Notes, quotes and observations from Raiders-Broncos game
By Steve Corkran
Thursday, December 6th, 2012 at 10:13 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Denver Broncos are churning out the victories like clockwork these days, while the Raiders are wondering when they’re going to win just one more game. Such is the nature of how these two teams are headed in opposite directions.
Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer said the Raiders aren’t real close to winning games right now, which counts as quite an understatement.
“I wouldn’t say that we’re on the cusp of it,” Palmer said. “I wouldn’t say it’s really close. Obviously, with some of the scores of these games and each week is something different. It’s been a handful of different things that have stopped us from being successful on offense, and I know you’ve just got to keep grinding, keep working.”
Head coach Dennis Allen said he liked what he saw from his team tonight.
“Our team fought tonight,” Allen said. “We came up on the short end of the stick. The Denver Broncos were the better team tonight, but our guys fought and that’s what I want to see the remaining three games of the year. I want to see our guys fight and compete because that’s what it takes to win in this league.”
– Tight end Brandon Myers caught one pass for 7 yards on Thursday night. That’s quite a turnaround from the 14 for 130 he recorded against the Cleveland Browns four days earlier.
The Broncos did a nice job of keeping tabs on Myers the entire game. Palmer targeted Myers only twice all night. On the one Myers didn’t catch, cornerback Champ Bailey intercepted the pass and returned it 18 yards.
– Rookie Rod Streater turned in another solid game. He caught four passes for 100 yards, including a nice grab of a pass in double coverage that turned into a 58-yard gain.
Streater amassed 96 yards receiving against the Browns and quietly is turning into Oakland’s most-reliable receiver.
Fellow rookie Juron Criner caught two passes for 24 yards. The only other pass thrown his way was right on the money, but Criner failed to haul it in.
For the record, it would have counted as a nice catch by Criner. I’m sure he’ll be the first to admit that he should have caught the ball. However, it’s likely that it won’t be considered a drop.
Darrius Heyward-Bey and Denarius Moore combined for nine catches for 125 yards. Heyward-Bey turned one of his receptions into a 56-yard touchdown by making a nice move near the sideline and finding a clear lane to the end zone.
– Running back Darren McFadden finally made his much-awaited return after missing four straight games with a high-ankle sprain.
As it turned out, McFadden looked no better than he did the first eight games when he averaged 3.3 yards per carry.
McFadden broke free for a 36-yard run at one point, but he averaged only 1.6 yards on his 10 other rushes.
Meanwhile, the Broncos backs racked up 143 yards on 36 carries, with Knowshon Moreno totaling 119.
“We wanted to give him an opportunity to get the ball and we did that … ,” Allen said. “The touchdown down there in the red zone on the screen play (to McFadden) was an outstanding
– The Broncos controlled the ball for a whopping 37 minutes, 19 seconds Thursday night. That’s one of the many benefits of having Manning at the control and the ability to complete a high percentage of passes.
Manning completed 26 of 36 passes for 310 yards and one touchdown. The Raiders sacked Manning three times, but almost every time the Broncos needed to convert a third-down play, Manning found an open receiver and kept alive drives.
Palmer actually finished with a higher passer rating than Palmer, for what it’s worth, which isn’t much. He completed 19 of 30 for 273 yards and two touchdowns.
Palmer’s decent showing was undone by the interception and a fumble at his own 2-yard line, which set up a Broncos touchdown that turned the game into a one-sided affair.
“Being backed up like that, I’ve got to throw the ball out of bounds,” Palmer said.
– Cornerback Phillip Adams did quite a fine job in extensive action tonight, with starter Michael Huff leaving the game with a wrist injury.
On one play, Adams recovered on a play that looked to be a sure touchdown and made a diving interception at the goal line.
“I was just doing what I was told to do,” Adams said. “It wasn’t anything too crazy.”
Adams played much better than Ron Bartell, the other starting cornerback. Time and again, Manning went after Bartell, and he enjoyed great success.
It’s unclear the extent of Huff’s injury. However, Adams made a convincing case for more playing time the final three games.
“I just keep working,” Adams said. “I just keep working every day and I try to put myself in the best positions possible for my teammates. They hold me accountable, and I hold them accountable. I always want to be where I need to be for them.”
– Second-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor was among the 46 players active for the Raiders for the second straight game. And, for the second straight game, Pryor did not play a single down.
At some point, the Raiders need to take a look at Pryor, especially if a game reaches the point where the outcome has been decided. That time should have been when the Broncos extended their lead to 26-7 late in the third quarter.
As it were, Palmer played the entire game for the 13th straight time.
“We’ve had a package in for Terrelle in both games,” Allen said. “But, again, like I said, we had 47 plays in the game tonight, so the situation didn’t play out. Terrelle will continue to be on our active game-day roster, and we’ll continue to carry a package of plays for him.”
– Allen spoke with the media for the first time since he returned from Texas, where he was with his family as his father passed away.
Allen departed for Texas after the Browns game Sunday night and returned Wednesday morning. His father, Grady, died Tuesday morning at the age of 66.
“I went home on Sunday and took my father off life support, and that’s not easy to do,” Allen said. “So, was it hard? Yeah, it was hard. But I know my father would want me to be here with this football team. And I wanted to be here with this football team. I’m sure you guys can imagine that it wasn’t an easy situation.”
Allen received widespread support from the Raiders, other teams and fans during his trying time.
“A ton,” Allen said. “A ton. I received a lot of support from a lot of different people. This organization has been outstanding to me, as far as that’s concerned. The players, the coaches, as well as countless friends, family, even people around the league, have been very supportive of this situation.”
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December 6th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
lmao…but we have no money…4 mil a year? sht, i know ushers at the stadium who know more football than DA…
December 6th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Al davis BEEP Sullivan’s mom in the BEEP and made her suck it afterwards.
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buh bye, Dork.
Just sent original to Cork.
Let me help with your new name.
Miss Nancy.
ya, that works.
See ya
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POST OF THE NITE!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Stadium was not at 85% capacity tonight….
So what happened?
Why wasn’t it blacked out?
Why do I personally know a hand full of people who were just GIVEN tickets outta thin air?
Is our OWNER buying his own seats and giving them away?
FIRE THEM ALL…..and start over AGAIN!
Unbelievable!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
“This organization has been outstanding to me, as far as that’s concerned.”
does that mean they havent been in other situations?
December 6th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Back-n-Black Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
News is San Diego is cleaning house…
Think Norv would be a better OC than Knapp? Doesn’t matter, Raiders won’t sign him even if he is…
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Absolutely. Norv’s a great OC. Several teams will be interested in him in that role.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
loving this: 3 losses away from not only the #1 pick in the draft, but many months of missdick and priest crying about how “unfair” they’re being to pryor for not playing him, or even better, not committing to him after he does play in the last game and goes 4-15 23 yards, with one 42 yard run. SPACE-AGE ATTACK!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
The thing is the Coaches and Reggie don’t want to play Pryor….cause he was an AL DAVIS pick….
And that is the only reason….
December 6th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Classic…
And as the Raiders are indeed creatures of habit, for dessert Palmer drove them down the field for the usual garbage time touchdown to make it seem a bit closer than it really was. The touchdown was a pass to Darrius Heyward-Bey he sprinted the last half the way for a 56-yard score.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
We suck.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
. Dr_robert Says: December 6th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
loving this: 3 losses away from not only the #1 pick in the draft, but many months of missdick and priest crying about how “unfair” their being to pryor for not playing him, or even better, not committing to him after he does play in the last game and goes 4-15 23 yards, with one 42 yard run. SPACE-AGE ATTACK!
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Yea cus palmer is really out there tearing it up right??? Pfft foh
*************actually yes, under the circumstances. no run game (dmc back to his usual pizz poor self), poor protection, sketchy receivers. and he’s EASILY our best qb.
but i’m a pryor an. but also a realist.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
AlDavisDeamonSpawn Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
We suck.
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this is the truth.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Man, in that previous post it’s clear the Broncos basically pity the Raiders. It’s like the Raiders are so sad right now that it’s beyond the point where they can take joy in it even though we’re supposed to be their worst enemy.
Just a reality check in Year 1 of the Chubby Checker-Dennis Allen error (err, era).
December 6th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Oh woe is my Raiders. Woe be unto them. This team needs Divine intervention. Woe is this team. We is in a world of hurt. Oh woe is us. The ground does not tremble anymore. We have gone limp. Oh such woe and misery. So much pain.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
I like how the national media ALWAYS talks about our past….never our future…..they want us to KEEP DA & RM so they can keep us down….
We’ll have to wait and see what happens….
Mark Davis, your move…
December 6th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
19/30 273 yards 2 td’s 1 int
if pryor had that stat line, missdick would cream his pants.
palmer can only deal with what he’s given.
dmc–other than his 36 yarder, he was 10 for 16. yep. it’s all scheme, isn’t it boys? oh wait. reece killed it when he was the starter.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Man, in that previous post it’s clear the Broncos basically pity the Raiders. It’s like the Raiders are so sad right now that it’s beyond the point where they can take joy in it even though we’re supposed to be their worst enemy.
Just a reality check in Year 1 of the Chubby Checker-Dennis Allen error (err, era).
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I’m tellin ya, Fox went soft on DA tonight. No doubt it my mind.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
This team had been on “Life Support” since DA was hired…
Looks like he tuned it off about 6 weeks ago, and we are finally realizing it.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
We have pAckages for him but the opportunity didnt present itsel??? Gtfoh the game was over early you just didnt want to play him tell the truth scum bag!!! Oh my will I rejoice when they fire your lose $SS. MAN I HATE DA.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
RRRAAAAAAIIIIIIDDDDDERRRRRRSSSSSS!! It is pretty obvious that these are the dumbest fans on earth.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Loser @SS*
December 6th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Raiders are in a world of woe and misery. So much sorrow and pain.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
We have pAckages for him but the opportunity didnt present itsel??? Gtfoh the game was over early you just didnt want to play him tell the truth scum bag!!! Oh my will I rejoice when they fire your lose $SS. MAN I HATE DA.
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not true. their “package” for him entails “getting used to dressing”. they did it. and i give him a grade of C. he accomplished it but it wasn’t a game changer.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
A New ERROR in Raider History, is how those STUPID ads are suppose to read….
December 6th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
I told Steve when the Donks were 2-3 that they would win at least 10 games this year. He said I was crazy and that 9 wins would take the division.
I’m getting a little tired of being right all the time. Of course, I was in favor of drafting JaMarcus and trading for MeAngelo, too. So maybe I was just due.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
loving this: 3 losses away from not only the #1 pick in the draft, but many months of missdick and priest crying about how “unfair” they’re being to pryor for not playing him, or even better, not committing to him after he does play in the last game and goes 4-15 23 yards, with one 42 yard run. SPACE-AGE ATTACK!
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A DA, Knapp Bootlicker all season, now he’s talking about the #1 draft choice. Priceless.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
. Los Raida Locos Says: December 6th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Chris In NY Says: December 6th, 2012 at 10:25 pm Man, in that previous post it’s clear the Broncos basically pity the Raiders. It’s like the Raiders are so sad right now that it’s beyond the point where they can take joy in it even though we’re supposed to be their worst enemy.
Just a reality check in Year 1 of the Chubby Checker-Dennis Allen error (err, era).
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I’m tellin ya, Fox went soft on DA tonight. No doubt it my mind.
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Yea he did even paul gutierrez said it looked as if the broncos took their foot ogf the gas at times
December 6th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Maybe the Raiders could get the league to give them a special deal and count Kaliff Barnes and Willie Smith as one player. Maybe the two them together could block one guy.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
All this pity from the Denver players. And to think, just two years ago, we beat them 59-14! In THEIR house!!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
A Raider fan fell off the upper deck tonight. Dumbest fans on earth.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
. Dr_robert Says: December 6th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
loving this: 3 losses away from not only the #1 pick in the draft, but many months of missdick and priest crying about how “unfair” their being to pryor for not playing him, or even better, not committing to him after he does play in the last game and goes 4-15 23 yards, with one 42 yard run. SPACE-AGE ATTACK! -,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,
Yea cus palmer is really out there tearing it up right??? Pfft foh
December 6th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Palmer has played well with no run game. But the better idea is to bench him and put someone in who has never played. And then we can have Lechler do the kicking and Janikowsky do the punting. Why not? Dumbest fans on earth.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
88.2romes Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
This same old tired song you sing does not go over well when the GM and HC do not even keep games close. Keep the next games within striking distance in the fourth quarter and a few more fans might come on board.
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46.mcfadden20. Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Bunch of losers , who think there is nothing wrong with the talent level just because we beat up on weak teams on our way to consecutive 8-8 seasons, oh but we didn’t lose like this blah blah blah , etc etc, stfu and actually look forward to improving the team with a new GM who would finally get to make his mark on the team with a first rd pick and actually money to grab a legit player in FA, and D coaches will finally have some one they can build their schemes around instead of going out there with the misfits , only guy you guys should be calling out is KNapp
December 6th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
I hate Knapp. He is a worthless POS!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
I like Palmer, but he is what he’s always been, a 85 passer rating heartbreaker.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
We have no run game mainly because of Knapp. He ruined our effin’ offense!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Palmer’s got 13 million coming next year, so he’s got to keep his mouth shut.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
But we played so hard for Allen, and he lost his father and BLAH BLAH BLAH. Who really gives a f#%k the man is a bum had the opportunity to put in Pryor and humor us but didn. He essentially said “I dont care to give you guys something to watch for” he dont care about Raider Nation, why should we!
December 6th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
You guys ever seen Jay Glazer interview guys on NFLN?
He now ranks the highest onmy list as most irrtating interviewer I have ever see/heard.
He interviewed Aaron Rodgers and McCARTHY and it was actually uncomfortable to watch. He tried to be cute and funny with ‘em acting he was their good buddy and giving them crap and they were acting like “WTH is up with this dork”?
At the end of each interview he gives each guy some crap about something personal and he always ends up just irritating them.
It’s of no consequence just wondered if anyone had the same take.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
No but itd be nice to see a player who can move the chains even when plays ak down, a pler who instead of standing there throwing a pick six out of fear of getting sacked or taking a sack fumble will scramble out of thse pocket and make something happen. Either way we arent winning games or making the playoffs so why not give the kid a chance to gain some experince and prove himself WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE. You act like were benching palmer in the midst of a playoff run or something, the season is over atleast make use of these last few meaningless games by using them to evaluate the talent on your roster. Truth is no one knows how great or how awful pryor is because weve yet to see him in a real game… You sound like the dumb 1 to me. How can you evaluate a guy and say he cant play when youve never really seen him plAy? Fkn losers I swear, its always the people who think they know everything that prove they know nothing, because if you knew everything youd know no one knows everything. Smh
December 6th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Palmer has blown 3 games on his own… Atl, tampa, cleveland… He hasnt played well in my mind. Hes been a liability thus far.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
YEAH! lets just leave Palmer in and let him pad them stats you know since he’s done so much for this team, we owe it to him lol. God the Palmer defense got old like 4 weeks ago dudes a bum
December 6th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
RockyMountainRaider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
But we played so hard for Allen, and he lost his father and BLAH BLAH BLAH. Who really gives a f#%k the man is a bum had the opportunity to put in Pryor and humor us but didn. He essentially said “I dont care to give you guys something to watch for” he dont care about Raider Nation, why should we!
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He can’t play Pryor cuz he’s so fully committed to…(cough, cough) winning football games.
If he was smart he would play Pryor next week…start him so he has an excuse for going 3-13.
“Well obviously we would have won those last 3 games but we were getting a look at the young guys like Pryor and u can’t expect great results when you throw ayoung kid with no game experience in there like that.”.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RockyMountainRaider Says: December 6th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
But we played so hard for Allen, and he lost his father and BLAH BLAH BLAH. Who really gives a f#%k the man is a bum had the opportunity to put in Pryor and humor us but didn. He essentially said “I dont care to give you guys something to watch for” he dont care about Raider Nation, why should we!
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Couldnt say it any better myself.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
beach Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
We have no run game mainly because of Knapp. He ruined our effin’ offense!
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Exactly!
December 6th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
We lost by 13 pts. and yet you know it wasn’t anywhere near that close.
Palmer can’t keep this up and expect anything. In fact I think the Raiders have made up their minds concerning him. If they’re smart(how many times have I said this) they make sure they know what they have in Pryor. To end this season with that aqserious question mark would show a serious lack knowledge of how to biuld a team.
Smart teams like the Niners ,Eagles are making sure they have a great idea about their young QB’s by making them starters or playing them extensively. The Niners knew last year by spotting Kappy that they wanted him as a starter by midseason the following years. If the Raider go another game without playing Pryor it will show a lack of leadership at the top.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
This team had been on “Life Support” since DA was hired…
Looks like he tuned it off about 6 weeks ago, and we are finally realizing it.
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Trickle down effect.
Bad coaching hire and then the head coach hires bad assistants and then he allows a crappy OC to ruin the offense and running game from the previous two years.
That sure as heck doesn’t help when you already have a bad defense. Special teams is non existent as well.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Reggie said this was his team, now lets see if he actually means it.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Agree with you on this one, Priest. We need to see what the kid can do under real game conditions.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Anyone think Phillip Adams is a keeper?
December 6th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Palmer has blown 3 games on his own… Atl, tampa, cleveland… He hasnt played well in my mind. Hes been a liability thus far.
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A top teir QB wins all of those and maybe wins tonite. This is a 500 or better team being held back by bad coachiing and a QB with a penchant for some untimely picks. MOMENTUM KILLING picks!
December 6th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Hmm…if Palmer is a bum, then who the hell is better that is going to replace him Palmer hating geniuses?
December 6th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Playing Pryor at home vs. KC makes the most sense.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
I like what I see in Adams, I wish they would take Chekwa out of the doghouse.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
TP needs to get some playing time though without a doubt.
DA and Knapp just don’t get it.
Why they haven’t used TP like the way the Niners did with Kap earlier in the season and get him involved in zone read pistol offense stuff is beyond me.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
There have been momentum killing picks, and I like Palmer.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
beach Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
There have been momentum killing picks, and I like Palmer.
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Agreed. Gotta have a running game to help the guy out a bit and not put so much pressure on him. The pass blocking OLine is not good enough.
Are there any other QB’s better than Palmer who would do a better job?
Nope.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
loving this: 3 losses away from not only the #1 pick in the draft, but many months of missdick and priest crying about how “unfair” they’re being to pryor for not playing him, or even better, not committing to him after he does play in the last game and goes 4-15 23 yards, with one 42 yard run. SPACE-AGE ATTACK!
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A DA, Knapp Bootlicker all season, now he’s talking about the #1 draft choice. Priceless.
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u are simply a stone cold idiot. when have i once stated support for them, u big dummy? in fact the OPPOSITE u moron. i have said i have seen nothing from them gives me confidence. but i’m a realist and have said he’s probably coming back cuz that’s nfl football. ur either a liar or just too dumb to go outside.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Beach Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
There have been momentum killing picks, and I like Palmer.
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all picks are momentum killing.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
DKnight007 Says: December 6th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Hmm…if Palmer is a bum, then who the hell is better that is going to replace him Palmer hating geniuses?
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How many games has palmer won for us? How many has he blown? How many red zone ints has he thrown? Palmer has not been nothing close to flawless this season and we cant say whos better because we dont give anyone else a chance to play.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Palmer has blown 3 games on his own… Atl, tampa, cleveland… He hasnt played well in my mind. Hes been a liability thus far.
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A top teir QB wins all of those and maybe wins tonite. This is a 500 or better team being held back by bad coachiing and a QB with a penchant for some untimely picks. MOMENTUM KILLING picks!
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only a complete football idiot (no surprise here) could look at this team and think it’s palmer. ur humiliating urself.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
As usual the fight left after the first quarter! Please blow up this team now! What fight?
December 6th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
We lost by 13 pts. and yet you know it wasn’t anywhere near that close.
Palmer can’t keep this up and expect anything. In fact I think the Raiders have made up their minds concerning him. If they’re smart(how many times have I said this) they make sure they know what they have in Pryor. To end this season with that aqserious question mark would show a serious lack knowledge of how to biuld a team.
Smart teams like the Niners ,Eagles are making sure they have a great idea about their young QB’s by making them starters or playing them extensively. The Niners knew last year by spotting Kappy that they wanted him as a starter by midseason the following years. If the Raider go another game without playing Pryor it will show a lack of leadership at the top.
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ur officially as dumb as missdick.
palmer can’t keep up 19-30 273 yards 2 td’s 1 int? most teams are very happy with that from their qb.
it’s the rest of the team dumbbell.
smart teams like the broncos, who went with a vet?
u just can’t give up on ur great black hope can u? “If the Raider go another game without playing Pryor…”
get it thru ur think head. he ain’t playing.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Hmm…if Palmer is a bum, then who the hell is better that is going to replace him Palmer hating geniuses?
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Thats the whole point is to see what we got, there is no one “BETTER” bro have you not read this blog this team lacks talent. So when that conclusion is reached you test the youngsters to see who shows something and see at what spots we can get better.
Or you can call your boys Christian Bale and Daniel Craig
December 6th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Dcraiderfan Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
As usual the fight left after the first quarter! Please blow up this team now! What fight?
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u mean when they made their goal line stand? get real. watch the game.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Palmer has blown 3 games on his own… Atl, tampa, cleveland… He hasnt played well in my mind. Hes been a liability thus far.
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A top teir QB wins all of those and maybe wins tonite. This is a 500 or better team being held back by bad coachiing and a QB with a penchant for some untimely picks. MOMENTUM KILLING picks!
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only a complete football idiot (no surprise here) could look at this team and think it’s palmer. ur humiliating urself.
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DR. ROB, you’re just wasting your time with these idiots bro, they have their minds made up over everybody, nevermind that we only beaten 1 good team over the last 2 years, and took advantage of weak schedule last year, that’s like every superbowl team from the year before getting mad like hey we won superbowl the last year, lets fire the coach lol
December 6th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
RockyMountainRaider Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Hmm…if Palmer is a bum, then who the hell is better that is going to replace him Palmer hating geniuses?
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Thats the whole point is to see what we got, there is no one “BETTER” bro have you not read this blog this team lacks talent. So when that conclusion is reached you test the youngsters to see who shows something and see at what spots we can get better.
Or you can call your boys Christian Bale and Daniel Craig
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here;s the point. why in the fu@k would u focus on the best player for replacement? palmer is the BEST player on the team. going with pryor would probably result in such an embarrassment, DA would be fired immediately.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
I don’t know what the probelm is with this team.
If u talk to 100 different people you’ll get 100 different answers.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
I bet many people didnt believe philip adams could play corner until they gave him a chance, they didnt believe reece could make plays or play rb until they gave him a chance, reggie and the said huff couldnt play corner until they gave him a chANCE, they doubted meyers all offseason long until they gave him a chance… All im saying is give a player the chance to prove you right or wrong before you count them out.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
we’re likely the worst team in the nfl. i’m not thrilled with the staff. but i also know DA comes with high regard and the players are garbage. so, because i know how winners are built, i begrudgingly accept that DA will likely be back next season. it sucks for now, but we have to take our lumps.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Palmer int was bad but team only went into half down 13-6, other guys just failed to make plays when counted, some players are just not making plays out there, and I’m pretty sure all the guys are great in most fans eyes , but there are some places our guys are leaving the plays on the field, so many dropped passes, so many false starts and holding at wrong times, not getting to qbs with front 4
December 6th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
I bet many people didnt believe philip adams could play corner until they gave him a chance, they didnt believe reece could make plays or play rb until they gave him a chance, reggie and the said huff couldnt play corner until they gave him a chANCE, they doubted meyers all offseason long until they gave him a chance… All im saying is give a player the chance to prove you right or wrong before you count them out.
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yes, i know. don’t get me wrong. i like pryor. i want to see what he can do too. i WANT him to be awesome. but there is a reality, and that reality is that palmer is our best player and DA is trying like heck to win a game. and pryor is RAW. his qb skills are very suspect. it sucks to be a raider fan at the moment (decade), but we just have to ride it out. pryor may play in the last game.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
I don’t know what the probelm is with this team.
If u talk to 100 different people you’ll get 100 different answers.
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i’m pretty sure i know EXACTLY what’s wrong. and u won’t see me going off on a tangent and saying retarded stuff.
we have garbage talent. we brought in 20+ players for this season and we will again, and again after that.
injuries have hurt us on the O-line, RB, D-line, and secondary. this on a thin team to begin with.
the coaching has been anything but impressive. just kinda plain-jane. but they’re behind the 8-ball. trying to tread water. hard to be creative when ur just trying to tackle guys.
suspect coaching combined with very poor talent equals 3-10.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
pryor would probably result in such an embarrassment, DA would be fired immediately.
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If DA were to be fired trust me… It wont be the fault of terrel pryor. If he gets fired its his own fault, he had blowout losses to denver, No, baltimore, cincy, miami and etc… And in those games he had Palmer starting so pryor wouldnt the reason… Hes just an awful coach who assembled an awful staff simple as that.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
with all that said, i do think there may be truth to the gruden thing. it makes sense in a lot of ways.
i just think mark davis would like to hire a rockstar coach and be done with moves for 5 years at least. he could be confident he has a good coach and will sell tix.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Who the eff is jackie bibby repeating the same stuff??? alright we know you don’t like this staff but this staff will be here whether you like it or not , so just get over it
December 6th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
with all that said, i do think there may be truth to the gruden thing. it makes sense in a lot of ways.
i just think mark davis would like to hire a rockstar coach and be done with moves for 5 years at least. he could be confident he has a good coach and will sell tix.
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Didn’t Jets got Tebow to sell tickets? how did that turn out for them?
December 6th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Dr_robert Says: December 6th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
we’re likely the worst team in the nfl. i’m not thrilled with the staff. but i also know DA comes with high regard and the players are garbage. so, because i know how winners are built, i begrudgingly accept that DA will likely be back next season. it sucks for now, but we have to take our lumps.
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Im convinced we are the worst team in the nfl.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Heads will roll. You guys can continue to explain it until you’re blue in the face. Fact is Mark is NOT happy. That is no secret, friends. Doesn’t take a genius to read between the lines. His comments reak of sweeping change if he doesn’t see major improvement from this garbage.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Gruden was only 8-8 2 years with more talented teams, you guys are crazy to think this team is anywhere near that level and gruden will do much with these players lol
December 6th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
pryor would probably result in such an embarrassment, DA would be fired immediately.
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If DA were to be fired trust me… It wont be the fault of terrel pryor. If he gets fired its his own fault, he had blowout losses to denver, No, baltimore, cincy, miami and etc… And in those games he had Palmer starting so pryor wouldnt the reason… Hes just an awful coach who assembled an awful staff simple as that.
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the season thus far has nothing to do with pryor, that’s true. but reality is that DA knows he’s under fire. he is NOT gonna play a project so we can all see what the next coach will have. he needs wins NOW. he ain’t playing pryor, with no guarantee he will be back.
and there are a lot of nfl people who think DA is a really GOOD coach. he just has a tuff road to hoe.
it’s just really easy to call for his head and want pryor.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
And, frankly, I don’t blame him. He has to protect the product. Question: just how many season tix do you think this team sells for next year if we stay the course? Answer: not pretty.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Palmer threw ONE int. tonight. Lo and behold the great Peyton Manning threw one too.
The reason Palmers picks seem so huge is cuz he has to be PERFECT to even give us any chance whatsoever.
He is NOT perfect.
We were beaten badly tonight. If Palmer didn’t throw that pick, guess what….WE STILL GET HAMMERED.
I don’t say this as a Palmer worshipper, I say it to focus on what the REAL problems are with this team.
If anybody thinks our only problem..or even the main roblem with this team is the QB…? C’mon.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
all of the pryor fans should be happy he isn’t playing. it keeps his myth alive. cuz if he played, they probably would get really depressed.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Didn’t Jets got Tebow to sell tickets? how did that turn out for them?
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jon gruden is not tim tebow… Tim Tebow is a qb who cant throw, Jon Gruden is a HC who can coach. One has actually mastered their craft… Big difference.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
The reason Palmers picks seem so huge is cuz he has to be PERFECT to even give us any chance whatsoever.
He is NOT perfect.
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Agree
December 6th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
And, frankly, I don’t blame him. He has to protect the product. Question: just how many season tix do you think this team sells for next year if we stay the course? Answer: not pretty.
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this is a prime reason why i think it might happen. i think mark davis, being his dad’s son, gets restless. but he also doesn’t really wanna deal with this stuff a ton. gruden solves all of that. i guess we’ll see soon.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Gruden took only the team the guys were surprised didn’t make it to big dance with the talent level they had, and tony dungy built team to the playoffs, all it took was to become little bit better on O or maybe 1 or two less turnovers, isn’t that hard to do that on O side LMAO, not saying he’s a bad coach, but c’mon you guys are funny
December 6th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
i’m out guys. it’s gonna be another fun week in here.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
I’d prefer living through a 3-13 season with 3 games of Pryor evaluations over the 3, 4 or 5 max wins we may get with Palmer shining, choking and padding stats for all 16 games.
The season is DONE. Any decent organization would at least use this opportunity to see what they have. Pryor test under fire, not in off season drills or weekly practice.
Remember some people test andor interview well but suck at the job (like Denise Allen aka coach nut sack). While others may not test or interview well but shine (example Rich Gannon). An additional win or 2 will never change minds about Denise Allen and his cast of pitiful assistants.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
I in no wAY beliece palmer is the SOLE problem but he has put his prints on part of it. nd I dont think DA is an awful coach period I just think hes an awful hc… Norv turner is a good coordinator and so is wade phillips but as head men… not the answer.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
LMAO i would say bring back HUE, he went 8-8 two years in a row with obviously much less talent than Gruden who took a talented team that was just underachieving to 8-8 records
December 6th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
I in no wAY beliece palmer is the SOLE problem but he has put his prints on part of it. nd I dont think DA is an awful coach period I just think hes an awful hc… Norv turner is a good coordinator and so is wade phillips but as head men… not the answer.
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So DA is good coordinator based on 1 year? LMAO tell that to DALLAS COWBOYS FANS, about TOM LANDRY cuz he went 0-11-1 in his rookie year
December 6th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
uh who would have guessed the guy who coached his teams to most superbowls didn’t have winning year until his 4th year?? def not these fans LMAO, if you guys had to ask them about Chuck Noll and how well he did in his first few years, these guys would think he was making playoffs LMAO
December 6th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
#82. It’s clear Palmers not the primary problem, not even close. However it’s also clear Palmer is NOT the solution. What fans are looking for is the answer to a simple question. Does Pryor have the ability to help us improve. He he does great. If it appears he doesn’t then we need to resume our search for a franchise QB. Palmer is and was a stop gap QB. His better days are history. He’s to old and unreliable to build around. If we need him next year to get us through another poor to mediocrre season, we know what to expect. With Pryor we also need to see what he has to offer and how much he may or may not need to be the guy. Doing so would help management evaluate the teams needs for next season
December 6th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
What about B Walsh, not a winning season until 3rd year, Jimmy Johnson, Belichic LMAO , oh yeah they lost close games blah blah blah, but there has been some coaches who have won games in rookie years, and didn’t amount to anything later in their coaching careers
December 6th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
#93 Chuck knoll didn’t take his team into reverse after taking over. Knoll inherited a pitiful team and helped make them better. Allen inherited a decent team and made them pathetic.
Stop distorting history.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
stfu about Pryor i know most of you guys want to see him , but this coaching staff is doing big favors for him, starting him or getting him crushed would only make him be not sure about himself
December 6th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
How you going to run that pass play backed up near the goal line, and the only one assigned to p/u Von Miller is Khalif Barnes?
Might want to rework that one.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
I officially hate Allen. I kinda didn’t mind if he returned with new coordinators but now I’m all convinced he should be fired.
Imo Allen knows gruden is being courted and so is deliberately aggravating mark and Reggie. And I still don’t believe in Reggie either
December 6th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Derek Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
#93 Chuck knoll didn’t take his team into reverse after taking over. Knoll inherited a pitiful team and helped make them better. Allen inherited a decent team and made them pathetic.
Stop distorting history.
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You really think the team was decent before DA?
433 points allowed last year says otherwise.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Derek Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
#93 Chuck knoll didn’t take his team into reverse after taking over. Knoll inherited a pitiful team and helped make them better. Allen inherited a decent team and made them pathetic.
Stop distorting history.
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Yeah blah blah blah pitiful team, etc, etc? what about guys who didn’t take over pitiful teams? why are there more guys with multiple SB wins who had losing seasons in rookie years than the one’s who had winning years ?
December 6th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Mcfadden20. Says: December 6th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Gruden took only the team the guys were surprised didn’t make it to big dance with the talent level they had, and tony dungy built team to the playoffs, all it took was to become little bit better on O or maybe 1 or two less turnovers, isn’t that hard to do that on O side LMAO, not saying he’s a bad coach, but c’mon you guys are funny
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You bash gruden and say hes an overrated coach whos won a sb but yet you stand up for a 3-10 coach whose proven to be nothing but a doormat for opposing coaches??? You discredit gruden for taking a bucaneer team from a playoff team to the sb improving them, but you give credit to DA for taking a competitive 8-8 and turning them into the worst team in the league??? Lol you sound so silly youre defending a loser against a proven winner. Gruden put 2 teams In the sb DA has done nothing… DA isnt even worthy of holding grudens coffe mug. Gtfoh lol
December 7th, 2012 at 12:00 am
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Derek Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
#93 Chuck knoll didn’t take his team into reverse after taking over. Knoll inherited a pitiful team and helped make them better. Allen inherited a decent team and made them pathetic.
Stop distorting history.
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You really think the team was decent before DA?
433 points allowed last year says otherwise.
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Thank you and that’s with better running game = less possessions for each team
December 7th, 2012 at 12:03 am
GG Says: December 6th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
I officially hate Allen. I kinda didn’t mind if he returned with new coordinators but now I’m all convinced he should be fired.
Imo Allen knows gruden is being courted and so is deliberately aggravating mark and Reggie. And I still don’t believe in Reggie either
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Welcome to the club…
December 7th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Oh, almost forgot, not only did we give 433, but we set a record for penalties in the process. Yep, real decent team he took over.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Mcfadden20. Says: December 6th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Gruden took only the team the guys were surprised didn’t make it to big dance with the talent level they had, and tony dungy built team to the playoffs, all it took was to become little bit better on O or maybe 1 or two less turnovers, isn’t that hard to do that on O side LMAO, not saying he’s a bad coach, but c’mon you guys are funny
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You bash gruden and say hes an overrated coach whos won a sb but yet you stand up for a 3-10 coach whose proven to be nothing but a doormat for opposing coaches??? You discredit gruden for taking a bucaneer team from a playoff team to the sb improving them, but you give credit to DA for taking a competitive 8-8 and turning them into the worst team in the league??? Lol you sound so silly youre defending a loser against a proven winner. Gruden put 2 teams In the sb DA has done nothing… DA isnt even worthy of holding grudens coffe mug. Gtfoh lol
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98 team was way more talented than this team along with 99 , but he wasn’t over the .500 hump until his 3rd year in 00, so why can’t we f8ckin give DA a chance? It would be 1 thing if Gruden had succeeded with talentless teams and took them somewhere, then i would be all for bringing back Gruden, but since Gruden has never took a rebuilding team some where, why you guys want to bring him back?? How can you guys make up your mind that DA will never amount to anything while Gruden will do something?
December 7th, 2012 at 12:08 am
ESETERIK78 Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Oh, almost forgot, not only did we give 433, but we set a record for penalties in the process. Yep, real decent team he took over.
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And yet we still won 8 games… Gotta be pretty good to go through that much adversity and still win dont ya think? Yea… Move along please.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:10 am
BTW i never said Gruden is over-rated I’m just saying he hasn’t proven he can take a young rebuilding team somewhere, why the blind faith? I know Phil won with Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant, would some one trust him to lead charlotte bobcats with no superstars somewhere?
December 7th, 2012 at 12:11 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:08 am
ESETERIK78 Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Oh, almost forgot, not only did we give 433, but we set a record for penalties in the process. Yep, real decent team he took over.
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And yet we still won 8 games… Gotta be pretty good to go through that much adversity and still win dont ya think? Yea… Move along please.
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What adversity??
December 7th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Man you think about it the Raiders have wasted 6 years of first round picks in a row with only DMC and DHB making minimal impact. 9 in a row if you consider Huff a bust
04: Gallery
05: Washington
06: Huff
07: Russell
08: Mcfadden
09: Bey
10: Mcclain
11: Seymour
12: Palmer
That is just beyond crazy, it could take 9 more years to get this team on track if you look at it that way.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:12 am
RockyMountainRaider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Man you think about it the Raiders have wasted 6 years of first round picks in a row with only DMC and DHB making minimal impact. 9 in a row if you consider Huff a bust
04: Gallery
05: Washington
06: Huff
07: Russell
08: Mcfadden
09: Bey
10: Mcclain
11: Seymour
12: Palmer
That is just beyond crazy, it could take 9 more years to get this team on track if you look at it that way.
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2 more years
December 7th, 2012 at 12:14 am
If you cant see DA is a bad fit for this team by now after all these losses and the magnitude of these losses then idk what to tell you. Even the owner lacks faith in this guy and he has 4 million reasons to want to keep faith in him.. Theres no point in even debating witn DA lovers anymore… We can lose by 30 points and youll still find an excuse for the guy. Smh lol wow!
December 7th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Seriously?
8-8
3-10
Are u guys suggesting that how many points a team allows is more important than how many games you won?
You’re not really doing that are you?
December 7th, 2012 at 12:15 am
12 in a row since we never really got much out of Asomugha, and by that i mean we never seen him play any meaningful games.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:15 am
And in that time the entire organization changed, we lost a few key contributors, not because our front office is incompetent, but because they were handcuffed in every way. If you want to believe that this roster is special, with it’s leaky line, missing impact LBs and DBs, that’s your business.
In my eyes they are talent deficient in every way, and I didn’t expect the season to go well. And I didn’t expect McKenzie to walk on water with his limited resources.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:17 am
DA aint going anywhere. We have another year or two or red sharpies and “I need to look at the tape” press conferences.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:21 am
Micheal Huff could not catch a wide receiver who FELL DOWN while Huff was chasing him.
I’m not making this up.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:21 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:14 am
If you cant see DA is a bad fit for this team by now after all these losses and the magnitude of these losses then idk what to tell you. Even the owner lacks faith in this guy and he has 4 million reasons to want to keep faith in him.. Theres no point in even debating witn DA lovers anymore… We can lose by 30 points and youll still find an excuse for the guy. Smh lol wow!
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It doesn’t matter how many points we lose by, you can’t judge a guy in his rookie coach what you don’t get LMAO, how about all those coaching changes over the years, how did those work out?
December 7th, 2012 at 12:22 am
Dennis Allen is an idiot.
I hope we lose every game, so he and Greg Knapp get fired.
For God’s sake, bring back Gruden.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:24 am
Greg Knapp ran one misdirection play, and it went for a touchdown.
So he never ran another one.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:25 am
How did bringing back Joe Gibbs worked out for Washington ?? and btw he won 2 more SBs than Gruden LMAO at you guys being convinced that cuz DA has lost some games by double digits he regressed and will never amount to anything because the team that went 1-4 last year down the stretch and couldn’t force 1 punt with everything on line in week 17 was so awesome last year
December 7th, 2012 at 12:25 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Seriously?
8-8
3-10
Are u guys suggesting that how many points a team allows is more important than how many games you won?
You’re not really doing that are you?
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No, I was using it to illustrate that the defensive performance has not changed from the last staff to this staff. 433 points allowed last year, we’re at 376 this year with three to go. So why is it automatically the coaching?
December 7th, 2012 at 12:27 am
this franchise is done for another 5 years minimum.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:28 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:25 am
How did bringing back Joe Gibbs worked out for Washington ?? and btw he won 2 more SBs than Gruden LMAO at you guys being convinced that cuz DA has lost some games by double digits he regressed and will never amount to anything because the team that went 1-4 last year down the stretch and couldn’t force 1 punt with everything on line in week 17 was so awesome last year
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Joe Gibbs is not Gruden.
Dennis Allen is an idiot.
He hired Greg Knapp who is also an idiot.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:29 am
This is the worst coached team, I have ever seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:30 am
Kirk Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:28 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:25 am
How did bringing back Joe Gibbs worked out for Washington ?? and btw he won 2 more SBs than Gruden LMAO at you guys being convinced that cuz DA has lost some games by double digits he regressed and will never amount to anything because the team that went 1-4 last year down the stretch and couldn’t force 1 punt with everything on line in week 17 was so awesome last year
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Joe Gibbs is not Gruden.
Dennis Allen is an idiot.
He hired Greg Knapp who is also an idiot.
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LMAO a guy who won 3 Sbs is >>> 1 SB, ofcourse that’s why you have offseasons, you go over some bad decisions you made and correct them , all those guys who won superbowls didn’t automatically had superpowers in their 2nd years
December 7th, 2012 at 12:30 am
After watching the Lions go from 0-16 to playoff team in 4 years or the Bengals go from laughing stock one year to playoff team the next you damn right i expect changes to happen over night, if other notable lowly franchises can do why cant we?
December 7th, 2012 at 12:34 am
RockyMountainRaider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:30 am
After watching the Lions go from 0-16 to playoff team in 4 years or the Bengals go from laughing stock one year to playoff team the next you damn right i expect changes to happen over night, if other notable lowly franchises can do why cant we?
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So your convinced we won’t improve either LOL
December 7th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Kirk Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:24 am
Greg Knapp ran one misdirection play, and it went for a touchdown.
So he never ran another one.
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lol
December 7th, 2012 at 12:35 am
The same guys who thought Gio was HOF after he made a couple of plays and our receiving group is great are making convinced our coaching group will never amount to anything
December 7th, 2012 at 12:36 am
making predictions**&&&
December 7th, 2012 at 12:39 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:35 am
The same guys who thought Gio was HOF after he made a couple of plays and our receiving group is great are making convinced our coaching group will never amount to anything
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Strawman argument.
Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp are in way over their heads.
Time for a change.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:40 am
Kirk and biddy are right
This is the worst coached team I’ve ever seen
December 7th, 2012 at 12:42 am
The Raiders have become a comedy routine.
Every week you can watch Greg Knapp’s unimaginative offense sputter around until Palmer commits a key turnover and they lose.
My favorite moment of comedy tonight was when Huff couldn’t catch a wide receiver he was chasing after the wide receiver FELL DOWN.
You can’t make this s… up!
December 7th, 2012 at 12:42 am
Watching ESPN said with a win Sunday Pats will go 10 seasons with at least 10 wins, since that tuck rule game. We went the opposite direction.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:42 am
And all the other people slamming Allen Knapp carvers are right
This staff need to be removed tonight
December 7th, 2012 at 12:43 am
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:40 am
Kirk and biddy are right
This is the worst coached team I’ve ever seen
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And believe me, I know about bad teams.
I was an Atlanta Falcon fan from 1967-1980.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:44 am
Mcfadden20. Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:30 am
Kirk Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:28 am
mcfadden20. Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:25 am How did bringing back Joe Gibbs worked out for Washington ?? and btw he won 2 more SBs than Gruden LMAO at you guys being convinced that cuz DA has lost some games by double digits he regressed and will never amount to anything because the team that went 1-4 last year down the stretch and couldn’t force 1 punt with everything on line in week 17 was so awesome last year
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Joe Gibbs is not Gruden.
Dennis Allen is an idiot.
He hired Greg Knapp who is also an idiot.
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LMAO a guy who won 3 Sbs is >>> 1 SB, ofcourse that’s why you have offseasons, you go over some bad decisions you made and correct them , all those guys who won superbowls didn’t automatically had superpowers in their 2nd years
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Joe Gibbs was also out of football for nearly 20 years and had all his focus in nascar, Jons only been away from coaching for 4 years and he keeps up with the game and players… Big difference! Move along now…
December 7th, 2012 at 12:48 am
Kirk Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:39 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:35 am
The same guys who thought Gio was HOF after he made a couple of plays and our receiving group is great are making convinced our coaching group will never amount to anything
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Strawman argument.
Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp are in way over their heads.
Time for a change.
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I would agree that Greg Knapp just doesn’t have what it needs to win , but Judging DA on rookie year is kinda ridiculous LMAO, tell me again how many guys have went winless? not many, like 2 or 3??? and 1 of them have won 2 superbowls, how many guys have won multiple Superbowls ? only 13 of them out of over 1,000 coaches and 9 of those coaches had under .500 seasons, if you add up the superbowls by guys who had losing seasons in their rookie seasons, they would double the total # superbowls won by coaches who had winning rookie seasons, so again rookie seasons and record prove nothing
December 7th, 2012 at 12:49 am
Joe Gibbs was also out of football for nearly 20 years and had all his focus in nascar, Jons only been away from coaching for 4 years and he keeps up with the game and players… Big difference! Move along now…
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Bingo.
Gruden can inspire men.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:50 am
Sorry, Dennis Allen doesn’t have what it takes to be a head coach.
He makes mistake after mistake and never learns.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:44 am
Mcfadden20. Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:30 am
Kirk Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:28 am
mcfadden20. Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:25 am How did bringing back Joe Gibbs worked out for Washington ?? and btw he won 2 more SBs than Gruden LMAO at you guys being convinced that cuz DA has lost some games by double digits he regressed and will never amount to anything because the team that went 1-4 last year down the stretch and couldn’t force 1 punt with everything on line in week 17 was so awesome last year
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Joe Gibbs is not Gruden.
Dennis Allen is an idiot.
He hired Greg Knapp who is also an idiot.
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LMAO a guy who won 3 Sbs is >>> 1 SB, ofcourse that’s why you have offseasons, you go over some bad decisions you made and correct them , all those guys who won superbowls didn’t automatically had superpowers in their 2nd years
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Joe Gibbs was also out of football for nearly 20 years and had all his focus in nascar, Jons only been away from coaching for 4 years and he keeps up with the game and players… Big difference! Move along now…
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oh so the coach who has not proven he can win with talentless teams and has only been out of football for only 4 years will take a rebuilding team to promised land
December 7th, 2012 at 12:53 am
Lmao its cute how faithful mc20 is to DA, not even most dogs are that loyal… Lol shame
December 7th, 2012 at 12:53 am
Kirk Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:50 am
Sorry, Dennis Allen doesn’t have what it takes to be a head coach.
He makes mistake after mistake and never learns.
– n I bet you said Gio will make the probowl and D Moore is # 1 in this league LMAO, yup makes a lot of sense that DA will never amount to anything coming out of your mouth
December 7th, 2012 at 12:59 am
How much is DA getting paid a year? Link please
December 7th, 2012 at 1:00 am
Mcfadden20. Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Jackie Bibby Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:44 am
Mcfadden20. Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:30 am
Kirk Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:28 am
mcfadden20. Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:25 am How did bringing back Joe Gibbs worked out for Washington ?? and btw he won 2 more SBs than Gruden LMAO at you guys being convinced that cuz DA has lost some games by double digits he regressed and will never amount to anything because the team that went 1-4 last year down the stretch and couldn’t force 1 punt with everything on line in week 17 was so awesome last year
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Joe Gibbs is not Gruden.
Dennis Allen is an idiot.
He hired Greg Knapp who is also an idiot.
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LMAO a guy who won 3 Sbs is >>> 1 SB, ofcourse that’s why you have offseasons, you go over some bad decisions you made and correct them , all those guys who won superbowls didn’t automatically had superpowers in their 2nd years ……………………………………….
Joe Gibbs was also out of football for nearly 20 years and had all his focus in nascar, Jons only been away from coaching for 4 years and he keeps up with the game and players… Big difference! Move along now…
—oh so the coach who has not proven he can win with talentless teams and has only been out of football for only 4 years will take a rebuilding team to promised land
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No one considered this team talentless until DA got his hands on the team… We were considered a young team on the rise with the way our past 2 seasons went but then DA happened and now no one can play… DA has ruined this team believe it or not…
December 7th, 2012 at 1:01 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:53 am
Lmao its cute how faithful mc20 is to DA, not even most dogs are that loyal… Lol shame
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You have to steep that low? like really??? even though a guy who went winless in his first year coaching is one of only 13 coaches ever to win multiple superbowls, i bet if you were Pats fan you would had trolled pats blogs after Belichick went 5-11 on the heels of 4 straight winning years, in the end the guy is only one of 3 coaches ever to win atleast 3 superbowls
December 7th, 2012 at 1:01 am
“NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said Thursday the league is willing to contribute funding to help build a stadium in Oakland to keep the Raiders in town…”
Hahahahaha!!!! Read it and weep suckas!!!!!
Oakland Raiders For LIFE!!!!!!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-says-nfl-would-help-fund-oakland-stadium/2012/12/06/eeda755e-4007-11e2-8a5c-473797be602c_story.html
December 7th, 2012 at 1:01 am
Mcfadden20 it is amazing how you rationalize losing even the bronco players said this was a talented team just like the one that almost made the playoffs.you can say that gruden took dungy team to the sb but that was his raider team and since you forgot that 97 team went 4-12.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:04 am
ArmChair GM Says: December 7th, 2012 at 1:01 am
“NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said Thursday the league is willing to contribute funding to help build a stadium in Oakland to keep the Raiders in town…”
Hahahahaha!!!! Read it and weep suckas!!!!!
Oakland Raiders For LIFE!!!!!!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-says-nfl-would-help-fund-oakland-stadium/2012/12/06/eeda755e-4007-11e2-8a5c-473797be602c_story.html
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hoorah! Bam take that LA
December 7th, 2012 at 1:05 am
No one considered this team talentless until DA got his hands on the team… We were considered a young team on the rise with the way our past 2 seasons went but then DA happened and now no one can play… DA has ruined this team believe it or not…
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No one can play?? LMAO even though a street FA pickup probably put in the best game any of our cb had over the last 3 years today? no one considered this team talentless? LMAO a talented team doesn’t go 1-4 down the stretch when everything is on the line, a talented team beats more than 1 good team over 2 years span LMAO? a young team on the rise? LMAO is that why everybody predicted us to finish between 4-6 wins ??
December 7th, 2012 at 1:05 am
Mcfadden20 why is everyone trying to get Allen another year for turning the team to a mess and would not defend hue for turning us into a playoff contender.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:09 am
Why is DA so against playing Pryor, season is over! Time to see if Pryor can be a viable option in the future or if we need to draft a new back up. This coaching staff is dumb, dumb as a box of rocks.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:11 am
chuck Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:01 am
Mcfadden20 it is amazing how you rationalize losing even the bronco players said this was a talented team just like the one that almost made the playoffs.you can say that gruden took dungy team to the sb but that was his raider team and since you forgot that 97 team went 4-12.
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I know they were 4-12 but the talent was there, if you don’t remember the team only failed to get less than 7 wins only 1 other time dating back to early 70s, I hope u didn’t forget we just recently set a record for going 7 straights seasons with 11 more losses, a couple of seasons we caught some lucky breaks isn’t going to change that, LOL n if you want to bring up how bad we’re losing , let me remind you that we went down 34-0 in successive weeks and i mean not in any weeks, but were in weeks 13 and 14 when playoffs were on line, doesn’t sound like a talented team to me , wanna dispute how a talented team goes down 34-0 in successive weeks with first playoff appearance in 9 years online before scoring their first points??
December 7th, 2012 at 1:11 am
Any which way you put it, the team has regressed. DA should have left the offense alone and focused on what he does best and that’s defense, supposedly. He made changes for the sake of change and set this team back. That’s not difficult to understand but if you’re retarded it might be.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:12 am
DA needs to be fired along with his entire staff. Evaluate the rest of the players and get rid of the ones we don’t need. And stop signing practice squad players for the love of god.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:13 am
Mcfadden20 how can a young team that went 8-8 and was one game from the playoffs be considered having no talent,somebody who hates to say Reggie made a mistake but I do want to give condolences to the Allen family.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:16 am
At least DA kept his promise about keeping penalties low…
December 7th, 2012 at 1:17 am
Mcfadden20. Says: December 7th, 2012 at 1:01 am
Jackie Bibby Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:53 am
Lmao its cute how faithful mc20 is to DA, not even most dogs are that loyal… Lol shame
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You have to steep that low? like really??? even though a guy who went winless in his first year coaching is one of only 13 coaches ever to win multiple superbowls, i bet if you were Pats fan you would had trolled pats blogs after Belichick went 5-11 on the heels of 4 straight winning years, in the end the guy is only one of 3 coaches ever to win atleast 3 superbowls
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mc20 ima say this for the millionth time, its not about losing, its about how you lose. Tom cable went 5-11 and I hoped he was brought back because although he went 5-11 he looked to inspire the players and he wasnt scared to make changes that would improve the team like benching jamarcus and stripping knapp of play calling. He vot players to buy into his message and you could see it in their play. Players played hard for him not just for their checks because he conne ted with the ayers and you could tell from how they talked about him. Da inspires no one, he doesnt believe in changing or mixing things up to better the team, hed a D coach and the D looks most unprepared on the team, I mean theres nothing about him that says he will be suc essful in turning this thi.g around. He seems like a nice guy and all but hes not getting paid to be nice, hes gtting paid to get these guys to perform and win games but hes just not getting it done so hes on the hot seat as he should be…
December 7th, 2012 at 1:17 am
Fck Allen sorry excuse for a coach, time to bring in someone proven no more rookie HC’s. how is out there? Can Reggie get hologrem or Andy Reid here?
December 7th, 2012 at 1:17 am
chuck Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:05 am
Mcfadden20 why is everyone trying to get Allen another year for turning the team to a mess and would not defend hue for turning us into a playoff contender.
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I am not attacking Hue, unless some d1ck rider is hanging onto his 8-8 season too much and talk about it like we were so fukkin damn good team when we barely even won 2 games in last 6 games with playoffs on line, just like when i talk about which guys were drafted by AL and how they s8cked , because some guy who goes by the name of Al_is_the_raiders (troll) goes on and say this guy is drafted by the current management and s8cks etc, etc, my thinking has been this team has been lacking in talent since years, doesn’t make any difference if we lost close games or won a few more games against some teams , those wins didn’t come against more than 1 good team , so everything is irrelevant, we need to try to bring new players for once instead of new coaches every year
December 7th, 2012 at 1:18 am
When did we go down 34-0 in successive weeks with playoffs on the line?
December 7th, 2012 at 1:19 am
This team was falling apart before DA’s personal tragedy. My condolences to him and his family but business is still business. And he’s failing big time.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:20 am
Ray_d Says: December 7th, 2012 at 1:09 am
Why is DA so against playing Pryor, season is over! Time to see if Pryor can be a viable option in the future or if we need to draft a new back up. This coaching staff is dumb, dumb as a box of rocks.
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Lol really tho man. Smh
December 7th, 2012 at 1:22 am
Very impressed with Kirk and Jackie Bibby’s litany of posts on this page. You guys are nailing this discussion straight on. I’m sorry to those arguing against these two, but they’re 100% right about everything.
Best you all join that club.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:22 am
The one game we should have won was the game against the lions, but the defense could not stop there offense, then again we had a lb covering megatron. Stupid
December 7th, 2012 at 1:23 am
“Broncos standout cornerback Champ Bailey said he sees a team that is in the process of finding the proper players for their schemes and adjusting to new coaching.”
As much as it pizzez me off to hear the donkeys giving us advice, Bailey is correct.
I’ve been saying all year that this can’t be anything but a rebuilding year.
What else can it be when you get a new owner, a new general manager, a new head coach, new offensive and defensive coordinators, and a new system.
On top of that you play you have offensive line players change positions and get rid of your center.
What does disturb me is that McKenzie doesn’t see it as a rebuilding year.
What we need are draft picks and an honest effort to rebuild. Hue left us with no cap money and no picks but we can pick some up with trades. We just have to figure out who’s worth keeping.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:23 am
ray_d Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:09 am
Why is DA so against playing Pryor, season is over! Time to see if Pryor can be a viable option in the future or if we need to draft a new back up. This coaching staff is dumb, dumb as a box of rocks.
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Imo, Allen knows Gruden has been courted and is deliberately thumbing his nose at Mark (maybe Reggie too). But I have a feeling Reggie sides with Allen.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:25 am
Gruden thinks highly of Terrel
December 7th, 2012 at 1:25 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:17 am
Mcfadden20. Says: December 7th, 2012 at 1:01 am
Jackie Bibby Says: December 7th, 2012 at 12:53 am
Lmao its cute how faithful mc20 is to DA, not even most dogs are that loyal… Lol shame
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You have to steep that low? like really??? even though a guy who went winless in his first year coaching is one of only 13 coaches ever to win multiple superbowls, i bet if you were Pats fan you would had trolled pats blogs after Belichick went 5-11 on the heels of 4 straight winning years, in the end the guy is only one of 3 coaches ever to win atleast 3 superbowls
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mc20 ima say this for the millionth time, its not about losing, its about how you lose. Tom cable went 5-11 and I hoped he was brought back because although he went 5-11 he looked to inspire the players and he wasnt scared to make changes that would improve the team like benching jamarcus and stripping knapp of play calling. He vot players to buy into his message and you could see it in their play. Players played hard for him not just for their checks because he conne ted with the ayers and you could tell from how they talked about him. Da inspires no one, he doesnt believe in changing or mixing things up to better the team, hed a D coach and the D looks most unprepared on the team, I mean theres nothing about him that says he will be suc essful in turning this thi.g around. He seems like a nice guy and all but hes not getting paid to be nice, hes gtting paid to get these guys to perform and win games but hes just not getting it done so hes on the hot seat as he should be…
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You ever consider that those changes were more possible because Jamarcus wasn’t head and shoulders above their backups and Tom Cable was an offensive coach so it was easier for him to strip Knapp of play calling? you think Cable would have stripped an DC of play calling?? and called plays on D? LMAO, for the millionth time i’m going to tell you this, Rookie coaches can’t be judged until atleast 2nd year, that has been proven over and over ,as evidenced by coaches who have won superbowls, but some one like you would have thought that all those coaches had winning years in first years, and regarding D? you know that D line is where the D begins with??? and most of those guys are still al D guys ? the same guys who have been ranked in the bottom 5 of allowing the most yards on the ground 10 years, and is the same D that couldn’t force 1 punt in week 17 last year?
December 7th, 2012 at 1:26 am
McFadden20 our offense sucked every since gruden left and hue immediately change us to a top ten offense in his to years and teams with out talent do not go 8-8 in this league and compete week in and week out.it obvious that we could go 0-16 right now and you would be behind the new regime how dumb.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:26 am
All the poor Raider HoFmers were there to see that game. Allen and his staff should be ashamed of themselves. I know I am.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:28 am
It funny how after we got to 3-4 all the Reggie lovers were predicting playoffs but now we do not have any talent.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:28 am
fk da and fk the raiders
December 7th, 2012 at 1:29 am
chuck Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:18 am
When did we go down 34-0 in successive weeks with playoffs on the line?
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Week 13 against Miami, they took 34-0 lead going into the 4th quarter before we managed to get garbage time points to finish the game and made it look like it wasn’t that bad…
and again in week 14 GB took 34-0 lead midway 3rd quarter before they took it easy on us, and we ended up losing something like 46-13
December 7th, 2012 at 1:30 am
How many times did the players say they were going to be a top 5 defense? What happened? Players are not buying what DA is selling any longer. Time to move on, Mark will over rule Reggie and pull the plug
December 7th, 2012 at 1:31 am
Chuck we only made it to 3-4 after beating inferior teams excluding Pit. It was evident DA didn’t have a clue after our first game with the 3 blocked punts no backup snapper on a single man rush.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:32 am
You ever consider that those changes were more possible because Jamarcus wasn’t head and shoulders above their backups and Tom Cable was an offensive coach so it was easier for him to strip Knapp of play calling? you think Cable would have stripped an DC of play calling?? and called plays on D? LMAO, for the millionth time i’m going to tell you this, Rookie coaches can’t be judged until atleast 2nd year, that has been proven over and over ,as evidenced by coaches who have won superbowls, but some one like you would have thought that all those coaches had winning years in first years, and regarding D? you know that D line is where the D begins with??? and most of those guys are still al D guys ? the same guys who have been ranked in the bottom 5 of allowing the most yards on the ground 10 years, and is the same D that couldn’t force 1 punt in week 17 last year?
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But mc20 the defense is the weakest unit on the team at the moment and he controls that, hes the one who needs to be stripped of his duties thats why I want to see him fired because the only way you strip the hc is by cutting ties with him. And his choice of OC was a dunce as well showing just how poor his judgement was any raider fan in the universe could of told you knapp wasnt going to cut it here but Da is a genius so now look at us. Sorry but ya boy is a scrub…
December 7th, 2012 at 1:35 am
Btw did anyone notice NFLN wasn’t even talking about the Raiders? Mainly when teams play on Thursday they are both spoken about the majority of the show. This one was all about Peyton’s fag asd and other NFL news. Ignored by the media again.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:35 am
We have just lost games under DA but have been totally humiliated by other teams, chargers, broncos, Miami with rookie qb and career day with bush, Tampa muscle hamster has career day, Ravens 55-10, Saints and bengals also handed us a arse kicking.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:35 am
chuck Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:26 am
McFadden20 our offense sucked every since gruden left and hue immediately change us to a top ten offense in his to years and teams with out talent do not go 8-8 in this league and compete week in and week out.it obvious that we could go 0-16 right now and you would be behind the new regime how dumb.
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You forget that those 8 wins came against average teams and we did not face more than 4 or 5 top 10 passing O’s which has been the achilles heal for our D since 03 and only 1 team that was a top 10 passing o we beat was SD who had like 3 OL starters missing, and don’t forget Hue was an offensive coach who had a good player to build around *(Mcfadden), DA had nobody the caliber of Mcfadden on D side, you can’t just fit 3-4 players in 4-3 or the other way around and you can’t ask the Dline to become an awesome passing rushing unit just like the same way you can make the Oline to gel together, 2 different things like water and milk, but obviously you’re too dumb to know that
December 7th, 2012 at 1:36 am
Chuck Says: December 7th, 2012 at 1:26 am
McFadden20 our offense sucked every since gruden left and hue immediately change us to a top ten offense in his to years and teams with out talent do not go 8-8 in this league and compete week in and week out.it obvious that we could go 0-16 right now and you would be behind the new regime how dumb.
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Mc20 jus got owned. Lol
December 7th, 2012 at 1:37 am
Knapp wasn’t wanted in Sea or Hou. Now look at them. We get him back again without JaMarcus and we still suck. He has no excuse.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:39 am
No excuse at all.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:40 am
McFadden20 you tell me you can’t find a playoff team that was embarrass two weeks in a row, why is everyone else problems so bad but the new regime gets a pass. Do you get that going from 8-8 to 3-13 is terrible and if look at any preseason magazine every team had chance to win the division but only one is well coach.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:41 am
Dennis: “Pryor will continue to dress the remainder of the season and we’ll have a package of plays for him.”
Translated: I’ll piss Mark off by dressing him but not getting him into the game.
Hopefully Mark/Reggie are there to prevent Allen from releasing Pryor out of further spite.
Gruden & Pryor….Gruden will want to win, and he’ll play Palmer. He had Josh Johnson at the Buccaneers for several years and never got him in the game or developed him good enough. He was always preferring to play old QBs to get him wins – like Garcia, Brad Johnson, Simms, McCown, etc.
Lately, since the advent of Tebow, Newton, RGIII, Gruden has said he’s enthusiastic about experimenting with this type of QB, learning and running an Option offense…like Shanahan has managed.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:42 am
The ravens beat us 55-10 ridiculous the following game the ravens only scored 13 points followed by a 16 point game.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:42 am
Will we even win 4 games this year? Not even half as good as last year. 06′ all over again. Oh yea and slowmac is no longer suspended.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:45 am
Chiefs will beat us for sure, and we’ll end up last in the AFC West.
There’s absolutely no hope for this current regime manufacturing a win this year…and they’ll go 0-16 next year if the staff isn’t completely overhauled. The players are not at all buying into anything Allen does, says, nor his co-ordinators.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:46 am
And can you believe the chiefs actually beat the ravens, I would not be surprised if the kick our arses.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:47 am
Quinn will have a career day. Every game this season we’ve allowed a player from the opposition to have a career day. Gabbert, Jennings, Martin, Hartline, Tannehill, Green-Ellis, etc.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:50 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:32 am
You ever consider that those changes were more possible because Jamarcus wasn’t head and shoulders above their backups and Tom Cable was an offensive coach so it was easier for him to strip Knapp of play calling? you think Cable would have stripped an DC of play calling?? and called plays on D? LMAO, for the millionth time i’m going to tell you this, Rookie coaches can’t be judged until atleast 2nd year, that has been proven over and over ,as evidenced by coaches who have won superbowls, but some one like you would have thought that all those coaches had winning years in first years, and regarding D? you know that D line is where the D begins with??? and most of those guys are still al D guys ? the same guys who have been ranked in the bottom 5 of allowing the most yards on the ground 10 years, and is the same D that couldn’t force 1 punt in week 17 last year?
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But mc20 the defense is the weakest unit on the team at the moment and he controls that, hes the one who needs to be stripped of his duties thats why I want to see him fired because the only way you strip the hc is by cutting ties with him. And his choice of OC was a dunce as well showing just how poor his judgement was any raider fan in the universe could of told you knapp wasnt going to cut it here but Da is a genius so now look at us. Sorry but ya boy is a scrub…
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It’s easier to say all that when its the O side, you can build schemes around a good player, D side isn’t like that you can’t just build a scheme around 1 player, you have to have pretty good pass rushers to make things work, this isn’t 1970s where you can ask your Cornerbacks to hold onto the receivers until the Dline gets to the QB, you need legit pass rushers to get to QB’s, and you can’t just coach players to pass rush better the same way you can ask your unit to pass protect better , of the 7 guys who have atleast 10 sacks this year 5 of them were top 15 picks, so that says a lot , and makes sense why the team that has been leading in sacks over the past few years keep on drafting on DLine over the past 6 years or so
December 7th, 2012 at 1:50 am
To be fair, I’m sure everyone bought in at first. Just like our past 7 coaches. But after losing the beginning of the season as usual they give up. I believe if we kept Hue only our defense needed to be upgraded. 8-8 was something to work off. Not completely restructure. Not saying Hue was perfect but way better than this team that is unprepared week after week because of this poor staff.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:50 am
Mcfadden20 funny how a 8-8 team that missed the playoffsby one game has no talent yet the 97 team can go 4-12 with talent only in Reggie world.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:53 am
All I know is I’m absolutely disgusted with this regime, how much they’ve ruined this team, the roster (including Reggie’s GM’ing turning over 50% of it so far), and how far behind they’ve set this organization back. Gutting the roster, deliberately shelving talented players that were Al picks, regressing pretty much every other player, no heart whatsoever.
And I know many of you are also disgusted.
If we feel this disgusted, I am sure Mark Davis must be seething as much as us.
I honestly haven’t seen much out of Reggie or Allen that piques interest or hope. Criner, Streater, King are about the only pieces I applaud Reggie for.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:53 am
chuck Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:40 am
McFadden20 you tell me you can’t find a playoff team that was embarrass two weeks in a row, why is everyone else problems so bad but the new regime gets a pass. Do you get that going from 8-8 to 3-13 is terrible and if look at any preseason magazine every team had chance to win the division but only one is well coach.
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I’m just saying any team can win a few more games here and there , but good teams don’t go down 34-0 in successive weeks before scoring their first points, mind that those weeks came playoffs were on line, I’m not judging Hue, i wanted him back, just freaking ridiculous when guys make too much out of it like the last years team was something big , i mean good teams simply don’t go down 34-0 after the 10 week when playoffs are on the line
December 7th, 2012 at 1:57 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:36 am
Chuck Says: December 7th, 2012 at 1:26 am
McFadden20 our offense sucked every since gruden left and hue immediately change us to a top ten offense in his to years and teams with out talent do not go 8-8 in this league and compete week in and week out.it obvious that we could go 0-16 right now and you would be behind the new regime how dumb.
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Mc20 jus got owned. Lol
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Owned? WTF?? LMAO our D has s8cked even worse since 03, D is coached different than O, plus the D didn’t have anybody the caliber of Mcfadden on that side, s0 think before you talk
December 7th, 2012 at 2:01 am
Nnamdi was a caliber player on D. Shutdown corner in man to man. DMC is glass waiting to shatter.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:02 am
What Mark needs to do is actually hire people who love the Raiders. Not young contract-coaches who just see the role as a contract, a job.
Reggie’s big mistake was hiring a rookie HC. He should’ve been smart enough to realize from what Kiffin and McDaniels did, that young rookie coaches have no idea, and most often fumble and bumble their way thru 2+ years learning on the job, and that inexperienced that they gut rosters and bring in all those mediocre type of players with very low ceiling.
The problem again is this thing of hiring coaches who use this team to “learn on the job” for 2-3 years, getting out-coached every week every year, and then getting canned and in their next HC gig now have better experience to know what not to do.
Al was right…about not letting rookie coaches have too much power, they need to be surrounded with experienced old heads, and just stfu about power/control, be humble, and learn….like Gary Kubiak did at the Texans. He was made HC by title only, they hired old-head coaches to be assistant HC’s who did most of the work, allowing Kubiak over 2-3 years to learn before eventually being ready.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:05 am
Relentless Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:50 am
To be fair, I’m sure everyone bought in at first. Just like our past 7 coaches. But after losing the beginning of the season as usual they give up. I believe if we kept Hue only our defense needed to be upgraded. 8-8 was something to work off. Not completely restructure. Not saying Hue was perfect but way better than this team that is unprepared week after week because of this poor staff.
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Look nothing against Hue again our team still lacked talent, he had talented guy on the side he was the coach of and rode Mcfaddens coat tails, and DA is D coach, he can’t ride on anybody’s coattails, its obvious that our last years team was really bad on D , with better rushers Wimbley, younger seymour and Kelly and not many top passing O’s on schedule, why did anybody expected different things with weak pass rush and more top passing Os on the schedule, but seriously if you’re going to say Hue was way better than this unprepared team week in and week out then why did we go 1-4 in last 5 weeks with things on line? you mean to tell me first 11 weeks were more important and last 5 weeks(needed a few more wins to make the playoffs) were not important including games in which we went down 34-0 2 weeks in a row before scoring first points, and that with an O minded coach LMAO
December 7th, 2012 at 2:05 am
We hire and fire coaches that never become HCs again. Except norv and look how that’s turned out. Lol.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:06 am
Look how many young rookie HCs have ruined their teams…
Kiffin, McDaniels, Raheem Morris, Dennis Allen, Petrino, etc. There’s far more of them than ones who immediately succeed. It’s like they have destiny on their side. People like Gruden and Belichick just had the knack. Allen has obviously has experience behind Payton, Reeves, etc, but his HC stint here shows he just doesn’t have the knack. Hue Jackson had it.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:08 am
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:02 am
What Mark needs to do is actually hire people who love the Raiders. Not young contract-coaches who just see the role as a contract, a job.
Reggie’s big mistake was hiring a rookie HC. He should’ve been smart enough to realize from what Kiffin and McDaniels did, that young rookie coaches have no idea, and most often fumble and bumble their way thru 2+ years learning on the job, and that inexperienced that they gut rosters and bring in all those mediocre type of players with very low ceiling.
The problem again is this thing of hiring coaches who use this team to “learn on the job” for 2-3 years, getting out-coached every week every year, and then getting canned and in their next HC gig now have better experience to know what not to do.
Al was right…about not letting rookie coaches have too much power, they need to be surrounded with experienced old heads, and just stfu about power/control, be humble, and learn….like Gary Kubiak did at the Texans. He was made HC by title only, they hired old-head coaches to be assistant HC’s who did most of the work, allowing Kubiak over 2-3 years to learn before eventually being ready.
–LMAO, Texans had A Johnson at wide receiver and their O picked off when they found UDFA RB (A Foster_ to run in their ZBS, and they been drafting front seven players for many years in a row , it wasn’t until they got Wade phillips and his D, did they start winning,
December 7th, 2012 at 2:08 am
I see ur point mc20. But at least with hue we were one game away. With Da we are years if at all gonna make it to the postseason
December 7th, 2012 at 2:11 am
Relentless Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:05 am
We hire and fire coaches that never become HCs again. Except norv and look how that’s turned out. Lol.
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Except that most of those coaches were only hired because nobody else wanted to work for AL, But DA was a hot commodity , he’s well respected, everyone thinks he will be pretty good soon, just read what Champ bailey said , he said we need players to fit the scheme he wants to use
December 7th, 2012 at 2:14 am
Relentless Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:08 am
I see ur point mc20. But at least with hue we were one game away. With Da we are years if at all gonna make it to the postseason
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Does it matter if we were 1 game away? who cares about atleast we lost by 10 points instead of 15, that doesn’t tell anything about how DA’s future will turn out, if you could predict futures like that and that’s thing worked out , i bet guys who had winning records in the league in their first years would have totaled more superbowl wins, we been lacking talent for years in a row, need to give Reg AND DA some time to build on the D side, I’m happy to see we finally paid attention to that side, we need some players on that side to make it work
December 7th, 2012 at 2:18 am
Kubiak started as “HC” for the Texans in 2006. That was before Foster, Schaub. They had David freaking Carr getting killed by a bad OL, and their defense lacked a considerable amount of pieces. They started their D focus with the Mario Williams draft pick, and over 2-3 years they gradually built that up thru the draft.
Here’s their 2006 roster…
http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/houston-texans/roster/2006
December 7th, 2012 at 2:18 am
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:06 am
Look how many young rookie HCs have ruined their teams…
Kiffin, McDaniels, Raheem Morris, Dennis Allen, Petrino, etc. There’s far more of them than ones who immediately succeed. It’s like they have destiny on their side. People like Gruden and Belichick just had the knack. Allen has obviously has experience behind Payton, Reeves, etc, but his HC stint here shows he just doesn’t have the knack. Hue Jackson had it.
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quit talking out of your ass man, Belichick had 5 seasons under .500 out of 6 seasons he coached in Cleveland, not to forget he finished 5-11 his first year with pats on the heels of 4 consecutive winning seasons, Obviously the guy that was the coach before belichick, Pete Carrol hasn’t even had 25% of the success Belichick had, but i swear you guys would have said Belichick s9cks , he regressed blah blah, bring back Pete carroll LMAO
December 7th, 2012 at 2:19 am
If hue didn’t get the chance why should DA? Like u said it doesn’t matter how much a lose by its still a loss. And DA has racked up plenty. And why install a scheme with players that can’t catch on. Keep what works and fix what doesn’t. If it ain’t broke don’t try to fix it.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:20 am
Yup Houston is one of the top team in the league, they st8ck with even after terrible years under Gary Kubiak and they’re flourishing with him now
December 7th, 2012 at 2:23 am
Relentless Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:19 am
If hue didn’t get the chance why should DA? Like u said it doesn’t matter how much a lose by its still a loss. And DA has racked up plenty. And why install a scheme with players that can’t catch on. Keep what works and fix what doesn’t. If it ain’t broke don’t try to fix it.
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What works?? LMAO , nothing works, you realize 4-3 hasn’t worked since 03? they want to build schemes for long time success, and i believe they will get it going next year if they get their way in offseason and Draft, are you guys just against REG because he fired Hue and want him to fire DA just because of that? LMAO
December 7th, 2012 at 2:23 am
Houston is doing great. Knapp is gone. We brought in brisiel from there gave him a nice contract of 25 mil I believe and all of a sudden he can’t play in ZBS? Coaching is lacking. Starts from the top and trickles down.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:23 am
#208…
You’re missing the point, as you often do Mc20.
Belichick and Gruden learned underneath highly experienced coaches for many years. Just like Allen has. But Belichick and Gruden had the knack. Allen has demonstrated a total absence of it.
That’s the distinction being made — even tho someone may have learned beneath excellent coaches, it doesn’t mean they’re going to automatically become excellent great coaches themselves. They have to have their own innate knack.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:25 am
Keep Reg. He has some decents signings and picks. I just don’t understand this shoot and miss on DA. Then DAs staff is just as miserable.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:27 am
As someone so perfectly stated many threads ago…
Hue Jackson was an offensive-minded coach, with years of experience as an offensive position coach. Soon as he came here, he turned our then Knapp-ruined offense, into a very good offense.
Whilst Dennis Allen is a defensive-minded coach, with years of experience as a defensive position coach. But soon as he came here, he has made our defense even worse, the worst in franchise history.
Whoever it was who highlighted that, was spot on.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:29 am
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:23 am
#208…
You’re missing the point, as you often do Mc20.
Belichick and Gruden learned underneath highly experienced coaches for many years. Just like Allen has. But Belichick and Gruden had the knack. Allen has demonstrated a total absence of it.
That’s the distinction being made — even tho someone may have learned beneath excellent coaches, it doesn’t mean they’re going to automatically become excellent great coaches themselves. They have to have their own innate knack.
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I have missed the point?? I’m just saying Belichick finished under .500 5/6 seasons with cleveland, had losing year with initial year with Pats on the heel of 4 straight winning years? you saying he had Knack?? how would Pats found that out , if they had not kept Belichick, isn’t a lot of people saying DA would become really good? how would we find out how DA will turn out like without giving him chance? wasn’t Gruden going 8-8 2 years in a row was on par with how we went the whole 90s decade? what if AL had fired him? we wouldn’t have found out what he could do
December 7th, 2012 at 2:30 am
Mc20 you laugh at everyones argument against Da as if theyre crazy or senile but youre either comparing DA a 3-10 rookie hc who hasnt shown any sign of promise to belichick and walsh ontop of saying hes a better option than gruden and hue jackson when his team has gotten creamed every game for the past 5 weeks. Lol youre laughing but your arguments are the real joke.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:32 am
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:27 am
As someone so perfectly stated many threads ago…
Hue Jackson was an offensive-minded coach, with years of experience as an offensive position coach. Soon as he came here, he turned our then Knapp-ruined offense, into a very good offense.
Whilst Dennis Allen is a defensive-minded coach, with years of experience as a defensive position coach. But soon as he came here, he has made our defense even worse, the worst in franchise history.
Whoever it was who highlighted that, was spot on.
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Except that Hue had Mcfadden on O side, DA was saddled with cash checkers on his side, He made our D worse? the same D that couldn’t force 1 punt in our last game, when we needed a win to make the playoffs? LMFAO
December 7th, 2012 at 2:33 am
That was me GG. Like I said the offense wasn’t broke but da felt the need to change it. And he was a defensive backs coach in NO during the bounty and our DBs suck ass.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:35 am
#216…
because Allen inherited a pretty good roster, a two-year 8-8 and SHOULD HAVE if he was any good, been a first year success story like Greg Schiano has been. Instead, what I see from Allen is exactly the same as I saw from Raheem Morris. He just totally lost the players, they were playing as badly as we are this year, that’s when you can tell a HC isn’t good, when he loses his players and is a shell of himself on the sideline, and the players are all playing heartless.
Belichick and Gruden in their early years never steered such pathetic state of disarray as Morris and Allen have.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:35 am
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:06 am
Look how many young rookie HCs have ruined their teams…
Kiffin, McDaniels, Raheem Morris, Dennis Allen, Petrino, etc. There’s far more of them than ones who immediately succeed. It’s like they have destiny on their side. People like Gruden and Belichick just had the knack. Allen has obviously has experience behind Payton, Reeves, etc, but his HC stint here shows he just doesn’t have the knack. Hue Jackson had it.
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A lot of people forget Petrino bailed on the falcons with a resignation note! Nick Saban was smart enough to leave and go back to college, as was Steve Spurrier. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out…do they stick it out with Dennis Allen or do they capitulate to the telegenic presence and previous success of Jon Gruden?
December 7th, 2012 at 2:35 am
Truth is gruden, belichick, hue, walsh, are all good coaches and we know this because they proved it and their teams were competitive. Da has proven nothing, all he has proven is that hes in a league of his own when it comes to stink. Until he wins atleast 8 games please dont mention him in the same breath as these men because he hasnt earned the right to be mentioned with them.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:36 am
#219….
:thumbs up: to you sir!
December 7th, 2012 at 2:37 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:30 am
Mc20 you laugh at everyones argument against Da as if theyre crazy or senile but youre either comparing DA a 3-10 rookie hc who hasnt shown any sign of promise to belichick and walsh ontop of saying hes a better option than gruden and hue jackson when his team has gotten creamed every game for the past 5 weeks. Lol youre laughing but your arguments are the real joke.
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I never said He’s better option than Gruden or Hue, i wanted to see what Hue could do in his 2nd year, and the same way i want to see what Hue could do in his 2nd year, and I’m not comparing DAs coaching career to Belichicks or Bill walsh career, I’m saying that most hall of fame coaches had bad rookie years win – lose wise, you can make any case you want that they showed this or that kinda quality to be kept around, but why does the coaches who went 17-46 combined in their rookie years have more superbowls than coaches who had winning seasons in their rookie years? It just shows you that you can’t judge coaches in 1 year
December 7th, 2012 at 2:37 am
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:35 am
#216…
because Allen inherited a pretty good roster, a two-year 8-8 and SHOULD HAVE if he was any good, been a first year success story like Greg Schiano has been. Instead, what I see from Allen is exactly the same as I saw from Raheem Morris. He just totally lost the players, they were playing as badly as we are this year, that’s when you can tell a HC isn’t good, when he loses his players and is a shell of himself on the sideline, and the players are all playing heartless.
Belichick and Gruden in their early years never steered such pathetic state of disarray as Morris and Allen have.
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I would add that Belichick’s success is due in part to Tom Brady, and how BAD the other teams were in the division – which led to an instant 6 wins every season – look how well better coached teams with talent did – Seahawks shocked them….Ravens beat them in the playoffs once – the league’s QBs will decline and the next generation is coming…will Pryor be a part of the new generation of RGIII or a wasted pick under Dennis Allen?
December 7th, 2012 at 2:40 am
coaches who have won 3 or more superbowls went 17-46 combined in rookie years, you guys need to stfu about this regression and sh1t and give DA some time, Knapp is just another story
December 7th, 2012 at 2:42 am
RaiderSam Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:37 am
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:35 am
#216…
because Allen inherited a pretty good roster, a two-year 8-8 and SHOULD HAVE if he was any good, been a first year success story like Greg Schiano has been. Instead, what I see from Allen is exactly the same as I saw from Raheem Morris. He just totally lost the players, they were playing as badly as we are this year, that’s when you can tell a HC isn’t good, when he loses his players and is a shell of himself on the sideline, and the players are all playing heartless.
Belichick and Gruden in their early years never steered such pathetic state of disarray as Morris and Allen have.
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I would add that Belichick’s success is due in part to Tom Brady, and how BAD the other teams were in the division – which led to an instant 6 wins every season – look how well better coached teams with talent did – Seahawks shocked them….Ravens beat them in the playoffs once – the league’s QBs will decline and the next generation is coming…will Pryor be a part of the new generation of RGIII or a wasted pick under Dennis Allen?
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Really comparing Pryor who went in 3rd with no competetion from other players to RGIII, who washington gave up kings ransom to just move 4 spots so they can draft him?? you lose your cred with those kinda stupid statements
December 7th, 2012 at 2:42 am
I’m just flat out sick and tired of seeing an ill prepared team getting murked every week because of an inadequate coaching staff. Da coasted off of Denver’s d last year. Here he actually has a chance to change without ad over his shoulder and it might possibly the worst d in franchise history.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:43 am
Mc20…the Raiders are in a major crisis right now. This isn’t some bad year, or some bad month. What Allen/Tarver/Knapp/etc have done is bring the state of the Raiders from a newly risen/proven hope (Cable-Hue), a roster laden with talent, the right schemes in place for that roster, and turned it into a tragic crash-site. Us fans are all standing there just shocked and upset, crying, angry, everything is ruined. Not just performances on-field, but where the heads/hearts of players are. All these young promising players gutted, lacking confidence, shelved, hating coming to work, literal ghosts going thru the motions eager for the year to hurry and end so they can find new teams (if Allen is still here) or get some real coaches.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:46 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:35 am
Truth is gruden, belichick, hue, walsh, are all good coaches and we know this because they proved it and their teams were competitive. Da has proven nothing, all he has proven is that hes in a league of his own when it comes to stink. Until he wins atleast 8 games please dont mention him in the same breath as these men because he hasnt earned the right to be mentioned with them.
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You added Hue with those coaches while you accused me of comparing DA to to B walsh and Belichic? LMAO, even though i just made a point that those coaches had losing years in first couple of years and they ended up doing pretty well so just saying we need to give DA time because we don’t know what he really can do ? atleast with some good players on his side of expertise, you can’t compare him to Hue, Hue had Mcfadden who he could build his team around, Who does DA have to build around? how can DA be successful with guys drafted by AL to stop the run game, rushing the passer?
December 7th, 2012 at 2:47 am
Pryor is no rg3 but has a similar skill set. Time to see what he can do if the game isn’t manageable anymore. Was da so clueless to see that the time was today if not should have been last week.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:48 am
Post 225 cmon man brady didnt start for the pats until the playoffs, they had already won a wild card game before brady ever started. They had bledsoe and he got hurt in the championship game for the conference they were competiti e even without brady, hell they went 11-5 with matt cassel… Theyre just a well coached team get over it. They never do the same thing twice, the use multiple recievers, tight ends, running backs you name it they do it. Theyre very creative its more than jst tom brady that makes that team go… Theyre coach has imagination something our coach lacks.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:50 am
Isn’t McFadden still on the team? How can da not build off him? Oh yea he sucks now because of zbs. And who brought in that oc? Oh yea it was da. And who chose us to have Knapp? Oh yea da. His decisions have looked great right off the bat.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:51 am
DA is 3-10, the team regressed, and fools want to give him more time? He has to be 6-20 for them to realize he is not the answer.
McFadden needs a life. He is ruining this blog.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:52 am
Mc20, please respond to this.
I put it to you this way, and I want your honest answers….
Have you seen ANY progress at all in any facet of this football team under Allen this year as a whole in comparison to where this team was even last 4 games last year?
Have you seen any progress at all in any facet of this team in the last 5 weeks?
Please illustrate what, if any, facets you have seen progress in.
Allen inherited the same roster 90% of what Hue had last year, and what Cable had the year before. Under Tom and Hue, the Raiders progressed in many different facets. They weren’t “there” yet, but they were on the climb and the roster was talent laden like it hadn’t been the years before under Kiffin and prior. Where Tom and Hue left this team, is where you THEN start to judge Allen. What has Allen done since then that’s shown any progress?
And don’t give me this “Allen was burdened with xyz” talk. Hue had Bresnahan. Tom had Russell. Etc. They both had many injuries to deal with, more than Allen has seen with this team.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:53 am
Was DA smiling or laughing after this game, or does he only smile/ laugh after big losses.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:53 am
O DA has ruined this blog. And the Raiders. And my year for that matter. 2013 can’t come soon enough.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:53 am
You guys can think whatever regarding DA (he will be here 1 more year anyways )but the truth is there are more HOF coaches who had losing years in their rookie coaching years than guys who had winning years, so you never know what you got until you give that coach enough time to judge him, kinda reacting like AL Davis, let’s reload baby, just bring this or that guy in and we will be all right LMAO, c’mon man, haven’t we been doing that over 10 years now , why not try something different like give some coach a couple of years, or atleast a decent offseason when the Manager could bring playmakers in FA or in draft, C’mon nation i thought you guys were smarter than that
December 7th, 2012 at 2:56 am
Mc20 yes I added hue to that list because hes won atleast 8 games as an hc before, believe it or not thats hard to do in the nfl. And ive seen what DA has to offer, these past 5 weeks have shown that. Only a blind fool needs 16 more games of this bafoonery to see Da for what he is…
December 7th, 2012 at 2:57 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:48 am
Post 225 cmon man brady didnt start for the pats until the playoffs, they had already won a wild card game before brady ever started. They had bledsoe and he got hurt in the championship game for the conference they were competiti e even without brady, hell they went 11-5 with matt cassel… Theyre just a well coached team get over it. They never do the same thing twice, the use multiple recievers, tight ends, running backs you name it they do it. Theyre very creative its more than jst tom brady that makes that team go… Theyre coach has imagination something our coach lacks.
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Yeah but we would have never heard of Belichick had Pats reacted like much of this fanbase and fired him after he went 5-11 on the heels of 4 straight winning years kinda like how everybody wants to run DA outta town after couple 8-8 years beating only 1 good team LMAO
December 7th, 2012 at 2:58 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:32 am
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:27 am
As someone so perfectly stated many threads ago…
Hue Jackson was an offensive-minded coach, with years of experience as an offensive position coach. Soon as he came here, he turned our then Knapp-ruined offense, into a very good offense.
Whilst Dennis Allen is a defensive-minded coach, with years of experience as a defensive position coach. But soon as he came here, he has made our defense even worse, the worst in franchise history.
Whoever it was who highlighted that, was spot on.
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Except that Hue had Mcfadden on O side, DA was saddled with cash checkers on his side, He made our D worse? the same D that couldn’t force 1 punt in our last game, when we needed a win to make the playoffs? LMFAO
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Arguing with McFadden is useless
December 7th, 2012 at 3:00 am
Not arguing with mc20. Just deeply confused by his logic. Not bashing him like some of the trolls on this site.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:01 am
Try something different: keep a loser HC another year? Didn’t we do that with Cable?
LOL
December 7th, 2012 at 3:04 am
We should keep DA because some of the good coaches struggled their rookie year.
Great logic: what about all the bad coaches that struggled their rookie year and continued to struggle? Do you have that stat?
December 7th, 2012 at 3:05 am
Satele should still be our C and wiz our G. This o line is turrible America. DA hand picked these coaches.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:05 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:56 am
Mc20 yes I added hue to that list because hes won atleast 8 games as an hc before, believe it or not thats hard to do in the nfl. And ive seen what DA has to offer, these past 5 weeks have shown that. Only a blind fool needs 16 more games of this bafoonery to see Da for what he is…
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you seen what DA has to offer? tell me again isn’t that the same thing you would have said if you were a cowboys fan when Tom Landry went 0-11-1 ?? ?? whiners fan when B Walsh went 2-14 , cowboys fan whenJimmy Johnson went 1=15, Pats fan when B Belichic went 5-11? I don’t have to fight with you guys because DA will be here anyways whether you guys renew your tickets or not , you can’t judge a rookie coach, especially in a year when he wasn’t even afforded a real offseason , that’s like asking you to beat Usain Bolt in a race while he’s afforded all kinda equipments to work with and get better and you were only average to begin with but asked to beat with out getting all the workout machines, treadmills and other world class facilities to work in?> how the eff r you going to do beat him?
December 7th, 2012 at 3:06 am
Mc20 it doesnt even look like DA will reach 5 games the way he has this team playing… Thats bad because our schedule isnt even that tough… Even clecveland beat us at HOME with a 40 yr old rookie qb. Smh
December 7th, 2012 at 3:07 am
Also, Hue had to deal with the sudden death mid-season of Al Davis himself. He had to just carry the load himself and try to carry on. He had Moore out for 6 weeks. Had DHB in the doghouse for a few weeks. Had Ford injured for 6 weeks. Had Dmac injured for 8 weeks. He lost his starting QB mid-season with no viable back-up. He had to acquire a Testarverde type of QB, a vet spending more than 6 months on the sofa, had to get him in quick and try to crash-course the offense into him. No chemistry established with any WRs. All done on the fly.
Allen has walked into a stable regime, with a young GM, given total control of the roster, and coaching staff, not had any significant injuries to get thru, none of what Hue had to endure where a WR would come back as another was injured again, Shaughnessy was out most of the year, etc, that non-continuity, whilst Allen has had the same roster healthy, or only a few out all together, and had continuity with the rest of the roster being healthy, Allen has full sway with the defense, he had Palmer all schooled up in the offense and established chemistry with the entire healthy WRs from the get-go, had a full pre-season where Hue didn’t, Allen didn’t have to carry the load himself as HC/GM with the passing of THE raider icon himself, etc.
Allen has been served on a silver platter an entry point into coaching where he had every opportunity to succeed right away. Stability, roster talent, roster health, full roster control, a young GM, modern scouting computers etc, didn’t have that Al staff to contend with like Herrera etc all pulling in various ways, taking sides, etc.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:07 am
Satele would have been a lot cheaper and better than M Briseil who shouldn’t be in the field.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:08 am
Ok so now DA is the second coming of tom landry??? Lmao yea… Ok mc20 keep telling yourself that… What ever helps you sleep at night.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:09 am
Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:58 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:32 am
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:27 am
As someone so perfectly stated many threads ago…
Hue Jackson was an offensive-minded coach, with years of experience as an offensive position coach. Soon as he came here, he turned our then Knapp-ruined offense, into a very good offense.
Whilst Dennis Allen is a defensive-minded coach, with years of experience as a defensive position coach. But soon as he came here, he has made our defense even worse, the worst in franchise history.
Whoever it was who highlighted that, was spot on.
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Except that Hue had Mcfadden on O side, DA was saddled with cash checkers on his side, He made our D worse? the same D that couldn’t force 1 punt in our last game, when we needed a win to make the playoffs? LMFAO
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Arguing with McFadden is useless
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Oh what about all the winning coaches in rookie years , everybody fell in love with but went onto disappoint rest of their careers? you can’t judge coaches based on their rookie years, you really can’t predict how they will turn out like, i don’t think anybody predicted Tom Landry would become only of the 13 coaches ever to win multiple Superbowls after going 0-11-1 in his rookie year
December 7th, 2012 at 3:09 am
We are 3-10, lost to 2 rookie QBs, lost to the browns, we regressed on offense/ defense/ STs, but hey….. Lets give DA another year to show us what he can do.
Effie monkeys!
December 7th, 2012 at 3:10 am
Oh what about all the winning coaches in rookie years , everybody fell in love with but went onto disappoint rest of their careers? you can’t judge coaches based on their rookie years, you really can’t predict how they will turn out like, i don’t think anybody predicted Tom Landry would become only of the 13 coaches ever to win multiple Superbowls after going 0-11-1 in his rookie year
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Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:04 am
We should keep DA because some of the good coaches struggled their rookie year.
Great logic: what about all the bad coaches that struggled their rookie year and continued to struggle? Do you have that stat?
December 7th, 2012 at 3:10 am
Preach GG. The truth shall set you free!
December 7th, 2012 at 3:12 am
Mc20…still waiting to hear your response to my #235 post. Please don’t be evasive.
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This post is spot on…Belichick made that team, not Brady. Brady is a system-QB. Belichick is a strong believer in building from the lines out, having a killer OL able to protect for 5+ seconds is a huge advantage to a QB, Cassel’s year of success vindicates Belichick. Also, as perfectly stated below, Belichick is forever creative and learning new techniques from college or wherever, always unpredictable and utilizing personnel ingeniously. He had WRs playing DB, TEs playing RB, had kickers do drop kick FGs, had QBs doing pooch punts, and as a defensive minded coach, he’s always mind-fvcked opposition co-ordinators.
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:48 am
Post 225 cmon man brady didnt start for the pats until the playoffs, they had already won a wild card game before brady ever started. They had bledsoe and he got hurt in the championship game for the conference they were competiti e even without brady, hell they went 11-5 with matt cassel… Theyre just a well coached team get over it. They never do the same thing twice, the use multiple recievers, tight ends, running backs you name it they do it. Theyre very creative its more than jst tom brady that makes that team go… Theyre coach has imagination something our coach lacks.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:12 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:08 am
Ok so now DA is the second coming of tom landry??? Lmao yea… Ok mc20 keep telling yourself that… What ever helps you sleep at night.
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I’m just saying , that i bet guys were probably saying the same stuff about Landry, B walsh , Jimmy Johnson, Belichick, Chuck Noll, funny that most coaches who have won multiple superbowls had losing years 9/13 are you saying that people expected them to win superbowls LMFAO
December 7th, 2012 at 3:13 am
Post 244 mc20 gets owned again. Lol
December 7th, 2012 at 3:13 am
Cable was a rookie HC who struggled his rookie year. Is he a SB winning coach?
December 7th, 2012 at 3:16 am
I’m so angry I’m watching Maury at 3am.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:20 am
I hope if Mark Davis can’t get Gruden back, he can swallow his pride and get Hue back. As much as Hue erred, he was the next hope we had since Gruden.
Please Mark, patch up relations with Hue if you really can’t get Gruden back.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:22 am
Nobody expected Da to win the sb, just be competitive and show improvement through the weeks but weve seen the opposite from him thus far… Were continually getting worse, and you can blame talent all you want but losses to the browns show its not just talent because theyre not world beayers either and they had their way with us as well at home… DA stinks bro sorry.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:23 am
Nobody expected Da to win the sb, just be competitive and show improvement through the weeks but weve seen the opposite from him thus far… Were continually getting worse, and you can blame talent all you want but losses to the browns show its not just talent because theyre not world beaters either and they had their way with us as well at home… DA stinks bro sorry.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:25 am
Who thought our defense can be worse than last year especially after we hired a defensive minded HC?.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:28 am
#261/2
Yep, this train-wreck keeps getting worse the longer Allen has been here. And we were handed a win vs the Jaguars by the officials. We’re really a 2-11 team under Allen, and continuing to get worse.
There’s that equal sense of tragedy like a crash-site. Fans all standing there horrified, in shock, crying/angry, at a terrible tragedy before their eyes. It’s a slow agonizing death.
I hate Dennis Allen as much as I hate Greg Knapp and Jason Tarver. They’re all Raider-haters.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:30 am
We’re freaking 3-10 FFS!!
I want blood now.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:32 am
Raider O, I thought you were kinda smart but you proved otherwise , Rookie Coaches , rookie players take time to get together, some take more time than others and some have worse years than their fellow rookies but go onto have better career than all of those guys who did better than them , P Maning didn’t have the greatest Rookie year, his arch nemesis is a guy who was drafted in the 6th rd, both guys are considered top 10 Qbs , many players,coaches have flopped in their first year and flourished in their next year and many have done the opposite ,= what we have in DA , we really won’t find out until we give him a real offseason , who knows which OC DA really wanted to hire but wasn’t available so he settled with knapp , who knows which playmakers DA could have brought over to help his D but couldn’t because of salary cap situation, I mean atleast give him a freakin full offseason, you ain’t even giving him that ( I mean again DA will be here another year ) I just wished you guys got the point I was trying to make but I know the most logical thing to do is keep firing coaches until the guy has a good year ,it could take 20 coaches and 1 of those 20 probably wins a Super Bowl with another team before we find a coach that appeases the fans and shows them he will b successful by taking advantage of an easy schedule lol
December 7th, 2012 at 3:33 am
We’re the joke of the NFL right now. Opposition teams/coaches/players all showing sympathy and sadness at the state of the Raiders. Easing up on us to not hurt our feelings, we’re that fvcked and pathetic, we’re a literal tragedy right now in the league. It’s like feeling sorry for a down-syndrome person, realizing they’re not all there, so can’t be harsh or even trash-talk them. Just pat them on the back, try to beat them as softly as possible, say nice things about them, and then move on.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:34 am
Yea man theyre awful. You judge a man by what he does and DA has does nothing and he will be criticized accordingly until he shows us different. TherE are no passes given when youre getting paid millions… Warm up season my @$$.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:35 am
Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:09 am
We are 3-10, lost to 2 rookie QBs, lost to the browns, we regressed on offense/ defense/ STs, but hey….. Lets give DA another year to show us what he can do.
Effie monkeys!
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Yeah brilliant logic.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:35 am
It should be clear to everyone by now that Pryor isn’t going to play this year, or any year, for the Raiders.
I’m not saying he shouldn’t, just that he won’t.
People bagging on Palmer need to buy a clue, he’s had no running game to support him.
Did you see Nowshow Moreno run last night?
He’s benefiting from a potent passing attack.
Give Palmer a decent running game and watch out.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:38 am
Not give a rookie guy a chance with a decent offseason but let’s bring back a guy who has been out of football for 4 years and had losing seasons in atleast 3 out of his last 5 years , how did that turn out with Art Shell or in Washington with Joe Gibbs?p
December 7th, 2012 at 3:39 am
C’mon Mark Davis. Pull reign. Fire Allen, Tarver, Knapp, Hoffman, right now. And for the last three games, promote position coaches to the HC, DC, OC, and ST roles.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:39 am
If chuky comes here pryor will play….
December 7th, 2012 at 3:44 am
And after seeing what the current staff has done to Carson im not so sure I want to see them touch pryor, theyve made all of our star players look like sht from palmer, to dmac,to d moore, and heyward bey on down. They dont develop players they seem to hamper them.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:46 am
Not a big deal if a team goes 8-8 two seasons outta last 10, sun shines in everybodies ass, we lack talent, branch couldn’t intercept the first play by broncos on the D ( yeah I know there was penalty on our d blah blah , still doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have intercepted it , and then first O play?? Wanna guess what happens ?? McFadden drops a catch that would have went for atleast 25 yards… So those are the 1st plays respectably on both sides of the field we chocked on In the first play , how can you win like that ?yeah let’s fire coach after coach , instead of getting guys like Houston, Streater, or Adams who step up when their names are called
December 7th, 2012 at 3:46 am
Im so fvcking angry ive been wanting to like trash a hotel rock-n-roll style all night
December 7th, 2012 at 3:47 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:39 am
If chuky comes here pryor will play….
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Last time I watched him, he liked veteran teams led by veteran quarterbacks , get your sh1( straight
December 7th, 2012 at 3:48 am
Mc20…
Please respond to #235 and #248. You being so evasive responding ONLY shows you can’t defend Allen.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:49 am
Raider O, I thought you were kinda smart but you proved otherwise , Rookie Coaches , rookie players take time to get together, some take more time than others and some have worse years than their fellow rookies but go onto have better career than all of those guys who did better than them , P Maning didn’t have the greatest Rookie year, his arch nemesis is a guy who was drafted in the 6th rd, both guys are considered top 10 Qbs , many players,coaches have flopped in their first year and flourished in their next year and many have done the opposite ,= what we have in DA , we really won’t find out until we give him a real offseason , who knows which OC DA really wanted to hire but wasn’t available so he settled with knapp , who knows which playmakers DA could have brought over to help his D but couldn’t because of salary cap situation, I mean atleast give him a freakin full offseason, you ain’t even giving him that ( I mean again DA will be here another year ) I just wished you guys got the point I was trying to make but I know the most logical thing to do is keep firing coaches until the guy has a good year ,it could take 20 coaches and 1 of those 20 probably wins a Super Bowl with another team before we find a coach that appeases the fans and shows them he will b successful by taking advantage of an easy schedule lol
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There is no point to the gibberish you post.
-Some good coaches struggled their rookie year, so we should keep DA another year?
-we don’t have talent now but we had talent last year? Who Wimbley and Routt?
-we won against bad teams last year, but we can’t beat bad teams this year?
Your arguments lack logic.
Watch the game, post less, and maybe you can learn something. You are really ruining this blog dude. Stop posting so much ignorance. Please.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:50 am
If the coaching staff su@@s so bad, then why is Lamar Houston bringing it every play, where did Adams came from ? Who coached him up ? How is Streater making plays 2 weeks in a row , while you guys claim DHB and Moore regressed with these guys like seriously I will say it again , get your sh1t right
December 7th, 2012 at 3:51 am
We are all idiots but the guy who started watching football a decade ago is the smartest person here?
LOL
Stop posting. You are embarrassing yourself.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:51 am
Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:49 am
There is no point to the gibberish you post.
-Some good coaches struggled their rookie year, so we should keep DA another year?
-we don’t have talent now but we had talent last year? Who Wimbley and Routt?
-we won against bad teams last year, but we can’t beat bad teams this year?
Your arguments lack logic.
Watch the game, post less, and maybe you can learn something. You are really ruining this blog dude. Stop posting so much ignorance. Please.
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December 7th, 2012 at 3:54 am
Dennis Allen is indefensable.
No point even trying, because deep down they know it’s BS what they’re saying.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:54 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:50 am
If the coaching staff su@@s so bad, then why is Lamar Houston bringing it every play, where did Adams came from ? Who coached him up ? How is Streater making plays 2 weeks in a row , while you guys claim DHB and Moore regressed with these guys like seriously I will say it again , get your sh1t right
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our OL, DL, STs, DHB, Moore, and DMC regressed. That’s a fact, but hey… It has nothing to do with coaching.
LOL
December 7th, 2012 at 3:57 am
Mike Wauffle is a perfect example of how it is coaching.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:57 am
Btw, I don’t think DA will get fired since we gave him a 4 year contract. We would have to pay him and the new HC, which I don’t think will happen.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:59 am
Let’s say Allen is on $2m a year. If we hired Gruden at even $5m a year, the amount of money Mark would make from merchandise and ticket sales would more than offset $6m lost on Dennis.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:00 am
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:57 am
Mike Wauffle is a perfect example of how it is coaching.
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Exactly. Our DL played much better last year, but that’s because TK and Seymour were 1 year younger. lol
December 7th, 2012 at 4:01 am
#266: the same lack of confidence Allen has in TP, most of the Raider nation have the same lack of confidence in Allen. I’m 50, was born and raised in Oakland as a diehard, devoted Raiders fan. I now make road trips from LA on occassion to see them live even though I have access to every game on Directv. Allen is by far the worse coach in Raiders history and we’ve had some bum occupying the job. The guy is a train wreck. A weak pencil neck geek who doesn’t deserve the honor of being a Raider or part of the franchise in any way shape or form.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:01 am
Who gives a rookie HC with 1 year experience as DC a 4 year contract?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:03 am
Derek Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:01 am
#266: the same lack of confidence Allen has in TP, most of the Raider nation have the same lack of confidence in Allen. I’m 50, was born and raised in Oakland as a diehard, devoted Raiders fan. I now make road trips from LA on occassion to see them live even though I have access to every game on Directv. Allen is by far the worse coach in Raiders history and we’ve had some bum occupying the job. The guy is a train wreck. A weak pencil neck geek who doesn’t deserve the honor of being a Raider or part of the franchise in any way shape or form.
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LOL! Agreed.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 am
Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:01 am
Who gives a rookie HC with 1 year experience as DC a 4 year contract?
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Chubby Checker..and the Donkos were horrible on defense last year.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:05 am
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:59 am
Let’s say Allen is on $2m a year. If we hired Gruden at even $5m a year, the amount of money Mark would make from merchandise and ticket sales would more than offset $6m lost on Dennis.
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I think Gruden will demand more than $5. Jim Harbaugh’s is getting $5.
Good point.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:05 am
Raider O, a lot of the problems are correctable, Knapp is replaceable ,with someone better, but even with knapp , the problems come from guys not making plays ,I know Knapps play calling doesn’t give them a chance but it is what it is ,guys still need to make plays, D is workable , it has sucked over many years , D can’t get near Qb’s unless we send more than 5 guys every play,but that’s impossible unless you have great cover guys ,which we don’t have,so back to the point why our D has regressed, Wimbley wasn’t a top sack guy but he altered littlle bit of Qb’s timings, because he was always near Qb’s,plus Kelly and Seymour were 1 year younger and were able to push the pocket back , which led Qb’s to slide toward Wimbleys place or the other ends place, I mean it’s common sense, top D lines , get into Qb’s heads and alter their throws even when they are not getting sacked, didn’t we get one of the int on a throw when Houston got near Manning,also had manning make quick decision on the first play ,which would have resulted in pick 6, if not for penalty and scrub safety and one other play where instead of being a pick in the end zone ,gio never turned around just got flagged for pi,so we have regressed really bad, we can’t even get near Qb’s on some 3rd and 18 passing downs, do you think guys always get sacked on 3rd down? Nope but it always make them take quick decisions and throw it off to their checkdowns, and btw before you say it’s all coaching lemme tell you that outta 7 guys with atleast 10 sacks ,5 of them were top 15 picks
December 7th, 2012 at 4:09 am
Btw McFadden,
P Manning is one of the best QB prospects to come out of college, most rookie QBs struggle their 1st year while they adjust, and that’s why no one judged him based on his rookie year.
DA is no P Manning.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:09 am
#284, Raider O: I’m willing to bet you’re not a very sucessful guy. Only a pure loser and/or low ambition type would be satisfied with the Raiders coaching staff. Excuses are for losers and underachievers. If you’re not winning, you’re simply doing it wrong, you’re a failure. If Allen had any integrity he’d simply admit reality and quit. Right now he’s stealing money and humiliating himself at the same time.
Notice Denvers D is much better without him. Houstons offense is much better without Knapp.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:10 am
Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:00 am
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:57 am
Mike Wauffle is a perfect example of how it is coaching.
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Exactly. Our DL played much better last year, but that’s because TK and Seymour were 1 year younger. lol
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Yeah it’s all coaching 33 years guys perform pretty much the same like when they were younger , we see that all over the NFL LmFAO
December 7th, 2012 at 4:12 am
McFadden,
Like I said many times, good coaches find ways to win. Denver and Miami went to the POs with Tebow and the Wildcat offense. Look at what Harbaugh’s did with A Smith. You underestimate good coaching.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:15 am
Derek Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:09 am
#284, Raider O: I’m willing to bet you’re not a very sucessful guy. Only a pure loser and/or low ambition type would be satisfied with the Raiders coaching staff. Excuses are for losers and underachievers. If you’re not winning, you’re simply doing it wrong, you’re a failure. If Allen had any integrity he’d simply admit reality and quit. Right now he’s stealing money and humiliating himself at the same time.
Notice Denvers D is much better without him. Houstons offense is much better without Knapp.
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WTF???
I’m not satisfied with this coaching staff.
I’m doing ok, but thanks for your concern. Don’t bet. You are not good at it.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:16 am
Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:09 am
Btw McFadden,
P Manning is one of the best QB prospects to come out of college, most rookie QBs struggle their 1st year while they adjust, and that’s why no one judged him based on his rookie year.
DA is no P Manning.
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Exactly so wasn’t he supposed to have one of the best rookie seasons for any QB, I mean guys like Cam Surpassed him and all that? Rookies are rookies ,people make mistakes doing things for first time ,and they correct stuff on their way or they never learn, but you won’t find out what you got with them until you give them time, it’s better to do that and just go with new head coach every year , Pitts have stuck with same coaches year after year including with the guy who didn’t make playoffs until his 4th or 5th year ,but now holds the record for most superbowls by a coAch, Raiders had success with Madden, Flores, Gruden,not so much when Al went on his firing spree
December 7th, 2012 at 4:16 am
Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:54 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:50 am
If the coaching staff su@@s so bad, then why is Lamar Houston bringing it every play, where did Adams came from ? Who coached him up ? How is Streater making plays 2 weeks in a row , while you guys claim DHB and Moore regressed with these guys like seriously I will say it again , get your sh1t right
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our OL, DL, STs, DHB, Moore, and DMC regressed. That’s a fact, but hey… It has nothing to do with coaching.
LOL
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Derek Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:09 am
#284, Raider O: I’m willing to bet you’re not a very sucessful guy. Only a pure loser and/or low ambition type would be satisfied with the Raiders coaching staff. Excuses are for losers and underachievers. If you’re not winning, you’re simply doing it wrong, you’re a failure. If Allen had any integrity he’d simply admit reality and quit. Right now he’s stealing money and humiliating himself at the same time.
Notice Denvers D is much better without him. Houstons offense is much better without Knapp.
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I guess you are too dumb or drunk to understand sarcasm.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:19 am
Cable was a rookie, did he improve?
Josh McDaniels was a rookie, did he improve?
To give a HC more time just because he is a rookie makes no sense to me. You have to earn it.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:21 am
Raider O, a lot of the problems are correctable
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And that’s why we blame the coaching staff.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:25 am
Keeping DA will cost Mark Davis more than DA earns. The stadium will be empty every week including exhibition game. Fan will not pay to see what DA’s coaching or selling.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:26 am
Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:12 am
McFadden,
Like I said many times, good coaches find ways to win. Denver and Miami went to the POs with Tebow and the Wildcat offense. Look at what Harbaugh’s did with A Smith. You underestimate
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Again you don’t get the point, it’s easy to take over teams when they were good but needed a just few tweaks, Callahan did that, Gruden took Dungys team, M Tomlin took over a Pitts team led by Dick Lebeu team, J Harbaugh of baltimore took over great Ravens team, we Schiefert took over for B Walsh , first year magic doesnt happen just like that , Whiners had great D, but their O wasn’t doingsh1t in Comes a offensive guy, who asked his team to play turnover free football and here they are, would have been different story if he had this D
December 7th, 2012 at 4:29 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:26 am
Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:12 am
McFadden,
Like I said many times, good coaches find ways to win. Denver and Miami went to the POs with Tebow and the Wildcat offense. Look at what Harbaugh’s did with A Smith. You underestimate
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Again you don’t get the point, it’s easy to take over teams when they were good but needed a just few tweaks, Callahan did that, Gruden took Dungys team, M Tomlin took over a Pitts team led by Dick Lebeu team, J Harbaugh of baltimore took over great Ravens team, we Schiefert took over for B Walsh , first year magic doesnt happen just like that , Whiners had great D, but their O wasn’t doingsh1t in Comes a offensive guy, who asked his team to play turnover free football and here they are, would have been different story if he had this D
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LOL
And you do?
I said A Smith. He was considered a bust before Harbaugh. I agree their team is much better, but that’s not the point. I’m talking about ONE player and not the team.
I guess you don’t understand what good coaching can do for a team
December 7th, 2012 at 4:30 am
DA took over a team that wasn’t that good to begin with, ok, I get it.
BUT IT WASN’T AS BAD AS IT IS NOW!
Did the players suddenly become this atrocious in one year?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:30 am
Good showing For Adams and Houston……hope they keep them both…… The Oline looked better ….the Db’s still don’t watch for the ball…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:32 am
And MCFaddens health is just frustrating …hurt again…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:33 am
Raider O you think you’re smart or something but history proves that if you judge coaches based on they do in their rookie years, you will likey be wrong 75% if you had to pick which coach would win the SB , you wouldn’t have picked Chuck Noll, Landrh, Belichick, Walsh,jimmy Johnson and other guys who all all combined to win more than half of Te leagues to Super Bowl trophies given out to the date , again DA will be here another year, ain’t worried about that, just wished things were different in here, I’m pretty sure you would probably have a little joke on the side to use for my next comment ,or something and just ignore all that but anyways carry on gnite
December 7th, 2012 at 4:34 am
Adams got beat on that play, but he made a great play. Great INT.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:36 am
Raider O I don’t drink and I’m smart enough to be a top 1% income owning business owner. I’m relaxing and blogging from Thailand, while you’re either up at 4 am getting ready to go work for a guy like me or just getting off after working for a guy like me. I can’t be too dumb.
Now back to basics. I do see we both agree DA must go. The guy is a loser.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:36 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:30 am
DA took over a team that wasn’t that good to begin with, ok, I get it.
BUT IT WASN’T AS BAD AS IT IS NOW!
Did the players suddenly become this atrocious in one year?
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It has to do with knapp, he’s not doing guys favor with his play calling and using the the weakness receivers too much instead of using the strength , again that’s all fixable with a call to another O,D is fixable with couple of pass rushers
December 7th, 2012 at 4:37 am
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:07 am
Also, Hue had to deal with the sudden death mid-season of Al Davis himself. He had to just carry the load himself and try to carry on. He had Moore out for 6 weeks. Had DHB in the doghouse for a few weeks. Had Ford injured for 6 weeks. Had Dmac injured for 8 weeks. He lost his starting QB mid-season with no viable back-up. He had to acquire a Testarverde type of QB, a vet spending more than 6 months on the sofa, had to get him in quick and try to crash-course the offense into him. No chemistry established with any WRs. All done on the fly.
Allen has walked into a stable regime, with a young GM, given total control of the roster, and coaching staff, not had any significant injuries to get thru, none of what Hue had to endure where a WR would come back as another was injured again, Shaughnessy was out most of the year, etc, that non-continuity, whilst Allen has had the same roster healthy, or only a few out all together, and had continuity with the rest of the roster being healthy, Allen has full sway with the defense, he had Palmer all schooled up in the offense and established chemistry with the entire healthy WRs from the get-go, had a full pre-season where Hue didn’t, Allen didn’t have to carry the load himself as HC/GM with the passing of THE raider icon himself, etc.
Allen has been served on a silver platter an entry point into coaching where he had every opportunity to succeed right away. Stability, roster talent, roster health, full roster control, a young GM, modern scouting computers etc, didn’t have that Al staff to contend with like Herrera etc all pulling in various ways, taking sides, etc.
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Clearly.
Make no mistake about it, anyone who disputes the fact that Hue Jackson is 10X the coach Dennis Allen is is someone who supported Hue’s firing at the time and is now just being stubborn.
Allen has had a far easier path so far.
Whatever you feel about Palmer, everyone who knows football knows he’s much better than Soup. Anyone who watched the Bears-49ers game a few weeks ago was reminded of that.
And then we have to hear from the Reggie/DA apologists and the media: what did you expect? If you thought this team was capable of making a playoff run you’re kidding yourself. Why was that expectation so crazy though? 8-8 last year and lost the division on a tiebreaker. Enter this season with almost the same roster and a big upgrade at QB. Why was say a 2-win improvement so unrealistic?
Mark and/or Reggie should just swallow their pride and bring back Hue. Why not? Unless they’re more interested in saving face than winning football games. Which I expect is exactly the case.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:37 am
Anyways night guys ,Carry on
December 7th, 2012 at 4:37 am
correction: top 1% income earning business owner, my mistake, go ahead that your shot LOL
December 7th, 2012 at 4:37 am
Good night McFadden.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:38 am
#310…
Lol, there have been far more rookie HCs in the NFL than just a handful that went to the super bowl.
The rate of rookie HCs ultimately becoming SB winning coaches, is more like 1%.
There have been how many HC’s win their first SB? There have been how many rookie HC’s since the NFL-AFL merger?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:39 am
Barnes had a tough night against Von Miller…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:43 am
Derek Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:36 am
Raider O I don’t drink and I’m smart enough to be a top 1% income owning business owner. I’m relaxing and blogging from Thailand, while you’re either up at 4 am getting ready to go work for a guy like me or just getting off after working for a guy like me. I can’t be too dumb.
Now back to basics. I do see we both agree DA must go. The guy is a loser.
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LOL
Ok Mr. I’m a top 1% income owning business owner.
I own my own business too (develop RE in Jordan), and that’s why I’m up so early today.
So you are not smart enough to understand sarcasm, but smart enough to be a top 1% income owning business owner? Got it.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:45 am
Hiring Knapp is reason enough to fire Allen. Couple that with his terrible lack of leadership, vision and/or flexibility, he should be fired without a doubt. Spot McKenzie and helmet head Mark Davis should simply admit their mistake. Hue Jackson has been humbled, however he would gladly return to his favorite team
December 7th, 2012 at 4:45 am
#314…
Yep, agreed.
And yeah, if we can’t get gruden, i hope mark can bring hue back with reggie’s blessing. them all patching relations up. do you want it fixed asap? gruden/hue to amend. otherwise we suffer thru the 10 and then thing, and end up like a Cardinals/Lions/Browns franchise that endured 30+ years of patheticness.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:45 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:33 am
Raider O you think you’re smart or something but history proves that if you judge coaches based on they do in their rookie years, you will likey be wrong 75% if you had to pick which coach would win the SB , you wouldn’t have picked Chuck Noll, Landrh, Belichick, Walsh,jimmy Johnson and other guys who all all combined to win more than half of Te leagues to Super Bowl trophies given out to the date , again DA will be here another year, ain’t worried about that, just wished things were different in here, I’m pretty sure you would probably have a little joke on the side to use for my next comment ,or something and just ignore all that but anyways carry on gnite
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First, let’s make clear that your 75% rate is pulled out of thin air.
All those guys you mentioned had far better credentials than DA’s ultra-thin resume as a one-year DC of the 20th-ranked defense that just gave up 45 points in a playoff loss.
So that bought those guys time.
Also, were any of those guys taking over teams that had gone .500 each of the two previous years and then turned them into a mostly non-competitive few win team their first season that regressed more than it improved over the course of that season?
I used a similar argument as what you’re using when I was preaching patience with JaMarcus during his second season (first season as a starter). I pointed out John Elway and a bunch of other great QBs who had rocky rookie years as evidence that JaMarcus could turn it around too. Obviously I was just kidding myself. And, sorry bro, I think you are too.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:48 am
Cable did improve, didn’t he?
DA will likely stay unless Chuck returns. That means Knapp and Tarver will probably be sacrificed. Lots of head coaches will be fired so theres a good chance Reg can get two proven coaches.
That’s what I am hoping for. Get two quality men under DA to help him. I actually like this better then bringing chuck back
December 7th, 2012 at 4:49 am
I really don’t see McKenzie Dumping Allen.. I’m not impressed so far with Allen…..my disgust is with Knapp and Tarver and Hoffman…..wouldn’t give me any grief if Allen was dumped but I just don’t see it happening ……frustration in the Nation
December 7th, 2012 at 4:50 am
I actually liked Cable…. Al sure as hell didn’t..
December 7th, 2012 at 4:52 am
Cable was 4-8 as an interim HC, 5-11 his 1st full season, and 8-8 (6-0 division) after AL hired Hue to run the offense.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:53 am
I would like to see Norv as our OC next year, especially if we’re stuck with DA again.
Norv is …
- tight with Palmer and has a great track record of getting the best out of QBs when he can concentrate on being an OC.
- A believer in the vertical passing attack which is a hallmark of the Raiders.
- Extremely familiar with the division.
- Typically among the best OCs in the league whenever he’s in that role.
- A good playcaller. I don’t think he’s a good decision maker as HC, at all. But he’s a good playcaller when he’s focused on that.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:54 am
Dereck
been there done that
wise men making dough do not brag about it on a footballblog.
facts seldom lie therefore
dereck = uber loser
December 7th, 2012 at 4:56 am
Chris….Norvs a good OC …. I wouldn’t mind seeing him back at OC… to would be a huge improvement over Knapp… IMO
December 7th, 2012 at 4:57 am
* it would be
December 7th, 2012 at 4:57 am
The problem for Mark is that even if he wants to keep Allen, how is he going to sell that to the fanbase? Season ticket and merchandise sales will absolutely tank and there’s going to be a lame duck coach vibe hanging over the team all through the offseason and into next season.
The only out in keeping Allen is if the team rattles off 3 or 4 wins in its first 5 games next year. If that doesn’t happen, it’s going to unravel and be yet another wasted season.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:02 am
I think we’re gonna see poor attendance next year……until the team starts winning ….I know we’re all frustrated with all this… Like the announcers said last night were paying the price now for the way Al drafted and ran the team….We’re still seeing the results at Qb for the Russell pick .. That really set us back
December 7th, 2012 at 5:04 am
I’ve already resigned myself to next year being a rebuilding year….I must be patient ( sigh )
December 7th, 2012 at 5:05 am
Kim Kardashian has money, so you don’t have to be very smart to make money.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:06 am
Cable took over a huge mess from Lame. He got the players to play hard for him and they ended the year better then they started.
Hue was the spark TC needed and they made a great team IMO. If Al had kept those two one more year everything would be completely different today.
I see zero proof that Hue is a great head coach.However he did a fantastic job as OC.The team played worse in the second half then the first.
Hue needed TC and TC needed Hue. If I had my choice today I would take TC over Hue or Chuck
December 7th, 2012 at 5:06 am
Allen is already a goner imo.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:07 am
Imo, he already suspects he’s gone.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:09 am
You can’t have your HC slapping his staff, beating women, and seeking prostitutes. Even if you are the Raiders. lol
December 7th, 2012 at 5:12 am
I need more cowbell.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:14 am
I didn’t buy into last years 8/8 team being a playoff team…. The reality is our division is the only reason we were even near the playoffs …our offense was a little less then average and the Defense has horrible…. They’re even worse this year
December 7th, 2012 at 5:14 am
Cowbell… I loved that SNL skit…
December 7th, 2012 at 5:15 am
I lost any respect I had for Mark and Chuck in how this has been handled.
I would be real surprised if Mark fires DA for anyone other then Chuck. It would prove he is gonna be a meddlesome owner like his dad but unlike his dad, mark does not know what he is doing.
Hire an experienced OC, DC and STC and plan on one of those taking over if DA falters. Keep things somewhat smooth and stop with the turnovers that crush the spirits of the players when it is done every year like we have doen for the past ten
Bunch of coaches, bunch of players but they never get it together. Some say its the coaches fault, some say its the players fault
I say its changing the dam coaches every year. It takes time to learn a new system and jell in it.
KEEP DA get his some experienced help
December 7th, 2012 at 5:15 am
Everybody’s needs more cowbell…..our defense could use some cowbell
December 7th, 2012 at 5:17 am
fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:02 am
Like the announcers said last night were paying the price now for the way Al drafted and ran the team….We’re still seeing the results at Qb for the Russell pick .. That really set us back
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Complete bullschitt!! JR has been gone for THREE years Sherlock! That “JR set us back” drivel is so tired! How about just keeping the most successful coach since Gruden instead of cleaning house last year? Think that might have helped??
December 7th, 2012 at 5:19 am
Post 339 all those things you mentioned is what makes tom cable awsome,lol if only DA would slap the sht out out of knapp or tarver… Hell who k.ows, they may jus come up with a plausable game plan. Lol
December 7th, 2012 at 5:20 am
Among the many sad things about the game that I haven’t heard mentioned was the postgame NFLN coverage. I had the TV on there for awhile in the background. Over the course of about an hour of analysis, the only reference to the Raiders on there was when Rich Eisen noted that Raiders fans were tweeting at him asking “what about the Raiders” since it was all Broncos talk to that point. And that was it. One of the guys on the panel said something to the effect of “What about the Raiders? They’re terrible.” Not exactly that but something along those lines.
And that was it. I don’t think they discussed Oakland again. I would say that 90% of the postgame coverage was about the Donks and the other 10% was about other AFC teams not named the Oakland Raiders.
Talk about irrelevance.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:21 am
Please. For once can we get some sanity regarding this nonsense about poor coaching:
Tom Landry 0-11-1 first season. 6 straight losing seasons.
Chuck Noll 1-13 first season. 3 straight losing seasons.
Bill Walsh 2-14 first season. 2 Straight losing seasons.
Jimmy Johnson 1-15 first season. 2 staright losing seasons.
If you think any of thses guys were in a situation worse than the Raiders think again.
I also love the media talking to the Donkeys about what they think is wrong with the Raiders. Think players are going to say “Barnes is a human traffic cone and Kelly is not worth 5 years at $70 million”.
The simple fact is this is a 3-5 year rebuilding project.
If you do not have the stomach for it, follow another team.
If last night does not convince you we do not have the talent to even compete, let alone win in this league you do not know the game very well.
I have watched the Raiders longer than most of you and there is no quick fix to this mess.
THE ONE THING I CAN ASSURE YOU OF, CONTINUING A COACHING CAROUSEL WILL ONLY MAKE MATTERS WORSE.
WE LACK NFL TALENT ESPECIALLY ON THE LINES.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:23 am
Russell set this team back years…. We’re still not settled at Qb because of the Russell pick
He was a # 1 pick bust…
December 7th, 2012 at 5:24 am
Why was Denarious running backwards?
C’MON MAN! lol
How far would he have gone if the play hadn’t been whistled dead?
He has a fever and he probably needs more cowbell. Ahhhh these damn guys (Raiders)will be the death of me and thats after the fact I have been off the cigarettes for more than a month now…my record.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:26 am
Charlie…. My gripe is with Knapp, Tarver and Hoffman …. Allen I think will be here at least another year……although as I’ve said ” so far I’m not impressed with Allen..
December 7th, 2012 at 5:28 am
That was funny… Moore got turned around… ,,, the other way pal… Lol
December 7th, 2012 at 5:28 am
O you are embellishing things
He never “beat” a women. An ex said that he was abusive and she said that years after the relationship.
A lot of players and coaches have “girlfiends” in every city. As long as the Raiders were not paying for it it is just about sex and not a big deal.
So he punched a mouthy assist who probably deserved it. As a matter of fact Randy was recently arrested for assault.
You do not need to embellish those things to make TC look bad. They are all non stories and that is why he is assit HC on a team that may be going to the playoffs
December 7th, 2012 at 5:28 am
Marcus Allen: A football life.
On Wednesday on NFLN around 8pm
December 7th, 2012 at 5:29 am
Plunketthead
See 348.
You can make some changes to assistants as long as you keep the same basic schemes.
I assure you, poor coaching is not the reason we are 3-10. Down the stretch last year we got pummeled under Hue. We have not run the ball against a good D in ten years.
The problem?
HORRIBLE DRAFTS FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS AND EVEN WORSE FREE AGENT ACQUISITIONS AND TRADES!
At a minimum we need three new starters at DT, DE and OT in this year’s draft to even compete. I am not talking about winning, just competing.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:31 am
McKenzie needs to get a young Qb prospect while we still have Palmer signed…. I think Pryor will get a start against the Chefs…. Hopefully… Then we can see where’s he’s at
December 7th, 2012 at 5:32 am
Like Mark Davis said, “it isn’t enough”. Whatever we do out there isn’t enough.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:36 am
If Pryor hasn’t even been active on the roster most of the season, how does he progress to a starters role without leapfrogging Leinart? Doesn’t make any sense.
Realistically, after a season and a half of a wasted career, Pryor is a bust and we need to cut ties with him after the season. He was never a legit QB prospect and I don’t understand the folks who wish him to be.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:36 am
Fingers
We are very bad on the line of scrimmage and have been for a decade. Until that is fixed proper evaluation of anything else is impossible.
Perhaps I have been going about explaining the importance of winning along the line of scrimmage the wrong way. Let me try this.
9 of your starting 22 (41%) plays exclusively in the box.
OLines create time and space. Dlines destroy time and space.
THAT IS WHAT THE GAME IS ABOUT. The rest of the pieces fill in the gaps.
A runner does not have the space and he looks like Dmac in Oakland; not Arkansas.
A QB without time looks like Brady against the Giants in a Super Bowl; not Brady against Oakland.
Do you really think we are going to be a consistently, strong, winning franchise building our lines with low round draft picks or free agents?
Taken to another extreme, do you think we will be able to beat our competition when they consistently use high picks to build this part of their team?
These are typically 270-320 pound athletes that need to have the agility and quickness of college level skill players. Do you really think you are likely to find premier or at least very good lineman in the fifth to seventh round or packing out at Wal Mart THAT ARE BETTER THAN WHAT OTHER NFL TEAMS HAVE?
(The mismatch with Barnes-a Jacksonville castoff is a classic case of making my point)
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I would strongly suggest that the laws of probability are against us. Better yet, we have a classic example of what that strategy gets us; The 2012 Oakland Raiders.
HINT: We need to build through the draft and expend enough high round draft picks on lineman to ensure superior line play. The way the Raiders used to do it.
We have 10 years of evidence to show that what we have been doing DOES NOT WORK!
December 7th, 2012 at 5:36 am
Barnes had a tough game against Miller….might want to add a tackle to the wish list…..
December 7th, 2012 at 5:38 am
Charlie You are correct . It has not been the coaches fault that the team sucks nonetheless DA will be more effective as a HC with great assist coaches.
Face it, Tarver is a rookie and Hoffman may not be any dam good. Knapp is sharp and he talks the talk. That’s why he keeps getting hired and makes a million dollars a year.
Everyone wants his head and that makes me inclined to keep him another year but I am not watching practices.
Reg is and he will make the decisions unless Mark starts meddling.
I am gonna back any decisions Reg makes on coaches
December 7th, 2012 at 5:38 am
Shouts out to Raider O fir b1TCH SLAPPING mc20 all across this blog tonite in their post debates, lol made my nite/morning… Goodnite blog bruhs… DA sucks!
December 7th, 2012 at 5:38 am
Plunk,
Just having fun with that one. I have no clue why you like the fat monkey so much.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:39 am
Last night’s game was typical Raiders football. Play hard for a half of football and then come out of the tunnel in the second half and play sporadically well in spots, but this bend dont break defense eventually always gets bent over. It’s not even dramatic to watch anymore. It’s inevitable now that the defense wilts in the 2nd half.
Coaches draw up a decent amount of plays in the first half to confuse or get to Manning, but then Manning processes all of it and dials in a solution later and our coaches have no countermeasures ready.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:39 am
Charlie….. MCFaddens health is the issue…. And I believe it was him who went to Mark and complained….. Can’t be a good back in the training room……and the Oline played very well last year….the Dline, won’t look the same next year..
December 7th, 2012 at 5:40 am
Good night JB.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:41 am
Charlie… I get the impression you believe I’m happy with the lines play…. Where did you get that?… Not from my posting
December 7th, 2012 at 5:41 am
And Peyton Manning is so frustrating to watch play. Even when we sack him. He goes down and doesn’t allow his body to get hit at all. Like a lil punk wuss.
I was screaming for a good blindside slobberknocker combo sack, but Peyton has eyes in the back of his broken neck.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:42 am
The worse thing is for Mark to start meddling and that seems to be what has happened with Gruden
December 7th, 2012 at 5:42 am
Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:40 am
Good night JB.
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lol
Good Morning!
December 7th, 2012 at 5:42 am
” Barnes had a tough night”….. That’s not praise …
December 7th, 2012 at 5:43 am
Seymour and Kelly will most likely be gone next year…..
December 7th, 2012 at 5:44 am
holding….number 69…..offense! ten yard penalty, still 2nd down…
these are the words that I heard in my dream.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:44 am
Palmer is trash! And we already know about knapp. Bring Gruden in…he will not use Palmer. He succeeded in transforming Gannon into a MVP, possible he can work that with Pryor. Grudens ability as a QB coach, and coach in general is Proven! This DA things got to go! I would say to bring him back and give him a chance but speculation is he has quit, and the team in general doesnt believe in him…plus his hires of Knapp & Tarver has not helped period!
December 7th, 2012 at 5:46 am
This team has quit on DA. They are playing for gamechecks now.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:48 am
I just feel strongly that he got this team back on track, no knuckleheads and all that. The team seemed to play well for him and they finished well.
If Hue was hired this year or the year TC was hired he would have failed bigtime. Hue’s success was because TC had straightened out a lot of the mess.
Theres no way to prove who is right other then to see who has the best career in the future and so far Tom is winning that one
December 7th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Fingers.
Do you recall the Packers game?
The Dolphins? The Chargers?
We could not run at all. We barely beat the Bears w/o Cutler.
OUR LINES HAVE NOT PLAYED WELL FOR A DECADE.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
Worse, Seymour can not even practice at $11.5 mill guaranteeed this year, Kelly at 5 years/$70 million is a joke and Barnes is a turnstile.
Last night is another example of getting beat at the point of attack and being one dimensional on O because we can not run against winning teams.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Good morning Guest. lol
December 7th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:48 am
I just feel strongly that he got this team back on track, no knuckleheads and all that. The team seemed to play well for him and they finished well.
If Hue was hired this year or the year TC was hired he would have failed bigtime. Hue’s success was because TC had straightened out a lot of the mess.
Theres no way to prove who is right other then to see who has the best career in the future and so far Tom is winning that one
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Right now, DA is bolstering Hue’s resume big time!
December 7th, 2012 at 5:54 am
Yeah all Jamarcus fault, weren’t we 2-14 year before Purple Drank. 10 straight games with no TD in 1 qt the O is worse than the D. Play Stewart and Reece and throw it deep .
December 7th, 2012 at 5:56 am
Plunk,
4-8 without Hue
5-11 without Hue
8-8 with Hue
8-8 without Cable
I think both coaches are below avg as HCs.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:56 am
348.Charlie Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:21 am
Please. For once can we get some sanity regarding this nonsense about poor coaching:
Tom Landry 0-11-1 first season. 6 straight losing seasons.
Chuck Noll 1-13 first season. 3 straight losing seasons.
Bill Walsh 2-14 first season. 2 Straight losing seasons.
Jimmy Johnson 1-15 first season. 2 staright losing seasons.
If you think any of thses guys were in a situation worse than the Raiders think again.
I also love the media talking to the Donkeys about what they think is wrong with the Raiders. Think players are going to say “Barnes is a human traffic cone and Kelly is not worth 5 years at $70 million”.
The simple fact is this is a 3-5 year rebuilding project.
If you do not have the stomach for it, follow another team.
If last night does not convince you we do not have the talent to even compete, let alone win in this league you do not know the game very well.
I have watched the Raiders longer than most of you and there is no quick fix to this mess.
THE ONE THING I CAN ASSURE YOU OF, CONTINUING A COACHING CAROUSEL WILL ONLY MAKE MATTERS WORSE.
WE LACK NFL TALENT ESPECIALLY ON THE LINES.
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At least SOMEBODY in here has a clue.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:58 am
I think last night Carson was exposed for the average at best qb that he is. He is not the total problem on offense but he is not the solution. He was repeatedly late on throws last night and it cost him. It’s mind boggling to me that at this late in the season there is still no rhythm or consistency in the passing game. The receivers are running one way and he’s throwing it another. Now I know he’ got no time to throw thanks to the porous o line, but he ha regressed into a turnover machine. Time to see what Pryor can do
December 7th, 2012 at 6:00 am
Charlie…. Maybe you should try reading my post…..” Seymour and Kelly will most likely be gone next year”…. Or… Barnes had a tough night….. Or McFaddens health is an issue”……
Charlie….. Maybe you should try ” reading”
December 7th, 2012 at 6:01 am
I think both coaches are below avg as HCs.
That’s more then fair. I would never mention Tom if semis were not begging to bring Hue back.
That’s just crazy talk
December 7th, 2012 at 6:02 am
This team has more holes than Swiss cheese
December 7th, 2012 at 6:03 am
Huff is horrible…. He couldn’t defend a one legged midget
December 7th, 2012 at 6:06 am
I wasn’t a big Hue fan…. But that said…. We could hold our breath and stomp our feet and have a big tantrum…. But Hue isn’t coming back…. He’s not being Unfired….
December 7th, 2012 at 6:07 am
I would rather Mark keep everything the same as it is then hire Gruden and it has nothing to do with who is the best coach for the job.
It would prove that Mark is a meddlesome owner and that will spell doom for the franchise
December 7th, 2012 at 6:08 am
Wheres all the tailgaters?
Did Norco bob punch vegas in the nose?
December 7th, 2012 at 6:09 am
No doubt the team is undertalented. But it’s still a team that a year ago managed to go 8-8 and had a few tough losses that could have propelled them to the playoffs as well.
Other than Wimbley and Routt, they really didn’t lose anybody from the core of last years team.
I’m not bringing this up to defend Hue, because that’s in the past and in the read view mirror.
But how did we go from a playoff contending team the last two years to the dregs of the NFL overnight?
Did we suddenly suck talentwise? I don’t think so. Granted we weren’t ever as good as we all thought. It’s the coaching that ruined this team. Comparisons to Tom Laundry, Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh & Jimmy Johnson are laughable.
On what planet and in what time dimension does Dennis Allen deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as those coaches? LOLOLOL
SMH
December 7th, 2012 at 6:11 am
I have watched the Raiders longer than most of you and there is no quick fix to this mess.
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Then props to you for watching over 42 years of Raider football. You win.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:11 am
Plunk,
I’m sure you can understand why some semis want him back. Our 2 best seasons since our SB run were with Hue. Hue’s offense was the reason we improved, and some wanted to see what he can do with a better DC. Can’t blame them.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:12 am
I’m not impressed with Allen…. But I expect him back….. I’d rather have a guy with more experience …. But it is what it is…..
December 7th, 2012 at 6:15 am
Playing the Oakland Raiders is when teams get to work on there shortcomings and boost the confidence of not so great players. Last night we let Knowshon Moreno get how many total yards? That guy is a joke.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:18 am
#361: Dennis Allen select all of his assistants. The guy has worked with a staff of his own selection.
On another note I never bragged about my wealth, I simply acknowledge being a top 1% income earner. I wouldn’t consider myself wealthy until I’m able to purchase a sport franchise or something of that nature.
I normally ignore ignorant bloggers, however I felt obligated to respond to you, to set the record straight. It’s obvious we reside in different worlds.
Good luck acccepting failure, success is coming your way along with santa claus.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:22 am
395…Weeden had a career day against us….. Charlie Brown and Lucy would have career days against our defense …..the Browns beat us at home …
December 7th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Just reading some posts from last night on this post..
Some people defending Palmer claiming he’s the best player on the team and that we shouldn’t play Pryor…
REALLY??
#1, you think Palmer is the best player on the team? Maybe he is.. If so, we are REALLY in trouble..
#2, those who want to see what Pryor can do arent proclaiming him to be better than your golden boy Palmer… We just want to see what he can do.. We KNOW what Palmer can do… and that is one step forward, 2 steps back (sounds like Paula A.)… For every 3 good throws he makes, he makes 1 bad read or a pick..
Nobody knows if Pryor > Palmer, we just want to see what he can do… DA was wrong to not put him in once Dungver scored 26… Not sure what DA/Knapp’s beef is with the kid… WTF??
December 7th, 2012 at 6:28 am
I defend Palmer…. But I’ve posted over and over… While we have him signed we should see what Pryor has… Or draft a young Qb to groom…. Can’t just Cut him … Somebody has to play the position…
December 7th, 2012 at 6:29 am
edward teach Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:56 am
348.Charlie Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:21 am
Please. For once can we get some sanity regarding this nonsense about poor coaching:
Tom Landry 0-11-1 first season. 6 straight losing seasons.
Chuck Noll 1-13 first season. 3 straight losing seasons.
Bill Walsh 2-14 first season. 2 Straight losing seasons.
Jimmy Johnson 1-15 first season. 2 staright losing seasons.
If you think any of thses guys were in a situation worse than the Raiders think again.
I also love the media talking to the Donkeys about what they think is wrong with the Raiders. Think players are going to say “Barnes is a human traffic cone and Kelly is not worth 5 years at $70 million”.
The simple fact is this is a 3-5 year rebuilding project.
If you do not have the stomach for it, follow another team.
If last night does not convince you we do not have the talent to even compete, let alone win in this league you do not know the game very well.
I have watched the Raiders longer than most of you and there is no quick fix to this mess.
THE ONE THING I CAN ASSURE YOU OF, CONTINUING A COACHING CAROUSEL WILL ONLY MAKE MATTERS WORSE.
WE LACK NFL TALENT ESPECIALLY ON THE LINES.
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At least SOMEBODY in here has a clue.
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Aside from the fact that all of those coaches had credentials far, far superior to DA and his one season as DC for the 20th-ranked Broncos, what were those teams’ records the year prior to them taking over? Any of them 8-8?
Also, what about Joe Bugel, Dave Campo, Romeo Crennel, David Shula, Rod Marinelli, Mike Riley, Marty Mornhinweg, Ray Handley and on and on and on.
For every Jimmy Johnson who flopped early and turned it around thereafter, there are probably 100 coaches who failed early and never made their teams better when given additional years.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:30 am
Nobody knows if Pryor > Palmer, we just want to see what he can do… DA was wrong to not put him in once Dungver scored 26… Not sure what DA/Knapp’s beef is with the kid… WTF??
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Now this is one area where I fully defend DA. He sees what we don’t see in practice. Why didn’t Taiwan Jones get a shot at being the lead dog when McFadden went down? Why was DMo17 benched halfway thru last game? He makes judgment calls based on close evaluation. He’s not going to throw out somebody on the field who’s destined to fail, only to appease the morbid curiosity of the fanbase.
Pryor hasn’t earned the trust to take the next step, and I’m guessing that as the season winds down, he never will.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:30 am
post 400. Excellent rebuttal. spot on.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:31 am
I never thought Palmer was gonna be the ” answer” but while he’s signed the Team ” Reggie” needs to either groom Pryor or Draft a Qb and develope him…
December 7th, 2012 at 6:33 am
Guest… Exactly…. We don’t know what Pryor has yet….. I’m hoping they play him next week…I wanna see where he is as a Qb
December 7th, 2012 at 6:34 am
He’s not going to throw out somebody on the field who’s destined to fail
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Neither YOU or DA knows this.. I dont care what DA sees in practice… Game speed is not equal to practice anyway… There is only one way to truly know… Get the boy on the field!!
December 7th, 2012 at 6:40 am
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:42 am
Lol…. Reggie isn’t getting fired…. You know it… We all know it…. Wheather you like him or not… Wheather I like him or not , Mark Davis isn’t firing him after 1 season….not gonna happen
December 7th, 2012 at 6:43 am
Dear Reggie & DA Apologists,
- 1960 Cowboys were an expansion team under Landry.
- 1968 Steelers were 2-11 the season before Knoll took over.
- 1988 Cowboys were 3-13 the year before Jimmy Johnson took over.
- 1978 49ers were 2-14 the year before Bill Walsh took over.
Please come back when you find an example of a head coach who took over a team that was 8-8 the prior year, 16-16 or better over the two prior years, came in and coached the team to a 3 or 4 win season as a rookie and then went on to become a legendary football coach.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:46 am
Reggie restructured Palmers contract to pay him 15-16 mil next year. I believe it is 100% guaranteed. Pryor not playing could be a reggie issue. If Pryor takes the field and does well, it will create a major issue for Reggie with respect to palmers contract. Its funny how many first year QBs are playing in the nfl right now , but yet Pryor cant even get a package. Take it one step further, how many of Reggie’s undrafted FA or practice squad players have made it on the field, yet Pryor cant even get a package? HMMM
December 7th, 2012 at 6:47 am
This is the NFL, you don’t win games by accident, if you don’t show up ready to play on sunday you will lose to a “lesser” team, there are no gimmes in this level.
So, stop trying to make the 2010 and 2011 seasons that brought 8 wins apiece and got us in the playoff hunt as some sort of mirage becaue it wasn’t, those teams were much better prepared and coached than this joke we have going on right now.
Stop making excuses, it’s fine to support Reggie and DA, I know I do, specially Reggie, but to judge their 1st year at the helm as anything other than a badly managed, unmitigated disaster is just stupid.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:47 am
I don’t see a whole lot of improvement next year either…. Gonna be a ton of new faces and with the limited amount of draft picks its gonna be at least 2 yrs to even begin to compete
December 7th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Forget about legendary. Just show me a coach that survived not getting fired for taking a 8-8 and 16-16 team or roughly equivalent to picking in the top 5 in his first year of coaching. Is there anyone that comes to mind?
December 7th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Stop making excuses, it’s fine to support Reggie and DA, I know I do, specially Reggie, but to judge their 1st year at the helm as anything other than a badly managed, unmitigated disaster is just stupid.
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the voice of reason shows up. Listen people!
December 7th, 2012 at 6:50 am
reggie will probably fire saunders instead of knapp..lol
December 7th, 2012 at 6:51 am
We’re paying for more than a decade of terrible draft picks….. The bill has come due….
December 7th, 2012 at 6:51 am
As much as I want to get a look at what Pryor can do in a regular season game, I feel the Raiders made the right choice in not playing him last night.
Would you want you 1st NFL playing time to come against one of the best defenses in the league?
Von Miller would have killed the kid. (BTW what was up with not giving Barnes the help he desperatley needed)
Playing TP last night would have been imo a confidence crusher.
Let him play some against the next 3 teams we play.
Just sayin
December 7th, 2012 at 6:51 am
2012 the year of the excuse, 2013 no excuses
December 7th, 2012 at 6:52 am
Bob Marley Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:47 am
This is the NFL, you don’t win games by accident, if you don’t show up ready to play on sunday you will lose to a “lesser” team, there are no gimmes in this level.
So, stop trying to make the 2010 and 2011 seasons that brought 8 wins apiece and got us in the playoff hunt as some sort of mirage becaue it wasn’t, those teams were much better prepared and coached than this joke we have going on right now.
Stop making excuses, it’s fine to support Reggie and DA, I know I do, specially Reggie, but to judge their 1st year at the helm as anything other than a badly managed, unmitigated disaster is just stupid.
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Bob nails it. As usual.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:54 am
Unmitigated disaster.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:54 am
Raidersholic….. Yep… Barnes had no chance against Miller….
December 7th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Chris
Our 8-8 the past two years were very misleading.
Down the stretch last year we got pounded by the Packers, Dolhins and Chargers.
We blew a big lead to the Lions because we could not run the ball when it counted.
Sane thing under Cable.
You may have been one of the guys that thought Bresnahan was an idiot. Is Tarver as well?
Maybe it is Norv’s fault. Or Rex Ryan still has us screwedup. No it is Kiffin’s fault. No Art was in the stadium last night; he might be at fault.
SEE THE PATTERN???
HINT: OUR PLAYERS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
If we draft well we might be competitive in 2014.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:57 am
POST-416,WHY NOT ?DO U ANT TO SEE WHAT PRYOR CAN DO VS GOOD TEAMS OR JUST THE BAD ONES..
December 7th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Barnes vs. Miller exposes one of our biggest needs (not that we didnt already know that)
I wasnt watching it, but was Veldheer handling Dumerville, or wasnt he playing… If he played, he was quieted..
December 7th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Charlie…. Read post 415…
December 7th, 2012 at 6:58 am
The raiders havent scored in the last 10 games in the first quarter. CP3 QB rating is in the low 60’s in the first quarter..And Pryor doesnt get a package ?
December 7th, 2012 at 6:58 am
410,
Good points Bob.
It’s a never ending debate. It’s so ironic that the “realists’ are the ones who use terms like “mirage” to describe last two seasons.
I love a quote i saw where someone said ‘Get REAL..8-8 wasn’t REALLY 8-8′. Just look at that sentence…it makes no sense, so i decide to be a smart alek and say ‘Good news guys, just checked ESPN .com and yahoo sports and guess what…turns out 8-8 really WAS 8-8 after all’ and that just irritates the “realists” who say it didn’t happen.
The “mirage” season included:
-Games were close and could’ve gone either way..doesn’t count.
-We really didn’t beat Houston on the road. It was the “Al Game”..doesn’t count.
-The win at SD was Palmer playing out of his mind since he was playing in his back yard from his home in LaJolla…doesn’t count.
-We lost 4 of 5 to end the season..THAT was the REAL Raiders showing thier colors.
That last point is the only one i attach some validity to.
It’s OK to acknowledge we were 8-8 and yes you are what your record says you are. 4 of the games we lost SHOULD have been wins we can just as easily say last yr.
You don’t have to discount last yr. to make a point that we should be patient with new regime.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:58 am
nycraider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:51 am
2012 the year of the excuse, 2013 no excuses
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2012 is the year of terrible decision making by the new regime. From firing Hue to hiring a head coach with a resume thinner than the paper it’s printed on to passing over Saunders to hire Knapp to run a scheme that doesn’t fit our players to hiring another rookie as DC. To sum that up: Rookie owner, Rookie GM, Rookie head coach, Rookie DC, Retread OC who was stripped of playcalling duties in his last stint here a few seasons ago.
The level of incompetence this year has been mystifying.
If you want to give this bunch another year, be my guest. Just don’t kid yourself into thinking there’s anything more than a snowball’s chance in hell that things will get better.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Raider in Pa….. True….a Tackle is a major need..
December 7th, 2012 at 6:59 am
If DA had any sought of clue, he would already be planning to use Pryor over these last games, because we are going to be no better than 3-13 anyhow…by not going to Pryor yet, it already proves that DA has no clue! Allen will not be coaching the Raiders next year you dont take over a team thats 8-8 and make it look like this…ALL OF YOU DA,KNAPP & TARVER APOLOGIZERS SHOULD NOT EVEN WATCH ANY MORE FOOTBALL BECAUSE YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE SPORT!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 7:01 am
We’re still short Draft picks…. So
Next years likely to be tough as well …. Reggie needs to trade Down for more picks … Which I believe he will … Hope he will ..
December 7th, 2012 at 7:01 am
GREAT POST #427!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 7:01 am
Chris In NY Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:58 am
nycraider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:51 am
2012 the year of the excuse, 2013 no excuses
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2012 is the year of terrible decision making by the new regime. From firing Hue to hiring a head coach with a resume thinner than the paper it’s printed on to passing over Saunders to hire Knapp to run a scheme that doesn’t fit our players to hiring another rookie as DC. To sum that up: Rookie owner, Rookie GM, Rookie head coach, Rookie DC, Retread OC who was stripped of playcalling duties in his last stint here a few seasons ago.
The level of incompetence this year has been mystifying.
If you want to give this bunch another year, be my guest. Just don’t kid yourself into thinking there’s anything more than a snowball’s chance in hell that things will get better.
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i have no confidence in Reggie, but I also dont make the decisions.Reggie has made so many bad moves in the way he handled the contracts of Seymour, Branch, palmer , and Breisel just to name a few. But reggie lovers have their excuses lined up for 2012. I dont think reggie will be fired , but my point is next year the reggie lovers will have no excuses
December 7th, 2012 at 7:04 am
Charlie Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Chris
Our 8-8 the past two years were very misleading.
Down the stretch last year we got pounded by the Packers, Dolhins and Chargers.
We blew a big lead to the Lions because we could not run the ball when it counted.
Sane thing under Cable.
You may have been one of the guys that thought Bresnahan was an idiot. Is Tarver as well?
Maybe it is Norv’s fault. Or Rex Ryan still has us screwedup. No it is Kiffin’s fault. No Art was in the stadium last night; he might be at fault.
SEE THE PATTERN???
HINT: OUR PLAYERS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
If we draft well we might be competitive in 2014.
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Truth be told, pretty much all of those coaches from Kiffin to Breshnahan to Norv to Art Shell and presumably Tarver are all terrible. They’ve all failed at the same role in other stops or been considered undeserving of another shot.
Not saying the talent is elite by any stretch, but it shouldn’t have been a 3-13 type team. If the coaches fit the schemes to players strengths from the beginning, rather than trying to shoehorn the players into their schemes and if Reggie kept Satele instead of Brisiel and gave us some kind of an edge rusher we’d be in much better shape. That’s all on Reggie.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Have a good friday folks, see you around.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:06 am
I don’t dislike Reggie. I just think he has been an UNMITIGATED DISASTER as a GM. In my opinion year 2 will be WORSE based on his pattern of poor decisions and his inability to attract and sign quality coaches and players.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:06 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:57 am
POST-416,WHY NOT ?DO U ANT TO SEE WHAT PRYOR CAN DO VS GOOD TEAMS OR JUST THE BAD ONES..
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Hmmmmm
Well let’s see…
Overall I want to see what Pryor can do against all different competition in the NFL But…
To start his career I would rather him not get “david Carr’d” If you get my drift.
If there is any hope for TP having a future as a legit QB it has to be done right.
Throwing TP to the wolves for his 1st playing time IS NOT THE ANSWER. ( You seem to like all caps)
Just my opinion fellow Raider bretheren
December 7th, 2012 at 7:07 am
Im hoping Reggie will find even more success in the draft than the limited draft back in April ‘12…
Give us more like Burris, Criner and Streater (though he was undrafted)
Lamar Houston continues to be a shiny diamond in a pile of dogsh!t… He’s no joke…
December 7th, 2012 at 7:07 am
Just 3 more games left. It’s not DA’s job to showcase Pryor for future employment. This isn’t the jobs corp. It’s not about one player. There are 52 other guys who are also worrying about their paycheck next year. He can’t risk their wellbeing on a project QB that is getting his feet wet thrown to the wolves. That beatdown costs so many others in the pocketbook. This is game played for money. If DA throws an incompetent QB out there and they stink it up worse than they do now, he will lose the lockerroom for sure. None of the those players gives a rats asre about #6 future in the league. They are worried about finishing strong, putting together nice tape showing themselves to be individually competitive so that they can get a nice free agent offer elsewhere.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:06 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:57 am
POST-416,WHY NOT ?DO U ANT TO SEE WHAT PRYOR CAN DO VS GOOD TEAMS OR JUST THE BAD ONES..
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Hmmmmm
Well let’s see…
Overall I want to see what Pryor can do against all different competition in the NFL But…
To start his career I would rather him not get “david Carr’d” If you get my drift.
If there is any hope for TP having a future as a legit QB it has to be done right.
Throwing TP to the wolves for his 1st playing time IS NOT THE ANSWER. ( You seem to like all caps)
Just my opinion fellow Raider bretheren
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Excellent post. I agree 100%.
I also think we should give him game reps/ snaps before he starts.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Criner? really..wow must be watching those preseason games where he excelled against other late round draft picks
December 7th, 2012 at 7:10 am
I think we can count on Veldheer at LT and Wiz at either C or LG. The other three spots on the line need upgrading. Unless we trade down I probably wouldn’t address this at the top of the draft. RT and G/C are generally not top-5 positions and I’m not aware of any such guys who deserve to go there this year.
If there’s a tackle that looks great and your not sold on any of the defensive players at the top, then maybe.
But I think we need to be focused on a front-7 difference maker, specifically an edge pass rusher if there’s on there who’s worthy when it’s our turn to pick.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:11 am
The only thing I’m sure of is when a lot of us look at the samethings , we see diffrent things….
December 7th, 2012 at 7:11 am
I’m not curious about seeing TP on the field. The preseason was all I needed to see. He throws high arcing rainbows and is wildly inaccurate when he rolls out. Always gives up on the play downfield and tucks and runs too quickly. I don’t see anything about his game that translates as an NFL QB. Too bad he won’t consider a position change. Other than that option, I don’t see him being a camp body next TC.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:13 am
Its bad being a Raider but things could be wors4e. I could be lakerfan too.
The Knicks are blowing everyone up since they got rid of whatshisname. I think he coaches the lakers now.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:14 am
nycraider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Criner? really..wow must be watching those preseason games where he excelled against other late round draft picks
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Yeah. Criner is pretty much a dud. It’s clear why he was around in the 5th round. No separation. I think it’s 50-50 he even makes the final cutdown next year.
Streater was definitely a find though and I like Burris’ long-term prospects as well. Very much.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:14 am
nycraider: I’d take Criner over DHB in a heartbeat…
December 7th, 2012 at 7:15 am
I see a team that was in contention for every snap of the previous season reduced to a team that was DOA.
Thanks Reggie.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:13 am
Its bad being a Raider but things could be wors4e. I could be lakerfan too.
The Knicks are blowing everyone up since they got rid of whatshisname. I think he coaches the lakers now.
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antoni is the worse, bad late game manger, no emphasis on D. the more i watched dantoni coach the more respect I had for Nash and what he did in phoenix. The Knicks finally play D again, thx god for them bc the raiders are killing me
December 7th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Raider-In-PA Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:14 am
nycraider: I’d take Criner over DHB in a heartbeat…
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ok, but thats not saying much
December 7th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Barnes was an embarrassment last night but i agree; why couldn’t the coaching staff adjust and give him some help? they just let him get dominated by miller and it was sad to watch
December 7th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Fakes could have signed Phil.
Still LOL @ the Fakers!
December 7th, 2012 at 7:18 am
If you go the other blogs with losing teams you’ll see about the samethings posted here… The difference with us is it’s been more than a decade of this so we have more than a decade of frustration built up….so I understand all of the frustration here even if I don’t agree with some of you…… That’s the common bond … We’re tired of this..
December 7th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Streater needs to develop still raw. But I agree he’s a find as a UDFA. Criner seems to be well covered on all his routes. No wonder he doesn’t get looked at much. He’ll have to fight for a job next year if he can’t separate or learn the tricks of the trade in route running.
DHB is a warrior. Limited in what type of routes he can run but a guy that can be counted on, not like all the others who always seem dinged up for some reason.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:20 am
Morning all,
Can one of you semis help me out?
What happened on Carson’s fumble?
Looked to me that his arm was going forward when the ball came out?
And aren’t all turnovers reviewed?
Did my eyes deceive me? Was becoming blinded by beers an trees at that point! Lol
Can someone please explain?
December 7th, 2012 at 7:20 am
Also it’s kind of a helpless feeling because we don’t make the calls…. We just live with the frustration …
December 7th, 2012 at 7:20 am
I’d take DHB over Criner.
DHB has a better receptions to targets ratio and averages about 5 more YPC than Criner. Give me the guy with 4.3 speed and upside over the guy with 4.7 speed that will basically never be better than a No. 4 WR.
That said, DHB is going to have to “restructure” is he’s coming back next year. No way can we pay him the $7.5 mil or whatever he’s due to make. Bring that figure down to about $2.5 mil and I’d bring him back to compete with Moore and Streater for a starting spot. If the coaching staff actually knew how to use the guy it would help. Immensely.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Arkraider….it’s a hard call… I think one of the announcers saw what you did and mentioned it as well
December 7th, 2012 at 7:21 am
there was an interesting graphic posted during last nights game. It showed all the first round picks of the Al Davis (last 7 or 8 picks). Pretty remarkable, the names that appeared on that list and how those players have worked out. Gallery, Russell, Mclain, Huff, McFadden, DHB, etc. Now look at the players added during the first year of the new regime. Burris (although making mistakes, but still a rookie) > McLain. Phillip Adams> Huff. Huff was horrible last night. Mike Mayock, who may come off as a douche, but does have a great eye for talent, spoke highly of Christo. What about Streater and Criner. We need to be patient. where did the “old” system get us in the past 10 years. Nowhere. The new GM and coaches have an updated and tough philosophy to grasp. Reggie and DA will bring in their players to perform in their system. It will take time. there are flashes from both sides of the ball that show that the system will work. We suck on offense cause we have no running game. Mcfadden is not smart enough to grasp the zone system. He constantly makes the wrong cut in a one cut system. Look at how Reece and Stewart run the ball. Positive yards correct?
December 7th, 2012 at 7:22 am
guest123 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:07 am
Just 3 more games left. It’s not DA’s job to showcase Pryor for future employment. This isn’t the jobs corp. It’s not about one player. There are 52 other guys who are also worrying about their paycheck next year. He can’t risk their wellbeing on a project QB that is getting his feet wet thrown to the wolves. That beatdown costs so many others in the pocketbook. This is game played for money. If DA throws an incompetent QB out there and they stink it up worse than they do now, he will lose the lockerroom for sure. None of the those players gives a rats asre about #6 future in the league. They are worried about finishing strong, putting together nice tape showing themselves to be individually competitive so that they can get a nice free agent offer elsewhere.
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We dont know what Pryor can do…but its neither productive to watch this mess that we are subjected to because we are Raiders fans. Watching Palmer just stand there and throw passes that dont hit there mark, and all these picks is ludicrous! If Allen had any clue he would try Pryor…what has he proven? The Broncos were a 20th ranked def when he coached them…and if a new coach comes in, (ex;Gruden) he will not be using Palmer (Guaranteed), Palmer is not the QB in which we will move forward with any success!
December 7th, 2012 at 7:25 am
But Fingers if it was close shouldn’t have been reviewed upstairs? Seemed like no delay in game at all?
Did it look like his arm was going forward to you?
December 7th, 2012 at 7:25 am
We are where we are and how do we get out of it?
I do think we give Reggie too much slack. I also believe we have to give him another yr. at least to turn it around.
It’s debatable whether this team is devoid of talent. I think the big issue is not only talent but NOT maximizing the talent we DO have and having them in the best positions and schemes to maximize it. THAT is what I have issue with.
The zbs switcharoo was a horrible mistake. Especially in lieu of the cut block most likely being eliminated for next yr. which would effectively make the zbs an unworkable system. Should Reggie have anticipated this as possibly going down? Let’s give him a pass on that and assume he did not.
I know guys cite examples of how the best way is to come in with your own “system” and make the players adjust accordingly. That’s true if you take a long term perspective but it could have been slowly fazed in as you acquire the talent more conducive to such a scheme.
Everyone cites “patience”. Where was the ‘patience’ with that? It’s Reggie and DA that should have been “patient” with the offensive scheme change. It took what could have been a better season and turned it into a throwaway year.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:26 am
DHB vs Criner? if either were cut today im not sure they would be picked. DHB has been a starter for 4 years and has yet to have more than 4 tds in a season. He was our number 1 and 65+ WRs had more TDs than him last year.
Criner has had 2-3 nice catches the entire season, projecting him as good is such a stretch . did you see him miss that ball last night on the slant.
The problem is , when a guy makes a good catch or two he gets annointed as king in here.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Ark… Yes… I saw a couple times he tried to throw it but the pocket just collapsed on him…… The announcer said the samething ” shouldn’t it have been at least reviewed”… Don’t know which on said it…. But bottomline , they didn’t review it…
December 7th, 2012 at 7:29 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:25 am
We are where we are and how do we get out of it?
I do think we give Reggie too much slack. I also believe we have to give him another yr. at least to turn it around.
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2012 the year of the excuse, 2013 there are no excuses
December 7th, 2012 at 7:30 am
* which one …
December 7th, 2012 at 7:30 am
guest123 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:07 am
Just 3 more games left. It’s not DA’s job to showcase Pryor for future employment. This isn’t the jobs corp. It’s not about one player. There are 52 other guys who are also worrying about their paycheck next year. He can’t risk their wellbeing on a project QB that is getting his feet wet thrown to the wolves. That beatdown costs so many others in the pocketbook. This is game played for money. If DA throws an incompetent QB out there and they stink it up worse than they do now, he will lose the lockerroom for sure. None of the those players gives a rats asre about #6 future in the league. They are worried about finishing strong, putting together nice tape showing themselves to be individually competitive so that they can get a nice free agent offer elsewhere.
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Mornin Guest,
I agree with like 90% of the stuff you post. But this one, maybe not as much. I feel like we have tape on practically the entire roster “That’s not injured” of course. I’m not one of these guys barking to see Pryor because I think he’s gonna take over and save the franchise, or because Palmer is playing poorly. I think at this juncture, every roster spot for next year is going to be incredibly vital, considering the kind of house cleaning I’m expecting. I think Quarterback is the single most important postition on the team. Right now, TP is a Shiny brass cannon just sitting there. Looking at it, you’d think “Man this thing will do some damange.” But realize once you take it to the range, it’s not as accurate as you hoped. You need to know for sure though. He needs to be battle tested.
You mentioned you thought Mark should have shown a little more diligence in searching for a GM…. Well, this is their opportuity to show Due Diligence in their future QB situation. He’s either going to be cut, or retained. But based on what? They need to know, one way or another.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:31 am
Arkraider…. Barnes just couldn’t hold off Miller…… Miller was to strong and fast…. That’s a lethal combination
December 7th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Bartell no ints since 2008, the streak continues
December 7th, 2012 at 7:37 am
I’m in the camp of” we have Palmer signed till 2016…. They should use this as an opportunity to find a replacement …. Can’t just cut Palmer and hope Pryors the answer….somebody has to at Qb……I can fault Palmers Ints… But I also gotta take into account the throws he puts right on the money and the recievers drop them…. Or that the Olines collapsing on him ….lots of things are going on… A tackle misses a play and it effects the Qb…
December 7th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:37 am
I’m in the camp of” we have Palmer signed till 2016…. They should use this as an opportunity to find a replacement …. Can’t just cut Palmer and hope Pryors the answer….somebody has to at Qb……I can fault Palmers Ints… But I also gotta take into account the throws he puts right on the money and the recievers drop them…. Or that the Olines collapsing on him ….lots of things are going on… A tackle misses a play and it effects the Qb…
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we cant cut palmer anyway, reggie restructured his contract and he gets 15-16 mil next year which i believe is 100% guaranteed
December 7th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Bartell has lost his confidence and likely will be unemployed in 2013′
December 7th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Ny… Correct…couldn’t cut him without a huge cap hit….
December 7th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Phillip Adams and Nnamdi our 2013 starters
December 7th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Bartell has lost his confidence and likely will be unemployed in 2013′
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he should have never been signed..original contract was 3 mil
December 7th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Palmers signed to till 2016… I believe ..
December 7th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Don’t know who’s worse …Huff or Bartell … Huff was just horrendous last night
December 7th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Ny… Correct…couldn’t cut him without a huge cap hit….
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yep, think about the bind reggie would be in after restructuring palmers contract to have pryor come in and play well . I think this is why Pryor has been buried. I mean look at how many undrafted FA and GB practice squad players get playing time. yet pryor cant even get a package?
December 7th, 2012 at 7:44 am
nycraider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Bartell has lost his confidence and likely will be unemployed in 2013′
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he should have never been signed..original contract was 3 mil
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I don’t fault management for giving hime a look (smart 1 year contract). We had limited $$ and this was the best they could do after cutting Stan. I could see there perspective of hoping he regained his old form of being a respectable DB. Unfortunetley he is just another weak link on a team that is full of weak links.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:44 am
I got a whole closet full of jerseys from Al’s draft pick busts….
December 7th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Don’t know who’s worse …Huff or Bartell … Huff was just horrendous last night
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Huff has had his moments this year, bartell is just a joke
December 7th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Not defending our DB’s -They are the WORST in the league but… Peyton can carve up Revis and other legit defensive backs.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:46 am
we cant cut palmer anyway, reggie restructured his contract and he gets 15-16 mil next year which i believe is 100% guaranteed
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It is only 100% guaranteed if he is on the roster for the first game of the season. If they cut him in March it isn’t guaranteed. Palmer wants to be part of turning this thing around. He has taken 2 pay cuts in the 13 months he has been a Raider, and he will take another prior to next season.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:44 am
nycraider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Bartell has lost his confidence and likely will be unemployed in 2013′
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he should have never been signed..original contract was 3 mil
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I don’t fault management for giving hime a look (smart 1 year contract). We had limited $$ and this was the best they could do after cutting Stan. I could see there perspective of hoping he regained his old form of being a respectable DB. Unfortunetley he is just another weak link on a team that is full of weak links.
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injury prone, no ints since 2008, they got exactly what he is..weak link..but your right hes not our only problem ,in fact hes the least of our worries
December 7th, 2012 at 7:46 am
I won’t be buying anymore ” Draft ” pick jerseys….
Just old school Raiders..can’t lose that way…
December 7th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Things will never get better if we do not stop the management, coaching carousel.
Perhaps, because I am older I do not expect a one year turnaround given what we had to start with:
Scouting dpeartment that need to be completely overhauled and computerized. COMPUTERIZED????
Horrible Cap situation that prevented us from keeping Bush. Allowing Seymour to collect $11.5 guaranteed without being able to practice, Kelly at 5 years/$70 million etc. etc. etc.
No first or second round picks in last years draft.
I think too many people in this day and age expect immediate gratification which is why blaming coaches is so popular. You delude your self into thinking a quick fix is behind the next door.
I am the voice of reality. It will take two more good drafts to be competitive. The lines need to be rebuilt with a DT DE OT and OG. That will not be completed before 2014.We need help in a few other spots but without fixing the lines we will never be competitive.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:48 am
theghostronin79 Says:
Mornin Guest,
I agree with like 90% of the stuff you post. But this one, maybe not as much. I feel like we have tape on practically the entire roster “That’s not injured” of course. I’m not one of these guys barking to see Pryor because I think he’s gonna take over and save the franchise, or because Palmer is playing poorly. I think at this juncture, every roster spot for next year is going to be incredibly vital, considering the kind of house cleaning I’m expecting. I think Quarterback is the single most important postition on the team. Right now, TP is a Shiny brass cannon just sitting there. Looking at it, you’d think “Man this thing will do some damange.” But realize once you take it to the range, it’s not as accurate as you hoped. You need to know for sure though. He needs to be battle tested.
You mentioned you thought Mark should have shown a little more diligence in searching for a GM…. Well, this is their opportuity to show Due Diligence in their future QB situation. He’s either going to be cut, or retained. But based on what? They need to know, one way or another.
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Good morning. I see your point on due diligence. Palmer isn’t lighting the world on fire anyway, and I’m open to change. Really there’s not much to lose now. I’m not as optimistic that Pryor is a potential diamond in the rough, but that’s based on what little I’ve seen. I guess we could try out Pryor if the coach is willing. We’ll see. I just am tired as I know you are of watching embarrassing football on national TV.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:48 am
fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:44 am
I got a whole closet full of jerseys from Al’s draft pick busts….
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everytime I buy a jersey the player gets cut/traded/retired etc;
Maybe if I buy every jersey on the Rsiders current roster,next year we will have a whole new team and be good.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:48 am
BCZ … I’m thinking Palmers back next year anyway…. Don’t see anyother option at this point
December 7th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:46 am
we cant cut palmer anyway, reggie restructured his contract and he gets 15-16 mil next year which i believe is 100% guaranteed
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It is only 100% guaranteed if he is on the roster for the first game of the season. If they cut him in March it isn’t guaranteed. Palmer wants to be part of turning this thing around. He has taken 2 pay cuts in the 13 months he has been a Raider, and he will take another prior to next season.
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are you sure? i rarely see a QB of Palmers experience not have a guaranteed contract. What your describing seems more like a roster bonus?
December 7th, 2012 at 7:49 am
fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:44 am
I got a whole closet full of jerseys from Al’s draft pick busts….
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I have only one jersey. Carson Palmer #3. And now I’m thinking I may have cursed him.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Adams played lights out last night. In a year where our absolute best DB play has been mediocre, he looked outstanding.
I also don’t get the Tarver abuse. He called a hell of a game. He confused Manning frequently, and his blitz packages got to Manning. NO ONE has sacked Peyton 3 times in a game all year. I mean it is no surprise that possibly the greatest QB of all time had his way with us last night. We had ONE healthy DB on the field.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Raideraholic…. My girlfriend already informed me she’s not buying me anymore Raider gear till they turn this around… And not to buy her anymore , cause she won’t wear them till they turn it around
December 7th, 2012 at 7:51 am
bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:46 am
we cant cut palmer anyway, reggie restructured his contract and he gets 15-16 mil next year which i believe is 100% guaranteed
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It is only 100% guaranteed if he is on the roster for the first game of the season. If they cut him in March it isn’t guaranteed. Palmer wants to be part of turning this thing around. He has taken 2 pay cuts in the 13 months he has been a Raider, and he will take another prior to next season.
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Seems like Palmer is a beaten man at this point, When he talks it’s like he expects to lose. (this coming from someone who has defended Palmer since he got here)
I wonder if he still wants to be a part of “righting the ship” Hope so.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:51 am
Guest… Lol… I hear ya…. The jersey curse…. Same here
December 7th, 2012 at 7:53 am
are you sure? i rarely see a QB of Palmers experience not have a guaranteed contract. What your describing seems more like a roster bonus?
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I am sure. If we cut him, we will take a 9 million hit on the accelleration of his signing bonus from the restructure, but that salary isn’t guaranteed yet.
Ya know, it is amusing that MANY in here ‘claim’ Al never had cap problems and always found a way to make it work, but when Reggie restructures someone he is an idiot for doing so. I don’t get it
December 7th, 2012 at 7:53 am
I’m just gonna take the names off the back of my ” bust” jerseys …. Like I did with Moss jersey ….
December 7th, 2012 at 7:54 am
I think I will just buy a Kaufman Jersey perhaps Eric Turner.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Allowing Seymour to collect $11.5 guaranteed without being able to practice, Kelly at 5 years/$70 million etc. etc. etc.
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Seymour counted 2.2 million against the cap this year. Not 11 mill.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:56 am
fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:53 am
I’m just gonna take the names off the back of my ” bust” jerseys …. Like I did with Moss jersey ….
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My Moss jersey turned into Louis Murphy.
Is there anyone with #18 on the current roster?
December 7th, 2012 at 7:56 am
DA has not ‘Valued” Field Position on KO’s all season…When Goodson returned the ball from deep in the End Zone and got it out to only the 8 yd line.
That put us deep in our own end and lead to the sack/strip on CP. We have had 1 return with any chance to go all the way in 12 games and he’s still letting these guys run out of the End Zone time after time.
It’s bothered me all season and last night it lead to the Big Change in momentum…pitiful gamesmanship.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:56 am
My only current players jersey is 99. Houston isn’t a superstar, but if the rest of our defenders played as hard as him we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:57 am
I also don’t get the Tarver abuse. He called a hell of a game. He confused Manning frequently, and his blitz packages got to Manning. NO ONE has sacked Peyton 3 times in a game all year. I mean it is no surprise that possibly the greatest QB of all time had his way with us last night. We had ONE healthy DB on the field.
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because Tarver usually shoots his load by halftime. Peyton went in at halftime, studied the film, diagnosed it, and came back with a cure for Tarver’s pressure. Misdirection, stretch runs, short outs, timing throws over to D Thomas who was getting mugged at the line. Peyton knew how to manipulate the refs into seeing what he was seeing. He’s a great QB. No doubt. But Tarver’s limitation is he can only call a half of a game. Like Mark Davis said before, “it’s not good enough!”
December 7th, 2012 at 7:57 am
“BCZ … I’m thinking Palmers back next year anyway…. Don’t see anyother option at this point”
He will take a cut in pay to stay here its not about the money for Palmer.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:57 am
bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Allowing Seymour to collect $11.5 guaranteed without being able to practice, Kelly at 5 years/$70 million etc. etc. etc.
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Seymour counted 2.2 million against the cap this year. Not 11 mill.
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perhaps I was misinformed but I thought Seymour was due 15 mill this year and if we cut him he was owed 7.5 mill? no?
December 7th, 2012 at 7:58 am
I really like Houston…. The guy plays from whistle to whistle
December 7th, 2012 at 7:58 am
raidermarty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Barnes was an embarrassment last night but i agree; why couldn’t the coaching staff adjust and give him some help? they just let him get dominated by miller and it was sad to watch
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I can tell you why the staff did not adjust. Von Miller is a player we are going to be seeing at least twice a year for the next nine or ten years. We have to figure out if Barnes is a guy who can go out there and handle him. You cannot max protect all the time. If Barnes cannot handle Miller one on one, we are going to need to find someone who can.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:57 am
bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Allowing Seymour to collect $11.5 guaranteed without being able to practice, Kelly at 5 years/$70 million etc. etc. etc.
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Seymour counted 2.2 million against the cap this year. Not 11 mill.
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perhaps I was misinformed but I thought Seymour was due 15 mill this year and if we cut him he was owed 7.5 mill? no?
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No. Seymour was reworked.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Our return game is so utterly pathetic, there isn’t even a hint that someone is going to break one down the sideline.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:00 am
I think the team played well last night compared to what we have been seeing.
The defense held on the goal line which was really cool to see for once this year.
Palmer had a better passer rating than Manning did and it was nice to see McFadden get back in action.
So freaking sad to say that a 13 point loss is something to build on but after getting blown out by 30 points by crappy teams we have to say this is progress albeit small amount of progress its still progress!
December 7th, 2012 at 8:00 am
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Good morning. I see your point on due diligence. Palmer isn’t lighting the world on fire anyway, and I’m open to change. Really there’s not much to lose now. I’m not as optimistic that Pryor is a potential diamond in the rough, but that’s based on what little I’ve seen. I guess we could try out Pryor if the coach is willing. We’ll see. I just am tired as I know you are of watching embarrassing football on national TV.
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Yeah, I’m absolutely tired of the embarassment. In fact I started to feel numb to it. Maybe that’s why I’m FOR putting Pryor in. That “What IF” feeling is one of the worst to live with. If Pryor had nothing to offer, that would be another thing entirely. Obviously Palmer is the best man (on our roster) for the job. IF Pryor goes in and the “Barnum and Bailey” music starts playing and it becomes an NFL Football Follies show, then I’d feel content to cut him. Preseason isn’t a good enough measuring stick. We need real game time with the 1’s against the 1’s. For the record, I really like Palmer…But this is a big decision.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Me.. I’m not a Palmer basher….. I think the guy gives 100 %…. Yep, he throws nits … But he has a lot more perfect throws dropped…… That’s said…. I’ll back whoever they play at QB
December 7th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:53 am
are you sure? i rarely see a QB of Palmers experience not have a guaranteed contract. What your describing seems more like a roster bonus?
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I am sure. If we cut him, we will take a 9 million hit on the accelleration of his signing bonus from the restructure, but that salary isn’t guaranteed yet.
Ya know, it is amusing that MANY in here ‘claim’ Al never had cap problems and always found a way to make it work, but when Reggie restructures someone he is an idiot for doing so. I don’t get it
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Al certainly had his issues, my concern with Reggie is he had a chance to cut seymour, save 7.5 mill and not have his contract hurt a rebuilding situation. Instead he gives him a new contract that when he is cut next year it hits our cap by 5.5 mil. When we cut briesel next year it hits our cap by 2.7 mil, throw in the surprising franchising of branch but then the even more surprising long term contract and Reggie made some real bad decisions that will hurt our efforts to rebuild.
I am most upset at Al for not having a gm in place , guess Al thought he would live forever. Rookie GM, Rookie coach, Rookie owner = recipe for disaster
December 7th, 2012 at 8:01 am
*ints
December 7th, 2012 at 8:01 am
507.Seymour Bush Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:57 am
bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Allowing Seymour to collect $11.5 guaranteed without being able to practice, Kelly at 5 years/$70 million etc. etc. etc.
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Seymour counted 2.2 million against the cap this year. Not 11 mill.
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perhaps I was misinformed but I thought Seymour was due 15 mill this year and if we cut him he was owed 7.5 mill? no?
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No. Seymour was reworked.
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what does this mean for next year, is he owed anything guaranteed?
December 7th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Barnes isn’t a guy we are going to keep or are interested in keeping for the next nine or ten years. So there’s no chance he was left on an island to evaluate him against Miller. We already know all we need to know about Barnes. He will not be a Raider next year.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:02 am
I said it 100 times this week. There is no one in the entire world that gets a paycheck from the Oakland Raiders that deserves to be defended. I don’t care who stays or who goes after the season. I don’t give a sh1t about being the laughing stock of the NFL. 90% of these idiots that talk don’t know d1ck about football.
It still amazes me the comments I read in here. As if there is a coach in the league that could win with this team…
Have a lot of Reggie’s signings turned out to be garbage? Absolutely… but when you go dumpster diving you have to assume that most of what you pull out is garbage.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:02 am
nevermind just read above post
December 7th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Bcz …. Good take…
December 7th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Huge evaluation mistake by Reggie to have the opportunity to eat the last $7.5M to Seymour and believe he was going to be a team leader and mentor to a young turned over roster in rebuild mode. He’s not that guy. He’s a paycheck casher. He retired in his mind long ago. Reggie miscalculated there big time.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Lol… Half the posts on this blog are Fk,n crazy
December 7th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:57 am
bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Allowing Seymour to collect $11.5 guaranteed without being able to practice, Kelly at 5 years/$70 million etc. etc. etc.
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Seymour counted 2.2 million against the cap this year. Not 11 mill.
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perhaps I was misinformed but I thought Seymour was due 15 mill this year and if we cut him he was owed 7.5 mill? no?
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Correct , if reggie cut seymour in Febuary last year he would have been owed 7.5 mil instead of 15 mil. Reggie kept him then gave him a new contract that hurts our cap space next year when hes cut
December 7th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Lol… Half the posts on this blog are Fk,n crazy
December 7th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Seems like Palmer is a beaten man at this point, When he talks it’s like he expects to lose. (this coming from someone who has defended Palmer since he got here)
I wonder if he still wants to be a part of “righting the ship” Hope so.
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I think he IS a beaten man. He’s one of the few who finally said it like it is. He’s obviously really disappointed how things have turned out, after all the hard work. He probably had expectations like the rest of us. I think in his heart, he still wants to turn the Raiders around but realizes this year is a done deal, and they failed big time. He’ll regroup in the offseason, and come back strong and determined. But right now, I think he’s feeling a little hopeless……Can’t blame him.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:07 am
“Me.. I’m not a Palmer basher….. I think the guy gives 100 %…. Yep, he throws nits … But he has a lot more perfect throws dropped…… That’s said…. I’ll back whoever they play at QB”
Good post
December 7th, 2012 at 8:08 am
nycraider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:57 am
bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Allowing Seymour to collect $11.5 guaranteed without being able to practice, Kelly at 5 years/$70 million etc. etc. etc.
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Seymour counted 2.2 million against the cap this year. Not 11 mill.
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perhaps I was misinformed but I thought Seymour was due 15 mill this year and if we cut him he was owed 7.5 mill? no?
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Correct , if reggie cut seymour in Febuary last year he would have been owed 7.5 mil instead of 15 mil. Reggie kept him then gave him a new contract that hurts our cap space next year when hes cut
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I thought I read some where that in seymour’s contract the Raiders can Opt out with no hit.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:08 am
I hope they don’t play Pryor the rest of the season. His stock right now is high enough to bring us a 4th rounder, maybe a 3rd. If he plays against KC next week and stinks it up, his stock will drop and no team will want to touch him.
I hope Reggie is behind not playing him. He needs to trade him for some draft picks next year.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:08 am
When palmers teamates didnt step up for him in Cincy , I knew the season was over for him
December 7th, 2012 at 8:08 am
“I think he IS a beaten man. He’s one of the few who finally said it like it is. He’s obviously really disappointed how things have turned out, after all the hard work. He probably had expectations like the rest of us. I think in his heart, he still wants to turn the Raiders around but realizes this year is a done deal, and they failed big time. He’ll regroup in the offseason, and come back strong and determined. But right now, I think he’s feeling a little hopeless……Can’t blame him.”
Good post!
December 7th, 2012 at 8:09 am
theghostronin79 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Seems like Palmer is a beaten man at this point, When he talks it’s like he expects to lose. (this coming from someone who has defended Palmer since he got here)
I wonder if he still wants to be a part of “righting the ship” Hope so.
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I think he IS a beaten man. He’s one of the few who finally said it like it is. He’s obviously really disappointed how things have turned out, after all the hard work. He probably had expectations like the rest of us. I think in his heart, he still wants to turn the Raiders around but realizes this year is a done deal, and they failed big time. He’ll regroup in the offseason, and come back strong and determined. But right now, I think he’s feeling a little hopeless……Can’t blame him.
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sounds pretty accurate.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Raiderbuck Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:08 am
nycraider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:57 am
bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Allowing Seymour to collect $11.5 guaranteed without being able to practice, Kelly at 5 years/$70 million etc. etc. etc.
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Seymour counted 2.2 million against the cap this year. Not 11 mill.
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perhaps I was misinformed but I thought Seymour was due 15 mill this year and if we cut him he was owed 7.5 mill? no?
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Correct , if reggie cut seymour in Febuary last year he would have been owed 7.5 mil instead of 15 mil. Reggie kept him then gave him a new contract that hurts our cap space next year when hes cut
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I thought I read some where that in seymour’s contract the Raiders can Opt out with no hit.
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the salary wont be paid but the accelarated signing bonus of about 5.5 will go against our cap
December 7th, 2012 at 8:11 am
bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:02 am
I said it 100 times this week. There is no one in the entire world that gets a paycheck from the Oakland Raiders that deserves to be defended. I don’t care who stays or who goes after the season. I don’t give a sh1t about being the laughing stock of the NFL. 90% of these idiots that talk don’t know d1ck about football.
It still amazes me the comments I read in here. As if there is a coach in the league that could win with this team…
Have a lot of Reggie’s signings turned out to be garbage? Absolutely… but when you go dumpster diving you have to assume that most of what you pull out is garbage.
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Wow. This is the only post I have read on this site in weeks that makes sense. Thank you.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Al certainly had his issues, my concern with Reggie is he had a chance to cut seymour, save 7.5 mill and not have his contract hurt a rebuilding situation. Instead he gives him a new contract that when he is cut next year it hits our cap by 5.5 mil. When we cut briesel next year it hits our cap by 2.7 mil, throw in the surprising franchising of branch but then the even more surprising long term contract and Reggie made some real bad decisions that will hurt our efforts to rebuild.
I am most upset at Al for not having a gm in place , guess Al thought he would live forever. Rookie GM, Rookie coach, Rookie owner = recipe for disaster
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Reggie didn’t know Sey was going to pack it in. By all accounts (outside of this blog) Seymour was our defensive leader. He was a pro bowler with us. Reggie did all he could do in kicking the cap can down the road with Sey. You have to try to keep some leadership around.
I don’t fault him for the Brisiel deal either. Brisiel was one of the highest graded guards in the league last year. He brought toughness to a team that lacked it (dude finished a game in december on a broken leg). By all accounts he was a cap casualty for Houston, not a problem player. His Oline coach last year recommended him highly to reggie. It is a failure, he will be cut. Reggie only gave him a 3 million bonus so it wont be major cap issue (2 mill in dead money, but we have seen plenty of worse contracts than that).
As far as Branch is concerned, even Mayock last night was singing his praises. Branch takes a lot of heat in here that isn’t warranted. He hustles to the ball a lot so it looks like he got beat, when in reality it is usually someone else’s screw up. Branch’s play hasn’t warranted the payday, but he is regarded MUCH higher in the NFL world than he is in this blog.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Have you guys seen this:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/07/goodell-pushes-for-new-raiders-stadium/#comments
Look at how scared Godell looks in this picture!
December 7th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Supplemental draft picks don’t usually pan out so well. Pryor could end up being a wasted 3rd rounder this year, and look at Cleveland getting Josh Gordon. That would have been a top 10 pick in the draft next year. You know it’s bad when you look at the Cleveland Browns franchise with envy.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:11 am
bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:02 am
I said it 100 times this week. There is no one in the entire world that gets a paycheck from the Oakland Raiders that deserves to be defended. I don’t care who stays or who goes after the season. I don’t give a sh1t about being the laughing stock of the NFL. 90% of these idiots that talk don’t know d1ck about football.
It still amazes me the comments I read in here. As if there is a coach in the league that could win with this team…
Have a lot of Reggie’s signings turned out to be garbage? Absolutely… but when you go dumpster diving you have to assume that most of what you pull out is garbage.
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Wow. This is the only post I have read on this site in weeks that makes sense. Thank you.
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You ever go to Target or Walmart in January? All the leftover Christmas stuff is on like 80% discount. It’s all heaped in a pile and it consists of….
a few 5 ft strings of blue lights…
Some crappy red ribbon…
A dirty, broken Santa Clause…
Pink and purple wrapping paper….
and a couple of hideous tree ornaments…
Next year we’ll be shopping for real, and ON TIME.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:17 am
526.boss01 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:08 am
I hope they don’t play Pryor the rest of the season. His stock right now is high enough to bring us a 4th rounder, maybe a 3rd. If he plays against KC next week and stinks it up, his stock will drop and no team will want to touch him.
I hope Reggie is behind not playing him. He needs to trade him for some draft picks next year.
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Pryor has NO STOCK. He made 4 plays in preseason and can’t get on the field. Who is going to trade a 3rd or 4th for that? He ONLY has stock in Raider fan minds… he like MUCH of our roster for 10 years is WAY over valued by fans.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:19 am
I don’t see us shopping at Target or Walmart early next year either. Still a lot of dead cap to kick down the road. Maybe in year 3 of the regime.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Al certainly had his issues, my concern with Reggie is he had a chance to cut seymour, save 7.5 mill and not have his contract hurt a rebuilding situation. Instead he gives him a new contract that when he is cut next year it hits our cap by 5.5 mil. When we cut briesel next year it hits our cap by 2.7 mil, throw in the surprising franchising of branch but then the even more surprising long term contract and Reggie made some real bad decisions that will hurt our efforts to rebuild.
I am most upset at Al for not having a gm in place , guess Al thought he would live forever. Rookie GM, Rookie coach, Rookie owner = recipe for disaster
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Reggie didn’t know Sey was going to pack it in. By all accounts (outside of this blog) Seymour was our defensive leader. He was a pro bowler with us. Reggie did all he could do in kicking the cap can down the road with Sey. You have to try to keep some leadership around.
I don’t fault him for the Brisiel deal either. Brisiel was one of the highest graded guards in the league last year. He brought toughness to a team that lacked it (dude finished a game in december on a broken leg). By all accounts he was a cap casualty for Houston, not a problem player. His Oline coach last year recommended him highly to reggie. It is a failure, he will be cut. Reggie only gave him a 3 million bonus so it wont be major cap issue (2 mill in dead money, but we have seen plenty of worse contracts than that).
As far as Branch is concerned, even Mayock last night was singing his praises. Branch takes a lot of heat in here that isn’t warranted. He hustles to the ball a lot so it looks like he got beat, when in reality it is usually someone else’s screw up. Branch’s play hasn’t warranted the payday, but he is regarded MUCH higher in the NFL world than he is in this blog.
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Houston signed Danieal manning for 20 mil, we signed Briesel for 20 mil. Excuses exist everyday. Because Mayock said nice things about branch doesnt mean Branch deserved to be franchised and then given a long term contract. Seymour as a leader, he’s had a history of not practicing, inconsistent play with the raiders, yes he smacked big ben in the mouth, but what has seymour done since he’s been here to get the label of leader?
Here’s my point, Reggie could have avoided all these decisions hurting us next year. Instead they ALL backfired on him. Eventually excuses run out just like time. 2012 the year of the excuse, 2013 there are no excuses
December 7th, 2012 at 8:22 am
536.bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:17 am
526.boss01 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:08 am
I hope they don’t play Pryor the rest of the season. His stock right now is high enough to bring us a 4th rounder, maybe a 3rd. If he plays against KC next week and stinks it up, his stock will drop and no team will want to touch him.
I hope Reggie is behind not playing him. He needs to trade him for some draft picks next year.
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Pryor has NO STOCK. He made 4 plays in preseason and can’t get on the field. Who is going to trade a 3rd or 4th for that? He ONLY has stock in Raider fan minds… he like MUCH of our roster for 10 years is WAY over valued by fans.
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He can’t get on the field because the Raiders mortgaged the future for Carson and paid Leinart handsomely to be the backup. GM’s are aware of that. Whatever stock he is worth now will exponentially decline if he stinks it up against the worst team in the NFL. Gotta get a draft pick for him or just plain release him.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:23 am
For those that keep bringing up. Joe Gibbs, and Bill Walsh’s etc etc.. coaching returns as failures.
I got one name for you: Dick Vermeil
Ask the Rams how that turned out. Better yet, ask Al Saunders to show you his Super Bowl Ring.
Denis Allen is a lame duck coach.
Bring Gruden Back!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 8:23 am
So let look at the bright side, I think we just found ourselves a corner. Adams had a nice game, just what we need. Bartell is a POS.
DMAC is a living legend, why?, cause you hear all the stories of greatness, yet it never shows up on the field. its only a legend folks…
What we gave up for Palmer, what Denver gave up for Manning, thats why Al was such a poor GM at the end of his career, cause Manning would have never considered Oakland. We had to give up a draft to bring in Palmer.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:24 am
I wish I could be entitled to an entire year I could write off as a “year of the excuse”. Would be nice to get that kind of leeway in real life. Reggie is blessed.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:24 am
What a waste of time, effort and money on this crappy a$$ football season.
This whole thing is just a complete joke and everyone involved should be ashamed.
And yes I’m very pi$$ed.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Good morning fans,..hey the good news its its almost over,…but Im here to deliver bad news…well, not bad for all just the fans like me,…as you know Im at every game, on the sidelines, am friends with Her,…Im here to tell you something,..DA is coming back,…not only is he not getting canned, the brass love the guy and want him around for ten years…there will be major roster changes in a month or so, very little coaching staff changes however so get used to this one,…Jon Gruden isnt coming home,..I was told that to my face inside the Oracle yesterday,…She knows I pine away for his return,…assured me in no way is that going down,…Jon and the Davis family are very friendly nowadays, so its not out of any hatred,…its just not happening, all I can say,..or all I was told anyway,…heres another truth, Palmer will start every game next year, and the year after,…Pryor most likely released in about a month…now that you know the facts its your choice to support or not,…have a nice weekend.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:31 am
JONGRUDEN2013,
I don’t know where you get all these “facts” from, but you came in here so sure that Gruden was comig in to save the day, and now you flip flop 180 degrees? How convenient.
Yes, I agree with everything you are reporting. Not that I ever really bought the Gruden rumors wholesale. The Pryor experiment is just about over.
But if it’s true that the coaching staff is to be retained and Palmer is the long term QB, brace yourselves for a long run of picking top of the draft boards.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Good teams have good things happen to them like Daniel Manning playing his best football for the texans. Brisiel played damn good ball there and has been awful there. BUT Reggie protected us with the Brisiel signing because his signing bonus was relatively small. The penalty to cut bait on that deal isn’t anywhere near what Al routinely handed out.
Enough with this line of excuses bullsh1t too man. I am sick of hearing it. If I explain what I am thinking about the decisions that were made, that doesn’t mean I am making excuses. To be perfectly honest, I don’t give a fvck if Reggie is fired. I KNOW he won’t be, but I won’t shed a tear if he is. DA, Knapp, Tarver… none of em. Don’t care if they are gone. How can I make ‘excuses’ for someone I don’t care about getting fired.
I am simply trying to shine a more intelligent light on the conversation than saying ‘FIRE BIG DUMMY’ ‘FIRE TITS’ blah blah blah. The same nonsense over and over again.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:33 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Post #544
I agree 100% with everything you said it is foolish for us hope that Gruden is coming back when this organization is committed to DA.
Palmer should be our QB next year there is no one else more qualified on the roster and Pryor should play WR or TE he could really help us!
December 7th, 2012 at 8:35 am
How is saying you don’t give a fvck about anyone getting fired any more intelligent or insightful than others saying “fire big dummy” or “fire tits”. Because you use those big fancy words?
Good things happen to good teams? OK….
Still trying to get my head around that one. There’s a tie in to smart GM cap management there somewhere I am guessing.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Guest,.I only post here what I am actually told,..theres times Im purposely mislead…DA is coming back,..of course Knapp and Tarver may not,..I think Tarver will for sure,..Knapp might be let go just to appease some players…Mark likely thinks DMC sucks due to Knapp,…but the truth is DMC is a below average back with no speed, no vision, no tackle breaking skills,…the Raiders deen to draft only D lineman in April,..draft about 8 of them.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:35 am
‘We just didnt have a chance to use tp’…… are you talking about the qb or toilet paper retard??
December 7th, 2012 at 8:36 am
I guess my CP3 jersey is safe to wear for another year!
December 7th, 2012 at 8:36 am
December 7th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Good morning fans,..hey the good news its its almost over,…but Im here to deliver bad news…well, not bad for all just the fans like me,…as you know Im at every game, on the sidelines, am friends with Her,…Im here to tell you something,..DA is coming back
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Didn’t you tell us just 3-4 days ago that ’she’ and Reggie gave you the ‘wink wink, nod nod’ at the Browns game that Gruden WAS coming back…
Or were we supposed to have forgetten that already?
December 7th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Something needs to be done about the WR roster next year. I am sick and tired of seeing drop after drop after drop from these sorry bunch of over-hyped punks. Sad thing is every damn receiver on the roster contributes to the drop pot. We have no reliable receiver on this team. Only Myers is kinda reliable but everyone else drops at least one or two balls thrown their way each game, including the running backs.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Let me tell you something about Pryor,…some here refuse to see the truth, they are colorblind,..the dude has zero qb skills…if he started the KC game it would be comical…seriously, Pryor isnt a qb,…might not be in the NFL next year.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:38 am
The sky flops back and forth so much…
December 7th, 2012 at 8:38 am
24,…read what I posted a few minutes ago,..theres times Im purposely mislead.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Here’s a thing on Pryor.
We talk about him not having a chance at success due to his not being good in practice, but flip it for a second and look at all the players that DID look good at practice and what they’ve done on the field.
When you’re 3-10 EVERYTHING you are doing as an organization is up for debate and questionable.
I don’t know how we can trust the coaching staff to know which players are best to be suited up.
This is the same staff that basically put Reece on ice and continue to do so. He gets on the field due to injury and BOOM…makes an impact.
My point is coaches are WRONG sometimes. These same coaches said this was a playoff team so how can we trust these guys to know the right thing to do all the time? We can’t.
When a staff trots out a 3-10 team that is getting shellacked at every turn my trust in that staff..that they know the right thing to do… is very thin.
It makes no sense that they wouldn’t wanna play Pryor and at least see what he can do in a real game. If he fails miserably..he fails miserably. AT this point in the season who cares. Does it make a huge difference if we might have won a game with Palmer or not by putting Pryor in?
They can’t act like they know anything about what it really takes to win if they haven’t proven they can put a team in a situation where they actually DO win.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Good teams have good things happen to them like Daniel Manning playing his best football for the texans. Brisiel played damn good ball there and has been awful there. BUT Reggie protected us with the Brisiel signing because his signing bonus was relatively small. The penalty to cut bait on that deal isn’t anywhere near what Al routinely handed out.
Enough with this line of excuses bullsh1t too man. I am sick of hearing it. If I explain what I am thinking about the decisions that were made, that doesn’t mean I am making excuses. To be perfectly honest, I don’t give a fvck if Reggie is fired. I KNOW he won’t be, but I won’t shed a tear if he is. DA, Knapp, Tarver… none of em. Don’t care if they are gone. How can I make ‘excuses’ for someone I don’t care about getting fired.
I am simply trying to shine a more intelligent light on the conversation than saying ‘FIRE BIG DUMMY’ ‘FIRE TITS’ blah blah blah. The same nonsense over and over again.
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ive never said fire big dummy or fire tits..i try to speak with facts…but within this blog , reggie supporters lean on excuses way too much..i agree that reggie, da and his staff will probably be retained. but reggie gets way too much slack on the decisions he made.especially the ones that affect 2013. Although he whiffed big time on guys like bartell, i realize those are only 2012 mistakes so no big deal. im pissed at the decisons made unnecessarily that will hurt us in 2013.
Im sick of hearing about the past, from what Al did or didnt do, from Cable, to Hue. For me i am concerned about 2013 and just no confident in Reggie.its one thing to have bad luck or circumstances, but its another to continually make bad decisions. i wont stop pointing out excuses, because i’m tired of them.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:41 am
You play tp to see what he has in games.. you decide what to do about the most important pos in football. Before the draft. And you don’t know Amy just stop it
December 7th, 2012 at 8:42 am
One thing is for certain: NOBODY on this blog is certain about anything concerning the Raiders at this point!
December 7th, 2012 at 8:43 am
554.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Let me tell you something about Pryor,…some here refuse to see the truth, they are colorblind,..the dude has zero qb skills…if he started the KC game it would be comical…seriously, Pryor isnt a qb,…might not be in the NFL next year.
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At least I am not the only one to recognize this fact.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:43 am
I know Amy very well. YOU dont, thats for sure. Come to KC game, you will see me on the sidelines, talking to her, Mark, Reggie, Willie, Morris,..etc.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:44 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Let me tell you something about Pryor,…some here refuse to see the truth, they are colorblind,..the dude has zero qb skills…if he started the KC game it would be comical…seriously, Pryor isnt a qb,…might not be in the NFL next year.
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I’m afraid you’re dead right here. Too bad he wont consider a position change. The organization knows what they have in Pryor. They have been sitting on him for over a year now. If they were half as excited about him as the blog folks, they would have elevated him by now. They aren’t magically waiting for the last 3 games to change their minds.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:44 am
JONGRUDEN, So let it be comical just to shut the Pryor people up. What does it matter at this point. If he fails he fails and we move on, but if we don’t play him there will always be guys harping on the “big chance at franchise QB” we let slip by.
I’m ready for some entertainment with this team. Some comedy from Pryor might be just what we need.
I’m joking, but what the heck..throw him out there and let him run around and throw the ball.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:47 am
DJ,…the only entertainment from a game Pryor starts is for fans from other teams laughing,…he will never start for the Raiders or any other team. Released in about a month. Reg tried to get a 7th rounder for him and couldnt.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:48 am
565.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:47 am
DJ,…the only entertainment from a game Pryor starts is for fans from other teams laughing,…he will never start for the Raiders or any other team. Released in about a month. Reg tried to get a 7th rounder for him and couldnt.
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When exactly did Reggie attempt to trade Pryor mr. insider?
December 7th, 2012 at 8:49 am
They need to decide if he’s a project quarterback or theyre going to cut him. if they’re going to cut him might as well have done it already… If he’s a project quarterback in get him some in game reps… how hard is that to understand? Even for tits?
December 7th, 2012 at 8:50 am
I’m with you DJJ… Why let a guy fester on the roster without seeing what he has… Dont give him a shot and cut him, then you’ve just wasted his time, the Raiders time and relinquished the opportunity to groom someone you intend to give a shot to someday …
December 7th, 2012 at 8:50 am
TRANSLATION:
“I AM ON THE ROPES AND I SURE AS H3LL KNOW IT. PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE WITH SUGAR ON TOP, DONT QUIT ON ME. ONE OR MORE BLOWOUTS AND I’M GONE!”
to which i say…3-13 baby the uglier we get there the better….
SHLAYTOR D0A!
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“Our team fought tonight,” Allen said. “We came up on the short end of the stick. The Denver Broncos were the better team tonight, but our guys fought and that’s what I want to see the remaining three games of the year. I want to see our guys fight and compete because that’s what it takes to win in this league.”
December 7th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Before the trade deadline dude,..even a nobody like you should know when trades try to happen,..BEFORE the trade deadline,..a month up to the deadline,..weeks up to the deadline,…how bout he tried since the day he got the GM job…geez,…Boss is one clueless dude.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:53 am
558,
I don’t know where you weigh in on Babin but i thought Reggie should have at least put in a bid for him.
I thought it may have been he knew the teams ahead of us for the claim would get him and what’s the point of trying, but he nixed that idea during his “presser” when he said we didn’t want him.
If this thing is gonna get built up i think you can do worse than acquiring a guy who had 18 sacks last yr. and more sacks THIS year than any of our guys currently. Yes he’s ancient at 33, but DA announced “we don’t have pass rushers” and then BOOM..one becomes available and they arent interested.
1.6 mill. for the rest of this season is all it was with the opportunity to lock him up for next yr. and beyond if you want.
What’s wrong with having a veteran pass rusher who is still playing at a fairly high level…especially better than anything you have currently?
If a guy like Babin isn’t good enough to be on this team than what are they thinking they are gonna get?; some 22 yr. old with 20 sacks AND who will come cheap?
Good luck with that.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:54 am
If he’s never going to play a snap in the NFL he should have been cut so the Reggie can sign 1 of his famous practice squad players…. If he’s a project player then we need to get him some reps. Dumb monkeys
December 7th, 2012 at 8:54 am
If we manage to lose to KC next week, then lose out, the no. 1 overall pick is ours.
“Just Win 3 Baby”
December 7th, 2012 at 8:55 am
You guys remember a couple weeks ago Mark went off?…was all fake, for the fans and some players…the org knew back in January that if they won 4-5 games that would be a success,…NOBODY thought this team would be near 8-8 or better,..NOBODY…I think 8-8 is possible next year though.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:55 am
As a coach, on a week-to-week basis – regardless of record – your #1 duty is to put the guy out there you feel gives you the best chance to win.
That might not be CP anymore.
He’s cost us a number of games this year.
I thought the D played well enough for us to win last night. Offense imploded.
CP has 3 or 4 gorgeous passes per game, 3 or 4 WTFs and the rest are usually catchable if on target.
Unfortunately, the WTFs have come at critical times. TB when he put the game on his shoulders, then right when things get serious, he throws a pick. In ATL right when things get serious, he throws a pick. Against CLE, right when things get serious, he throws a pick.
And against Denver last night, right when things get serious, he throws a pick, then we come back and make it serious again and he fumbles.
Mistic, you won. You can come p;ss on my pillow.
Palmer sucks.
Serviceable only. We’re 3-10 with him. Can the argument still be made he gives you the best chance to win?
I’m not so sure now.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:55 am
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“Our team fought tonight,” Allen said. “We came up on the short end of the stick. The Denver Broncos were the better team tonight, but our guys fought and that’s what I want to see the remaining three games of the year. I want to see our guys fight and compete because that’s what it takes to win in this league.”
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And nobody knows better than DA what it takes to win in this league.
Just look at his record. Isn’t it obvious?
December 7th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Reggie didnt try for Babin because he was cut in Philly for quitting on his team,…those are the kinds of players that have been here long enough that Reggie is getting rid of. Glad I can help.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:56 am
THREE UNDER THE TREE!
3-13 OR (AND?) BUST!
December 7th, 2012 at 8:57 am
572. I agree. After Reggie saw there were no takers for TP6 he should have cut him post trade deadline.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:57 am
“The Denver Broncos were the better team tonight, but our guys fought and that’s what I want to see the remaining three games of the year.”
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Man, theres nothing left in the bucket, this is all we aspire for? fight? get run over? Pathetic, really, really pathetic, Gruden would be in a manic mode working his butt off to be competitive, red faced veins popped out and schyt, DA is like weeeeeee, go out there and give all your effort children… what a POS
December 7th, 2012 at 8:57 am
I assume Mcfad will miss the rest of the season with his latest “injury”
December 7th, 2012 at 8:57 am
570.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Before the trade deadline dude,..even a nobody like you should know when trades try to happen,..BEFORE the trade deadline,..a month up to the deadline,..weeks up to the deadline,…how bout he tried since the day he got the GM job…geez,…Boss is one clueless dude.
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You are delusional. Please take some meds…your hallucinations are getting out of hand.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Boss,..Im at every game, row 1,..sidelines pregame a lot,..you live here. Sorry, I win, you lose.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:59 am
I’m GLAD we have three winable games left.
so WHEN WE GET SHELLACKED NO EXCUSES FOR D0A!!
BUH-BYE!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Babin is a headcase, locker room cancer. His teammates in Philly hated him. Won’t play with any effort on run plays. Just does the wide nine and lives to accumulate sacks. Pouts if he’s not the man. Living off that 18 sack rep, but his skills aren’t there and he’s got no fire. Like said before quit on his team and he’s pushing 33 years old. $1.3 mill is a lot of money for just 5 games and what’s the point when we are already out of the playoff picture? How does this turd fit into the future plan? He doesn’t!
December 7th, 2012 at 9:00 am
What do you guys want from Allen?
“Yeah, we suck, I’m a failure. Our players are garbage.”
Isn’t it bad enough?
December 7th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Yeah the palmer apologists and excuse makers need to apologize for their nonsense…. It was a terrible trade you would have thought al Davis’s ghost possessed hue to make such a bad trade.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:00 am
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:56 am
DA has not ‘Valued” Field Position on KO’s all season…When Goodson returned the ball from deep in the End Zone and got it out to only the 8 yd line.
That put us deep in our own end and lead to the sack/strip on CP. We have had 1 return with any chance to go all the way in 12 games and he’s still letting these guys run out of the End Zone time after time.
It’s bothered me all season and last night it lead to the Big Change in momentum…pitiful gamesmanship.
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That was the turning point of the game. How does that even happen? It was all over but the shoutin. Didn’t we have a penalty on a good play right before the (tuck) fumble>
December 7th, 2012 at 9:01 am
What proof is there that Reggie tried to trade Pryor. Link? Source? I know Reggie mentioned he watched tape on Babin, but I read the entire transcript from the interview and I don’t recall anything said regarding Pryor.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:02 am
575,
I have been a Palmer guy all along, but even I am getting fed up with the TIMING of his int’s.
That being said he was 19-30 with 2 td’s last night and had the same # of int’s that Manning had.
I didn’t see any Broncos outright drop passes last night. Palmer had at least THREE go right off the numbers. This has been going on ALL YEAR LONG.
I’m not saying Palmer is the answer but he needs guys to hold on to the ball to give us any chance of winning.
His fumble was a killer though.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Im not into links or sources,..thats for people like you, who never get first hand knowledge.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Actually, Reggie said he wanted a look at Pryor.
Guys are getting impatient. I wouldn’t be surprised to see wk 17 as a preseason type game against SD. For them too.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Nobody would hold on to a player they intend to cut. They would simply sign someone better.. I don’t understand what’s going on with the TP situation.. Give him some reps or cut him… wtf??
December 7th, 2012 at 9:04 am
i remember watching travis goethel rolling grounders to shane lechler, and ignorantly wondering to myself, “it can’t get any worse than this…”
December 7th, 2012 at 9:05 am
ITS LIKE PEOPLE HERE HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN NOT SEEING WHAT PRYOR HAS TO OFFER.
HE SUCKS? FINE LETS SEE IT..WHAT, WE GO 3-11?
WE ARE THREE AND TEN PEOPLE!! HELLO!!!
IN FACT I WANT 3-13 SO MORE LOSSES ARE FINE…
I CAN TELL U ONE THING. GUARANTEED SACK/STRIP/FUMBLES WILL GO AWAY WITH TP6!
SOMETHING SMELLS FISHY WITH ALL THESE DONT SEND HIM OUT THERE KLOWNS…
December 7th, 2012 at 9:05 am
“Let me tell you something about Pryor,…some here refuse to see the truth, they are colorblind,..the dude has zero qb skills…if he started the KC game it would be comical…seriously, Pryor isnt a qb,…might not be in the NFL next year.”
This is true people he throws like Teblow
December 7th, 2012 at 9:05 am
JONGRUDEN2013
Did you get any potential college players they may be interested in?
December 7th, 2012 at 9:06 am
I would love for DA to show some emotion, I mean c’mon, the team is getting slapped around on both sides of the ball, the effort is not there, stupid mistakes are routine, the players trot out expecting to loose.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Worst special teams coach in Raider history that’s all that stuff happens.. nice hire tits
December 7th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Nope.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:06 am
info
December 7th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Are they just tight lipped or the conversation never came up?
December 7th, 2012 at 9:07 am
THE ONLY GUYS THAT CAN HELP US PLAY ON SATURDAYS.
Do you really think that other teams are going to just let pro bowl talent walk????
Seymour and Curry were great examples of what is “AVAILABLE”.
You build your core through the draft.
You can get a niche piece here and there through free agency. That is it.
WE DO NOT HAVE A CORE!!!!
Do you really think Reggie can just remake a team based on free agenst after ten years of horrible drafts and poor cap management?
He kept Seymour hoping to get something out of him. Cut him and you take the cap hit and still have to find AND PAY SOMEONE ELSE.
THAT MATH IS NOT HARD TO FIGURE OUT.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Wassup Green party!
I think I’m still feeling the effects from last night. Me, Brian, and Hwnrdr were fked up!
December 7th, 2012 at 9:08 am
DA doesnt show emotion?…how you know that?…the 3 or 4 times a camera is on him hes not flippin out?…Im at every game, as you all know,..row 1,..dude shows emotion. You see kids, (Chevy Chase voice again),…you see kids, from your tv set, you dont see it all.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:10 am
If theres any artists in the nation id like a fairly large painting of tits breastfeeding our #1 draft pick.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:11 am
I understand Reggie inherited a crappy roster. But, 1) he hired the coaching staff, 2) he’s made plenty of roster changes…this team would get blown out of the water by last year’s team. why? cause this coaching staff is amateur and heartless.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Why would they keep Taiwan Jones and TP on the roster if they suck?
Taiwan has STU value? What about TP makes them want to keep him around?
No, TP will have his chance.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:12 am
the only reason i checked this site today was to look for the words “fired” or “released”
December 7th, 2012 at 9:12 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:53 am
558,
I don’t know where you weigh in on Babin but i thought Reggie should have at least put in a bid for him.
I thought it may have been he knew the teams ahead of us for the claim would get him and what’s the point of trying, but he nixed that idea during his “presser” when he said we didn’t want him.
If this thing is gonna get built up i think you can do worse than acquiring a guy who had 18 sacks last yr. and more sacks THIS year than any of our guys currently. Yes he’s ancient at 33, but DA announced “we don’t have pass rushers” and then BOOM..one becomes available and they arent interested.
1.6 mill. for the rest of this season is all it was with the opportunity to lock him up for next yr. and beyond if you want.
What’s wrong with having a veteran pass rusher who is still playing at a fairly high level…especially better than anything you have currently?
If a guy like Babin isn’t good enough to be on this team than what are they thinking they are gonna get?; some 22 yr. old with 20 sacks AND who will come cheap?
Good luck with that.
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at a minimum , babin would have gotten us a draft pick next year. his salary next year is 5 mil, not guaranteed and someone would have wanted him. character flaws are possible, but it was only a 1.6 million risk with alot of upside potentially. if he was a bad guy , he’s gone no strings attached.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Da shows so little of the ocean that Mark had to have a 4 hour conversation to find out if he was passionate about being a head coach.. I got that from my inside source Mark Davis
December 7th, 2012 at 9:14 am
I’m sure Reggie really didn’t want to have to get a QB. He may have to now. Why not give Lienart and TP a chance in week 17? Why not sooner?
It’s not just the QB position. Give Adams a shot at starting CB, Ross at Safety, Bergstrom at RT, RG.
Let Streater develop a bit.
It’s preseason time, folks.
Reggie will make the call.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Shows so little passion not the ocean.. phones lame plus I have a cold it probably is hard understand me
December 7th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Raiders lost, blah…blah…blah. WE knew this season was over weeks ago. At this point just TANK and get one of the top 2 picks!!!
THIS is the REAL story of the day!!!!
“NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said Thursday the league is willing to contribute funding to help build a stadium in Oakland to keep the Raiders in town…”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-says-nfl-would-help-fund-oakland-stadium/2012/12/06/eeda755e-4007-11e2-8a5c-473797be602c_story.html
Hahahahaha!!!! Read it and weep suckas!!!!!
Oakland Raiders For LIFE!!!!!!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 9:15 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:08 am
DA doesnt show emotion?…how you know that?…the 3 or 4 times a camera is on him hes not flippin out?…Im at every game, as you all know,..row 1,..dude shows emotion. You see kids, (Chevy Chase voice again),…you see kids, from your tv set, you dont see it all.
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didnt mark davis recently say he didnt know DA had emotion until he spent time with him on the plane?
December 7th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Why the fk is Huff playing CB??
Dude stays getting burnt.
6.2 mil for Branch?
Dude can’t cover schit!
Bartell is done!!!!
CP3 doesn’t get a free pass from me!
December 7th, 2012 at 9:15 am
DA doesnt show emotion?…how you know that?…the 3 or 4 times a camera is on him hes not flippin out?…Im at every game, as you all know,..row 1,..dude shows emotion. You see kids, (Chevy Chase voice again),…you see kids, from your tv set, you dont see it all.
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and your example is “dude shows emotion”…LOL, wow! now I believe! really! thank you! your insight is amazing!
Chevy Chase voice? wtf are you smoking my friend?
December 7th, 2012 at 9:15 am
COMMITMENT TO FUTILITY!
December 7th, 2012 at 9:16 am
“ITS LIKE PEOPLE HERE HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN NOT SEEING WHAT PRYOR HAS TO OFFER.”
Let me spell it out for you simpleton….its embarrassing enough losing by 30 now imagine losing by 50 with 6 turnovers.
That would ruin the kid…get a solid O-Line and establish a running game then put the kid in there.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Im smoking pot,..what are you smoking?
December 7th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Fired yet?
December 7th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Are you still in your 50 yard line seat? or are you riding a unicorn with Checy Chase?
December 7th, 2012 at 9:21 am
“Im smoking pot,..what are you smoking?”
I am vaping
December 7th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Funny that JG2013 ‘claims’ Mark put on an “act” for the fans…cause that Fool has been putting on an “ACT” as an OWNER of an NFL team!
Besides the FACT, that the Davis Family doesn’t actually OWN the Team…
Mark is the ultimate Troll, and having posters from this blog stand on the sidelines (alledgedly), is just another example of it…
December 7th, 2012 at 9:23 am
SNB666
Finally someone else that gets it.
Problem is our DLINE IS A DISASTER.
DT DE OT and OG are the priorities.
That is two years worth of drafts but it is what is needed. Too many people can not see that we can not compete on either line so they blame coaches and Palmer. Ridiculous.
Can not wait for 2014.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Mark, Reggie and DA = “A New ERROR in Raider Football”…
December 7th, 2012 at 9:25 am
it’s evaluation and development time, we know what we have in pryor let’s see what leinert pryor and all the young backup players have to offer
December 7th, 2012 at 9:25 am
we know what we have in palmer i meant
December 7th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Can this Staf even DEVELOP a player…
Streator is the only guy who’s playing above his draft/signing position and the rest of these “players” have regressed into a steaming pile of crap…
December 7th, 2012 at 9:31 am
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Mark, Reggie and DA = “A New ERROR in Raider Football”…
Dude almost spilt my coffee again…classic.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:34 am
O Line doesn’t throw back-breaking INTs. Palmer has. Like I said, he’s serviceable and especially, early on, having a good season.
But he won’t take you to the promised land.
Just won’t.
He has a self destruct chip.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Running back Darren McFadden reinjured the same ankle that forced him to miss four games. Rushed for 52 yards, with 36 coming on one carry.
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So sick of this. Ship him off.
Play Stewart, Goodson and Reece.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:37 am
We’ll be active in free agency and I expect a solid draft.
Teo would be fantastic. I would also take D. Moore out of A&M. Those guys will be elite.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:39 am
“A new error in raider football!” Lmao….the three stooges in effect.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:39 am
hey there devil worshiping f(_)kwad…
most of us -rational- “simpleton” fans would rather see what assests we have NOW..BEFORE..commiting to a limited resource (draft pics)…not AFTER
since B33LZ3BUB is not invovled maybe thats too tuff for you to mentally process…
and for genral purposses please go p155 yourself (or drink some goat blo0d if that makes u happier)
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# Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:16 am
“ITS LIKE PEOPLE HERE HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN NOT SEEING WHAT PRYOR HAS TO OFFER.”
Let me spell it out for you simpleton….its embarrassing enough losing by 30 now imagine losing by 50 with 6 turnovers.
That would ruin the kid…get a solid O-Line and establish a running game then put the kid in there.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:41 am
If we get the no. 1 overall, we should find a taker for that pick and get multiple picks for it. Just like the Redskins gave the Browns all those picks to get RGIII. The Browns got Weeden and Richardson as a result.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Here’s something. Hub Arkush was just on the radio in Chicago and they asked about the Gruden thing. He said he didn’t know DA’s dad had passed when he broke his story and mentioned how “a Raider PR guy” came after him on it. Then he said EVEN IF he would have known he still would have broke the story cuz it’s news.
Hub IS STILL STANDING BEHIND THE STORY. He says absolutely. 100% sure that Mark Davis met with Gruden to discuss him coming back to Oakalnd.
He went on to say that Gruden is playing teams against each other right now and Hub is 100% CERTAIN Gruden will be coaching in the NFL next season. He says the frontrunner is Oakland.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:43 am
and one more thing mr 666….
I WANT the team to go 3-13 so your ‘worst case scenario’ is a GOOD outcome.
since you probably cant get around that complex thought…
3-13 is likely ONLY way the KLOWN KOACH KADRE goes home..for good!
as for ‘ruining tp6′…please, child…if that ‘ruins’ him hes not mentally tuff enough to play in pop warner let alone nfl…thats a bunch of steaming d(_)ng right there…
December 7th, 2012 at 9:45 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:55 am
You guys remember a couple weeks ago Mark went off?…was all fake, for the fans and some players…the org knew back in January that if they won 4-5 games that would be a success,…NOBODY thought this team would be near 8-8 or better,..NOBODY…I think 8-8 is possible next year though.
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I can easily believe this.
Semi-pros: you’d be wise not to doubt Norco. He knows people. Has proven it.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:49 am
calm down poopchutefool we all saw TP6 in pre-season and he throws like Teblow and if he would have shown any improvement at all he would be #2 on the depth chart right now ahead of Leinart.
“3-13 is likely ONLY way the KLOWN KOACH KADRE goes home..for good!”
I knew it was you missdick once I was the kkk refrence.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Wow.
We are tied for the worst loss record in football right now.
Top 3 pick.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:51 am
…more on Hub Arkush today. The host Mark Spiegel said that the Raiders need someone like Gruden who is so popular with the fanbase.
He said “Last night in Oakland was just a disaster. They were honoring all their hall of famers, at home on national tv against a hated rival and they come out and lay an egg like that? That team needs serious help and you’d think a guy like Gruden comin in there just makes sense”.
Hub: “Well I really think that’s one of the reasons they are looking at trying to get Gruden back. One thing Gruden likes though is a quarterback and the Raiders just don’t have one right now so I don’t know what they’re gonna do about that, but i’m standing behind my story guys…i didn’t just make this up. (laffs). I think there’s still a ways to go with this and other teams are gonna try and lure Gruden to come, but at the end of the day i think Jon Gruden will be with theOakland Raiders next season.”.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:51 am
At this point you can’t TRUST ANYTHING Mark Davis says or does…
talks out of his AZZ,
makes the biggest HIRE of his LIFE, after 1 interview with a guy who can barely articulate his ideas…
Dude is the biggest STOOGE to get control of a Franchise since the Yorks took over for Eddie D. in SF…
December 7th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Palmer is not a leader did you notice after every series Manning was talking with the offense on the sidelines. while Palmer sits on the bench alone.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:53 am
oh one more thing little poopcutefool guy there is no such thing as the Tooth fairy, Santa Claus or the Devil.
They are all made up things for children, this is a grown ups blog little guy, now put your helmet back on and go back to playing with your Lego’s and let the big boys talk.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:54 am
640.Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:49 am
calm down poopchutefool we all saw TP6 in pre-season and he throws like Teblow and if he would have shown any improvement at all he would be #2 on the depth chart right now ahead of Leinart.
“3-13 is likely ONLY way the KLOWN KOACH KADRE goes home..for good!”
I knew it was you missdick once I was the kkk refrence.
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It’s not Mistic, unless he is a master at personality puppeteering.
Tuckrule is a pretty cool, laid back guy who laffs at jokes and has kind of a fun personality.
That’s NOT Mistic’s modus operandi.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Surprised that after the 3rd qtr debacle on the right side of the line…
Reggie’s Golden Pick, Bergstrom STILL COULDN’T get on the field.
Barnes was a penalty machine, that held a DE and STILL got Palmer sacked….Khalif is JUNK, thinking he would ’shore up’ the right side was ANOTHER BAD EVALUATION by this Mgmt/Coaching staff…
Didn’t they watch tape of last years o-Line?
December 7th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Right now mark is nearing the old bucs owners hugh culverhouse status…
December 7th, 2012 at 9:56 am
“Tuckrule is a pretty cool, laid back guy who laffs at jokes and has kind of a fun personality.” and apparently like missdick he makes kkk references here….OK man
December 7th, 2012 at 9:57 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Here’s something. Hub Arkush was just on the radio in Chicago and they asked about the Gruden thing. He said he didn’t know DA’s dad had passed when he broke his story and mentioned how “a Raider PR guy” came after him on it. Then he said EVEN IF he would have known he still would have broke the story cuz it’s news.
Hub IS STILL STANDING BEHIND THE STORY. He says absolutely. 100% sure that Mark Davis met with Gruden to discuss him coming back to Oakalnd.
He went on to say that Gruden is playing teams against each other right now and Hub is 100% CERTAIN Gruden will be coaching in the NFL next season. He says the frontrunner is Oakland.
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LOL Oh man…here we go.
I really want to believe this is true, seems like for the past 10 years our offseasons are more fun than when the games are played. One thing nobody can call a Raider fan is unloyal…but these are trying days for the nation no doubt.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:59 am
WTF has Mark davis been doing? He’s a grown azz man that has been “employed” by an NFL team for his entire adult life, and he has ZERO idea what the hell is going on…
December 7th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Trying days…ugh. Not sure I want to open my Christmas presents…oh wait never mind I still do.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:00 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:51 am
…more on Hub Arkush today. The host Mark Spiegel said that the Raiders need someone like Gruden who is so popular with the fanbase.
He said “Last night in Oakland was just a disaster. They were honoring all their hall of famers, at home on national tv against a hated rival and they come out and lay an egg like that? That team needs serious help and you’d think a guy like Gruden comin in there just makes sense”.
Hub: “Well I really think that’s one of the reasons they are looking at trying to get Gruden back. One thing Gruden likes though is a quarterback and the Raiders just don’t have one right now so I don’t know what they’re gonna do about that, but i’m standing behind my story guys…i didn’t just make this up. (laffs). I think there’s still a ways to go with this and other teams are gonna try and lure Gruden to come, but at the end of the day i think Jon Gruden will be with theOakland Raiders next season.”.
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BTW thanks for posting this info DJ…gives me hope
December 7th, 2012 at 10:00 am
what we need to do is let TP6 get on the field to see if he can be our quarterback moving forward or if we need to draft a franchise quarterback. palmer is getting older and is average and turn-over prone at best. I have a friend that was born in ohio and moved out here. iv’e watched games with him. even when palmer was putting up big yardage and had spectacular wr talent around him, he always found a way to lose.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:00 am
To be fair, Bergstrom was brought in to be a guard and he’s essentially a 4th round rookie.
I’m not going to do any more speculation or wishful thinking. Whatever happens, happens.
We have a long week and we SHOULD take that as an opportunuity to get backups up to speed.
Our next opponent is KC right?
Ok, so you guys worried about a 50 point blowout if we start TP should relax. No way we lose to KC by any more than 10 points.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:02 am
“Palmer is not a leader did you notice after every series Manning was talking with the offense on the sidelines. while Palmer sits on the bench alone.”
Palmer is a leader he is just not as good as Manning and he knows that….Who is as good as Manning be real, guys like that come along once a lifetime so is it really a fair comparison?
Would you compare Mozart to Kid Rock?
December 7th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Trying days…ugh. Not sure I want to open my Christmas presents…oh wait never mind I still do.
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I hear ya..hard to enjoy December when the Raiders have reached this level of sucking…I was furious, embarrassed and frustrated all at the same time. Can you image how the Raider HOF members were feeling…jeez
December 7th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Palmer isn’t doing anything at the line of scrimmage either. It’s always 1, 2, 3 go. No variance in cadence. Guys were teeing off on him and that’s not all on the O Line.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:04 am
I have a friend that was born in ohio and moved out here. iv’e watched games with him. even when palmer was putting up big yardage and had spectacular wr talent around him, he always found a way to lose.
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Same schit, different toilet.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Draft wish list if we stay in the top 5:
1) Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
2) Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
3) Manti T’eo, MLB, Notre Dame
4) Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
5) Geno Smith, QB, WVU
Draft wish list if Reggie trades down to the 2nd half of the 1st round:
1) Barrett Jones, C/OT, Alabama
2) Chance Warmack, G, Alabama
3) Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU
4) Alec Ogletree, MLB, Georgia
December 7th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Can you image how the Raider HOF members were feeling…jeez
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I was embarrassed for them. For myself. We put up a fight though. We’re just not that good.
Several guys showed me they want to be Raiders next year.
Streater is a guy to keep your eye on. Negative Nancys in here will caution one before annointing a guy, which is fair.
But I’ve had a good look at everyone and have been keeping my eye on Streater. He’s gonna be special.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:08 am
If guys like Manning grew on trees and there were 5 of them every draft I could see everyone’s point BUT seriously how often does a player like Manning come along?
Palmer is a pretty good QB he is NOT Manning or Brady or Rogers OK folks lets get that straight.
But he is also not as crappy as Sanchez or Matt Cassel or Jason Campbell.
He is an average QB like Joe Flaco or Matt Stafford and you can win with guys like that if you have talent around them and we clearly do NOT!
December 7th, 2012 at 10:09 am
the constant losing has us setting the bar low. what we call talented and gifted players on our team, these same players would be average on another team. we need to get rid of our core group of players and start over there.
players that should be traded or shown the door:
tommy kelly
richard seymour
huff
rolando mclain
palmer
mcfadden
barnes.
i think this list would be a good start.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Last night showed me we have talent but terrible coaching on D.
Tarver’s plays suck. he rolls coverage with nobody to cover up the area vacated by the DB. Like all the time. If the pressure doesn’t get there (as it often doesn’t), guys are wide open in the middle. I can see why he sends 5 and 6 as often as he does because our front four hasn’t been getting the job done.
That said, Bryant and Lamarr are keepers. Get a beastly NT (like we’ve all been saying for years) and another edge rusher. Will be able to move guys around and get mismatches.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Palmer is a pretty good QB he is NOT Manning or Brady or Rogers OK folks lets get that straight.
But he is also not as crappy as Sanchez or Matt Cassel or Jason Campbell.
He is an average QB like Joe Flaco or Matt Stafford and you can win with guys like that if you have talent around them and we clearly do NOT!
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Agreed, 666… Could always be worse, Boller could still be our starter leftover from last year! But also could be a he!! of a lot better too!
December 7th, 2012 at 10:12 am
666
December 7th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Team MUST HAVES in 2013:
2 Starting CBs
1 starting FS
1 starting MLB
1 elite DE
1 starting RT
1 starter Interior OL
There are other holes, sure, but these are the most critical.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:13 am
i think teo could do for a defense what willis did in sf. that could be huge for us. but we desperately need a pass rusher too.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Wow ….. where do you even begin?
Palmer has been down right unwatchable during this streak of futility and losses.
During the six game losing streak palmer has accounted for 12 turnover?!?!?1
he seems absolutely helpless to stop the bleeding. Last night after another errant near pick carson had the look of a defenseless kid (baby goat) being led to the slaughter house.
If players were looking for him for leadership and strength they found instead weakness and baffled bewilderment.Palmer stunk, wildly flopping about tossing balls in every direction and melting down with temper tantrums at every turn. He was roadkill
The time is now to sit him down for the remainder of the year. This six game slid has been some of the worst qb play I have seen since the jamarcuss gradkowski era.
Palmer has now dropped to a stupefying low, with a measly record of 7-16 and a mind blowing 37 turnovers!!!
He is one of the worst qbs in football as of this moment and can no longer b considered anything other than a stop gap journey man manning a soon to be open position in oakland.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Houston and Bryant in the middle.
Shonasty needs to flip sides. (holds the edge well)
Draft a nasty pass rusher or sign one.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Team MUST HAVES in 2013:
2 Starting CBs
1 starting FS
1 starting MLB
1 elite DE
1 starting RT
1 starter Interior OL
There are other holes, sure, but these are the most critical.
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good post. exactly right.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:16 am
I say the smart move is to build on these lines get a solid O-Line and get back to being a top 5 running team.
Become more stout on D and get better at Special Teams so our starting field position is not so horrible.
Then introduce a rookie at QB.
The question is how long will it take us to get to that point where we can be a team like Seattle who had a great D with a solid run game then inserted Russell Wilson successfully.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:16 am
HC – Shaw
OC – Norv
DC – Romeo
December 7th, 2012 at 10:17 am
at the end of the day i think Jon Gruden will be with theOakland Raiders next season.”.
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Make it happen, Mark! Heads will roll…
December 7th, 2012 at 10:17 am
iv’e lost total faith in the middle of our d. seymour, kelley, and recently mcclain have been unable to stop the run or put pressure up the middle for years. then we change coaches every year. things that make you go ???
December 7th, 2012 at 10:18 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Can you image how the Raider HOF members were feeling…jeez
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I was embarrassed for them. For myself. We put up a fight though. We’re just not that good.
Several guys showed me they want to be Raiders next year.
Streater is a guy to keep your eye on. Negative Nancys in here will caution one before annointing a guy, which is fair.
But I’ve had a good look at everyone and have been keeping my eye on Streater. He’s gonna be special.
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I agree they did fight..just hated seeing the Broncos highlight show the NFL network put on. Blah blah Broncos this blah blah Peyton that…wanted to puke.
Streater does look to be improving and I think Burris is going to be a keeper.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:18 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Team MUST HAVES in 2013:
2 Starting CBs
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What about Adams?
December 7th, 2012 at 10:19 am
I’m bringing back Hanson to strictly cover the slot. Thats it.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:19 am
I think Burris is going to be a keeper.
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Think so too. Funny to see folks get down on him in here when he isn’t perfect. I’d say he’s doing alright for a mid-round rook, wouldn’t you?
December 7th, 2012 at 10:20 am
First of all, nobody knows how Pryor is going to do as an NFL qb, because nobody has seen play in a real game. Whatever your opinion of him, it’s all speculation. If we go by the way he is getting treated by the current ZarMac/Junior regime, then I guess all of his detractors are right.
The point with Pryor is that if you believe he is not worthy of being an NFL qb, i.e. “can’t throw,” “throws like Tebow,” etc., then cut him loose, why waste a roster spot when you have so many other needs?
Why would you keep a player that you don’t have any plans to use? It’s not like it’s going to be a financial burden if you cut him.
The Raiders are doing a great disservice to Pryor and to the rest of the team by keeping him strapped to the sidelines, inactive, or playing the scout team.
The Raiders are not going to trade or waive Carcux simply because of the major cap hit they’re going to take, in other words we’re stuck with him, and if you still believe he’s the qb that’s going to take us to the playoffs and win a championship, that’s where the Carcux apologists are wrong. Keeping Carcux around is not the “smart” thing to do. In fact, the losses will only continue to mount with him, as well, his apologists will continue to give him a free pass.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Try Some Reality Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:18 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Team MUST HAVES in 2013:
2 Starting CBs
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What about Adams?
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Interesting to see how they handle Spencer?
IMO, he was playing the best out of our CBs before going to down w/ an injury.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Try Some Reality Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:19 am
I think Burris is going to be a keeper.
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Think so too. Funny to see folks get down on him in here when he isn’t perfect. I’d say he’s doing alright for a mid-round rook, wouldn’t you?
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And playing every snap.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Draft Jarvis Jones and find a NT in free agency or the draft and go to a 3-4.
Bryant, Houston, Bilukidi can all play 3-4 end. Burris and Jones coming off the edges can be a pass rushing force. Wheeler and somebody (rookie or FA) in the middle. I think it could work and work well.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Let me also say this.
Watching peyton manning a qb i think of as one of the best of his generation, he is clearly not the same guy in terms of arm strenght. he has transformed his game from the quick strike rocket arm football into the dink and dunk game mangmemnt master.
Even with manning a shell what of what he was, HE IS 50 TIMES THE QB CARSON IS!!!
WHERE THE FUGG ARE THOSE USELESS PALMER CREAZED WORSHIPPERS THAT TRIED TO TELL US THE CARSOBN WAS ELITE LIKE MANNING?????????
December 7th, 2012 at 10:23 am
In fact, the losses will only continue to mount with him, as well, his apologists will continue to give him a free pass.
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Not I
CP3 is not the answer
December 7th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Burris has improved greatly since the start of the season. hes a keeper. along with our receiving corps. we just need a young franchise to grow up with them. dmac cant seem to figure out the zbs or stay healthy. we need a true blocking fullback and maybe give reece a shot.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:25 am
If we stick w/ the zone next year.
Marcel Reece will be our starting RB. No doubt!
December 7th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Try Some Reality Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:19 am
I think Burris is going to be a keeper.
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Think so too. Funny to see folks get down on him in here when he isn’t perfect. I’d say he’s doing alright for a mid-round rook, wouldn’t you?
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Definitely, he’s made some rookie mistakes but he has brought some attitude to the LB core. Wheeler’s play has not been as good as earlier in the year but he should stay as well.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:30 am
I think any coach would like to come to Oakland. RMac is a GM that will work with his coach.
Raiders will have a top 5 pick.
Gruden will want a QB. Palmer is not a Gruden type QB. #6 may be. So if Gruden comes, we may see a brand new offense next year.
New QB, find some one in FA.
Trade Dmac for draft pick.
Go back to power running?
Does DA merit one more season? A lot of questions and not clear answers
December 7th, 2012 at 10:30 am
TP6 must play against the Queefs.
Why?
We need to see what he has to offer in a real game.
We’re evaluating players for next season.
If we lose, who the fk cares, we suck anyways and we’ll get closer to getting a higher draft pick.
If we win, you people that want DA back can at least say you swept the Queefs in 2012.
lol
December 7th, 2012 at 10:30 am
if he can stay healthy. whens the last time we had a running back we can count on week in and week out. season after season. the franchise gots us lowering the bar further and further. we want our fb as hb. and this is after he gets hurt.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Like it or not Palmer haters he is here to stay and he will start next year too!
So all of you crying and whining and acting like 13 year old girls crying on each other shoulders on a blog is NOT going to change that….keep crying however its great entertainment for the rest of us!!
December 7th, 2012 at 10:32 am
hire hc shaw
sign rodgers cromartie and avril
draft te’o
=playoffs 2013
December 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Peyton one of the best of “his generation”?
You on drugs? He’s arguably the best QB of all time.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:34 am
FK da Colts!!!!!!!!
1st you have PM, than you have Luck.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Does DA merit coming back.
I say NO!
Team has regresed and they havent showed improvement, just the same up and down play.
I say it will be the same in 2013.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am
tp6 HAS to play at some point. we have to see if hes our qb of the future or not. we have to stop inserting stop-gap solutions at qb. hopefully regMc can do a lot better with getting us some talented FOOTBALL players (not just talented guys) than last management did.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Morilla Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Peyton one of the best of “his generation”?
You on drugs? He’s arguably the best QB of all time.
———————–
Yeah, Best QB/OC maybe ever. Reminds me of Johnny U. Too smart for ya.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am
morilla Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Peyton one of the best of “his generation”?
You on drugs? He’s arguably the best QB of all time.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Maybe… only one Super Bowl ring and his record against the Patriots in the playoffs would suggest otherwise.
Can’t stand the guy now that he’s wearing orange and blue.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am
TP6 ….the time is perfect.
The raiders will be at home taking on fellow bottom feeder kansas city.
The chiefs present a pefect opportunity for pryor to play n a low pressure environment against a team that he will not have to beat in a shoot out. The cheifs are offensively challenged, this means even our pathetic defense may have chance to keep them under 24 points. So if pryor can lead a couple of td drives we stand a chance to win the game.
KC turns the ball over a ton, they are a mess at corner, and they can be gashed in the run game.
Carolina gave them fits with cam attacking the side lines in the short passing game and deep in the seams of the secondary. he found open spaces because the kc defense was preoccupied with running game of stewart willaims and newton.
We could implement a similar game plan for pryor. Misdirection found newton wide open running lanes, and pryor can do the same thing. Then let pryor use his cannon arm to go down filed on boot action or zone read fakes. DHB and Moore will feast on the dbs.
There is no reason for pryor not to start for the remainder of the year…..unless allen is just an idiot
December 7th, 2012 at 10:37 am
morilla Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Peyton one of the best of “his generation”?
You on drugs? He’s arguably the best QB of all time.
_____________
mistic do you believe randall cunningham and vick are better than peyton
December 7th, 2012 at 10:38 am
“Peyton one of the best of “his generation”?
You on drugs? He’s arguably the best QB of all time.”
That’s what I have been trying to tell these tards all day long this is a once in a lifetime kind of player we are seeing in Manning.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:39 am
666, tell us what you like about palmer and why you think he deserves to be our starting qb? now this should be entertaining..
December 7th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am
There is no reason for pryor not to start for the remainder of the year…..unless allen is just an idiot
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Im thinking Knapp wants to keep his job and #3 gives him the best shot.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Mistic
The time couldn’t be any more perfect for TP6 to finally see some action.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:40 am
morilla Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Peyton one of the best of “his generation”?
You on drugs? He’s arguably the best QB of all time.
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ummm
there are a few others that he plays along side of that also are in the best of their generation maybe you have heard of them
brady
e. manning
rodgers
brees
December 7th, 2012 at 10:41 am
http://pro32.ap.org/dailybreeze/content/goodell-says-nfl-would-help-fund-oakland-stadium-0
OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) — NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said Thursday the league is willing to contribute funding to help build a stadium in Oakland to keep the Raiders in town.
-Keep The Raiders in Oakland
-Fire Knapp
- Start Reece @ RB\
-More Power Running Plays & @least 22 Running Plays per Game!
-Gruden 1st choice, AD without KNapp 2nd Choice, Saunders or Norv as OC
December 7th, 2012 at 10:41 am
cp=romo
their good but not great, can win with the right players around them but there’s a good chance they’ll throw a backbreaking pick to lose you game
December 7th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Im thinking Knapp wants to keep his job and #3 gives him the best shot.
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Well that hasn’t worked out so far.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:42 am
There’s plenty of good running backs who’d be a lot cheaper than McFadden that can be had this year:
Mike Gillislee, Florida
Ray Graham, Pittsburgh
Stepfan Taylor, Stanford
Joseph Franklin, UCLA
Eddie Lacy, Alabama
Kenjon Barner, Oregon
Cierre Wood, Notre Dame
If Reggie can sucker a team into giving a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick for McFadden and pick up one of those guys, the running game will be fine.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:43 am
DMAC Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Mistic
The time couldn’t be any more perfect for TP6 to finally see some action.
__________
you aint never lied, if he doesn’t it’s our selfish coaches looking out for themselves not the future of the organization
December 7th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Mistic @ #700…agreed.
It’s now or never to start Pryor. Long week, time to work out a full gameplan, get all the first team snaps, Palmer not playing well and the season is over so it’s easy to justify the switch etc etc etc.
I’ve been a staunch DA defender but if he doesn’t start Pryor against KC, my estimation of him will take a big blow.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:44 am
DMAC Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Mistic
The time couldn’t be any more perfect for TP6 to finally see some action.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Might as well gives the kid some snaps…I hope he doesn’t embarrass himself though. He seems pretty green. I’m pulling for him though..he’s a hard worker polar opposite of krispy kreme #2.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:45 am
If your a 3rd string player the first thing you need to do is beat out the 2nd string guy THEN you can try to beat out the starter.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:46 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:41 am
cp=romo
their good but not great, can win with the right players around them but there’s a good chance they’ll throw a backbreaking pick to lose you game
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Romo > CP3
Not even close.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:46 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:37 am
morilla Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Peyton one of the best of “his generation”?
You on drugs? He’s arguably the best QB of all time.
_____________
mistic do you believe randall cunningham and vick are better than peyton
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Are you race baiting again?!?!?!
you cant see past skin color
do you have a football take?
December 7th, 2012 at 10:46 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:42 am
There’s plenty of good running backs who’d be a lot cheaper than McFadden that can be had this year:
Mike Gillislee, Florida
Ray Graham, Pittsburgh
Stepfan Taylor, Stanford
Joseph Franklin, UCLA
Eddie Lacy, Alabama
Kenjon Barner, Oregon
Cierre Wood, Notre Dame
If Reggie can sucker a team into giving a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick for McFadden and pick up one of those guys, the running game will be fine.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Great post, hope the Jets bite on that offer.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:45 am
If your a 3rd string player the first thing you need to do is beat out the 2nd string guy THEN you can try to beat out the starter.
++++++++
Leinart is junk.
Palmer takes a step toward becoming junk with each game that passes.
Pryor….might be junk. Or might not. We don’t know. Need to find out.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Are you race baiting again?!?!?!
you cant see past skin color
do you have a football take?
__________
totally not race baiting, i truly wonder what you think, if you think they’re better than peyton given the right offense or what have i won’t comment on it afterward
December 7th, 2012 at 10:49 am
“666, tell us what you like about palmer and why you think he deserves to be our starting qb? now this should be entertaining..”
Logic and common sense is never entertaining little dude….think about it why is “Honey Boo Boo” so popular…stupid people with low IQ’s are the entertaining ones haven’t you seen Jerry Springer….or read your own comments here?
December 7th, 2012 at 10:51 am
mistic do you believe randall cunningham and vick are better than peyton
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Are you race baiting again?!?!?!
you cant see past skin color
do you have a football take?
————————
Good shot. I know………they will saddle you with their baggage if you let them.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:45 am
If your a 3rd string player the first thing you need to do is beat out the 2nd string guy THEN you can try to beat out the starter.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Worshiper
the ship has sailed, then carson led it into an ice berg and it sank to the bottom like and orange and black titanic!!!
NO!!!
The no. 3 qb DOES NOT NEED TO BEAT OUT THE NO.2 QB IN THIS SITUATION!!
in this case the 3rd qb is the one the team needs to evaluate, not lienart, not palmer.
The book has been written on lienart and palmer, and its is a horror novel. filled with failings flame outs and futility.
7-16 37 turnovers….
there is nothing left to see but tp6
December 7th, 2012 at 10:54 am
“Pryor….might be junk. Or might not. We don’t know. Need to find out.”
You don’t think the coaches monitor these kinds of things in practice ALL SEASON LONG?
Sure we should give him and every bench player that we are considering keeping a look now that the season is over but that does not mean we should start him every game here on out but yeah we will see TP6 in some action soon I would guess…..there is a reason he is still 3rd string people just wanted to point that out to you Pryor fans.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:57 am
DA and Nap-time may be worried that if TP6 comes in and plays well, or even compitently, they will look like kooks for not getting him in earlier.
At least he can run with the ball and avoid taking sacks with his back to the goalline…
December 7th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Here’s a take from justblogbaby …
Another Palmer turnover, more defensive breakdowns and more mistakes ended a once close contest.
Just like that it’s business as usual. Palmer hits Darrius Heyward-Bey for another stat-padding touchdown that again makes Carson’s night look better than how horribly he truthfully played.
Aint that the fck truth ! Carsons garbage !
December 7th, 2012 at 10:59 am
It’s going to be hard for me to even watch if they don’t start Pryor.
Start CP3 and either beat the worst team in the league and screw up your draft position a bit or lose and confirm yourself as worst team in the league
Either way, hard to really get up for it.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:01 am
A charger fan told me that raiders should keep DA
And that he likes Palmer better that Rivers
December 7th, 2012 at 11:01 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:45 am
If your a 3rd string player the first thing you need to do is beat out the 2nd string guy THEN you can try to beat out the starter.
++++++++
Leinart is junk.
Palmer takes a step toward becoming junk with each game that passes.
Pryor….might be junk. Or might not. We don’t know. Need to find out.
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Exactly
December 7th, 2012 at 11:01 am
You don’t think the coaches monitor these kinds of things in practice ALL SEASON LONG?
==========================
So your saying you have faith in these COACHES ? You think they make great decisions ? Like switching to ZBS ? You think Greg Knapps a great evaluater
?
Take Carson’s balls out your face and you might see things differently!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Palmer is a great QB I heard all I needed from Mike Mayok last night to confirm what I have always thought.
I know he is not elite but he did end the game with a better QB rating than Manning did in last nights game.
YOo will all be singing a different tune next year when this team is competitive and in every game because the guy wont have to throw 60 balls a game anymore.
Your so narrow minded and full of racism that you cant enjoy the fact we have a decent QB in Oakland something we can and will build around.
And if there is magically another Peyton manning in next years draft I seriously doubt if any Raider fan would upset if we took him.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:54 am
“Pryor….might be junk. Or might not. We don’t know. Need to find out.”
You don’t think the coaches monitor these kinds of things in practice ALL SEASON LONG?
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No, not this coaching staff.
Reece?? took them all season to finally figure him out, when everyone and their momma knew what he is capable of.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Palmer is a great QB I heard all I needed from Mike Mayok last night to confirm what I have always thought.
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Great???
No way…
Hes a average middle of the pack guy.
A GAME MANAGER
Not a elite QB.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:06 am
CP3 is just an average QB. Thats the truth. He probably won’t lead us to schit.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:06 am
“666, tell us what you like about palmer and why you think he deserves to be our starting qb? now this should be entertaining..”
Palmer could throw 3 INTS in a game (he has many times ) and 666 will blame everyone else but Carson . In his eyes carson can do no wrong . He even brags about how Carsons QB rating was higher than Mannings like thats BETTER than fckn WINNING ! He loves some Carson Palmer balls all over his FACE !
December 7th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Your so narrow minded and full of racism that you cant enjoy the fact we have a decent QB in Oakland something we can and will build around.
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LMAO
It’s racist to want to see what Pryor can do?
I have other people who say it’s racist to want to keep CP3 in.
WHich is it?
Maybe it has nothing to do with race.
I’m as white as they come and I want to see the young black kid get a chance. Not racism. Football decision.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:08 am
BTW: khalif Barnes is still holding onto Von Miller as he gets oin the charter back to Denver…
What a freakin’ stiff of an O-Line…
December 7th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Last season, Barnes was our weakest link on the O-line.
This year everyone on the O-line is garbage w/ the exception of Veldy.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:12 am
What the Fk is a stat padding TD?…are you suggesting Palmer shouldn’t try and score tds when behind?… Or that the receivers shouldn’t try and catch passes when our teams behind?….that’s one of the dumbest comments I’ve seen on this blog…..all Qbs thrown Ints…..Manning threw one from about the same distance from the goal as Palmers was… Bree’s throws them… Favre threw them….if you don’t think a Qb should try and make up ground your an idiot…the problem is this teams so horrible making a comeback is almost impossible….. After the first donkey drive last night the Raiders were behind…. So are you saying ever point after that is padding stats…. What Fkn, nonsense ….if you don’t like Palmer just say so …. You could have Jesus Christ at Qb behind this team and he’d have to ” pad his stats….
December 7th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Last season we overachieved.
This season we underachieved.
We have regressed in all categories.
DA must go!
HC – Shaw
OC – Norv
DC – Romeo
December 7th, 2012 at 11:12 am
DMAC Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Last season, Barnes was our weakest link on the O-line.
This year everyone on the O-line is garbage w/ the exception of Veldy.
+++++++++++++
Wiz has come on really strong after a disastrous start to the season in my eyes. He’s really picking up the position.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:14 am
HC – Dennis Allen (have to bite the bullet & give him one more year no matter what I think)
OC – Ken Whisenhunt (is going to get canned in Arizona, still a hell of a good OC, could be a good HC candidate if Allen faceplants. Change of scenery candidate)
DC – Ron Rivera (overmatched as an HC, a great DC, would implement the 3-4)
Allen reminds me of the young, nice, bright kid who falls in with a bad crowd (Knapp, Tarver, Pollack, Hoffman) and never recovers.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:14 am
fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:12 am
What the Fk is a stat padding TD?…are you suggesting Palmer shouldn’t try and score tds when behind?… Or that the receivers shouldn’t try and catch passes when our teams behind?….that’s one of the dumbest comments I’ve seen on this blog…..all Qbs thrown Ints…..Manning threw one from about the same distance from the goal as Palmers was… Bree’s throws them… Favre threw them….if you don’t think a Qb should try and make up ground your an idiot…the problem is this teams so horrible making a comeback is almost impossible….. After the first donkey drive last night the Raiders were behind…. So are you saying ever point after that is padding stats…. What Fkn, nonsense ….if you don’t like Palmer just say so …. You could have Jesus Christ at Qb behind this team and he’d have to ” pad his stats….
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It isn’t just an INT.
It’s when the INT occur during critical part of the game.
Real talk!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Carson Palmer is a loser ! He will always be a loser ! He has never even won a playoff game . Tim Tebow has more PLAYOFF wins than Palmer .
December 7th, 2012 at 11:15 am
This team is horrible from top to bottom….. We have maybe a dozen players that deserve to be back….that’s the reality…. The defense couldn’t stop a one legged midget
December 7th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Let’s not forget we had some players that we let go due to cap space this season that contributed to our winning last season. Also, name the starting WR’s from 2010, 2011, and 2012. We had guys on the 2010 roster that I thought would be incredible and now they aren’t even playing for us. We need to fix the Cap. We need to address the salaries of a few overpriced players (McFadden, Palmer) to name a few and then we need to go out in the Free agent market and make good moves that aren’t all that sexy but, get players who can come in and be a great supporting cast. We should look at TP 6 because we did use a draft pick on him. We should let him play a quarter and we should see what he does.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:16 am
fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:15 am
This team is horrible from top to bottom….. We have maybe a dozen players that deserve to be back….that’s the reality….
++++++++++
Might be worse than that, even…I can only come up with 11:
Veldheer
Wiz
Moore
Streater
Myers
Reece
Houston
Bryant
Bilukidi
Wheeler
Burris
December 7th, 2012 at 11:17 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:12 am
DMAC Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Last season, Barnes was our weakest link on the O-line.
This year everyone on the O-line is garbage w/ the exception of Veldy.
+++++++++++++
Wiz has come on really strong after a disastrous start to the season in my eyes. He’s really picking up the position.
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Wiz is a smart, strong kid. I knew he would eventually come around. Learning the zone was his biggest obstacle.
Briesel has got to go.
Coups days are over.
Barnes will be Barnes. (garbage)
December 7th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Yep, Tim tebows teammates in Denver and New York are all behind him…. Any moron with eyes knows it was the Denver defense that helped tebow….they lost 4 of their last 5 and only backed into the playoffs cause our defense couldn’t stop a bunch of blind Nuns
December 7th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Ghost to the Post Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Let’s not forget we had some players that we let go due to cap space this season that contributed to our winning last season.
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Like who?
Wimbley, Routt? No game changers there.
Thats an excuse.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:22 am
677.Try Some Reality Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:18 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Team MUST HAVES in 2013:
2 Starting CBs
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What about Adams?
———————–
Sorry, this might be late but yeah, of course.
I’m not saying that any of these guys aren’t already on the team.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Mr. Prez,
Good day sir. Did you guys have fun with Chico?
December 7th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Mr. Prez,
Good day sir. Did you guys have fun with Chico?
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Chico = no show
Met Dutch though.
Got wasted w/ Brien and Hwnrdr though.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:26 am
746… Their are a few players coming back that I wish wernt…. Like a branch….he got a big contract now can’t tackle or cover …. I’m hoping he pulls out of his slump
December 7th, 2012 at 11:27 am
740.SilverNBlackPA Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:12 am
DMAC Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Last season, Barnes was our weakest link on the O-line.
This year everyone on the O-line is garbage w/ the exception of Veldy.
+++++++++++++
Wiz has come on really strong after a disastrous start to the season in my eyes. He’s really picking up the position.
********************
Our guards are the problem, Veldy is solid and improved from a shakey start in the new scheme, Wiz has improved drastically in the new scheme and even Barnes is ‘ok’ when he isn’t facing the leagues most dominant pass rusher. The guards have been terrible. Coop was all done heading into last year, and Brisiel was a big miss. He hasn’t been anything close to what he graded out as last year.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:28 am
That’s what happens when you bring the wife. You have no fun.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Raider Mayonaise
Not sure who you are or why you think you can just butt into my posts but listen up little newbie unless you want to look like the rest of the tards with egg on your face daily beat down administered you might want to shut your little pie hole until you have earned the right to speak at me little man…you got that boy?
December 7th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Michael Bush. He was 60 percent of the offense when we lost McFadden. Wimbley was at least getting to the QB. Louis Murphy was looking like a star until he took that hit. Seymour was healthier and actually still trying. And a few others. It’s not the same. This team is lost and without any identity that comes from the head coach. Most of us knew what the results were going to be this summer when they named Greg Knapp the Offensive Coordinator. There are a lot of players and coachs and GM’s that need to take a long look in the mirror and and have a real come to jesus meeting with themselves. I was asked at a game a few weeks ago what this team needed. And the only answer I could give was T n T or C4. It’s a total do over now.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:28 am
753.fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:26 am
746… Their are a few players coming back that I wish wernt…. Like a branch….he got a big contract now can’t tackle or cover …. I’m hoping he pulls out of his slump
**************
Mike Mayock says he feels Branch is the best tackling safety in the league. Just saying… this guy gets paid to evaluate NFL talent, and has been part of the league for longer than a lot of us have been alive.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:28 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Your so narrow minded and full of racism that you cant enjoy the fact we have a decent QB in Oakland something we can and will build around.
++++++
LMAO
It’s racist to want to see what Pryor can do?
I have other people who say it’s racist to want to keep CP3 in.
WHich is it?
Maybe it has nothing to do with race.
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It isn’t. Most Raider fans just want the best guy in there but this board seems infactuated with race. I’m game for playing Houdini at QB to finish the season.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Adams might deserve another look….Huff, I’ve lost faith in him
December 7th, 2012 at 11:29 am
I’d grab whisenhunt real quick if he gets fired
December 7th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Yep, Tim tebows teammates in Denver and New York are all behind him…. Any moron with eyes knows it was the Denver defense that helped tebow….they lost 4 of their last 5 and only backed into the playoffs cause our defense couldn’t stop a bunch of blind Nuns
=================================
Exactly Tim Tebow is GARBAGE . But yet he still has won more Playoffs wins than a 10 year vet that supposedly ELITE !
December 7th, 2012 at 11:31 am
bcz24 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:28 am
753.fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:26 am
746… Their are a few players coming back that I wish wernt…. Like a branch….he got a big contract now can’t tackle or cover …. I’m hoping he pulls out of his slump
**************
Mike Mayock says he feels Branch is the best tackling safety in the league. Just saying… this guy gets paid to evaluate NFL talent, and has been part of the league for longer than a lot of us have been alive.
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Branch could always tackle, but can’t cover for schit.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:31 am
MAC Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:14 am
fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:12 am
What the Fk is a stat padding TD?…are you suggesting Palmer shouldn’t try and score tds when behind?… Or that the receivers shouldn’t try and catch passes when our teams behind?….that’s one of the dumbest comments I’ve seen on this blog…..all Qbs thrown Ints…..Manning threw one from about the same distance from the goal as Palmers was… Bree’s throws them… Favre threw them….if you don’t think a Qb should try and make up ground your an idiot…the problem is this teams so horrible making a comeback is almost impossible….. After the first donkey drive last night the Raiders were behind…. So are you saying ever point after that is padding stats…. What Fkn, nonsense ….if you don’t like Palmer just say so …. You could have Jesus Christ at Qb behind this team and he’d have to ” pad his stats….
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It isn’t just an INT.
It’s when the INT occur during critical part of the game.
Real talk!
——————
CP3 qb rating for the season in the first quarter is in the low 60s, the raiders havent scored a point in the 1st quarter for the last 10 games. Typically Palmer and the raiders struggle early fall behind and then Palmer tends to play better. Make your own assumptions , but Palmer’s slow starts combined with interceptions at critical points in the game are pause for concern
December 7th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Mayock is wrong all the time and he is not paid to evaluate talent.. he’s paid to be a talking head. people like to hear him talk.. If you could really a value 8 you’d be getting paid for it as a GM
December 7th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Why is Huff playing CB?
He sux.
Isn’t 2 much better at FS either.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:32 am
When a man is on a football blog talking about another mans balls it means your homosexual tenancies are showing again (yes I am talking to you RaiderMayonaise)
Now go back to the glory hole where things go in your mouth because most of us here are sick of whats coming out of it.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Fire everyone!! Let Gruden pick his own staff and players!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Wow everytime I talk into this phone it hears everything wrong
December 7th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Exactly Tim Tebow is GARBAGE . But yet he still has won more Playoffs wins than a 10 year vet that supposedly ELITE !
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Sounds awfully familiar, either you are quoting, or you ARE mistic.
I don’t recall anyone calling Palmer ‘Elite’. Saying you think he is a better QB than Jason Campbell is not calling him Elite.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Bcz… Mayock said Branch is one of the best tackling safety’s in the league ?… This year?… Then I disagree with him and I don’t care how long he’s been alive… Before this year I was a big Branch fan ….that’s why my post says ” I’m hoping he pulls out of his slump”…
December 7th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Well……….
At least I get to enjoy some well played b-ball from the Warriors for the rest of the season.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Go Dubs!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Branch is one of those ” regressed ” players we’ve been talking about …. This year his tackling has been horrible
December 7th, 2012 at 11:38 am
When a man is on a football blog talking about another mans balls it means your homosexual tenancies are showing again (yes I am talking to you RaiderMayonaise)
Now go back to the glory hole where things go in your mouth because most of us here are sick of whats coming out of it.
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DOnt get mad cause you got called out for your Gay love affair with palmer . Obviously it hurts because it’s the truth ! Palmers a loser get over it ! btch!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:39 am
I laugh at how some of you where calling out branch and the entire D weeks ago. How everyone on D had to go. Now mayock says branch is good and you reverse your opinion. Branch did not deserve the franchise tag and did not deserve a long term contract.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Branch=poo
December 7th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Palmers not elite….. He’s just better than a lot of the Qb,s we’ve had in Oakland for a while ….his biggest problem is our teams horrible so when he throws an int ( and they all throw them) it hurts more because our defense can stop anybody…. I was surprised they were able to hold the Donks to a couple field goals … That was a major victory for our defense
December 7th, 2012 at 11:41 am
You know what a safety that can tackle but not cover is called? A special teamer
December 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am
But even when the defense plays okay Palmer chokes
December 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Palmer sucks. He’s servicable and that’s it. Would need a stout O Line and WRs that catch and this and that but when it comes down to it, he’s just not clutch.
He’s been a warrior out there and put up a hell of a fight. Probably our best player on O throughout the year but that doesn’t say much.
I don’t fault Hue for the trade. It had to happen.
If nothing else, to validate the trade, you’d have to keep the O and HC from last year intact. We didn’t and this is the result.
We have to hit the reset button on a lot of positions. Coaches too.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am
I actually think MM34 is a good tackler, but that doesnt mean hes a good safety. branch makes the good hit occasionally but he’s been part of the problem not the solution. Certainly not worthy of a long term contract when a team is rebuilding
December 7th, 2012 at 11:44 am
don’t recall anyone calling Palmer ‘Elite’. Saying you think he is a better QB than Jason Campbell is not calling him Elite.
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I’m just a Raider fiend from San diego that hates watching us lose . And I hate when people hype up Palmer like he is Joe Montana . He sucks and is a loser. I don’t want the Raider to be losers any more . The Chargers suck this year and I can’t talk sh!t cause we suck even more . PAlmer has lost more games for us (TB,ATL,Clev,DVR)than he has won !
December 7th, 2012 at 11:44 am
I disagree about Branch. He’s been covering up a lot of other guys mistakes. he had one pretty bad one that I can remember vs. Miami. Other than that, he’s solid.
Should really be used like a 5th LB. Tarver doesn’t know how to use his guys and is even worse at drawing up plays and creating gameplans.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:45 am
fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:51 am
We’re paying for more than a decade of terrible draft picks….. The bill has come due….
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“Everybody, sooner or later, sits down to a banquet of consequences.”
- Robert Louis Stevenson
Its a isht sandwich…one that we have all been feasting on for the past decade…and they STILL expect us to have patience…We have no choice. You can’t Unlike your team. It is what it is..so eat up!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:45 am
MM34 is a joke…
Kid talks big and goes into hiding come Sunday.
Mis reads the ball in flight and has marginal instincts for the ball…
December 7th, 2012 at 11:45 am
I was surprised they were able to hold the Donks to a couple field goals … That was a major victory for our defense
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I really think Fox took it easy on us last night.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Is there any way we can hire Mayock as Director of Scouting or something similar? Dude knows football players…There is no doubt about it!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Should have traded Palmer McFadden and branch before the trade deadline and before people knew they suck
December 7th, 2012 at 11:46 am
As far as Palmer throwing ints at critical times…. With this team when isn’t it a critical time?….I forget what the stat was but the Donks had the ball a lot longer than we did….I believe their we’re at least 3 drops that Palmer put right on the numbers or right in the hands of receivers last night…. MCFadden dropped one the cost them a huge gain
December 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am
771.fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Bcz… Mayock said Branch is one of the best tackling safety’s in the league ?… This year?… Then I disagree with him and I don’t care how long he’s been alive… Before this year I was a big Branch fan ….that’s why my post says ” I’m hoping he pulls out of his slump”…
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He said it last night. Went on a 2 minute diatribe about him. I didn’t say I agreed with him. I also agree that Branch has regressed this year, BUT I think he takes way more heat than he deserves. He hussles to the ball, and a lot of times it looks like he was the guy beat when he wasn’t at all. I might give the guy some extra slack because he is a local dude, but I certainly agree that he hasn’t played to his pay.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:44 am
I disagree about Branch. He’s been covering up a lot of other guys mistakes. he had one pretty bad one that I can remember vs. Miami. Other than that, he’s solid.
Should really be used like a 5th LB. Tarver doesn’t know how to use his guys and is even worse at drawing up plays and creating gameplans.
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was branch out the TB game? seem to remember him getting toasted or having martin run right by him a couple of times..maybe I’m getting confused..
December 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Some guys JUST WIN BABY ! Others just seem to always lose like Carson .He is better than Campbell for sure but not by much in the WINNING department…
December 7th, 2012 at 11:48 am
McFadden might need new scenery … But I agree… I’m not sure we could get much for him anymore…. He’s hurt all the Fk,n time
December 7th, 2012 at 11:49 am
was branch out the TB game? seem to remember him getting toasted or having martin run right by him a couple of times..maybe I’m getting confused..
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TB went right at Rolando and Giordanno.
Last night, Peyton went after Huff like six straight plays on opening drive.
Soon as Huff got hurt and Adams came in, we’re getting stops.
Huff must go. He’s put up 7 years of really bad tape.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Played to his Pay- great line and thats a big problem. Very few guys have earned their checks. Jano, Meyers, Reece, thats it in my book
December 7th, 2012 at 11:49 am
I really think Fox took it easy on us last night.
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FOx and Manning did take it easy . Peyton felt sorry for us so they settled for Fg’s instead of TD’s so it would not embarress DA and friends. That’s how sad we are, when our division rivals FEEL SORRY for US!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Fox, Manning and every team in our Division wants DA to be our HC…easy picking for them when we play.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:50 am
When has branch ever made plays in coverage consistently or even once in awhile and he always takes bad angles to the ball I don’t care if you can tackle if he’s taking a bad angle
December 7th, 2012 at 11:50 am
The way the Raiders became a power was by building the lines with high picks then getting someone to carry the ball with later picks.
Perhaps that was more Ron Wolf than Mr Davis but that is the way we did it;
Hewritt Dixon 8th round by Denver
Clem Daniels Free Agent
Hubbard 11th round
Van Eegahn 3rd round
Clarence Davis 4th round
Banaszak 5th round
Charlie Smith 4th round
Don Highsmith 13th round
The only high round picks we invested on a RB in the history of the Raiders were Allen 1st, Kaufman 1st Bell 2nd and DMAC 1st.
Even Bo was a 7th rounder because of his two sport option.
Point is the game has not changed. REPEAT. IT HAS NOT CHANGED.
Why do you think PEYTON PICKED THE BRONCOS? THEY WERE 6TH IN THE LEAGUE IN RUSHING LAST YEAR AND 4TH IN TEAM DEFENSE!!!!!!!!
Build the lines and half the people on this blog could get yardage.
The reclamation project success that Oakland had was a result of Upsahw, Shell, Otto, Dalby, Mosebar, Lawrence, Marvin etc. NOT COACHING OR MONEY OR MYSTIQUE!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:51 am
You guys are retarded if you think they went easy on us. They didn’t.
They took what the D gave them. At one point in the game, it wasn’t a lot because D showed up. Pass rush better, CB play better w/ Adams. Tarver didn’t help them any.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Bcz… I’m just talking about this year with a branch…. I thought he was a ballerina before this season…. And again… I hope he played through it….. Maybe he needs more help… Somebody back there has been blowing coverages this year… Could be coaching…
December 7th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Huff TRIED to get out of town and NOBODY wanted him at veteran prices…should have told us all we needed to know, but Al hated admitting mistakes.
Huff needs to go back to safety for another team…
December 7th, 2012 at 11:52 am
fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:46 am
As far as Palmer throwing ints at critical times…. With this team when isn’t it a critical time?….I forget what the stat was but the Donks had the ball a lot longer than we did
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3 and outs don’t help either.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:52 am
799.Marks hair Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:50 am
When has branch ever made plays in coverage consistently or even once in awhile and he always takes bad angles to the ball I don’t care if you can tackle if he’s taking a bad angle
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Almost had a pick last night.
Branch has decent ball skills. Branch is a guy, much like Houston, that will look a lot better once we add some pieces and fire Tarver.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Lol… iPhone… Ballerinas should have been Baller… Spell check can screw ya
December 7th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Dmac… Dropped passes will get you lots of 3 and outs
December 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am
802.fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Bcz… I’m just talking about this year with a branch…. I thought he was a ballerina before this season…. And again… I hope he played through it….. Maybe he needs more help… Somebody back there has been blowing coverages this year… Could be coaching…
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I’s a mixture.
Burris has blown a TON of plays. I know he’s a blog hero, but he makes a lot of rookie mistakes.
Also, Tarver’s play calling is terrible.
He leaves these huge voids in the middle.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am
That Palmer trade really is killing us we need that top second round pick this year we certainly could have used a first round pick last year.. And clearly Palmer hasnt helped us win any games.. one of the best qb drafts in history and we gave up our pick…
December 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:49 am
was branch out the TB game? seem to remember him getting toasted or having martin run right by him a couple of times..maybe I’m getting confused..
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TB went right at Rolando and Giordanno.
Last night, Peyton went after Huff like six straight plays on opening drive.
Soon as Huff got hurt and Adams came in, we’re getting stops.
Huff must go. He’s put up 7 years of really bad tape.
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Huff needs 2 go!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Calm down little Mayonnaise guy you were the one talking about a mans balls on another mans face we all saw your homosexual tenancies and we wont tell your buds.
Like I said little man stay out of my post I know your attracted to me I may seem like a cool guy that you want to emulate but I am not one of your pillow biter buddies.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:55 am
COMMITMENT TO EXCREMENT.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:55 am
nycraider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Played to his Pay- great line and thats a big problem. Very few guys have earned their checks. Jano, Meyers, Reece, thats it in my book
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Don’t forget Houston
December 7th, 2012 at 11:55 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:52 am
799.Marks hair Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:50 am
When has branch ever made plays in coverage consistently or even once in awhile and he always takes bad angles to the ball I don’t care if you can tackle if he’s taking a bad angle
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Almost had a pick last night.
Branch has decent ball skills. Branch is a guy, much like Houston, that will look a lot better once we add some pieces and fire Tarver.
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Branch 4 Ints in 5 years..I guess he s no ed reed but at least he’s not bartell either
December 7th, 2012 at 11:56 am
La to the bay… I hear ya … You couldn’t get Tarver outta Oakland fast enough for me
December 7th, 2012 at 11:56 am
DMAC Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:55 am
nycraider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Played to his Pay- great line and thats a big problem. Very few guys have earned their checks. Jano, Meyers, Reece, thats it in my book
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Don’t forget Houston
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agreed..good call
December 7th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Manning chose Denver over San Francisco because Elway allowed Manning to be the offense of coordinator he designed the whole thing he would have had to learn the West Coast offense in San Francisco..
December 7th, 2012 at 11:57 am
dr_robert Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
19/30 273 yards 2 td’s 1 int
if pryor had that stat line, missdick would cream his pants.
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Excellent point indeed. About 20 people in here would be raving about how much better Pryor was than CP ever could be with those kind of number. Sadly, we’ll never see that irony because Pryor lacks the capacity to put those numbers up.
Funny thing is, as a passer Palmer outplayed Manning. The difference: Denver has a legit running game, so Manning only has to pass enough to complement and keep the defenses off balance. For the Raiders, after a quarter of watching DMac bash himself into the line beofre waiting for the holes to emerge, they are stuck in essentially pass only mode. The defenses know this. Manning would do no better in these same circumstances. But of course Pryor would … LOL
December 7th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Raider Mayne Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Some guys JUST WIN BABY ! Others just seem to always lose like Carson .He is better than Campbell for sure but not by much in the WINNING department…
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Name one Raider on offense that has played well all year? I’m not defending Carson’s mistakes but he is the only player on offense that has been better than average. Marcel and Streater have flashed potential…but that’s it.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Branch got embarrassed last night like he always does
December 7th, 2012 at 11:58 am
I feel for Allen, what with his dad and having to deal with this dumpster fire of a team. He shares responsibility though.
Allen seems like a guy that could turn things around like a Tom Cable but needs somebody to coach the offense. I think Allen could turn it around given another 2 years.
However, the fanbase is impatient, the owner is impatient and we have so many concerns off the field that are going to require us to get butts in the seats to even stay in Oakland.
Allen will probably get canned and it won’t be Reggie’s call.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Anyone fired, cut or off themselves after last night?
December 7th, 2012 at 11:59 am
I understand the frustration with Palmers ints…. When you lose they standout….. The Donks won last night so Mannings int went unnoticed
December 7th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Marks hair Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Manning chose Denver over San Francisco because Elway allowed Manning to be the offense of coordinator he designed the whole thing he would have had to learn the West Coast offense in San Francisco..
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You could be right, but at the end of the day, it’s all about the Benjamin’s baby!
December 7th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Name one Raider on offense that has played well all year? I’m not defending Carson’s mistakes but he is the only player on offense that has been better than average. Marcel and Streater have flashed potential…but that’s it.
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Myers.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Palmer sucks. He’s servicable and that’s it. Would need a stout O Line and WRs that catch and this and that but when it comes down to it, he’s just not clutch.
He’s been a warrior out there and put up a hell of a fight. Probably our best player on O throughout the year but that doesn’t say much.
I don’t fault Hue for the trade. It had to happen.
If nothing else, to validate the trade, you’d have to keep the O and HC from last year intact. We didn’t and this is the result.
We have to hit the reset button on a lot of positions. Coaches too.
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I hated that trade the day it happened. But I’d resigned myself to the idea Hue didn’t have a choice. I’ve changed my mind on that one. We should’ve given a 2nd to Philly for VY or just rolled with Boller. If Hue had gone all in behind Boller and put his exceptional offensive mind to work to make minimize his flaws and play to his strengths, he might have played well enough to give us a chance. But the trade was made and the absolute worst-case scenario has played out.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:59 am
I understand the frustration with Palmers ints…. When you lose they standout….. The Donks won last night so Mannings int went unnoticed
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Critical moments of the game.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Our blog reads like the blog of a losing team….
December 7th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Name one Raider on offense that has played well all year? I’m not defending Carson’s mistakes but he is the only player on offense that has been better than average. Marcel and Streater have flashed potential…but that’s it.
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Veldy has been pretty solid all season.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Dmac… We’re so bad all the moments are critical… We have no defense… Not much offense… Horrible special teams and not very good coaching…. That critical
December 7th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
I believe the TB game was when we decided to dub RoMac “The Matador”. Branch played, if I recall correctly.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
823.fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:59 am
I understand the frustration with Palmers ints…. When you lose they standout….. The Donks won last night so Mannings int went unnoticed
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Disagree, that gave us a ton of momentum. It got squandered again.
Also, out KR game has been Ofer since what’s his name was allowed to walk in FA.
Goodson trying to do too much and got us hemmed up inside the 10, which led to CP fumble.
Manning was good but not perfect last night. If CP doesn’t make those two critical errors, it might be a different game. As it often does, game outcome is tied to the turnover battle and the game of ‘hidden yards.’
December 7th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Dakota Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Anyone fired, cut or off themselves after last night?
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Last time I checked D’Antoni is still coaching the sorry ass Fakers.
lol
Go Dubs!
December 7th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Raider Mayne Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:49 am
I really think Fox took it easy on us last night.
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FOx and Manning did take it easy . Peyton felt sorry for us so they settled for Fg’s instead of TD’s so it would not embarress DA and friends. That’s how sad we are, when our division rivals FEEL SORRY for US!
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So you can ready people’s minds? Man, some of you really need to check yourselves.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
There was absolutely no reason for Palmer continuing to start the Browns game, or the Broncos game, and the reason for starting him continues to diminish each week that passes.
There’s nothing to be gained from it. Pryor ought to have been starting the Browns game thru to the end of the season.
That he hasn’t does not speak volumes about Pryor, but about Allen.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
The idea that carson some how deserves to continue playing is beyond laughable.
Look across the bay. A young qb that came into the nfl with just as many raw attributes as pryor has supplanted a very solid winning (now) qb on a wining team fresh off its trip to the conference championship and while in the hunt for a super bowl.
This points to the ineptitude in the way pryor has been handled by allen. he wasnt suited up, ther were no special p[lays for him all year. he didnt take any meaningful snaps in practice because lienart was the no. 2.
This was short sighted and and epic mismanagment of pryor. Now here we sit 3 games to go with a miserable 3-10 and pryor is just as raw as he was coming into the year!!!
He should have been prepped for a chance to start at th end of the year like kaprenic has been handled by harbaugh.
This should have been done as a precaution in case we were to end up where we have. that is a failure of the coaching staff to be forward thinking and proactive.
In fact pror wouldnt even dress if it wasn’t for davis and big mack dropping the hammer on allen.
If pryor does not play in the kc game allen should vbe fired before he leaves the field.
Not having pryor prepared or in the best positoin to succeed is enxcusable he is after all a 3rd round pick!!!
All of the other youngsters on the team are seeing significant playing time at the expense of veterans, why not pryor? even guys off the street have been on the field yet our 3rd round pick doesnt get a sniff?!?!
They better give him every single rep from here on out in practice and the game so he has at least a fair chance to show what he can do.
he will be a player that hasnt had many practice reps or any games snaps as the 3rd qb playing against defenders that have been starting all year?!?!?!
poorly done by allen
Why do moore & romac and bartell get benched for performance, yet carson has loused it up for six straight games unchallenged?!?!/!
This is the worst coaching i have ever seen.
art shell 2, at least had a good defense
callahan and the dumbest team in america could score points
mike white had a decent offense
hell even joe bugel had a decent offensive team
cable’s teams at least were competitive with crap players
allen is by far worse the worst of the bunch
December 7th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
DMAC was ineffective? Had runs of 36, 6, 6, 4, 2, 1, no gain, no gain, -1, and -3 for a net of 51 on 10 carries (5.1 YPC). The problem was his 10-yard run that was called back for holding — normally a 10-yard penalty and no play, but in this case, they gave him a yard at the spot of the hold so he ended up getting credit with for a carry for one yard on that play, bringing his total to 11 carries for 52 yards (4.7 ypc). He also had two receptions for 12 yards and a TD (the first reception resulted in a first down for the Raiders). So, 13 touches, he averages a full yard per carry better than Moreno, but he was not productive? Well, given the amount of limited touches, this is true. Out of his 11 carries, the no gainers and lost yardage plays were an obvious result of blocking breakdowns resulting in nowhere to run. What did Reece do — 4 carries for 10 yards?
Broncos came in with the league’s 3rd-best defense, DMAC had not played in a month, but he was productive with his 13 touches. The only mistake he made was not corraling that first quick pass outside the mike on the opening drive that looked like it might go for 20 yards or so. Other than that, he played well when given an opportunity.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
But the trade was made and the absolute worst-case scenario has played out.
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Agree.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Any turnover for this team at anytime is critical…. We’re a losing team…it’s never not critical
December 7th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
We’re not a losing team, we’re a hapless team. There’s an extra dose of futility in being hapless.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
The Donks went through our defense on the first drive like a hot knife through butter
December 7th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Name one Raider on offense that has played well all year? I’m not defending Carson’s mistakes but he is the only player on offense that has been better than average. Marcel and Streater have flashed potential…but that’s it.
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Palmer, Myers, Veldheer, Reece, have played well on offense. And Reece has been VERY limited. Please notice that there is NO rushing attack. When you have NO rushing attack, it is a big problem to play QB.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
837.Sir Dennis Eeatin-Hog Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
DMAC was ineffective? Had runs of 36, 6, 6, 4, 2, 1, no gain, no gain, -1, and -3 for a net of 51 on 10 carries (5.1 YPC). The problem was his 10-yard run that was called back for holding — normally a 10-yard penalty and no play, but in this case, they gave him a yard at the spot of the hold so he ended up getting credit with for a carry for one yard on that play, bringing his total to 11 carries for 52 yards (4.7 ypc). He also had two receptions for 12 yards and a TD (the first reception resulted in a first down for the Raiders). So, 13 touches, he averages a full yard per carry better than Moreno, but he was not productive? Well, given the amount of limited touches, this is true. Out of his 11 carries, the no gainers and lost yardage plays were an obvious result of blocking breakdowns resulting in nowhere to run. What did Reece do — 4 carries for 10 yards?
Broncos came in with the league’s 3rd-best defense, DMAC had not played in a month, but he was productive with his 13 touches. The only mistake he made was not corraling that first quick pass outside the mike on the opening drive that looked like it might go for 20 yards or so. Other than that, he played well when given an opportunity.
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All 100% correct.
And then he got injured again.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
840.papertiger418 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
We’re not a losing team, we’re a hapless team. There’s an extra dose of futility in being hapless.
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LOL
December 7th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Papertiger….. Ok…. We’re a hapless losing team …. I agree lol
December 7th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
“Funny thing is, as a passer Palmer outplayed Manning. The difference: Denver has a legit running game, so Manning only has to pass enough to complement and keep the defenses off balance. For the Raiders, after a quarter of watching DMac bash himself into the line beofre waiting for the holes to emerge, they are stuck in essentially pass only mode. The defenses know this. Manning would do no better in these same circumstances. But of course Pryor would … LOL”
This is a man who has a high football IQ you feeble minded tards might want to listen up!
December 7th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
The Donks went through our defense on the first drive like a hot knife through butter
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I have seen that alot with both good coordinators and good defenses. A team will come right down the field and score, and then not do a lot after that. We had some shades of that last night. We did do somethings that had them confused. Just not enough horses to compete in this league at this time.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
How bout ” pitiful hapless losing team?
December 7th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:46 am
As far as Palmer throwing ints at critical times…. With this team when isn’t it a critical time?….I forget what the stat was but the Donks had the ball a lot longer than we did….I believe their we’re at least 3 drops that Palmer put right on the numbers or right in the hands of receivers last night…. MCFadden dropped one the cost them a huge gain
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so what if the wr’s dropped passes, the bronco defenders also dropped 3 palmer passes
Palmers god awful redzone pick and fumbling near our own goal line killed this game. A game where the defense actually played well enough to keep the score halfway respectable.
palmer stinks and every one knows it…….now
December 7th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
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December 7th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
I think you would be hard pressed to sit a guy, even in a losing season, that comes to work everyday, battles for 60 min even when down by 30, and has put up 22 TD and 3500 yards.
That being said, most important function of a coach is to decide who gives you the best shot at winning.
I don’t think it’s CP anymore.
I’m patient enough. I think we see Pryor before the season is done.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
CP3 is average. Thats all.
Should he get all the blame? No
But he certainly doesn’t get a free pass.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
so what if the wr’s dropped passes, the bronco defenders also dropped 3 palmer passes
Palmers god awful redzone pick and fumbling near our own goal line killed this game. A game where the defense actually played well enough to keep the score halfway respectable.
palmer stinks and every one knows it…….now
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Yup.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Seymour bush… Agree… We don’t have the horses to make stops !on a Consistent basis …. They did hold the Donks to a couple FGs … Surprised me
December 7th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Name one Raider on offense that has played well all year? I’m not defending Carson’s mistakes but he is the only player on offense that has been better than average. Marcel and Streater have flashed potential…but that’s it.
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Myers.
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Ok but I remember Myers dropping a few TD’s that Carson placed right in his hands. So nobody on the Raiders offense has played well consistently. Does anyone really think we would have won more than 3 games with Leinart at QB with our O-line and idiot OC. Most of our scores are when Carson is running the no huddle anyway.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Palmers god awful redzone pick and fumbling near our own goal line killed this game. A game where the defense actually played well enough to keep the score halfway respectable.
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I agree
December 7th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
There was absolutely no reason for Palmer continuing to start the Browns game, or the Broncos game, and the reason for starting him continues to diminish each week that passes.
There’s nothing to be gained from it. Pryor ought to have been starting the Browns game thru to the end of the season.
That he hasn’t does not speak volumes about Pryor, but about Allen.
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Uh, last time I looked, the job of the Head Coach was to put his best players out there and put them in a position to win games. Maybe the reason Pryor isn’t out there is because he is number three on the depth chart and not very good. So maybe you have been at all the practices and you have seen Pryor just rip it up. Or maybe you talk to all the players all the time and hear them just RAVE about Pryor. Or maybe you have no idea what you are talking about.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
I’m also lol’ing at all the JG2013 breaking inside reports. The guy flips more times than a roadside diner pancake. Even if he did talk with anyone, they’re likely to sell him BS knowing he blabs in blogs about anything he’s told.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
It may sound insane, but I think Lienart is worth a look too.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
So what if the receivers dropped passes?…. Here’s what… That means Palmer has to throw again… And drives stop and ints become more likely….. We also had a few drops of manning passes… Remember those…. At least two
December 7th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
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December 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
We’ve got to see TP play. I respect Palmer and appreciate what he brings to the team but last night i saw him consistently deliver the ball late and it cost us time and again. He is decent but he’s too vulnerable to a strong pass rush. TP can move around and make plays with his feet and that’s what we need right now
December 7th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
DMAC Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Palmers god awful redzone pick and fumbling near our own goal line killed this game. A game where the defense actually played well enough to keep the score halfway respectable.
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I agree
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True… but O-line deserves some of the blame on the Carson fumble as well…they were on skates. I bet Brady, Brees or Manning would have fumbled on that play as well.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
La to the bay…. I’m up for looking at anybody now…
December 7th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Lets see what Pryor can do…. Might find a gem … Never know
December 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
PALMER HAS 12 TURNOVERS IN THIS 6 GAME LOSING STREAK HOW CAN ANYONE EXCUSE HIM?!?!?!
Palmer has been one of the worst raider qbs in history.
7-16 37 turnovers?!?!?!
Most of his supporters are afraid to show up in here today, i dont blame them.
I at least have respect for a few of the former worshipers that have finally admitted that palmer stinks out loud.
I knew this was going to happen….sigh
December 7th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Marks hair Says: Wow everytime I talk into this phone it hears everything wrong==================================
Thumb typing and auto correct make for some funny typos, but you had me wondering with ‘a value 8′.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Palmer has been one of the worst raider qbs in history.
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But he has all those Yards and is about to break Gannons record . And also look at that QB rating its in the top ten ! WHo cares about WINNING ??? LOL
December 7th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Press conference in 30 min. Horrible November. Even worse December.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
So what if the receivers dropped passes?…. Here’s what… That means Palmer has to throw again… And drives stop and ints become more likely….. We also had a few drops of manning passes… Remember those…. At least two
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Great post, again not excusing Carson’s picks but…few QB’s in the NFL can go without a pick when your OC is running 30% of the time and a crappy Oline. Lets see what he would look like behind a decent O-line, with a solid #1 WR and non idiot as an OC.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
You guys can make any assertion about the head coach not being the right guy – I agree – And lack of this player or that, or better yet – Whether or not Terrelle Pryor is allowed to play this year. In my opinion, based on next year’s schedule which is daunting to say the least, Coach Allen and Knapp won’t be here because this team has regressed at an unfathomable rate and this business is about winning and putting rearends in the seats. This team needs a true leader of men that can connect with his players. Last night’s game, with a national tv audience spoke volumes of how the team felt about their coach and his recent family lost and the Hall of Famers in the house. They had nothing in their emotional tanks beginning with the first drive. That told it all. Next year’s schedule starting with the away games: Houston, Indianapolis,Dallas, New York Giants, an AFC East opponent, Denver, Kansas City, and San Diego. home games: Jacksonville, Tennessee, Philadelphia, Washington, an AFC North opponent,Denver, Kansas City, and San Diego.
Based on what we have witnessed this season – Do you think with the present coaching staff, the team as we know it, will have any success next year with that schedule? I don’t think so. Coach Allen and his staff have been outcoached in every game – And this problem is not going away by cutting a few guys for salary cap reasons, signing a few free agents, and playing of few unproven draft choices. None of the players on the current roster is a leader – Every good team has one or two guys that get in the face of an individual that is not bringing his “A” game. And if that team does not have those individuals – They have a coach like New England, Pittsburgh, or the New York Giants – They have leaders of men. We don’t have that in Oakland and have not had it in 10 years. Until that problem gets addressed, we will continue to be the laughingstock of the NFL. This is not just about a few new players and hiring “my guy” – This about hiring the RIGHT GUY and not hitching your wagon to some guy that looks like a deer in the headlights that repeats the same line after each embarrassing lost – “We have to play better.” Oakland Raider fans deserve better than that. Peace.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:17 am
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December 8th, 2012 at 10:07 am
can we please put a mirror under dennis allen’s nose to see if he is alive and real….i mean this guy gets blown out of every game, and has the same lame ass nonsense in his press conference….i just wish one of the reporters would ask him some real questions…..like do you think your oc sucks, because every time he calls the plays it results ina 3 and out, and every time caron goes to a no huddle we march right down the field.