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Seymour not playing Thursday, everyone else likely to play

Running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson were at full strength in practice Wednesday, and they are listed as probable for the game against the Broncos.
Therefore, it’s almost a certainty that fans will get their first look at McFadden and Goodson in a game since they suffered high-ankle sprains against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Nov. 4. Both missed the past four games.
Defensive tackle Richard Seymour tweaked a hamstring in the same game. He hasn’t been able to practice ever since, including Wednesday. As a result, Seymour was declared out for Thursday night’s game against the Broncos.
Defensive end Jack Crawford (toe) and cornerback Phillip Adams (concussion) are listed as questionable. The eleven other players on the injury report, including McFadden and Goodson, are listed as probable.
It appears as if the Raiders are as healthy as they have been all season going into a game, including the regular-season opener, when they were missing wide receivers Denarius Moore and Jacoby Ford.

– NFL commissioner Roger Goodell will be joined by former Raiders coach John Madden, former Raiders defensive lineman Howie Long and former Broncos quarterback John Elway at a fan forum at Oracle Arena on Thursday afternoon.
The forum will be attended by media and 150 fans selected from among the Raiders season-ticketholders. The event begins at 3 p.m., more than two hours before the Broncos and Raiders play.

– Given Long’s presence at the fan forum, it seems logical that he will be the one lighting the Al Davis ceremonial torch before the game.
The Raiders have not announced who will light the torch. I don’t recall seeing Long at any Raiders practices or games since they relocated to Oakland in 1995.

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  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Guest123 Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    If that’s the case Duck, then the tax bill just reset higher than $121 million.

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    Exactly. That’s when Ed Roski or AEG comes into the picture. Mark sells most of his stake, retains the title of Chairman of the Los Angeles Raiders, gets a lifetime suite in LA Stadium (or Farmer’s Field), and a bunch of corporate types take over. Well-funded corporate types who know the value in hiring a good football man to run things and then getting out of the way. If Reggie’s got this team on the upswing by then, they’ll probably just keep him in place.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    You think Carol doesnt have an influence on MARK get real? Mark is just like his mom.. he doesnt want to see his org fade out. Why do u think Marcus allen has come back? Gruden etc? Mark always says close friends of him and his mom.

    Mark pissed holding pressers.. and talking to DA already. This is not your normal orgnaization ..read Monte pools article.. Mark states that.

    BTW i really feel like some media writers, national media guys dont want too see the Raiders get better.. they dont want to see them get back on the top.. thats why they will do anything to crush rumors on anything raider related.

    IF this story came out and lets say the JETS/ COWBOYS.. in would be front and center on every news program.. type show. Its not question the WHINERS are the media darlings of the bay area

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    RaiderDuck Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Guest123 Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    Prior to his death in October 2011, Al Davis owned 47% of the Oakland Raiders per CSN Sports. Upon his death, this 47% equity stake in the Raiders was inherited by Al Davis’ wife, Carole Davis (Carol Davis). Accordingly, no estate taxes are currently due on the Raiders, since spouses have an “unlimited marital deduction.” But upon Carole’s passing, the team will be inherited by Mark Davis, the son of Al and Carole Davis. At this time, estate taxes will be due on the team.

    Accordingly, Carole and Mark Davis will have to plan for estate taxes. For NFL franchises, selling an ownership stake to pay for the estate tax is most feasible. Other estate planning measures, such as life insurance policies and trusts, do not adequately cover the enormity of estate tax bills for $740 million franchises. Even though publically the Raiders have maintained that they engaged in sophisticated estate tax planning prior to Al Davis’ death, we do not believe that Mark Davis will be able to settle his estate tax bill upon his mother’s passing without selling at least a part of his eventual 47% ownership stake in the Raiders.

    It is worth noting that the Raiders are not unique in this situation. Estate tax planning was the reason why the Spanos family retained Goldman Sachs in 2010 to explore a 30% equity sale in the team. (The Spanos family and Goldman Sachs are no longer exploring an equity sale for estate tax planning purposes.) Estate taxes were also the reason why Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez, the children of Georgia Frontiere, sold their 60% of the St. Louis Rams in 2010 to Stan Kroenke. The Frontiere children needed to pay their estate tax bill.

    Estate taxes in 2012 will be 35%. Estate taxes in 2013 and beyond are less clear. Since federal estate taxes are a current source of Congressional debate, estate taxes are in flux. The Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 expires after 2012, at which time estate tax rates are set to increase up to 55%. This could change depending on Congressional action.

    Accordingly, Carole and Mark Davis are faced with uncertainty regarding their estate tax situation. If Carole Davis were to pass away before 2013, Mark Davis would inherit not only the team but also an approximate $121 million tax bill.

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    IMHO, that $740 million figure is low. The Dodgers just sold for $2 billion. We (with even greater worldwide brand recognition) have gotta be worth at least half that.
    =================================================

    Again there are three things that you guys are not considering: lst, that they didn’t see this coming. Obviously, they did, and Davis could have had a VERY large life policy to offset this. 2ndly, Davis owns a lot of real estate. They could liquidate that and leave the team alone. If the estate is worth $1B and they need to come up with $150mm, that is not that large of a share of the team and they could probably sell part or finance part. Or both.

  • Marks hair

    A think a move to la is more likely than a gruden return to hc.

  • poprox13

    Has John Herrera denied the Gruden rumors yet? ;)

  • MarcusAllen

    So if you are Gruden do you stay in the cake job making around 5m guaranteed for 5 years.

    Or do you jump to a last place team with more problems than you even know with a potential ownership issue and a GM who says its ‘his’ team ?

    Not to mention a fan base with expectations.

    Money talks but Mark would have to pony up some serious coin.

  • JLofty

    HOWIE!!!!!!!

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Well Jon has already said he wanted to come back to coaching. PAPA confirmed the story two days ago. Gruden even called Al about coming back in 2009 before AL went to hue.

    Like i said GRUDEN is a competitve guy. He wants to cement his legacy as one of the greats. The guy is only 50. Its like a military figure. He wants to come back and take an organization back to greatness. You cant do that sitting in a booth choosing the easy path.

    PAPA even said JON GRUDEN said he wanted to come back to the Raiders because he had “UNFINISHSED BUSINESS” papa was shocked to hear that. Raiders have a special spot in grudens heart.

    U dont think Mark trys to court him and visca versa?? For all we know Gruden is asking mark to come back. Might even be a stake in the team

  • RaidingTexas

    Isn’t Troy Aikman a part owner of the Raiders? I thought I heard something about that years ago. He obviously has LA ties from his college days.

  • JLofty

    Gruden seems pretty happy doing the broadcasting thing.

  • 2-14

    I’m all for a HC with experience, and successful experience at that. I could care less if it’s Gruden or not. DA is not head coaching material and the sooner Reggie admits his mistake and moves on the better. Tomorrow will be the breaking point, in my opinion.

  • Raiderbuck
  • JLofty

    Jon Gruden’s return might cost $5-8 million in his salary but the return would offset that by a large margin. Just season ticket sales alone….

  • MarcusAllen

    “I said I want to get good at this,” Gruden said while preparing for the prime-time game at the New Jersey Meadowlands between the Dolphins and Jets. “I was serious about this from the day I started it and I am serious about wanting to get good at it.

    “I spent 26 or 27 years in coaching, 18 of them in the NFL. I want to focus on this and get better every day.”

    Gruden has earned two Sports Emmy Award nominations for his work in the “Monday Night Football” booth, where he is joined by play-by-play commentator Mike Tirico and analyst Ron Jaworski.

    “This is my team,” Gruden said. “I loved doing this with these guys, keeping me close to the game. We have a lot of fun and hey, we love football.”

  • Dakota

    37.guest123 Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    Prior to his death in October 2011, Al Davis owned 47% of the Oakland Raiders per CSN Sports. Upon his death, this 47% equity stake in the Raiders was inherited by Al Davis’ wife, Carole Davis (Carol Davis). Accordingly, no estate taxes are currently due on the Raiders, since spouses have an “unlimited marital deduction.” But upon Carole’s passing, the team will be inherited by Mark Davis, the son of Al and Carole Davis. At this time, estate taxes will be due on the team.

    Accordingly, Carole and Mark Davis will have to plan for estate taxes. For NFL franchises, selling an ownership stake to pay for the estate tax is most feasible. Other estate planning measures, such as life insurance policies and trusts, do not adequately cover the enormity of estate tax bills for $740 million franchises. Even though publically the Raiders have maintained that they engaged in sophisticated estate tax planning prior to Al Davis’ death, we do not believe that Mark Davis will be able to settle his estate tax bill upon his mother’s passing without selling at least a part of his eventual 47% ownership stake in the Raiders.

    It is worth noting that the Raiders are not unique in this situation. Estate tax planning was the reason why the Spanos family retained Goldman Sachs in 2010 to explore a 30% equity sale in the team. (The Spanos family and Goldman Sachs are no longer exploring an equity sale for estate tax planning purposes.) Estate taxes were also the reason why Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez, the children of Georgia Frontiere, sold their 60% of the St. Louis Rams in 2010 to Stan Kroenke. The Frontiere children needed to pay their estate tax bill.

    Estate taxes in 2012 will be 35%. Estate taxes in 2013 and beyond are less clear. Since federal estate taxes are a current source of Congressional debate, estate taxes are in flux. The Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 expires after 2012, at which time estate tax rates are set to increase up to 55%. This could change depending on Congressional action.

    Accordingly, Carole and Mark Davis are faced with uncertainty regarding their estate tax situation. If Carole Davis were to pass away before 2013, Mark Davis would inherit not only the team but also an approximate $121 million tax bill.
    ______________________

    See, I had the perfect estate plan for Al Davis back in 2010…..when the estate tax lapsed….Al could have established residency in Oregon and utilized the death with dignity act in 2010 and left the team to Mark free of an federal estate tax.

    SMH….what were you thinking Al?

  • JLofty

    The day Al Davis sold/traded Jon Gruden to the Tampon Bay Fake Pirates was a very bad day in my life.
    That was OUR super bowl to be had, wtf was Al thinking?
    Maybe his WORST decision EVER….

  • Marks hair

    Not so bold prediction.. tp will play at least a down.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    where there is smoke there is firre.. mark and jon spent 3 days together prior to torch lightening. Im sure they were talking about how he broadcast games

  • JLofty

    69. play Pryor!

  • JLofty

    HAVE TO BEAT THE DONKEYS. Must win, don’t care if they don’t win again until summer of 2013, WIN THURSDAY’s GAME!!!

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    The smile on Jon’s face greeting the lunatics in the black hole a few weeks ago spoke volumes about what he wants to do. Gruden is perhaps the only iconic figure that could replace another iconic figure in Oakland, and you know that he thinks about that since he was left in the snow of NE.”

    A comment from the PFT article.. I agree

  • MarcusAllen

    Difficult to judge on DA and Reggie.

    Apparently the first time they ever met was DAs interview. Reggie hired him during the second interview. At the DA intro presser Reggie likened it to a partnership where they both would be involved in everything instead of splitting work.

    Recently Reggie says this is my football team….

  • Dakota

    The makers of Chucky Dolls are hoping Gruden returns to the Raiders.

  • Marks hair

    The guy who constantly says he talks to Amy Trask has flip flopped several times but most recently he’s been saying that gruden is coming back because SHE said so.. so that probably locks it up as a no return.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    JLofty Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Gruden seems pretty happy doing the broadcasting thing.
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    I am positive Jon would come back to the NFL in a heartbeat. But there are reasons that he is not here. And the longer time goes on, the slimmer the chances of him coming back. Frankly, I think he should have taken the Tennessee Vols gig. Tom Cable or Raheem Morris will probably have HC gigs sooner.

  • theghostronin79

    Dakota Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
    The makers of Chucky Dolls are hoping Gruden returns to the Raiders.

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    Hahahaha no sh*t right? Those things would skyrocket

  • Dakota

    Tom Cable as a HC in the NFL again?

    LMAO….are there other insane, senile owners who would hire him? Ralph Wilson stil alive? He did hire Chan Gailey!

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    The reality is that new ownership typically wants their own people to run the show. But the fact that the Browns have been competitive in every game this year and have won two in a row (including a rare victory against the Steelers) and have a promising young nucleus of players makes us wonder whether the locals will make enough of a push for consistency and continuity to keep Heckert and coach Pat Shurmur in place.

    Though the choice between Heckert/Shurmur and the unknown may result in a preference for Door No. 2, the Cleveland media seems to be lining up against the idea that Heckert should be replaced, if replacing Heckert means hiring Lombardi.
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    Nice facts here on Lombardi to Cleveland.

  • Marks hair

    I think mark picked johns brain about this mess we’re in.. maybe even begged him to come back.. but gruden has the best job in the world.. He’d have to be some kind of compeditive nut to want back into coaching.

  • Dakota

    If Jon Gruden wants a part of the team he may have to go Cougar hunting and catch him some Carol Davis….sweet talk her out of leaving the team to Mark.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Dakota Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Tom Cable as a HC in the NFL again?
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    This being said by someone who supported Mitt Romney? If I had my choice of who to believe with regards to football coaching ability, either you or Pete Carroll, I might have to go with Pete Carroll. No offense.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Btw Gruden will be done for the year with his MNF gig in 12 days… now his free time to talk to Mark on the phone

  • RaiderDanny

    Raidersallday! Im right there with you brother! Nice utube clip!

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Dakota Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Tom Cable as a HC in the NFL again?
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    Actually Cable has a better chance than Raheem Morris.

  • 2-14

    Seymour Bush Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
    Dakota Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Tom Cable as a HC in the NFL again?
    ====================================

    Actually Cable has a better chance than Raheem Morris.
    __

    And both have a better chance than DA after this year

  • RaiderDanny

    Any doubt about Gruden look at that utube clip!

  • Dakota

    81.Seymour Bush Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
    Dakota Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Tom Cable as a HC in the NFL again?
    ===================================

    This being said by someone who supported Mitt Romney? If I had my choice of who to believe with regards to football coaching ability, either you or Pete Carroll, I might have to go with Pete Carroll. No offense.
    ______________________
    If Tom Cable is ever named head coach of an NFL team again, I will buy you a Rachel Maddow poster. Assistant HC BS doesn’t count.

  • fingers

    The NFL has broadcasting buildings in LA… So it’s not outta the ordinary to see NFL owners in LA …

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    If Tom Cable is ever named head coach of an NFL team again, I will buy you a Rachel Maddow poster. Assistant HC BS doesn’t count.
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    hahahahaha. good one. I will (hopefully) take you up on that Rachel poster! hahaha

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Trade DMAC!

  • RaiderDanny

    Mark Davis i dont care what u have to do to get Gruden back-just do it!!

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Jed York was also in that meeting in LA,..its a meeting that happens a lot…the league is going to probably expand by two teams,..one in each league,..both LA…relax. Remember Im at every game and Im on the sidelines with the powers that be pregame. Ok go on about your day now,..oh wait, this crap is your day, nevermind.

  • Dakota

    Bo!

    Are you rooting for the Irish in the National Championship game?

    Then you could at least say that the 2012 Wolverines lost to da champs!

  • SilverLining20

    Seymour Bush Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    You think any local beat writers would knows whats going on in the front office? heck no. They have zero sources. They all piggy back off national media.

    Only three ppl know whats going on that JON GRUDEN, Mark Davis and his mother. Many ppl are forgetting about Carol. She cant be to happy that this org is moving like this after her husband Al passed on.
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    Now Carol Davis is making football decisions? You guys are starting to lose it.
    +++++++++++
    Lmao

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    I will keep it real,..Amy told me sorry no way she chose me to be at The Oracle tomorrow,..said me and Patron and Elway dont mix,..smart lady.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    never said carol is making football choices.. but she influences her son mark.. scroll up and read what i said.

  • boss01

    98.boss01 Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
    71.DJ Johnny Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    57.RaiderDanny Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    Google Gruden lighting Oakland flame! Gruden with his black Raider visor!! I believe Johnny!!

    I know…I saw that pic. Brings back good memories of when we were a real good team that people feared.

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    When I said on here Gruden lightning the torch signaled his return people took me literally and thought it was a stupid thing to say.

    I am pretty sure when Gruden was in Alameda for that ceremony he had to have crossed paths with Mark, which most likely resulted in a conversation between the two. I am pretty sure if they had a conversation that maybe, just maybe the subject of the current state of affairs as it pertains to these sorry a$$ Raiders was brought up by Mark who no doubt seeked Gruden’s opinion on what his approach would be to try to fix the mess.

    Gruden probably voiced his displeasure about the ZBS, how the talent on the roster was misused, probably identified to Mark the check cashers that needed the boot.

    That conversation IMO has led to this rumor we keep hearing about.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Has Hub or PFW ever scooped a major story ?

    I strongly doubt that Hub has any source(s) within the Raid front office.

    I think Hub saw Gruden light the torch and knew this meant that Mark and Jon had been in communication. Reasonable to assume that Davis inquired if Gruden had any desire to coach again and the possibility of one day returning to the Raids was broached.

    So now Hub decides to run with this ‘scoop’ even though in reality PFW has no inside information whatsoever.

    Hub and PFW get lots of publicity and web site hits.

    Hub doesn’t lose face if Gruden doesn’t return to the Raids – as all he ever claimed was that there were ‘discussions’.

    I’d welcome Gru back, but I strongly doubt it’s in the works.

    Think HUB is embellishing things to get publicity.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Ok i will ask is it out of the the question Mark wouldnt make a pitch to GRUDEN esepcially after this horrible season.

    If not this season then next??

  • JONTRAIN

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    December 5th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    I think Hub saw Gruden light the torch and knew this meant that Mark and Jon had been in communication. Reasonable to assume that Davis inquired if Gruden had any desire to coach again and the possibility of one day returning to the Raids was broached.
    ***************

    So….you think this guy invented, and then reported, a story based on seeing Mark and Jon together? Really?

    Really?????

    Cmon man. You guys kill me on here sometimes

    If anything, Gruden is building leverage for his next job, having his agent float the story out there. Or perhaps he is simply listening to what Mark has to say. There is undoubtedly SOMETHING to this story, though probably not much. Or maybe there is. Only a few people really know.

    But to suggest that this guy simply made up this story of his own accord?

    Wow