Seymour not playing Thursday, everyone else likely to play
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, December 5th, 2012 at 12:58 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson were at full strength in practice Wednesday, and they are listed as probable for the game against the Broncos.
Therefore, it’s almost a certainty that fans will get their first look at McFadden and Goodson in a game since they suffered high-ankle sprains against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Nov. 4. Both missed the past four games.
Defensive tackle Richard Seymour tweaked a hamstring in the same game. He hasn’t been able to practice ever since, including Wednesday. As a result, Seymour was declared out for Thursday night’s game against the Broncos.
Defensive end Jack Crawford (toe) and cornerback Phillip Adams (concussion) are listed as questionable. The eleven other players on the injury report, including McFadden and Goodson, are listed as probable.
It appears as if the Raiders are as healthy as they have been all season going into a game, including the regular-season opener, when they were missing wide receivers Denarius Moore and Jacoby Ford.
– NFL commissioner Roger Goodell will be joined by former Raiders coach John Madden, former Raiders defensive lineman Howie Long and former Broncos quarterback John Elway at a fan forum at Oracle Arena on Thursday afternoon.
The forum will be attended by media and 150 fans selected from among the Raiders season-ticketholders. The event begins at 3 p.m., more than two hours before the Broncos and Raiders play.
– Given Long’s presence at the fan forum, it seems logical that he will be the one lighting the Al Davis ceremonial torch before the game.
The Raiders have not announced who will light the torch. I don’t recall seeing Long at any Raiders practices or games since they relocated to Oakland in 1995.
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December 5th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
yo
December 5th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
BRING GRUDEN BACK HOME! Lets bring back the RAiders back to its GREATNESS!!
December 5th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
1st playa
December 5th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
btw im hearin that if JON GRUDEN does return to HC / 10 percent stake in a team he will bring in his brother JAY GRUDEN in as OC they have always wanted to coach together.. or in some capacity
December 5th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Skyler Beltran@SkylerBeltran
Mark Davis Was Seen Leaving The “NFL In LA” Meeting Along With The St Louis Rams Owner, Kroenke, According To ESPN Radio
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
December 5th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
85.RaiderDanny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
U guys know the Davis family only owns 37% of the franchise! Google it if u want to argue!
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Good….get them out.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
FIREREGGIENOW!
December 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
You think any local beat writers would knows whats going on in the front office? heck no. They have zero sources. They all piggy back off national media.
Only three ppl know whats going on that JON GRUDEN, Mark Davis and his mother. Many ppl are forgetting about Carol. She cant be to happy that this org is moving like this after her husband Al passed on.
The next time local beat writers break a scoop that would be a first. They wont know till JON walks through that door for the presser. and they are eating their cold cutz .. subway sanwhiches and have cheeto stains on their fingers.
Thats when they will know. They are usually the last to know anything
December 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
What I am seeing says the Davis family owns 47% of the Raiders.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
– NFL commissioner Roger Goodell will be joined by former Raiders coach John Madden, former Raiders defensive lineman Howie Long and former Broncos quarterback John Elway at a fan forum at Oracle Arena on Thursday afternoon.
The forum will be attended by media and 150 fans selected from among the Raiders season-ticketholders. The event begins at 3 p.m., more than two hours before the Broncos and Raiders play.
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Wouldn’t it be a hoot if Goodell asked the Oakland fans if they don’t mind if the Raiders move to LA?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Howie for GM.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Bcz24 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
What evidence do you have to support that claim?
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The same source that last week accurately reported Rolando “FOUR MILLION F—ING REASONS” McClain…
December 5th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
What I am seeing says the Davis family owns 47% of the Raiders.
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Correct. The Davis family must own a min 30% to have controlling interest. Mark must sell off another 17% at the time of death of his mom Carol to keep controlling interest. They are cutting things close.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
#Broncos coach John Fox “In my experience, it’s hard to beat someone twice. Heck, it’s hard to beat someone once in this league.” #Raiders
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I really think Jon fox is gonna help DA out and throw the game.. he knows he is taking alot of heat lately. They already clinced the playoffs.. he is gonna try and set up the game in Raiders favor especially on national tv.. gonna try and give them a chance to win
December 5th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Alot of chucky talk.. im not getting my hopes up till i hear something real.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/Wednesday-Practice-Photos/20ef7d7d-97dc-4550-87b9-60bd3eaddeb1#1d39efe3-ee86-4238-bb4e-a1e537dc915e
check out this pic of Matt Mayock watching practice.. He is probaly thinking WTF is this shyyyt? Didnt Al try to get him to be GM?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Matt Millen for GM.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
btw im hearin that if JON GRUDEN does return to HC / 10 percent stake in a team he will bring in his brother JAY GRUDEN in as OC they have always wanted to coach together.. or in some capacity
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that would be cool, if im not mistaken. he was coaching an arena team when his Q.b. was hurt and was out a game or two and jay gruden suited up and played in his spot. something like that
December 5th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Seymour not playing Thursday
This is news? Is it not yet safe to say that Richard Seymour has already played his last game as an Oakland Raider?
Personal opinion, I think Seymour is just another vet who wasn’t buying what the staff was selling and decided to cash it in this season. This guy has been essentially being paid for nothing, all season. Must be nice.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I truly feel bad for his family situation.
However, the real pity I have for him is that he truly is dead man walking…
Maybe not the best decision leaving for 3 days after 5 weeks of atrocious ball, during a short week, facing the streaking 8-3 Manning led Broncos, playing in the national spotlight, staring down an owner at home who is trigger twitchy already and rumored to be in discussions with R. Nation fan favorite Jon D. Gruden.
Yeah, dead man walking.
B00k it Dano….
December 5th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Matt Millen and Howie Long assualting Pat Sullivan with a helmet, good times.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
http://youtu.be/1V0X6Uo3Zpk
Here is video of the good Ol days. PACKED house.. RAIDERS JUST CLINCED AFC WEST.. and JON GRUDEN gets the ice bath.
Listen to the commentators. Raiders were a force
December 5th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
3-13 > 7-9
by a LOOONG margin at that….
December 5th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Bringing Seymour back was one of Reggie’s biggest blunders.
Bad decision.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
I really think Jon fox is gonna help DA out and throw the game.. he knows he is taking alot of heat lately. They already clinced the playoffs.. he is gonna try and set up the game in Raiders favor especially on national tv.. gonna try and give them a chance to win
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Nobody throws games in the NFL. However, I could easily see Fox having some pity on DA (and knowing we’re not always going to be this cruddy) and shifting his offense into low gear once they’re up by 3 touchdowns or so.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Bringing Seymour back was one of Reggie’s biggest blunders.
Bad decision.
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Fortunately, Reggie stuck that buy-back clause in, so we can let him walk in a month with no cap repercussions. Seymour cares about nothing except his paycheck at this point.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Did Al Davis have a will that is being probated in California? Probably more likely a Trust that we can’t look at, but has anyone checked?
It would be interesting to see that court file if indeed a probate estate has been opened.
Did Al leave his shares to Carol to delay estate tax consequences, or did he leave the shares to Mark and have enough $$ squirreled away to pay the estate tax?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Wishful thinking boys but Peyton runs the SHOW.
Raiders 72 Raiders 23
December 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Check your facts, Duck.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Did Al leave his shares to Carol to delay estate tax consequences, or did he leave the shares to Mark and have enough $$ squirreled away to pay the estate tax?
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IIRC, Carole is the official owner of the Raiders right now, but she’s letting Mark run the team. Mark, in turn, is letting Reggie run the football operations.
Husbands can bequeath to spouses with no tax liability. However, when Carole passes away, Mark’s going to get hit with a 20% inheritance tax, which means probably $100 million or so. He may well have to sell at that point.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Check your facts, Duck.
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I’m going by what Casserly reported yesterday. Seymour’s revised deal voids out after this year unless we buy back in. Reggie can choose not to buy back in, which means #92 becomes a UDFA and we have no cap hit for him.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Wishful thinking boys but Peyton runs the SHOW.
Raiders 72 Raiders 23
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So is that our offense that put up 72 or the defense? I could see CP putting up 72 against this defense, but NOT with Knapp calling the plays.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Mark Davis–and his mother, Carole Davis–currently own 47% of the Raiders. Under NFL bylaws, Davis must maintain at least a 30% ownership stake in the Raiders to maintain operating control. As we demonstrated in December, Davis likely will look to sell between 15-17% of the team to settle estate tax bills that will become due upon the death of his mother. As importantly, a minority ownership group that owns 20% of the Raiders and is led by east coast financiers Dan Goldring, David Abrams, and Paul Leff, is open to the possibility of selling their equity positions.
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There’s no money squirreled away either. Al Davis was a huge spender in last days refinancing and spending his way to a championship that never came.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
DA got a 4 year deal with likely 3 or 4 guaranteed.
Gruden isn’t coming.
But if he were he’d want top 5 money. Additionally his latest 5 year contract with espn just started:
Jon Gruden will remain in the ESPN “Monday Night Football” broadcast booth for another five seasons. The former Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Oakland Raiders coach agreed to an ‘exclusive’ contract with ESPN that begins in September 2012.
There is debate on just what ‘exclusive’ means but he’s estimated to be making 4.3 mil with espn.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
DA got a 4 year deal with likely 3 or 4 guaranteed.
There is debate on just what ‘exclusive’ means but he’s estimated to be making 4.3 mil with espn.
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And that’s $4.3 million doing a LOT less work than an NFL head coach or GM.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
No, we won’t see Fox fake a field goal tomorrow night ….
December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Prior to his death in October 2011, Al Davis owned 47% of the Oakland Raiders per CSN Sports. Upon his death, this 47% equity stake in the Raiders was inherited by Al Davis’ wife, Carole Davis (Carol Davis). Accordingly, no estate taxes are currently due on the Raiders, since spouses have an “unlimited marital deduction.” But upon Carole’s passing, the team will be inherited by Mark Davis, the son of Al and Carole Davis. At this time, estate taxes will be due on the team.
Accordingly, Carole and Mark Davis will have to plan for estate taxes. For NFL franchises, selling an ownership stake to pay for the estate tax is most feasible. Other estate planning measures, such as life insurance policies and trusts, do not adequately cover the enormity of estate tax bills for $740 million franchises. Even though publically the Raiders have maintained that they engaged in sophisticated estate tax planning prior to Al Davis’ death, we do not believe that Mark Davis will be able to settle his estate tax bill upon his mother’s passing without selling at least a part of his eventual 47% ownership stake in the Raiders.
It is worth noting that the Raiders are not unique in this situation. Estate tax planning was the reason why the Spanos family retained Goldman Sachs in 2010 to explore a 30% equity sale in the team. (The Spanos family and Goldman Sachs are no longer exploring an equity sale for estate tax planning purposes.) Estate taxes were also the reason why Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez, the children of Georgia Frontiere, sold their 60% of the St. Louis Rams in 2010 to Stan Kroenke. The Frontiere children needed to pay their estate tax bill.
Estate taxes in 2012 will be 35%. Estate taxes in 2013 and beyond are less clear. Since federal estate taxes are a current source of Congressional debate, estate taxes are in flux. The Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 expires after 2012, at which time estate tax rates are set to increase up to 55%. This could change depending on Congressional action.
Accordingly, Carole and Mark Davis are faced with uncertainty regarding their estate tax situation. If Carole Davis were to pass away before 2013, Mark Davis would inherit not only the team but also an approximate $121 million tax bill.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
You think any local beat writers would knows whats going on in the front office? heck no. They have zero sources. They all piggy back off national media.
Only three ppl know whats going on that JON GRUDEN, Mark Davis and his mother. Many ppl are forgetting about Carol. She cant be to happy that this org is moving like this after her husband Al passed on.
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Now Carol Davis is making football decisions? You guys are starting to lose it.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
tOO mUUUUch Me$cUliNe.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
32.. I could see a high school team beating our defense ….
December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Yeah and that’s 4.3 for MNF. He probably makes additional cash on his other show.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Skyler Beltran@SkylerBeltran
Mark Davis Was Seen Leaving The “NFL In LA” Meeting Along With The St Louis Rams Owner, Kroenke, According To ESPN Radio
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
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Just saw this too. I think this will eventually be the rumor that proves to be true and rocks the Raider Nation, not that other rumor floating around out there.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Skyler Beltran @SkylerBeltran
Mark Davis Was Seen Leaving The “NFL In LA” Meeting Along With The St Louis Rams Owner, Kroenke, According To ESPN Radio
December 5th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Prior to his death in October 2011, Al Davis owned 47% of the Oakland Raiders per CSN Sports. Upon his death, this 47% equity stake in the Raiders was inherited by Al Davis’ wife, Carole Davis (Carol Davis). Accordingly, no estate taxes are currently due on the Raiders, since spouses have an “unlimited marital deduction.” But upon Carole’s passing, the team will be inherited by Mark Davis, the son of Al and Carole Davis. At this time, estate taxes will be due on the team.
Accordingly, Carole and Mark Davis will have to plan for estate taxes. For NFL franchises, selling an ownership stake to pay for the estate tax is most feasible. Other estate planning measures, such as life insurance policies and trusts, do not adequately cover the enormity of estate tax bills for $740 million franchises. Even though publically the Raiders have maintained that they engaged in sophisticated estate tax planning prior to Al Davis’ death, we do not believe that Mark Davis will be able to settle his estate tax bill upon his mother’s passing without selling at least a part of his eventual 47% ownership stake in the Raiders.
It is worth noting that the Raiders are not unique in this situation. Estate tax planning was the reason why the Spanos family retained Goldman Sachs in 2010 to explore a 30% equity sale in the team. (The Spanos family and Goldman Sachs are no longer exploring an equity sale for estate tax planning purposes.) Estate taxes were also the reason why Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez, the children of Georgia Frontiere, sold their 60% of the St. Louis Rams in 2010 to Stan Kroenke. The Frontiere children needed to pay their estate tax bill.
Estate taxes in 2012 will be 35%. Estate taxes in 2013 and beyond are less clear. Since federal estate taxes are a current source of Congressional debate, estate taxes are in flux. The Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 expires after 2012, at which time estate tax rates are set to increase up to 55%. This could change depending on Congressional action.
Accordingly, Carole and Mark Davis are faced with uncertainty regarding their estate tax situation. If Carole Davis were to pass away before 2013, Mark Davis would inherit not only the team but also an approximate $121 million tax bill.
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IMHO, that $740 million figure is low. The Dodgers just sold for $2 billion. We (with even greater worldwide brand recognition) have gotta be worth at least half that.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
LA Times beating the Chuckie drum.
LA?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Skyler Beltran @SkylerBeltran
Mark Davis Was Seen Leaving The “NFL In LA” Meeting Along With The St Louis Rams Owner, Kroenke, According To ESPN Radio
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I wonder if Dean Spanos or that Khan guy who owns the Jags were there also.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Raiders better step and kick some Donkey @$$ tomorrow…
December 5th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
how long before manning is giggling on the sidelines and raider fans begin littering the field with trash? My guess is with 10 min or so left in the first half. 45-0 denver
December 5th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
If that’s the case Duck, then the tax bill just reset higher than $121 million.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Mark Davis should sell a stake in the RAIDERS to the Nation! I’d spend a grand to own a piece of the team….
December 5th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
If that’s the case Duck, then the tax bill just reset higher than $121 million.
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Exactly. That’s when Ed Roski or AEG comes into the picture. Mark sells most of his stake, retains the title of Chairman of the Los Angeles Raiders, gets a lifetime suite in LA Stadium (or Farmer’s Field), and a bunch of corporate types take over. Well-funded corporate types who know the value in hiring a good football man to run things and then getting out of the way. If Reggie’s got this team on the upswing by then, they’ll probably just keep him in place.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
You think Carol doesnt have an influence on MARK get real? Mark is just like his mom.. he doesnt want to see his org fade out. Why do u think Marcus allen has come back? Gruden etc? Mark always says close friends of him and his mom.
Mark pissed holding pressers.. and talking to DA already. This is not your normal orgnaization ..read Monte pools article.. Mark states that.
BTW i really feel like some media writers, national media guys dont want too see the Raiders get better.. they dont want to see them get back on the top.. thats why they will do anything to crush rumors on anything raider related.
IF this story came out and lets say the JETS/ COWBOYS.. in would be front and center on every news program.. type show. Its not question the WHINERS are the media darlings of the bay area
December 5th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Prior to his death in October 2011, Al Davis owned 47% of the Oakland Raiders per CSN Sports. Upon his death, this 47% equity stake in the Raiders was inherited by Al Davis’ wife, Carole Davis (Carol Davis). Accordingly, no estate taxes are currently due on the Raiders, since spouses have an “unlimited marital deduction.” But upon Carole’s passing, the team will be inherited by Mark Davis, the son of Al and Carole Davis. At this time, estate taxes will be due on the team.
Accordingly, Carole and Mark Davis will have to plan for estate taxes. For NFL franchises, selling an ownership stake to pay for the estate tax is most feasible. Other estate planning measures, such as life insurance policies and trusts, do not adequately cover the enormity of estate tax bills for $740 million franchises. Even though publically the Raiders have maintained that they engaged in sophisticated estate tax planning prior to Al Davis’ death, we do not believe that Mark Davis will be able to settle his estate tax bill upon his mother’s passing without selling at least a part of his eventual 47% ownership stake in the Raiders.
It is worth noting that the Raiders are not unique in this situation. Estate tax planning was the reason why the Spanos family retained Goldman Sachs in 2010 to explore a 30% equity sale in the team. (The Spanos family and Goldman Sachs are no longer exploring an equity sale for estate tax planning purposes.) Estate taxes were also the reason why Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez, the children of Georgia Frontiere, sold their 60% of the St. Louis Rams in 2010 to Stan Kroenke. The Frontiere children needed to pay their estate tax bill.
Estate taxes in 2012 will be 35%. Estate taxes in 2013 and beyond are less clear. Since federal estate taxes are a current source of Congressional debate, estate taxes are in flux. The Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 expires after 2012, at which time estate tax rates are set to increase up to 55%. This could change depending on Congressional action.
Accordingly, Carole and Mark Davis are faced with uncertainty regarding their estate tax situation. If Carole Davis were to pass away before 2013, Mark Davis would inherit not only the team but also an approximate $121 million tax bill.
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IMHO, that $740 million figure is low. The Dodgers just sold for $2 billion. We (with even greater worldwide brand recognition) have gotta be worth at least half that.
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Again there are three things that you guys are not considering: lst, that they didn’t see this coming. Obviously, they did, and Davis could have had a VERY large life policy to offset this. 2ndly, Davis owns a lot of real estate. They could liquidate that and leave the team alone. If the estate is worth $1B and they need to come up with $150mm, that is not that large of a share of the team and they could probably sell part or finance part. Or both.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
A think a move to la is more likely than a gruden return to hc.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Has John Herrera denied the Gruden rumors yet?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
So if you are Gruden do you stay in the cake job making around 5m guaranteed for 5 years.
Or do you jump to a last place team with more problems than you even know with a potential ownership issue and a GM who says its ‘his’ team ?
Not to mention a fan base with expectations.
Money talks but Mark would have to pony up some serious coin.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
HOWIE!!!!!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Well Jon has already said he wanted to come back to coaching. PAPA confirmed the story two days ago. Gruden even called Al about coming back in 2009 before AL went to hue.
Like i said GRUDEN is a competitve guy. He wants to cement his legacy as one of the greats. The guy is only 50. Its like a military figure. He wants to come back and take an organization back to greatness. You cant do that sitting in a booth choosing the easy path.
PAPA even said JON GRUDEN said he wanted to come back to the Raiders because he had “UNFINISHSED BUSINESS” papa was shocked to hear that. Raiders have a special spot in grudens heart.
U dont think Mark trys to court him and visca versa?? For all we know Gruden is asking mark to come back. Might even be a stake in the team
December 5th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Isn’t Troy Aikman a part owner of the Raiders? I thought I heard something about that years ago. He obviously has LA ties from his college days.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Gruden seems pretty happy doing the broadcasting thing.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I’m all for a HC with experience, and successful experience at that. I could care less if it’s Gruden or not. DA is not head coaching material and the sooner Reggie admits his mistake and moves on the better. Tomorrow will be the breaking point, in my opinion.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
http://www.facebook.com/BringJohnGrudenBackToTheRaiders
Howie Rocks
December 5th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Jon Gruden’s return might cost $5-8 million in his salary but the return would offset that by a large margin. Just season ticket sales alone….
December 5th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
“I said I want to get good at this,” Gruden said while preparing for the prime-time game at the New Jersey Meadowlands between the Dolphins and Jets. “I was serious about this from the day I started it and I am serious about wanting to get good at it.
“I spent 26 or 27 years in coaching, 18 of them in the NFL. I want to focus on this and get better every day.”
Gruden has earned two Sports Emmy Award nominations for his work in the “Monday Night Football” booth, where he is joined by play-by-play commentator Mike Tirico and analyst Ron Jaworski.
“This is my team,” Gruden said. “I loved doing this with these guys, keeping me close to the game. We have a lot of fun and hey, we love football.”
December 5th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
37.guest123 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Prior to his death in October 2011, Al Davis owned 47% of the Oakland Raiders per CSN Sports. Upon his death, this 47% equity stake in the Raiders was inherited by Al Davis’ wife, Carole Davis (Carol Davis). Accordingly, no estate taxes are currently due on the Raiders, since spouses have an “unlimited marital deduction.” But upon Carole’s passing, the team will be inherited by Mark Davis, the son of Al and Carole Davis. At this time, estate taxes will be due on the team.
Accordingly, Carole and Mark Davis will have to plan for estate taxes. For NFL franchises, selling an ownership stake to pay for the estate tax is most feasible. Other estate planning measures, such as life insurance policies and trusts, do not adequately cover the enormity of estate tax bills for $740 million franchises. Even though publically the Raiders have maintained that they engaged in sophisticated estate tax planning prior to Al Davis’ death, we do not believe that Mark Davis will be able to settle his estate tax bill upon his mother’s passing without selling at least a part of his eventual 47% ownership stake in the Raiders.
It is worth noting that the Raiders are not unique in this situation. Estate tax planning was the reason why the Spanos family retained Goldman Sachs in 2010 to explore a 30% equity sale in the team. (The Spanos family and Goldman Sachs are no longer exploring an equity sale for estate tax planning purposes.) Estate taxes were also the reason why Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez, the children of Georgia Frontiere, sold their 60% of the St. Louis Rams in 2010 to Stan Kroenke. The Frontiere children needed to pay their estate tax bill.
Estate taxes in 2012 will be 35%. Estate taxes in 2013 and beyond are less clear. Since federal estate taxes are a current source of Congressional debate, estate taxes are in flux. The Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 expires after 2012, at which time estate tax rates are set to increase up to 55%. This could change depending on Congressional action.
Accordingly, Carole and Mark Davis are faced with uncertainty regarding their estate tax situation. If Carole Davis were to pass away before 2013, Mark Davis would inherit not only the team but also an approximate $121 million tax bill.
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See, I had the perfect estate plan for Al Davis back in 2010…..when the estate tax lapsed….Al could have established residency in Oregon and utilized the death with dignity act in 2010 and left the team to Mark free of an federal estate tax.
SMH….what were you thinking Al?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
The day Al Davis sold/traded Jon Gruden to the Tampon Bay Fake Pirates was a very bad day in my life.
That was OUR super bowl to be had, wtf was Al thinking?
Maybe his WORST decision EVER….
December 5th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Not so bold prediction.. tp will play at least a down.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
where there is smoke there is firre.. mark and jon spent 3 days together prior to torch lightening. Im sure they were talking about how he broadcast games
December 5th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
69. play Pryor!
December 5th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
HAVE TO BEAT THE DONKEYS. Must win, don’t care if they don’t win again until summer of 2013, WIN THURSDAY’s GAME!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
The smile on Jon’s face greeting the lunatics in the black hole a few weeks ago spoke volumes about what he wants to do. Gruden is perhaps the only iconic figure that could replace another iconic figure in Oakland, and you know that he thinks about that since he was left in the snow of NE.”
A comment from the PFT article.. I agree
December 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Difficult to judge on DA and Reggie.
Apparently the first time they ever met was DAs interview. Reggie hired him during the second interview. At the DA intro presser Reggie likened it to a partnership where they both would be involved in everything instead of splitting work.
Recently Reggie says this is my football team….
December 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
The makers of Chucky Dolls are hoping Gruden returns to the Raiders.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
The guy who constantly says he talks to Amy Trask has flip flopped several times but most recently he’s been saying that gruden is coming back because SHE said so.. so that probably locks it up as a no return.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
JLofty Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Gruden seems pretty happy doing the broadcasting thing.
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I am positive Jon would come back to the NFL in a heartbeat. But there are reasons that he is not here. And the longer time goes on, the slimmer the chances of him coming back. Frankly, I think he should have taken the Tennessee Vols gig. Tom Cable or Raheem Morris will probably have HC gigs sooner.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
The makers of Chucky Dolls are hoping Gruden returns to the Raiders.
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Hahahaha no sh*t right? Those things would skyrocket
December 5th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Tom Cable as a HC in the NFL again?
LMAO….are there other insane, senile owners who would hire him? Ralph Wilson stil alive? He did hire Chan Gailey!
December 5th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
The reality is that new ownership typically wants their own people to run the show. But the fact that the Browns have been competitive in every game this year and have won two in a row (including a rare victory against the Steelers) and have a promising young nucleus of players makes us wonder whether the locals will make enough of a push for consistency and continuity to keep Heckert and coach Pat Shurmur in place.
Though the choice between Heckert/Shurmur and the unknown may result in a preference for Door No. 2, the Cleveland media seems to be lining up against the idea that Heckert should be replaced, if replacing Heckert means hiring Lombardi.
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Nice facts here on Lombardi to Cleveland.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
I think mark picked johns brain about this mess we’re in.. maybe even begged him to come back.. but gruden has the best job in the world.. He’d have to be some kind of compeditive nut to want back into coaching.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
If Jon Gruden wants a part of the team he may have to go Cougar hunting and catch him some Carol Davis….sweet talk her out of leaving the team to Mark.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Tom Cable as a HC in the NFL again?
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This being said by someone who supported Mitt Romney? If I had my choice of who to believe with regards to football coaching ability, either you or Pete Carroll, I might have to go with Pete Carroll. No offense.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Btw Gruden will be done for the year with his MNF gig in 12 days… now his free time to talk to Mark on the phone
December 5th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Raidersallday! Im right there with you brother! Nice utube clip!
December 5th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Tom Cable as a HC in the NFL again?
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Actually Cable has a better chance than Raheem Morris.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Tom Cable as a HC in the NFL again?
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Actually Cable has a better chance than Raheem Morris.
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And both have a better chance than DA after this year
December 5th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Any doubt about Gruden look at that utube clip!
December 5th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
81.Seymour Bush Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Tom Cable as a HC in the NFL again?
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This being said by someone who supported Mitt Romney? If I had my choice of who to believe with regards to football coaching ability, either you or Pete Carroll, I might have to go with Pete Carroll. No offense.
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If Tom Cable is ever named head coach of an NFL team again, I will buy you a Rachel Maddow poster. Assistant HC BS doesn’t count.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
The NFL has broadcasting buildings in LA… So it’s not outta the ordinary to see NFL owners in LA …
December 5th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
If Tom Cable is ever named head coach of an NFL team again, I will buy you a Rachel Maddow poster. Assistant HC BS doesn’t count.
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hahahahaha. good one. I will (hopefully) take you up on that Rachel poster! hahaha
December 5th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Trade DMAC!
December 5th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Mark Davis i dont care what u have to do to get Gruden back-just do it!!
December 5th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Jed York was also in that meeting in LA,..its a meeting that happens a lot…the league is going to probably expand by two teams,..one in each league,..both LA…relax. Remember Im at every game and Im on the sidelines with the powers that be pregame. Ok go on about your day now,..oh wait, this crap is your day, nevermind.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Bo!
Are you rooting for the Irish in the National Championship game?
Then you could at least say that the 2012 Wolverines lost to da champs!
December 5th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
You think any local beat writers would knows whats going on in the front office? heck no. They have zero sources. They all piggy back off national media.
Only three ppl know whats going on that JON GRUDEN, Mark Davis and his mother. Many ppl are forgetting about Carol. She cant be to happy that this org is moving like this after her husband Al passed on.
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Now Carol Davis is making football decisions? You guys are starting to lose it.
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Lmao
December 5th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
I will keep it real,..Amy told me sorry no way she chose me to be at The Oracle tomorrow,..said me and Patron and Elway dont mix,..smart lady.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
never said carol is making football choices.. but she influences her son mark.. scroll up and read what i said.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
98.boss01 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
71.DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
57.RaiderDanny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Google Gruden lighting Oakland flame! Gruden with his black Raider visor!! I believe Johnny!!
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I know…I saw that pic. Brings back good memories of when we were a real good team that people feared.
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When I said on here Gruden lightning the torch signaled his return people took me literally and thought it was a stupid thing to say.
I am pretty sure when Gruden was in Alameda for that ceremony he had to have crossed paths with Mark, which most likely resulted in a conversation between the two. I am pretty sure if they had a conversation that maybe, just maybe the subject of the current state of affairs as it pertains to these sorry a$$ Raiders was brought up by Mark who no doubt seeked Gruden’s opinion on what his approach would be to try to fix the mess.
Gruden probably voiced his displeasure about the ZBS, how the talent on the roster was misused, probably identified to Mark the check cashers that needed the boot.
That conversation IMO has led to this rumor we keep hearing about.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Has Hub or PFW ever scooped a major story ?
I strongly doubt that Hub has any source(s) within the Raid front office.
I think Hub saw Gruden light the torch and knew this meant that Mark and Jon had been in communication. Reasonable to assume that Davis inquired if Gruden had any desire to coach again and the possibility of one day returning to the Raids was broached.
So now Hub decides to run with this ’scoop’ even though in reality PFW has no inside information whatsoever.
Hub and PFW get lots of publicity and web site hits.
Hub doesn’t lose face if Gruden doesn’t return to the Raids – as all he ever claimed was that there were ‘discussions’.
I’d welcome Gru back, but I strongly doubt it’s in the works.
Think HUB is embellishing things to get publicity.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Ok i will ask is it out of the the question Mark wouldnt make a pitch to GRUDEN esepcially after this horrible season.
If not this season then next??
December 5th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
I think Hub saw Gruden light the torch and knew this meant that Mark and Jon had been in communication. Reasonable to assume that Davis inquired if Gruden had any desire to coach again and the possibility of one day returning to the Raids was broached.
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So….you think this guy invented, and then reported, a story based on seeing Mark and Jon together? Really?
Really?????
Cmon man. You guys kill me on here sometimes
If anything, Gruden is building leverage for his next job, having his agent float the story out there. Or perhaps he is simply listening to what Mark has to say. There is undoubtedly SOMETHING to this story, though probably not much. Or maybe there is. Only a few people really know.
But to suggest that this guy simply made up this story of his own accord?
Wow
December 5th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Even if it is FAKE the response is getting back to the Organization from the fans!! Still a good thing
December 5th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Do you people remember when we all called the Raiders to voice our concerns over the report that Al Davis was still calling the shots on defense?
Most of you probably were not here back then….
December 5th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Taking a wait and see attitude about this crappy a$$ football team would be a complete and utter example of mismanagement. I don’t think Reggie or Mark is that stupid. Things will change, it’s just a matter of how much will they change?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
I am pretty sure that after a few hundred calls they finally sent Rob fkin Ryan out at a presser to try and dispel the rumor.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Strength in numbers Raider fans across the Nation asking for GRUDEN!!! So it shall be!
December 5th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
GRUDEN WONT SAY NO!!
December 5th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
http://www.facebook.com/BringJohnGrudenBackToTheRaiders
Add your name to the list!!
December 5th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Were talking to him right now Raider Nation! They hear us!
December 5th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
If Gruden is hired! DA forgotten in 2minutes!
December 5th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Where is John Herrera? Usually he pops about right about now to tell all the media people how dumb they are!
I know you no longer work for the Raiders, but give us an update anyhow Herrera!
December 5th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I think it would behoove Mark to ask DA back as DC if Gruden comes back to the sidelines. That way Mark won’t eat his contract and considering Gruden’s stature and football acumen, DA would graciously accept the position so he can learn how a real HC is supposed to do it.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
But to suggest that this guy simply made up this story of his own accord?
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Yeah, floundering journalists would NEVER do that.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
111.boss01 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I think it would behoove Mark to ask DA back as DC if Gruden comes back to the sidelines. That way Mark won’t eat his contract and considering Gruden’s stature and football acumen, DA would graciously accept the position so he can learn how a real HC is supposed to do it.
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Pump the brakes! Was DA even a good DC in Dungver????
December 5th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
boss01 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I think it would behoove Mark to ask DA back as DC if Gruden comes back to the sidelines.
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That NEVER happens. Let’s just say some of you guys are the assistant manager over at your local Blockbuster. And you get fired, but they ask you back to clean the toilets and shelve the movies. Are you taking that gig?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RaiderDanny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Strength in numbers Raider fans across the Nation asking for GRUDEN!!! So it shall be!
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Uh, actually the Raider org has learned that whatever the Raider Nation wants, to do the exact OPPOSITE!
December 5th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
114.Seymour Bush Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
boss01 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I think it would behoove Mark to ask DA back as DC if Gruden comes back to the sidelines.
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That NEVER happens. Let’s just say some of you guys are the assistant manager over at your local Blockbuster. And you get fired, but they ask you back to clean the toilets and shelve the movies. Are you taking that gig?
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Pft, it was MOVIE GALLERY, and I only took the demotion to keep my insurance!
December 5th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
would reggie be contacting someone about a hc position with the position currently filled?
i doubt he’d be that unprofessional
December 5th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
117.inonewordraider Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
would reggie be contacting someone about a hc position with the position currently filled?
i doubt he’d be that unprofessional
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True….and I don’t think most coaches would listen to any offer unless the current HC was already out the door.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
114.Seymour Bush Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
boss01 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I think it would behoove Mark to ask DA back as DC if Gruden comes back to the sidelines.
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That NEVER happens. Let’s just say some of you guys are the assistant manager over at your local Blockbuster. And you get fired, but they ask you back to clean the toilets and shelve the movies. Are you taking that gig?
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Yeah if I go from CEO of a company to assistant VP, and I get to keep the same salary, I wouldn’t think twice about it. Same pay, less responsibility, and I get to learn from Bill Gates himself. What’s there to think about.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
113.Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
111.boss01 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I think it would behoove Mark to ask DA back as DC if Gruden comes back to the sidelines. That way Mark won’t eat his contract and considering Gruden’s stature and football acumen, DA would graciously accept the position so he can learn how a real HC is supposed to do it.
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Pump the brakes! Was DA even a good DC in Dungver????
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To me he was average at best…but hey he does have that “IT” factor…lmao
December 5th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Susan Slusser @susanslusser
Scott Boras, baseball’s most high-profile agent, says allowing #Athletics move to San Jose would be in the best interests of the sport.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
DA is being demoted to cleaning toilets?
December 5th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Not anymore! Seymour
December 5th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
From the Onion:
“I feel like the last of a generation,” Raiders wideout Darrius Heyward-Bey(notes) told reporters Friday, stressing how proud he is to be part of a fraternity of lightning-quick but sloppy and stone-handed pass catchers drafted by Oakland who never panned out. “My heart really breaks for all the super-fast kids who can’t catch in college and high school right now. Who will draft and ultimately wind up disappointed with them?” The Raiders announced that at halftime of Sunday’s game they will honor Davis for employing most of the NFL’s talentless speedsters over the past 25 years, with Heyward-Bey, Denarious Moore, Jacoby Ford(notes), Louis Murphy(notes), Arman Shields(notes), Chaz Schilens(notes), Johnnie Lee Higgins(notes), Jonathan Holland(notes), Kevin McMahan(notes), Carlos Francis, Johnnie Morant, Doug Gabriel(notes), Ryan Hoag(notes), Ken-Yon Rambo, Jerry Porter(notes), Dameane Douglas, Olanda Truitt, Raghib Ismail, Ron Lewis, Gary Gooden, Mike Alexander, and Larry Shephard all expected to participate.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
117.inonewordraider Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
would reggie be contacting someone about a hc position with the position currently filled?
i doubt he’d be that unprofessional
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True….and I don’t think most coaches would listen to any offer unless the current HC was already out the door.
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This is where the story goes off track: lst off Reggie would not be talking to Gruden. Secondly, Gruden would not be talking about taking a HC job, he would want some say in personnel and total football ops. So, the story has to be Mark Davis approached Gruden about taking a big role in the team even tho he just hired McKenzie 7 months earlier. Which would go against the wishes of his father who built the brand and his fathers hand picked closest advisors.
Or some journalist who few people have ever heard of is trying to make a name for himself. You decide.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Susan Slusser @susanslusser
Scott Boras, baseball’s most high-profile agent, says allowing #Athletics move to San Jose would be in the best interests of the sport.
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Scott Boras, is now discussing what is in the best interests of MLB????? BwhahhhhAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
BWHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
anybody with an ounce if business intelligence knows that Gruden would bring the Raiders franchise a lot of $$$. MD has enough sense to see that and is probably trying to get him back in a major role. its good business.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
OH SHYYT
95.7 the game Co HOST RICH BUCHER is reporting that these stories are true. When he heard the story break yesterday.. he reached out to his contacts at ESPN and other national guys he established with.
Rick was told these stories are LEGIT… Rick was told GRUDENS represenatives have been in contact with Mark Davis and the raiders.
Rick says it would be strictly HC coaching job and another role. Said Mckenzie would stay on. However the starting PRICE would be at 5 million a year.
Rick doesnt know if the raiders have that much to give. HOwever he said if GRUDEN came back it would be sold out stadiums and new STADIUM.. he would be brought back like a Parade.
Rick said his contacts at espn do say GRUDEN IS COMING BACK TO THE LEAGUE..its just a matter of WHEN
F’n wow. BTW ARKUSH will be on THE GAME at 545.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
I have to go. This site has gone from the idiotic to the just plain ridiculous.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
From the Onion:
“I feel like the last of a generation,” Raiders wideout Darrius Heyward-Bey(notes) told reporters Friday, stressing how proud he is to be part of a fraternity of lightning-quick but sloppy and stone-handed pass catchers drafted by Oakland who never panned out. “My heart really breaks for all the super-fast kids who can’t catch in college and high school right now. Who will draft and ultimately wind up disappointed with them?” The Raiders announced that at halftime of Sunday’s game they will honor Davis for employing most of the NFL’s talentless speedsters over the past 25 years, with Heyward-Bey, Denarious Moore, Jacoby Ford(notes), Louis Murphy(notes), Arman Shields(notes), Chaz Schilens(notes), Johnnie Lee Higgins(notes), Jonathan Holland(notes), Kevin McMahan(notes), Carlos Francis, Johnnie Morant, Doug Gabriel(notes), Ryan Hoag(notes), Ken-Yon Rambo, Jerry Porter(notes), Dameane Douglas, Olanda Truitt, Raghib Ismail, Ron Lewis, Gary Gooden, Mike Alexander, and Larry Shephard all expected to participate.
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What the hell no James Jett, so disappointing
December 5th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Its on the game right now. RIC BUCHER wanted to see if these rumors were legit..
he reached out to his contacts at espn.. and did say that there has been contact between the two parties.
just telling u what is being said
December 5th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Or some journalist who few people have ever heard of is trying to make a name for himself. You decide.
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Even PFW reported that the Reggie’s immediate future is being discussed. So Reggie is probably on the hot seat himself if PFW’s source is legit.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
anybody with an ounce if business intelligence knows that Gruden would bring the Raiders franchise a lot of $$$. MD has enough sense to see that and is probably trying to get him back in a major role. its good business.
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Only if he wins. If Gruden came back, with the team in the current state it is in, and there is nothing to think that it instantaneously miraculously will be infinitely better, and he goes 5-11, you all will turn on him as well.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Ric Bucher is not some small journalist.. the guy has been a national figure and has alot of contacts.
He is cosigning the story
December 5th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
8m95.7 The Game@957thegame
Raider Nation, @RicBucher has sources that confirm that Jon Gruden and the #Raiders have spoken. Tune in to find out the latest info…
December 5th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Rick bucher said THE RAIDERS and JON GRUDEN have mutual interest right now
December 5th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Ric Bucher the same guy that said Kobe would never play for the Lakers again…Right…
December 5th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
anybody with an ounce if business intelligence knows that Gruden would bring the Raiders franchise a lot of $$$. MD has enough sense to see that and is probably trying to get him back in a major role. its good business.
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Only if he wins. If Gruden came back, with the team in the current state it is in, and there is nothing to think that it instantaneously miraculously will be infinitely better, and he goes 5-11, you all will turn on him as well.
>> the team would actually compete. Gruden would go offense and draft for that OLINE. power running game, with short intermediate passing game. actually pretty much what is being run in NE with brady right now.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit, thanks for the updates
December 5th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Ric bucher worked at espn for a long time.. he is just confirming there has been talks.
Everybody wants to shoot down gruden is not coming back.. He is jsut stating that there has been talks.
SO thats ARKUSH.. and RIC bucher who said an espn exec has told him that there is talks
December 5th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
95.7 the game Chris townsend said that KEN HEROCK flew on a plan to attend the Raider and brown game.. said he was evelauting the whole time.
he said why would ken herock fly back to watch a 3-8 teams play.
He said Mark Talking to Gruden ..ken herock flying back.. just goes to show you whatever MARK DAVIS BOUGHT INTO before these season.. he is DEF not buying now RE: (DA)
Im telling u guys.. where there is smoke there is firre
December 5th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
95.7 the game Chris townsend said that KEN HEROCK flew on a plan to attend the Raider and brown game.. said he was evelauting the whole time.
he said why would ken herock fly back to watch a 3-8 teams play.
He said Mark Talking to Gruden ..ken herock flying back.. just goes to show you whatever MARK DAVIS BOUGHT INTO before these season.. he is DEF not buying now RE: (DA)
Im telling u guys.. where there is smoke there is firre
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Still hopin’ and prayin’ and wishin’
December 5th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
I’m pinging every sports writer I know on twitter. I’m trying to get some answers!
December 5th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
We can only hope
December 5th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
I am stunned that gruden rumors have legs. I already feel sorry for Reg & DA
Which semi or semis will be the most upset if reg gets canned for Gruden and company?
December 5th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Just 5 true Raider fans on this blog!
December 5th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Gruden might want a HC/GM dual role like bellicheat has in NE
December 5th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
This is not like Tennesee where the coach was fired and they are looking.
This is serious. Just the rumor is enough to affect reg and DA. If there is no truth to it Gruden should have already come out and put a stop to it for the sake of the current coach/gm
So I am inclined to think mits serious
December 5th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
148.manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Gruden might want a HC/GM dual role like bellicheat has in NE
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I truly hope its just input into personnel, not the actual GM gig, then again, Reggie has not given me any reason to date to want him back
December 5th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
it would be easy to improve 3-13…
December 5th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
5 true Raider fans?
December 5th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
WOW! Some PISSED OFF Raiders fans calling into 95.7. Sounds like outside of this blog, most of the Nation is not on board with this.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Reggie had a tough row to hoe, I’m inclined to give another year, but DA should’ve had our boys ready and he just didn’t, day in and day out.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Agree, im sure people calling Gruden. And no comment!
December 5th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
WOW! Some PISSED OFF Raiders fans calling into 95.7. Sounds like outside of this blog, most of the Nation is not on board with this.
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What are they saying? and Why would they be ticked off?
December 5th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
I would envision Gannon, Romo (reaching & hoping), Rod Woodson & Wiz to be back as assistants under Gruden.
Krapp, Tarver, Hoffman & the rest of the bums will get the boot.
That alone is worth 2-3 wins.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Did you know that Police woke belcher up that morning as he slept in his Bently?
Everytime the cops woke me up I went to jail even when I they never found the keys
December 5th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
If Gruden comes in and that means not only DA gets fired but Reggie as well??? Ohhh man i may just cry tears of joy… talking about killing 22 birds with 1 stone. Yesss. That’ll mean that big ole gut of his cost him his job before it even got started.lol Big dummie firing hue could go down as the biggest mistake in his career if he gets the axe.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
What are they saying? and Why would they be ticked off?
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Al mortgaged the team’s future on a bunch of has-beens. Mark Davis – apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. This team is not the same team as last year. Continuity. Gruden will also want to run the outdated WCO.
Those were some of the gems.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Really? #153
December 5th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
#161 – I heard five different callers. Three were decidedly against the idea. One wasn’t real keen on Gruden (the WCO comment), but wants DA gone at all costs. And the final caller was pro-Gruden.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
What are they saying? and Why would they be ticked off?
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Al mortgaged the team’s future on a bunch of has-beens. Mark Davis – apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. This team is not the same team as last year. Continuity. Gruden will also want to run the outdated WCO.
Those were some of the gems.
>> look at the Patriot offense this year.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Those first two callers were weak.. bunch of crybabies..
They rather have a Portland state WR coach in DA then a superbowl winning coach..
I heart priest..lol only thing he was right about was getting DA OUTTA HERE. Priest Rich Eisen was just on with PAPA at 230.. he said the only way Gruden would come back is if they had a young qb like Kapernick or Rg3.
Papa mentioned that JON GRUDEN loves TERRELLE PRYOR.. then EISEN said oh well there u go.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
I am all aboard for Reggie/DA however it will be hard to say no to Gruden.
I bet the team is moving to LA and that’s why Chuckie has his nose in Marks shorts.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
the Gruden rumors alone are disaterous for the current regime and the FACT that gruden and/ or davis haven’t come out to deny them, IMO confirms them. ever work at a job when you KNEW you were getting laid off in a week? motivation drops
December 5th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
btw one intersting point Townsend made.
Said if your flirting with GRUDEN you better bring him in all the way cuz if u dont.. then whats that say about da or what does he feel?
EITHER WAY DA is not gonna last here if u are talking about GRUDEN already and the season aint even over
December 5th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
also another intersting point.
GRUDEN coming to the Raiders alone could finance a new stadium and investors..
His salary would basically payoff with the stadium seats filled alone.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Dennis Allen is having a really bad week
December 5th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
it would be easy to improve 3-13…
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Agreed. Even if it werent Gruden next year, anyone but DA should be an upgrade. People can point to cap, talent, etc. all they want. I was OK with Hue leaving, but I find it hard to imagine that this team would look this bad if Hue were still coaching. I find it hard to believe that the team would look this bad if Tom Cable were coaching. Even if I was to speculate, and there is no proof for any of this of course, but I would still have a hard time believing that this team would look this bad if ANY of the other initially rumored coaches would have taken over, be it Winston Moss or even Mike Tice, bad as he is.
Through all of this, the one thing I see the most clear is that the majority of Raiders fans are not impressed with Dennis Allen and are just ready to move on.
Dennis Allen is simply not HC material. From one human being to another, good for him for getting one of the best jobs in America and making a nice piece of change for himself. Hes been given an opportunity many people could only dream of, and hopefully, hes been able to learn from the experience. I wish him well in his future endeavors in this life. But he will not be coaching the Oakland Raiders much longer.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
I meant i heard priest on the radio lol
December 5th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Its one thing for Chuckie to do this in the offseason to a coach but it is unheard of for something like this 3/4 through the season.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
either way i told u these local writers kno jack shyyyt.
watch tonight.. they will have some blog entry.. REPORTS ARE GRUDEN TALKING TO RAIDERS lmao.. chumps
December 5th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
They gave a little Gruden talking about coming back to Raiders on radio on Oregon! So u know its getting around
December 5th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
btw one intersting point Townsend made.
Said if your flirting with GRUDEN you better bring him in all the way cuz if u dont.. then whats that say about da or what does he feel?
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Kinda like the whiners did to Alex Smith with the Manning talks in the offseason. What that ended up saying is that you should be replaced by a second year, completely unproven talent.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
either way i told u these local writers kno jack shyyyt.
watch tonight.. they will have some blog entry.. REPORTS ARE GRUDEN TALKING TO RAIDERS lmao.. chumps
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Jerry McDomald was the ghostwriter for Gruden’s book. The national guys don’t have to beg for admittance to the facilities.
They may have heard something, but will not comment until its front and center, or some more substantial news.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
yeah for this “rumor” to be floating around during the season is unheard of and THEN nobody involved denies it. If mark davis wanted Gruden why the hell didn’t he get him BEFORE he hired RM? Mark davis might have a little ADHD going.
December 5th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Everyone stop talking and start walking! YOUR FIRED!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
These rumors about Gruden are being fanned by Ricky’s!! lol
December 5th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
either way i told u these local writers kno jack shyyyt.
watch tonight.. they will have some blog entry.. REPORTS ARE GRUDEN TALKING TO RAIDERS lmao.. chumps
>> Yeah Paul G was saying it didn’t make any sense, Guess Paul G isn’t part of the “cool” crowd
December 5th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
This just in.
Mark is going to pay Gruden whatever he wants.
Mark has demonstrated that he will listen to old time Raiders and he knows that he will be unable to retain control of the franchise due to inheiritance tax and fiscal cliff.
Unless he can fill seats and move the team to LA he will need to sell to finance the tax. This is a last ditch effort.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
Jerry McDomald was the ghostwriter for Gruden’s book. The national guys don’t have to beg for admittance to the facilities.
They may have heard something, but will not comment until its front and center, or some more substantial news.
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A lot of Amurricans have been trained to believe that everything should be reported as news first, then fact-checked later. You can thank Fox News.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Ricky Ricardo is a MF and his old lady is a pig. F Rickys. Charging fans money just to cram into his tiny bar…what a loser,..worlds worst toupee by the way.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
As for the callers, may be that those opposed are more vocal. I was at the Saints game and I can tell you the fans were decidedly pro-Gruden.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
Jerry McDomald was the ghostwriter for Gruden’s book. The national guys don’t have to beg for admittance to the facilities.
They may have heard something, but will not comment until its front and center, or some more substantial news.
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A lot of Amurricans have been trained to believe that everything should be reported as news first, then fact-checked later. You can thank Fox News.
>. aww of course the other networks are honest with us.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
Crazy few days.
I can believe that Mark Davis & Amy would love to have Gruden back.
I think also that if GRUDEN wants to come back, it will happen.
It would be a great business decision imo.
Funny how things in Raiderland are always “dramatic”
December 5th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Seymour doesn’t practice and only plays occasionally.
I guess he’s easing himself into retirement.
What will we do without his leadership?
December 5th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
@ raiderlen the drama is what makese it seo fun to be a fan. Lol
December 5th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Rickys =the smallest bathroom on Earth!
December 5th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Hopefully, the Raiders come out and compete tommorrow night.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
As far as Mark being “just like Al” there are some huge differences in this. Mark may just want who he feels are the “right guys” to run the team, whereas Al took an active game day role. Mark won’t do that.
Also, this would be the first time Raiders actually brought in a big name coach AFTER they became a big name. Al never did that.
Mark will stay out of game planning but he is not gonna just sit idly by and watch this team lose w/o a fight.
To me, that’s good news.
He wants us to have a team we can be proud of and imo he will pull out all the stops.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Oldschoolraider Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Seymour doesn’t practice and only plays occasionally.
I guess he’s easing himself into retirement.
What will we do without his leadership?
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LOL
No Kidding.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Gruden likes veteran QB’s. Never known for developing QB’s. Gannon in Oakland and the Brad Johnson in Tampa.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
@post 183 gruden2013 even worse than Don Trumps?
December 5th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
@ raiderlen the drama is what makese it seo fun to be a fan. Lol
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I’d prefer to put the drama aside and just get on with winning, but I’d be lying if I said Gruden coming back didn’t intrigue me.
If we were 9-3, none of this would be happening.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Gruden would have a VET QB in oakland already like it or not
December 5th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
@ raiderlen the drama is what makese it seo fun to be a fan. Lol
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I’d prefer to put the drama aside and just get on with winning, but I’d be lying if I said Gruden coming back didn’t intrigue me.
If we were 9-3, none of this would be happening.
>. if we were 9-3 with the schedule this team has had we’d be in the twilight zone. tough schedule this year
December 5th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Just lose baby!
December 5th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
I’m waiting for Herrera to deny the rumor until I believe it!
December 5th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
>. if we were 9-3 with the schedule this team has had we’d be in the twilight zone. tough schedule this year
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Ya,
You get the point.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
david shaw>jon gruden> DA
December 5th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
if gruden comes, let’s hope he’s simply coaching and selecting his staff (with Reggie’s input) with Reggie handling personell issues (with coaches input of course)
December 5th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
He wants us to have a team we can be proud of and imo he will pull out all the stops.
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Mark say’s he’s patient, but His patience is relative.
Compared to His Dad, He’s probably patient, to (Jobe),
not likely.
He’s in a unique position.
He loves Gruden, Gruden can be had at some point, and I think he wants to be the guy to land Him.
Just my opinion.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
I havent heard any real reporters talk about guden coming back. Sounds like nonsense. A made up story because we are nothing to talk about on the field..
December 5th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
love me some greg papa, but he sure is becoming a drama queen
December 5th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
My gosh, perfect situation. Super Bowl run after 2 yrs with Palmer in Chucky’s system. Just dreaming, lol
December 5th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Marks Hair Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
I havent heard any real reporters talk about guden coming back. Sounds like nonsense. A made up story because we are nothing to talk about on the field..
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Which reporter would validate this for you?
December 5th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
I don’t think Cork and Jerry would rumormonger this out of Respect for DA and the Org.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
The thing is RM and DA needed time to right the ship. If given time RM will, and I think given time DA will, but Gruden won’t be available next year. If you want him he comes now. DA and RM could be casualties of that.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Marks hair Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
I havent heard any real reporters talk about guden coming back. Sounds like nonsense. A made up story because we are nothing to talk about on the field..
>> so why don’t the DENY the rumor? this will have a detrimental effect on the current coaching staff and personnel, it defies common sense and is bad business to allow these “rumors” to float midseason like this.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Marks hair Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
I havent heard any real reporters talk about guden coming back. Sounds like nonsense. A made up story because we are nothing to talk about on the field..
>> so why don’t the DENY the rumor? this will have a detrimental effect on the current coaching staff and personnel, it defies common sense and is bad business to allow these “rumors” to float midseason like this.
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There won’t be an announcement until after the season I bet. and a lot of people have denied the rumors. Grudens agent being on of them.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
I don’t think Cork and Jerry would rumormonger this out of Respect for DA and the Org.
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Agree
They are at the facility regularly, and know all parties involved.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
How’s the weather up there in Jon Gruden fantasyland?
December 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Knowing that Al isn’t around to offer Shane the same contract, do we keep Lechler or roll the dice with King next year?
December 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
What reason could they have for doing this during the season? Gruden is gonna quit MNF and take over with three games left?
Chuckie better step up and say theres nothing to it. I lose respect for him the longer he waits
December 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
213.ESETERIK78 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
How’s the weather up there in Jon Gruden fantasyland?
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Bright and Sunny. Unlike reality land with DA, which is dark, gloomy with a high chance of failure.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
212.RaiderLen Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
I don’t think Cork and Jerry would rumormonger this out of Respect for DA and the Org.
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Agree
They are at the facility regularly, and know all parties involved.
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Plus Cork is madly in love with Dennis Allen
December 5th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Knowing that Al isn’t around to offer Shane the same contract, do we keep Lechler or roll the dice with King next year?
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Until the defense improves it doesn’t really matter. Does it?
Lechler can pin a team on the four, and 96 yards later the defense is looking at eachother “what just happened!?”
December 5th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Marks hair Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
I havent heard any real reporters talk about guden coming back. Sounds like nonsense. A made up story because we are nothing to talk about on the field..
>> so why don’t the DENY the rumor? this will have a detrimental effect on the current coaching staff and personnel, it defies common sense and is bad business to allow these “rumors” to float midseason like this.
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There won’t be an announcement until after the season I bet. and a lot of people have denied the rumors. Grudens agent being on of them.
>. when did grudens agent comment on the Raider rumors?
December 5th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Knowing that Al isn’t around to offer Shane the same contract, do we keep Lechler or roll the dice with King next year?
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Until the defense improves it doesn’t really matter. Does it?
Lechler can pin a team on the four, and 96 yards later the defense is looking at eachother “what just happened!?”
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Either Lechler takes a lot less money or we roll with King. Too many holes to fill.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
218.ESETERIK78 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Knowing that Al isn’t around to offer Shane the same contract, do we keep Lechler or roll the dice with King next year?
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Until the defense improves it doesn’t really matter. Does it?
Lechler can pin a team on the four, and 96 yards later the defense is looking at eachother “what just happened!?”
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Well then considering Lechler is our best defensive player, then i’d say it really does matter
December 5th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
nobody of any relevance has denied the rumor.nobody
December 5th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Scumballs = Mark and John
If this might happen at the end of the season then they should have had a plan if it leaked. Come out right away and stop it.
Especially with DA’s father passing.
I like it less every minute
December 5th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Either Lechler takes a lot less money or we roll with King. Too many holes to fill.
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It’ll still have to be top kicker money, but not record setting money like Davis gave him.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Knowing that Al isn’t around to offer Shane the same contract, do we keep Lechler or roll the dice with King next year?
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Until the defense improves it doesn’t really matter. Does it?
Lechler can pin a team on the four, and 96 yards later the defense is looking at eachother “what just happened!?”
>> yeah to give up a 96 yard game clinching drive AT home against a crap team with a rookie QB, rookie RB and no name WRS is a NEW low for the Raiders.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Knowing that Al isn’t around to offer Shane the same contract, do we keep Lechler or roll the dice with King next year?
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Until the defense improves it doesn’t really matter. Does it?
Lechler can pin a team on the four, and 96 yards later the defense is looking at eachother “what just happened!?”
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Either Lechler takes a lot less money or we roll with King. Too many holes to fill.
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Absolutely right. We ain’t paying a punter, until we pay for some quality LBs and DBs.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Mark and JON are not scumballs.
If the rumors are true, and they are in negotiation, until something is finalized, one way or the other, nothing is certain.
The scumballs would be those that are leaking information.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
We are now behind KC in the power rankings. Can anyone say DA’s done his job?
I’m as sad as anyone about Grady Allan, and I feel for DA and his family. This is about football. DA will be given the rest of the season, I bet, and then the heads will roll. There’s no point to do it any other way.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Lechler is alot more than just a punter. He’s also the only holder Seabass has ever had, have to take into consideration if it will affect Janakowski if he leaves.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Knowing that Al isn’t around to offer Shane the same contract, do we keep Lechler or roll the dice with King next year?
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As much as I have liked watching Lechler play over the years it’s time to move on from that contract.
King would make about 500k a year? compared to 5 mill a year.
Thats alot of money that could go to one or two FA’s.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Lechler is gone….period.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
I love Lechler, but that contract is wack!
December 5th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
230.Raiders for life Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Knowing that Al isn’t around to offer Shane the same contract, do we keep Lechler or roll the dice with King next year?
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As much as I have liked watching Lechler play over the years it’s time to move on from that contract.
King would make about 500k a year? compared to 5 mill a year.
Thats alot of money that could go to one or two FA’s.
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His contract is up after this year. King had some big boots in preseason but he also had a lot of line drives. We already know what we get from Lechler, and i’d take that at around 1-2 million.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
218.ESETERIK78 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Knowing that Al isn’t around to offer Shane the same contract, do we keep Lechler or roll the dice with King next year?
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Until the defense improves it doesn’t really matter. Does it?
Lechler can pin a team on the four, and 96 yards later the defense is looking at eachother “what just happened!?”
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Well then considering Lechler is our best defensive player, then i’d say it really does matter
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How?
We give up big yards and big points every game. No matter where the other team starts from. So if we can save some money and get some better defenders, I’ll downgrade at P and give up 10 yards in field position.
Tell me where having Lechler has ever made a difference to the end result? He’s been here forever, and we’ve still been one of the most generous teams in points allowed every single year. They had to travel further but the result never changed.
Not to mention that a lot of the time he boots the ball so far the coverage is too far behind it, and we get torched anyway.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
that 96 yard drive might be the worst I’ve seen given the circumstances, the opponent and being at home. Worse than the Lions choke job last year
December 5th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Lechler is alot more than just a punter. He’s also the only holder Seabass has ever had, have to take into consideration if it will affect Janakowski if he leaves.
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Lechler is also the emergency #3 QB. But he is still not worth that kind of jack.
And BTW, Hue Jackson was never in the running for the Cal job. They hired Sonny Dykes.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Lechler is alot more than just a punter. He’s also the only holder Seabass has ever had, have to take into consideration if it will affect Janakowski if he leaves.
>> who here wouldn’t go hold a ball for 5 million.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
HC Gruden
avril bryant houston shaughessey (Christo, Crawford)
wheeler te’o burris
hanson rogers-cromartie
branch huff
Veldheer Carlisle Wiz Bergstrom Long
Reece DMAC
Myers/Ausberry
CP/Pryor
Moore, DHB, Criner, Streater, Ford
KR/PR Ford
P Lechler
K Jano
December 5th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Ricky Ricardo is a MF and his old lady is a pig. F Rickys. Charging fans money just to cram into his tiny bar…what a loser,..worlds worst toupee by the way.
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Tell me about it. I tell ya what. I’ve had to watch those 2 go at before. It was Naaaaaaassssty! But it was like a traffic accident, couldn’t take my eyes off.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Lechler is alot more than just a punter. He’s also the only holder Seabass has ever had, have to take into consideration if it will affect Janakowski if he leaves.
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Lechler is also the emergency #3 QB. But he is still not worth that kind of jack.
And BTW, Hue Jackson was never in the running for the Cal job. They hired Sonny Dykes.
>> Hue jackson couldn’t even coach a fantasy football team
December 5th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Lechler is alot more than just a punter. He’s also the only holder Seabass has ever had, have to take into consideration if it will affect Janakowski if he leaves.
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Normally, I’d scoff at that remark. But after the debacle at long snapper, there may be some merit there. But still, you gonna pay a guy that kind of money to hold the ball?
December 5th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Again, Lechler’s contract is up after this year. He won’t make 5 million next year, he’s open for negotiation.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Raiders won’t make the Super bowl without Lechler.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Since the start of the 2007 NFL season there have been 35 games where the closing line favored the away team by 9.5 to 11.5 points. In these games:
The team like Denver won the game 26 times (74.3%)
The team like Oakland won the game 8 times (22.9%)
The team like Oakland did better against the spread, going 26-9 (74.3% ATS) and covering the spread by an average of 3.2 points
Will oak beat the spread?
Another beat down is going to be tough to forget about…
December 5th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
We give up big yards and big points every game. No matter where the other team starts from. So if we can save some money and get some better defenders, I’ll downgrade at P and give up 10 yards in field position.
Tell me where having Lechler has ever made a difference to the end result? He’s been here forever, and we’ve still been one of the most generous teams in points allowed every single year. They had to travel further but the result never changed.
Not to mention that a lot of the time he boots the ball so far the coverage is too far behind it, and we get torched anyway
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I think you need to see what an average punter looks like before you think it’s not that important. Lechler has had us spoiled for along time now. Getting rid of him isn’t going to improve our defense either.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Since the start of the 2007 NFL season there have been 35 games where the closing line favored the away team by 9.5 to 11.5 points. In these games:
The team like Denver won the game 26 times (74.3%)
The team like Oakland won the game 8 times (22.9%)
The team like Oakland did better against the spread, going 26-9 (74.3% ATS) and covering the spread by an average of 3.2 points
Will oak beat the spread?
Another beat down is going to be tough to forget about…
>. raiders did play the Falcons tough but that was a fluke IMO. Manning will have fun thursday.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
243.manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Raiders won’t make the Super bowl without Lechler.
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Finally, Someone gets it.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
We give up big yards and big points every game. No matter where the other team starts from. So if we can save some money and get some better defenders, I’ll downgrade at P and give up 10 yards in field position.
Tell me where having Lechler has ever made a difference to the end result? He’s been here forever, and we’ve still been one of the most generous teams in points allowed every single year. They had to travel further but the result never changed.
Not to mention that a lot of the time he boots the ball so far the coverage is too far behind it, and we get torched anyway
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I think you need to see what an average punter looks like before you think it’s not that important. Lechler has had us spoiled for along time now. Getting rid of him isn’t going to improve our defense either.
>> Not spending that 5 million of DEFENSIVE players instead of a punter won’t make the defense better either
December 5th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Remember, Amy trash didn’t want to hire gruden in 1998, she wanted bill belichick.
And she is running the raiders now…
December 5th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Until the defense improves it doesn’t really matter. Does it?
Lechler can pin a team on the four, and 96 yards later the defense is looking at eachother “what just happened!?”
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DUH!!!
God it pisses me off when they do that. How can they watch the film later and not feel like total dumb asses?
December 5th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Dakota Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Remember, Amy trash didn’t want to hire gruden in 1998, she wanted bill belichick.
And she is running the raiders now…
>> i would hire belichick over gruden too
December 5th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
>> Not spending that 5 million of DEFENSIVE players instead of a punter won’t make the defense better either
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Ok let me break it down. FOUR years ago, Shane Lechler signed a 12 million dollar contract. After 4 years, the contract expires. Teams and players are then allowed to negotiate a new contract that doesn’t have to be based upon the previous contract.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Scumballs = Mark and John
If this might happen at the end of the season then they should have had a plan if it leaked. Come out right away and stop it.
Especially with DA’s father passing.
I like it less every minute
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i think it is very funny that you would care about when and how a coach is fired or hired.
pro sports is a cut throat corporate entertainment business.
drama means publicity
coaching rumors equal publicity and possible ticket sales
pro sports has no integrity or morality
players are peices of meat and gladfiators, with no value once they remove thir helmets, and coaches are interchangable care takers.
ask john belcher , harry carson, junior seau and a host of others.
besides these players and coaches and orgs dont give a rats azz about the fans or what we think, they only want your dollars.
You romantic notions of integrity or principal in pro sports is foolish
davis and the raiders are no different than only other major cog in corporate business.
Tuna shouldnt be upset when sharks show off their teeth
December 5th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
The-Judge37
I think you need to see what an average punter looks like before you think it’s not that important. Lechler has had us spoiled for along time now. Getting rid of him isn’t going to improve our defense either.
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I fully appreciate his ability. But the bottom line is we don’t stop anyone. Teams haven’t just beat our defense, they’ve strolled through it without even sweating.
Field position has never been a factor because we are so bad. Teams can start at the two or the 37, it has never mattered. We miss tackles, assignments, and teams walk down the field.
December 5th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Spellcheck changed it to trash! Lol
December 5th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
>> Not spending that 5 million of DEFENSIVE players instead of a punter won’t make the defense better either
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Ok let me break it down. FOUR years ago, Shane Lechler signed a 12 million dollar contract. After 4 years, the contract expires. Teams and players are then allowed to negotiate a new contract that doesn’t have to be based upon the previous contract.
>. come on now, he was Paid 5 mil a year before do you really think he’ll take much of a pay cut after living off of that bloated deal. He’ll want something close to it. Lechler is gone
December 5th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
213.ESETERIK78 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
How’s the weather up there in Jon Gruden fantasyland?
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Bright and Sunny. Unlike reality land with DA, which is dark, gloomy with a high chance of failure.
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Lol
December 5th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
The-Judge37
I think you need to see what an average punter looks like before you think it’s not that important. Lechler has had us spoiled for along time now. Getting rid of him isn’t going to improve our defense either.
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I fully appreciate his ability. But the bottom line is we don’t stop anyone. Teams haven’t just beat our defense, they’ve strolled through it without even sweating.
Field position has never been a factor because we are so bad. Teams can start at the two or the 37, it has never mattered. We miss tackles, assignments, and teams walk down the field.
>> i would prefer a crappy punter with this defense. would rather see shorter TD drives by the opponent. makes the game move along
December 5th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
BEST post of teh day…and there have been some good one (even from me!)
AMEN!
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# DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
As far as Mark being “just like Al” there are some huge differences in this. Mark may just want who he feels are the “right guys” to run the team, whereas Al took an active game day role. Mark won’t do that.
Also, this would be the first time Raiders actually brought in a big name coach AFTER they became a big name. Al never did that.
Mark will stay out of game planning but he is not gonna just sit idly by and watch this team lose w/o a fight.
To me, that’s good news.
He wants us to have a team we can be proud of and imo he will pull out all the stops.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
>. come on now, he was Paid 5 mil a year before do you really think he’ll take much of a pay cut after living off of that bloated deal. He’ll want something close to it. Lechler is gone
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Do you think someone else will come even close to matching that? He scored one off Al, i don’t think his expectations are anywhere close to that but let’s say he wants 3 mill, no team will give him that. I think Shane can be kept for between 1.5 million. Which isn’t much of a cap hit.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
258.manassamauler Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
The-Judge37
I think you need to see what an average punter looks like before you think it’s not that important. Lechler has had us spoiled for along time now. Getting rid of him isn’t going to improve our defense either.
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I fully appreciate his ability. But the bottom line is we don’t stop anyone. Teams haven’t just beat our defense, they’ve strolled through it without even sweating.
Field position has never been a factor because we are so bad. Teams can start at the two or the 37, it has never mattered. We miss tackles, assignments, and teams walk down the field.
>> i would prefer a crappy punter with this defense. would rather see shorter TD drives by the opponent. makes the game move along
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Short fields make for quick TD’s, which means newer, higher scoring records set against the Raiders.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Paul Gutierrez @PGutierrezCSN
#Raiders officially deny “rumor” of talks with #JonGruden. #RaidersTalk
December 5th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
>. come on now, he was Paid 5 mil a year before do you really think he’ll take much of a pay cut after living off of that bloated deal. He’ll want something close to it. Lechler is gone
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Do you think someone else will come even close to matching that? He scored one off Al, i don’t think his expectations are anywhere close to that but let’s say he wants 3 mill, no team will give him that. I think Shane can be kept for between 1.5 million. Which isn’t much of a cap hit.
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If you’re correct then absolutely keep him, that’s a no brainer. If he expects more than 1.5 than it’s thanks for the memories.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
BEST post of teh day…and there have been some good one (even from me!)
AMEN!
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# DJ Johnny Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
As far as Mark being “just like Al” there are some huge differences in this. Mark may just want who he feels are the “right guys” to run the team, whereas Al took an active game day role. Mark won’t do that.
Also, this would be the first time Raiders actually brought in a big name coach AFTER they became a big name. Al never did that.
Mark will stay out of game planning but he is not gonna just sit idly by and watch this team lose w/o a fight.
To me, that’s good news.
He wants us to have a team we can be proud of and imo he will pull out all the stops.
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more silly sappy romantic crap.
guys whats with the holly jolly jingle bell bullshid?!?!/
Mark davis doesnt care about this blog or what or whom we are proud of. he doesnt care what we despise either.
mark cares about stone cold dollars and cents like any man running a major for profit business.
wow, you cats are in dream land just like you were when palmer signed.
lol
December 5th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
But I still feel like it doesn’t matter who’s kicking the ball until the defense has a backbone. The current squad renders a good high-priced punter useless.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
263.ESETERIK78 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
>. come on now, he was Paid 5 mil a year before do you really think he’ll take much of a pay cut after living off of that bloated deal. He’ll want something close to it. Lechler is gone
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Do you think someone else will come even close to matching that? He scored one off Al, i don’t think his expectations are anywhere close to that but let’s say he wants 3 mill, no team will give him that. I think Shane can be kept for between 1.5 million. Which isn’t much of a cap hit.
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If you’re correct then absolutely keep him, that’s a no brainer. If he expects more than 1.5 than it’s thanks for the memories.
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I agree, i really don’t trust King just yet. Shane still has a few more years in that boot.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
That kid KING can punt. Its not rocket science.
Save the 4.5M. Also, Lechler has been disappointing this year. Has he had ANY punts inside the 10? TOUCHBACK King this year. And he has had some ducks.
Also I don’t like him yucking it up after every blowout loss.
Thanks for your services, time to move on.org.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
>. come on now, he was Paid 5 mil a year before do you really think he’ll take much of a pay cut after living off of that bloated deal. He’ll want something close to it. Lechler is gone
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Do you think someone else will come even close to matching that? He scored one off Al, i don’t think his expectations are anywhere close to that but let’s say he wants 3 mill, no team will give him that. I think Shane can be kept for between 1.5 million. Which isn’t much of a cap hit.
>> 3 mil for a punter? punters should get a 1 mil cap. i would pay him 1.5 mil tops.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
>> 3 mil for a punter? punters should get a 1 mil cap. i would pay him 1.5 mil tops.
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Like i said, no team will pay him $3 mil, so he and his agent will have to come down to earth. And Earth is around 1.5 for a great punter. especially comming off a down year by his standards. Which i think had to do with his surgurey so close to the season opener. But i believe he’ll bounce back.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Mystic1
more silly sappy romantic crap.
guys whats with the holly jolly jingle bell bullshid?!?!/
Mark davis doesnt care about this blog or what or whom we are proud of. he doesnt care what we despise either.
mark cares about stone cold dollars and cents like any man running a major for profit business.
wow, you cats are in dream land just like you were when palmer signed.
lol
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I would hope he’s too busy to be reading these blogs. I don’t know if he’s as cutthroat as you say. He seems way too “howdy doody” to me. But he has said publicly that he wants a new stadium, and he’s open to all ideas, including another city. So, maybe you’re right.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Paul Gutierrez @PGutierrezCSN
#Raiders officially deny “rumor” of talks with #JonGruden. #RaidersTalk
>. Pauly G has the inside scoop. we’ll just roll with DA,knapp and tarver. sounds good
December 5th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Does anybody look at Palmer’s mechanics and think “elite”.
I don’t.
He’ll be here next year, only because we have nothing better, and then he needs to take a walk too.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
>> 3 mil for a punter? punters should get a 1 mil cap. i would pay him 1.5 mil tops.
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Like i said, no team will pay him $3 mil, so he and his agent will have to come down to earth. And Earth is around 1.5 for a great punter. especially comming off a down year by his standards. Which i think had to do with his surgurey so close to the season opener. But i believe he’ll bounce back.
>. so lechler has had an off year and we have a younger punter who has shown promise and will kick for 1 mil LESS. Lechler is gone
December 5th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
I dont pay paul Gutierrez any mind he’s a lame @$$ insider if you ask me, id rather listen to papa talk raiders because hes actually connected with the team, paul just works for Comcast hes more of an outsider than an insider in my mind.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Does anybody look at Palmer’s mechanics and think “elite”.
I don’t.
He’ll be here next year, only because we have nothing better, and then he needs to take a walk too.
>. Yeah palmer is NOT elite, but the only thing the Raiders have that are elite are the Raiderettes. but yeah palmer will be chucking up game costing INTS while throwing for 400 yds per game next year too
December 5th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 5th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
I dont pay paul Gutierrez any mind he’s a lame @$$ insider if you ask me, id rather listen to papa talk raiders because hes actually connected with the team, paul just works for Comcast hes more of an outsider than an insider in my mind.
>. yeah thats pretty much where I’m at
December 5th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Chucky is not coming home. I really hope I’m wrong though.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Post 276 it seems like no really tells him anything he just gets the company line, he never investigates or breaks any real news like a adam schefter or anything…
December 5th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Well its official now.
Paul G said so, was fun while it lasted.
December 5th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
>. so lechler has had an off year and we have a younger punter who has shown promise and will kick for 1 mil LESS. Lechler is gone
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What promise? He had a few good kicks mixed in with a few horrible line drives in 4 preseason games of work. Lechler is a proven pro bowler.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
They have to deny it! Its a PR move!
December 5th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Everyone will Deny it! Till seasons over! PR move! Sounds very true to me!
December 5th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Yea Raiders will come out and say yea we called Gruden for a HC job! Even though we got a full staff of Coaches with four games to go!!come on!
December 5th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
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December 6th, 2012 at 12:29 am
I live in LA (Manhattan Beach). I love the raiders and would welcome them in SoCal. However it probably won’t happen. In fact it’s VERY unlikely. The power brokers of LA want nothing to do with the Raiders. As often sighted on local sports talk programs. Specificvally, during the Raiders brief stint in LA, gangbangers specifically vatos adopted the team. Those vatos susequently ruined the live game experience for normal people and families, just as they are currently doing at Dodger stadium. Fights, stabbings and stupidity became far too uncommon. As a result of this rogue element the team is unwanted down here by the powers that be. The stadium would be too large to price them out. Unlike Staples and Lakesr tickets which most vatos can’t afford
December 6th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Seymour not playing Thursday
This is news? Is it not yet safe to say that Richard Seymour has already played his last game as an Oakland Raider?
Personal opinion, I think Seymour is just another vet who wasn’t buying what the staff was selling and decided to cash it in this season. This guy has been essentially being paid for nothing, all season. Must be nice.
With alot of hope and expectations when we got RS from the Pats, when you sum it up…he has been a spotty player. We need to move on from Seymour and get some committed talent!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Watching the video. LOL at the bit about Gruden having the receivers practice spiking the ball. This coaching staff we have right now can’t even be called upon to have A FRIGGIN BACKUP OPTON AT LONGSNAPPER!