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By Jon Becker
Wednesday, December 5th, 2012 at 6:48 pm in Oakland Raiders.
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December 5th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
1st!!
December 5th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
2 legit to quit!
December 5th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
jack chrissy janet..threes company
December 5th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Last Live Chat I looked at Tim Kawakami did nothing but post comments about the Whiners and giants-no thanks.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
And who called me old man?
Kell is an old man.
Lefty is an old man.
Preist is an old man.
I’m in my prime.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
my DAD died a year and a half ago
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I remember man.
The timimg of this sucks for DA and his family. Agree 100%.
I doubt it was intentional.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Fire DA!
December 5th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
For the record, I dont believe or disbelieve Gruden is coming back in any capacity. And we can all make arguments both ways for why it would be great/not so great. All that said, I know Im not the only person that found the tone of Zak Gilbert’s e-mail very odd/cryptic. Im not trying to read too much into anything. Hey, maybe thats just Gilbert’s style of writing for all I know. Im just saying that when I read it, and as I continue to read it, it just gives me a weird feeling, a hint of dishonesty. As to what? I have no clue. Thats just a weird ass e-mail to me.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Last Live Chat I looked at Tim Kawakami did nothing but post comments about the Whiners and giants-no thanks.
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Oh yeah, because you’re soo active in the chats?
You’re an observer, Lefty. Nothing more. Nothing less. Noone knows when you arrive. No one notices when you leave.
Middle of the road is the safe way.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
wasnt there something about gruden being hired by raiders being all rumors the first time around as well?…
December 5th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
The damage has been done. By now most of Raider nation knows about the Gruden “rumors”. Gruden or no Gruden DA is DONE.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
No matter what, to me, it doesnt look like Dennis Allen is going to be anywhere close to being an Oakland Raider head coach next season.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Bronco’s 38
Raiders 12
DA still the coach
Reg still the GM.
Mark still with the retard haircut.
and on, and on, and on.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RaidO Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
The damage has been done. By now most of Raider nation knows about the Gruden “rumors”. Gruden or no Gruden DA is DONE.
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100%
December 5th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
if DA is back i wont be renewing my season tix…
December 5th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Canadianraider Says:
wasnt there something about gruden being hired by raiders being all rumors the first time around as well?…
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Everything was always a rumor under the previous regime.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
RaidO Says:
December 5h, 2012 at 6:56 pm
The damage has been done. By now most of Raider nation knows about the Gruden “rumors”. Gruden or no Gruden DA is DONE.
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Reggie hired DA.
Reggie will not fire his first hire after the first year.
Won’t happen. Ever.
My guess is DA will be fired next year, week 7, when the team is 1-6.
Write it down.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
if DA is back i wont be renewing my season tix…
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One step closer to Los Angeles Raiders.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
RaidO Says:
December 5h, 2012 at 6:56 pm
The damage has been done. By now most of Raider nation knows about the Gruden “rumors”. Gruden or no Gruden DA is DONE.
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Reggie hired DA.
Reggie will not fire his first hire after the first year.
Won’t happen. Ever.
My guess is DA will be fired next year, week 7, when the team is 1-6.
Write it down.
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DA lost the players and now the fans. He is done.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
great…six more losses.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
if DA is back i wont be renewing my season fix…
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as you shouldn’t
December 5th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
if DA is gone and they go to LA, i will buy them again.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
RaidO Says:
December 5h, 2012 at 6:56 pm
The damage has been done. By now most of Raider nation knows about the Gruden “rumors”. Gruden or no Gruden DA is DONE.
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Reggie hired DA.
Reggie will not fire his first hire after the first year.
Won’t happen. Ever.
My guess is DA will be fired next year, week 7, when the team is 1-6.
Write it down.
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That’s smart thinking MaddenRaider…NOT!
December 5th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
the way i look at it…DA wasnt reggies first choice for head coach anyway..i do agree that the timing of all this doesnt sit well…and to be honest..why would DA be fired at this point in the season anyway…if gruden comes back it will be right after the year is over..and maybe..just maybe!….reggie mark and john already have an agreement..gruden is a class A guy and he probably feels like a piece of u know what knowing that it got leaked out the same time DA is going through these hard times…u dont kick a guy while he is down …and reggie mark and gruden know that….but thats only if the rumors are true
December 5th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
if DA is back i wont be renewing my season tix…
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You’re a sick fuk, so who cares?
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
DA is already gone…or did you not read the latest? He quit on the team he is in dallas…
December 5th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
J Hill,I believe the timing was intentional.Here is a HC who goes home to be with his ailing father who might be near the end and these ‘rumors’ surface because DA left the team.Those that are spreading these rumors could have waited until next week.What harm would that have been.This is just some scumbag reporter trying to ’scoop’ everyone.I guess it is the world we live in.Thankfully,as MR says,I am old.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
if DA is back i wont be renewing my season tix…
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You don’t have them anyway.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
waah sully is mad waaah…
December 5th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
lefty is holding his tissue…
December 5th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Nice pickup with our 1st rd pick.
Couple decent FA pickups on D and OL.
Couple of asst coach upgrades.
Kool Aid will be flowing again this offseason, and the place will be packed.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
J Hill,I believe the timing was intentional.Here is a HC who goes home to be with his ailing father who might be near the end and these ‘rumors’ surface because DA left the team.Those that are spreading these rumors could have waited until next week.What harm would that have been.This is just some scumbag reporter trying to ’scoop’ everyone.I guess it is the world we live in.Thankfully,as MR says,I am old.
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The rumors started before DA took a “leave of absence”. They started when Gruden was in Oakland to light the torch. Apparently Mark had “a” or some meetings with Gruden. Throw in the Reggie/Gruden Green Bay connection and there you go.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Scoop???
Probably so. Nature of that business.
But didn’t this come out BEFORE Sunday?
December 5th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
This whole Gruden BS is a scam.
You guys need to let it go.
I’ll be watching DA become the next Jon Gruden.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Gruden would have been great for overall morale and not to mention ticket sales, but in the long run it would have been an awful move. This football team played a close game with Atlanta, maybe the best team in the league, then won the following 2. They tanked when McFadden went down. Weirdly enough, like in recent years, we’ve abandoned the run and become pass heavy. This is probably indicative that it’s Knapp who needs to go. I stood up for him earlier but now he’s giving reason to even his supporters for getting rid of him. An offensive coordinator that doesn’t give up on the run so easily and some depth in the skills positions (perhaps even a new starting HB?) has this team competitive, and these moves can be made in one off season. I have faith in McKenzie/Allen. They’re going to get it done. Not much faith in Knapp anymore. And, btw, I agree with the Raiders for being angry at the reporter who leaked this. We talked about that yesterday. Allen had to deal with this while dealing with his father’s death. Karma’s a b….
December 5th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
manassamauler Says: What’s old and what’s prime?
December 5th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
This whole Gruden BS is a scam.
You guys need to let it go.
I’ll be watching DA become the next Jon Gruden.
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LMAO! Yes they have such similar characteristics. Mainly, their ability to have their teams ready to play.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Go warriors! Anybody else watch the game? You guys see the stands in Detroit? It looked like the zombie apocalypse hit that place, straight ghost town… that’s what our stands will look like if mark brings DA back.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
This whole Gruden BS is a scam.
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Yeah i tend to think that to but NOBODY has came out to deny the “Rumors” yet. I thought you would here somebody today end them. Nothing
December 5th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
I’ll be watching DA become the next Jon Gruden.
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Let’s hope so! I swear some of these guys really want DA to fail. It’s like some personal agenda.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Some of you are gluttons for punishment. Same old Al Davis mentality….give a coach one season to fix the most disfunctional team in sports and then fire him. Brilliant.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
LMAO! Yes they have such similar characteristics. Mainly, their ability to have their teams ready to play.
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Exactly, see you’re getting it.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaidO Says:
Yeah i tend to think that to but NOBODY has came out to deny the “Rumors” yet. I thought you would here somebody today end them. Nothing
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You apparently missed the previous blog post. The two highest ranking people in the Raiders organization have denied it:
“owner Mark Davis and general manager Reggie McKenzie, wanted me to communicate that this rumor has no validity whatsoever”
December 5th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
FIREREGGIENOW!
December 5th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Too bad the rumors are not true, but I agree about the timing of it. It would have been a classless act from the Raidets to start talks with a potential HC while our HC is home grieving.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
If you here the “Rumor” talk on NFL network during the pregame Thursday then there may be some truth to these “Rumors”
December 5th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
if DA is back i wont be renewing my season tix…
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I don’t think too many ppl will
December 5th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Yeah i tend to think that to but NOBODY has came out to deny the “Rumors” yet. I thought you would here somebody today end them. Nothing
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Raido, go back one post. The Raiders organization denied it.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
manassamauler Says: What’s old and what’s prime?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Llama man,
You are Old!! Get over it! lol
December 5th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
So much firing needs to go on in Oakland …there’s already smoke in the building
December 5th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Yeah i tend to think that to but NOBODY has came out to deny the “Rumors” yet. I thought you would here somebody today end them. Nothing
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Raido, go back one post. The Raiders organization denied it.
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Yeah i just saw that.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
http://youtu.be/d6CS_5Wx6Gg
Jon Gruden in rare form with the raiders
December 5th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Meant Us Raider fans have gotten used 2 succky Raiders teams/ losing seasons so much we forgot what actual real winning football looks like
and who actually brought it here.
Wait no lets build off 3-9!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
I’m just mad at everyone now. Mark Davis totally fuk’d up when he let Hue leave the building. It was a gawd awful move and set us back to what we are witnessing now = new lows.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
These local writers are not even real raider fans.. they will do anything to crush a rumor where the Raiders might actually get better.
They dont care.. they want the raiders to stay at the level they are at. They are so gooogoo gagga over harbaugh.
Guess what. Gruden comes back to the bay… he will be bigger then HARBAUGH
December 5th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
Raido, go back one post. The Raiders organization denied it.
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Right now, the Grudenites are looking up various definitions of “validity” to see if it leaves open any possibilities.
“It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.”
December 5th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
I’ll be watching DA become the next Jon Gruden.
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Let’s hope so! I swear some of these guys really want DA to fail. It’s like some personal agenda.
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Well, you can sit and stare at your late 1980s Honda and wish as hard as you can, but it ain’t ever turning into a BMW no matter how long you wait.
I wanted nothing more than for him to succeed. The reality is he managed to make this team worse in all areas. He is a failure. Maybe he was sunk be his coordinator choices, maybe not, but it is crystal clear that he is not the man for the job.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Now all you guys know what HUE JACKSON was going through
NFL = NOT FOR LONG…. where was hue jackson sympathy?? he knew a GM was coming.. he still coached his azz off tho
If you are rookie HC you are always on the hot seat till u hear otherwise.
STEVE SPAGS was on the hotseat
Redskins rookie coach JIM ZORN was on the hotseat till Redskins tossed him for Mike Shannehan
Mike Singletary had a vote of confidence the season before he was canned for Jim Harbaugh
December 5th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
PS: Please keep DA and his coaching goons hands off Pryor. Don’t fk this kid up like you did the rest of the team.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
These local writers are not even real raider fans.. they will do anything to crush a rumor where the Raiders might actually get better.
They dont care.. they want the raiders to stay at the level they are at. They are so gooogoo gagga over harbaugh.
Guess what. Gruden comes back to the bay… he will be bigger then HARBAUGH
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I think that you are really John Herrera.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Sadly, if I had to lay money on it, I’d say Sullivan probably has this situation nailed at No. 17.
It is possible the Gruden thing is still in the works and hat Mark just felt bad about the timing here and wanted to give DA some room to breathe. But the denial does make the whole thing sound less plausible … for now …
December 5th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
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I think that you are really John Herrera.
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I might be his nephew
December 5th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
I guess the chokey rumor needed to be squashed, as I told you yesterday, there was no way that he would ever return to coach the Raiders.
Now, the second one, Pryor getting a start or any play at all, can also be put to rest. Activating Pryor has more to do with business than actually looking for him to the future. The way I read the ZarMac’s idea of an NFL team, he has no interest in Pryor, which I believe is a major shame for ZarMac. We’re stuck with Carcux for as long as he’s still standing up.
We now know this is all about the ZarMac’s power grab, it’s his team to make or ruin, and Junior is his pet project no way he’s going to let him go, even if the Raiders don’t win another game.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Sadly, if I had to lay money on it, I’d say Sullivan probably has this situation nailed at No. 17.
It is possible the Gruden thing is still in the works and hat Mark just felt bad about the timing here and wanted to give DA some room to breathe. But the denial does make the whole thing sound less plausible … for now …
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True, bad timing. They would never admit it though. At least not until DA is gone.(FIRED)
December 5th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
http://youtu.be/1V0X6Uo3Zpk
Check out Gruden get the Raider ice bath.. Stadium packed.. Raiders winning AFC west title.
Look at what the commentators are saying… HMMMM
December 5th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
I’m thinking this whole Gruden rumor was masterminded by Amy Trask to sell tickets for the remainder of the season.
Amy, Mark and Reg are LTFAO right now.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
I fully expect the Raiders to end up seeing Brock Osweiler tomorrow by the end of the game. Ive accepted that @ss whoopin is coming. But if we get carved up by Brady Quinn next week, both Tarver and DA need to turn in their visors immediately. I dont want to see Louis Murphy have his career best game against us either the week after that. And if Norv Turner goes out in style against us, even knowing hes fired as soon as the game ends, this entire staff needs to be erased from Raider history. Those are all winnable games. Theres no reason why we have to wait until next season to see a small piece of improvement. At least show some pride and look competitive. Im tired of watching this team play like sh!t every single week. Ive seen semi pro teams more competitive and exciting than this teams been to watch. And I dont buy the talent excuse. This is the NFL. Every team has scrubs and every team has good players. Carson Palmer is NOT a bad QB, no matter what anyone wants to say. Carson Palmer can and knows how to play football, and at a very high level. The same goes for Darren McFadden. That man is one of the hardest running RBs of this era, until all of the sudden. The line played like trash practically all season. But Im not buying that Jared Veldheer cant play. You cant tell me Wiz cant play football. This is all nonsense. Yes, we have scrubs, but we have guys that can play football, and it should at least balance out, like last season. Tommy Kelly, Lamar Houston, Matt Shaugnessy, Ive seen all these men play football at a high level at some point. Same goes for Tyvon Branch. That man showed me potential the last two seasons, albeit with mistakes, but nothing indicated he would look how hes looked this season. Hes looked like trash. D-Moore goes from D-WOW to unenthused in running routes. Somethings not joshin to me. Marcel Reece can play football. David Ausberry can play football. Brandon Myers can play football. Phillip Wheeler can play football. These men are not untalented players. That talent excuse can only go so far. You still have to send your team out their to play FOOTBALL. I dont know what the hell this team has been playing this year. A bad game of Madden is what it looks like every week.
I need to see something, as a Raiders fan, from DA in these last 4 weeks, in terms of signs of improvement. This is beyond ridiculous how bad this team looks as a unit. Embarrassing. We truly have been the worst team in the league this season, and you can only blame the talent so much.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I’m not all about Gruden as much as I’m for almost anyone except DA. Just look at the performane this past year. This guy stubbornly stuck with Gregg Knapp despite all evidence that this guy ruined the offense. He refused to make a move. You have Al Saunders right there. DA = stubborn fool.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
I am with you Terp.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Zopi Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
I guess the chokey rumor needed to be squashed, as I told you yesterday, there was no way that he would ever return to coach the Raiders.
Now, the second one, Pryor getting a start or any play at all, can also be put to rest. Activating Pryor has more to do with business than actually looking for him to the future. The way I read the ZarMac’s idea of an NFL team, he has no interest in Pryor, which I believe is a major shame for ZarMac. We’re stuck with Carcux for as long as he’s still standing up.
We now know this is all about the ZarMac’s power grab, it’s his team to make or ruin, and Junior is his pet project no way he’s going to let him go, even if the Raiders don’t win another game.
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The season is over.
This is the time you ‘evaluate” your young QB. Kind of like the Jets are doing with McElroy and the Eagles with Foles.
It just shows how bad a coach DA is. TP should have been active and in some sort of Offensive package on week one.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
I actually think John fox is gonna take it easy on DA especially cuz his job is in question.. he might even throw the game or make it in his favor
December 5th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Winning ANY games at this point hurts us. Lose them all for crying out loud. DA might be told this, maybe he’s just following orders.
Draft picks would be golden.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I’m not all about Gruden as much as I’m for almost anyone except DA. Just look at the performane this past year. This guy stubbornly stuck with Gregg Knapp despite all evidence that this guy ruined the offense. He refused to make a move. You have Al Saunders right there. DA = stubborn fool.
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But, you have to go back to the Mckenzie Q&A. He said he wouldn’t fire anyone during the season. Now I’m not so sure if Allen is able to do anything different.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
It is a disaster though, man. We could very, very easily be 1-11 right now. Jacksonville handled us most of that game at home and we needed a late rally to tie with a fumble recovery in OT getting us the win. Don’t forget that the Jags lost MJD and their QB early in that one too.
Palmer played out of his mind in the Steelers game. We needed every bit of that plus a few key turnovers and a FG at the gun to squeak that one out.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
We aren’t winning anything that some one doesn’t give us.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
#66 – yes – spot on.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Awful through and through.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Raiders for life Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
I’m thinking this whole Gruden rumor was masterminded by Amy Trask to sell tickets for the remainder of the season.
Amy, Mark and Reg are LTFAO right now.
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Question: Does that for life thing mean what it says?
I mean, is that like, forever?
Reason I’m asking is I want to know exactly how long yourd dumbass is going to embarrass other Raider fans?
Seems everytime I turn around, I run across another raider fan who was dropped on his head.
more than once.
then stepped on.
more than once.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
What was Walsh’s record his first year with the Niners?
anyone?
December 5th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
actually i guess this is what happens when your fav team
loses 5 str8 weeks in a row.. and is terrrible
December 5th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
What was Parcells record his first year with the Bears?
Anyone?
December 5th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
John D Booty,
Good post man.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
http://www.facebook.com/BringJohnGrudenBackToTheRaiders
Just because I want to believe,…….
December 5th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
its a joke Ausberry isnt used more..
December 5th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
John Fox throws the game for 3 reasons:
1. Gives DA win so that he gets DA in the division again next year.
2. Keeps the Raiders from getting 1st pick overall.
3. Has serious coin on the game!
December 5th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
actually i guess this is what happens when your fav team
loses 5 str8 weeks in a row.. and is terrrible
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fav team?
fav?
lol. What are you, 12? In menses?
December 5th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
its a joke Ausberry isnt used more..
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It’s a joke this team isn’t better in any way. McFadden that can’t run? Really? How inept must you be?
December 5th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
J Hill,how can you read what goes on here and get on anyone for calling out the insanity that is repeated over and over?
December 5th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
It would have been a classless act from the Raidets to start talks with a potential HC while our HC is home grieving.
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What if it “started” during the 3 days he was here?
Tennessee got turned down before the weekend, right?
Gruden to Oakland rumors started before the news came out about DAs pops, didn’t it?
December 5th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
any guess on how many straight games DA will lose?
December 5th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
What was Walsh’s record his first year with the Niners?
anyone?
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2-14 1978 but it was 5-9 in 1977 before he got there.
He did not inherent a 8-8 team with potential and run it into the ground.
BAD EXAMPLE
December 5th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Stil prayin’, still prayin’, getting right with jesus.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
exactly ppl think the talks started yesterday? no it was just reported it was going on.
These talks probaly started the week after the Saints game. Jon will be done with his MNF gig for the year in 12 days.
What are the Raiders suppose to day?? Oh yes we are talking to JON GRUDEN right now.. what if it doesnt workout?
Remember the 49ers denying talking to Peyton manning this offseason even though they persued him and didnt get him . That left Alex out and they had to kiss n makeup
December 5th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
What was Parcells record his first year with the Bears?
Anyone?
41-3?
December 5th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
I actually think John fox is gonna take it easy on DA especially cuz his job is in question.. he might even throw the game or make it in his favor
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Really? You “actually think an opposing coach is going to throw the game”?
If anyone wonders why raiders fans are the butt of most fans jokes, this is a reminder.
Stick to stealing little girls bicycle seats.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
to say*
December 5th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Raiders have given up 189 points during this 5 game losing streak. the first 4 losses were the worst defensive stretch in raider history and maybe in all of the NFL. I’ve never seen a Raider defense this bad. no pass rush, no run defense, no coverage, no tackling, no sacks, no effort, no will to fight, NOTHING. this is the worst defense I have ever seen. and Dennis Allen is the HC with a “defensive” background. walshs first year was BETTER than this. this team doesn’t even compete!! Dennis Allen doesn’t have his team competing. forget winning with this lack of talent but how about competing! nothing. DA is a smart guy and maybe he’ll light a fire.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Yes there is a strong chance he will.. I never heard a head coach saying how hard it is to beat the same team twice.
there is a strong chance we can come out flat.. he was saying these things today.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
if fox did throw the game….DA would still find a way to lose.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Equals 44. Didn’t even notice that.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Parcels was bad that first year, but I don’t think he was taking over a .500 team, so it wasn’t such a massive regression. Same goes for Jimmy Johnson going 1-15 in Dallas.
The other problem is that those guys had much stronger resumes. DA was a DC for one year for the 20th ranked unit and his team got bounced from the playoffs allowing 45 points to the Pats.
Maybe next time Reggie will use his brain rather than his gut to make these kinds of decisions. Though his gut is clearly a formidable force of nature.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
RaidO Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
What was Walsh’s record his first year with the Niners?
anyone?
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2-14 1978 but it was 5-9 in 1977 before he got there.
He did not inherent a 8-8 team with potential and run it into the ground.
BAD EXAMPLE
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Great example.
Stupid reply.
Now go hit yourself between your eyes with a kumquat.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Yes there is a strong chance he will.. I never heard a head coach saying how hard it is to beat the same team twice.
there is a strong chance we can come out flat.. he was saying these things today.
> Yeah Fox will start running the clock out after mannings 3rd TD pass. It’ll be 28-6 broncos instead of 49-0
December 5th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Sullivan44 Says: Stick to stealing little girls bicycle seats.=============================================
That says it all.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
lmao at anyone comparing DA with parcells…
December 5th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
maybe .. dont be suprised.. That Dennis allen smile after the first bronco game was telling
December 5th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
exactly ppl think the talks started yesterday? no it was just reported it was going on.
These talks probaly started the week after the Saints game. Jon will be done with his MNF gig for the year in 12 days.
What are the Raiders suppose to day?? Oh yes we are talking to JON GRUDEN right now.. what if it doesnt workout?
Remember the 49ers denying talking to Peyton manning this offseason even though they persued him and didnt get him . That left Alex out and they had to kiss n makeup
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True.
Even if the Raiders are “talking” to Gruden the have to deny it. DA’s dad just died and the Raiders still have 4 games left.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Raiders have given up 189 points during this 5 game losing streak. the first 4 losses were the worst defensive stretch in raider history and maybe in all of the NFL. I’ve never seen a Raider defense this bad. no pass rush, no run defense, no coverage, no tackling, no sacks, no effort, no will to fight, NOTHING. this is the worst defense I have ever seen. and Dennis Allen is the HC with a “defensive” background. walshs first year was BETTER than this. this team doesn’t even compete!! Dennis Allen doesn’t have his team competing. forget winning with this lack of talent but how about competing! nothing. DA is a smart guy and maybe he’ll light a fire.
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And maybe your ma will quit telling the neighbors that your dress wearing is just a fad you’re going through.
then again, maybe not.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
You are an a$$,but it is good you are here.You actually make more sense than those 6 or 7 guys who have come to dominate this place.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Who did I “get on”, Lefty?
And I skip past most of the “madness”.
I agree with some of the “madness”, lol.
Madness = Palmer trade was bad, Pryor should play, Gruden would fill up the stadium. Oh, and the Mistic haters are OOB, imo. SO WHAT he likes black QBs??? It shouldn’t generate the level of crap he takes.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Sullivan44 Says: Stick to stealing little girls bicycle seats.=============================================
That says it all.
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Says what?
That were all onto you?
That you have to register wherever you move to?
tell us something new.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
RaidO Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
What was Walsh’s record his first year with the Niners?
anyone?
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2-14 1978 but it was 5-9 in 1977 before he got there.
He did not inherent a 8-8 team with potential and run it into the ground.
BAD EXAMPLE
?????????????????
So walsh took a team with a bad record and made it worse. Fail to see how this is a bad example. Walsh was villified his first season. 90% of the niner fans wanted him gone. The press hated him. “Too intelctual. Not emotional enough. Questionable decisions. Bad personel choices.” I remember that time. It is very similair to this situation.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Sullivan44 Says: Now go hit yourself between your eyes with a kumquat.=======================================
I like kumquats and Sully can’t spell that well so that isn’t him.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Raiders have given up 189 points during this 5 game losing streak. the first 4 losses were the worst defensive stretch in raider history and maybe in all of the NFL. I’ve never seen a Raider defense this bad. no pass rush, no run defense, no coverage, no tackling, no sacks, no effort, no will to fight, NOTHING. this is the worst defense I have ever seen. and Dennis Allen is the HC with a “defensive” background. walshs first year was BETTER than this. this team doesn’t even compete!! Dennis Allen doesn’t have his team competing. forget winning with this lack of talent but how about competing! nothing. DA is a smart guy and maybe he’ll light a fire.
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And maybe your ma will quit telling the neighbors that your dress wearing is just a fad you’re going through.
then again, maybe not.
> I didn’t know you were gay, good for you, you shouldn’t have to hide your feelings. So thats why you want Dennis Allen to stay, he’s a younger man and probably gets your tent pitched. How sweet
December 5th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
An 8-8 team in a weak division that lses to Tebow. He did not inherit much.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
These are the coaching leaders of our team? Seriously? These guys look like they are clueless.
http://prod.images.raiders.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/RAIDERS/assets/images/imported/OAK/photos/clubimages/2012/12-December/temp1205-practice-4–nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=620&height=465
December 5th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
You are an a$$,but it is good you are here.You actually make more sense than those 6 or 7 guys who have come to dominate this place.
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Thanks Lefty.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
*loses*
December 5th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
RaidO Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
What was Walsh’s record his first year with the Niners?
anyone?
—————————————–
2-14 1978 but it was 5-9 in 1977 before he got there.
He did not inherent a 8-8 team with potential and run it into the ground.
BAD EXAMPLE
?????????????????
So walsh took a team with a bad record and made it worse. Fail to see how this is a bad example. Walsh was villified his first season. 90% of the niner fans wanted him gone. The press hated him. “Too intelctual. Not emotional enough. Questionable decisions. Bad personel choices.” I remember that time. It is very similair to this situation.
>. Sandusky44(Realmaddenraider) isn’t mentally stable so unless you want to play psychiatrist i would just stick with the adults on the blog.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
RaidO Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
What was Walsh’s record his first year with the Niners?
anyone?
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2-14 1978 but it was 5-9 in 1977 before he got there.
He did not inherent a 8-8 team with potential and run it into the ground.
BAD EXAMPLE
===========================
Great example.
Stupid reply.
Now go hit yourself between your eyes with a kumqua
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I will say it again. He did not inherent a 8-8 team with potential and run it into the ground like DA has done. Bad Example.
LOL comparing Bill Walsh one of the pioneers of the West Coast offense with DA.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
I want to play, No Mas
*frogs*
December 5th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
its a joke Ausberry isnt used more..
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What has Myers done to get benched?
Or should we bench Reece and go 2 TEs?
December 5th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Dennis Allen has to show that he can get his team to COMPETE. Hit people, show some tenacity, effort. Raiders are not talented enough but they should still show some will or fight out there.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RaidO Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
RaidO Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
What was Walsh’s record his first year with the Niners?
anyone?
—————————————–
2-14 1978 but it was 5-9 in 1977 before he got there.
He did not inherent a 8-8 team with potential and run it into the ground.
BAD EXAMPLE
===========================
Great example.
Stupid reply.
Now go hit yourself between your eyes with a kumqua
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I will say it again. He did not inherent a 8-8 team with potential and run it into the ground like DA has done. Bad Example.
LOL comparing Bill Walsh one of the pioneers of the West Coast offense with DA.
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Wow.
You said it again?
*pat on head*.
Run along now.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
It would have been a classless act from the Raidets to start talks with a potential HC while our HC is home grieving.
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What if it “started” during the 3 days he was here?
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It depends. If we are interested in Gruden as HC then yes it’s classless, and that hurts our image more than firing coaches after 1 year.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Eat your Adam’s Apple.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
We can just take sporadic examples from the season …
Defense playing REALLY well against Tampa Bay. Has them up against our goaline, pretty much. 3rd and forever. Gio lets Jackson get BEHIND him for a 1st down.
Is that really on the HC???
Or do we just need someone better than Gio starting at S?
December 5th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Seymour said Dennis Allen has “IT”. i wanna know what the IT is that Seymour saw. Belichick is an emotionless, bring coach and yet has been the best over the last 11 years.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Oh, and the Mistic haters are OOB, imo. SO WHAT he likes black QBs??? It shouldn’t generate the level of crap he takes.
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I agree.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
J Hill,Mystic doesn’t bother me anymore.i realize he comes here to troll and upset the masses.I don’t agree the Palmer trade was a bad trade-it was something that had to be done.I will say he has been a disappointment but the talent around him doesn’t help him.What we’ve learned is he can’t carry the team,but the trade had to happen.Pryor will play but probably not to the extent you wish,but lets see if he can be a pro QB.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
We can just take sporadic examples from the season …
Defense playing REALLY well against Tampa Bay. Has them up against our goaline, pretty much. 3rd and forever. Gio lets Jackson get BEHIND him for a 1st down.
Is that really on the HC???
Or do we just need someone better than Gio starting at S?
>> 169 points allowed in 4 games. Raiders are historically bad and might give up 500 points on D.giving up 55 points to Joe Flacco is embarrassing man.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
So is Gruden coming back or not?
The very fact that they are denying it, means there is some truth to it. I just wonder who it was that is the leak. Is it on the Raiders end or Gruden’s?
Clearly, Mark knows we all want him back.
Bring back Gruden, Gannon (as a coach), and Nnamdi as our #1 CB and ALL RAIDER FANS will agree that three of Al’s wrong’s will be righted.
I say this all, with disregard, for how unbelievably disrespectful it was for the story to get broken on the day that DA loses his father. I feel bad for DA. I genuinely do.
Regardless, while I hope Gruden comes back, Im not counting on it happening. I think DA and his staff are here to stay.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Raider O Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Oh, and the Mistic haters are OOB, imo. SO WHAT he likes black QBs??? It shouldn’t generate the level of crap he takes.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I agree.
>> yeah but to like a QB BECAUSE he’s black is idiocy and deserves a lot of crap.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
I don’t see “classless”, O.
Bringing Gruden back in no way hurts our image.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
We can just take sporadic examples from the season …
Defense playing REALLY well against Tampa Bay. Has them up against our goaline, pretty much. 3rd and forever. Gio lets Jackson get BEHIND him for a 1st down.
Is that really on the HC???
Or do we just need someone better than Gio starting at S?
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Of course that is not the HC’s fault.
Big plays in a otherwise well played game are never the fault of the scheme or gameplan. It comes from a mental miscue. A brainfart.
Which is something we’ve been plagued with for a LONG TIME. It cant be coached out of, you either have mental toughness or you dont. A lot of our players dont have it. Its the one measurable that Al couldnt check for at the combine.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
but the trade had to happen.
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Boeller was terrible. Pryor wasn’t ready.
I agree we had to do something, but it turns out we might have paid to high of a price.
We’ll recover though. Not worried at all.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Trying to post about my hot cousin, but won’t let me.
I’m shocked.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
RaidO Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
What was Walsh’s record his first year with the Niners?
anyone?
—————————————–
2-14 1978 but it was 5-9 in 1977 before he got there.
He did not inherent a 8-8 team with potential and run it into the ground.
BAD EXAMPLE
?????????????????
So walsh took a team with a bad record and made it worse. Fail to see how this is a bad example. Walsh was villified his first season. 90% of the niner fans wanted him gone. The press hated him. “Too intelctual. Not emotional enough. Questionable decisions. Bad personel choices.” I remember that time. It is very similair to this situation.
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Walsh took over in 79. 33 years ago. Before free agency, might I add. And the 9ers hardly had a huge fanbase when he got there, so I dont know about him being “vilified” by fans. Im going to have to do some homework on that one, cause I will be honest, I dont know. 9ers arent my thing. But I cant imagine the fans thinking of Bill Walsh the same way most Raiders fans I know personally think of DA. And besides, Bill Walsh was already respected in the Bay as Stanford head coach before he came to the 9ers. DA, no Raiders fan was thinking about this guy before his name was mentioned as a possible HC hire. Really dont know if I can buy how much Walsh was despised, but hey, you could be right. Either way, 33 years ago, football was a completely different business and machine altogether. And with all respect, DA has looked anything but “intellectual” with his coaching this season. Just saying, Im not seeing too many similarities in the situation outside of the bad record.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I personally enjoy rampant speculation and talking possibilities etc. It’s part of the fun; especially when we have no free agents to talk about or playoffs to consider.
I’m not a fan of bogus reports per se, but my job as a fan is to enjoy football however i want. Some enjoy dissecting the “process” of building a franchise and i do too, and some don’t mind putting their Raider joy on hold for a few more years. To each his own i guess.
I love the rush of us acquiring a big name free agent who i think will really help us. I don’t know how often i’ll be able to enjoy THAT particular aspect with this regime going forward, but there is a serious drought going on of ANY good news coming from the front office of this org. in quite some time and there sure as heck hasn’t been any on the field.
Nobody puts a gun to my head and forces me to be a fan of this org. but sometimes this org. makes me want to put a gun to my head myself.
I’m kidding of course, but i’ve forgotten what it’s like to have that rush of excitement that comes from something really good happening to my favorite sports team.
For a second there this Gruden thing did it for me…then the reality set in.
Sorry, but the long and lengthy process of acquiring no name players and listening to the uninspiring words of boring coaches and front office personnel as i’m being told to be “patient”, just doesn’t do it for me.
It’s just all so boring and bad. That’s a bad combo.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Holidays.
Familia over.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
J,
Talking to HC replacements in week 13 while your HC is still there is classless IMO. Why not fire your HC, or wait after the season is over.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Means my hot antie and my hot cuz are coming over.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
DA has to FIRE Knapp. That’s the only way he stays. If DA wants to keep his “Buddy” he is gone. Could you image Knapp coming back for another year? Hell no.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
right across from me at the table is more than a bubblelicious of bubly fun, staring across at me, buttons straining.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Not drooling is not an option.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
but the trade had to happen.
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Boeller was terrible. Pryor wasn’t ready.
I agree we had to do something, but it turns out we might have paid to high of a price.
We’ll recover though. Not worried at all.
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This is exactly the proper way to view it.
To add to what you and Lefty said earlier, we’ve largely wasted Palmer’s talents. That is why the trade looks so poor after the fact. Palmer plays at a much higher level than his receiving corps. It’s amazing he’s done what he does with such a bunch of #4’s.
We’ve wasted Palmer just like we wasted Michael Bush’s talents while he was here. And DMC’s as well.
We’ve had some real talent around this team occassionaly but their are too many missing pieces for them to make a difference in the W-L record.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Staring gets me a mashy-tater spoon upside the back of my head, where my cuz teases me by arching her back when laughing at me.
Any advice?
December 5th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Forget the Gruden-Raiders rumors, I’m more interested in seeing if Oakland puts up a good fight against the Broncos.
What happened to DA and his family with Grady Allen passing away was a terrible tragedy.
There are a lot of “win one for DA” themes going around on this blog and others, but, I just don’t see this team doing it.
As it pains me to say, the Broncos are going to obliterate the Raiders in Oakland tomorrow 49-10.
I would love to see Oakland win say 28-24, however, I cannot honestly believe it will happen.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Gruden should have never left.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
Nobody puts a gun to my head and forces me to be a fan of this org. but sometimes this org. makes me want to put a gun to my head myself.
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Quote of the year nominee.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
We can just take sporadic examples from the season …
Defense playing REALLY well against Tampa Bay. Has them up against our goaline, pretty much. 3rd and forever. Gio lets Jackson get BEHIND him for a 1st down.
Is that really on the HC???
Or do we just need someone better than Gio starting at S?
>> 169 points allowed in 4 games. Raiders are historically bad and might give up 500 points on D.giving up 55 points to Joe Flacco is embarrassing man.
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All these stats go in the books. These things really happened. This is all on DA’s resume.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
to like a QB BECAUSE he’s black is idiocy
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Idiocy???
You have it backwards. If he disliked Palmer because he was white, then I could see your point.
What difference does it make why you LIKE someone???
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Walsh was an experienced coach.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Kirk Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Gruden should have never left.
>> Gruden got bigger than Al Davis and thats why he was traded.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I personally enjoy rampant speculation and talking possibilities etc. It’s part of the fun; especially when we have no free agents to talk about or playoffs to consider.
I’m not a fan of bogus reports per se, but my job as a fan is to enjoy football however i want. Some enjoy dissecting the “process” of building a franchise and i do too, and some don’t mind putting their Raider joy on hold for a few more years. To each his own i guess.
I love the rush of us acquiring a big name free agent who i think will really help us. I don’t know how often i’ll be able to enjoy THAT particular aspect with this regime going forward, but there is a serious drought going on of ANY good news coming from the front office of this org. in quite some time and there sure as heck hasn’t been any on the field.
Nobody puts a gun to my head and forces me to be a fan of this org. but sometimes this org. makes me want to put a gun to my head myself.
I’m kidding of course, but i’ve forgotten what it’s like to have that rush of excitement that comes from something really good happening to my favorite sports team.
For a second there this Gruden thing did it for me…then the reality set in.
Sorry, but the long and lengthy process of acquiring no name players and listening to the uninspiring words of boring coaches and front office personnel as i’m being told to be “patient”, just doesn’t do it for me.
It’s just all so boring and bad. That’s a bad combo.
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There is some idiot from these parts, who regardless of how many times he’s told Hue screwed himself by acting all that, still posts like a little boy about his hero Hue.
Ring a bell?
December 5th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
to like a QB BECAUSE he’s black is idiocy
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Idiocy???
You have it backwards. If he disliked Palmer because he was white, then I could see your point.
What difference does it make why you LIKE someone???
> would be like saying i voted for mitt Romney BECAUSE he’s white. would that be idiocy to you?
December 5th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I personally enjoy rampant speculation and talking possibilities etc. It’s part of the fun; especially when we have no free agents to talk about or playoffs to consider.
I’m not a fan of bogus reports per se, but my job as a fan is to enjoy football however i want. Some enjoy dissecting the “process” of building a franchise and i do too, and some don’t mind putting their Raider joy on hold for a few more years. To each his own i guess.
I love the rush of us acquiring a big name free agent who i think will really help us. I don’t know how often i’ll be able to enjoy THAT particular aspect with this regime going forward, but there is a serious drought going on of ANY good news coming from the front office of this org. in quite some time and there sure as heck hasn’t been any on the field.
Nobody puts a gun to my head and forces me to be a fan of this org. but sometimes this org. makes me want to put a gun to my head myself.
I’m kidding of course, but i’ve forgotten what it’s like to have that rush of excitement that comes from something really good happening to my favorite sports team.
For a second there this Gruden thing did it for me…then the reality set in.
Sorry, but the long and lengthy process of acquiring no name players and listening to the uninspiring words of boring coaches and front office personnel as i’m being told to be “patient”, just doesn’t do it for me.
It’s just all so boring and bad. That’s a bad combo.
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True words
December 5th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
I like black QBs, White DBs, and Asian basketball player.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I personally enjoy rampant speculation and talking possibilities etc. It’s part of the fun; especially when we have no free agents to talk about or playoffs to consider.
I’m not a fan of bogus reports per se, but my job as a fan is to enjoy football however i want. Some enjoy dissecting the “process” of building a franchise and i do too, and some don’t mind putting their Raider joy on hold for a few more years. To each his own i guess.
I love the rush of us acquiring a big name free agent who i think will really help us. I don’t know how often i’ll be able to enjoy THAT particular aspect with this regime going forward, but there is a serious drought going on of ANY good news coming from the front office of this org. in quite some time and there sure as heck hasn’t been any on the field.
Nobody puts a gun to my head and forces me to be a fan of this org. but sometimes this org. makes me want to put a gun to my head myself.
I’m kidding of course, but i’ve forgotten what it’s like to have that rush of excitement that comes from something really good happening to my favorite sports team.
For a second there this Gruden thing did it for me…then the reality set in.
Sorry, but the long and lengthy process of acquiring no name players and listening to the uninspiring words of boring coaches and front office personnel as i’m being told to be “patient”, just doesn’t do it for me.
It’s just all so boring and bad. That’s a bad combo.
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Football is entertainment.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Kirk Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Gruden should have never left.
>> Gruden got bigger than Al Davis and thats why he was traded.
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You are dumber than a rock.
Al, being the tight wad he is, when it came to extending Gruden’s contract, and giving him a raise, instead went public and blamed Gruden for the teams collapse at the end of ‘01. Gruden told Al he can shove it, that he’s outta here.
You should just read, Rockhead.
Be less painful.
Or dream about my hot cuz’s hoots. Oh ya, bby.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Raider O Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
I like black QBs, White DBs, and Asian basketball player.
>> you like a player that can play because he can PLAY. I could see ALSO liking a player because he shares your skin pigmentation that runs 1 layer deep. but for that to be your MAIN or only reason is idiocy to me.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
to like a QB BECAUSE he’s black is idiocy
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Idiocy???
You have it backwards. If he disliked Palmer because he was white, then I could see your point.
What difference does it make why you LIKE someone???
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Because we’re not supposed to see color these days.
It’s no different than the people that vote for or against Obammma because he is black. Both sides of the argument are seriously missing the mark if that is the criteria.
If you vote based on color, gay rights, abortion, and all the other ridiculous stuff and ignore foreign policy, human rights, and all the proper reasons, then you are an idiot that doesnt deserve a vote.
Carry that train of thought over to evaluating a QB, if you hate or like one just because of his skin color, youre equally ignorant. It’s a useless bias.
Mistic is harder on white QBs than he is black. Simply based on color. That is why he takes so much crap.
99% of the members here you wouldnt know what race they are. There are a select few that not only make it well known, but get off on how many people they can turn against them. Race shouldnt matter, it shouldnt come into the discussion but some people make it matter with their rants and narcissism.
Sometimes I think some of the worst culprits on here are actually white people that just want to make black people look bad.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
to like a QB BECAUSE he’s black is idiocy
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Idiocy???
You have it backwards. If he disliked Palmer because he was white, then I could see your point.
What difference does it make why you LIKE someone???
> would be like saying i voted for mitt Romney BECAUSE he’s white. would that be idiocy to you?
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Just say you’re a racist POS, Massa. Avoid all the red tape.
If ANY decision is made due to someone’s race? You’re a racist dog.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Walsh was an experienced coach.
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Exactly. In fact, Bill Walsh’s name at that time in football circles would be more along the lines of what David Shaws would be right now. DA and Bill Walsh dont really make for a good comparison to me.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Kirk Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Gruden should have never left.
>> Gruden got bigger than Al Davis and thats why he was traded.
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You are dumber than a rock.
Al, being the tight wad he is, when it came to extending Gruden’s contract, and giving him a raise, instead went public and blamed Gruden for the teams collapse at the end of ‘01. Gruden told Al he can shove it, that he’s outta here.
You should just read, Rockhead.
Be less painful.
Or dream about my hot cuz’s hoots. Oh ya, bby.
>> how dumb is a rock? could you explain in detail to me?
December 5th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
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December 5th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Gruden will come back, but not next year. Mark my words. EYE!!!!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Seymour said Dennis Allen has “IT”. i wanna know what the IT is that Seymour saw. Belichick is an emotionless, bring coach and yet has been the best over the last 11 years.
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Belichik might not be “emotional” and “fiery” but he has a “presence” about him and demeanor that says he’s not gonna take any crap…and never does.
I don’t see that with Allen…yet.
I’m still waiting for one positive thing we can point to with this regime that suggests things are gonna get better.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
would be like saying i voted for mitt Romney BECAUSE he’s white
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I think that is kinda simplistic.
Would i be an idiot if I said I liked hispanic women?
December 5th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
to like a QB BECAUSE he’s black is idiocy
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Idiocy???
You have it backwards. If he disliked Palmer because he was white, then I could see your point.
What difference does it make why you LIKE someone???
> would be like saying i voted for mitt Romney BECAUSE he’s white. would that be idiocy to you?
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Just say you’re a racist POS, Massa. Avoid all the red tape.
If ANY decision is made due to someone’s race? You’re a racist dog.
>> You should stop interrupting adults.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Liking an athlete because he is black is like voting for Romney because he is white?
WOW
December 5th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Seymour said Dennis Allen has “IT”. i wanna know what the IT is that Seymour saw. Belichick is an emotionless, bring coach and yet has been the best over the last 11 years.
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Belichik might not be “emotional” and “fiery” but he has a “presence” about him and demeanor that says he’s not gonna take any crap…and never does.
I don’t see that with Allen…yet.
I’m still waiting for one positive thing we can point to with this regime that suggests things are gonna get better.
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Belichick is the f#ckin master. Belichick does not go 3-9 with this roster.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
158,
Exactly Raido. I am not entertained presently.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Raider O Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
I like black QBs, White DBs, and Asian basketball player.
>> you like a player that can play because he can PLAY. I could see ALSO liking a player because he shares your skin pigmentation that runs 1 layer deep. but for that to be your MAIN or only reason is idiocy to me.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Minorities.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Is there an athletic white QB that Mistic doesn’t like?
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These athletic QBs are starting to get a CHANCE to play in the NFL. Some people are happy to see it. The CHANCE, that is.
I don’t see why that’s a big deal.
Didn’t have a problem with the Asian cats rooting for Jeremy Lin either, O.
The Spanish cats LOVE the Gasol brothers and Ricky Rubio.
They are all idiots???
December 5th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Kirk Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Gruden should have never left.
>> Gruden got bigger than Al Davis and thats why he was traded.
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You are dumber than a rock.
Al, being the tight wad he is, when it came to extending Gruden’s contract, and giving him a raise, instead went public and blamed Gruden for the teams collapse at the end of ‘01. Gruden told Al he can shove it, that he’s outta here.
You should just read, Rockhead.
Be less painful.
Or dream about my hot cuz’s hoots. Oh ya, bby.
>> how dumb is a rock? could you explain in detail to me?
======================
Of course I will. Expected you would ask.
Go pick up a rock.
Ask it a question.
Then experience what we experience when you post.
Lots of nothing.
Clear now, child?
December 5th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Seymour said Dennis Allen has “IT”. i wanna know what the IT is that Seymour saw. Belichick is an emotionless, bring coach and yet has been the best over the last 11 years.
—
Belichik might not be “emotional” and “fiery” but he has a “presence” about him and demeanor that says he’s not gonna take any crap…and never does.
I don’t see that with Allen…yet.
I’m still waiting for one positive thing we can point to with this regime that suggests things are gonna get better.
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Bellicheat wasnt seen as anything special and had a losing record until Brady showed up.
It’s easy to look like a genius when you have a great player and that player is also a great leader.
Perspective is everything.
Fat guy is eating in his car on his way to work, and most people think, what a slob, he cant even wait til he gets to his desk.
Skinny guy is eating in his car on his way to work, and most people think, what a go getter, he’s saving time by eating now so he can work more hours.
Both people are doing the exact same thing, but its viewed differently because of our own predispositions. Perspective is everything.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
would be like saying i voted for mitt Romney BECAUSE he’s white
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I think that is kinda simplistic.
Would i be an idiot if I said I liked hispanic women?
>> i don’t see ones personal sexual interests being relevant here. nobody has right to tell anybody what skin color their lovers should be. totally personal and not relevant. BUT with VOTING based on race is pure idiocy and happened recently and salivating over Black QBs BECAUSE they’re black and blogging about it over and over can and will be called out BY ME
December 5th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
I don’t find anything wrong with whites owning slaves. Gave them all a better life, didn’t they? Shelter, food, water, a purpose in life.
What did they have? Leaky huts? rotten food? stale water? eat and reproduce?
Look where they are now?
December 5th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Kirk Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Gruden should have never left.
>> Gruden got bigger than Al Davis and thats why he was traded.
======================================
You are dumber than a rock.
Al, being the tight wad he is, when it came to extending Gruden’s contract, and giving him a raise, instead went public and blamed Gruden for the teams collapse at the end of ‘01. Gruden told Al he can shove it, that he’s outta here.
You should just read, Rockhead.
Be less painful.
Or dream about my hot cuz’s hoots. Oh ya, bby.
>> how dumb is a rock? could you explain in detail to me?
======================
Of course I will. Expected you would ask.
Go pick up a rock.
Ask it a question.
Then experience what we experience when you post.
Lots of nothing.
Clear now, child?
>> So talking to a rock is like talking to you.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
I don’t find anything wrong with whites owning slaves. Gave them all a better life, didn’t they? Shelter, food, water, a purpose in life.
What did they have? Leaky huts? rotten food? stale water? eat and reproduce?
Look where they are now?
>> You’re not white
December 5th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
This scenario may not be true,but it has as much validity as most of the crap written here.People say we were 8-8 and on the rise.Well,suppose that was the ceiling.Many on here are basketball fans.If a team is .500 for a few years in a row and it doesn’t look like they will get better,do you keep that team together or go to a rebuild?Is the goal to stay around .500 or a game one way or the other,or do you say this is as good as it gets and rebuild?I believe that is where the Raiders were-8-8 or possibly 9-7 but never much better with no chance of getting to the SB.That is why Reg and DA have torn things apart.Fans may not like it or agree,but that is where we were at.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Seymour said Dennis Allen has “IT”. i wanna know what the IT is that Seymour saw. Belichick is an emotionless, bring coach and yet has been the best over the last 11 years.
—
Belichik might not be “emotional” and “fiery” but he has a “presence” about him and demeanor that says he’s not gonna take any crap…and never does.
I don’t see that with Allen…yet.
I’m still waiting for one positive thing we can point to with this regime that suggests things are gonna get better.
———–
Bellicheat wasnt seen as anything special and had a losing record until Brady showed up.
It’s easy to look like a genius when you have a great player and that player is also a great leader.
Perspective is everything.
Fat guy is eating in his car on his way to work, and most people think, what a slob, he cant even wait til he gets to his desk.
Skinny guy is eating in his car on his way to work, and most people think, what a go getter, he’s saving time by eating now so he can work more hours.
Both people are doing the exact same thing, but its viewed differently because of our own predispositions. Perspective is everything.
>> i don’t know belichick did win 11 games with matt cassell and a bad defense and no run game. Belichick is a football genius IMO
December 5th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Where they are now are bitter Raider fans, blaming whitey for something 150 years ago.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
BREAKING NEWS:
“The Oakland Raiders wish to adamantly deny anything resembling anything that might be considered good news in regard to the organization and/or the team on the field.
Please let this be notification that no exciting free agent acquisitions will be forthcoming in the foreseeable future and nothing resembling any real hope will be offered.
Thank you for understanding”.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Is there an athletic white QB that Mistic doesn’t like?
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These athletic QBs are starting to get a CHANCE to play in the NFL. Some people are happy to see it. The CHANCE, that is.
I don’t see why that’s a big deal.
Didn’t have a problem with the Asian cats rooting for Jeremy Lin either, O.
The Spanish cats LOVE the Gasol brothers and Ricky Rubio.
They are all idiots???
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Just starting to get a chance?
I guess Fran Tarkenton didnt exist. Nor did Randal Cunningham. Or Steve Young. Or Doug Flutie.
The bottom line, is it’s never worked. So starting with Doug Flutie (a white guy) they started going away from the athletic QB. It had nothing to do with race, simply because blacks were never being given the chance to learn the position in the first place. The bias against the super mobile QB started long before blacks at the position came into the fold.
It just doesnt work, or hasnt been proven to work yet. The better Wilson, RG3, and the rest get, it will be a direct result of them getting more and more comfortable in the pocket.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Is there an athletic white QB that Mistic doesn’t like?
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These athletic QBs are starting to get a CHANCE to play in the NFL. Some people are happy to see it. The CHANCE, that is.
I don’t see why that’s a big deal.
Didn’t have a problem with the Asian cats rooting for Jeremy Lin either, O.
The Spanish cats LOVE the Gasol brothers and Ricky Rubio.
They are all idiots???
>> you know asian people that blog constantly about LIN? doubt it, do you even know any spanish people? doubt it. I’m not talking about something theoretical, this is in THIS blog for all too read.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
I’m reading Master of the Mountain, Thomas Jefferson and his slaves. Interesting read.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
i don’t see ones personal sexual interests being relevant here.
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LOL.
I kinda see it as similar to the QB preference.
People like athletic QBs for a reason. They are mobile, can extend the play, give the defense something else to think about, so on and so forth….. ARSSE
Some people like pocket passers who can stand in there go through processions…errr PROGRESSIONS……Titteeess
Some are arsse men, some are tittee men.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Is there an athletic white QB that Mistic doesn’t like?
————————————————————-
These athletic QBs are starting to get a CHANCE to play in the NFL. Some people are happy to see it. The CHANCE, that is.
I don’t see why that’s a big deal.
Didn’t have a problem with the Asian cats rooting for Jeremy Lin either, O.
The Spanish cats LOVE the Gasol brothers and Ricky Rubio.
They are all idiots???
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Just starting to get a chance?
I guess Fran Tarkenton didnt exist. Nor did Randal Cunningham. Or Steve Young. Or Doug Flutie.
The bottom line, is it’s never worked. So starting with Doug Flutie (a white guy) they started going away from the athletic QB. It had nothing to do with race, simply because blacks were never being given the chance to learn the position in the first place. The bias against the super mobile QB started long before blacks at the position came into the fold.
It just doesnt work, or hasnt been proven to work yet. The better Wilson, RG3, and the rest get, it will be a direct result of them getting more and more comfortable in the pocket.
>> Mobile scrambling QBs take more punishment. QB should only run as last option.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
This scenario may not be true,but it has as much validity as most of the crap written here.People say we were 8-8 and on the rise.Well,suppose that was the ceiling.Many on here are basketball fans.If a team is .500 for a few years in a row and it doesn’t look like they will get better,do you keep that team together or go to a rebuild?Is the goal to stay around .500 or a game one way or the other,or do you say this is as good as it gets and rebuild?I believe that is where the Raiders were-8-8 or possibly 9-7 but never much better with no chance of getting to the SB.That is why Reg and DA have torn things apart.Fans may not like it or agree,but that is where we were at.
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They were on the Rise. If JC and DMAC did not go down they would have made a playoff run and when you look at the NY Giants super bowl winning season that year anything can happen.
Remember after the end of the season when Hue was still coach? Fix the D and cut down on the penalties was the “Word”
December 5th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
This scenario may not be true,but it has as much validity as most of the crap written here.People say we were 8-8 and on the rise.Well,suppose that was the ceiling.Many on here are basketball fans.If a team is .500 for a few years in a row and it doesn’t look like they will get better,do you keep that team together or go to a rebuild?Is the goal to stay around .500 or a game one way or the other,or do you say this is as good as it gets and rebuild?I believe that is where the Raiders were-8-8 or possibly 9-7 but never much better with no chance of getting to the SB.That is why Reg and DA have torn things apart.Fans may not like it or agree,but that is where we were at.
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This is truth. 8-8 was our ceiling. Hue did a masterful job at just getting us that. There isnt more too it than that.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
i don’t see ones personal sexual interests being relevant here.
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LOL.
I kinda see it as similar to the QB preference.
People like athletic QBs for a reason. They are mobile, can extend the play, give the defense something else to think about, so on and so forth….. ARSSE
Some people like pocket passers who can stand in there go through processions…errr PROGRESSIONS……Titteeess
Some are arsse men, some are tittee men.
>> i don’t see any relevance. I’ll just leave it at that
December 5th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
RaidO Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
This scenario may not be true,but it has as much validity as most of the crap written here.People say we were 8-8 and on the rise.Well,suppose that was the ceiling.Many on here are basketball fans.If a team is .500 for a few years in a row and it doesn’t look like they will get better,do you keep that team together or go to a rebuild?Is the goal to stay around .500 or a game one way or the other,or do you say this is as good as it gets and rebuild?I believe that is where the Raiders were-8-8 or possibly 9-7 but never much better with no chance of getting to the SB.That is why Reg and DA have torn things apart.Fans may not like it or agree,but that is where we were at.
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They were on the Rise. If JC and DMAC did not go down they would have made a playoff run and when you look at the NY Giants super bowl winning season that year anything can happen.
Remember after the end of the season when Hue was still coach? Fix the D and cut down on the penalties was the “Word”
>> raiders would be in a better place if they had just kept campbell and NOT made the trade. and i don’t think JC was anything special.Trade was wrong
December 5th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
PPl saying Al left this team a mess. UMM no he didnt.
he never traded for Palmer.. He never traded for Aaron curry and gave them high salaries.
he paid wimbley and routt. I would have kept wimbley before seymour / curry
December 5th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Palmer and curry f’d up the cap big time.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
I just can’t figure out why you tear apart the #5 Oline in the league, like they grow on trees.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
you know asian people that blog constantly about LIN? doubt it, do you even know any spanish people? doubt it
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Are you really questioning LinSanity??? Were there Asian blogging about him??? Is that a serious question?
Do I “know” a lot of Spaniards? Nope, but I sure see them at Staples sporting their Gasoft jerseys. I sure do hear him giving Spanish only ineterviews. I didn’t see those Spanish reporters talking to Bynum or Artest, lol.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Is there an athletic white QB that Mistic doesn’t like?
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These athletic QBs are starting to get a CHANCE to play in the NFL. Some people are happy to see it. The CHANCE, that is.
I don’t see why that’s a big deal.
Didn’t have a problem with the Asian cats rooting for Jeremy Lin either, O.
The Spanish cats LOVE the Gasol brothers and Ricky Rubio.
They are all idiots???
————-
Just starting to get a chance?
I guess Fran Tarkenton didnt exist. Nor did Randal Cunningham. Or Steve Young. Or Doug Flutie.
The bottom line, is it’s never worked. So starting with Doug Flutie (a white guy) they started going away from the athletic QB. It had nothing to do with race, simply because blacks were never being given the chance to learn the position in the first place. The bias against the super mobile QB started long before blacks at the position came into the fold.
It just doesnt work, or hasnt been proven to work yet. The better Wilson, RG3, and the rest get, it will be a direct result of them getting more and more comfortable in the pocket.
>> Mobile scrambling QBs take more punishment. QB should only run as last option.
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That’s my point.
“Gunslingers” are the happy medium. Guys like Farve and Elway and Rogers. They are just mobile enough to be dangerous, but it’s never their first choice, at any point of their career.
The best thing that can happen for these “21st century QB’s” like Wilson, RG3, and Cam, is that they evolve into “Gunslingers”.
The “Pocket Passer” can still be effective. The “Gunslinger” has won in this league. But the “21st century” guy that is run first/pass second, just hasnt proven to worked yet at this level and their is no reason to think it ever will.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
You know what… I’m passed the point of caring. This organization doesn’t care that its a joke so why should I?
Tired of hearing all the cliches while watching this team get beat over and over and over and over and over and over…
A Decade of Futility with no end in sight.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
You know what… I’m passed the point of caring. This organization doesn’t care that its a joke so why should I?
Tired of hearing all the cliches while watching this team get beat over and over and over and over and over and over…
A Decade of Futility with no end in sight.
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What makes you think there is no end in sight?
It was a decade of futility because we tried the SAME THING OVER AND OVER again for 25 years.
For the first time in over 2 decades we are trying something different and now you want to jump ship before it ever has a chance to mature? That makes no sense.
We were going nowhere with the “old way”.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
I’m reading Master of the Mountain, Thomas Jefferson and his slaves. Interesting read.
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You are such a liar.
You posted this last year.
Saying you’re reading a book doesn’t mean you ever seen the book, obviously.
Same as saying you’ve traveled here, or there. Anyone can say that. Doubt anyone believes you, quite honestly.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
I just can’t figure out why you tear apart the #5 Oline in the league, like they grow on trees.
==========================
See what I mean about you reposting?
You’ve only made this comment minimum of 6 times, that I’ve seen. Probably closer to a dozen times.
Yet here you are, posting the exact same thing, again, sometime later.
Originality isn’t your strong-suit, is it?
December 5th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
You know what… I’m passed the point of caring. This organization doesn’t care that its a joke so why should I?
Tired of hearing all the cliches while watching this team get beat over and over and over and over and over and over…
A Decade of Futility with no end in sight.
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What makes you think there is no end in sight?
It was a decade of futility because we tried the SAME THING OVER AND OVER again for 25 years.
For the first time in over 2 decades we are trying something different and now you want to jump ship before it ever has a chance to mature? That makes no sense.
We were going nowhere with the “old way”.
……
No way I’m jumping ship. I will die a Raiders fan. Just filled with apathy at this point. Lost my passion. Losses used to bother me and wins and used to get me pumped. Now I’m just blah…
December 5th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Michael Vick in the silver and black in 13
December 5th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
.That is why Reg and DA have torn things apart.Fans may not like it or agree,but that is where we were at.
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I actually do like it.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
I really had hope at the beginning of this year. Was excited to see what the new regime had in store for this team.
THIS TEAM LOOKS LIKE SH!T. HORRIBLE, TOM WALSH HORRIBLE. BUNGLES HORRIBLE. NEW ORLEANS AINTS HORRIBLE. EARLY TAMPA BAY BUCS HORRIBLE.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
You know what… I’m passed the point of caring. This organization doesn’t care that its a joke so why should I?
Tired of hearing all the cliches while watching this team get beat over and over and over and over and over and over…
A Decade of Futility with no end in sight.
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What makes you think there is no end in sight?
It was a decade of futility because we tried the SAME THING OVER AND OVER again for 25 years.
For the first time in over 2 decades we are trying something different and now you want to jump ship before it ever has a chance to mature? That makes no sense.
We were going nowhere with the “old way”.
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No way I’m jumping ship. I will die a Raiders fan. Just filled with apathy at this point. Lost my passion. Losses used to bother me and wins and used to get me pumped. Now I’m just blah…
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Youre where I was the day we hired Gruden.
All Im saying is that look at the big picture. Look who our last 10 first round picks were. It’s been really really bad, and now we are paying the piper.
The one thing you and I can hang our hat on is that things are being done VASTLY different in the front office. We have a owner that cares, but doesnt meddle. We have a GM that IS A RAIDER AT HEART, and knows scouting, but hasnt had a chance to draft and work the FA market enough, and we have a coaching staff that has authority for the first time since Gruden.
All we need are 2 players with some leadership ability and this team will turn around quickly.
There are reasons to be hopeful. Re-read this post if you have to. I think I outlined them pretty well. Al may not be happy he’s dead, none of you might either, but his franchise is in good hands with Mark, Reggie, and Amy.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Damn, you’re an envious little prick, aren’t you cross poster? Lol geez.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
The New Orleans “PELICANS”….. have you all heard?
Wow. That’s all I can say. They passed up the name “Krew” for “Pelicans”.
We could have worse ownership. Just sayin’.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Just starting to get a chance?
I guess Fran Tarkenton didnt exist.
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Maybe some of these guys are youngsters and didn’t see them play.
I think it’s just more of an excitement to see more than JUST a Mike Vick here and there for some of these guys.
Again, I don’t see anything wrong with someone prefering more athletic QBs versus non athletic types.
It shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
QB should only run as last option.
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I agree with that.
QBs job is to throw the damn ball first, second, and last.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
199,
BacknBlack, I’m guessing you aren’t passed the point of caring but you wouldn’t mind getting to that point?
I know what u mean.
There’s never, ever any good news from this team or something to latch onto.
The demoralizing drubbings ON the field and the pointless words of the front office all have led you to this point.
The lack of anything resembling any REAL hope has contributed to my malaise.
“Wow. That free agent is available and we need him. Go get ‘em Reggie”. Nope.
“Wow, did u hear those rumors of the organization making a bold move to get better and energize the fanbase”?
Raiders: “We have no intention of doing anything to truly improve our team. No bones shall be thrown the fans way”.
“Have some perspective. This is a long,boring multi year process. Be patient and shut up. But please support us anyway like u always have despite the humiliating beatdowns. Don’t expect any big splashes. We intend to do this in as uninteresting a way as we possibly can”.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Iv met Zak, hes a cool dude,…he should have told the truth about old bald headed Hub Arkush…typical Joo,…those “people”,..always hiding behind things like phones, computers,..doing things to stir up events,..then have others defend them later,..whether its in media blunders, or wars,…thats why when folks try to tell me about the Holocaust, I never shed a tear,..I only wish it would have went further,…and God bless that dude in Iran,…he will get rid of the rest of that rat tribe. Goodnight.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Just starting to get a chance?
I guess Fran Tarkenton didnt exist.
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Maybe some of these guys are youngsters and didn’t see them play.
I think it’s just more of an excitement to see more than JUST a Mike Vick here and there for some of these guys.
Again, I don’t see anything wrong with someone prefering more athletic QBs versus non athletic types.
It shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
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It wouldnt be that big of a deal, and it never was in the past, until race became the issue.
Nobody gave a crap that Flutie was getting a raw deal. It was a white on white crime.
Nobody gave a crap that Steve Young had to be molded into a “Gunslinger” in order to be effective.
Throw race into the fire and watch things get interesting and noticeably stupider at the same time.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
199,
BacknBlack, I’m guessing you aren’t passed the point of caring but you wouldn’t mind getting to that point?
I know what u mean.
There’s never, ever any good news from this team or something to latch onto.
The demoralizing drubbings ON the field and the pointless words of the front office all have led you to this point.
The lack of anything resembling any REAL hope has contributed to my malaise.
“Wow. That free agent is available and we need him. Go get ‘em Reggie”. Nope.
“Wow, did u hear those rumors of the organization making a bold move to get better and energize the fanbase”?
Raiders: “We have no intention of doing anything to truly improve our team. No bones shall be thrown the fans way”.
“Have some perspective. This is a long,boring multi year process. Be patient and shut up. But please support us anyway like u always have despite the humiliating beatdowns. Don’t expect any big splashes. We intend to do this in as uninteresting a way as we possibly can”.
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Where were you the last 10 years?
The Raiders never rebuilt, we just reloaded.
Flashy FA pickups and mortgaging of the future.
It sure worked out well didnt it? Oh wait, the two 8-8 years are considered “working out” in your eyes.
Nevermind.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I live in LA. I’m a life long Raiders fan who grew up in the Bay Area. The Raiders are not coming back to LA. The city and powers that be do not and did not like the crowd/criminal element which attached itself to the Raiders the first go round. Boneheaded vato gangbangers attached themselves to the Raiders and Dodgers (bleachers), making the home games undesireable places to take the family. Normal people do not enjoys being in a social setting littered with morons. The issue is voiced on LA sports talk shows on a regular basis. The Raiders are by far the dominate team in this state/region. The fan base is huge wherein the 9ers have only the bay and some parts of norcal. The Chargers SD period and even thats limited. The Raiders have fans all over the state and region. Oakland his their home, California/the west coast in their territory.
Fire Allen ! GO RAIDERS 2013/2014 ! Reggie Mc aka spots, you’re on notice !
December 5th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
8-8 is a helluva lot better than 4-12
December 5th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
It sure worked out well didnt it? Oh wait, the two 8-8 years are considered “working out” in your eyes.
Nevermind.
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I don’t know how any Raider fan can poo-poo an 8-8 record in the last 20 something years………….
December 5th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Kool kell=sullivan44=fangsraiders=ariansomething or whatever? Right? Seems like it
December 5th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Teams that have high aspirations consider 8-8 and 4-12 the same.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Raiders got caught with there pants down! Wasnt our fault someone spilled the beans while DAs dad died!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
There will only be one successful team this year,..and it wont be an 8-8 one.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Throw race into the fire and watch things get interesting and noticeably stupider
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Agreed.
Funny thing is I haven’t seen Mistic say anything about a “black” QB.
He has constantly said the athletic QB. Pointed out Tannehill, Luck, and Rogers MANY times.
OTHER poster bring up color and peg the athletic QB as a black thing.
“Cmon Mistic! Admit it, you only like black QBs”
How many times have you seen that directed TOWARDS Mistic.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
EYE!!’
December 5th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
KK-in the past weren’t you of the thought that 8-8 was no better than 4-12 because neither got the team into the play-offs and closer to winning the whole ball of wax?Didn’t you always say the only real winning was winning the last game played?
December 5th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Raiders ride this staff to next year??? Who wants to see that movie??? NOBODY
December 5th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Any fan missing and pining away for 8-8 seasons is a born loser….I would rather be 0-16,…thats how you get a real cure, not just a band aid.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Whatever! RAIDERS SUCK! One of the worst teams i EVER seen!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Danny,..go away for a couple years until is safe for you to watch again,..we wont even know youre gone.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Starbach Steve Young, Bradshaw and Tarkenton, were scrambling QB’s who took their teams to superbowls. Boddy Douglas, Archie Manning, Steve Grogan, Jim Zorn. All white scramblers who may not be seen as athletic by todays standards, however they were during their heyday.
In fact the greatest Raiders QB of all time, Kenny Stabler was a scrambler before messing up his knees.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Anyone who wants to stay this course should be fired! Its a car crash an no one wants to call an ambulance!!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Oakland Raiders wish to announce to our loyal and zealous fans that the exciting news that you heard about us making a bold move to help improve the product on the field was simply baseless and unfounded rumor. We wish to vehemently deny any reports that suggest we intend to energize a starved and demoralized fanbase now or in the foreseeable future.
Rumors suggesting we are pursuing anything other than lackluster, non impact players or that we will pursue any options that might offer you any sort of hope should be summarily dismissed.”
“We further want to say we find it preposterous that we would ever do anything that would serve to create a level of positive expectation in regard to the product on the field, or the direction of the team”..
We offer our sincere thanks and remind you that season tickets for 2013 will be on sale soon”.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Your MAMA!!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Just starting to get a chance?
I guess Fran Tarkenton didnt exist.
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Maybe some of these guys are youngsters and didn’t see them play.
I think it’s just more of an excitement to see more than JUST a Mike Vick here and there for some of these guys.
Again, I don’t see anything wrong with someone prefering more athletic QBs versus non athletic types.
It shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
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It wouldnt be that big of a deal, and it never was in the past, until race became the issue.
Nobody gave a crap that Flutie was getting a raw deal. It was a white on white crime.
Nobody gave a crap that Steve Young had to be molded into a “Gunslinger” in order to be effective.
Throw race into the fire and watch things get interesting and noticeably stupider at the same time.
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You’re totally missing the point. This has nothing to do with the “athletic QB”. Blacks weren’t getting the opportunity to play the position BECAUSE they were black! Why the hell do you think HOFer Warren Moon had to go to Canada and win 100 Grey Cups before he got his break?? Now that more are getting opportunities, you’re seeing more guys have success. I’ll always root for all of them because they got screwed for all those years.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
KK-in the past weren’t you of the thought that 8-8 was no better than 4-12 because neither got the team into the play-offs and closer to winning the whole ball of wax?Didn’t you always say the only real winning was winning the last game played?
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Context Lefty. I don’t remember the Raiders being 8-8 in some years.
No, I’m not of the opinion that getting into the playoffs means nothing. If that’s what you’re asking
December 5th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
With this staff???? I dont need to watch!!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
RaiderDanny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
With this staff???? I dont need to watch!!
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Then don’t,nobody will even know.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Or care!!!!!!!!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Gonna keep playing Palmer? What for? The seasons over, you gotta give TP some time before the draft?? Whole staff sucks! Including Reggie!! Not playing Ausberry? Could be the next Antonio Gates! Whatever!!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Throw race into the fire and watch things get interesting and noticeably stupider
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Agreed.
Funny thing is I haven’t seen Mistic say anything about a “black” QB.
He has constantly said the athletic QB. Pointed out Tannehill, Luck, and Rogers MANY times.
OTHER poster bring up color and peg the athletic QB as a black thing.
“Cmon Mistic! Admit it, you only like black QBs”
How many times have you seen that directed TOWARDS Mistic.
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At the end of the day, Mistic does an excellent job of backing up every one of his takes with solid FOOTBALL info. The guy can talk about any QB prospect and displays great understanding of college and pro offenses. People can question his motives all they want, but I have yet to see any one of them be able to stand up to him in a football debate. He’s kicked a lot of ass on here.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
After realizing the season was/is lost. Reggie Mc (spots) should begin the process of collecting pieces. Babin would have been a great start. Collecting a few available proven players with not much money coming to them affords the team an opportunity to evaluate the guy during the off season without much risk. The team has huge holes, mostly due to spots. The draft and free agency may not do the trick, especially considering how spots drafted this passed year couple with the pathetic free agents he signed. Spots would really be wise to try stacking the deck in his favor. Hiring a better coach/personnel evaluator who can cater a team to the players strenth will also also help. Curry is an example of a talented guy who would have been better with decent coaches. Bring in a linebacker coach like Singletary who’d biotch slap guys like Curry and McClain to make them better men an/ord players, like he did vernon davis
December 5th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Oakland Raiders wish to announce to our loyal and zealous fans that the exciting news that you heard about us making a bold move to help improve the product on the field was simply baseless and unfounded rumor. We wish to vehemently deny any reports that suggest we intend to energize a starved and demoralized fanbase now or in the foreseeable future.
Rumors suggesting we are pursuing anything other than lackluster, non impact players or that we will pursue any options that might offer you any sort of hope should be summarily dismissed.”
“We further want to say we find it preposterous that we would ever do anything that would serve to create a level of positive expectation in regard to the product on the field, or the direction of the team”..
We offer our sincere thanks and remind you that season tickets for 2013 will be on sale soon”.
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Lol! Is that original?
December 5th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
I’ve blown away missdick many times. It’s impossible to have good insight when ur so biased. He completely overhyped black guys and is ridiculously down on white guys. His rakes were certainly “amazing” when it came to Russell, Campbell, troy smith, etc. weren’t they? Nice try.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Here’s the perfect proof that missdick is full of garbage: he loves griffin, newton, and Pryor. We can see the similarities. But he also loves Wilson, who is not like them. But he is black. He’s racist. Period. And obsessed by the way. How much does he discuss ANYTHING else? And his ridiculous bashing of Palmer is laughable. Earlier today he posted that we were going to have to accept Palmer was toast. This is because Pryor dressed for a game. The guy is a doofus.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Curry was jettisoned out of Seattle and his knees were shot.Reggie said he watched tape on Babin and decided not to go after him.It seems many believe the administration is doing a bad job because they don’t pursue players they want.Let them do their jobs and evaluate them after seeing what they can accomplish.3/4 of a season isn’t enough time to make an educated decision,IMO.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Anyone catch me on 95.7 a few minutes ago?
December 5th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
The Young guys should play, TP, Ausberry, Chriner, and Streater can all be impact players or worthless. The only way we’ll know is to see them play in real games. So what if the team win 1 or 2 additional games. It’s already been established this is a lost season. Be smart and see what we have.
Note in the preseason I belioeve TP was the only QB on the roster to score points and/or shine.
Another example: Those habitual short passes to Meyers where they rely on him to run for the additional yards for 1st down have been moronic. Great for his stats but terrible for the team as they kill drives. The throws usually occur on third down. Meyers is one of the slowest guys on the field. Expecting him to run for first downs is moronic. Conversely, the same play using Ausberry who’s much faster, maybe they might have a chance to work.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Another example: Those habitual short passes to Meyers where they rely on him to run for the additional yards for 1st down have been moronic. Great for his stats but terrible for the team as they kill drives. The throws usually occur on third down. Meyers is one of the slowest guys on the field. Expecting him to run for first downs is moronic. Conversely, the same play using Ausberry who’s much faster, maybe they might have a chance to work.
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And if the QB tried to force the ball to a covered WR down the field and it was an incompletion or worse an int,you’d be all over him for that.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Another example: Those habitual short passes to Meyers where they rely on him to run for the additional yards for 1st down have been moronic. Great for his stats but terrible for the team as they kill drives. The throws usually occur on third down. Meyers is one of the slowest guys on the field. Expecting him to run for first downs is moronic. Conversely, the same play using Ausberry who’s much faster, maybe they might have a chance to work.
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Knapp insists on throwing the ball under the defense, no matter how close to the line they’re playing
December 5th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Oakland Raiders wish to announce to our loyal and zealous fans that the exciting news that you heard about us making a bold move to help improve the product on the field was simply baseless and unfounded rumor. We wish to vehemently deny any reports that suggest we intend to energize a starved and demoralized fanbase now or in the foreseeable future.
Rumors suggesting we are pursuing anything other than lackluster, non impact players or that we will pursue any options that might offer you any sort of hope should be summarily dismissed.”
“We further want to say we find it preposterous that we would ever do anything that would serve to create a level of positive expectation in regard to the product on the field, or the direction of the team”..
We offer our sincere thanks and remind you that season tickets for 2013 will be on sale soon”.
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LOL
December 5th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Time to ride the Krapp out of town.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
And if the QB tried to force the ball to a covered WR down the field and it was an incompletion or worse an int,you’d be all over him for that.
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yUUUUUUUUppp
December 5th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Michael Vick in the silver and black in 13
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Vick, the coach killer. lol. PASS!
December 5th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Gdog,
Yeah. It’s my way of being sarcastic.
I do understand the limitations (excuses) that the staff has to deal with, but we have been trained to accept always getting less.
I took a step back to look at this and see it from another perspective.
The Gruden thing. If there were a poll taken from the enitre Raider fanbase and we were asked if we would be excited and energized by news of the return of Jon Gruden to the Raiders i would bet that Gruden would get over 80% saying “yes”.
The Raiders must know this when they see the overwhelming response he had at the torch lighting and just the general favorable opinion of Raiders fans have of him in general, and it seems they can’t wait to douse that excitement in the strongest terms possible.
Maybe they would have no shot at him in the first place and it’s not part of any future plan anyway…and they are committed to “staying the course” with DA come hell or high water, but at the end of the day it’s just another example in a long line of fan disappointments. Regardless if it’s fair , to “blame” them or not, it remains after the smoke clears to be yet another letdown for the fans who are looking for ANYTHING to get excited about.
It’s just funny how they are so quick to vehemently distance themselves from the most popular figure in this org. in the last 20 yr’s.
It’s like “you know that thing you guys were so excited about possibly happening…WELL FORGET IT…NO WAY”.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
J Hill Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Just starting to get a chance?
I guess Fran Tarkenton didnt exist.
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Maybe some of these guys are youngsters and didn’t see them play.
I think it’s just more of an excitement to see more than JUST a Mike Vick here and there for some of these guys.
Again, I don’t see anything wrong with someone prefering more athletic QBs versus non athletic types.
It shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
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It wouldnt be that big of a deal, and it never was in the past, until race became the issue.
Nobody gave a crap that Flutie was getting a raw deal. It was a white on white crime.
Nobody gave a crap that Steve Young had to be molded into a “Gunslinger” in order to be effective.
Throw race into the fire and watch things get interesting and noticeably stupider at the same time.
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You’re totally missing the point. This has nothing to do with the “athletic QB”. Blacks weren’t getting the opportunity to play the position BECAUSE they were black! Why the hell do you think HOFer Warren Moon had to go to Canada and win 100 Grey Cups before he got his break?? Now that more are getting opportunities, you’re seeing more guys have success. I’ll always root for all of them because they got screwed for all those years.
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No, youre missing the point. Go read my post before the one you quoted of mine. I already said that blacks we’re getting their fair chance to learn the position and thus infiltrate the college and pro ranks. There’s no use in repeating it every time I post. Me and JHill were having a conversation. Dont take something out of context and then say Im missing the point when it’s clear you missed most of the convo.
Im well aware that the black athlete was getting screwed for a long time. That is a separate issue to the “athletic QB” not getting a fair shake.
Neither one was getting any notice until the two topics were combined. Thats a fact.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Knapp insists on throwing the ball under the defense, no matter how close to the line they’re playing
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Or sideways (horizontal) for usually minus yards. Simply breathtaking.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
As for Mistic having a bias towards black QBs, JHill, if you dont notice it, then youre not really reading his posts. But then again, I dont blame you. It’s the same slanted dribble over and over again.
Mistic hurts his cause more than he helps it. Which is unfortunate.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Posted a few hours ago after the Raider organization issued a statement.
By Footballweekly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AULa2L6t030&feature=g-all-c
December 5th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Anyone catch me on 95.7 a few minutes ago?
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Not me, I’m to far out at sea.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Another example: Those habitual short passes to Meyers where they rely on him to run for the additional yards for 1st down have been moronic. Great for his stats but terrible for the team as they kill drives. The throws usually occur on third down. Meyers is one of the slowest guys on the field. Expecting him to run for first downs is moronic. Conversely, the same play using Ausberry who’s much faster, maybe they might have a chance to work.
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Knapp insists on throwing the ball under the defense, no matter how close to the line they’re playing
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Show me one video of Knapp throwing the ball. EVER. To my knowledge, he’s never played a down in the NFL.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
An e-mail from Raiders director media relations Zak Gilbert on the “rumor” that Jon Gruden could be rejoining the Raiders . . .
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I’d like to know if that is a credible source, or email for that matter. Lot of bogus emails and spam out there. Just sayin. Hope Jer confirmed it before he bought it.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Grudens’ significant position = HC/OC/Dir. of player personel
December 5th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Grudens’ significant position = HC/OC/Dir. of player personel
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Lets hope not.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Has DA been fired yet?
December 5th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Has DA been fired yet?
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Too early – Reggie wants that #1 draft pick
December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
javier Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Posted a few hours ago after the Raider organization issued a statement.
By Footballweekly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AULa2L6t030&feature=g-all-c
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Actually that piece was on their site earlier this afternoon well before the Raiders statement tonight.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Test
December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Good God, could they have telegraphed this press release any more.
It is like the Raiders PR exec standing on top of Mount Davis with a Bullhorn and screaming at the top of his lungs…
Hire Gruden…Why never…no no no, Not us.
Smacks of desperation and trying very hard to smooth over an ugly situation with the passing of DA’s father.
Using DA’s father’s passing as a leverage point in the press release is no better than canning DA for Gruden right now.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
We don’t know until season’s end if there is any truth to the Gruden rumors.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
*de-lurks*
Evening Nation!
Have you guys seen the commercial that’s been running lately in which a short middle-aged bald white guy named Michael Jordan keeps going into places or running into people who expect him to be Michael Jordan the basketball star and get all bummed? At least I think the name is Michael Jordan, it may be another celebrity.
Anyhow, I couldn’t help but think that the same organization could run a different ad in the Oakland area except have a guy who doesn’t look anything like Jon Gruden run into Oakland residents who are hoping it’s the real Jon Gruden. It might provide the same amusement!
Ehh, I guess you’d have to see the MJ commercial. It’s amusing.
Back to the madness……
December 5th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Al Davis has been dead for about 1 year and the team is trying to dig itself out of the mess he left it in and fans? want everyone fired because everything isn’t fixed already.It has taken TB 4 years and 2 HCs to recuperate from the mess they were left with when Gruden was fired yet many see him as the savior in Oakland.SMH
December 5th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Strange what this blog moderates at times. Had a very harmless comment, no cussing, no politics, no external links, etc. Just football. IT JUST WILL NOT POST.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
It looks like Hub Arkush is standing by his report though despite the vehement Raiders denial.
The video piece is still up on PFW’s site. The original one from earlier today.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Kiwi_Blade Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Has DA been fired yet?
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Too early – Reggie wants that #1 draft pick
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
December 5th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Lefty – when is it the coach making a mess and when is it Al Davis. You blamed both in one comment. I think posters in here often pick and choose what to believe based on their own biases.
If Al Davis left us the current mess, he also left us the mess after Gruden’s departure. Nobody can tell me that was all Gruden’s doing and Al had no hand in it, but the current mess is Al’s doing alone. We all know how EVERYTHING went through Al.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
TSR,Gruden left TB in a total mess while he had control over the roster and many want to bring him back fix the mess we have.My question is what makes everyone believe he will be the savior?His history shows he shouldn’t be allowed to control the roster.He is a good coach,but I don’t want him anywhere near any personnel decisions.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofp-g-3upz8
December 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Regardless of what this guy Hub knows, he has no class for saying this the day of Allen’s father’s passing. He could have waited until next week. Like it has been mentioned by others, nobody is going to talk publicly until the season is over. Let’s see if we can win another game. It’s been a disgusting season.
Denver 31, Raiders 17.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Well, I would agree with you there, Lefty. I also don’t want him anywhere near personnel decisions. If that is what is being proposed, I’m not in favor. As a HC alone, however, I think he’d be a great re-hire.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Beach Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Regardless of what this guy Hub knows, he has no class for saying this the day of Allen’s father’s passing. He could have waited until next week. Like it has been mentioned by others, nobody is going to talk publicly until the season is over. Let’s see if we can win another game. It’s been a disgusting season.
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I think it was the day before, but I agree nonetheless. At the same time, playing devil’s advocate, if he held onto it he risked someone else leaking it first.
In the end, sucks that this firestorm started in parallel with DA’s loss.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
seems to me that it’s likely mark davis talked with gruden when he was here. mark is his father’s son so he’s not gonna sit by and watch for long when he doesn’t like something. but he’s also not really wanting to have to do this very much. i really think the allure of gruden, beyond excitement in the fan base, would be that he could rest assured that he could hire gruden and be done for 5 years. if gruden went 3-13 next year, so what. the fans would be patient cuz it’s gruden.
i could easily see him saying “jon, what do u want to come here?” and giving it to him.
he would with certainty that he has a good coach and someone who can build a winner. he could down to palm desert and relax.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Insider: Asomugha has let down Eagles defense.
• “The Eagles cut Jason Babin because they are making plans for next year already. They have to play their young guys. When you have bad secondary and corner play, your pass rush is in trouble. The whole defense is predicated on having physical corners. I would have benched Nnamdi Asomugha last year. It takes a blind man not to see it. He turns down contact and gets away with it. There is no accountability, and the players see it.”
December 5th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Reggie wants Geno
Needs the #1 pick to get him.
He had a chat with DA today.
Told him to carry on – it’s all going to plan.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
*tumbleweed bounces through*
December 5th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
*pin drops*
December 5th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
*custodian passes through pushing his broom*
December 5th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
this rumor has no validity whatsoever.
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You idiots make me sick. Everyone that jumped on this idiotic rumour are now Whiner fans.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
wind chimes
December 5th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT50eLLxPco
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one of the best commercials of all time. i wonder if blogging counts.
btw, bugs at :40 is AWESOME!
December 5th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RIC BUCHER is on 95.7 the game right now saying he is standing by the story.
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Looks like we found the Bronco fan.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
good acquisitions by reggie:
ross
bilukidi
burris
wheeler
bergstrom
goodson
stewart
criner
streater
so-so:
bartell
hanson
francies
carter
crawford
tollefson
olawale
nix
burnett
clayton
gaither
leinart
schmitt
hagan
bad:
adams
brisiel
smith
December 5th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RIC BUCHER is on 95.7 the game right now saying he is standing by the story.
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Looks like we found the Bronco fan.
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December 5th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
bucher backing the story, with his espn connections, is especially interesting, seeing as how gruden is employed by espn.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RIC BUCHER is on 95.7 the game right now saying he is standing by the story.
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Looks like we found the Bronco fan.
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Do me a favor. Find everyone that jumped on that rumour and ran with it on this blog. I know this ass hole ran with it. I will take it from there.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Yeah, Doc, that’s a good commercial. My favorite is the very first Capital One commercial starring the Vikings/Goths/whatever. They all are ready to pillage and plunder and the guy who owns the house pulls out his CO card. Then the Vikings get all bummed and have to go home empty-handed.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
why so hostile about it?
December 5th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drqO8aySdFg
December 5th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
I hadn’t thought about the wind chimes. I was going to post *a tree falls in the IBA forest and a Raider fan isn’t there to hear it* but didn’t.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
I hadda laugh at the post I read in the last day in which someone said there’s whole lot of Gruden fans looking up the word “validity” in the dictionary to see if there’s any “wiggle room” in the definition.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:00 am
http://www.thelantern.com/mobile/sports/jon-gruden-says-pryor-is-freak-of-nature-can-be-nfl-quarterback-1.2189810 … Check out this piece I dug up where chucky shares his thoughts on Tp6 and his feelings toward coaching again someday… Im telling you signing gruden would be the best thing to ever happen to tp6 because jon will give him chance and put him in position to be successful. Im stoked, all the signs point to jon coming back home and with the weapons we have on O i know hed do wonders with this team.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:02 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
good acquisitions by reggie:
ross
bilukidi
burris
wheeler
bergstrom
goodson
stewart
criner
streater
so-so:
bartell
hanson
francies
carter
crawford
tollefson
olawale
nix
burnett
clayton
gaither
leinart
schmitt
hagan
bad:
adams
brisiel
smith
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Criner, streater or goodson have not proven that they are “good” yet
December 6th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Raidertalk Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:02 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
good acquisitions by reggie:
ross
bilukidi
burris
wheeler
bergstrom
goodson
stewart
criner
streater
so-so:
bartell
hanson
francies
carter
crawford
tollefson
olawale
nix
burnett
clayton
gaither
leinart
schmitt
hagan
bad:
adams
brisiel
smith
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Criner, streater or goodson have not proven that they are “good” yet
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they’ve shown promise and flashes of ability. they can not be categorized as so-so or bad.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:04 am
G’night from the right coast!
December 6th, 2012 at 12:04 am
“Terrelle Pryor can run and he can throw and he’s a hell of a competitor,” Gruden said. “You might have to cater your offense, to a degree, towards his strengths, but I think this guy can develop his passing.
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Gee, imagine that. Catering to your players’ strengths.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:06 am
#291: every player noted so-so by you is terribel by my standards. Bergstrom Good ? When has he played and what has he done. Burris started off well, now he’s being ran over and manhandled weekly like Stuart Schweigert.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Post 304 amen! Coach knapp you listening?
December 6th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Try Some Reality Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:04 am
“Terrelle Pryor can run and he can throw and he’s a hell of a competitor,” Gruden said. “You might have to cater your offense, to a degree, towards his strengths, but I think this guy can develop his passing.
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Gee, imagine that. Catering to your players’ strengths.
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yes. we should definitely design our defense to be more “jogger-friendly” and quit expecting mcclain to “go tackle someone”.
LOL.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:09 am
Post 305 @derek id 2nd that…
December 6th, 2012 at 12:09 am
Derek Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:06 am
#291: every player noted so-so by you is terribel by my standards. Bergstrom Good ? When has he played and what has he done. Burris started off well, now he’s being ran over and manhandled weekly like Stuart Schweigert.
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bergstrom qualifies as a “good” acquisition. not because he is good as an nfl player yet, but because he is young and has shown that he might be a player.
the so-so acquisitions are guys that really have made no big difference on our team, have no real upside, or haven’t shown much as a rookie yet.
the bad acquisitions are guys who have outright been poor and have hurt us badly.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:14 am
Reggie’s good acquisitions:
None.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:14 am
Hub Arkush the Gurden “Rumor” starter sounds legit. May be TRUE.
Check out 95.7 the game podcast.
Hub Arkush talks Jon Gruden’s interest to return to the sideline
http://www.957thegame.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6147207
December 6th, 2012 at 12:15 am
good acquisitions by reggie:
ross—shows some promise as a 1st year DB with flexibility to play CB or FS.
bilukidi—has contributed, has tools, and upside.
burris—played very well early, especially for a 4th rounder. rookie struggles.
wheeler—top tackler. good player.
bergstrom—has contributed, has tools, and upside.
goodson—when given the ball, has done nicely.
stewart—shown some ability to be a keeper.
criner—coming on as of late.
streater—played a lot for a UDFA. big td last week.
so-so:
bartell—marginal starting caliber CB.
hanson—marginal nickel man.
francies—decent kick returner
carter—hasn’t done much.
crawford—has some upside but nothing really yet.
tollefson—in rotation but no big deal.
olawale—don’t know yet.
nix—hasn’t played much but did make team as UDFA.
burnett—who knows
clayton—who knows
gaither—journeyman
leinart—decent backup
schmitt—journeyman
hagan—journeyman
bad:
adams—horrible return man
brisiel—blown away repeatedly
smith—this guy got them excited?
December 6th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:14 am
Reggie’s good acquisitions:
None.
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u have no credibility. u only have one thing to say.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:18 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:14 am
Reggie’s good acquisitions:
None.
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u have no credibility. u only have one thing to say.
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u don’t objectively discuss anything. ur as bad as missdick really. reggie sucks, reggie sucks, reggie sucks. it’s all u contribute.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:20 am
Your list lacks credibility.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:22 am
Doc rob im sorry to tell you this but bergstroms a scrub, couldnt beat out mike briesel or willie smith and he was our highest draft pick this year. Burris is also a scrub hes missed quite a few tackles and he left jeremy graham wide open in the endzone, goodson is a backup nothing more nothing less, wheeler is average no game changer by any means… Reggies earned a d- thus far as gm nothing hes touched has turned to gold, he surely doesnt have tne midas touch by far. His coaching hire has been a bust, hes added no game changers to the team… I wouldnt be upset if he was replaced along with Da at the end of the season.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:23 am
Word.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:26 am
“The Greatness of The Raiders is in it`s future“
Al Davis [rip]
December 6th, 2012 at 12:29 am
That list shows just how awful a gm reggie is in my mind. None of those players are impact players. Streater isnt much of an upgrade over lou murph if you as me and criner isnt mu,h of an upgrade over chaz schilens… Reggie best aquisition thus far has been wheeler and thats not saying much. He fired all those coaches and players and none of his moves have proven to be upgrades, we’re either the same or worst in most areas. Hes improved nothing since hes been here.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:31 am
Exactly.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:31 am
FireReggieNow!
December 6th, 2012 at 12:41 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
I personally enjoy rampant speculation and talking possibilities etc. It’s part of the fun; especially when we have no free agents to talk about or playoffs to consider.
I’m not a fan of bogus reports per se, but my job as a fan is to enjoy football however i want. Some enjoy dissecting the “process” of building a franchise and i do too, and some don’t mind putting their Raider joy on hold for a few more years. To each his own i guess.
I love the rush of us acquiring a big name free agent who i think will really help us. I don’t know how often i’ll be able to enjoy THAT particular aspect with this regime going forward, but there is a serious drought going on of ANY good news coming from the front office of this org. in quite some time and there sure as heck hasn’t been any on the field.
Nobody puts a gun to my head and forces me to be a fan of this org. but sometimes this org. makes me want to put a gun to my head myself.
I’m kidding of course, but i’ve forgotten what it’s like to have that rush of excitement that comes from something really good happening to my favorite sports team.
For a second there this Gruden thing did it for me…then the reality set in.
Sorry, but the long and lengthy process of acquiring no name players and listening to the uninspiring words of boring coaches and front office personnel as i’m being told to be “patient”, just doesn’t do it for me.
It’s just all so boring and bad. That’s a bad combo.
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Perfectly said
December 6th, 2012 at 12:50 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:22 am
Doc rob im sorry to tell you this but bergstroms a scrub, couldnt beat out mike briesel or willie smith and he was our highest draft pick this year. Burris is also a scrub hes missed quite a few tackles and he left jeremy graham wide open in the endzone, goodson is a backup nothing more nothing less, wheeler is average no game changer by any means… Reggies earned a d- thus far as gm nothing hes touched has turned to gold, he surely doesnt have tne midas touch by far. His coaching hire has been a bust, hes added no game changers to the team… I wouldnt be upset if he was replaced along with Da at the end of the season.
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see, this is where u show that u don’t know what ur talking about. i didn’t post the list to support reggie. it’s an objective view of his acquisitions. but apparently anyone who isn’t a star is a scrub, and that’s when ur opinion stops counting.
bergstrom may have been our first pick, but who cares? he was a 3rd rounder. his projection was that he was likely to become a starter by the end of the season or most likely by year two. he has matched that projection. saying he was a good acquisition doesn’t mean he was ever thought to be a pro-bowler. it means a potentially quality player and has a future here.
burris has shown recent rookie struggles but again, who cares. he was a 4th rounder and is way above where he should be. he has all the looks of being a quality player for years to come.
with this “everyone sucks” nonsense, u show an inability to be objective. so, ur input is meaningless.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:53 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:22 am
Doc rob im sorry to tell you this but bergstroms a scrub, couldnt beat out mike briesel or willie smith and he was our highest draft pick this year.
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just not even an ounce of understanding real football. there was simply no way he was going to play in front of the veteran brisiel, cuz he was signed to be the starter. and bergstrom had worked at guard almost exclusively in anticipation of replacing carlisle down the road. when we picked up smith, the coaches for some reason thought they had a quality sleeper, cuz he had starting experience and could step right in. only after he failed did they even start working bergstrom there.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:54 am
Reggie’s approach to building a team is to collect the most vanilla, least exciting names possible so as not to “miss” on a big name and have a built in excuse when the Briesel’s of the world flop.
DA’s coaching style is to impliment the most vanilla schemes possible (see: Gregg Knapp). How in the world can any franchise expect their fans (especially success starved Raider fans) to support this crock much longer? Mark Davis can’t let this go on much longer. Al Davis certainly wouldn’t.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:57 am
#316 I agree with you in a major way. Reggie Mc aka Spots failed to acquire ONE relevent player in the off season. He dumped alittle waste, but failed to fill any spot on the roster with an above average player. He then took forever to ultimately hire the worse coach in Raiders history. Then that same coach hired a pathetic staff and implimented schemes contrary to the teams talents. Spots never stepped in or if he did it was extremely too late. In all honesty Spots appears to be a guy in over his head as well.
Spots has done nothing right up to this point. I might be wise to stop wasting time with him as well.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:01 am
#325: Man vanilla does sell in the NFL these days and the Raiders are as vanilla as it gets.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:01 am
ok doc rob if you say so… Fact is these players have done nothing all season. How many sacks does burris have? Picks or forced fumbles for that matter? How many pancake blocks does berg have? What ave these guys contributed to the team besides another tally in the loss column? My point is they havent contributed much so how can you consider them good aquisitions? They just make up the talent that we lack they everbody talks about.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:03 am
Derek Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:01 am
#325: Man vanilla does sell in the NFL these days and the Raiders are as vanilla as it gets.
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True, but it only works when you’re 9-3, not 3-9.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:11 am
326 exactly and all he has is excuses. Well we aint have no depth, we aint have no cap space, its only my first year blah blah… Even with all that it doesnt excuse the whiff he made hiring this god awful coaching staff.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:13 am
Reggie has shown a pattern of poor decision making.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:17 am
Poor decision making all across the board… Hes succeeded nowhere.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:23 am
Reggie must be stopped.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:31 am
Cant go to the store with 10 bucks and start buying things that cost 50,Reggies hands were tied his 1st season so judge not too fast guys,he and the HC had little time to get who they really wanted,Reg needs Eliot Wolf to go with Heron,the scouts need one year at least to evaluate the talent that fits the new vision of Raider football
December 6th, 2012 at 1:35 am
Reggie’s version of Raider football is unwatchable.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:42 am
Again Reg had no real time or cash to put out what he really wanted,what we are seeing is a whole season of pre-season and evaluation unwatchable yes, but its needed to clear decks,so we have more cash next season
December 6th, 2012 at 2:15 am
Out of 13 nfl coaches who have had won multiple titles only 4 of them had better than .500 record , including one hall of famer who won 2 sbs was winless in his rookie year , not trying say DA will def turn out to be like one of them but just don’t make decisions based on over-reactions lol ,you can never judge a coach in his rookie year especially in the the year the resources were limited due to effed up managing decisions from past 10 years*** again ,not trying to connect anything,just saying
December 6th, 2012 at 2:16 am
Only 4 of them had better than .500 record in their rookie years,only 1 had more than 10 wins *******
December 6th, 2012 at 2:24 am
Not many Super Bowl Winners had better than .500 in rookie years but due to the contrary belief you would think, they started out strong or stuff , coaches who have had losing seasons in rookie years have more combined Super Bowls than coaches who had winning years in Rookie seasons, just saying how unpredictable this is , I guess you guys would have put anyone with 8-8 it 9-7 record in hOF lol
December 6th, 2012 at 2:30 am
Anyways I hope you guys think about stuff rationally, but it hurts me to see the Nation want exactly what they hated Al for , firing coaches year after head, not that I’m worried that DA will not be here cuz i doubt reg will listen to some people who have never been anything other than coach Gms , DA will be here next year fo sho, I would not put any ceiling on DAs career moving forward, sky is the limit , despite the contrary belief that coaches can make these guys better pass rushers , you guys will find out why teams place pass rushers just behind Qb’s in draft , just watch how DAmontre Moore makes this D look so much better with his pass rushing skills
December 6th, 2012 at 2:31 am
Couch gm’s ^^^**
December 6th, 2012 at 3:00 am
Mcfadden 20,
Whats the minimum amount of wins needed next year for DA to retain his job?
December 6th, 2012 at 3:23 am
Go to bed mc20 reggie and Da are scrubs and theres nothing you can do about it. Theyve had an entire year to prove themselves and all tney have proven s that theyre failures at everything. Get em out of here it doesnt take me a lifetime to recognize a clown when I see 1. Weve seen enough get the coffee maker out of here and let him go general manage a starbucks or somethin.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:27 am
“couch gms” hell I cud manage a team to 3-13 if thats your standard.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:49 am
Im ready to roll, ready to rock, Showered and dressed in my finest Raider gear and I will sit on my butt and watch and watch the Raiders shock the world by whipping the mules and whip[ping them hard.
Don’t say it cannot be done. Mister Davis left us the blueprint for beating them. The QB must go down and go down hard.
Raiders 28
mulestink 27
December 6th, 2012 at 3:49 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:23 am
Go to bed mc20 reggie and Da are scrubs and theres nothing you can do about it. Theyve had an entire year to prove themselves and all tney have proven s that theyre failures at everything. Get em out of here it doesnt take me a lifetime to recognize a clown when I see 1. Weve seen enough get the coffee maker out of here and let him go general manage a starbucks or somethin.
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LOL. wow, a whole year, eh? well, actually only 2/3 of a season.
and there’s a little bit in between a year and lifetime.
i’m not necessarily saying they deserve credit for anything but a lot of u guys were ready to fire them after game 1.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:51 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:49 am
Im ready to roll, ready to rock, Showered and dressed in my finest Raider gear and I will sit on my butt and watch and watch the Raiders shock the world by whipping the mules and whip[ping them hard.
Don’t say it cannot be done. Mister Davis left us the blueprint for beating them. The QB must go down and go down hard.
Raiders 28
mulestink 27
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umm. yeah. but we don’t exactly get to qb very well. and it is peyton manning, he of the quick decisions and quick release.
i’m hopeful but this might be ugly.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:52 am
Whats the minimum amount of wins needed next year for DA to retain his job?
7 is the magic number however the team has to show improvement, no more blowouts.
Raiders have to compete in every game. Prove that the ZBS is improving.And most important that dam defense has to be in the top 15 at the least
December 6th, 2012 at 3:54 am
mc20–these guys are just running off at the mouth. understandable to an extent but not at all based on objectivity. just very reactionary.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:55 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:52 am
Whats the minimum amount of wins needed next year for DA to retain his job?
7 is the magic number however the team has to show improvement, no more blowouts.
Raiders have to compete in every game. Prove that the ZBS is improving.And most important that dam defense has to be in the top 15 at the least
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is that all?
December 6th, 2012 at 4:04 am
qodrn1…
here are the predictions from week 11, i did the hunting for you
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SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
Raiders 33 – Bengals 27
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GG Says:
November 23rd, 2012 at 5:25 am
I think I won last week’s tipping contest.
This week…
Bengals 34
Raiders 16
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Raider E Says:
November 23rd, 2012 at 10:33 am
These guys have mailed it in. They are done playing for DA.
Bengals – 31
Raiders – 9
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Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 23rd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
I picked a Raider victory last week. F*ck it, I’m doing it again:
Raiders 20
Bengals 17
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MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 23rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
For DA’s sake
Raiders-27
Bengals-23
Reality
Raiders-27
Bengals-41
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Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
November 24th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Palmer is a loser.
A loser is a loser.
Bengals 45 Raiders 27
Just Win Baby.
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December 6th, 2012 at 4:09 am
Yeap sure as hell wanted to fire him from game 1 and so far weve all been justified because the team hasnt improved a pinch since they got here things have just gotten worse. Could tell soon as he fired hue this guy was going to be a disaster. He came in changing things before he ever even got to know the team like a dumb sack of shh. You dont change things unless you already have a plan and the accessories needed to make that plan work. His arrogance that because he worked in greenbay he knew more than anyone in this organization whod been here for years what needed to be done to win turned me off. He didnt keep anybody from the previous staff who could help him transition and give him pointers on whos who or what not he just came in like im reggie and worked in greenbay so im better and know more than all of you so get out. But thing is this isnt greenbay, and what worked there isnt neccessarily gonna work here you have to know your team/PLAYERS
December 6th, 2012 at 4:22 am
If he knew anything hed know the team was better suited for a power blocking scheme, hed of known greg knapp was here before and stripped of his duties as oc because he lacked imagination and his play calling hampered our most dangerous weapon. Hed of known huff was our best option at corner this year like hue said because of our personell but no, we get “im reggie I came from greenbay so I know more than anybody, even the guy whos been watching these guys in practice everyday for the past 2 years”. Only to eventually start huff at corner. Hes been wrong since he got here, if he was fired im telling you he would not be missed.
December 6th, 2012 at 4:29 am
That is not asking much. I expected most of that to happen this year.
But theres no doubt that the DA will turn this around
December 6th, 2012 at 4:30 am
Most of the guys at my barber shop are niner fans and all they talk about is how retarded our gm looks and sounds and how dumb he was for getting rid of hue and how sorry Da is. Even they can see whats wrong with the raiders only dilusional fans cant who try and psych themselves into believing DA is a real coach because of their loyalty and passion for the team.
December 6th, 2012 at 4:33 am
Reggie is gonna load this team up with dedicated boar hunters. That’s his best ability, according to him.
He wants depth on both sides of the field. We just have to give him three years to see if he is worth it
December 6th, 2012 at 4:35 am
I mean these are niner fans and instead of really giving me a hard time they talk about how sorry they feel for me. Smh they have pity on me.
December 6th, 2012 at 4:38 am
Plunketthead I hope youre right but hes given me no reason to have much faith. I have yet to see any of these boar hunters… Just practice squad heroes and average joes.
December 6th, 2012 at 4:40 am
JB
I could care less about ninerfan. They don’t know jacksquat, just like the majority of people everywhere including the semis.
Judging someone by how he looks and speaks is as bad as judging them by the color of their skin. He is not a movie star.
Is it just me or does it seem like more people care about how someone looks or acts then results. I hear people complaining that so and so does not show any fire or passion.
December 6th, 2012 at 4:43 am
I would rather look at the glass as half full then half empty.
I don’t do that with everything in life but I learned to do it with the Raiders a long time ago. When they lose I am disappointed, lately even a little depressed but a good nights sleep ends it.
If I went into every game thinking that coaches and GMs and players were lousy and we are gonna lose, I would not enjoy myself so I choose to ignore the bad stuff and be positive.
I understand some people are not wired like that. I guess I am just lucky
December 6th, 2012 at 4:47 am
Niner fan is on a run but I bet they bounce back to earth soon. When you are that loaded you have to strike now. If they don’t make the SB this year, their chances diminish.
More players will leave for fat paychecks and they have a somewhat nice QB problem. Colin has looked great so far but teams will start planning for him like they do on Cam so we will have to see what happens.
December 6th, 2012 at 4:54 am
Mackenzie: hello Dennis please sit down and lets review what you’ve accomplished during your first 90 days.
Allen: well we’ve worked. We’ve worked a lot. To improve. This team is working to improve how they work and penalties are down.
Mackenzie: I see. And what else? Mark says its not good enough. That we suk in just about every way imaginable. His hair was on fire.
Allen: we are working. Except Rolando – does he even care? And Seymour, he sees more days off than anyone I know! But he’s our leader.
Mckenzie: what about November? Nobody can remember a November like that!
Allen: well wait till we play my boss Thursday night. You ain’t seen nothin! He’s great and he’s such a joker too his after the game comments crack me up for hours!
December 6th, 2012 at 4:58 am
I just can’t figure out why you tear apart the #5 Oline in the league, like they grow on trees.
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amongst all the racism from everyone last night, Kell brings in a football comment?
I agree. the OL was just starting to “get it” and gel. We finally found a quality pair of O-Line coaches.
then we change the system/scheme and coaches. Then add in some fresh faces (Brisiel, Bergstrom, Smith, Nix, etc) and cut ties with Satele, Heyer and crew
feels like we’re starting all over from scratch
December 6th, 2012 at 5:00 am
Reggie’s just plugged holes this year….rebuilding starts this offseason…. Lots of one year contracts this year…..gotta expect some blood with an operation….. And that’s what we’re seeing now…….. We think this team has more talent than it really has…..half this team will be gone next season…
December 6th, 2012 at 5:05 am
Somehow I hope these guys can play somewhat like they did against the Falcons tonight….. They’re gonna have to dig down deep
December 6th, 2012 at 5:10 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 4:58 am
I just can’t figure out why you tear apart the #5 Oline in the league, like they grow on trees.
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amongst all the racism from everyone last night, Kell brings in a football comment?
I agree. the OL was just starting to “get it” and gel. We finally found a quality pair of O-Line coaches.
then we change the system/scheme and coaches. Then add in some fresh faces (Brisiel, Bergstrom, Smith, Nix, etc) and cut ties with Satele, Heyer and crew
feels like we’re starting all over from scratch
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Agreed. The Knapp hire continues to baffle me. That’s on Reggie though, he signed off on it.
December 6th, 2012 at 5:17 am
I think we’re gonna see Knapp, Tarver and Hoffman gone after the season ends …
December 6th, 2012 at 5:19 am
367. Hopefully Al Saunders sticks around and we get a proven DC to help Allen out.
December 6th, 2012 at 5:19 am
They probably thought the switch to the ZBS would go a little smoother and they felt it was best in the long run. maybe they plan on spending more money on Defense
Only reasons I can think of.
December 6th, 2012 at 5:20 am
..but I’m not convinced ANY of the staff goes. Reggie doesn’t seem like the type to rock the boat. He may just keep them all for continuity’s sake, which I think would be a mistake.
December 6th, 2012 at 5:21 am
Knapp gets a lot of heat in here for the ZBS, but he seems to give up on the run early, even in the close games.
December 6th, 2012 at 5:22 am
Tracer seems to think ” the Guys are flying around” is enough…..
I don’t know how many blown coverages we’ve seen this year but I never remember seeing it this bad…. Gonna be a huge turnover on defense….. I hope..
December 6th, 2012 at 5:24 am
2-14… I couldn’t believe how soon knapp gave up on the run last Sunday…. It was working…
December 6th, 2012 at 5:24 am
372…Tarver*
December 6th, 2012 at 5:32 am
With all the turnover expected this offseason, we should probably resign ourselves to another debacle of a season in 2013.
December 6th, 2012 at 5:40 am
373.fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 5:24 am
2-14… I couldn’t believe how soon knapp gave up on the run last Sunday…. It was working…
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I dont think they have confidence in Stewarts ability to carry a full games load, and Reece was banged up. I think that’s why they moved away from the run.
December 6th, 2012 at 5:44 am
Palmer can’t throw 50 times a game….. They better have a run game tonight ..
December 6th, 2012 at 5:46 am
Haven’t seen the line this morning… But yesterday it was 10.5 when I looked….suprised it’s not 14 or more favoring the Donks
December 6th, 2012 at 5:50 am
From Florio at PFT
“I didn’t consider Coach Allen’s personal situation when someone pointed out that Arkush had pushed the Gruden-to-Oakland rumor Tuesday afternoon on WSCR in Chicago. I should have. I likely helped make it a bigger story than it otherwise would have been, and I apologize to the Raiders and to Coach Allen for writing about the story on the same day his father passed.”
December 6th, 2012 at 5:53 am
bcz24 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 5:40 am
373.fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 5:24 am
2-14… I couldn’t believe how soon knapp gave up on the run last Sunday…. It was working…
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I dont think they have confidence in Stewarts ability to carry a full games load, and Reece was banged up. I think that’s why they moved away from the run.
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Not sure why Knapp would lose confidence in Stewart when he was averaging 5.1 yds on 9 carries. It wasn’t like we were getting blown out but yet Palmer threw it 55 times.
Knapp is the worst!
Goodmorning!
December 6th, 2012 at 5:54 am
Fingers Says:
I think we’re gonna see Knapp, Tarver and Hoffman gone after the season ends …
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I tend to agree, unless we see a remarkable turnaround the last four games.
December 6th, 2012 at 5:55 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
Not sure why Knapp would lose confidence in Stewart when he was averaging 5.1 yds on 9 carries. It wasn’t like we were getting blown out but yet Palmer threw it 55 times.
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Yeah, that makes no sense. Both Stewart and Reece were averaging 5+ when they abandoned the run.
December 6th, 2012 at 5:56 am
Winning now will just confuse the issue. Donks will put 50 points on us, and if they don’t it’s because they don’t want to.
This is the worst team in 50 years. Al Davis is pissed!
December 6th, 2012 at 6:00 am
Sorry, it was 54 times*
54 Passes 17 Runs
Knapp just trying to fit in with the NFL since it’s now become a passing league. lol
December 6th, 2012 at 6:02 am
I’m not one of those ” losing is winning ” guys…. Not likely but I want them to win anytime they take the field….their may be a dozen to 20 players that are coming back and I’d hate them to want to lose for draft position….. They already been good at losing over the past decade…. It’s way past time they learned to win…… And I especially want to to best a division foe like the Donkeys….
December 6th, 2012 at 6:04 am
I even want them to get 2nd place in our division if they can…. I just can’t roll with hoping they lose…
December 6th, 2012 at 6:08 am
Wanting/hoping we lose for higher draft picks is pathetic (sorry to be so harsh, but it is).
Higher draft picks don’t mean anything. Patriots/Steelers/etc have been drafting in the late 20’s early 30’s for years and still put together year after year winning teams.
Regardless of whether we win, even win out, or lose, or lose out….it shouldn’t alter that the entire coaching staff under Allen must be fired — minimum. And Allen as well — maximum. End of the season.
The mismanagement of Pryor, and Taiwan and Ausberry, one of my pet peeves with them. But there’s a long list of peeves with them that we’ve all discussed over the last few months.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:08 am
With that, I’m out for the day. Catch up with everyone post-Broncos.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:08 am
Fingers Says:
I even want them to get 2nd place in our division if they can…. I just can’t roll with hoping they lose…
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Same here. They can still go 4-2 in the division.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:12 am
This team has drafted high for the last decade….. And look where we are…..I want guys on our team that want to win…. Even when the odds are against them….and I want to see who those guys are in a game like this…this game will be a good one to see who has desire and deserves to be back…. Just Win…. Just Try!
December 6th, 2012 at 6:17 am
When I say “Winning will just confuse the issue,” I mean, listen say we win out. The team suddenly shows signs of life, that might equate into another year of Knapp and Tarver. With a marginal player staying on the roster. I agree with draft picks not measuring up. We can’t seem to develop young players anyway.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:19 am
I think Knapp , Tarver and Hoffman are gone regardless wheather they win out or lose the rest….. I believe the books out on them already..IMO
December 6th, 2012 at 6:20 am
fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 6:19 am
I think Knapp , Tarver and Hoffman are gone regardless wheather they win out or lose the rest….. I believe the books out on them already..IMO
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My goodness those guys are awful.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:21 am
fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 6:19 am
I think Knapp , Tarver and Hoffman are gone regardless wheather they win out or lose the rest….. I believe the books out on them already..IMO
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Ahhh..
The triumvirate otherwise known as Curly, Moe, and Larry.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:22 am
Agree… I never wanted anybody gone as bad as I want those three outta Oakland ..
December 6th, 2012 at 6:23 am
And as much as I hate to say it, we need to pass on Te’o and trade down for more draft picks. (It hurt to type that)
December 6th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Lol… Yep.. The 3 stooges…..I believe anyone on this blog could problably call better plays than Knapp
December 6th, 2012 at 6:24 am
Kick all the 3 outta Dodge and have the man who chose them pushing the horse they are mounted on as well.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:24 am
Raiderbuck…. Your problably right…. This team needs lots of new faces….
December 6th, 2012 at 6:26 am
These last 4 games I’m gonna be watching for the guys we want back….it’s time to cull the loafers outta here
December 6th, 2012 at 6:26 am
I refuse to believe the chucky rumors are dead. Just that the Raiders are pissed they leaked. They sure acted like petulant children in their response. I don’t know of any large corporation that talks like that in public. Don’t they proof their PR announcements? Do they have 5th graders as copy editors?
December 6th, 2012 at 6:28 am
We need to get rid of Seymore, Kelly, Lechler,(I’d love to restructure Lechler instead of cut him) and man that would free up a lot of space. Of course McClain is gone.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:28 am
“Two people on the planet”
Drama anyone. And you thought you could only find drama on TNT.
One simple sentence would have sufficed. Geebuz!
December 6th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Bartell and Spencer won’t be back, Who else is gone for sure?
Do you bring back Gio? He’s a player, but not wonderful.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Guest,..you didnt read that release carefully,..the first part was the Raiders official response, the later part was Zaks opinion,..might want to go reread it.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:30 am
Agreed Raiderbuck,
I’d add Barnes, Coop, Bresiel, Sho, Gio, Bartell, Spencer, Mitchell, and even DMC if the price for him is right.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:31 am
As far as Arkush,..typical Joo,…I wish he would move back to his mother land,..so he will be incinerated with the rest of that rat tribe by that Iran big shot. God bless.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:31 am
We’re not gonna get any real information on a coaching change toll the seasons over…… It’s just speculation at this point….
December 6th, 2012 at 6:32 am
Till.*
December 6th, 2012 at 6:32 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 6:26 am
I refuse to believe the chucky rumors are dead. Just that the Raiders are pissed they leaked. They sure acted like petulant children in their response. I don’t know of any large corporation that talks like that in public. Don’t they proof their PR announcements? Do they have 5th graders as copy editors?
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I got that feeling too. Seems like in most cases, an over reaction to an otherwise honest question usually stems from some sort of guilt from the truth of it all.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:32 am
407. Not cool.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:33 am
Yeah in the release to the media, they were mad that some one called DA about Gruden coming in while he was at the hospital. What a freakin’ classy move! Like DA is going to know if Gruden is coming in to take his job. Jerks!
December 6th, 2012 at 6:33 am
Corner… Need real corners… I’m not sold on Huff
December 6th, 2012 at 6:34 am
Yo guest, Im not here to be hip or cool,..ya heard me?…Im the only real mother F`r in this joint,..cant take the heat dont read my F`n truth. Ya Im fired up, Im on the way to Oakland,…so FU.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Last year and early this year I thought Huff might come around….
December 6th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Huff has proven to be an athlete, need a way better secondary coach?
December 6th, 2012 at 6:36 am
I’d love to restructure Lechler instead of cut him) and man that would free up a lot of space
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His contract is up at the end of the year. Nothing to restructure.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Palmers gonna need a run game tonight…. If not its gonna be tough…I’d almost rather see Reese and Stewart get the start ….
December 6th, 2012 at 6:38 am
Didn’t know that “real” means racist? My apologies to you. Nice day.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:38 am
Lechlers gone after the seasons over… IMO
December 6th, 2012 at 6:40 am
I’d love to keep Reece involved. But he’s not healthy so it’s a no brainer to get DMC in the action. I agree the run game will be tough to get going, especially if Manning gets his team out front by a couple of scores. Then they can pin their ears back and headhunt Palmer. The defense keeping the Raiders close is going to be key to establishing the run.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:42 am
Lechlers gone after the seasons over… IMO
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Agreed. Unless he restructures. Which is a possibility at his age. They have too much money tied up in the kicking game.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:42 am
396.Raiderbuck Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 6:23 am
And as much as I hate to say it, we need to pass on Te’o and trade down for more draft picks. (It hurt to type that)
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I disagree. We can’t physically rebuild this team through 1 draft. Just too many holes. I think you take a guy like Te’o (if you believe he really has it) and build around him. If he is as good as is believed he will make guys around him better. It is hard to be excited around here about a top 10 draft pick, because they have been so repeatedly squandered.
Now, if we are picking say #2 overall, and someone in the top 10 is willing to give us this years second and another mid rounder or something, then by all means move back a few spots, but dont drop to the end of the round.
The other thing to consider is, there is no Luck or RG3 in this draft. No one is going to pay the bounty that STL got to move up.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:43 am
Agreed. Unless he restructures. Which is a possibility at his age. They have too much money tied up in the kicking game.
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His contract is up. There is nothing to restructure. He is a free agent.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:44 am
Is Reese out?… I haven’t seen anything yet except Seymour’s out…Again….. Think it’s time he retired … Called it a career
December 6th, 2012 at 6:45 am
424.
You are right. I meant to say unless he takes a pay cut.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:45 am
I don’t understand why some in here say Gruden’s success was due to the roster (with decent-good-great talent) that was put in place before he arrived to either Oakland or Tampa, or because he was lucky enough to inherit Dungy’s team???
Oakland 1997 4-12
Oakland 1998 8-8 (+4 wins)
Tampa Bay 2001 9-7
Tampa Bay 2002 12-4 (+6 wins and Superbowl Champ)
I really hope the rumors are true because i’m sure if we all can agree on one thing, it’s that we are sick of losing and all Gruden has done with his arrival is add more w’s to the win column.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:46 am
I think Seymour mentally retired at the end of last year. He knew the window had closed when Hue was fired. This year has been all about cashing checks.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:47 am
Guest… Agree
December 6th, 2012 at 6:48 am
The good old days:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHa71AFBGoE
December 6th, 2012 at 6:49 am
If Gruden is hired, the Raider Nation would give him more time to build a team. Took a few years for him the last time. Will take a few this time.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:52 am
This year has been all about cashing checks.
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Word… The last 10 years as well… I think Reggie realizes this too and the purging of deadweight gains even more momentum this off-season…
I realize the need for continuity at the HC position, but there is a link between gaining/retaining the players respect and how motivated they are to play for that HC… Right now, it doesnt seem anybody is motivated to perform for DA…
December 6th, 2012 at 6:53 am
I moved to Tampa the last year that Gruden coached here. They started 9-3 and lost out the last 4 games to finish 9-7. Missed the playoffs. There was a lot whining fans who kicked around Chucky like he was the worst coach ever. A lot of idiots pining for Dungy to come back. They got their wish and have been floundering ever since.
Chucky is a very good coach, and we’d be lucky to have him back. He’s not the perfect coach, but he’ll make us competitive. We aren’t even competitive anymore. That’s what upsets most fans even more than the losses.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Who would you guys rather have…Fat Andy Reid or John Gruden…
I’ll take Fat Andy every day of the week and twice on Sunday over the overrated Golden Child..
This Gruden talk is comical. You would think he was Tony Dungy or freakin Bill Walsh with all this talk.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:58 am
i think more players than you and i both know have quit on DA….
December 6th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Andy Reid used to be a decent coach. He’s burnt out now. He needs to retire once he’s fired from the Iggles. He has his priorities all messed up and let his family go to pot. Family always trumps job. He never got that. Sad.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:59 am
compared to DA…anyone is Tony dungy or bill walsh…
December 6th, 2012 at 6:59 am
# fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 6:33 am
Corner… Need real corners… I’m not sold on Huff
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HaHaHa! Your not?? Come on mang..Dude has been stellar for us since he stepped onto the field 7 years ago…
Oh wait…
December 6th, 2012 at 7:01 am
# guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Andy Reid used to be a decent coach. He’s burnt out now. He needs to retire once he’s fired from the Iggles. He has his priorities all messed up and let his family go to pot. Family always trumps job. He never got that. Sad.
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He may need to take a year off and just decompress..but all things being equal. I still take him over Gruden..
December 6th, 2012 at 7:02 am
think more players than you and i both know have quit on DA….
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Don’t know if so much quit on DA as quit on the coaching philosophy. He puts a gameplan together, coordinators draw up plays and packages intended to surprise the other team. And the opposition is ready for it and shuts us down. That is demoralizing and gets into players heads. They know our coaches are overmatched and out tactictioned (is that a word?)
Anyway, point is. It’s nothing personal against DA. Just that they don’t buy into what he’s selling is going to work on gameday anymore.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:05 am
We aren’t even competitive anymore. That’s what upsets most fans even more than the losses.
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Absolutely man. I think most of us know what we’d be getting with Gruden and ultimately have the “Patience” required for a rebuild. Attitude is everything and we already know he’s a competitive, never say DIE sumbitc*h….We knew virtually nothing about DA or Reggie. It’s just hard not knowing what to expect year after year.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:05 am
# guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 7:02 am
think more players than you and i both know have quit on DA….
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Don’t know if so much quit on DA as quit on the coaching philosophy. He puts a gameplan together, coordinators draw up plays and packages intended to surprise the other team. And the opposition is ready for it and shuts us down. That is demoralizing and gets into players heads. They know our coaches are overmatched and out tactictioned (is that a word?)
Anyway, point is. It’s nothing personal against DA. Just that they don’t buy into what he’s selling is going to work on gameday anymore.
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True..its like playing Chess against someone who is wayyyy better than you. You make your moves and they just manipulate you like a puppet and its over….
These coaches are so basic and have no imagination and are getting outcoached every single sunday…Without a few heroic efforts from a handful of players..we would have zero wins right now.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Tarver thinks the defense flying around what it takes…. He’s one of the first coachs that need to go..
December 6th, 2012 at 7:08 am
yeah thats what i mean by quitting on DA….his scheme, coaching, message entirely…
December 6th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Guest123 Says:
Didn’t know that “real” means racist? My apologies to you. Nice day.
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He’s “real” crap is what he is, and a sore loser. The rumor turned out to be false despite his insistence in previous days that it was true. Egg on his face makes him feel a little anti-Semitic.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:11 am
I’m not even defending any race. I like them all. It shouldn’t ever be a talking point in this blog.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:14 am
I’ve always associated poor tackling and blown coverages to quitting. Tackling is a fundamental and the other could be a mix of, either a lack of talent, coaching or just giving up???
December 6th, 2012 at 7:14 am
I’d be real surprised if they Dumped Allen … I think he’s here for a least another season….
December 6th, 2012 at 7:16 am
I believe it’s talent…. These guys should know how to tackle at this level …. It’s been this way for a while
December 6th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Those are my biggest gripes on Defense…. Poor tackling and blown coverages
December 6th, 2012 at 7:19 am
I think Peyton just hit Thomas for a TD already…
this STAFF better have this team ready tonight.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Reid would scare me. Dude wont run the ball and has pissed philly fan off over the years
Gruden may be more about Chuckie then anything else.
It would a circus
I vote to give DA two more years
The entire Gruden rumor shows me Mark is in way over his head.
We may possibly have the worse owner in sports
December 6th, 2012 at 7:19 am
I’ve always associated poor tackling and blown coverages to quitting. Tackling is a fundamental and the other could be a mix of, either a lack of talent, coaching or just giving up???
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Yes, the fundamentals go when the effort is lost. The will to execute has to accompany a “payoff” at the end. A sack, fumble, tackle for loss. Something to get fired up for the next play. But if you are doing your assignment and doing it well and you are still getting ripped for chunks because the coaching is outmatched, it takes some of the wind out their sails. It’s hard to maintain intensity when you get marched up and down and the stadium is emptying out in the 3rd quarter. It’s a vicious cycle.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:19 am
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
DJ Johnny,
“Nobody puts a gun to my head and forces me to be a fan of this org. but sometimes this org. makes me want to put a gun to my head myself.”
You really busted that out four days after a murder/suicide?
Tact, if I’ve ever seen it.
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Honestly when I said that I wasn’t even thinking about the Chiefs player for one nano-second. I was simply using an old euphemism to say nobody forces me to be a fan of this team.
My apologies.
I remember after 9/11 the owners of our broadcast group gave us a list of songs we couldn’t play in light of the tragedy.
Same after Columbine.
-Shoot to Thrill
-Janies got a gun
-Shooting Star (nothing to do with guns but it was on the list)
…basically anything with shooting or guns in the title or words of the song.
That ban went on for a few months.
I will refrain from saying “My heart isn’t into the game” tonight as it would be in bad taste.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:20 am
Tarver said at the presser that poor tacking has been due to being out of position then being ” surprised…… I’m not even sure what the ” surprised ” part means
December 6th, 2012 at 7:20 am
Every SNAP on D there is an opposing player running wide open down field…between the hashes most of the time.PATHETIC!
December 6th, 2012 at 7:21 am
fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 7:16 am
I believe it’s talent…. These guys should know how to tackle at this level …. It’s been this way for a while
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No doubt we are undertalented. But a better coach could have gotten this group in a position to compete on the field and at least playing close to their potential. This group is not talented and even then are not playing close to their potential.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:22 am
Tackling is about Attitude and Effort…
\Romo puts it ALL on the individual players.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:23 am
Guest… I can agree with that…. Because at times they do play well… Rare.. But at time they actually look Ok
December 6th, 2012 at 7:23 am
453 Good post, I agree.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:23 am
Coming out of the tunnel FLAT for 5 games in a row has Lost me on DA as an HC…doesn’t have the resume, nor the vetran leaders on the team to support him.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:24 am
fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 7:20 am
Tarver said at the presser that poor tacking has been due to being out of position then being ” surprised…… I’m not even sure what the ” surprised ” part means
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The SURPRISE is on the Raider player who was instructed to be in one part of field, read defenses and interpret the opposing teams moves. Play a game of chess. We are dead meat out there with the football IQ of our coaching staff. That’s suprise you see when you watch Raiders eyes as wide as half dollars.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:27 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
I’ve always associated poor tackling and blown coverages to quitting. Tackling is a fundamental and the other could be a mix of, either a lack of talent, coaching or just giving up???
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Bad tackling isn’t necessarily quitting, especially when the player has ALWAYS been a bad tackler in the NFL (please see Giordano). Some guys just don’t have what it takes to take down players with NFL speed, strength and agility. They may have been good in college and high school, but the talent level is far different.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:27 am
And the same can be said for Offense – if they are stacking the box against McFadden, doesn’t that mean that down field some one should be wide open?
December 6th, 2012 at 7:27 am
fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 7:23 am
Guest… I can agree with that…. Because at times they do play well… Rare.. But at time they actually look Ok
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Can’t we say that about EVERY team in the league? Even the worst of the worst can buck up for a few plays it seems.
Gotta make int’s when they are given to you. Decent teams do that.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:28 am
451…made me almost spit out my coffee! TD thomas! This is gonna svck.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Isn’t there a saying that goes, the football teams play on the field is usually a reflection of the head coach?
I’m always in support of whoever is a Raider but this team shows no fire or passion on the field and absolutely no competitiveness.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:33 am
I’m always in support of whoever is a Raider but this team shows no fire or passion on the field and absolutely no competitiveness.
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Agreed. Just can’t go out there every week and get your asre handed to you. Season’s over and a lot of guys are just collecting paychecks now. I think tonight is going to tell us what the team is made of.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:36 am
RA shows no fire, Reggie shows no fire and it shows in the team. No wonder Mark is Pi$$ed!
December 6th, 2012 at 7:37 am
At the start of the season i made the point that if the Raiders catch the ball when it is thrown to them, and make the int’s when it’s there for them etc. that they would be a decent team. Also, not have turnovers including bad int’s.
Might be a different game at Cincy IF DHB makes that catch on 3rd down, or GIO holds onto that easy int.
I remember last yr. at Buffalo when we had THREE int’s go right into and then off of our hands. Their final drive McClain had one he just dropped and so did CJ37.
Let’s say CJ37 holds on to that int. We go 2-0 and finish one game better at 9-7 as a result. Palmer is the hero who came off the couch and leads us to division title and we beat an injured Pittsburgh team at home in the playoffs the next week. Reggie can’t fire Hue now, and who knows how this year goes down.
It’s true that ONE PLAY you think means nothing in the grand scheme, has the ability to have lasting consequences.
We can “what if’ forever, but seemingly minor plays like that can change the course of games and seasons.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:38 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 6:45 am
I don’t understand why some in here say Gruden’s success was due to the roster (with decent-good-great talent) that was put in place before he arrived to either Oakland or Tampa, or because he was lucky enough to inherit Dungy’s team???
Oakland 1997 4-12
Oakland 1998 8-8 (+4 wins)
Tampa Bay 2001 9-7
Tampa Bay 2002 12-4 (+6 wins and Superbowl Champ)
I really hope the rumors are true because i’m sure if we all can agree on one thing, it’s that we are sick of losing and all Gruden has done with his arrival is add more w’s to the win column.
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Gruden has proven one thing in his coaching career. He is a master at turning around franchises quickly. That is why he would be so welcomed right now in Oakland.
He was very mediocre at coaching a franchise for the long haul though. I think he burns his candle at both ends, and the players turn it off over time.
Thats also why I think he will NEVER return to coaching. The game was killing him. Same as Madden. Ten years and out, never to return, and to become a superstar in the booth. Now all he needs is a video game franchise.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Told you guys the gruden rumor sounded made up.. The local media’s just trying to come up with something because we stink so bad there’s no football to talk about..
December 6th, 2012 at 7:43 am
I also think that Ford could get traded, DHB also. We might get 4th round pick for both.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Oakland sports talk radio got 100 percent increase in their callars because of that dumbass rumor
December 6th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Marks hair Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Oakland sports talk radio got 100 percent increase in their callars because of that dumbass rumor
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I’m still not sold on it being just a rumor. We aren’t going to find out anything about it until after the year is out.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Let’s say CJ37 holds on to that int. We go 2-0 and finish one game better at 9-7 as a result. Palmer is the hero who came off the couch and leads us to division title and we beat an injured Pittsburgh team at home in the playoffs the next week. Reggie can’t fire Hue now, and who knows how this year goes down.
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There were plenty of one play games last year, and it would have been interesting to see what happened in a playoff scenario.
No way I see McK keeping Hue though (even though he should have.)
This guy wants to do it his way or the highway.
All we can do is have blind faith that “his way” will lead the Raiders to be a perennial playoff team like the Packers. Right now I have my doubts.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:46 am
DJ Johnny,
great points about the “what if” plays that impacted last season. But the main point is that this season, those “what ifs” don’t really matter so much.
the team isn’t competitive. We aren’t really in games at the final possession anymore. We aren’t like horseshoes and hand granades. missed opportunities only change the outcome so much.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Raiderbuck Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 7:43 am
I also think that Ford could get traded, DHB also. We might get 4th round pick for both.
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Ford would clear waivers today. DHB might be worth a conditional 7th rounder. Get real.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:49 am
does reggie even watch practice?
December 6th, 2012 at 7:49 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Raiderbuck Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 7:43 am
I also think that Ford could get traded, DHB also. We might get 4th round pick for both.
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Ford would clear waivers today. DHB might be worth a conditional 7th rounder. Get real.
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If that’s all we can get for our starting WRs, it’s no wonder we stink!
December 6th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Its just a made up story.. they do it all the time. Gruden had the meeting a while back but the rumor comes out now?? Right after our 5th strait loss and elimination from the playoffs hmmm…
December 6th, 2012 at 7:49 am
What does the person get out of making up a rumor like that? Wouldn’t it just discredit him as a sports journalist/insider if he is wrong?
Not yet sold on it being a rumor either and I think that email is in response to the untimely passing of DA’s father and the season not being over yet.
Who knows?
December 6th, 2012 at 7:51 am
Gdog Says:
Gruden has proven one thing in his coaching career. He is a master at turning around franchises quickly.
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Franchises? He’s only had two head coaching gigs. The only one that turned around after he joined was Oakland. Tampa Bay was already a winning team.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Plausible deny ability – They can always say the talks did go on and no agreement was reached.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:52 am
My sympathy and condolences to Coach Tits.
Thinking about the situation – Tits probably knew his father was on life support, and that he would be heading home to make the decision on whether to ‘pull the plug’ – while he was coaching the Raids last Sunday.
Regardless of what you think about Tits as a HC, he has my respect for being a MAN throughout this trying time and showing up to do his job last Sunday.
Wonder if the team knew what Coach Tits was going through.
What’s done is done. Time to get back to work now.
And while there’s no escaping the grieving period – it’s time to work harder than ever, focus more intently than ever, and be more contemplative than ever, regarding what you can do to improve as a HC and what needs to be done to improve the team as a whole.
4 more games, Coach. Then the inaugural season is done – over – on the books. It wasn’t a good one.
Another season like this one can not be tolerated.
I respect the way Tits handled the loss of his father.
I appreciate that he appears to have the Slo cancer on the way out.
I’d like to support him if he’s back in 2013.
But I can’t do it if he doesn’t ‘pull the plug’ on Krapp.
There will be no grieving over that necessary action.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Espn talks on every stupid rumor… if they wont touch it, it must be bunk.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:54 am
1 super bowl win, and another set up to go….yeah not much on his resume.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:55 am
The Raiders are so bad I can’t even watch sports channels anymore. They have a 10 second spot on how bad and dysfunctional the Raiders are then move on to the NFL darling teams.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:55 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 7:49 am
What does the person get out of making up a rumor like that? Wouldn’t it just discredit him as a sports journalist/insider if he is wrong?
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I don’t think he just made it up out of the air. Even if the rumor was confirmed, there would still be a lot of talks that could break down and the whole deal could be off. But I have no doubt that the Raiders and Mark Davis are interested in adding Chucky….when the time is right.
Still it’s pretty ballsy for Hub Arkush to put his name and rep out there to take a beating. Wonder what’s his motive beyond short term PFW site clicks?
December 6th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Anyone see this?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/06/goodell-floats-novel-idea-for-replacing-kickoffs/
LOL
December 6th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Oh I’m sure Mark begs John to come back every time they see each other I just don’t think John has ever really considered leaving that cushy gig at ESPN for us
December 6th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Marks hair Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Espn talks on every stupid rumor… if they wont touch it, it must be bunk.
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but ESPN did touch it. It was on PTI yesterday.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Have you guys seen this?
“Transsexual woman — 50 years old, 6 feet 8 — debuts on Santa Clara junior college basketball team”
I was wondering where Sully44 has been!
December 6th, 2012 at 8:01 am
472.Marks hair Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Told you guys the gruden rumor sounded made up.. The local media’s just trying to come up with something because we stink so bad there’s no football to talk about..
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Local media didn’t make it up. Hub is a Chicago guy specifically and an NFL guy in general.
He ran the story and other outlets ran with it. Of course local media is going to take an interest.
So one of the guys from 95.7 calls his sources and they confirm. They report it. Raiders refute, they bring the guy on the show who reported it in the first place.
I listened to Hub last night. Didn’t sound like he was BSing and he doesn’t seem the type to sensationalize for the sake of attention. Maybe more cirulation or web hits on PFW? Only thing I could think of.
UNless he got a kick back from Gruden camp to start stirring the pot and get Jon some leverage.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Al davis tried to get bill walsh and bill parcels to come coach for us everytime he saw them.. and whenever our hc was on the hotseat those same stories would pop up to get us all riled up.. Just a guy trying to make a headline
December 6th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Any chance the team rallies around the death of DA’s dad and squeaks out a win tonight??
Funny how teams rally around such unfortunate events (ie. KC last week and Raiders vs. Houston last year after Al’s passing)
December 6th, 2012 at 8:03 am
I stand corrected it looks like the PTI guys were bored.. Still think it’s the same old nonsense though.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:04 am
I can’t imagine this team rallies behind anything. And I don’t think it would matter if they did Rally. They would still get their butts handed to them.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:04 am
I don’t buy the website hits or Gruden kickback or attention whore theories.
this guy Arkush has been doing this for 28 years and has built a rep. Why would he sell it out for peanuts?
December 6th, 2012 at 8:05 am
They’ll play hard but it’s gonna be tough to get a win on a short, emotional week and facing the class of the division, maybe of the AFC.
Even in blowouts, most of these guys have played hard, particularly on offense.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:06 am
499.guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:04 am
I don’t buy the website hits or Gruden kickback or attention whore theories.
this guy Arkush has been doing this for 28 years and has built a rep. Why would he sell it out for peanuts?
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I really do agree with that. I believe there’s truth to the report. Bad timing though for DA and the locker room. Probably why no media access yesterday.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Even in blowouts, most of these guys have played hard, particularly on offense.
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Yes. But playing smart always trumps playing hard.
checkmate.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:06 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:04 am
I don’t buy the website hits or Gruden kickback or attention whore theories.
this guy Arkush has been doing this for 28 years and has built a rep. Why would he sell it out for peanuts?
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Again I’m not convinced there’s nothing to this story. I am convinced that now is NOT the time to release anything to the public. We won’t know anything until after the season is over.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Well, this is the type of game the Raiders have won over the past 10 years.
The one they were given absolutely no shot.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:07 am
464.Raiderbuck Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 7:27 am
And the same can be said for Offense – if they are stacking the box against McFadden, doesn’t that mean that down field some one should be wide open?
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You would think, except our receivers aren’t very good at getting open.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:08 am
People say we’re talentless but I think good coaches can win with this offense. Palmer is a pretty good quarterback in a league catered to quarterbacks. there is no reason for us to be this bad.. I really advocate consistency and running a program but I just don’t see anyone on this coaching staff as a Foundation for that
December 6th, 2012 at 8:09 am
People say we’re talentless but I think good coaches can win with this offense.
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And one was!
December 6th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Then again…Why wasn’t Gruden offered the job after they fired Hue?
What happened between now and then that Gruden, if so is the case, changed his mind and started leaning to coming back to coaching in the NFL and for the Raiders?
Mark must be extremely surprised and disappointed on the outcome of this season and how far back this team has regressed?? I mean, after he said things would be done different, how could he resort back to the Al way and fire a coach after on year?
If that is the case at the end of the year.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Fox is the teacher and Allen is the pupil.
Fox is taking Allen to school and Allen is on a steep learning curve. It’s another lesson coming tonight.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Mark must be extremely surprised and disappointed on the outcome of this season and how far back this team has regressed??
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Bingo. If the rumor is true, it means he’s become impatient and possibly lost faith in Reggie’s abilities to hire a coach.
Remember Mark said after the Cincy game he saw a fire in DA he didn’t think was there before?
Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Like I said yesterday, this is probably not up to Reggie.
I know I’ve said DA must go but I’m not so sure. He looks like a guy that’s trying to clean house and get the right type of player in the building, do things the right way. The problem is his game management and ability (or lack there of) to make adjustments.
If DA sticks, one must hope that this can just be chalked up to being a rookie HC.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Enough, people. Gruden’s not coming back, and we wouldn’t want him back even if he was.
DA will be the coach next season. Best guesses for coordinators are Marty Mornhinweg on offense and either Richard Smith or Bill Johnson on defense (with Gregg Williams an outside shot).
December 6th, 2012 at 8:14 am
The Broncos are weaker with McGahee this time around. Last chance to generate any kind of pressure. Let’s go back to Man2Man, no saftey help if you’re not in coverage then you’re going after 5 Head
December 6th, 2012 at 8:16 am
I think the only way DA gets fired is if we’re bringing back John Gruden anything else and mark will look too much like his old man . And i still think the rumors bs. It’s almost like Farve watch
December 6th, 2012 at 8:16 am
What happened between now and then that Gruden, if so is the case, changed his mind and started leaning to coming back to coaching in the NFL and for the Raiders?
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I think Mark instictively trusted his inner circle of trust to make the decision for him. Reggie was the man they circled as the man they had to have. Mark just went along with the groupthink that he could turn over the franchise and Reggie would figure it out. But Reggie’s still just a rookie GM and he’s got his own learning curve. I fault Mark here for not digging deeper and doing his due dilegence. He needs to be more like his father in taking a personal interest in the path the franchise is taking. The comment by him after the Saints loss was telling, and fair warning to the REGGIME that the confidence was lost or at least declining. I think Mark got his eyes opened.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:16 am
*withOUT McGhaee
December 6th, 2012 at 8:17 am
RaiderDuck Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Enough, people. Gruden’s not coming back, and we wouldn’t want him back even if he was.
DA will be the coach next season. Best guesses for coordinators are Marty Mornhinweg on offense and either Richard Smith or Bill Johnson on defense (with Gregg Williams an outside shot).
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Final answer? lol
December 6th, 2012 at 8:17 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
December 6th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Please. Give me one redeeming quality that DA has brought to the team. Just what is he good at?
To do this, I suggest making a list of all the responsibilities and duties of a HC and rate one to five. What would the consensus overall score be? 2? 1?
What’s his selling point? Defend DA for me.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:20 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:14 am
The Broncos are weaker with McGahee this time around. Last chance to generate any kind of pressure. Let’s go back to Man2Man, no saftey help if you’re not in coverage then you’re going after 5 Head
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lol .. like the idea. but lets just say f*ck it and send all 11 guys !!!
December 6th, 2012 at 8:21 am
They were coached by Knapp all week. What does that tell you about their chances against a team that put up 37 in like 3 quarters.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:21 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:20 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:14 am
The Broncos are weaker with McGahee this time around. Last chance to generate any kind of pressure. Let’s go back to Man2Man, no saftey help if you’re not in coverage then you’re going after 5 Head
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lol .. like the idea. but lets just say f*ck it and send all 11 guys !!!
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Fk it, send 12, one guy late from the bench. My Vote is Bilukidi with the belly flop on the pile
December 6th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Drubbing of epic proportions tonight. Denver 55 – Oakland 20.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:22 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Please. Give me one redeeming quality that DA has brought to the team. Just what is he good at?
To do this, I suggest making a list of all the responsibilities and duties of a HC and rate one to five. What would the consensus overall score be? 2? 1?
What’s his selling point? Defend DA for me.
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dont know Guest. maybe his selling point is that he is young and pretty !! lol lol lol
December 6th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Ok given everything in play (and there sure is a lot…bad 5 weeks, DA related issues, gruden rumors, awful field product talent, playing manning and an 8-3 team)
predict what we will see tonight…(no hyperbole)
I’ll start:
1. 38-10 (only 38 because i think fox will ACTIVELY throttle back to ‘help’ his boy DA…otherwise i would have gone with 55-3)
lets add to this list…
December 6th, 2012 at 8:22 am
I dreaded this game, but i feel confident enough today for some reason. My gut tells me Raiders win this game. By 6
December 6th, 2012 at 8:24 am
We need to man press at the line. Bump and play physical at the line and even at the risk of drawing a flag. Those short routes are Manning’s bread and butter. The games where he got in trouble were the games where he had to make the deep late read and try to force a ball between the corner and safety. Do your best to take away Mannings comfort level, give him the out he leasts like to throw to. Make him earn it every down.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:24 am
I would be all for Gregg Williams coming in as the DC next year. Tarver looks like a pu$$y. This defense needs someone that preaches “cut off the head and the body will die” all the time or “Let’s see if he can run with a torn ACL”.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:24 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Please. Give me one redeeming quality that DA has brought to the team. Just what is he good at?
To do this, I suggest making a list of all the responsibilities and duties of a HC and rate one to five. What would the consensus overall score be? 2? 1?
What’s his selling point? Defend DA for me.
>> the best HC in the Nfl over the last 11 years is a QUIET, emotionless, boring and uninspiring guy. this guy was the coach of the cleveland browns and won a whopping 6 games in HIS first year with that team. you can’t judge a coach by his facial expressions OR his demeanor. BUT this team is horrible and the defense is the worst I’ve ever seen, at least for the last 5 games. If DA stays and gets a couple of good drafts in he might get things right
December 6th, 2012 at 8:26 am
I wanna see briezel get going the last few games and i wanna see tp and the 24yr olds and under group play alot… is that so much to ask from you santa? You fùck!?
December 6th, 2012 at 8:26 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:24 am
We need to man press at the line. Bump and play physical at the line and even at the risk of drawing a flag. Those short routes are Manning’s bread and butter. The games where he got in trouble were the games where he had to make the deep late read and try to force a ball between the corner and safety. Do your best to take away Mannings comfort level, give him the out he leasts like to throw to. Make him earn it every down.
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Exactly. We always played the Colts close when it was press man Al Davis days. We already know 5 Head can disect a Zone. Man em up n hit em late.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:27 am
This defense needs someone that preaches “cut off the head and the body will die” all the time or “Let’s see if he can run with a torn ACL”.
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LMAO! Love it!
December 6th, 2012 at 8:27 am
518.guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Please. Give me one redeeming quality that DA has brought to the team. Just what is he good at?
To do this, I suggest making a list of all the responsibilities and duties of a HC and rate one to five. What would the consensus overall score be? 2? 1?
What’s his selling point? Defend DA for me.
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I’m not necessarily in his corner, but I’ll take a crack at devil’s advocate.
DA brings the opposite of what we’ve had recently. Being that we’ve been dysfunctional (or at least accused of it), Mark, and probably more so Reggie, wanted to bring in a guy that was not brash, outspoken and emotional.
DA had some juice coming in to the job. He’s pretty well regarded in NFL circles, though I doubt he was ready for the job. Reggie sought an under-the-radar guy, much like Al has done in the past.
DA isn’t on the sidelines screaming, he is completely party line in pressers and brings a steadfast, I’m a family guy from TX with a strong upbringing mentality.
People want DA to lose it. Rolando challenged him. Guys were waiting for him to blow his top. He hasn’t, at least not publically.
DA is the guy to keep his cool and I think they want the team to take on that persona. The saying was hit the Raiders in the mouth and they’ll quit.
Well, DA has been hit in the mouth pretty good here recently and he hasn’t quit.
Aside from the ‘intangibles’ mentioned, again, he was considered a rising star and bright defensive mind.
And we don’t know what goes on in meeting rooms, practice field, post game locker room, etc.
DA’s biggest problem was who he got to be his assistants. Maybe he didn’t have better options. This is not an attractive destination, even post Al.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:27 am
513.Marks hair Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:16 am
I think the only way DA gets fired is if we’re bringing back John Gruden anything else and mark will look too much like his old man . And i still think the rumors bs. It’s almost like Farve watch
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Something caused this rumor to start in the first place beyond just seeing Gruden light the torch with a Raider visor on. Too many people are saying there’s truth to it.
It could be that it’s being greatly exaggerated. That happens.
I was thinking it’s possible that Mark DID reach out to Gruden and Gruden thought about it and turned it down already and the Raider denial is just to save face.
I will say the Raiders blasting Hub Arkush and calling him out personally smacks of the Al regime.
I don’t know of any other org. that will personally go after an individual writer or insider like that; not saying it doesn’t happen, just don’t recall seeing it.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:27 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Mark must be extremely surprised and disappointed on the outcome of this season and how far back this team has regressed??
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Bingo. If the rumor is true, it means he’s become impatient and possibly lost faith in Reggie’s abilities to hire a coach.
Remember Mark said after the Cincy game he saw a fire in DA he didn’t think was there before?
Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Like I said yesterday, this is probably not up to Reggie.
I know I’ve said DA must go but I’m not so sure. He looks like a guy that’s trying to clean house and get the right type of player in the building, do things the right way. The problem is his game management and ability (or lack there of) to make adjustments.
If DA sticks, one must hope that this can just be chalked up to being a rookie HC.
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Yeah, he feared one more year. The Raisers are/have been dysfunctional and runs its org on knee jerk reactions. Look up the definition if insanity. It should have the Oakland Raiders as a footnote. How many HCs has this place burned through? It’s a punch line. You can’t build consistency like that.
If Gruden come back, so be it. I’ll believe it when I see it. But DA deserves one more year.
Benching players for poor play and kicking dipsh:ts out if practice earns my respect. When have we ever seen that?
I do think we need new coordinators. Get Norv on the phone after the season.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:27 am
As for Offense. Run, Run and Run early. Hit em with Delays, Screens, power runs toward Dumerville, counters & Traps toward Miller. Keep that pass rush guessing.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Belicheat shows plenty of fire on the sidelines, just not in pressers. He even ran down that official and put his hands on him earlier in the year. If Belicheat was coaching us, he would have given those refs that blew the call in the Bengals game the business. DA just had a stupid look on his face and didn’t even recognize what was going on.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:28 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:24 am
I would be all for Gregg Williams coming in as the DC next year. Tarver looks like a pu$$y. This defense needs someone that preaches “cut off the head and the body will die” all the time or “Let’s see if he can run with a torn ACL”.
>> Team has no leader on either side of the ball. that may be a problem too. too bad there isn’t a standout QB to draft to lead the team.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:28 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:27 am
This defense needs someone that preaches “cut off the head and the body will die” all the time or “Let’s see if he can run with a torn ACL”.
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LMAO! Love it!
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Jeff Fisher and Cortland Finnegan wouldve been great Raiders
December 6th, 2012 at 8:30 am
DJ Johnny Says:
I don’t know of any other org. that will personally go after an individual writer or insider like that; not saying it doesn’t happen, just don’t recall seeing it.
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That guy brought it on himself. If you put a story out there that is not substantiated by either party, and meanwhile the existing HC is attending to his father’s funeral, you are putting yourself at risk for this.
Yes, the Raiders have had some dreadful PR in the past. But this one I think was justified.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:30 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Belicheat shows plenty of fire on the sidelines, just not in pressers. He even ran down that official and put his hands on him earlier in the year. If Belicheat was coaching us, he would have given those refs that blew the call in the Bengals game the business. DA just had a stupid look on his face and didn’t even recognize what was going on.
>> DA is a rookie. do you think belichick was that brash in 91 with the browns in his first year? he wasn’t man. Belichci doesn’t even smile when his team wins a game, the guy is emotionless most of the time.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:32 am
He’s a professional Liiaar!
December 6th, 2012 at 8:33 am
540.manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:30 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Belicheat shows plenty of fire on the sidelines, just not in pressers. He even ran down that official and put his hands on him earlier in the year. If Belicheat was coaching us, he would have given those refs that blew the call in the Bengals game the business. DA just had a stupid look on his face and didn’t even recognize what was going on.
>> DA is a rookie. do you think belichick was that brash in 91 with the browns in his first year? he wasn’t man. Belichci doesn’t even smile when his team wins a game, the guy is emotionless most of the time.
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Yeah, that’s because he isn’t getting blown out by 30 points a game. He’s got a disciplined team that doesn’t make dumb mistakes all the time and one of the most efficient QB’s of all time.
I would be pretty emotionless if I was the coach of a team that put up over 30 points per game year in and year out.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:34 am
My problem with DA is that he looks too much like Lame Kiffin. Damm Weasel face
December 6th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Raiders need a leader. a face of the franchise. its not palmer, mcankle or philip wheeler or SSI seymour. good teams have a leader or leaders. this team has none. and it has to be a PLAYER not a coach.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:35 am
I do think we need new coordinators. Get Norv on the phone after the season.
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Would love to have Norv as OC. I’m wondering if he takes a year off after he gets fired though. He’s been through the ringer.
Would be 3rd system in 3 years though. Will probably set offense back again, at least initially. His system is a much better fit for our squad though.
But we would need some taller receivers.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:35 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:33 am
540.manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:30 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Belicheat shows plenty of fire on the sidelines, just not in pressers. He even ran down that official and put his hands on him earlier in the year. If Belicheat was coaching us, he would have given those refs that blew the call in the Bengals game the business. DA just had a stupid look on his face and didn’t even recognize what was going on.
>> DA is a rookie. do you think belichick was that brash in 91 with the browns in his first year? he wasn’t man. Belichci doesn’t even smile when his team wins a game, the guy is emotionless most of the time.
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Yeah, that’s because he isn’t getting blown out by 30 points a game. He’s got a disciplined team that doesn’t make dumb mistakes all the time and one of the most efficient QB’s of all time.
I would be pretty emotionless if I was the coach of a team that put up over 30 points per game year in and year out.
>> i think its his persona and that was my point. a coach doesn’t have to pull a Bill Cowher on the sidelines to be good. thats all
December 6th, 2012 at 8:35 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:34 am
My problem with DA is that he looks too much like Lame Kiffin. Damm Weasel face
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agreed. We need a face like pimp hand cable.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:36 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:35 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:34 am
My problem with DA is that he looks too much like Lame Kiffin. Damm Weasel face
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agreed. We need a face like pimp hand cable.
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Cable Bumayae!
December 6th, 2012 at 8:36 am
It’s not about showing emotion it’s about wins and losses. I could care less if DA is stone faced all the time as long as he wins. It is pretty obvious this job is too overwhealming for him. He was not ready for prime time. Now we are stuck with a guy who has lost the locker room and doesn’t have a clue how to get it back other than kicking guys out of practice.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:37 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:34 am
My problem with DA is that he looks too much like Lame Kiffin. Damm Weasel face
>. snake or not Kiffin played the Raiders like a fiddle and now has his dream job. Raiders are the lame ones for getting schooled by that kid. he used AD as a stepping stone and played us perfectly.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:37 am
if we win this game will you feel any differently about knapp?
if we win out do you feel any differently about retaining/letting go DA?
December 6th, 2012 at 8:38 am
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:37 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:34 am
My problem with DA is that he looks too much like Lame Kiffin. Damm Weasel face
>. snake or not Kiffin played the Raiders like a fiddle and now has his dream job. Raiders are the lame ones for getting schooled by that kid. he used AD as a stepping stone and played us perfectly.
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And now his dream job is getting spanked by UCLA
December 6th, 2012 at 8:39 am
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:30 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Belicheat shows plenty of fire on the sidelines, just not in pressers. He even ran down that official and put his hands on him earlier in the year. If Belicheat was coaching us, he would have given those refs that blew the call in the Bengals game the business. DA just had a stupid look on his face and didn’t even recognize what was going on.
>> DA is a rookie. do you think belichick was that brash in 91 with the browns in his first year? he wasn’t man. Belichci doesn’t even smile when his team wins a game, the guy is emotionless most of the time.
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What concerns me: if DA is going to stay for a second year who are we going to convince to be his OC and DC. Seems like every up and coming coach we request to interview gets denied by the employing team.
If Gruden were to come back people would be lining up to work with him.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:40 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:36 am
It’s not about showing emotion it’s about wins and losses. I could care less if DA is stone faced all the time as long as he wins. It is pretty obvious this job is too overwhealming for him. He was not ready for prime time. Now we are stuck with a guy who has lost the locker room and doesn’t have a clue how to get it back other than kicking guys out of practice.
>> yeah but you implied that he looked lost when that call was blown. so if he grabbed the ref and screamed at him you would be cool with it. thats senseless. how do you KNOW the job is overwhelming? how can you KNOW that. could it be that the defense is atrocious and we are actually playing better teams this year with a tougher division? and when an employee mouths off to his boss IN FRONT of the other employees he should be fired. thats how the real world works.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 5:40 am
373.fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 5:24 am
2-14… I couldn’t believe how soon knapp gave up on the run last Sunday…. It was working…
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I dont think they have confidence in Stewarts ability to carry a full games load, and Reece was banged up. I think that’s why they moved away from the run.
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Both players averaged 5.1 YPC, so that makes no sense.
Any more excuses for Knapp?
December 6th, 2012 at 8:41 am
DA does not in way deserve a second chance.There is no second chances in the “NOT FOR LONG LEAGUE”. The fans are disgusted! Mark cannot take the chance of this snowballing into next year.The best buisness desision is to fire Reggie and the whole staff or Mark risk’s a half filled stadium next year.Cant do it.Cut your ties and move on.Besides they really suck something awefull.Salary cap and all that crap is exactly that.See ya bottom lip!
December 6th, 2012 at 8:42 am
R8drinOK Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:39 am
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:30 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Belicheat shows plenty of fire on the sidelines, just not in pressers. He even ran down that official and put his hands on him earlier in the year. If Belicheat was coaching us, he would have given those refs that blew the call in the Bengals game the business. DA just had a stupid look on his face and didn’t even recognize what was going on.
>> DA is a rookie. do you think belichick was that brash in 91 with the browns in his first year? he wasn’t man. Belichci doesn’t even smile when his team wins a game, the guy is emotionless most of the time.
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What concerns me: if DA is going to stay for a second year who are we going to convince to be his OC and DC. Seems like every up and coming coach we request to interview gets denied by the employing team.
If Gruden were to come back people would be lining up to work with him.
> you don’t have to convince people to take an opportunity. Raiders need a new OC. they’ll get one, Norv Turner is a possibility there. I’m not getting on the DC because his players fuking suck, the don’t cover or rush the passer.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:43 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:24 am
I would be all for Gregg Williams coming in as the DC next year. “Let’s see if he can run with a torn ACL”.
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HaHaHa!
December 6th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Good morning Nation & Green Party.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:44 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:36 am
It’s not about showing emotion it’s about wins and losses. I could care less if DA is stone faced all the time as long as he wins. It is pretty obvious this job is too overwhealming for him. He was not ready for prime time. Now we are stuck with a guy who has lost the locker room and doesn’t have a clue how to get it back other than kicking guys out of practice.
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It’s not a stone face I see on the sidelines most times. DA seems to be blinking back tears while he’s calling plays behind the playcard. Or is it premature glaucoma? He looks like he’s sighing at times. Is he sleepy? Tired? I’d like to see a little anger over there just to show us he has a pulse.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:44 am
oakfshow Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:41 am
DA does not in way deserve a second chance.There is no second chances in the “NOT FOR LONG LEAGUE”. The fans are disgusted! Mark cannot take the chance of this snowballing into next year.The best buisness desision is to fire Reggie and the whole staff or Mark risk’s a half filled stadium next year.Cant do it.Cut your ties and move on.Besides they really suck something awefull.Salary cap and all that crap is exactly that.See ya bottom lip!
>> DA will be back UNLESS Gruden is hired. accept that fact. Raiders went through Joe Bugel, bill calahan, bed and breakfast. we’ve been through worse IMO. at least this regime is trying to clean out the sh*tbags and not just staying the insanity course.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:45 am
518.guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Please. Give me one redeeming quality that DA has brought to the team. Just what is he good at?
To do this, I suggest making a list of all the responsibilities and duties of a HC and rate one to five. What would the consensus overall score be? 2? 1?
What’s his selling point? Defend DA for me.
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That’s really hard to do.
I’d say that he’s done a decent job using challenges.
Penalties were down for a while.
Look, it’s going to be hard to defend ANY HC with a 3-9 record.
What makes it almost impossible in Tit’s case is that so many of the losses weren’t even COMPETITIVE.
Loising is one thing. Not having the horses is one thing.
Getting repeatedly BLOWN OUT is another thing.
You couple that with what seems to be an emotionless, answerless, demeanor on the sidelines while the thumpings are going down – and it’s really, really hard to defend the guy.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 5:40 am
373.fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 5:24 am
2-14… I couldn’t believe how soon knapp gave up on the run last Sunday…. It was working…
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I dont think they have confidence in Stewarts ability to carry a full games load, and Reece was banged up. I think that’s why they moved away from the run.
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Both players averaged 5.1 YPC, so that makes no sense.
Any more excuses for Knapp?
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I would like to know who referred Knapp to Allen for an interview in the first place? What in his past suggests he would be a great OC?
December 6th, 2012 at 8:45 am
If it’s not for DA changing the offense for the sake of going in a new direction, I wouldn’t be so easy to think differently about him and his head coaching skill.
His specialty is the bend but don’t break defense, which the term i’m not fond of to begin with but he put too much on his plate. Offense would have been one less worry and he should have focused solely on the D.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:46 am
554.manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:40 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:36 am
It’s not about showing emotion it’s about wins and losses. I could care less if DA is stone faced all the time as long as he wins. It is pretty obvious this job is too overwhealming for him. He was not ready for prime time. Now we are stuck with a guy who has lost the locker room and doesn’t have a clue how to get it back other than kicking guys out of practice.
>> yeah but you implied that he looked lost when that call was blown. so if he grabbed the ref and screamed at him you would be cool with it. thats senseless. how do you KNOW the job is overwhelming? how can you KNOW that. could it be that the defense is atrocious and we are actually playing better teams this year with a tougher division? and when an employee mouths off to his boss IN FRONT of the other employees he should be fired. thats how the real world works.
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I implied that in certain situations he looks clueless, overwhealmed, like he doesn’t know what hit him, that’s just my opinion. As a player that look does not inspire confidence. I also implied that Belichick shows fire when he needs to, plus with his resume, he doesn’t need to show fire, his players respect him. DA has not proven anything to this point. The players don’t respect him period.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:48 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:44 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:36 am
It’s not about showing emotion it’s about wins and losses. I could care less if DA is stone faced all the time as long as he wins. It is pretty obvious this job is too overwhealming for him. He was not ready for prime time. Now we are stuck with a guy who has lost the locker room and doesn’t have a clue how to get it back other than kicking guys out of practice.
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It’s not a stone face I see on the sidelines most times. DA seems to be blinking back tears while he’s calling plays behind the playcard. Or is it premature glaucoma? He looks like he’s sighing at times. Is he sleepy? Tired? I’d like to see a little anger over there just to show us he has a pulse.
>> I’m cutting DA a break, he hasn’t been reckless(going for it at his own 30 yard line or throwing a deep ball on 4th and 1 nor has he pushed for idiotic panic driven trades, nor has he blamed other people for his failures. DA is struggling but he has character I’ll back this dude UNLESS Gruden is hired then I’ll be on the Gruden bandwagon for common sense reasons.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Not to mention all of DA’s decisions are that of a High School coach. Meddling with the offense when he isn’t even an offensive coach. Trying to fix something that wasn’t broken. This team could have easily been 7-9 maybe 8-8 with a better coach – better decision making, better play calling.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:49 am
>> DA will be back UNLESS Gruden is hired. accept that fact. Raiders went through Joe Bugel, bill calahan, bed and breakfast. we’ve been through worse IMO. at least this regime is trying to clean out the sh*tbags and not just staying the insanity course.
And once again I will be here to remind this person of his most goofy response.DA is gone no doubt about it.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:50 am
manassamauler Says:
What concerns me: if DA is going to stay for a second year who are we going to convince to be his OC and DC. Seems like every up and coming coach we request to interview gets denied by the employing team.
If Gruden were to come back people would be lining up to work with him.
> you don’t have to convince people to take an opportunity. Raiders need a new OC. they’ll get one, Norv Turner is a possibility there. I’m not getting on the DC because his players fuking suck, the don’t cover or rush the passer.
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True, but isn’t Allen’s biggest problem not having any seasoned coaches with a history of success? I can’t see Norv coming back to work under Allen.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:50 am
R8drinOK Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 5:40 am
373.fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 5:24 am
2-14… I couldn’t believe how soon knapp gave up on the run last Sunday…. It was working…
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I dont think they have confidence in Stewarts ability to carry a full games load, and Reece was banged up. I think that’s why they moved away from the run.
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Both players averaged 5.1 YPC, so that makes no sense.
Any more excuses for Knapp?
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I would like to know who referred Knapp to Allen for an interview in the first place? What in his past suggests he would be a great OC?
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They were coaching together in ATL. They are friends.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:51 am
I implied that in certain situations he looks clueless, overwhealmed, like he doesn’t know what hit him, that’s just my opinion. As a player that look does not inspire confidence. I also implied that Belichick shows fire when he needs to, plus with his resume, he doesn’t need to show fire, his players respect him. DA has not proven anything to this point. The players don’t respect him period.
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agreed. And I won’t cut him any slack at the end of the season regardless.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:52 am
O !!
good morning Mr. V.P. !!
whats the good word today ??
December 6th, 2012 at 8:52 am
The worst DA moment is when John Hardbaugh runs a Fake FG at him and continues on with his blank expression.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:52 am
536.boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Belicheat shows plenty of fire on the sidelines, just not in pressers. He even ran down that official and put his hands on him earlier in the year. If Belicheat was coaching us, he would have given those refs that blew the call in the Bengals game the business. DA just had a stupid look on his face and didn’t even recognize what was going on.
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DA seems to be committed to sounding and acting like he belongs.
He’s memorized the book “How to sound and act like an NFL head coach”. He’s got it down.
I know DA has his challenges with this roster and what not but we should be better than this…imo.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:53 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:46 am
554.manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:40 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:36 am
It’s not about showing emotion it’s about wins and losses. I could care less if DA is stone faced all the time as long as he wins. It is pretty obvious this job is too overwhealming for him. He was not ready for prime time. Now we are stuck with a guy who has lost the locker room and doesn’t have a clue how to get it back other than kicking guys out of practice.
>> yeah but you implied that he looked lost when that call was blown. so if he grabbed the ref and screamed at him you would be cool with it. thats senseless. how do you KNOW the job is overwhelming? how can you KNOW that. could it be that the defense is atrocious and we are actually playing better teams this year with a tougher division? and when an employee mouths off to his boss IN FRONT of the other employees he should be fired. thats how the real world works.
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I implied that in certain situations he looks clueless, overwhealmed, like he doesn’t know what hit him, that’s just my opinion. As a player that look does not inspire confidence. I also implied that Belichick shows fire when he needs to, plus with his resume, he doesn’t need to show fire, his players respect him. DA has not proven anything to this point. The players don’t respect him period.
>> the team QUIT on Bill Callahan in 03 after he called them the dumbest team in america. i know what it looks like when a team quits and its a complete loss of control. this team is getting his a** handed to them by superior teams, Broncos, ravens, saints and even the bengals. But i think this defense sucked last year and in 2010 but we had a soft schedule and a cupcake division to play in.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Exactly…
Thats why it saddens me that the ONLY acceptable outcome here is a COMPLETE 3-13 faceplant.
THAT will force davis’ hand to move on (regardless if gruden is there for the job or not).
If they do better than 3-13 AND gruden is UNavaialble then i think allen has a pretty good chance of staying, (unfortunately).
PS I do think reggie should stay. hes on notice but needs more time.
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# inonewordraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:37 am
if we win this game will you feel any differently about knapp?
if we win out do you feel any differently about retaining/letting go DA?
December 6th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Its not D.A’s demeanor that bothers me at all. Its the product on the field, plain and simple. Guys look clueless.
The only people on that field that look like they know what they are doing besides Lechler and Jano are:
Palmer
Reece
Veldheer
Wheeler
Everyone else is freakin clueless.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Sabah el kheer, habibi! lol
December 6th, 2012 at 8:54 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:52 am
The worst DA moment is when John Hardbaugh runs a Fake FG at him and continues on with his blank expression.
>> what would be the appropriate response?
December 6th, 2012 at 8:54 am
ODB,
Good day sir.
Haven’t you Heard?
Bird
Bird
Bird
Bird is the word! lol
December 6th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Please. Give me one redeeming quality that DA has brought to the team. Just what is he good at?
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I can’t really think of one at the moment……Maybe it’s all behind the scenes.
Just me personally but, at this juncture, I’d feel a little better if I saw DA yelling on the sideline. Lets see some neck veins; maybe a little spit flying out. Get in a players damn face.
I dunno, maybe it’s my Marine Corps days kicking in but we had a saying…….”The beatings will continue, until morale improves.”
Seems crazy but, it never failed. Once it dawned on us that we were gonna be thrashed and “F”ed with until things changed, surprisingly, guys started performing better; go figure.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Sabah el noor Ya Qurd. lol
December 6th, 2012 at 8:56 am
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:54 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:52 am
The worst DA moment is when John Hardbaugh runs a Fake FG at him and continues on with his blank expression.
>> what would be the appropriate response?
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Anger, disgust. Toward Hardbaugh or his players.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:56 am
MikieG Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Its not D.A’s demeanor that bothers me at all. Its the product on the field, plain and simple. Guys look clueless.
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I agree. The other stuff like his mannerisms and his cliche’s get amplified when he has no success on the field.
All that “personal” stuff gets overlooked if he’s having “success” and winning games.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Teams don’t just collectively decide to quit on a coach unless the coach is not doing his homework. It’s clear that DA isn’t ready for the role of HC and is on the hard side of the learning curve. The job is a brutal one for newbie coaches. And most need some time as coordinators with success before they make the leap. DA had one whole season as a DC. He was a terrible hire and completely unprepared for this. And I agree that the team has already packed in in.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:50 am
They were coaching together in ATL. They are friends.
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Thanks Raider O…this explains a lot. If we don’t win at least 3 of the next 4 he’s gone. Mark is looking for major improvement. Any rookie coach worth keeping will have their teams playing better at the end of the season.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:59 am
>> the team QUIT on Bill Callahan in 03 after he called them the dumbest team in america. i know what it looks like when a team quits and its a complete loss of control. this team is getting his a** handed to them by superior teams, Broncos, ravens, saints and even the bengals. But i think this defense sucked last year and in 2010 but we had a soft schedule and a cupcake division to play in.
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The only opinion that matters is that of Mark’s. In his eyes, DA should have fielded a more competitive team, players have regressed under DA, reading between the lines, in these last 4 games there better be some progress, some fire, some competitiveness or DA will be shown the door or will be demoted. No doubt Mark reached out to Gruden to talk about next year. Maybe it was just talk, no terms have been discussed yet, but if these next 4 games are similar the last 4, rest assured there will be serious talks between Mark and Gruden about next year.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Maybe it’s just not reported enough, but the only thing i’ve ever heard DA do for motivation was get everyone baseball bats for the Steelers game. Which worked, and was never done again. Even Tom Cable took everyone bowling.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:00 am
I don’t understand why some fans want DA to stay. What has he done to earn another year? Don’t tell Me about the mess Al left, or what other coaches did in their rookie year. Tell me what he has done to earn another year as our HC?
December 6th, 2012 at 9:01 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:56 am
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:54 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:52 am
The worst DA moment is when John Hardbaugh runs a Fake FG at him and continues on with his blank expression.
>> what would be the appropriate response?
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Anger, disgust. Toward Hardbaugh or his players.
>> so if DA yells and throws his headset and loses 55-20 its cool but if he uses common sense and realizes that its the Raiders JOB to stop them he’s a sh*tbag?
December 6th, 2012 at 9:01 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:56 am
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:54 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:52 am
The worst DA moment is when John Hardbaugh runs a Fake FG at him and continues on with his blank expression.
>> what would be the appropriate response?
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Anger, disgust. Toward Hardbaugh or his players.
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Yeah, maybe an explitive or two, or even stand there gnashing his teeth……SOMETHING. I want to know that it’s NOT Ok…Cause DAMNIT….IT WASN’T. I was cussin Harbaugh so bad after that play that my girl came flyin around the corner asking me what was the matter.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:02 am
listen guys (in my reggie voice)….
3-13 is the only way…..
mark will be forced to re-assess everything and reggie knowing this WILL acquiesce to davis because he will be feeling the steel on his throat as well.
“sure mark, lets try another direction”
if we ‘rally’ to 6-10 there will be a counterpoint to this path. i dont want one.
i want post season analysis to force us to move on in a substantive way. as a ‘bonus’ to 3-13 we get better draft selection/options.
ive seen too much already. DA must go and 3-13 will do it. in fact it might be teh ONLY wy to do it (unless gruden rumors are indeed true)
sorry… (actually, im not sorry)
December 6th, 2012 at 9:04 am
555.Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 5:40 am
373.fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 5:24 am
2-14… I couldn’t believe how soon knapp gave up on the run last Sunday…. It was working…
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I dont think they have confidence in Stewarts ability to carry a full games load, and Reece was banged up. I think that’s why they moved away from the run.
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Both players averaged 5.1 YPC, so that makes no sense.
Any more excuses for Knapp?
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Excuse? Excuse implies I was defending him. I was not. I agreed that we should have kept running the ball. I simply gave my opinion on the REASON he did what he did. Not everything is an excuse, but you seem to have lost the ability to objectively read comments on here, and instead just choose to attack anyone who says anything other than FIRE DA FIRE KNAPP FIRE TARVER FIRE REGGIE…
December 6th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Maybe DA held back from being a players coach and building relationships because he knew, deep down inside that most of these players wouldn’t be around next year?
He also couldn’t look like he was playing preferences with some players over others.
Just a thought.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:04 am
>> so if DA yells and throws his headset and loses 55-20 its cool but if he uses common sense and realizes that its the Raiders JOB to stop them he’s a sh*tbag?
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Yeah, him standing there as if they deserved it made so much sense. Not tearing into player boasting while down 30, then letting another coach embarrass you even further. Please don’t ever attempt to use common sense again, because it isn’t that common.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:00 am
I don’t understand why some fans want DA to stay. What has he done to earn another year? Don’t tell Me about the mess Al left, or what other coaches did in their rookie year. Tell me what he has done to earn another year as our HC?
>> he’s done better than Hue Jackson. DA has had a WAY tougher schedule, is coaching a team purged of what little talent the did have on defense and doesn’t call 40 yard pass plays on 4th and 1. or trade 1st round picks for retired QBS or talk sh*t about his team to the press. i always here “we were 8-8 with hue” on here, but just look at the competition in 2011 and 11 people and compare
December 6th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Just look at Jim Harbaugh’s demeanor on the sidelines compared to DA’s. Now look at the accountability, discipline 49er players show on the field compared to the Raiders. Draw your own conclusions from there.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:04 am
555.Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 5:40 am
373.fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 5:24 am
2-14… I couldn’t believe how soon knapp gave up on the run last Sunday…. It was working…
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I dont think they have confidence in Stewarts ability to carry a full games load, and Reece was banged up. I think that’s why they moved away from the run.
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Both players averaged 5.1 YPC, so that makes no sense.
Any more excuses for Knapp?
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Excuse? Excuse implies I was defending him. I was not. I agreed that we should have kept running the ball. I simply gave my opinion on the REASON he did what he did. Not everything is an excuse, but you seem to have lost the ability to objectively read comments on here, and instead just choose to attack anyone who says anything other than FIRE DA FIRE KNAPP FIRE TARVER FIRE REGGIE…
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You feel attacked by my post? lol
December 6th, 2012 at 9:07 am
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:00 am
I don’t understand why some fans want DA to stay. What has he done to earn another year? Don’t tell Me about the mess Al left, or what other coaches did in their rookie year. Tell me what he has done to earn another year as our HC?
>> he’s done better than Hue Jackson. DA has had a WAY tougher schedule, is coaching a team purged of what little talent the did have on defense and doesn’t call 40 yard pass plays on 4th and 1. or trade 1st round picks for retired QBS or talk sh*t about his team to the press. i always here “we were 8-8 with hue” on here, but just look at the competition in 2011 and 11 people and compare
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What’s so great about this years competition? Aside from the Broncos, everyone got worse. Bengals, Sants, Bucs, Fins are all mediocre teams. How has DA done any better by getting blown out more often.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:07 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:04 am
>> so if DA yells and throws his headset and loses 55-20 its cool but if he uses common sense and realizes that its the Raiders JOB to stop them he’s a sh*tbag?
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Yeah, him standing there as if they deserved it made so much sense. Not tearing into player boasting while down 30, then letting another coach embarrass you even further. Please don’t ever attempt to use common sense again, because it isn’t that common.
>> should he have dropped the headset and taken a swing at harbaugh or thrown the gatorade jug at joe flacco?? he stood there because as a rational person he knows that there is nothing else he could do. it was the Raiders JOB to stop the Ravens and they didn’t. this is the NFL. i wouldn’t have blamed harbaugh either, finger pointing is for pussies, if you don’t like what the Ravens did you should have STOPPED THEM.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
I want to know that it’s NOT Ok…Cause DAMNIT….IT WASN’T. I was cussin Harbaugh so bad after that play that my girl came flyin around the corner asking me what was the matter.
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There’s no rule that says they can’t do that. If I thought the Raiders would convert 100% of the time on fakes, I would be all for doing it no matter the score. The NFL isn’t a game where you need to spare people’s feelings.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:00 am
I don’t understand why some fans want DA to stay. What has he done to earn another year? Don’t tell Me about the mess Al left, or what other coaches did in their rookie year. Tell me what he has done to earn another year as our HC?
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like i said earlier… hes young and cute !! lol lol lol
December 6th, 2012 at 9:09 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:07 am
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:00 am
I don’t understand why some fans want DA to stay. What has he done to earn another year? Don’t tell Me about the mess Al left, or what other coaches did in their rookie year. Tell me what he has done to earn another year as our HC?
>> he’s done better than Hue Jackson. DA has had a WAY tougher schedule, is coaching a team purged of what little talent the did have on defense and doesn’t call 40 yard pass plays on 4th and 1. or trade 1st round picks for retired QBS or talk sh*t about his team to the press. i always here “we were 8-8 with hue” on here, but just look at the competition in 2011 and 11 people and compare
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What’s so great about this years competition? Aside from the Broncos, everyone got worse. Bengals, Sants, Bucs, Fins are all mediocre teams. How has DA done any better by getting blown out more often.
>. umm seriously, this team played the AFC north and NFC south this year and we now have peyton manning in the west. last year we played the AFC east and NFC north along with a crappier division. 2010 was EVEN easier.this was the toughest schedule in years.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:11 am
>> should he have dropped the headset and taken a swing at harbaugh or thrown the gatorade jug at joe flacco?? he stood there because as a rational person he knows that there is nothing else he could do. it was the Raiders JOB to stop the Ravens and they didn’t. this is the NFL. i wouldn’t have blamed harbaugh either, finger pointing is for pussies, if you don’t like what the Ravens did you should have STOPPED THEM.
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Or how about getting after Hanson for trash talking Boldin while getting blown out. How about ripping into your own special teams for allowing the punter to run in untouched? It’s the Raiders Job to stop them, yes, so do your job. Maybe let Hardbaugh no that’s wasn’t ok, not that he’ll give a $h!t but it’ll show your own players you care.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:11 am
RaidingTexas Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
I want to know that it’s NOT Ok…Cause DAMNIT….IT WASN’T. I was cussin Harbaugh so bad after that play that my girl came flyin around the corner asking me what was the matter.
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There’s no rule that says they can’t do that. If I thought the Raiders would convert 100% of the time on fakes, I would be all for doing it no matter the score. The NFL isn’t a game where you need to spare people’s feelings.
>> exactly, there is no mercy rule in the NFL. people on here are crying a river about the Ravens. its the Raiders JOB to stop them, they didn’t, so why would Dennis Allen get mad the Harbaugh? lot of emotionally laced comments on this site
December 6th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Bcz,
Maybe if you didn’t create so many excuses for this staff, people would objectively read your posts.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Raiders are going to be embarrassed tonight I feel bad for Lamar Houston he’s the only player who’s bringing it on every play while other are just cashing their checks
December 6th, 2012 at 9:12 am
604.
That’s all I’m sayin
December 6th, 2012 at 9:12 am
It’s not about the tough schedule it’s about the eye test. Under Hue last year’s team was watchable. Under DA, this team is unwatchable. Actually I will watch tonight because it will be a comedy show.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:13 am
I look at some of the successful coaches and most of them seem to be their own guys.
-John Harbaugh. He’s not afraid to slap guys high fives and get cocky…rarely employs worn out cliche’s and by all accounts is a good coach. He seems like a “real” person.
-Jim Harbaugh. The top up and comer coach in the league. Does what he thinks is best even though it’s unpopular. Will do whatever it takes to win…the only thing that concerns him. He doesn’t care what anybody thinks.
-Tomlin. Always talking about “Steeler Football” and “hittin ‘em in the mouth” etc.
-John Fox. He’s just a regular guy. No cliches really. Seems to enjoy his job and has a bit of a mean streak.
-Belichik. He may be quiet but he has a “presence” about him where he doesn’t need to jump up and down to make his point. He’s ruthless in his decisions if he feels a move has to made. The benching of Welker comes to mind. He tells a player how it is and that’s it..period.
“At the end of the day” it all comes down to winning and losing.
DA wins and none of this other stuff gets mentioned.
He loses…and everybody tries to figure out why…searching for answers.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:13 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:00 am
I don’t understand why some fans want DA to stay. What has he done to earn another year? Don’t tell Me about the mess Al left, or what other coaches did in their rookie year. Tell me what he has done to earn another year as our HC?
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like i said earlier… hes young and cute !! lol lol lol
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LMAO
Long Live The ODB!
Btw, you think Titty Monkey is cute?
Still LOL
December 6th, 2012 at 9:13 am
602.R8ER MIKE Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:00 am
I don’t understand why some fans want DA to stay. What has he done to earn another year? Don’t tell Me about the mess Al left, or what other coaches did in their rookie year. Tell me what he has done to earn another year as our HC?
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like i said earlier… hes young and cute !! lol lol lol
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Some people have an affinity for his tits.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:14 am
>. umm seriously, this team played the AFC north and NFC south this year and we now have peyton manning in the west. last year we played the AFC east and NFC north along with a crappier division. 2010 was EVEN easier.this was the toughest schedule in years.
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We had the Ravens missing their starting corner, Ray Lewis and Ngata hurt. Still couldn’t even stay on the field with em while the Stoolers beat em with Charlie Batch. Bengals and Browns stomped us. Couldn’t throw on the Saints 32nd ranked pass defense. Bucs without their starting Corners beat us, etc… Does arguing schedules really make you feel good about this season?
December 6th, 2012 at 9:14 am
raiders are heading to 3-13 and a top 3 pick. what I would like to see is for Terrell Pryor st start the rest of the way to find out if this team needs to take a QB with that top 3 pick. Playing Palmer is for stat padding and makes no difference for this team. he’s not a long term answer. thanks HUE
December 6th, 2012 at 9:17 am
RaidingTexas Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
I want to know that it’s NOT Ok…Cause DAMNIT….IT WASN’T. I was cussin Harbaugh so bad after that play that my girl came flyin around the corner asking me what was the matter.
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There’s no rule that says they can’t do that. If I thought the Raiders would convert 100% of the time on fakes, I would be all for doing it no matter the score. The NFL isn’t a game where you need to spare people’s feelings.
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I don’t blame the call, I’d love the call if it wasn’t against us. I remember in the 59-14 game vs Denver Tom Cable and Hue calling for a deep throw to Nick Miller that got PI’d on the Goal line We were up 30 at that point. i have an issue with DA being so non chalaunt about it. Like it didn’t matter. Problem is it does matter.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:18 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:14 am
>. umm seriously, this team played the AFC north and NFC south this year and we now have peyton manning in the west. last year we played the AFC east and NFC north along with a crappier division. 2010 was EVEN easier.this was the toughest schedule in years.
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We had the Ravens missing their starting corner, Ray Lewis and Ngata hurt. Still couldn’t even stay on the field with em while the Stoolers beat em with Charlie Batch. Bengals and Browns stomped us. Couldn’t throw on the Saints 32nd ranked pass defense. Bucs without their starting Corners beat us, etc… Does arguing schedules really make you feel good about this season?
>> not about feeling good, people on here swear this team was “close” in 10 and 11. what i say is that we played easier opponents and the AFC west was weak. This team was never close IMO. they were smoked by every top team they played in 2010 and 11. steelers, PATS, packers you name it. we all bought into the hype. Rebuild should have started 2 years ago.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Personally, I like a HC that shows emotion on the sidelines, is interacting with his assistants, and is barking at or encouraging his players as necessary.
DA isn’t that type of coach. Doesn’t mean that makes him a poor coach – but he’s not the type I’d prefer to have.
One of the things about Art Shell that drove me crazy was his stoic sideline demeanor.
Tits is almost as bad in that regard.
I think one of the reasons Raider fans get excited about a Gruden return is that it even if you don’t think Chucky is a great coach, at least you know there’s going to be some snarling and emotion on the sidelines, instead of the lifelessness currently being exhibited.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:20 am
601.RaidingTexas Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
I want to know that it’s NOT Ok…Cause DAMNIT….IT WASN’T. I was cussin Harbaugh so bad after that play that my girl came flyin around the corner asking me what was the matter.
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There’s no rule that says they can’t do that. If I thought the Raiders would convert 100% of the time on fakes, I would be all for doing it no matter the score. The NFL isn’t a game where you need to spare people’s feelings.
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True, but there is a certain decorum i think most coaches subscribe to.
If you are up 21-0 with under a minute left and instead of taking a knee, you fake taking a knee and throw for a wide open touchdown to make it 28-0.
The play was there…and they took it.
Certain things you just don’t do.
Baltimore was up what…46-17 or something at the time?
I did not like the way DA just stood there with that “I just got insulted by Lloyd Bentsen” Dan Quayle face after that.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:20 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:13 am
I look at some of the successful coaches and most of them seem to be their own guys.
-John Harbaugh. He’s not afraid to slap guys high fives and get cocky…rarely employs worn out cliche’s and by all accounts is a good coach. He seems like a “real” person.
-Jim Harbaugh. The top up and comer coach in the league. Does what he thinks is best even though it’s unpopular. Will do whatever it takes to win…the only thing that concerns him. He doesn’t care what anybody thinks.
-Tomlin. Always talking about “Steeler Football” and “hittin ‘em in the mouth” etc.
-John Fox. He’s just a regular guy. No cliches really. Seems to enjoy his job and has a bit of a mean streak.
-Belichik. He may be quiet but he has a “presence” about him where he doesn’t need to jump up and down to make his point. He’s ruthless in his decisions if he feels a move has to made. The benching of Welker comes to mind. He tells a player how it is and that’s it..period.
“At the end of the day” it all comes down to winning and losing.
DA wins and none of this other stuff gets mentioned.
He loses…and everybody tries to figure out why…searching for answers.
>. you have too much common sense. If DA throws his clipboard while losing 55-20 people on here are cool with him. thats the “logic” I’m hearing here.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:21 am
>> not about feeling good, people on here swear this team was “close” in 10 and 11. what i say is that we played easier opponents and the AFC west was weak. This team was never close IMO. they were smoked by every top team they played in 2010 and 11. steelers, PATS, packers you name it. we all bought into the hype. Rebuild should have started 2 years ago.
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No one here expected DA to take us to the SB. Win the Division, sure before we got a look at Manning it was possible. I’d even be ok with 7-9, but this teams hasn’t even looked good enough to be 3-9, if anything those 3 wins were a pleasant surprise looking back.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:13 am
LMAO
Long Live The ODB!
Btw, you think Titty Monkey is cute?
Still LOL
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lol damn right its gotta be the titties and the visor !!!
December 6th, 2012 at 9:22 am
theghostronin79 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:55 am
”The beatings will continue, until morale improves.”
Seems crazy but, it never failed. Once it dawned on us that we were gonna be thrashed and “F”ed with until things changed, surprisingly, guys started performing better; go figure.
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Love it!
December 6th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Trees make the world go round and turns frowns upside down.
Smoke up my friends.
Shout out to the Green party! I’ll make sure to fire up a fatty in behalf of my unfortunate martian brothers who couldn’t make the trip to Northern Cali.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:22 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:20 am
601.RaidingTexas Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
I want to know that it’s NOT Ok…Cause DAMNIT….IT WASN’T. I was cussin Harbaugh so bad after that play that my girl came flyin around the corner asking me what was the matter.
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There’s no rule that says they can’t do that. If I thought the Raiders would convert 100% of the time on fakes, I would be all for doing it no matter the score. The NFL isn’t a game where you need to spare people’s feelings.
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True, but there is a certain decorum i think most coaches subscribe to.
If you are up 21-0 with under a minute left and instead of taking a knee, you fake taking a knee and throw for a wide open touchdown to make it 28-0.
The play was there…and they took it.
Certain things you just don’t do.
Baltimore was up what…46-17 or something at the time?
I did not like the way DA just stood there with that “I just got insulted by Lloyd Bentsen” Dan Quayle face after that.
>> why not run up the score? once again why should DA get pissed at the ravens when its HIS JOB to stop them? not as bad as the Rams onside kicking late in a game when they were up by 30 points. that actually happened back in the warner days
December 6th, 2012 at 9:22 am
I’m down with 3-13 too. But at least would like to see the guys who have soldiered thru the season the opportunity to win and take the bad taste from their mouths. Nows not the time to tinker with TP. I don’t think there will ever be a time for TP. If anything bring in Leinart if you want to wave the white flag. At least it will be a series of boring 3 and outs and not embarrasing pick sixes with TP. The players deserve better than to go 3rd string on them.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:23 am
I just hate the thought of giving these guys a pass because of what Al or Hue did in the past. It’s one thing to lose to good teams, but to not even have this team playing hard is total failure, despite level of talent.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:24 am
606.Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Bcz,
Maybe if you didn’t create so many excuses for this staff, people would objectively read your posts.
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Whatever dude. You were screaming about firing everyone in week 1. That’s garbage.
I said the other day, after all I have seen thus far there is NO ONE in the entire organization from Mark down to the ball boy who I care if leaves/gets fired,traded,cut after the season. NO ONE.
If I come up with a theory as to why something is done, it is not ‘making excuses’ or defending anyone. I don’t give a flying frog’s fat ass about any of these guys. I am simply trying to do something more creative and enjoyable with my time than spending ours beating my head against the wall chanting FIRE REGGIE *slam* FIRE DA *slam* FIRE KNAPP *slam*…
December 6th, 2012 at 9:24 am
In less than a season under Reggie, Raider fans have gone from thinking the Raiders can win on any given Sunday to fans that are hoping not too be embarrassed too badly.
Year 2 under Reggie will be worse.
Donkeys 72 Raiders 23
December 6th, 2012 at 9:25 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:13 am
LMAO
Long Live The ODB!
Btw, you think Titty Monkey is cute?
Still LOL
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lol damn right its gotta be the titties and the visor !!!
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DA is a hermaphrodite??
December 6th, 2012 at 9:25 am
DMAC !!
good day Mr.Prez !!
December 6th, 2012 at 9:25 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:22 am
I’m down with 3-13 too. But at least would like to see the guys who have soldiered thru the season the opportunity to win and take the bad taste from their mouths. Nows not the time to tinker with TP. I don’t think there will ever be a time for TP. If anything bring in Leinart if you want to wave the white flag. At least it will be a series of boring 3 and outs and not embarrasing pick sixes with TP. The players deserve better than to go 3rd string on them.
>. just put Pryor in, need to know whether to draft a QB in the first round or not. 4 games will give SOME kind of idea. need to do it now though. Palmer is a millstone around the teams neck
December 6th, 2012 at 9:26 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:56 am
MikieG Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Its not D.A’s demeanor that bothers me at all. Its the product on the field, plain and simple. Guys look clueless.
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I agree. The other stuff like his mannerisms and his cliche’s get amplified when he has no success on the field.
All that “personal” stuff gets overlooked if he’s having “success” and winning games.
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Yep, Look at guys Like Tony Dungy..he isn’t up in anyones face. Ever. Dude has had 1 losing season in his entire coaching Career..His first season with the Bucs…
You gotta win though if you want to play the calm, cool, and collected role..
December 6th, 2012 at 9:26 am
The benching of Welker comes to mind. He tells a player how it is and that’s it..period
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When was Welker benched?
December 6th, 2012 at 9:26 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:23 am
I just hate the thought of giving these guys a pass because of what Al or Hue did in the past. It’s one thing to lose to good teams, but to not even have this team playing hard is total failure, despite level of talent.
>> the carson palmer trade was the dumbest trade in raider history. worst i can remember
December 6th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Catch up with you guys game time
December 6th, 2012 at 9:28 am
633.bcz24 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:26 am
The benching of Welker comes to mind. He tells a player how it is and that’s it..period
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When was Welker benched?
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For a quarter or a half after his Rex Ryan feet jokes.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:28 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:25 am
DMAC !!
good day Mr.Prez !!
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What up up ODB!
I owe you and O Dog a smoke out session.
It will happen one day brotherrrrrr.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:29 am
I hate to fuel a rumor but Gruden would do just fine with Palmer. Most coaches with some sense would. Unfortunately, we have Knapp.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:29 am
You guys want this team close ? Against top passing teams? Lol remind me again when was the last good passing team we were close against?
December 6th, 2012 at 9:30 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:29 am
I hate to fuel a rumor but Gruden would do just fine with Palmer. Most coaches with some sense would. Unfortunately, we have Knapp.
>. Gruden might put TP in actually. has the skillset that Gruden had with Gannon
December 6th, 2012 at 9:30 am
639.mcfadden20. Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:29 am
You guys want this team close ? Against top passing teams? Lol remind me again when was the last good passing team we were close against?
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Atlanta? SD? Detroit? Denver in 2010?
December 6th, 2012 at 9:31 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:29 am
You guys want this team close ? Against top passing teams? Lol remind me again when was the last good passing team we were close against?
>> don’t even try man, the Raiders were “close” to a superbowl run and DA ruined it.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:32 am
DJ Johnny Says:
True, but there is a certain decorum i think most coaches subscribe to.
If you are up 21-0 with under a minute left and instead of taking a knee, you fake taking a knee and throw for a wide open touchdown to make it 28-0.
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Yes, most coaches don’t do it. But maybe they had seen something in film that the Raiders don’t seem to protect against this. So then maybe he did it to serve notice to DA. “You need to take care of this, rookie.”
I don’t know. But I do know it wouldn’t have done any good for DA to call out Harbaugh for doing it. It was within the rules of the game.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Gruden might put TP in actually. has the skillset that Gruden had with Gannon
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Doubt it. Gruden would stick in a seasoned veteran. CP is a gunslinger but you can tell after the games where he made his mistakes and owns them. He knew the right play but chose to gamble.
CP will make a good coach one day.
Gruden or any QB ‘guru’ would get the best out of him.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:34 am
im already taking heat from donk fans…this svcks…
December 6th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
Raiders are going to be embarrassed tonight I feel bad for Lamar Houston he’s the only player who’s bringing it on every play while other are just cashing their checks
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I think there are a few others who bring it, but their level of “bring it” just isn’t good enough for the NFL.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:34 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:30 am
639.mcfadden20. Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:29 am
You guys want this team close ? Against top passing teams? Lol remind me again when was the last good passing team we were close against?
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Atlanta? SD? Detroit? Denver in 2010?
>> Atlanta game defies logic, i give you that. and detroit and denver in 2010? how abut green bay and NE in 2011, or PITT in 2010? raiders didn’t beat ANY good teams in 2010,not one, chargettes weren’t good. they didn’t beat any good teams in 2011 either! think about. raiders actually beating the steelers in week 3 was their best win against a quality opponent in these last 3 seasons. seriously. This team was NOT GOOD in 10 or 11.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Don’t act as if Gannon was a terrific QB, before coming to Oakland. Gruden utilized Gannon the right way and got the most out of him.
He already has his Gannon in CP3 and I’m sure he would bring out the best of him 2.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:35 am
A to TheBay Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Gruden might put TP in actually. has the skillset that Gruden had with Gannon
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Doubt it. Gruden would stick in a seasoned veteran. CP is a gunslinger but you can tell after the games where he made his mistakes and owns them. He knew the right play but chose to gamble.
CP will make a good coach one day.
Gruden or any QB ‘guru’ would get the best out of him.
>. Gruden coaching palmer to Glory would be fine by me, but I don’t see any future for Palmer here any other way
December 6th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Whatever dude. You were screaming about firing everyone in week 1. That’s garbage.
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That’s a lie. Show me one post that said we should fire everyone from the 1st few weeks? I said we should fire Knapp.
Don’t lie. It’s pathetic.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:37 am
DMAC Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Don’t act as if Gannon was a terrific QB, before coming to Oakland. Gruden utilized Gannon the right way and got the most out of him.
He already has his Gannon in CP3 and I’m sure he would bring out the best of him 2.
>. Gannon was a 2nd stringer before Gruden so nobody knew anything about him. Gruden gave him a chance. Gannon was the Raider QB I’ve SEEN in my days. not even close.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:38 am
DMAC Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:28 am
What up up ODB!
I owe you and O Dog a smoke out session.
It will happen one day brotherrrrrr.
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sir, yes,sir !! without a doubt !!
December 6th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Btw, creating excuses is pathetic too, and do you tolerate excuses as a manager? I don’t think so.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:41 am
I hope we see TP jogging out to the huddle as the starter tonight. won’t happen but would a ballsy move and makes more sense.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:42 am
manassamauler
question was when was the last time we were close with a good passing team.
ATL this year
SD in 2011 (beat them once, lost in final minutes the other)
Det in 2011 (should have won)
Denver was a prolific passing team in 2010, they just weren’t a winning team and we smoked them once and then beat em again.
I’m sure there’s a few others.
Point is, the general consensus (sp?) was that we were a DC away from the playoffs at the end of last year. I stand by that.
Buffalo, Detroit, SD all could have been won with more more defensive stand (you can make the argument for one more offensive 1st down but if you look at those games as a whole, offense did its job, defense failed).
I just want to be 9-7. let’s take it from there. I can wait for a SB but it’s getting tough waiting to break .550.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:43 am
I’m sure the Donks have been preparing for CP3. Time to unleash Bruce Leroy. WTF to we have to lose?
They won’t know what hit them!
December 6th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Dear DA,
Repeat after me:
The quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard.
Rule No. 1.: Cheating is encouraged.
Rule No. 2.: See Rule No. 1.
Sincerely,
Not losing by 50 tonight
p.s. For the love of god, will somebody hit Manning in the neck?!
December 6th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Gruden has zero track record of developing young QB’s.
He does wonders with old vets though. I look at at QB like Palmer at 33 years of age and a 49 year old Gruden as a match made in Raider heaven.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Buffalo, Detroit, SD all could have been won with ONE more defensive stand*
December 6th, 2012 at 9:45 am
I wonder if TP could run the pistol offense here w/ proper coaching?
December 6th, 2012 at 9:45 am
He does wonders with old vets though. I look at at QB like Palmer at 33 years of age and a 49 year old Gruden as a match made in Raider heaven.
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Exactly. A good vet QB like CP can do wonders in Gruden’s system. Look at Gannon & Johnson.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:46 am
“I wonder if TP could run the pistol offense here w/ proper coaching?”
He throws like Tebow otherwise he is a great athlete!
December 6th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Btw, I don’t think we will fire DA after 1 year since we gave him a 4 year contract. We have to pay him for 3 years, and pay a new HC coach if we fire DA.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:50 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Buffalo, Detroit, SD all could have been won with ONE more defensive stand*
>> what good teams do the Raiders beat in 2010 and 2011? the best team they beat was the Queefs in week 8 in 2010. AND THE queefs the best in a turd division BTW. you guys bought into the hype, this team was below average and not even a top 16 team. seriously.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Wassup Good Peoples!!!!
LA, DMac, and Texas …
Wassup FOLKS!!!!
December 6th, 2012 at 9:51 am
666
December 6th, 2012 at 9:51 am
NOLA Raider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Dear DA,
Repeat after me:
The quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard.
Rule No. 1.: Cheating is encouraged.
Rule No. 2.: See Rule No. 1.
Sincerely,
Not losing by 50 tonight
p.s. For the love of god, will somebody hit Manning in the neck?!
>> raiders have 14 sacks as a team, Von Miller has 15 by himself. Manning may not get hit even once. raider offense better score a lot of TDS
December 6th, 2012 at 9:52 am
>. Gannon was a 2nd stringer before Gruden so nobody knew anything about him. Gruden gave him a chance. Gannon was the Raider QB I’ve SEEN in my days. not even close.
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didnt he start for Minnesota before going to Washington ??
December 6th, 2012 at 9:52 am
663.Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Btw, I don’t think we will fire DA after 1 year since we gave him a 4 year contract. We have to pay him for 3 years, and pay a new HC coach if we fire DA.
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If this was Japan, Dennis Allen would do the honorable thing and fall on his sword in the Aokigahara forest for bringing dishonor to his employer and family.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:53 am
J Hill Says:
Wassup Good Peoples!!!!
LA, DMac, and Texas …
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Hey J Hill! GAME DAY!!!
December 6th, 2012 at 9:55 am
J Heezy
What up mayne?
Should of made the trip up north.
We’re going to party before the game like it’s 1999!
December 6th, 2012 at 9:56 am
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:26 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:23 am
I just hate the thought of giving these guys a pass because of what Al or Hue did in the past. It’s one thing to lose to good teams, but to not even have this team playing hard is total failure, despite level of talent.
>> the carson palmer trade was the dumbest trade in raider history. worst i can remember
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Carson Palmer Trade was not good, I blame Hue and Al for not having a proper back up. Why even have Boller on the team if you can’t trust him as a 2nd string QB? but at the time i had no problem with the trade, it was a team in the hunt for the playoffs, desperatly trying to win in a season where the Franchise’s owner passed away.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Bruce Leroy
LMAO
December 6th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Dakota Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:52 am
663.Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Btw, I don’t think we will fire DA after 1 year since we gave him a 4 year contract. We have to pay him for 3 years, and pay a new HC coach if we fire DA.
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If this was Japan, Dennis Allen would do the honorable thing and fall on his sword in the Aokigahara forest for bringing dishonor to his employer and family.
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If this was the Dark Ages, we’d accuse him of being a witch, and burn him at the stake.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:57 am
669.Dakota Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:52 am
663.Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Btw, I don’t think we will fire DA after 1 year since we gave him a 4 year contract. We have to pay him for 3 years, and pay a new HC coach if we fire DA.
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If this was Japan, Dennis Allen would do the honorable thing and fall on his sword in the Aokigahara forest for bringing dishonor to his employer and family.
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At least that is what they would have done in the film Gung-ho!
December 6th, 2012 at 9:57 am
what good teams do the Raiders beat in 2010 and 2011? the best team they beat was the Queefs in week 8 in 2010. AND THE queefs the best in a turd division BTW. you guys bought into the hype, this team was below average and not even a top 16 team. seriously.
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It doesn’t matter, we were beating teams.
Now we’re not. Not we’re losing to mediocre AND good teams.
We got to average and had the pieces in place to be above average.
Firing Hue and blowing up the offense was dumb.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Dakota Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:52 am
663.Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Btw, I don’t think we will fire DA after 1 year since we gave him a 4 year contract. We have to pay him for 3 years, and pay a new HC coach if we fire DA.
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If this was Japan, Dennis Allen would do the honorable thing and fall on his sword in the Aokigahara forest for bringing dishonor to his employer and family.
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LOL
A little extreme but I don’t judge other cultures. Too bad we are not in Japan.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:58 am
674.The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Dakota Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:52 am
663.Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Btw, I don’t think we will fire DA after 1 year since we gave him a 4 year contract. We have to pay him for 3 years, and pay a new HC coach if we fire DA.
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If this was Japan, Dennis Allen would do the honorable thing and fall on his sword in the Aokigahara forest for bringing dishonor to his employer and family.
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If this was the Dark Ages, we’d accuse him of being a witch, and burn him at the stake.
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Seems like the Dark Ages for the Raiders no?
December 6th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Despite all this arguing about coaching, i still feel unusually confident about us winning tonight. Without McGhaee, the Donkeys should beatable. I know we have the tendency to make no name rb’s into Pro Bowlers for one week, but i think we play them close enough to win by 6
December 6th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Dakota Says:
If this was Japan, Dennis Allen would do the honorable thing and fall on his sword in the Aokigahara forest for bringing dishonor to his employer and family.
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Damn, I wish Jimmy Johnson would’ve done that after the ‘89 season. Maybe I wouldn’t have suffered through that 90s dynasty here in Texas.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Seems like the Dark Ages for the Raiders no?
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FOL?
December 6th, 2012 at 10:00 am
I always pictured Brien as one of the characters from the Last Dragon.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:00 am
“Wassup FOLKS!!!!”
Well I myself was thinking DA could write a Country and Western song…He lost 6 games in a row, his father passed away (pays respect) then its rumored that the great and mighty Gruden may replace him as HC…poor basterd.
South Park Voice “They took his Job”
December 6th, 2012 at 10:00 am
681.The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Seems like the Dark Ages for the Raiders no?
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FOL?
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Fk our lives?
December 6th, 2012 at 10:01 am
621.R8ER MIKE Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:13 am
LMAO
Long Live The ODB!
Btw, you think Titty Monkey is cute?
Still LOL
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lol damn right its gotta be the titties and the visor !!!
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If this was the Dark Ages, we’d accuse him of being a witch, and burn him at the stake.
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Well he does have that unseemly wart on the side of his nose.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Dakota Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:00 am
681.The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Seems like the Dark Ages for the Raiders no?
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FOL?
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Fk our lives?
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Indeed
December 6th, 2012 at 10:02 am
What up, J.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:02 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:01 am
621.R8ER MIKE Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Raider O Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:13 am
LMAO
Long Live The ODB!
Btw, you think Titty Monkey is cute?
Still LOL
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lol damn right its gotta be the titties and the visor !!!
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If this was the Dark Ages, we’d accuse him of being a witch, and burn him at the stake.
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Well he does have that unseemly wart on the side of his nose.
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That’s enough for me
December 6th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Yes…..indeed.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Indeed…a…mundo!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Thats fked up that I look forward to tailgates at the game for a great time, instead of the actual game itself.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:05 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Indeed…a…mundo!
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Menudo?
I prefer posole.
lol
December 6th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Regardless of who is on coaching staff in 2013, I expect year 2 of the Reggime to be much, much better (LOL, how could it not be?) mainly because of roster upgrades and what I anticiapte to be a solid draft.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:05 am
We never seem to play Denver well at home. JC was the only guy to beat them here in the last six or seven years back in 2010. Doubt we win tonight, but on a national stage I have to think we’ll give them our best shot. If we win, I’ll be the 1st one in here calling for Knapp to be elevated to HC for getting the team ready on a short week!
Denver 28
Raiders 24
December 6th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Thats fked up that I look forward to tailgates at the game for a great time, instead of the actual game itself.
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do the tailgate right and the game will take care of itself.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:06 am
DMAC Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Thats fked up that I look forward to tailgates at the game for a great time, instead of the actual game itself.
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I definetly need to get out to more games, so far i haven’t seen the Raiders Lose in person. Steelers this year, In SD last year, KC-Jacoby game the year before.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:06 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:57 am
what good teams do the Raiders beat in 2010 and 2011? the best team they beat was the Queefs in week 8 in 2010. AND THE queefs the best in a turd division BTW. you guys bought into the hype, this team was below average and not even a top 16 team. seriously.
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It doesn’t matter, we were beating teams.
Now we’re not. Not we’re losing to mediocre AND good teams.
We got to average and had the pieces in place to be above average.
Firing Hue and blowing up the offense was dumb.
>> Raiders beat their toughest opponent over the last 3 years THIS year. schedule does matter if you look at it it tells you you that the team played cupcakes and was 8-8.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:06 am
I don’t know that I would mind DA back next year. He looks like he wants to weed out the dead weight (the forst month of the offseason will tell us a lot in that regard).
But Knapp was a disaster. Caused us any shot at respectability this year.
Need a new OC in 2013.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:06 am
679.The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Despite all this arguing about coaching, i still feel unusually confident about us winning tonight. Without McGhaee, the Donkeys should beatable. I know we have the tendency to make no name rb’s into Pro Bowlers for one week, but i think we play them close enough to win by 6
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I’d like to have faith in that but remember alot of us were saying the same thing before the Baltimore game.
“It’s not a game anybody expects us to win and we win alot of those type of games”.
I worry that even THAT little Raider staple has gone by the wayside.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Prediction for tonights game:
DEN 37
OAK 6
December 6th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Knapp for head coach? You forgot to follow that sentence with lol jk…
You’ll be the first and only one. lol
December 6th, 2012 at 10:07 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Regardless of who is on coaching staff in 2013, I expect year 2 of the Reggime to be much, much better (LOL, how could it not be?) mainly because of roster upgrades and what I anticiapte to be a solid draft.
>> what will RM do? Trade down get some picks build up the lines? or go DT/De with the high pick? QB?
December 6th, 2012 at 10:08 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:06 am
DMAC Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Thats fked up that I look forward to tailgates at the game for a great time, instead of the actual game itself.
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I definetly need to get out to more games, so far i haven’t seen the Raiders Lose in person. Steelers this year, In SD last year, KC-Jacoby game the year before.
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If thats the case. You def. need to show up more.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Just saw this article on PFT about potential replacements for the NFL Kick-Off:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/06/goodell-floats-novel-idea-for-replacing-kickoffs/
I kind of liked it at first, but now I’m not so sure. It was proposed by Schiano, apparently.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:08 am
They’ll win tonight. I’ve got a good feeling.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:08 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Prediction for tonights game:
DEN 37
OAK 6
>>
raiders will battle tonight. Broncos win 31-27
December 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
I could see us coming out inspired for DA in the first half and make a game of it early. But the halftime speech will see the same lethargic crew come out limp in the 2nd half and get steamrolled. Stadium half empty by the start of the 4th Qtr.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
694.RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:05 am
We never seem to play Denver well at home. JC was the only guy to beat them here in the last six or seven years back in 2010. Doubt we win tonight, but on a national stage I have to think we’ll give them our best shot. If we win, I’ll be the 1st one in here calling for Knapp to be elevated to HC for getting the team ready on a short week!
Denver 28
Raiders 24
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Wouldn’t that be weird? Imagine Knapp getting elevated to HC.
It turns out that Knapp was just misplaced as a coordinator and QB coach…he’s HC material after all.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
it’s a perfectly good day to end a future hall-of-famer’s career.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:10 am
I don’t want DA to fail, but the only way I would except him coming back is if he fires his whole coaching staff.
Period!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:10 am
papertiger418 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Just saw this article on PFT about potential replacements for the NFL Kick-Off:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/06/goodell-floats-novel-idea-for-replacing-kickoffs/
I kind of liked it at first, but now I’m not so sure. It was proposed by Schiano, apparently.
>> I think its a good idea. Football has to evolve, the concussion panic is in full swing and changes are coming. kickoffs can go away, doesn’t hurt the game, long as they don’t get crazy with the rules
December 6th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Raiders beat their toughest opponent over the last 3 years THIS year. schedule does matter if you look at it it tells you you that the team played cupcakes and was 8-8.
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Have it your way.
Schedule is what it is. Some years it’s softer, some it’s tougher. Got to be able to win regard;ess and steal games you have no business winning. That’s the mark of a good team.
I’m not saying we were good in 10 and 11, I’m saying a foundation was being laid on offense and we had good coaching there and the defense needed a good DC and a few free agent pick ups.
Everybody talks about cap hell, but Al managed to overpay guys year after year and squeeze under the cap.
You mean to tell me we couldn’t restructure a few guys and add a piece or two? Even if we had the current defensive roster, better DC woulda got more out of them.
DA – rookie
Tarver – rookie
Knapp – might as well be a rookie
December 6th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Papertiger418 Says:
Just saw this article on PFT about potential replacements for the NFL Kick-Off:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/06/goodell-floats-novel-idea-for-replacing-kickoffs/
I kind of liked it at first, but now I’m not so sure. It was proposed by Schiano, apparently.
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PFT tweeted this later:
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 1h
Great point raised by PFT commenter on possible kickoff rule change: Some Madden players would never lose possession of the ball.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:11 am
DMAC runs wild in this one.
We win it!
(Pops always did tell me to think positive)
lol
December 6th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Denver 28
Raiders 24
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Wouldn’t that be weird? Imagine Knapp getting elevated to HC.
It turns out that Knapp was just misplaced as a coordinator and QB coach…he’s HC material after all.
^^^^^^
That’s so much like the Army. Promote idiots to the first level of incompetence, and then to get rid of them, promote them even higher. Brilliant!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:12 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
I could see us coming out inspired for DA in the first half and make a game of it early. But the halftime speech will see the same lethargic crew come out limp in the 2nd half and get steamrolled. Stadium half empty by the start of the 4th Qtr.
> Raiders are over matched. Broncos would have to play a really bad game for OAK to win
December 6th, 2012 at 10:12 am
I’m still fuming about the fact that they tried to completely change the offense from last year. How did they expect to remain competitive? The worst part was that we all saw it in pre-season but kept telling ourselves it didn’t matter because pre-season never counts.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:13 am
MikieG Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Its not D.A’s demeanor that bothers me at all. Its the product on the field, plain and simple. Guys look clueless.
The only people on that field that look like they know what they are doing besides Lechler and Jano are:
Palmer
Reece
Veldheer
Wheeler
Everyone else is freakin clueless!
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Clueless = Huff, McClain, Barnes, DHB, Branch, etc.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Wouldn’t that be weird? Imagine Knapp getting elevated to HC.
It turns out that Knapp was just misplaced as a coordinator and QB coach…he’s HC material after all.
>>>>>
Only if he hires a true blue chip OC that fits McF and CP perfectly (not the other way around) and he doesn’t call his own plays.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am
what will RM do? Trade down get some picks build up the lines? or go DT/De with the high pick? QB?
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I initially though Reg would try to really make his mark and grab a franchise QB.
The more I think about it, the D is a dumpster fire and has to be addressed early and often.
Seeing as how it looks like Reg has no problem being patient, I’m thinking NT and a pass rusher in FA or later in draft.
Another likely scenario is D. Moore out of A&M and NT in FA or later in the draft.
I think DT and DE will both be big priorities.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am
707.guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
I could see us coming out inspired for DA in the first half and make a game of it early. But the halftime speech will see the same lethargic crew come out limp in the 2nd half and get steamrolled. Stadium half empty by the start of the 4th Qtr.
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We’ve seen THAT movie before.
While Manning is exhorting the troops to “step on their throats…and don’t let up” DA is in the lockerroom with his traditional Knute Rockne speech:
“Guys. Let’s try and make sure we are all putting ourselves in the best possible position so that as a team individually and collectively we’ll be able to say at the end of the day that we acheived a certain measure of success”.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Getting rid of KO’s is another sign of the wussification of the sport. It’s bad enough that RB’s and WR’s lower their head to get the defenseless receiver calls. It’s a lot like those Vlade Divac flops in basketball. Why not put them in skirts and have strap flags off their hemlines?
December 6th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Keep in mind, Branch looks worse because he’s constantly cleaning up others mistakes in the back 7.
But he’s not really that good, honestly.
Somebody teach Gio to tackle and he would be an All Pro.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Branch is constantly out of position and there’s all sorts of miscommunication out on the field. Branch is responsible for some of it for sure. But Branch in the right coaching situation would be playing like an all-pro. Can’t stress enough just how clueless this Tarver cat is.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:20 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
694.RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:05 am
We never seem to play Denver well at home. JC was the only guy to beat them here in the last six or seven years back in 2010. Doubt we win tonight, but on a national stage I have to think we’ll give them our best shot. If we win, I’ll be the 1st one in here calling for Knapp to be elevated to HC for getting the team ready on a short week!
Denver 28
Raiders 24
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Wouldn’t that be weird? Imagine Knapp getting elevated to HC.
It turns out that Knapp was just misplaced as a coordinator and QB coach…he’s HC material after all.
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Did you see his post-game presser? I thought he sounded great. Got asked a lot of the tough questions, especially about not running the ball more and the end-of-game clock management, and he took the bullets like a man. Very straightforward and confident. Asked about all the critcism he’s taking from the fans and he said he doesn’t read or hear anything and only thinks about getting the O better for the next week’s opponent. Romo and LoNeal were very impressed as well. I like the guy.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Tonedeezy Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
it’s a perfectly good day to end a future hall-of-famer’s career.
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Lol! My man. That’s what I’m talking about!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:22 am
They probaly thought the transition would go a little smoother when they switched to the ZBS. But they made the move for the long term effects it will have.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Raiders 26
Donkeys 21
With 5 Head failing to score a TD in the last two minutes
December 6th, 2012 at 10:23 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am
what will RM do? Trade down get some picks build up the lines? or go DT/De with the high pick? QB?
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I initially though Reg would try to really make his mark and grab a franchise QB.
The more I think about it, the D is a dumpster fire and has to be addressed early and often.
Seeing as how it looks like Reg has no problem being patient, I’m thinking NT and a pass rusher in FA or later in draft.
Another likely scenario is D. Moore out of A&M and NT in FA or later in the draft.
I think DT and DE will both be big priorities.
>. I see them taking DT Star lolulei OR the DE Moore like you said. OR they could trade down and pick up late first AND a 2nd round pick. Draft a CENTER in the first round, and maybe a RT in the 2nd. Move wiz to LG and that might fix the OLINE. control TOP and compete NEXT YEAR. then draft for defense in 14.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:23 am
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/group/14891
Bowl pick em contest sign up before the slots are full
December 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Branch is constantly out of position and there’s all sorts of miscommunication out on the field. Branch is responsible for some of it for sure. But Branch in the right coaching situation would be playing like an all-pro. Can’t stress enough just how clueless this Tarver cat is.
>. branch is an “effort” guy so at least he tries
December 6th, 2012 at 10:28 am
he_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Raiders 26
Donkeys 21
With 5 Head failing to score a TD in the last two minutes
>> that would be an amazing defensive performance for this team.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:31 am
boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:12 am
It’s not about the tough schedule it’s about the eye test. Under Hue last year’s team was watchable. Under DA, this team is unwatchable. Actually I will watch tonight because it will be a comedy show
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There’s always the Raiderettes to watch!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:31 am
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:28 am
he_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Raiders 26
Donkeys 21
With 5 Head failing to score a TD in the last two minutes
>> that would be an amazing defensive performance for this team.
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We’ll see if DA’s Bend Over but don’t break Defense will hold up
December 6th, 2012 at 10:32 am
The_Judge37 Says:
5 Head
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Some folks call it “cerebral”. LOL
December 6th, 2012 at 10:33 am
I would say top draft priorities would be:
DE
CB
LB
Maybe not in that exact order but that would be the top three the next three would be…again not necessarily in order:
WR
OL
DT
RB
ARE WE seriously talking about the draft already!!!!!!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:33 am
716.manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:12 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
I could see us coming out inspired for DA in the first half and make a game of it early. But the halftime speech will see the same lethargic crew come out limp in the 2nd half and get steamrolled. Stadium half empty by the start of the 4th Qtr.
> Raiders are over matched. Broncos would have to play a really bad game for OAK to win
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One thing that hasn’t changed all season long in almost EVERY GAME is the offense taking turns dropping easy passes and making dumb mistakes.
It almost looks like they are scared out there. They have this aura of being overmatched and skittish.
They don’t seem to have any “attitude” or confidence.
There’s no “swagger” or cockiness. “Scared” for some reason.
I don’t recall a year where NOBODY on the team even makes any bold statements or exudes any confidence in what they say or how they play.
A Steeler player will say “Coach Tomlin tells us to hit em in the mouth and play Steeler football…and that’s what we did”.
Raider player might say “Coach always says that we as individuals need to continue to be cognizant of being where we need to be in order to give us the best opportunity to possibly make a play and perhaps enable us to be able to say at the end of the day that we have acheieved a measure of success. So that’s what we tried to do today.”
December 6th, 2012 at 10:34 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:52 am
>. Gannon was a 2nd stringer before Gruden so nobody knew anything about him. Gruden gave him a chance. Gannon was the Raider QB I’ve SEEN in my days. not even close.
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didnt he start for Minnesota before going to Washington ??
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Gannon was the canonical “journeyman QB” when Gruden and Al signed him to what was a mind boggling, 4 year deal. He started at like 3 or 4 other stops. In each, he was seen as the guy that would take over as the starter and in each (until Oakland) he was just too mediocre to keep in that role without trying someone else to see if they could get better results.
What Gruden saw was an unusually intelligent QB that could run a more complex system. He knew that having someone that could make all of the pre and post snap reads in a system that would always keep the defense off balance would overcome Gannon’s sub-average arm. Turns out he was right
It’s not all that different than what Manning does at both Indy and Denver. He has a well balanced set of read based options for each play that are designed to exploit a weakness in any given defensive approach. No matter what you throw at him, if he makes the right read, he will find the weakness. An awful lot of that actually occurs in the run game, where his rad and audible is half the battle in finding the soft part of the defense. For the same reasons, the run game under Gannon was top of the NFL.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:33 am
I would say top draft priorities would be:
DE
CB
LB
Maybe not in that exact order but that would be the top three the next three would be…again not necessarily in order:
WR
OL
DT
RB
ARE WE seriously talking about the draft already!!!!!!
>> have to talk about it. team has too many holes on defense. they could draft a beats DT/DE with 3rd overall pick OR trade down and fix the OLINE and control TOP and the LOS next year and be respectable.team should draft OLINE IMO, that can be fixed with 1-2 picks. offense needs a few tweaks only, fix that first. Defense needs a complete overhaul.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:37 am
I want this team to win every time they take the field.
I have been a Raider fan for 45 years and this is one of the only seasons I can remember “not feeling like we ever have a chance”. It sucks.
Maybe with no mistakes, dropped passes, penalties at a minimum, we could eeekkkkeee, one out.
GO RAIDERS!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:38 am
RaidingTexas Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:32 am
The_Judge37 Says:
5 Head
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Some folks call it “cerebral”. LOL
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How about the “Billboard”, since he loves to advertise
December 6th, 2012 at 10:39 am
We’ll see if DA’s Bend Over but don’t break Defense will hold up
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duct tape, bailing wire and vaseline.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:41 am
“team has too many holes on defense. they could draft a beats DT/DE with 3rd overall pick OR trade down and fix the OLINE and control TOP and the LOS next year and be respectable.team should draft OLINE IMO, that can be fixed with 1-2 picks. offense needs a few tweaks only, fix that first. Defense needs a complete overhaul.”
I would agree 100%
I would imagine RM will trade down to get 3 or 4 picks with his high first rounder, then trade a couple of players for some late rounders giving us about 10 picks in the next draft and we will need every one of them!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:42 am
No matter how much this team disappoints me I always gotta watch and see.
I am a “bend over and don’t break fan” LOL
What has being a Raider fan come to.
Bring back Chucky and beat Martian Head tonight.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:44 am
hc: shaw
veldheer carlise wiz bergstrom 3rd rd pick
reece dmac
CP/Pryor
Moore, DHB, Criner, Streater, Ford
Myers Ausberry
Avril Bryant Houston Shaughnessey (christo, crawford)
Wheeler Te’O Burris
=playoffs in 2013
Rogers Cromartie Hanson
Branch Huff
December 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Hire Gregg Williams as DC:
“Kill the head and the body will die.”
this should be Ghetoo stenciled on the top of the smartboard the Raiders use to discuss gameplans, as a constant reminder.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Just for grins, check out this projection.
Rich Gannon holds the Raiders franchise record for most 300+ yard passing games. The mark is set at 20.
Palmer already has 10 in 21 starts. With 4 more starts this year, plus a potential 16 more next year, he would tie Gannon on that pace.
We’re talking about the potential to break a franchise record in a mere two and a half seasons.
That said, the best thing for the team is probably to not be in this position. With a more sustainable running game and some tiny semblance of defense, it’d be nice if the team didn’t actually need 50+ pass attempts per game.
On that note, Carson is also on pace to break another of Gannon’s Raiders records: most pass attempts in a season. Gannon’s mark is 618. Palmer is on pace for around 628 …
December 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am
724.guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Branch is constantly out of position and there’s all sorts of miscommunication out on the field. Branch is responsible for some of it for sure. But Branch in the right coaching situation would be playing like an all-pro. Can’t stress enough just how clueless this Tarver cat is.
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I get that Tarver is trying to be optimistic but it always irrtates me when I can see with my own eyes how bad a particular unit is and the coach tries to say that what I saw wasn’t really what I saw; or Weeden has a career day passing and they rack up almost 500 yd’s of offense to the Cleveland Browns mind you, and we’re told that he was pleased for the most part and that guys “were flying around all day” etc. etc.
Makes me think if he thinks THAT was good defense…we are in serious trouble.
Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:48 am
i’ll fu#k damn near anything but the raiderettes are not looking like what they used to
December 6th, 2012 at 10:49 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Hire Gregg Williams as DC:
“Kill the head and the body will die.”
this should be Ghetoo stenciled on the top of the smartboard the Raiders use to discuss gameplans, as a constant reminder.
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Head hunting was deemed officially illegal by the NFL in the Saints inquisition this year.
I don’t recall any mention of neck hunting though
December 6th, 2012 at 10:49 am
The Over/Under on how many John Gruden questions will be asked today during chat is:
6,249
You can place bets on Oddsmaker or bodog
December 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am
I don’t recall any mention of neck hunting though
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“That’s what I call a good old fashioned Chop to the Adams apple” – Al Bundy
December 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:48 am
i’ll fu#k damn near anything but the raiderettes are not looking like what they used to
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You ain’t never lied.
The Dubs cheerleaders are waaaaay hotter. IMO
December 6th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Even stanchest of Reggie supporters will wake up after next week’s loss to the Chiefs at home.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:00 am
http://www.nba.com/warriors/warriorgirls
nice
December 6th, 2012 at 11:00 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:00 am
http://www.nba.com/warriors/warriorgirls
nice
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Didn’t i tell you
lol
December 6th, 2012 at 11:01 am
gannon was tearing up oakland as a chief when grbac went down…
December 6th, 2012 at 11:01 am
I’m out till laters…..
Good Luck Raiders tonight.
Do the Nation proud.
Snap da neck!
December 6th, 2012 at 11:04 am
i told my bro to pick up dmac for fantasy football, i didn’t do it cuz i figured we’ll be down so much we’ll abandon the run. dmac having a big game 2night?
December 6th, 2012 at 11:08 am
all my ppl at the game i wanna hear the “snap that neck” chants on tv. definitely some “pry-or” and some “david shaw” one’s, i know damn well there’ll be some “gru-den” chants
December 6th, 2012 at 11:08 am
‘IF’ we win tonite, it will be on Knapp preparing the team while acting as a head coach.
Hey, he might be a good coach that delegates, and not a good OC.
Stranger things have happened before, or Im on the raider kool aid prior to kickoff.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:12 am
No…..
A mircale (on E.Bay street) would be MORE evidence that Allen is the problem.
(But come on man that does NOT mean KRAPP is the answer!)
I do like your point of a win here = Allen is even worse than we thought.
But really….who are we kidding?
Its 49-3 tonight….
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# RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:05 am
We never seem to play Denver well at home. JC was the only guy to beat them here in the last six or seven years back in 2010. Doubt we win tonight, but on a national stage I have to think we’ll give them our best shot. If we win, I’ll be the 1st one in here calling for Knapp to be elevated to HC for getting the team ready on a short week!
Denver 28
Raiders 24
December 6th, 2012 at 11:12 am
that my friend isnt kool-aide.. its crack !!
December 6th, 2012 at 11:13 am
guest123 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Hire Gregg Williams as DC:
“Kill the head and the body will die.”
this should be Ghetoo stenciled on the top of the smartboard the Raiders use to discuss gameplans, as a constant reminder.
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Wonder if he will ever be reinstated though….If so he would be the ideal Raiders DC…just gotta keep the bounties on the down-low
December 6th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Breath deep.
Repeat after me…
Ask Santa for 3-13!
December 6th, 2012 at 11:16 am
The Chucky chants will be heard loud and clear tonight, wouldn’t be surprised to see a bunch of chuckie dolls with headsets in the stands, no way NFL Network annoucers will be able to avoid commenting on it.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Under the the TREE !
All I want is THREE !
Under the the TREE !
All I want is THREE !
(and repeat!)
December 6th, 2012 at 11:18 am
This is what happens when you want to play CEO instead of Coach. DA said he wanted to “manage the coaches”. Well when those coaches stink and the players realize that your master plan is to get rid of all of them this is the result that you get. DA seems more like a spectator than an active participant in the game. He said he was going to put “his stamp” on this team. Little did we know that his was going to stamp “PATHETIC” on the foreheads of players and coaches alike.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Awesome point! Totally agree!
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The Chucky chants will be heard loud and clear tonight, wouldn’t be surprised to see a bunch of chuckie dolls with headsets in the stands, no way NFL Network annoucers will be able to avoid commenting on it.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am
I’d like to see us hire an OC that was a former HC.
Get as many assts on the staff that were former HCs!
December 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
In all the miserable, lackluster seasons i’ve watched of this team, i don’t recall a season so utterly devoid of hope.
I know they consider the fans almost a necessary evil and feel they don’t “owe us” anything, but you’d think they’d wanna throw us a bone every now and then.
Speaking for me personally and not the entire fanbase the most excitement i’ve felt in over a year was driving home the other night and hearing the Gruden “announcement” from Arkush. He sounded believable and in retrospect I probably read more into it and heard more of what I wanted to hear, but that was an exciting half hour or so i’ll tell you that.
Immediately, memories of us being respected and legitimate came flooding back as well as that rush of excitement that those days would soon return.
WOW. They are really doing something major. They aren’t just gonna sit idly by and let us flounder in misery and un-relavance. A rush of Raider pride came over me for those few minutes. I haven’t felt that way in a long time.
Thoughts of ‘we’re back beyotches’ came over me for but a moment, and then…the Raiders couldn’t wait to put the kabosh on that by being “insulted” at the mere thought they were actually gonna do something big like that.
I know the Gruden thing might not have even been the wise course to take anyway, and I know it may not be fair to blame the Raiders for putting the slam on my brief period of hope and joy, but it’s so rare we get anything from this org. to get us pumped up as fans.
And they wonder why they don’t sell out the Browns game.
Like I said, it might not be fair but it’s just one crzay fans perspective on it.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:28 am
DT42 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:18 am
This is what happens when you want to play CEO instead of Coach. DA said he wanted to “manage the coaches”. Well when those coaches stink and the players realize that your master plan is to get rid of all of them this is the result that you get. DA seems more like a spectator than an active participant in the game. He said he was going to put “his stamp” on this team. Little did we know that his was going to stamp “PATHETIC” on the foreheads of players and coaches alike.
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Exacto.
DA was ‘probably’ a good and upcoming DC, but being a coach is over his head. His hires as assitants stink.
No way RMAC should keep that staff together.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am
771…..
I’m right there with you man……..RIGHT FUC*ING THERE
December 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Complete regression under DA
No way Rmac and Cheese cant see that. DA might have the it factor somewhere else as an asistant. But as a coach, LOL…
December 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
771
Exactly how I felt too, you are not alone in your feelings of hopelessness and wanting something exciting to go on for a change (Gruden)) I was pumped too. Sucks that this is what it has come to.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Well be back soon, just gonna head downtown and get ridiculed for sporting my Raider Gear and listen to all the ARSE Wipe Dungver fans tell me how sorry they feel for me.
After a proper reply of FVCK YOU!! I will be back on the blog willing my team to a victory tonight.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:37 am
JT Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Complete regression under DA
No way Rmac and Cheese cant see that. DA might have the it factor somewhere else as an asistant. But as a coach, LOL…
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Agreed, i have faith this Coaching staff will be gone after this year. I just hope it’s Reggie’s call and not Mark’s
December 6th, 2012 at 11:38 am
771 I couldn’t have said it any better. My feelings exactly.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Gruden rumors come and go, many proving to be false.
On the other hand, Mark isn’t happy and both Mark & Carol Davis have a good relationship with Gruden. They realize this may be their chance to bring him back.
50-50 if you ask me. We won’t know till season’s end.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
I have been a Raider fan for 40 years and tonight is the first Donkey game in my life I realize we have NO CHANCE OF WINNING.
Thanks Reggie.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
773.theghostronin79 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am
771…..
I’m right there with you man……..RIGHT FUC*ING THERE
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They’ll throw us something someday right?
December 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Can’t wait for the season to end. How sad is that?
December 6th, 2012 at 11:46 am
ARE WE seriously talking about the draft already!!!!!!
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I started watching college ball with my ’scout’ goggles on after week 2.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:48 am
You guys seem to be having a hard time applying logic, something that led to your silly expectations.
What in the world led you to believe that a make-shift defense lead by a high-priced but oft-hobbled and always old R. Seymour, a “maybe I’ll play today but maybe not” mercurial T Kelly, a no-name list of linebackers that existed alongside one pathetic “name” lb who has been a bust since day 1 no matter his coach, and a group of not-their fault third string and practice squad secondary guys that include a few experienced vets like Huff and Mitchell and Giordano, who’ve never been more than “serviceable” in a crunch, should be able to perform at any acceptable level? HUH? You’re to blame for your silly expectations.
As for the offense–in order for it to have been serviceable, the running back had to remain healthy and the squad of young receivers with whom the qb practiced all summer and through training camp had to remain on the field together to have any chance of consistency. That they didn’t is no coach’s fault.
You can validly criticize playcalling, but given the offensive squad’s merry-go-round of receivers due to injuries coupled with their youth, what would better playcalling have really added? Maybe one more victory? Yet maybe not too.
The offensive line needs Wiz where he belongs, and that is not at center, and that’s a call that is indeed on Reggie because he dumped Satele, but hey, Satele got no respect from most of you when he was here, and it’s true he played hobbled most of the time, but at least he demonstrated toughness.
Nevertheless, looking at the physically able to play offensive team, what did you expect. An offense such as this has no chance of playing catch up with a weak running game and inconsistent, hurt receivers and we all know the D puts them behind the 8-ball from the beginning.
Why can you not accept that we lost key players to either free agency or to injury on the O and we are simply no better than the CAl Bears on D? Or, maybe you think the Cal Bears can compete in the NFL?
December 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am
The offensive line needs Wiz where he belongs, and that is not at center, and that’s a call that is indeed on Reggie because he dumped Satele, but hey, Satele got no respect from most of you when he was here, and it’s true he played hobbled most of the time, but at least he demonstrated toughness.
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Never understood that Satele got no respect in here. All the man did was bring his lunch pail to work and get the job done.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am
That’s a long-winded excuse.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Defense worse, offense worse.
Who did we lose? Kam Wimbley and Stan Routt? Satele proved to be more of an asset than a lot gave him credit for but does that mean the whole O line had to be shuffled and fire Wylie?
Nah, players need upgrading but coaches did them no favors.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Plunketthead Says:
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/group/14891
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No confidence rankings this year?
December 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
The defense stunk almost just as much last year, its DA’s meddling with the offense, allowing Krapp to try to fit a square peg into a round hole, giving him play calling duties, that’s the biggest factor for the regression. That and Reggie bringing in practice squad players to play db and special teams.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am
That’s a long-winded excuse.
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Lol
December 6th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Gruden rumors come and go, many proving to be false.
On the other hand, Mark isn’t happy and both Mark & Carol Davis have a good relationship with Gruden. They realize this may be their chance to bring him back.
50-50 if you ask me. We won’t know till season’s end.
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I’ll take 50-50 as opposed to ZERO chance…..
Like DJ was saying….The other day I felt an explosion of excitement. The kind I hadn’t felt in 10 years. It was breif….But it was real.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
The defense stunk almost just as much last year, its DA’s meddling with the offense, allowing Krapp to try to fit a square peg into a round hole, giving him play calling duties, that’s the biggest factor for the regression. That and Reggie bringing in practice squad players to play db and special teams.
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Almost as much? Giving up the same yardage per game and 4 more points per game. This D stinks louder than last year’s. and that’s saying something.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
The other day I felt an explosion of excitement. The kind I hadn’t felt in 10 years.
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Sounds like you need to find a woman.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
The defense stunk almost just as much last year
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That’s a helluva statement, considering Chuck Bresnahan was the DC last year. WOW!
December 6th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Theghostronin79 – I felt the same way. Most excitement had all year. Well that and the Steeler victory.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
We need to bring back the defensive coordinator from 2 years ago. Oops, that was Al Davis.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
794.KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Boss01 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
The defense stunk almost just as much last year
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That’s a helluva statement, considering Chuck Bresnahan was the DC last year. WOW!
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Last year there was too much koolaid drinking hence the DC was the problem, this year the sad reality has hit the fan that everyone on defense stinks, DC, DL, LBs, DBs, ball boys, water boys everyone.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Whats good Raider bro’s and broettes.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I’ve been watching old youtube clips, man I miss the days,….
December 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am
The offensive line needs Wiz where he belongs, and that is not at center, and that’s a call that is indeed on Reggie because he dumped Satele, but hey, Satele got no respect from most of you when he was here, and it’s true he played hobbled most of the time, but at least he demonstrated toughness.
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Never understood that Satele got no respect in here. All the man did was bring his lunch pail to work and get the job done.
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Yup, and look what he’s doing now.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
The other day I felt an explosion of excitement. The kind I hadn’t felt in 10 years.
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Sounds like you need to find a woman.
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LMFAO
December 6th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Culd Chucky get his brother Jay to leave as OC in Cincy. They have a replacement ready in Hue Jackson.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
This game demands the ‘normal’ competitive approach(personnel-wise) because of prime time, division rival, not feeding them with byes now (of sorts) and in their postseason, calming down mark, showing fa candidates that this is not a total wreck…
but after this I really wanna see guys like Bergstrom, Nix, Ross, Pryor, Burnett as starters to get a look. no
dressed up-game followed by a situational-rotation-check and finally a feet-wet-drive in the last game for months.
McKenzie stated, that he wants to see guys (esp. TP), but that it is up to the coaches to determine when and how long. I just hope that they don’t think playing 2nd and 3rd stringers would provocate success-hungry fans.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
The problem as I now look back, was that we could not re-up Michael Bush. I don’t know all the details but he ended up with a 4 yr 14 million dollar contract in Chicago, about 3.5 per. And at the end of free agency we ended up with 7 million in cap space that is not nontransferable to next year.
Why not spend that money? Was Oakland in revenue problems? Did the new ownership want to go frugal?
Surely it was foreseeable that McFadden would fall to injury and Goodson was injured in the preseason. RB was a position of need…
December 6th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
803
It is a total wreck. You can put lipstick on a pig but a pig it will always be.
If we keep it close and run a couple Pryor packages that is cool with me. What can it hurt at this juncture?
1 win is not gonna make a difference, showing some heart and competing is going to.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
My 2 cents on the Gruden Rumor, I have to believe there is some truth to it I mean I dont think the guy just pulled this story out his ass, but if Gruden would come back like some of you I hope it would be as just the HC. Honestly I dont think he’s the greatest HC (seeing how he failed in TB) but he would provide some much needed excitement and passion around here.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
I’d rather have Jay Gruden than Chucky.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Here is an idea that might work for tonight’s game:
Fire Knapp before the game, bench Carson and make him the backup QB / Interim OC. Give pryor the ball and let his instincts take over. Let him run the Tebow / McGahee offense with Dmac. Watch the offense explode.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Pryor needs to play tonight period, if the game gets outta hand(which is quite possible) Palmer should be sat down because the beatings he’s been taking(and knapp having him pass it 50 plus times) it only a matter of time before he gets hurt. IMO its time to shelf Palmer for the season so we can get a good look at Pryor.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Remember this name come draft time…
Ace Sanders…..
Return game fixed!!
December 6th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
lol Boss01.. sad part is it probably would work a lot better than anything Knapp could come up with !!
December 6th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Keep DA one more year but bring in Andy Reid to be Offensive Coordinator. As a potential candidate in the wings. And bring in Romeo Crennel as Defensive coordinator.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Pryor needs to play tonight period, if the game gets outta hand(which is quite possible) Palmer should be sat down because the beatings he’s been taking(and knapp having him pass it 50 plus times) it only a matter of time before he gets hurt. IMO its time to shelf Palmer for the season so we can get a good look at Pryor.
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But he won’t. That makes too much sense, therefore, won’t happen. The only way I see Pryor playing is if we are down 35+ points late in the 4th. I’m talking, less than 5 minutes on the clock….. Pryor MAY trot out there for 1 possession….2 if we’re lucky.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Raidertalk Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Keep DA one more year but bring in Andy Reid to be Offensive Coordinator. As a potential candidate in the wings. And bring in Romeo Crennel as Defensive coordinator.
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Sounds good, but Andy is a bit pass happy and Romeo is a 3-4 coach.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Just went to SI.com and the Raider page is nothing but Doncos and how they are going to kill the Oakland Raiders.
How much is Mark paying Reggie and DA? Pay me half and I’ll put out a team that’s just as competitive! Just for the last couple of games.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Throwing Pryor in tonite on National TV may be a mistake.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
ill pay mark to coach those results!
December 6th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
795.The Big Banana Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Theghostronin79 – I felt the same way. Most excitement had all year. Well that and the Steeler victory.
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I was pumped over the Steeler victory as well but it was short term. I always relish beating them no matter where we are at in the standings. I was doing jumping jacks and back flips when our 2-14 Art Shell squad beat them and was doing multiple front and back flips like Mary Lou Retton when Gradkowski engineered that glorious comeback at Pittsburgh a couple yr’s. back, but the Gruden “possibility” had real organizational, long term implications to it.
I had delusions of “real” seismic changes with that.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Throwing Pryor in tonite on National TV may be a mistake.
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I don’t think it’ll happen man. I bet you they take the long week up-coming and get him ready to play against KC
December 6th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
We could see Pryor before the game gets (if) out of hand…. I could see them throwing something at the Donks they aren’t prepared for.. Somekind of special package ….fk the Donkeys….
December 6th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
What do you guys think of Mike Martz as OC? I think we have the WRs to run that O. DWOW is Holt and Ford is Bruce.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Some of y’all seem to forget the phenomenol year Gannon had at KC the year before he came here. He played the last 12 games or so due to injury to Elvis(no not that one) Grbac and led them to the AFC west champs and to the playoffs.
But Marty pulled Gannon in favor of Grbac for the playoffs and I took all kinda chit for telling friends that this was a bad move and sure enough they lost the 1st playoff game and were done.
Then I heard Gruden had convinced Al to bring Gannon to Oakland and I knew at that point that Jon had found his guy and we would be on our way!
So while not well known, Gannon was not a complete unknown he just finally got his shot!
And the rest is history.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Wish I was heading to the parking lot right now to party with my Raider bros.
Next year for sure. Maybe we can compete next year.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Throwing Pryor in tonite on National TV may be a mistake.
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May be good for the kid. Some play their best when the lights are on.
December 6th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Much Rather have a Martz offense than what we’ve seen outta Knapp….
I still believe Knapp, Tarver and Hoffman will be gone when the season ends…
And I think Allen will still be here as well..
December 6th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
I think it would be good for Pryor as well…. Give him a few plays tonight to get his feet wet , then give him a start next week
December 6th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
821.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
What do you guys think of Mike Martz as OC? I think we have the WRs to run that O. DWOW is Holt and Ford is Bruce.
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They couldn’t wait to get rid of him in Chicago. I realize Cutler hates every OC he ever worked with, but the fans, media…EVERYBODY is really glad he’s gone.
Martz is very stubborn and insists on running what HE wants to run regardless if he has the right guys to do it or not..Sound familiar?
The system Martz tried to run in Chicago was very complex too and some guys just never grabbed hold of it.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
We could see Pryor before the game gets (if) out of hand…. I could see them throwing something at the Donks they aren’t prepared for.. Somekind of special package ….fk the Donkeys….
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Yeah, go get the tape of what they did with Tebow last year and use that exact same package. Just because.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
“Maybe we can compete next year.”
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That should be the new motto.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
If Pryor has RGIII like abilities, why has he not even sniffed the field?
I just don’t understand why he is two years into his career and is now just dressing as the 3rd QB since he has such great potential!
I mean, look how he tore through those 3rd stringers in the preseason, well, in one of those games anyhow…
Is Matt Lienart really that good that he could impress the coaches more than the second coming of RGIII?
In all seriousness though….Pryor needs to play in all 4 of these games. Time to sink or swim. Letting him play in the last game of the year, where he might do well against a defense that has not prepared for him will not give us an accurate picture of his abilities. He should be starting tonight, and then lets see what he is doing against a defense that has a week or two of tape on him by the end of the season.
Then again, if he can have one good game to end the year, you might trick a team into giving us something for him.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
771.
Right there with you brother. Sadly, but right there with you…
December 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
I don’t know why… But I look for Moore to Rebound tonight….. Also think this game might be closer than many people think…
December 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
821.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
What do you guys think of Mike Martz as OC? I think we have the WRs to run that O. DWOW is Holt and Ford is Bruce.
Martz got two QB’s killed from all the 7 step drops….
December 6th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
821.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
What do you guys think of Mike Martz as OC? I think we have the WRs to run that O. DWOW is Holt and Ford is Bruce.
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Is Orlando Pace going to materialize for us on the o-line. His offense will get the QB killed if the o-line can’t hold long enough for the WRs to run their routs. The Bears with a bad o-line and Martz almost got Cutler killed.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
over and under on nonchalant picks Palmer will throw tonight, 2.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/group/14891
We are running out of room
Better sign up now
password = aldavis
December 6th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
“Maybe we can compete next year.”
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That should be the new motto.
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the new motto should be what i have been saying
almost every game this year…..WTF !!!
December 6th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
You don’t have to pick your teams right away. You can wait until gametime and you can change them after you pick
Thirty something games for year long bragging rights
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password aldavis
December 6th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
gasol for calderon and bargnani?
December 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
I believe this teams at least 2 years out…… They should( better) start to improve next year…. Maybe contend for the division in 2014/15… By them Manning will be almost 39.. And should be winding down
December 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
all im gonna say is me an dj johnny always seem to be on the same page.
Bring back Gruden!! DA just needs more experience and im sure he would make a great HC back at Tyler Texas State.. but its not what the RAiders need right now.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
I do…it was about 16 games ago since he had his last great game. also on a thursday (@ sd)….
like everything else this yr DWOW has also regressed
——-> D-OWW!)
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“I don’t know why… But I look for Moore to Rebound tonight….”
December 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
The only way we even have a chance this game is if our offense can keep up with Denver, does anybody really think this secondary that gave up over 300 yards to Brandon Weeden last week can stop Manning.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
i agree.. dj johnny for prez…
December 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
MikieG Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:22 am
theghostronin79 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:55 am
”The beatings will continue, until morale improves.”
Seems crazy but, it never failed. Once it dawned on us that we were gonna be thrashed and “F”ed with until things changed, surprisingly, guys started performing better; go figure.
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Love it!
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That shizz is real.. CBA or nothing. .Gruden wouldnt put up with shyyt especially with a bunch of young players we are suppose to be drafting over these next few years…
Plus he would command instant respect from these rookies and new guys..
December 6th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
I don’t think it’ll happen man. I bet you they take the long week up-coming and get him ready to play against KC
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Yep, I think that’s more likely.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
arkraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Some of y’all seem to forget the phenomenol year Gannon had at KC the year before he came here. He played the last 12 games or so due to injury to Elvis(no not that one) Grbac and led them to the AFC west champs and to the playoffs.
But Marty pulled Gannon in favor of Grbac for the playoffs and I took all kinda chit for telling friends that this was a bad move and sure enough they lost the 1st playoff game and were done.
Then I heard Gruden had convinced Al to bring Gannon to Oakland and I knew at that point that Jon had found his guy and we would be on our way!
So while not well known, Gannon was not a complete unknown he just finally got his shot!
And the rest is history.
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Actually, he played in 12 games for the Chiefs his last year, starting 10. But he hardly was phenomenal. He threw for a grand total of 10 TDs across all those games, and averaged under 200 yards in each. He was a game manager and seen as a steadying force at best, but certainly not worth the 4 year deal Al signed him to.
He was also not even close to an unknown. If anything, he was a known commodity as a marginal starter, really good backup QB for his, at the time, 11 year career in the league.
To put that in perspective, in his 4 year Chiefs career he played in 27 games, starting 21 of those. He threw for 23 total TDs. In his first year with the Raiders as a 16 game starter, he threw for 24.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
RockyMountainRaider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
The only way we even have a chance this game is if our offense can keep up with Denver, does anybody really think this secondary that gave up over 300 yards to Brandon Weeden last week can stop Manning.
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the only way we stand a chance is to lock the donkeys in their hotel !!!
December 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
The Run game will be key tonight … Whoevers back there ..
December 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
i picked the wrong week to stop smoking !!
December 6th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Lol…. Light up Mike
December 6th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Santa, Just gimme THREE under the TREE!
3-13 baby!
December 6th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Bless the guys that are still talking about getting a W tonight.
I don’t think it’s impossible at all. I think we have a shot to do it. Like I said earlier, this is the type of game the Raiders have won the past 10 years, or at least 06-09. The one nobody thought they would.
But since the Ravens game, I’ve been in offseason evaluation mode. I’m watching out of habit and perhaps morbid curiousity at this point.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Can the Raiders pick up a first down on their first possession?
December 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
hot damn is finally 420… be back later !!!
GreenParty rules !!!
December 6th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I think they could win this game as well…. The team that put 59 points up on the Donks wasn’t that good either ..
December 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
That 59-14 game seems like a distant memory now…
December 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
and whomever said Gruden would stick with Palmer. WRONG.. he would be shipped out quick. Gruden likes mobile qb’s.
Even rich eisen was on 95.7 the game yesterday saying he could not see the Gruden coming back to the Raiders because they dont have a young qb.. he wants to coach a young mobile qb. Gruden told him he would want to do it over with a young qb. He got wood coaching guys like CAM NEWTON, Kapernick, Tebow, Pryor over these past few yrs b4 the draft
PAPA then brought up and reminded Eisen we have TERRELLE PRYOR whom JON GRUDEN loves. EISEN was like WOW i forgot he was on the team.. “WELL THERE U GO”
This coaching staff has kept Pryor down long enough
December 6th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
854.KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Can the Raiders pick up a first down on their first possession?
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I regret to inform you that the Oakland Raiders have denied your request.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
and is it out of the realm of possibilites that TERRELLE PRYORS name has been brought up by both Mark and Gruden?
WHY? well Mark probaly wants to know who his Dads last draft pick can be coached up and could a posistive to his dads legacy. AL DAVIS’s last draft pick.
Mark maybe asking Gruden if you can coach this guy up. Who knows maybe JON GRUDEN is saying I would love to coach PRYOR. According to Greg Papa Jon loves Pryor as he does alot of qb’s but feels like PRYOR can be great
December 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Can the Raiders pick up a first down on their first possession?
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lol…..If they run the ball on 3 straight plays, I’m going to say MAYBE….
If they try and pass the ball anytime in that 1st series, I’m going to say NO. It would be either incomplete, caught short of the sticks, or a sack….
Sad but…..Prolly true.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
lol #859
December 6th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
854.KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Can the Raiders pick up a first down on their first possession?
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I regret to inform you that the Oakland Raiders have denied your request.
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Lol, You know they usually go 3 & out the first few possessions. If that happens tonight, it will probably be all over.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Gannon said yesterday he ranks the Raiders as worst team in NFL right now and get this…he says “being a former Raider it hurts me to say that.”
December 6th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
> Dakota Says:
> December 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
> If Pryor has RGIII like abilities, why has he not
> even sniffed the field?
Because he doesn’t have RGIII like abilities. He does have the running ability. He has some semblance of the same arm, but much worse throwing mechanics. But RGIII is a bright QB that uses his head as much as his physical tools to beat the defenses, via an offense that was designed for his rookie learning curve.
Pryor is the opposite of RGIII when it comes to the part of the game played above the shoulders.
> I just don’t understand why he is two years into his
> career and is now just dressing as the 3rd QB since
> he has such great potential!
Because it’ll take him another 3 to finally learn the playbook to the point where he can make the reads in the split seconds required.
> I mean, look how he tore through those 3rd stringers
> in the preseason, well, in one of those games anyhow…
I know, right?
> Is Matt Lienart really that good that he could
> impress the coaches more than the second coming of
> RGIII?
Everyone knows that Leinart’s role is the ambassador for Knapp’s Houston system and as a secondary coach for the OL in the ZBS. They wouldn’t respect him if he carried a clipboard.
> In all seriousness though….Pryor needs to play in
> all 4 of these games. Time to sink or swim.
No, actually he doesn’t. Just because he is on the roster that the current regime inherited, doesn’t mean they should play him. Did every other draft pick from this year get playing time just because they got picked? Nope, some were cut and some landed on the practice squad. Only those that have shown the ability to excel in practice are earning the rights to showcase themselves. If we haven’t seen Pryor do so yet, or even be annointed as second string over Leinart, then that’s all the evidence I need to say that he ain’t getting it.
Fact is, there is nothing special about the QB position in this regard, yet everyone here seems to see that one position as the one that will fix everything else. Newsflash, QB ain’t the most broken thing.
Insert Bergstrom in to a starting role on the OL and let’s see what the future holds there before you muck with the QB role. If people think DHB isn’t the long term answer at starting WR, then Criner or Streater should be getting all the reps. Hagan shouldn’t even dress, because he isn’t the future and he’s just stealing reps from young WRs. Hell, why not promote the entire practice squad and not dress starters at each of their positions. It’s all about the future anyway, right?
> Then again, if he can have one good game to end the
> year, you might trick a team into giving us
> something for him.
And this is the ONLY reason that I would get Pryor playing time for that he hasn’t earned in practice. A very select, super minimal playbook with simple reads that he has a high liklihood of not screwing up. Put him in a position where people can get woodies over his athletic potential and that mask his intellectual limitations. And then, just maybe there’s a 5th round flyer pick someone will toss out there. If we’re lucky, it’ll be someone like the Cheifs that will then waste their coaching time.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
BSPN had a poll. Which Rookie QB has been the most impressive
Wilson 42%
Griffin 32%
Luck 26%
December 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
what about palmer?
December 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
I was hoping for the best but I said as a rookie head coach he shld have hired former HC’s to coordinate the O & the Dee my picks were Childress on O & Del Rio on Dee instead he hired Knapp (Smh) and Tarver who I am still 50/50 on because he was sent into battle with a butter knife when there is no pass rush and both starting corners went down and he didn’t have the personnel to fit what he wanted to do, but what he and DA has put on the field look uninspiring and unexceptable!!!
OneNation
UndaGod
December 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Santa, Just gimme THREE under the TREE!
3-13 baby!
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come draft day 3-13 won’t feel much different than 5-11 or whatever because McK likely will have to trade way down for more picks and so we will watch the next j.j.watts, von millers and co. go off the board. at least we are recently used to watch the draft from the outside pretty much like postseason..
December 6th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Zymurge…. Good take…. I agree
December 6th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
#847@zymurge
You’re probably right cause I’m not a stats guy but the games I saw Gannon play for KC that year he seemed to show promise and most importantly he won.
I just knew they were making a mistake pulling him for Elvis in the playoffs and sure enough they lost although I really don’t remember if Elvis had a hand in that loss.
But I do remember being very excited that Gruden convinced Al to bring him to the Raiders!
Not to downplay Gruden he certainly helped Gannon improve but I felt good about him all along. Guess I kinda like boring manager types that help the team win and don’t cause losses with mistakes.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
The case for TP6
After the past two weeks i have seen now in the nfl what i have always suspected would be the case. i have seen proof that qb’s that are a dual threat are by far the most dangerous weapons on the field on sunday. even a very good defense with super star players can be made to look foolish and lost when you have the wave of the future dual threat qb coupled with a creative and open offensive mind.
Case and point RGIII. ‘He is changing the pro game” – jon gruden
I have known for year that if qb’s like griffin were given the same opportunities as others they could revolutionize football.
RGIII has comlteley digested the famous shanahn zone based offense. yet becuase of rgIII’s unique talent he has breathed new lif into the shanahans and has revolutionized the shanahan offense. The shanahans have a few option concepts such as zone read and triple option mixed in, and they disguise with misdirection and motions and varying formations on every play.
The defense is forced into thier base set, and upon the snap must first determine where the ball is. this causes a delay in reaction and opens huge seams in both the running and the passing game.
Along with this griffin has the freedom to audible into any play he wants in the playbook based on the presnap read. The play fakes to the full back, half back and wr’s, coupled with bubble screens pump actions and fakes is simply too much for the defense to decipher. He toys with defenses and makes it look easy.
RGIII is right now playing at top 2-3 level qb and doing it in a way that has never been seen. This offense is the most amazing creative offense I have ever seen in the nfl, and it is re writing the book on qb’s and offense.
Then watching russel wilson i see the same things, another zone based wco, that has mixed in some option game. Russel wilson has been on fire and has forced himself into the conversation of best rookie qb, and best qb in his division.
Cam newton is a slightly different story. His offense is more vertical passing along the lines of norv turners passing game. tight ends in the seams wr.s deep down the sideline and power runnig. again the zone option looks and formations have defenses flummoxed, and unable to contain him. Cam started slowly but has bounced back nicely since about week 7 or 8. They dont use as many shifts and motions, yet now they have finally integrated cam under center. he is proving over the last few weeks that he can beat a defense under center and using audibles at the line, much like phillip rivers does. This coupled with zone read option has been shredding defenses again recently.
When i was born these guys would have been written off as option qbs and never played in the nfl.
In the 80 and 90’s the code language of athlete would be used instead of the position title qb.
Now with the success of the wilson newton and griffin it cant be denied that option football DOES WORK in the nfl if you can make it an accent piece to any offensive scheme. Spread, wco, vertical, any offense can be married with option qbs as long as that qb can pass.
I can only imagine what would have happened if a guy like tommy frazier or major harris had gotten the same opportunity?
We run a stale out dated wco. marry it to some triple option to involve our speed burners on offense. Use creative motions and formations and misdirection and we too can have something very difficult to stop.
tp6 will give the defense fits in a similar scheme.
the writing is on the wall, the game has changed, the qb will never be the same and the wave of the future is here!!
December 6th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
And this is the ONLY reason that I would get Pryor playing time for that he hasn’t earned in practice. A very select, super minimal playbook with simple reads that he has a high liklihood of not screwing up. Put him in a position where people can get woodies over his athletic potential and that mask his intellectual limitations.
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“His intellectual limitations” ?
That’s a rather……assumption.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Well, DA said that Pryor might play at some point this season, Knapp said that there was a package of plays for him in the Cleveland game and Reggie said they want to see what they have in him.
So, um, that would be why, people.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
NFL DEFENSES STILL CANT STOP THE READ OPTION PLAY.
EVEN GIANTS PRO BOWL DLINE couldnt stop it.
Russell Wilson tore up the bears D with it in overtime. He was like on some super turbo cheat mode lol
December 6th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Rising Raiders… Agree with your take too…
I’d never want my team to lose…. Draft position or not….
December 6th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
I hope DA throws in a few Max protect schemes for Palmer if not he just might get lit up all night.
God bless the Allen family.
Good luck Raider Nation.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
i picked the wrong week to stop smoking !!
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Same here. I switched to e-cigs last week. They actually work, check out V2.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Once the game starts Ill be rooting for my team as usual but I really want us to lose preferably a blowout I’m pretty numb to the pain of losing at this point and want DA and his staff to be embarrassed as much as possible so Mark feels the need to take action sooner rather than later.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
WE NEED THAT PASSSION BACK!!! WE NEED THE RAIDERS TO COME BACK ON TOP!!!
I WANT WINNERS!!!
December 6th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Zymurge,
For perspective my fav QB as a kid was Bob Griese of ‘72 and he probably never threw more than 10 passes a whole game and he was great to me! Lol Lol !!!!!!!!!!
December 6th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
All i know is Allen better not be buddying up with Fox again after the game, sickest thing ive ever seen. Al would have fired him that night when your a Raider two things mater. 1. Just Win Baby 2. F#*k The Broncos
December 6th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Eastoak… Wow… This is the first year I’ve ever heard any Raider fans hoping were blownout…. Including 2006… I’m from Richmond…. Been following this team since 1970
December 6th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Who knows maybe DA coaches the game of his career tonight?
Maybe someone makes a mistake tonight and he is dropping f bombs like crazy.. maybe he becomes the next JON GRUDEN tonight on the national stage.
Maybe he is listening to Eminems song You only got one moment
December 6th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Mistic: “I have known for year that if qb’s like griffin were given the same opportunities as others they could revolutionize football.”
Like Giffin?
Oh, you mean black players?
Who have the same opportunity, year after year, as any other player on the field? Best player plays? That opportunity?
Raci-st P-O-S.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
I just want to see Carson Palmer go an entire game without throwing a pick and how bout showing Pmanning there are two top teir QB’s in this game. I want to see DMC look similar to the HB we know him to be. I’d like to see the defense look like they have a clue what playing as a team really means. If those thing happen the rest will take care of itself.
And I definitely want to see at least few series from the young dynamic QB.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Code just win baby
December 6th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Plunketthead Says:
BSPN had a poll. Which Rookie QB has been the most impressive
Wilson 42%
Griffin 32%
Luck 26%
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Maybe he’s most impressive based on expectations?
December 6th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
You never want to teach your team to lose… Their are guys on tonight team that are coming back…. I want them to learn how to win… Not lose…. And I want them to try and win even when the odds say they don’t have much chance..
December 6th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
PRIEST i heard you on the radio yesterday haha.. only thing i agree with u on was at the end…
DA GOTTA GO lmao
btw did u ever call in to rick tiddles show on 860 am ?? or someothing like that
December 6th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
I think you’ll see some Pryor tonight…. A few plays anyway..
December 6th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
883.fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Eastoak… Wow… This is the first year I’ve ever heard any Raider fans hoping were blownout…. Including 2006… I’m from Richmond…. Been following this team since 1970
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AFTER the fact i might be able to look back on a game we lost and try to rationalize that it served some kind of purpose to elevate our draft position or something, but it is totally against my DNA and my very existence to watch a Raider game and root against them under any circumstances.
Just can’t do it.
I’ve never tried, but I know it’s impossible.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Mistic: “I have known for year that if qb’s like griffin were given the same opportunities as others they could revolutionize football.”
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How anyone can call this statement racist, shows who the racist really is. Wanting to see fair treatment and equal opportunity as a racist comment is ludicrous.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Wow Mistic is back at his usual trolling again and now some idiot will tell me to shut up cuz I’m feeding him
December 6th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Greg Papa, “How many players, I’m talking about players, guys that should even b on the 53, do they really have? I count maybe 10.” #Raiders twitter
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Papa knows
December 6th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
I’m reading Master of the Mountain, Thomas Jefferson and his slaves. Interesting read.
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You are such a liar.
You posted this last year.
Saying you’re reading a book doesn’t mean you ever seen the book, obviously.
Same as saying you’ve traveled here, or there. Anyone can say that. Doubt anyone believes you, quite honestly.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Priesttj… I hope it turnsout likethat as well…half this team will be back… I want to see them act like the players we want them to be ..
December 6th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Code 10 and THEN
December 6th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
AFTER the fact i might be able to look back on a game we lost and try to rationalize that it served some kind of purpose to elevate our draft position or something, but it is totally against my DNA and my very existence to watch a Raider game and root against them under any circumstances.
Just can’t do it.
I’ve never tried, but I know it’s impossible.
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Same here.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
morilla Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
i picked the wrong week to stop smoking !!
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Same here. I switched to e-cigs last week. They actually work, check out V2.
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i have the ones called blu. not to bad but, just not quite right. so i supplement with weed !!!
December 6th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Equal treatment?? Wtf this isn’t 1970, black players get starting jobs in every position , they get drafted as #1s all the time , example Jamarcus Russel, did the Raiders not give him opportunity??
December 6th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
YO YO WHUTTUP THE BEEEECH DAWG N FULL EFFECT
I see KrappyRat is mumbling around the blog as usual, awesome. I’ll get to baggin’ on the Old Troll in a hot minute, holla
Just finished 2 hrs of Bikram yoga, my nads have never felt so loose and ready to produce
Hit up the studio here at the Marina after smoking a few blunts and 3 Egg McMuffins
You KNOW I pooped those out after the first 16 lunges, holla
Anyway the Beeeech Lawg was getting a TON of looks from all the hot hizzies in the class, afterward when I was toweling off this shorty asked if she could measure him
We went to her Prius, got in the back seat, and she pulled out the yard stick. Yup – still a full foot (high five)
Althought with 7 inches in her backdoor, he’s only about 5 now
Get it, I’m currently porking her in the traditional doggy style position with inter-rectal insertion
HELLS YEAH TO THE HIZZLE
December 6th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
I’m not sure their are even a dozen players that’s wed want back…. Theses last 4 games I’m gonna be looking for the guys still trying to win and play hard… Tired of the check cashers and slackers
December 6th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Code maybe next year
December 6th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Lol… I’ve got some good buds ready to burn …quit smoking cigarettes 20 yrs ago ..
December 6th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Damn, you’re an envious little prick, aren’t you cross poster? Lol geez.
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Let’s take stock of what you have that would make me envious.
You don’t work, at all. Nope, not that.
You have no friends. Nope, not that either.
You have no hobbies. Certainly not that.
Your wife works, while you do nothing all day, every day. For sure, not that.
You proudly state you don’t give one single penny of your wife’s money to the Raiders. Oh hell no, not that.
You look like Herman Munster. Do I even need to say it?
Your wife looks like Herman Munsters dog, on a bad hair day. Nope, certainly not that.
You live in squalor, in a run down area of Harbor Island, in a small house. That, too, would be a hell no.
Not seeing it, Kell. Maybe you could enlighten me as to even one thing anyone would envy?
One?
December 6th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Eastoak… Wow… This is the first year I’ve ever heard any Raider fans hoping were blownout…. Including 2006… I’m from Richmond…. Been following this team since 1970
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I guess what I’m trying to say is, I’ll be rooting for a win but if we lose and lose bad I wont be mad. I’ve become numb to the pain of losing for this season, so I want Mark, Reggie, DA and staff to be utterly embarrassed, Change has to happen and theres no quicker way to get the ball rolling than with an embarrassing loss to a hated div foe at home.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Code our hands were tied
December 6th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
903.fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
I’m not sure their are even a dozen players that’s wed want back…. Theses last 4 games I’m gonna be looking for the guys still trying to win and play hard… Tired of the check cashers and slackers
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Exactly what management will be doing as well.
That’s what I’ve been watching for.
So far, I’ve got
Reece
Houston
Streater
Wheeler
Myers
Veldheer
Bryant
Palmer with help
Burris as backup
Mitchell as backup
December 6th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Wow Mistic is back at his usual trolling again and now some idiot will tell me to shut up cuz I’m feeding him
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Shut up.
Don’t feed him.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
I’d like to see Moore and McFadden get back to where we need them to be…. What a better stage than Thursday night football against the Donks…
December 6th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Code Pink.
You know, medium rare?
December 6th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Lol… I’ve got some good buds ready to burn …quit smoking cigarettes 20 yrs ago ..
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quit 6 days ago.. and jonesin like a mofo !!
December 6th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
They don’t want to give the Raider fans Gruden and are “disgusted” by the thought of that so why not throw us a little bone and let us see Pryor at least.
God forbid they provide us with a little bit of excitement or something interesting.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
MR is off his meds.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Code I’ll be home for Christmas
December 6th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
LA to the bay…. Good list…agree… Wish Branch had been better… I really thought he was gonna be a Baller
December 6th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Fellas, ( priest and mistic)
It’s true back in the day African Americans were not given an fair or equal opportunity as a QB! And it was a crime and a shame! But times have changed at least in regards to the NFL and QBs. If the stuff you guys are talking now was being said 20 years ago, I would be in complete agreement and outraged as well but nowadays how can you say it’s not fair RG3 was drafted #2 and is getting a fair chance right off the bat.
I don’t understand the angst, the best players play and RG3 and others are playing and their will be many more to come! And I think that’s great! What’s the problem?
December 6th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Can you imagine the backlash if TP tanks?
No way the Raiders take that risk on national TV.
If DA was smart he will treat TP like harbaugh treated Kap. Put him in here and there, then yank him.
December 6th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Raiding
I am sure it was just most impressive. surprised me
December 6th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Mike… Roll a big fatty brother !
December 6th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Fingers,
They don’t know how to use him, plus he limits himself cause he’s not good in coverage.
Anybody remember science experiment gone right Juice Campkowski (workman like attitude with keen athletic prowess)?
Wish Al’s evil doctors could have merged Gio and Branch before Reggie fired them.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Can you imagine the backlash if TP tanks?
No way the Raiders take that risk on national TV.
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Cause we have what to lose exactly?
December 6th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
I agree about easing Pryor in… I’m not thrilled about throwing him out there behind this oline Just yet…. I want him to do well… Not just thrown out there
December 6th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
LA to the Bay…. That’s why I’d like Tarver to be given his walking papers
December 6th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
I did think the Oline was a little better in the Browns game….a little…
December 6th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Alright Nerds, I just finished porking the yoga hizzy in the backdoor, now it’s off for a 12 pack of Doritos Locos and a Sierra Mist
After a quick jacuzzi, I’ll head back out to the pool for some more high intensity yoga
Working on a dope new pose called:
THE HIT PARADE
This is where I stand very still in one place, smoke a blunt and sip a margarita while a hot babe does a hand stand in front of me so I can eat out her cooter
Of course you’ll be seeing this move on all the new 2013 yoga videos, guess that’s why they call it the blues
December 6th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
arkraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Fellas, ( priest and mistic)
It’s true back in the day African Americans were not given an fair or equal opportunity as a QB! And it was a crime and a shame! But times have changed at least in regards to the NFL and QBs. If the stuff you guys are talking now was being said 20 years ago, I would be in complete agreement and outraged as well but nowadays how can you say it’s not fair RG3 was drafted #2 and is getting a fair chance right off the bat.
I don’t understand the angst, the best players play and RG3 and others are playing and their will be many more to come! And I think that’s great! What’s the problem?
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you must have missed my post
“the writing is on the wall, qb will never be the same, the wave of the future is here”
thank god for cam newton, russel wilson and rgIII
proving what i have known to be true since the 70’s.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Maybe not tonight for Pryor unless we’re getting blown out, but I would like to see him soon otherwise we’re always gonna be wondering if we had something with him or not.
Maybe it’ll be the Chiefs game?
I don’t know if throwing him out there for a couple plays is gonna give us any real indication.
Why not have him start and finish a game.
If we are 3-10 what does it really matter?
I guess the only thing is the Chiefs are a team we might beat normally so I guess putting Pryor in there might jeopardize that…but u never know. Maybe he’ll run like crazy and hit some deep shots and we’ll have something to get a little excited about.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
I agree about easing Pryor in… I’m not thrilled about throwing him out there behind this oline Just yet…. I want him to do well… Not just thrown out there
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Mobile QB’s sometimes make the oline look better because of their ability to avoid the rush.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Throw him in in the 4thQ tonight AND have him start the Chiefs game. I’m thinking more like SD, but who knows.
Would be hard to bench CP to start a game when he has 20 TDs and 3500 yards.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Back when we were great…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiBkpzm-5IU
This current team needs a…
a Gannon
a Timmy Brown
a Lincoln Kennedy
a Ty Wheatly
a Grady Jackson
a Howie Long
a Rod Martin
a Charles Woodson
and a Jack Tatum
December 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Dj… I hope they give Pryor a few plays tonight regardless of the score… I wanna see him play but I don’t what them to just throw him to the wolfs … If the games outta hand the Donks will just come after him…..i wanna see his arm .. I want them to ease him in… IMO
December 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
arkraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Fellas, ( priest and mistic)
It’s true back in the day African Americans were not given an fair or equal opportunity as a QB! And it was a crime and a shame! But times have changed at least in regards to the NFL and QBs. If the stuff you guys are talking now was being said 20 years ago, I would be in complete agreement and outraged as well but nowadays how can you say it’s not fair RG3 was drafted #2 and is getting a fair chance right off the bat.
I don’t understand the angst, the best players play and RG3 and others are playing and their will be many more to come! And I think that’s great! What’s the problem?
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Here is it in a nutshell.
Mistic and Priest and Koolkell blame whitey for their lot in life.
They don’t want to say their failures are their fault. Easier to blame ‘whitey’.
When a black player performs, they strut and say “see? I’m black. They look good, so I must look good as well.”
When a black player doesn’t perform well, they blame whitey for not giving him a supporting cast, or not training him properly, or yanking him too soon. Never the players fault (see priest and koolkell: Russell)
When they say “so and so got screwed” what they are doing is making excuses to themselves on why they also feel screwed.
read: pathetic losers.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Mistic says:===========
you must have missed my post
“the writing is on the wall, qb will never be the same, the wave of the future is here”
thank god for cam newton, russel wilson and rgIII
proving what i have known to be true since the 70’s.
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Which is……?
December 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTB-nAqjMdE&feature=plcp
December 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
They don’t want to give the Raider fans Gruden and are “disgusted” by the thought of that so why not throw us a little bone and let us see Pryor at least.
God forbid they provide us with a little bit of excitement or something interesting.
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Is watching a QB run the only version of excitement that the fans want? Is not watching a passing offense that is putting up top of the NFL like numbers exciting to you? If not, then I’d say by this logic that fans here are different than fans of the Lions, Saints, Patriots, Packers, Broncos, etc. I don’t see any of their fans saying to take out their prolific passing QB in order to insert one that can run.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=FglzcAW2pnE&NR=1
We could also use a little….
William Thomas and Eric Allen
December 6th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Riff… What a lineup…that’s quality
December 6th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Mistic I can agree but u seem bent out of shape like it was the old days! Things have changed, a lot more needs to change in society but the field has been leveled in the NFL in regards to the QB question!
Relax and enjoy it! I know I am!
December 6th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I was told Bergstrom was getting reps on the Oline.
What position is he getting run at?
December 6th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
I agree about easing Pryor in… I’m not thrilled about throwing him out there behind this oline Just yet…. I want him to do well… Not just thrown out there
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Mobile QB’s sometimes make the oline look better because of their ability to avoid the rush.
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and mobile QBs sometimes make the receivers look worse because they take off running before going through their series of options. They run for 12 yards and miss the opportunity to throw to the 4th read that beat his 1 on 1 coverage and is busting deep down the sideline.
I believe that it was Gruden himself that pointed this out while doing an Eagles broadcast.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Riff… I’ve got my old Tim Brown 81 on right now….
December 6th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
u seem bent out of shape like it was the old days
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Nah…
A couple folks get bent out of shape because he’s excited to see a new style of QB seemingly becoming popular.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Zymurg… That’s why I’d like to see Pryor eased in … I don’t want him just thrown out there
December 6th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
J Hill Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I was told Bergstrom was getting reps on the Oline.
What position is he getting run at?
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I was told the Lakers suck and are behind the lowly Warriors in the standings, LMAO.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
After watching old videos… It becomes super clear…
Tyvon Branch = Anthony Dorsett 2.0
December 6th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
I saw Bilikudi getting snaps at DT.
Burris looks good rushing the passer and attacking the LOS. TERRIBLE in pass coverage.
Ross looks decent out there.
Streater and Criner look good to.
I like that RB Stewart.
Some good you pups on the squad.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
As JFB said just scroll, baby
December 6th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
I was told the Lakers suck and are behind the lowly Warriors in the standings, LMAO.
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Ouch!!!
December 6th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Riff… What a lineup…that’s quality
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It puts the last decade in perspective.
Especially these last two 8-8 seasons that everyone seems to have on their mantle.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
937,
At 3-10 or 4-9 the season is over anyway. I am not convinced that Pryor can’t do some things with his arm.
We talk alot about him and my curiosity is picqued to see what he will do in a real game.
He was our 3rd round pick from 2 yrs ago and ina lost season why not put him in?
There’s a level of excitement in the unknown of that; and not risky since we don’t have anything to lose.
It’s not a guaranteed loss anyway.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Mistic says:
you must have missed my post
“the writing is on the wall, qb will never be the same, the wave of the future is here”
thank god for cam newton, russel wilson and rgIII
proving what i have known to be true since the 70’s.
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I didn’t hear you saying this about Tebow. Is he not the same wave of the future, an option read QB that relies on his feet?
I’m pretty sure that there was the guy named Fran Tarkenton back in those 70’s that did an awful lot of running from the QB spot. Maybe you missed him when you were too busy waiting? Then there was this guy named Steve Young in the 80’s that could run a bit too. I guess he was just a good 25-30 years ahead of the future wave, as was another great running QB named Randall Cunningham.
Then there’s this Andrew Luck kid that is equally adept at beating you with both his feet and his arm. How come he’s not in this future wave?
December 6th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
I know we need a DT and RDE in the worst way.
But if the best OL in the draft is sitting there for us, can we really pass?
Best CB???
December 6th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
I agree about easing Pryor in… I’m not thrilled about throwing him out there behind this oline Just yet…. I want him to do well… Not just thrown out there
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Mobile QB’s sometimes make the oline look better because of their ability to avoid the rush.
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and mobile QBs sometimes make the receivers look worse because they take off running before going through their series of options. They run for 12 yards and miss the opportunity to throw to the 4th read that beat his 1 on 1 coverage and is busting deep down the sideline.
I believe that it was Gruden himself that pointed this out while doing an Eagles broadcast.
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That is true but at this point who cares? but That preseason play against DET begs to differ.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
I was told the warriors arent losers anymore… (tom cable)
December 6th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Pryor needs to play tonight period, if the game gets outta hand(which is quite possible) Palmer should be sat down because the beatings he’s been taking(and knapp having him pass it 50 plus times) it only a matter of time before he gets hurt. IMO its time to shelf Palmer for the season so we can get a good look at Pryor.
>. just start Pryor to see if they need to Draft a QB. Palmer is a tough SOB man but he’s not the future unless Gruden came in here possibly. otherwise they need to see if Pryor is decent enough to take over or just roll with palmer for another year until they can get a QB they like.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Seriously, watch the videos I posted.
It’ll get you feeling good enough to then handle the stomach punch that awaits us tonight.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Mistic = Racist
December 6th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
J Hill Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
I know we need a DT and RDE in the worst way.
But if the best OL in the draft is sitting there for us, can we really pass?
Best CB???
>. need to draft for that OLINE, run the ball control the LOS and they can compete next year. fix the garbage Defense through free agency AND the 2014 and 15 drafts. they can fix this offense by shuffling the OLINE.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
933.fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Dj… I hope they give Pryor a few plays tonight regardless of the score… I wanna see him play but I don’t what them to just throw him to the wolfs … If the games outta hand the Donks will just come after him…..i wanna see his arm .. I want them to ease him in… IMO
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I don’t know, which is why I ask, did Kaepernick start a game before he was thrown in the mix against Chicago?
December 6th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
J Hill Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
I know we need a DT and RDE in the worst way.
But if the best OL in the draft is sitting there for us, can we really pass?
Best CB???
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You should check out some mock drafts and Mel Kipers big board, theres a lot of olinemen and front seven guys getting a lot of run.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Yep… Those last two 8/8 teams rely wernt that good…. We’re just dying for something good…. Last years team wasn’t even near being a real playoff team…. We just wish they were… Me included … I expected better this year….. Bummer
December 6th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
We have SO MANY HOLES that we must simply draft the best player available.
IMO, you always draft best player available. The draft is way too important to waste picks.
And we are in need so badly of a solid pick, we cannot miss on this pick. We MUST get an impact player.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
DE – Houston
NT –
DE – Bryant
OLB – Burris
ILB – Wheeler
ILB -
OLB –
CB –
CB –
S – Huff
S – Ross
I can’t see us drafting a NT unless we trade TK. DAMMMM
Probably OLB/DE or CB with #1 pick.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
What position is he getting run at?
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J, extra TE in Jumbo set.
Agree, Ross had a good game in spot duty vs. CLE.
Reggie said he’s a best player available kinda guy, so it’s possible we could take an O Lineman, but only if we trade down (we have a LT and nobody else would warrant a top 5 pick, which we are sure to get). A CB is possible, but I see us trading down and getting one in the 2nd.
I really think it’s Geno Smith or Demontre (sp?) Moore.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
I agree about easing Pryor in… I’m not thrilled about throwing him out there behind this oline Just yet…. I want him to do well… Not just thrown out there
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Mobile QB’s sometimes make the oline look better because of their ability to avoid the rush.
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and mobile QBs sometimes make the receivers look worse because they take off running before going through their series of options. They run for 12 yards and miss the opportunity to throw to the 4th read that beat his 1 on 1 coverage and is busting deep down the sideline.
I believe that it was Gruden himself that pointed this out while doing an Eagles broadcast.
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That is true but at this point who cares? but That preseason play against DET begs to differ.
>. scrambling QBS have shorter life spans. been proven over and over. the ones that last(mcnabb) CHANGE into pocket passers that run as a last resort.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
Mobile QB’s sometimes make the oline look better because of their ability to avoid the rush.
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Surprisingly, the Raiders have allowed fewer sacks than a lot of teams with mobile QBs. They rank as 10th fewest given up. Weird.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Yep… Those last two 8/8 teams rely wernt that good…. We’re just dying for something good…. Last years team wasn’t even near being a real playoff team…. We just wish they were… Me included … I expected better this year….. Bummer
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It’s funny watching how good of a coach Chucky B looked like when he had a talented D.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
J Hill Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
I know we need a DT and RDE in the worst way.
But if the best OL in the draft is sitting there for us, can we really pass?
Best CB???
>. need to draft for that OLINE, run the ball control the LOS and they can compete next year. fix the garbage Defense through free agency AND the 2014 and 15 drafts. they can fix this offense by shuffling the OLINE.
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Agreed there some beast prospects out there at the oline position.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Nobody and i mean nobody is interested in seeing palmer play tonight. people are about as excited to see as they are to watch the raider defense.
They both stink and are tough to stomach.
I mean was there anything more pathetic than watching palmer getting absolutely abused and bludgeoned by the afc north?
especially the bungles bowl and browns game at home. those were the flops of the century. With a chance a personal redemption on the line palmer came up lame.
He was like defenseless new born gazelle being ripped apart by hungry jackals.
worse than the physical errors are the mental gaffs that this guy makes. million dollar arm 10 cent brain palmer is.
With the raiders in the game vs Cleveland and the run game actually working, palmer starts calling audibles at the line and checking into pass plays. this at the bewilderment of his team mates. what comes next the signature palmer game killing pick.
This sad sack of qb is beyond washed up, and no one on earth cares to watch him slink on to the filed and lead another loss.
yelling at his own teammates yet wilts in the face of his opponents.
carson puts up as much fight as a lifeless slug
when do we bench this dude already?
mean while the palmer worshipers and instant upgrade crowd are in a stupor. both paralyzed by the astonishing flame out displayed by their fallen hero, and crushed beneath the expectations and ridiculous proclamations.
Most of the palmer worshipers still refuse to acknowledge the colossal bust palmer is here, and have chosen simply to remain silent on the issue.
Their silence does not shield them from the embarrassment of their folly, or the kick in the nuts that is the realization that at least one raider fan had the goods on Palmer form the outset.
yes they are silent, but they are silent fools none the less.
others have tried to abandon ship and change their tune altogether on palmer. This also doesnt obscure the memory of their champagne celebration upon palmers grossly over hyped arrival. This defense only makes them indecisive but still fools.
One thing is certain and has remained true as i have said since the beginning of the failed palmer debacle
BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!
December 6th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Draft pick/slot is only minor bonus…and i agree 5-11 vs 3-13 may be in the noise (unless 3-13 gets us a 1 o 2 over all which it might)
still..primary plus side of 3-13 = MAJOR change (almost) guaranteed for coaching esp if we go out in a blaze of non-glory (2-3 more blowouts).
i also think IF (giant if) gruden is available? for real…then even if we go 7-9 allen gets azzcanned…maybe even reggie 9depend on terms gru demands)..that however is a long shot…
but 3-13 wile it wont = gruden it is highly likely we get this WAYYYY over their head/drowning coaching staff removed…
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tuckrulefool Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Santa, Just gimme THREE under the TREE!
3-13 baby!
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come draft day 3-13 won’t feel much different than 5-11 or whatever because McK likely will have to trade way down for more picks and so we will watch the next j.j.watts, von millers and co. go off the board. at least we are recently used to watch the draft from the outside pretty much like postseason..
December 6th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
I really think it’s Geno Smith or Demontre (sp?) Moore.
*if we don’t trade down.
If we do, probably the best pass rusher or interior O Line on the board.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
J Hill Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
DE – Houston
NT –
DE – Bryant
OLB – Burris
ILB – Wheeler
ILB -
OLB –
CB –
CB –
S – Huff
S – Ross
I can’t see us drafting a NT unless we trade TK. DAMMMM
Probably OLB/DE or CB with #1 pick.
>> so many holes on defense. why not draft a Center and maybe a RT and shuffle the OLINE. control the LOS and TOP and this team will compete next year. THEN worry about drafting to fix that high school defense.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Dj… They eased Kap in …. Then Smith got his bell rung … And Kap got the start
December 6th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
CODE THREE UNDER THE TREE
December 6th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Maybe not tonight for Pryor unless we’re getting blown out, but I would like to see him soon otherwise we’re always gonna be wondering if we had something with him or not.
Maybe it’ll be the Chiefs game?
I don’t know if throwing him out there for a couple plays is gonna give us any real indication.
Why not have him start and finish a game.
If we are 3-10 what does it really matter?
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What is this? Football 101??
Matters a lot.
If you have no choice to play a qb, and someone gets hurt because the qb hangs a receiver out to dry, or the qb costs the team because he took a sack, or threw a pick, then it’s part of the game.
Having a player cost the team just because a few dipwad fans wants to see a player play?
Makes no sense.
Oh wait. This is the raiders board.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
I don’t know what is meant by the qb position never being the same.
Is this referring to athletic qb’s who can pass AND run?
Or are we talking something else?
I would assume the “wave of the future” qb’s would include the top college players at that position too.
That would include Johnny Manziel and Colin Klein..the top two qb’s in the country and the only qb’s up for the Heisman trophy right?
December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
I really think it’s Geno Smith
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc
December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Having a player cost the team just because a few dipwad fans wants to see a player play?
Makes no sense.
Oh wait. This is the raiders board.
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Dipwad management apparently wants to see him play at some point as well.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
After watching old videos… It becomes super clear…
Tyvon Branch = Anthony Dorsett 2.0
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BINGO!!!!!!!!
December 6th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Norv to be fired at seasons end …just saw that
December 6th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Yep… Those last two 8/8 teams rely wernt that good…. We’re just dying for something good…. Last years team wasn’t even near being a real playoff team…. We just wish they were… Me included … I expected better this year….. Bummer
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It’s funny watching how good of a coach Chucky B looked like when he had a talented D.
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IMO that D wasnt that great either, our O was just so good we always had a big lead and teams were forced to play catch up. I remember some nail bitters where the D barely hung on including the AFC chapionship game.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
We could still trade down and pick up EJ Manuel in the mid 1st but his last game kind of soured me. We’ll see how he does in bowl game and Senior Bowl.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
“Is this referring to athletic qb’s who can pass AND run?”
We have had athletic QB’s that can run in the league for years if you like watching running QB’s watch college football, but that crap has no place in the NFL!
December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
[...]
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That is true but at this point who cares? but That preseason play against DET begs to differ.
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It proved to me that he’s the same QB he was in college. He can lock onto his primary receiver and throw to him with some accuracy if he’s open. Otherwise he runs, and runs well.
The thing in, late in a preseason game he’s playing against defenses that are 3rd stringers that aren’t any better than a college defense. Those primary targets are going to be open a lot. When they aren’t, the average speed of the defense is less than NFL level starters, so he’s going to look more explosive running.
If I actually saw him stand in the pocket, move his head off of a single target and show that he can find the best option from several, I’d think differently. Didn’t see it. With that approach, starting NFL defenses will eat him alive. We all know that he lacks the mechanics to make pinpoint throws into tight coverage. He’ll be baited by savvy secondaries into making throws that he shouldn’t and soon having us all long for the days of Palmers only 1 or 2 bad throws a game.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!
>>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS, we know man. Palmer isn’t the future but that guy is the toughest player on the damn team man. that guy EARNS his paycheck. and I’m sure Pryor is the savior in your eyes but your nuthuggery is insane to me. let pryor play, i agree but not because he’s better than palmer. need to see if the raiders need to spend their 3rd overall pick on a QB or not. simple as that man.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
After watching old videos… It becomes super clear…
Tyvon Branch = Anthony Dorsett 2.0
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Except Anthony Dorsett actually made some big plays. I’ve never been a Branch fan.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
>>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS, we know man. Palmer isn’t the future but that guy is the toughest player on the damn team man. that guy EARNS his paycheck. and I’m sure Pryor is the savior in your eyes but your nuthuggery is insane to me. let pryor play, i agree but not because he’s better than palmer. need to see if the raiders need to spend their 3rd overall pick on a QB or not. simple as that man.
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Well put.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
I’m not a Palmer worshiper.
I’m a hater of “put qb in because he’s black”
Not because he’s good (he’s not. If you watched preseason, it’s very obvious he’s not. BTW, the coaches watched preseason, and didn’t even activate TP until now) but because he’s black.
Not because he’s the future (many believe he shouldn’t even be a qb, and very well might not be a qb next year) but BECAUSE HE’S BLACK.
The world snickers, and laughs at those that subscribe to the above.
Die already.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
After watching old videos… It becomes super clear…
Tyvon Branch = Anthony Dorsett 2.0
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Except Anthony Dorsett actually made some big plays. I’ve never been a Branch fan.
>. yeah but Branch is an “effort” guy so he doesn’t need to make plays when it counts
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Yep… Those last two 8/8 teams rely wernt that good…. We’re just dying for something good…. Last years team wasn’t even near being a real playoff team…. We just wish they were… Me included … I expected better this year….. Bummer
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It’s funny watching how good of a coach Chucky B looked like when he had a talented D.
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IMO that D wasnt that great either, our O was just so good we always had a big lead and teams were forced to play catch up. I remember some nail bitters where the D barely hung on including the AFC chapionship game.
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Revisionist history.
I just rewatched the 2000 and 2001 seasons.
Our offense wasnt a jaugernaut til 2002
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Dj… They eased Kap in …. Then Smith got his bell rung … And Kap got the start
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Forgot one key point. Kap proved in camp that he should be the 2nd string QB. By the logic of seeing what we have in the future, the Raiders should be easing Leinhart into the lineup and then setting him to start should Palmer get hurt.
But what place does logic have here on this board?
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!
>>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS
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What a fkin COPOUT!!! If you don’t like his post, counter with an actual football take.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
“We could still trade down and pick up EJ Manuel in the mid 1st but his last game kind of soured me. We’ll see how he does in bowl game and Senior Bowl.”
Did you not just watch Solomon Wilcox on NFLN saying the one good thing the Raiders have and will build around is Carson Palmer!
We will not be drafting a QB for a while this years class sucks anyway
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
You guys are crazy. I’d take Anthony Dorsett , Marques POPE and GIBRIL WILSON
over BRANCH and MITCHELL, and MICHELLE HUFF any day
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Norv for OC?…just askin
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
>. need to draft for that OLINE, run the ball control the LOS
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I agree.
Is there a blue chip OT we can grab? Move Veldheer to RT?
Improving the Oline is a bigger priority than the pass rush, imo. Not to say the pass rush isn’t a priority, but the QB is taking to many hits, and there are no holes to run through.
Wouldn’t be mad at all if we drafted OL in rd 1.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Mistic says:
you must have missed my post
“the writing is on the wall, qb will never be the same, the wave of the future is here”
thank god for cam newton, russel wilson and rgIII
proving what i have known to be true since the 70’s.
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I didn’t hear you saying this about Tebow. Is he not the same wave of the future, an option read QB that relies on his feet?
I’m pretty sure that there was the guy named Fran Tarkenton back in those 70’s that did an awful lot of running from the QB spot. Maybe you missed him when you were too busy waiting? Then there was this guy named Steve Young in the 80’s that could run a bit too. I guess he was just a good 25-30 years ahead of the future wave, as was another great running QB named Randall Cunningham.
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Your response was both predictable and laughably flawed
tebow cant throw the ball to save his life. So of course i would not include him amongst the super talented players like newton wilson and russel. tebow isnt wave of the future he is more like waived in the future.
although I did write extensively last year that tebow was proving that option football is a viable nfl offense.
tarkenton and young didnt have the arm that wilson newton and rgIII have, (neither does luck ). Young and tarkenton had popguns.
young and tark dont have the combination of arm strength blazing speed and quickness.
Cunningham was the closest to them, yet the eagles failed to implement an offense to fit his skill. they instead forced him into an offense and he was stunted by this. he eventually in minny had an offense built to suit his strength throwing down field. yet by this time he was no longer the weapon x qb that could out rubn you for 60 yards.
No newton wilson and rgIII are special because they walked into the nfl as polished passers from the pocket that can destroy you with their feet. they also have offense built around them instead of being forced into a scheme.
Wave of the futre
December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
After watching old videos… It becomes super clear…
Tyvon Branch = Anthony Dorsett 2.0
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Except Anthony Dorsett actually made some big plays. I’ve never been a Branch fan.
>. yeah but Branch is an “effort” guy so he doesn’t need to make plays when it counts
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Hilarious!
December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!
>>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS
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What a fkin COPOUT!!! If you don’t like his post, counter with an actual football take.
>> hows it a coput when the dude posts endlessly about black mobile QBs? and that was a FOOTBALL take did you not READ past that first line you copied? don’t rip a sentence put of a paragraph and use it as the context. you’re not running for office
December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Me.?… I think we keep Palmer for another year or two and build up the rest of the team and hope a Qb shows up to be drafted down the line…
December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
I don’t know what is meant by the qb position never being the same.
Is this referring to athletic qb’s who can pass AND run?
Or are we talking something else?
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He’s talking about skin color.
There have been plenty of running QBs in history. None of them panned out.
Flutie, Tarkenton, Cunningham, and Steve Young were all great in their own right. But Young is the only one to win a SB and he did it from the pocket.
Mistic = Racist
December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Having a player cost the team just because a few dipwad fans wants to see a player play?
Makes no sense.
Oh wait. This is the raiders board.
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Dipwad management apparently wants to see him play at some point as well.
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Management was asked about numerous players, and the correct reply, always, is to say “we would like to get them out there, at some point”.
What else could they possible say?
“No, we pay them each week, but we never want a situation where we get to see them play”??
Of course not.
Not saying each and every player shouldn’t get some reps. Just saying he should get reps when he’s ready, or has earned it, or has shown the coaches something, not just because some fans want to see the black guy.
Some here want to see TP play.
We all know which ones want to see ‘the black guy’ play.
Sad.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
NFL: AroundTheLeague@NFL_ATL
Report: A.J. Smith, Norv Turner out after 2012 season in San Diego http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000106869/article/norv-turner-aj-smith-reportedly-out-for-chargers-at-seasons-end?campaign=Twitter_atl …
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CUE the GRUDEN TO CHARGERS RUMORS… if mark davis lets that happens without making a play for Gruden.. well then good luck to Jonny
December 6th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
You guys are crazy. I’d take Anthony Dorsett , Marques POPE and GIBRIL WILSON
over BRANCH and MITCHELL, and MICHELLE HUFF any day
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Johnnie Harris too! I like Huff though.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
NORF >> GREGG KRAPP
December 6th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
After watching old videos… It becomes super clear…
Tyvon Branch = Anthony Dorsett 2.0
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Except Anthony Dorsett actually made some big plays. I’ve never been a Branch fan.
>. yeah but Branch is an “effort” guy so he doesn’t need to make plays when it counts
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Hilarious!
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What’s so hilarious, SeymourBush/CaptBlack/Oakglenn/666/?
December 6th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Norf?.. Lol
December 6th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
>>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS, we know man. Palmer isn’t the future but that guy is the toughest player on the damn team man. that guy EARNS his paycheck. and I’m sure Pryor is the savior in your eyes but your nuthuggery is insane to me. let pryor play, i agree but not because he’s better than palmer. need to see if the raiders need to spend their 3rd overall pick on a QB or not. simple as that man.
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A lot of that vetting happens in training camp, preseason and in practice. You don’t need to play someone to assess them if they aren’t showing the potential in those other areas. The staff already knows whether or not they need to look elsewhere for the future at QB. If they thought Pryor had a reasonable chance and wanted to further test that with live bullets, you’d think it wouldn’t take until the 12th game to suit up for the first time. You’d also think he’d get a little bit of PT in special packages to force the opposing defenses to study something extra.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Norv for OC?…just askin
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Norv is a great OC
Our WRs would not be able to run his offense tho.
Furthermore, as much trouble as our current WRs are having in picking up the current system, you want to change things up on them again with a new system?
I know Palmer could handle it, but our O-Line and WR’s would not be able too.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Wave of the futre
>> so RGIII and russell wilsn are first QBS that could beat with their feet and their arms? ever hear of KEn Stabler or tarkenton, cunnigham or maybe steve young. Steve young you know, the most ACCURATE passer in NFL history who was also the first GREAT running QB. RGIII and wilson are not a new Phenom, it’s been done before. I just hope RGIII doesn’t run himself into a injury ridden career like vick and YOUNG
December 6th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
J Hill Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
>. need to draft for that OLINE, run the ball control the LOS
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I agree.
Is there a blue chip OT we can grab? Move Veldheer to RT?
Improving the Oline is a bigger priority than the pass rush, imo. Not to say the pass rush isn’t a priority, but the QB is taking to many hits, and there are no holes to run through.
Wouldn’t be mad at all if we drafted OL in rd 1.
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OT FROM TexasA&M is said to be a cant miss.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
“There have been plenty of running QBs in history. None of them panned out.”
Its great in college but it doesn’t belong in the pro game is you ask me…never has worked anyways.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Norv for OC?…just askin
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No, he’s no leader either.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
NFL: AroundTheLeague@NFL_ATL
Report: A.J. Smith, Norv Turner out after 2012 season in San Diego http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000106869/article/norv-turner-aj-smith-reportedly-out-for-chargers-at-seasons-end?campaign=Twitter_atl …
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CUE the GRUDEN TO CHARGERS RUMORS… if mark davis lets that happens without making a play for Gruden.. well then good luck to Jonny
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If Mark lets this happen I will never forgive him. EVER.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!
>>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS
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What a fkin COPOUT!!! If you don’t like his post, counter with an actual football take.
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Don’t ever tell us what to do.
Ever.
You understand me, boy?
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Norv for OC?…just askin
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No, he’s no leader either.
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SHUT UP idiot. Since when does your OC need to be a “leader”.
Damn you say some stupid chit sometimes.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
I don’t know what is meant by the qb position never being the same.
Is this referring to athletic qb’s who can pass AND run?
Or are we talking something else?
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He’s talking about skin color.
There have been plenty of running QBs in history. None of them panned out.
Flutie, Tarkenton, Cunningham, and Steve Young were all great in their own right. But Young is the only one to win a SB and he did it from the pocket.
Mistic = Racist
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If we’re talking about athletic young QBs who can pass, which white guys should he be including? Maybe Luck. But Ponder and Locker suck!
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Yo Brahs, just finished up my yoga poses here by the pool and pulled out my acoustic guitar for a mellow jam
Suddenly a bunch of hot babes sat next to me and began swaying their heads in unison to my gentle strumming
Then, before you know it, I was belting out this amazing new jam dedicated to world peace, that should definite affect global policy:
I’ve got an idea for some wild romance
Let’s hop on a jet and visit Paris, France
We’ll enjoy the sites and sip fine wine
Then find a restaurant where we shalt dine
Back in our room we’ll turn the temperature up
You’ll touch my nads and I’ll lick your butt
After a smooth BJ we’ll raise a toast
To the mighty Beeech Lawg, who we love the most
Dang, I forgot to put in anything about world peace
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
so many holes on defense. why not draft a Center and maybe a RT and shuffle the OLINE. control the LOS and TOP and this team will compete next year. THEN worry about drafting to fix that high school defense.
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Agreed. Fix the o-line so our main attractions CP can have more time, and McF can have more holes to run through.
The defense can get better simply by not having to play from behind all the time, and picking up a free agent MLB and/or FS.
Rookies at those two position are too much of a crap shoot.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Me.?… I think we keep Palmer for another year or two and build up the rest of the team and hope a Qb shows up to be drafted down the line…
>> then they should TRY and trade down for a late 1st and pick up a 2nd and fix that OLINE and just pound the rock next year. then fix the D and see about a QB.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Fingers Says:
Norv for OC?…just askin
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Yes. In Dallas.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
NFL: AroundTheLeague@NFL_ATL
Report: A.J. Smith, Norv Turner out after 2012 season in San Diego http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000106869/article/norv-turner-aj-smith-reportedly-out-for-chargers-at-seasons-end?campaign=Twitter_atl …
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CUE the GRUDEN TO CHARGERS RUMORS… if mark davis lets that happens without making a play for Gruden.. well then good luck to Jonny
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If Mark lets this happen I will never forgive him. EVER.
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LMFAO.
You’ll “never” forgive him??
Gee, do you think Marc knows?
I mean, how devastating would that be to Mark and family if he finds out Riff won’t “ever” forgive him??
Lordy me..
December 6th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Gdog Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
so many holes on defense. why not draft a Center and maybe a RT and shuffle the OLINE. control the LOS and TOP and this team will compete next year. THEN worry about drafting to fix that high school defense.
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Agreed. Fix the o-line so our main attractions CP can have more time, and McF can have more holes to run through.
The defense can get better simply by not having to play from behind all the time, and picking up a free agent MLB and/or FS.
Rookies at those two position are too much of a crap shoot.
>. yep raiders need 11 starters on defense IMO, or close to it so the best way to counter that impossible weakness soon is to keep them off of the field
December 6th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
NFL Mock Draft – 12/4/2012
ROUND 1
1. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia: After taking the country by storm over the first half of the college football season, Smith and his Mountaineers have struggled in recent weeks and scouts worry that this could be one of those years in which no quarterback is deserving of No. 1 overall consideration. Even more frightening than that prospect, however, has been the play from Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn for the Chiefs. General manager Scott Pioli, who was responsible for bringing both quarterbacks into Kansas City has reportedly not been offered a contract extension. The Chiefs could be seeing wholesale changes in the off-season. There isn’t a better way to kickoff that transition than with a new swing at a franchise quarterback. Smith’s recent struggles are troubling but he possesses elite traits.
2. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State: The Jacksonville Jaguars currently rank 29th in the NFL in rush defense, allowing an average of 136 yards per game and have given up 14 touchdowns on the ground in just 11 games. Worse, they’re tied with the Oakland Raiders for dead last in the league with just 13 sacks in 11 games. The instinctive, physical Seminole would help in both areas, as well as help spark interest from a lagging fan base.
3. CAROLINA PANTHERS
Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah: Whomever the Carolina Panthers hire to replace fired general manager Marty Hurney could have his work cut out for him. One of the Panthers’ few bright spots this season has been the play of defensive ends Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy. Carolina’s defensive tackles could use an upgrade and Lotulelei is a terrific talent. With no elite receivers to help take the pressure off of Cam Newton, the Panthers and their defense-oriented head coach, Ron Rivera, could resort to the time-honored tradition of taking the best player available.
4. OAKLAND RAIDERS
Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M: The Raiders quietly possess one of the stouter defensive lines in the AFC but their starting defensive ends of Matt Shaughnessy and Lamar Houston will never be great pass rushers and currently have just 5.5 sacks between them. The Raiders rank just one sack ahead of the Jaguars for last in the league with just 14 quarterback take-downs in 12 games. Moore, who has starred as a pass-rushing linebacker and traditional defensive end for the Aggies, leads the SEC with 12.5 sacks and the country with 20 tackles for loss.
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CBS mock draft
December 6th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Gruden to the Chargers.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!
>>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS
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What a fkin COPOUT!!! If you don’t like his post, counter with an actual football take.
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Don’t ever tell us what to do.
Ever.
You understand me, boy?
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Hilarious! Tough guy burning up the keyboard I see. Well try this on for size. I’ll tell your schizo ass what to do anytime I want and you’ll just have to suck it and like it.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Cat fight.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
I missed your answer, Kell.
BTW, I know you are squirming. I know you have no reply, because the following is dead on.
But still, it’s fun.
KoolKell Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Damn, you’re an envious little prick, aren’t you cross poster? Lol geez.
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Let’s take stock of what you have that would make me envious.
You don’t work, at all. Nope, not that.
You have no friends. Nope, not that either.
You have no hobbies. Certainly not that.
Your wife works, while you do nothing all day, every day. For sure, not that.
You proudly state you don’t give one single penny of your wife’s money to the Raiders. Oh hell no, not that.
You look like Herman Munster. Do I even need to say it?
Your wife looks like Herman Munsters dog, on a bad hair day. Nope, certainly not that.
You live in squalor, in a run down area of Harbor Island, in a small house. That, too, would be a hell no.
Not seeing it, Kell. Maybe you could enlighten me as to even one thing anyone would envy?
One?
December 6th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!
>>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS, we know man. Palmer isn’t the future but that guy is the toughest player on the damn team man. that guy EARNS his paycheck. and I’m sure Pryor is the savior in your eyes but your nuthuggery is insane to me. let pryor play, i agree but not because he’s better than palmer. need to see if the raiders need to spend their 3rd overall pick on a QB or not. simple as that man.
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lol palmer worshipers have been spanked, flat out owned by palmers own ineptitude.
they are left with forgettable and unimaginative defenses like”
“you dont like whit qb’s”
Instead of talking plamer they attempt to bait a race discussion.
very weak diversionary tactic and untrue.
I have never made the above statements.
Nor did i say “pryor was the savior”
i do think he can be better than palmer though, hell could he be any worse than 7-15 with 35 turn overs?
December 6th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
I don’t know what is meant by the qb position never being the same.
Is this referring to athletic qb’s who can pass AND run?
Or are we talking something else?
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He’s talking about skin color.
There have been plenty of running QBs in history. None of them panned out.
Flutie, Tarkenton, Cunningham, and Steve Young were all great in their own right. But Young is the only one to win a SB and he did it from the pocket.
Mistic = Racist
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If we’re talking about athletic young QBs who can pass, which white guys should he be including? Maybe Luck. But Ponder and Locker suck!
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Who should he be including? It doesnt matter. He doesnt want to talk about white QBs.
I wouldnt call Luck a “Gunslinger” by any stretch. Yeah, hes got good feet, he’s not stiff. But he’s no RG3 either.
For for the sake of argument, Rogers is the guy that best fits the Elway/Farve mold. But we havent had a white Tarkenton type since Flutie to be honest.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Kansas City Chiefs: Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
The Chiefs have been playing better lately, but they are still terrible. They need to clean house and start over, as the awesome @saveourchiefs Twitter handle will tell you. They have to fire people in the front office, including Scott Pioli, who has done an awful job. They also need to find a franchise quarterback. Thanks to dumb turnovers, as seen all year, they’re currently projected to have the No. 1 overall selection, which means they’ll be in position to take Geno Smith.
This pick will be a quarterback, by the way. Smith, Barkley or maybe some other signal-caller will balloon to the top. It always happens. Remember in 2010 when ESPN was projecting either Da’Quan Bowers or Nick Fairley at No. 1 to Carolina? Well, Cam Newton raised his stock enough. The same thing will happen this spring.
Smith is now atop the mock again in the wake of Matt Barkley’s struggles. Barkley injured his shoulder against UCLA, so his chances of revitalizing his stock are slim.
By the way, I’m doing this live because I thought it’d be fun to get instant feedback. I’m going to post my mock anyway, so why not do it this way? Follow @walterfootball for updates.
Jacksonville Jaguars: Jarvis Jones, DE/OLB, Georgia
I’ve been mocking a quarterback to the Jaguars for the longest time because it’s been clear that Blaine Gabbert is a sunk cost. I argued that there was no way in hell Jacksonville could go into the 2013 season and sell its fans on Gabbert for another year.
However, two things have happened. First, Matt Barkley has completely fallen off and cannot be taken at No. 2 overall right now. And second, Chad Henne was brilliant in two starts prior to playing Buffalo. What the Jaguars can sell the fans on is Henne as a bridge to a young quarterback they take in Round 2. Thus, they’ll be free to snag someone as talented as Jarvis Jones.
Jones would be a huge boost to a defense that has missed strongside linebacker Daryl Smith all year. Smith is a free agent, so if he’s not re-signed, Jones would be a worthy replacement. He would function as Von Miller does in Denver, rushing the quarterback in obvious passing situations.
Oakland Raiders: Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah
Is there any doubt the Raiders need help at defensive tackle in the wake of Doug Martin’s near-record performance?
Tommy Kelly is a bum who doesn’t care about winning, as evidenced when he laughed after prolonging a San Diego drive with a pair of offside penalties. He’s played so sluggishly this year and was especially bad versus Tampa, so there’s no chance he’s going to see a penny of his $6.5 million salary in 2013. He’s as good as gone, and 15-year-old head coach Dennis Allen lost all respect in the locker room for not cutting him after the opener.
Philadelphia Eagles: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
Is there any doubt that the Eagles have to upgrade their offensive line? Their tackle position is in shambles. Jason Peters tore his Achilles; Demetress Bell has been a bust signing; while King Dunlap simply sucks. Even if Peters comes back close to 100 percent, an upgrade could be made at right tackle, which would allow Todd Herremans to move back to his natural guard position.
Luke Joeckel had a slow start to his 2012 campaign, but he’s improved tremendously, even stifling the LSU pass-rushers. He could easily go in the top four, right after a quarterback and some order of Jarvis Jones and Star Lotulelei.
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Walterfootball Mock.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Norv for OC?…just askin
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No, he’s no leader either.
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SHUT UP idiot. Since when does your OC need to be a “leader”.
Damn you say some stupid chit sometimes.
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I think all coaches need to be leaders, assistants included, to get NFL players to listen to you and follow you.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!
>>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS
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What a fkin COPOUT!!! If you don’t like his post, counter with an actual football take.
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Don’t ever tell us what to do.
Ever.
You understand me, boy?
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Hilarious! Tough guy burning up the keyboard I see. Well try this on for size. I’ll tell your schizo ass what to do anytime I want and you’ll just have to suck it and like it.
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That’s not telling me what to do.
That’s you pretending your sister will loan you her balls.
Now try it again, and come up with a definitive request.
for example: “Get on your knees and beg for forgiveness for hanging of Russell’s sac, even long after he became the #1 NFL bust of all time”.
Now you try.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Fingers Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Norv for OC?…just askin
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No, he’s no leader either.
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SHUT UP idiot. Since when does your OC need to be a “leader”.
Damn you say some stupid chit sometimes.
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I think all coaches need to be leaders, assistants included, to get NFL players to listen to you and follow you.
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That’s why Norv has how many SuperBowl rings as an assistant? Because as you say it, he’s not a leader?
Being a leader is not a requirement for a coordinator. No matter what you “think”.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Palmer is an awesome QB some of you are just to narrow minded to see it.
Tonight he is going to LIGHT IT UP!!!
Palmer will kick the Bronco’s ass tonight!
Be a fan jump on the bandwagon now!
December 6th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
i do think he can be better than palmer though, hell could he be any worse than 7-15 with 35 turn overs?
>>>>>
You have only said this 3000 times. I think we get it.
Do you also wander around the streets muttering the same thing over and over again?
You seem like a deranged lunatic here. Am I the first to point this out to you?
December 6th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!
>>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS, we know man. Palmer isn’t the future but that guy is the toughest player on the damn team man. that guy EARNS his paycheck. and I’m sure Pryor is the savior in your eyes but your nuthuggery is insane to me. let pryor play, i agree but not because he’s better than palmer. need to see if the raiders need to spend their 3rd overall pick on a QB or not. simple as that man.
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lol palmer worshipers have been spanked, flat out owned by palmers own ineptitude.
they are left with forgettable and unimaginative defenses like”
“you dont like whit qb’s”
Instead of talking plamer they attempt to bait a race discussion.
very weak diversionary tactic and untrue.
I have never made the above statements.
Nor did i say “pryor was the savior”
i do think he can be better than palmer though, hell could he be any worse than 7-15 with 35 turn overs?
>>> do you see the pounding that palmer takes every week? pryor will run away from it for a while but the ONLY logical reason to put Pryor in is that the season is over and the Raiders might want EVALUATE him in a real game or 4 to see if the want to draft a QB next year. chance are palmer will be here STARTING next year BUT we should at least see pryor play.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
1. Kansas City Chiefs (draft history) – Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
Neither Matt Cassel nor Brady Quinn is the answer at quarterback for the Chiefs. Going into Week 13, the Chiefs have thrown a league-low six touchdowns and a league-high 16 interceptions. If they have the first overall pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, a signal-caller will likely be the pick.
Through the first five games of the season, Smith played the quarterback position as well as it could possibly be played. Leading the Mountaineers to a 5-0 start, Smith threw for just shy of 400 yards per game, 24 touchdowns and no interceptions.
Since then, however, the Mountaineers have lost five of six games. During that stretch, Smith has averaged only 267 yards per game with 13 touchdowns and five interceptions.
Despite the recent struggles, Smith is clearly the top quarterback in this year’s draft class.
2. Jacksonville Jaguars (draft history) – Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
Perhaps adding Jason Babin off waivers from the Eagles will help the Jaguars generate a more consistent pass rush, but the team is currently tied with the Raiders for last in the league in sacks (13.0) through Week 12.
Arguably the best pass-rusher of this year’s draft class, Jones led the SEC and was tied for second in the nation in sacks (13.5) and had 19.5 tackles for loss in 2011 as a first-team All-American.
Although Jones has missed two games this season, he has 10.5 sacks in only 10 games played including a season-high three of them against the Gators on October 27th. In addition, Jones ranks sixth in the country with 19.5 tackles for loss.
3. Oakland Raiders (draft history) – Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
Drawing comparisons to Ravens stud defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, Lotulelei has the potential to be the top defensive tackle selected in April and a top-three pick. As a first-team All-Pac-12 selection in 2011, Lotulelei had a strong season this year as well even if the stats might not indicate that.
Adding a player with Lotulelei’s talent and upside should help the Raiders begin fixing some of their defensive woes. As noted with the Jaguars’ pick, the Raiders are tied for last in the league in sacks and have also allowed the second-most rushing touchdowns (15) this season.
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Beforeitwasnews Mock.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
A lot of that vetting happens in training camp, preseason and in practice. You don’t need to play someone to assess them if they aren’t showing the potential in those other areas. The staff already knows whether or not they need to look elsewhere for the future at QB. If they thought Pryor had a reasonable chance and wanted to further test that with live bullets, you’d think it wouldn’t take until the 12th game to suit up for the first time. You’d also think he’d get a little bit of PT in special packages to force the opposing defenses to study something e
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Normally I would agree with this post but the coaching staff this year seems to defy all logic. They abandon the running game when it works, dont correct ST errors, half time adjustments are none existent. They baffle the mind.
We will see Pryor at some point because Reg said we would.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
I don’t know what is meant by the qb position never being the same.
Is this referring to athletic qb’s who can pass AND run?
Or are we talking something else?
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He’s talking about skin color.
There have been plenty of running QBs in history. None of them panned out.
Flutie, Tarkenton, Cunningham, and Steve Young were all great in their own right. But Young is the only one to win a SB and he did it from the pocket.
Mistic = Racist
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If we’re talking about athletic young QBs who can pass, which white guys should he be including? Maybe Luck. But Ponder and Locker suck!
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Who should he be including? It doesnt matter. He doesnt want to talk about white QBs.
I wouldnt call Luck a “Gunslinger” by any stretch. Yeah, hes got good feet, he’s not stiff. But he’s no RG3 either.
For for the sake of argument, Rogers is the guy that best fits the Elway/Farve mold. But we havent had a white Tarkenton type since Flutie to be honest.
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And I really don’t give a schtt about rings. Tarkenton and Cunningham were absolute stud QBs. Not winning the SB doesn’t diminish either one of them IMO. It takes a damn good team and a lot of luck to win it all. Just ask Peyton Manning. He’s been the best QB in football for weel oer a decade and and only has one ring to show for it. Rings are overrated.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Being a leader is not a requirement for a coordinator. No matter what you “think”.
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Well we disagree don’t we?
December 6th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Sully and Mistic are BOTH here? The chances of intelligent conversations is now BELOW 0%.
See ya at game time… poof!
December 6th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
See how this place is.
lest recap
I said newton and rgIII were the wave of the future and would change football forever when they got to the nfl.
I said this before the Heisman hype and i was told by 99.9% of this board that they would never play in the nfl. they were athletes playing qb, they couldt read defense they are spread system guys and so on.
I guess we know who was right on that
Now that they are here making a mockery of the so called qb protottype and antiquated thinking people want to try and deny the fact that they are bringing nothing new tot he table.
YOU CANT STAND TO GIVE THE BROTHAS CREDIT FOR CHANGING THE NFL!!!
Never in history has a qb stood 6′5 and 250 pounds that throws and runs A 4.4 like newton. No one haS ever done what he did last year. Its documented history.
never in the history of the nfl has qb come in with the smarts like rgIII complimented by 4.3 speed and a rocket arm that is so deadly accurate.
These have never been seen in the nfl
THEY HAVE CHANGED THE QB POSITION FOREVER AND NO ONE THAT CAME BEFORE CAN CLAIM THEIR LEGACY
December 6th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Gdog Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
i do think he can be better than palmer though, hell could he be any worse than 7-15 with 35 turn overs?
>>>>>
You have only said this 3000 times. I think we get it.
Do you also wander around the streets muttering the same thing over and over again?
You seem like a deranged lunatic here. Am I the first to point this out to you?
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You are far from the first to point it out to him.
He loves it. It’s his troll routine.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
YOU CANT STAND TO GIVE THE BROTHAS CREDIT FOR CHANGING THE NFL!!!
>> exaclty that all you’re about “brutha” keep your racist biased ass out of my posts
December 6th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Palmer is an awesome QB some of you are just to narrow minded to see it.
Tonight he is going to LIGHT IT UP!!!
Palmer will kick the Bronco’s ass tonight!
Be a fan jump on the bandwagon now!
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Be a fan or be delusional?? I’ll just have to assume then that you dropped $1k on the money line tonight, right?
December 6th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Last Update- November 29th
#1) Kansas City Chiefs- Geno Smith (QB West Virginia)
Kansas City picked a bad year to be the worst team in football, and they really are put in a tough spot here. The Chiefs need a Quarterback in the worst way. Under no circumstances can they possibly endure another season of Matt Cassel, or worse, Brady Quinn. However, unlike last year, the 2013 draft doesn’t have a QB prospect anywhere near the caliber of an Andrew Luck, or RG3. They will be left with two options, select between Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, and Tyler Wilson, or roll out the Brinks truck for Joe Flacco if he becomes available. At this point, the chances of Flacco ending up in K.C are slim, so we see them rolling the dice with one of these QB prospects. None of them really inspire high levels of confidence, but at this point, Geno Smith is the guy with the most upside. Whoever the GM of the Chiefs is next year, will have an extremely difficult decision on their hands.
#2) Jacksonville Jaguars- Jarvis Jones (OLB Georgia)
This situation would be almost identical to the Broncos draft in 2011. They could have gone any number of directions, but decided to go with who they considered to be the top Defensive playmaker, and went with Von Miller. Another similarity is that Von Miller, like Jarvis Jones, was thought (Us included) to be a 3-4 OLB exclusively. However, Denver knocked that pick out of the park, and Von Miller is a huge reason why the Broncos are where they are now. Jarvis Jones is just a phenomenal athlete, and while he may be best suited for a 3-4 Edge spot, like he’s currently playing in, there’s no reason this athlete can’t do the same thing Von Miller did. He’s got the size and strength to play the run, and if used correctly, Jones could be a dominant Defensive Player quickly for the Jaguars.
#3) Carolina Panthers- Star Lotulelei (DT Utah)
“Superman” has crash landed hard in Carolina this year, as Cam Newton and the Panthers are looking dreadful, and destined for a top 5 pick in the 2013 NFL Draft. We don’t believe in Newton, and never have, but they’ll be forced to roll with him and load up the roster, in hopes of a big year three for Cam. In this position, the Panthers should select whoever they deem to be the best overall player available, whether on offense, or defense. In all likelihood be a defensive player, and in this scenario, it’s definitely Star Lotulelei. Conjuring up thoughts of Suh, and Ngata, Lotulelei is the type of elite level Defensive Tackle that can make a huge impact right off the bat. His presence will make the entire defense better, improving them against the run and pass, but whether the Panthers succeed or not, depends 100% on Cam Newton.
#4) Cleveland Browns- Barkevious Mingo (DE LSU)
This year’s 2013 NFL Draft is one of the weaker ones in recent memory, which will force NFL GM’s and scouts to really do their homework, to find the gems in this year’s draft. Cleveland’s ideal scenario for their new regime, would be if there was an elite quarterback prospect to replace Brandon Weeden, but as mentioned, this year’s draft doesn’t really contain that. Moving on, the Browns will likely turn their attention to the defensive side of the ball. On which, Cleveland is lacking a pass rush in the worst way. Barkevious Mingo isn’t your elite Mario Williams, Von Miller type pass rushing prospect, but he’s the best pass rusher this class has to offer. Mingo is extremely athletic, with a great blend of strength and quickness, and has proven to be very productive in the SEC. If they don’t go with a pass rusher, Manti Te’o and Star Lotulelei will garner consideration.
#5) New York Jets- Manti Te’o (LB Notre Dame)
Next year, Rex Ryan will be coaching for his job, and will be looking to select whichever player he feels can make the most immediate impact. Te’o is the perfect player for the Jets, because not only can he make an immediate impact on the field with his play, but his leadership and character in the locker room is something the Jets are sorely lacking. They need to infuse energy to the team with a guy like Te’o, who can motivate his teammates to play up to their abilities, and hold people accountable, something they currently don’t have. Te’o is the type of rare player who can make his teammates better, quarterback the defense immediately as a rookie, and bring some tenacity, and physicality. All this besides the fact that David Harris is regressing, and Bart Scott is aging.
#6) Oakland Raiders- Bjoern Werner (DE Florida State)
Like Jacksonville and Cleveland mentioned above, the Raiders are another team which has absolutely no pass rush. Oakland ranks dead last in the league with only 13 total sacks this season, and it’s no wonder when you look at who they have at DE. Lamarr Houston is a Defensive Tackle really, and Matt Shaughnessy is just a rotational player at best. We normally don’t recommend doing this, but since there aren’t many “Elite” prospects in this years draft, they can afford to go for “Need” here. For some reason, Bjoern Werner flies under the radar, but has been a dominant player this year, and has all the makings of a top notch pass rusher at the next level. Werner is a powerful defensive end who plays great against the run, while also possessing the quickness and athleticism to be an excellent edge rusher.
#7) Philadelphia Eagles- Luke Joeckel (OT Texas A&M)
It’s been discussed ad nauseam as to why the Eagles have been the mess they’ve been the past two years. One of their biggest reasons you can point to has been the sieve of an offensive line they’ve had. Pro-Bowl left tackle Jason Peters ruptured his Achilles, then they picked up Demetress Bell, but he’s been a complete flop. They need somebody to solidify the position. Why not bring in the consensus best tackle in the draft? Joeckel has started at LT since day one at A&M, and against SEC pass rushers he’s more than held up. Joeckel can come in right away and play RT, and if Jason Peters comes back healthy, the Eagles will have a couple of great bookend offensive tackles.
#8) St Louis Rams- Taylor Lewan (OT Michigan)
Luke Joeckel is the top rated offensive tackle in the draft, but Taylor Lewan is a very close 2nd. Often lost in the discussion, Lewan is an outstanding prospect who possesses the elite athleticism needed to be a high level player at the position. Add in his massive frame (6′7″) and there is no wonder why he is a top 10 selection. With St. Louis having two 1st round picks, they have a great shot at getting two impact players to help them reach the next level. By taking Lewan, it gives them a franchise LT, and allows them to move Roger Saffold to either guard or RT. Sam Bradford will be doing cartwheels if they get Lewan, as he’s been running for his life ever since he’s been in St Louis.
#9) San Diego Chargers- Johnathan Hankins (DT Ohio State)
As uncertain as Jared Gaither is looking, OT is looking like a priority for the Chargers, but unfortunately for them, they just miss out on the draft’s top two offensive tackles in Joeckel, and Lewan. With neither of the two elite prospects available, they will likely just move on to taking the best player available on defense. Here it would be a tough call between Hankins, and Alabama Corner Demarcus Milliner. Hankins is the more likely pick because of how rare it is to find a true 3-4 nose tackle these days, and it’s a little easier to find cornerbacks. Johnathan Hankins is a dominant, game-changing defensive tackle, with an elite blend of power and quickness, allowing him to eat up space, and effectively collapse the pocket.
#10) Tennessee Titans- Chance Warmack (Guard Alabama)
Guards aren’t taken in the first round very often, let alone the top 10. David DeCastro went 24 last year, and Mike Iupati went 16 a couple of years ago, which were the two highest guards in recent memory. Neither of them though, are the caliber of Chance Warmack. Warmack might be the top lineman in the draft, but he won’t get drafted that high because the guard position isn’t valued as much as a left tackle. Tennessee has one of the worst interior offensive lines in the league, and has for some time, which has really hurt their running game, and in turn, their entire offense. Getting Warmack, makes the entire line better, and will enable the Titans to run the ball more effectively, and also make the play-action threat much stronger.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
I have a feeling that the Raiders will put up a fight against the donkies tonight, I believe they’ll be fired up and give Junior some emotional support for his father’s loss, similar to what the team did in Houston after Mr. Davis death, and what the chefs did last Sunday. I’m getting +11 points I’m putting the rent money on the Raiders tonight. Can you believe the Raiders would ever be an 11 point homedog ? Un-be-lie-vable! Bill Walton would say.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
3. Oakland Raiders (draft history) – Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
Drawing comparisons to Ravens stud defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, Lotulelei has the potential to be the top defensive tackle selected in April and a top-three pick. As a first-team All-Pac-12 selection in 2011, Lotulelei had a strong season this year as well even if the stats might not indicate that.
Adding a player with Lotulelei’s talent and upside should help the Raiders begin fixing some of their defensive woes. As noted with the Jaguars’ pick, the Raiders are tied for last in the league in sacks and have also allowed the second-most rushing touchdowns (15) this season.
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>> Star was my original pick for OAK. and that would be a great pick, but i think they can compete NEXT YEAR in the AFC west if the can fix their OLINE, then draft for D later. but hey, if they take star we have a 10 year BEAST in the middle of the DLINE. can’t be mad
December 6th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
zopi Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
I have a feeling that the Raiders will put up a fight against the donkies tonight, I believe they’ll be fired up and give Junior some emotional support for his father’s loss, similar to what the team did in Houston after Mr. Davis death, and what the chefs did last Sunday. I’m getting +11 points I’m putting the rent money on the Raiders tonight. Can you believe the Raiders would ever be an 11 point homedog ? Un-be-lie-vable! Bill Walton would say.
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I think they’ll cover too. Will probably put a hundo on it.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
I don’t know what is meant by the qb position never being the same.
Is this referring to athletic qb’s who can pass AND run?
Or are we talking something else?
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He’s talking about skin color.
There have been plenty of running QBs in history. None of them panned out.
Flutie, Tarkenton, Cunningham, and Steve Young were all great in their own right. But Young is the only one to win a SB and he did it from the pocket.
Mistic = Racist
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If we’re talking about athletic young QBs who can pass, which white guys should he be including? Maybe Luck. But Ponder and Locker suck!
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Who should he be including? It doesnt matter. He doesnt want to talk about white QBs.
I wouldnt call Luck a “Gunslinger” by any stretch. Yeah, hes got good feet, he’s not stiff. But he’s no RG3 either.
For for the sake of argument, Rogers is the guy that best fits the Elway/Farve mold. But we havent had a white Tarkenton type since Flutie to be honest.
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And I really don’t give a schtt about rings. Tarkenton and Cunningham were absolute stud QBs. Not winning the SB doesn’t diminish either one of them IMO. It takes a damn good team and a lot of luck to win it all. Just ask Peyton Manning. He’s been the best QB in football for weel oer a decade and and only has one ring to show for it. Rings are overrated.
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Youre right, rings are team awards, not individual awards.
But as far as coaches and GMs are concerned, they are trying to survive their jobs. They are going to go with was is the most conservative and likely approach, even if it isnt the best. And they simply look at these facts and go with it….
Pocket QB: countless SB’s
Gunslinger: Elway, Farve, Rogers, etc etc etc
21s Century Mobile QB: Tark, Flutie, Cunningham, Kordell, Vick, etc etc etc ZERO rings and usually coach killers.
Football has been around a long time. If there is a better way to do something, coaches and GMs are going to do it. So far, after 50 years of football, the mobile thing still hasnt panned out at the highest level.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
zopi Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
I have a feeling that the Raiders will put up a fight against the donkies tonight, I believe they’ll be fired up and give Junior some emotional support for his father’s loss, similar to what the team did in Houston after Mr. Davis death, and what the chefs did last Sunday. I’m getting +11 points I’m putting the rent money on the Raiders tonight. Can you believe the Raiders would ever be an 11 point homedog ? Un-be-lie-vable! Bill Walton would say.
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I think they’ll cover too. Will probably put a hundo on it.
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Home underdogs are usually a sure bet.
But the Raiders have a way of bucking those sorts of trends. ie: the Browns game.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
zopi Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
I have a feeling that the Raiders will put up a fight against the donkies tonight, I believe they’ll be fired up and give Junior some emotional support for his father’s loss, similar to what the team did in Houston after Mr. Davis death, and what the chefs did last Sunday. I’m getting +11 points I’m putting the rent money on the Raiders tonight. Can you believe the Raiders would ever be an 11 point homedog ? Un-be-lie-vable! Bill Walton would say.
>> I hope they fight and make a game of it.but OAK is over matched here, so shame in losing to the 2nd or 3rd greatest QB of all time depending on your view.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
YOU CANT STAND TO GIVE THE BROTHAS CREDIT FOR CHANGING THE NFL!!!
>> exaclty that all you’re about “brutha” keep your racist biased ass out of my posts
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OK JHill, there is your proof of Mistic’s agenda. Case closed.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
I just don’t expect the Raiders to ever give Pryor a start or any significant playing time. That’s the real shame of the 2012 Raiders. I hope they prove me wrong, but I have very little faith in the ZarMac and or Junior.
December 6th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
995.Silverandblack666 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
“We could still trade down and pick up EJ Manuel in the mid 1st but his last game kind of soured me. We’ll see how he does in bowl game and Senior Bowl.”
Did you not just watch Solomon Wilcox on NFLN saying the one good thing the Raiders have and will build around is Carson Palmer!
We will not be drafting a QB for a while this years class sucks anyway
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Nah, I’m working. Post when I can. Sometimes more than others.
I’m a CP fan. This is taken a bit out of context. I had originally though Reggie would go QB in this draft to put his stamp on his first year drafting with his scouts, etc.
But because the D is so bad, I think we go DE, maybe DT.
Just a bit of devil’s advocate.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
I took the 10.5 points but I am also a fan who wants to win every game no matter how horrible we have been playing
December 6th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Raiders need to address the Offensive Line in the 1st round. Any Right Tackle prospects?
December 6th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
imagine if the class of 99 had coaches that had the foresight to what we are seeing in the nfl today.
The class of 99 had to go over board staying in the pocket just so they could shake the “athlete playing qb”
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air mcnair, macnabb, culpepper , micheal bishop all could have been much better if the nfl was ready for them.
sadly it wasnt, the nfl was still stuck in the world where running was discouraged, and used as a part of the game plan to keep teams off balance.
The nfl is behind the times and finally we are seeing what happens when you let the best players play the positions they were born to play
December 6th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
zopi Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
I have a feeling that the Raiders will put up a fight against the donkies tonight, I believe they’ll be fired up and give Junior some emotional support for his father’s loss, similar to what the team did in Houston after Mr. Davis death, and what the chefs did last Sunday. I’m getting +11 points I’m putting the rent money on the Raiders tonight. Can you believe the Raiders would ever be an 11 point homedog ? Un-be-lie-vable! Bill Walton would say.
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I think they’ll cover too. Will probably put a hundo on it.
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Home underdogs are usually a sure bet.
But the Raiders have a way of bucking those sorts of trends. ie: the Browns game.
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For sure. Hoping for an Atlanta-type performance.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Raiders need to address the Offensive Line in the 1st round. Any Right Tackle prospects?
>. how about a center? move wiz back to LG. RT is the other need though
December 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
If we go for anything other than Defense with our first 3 picks, I will be surprised. Good OL can be found in the 4th rd.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Mistic is good at what he does, gets you guys every time. LOL.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
“Just a bit of devil’s advocate.”
I can dig that!
December 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
YOU CANT STAND TO GIVE THE BROTHAS CREDIT FOR CHANGING THE NFL!!!
>> exaclty that all you’re about “brutha” keep your racist biased ass out of my posts
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I am all about calling out those that want to deny newton and rgIII the credit for changing pro football
December 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
MR, we’ll skip the race thing cause it’s ridiculous.
Just off of performance, no, TP has not warranted seeing game action. Then again neither has Criner or Crawford or Bergstrom, but they’ve got some PT anyway.
Cause management wants to see what they got in the unproven youngsters.
TP no different. It’s why Reggie said he wants to get a look at him and didn’t mention Lienart. It’s because we already know what Lienart brings to the table.
In this kind of season, you got to make the most of it. Instead of trotting out the same guys who have put us in the 3-9 hole we’re in, let’s see how the young guns look under the lights.
IMO, there is no better time.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
air mcnair, macnabb, culpepper , micheal bishop all could have been much better if the nfl was ready for them.
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All of those guys declined fast when they could no longer escape like they used to. Running Qb’s just don’t last in the NFL. They’re great while they’re still athletic, but that instinct to run ruins them when they get older.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
If we go for anything other than Defense with our first 3 picks, I will be surprised. Good OL can be found in the 4th rd.
>> think so man? its all a matter if opinion i guess. IF they go defense it better be a DT/DE and not that MLB everybody likes. HAVE to build the lines first. watch RM take a corner
December 6th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Raiders need to address the Offensive Line in the 1st round. Any Right Tackle prospects?
>. how about a center? move wiz back to LG. RT is the other need though
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Wiz should definetly play guard again, but maybe with the 3rd round, not 1st.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
imagine if the class of 99 had coaches that had the foresight to what we are seeing in the nfl today.
The class of 99 had to go over board staying in the pocket just so they could shake the “athlete playing qb”
tag
air mcnair, macnabb, culpepper , micheal bishop all could have been much better if the nfl was ready for them.
sadly it wasnt, the nfl was still stuck in the world where running was discouraged, and used as a part of the game plan to keep teams off balance.
The nfl is behind the times and finally we are seeing what happens when you let the best players play the positions they were born to play
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Bishop was a pure badass! Kicked McNabb’s ass in the Fiesta Bowl. At the very least I’d of liked to see him get the Tebow treatment. With his gun, I bet he could have had real success.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
I for one want to see T.P. play vs a real D and not being down by 30. I want him to play in a tight game so that we can see what he can do. IM ALSO TIRED OF MISTIC AND HIS FUCN WAVE OF THE FUTURE Q.BS. NONE OF THOSE PLAYERS PLAY FOR THE FUCN RAIDERS SO FUC EM ALL EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM, REGARDLESS IF THERE WHITE LIKE A.LUCK, BLACK LIKE RG3, OR BROWN LIKE ROMO. ALL I CARE ABOUT IS THE RAIDERS SO FUC THE REST. RAIDERS ALL DAY EVERYDAY, BIATCHES…
December 6th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
air mcnair, macnabb, culpepper , micheal bishop all could have been much better if the nfl was ready for them.
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All of those guys declined fast when they could no longer escape like they used to. Running Qb’s just don’t last in the NFL. They’re great while they’re still athletic, but that instinct to run ruins them when they get older.
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Wrong. The years of experience allow them to settle in nicely as pocket QBs. Just ask Young, Cunningham, Vick and Gannon.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
If we go for anything other than Defense with our first 3 picks, I will be surprised. Good OL can be found in the 4th rd.
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What late round picks have ever really developed. If anything late round Defenders are better because they rotate in and out. But O-Line needs to be in at all snaps.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
If we go for anything other than Defense with our first 3 picks, I will be surprised. Good OL can be found in the 4th rd.
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Yep. Especially ZBS o-lineman.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
please stop trying to associate young flutie elway and tarkenton with
guys like vick and cunningham.
Vick and Cunningham are so much more gifted with speed and quickness this comparison is beyond laughable.
It is no fault of their own they didnt play with much super bowel talent or coaching.
what is happening is people are trying to divide the qb along racial lines, and they desperately want to find a white qb that can do what newton and rgIII have done.
Im not sure why this is so important to them but i have an idea.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
3. Oakland Raiders (draft history) – Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
Drawing comparisons to Ravens stud defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, Lotulelei has the potential to be the top defensive tackle selected in April and a top-three pick. As a first-team All-Pac-12 selection in 2011, Lotulelei had a strong season this year as well even if the stats might not indicate that.
Adding a player with Lotulelei’s talent and upside should help the Raiders begin fixing some of their defensive woes. As noted with the Jaguars’ pick, the Raiders are tied for last in the league in sacks and have also allowed the second-most rushing touchdowns (15) this season.
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>> Star was my original pick for OAK. and that would be a great pick,
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I like this pick too.
I just don’t think McKenzie thinks DT is the issue. I think he would draft that edge rusher if he went Dline.
BPA theory might actually be OL for us though. Can’t even see Star being there when we pick.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
air mcnair, macnabb, culpepper , micheal bishop all could have been much better if the nfl was ready for them.
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All of those guys declined fast when they could no longer escape like they used to. Running Qb’s just don’t last in the NFL. They’re great while they’re still athletic, but that instinct to run ruins them when they get older.
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Wrong. The years of experience allow them to settle in nicely as pocket QBs. Just ask Young, Cunningham, Vick and Gannon.
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Was putting VIck in there a Joke? The rest were all throw 1st guys who could run. But their first instinct is throw it.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
There’s no way Gruden goes to SanDiego.
That organization is way too cheap to hire him.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
air mcnair, macnabb, culpepper , micheal bishop all could have been much better if the nfl was ready for them.
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All of those guys declined fast when they could no longer escape like they used to. Running Qb’s just don’t last in the NFL. They’re great while they’re still athletic, but that instinct to run ruins them when they get older.
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Wrong. The years of experience allow them to settle in nicely as pocket QBs. Just ask Young, Cunningham, Vick and Gannon.
>> Vick can’t stay on the field, young almost had his brain dislodged and gannon wasn’t a run first QB. maybe cunningham was THE exception IDK
December 6th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Any of you Goobers every beer bong a margarita then instantly pitch a tent?
Just happened to the Beeech Dawg, although the 6′2″ nubian stripper slobbin’ my nob didn’t hurt
Shout out to Jay Z, word
December 6th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
air mcnair, macnabb, culpepper , micheal bishop all could have been much better if the nfl was ready for them.
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All of those guys declined fast when they could no longer escape like they used to. Running Qb’s just don’t last in the NFL. They’re great while they’re still athletic, but that instinct to run ruins them when they get older.
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Wrong. The years of experience allow them to settle in nicely as pocket QBs. Just ask Young, Cunningham, Vick and Gannon.
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Was putting VIck in there a Joke? The rest were all throw 1st guys who could run. But their first instinct is throw it.
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It had to have been a joke.
Plus, the other guys werent at their best until they learned to play in the pocket.
Thus, pocket QBs are more effective.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
If we go for anything other than Defense with our first 3 picks, I will be surprised. Good OL can be found in the 4th rd.
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Yep. Especially ZBS o-lineman.
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Need to $h!t can that ZBS. Our two best lineman struggle with it.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 5, 2012
2013 NFL Three Round Mock Draft 1.0
1. Kansas City Chiefs: Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
2. Jacksonville Jaguars: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
3. Oakland Raiders: Manti Te’o, LB, Notre Dame
4. Carolina Panthers: Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
5. Arizona Cardinals: Matt Barkely, QB, USC
6. Philadelphia Eagles: Luke Joekel, OT, Texas A&M
7. Tennessee Titans: DeMarcus Milliner, CB, Alabama
8. Cleveland Browns: Damontre Moore, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
9. St. Louis Rams: Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
10. Detroit Lions: Bjoern Werner, DE/OLB, Florida State
11. New York Jets: Barkevious Mingo, DE/OLB, LSU
12. Miami Dolphins: Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
13. San Diego Chargers: Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
14. Buffalo Bills: Xavior Rhodes, CB, Florida State
15. Minnesota Vikings: Keenan Allen, WR, California
16. Dallas Cowboys: Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
17. New Orleans Saints: Sam Montgomery, DE/OLB, LSU
18. St. Louis Rams: Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor
19. Cincinnati Bengals: Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
21. Indianapolis Colts: Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
22. Seattle Seahawks: Robert Woods, WR, USC
23. Baltimore Ravens: Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
24. Green Bay Packers: Tyler Eiffert, TE, Notre Dame
25. New England Patriots: Johnathon Jenkins, DT, Georgia
26. San Francisco 49ers: Kenny Vacarro, S, Texas
27. Pittsburgh Steelers: C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama
28. New York Giants: Chance Warmack, G, Alabama
29. Atlanta Falcons: Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU
30. Houston Texans: DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
31. Chicago Bears: Jonathon Cooper, G/C, North Carolina
32. Denver Broncos: Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
December 6th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
AP_NFL @AP_NFL 19s
Steelers’ QB Ben Rroethlisberger to wear special protection in return vs Chargers: http://apne.ws/YGq3yp (@willgravesAP) #NFL
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He’s planning to rape one of the Chargers?
December 6th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
AP_NFL @AP_NFL 19s
Steelers’ QB Ben Rroethlisberger to wear special protection in return vs Chargers: http://apne.ws/YGq3yp (@willgravesAP) #NFL
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He’s planning to rape one of the Chargers?
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LOL, i bet the special protection is a stocking pulled down over his face
December 6th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
No way the Raiders cover for the rest of the season.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
air mcnair, macnabb, culpepper , micheal bishop all could have been much better if the nfl was ready for them.
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All of those guys declined fast when they could no longer escape like they used to. Running Qb’s just don’t last in the NFL. They’re great while they’re still athletic, but that instinct to run ruins them when they get older.
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Wrong. The years of experience allow them to settle in nicely as pocket QBs. Just ask Young, Cunningham, Vick and Gannon.
>> Vick can’t stay on the field, young almost had his brain dislodged and gannon wasn’t a run first QB. maybe cunningham was THE exception IDK
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You obviously didn’t follow Gannon in Minnesota. I did. Remember, New England drafted him and tried to make him a DB. And Vick was awesome in Philly. No QB in the history of the game could have held up behind that line this season. Vick is the most underappreciated QB in the league and it isn’t even close.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
If any team, the Raiders or otherwise, take a D-line player before Star is drafted, they will come to regret it. Not making any predictions about where he goes whatsoever. But I am gonna say that he will be playing REALLY dynamite football for somebody for a good little minute or two.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Romo is brown?!?
December 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
lol….gameday and cork and jerry havent put up anything new? what do they get paid for?
December 6th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
lol….gameday and cork and jerry havent put up anything new? what do they get paid for?
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Hall monitoring the Comments section?
December 6th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
I posted a bunch of Mocks have a lil fun with that.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Sure Cam and RG3 are good QB’s coming out of college and showing early signs of success but that’s a product of many things including how many colleges play a pro style offense now days, all athletes in all sports are bigger faster stronger etc.
But to say they are changing the game or “Revolutionizing” the game is just a misuse of the word maybe you should buy a dictionary or something.
When the 2 leagues merged that “revolutionized” the or in 1906 when the first forward pass was legal or they had to start using helmets because 18 players died of head injuries. Those are things that “Revolutionized the game not a QB that is faster than his predecessor that’s just the simple evolution of sport.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
air mcnair, macnabb, culpepper , micheal bishop all could have been much better if the nfl was ready for them.
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All of those guys declined fast when they could no longer escape like they used to. Running Qb’s just don’t last in the NFL. They’re great while they’re still athletic, but that instinct to run ruins them when they get older.
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Wrong. The years of experience allow them to settle in nicely as pocket QBs. Just ask Young, Cunningham, Vick and Gannon.
>> Vick can’t stay on the field, young almost had his brain dislodged and gannon wasn’t a run first QB. maybe cunningham was THE exception IDK
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You obviously didn’t follow Gannon in Minnesota. I did. Remember, New England drafted him and tried to make him a DB. And Vick was awesome in Philly. No QB in the history of the game could have held up behind that line this season. Vick is the most underappreciated QB in the league and it isn’t even close.
>> and Gannon won in Minnesota?NO Vick was a crap QB until he started THROWING from the pocket you know READING a defense. Vick would be elite IMO if he could stay on the field. and you never know where Vick could end up next year.wink wink.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
air mcnair, macnabb, culpepper , micheal bishop all could have been much better if the nfl was ready for them.
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All of those guys declined fast when they could no longer escape like they used to. Running Qb’s just don’t last in the NFL. They’re great while they’re still athletic, but that instinct to run ruins them when they get older.
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actually they didnt decline any faster than their non mobile counter parts.
They played into their mid and late 30’s just like hundreds of other qbs.
for the record qbs get hurt in the pocket more than outtside of the pocket, both mobile and non mobile.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Anyone listening to 95.7 the game right now? I would tell u waht they said but I dont want the DA lovers and GRUDEN haters to get mad
December 6th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
When a QB is more reliant on their legs than passing, they don’t last very long. You could see it in McNabb, Cullpepper and Vick, they tried to escape like they used to and by time but couldn’t.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Sure Cam and RG3 are good QB’s coming out of college and showing early signs of success but that’s a product of many things including how many colleges play a pro style offense now days, all athletes in all sports are bigger faster stronger etc.
But to say they are changing the game or “Revolutionizing” the game is just a misuse of the word maybe you should buy a dictionary or something.
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come out from under the rock folks it isnt just me that says they have changed the qb position forever.
try jerrry jones, john madden john gruden solomon wilcots troy aikman and so on.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Sure Cam and RG3 are good QB’s coming out of college and showing early signs of success but that’s a product of many things including how many colleges play a pro style offense now days, all athletes in all sports are bigger faster stronger etc.
But to say they are changing the game or “Revolutionizing” the game is just a misuse of the word maybe you should buy a dictionary or something.
When the 2 leagues merged that “revolutionized” the or in 1906 when the first forward pass was legal or they had to start using helmets because 18 players died of head injuries. Those are things that “Revolutionized the game not a QB that is faster than his predecessor that’s just the simple evolution of sport.
>> common sense and history aren’t welcomed into this type of discussion. people throw words around and don’t even know what they mean. like that candy bar was “amazing”!! LOL really skydiving is amazing, a fuking candy bar? people don’t know how to use the english language anymore. ignorance abounds
December 6th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
I want to see if coach Allen can coach tonight and the next few games. I would imagine that is what he is there for and why Reggie would keep him. I want to see what others see in him that I overlooked. It starts tonight!
December 6th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
actually they didnt decline any faster than their non mobile counter parts.
They played into their mid and late 30’s just like hundreds of other qbs.
for the record qbs get hurt in the pocket more than outtside of the pocket, both mobile and non mobile.
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I’m not refering to them getting hurt, just that when they get older they can’t do the same things they did when they dominated the league.
Sure they played for a relativly normal career, but were only really great Qb’s for about 5-6 years.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
When a QB is more reliant on their legs than passing, they don’t last very long. You could see it in McNabb, Cullpepper and Vick, they tried to escape like they used to and by time but couldn’t.
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culpper and mcnabb were never “more reliant on their feet”
people only say that about them to disparage their passing games
word play tricknology employed by the media and feasted on by the mostly white nfl fan base
December 6th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Anyone listening to 95.7 the game right now? I would tell u waht they said but I dont want the DA lovers and GRUDEN haters to get mad
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I was listening this morning, and they were saying the Oakland/Gruden rumor is ridiculous.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Vick and Cunningham are so much more gifted with speed and quickness this comparison is beyond laughable.
It is no fault of their own they didnt play with much super bowel talent or coaching.
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Lol. So the supporting cast makes a difference now? Is this Mistic ‘all that matters is win/loss record and rings’ or a troll take over again?
December 6th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
He’s planning to rape one of the Chargers?
All of them!
December 6th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
This race BS is getting old. Blog was doing pretty well today until hate showed up.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
actually they didnt decline any faster than their non mobile counter parts.
They played into their mid and late 30’s just like hundreds of other qbs.
for the record qbs get hurt in the pocket more than outtside of the pocket, both mobile and non mobile.
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I’m not refering to them getting hurt, just that when they get older they can’t do the same things they did when they dominated the league.
Sure they played for a relativly normal career, but were only really great Qb’s for about 5-6 years.
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most nfl qbs have a peak of about 3-4 years, mobile and non mobile alike
only the truly great qbs with everything in place around them including competent coaching good organizations and talented teammates can sustain a peak level performance for years beyond that.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Anyone listening to 95.7 the game right now? I would tell u waht they said but I dont want the DA lovers and GRUDEN haters to get mad
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Let it roll man…..I’m curious
December 6th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
HUB ARKUSH responded to that PR email for the raiders. He wasnt on the email list but 95.7 the game producer sent it to him. He responded.
Arkush has 31 years in the business. Arkush responed and said his sources are impeccable. Gruden/ Raiders have talked about him coming aboard. Said he never knew Allen was dealing with his father. Said by the time he found out the story already had been leaked.
BUCHER said his sources at espn told him again last night they they have talked.. its been in the pre stages for a few weeks.
Ric bucher called out the local raider writers for being mad at him. He said dont be mad at him for having his sources and reporting on whats has happened.
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Just telling u what they said. U wont know more till after season tho
December 6th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
maybe RM will float McAnkle for vick
December 6th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
The wave of the future
The NFL is becoming more and more of a passing game. The rule changes are more and more favorable to allowing the receivers to run free. The “protection” rules are hamstringing the pass rush, giving QBs more time in the pocket for complex routes to develop.
These changes signal the opportunity for a new breed of possession WRs. They are small, shifty, not necessarily fast but quick, have consistent hands, and they use their heads as much as their feet to identify and find the soft spots in the zones.
We’re seeing some of the early examples of these WR types in offenses that are designed around their abilities, getting away from the traditional systems built around physical mismatches. Guys like Welker, Edelmann, Amendola are showing that in such systems that can routinely rack up double digit catches and be effective chain movers.
Some teams are not seeing the future yet and sticking with antiquated systems. The Cowboys cut Danny Coale, their 5th round pick this year, who has all the makings for playing in this mold. Some said he should be changed to punter in the NFL. Scotty McKnight was drafted and then waived by the same team that didn’t see Welker’s real value, the Jets. This despite him leading Colorado in career receptions. Pure ignorance on the parts of these teams that are holding back the wave of the future in WR!
Other teams, like the Bengals with Ryan Whalen, are just starting to see the potential. You’ll see more of Whalen for sure, as he starts to steal attention from AJ Green in coverage.
The Raiders, had they not been blind to the future, had the chance to work with Nick Miller. But they, like the Rams that picked him up afterwards, were too stuck in the current, limited thinking. They tried to channel his athleticism into the role of kick returner instead of recognizing his true strengths. As the league continues to stereotype and bucket players based into the past fits, they are missing these opportunites to be part of the wave of the future.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
culpper and mcnabb were never “more reliant on their feet”
people only say that about them to disparage their passing games
word play tricknology employed by the media and feasted on by the mostly white nfl fan base
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I think they were. They took off running a lot. Big Ben is a better example of a Running QB who uses his mobility to throw
December 6th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
95.7 the game early morning djs dont have the sources Bucher has built up working around the country and at espn.
Bucher said ARKUSH has been around forever and wouldnt ruin his reputation for a meanlingless story. ARKUSH said he stands by the story and he is sorry, but he didnt know Allen was going through that.
Chris townsend taht pr email reaked of the old regime.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
HUB ARKUSH responded to that PR email for the raiders. He wasnt on the email list but 95.7 the game producer sent it to him. He responded.
Arkush has 31 years in the business. Arkush responed and said his sources are impeccable. Gruden/ Raiders have talked about him coming aboard. Said he never knew Allen was dealing with his father. Said by the time he found out the story already had been leaked.
BUCHER said his sources at espn told him again last night they they have talked.. its been in the pre stages for a few weeks.
Ric bucher called out the local raider writers for being mad at him. He said dont be mad at him for having his sources and reporting on whats has happened.
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Just telling u what they said. U wont know more till after season tho
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Glad to hear it man….
December 6th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Missdick the superdumb–2qbs don’t change the nfl. Idiot.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
air mcnair, macnabb, culpepper , micheal bishop all could have been much better if the nfl was ready for them.
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All of those guys declined fast when they could no longer escape like they used to. Running Qb’s just don’t last in the NFL. They’re great while they’re still athletic, but that instinct to run ruins them when they get older.
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Wrong. The years of experience allow them to settle in nicely as pocket QBs. Just ask Young, Cunningham, Vick and Gannon.
>> Vick can’t stay on the field, young almost had his brain dislodged and gannon wasn’t a run first QB. maybe cunningham was THE exception IDK
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You obviously didn’t follow Gannon in Minnesota. I did. Remember, New England drafted him and tried to make him a DB. And Vick was awesome in Philly. No QB in the history of the game could have held up behind that line this season. Vick is the most underappreciated QB in the league and it isn’t even close.
>> and Gannon won in Minnesota?NO Vick was a crap QB until he started THROWING from the pocket you know READING a defense. Vick would be elite IMO if he could stay on the field. and you never know where Vick could end up next year.wink wink.
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Gannon was excellent in Minnesota.
He got benched for a more marketable pocket QB in Sean Salisbury. Minnesota got thumped in the playoffs as a result.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Dr.Rob
Think we got any shot tonight?
I will watch anyway, get my hopes up and then?????
December 6th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
culpper and mcnabb were never “more reliant on their feet”
people only say that about them to disparage their passing games
word play tricknology employed by the media and feasted on by the mostly white nfl fan base
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I think they were. They took off running a lot. Big Ben is a better example of a Running QB who uses his mobility to throw
>. ever notice how white boy scrambler rothelsburger is NEVER mentioned on HERE or anywhere as elite? hes not even BLACK!! wait here we have a great running and throwing WHITE QB that MYSTIC said us racist white people were looking for and nobody rides his nuts anywhere? but us white boys have been looking for a running/throwing white hope right? you’ve been exposed mystic.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Missdick makes a fool of himself every time he posts.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
If it’s “all about wins” why in the heck would we want Vick over Palmer even.
Vick’s Eagles have the exact same record over this 2 yr. period as the Raiders….and they supposedly have a “dream team” loaded with talent.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Gannon was excellent in Minnesota.
He got benched for a more marketable pocket QB in Sean Salisbury. Minnesota got thumped in the playoffs as a result.
>. this was gannons best year in Minnesota man.
15 211 354 59.6 2,166 6.12 12 50 6 2 – 81.5
59% completion, 12 TDS, 6 INTS and an 81 Qb rating in 15 starts. thats not even average
December 6th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
culpper and mcnabb were never “more reliant on their feet”
people only say that about them to disparage their passing games
word play tricknology employed by the media and feasted on by the mostly white nfl fan base
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I think they were. They took off running a lot. Big Ben is a better example of a Running QB who uses his mobility to throw
>. ever notice how white boy scrambler rothelsburger is NEVER mentioned on HERE or anywhere as elite? hes not even BLACK!! wait here we have a great running and throwing WHITE QB that MYSTIC said us racist white people were looking for and nobody rides his nuts anywhere? but us white boys have been looking for a running/throwing white hope right? you’ve been exposed mystic.
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Well to be honest, i think if Ben had the speed to run like Vick or McNabb, he would. He’s great at escaping and maybe getting a 1st down or two like Gannon. But he’s not going to break off any spectacular runs like Steve Young
December 6th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
We always have a chance. It will be tough tonite of course but I’m an optimist. Things I’m interested in tonite:
1) Palmer of course!
2) DMc?
3) criner/streater development
4) Pryor “getting used to dressing”? Lol.
5) if we do get waxed, we will at least have the pleasure of watching perhaps the greatest qb of all time do his thing. He’s not really a bronco. And he’s a lot of fun to watch. Just take ur hat off to one of the true greats.
But I do hope we somehow step up.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
culpper and mcnabb were never “more reliant on their feet”
people only say that about them to disparage their passing games
word play tricknology employed by the media and feasted on by the mostly white nfl fan base
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I think they were. They took off running a lot. Big Ben is a better example of a Running QB who uses his mobility to throw
>. ever notice how white boy scrambler rothelsburger is NEVER mentioned on HERE or anywhere as elite? hes not even BLACK!! wait here we have a great running and throwing WHITE QB that MYSTIC said us racist white people were looking for and nobody rides his nuts anywhere? but us white boys have been looking for a running/throwing white hope right? you’ve been exposed mystic.
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Well to be honest, i think if Ben had the speed to run like Vick or McNabb, he would. He’s great at escaping and maybe getting a 1st down or two like Gannon. But he’s not going to break off any spectacular runs like Steve Young
>> Ben is as deadly with his feet as he is with his arm because his feet extend plays. you dont have to break off 50 yard runs to be ‘deadly with your feet” hell man steve young doesn’t even get his nuts ridden by white fans on here does he? most accurate passer in league history but we’re all suppose to worship RGIII a ROOKIE and if we don’t it cuz he’s black. fuk that I’ll call that sh*t out anytime
December 6th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
We always have a chance. It will be tough tonite of course but I’m an optimist. Things I’m interested in tonite:
1) Palmer of course!
2) DMc?
3) criner/streater development
4) Pryor “getting used to dressing”? Lol.
5) if we do get waxed, we will at least have the pleasure of watching perhaps the greatest qb of all time do his thing. He’s not really a bronco. And he’s a lot of fun to watch. Just take ur hat off to one of the true greats.
But I do hope we somehow step up.
>> DMC is due for his first 200 yard game. and despite the snow bowl i would say that Brady is better than manning.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Yeah Doc
We always got a chance , that is afterall why we play the game.
Martian head is truely one of if not the beat I have ever seen play the game. The way he reads the D is an art-form.
Pryor dressing will be important to watch LOL I have to agree on that.
Maybe D-mac and Goody will tear it up tonight
December 6th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
DMc just needs to a enrage over three yards a carry.
I prefer manning over Brady. And Steve young was maybe even the best anyway.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Average
December 6th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
I’m kinda torn. I would like to see Pryor and I would love it if he was “space age”. But if he plas and sucks, it would be a lot of fun to make fun of missdick.
December 6th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
please stop trying to associate young flutie elway and tarkenton with
guys like vick and cunningham.
Vick and Cunningham are so much more gifted with speed and quickness this comparison is beyond laughable.
It is no fault of their own they didnt play with much super bowel talent or coaching.
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And Carson Palmer has always had SB talent and coaching?
But it doesn’t count for him right?
December 6th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Raiderssss…. Just Win!… Just Try!.
December 6th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
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December 6th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Raider Prediction Board
Dedicated to Al Davis, Raider duct tape (boy does it hold) and the Coliseum rodents
Week 1: Alex7: Chargers 27 Raiders 20 (22/14)
Week 2: R8eray: Dolphins 20 Raiders 13 (35/13)
Week 3: Plunketthead Raiders 30 Steelers 27 (34/31) R
Week 4: Amysincharge: Denver 48-7 (37-6)
Week 5: Klas Tjorborn: Falcons 35 Raiders 20 (23/20)
Week 6: qodrn: Raiders 27 Jags 20 (26/23 OT) R
Week 7: raidermarty/VaRaiderNation Raiders 27 –
Chiefs 17 (26/16) R
Week 8: No Winner.
Week 9: JONGRUDEN2012: Baltimore 47 Oakland 13
Week 10: GG: Saints 45 Raiders 17
Week 11: To be reconstructed when I feel better
Week 12: backstageatapupptshow: Cleveland 27 Oakland 13 – reverse winner – Albert B. Paine 20/17
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says: Broncos 72 Raiders 23
Plunketthead: Says: Raiders 28 mulestink 27
GG Says: Broncos 45 Raiders 20
guest123 Says: DEN 37 OAK 6
qodrn: Raiders 24 Denver 23 (if Seymore replacement punches out Manning)
RaiderDebo Says: Denver 28 Raiders 24
Raider O Says: Denver 34 Raiders 16
RaiderRockstar: Raiders 30 horse humpers 17
The_Judge37 Says: Raiders 26 Donkeys 21
December 6th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
How many times do we need to say it…Michael Huff is a LIABILITY!! Get rid of that pig! His evaluation was over years ago!!!FFFuuuCCCHH!!!!!!!!!!
Sucks at FS and sucks at CB. There is NO roster spot for that liability…
December 6th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Michael Huff is a PIG! A pig is an overpayed player that doesnt deserve a roster spot.
Do you here me Seymour, you are close.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
IF the raiders get completely embarrassed tonight i could see Mark Davis fuking losing it.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Adams has just shown the best hands of any secondary player on the team…and that is sad.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Huff is not hurt…he got pulled for shiatty play…the only thing I can say “thanks” to this staff for.
Guys, I am trying to stay positive. Really I am.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
My support for Palmer is slowly waning…bad picks like his Bengals story. Moore was all alone on the sideline.
But worse, the throw was BAD.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Notice Broncos aren’t going to the right consistently now that Huff is out…
December 6th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
My DHB support is waning as well…he is regressing. That is a surprise to me cause I love his work ethic. But I see now that his ethic is being sabotaged by his skill…which needs better coaching and reps.
Everything is pointing to coaching.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Am I being facetious if I say I would rather have the D-line drop into coverage than try to pressure?
December 6th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Leave the LB’s in place, please. They are not getting there. Try 2nd half when Broncos are up big or tired.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
I am trying to stay positive…really I am.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Fellas, make sure you realize that the current staff dropped us to rock bottom because of cap issues and purpose.
Comparing anything to this year will look like progress in 2013. Do not be fooled.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
The fallacy that is the Raiders is why I am not sitting in section 141 tonight. And I am a fool for the Raiders.
That, says alot.
December 6th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Take the LIABILITIES out and the game momentum has just changed. Adams, coming of a concusiion, is playing better than Huff ever has, healthy.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Embarrassed in primetime by your hated rival.
December 6th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
SO Dennis Allen is a rookie HC, his father dies,rumors that he’s going to be fired and replaced by a fan favorite abound AND he gets completely EMBARRASSED in prime time by his former boss. all in one week.
December 6th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
This is just awful