green Bay roots and both come from the same coaching/philosophy tree. Just sayin..
December 5th, 2012 at 12:21 am
This delirious, you’d have to be completely insane to give a coach part of a team to come and coach. Gruden will be lucky to get the opportunity again. he left as much as he was traded Mrs Davis’ would strip her son of everything before she would allow something that freakin stupid.
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Well, this exact scenario did actually happen once before. This guy named Al Davis once coached a team called the Raiders. He then left to take on another job in football (AFL Commissioner). After he left that job, the owners of that Raiders team offered Al 10% of the team ownership and complete control as a condition for him to come back to coach and run the team.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:21 am
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Who the hell is buying these tickets??? No way in hell would I pay to see a Knapp ran offense.
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why, missdick and priest and their families. it’s all in anticipation of the new wave that is upon us. don’t u know? pryor dressed last week! he’s practically in the hall of fame!
December 5th, 2012 at 12:22 am
lol priestt
are Gannon and Rice some of those “bones” Davis thew Gruden? If so, that’s pretty much Gruden building the team right there.
Or are you saying it was Davis’ idea to bring a noodle-armed backup QB and a 40-year old slow WR? Cuz you know that’s what Davis loves.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:22 am
A number of sites seem to be running with the Arkush story.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:24 am
I believe Davis may have been involved in the Rice signing, but Gannon? You would be out of your flippin mind to think Gannon was Davis’ idea.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:25 am
Report: Raiders talking to Gruden about return
By The Sports Xchange via Yahoo! Sports
Former NFL coach Jon Gruden is in talks to return to the Oakland Raiders, Pro Football Weekly reported on Tuesday.
The report comes a day after the current coach, Dennis Allen, left the team to attend the funeral of his father who died Monday.
Early in November, Raiders owner Mark Davis voiced his frustration with the team, which is 3-9 after losing five in a row. In the past week, reports have surfaced about the Allen’s job being in jeopardy after one season.
Gruden was probably the most liked coach of the Raiders since Tom Flores retired in 1987. Gruden coached in Oakland from 1998-2001, compiling a 38-26 record after working as the receivers coach for Andy Reid with the Philadelphia Eagles.
He left Oakland in 2002 for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, which he guided to a Super Bowl victory over the Raiders that season. He was traded to the Bucs by late owner Al Davis for two first-round draft picks, two second-round picks and $8 million.
Gruden was fired by the Bucs after the 2008 season after producing only two more playoff trips. He has a 95-81 career head-coaching record.
In 2009, Gruden joined ESPN as a color analyst for Monday Night Football as well as various football specials. He has been sought for a number of coaching positions since then, including the University of Tennessee job, which he publicly turned down last week.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Could Raiders pursue Jon Gruden?
December, 4, 2012
DEC 4
10:23
PM ET
By Bill Williamson
A report out of Chicago claims that the Raiders are “in talks” to bring back Jon Gruden as coach.
OK, OK, Raider Nation, quiet down. I can hear your squeals of delight from here.
But hold off a bit. I don’t want to discount any report, but I am not going to get too much into this until there is more. I want to acknowledge it, but until there is more steam, I think we have to say it is a long shot. But anything can happen and it is worth keeping an eye on.
But I think, many, many things would have to happen before something so dramatic would occur. Gruden has said he is committed to ESPN’s “Monday Night Football.” This is not the first report about Gruden’s future and it very likely won’t be the last.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Kiwi_Blade Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
DA fails to motivate the players.
Cork knows.
That’s why he made a point of saying how much shouting was going on when Knapp was running the practice sessions.
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One of two things here:
One, either knapp was shouting out of frustration cause no one was listening
Two, the players were doing the shouting
Three, knapp may have been ranting due to a frustrating season. But still, my money says no one was listening. Or what the hey, knapp could have been auditioning for the next HC job that opens up. He’d make a good fit in Jacksonville.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:29 am
Report: Jon Gruden talking to the Raiders about a return
Posted by Mike Florio on December 4, 2012, 8:18 PM EST
AP
Last week, former Raiders and Bucs coach Jon Gruden supposedly was in talks to return to the University of Tennessee, where he once served as a graduate assistant.
This week, former Raiders and Bucs coach Jon Gruden supposedly is in talks to return to the Raiders, where he once served as the head coach.
That’s what Hub Arkush of Pro Football Weekly told WSCR in Chicago earlier today.
It’s good that Gruden has made it clear that he’s committed to ESPN. If he hadn’t, the rumors would be really out of control.
This specific rumor seems to be a little far fetched. Then again, the fact that new owner Mark Davis isn’t happy with the direction of the team could make him interested in talking to Gruden. And since Gruden is interested in maximizing his leverage, it makes sense that Gruden would listen.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:29 am
LOL So wait some one from the organization leaked out the word that they want gruden back on the day DA father passed away? more like one of these posters writing for the Bleachersblog and want to get hits with that stupid crap or they are just filling up their posts and thought DA was sent home and his dad’s sick was just an excuse lol, all speculating, hard to believe the story would pick up on the day DA’s dad passed away, I mean mark can’t be that classless telling people around that he wants Gruden back on the day this happened and with 5 games to go , LMAO
December 5th, 2012 at 12:30 am
According to Hub Arkush of ProFootballWeekly.com, via Dan Bernstein of CSNChicago.com, the Oakland Raiders are talking with Jon Gruden about a possible return. . @hub_arkush of @profootballwkly just told @boers_bernstein that Jon Gruden and the #Raiders are in talks to bring him back to Oakland. — Dan Bernstein (@dan_bernstein) December 4, 2012 This is a very interesting development, I wonder how serious these talks are. Don’t forget Gruden made it clear he’s happy with his ESPN gig. But then again, it seems like he’s really itching to get back into coaching.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:32 am
Report: Raiders ‘in talks’ with Gruden
December 4, 2012, 5:27 pm
csnbayarea
Raiders fans have been salivating over the potential — yet unfounded — return of Jon Gruden since he floated his intentions of returning to NFL sidelines as a coach on Nov. 8.
The “Bring back Chucky” movement received fuel Tuesday when CBSChicago.com reported that Gruden and the Raiders are “in talks to bring him back to Oakland.”
Gruden coached the Raiders from 1998-2001, compiling a 38-26 record and a 2-2 playoff mark. He led the Buccaneers a Super Bowl title in 2002 after leaving Oakland.
Gruden, 49, last coached in 2008 and has been broadcasting NFL games since 2009. He has been linked to the Philadelphia Eagles and, most recently, to the University of Tennessee.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:32 am
LOL I would LMFAO if Gruden is hired to serve in the management, much ado for nothing lol
December 5th, 2012 at 12:33 am
Please explain, seriously: All of you who continue to post day after day, week after week, that McKenzie & Allen inhereted such a horrible mess and lost so much talent due to salary cap issues that the slide to 3-10 isn’t their fault. Who exactly did we lose from 2011 to 2012 that caused this 3-10 season? Names?
* Wimbley? He had 1 maybe 2 good games last year and vanished for the rest. Good riddance. No loss. If Allen and Tarver can’t devise some defensive schemes to get more pressure on the QB, it’s on them. We have talented young guys on our D-line…just no coaching.
* Routt? He was a terrible CB his entire career here and was cut from the cheifs midway through this season. No loss there. Who did Big Reg bring in to replace him? Bartell? Spenser? Adams? Hansen? All pathetic.
* Boss? Myers is an improvement. No loss.
* Murphy? I liked him, but we have a stable of young talented WRs. No loss.
*Satele? Yes, we are feeling his absense, but Reggie Mcfattass/Pollack/Allen decided Wiz shoukd take over at Center, what did Bob Wiley know anyhow? This staff could have retained the entire functioning O-line intact along with a power blocking scheme that worked, and worked well. Not to mention fit the personnel we had. Satele, on the other hand has started every game this year for the 8-4 Colts protecting Franchise QB Luck. I guess Reggie didn’t think he was a “football player”.
Where is all this talent that we lost??? There are a few guys who Reggie & Allen axed who I feel could have helped the team, but they weren’t due to salary cap issues. If I’m missing a couple names, please tell me who they are and how their loss caused the regression. The truth is the Three Stooges (Mark/Dennis/Reggie) inhereted virtually the exact same team that went 8-8 two years in a row…and they crapped the bed.
I dont agree with a lot of Jerry MacDonalds ideas, but I do agree with him that teams rarely lose players they want to keep due to salary cap issues. it’s used as an excuse to drop players they don’t feel are worth paying.
What in God’s name are you seeing out of Allen or Reggie that gives you any confidence in either? If ever there has been a coach who deserved to be fired it’s Allen. I am truly sorry for his loss. But emotions out aside, he has shown no sign that he deserves a second year. Where does all your faith in him come from? Certainly not through any results. Logical arguments please.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:36 am
so, yahoo, nbc, espn, csn, and pro football weekly are all reporting this rumor..
i can’t believe i’m saying this, but it could actually have legs.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:36 am
Well, it truly would be great to have Gruden return, and would send the NFL world a message and would be a bold, brash move by Mark Davis, makes sense on so many levels. But, its likely a cruel rumor.. considering that he prob makes 10 mil or so a year at espn, and the other myriad of jobs and offers out there (prob has his pick of 10 or more HC jobs, mostly all for more money than the Raiders could pay), it seems even more remote.
With DA, its back to 2006 all over again, maybe worse.. We’re screwed. Night. Hope there’s good news tomorrow.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:36 am
Gruden didn’t biuld a damn thing here he was lucky to get the job and had zero say over personnel unless he was asked.
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Gruden brought the most important thing for his success here with him from Philiadelphia. He brought Bill Callahan as OC/OL coach. Under Callahan the Raiders had arguably the best line in football, leading the league in back to back seasons in least sacks allowed as well as leading the league one year in passing and Yanother in rushing.
Yes, it was Gruden’s offense that Callahan was the steward of, but it was Callahan’s OL that made it tick.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:38 am
If Gruden is hired it will be the after our last game of the season. He will have to make sweeping changes and quickly, to get this team ready to go next season. He can do it with high powered energy.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:38 am
The truth is the Three Stooges (Mark/Dennis/Reggie) inhereted virtually the exact same team that went 8-8 two years in a row…and they crapped the bed.
** With a much better QB who had the entire offseason and camp to prepare **
December 5th, 2012 at 12:39 am
biggest move gruden made was gannon. he was a journeyman in most people’s eyes, but he had put up steve young-lite type of stats in his time as a starter. he was a perfect match for gruden’s offense. smart, accurate, mobile, experienced. wait. that sounds like one of our qb’s.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:41 am
NoPassingZone Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:38 am
The truth is the Three Stooges (Mark/Dennis/Reggie) inhereted virtually the exact same team that went 8-8 two years in a row…and they crapped the bed.
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yes, the one that finished 1-4 last season. great point. that finish predicted this year’s results. that’s of course what u meant, right?
December 5th, 2012 at 12:42 am
Wins – losses can be twisted in any way and you can make argument against some one or for some one, whether DA deserves another chance or not is another story, what i want to know is if you guys believe Hue should have been retained and Hue was the reason we went 8-8 8-8 two years in a row , which came on the heals of 7 straight years going 5 wins or less , and Gruden went 8-8 8-8 two years in a row on the heal of one bad year and the team had only posted 2 years under 7 wins before he took over dating back to early 70s, so wouldn’t that argument be used to make Hue >>> Gruden , should we have retained Hue and maybe he might have turned out to be better than Gruden ??? No???
December 5th, 2012 at 12:43 am
Well, it truly would be great to have Gruden return, and would send the NFL world a message and would be a bold, brash move by Mark Davis, makes sense on so many levels. But, its likely a cruel rumor.. considering that he prob makes 10 mil or so a year at espn, and the other myriad of jobs and offers out there (prob has his pick of 10 or more HC jobs, mostly all for more money than the Raiders could pay), it seems even more remote.
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According the ‘net, many report that he’s making $4.3M per year at ESPN. That’s a little less than 10 and in the range that other HCs with personnel power are getting. He also said just like a week or two on one of the broadcasts that he was entertaining the thought of returning to coaching.
More fuel on that fire in this article http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000091897/article/jon-gruden-wants-to-coach-again-two-reports-say-yes that says he’d only be interested in coaching in a large media market. That’s not Oakland, but then Oakland has one of the biggest national fan bases, so maybe that counts in his book? Otherwise, if there is any substance to these rumors of talks with Mark, maybe he’s just testing his market value right now.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:45 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:41 am
NoPassingZone Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:38 am
The truth is the Three Stooges (Mark/Dennis/Reggie) inhereted virtually the exact same team that went 8-8 two years in a row…and they crapped the bed.
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yes, the one that finished 1-4 last season. great point. that finish predicted this year’s results. that’s of course what u meant, right?
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What I meant was exactly what I said. 8-8 team that would had made the playoffs had they been able to stop a drive. Remember a guy named chuck Breshanhan? we lost many of those games with a lead in 3rd quater.
Explain to me how the 3-10 isn’t the coaches fault.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:46 am
this would be the week to bring gruden in. DA hasn’t been here all week. knapp would be the interim for this game. gruden comes in for a long week of prep.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:48 am
NoPassingZone Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:45 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:41 am
NoPassingZone Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:38 am
The truth is the Three Stooges (Mark/Dennis/Reggie) inhereted virtually the exact same team that went 8-8 two years in a row…and they crapped the bed.
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yes, the one that finished 1-4 last season. great point. that finish predicted this year’s results. that’s of course what u meant, right?
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What I meant was exactly what I said. 8-8 team that would had made the playoffs had they been able to stop a drive. Remember a guy named chuck Breshanhan? we lost many of those games with a lead in 3rd quater.
Explain to me how the 3-10 isn’t the coaches fault.
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woulda, coulda, shoulda……..didn’t.
1-4 in the last third of the season pretty much looked about like what this team has looked like so far.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:48 am
No passing zone I agree with all your points DA has done nothing to warrant a second year. Hue didn’t get one after nearly getting us to the play offs. Bring back Gruden at any cost.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:50 am
3-10 is definitely partly due to the coaching. but it has a whole lot to do with the players. last time i checked, the coaches don’t have little strings attached to the players. no playstation controllers either.
the players know how to play. they just aren’t very good at it.
but i don’t see anything this staff has done that gives me confidence in them either.
and they appear to be starting to feel the heat. their looks and responses have started to look a little frazzled.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Where is all this talent that we lost??? [...]
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The biggest loss, that wasn’t mentioned is Seymour. His body is still here but the level of play that he once was capable of is no longer here. His presence and huge push in the middle is why Wimbley found success.
In fact, if you look at when the defense went in the crapper mid last year, it was about the same time Seymour disappeared. Even then I recall writing here that he seemed to be vanishing in the second half of games and I was wondering if conditioning were a problem. In hindsight, that was probably just the beginning of the end for his ability to dominate, where he could only perform at his high level when at his freshest.
It’s possible that the knee injuries actually started at that point and have just worn him down to the point where it’s not worth the pain for him to push through it to stay at his old level.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Defense is crap DA no defensive genius! Knapp what a joke, oline is crap, special teams non existent. How can all phases of the team be so bad?
December 5th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Ray_d Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:48 am
No passing zone I agree with all your points DA has done nothing to warrant a second year. Hue didn’t get one after nearly getting us to the play offs. Bring back Gruden at any cost.
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hue didn’t get one for different reasons:
1-4 down the stretch.
new gm.
DA normally should be given 2-3 years before deciding. but the team has “regressed’ so much that it’s hard to get excited about another year of this.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:54 am
Zymurge Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Where is all this talent that we lost??? [...]
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The biggest loss, that wasn’t mentioned is Seymour. His body is still here but the level of play that he once was capable of is no longer here. His presence and huge push in the middle is why Wimbley found success.
In fact, if you look at when the defense went in the crapper mid last year, it was about the same time Seymour disappeared. Even then I recall writing here that he seemed to be vanishing in the second half of games and I was wondering if conditioning were a problem. In hindsight, that was probably just the beginning of the end for his ability to dominate, where he could only perform at his high level when at his freshest.
It’s possible that the knee injuries actually started at that point and have just worn him down to the point where it’s not worth the pain for him to push through it to stay at his old level.
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i have said this numerous times.
seymour’s injuries and decline have hurt the entire line.
dmc’s injuries/poor production have really hurt.
wiz’s move to center and preseason injury hurt.
mcclain’s very presence hurt them badly.
both starting corners being out for most of the year hurt.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:54 am
not having a backup long snapper hurt.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:55 am
Time to cut our loses with DA, just like we knew bringing back Art shell was a mistake. DA is a failed experiment, he is not ready to be a head coach, may be years before he is ready to make that transition if ever
December 5th, 2012 at 12:55 am
NoPassingZone Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:45 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:41 am
NoPassingZone Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:38 am
The truth is the Three Stooges (Mark/Dennis/Reggie) inhereted virtually the exact same team that went 8-8 two years in a row…and they crapped the bed.
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yes, the one that finished 1-4 last season. great point. that finish predicted this year’s results. that’s of course what u meant, right?
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What I meant was exactly what I said. 8-8 team that would had made the playoffs had they been able to stop a drive. Remember a guy named chuck Breshanhan? we lost many of those games with a lead in 3rd quater.
Explain to me how the 3-10 isn’t the coaches fault.
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Chuck wasn’t that bad in 02? so would you say the talent is problem? would you say some one was a better pash rusher than wimbly on our roster? some one put more pressures on qbs than him”? would you say this years kelly with more mileage is better than last years kelly? or this years seymour, who hasn’t practiced in months due to sore knees? those 3 guys combined for 22+ rest of the team had 17, so it def makes a lot of difference, OC is another story but i have seen this team struggle to score against good Ds or good overall teams and some of those performances came in times when we really needed them to win , 34-0 going into 4th quarter in week 13 , 34-0 midway 3rd quarter in week 14, nothing against Hue, but if you guys want to say he was awesome , then explain how could he get his team to win 7 games so fast? but couldn’t win 1 with everything on line? not to mention barely squuezed by Chicago and KC , which prevented us from going 0-6 down the stretch , could you say those wins were just lucky ? i think so , because if they were good or HUE was that good , you get things down in the clutch with so much to play for , again I’m only critizing Hue cuz u guys think he was some god or something, we been lacking talent 10 years and going , it won’t change until we get rid of bad contracts and start drafting good , who freaking cares which guy won more games in a meaningless seasons, or which unit is progressing or regressing, it isn’t indicator of things to come
December 5th, 2012 at 12:59 am
Hue had passion and he loved the Raiders! He had the team going I the right direction. DA had no clue what it means to be a Raider!
December 5th, 2012 at 12:59 am
Zymurge Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Where is all this talent that we lost??? [...]
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The biggest loss, that wasn’t mentioned is Seymour. His body is still here but the level of play that he once was capable of is no longer here. His presence and huge push in the middle is why Wimbley found success.
In fact, if you look at when the defense went in the crapper mid last year, it was about the same time Seymour disappeared. Even then I recall writing here that he seemed to be vanishing in the second half of games and I was wondering if conditioning were a problem. In hindsight, that was probably just the beginning of the end for his ability to dominate, where he could only perform at his high level when at his freshest.
It’s possible that the knee injuries actually started at that point and have just worn him down to the point where it’s not worth the pain for him to push through it to stay at his old level.
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I agree about Seymour disappearing, but the coaches decide who starts and how many downs they play. if a guy can’t even practice all week and then does very little in the game, reduce his snaps. Coach the team!
December 5th, 2012 at 1:01 am
Bill Belichic lost more games with Pats in first year, than the Pats lost the year before with whichever headcoach they had, and he has won the most SB’s since he took over, is the guy with most SB’s among active coaches, not to mention probably in top 5 with SB wins, nobody can make a claim they made it to 5 SB’s, should the Pats have cut losses because he regressed from year before, and he wasn’t even a rookie coach?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:03 am
ray_d Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:59 am
Hue had passion and he loved the Raiders! He had the team going I the right direction. DA had no clue what it means to be a Raider!
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Again I’m going to say we lack talent since 03, any year you could win 1 or 2 more games , it also depends on the schedule and the schedule has proven only 1 win came against a good team in last 2 years, but if you still going to worship Hue, tell me how was the team going into right direction after finishing 1-4 down the stretch?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:07 am
I understand why Hue was let go, he didn’t make the playoffs especially after the trade for Palmer, mark is on record saying this was the reason, but what has DA done to warrant another year? All I hear is excuses o why this team is embarrassed not just beat but embarrassed week after week after we have been competitive the last couple of years
December 5th, 2012 at 1:07 am
Chuck wasn’t that bad in 02? so would you say the talent is problem? would you say some one was a better pash rusher than wimbly on our roster? some one put more pressures on qbs than him”? would you say this years kelly with more mileage is better than last years kelly? or this years seymour, who hasn’t practiced in months due to sore knees? those 3 guys combined for 22+ rest of the team had 17, so it def makes a lot of difference, OC is another story but i have seen this team struggle to score against good Ds or good overall teams and some of those performances came in times when we really needed them to win , 34-0 going into 4th quarter in week 13 , 34-0 midway 3rd quarter in week 14, nothing against Hue, but if you guys want to say he was awesome , then explain how could he get his team to win 7 games so fast? but couldn’t win 1 with everything on line? not to mention barely squuezed by Chicago and KC , which prevented us from going 0-6 down the stretch , could you say those wins were just lucky ? i think so , because if they were good or HUE was that good , you get things down in the clutch with so much to play for , again I’m only critizing Hue cuz u guys think he was some god or something, we been lacking talent 10 years and going , it won’t change until we get rid of bad contracts and start drafting good , who freaking cares which guy won more games in a meaningless seasons, or which unit is progressing or regressing, it isn’t indicator of things to come
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I don’t think I ever mentioned Hue, I do not think he was God’s gift to coaching, but he was better than Allen in every aspect. My only point is many people include Reggie Mckenzie want to blame the salary cap and loss of talent from 2011 to 2012 for the loss. Wimbly was a dud last year, 1 maybe 2 good games. AWL for the other 14. The team was virtually the same that had went 8-8 the two previous years…the biggest change was a rookie HC who decided to overhaul Offense, Defense, and Speacial Teams in one year. How can you not see that?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:12 am
mc20—my experience and head tells me that firing DA just puts us back to square one, even though it’s deflating to think about keeping him cuz basically, i’ve seen nothing that makes me excited.
however, mark davis is his father’s son. he may not be Al, but he spent a lifetime around him. he may just not like what he sees and could be getting ready to yell “abort, abort! reset!”
i love gruden. played little league with him and his brother growing up (his dad was on notre dame’s staff and i grew up in south bend).
but i have thought all of this “get gruden back” talk was preposterous. just didn’t see a coach going back to a team, ever. let alone a team that traded him.
but i have heard him talk glowingly about his respect for al davis and especially raiders fans.
these reports shocked me. i’m having trouble believing them. but a lot of legit news outlets are talking about it, and it does make a certain amount of sense, given gruden was just here, and immediately around that time, mark davis started talking a bit about things in not so great terms.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:13 am
B belichic went 5-11 in first year with Pats
95 11-5 Parcells
96 10-6 Carrol
97 9-7 Carrol
98 8-8 Carrol
99 5-11 Belichick *wasn’t a rookie coach*
Totally regressed from last 4 years , but the career turned out to be in top 5 of head coaches 3 SB outta 5, not bad for some one who regressed, if these guys were there, they would have ran him out for some other guy, who could have went 12-4 like NORV TURNER and only just a playoff team and would have been pleased, LMAO while Belichic would have been winning Superbowls some place else LMAO, so if we regressed from last year that makes Hue >>> DA, so lemme guess you guys thought Callahan >>> GRUDEN after 02 season LMFAO you guys are ridiculous
December 5th, 2012 at 1:14 am
DA hasn’t done anything to make me want him to come back, other than i know that it does take a staff a couple years to get going. that’s the only reason to bring him back.
however, if u feel as a gm or owner that it simply was a mistake and u don’t feel it will get any better now that u have seen it up close, then waiting is dumb.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:17 am
So according to regression and work with same team , would anybody argue 98 and 99 >>> 10 and 11 talent wise,nope, and 98 coming off just 1 losing year, 10 coming off 7 straight years winning 5 games or less, so does that means HUE >>> GRUDEN?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:18 am
i wonder if bringing jay gruden in as OC would be in order.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:22 am
I’m sure if you compare belichick first season with DA’s you won’t find many simularties at all. We are not even close in most of these games we are not getting better, we are regressing on every level.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:23 am
Is anyone else curious why Reggie Mckenzie’s press conference which they had at least 5 days to prepare for was not available in video or even audio? They always film the coach and assistants pressers. When Al spoke, it was a media event. With all the different videos posted on Raiders.com why was there only a typed transcript available?
Hmmmm… could it be that the man is a complete imbecile? Could it be that he comes across as so stupid that the PR people decided he they couldn’t possibly put him out there for public ridicule? Think about it, not one of the reporters was allowed to record the press conference and make it available to the public. I can’t say I’m surprized after hearing him make his opening “speech” when he was intoduced. He could barely read. let him stick around and be the puppet GM when Gruden gets here, let him play with the light beams in the basement with his brother while the real men get this thing back on track.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:26 am
You can use any argument against DA you want, but rookie coaches are no difference than rookie players, even some highly touted players take about 2 years to get going and same with highly touted coaches, does not mean that a top pick will work out to be a top pick, but you don’t just blindly get rid of your top pick, you give them time to see what they can do , you will never know that player could turn out to be the greatest ever, many players who are considered great like Rice at their respective positions, weren’t even highly touted , but they made progress, you keep them to see what they can really show you from year to year, hiring coaches is just a gamble, you don’t really know whats making them successful, could you really make an arguement for John Harbaugh that he’s really that good ? I mean take that D out and give them Raiders D , you think his O approach is same, We have learned what Andy Reid could do without their long term DCo Jim Johnson, would B Cowher and Mike Tomlin look good coaches, if they hadn’t had D Lebeu leading the charge? see what i mean, everything is just a huge gamble , winning coaches have went to other places and lost, losing coaches have went to other places and have won, so why can’t we just give DA another chance instead of just taking a calculated gamble on a 4th coach in 4 years?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:27 am
NoPassingZone Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:23 am
Is anyone else curious why Reggie Mckenzie’s press conference which they had at least 5 days to prepare for was not available in video or even audio? They always film the coach and assistants pressers. When Al spoke, it was a media event. With all the different videos posted on Raiders.com why was there only a typed transcript available?
Hmmmm… could it be that the man is a complete imbecile? Could it be that he comes across as so stupid that the PR people decided he they couldn’t possibly put him out there for public ridicule? Think about it, not one of the reporters was allowed to record the press conference and make it available to the public. I can’t say I’m surprized after hearing him make his opening “speech” when he was intoduced. He could barely read. let him stick around and be the puppet GM when Gruden gets here, let him play with the light beams in the basement with his brother while the real men get this thing back on track.
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the dude isn’t a great public speaker, but it’s preposterous to think that he’s dumb. all of his years in green bay and his very high reputation, and the interviews with mark davis. he has a track record.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:29 am
ray_d Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:22 am
I’m sure if you compare belichick first season with DA’s you won’t find many simularties at all. We are not even close in most of these games we are not getting better, we are regressing on every level.
— Yeah I’m pretty sure, their GM drafted D guys just based on their 40 times and put them out of places, and he managed to have them allow less than 20 points to lose games like 20-17 instead of 45-17 right ???
December 5th, 2012 at 1:30 am
On defensive players lacking a sense of urgency: “I would disagree on the defensive side.
these guys are starting to act like they’re worried about themselves more than the staff. i wonder what’s known right now among them.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:33 am
Come on patriots got Tom Brady, where would they be with out him. He is great player.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:34 am
So Belichic managed to lose tight games, but Pete Carrol won those tight games, so does that mean P Carroll >> Belichic? LMFAO at these comparisons , at how they were competetive blah blah blah , and this and that , and how we lost big time, have you guys considered why we losing big time? It’s because our D talent has been regressing 10 years and going, Rob Ryan is not doing bad at other places, 09 coordinator was pretty good when he was in seattle , CHuck B had his Ds ranked pretty high 00-02,was DA supposed to hire some O genius that would score more than even NE with these wide receivers to keep the games close? LMAO
December 5th, 2012 at 1:35 am
Ray_d Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:33 am
Come on patriots got Tom Brady, where would they be with out him. He is great player.
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this is true. for being a defensive coach, belichik’s patriots have had some pretty poor defenses.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:36 am
i will ask it again—how many good players does this team have?
palmer
veldheer
myers
reece
wheeler
December 5th, 2012 at 1:36 am
ray_d Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:33 am
Come on patriots got Tom Brady, where would they be with out him. He is great player.
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C’mon man, are you really going to go there? You wanna talk about HOF coaches and say they lucked out on draft picks or they magically dropped in those coaches laps lmao
December 5th, 2012 at 1:37 am
Yeah pretty sure Tom Brady just volunteered to play with them ? Belichic didn’t draft him LMAO
December 5th, 2012 at 1:40 am
Just saying belichick success is closely tied to Tom Brady. Not saying he is not a good coach but Tom Brady has much to do with the patriots success.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:45 am
Let’s not give this coaches and GM to bring in their own HOF’s lol , let’s just fire a Rookie coach in a year where we carried over the same D that couldn’t force 1 punt in most important game of the year, yet these guys want instant results on D side, NVM that adding good players is one thing , but we had to scramble and cut players just to comply with the salary cap, NVM our first draft pick was in 3rd round, c’mon give me an example of last coach who done sh1t under same circumstances , i know you guys are scrambling like mad man to point out something like it’s the same players blah blah blah LMAO
December 5th, 2012 at 1:47 am
i will begrudgingly say we have to let DA come back unless we can get gruden.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:49 am
If a better coach is available, I say go for it. Gruden, cower, Del Rio, Marty are all coaches I would take over DA. But to bring in another no name coach forget And roll with DA, but for sure fire Knapp
December 5th, 2012 at 1:52 am
ray_d Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:40 am
Just saying belichick success is closely tied to Tom Brady. Not saying he is not a good coach but Tom Brady has much to do with the patriots success.
— 0fcourse players have big hands behind wins, where would Phil be without Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe, but you can’t deny that Phil didn’t bring the best out of them, like i said it works both ways, and where would they all be without Phil? That’s the thing, you can’t just win with below average talent, not when you were the only team looking at those 1 years deals, while other 31 teams are signing big time players
December 5th, 2012 at 1:55 am
Ofcourse Hue’s system and his little trickery worked better than Knapp, and i believe we could have kept Hue and maybe we might have won some games like the BRowns, TB, but we’re still far away from beating good teams, DA can bring in a new coordinator next year to help the O, but our situation will only be solved if we bring in talented players on D side
December 5th, 2012 at 2:01 am
Hue could build around Mcfadden, who could DA build around? McClain? convert to 3-4 for him while other players have came from 4-3s? other than seymour who also came from 3-4 , shows you how f8cked up we been on D side.. Who freaking use a #8 overall pick on a highly touted 3-4 D ILB and put him out of position in 4-3, trade 1st round for Seymour and put him at DT? lol not to forget also drafted Houston in same year as Mclain, he was a DT at Texas but used him at DE? gawddd, so many horrible choices, you can’t tell a guy hey i think you would become more faster if you put on more weight, that’s the same thing you we got over here , you can’t get the best out of the guys when they already are at a disadvantage position wise, not to forget turning Huff from FS to CB, lol now we got GIO? who’s freaking concussed every single game, and Mitchell? LMAO
December 5th, 2012 at 2:03 am
All I can say is look how good weve been since Gruden left. We went to the super bowl the year after he left and the season after that we fell apart tough. Does anyone remember what Callahans record was? He took Grudens super bowl built team and ran it into the ground in 2 years. Gruden knows what it takes to win. Mackenzie would go out of his way to see that Gruden got whatever he wanted and would be back in the super bowl in 2 years. But then again Allens only been at it 1 year and it wouldnt be fair to give him only 1. I wonder how this year would have been if we kept saunders as offensive cordinator and never hired knapp?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:07 am
GRIM Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:03 am
All I can say is look how good weve been since Gruden left. We went to the super bowl the year after he left and the season after that we fell apart tough. Does anyone remember what Callahans record was? He took Grudens super bowl built team and ran it into the ground in 2 years. Gruden knows what it takes to win. Mackenzie would go out of his way to see that Gruden got whatever he wanted and would be back in the super bowl in 2 years. But then again Allens only been at it 1 year and it wouldnt be fair to give him only 1. I wonder how this year would have been if we kept saunders as offensive cordinator and never hired knapp?
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Maybe we might have had couple more wins,against okay teams , but results would have been same ole against good passing O’s or good D’s
December 5th, 2012 at 2:11 am
Who knows maybe we keep DA for 1 more year and Gruden does MNF for 1 more year and after that we’ll see where were at.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:13 am
1 thing has been common among the past superbowl winners, They had probowl QB’s (I believe Palmer can be a probowler under good conditions, like give him a # 1WR , a solid #2 and make his pass/run ratio 60-40 and great pass rush, save for Colts-Bears Saints- Colts, all those SB winners ranked in top 5 in sacks in that year, many times both superbowl participants finished #1 and #2 in sacks Pitts – Greenbay couple of years back , We need Damontre Moore #1 pick and sign another in offseason , or take a flyer on B Jenkinds DE in 3-4 round and hope his foot is fully healed
December 5th, 2012 at 2:15 am
you dumb Americans don’t deserve a good Football team because you are basically idiots!
You guys are making me sick with your stupid drivel!
No wonder you have been losers since 1984…YOU DESERVE TO BE!!!
Wake up!
December 5th, 2012 at 2:16 am
DA needs to be here,and build the D, much easier to get to the superbowl that way, even D Lebeu, Monte Kiffin, Jim Johnson, Wade Phillips would have had problems with this D this year, look for a lot of draft picks on D side next year..
December 5th, 2012 at 2:16 am
we need obi-wan kenobi. he’s our only hope.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:17 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:15 am
you dumb Americans don’t deserve a good Football team because you are basically idiots!
You guys are making me sick with your stupid drivel!
No wonder you have been losers since 1984…YOU DESERVE TO BE!!!
Wake up!
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December 5th, 2012 at 2:18 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:17 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:15 am
you dumb Americans don’t deserve a good Football team because you are basically idiots!
You guys are making me sick with your stupid drivel!
No wonder you have been losers since 1984…YOU DESERVE TO BE!!!
Wake up!
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WIth constant coaching changes? hoping next one will just be good guy instead of finding out what the current one could do?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:19 am
But then again, DA took a team that was 1 win from the playoffs and is now sitting at 3-9. So do you take the proven winner in Gruden or do you stick with what you have and hope it was just first year restraints?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:20 am
you don’t know the difference betweeen a scat and a go!
yet you sit here and hypothesize about what should be done on a professional team!
and then call everyone else stupid if they disagree!…you guys are the epitome of rednecks!…and you are very annoying.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:21 am
how about these things to think about:
jake long (howie’s boy) is a FA after this season.
braylon edwards was just cut.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:22 am
draft OLine…draft Dline…AFTER scouting them. Take some shots after that, but build a team properly first before gambling on the rest.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:23 am
Stewart was one the verge of a break out game and Knapp got too excited,the guy is not a good play-caller,Stewart would of put in a rod martin type numbers sunday yet instead we abandon the run and pass our way to another loss ,bring John home Reg
December 5th, 2012 at 2:25 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:22 am
draft OLine…draft Dline…AFTER scouting them. Take some shots after that, but build a team properly first before gambling on the rest.
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shut up dick. ur kind isn’t wanted here.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:25 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:20 am
you don’t know the difference betweeen a scat and a go!
yet you sit here and hypothesize about what should be done on a professional team!
and then call everyone else stupid if they disagree!…you guys are the epitome of rednecks!…and you are very annoying.
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so go away dick head.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:28 am
was just kidding about jake long being howie’s boy. no one apparently got it.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:34 am
Wanna guess how many Multiple super-bowl winning coaches had better than .500 record in their first years?
only 4 coaches outta 13, only 1 had over 10 wins
The guy with the most Superbowl trophy chuck noll with 4
was 1-13 his first year
CHuck Noll 4 SB’s 1-13
B Walsh 3 2-14
Joe Gibbs 3 8-8
B Belich 3 6-10
Yup Just cuz they went horrible,in first year, obviously they couldn’t turn around , look at how horrible their careers went LMAO
December 5th, 2012 at 2:35 am
Here come the boos, the chants for chucky, the schitt being thrown on the field… can’t wait for Thursday. Mark wont have a choice but to fire DA at the end of the season after this game. Pure embarassment on national TV has a tendency to do that.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:36 am
that’s why DA will likely be back. unless the gruden report is true.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:38 am
Ok “DR”…flame on about your opinion on how the Raiders should act…they aren’t reading this blog to figure out how to run the team!
Even “PRIEST” with all his experience isn’t going to influence whether TP6 gets playing time.
TSK TSK TSK…and Reese stopped getting carries because he was injured, not because running wasn’t good.
You idiots have never played for, or run a team, so shut-up!
December 5th, 2012 at 2:38 am
2-14 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:35 am
Here come the boos, the chants for chucky, the schitt being thrown on the field… can’t wait for Thursday. Mark wont have a choice but to fire DA at the end of the season after this game. Pure embarassment on national TV has a tendency to do that.
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oh man. i hadn’t even thought of that. seeing as how it’s pretty likely that the raiders will get beat up, and this news being on everyone’s tongue, gruden signs and whatnot will be in full effect. oh boy.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:39 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:38 am
Ok “DR”…flame on about your opinion on how the Raiders should act…they aren’t reading this blog to figure out how to run the team!
Even “PRIEST” with all his experience isn’t going to influence whether TP6 gets playing time.
TSK TSK TSK…and Reese stopped getting carries because he was injured, not because running wasn’t good.
You idiots have never played for, or run a team, so shut-up!
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so what the f#ck are u here for idiot?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:41 am
Have a good night fellas, try not to make comparisons, or talk about regression blah blah, need to give DA another year
December 5th, 2012 at 2:41 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:38 am
Ok “DR”…flame on about your opinion on how the Raiders should act…they aren’t reading this blog to figure out how to run the team!
Even “PRIEST” with all his experience isn’t going to influence whether TP6 gets playing time.
TSK TSK TSK…and Reese stopped getting carries because he was injured, not because running wasn’t good.
You idiots have never played for, or run a team, so shut-up!
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got news for u dick. this board is used to see what fan opinion is by corkran and jerry. they then use that info when asking questions. it does have an effect.
besides, we’re fans. we like to discuss the team.
why don’t u f#ck off?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:42 am
i’m out too.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:43 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:38 am
2-14 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:35 am
Here come the boos, the chants for chucky, the schitt being thrown on the field… can’t wait for Thursday. Mark wont have a choice but to fire DA at the end of the season after this game. Pure embarassment on national TV has a tendency to do that.
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oh man. i hadn’t even thought of that. seeing as how it’s pretty likely that the raiders will get beat up, and this news being on everyone’s tongue, gruden signs and whatnot will be in full effect. oh boy.
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Why not? You think DA deserves another year?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:46 am
DA does have excellent sharpie handling skills. A necessity for an NFL head coach. My point was I can’t wait for the coaching staff to get completely blasted so we can blow this fukr up again.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:47 am
to tell you “DR” that this blog used to be good until guys of your ilk came in here to try and tell everybody how smart you are, and how lucky we are to have you tell us so.
You are a WANNABE…that NEVER-WAS, you are a reverse-rascist that prides himself on thinking that it’s cool to be right, but is completely WRONG with the way you harp on it, and bring your bias into every conversation. BACK OFF you redneck low-mind pseudo-intellectual.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:47 am
Btw my original post never advocated hiring Gruden, just a prediction for what the masses will be chanting. Consider actually reading it and comprehending before responding.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:51 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:21 am
how about these things to think about:
jake long (howie’s boy) is a FA after this season.
braylon edwards was just cut.
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pure stupidity
December 5th, 2012 at 2:54 am
2-14 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:47 am
Btw my original post never advocated hiring Gruden, just a prediction for what the masses will be chanting. Consider actually reading it and comprehending before responding.
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i didn’t say anything but basically repeating what u said. why so defensive?
just said i hadn’t thought of it. and that it will be crazy.
but then ur next post ABSOLUTELY DOES condone hiring gruden and i’ve seen ur posts for days saying it. so why get mad cuz i happen to know ur position?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:54 am
the only influence you have on this blog is to make “Steve and Jerry” write a blurb on how this blog should stop talking the way it has been because it is out of hand in it’s BS, mainly between you and a bunch of trolls fighting you and YOUR bs.
Talk football…if you can, quit BSing the rest of us.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:55 am
2-14 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:51 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:21 am
how about these things to think about:
jake long (howie’s boy) is a FA after this season.
braylon edwards was just cut.
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pure stupidity
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LOL! it’s stupid to toss out two free agents that might be of interest? yeah. i’m the idiot. do u even have anything intelligent to say?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:58 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:47 am
to tell you “DR” that this blog used to be good until guys of your ilk came in here to try and tell everybody how smart you are, and how lucky we are to have you tell us so.
You are a WANNABE…that NEVER-WAS, you are a reverse-rascist that prides himself on thinking that it’s cool to be right, but is completely WRONG with the way you harp on it, and bring your bias into every conversation. BACK OFF you redneck low-mind pseudo-intellectual.
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LOL! new handle? u obviously have been paying very close attention to my every word. and u come in here with a new handle to drop ignorance.
hilarious.
if i say it, u should write it down and memorize it, cuz it’s the truth, ruth.
i’m a reverse-racist? what in God’s name could u be even talking about?
my bias? what would that be?
redneck? now who’s racist?
why such a coward hiding behind a new handle? puzzy.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:00 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:54 am
the only influence you have on this blog is to make “Steve and Jerry” write a blurb on how this blog should stop talking the way it has been because it is out of hand in it’s BS, mainly between you and a bunch of trolls fighting you and YOUR bs.
Talk football…if you can, quit BSing the rest of us.
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LOL! most of the things i’ve championed (mcclain sucks, palmer is their best player, wiz lacks power) have been at first opposed, then slowly accepted by all here, and written about by cork and jerry. i run this thing.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:01 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:58 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
pseudo-intellectual.
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aww. jealous much?
December 5th, 2012 at 3:02 am
only handle I have ever used…and real readers of this blog know that.
You are a loser who uses the “new user” must be “troller” argument, when in actual truth…my handle has never been banned…HAS YOUR’S?
December 5th, 2012 at 3:02 am
i’ve never even noticed u before.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:04 am
and there’s no apostrophe in yours. u seem to be either missdick or jokefoshow. i’ve never seen any post from u so u must have been admiring me silently. are u in love or something?
December 5th, 2012 at 3:07 am
u haven’t been here all day, not on any of the last 5 posts, and sudden;y show up at 2:30am and attack me, apparently knowing a lot about me. never seen ur handle before.
ur a liar. a crossposter.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:07 am
the worst thing that could happen is another HC firing..
‘Hostess’ have had 7 CEOs in tha last 10 years, rings a bell.
Stability is the way to get progress, nothing flourish in chaos..
December 5th, 2012 at 3:07 am
what a coward.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:08 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:55 am
2-14 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:51 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:21 am
how about these things to think about:
jake long (howie’s boy) is a FA after this season.
braylon edwards was just cut.
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pure stupidity
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LOL! it’s stupid to toss out two free agents that might be of interest? yeah. i’m the idiot. do u even have anything intelligent to say?
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PRIME EXAMPLE
Do you actually read or hear how you talk?
You’re not superior to everybody…so quit talking like you are! It’s ANNOYING!
December 5th, 2012 at 3:09 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:08 am
Do you actually read or hear how you talk?
You’re not superior to everybody…so quit talking like you are! It’s ANNOYING!
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i’m superior to u.
i go off on idiots. not real fans that don’t have it coming.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:10 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:02 am
i’ve never even noticed u before.
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MEANS NOTHING
December 5th, 2012 at 3:10 am
do u think i care if i annoy a cross posting coward like u?
December 5th, 2012 at 3:11 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:10 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:02 am
i’ve never even noticed u before.
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MEANS NOTHING
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means everything.
ur a cross poster. i’ve never had a convo with u. i’ve never noticed anything u have said (means it couldn’t be important) and have never heard ur handle discussed by anyone.
ur a lying coward.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:12 am
did i hurt ur feelings or something?
December 5th, 2012 at 3:13 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:04 am
and there’s no apostrophe in yours. u seem to be either missdick or jokefoshow. i’ve never seen any post from u so u must have been admiring me silently. are u in love or something?
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apostrophe? What does that have to do with reality?
Now you fly off on the troller crap again…you have no mental capacity for anything.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:14 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:15 am
you dumb Americans don’t deserve a good Football team because you are basically idiots!
You guys are making me sick with your stupid drivel!
No wonder you have been losers since 1984…YOU DESERVE TO BE!!!
Wake up!
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ur first post of the day (or ever as far as i know, under this handle).
call us dumb. call us idiots. we make u sick. we’re stupid. call us losers since ‘84 (a lie).
now who’s the one talking down to people who haven’t aid sh!t to u?
lying coward.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:15 am
do you notice that all the posts are yours now…and that nobody is “conversing” with you?
You are just SPEWING your BS at everyone…and defending your right to do so.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:15 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:13 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:04 am
and there’s no apostrophe in yours. u seem to be either missdick or jokefoshow. i’ve never seen any post from u so u must have been admiring me silently. are u in love or something?
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apostrophe? What does that have to do with reality?
Now you fly off on the troller crap again…you have no mental capacity for anything.
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and yet u say i act superior. LOL!
December 5th, 2012 at 3:17 am
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December 5th, 2012 at 3:17 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:15 am
do you notice that all the posts are yours now…and that nobody is “conversing” with you?
You are just SPEWING your BS at everyone…and defending your right to do so.
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seems like ur responding (stupidly). yeah. it’s my right (and ur privilege) to post knowledge on here. u should consider urself lucky to read my musings. u don’t even have to pay me (although u can give to charity in my name if u want).
December 5th, 2012 at 3:18 am
the REAL posters that used to inhabite this board no longer come around anymore because of imposters like you “JOHNNY COME LATELY”…you have ruined this board for the people who originally made this a good board to come to!
CONGRATS…jackass
December 5th, 2012 at 3:18 am
cmon. tell me who u are. if ur not afraid.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:19 am
most posters here consider me to be a quite knowledgable (and perhaps more importantly, hilarious) addition to the blog.
obviously, i’ve affected u considerably.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:20 am
dr_robert:
People like you have ruined this site and have no business being here.
Go ahead and flame me,I’m out anyway.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:20 am
i must have hurt u deeply. sorry.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:21 am
Joetoronto Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:20 am
dr_robert:
People like you have ruined this site and have no business being here.
Go ahead and flame me,I’m out anyway.
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LOL! hit and run by another “never before seen” poster. too funny.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:21 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:17 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:15 am
do you notice that all the posts are yours now…and that nobody is “conversing” with you?
You are just SPEWING your BS at everyone…and defending your right to do so.
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yeah. it’s my right (and ur privilege) to post knowledge on here. u should consider urself lucky to read my musings. u don’t even have to pay me (although u can give to charity in my name if u want).
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don’t think I need to add to that…pretty much describes you…and what I have been saying about you.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:22 am
Joetoronto
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prey tell. what exactly have i done to “ruin” the site? made it too intelligent? blistered too many troll azzes?
i have no bizness here? a raider fan talking straight dope?
and yet u do? an anonymous troll?
December 5th, 2012 at 3:24 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:21 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:17 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:15 am
do you notice that all the posts are yours now…and that nobody is “conversing” with you?
You are just SPEWING your BS at everyone…and defending your right to do so.
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yeah. it’s my right (and ur privilege) to post knowledge on here. u should consider urself lucky to read my musings. u don’t even have to pay me (although u can give to charity in my name if u want).
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don’t think I need to add to that…pretty much describes you…and what I have been saying about you.
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LOL! humor is apparently not ur strong suit.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:25 am
i would really love to know which of my blog enemies u are. sorry if i ruined things for u.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:26 am
but if i attacked u. it’s b/c u must’ve had it coming. like i said, ur first post was an attack outta nowhere on raiders fans. sounds like ur a hypocrite as well as a liar and coward.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:27 am
sullivan/alex7
missdick/priest
fangs/aryanation
beech
jokefoshow
hmmm. which could u be?
December 5th, 2012 at 3:27 am
blog-enemies….LOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL
Yeah…that’s it. Now you’re gonna tell us how you’re a “BLOG PERSONALITY”
December 5th, 2012 at 3:28 am
me? no, that’s beech. i’m simply me. the one and only. ur idol.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:30 am
why the fake handle? can’t come at me with an original?
December 5th, 2012 at 3:32 am
how many times have you been banned?….Me, NONE
December 5th, 2012 at 3:33 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:54 am
2-14 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:47 am
Btw my original post never advocated hiring Gruden, just a prediction for what the masses will be chanting. Consider actually reading it and comprehending before responding.
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i didn’t say anything but basically repeating what u said. why so defensive?
just said i hadn’t thought of it. and that it will be crazy.
but then ur next post ABSOLUTELY DOES condone hiring gruden and i’ve seen ur posts for days saying it. so why get mad cuz i happen to know ur position?
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It’s your tone bro. the “oh boy” and “oh man” quips make you sound like a real douch when someone else comments. and this is my handle, been on the site for only a few weeks.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:33 am
u obviously know. once. for making fun of the racists by posting ridiculously over the top racist stuff. i thought the people here would be able to pick up the facetiousness of it. but apparently they’re not as smart as u and me. well, as me.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:34 am
I’e nevr posed we should hrie gruden. I’ve been pretty keen on firing DA though
December 5th, 2012 at 3:36 am
sorry bout the mispellings a little drunk, but you get the idea. i just post what’s on my mind. dont like it, then debate me like a man not a punk. with all do respect, sir…
December 5th, 2012 at 3:36 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:38 am
oh man. i hadn’t even thought of that. seeing as how it’s pretty likely that the raiders will get beat up, and this news being on everyone’s tongue, gruden signs and whatnot will be in full effect. oh boy.
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i didn’t post it with sarcasm. i was agreeing with u. sorry u read it that way. i know ur anti-DA. i’m not for him actually. when u posted, it just hit me that this will be a huge point of interest for me thursday.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:38 am
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:36 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:38 am
oh man. i hadn’t even thought of that. seeing as how it’s pretty likely that the raiders will get beat up, and this news being on everyone’s tongue, gruden signs and whatnot will be in full effect. oh boy.
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i didn’t post it with sarcasm. i was agreeing with u. sorry u read it that way. i know ur anti-DA. i’m not for him actually. when u posted, it just hit me that this will be a huge point of interest for me thursday.
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we all good then bra!
December 5th, 2012 at 3:39 am
i’ve posted several times that i’ve not seen anything DA has done that has engendered confidence in me. but i still think he’ll be back. not cuz i want him to. just cuz it’s probably the truth.
i loved gruden and i would love to see him back here. didn’t think there was any way. i thought all the posters talking about it were fantasizing. but the repot tonight by real outlets has me wondering.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:39 am
off to bed then. last day off b4 graveyard shift starts again, staying up late so i can make it through the first day.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:41 am
“Last week, there was a report that Monday Night Football analyst and former NFL coach Jon Gruden was offered the University of Tennessee job along with a Browns’ ownership stake. Gruden and the Browns promptly denied the report, and Gruden went on to say “I’m just excited about Monday Night Football. I like what I’m doing. I’m just trying to hang on to the job that I have.”
But that hasn’t stopped the rumors from flying. The most recent one comes courtesy of ProFootballWeekly’s Hub Arkush, who told WSCR radio (via PFT) that Gruden and the Raiders are in talks to bring him back to Oakland.
So there you go.
Gruden coached the Raiders from 1998-2001 before leaving for Tampa Bay in 2002, where he won the Super Bowl.
Frankly, his return to Oakland seems like a long shot, partly because Gruden says he’s happy about the MNF gig (that’s a joke; we wouldn’t be shocked if he quit tomorrow to become a shepherd — that’s how unpredictable he is) but mostly because the timing seems a little too convenient.
Owner Mark Davis told first-year coach Dennis Allen just last week that the Raiders’ 3-8 start wasn’t “good enough.” (Then again, maybe Davis, unable to reconcile losing to the Browns at home — and being eliminated from the playoffs in the process — has decided to take a page from the Al Davis playbook and mix things up.)
“He just wanted [Allen] to know, from the owner, that we have to get better,” general manager Reggie McKenzie said at the time.
Davis added: “I wouldn’t say it was heated; the most heated I got was when we first got on the plane (after the loss to Cincinnati in Week 12) and I told him it’s not good enough. And that’s what I said. I told him not long after we boarded: ‘It’s not good enough.’ I admit I was pissed off.”
“He’s frustrated,” Allen admitted. “He wants to win; we all do. He’s frustrated, and he expresses his frustration. So he and I had a long sit-down on the plane and talked about it.”
Make of this what you will.”
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CBS sports is running this.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:42 am
Bill Williamson had an article posted a few hours ago. he didn’t sound convinced, but I don’t really turn to ESPN for real journalism anyway
December 5th, 2012 at 3:46 am
all reports on all outlets are stemming from this dude at pro football weekly. why he would say it so plainly “raiders and gruden in talks to bring him back” or something along those lines, is interesting. must’ve gotten from somewhere.
he didn’t say “they’re interested” or some other vague thing.
he said they’re in talks to bring him back. pretty direct.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:48 am
Would be a game changer to have him back, but I’ll believe it when I see it. Any HC with experience and success in the NFL would be a welcome change at this point frankly.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:49 am
If Gruden was hired, Greg Knapp would probably fire himself out of pure embarassment. So there’s that.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:51 am
i’ll tell u this.
if DA is brought back, barring a remarkable turnaround in these final games, ticket sales will be down. raiders fans in general are not happy and will likely get more unhappy over a long offseason.
but if gruden were hired, ticket sales would go thru the roof.
if ur mark davis, u want to make money off this team. gruden is like a rock star here.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:52 am
jon would likely bring his brother in from cincy for OC.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:52 am
couldn’t see a single coach being retained.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:54 am
goin to bed. later.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:57 am
me too later dude
December 5th, 2012 at 4:18 am
the good thing about Gruden is, he’s not even 50 years old yet!!
he might have another 20 years of coaching in him. who knows?
he hasn’t coached for 4 complete seasons now though, except for a little volunteer work here & there. Those Bucs players hated his guts and he lost the locker room. Thats why the Bucs owner fired him – not because he finished the season 9-7 and missed the playoffs
December 5th, 2012 at 4:27 am
Dennis Allen is gonna finish with 4 or 5 wins. Bad for any coach … but due to the mess he inherited, the lack of quality OC/DC/ST coordinator candidates available by the time he was named HC and dealing with his ailing (now deceased) father I think he deserves another shot
Gruden went 5-11 in 2004. He went 4-12 in 2006
there is no way any of us could claim that he’s reached his potential or ceiling. I think he’s the right man for the job. give him time. a head coach is only as good as the players & asst coaches he has to work with
DA needs to replace some coaches. Reggie needs to replace some players. It will happen
knee jerk reactions lead to bad decisions. Remember Norv Turner being fired after going 5-11 with Kerry Collins, Randy Moss and crew? Al Davis later regretted firing him after just 2 seasons and that was a veteran coach! Lane Kiffin? same thing, although AD would never admit it
Reggie gets 5 years. Dennis gets at least 2 or 3
December 5th, 2012 at 4:44 am
I’d have to know Gruden signed his name on a contract before I believe he’s coming back to Oakland…I don’t see McKenzie or Davis firing Allen after just 1 season Concidering what the state of this team was and is when he was hired … Yes, I know they were 8/8 but do we really think the team was that good?… They were the weakest 8/ 8 they could possibly be….
Unless Allen wants to leave I think he stays for another Yr….. Knapp, Tarver and Hoffman should get they’re walking papers IMO…
December 5th, 2012 at 4:45 am
R/R… I agree
December 5th, 2012 at 4:48 am
This team won’t see any light at the end of the tunnel for a couple yrs….. We’re a mess… It would surprise the hell outta me of they turned it around by next season…this team needs major surgery …and a personality change ..
December 5th, 2012 at 4:51 am
Here’s Mark Davis’ $64 question…
Does he try to fix the mess he put this org in, in the shortest amount of time, by overhauling the entire coaching staff and maybe even GM? Or does he try to fix the mess he put this org in, over a longer span of time, by persisting with the current regime he only just brought in?
There’s the stadium issue that’s also very pressing on him.
Mark knows he erred letting Hue go, or as he said, not fighting for him. It set in motion the hiring of a GM and HC and coaching staff that have set this club back several years, that has lost the players and fans.
He gauges, realizes now, that seeing thru with this decision may well mean 5 steps back to make 2 steps forward. But the further damage done to the brand, the stadium situation, empty stadiums, players bailing on the coach, etc.
Or is he kinda genius, thinking to correct not only the recent mistake he made, but the last decade of mistakes, by hiring Gruden, the very catalyst that started that decade long slide as some kind of karmic full circle voodoo breaking thing, which might mean taking 3 steps back to take 4 steps forward.
The risk tho is the fallout this may mean in trashing everything he just brought in a mere 10 months ago, and the ridicule this might garner in league circles, the media, considering how liked/respected Allen is, plus Al firing a coach on Christmas Eve would pale in comparison to Mark firing a coach about the same time his father passed away (Grady).
Gruden = high risk-reward choice.
Allen = longer time spent at rock-bottom before a climb is made.
Another thing to consider is Gruden just playing the Vols and Raiders and whomever else, to get ESPN to up an offer to stay, or to goad another NFL team he’s more interested in joining (like Browns/Eagles) to up their offer.
It’s also worth mentioning that it’s kinda an excited madness right now — Raider Nation getting a bit delusional suggesting we might see a return of Bruce Allen, Callahan, Trestman, etc.
A number of us, including me, first put the seed in everyone’s minds that with the lighting of Al’s eternal fire, and then Mark speaking out post-Saints, etc, that Mark could be trying to court Gruden. And it’s actually amounted to a nationally reported rumor from ‘inside sources’. So, it’s possible that anything could happen (B.Allen, Callahan, Trestman, etc)…but it also seems quite fantastical.
Remember too…inside sources of Gruden calling around trying to compile a coaching staff for a possible NFL return started getting out there long before he lit the flame, long before this current PFW rumor started. Meaning, it’s quite possible that Gruden truly is ready to ditch ESPN.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:55 am
qodrn1…
Broncos 45
Raiders 20
December 5th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Nice post RR and GG
It does look like team gruden is pumping bspn for more money
Chuckie is real real big for them. They finally have a very good Monday night football team. Chuck seems to be enjoying the spotlight and getting into his persona which will get him more endorsements, more noterity.
It may become more of a challenge for him then anything else. The challenge to bring a team from the bottom back to SB and what better team then Oakland.
My guess is Gruden will stay where he is or try for a BCS in Tennesee or Arkansas.
After sleeping on it I agree with RR. Keep DA for the next two years. We need stability.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:51 am
I can’t really fault the firing of Hue…. He just isn’t ( wasn’t ) headcoach material….. Good offensive coach…. But by no means headcoach material… Of course IM0…
December 5th, 2012 at 5:51 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
At least I have the option to either re-watch this game or delete it when I get home Thursday night!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 5:54 am
IMHO Gruden would be lucky to get us playing better then 500 ball in his third year.
DA has one under his belt. We better see next years team at least flirt with 500 and/or be competitive with every team we play.
We cannot be a joke next year.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Good morning…
December 5th, 2012 at 5:58 am
I have nightmares just thinking about what Manning might ( will) do to our defense….
December 5th, 2012 at 6:01 am
What do ya do against Manning?… Just send everybody you can and hope for the best…. Must be a game plan nightmare….he can be beat … But not by what we’ve seen from our D
December 5th, 2012 at 6:11 am
POST-483,AGREED.SOME R BORN 2 B CORDINATORS.NORV,DAVE WANSTADT TYPES.GREAT CORDS BUT STRUGGLE AS H.C.’S.I THINK HUE FALLS IN THERE.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:11 am
The funny thing is…is that if you took Knapp and put him on Madden13 and took away the obvious learning curve for the controls/controller/this button does that etc…and just went with play calling–JUST Playcalling–80% of the people on here would NEVER lose to him…
The guy has zero imagination…nothing up his sleeve..nothing setting up one play for a play 2 quarters from now…Zilch..nada.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:12 am
fingers Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 6:01 am
What do ya do against Manning?… Just send everybody you can and hope for the best…. Must be a game plan nightmare….he can be beat … But not by what we’ve seen from our D
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If we had our 2001 Defense back…this would still be a VERY tough game..
December 5th, 2012 at 6:13 am
Gruden?
Even if there is 3.2% chance of this happening I will hold out hope…
We have been in the bowels of despair ever since he left after the Tuck rule debacle. (And yes, 2002 was, as we all know now, a bloated mirage).
Plus, at this point its Krystal Klear Allen and his Kadre of KlownKoaches are NOT the answer!
3-13!
Just get demolished, baby!
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http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/raiders-talk/Report-Raiders-in-talks-with-Gruden?blockID=809969&feedID=2801
December 5th, 2012 at 6:14 am
fingers Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 5:51 am
I can’t really fault the firing of Hue…. He just isn’t ( wasn’t ) headcoach material….. Good offensive coach…. But by no means headcoach material… Of course IM0…
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I can…
If our latest bust of a 1st round linebacker can make a tackle on the wildly shifty Matt Stafford instead of getting juked out of his jockstrap..We make the playoffs..Hue would NOT have been fired..and we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Hue gambled, went all in, and his PLAYERS f’ed him…Can’t fault the guy for that. I would love to still have him here.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:15 am
What do ya do against Manning?… Just send everybody you can and hope for the best….
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I completely disagree, respectfully.
You watch what the Pats did those years when they frequently beat the Colts, they didn’t even consider actually rushing the passer.
Just put your tallest 4 guys up front, make them keep their hands up in the passing windows, stop the run and tackle in the secondary.
That’s all you can do. Peyton doesn’t beat you over the top that much, and they can have 5 guys blocking and you send 7 people, and you still won’t touch him, he gets the ball out too quick.
Rush 4, stay in the passing lanes, hope for some tipped balls, and punish the WR’s so you get maybe a few drops or tipped balls in the air as well.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:16 am
BTW—F()k Gruden…
Let Allen have his chance to call Knapp and Tarver into his office and let them know that they both suck and to pack their boxes and go back to whatever sissified job they had last year….assistant to the assistant OLine coach etc…
December 5th, 2012 at 6:17 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 6:15 am
What do ya do against Manning?… Just send everybody you can and hope for the best….
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I completely disagree, respectfully.
You watch what the Pats did those years when they frequently beat the Colts, they didn’t even consider actually rushing the passer.
Just put your tallest 4 guys up front, make them keep their hands up in the passing windows, stop the run and tackle in the secondary.
That’s all you can do. Peyton doesn’t beat you over the top that much, and they can have 5 guys blocking and you send 7 people, and you still won’t touch him, he gets the ball out too quick.
Rush 4, stay in the passing lanes, hope for some tipped balls, and punish the WR’s so you get maybe a few drops or tipped balls in the air as well.
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Concur…Its that and perhaps slow him down…but then we make Knowshon Marino look like the second coming of Barry Sanders…
December 5th, 2012 at 6:18 am
In that Detroit game, in the 2nd half, the defense actually scored more points than our offense.
Our offense had 5 drives, 2 FG’s, 3 three and outs.
If our offense could have scored a first down, down the stretch, it would have never came to stopping Matt Stafford and Calvin Johnson.
What’s easier? What do you see happening more each week?
The Lions giving up yards and points to anybody, or people stopping Megatron and Stafford?
Hue f’d us that game, having the hack that is Jim Schwartz outcoach him at home with the playoffs on the line.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:18 am
Hue knew he needed RB help and Defense help as well as QB help.
I bet a pass rusher or run stopper and a good back up RB would have been wiser then a QB and WR who were sitting at home halfway through the season
CP did not get us to the playoffs
Bush was tired and unable to run at the end of the year, the defense got worse every week along with the running game despite improved QB play
Wise GM’s/coaches do not make serious blunders like that
December 5th, 2012 at 6:22 am
Didn’t Als man to man play Peytonstein as well as anything else over the past decade?
December 5th, 2012 at 6:23 am
allen had his chance…3-13. eff that…
December 5th, 2012 at 6:24 am
Im sorry you feel that way, al
actually no I am not. I am rooting for DA to become a great coach and I believe he has what it takes.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:24 am
Didn’t Als man to man play Peytonstein as well as anything else over the past decade?
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2010 they did well, just got gashed in the run game.
Previous to that, was many years ago, we did have the decent Sunday Night game, but our offense was scoring 40 points a pop and really helped our defense put added pressure on the other teams O.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:28 am
Probaly the greatest QB in history and he still plays near the top of his game and we have the misfortune of meeting him twice a year when we cant beat rookies like Weedens or Tannenhill
December 5th, 2012 at 6:28 am
Mikieg… It wasn’t just one stop…. There were multipal games…. San Diego … Bills….
And I didn’t say I knew the answer to getting to Manning
I said ” what do you do” send everybody…… ?… It was a question …I don’t have a clue … I was asking an opinion on how to stop him
Again … I’d love to have Hue as an OC.. But headcoach ?… Noway..
December 5th, 2012 at 6:28 am
why? allen may be a good person may even be a decent position coach but he does not have that “it” factor for a head coach…yet. he may sometime, but not im not willing to wait while the raiders lose…
December 5th, 2012 at 6:31 am
Last year the Raiders were about as weak an 8/8 team as they could possibly be… It was almost an accident they were as close to the playoffs as they were….
December 5th, 2012 at 6:32 am
SO..WILL HAVE THE EXTRA DAY’S B4 THE NEXT GAME VS KC..IF THERE R ANY “ADJUSTMENTS” IN THE WORKS..WILL THEY BE MADE IN THIS TIME PERIOD ?
December 5th, 2012 at 6:33 am
8-8..> 3-13
December 5th, 2012 at 6:34 am
I said ” what do you do” send everybody…… ?… It was a question …I don’t have a clue … I was asking an opinion on how to stop him
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I wasn’t being a jerk, that’s why I threw in the “respectfully” lol.
I think when facing these Brees, Brady, Manning types, you just have to basically forgot about the pass rush most plays. You can send more then they have blockers, and it don’t matter.
They will throw to the open man, he breaks that tackle, and they are off for 40 yards.
Keep everything in front of you, hope for a penalty or something else that screws up their rhythm, and most importantly, OUTSCORE THEM.
That’s our only hope on Thursday, we won’t beat them 20-17, we will have to score 30 points and pray it is enough.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:36 am
The Colts had a better D than the one were gonna have on the field Thursday …. Can’t really compare the two teams when it comes to stoping Manning…
December 5th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Reading the play-by-play of that Lions 2nd half.
3 of our drives stalled on 3rd down completions short of the sticks.
1st drive of the half, 3rd and 13, pass complete to Housmandzah for 10 yards.
Next drive,3rd and 13, pass complete to Mike Bush for 7 yards, punt.
12 minutes to go, 3rd and 5, pass completed to Housmandzah for 3 yards, Shane Lechler punt.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:39 am
Jfb…I didn’t take it that way…. I’m ok with with your opinion… Didn’t think you were being a jerk… Just thought you thought I knew what to do againt Manning… I’m clueless with what we have for a D… I’m asking … How do we attack him with what we have…?
December 5th, 2012 at 6:40 am
Those quick passes… Manning will eat our D alive ..
December 5th, 2012 at 6:43 am
MAYBE VON MILLER WILL DEFECT TO THE DARK SIDE..
December 5th, 2012 at 6:46 am
need to challenge the wrs…dont let them get off without redirecting them. that will buy the dline some time to get pressure…
December 5th, 2012 at 6:47 am
Thomas has been a monster matched up with Manning…
December 5th, 2012 at 6:48 am
The Donk WRs are play makers .. For sure
December 5th, 2012 at 6:54 am
Just looking forward to the tailgate tomorrow! At least I don’t have to wake up early this time…I say, 9ish…lol…Sunday games I awake at 5:30…
Anyways, would be nice to be surprised and they play their hearts out tomorrow, but I won’t believe it til I see it!
December 5th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Certainly there isn’t any silver bullet to stopping a HOF QB.
Yeah, if you have a Von Miller , Aldon Smith, elite speed edge rusher, then you hope he can do some things to disrupt. But us, like 90% of the league, don’t have one of those guys.
So the question becomes, do you blitz and try to artificially generate a pass rush, or do you back off, try to make them one-dimensional by stopping the run, and hope to make get some deflections, penalties, fumbles, etc, to limit them.
You aren’t stopping these guys and holding them to 10 points either way.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Yep… Nothing like the Raider tailgating …. We use to walk the parking lots before walking in…. You see all kinds …always enjoyed that..
December 5th, 2012 at 6:58 am
This season is like the Jamarcus years’, where I am just hoping to have a competitive game into the 3rd and 4th quarter, so the young guys can benefit from playing against teams playing their best.
When teams get a lead on us and go at about 85% the rest of the game, it completely stunts our growth as a team.
Things that work, wouldn’t normally, so that creates a false sense of hope (like throwing 14 times to Myers like last week). Defensively, we can think we are building momentum with some stops, but it is also a falsehood.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Are they gonna blitz ya, are they gonna bluff ya…
December 5th, 2012 at 7:00 am
Thanks JFB… These guys are just gonna have to at their best game ever…. Wish I was gonna be at this one….. Hope you guys get to see a good game …
December 5th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Believe me Fingers…if I am leaving at 3rd qtr (which I 95% stay til the end, regardless)…
Actually, take that back…gotta stay til at least middle of the 4th and I only done that once this year and that was the Saints game. Last week I had to work, so…
December 5th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Lol… Kinda like going to a gun fight with a pen knife ….just gotta hope they get lucky with the pen knife
December 5th, 2012 at 7:02 am
http://www.facebook.com/BringJohnGrudenBackToTheRaiders#
December 5th, 2012 at 7:03 am
They actually had a mention of the Gruden rumor on NFL AM this morning.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:04 am
I think when facing these Brees, Brady, Manning types, you just have to basically forgot about the pass rush most plays. You can send more then they have blockers, and it don’t matter.
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I agree to an extend, but I think the key is to keep him guessing and not get too comfortable. The problem with the Raiders that has been true through nearly every DC they have had for a decade, anytime they show a full out blitz, they full out blitz. The Pitts zone blitz is something they never have even heard of… where instead of blitzing you try to trap them into mistakes.
Pitts won a SB doing this (the zone blitz 100 yd TD by Harrison on Warner) and this is a copy cat league… but not with the Raiders. Everytime we show blitz we have to blitz… its written in stone.
Its why Manning, Brees, and usually Rivers always have career days against us.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:06 am
GDog,
PUt it this way, I would love to see Branch, Gio, Wheeler, MM34 and Huff at the poker table.
Dudes have all the “tells” in the world pre-snap.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:07 am
Weeden even had a career day against the Raiders…. This week Mannings in town…Yikes…
December 5th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Gonna need some picks… And Turnovers .
December 5th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Hey, but our penalties our down this yr.
Yippe skippee doo.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:09 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:03 am
They actually had a mention of the Gruden rumor on NFL AM this morning.
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Really? Cause, of course Jerry and Steve are doing everything to stomp that sh*t right in the dirt. They’re not even saying it “Probably wont happen”
They’re like “IT AIN’T HAPPENING – GET OVER IT”
Kinda stuff.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:06 am
GDog,
PUt it this way, I would love to see Branch, Gio, Wheeler, MM34 and Huff at the poker table.
Dudes have all the “tells” in the world pre-snap.
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Agreed. One would think the elite coaches we brought in would help with this… but alas.
I miss John Marshall.
He’s the only DC we have had in twenty years that had even halfway effective blitzing.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Raiders going nowhere fast.
Lakers blow goats.
FML indeed!
December 5th, 2012 at 7:13 am
fingers Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Gonna need some picks… And Turnovers .
Problem is…we did last week! As long as Carson doesn’t throw one in the secondary or one of our rbs doesn’t fumble as well!
December 5th, 2012 at 7:15 am
I hope our rookeies that did fairly well last week continue their progress!
December 5th, 2012 at 7:18 am
They’re like “IT AIN’T HAPPENING – GET OVER IT”
Kinda stuff.
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Cork and Jerry, I am told, have off the record access to McKenzie frequently.
I am sure they contacted The Reggie to see if he wanted to comment on these new reports, on or off the record.
Either they actually know that it ain’t happening, or they are working with McKenzie to keep it hush for the time being.
Either way, both of them know a helluva a lot more on the story than Arkush does. You can write that in stone.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:24 am
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/21265650/report-jon-gruden-raiders-in-talks-about-a-return-to-coaching
and yet another one
December 5th, 2012 at 7:27 am
3-13 > 6-10
for several reasons at this point.
in, fact
3-13 >> 6-10
December 5th, 2012 at 7:29 am
FML?
December 5th, 2012 at 7:31 am
Raiderbuck Says:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/21265650/report-jon-gruden-raiders-in-talks-about-a-return-to-coaching
and yet another one
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Love that pic at the bottom. Perfectly demonstrates how irrational some Raiders fans are.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:18 am
They’re like “IT AIN’T HAPPENING – GET OVER IT”
Kinda stuff.
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Cork and Jerry, I am told, have off the record access to McKenzie frequently.
I am sure they contacted The Reggie to see if he wanted to comment on these new reports, on or off the record.
Either they actually know that it ain’t happening, or they are working with McKenzie to keep it hush for the time being.
Either way, both of them know a helluva a lot more on the story than Arkush does. You can write that in stone.
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Yeah, and as exciting as it is to ponder. The reality is that we don’t know squat: and WON’T know squat. Everything is kept in the dark- always….
and all these reports coming out, are basically just echoing the rumor that stemmed in Chicago yesterday. None offer more sources, confirmation, or developments…. they’re all essentially spreading the same rumor we were all spreading in here last night.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Yep… I wouldn’t believe it till Gruden actually signed his name on a contract…. I just don’t see it happening.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:40 am
This all started from ONE GUY who sounded very sure that something was going on..i.e: Gruden is in talks w/Raiders. That guy is this Hub Arkush. He is a respected NFL guy and his credentials have already been mentioned a few times.
I was suggesting he was trying to make a name for himself but why would he risk his rep and credibility on some made up b.s?
He seems to be the only one with this inside info supposedely.
Nobody is backing him up on it, but he sounded very confident this was going on.
I don’t know what to think but like I said, this guy is a legit guy not known as a rumor mongerer…maybe until now i guess.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Somebody probably saw Gruden at the Airport in Oakland and texts were sent around and it got to Arkush’s “Source” who then filled in ALOT of blanks with craziness….
December 5th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Fingers, my gut tells me the same thing.
It just seems too weird to be true, but i am really curious where Arkush is getting this from and why he would come out with this if there was nothing to it.
That’s where the mystery is.
Like I said, he’s not some no name hack. He does sideline reporting for MNF radio broadcasts, is editor and publisher of Pro Football Weekly, and is on various voting committees. I think he has a Heisman vote as well.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:44 am
DJ Johhny….
there was a breif 10 second period last night where I felt like I was gonna explode away from my desk knocking my coffee over cause I was overcome with excitement but…….I think part of my problem is, I want to beleive it so badly that it’s making me irrational.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:45 am
546,
Very possible, but Hub has not been the type of guy to jump on something like this and make an announcement w/o verification.
He seems to take his credibility around the league seriously.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Can’t get too excited about Gruden because chances are this organization will just Fk it up by Bringing him in and a Football consultant or something.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:51 am
Just heard on NFL Sirius Radio that Gruden and The Raiders are in negotiations!!
December 5th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Well the timing stinks. Even if it’s true no one is saying anything because of DA’s dad passing away (RIP) I agree it’s not a classy move to substantiate rumors of his head coaching demise the day after his father passes away.
We won’t know for sure until after the season.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Between McClain getting suspended and the Gruden Rumors, I think this has been one of the most dysfunctional seasons ever.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:54 am
552.Raiderbuck Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Well the timing stinks. Even if it’s true no one is saying anything because of DA’s dad passing away (RIP) I agree it’s not a classy move to substantiate rumors of his head coaching demise the day after his father passes away.
We won’t know for sure until after the season.
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It’s also unfair to give him a pass on the past 12+ weeks because his dad died yesterday.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Well the timing stinks. Even if it’s true no one is saying anything because of DA’s dad passing away
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For sure dude, for sure……I don’t hate Allen, and I really feel for him right now. I’m highly disappointed with the product we put on the feild this year but….
That being said, I’d be beside myself if Gruden came back. Just hearing all the rumors stirs up the “Fire that burns Brightest” inside me.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:57 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:54 am
552.Raiderbuck Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Well the timing stinks. Even if it’s true no one is saying anything because of DA’s dad passing away (RIP) I agree it’s not a classy move to substantiate rumors of his head coaching demise the day after his father passes away.
We won’t know for sure until after the season.
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It’s also unfair to give him a pass on the past 12+ weeks because his dad died yesterday.
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Oh I agree he doesn’t get a pass of any kind. Just saying they aren’t going to give him the one two punch either.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Just hearing all the rumors stirs up the “Fire that burns Brightest” inside me.
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Nice. The will to win.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 am
I feel very bad for Dennis Allen and it’s been a miserable week for him. He’s going to be given at least to the end of the season before he gets his walking papers. These rumors that are probably baseless don’t help the morale much. It’s like vultures circling. Let the poor man grieve. If Gruden is serious about this rumored return, then he should confirm it now or step back and deny it out of respect for Dennis Allen. Now’s not the time to be cute and act the publicity ham. I hope Gruden does the right thing.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 am
So, with all the Gruden rumors, will Greg Knapp and Dennis Allen light the torch next year…ok, sorry, that was bad!
December 5th, 2012 at 8:16 am
I agree, Guest! Unless Allen already said that he is done and especially now because of his father and we just don’t know about that!
December 5th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Raiders going nowhere fast.
Lakers blow goats.
FML indeed!
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Hey don’t forget that last month the conservatives got flushed likes turds as well.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Tarver should be studying film of the Chargers’ defense against Manning from that 3 year stretch where they shut him down…Therein lies the answer…If our defense can come close to executing it…That is the question.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Bring back Gruden….
December 5th, 2012 at 8:24 am
guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 am
I feel very bad for Dennis Allen and it’s been a miserable week for him. He’s going to be given at least to the end of the season before he gets his walking papers. These rumors that are probably baseless don’t help the morale much. It’s like vultures circling.
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You are exactly right. All this is, is a blatant distraction that makes things worse not better. Yet some imbeciles errr, fans, are grabbing onto this like it is the Holy Grail. You know who I support Raiders. I support Palmer. I support Allen. I support McKenzie. The second Gruden comes here I will support him as well, til then he can fukk off.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:25 am
548.theghostronin79 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:44 am
DJ Johhny….
there was a breif 10 second period last night where I felt like I was gonna explode away from my desk knocking my coffee over cause I was overcome with excitement but…….I think part of my problem is, I want to beleive it so badly that it’s making me irrational.
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Me too. Like i said, i was in my car listening to this as it was announced and the way he said it sounded like this was really happening and i was so excited that i even texted my Dallas fan friend that “Gruden is coming to Oakland”.
The guys on the radio (the hosts) spent about 20 mins. on it total. They even came out of commercial break saying “Just to reiterate we have breaking NFL news as reported by Hub Arkush just a few minutes ago that Jon Gruden is in talks to return to the Oakland Raiders to take on a prominent role within the organization”. That’s as close to word for word that I can recall.
After that they spent a few minutes talking about it. One host said “Wow. Dennis Allen is really having a bad week”.
The one host (Terry Boers) went on and said how Gruden was a rockstar in Oakland..”Did u say when he came back there to light the Al Davis torch how those fans reacted”? “If you’re one of the decision makers for the Raiders how could you not wanna pursue that”?
Then they talked about Mark Davis and said they really didn’t know much about him and how Mark couldn’t possibly be as meddling as his dad and that this could be a good deal for Gruden, etc. etc.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Keep Dennis Allen, Greg Knapp, and Palmer in place until the end of the season.
Gruden needs a good first round pick to start off next year.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Dog sick.. heard the alarm blast, realized that it was 150 degrees under my blanket and that i was gonna hurl if i didint cool down. Ugg. That god for sticky homegrown green crack
December 5th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Thank god for …
December 5th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Tennessee will need to find a new target for its obsession, as Jon Gruden has reportedly told the Vols he isn’t interested in the job.
Jimmy Hyams, a radio host on the Sports Animal in Knoxville, Tenn., reported that Gruden informed UT of his decision, after having phone talks last week.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:24 am
guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 am
I feel very bad for Dennis Allen and it’s been a miserable week for him. He’s going to be given at least to the end of the season before he gets his walking papers. These rumors that are probably baseless don’t help the morale much. It’s like vultures circling.
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You are exactly right. All this is, is a blatant distraction that makes things worse not better. Yet some imbeciles errr, fans, are grabbing onto this like it is the Holy Grail. You know who I support Raiders. I support Palmer. I support Allen. I support McKenzie. The second Gruden comes here I will support him as well, til then he can fukk off.
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I can’t help feeling excited. I agree 100% with what both of you said. I do…
But there was a good 6 year period in my life where “The one who got away” could have snatched me away from any woman. Nobody compared to her, I was never totally over her and though, I moved on and dated others, it wasn’t the same.
I know this ain’t the same thing but, it kinda is. And I agree the timing is horrible, and I support our Raiders………
Hey, I heard rumors….I got excited, can’t help it.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:38 am
552.Raiderbuck Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Well the timing stinks. Even if it’s true no one is saying anything because of DA’s dad passing away (RIP) I agree it’s not a classy move to substantiate rumors of his head coaching demise the day after his father passes away.
We won’t know for sure until after the season.
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Didn’t we fire someone on Christmas Eve?
December 5th, 2012 at 8:39 am
561.Seymour Bush Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Raiders going nowhere fast.
Lakers blow goats.
FML indeed!
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Hey don’t forget that last month the conservatives got flushed likes turds as well.
++++++++++
Certainly a sad day for the country.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:47 am
I think Dennis Allen would jump at an opportunity to get back to the Broncos in some capacity.
Sometimes a person takes on too much…..his skinny shoulders were simply not strong enough for this job.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:52 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
December 5th, 2012 at 8:53 am
I also think we should see plenty more of Criner / Streater on the field. It’s not like Moore had a bad game. He’s been “Off” all year long. Running wrong routes, dropping drive killing balls that hit him square in the hands. I mentioned that he looked disinterested in preseason….. He’s turning me sour quickly.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:53 am
ok what did i miss here ??? FML ???
please explain.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:53 am
The Broncos aren’t getting rid of JDR anytime soon. And even though JDR wants another shot at being a HC, I don’t see it happening for him either. He’d be another retread hire and a long shot at best. From what I hear from Bronco fans who were sorry to lose Allen to the Raiders, they seem to be very very happy to have JDR and have turned the page on Allen.
Allen’s burned his bridge to Denver. It may be true that the Raiders gig is too big for him, but going back isn’t in the cards either. It’s why you should think long and hard about a career or job change even if it’s a promotion or better money.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am
I don’t think Pryor will get much of a sniff -if any- on Thursday. I think they’ll take the long week upcoming to get him ready to play against KC.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Wow! Raiders offering Gruden a 10% stake in the team and a 5 year, $55 million dollar contract which includes say in personnel moves, and complete control of his coaching staff.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Wow! Raiders offering Gruden a 10% stake in the team and a 5 year, $55 million dollar contract which includes say in personnel moves, and complete control of his coaching staff.
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Comon
December 5th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Wow! Raiders offering Gruden a 10% stake in the team and a 5 year, $55 million dollar contract which includes say in personnel moves, and complete control of his coaching staff.
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LINK? Or it didn’t happen! LOL!
December 5th, 2012 at 8:58 am
575.theghostronin79 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:53 am
I also think we should see plenty more of Criner / Streater on the field. It’s not like Moore had a bad game. He’s been “Off” all year long. Running wrong routes, dropping drive killing balls that hit him square in the hands. I mentioned that he looked disinterested in preseason….. He’s turning me sour quickly.
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That was the Knock on him in college. But can’t deny he’s the most talented WR on the Roster. He knows how to get in the EndZone
December 5th, 2012 at 8:58 am
I think there’s more to the story than just running wrong routes for Moore’s benching. I wonder if it’s unsatisfactory work ethic in practice. I remember when Carson would gush about working with Moore for an entire offseason and how he would breakout as a #1 wideout. But he has regressed. It wasn’t completely noticable because of the stats he was putting up. But the benching in game confirms that all is not well.
I agree that Streater and Criner need to be on the field more and show Moore the consequences of being put in the doghouse. Maybe light a fire under him. nothing to lose at this point anyway, right?
December 5th, 2012 at 8:59 am
579.Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Wow! Raiders offering Gruden a 10% stake in the team and a 5 year, $55 million dollar contract which includes say in personnel moves, and complete control of his coaching staff.
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Really bad move, I could care less about the money or ownership stake but personell moves? I don’t want another Chris Simms here.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:53 am
I also think we should see plenty more of Criner / Streater on the field. It’s not like Moore had a bad game. He’s been “Off” all year long. Running wrong routes, dropping drive killing balls that hit him square in the hands. I mentioned that he looked disinterested in preseason….. He’s turning me sour quickly.
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You can say this of a number of players this year, unfortunately. You have to wonder what effect the coaching staff has staff has had since a number of the guys have seemingly lost their focus.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Wow! Raiders offering Gruden a 10% stake in the team and a 5 year, $55 million dollar contract which includes say in personnel moves, and complete control of his coaching staff.
******
sure.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:02 am
558.guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 am
I feel very bad for Dennis Allen and it’s been a miserable week for him. He’s going to be given at least to the end of the season before he gets his walking papers. These rumors that are probably baseless don’t help the morale much. It’s like vultures circling. Let the poor man grieve. If Gruden is serious about this rumored return, then he should confirm it now or step back and deny it out of respect for Dennis Allen. Now’s not the time to be cute and act the publicity ham. I hope Gruden does the right thing.
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I don’t blame the Raiders for this getting out. IF they are in talks with Gruden it started well before DA’s father became gravely ill and it wouldn’t stop unfortunately in lieu of his dads passing.
I’m sure the powers that be don’t want to pile on DA right now with this “rumor”.
As far as Gruden denying it, he and his agent probably feel there’s no need to if it isn’t true.
There are rumors everyday about Gruden. He’s going to Philly, Dallas, Arkansas, Tennessee……it never ends..
December 5th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Wow! Raiders offering Gruden a 10% stake in the team and a 5 year, $55 million dollar contract which includes say in personnel moves, and complete control of his coaching staff.
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Is this another Dakota prank or is this true?
December 5th, 2012 at 9:04 am
I think there’s more to the story than just running wrong routes for Moore’s benching. I wonder if it’s unsatisfactory work ethic in practice.
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I specifically remember the Detroit Preseason game when TP and Criner were hooking up and Criner got his first TD. Even DHB was humping up and down and giving Juron hugs on the sideline; all the receivers were….. Except Moore. He was sitting all alone, at the end of the bench, staring straight ahead and spitting on the ground not even looking at his boys. I thought “Man, what’s his problem. He looks isolated and uninterested.”
December 5th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Oh man, Gruden told them they would first have to take that Al Davis Memorial down, and re-name Mount Davis as Mount Gruden, and Amy Trask would have to have “I grind on Gruden” tattooed on her azz, and Reggie would have to have his freckles lasered off and lose 200 lbs to stay on as GM, Mark Davis has to grow his hair down to his lower back, and Gruden wants his face to be placed on the Raider logo……the Raiders are leaning towards accepting Gruden’s demands.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:04 am
585.The Big Banana Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:53 am
I also think we should see plenty more of Criner / Streater on the field. It’s not like Moore had a bad game. He’s been “Off” all year long. Running wrong routes, dropping drive killing balls that hit him square in the hands. I mentioned that he looked disinterested in preseason….. He’s turning me sour quickly.
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You can say this of a number of players this year, unfortunately. You have to wonder what effect the coaching staff has staff has had since a number of the guys have seemingly lost their focus.
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Some truth to that, i dont like the idea of guys quiting on teams, but it’s gotta be hard to play for coaches who get no results and everything they teach you doesn’t work.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Dakota Says:
561.Seymour Bush Says:
Hey don’t forget that last month the conservatives got flushed likes turds as well.
++++++++++
Certainly a sad day for the country.
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Only a sad day for 47.5% of the country. The majority feels differently.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Even DHB was humping up and down
JUMPING I mean
December 5th, 2012 at 9:05 am
guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:58 am
I think there’s more to the story than just running wrong routes for Moore’s benching. I wonder if it’s unsatisfactory work ethic in practice. I remember when Carson would gush about working with Moore for an entire offseason and how he would breakout as a #1 wideout. But he has regressed. It wasn’t completely noticable because of the stats he was putting up. But the benching in game confirms that all is not well.
I agree that Streater and Criner need to be on the field more and show Moore the consequences of being put in the doghouse. Maybe light a fire under him. nothing to lose at this point anyway, right?
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The real question is why is he regressing? After coming out on fire last year, with all kinds of passion and fervor for the game, why all of a sudden does he seem despondent and lackadasical about his game?
While the player should theoretically never quit, it really makes me further question the coaching. If you don’t believe in the person who is leading you, are you going to give your all? Yes, we all like to boisterously declare that we would in the same situation, and it’s the right thing to do, but I’m highly skeptical of those statements. Especially since I see people all around me cashing it in daily in jobs much easier than football.
I think the extremely poor coaching has directly led to a number of players “cashing it in” on this team (Darren McFadden, DHB). Players that had breakout seasons last year. Coaching plays a major role in how players perform. Just like with any other leadership role. The leader has a huge impact on the performance of those he/she leads. Hearing some of you argue otherwise tells me you have very little to no experience being in that type of role.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:06 am
592.RaidingTexas Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Dakota Says:
561.Seymour Bush Says:
Hey don’t forget that last month the conservatives got flushed likes turds as well.
++++++++++
Certainly a sad day for the country.
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Only a sad day for 47.5% of the country. The majority feels differently.
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We shall see how they feel in 4 years.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:06 am
I don’t think it is that unrealistic for Gruden to at least ask about partial ownership to come back.
The Oakland job stinks. No long-term QB solution, no stadium deal in place, league-low in revenues, talentless roster.
Got to sweeten the pot somehow.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:07 am
http://www.profootballweekly.com/
December 5th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Wake up. Gruden is using us for LEVERAGE.
Reggie needs to be fired before the end of the season so Mark can be in the running for a quality GM and coaching staff.
Possibly immediately following the Thursday night massacre.
Just Win Baby.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:08 am
596.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:06 am
I don’t think it is that unrealistic for Gruden to at least ask about partial ownership to come back.
The Oakland job stinks. No long-term QB solution, no stadium deal in place, league-low in revenues, talentless roster.
Got to sweeten the pot somehow.
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But if the Raiders are losing money, as was reported this past offseason….then would he even want a part of the team?
December 5th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Wow! Raiders offering Gruden a 10% stake in the team and a 5 year, $55 million dollar contract which includes say in personnel moves, and complete control of his coaching staff.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL White Devil.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Wow! Raiders offering Gruden a 10% stake in the team and a 5 year, $55 million dollar contract which includes say in personnel moves, and complete control of his coaching staff.
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If this were to be true, would that mean Reggie is one and done?
December 5th, 2012 at 9:10 am
O !! good day Mr. V.P. !!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Front page news. PFW is running with this story.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:12 am
ODB,
Good day sir. How are you? Must be busy at work cause you are not posting as much.
Long live the ODB.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Broncos 72 Raiders 23
December 5th, 2012 at 9:14 am
605.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Broncos 72 Raiders 23
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What kind of fan are you? It will be more like Broncos 49 Raiders 13.
Stop hating!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:16 am
ODB,
Eff my life = FML
December 5th, 2012 at 9:16 am
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/group/14891
Don’t forget to play bowl game pick em
password = aldavis
December 5th, 2012 at 9:17 am
The dude on that video….the younger one….he can barely speak. He does not really come across as very believable.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Denver 34
Raiders 16
Fire Titty Monkey and hire Gruden!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:17 am
605.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Broncos 72 Raiders 23
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you think we can score 23? That’s not bad
December 5th, 2012 at 9:18 am
601.John David Booty Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Wow! Raiders offering Gruden a 10% stake in the team and a 5 year, $55 million dollar contract which includes say in personnel moves, and complete control of his coaching staff.
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If this were to be true, would that mean Reggie is one and done?
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Dakota is a wonderful person and fine gentleman but he famously makes these fake “announcements” just to have fun.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:19 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:17 am
605.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Broncos 72 Raiders 23
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you think we can score 23? That’s not bad
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
December 5th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Broncos 82
Raiders 1
December 5th, 2012 at 9:20 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:18 am
601.John David Booty Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Wow! Raiders offering Gruden a 10% stake in the team and a 5 year, $55 million dollar contract which includes say in personnel moves, and complete control of his coaching staff.
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If this were to be true, would that mean Reggie is one and done?
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Dakota is a wonderful person and fine gentleman but he famously makes these fake “announcements” just to have fun.
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Duly noted. Had me going for a second.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:20 am
I think DA has to go, but at the same time, do we really want Mark Davis to start making Al type moves in only his 1st year?
December 5th, 2012 at 9:21 am
DA’s taking an extra day off for this:
http://drdadvandplasticsurgery.com/gallery-breast-male/
December 5th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
CONGRAT CORK- WE HIT # 600 BLOGS !
THERE’S not 1 blog that don’t talk about CHOCKY.
THOSE who wan’t him say AHY and those don’t say NEY.
OK! ITS UNANIMOUS!
” WE WAN’T GRUDEN FOR CHRISTMAS “
December 5th, 2012 at 9:23 am
oh i get it, omorans a pirate
December 5th, 2012 at 9:23 am
I want DA gone, but i want it to be Reggie’s call. Will show me that he’s willing to recognize and correct his mistakes and that Mark isn’t going to start pulling Big Al stunts
December 5th, 2012 at 9:23 am
If Gruden could come in for the last few games of the year, he might be able to get a feel for which coaches he would want to keep…..if any at all….and for which players are worth keeping.
Had Reggie and DA had that opportunity last season, I think things might have turned out better in 2012. Maybe we keep Al Saunders and the offense intact, and keep the the o-line coach and the special teams coach around, and we don’t make the mistake of signing Branch long-term, or keeping McLazy and Curry around to waste roster spaces.
What a disaster.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:24 am
LOL, ok, how are we gonna score one point…the league is gonna feel abd for us and let Janno kick an extra point so we wouldn’t get shut out? Again, lol
December 5th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Let’s just beat the Donkeys tonight
December 5th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Raider(since1967)
★★★★★★★
IS IT CHUCKY OR CHOCKY ” ?
December 5th, 2012 at 9:27 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Let’s just beat the Donkeys tonight
^^^^^^
That would be nice, but the game is tommorow night!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Cubs manager was shot in the ear by Robin Yount in a hunting accident this offseason.
GO CUBS GO!!!!!!!
FML!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:28 am
625.guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:27 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Let’s just beat the Donkeys tonight
^^^^^^
That would be nice, but the game is tommorow night!
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LMAO!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:29 am
625.guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:27 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Let’s just beat the Donkeys tonight
^^^^^^
That would be nice, but the game is tommorow night!
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FML, I though i only had one more day of this $h!t.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:30 am
OAKLAND RAIDERS @RAIDERS
#RaiderNation, help us wish Raiders Legend QB Jim Plunkett a very happy birthday!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:31 am
628.The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:29 am
625.guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:27 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Let’s just beat the Donkeys tonight
^^^^^^
That would be nice, but the game is tommorow night!
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FML, I though i only had one more day of this $h!t.
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You know when you laugh so hard that you start coughing? I am there….I think I just expelled air that I had trapped in my lungs since 1986…..ouch.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:32 am
chucky
December 5th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Robert JftC @RobertJFTC
@VicTafur Another good one…Phillip Wheeler has gotten 23 pressures out of 91 pass rush snaps, 2nd most effecient pass rusher in NFL @PFF
December 5th, 2012 at 9:33 am
It wasn’t too long ago we dominated Denver. Home or away. Cable owned them. Hue abused them. Even Jamarcus beat them. I miss Josh McDaniels.
The real problem is Elway.
We should have realized something was rotten in Denmark when Reggie stole DA away from Elway.
Old Horse teeth got us again.
Elway must be stopped.
Elway is the disease and the cure isn’t Reggie.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Finding out it’s Wensday istead of Thursday is like finding out the Gruden Rumors are not only False, but Greg Knapp is being promoted
December 5th, 2012 at 9:34 am
So who is going to go first to step up and take their beating by predicting a victory?
I’ll go second
December 5th, 2012 at 9:35 am
The real question is why is he regressing? After coming out on fire last year, with all kinds of passion and fervor for the game, why all of a sudden does he seem despondent and lackadasical about his game?
While the player should theoretically never quit, it really makes me further question the coaching. If you don’t believe in the person who is leading you, are you going to give your all? Yes, we all like to boisterously declare that we would in the same situation, and it’s the right thing to do, but I’m highly skeptical of those statements. Especially since I see people all around me cashing it in daily in jobs much easier than football.
I think the extremely poor coaching has directly led to a number of players “cashing it in” on this team (Darren McFadden, DHB). Players that had breakout seasons last year. Coaching plays a major role in how players perform. Just like with any other leadership role. The leader has a huge impact on the performance of those he/she leads. Hearing some of you argue otherwise tells me you have very little to no experience being in that type of role.
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I am not defending DA in this post, BUT here is a little something. Rewatch the games last year, DMo’s effort has never been constant. He makes amazing play’s sometimes, but he isn’t a ‘take over the game’ type of receiver. He is what he is, a big play threat but nothing more. There is a reason he fell to the 5th round.
I really don’t see guys packing it in at all. No question the team blows, but the guys who’s effort is being questioned right now have always had these lingering effort questions. As far as DHB, I don’t think he has packed it in at all. He is out there playing hard, but he is our “#1″ wr and he is facing the opponents toughest cover guys. Haden locked on him all day Sunday and Carson ignored that side of the field on all but 1 play.
Nothing about Dennis Allen screams to me that he should be retained, BUT I still don’t believe he has lost the locker room. Our defense played hard last week, they aren’t talented, but there wasn’t a lack of effort at all.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Well people…
You guys have a great weekend…mine starts now!
For those going to the game, see you there!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Whats smoking Green party?!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Hwnrdr
Hit me up 2morrow
December 5th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:34 am
So who is going to go first to step up and take their beating by predicting a victory?
I’ll go second
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Raiders win it!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:37 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Hwnrdr
Hit me up 2morrow
Will do! Ok, now I’m gone…ALOHA!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:06 am
I don’t think it is that unrealistic for Gruden to at least ask about partial ownership to come back.
The Oakland job stinks. No long-term QB solution, no stadium deal in place, league-low in revenues, talentless roster.
Got to sweeten the pot somehow.
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Thisi is the most MORONIC thing imaginable thinking some freakin coach has the kind of clout to ask for part ownership this is how silly fans are. You guys just do not understand there are only 32 jobs on planet earth and literally hundreds of capable coaches many better than Gruden and yet Gruden cult member fans think he has the ability to demand part ownership.
Persoanlly I would take Sean Payton over Gruden in a heart beat. Also David Shaw would take this job before you could get an offer out of your mouth.
You guys are absolutely NUTS!………..period
December 5th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Raider O Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:12 am
ODB,
Good day sir. How are you? Must be busy at work cause you are not posting as much.
Long live the ODB.
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they got me too damn busy !!
bad weather and bad drivers make my mortgage payment thou !!!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Nothing about Dennis Allen screams to me that he should be retained, BUT I still don’t believe he has lost the locker room. Our defense played hard last week, they aren’t talented, but there wasn’t a lack of effort at all.
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We may not have good talent, but it’s not bad enough to where should be overpowered by the Browns. So there has to be some kind of lack of effort or scheme.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Raiders 31
Mules30
December 5th, 2012 at 9:40 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Whats smoking Green party?!
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Well then……..
Fk u guys 2 on this beautiful rainy morning in the OAK
December 5th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Good day MR.Prez !!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:40 am
The only reason we beat the Doncos tomorrow is if they suit up their cheerleaders because they don’t want to get player hurt before the playoffs.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:41 am
You guys have a great weekend…mine starts now!
For those going to the game, see you there!
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Hey 3 Friday nights in a row!!
I’ll call you tomorrow
December 5th, 2012 at 9:42 am
ODB!!!
What smoking brotherrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!! (hulkster voice)
December 5th, 2012 at 9:43 am
put me down for a Raider victory too.
Raiders 28
donkeys 14
December 5th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Good morning Mr. Prez. Smoking Green Crack!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Old Horse teeth got us again.
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LOL… Thats funny sh!t HST!!
Elway resembles the donkey from the intro to Hee Haw. He makes beavers jealous…
BTW, delve into any decent mescaline lately, HST?…lol
December 5th, 2012 at 9:43 am
I agree that DMo’s play has always been inconsistent. But I disagree that he’s nothing more than a big play threat just because he fell to the 5th round.
I do think that coaching is an issue. He’s not beast WR like a Calvin or Dez, and never will be. But he can make plays regularly if he gets his head right and coached up right. Maybe losing Sanjay Lal was a negative for DMo?
Anyway, I think if he continues to watch more of Streater and Criner from the sidelines making plays that will motivate him to step up his game and play with the kind of intensity and focus he needs to be the playmaker we’ve seen at times.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:44 am
IMO if Mark Davis would even hear Jon Gruden ask for part ownership without hanging up the phone before it got out of his mouth. I would have very serious concerns about his level of aptitude as an NFL owner.
The notion in and of itself is sooo freakin stupid it makes me wonder what the hell else is bouncing around in your heads.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Enjoy the long weekend Hwnrdr.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Raiders 32
Donks 31
Jano squeaks out a winner in the last seconds…
December 5th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Yes! We all know that DMAC is injury prone, but I can’t believe how many fans are picking Knapp over DMAC.
He clearly isn’t a zone running back, and isn’t a fit for what DA and company are trying to install on offense.
Hope he tears it up next season on another team out of our division.
Some team will utilize him correctly.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:47 am
lol lol Mr Prez. !!
trying to quit smoking cigarettes so i am burning down twice the trees!!
so far so good… havent had a cigarette since Friday !!
(but i have burnt through a 1/2 oz.)
December 5th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Raider O Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Good morning Mr. Prez. Smoking Green Crack!
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Stop being greedy and pass it to the needy!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:48 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:47 am
lol lol Mr Prez. !!
trying to quit smoking cigarettes so i am burning down twice the trees!!
so far so good… havent had a cigarette since Friday !!
(but i have burnt through a 1/2 oz.)
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I am proud of you sir.
All we need is mary mary mary.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Richard Seymour……Now there is one pay check stealer. Cut him and save the money please!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:50 am
GOOD COACHING BRINGS OUT THE BEST IN PLAYERS.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:50 am
You guys crack me up every year about this time for about the last decade!
Gruden is not coming back to coach football for Oakland next year period! McKenzie worked with Gruden in Greenbay. So do you think Mark Davis is just going to bring him back to make operation decisions over McKenzie? Also, like Dennis Allen or not McKenzie brought him in as his man, his coach. Do you think he is going to change that after one year? Nope! Lastly, we may not like anything Dennis Allen has done this year but people who get paids lots of money to know football way better than we do, think he is one of the up and coming young coaches.
Now lets look at chuckys side of the story. He gets paid big dollars to talk about his passion and love “football” with out dealing with all the headaches and long hours of coaching a team. Gruden is a big ticket himself. He has figured out a way to generate income with out working directly for a franchise team. He does commercials, interviews the rookies, talk football and go home and sleep. How quick do you really think he is to jump back into coaching, studying game film with other coaches and sleeping at the coliseum?
So with all that said, I don’t think Gruden is back in silver and black any time soon. He ain’t coming back now!!!
Stop buying into this fools gold!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:52 am
HC – Shaw
OC – Norv
DC – Romeo
December 5th, 2012 at 9:52 am
663.DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:50 am
GOOD COACHING BRINGS OUT THE BEST IN PLAYERS.
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That’s right! That’s what Knapp is doing right now!!!
And if they beat the Donkeys I know there will be someone Monday morning posting, “fire Allen and let Knapp coach!!!” LMAO!!!!!!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:53 am
guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:43 am
I agree that DMo’s play has always been inconsistent. But I disagree that he’s nothing more than a big play threat just because he fell to the 5th round.
I do think that coaching is an issue. He’s not beast WR like a Calvin or Dez, and never will be. But he can make plays regularly if he gets his head right and coached up right. Maybe losing Sanjay Lal was a negative for DMo?
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Sanjay Lal was a huge POS. All of our WR prospects only got worse the longer they were under his tutelage.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:54 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:52 am
663.DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:50 am
GOOD COACHING BRINGS OUT THE BEST IN PLAYERS.
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That’s right! That’s what Knapp is doing right now!!!
And if they beat the Donkeys I know there will be someone Monday morning posting, “fire Allen and let Knapp coach!!!” LMAO!!!!!!!!
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Not for 1 game.
I’m talking bout’ seasons and careers.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:54 am
666.CJ Legend 34 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:52 am
663.DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:50 am
GOOD COACHING BRINGS OUT THE BEST IN PLAYERS.
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That’s right! That’s what Knapp is doing right now!!!
And if they beat the Donkeys I know there will be someone Monday morning posting, “fire Allen and let Knapp coach!!!” LMAO!!!!!!!!
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No, we could beat the Donkeys 54 to 0 and i guarantee there will be no one lobbying for Greg Knapp.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:55 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:47 am
lol lol Mr Prez. !!
trying to quit smoking cigarettes so i am burning down twice the trees!!
so far so good… havent had a cigarette since Friday !!
(but i have burnt through a 1/2 oz.)
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Quitting cigarettes is hard, so good luck with that.
Smoking joints helps, but the cravings increase after eating, burning trees, or when you are drinking. Try those vapor cigarettes.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:56 am
DMAC,
I’m the needy. I need to smoke more.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Damn
O Dog and ODB
You guys are going to miss out on smoking on some dope ass green power ranger kush 2morrow.
lol
December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am
No, we could beat the Donkeys 54 to 0 and i guarantee there will be no one lobbying for Greg Knapp.
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WORD
December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Anyone need tix? I give you good price!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am
“GOOD COACHING BRINGS OUT THE BEST IN PLAYERS.”
I’d be interesting in knowing what players you (or others) believe were on our active/physically able to perform roster three/four weeks ago who would have made any significant difference in our won-lost record with a different head coach or assistant coach. I submit that the scores of the game might have, could have, may have been a little closer with another coach (I am very unsure of that) but there would have been no significant difference (in other words, we wouldn’t have won more than 1 more game, if that) with the greatest coach in the world.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am
No, we could beat the Donkeys 54 to 0 and i guarantee there will be no one lobbying for Greg Knapp.
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WORD
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agreed. Krapp time has to go!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am
I wouldn’t even let Knappy coach my 3 year old son!
Wouldn’t want him fking up his confidence already.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Gotta love the value and additions of Streater and Criner to the team… Get J Ford back next year and someone who knows the position of WR to coach them… Timmy Brown looking for a job??
As far as DMAC goes… As much as I love him when he’s beasting, he only beasts a couple games a year.. That too low production vs. cost to keep him here… I say see what kind of value a trade could bring. If it isnt enough, switch him to a slot receiver, run end arounds and maybe catch some swing passes out of the backfield. He just isnt durable to be your workhorse RB.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:59 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Anyone need tix? I give you good price!
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?Cuanto quieres?
December 5th, 2012 at 9:59 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Damn
O Dog and ODB
You guys are going to miss out on smoking on some dope ass green power ranger kush 2morrow.
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I always used to laugh at all the names they gave weed. But the other day i smoked some called Abusive OG Kush. Damm! That was one of those serious “Don’t operate heavy machinery” kinda things, total non function
December 5th, 2012 at 9:59 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Anyone need tix? I give you good price!
*********
If I only was local. I’d pay you face value. SMH
December 5th, 2012 at 10:00 am
thanks O. got one of those vapor cigs. but not much to them. and yes the hardest part is when i am drinking !!
but sometimes you gotta do what ya gotta do !!
plus cigarettes are damn near as much as weed !!
December 5th, 2012 at 10:00 am
I’ve been eating mescaline all morning.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:01 am
664.CJ Legend 34 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:50 am
You guys crack me up every year about this time for about the last decade!
Gruden is not coming back to coach football for Oakland next year period! McKenzie worked with Gruden in Greenbay. So do you think Mark Davis is just going to bring him back to make operation decisions over McKenzie? Also, like Dennis Allen or not McKenzie brought him in as his man, his coach. Do you think he is going to change that after one year? Nope! Lastly, we may not like anything Dennis Allen has done this year but people who get paids lots of money to know football way better than we do, think he is one of the up and coming young coaches.
Now lets look at chuckys side of the story. He gets paid big dollars to talk about his passion and love “football” with out dealing with all the headaches and long hours of coaching a team. Gruden is a big ticket himself. He has figured out a way to generate income with out working directly for a franchise team. He does commercials, interviews the rookies, talk football and go home and sleep. How quick do you really think he is to jump back into coaching, studying game film with other coaches and sleeping at the coliseum?
So with all that said, I don’t think Gruden is back in silver and black any time soon. He ain’t coming back now!!!
Stop buying into this fools gold!
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Can’t blame the fans for speculating on Gruden when respected NFL media are reporting on something.
Check out http://www.profootballweekly.com for what started all this.
It isn’t the impetuous, knee jerk fan to blame for this one.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:01 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:59 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Damn
O Dog and ODB
You guys are going to miss out on smoking on some dope ass green power ranger kush 2morrow.
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I always used to laugh at all the names they gave weed. But the other day i smoked some called Abusive OG Kush. Damm! That was one of those serious “Don’t operate heavy machinery” kinda things, total non function
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I just made that name up.
lol
But it sounds good right?
December 5th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I know they say Hall of Fame players don’t make great coaches, but Freddy B was the best WR coach. Don’t know it Tim Brown could do it but why not give him a shot.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:02 am
683.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:00 am
I’ve been eating mescaline all morning.
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If you get any good Raider “visions” can u pass it along.
Thanks.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I just made that name up.
lol
But it sounds good right?
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That’s what i think most people do to add an extra $5 per gram.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Raider-in-PA Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Gotta love the value and additions of Streater and Criner to the team… Get J Ford back next year and someone who knows the position of WR to coach them… Timmy Brown looking for a job??
As far as DMAC goes… As much as I love him when he’s beasting, he only beasts a couple games a year.. That too low production vs. cost to keep him here… I say see what kind of value a trade could bring. If it isnt enough, switch him to a slot receiver, run end arounds and maybe catch some swing passes out of the backfield. He just isnt durable to be your workhorse RB.
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I don’t see us carrying Ford next year. He was out enjoying the “life” too much this offseason. I think that’s what led to him being so injury prone. Just not well condititioned. This is the NFL where you have to train 12 months a year. No offtime-playtime. Ford didn’t realize that and he’s probably looking for a job next year. Good luck to him on that.
As for DMC, lets wait and see if we can get a real OC in here. One that can actually use a talented RB. This offensive system we got is tailored for less talented RB’s who slip thru the cracks as late round picks and UFDA’s. Like Alfred Morris in WAS for example. But DMAC needs a system tailored for him.
Biggest mistake I think was made by Knapp was forgetting that the offense flows thru and around DMC.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:04 am
You guys know whatever happened to DJ Williams?
Wouldn’t mind seeing him play MLB for us next season. He’s also a local guy.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Geeez–if Mark Davis actually dumped Reggie as gm with only one year under his belt, if Mark or Reggie dumped DA with only one year under his belt, it would establish for all players who are Raiders now and in the future that the franchise is always going to undermine the hierarchy who is supposed to rule over the players.
From then on, every player will say, “Just like the old man….we screw up, someone else pays, so we’ll just continue to coast and draw our checks and the Old Man’s son will continue to purge the guys above us. We can kick back and be as bad or as mediocre as ever.”
And you guys, the same guys who pulled your hair out and every coach’s attempt to discipline players while being undermined by Al, are in support of a purge now?
You’re all crazy.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:05 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I just made that name up.
lol
But it sounds good right?
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That’s what i think most people do to add an extra $5 per gram.
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lol
If you know your weed, you would know that most people are full of schit, when they say they have a certain type of weed.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:05 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:59 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Anyone need tix? I give you good price!
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?Cuanto quieres?
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Cuarenta y cinco. Valen ochenta y seis.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:05 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Damn
O Dog and ODB
You guys are going to miss out on smoking on some dope ass green power ranger kush 2morrow.
lol
$$$$$$$$
Lol @ Green power ranger Cush
Funny names:
Cat pi$$
Alaskan thunder Fùck
Green crack
Green power ranger Cush
December 5th, 2012 at 10:06 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Damn
O Dog and ODB
You guys are going to miss out on smoking on some dope ass green power ranger kush 2morrow.
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lol lol .. got some tasty hydro my buddy grows. guess i will have to make do with that !!
lol lol will have to come up with a cool name for it, like green power ranger kush !!! lol lol lol
December 5th, 2012 at 10:06 am
690.DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:04 am
You guys know whatever happened to DJ Williams?
Wouldn’t mind seeing him play MLB for us next season. He’s also a local guy.
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He’s also an extreme Repeat offender of the Roids policy. He is a tackling machine, but no good if he gets getting suspended for 6 games.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:59 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Anyone need tix? I give you good price!
*********
If I only was local. I’d pay you face value. SMH
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My type of customer. Too bad indeed.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:07 am
How’s this for an explanation? Mark Davis likes Gruden. Gruden likes Mark and some of the other people associated with the Raider org. They visited when Gruden was in town. They reminisced. They talked FOOTBALL. Gruden gave Mark an assessment of a few players, they shot the bull.
Period.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:07 am
I love my Raiders more than any Raiders fan, but we are gonna get ripped by Martian head and his donkeys. Having an elite QB makes a world of a difference, players play harder for their elite QB.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Krikey M8!
Mcdummy was sure taking a pounding up in here last night.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Tell me about it ODB.
$7 for a pack?!? Insane!
December 5th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Cuarenta y cinco. Valen ochenta y seis.
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que barato!
December 5th, 2012 at 10:08 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:06 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Damn
O Dog and ODB
You guys are going to miss out on smoking on some dope ass green power ranger kush 2morrow.
***********************
lol lol .. got some tasty hydro my buddy grows. guess i will have to make do with that !!
lol lol will have to come up with a cool name for it, like green power ranger kush !!! lol lol lol
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LMAO
It will be the new “wave of the future” in the East coast.
You guys are going to make a killing!
Don’t forget your brotherrrrrr when you guys get rich.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Jim Trotter @SI_JimTrotter
*sigh* can we please stop the “gruden returning to raiders” talk?please. it’s not happening. there is nothing to it.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Im impressed BB
You know your espanol
December 5th, 2012 at 10:08 am
I’m gonna have to stick to some good ol’ Mexican Brick weed cause some of this new stuff is too crazy. Seen some stuff called “Mind Rape”, I almost passed on it.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:10 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:06 am
690.DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:04 am
You guys know whatever happened to DJ Williams?
Wouldn’t mind seeing him play MLB for us next season. He’s also a local guy.
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He’s also an extreme Repeat offender of the Roids policy. He is a tackling machine, but no good if he gets getting suspended for 6 games.
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So thats what happened?
I thought he caught his 2nd or 3rd DUI?
December 5th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Yeah he got 6 game suspension then just replaced.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Cuarenta y cinco. Valen ochenta y seis.
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que barato!
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¿Sí, no?
December 5th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Now lets look at chuckys side of the story. He gets paid big dollars to talk about his passion and love “football” with out dealing with all the headaches and long hours of coaching a team. Gruden is a big ticket himself. He has figured out a way to generate income with out working directly for a franchise team. He does commercials, interviews the rookies, talk football and go home and sleep. How quick do you really think he is to jump back into coaching, studying game film with other coaches and sleeping at the coliseum?
So with all that said, I don’t think Gruden is back in silver and black any time soon. He ain’t coming back now!!!
Stop buying into this fools gold!
—
Can’t blame the fans for speculating on Gruden when respected NFL media are reporting on something.
Check out http://www.profootballweekly.com for what started all this.
It isn’t the impetuous, knee jerk fan to blame for this one.
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Anyone here follow the UFC? Then you know about Randy Couture. Fantastic fighter / hall of famer / one of the best / 3 time champ in 2 divisions…..Turned commentator. He watched and stayed involved with the sport he loved so much, but when he saw his former weight division lacking a spark or any big name fighters he felt shame. He took it upon himself to fix it, and reactivated himself…Got a title shot, and won it back again.
He had PILES of money, he owns a training facility and a clothing line, manages and coaches champions…..So WHY did he come back to fight again? HE LOVES IT…..That’s all there is to it. It doesn’t have to make sense. For some guys, they got so much passion that their actions defy conventional thinking.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:12 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Yeah he got 6 game suspension then just replaced.
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Will he did use to be a RB at De La Salle back in the days.
I would still bring him in to see what he has to offer.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Hiring Gruden would not mean Reggie is gone. Reggie and Gruden could work together. They have ties from their days in Green Bay.
Gruden doesn’t want to be the GM. He had Bruce Allen there helping him in Tampa. Gruden + Reggie might be a match made in heaven.
Hell, even Reggie might be smart enough to know that the DA hiring was a poor choice, and he might be 100% on board with bringing Gruden in.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:13 am
you got it Mr.Prez !!
and we will give you full credit for naming it of course !!
the only question now is , would you like royalty checks or product as payment ??
December 5th, 2012 at 10:14 am
711.DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:12 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Yeah he got 6 game suspension then just replaced.
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Will he did use to be a RB at De La Salle back in the days.
I would still bring him in to see what he has to offer.
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Unless he’d be willing to sign as our 4th Fullback, i don’t think Reggie is intersted.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:14 am
r8eray Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
WONDER WHAT A CARSON PALMER INT. SOUNDS LIKE IN NAVAJO ??
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hee-ho-de-la-chin-gada
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LOL, That´s great! Very good spelling.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:14 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:13 am
you got it Mr.Prez !!
and we will give you full credit for naming it of course !!
the only question now is , would you like royalty checks or product as payment ??
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Thats a tough ?????
Hmmmmmmmmm
I’ll take the product
lol
December 5th, 2012 at 10:16 am
hee-ho-de-la-chin-gada
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LOL, That´s great! Very good spelling.
*******
how come I can’t get that translated on Google?
December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 am
This might be ending just as quick as it started.
I have a friend who called me and said he heard on “The Score 670 AM” this morning that Gruden’s agent is already denying the Oakland rumor.
I’m gonna look into this.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Oakland Raiders (3-9)
It has now been an entire decade since the Raiders logged a winning season, and that Super Bowl team of 2002 must seem like it played centuries ago if you bleed silver and black. Before its current malaise, Oakland had never gone more than five years in a row (1995-99) without fielding a winner. And from 1965-1985, in their glory era, the Raiders were better than .500 an astounding 20 times in 21 tries.
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/12/05/nfl-week-13-power-rankings/index.html#ixzz2ECdzdGv9
December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:16 am
hee-ho-de-la-chin-gada
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LOL, That´s great! Very good spelling.
*******
how come I can’t get that translated on Google?
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Hijo de la chingada
Though I’m not sure they’ll give you a translation for chingada.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Wonder why PFW is the only site to run with this Gruden rumor and keep making it hotter…Now they are claiming that the HC and GM position is being discussed.
Saying they are not positive about the immediate future of DA and Reggie.
WTF is going on, I demand some answers NOW.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:21 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 am
This might be ending just as quick as it started.
I have a friend who called me and said he heard on “The Score 670 AM” this morning that Gruden’s agent is already denying the Oakland rumor.
I’m gonna look into this.
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You’d expect that. They won’t be making a move mid-season and will deny it for now.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:21 am
If u guys check the pfw video piece they specualte McKenzie would stay as GM.
My friend just passed along what he heard, but he’s also an alcoholic shut in so he may have heard them talking about Gruden’s agent denying the Tennessee rumor and got it confused.
I too don’t think Gruden is coming, but would like to get to the bottom of this.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am
4 more games to lose!!
3-13!!!
High picks!!
Fire this staff!
After 2 underachieving seasons with 8-8 records, we are 3-9 and lost to the browns and Miami (2 rookie QBs).
Fire everyone!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am
4 more games to lose!!
3-13!!!
High picks!!
Fire this staff!
After 2 underachieving seasons with 8-8 records, we are 3-9 and lost to the browns and Miami (2 rookie QBs).
Fire everyone!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am
I have always thrown that at others…
Hijo de SU chingada!
instead of Hijo de la chingada.
Just trying to be specific is all.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am
721.boss01 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Wonder why PFW is the only site to run with this Gruden rumor and keep making it hotter…Now they are claiming that the HC and GM position is being discussed.
Saying they are not positive about the immediate future of DA and Reggie.
WTF is going on, I demand some answers NOW.
++++++++++
PFW’s source is named Jue Hackson…..
December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am
4 more games to lose!!
3-13!!!
High picks!!
Fire this staff!
After 2 underachieving seasons with 8-8 records, we are 3-9 and lost to the browns and Miami (2 rookie QBs).
Fire everyone!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Corkran trying to dispel it as just that, a rumor…I don’t think you can ignore it anymore, its not just a rumor, there has to be some substance to it and something needs to reported ASAP.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Corkran trying to dispell it as just that, a rumor…I don’t think you can ignore it anymore, its not just a rumor, there has to be some substance to it and something needs to reported ASAP.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am
721.boss01 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Wonder why PFW is the only site to run with this Gruden rumor and keep making it hotter…Now they are claiming that the HC and GM position is being discussed.
Saying they are not positive about the immediate future of DA and Reggie.
WTF is going on, I demand some answers NOW.
++++++++++
PFW’s source is named Jue Hackson…..
December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am
I have always thrown that at others…
Hijo de SU chingada!
instead of Hijo de la chingada.
Just trying to be specific is all.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am
I have always thrown that at others…
Hijo de SU chingada!
instead of Hijo de la chingada.
Just trying to be specific is all.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/354150-oakland-raiders-in-talks-with-jon-gruden?sct=nfl_t2_a7&eref=fromSI&eref=fromSI
December 5th, 2012 at 10:23 am
721.boss01 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Wonder why PFW is the only site to run with this Gruden rumor and keep making it hotter…Now they are claiming that the HC and GM position is being discussed.
Saying they are not positive about the immediate future of DA and Reggie.
WTF is going on, I demand some answers NOW.
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I took it that they were inferring Reggie would stay…but you’re right; they did leave that part in doubt.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:23 am
721.boss01 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Wonder why PFW is the only site to run with this Gruden rumor and keep making it hotter…Now they are claiming that the HC and GM position is being discussed.
Saying they are not positive about the immediate future of DA and Reggie.
WTF is going on, I demand some answers NOW.
++++++++++
PFW’s source is named Jue Hackson….
December 5th, 2012 at 10:24 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 am
This might be ending just as quick as it started.
I have a friend who called me and said he heard on “The Score 670 AM” this morning that Gruden’s agent is already denying the Oakland rumor.
I’m gonna look into this.
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Yeah, but who DOESN’T deny that kind of stuff?
December 5th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Now the blog is broken too?
FML!
December 5th, 2012 at 10:25 am
FWIW, I stopped taking PFW seriously earlier this year when I read their draft scouting report prior to the draft. I don’t know if this Hub Arkush has any reputation to lose anyway. PFW could up and dissolve and nobody would notice.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Am I reading schit 2x?
Or am I on a natural high?
December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
740.DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Am I reading schit 2x?
Or am I on a natural high?
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Say what?
December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Am I reading schit 2x?
Or am I on a natural high?
******
that’s some good schit! Enjoy it while it last bro.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
I don’t see us carrying Ford next year. He was out enjoying the “life” too much this offseason. I think that’s what led to him being so injury prone. Just not well condititioned. This is the NFL where you have to train 12 months a year. No offtime-playtime. Ford didn’t realize that and he’s probably looking for a job next year. Good luck to him on that.
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Ford is under contract next year, no reason to cut him loose. He makes peanuts (500k) and he still has value as a returner. Even if he never plays WR the value to the return game makes it worth the half mill. NOW if he gets injured in camp again… well thats a different story
December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
741.Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
740.DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Am I reading schit 2x?
Or am I on a natural high?
+++++++
Say what?
December 5th, 2012 at 10:28 am
FML !!
kinda like the west coast version of FMR
(fu*k me running) lol lol lol
December 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am
R8DER MIKE, you the dude making them youtube videos with edited hightlights?? if so, props
December 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Am I reading schit 2x?
Or am I on a natural high?
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glad you said something. i thought i was starting to
stutter while i was reading ???
December 5th, 2012 at 10:31 am
boss01 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:30 am
R8DER MIKE, you the dude making them youtube videos with edited hightlights?? if so, props
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No
He’s the dude burning more trees than the Oakland hills fire.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Ford is under contract next year, no reason to cut him loose. He makes peanuts (500k) and he still has value as a returner. Even if he never plays WR the value to the return game makes it worth the half mill. NOW if he gets injured in camp again… well thats a different story
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Yeah, he’s cheap. But that’s just one reason to make the 53 man roster. What can he provide and for how long? If he’s hurt all the time, how does that help us any that he’s cheap? We have had our fill of smurf wideouts that get hurt all the time. I hope that we start to look at some bigger wideouts like the Broncos Demaryius Thomas or Dez Bryant, Brandon Marshall types in the draft and FA. These little guys stub their toe and land on IR. Ford is one of those guys I’d be glad to just not see anymore.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:33 am
nope sorry Boss not me. i am not that talented !! lol lol
December 5th, 2012 at 10:35 am
guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:16 am
hee-ho-de-la-chin-gada
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LOL, That´s great! Very good spelling.
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how come I can’t get that translated on Google?
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LOL, the word “jijo” (hee-ho) is a bad spelling of “hijo” (son) so you get “hijo de la chingada” is “Son of a Bítch”. And I better use the forums of Wordreference.com not google.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:35 am
lol lol you speak the truth Mr. Prez !!
December 5th, 2012 at 10:37 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:33 am
nope sorry Boss not me. i am not that talented !! lol lol
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Oh ok no worries
December 5th, 2012 at 10:37 am
I’d rather have Hue back than Gruden.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:38 am
“I never had no dope like this before in my life!!!
Damn man thats some heavy schit!!”
December 5th, 2012 at 10:38 am
754.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:37 am
I’d rather have Hue back than Gruden.
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I’d take Tom Cable back, just so can break Tarver’s Jaw and strip Knapp of the Play calling
December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Anyone catch the Rockets announcers call last night?
“The Lakers just pooped their big-boy pants”
LMAO…..awesome!!
December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am
755.DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:38 am
“I never had no dope like this before in my life!!!
Damn man thats some heavy schit!!”
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That was my frist thought when i hear “Hijo de la Chingada”
December 5th, 2012 at 10:41 am
757.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Anyone catch the Rockets announcers call last night?
“The Lakers just pooped their big-boy pants”
LMAO…..awesome!!
______
FML!
December 5th, 2012 at 10:42 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:38 am
“I never had no dope like this before in my life!!!
Damn man thats some heavy schit!!”
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lol lol classic !!!
December 5th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Fell asleep watching the news last night.
Whats the forecast looking like for 2mmorow night?
December 5th, 2012 at 10:43 am
http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-news/2012/dec/05/this-weeks-gruden-rumor-a-return-to-oakland-raider-ar-579553/
December 5th, 2012 at 10:43 am
759.Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:41 am
757.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Anyone catch the Rockets announcers call last night?
“The Lakers just pooped their big-boy pants”
LMAO…..awesome!!
______
FML!
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Indeed. I’m going to still continue to blame Mike Brown
December 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:43 am
759.Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:41 am
757.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Anyone catch the Rockets announcers call last night?
“The Lakers just pooped their big-boy pants”
LMAO…..awesome!!
______
FML!
—
Indeed. I’m going to still continue to blame Mike Brown
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Continuity?
lol
December 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am
761.DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Fell asleep watching the news last night.
Whats the forecast looking like for 2mmorow night?
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Shady, very Shady
December 5th, 2012 at 10:45 am
guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:22 am
I have always thrown that at others…
Hijo de SU chingada!
instead of Hijo de la chingada.
Just trying to be specific is all.
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You can say “Hijo de la chingada” or “Hijo de su chingada madre”, both are good and traslated are “Son of a bítch”.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:45 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am
761.DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Fell asleep watching the news last night.
Whats the forecast looking like for 2mmorow night?
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Shady, very Shady
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Cold and raining TDs?
December 5th, 2012 at 10:45 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:43 am
759.Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:41 am
757.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Anyone catch the Rockets announcers call last night?
“The Lakers just pooped their big-boy pants”
LMAO…..awesome!!
______
FML!
—
Indeed. I’m going to still continue to blame Mike Brown
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Continuity?
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Well played
December 5th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Luckily, when ever Peyton Manning is in the building, you’re always under a Dome
December 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am
The Herd just said that he has heard privately that Carolina players do not like Cam Newton, the organization is losing patience with him and that players were telling him on the sideline to stop with the poses.
I guess he did two first down celebrations on a drive when trailing, that didn’t result in any points.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am
If anybody’s interested John madden will be on Sirius nfl in 10 minutes…on Gannon’s show
December 5th, 2012 at 10:50 am
770.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am
The Herd just said that he has heard privately that Carolina players do not like Cam Newton, the organization is losing patience with him and that players were telling him on the sideline to stop with the poses.
I guess he did two first down celebrations on a drive when trailing, that didn’t result in any points.
+++++++++++++++
Ouch.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:50 am
I wish I could be at home cup caking w/ the wifey.
I guess you can call me a sucka for luv.
lol
December 5th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Raider O Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:05 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Damn
O Dog and ODB
You guys are going to miss out on smoking on some dope ass green power ranger kush 2morrow.
lol
$$$$$$$$
Lol @ Green power ranger Cush
Funny names:
Cat pi$$
Alaskan thunder Fùck
Green crack
Green power ranger Cush
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I used to live in Myrtle Beach, SC.. The surfer kids called the ‘good stuff’ the ‘diggety dank’… When said with their southern draw was some funny sh!t…
December 5th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am
The Herd just said that he has heard privately that Carolina players do not like Cam Newton, the organization is losing patience with him and that players were telling him on the sideline to stop with the poses.
I guess he did two first down celebrations on a drive when trailing, that didn’t result in any points.
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I would trade CP3 for him right now.
Real talk!
December 5th, 2012 at 10:52 am
771.fingers Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am
If anybody’s interested John madden will be on Sirius nfl in 10 minutes…on Gannon’s show
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I don’t have Sirius radio but already know what Madden’s going to say, “Problem with the Raiders is they allow teams to score more points than them, and that’s why they’re losing”
December 5th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Raider-in-PA Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Raider O Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:05 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Damn
O Dog and ODB
You guys are going to miss out on smoking on some dope ass green power ranger kush 2morrow.
lol
$$$$$$$$
Lol @ Green power ranger Cush
Funny names:
Cat pi$$
Alaskan thunder Fùck
Green crack
Green power ranger Cush
——————
I used to live in Myrtle Beach, SC.. The surfer kids called the ‘good stuff’ the ‘diggety dank’… When said with their southern draw was some funny sh!t…
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Quagmire’s kids or what?
December 5th, 2012 at 10:54 am
776,
Judge, THAT was funny.
…and true.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:54 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:50 am
I wish I could be at home cup caking w/ the wifey.
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me too !!! lol lol lol
December 5th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Lol… Yep, he usually says what we already know…. I doubt Madden say he blew the Reggie endorsement
December 5th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:49 am
The Herd just said that he has heard privately that Carolina players do not like Cam Newton, the organization is losing patience with him and that players were telling him on the sideline to stop with the poses.
I guess he did two first down celebrations on a drive when trailing, that didn’t result in any points.
**********
What Carolina players don’t like Cam? I wish they would name them. Because things were so much better for the Panthers before he came along, right?
No doubt Cam has to grow up and man up going forward, but on-field celebrations and clark kent shirt ripping poses are the least of the Panthers worries. The game has to be fun too.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Quagmire’s kids or what?
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LOL DMAC… no just some boned up southern kids… way before Quagmire’s time…
December 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am
I would trade CP3 for him right now.
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Me too!!!
They both stink, but take the younger guy.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:59 am
So Howard is starting to whine like a little b!tch again I see.
I told you guys he was a cancer!
lol
December 5th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am
I would trade CP3 for him right now.
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Me too!!!
They both stink, but take the younger guy.
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Exactly!
December 5th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Because things were so much better for the Panthers before he came along, right?
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Didn’t they go 12-4 two years before he got there? Make the Super Bowl with Delhomme?
They might have the first pick in the draft again!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Cam can still improve his game though. CP3 days may be over.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:01 am
I would trade CP3 for him right now.
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We already have a Cam on the team, he wears #6 and usually doesnt even dress…
Oh no, I didnt just say that!?!?!?!
December 5th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Raider-in-PA Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 11:01 am
I would trade CP3 for him right now.
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We already have a Cam on the team, he wears #6 and usually doesnt even dress…
Oh no, I didnt just say that!?!?!?!
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Camp competition for next year?
December 5th, 2012 at 11:02 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:54 am
DMAC Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:50 am
I wish I could be at home cup caking w/ the wifey.
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me too !!! lol lol lol
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You monkeys are crazy. I want to be far away from home cup caking with a Brazilian, Indian, Spanish, Italian, and a good ol’ sluty white girl.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:04 am
YO WHUT UP BLOG BRAHS, NERDS & GOOBERDORKS
The Beeech Diggity just rolled out of the sack, smoked a blunt, and set up his yoga mat by the pool
Going for 70 Down Dogs before I drop my morning duece, that would be a new record (outside of India, of course)
That Grud-Dawg story is all over the LA Times, check it – http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-jon-gruden-raiders-20121205,0,4012770.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fmostviewed+%28L.A.+Times+-+Most+Viewed+Stories%29
Awww yeah Brahs, my BOY will be walking the sidelines when the Silver & Black return to their LA home at Farmer’s Field
Beeech Diggity will be in full effect from his state of the art luxury box, holla
EXTREME BUFFALO WINGS N THE HIZZY
December 5th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:23 am
721.boss01 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Wonder why PFW is the only site to run with this Gruden rumor and keep making it hotter…Now they are claiming that the HC and GM position is being discussed.
Saying they are not positive about the immediate future of DA and Reggie.
WTF is going on, I demand some answers NOW.
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Probably because the only way Gruden could be coaxed back to Oakland is with the same situation that Holmgren had with the Browns.
Gruden holds all the cards. The only question is whether Mark Davis is dumb enough to give him full control or not.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:06 am
I should add “if the rumors are true”, which I’m not sure they are.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Cork seems like a lazy punk, dont you guys get that vibe from the chats? Always rude or short just agreeing with people just to humor them.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:07 am
This season is over – if the donks don’t put 60 points up on us it’s because they aren’t trying.
DA is in way over his head. Knapp is as helpful as a pay toilet in a diarrhea ward. Tarver needs to stay with napkins. If this place isn’t gutted and a new direction brought in it’s because the Raider Management doesn’t want to win.
Just freakin’ awful, the absolute worst case scenario for all concerned. This is your top notch wave of the future? In 5 years they may not be bottom suckers but they aren’t the next Billcheat either.
Burn it down and build again.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Paul Howard @paulyhoward
12:45 @JTTheBrick on the Gruden rumors and Lakers.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Wow, looks like the LA Times just published the same thing we’re doing, repeating rumors they’ve heard
December 5th, 2012 at 11:11 am
bring back the scowl!
December 5th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Plus there talking about on Numbers Never Lie now, Man Cork you lazy!
December 5th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:06 am
592.RaidingTexas Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Dakota Says:
561.Seymour Bush Says:
Hey don’t forget that last month the conservatives got flushed likes turds as well.
++++++++++
Certainly a sad day for the country.
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Only a sad day for 47.5% of the country. The majority feels differently.
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We shall see how they feel in 4 years.
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The country already feels better. Women feel better. Ethnic people feel better. The rest of the world feels better. Hicks from the middle of the country feel worse and want to secede. I think we all want to help them secede and then instead of getting handouts from the feds they can cannibalize each other.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am
So Howard is starting to whine like a little b!tch again I see.
I told you guys he was a cancer!
lol
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Told you guys D12 was a punk bch back then. I’ll say it again. You Lakers fans will celebrate the day you exile him.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Pretty sure the Grud-Dawg will love partying on my VIP-only Reggae Party Cruise
A few of the Beeeech Dawgettes – my fabulous collection of totally wasted strippers – already think he’s “fine, dang”, so he’ll definitely score
Jon seems like the kind of Brah who goes bareback on the shorties, but I always keep the yacht stocked with Magnums for her pleasure
Gonna send a quick email to his agent so I can start my marketing campaign, whut whut
December 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am
bcz24 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
I don’t see us carrying Ford next year. He was out enjoying the “life” too much this offseason. I think that’s what led to him being so injury prone. Just not well condititioned. This is the NFL where you have to train 12 months a year. No offtime-playtime. Ford didn’t realize that and he’s probably looking for a job next year. Good luck to him on that.
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Ford is under contract next year, no reason to cut him loose. He makes peanuts (500k) and he still has value as a returner. Even if he never plays WR the value to the return game makes it worth the half mill. NOW if he gets injured in camp again… well thats a different story
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The roster spot has value. Ford does not.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am
The roster spot has value. Ford does not
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Have you see 31 run directly into the first guy wear the other color jersey at the 9 yard line repeatedly on KoR’s?
December 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am
ET,
That may be true.
One thing is obvious with Mark- he wants to win NOW.
There must have been a disconnect at the organizational core if Reggie (as has been speculated) was looking at this season as a “throwaway” and fully expected us to be where we are at… record and performance wise. If Reggie expected that, then he didn’t relate it to Mark or else he would not be so incensed at the “regression” he’s seeing.
I think in Mark’s eagerness to see progress sooner than later he may be tsarting to panic a bit if indeed these Gruden rumors are true.
Mark may think he needs to do something desperate to get interest back with this team.
Mark correctly sees Gruden as a definite spark for the organization.
The product Mark has right now with the Raiders is not one that anybody is excited about. There’s no real stars anymore, it is arguably the worst team in football and not a heck of alot of hope; and THIS is the product Mark has to bargain with to potential investors for a new stadium? Plus the first blackout in two seasons to go along with it?
In that light the pursuit of Gruden makes sense.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Raider O Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 11:02 am
You monkeys are crazy. I want to be far away from home cup caking with a Brazilian, Indian, Spanish, Italian, and a good ol’ sluty white girl.
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DMACs cup cake is far from my home cup cake !!
lol lol lol
December 5th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Probably because the only way Gruden could be coaxed back to Oakland is with the same situation that Holmgren had with the Browns.
Gruden holds all the cards. The only question is whether Mark Davis is dumb enough to give him full control or not.
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Not sure that it’s that dumb a move. It would be a calculated gamble. Mark Davis’s fortune isn’t what his dad’s used to be in today’s dollars. It’s shrinking if anything and he has a tenuous hold of it as any time that his pops ever had.
On the surface, it looks like a huge gamble. But what seriously does he have to lose? Bringing back Chucky would invogarate the Nation. Put butts in the seats. It would make Oakland taken seriously again. Forget about the tangible benefits or if this is a smokescreen. It rights the ship and gets the franchise back on track toward something.
Something is better than nothing. DA and staff are nothing. The Nation is crying out for something.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:29 am
After we lose 42-6 in embarrassing fashio on national TV Thursday with the crowd chanting Gruden,Gruden,Gruden etc! These rumors will become reality!!
December 5th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Raiderbuck Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 11:07 am
This season is over – if the donks don’t put 60 points up on us it’s because they aren’t trying.
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Yep. I take solace in the hope that Fox might take it easy on us due to DA losing his father.
How sad is that?
We know Joe Vitt took it easy when he sent in the 2nd stringers…and the pathetic part is they went right down the field on us and Vitt mercifully took an early knee; otherwise the final would have been 45-17…and probably should have been.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:29 am
DJ,
Yep, and his dad wanted to win NOW and did desperate things to try and accomplish it. That didn’t turn out so well.
I posted earlier that the worst thing that could happen is that Mark begins channeling the old man and starts knee-jerking. I stand by that.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:31 am
DADDYS COMING HOME!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 11:34 am
808.RaiderDanny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 11:29 am
After we lose 42-6 in embarrassing fashio on national TV Thursday with the crowd chanting Gruden,Gruden,Gruden etc! These rumors will become reality!!
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Actually, if the score goes down like u suggest I would not be shocked if we didn’t hear chants of “Chuck-ee..Chuck-ee”.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:35 am
THE 2014 L.A. RAIDERS
December 5th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Gruden gets to pick his own staff! Al gave him what he had! This is gonna be great, get your popcorn!
December 5th, 2012 at 11:40 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 11:34 am
808.RaiderDanny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 11:29 am
After we lose 42-6 in embarrassing fashio on national TV Thursday with the crowd chanting Gruden,Gruden,Gruden etc! These rumors will become reality!!
—
Actually, if the score goes down like u suggest I would not be shocked if we didn’t hear chants of “Chuck-ee..Chuck-ee”.
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Only instead of hiring our legendary coach Mark ends up hiring this hack called Mike D…
Sorry wrong sport team…
December 5th, 2012 at 11:40 am
We gotta make it clear for mcKenzie if we say Chucky Chucky! He might think were talking about Chuck Pagano!
December 5th, 2012 at 11:42 am
new post
December 5th, 2012 at 11:43 am
810.edward teach Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 11:29 am
DJ,
Yep, and his dad wanted to win NOW and did desperate things to try and accomplish it. That didn’t turn out so well.
I posted earlier that the worst thing that could happen is that Mark begins channeling the old man and starts knee-jerking. I stand by that.
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I agree that is the sound, pragmatic approach, and i think alot of the fans feel the same way, but there’s always that side alot of the fans have that are sick of waiting for something to be really excited about.
I think the fan base for the most part can be placated if they just see PROGRESSION instead of REGRESSION. A sign that things are looking up and we are getting better.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Is tomorrow night the night the Donkeys take revenge for the 2010 59-14 mile high beat down?
December 5th, 2012 at 11:43 am
RaiderDanny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 11:40 am
We gotta make it clear for mcKenzie if we say Chucky Chucky! He might think were talking about Chuck Pagano!
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or hire the old Chuck E Cheese
December 5th, 2012 at 11:51 am
All you have to remember is Mark is Al’s son.Raiders are their life,it’s what they do.Meaning most of us”those who really know football that is” will get our wish soon.Reggie and his whole staff will be gone!You just dont come in here,change every damn thing and regress this much without being shown the door.Mark is just itching for the season to be over.He knows that he aint sht without the fans.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Raider (since1967)
★★★★★★★
CORK CONGRAT ! MAN WE ARE GOING TO HIT 1000 BLOGS .
MARK Says: That he is going to build a CHUCKY SCOREBOARD ”
When we score a Touchdown it will Lightup his Eyes Red and the
Scars will Bleed with Smoke coming out his Mouth!
OAKLAND BUILDING A CHUCKY SCOREBOARD WITH RED EYES THAT MOVES AND SMOKE THRU HIS MOUTH — TOUCHDOWN
RAIDERSSSSSSSSS!
December 5th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
RAIDERNATION — New Chucky Scoreboard!
EYES WILL LIGHTUP RED AND BLINK AND KNIFE IN
HAND MOVES UP AND DOWN WHEN—TOUCHDOWN RAIDERS!
December 5th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Raider(sinc1967)
★★★★★★
Nobody laughs at REGGIE and MARK. NOBODY!
Rolando and Mc Faden start running CHUCK is coming!
He says You and the Clowns stay in your car, they will bring your belongings out. Your services are not wanted!
December 5th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Raider Prediction Board
Dedicated to Al Davis, Raider duct tape (boy does it hold) and the Coliseum rodents
Week 1: Alex7: Chargers 27 Raiders 20 (22/14)
Week 2: R8eray: Dolphins 20 Raiders 13 (35/13)
Week 3: Plunketthead Raiders 30 Steelers 27 (34/31) R
Week 4: Amysincharge: Denver 48-7 (37-6)
Week 5: Klas Tjorborn: Falcons 35 Raiders 20 (23/20)
Week 6: qodrn: Raiders 27 Jags 20 (26/23 OT) R
Week 7: raidermarty/VaRaiderNation Raiders 27 –
Chiefs 17 (26/16) R
Week 8: No Winner.
Week 9: JONGRUDEN2012: Baltimore 47 Oakland 13
Week 10: GG: Saints 45 Raiders 17
Week 11: To be reconstructed when I feel better
Week 12: backstageatapupptshow: Cleveland 27 Oakland 13 – reverse winner – Albert B. Paine 20/17
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says: Broncos 72 Raiders 23
GG Says: Broncos 45 Raiders 20
qodrn: Raiders 24 Denver 23 (if Seymore replacement punches out Manning)
Raider O Says: Denver 34 Raiders 16
RaiderRockstar: Raiders 30 horse humpers 17
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