McDonald grades the Raiders off Broncos game
By Steve Corkran
Friday, December 7th, 2012 at 12:11 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Beat writer Jerry McDonald graded the Raiders off their performance against the Denver Broncos in a 26-13 loss at the Coliseum. Here are McDonald’s grades and comments:
Pass offense
Consecutive passes in the first quarter illustrated the maddening inconsistency of quarterback Carson Palmer (19-for-30, 273 yards, 2 TDs, 1 interception). The first was a perfect 58-yard rainbow to wide receiver Rod Streater. The follow-up was forced to tight end Brandon Myers, sandwiched in bracket coverage. Champ Bailey picked it off in the end zone. Carson giveth, Carson taketh away.
Grade: C
Run offense
The good — Darren McFadden broke loose on a 36-yard run on the first play of the second half, the longest run against the Broncos this season by 12 yards. The bad — the Raiders had two rushing first downs and gained 25 yards on the 15 other runs from scrimmage in the game.
Grade: D
Pass defense
Peyton Manning was 26 of 36 for 310 yards and one touchdown and made some throws that were simply impossible to defend. Three sacks thwarted deep Denver penentration and the Broncos were forced to settle for field goals. Phillip Adams had a diving interception to stop another threat. But there were too many third-down failures.
Grade: C
Run defense
The Broncos had enough control of the game to stay persistent with the run and finished with 140 yards, but they had to work for it with 39 rushes. Knowshon Moreno had 119 yards on 32 carries and scored on a 1-yard run. Andre Carter and Mike Mitchell had tackles for losses on running plays.
Grade: C-plus
Special teams
Mike Goodson’s decision to bring out a kickoff 8 yards deep in the end zone backfired as he was dropped at the 8-yard line. A sack-fumble a short time later swung the game Denver’s way for good. Shane Lechler placed three of his five punts inside the 20-yard line and had a 43.4 net. Denarius Moore gained 8 yards on his only punt return.
Grade: C
Coaching
Curious decision by the Raiders to defer after winning the coin toss, giving Manning the ball to start the game. The Broncos immediately marched 68 yards for a touchdown to start the game, their only extended touchdown drive. The Raiders ended up opening second half with possession while down 13-7 — validating coach Dennis Allen’s decision — but they couldn’t capitalize. Not a lot of issues with strategy, play-calling or emotion. Problems mostly rested with an inferior team.
Grade: B-minus
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December 7th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
We will win again
December 7th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
There was absolutely no reason for Palmer continuing to start the Browns game, or the Broncos game, and the reason for starting him continues to diminish each week that passes.
There’s nothing to be gained from it. Pryor ought to have been starting the Browns game thru to the end of the season.
That he hasn’t does not speak volumes about Pryor, but about Allen.
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Uh, last time I looked, the job of the Head Coach was to put his best players out there and put them in a position to win games. Maybe the reason Pryor isn’t out there is because he is number three on the depth chart and not very good. So maybe you have been at all the practices and you have seen Pryor just rip it up. Or maybe you talk to all the players all the time and hear them just RAVE about Pryor. Or maybe you have no idea what you are talking about.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
2 Chainz!
December 7th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
F minus
December 7th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
It may sound insane, but I think Matt might be worth a look too.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
B-….lmao…b-…now I know why he is a writer…b-…lmao
December 7th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Z minus in all categories
December 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Run offense
The good — Darren McFadden broke loose on a 36-yard run on the first play of the second half, the longest run against the Broncos this season by 12 yards. The bad — the Raiders had two rushing first downs and gained 25 yards on the 15 other runs from scrimmage in the game.
Grade: D
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The job of a defense is to make an offense “one dimensional”. If you know what is coming it is infinitely easier to defend. When you go INTO a game unable to run, that is a BIG problem.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
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December 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
#2 see this…
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Here’s a thing on Pryor.
We talk about him not having a chance at success due to his not being good in practice, but flip it for a second and look at all the players that DID look good at practice and what they’ve done on the field.
When you’re 3-10 EVERYTHING you are doing as an organization is up for debate and questionable.
I don’t know how we can trust the coaching staff to know which players are best to be suited up.
This is the same staff that basically put Reece on ice and continue to do so. He gets on the field due to injury and BOOM…makes an impact.
My point is coaches are WRONG sometimes. These same coaches said this was a playoff team so how can we trust these guys to know the right thing to do all the time? We can’t.
When a staff trots out a 3-10 team that is getting shellacked at every turn my trust in that staff..that they know the right thing to do… is very thin.
It makes no sense that they wouldn’t wanna play Pryor and at least see what he can do in a real game. If he fails miserably..he fails miserably. AT this point in the season who cares. Does it make a huge difference if we might have won a game with Palmer or not by putting Pryor in?
They can’t act like they know anything about what it really takes to win if they haven’t proven they can put a team in a situation where they actually DO win.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
I’m also lol’ing at all the JG2013 breaking inside reports. The guy flips more times than a roadside diner pancake. Even if he did talk with anyone, they’re likely to sell him BS knowing he blabs in blogs about anything he’s told.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
It may sound insane, but I think Matt might be worth a look too.
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We know what Leinert can do.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
It may sound insane, but I think Matt might be worth a look too.
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We know what Leinert can do.
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No more QB’s from USC!
They are losers!
December 7th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
McFadden re-injured his ankle?
Even I am getting annoyed.
Fk
December 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Example of JG2013…
Post-Saints I was expanding on the possibility of Gruden returning, and why it makes sense, etc. JG2013 was posting how that’s nonsense and he’s heard it direct from his ’sources’ that its not happening.
Then when the rumor gets some fuel via the PFW article, JG2013 is on here expanding on how it’s a done deal, he’s heard it from ’sources’ etc.
Then when the rumor got shot down, JG2013 was on here expanding on how it’s not happening, he’s heard it from ’sources’ etc.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
B-..,cracks me up..,still laughing
December 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Brahs, I just realized I can’t get down with 2K4S without my classic full body tan
Man that would’ve been totally embarrassing, shout out to Rick Ross
So just slathered on some Volcanic Eruption 2500 Tanning Cream and will enjoy a daiquiri on my bean bag while it works its magic
In 20 minutes I’ll have the perfectly bronzed abs that no tween babe can resist
I wish I could take credit for being this amazing, but all praise goes to the USA
BOW DOWN TO MOTHER LIBERTY, WORK YOUR MAGIC, GIRL
December 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Pretty generous grades IMO …
December 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Last season we overachieved.
This season we underachieved.
We have regressed in all categories.
DA must go!
HC – Shaw
OC – Norv
DC – Romeo
December 7th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Last year, coaches got the most out of players.
This year, well…
December 7th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Cork giving the Coaches a B minus is an absolute joke.
He must enjoy carrying DA’s water and Reggie’s Lunch Bag.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
PALMER HAS 12 TURNOVERS IN THIS 6 GAME LOSING STREAK HOW CAN ANYONE EXCUSE HIM?!?!?!
Palmer has been one of the worst raider qbs in history.
7-16 37 turnovers?!?!?!
Most of his supporters are afraid to show up in here today, i dont blame them.
I at least have respect for a few of the former worshipers that have finally admitted that palmer stinks out loud.
I knew this was going to happen….sigh
December 7th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
As far as the Gruden thing.
It make sense from a business syandpoint. Would be just as important off the field as on field. Maybe more.
Would attract quality coaches and free agents.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Yo, any of you Dorks ever put too much volcanic tanning cream on your weiner and have to stick it in a frozen daiquiri to soothe the burn
Just asking, my friend is having that problem now
December 7th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Thursday they said MCFadden was making cuts and running well….. Sheesh…. Frustrating
December 7th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Will add that the fact Pryor continues to be activated for packages of plays is an indication that the staff DO like Pryor and are keen on developing him. It’s just that Knapp/Allen are notorious for being incredibly slow with change, with creativity, with utilizing players, move at a snails pace with everything.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
25.fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Thursday they said MCFadden was making cuts and running well….. Sheesh…. Frustrating
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Nah, he was not 100%. Go back and look at his 36 yarder. Healthy DMC houses that.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Im sorry but i dont see how throwing for 3500 yards means anything at all when you are 3-10.
Palmer this year has 22 td 19 turn overs
There is nothing ….and i mean nothing special , outstanding or even good about these numbers. These pathetic otals do not in any way justify playing palmer over pryor for even one more snap.
In fact it is down right below average.
I can only imagine the heat that jc or pryor would take for posting these numbers.
palmer is toast…send his azz to the bench already
December 7th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Pryor will see action.
Most likely week 17.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Im sorry but i dont see how throwing for 3500 yards means anything at all when you are 3-10.
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Cause he’s been a work horse. What message do you send to your players when one of your hardest workers is benched for a 3rd stringer?
But again, as a coach — who gives you the best chance to win? Anymore, I don’t know if it’s Palmer.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
TP6 must play against the Queefs.
Why?
We need to see what he has to offer in a real game.
We’re evaluating players for next season. Why else would you keep a young QB on the roster, if you don’t think he can play?
If we lose, who the fk cares, we suck anyways and we’ll get closer to getting a higher draft pick.
If we win, you people that want DA back can at least say you swept the Queefs in 2012.
lol
The best possible thing DA could do for this team and the fans is see what TP6 has to offer.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Knapp and his “chasing points” game plan doesn’t allow for the run game to get established once it’s been bottled up a few times. Got to stick with it regardless and yet, week after week, he goes pass happy and risks turnovers instead of punts, which all come back to “not valuing field position”…Knapp deserves a bus ride out of town w/ DA stowed away underneath the bus in the cargo hold…
December 7th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
gannon didn’t come around till later in his career, maybe leinert comes around maybe he doesn’t. looked good in very limited action with the texans looked good in preseason why not give him some run. Pryor def needs to get some run. If one of these can replace CP that’d be a good contract to get rid of, he’s obviously not an elite. Might be the best we have, and there might not be a better one in free agency, let’s find out
December 7th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
“Im sorry but i dont see how throwing for 3500 yards means anything at all when you are 3-10.”
Unless your name is Cam Newton then it means something!!!
Gotcha!
December 7th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Marks hair Says: Wow everytime I talk into this phone it hears everything wrong==================================
Thumb typing and auto correct make for some funny typos, but you had me wondering with ‘a value 8′.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
32.VanHeathen30 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Knapp and his “chasing points” game plan doesn’t allow for the run game to get established once it’s been bottled up a few times. Got to stick with it regardless and yet, week after week, he goes pass happy and risks turnovers instead of punts, which all come back to “not valuing field position”…Knapp deserves a bus ride out of town w/ DA stowed away underneath the bus in the cargo hold…
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Coaches should all get thrown in the Bay.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Don’t think DA cares about his message to he players…
Guy has been all over the place in these first 13 games.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
“Im sorry but i dont see how throwing for 3500 yards means anything at all when you are 3-10.”
Unless your name is Cam Newton then it means you are “Revolutionizing” the game of football!
December 7th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
33.inonewordraider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
gannon didn’t come around till later in his career, maybe leinert comes around maybe he doesn’t. looked good in very limited action with the texans looked good in preseason why not give him some run. Pryor def needs to get some run. If one of these can replace CP that’d be a good contract to get rid of, he’s obviously not an elite. Might be the best we have, and there might not be a better one in free agency, let’s find out
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Exactly.
I mean why not?
I know Reg didn’t want to have to worry about QB, at least in 2013.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I’m all for starting Pryor against the Chiefs….. Lets see whats there..
December 7th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Knapp ran one misdirection play.
We scored a touchdown.
So he never ran another one.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
35….. I typed ” baller”… My spell check typed ballerina …lol
December 7th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Later peoples!
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears!
Go Raiders! (DA must go!)
December 7th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
“Im sorry but i dont see how throwing for 3500 yards means anything at all when you are 3-10.”
Unless your name is Cam Newton then it means you this is a new era of QB’s!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
41.Kirk Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Knapp ran one misdirection play.
We scored a touchdown.
So he never ran another one.
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2.
Other one was a nice gain.
Noticed the same thing though.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Good to see Jack Del Rio on the sideline in the Coliseum, too bad it was the visitors side…wanted him to come in and be the HC before Mumbles hired Sparky.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
I fear Reggie/Allen because it wouldn’t surprise me to see them looking to trade Marcel Reece and bring up Jamize Olawale as ‘their’ guy.
Looking to trade Moore, DHB, McFadden, Veldheer, Wisniewski, Houston, Branch, Huff, Bryant, Shaughnessy, for all their own.
Regressed, hoodwink others into thinking Al’s players were all bad and make people think to be happy to see the back of them for the better hardworking christian mediocre players they want to bring in instead.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
“I’m all for starting Pryor against the Chiefs….. Lets see whats there..”
Me too just to shut everyone in here up for a minute!
December 7th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
48… Was thinking the something
December 7th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Samething
December 7th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
At this rate, book Reggie taking Matt Barkley in the first round, because he’s mediocre, and has good christian faith etc. 2013 will get worse than 2012 if this regime is given a vote of confidence by Mark Davis to continue rebuilding under their ‘vision’.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
So far Allen’s ” vision” hasn’t impressed me … Or by the looks of this blog anyone else
December 7th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Brahs, my buddy just discovered he also – he he – got some volcanic tanning cream on his nads and burned off most of his pubes
What an idiot, huh dudes
Anyway he’s now trying to calm his nerves in the jacuzzi then will call a babe from Spearmint Rhino to give him an emergency salad toss
Guess that’s why they call it the blues
December 7th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Knapp and Tarver have impressed me less than Allen has… Pretty bad
December 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Reggie’s vision is clearly that of a retired NFL Linebacker who rammed his head into other humans for 10 years and has blurry vision…
It’s going to be Marks selection of Reggie that keepsmthisnteam from rebuilding anything.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
You know whats so funny about it is that everyone here on this blog (who by the way has not seen one practice this year) seems to know more than the coaches front office and experts who have seen every practice this season.
That’s what makes me laugh so hard at the retardation in here.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Don’t be surprised when Reggie/Allen grade Briesel as someone they’re impressed with and him having a roster spot sealed…..simply because they brought him in. That’s how myopically agenda-driven this regime is.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
“Im sorry but i dont see how throwing for 3500 yards means anything at all when you are 3-10.”
Unless your name is Cam Newton then it means something!!!
Gotcha!
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wrong his name could have been joe blow to post those numbers and every other rookie qb record he set is phenomenal.
Palmer is a sad sack 10 year loser, they dont compare at all
December 7th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Not sure why Mark hired Reggie with so many qualified GM’s right here that would work for peanuts!
December 7th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
“Im sorry but i dont see how throwing for 3500 yards means anything at all when you are 3-10.”
Unless your name is Cam Newton then it means you are REVOLUTIONIZING” the league!
LMAO at you
December 7th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Due to Matk’s Lack of ANY IDEA HOW TO RUN A FRANCHISE, He gave Reggie Carte Blanche to make wholesale changes to the entire org chart, and now we have No Idea who is capable and who isn’t…but Raliegh got himself an NFL Paycheck, as did a whole bunch of Reggie’s other friends. same thing DA did with the coaching staff and that is an undeniable disaster…this isn’t working out with Reggie, Mark probably knows, but can’t afford the hit financially or around the league to change it out anytime soon…
December 7th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
#56…
Book it, and come back to me. IF IF Mark returns this regime in 2013, you watch what they do in the off-season…they’ll look to trade all those players simply because of, and sell BS to the fans about how Briesel has impressed them on film. Then you’ll see that agenda-driving.
How many times do you read certain beat writers continuing to excuse reggie/allen, and always using the phrase of how this regime was lumped with Al Davis mistakes that they’re trying to correct and to give them 2-3 years to fix. It’s because they’re being shills for this regime, spreading that message to herd them into the pack.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
GG. It’s soo painfully obvious what Reggie has done…my only hope is that amy talks some sense into (the guy from dumb and dumber) mark…this Is hurting your business. 3-13….fvck!
December 7th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Ok, straight up. The firing of HueJax made the Palmer trade look worse than what it should have been. Hue woulda built a team around Palmers strengths, and McFaddens’ too. But trigger happy Reggie fired Hue (bad bad move) and the rest is history.
Palmer needed HueJax (like Montana/Walsh, Brady/Buttacheck, Manning/Coughlin, Plunkett/Florres, you get the point)
Firing HueJax was not good for Palmer. Hue should have been allowed the off season to build HIS team, obtain a legit DC and keep Bush. But no, we threw it in the ditch. Trashed it to the garbage heap. Spit on it. Say what you want, the firing of HueJax was Palmers undoing. Bad, bad, bad move by Reggie. It is abundantly clear and evident. Peace out y’all.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Wanting to stick with DA ahead of possibly bringing back Gruden is like the Niners sticking with Singletary ahead of Harbaugh!
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Ding DING DING.. We have a winner! exactly
December 7th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Andrew Brandt@adbrandt
Carson Palmer trade quite a heist. Mike Brown took advantage of a team w/no GM and a desperate coach..who now works for Brown.
Retweeted by Vic Tafur
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Lisa Diaz@vaya_con_Diaz
Palmer always turns the ball over rightttt when we have hope. I always defend him but I’m starting to see a trend…
Retweeted by Vic Tafur
December 7th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Mark: didn’t value 1st round picks, signed off on CP Deal.
Reggie: doesn’t value Al’s picks.
DA: doesn’t value field position
Knapp: doesn’t value the running game…
All this leads to a WORTHLESS team on Sundays that has a roster full of guys with ZERO Value around the league….PATHETIC
December 7th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Well it seems the only raider highlights this week will be espns Bo special…
December 7th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
WOW another game where the RAIDERS DIDNT EVEN BOTHER TO SHOW up.. NO EMOTION, NO DIRECTION on OFFENSE.. just like a sandlot pickup game.
A house full of hall of famers and it was zero emotion. Sorry howie long, and Rod woodson even had to watch that.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
It’s been apparent all year that Reggie loves Allen and Allen loves Knapp and Tarver. They’ve all been backing each other after every week of the season, saying how they’re happy with their hires, about staying the course etc.
Those guys are incredibly conservative and too proud to admit mistake and make change. How long did you hear Allen refusing to say Knapp was a problem, but that he’s happy with him and that the problem was the players. It took a near mutiny by the offensive players to force Knapp to adjust mid-year and include PBS. Reggie has been sold on Allen from the start, and his MO has been evident getting rid of Raider staff all for his own, even if they were working, he just wanted his own. And he’s very methodical and committed to his own decisions. He will not fire Allen, and Allen will not fire Knapp/Tarver. This regime is blowing up the organization and Mark is either on board, or he’s been hoodwinked a bit, or late to realize what’s going on and is also concerned.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
DA doesn’t value winning…(it’s his it factor)
December 7th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
GG
I am not sold on the GM or HC just yet but I am not willing to judge them just yet either.
I was not talking about you when I said there were a lot of GM’s here you seem to always have valid points and posts that are a good read.
This regime inherited a bag of shlt and I think we can all give RM a couple of drafts before we start busting his chops.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Greg Papa just questioned the coaching staff. When raides were on the 8 yard line.. why did they have a spread formation.. and marcel reece on the opposite side.
They had VON MILLER going one on one with Khalif barnes and NO HELP near the goaline. Said it was a bad coaching error. Raiders are constantly being outcoached
December 7th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
“Im sorry but i dont see how throwing for 3500 yards means anything at all when you are 3-10.”
Unless your name is Cam Newton then it means you are REVOLUTIONIZING” the league!
LMAO at you
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1. why bring up newton when we are talking about palmer
2. newton set and broke records setting the bar in a league that has been around for more than 90 years
3. here is a list of what Cam has accomplished….and yes it is revolutionizing the nfl
2nd most passing yards by a rookie in a game (432), September 18, 2011 vs. Green Bay Packers[62]
Most passing yards by a rookie in a season (4,051), 2011
First rookie in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in back to back games, September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 vs. Green Bay Packers[62]
First rookie in NFL history to throw for 10 touchdowns and run for 10 touchdowns in a season.
First rookie quarterback to throw for 4,000 yards in a season.
Third most pass TDs (21) in a rookie season.
Most total touchdowns by a rookie NFL player: 35 (21 pass, 14 rush).
2nd most rushing yards by a rookie quarterback: 706
Most rushing touchdowns in a single season by a quarterback: 14
Along with Andy Dalton, the two make the first pair of rookie QB’s to make the Pro Bowl
Records
Most passing yards by a quarterback in debut game (422), September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals
Most passing yards by a quarterback in first two games (854), September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 vs Green Bay Packers[63]
First quarterback in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in first career start, September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals
Sixth quarterback to throw for 400+ yards in back to back games
First quarterback in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in first two career starts, September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 vs. Green Bay Packers[62]
Fastest player to throw for 1,000 yards (at Arizona Cardinals, vs Green Bay Packers, and vs Jacksonville Jaguars).
First player in NFL history with at least five rushing touchdowns and five passing touchdowns in his first five games[64]
Most rushing touchdowns in single season by a quarterback (14), achieved on December 4, 2011 vs Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Second player in NFL history with 20+ pass TDs and 10+ rush TDs in a season, Joining Kordell Stewart (’97).
First player in NFL history with 4,000+ pass yards and 10+ rush TDs in a season.
First player in NFL history with 4,000+ pass yards and 500+ rush yards in a season.
Had a passing touchdown and a rushing touchdown in the same game eight times, tying the NFL single-season record – previously. accomplished by Steve Grogan of the New England Patriots in 1976 and Daunte Culpepper of the Minnesota Vikings in 2002.
25th NFL player to have 20 rushing TD’s in first two seasons (First QB Ever to do it)
1st QB in NFL history with at least 500 yards rushing in first two seasons.
Carolina Panthers franchise records
Rookie quarterback records: completions (310), yards (4,051), passing touchdowns (21), completion percentage (60%), passer rating (84.5).
Franchise rushing record with an average of 5.60 yards per carry.
Longest offensive scoring play (91) to Brandon LaFell, December 24, 2011 vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Second rookie to make Pro Bowl, Steve Smith in ‘01
First Panther to win AP Offensive Rookie of the Year.
do you notice how many times the word ‘first” and “most” appear?
Why would you continue to embarrass yourself by bring up newton as a counter to palmer criticism.
Lol ….your turn
December 7th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
15.GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Example of JG2013…
Post-Saints I was expanding on the possibility of Gruden returning, and why it makes sense, etc. JG2013 was posting how that’s nonsense and he’s heard it direct from his ’sources’ that its not happening.
Then when the rumor gets some fuel via the PFW article, JG2013 is on here expanding on how it’s a done deal, he’s heard it from ’sources’ etc.
Then when the rumor got shot down, JG2013 was on here expanding on how it’s not happening, he’s heard it from ’sources’ etc.
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I posted this earlier that Hub Arkush is STILL saying Gruden is in play in Oakland.
I know there’s been a few calling him a no name hack etc. but the guy..at least up till now has had a very good rep around the league. He’s been a very credible insider. Heck, he has a Heisman trophy vote.
I was passing along what I heard AGAIN from him this morning on the radio.
It’s weird that Gruden coming to Oakland is almost getting more fan interest in Chicago than the Bay Area. Probably the reason is it’s Hub Arkush; who is very well known and respected in Chicago.
I sincerely doubt that he would risk his reputation on some baseless rumor.
I thought after the strong denial from Raiders that this would end and Hub would issue his apology or his “my bad” i was wrong and I apologize to DA and his family but he is just as convinced as he was earlier in the week and is standing by his story.
Hub STRONGLY stated he is 100% CERTAIN a meeting took place with Mark Davis and Gruden to talk about coming to Oakland. He also stated that Gruden is “playing NFL teams against each other” at this point. He added that he is 100% CERTAIN Gruden will be back coaching in the NFL next season. He added that even though other teams are interested in Gruden he feels Oakland is the best fit and his “sources” say they think it will be Oakland at the end of the day.
So, no backing off from this story like I thought would happen.
I assume we won’t hear anything more about this till the season is over but who knows.
The 100% CERTAIN part of the story is what I find most interesting and I (like a few others here) might dismiss this whole thing if it were some hack goober we never heard of, but 100% CERTAIN is pretty strong.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Victor Cotto@cottovic
Yes, from what sources say, Seymour done & team happy to see this year end & see him in final days as #Raiders. Not a leader nor example.
Victor Cotto@cottovic
#Raiders McKenzie questioned by other front office staffers on why they haven’t cut Seymour yet. Richard with no rush to get back on field.
Victor Cotto@cottovic
#Raiders Seymour will preach, talk to team & young players, but otherwise, not example you want because he doesn’t bring it #TalksTalkNoWalk
December 7th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
If Reggie doesn’t fire Allen, Allen won’t fire Knapp/Tarver. They’ll be here in 2013. And watch-out in the off-season for…
– Briesel given a roster spot.
– Reece, McFadden, DHB, Moore, Veldheer, Wisniewski, Houston, Bryant, Shaughnessy, Huff, Branch all on the trade block.
– Jones, Pryor, Mitchell, Chekwa, etc, all to be released.
The MO is there. Reggie got rid of holdover Al staff entirely, even if they were good at their job. They got rid of Rod Woodson, Wisniewski and many other position coaches that were holdovers and were doing fine.
December 7th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Rumor becoming Reality right now!! Is it me or does it seem REALLY QUIET in OAKLAND!!
December 7th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
“WOW another game where the RAIDERS DIDNT EVEN BOTHER TO SHOW up”
You didn’t see that goal line stance?
You didn’t see us hold Peyton manning to 4 FG’s in the red zone.
You didn’t see the RB rip off any long runs last night did you?
I saw some guys playing hard last night Houston, Adams, Bryant, Burris, Streater to name a few that had a good game I saw progress last night albeit a small amount of progress
December 7th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Reggie will either show that he doesn’t have his head up his azz and there will be changes to the coordinators on DA’s Staff, or Reggie will let it ride, and then we will know Reggie is a failed GM who is too stubborn to admit a mistake.
The answers will come soon enough.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I say WORD, you aint never told a lie, you aint never told no lie!
December 7th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Once we get the larger field of the CFL, points will come a lot easier. A few more quick bodies on defense and the Raiders will have a shot at the Grey Cup next season. That is if they can get past the Argos.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
sb666
when palmer does anything remotely close to what cam has achieved in 1 plus season of football let me know
December 7th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
“Lol ….your turn”
9-19 LMFAO the only stat that matters.
Checkmate!
December 7th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
#72…it’s ok, and thanks for your nice words.
I like Reggie, willing to give him another 3-5 years. And realistically he will be given that. But I fear there’s that MO there, and that he’s a bit of a snake in the grass in this regard. He signed off on Allen, the Knapp hire, the schematic changes, and sat back apparently “all systems go” during November, until Mark stepped in to say something.
Reggie must take full blame for this mess like Al had to take blame for his messes. But the MO of entirely stripping this roster of Al holdover players/coaches/staff is there, and that’s what I fear will cause long-term damage, more seasons of 3-13 to 5-11.
And it’s just bad timing too because we do have talent, we were on the brink with just a few tweaks, and we are in need of a new stadium and trying to excite fans to sell out the games.
Mark as a rookie owner has made a mistake. Learning on the job. Reggie has made mistakes as a rookie GM. Allen has made mistakes as a rookie HC. It’s genuinely going to take 5 years to rebuild because it’s going to take these guys that long to learn on the job and get better at it.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Palmer has led a team to the playoffs call me when Cam does that!
December 7th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
ESPN called us a MESS! Another “WILD TIRE FIRE! The other whe spoke of Raiders said “GOD BLESS THEM”!
December 7th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Cam Newton…. 28 games ….. 27 ints…
December 7th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
“Mark as a rookie owner has made a mistake. Learning on the job. Reggie has made mistakes as a rookie GM. Allen has made mistakes as a rookie HC. It’s genuinely going to take 5 years to rebuild because it’s going to take these guys that long to learn on the job and get better at it.”
That is kind of the way I see it…..strap in its going to be a long ride.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
After that great catch by Streater, brainless Knapp calls for a pass. Not all Palmers fault. The play came through the helmet with the green dot.
Coaching grade D.
Come on Jerry, don’t worry about being buddy buddy with Allen to get quotes and grade him a B-. It says coaching.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Listening to Papa right now discussing prior drafts.
Before the draft JERRY JONES would call Al constantly about trading picks in the draft. He was prepared to send alot of PICKS the Raiders way for DARREN MCFADDEN and Al said HECK NO .. he was keeping that 4th overall pick
December 7th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
MRS Davis in the house. Madden said it was 7-0 by the time he sat down!
December 7th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Get Gruden and it will cut the rebuilding in half as he knows WTF to do. Not a rookie.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
“Cam Newton…. 28 games ….. 27 ints…”
When Palmer does that we see a 20 paragraph rant in here by missdik about how horrible he is but if Newton does it he is somehow “REVOLUTIONIZING” the game of football like he invented the forward pass.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
PAPA is pissed all of the indvidual talent has regressed. DHB.. DMOORE.. said the coaching hasnt been the best for the RAiders since Gruden.
kiffin didnt wan JRUSS
December 7th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
I thought the b- was generous as well …
December 7th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
#93…
Exactly why Mark should torch this regime before they cause further damage. Gruden isn’t Jesus, he has flaws too. But he’ll know how to put together a cohesive competitive staff and roster, and not gut Al talent for his own MO agenda that Reggie/Allen have.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
“Lol ….your turn”
9-19 LMFAO the only stat that matters.
Checkmate!
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LOL sb666, just like i thought you have no counter.
You tried to make a point that i weighted cam’s stats more favorably than palmer.
i do and I justified wit with a list of eye popping nfl first, by a rookie and 2nd year player.
Now you want to change the argument by bring up win totals.
What exactly is your argument or point?
You seem to be all over the place. lol
December 7th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Raidersallday… Yep… We’re all pissed…. Frustrated … And angry…
More than a decade of this…. Enough !
December 7th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
McFadden injured again. What are the odds. He’s more fragile than Glass Schillens. His trade value just took another dump. We’d be lucky to et a 4th or 5th round pick right now. It’s almost not worth trading him now. Reggie should be able to renegotiate his contract down based on average availability per season. Personally, I think we ought to convert him to WR & keep him away from the big kids where he might get banged around a lot. Get him the ball in the open and he might do us some good. He could be our #1 WR if he put is mind and body into the right framework. This might be our best strategy for DMac going forward.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
“Im sorry but i dont see how throwing for 3500 yards means anything at all when you are 3-10.”
I’m sorry, but there are 20 other people + special team guys that are on the team as well.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Good luck if they stay this course! $8 seats and fans walked out at 3qtr! Its so bad! One guy jumped off thje top in a suicide attempt! How much worse could it get???
December 7th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
fingers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Cam Newton…. 28 games ….. 27 ints…
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lol cam newton 28 games 55 tds!!! 32 turn overs
December 7th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I think most people in here would like us to start all the bench warmers the 2nd and 3rd stringers and let them play out the season so we can evaluate them…hell why not, losing 56 to 3 cant be any worse than losing 38-17 to New Orleans.
I think we all realize that the season is over and its time to evaluate the younger guys. Starting them is another story but you never know this team is full of surprises.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
We know Mark isn’t happy.
Looking like a circus of crap and the embarrassment on national tv on hall of fame night compounded by the fact he was already ticked off before last night…
Who knows what is going through that pumpkin pie headed mans head right now.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
9-19 is the only stat that matters and not to mention it is how you judge Palmer therefore its how Cam Newton should be judged.
You can try to twist it and contort it in many ways make you happy but those are the facts old man.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Papa said one more interesting point. Most people think it would just be GRUDEN coming. Yes he says Gruden with the roster would have 3-4 more wins right now.
But he said GRUDEN would be coming with an Entire Staff of well respected experienced coachecs that could help each posistion group. He says coaching is IMPORTANT
Sounds like PAPA really doesnt think shyyt or much of DA
December 7th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Fire someone! Anyone!
December 7th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
I’ve been reading this blog for a long time and I’m finally ready to comment. I’m a diehard Raider fan and this season has been one of the most painful, but let’s be real THERE IS NO WAY that Reggie or DA should be fired. They are trying to produce “A New Era of Excellence” and the state that the organization was in before they took over wouldn’t allow it to be a year turnaround.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
They even asked howie long on NFL network whats up with his Raiders.
Howie looked embarrassed said he respects and loves the Raiders.. he came on to a team full of futre hall of famers worked.
They asked him about DA/ REGGIE … HOW basically said HE HAS NO CHOICE but to think they will turn things around. IT wasnt very convincing.
Cmon Mark davis.. u are running this ORG into the ground
December 7th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Mark thought he had set himself up to avoid blame by hiring a GM…Problem is, that by hiring a complete stiff who happens to be a rookie, the blame is falling back onto Mark and he is taking heat publicly, changing the scheme before changing the players was the first step into the quick sand, the rest is just wiggling in deeper…
Got to get some experience at these upper management positions.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Pryor time!
December 7th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
It’s an expensive mistake. But Mark needs to blow up the regime he hired before it gets worse. It’s going to continue to get worse for an extended amount of years.
In blowing it up, it will mean having to completely undo the staff that Reggie hired, not just coaches but all the front office, scouts, director of scouts etc.
But if Mark can indeed entice Gruden back, then it’s for the short-term and long-term good. If he can’t get Gruden, then bring Hue back. If neither can happen, then Mark needs to re-address Reggie’s vision and MO, and ensure a coaching clean-out, not player clean-out occurs, and that Reggie is given direction on hiring an experienced high-caliber HC, or former HC.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
September 23rd, 2012 at 5:37 pm
So I guess watching the film together as a team worked because we played like a team today … What did I tell you guys ..there was nothing wrong with our O , we just needed to execute better , I told you guys our run D is fixed ,last week was fluke ,whatever u want to call it …Go Raiders plus those guys who said Raiders would no way in he’ll win this game …I told you guys anything can happen any given Sunday ..I want the real Raiders fans to point out those losers and ignore them for the rest of their blog lives
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This was after we beat a Pitt team with no Harrison, no Polamalu, and no Mendenhall. This same guy now says this team has no talent. Does this post read like someone disappointed with the amount of talent on the team? Lol all i had to do was go to the comment section of our biggest win of the season to find the hypocrisy
December 7th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
“Cmon Mark davis.. u are running this ORG into the ground”
Really dude? The organization WAS on the ground when his father passed. We’ve been on the ground since the day Al traded Jon Gruden to the Tampon Bay Fake Pirates. You think Mark Davis has some kind of magic wand or wtf?
December 7th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
On the Carson sack/ strip…Barnes van’t even bend over to push the rusher to the ground.
Guy ran right by him, underneath his outstretched arms as he stood upright.
What a fat piece of garbage, dude can’t even touch his toes to try and save a freakin possesion…
December 7th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Btw, thanks for those Greg Papa updates. Shows what I’m fearing and talking about is real. That Papa sees it too, him being far more inside.
Papa mentioning all the key points that many of us have been bringing up the last few weeks. Further vindication of our arguments in this blog
December 7th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Us diehards aren’t even asking for wins at this point. We just want something to hang our hat on that’ll give us hope or SOMETHING to be excited about.
I’m sorry, but for me…people saying “don’t worry DA has got this”, doesn’t do it for me.
Isn’t he the guy who coached us to 3-10 with 6 straight losses now…and 5 of those being outright blowouts?
What am I missing?
I know, I know….salary cap, no draft picks, unprecedented mess never before seen in the annals of professional sports history..etc. etc. etc.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Hope Papa knows something! HC-Gruden, OC-Jay Gruden,DC-Monte Kiffen, O-line- Wiz/Wiley, LB coach- Romonowski, QB Coach- Gannon, ST- Fassel(senior)! I would roll with that!
December 7th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
On the intro to the telecast they showed 1 arial shot and the 3rd deck was empty…
Mark should have borrowed the tarps from the A’s to avoid such a vast amount of empty space. Pathetic!
December 7th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
GG you want to blow up the blow up? They DID blow it up. Now you want to blow it up AGAIN?!? Do you LIKE double digit losses year after freakin year?
At some point you need to hire a group and let them get the job done….
December 7th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
@120: that was just the Raider Nation making sure they was GOOD and liquored up before entering the stadium to watch the hot mess…
December 7th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Ya dude really he is . why do you think Mark is second guessing DA at this point. Why do you think the rumors have coming out about Raiders/ Gruden talking. Even if its 10 percent true.. still something.
Mark pissed at regression? He should have never just listened to Ron wolf .. he should have interviewd MULTIPLE candidates for GM.. who knows maybe one GM would have told him lets just rebuild the defense for now till we get enough draft picks. Right now Mark is letting his ORG being taken down to a national joke.
It might be 3 years b4 the Raiders get back to 8-8 then what? Dennis Allen is a bronco ..doesnt know anything about divisional rival week. Doesnt even have his team playing with emotion. The reason the players played have way decent is because they were on national tv
December 7th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
I want to see Professional Managemnt and Coaches brought into stabilize this team….
Waiting for a Rookie GM, with a career based on 18yrs of being an assistant, and a coach that NEVER had Head Coaching Experience on any level, is too much of a reach.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
#121….if you make a terrible mistake, you need to fix it asap before it gets worse. I’m sure you can find a similar analogy in your life, when you made a big decision, like say moving to a whole new city, moving your family there, or starting a whole new job and all the changes it entailed, or marrying/getting with a woman…but soon after realized it was a terrible mistake and had to blow it up quickly.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Earlier some one compared Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson’s records as first year HC’s in the NFL…both had horrible starts to their NFL careers….
Difference is, BOTH Walsh and Johnson had won at the college level as HC’s…
Walsh got Stanford back on the football map and Johnson Won National Championships at Miami…not an even comparison by any stretch of the imagination.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
9-19 is the only stat that matters and not to mention it is how you judge Palmer therefore its how Cam Newton should be judged.
You can try to twist it and contort it in many ways make you happy but those are the facts old man.
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lol no twisting needed
I would not hold a 2nd year player to the same standard as a 10 year vet… who would?
But since you insist
newton 28 pro games 55tds -32 turnovers 9 wins
palmer’s last 28 games 42 tds -42 turnovers 9 wins?!?!?
so as you can see a second year pro over his first 28 starts has clearly dominated palmer.
newton has 13 more tds
10 less turn overs
and equal wins
Newton owns you and palmer.
next!!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
What if Gruden comes back next year and goes 4-12? Should he be fired? Should Reggie?
December 7th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
“WOW another game where the RAIDERS DIDNT EVEN BOTHER TO SHOW up”
You didn’t see that goal line stance?
You didn’t see us hold Peyton manning to 4 FG’s in the red zone.
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nice post two or three guys may quit but everyone else will continue to play hard
You didn’t see the RB rip off any long runs last night did you?
I saw some guys playing hard last night Houston, Adams, Bryant, Burris, Streater to name a few that had a good game I saw progress last night albeit a small amount of progress
December 7th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
DMAC Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Last season we overachieved.
This season we underachieved.
We have regressed in all categories.
DA must go!
HC – Shaw
OC – Norv
DC – Romeo
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DMAC,I definately agree with you on Norv and Romeo.I don’t know much about Shaw but I am willing to give DA at least another season with new COORDINATORS…
Let us not forget HOFFMAN should have been gone in August
I just don’t believe The Raiders will Pony up all that loot to get Gruden back.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
I saw some guys playing hard last night Houston, Adams, Bryant, Burris, Streater to name a few that had a good game I saw progress last night albeit a small amount of progress
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Yup. Let’s see who wants to be a Raider next year.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Something that sticks with me! After Reggie took over and he said he was looking for a Coach a reporter asked” is Gruden on your short list” Reggie had a look of complete confusion as if he never thought of it! In Return said every Coach is on my short list! Baffling?
December 7th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Raiders were gonna hire a retread or up-and-comer in 2012. Weren’t after a big money coach with a lot of say-so.
Mark is getting impatient though.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Just keeping the majority or a percentage of players from quitting does not give the coach enough ammo to survive an evaluation at season end.
especially when you factor in, the blow out losses, the defensive collapses, and that is his area of expertise. The out of control players, the penalties, the failure to communicate effectively with players, failure to develop or utilize players, and regression of players that were on the up tick before his arrival.
not to mention the hiring if a useless staff
nope keeping a few guys engaged is hardly a measure of success or security
December 7th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
nope keeping a few guys engaged is hardly a measure of success or security
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More for Reggie than DA.
I think DA’s fate is already sealed.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
raidermarty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
We’ve got to see TP play. I respect Palmer and appreciate what he brings to the team but last night i saw him consistently deliver the ball late and it cost us time and again. He is decent but he’s too vulnerable to a strong pass rush. TP can move around and make plays with his feet and that’s what we need right now
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Go back and watch the tape occassionally. Note how many times Palmer spots the blitz at the LOS, audibles, and then hits the hot route for a nice gain where the defense abandoned the coverage. Most times, CP takes a big hit as a result. These plays often result in nice gains.
Yes, all things being equal, if you took Palmer’s skill set and added more mobility, it’d be helpful. But TP is not Palmer + speed. TP is Palmer + speed minus footwork, accuracy and the ability to read the defense. The dropoff in those key areas will be far more detrimental than the gain in mobility will be benficial.
So what you’d get with Pryor inserted is a mad scramble when the pressure comes and then a desparate look for the primary WR that, due to lack of audible, is now running the wrong route for that defense. He’ll either force the throw to him creating more picks than CP throws in multiple games, or he’ll run for 7 or 8 yards, eschewing the opportunity to hit the hot route for 12 or more.
If Pryor were RGIII or even Kaepernick, I wouldn’t be making this argument. Those two are definitely bright young men that beat you first with their heads on the read and then with their athleticism. But we’re talking about Pryor, a guy that is failing to pick up the system despite a full offseason and 13 weeks of practice once the season has started now.
For anyone that keeps saying he has all the tools, get over it, he doesn’t. He’s not quick enough mentally for this position at this level, and no amount of practice or crying on this blog is going to change that.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
4-12 at least they were Coached right! Staff stays! Players go!
December 7th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Reggie ddn’t even know who was on the Raiders roster during his initial presser…
How is he supposed to manage if he doesn’t know our roster,or even the rosters of EVERY team in the NFL…seems like he’s content to stick with what he knows, the Green Bay Practice Squad. Dude has been in over his head since he got here.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
#Raiders McKenzie questioned by other front office staffers on why they haven’t cut Seymour yet. Richard with no rush to get back on field.
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Further vindication of us bloggers being right. You have staffers questioning Mr Sit on My Hands McKenzie’s decision making and/or lack of.
If it wasn’t for Mark Davis interview, Reggie hasn’t said or done anything as a GM to better this team, or inspire it thru that November. He is the commander of the Football Operations and has been doing nothing but sitting on his hands staying the course. He should’ve been firing aspects of the coaching staff and promoting someone else. He was way too inactive during the trade period too. He continued to sign-off on many things transpiring that were evident of a season derailing and lockerroom fraying.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
For some reason whenever the coaches talk about playing young guys Lienarts name NEVER comes up. I gotta believe there is a reason for that(he doesn’t inspire the coaches)……period
On the other hand whenever they speak about playing young players and preparing for the future of this org. Pryor’s name if not 1st is 2nd out of the COACHES mouth. He knows that position has got to be solidified from his standpoint as well as the GM’s and most importantly the owner.
That is unmistakable and for anyone to say that Pryor is NOT a Pryor-ity is either a liar or extremely ignorant. They have disgusted Pryor ad-nauseum because everyone who matter is intrigued by the young dynamic QB. DENY it if you want but the facts are the facts…….period
December 7th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Its a good thing the Raiders wear black because watching their games is like going to a funeral.
I hope to see significant roster changes in the offseason, and not just cutting backups and high salary guys.
I want to see 80% of the starting lineup turned over in the next 2 years. I don’t care if they go somewhere else and turn out to be productive(HIGHLY UNLIKELY).
I want to have new people to cuss at and blame for the losing.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Earlier some one compared Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson’s records as first year HC’s in the NFL…both had horrible starts to their NFL careers….
Difference is, BOTH Walsh and Johnson had won at the college level as HC’s…
Walsh got Stanford back on the football map and Johnson Won National Championships at Miami…not an even comparison by any stretch of the imagination.
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Walsh took a 2-14 and went 2-14. JJ took a 3-13 that team that traded Herschel Walker in the off-season and went 1-15 with a rookie QB starting.
That’s what’s wrong with these guys, they look at numbers and not the whole story.That’s why they think Carson is doing such a stellar job
December 7th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Players should go now and give the staff (Greg Knapp not included) a chance.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Meth to the Maddness,DMAC,Hwnrdr…great to see you guys again!!! D,thanks for getting my tixs!!!
OtisP and Dutch…it was great to meet you guys…
It was a damn shame I went 0 for 3 on my trip to the Bay.Maybe next year I will do a summer vacation-go see the A’s…Giants and take the kids to Six Flaggs!!
I need to see “progress” before I make it back to see the Raiders again.Last yr and the year prior we were doing that…IDK what the hell is going on right now
December 7th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
But we’re talking about Pryor, a guy that is failing to pick up the system despite a full offseason and 13 weeks of practice once the season has started now
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Says who?
Pryor stated he knows 100% of the playbook and coach Flip has been singing his praises. CP talks him up. Reg said he wants to take a look. DA started dressing him, and Knapp said he’s had packages last 2 games.
what am I missing here, fellas?
Week 17. Book it.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
128.aking4life Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
What if Gruden comes back next year and goes 4-12? Should he be fired? Should Reggie?
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I know what you’re getting at.
I’ve said the difference from a “hope” standpoint is that a guy like Holmgren, Parcells, or yes… Gruden have a HISTORY of successful HC experience. Heck, Jeff Fisher is treated like a god and he doesn’t even have a ring…he has 6 playoff appearences in his 17 yr’s as coach of the Oilers/Titans…but alas…no rings, but i still consider him a good coach.
Guys saying “I really trust DA to get this done”, and the “skeptics” say “3-10…and what history of success does he have?”
Basically it’s just blind trust not based on anything he’s really accomplished. That’s fine. Maybe people get a “good vibe” from him or think his 20th ranked D is accomplishment enough and a good basis for confidence in him. That’s fine, but understand where guys would have more faith in Gruden (SB, record with Oak. etc.) and be skeptical of what DA is gonna do to save the nation.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Pryor unfornuately will have 1 week to show he belongs.. just like Hue had 16 weeks.
Where guys like Palmer and Leinart will be brought back.. and DA will have 3 more years.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
aking4life Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
What if Gruden comes back next year and goes 4-12? Should he be fired? Should Reggie?
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I can guarantee you Gruden would not go 4-12 in his first year here on return. So cross that ‘what if’ off the ‘what if’ list.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
2-14
December 7th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
What’s so odd in wanting a Head Coach with actual NFL head Coaching experience…
Reggie removes all of Al’s influence from the team and then pulls Al’s favorite move on hiring an HC that has only worked twice overall and only once in Oakland (Gruden , Shanarat)…
December 7th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
And like I said a couple threads ago…
the rate of rookie HC’s becoming SB champions eventually is more like 1%.
Count how many rookie HCs there have been since the NFL-AFL merger. Count how many eventually won their first SB. Just because someone’s a rookie HC, doesn’t mean they are going to become a success, or that they should be given more years after proving they have completely wrecked the team and lost them. Think Raheem Morris when you think Dennis Allen.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
I’m sure the strength of Pryor’s game will be improvisation. Can only get so much of that in practice, which is a far more controlled environment.
Let him loose.
That’s what the 2012 season has come to.
Free Pryor.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
For some reason whenever the coaches talk about playing young guys Lienarts name NEVER comes up. I gotta believe there is a reason for that(he doesn’t inspire the coaches)……period
On the other hand whenever they speak about playing young players and preparing for the future of this org. Pryor’s name if not 1st is 2nd out of the COACHES mouth. He knows that position has got to be solidified from his standpoint as well as the GM’s and most importantly the owner.
That is unmistakable and for anyone to say that Pryor is NOT a Pryor-ity is either a liar or extremely ignorant. They have disgusted Pryor ad-nauseum because everyone who matter is intrigued by the young dynamic QB. DENY it if you want but the facts are the facts…….period
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Afternoon Fellas,
The Raiders need to make determinations regarding the young ones.
Reggie’s say’s he’s a best player available Guy, but I can’t help but believe that His priorities will be influenced by what He feels the roster is lacking.
QB is obviously the most important part of any successful Franchise.
They need to know if Pryor is the Guy.
Sooner rather then later.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
^^^rookie^^^
December 7th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
^^^a rookie hc^^^
December 7th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Speaking of the St. Rams, Jeff Fisher has changed things pretty quick around there.
They were 2-14 last year and 5-6-1 THIS yr. and just got done beating a SB contender last week. THAT is “progression”.
Stl. had 24 guys on that team last yr. who are now OUT OF THE NFL..PERIOD, and here they are.
How did they get here so fast? This team was dead in the water, kind of like we are right now.
Being 2-14 they had the 2nd pick in the draft. Washington traded THREE # 1’s (later picks to them) in exchange for the rights to RG3. Rams have capitalized on those 3 # 1’s with impact players. Sprinkle in some savvy free agent acquisitions as well as a GOOD HC like Jeff Fisher..and…. VOILA….1 yr. turn around and in the playoff hunt and getting better every week.
THIS is what Reggie may have in mind.
He ought to at least think about it.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
And if Pryor is not a QB, he is a freak athlete. Why has’t he seen the field at all.
TE? WR? Wildcat?
I suppose they want to devote as much time as possible to his development as a QB but seems odd that he can’t get the ball in his hands on a reverse or something.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
For some reason whenever the coaches talk about playing young guys Lienarts name NEVER comes up. I gotta believe there is a reason for that(he doesn’t inspire the coaches)……period
On the other hand whenever they speak about playing young players and preparing for the future of this org. Pryor’s name if not 1st is 2nd out of the COACHES mouth. He knows that position has got to be solidified from his standpoint as well as the GM’s and most importantly the owner.
That is unmistakable and for anyone to say that Pryor is NOT a Pryor-ity is either a liar or extremely ignorant. They have disgusted Pryor ad-nauseum because everyone who matter is intrigued by the young dynamic QB. DENY it if you want but the facts are the facts…….period
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Stupid to state someone is a priority when the team hasn’t even bothered to suit the guy up until last week.
You haven’t a clue what priority means, do you?
You also have no clue what ad-nauseum means. Prior to two weeks ago, the name pryor hadn’t crossed the coaches lips. Was only after Kap’s success across the bay made reporters ask about different players, including pryor.
The coaching staff knows what Pryor can do.
You obviously don’t have a clue what he can do. If you did, you wouldn’t stick your neck out making these comments, that will come back to bite ya.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Also, Belichick and Gruden’s SB success don’t count as rookie HC’s getting success eventually. They moved on from the team they were rookie HCs off, and won a SB as retread HCs, as vet HCs.
But even if you want to add them in as once being rookie HCs who eventually won a SB, it’s still like 1%
December 7th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Sometimes you need to laugh, to keep from crying..
A husband and wife are shopping in their local supermarket.
The husband picks up a case of beer and puts it in their cart.
“What do you think you’re doing?” the wife asks.
The husband replies, “They’re on sale– only $10 for 24 cans.
“Put them back.We can’t afford them,” the wife insists.
The husband grumblingly complies.
A few aisles later, the woman picks up a $20 jar of face cream and puts it in the basket.
“What do you think you’re doing?” asks the husband.
The wife replies, “It’s my face cream. It makes me look beautiful.”
The husband retorts. “So does a 24-pack of beer, and it’s half the price.”
December 7th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Mark Davis – “Who among the players and coaches want me to fight for their jobs?”
Heads will roll…
December 7th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Reggie doesn’t think, he goes with his ‘gut’ and that has brought us 3 productive players out of 27 roster changes…not a very impressive start.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RaiderDanny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Hope Papa knows something! HC-Gruden, OC-Jay Gruden,DC-Monte Kiffen, O-line- Wiz/Wiley, LB coach- Romonowski, QB Coach- Gannon, ST- Fassel(senior)! I would roll with that!
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Shyyyt YEAH
Now there’s a power squad packed with the good O’l Boys that probably take stock and PRIDE in their team. Thats how you restore Raider Pride and values in a team that’s lost it’s identity. Bring in the ghosts from the past.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
I really believe if Mark would have interviewed two other GM canidates.. he might have found something he liked.
Maybe a GM would have said lets just rebuild that horrible defense till we get more draft picks.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Sometimes you need to laugh, to keep from crying..
A husband and wife are shopping in their local supermarket.
The husband picks up a case of beer and puts it in their cart.
“What do you think you’re doing?” the wife asks.
The husband replies, “They’re on sale– only $10 for 24 cans.
“Put them back.We can’t afford them,” the wife insists.
The husband grumblingly complies.
A few aisles later, the woman picks up a $20 jar of face cream and puts it in the basket.
“What do you think you’re doing?” asks the husband.
The wife replies, “It’s my face cream. It makes me look beautiful.”
The husband retorts. “So does a 24-pack of beer, and it’s half the price.”
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LMFAO…
Hahahaha
December 7th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Anyone who has followed football should be very aware that if a player is showing a lot of promise, they get in for mopup duty.
If after 1 1/2 yrs that player still hasn’t gotten mopup time?
it’s very simple.
He just isn’t ready.
Why is that so hard for some to grasp?
December 7th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
And I can guarantee that DA wouldn’t be 3-10 with a more talented roster.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
No one wants Mark to fight for their jobs, cause they want to get the F outta here and go play for real coaches on a real team…
December 7th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
If CP goes down, who goes in?
What does that tell you?
December 7th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Reg is not going anywhere. DA isn’t going anywhere.
Lots of players won’t be back. Thats pretty obvious.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Matt Miller@nfldraftscout
Advantage goes to first #NFL team to fire their HC. Will have a head-start on Chip Kelly, Gruden, Cowher recruiting.
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Good thing Mark is only focusing on GRUDEN tho.. Lock him up Mark
December 7th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
If Mark had ever paid an attention to his dads hiring methods, he would’ve interviewed other candidates even if he already found his guy…just to learn what they thought.
But since Mark was kept in the shadows, he has zero idea of what Due Diligence is and didn’t perform any other interviews…He FAILED the Franchise Big Time on this hire.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
No one wants Mark to fight for their jobs, cause they want to get the F outta here and go play for real coaches on a real team…
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On the flip side of that.
I can’t wait for Reggie to run the remaining check cashers out of town.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
I agree with 170
December 7th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Whew, GREAT NEWS, Blog Dorks!
The Beeeech Diggity Dawg just finished grinding at Olive Garden and only took one humongous emergency duece
Usually I’m sprinting for the bathroom like my hair’s on fire every 3 mins
This time I truly believe they used recipes cultivated in Tuscany and brought to this country, to share with the common man
Although I just ordered another bottle of Chianti, so any second my nads will be dripping sweat like Niagara Falls
December 7th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
I wanted JACK DEL RIO for DC LAST YEAR!!!!
Send the mad chemist back to the lab!!
December 7th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Stay with the status quo and there won’t be any fans to build a stadium for…
How much can they expect this fanbase to put up with before they cash out?
I know, good riddance, but those bandwagon fans, bring in a lot of $ that this team desperately needs…did Mark see the recent ticket sales for 2010-11 and think he had them hooked all over again? Cause he was dead wrong if he thought that was so.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
That is exactly right. The Raiders are tanking to LA.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
But we’re talking about Pryor, a guy that is failing to pick up the system despite a full offseason and 13 weeks of practice once the season has started now
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Says who?
Pryor stated he knows 100% of the playbook and coach Flip has been singing his praises. CP talks him up. Reg said he wants to take a look. DA started dressing him, and Knapp said he’s had packages last 2 games.
what am I missing here, fellas?
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You’re missing the same thing Pryor is missing: playing time.
Nothing is more telling than reality, and reality is he has not done or shown enough in training camp, preseason and practices to merit a single play.
This is, and has been since day 1, a very obvious rebuilding year. If they thought he was the future, they’d be playing him plenty by now. Whether or not that they Palmer is the future, they seem to believe that playing him every down is the best thing for the overall development of the team.
I can’t say that I disagree with that. Palmer’s knowledge of NFL football along with his top tier ability to read and adjust puts everyone on the offensive side in a better position to succeed. Whether or not they want to keep him around for one or more seasons (and his contract will have a LOT to do with that decision!) they are leveraging him to grow the other 10 members of the offense.
If this decision were being made at the expense of developing who they believe is the future at QB, then they’d rethink it. This deespite Pryor’s opinion of his own knowledge, which apparently he’s not adequatley demonstrating in practice.
All the facts have shown they don’t see him as the future. If they play him at all this season it’s either as a showcase for possible trade or to convince TP himself that he needs to change position. The read there is what situation they put him in. If it’s a full package go run the offense for a quarter or more, then it’s a future check and step to convince him to change his QB thinking. If it’s a limited, high success package that they don’t repeat enough for teams to get sufficient film on to adjust against, it’s pure showcase.
I believe it will be a showcase if anything. The team desparately needs help at many positions and could leverage whatever they could scalp off another team in trade to build there. It’s using what assets you have in the most productive way.
Or maybe it’s because the GM is racist
December 7th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Entire list of SB winning coaches…
Vince Lombardi *
Weeb Ewbank *
Hank Stram *
Don McCafferty *
Tom Landry *
Don Shula #
Chuck Noll *
John Madden *
Tom Flores *
Bill Walsh *
Joe Gibbs *
Mike Ditka *
Bill Parcells *
George Seiffert *
Jimmy Johnson *
Barry Switzer *
Mike Holgrem *
Mike Shanahan #
Dick Vermeil #
Brian Billick *
Bill Belichick #
Jon Gruden #
Bill Cowher *
Tony Dungy #
Tom Coughlin #
Mike Tomlin *
Sean Payton *
Mike McCarthy *
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* From that list, denotes a HC who started his HC career at the team he won the SB at
# From that list, denotes a HC who started his HC career elsewhere, and won a SB at another team
It’s also worth noting that Ewbank, Shula, Noll, McCafferty, Walsh, all came from the Paul Brown football stable.
While guys like Madden, Flores, Vermeil, etc, came from the Sid Gillman football stable.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
RockyMtnHigh Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Anyone who has followed football should be very aware that if a player is showing a lot of promise, they get in for mopup duty.
If after 1 1/2 yrs that player still hasn’t gotten mopup time?
it’s very simple.
He just isn’t ready.
Why is that so hard for some to grasp?
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Then why is Reggie saying he wants to see him? Why is that so hard for you people to grasp?
December 7th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
HST: Only 1 problem with that plan…
LA don’t want the Raiders, they proved it last time around, and the NFL forsn’t want “Raiderfan” in the LA market, that was clear by Goodell’s comments last night.
LA wants a winner with big dollar fans that din’t come with a bad reputation that drives away visiting fans…
December 7th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
KrappyRat were you excited with the way the Raiders moved the chains?
Pretty funny yesterday on the blog when you were all drunk and rambling on and on about that, huh?
Totally spilled my margarita laughing, just keepin’ it real
December 7th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
This is what cracks me up. People hate this kid for no reason other than he is a threat to the idea of whata QB looks like.
The press has been asking these coaches about Pryor since early in the season the coaches have answering questions about Pryor all year long. They know that answering the questions before the season is over is definitely a Pryor-ity whether you like it or NOT it is a PRYOR-ity that they find out what they have the young QB. I haven’t heard one single question about Leinart all year long. I haven’t heard the coaches mention his name all year long. But it seems every week for the last 10 weeks they’re answering questions about Pryor.
Also I do know what the kid is capable of, now whether you agree with my opinion is another issue. But I know what Pryor is and I know what he can do. I have never said Pryor is a better player than Palmer nor is he now. But he is a very different player and he brings dynamics to the position Palmer does not. Those dynamics can be the difference between winning and losing from week to week. I know that I would have never believed with Palmer w would be sitting here 3-10.
I thought Palmer would do for us what Manning has done for Denver welll it aint close. We need a spark of any kind I think Pryor can provide that spark. I’m not saying he is some star or anything close . What I am saying is he will excite this football team in ways that Palmer has NOT. I am extremely disappointed in Palmer and I’m ready to go in a different direction………..period
Pryor may take 6-10 games to really get his stride but once he gets it this team will be much different than they are now and I’m talking for the better….hate all you want but this team needs Terrelle Pryor. Yes I said it…..this team needs Terrelle Pryor………period
December 7th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Will you guys still support Reggie when he is the GM of the LA Raiders?
December 7th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
If something is already a national disgrace/joke how does one go about making it a national disgrace/joke?
Or if something that was previously flying high is on the ground already, how does one “drive it into the ground?”
December 7th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Miles burris misses a lot of tackles and I mean a lot of tackles if you watch im not yet sold on that guy.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
187.Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Miles burris misses a lot of tackles and I mean a lot of tackles if you watch im not yet sold on that guy.
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Agree. Blows a lot of coverage assignments too.
He might be nice eventually, but he looks like a nickel pass rusher to me.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
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We are running out of spots. You better hurry up and sign up for the second annual bowl pick em contest
Raiding texas won last year and had bragging rights
password = aldavis
You can change your picks up till gametime
December 7th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
I don’t support Reggie now, and there is little chance of Raidrs going back to LA…
The Rams with Fisher as HC, Bradford, Long, etc. have a better chance of relocating back,
Or as I said earlier, the Jags with their deep pocket owner get the nod after he buildup the roster…Goodell would rather give the Raiders 200 Million $’s to build a facility or share with the 9ers than have The Raiders back in the #1 Market.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Dang, just found out that my 11 kids will be crashing at the Beeeech Pad this weekend
Now I gotta find at least 5 babysitter for Sat night so I can host my VIP-only Reggae Party Cruise
Seriously, Brahs, I wish I had wrapped my snake 6 of those 11 times, but back then I didn’t know they made jimmies big enough to fit the Beeeech Lawg
Thanks for nothing, Magnums
December 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
GG nice post
December 7th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Raymond chester was on chronicle live last night and he credited the coaching for the raiders woes as well.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Reggie’s slow and unemotional pressers are anything but inspiring. Why would anyone think he had a plan or a clue?
DA needs to do something, anything on the sideline. Show the Nation you give a crap.
Knapp is more clueless than a first timer on Xbox. Obviously no game plan. Never sets up plays. Doesn’t ever think about the following plays. When something works, never goes back to it.
JT – why is our secondary confused 6-8 times a game?
December 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Pryor would have seen at least a snap or two by now with any other team. The truth is, these guys wouldnt know what to do with Pryor anyways. Better off waiting for next year, when we have a different coaching staff.
They cant call plays that McFadden could get loose with, they barely have had Reece involved all season, Ausberry gets no burn all while double TE sets are working all over the league, as well as giving your line some extra help, they havent even tried to call a single screen or reverse for Taiwan Jones since preseason, and hes one of the fastest players in the league, they call way too many passes, wearing out Palmers arm, as well as rendering play action useless when we do run it, have never tried DHB in the slot, even though everyone knows he cant catch and the best bet is to let him get the short passes and rack up the YAC yards, which he is a beast at. Im just going off the top of my head. My point is, the staff doesnt even know what to do with the effective offensive players that they already do let play. What makes you think theyre gonna know what to do with Pryor? These guys have no imagination.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Will you guys still support Reggie when he is the GM of the LA Raiders?
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Goodell just committed 200 mill to keep the Raiders at home. They want the Raiders here. Mark wants the Raiders here. Why do some of you continue to push this crap?
December 7th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Check your facts.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Post 105, great post
December 7th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
The Raiders aren’t going to LA….they’ve got to make it work here
December 7th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Mistake I meant post 195..
December 7th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Let me update that better…
Entire list of SB winning coaches…
Vince Lombardi *
Weeb Ewbank *
Hank Stram *
Don McCafferty *
Tom Landry *
Don Shula #
Chuck Noll *
John Madden *
Tom Flores *
Bill Walsh *
Joe Gibbs *
Mike Ditka *
Bill Parcells *
George Seiffert *
Jimmy Johnson *
Barry Switzer *
Mike Holgrem *
Mike Shanahan #
Dick Vermeil #
Brian Billick *
Bill Belichick #
Jon Gruden #
Bill Cowher *
Tony Dungy #
Tom Coughlin #
Mike Tomlin *
Sean Payton *
Mike McCarthy *
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* From that list, denotes a HC who started his HC career at the team he won the SB at
# From that list, denotes a HC who started his HC career elsewhere, and won a SB at another team
It’s also worth noting…
Ewbank, Shula, Landry, Noll, McCafferty, Walsh, Ditka (via Landry), Shanahan (via Reeves who came via Landry), Cowher (via Schottenheimer), Dungy (via Noll), Tomlin (via Dungy) all came from the Paul Brown football stable.
Madden, Flores, Vermeil, Gibbs, Parcells (via Perkins and Fairbanks), Jimmy Johnson (via many paths), Billick, all came from the Sid Gillman football stable.
Switzer, Belichick, Parcells, Coughlin came from the Gillman &/or Fairbanks football stable.
Holmgren, Gruden, McCarthy, Seiffert came from the Walsh (via Brown) football stable.
Payton is a hybrid of Walsh, Fairbanks & Gillman stables.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Pryor would have seen at least a snap or two by now with any other team. The truth is, these guys wouldnt know what to do with Pryor anyways. Better off waiting for next year, when we have a different coaching staff.
They cant call plays that McFadden could get loose with, they barely have had Reece involved all season, Ausberry gets no burn all while double TE sets are working all over the league, as well as giving your line some extra help, they havent even tried to call a single screen or reverse for Taiwan Jones since preseason, and hes one of the fastest players in the league, they call way too many passes, wearing out Palmers arm, as well as rendering play action useless when we do run it, have never tried DHB in the slot, even though everyone knows he cant catch and the best bet is to let him get the short passes and rack up the YAC yards, which he is a beast at. Im just going off the top of my head. My point is, the staff doesnt even know what to do with the effective offensive players that they already do let play. What makes you think theyre gonna know what to do with Pryor? These guys have no imagination.
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I totally agree with this. However to let opportunities go by is damn near criminal it signals how passive Reggie is when it comes to his influence over the coaches. It doens’t matter how good the talent is he brings in this staff will render it ineffective making them look bad. We have had trouble scoring all year where Pryor may have made the biggest impact and they haven’t inserted him one single time. I just watched a PC with DA and all he says is the same thing he’s been saying all year long. We have a package for Pryor but the opportunity hasn’t presented itself…………lol
We’re 3-10 can score in the redzone can score in the 3rd qrtr we’re getting beat like a drum week in week out but the opportunity hasn’t presented itself says our fearless leader.
Draw your own conslusion as to just how inept this coaching staff has been and continues to be.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Madden, Flores, Vermeil, Gibbs, Parcells (via Perkins and Fairbanks), Jimmy Johnson (via many paths), Billick, all came from the Sid Gillman football stable.
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I don’t know about that, link please, what’s your point?
December 7th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Anybody…I mean anybody…to be the new coach of the raiders….Danus Allen couldn’t coach a hs team…no kidding high schools fire coaches with this record and they are teachers as well!
December 7th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
It can always get worse.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Pryor would have seen at least a snap or two by now with any other team. The truth is, these guys wouldnt know what to do with Pryor anyways. Better off waiting for next year, when we have a different coaching staff.
They cant call plays that McFadden could get loose with, they barely have had Reece involved all season, Ausberry gets no burn all while double TE sets are working all over the league, as well as giving your line some extra help, they havent even tried to call a single screen or reverse for Taiwan Jones since preseason, and hes one of the fastest players in the league, they call way too many passes, wearing out Palmers arm, as well as rendering play action useless when we do run it, have never tried DHB in the slot, even though everyone knows he cant catch and the best bet is to let him get the short passes and rack up the YAC yards, which he is a beast at. Im just going off the top of my head. My point is, the staff doesnt even know what to do with the effective offensive players that they already do let play. What makes you think theyre gonna know what to do with Pryor? These guys have no imagination
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Agree.
No Imagination.
December 7th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
I don’t want to see Pryor in a package during the game. Don’t run him in for a play or two. Knapp would probably run him straight up the middle. If he’s going to be a QB in this league, it’s got to be as a passer, not a gimmick.
Either make him the #2 (Leinart can’t throw anything but a checkdown), or give him the 4th when we’re down by 3 td’s. He outplayed Leinert in the preseason. If he is potentially our future, he deserves a shot with a few series in a row.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Pryor would have seen at least a snap or two by now with any other team. The truth is, these guys wouldnt know what to do with Pryor anyways. Better off waiting for next year, when we have a different coaching staff.
They cant call plays that McFadden could get loose with, they barely have had Reece involved all season, Ausberry gets no burn all while double TE sets are working all over the league, as well as giving your line some extra help, they havent even tried to call a single screen or reverse for Taiwan Jones since preseason, and hes one of the fastest players in the league, they call way too many passes, wearing out Palmers arm, as well as rendering play action useless when we do run it, have never tried DHB in the slot, even though everyone knows he cant catch and the best bet is to let him get the short passes and rack up the YAC yards, which he is a beast at. Im just going off the top of my head. My point is, the staff doesnt even know what to do with the effective offensive players that they already do let play. What makes you think theyre gonna know what to do with Pryor? These guys have no imagination.
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Excellent post.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Pryor would have seen at least a snap or two by now with any other team. The truth is, these guys wouldnt know what to do with Pryor anyways. Better off waiting for next year, when we have a different coaching staff.
They cant call plays that McFadden could get loose with, they barely have had Reece involved all season, Ausberry gets no burn all while double TE sets are working all over the league, as well as giving your line some extra help, they havent even tried to call a single screen or reverse for Taiwan Jones since preseason, and hes one of the fastest players in the league, they call way too many passes, wearing out Palmers arm, as well as rendering play action useless when we do run it, have never tried DHB in the slot, even though everyone knows he cant catch and the best bet is to let him get the short passes and rack up the YAC yards, which he is a beast at. Im just going off the top of my head. My point is, the staff doesnt even know what to do with the effective offensive players that they already do let play. What makes you think theyre gonna know what to do with Pryor? These guys have no imagination.
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Excellent post. I wanted to see Houdini playing, but you make a great point about this staff’s ineptitude. Maybe best to wait until an NFL quality coach comes on board.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Draw your own conslusion as to just how inept this coaching staff has been and continues to be.
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I already have, and it’s not good.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
What makes you think theyre gonna know what to do with Pryor? These guys have no imagination.
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Yup, good point.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Pryor would have seen at least a snap or two by now with any other team. The truth is, these guys wouldnt know what to do with Pryor anyways. Better off waiting for next year, when we have a different coaching staff.
They cant call plays that McFadden could get loose with, they barely have had Reece involved all season, Ausberry gets no burn all while double TE sets are working all over the league, as well as giving your line some extra help, they havent even tried to call a single screen or reverse for Taiwan Jones since preseason, and hes one of the fastest players in the league, they call way too many passes, wearing out Palmers arm, as well as rendering play action useless when we do run it, have never tried DHB in the slot, even though everyone knows he cant catch and the best bet is to let him get the short passes and rack up the YAC yards, which he is a beast at. Im just going off the top of my head. My point is, the staff doesnt even know what to do with the effective offensive players that they already do let play. What makes you think theyre gonna know what to do with Pryor? These guys have no imagination.
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I totally agree with this. However to let opportunities go by is damn near criminal it signals how passive Reggie is when it comes to his influence over the coaches. It doens’t matter how good the talent is he brings in this staff will render it ineffective making them look bad. We have had trouble scoring all year where Pryor may have made the biggest impact and they haven’t inserted him one single time. I just watched a PC with DA and all he says is the same thing he’s been saying all year long. We have a package for Pryor but the opportunity hasn’t presented itself…………lol
We’re 3-10 can score in the redzone can score in the 3rd qrtr we’re getting beat like a drum week in week out but the opportunity hasn’t presented itself says our fearless leader.
Draw your own conslusion as to just how inept this coaching staff has been and continues to be.
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Im hoping that Reggies lack of ANYTHING but excuses regarding how bad we’ve been is just due to him knowing that hes not sticking with DA after these few games, no matter what. If thats not the case, then this organization just simply and truly is being run by guys that arent cut out to get the job done. And its sad, cause I really dont care who the “guy” or “guys” in charge are. I just care about the Oakland Raiders winning and playing good football, neither of which they are anything close to doing right now.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
From this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_head_coaches
Going from that list, there have been 448 Head Coaches in the history NFL. Probably half of that since the Super Bowl era.
Out of 225 (roughly) HCs in the Super Bowl era, who all started as rookie HCs at one time, only 28 have won a Super Bowl. That’s about 12% chance of a rookie HC becoming a SB coach at all.
And out of 225 HCs in the Super Bowl era, who won a Super Bowl at the same team they started their HC career at, only 21 have done so. That’s about 9% chance of a rookie HC wining a SB with the team he started his career at.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
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December 7th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
During today’s press conference Allen was ask if they planned to start Pryor…. His answer was” we’ve had some packages ready for him and we expect well use them with him…”… I took that as No Pryors not getting a start , just some snaps and special spot plays…..maybe you guys will hear it different , but that was my take…… If you haven’t you should listen to it….
Lorenzo Neal and Romanowskis take on this team is very interesting and not much like the opinions of this blog….. They seem to think Carson Palmer has no help from his Wrs or the offense :::: interesting opinions
December 7th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
ST. LOUIS RAMS- Their situation is very similar to ours…I hope.
Two yr’s ago they were 7-9 and on the rise. Last yr. they go 2-14..in the crapper.
This yr.? 5-6-1 and rising… coming off a HUGE WIN against SF.
Here’s how they did it.
They bring in Jeff Fisher as HC = SOLID.
They trade their 2nd pick on the draft for two later 1st rd. picks and a #1 next yr. and another #1 the next.
Hmmmmm.
For their draft, they picked up DT Michael Brockers-LSU with the 14th pick in 1st rd.- Immediate impact.
Then Janoris Jenkins…starting impact CB..also Trumaine Johnson who’s getting rave reviews as the opposite starting corner.
They needed a deep threat for Bradford. Enter 4th rounder Chris Givens averaging over 27 ypcatch.
So far those are your IMPACT 1ST YR. STARTERS FROM THE DRAFT.
In FREE AGENCY they pick up solid starting center Scott Wells from GB, DB Cortland Finnegan from Tennessee (5 yr. 50 mill.), LB Jo Lonn Dunbar who is better than anything we have currently. DE William Hayes-Solid, servicable DE, and from Miami they acquire DE Kendall Langford (4 yr’s 24 mill.) who has been a boon to the Rams def. line.
In all the Rams dumped 24 players from their 2-14 roster who are no longer even in the league at present.
So…a 2-14 team coming off a previous 7-9 campaign (sound familiar?) REBUILT IN ONE OFFSEASON to the point of now being viable playoff contender and getting better every week. COMPETITIVE. RELEVANT.
THIS is a blueprint Reggie can follow.
It CAN be done.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Guys, It does not matter who is coaching or playing right now – The Raiders need a true leader of men at head coach next year. Next year’s schedule as follows: away games at Houston, Indianapolis, Dallas, New York Giants,an AFC East opponent, Denver, Kansas City, and San Diego – home: Jacksonville, Tennessee, Philadelphia, Washington, an AFC North opponent, Denver, Kansas City, and San Diego. That is a daunting schedule to say the least and given the make-up of the current coaching staff and the players that are taking the field this season – I can’t see next season being better. Coach Allen and Coach Tarver have been outcoached every game. Teams are making adjustments at half time on both young coaches – And they do not have answers after 4 preseason and 13 regular season games. This team needs a true leader of men like Pittsburgh, New England, and the New York Giants and FOOTBALL PLAYERS – Not a bunch of guys playing football. It is sad commentary when your only player worthy of a pro bowl selection is the place kicker – Well, you don’t have game plan for Jano. Until those issues are addressed, we will continue to regress and be the laughingstock of the league.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Afternoon CORK ! — NATION – WE DID IT AGAIN!
Didn’t watch the game, but awful play calling I.agree
100% . Why so much weakness in offense ? And why we
Win the toss and let them Go first, who is the stupid, that gives
The donkees an OPEN FIELD to run loose ?
Cork – R they crazy!
December 7th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Coaching got a B-?
Only 15 rushing attempts!
How many times did a TE for the Broncos catch a cross rout over the middle? I think it happehed over & over.
Last year with the same O-line with just one different player, the Raiders were in the top 5 rushing & sack allowed. NOT this year with this staff
December 7th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
NOT enough, too many mistakes, when you play like they do everything goes wrong!
REGGIE , hope you are watching. Please do the evaluation fast everyone is talking bad about us.
Coaching is inept, they don’t look NFL caliber!
December 7th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
If GRUDEN was here he would have march down the field for a 7-0 score and would have ROCK the Stadium and MANNING too! On TNFOOTBALL
December 7th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
It is so incredible to see this game and 6 consecutive loses just for this season alone.
Then 10 consecutive losing seasons to a total of 100 or more loses, and then watching play this way and losing scoring opportunities .That is self pitty.
Even the COMMICIONER is willing to help us. Seeing us on the
Floor beat up this way, with a ” BLOODY FACE”
OH GOD!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Why not run the ball after the 58 yard pass Mcfadden had what 5 carries @ the half…you have to allow your runningback to get in a groove IJS though
December 7th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
I know you cant blame 1 person in particular but from what Ive observed Carson threw away the Falcons,Bucs,Browns games and threw a crucial pick last nite to kill a drive.Im not hating but damm this guy does the most ill timed fumbles and picks since Ive been watching him play in the league
December 7th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Did you say Palmer and top tier ability to read a defense in the same conversation,LoL!!!That guy makes me wonder if he can even read green eggs and ham without fkkn it up…Pryor can get out on the field and do what he(Palmer) does.absolutely nothing but turn it ver @ the damdest times
December 8th, 2012 at 3:17 am
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December 8th, 2012 at 5:43 am
GG you strike me as an uneducated moron with your constant reference to bringing in less than average “Christian ” athletes ! Lets see….. Brady , Manning brothers , RG3, Brees and countless others of Christian faith are premiere players in this league. So please when YOU feel like typing more nonsense , don’t !
December 8th, 2012 at 10:11 am
you are much to nice jerry……they sucked
December 9th, 2012 at 11:48 am
I’m sure I will get ripped for my comments but Allen doesn’t deserve to be fired. No one was going to win with this roster. Al gutted the team trading away draft picks and over paying players. Lots of inferior talent on this roster. JaMarcus Russell alone probably set the team back 5 years. Al drafted McClain too who I thought would be much better than he is. They had limited picks last year and no second round pick next year. Also they’re near the cap so don’t be surprised if they trade their 1st round pick for more cheaper picks next year. On top of that there were a lot of out of line contracts in which the genius overpaid players who McKenzie had to let them go because of that. Some of you people are really blind in your adoration of Davis. When he made his reputation he had Ron Wolf by his side. The same Ron Wolf who recommended Reggie McKenzie for the job to Mark Davis along with John Madden. This is at least a 3 year project. Davis is the genius who did take Robert Gallery over Larry Fitzgerald and JaMarcus Russell over Calvin Johnson. Both drafts they were in need of a receiver. Also he took DHB with the 9th overall pick when at best he was a late 1st round pick over Michael Crabtree. Handed a huge contract to Asomugha & Routt who McKenzie cut & didn’t last a year with the Chiefs. Then there is Phillip Buchannon and Fabian Washington. Busts! I could go on but why? They need to cut ties with Seymour & Kelly. Both overpaid and little production. Don’t forget the Randy Moss & DeAngelo Hall debacles too. And for those of you who liked Hue Jackson, ask yourself why he hasn’t gotten another head coaching gig? Not hard to see why they’re at where they are when you look at those moves.