Raiders geared up for Colts, er, Broncos
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, December 4th, 2012 at 3:35 pm in Oakland Raiders.
When the Raiders look at the Denver Broncos these days, they feel as if they are looking at old the Indianapolis Colts.
Quarterback Peyton Manning is playing himself, with linebackers Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil playing the roles of Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis.
The Raiders admit that it really doesn’t matter how much time anyone has to prepare for Manning. He’s going to be a handful, no matter what. Game-planning for Miller and Dumervil isn’t any easier, especially on a short week.
“Yeah, they’re pretty good, man,” Raiders right offensive tackle Khalif Barnes said. “They’re kind of like the old Indy. Peyton’s older, with a Mathis and Freeney type of deal.
“Von can rush, he can drop back and cover, and Elvis does a good job coming off the edge, too. They do well in their scheme. They do very good at what they do. So, pass blocking those guys is going to be key.”
Miller and Dumervil combined for 23 of the Broncos 38 sacks the first 12 games. Barnes and left offensive tackle Jared Veldheer figure to see the dynamic duo most often, though left guard Cooper Carlisle said the Broncos do some things to free up their best playmakers.
“They’re both a handful,” Carlisle said, “and they both kind of present different problems.”
To that end, Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said it’s incumbent upon him to devise ways to help keep Dumervil and Miller from teeing off on quarterback Carson Palmer. The best way is to keep in extra blockers.
“The more things you can show them, the more it helps,” Carlisle said. “At the same time, there’s times where you’re going to have to do it on your own.”
– Running backs coach Kelly Skipper said running back Darren McFadden looked sharp in practice Tuesday.
“You could see him cutting, you could see him bursting off the foot,” Skipper said. “You wouldn’t have noticed today that he had been injured.”
Skipper’s glowing report is consistent with coach Dennis Allen’s expectation of McFadden playing Thursday night for the time in five games.
For his part, McFadden said he is awaiting word from the team’s athletic trainers on whether his high-ankle sprain is healed well enough for him to play in a game.
“As long as they say I’m good to go, I’m going to sign off on it,” McFadden said.
– Safeties Matt Giordano and Mike Mitchell passed the league-mandated tests for players that suffer concussions. Therefore, they are cleared to play Thursday night.
Backup cornerback and punt returner Phillip Adams missed practice as a result of the concussion he suffered against the Cleveland Browns on Sunday, the same game in which Giordano and Mitchell were concussed. He is questionable for the Broncos game.
– Knapp assumed the lead role at practice Tuesday as Allen remains in Texas, where Allen’s father Grady passed away Monday night.
Allen is expected to rejoin the Raiders on Wednesday night and coach his team against the Broncos.
Allen spent last season as the Broncos defensive coordinator, working under coach John Fox. During that time, Fox and the other Broncos coaches and players got a chance to meet Grady Allen.
Fox said Allen’s father’s passing puts things in perspective, with football taking its proper place in the background. He added that he texted Allen to pass along his condolences and to let him know he is thinking about him during this trying time.
“Well, No. 1, first and foremost is, he’s in the right place,” Fox said. “Sometimes we get a little caught up in what we do for a living and those types of things. But if that was something he would have asked me, I would have said you need to be with your family.”
– Defensive tackle Richard Seymour (hamstring) missed practice once again. It seems almost certain that he won’t play Thursday night after missing the past four games.
Wide receiver Juron Criner (shoulder), tight end Brandon Myers (shoulder) and Barnes (triceps) were added to the injury report. All three were limited in practice Tuesday.
– The Raiders signed fullback/running back Jamize Olawale from the Dallas Cowboys practice squad and placed him on their 53-man roster.
Olawale fills the void on the active roster created by the two-game suspension of middle linebacker Rolando McClain, who is eligible to return Dec. 10.
Olawale is an undrafted rookie out of North Texas. He played for De La Salle High School his sophomore season before transferring to Long Beach Poly.
[You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.]
December 4th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
BEAT the DONKS
December 4th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
I wish I could say I get numero uno a lot because I refresh the page every two seconds and spend 12 hours a day on here.
But I really don’t, so… sorry 12 hour a day refreshers, it’s just a natural talent.
Ok, anyway…
Streater and Criner will be nice. I was excited about criner the second we drafted him, cause I saw him at AZ and he is a physical, sure handed possesion type WR.
Streater looks like a potential #1 with some more reps under his belt. And undrafted.
Reg has done some good this year and had to make very difficult decisions.
One of those ‘I hope it pays off in the long run, gotta break some egges to make an omlette, will eat crow if this works’ kinda situations.
December 4th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 9:55 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:42 pm
GREG PAPA was just on 95.7 the game talking about this rumor.. Said last time GRUDEN came to Rickeys few yrs ago he had called papa and they all went down there.
Papa said GRUDEN openely talked about coming back to the Raiders and Papa was surpised to hear that.. Papa said Gruden described it as “UNFINISHED BUSINESS” also papa says he thinks Gruden would want to be the signal caller.
Papa then said Of course AL was still in charge, this was before the RAiders played the Redskins in that rainstorm.
in 2009 Al told Greg papa that GRUDEN had called him expressing that he wanted to come back. Jon had reached out to Al this was right before Al hired HUE in 2010. Papa said that HUE was really the coach in 2010.. but Cable had the title.
Greg told AL jokenly .. you would never hire JON back.. and AL said “im thinking about it” Im thinking about it”
Again Greg papa is saying this on 95.7 the game. Just letting u know. I really believe MARK DAVIS is gonna make a strong pitch for GRUDEN
—————
Everyone here knows my stance.
I didnt want to get rid of Hue…. but Hue forced his hand and made it so.
I dont want to get rid of DA…. we cant keep changing coaches. We just cant. More is gained with continuity.
But I’ve said since DAY 1…. I’ll gladly support Chucky returning home. Call it irrational nostalgia. Because, lets face it, it makes no sense. If we look at it logically, Chucky wont be the same without Al Davis. They both needed each other.
But I dont care. He’s the best coach we ever had in my lifetime. We never should have traded him. Its time to right a wrong and bring him home. And it just might happen, Mark is a fan just like us and he knows every game will be sold out when we know Chucky is in the house.
Gruden has wanted to come back for sometime, so has Gannon. Get them both in the building and Terrel Pryor on the field and watch this team turn everything around.
——————-
agreed
December 4th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
“To that end, Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said it’s incumbent upon him to devise ways…”
I stopped reading the paragraph right there.
December 4th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Thanks for the fix, Corky.
December 4th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
YOUR FIRED!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
inonewordraider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
It’s a catch 22. Going with Pryor will stun the development of the WR’s. Veteran Q
b’s help develop WR’s, Veteran WR’s help young QB’s
______________
you gotta see what you got in real games before the offseason, only a few games left
====
Why single out the QB position with this logic? I say, bench Veldheer and play Bergstrom. Gotta see what we got here. Bench Myers and play Ausberry. He’s way more athletic, forget that Myers is having a top 10 season for a TE. Wheeler, have a seat, we need to see what Burnett can do. Carter, Houston, Shaughnessy, make some room for Crawford in the mix. Come to think of it, Lechler and Seabass are pretty highly paid, so let’s bring in some FA kickers off the street and let them have a couple of games worth of quicks. Maybe there’s a diamond in the rough there …
December 4th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Also it looks from reading from and inside source about the Rolando vs DA exchange was right.
Rolando challenged DA to do something.. DA said lets go and Rolando backedown. Rolando also said nobody respected DA as a coach. NO VIC COTTO tells us something similar
Victor Cotto@cottovic
Per source, Oakland #Raiders LB Rolando McClain went to coaches prior to suspension, about not being able to attend early morning meetings.
Victor Cotto@cottovic
Then, #Raiders McClain was lollygagging during practice, which infuriated D.Allen. The LB then shouted @ coach after Allen pulled
Victor Cotto@cottovic
#Raiders coach Allen had an expletive for McClain, after some were dished out to Allen by the LB. Veteran players separated both parties.
December 4th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
And people say Tarver can’t communicate? He’s already convinced himself he can’t stop manning, now he’s got the offense convinced they can’t stop Von and Elvis
December 4th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
“To that end, Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said it’s incumbent upon him to devise ways…”
I stopped reading the paragraph right there.
——
Laughing Out Loud
December 4th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
I really think Jon Fox is gonna take it easy on the RAiders on thurs.. I even think he might let the RAiders win since they have the division already and DA is his friend. CHECK OUT THIS QUOTE??
Victor Cotto@cottovic
#Broncos head coach Fox Monday about playoff seeding. “We can’t win the rest of them if we don’t win this one (against Oakland #Raiders).”
December 4th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Oh, thank our lucky stars we will have Mitchell and Giordano for Thursdays game.
December 4th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
If only Gio could tackle. He’s Johnny on the spot, has good ball skills, smart guy, seems pretty hungry.
December 4th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Posted in an earlier thread, found it interesting, had to repost.
——————————-
304.JB Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Raiders RapidReports @CBSRaiders
On Fox NFL Sunday, Jay Glazier reported that LB Rolando McClain, who was suspended last week for two games, was fined $15,000 two weeks ago.
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
————————
Raiders RapidReports @CBSRaiders
Glazier: “Players there, they’re telling me this has been an ongoing problem with Rolando McClain. …”
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
————————-
Raiders RapidReports @CBSRaiders
Glazier cont.: “The tipping point was last week.Somebody asked him, ‘Do you even care?’ He said, ‘I’ve got 4 million reasons not to care.’”
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
————————–
JB6427 @JB6427
@CBSRaiders Jamarcus Russell reincarnated. Just another bust!
December 4th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Ok check this out.. someone was on here last night (i agree) was saying how Profootballweekly is not some “GOSSIP” website/ sports news magazine. Its a legit newssite. The owner of the site was HUB ARKUSH and he is legit and was actually reporting on the sidelines last night at the Redskin game. He has alot of sources around the legague and would not just put out that gruden to raiders if it wasnt legit.
Then someone from PFW was on the radio down in sandiego saying he has credible sources. Now check out this tweet i just read
Ryan Lieffring@RyanLieffring
My Dad is reporting that Hub Arkush is on the Score out of Chicago reporting that Jon Gruden is leaving MNF to coach the Oakland Raiders
Now another one
Dan Bernstein@dan_bernstein
. @Hub_Arkush of @ProFootballWkly just told @Boers_Bernstein that Jon Gruden and the #Raiders are in talks to bring him back to Oakland.
Now another one
Eric Albertson@Alby829
Seems like a good fit… “@CBoers: Hub Arkush just reported Jon Gruden may be headed back to the sidelines to coach the Oakland Raiders”
December 4th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
F’n WOW.. now its picking up alot of steam.
Its going crazy on twitter right now
December 4th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Too bad this gaggle of pukes isn’t capable of going out and winning one for their coach after the death of his father. Even the Chefs were able to memorialize their murderous, woman-killing psychopath teammate with an inspirational win. The Raiders don’t have enough heart to do the same thing for Dennis Allen.
December 4th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
GRUDEN IS COMING BACK TO OAKLAND.
YEEEESSSSS.
“Hub Arkush of PFW announced at 5:30 pm CST. Jon Gruden is in talks right now to assume a prominent role with the Oakland Raiders.”
==========
BULLSH*T
I can’t handle this kind of teasery. I’d freak the F out.
December 4th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Its not bullshyyyt HUB ARKUSH is LEGIT.. he has many sources in the league including Jons agent
December 4th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Anything other than HC is not a Prominenet Role for Jon Gruden.
December 4th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
It’s true…stand by.
Hub says story will break shortly.
December 4th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Only way to end the curse is to bring Chuck home…
Waiting with open arms…
December 4th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Its not bullshyyyt HUB ARKUSH is LEGIT.. he has many sources in the league including Jons agent
=========
Dude…If this is for real……
HOLY FU*K
December 4th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Yo, if the Grud-Dawg came back to the Raiders, the Beeech Diggity would instantly hump 12 babes in the doggy style position
That would be hella tight, you know the Reggae Party Cruise would be IN FULL EFFECT
And of course, when the Silver & Black return to their home in LA, the Beeech Diggs will have a front row view in his tricked out luxury box
PARTYDUDE 8000 TAKIN’ THIS JAM 2 THE STREETZ
December 4th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
JON will be part owner too… he will have a stake in the team.
I told u guys.. When JON came back to light the torch for Al he spent 3 days with Mark.
December 4th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
I want credit for breaking this.
December 4th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
GET THE F’IN F OUTTA HERE…..
December 4th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
When you reach in the 1st rnd to fill a need 9-10 it will bite you in the butt. You have to get the best player available at the positions of need. IOW usually a team need is 2-3 positions whomever grades out the highest on your board at those desired positions is the players you pick. Because if there is a corner or DE/LB Olineman or even WR at the spot you pick and you may not need that position as much as you need another take the WR if he is the highest grade on your board. Or else you’ll reach for a player who may never live up to that spot.
So to say what we should pick at whatever spot we end up at at this point is all speculation and conjecture. Better to look at the top players in gthe draft and then match them up with your prospective needs you’ll find that much more circumspect approach.
December 4th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Johnny saying it! Is a good thing! But Raider cant talk about a HC while one is in place!
December 4th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
When you reach in the 1st rnd to fill a need 9-10 it will bite you in the butt. You have to get the best player available at the positions of need. IOW usually a team need is 2-3 positions whomever grades out the highest on your board at those desired positions is the players you pick. Because if there is a corner or DE/LB Olineman or even WR at the spot you pick and you may not need that position as much as you need another take the WR if he is the highest grade on your board. Or else you’ll reach for a player who may never live up to that spot.
So to say what we should pick at whatever spot we end up at at this point is all speculation and conjecture. Better to look at the top players in gthe draft and then match them up with your prospective needs you’ll find that much more circumspect approach
————-
NERD ALERT
December 4th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Do you guys have any new links? Want new reading material. Thanks
December 4th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Dion Jordan IMO has a 3rd rnd mid rnd grade no higher I would touch him higher than 4th rnd pick.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
This is even hotter than the Gruden to the Vols rumor.
I must temper the enthusiasm a bit by saying it is NOT A DONE DEAL YET. But Hub says it’s happening s we speak.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Imma b mad if your lying
December 4th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
I have jumped on the Knapp-hating bandwagon and think Dennis Allen is in over his head, but Gruden isn’t coming back to Oakland. That would just make too much sense and this team doesn’t do what makes sense. See our latest FA signing…..smh.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Im not lying in just relaying you what is being said across the country right now.
Hub Arkush has 31 years in the league reporting.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Johnny?
December 4th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
I refuse to kept swept up in the Gruden craze. Not that i don’t believe it, but mostly because i have a feeling it will end badly. Nothing for him to do but Coach. Don’t need two GM’s or “Football consultants” like Madden. If he’s not the Headcoach, then he’s worthless.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
This is even hotter than the Gruden to the Vols rumor.
I must temper the enthusiasm a bit by saying it is NOT A DONE DEAL YET. But Hub says it’s happening s we speak.
============
Did they say in what capicity? As coach or GM?
Probably too vague huh?
December 4th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
This is even hotter than the Gruden to the Vols rumor.
I must temper the enthusiasm a bit by saying it is NOT A DONE DEAL YET. But Hub says it’s happening s we speak.
———–
If this happens, the PM Party Patrol gets full credit
Just keepin’ it real
December 4th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
670 The Score in Chicago spent about 20 minutes on it.
Terry Boers saying “Gruden is a RockStar in Oakland. When you see how the Raider Nation embraced him when he came back to light the torch (Al Davis memorial flame) and you’re one of the decision makers out there…how can you not pursue him”.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Why am i
December 4th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
This is even hotter than the Gruden to the Vols rumor.
I must temper the enthusiasm a bit by saying it is NOT A DONE DEAL YET. But Hub says it’s happening s we speak.
———–
If this happens, the PM Party Patrol gets full credit
Just keepin’ it real
—
Thanks Beeech, but if it turns out he isn’t coming can we conveniently forget I mentioned it?
December 4th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
I wonder if DA informed Mark he would finish out the season.. then be done??
December 4th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
This shyit isnt funny
December 4th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
I dont know man.. but where there is smoke there is fiyah
December 4th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
This is even hotter than the Gruden to the Vols rumor.
I must temper the enthusiasm a bit by saying it is NOT A DONE DEAL YET. But Hub says it’s happening s we speak.
———–
If this happens, the PM Party Patrol gets full credit
Just keepin’ it real
—
Thanks Beeech, but if it turns out he isn’t coming can we conveniently forget I mentioned it?
————
Mentioned what?
Get it, like you never said anything in the first place. Totally hilarious, huh
December 4th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
RaiderDanny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Johnny?
—
Wazzup Danny.?
December 4th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
And there’s starting to be ALOT of effin smoke now…..
December 4th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
DJ Johnny,
Those Gruden to Tennessee rumors were a blazing inferno! A bonfire I tell ya!
But man, we know how that ended…
Gruden coming back makes so much sense… but, something in the back of my mind says the Return of Chuckie will end the same as Chuckie to the Vols — nothing but rumor.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Im a be pissed why do i believe u
December 4th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Mentioned what?
Get it, like you never said anything in the first place. Totally hilarious, huh
—
LMFAO in fact and thank you.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Sent links and tweets to Florio and the dudes at ProFootballTalk.
They are usually good about digging up more dirt on stories/rumors like the Gruden to Oakland.
They were the 1st media outlet to break Moss being traded to Oakland.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Im a be pissed why do i believe u
=============
Cause you want to SOOO BADLY……. Just like me.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
“HUB ARKUSH is LEGIT”
Say that 6 times
December 4th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Come on johnny! I trusted you! Why coming outta Chicago?
December 4th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
There is no such talk going on at PFT right now I read that site all the time.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Gruden ain’t coming for less than 6.5 mill and full control of picks / players. It’s not gonna happen. Next.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
DJ Johnny,
Those Gruden to Tennessee rumors were a blazing inferno! A bonfire I tell ya!
But man, we know how that ended…
Gruden coming back makes so much sense… but, something in the back of my mind says the Return of Chuckie will end the same as Chuckie to the Vols — nothing but rumor.
—
I know.
Hub Arkush sounded pretty certain this is happening.
They were talking Bears and Hub broke in and said “Guys…i wanna break in with something right now..and this story is gonna break in a couple hours but i may as well say it now, there is a very strong indication that Jon Gruden is leaving the broadcast booth to take over a prominent role with the Oakland Raiders”. He went on “This is NOT A DONE DEAL YET, but we’re hearing that a deal is in the works and Jon Gruden LOOKS LIKE he is coming back to Oakland”.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
This is even hotter than the Gruden to the Vols rumor.
I must temper the enthusiasm a bit by saying it is NOT A DONE DEAL YET. But Hub says it’s happening s we speak.
———–
If this happens, the PM Party Patrol gets full credit
Just keepin’ it real
–
plus all royalties!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
I’ve seen a lot of phoney “Twitter” statements here. Including many with my name on them. Yet, I’ve never tweeted in my life.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Gruden ain’t coming for less than 6.5 mill and full control of picks / players. It’s not gonna happen. Next.
*********************************
You’d have to be absolutely insane to give Gruden that kind of control.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Yea, to good to be true
December 4th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Silverandblack666
Exactly.
Whenever I have sent Florio and the guys links, if its legit, something will be on their site within half an hour or so.
I sent PFT the links and tweets a day ago and today, nothing.
May not be legit, or they can’t get their sources to confirm/deny.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
I’ve seen a lot of phoney “Twitter” statements here. Including many with my name on them. Yet, I’ve never tweeted in my life.
—
You mean the KoolKellCloser twitter account is not you????
December 4th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
RaiderDanny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Come on johnny! I trusted you! Why coming outta Chicago?
—
Hub Arkush is the Score’s ‘Bears expert’ and he also founded and is president of Pro Football Weekly.
That’s where i got it from.
I’m not only one saying this now…which i am glad for.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
I am so scared to get my hopes up but if Gruden comes back to coach the Raiders tears of joy may actually run down my face…
December 4th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
I want credit for breaking this.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You want blame if it doesn’t happen?
December 4th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
NFLN is running piece on Gruden right now and asking if he’s a candidate for Dallas job.
They have no clue on this rumor yet.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
HUB ARKUSH is the angry little Muslim guy I bought my Persian Rug from last weekend and when he talks he sounds like he is about to huck a loogie….I doubt he is the owner of PFT I thought it was that backwoods lawyer Mike Florio’s site.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
I want credit for breaking this.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You want blame if it doesn’t happen?
—
Can i get back to you on that?
December 4th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Silverandblack666
DJ Johnny said Arkush is the founder of ProFootballWeekly.
Separate site from ProFootballTalk.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
HUB ARKUSH is the angry little Muslim guy I bought my Persian Rug from last weekend and when he talks he sounds like he is about to huck a loogie….I doubt he is the owner of PFT I thought it was that backwoods lawyer Mike Florio’s site.
—
You’re thinking of PFT NOT PFW.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
I’ve seen a lot of phoney “Twitter” statements here. Including many with my name on them. Yet, I’ve never tweeted in my life.
—————————
Sure you have, Krappy. That’s what they call it when an old troll soils his jam jams while football blogging
December 4th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
After I heard this on the radio i honestly was shocked it wasn’t all over this blog.
I will say Hub Arkush also predicted the Chiefs to be in the SB this yr.
He is very well connected by all accounts with league inside info.
I’m reporting exactly what I heard.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
OH!…..HUB ARKUSH the little bald white old man that sit s next to Dan Hampton and Tom Waddle and they pick games with point spreads the gambling show….Yeah I watch that show a lot he is pretty good…..sorry for the misunderstanding
December 4th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
“HUB ARKUSH is LEGIT”
===================================
Anyone who’s name is Hub Arkush is not legit.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
If its BS you guys got me good!
December 4th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I was SHOCKED when I heard this on the radio…he sounded sure this was going down.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Johnny your in Chicago?
December 4th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Danny, Go to PFW and look up the Gruden talk there.
THAT is where this is all coming from.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Im so gulable
December 4th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
This is even hotter than the Gruden to the Vols rumor.
I must temper the enthusiasm a bit by saying it is NOT A DONE DEAL YET. But Hub says it’s happening s we speak.
———–
If this happens, the PM Party Patrol gets full credit
Just keepin’ it real
—
Thanks Beeech, but if it turns out he isn’t coming can we conveniently forget I mentioned it?
……..
Dud you will be held to this till the dying days of this blog. this will be awesome tho. as of now im not renewing my seats but if this does hapend i will re-up on a quicknesssssss.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
RaiderDanny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Johnny your in Chicago?
—
Yep. I was just listening on my way home and that’s how I heard it.
I will be really ticked at Hub if this is all b.s.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
RaiderDanny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
If its BS you guys got me good!
=======================================
It’s BS.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RaiderDanny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Im so gulable
—
Danny, just check it out yourself.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
the rumor hit the broncos blog
December 4th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Two points at play here:
1- Hub Arkush is legit “journalist/broadcaster”.
2- He said this is going down.
That’s all i know.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
i would love chucky, but anyone other than knapp will be welcome.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
nothing on profootballweekly.com
December 4th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
I cant look! Tell me its XMAS!
December 4th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
another guy that heard it says gruden is “being heavily pursued by reggie mckenzie”
December 4th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Gruden would love to get his hands on pryor.
Just listening h to him breaking down cam and rgIII the last two monday nights probably made him that much more ready to come back to the town.
He had pryor one on one in his qb show and rated him highly.
This is a huge story if it is true!!
pryor plus gruden would be an instant upgrade, and we would be playoff ready within a a year or so.
Plus gruden has the superbowl hardware , he commands respect the moment he walks in. he is also a fantastic teacher and communicator.
The opposite of allen
December 4th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
inonewordraider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
the rumor hit the broncos blog
—
Thank god…
December 4th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Never heard of him
December 4th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
I have to applaud Stanford Routt. He managed to con 3 NFL teams to pay him. At this rate dude could probably sell you the shirt on your back.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Pro Football Weekly
http://www.profootballweekly.com/
… cripple passer’s mechanics and diminish the NFL product; plus, Jon Gruden to the Raiders? …. PFW’s Dan Arkush focuses on the Rams’ run defense vs.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
http://www.facebook.com/BringJohnGrudenBackToTheRaiders
December 4th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
He had pryor one on one in his qb show and rated him highly.
______________
he rates every qb highly on his show, if he could be our future qb it’d shock me but it’d be huge, i actually even want leinert get some run
December 4th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
nothing on PFW…
December 4th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
lienart stinks and should never see the field.
he is useless at this point, has no upside, no need to play him.
Play pyor bench palmer hire chucky
December 4th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
To good to be true
December 4th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Gruden would love to get his hands on pryor.
=========================================
Gruden has never developed a Q in his life. Having Chuckie back would be the kiss of death for Pryor.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
lienart stinks and should never see the field.
he is useless at this point, has no upside, no need to play him.
Play pyor bench palmer hire chucky
_______________
some guys take a while to reach their playing potential, in limited action looked good in preseason and with the texans, evaluation time but yes if pryor pans out that’d be the best case scenario
December 4th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
http://www.facebook.com/BringJohnGrudenBackToTheRaiders
================================================
It might help to spell Grudens name right…
December 4th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
That would be HUGE news would have caught fire by now!
December 4th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Jon Gruden/ Manti Te’o = Ratings, National media attention, Stands filled.
= PROFIT = NEW STADIUM
December 4th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Brining back chucky would help big mack a ton.
that mo9ve would be regarded as a steal by the media, and fans.
Even if it didnt work out or we didnt win, the move would not be criticized.
Gruden and davsi jr are tight. big mack and gruden are tight.
we have pryor reece dmac dhb and moore.
I GUARANTEE CHUCKY WILL BE ABLE TO BUILD A POWERFUL OFFENSE WITH THIS GROUP!!
December 4th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
I said this morning the Gruden rumor had legs, I called it. I said 2 weeks ago that Gruden lighting the torch signaled his return. I called it.
Now who the hell is Hub Arkush?? what’s the scoop on that guy?
I just found him on Twitter and there are all kinds of tweets not just from him, reporting Gruden is coming back!!
Someone please shed some credible light.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
“Gruden would love to get his hands on pryor.”
WRONG tard boy
Gruden would love to get his hands on Palmer look at his history of QB’s older game managers Gruden was never a guy to develop a QB.
Some people…
December 4th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
So where does that leave the “Reggime” ?
You guys go gaga over Gruden are misguided. He’s more cult hero than great coach. No One in history had a SB handed to them more than Gruden. Pre-made squad and he has inside info on his SB opponent. Name one other coach with such an advantage?
I do however consider him a HUGE upgrade over DA no issue there. But if you guys think he’ll come in and bring some sort high powered offense. Guess again and I hate the tought of him screwing up Pryor because trust me there is a great chance he will. Gruden would be better off with Palmer than Pryor…..trust me!
he has never fared well with yountg talent he’s too freakin impatient and he’s abusive as hell. Now there is one caveat to all this. He may have learned his lesson with all that abusive nonsense Bill Belichik had to learn the same lesson.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
What a crock of BS. Some people have too much time on their hands.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
we have pryor reece dmac dhb and moore.
=========================================
Pryor has never played a down, dmac is a complete utter bust who has been outplayed by Jeremy Stewart, DHB has not played well, and Denarious Moore is the new Chokie Lee Higgins. Other than Reece, you would not be making a strong case if I were thinking of coming here.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
i’d still take shaw or brian kelly over gruden
December 4th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Excitement dwindling- u got me!
December 4th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Hey Coach you just lost 6 games in a row, had to deal with the passing of your father (pays respect) and now the Gruden rumors, you poor basterd.
I hope no one runs over his dog tomorrow…someone put Cujo in the dog house…..maybe he could write a country music song?
December 4th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Im lighting a bunch of candles at my grandmas house where she has all her saints to make this hapend. later nation.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
So where does that leave the “Reggime” ?
You guys go gaga over Gruden are misguided. He’s more cult hero than great coach. No One in history had a SB handed to them more than Gruden. Pre-made squad and he has inside info on his SB opponent. Name one other coach with such an advantage?
I do however consider him a HUGE upgrade over DA no issue there. But if you guys think he’ll come in and bring some sort high powered offense. Guess again and I hate the tought of him screwing up Pryor because trust me there is a great chance he will. Gruden would be better off with Palmer than Pryor…..trust me!
he has never fared well with yountg talent he’s too freakin impatient and he’s abusive as hell. Now there is one caveat to all this. He may have learned his lesson with all that abusive nonsense Bill Belichik had to learn the same lesson.
========
Don’t disagree, but he would command the players’ respect. That’s 50% of coaching isn’t it?…I want him to hire a Hue Jackson at OC though…And as much as I’m pissed at Reggie, I’d rather have him calling the personnel shots than Gruden(who has proven to suck at that)
December 4th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
http://www.profootballweekly.com/ = nothing about Jon Gruden.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
So where does that leave the “Reggime” ?
You guys go gaga over Gruden are misguided. He’s more cult hero than great coach. No One in history had a SB handed to them more than Gruden. Pre-made squad and he has inside info on his SB opponent. Name one other coach with such an advantage?
=======================================
The closest would probably be Don McCafferty in Super Bowl V, who got to coach a Colts squad built by Don Shula (before Shula had been run out of Baltimore following Super Bowl III).
December 4th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
What a crock of BS. Some people have too much time on their hands.
=============================================
When you run a media website and you have no cred, you have to “invent” stories to try to “create” cred. It’s a 50/50 proposition. Either Gruden is coming here or he isn’t. Problem is, he isn’t. But knuckleheads will still go to their site and see what story they invent next. Kind of funny really…
December 4th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Gruden would love to get his hands on pryor.
=========================================
Gruden has never developed a Q in his life. Having Chuckie back would be the kiss of death for Pryor.
==========
You must of missed the whole rich gannon episode
gannon a journey man that was drafted as a safety had a serious leap in his development at grudens feet.
gruden sucks at drafting qbs..tui. sims. gradkowski and so on
Those guys stink
pryor has huge talent and gruden is the man to teach him.
another thing to consider, gruden and gannon worked because of gannons abilty in the short passing game, and most importantly his attitude.
gannon and gruden were grinders so is pryor
pryor will be grudens new gannon
December 4th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Gruden would love to get his hands on pryor.
=========================================
Gruden has never developed a Q in his life. Having Chuckie back would be the kiss of death for Pryor.
>>>>
Uhh, he turned Gannon into a MVP (with help from Callahan/Trestman). Well, maybe that’s your point.
Gruden would LOVE to have a crack at Carson.
I don’t see him leaving the booth though.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
So where does that leave the “Reggime” ?
You guys go gaga over Gruden are misguided. He’s more cult hero than great coach. No One in history had a SB handed to them more than Gruden. Pre-made squad and he has inside info on his SB opponent. Name one other coach with such an advantage?
——-
Billecheat
December 4th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
http://www.facebook.com/BringJohnGrudenBackToTheRaiders
================================================
It might help to spell Grudens name right…
**********************************************
If you’d go to the page instead of running your mouth you’d see
December 4th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
pryor has huge talent and gruden is the man to teach him.
>>>>.
Gruden has the patience to wait for a guy to learn how to throw the ball accurately?
I want what you are smoking…
December 4th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
“Guess again and I hate the tought of him screwing up Pryor because trust me there is a great chance he will. Gruden would be better off with Palmer than Pryor…..trust me!
he has never fared well with yountg talent he’s too freakin impatient and he’s abusive as hell. Now there is one caveat to all this. He may have learned his lesson with all that abusive nonsense Bill Belichik had to learn the same lesson.”
You and I are in agreement here, Gruden was never a guy to develop young players he stocked the roster full of vets and when he left Oakland and Tampa it took both teams years to rebuild to a younger roster.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
i’d still take shaw or brian kelly over gruden
=========
Shaw yes…not sure about Kelly
December 4th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Gruden developed Chris Simms into a playoff QB. That’s hard to do.
Gruden went 8-8 with Donald Hollas as as a starting QB.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
the tidbit was on the site yesterday.. u have to go back
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/12/03/stafford-suffers-from-shotgun-overload
now scroll down
December 4th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Anyone remember when the Raiders where the #1 rushing team in the NFL under Gruden? They rushed for over 2000 yards in 2000 with Tyrone Wheatley and Nap Kaufman. Those were the good ole days. Needless to say though that O-line had some studs.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
“Gruden would LOVE to have a crack at Carson.”
Again he does like the older vets….wonder how that relationship could possibly work with Reggie wanting to bring in all new younger players?
December 4th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
There’s nothing about Jon Gruden on PFW
December 4th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
bill callahan got left with a pretty good team as well
December 4th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I think what is possibly happening is that Mark is talking with Gruden to join the Raiders.
Hub is too connected for NOTHING to be happening.
Hub may be assuming that since Gruden is talking, that a deal is imminent.
Just a guess.
I went thru this with Gruden going to Tennessee Vols…supposedly Gruden had contract in hand, but there were no “credible” sources to confirm it. One newspaper “Chattanooga Times” reported it as well as Memphis Tv station but it was all b.s.
Hub seems more credible.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
we have pryor reece dmac dhb and moore.
=========================================
Pryor has never played a down, dmac is a complete utter bust who has been outplayed by Jeremy Stewart, DHB has not played well, and Denarious Moore is the new Chokie Lee Higgins. Other than Reece, you would not be making a strong case if I were thinking of coming here.
=========
bush gruden worked with pryor one on one on the field and in the film room.
I am convinced he wants nothing more than a chance to join the space age and try his hand with the wave of the future.
did you watch mnf the last two weeks?
did you hear him gushing over newton and rgIII
including pryor all 3 of them have been omne on one with gruden.
Im sure gruden is well aware of pryor and is one of the factors that may pull him out of the booth.
DHb has played well this season he needs more balls thrown his way.
Dmac and reece will be grudens garner and wheatlty
the cupboard isnt bare it is a matter of knapp mis using the talent
December 4th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Patience what patience?
You don’t know Jon Gruden you know a myth…………….period
December 4th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Jon Gruden is an absolute football junkie. Jon studies the game, and knows the history of x’s and o’s probably better than anyone. Seriously. He has this group called the FFCA, the “Fired Football Coaches Assn” where guys looking for jobs can go to his office in Tampa and watch tape. Jon might be one of the great football minds on Earth right now, but he really isn’t that much of a people person where he can break that down to others. Particularly players. And that’s where the problem begins.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
the tidbit was on the site yesterday.. u have to go back
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/12/03/stafford-suffers-from-shotgun-overload
now scroll down
***************************************************
I posted this yesterday
December 4th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
133.Raiderbuck Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
There’s nothing about Jon Gruden on PFW
—–
Then the rumors must be true!
December 4th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
I just gave u guys the damnn link about gruden.. was yesterday. Now the owner of the site is on the radio talking about it.
btw Greg papa said yesterday on 95.7 the game he use to subscribe to these guys
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/12/03/stafford-suffers-from-shotgun-overload
• Jon Gruden has been out of the NFL since his abrupt firing by the Buccaneers in 2008, when inside sources said the players turned against his hard coaching style. Known for his admiration of John Madden, many executives around the league believed Gruden was destined for a prime-time role in the broadcast booth and would seek to spend the rest of his career there, capitalizing on the naming rights involved with the video gaming world that reportedly have generated more than $100 million for Madden. While spending the past three seasons working for ESPN on Monday nights, Gruden also has not stopped spending extensive time grilling and getting to know the next batch of quarterbacks to come through the NFL in his annual “Gruden’s QB Camp” series, logic would indicate, in preparation for the next coaching opportunity. The latest scuttlebutt in the league has Gruden, on the brink of turning age 50, in line to rejoin the Raiders’ organization in a prominent role. The franchise’s downturn can be traced directly back to his departure a decade ago, he has a relationship with GM Reggie McKenzie from their time together in Green Bay and he has an even better understanding of the infrastructure in Oakland and as much familiarity with the Al Davis brand of football as anyone in football. With more autonomy to run the organization how he sees fit, adapting a model that Davis taught him, Gruden is very well-positioned to resurrect a faltering franchise that went 0-for-November and has yet to win a game since owner Mark Davis put everyone on notice and said he was not pleased with the direction of the team.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Gdog Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
pryor has huge talent and gruden is the man to teach him.
>>>>.
Gruden has the patience to wait for a guy to learn how to throw the ball accurately?
I want what you are smoking…
============
pryor is better than chris sims and gradkowski, and tui
pryor was 19/32 in the pre season 59% a solid rookie passing number
what were you smoking that caused you to miss it
December 4th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Ok I am on this site a lot as I bet every weekend so teh fact that I missed this bothers me but you are correct I was wrong to doubt you here is the article…..
• Jon Gruden has been out of the NFL since his abrupt firing by the Buccaneers in 2008, when inside sources said the players turned against his hard coaching style. Known for his admiration of John Madden, many executives around the league believed Gruden was destined for a prime-time role in the broadcast booth and would seek to spend the rest of his career there, capitalizing on the naming rights involved with the video gaming world that reportedly have generated more than $100 million for Madden. While spending the past three seasons working for ESPN on Monday nights, Gruden also has not stopped spending extensive time grilling and getting to know the next batch of quarterbacks to come through the NFL in his annual “Gruden’s QB Camp” series, logic would indicate, in preparation for the next coaching opportunity. The latest scuttlebutt in the league has Gruden, on the brink of turning age 50, in line to rejoin the Raiders’ organization in a prominent role. The franchise’s downturn can be traced directly back to his departure a decade ago, he has a relationship with GM Reggie McKenzie from their time together in Green Bay and he has an even better understanding of the infrastructure in Oakland and as much familiarity with the Al Davis brand of football as anyone in football. With more autonomy to run the organization how he sees fit, adapting a model that Davis taught him, Gruden is very well-positioned to resurrect a faltering franchise that went 0-for-November and has yet to win a game since owner Mark Davis put everyone on notice and said he was not pleased with the direction of the team.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
This story started yesterday on PFW and alot of us saw it. It’s still there. I dismissed it, but since Hub said it tonight…
It could be somethings going on but in light of DA’s father dying maybe they wanna keep it quiet out of respect for DA.
Again..just guessing.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
I’m a little skeptical about the Gruden rumor …..doesn’t sound credible … I wouldn’t think this kind of news would be leaked this way….
December 4th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
This was on the radio today guy. The owner of the site was telling this on the RADIO in chicago sports station where he also works.
He has his sources
December 4th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
I know i said i’d give him a break for just today, but Jon Gruden with a major brain injury would be an instant upgrade of Dennis Allen.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
alex7 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Gruden developed Chris Simms into a playoff QB. That’s hard to do.
Gruden went 8-8 with Donald Hollas as as a starting QB.
=========================================
When you think of Q’s that have played in the NFL, Don Hollas and Chris Simms don’t jump off the page at you. And besides Phil Simms might have had something to do with the development of Chris Simms.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
145.fingers Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
I’m a little skeptical about the Gruden rumor …..doesn’t sound credible … I wouldn’t think this kind of news would be leaked this way….
——–
It probably isn’t, but at least it’s up lifting
December 4th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Jon Gruden is an absolute football junkie. Jon studies the game, and knows the history of x’s and o’s probably better than anyone. Seriously. He has this group called the FFCA, the “Fired Football Coaches Assn” where guys looking for jobs can go to his office in Tampa and watch tape. Jon might be one of the great football minds on Earth right now, but he really isn’t that much of a people person where he can break that down to others. Particularly players. And that’s where the problem begins.
==========
i think you are over looking something
PLAYERS WANT TO WIN
when gruden comes in with his lombardi in tow he gets instant respect.
All of the player watch mnf so they are confident he knows the game
big mack and gruden will blind you with the glare of thier super bowl jewelery player will buy in.
unlike allen
December 4th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
gruden has ties to green bay
grudens up all night watching game film, mark davis is up all night…
December 4th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
i just hope DA is on his way out…
December 4th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
ok im getting juiced can allen now!!!!!!!!
ghost motion reverse action with TP6!!!!!
welcome to the wave of the future
December 4th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
I woud take David Shaw over Gruden he worked on Gruden’s staff here. David knows us he was schooled here and he understads where the game is going. Gruden IMO is still stuck on Bill Walsh’s system and is a pure WCO alumni. He will never veer to far from that system and he believes QB’s show ONLY throw the football ask Gannon. He shackled Gannon to a larger degree everything is predicated on the checkdown and 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.
Raider fans who know football and really know Gruden understand this the rest of the Raider fans are just Gruden cult members.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
152.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
i just hope DA is on his way out…
——
Yes, i think with all the Gruden hype, we’re losing sight of what’s important here.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Guys in all honesty I can’t be objective about this. I want something like this to happen so bad. In paragraph in a web column doesn’t cut it for me.
Would love to hear the radio program.
(I think I have a woody)
http://www.facebook.com/BringJohnGrudenBackToTheRaiders
December 4th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Gruden would trim Palmer’s pass attempts down to 35-40 a game instead of 55-60 and that would bring his INT total down from 16-20 a year to 8-10 and turn him into a game manager BUT would supply him with enough creativity on offense that he could audible into some amazing stuff not this vanilla we are seeing now.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
I woud take David Shaw over Gruden he worked on Gruden’s staff here. David knows us he was schooled here and he understads where the game is going. Gruden IMO is still stuck on Bill Walsh’s system and is a pure WCO alumni. He will never veer to far from that system and he believes QB’s show ONLY throw the football ask Gannon. He shackled Gannon to a larger degree everything is predicated on the checkdown and 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.
Raider fans who know football and really know Gruden understand this the rest of the Raider fans are just Gruden cult members.
==========
i feel you priest
however remember gannon had a noodle arm and brown and rice were no longer burners they had to throw short to be effective.
Besides did you see gruden breaking down newton and rgIII
he gushed over the offenses im certain he will use something similar when it comes to pryor.
Im convinced this is one of the main reasons he wants to be here.
if its true
December 4th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
If we don’t get Gruden, how about we just go coachless for a little while
December 4th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Its the thought that counts!
December 4th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
lmao…it is exciting but i just need to hear DA is out first…
December 4th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Fifteen years ago Jon Gruden was cutting edge state of the art young bright coach. Now he is just a run of the mill disciplinarian with an outdated offense………..period
December 4th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
TP6 would be moved to WR or traded if Gruden came here. like the other poster said Gruden does not have patience for rookie mistakes.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Jon Gruden is an absolute football junkie. Jon studies the game, and knows the history of x’s and o’s probably better than anyone. Seriously. He has this group called the FFCA, the “Fired Football Coaches Assn” where guys looking for jobs can go to his office in Tampa and watch tape. Jon might be one of the great football minds on Earth right now, but he really isn’t that much of a people person where he can break that down to others. Particularly players. And that’s where the problem begins.
==========
i think you are over looking something
PLAYERS WANT TO WIN
when gruden comes in with his lombardi in tow he gets instant respect.
All of the player watch mnf so they are confident he knows the game
big mack and gruden will blind you with the glare of thier super bowl jewelery player will buy in.
unlike allen
=========================================
Last time I looked, Dennis Allen has as many rings as Jon Gruden. And Allen arguably had more to do with his team winning than Gruden. The issue with Jon is players tire of him quickly. After winning it all, Jon didn’t even post a winning record the NEXT SEASON. That’s hard to do.
Now that being said, it seems like players here are getting tired of Dennis Allen. But those players seem to be guys like McLame that are about to find out the LEAGUE is tired of THEM.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
it’s all up to Mr Mark and Carol. if they want Jon it is done. Owners own. Reggie would just have to follow that lead.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
I’ll take Gruden’s “outdated” offense and play calling over Knapp’s any day.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
yeah that would save money for the salary cap sirens…
December 4th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Even if this happening it’s very doubtful it would be announced today with the circumstances of DA’s tragedy.
Hub thinks this is going down. Maybe he’s leaking something that wasn’t intended to be leaked today.
He did say IT IS NOT A DONE DEAL but he has very strong indication Gruden is coming back to Oakland.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
I woud take David Shaw over Gruden
======================================
So would I.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
162.Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Fifteen years ago Jon Gruden was cutting edge state of the art young bright coach. Now he is just a run of the mill disciplinarian with an outdated offense………..period
——-
Uhhh, you do realize Gruden ran a West Coast offense right? Same West Coast offense they run now except without the ZBS.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
what we do know is gruden IS still taking calls for gigs.
he spoke with Tennessee
December 4th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
it’s all up to Mr Mark and Carol. if they want Jon it is done. Owners own. Reggie would just have to follow that lead.
========================================
Reggie would not follow their lead, Reggie would be out.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Who is THEM and who are THEY!- – Al Sharpton
December 4th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
I woud take David Shaw over Gruden he worked on Gruden’s staff here. David knows us he was schooled here and he understads where the game is going. Gruden IMO is still stuck on Bill Walsh’s system and is a pure WCO alumni. He will never veer to far from that system and he believes QB’s show ONLY throw the football ask Gannon. He shackled Gannon to a larger degree everything is predicated on the checkdown and 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.
Raider fans who know football and really know Gruden understand this the rest of the Raider fans are just Gruden cult members.
========
Like I said dude, don’t disagree, but the players will respect Gruden. Think they feel that way about Doogie Howser?
December 4th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
162.Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Fifteen years ago Jon Gruden was cutting edge state of the art young bright coach. Now he is just a run of the mill disciplinarian with an outdated offense………..period
——-
Uhhh, you do realize Gruden ran a West Coast offense right? Same West Coast offense they run now except without the ZBS.
===========================================
And the same WCO that 99% of you say you hate….
December 4th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Triple6,
if shanarat could learn new tricks with RG, and with Gruden having a new perspective, don’t you think Jon is intelligent enough to implement something different?
December 4th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
They will bring him in just for the ticket sales.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Gotta pain in my chest!
December 4th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
lmao…it is exciting but i just need to hear DA is out first…
=========================================
I don’t think he is going back you your Broncos.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Seymour,
and if Reggie was out? so what?
December 4th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
What was the radio station in Chi town that Hub was on? What time did it happen? (about)
December 4th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Has anybody seen Gruden talking about the Raiders and a return, or are you people being played by Trolls?
What’d ya think?
December 4th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
I said this before but Arkush did not say Gruden was coming to be the new HC.
He said “prominent role” in the organization.
In fact the hosts were speculating for 20 mins. (appx) after Hub left as to what role Gruden would be holding down.
This is what makes it even more weird.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
I woud take David Shaw over Gruden he worked on Gruden’s staff here. David knows us he was schooled here and he understads where the game is going. Gruden IMO is still stuck on Bill Walsh’s system and is a pure WCO alumni. He will never veer to far from that system and he believes QB’s show ONLY throw the football ask Gannon. He shackled Gannon to a larger degree everything is predicated on the checkdown and 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.
Raider fans who know football and really know Gruden understand this the rest of the Raider fans are just Gruden cult members.
==========
i feel you priest
however remember gannon had a noodle arm and brown and rice were no longer burners they had to throw short to be effective.
Besides did you see gruden breaking down newton and rgIII
he gushed over the offenses im certain he will use something similar when it comes to pryor.
Im convinced this is one of the main reasons he wants to be here.
if its true
*************************************
Mistic1 Trust me on this one I was as close to that situation as any fan could hope to be. He did NOT help Gannon it was the other way around I know most fans will chaffe at this but it is true. Gannon HATED Gruden and vice versa. Gannon and the offensive players blossomed when he LEFT. The offense exploded and Gannon won MVP and we went staright to the SB.
Quiet as kept Gruden cost us the Tuck Rule game more tha anything with his conservative approach. He is very abusive to young players. I know I was there they hated him especially Jerry Porter. He will come here all magnanemousand once he gets in he wil demand all the control Big Al refused to give him for his own good.
It took Bill Belichik and Tom Coughlin years to understand that approach doesn’t work the only way this works is if he changes and brings in a young coach to help him with his offense and his approach. I doubt he EVER allows that to happen.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
bush allen has never been a head coach he won his ring as a position coach
gruden won as the hc
the team that gruden and bruce allen and davis sr built here was very good and went tot he superbowl the year gruden left.
It appears to me gruden had a hand in both superbowl teams that year.
gruden has a following here and his hire would sell tickets
this is entertainment business after all
December 4th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Executive President of Football Operations?
December 4th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
What was the radio station in Chi town that Hub was on? What time did it happen? (about)
—
WMAQ “The Score” AM 670.
Hub Arkush is the stations “Bears Expert”. He is also sideline reporter for MNF’s radio broadcasts and founder and president of Pro Football Weekly Tv Show.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
175.Seymour Bush Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
162.Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Fifteen years ago Jon Gruden was cutting edge state of the art young bright coach. Now he is just a run of the mill disciplinarian with an outdated offense………..period
——-
Uhhh, you do realize Gruden ran a West Coast offense right? Same West Coast offense they run now except without the ZBS.
===========================================
And the same WCO that 99% of you say you hate….
———-
It’s Knapp we hate, ZBS second, WCO a distant 3rd
December 4th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
…this happened at appx. 5:20 CST which would be what….3:20 pst?
December 4th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
SMH
Once again, no NFL head coach since George Halas has returned to a former team and had a winning record.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
I woud take David Shaw over Gruden he worked on Gruden’s staff here. David knows us he was schooled here and he understads where the game is going. Gruden IMO is still stuck on Bill Walsh’s system and is a pure WCO alumni. He will never veer to far from that system and he believes QB’s show ONLY throw the football ask Gannon. He shackled Gannon to a larger degree everything is predicated on the checkdown and 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.
Raider fans who know football and really know Gruden understand this the rest of the Raider fans are just Gruden cult members.
==========
i feel you priest
however remember gannon had a noodle arm and brown and rice were no longer burners they had to throw short to be effective.
Besides did you see gruden breaking down newton and rgIII
he gushed over the offenses im certain he will use something similar when it comes to pryor.
Im convinced this is one of the main reasons he wants to be here.
if its true
*************************************
Mistic1 Trust me on this one I was as close to that situation as any fan could hope to be. He did NOT help Gannon it was the other way around I know most fans will chaffe at this but it is true. Gannon HATED Gruden and vice versa. Gannon and the offensive players blossomed when he LEFT. The offense exploded and Gannon won MVP and we went staright to the SB.
========
hmmmm
well priest, i will defer you were there you would know better than i would.
Interesting to note you are correct that callahans team put on an offensive show, better than what they did when gruden was here.
do you think he has learned anything since he has been away?
could he come back better?
has he been influenced by shanahan and rgIII, he and shanahan are boys
December 4th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
You guys are yearning for something that is past it’s prime it’s time to move on and get the bets coaches available and stop chasing this false hope of a dream. It happened and it felt good but he’s the equivalent of a girl you once knew who’s aged and wrinkled and hair is falling out.She may still be a the same girl just not nearly as attractive as you think once she takes out the false teeth.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
182.KoolKell Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Has anybody seen Gruden talking about the Raiders and a return, or are you people being played by Trolls?
What’d ya think?
—–
Perhaps, but it has brightend the mood. So just have fun with it. As Raider fans, we shouldn’t have to be too prepared for disappointment.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Like I said dude, don’t disagree, but the players will respect Gruden. Think they feel that way about Doogie Howser
That is an insult to Doogie.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Executive President of Football Operations?
—
Maybe replace Joey Clinscales?
December 4th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Gruden would only return if he had control to eliminate the multitude of schizoid lamebrains from this site. (that is the only sticking point in the negotiations.)
December 4th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Hey, I’ll say it: Gruden is coming back! There. It’s in print, on a blog! Therefore, it must be true. Maybe PFT can report on my bombshell too! Jeez, it’s like someone who’s in denial about an ex-girlfriend. SHE’S GONE, DUDE! SHE’S NOT COMING BACK!
December 4th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
We’ve been bamboozled,run amuk,lead astray!–Farakan
December 4th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
You guys are yearning for something that is past it’s prime it’s time to move on and get the bets coaches available and stop chasing this false hope of a dream. It happened and it felt good but he’s the equivalent of a girl you once knew who’s aged and wrinkled and hair is falling out.She may still be a the same girl just not nearly as attractive as you think once she takes out the false teeth.
=================
LMAO!!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
What was the radio station in Chi town that Hub was on? What time did it happen? (about)
—
WMAQ “The Score” AM 670.
Hub Arkush is the stations “Bears Expert”. He is also sideline reporter for MNF’s radio broadcasts and founder and president of Pro Football Weekly Tv Show.
************************************************
Thank you!
December 4th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
I remember a rumor once that had John Madden coming back… And one that had Bill Cower coming…..it just seems an odd way to do business to me…. I have to see it officially …
December 4th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Has anybody seen Gruden talking about the Raiders and a return, or are you people being played by Trolls?
What’d ya think?
—
Kell, go to PFW site where this was originally speculated last nite.
Scroll up for copy of that piece.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
I wish I could say different and if Mark is sold a bill of goods I hope I’m wrong. But I sincerely doubt it. I’ve watched him up close I go way back with Gruden when he was a gopher for the Niners.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
197.ottocrat Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Hey, I’ll say it: Gruden is coming back! There. It’s in print, on a blog! Therefore, it must be true. Maybe PFT can report on my bombshell too! Jeez, it’s like someone who’s in denial about an ex-girlfriend. SHE’S GONE, DUDE! SHE’S NOT COMING BACK!
———-
Well let’s not start driving by his moms house just yet
December 4th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
i dont care if we get dr phil to coach…as long as DA is out…
December 4th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
BHP,
after 10 years of false teeth and wrinkles and hopelessness from da raiduhs it is time to embrace the idea past its prime.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
“Triple6,
if shanarat could learn new tricks with RG, and with Gruden having a new perspective, don’t you think Jon is intelligent enough to implement something different?”
Yeah I said something like that in an earlier post so yes I would agree with you
December 4th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Seymour,
and if Reggie was out? so what?
==========================================
Again, when McKenzie took over he was a $30mm over the cap. What that means is we are NOT last years 8-8 team. Dudes had to go. McKenzie made a lot of tough choices, but he did the right thing which was pare as much of the dead wood out of here as he could, as quickly as he could.
The problem is you now see a team with no players, no depth, no anything which is what Davis left us with. We all knew this day was coming. And guess what, that is going to continue next year as well. Bill Polian, Ted Thompson, and Trent Baalke could all come here, donate their time and it would STILL be a disaster. That’s the fact.
Now, once again, we can all throw fits and stomp and want to fire everyone, but I don’t see that as being overly productive and I’m really don’t see Ozzie Newsome coming out west to help out. Other than whining and crying, does someone have a better suggestion than having guys who have had alot of success in this league try for more than 10 weeks to get us out of this?
December 4th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Lol… Dr. Phil would have his hands full with this team….
December 4th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
If it is true, we won’t hear anything until after week 16.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
209.fingers Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Lol… Dr. Phil would have his hands full with this team….
———–
I’ll take Maury.
Rolando McClain…. You are NOT the Starter
December 4th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
TOM FLORES..JIM PLUNKETT RUBBING HIS SHOULDER AND WIND MILLING HIS RIGHT ARM..
December 4th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Jaguars waived Clint Sessions…..any chance we sign him? I know he’s dealing with concussions….
December 4th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
If he comes back with renewed vigor and a fresh approach NO ONE will be happier than me. I absolutely LOVED the guy he was a lot of fun. But I also saw the flaws and bad sides most fans refuse to see.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
201,
Me too fingers. I’m just passing along what I heard.
Also, the hosts coming back from break said “Just to reiterate we have breaking NFL news that…as reported by our own Hub Arkush just moments ago..Jon Gruden is going to be leaving the broadcast booth of MNF and re-joining the Oakland Raiders in …what role we aren’t sure”…then they continued to speculate.
One anncr said ‘Man..it’s been a rough week for Dennis Allen”.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Pro Football Talk picked up the story on Gruden…
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/04/report-jon-gruden-talking-to-the-raiders-about-a-return/
December 4th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
its officially a rumor now. Just got an alert from bleachers report about gruden coming back to Oakland. Holly shat. Could this be true or they are trying to sell thousands of tix for thursdays game by exinting the nation.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
THE question is if gruden did come back would he bring that offense from 1999 or would he update based on the success of rgIII and newton, and kappy?
December 4th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Seymour,
Reggie has as Reggie did. Mark did as Mark did. Coach Deer-in-the-headlights Allen appears as so many before him have in the NFL, a capable assistant but not THE MAN.
change is inevitable, timing is more important than just giving one enough rope to hang oneself.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
I said this before but Arkush did not say Gruden was coming to be the new HC.
He said “prominent role” in the organization.
==============================================
Reggie McKenzie has a prominent role in the organization. I know it is fun to think about, but I have a hard time believing that Mark Davis is going to go back on the solid advice Ron Wolf, John Madden and other long time friends of his fathers, who had this all set up years in advance. That Mark would go against their advice 10 weeks into the winds of change because Hub Arkush says so.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
I remember seeing Gannon and Gruden yelling at each other on the sideline…. Gruden has fire… Wouldn’t take any schidt
December 4th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Oh man, it looks like the rumors are picking up steam. This would be a dream come true….
December 4th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Skins are dealing with 36 million cap reduction.
Stop it. Man the f up and play or gtfo. Tired of excuses.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
if gruden is thinking of coming back im sure it has to do with tp6, and the high draft spot next year.
NOBODY CARES ABOUT CARSON LOL
December 4th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Report: Jon Gruden talking to the Raiders about a return
Posted by Mike Florio on December 4, 2012, 8:18 PM EST
Cowboys Raiders Football AP
Last week, former Raiders and Bucs coach Jon Gruden supposedly was in talks to return to the University of Tennessee, where he once served as a graduate assistant.
This week, former Raiders and Bucs coach Jon Gruden supposedly is in talks to return to the Raiders, where he once served as the head coach.
That’s what Hub Arkush of Pro Football Weekly told WSCR in Chicago earlier today.
It’s good that Gruden has made it clear that he’s committed to ESPN. If he hadn’t, the rumors would be really out of control.
This specific rumor seems to be a little far fetched. Then again, the fact that new owner Mark Davis isn’t happy with the direction of the team could make him interested in talking to Gruden. And since Gruden is interested in maximizing his leverage, it makes sense that Gruden would listen.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Justin Arbogast @NFLGuy_SK
Reports are that Jon Gruden is in talks with Oakland about a possible return.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
I’m not sold on the rumor just yet…… It just seems a little odd …. We’ve been down this road before …seems like more a rumor than it does a reality….
December 4th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Gruden has spent more time studying players and teams since he has wirked for MNF.
He loves RG3, the pistol offense, and could probably get TP6 rolling quickly.
The Nation deserves this!!!!!!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Pro Football Talk picked up the story on Gruden…
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/04/report-jon-gruden-talking-to-the-raiders-about-a-return/
———————————–
Thanks.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Seymour,
Reggie has as Reggie did. Mark did as Mark did. Coach Deer-in-the-headlights Allen appears as so many before him have in the NFL, a capable assistant but not THE MAN.
change is inevitable, timing is more important than just giving one enough rope to hang oneself.
============================================
Well said. If this was the 2012 Chicago Bears or 2012 Denver Broncos coming off a playoff win and adding Peyton Manning, I might agree with you. But this is the 2011 mediocre Oakland Raiders MINUS a bunch. Very hard to put 12-4 expectations up there when you think about that.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
BHP,
after 10 years of false teeth and wrinkles and hopelessness from da raiduhs it is time to embrace the idea past its prime.
**********************************
M you are speaking from your heart as are most here. They loved him as did I. But I also saw his bad side that some refuse to see. He is absolutely not a personnel man even he will tell you that. He does NOT know talent like most believe he does.
He will tell you as much I have had conversations with Gruden. I met him when he first got here in the back lot. He is very bright very detailed very inspiring he can motivate the hell out of this team. Great leader, I’m just being honest he is a true died in the hool WCO disciple and he will NOT deviate from that. He is a dink and dunk short passin g game playcaller who wants his QB to throw from the pocket and go through procession and then check it down.
That is who he is..period
December 4th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Gruden is NOT coming. Short of part ownership, all player/picks and north of 6.5 he aint coming. The is zero upside.
The best we can hope for Is DA gets some of the staff he originally wanted, some new players and we go 7-9.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
I tried to tell you guys,…when I was on the sidelines taking pics with Reggie and Mark last Sunday,..they were al smiles,..its a done deal,…Old Al never would pay a head coach big money and let him do his thing,..Mark will.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Skins are dealing with 36 million cap reduction.
Stop it. Man the f up and play or gtfo. Tired of excuses.
=====================================
They also don’t have a lst round draft choice for the next three years. That will help. But tell me this next year.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Tell me when Glazer has the story
December 4th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Fingers, alot of us in here and around Raider Nation want to believe this rumor…did you not hear Papa on the radio yesterday?
He accidentally leaked out some information!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
“They also don’t have a lst round draft choice for the next three years. That will help. But tell me this next year.”
LMAO
December 4th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Kirk Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
To be absent from the body is to be in the presense of God.
——————————-
That is awesome. And with that truth, I feel horrible for DA despite me bagging on him. But with that being said, he’ll be emotional Thursday and maybe that will inspire the team to pull out a win. I’m calling a win based on the blind squirell theory finding a nut once in a while. It has to happen. And then after that, John Fox begs him to come back to Denver and DA accepts the generous offer and Gruden is hired to coach the Raiders. Everybody is happy and the Raiders are back on the map.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
From Rotoworld.com (a great site for player info/fantasy football):
According to Hub Arkush of ProFootballWeekly.com, the Raiders “are in talks” with Jon Gruden about a reunion.
That’s a wild one. Aside from some fairly standard comments about being disappointed in the Raiders’ rough November, owner Mark Davis has given no indication that coach Dennis Allen’s job is in jeopardy. If there’s so much as a grain of truth to this rumor, however, Allen’s seat must be quite warm. Then again, there’s scarcely a job in America Gruden hasn’t been connected to since becoming a sensation in the Monday Night Football booth. If he’s coming back for 2013, the odds seem extremely thin it’s with the Raiders.
Source:
Dan Bernstein
@dan_bernstein
. @Hub_Arkush of @ProFootballWkly just told @Boers_Bernstein that Jon Gruden and the #Raiders are in talks to bring him back to Oakland.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
I said this before but Arkush did not say Gruden was coming to be the new HC.
He said “prominent role” in the organization.
==============================================
Reggie McKenzie has a prominent role in the organization. I know it is fun to think about, but I have a hard time believing that Mark Davis is going to go back on the solid advice Ron Wolf, John Madden and other long time friends of his fathers, who had this all set up years in advance. That Mark would go against their advice 10 weeks into the winds of change because Hub Arkush says so.
———-
If anything I think it would be giving him the opportunity to help shop for the groceries. And everything else he couldn’t do when Al was around. Remember, him an Reggie have relationship from way back in the GB days.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
THE question is if gruden did come back would he bring that offense from 1999 or would he update based on the success of rgIII and newton, and kappy?
************************************
Now truely this is the most sober lucid question everyone should be asking because if he brings that boring offense how is that different from what we’re seeing now?
I love the guy as a motivator he will win 3 more games on that alone. But the WCO is passe teams have caught up to it. It’s yesterdays news!
December 4th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Johnny if your right and it happens? I’ll kiss you on the cheeks like the Godfather!
December 4th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Los Raida…. I like that….. I’ve been bagging on Allen as well….I could see the team playing some inspired ball Thursday
December 4th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
I tried to tell you guys,…when I was on the sidelines taking pics with Reggie and Mark last Sunday,..they were al smiles,..its a done deal,…Old Al never would pay a head coach big money and let him do his thing,..Mark will.
======
Then why didn’t they hire him as opposed to T!ts?
December 4th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
BHP,
after 10 years of false teeth and wrinkles and hopelessness from da raiduhs it is time to embrace the idea past its prime.
**********************************
M you are speaking from your heart as are most here. They loved him as did I. But I also saw his bad side that some refuse to see. He is absolutely not a personnel man even he will tell you that. He does NOT know talent like most believe he does.
He will tell you as much I have had conversations with Gruden. I met him when he first got here in the back lot. He is very bright very detailed very inspiring he can motivate the hell out of this team. Great leader, I’m just being honest he is a true died in the hool WCO disciple and he will NOT deviate from that. He is a dink and dunk short passin g game playcaller who wants his QB to throw from the pocket and go through procession and then check it down.
That is who he is..period
————————–
People grow and learn and get better. Hopefully that is the case with Gruden. He has certainly had a lot of time to reflect.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
pryor is better than chris sims and gradkowski, and tui
>>>>
And these are your examples of Gruden’s SUCCESS stories at QB?
Sorry… Gruden only coached up one great QB, and he was a vet similar to Palmer.
If Gruden comes here (which I still doubt but would LOVE) your Madden-rockstar Pryor is gone.
Traded for a fourth rounder probably . He likes QB’s that can PASS first.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I dont know who tits is,..but I do know youre a loser.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
How is Pryor better than Simms or Grad? He hasn’t even played a snap yet.
Jeeeez, some people.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
“Sorry… Gruden only coached up one great QB, and he was a vet similar to Palmer.
If Gruden comes here (which I still doubt but would LOVE) your Madden-rockstar Pryor is gone.
Traded for a fourth rounder probably . He likes QB’s that can PASS first.”
I tried telling these tards that before you got here so I will pass the torch to you now….
December 4th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I dont know who tits is,..but I do know youre a loser.
==========
He’s the guy who promised a “smart, tough, disciplined football team” this year….A loser? Oh man my self-esteem was on the upswing.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Jon Gruden has one main reason to get back to coaching in the NFL.
His very last game, he walked off his home field a loser to the biggest loser the NFL ever seen, Jamarcus Russell.
That can’t sit well with him.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Gdog Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
pryor is better than chris sims and gradkowski, and tui
>>>>
And these are your examples of Gruden’s SUCCESS stories at QB?
Sorry… Gruden only coached up one great QB, and he was a vet similar to Palmer.
If Gruden comes here (which I still doubt but would LOVE) your Madden-rockstar Pryor is gone.
Traded for a fourth rounder probably . He likes QB’s that can PASS first.
=================
NO but pryor is a better qb than those i mentioned
pryor can pass first
doesnt matter if you dont believe it lol
19/32 59% in the preseason
that small body of work warrants a serious look, if ti were any so called drop back qb people would be drooling all over it
December 4th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
morilla Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
If anything I think it would be giving him the opportunity to help shop for the groceries. And everything else he couldn’t do when Al was around. Remember, him an Reggie have relationship from way back in the GB days.
=============================================
But remember Gruden was nothing more than an offensive assistant under Holmgren at the time he was there with McKenzie. And there is nothing that says they have a similar philosophy or can get along on any level.
So Is Gruden just going to coach? Or Just going to playcall? Install an offense? Run the franchise? Gruden is someone who would only want a huge hand in a franchise. Which is what McKenzie is doing. This Just does not make sense unless they are going to get rid of McKenzie, which goes against his dads wishes and elevates Hub Arkush 10 weeks into his ownership era.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
He may not be the greatest coach, but Gruden the most legitimate coach even connected to the Raiders since… well, Jon Gruden.
If this did happen, Reggie would have to make him develop young players and not mortgage the future with older, high priced players.
All that said… it still seems like a 1% chance of this being true.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
morilla Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
How is Pryor better than Simms or Grad? He hasn’t even played a snap yet.
Jeeeez, some people.
============
its called natural talent
pryor has it those others are not on his level in that regard
December 4th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
ok im out
sad but the only things worth getting excited for in this failed season is the 3rd string qb and coaching rumors
peace
December 4th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
morilla Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
How is Pryor better than Simms or Grad? He hasn’t even played a snap yet.
Jeeeez, some people.
============
its called natural talent
pryor has it those others are not on his level in that regard
….
What Mistic really meant to say is “pryor is black, which automatically makes him better than those white dudes.” lol
December 4th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Do you guys remember when the Redskins brought back Joe Gibbs who won 2 SB’s there? He ran an offense that was state of the art when they were winning.
They brought him back and the fans sold out the stadium and in less than 2 years the stadium was empty again and he stepped down.
We’re doing the exact same thing here based on some memories that have long since passed. It was great but it is OVER it’s time for all of us to move on into the future and stop reaching back for something that once was or else we’ll never really get anywhere.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
I just hope if Gruden does come back it’s as HC and not in some BS, cushy advisory role.
I swear I called this on this board a year or two ago. Gruden was calling a game, must’ve been one of ours, and the way he was kissing Al’s ring and waxing poetic about Raider Nation you just knew he wanted back in. Then Papa came up with that stuff yesterday about Gruden telling him a couple years back that he wanted to return. And his immediate text reply to Papa on the air yesterday was very coy. Very telling, if you read between the lines, to me at least.
In case you missed it, Papa texted Jon “Alot of rumors that you may be coming back to the Raiders.” Gruden’s response was “We did some damage back in the day.” A non response generally means that it’s a strong possibility if not likelihood, and that was a little more than a non-response. That sounded like a hint to me.
The plot thickens. Very interesting.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
“Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
morilla Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
How is Pryor better than Simms or Grad? He hasn’t even played a snap yet.
Jeeeez, some people.
============
its called natural talent
pryor has it those others are not on his level in that regard
….
What Mistic really meant to say is “pryor is black, which automatically makes him better than those white dudes.” lol”
You hit the nail on the head…good call!!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
If Gruden is indeed on his way back…I couldn’t be more GEEKED or JACKED UP about the direction of this franchise. This move would re-energize a rabid fan base and moreover the Gruden-McKenzie duo will be a force to be reckoned with for years to come. If indeed this is being hashed out as we speak, we are talking about a multi-year deal that would stabilize the franchise for at least a decade.
This is what Reggie was talking about when he said “We will win Super Bowls”.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Hey jongruden (screen name ) do you think Mark is still moving foward with Gruden even tho.. DA’s dad passed today? what u think? this is to the jon gruden on this blog???
December 4th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
ROUTT TO SIGN WITH TEXANS ACCORDING TO ESPN
December 4th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Paul Gutierrez @PGutierrezCSN
#Raiders talking to #JonGruden about a return to Silver and Blackdom seems pretty far-fetched…for now. #RaidersTalk: http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/raiders-talk/Raiders-reported-talks-with-Gruden-make-?blockID=809975&feedID=7638 …
December 4th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
lol now the local beat writer reporter are picking it up just because PFT picks it up LMAO.. we were talking about this since yesterday morning
December 4th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
RaiderDanny Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Johnny if your right and it happens? I’ll kiss you on the cheeks like the Godfather!
—
Ha. Well Danny at least now you know it wasn’t me making some story up.
I just related what I had heard and now it’s been confirmed by multiple sources.
I just happened to belistening live when Arkush was on the radio and “broke” this thing.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Priestj12,
That’s a valid point and a valid concern. But two things:
1. Gruden wasn’t out of the game nearly as long as Gibbs and Gruden has stayed closely involved while Gibbs was off doing his NASCAR thing.
2. I think it would be such a jolt of excitement and momentum around the Raiders that the players and those involved couldn’t help but get swept up in it. If we could just capitalize on that momentum with some early wins, it may be all we need to turn the tide.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
if gruden is thinking of coming back im sure it has to do with tp6, and the high draft spot next year.
NOBODY CARES ABOUT CARSON LOL
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Met Gruden in June at Hooter’s in Santa Monica. Talked to me and buddies for about 10 mins. The guy was cool as hell and let me wear his SB ring while taking a picture with him. One thing is for certain: He can’t stand Carson Palmer. Told me he thinks he’s washed up and was pissed that he chose to quit on the Bengals instead of playing for his brother. If Gruden comes here, Palmer is Gandhi!! Print that!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Poor fans. Now we’ve got Gruden to wish for, to “keep hope alive” . Best wishes folks.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Two words regarding Dennis Allen: Under contract.
But hey, if you want Santa to bring you Gruden for xmas you better be nice.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Also, Gruden is much younger than Gibbs was. It’s a lot easier to see Gruden’s style and approach working better with today’s 20 something’s than Gibbs, who is kind of a nice, nerdy old man at this point.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
As soon as the Raiders announce a new stadium deal, I will believe the rumors.
Until then, I remain in doubt.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Man I’m telling ya’ I listen to Gruden talk all the time if you are gullible enough to believe he has changed you’re in for a rude awakening.
Case in point: Gruden criticzed RG3 and Cam some 3-4 weeks ago for running with the football for 10 yard pickup. He said something to the effect”why have a QB run for 10 yards and risk injuriy when he can pass for 10 yards and the rec’r break a tackle and add another possible 50 yards like Jerry Rice used to?”.
I forget who said it but it was also posted by I think JFB in here. He hasn’t altered one bit. I think there is just a bunch of wishful thinking in here. I’m sure Mark Davis and Gruden are talking I said as much a week ago. I said Mark loves him some Jon Gruden. So I don’t doubt the story one bit. My position is I’m not sure it’s the best thing for this org. right NOW.
Oh! and I definitely believe Gruden will trade Pryor for whatever he can get for him to get a drop back passer no way he spends his precious time develping some young QB when he can get a vet like Palmer and win now, in his opinion.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Maybe we’ll bring back Grads to start. Gruden drafted him in Tampa and he’s plaing for Jay Gruden now.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
So, the report is Gruden possibly coming back in a prominent position. Is there any position besides head coach, GM that he would fit? Player personnel, college scouting…. offensive coordinator, no chance, but I can dream.
This feels like a fat chick rejecting you when you’re drunk, I don’t know whether to be happy or sad.
This organization looks to start doing some of the things that everyone was bashing Al on not doing for years. Then out of the blue, they want to can everyone instead of giving it some time to develop. I love Al, but I’m realistic of what a mess we’re in now. He sold his soul for one more lombardi. He tried year after year to do everything he could to get us there. He took risk after risk, and never blew up the personnel after 2002.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
When Arkush said this he was “breaking a big story” and it came off that he has inside info that something was/is imminent.
I was “geeked” cuz he sounded so sure about it…even though afterwords he said “IT IS NOT A DONE DEAL YET” but…”my sources tell me….etc. etc.”.
Now…when I see these other analysts chiming in it’s starting to sound like the Tennessee stuff, but the station mad it sound like this was way more than just a rumor.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Maybe we’ll bring back Grads to start. Gruden drafted him in Tampa and he’s plaing for Jay Gruden now.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Bite your tounge and wash your mouth out with soap!!!!!!!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Priestj12,
That’s a valid point and a valid concern. But two things:
1. Gruden wasn’t out of the game nearly as long as Gibbs and Gruden has stayed closely involved while Gibbs was off doing his NASCAR thing.
2. I think it would be such a jolt of excitement and momentum around the Raiders that the players and those involved couldn’t help but get swept up in it. If we could just capitalize on that momentum with some early wins, it may be all we need to turn the tide.
===================
3. No doubt Gruden took a Bucs team assembled by Tony Dungy. Fact is he worked miracles with Brad Johnson who is arguably the worst QB to ever win a SB. And last I checked, when Tony Dungy coached the same team, they always faltered in the playoffs.
4. Had Gruden stayed in Oakland for the 02 season, there is ZERO doubt in my mind the Raiders would have 4 Suber Bowls right now.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
if reggie can pull this off…he is back in raider graces…or maybe it was/is all mark?
December 4th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
if reggie can pull this off…he is back in raider graces…or maybe it was/is all mark?
———————–
See, I don’t understand that. How is he out of Raider graces?
Has any GM in recent memory–or ever–begun his tenure in a bigger mess than McKenzie?
I can’t understand how people are so down on RM already. It’s so irrational it’s comical.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Gruden and Gannon????
LMFAO
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Too much like right.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Gruden would give us a much-needed jolt, in public perception and throughout the media.
We will probably double our number of prime team games, there would be a freshness to the whole thing.
But let’s not act like Gruden rode off into the sunset a winner, dominating the NFL and leaving on his own terms.
His first year they won it all, then he went 6 years without a playoff win, finished under .500 in half those seasons (including a 5-11 and 4-12 year), lost 4 in a row to end his last season and got canned.
If brought in, he and us, would still have a ton of hard-work ahead.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
because…3-13 svcks aszs
December 4th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
This would be all Mark, in my opinion. Reggie may or may not be OK riding shotgun, but this has got to be all Mark driving this wagon.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Marcel Reece, is hobbled by hamstring and quadriceps injuries
***
tough break. the guy is having his best season and gets jacked up less than 5 games into his opportunity
sounds like McFadden, Goodson, Jones, etc
haha
fire Kelly Skipper!!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
I’m not sure I see Gannon coming back. I get the sense that people around him thought he was kinduva dik.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
The Raiders filled the vacancy on their 53-man roster by signing fullback/running back Jamize Olawale from the Dallas Cowboys practice squad.
Olawale takes the place of suspended middle linebacker Rolando McClain, who is out until Dec. 10, at the least.
***
Raiders 30
horse humpers 17
December 4th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
i agree chris…dont think reggie has it in him…
December 4th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
MAYBE,JUST MAYBE D.A. HAS TOLD THE ORGANISATION HE HAS LOST THE DESIRE,EVEN IF ITS JUST FOR NOW WITH HIS FAMILY ISSUES..
December 4th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Mark is definitely behind this no doubt. What owner sits down with a HC for 4 hours on the plane ride back from an ugly loss midway through the season unless he is thinking about making a move.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Defensive tackle Richard Seymour (hamstring) is not practicing once again, and it appears as if he is about to miss his fifth straight game.
***
big dick is a warrior like Brett Favre!!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Oh, I didn’t realize that this story was floated by such a rock solid source as The Great Hub Arkush. I stand corrected! Hehe, suckers.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Priest,..due to your pissing all over this exciting Gruden news,..you are once again banned from calling KNBR. You blew it dude. Its over. I called Gary myself,..he agreed.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
dont really care if DA said that as long as he is outta here…
December 4th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Well lets hope DMC plays and Knapp gives DMC as many carries as possible and touches, especially in the red zone so he can score TD’s and hopefully increase his trade value.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
because…3-13 svcks aszs
—————————
Agreed. But if you were expecting a playoff run, then you were expecting a miracle.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
As far as whoever axing me about does Allens dad have any bearing on what Marks doing,..of course not,…DA is done after the Charger loss and thats that,…DA wants out and will go work as an asst again somewhere. Glad I could help.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Priest,..due to your pissing all over this exciting Gruden news,..you are once again banned from calling KNBR. You blew it dude. Its over. I called Gary myself,..he agreed.
^^^^^^^^^
FYI….Radnich is a blow hard and KNBR is terrible and unlistenable.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Priestj12,
That’s a valid point and a valid concern. But two things:
1. Gruden wasn’t out of the game nearly as long as Gibbs and Gruden has stayed closely involved while Gibbs was off doing his NASCAR thing.
2. I think it would be such a jolt of excitement and momentum around the Raiders that the players and those involved couldn’t help but get swept up in it. If we could just capitalize on that momentum with some early wins, it may be all we need to turn the tide.
****************************************
Guys you are missing my point, Gruden could take this same roster and win 9-10 games with. I really believe that and he would inspire the Raider Nation to no ends that goes without question as well. I’m saying we will be going backwards instead of forwards. If you think he will win a SB or get this org. to the top you’re dreaming it will be a initial huge jump until the players get tired of his act. Then you’ll see why it was a waste of time.
You could get the same thing with a young David Shaw and have the next 10 years with a few SB trophies sprinkled in. Gruden will not bring that here just a bunch euphoria and then nothing to ultimately show for it.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
I will be booing DMC all game long Thursday night from my row 1 seats,..well, at least while hes still in the game,..around mid second quarter. Hes a female dog that Gruden will take pleasure in canning.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Trade D-Mac and our 2014 1st rounder to the Lions for Suh.
You think they would go for it? Word is they are souring on him and all the negative publicity.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22112012/poole-oakland-raiders-nothing-much-left-see-here
And once again Monte is right on the money!
He has been fire when it comes to his assessments and articles on this pathetic Raider team.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Radnich should be fired on air. And every time he tries to speak, someone needs to keep cutting him off.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Dknight,..fyi,..I dont give a F about your opinion.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Monte Poole is a bich. Fake college degree,..illiterate…complete loser. Biggest piece of crap in the bay area.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
why shouldnt this team have been in the playoffs this year? they were one game away last year….then Reggie mcdvmbasz started to change the roster…
December 4th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Seymour,
and if Reggie was out? so what?
==========================================
Again, when McKenzie took over he was a $30mm over the cap. What that means is we are NOT last years 8-8 team. Dudes had to go. McKenzie made a lot of tough choices, but he did the right thing which was pare as much of the dead wood out of here as he could, as quickly as he could.
The problem is you now see a team with no players, no depth, no anything which is what Davis left us with. We all knew this day was coming. And guess what, that is going to continue next year as well. Bill Polian, Ted Thompson, and Trent Baalke could all come here, donate their time and it would STILL be a disaster. That’s the fact.
Now, once again, we can all throw fits and stomp and want to fire everyone, but I don’t see that as being overly productive and I’m really don’t see Ozzie Newsome coming out west to help out. Other than whining and crying, does someone have a better suggestion than having guys who have had alot of success in this league try for more than 10 weeks to get us out of this?
_______________________________________________________
wise words Seymour Bush..
and thats the cast Dennis Allen is given, McKinzie cant make miracles ergo Dennis Allen cant either.
Im still totally behind Dennis Allen, and I doubt there are any truth to the gruden-story – if there were we would be in the same disarray as we were the last Al Davis decade…
we need calmness, restructure the cast and that will result in some bad plays, i never expected us with more than 6 wins, but im sure we will be strong contenders for the division next season with a full strong draft.
I dont get the hate for Dennis Allen, what I get is the hate for Knapp, him we need to lose for the 2013season…
December 4th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Like I said, they need a Coach with Gravitas, who can lead men and steer the ship in the right direction.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
on tv thursday. Don’t know how they did it, but good.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
If Gruden comes back, then you can bet your azzes that Palmer is staying as well.
No way Gruden comes back with no experienced QB on hand.
Then him and McK can draft a young QB in Round 4 or 5 or just sign a young backup in the league with some upside to learn behind Palmer.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
they were one game away last year….
***********************
While true, only because the west was so weak last year.
We were out of contention for the wild card about this time last year, and 8-8 would do nothing for the playoffs this year, heck 9-7 wouldn’t and 10-6 is no guarantee in the AFC.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Like I said, they need a Coach with Gravitas, who can lead men and steer the ship in the right direction.
^^^^^^^^^
I have been saying that buddy!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Post 136 mistick owns seymour bush!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
My heart breaks for Allen that he has to hear this s as he sits at his dads funeral
December 4th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
And it is s.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Dknight,..fyi,..I dont give a F about your opinion.
^^^^^^^^
Now worries….the feeling mutual sucka! Trust me on that!
Just like the rest of tools in here. lol
December 4th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Oh really?…is it really on tv?…wow!!!!!…since 1995 Iv yet to see a Raider home game from my tv set. You F`rs need to make it out the house once in a while.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
307 great postin by u both
December 4th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Dennis Allen inherited a 16-16 team with the addition of the best QB by far we’ve had in a decade.
Tell me again why playoffs were such a ridiculous fantasy?
Some of you Reggie / DA / Stability rules guys are looking at this thing through the lens of what it’s become and not through the lens of what it was before these guys got here.
If Hue were coaching we’d be in contention right now and Thursday’s game would actually mean something.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Radnich should be fired on air. And every time he tries to speak, someone needs to keep cutting him off.
^^^^^^^^^
Radnich is garbage….just like KNBR has been garbage for the last 20 years!
I don’t think I have listened to KNBR in about 3 years!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Raider Guy Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
My heart breaks for Allen that he has to hear this s as he sits at his dads funeral
————————–
Yeah, that’s pretty rough.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Seymour,
and if Reggie was out? so what?
==========================================
Again, when McKenzie took over he was a $30mm over the cap. What that means is we are NOT last years 8-8 team. Dudes had to go. McKenzie made a lot of tough choices, but he did the right thing which was pare as much of the dead wood out of here as he could, as quickly as he could.
The problem is you now see a team with no players, no depth, no anything which is what Davis left us with. We all knew this day was coming. And guess what, that is going to continue next year as well. Bill Polian, Ted Thompson, and Trent Baalke could all come here, donate their time and it would STILL be a disaster. That’s the fact.
Now, once again, we can all throw fits and stomp and want to fire everyone, but I don’t see that as being overly productive and I’m really don’t see Ozzie Newsome coming out west to help out. Other than whining and crying, does someone have a better suggestion than having guys who have had alot of success in this league try for more than 10 weeks to get us out of this?
_______________________________________________________
wise words Seymour Bush..
and thats the cast Dennis Allen is given, McKinzie cant make miracles ergo Dennis Allen cant either.
Im still totally behind Dennis Allen, and I doubt there are any truth to the gruden-story – if there were we would be in the same disarray as we were the last Al Davis decade…
we need calmness, restructure the cast and that will result in some bad plays, i never expected us with more than 6 wins, but im sure we will be strong contenders for the division next season with a full strong draft.
I dont get the hate for Dennis Allen, what I get is the hate for Knapp, him we need to lose for the 2013season…
———
I agree as well, DA was put in a rough spot. I have nothing against the guy. Also like seeing him bench players for poor play and throwing morons (Suspendo) out of practice. When’s the last time that happened? I’ve always said DA needs time.
On the flip side, I’ve always said Gruden is never coming back. But Wouldn’t be against the idea if the rumors are true. I would send a jolt through the org and speed up the process.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Priest,..due to your pissing all over this exciting Gruden news,..you are once again banned from calling KNBR. You blew it dude. Its over. I called Gary myself,..he agreed.
********************************
Thank you again!!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
If Gruden comes back, then you can bet your azzes that Palmer is staying as well.
No way Gruden comes back with no experienced QB on hand.
Then him and McK can draft a young QB in Round 4 or 5 or just sign a young backup in the league with some upside to learn behind Palmer.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
why shouldnt this team have been in the playoffs this year? they were one game away last year….then Reggie mcdvmbasz started to change the roster…
————————————–
First of all, it’s misleading to compare one season to another. Circumstances change for us, as well as our opponents. Secondly, Reggie didn’t “let” anyone of value leave. If he had the resources we may still have, at least, Wimbley and Michael Bush. His hand was forced on many personnel decisions. Lastly, in the end we were dumped by Tebow–a bad QB. When you saw that Denver signed Peyton Manning did you think it was going to get easier?
December 4th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Raider( since 1967)
★★★★★★★
CORK -TELL ME THIS IS A DREAM! PLEASE IT CAN’T BE TRUE.!!!
JUST woke up after dinner and read the info on the rumors of Gruden. I am trembling, and just thinking about it and MARK and REGGIE and part partnership and all.
I think I’ll get a stroke and die. I’ve waited for 10 years for this
news. If MARK AND REGGIE PULL THIS ONE OFF, I CAN DIE IN
PEACE. Told my son to prepare my burial plot with RAIDERS EMBLEMS AND BLACK AND SILVER FLOWERS!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Raider Guy.
I agree. It is kind of sad. What can you do though. If this was going to happen anyway, maybe now is better than later for DA since you prob have better perspective on life at a time like this, you’d hope.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
POST-320=TRUTH..
December 4th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
gruden and palmer would be devastating…donkeys would have competition next year…
December 4th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Chris in ny. I disagree. Those last six games or so last year were pretty bad. Plus we were 30 mil over the cap. I don’t think hue could have done it on his own. Maybe…I just have a hard time seeing it. If he was so good why not a bigger position on a coaching staff after he left?
December 4th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Good grief. Allen’s father passes away, he looks up at the tv and it’s all reports of Gruden coming back to Oakland. The more things change in Oakland the more they stay the same.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
I think Palmer will be here in 2013 anyway…..gonna have to have someone till they have a Qb to groom…. Even if it is Pryor … Whoever ..he’s signed , I believe till 2016 ..
December 4th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Getting Gruden to come back would be a great business and football decision by Mark Davis.
You would think in that sense he is smarter than old Al, when it comes to realizing getting rid of Gruden was probably one of the worst football decisions his father ever made in Raiders history.
Passion and excitement would come back to Raider Nation with the return of “Chuckie” and season ticket sales would shoot thru the freakin roof without a doubt!
December 4th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
ESE….all you need to see is 3-13…if you font believe that then…how many blowout losses? are you telling me that with “no value guys” gone we svck this bad? if so, then DA is a horrible coach and reggie is incompetent…
December 4th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Good grief. Allen’s father passes away, he looks up at the tv and it’s all reports of Gruden coming back to Oakland. The more things change in Oakland the more they stay the same.
—
I thought you loved Gruden?
At any rate it might turn out to be all b.s.
The guy that is “breaking” this though is a respected nfl “insider” but it doesn’t mean it’s true.
I admit, the whole thing just seems weird.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I don’t think Gruden’s going to be able to do anything with this team. Honestly, I think he had a better team in Tampa that he couldn’t get off the ground. He too will have to rebuild, and he likes to rebuild with veterans. But just the sound of Gruden coming back is too good to be true. He certainly will be animated and won’t just let the team lose quietly, that’s for sure. He’s a motivator. Can’t believe I’m actually seeing these headlines.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
If Hue were coaching we’d be in contention right now and Thursday’s game would actually mean something.
***
Says the blog’s biggest Hue homer. nobody in here knows that we wouldn’t have 3 wins or less with that clown as HC
it’s a new year and a different team. get on with your life dude
Focus on what we should do next, not what could have been.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Johnny, I loved Gruden when Al was here, because we needed someone like Gruden then.
I’ve always wanted a GM-run team. I’d rather have players good enough to coach themselves, with a HC that just puts them into a position to win. With Al running things, you know you’re not getting the players. So you need a motivator like Gruden.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
i know…3 wins is easy…unless your DA.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Yep… This team needs a ton of new faces no matter who the coach is….. Reggie signed a lot of 1 year contracts … Even With Gruden the teams a few years out …IMO
December 4th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
which one of you dopes floated this rumor ??
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/04/report-jon-gruden-talking-to-the-raiders-about-a-return/
December 4th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
We won’t be left hanging on this story though.
Just like with the Gruden to UT rumors, Grudens camp had to come out and deny the reports; imo it was because there were so many stories out there that ESPN probably asked him what the heck is going on with all this talk of u having a contract in hand to coach Tennessee?
This one is strong enough to merit a response at the very least and we won’t have to wait long for it…
December 4th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
341.. Lol
December 4th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Boy, is everyone looking for a change or what? Everyone wants this coaching staff gone. We’ll hang our hopes on anything. At this juncture its “Gruden to return to Oakland” …hope springs eternal.
FIRE DA, KNAPP, OL COACHES AND REGGIE IF YOU HAVE TO. I MEAN FIRE THEM ALL! This is one of the worst coaching staffs I have ever seen. And they have some monster sized egos.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
And here’s something to consider:
I’m assuming if Gruden comes, Reggie’s out. Because I can’t imagine Gruden working for a hands-on GM. Gruden left here in the first place because he wanted more control. So, if Reggie were to be out, that means Mark Davis gave McKenzie all of about 10 months before he gave up on him and threw him to the wolves. Should we expect him to be any more patient with Gruden? Man, was I naive about Mark. This apple did not fall far from the tree, after all.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
which one of you dopes floated this rumor ??
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/04/report-jon-gruden-talking-to-the-raiders-about-a-return/
—
It started yesterday with a story in PFW and gained momentum when Hub Arkush “broke” the story tonight on the radio in Chicago.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Guy, we’ll see where Hue winds up. Part of the problem was not many chairs were really open at the time. Another is the fear a HC has that Hue will outshine him.
But I think with seeing how Marvin Lewis went out of his way to welcome Hue back and seeing how bad the Raiders were before he arrived and how badly they regressed immediately after his firing, I think those fears will fade and Hue will get a much bigger job real soon. Already interviewed for the Cal HC job, according to several reports, and I think at minimum he’ll be an OC real soon.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
ESE….all you need to see is 3-13…if you font believe that then…how many blowout losses? are you telling me that with “no value guys” gone we svck this bad? if so, then DA is a horrible coach and reggie is incompetent…
————————
Our defense sucked terribly last year too, we just scored more. There’s no way, even if we had the exact same roster that we are serious contenders. Look around at the elite defenses, look at their components and then compare to what we field. It’s not even comparable. Defense has been our main problem for a decade now. McKenzie can’t fix it if he has no draft picks and no money. So lay blame where it should be, with these players. They are not capable of NFL level competence.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Raider( since1967)
★★★★★★★
” IS IT REAL DAMMIT” I WILL JUMP OF A CLIFT.
CAN’T BE? DUDE I WILL NEVER BELIEVE IT.
REGGIE & MARK AND GRUDEN– GIVE HIM ALL THE RAIDERETTES ! STEAK & LOBSTER MEAL AND $ 5 MIL
December 4th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Really, if Mark were to hire Gruden, he should hire Bruce too. If we’re going to party like it’s 1999 again let’s do it right and bring as much of the system back as possible. Willie Shaw as DC.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
I’d like to know where Hub Arkush is getting this info from.
He’s a legit, credentialed NFL insider so there has to be SOMETHING outside of seeing Gruden light the Al Davis torch of love a couple weeks back and donning a Raider cap.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
ESE….all you need to see is 3-13…if you font believe that then…how many blowout losses? are you telling me that with “no value guys” gone we svck this bad? if so, then DA is a horrible coach and reggie is incompetent…
—————————
One more point.
I never said we didn’t lose valuable players. I said McKenzie didn’t LET them leave. He had no choice.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
@VicTafur
If Pro Football Weekly really believed it’s Raiders reach out to Gruden “rumor” wouldn’t it be one of 25 stories on the website homepage?
December 4th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Joey Clinkscales has a “prominent role” in the org. as Dir. of Player Personnel.
Could it be they are looking at Gruden for that,and if so why would Gruden want that gig?
December 4th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Arkush said “this is gonna break in a couple of hours but I may as well say it now…” and then proceeded to make the announcement.
Maybe he realized he jumped the gun and is pulling back now.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
RRS, it’s a known fact that Florio reads this blog!
Who knows…he probably posts on here too!
December 4th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Florio is fangsraider.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Jon Gruden is a veterans guy and he collects QB’s like pocket watches
we would not be building for the future. we’d be trying to win now every year with free agents from other teams. over the hill vets trying to make 1 last run
December 4th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Anyone think Gruden (if he returns) would have any interest in trafing for and developing Matt Flynn…if we were to head in another direction at QB?
Just a thought.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
345.Sullivan44 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
And here’s something to consider:
I’m assuming if Gruden comes, Reggie’s out. Because I can’t imagine Gruden working for a hands-on GM. Gruden left here in the first place because he wanted more control. So, if Reggie were to be out, that means Mark Davis gave McKenzie all of about 10 months before he gave up on him and threw him to the wolves. Should we expect him to be any more patient with Gruden? Man, was I naive about Mark. This apple did not fall far from the tree, after all.
********************************************************
This is the thing we should all be the most afraid of. Mark Davis knows nothing about football and has admitted as much publicly.
If he starts going all knee-jerk like the old man used to, we are in very serious trouble.
December 4th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Gruden worked with Bruce Allen, who was a hands-on GM, both here and in Tampa Bay.
Agreed though that if Reggie is replaced without getting the CHANCE to do his thing (set up better scouts, not make bad trades, not blow 1st and 2nd round picks) that would be a bad omen for future ability to see long-term.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Gruden would be a *perfect* match for a vet QB like Carson Palmer – bring in a vet #1 WR (ala Jerry Rice, Tim Brown), use DMC properly (like Charlie Garner) – would have the offense clicking – draft some young talent mix with some vets on defense and the team could have a similar turn around as his first tenure. Unfortunately, this is prob nothing but a rumor – Gruden will publicly deny tomorrow. I hope I’m wrong.
In any case, DA and his jerkoff staff needs to go, they are horrible and the nation and players need something to believe in moving forward. If we can’t get Gruden, bring in somebody with experience and a reputation that demands respect.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
boss01 Says:
December 4th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Anyone remember when the Raiders where the #1 rushing team in the NFL under Gruden? They rushed for over 2000 yards in 2000 with Tyrone Wheatley and Nap Kaufman. Those were the good ole days. Needless to say though that O-line had some studs.
====
Gruden had Bill Callahan as OL coach, where he worked wonders. He made those studs. Hell, he made Sims a legit starting LT. Gannon enjoyed Brady-like protection and they had a dominant running game.
When Callahan was promoted to OC he was still involved with the OL, but not to the extent he was able to be as the OL coach. That year the running game started to roll downhill.
When Callahan become HC, he was that much further away from his area of specialty and essentially the same OL personnel started looking more and more average.
I liked what Gruden brought in terms of fire and a front man for the team. His genius was to build a system that a very intelligent veteran like Gannon could run that maximized the impact of his mental game to stay one step ahead of the defense and hid the weakness of his arm. But that was predicated on having excellent blocking. That ultimately made Callahan the real secret to his success on O.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
One greater than he shall come!
THE MASIAH IS COMING SOON ”
OAKLAND must greet him with open arms!
ALELLUHIA!
December 5th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Raider Prediction Board
Dedicated to Al Davis, Raider duct tape (boy does it hold) and the Coliseum rodents
Week 1: Alex7: Chargers 27 Raiders 20 (22/14)
Week 2: R8eray: Dolphins 20 Raiders 13 (35/13)
Week 3: Plunketthead Raiders 30 Steelers 27 (34/31) R
Week 4: Amysincharge: Denver 48-7 (37-6)
Week 5: Klas Tjorborn: Falcons 35 Raiders 20 (23/20)
Week 6: qodrn: Raiders 27 Jags 20 (26/23 OT) R
Week 7: raidermarty/VaRaiderNation Raiders 27 –
Chiefs 17 (26/16) R
Week 8: No Winner.
Week 9: JONGRUDEN2012: Baltimore 47 Oakland 13
Week 10: GG: Saints 45 Raiders 17
Week 11: To be reconstructed when I feel better
Week 12: backstageatapupptshow: Cleveland 27 Oakland 13 – reverse winner – Albert B. Paine 20/17
qodrn: Raiders 24 Denver 23 (if Seymore replacement punches out Manning)
RaiderRockstar: Raiders 30 horse humpers 17
April 10th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
2013 at 4:47 am…
Raiders geared up for Colts, er, Broncos – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group…