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Live chat here during Raiders vs. Broncos game Thursday

By Jon Becker
Wednesday, December 5th, 2012 at 6:48 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Join Steve Corkran for in-game discussion from the Raiders vs. Broncos game on Thursday beginning at 5 p.m.

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  • manassamauler

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Sure Cam and RG3 are good QB’s coming out of college and showing early signs of success but that’s a product of many things including how many colleges play a pro style offense now days, all athletes in all sports are bigger faster stronger etc.

    But to say they are changing the game or “Revolutionizing” the game is just a misuse of the word maybe you should buy a dictionary or something.

    When the 2 leagues merged that “revolutionized” the or in 1906 when the first forward pass was legal or they had to start using helmets because 18 players died of head injuries. Those are things that “Revolutionized the game not a QB that is faster than his predecessor that’s just the simple evolution of sport.

    >> common sense and history aren’t welcomed into this type of discussion. people throw words around and don’t even know what they mean. like that candy bar was “amazing”!! LOL really skydiving is amazing, a fuking candy bar? people don’t know how to use the english language anymore. ignorance abounds

  • 2romes

    I want to see if coach Allen can coach tonight and the next few games. I would imagine that is what he is there for and why Reggie would keep him. I want to see what others see in him that I overlooked. It starts tonight!

  • The_Judge37

    actually they didnt decline any faster than their non mobile counter parts.

    They played into their mid and late 30’s just like hundreds of other qbs.

    for the record qbs get hurt in the pocket more than outtside of the pocket, both mobile and non mobile.
    ——

    I’m not refering to them getting hurt, just that when they get older they can’t do the same things they did when they dominated the league.

    Sure they played for a relativly normal career, but were only really great Qb’s for about 5-6 years.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    When a QB is more reliant on their legs than passing, they don’t last very long. You could see it in McNabb, Cullpepper and Vick, they tried to escape like they used to and by time but couldn’t.
    ============

    culpper and mcnabb were never “more reliant on their feet”

    people only say that about them to disparage their passing games

    word play tricknology employed by the media and feasted on by the mostly white nfl fan base

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Anyone listening to 95.7 the game right now? I would tell u waht they said but I dont want the DA lovers and GRUDEN haters to get mad
    ———————
    I was listening this morning, and they were saying the Oakland/Gruden rumor is ridiculous.

  • The Big Banana

    Vick and Cunningham are so much more gifted with speed and quickness this comparison is beyond laughable.

    It is no fault of their own they didnt play with much super bowel talent or coaching.

    ——

    Lol. So the supporting cast makes a difference now? Is this Mistic ‘all that matters is win/loss record and rings’ or a troll take over again?

  • Plunketthead

    He’s planning to rape one of the Chargers?

    All of them!

  • The Big Banana

    This race BS is getting old. Blog was doing pretty well today until hate showed up.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    actually they didnt decline any faster than their non mobile counter parts.

    They played into their mid and late 30’s just like hundreds of other qbs.

    for the record qbs get hurt in the pocket more than outtside of the pocket, both mobile and non mobile.
    ——

    I’m not refering to them getting hurt, just that when they get older they can’t do the same things they did when they dominated the league.

    Sure they played for a relativly normal career, but were only really great Qb’s for about 5-6 years.
    ==========

    most nfl qbs have a peak of about 3-4 years, mobile and non mobile alike

    only the truly great qbs with everything in place around them including competent coaching good organizations and talented teammates can sustain a peak level performance for years beyond that.

  • theghostronin79

    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    Anyone listening to 95.7 the game right now? I would tell u waht they said but I dont want the DA lovers and GRUDEN haters to get mad

    ===================

    Let it roll man…..I’m curious

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    HUB ARKUSH responded to that PR email for the raiders. He wasnt on the email list but 95.7 the game producer sent it to him. He responded.

    Arkush has 31 years in the business. Arkush responed and said his sources are impeccable. Gruden/ Raiders have talked about him coming aboard. Said he never knew Allen was dealing with his father. Said by the time he found out the story already had been leaked.

    BUCHER said his sources at espn told him again last night they they have talked.. its been in the pre stages for a few weeks.

    Ric bucher called out the local raider writers for being mad at him. He said dont be mad at him for having his sources and reporting on whats has happened.

    ——————————

    Just telling u what they said. U wont know more till after season tho

  • manassamauler

    maybe RM will float McAnkle for vick

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    The wave of the future

    The NFL is becoming more and more of a passing game. The rule changes are more and more favorable to allowing the receivers to run free. The “protection” rules are hamstringing the pass rush, giving QBs more time in the pocket for complex routes to develop.

    These changes signal the opportunity for a new breed of possession WRs. They are small, shifty, not necessarily fast but quick, have consistent hands, and they use their heads as much as their feet to identify and find the soft spots in the zones.

    We’re seeing some of the early examples of these WR types in offenses that are designed around their abilities, getting away from the traditional systems built around physical mismatches. Guys like Welker, Edelmann, Amendola are showing that in such systems that can routinely rack up double digit catches and be effective chain movers.

    Some teams are not seeing the future yet and sticking with antiquated systems. The Cowboys cut Danny Coale, their 5th round pick this year, who has all the makings for playing in this mold. Some said he should be changed to punter in the NFL. Scotty McKnight was drafted and then waived by the same team that didn’t see Welker’s real value, the Jets. This despite him leading Colorado in career receptions. Pure ignorance on the parts of these teams that are holding back the wave of the future in WR!

    Other teams, like the Bengals with Ryan Whalen, are just starting to see the potential. You’ll see more of Whalen for sure, as he starts to steal attention from AJ Green in coverage.

    The Raiders, had they not been blind to the future, had the chance to work with Nick Miller. But they, like the Rams that picked him up afterwards, were too stuck in the current, limited thinking. They tried to channel his athleticism into the role of kick returner instead of recognizing his true strengths. As the league continues to stereotype and bucket players based into the past fits, they are missing these opportunites to be part of the wave of the future.

  • The_Judge37

    culpper and mcnabb were never “more reliant on their feet”

    people only say that about them to disparage their passing games

    word play tricknology employed by the media and feasted on by the mostly white nfl fan base
    ——–

    I think they were. They took off running a lot. Big Ben is a better example of a Running QB who uses his mobility to throw

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    95.7 the game early morning djs dont have the sources Bucher has built up working around the country and at espn.

    Bucher said ARKUSH has been around forever and wouldnt ruin his reputation for a meanlingless story. ARKUSH said he stands by the story and he is sorry, but he didnt know Allen was going through that.

    Chris townsend taht pr email reaked of the old regime.

  • theghostronin79

    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
    HUB ARKUSH responded to that PR email for the raiders. He wasnt on the email list but 95.7 the game producer sent it to him. He responded.

    Arkush has 31 years in the business. Arkush responed and said his sources are impeccable. Gruden/ Raiders have talked about him coming aboard. Said he never knew Allen was dealing with his father. Said by the time he found out the story already had been leaked.

    BUCHER said his sources at espn told him again last night they they have talked.. its been in the pre stages for a few weeks.

    Ric bucher called out the local raider writers for being mad at him. He said dont be mad at him for having his sources and reporting on whats has happened.

    ——————————

    Just telling u what they said. U wont know more till after season tho

    ===========

    Glad to hear it man….

  • dr_robert

    Missdick the superdumb–2qbs don’t change the nfl. Idiot.

  • Raider Riff

    Manassamauler Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    RaiderDebo Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    manassamauler Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    RaiderDebo Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
    air mcnair, macnabb, culpepper , micheal bishop all could have been much better if the nfl was ready for them.
    ——–

    All of those guys declined fast when they could no longer escape like they used to. Running Qb’s just don’t last in the NFL. They’re great while they’re still athletic, but that instinct to run ruins them when they get older.

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Wrong. The years of experience allow them to settle in nicely as pocket QBs. Just ask Young, Cunningham, Vick and Gannon.

    >> Vick can’t stay on the field, young almost had his brain dislodged and gannon wasn’t a run first QB. maybe cunningham was THE exception IDK

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    You obviously didn’t follow Gannon in Minnesota. I did. Remember, New England drafted him and tried to make him a DB. And Vick was awesome in Philly. No QB in the history of the game could have held up behind that line this season. Vick is the most underappreciated QB in the league and it isn’t even close.

    >> and Gannon won in Minnesota?NO Vick was a crap QB until he started THROWING from the pocket you know READING a defense. Vick would be elite IMO if he could stay on the field. and you never know where Vick could end up next year.wink wink.

    ——-

    Gannon was excellent in Minnesota.

    He got benched for a more marketable pocket QB in Sean Salisbury. Minnesota got thumped in the playoffs as a result.

  • jesusraiderjim

    Dr.Rob

    Think we got any shot tonight?

    I will watch anyway, get my hopes up and then?????

  • manassamauler

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    culpper and mcnabb were never “more reliant on their feet”

    people only say that about them to disparage their passing games

    word play tricknology employed by the media and feasted on by the mostly white nfl fan base
    ——–

    I think they were. They took off running a lot. Big Ben is a better example of a Running QB who uses his mobility to throw

    >. ever notice how white boy scrambler rothelsburger is NEVER mentioned on HERE or anywhere as elite? hes not even BLACK!! wait here we have a great running and throwing WHITE QB that MYSTIC said us racist white people were looking for and nobody rides his nuts anywhere? but us white boys have been looking for a running/throwing white hope right? you’ve been exposed mystic.

  • dr_robert

    Missdick makes a fool of himself every time he posts.

  • DJ Johnny

    If it’s “all about wins” why in the heck would we want Vick over Palmer even.

    Vick’s Eagles have the exact same record over this 2 yr. period as the Raiders….and they supposedly have a “dream team” loaded with talent.

  • manassamauler

    Gannon was excellent in Minnesota.

    He got benched for a more marketable pocket QB in Sean Salisbury. Minnesota got thumped in the playoffs as a result.

    >. this was gannons best year in Minnesota man.

    15 211 354 59.6 2,166 6.12 12 50 6 2 – 81.5

    59% completion, 12 TDS, 6 INTS and an 81 Qb rating in 15 starts. thats not even average

  • The_Judge37

    manassamauler Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    culpper and mcnabb were never “more reliant on their feet”

    people only say that about them to disparage their passing games

    word play tricknology employed by the media and feasted on by the mostly white nfl fan base
    ——–

    I think they were. They took off running a lot. Big Ben is a better example of a Running QB who uses his mobility to throw

    >. ever notice how white boy scrambler rothelsburger is NEVER mentioned on HERE or anywhere as elite? hes not even BLACK!! wait here we have a great running and throwing WHITE QB that MYSTIC said us racist white people were looking for and nobody rides his nuts anywhere? but us white boys have been looking for a running/throwing white hope right? you’ve been exposed mystic.
    ——–

    Well to be honest, i think if Ben had the speed to run like Vick or McNabb, he would. He’s great at escaping and maybe getting a 1st down or two like Gannon. But he’s not going to break off any spectacular runs like Steve Young

  • dr_robert

    We always have a chance. It will be tough tonite of course but I’m an optimist. Things I’m interested in tonite:

    1) Palmer of course!
    2) DMc?
    3) criner/streater development
    4) Pryor “getting used to dressing”? Lol.
    5) if we do get waxed, we will at least have the pleasure of watching perhaps the greatest qb of all time do his thing. He’s not really a bronco. And he’s a lot of fun to watch. Just take ur hat off to one of the true greats.

    But I do hope we somehow step up.

  • manassamauler

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    manassamauler Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    culpper and mcnabb were never “more reliant on their feet”

    people only say that about them to disparage their passing games

    word play tricknology employed by the media and feasted on by the mostly white nfl fan base
    ——–

    I think they were. They took off running a lot. Big Ben is a better example of a Running QB who uses his mobility to throw

    >. ever notice how white boy scrambler rothelsburger is NEVER mentioned on HERE or anywhere as elite? hes not even BLACK!! wait here we have a great running and throwing WHITE QB that MYSTIC said us racist white people were looking for and nobody rides his nuts anywhere? but us white boys have been looking for a running/throwing white hope right? you’ve been exposed mystic.
    ——–

    Well to be honest, i think if Ben had the speed to run like Vick or McNabb, he would. He’s great at escaping and maybe getting a 1st down or two like Gannon. But he’s not going to break off any spectacular runs like Steve Young

    >> Ben is as deadly with his feet as he is with his arm because his feet extend plays. you dont have to break off 50 yard runs to be ‘deadly with your feet” hell man steve young doesn’t even get his nuts ridden by white fans on here does he? most accurate passer in league history but we’re all suppose to worship RGIII a ROOKIE and if we don’t it cuz he’s black. fuk that I’ll call that sh*t out anytime

  • manassamauler

    dr_robert Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    We always have a chance. It will be tough tonite of course but I’m an optimist. Things I’m interested in tonite:

    1) Palmer of course!
    2) DMc?
    3) criner/streater development
    4) Pryor “getting used to dressing”? Lol.
    5) if we do get waxed, we will at least have the pleasure of watching perhaps the greatest qb of all time do his thing. He’s not really a bronco. And he’s a lot of fun to watch. Just take ur hat off to one of the true greats.

    But I do hope we somehow step up.

    >> DMC is due for his first 200 yard game. and despite the snow bowl i would say that Brady is better than manning.

  • jesusraiderjim

    Yeah Doc

    We always got a chance , that is afterall why we play the game.

    Martian head is truely one of if not the beat I have ever seen play the game. The way he reads the D is an art-form.

    Pryor dressing will be important to watch LOL I have to agree on that.

    Maybe D-mac and Goody will tear it up tonight

  • dr_robert

    DMc just needs to a enrage over three yards a carry.

    I prefer manning over Brady. And Steve young was maybe even the best anyway.

  • dr_robert

    Average

  • dr_robert

    I’m kinda torn. I would like to see Pryor and I would love it if he was “space age”. But if he plas and sucks, it would be a lot of fun to make fun of missdick.

  • DJ Johnny

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    please stop trying to associate young flutie elway and tarkenton with

    guys like vick and cunningham.

    Vick and Cunningham are so much more gifted with speed and quickness this comparison is beyond laughable.

    It is no fault of their own they didnt play with much super bowel talent or coaching.

    And Carson Palmer has always had SB talent and coaching?

    But it doesn’t count for him right?

  • fingers

    Raiderssss…. Just Win!… Just Try!.

  • mcfadden20.

  • qodrn1

    Raider Prediction Board

    Dedicated to Al Davis, Raider duct tape (boy does it hold) and the Coliseum rodents

    Week 1: Alex7: Chargers 27 Raiders 20 (22/14)
    Week 2: R8eray: Dolphins 20 Raiders 13 (35/13)
    Week 3: Plunketthead Raiders 30 Steelers 27 (34/31) R
    Week 4: Amysincharge: Denver 48-7 (37-6)
    Week 5: Klas Tjorborn: Falcons 35 Raiders 20 (23/20)
    Week 6: qodrn: Raiders 27 Jags 20 (26/23 OT) R
    Week 7: raidermarty/VaRaiderNation Raiders 27 –
    Chiefs 17 (26/16) R
    Week 8: No Winner.
    Week 9: JONGRUDEN2012: Baltimore 47 Oakland 13
    Week 10: GG: Saints 45 Raiders 17
    Week 11: To be reconstructed when I feel better
    Week 12: backstageatapupptshow: Cleveland 27 Oakland 13 – reverse winner – Albert B. Paine 20/17

    Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says: Broncos 72 Raiders 23
    Plunketthead: Says: Raiders 28 mulestink 27
    GG Says: Broncos 45 Raiders 20
    guest123 Says: DEN 37 OAK 6
    qodrn: Raiders 24 Denver 23 (if Seymore replacement punches out Manning)
    RaiderDebo Says: Denver 28 Raiders 24
    Raider O Says: Denver 34 Raiders 16
    RaiderRockstar: Raiders 30 horse humpers 17
    The_Judge37 Says: Raiders 26 Donkeys 21

  • The Oracle

    How many times do we need to say it…Michael Huff is a LIABILITY!! Get rid of that pig! His evaluation was over years ago!!!FFFuuuCCCHH!!!!!!!!!!

    Sucks at FS and sucks at CB. There is NO roster spot for that liability…

  • The Oracle

    Michael Huff is a PIG! A pig is an overpayed player that doesnt deserve a roster spot.

    Do you here me Seymour, you are close.

  • manassamauler

    IF the raiders get completely embarrassed tonight i could see Mark Davis fuking losing it.

  • The Oracle

    Adams has just shown the best hands of any secondary player on the team…and that is sad.

  • The Oracle

    Huff is not hurt…he got pulled for shiatty play…the only thing I can say “thanks” to this staff for.

    Guys, I am trying to stay positive. Really I am.

  • The Oracle

    My support for Palmer is slowly waning…bad picks like his Bengals story. Moore was all alone on the sideline.

    But worse, the throw was BAD.

  • The Oracle

    Notice Broncos aren’t going to the right consistently now that Huff is out…

  • The Oracle

    My DHB support is waning as well…he is regressing. That is a surprise to me cause I love his work ethic. But I see now that his ethic is being sabotaged by his skill…which needs better coaching and reps.

    Everything is pointing to coaching.

  • The Oracle

    Am I being facetious if I say I would rather have the D-line drop into coverage than try to pressure?

  • The Oracle

    Leave the LB’s in place, please. They are not getting there. Try 2nd half when Broncos are up big or tired.

  • The Oracle

    I am trying to stay positive…really I am.

  • The Oracle

    Fellas, make sure you realize that the current staff dropped us to rock bottom because of cap issues and purpose.

    Comparing anything to this year will look like progress in 2013. Do not be fooled.

  • The Oracle

    The fallacy that is the Raiders is why I am not sitting in section 141 tonight. And I am a fool for the Raiders.

    That, says alot.

  • The Oracle

    Take the LIABILITIES out and the game momentum has just changed. Adams, coming of a concusiion, is playing better than Huff ever has, healthy.

  • manassamauler

    Embarrassed in primetime by your hated rival.