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  • manassamauler

    RaiderDebo Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    manassamauler Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!

    >>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    What a fkin COPOUT!!! If you don’t like his post, counter with an actual football take.

    >> hows it a coput when the dude posts endlessly about black mobile QBs? and that was a FOOTBALL take did you not READ past that first line you copied? don’t rip a sentence put of a paragraph and use it as the context. you’re not running for office

  • fingers

    Me.?… I think we keep Palmer for another year or two and build up the rest of the team and hope a Qb shows up to be drafted down the line…

  • Raider Riff

    DJ Johnny Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    I don’t know what is meant by the qb position never being the same.

    Is this referring to athletic qb’s who can pass AND run?

    Or are we talking something else?

    ———

    He’s talking about skin color.

    There have been plenty of running QBs in history. None of them panned out.

    Flutie, Tarkenton, Cunningham, and Steve Young were all great in their own right. But Young is the only one to win a SB and he did it from the pocket.

    Mistic = Racist

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    LA to TheBay Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Having a player cost the team just because a few dipwad fans wants to see a player play?
    Makes no sense.
    Oh wait. This is the raiders board.

    —–

    Dipwad management apparently wants to see him play at some point as well.
    —————————
    Management was asked about numerous players, and the correct reply, always, is to say “we would like to get them out there, at some point”.

    What else could they possible say?
    “No, we pay them each week, but we never want a situation where we get to see them play”??
    Of course not.

    Not saying each and every player shouldn’t get some reps. Just saying he should get reps when he’s ready, or has earned it, or has shown the coaches something, not just because some fans want to see the black guy.

    Some here want to see TP play.
    We all know which ones want to see ‘the black guy’ play.
    Sad.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    NFL: AroundTheLeague‏@NFL_ATL

    Report: A.J. Smith, Norv Turner out after 2012 season in San Diego http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000106869/article/norv-turner-aj-smith-reportedly-out-for-chargers-at-seasons-end?campaign=Twitter_atl

    —————————-

    CUE the GRUDEN TO CHARGERS RUMORS… if mark davis lets that happens without making a play for Gruden.. well then good luck to Jonny

  • RaiderDebo

    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    You guys are crazy. I’d take Anthony Dorsett , Marques POPE and GIBRIL WILSON

    over BRANCH and MITCHELL, and MICHELLE HUFF any day
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    Johnnie Harris too! I like Huff though.

  • tuckrulefool

    NORF >> GREGG KRAPP

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    RaiderDebo Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    manassamauler Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
    RaiderDebo Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Raider Riff Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
    After watching old videos… It becomes super clear…

    Tyvon Branch = Anthony Dorsett 2.0
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Except Anthony Dorsett actually made some big plays. I’ve never been a Branch fan.

    >. yeah but Branch is an “effort” guy so he doesn’t need to make plays when it counts
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Hilarious!
    ————–
    What’s so hilarious, SeymourBush/CaptBlack/Oakglenn/666/?

  • fingers

    Norf?.. Lol

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    LA to TheBay Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
    >>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS, we know man. Palmer isn’t the future but that guy is the toughest player on the damn team man. that guy EARNS his paycheck. and I’m sure Pryor is the savior in your eyes but your nuthuggery is insane to me. let pryor play, i agree but not because he’s better than palmer. need to see if the raiders need to spend their 3rd overall pick on a QB or not. simple as that man.

    ======

    A lot of that vetting happens in training camp, preseason and in practice. You don’t need to play someone to assess them if they aren’t showing the potential in those other areas. The staff already knows whether or not they need to look elsewhere for the future at QB. If they thought Pryor had a reasonable chance and wanted to further test that with live bullets, you’d think it wouldn’t take until the 12th game to suit up for the first time. You’d also think he’d get a little bit of PT in special packages to force the opposing defenses to study something extra.

  • Raider Riff

    Fingers Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    Norv for OC?…just askin

    ——–

    Norv is a great OC

    Our WRs would not be able to run his offense tho.

    Furthermore, as much trouble as our current WRs are having in picking up the current system, you want to change things up on them again with a new system?

    I know Palmer could handle it, but our O-Line and WR’s would not be able too.

  • manassamauler

    Wave of the futre

    >> so RGIII and russell wilsn are first QBS that could beat with their feet and their arms? ever hear of KEn Stabler or tarkenton, cunnigham or maybe steve young. Steve young you know, the most ACCURATE passer in NFL history who was also the first GREAT running QB. RGIII and wilson are not a new Phenom, it’s been done before. I just hope RGIII doesn’t run himself into a injury ridden career like vick and YOUNG

  • eastoaklandraider

    J Hill Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    >. need to draft for that OLINE, run the ball control the LOS

    ————————————————————

    I agree.

    Is there a blue chip OT we can grab? Move Veldheer to RT?

    Improving the Oline is a bigger priority than the pass rush, imo. Not to say the pass rush isn’t a priority, but the QB is taking to many hits, and there are no holes to run through.

    Wouldn’t be mad at all if we drafted OL in rd 1.
    ——————-

    OT FROM TexasA&M is said to be a cant miss.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “There have been plenty of running QBs in history. None of them panned out.”

    Its great in college but it doesn’t belong in the pro game is you ask me…never has worked anyways.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Fingers Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Norv for OC?…just askin
    ————————–
    No, he’s no leader either.

  • Raider Riff

    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
    NFL: AroundTheLeague‏@NFL_ATL

    Report: A.J. Smith, Norv Turner out after 2012 season in San Diego http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000106869/article/norv-turner-aj-smith-reportedly-out-for-chargers-at-seasons-end?campaign=Twitter_atl

    —————————-

    CUE the GRUDEN TO CHARGERS RUMORS… if mark davis lets that happens without making a play for Gruden.. well then good luck to Jonny

    ———-

    If Mark lets this happen I will never forgive him. EVER.

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    RaiderDebo Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    manassamauler Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!

    >>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    What a fkin COPOUT!!! If you don’t like his post, counter with an actual football take.
    =============================
    Don’t ever tell us what to do.
    Ever.

    You understand me, boy?

  • Raider Riff

    KoolKell Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    Fingers Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Norv for OC?…just askin
    ————————–
    No, he’s no leader either.

    ———–

    SHUT UP idiot. Since when does your OC need to be a “leader”.

    Damn you say some stupid chit sometimes.

  • RaiderDebo

    Raider Riff Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
    DJ Johnny Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    I don’t know what is meant by the qb position never being the same.

    Is this referring to athletic qb’s who can pass AND run?

    Or are we talking something else?

    ———

    He’s talking about skin color.

    There have been plenty of running QBs in history. None of them panned out.

    Flutie, Tarkenton, Cunningham, and Steve Young were all great in their own right. But Young is the only one to win a SB and he did it from the pocket.

    Mistic = Racist

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    If we’re talking about athletic young QBs who can pass, which white guys should he be including? Maybe Luck. But Ponder and Locker suck!

  • The Beeech Dawg

    Yo Brahs, just finished up my yoga poses here by the pool and pulled out my acoustic guitar for a mellow jam

    Suddenly a bunch of hot babes sat next to me and began swaying their heads in unison to my gentle strumming

    Then, before you know it, I was belting out this amazing new jam dedicated to world peace, that should definite affect global policy:

    I’ve got an idea for some wild romance
    Let’s hop on a jet and visit Paris, France
    We’ll enjoy the sites and sip fine wine
    Then find a restaurant where we shalt dine
    Back in our room we’ll turn the temperature up
    You’ll touch my nads and I’ll lick your butt
    After a smooth BJ we’ll raise a toast
    To the mighty Beeech Lawg, who we love the most

    Dang, I forgot to put in anything about world peace

  • Gdog

    so many holes on defense. why not draft a Center and maybe a RT and shuffle the OLINE. control the LOS and TOP and this team will compete next year. THEN worry about drafting to fix that high school defense.
    >>>>

    Agreed. Fix the o-line so our main attractions CP can have more time, and McF can have more holes to run through.

    The defense can get better simply by not having to play from behind all the time, and picking up a free agent MLB and/or FS.

    Rookies at those two position are too much of a crap shoot.

  • manassamauler

    fingers Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Me.?… I think we keep Palmer for another year or two and build up the rest of the team and hope a Qb shows up to be drafted down the line…

    >> then they should TRY and trade down for a late 1st and pick up a 2nd and fix that OLINE and just pound the rock next year. then fix the D and see about a QB.

  • RaidingTexas

    Fingers Says:

    Norv for OC?…just askin

    ——————————–

    Yes. In Dallas.

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    Raider Riff Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
    NFL: AroundTheLeague‏@NFL_ATL

    Report: A.J. Smith, Norv Turner out after 2012 season in San Diego http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000106869/article/norv-turner-aj-smith-reportedly-out-for-chargers-at-seasons-end?campaign=Twitter_atl

    —————————-

    CUE the GRUDEN TO CHARGERS RUMORS… if mark davis lets that happens without making a play for Gruden.. well then good luck to Jonny

    ———-

    If Mark lets this happen I will never forgive him. EVER.
    ============================
    LMFAO.
    You’ll “never” forgive him??

    Gee, do you think Marc knows?

    I mean, how devastating would that be to Mark and family if he finds out Riff won’t “ever” forgive him??

    Lordy me..

  • manassamauler

    Gdog Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    so many holes on defense. why not draft a Center and maybe a RT and shuffle the OLINE. control the LOS and TOP and this team will compete next year. THEN worry about drafting to fix that high school defense.
    >>>>

    Agreed. Fix the o-line so our main attractions CP can have more time, and McF can have more holes to run through.

    The defense can get better simply by not having to play from behind all the time, and picking up a free agent MLB and/or FS.

    Rookies at those two position are too much of a crap shoot.

    >. yep raiders need 11 starters on defense IMO, or close to it so the best way to counter that impossible weakness soon is to keep them off of the field

  • eastoaklandraider

    NFL Mock Draft – 12/4/2012
    ROUND 1
    1. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
    Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia: After taking the country by storm over the first half of the college football season, Smith and his Mountaineers have struggled in recent weeks and scouts worry that this could be one of those years in which no quarterback is deserving of No. 1 overall consideration. Even more frightening than that prospect, however, has been the play from Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn for the Chiefs. General manager Scott Pioli, who was responsible for bringing both quarterbacks into Kansas City has reportedly not been offered a contract extension. The Chiefs could be seeing wholesale changes in the off-season. There isn’t a better way to kickoff that transition than with a new swing at a franchise quarterback. Smith’s recent struggles are troubling but he possesses elite traits.
    2. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
    Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State: The Jacksonville Jaguars currently rank 29th in the NFL in rush defense, allowing an average of 136 yards per game and have given up 14 touchdowns on the ground in just 11 games. Worse, they’re tied with the Oakland Raiders for dead last in the league with just 13 sacks in 11 games. The instinctive, physical Seminole would help in both areas, as well as help spark interest from a lagging fan base.
    3. CAROLINA PANTHERS
    Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah: Whomever the Carolina Panthers hire to replace fired general manager Marty Hurney could have his work cut out for him. One of the Panthers’ few bright spots this season has been the play of defensive ends Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy. Carolina’s defensive tackles could use an upgrade and Lotulelei is a terrific talent. With no elite receivers to help take the pressure off of Cam Newton, the Panthers and their defense-oriented head coach, Ron Rivera, could resort to the time-honored tradition of taking the best player available.
    4. OAKLAND RAIDERS
    Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M: The Raiders quietly possess one of the stouter defensive lines in the AFC but their starting defensive ends of Matt Shaughnessy and Lamar Houston will never be great pass rushers and currently have just 5.5 sacks between them. The Raiders rank just one sack ahead of the Jaguars for last in the league with just 14 quarterback take-downs in 12 games. Moore, who has starred as a pass-rushing linebacker and traditional defensive end for the Aggies, leads the SEC with 12.5 sacks and the country with 20 tackles for loss.
    ————

    CBS mock draft

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    Gruden to the Chargers.

  • RaiderDebo

    Sullivan44 Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    RaiderDebo Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    manassamauler Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!

    >>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    What a fkin COPOUT!!! If you don’t like his post, counter with an actual football take.
    =============================
    Don’t ever tell us what to do.
    Ever.

    You understand me, boy?
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Hilarious! Tough guy burning up the keyboard I see. Well try this on for size. I’ll tell your schizo ass what to do anytime I want and you’ll just have to suck it and like it.

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    Cat fight.

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    I missed your answer, Kell.
    BTW, I know you are squirming. I know you have no reply, because the following is dead on.
    But still, it’s fun. :)

    KoolKell Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Damn, you’re an envious little prick, aren’t you cross poster? Lol geez.
    ====================================
    Let’s take stock of what you have that would make me envious.

    You don’t work, at all. Nope, not that.

    You have no friends. Nope, not that either.

    You have no hobbies. Certainly not that.

    Your wife works, while you do nothing all day, every day. For sure, not that.

    You proudly state you don’t give one single penny of your wife’s money to the Raiders. Oh hell no, not that.

    You look like Herman Munster. Do I even need to say it?

    Your wife looks like Herman Munsters dog, on a bad hair day. Nope, certainly not that.

    You live in squalor, in a run down area of Harbor Island, in a small house. That, too, would be a hell no.

    Not seeing it, Kell. Maybe you could enlighten me as to even one thing anyone would envy?
    One?

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    manassamauler Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!

    >>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS, we know man. Palmer isn’t the future but that guy is the toughest player on the damn team man. that guy EARNS his paycheck. and I’m sure Pryor is the savior in your eyes but your nuthuggery is insane to me. let pryor play, i agree but not because he’s better than palmer. need to see if the raiders need to spend their 3rd overall pick on a QB or not. simple as that man.
    ==========

    lol palmer worshipers have been spanked, flat out owned by palmers own ineptitude.

    they are left with forgettable and unimaginative defenses like”

    “you dont like whit qb’s”

    Instead of talking plamer they attempt to bait a race discussion.

    very weak diversionary tactic and untrue.

    I have never made the above statements.

    Nor did i say “pryor was the savior”

    i do think he can be better than palmer though, hell could he be any worse than 7-15 with 35 turn overs?

  • Raider Riff

    RaiderDebo Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    Raider Riff Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
    DJ Johnny Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    I don’t know what is meant by the qb position never being the same.

    Is this referring to athletic qb’s who can pass AND run?

    Or are we talking something else?

    ———

    He’s talking about skin color.

    There have been plenty of running QBs in history. None of them panned out.

    Flutie, Tarkenton, Cunningham, and Steve Young were all great in their own right. But Young is the only one to win a SB and he did it from the pocket.

    Mistic = Racist

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    If we’re talking about athletic young QBs who can pass, which white guys should he be including? Maybe Luck. But Ponder and Locker suck!

    —————

    Who should he be including? It doesnt matter. He doesnt want to talk about white QBs.

    I wouldnt call Luck a “Gunslinger” by any stretch. Yeah, hes got good feet, he’s not stiff. But he’s no RG3 either.

    For for the sake of argument, Rogers is the guy that best fits the Elway/Farve mold. But we havent had a white Tarkenton type since Flutie to be honest.

  • eastoaklandraider

    Kansas City Chiefs: Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
    The Chiefs have been playing better lately, but they are still terrible. They need to clean house and start over, as the awesome @saveourchiefs Twitter handle will tell you. They have to fire people in the front office, including Scott Pioli, who has done an awful job. They also need to find a franchise quarterback. Thanks to dumb turnovers, as seen all year, they’re currently projected to have the No. 1 overall selection, which means they’ll be in position to take Geno Smith.

    This pick will be a quarterback, by the way. Smith, Barkley or maybe some other signal-caller will balloon to the top. It always happens. Remember in 2010 when ESPN was projecting either Da’Quan Bowers or Nick Fairley at No. 1 to Carolina? Well, Cam Newton raised his stock enough. The same thing will happen this spring.

    Smith is now atop the mock again in the wake of Matt Barkley’s struggles. Barkley injured his shoulder against UCLA, so his chances of revitalizing his stock are slim.

    By the way, I’m doing this live because I thought it’d be fun to get instant feedback. I’m going to post my mock anyway, so why not do it this way? Follow @walterfootball for updates.

    Jacksonville Jaguars: Jarvis Jones, DE/OLB, Georgia
    I’ve been mocking a quarterback to the Jaguars for the longest time because it’s been clear that Blaine Gabbert is a sunk cost. I argued that there was no way in hell Jacksonville could go into the 2013 season and sell its fans on Gabbert for another year.

    However, two things have happened. First, Matt Barkley has completely fallen off and cannot be taken at No. 2 overall right now. And second, Chad Henne was brilliant in two starts prior to playing Buffalo. What the Jaguars can sell the fans on is Henne as a bridge to a young quarterback they take in Round 2. Thus, they’ll be free to snag someone as talented as Jarvis Jones.

    Jones would be a huge boost to a defense that has missed strongside linebacker Daryl Smith all year. Smith is a free agent, so if he’s not re-signed, Jones would be a worthy replacement. He would function as Von Miller does in Denver, rushing the quarterback in obvious passing situations.

    Oakland Raiders: Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah
    Is there any doubt the Raiders need help at defensive tackle in the wake of Doug Martin’s near-record performance?

    Tommy Kelly is a bum who doesn’t care about winning, as evidenced when he laughed after prolonging a San Diego drive with a pair of offside penalties. He’s played so sluggishly this year and was especially bad versus Tampa, so there’s no chance he’s going to see a penny of his $6.5 million salary in 2013. He’s as good as gone, and 15-year-old head coach Dennis Allen lost all respect in the locker room for not cutting him after the opener.

    Philadelphia Eagles: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
    Is there any doubt that the Eagles have to upgrade their offensive line? Their tackle position is in shambles. Jason Peters tore his Achilles; Demetress Bell has been a bust signing; while King Dunlap simply sucks. Even if Peters comes back close to 100 percent, an upgrade could be made at right tackle, which would allow Todd Herremans to move back to his natural guard position.

    Luke Joeckel had a slow start to his 2012 campaign, but he’s improved tremendously, even stifling the LSU pass-rushers. He could easily go in the top four, right after a quarterback and some order of Jarvis Jones and Star Lotulelei.
    —————

    Walterfootball Mock.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Raider Riff Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    KoolKell Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Fingers Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Norv for OC?…just askin
    ————————–
    No, he’s no leader either.

    ———–

    SHUT UP idiot. Since when does your OC need to be a “leader”.

    Damn you say some stupid chit sometimes.
    —————————
    I think all coaches need to be leaders, assistants included, to get NFL players to listen to you and follow you.

  • http://www.raiderettes.com Sullivan44

    RaiderDebo Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Sullivan44 Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    RaiderDebo Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    manassamauler Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!

    >>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    What a fkin COPOUT!!! If you don’t like his post, counter with an actual football take.
    =============================
    Don’t ever tell us what to do.
    Ever.

    You understand me, boy?
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Hilarious! Tough guy burning up the keyboard I see. Well try this on for size. I’ll tell your schizo ass what to do anytime I want and you’ll just have to suck it and like it.
    ——————————
    That’s not telling me what to do.
    That’s you pretending your sister will loan you her balls.
    Now try it again, and come up with a definitive request.

    for example: “Get on your knees and beg for forgiveness for hanging of Russell’s sac, even long after he became the #1 NFL bust of all time”.

    Now you try.

  • Raider Riff

    KoolKell Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
    Raider Riff Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    KoolKell Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Fingers Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Norv for OC?…just askin
    ————————–
    No, he’s no leader either.

    ———–

    SHUT UP idiot. Since when does your OC need to be a “leader”.

    Damn you say some stupid chit sometimes.
    —————————
    I think all coaches need to be leaders, assistants included, to get NFL players to listen to you and follow you.

    —————-

    That’s why Norv has how many SuperBowl rings as an assistant? Because as you say it, he’s not a leader?

    Being a leader is not a requirement for a coordinator. No matter what you “think”.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    Palmer is an awesome QB some of you are just to narrow minded to see it.

    Tonight he is going to LIGHT IT UP!!!

    Palmer will kick the Bronco’s ass tonight!

    Be a fan jump on the bandwagon now!

  • Gdog

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    i do think he can be better than palmer though, hell could he be any worse than 7-15 with 35 turn overs?
    >>>>>

    You have only said this 3000 times. I think we get it.

    Do you also wander around the streets muttering the same thing over and over again?

    You seem like a deranged lunatic here. Am I the first to point this out to you?

  • manassamauler

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    manassamauler Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    BUNGLES CANT CHANGE THEIR STRIPES!!!

    >>> yeah yeah you don’t like white QBS, we know man. Palmer isn’t the future but that guy is the toughest player on the damn team man. that guy EARNS his paycheck. and I’m sure Pryor is the savior in your eyes but your nuthuggery is insane to me. let pryor play, i agree but not because he’s better than palmer. need to see if the raiders need to spend their 3rd overall pick on a QB or not. simple as that man.
    ==========

    lol palmer worshipers have been spanked, flat out owned by palmers own ineptitude.

    they are left with forgettable and unimaginative defenses like”

    “you dont like whit qb’s”

    Instead of talking plamer they attempt to bait a race discussion.

    very weak diversionary tactic and untrue.

    I have never made the above statements.

    Nor did i say “pryor was the savior”

    i do think he can be better than palmer though, hell could he be any worse than 7-15 with 35 turn overs?

    >>> do you see the pounding that palmer takes every week? pryor will run away from it for a while but the ONLY logical reason to put Pryor in is that the season is over and the Raiders might want EVALUATE him in a real game or 4 to see if the want to draft a QB next year. chance are palmer will be here STARTING next year BUT we should at least see pryor play.

  • eastoaklandraider

    1. Kansas City Chiefs (draft history) – Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia

    Neither Matt Cassel nor Brady Quinn is the answer at quarterback for the Chiefs. Going into Week 13, the Chiefs have thrown a league-low six touchdowns and a league-high 16 interceptions. If they have the first overall pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, a signal-caller will likely be the pick.

    Through the first five games of the season, Smith played the quarterback position as well as it could possibly be played. Leading the Mountaineers to a 5-0 start, Smith threw for just shy of 400 yards per game, 24 touchdowns and no interceptions.

    Since then, however, the Mountaineers have lost five of six games. During that stretch, Smith has averaged only 267 yards per game with 13 touchdowns and five interceptions.

    Despite the recent struggles, Smith is clearly the top quarterback in this year’s draft class.

    2. Jacksonville Jaguars (draft history) – Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia

    Perhaps adding Jason Babin off waivers from the Eagles will help the Jaguars generate a more consistent pass rush, but the team is currently tied with the Raiders for last in the league in sacks (13.0) through Week 12.

    Arguably the best pass-rusher of this year’s draft class, Jones led the SEC and was tied for second in the nation in sacks (13.5) and had 19.5 tackles for loss in 2011 as a first-team All-American.

    Although Jones has missed two games this season, he has 10.5 sacks in only 10 games played including a season-high three of them against the Gators on October 27th. In addition, Jones ranks sixth in the country with 19.5 tackles for loss.

    3. Oakland Raiders (draft history) – Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah

    Drawing comparisons to Ravens stud defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, Lotulelei has the potential to be the top defensive tackle selected in April and a top-three pick. As a first-team All-Pac-12 selection in 2011, Lotulelei had a strong season this year as well even if the stats might not indicate that.

    Adding a player with Lotulelei’s talent and upside should help the Raiders begin fixing some of their defensive woes. As noted with the Jaguars’ pick, the Raiders are tied for last in the league in sacks and have also allowed the second-most rushing touchdowns (15) this season.
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    Beforeitwasnews Mock.

  • jesusraiderjim

    A lot of that vetting happens in training camp, preseason and in practice. You don’t need to play someone to assess them if they aren’t showing the potential in those other areas. The staff already knows whether or not they need to look elsewhere for the future at QB. If they thought Pryor had a reasonable chance and wanted to further test that with live bullets, you’d think it wouldn’t take until the 12th game to suit up for the first time. You’d also think he’d get a little bit of PT in special packages to force the opposing defenses to study something e
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    Normally I would agree with this post but the coaching staff this year seems to defy all logic. They abandon the running game when it works, dont correct ST errors, half time adjustments are none existent. They baffle the mind.
    We will see Pryor at some point because Reg said we would.

  • RaiderDebo

    Raider Riff Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
    RaiderDebo Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    Raider Riff Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
    DJ Johnny Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    I don’t know what is meant by the qb position never being the same.

    Is this referring to athletic qb’s who can pass AND run?

    Or are we talking something else?

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    He’s talking about skin color.

    There have been plenty of running QBs in history. None of them panned out.

    Flutie, Tarkenton, Cunningham, and Steve Young were all great in their own right. But Young is the only one to win a SB and he did it from the pocket.

    Mistic = Racist

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    If we’re talking about athletic young QBs who can pass, which white guys should he be including? Maybe Luck. But Ponder and Locker suck!

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    Who should he be including? It doesnt matter. He doesnt want to talk about white QBs.

    I wouldnt call Luck a “Gunslinger” by any stretch. Yeah, hes got good feet, he’s not stiff. But he’s no RG3 either.

    For for the sake of argument, Rogers is the guy that best fits the Elway/Farve mold. But we havent had a white Tarkenton type since Flutie to be honest.

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    And I really don’t give a schtt about rings. Tarkenton and Cunningham were absolute stud QBs. Not winning the SB doesn’t diminish either one of them IMO. It takes a damn good team and a lot of luck to win it all. Just ask Peyton Manning. He’s been the best QB in football for weel oer a decade and and only has one ring to show for it. Rings are overrated.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Being a leader is not a requirement for a coordinator. No matter what you “think”.
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    Well we disagree don’t we?

  • Gdog

    Sully and Mistic are BOTH here? The chances of intelligent conversations is now BELOW 0%.

    See ya at game time… poof!

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    See how this place is.

    lest recap

    I said newton and rgIII were the wave of the future and would change football forever when they got to the nfl.

    I said this before the Heisman hype and i was told by 99.9% of this board that they would never play in the nfl. they were athletes playing qb, they couldt read defense they are spread system guys and so on.

    I guess we know who was right on that

    Now that they are here making a mockery of the so called qb protottype and antiquated thinking people want to try and deny the fact that they are bringing nothing new tot he table.

    YOU CANT STAND TO GIVE THE BROTHAS CREDIT FOR CHANGING THE NFL!!!

    Never in history has a qb stood 6’5 and 250 pounds that throws and runs A 4.4 like newton. No one haS ever done what he did last year. Its documented history.

    never in the history of the nfl has qb come in with the smarts like rgIII complimented by 4.3 speed and a rocket arm that is so deadly accurate.

    These have never been seen in the nfl

    THEY HAVE CHANGED THE QB POSITION FOREVER AND NO ONE THAT CAME BEFORE CAN CLAIM THEIR LEGACY

  • Raider Riff

    Gdog Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    i do think he can be better than palmer though, hell could he be any worse than 7-15 with 35 turn overs?
    >>>>>

    You have only said this 3000 times. I think we get it.

    Do you also wander around the streets muttering the same thing over and over again?

    You seem like a deranged lunatic here. Am I the first to point this out to you?

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    You are far from the first to point it out to him.

    He loves it. It’s his troll routine.

  • manassamauler

    YOU CANT STAND TO GIVE THE BROTHAS CREDIT FOR CHANGING THE NFL!!!

    >> exaclty that all you’re about “brutha” keep your racist biased ass out of my posts

  • RaiderDebo

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
    Palmer is an awesome QB some of you are just to narrow minded to see it.

    Tonight he is going to LIGHT IT UP!!!

    Palmer will kick the Bronco’s ass tonight!

    Be a fan jump on the bandwagon now!

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    Be a fan or be delusional?? I’ll just have to assume then that you dropped $1k on the money line tonight, right?

  • eastoaklandraider

    Last Update- November 29th

    #1) Kansas City Chiefs- Geno Smith (QB West Virginia)
    Kansas City picked a bad year to be the worst team in football, and they really are put in a tough spot here. The Chiefs need a Quarterback in the worst way. Under no circumstances can they possibly endure another season of Matt Cassel, or worse, Brady Quinn. However, unlike last year, the 2013 draft doesn’t have a QB prospect anywhere near the caliber of an Andrew Luck, or RG3. They will be left with two options, select between Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, and Tyler Wilson, or roll out the Brinks truck for Joe Flacco if he becomes available. At this point, the chances of Flacco ending up in K.C are slim, so we see them rolling the dice with one of these QB prospects. None of them really inspire high levels of confidence, but at this point, Geno Smith is the guy with the most upside. Whoever the GM of the Chiefs is next year, will have an extremely difficult decision on their hands.
    #2) Jacksonville Jaguars- Jarvis Jones (OLB Georgia)
    This situation would be almost identical to the Broncos draft in 2011. They could have gone any number of directions, but decided to go with who they considered to be the top Defensive playmaker, and went with Von Miller. Another similarity is that Von Miller, like Jarvis Jones, was thought (Us included) to be a 3-4 OLB exclusively. However, Denver knocked that pick out of the park, and Von Miller is a huge reason why the Broncos are where they are now. Jarvis Jones is just a phenomenal athlete, and while he may be best suited for a 3-4 Edge spot, like he’s currently playing in, there’s no reason this athlete can’t do the same thing Von Miller did. He’s got the size and strength to play the run, and if used correctly, Jones could be a dominant Defensive Player quickly for the Jaguars.
    #3) Carolina Panthers- Star Lotulelei (DT Utah)
    “Superman” has crash landed hard in Carolina this year, as Cam Newton and the Panthers are looking dreadful, and destined for a top 5 pick in the 2013 NFL Draft. We don’t believe in Newton, and never have, but they’ll be forced to roll with him and load up the roster, in hopes of a big year three for Cam. In this position, the Panthers should select whoever they deem to be the best overall player available, whether on offense, or defense. In all likelihood be a defensive player, and in this scenario, it’s definitely Star Lotulelei. Conjuring up thoughts of Suh, and Ngata, Lotulelei is the type of elite level Defensive Tackle that can make a huge impact right off the bat. His presence will make the entire defense better, improving them against the run and pass, but whether the Panthers succeed or not, depends 100% on Cam Newton.
    #4) Cleveland Browns- Barkevious Mingo (DE LSU)
    This year’s 2013 NFL Draft is one of the weaker ones in recent memory, which will force NFL GM’s and scouts to really do their homework, to find the gems in this year’s draft. Cleveland’s ideal scenario for their new regime, would be if there was an elite quarterback prospect to replace Brandon Weeden, but as mentioned, this year’s draft doesn’t really contain that. Moving on, the Browns will likely turn their attention to the defensive side of the ball. On which, Cleveland is lacking a pass rush in the worst way. Barkevious Mingo isn’t your elite Mario Williams, Von Miller type pass rushing prospect, but he’s the best pass rusher this class has to offer. Mingo is extremely athletic, with a great blend of strength and quickness, and has proven to be very productive in the SEC. If they don’t go with a pass rusher, Manti Te’o and Star Lotulelei will garner consideration.
    #5) New York Jets- Manti Te’o (LB Notre Dame)
    Next year, Rex Ryan will be coaching for his job, and will be looking to select whichever player he feels can make the most immediate impact. Te’o is the perfect player for the Jets, because not only can he make an immediate impact on the field with his play, but his leadership and character in the locker room is something the Jets are sorely lacking. They need to infuse energy to the team with a guy like Te’o, who can motivate his teammates to play up to their abilities, and hold people accountable, something they currently don’t have. Te’o is the type of rare player who can make his teammates better, quarterback the defense immediately as a rookie, and bring some tenacity, and physicality. All this besides the fact that David Harris is regressing, and Bart Scott is aging.

    #6) Oakland Raiders- Bjoern Werner (DE Florida State)
    Like Jacksonville and Cleveland mentioned above, the Raiders are another team which has absolutely no pass rush. Oakland ranks dead last in the league with only 13 total sacks this season, and it’s no wonder when you look at who they have at DE. Lamarr Houston is a Defensive Tackle really, and Matt Shaughnessy is just a rotational player at best. We normally don’t recommend doing this, but since there aren’t many “Elite” prospects in this years draft, they can afford to go for “Need” here. For some reason, Bjoern Werner flies under the radar, but has been a dominant player this year, and has all the makings of a top notch pass rusher at the next level. Werner is a powerful defensive end who plays great against the run, while also possessing the quickness and athleticism to be an excellent edge rusher.
    #7) Philadelphia Eagles- Luke Joeckel (OT Texas A&M)
    It’s been discussed ad nauseam as to why the Eagles have been the mess they’ve been the past two years. One of their biggest reasons you can point to has been the sieve of an offensive line they’ve had. Pro-Bowl left tackle Jason Peters ruptured his Achilles, then they picked up Demetress Bell, but he’s been a complete flop. They need somebody to solidify the position. Why not bring in the consensus best tackle in the draft? Joeckel has started at LT since day one at A&M, and against SEC pass rushers he’s more than held up. Joeckel can come in right away and play RT, and if Jason Peters comes back healthy, the Eagles will have a couple of great bookend offensive tackles.
    #8) St Louis Rams- Taylor Lewan (OT Michigan)
    Luke Joeckel is the top rated offensive tackle in the draft, but Taylor Lewan is a very close 2nd. Often lost in the discussion, Lewan is an outstanding prospect who possesses the elite athleticism needed to be a high level player at the position. Add in his massive frame (6’7″) and there is no wonder why he is a top 10 selection. With St. Louis having two 1st round picks, they have a great shot at getting two impact players to help them reach the next level. By taking Lewan, it gives them a franchise LT, and allows them to move Roger Saffold to either guard or RT. Sam Bradford will be doing cartwheels if they get Lewan, as he’s been running for his life ever since he’s been in St Louis.
    #9) San Diego Chargers- Johnathan Hankins (DT Ohio State)
    As uncertain as Jared Gaither is looking, OT is looking like a priority for the Chargers, but unfortunately for them, they just miss out on the draft’s top two offensive tackles in Joeckel, and Lewan. With neither of the two elite prospects available, they will likely just move on to taking the best player available on defense. Here it would be a tough call between Hankins, and Alabama Corner Demarcus Milliner. Hankins is the more likely pick because of how rare it is to find a true 3-4 nose tackle these days, and it’s a little easier to find cornerbacks. Johnathan Hankins is a dominant, game-changing defensive tackle, with an elite blend of power and quickness, allowing him to eat up space, and effectively collapse the pocket.
    #10) Tennessee Titans- Chance Warmack (Guard Alabama)
    Guards aren’t taken in the first round very often, let alone the top 10. David DeCastro went 24 last year, and Mike Iupati went 16 a couple of years ago, which were the two highest guards in recent memory. Neither of them though, are the caliber of Chance Warmack. Warmack might be the top lineman in the draft, but he won’t get drafted that high because the guard position isn’t valued as much as a left tackle. Tennessee has one of the worst interior offensive lines in the league, and has for some time, which has really hurt their running game, and in turn, their entire offense. Getting Warmack, makes the entire line better, and will enable the Titans to run the ball more effectively, and also make the play-action threat much stronger.

  • zopi

    I have a feeling that the Raiders will put up a fight against the donkies tonight, I believe they’ll be fired up and give Junior some emotional support for his father’s loss, similar to what the team did in Houston after Mr. Davis death, and what the chefs did last Sunday. I’m getting +11 points I’m putting the rent money on the Raiders tonight. Can you believe the Raiders would ever be an 11 point homedog ? Un-be-lie-vable! Bill Walton would say.