Streater went from looking for a job in the real world to a Raiders keeper
By Steve Corkran
Friday, December 7th, 2012 at 3:04 pm in Oakland Raiders.
At this time last year, wide receiver Rod Streater was winding down his football career at Temple and contemplating life in the communications field. Today, he is, perhaps, the Raiders most productive wide receiver, at least of late.
Credit the Raiders for seeing in Streater something that 31 other teams didn’t as Streater went undrafted in the seven-round process last April.
Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie signed Streater soon after the draft, in part because of what a Raiders scout saw from Streater at his pro day workout before the NFL draft.
Now, Streater has developed into a keeper as the Raiders look to the future. He has 28 receptions for 429 yards and three touchdowns in 13 games.
“Streater, really, the last couple of games has made some big plays for us,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said. “That’s good to see him, from a young player’s perspective.”
On Thursday night, Streater backed up a 96-yard effort against the Cleveland Browns with a four-catch, 100-yard game.
Not bad for a guy that caught only 19 passes his final season at Temple and wasn’t on the radar of many, if any, NFL teams.
“It’s a crazy feeling,” Streater said Friday. “I thought football was over for me. I was just looking at getting a job. Then you come here and the game’s on your hands. It’s a lot of pressure and then it’s not. It’s what you prepare for. It’s what you want to do as a kid growing up. You want to be Thursday night football making that game-winning touchdown. It’s a good feeling.”
Streater is the kind of player Allen and the Raiders are looking for as they move forward in their rebuilding process. He works hard, is diligent about correcting his mistakes and finding ways to get better.
“I’m getting better,” Streater said. “I didn’t have as many mental errors. My effort is good, so I did pretty good but, in the end, we didn’t win, so I always grade myself down regardless.”
Third-year receiver Jacoby Ford said he told Streater and the other young receivers that now is their time to get noticed.
“We always have one every year,” Ford said of the Raiders penchant for finding young receivers of late. “He’s been making plays since he’s been here. He looked up to us. We told him, ‘You just got to go out there and make plays.’ I told him yesterday, I said, ‘They’re going to give you guys some opportunities to make plays and they’re going to throw it up. Just take advantage of your opportunity.’ And that’s exactly what he does. He just makes plays week in , week out.”
– Allen said running back Darren McFadden appears to be fine on the heels of the aggravated ankle sprain he suffered against the Broncos.
Allen said he expects McFadden to be “fine.” McFadden missed four straight games with the ankle injury he suffered against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Nov. 4. Lats night was his first game back.
“It seemed like he was going to be OK,” Allen said. “He was walking around fine, didn’t have a lot of pain. I don’t think it’s an injury that’s going to keep him out any time.”
McFadden rushed 11 times for 52 yards, with 36 yards coming on one carry. He averaged 1.6 yards on his 10 other carries.
– Cornerback Michael Huff suffered a wrist injury against the Broncos and missed a large portion of the game. Allen said X-rays on Huff’s wrist returned negative. He is scheduled to undergo an MRI today.
“I don’t think it’s a major issue, but we’ll kind of have to wait and see,” Allen said.
– Starting middle linebacker Rolando McClain’s two-game suspension ends Monday. Allen said he will discuss how the Raiders plan to proceed at that time.
The Raiders will have to make a roster move if they opt to allow McClain back into the fold. If not, they will be forced to waive McClain or place him on a reserve list of some kind.
– Running back Taiwan Jones just can’t seem to get on the field, other than on special teams. To that end, he said he is open to the prospect of converting to cornerback, if that’s what it means for him to play more.
“Yeah, I’ve thought about it a lot,” Jones said. “Really, I just love playing football. If they need me to play defense, I’d be pretty happy with that.”
Jones played cornerback in high school and his first year in college. The Raiders selected him in the fourth round of the 2011 NFL draft, but Jones hasn’t been used much in either of his first two seasons.
Allen and offensive coordinator Greg Knapp have offered a variety of reasons for not playing Jones on offense — blocking assignments, injuries putting him behind, ball-handling issues and so on.
Yet, Jones said he feels as if he is adept at all those things and just needs an opportunity to show what he can do in a regular-season game.
“I really don’t know, like, exactly why I’m not getting the carries,” Jones said. “I’m at a point where I can’t control it, so I really don’t worry about it. That’s why I’m really giving it all I got on special teams.”
Jones said his coaches know how eager he is to play more. Best he can tell, he isn’t doing anything that might preclude him from getting a shot.
“I practice just like all the other running backs and I feel like I do a pretty good job of not having too many mental errors,” Jones said. “I know my effort is there. It’s not my decision to make.”
This came on a day when Allen talked about the need to take a look at young, inexperienced players the final three games, with an eye toward seeing what the Raiders have for next season and beyond.
“As we go along, these last three games, we really need to evaluate some of these young guys and see what we have going forward into next year,” Allen said.
– When Allen talks about the future, he said he and McKenzie are in lock-step. For now, the challenge is trying to win games between now and the end of the season, while working in the younger players.
“All of us, as competitors, we want to win,” Allen said. “That’s what it’s all about. But I also understand, and I’ve got a big-picture view of what I want this football team to look like. Reggie and I have talked about it.
“We knew what we were dealing with when we came here. We knew we had some depth issues on the roster, and we couldn’t sustain a lot of injuries. We’ve sustained a few injuries in some spots. We all want to win, and I understand that. And I want to win now, but I’m looking at the long-term future of this team. We’ve got to prepare for the future.”
When asked how close that picture looks compared to the one he sees now, Allen declined to say how long he envisions the two meshing.
“I wouldn’t put any time frame on it,” Allen said. “It’s going to take time. It doesn’t happen with one decision. It’s a accumulation of decisions made over time that gets everything to be exactly how you want it.”
– Wide receiver Denarius Moore caught four passes against the Broncos and looked much sharper than he did against the Browns, in particular, and in recent games.
“He responded to a couple of down weeks,” Allen said. “He came back out and responded to adversity. Like we have talked to the players, adversity doesn’t define who you are, it’s how you respond to adversity that tells a lot about who you are. And he responded well.”
– Ford made a rare appearance in the locker room, which isn’t surprising for a player that is on season-ending injured reserve.
Ford got out of the walking boot that he needed after a foot surgery in September. Now his sights are set upon getting back into tip-top shape so that he can rejoin his teammates for the 2013 season.
“I feel like a normal person again,” Ford said. “I can put on a regular shoe, walk around. But it feels good. It took awhile. It was a long little process to go through, but it’s something I’m getting through pretty well, though.”
Ford suffered his injury in an exhibition game against the Arizona Cardinals. He didn’t play in another game and ultimately got shut down for the season with a Lisfranc injury.
Ford said he intends to remain in the Bay Area during the offseason so that he can work his way back into shape, while under the watchful eyes of team trainers. He’s also fired up about the Raiders offense upon his return.
“If we get everybody healthy and on the field at the same time, we definitely could be a really dynamic offense,” Ford said. “That’s just something we’ve got to get to in the offseason, to make it to the season.”
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December 7th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Heads will roll…
December 7th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
1st
December 7th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Dang you got me
December 7th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Team might as well lose out, for all I care. Better draft position, and I want wholesale changes.
I’m not quite ready to write the book on Big Reg, but I am ready to write the book on this staff. Absolute trash. Take it to the curb.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Streater, Burris, Wheeler, Adams.
Reggie picks.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
From this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_head_coaches
Going from that list, there have been 448 Head Coaches in the history NFL. Probably half of that since the Super Bowl era.
Out of 225 (roughly) HCs in the Super Bowl era, who all started as rookie HCs at one time, only 28 have won a Super Bowl. That’s about 12% chance of a rookie HC becoming a SB coach at all.
And out of 225 HCs in the Super Bowl era, who won a Super Bowl at the same team they started their HC career at, only 21 have done so. That’s about 9% chance of a rookie HC wining a SB with the team he started his career at.
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My point KoolKell was that Mc20 last night was going on about how a rookie HC has to be given a continued chance per se, no matter, because they could become a great SB winning coach one day. But in making his point, he severely exaggerated the success rate of that in history. Suggesting 75% of the time a rookie HC can become a SB winning coach or some such nonsense number pulled from thin air.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Ford talking about getting everybody healthy. LOL. Don’t sprain your neck trying to make a point, Jacoby. We need you healthy next preseason, so we can show you off and trade your injury-prone ass.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Great story. Good for Rod. Despite rookie mistakes, he has been a bright spot in a nightmare of a season, that NO ONE should have expected to be THIS bad. Hopefully he continues to build next season. This may sound crazy, but Streaters game reminds me of Jerry Rice in a lot of ways. Im in no way stating that he is as good as Jerry or ever will be anything close. Im just saying that his game as a WR reminds me of Jerry’s, in his movement, the way that he cuts in his routes, the way that he runs, and even the way he lets the ball fall into his hands, very smooth. Id say as of today, he probably has the best chance of any of our WRs of being a #1 in this league.
I like Streater. Good eye on Reggie for that one.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
GG, post #6. McFadden20 is sort of the last man standing and I think he’s arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. He has no ground to stand on. We can all see this was a complete fail. Even the know-it-alls that supposedly saw this coming are coming around and didn’t see it turning out this bad. It’s downright embarrassing, and invoking comparisons to Shell’s return.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
And kudos to the following comment last thread…
John David Booty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Pryor would have seen at least a snap or two by now with any other team. The truth is, these guys wouldnt know what to do with Pryor anyways. Better off waiting for next year, when we have a different coaching staff.
They cant call plays that McFadden could get loose with, they barely have had Reece involved all season, Ausberry gets no burn all while double TE sets are working all over the league, as well as giving your line some extra help, they havent even tried to call a single screen or reverse for Taiwan Jones since preseason, and hes one of the fastest players in the league, they call way too many passes, wearing out Palmers arm, as well as rendering play action useless when we do run it, have never tried DHB in the slot, even though everyone knows he cant catch and the best bet is to let him get the short passes and rack up the YAC yards, which he is a beast at. Im just going off the top of my head. My point is, the staff doesnt even know what to do with the effective offensive players that they already do let play.
What makes you think theyre gonna know what to do with Pryor? These guys have no imagination.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Beeech!!! When are we gonna see you and the band on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine?! You gonna hafta reprise “On The Cover of The Rolling Stone” by Dr. Hook and Medicine Show only rap/hip hop style. You up to it?!
December 7th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Youngsters. Cool.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Reggie & DA in “Lock step”? Ugh.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
So Draftnics, When we end up with one of the top 3 picks in the 2013 draft….
Who would you take?
Would you trade down if it netted a lower #1 and a #2?
December 7th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Sometimes you need to laugh, to keep from crying..
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909, thanks for the laugh!! You guys got any more good jokes. I could really use some!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
My point KoolKell was that Mc20 last night was going on about how a rookie HC has to be given a continued chance per se, no matter, because they could become a great SB winning coach one day. But in making his point, he severely exaggerated the success rate of that in history. Suggesting 75% of the time a rookie HC can become a SB winning coach or some such nonsense number pulled from thin air.
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Gotcha GG.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
#9…
Yep. Mc20 is slow to coming round. Also, there are a number of new-namers on here of late too, trying their hardest to curry sympathy and support for the regime, trying to call out the rest of us as idiots, clearly they’re company shills. Even actual beat writers are doing their bidding, trying to spread a message to RN to herd them into a mindless pack to just shut up and hug the regime’s nuts.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
Probably squeeze in a quick trip to Olive Garden first
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You have zero credibility now.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Mebbe we can write some herein…..
I’ll start…..
Raiders fan walks into a bar….
December 7th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Thus we see why no one plays hard for DA, no player will fight hard and play for you unless you fight hard for them and give them a shot. He doesnt give these guys a chance thats why they dont give him a chance. Hes so disconnected from the players its ridiculous ive never wanted to see a coach get fired so bad in my life! Smh Reggie fkd up big time hiring this loser.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Could Reggie use is good eye and look for us a couple of good DB’s?
December 7th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
My opinion… After 52 years of the Raiders being run the way Al Davis ran it( I’m an Al fan) I can give Reggie McKenzie more than 12 games or 16 games to turn this trainwreck around…..not many other options is their…I also. Trust John Maddens opinion
December 7th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Scourge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Mebbe we can write some herein…..
I’ll start…..
Raiders fan walks into a bar….
Sees the Raiders playing on TV. Leaves.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Sad to see that much booing with all the Raider HOF’ers in the house.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
I really believe if Mark would have interviewed two other GM canidates.. he might have found something he liked.
Maybe a GM would have said lets just rebuild that horrible defense till we get more draft picks.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
They even asked howie long on NFL network whats up with his Raiders.
Howie looked embarrassed said he respects and loves the Raiders.. he came on to a team full of futre hall of famers worked.
They asked him about DA/ REGGIE … He basically said HE HAS NO CHOICE but to think they will turn things around. IT wasnt very convincing.
Cmon Mark davis.. u are running this ORG into the ground
December 7th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
Thus we see why no one plays hard for DA
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I disagree. I thought they were playing hard last night. I didn’t see any McClainesque half-ass jogging around the field. They made plays, just not consistently. They were clearly overmatched by much better players.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Romanowskis and Lorenzo Neal seem to think Phillip Adams will be a Raider starting corner
December 7th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Ya I think mark was, no he is starting to see whats been happening. why do you think Mark is second guessing DA at this point. Why do you think the rumors have coming out about Raiders/ Gruden talking. Even if its 10 percent true.. still something.
Mark pissed at regression? He should have never just listened to Ron wolf .. he should have interviewd MULTIPLE candidates for GM.. who knows maybe one GM would have told him lets just rebuild the defense for now till we get enough draft picks. Right now Mark is letting his ORG being taken down to a national joke.
It might be 3 years b4 the Raiders get back to 8-8 then what? Dennis Allen is a bronco ..doesnt know anything about divisional rival week. Doesnt even have his team playing with emotion. The reason the players played have way decent is because they were on national tv
December 7th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
He’s only a keeper until he fumbles again.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
PAPA was on the radio today and is pissed all of the indvidual talent has regressed. DHB.. DMOORE.. said the coaching hasnt been the best for the RAiders since Gruden.
kiffin didnt wan JRUSS
Papa said one more interesting point. Most people think it would just be GRUDEN coming. Yes he says Gruden with the roster would have 3-4 more wins right now.
But he said GRUDEN would be coming with an Entire Staff of well respected experienced coachecs that could help each posistion group. He says coaching is IMPORTANT
Sounds like PAPA really doesnt think shyyt or much of DA
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Papa on prior drafts.
Before the draft JERRY JONES would call Al constantly about trading picks in the draft. He was prepared to send alot of PICKS the Raiders way for DARREN MCFADDEN and Al said HECK NO .. he was keeping that 4th overall pick
December 7th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Alswingman…. Cornerback… They wernt talking about returning
December 7th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
It’s so hard to imagine – deep into this bleak, boring season – that a year ago, the Raiders were deadlocked with Denver for the AFC West title. Both teams finished 8-8 (along with San Diego), and Denver won the division on the basis of one botched Raiders play. Because Detroit beat the Raiders – when Rolando McClain couldn’t cover Calvin Johnson – Denver won the AFC West based on record against common opponents.
Ever since then, the teams have sprinted in opposite directions. Denver improved to 10-3 Thursday and is in the AFC’s elite. The Raiders dropped to 3-10 and are again irrelevant. They have done nothing in this season of massive change to signal that they are going the right way.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Once-great-Raiders-have-lost-their-way-4098401.php#ixzz2EPasN65w
December 7th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Mark shouldnt have just listened to Ron wolf.. and I think he is finding that out now. He should have interviewed more then one GM.. should interviewed at least two more and maybe one would have said you dont need a complete overhaul until we get some more draft picks.
Lets just focus on DEFENSE
btw
Victor Cotto@cottovic
Yes, from what sources say, Seymour done & team happy to see this year end & see him in final days as #Raiders. Not a leader nor example.
Victor Cotto@cottovic
#Raiders McKenzie questioned by other front office staffers on why they haven’t cut Seymour yet. Richard with no rush to get back on field.
Victor Cotto@cottovic
#Raiders Seymour will preach, talk to team & young players, but otherwise, not example you want because he doesn’t bring it #TalksTalkNoWalk
December 7th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
#23 Good one, RT!!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Reggie and DA in Lock Step to the Door…
where Reg will either push him out, or Amy is there to push them both out,
cause we all know Mark doesn’t have the stones to fire anyone…
December 7th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Yep… Seymour’s not much good on the sidelines week after week…. Today Allen also said McFadden appears ok … Hmmmm
December 7th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
They even asked howie long on NFL network whats up with his Raiders.
Howie looked embarrassed said he respects and loves the Raiders.. he came on to a team full of futre hall of famers worked.
They asked him about DA/ REGGIE … He basically said HE HAS NO CHOICE but to think they will turn things around. IT wasnt very convincing.
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Not true at all. Howie went into detail about Reggie’s career with Tampa & Green Bay, talking about all the players he’s brought in to Green Bay, and his relationship with Ron Wolf. He said he had absolute confidence in Reggie. He did not mention the coaches though.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
yo
December 7th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Ron Wolf could’ve been for the Reggie hire as it would’ve fast-tracked his son Eliot’s rise inside the Packers.
Herrock is still evaluating and advising for Mark Davis.
John Madden advised Mark to seek out Ron Wolf and Ken Herrock’s advise. John didn’t directly advise to hire Reggie per se.
I don’t hate Reggie at all. I still like him, but I’m cautious to embrace, still distrust aspects of his GM’ing — the MO to gut of Al staffers/players/coaches simply to bring in all his own, and the sitting on hands thruout the season knowing and seeing the train derail, and thruout November sitting back still, how it took Mark himself to come out and try to rally everyone, only then did Reggie hold a PC and a closed one at that where he didn’t really say much anyway.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Raiders fan walk into a bar…..
Sees the bartender taking down Raider posters, pennants, jerseys and other memorabilia…..
Raider fan says “Why you taking all this stuff down?!”….
December 7th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Let me help you out you silly fool,..last year Denver was a great team without a QB,…last year Oakland wasnt very good, got lucky a lot, then failed down the stretch because they werent very good. Denver got a QB, to say the least, Oakland decided to finally do what theyve needed to do for ten years,..rebuild. Glad to help.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
KoolKell Says:
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Once-great-Raiders-have-lost-their-way-4098401.php#ixzz2EPasN65w
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You left out the most important part, about Gruden:
He didn’t burn his bridges in Oakland. That doesn’t mean he would walk back over them: He would have his choice of NFL jobs, with teams that are fully stocked and complete with modern facilities. He has already done his Raiders time. The rumor is a pipe dream.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
I gotta give Reggie a reasonable amount of time to fix this… I’m as frustrated as the next guy but their has to be a reasonable timetable to turn this around…
December 7th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
A Raider fan walks into a bar….literally
“ouch”
Bartender says, “how do you not see that there”
Raider fan says, “I’ve just come from the Raider game, still in a dazed and confused stupor”
December 7th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Raider Prediction Board
Dedicated to Al Davis, Raider duct tape (boy does it hold) and the Coliseum rodents
Week 1: Alex7: Chargers 27 Raiders 20 (22/14)
Week 2: R8eray: Dolphins 20 Raiders 13 (35/13)
Week 3: Plunketthead Raiders 30 Steelers 27 (34/31) R
Week 4: Amysincharge: Denver 48-7 (37-6)
Week 5: Klas Tjorborn: Falcons 35 Raiders 20 (23/20)
Week 6: qodrn: Raiders 27 Jags 20 (26/23 OT) R
Week 7: raidermarty/VaRaiderNation Raiders 27 –
Chiefs 17 (26/16) R
Week 8: No Winner.
Week 9: JONGRUDEN2012: Baltimore 47 Oakland 13
Week 10: GG: Saints 45 Raiders 17
Week 11: To be reconstructed when I feel better
Week 12: backstageatapupptshow: Cleveland 27 Oakland 13 – reverse winner – Albert B. Paine 20/17
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says: Broncos 72 Raiders 23
Plunketthead: Says: Raiders 28 mulestink 27
GG Says: Broncos 45 Raiders 20
guest123 Says: DEN 37 OAK 6
MiamiRaider78 Says: Oakland 27 Denver 20
qodrn: Raiders 24 Denver 23 (if Seymore replacement punches out Manning)
RaiderDebo Says: Denver 28 Raiders 24
Raider O Says: Denver 34 Raiders 16
RaiderRockstar: Raiders 30 horse humpers 17
SCorkran: Broncos 34 Raiders 13
The_Judge37 Says: Raiders 26 Donkeys 21
December 7th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
#45…
Bartender says, “then i guess you don’t need a drink”
December 7th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
PAPA was on the radio today and is pissed all of the indvidual talent has regressed. DHB.. DMOORE.. said the coaching hasnt been the best for the RAiders since Gruden.
kiffin didnt wan JRUSS
Papa said one more interesting point. Most people think it would just be GRUDEN coming. Yes he says Gruden with the roster would have 3-4 more wins right now.
But he said GRUDEN would be coming with an Entire Staff of well respected experienced coachecs that could help each posistion group. He says coaching is IMPORTANT
Sounds like PAPA really doesnt think shyyt or much of DA
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Coaching is incredibly important. You don’t round up talent and just say “have at it. win us some games”. The Raider teams of the 90s can tell you that.
SMH at people in here that blow it all off and blame it all on the players. This is a coaching failure on all levels. These players are ill-prepared.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Can’t change direction after 52 years and expect success after 12 games ….
December 7th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
qodrn1…ive posted for you several times the week 11 predictions. dont disappear, hang on, i’ll repost them for you
December 7th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
“Yeah, I’ve thought about it a lot,” Jones said. “Really, I just love playing football. If they need me to play defense, I’d be pretty happy with that.”
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Please, somebody just give this man the damn football and let him run.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I understand the salary cap situation and had already given this staff some leeway for losses. But this team hasn’t even truly competed in the later part of the year and when they have, they found new mistakes to make to let the game get away.
There really isn’t another way to describe them other than a mess.
It’s so frustrating at this point that when I see Knapp telling Allen something on the sideline and Allen nodding his head, excitedly approving, that I can’t help but see it as the lamest senior in high school putting his arm around some ignorant freshman and telling him “Hey, just do everything I say and you’ll be cool, I’m a senior so trust me.”
Meanwhile, everybody is laughing and moving along.
I remember saying, “well, after Bresnahan is gone it can’t get any worse.” HA! Enter Tarver and the gang.
Even though all of these guys have more football knowledge than me and like everybody else says..I hope to be wrong blah blah blah, sometimes your gut feeling is better than a bunch of explaining and I don’t see a reason to think this staff, as it is, will be winners.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Raider fan walks into a bar….
He notices there’s a fat lady sitting at the end of the bar singing….
December 7th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
John Madden advised Mark to seek out Ron Wolf and Ken Herrock’s advise. John didn’t directly advise to hire Reggie per se.
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He and Mark interviewed Reggie together.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
every gm has hits and misses with players. I wont grade him to harshly in that department util he has a real draft and a bit of cap space.
However the coaching hire is what is killing him.
allen sucks
December 7th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
God forgive me but I don’t know why I started to crack up when I heard a fan fell or jumped from the stands before the game started in Oakland.
I hope he or she is ok.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
qodrn1…
here are the predictions from week 11, i did the hunting for you
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SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
Raiders 33 – Bengals 27
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GG Says:
November 23rd, 2012 at 5:25 am
I think I won last week’s tipping contest.
This week…
Bengals 34
Raiders 16
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Raider E Says:
November 23rd, 2012 at 10:33 am
These guys have mailed it in. They are done playing for DA.
Bengals – 31
Raiders – 9
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Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 23rd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
I picked a Raider victory last week. F*ck it, I’m doing it again:
Raiders 20
Bengals 17
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MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 23rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
For DA’s sake
Raiders-27
Bengals-23
Reality
Raiders-27
Bengals-41
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Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
November 24th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Palmer is a loser.
A loser is a loser.
Bengals 45 Raiders 27
Just Win Baby.
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December 7th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Scourge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Raiders fan walk into a bar…..
Sees the bartender taking down Raider posters, pennants, jerseys and other memorabilia…..
Raider fan says “Why you taking all this stuff down?!”….
Bartender replies, “We can’t have people crying in here all the time. It’s bad for business.”
December 7th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
So Draftnics, When we end up with one of the top 3 picks in the 2013 draft….
Who would you take?
Would you trade down if it netted a lower #1 and a #2?
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Draft DE D Moore or trade down and draft CB Xavier Rhodes.
1- CB Xavier Rhodes
2- LB Alec Ogletree
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- RB Michael Dyer
December 7th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Here’s the thing that I didn’t appreciate recently from Reggie…
In that interview, he says he doesn’t wish the situation he walked into here on anyone and that the cap constraints were tough to overcome. Not a lot of cash, etc. Then, almost in the same sentence (or was it the same sentence?) he says, we’re not looking for excuses. LMFAO! Then WTF was that, Reggie? You mutter a bunch of excuses then say you’re not looking for excuses?
December 7th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
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December 7th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
KoolKell Says:
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Once-great-Raiders-have-lost-their-way-4098401.php#ixzz2EPasN65w
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You left out the most important part, about Gruden:
He didn’t burn his bridges in Oakland. That doesn’t mean he would walk back over them: He would have his choice of NFL jobs, with teams that are fully stocked and complete with modern facilities. He has already done his Raiders time. The rumor is a pipe dream.
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Yeah…….that’s another argument. I don’t think he’s coming either.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
(Don’t tell Steve)
December 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
John Madden advised Mark to seek out Ron Wolf and Ken Herrock’s advise. John didn’t directly advise to hire Reggie per se.
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He and Mark interviewed Reggie together.
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Yes, but he didn’t directly advise Mark about Reggie. He passed the buck to Ron and Herrock. They came up with Reggie. When the interview came up, Mark wanted John there. He sat in, but he didn’t say yay or nay about him. He left it up to Mark. Reggie’s name was brought forward by Ron Wolf.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
RaidingTexas Says: December 7th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
Thus we see why no one plays hard for DA
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I disagree. I thought they were playing hard last night. I didn’t see any McClainesque half-ass jogging around the field. They made plays, just not consistently. They were clearly overmatched by much better players.
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Of course you disagree because youre a DA didciple and I dont know why… The guys 3-10 and hes done nothing but gone backwards since hes gotten here. If you actually believe these players love DA youre dilusional, theyre playing for their jobs not for their coach because they love him so dearly. And that whole “better players” argument went out the window last week when we lost to the browns because they dont have better players than us and yet they still beat us. Its preparation and a lack of instilling confidence in your players, and not giving them reps or a chance to prove themselves no matter how hard they work does not instill confidence, its just a way to turn them against you because it makes them feel as though you have smething against them… DA is pathetic and his record proves it. Hes a shill get over it.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
RT, man, you’re on a roll!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
RockyMtnHigh Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
If CP goes down, who goes in?
What does that tell you?
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Lechler is the best option
December 7th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Ron Wolf could’ve been for the Reggie hire as it would’ve fast-tracked his son Eliot’s rise inside the Packers.
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I dont think that this has been discussed or looked into enough.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Thanks GG. I will reconstruct a little later today.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
God forgive me but I don’t know why I started to crack up when I heard a fan fell or jumped from the stands before the game started in Oakland.
I hope he or she is ok.
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LOL
Smart fan.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Here’s the thing that I didn’t appreciate recently from Reggie…
In that interview, he says he doesn’t wish the situation he walked into here on anyone and that the cap constraints were tough to overcome. Not a lot of cash, etc. Then, almost in the same sentence (or was it the same sentence?) he says, we’re not looking for excuses. LMFAO! Then WTF was that, Reggie? You mutter a bunch of excuses then say you’re not looking for excuses?
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Yep, another thing not sold on Reggie about. Plus some of the other stuff I mentioned. Basically, jury out on Reggie. Like but don’t like. Need to give 5 years to him, but afraid to as well.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
PAPA was on the radio today and is pissed all of the indvidual talent has regressed. DHB.. DMOORE.. said the coaching hasnt been the best for the RAiders since Gruden.
kiffin didnt wan JRUSS
Papa said one more interesting point. Most people think it would just be GRUDEN coming. Yes he says Gruden with the roster would have 3-4 more wins right now.
But he said GRUDEN would be coming with an Entire Staff of well respected experienced coachecs that could help each posistion group. He says coaching is IMPORTANT
Sounds like PAPA really doesnt think shyyt or much of DA
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Papa on prior drafts.
Before the draft JERRY JONES would call Al constantly about trading picks in the draft. He was prepared to send alot of PICKS the Raiders way for DARREN MCFADDEN and Al said HECK NO .. he was keeping that 4th overall pick
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So first Papa toes the company line and denies the Gruden reports…
…Now he’s basically marketing why Gruden would be a good fit.
Sounds to me like the groundwork is being laid for a return of Chucky.
Seriously, if Chucky is back, I buy season tickets the same day. I havent had season tickets since 07. (I had them from 2000-2007).
December 7th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
A Raider fan walks into a bar.
The bar bounces off him, and then breaks downfield for another 37 yards. The other Raiders fans that should have been in position to stop the bar were tied up in the doorways of the wrong bars.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
They came up with Reggie. When the interview came up, Mark wanted John there. He sat in, but he didn’t say yay or nay about him. He left it up to Mark.
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Now, how do you know what John said to Mark?????????
December 7th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Ron Wolf could’ve been for the Reggie hire as it would’ve fast-tracked his son Eliot’s rise inside the Packers.
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I dont think that this has been discussed or looked into enough.
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Exactly. If Ron was truly going to nominate THE best candidate to Mark, he would’ve said, “my son Eliot”.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
I think we’re gonna have to ride with McKenzie and probably Allen for a couple years …. Hopefully they get it right….. Just don’t see a a gruden return happening
December 7th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
On this roster he is a keeper. On an NFL roster he is probably on the practice squad.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Raider fan walks into a bar.
At the end of the bar he sees an elephant. The elephant’s crying.
The Raider fan asks the elephant: Why are you crying?
Elephant: I’ve been to all the Raider games this year!
Fan: So, what’s the trouble?
Elephant: Don’t you know? Elephants never forget!
December 7th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
You may all get your wish in about three weeks,..Mark might just fire everyone,..hand the keys to Jon Gruden,..then tell you all he will never get advice from out of touch old timers again. I hope Reg stays, but hey, Mark may have more Al in him then we thought. My best case scenario is keep reg as roster boss, hire Jon as head coach.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Here’s the thing that I didn’t appreciate recently from Reggie…
In that interview, he says he doesn’t wish the situation he walked into here on anyone and that the cap constraints were tough to overcome. Not a lot of cash, etc. Then, almost in the same sentence (or was it the same sentence?) he says, we’re not looking for excuses. LMFAO! Then WTF was that, Reggie? You mutter a bunch of excuses then say you’re not looking for excuses?
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Yep, another thing not sold on Reggie about. Plus some of the other stuff I mentioned. Basically, jury out on Reggie. Like but don’t like. Need to give 5 years to him, but afraid to as well.
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Not sold on Reggie? But let me ask, we’re you sold on Al Davis?
We gave Al plenty of chances. He sold us plenty of hope. But his draft record and constant coach firings speaks for itself.
Be frustrated with this season all you like, but lets not act like things were great prior to Reggie.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
They came up with Reggie. When the interview came up, Mark wanted John there. He sat in, but he didn’t say yay or nay about him. He left it up to Mark.
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Now, how do you know what John said to Mark?????????
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Because John himself said he didn’t tell Mark yes/no. He sat in, listened, was there for Mark to bounce questions off, and that he left the decision entirely up to Mark.
Google it. You’ll find an article I’m sure where John explains it all to the media.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Here’s the thing that I didn’t appreciate recently from Reggie…
In that interview, he says he doesn’t wish the situation he walked into here on anyone and that the cap constraints were tough to overcome. Not a lot of cash, etc. Then, almost in the same sentence (or was it the same sentence?) he says, we’re not looking for excuses. LMFAO! Then WTF was that, Reggie? You mutter a bunch of excuses then say you’re not looking for excuses?
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Yep, another thing not sold on Reggie about. Plus some of the other stuff I mentioned. Basically, jury out on Reggie. Like but don’t like. Need to give 5 years to him, but afraid to as well.
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I agree. Too early to make a determination on Big Reg, but hit or miss at this point. The coaching staff on the other hand is garbage. Time to move on, Reggie and Mark.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Bob did you see any of the semis at the tailgate or the game
December 7th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
You may all get your wish in about three weeks,..Mark might just fire everyone,..hand the keys to Jon Gruden,..then tell you all he will never get advice from out of touch old timers again. I hope Reg stays, but hey, Mark may have more Al in him then we thought. My best case scenario is keep reg as roster boss, hire Jon as head coach.
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I hope this happens Bob.
Mark as owner keeping things in the family
Amy as the muscle
Reggie as GM
Jon as HC
Gannon as QB coach with Pryor
December 7th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
You may all get your wish in about three weeks,..Mark might just fire everyone,..hand the keys to Jon Gruden,..then tell you all he will never get advice from out of touch old timers again. I hope Reg stays, but hey, Mark may have more Al in him then we thought. My best case scenario is keep reg as roster boss, hire Jon as head coach.
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Completely agree on your best case.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Good one, Z! Very appropriate!
December 7th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Fingers is probably right,..its prolly going to shake out that Mark uses this year as a wash out year, next year start rebuilding,..if he sees progress then maybe Reg and Dennis stick around together for a while,..if they go 8-8 next year, better at years end then beginning, well then theres hope. But if Mark is more like Al then we thought, in three weeks ya heads might roll.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Either way KNAPP must go. if he is coming back next year were already know how it will play out.
LAST IN RUSHING
NO creative plays
THe same 10 plays run every game.. and 4 wins max
Mark must get a respectable HC in here.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
Of course you disagree because youre a DA didciple and I dont know why…
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You label anyone not on this “tits” bandwagon as a DA disciple. That’s not true at all. I have stated before that DA may not be the answer. I just don’t think a coach can be evaluated well when he’s got 10-15 starters who should be on a practice squad.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Riff… Exactly… This teams been in or close to the tank for more than a decade
December 7th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Isaw nobody last night no Plunk.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
Of course you disagree because youre a DA didciple and I dont know why…
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You label anyone not on this “tits” bandwagon as a DA disciple. That’s not true at all. I have stated before that DA may not be the answer. I just don’t think a coach can be evaluated well when he’s got 10-15 starters who should be on a practice squad.
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Bingo.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Raider fan walks into a bar….
He sees KoolKell sitting at the end of the bar.
KoolKell has a parrot on his shoulder.
Raider fan walks up to KK and say: Hey, man, why do you have a parrot on your shoulder…..
December 7th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Because John himself said he didn’t tell Mark yes/no. He sat in, listened, was there for Mark to bounce questions off, and that he left the decision entirely up to Mark.
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So he interviewed Reggie, and had absolutely no opinion afterwards? Believe that if you want to.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Al owned the Raiders
Reggie doesn’t
We didn’t give Al chances. We had no choice.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
I didnt even see Brien, but he was there.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
I think we’re all mostly in agreement….Reggie jury out, gotta give him 5 years, but admit we’re worried about him too…but definitely Allen/staff need to be cleaned out.
Basically…Reggie + Gruden and his own staff > Reggie + Allen and his staff.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Kell,..please, you have no idea about what you say went down in any interview,..doesnt matter how many times to Google it, you werent there,..and heres a tip,..everything you get from Google isnt true.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
You know what Id like to see at least one time?
A T-Formation with Pryor at QB, and McFadden, Reece, and Jones in the backfield. With Myers and Ausberry as the 2 TE’s on the ends. This is what they should have been throwing our in preseason. So many possible looks.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Yeah fire everyone. Start all over. That strategy has worked well for us the past 11 years….
December 7th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
I’m riding along with the Raiders…. If Reggie’s driving the car then I’m a passenger until we get a better driver … Or run into a wall …either way its outta our hands …. Time… Gonna take some time
December 7th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Because John himself said he didn’t tell Mark yes/no. He sat in, listened, was there for Mark to bounce questions off, and that he left the decision entirely up to Mark.
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So he interviewed Reggie, and had absolutely no opinion afterwards? Believe that if you want to.
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So, you’re now going to dispute John’s own word on the matter? Just look for the article, and read yourself, then tell me what you think. I could’ve mis-remembered what he said, I could’ve been wrong. I could’ve been right and did remember it properly. But find it and read it.
Just don’t tell me “I’m not going to believe whatever John Madden himself said”
December 7th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Kell,..please, you have no idea about what you say went down in any interview,..
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And neither do you.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Before all of you jump on the Gruden bandwagon, realize that he’s never successfully built a winning team of his own. Whn he came to Oakland he had a talent laden team with a mobile QB. He coached them well & they played well. I too loved his fiery attitude on the sidelines and his Raider face. But, he’s never come from where we are to a winning team. When he took over the Bucs he was inheriting Tony Dungee’s well stocked team. I just don’t think Gruden is the answer right now. I’m not sold on DOA or RM but I’m willing to give them another year as long as Knapp, Hoffman & Pollack get fired. short of that I’d rather see David Shaw as HC, Willie Shaw, his dad, as DC & Norv Turner as OC. That other guy from the Oregon Ducks is also a potential candidate for HC.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
JLofty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Yeah fire everyone. Start all over. That strategy has worked well for us the past 11 years….
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Name one coach from the past 11 years that had success with another team. Please don’t say Norv.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
I SEEN THE MAD MAN INSIDE.HE STOPPED BY MY SEAT LOCATION.WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BEER WITH U BOB,POSSABLY AT THE KC GAME.WE R IN A-LOT ALSO.WERE RIGHT UNDER THAT LADDER STRUCTURE YESTERDAY..
December 7th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Mark is going to have to do something to show the dwindling fanbase he’s not content with being the laughingstock…Gruden would do that, plus he’d have to show a financial comittment to gruden that would prove he’s serious…hiring no name HC’s is anything but that.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
And last night… It doesn’t seem like it but their were some good things as well… I saw improvement here and there
December 7th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
ry Some Reality Says: December 7th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
PAPA was on the radio today and is pissed all of the indvidual talent has regressed. DHB.. DMOORE.. said the coaching hasnt been the best for the RAiders since Gruden.
kiffin didnt wan JRUSS
Papa said one more interesting point. Most people think it would just be GRUDEN coming. Yes he says Gruden with the roster would have 3-4 more wins right now.
But he said GRUDEN would be coming with an Entire Staff of well respected experienced coachecs that could help each posistion group. He says coaching is IMPORTANT
Sounds like PAPA really doesnt think shyyt or much of DA
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Coaching is incredibly important. You don’t round up talent and just say “have at it. win us some games”. The Raider teams of the 90s can tell you that.
SMH at people in here that blow it all off and blame it all on the players. This is a coaching failure on all levels. These players are ill-prepared.
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Exactly, and it said a lot when most of the raider greats come out and question coaching. Papa, raymond chester, lo neal, Deion sanders, hell even bill romo seems to be coming around to questioning this staff. People act like we have an arena team playing in the nfl when we dont, because if we were truly awful as we are now theres no way we should have been competitive as we were the previous 2 seasons.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
I think we’re all mostly in agreement….Reggie jury out, gotta give him 5 years, but admit we’re worried about him too…but definitely Allen/staff need to be cleaned out.
Basically…Reggie + Gruden and his own staff > Reggie + Allen and his staff.
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I wouldnt say we’re all in agreement. Some of us wont give up on the current coaching staff for the same reasons Reggie shouldnt be so prematurely judged. We all believe that they walked into a impossible situation. We all know Hue wanted to gut this team. Hue was just a year further along in knowing who he wanted to get rid of and who he wanted to build around. Hue’s team may have even taken a step back this year or stayed pat at 8-8 (which actually would have been a improvement considering the schedule).
Big changes were needed. Hue knew that. And now Reggie and DA know it too.
But the one thing I do think we’re all in agreeance on is that Gruden and his own staff would be preferred over just about anyone else.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
JB?…who was the mobile QB Jon inherited?…Jeff George?…huh?
December 7th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Scourge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Raider fan walks into a bar….
He sees KoolKell sitting at the end of the bar.
KoolKell has a parrot on his shoulder.
Raider fan walks up to KK and say: Hey, man, why do you have a parrot on your shoulder…..
KK says, “He has the entire broadcast of the 1984 Super Bowl memorized and recites it back to me nonstop. This bird is therapy.”
December 7th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
@99: but that would take imaginative thinking, a ton of practice and work and that does not appear to be the MO of one Greg Knappy…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Mark is going to have to do something to show the dwindling fanbase he’s not content with being the laughingstock…Gruden would do that, plus he’d have to show a financial comittment to gruden that would prove he’s serious…hiring no name HC’s is anything but that.
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Signing Gruden to a 10 year deal and getting some sort of pre-agreement on a new stadium in Oakland = instant waiting list for tickets.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
“In 2011, Oakland’s offense ranked among the NFL leaders in rushing (7th; 131.9), total offense (9th; 379.5) and passing (11th; 247.6). In addition, the Raiders tied for seventh in the league in rushing touchdowns (16) and tied for fifth in the NFL with 14 completions of 40 or more yards.”
Kind of crazy to see those #’s now.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Scourge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Raider fan walks into a bar….
He sees KoolKell sitting at the end of the bar.
KoolKell has a parrot on his shoulder.
Raider fan walks up to KK and say: Hey, man, why do you have a parrot on your shoulder…..
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Is this the one where the parrot speaks up & says “well, it all started as a wart on my a$$”.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Hot dam. Just realized that if I double-tap the top of my iPhone screen it takes me back to the top of the page.
Sorry, I’m kinda slow.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
So, you’re now going to dispute John’s own word on the matter? Just look for the article, and read yourself, then tell me what you think. I could’ve mis-remembered what he said, I could’ve been wrong. I could’ve been right and did remember it properly. But find it and read it.
Just don’t tell me “I’m not going to believe whatever John Madden himself said”
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You can read that the way you want to. I know damned well after interviewing the guy,. he had an opinion, and offered it to Mark. Did he have the final say? no. But I know damned well he gave his opinion. Or else why the fk ask him there, C’mon man.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
There was an old Raider GM who lived in a shoe.
He had so many suck-ass coaches, he didn;t know what to do.
Then one day the owner stuck his foot in the shoe.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
A Gruden return is a must at this point. It would be nice to be in a position to have playoff hopes with another 3 or 4 wins. Papa knows something. We need a lot of changes for next season because the schedule is brutal – Coach Allen, Knapp, and Tarver will not be able to deal with Houston, Indy, Dallas, and the New York Giants on the road – And Washington, Philly,Tennessee and Peyton Manning again at home. Young Davis and Reggie have their work cut out for them. It could be years before this team is playoff worthy with the current coaching staff and lack of FOOTBALL PLAYERS.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Fingers Says:
And last night… It doesn’t seem like it but their were some good things as well… I saw improvement here and there
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Anybody who didn’t see that improvement just already has their mind made up. They say it all the time, it comes down to a handful of plays in a game. Take away the third down Branch dropped INT turned into defensive holding automatic first down and the Carson pick at the goal line, you possibly have a much different game.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
JB?…who was the mobile QB Jon inherited?…Jeff George?…huh?
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I consider Rich Gannon as mobile. I believe he came on as Gruden came on. Technically I guess he wasn’t inherited but rather acquired.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
JB Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Before all of you jump on the Gruden bandwagon, realize that he’s never successfully built a winning team of his own. Whn he came to Oakland he had a talent laden team with a mobile QB.
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You miss on some points, but your main one is valid. Gruden has never built his own team. TB went down hill after Dungey, but a lot of that could be the fault of the cheap ownership. You have to take that into consideration.
It’s hard to say that Gruden didnt build us up. He inherited a 4-12 team. Lets be real, he did build us. But he did it with Al Davis’s help. Al for a short while, was really on top of his game and gave it everything he had.
Al never should have let Bruce Allen and Gruden walk. That was the perfect time for Al to let go of the reigns and pass things along. It would have been in safe hands.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
RaiderO: It appears Tom Cable is the Asst Head Coach of a winning team that is on track to make the playoffs….
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
JB Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
JB?…who was the mobile QB Jon inherited?…Jeff George?…huh?
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I consider Rich Gannon as mobile. I believe he came on as Gruden came on. Technically I guess he wasn’t inherited but rather acquired.
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Gruden inherited Jeff George
Gruden brought in Gannon
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Gannon and Gruden didnt come the same year dude.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
JB Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Before all of you jump on the Gruden bandwagon, realize that he’s never successfully built a winning team of his own. Whn he came to Oakland he had a talent laden team with a mobile QB. He coached them well & they played well. I too loved his fiery attitude on the sidelines and his Raider face. But, he’s never come from where we are to a winning team. When he took over the Bucs he was inheriting Tony Dungee’s well stocked team. I just don’t think Gruden is the answer right now. I’m not sold on DOA or RM but I’m willing to give them another year as long as Knapp, Hoffman & Pollack get fired. short of that I’d rather see David Shaw as HC, Willie Shaw, his dad, as DC & Norv Turner as OC. That other guy from the Oregon Ducks is also a potential candidate for HC.
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I really liked Willie Shaw.
Don’t know why He was let go.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
December 7th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Jon won games with loser George and Don Hollis.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Frankly we’ve not had much in the way of decent coaches since Al traded away Jon Gruden.
But Norv DID have some success with the Chargirls…he’s just a terrible HC who should’ve remained a OC.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
JB Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Before all of you jump on the Gruden bandwagon, realize that he’s never successfully built a winning team of his own. Whn he came to Oakland he had a talent laden team with a mobile QB. He coached them well & they played well. I too loved his fiery attitude on the sidelines and his Raider face. But, he’s never come from where we are to a winning team. When he took over the Bucs he was inheriting Tony Dungee’s well stocked team. I just don’t think Gruden is the answer right now. I’m not sold on DOA or RM but I’m willing to give them another year as long as Knapp, Hoffman & Pollack get fired. short of that I’d rather see David Shaw as HC, Willie Shaw, his dad, as DC & Norv Turner as OC. That other guy from the Oregon Ducks is also a potential candidate for HC.
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I really liked Willie Shaw.
Don’t know why He was let go.
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Willie Shaw was GREAT.
He implemented a Zone Blitz back when that was sort of new. Al hated it. Shaw had to go.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim
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Gruden as HC only? Or Gruden controlling everything. You need that one detail.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
“In 2011, Oakland’s offense ranked among the NFL leaders in rushing (7th; 131.9), total offense (9th; 379.5) and passing (11th; 247.6). In addition, the Raiders tied for seventh in the league in rushing touchdowns (16) and tied for fifth in the NFL with 14 completions of 40 or more yards.”
Kind of crazy to see those #’s now.
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Strange what a lil good coaching and scheming will do for an offense.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
DON’T be talking $hit about my MAN DONALD HOLLIS. Dude was GREAT, just held down and back by the MAN…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
#119 – LOL Scourge
December 7th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
RT & JB…good ones!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
I entered for a chance to win autographed cleats by Houston and tickets to watch the Chiefs game from a suite in Oakland.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Madden Interview
http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2012/01/13/madden-said-he-didnt-talk-much-in-six-hour-mckenzie-interview/
December 7th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Gruden had Josh Johnson and never got him into the game on packages or developed him into a starter. Gruden at the time was conservative thru his career, always preferring old worn out vets to get him wins.
That’s the only issue I have with Gruden and Pryor.
However, a reason for hope too, is that since Tebow, Newton, RGIII all entered the NFL, Gruden has expressed an eagerness to get back to coaching and learn the Triple Option offense. To hybrid it with what he already knows, a la Mike Shanahan.
So there’s hope for Pryor in a Gruden offense. But also trepidation knowing Gruden’s past too.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
To say Jon Gruden didn’t (help) build the millenium edition of the Oakland Raiders is wrong and dis-ingenuous.
He did fall pretty flat on his face in Tampon though…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
You can read that the way you want to. I know damned well after interviewing the guy,. he had an opinion, and offered it to Mark. Did he have the final say? no. But I know damned well he gave his opinion. Or else why the fk ask him there, C’mon man.
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When has Madden ever NOT had an opinion.
I can’t believe Madden didn’t provide insight.
Might have even turned on the telestrator.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
A Raiders fan walks into a bar.
He sees the Autumn Wind (who everyone knows is a pirate) standing at the bar. The Autumn Wind has an old ship’s steering wheel attached to his front with his d!k sticking through the hole in the center. The Raiders fan says, “What’s up with the wheel?”
The Autumn Wind replies [read this in your best pirate's voice], “Aaaaargh. This wheel be representin’ the Raiders season. It’s drivin’ me nuts!”
December 7th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Gruden had Josh Johnson and never got him into the game on packages or developed him into a starter. Gruden at the time was conservative thru his career, always preferring old worn out vets to get him wins.
That’s the only issue I have with Gruden and Pryor.
However, a reason for hope too, is that since Tebow, Newton, RGIII all entered the NFL, Gruden has expressed an eagerness to get back to coaching and learn the Triple Option offense. To hybrid it with what he already knows, a la Mike Shanahan.
So there’s hope for Pryor in a Gruden offense. But also trepidation knowing Gruden’s past too.
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True.
Gruden has been looking for another Gannon ever since the Raiders. First with Garcia and then with Gradkowski.
But if Gruden is interested, I think he, Gannon, and Paul Hacket could turn Pryor into a world-beater. Pryor is eager to learn and put in the work. And those are the guys to teach it.
But like you said, does Jon have the patience? History says, no.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Also, what people don’t realize, again it’s out there if you look for it….is that Al Davis brought Rich Gannon to Jon Gruden’s attention. Rich Gannon was a Chief at the time, and Al had seen him and knew about him. When Jon requested of Al he wanted a good vet QB, Al brought Gannon to the attention of Jon, and Jon ended up liking him.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Gruden as HC only? Or Gruden controlling everything. You need that one detail.
———————————I envision Reg giving Gruden alot of input. But mainly with Gruden as HC
December 7th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
I really liked Willie Shaw.
Don’t know why He was let go.
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What I remember about Shaw is, He coached very aggressively for 3 and a half qtrs, then at the end of the game he would go vanilla with the dreaded “Prevent Defense” Thats what got him fired imo, I remember fans complaining about that.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Agreed GG. Developing QB’s is diff to do. However his brother appears to be doing a FINE job of it in Cincinatty…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
None of the coaches we fired the past 11 years are having success as HCs. Norv inherited a good team, he didn’t do anything with it, and that’s why he is on the hot seat.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Why arent more people weighing in on Jim’s poll?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
JLofty Says:
To say Jon Gruden didn’t (help) build the millenium edition of the Oakland Raiders is wrong and dis-ingenuous.
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Correct. He was the primary guy pushing to draft Marques Tuiasosopo and Jerry Porter.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Gruden-Yes
December 7th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
None of the coaches we fired the past 11 years are having success as HCs. Norv inherited a good team, he didn’t do anything with it, and that’s why he is on the hot seat.
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Norv did pretty well in SanDiusky until ownership got cheap and started cutting payroll.
AJ Smith is a great GM. But it’s hard to keep talent when ownership wont let you spend money.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
B Says: December 7th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Before all of you jump on the Gruden bandwagon, realize that he’s never successfully built a winning team of his own. Whn he came to Oakland he had a talent laden team with a mobile QB. He coached them well & they played well. I too loved his fiery attitude on the sidelines and his Raider face. But, he’s never come from where we are to a winning team. When he took over the Bucs he was inheriting Tony Dungee’s well stocked team. I just don’t think Gruden is the answer right now. I’m not sold on DOA or RM but I’m willing to give them another year as long as Knapp, Hoffman & Pollack get fired. short of that I’d rather see David Shaw as HC, Willie Shaw, his dad, as DC & Norv Turner as OC. That other guy from the Oregon Ducks is also a potential candidate for HC.
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Yea so lets all stay on the DA bandwagon because he has proven he can build a team right? Lol hilarious the case made for DA against gruden is pointless because DA has proven nothing except that hes a 3-10 coach and an uncompetitive one at that. You maybe right in the fact that gruden hss never built a yeam from scratch but thats not his fault and until hes put in a situation where he has to you cant say he wouldnt be successful at doing so either. Weve seen Da attempt to though on the other hand and its nothing to write home about. DA has been an utter disaster, failure, sham, mockery you name it. The guy is just awful thats all hes proven thus far.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
JLofty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Agreed GG. Developing QB’s is diff to do. However his brother appears to be doing a FINE job of it in Cincinatty…
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If Jon can bring Jay over, but I can see Jon and Jay also wanting to be like the Harbaughs. HC’ing their own teams and having Gruden Bowls and prime time focus. I think Jay is close to being a HC candidate next year.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Jon fell flat on his face in Tampa?…if he fell he probably tripped over that Lombardi trophy he won.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
December 7th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
I am not a big fan of HC as GM (total control). That RARELY works out well. There’s too much work to be done in both positions for one person no matter how smart and hard working they think they are…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
156
I was about to chime in with the same response. Lol
December 7th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
commitment to futility
December 7th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Jon fell flat on his face in Tampa?…if he fell he probably tripped over that Lombardi trophy he won.
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I take it youre a vote for Chucky as well?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
I still think Reg and Gruden can work together.
This is all pure speculation anyway.
I personally think Gruden would give the fan base instant excitment and something to look forward too.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Jon fell flat on his face in Tampa?…if he fell he probably tripped over that Lombardi trophy he won.
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With Dungy’s and Kiffin’s D. Remember the Rhonde Barber int that sealed the victory for TB vs the Eagles.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Take this coaching staff and give them their choice of any other team out there to coach and see what happens. Regression.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
My vote?…what does my name here tell you Einstein?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Well Gruden did a fine job that first year with a veteran team but how long did he sustain that success?
The point is creating and sustaining success in the NFL is NOT easy.
Even one the most savvy, creative football in the history of football had a hard time sustaining/re-achieving it in the last 30something years of his life…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
– Cornerback Michael Huff suffered a wrist injury against the Broncos and missed a large portion of the game. Allen said X-rays on Huff’s wrist returned negative. He is scheduled to undergo an MRI today.
“I don’t think it’s a major issue, but we’ll kind of have to wait and see,” Allen said.
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So that is why I didn’t see him getting burned later in the fame like ge did early.
Pos bust.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Madden Interview
http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2012/01/13/madden-said-he-didnt-talk-much-in-six-hour-mckenzie-interview/
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Thanks for finding it and posting it. Confirms what I said. In the video, Madden says it, I threw a thought out there, but it was entirely Mark’s decision etc.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
I still think Reg and Gruden can work together.
This is all pure speculation anyway.
I personally think Gruden would give the fan base instant excitment and something to look forward too.
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I definitely think they can work together.
The difficult thing is that it basically means that Mark is stepping on Reggie. Forcing him to fire the 2nd coach in as many offseasons. That isnt such a good thing for their relationship.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
EastOakland,..Tony and Monte had years to get it done,…couldnt,..Jon got it done.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
most savvy, creative football *minds*
December 7th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
December 7th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Give this staff 3 years to coach the Pats, Pack, Falcons, Texans etc. Those teams would be worse off after that time. Regression.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
December 7th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
First of my condolences to Coach Allen for the loss of his father and mentor.
However, back to football and business,I along with many other Raider fans are realising that DA and maybe REG are not up to the job. This “team” was not in total shambles that they inherited, nor was it a Super Bowl bound squad either, but it definateley had a foundation that they could build on, with an above average O Line, running and passing game. Our problems were certainly on defense, but they were addressed with the acquisition of retreads, and holding onto malcontents. Watching Raider games, we could see the players that bust their hump, while others were there simply for the paycheck. Our “new” Raiders have simply become predictable, and honestly boring. I’m an old fart Raider fan of 32 years, who realises that things change, and I’m also willing to accept these changes for the positive, but it hurts when I see other franchises like the Colts ( with a rookie QB and coach), and the Texans, and even our hated Broncs turn it around in a matter of a couple seasons.
From a business point Mark had to have noticed the reaction from RAIDERNATION to the lighting of his father’s memorial flame by Jon Gruden. Here is an ex-RAIDERS coach who humiliated us in Super Bowl 2002, any other coach would have been burned at Al’s stake for all to see, yet we shower the guy with adulation. Why? Because he is the closest we’ve had to getting the RAIDERS back to domination. Whether we like him, or are wary of him, he is probably the only guy who understands “THE OAKLAND RAIDER NATION” and organisation, and what effort it takes to turn it around. Besides, he still has some unfinished business with Mr. Brady and Belichek.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
December 7th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
yes….
December 7th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Might as well put Papa as a yes vote too,..his favorite beer drinking buddy.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
I vote yes for gruden, mark me down.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
yes
December 7th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
EastOakland,..Tony and Monte had years to get it done,…couldnt,..Jon got it done.
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Dungy was a cosistent winner, Gruden went downhill fast, from SB winner to 5-11, meanwhile Dungy goes to Indy and gets his SB.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Thats 6 votes Yes, 0 votes no. Someone needs to forward this to Amy and Mark once the tally gets in the triple digits.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Good one, Z!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
December 7th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Did one of you guys bet that dude he wouldn’t jump from the third deck?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
9-0
December 7th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
I’m down with Gruden as a HC.
His positives, in light of what we currently have, outweigh the negative.
Great Business decision and improved overall competence.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
If Goodson doesn’t run that kick outta the end zone I don’t believe barns allows Miller to sack Carson at the 2 yard line …. Goodson should have stayed in the end zone IMO
December 7th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Hey Im hip, Dungys an awesome coach,..but Jon got the ring in TB.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
This pile of hot garbage on the field is a product of the coaching staff.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Yes to gruden as head coach with limited personnel power.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Gruden was great at building offenses. It was his forte. He was good at finding the right talent and the right coaches — remember he brought over Callahan who did wonders with that offensive line.
Where Gruden lacked was on the defensive side of the ball. That worked out well with the Raiders, because that’s where Al always focused and micromanaged. Al all but appointed the defensive coaching staff and personnel and Gruden stayed out of the way.
Unfortunately, through Gruden’s years with the Raiders, as the offense improved the defense slowly declined due to neglect. While offense gets you to the party, defense wins championships.
When Gruden went to Tampa, it was the ideal situation for him. Dungy, the anti-Gruden, had built up THE dominant defense in Tampa for years. But he could never even get his offense to the mediocre level. In the first year, the window was ideal for Gruden to make the offense decent enough to win with that monster defense. In the subsequent years, Gruden’s focus on continually improving that offense lead to the declapse of the defense and the team returned to mediocrity.
This is the thing that scares me the most about Gruden returning as anything greater than the OC, unless it also includes personnel decision making power around offensive players to fit his system. The only way I’d see it working is for Reggie to set very firm guidelines around who is the DC and how much attention is spent on that side of the ball.
Aside from the fact that it probably wouldn’t happen due to ego reasons, an ideal situation would be to have Allen drop down to the DC role, maybe with some Asst HC responsibilities. Gruden as HC could bring in his guys on the offensive coaching side.
The theory is that DA, with a year more experience and a more focused charter on just defense, can do more to bring this unit back to respectability. He also knows exactly which players he’d want to eject and which to keep with his season of working with them. Plus, the painful hit of the 2012 cap purge will start to pay off in 2013, which means DA, Gruden and Reggie can target some legit talent to start bringing in.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
10-0
December 7th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Plain and simple though, I think this team has failed because reggie tried to change so much so soon and not because it really needed to be changed but just for the sake of change and thats why were free falling.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
If Goodson doesnt run,..come on,…if Denver wanted to the score last night could have been 55-13
December 7th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Reggie & DA in “Lock step”? Ugh.
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No, not with us? Good. In fact I hope 90% of “Raider fans” would fukk off.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Bring back Gruden…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
A big decision Mark has to make as well…
Share Santa Clara at minimal to no cost (but be the submissive franchise in NorCal), or have his own in LA as the prime team of the 9M populace region (but percentage of ownership traded in).
If Mark can somehow coerce AEG/Kronske to forego the percentage ownership, or management say, then that could be most likely.
It’s going to be very unlikely to get a football-only stadium built in Oakland even with $200M pledge from Goodell. Unless Mark uses his own money.
Mark has some big decisions to make — Gruden is a key tho whether Oakland, Santa Clara or LA.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
Dakota – yes
11-0
December 7th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Riff… I’m down with Gruden… Hell yeah
December 7th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Gruden didn’t build that Tampon Bay supabo team but he did come in and make it better, figured out what do with that offense and put them over the top.
But I will go to my deathbed with the firm belief that Jon Gruden’s Oakland Raiders of 2002 would have beaten the $#it out of that Tampon Bay team in same Supabo.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
Dakota – yes
Kirk – yes
12-0
December 7th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Plain and simple though, I think this team has failed because reggie tried to change so much so soon and not because it really needed to be changed but just for the sake of change and thats why were free falling.
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This team has failed because of Greg Knapp.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
Dakota – yes
Kirk – yes
Fingers – yes
13-0
December 7th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
I hadda good one that KK would like but every time I post it, it doesn’t appear. Duplicate post it says but I change it a little and it still doesn’t come up.
Darn mods!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Good posts…
Raiderjambo Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
First of my condolences to Coach Allen for the loss of his father and mentor.
However, back to football and business,I along with many other Raider fans are realising that DA and maybe REG are not up to the job. This “team” was not in total shambles that they inherited, nor was it a Super Bowl bound squad either, but it definateley had a foundation that they could build on, with an above average O Line, running and passing game. Our problems were certainly on defense, but they were addressed with the acquisition of retreads, and holding onto malcontents. Watching Raider games, we could see the players that bust their hump, while others were there simply for the paycheck. Our “new” Raiders have simply become predictable, and honestly boring. I’m an old fart Raider fan of 32 years, who realises that things change, and I’m also willing to accept these changes for the positive, but it hurts when I see other franchises like the Colts ( with a rookie QB and coach), and the Texans, and even our hated Broncs turn it around in a matter of a couple seasons.
From a business point Mark had to have noticed the reaction from RAIDERNATION to the lighting of his father’s memorial flame by Jon Gruden. Here is an ex-RAIDERS coach who humiliated us in Super Bowl 2002, any other coach would have been burned at Al’s stake for all to see, yet we shower the guy with adulation. Why? Because he is the closest we’ve had to getting the RAIDERS back to domination. Whether we like him, or are wary of him, he is probably the only guy who understands “THE OAKLAND RAIDER NATION” and organisation, and what effort it takes to turn it around. Besides, he still has some unfinished business with Mr. Brady and Belichek.
++++++++++++ This…
nwr8r Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Give this staff 3 years to coach the Pats, Pack, Falcons, Texans etc. Those teams would be worse off after that time. Regression.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
GG = a yes btw, obviously
December 7th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
We’d have had another ring if not for that tuck rule BS …
December 7th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
JLofty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Gruden didn’t build that Tampon Bay supabo team but he did come in and make it better, figured out what do with that offense and put them over the top.
But I will go to my deathbed with the firm belief that Jon Gruden’s Oakland Raiders of 2002 would have beaten the $#it out of that Tampon Bay team in same Supabo.
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So what’s your vote?
You going to be the one guy that says no?
Who do you suggest instead. Who is not only going to sell tickets and settle the fan base down, but also has a winning history with our club.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
GRUDEN – Put me also down for yes!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Raider Riff Says:
Someone needs to forward this to Amy and Mark once the tally gets in the triple digits.
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That’s a low bar. I know Raider Nation has shrunk over the last couple of decades, but is it that bad?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Dakota Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Did one of you guys bet that dude he wouldn’t jump from the third deck?
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I heard the guy bet what rent money he had left on the Raiders to cover the spread.
Home dogs cover. When he realized his screw up what other choice did he have?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Another brilliant post…
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Plain and simple though, I think this team has failed because reggie tried to change so much so soon and not because it really needed to be changed but just for the sake of change and thats why were free falling.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
Dakota – yes
Kirk – yes
Fingers – yes
GG – yes
14-0
Wow. Has there ever been anything we’ve all agreed upon? We’d argue the color of the sky if we had a chance.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
Dakota – yes
Kirk – yes
Fingers – yes
GG – yes
RaiderJambo – yes
15-0
December 7th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Plain and simple though, I think this team has failed because reggie tried to change so much so soon and not because it really needed to be changed but just for the sake of change and thats why were free falling.
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Have you watched the team the last 10 years? You call this free falling? How about the other 9 and a half years?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Hey Zymurge, sell sanity and reason some place else. This is no place for well-thought out postings…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Yep , we’re free falling but I’m still hoping the emergency Chute opens in time
December 7th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
thanks for playing!
Had no idea.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
In the first preseason game, they couldn’t run the ball, couldn’t convert 3rd downs, couldn’t score in the Red Zone.
They STILL can’t. Not the slightest bit of progress.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
I highly doubt Mark will share that stadium with the Niners,…if so, 8 games in that stadium will be locally televised while 8 get blacked out,..thats way too embarrassing,…a shared stadium with the Niners is out of the question. The Niners are built to win for the next decade or so, while it will be years before the Raiders will be near that,..you cant share with them, no friggin way.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Raider Riff Says:
Someone needs to forward this to Amy and Mark once the tally gets in the triple digits.
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That’s a low bar. I know Raider Nation has shrunk over the last couple of decades, but is it that bad?
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Corporations love polls. They also tend to be quite accurate, triple digits is enough of a sample size, especially on a blog like this.
Whats your vote btw?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
IM DEAD AGAINST MARK SHARING A STADIUM WITH THE WHINERS!!!! On principle alone.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Riff, I got no problem with Jon Gruden. Although I agree with Zymurge that something would need to be done on the D side of the equation…
The poll is silly though and the sky is indigo
December 7th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
Dakota – yes
Kirk – yes
Fingers – yes
GG – yes
RaiderJambo – yes
JLofty – yes
16-0
December 7th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
JLofty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Hey Zymurge, sell sanity and reason some place else. This is no place for well-thought out postings…
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I know, I know. But I’m sitting through a less than enthralling meeting with my laptop open and, well, you know ….
December 7th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Silly or not, its fun to do. And if the number gets high enough, maybe Bob will forward it over to his buddies at the front office.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Naturally, I’m against it too. As is Mark, Amy etc. Just saying Mark has some tough decisions to make. Gruden firstly is the right first step towards the second step of getting that new stadium.
His only choices are Santa Clara, Oakland, LA. And there are cons with all of them, and each one has various pros to them as well.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Naw , Raiders need their own crib…. Don’t need no whiter roomies …
December 7th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
In the first preseason game, they couldn’t run the ball, couldn’t convert 3rd downs, couldn’t score in the Red Zone.
They STILL can’t. Not the slightest bit of progress.
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They scored a TD the one time they got in the red zone yesterday. That’s 100%. LOL
December 7th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
In the first preseason game, they couldn’t run the ball, couldn’t convert 3rd downs, couldn’t score in the Red Zone.
They STILL can’t. Not the slightest bit of progress.
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Can’t argue with the TRUTH!!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
Dakota – yes
Kirk – yes
Fingers – yes
GG – yes
RaiderJambo – yes
15-0
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Do you realize how stupid you clowns sound? Gruden ain’t coming here. If you want stupid rumours, How’s about Jim Harbaugh to the Raiders!!! Jim Harbaugh was just seen in the Bay Area, he has ties to the Raiders, and was wearing a black windbreaker with a great shirt under it. That is a clear sign. With the QB controversy over there, it is ripping their team apart so Jim is coming over here next week!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
JLofty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Hey Zymurge, sell sanity and reason some place else. This is no place for well-thought out postings…
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I know, I know. But I’m sitting through a less than enthralling meeting with my laptop open and, well, you know ….
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So are you a vote for or against Chucky’s return?
I appreciate a well written and intelligent post as much as the next guy. But at the end of the day, no riding the fence. Yes or no on Gruden?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
They scored a TD the one time they got in the red zone yesterday. That’s 100%. LOL
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Yeah they did, didn’t they. lol.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Riff, if the front office listened to a SINGLE thing that came out of this blog, I would $#it my bed.
Thankfully they aren’t that stupid….
December 7th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Whiner roomies…. Fkn spell ck
December 7th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
No one wants to share with the Niners. And remember the NFL has worked to prevent us and them playing again for the foreseeable future due to fan violence.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
Dakota – yes
Kirk – yes
Fingers – yes
GG – yes
RaiderJambo – yes
15-0
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Do you realize how stupid you clowns sound? Gruden ain’t coming here. If you want stupid rumours, How’s about Jim Harbaugh to the Raiders!!! Jim Harbaugh was just seen in the Bay Area, he has ties to the Raiders, and was wearing a black windbreaker with a great shirt under it. That is a clear sign. With the QB controversy over there, it is ripping their team apart so Jim is coming over here next week!
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Whether you think it is happening or not, is not the question.
It’s a question of whether you want it to happen or not. Cast your vote.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Raider fan walks into a bar.
Past the end of the bar at the table are seated Mark, Reggie, and Tits. They’re all looking at a ship model at the center of the table and crying their eyes out.
Raider fan gets a little closer and notices the ship model is one of the Titanic.
Raider fan looks at the sobbing trio and says: What’s wrong, guys. What’s with the model?!
Reggie looks up and says: We were just comparing our season with the Titanic’s voyage…
Tits pops in between sobs: And we just realized that at least the Titanic had a band!!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Another brilliant post…
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Plain and simple though, I think this team has failed because reggie tried to change so much so soon and not because it really needed to be changed but just for the sake of change and thats why were free falling.
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OK geniuses, what should McKenzie not have done? He was $30mm over the cap. Somebody had to go. In fact a ton of people had to go. You make the moves…..
December 7th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
JLofty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Riff, if the front office listened to a SINGLE thing that came out of this blog, I would $#it my bed.
Thankfully they aren’t that stupid….
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Thankfully.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Do you realize how stupid you clowns sound? Gruden ain’t coming here. If you want stupid rumours, How’s about Jim Harbaugh to the Raiders!!! Jim Harbaugh was just seen in the Bay Area, he has ties to the Raiders, and was wearing a black windbreaker with a great shirt under it. That is a clear sign. With the QB controversy over there, it is ripping their team apart so Jim is coming over here next week!
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Dude,
Why are you worried about how another person “sounds”?
It’s an informal gathering on a shared topic.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
It’s a question of whether you want it to happen or not. Cast your vote.
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Put me down for Jim Harbaugh. And let’s start spreading the rumour!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
That wasnt the question Seymour. Yes or No on Gruden. It’s pretty simple.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
The only credence Gruden to the Raiders has is with stadium issues. I think there is a 1 maybe 2% chance of that going down. And ONLY because of the stadium concerns coming up.
I think Dennis Allen could be a fine head coach. Both he and Reggie seem to have a LOT to learn about hiring staff however.
Greg Knapp?!? wtf!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Reggie’s failing was allowing a rookie HC select his own assistants. Reggie should have been more involved in that process and nixed the Knapp type selections. DA’s failings was in changing the offensive side of the team, players & assistants alike, following with he ST side of the team & not focusing his efforts strictly on the defense. Additionally, DA failed by bringing in friends as assistants, like Knapp & Hoffman – BIG MISTAKES! DA also failed by not naming Al Saunders a the OC. DA needs to grow-up quickly and to deal with problems quickly. He waited far too long to deal with McCheese. Right now I’d say DA’s success is a 50/50 crapshoot at best. It would help the fans if he’d get a little more animated on the sidelines. At least show us some emotion. Show us you really care. Watch some old Gruden sideline shots while with Oakland. He let us know he was really involved! Get into somebody’s face & get personally involved. Show us what you got before you get fired and it’s then too late to save anyone’s butt.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
I think some of the Raider brass reads this blog…. They have too sneak a peek now and then
December 7th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Sorry, KK, just having a little fun with you!
In fairness, here’s one you might like…and feel free to join in on the joke writing…
Cocky white Raider fan walks into a bar.
He sees KoolKell sitting at the end of the bar.
KK is sitting next to this gigantic parrot.
The parrot has a chain around her neck that says Polly.
Cocky white Raider fan walks up KK, looks at the parrot, and says to KK: Hey, boy, that your f*cking parrot? Does he talk? Lemme hear it say something?
KK turns to the parrot and says: Polly want a cracker?
Polly says sure. KK steps aside. And the parrot bites the cracker’s head off of his shoulders.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
It would be better imo if NorCal had two teams, because SoCal is going to have two or three teams.
Must make a distinction between East Bay and West/South Bay. Two very different fanbases, and now even more so with the Santa Clara region tied to the Niners.
San Diego should have their own team, not lose a team to LA. Just give LA one team, by relocating some other team. Rams a strong possibility given they gave the city an ultimatum that they wanted an NFL-caliber stadium upgrade that amounted to over $700m, and the city only willing to do something like $300-400m, and the Rams saying if they don’t get an NFL-caliber stadium they will look elsewhere given their lease runs out soon too.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Do you realize how stupid you clowns sound? Gruden ain’t coming here. If you want stupid rumours, How’s about Jim Harbaugh to the Raiders!!! Jim Harbaugh was just seen in the Bay Area, he has ties to the Raiders, and was wearing a black windbreaker with a great shirt under it. That is a clear sign. With the QB controversy over there, it is ripping their team apart so Jim is coming over here next week!
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Dude,
Why are you worried about how another person “sounds”?
It’s an informal gathering on a shared topic.
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Sorry, it’s just not productive. To cut the throats of the people who are actually out there working to make it better, and hoist some guy who incidentally hasn’t seen the league in four years, kind of seems silly to me. Did you notice how when John Fox got the axe, he was IMMEDIATELY hired. Twice! Gruden has not had an offer for four years. What does that tell you?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Raider Riff Says:
Whats your vote btw?
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As HC only, I wouldn’t cry if Jon were here. There’s no question it would be a jolt of enthusiasm that the franchise desperately needs.
I still think the jury is out on DA, but the one thing I never liked about him – I FKN HATE AGGIES. I grew up a Texas Tech fan and went to the University of Texas. LOL
Consider that a Yes – ONLY as HC. I don’t like him in any sort of GM capacity. I am completely on board with Reggie.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
OK geniuses, what should McKenzie not have done?
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Should not have Hired DA, (His resume is weak) He should not have hired a ZBS Coach with the #5 Power blocking Oline in the league.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
You might have a new day-job Scourge!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Yes for JAY GRUDEN.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Raider Riff — If I HAD to make a decision on Gruden without any conditions, I’d assume that he’d only do this with a big, ego filling “I want all control” approach. To that I’d say no.
I think the team needs a lot more help on defense than offense right now. I believe that DA will do more to help that side than Gruden would to improve the offense. In fact, I think you’re going to see DMac jettisoned next year and MORE focus on making the ZBS work with players that fit better. Stewart has already shown if can work.
So I actually (and I can’t believe I’m typing this) think that this team will be better off staying the current course than knee jerking to Gruden right now.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
It would be better imo if NorCal had two teams, because SoCal is going to have two or three teams.
Must make a distinction between East Bay and West/South Bay. Two very different fanbases, and now even more so with the Santa Clara region tied to the Niners.
San Diego should have their own team, not lose a team to LA. Just give LA one team, by relocating some other team. Rams a strong possibility given they gave the city an ultimatum that they wanted an NFL-caliber stadium upgrade that amounted to over $700m, and the city only willing to do something like $300-400m, and the Rams saying if they don’t get an NFL-caliber stadium they will look elsewhere given their lease runs out soon too.
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This is easy, move the Rams back.
Cardinals never should have left St Louis.
Put Jacksonville in Phoenix and rename them if you want.
Then…. stop fvcking with schit.
Problems all solved.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
yes on gruden, unless you can get me david shaw or brian kelly
December 7th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
SandyEgo doesn’t deserve an NFL team. Bunch of pansy loser crybabies. They are a perfect match to that QB of theirs…
As much as I despise the Donkeys and the Queefs, their fan-bases are to be respected….
December 7th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
I don’t get it? Parrots?………..
December 7th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
Dakota – yes
Kirk – yes
Fingers – yes
GG – yes
RaiderJambo – yes
JLofty – yes
RaidingTexas – yes
Zymurge – no
17-1
December 7th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Scourge: I actually had to suppress an audible chuckle at #239 in a meeting !
December 7th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
I just realized you can’t type f*cking without the *
December 7th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Scourge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Raider fan walks into a bar.
Past the end of the bar at the table are seated Mark, Reggie, and Tits. They’re all looking at a ship model at the center of the table and crying their eyes out.
Raider fan gets a little closer and notices the ship model is one of the Titanic.
Raider fan looks at the sobbing trio and says: What’s wrong, guys. What’s with the model?!
Reggie looks up and says: We were just comparing our season with the Titanic’s voyage…
Tits pops in between sobs: And we just realized that at least the Titanic had a band!!!!
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Maybe that’s it. In the earlier days we had a real band led by Del Courtney. Who knows how to lead a band? Maybe Reggie does.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
Dakota – yes
Kirk – yes
Fingers – yes
GG – yes
RaiderJambo – yes
JLofty – yes
RaidingTexas – yes
Zymurge – no
Inonewordraider
18-1
December 7th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Heck ya Chucky NOW
December 7th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Sorry, it’s just not productive. To cut the throats of the people who are actually out there working to make it better, and hoist some guy who incidentally hasn’t seen the league in four years, kind of seems silly to me. Did you notice how when John Fox got the axe, he was IMMEDIATELY hired. Twice! Gruden has not had an offer for four years. What does that tell you?
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With all do respect,
nothing we do in here is Productive as it pertains to the Raiders organization and the decisions they make.
Do you believe that Gruden has not been approached for HC jobs in the NFL and College since He left Tampa?
If so, I’d disagree, but neither You nor I can know for sure.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Mark hiring Reggie was good,..Reggie hiring Dennis was bad,..Dennis hiring Knapp was terrible. Mark may only keep Reggie around, and only if he goes along with Marks wish to hire Gruden to coach. Gruden gets all decisions on staff, Reggie makes all decisions on roster…I see that working.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
i tend to agree with Zymurge on this Gruden thing. One I just don’t think it’s happening, two I am willing to give Dennis Allen a chance. He REALLY needs a new OC tho…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
AND, FYI, JesusJim already stated that his poll is for GRUDEN as HC only. So cast your vote accordingly.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
What’s this carp about THE RAIDERS sharing. We came, We saw, We conquered. Do you think the “RAIDER GREATS” (and that also included some ex-whiners) who were at the game last night would’ve capitulated to their rivals by sharing? No way! From now on let’s higher the bar, by demanding it from our execs, coaches and players. I’m still totally impressed that so many of “RAIDER NATION” still spend their hard end dollars on this organisation for the last umpteen or so years. We’ve experienced futility for faaaaaar tooo looong!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
Dakota – yes
Kirk – yes
Fingers – yes
GG – yes
RaiderJambo – yes
JLofty – yes
RaidingTexas – yes
Zymurge – no
Inonewordraider – yes
Hendu – yes
19-1
(DISCLAIMER: this is for the HC position only, we all agree we dont want Gruden as a GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
I am not sure what happened to our ST but Hoffman was a pretty well respected ST coach for a LONG time in this league…
The Knapp hiring makes me scratch my head. Still.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
The only problem/writing on the wall…NorCal sporting teams are slowly moving down towards the Santa Clara and San Jose demographics and economies. The owners/Goodell are all corporate suits, with purely dollars focus.
However, there are always hopeful signs like how Green Bay and Buffalo are small markets that historically shouldn’t be lost. Like Cleveland regained their team.
To further cement ourselves as renegades and blue collar us-against-them brand, we should stay in Oakland, be one of the only teams left flying the East Bay flag.
Another fearful thought…we move back to LA in 2013 (playing out of Pasadena till the stadium is built), and Reggie drafts Matt Barkley, for an all-star USC QB depth chart.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Gruden for GM!
Sky is pinkish indigo now…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Z, sorry. I’m in a silly mood.
KK, just trying to use old joke beginnings to get some of you guys to finish the joke.
You got the “cracker” part, right?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
JLofty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Gruden for GM!
Sky is pinkish indigo now…
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The Drugs are kicking in! lol
December 7th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
unless you can get me david shaw or brian kelly
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My dream coach for the Raiders is Art Briles. I said this last year before DA was hired. Man I wanted them to hire him and draft RG3.
And it pains me to say that because I FKN HATE THE BAYLOR BEARS!!! But at least Art is a Texas Tech alum!
Art is the real deal. That’s why Baylor just locked him up to a long deal.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
I REALLY hope the Raiders don’t move to LA. I live in Nevada so it doesn’t impact me that much for the 1-2 games I go to each year. But LA is a massive SUCKFEST and we did that once and it SUCKED, and let LA have the Chargirls and Lambs…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Maybe that’s it. In the earlier days we had a real band led by Del Courtney.
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You do go back, don’t ya?
December 7th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Scourge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
You got the “cracker” part, right?
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Lol, uh huh.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Maybe that’s it. In the earlier days we had a real band led by Del Courtney.
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You do go back, don’t ya?
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Shiiit!
I’d forgotten about that!
Left corner of the north side end zone.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Len I am at work (clearly not working) and am putting off joining my wife at her holiday party. I guess time to go have a margarita or Modelo+shot of reposado…..
December 7th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
KK, Yep 67
December 7th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Post 240 @seymour
1. He should have never fired hue after an 8-8 season jus for the sake of hiring his “own guy.”
2. He should have never changed the offensive philosophy when the 1 we had already worked
3. He should have kept someone from the previous staff to help him understand the players on this roster because coming from greenbay he knew nothing about the raiders and their personell he just came in fired everybody and expected to learn the team on the fly with no input from great minds whod been around the team for years.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
“NOT EVERYTHING IS BLACK IN OAKLAND ”
The tree is known for its fruit. And out in RAIDERLAND there’s
Still good soil ,and all cats are not black! Something will come out of all this ! Something Good!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
One of my wife’s co-workers is a big Raider fan. Maybe we’ll go do some shots together! Cry in our beers…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
JLofty Says:
I guess time to go have a margarita or Modelo+shot of reposado…..
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Modelo + shot of reposado is my summertime Friday happy hour combo of choice! Milagro the brand!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
Dakota – yes
Kirk – yes
Fingers – yes
GG – yes
RaiderJambo – yes
JLofty – yes
RaidingTexas – yes
Zymurge – no
Inonewordraider – yes
Hendu – yes
19-1
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Mark walks into Reggie’s office where the latter’s talking with Tits.
In behind Mark walks a fat lady.
Reggie looks up at Mark quizzically from behind his desk: Hi, Boss. What’s up with the fat lady?
Mark: She’s here to sing.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
3. He should have kept someone from the previous staff to help him understand the players on this roster because coming from greenbay he knew nothing about the raiders and their personell he just came in fired everybody and expected to learn the team on the fly with no input from great minds whod been around the team for years.
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He kept Al Saunders. Who must’ve done a horrible job in communicating the ruinous effects changing to the ZBS would have….
December 7th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
JLofty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Len I am at work (clearly not working) and am putting off joining my wife at her holiday party. I guess time to go have a margarita or Modelo+shot of reposado…..
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Do IT!
Then report back on what color the sky is…lol
December 7th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
DA stinks. It so laughable when people say this guy is a good coach and give him ‘time’. Get used to him though, he has a 4 year deal and ain’t going anywhere. Thanks Reggie. If he was trying to turn this team into a loser, he’s done a fine job. Can’t believe he fired Hue for this bunghole…
December 7th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Milagro is a fine nectar indeed!
Peace out Nation! Keep your heads up. The Reg will do something Al Davis long refused, trade down-get more picks and draft FOOTBALL players and BOAR hunters to stock the roster with!
December 7th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
He kept Al Saunders. Who must’ve done a horrible job in communicating the ruinous effects changing to the ZBS would have….
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No Kidding.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Hopefully Reggie’s master plan is to tank the team for 3 seasons to get high draft picks, if so DA was the perfect hire. Maybe the talk with Gruden is for the 2015 season.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
I fearfully think Reggie is happy or content with the 2013 season. Basically using it as a year to learn on the job, upgrade the computer system and chain of command, have it settle, and meanwhile give him a year to see the Al-holdover team play like crap to give him a further opportunity to gut the entire roster of non-Reggie players.
Instead of taking the good that was there, and tweaking it.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Now that the season has gone this horribly sideways/wrong, DA might as well get kept around. Executing the coaching staff AND gutting the roster just makes this year an even bigger waste of time.
We need some continuity. With an entirely new roster and 1 year under his belt, maybe DA enters next season as the HC that lots of people envision him as?
I’m not a DA apologist by any means (#hashtag see my multiple preceding posts questioning the whole Knapp/tinkering with the offense) but I’m just trying to take the emotion out of this and identify the clear, logical way forward.
The problem when organizations makes changes out of sequential order (top down kinda thing) that new person always gets a year’s grace with the “not my guys” belong him.
If we bring in a new HC, it’s another wasted year of “not my guys” on the field.
I support Reggie and I liked his draft (limited as it was). Heading into next season, an experienced DA, with some new draft depth and some FA signings, could be the start of a turn around?
If DA is gonna walk the plank, do it quickly, name a replacement quickly so they get first shot at assistants and coordinators.
I love Chucky (still have my Raider sunvisor and NIKE Raider pullover that I wear with pride) but honestly, I’m not sure if looking to the past is the answer? My candidate? Mike Holmgren.
December 7th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
DA stinks. It so laughable when people say this guy is a good coach and give him ‘time’. Get used to him though, he has a 4 year deal and ain’t going anywhere. Thanks Reggie. If he was trying to turn this team into a loser, he’s done a fine job. Can’t believe he fired Hue for this bunghole…
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Turning the team into losers? Were we winners at some point recently? Did I miss it?
December 7th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
DA stinks. It so laughable when people say this guy is a good coach and give him ‘time’. Get used to him though, he has a 4 year deal and ain’t going anywhere. Thanks Reggie. If he was trying to turn this team into a loser, he’s done a fine job. Can’t believe he fired Hue for this bunghole…
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Turning the team into losers? Were we winners at some point recently? Did I miss it?
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I believe it was the last week of the year v. San Diego – when we choked out a division loss, and Broncos backed into an AFC West title.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I don’t like the idea of trading down unless we target a player that we think is going to be available later.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Hopefully Reggie’s master plan is to tank the team for 3 seasons to get high draft picks, if so DA was the perfect hire. Maybe the talk with Gruden is for the 2015 season.
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Give it time. Impatient decision making and desperation led to Palmer trade. They have to get it right, this time.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
GreatWhiteRaider, bout time someone has something rational to say.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
I’d hate to lose a talented good coach just because he’s still young & stupid. If DA is willing to fire Knapp, Pollack & Hoffman, I’d be willing to give him more time to show us what he’s got. But, if he stands behind these guys and refuses to fire them, I’d say he just too stupid to count on and get get someone new like David Shaw, Chip Kelly or a retread like Gruden.
I’ll post my yes/no vote later. Got to really think about is as it is not a simple black or white decision. My response now is that it depends.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
@297 Over half of the current roster aren’t anybodies guys.
Cupboard is pretty bare.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
GreatWhiteRaider, well you lost me at the Holmgren part. Not working out for CLE too well, and he actually had draft picks.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
We were in the playoff race till the last day of the season the last 2 years – 10 months later we’re the laughing stock of the league. Yeah we were *way* better off with Hue. Way better.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
I don’t get it? Parrots?………..
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You needed that explained to you?
Rather slow on the uptake?
December 7th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
We were in the playoff race till the last day of the season the last 2 years – 10 months later we’re the laughing stock of the league. Yeah we were *way* better off with Hue. Way better.
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But he would’ve faced the same problems. No picks or money, the players we couldn’t afford to keep. No doubt the offense would be in a better place, since HJ is Carson’s daddy. But I think six wins would’ve been his ceiling. So I’d say “a little better” not “way better”, we still have the worst defense in the league.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Holmgren – I think he’s a great coach, bad GM. He was dual in Seattle and then just the GM in Cleveland.
I think we need a guy with a presence, respect, winning acumen kinda thing.
Reggie has a history with him in GB, so I think they could work together well and be able to focus on their areas of expertise.
One of the problems to me anyways is that Mark is a new owner, Reggie is a new GM, DA a new HC, that’s a lot of inexperience.
A guy like Holmgren (or Chucky) would be a nice experienced balance to that IMO.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
GreatWhiteRaider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Now that the season has gone this horribly sideways/wrong, DA might as well get kept around. Executing the coaching staff AND gutting the roster just makes this year an even bigger waste of time.
We need some continuity. With an entirely new roster and 1 year under his belt, maybe DA enters next season as the HC that lots of people envision him as?
I’m not a DA apologist by any means (#hashtag see my multiple preceding posts questioning the whole Knapp/tinkering with the offense) but I’m just trying to take the emotion out of this and identify the clear, logical way forward.
The problem when organizations makes changes out of sequential order (top down kinda thing) that new person always gets a year’s grace with the “not my guys” belong him.
If we bring in a new HC, it’s another wasted year of “not my guys” on the field.
I support Reggie and I liked his draft (limited as it was). Heading into next season, an experienced DA, with some new draft depth and some FA signings, could be the start of a turn around?
If DA is gonna walk the plank, do it quickly, name a replacement quickly so they get first shot at assistants and coordinators.
I love Chucky (still have my Raider sunvisor and NIKE Raider pullover that I wear with pride) but honestly, I’m not sure if looking to the past is the answer? My candidate? Mike Holmgren.
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It’s pretty simple…. yes or no on Chucky as the HC
Not…. who would you rather have or any other question. Its just very simple, “yes” or “no” on Chucking coming back for 2013 as HC.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Scourge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Mark walks into Reggie’s office where the latter’s talking with Tits.
In behind Mark walks a fat lady.
Reggie looks up at Mark quizzically from behind his desk: Hi, Boss. What’s up with the fat lady?
Mark: She’s here to sing.
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Reggie: “And exactly WHICH parade will she be raining upon”?
December 7th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Wow just heard Rich Gannon on 95.7 the game for his weekly interview. He just told it like it was.
Said he respcts DA, and they asked Gannon about the Gruden Rumor. He said he wanted to be respectful cuz he likes DA but GRUEN would have this offense alot better then its doing.
Gannon said he is shocked and disappointed that the Raiders defense isnt better especially cuz thats what Da is suppose to be known for. He said he is disappointed that Mckenzie / DA havent come in and been able to make an impact this year.
Gannon did say he has talked to JON and its really GETTIN AT HIM that he is not on the sidelines.. Said he still think of himself as a COACH and not an analyst.
Gannon said he believes GRUDEN will be COACHING THIS YEAR.. he says Gruden told him he cant wait to assemble his staff and get back to coaching.. he has the itch really bad, he studies film all day at his Florida facilty.
Gannon did say he talked to JON last year after they fired hue.. and GRUDEN WAS HIGHLY INTRIGUED with the RAIDERS again. He wants to build/ coach a team to another superbowl.
Gannon pointed out you get what you earn as a coach/ GM and plenty of teams are having turnarounds this year like the colts with a rookie qb etc.
Gannon did say that DMAC should be gone next year.
So thats GANNON and Greg Papa who have said this year GRUDEN is interested in coming back to the Raiders.
BOOM!
December 7th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
JB Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
I’d hate to lose a talented good coach just because he’s still young & stupid. If DA is willing to fire Knapp, Pollack & Hoffman, I’d be willing to give him more time to show us what he’s got. But, if he stands behind these guys and refuses to fire them, I’d say he just too stupid to count on and get get someone new like David Shaw, Chip Kelly or a retread like Gruden.
I’ll post my yes/no vote later. Got to really think about is as it is not a simple black or white decision. My response now is that it depends.
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I know hindsight and all, but RM should’ve tried to get Shaw in the first place.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
We were in the playoff race till the last day of the season the last 2 years – 10 months later we’re the laughing stock of the league. Yeah we were *way* better off with Hue. Way better.
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But he would’ve faced the same problems. No picks or money, the players we couldn’t afford to keep. No doubt the offense would be in a better place, since HJ is Carson’s daddy. But I think six wins would’ve been his ceiling. So I’d say “a little better” not “way better”, we still have the worst defense in the league.
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Yep. People forget that a lot of these players werent “Hue’s guys” either. He wanted to gut this team as much as anyone.
Face it everyone, Al knew his days were short and he paniked towards the end. Most owners do this when they know its about to be over and they desperately want one more title.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Gannon did want to tip toe around the Gruden subject because he respects DA but was tellin it like it is.
He said he is disappointed that DA/ TARVER hasnt been able to come close to getting the defense fixed in any single area.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I don’t like the idea of trading down unless we target a player that we think is going to be available later.
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If Reggie is 100% certain that the Guy we pick in slot 1-4 of the 1st round will be an impact player, you take Him.
If not, trade down.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Alot of energy spent discussing someone who has already stated that it’s not going to happen regarding him coming back to Oakland.
A poll on who wants him? Adding “but not gm”?
What’s the point?
December 7th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Raiders allday,
Gannon pointed out you get what you earn as a coach/ GM and plenty of teams are having turnarounds this year like the colts with a rookie qb etc.
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Yeah, it’s amazing what can happen when you have draft picks.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Wow just heard Rich Gannon on 95.7 the game for his weekly interview. He just told it like it was.
Said he respcts DA, and they asked Gannon about the Gruden Rumor. He said he wanted to be respectful cuz he likes DA but GRUEN would have this offense alot better then its doing.
Gannon said he is shocked and disappointed that the Raiders defense isnt better especially cuz thats what Da is suppose to be known for. He said he is disappointed that Mckenzie / DA havent come in and been able to make an impact this year.
Gannon did say he has talked to JON and its really GETTIN AT HIM that he is not on the sidelines.. Said he still think of himself as a COACH and not an analyst.
Gannon said he believes GRUDEN will be COACHING THIS YEAR.. he says Gruden told him he cant wait to assemble his staff and get back to coaching.. he has the itch really bad, he studies film all day at his Florida facilty.
Gannon did say he talked to JON last year after they fired hue.. and GRUDEN WAS HIGHLY INTRIGUED with the RAIDERS again. He wants to build/ coach a team to another superbowl.
Gannon pointed out you get what you earn as a coach/ GM and plenty of teams are having turnarounds this year like the colts with a rookie qb etc.
Gannon did say that DMAC should be gone next year.
So thats GANNON and Greg Papa who have said this year GRUDEN is interested in coming back to the Raiders.
BOOM!
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Hell yeah!
Gruden returning = Gannon returning
I take it youre a ‘yes” vote?
December 7th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
yes no
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
Dakota – yes
Kirk – yes
Fingers – yes
GG – yes
RaiderJambo – yes
JLofty – yes
RaidingTexas – yes
Zymurge – no
Inonewordraider – yes
Hendu – yes
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit – yes
20 -1
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Raider (since 1967)
THE CAT WILL STRIKE BACK!
Ever since the Dawn of Time man has experience the force
to come back. Not to say it happen to animals too.How many
Of you have Spank a Cat and put him on a mailbox just before the Mailman arrives.Only to see the CAT STRIKING BACK at the
First he sees. Well when Detroit Lions lost 14 a few years back., yes they came to be one of NFL strongest teams
The fact speaks for itself, and you will see this BLACK SPANK CAT STRIKE BACK! Poor is he who gets in front of him!
December 7th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
RockyMtnHigh Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Alot of energy spent discussing someone who has already stated that it’s not going to happen regarding him coming back to Oakland.
A poll on who wants him? Adding “but not gm”?
What’s the point?
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Just something to do. Don’t participate who Gives a F*ck.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Raider Riff: yes to Chucky.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
I’ll go ahead and say it:
I do not want Jon Gruden back.
I want DA to do what he was hired to do, which can’t happen until they get better players. If we’re still having this discussion this time next year, then RM needs to call David Shaw.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Atta boy Great White!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
If you ask alot of 49ers fans they wanted to stay with singletary one more year .. till they found out they were in the
Jim harbaugh sweepstakes
December 7th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
21 -1
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
RockyMtnHigh Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Alot of energy spent discussing someone who has already stated that it’s not going to happen regarding him coming back to Oakland.
A poll on who wants him? Adding “but not gm”?
What’s the point?
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U know that for a fact? U were in the meeting with Jon and Mark? how did that work?
December 7th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
I guess Allen says he will be 3-13 before he let al davis picks show they can play.bring on gruden!
December 7th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
21 -2
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
22 -2
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
I’ll go ahead and say it:
I do not want Jon Gruden back.
I want DA to do what he was hired to do, which can’t happen until they get better players. If we’re still having this discussion this time next year, then RM needs to call David Shaw.
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You know, many on the Gruden list arent exactly DA haters. We all know he needs more time.
But we also know what we are getting with Chucky and we all know it was wrong for him to be traded in the first place.
Just because we are pro-Chucky coming home, doesnt mean we are anti-DA.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
I thought it was telling how papa on tuesday said Jon expressed how he wanted to come back and papa was all giddy n shyyt.
Then on thursday Papa crushed the rumor after that PR EMAIL came out.
Not saying its gonna happen but maybe details are still being discussed. Either way DA will probaly turn out no better then MIKE NOLAN, SINGLETARY, 2 win STEVE SPAGS, Jim ZORN, LANE KIFFIN, TODD HALEY even though he made the playoffs.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
December 7th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
I’ll go ahead and say it:
I do not want Jon Gruden back.
I want DA to do what he was hired to do, which can’t happen until they get better players. If we’re still having this discussion this time next year, then RM needs to call David Shaw.
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You know, many on the Gruden list arent exactly DA haters. We all know he needs more time.
But we also know what we are getting with Chucky and we all know it was wrong for him to be traded in the first place.
Just because we are pro-Chucky coming home, doesnt mean we are anti-DA.
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Exactly how many years did raider fans want cowher or a superbowl winning coach.. not the rumors of the raiders / gruden flirting everybody gets all defensive.
Why wouldnt Raider fans want the best? Why settle for anything less?
December 7th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Riff,
You love lists. lol
December 7th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
I know one thing, Gruden isnt going to let DLess run those lazy ass routes he’s been doing.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
DMOORE seems like he plays high
December 7th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
The first thing Tits does is blame the roster…just get rid of him.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Raider O Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Riff,
You love lists. lol
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I love me some Chucky.
And yeah, I like a good angry mob just like the next hooligan.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
DMOORE seems like he plays high
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It’s officially ‘D-Less” until he starts running crisp routes, on time, and in sync with his QB.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Gruden…absolutely. Get some butts in the stands instantly.
As for DA, maybe he becomes a good HC, maybe not.
Never been the top dog at any level and that isn’t for everyone.
Lots of delegating and personalities to manage, which isn’t every coaches forte.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
HOLMGREN and ANDY REED?
They are 2 Fat Pigs with Sweaty Underwears !
December 7th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
21 -1
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
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I don’t mind being the odd man out. I’ve been waging the “talent level” battle for days now.
Coaches are only as good as their players.
The whole notion that a coach needs to be all “rah-rah” to motivate his players, doesn’t work for me.
Be professionals and do your job. The players make more than the coaches, if they can’t get fired up to play that’s on them.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Gruden= Hell yes
December 7th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
You really think that Gruden or any other coach could turn this current gaggle of pukes into a winning team? We have to score 50 points a game to be competitive this season because our Defensive players lack either heart, talent, or intelligence. Some lack all 3. Three more games until the defensive purge begins. Give it two more seasons if you are a realist. Go be a Broncos fan if you want to win now.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
23 -2
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
DA has *failed* miserably on every level and is getting worse by the week. Name one thing he has done to instill any confidence that he’s the right man for the job.
On the contrary, he has taken a pretty decent team and made them a joke about as fast as it can be done. We have been blown out and embarrassed more than any season – on par with the 2-14 season – even worse because this was a playoff contender. He has been out coached in every game even by other rookie head coaches, has made horrible decisions starting with the staff he assembled, changing schemes that don’t fit the personnel, not playing the right players at the right times, lack of motivation, in-game adjustments and the list goes on and on. Meanwhile, each week has stood on the sidelines and in the press room looking totally clueless (hmmm, uhmmmm, uhmmm, at the end of the day). Unless the plan is to lose intentionally this guy has no place in Alameda and is an embarrassment to the shield, organization, city and the fans. Counting the days till he is shown the door, unfortunately that’s going to be alot of days..
December 7th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
24 -2
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
You know, many on the Gruden list arent exactly DA haters. We all know he needs more time.
But we also know what we are getting with Chucky and we all know it was wrong for him to be traded in the first place.
Just because we are pro-Chucky coming home, doesnt mean we are anti-DA.
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100%
I feel bad for DA in many respects.
Very hard time for Him right now.
It has to be one of the lowest points of His life, having lost His Father and struggling to put Wins up for a fan base and organization that has been wondering in the desert for over a decade.
I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Wrong, why do ppl fall for that coaches are good as their players.
Who’s fault was it to change the entire system instead of fitting and tailoring each offense / defense for ur players? That was DA’s fault. it ws his fault he hired Knapp.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
HE is a defensive HC and like Gannon said he was disappointed that DA/TARVER havent been able to fix one thing with this team
December 7th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
I don’t mind being the odd man out. I’ve been waging the “talent level” battle for days now.
Coaches are only as good as their players.
The whole notion that a coach needs to be all “rah-rah” to motivate his players, doesn’t work for me.
Be professionals and do your job. The players make more than the coaches, if they can’t get fired up to play that’s on them.
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Trust me my friend, Ive been fighting the same battle as you for the entire season. Most of the board hates me for it at this point. Everything you said is right on point.
I know the Gruden talk makes no sense. But irrational nostalgia is hard to kick.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
After Gruden took Dungy’s talent to the Superbowl, he got progressively worse until they fired his a$$. Gannon, Rice, Brown and Garner dont live here no mo. Dennis Allen is the only guy who probably wants to coach this team.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
You really think that Gruden or any other coach could turn this current gaggle of pukes into a winning team? We have to score 50 points a game to be competitive this season because our Defensive players lack either heart, talent, or intelligence. Some lack all 3. Three more games until the defensive purge begins. Give it two more seasons if you are a realist. Go be a Broncos fan if you want to win now.
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I dont think Gruden would turn it around any faster than DA.
I just know I’d have fun watching Gruden light up the pansy ass players and bought off officials.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
December 7th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
I’ll go ahead and say it:
I do not want Jon Gruden back.
I want DA to do what he was hired to do, which can’t happen until they get better players. If we’re still having this discussion this time next year, then RM needs to call David Shaw.
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You know, many on the Gruden list arent exactly DA haters. We all know he needs more time.
But we also know what we are getting with Chucky and we all know it was wrong for him to be traded in the first place.
Just because we are pro-Chucky coming home, doesnt mean we are anti-DA.
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You know what you’re getting?
Did the Cowboys know what they were getting when they hired Parcells?
He had the pedigree, but didn’t get the job done because he was trying to win with Vinny Testeverde.
Sure they made the plyoffs once, but overall he was two games over .500
Great coach, but he didn’t have the players.
How would Gruden be different with this roster?
December 7th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
After Gruden took Dungy’s talent to the Superbowl, he got progressively worse until they fired his a$$. Gannon, Rice, Brown and Garner dont live here no mo. Dennis Allen is the only guy who probably wants to coach this team.
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So is that a “no” on Gruden?
December 7th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Ya and Bill calahan took Grudens team to the superbowl .. whats ur point? either way he was getting there.
Either way he won a superbowl.
I want DA to stay… but if you can get GRUDEN by all means bring him back MARK
December 7th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
December 7th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
I’ll go ahead and say it:
I do not want Jon Gruden back.
I want DA to do what he was hired to do, which can’t happen until they get better players. If we’re still having this discussion this time next year, then RM needs to call David Shaw.
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You know, many on the Gruden list arent exactly DA haters. We all know he needs more time.
But we also know what we are getting with Chucky and we all know it was wrong for him to be traded in the first place.
Just because we are pro-Chucky coming home, doesnt mean we are anti-DA.
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You know what you’re getting?
Did the Cowboys know what they were getting when they hired Parcells?
He had the pedigree, but didn’t get the job done because he was trying to win with Vinny Testeverde.
Sure they made the plyoffs once, but overall he was two games over .500
Great coach, but he didn’t have the players.
How would Gruden be different with this roster?
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Parcells had Jerry Jones forcing TO and before that, Quincy Carter down Parcells’ throat.
Dude, Im on your side with the whole “100% players fault” mentality.
That doesnt mean I dont want Gruden back.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
No on Gruden – not because I think he’s a bad coach, but because I think DA deserves the same chance Chucky got when he was here before.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
No on Gruden – not because I think he’s a bad coach, but because I think DA deserves the same chance Chucky got when he was here before.
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Fair enough. I dont necessarily disagree with that sentiment.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
24 -3
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
DA deserves his chance like HUE got
December 7th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
DA has turned this team into a ‘Gaggle’ – that was his and his staffs doing – they were 8-8 the last 2 seasons and and a top 10 offense! We have the same players on offense minus Bush and Satelle (both should have been kept btw, thx Reggie) and almost the same on defense minus Whimbley, Routt and CJ all were thought to be under performers. We are now last or near last in the NFL on both offense, scoring, defense, and scoring defense and have been blown out terribly like 7 or 8 times. To look at the team now and say – the players stink nobody could do a better job – is to ignore the reality that these same ‘crappy’ players were balling out last 2 seasons and suddenly they can’t play – what has changed? DA apologizers need to get a clue.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
You should Rich Gannon to that list of “yes” if Papa is there, Gannon’s recent interview says “yes” also.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
No – ArtilleryShell
December 7th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
If Dennis Allen had the ‘talent’ that Gruden had to work with, this would be a moot point. Actually, it’s a moot point anyway. Gruden isn’t coming back.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
It should be noted, that while the poll shows OVERWHELMING support for Chucky, the 3 members that are standing against it are all 3 of the smarter members of this board. While the mob voting yes is a hodgepodge mix of smart and dumb.
Just some food for thought when examining poll results. If one group is a smart/dumb mix and the other group is entirely smart people, the “right” decision is probably to go with the smart group, even if it is outnumbered 12-1
December 7th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Obviously TALENT is the 1st ingredient, but good coaching makes the most of it.
A great Chef can take the same ingredients as another and put out a product that is BETTER.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
25 – 4
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Actually its a moot point anyway.. DA is on the hot seat.
Mark isnt buying what DA was selling b4. Why? well the talks .. the pressers after the saints game.. Mark telling DA to show more emotion, regression
Rumors of Jon / Raiders talking. its there cant deny it now. Plus that PR went crazy in the email basically shows u … Raiders were pissed that fans how found out.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
If Dennis Allen had the ‘talent’ that Gruden had to work with, this would be a moot point. Actually, it’s a moot point anyway. Gruden isn’t coming back.
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Two HOF WRs, Pro Bowl linemen, a defense that actually knew how to use their pads. And Charlie freakin Gardner, one bad little mofo.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
DA deserves his chance like HUE got
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Exactly! Bye Tits!
December 7th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
#367…nice try, but that’s not how polls work
The winner is the larger number.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
How many hall of famers did hue have? What staff did he pick? where was his GM? who was helping him with the football operations?
Who was his OC? Where was his training camp? Was there a lockout? Oh ya thats right
December 7th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
*Garner*
December 7th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Reposting something…
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:52 am
Have you seen ANY progress at all in any facet of this football team under Allen this year as a whole in comparison to where this team was even last 4 games last year?
Have you seen any progress at all in any facet of this team in the last 5 weeks?
Please illustrate what, if any, facets you have seen progress in.
Allen inherited the same roster 90% of what Hue had last year, and what Cable had the year before. Under Tom and Hue, the Raiders progressed in many different facets. They weren’t “there” yet, but they were on the climb and the roster was talent laden like it hadn’t been the years before under Kiffin and prior. Where Tom and Hue left this team, is where you THEN start to judge Allen. What has Allen done since then that’s shown any progress?
And don’t give me this “Allen was burdened with xyz” talk. Hue had Bresnahan. Tom had Russell. Etc. They both had many injuries to deal with, more than Allen has seen with this team.
Also, Hue had to deal with the sudden death mid-season of Al Davis himself. He had to just carry the load himself and try to carry on. He had Moore out for 6 weeks. Had DHB in the doghouse for a few weeks. Had Ford injured for 6 weeks. Had Dmac injured for 8 weeks. He lost his starting QB mid-season with no viable back-up. He had to acquire a Testarverde type of QB, a vet spending more than 6 months on the sofa, had to get him in quick and try to crash-course the offense into him. No chemistry established with any WRs. All done on the fly.
Allen has walked into a stable regime, with a young GM, given total control of the roster, and coaching staff, not had any significant injuries to get thru, none of what Hue had to endure where a WR would come back as another was injured again, Shaughnessy was out most of the year, etc, that non-continuity, whilst Allen has had the same roster healthy, or only a few out all together, and had continuity with the rest of the roster being healthy, Allen has full sway with the defense, he had Palmer all schooled up in the offense and established chemistry with the entire healthy WRs from the get-go, had a full pre-season where Hue didn’t, Allen didn’t have to carry the load himself as HC/GM with the passing of THE raider icon himself, etc.
Allen has been served on a silver platter an entry point into coaching where he had every opportunity to succeed right away. Stability, roster talent, roster health, full roster control, a young GM, modern scouting computers etc, didn’t have that Al staff to contend with like Herrera etc all pulling in various ways, taking sides, etc.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
#367…nice try, but that’s not how polls work
The winner is the larger number.
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How polls work? There are many ways to evaluate the data gathered from polls. This isnt a majority vote, its is a poll. There is a big difference.
The winner may be the larger number, but all that tells you is that the majority thinks a certain way, it doesnt mean the majority is actually making sound decisions.
If the minority is universally filled with highly intelligent people, they will lose the vote, but they probably were right in their stance. See the difference?
December 7th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
345. The last RAIDER coach who was able to turn around a gaggle of pukes (as you put it) and turn it in to a a winning team was none other than Jon Gruden. Do I think he doesn’t also have his faults? Absolutely not! I still think when he had teams down, he didn’t go for the jugular, and kept too many games close for comfort. I also blame him for losing to the pats in the “SNOW JOB GAME”, we had them on the ropes, but he allowed them back into the game with conservative play calling. However, whether he’s been away from the for too long and sitting his butt in the TV booth, I still believe that right now he is a better fit for the OAKLAND RAIDER ORGANISATION than DA.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
I was on the Hue bandwagon when he was here because they were scoring points.
I think if Al had lasted another year, Hue would be here….and we’d be 5-8.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
You should Rich Gannon to that list of “yes” if Papa is there, Gannon’s recent interview says “yes” also.
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You think we could add Lechler to that list also? I do.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
#367…nice try, but that’s not how polls work
The winner is the larger number.
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It was an interesting theory though.
Riff I knew you could make this poll work. LOL
We have sucked for so hard and so long that Chucky would get us all pumped up. I want to see my coach up in someones grill when they screw up.
These guys now fear nothing because we have no depth and they know the coach isn’t gonna do anything if they suck.
It was a pleasant surprise last week when he yanked those guys.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
I think if Al had lasted another year, Hue would be here….and we’d be 5-8.
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Agreed.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Talk about how gruden had better talent all you want but I guarantee if he had this same talent his team wouldnt be 3-10 and they wouldnt get smoked every sunday….
December 7th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Debating with other fans on this blog is entertaining and fun what ever the topic.
The hot-button topic is the Gruden rumors and how much longer will DA remain head coach.
The banter is excellent because of our ability to voice our opinions.
But, when it comes right down to it, none of us in this blog have any sway over who stays and goes in Raider land.
If DA stays or goes, we will have to accept it as Raider fans because our opinions matter very little to the people making decisions at Raider HQ in Alameda.
The current state of the Raiders in pathetic and embarrassing. But, we all have to roll with the punches and see where this thing will go.
Whether its Gruden, DA, or whomever, that will be a Mark Davis decision and no one else.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
GG
Allen has been served on a silver platter an entry point into coaching where he had every opportunity to succeed right away. Stability, roster talent, roster health, full roster control, a young GM, modern scouting computers etc, didn’t have that Al staff to contend with like Herrera etc all pulling in various ways, taking sides, etc.
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Is that supposed to be funny?
You lost me at stability and roster talent.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
I saw many takeaways from the game. I think the biggest takeaway is our players still have little awareness of game situations.
For example the Wheeler holding penalty was probably the dumbest play of the game. I mean I understand him wanting not to get beat, but the penalty assures them of a first down. He pretty much is responsible for the first touchdown.
The players are to blame for the execution, but Flores pointed out that the field was wide open in the middle.
We gotta get a high draft pick then trade waaaayyyyyy down and do like the cheatriots and stockpile picks.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
#377…
Good counter-point by you.
However, as you noted, many intelligent people voted yes, more than 3 intelligent people that voted no. If you start getting as many intelligent people saying no as there are intelligent people saying yes, then ok, it’s a muddled issue. 50:50
But if there are say 15 intelligent people out of 25 saying yes, and only 3 intelligent people saying no, then intelligence x15 > intelligence x3 ….. using your logic/terms of condition as per previous post.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
It should be noted, that while the poll shows OVERWHELMING support for Chucky, the 3 members that are standing against it are all 3 of the smarter members of this board. While the mob voting yes is a hodgepodge mix of smart and dumb.
Just some food for thought when examining poll results. If one group is a smart/dumb mix and the other group is entirely smart people, the “right” decision is probably to go with the smart group, even if it is outnumbered 12-1
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If it’s a poll, how does one determine, in the process of taking the poll who is “smart”.
Is their some sort of wonderlic test prior?
Is it based on demographics and income?
If so, how does that pertain to Football Smarts?
What is the measuring stick for smart?
December 7th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Gruden won’t come !
The only way he’ll come is with:
$5 MILLION
BOX CUBAN CIGARS
RAIDERETTES PU$$YCAT ! HE COMES ALRIGHT!
December 7th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
If al was here hed of massaged the cap and wed have better players and our defense wouldnt give up 200 points a month.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
#385…
allen had stability walking into 2012. he had his own hand-picked staff, a 4 year contract, a young GM who believed in him and hired him, who also has a 4 year contract.
comprehension skills, please.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Either Raiders fans will probaly know within 2 weeks after the season if DA is stayin or not.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
#377…
Good counter-point by you.
However, as you noted, many intelligent people voted yes, more than 3 intelligent people that voted no. If you start getting as many intelligent people saying no as there are intelligent people saying yes, then ok, it’s a muddled issue. 50:50
But if there are say 15 intelligent people out of 25 saying yes, and only 3 intelligent people saying no, then intelligence x15 > intelligence x3 ….. using your logic/terms of condition as per previous post.
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Agreed.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Als defense > Da defense… Thats sad
December 7th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
It should be noted, that while the poll shows OVERWHELMING support for Chucky, the 3 members that are standing against it are all 3 of the smarter members of this board. While the mob voting yes is a hodgepodge mix of smart and dumb.
Just some food for thought when examining poll results. If one group is a smart/dumb mix and the other group is entirely smart people, the “right” decision is probably to go with the smart group, even if it is outnumbered 12-1
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If it’s a poll, how does one determine, in the process of taking the poll who is “smart”.
Is their some sort of wonderlic test prior?
Is it based on demographics and income?
If so, how does that pertain to Football Smarts?
What is the measuring stick for smart?
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You are one of the smart ones.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Riff:
YES to Jon Gruden!!
I think there´s a low prob. he will return, maybe 30%.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
As far as DA is concerned. We almost have to keep him. The players obviously have a part to play in it (not putting all the blame on them), so we need to see what DA does with different players (hopefully)
Also, no quality coach in demand will want to come to this team when there is no history of stability. Give him a chance because we keep firing coaches and it hasnt worked.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
#385…
allen had stability walking into 2012. he had his own hand-picked staff, a 4 year contract, a young GM who believed in him and hired him, who also has a 4 year contract.
comprehension skills, please.
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I comprehend just fine. The Patriots have stability, the Giants have stability. If you look at the Raiders and see stability, it’s your own comprehension skills you should be questioning.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
I’m with JWB’s opinion. My real answer is it depends but this survey only allows yes/no so I’m forced to say No.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Als defense > Da defense… Thats sad
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Yes it is.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Dude its either DA or GRUDEN.. thats it. If raiders dont land Gruden .. DA will stay for another 2 years.
If mark makes a push for GRUDEN now.. then JON is not gonna worry about the coaching turnaround ..because he is the F”N man.. and he will likely have a stake in the front office as well.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Since we doing fantasy….
Hue Jack Off Coordinator
Keep Head Coach and Tarver
Draft DT Star Lotuleiu
Trade S Huff – 6th rounder
Trade DT Kelly – 4th rounder
Trade WR DHB – conditional 7th
Cut QB – Leinart, DT Seymour,
Use cap savings on quality young players, not spread out over several scrubs in the name of depth.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
#395…
Raider Riff gets to decide who are the smart and dumb ones.
He might be right, or might be wrong tho, so we’d need someone else to start a poll asking whether Raider Riff’s smart or dumb list is good or bad with a yes or no vote as well
December 7th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
#385…
allen had stability walking into 2012. he had his own hand-picked staff, a 4 year contract, a young GM who believed in him and hired him, who also has a 4 year contract.
comprehension skills, please.
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Stability = more than 1 year
December 7th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
btw JON GRUDEN is the RAIDERS HISTORY ..the only history since the 80’s.
He is MR. RAIDER despite being traded to tampa. The guy is a Rockstar at Raider games
December 7th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Many of the more rational members here, that are voting yes on “Proposition Gruden” are simply voting with their hearts. I know I fall into that category.
But lets not complicate things…. JesusJim asked a simple question, if we had the chance to get Gruden back, would you support it or not? If he signed the dotted line, would you be happy or not?
It’s not even necessarily a question of whether you want DA fired or whether you outright want Gruden above anyone else. Its just a question of whether you would be in favor of getting him if we did.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
As far as DA is concerned. We almost have to keep him. The players obviously have a part to play in it (not putting all the blame on them), so we need to see what DA does with different players (hopefully)
Also, no quality coach in demand will want to come to this team when there is no history of stability. Give him a chance because we keep firing coaches and it hasnt worked.
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And were you thinking that after we fired Hue after a 8-8 season to lure the great Dennis Allen?
Ya think Denver cared when they sh!tcanned McDaniels in year 2 after YEARS of Shannahan? No they realized their mistake and moved on. Let’s do the same.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Also.. doesn anyone remember when HUE JACKSON won his first game.. and he got the ICE BATH.
When DA won his first game.. it was nothing. I dont think he has that kind of relationship with the players.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
[snippage]
If the minority is universally filled with highly intelligent people, they will lose the vote, but they probably were right in their stance. See the difference?
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Riff, how do you know the minority in this case is highly intelligent? That someone else is “intelligent” based on blog posts is highly subjective, is it not? And relative to one’s own perceived intelligence in comparison? And said poll is unscientific. The “intelligent” minority may simply be parroting what they’ve heard other (actual) intelligent people say. Just a thought.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Hey what about Norv Turner
December 7th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Oh ya thanks for reminding me. DA= Lane kiffin, Josh Mcdaniels. They are all the same.. Steve Spags, Jim Zorn, Haley, SIngletary.
December 7th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
#395…
Raider Riff gets to decide who are the smart and dumb ones.
He might be right, or might be wrong tho, so we’d need someone else to start a poll asking whether Raider Riff’s smart or dumb list is good or bad with a yes or no vote as well
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Game recognize game.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
It’s Friday evening and we’re discussing the validity and reliability of blog polls?! FML!!!!!!!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
As far as DA is concerned. We almost have to keep him. The players obviously have a part to play in it (not putting all the blame on them), so we need to see what DA does with different players (hopefully)
Also, no quality coach in demand will want to come to this team when there is no history of stability. Give him a chance because we keep firing coaches and it hasnt worked.
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And were you thinking that after we fired Hue after a 8-8 season to lure the great Dennis Allen?
Ya think Denver cared when they sh!tcanned McDaniels in year 2 after YEARS of Shannahan? No they realized their mistake and moved on. Let’s do the same.
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Even McDaniels at least got to year 2. He also had top-tier talent i.e.: Bailey, Dumerville, DT
December 7th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
#395…
Raider Riff gets to decide who are the smart and dumb ones.
He might be right, or might be wrong tho, so we’d need someone else to start a poll asking whether Raider Riff’s smart or dumb list is good or bad with a yes or no vote as well
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LOL!
No offense Riff, you gotta admit, that’s FUNNY!
December 7th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Denver 2 yrs is like 1 yr in Raiderland.
or i should say 1yr without results is = two years somewhere else and not producing shyyyt. Also he got canned during the season
December 7th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
#398…still failing basic comprehension I see
I said he walked into a stable situation FOR HIMSELF.
The other point you countered is more valid a debate…roster talent.
My contention there is Hue had 90% of the roster Tom had and Allen had 90% the roster that Hue had.
The same roster COACHED to 8-8 x2. And both of them, again, had far more hassles with management and injuries and players like Russell, than what Allen has had to contend with. They made that roster 8-8. Whilst Allen has them 3-10.
Hue also had Palmer coming off the couch, mid-season, crash-course offense, no chemistry to work with. Allen had a whole off-season/pre-season to work with his roster, his QB, the schemes and chemsitry.
What Allen coached resulted in 3-10, given all the resources and management help he needed and asked for. He was the golden boy new HC of the new regime by the newly appointed golden boy GM. He entered with far more opportunity and support around him to succeed, and engineered a train-wreck.
Hue and Cable both had far greater obstacles in every facet, and did more with less/same.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Besides if Gruden did decide to come back, I think him and Tarver, would look good as brothers Chucky 1&2!
December 7th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Scourge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
[snippage]
If the minority is universally filled with highly intelligent people, they will lose the vote, but they probably were right in their stance. See the difference?
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Riff, how do you know the minority in this case is highly intelligent? That someone else is “intelligent” based on blog posts is highly subjective, is it not? And relative to one’s own perceived intelligence in comparison? And said poll is unscientific. The “intelligent” minority may simply be parroting what they’ve heard other (actual) intelligent people say. Just a thought.
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Parroting what other (actual) intelligent people say may not make you intelligent yourself, but it certainly doesnt put you in the dumb group.
All your points are valid.
I was just offering up food for thought.
Of the 3 people who were against it at the time of me posting that, they are all people that are solid contributors here and I believe they make rational arguments with sound logic. Of course, that is my opinion. But when that opinion is also shared by people with high football IQs, it makes it easier to cast judgement in those peoples favors.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I think we have to see what DA plans to do about his Offense before we talk about dismissing him. The defense is worse than I’ve ever seen a Raider defense and that is saying a lot the last 5 or so years, but the scheme seems ok, although some of the unconventional alignments ( crowding the line of scrimmage, ala the ‘ol Bandit defense that got canned in the early 80’s) may be more desperation than something the coaches truly believe in
December 7th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Post 417 GG great point!
December 7th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
The point is you have to at least give him year 2 and try to improve the roster. On this team there is now Tim Brown, Romo, Jerry, Garner, Wheatley, Gannon. This team has very little talent and your lying to yourself if you think otherwise.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Riff, understood. I didn’t see the replies to your original until I thought about, typed and posted my response. I see what you’re saying.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
26 – 5
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
GG,
There can no stability when everything is new. Period.
You don’t get handed stability, you create it.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Scourge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
It’s Friday evening and we’re discussing the validity and reliability of blog polls?! FML!!!!!!!!!
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You´ll feel better if you type the complete word, try this:
Fúck. Just an example.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
I give DA/KNAPP some credit.. It really took some effort on destroying the offense and making it look worse since 2007
they also did a good job of making the defense even worse! Giving up more points and yards since PRE AL ERA
Good job guys!
December 7th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Besides if Gruden did decide to come back, I think him and Tarver, would look good as brothers Chucky 1&2!
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And there´s rumors he wants to bring his brother Jay to work with him.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
ArtilleryShell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I think we have to see what DA plans to do about his Offense before we talk about dismissing him. The defense is worse than I’ve ever seen a Raider defense and that is saying a lot the last 5 or so years, but the scheme seems ok, although some of the unconventional alignments ( crowding the line of scrimmage, ala the ‘ol Bandit defense that got canned in the early 80’s) may be more desperation than something the coaches truly believe in
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I remember the play where Gio got a PI in the endzone. The scheme was correct and the right person got doubled, HOWEVER, Gio doesn’t turn his head to find the ball and a PI is called even though he was in the right place. This is classic bad execution.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
428. Bring ‘em on. Fifteen coaches on the sidelines looking like Chucky Gruden.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Post 427 lol classic!
December 7th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
MEX_GHOST Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Besides if Gruden did decide to come back, I think him and Tarver, would look good as brothers Chucky 1&2!
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And there´s rumors he wants to bring his brother Jay to work with him.
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If True, Jay would have to be Hired as an assistant HC.
Lateral moves are verboten unless the Bungles were to let Him out of His contract.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
No for Gruden as HC….
I mean he got fired from TB for a reason! He isnt the best analyzer of talent and trying to recreate the past is what brought us Shell #2. No, no, and more no.
Be more creative with coaching hires
December 7th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
I vote Yes on Prop Gruden.
BTW, any new news on this today, or still nothing since the Raids’ denial?
December 7th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
ArtilleryShell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I think we have to see what DA plans to do about his Offense before we talk about dismissing him. The defense is worse than I’ve ever seen a Raider defense and that is saying a lot the last 5 or so years, but the scheme seems ok, although some of the unconventional alignments ( crowding the line of scrimmage, ala the ‘ol Bandit defense that got canned in the early 80’s) may be more desperation than something the coaches truly believe in
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I remember the play where Gio got a PI in the endzone. The scheme was correct and the right person got doubled, HOWEVER, Gio doesn’t turn his head to find the ball and a PI is called even though he was in the right place. This is classic bad execution.
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And this happens at least 2-3 times on nearly every single series (offense or defense).
We have a lot of guys on this team that wont even be in the league this time next year. So far, out of the 27-29 guys we’ve cut from last year, half of them arent in the league, and by this offseason, the other half probably wont either.
Chances are we are going to cut just as many people this offseason, and most of them wont be in the league either.
Some of that just happens to be the nature of the NFL with relation to pensions and high turnover. But its still an alarming figure when you think about. it. Most of our roster is indeed, practice squad material.
Honestly, if you were another team, who would you trade for on our team? Who on our team would you trade a 3rd round pick for? You probably cant name one guy.
Seriously, not one guy on our team is worth a 3rd round pick from anyone in the league. That is a very sad state of affairs.
Toss in a horrible salary cap situation and no draft picks, and its easy to see how steep the climb is going to be.
And just for one last punch in the gut, take a look at how many guys we have on this team that make around 10 million a year. We have a lot for how little wins we have.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
One Q to the Semi´s.
Is the Head coach money guaranteed?
December 7th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Very easy to decipher Junior’s robocoach speak.
He has a 4 year contract, 3 more to go.
He’s the ZarMac’s pet project.
Marky has given the keys to the Nation to the Zar.
Marky will eat his frustration because someone up above him recommended BigMac for the job. I doubt very much that Marky even knew BigMac, remember he said he knew he didn’t know.
The only thing bigger than BigMac is his ego, so we the fans better step back.
Meanwhile, up in the castle, they’re highly upset because of the chokey rumors, even with their adamant denial instead of pacifying the masses it has gotten them more riled up, to the point of starting a fan campaign to bring chokey back. Good luck with that one.
Junior said he is not displeased with Carcux mistakes, something like 36 in 23 games, 16 losses, and counting, and that Carcux is “one of the guys we have to lean on going forward.” Translation: damn the torpedos, the Nation better put aside any ideas of Pryor getting any play whatsoever, as long as Carcux is standing.
I know there’s a strong critical focus on the roster’s ability and talent, Junior telling us “he knew what we were dealing with? So, we should expect that most of what was here before he came, will be let go, except those guys he’s leaning on, of course.
Did anyone in the presser asked Junior how pleased he is with coaches? How about his staff’s future? Of course, no one would ask because he wouldn’t answer.
Any mention of still believing in the Krappy system? Has the scheme worked, been tweaked, canned, what? Hey, the system has given Carcux a “career year.” Big deal, right?
How about the defensive schemes? Sure there are depth problems, most teams have them, but getting out coached is also a weekly reality in the NFL. How about the team’s game preparation and planning? Is that still on the bucket list of things that need to wait?
So are Krappy, Tarver, the line coaches, special teams, are they still here for the long term? Just how long is long?
LoNeal was on the radio here speaking about Nerd Turner’s future with the doltz. He basically repeated that Nerd is a great OC but not head coach material that would lead man into battle. He highly praised HueSux as a leader of man and spoke about his work with the Raiders, and recommended Hue for the doltz’s HC job. I swear I couldn’t stop laughing, almost drove off the road. Yes, please Spanos hire Hue.
But, does Junior have the wherewithal to lead man into battle? or is he just another good nerdy coordinator that can’t lead worth his salt?
There’s a projection that says 9 current head coaches in the league will be fired at the end of this season, so much for the idea that good players make good coaches.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Art shell was never a superbowl winning coach.. be more creative like hire someone who only has one year a a DC with a defense that wasnt even good to be good with?
Maybe someoneon creative like DA.. so he can hire someone even more creative like KNAPP.
just stop u sound foolish
December 7th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
I vote Yes on Prop Gruden.
BTW, any new news on this today, or still nothing since the Raids’ denial?
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The new news is that Papa has done a 180 and is now clamoring for the move.
And Gannon was petitioning for it as well on the radio today.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I vote yes on Gruden(even though I think he’s overrated due to the fact it would get rid of Tits…Still would rather have Hue over him.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
MEX_GHOST Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
One Q to the Semi´s.
Is the Head coach money guaranteed?
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Yes, until he re-signs another coaching gig.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
I bet you if the Fagggy chargers hired HUE.. he’d beat DA’s defense
December 7th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
#425…
I didnt mean to disrespect you btw with “comprehension skills” but hopefully you can see what i meant by now reading #417.
Cable had kiffin/Knapp/Hue/Al/Russell/Herrera/Hanson/wife-beating/media hassles around him.
Hue had bresnahan, al dying, palmer off the couch, multiple wrs injured for spans of weeks, shaughnessy gone, no gm, doing it himself as well as hc, the media against him, etc.
allen walked into job security above and around him, full staff and roster control, no internal wolves in sheeps clothing, no raider icon dying on him and him having to gm as well, no qb off the couch, most of the team healthy all year, except at CB, has all the support of Mark and Reggie thru the year, all the media on his side from the get go, etc.
If you’re given essentially the same pieces and far more security and management support and far more personal control…you have it a lot easier and you’re walking into a situation that is stable for yourself. And he has engineered a train-wreck compared to the previous two coaches. Means he is that bad as a HC.
anyway, dont wanna continue repeating myself. you can disagree, not saying you can’t. just you gotta admit allen has had it much easier/better, more conducive to succeed, but has failed and failed incredibly badly at that.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
28 – 6
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
ArtilleryShell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I think we have to see what DA plans to do about his Offense before we talk about dismissing him. The defense is worse than I’ve ever seen a Raider defense and that is saying a lot the last 5 or so years, but the scheme seems ok, although some of the unconventional alignments ( crowding the line of scrimmage, ala the ‘ol Bandit defense that got canned in the early 80’s) may be more desperation than something the coaches truly believe in
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I remember the play where Gio got a PI in the endzone. The scheme was correct and the right person got doubled, HOWEVER, Gio doesn’t turn his head to find the ball and a PI is called even though he was in the right place. This is classic bad execution.
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And this happens at least 2-3 times on nearly every single series (offense or defense).
We have a lot of guys on this team that wont even be in the league this time next year. So far, out of the 27-29 guys we’ve cut from last year, half of them arent in the league, and by this offseason, the other half probably wont either.
Chances are we are going to cut just as many people this offseason, and most of them wont be in the league either.
Some of that just happens to be the nature of the NFL with relation to pensions and high turnover. But its still an alarming figure when you think about. it. Most of our roster is indeed, practice squad material.
Honestly, if you were another team, who would you trade for on our team? Who on our team would you trade a 3rd round pick for? You probably cant name one guy.
Seriously, not one guy on our team is worth a 3rd round pick from anyone in the league. That is a very sad state of affairs.
Toss in a horrible salary cap situation and no draft picks, and its easy to see how steep the climb is going to be.
And just for one last punch in the gut, take a look at how many guys we have on this team that make around 10 million a year. We have a lot for how little wins we have.
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Agreed. Coaching is a problem, but player execution is a far bigger on when you consider this:
WE HAVE ONE OF THE TOP 5 MOST EXPENSIVE ROSTERS. Do you think they’re worth it? Simple yes or no
December 7th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
I bet you if the Fagggy chargers hired HUE.. he’d beat DA’s defense
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Oh he would dominate it.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
MEX_GHOST Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
One Q to the Semi´s.
Is the Head coach money guaranteed?
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Yes, until he re-signs another coaching gig.
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That´s not good for us, ´cause guarantees 2-3 years of DA too, Mark only will fire DA when he feels he´s not wasting his money.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
439. Either way still great PR for THE RAIDERS front office and execs. Got us all pumped up over a 3-10 football team, whilst the jaguars blog (who are supposedly worse than us) only 25 guys and gals are discussing the weather for their sundays game! Unbelievable!
December 7th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Stephen curry is killing the Nets right now, he cant miss. Now just think some people were saying he should be traded because of his ankles… Doesnt seem to be a problem this season.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Art shell was never a superbowl winning coach.. be more creative like hire someone who only has one year a a DC with a defense that wasnt even good to be good with?
Maybe someoneon creative like DA.. so he can hire someone even more creative like KNAPP.
just stop u sound foolish
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Right I sound foolish, but you want Gruden.
Let’s see how it plays out in reality.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
#437 … excellent post.
Just want to paste a particularly good point…
zopi Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
{snip}
There’s a projection that says 9 current head coaches in the league will be fired at the end of this season, so much for the idea that good players make good coaches.
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December 7th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Wcw!!! David Lee!
December 7th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
#447…
DA costs say $2m a year, buying out last three years of contract, $6m loss. What mark earns from ticket/merch sales with a gruden hire more than offsets that loss.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Right, Mex
December 7th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
MEX_GHOST Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
MEX_GHOST Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
One Q to the Semi´s.
Is the Head coach money guaranteed?
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Yes, until he re-signs another coaching gig.
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That´s not good for us, ´cause guarantees 2-3 years of DA too, Mark only will fire DA when he feels he´s not wasting his money.
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One thing Im sure of, is that DA will get another gig in the NFL as a coordinator if he is fired.
But Im pretty sure, that he still gets paid by us. We only have to stop paying him if he signs a HC job. Which wont happen for a while.
But Im not 100% on all of this. Im just trying to remember off the top of my head. So dont take this to the bank.
Things have changed over the last decade or so since the coaches got organized. I cant remember if they formed a union or not, but they definitely stick together and have good protection in their contracts.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
#447…
DA costs say $2m a year, buying out last three years of contract, $6m loss. What mark earns from ticket/merch sales with a gruden hire more than offsets that loss.
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Very sound point.
Its not just ticket sales, but sponsorship revenue will go through the roof.
Gruden is by far and away the most marketable coach their is. Madden 2.0
December 7th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★★
Dudes -Hue Jackson and Tom CableGuy did
better and are better than Allen and Tarver !
Hue Jackson 8-8
Allen 3-13
Give me Hue with hands tie behind his back and a
DUCT TAPE MOUTH!
December 7th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Hiring Gruden would not be a good idea, but the coaching staff definitely needs changing -> Knapp
December 7th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Fúck.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
456. Gotta spend money, to make more money.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Fúck. Fúck.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Post 450 raiders all day I advise you to document that post for when DA gets fired and chucky gets the nod to make 8raider look like the jackazz he is. Its obvious grudens coming back reading between the lines you have to be blind to not be able to see the fine print.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Taiwan Jones is thinking of making a position switch to CB.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
“Streater, Burris, Wheeler, Adams.
“Reggie picks.”
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Great picks at a low cost, yet there are those who don’t give RM credit for his eye.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Better already!
December 7th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Post 450 raiders all day I advise you to document that post for when DA gets fired and chucky gets the nod to make 8raider look like the jackazz he is. Its obvious grudens coming back reading between the lines you have to be blind to not be able to see the fine print.
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Hey I’ll take my shots if he comes, but if he doesn’t I’ll be roasting your a$$$ on a stick for a while.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
I bet you if the Fagggy chargers hired HUE.. he’d beat DA’s defense
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Oh he would dominate it.
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No way Spanos would hire HJ. Never going to happen.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
man cork…try to hide the man crush on DA…lmao…
December 7th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Taiwan Jones 16 carries for 73 yards as a rookie #3 under Hue Jackson, who knew how to utilize an entire roster.
Taiwan Jones (and Pryor, Ausberry) under Allen/Knapp….dejected, either wanting to be on another team who believe in them and give them an opportunity, or having to ponder position switches to stay with their beloved Raiders, simply because HC/OC/DC and probably GM (who runs the entire football op) are inept.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I will also say Reggie Mck made a horrible decision in stability by not retaining Hue
December 7th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I stick with Allen one more season and fire the hell out of knapp.
No to gruden
December 7th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
never thought id see the day the dischargers would have a better gm than oakland…
December 7th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
I don’t quite understand the logic in keeping Allen around. This team has regressed to the point of embarrassment. We have not seen any signs of improvement. So do we keep him around to have a stable, but yet horrific team?
December 7th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
never thought id see the day the dischargers would have a better gm than oakland…
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AJ is getting fired after week 16.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Speaking of polls….
You know what I always thought would have been a great idea for the XFL.
They should have made the games interactive for the fans.
Allow us to go online and vote on the next play. Remove the OC’s and DC’s from the equation on gameday.
OCs and DCs had to submit a variety of their own plays on the week of the game. And then it was up to the fans to decide by voting, on which play would be sent into the QB in the huddle.
Play clock would remain the same. 40 seconds. Fans would get on line and have time from the whistle, and to the 25 second mark on the play clock to cast their vote. Then the play with the most votes would get sent in.
In each circumstance, in order to speed things up, fans would only have to choose between 4 plays on their computer screens. These would be based on down-and-distance parameters pre-set by the OCs and DCs.
It would make for some damn interesting games. And would have been very popular for fans. It would have been like real life X-Box.
Not only would fans be debating who had the better team, but who were actually the smarter fans!
The UFL should think about doing this. Tell me that you guys wouldt want to get involved in something like that.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
shhhh dont say anything bad about DA…cork will get his panties in a knot…
December 7th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
28 – 7
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
morilla…i know, anybody they hire is an instant upgrade over reggie…
December 7th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Al had 10 years and this crew has had 1 off season and 13 games.
Knee jerk anyone?
December 7th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Raider Riff Says:
Jesusraiderjim – yes
raider riff – yes
MiamiRaider78 – yes
JONGRUDEN2013 – yes
eastoaklandraider – yes
Poprox13 – yes
Nw8r – yes
Papa – yes
Jackie Biby – yes
RaiderLen – yes
Dakota – yes
Kirk – yes
Fingers – yes
GG – yes
RaiderJambo – yes
JLofty – yes
RaidingTexas – yes
Zymurge – no
Inonewordraider – yes
Hendu – yes
Purvisman – no
19-2
December 7th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I will also say Reggie Mck made a horrible decision in stability by not retaining Hue
———-
It was Marks decision. Not Reggies.
And Hue gave Mark no choice.
Let’s move on from that. It’s been beaten to death.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
yes
December 7th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Yes on Proposition Gruden with the disclaimer attached. A GM/HC does not work.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
28 – 8
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
3-13…
December 7th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Sorry, Riff. 28 – 8
December 7th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
30 – 8
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Prop Gruden has taken a dive in the polls.
From a 12-1 start to now just a 3-1 advantage.
Somebody get Fox News on this. We need a prediction (that will go horribly wrong).
December 7th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Raider Riff, the reason people keep bringing up Hue isn’t because they expect him to come back. Its used as a baseline for this season. We were 8-8 with basically the same roster last year and now we are a laughing stock.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
466 thats fine, but im confident DA eill be replaced so I hope youre not sensitive cus ima be on your case as well when im proven right.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Rudegruden Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Raider Riff, the reason people keep bringing up Hue isn’t because they expect him to come back. Its used as a baseline for this season. We were 8-8 with basically the same roster last year and now we are a laughing stock.
———–
first of all, if that is why Hue is continually being brought up, then people need to stop blaming Reggie in their posts.
secondly, if Hue is the baseline, then the “Hue Loyalists” need to take into consideration that Hue wanted to gut this team just as bad as Reggie and DA want to.
After all, it was his rant about gutting this team and taking control that got him fired. You’d think the “Hue Loyalists” wouldnt be so quick to forget just how sick of this roster Hue was.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Bad Reggie Moves : Dennis Allen, Brisel, Bartell, Spencer, Hanson, letting Bush, Satelle go, firing long time scouts and hiring his brother.
So far he gets a D. I’ll give him a mulligan this year but really needs to have a great draft and strong moves in the offeason – this ain’t Green Bay – he has to make the big decisions now basically on his own. And the coaching mess needs to be addressed.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Gruden = Yes (ain’t gonna happen but it would great if it did)
December 7th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
31 – 8
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
I rarely agree with Fat Ratto, but he repeated on the TV what I said here that there is no way chokey returns to coach the Raiders, if for nothing else because the Raiders couldn’t afford the asking price, the bottom line he said.
Well, yes there always a way to pay, I say give chokey a part of the team, give him the keys to the castle. What a concept? An owner-coach, only Mr. Davis could ever think of that.
As much as I know the chokey fantasy would never come true, I here say it once again, I would walk all the way to OakTown to praise king chokey, so it’s said.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Hue wanted to gut the Defense, which we can all agree needed to be done and still needs to be done. The Defense is a 2-3 year fix from last year.
However, Reggie gutted the entire team, including every coach and the offense. So now its a 2-3 year just to get back to where we were.
What Reggie did does not make sense. It was an ego move that has turned this team upside down.
As for DA, I like the guy, but he’s not any good and won’t turn this team around. I don’t want to wait 2-3 years for him to pull a Dave Shula on us.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
28 – 6
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
==========
YES
December 7th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Ron Wolf could’ve been for the Reggie hire as it would’ve fast-tracked his son Eliot’s rise inside the Packers.
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I dont think that this has been discussed or looked into enough.
********************************************************
I have a feeling it’s about to be, ad nauseum, with most of it being sheer speculation presented as fact.
Just going by the track record.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
If this site was more forum friendly, we could’ve had the mods post a simple poll widget. Then again, Steve would not allow such heresy against DA.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
aider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Speaking of polls….
You know what I always thought would have been a great idea for the XFL.
They should have made the games interactive for the fans.
Allow us to go online and vote on the next play. Remove the OC’s and DC’s from the equation on gameday.
OCs and DCs had to submit a variety of their own plays on the week of the game. And then it was up to the fans to decide by voting, on which play would be sent into the QB in the huddle.
Play clock would remain the same. 40 seconds. Fans would get on line and have time from the whistle, and to the 25 second mark on the play clock to cast their vote. Then the play with the most votes would get sent in.
In each circumstance, in order to speed things up, fans would only have to choose between 4 plays on their computer screens. These would be based on down-and-distance parameters pre-set by the OCs and DCs.
It would make for some damn interesting games. And would have been very popular for fans. It would have been like real life X-Box.
Not only would fans be debating who had the better team, but who were actually the smarter fans!
The UFL should think about doing this. Tell me that you guys wouldt want to get involved in something like that.
——————————–
I can see something like this happening in the next 10-15 years.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Wrong, why do ppl fall for that coaches are good as their players.
Who’s fault was it to change the entire system instead of fitting and tailoring each offense / defense for ur players? That was DA’s fault. it ws his fault he hired Knapp.
====
You’re missing a major point. Maybe he was under instructions to sacrifice winning this year in order to build the best system and team for the future. Cuz that’s exactly what Reggie is doing with the cap and the roster.
Let’s say that he believes that the system he is building with Tarver on D will work over time as he is able to design it, refine it, get the initial training into the existing team and then ultimately upgrade the talent at the spots that need it the most for fitting the system. Same thing with Knapp’s proven successful system on the offensive side. If the learning curve and the cap limitations mean forcing a square peg roster into a round system hole, so be it. The team will suck this year.
This is the investment strategy that will get the team to nirvana the fastest. Every sacrifice that they make to win now that slows down getting to the big picture is wasted. Remember, this year was pronounced dead on arrival the day Reggie stepped in and said he was replacing the coaching staff and making the cuts necessary to fix the long neglected cap situation.
The short sighted impatience with the fans is understandable, but it’s not helpful. This team is the Phoenix that needs to burn down and rise from the ashes. In order to do that, you can’t say well last year’s Phoenix could still limp along flying halfway decently, so why set it on fire now? You have to light that match and burn it down to make room for the new regime. And for that to happen, you can’t change the regime just when they are planning the next steps of regrowth.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
33 – 8
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Like Al gets all blame as a GM. Then Reggie likewise for this train-wreck season, one of the all-time worst seasons in franchise history…especially made worse by the fact the team was 8-8 x2 on the cusp of playoffs with just minor tweaks.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Post 496 greatest point made of the day. Thank you for that bit of knowledge dropped
December 7th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Ron Wolf could’ve been for the Reggie hire as it would’ve fast-tracked his son Eliot’s rise inside the Packers.
———————————————
I dont think that this has been discussed or looked into enough.
********************************************************
I have a feeling it’s about to be, ad nauseum, with most of it being sheer speculation presented as fact.
Just going by the track record.
——-
hahahah, SO MUCH TRUTH TO THAT STATMENT
December 7th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Wrong, why do ppl fall for that coaches are good as their players.
Who’s fault was it to change the entire system instead of fitting and tailoring each offense / defense for ur players? That was DA’s fault. it ws his fault he hired Knapp.
====
You’re missing a major point. Maybe he was under instructions to sacrifice winning this year in order to build the best system and team for the future. Cuz that’s exactly what Reggie is doing with the cap and the roster.
Let’s say that he believes that the system he is building with Tarver on D will work over time as he is able to design it, refine it, get the initial training into the existing team and then ultimately upgrade the talent at the spots that need it the most for fitting the system. Same thing with Knapp’s proven successful system on the offensive side. If the learning curve and the cap limitations mean forcing a square peg roster into a round system hole, so be it. The team will suck this year.
This is the investment strategy that will get the team to nirvana the fastest. Every sacrifice that they make to win now that slows down getting to the big picture is wasted. Remember, this year was pronounced dead on arrival the day Reggie stepped in and said he was replacing the coaching staff and making the cuts necessary to fix the long neglected cap situation.
The short sighted impatience with the fans is understandable, but it’s not helpful. This team is the Phoenix that needs to burn down and rise from the ashes. In order to do that, you can’t say well last year’s Phoenix could still limp along flying halfway decently, so why set it on fire now? You have to light that match and burn it down to make room for the new regime. And for that to happen, you can’t change the regime just when they are planning the next steps of regrowth.
——–
GREAT POST
December 7th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Zymurge, That logic would be acceptable if we were improving throughout the year. Not only are we getting worse, we have turned into the worst team in the league (well KC could have that crown). Its not working, thats the problem. Fans are upset because we haven’t improved, in fact its the exact opposite. I didn’t expect the playoffs, but how can anyone except what is going on or think its anything other than a complete disaster?
December 7th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
BTW, I found it hilarious McDonald gave this staff a B for a coaching. We get beat by 13 at home, get behind by 13 early, get blanked in the 3rd quarter and don’t provide help for Barnes against Miller…Yes all traits of a successful staff.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
501.Zymurge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Wrong, why do ppl fall for that coaches are good as their players.
Who’s fault was it to change the entire system instead of fitting and tailoring each offense / defense for ur players? That was DA’s fault. it ws his fault he hired Knapp.
====
You’re missing a major point. Maybe he was under instructions to sacrifice winning this year in order to build the best system and team for the future. Cuz that’s exactly what Reggie is doing with the cap and the roster.
Let’s say that he believes that the system he is building with Tarver on D will work over time as he is able to design it, refine it, get the initial training into the existing team and then ultimately upgrade the talent at the spots that need it the most for fitting the system. Same thing with Knapp’s proven successful system on the offensive side. If the learning curve and the cap limitations mean forcing a square peg roster into a round system hole, so be it. The team will suck this year.
This is the investment strategy that will get the team to nirvana the fastest. Every sacrifice that they make to win now that slows down getting to the big picture is wasted. Remember, this year was pronounced dead on arrival the day Reggie stepped in and said he was replacing the coaching staff and making the cuts necessary to fix the long neglected cap situation.
The short sighted impatience with the fans is understandable, but it’s not helpful. This team is the Phoenix that needs to burn down and rise from the ashes. In order to do that, you can’t say well last year’s Phoenix could still limp along flying halfway decently, so why set it on fire now? You have to light that match and burn it down to make room for the new regime. And for that to happen, you can’t change the regime just when they are planning the next steps of regrowth.
********************************************************
Precisely. I just hope Mark Davis understands what’s going on. As I’ve said before, if he starts acting like the old man and blowing things up prematurely we’re going to be in really bad shape for a really long time.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Morilla Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
aider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Speaking of polls….
You know what I always thought would have been a great idea for the XFL.
They should have made the games interactive for the fans.
Allow us to go online and vote on the next play. Remove the OC’s and DC’s from the equation on gameday.
OCs and DCs had to submit a variety of their own plays on the week of the game. And then it was up to the fans to decide by voting, on which play would be sent into the QB in the huddle.
Play clock would remain the same. 40 seconds. Fans would get on line and have time from the whistle, and to the 25 second mark on the play clock to cast their vote. Then the play with the most votes would get sent in.
In each circumstance, in order to speed things up, fans would only have to choose between 4 plays on their computer screens. These would be based on down-and-distance parameters pre-set by the OCs and DCs.
It would make for some damn interesting games. And would have been very popular for fans. It would have been like real life X-Box.
Not only would fans be debating who had the better team, but who were actually the smarter fans!
The UFL should think about doing this. Tell me that you guys wouldt want to get involved in something like that.
——————————–
I can see something like this happening in the next 10-15 years.
———-
If a rival league does it, then the NFL better watch out.
December 7th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
501.Zymurge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Wrong, why do ppl fall for that coaches are good as their players.
Who’s fault was it to change the entire system instead of fitting and tailoring each offense / defense for ur players? That was DA’s fault. it ws his fault he hired Knapp.
====
You’re missing a major point. Maybe he was under instructions to sacrifice winning this year in order to build the best system and team for the future. Cuz that’s exactly what Reggie is doing with the cap and the roster.
Let’s say that he believes that the system he is building with Tarver on D will work over time as he is able to design it, refine it, get the initial training into the existing team and then ultimately upgrade the talent at the spots that need it the most for fitting the system. Same thing with Knapp’s proven successful system on the offensive side. If the learning curve and the cap limitations mean forcing a square peg roster into a round system hole, so be it. The team will suck this year.
This is the investment strategy that will get the team to nirvana the fastest. Every sacrifice that they make to win now that slows down getting to the big picture is wasted. Remember, this year was pronounced dead on arrival the day Reggie stepped in and said he was replacing the coaching staff and making the cuts necessary to fix the long neglected cap situation.
The short sighted impatience with the fans is understandable, but it’s not helpful. This team is the Phoenix that needs to burn down and rise from the ashes. In order to do that, you can’t say well last year’s Phoenix could still limp along flying halfway decently, so why set it on fire now? You have to light that match and burn it down to make room for the new regime. And for that to happen, you can’t change the regime just when they are planning the next steps of regrowth.
********************************************************
Precisely. I just hope Mark Davis understands what’s going on. As I’ve said before, if he starts acting like the old man and blowing things up prematurely we’re going to be in really bad shape for a really long time.
——–
Yep.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Put me down for a big YES for Jon Gruden coming back!
December 7th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Here is food for thought good peeps:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/07/keyshawn-gruden-reuniting-in-tampa-this-weekend/
I know I know…Keshawn but I remember raider players talking about how much nicer it was when gruden left and how pety he could be and how big the dog house was etc etc etc…
He has a special place for every raider fan…but we are building a system team now not a player or coach based team. That’s why we stick with da
December 7th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Shutdown on Gruden: no
December 7th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Nice work up there riff et al
December 7th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Precisely. I just hope Mark Davis understands what’s going on. As I’ve said before, if he starts acting like the old man and blowing things up prematurely we’re going to be in really bad shape for a really long time.
Nope…we will just get what we have always got.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
34 – 9
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Bad Reggie Moves : Dennis Allen, Brisel, Bartell, Spencer, Hanson, letting Bush, Satelle go, firing long time scouts and hiring his brother.
So far he gets a D. I’ll give him a mulligan this year but really needs to have a great draft and strong moves in the offeason – this ain’t Green Bay – he has to make the big decisions now basically on his own. And the coaching mess needs to be addressed.
=====
Good Reggie Movies; Streater, Burris, Wheeler
jury still out; Criner, Jack Crawford, Bergstrom
December 7th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I will also say Reggie Mck made a horrible decision in stability by not retaining Hue
—
You got that right now we’re stuck with inferiority for years to come – if Hue gets the Chargers job, it’ll be an even worse hell.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Reggie blew up the team like they were 3-13 last year.
They were 8-8 with potential. Very DUMB move. Almost cocky. All that “My guy” crap.
Somebody needs to be FIRED ASAP.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Players who would most likely be more effective at a different position or at least tried at a different position:
• Wiz 2.0 @ LG
• Carlisle @ RG
• DMac @ slot receiver
• DHB @ KOR
• Reece @ TE
• TP6 @ WR
• TJones @ CB
• Houston @ DT
• Seymour @ retirement
• Knapp @ waterboy
December 7th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Raider Guy Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Here is food for thought good peeps:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/07/keyshawn-gruden-reuniting-in-tampa-this-weekend/
I know I know…Keshawn but I remember raider players talking about how much nicer it was when gruden left and how pety he could be and how big the dog house was etc etc etc…
He has a special place for every raider fan…but we are building a system team now not a player or coach based team. That’s why we stick with da
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I think a lot of big mouths who got their ego bruised run their mouths in Tampa. Dungy didnt win DIDDLY, and neither did the other big mouth that dissed Gruden (Shawn King).
The only thing Gruden really lacked was a good QB, and he had too many too soon in Tampa. He’d have Palmer on a short leash, preach balance, and get a respected knowledgeable coaching staff.
A lot of these people have axes to grind, usually because they werent very good and they have a platform to run their mouths.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
I take it RaiderSam is a yes vote on Prop 4?
aka Prop 4th SuperBowl
aka Prop Gruden
December 7th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
In any business situation when something bad like this happens somebody gets FIRED.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Not to mention how many investors GRUDEN would bring to the team.
They want to put money into a Team led by Gruden because they know he is a profibable , big figure.
Help Mark out with a new stadium. Dare I say the Raiders can actually make money?
I know its hard to believe right now with more blackouts coming
December 7th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Zymurge had a good point until he said…
“Knapp’s proven successful system”
December 7th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
rudegruden Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Zymurge, That logic would be acceptable if we were improving throughout the year. Not only are we getting worse, we have turned into the worst team in the league (well KC could have that crown). Its not working, thats the problem. Fans are upset because we haven’t improved, in fact its the exact opposite. I didn’t expect the playoffs, but how can anyone except what is going on or think its anything other than a complete disaster?
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I think the team hit the bottom a few games back. The last two have not been as bad as the three before, where they gave up something like 1,245 total points. In fact, the defense looks just a tad more consistent with Rolando — a bold move by DA to stick a nobody in for a high first round pick.
They held Denver to what? One legit TD, one freebie on the fumble on the 1, and then stopped them for FGs on the rest. This with 4 days to prepare for Manning’s offense that has put up 30+ on 6 of their last 7 opponents.
The offense was looking better and better as first Reece and then Stewart were showing that the ZBS can work with the right RB. Then DMac returns and the ground game goes in the dumper (minus one run) forcing them into a one dimensional offense again.
I think the team is playing right about where it should be given the hand dealt. I also see that the OL is beginning to adapt to the ZBS, which we all knew takes a season to get going. The defense is undermanned talent wise, and having to learn how to play without a dominant Seymour that they were used to in previous years. It’s not great, but it’s progress if you do look at it game by game, and that’s all that I’m concerned with in a complete rebuilding year.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
er, that should be WITHOUT Rolando
December 7th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RaidO Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Reggie blew up the team like they were 3-13 last year.
They were 8-8 with potential. Very DUMB move. Almost cocky. All that “My guy” crap.
Somebody needs to be FIRED ASAP.
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The smart move was to lose the expensive contracts, and it looks dumb because they WERENT A VERY GOOD .500 team. They had to resort to gadget plays, blocked FG’s, wins v . back up QBs and rookie QB’s like Ponder – and the Browns, Bears and Vikes still nearly came back to win.
Hard to find patience after a decade..but it is, what it is. I think many just think how could we be any worse/we’d be better with another coach – just arent realistic.
Bad drafts, bad free agents, and coaching turnover. Colts had Bill Polian and a top pick in a draft with a great QB – we’ll have the top 3 pick in a draft with no true franchise QBs. AGAIN.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
I would have taken my chancers with HUE moving foward to build this team with then DA
December 7th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
I think the team hit the bottom a few games back. The last two have not been as bad as the three before, where they gave up something like 1,245 total points. In fact, the defense looks just a tad more consistent with Rolando — a bold move by DA to stick a nobody in for a high first round pick.
They held Denver to what? One legit TD, one freebie on the fumble on the 1, and then stopped them for FGs on the rest. This with 4 days to prepare for Manning’s offense that has put up 30+ on 6 of their last 7 opponents.
The offense was looking better and better as first Reece and then Stewart were showing that the ZBS can work with the right RB. Then DMac returns and the ground game goes in the dumper (minus one run) forcing them into a one dimensional offense again.
I think the team is playing right about where it should be given the hand dealt. I also see that the OL is beginning to adapt to the ZBS, which we all knew takes a season to get going. The defense is undermanned talent wise, and having to learn how to play without a dominant Seymour that they were used to in previous years. It’s not great, but it’s progress if you do look at it game by game, and that’s all that I’m concerned with in a complete rebuilding year.
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Great points. They must hit on the next draft picks, period. All have to start and contribute right away, and they have to get free agents, too.
I think the hype is that Gruden would be able to command a better staff, pack the stadiums, create excitement, and get the attention of the players during a rebuild.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Funny how rich gannon, bill romo, jerry rice, or bruce gradkowski never had a problem with gruden but prima donna kj , a backup in shaun king who got benched by chucky, have negative things to say…. coinkidink
December 7th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
I would have taken my chancers with HUE moving foward to build this team with then DA
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Think Hue would’ve been able to reach McClain, get Carson comfortable, keep in the plays that worked for McFadden, and most importantly, get the d-coordinator he really wanted.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Zymurge had a good point until he said…
“Knapp’s proven successful system”
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You’re right. Houston’s offense sucks in this system. Seattle has a horrible ground game with Lynch running in the ZBS that Knapp installed years back and Cable has refined.
It is the same basic system, like it or not. The execution isn’t there yet and the talent levels are lacking, but the system is not the issue. You can argue with Knapp’s play calling within the system if you’d like — and you have a good argument in some cases. But if there were better execution, specifically in the ground game, it’d be a much, much different story.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Funny how rich gannon, bill romo, jerry rice, or bruce gradkowski never had a problem with gruden but prima donna kj , a backup in shaun king who got benched by chucky, have negative things to say…. coinkidink
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Exactly.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
“We want to win. That’s what it’s all about,” Allen said Friday, the day after a 26-13 loss to the Denver Broncos. “But I’ve got a big-picture view of what I want this team to look like. Reggie and I have talked about it. We knew what we were dealing with when we came here.
“We knew we had some depth issues on the roster and couldn’t sustain a lot of injuries.
We’ve sustained a few injuries in some spots … we all want to win, but I’m looking at the long-term future of this team.”
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Another sign of a guy who has no business being a HC. DA spewing excuse – blaming the depth, injuries – and the ’situation’ – you mean the 8-8 team with a top 10 offense you inherited you dickwad??? I want this joker gone yesterday.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RaidO,
December 7th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RaidO Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Reggie blew up the team like they were 3-13 last year.
They were 8-8 with potential. Very DUMB move. Almost cocky. All that “My guy” crap.
Somebody needs to be FIRED ASAP.
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The smart move was to lose the expensive contracts, and it looks dumb because they WERENT A VERY GOOD .500 team. They had to resort to gadget plays, blocked FG’s, wins v . back up QBs and rookie QB’s like Ponder – and the Browns, Bears and Vikes still nearly came back to win.
Hard to find patience after a decade..but it is, what it is. I think many just think how could we be any worse/we’d be better with another coach – just arent realistic.
Bad drafts, bad free agents, and coaching turnover. Colts had Bill Polian and a top pick in a draft with a great QB – we’ll have the top 3 pick in a draft with no true franchise QBs. AGAIN.
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I have to say “nonsense”. If JC and DMAC do not got down last year the Raiders would have made a playoff run meaning this years team would have be known as a VERY potential playoff team or Super Bowl favorite. Remember “Fix the D and cut down on penalties?
You can almost say they(Reggie,DA, Knapp, Tarver) took a playoff team and ran it into the ground.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaidO,
You cannot run a football front office with the same impatience that you run a regular business
New owners try that all the time and fail. When they learn patience, then the wins start to come. Stability = wins.
The football world is a bit different than corporate board rooms. JerryJones is still trying to figure that out.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Hue got screwed.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Zymurge had a good point until he said…
“Knapp’s proven successful system”
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You’re right. Houston’s offense sucks in this system. Seattle has a horrible ground game with Lynch running in the ZBS that Knapp installed years back and Cable has refined.
It is the same basic system, like it or not. The execution isn’t there yet and the talent levels are lacking, but the system is not the issue. You can argue with Knapp’s play calling within the system if you’d like — and you have a good argument in some cases. But if there were better execution, specifically in the ground game, it’d be a much, much different story.
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the issue is the lineman move horizontally and the defensive surge fills quickly. Knapp really has no counter punch, and they fall behind early with countless 3 and outs until its comeback time, and the defense is playing prevent (thus padding Palmer’s yardage stats)
December 7th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Hue got screwed.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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Its amazing how many idiots still think it was Reggies decision to fire Hue.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Hue got screwed.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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HIRE WHO TO REPLACE HIM?
PAY HIM WITH WHAT MONEY?
GET WHICH FREE AGENTS THAT WOULD BOTHER COMING HERE?
THINK BEFORE YOU POST “SOLUTIONS”
December 7th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Hue got screwed.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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Its amazing how many idiots still think it was Reggies decision to fire Hue.
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Forgive them lord. For they know not what they post.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
I have to say “nonsense”. If JC and DMAC do not got down last year the Raiders would have made a playoff run meaning this years team would have be known as a VERY potential playoff team or Super Bowl favorite. Remember “Fix the D and cut down on penalties?
You can almost say they(Reggie,DA, Knapp, Tarver) took a playoff team and ran it into the ground.
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The nonsense is believing the JC was the difference in winning and losing last year. The DEFENSE melted down. The offense got better under Palmer and Bush.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Zymurge had a good point until he said…
“Knapp’s proven successful system”
=====
You’re right. Houston’s offense sucks in this system. Seattle has a horrible ground game with Lynch running in the ZBS that Knapp installed years back and Cable has refined.
It is the same basic system, like it or not. The execution isn’t there yet and the talent levels are lacking, but the system is not the issue. You can argue with Knapp’s play calling within the system if you’d like — and you have a good argument in some cases. But if there were better execution, specifically in the ground game, it’d be a much, much different story.
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the issue is the lineman move horizontally and the defensive surge fills quickly. Knapp really has no counter punch, and they fall behind early with countless 3 and outs until its comeback time, and the defense is playing prevent (thus padding Palmer’s yardage stats)
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Ummm…. watch other teams that run the ZBS. Their lineman still move the LOS forward.
Our lineman arent any good. And the two that are, cant play in this system apparently.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaidO,
You cannot run a football front office with the same impatience that you run a regular business
New owners try that all the time and fail. When they learn patience, then the wins start to come. Stability = wins.
The football world is a bit different than corporate board rooms. JerryJones is still trying to figure that out.
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Yeah LOL “Stability”. They should have kept Hue.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
I have to say “nonsense”. If JC and DMAC do not got down last year the Raiders would have made a playoff run meaning this years team would have be known as a VERY potential playoff team or Super Bowl favorite. Remember “Fix the D and cut down on penalties?
You can almost say they(Reggie,DA, Knapp, Tarver) took a playoff team and ran it into the ground.
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The nonsense is believing the JC was the difference in winning and losing last year. The DEFENSE melted down. The offense got better under Palmer and Bush.
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JC was having a great year before he went down.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
RaidO Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaidO,
You cannot run a football front office with the same impatience that you run a regular business
New owners try that all the time and fail. When they learn patience, then the wins start to come. Stability = wins.
The football world is a bit different than corporate board rooms. JerryJones is still trying to figure that out.
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Yeah LOL “Stability”. They should have kept Hue.
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Hue shouldnt have gone off the deep end at that presser.
All his media crap throughout the year wasnt helping his cause. Then the end of the year deal just made retaining him impossible.
Hue got himself fired. He’s an idiot. A good coach, but a idiot non-the-less.
What is it with Raider fans and the inability to hold the proper people accountable? Al Davis did a number on a lot of you.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer said the Raiders aren’t real close to winning games right now, which counts as quite an understatement.
“I wouldn’t say that we’re on the cusp of it,” Palmer said. “I wouldn’t say it’s really close. Obviously, with some of the scores of these games and each week is something different. It’s been a handful of different things that have stopped us from being successful on offense, and I know you’ve just got to keep grinding, keep working.”
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Carson says we suck and probably wont get better any time soon…
is this what a “leader” is?
December 7th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Our lineman arent any good. And the two that are, cant play in this system apparently.
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Ya think? Maybe C Chris Meyers was the real free agent we shouldve gotten and kept wiz 2.0 at guard…started Bergstrom immediately and never went to Carlisle.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
It is the same basic system, like it or not. The execution isn’t there yet and the talent levels are lacking, but the system is not the issue. You can argue with Knapp’s play calling within the system if you’d like — and you have a good argument in some cases. But if there were better execution, specifically in the ground game, it’d be a much, much different story.
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the issue is the lineman move horizontally and the defensive surge fills quickly. Knapp really has no counter punch, and they fall behind early with countless 3 and outs until its comeback time, and the defense is playing prevent (thus padding Palmer’s yardage stats)
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That’s how the ZBS works. Explain please how Lynch and Foster are tearing up the league in this system if having lineman move sideways is flawed.
If you watch Stewart or Reece run, they wait for the natural gaps to expose themselves. Go watch highlights of APs great runs this year. You might be surprised to see most are behind a ZBS (they run a mix).
The D can’t fill every possible hole, which is what makes the ZBS so difficult to defend. Those guys, even with the mediocre line play, are putting up 4+ YPC which is all you need to move the chains and set up the pass. It’s only under DMac, who thrashes himself into one specific hole whether the DL is there or not that you get the consistent 3 and outs and are forced into a pass only offense.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer said the Raiders aren’t real close to winning games right now, which counts as quite an understatement.
“I wouldn’t say that we’re on the cusp of it,” Palmer said. “I wouldn’t say it’s really close. Obviously, with some of the scores of these games and each week is something different. It’s been a handful of different things that have stopped us from being successful on offense, and I know you’ve just got to keep grinding, keep working.”
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Carson says we suck and probably wont get better any time soon…
is this what a “leader” is?
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I absolutely cringed when he said “I think were a playoff team” earlier in the season. He’s a competitor a stat machine, but makes too many mistakes trying to do too much without a running game.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RaidO Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
I have to say “nonsense”. If JC and DMAC do not got down last year the Raiders would have made a playoff run meaning this years team would have be known as a VERY potential playoff team or Super Bowl favorite. Remember “Fix the D and cut down on penalties?
You can almost say they(Reggie,DA, Knapp, Tarver) took a playoff team and ran it into the ground.
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The nonsense is believing the JC was the difference in winning and losing last year. The DEFENSE melted down. The offense got better under Palmer and Bush.
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JC was having a great year before he went down.
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“great”…. yeah, ok.
Nothing about JC would have made it so Rolando could tackle Stafford, or Jacoby wouldnt let balls go off his hands against Denver, or DHB wouldnt fumble against the Lions.
I mean seriously, if DHB doesnt fumble against the Lions on the 10 yard line, we blow them out. Stop talking about JC. He may have not been the problem but he was far from the answer.
DHB’s drop in the end zone against SD during the final game? You think JC throwing him the ball would have made a difference? Yeah right.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Well atleast the wARRiors are winning this season.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Our lineman arent any good. And the two that are, cant play in this system apparently.
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Ya think? Maybe C Chris Meyers was the real free agent we shouldve gotten and kept wiz 2.0 at guard…started Bergstrom immediately and never went to Carlisle.
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Hindsight is always 20/20
December 7th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
RaidO Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaidO,
You cannot run a football front office with the same impatience that you run a regular business
New owners try that all the time and fail. When they learn patience, then the wins start to come. Stability = wins.
The football world is a bit different than corporate board rooms. JerryJones is still trying to figure that out.
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Yeah LOL “Stability”. They should have kept Hue.
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Hue shouldnt have gone off the deep end at that presser.
All his media crap throughout the year wasnt helping his cause. Then the end of the year deal just made retaining him impossible.
Hue got himself fired. He’s an idiot. A good coach, but a idiot non-the-less.
What is it with Raider fans and the inability to hold the proper people accountable? Al Davis did a number on a lot of you.
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That Hue stuff was so over blown. Yeah Hue got pissed and showed a little passion. He was right to.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
“We want to win. That’s what it’s all about,” Allen said Friday, the day after a 26-13 loss to the Denver Broncos. “But I’ve got a big-picture view of what I want this team to look like. Reggie and I have talked about it. We knew what we were dealing with when we came here.
“We knew we had some depth issues on the roster and couldn’t sustain a lot of injuries.
We’ve sustained a few injuries in some spots … we all want to win, but I’m looking at the long-term future of this team.”
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Another sign of a guy who has no business being a HC. DA spewing excuse – blaming the depth, injuries – and the ’situation’ – you mean the 8-8 team with a top 10 offense you inherited you dickwad??? I want this joker gone yesterday.
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THe guy has no innovations, no ability to lead or motivate. And any win in these last 3 would be fool’s gold.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
That’s how the ZBS works. Explain please how Lynch and Foster are tearing up the league in this system if having lineman move sideways is flawed.
If you watch Stewart or Reece run, they wait for the natural gaps to expose themselves. Go watch highlights of APs great runs this year. You might be surprised to see most are behind a ZBS (they run a mix).
The D can’t fill every possible hole, which is what makes the ZBS so difficult to defend. Those guys, even with the mediocre line play, are putting up 4+ YPC which is all you need to move the chains and set up the pass. It’s only under DMac, who thrashes himself into one specific hole whether the DL is there or not that you get the consistent 3 and outs and are forced into a pass only offense.
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Patience of the runner – McFadden doesnt gain momentum, he just takes off builds speed then powers into people. Perhaps a runner like Doug Martin…a bit shiftier side to side then powers quickly … looks like we’ll be needing a ZBS type runner on the shopping list , along with CB, ILB, DT, RT, and perhaps even safety.
Thats what makes the Gruden thing interesting….they can cut losses, get a name, and that name brings in more knowledgeable staff to break down precisely who they need and Gruden did it with bargain basement players the first time around.
Allen may compound things having to re-draft personnel to fit what he and Tarver want to do…in addition, they may need to re-evaluate their coaching staff…that type of rookie decision making is being scrutinized by Mark Davis, who needs answers and wins quickly. A stadium needs to get built and a fan base needs reassurance.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
RaidO Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
RaidO Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaidO,
You cannot run a football front office with the same impatience that you run a regular business
New owners try that all the time and fail. When they learn patience, then the wins start to come. Stability = wins.
The football world is a bit different than corporate board rooms. JerryJones is still trying to figure that out.
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Yeah LOL “Stability”. They should have kept Hue.
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Hue shouldnt have gone off the deep end at that presser.
All his media crap throughout the year wasnt helping his cause. Then the end of the year deal just made retaining him impossible.
Hue got himself fired. He’s an idiot. A good coach, but a idiot non-the-less.
What is it with Raider fans and the inability to hold the proper people accountable? Al Davis did a number on a lot of you.
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That Hue stuff was so over blown. Yeah Hue got pissed and showed a little passion. He was right to.
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Not overblown at all. It was coach-101 on how to get fired immediately.
The moment Al went down he should have stopped with the whole Al messiah complex and been kissing Mark’s ass.
Instead he belittled him in the presser and forced Mark’s hand.
Hue is a clever opportunist that usually understands politics better. But he royally schit the bed once Al went down.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
“We want to win. That’s what it’s all about,” Allen said Friday, the day after a 26-13 loss to the Denver Broncos. “But I’ve got a big-picture view of what I want this team to look like. Reggie and I have talked about it. We knew what we were dealing with when we came here.
“We knew we had some depth issues on the roster and couldn’t sustain a lot of injuries.
We’ve sustained a few injuries in some spots … we all want to win, but I’m looking at the long-term future of this team.”
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Another sign of a guy who has no business being a HC. DA spewing excuse – blaming the depth, injuries – and the ’situation’ – you mean the 8-8 team with a top 10 offense you inherited you dickwad??? I want this joker gone yesterday.
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THe guy has no innovations, no ability to lead or motivate. And any win in these last 3 would be fool’s gold.
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That was a weak 8-8 team, with few quality wins. They barely hung on to beat the Texans, did wacky plays to beat the Colt McCoy quarterbacked Browns…. the problem is TALENT. Aside from a few sacks, no one released is ripping it up. Did Routt? Yeah Satele is, but he was injury prone here. Amazing how good he is, with some talent around him.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Larry Grant on chronicle live tonite with papa. Im telling you guys the kid is a sleeper because he plays behind patrick willis but he can play and hes a free agent after the season im hoping we get him. Larry Grant 2013zs
December 7th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RaidO Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
I have to say “nonsense”. If JC and DMAC do not got down last year the Raiders would have made a playoff run meaning this years team would have be known as a VERY potential playoff team or Super Bowl favorite. Remember “Fix the D and cut down on penalties?
You can almost say they(Reggie,DA, Knapp, Tarver) took a playoff team and ran it into the ground.
======
The nonsense is believing the JC was the difference in winning and losing last year. The DEFENSE melted down. The offense got better under Palmer and Bush.
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JC was having a great year before he went down.
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“great”…. yeah, ok.
Nothing about JC would have made it so Rolando could tackle Stafford, or Jacoby wouldnt let balls go off his hands against Denver, or DHB wouldnt fumble against the Lions.
I mean seriously, if DHB doesnt fumble against the Lions on the 10 yard line, we blow them out. Stop talking about JC. He may have not been the problem but he was far from the answer.
DHB’s drop in the end zone against SD during the final game? You think JC throwing him the ball would have made a difference? Yeah right.
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LOL and you were just talking about “Stability”? How about “Stability” with your QB. It does make a difference.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Our lineman arent any good. And the two that are, cant play in this system apparently.
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Ya think? Maybe C Chris Meyers was the real free agent we shouldve gotten and kept wiz 2.0 at guard…started Bergstrom immediately and never went to Carlisle.
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Hindsight is always 20/20
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Whats done is done. What amazes me, is Allen drove out McClain, Curry, and before that Routt, Wimbley … and the result pretty much shows you have to keep what you have and motivate and coach them to their potential.
If you do that – you better damn well have some people to back them up.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
fire reggie now!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Larry Grant on chronicle live tonite with papa. Im telling you guys the kid is a sleeper because he plays behind patrick willis but he can play and hes a free agent after the season im hoping we get him. Larry Grant 2013zs
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hell yeah, you put him next to Te’o, draft that NT Kwame Geathers from Georgia and get Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Conner Barwin in free agency, and you got a defense…
December 7th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
“We want to win. That’s what it’s all about,” Allen said Friday, the day after a 26-13 loss to the Denver Broncos. “But I’ve got a big-picture view of what I want this team to look like. Reggie and I have talked about it. We knew what we were dealing with when we came here.
“We knew we had some depth issues on the roster and couldn’t sustain a lot of injuries.
We’ve sustained a few injuries in some spots … we all want to win, but I’m looking at the long-term future of this team.”
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Another sign of a guy who has no business being a HC. DA spewing excuse – blaming the depth, injuries – and the ’situation’ – you mean the 8-8 team with a top 10 offense you inherited you dickwad??? I want this joker gone yesterday.
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THe guy has no innovations, no ability to lead or motivate. And any win in these last 3 would be fool’s gold.
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That was a weak 8-8 team, with few quality wins. They barely hung on to beat the Texans, did wacky plays to beat the Colt McCoy quarterbacked Browns…. the problem is TALENT. Aside from a few sacks, no one released is ripping it up. Did Routt? Yeah Satele is, but he was injury prone here. Amazing how good he is, with some talent around him.
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You CANNOT deny the fact that if JC and DMAC did not go down the Raiders would have made a playoff run and Hue would still be the coach today. With a better D and less penalties.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
The nonsense is believing the JC was the difference in winning and losing last year. The DEFENSE melted down. The offense got better under Palmer and Bush.
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JC was having a great year before he went down.
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Please define great. With facts, not opinions. W-L is only as good as the defense, so it’s an invalid argument.
Fact is JC was throwing less than 200 yards per game and with only one TD each. Dynamic QB there! DMac was running well in a PBS and chewing up clock, while the defense was looking much stronger than expected early in the season.
The defense gave up 24 or less in 4 of JCs 6 starts. They won those games. Campbell was “great” in those wins throwing for 105, 156, 190 and then 52 (before getting hurt) yards.
In 2 of those starts the defense gave up over 30. Campbell had his two best (and his only 300+ yard)passing games in those. They lost.
Now how does it make sense that when Campbell played his best they lost, but when he was a non-factor they won? Oh I know, he played “great”!
December 7th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
GRUDEN UPDATE:
I was driving home tonight and popped on 670 The Score and once again Hub Arkush was on and wouldn’t you know they were talking Gruden again.
Hub was defending his decision to run the story claiming he didn’t know DA’s dad had passed and said he would of run it anyway cuz it’s his job and it’s news.
Hub was filling tonight for someone so he took over after the transition talk at 6pm (cst) for his 4 hr. show. Of course it was mostly Bears talk but someone called in and asked about Gruden. The caller asked about the controversy of the Zak Gilbert memo and Hub addressed it by saying he and Zak (Raider PR guy) exchanged many e-mails since this happened and they have an understanding Hub was only doing his job.
The caller asked if Hub was still standing by his story and he said “100 %” The caller asked how much he trusts his sources on the story and Hub sounded perturbed and said “Listen, I would NEVER run a story like this unless I was absolutely certain it was true. I didn’t just double check my sources on this, I triple checked them and i don’t now how else to say this but I know for a FACT Mark Davis met with Jon Gruden and they discussed Gruden not only coming back to join the Raiders but to take a very prominent role within the organization. What they talked about was Jon Gruden taking over management control of the player personnel and I from what I hear that would also include taking over as head coach.
As far as Reggie McKenzie is concerned, from what I hear he would still remain part of the organization but what role he would assume i’m not entirely sure.”
The caller asked again if Hub tursted the information he had and his sources and Hub laughed and said “absolutely….100%”.
That’s as word for word that i can recall. If not it’s very close.
Just thought i’d pass it along.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
The nonsense is believing the JC was the difference in winning and losing last year. The DEFENSE melted down. The offense got better under Palmer and Bush.
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JC was having a great year before he went down.
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Please define great. With facts, not opinions. W-L is only as good as the defense, so it’s an invalid argument.
Fact is JC was throwing less than 200 yards per game and with only one TD each. Dynamic QB there! DMac was running well in a PBS and chewing up clock, while the defense was looking much stronger than expected early in the season.
The defense gave up 24 or less in 4 of JCs 6 starts. They won those games. Campbell was “great” in those wins throwing for 105, 156, 190 and then 52 (before getting hurt) yards.
In 2 of those starts the defense gave up over 30. Campbell had his two best (and his only 300+ yard)passing games in those. They lost.
Now how does it make sense that when Campbell played his best they lost, but when he was a non-factor they won? Oh I know, he played “great”!
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JC was winning. Palmer puts up “stats” and they are 3-10. Nuff said
December 7th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RaidO Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
“We want to win. That’s what it’s all about,” Allen said Friday, the day after a 26-13 loss to the Denver Broncos. “But I’ve got a big-picture view of what I want this team to look like. Reggie and I have talked about it. We knew what we were dealing with when we came here.
“We knew we had some depth issues on the roster and couldn’t sustain a lot of injuries.
We’ve sustained a few injuries in some spots … we all want to win, but I’m looking at the long-term future of this team.”
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Another sign of a guy who has no business being a HC. DA spewing excuse – blaming the depth, injuries – and the ’situation’ – you mean the 8-8 team with a top 10 offense you inherited you dickwad??? I want this joker gone yesterday.
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THe guy has no innovations, no ability to lead or motivate. And any win in these last 3 would be fool’s gold.
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That was a weak 8-8 team, with few quality wins. They barely hung on to beat the Texans, did wacky plays to beat the Colt McCoy quarterbacked Browns…. the problem is TALENT. Aside from a few sacks, no one released is ripping it up. Did Routt? Yeah Satele is, but he was injury prone here. Amazing how good he is, with some talent around him.
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You CANNOT deny the fact that if JC and DMAC did not go down the Raiders would have made a playoff run and Hue would still be the coach today. With a better D and less penalties.
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Too many things had to go right for JC to win…he is a game manager and DMC would have to put up 1 buck forty or more on every win. Maybe if he had a no. 1 receiver, no. 1 pass rusher, granite offensive line, and he mixed in more explosive runs, he wouldve reached is potential. Given the quality of our team, he’d have needed to put the team on his back to win – and he isnt that type of QB.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
That was a weak 8-8 team, with few quality wins. They barely hung on to beat the Texans, did wacky plays to beat the Colt McCoy quarterbacked Browns…. the problem is TALENT. Aside from a few sacks, no one released is ripping it up. Did Routt? Yeah Satele is, but he was injury prone here. Amazing how good he is, with some talent around him.
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And let me guess this is a strong 3-10 team…”Barely” beating a Houston team on the road that was division champs? I’d say that’s an impressive win no? We have to win that game by 30 to make it more meaningful? “Wacky” plays, we ran a fake FG that scored a TD, I’d say that’s GREAT COACHING! We pounded that team and Hue made a rookie mistake of going for it on 4th & 1 inside the 10 as opposed to going up 3 scores. But it was the defense that let them back in it in the 4th quarter.
8-8 is a building block, it provides faith in the HC, gets players to focus and improve.
You’re crazy if you think this team is better off right now with DA than they were with Hue at this point last year.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
RaidO Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RaidO Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
I have to say “nonsense”. If JC and DMAC do not got down last year the Raiders would have made a playoff run meaning this years team would have be known as a VERY potential playoff team or Super Bowl favorite. Remember “Fix the D and cut down on penalties?
You can almost say they(Reggie,DA, Knapp, Tarver) took a playoff team and ran it into the ground.
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The nonsense is believing the JC was the difference in winning and losing last year. The DEFENSE melted down. The offense got better under Palmer and Bush.
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JC was having a great year before he went down.
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“great”…. yeah, ok.
Nothing about JC would have made it so Rolando could tackle Stafford, or Jacoby wouldnt let balls go off his hands against Denver, or DHB wouldnt fumble against the Lions.
I mean seriously, if DHB doesnt fumble against the Lions on the 10 yard line, we blow them out. Stop talking about JC. He may have not been the problem but he was far from the answer.
DHB’s drop in the end zone against SD during the final game? You think JC throwing him the ball would have made a difference? Yeah right.
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LOL and you were just talking about “Stability”? How about “Stability” with your QB. It does make a difference
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then explain 2010?
JC was there the whole year. Team still choked down the stretch.
Cant blame Chucky B. He wasnt there. But you know who was? The same cast of bums that we currently have.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Thanks DJ…Like I said I think he’s overrated, but he is miles ahead of Tits.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
RaidO Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
The nonsense is believing the JC was the difference in winning and losing last year. The DEFENSE melted down. The offense got better under Palmer and Bush.
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JC was having a great year before he went down.
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Please define great. With facts, not opinions. W-L is only as good as the defense, so it’s an invalid argument.
Fact is JC was throwing less than 200 yards per game and with only one TD each. Dynamic QB there! DMac was running well in a PBS and chewing up clock, while the defense was looking much stronger than expected early in the season.
The defense gave up 24 or less in 4 of JCs 6 starts. They won those games. Campbell was “great” in those wins throwing for 105, 156, 190 and then 52 (before getting hurt) yards.
In 2 of those starts the defense gave up over 30. Campbell had his two best (and his only 300+ yard)passing games in those. They lost.
Now how does it make sense that when Campbell played his best they lost, but when he was a non-factor they won? Oh I know, he played “great”!
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JC was winning. Palmer puts up “stats” and they are 3-10. Nuff said
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yeah, he ripped it up against the Niners alright. He was scared to run when plays broke down with Dashon Goldson and Donte Whitner lurking..and with good reason. Again, too many coaching changes, coordinator changes…he’s done. I think Vince Young might have been a damn sight better in that game for the Bears.
The hit Campbell like a pinata. I gained a much deeper appreciation for Cutler and how many times he got hit, and still fired lasers that NFC championship year. Campbell had ONE great, gutsy game against the Texans after Al Davis died. He, like Palmer, was just good enough to lose close games, not win them.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Yea raider sam thatd be awsome, I like cromartie as well.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
34 – 9
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Yup Hub Arkush has been sticking with his Gruden story.
He has been a sports writer since like 1981. He is probably telling the truth.
Just means they(Gruden and Mark) are talking.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
GRUDEN UPDATE:
I was driving home tonight and popped on 670 The Score and once again Hub Arkush was on and wouldn’t you know they were talking Gruden again.
Hub was defending his decision to run the story claiming he didn’t know DA’s dad had passed and said he would of run it anyway cuz it’s his job and it’s news.
Hub was filling tonight for someone so he took over after the transition talk at 6pm (cst) for his 4 hr. show. Of course it was mostly Bears talk but someone called in and asked about Gruden. The caller asked about the controversy of the Zak Gilbert memo and Hub addressed it by saying he and Zak (Raider PR guy) exchanged many e-mails since this happened and they have an understanding Hub was only doing his job.
The caller asked if Hub was still standing by his story and he said “100 %” The caller asked how much he trusts his sources on the story and Hub sounded perturbed and said “Listen, I would NEVER run a story like this unless I was absolutely certain it was true. I didn’t just double check my sources on this, I triple checked them and i don’t now how else to say this but I know for a FACT Mark Davis met with Jon Gruden and they discussed Gruden not only coming back to join the Raiders but to take a very prominent role within the organization. What they talked about was Jon Gruden taking over management control of the player personnel and I from what I hear that would also include taking over as head coach.
As far as Reggie McKenzie is concerned, from what I hear he would still remain part of the organization but what role he would assume i’m not entirely sure.”
The caller asked again if Hub tursted the information he had and his sources and Hub laughed and said “absolutely….100%”.
That’s as word for word that i can recall. If not it’s very close.
Just thought i’d pass it along.
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I would add that Hub expressed his condolences immediately after Allen was brought up. The question is why didnt Mark Davis come out and say “This is our guy”? Davis didnt deny it, didnt address it, and simply said he’s under contract..and smiled as he said it.
He’s a dead man walking..basically, the rumor came out immediately after he left the team, Gruden visited the Coliseum, then the commissioner stating this area needs to get a stadium for the Raiders, and Gruden is the guy who can get the momentum back to do it. A national figure…I cannot imagine Allen is in a worse position. McKenzie will be lucky to even be a figure head if the regime change is coming. PFT also said “major changes” are coming .
December 7th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Good news #569
Seen enough of Reggie, Dennis et al.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Yea raider sam thatd be awsome, I like cromartie as well.
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Well, it would be a start. Cork was saying, like 20 other people are going to turnover on the roster including, Lechler, Seymour, Kelly, McClain (obviously), Carlisle, Huff, Mitchell, Khalif Barnes, Giordano and Tyvon Branch was in no hurry to sign his tender, either – and Reggie extended his deal. Maybe Gaither, Joselio Hanson, Desmond Bryant come back. Phillip Adams is a restricted free agent.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
GRUDEN UPDATE:
I was driving home tonight and popped on 670 The Score and once again Hub Arkush was on and wouldn’t you know they were talking Gruden again.
Hub was defending his decision to run the story claiming he didn’t know DA’s dad had passed and said he would of run it anyway cuz it’s his job and it’s news.
Hub was filling tonight for someone so he took over after the transition talk at 6pm (cst) for his 4 hr. show. Of course it was mostly Bears talk but someone called in and asked about Gruden. The caller asked about the controversy of the Zak Gilbert memo and Hub addressed it by saying he and Zak (Raider PR guy) exchanged many e-mails since this happened and they have an understanding Hub was only doing his job.
The caller asked if Hub was still standing by his story and he said “100 %” The caller asked how much he trusts his sources on the story and Hub sounded perturbed and said “Listen, I would NEVER run a story like this unless I was absolutely certain it was true. I didn’t just double check my sources on this, I triple checked them and i don’t now how else to say this but I know for a FACT Mark Davis met with Jon Gruden and they discussed Gruden not only coming back to join the Raiders but to take a very prominent role within the organization. What they talked about was Jon Gruden taking over management control of the player personnel and I from what I hear that would also include taking over as head coach.
As far as Reggie McKenzie is concerned, from what I hear he would still remain part of the organization but what role he would assume i’m not entirely sure.”
The caller asked again if Hub tursted the information he had and his sources and Hub laughed and said “absolutely….100%”.
That’s as word for word that i can recall. If not it’s very close.
Just thought i’d pass it along.
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I would add that Hub expressed his condolences immediately after Allen was brought up. The question is why didnt Mark Davis come out and say “This is our guy”? Davis didnt deny it, didnt address it, and simply said he’s under contract..and smiled as he said it.
He’s a dead man walking..basically, the rumor came out immediately after he left the team, Gruden visited the Coliseum, then the commissioner stating this area needs to get a stadium for the Raiders, and Gruden is the guy who can get the momentum back to do it. A national figure…I cannot imagine Allen is in a worse position. McKenzie will be lucky to even be a figure head if the regime change is coming. PFT also said “major changes” are coming .
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Wow Sam. That is a hell of a post. Well said.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
The momentum this Gruden story is gaining just has me in a frenzy. It’s all I want for Xmas is to hear that we’ve signed Chucky.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Haha DA is a zombie, sign him up with Amc because he is the “WALKING DEAD”. LOL
December 7th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Yea raider sam thatd be awsome, I like cromartie as well.
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Well, it would be a start. Cork was saying, like 20 other people are going to turnover on the roster including, Lechler, Seymour, Kelly, McClain (obviously), Carlisle, Huff, Mitchell, Khalif Barnes, Giordano and Tyvon Branch was in no hurry to sign his tender, either – and Reggie extended his deal. Maybe Gaither, Joselio Hanson, Desmond Bryant come back. Phillip Adams is a restricted free agent.
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They better add Briesel to that list.
Im tired of hating my O-Line.
It took us forever to get rid of Mari-uh oh Henderson. Now weve been stuck with Queef Barnes for too long. If I gotta look at Briesel for one more season Im going to strangle Reggie myself.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Raider Sam,
Are u in Chicago and heard this too?
December 7th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Just imagine opening night next year with Chucky on the sideline.
We’ll probably get another home game on Monday Nite.
The place will be packed.
You wont be able to hear anything over the constant chants of “CHUCKY….CHUUUUCKY……CHUUUUUUUUUUUKY”
It will be utter pandemonium.
Then DHB will drop 4 passes and Moore will get Palmer picked off twice and we’ll lose in heartbreaking fashion. But at the very least, the pregame will be a blast.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Id actually keep tk, seymour, and mcclain can go.
December 7th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Hey Johnny, what are you voting on Prop Gruden?
December 7th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
It’s time to roll out the BLACK CARPET and do whatever it takes to get Chucky back.
The new stadium will be known as the house that Chucky built.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Wonder how Gruden/ESPN handle the rumors during the Texans at Patriots Monday Night game…
December 7th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Jack,
What is your vote? Yes or No?
December 7th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Hey Johnny, what are you voting on Prop Gruden?
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A resounding YES!
I do kind of feel bad for DA though if this happens and there’s a part of me that hopes we wouldn’t be losing a potentially good coach for the future.
I’ve always agreed that DA does not have the horses to make an impact this year…although I think his decision to scrap the offensive base scheme and hire Knapp was a bad decision, there s part of me that would feel bad for him.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Raider Sam,
Are u in Chicago and heard this too?
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Im not in Chicago, but PFT audibles said it during the same week.
exact quote; ” “Mark my words — there are going to be some changes in Oakland. I think the son (Mark Davis) will keep digging into (his dad Al’s) past until he finds something that works.””
Maybe they were alluding to the same thing – but lets not get ahead of ourselves. Lets also say; Gruden hasnt gone on record denying it, or saying he isnt a candidate. He’s just waiting. Allen needs to win…to me, him getting blown out by the team he used to coach for at home (the Saints), then the Bengal game, might have been the last straw.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/02/mark-davis-to-dennis-allen-its-not-good-enough/
Brian Billick was saying it was a bad move to come down and talk to the press…they shouldve talked privately, then moved on and said no comment, or just state for the record “thats my guy”. A owner reinforces and supports his head coach. Hub is going with and sticking by his sources.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
36 – 9
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
RaiderSam votes yes on Prop Gruden.
all others speak or ABSTAIN. LOL
December 7th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Hey Johnny, what are you voting on Prop Gruden?
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A resounding YES!
I do kind of feel bad for DA though if this happens and there’s a part of me that hopes we wouldn’t be losing a potentially good coach for the future.
I’ve always agreed that DA does not have the horses to make an impact this year…although I think his decision to scrap the offensive base scheme and hire Knapp was a bad decision, there s part of me that would feel bad for him.
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I agree with that entirely.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Mark Davis has to realize DA is bad for business. If DA returns next season every single home game will be blacked out. That’s a 100% guarantee. Davis is already spending his own money buying tickets this season (probably out of guilt for his poor GM selection). The team blows, the coaches are hated by the fan base. Opponents pity the once proud franchise.
DA is costing Davis Millions of dollars while simultaneously disgracing the brand.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
IS THIS REALLY ABOUT GRUDEN OR ANYBODY BESIDES D.A. ?
December 7th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
First time here since last nights debacle. I don’t know what was worse, listening to the bronco love fest by mayock or watching the guys in raider gear tank at home once again.
One question (I’m sure it’s been asked a hundred times already) why didn’t Pryor see the field???
This is spot on:
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
And kudos to the following comment last thread…
John David Booty Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Pryor would have seen at least a snap or two by now with any other team. The truth is, these guys wouldnt know what to do with Pryor anyways. Better off waiting for next year, when we have a different coaching staff.
They cant call plays that McFadden could get loose with, they barely have had Reece involved all season, Ausberry gets no burn all while double TE sets are working all over the league, as well as giving your line some extra help, they havent even tried to call a single screen or reverse for Taiwan Jones since preseason, and hes one of the fastest players in the league, they call way too many passes, wearing out Palmers arm, as well as rendering play action useless when we do run it, have never tried DHB in the slot, even though everyone knows he cant catch and the best bet is to let him get the short passes and rack up the YAC yards, which he is a beast at. Im just going off the top of my head. My point is, the staff doesnt even know what to do with the effective offensive players that they already do let play.
What makes you think theyre gonna know what to do with Pryor? These guys have no imagination.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
IS THIS REALLY ABOUT GRUDEN OR ANYBODY BESIDES D.A. ?
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Just Gruden.
The very fact that that needs to be explained is pretty sad.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Raider Riff
I’m going to say no on Prop Gruden.
Would it be an exciting hire — yes.
But Gruden’s Tampa team losing to an inferior JaMarcus Russell-led Raiders team to end his Bucs coaching career still bothers me, don’t know why.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Funny, I went to RaiderFans dot net to check out what they thought of Gruden returning….
They arent even aware of the rumors.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
NO on Prop Gruden
December 7th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
36 – 10
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
36 – 11
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Al davis routinely hired no-named coaches he could push around. The results a high turnover rate. Davis never hired high profile guys witrh proven track records because he saw them as a treat to his ability to control the product on the field. Gruden became a problem for Mr. Davis when he became the face of the franchise who often did things his own way.
Reggie Mc went out and hired the same type of flunky coach, probably because Hue Jackson also had a strong leader like personality.
Starting over can and does work when you select the right guy. Not a single AD flunky has ever gone on the do well anywhere else. People do not follow or respect flunkies. Firing Allen is imperative.
Besides; Reggie Mc looks like Howdy Doody, he surely can’t be the face of the franchise
December 7th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
GRUDEN UPDATE:
I was driving home tonight and popped on 670 The Score and once again Hub Arkush was on and wouldn’t you know they were talking Gruden again.
Hub was defending his decision to run the story claiming he didn’t know DA’s dad had passed and said he would of run it anyway cuz it’s his job and it’s news.
Hub was filling tonight for someone so he took over after the transition talk at 6pm (cst) for his 4 hr. show. Of course it was mostly Bears talk but someone called in and asked about Gruden. The caller asked about the controversy of the Zak Gilbert memo and Hub addressed it by saying he and Zak (Raider PR guy) exchanged many e-mails since this happened and they have an understanding Hub was only doing his job.
The caller asked if Hub was still standing by his story and he said “100 %” The caller asked how much he trusts his sources on the story and Hub sounded perturbed and said “Listen, I would NEVER run a story like this unless I was absolutely certain it was true. I didn’t just double check my sources on this, I triple checked them and i don’t now how else to say this but I know for a FACT Mark Davis met with Jon Gruden and they discussed Gruden not only coming back to join the Raiders but to take a very prominent role within the organization. What they talked about was Jon Gruden taking over management control of the player personnel and I from what I hear that would also include taking over as head coach.
As far as Reggie McKenzie is concerned, from what I hear he would still remain part of the organization but what role he would assume i’m not entirely sure.”
The caller asked again if Hub tursted the information he had and his sources and Hub laughed and said “absolutely….100%”.
That’s as word for word that i can recall. If not it’s very close.
Just thought i’d pass it along.
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BOOM part 4. So to recap
Tues day morning – HUB ARKUSH releases news that Raiders/ GRUDEN have met. HUB has 31 yrs in the business
Later that afternoon GREG PAPA on tuesday was on the radio (95.7 the game ) ..said JON said numerous of times in 2009 that night at rickeys that he wanted to come back to the raiders as unfinished business. Greg was shocked to hear papa said that.
Al even told papa that Jon had called him and about coming back the year b4 Al went in a different direction and hired a young offesive guru (HUE JACKSON)
3. On WED 95.7 Ric bucher couldnt believe the story ..so he check his sources from working nationaly and ESPN for many of years.. and his ESPN source confirmed that GRUDEN/ RAIDERS have talked. That day RAIDER PR GUY sent an email denying it. That night RIC BUCHER wanted to make sure it was right.. check his sources at espn again. They told him WITHOUT A DOUBT that JON GRUDEN/ RAIDERS HAD MET.
4. TODAY on 95.7 the game weekly interviw they asked RICH GANNON his thoughts. RICH said this year GRUDEN IS COMING BACK TO COACH SOMEWHERE. HE HAS THAT ITCH.
RICH GANNON said after hue jackson was fired.. him and jon were talking and Gruden told Rich how intrigued he was about coming back to coach the RAIDERS. RICH said Gruden is ready to assemble an awesome staff and GET AFTER IT AGAIN.
so this is more then just a small rumor. Where there is smoke there is fire.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
VOTE YES ON PROP GRUDEN
YOUR NATION NEEDS YOU!
December 7th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
marquez looks bigger than pac…
December 7th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Why would any Raider fan say no about Gruden? Seriously? Especially with this DA joker currently coaching.
Also it’s a smart business move.
YES to Gruden coming back
December 7th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Would I have loved to see what Hubris could have done with a defensive coordinator of his choosing?
Of course.
Hubris called plays like he was playing Madden and it was fun to watch. Sure, at times there were the WTF moments, but, for the most part it was very entertaining.
What the Raiders have become is anything but entertaining — unless you are a fan of Oakland’s opponents this season.
Still, Hubris has moved on, the new Raiders regime has too, and despite how hard its been this year, I continue to limp along with the team.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
IS THIS REALLY ABOUT GRUDEN OR ANYBODY BESIDES D.A. ?
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Just Gruden.
The very fact that that needs to be explained is pretty sad.
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Co-signed. If it isn’t Gruden then lets give DA another year to see what he’s got. The goal wouldn’t be to lose more, just to see if he’s got something.
Gruden is just too juicy to pass up. Arkush said Gruden, Cowher and Holmgren are the top sought after coaches in the league. How do u pass on that? I don’t think u can.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Quick question, was Reggie McKenzie with the Packers organization when Holmgren was there? Anyone know?
December 7th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I will give Gruden this — he won a ton of games and went deep into the playoffs with Chuck Breshnehan as his D-coordinator.
Raiders D had some studs on the roster, of course, but still, to get far with Chuck B. is outstanding.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
614,
Yes. Reggie was there during the Holmgren glory years.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Just adding to what DJ JOHNNY just wrote
BOOM part 4 ! . So to recap
1. Tues day morning – HUB ARKUSH releases news that Raiders/ GRUDEN have met. HUB has 31 yrs in the business
2. Later that afternoon GREG PAPA on tuesday was on the radio (95.7 the game ) ..said JON said numerous of times in 2009 that night at rickeys that he wanted to come back to the raiders as unfinished business. Greg was shocked to hear papa said that.
Al even told papa that Jon had called him and about coming back the year b4 Al went in a different direction and hired a young offesive guru (HUE JACKSON)
3. On WED 95.7 Ric bucher couldnt believe the story ..so he check his sources from working nationaly and ESPN for many of years.. and his ESPN source confirmed that GRUDEN/ RAIDERS have talked. That day RAIDER PR GUY sent an email denying it. That night RIC BUCHER wanted to make sure it was right.. check his sources at espn again. They told him WITHOUT A DOUBT that JON GRUDEN/ RAIDERS HAD MET.
4. TODAY on 95.7 the game weekly interviw they asked RICH GANNON his thoughts. RICH said this year GRUDEN IS COMING BACK TO COACH SOMEWHERE. HE HAS THAT ITCH.
RICH GANNON said after hue jackson was fired.. him and jon were talking and Gruden told Rich how intrigued he was about coming back to coach the RAIDERS. RICH said Gruden is ready to assemble an awesome staff and GET AFTER IT AGAIN.
so this is more then just a small rumor. Where there is smoke there is fire.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
615,
I remember good ole Elijah Alexander playing his butt off on Bresnahans D.
Ha. What if Gruden brought back Bresnahan?
December 7th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
DJ Johnny,
Thanks. Saw you mentioned Holmgren in your previous post and immediately the McKenzie/Holmgren connection popped up.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
603.Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Funny, I went to RaiderFans dot net to check out what they thought of Gruden returning….
They arent even aware of the rumors.
@@@@@@@@
I don’t go anywhere for raiders news other than here. If there is news, it’s here withing minutes! You boys rock!!
December 7th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
DJ Johnny
Gruden and Chuck B would need more impact players than the current lot of defenders the Raiders have now, that’s for sure.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
I’d take bresnahan.. not even him was giving up the numbers DA is giving up.
But seriously JON will be bringing in someone current. He has developed alot of relationship.
His roledex is basically who’s who of coaches and business ppl. Who wouldnt want to coach with chucky?
btw I heard when he comes back to coaching he would like to coach what his brother JAY
December 7th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Riff
Great polling my friend.
CHUCKY CHUCKY CHUCKY CHUCKY CHUCKY
Merry X-mas Raider Fans
December 7th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
….one thing Hub said about the Raider pr guy was “of course he’s gonna deny the story; he’s just protecting his guy..i understand that. He and I have exchnaged many e-mails since this all went down”.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Gruden would be a great business decision but the backfire factor is beyond the red.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
that is true.. ONCE u go chucky there is NO TURNING BACK.
But the reward out weights the risk. FANS, SELLOUTS, MONEY GENERATED, RAIDERS are put back on the map with the national media.
MARK wants that
December 7th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
The Raiders’ hostile response to the rumors indicate, at the very least, that if there were talks with Gruden, they’ve likely fallen apart.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
I think that’s the most interesting part of the Gruden rumor is Jon bringing in his brother Jay to run the O.
Didn’t jay sign a lengthy contract extension with the Bengals after the work he did his first year in Cincy? And, I was understanding coordinators cannot go to the same coordinator position with another team. Said coordinator would have to get a ‘promotion’ of some sort to head coach or a higher position.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
37 – 11
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
The Raiders’ hostile response to the rumors indicate, at the very least, that if there were talks with Gruden, they’ve likely fallen apart.
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No. All the response means is that the talks did indeed happen.
Nobody denies the absurd. People, especially corporations, deny the truth.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
actually they likely gotten super underground. Fans were shouting at mark yesterday BRING BACK CHUCKY at the game.
He knows alot of fans want that. Bill Romo said Mark was super embarassed at last nights game , not only they lost but didint look that good in front of all of the HALL OF FAMERS.
Howie long gave off the impression that the Raiders are just a mess but he has no choice but to believe in reggie /DA
December 7th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Just trying to weigh out Gruden coming into Oakland at age 33 or whatever, in 1998, the talent he had then, vs. coming here today under the circumstances. Almost two different worlds. Gruden is by far and large the same person but the league is not the same league and the players are not the same players. Case and point…Gruden’s stint in Tampa. He kept them competitive but never got them back to the top tier.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Sullivan44
And Jerry McDonald and Steve Corkran as well as the SF Chron’s Vic Tarfur mentioned the icy cold-stare response Mark Davis had towards fans who were chanting Bring Back Chucky at the Coliseum on Thursday night.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
I meant the talks with gruden/ mark are still there they likely gone underground even more
December 7th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
that is true.. ONCE u go chucky there is NO TURNING BACK.
But the reward out weights the risk. FANS, SELLOUTS, MONEY GENERATED, RAIDERS are put back on the map with the national media.
MARK wants that
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with Gruden comes instant credibility, excitement, and respect.
Seriously, with Gruden here do you really think the fans will give up on him after 2 preseason games like they did the current staff?
No way. The players will be held accountable for the first time in over 10 years.
Then again, I do remember Gruden and Gannon getting boo’d quite often at the Coliseum. SMH.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
First of all, there IS NO Rich Gannon out there. None.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
With all due respect, the poll is flawed, because I don’t think Gruden comes here unless he has control of personnel.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Sullivan44
And Jerry McDonald and Steve Corkran as well as the SF Chron’s Vic Tarfur mentioned the icy cold-stare response Mark Davis had towards fans who were chanting Bring Back Chucky at the Coliseum on Thursday night.
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Interesting observation.
What did that stare mean in your opinion?
December 7th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
First of all, there IS NO Rich Gannon out there. None.
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We could always trade Palmer for Gradkowski
December 7th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Rich Eisen said Gruden said he wants to build a team with a young qb now. Rich said the Raiders dont fit that.. cuz of palmer till papa mentioned they have terrelle pryor.
Papa said Jon told him numerous of times how he loved pryors skillsets he just needs a coach that believes in him and fits an offense to his skill set like washington did with RG3. Just telling u what they talked about.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
I’ve always wanted to see Rich Gannon as QB coach for the Raiders.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
With all due respect, the poll is flawed, because I don’t think Gruden comes here unless he has control of personnel.
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Valid point. But I dont care what you think of the polls flaws. I just want you to cast a vote. Yes or No.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Raider Riff
I’m trying to find the tweet about the Davis-fans interaction Thursday night. Will post when I find it.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
In that case, put me in for yes. I’d want Gruden as head coach under McKenzie, even if there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell of it happening. I’m all for fantasy scenarios.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Jon Gruden said Friday that Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor has “dominated college football” and could make it in the NFL.
“I have met Terrelle Pryor, had a chance to watch him,” Gruden told the media after speaking at the 80th annual Ohio State Football Clinic. “This is a freak of nature. This guy is really something with the ball in his hands.”
Jon Gruden said Friday that Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor has “dominated college football” and could make it in the NFL.
“I have met Terrelle Pryor, had a chance to watch him,” Gruden told the media after speaking at the 80th annual Ohio State Football Clinic. “This is a freak of nature. This guy is really something with the ball in his hands.”
Gruden is a commentator on ESPN’s “Monday Night Football,” and said he is helping coach his son’s high school team right now but would like to return to coaching full time. He didn’t specify when or in what capacity.
“You miss the players. You miss victory,” Gruden said. “Those are feelings you can’t duplicate.”
This was JON GRUDEN on PRYOR in an interview last summer
December 7th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Rich Eisen said Gruden said he wants to build a team with a young qb now. Rich said the Raiders dont fit that.. cuz of palmer till papa mentioned they have terrelle pryor.
Papa said Jon told him numerous of times how he loved pryors skillsets he just needs a coach that believes in him and fits an offense to his skill set like washington did with RG3. Just telling u what they talked about.
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HC – Chucky
OC – Jay Gruden
DC – Bring back Marshall
ST – Bring back Bones
QB Coach – Gannon & Paul Hacket
QB – Pryor
December 7th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Grakdowski is no Gannon, either. Just better than Campbell.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
38 – 11
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
That interview is very telling.. Could pryor be one reason why Jon wants to come back to the raiders?
Maybe mark and jon discussing if he (Gruden) could get anything out of his dads last draft pick and making him great.. what a thing would be for Al davis legacy!
December 7th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
I’ll tell you guys whats so funny. Some on here say that Gruden after winning Super Bowl went on a decline and tore down Tampa Bay. So he is not welcomed back here.
That is some funny ish right there. We can’t win (A) game let alone the super bowl but we don’t wanna go that route because he messed up after the SB. I’m laughing right now at that ish.
Don’t say it was Dungy’s guys because I will say the opponent was Gruden’s guys. So either way Gruden wins the SB that year.
I told you guys this a couple years ago: I personally know Reggie Barlow who was on both teams. He played for us in Gruden’s last year here and Gruden brought him to Tampa with him after Al Davis cut him. Barlow was #85 a KR and WR. Barlow told me for the first time in his career that Super Bowl was the only game a team he was on felt like the other team was way better than his team. He said they only won the game because Gruden knew the plays and Callahan didn’t change the terminology.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
lol. Gannon and Hackett? Again, fantasy. Gannon’s not going to take a job where he’s platooning with someone else.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Grakdowski is no Gannon, either. Just better than Campbell.
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It was a attempt at humor on my part.
But that isnt to say that I wasnt a HUGE Grads fan. God I loved rooting for him. He wasnt Gannon but damn did he remind me of him.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
You guys really ought to reign yourselves in with the Gruden thing. Don’t set yourself up for disappointment.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
lol. Gannon and Hackett? Again, fantasy. Gannon’s not going to take a job where he’s platooning with someone else.
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Gannon credits Hacket with his career.
Its not just platooning with “someone else”. It’s platooning with the guy that Gannon respects more than anyone except maybe Jon Gruden.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Did pryor reach out to Rich gannon b4 the season? either way im sure rich and jon are talking about pryor .
Im just saying if Jon comes to the RAiders it will be shocking.. but not that shocking after all these “rumors”
December 7th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
So far:
Talks.
Raiders’ stern denial.
I’m putting it at about a 20% chance at this point.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
RIFF,THATS THE THING THIS IS A “RIGHT NOW” FAN BASE ANY MORE.GRUDEN WOULD PUMP SOME BADLY NEEDED ENERGY INTO THIS THING.BUT A BAD FREE AGENT CALL OR TWO AND A BAD DRAFT AND A 4 WIN SEASON AND PEOPLE WILL BE CALLING 4 HIS HEAD ON A STICK.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
JON GRUDEN could also make ppl forget about HUE JACKSON.. im telling u Mark heres hue jackson everywhere he goes according to ROMO lol
December 7th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
You guys really ought to reign yourselves in with the Gruden thing. Don’t set yourself up for disappointment.
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Probably right. But its the only thing keeping us going at this point. The Raider Nation is on life support.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Riff, Gannon is an athlete, and a former NFL MVP. He would be insulted if anyone offered him a job where someone else platoons with him and breaths down his neck. Either he’s a QB coach, exclusively, or he’s staying in the booth.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
dont care if bones fassel is the new head coach as long as DA takes a hike…
December 7th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
657….. yep. I know it all too well.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
That’s the reason I said no to Prop Gruden.
I didn’t want to be utterly devastated and disappointed.
So, with my no vote, I will be extremely elated and shocked if Gruden does come back.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Nobody would be qb coach imo. I remember hue jackson didnt have a qb coach.. so the 2nd / 3rd qb on the roster is Shiz out of luck.
JON GRUDEN would be coaching the qb. If pryor was his guy then Pryor would be instant upgrade over knapp/ da watching over him
December 7th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Riff, Gannon is an athlete, and a former NFL MVP. He would be insulted if anyone offered him a job where someone else platoons with him and breaths down his neck. Either he’s a QB coach, exclusively, or he’s staying in the booth.
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Maybe not true. Gannon said himself that he didnt have to be an official coach. He’s said himself that he just wanted to come back to the Raiders and help in some capacity. He called Davis several times about it. Davis always turned him away.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
so u guys rather be disappointed with DA?? Like i said i remember alot of 49ers fans wanted to give singletary another year.
They got harbaugh, raiders missed the boat again now look. Harbaugh did wonders for Alex smith where Singletary couldnt do chit. ya he was coaching defense but he was still HC
Im just saying u gotta risk it sometimes. Gruden is the most sought after coach anywhere.. college , pro foozeball. Raiders fan deserve the best!
Im so sick of gettin left overs for this team
December 7th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
That’s the reason I said no to Prop Gruden.
I didn’t want to be utterly devastated and disappointed.
So, with my no vote, I will be extremely elated and shocked if Gruden does come back.
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So while you penciled in a “no” on your ballot…. you were secretly wishing “yes”?
Hmmmm.. I see how it is.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
Carson says we suck and probably wont get better any time soon…
is this what a “leader” is?========================
Yeah, kind of. If you want your leader to lie to you, you must be a (insert political party of your choice)
December 7th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Raider Riff
Haha!
True, true.
I didn’t want to set myself up for disaster.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
I want McKenzie to get 3 years as GM, no matter what. If he wants Gruden, so be it. If he doesn’t, I don’t. I’m a McKenzie kool aid guzzler until the event that December 2015 rolls around and we’re not a 10 win team.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
December 2014, I meant.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
im on board with mckenzie forsure. Hub arkush said reggie is not going anywhere..
btw him and gruden use to be on the packers and have a relationship together
December 7th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
I want McKenzie to get 3 years as GM, no matter what. If he wants Gruden, so be it. If he doesn’t, I don’t. I’m a McKenzie kool aid guzzler until the event that December 2015 rolls around and we’re not a 10 win team.
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In all seriousness, Im with you there.
But I’ll throw all seriousness and rationale out the window if it means bringing Chucky back.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Forgot to mention…
The fake WR bubble screen and misdirection pass to McFadden for that TD against the Broncos was a pretty sight.
My firs thought — Where has that been all year?
Speaking of screens, I remember seeing DMC motion out wide for a little RB/WR screen for a big gain against the Cowboys in preseason.
Has that play been even called once in the regular season?
December 7th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Greg Papa’s talking about gay football players showering together on CSN.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Man, I just remember how electric the coliseum used to be with Gruden roaming the sidelines and Gannon under center.
Some of the funnest experiences of my life.
I want that again.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Zymurge Says:
Fact is JC was throwing less than 200 yards per game and with only one TD each. Dynamic QB there! DMac was running well in a PBS and chewing up clock, while the defense was looking much stronger than expected early in the season.
The defense gave up 24 or less in 4 of JCs 6 starts. They won those games. Campbell was “great” in those wins throwing for 105, 156, 190 and then 52 (before getting hurt) yards.
In 2 of those starts the defense gave up over 30. Campbell had his two best (and his only 300+ yard)passing games in those. They lost.
Now how does it make sense that when Campbell played his best they lost, but when he was a non-factor they won? Oh I know, he played “great”!
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Excellent post except for that creepy “Cue Mistic” music I hear building in the background.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
one thing has bothered me since harbaugh was hired…at the time there were several teams negotiating with him…we hadnt hired hue yet, niners had given him their offer and other teams bailed….but harbaugh didnt take it right away. was he waiting to hear from al? had they talked a bit? remember harbaugh was an assistant here…just food for thought…something is always going on in the background.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Guys were drinking the Davis koolaid after he’d tanked for far more than 3 consecutive years, so I feel it’s only right I drink Reggie’s kool aid for 3. 3 years. That’s not asking a lot. He was recommended by Ron Wolf, who helped build our last Super Bowl team and also built a SB winner in Green Bay. And, yes, I know Ron partly plotted to get his son the GB job. That doesn’t diminish Reggie. Reggie was next in line. It’s not like he sent us Pee Wee Herman. He sent us the guy who’d he’d schooled.
December 7th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Yes on Gruden.
I mean, give me one reason why you wouldn’t and Ill give 10 what we need DA out of here.
I mean Chucky gave this organization an identity, swagger, and confidence. He drafted Cwood, brought in Gannon, Garner, and Rice.
He and Reggie would be a powerful combo IMO.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Reggie + Chucky = Sellouts, Big Wins, and a 4th SuperBowl
VOTE YES ON PROP GRUDEN
(Im Raider Riff and I approve this message)
December 7th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
39 – 11
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
A couple more Miles Burrises on defense and another streater on offense and we’re in the playoff hunt right now.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Reggie + Chucky = Sellouts, Big Wins, and a 4th SuperBowl
VOTE YES ON PROP GRUDEN
(Im Raider Riff and I approve this message)
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ALL DAY!
December 7th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
If youre having trouble deciding which way to vote…watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiBkpzm-5IU&feature=g-hist
VOTE YES ON PROP GRUDEN!
December 7th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Uh, we need some O-Line man and Dlineman, were not making the playoffs with one more Streater or Burris, lol……
December 7th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Michael Huff needs to go back to safety where he can do less damage.
Phillip Adams needs to start in Huff’s place.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
btw Manti TE’0 plus Gruden = MORE PRIMETIME GAMES NEXT YEAR.. MORE SELLOUTS, MORE Media attention = Profit
Raiders have no “it guy” of the franchise right now. I would say DMAC but they really dont do that much press or he doesnt play enough.
dont even bring up carson
December 7th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
I say yes to Gruden.
And BTW, Allen will probably land on his feet pretty well. The new word down here is that Jerry Jones will make a SERIOUS run at Sean Payton after the season and Allen would be in play to be Payton’s DC in Dallas.
A little late with DA’s dad passing and all but it would be good for him to be close to his family again. Stay Tuned.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Kirk
Phillip Adams was one excited MoFo out there on Thursday night.
Good to see passion and drive from a Raider defender.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
SERIOUSLY, watch that youtube vid. If youre not cheering along after about 2 minutes, you might not be a Raider fan.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
40 – 11
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Just watched the YouTube video. It got my heart beating fast. I forgot what it was like to be a fan when your team can dominate.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
btw Manti TE’0 plus Gruden = MORE PRIMETIME GAMES NEXT YEAR.. MORE SELLOUTS, MORE Media attention = Profit
Raiders have no “it guy” of the franchise right now. I would say DMAC but they really dont do that much press or he doesnt play enough.
dont even bring up carson
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Our “it” guy is a guy named Houdini
Houdini + Gruden + Teo = Waiting list for tickets
December 7th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Love that video!
The one that I have saved on my youtube account is the Charlie Garner run against the Steelers. He went all Barry Sanders on that run.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
If youre having trouble deciding which way to vote…watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiBkpzm-5IU&feature=g-hist
VOTE YES ON PROP GRUDEN!
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F’n EPIC video.. the 31 min 42 sec mark. TYRON F”n WHEATlY Marcel reece gonna be the new wheatly
December 7th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Ok, Im getting just too jacked up watching the vid and talking about Gruden coming back.
I gotta take a break.
Im going to go do some laps around the block and settle down before my chic comes home. She might show up and start nagging and then I’ll go all Regan Upshaw on her and tackle her into the couch and get flagged for the late hit.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
With all due respect, the poll is flawed, because I don’t think Gruden comes here unless he has control of personnel.
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That’s a bit of info you guys might be missing as far as Hub’s story that i heard on the radio in regard to the “prominent role”.
Hub said that what makes him think Gruden might take the gig is because Gruden WOULD have that control over personnel. Hub also said he thinks Gruden would be the HC.
Again, Arkush says he is 100% certain this meeting about the gig took place and that he “triple checked” his sources. He said he would NEVER run with a story like that unless he was 100% CERTAIN.
He is not saying Gruden will accept the job, but if he had to make a call it would be Oakland becuz of offering him control.
The next question then becomes, would any other team offer him that?
December 7th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
God bless you, Raider Riff.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Offer Gruden whatever he wants.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
OH SHIZZ thats one thing i forgot.
They actually use to show interviews with the coach and players after the espn hilights. I cant remember the last time they have done that even when were winning last year. They always jsut go on to the next highlight.
GRUDEN made the raiders relevant again
December 7th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Someone who’s opinion he respects needs to tell Mark Davis to hire Gruden.
I’m looking at you, John Madden.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Arkush has been around as a reporter for 32 years.
And he’s pinning his entire reputation, and career credibility, on this story.
If you dont think that Chucky coming home is a real posibility, you arent really acknowledging the gravity of what this reporter is doing. He’s putting his CAREER reputation on the line for this story. There absolutely has to be some truth to it.
Throw in Ric Bucher’s validation and there is more than just smoke to this fire.
All its going to take is one vote and one vote only, Mark’s vote. I hope Amy is pushing for it as well.
VOTE YES ON PROP GRUDEN
December 7th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
If we got Gruden back here as HC, I will run 1 lap around my block butt naked. I will do it late at night of course but I will do it.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
If we got Gruden back here as HC, I will run 1 lap around my block butt naked. I will do it late at night of course but I will do it.
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I’ll have my Raiders Construction Hard Hat on and Vibram 5 fingers on my feet. That’s All. 1 block nothing else on.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
If youre having trouble deciding which way to vote…watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiBkpzm-5IU&feature=g-hist
VOTE YES ON PROP GRUDEN!
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Chris Berman calls Lechler “Johnny.., Tim Lechler” LMFAO!!
December 7th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Gruden says to REGGIE and MARK.
YOU know man “I already steped on S#IT” and
This one Smells even more”
December 7th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
There may be some audio on this i can try and get from The Score website. I’ll look for it and u guys can check it out too. It’s http://www.670thescore.com
I notice they have audio bytes and show clips etc.
What we know for sure:
-A credentialed, respected journalist/media personality magazine editor is 100% CERTAIN that Jon Gruden wants to coach in the NFL in 2013.
-This same person is 100% CERTAIN that a meeting took place between Mark Davis and Jon Gruden to discuss the possibility of Jon Gruden taking over a prominent role with the Raiders.
Speculation and non-CERTAIN aspects to this:
-Reggie McKenzies future IF this happens. Hub says he thinks Reggie would have a role.
-OTHER NFL teams will be making a play for Gruden as well.
-Hub thinks Oakland offers best situation for Gruden due to prior positive relationship with Raiders as well as rabid fan support for Gruden and most importantly CONTROL over personnel.
As it stands now from what this Hub Arkush is saying, Oakland is in the drivers seat for a Gruden return, but it is NOT a done deal that it will end up being Oakland.
To Hub…all arrows point this way…at this point in time.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
The only egg on his face that Arkush would receive is IF Gruden does not coach in the NFL next season…not necessarily the Raiders.
The strong Raider denial was basically brushed off by Arkush as the Raider pr guy “protecting his guy” and Hub says “he understands that”.
Still…that Raider denial was pretty strong in that they could have denied it and not been so vehement about it.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
…I need to add that Hub’s “opinion” that Oakland offers best situation compared to other teams that may go after him that his “opinion” is supported by his sources, who Hub claims are solid.
December 7th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
DA continues to throw his players under the bus with his “we knew what we had to work with when we got here.” Crap. If Hue could muster an 8-8 effort out of a team that lost their starting QB, RB and their GM with no offseason what does that say about DA’s ability to lead. I said it from the start DA is our Josh McDaniels. I’ve never seen a division rival pity another team like the Broncos players did the Raiders after the game. DA’s been pathetic from the start. The dumpster fire that is Raiders coaching staff is continuing to burn with every interview DA gives.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Lol nobody has posted within the last hour and theres not even a new thread guesd everyones watching that video. Lol
December 7th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Riff — I vote YES on Prop Gruden. I know the Bronco players will be heartbroken that we didn’t take their advice and keep their buddy DA.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
711,
Josh D without the 6-0 start to the season.
That was some fools gold right there.
It’s all about winning.
This zbs thing was a long term type decision. I wonder if DA had known he’d be under some heat for a horrible season if he’d done some things differently?
December 7th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Arkush has been around as a reporter for 32 years.
And he’s pinning his entire reputation, and career credibility, on this story.
If you dont think that Chucky coming home is a real posibility, you arent really acknowledging the gravity of what this reporter is doing. He’s putting his CAREER reputation on the line for this story. There absolutely has to be some truth to it.
Throw in Ric Bucher’s validation and there is more than just smoke to this fire.
All its going to take is one vote and one vote only, Mark’s vote. I hope Amy is pushing for it as well.
VOTE YES ON PROP GRUDEN
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YOU HAVE MY VOTE!
December 7th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Derek Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Al davis routinely hired no-named coaches he could push around. The results a high turnover rate. Davis never hired high profile guys witrh proven track records because he saw them as a treat to his ability to control the product on the field. Gruden became a problem for Mr. Davis when he became the face of the franchise who often did things his own way.
Reggie Mc went out and hired the same type of flunky coach, probably because Hue Jackson also had a strong leader like personality.
Starting over can and does work when you select the right guy. Not a single AD flunky has ever gone on the do well anywhere else. People do not follow or respect flunkies. Firing Allen is imperative.
Besides; Reggie Mc looks like Howdy Doody, he surely can’t be the face of the franchise
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These so-called flunkies have done extremely well. Shanahan, Gruden, Kiffin, Norv Turner. And a ton of assistants have left here to become HC’s Fassel, Steve Sarkisian, Fox, David Shaw, Jim Harbaugh and tons more that I cannot think of at the time. Madden and Flores Art Shell Gruden and Hue Jackson were far from Flunkies in fact that is a stupid statement as far as I’m concerned you obviously didn’t think it thru.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
GRUDEN UPDATE:
I was driving home tonight and popped on 670 The Score and once again Hub Arkush was on and wouldn’t you know they were talking Gruden again.
Hub was defending his decision to run the story claiming he didn’t know DA’s dad had passed and said he would of run it anyway cuz it’s his job and it’s news.
Hub was filling tonight for someone so he took over after the transition talk at 6pm (cst) for his 4 hr. show. Of course it was mostly Bears talk but someone called in and asked about Gruden. The caller asked about the controversy of the Zak Gilbert memo and Hub addressed it by saying he and Zak (Raider PR guy) exchanged many e-mails since this happened and they have an understanding Hub was only doing his job.
The caller asked if Hub was still standing by his story and he said “100 %” The caller asked how much he trusts his sources on the story and Hub sounded perturbed and said “Listen, I would NEVER run a story like this unless I was absolutely certain it was true. I didn’t just double check my sources on this, I triple checked them and i don’t now how else to say this but I know for a FACT Mark Davis met with Jon Gruden and they discussed Gruden not only coming back to join the Raiders but to take a very prominent role within the organization. What they talked about was Jon Gruden taking over management control of the player personnel and I from what I hear that would also include taking over as head coach.
As far as Reggie McKenzie is concerned, from what I hear he would still remain part of the organization but what role he would assume i’m not entirely sure.”
The caller asked again if Hub tursted the information he had and his sources and Hub laughed and said “absolutely….100%”.
That’s as word for word that i can recall. If not it’s very close.
Just thought i’d pass it along.
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DJ, thanks so much for posting this. This here is the very reason I love this blog. Good work, Johnny.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
BOOM part 4. So to recap
Tues day morning – HUB ARKUSH releases news that Raiders/ GRUDEN have met. HUB has 31 yrs in the business
Later that afternoon GREG PAPA on tuesday was on the radio (95.7 the game ) ..said JON said numerous of times in 2009 that night at rickeys that he wanted to come back to the raiders as unfinished business. Greg was shocked to hear papa said that.
Al even told papa that Jon had called him and about coming back the year b4 Al went in a different direction and hired a young offesive guru (HUE JACKSON)
3. On WED 95.7 Ric bucher couldnt believe the story ..so he check his sources from working nationaly and ESPN for many of years.. and his ESPN source confirmed that GRUDEN/ RAIDERS have talked. That day RAIDER PR GUY sent an email denying it. That night RIC BUCHER wanted to make sure it was right.. check his sources at espn again. They told him WITHOUT A DOUBT that JON GRUDEN/ RAIDERS HAD MET.
4. TODAY on 95.7 the game weekly interviw they asked RICH GANNON his thoughts. RICH said this year GRUDEN IS COMING BACK TO COACH SOMEWHERE. HE HAS THAT ITCH.
RICH GANNON said after hue jackson was fired.. him and jon were talking and Gruden told Rich how intrigued he was about coming back to coach the RAIDERS. RICH said Gruden is ready to assemble an awesome staff and GET AFTER IT AGAIN.
so this is more then just a small rumor. Where there is smoke there is fire.
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Thanks for the recap. Excellent work, fellas.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 6th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Al davis BEEP Sullivan’s mom in the BEEP and made her suck it afterwards.
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buh bye, Dork.
Just sent original to Cork.
Let me help with your new name.
Miss Nancy.
ya, that works.
See ya
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but i’m still here!
guess cork knows ur mom’s a ho too.
or maybe he knows ur the most despised poster in the history of the blog. sad that u take that as a compliment. deranged idiot.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Thanks for posting that video.
That game against the niners in OT won me a $5000 parlay! I’ll never forget that day, needed them to win by 4, Jano missing the FG, then the blocked 9ers FG, then the touchdown to TIM BROWN in OVERTIME!
December 7th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
If youre having trouble deciding which way to vote…watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiBkpzm-5IU&feature=g-hist
VOTE YES ON PROP GRUDEN!
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A tears runs down the eye.
Ah the good old days
December 7th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
DJ
Your right about fools gold and the sad thing is that with ZBS, the Texans had to bring in Alex Gibbs to teach it. Gibbs changed the way they practiced. They only had two running plays and the offense practiced the run game together. Everyone knew everyone else’s job and peer pressure was used to get maximum results. You have to totally commit to ZBS and it has to be taught correctly.! I’ve noticed that you rarely see any cut blocks with Knapp’s version. WTF??? I have a feeling that DA brouguht people in (Knapp and Pollack) who suck at teaching this system. And DA doesn’t have the experience in the system to challenge them. I miss Wylie and Wiz!
December 7th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
40 – 11
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
===========================================Keep going. Because lst off, Gruden ain’t coming back. And secondly we got 40 people that are ready willing and able to walk the plank. Keep ‘e,m coming…
December 7th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I remember him with the Forty Niners he never looked as if he was going to be anything special to me but I remember seeing him I don’t remember having any conversations with him tho. If I did I can’t remember but when He came to thr Raiders as HC I did rmemeber him working with the Niners. I told Greg Knapp the same thing this year when we talked in preseason about Terrelle Pryor. I used spend a lot of time with the Niners back then. Jerry Rice was a good friend of mine as was a lot of players on that team specially John Taylor.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
just for the record, i wanna point out that, as a huge irish fan, i was the very first to start the “draft teo” momentum.
so, since we know what a huge effect this blog has on reggie, if we get him, u all need to thank me.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I remember him with the Forty Niners he never looked as if he was going to be anything special to me but I remember seeing him I don’t remember having any conversations with him tho. If I did I can’t remember but when He came to thr Raiders as HC I did rmemeber him working with the Niners. I told Greg Knapp the same thing this year when we talked in preseason about Terrelle Pryor. I used spend a lot of time with the Niners back then. Jerry Rice was a good friend of mine as was a lot of players on that team specially John Taylor.
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and yet nothing ever sank into ur head regarding player evaluation. i guess it’s true that standing next to a great man does not mean u urself are great. it usually just mean ur a security guard or something.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
i once spilled a beer on mary lou retton. and yet i was never a great gymnast.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
TSR,
Thanks.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
i once said hi to john mellencamp at a car lot. and my singing career never took off.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
i spent a day watching rick james rehearse and i never overdosed on cocaine and died.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Let me rephrase that: we weren’t $30mm over that cap. Davis didn’t die and leave us with a mess. Everything is fine. Who wants Hue or Gruden:
Sign Up Here:
Don’t Worry. That plank at the end of the boat means nothing!!!!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Can’t believe the Warriors are 12-7 that goes to show what coaching can do for you. They actually play defense and shoot the lights out. The backcourt of Curry and Thompson is second to none their 1,2 and 3 spot is scary with DLee and the rest of the role players this team is very underrated. People just don’t get just how good they are Mark Jackson has raised the expectation and demands they play defense and voila they are 5 games over 500.
People coaching matters….
December 7th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
i spent a day watching rick james rehearse and i never overdosed on cocaine and died.
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Really? Everyone associated with James smoked cocaine and died? I was on the periphery, so I survived.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
You must be 4′2″ because your little man’s complex is always showing. Need to argue all the time lose one argument find another one……….lol
December 7th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
By the way I’ll pass on Gruden, I can’t get with the fixation eventho I will admit he may be on his way here. I’ll certainly take him over these wannabes.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Just imagine opening night next year with Chucky on the sideline.
We’ll probably get another home game on Monday Nite.
The place will be packed.
You wont be able to hear anything over the constant chants of “CHUCKY….CHUUUUCKY……CHUUUUUUUUUUUKY”
It will be utter pandemonium.
Then DHB will drop 4 passes and Moore will get Palmer picked off twice and we’ll lose in heartbreaking fashion. But at the very least, the pregame will be a blast.
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LOL. You added that dose of Raider Reality…ha.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Bunch of kiddos getting excited about possibility of grudens return like its Christmas time, remind me again , how many coaches have won superbowls with multiple teams, just shows you how tough it is to do that, you need some time to build teams, it doesn’t happen over night , like gruden would come into a different situation than he had been in his previous turns , and he would get us to same results ?? Lmao
December 7th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Let me rephrase that: we weren’t $30mm over that cap. Davis didn’t die and leave us with a mess. Everything is fine. Who wants Hue or Gruden:
Sign Up Here:
Don’t Worry. That plank at the end of the boat means nothing!!!!!!
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I’m taking it you wouldn’t be on board with a Gruden return?
December 7th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
I doubt that DHB has dropped 4 passes all year let alone one game. You guys have a serious misconception about that kid. He might be our most consistent rec’r by far.
But again in this parallel universe he drops everything they throw at him.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
I scan the comments section just for Priesttj’s posts. Thank you for your insight
December 7th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
I’m tired of prime time games to start the season, how about just a regular road game against Carolina panthers or something to get us of to the right start
December 7th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
You’re more than welcome sir….
December 7th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
42 – 11
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
RaidO Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
If youre having trouble deciding which way to vote…watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiBkpzm-5IU&feature=g-hist
VOTE YES ON PROP GRUDEN!
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A tears runs down the eye.
Ah the good old days
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Me too. I get so jacked up watching that vid.
HC – Jon
OC – Jay
DC – Marshall
ST – Bones
DL – Wauffle
LB – Romo
Secondary – Rod Woodson
Pregame Speech Rally Monkey – Phil Villapiano
VOTE YES ON PROP GRUDEN
December 7th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
I’m tired of prime time games to start the season, how about just a regular road game against Carolina panthers or something to get us of to the right start
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First thought that came to mind when u said that was a couple yr’s ago when we started at Tennessee.
Tough game for good ole JC….and our beloved defense.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
You must be 4′2″ because your little man’s complex is always showing. Need to argue all the time lose one argument find another one……….lol
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LOL. name one argument i’ve ever lost.
my problem with u is that u are just as “pro black” in a racist way as missdick.
also, u try, just like missdick, to act like ur “very well informed” regarding football and a lot of what u say is nonsense.
and, u bend everything u can, like sullivan, to fit ur agenda, instead of being objective. (example 1 being ur ridiculous notion that wiz’s weakness was “thinking too much” and not getting a quick “initial punch”, which according to experts, are his two best attributes, along with quickness.
u want to pain the staff as bad “developers of talent” and so u make sh!t up to try to do it.
so, u have become someone i like to make fun of when they do the above.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Angry Villager With Pitchfork Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
I scan the comments section just for Priesttj’s posts. Thank you for your insight
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his insight is like looking into a funhouse mirror–never straight, always bent.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
always beware when a seldom-if-ever-seen poster comes on solely to support another poster when they’re under fire.
it’s so transparent and weak.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
there is no safety in numbers. i can slay a horde of u.
December 7th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
People coaching matters….
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Oh, yes it does.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
sorry priest–i know ur little badge of honor in ur own mind is that somehow ur an “insider”. but u lose credibility when a person with real knowledge of the game, such as me, sees ur sh!t. better come correct, and straight, if u wanna stay outta my sights.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Looks like my prediction is very likely to come true of Streater supplanting both DMoore and DHB next year as solid #2 and starting opposite of #1 FA WR
December 7th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
I’ve swam across muddy rivers, and ain’t never got wet
Mountains have fell on me, and I ain’t dead yet
I rode across the oceans, on the head of my dik
I ate 9 tons of cat schit, and ain’t never got sick.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
BOOM part 4. So to recap
Tues day morning – HUB ARKUSH releases news that Raiders/ GRUDEN have met. HUB has 31 yrs in the business
Later that afternoon GREG PAPA on tuesday was on the radio (95.7 the game ) ..said JON said numerous of times in 2009 that night at rickeys that he wanted to come back to the raiders as unfinished business. Greg was shocked to hear papa said that.
Al even told papa that Jon had called him and about coming back the year b4 Al went in a different direction and hired a young offesive guru (HUE JACKSON)
3. On WED 95.7 Ric bucher couldnt believe the story ..so he check his sources from working nationaly and ESPN for many of years.. and his ESPN source confirmed that GRUDEN/ RAIDERS have talked. That day RAIDER PR GUY sent an email denying it. That night RIC BUCHER wanted to make sure it was right.. check his sources at espn again. They told him WITHOUT A DOUBT that JON GRUDEN/ RAIDERS HAD MET.
4. TODAY on 95.7 the game weekly interviw they asked RICH GANNON his thoughts. RICH said this year GRUDEN IS COMING BACK TO COACH SOMEWHERE. HE HAS THAT ITCH.
RICH GANNON said after hue jackson was fired.. him and jon were talking and Gruden told Rich how intrigued he was about coming back to coach the RAIDERS. RICH said Gruden is ready to assemble an awesome staff and GET AFTER IT AGAIN.
so this is more then just a small rumor. Where there is smoke there is fire.
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Thanks for the recap. Excellent work, fellas.
….
Let’s also recap this season… This is all speculation but it seems plausible in my opinion…
1. Mark, being new, doubted himself and his own judgment and hired a referral as GM.
2. This hire was most like made with promises of “getting over the hump” quickly, considering the previous 8-8 season and shot at the playoffs.
3. THIS IS THE BIG ONE… The new GM promises if he is allowed to fire Hue and bring in his own man that he can fix the Defense while keeping the continuity of the Offense intact. Mark, against his better judgment, complies.
4. New DEFENSIVE minded coach is brought in to “fix” the defense while leaving the core of the offense intact. New coach is unable to get a credible OC and after several failed attempts, ends up settling for Knapp.
5. THE OTHER BIG ONE… This DEFENSE 1st HC comes in and not only doesn’t improve the defense, he actually makes it worse!!! HE fails at the most important aspect of his job and the major reason for hiring him.
6. Not only does Allen fail at improving the defense, his staff has wrecked the offense as well.
7. Mark sees that all the promises made to him in the beginning have been broken, and publicly calls out his GM & HC.
8. The losing continues, and Mark FINALLY says to heck with everyone else, he will do it HIS way and reaches out to an old friend, Jon Gruden.
This could very well be the sequence of events…
December 7th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
You guys are like children. Immediate gratification with no ability to see forward.
Gruden os great for a ready made vet team. He has shown NO ability to build up a team and develop young talent. NONE.
I am sick and tired of the free agent veteran and have said as much for years.
I was AGAINST the Palmer deal because he’s an older player who is “ok” but no elite on a team not ready to win now.
But you kiddies got all fired up.
The Raiders are FINALLY doing what needs to be done. That’s clearing out the CHECK CASHERS and no producing bust youngsters and get productivity in the draft and with targeted free agents to enhance a core of young talent. Not the other way around.
As for coaches, Knapp has to go! If he is retained, he will take everyone down with him.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
I got 8-10 trolls just standing in line
And, ain’t a day pass
I don’t kick 4-5 of them
In their no good azzzzz.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
What’s good rob , you on gruden bandwagon too??
December 7th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
I’ve swam across muddy rivers, and ain’t never got wet
Mountains have fell on me, and I ain’t dead yet
I rode across the oceans, on the head of my dik
I ate 9 tons of cat schit, and ain’t never got sick.
************
quoting dolemite? any particular reason?
December 7th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Loving that highlights of 2000 video. Thanks for posting it.
Love how the Raiders-Chiefs rivalry is focused on. Meanwhile, under Kiffin he preached “it’s just another game”, and under Allen it was like meh, whatever. It took the Chiefs trying to stir the pot to try to create a rivalry atmosphere, but the Raiders players were too much under an Allen stupor, uh what, we aint dirty.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
wat up mc20—not really. mainly cuz it’s likely a pipedream. i love gruden and i would be very happy to see him come back. i grew up playing little league with him and his brother. so, i’ve always been rooting for him.
but, i don’t wanna spend too much time on it, cuz it’s just not a probable scenario.
i’m fine with DA coming back and seeing what he can do in year two. it’s hard to get excited about, but like taking medicine, it’s probably what’s best.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Thanks for posting that video.
That game against the niners in OT won me a $5000 parlay! I’ll never forget that day, needed them to win by 4, Jano missing the FG, then the blocked 9ers FG, then the touchdown to TIM BROWN in OVERTIME!
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That Niner game might be my all-time favorite game.
I literally went running out into the quad of my apartment complex yelling and screaming with a bunch of other fans coming out of their apartment doing the same.
I hated the Niners so F’n much back then. I cant ever remember wanting a game so bad.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
quoting dolemite? any particular reason?
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Yeah, I talking to you, Pootbutt.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
wat up mc20—not really. mainly cuz it’s likely a pipedream. i love gruden and i would be very happy to see him come back. i grew up playing little league with him and his brother. so, i’ve always been rooting for him.
but, i don’t wanna spend too much time on it, cuz it’s just not a probable scenario.
i’m fine with DA coming back and seeing what he can do in year two. it’s hard to get excited about, but like taking medicine, it’s probably what’s best.
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So is that a “yes” vote?
December 7th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Palmer, DMAC should be traded. The Jets, Cardinals have good teams that just need a vet QB to get productivity on the offense. Especially the Cards with Fitzgerald.
DMAC is way too injury proned.
Pryor needs snaps right now. The team needs to see him in REAL games to find out if he is worth developing.
Pryor should start the next 3 gms. To do otherwise is a total waste of time.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
754… is that a “yes” vote?
December 7th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
#716 said: These so-called flunkies have done extremely well. Shanahan, Gruden, Kiffin, Norv Turner. And a ton of assistants have left here to become HC’s Fassel, Steve Sarkisian, Fox, David Shaw, Jim Harbaugh and tons more that I cannot think of at the time. Madden and Flores Art Shell Gruden and Hue Jackson were far from Flunkies in fact that is a stupid statement as far as I’m concerned you obviously didn’t think it thru.
Response: Never said Shanahan or Gruden were flunkies. In fact as I pointed ouit relative to Gruden, that was the problem AD had with him. The same with Shanahan. Actually Davis did in fact tell Madden Flores and Shell who to play and how the team would play.
The flucky series of hires I generally referred to was the batch of losers AD hired after returning to Oakland. Kiffin was a designated flunky, however to his credit he did try being his own man and was subsequently terminated for that. Conversely he’s been a worthless coach at all stops. Norv Turner both a flunky and a loser. He had the talent to do big things inn SD and blew it. He’s been hated by the fan base from day 1.
Bugal, Shell II, White, Cable, even Hue and all the other long forgetten mistakes were AD flunkies. During the AD era he was the iron fisted dictator, and his coaches where followers. Everyone knows those are facts.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
PriestTj > Doc Rob… I still think doc robs a nice guy, just not as informative as priest… Lol
December 7th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Pryor should start the next 3 gms. To do otherwise is a total waste of time.
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Not true, Palmer has some yardage records to break.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
I dont know why Priest picks fights with Dr Roberts.
The Doc eats him alive with every post.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
754… is that a “yes” vote?
……
As I stated a few days ago on this board. If Gruden came back to the Raiders I might actually shed tears of joy.
Do I think he is the “best” NFL HC?… probably not.
Do I think he is light years ahead of most other prospects or the current staff?
YES!!!!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Im all for trading Dmac if we can replace him with mjd…
December 7th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Exactly Silver and Black, ill be all up for bringing back Gruden, if he had success building up young rebuilding teams, just don’t get the hype yet until then I’m all for giving DA a chance , damn with how the eff his record looks in his rookie year or if he came in with credentials , guys can become good in offseason , if they want to become the best, plus The main problems come from bad OC , which is easy to correct, and lack of pressure from edge , Damontre Moore an other FA pickup will fix that
December 7th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
43 – 11
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
#716: I also never mentioned assistants. Assistants are basically apprentice who work under the direction of the HC.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Exactly Silver and Black, ill be all up for bringing back Gruden, if he had success building up young rebuilding teams, just don’t get the hype yet until then I’m all for giving DA a chance , damn with how the eff his record looks in his rookie year or if he came in with credentials , guys can become good in offseason , if they want to become the best, plus The main problems come from bad OC , which is easy to correct, and lack of pressure from edge , Damontre Moore an other FA pickup will fix that
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We were 4-12 when Gruden inherited our mess.
Tell me again how he cant rebuild a team? Hell, he made Ricky Dudley a pro bowl caliber TE. RICKY FREAKING DUNCELY!!!
TB’s ownership is notoriously cheap. We shouldnt be surprised that they let that SB team fall apart.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
as for our receivers, it’s a bit of a clusterf#ck. we have a bunch of guys that have shown ability and promise but haven’t seized it.
dhb–he had his 3rd year breakout last year and even though he still wasn’t great, it looked like he might be pretty good. puzzling cuz he’s so fast but not a deep threat i guess cuz he lacks moves and corners play so deep on him. but cuz of the soft coverage, he’s open a lot and he’s very good after the catch. fast and strong. runs thru arm tackles. but they haven’t featured him this year. they have referred instead to moore as our #1. i’m not sure he can ever be really more than a good #3.
moore–obviously can make catches and has skills. hasn’t progressed as quickly as we would like, but he will be heading into hi all-important third season next year, so i have hopes. he is pretty skinny though. injuries and inability to go across the middle are a concern. he hasn’t really become a guy u can go to for a big first down yet. still more of a deep threat. best case scenario would be that he is the next cliff branch. which would mean we still need a fred belitnikoff/bob chandler across from him.
streater–obviously has had some ups and downs but the good stuff has been impressive. for a kid with his lack of experience and coaching to come in as a UDFA and contribute at all, let alone a lot, is remarkable. so his potential to develop quickly is promising. he is tall, fast, and has great hands. he seems to get open a lot. this guy could be the answer.
criner–kinda seems like another version of streater, but with more experience and polish. bigger than streater and maybe a bit slower. his potential in the redzone is exciting due to hi size and hands. these two could be the future.
ford–the forgotten man. i’ve never been sold on his ability as a starting-type receiver. a return man definitely though. but it would have been his third season this year so he’ll have his chance to emerge next year. i’m not banking on him. but his return skills are great.
i noted in camp that reggie was bringing in lots of big receivers, so that may be their preference. that would give streater and criner the edge. well, there’s dhb too. seems like either dhb or moore would be trade bait at some point. they have to decide who their guys are and go with them.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
quoting dolemite? any particular reason?
—————-
Yeah, I talking to you, Pootbutt.
***********
dude, u can’t hang with me. and everytime u say pootbutt, u sound like an 8-yr-old….girl.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
wat up mc20—not really. mainly cuz it’s likely a pipedream. i love gruden and i would be very happy to see him come back. i grew up playing little league with him and his brother. so, i’ve always been rooting for him.
but, i don’t wanna spend too much time on it, cuz it’s just not a probable scenario.
i’m fine with DA coming back and seeing what he can do in year two. it’s hard to get excited about, but like taking medicine, it’s probably what’s best.
———-
So is that a “yes” vote?
************
i’ll take him for sure. no doubt about it. but i’m not holding my breath, and i’m not completely against DA. i feel for his situation. poor players.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
If youre having trouble deciding which way to vote…watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiBkpzm-5IU&feature=g-hist
We knocked 12 QBs out of games that year.
VOTE YES ON PROP GRUDEN!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
PriestTj > Doc Rob… I still think doc robs a nice guy, just not as informative as priest… Lol
*********
u can lead a horse to water…
December 7th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
wat up mc20—not really. mainly cuz it’s likely a pipedream. i love gruden and i would be very happy to see him come back. i grew up playing little league with him and his brother. so, i’ve always been rooting for him.
but, i don’t wanna spend too much time on it, cuz it’s just not a probable scenario.
i’m fine with DA coming back and seeing what he can do in year two. it’s hard to get excited about, but like taking medicine, it’s probably what’s best.
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So is that a “yes” vote?
************
i’ll take him for sure. no doubt about it. but i’m not holding my breath, and i’m not completely against DA. i feel for his situation. poor players.
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Many of us who have voted yes, feel the exact same way.
A vote for Gruden isnt necessarily a vote against DA. We understand his situation. We know that when he has talent, he can coach a team well. His defense carried Tebow into the playoffs last year. Dumervill, Baily, and Von Miller have a lot to do with that. We dont have anyone that good.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
44 – 11
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Put me down for NO on Jon Gruden.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Im all for trading Dmac if we can replace him with mjd…
************
actually could happen. i posted that possibility a few weeks ago. jax not happy with mjd.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Jets or Cardinals will love to get Palmer , or Dmac , but the problem is who will be our QB? You guys will cry again next year if the Raiders are bad because of the QB situation , then blame it on the management for not bringing in an adequate QB
December 7th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
quoting dolemite? any particular reason?
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Yeah, I talking to you, Pootbutt.
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dude, u can’t hang with me. and everytime u say pootbutt, u sound like an 8-yr-old….girl.
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I think you’re more interested in hangin with me, Pootbutt.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
I’ll never figure out why we got rid of Grady Jackson.
Al Davis did some really dumb stuff towards the end.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – nB Offense Defense Specialteams
44 – 12
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 7th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
I don’t know how the possibility of getting a SB winning coach is equated with giving up on long term success.
I don’t think we would win right away with Gruden anyway, but it definitely provide some positive expectation that we’re gonna get there and that it’d be a fun ride along the way.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Exactly Silver and Black, ill be all up for bringing back Gruden, if he had success building up young rebuilding teams, just don’t get the hype yet until then I’m all for giving DA a chance , damn with how the eff his record looks in his rookie year or if he came in with credentials , guys can become good in offseason , if they want to become the best, plus The main problems come from bad OC , which is easy to correct, and lack of pressure from edge , Damontre Moore an other FA pickup will fix that
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We were 4-12 when Gruden inherited our mess.
Tell me again how he cant rebuild a team? Hell, he made Ricky Dudley a pro bowl caliber TE. RICKY FREAKING DUNCELY!!!
TB’s ownership is notoriously cheap. We shouldnt be surprised that they let that SB team fall apart.
— but the problem is that came on just the heel of one since under 7 wins , so you knew the talent was always there, there has been guys quoted all the time that the 90s Raiders had the most talent of any team in that decade an were surprised , that they didn’t win atleast 1 Sb, nobody would say the same about 2003-11 Raiders , plus the big difference was the OC last year, so what’s the big deal ? Da can bring in a new OC , and just watch how awesome DA’s scheme looks when we have rushers who can get to Qb’s with natural pressure, I know D’s under DA and Tarver will be awesome, we just need good edge pass rushers
December 7th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
I don’t know how the possibility of getting a SB winning coach is equated with giving up on long term success.
I don’t think we would win right away with Gruden anyway, but it definitely provide some positive expectation that we’re gonna get there and that it’d be a fun ride along the way.
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Yep.
I mean, James Jett and Ricky Dudley somehow became servicable under Gruden. That has to count for something right?
December 7th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
the palmer/pryor thing is actually quite easy.
if they are going to bring palmer back, there simply isn’t a reason to get a ton of looks at pryor. they have all offseason and next preseason to do that. some looks yes, but no rush.
if they are thinking of trading palmer, then yes, they need to get a lot of looks at pryor to see if they need to draft geno/barkley. cuz theat’s what they would absolutely ned to do if they felt prtor wasn’t the answer.
but number one, DA seemed like it was a stupid question to ask about palmer in his his presser today. he was pretty matter-of-fact about it. it’s very likely based on most of what i’ve seen that they intend on going with palmer next season.
the other thing is that pryor would have to REALLY impress to decide he was the guy going forward. i mean to go from a project with no playing time to letting a good vet go, and having no backup plan, would be a big longshot.
and if pryor’s the guy, they can’t pick a guy in the draft. but if they do pick a guy, then palmer and pryor are both gone.
i still think pryor’s future is at wr. not cuz of race, just cuz of skills. (and the fact that he must be dumb. just a feeling i get. not sure why. LOL. just kidding missdick and priest.)
December 7th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
If Reggie and DA fire Knapp, then I will have faith in the future.
I am looking forward to the 1st thorough examination and diagnosis of this team in years.
By the way, last year was a joke. The only reason Raiders were even close was that Denver was junk, Seymour blocked a kick in a raggedy gm against chiefs and Cutler, Pederson were hurt. Cause theirs NO freekn way the Raider defense contains Pederson or Cutler.
Hue DESERVED to be fired, if for nothing else, the Palmer and TJ deals. Those deals set the franchise back two or three years
December 7th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Some of the posts here remind of “A Few Good Men”.
“As Raider fans we use terms like “the QB must go down..and go down hard” and “Just Win Baby” and you use them as a punchline”.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
quoting dolemite? any particular reason?
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Yeah, I talking to you, Pootbutt.
***********
dude, u can’t hang with me. and everytime u say pootbutt, u sound like an 8-yr-old….girl.
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I think you’re more interested in hangin with me, Pootbutt.
**********
kinda…..creepy.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
How bout them sneaky fvcking Steelers back in that 2000 game, leaving it on 3rd down on the scoreboard to confuse Gannon and our coaches. MFers.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
I’ll never figure out why we got rid of Grady Jackson.
Al Davis did some really dumb stuff towards the end.
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how about la’roi glover? that one always got me.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Watching the video. LOL at the bit about Gruden having the receivers practice spiking the ball. This coaching staff we have right now can’t even be called upon to have A FRIGGIN BACKUP OPTON AT LONGSNAPPER!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Exactly Silver and Black, ill be all up for bringing back Gruden, if he had success building up young rebuilding teams, just don’t get the hype yet until then I’m all for giving DA a chance , damn with how the eff his record looks in his rookie year or if he came in with credentials , guys can become good in offseason , if they want to become the best, plus The main problems come from bad OC , which is easy to correct, and lack of pressure from edge , Damontre Moore an other FA pickup will fix that
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We were 4-12 when Gruden inherited our mess.
Tell me again how he cant rebuild a team? Hell, he made Ricky Dudley a pro bowl caliber TE. RICKY FREAKING DUNCELY!!!
TB’s ownership is notoriously cheap. We shouldnt be surprised that they let that SB team fall apart.
— but the problem is that came on just the heel of one since under 7 wins , so you knew the talent was always there, there has been guys quoted all the time that the 90s Raiders had the most talent of any team in that decade an were surprised , that they didn’t win atleast 1 Sb, nobody would say the same about 2003-11 Raiders , plus the big difference was the OC last year, so what’s the big deal ? Da can bring in a new OC , and just watch how awesome DA’s scheme looks when we have rushers who can get to Qb’s with natural pressure, I know D’s under DA and Tarver will be awesome, we just need good edge pass rushers
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Hey, Im not giving up on DA. A vote for Gruden means something different for a lot of us.
Youre right with all your points. I think DA is a quality coach.
But I just cant pass up on Gruden returning. I just cant. Especially when the argument is that he cant build a team. Because that isnt true. He already did it once here. He can do it again.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
“A good spike has a trajectory that goes off the screen. I don’t want the ball the dribble, or to go sideways, or bounce back and hit you on the head.”
LOL. Details. That’s what we need in a HC.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
here’s a bit of thinking to do on the last two seasons, especially two years ago, when we swept our division but sucked against the rest.
sd and kc suck. they’re almost as bad as us.
and denver was .500 last year and only swung into the playoffs on our ineptitude and tebow’s leadership. then they went and got the greatest qb ever who has a huge chip on his shoulder and suddenly they’re good. did u guys watch manning last nite? wow.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Exactly Silver and Black, ill be all up for bringing back Gruden, if he had success building up young rebuilding teams, just don’t get the hype yet until then I’m all for giving DA a chance , damn with how the eff his record looks in his rookie year or if he came in with credentials , guys can become good in offseason , if they want to become the best, plus The main problems come from bad OC , which is easy to correct, and lack of pressure from edge , Damontre Moore an other FA pickup will fix that
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We were 4-12 when Gruden inherited our mess.
Tell me again how he cant rebuild a team? Hell, he made Ricky Dudley a pro bowl caliber TE. RICKY FREAKING DUNCELY!!!
TB’s ownership is notoriously cheap. We shouldnt be surprised that they let that SB team fall apart.
— but the problem is that came on just the heel of one since under 7 wins , so you knew the talent was always there, there has been guys quoted all the time that the 90s Raiders had the most talent of any team in that decade an were surprised , that they didn’t win atleast 1 Sb, nobody would say the same about 2003-11 Raiders , plus the big difference was the OC last year, so what’s the big deal ? Da can bring in a new OC , and just watch how awesome DA’s scheme looks when we have rushers who can get to Qb’s with natural pressure, I know D’s under DA and Tarver will be awesome, we just need good edge pass rushers
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This is the same hypocrisy that you fail to see when you underplay how the last few years Al had re-upped the talent on this team, that Cable and Hue possessed in reaching 8-8 each. Allen/Reggie had the talent there to mold into something better, if they were smart about it, but they tore it apart and dispirited it. You defend Allen saying he didnt have the talent, you underplay Gruden’s success saying he did have the talent.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
“A good spike has a trajectory that goes off the screen. I don’t want the ball the dribble, or to go sideways, or bounce back and hit you on the head.”
LOL. Details. That’s what we need in a HC.
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I love all the Elijah Alexander quotes…
“Playing with the big dogs today! The puppies need to be put in their place!”
December 7th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
By the way, last year was a joke. The only reason Raiders were even close was that Denver was junk, Seymour blocked a kick in a raggedy gm against chiefs and Cutler, Pederson were hurt. Cause theirs NO freekn way the Raider defense contains Pederson or Cutler.
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Really SnB, that’s your analysis?
December 7th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Despite the contrary belief I didn’t see guys give up DA, critical mistakes at wrong times did them in, but the effort was there, could have been a different game if players don’t drop so many passes and TB catch that int on first play and goes all the way without holding call on wheeler, the plays are there, just the playmaker are below average , I like that Adams showed up to play, bring back Bartell ,Spencer,Huff along with Adams ,FA CB ,draft CB and let guys fight for starting positions and back up spots , needs legit FS though
December 7th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Gruden should follow Palmer and DMAC to the Jets. Seriously.
I would say Arizona, but Whisenhunt is a good coach. Palmer would help Arizona big time.
Gruden’s recipe is a team of aging vets pulled together for one last show. It was a vet team with a few young guys to support.
I want a decade of competitive football. Not another “heat and light” show that quickly disintegrates to 4-12 in 2yrs.
Too bad they WASTED that pick on Palmer. The raiders need to draft a QB and) and let them develop together with a young receiver (whoever steps up) and Veldheer on the line.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
#802…
Everyone around the league has been saying the last few years how talented this Raiders roster was. Hue/Cable were able to get 8 wins out of it, but left a lot to be desired, could’ve got more out of it with better defensive coaching.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Jon Gruden has genuine love for the Black Hole and its fans.
If you think he doesnt want to coach in front of us again, youre crazy.
Imagine the high one feels when getting the Coliseum in a fevered pitch like only Chucky can. It’s like GN’R getting back together and hearing Axl and Slash on the same stage again playing Welcome to the Jungle.
Total fandemonium.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
I don’t know how the possibility of getting a SB winning coach is equated with giving up on long term success.
I don’t think we would win right away with Gruden anyway, but it definitely provide some positive expectation that we’re gonna get there and that it’d be a fun ride along the way.
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Yep.
I mean, James Jett and Ricky Dudley somehow became servicable under Gruden. That has to count for something right?
—
I know i don’t speak for everyone….especially those here that want to distance themselves as far from what they call “the stain” of Al Davis as they can, and feel we are on our way to becoming a “real” organization which operates exactly like the other 31, and despise the image of being a “rogue” organization, and turn your heads in shame and embarrassment by camera shots of the unseemly denizens of the “Black Hole”, but there are still some guys who embrace the whole Raider image…and just the winning part back.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
#802…
Everyone around the league has been saying the last few years how talented this Raiders roster was. Hue/Cable were able to get 8 wins out of it, but left a lot to be desired, could’ve got more out of it with better defensive coaching.
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This defense has had 3 different coordinators in 3 years. And has sucked in each of those seasons.
It’s really hard to blame the coaches for our D.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
* want the winning part back.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
players giving up on DA is just bullsh!t planted here by priest. they play hard. they’re just not very good.
DA said today that they just aren’t there mentally. meaning he thinks they just can’t execute. physically talented perhaps, but not good upstairs.
and anyone watching that hilight cideo who still thinks we were watching a talented team the last two seasons, better think again. did any of u, at any time the last two years, feel u were really looking at a good team? i know i always felt like i was waiting for it to all fall apart, like it did. it was smoke and mirrors. a hopeful illusion. we weren’t good.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
great news…Dennis Allen cant coach the team to defeat this sunday! smh….
December 7th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Gruden should follow Palmer and DMAC to the Jets. Seriously.
I would say Arizona, but Whisenhunt is a good coach. Palmer would help Arizona big time.
Gruden’s recipe is a team of aging vets pulled together for one last show. It was a vet team with a few young guys to support.
I want a decade of competitive football. Not another “heat and light” show that quickly disintegrates to 4-12 in 2yrs.
Too bad they WASTED that pick on Palmer. The raiders need to draft a QB and) and let them develop together with a young receiver (whoever steps up) and Veldheer on the line.
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Alrighty then.!
December 7th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
I’m not undermining Gruden , just saying , you are expecting him to improve a 12 Raiders team, those 90s Raiders and Buccaneer team he took over would kick any Raiders team from 03-12 As$ 99 outta 100 times, so don’t expect same results
December 7th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Despite the contrary belief I didn’t see guys give up DA, critical mistakes at wrong times did them in, but the effort was there, could have been a different game if players don’t drop so many passes and TB catch that int on first play and goes all the way without holding call on wheeler, the plays are there, just the playmaker are below average , I like that Adams showed up to play, bring back Bartell ,Spencer,Huff along with Adams ,FA CB ,draft CB and let guys fight for starting positions and back up spots , needs legit FS though
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All valid points.
But what I really wanna know is…. Yes or No on Chucky coming home.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
players giving up on DA is just bullsh!t planted here by priest. they play hard. they’re just not very good.
DA said today that they just aren’t there mentally. meaning he thinks they just can’t execute. physically talented perhaps, but not good upstairs.
and anyone watching that hilight cideo who still thinks we were watching a talented team the last two seasons, better think again. did any of u, at any time the last two years, feel u were really looking at a good team? i know i always felt like i was waiting for it to all fall apart, like it did. it was smoke and mirrors. a hopeful illusion. we weren’t good.
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Truth.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Btw, for all those people who were arguing about RGIII, the option, and the Pistol, here’s a nice summary by Dilfer about what the Redskins have done.
Can see Gruden wanting to sink his teeth into this with Pryor.
http://youtu.be/Feja9zmoBdM
December 7th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
One of the reasons the suggestion of a Gruden return appeals to so many fans is that after all we’ve been seeing recently, he represents the first step to getting our identity back.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
I know i don’t speak for everyone….especially those here that want to distance themselves as far from what they call “the stain” of Al Davis as they can, and feel we are on our way to becoming a “real” organization which operates exactly like the other 31, and despise the image of being a “rogue” organization, and turn your heads in shame and embarrassment by camera shots of the unseemly denizens of the “Black Hole”, but there are still some guys who embrace the whole Raider image…and just the winning part back.
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u speak for me. i loved al davis. he was part of why i love the raiders. i loved being “us against the world”. i want mark to get riled up and show his genes. fu@k the nfl and the other teams and the media. i miss him. and i miss winning.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
pity from the donkeys…smh
December 7th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THqXZIGFzTA&NR=1&feature=endscreen
December 7th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
The raider defense has been terrible for almost 10yrs. Its has no talent. I don’t believe the Raiders beat Chicago or Minnesota last year if cutler and pederson were playing. Barely beat them with them out.
KC and SD were junk and the Raiders still managed to get smashed against KC once.
Last year was a mirage and those not in dreamland knew it.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
thats the raiders im a fan of…not this choir boy loser krapp…
December 7th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Seriously we want good run for long term and real identity not a 3 year run with aging players and then back to square one
December 7th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
#802…
Everyone around the league has been saying the last few years how talented this Raiders roster was. Hue/Cable were able to get 8 wins out of it, but left a lot to be desired, could’ve got more out of it with better defensive coaching.
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This defense has had 3 different coordinators in 3 years. And has sucked in each of those seasons.
It’s really hard to blame the coaches for our D.
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Check your facts every once in awhile. The Taider Defense was 11th in 2010
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2010&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1
December 7th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
for me, i know that bringing DA back is necessary and i’m fine with it.
and i wouldn’t expect gruden to walk in and perform miracles.
but it’s hard to get excited as a raiders fan right now, and gruden would be fun. we haven’t had much fun for a decade. we would have hope and we would have a coach we KNOW can coach, instead of hoping he can.
we’re just downtrodden right now and we miss being the raiders.
plus, we would all LOVE to stomp the heads in of the media and sullivan.
December 7th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
But what I really wanna know is…. Yes or No on Chucky coming home.
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Hell No
December 7th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
GG Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
#802…
Everyone around the league has been saying the last few years how talented this Raiders roster was. Hue/Cable were able to get 8 wins out of it, but left a lot to be desired, could’ve got more out of it with better defensive coaching.
———-
This defense has had 3 different coordinators in 3 years. And has sucked in each of those seasons.
It’s really hard to blame the coaches for our D.
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Check your facts every once in awhile. The Taider Defense was 11th in 2010
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2010&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1
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Keep looking up stats old man. Cause I know youre too old to remember watching the games.
Our D choked away the Jax game and a few others that year. Just like they did in 2011. I dont care what the stats say, the video dont lie.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:00 am
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Check your facts every once in awhile. The Taider Defense was 11th in 2010
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and 29th last year. was it palmer’s fault? or hue’s?
December 8th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
44 – 13
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 8th, 2012 at 12:00 am
3-13…DA
December 8th, 2012 at 12:01 am
We aren’t far away from last years 8-8 team just needed a better OC , but the reality is we are def far away from becoming a real good team, yes there are times when you can ride on of your great players coat tails and have success, but it don’t mean sh1t if you get crushed against good Ds or can’t stop great passing Os
December 8th, 2012 at 12:01 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
One of the reasons the suggestion of a Gruden return appeals to so many fans is that after all we’ve been seeing recently, he represents the first step to getting our identity back.
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excellent comment. the identity factor is a key. you also know gruden will have them believing and enthused, playing smarter football.
someone said it really well many threads ago…all this hiring people of faith with clean-cut backgrounds and hard-working mediocrity…yes that’s good if you’re hiring staff for some civilian private business. but this is football, an athletic violent game.
they said it much better than i did, of course.
whoever said it, big round of applause.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:03 am
4:1 ratio….for every 1 blind bat, 4 fans understand we need gruden.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:03 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THqXZIGFzTA&NR=1&feature=endscreen
Just read the comments below the video.
The Raider Nation has spoken.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:03 am
Keep looking up stats old man. Cause I know youre too old to remember watching the games.
Our D choked away the Jax game and a few others that year. Just like they did in 2011. I dont care what the stats say, the video dont lie.
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No, but your interpretation does.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:03 am
The Coliseum would be ELECTRIC with Gruden here. I want that back.
Mark – Do the needy!
December 8th, 2012 at 12:04 am
So you need to have legit attack on the ground and in the air or you need a relentless pass rush, I’m pretty sure if the team just wanted to repeat the last years record they could done similar things , but they want long term success not copy a 8-8 team lol
December 8th, 2012 at 12:04 am
8-3=5….only 5 games away from last year…1/3 of the season.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:04 am
my ultimate feeling on gruden is kinda like what the broncos faced with manning/tebow.
they had a young popular kid who just led them to the playoffs.but they had a shot at greatness and went all in for it.
same thing with what harbaugh is doing with kaepernick/smith. he’s going for it all.
i am fine with DA coming back. i know a lot of nfl people think highly of him. i know the talent sucks. i am willing to give him a shot at building it.
UNLESS, they have a shot at a great coach. gruden, cowher, maybe chip kelly or brian kelly. i mean basically, if u have a chance at trading WAY UP, then u have to say fu@k staying the course and go for it. but then u have to settle in for 5 years and let ur great coach get it done.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:05 am
yeah they wanted to lose 13 games…
December 8th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:00 am
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Check your facts every once in awhile. The Taider Defense was 11th in 2010
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and 29th last year. was it palmer’s fault? or hue’s?
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Did either have anything to do with the defense last year?
December 8th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:01 am
We aren’t far away from last years 8-8 team just needed a better OC , but the reality is we are def far away from becoming a real good team, yes there are times when you can ride on of your great players coat tails and have success, but it don’t mean sh1t if you get crushed against good Ds or can’t stop great passing Os
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If youre going to blame our players, then you cant blame the OC.
I know youre watching the games MF20, you see all the drops and timely sacks and penalties. That isnt Knapps fault and you know it.
Our guys cant even execute the basic stuff.
At least with Gruden, they’ll be scared to drop another ball, cause for whatever reason, the fear of losing their jobs isnt enough, nor is the fear of dissapointing Knapp. But pissing off Gruden is something no player wants to do.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:08 am
Kell, you havent cast your vote on Prop Gruden, what is it?
December 8th, 2012 at 12:09 am
I would stick with DA, although I am not much of a fan of his.
Knapp needs to be fired day 1.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:09 am
Anyways different opinions, but we all want success, so either way any coach we hire , nothing will happen until we get our D fixed , no pass = last ranked D
December 8th, 2012 at 12:09 am
dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:04 am
my ultimate feeling on gruden is kinda like what the broncos faced with manning/tebow.
they had a young popular kid who just led them to the playoffs.but they had a shot at greatness and went all in for it.
same thing with what harbaugh is doing with kaepernick/smith. he’s going for it all.
i am fine with DA coming back. i know a lot of nfl people think highly of him. i know the talent sucks. i am willing to give him a shot at building it.
UNLESS, they have a shot at a great coach. gruden, cowher, maybe chip kelly or brian kelly. i mean basically, if u have a chance at trading WAY UP, then u have to say fu@k staying the course and go for it. but then u have to settle in for 5 years and let ur great coach get it done.
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first reasonable comment you’ve posted all week
j/k
that last couple of sentences is exactly right.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:11 am
GG Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:01 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
One of the reasons the suggestion of a Gruden return appeals to so many fans is that after all we’ve been seeing recently, he represents the first step to getting our identity back.
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excellent comment. the identity factor is a key. you also know gruden will have them believing and enthused, playing smarter football.
someone said it really well many threads ago…all this hiring people of faith with clean-cut backgrounds and hard-working mediocrity…yes that’s good if you’re hiring staff for some civilian private business. but this is football, an athletic violent game.
they said it much better than i did, of course.
whoever said it, big round of applause.
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i disagree. i’m a Christian and i played hi school football for one of the best programs in the country. we were #3 in the country when i was a sophomore. we went undefeated my senior year and continued to go undefeated for 12 years.
notre dame is the best team in the country. they’re athletes are smart, well spoken, and mostly religious.
manto teo is a devout young man. play football against him and see how it feels for him to knock ur teeth loose when he tackles u. ask his teammates how it is to play with him. how inspiring he is. what a leader he is.
steve young was religious. the direct descendant of brigham young.
reggie white was a minister.
lots of examples.
what good young men do is bring u accountability, effort, smarts, and health.
we don’t want the mcclains of the world. idiot thugs who are actually cowards.
by the way, dave casper was a devout man. vann mcelroy’s dad was a minister. it goes on and on.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:12 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXfsB4idX-Q
I was 20 years old watching this game.
I went over to my bosses house to watch the game with him. I got fired that day.
He was a huge Eagles fan.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:13 am
KoolKell Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:00 am
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Check your facts every once in awhile. The Taider Defense was 11th in 2010
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and 29th last year. was it palmer’s fault? or hue’s?
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Did either have anything to do with the defense last year?
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my point about palmer was my point about him this year. he has little to do with our losing.
my point about hue was…..fu@k yes he did! he was the head coach! while our defense fell from 11th to 29th. and we went 1-4 down the stretch.
and guys blame DA for regression. it started LAST YEAR!
December 8th, 2012 at 12:15 am
I know youre watching the games MF20, you see all the drops
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That video really illustrates how receivers also make the QB. One of the highlights is a sidearm throw Gannon makes in KC across his body and to the other side of the field with Brown covered. HUGE no-no, right? Brown comes back for it and makes the grab.
That’s why I get a kick out of the Palmer hate when the guy can’t even count on his receivers being in the right spot, much less make a play.
Our receivers are playing like garbage this year. Is it coaching? Is it desire? Focus? Who knows, but I bet they’d be much more likely to succeed under Gruden. Call it a hunch.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:15 am
3-13….3-13..,
December 8th, 2012 at 12:16 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:13 am
KoolKell Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:00 am
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Check your facts every once in awhile. The Taider Defense was 11th in 2010
************
and 29th last year. was it palmer’s fault? or hue’s?
——————
Did either have anything to do with the defense last year?
*************
my point about palmer was my point about him this year. he has little to do with our losing.
my point about hue was…..fu@k yes he did! he was the head coach! while our defense fell from 11th to 29th. and we went 1-4 down the stretch.
and guys blame DA for regression. it started LAST YEAR!
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Hue had no real control over the defense. Al ran that and you know this
December 8th, 2012 at 12:17 am
dr_robert, raiders have their own identity. we’re not supposed to be like 31 other franchises. yes, being good and winning is the idea, but it doesnt take choirboy mentality to achieve that. you get the best athletes on the field, you devise smart strategies and creative packages, you have good play-calling, you find ways to utilize the variety of your talent.
eg Kaufman is not Wheatley and Wheatley is not Kaufman, just like Taiwan is not Reece and Reece is not Taiwan. You don’t have DHB who struggles with over the shoulder catches running deep patterns, you use him as a YAC beast across the middle, etc.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:18 am
Try Some Reality Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:15 am
I know youre watching the games MF20, you see all the drops
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That video really illustrates how receivers also make the QB. One of the highlights is a sidearm throw Gannon makes in KC across his body and to the other side of the field with Brown covered. HUGE no-no, right? Brown comes back for it and makes the grab.
That’s why I get a kick out of the Palmer hate when the guy can’t even count on his receivers being in the right spot, much less make a play.
Our receivers are playing like garbage this year. Is it coaching? Is it desire? Focus? Who knows, but I bet they’d be much more likely to succeed under Gruden. Call it a hunch.
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it’s mainly youth. palmer has looked dismayed many times. but he’s a leader and takes the blame and refuses to throw his guys under the bus. it’s one of the things i feel DA likes about him.
dhb–4th year
moore–2nd year
streater–rookie
criner–rookie
myers–4th year
ausberry–2nd year
December 8th, 2012 at 12:20 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:12 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXfsB4idX-Q
I was 20 years old watching this game.
I went over to my bosses house to watch the game with him. I got fired that day.
He was a huge Eagles fan.
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Whoa, seriously? Talk about sour grapes. Sheesh.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:20 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:01 am
We aren’t far away from last years 8-8 team just needed a better OC , but the reality is we are def far away from becoming a real good team, yes there are times when you can ride on of your great players coat tails and have success, but it don’t mean sh1t if you get crushed against good Ds or can’t stop great passing Os
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If youre going to blame our players, then you cant blame the OC.
I know youre watching the games MF20, you see all the drops and timely sacks and penalties. That isnt Knapps fault and you know it.
Our guys cant even execute the basic stuff.
At least with Gruden, they’ll be scared to drop another ball, cause for whatever reason, the fear of losing their jobs isnt enough, nor is the fear of dissapointing Knapp. But pissing off Gruden is something no player wants to do.
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Yeah def it’s not all Knapps fault Guys are leaving 10+ points on the field everyday , every drive is sumthing different but that’s happening because he’s asking average guys to make plays , where as Hue rode McFaddens coat tails and barely had to rely in these receivers who would probably wont start for any other team , and also his play calling kinda gets predictable too many times , but that’s not to take the blame way from players, in a way I’m kinda glad our receivers are getting exposed , now everyone is pretty much on boat with me that we need #1 receiver
December 8th, 2012 at 12:21 am
RaidO Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:16 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:13 am
KoolKell Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:00 am
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Check your facts every once in awhile. The Taider Defense was 11th in 2010
************
and 29th last year. was it palmer’s fault? or hue’s?
——————
Did either have anything to do with the defense last year?
*************
my point about palmer was my point about him this year. he has little to do with our losing.
my point about hue was…..fu@k yes he did! he was the head coach! while our defense fell from 11th to 29th. and we went 1-4 down the stretch.
and guys blame DA for regression. it started LAST YEAR!
—————————-
Hue had no real control over the defense. Al ran that and you know this
*************
al davis was involved with scheme. but he let kiffin run cover-2. and he was never on the field.
the head coach is accountable. if DA is responsible for the regression of the offense this year, then hue was as responsible for the defense last year.
bottom line is out talent is WEAK. and i’ve said for a long time, it startes with mcclain.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:23 am
If DA is fired. Bring in Kevin Gilbride.
Quick fixes don’t exist for this squad. Too many check casin no producin vets on this team. When was the last time Seymour played? What’s Kelly doing? Its a joke. At least McBust is suspended for laziness. Mcfadden? Always hurt.
And carson? Is he actually “winning” the close gms for us? Nope. He’s a npon factor on THIS team. Put him in Arizona with real NFL talent and he can help you.
No more aging vet saviors and no more Back to the Future signings.
This is gonna take a while. A quck fix only delays what needs to be done. Fire Knapp
December 8th, 2012 at 12:23 am
Can Gruden mold Houdini into a Gannon-type? Man, I’d love to see it. Gannon was hard to sack and smart with the ball.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:25 am
biggest issues this season:
wiz move back to center and his injury early
barnes injury
brisiel sucks
young receivers
dmc injury history catching up to him (NOT SCHEME–see marcel reece)
seymour injury/decline (HUGE)
shaugnessy injury–not the same
mcclain on filed is like having only ten players
both starting corners hurt
NO BACKUP LONG SNAPPER!
December 8th, 2012 at 12:26 am
I can realistically see Streater becoming a solid #2 next year with a Chance to become #1 3-4 years down the road , but I’ll live with #2 status next year ,and #1 pickup through free agency ,I could live with DMoore,DHB,Ford,Criner and couple of other guys fights for #3,#4,5and#6 spots
December 8th, 2012 at 12:26 am
put ur sherlock holmes hats on for a moment.
any evidence whatsoever that pryor is being considered as a replacement for palmer?
any at all?
December 8th, 2012 at 12:27 am
#862…boo hoo a few injuries is all to blame. excuses man. hue’s team had it worse regarding injuries and set backs.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:27 am
bottom line is out talent is WEAK. and i’ve said for a long time, it startes with mcclain.
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Yeah it was 8-8 weak last year and 3-13 weak this year
December 8th, 2012 at 12:28 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:26 am
I can realistically see Streater becoming a solid #2 next year with a Chance to become #1 3-4 years down the road , but I’ll live with #2 status next year ,and #1 pickup through free agency ,I could live with DMoore,DHB,Ford,Criner and couple of other guys fights for #3,#4,5and#6 spots
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reggie LOVES big receivers.
i can seriously see him going after bowe.
also, i can see him trading moore for a 3rd rounder.
keeping dhb, streater, and criner.
ford as kick returner.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:28 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:26 am
I can realistically see Streater becoming a solid #2 next year with a Chance to become #1
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Man, who knows anymore. We thought this of Moore after last year. Even Reggie called him his #1, so he thought it too. So what happened?
December 8th, 2012 at 12:28 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:21 am
RaidO Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:16 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:13 am
KoolKell Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:00 am
KoolKell Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Check your facts every once in awhile. The Taider Defense was 11th in 2010
************
and 29th last year. was it palmer’s fault? or hue’s?
——————
Did either have anything to do with the defense last year?
*************
my point about palmer was my point about him this year. he has little to do with our losing.
my point about hue was…..fu@k yes he did! he was the head coach! while our defense fell from 11th to 29th. and we went 1-4 down the stretch.
and guys blame DA for regression. it started LAST YEAR!
—————————-
Hue had no real control over the defense. Al ran that and you know this
*************
al davis was involved with scheme. but he let kiffin run cover-2. and he was never on the field.
the head coach is accountable. if DA is responsible for the regression of the offense this year, then hue was as responsible for the defense last year.
bottom line is out talent is WEAK. and i’ve said for a long time, it startes with mcclain.
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The HUGE regression of the offense was VERY preventable. All DA had to do was bring in a OC with a similar style as Hue and Saunders. He brought in frickin Greg Knapp. LOL.
Since DA is suppose to be a defense guy the defense is on him. DA is a FAILURE and should be FIRED.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:29 am
KoolKell Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:27 am
bottom line is out talent is WEAK. and i’ve said for a long time, it startes with mcclain.
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Yeah it was 8-8 weak last year and 3-13 weak this year
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well, it was 1-4 weak in the final third of the season. this season is a continuation of that slide.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:29 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:18 am
Try Some Reality Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:15 am
I know youre watching the games MF20, you see all the drops
=======================================
That video really illustrates how receivers also make the QB. One of the highlights is a sidearm throw Gannon makes in KC across his body and to the other side of the field with Brown covered. HUGE no-no, right? Brown comes back for it and makes the grab.
That’s why I get a kick out of the Palmer hate when the guy can’t even count on his receivers being in the right spot, much less make a play.
Our receivers are playing like garbage this year. Is it coaching? Is it desire? Focus? Who knows, but I bet they’d be much more likely to succeed under Gruden. Call it a hunch.
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it’s mainly youth. palmer has looked dismayed many times. but he’s a leader and takes the blame and refuses to throw his guys under the bus. it’s one of the things i feel DA likes about him.
dhb–4th year
moore–2nd year
streater–rookie
criner–rookie
myers–4th year
ausberry–2nd year
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And this is the difference between Palmer and Manning.
Manning has taken a very young Demarius Thomas and willed him into a legit receiver. He always had talent and showed promise, but Manning is turning him into a “pro”.
Maybe its just too much on Palmer’s plate, because its not just one guy but the entire cast that is young.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:29 am
it’d be also great if another HC came here next year, who inherits the same roster and turns all the current existing players from looking like crap under Allen, to looking good again. that’d hopefully enlighten those out there beating the mule of “its not coaching”.
but of course, they’ll cite all the improvement of other players due to some players drafted/signed in the off-season.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:30 am
RaidO Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:28 am
The HUGE regression of the offense was VERY preventable. All DA had to do was bring in a OC with a similar style as Hue and Saunders. He brought in frickin Greg Knapp. LOL.
Since DA is suppose to be a defense guy the defense is on him. DA is a FAILURE and should be FIRED.
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perhaps. but it’s not likely to happen. settle in boys. it’s DA in ‘13 almost for sure.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:31 am
Try Some Reality Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:23 am
Can Gruden mold Houdini into a Gannon-type? Man, I’d love to see it. Gannon was hard to sack and smart with the ball.
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It all depends on Pryors work ethic and chip on his shoulder. Those were Gannons two biggest strengths.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:31 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:26 am
put ur sherlock holmes hats on for a moment.
any evidence whatsoever that pryor is being considered as a replacement for palmer?
any at all?
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Why do we have to consider him as a replacement? Why can’t we consider him as our future QB? I didn’t say Pryor should start next year. I just want to see what Gruden could do with him given a little time.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:32 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:20 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:01 am
We aren’t far away from last years 8-8 team just needed a better OC , but the reality is we are def far away from becoming a real good team, yes there are times when you can ride on of your great players coat tails and have success, but it don’t mean sh1t if you get crushed against good Ds or can’t stop great passing Os
———–
If youre going to blame our players, then you cant blame the OC.
I know youre watching the games MF20, you see all the drops and timely sacks and penalties. That isnt Knapps fault and you know it.
Our guys cant even execute the basic stuff.
At least with Gruden, they’ll be scared to drop another ball, cause for whatever reason, the fear of losing their jobs isnt enough, nor is the fear of dissapointing Knapp. But pissing off Gruden is something no player wants to do.
/—
Yeah def it’s not all Knapps fault Guys are leaving 10+ points on the field everyday , every drive is sumthing different but that’s happening because he’s asking average guys to make plays , where as Hue rode McFaddens coat tails and barely had to rely in these receivers who would probably wont start for any other team , and also his play calling kinda gets predictable too many times , but that’s not to take the blame way from players, in a way I’m kinda glad our receivers are getting exposed , now everyone is pretty much on boat with me that we need #1 receiver
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And this is why I think youre a quality member of this board.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:34 am
And this is the difference between Palmer and Manning.
Manning has taken a very young Demarius Thomas and willed him into a legit receiver. He always had talent and showed promise, but Manning is turning him into a “pro”.
Maybe its just too much on Palmer’s plate, because its not just one guy but the entire cast that is young.
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Excellent point, Riff. You know, I compared Gannon’s receivers to Palmer’s just a bit ago, but something should be said about Gannon’s leadership and expectations for his receivers. Maybe Palmer’s just not cutting it in that area. I think he’s a good leader and many folks have said as much (coaches, teammates), but maybe he’s just not tough enough on his teammates, like Gannon was.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Does any fan actually care what Allen thinks about the roster, or says post-game every week, and mid-week during training? He’s the HC and no one gives a crap, but instead pine for Jon and Hue.
Remember in the bengals game, hue actually came off the bench to break up the fight, and raider players were smiling and patting him on the back. meanwhile, allen was standing on the sideline with hands on hips.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Try Some Reality Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:20 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:12 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXfsB4idX-Q
I was 20 years old watching this game.
I went over to my bosses house to watch the game with him. I got fired that day.
He was a huge Eagles fan.
========================================
Whoa, seriously? Talk about sour grapes. Sheesh.
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True story.
Guy never spoke to me again.
In fact, he left his house at halftime. His wife was a hot blonde that was in her late 20s at the time. She kept bringing me food and apologizing for her husbands behavior.
I probably missed a prime opportunity to get laid but was too young and dumb to know it.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:35 am
Gnite guys, and don’t fret too much , things go in cycles , our team will come next year , 1 nation
December 8th, 2012 at 12:36 am
yes for Gruden
December 8th, 2012 at 12:37 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:29 am
it’s mainly youth. palmer has looked dismayed many times. but he’s a leader and takes the blame and refuses to throw his guys under the bus. it’s one of the things i feel DA likes about him.
dhb–4th year
moore–2nd year
streater–rookie
criner–rookie
myers–4th year
ausberry–2nd year
—————–
And this is the difference between Palmer and Manning.
Manning has taken a very young Demarius Thomas and willed him into a legit receiver. He always had talent and showed promise, but Manning is turning him into a “pro”.
Maybe its just too much on Palmer’s plate, because its not just one guy but the entire cast that is young.
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well, i am a palmer fan but i would never equate him with manning. palmer’s good. manning is the best….ever.
but thomas and decker were good LAST YEAR. they were really coming on towards the end of the season.
plus manning’s line is better.
manning=19 sacks
palmer=26 sacks
broncos=1379 rushing yards
raiders=1055 rushing yards
broncos defense=#9
raiders defense=#31
but while palmer is a golden haired hero, manning is a horse-headed god.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:38 am
Palmer is not blame at all for the season. Its just that where Oakland is/was is not a place that can use a 30 something QB. The Raiders need to be developing a long term solution at QB RIGHT NOW.
I don’t know or think its Pryor. I would like to get a look in a real gm and not rely on typical offseason workout posts from the media.
Tampa, miami, washington, indy and minnesota, seattle are all competing and building for the long term right now!
Meanwhile Oakland, KC, Ariona are mired in losing with no QB under development.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:38 am
Try Some Reality Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:34 am
And this is the difference between Palmer and Manning.
Manning has taken a very young Demarius Thomas and willed him into a legit receiver. He always had talent and showed promise, but Manning is turning him into a “pro”.
Maybe its just too much on Palmer’s plate, because its not just one guy but the entire cast that is young.
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Excellent point, Riff. You know, I compared Gannon’s receivers to Palmer’s just a bit ago, but something should be said about Gannon’s leadership and expectations for his receivers. Maybe Palmer’s just not cutting it in that area. I think he’s a good leader and many folks have said as much (coaches, teammates), but maybe he’s just not tough enough on his teammates, like Gannon was.
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I think he just has too much on his plate. It’s been a long time since Palmer ever played with guys so young.
Gannon was so hard on young guys, combined with Gruden, none of the young guys ever made it on the field. Other than Porter, a Al scholarship guy, name one young WR that Gannon ever gave the time of day? You cant.
Palmer doesnt have that luxury. Thats why it would have been wise to bring in both Plax and TO in the offseason. Those guys would not have been running so many wrong routes. Old, yes. But vets also.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:38 am
Try Some Reality Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:31 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:26 am
put ur sherlock holmes hats on for a moment.
any evidence whatsoever that pryor is being considered as a replacement for palmer?
any at all?
==================================
Why do we have to consider him as a replacement? Why can’t we consider him as our future QB? I didn’t say Pryor should start next year. I just want to see what Gruden could do with him given a little time.
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my point is he’s unlikely to get much playing time this season. they have time to look at him later.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:42 am
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
45 – 13
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 8th, 2012 at 12:44 am
In fact, he left his house at halftime. His wife was a hot blonde that was in her late 20s at the time. She kept bringing me food and apologizing for her husbands behavior.
I probably missed a prime opportunity to get laid but was too young and dumb to know it.
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LOL. It was probably best in the end, lest he come after you with a rifle.
Ah, I remember well being young and a bit naive. I had a couple of hot moms and girlfriends make passes at me and always blew it off thinking “Nah, she couldn’t be coming after me, she’s taken.”
In my early college years, I was a porter & shuttle driver for a couple of dealerships. Could have gotten laid a few times if I wanted. One cougar actually told me straight up “My husband doesn’t want any more kids, so I’m going to have one without him”. Said this with a smile and a wink as I was dropping her off at her house (husband at work). I’m sure if I would have said something like “I’m sure you’ll have no problem finding a suitor”, I’d be in. lol. smh
December 8th, 2012 at 12:44 am
i saw ocho cinco the other nite on espn and he was making his case for playing again. he seemed really to have grown up. he took blame and refused to bite when skip bayless tried to get him to blame coaches.
he looked in the camera and said “if any coaches are watching, i have learned humility. if u bring me in, i am quiet and always open.”
he might be worth a look.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:47 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:44 am
i saw ocho cinco the other nite on espn and he was making his case for playing again. he seemed really to have grown up. he took blame and refused to bite when skip bayless tried to get him to blame coaches.
he looked in the camera and said “if any coaches are watching, i have learned humility. if u bring me in, i am quiet and always open.”
he might be worth a look.
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Physically, Im sure he’s fine. But he’s not what he once was. I saw him during his prime and he was so quick. His route running so so precise.
But if you follow him on twitter (which I do), then you dont want anything to do with him. He’s a basket case.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Palmers situation here in Oakland reminds me alot of some of the McNabb years in Philly.
McNabb was never really given any WR help sans the one year TO showed up. Other than that, they continually rolled out garbage heap WRs and it made McNabb’s job so much harder.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:00 am
Say no to quick fix. Build. Up the team. I have no problem watching young players take their lumps as long as they show improvement.
Get a young QB in the draft and just freekn play him
Really could use that 2nd round pick.
Also, $13mil could net a couple of good players and trading Carson could net a 3rd round pick. Free up cap and get picks
December 8th, 2012 at 1:00 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZWdCz18bg
Raiders vs Niners 2000 complete game
December 8th, 2012 at 1:02 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNMTaMGDXhQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
You guys want a linebacker look at my boy larry grant, sleeper! Id pass on manti and grab latouleilei or jarvis after signing him. Im telling you larrys a beast we could trade down and still come away with a qb of the defense if we sign this guy. Geter done reggie!
December 8th, 2012 at 1:04 am
our draft is light again. which handcuffs us again. no 2nd rounder, which would REALLY give us flexibility in the first round. instead, we have to be PERFECT in the 1st round. we lost a pick with the curry trade, and gained one with the murphy trade.
it might really make sense to trade, palmer, dmc, moore, and houston and accumulate picks. trade down and get more. just get as many as possible.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:05 am
Larry grant 2013. Jarvis jones, larry grant, phillip wheeler …. Our lb core would be set!
December 8th, 2012 at 1:05 am
Loved that game at home vs KC in 2000. No Jano, no problem. Just kept scoring TDs. lol
December 8th, 2012 at 1:07 am
thing is we might end up with the top pick.
carolina and kc could both beat us.
philly has enuff to win again.
jax plays the jets, miami, and tennessee so they could win.
it’s hard to see us winning again the way things have been going.
then what?
pass on geno?
December 8th, 2012 at 1:14 am
Pass on geno trade the top pick for more picks and use them to fill the needs you cant fill through free agency… I like jarvis jones, I think we can trade down gain some more picks and still get him. We can get larry grant in free agency and replace mclame…
December 8th, 2012 at 1:15 am
Draft the best player available, whether Geno or the backer from ND or whoever. Just get the best available.
Raiders need to hit on some long-term starters with elite talent with these picks. Hell, it could be a Right Guard for all I care.
We need some real players in here. Players you have to seriously game plan for.
None of that right now. Not one difference maker
No more DHB type picks either. Guys drafted high that just becomes regular guys. Production please!
December 8th, 2012 at 1:19 am
my brain tells me trade down. accumulate picks. no guarantees anyway, no matter how good the guy looks at the time.
trade chips. palmer. dmc. moore. houston. get 12 picks in the draft. add about 2-3 good FA’s and about 7 decent FA’s for depth/upgrades.
release brisiel, seymour, mcclain, huff.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:21 am
Best player available. I’ll take one elite talentd over two or three guy like DHB and Mike Mitchell
Only trade down if Reggie feels that the top guys aren’t worth it. Stockpiling is good, but getting the nnext Suh or Luck or AJ Green is better
December 8th, 2012 at 1:29 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:19 am
my brain tells me trade down. accumulate picks. no guarantees anyway, no matter how good the guy looks at the time.
trade chips. palmer. dmc. moore. houston. get 12 picks in the draft. add about 2-3 good FA’s and about 7 decent FA’s for depth/upgrades.
release brisiel, seymour, mcclain, huff.
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This is the wise route to take.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:53 am
Fire the current regime!!!!
December 8th, 2012 at 3:18 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Palmer has been one of the worst raider qbs in history.
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LOL. ok, kid. all the experts seem to think he’s the best since gannon, and the best pure passer since george.
but u have a draft board. u should not leave the house without a helmet.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:21 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Im sorry but i dont see how throwing for 3500 yards means anything at all when you are 3-10.
These pathetic otals do not in any way justify playing palmer over pryor for even one more snap.
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perhaps the 3-10 record isn’t his fault since he has such good numbers. hmm? eh?
sooooo……..sit the vet with great numbers for the mysterious black man who has never played. otherwise, it’s white supremacy.
u are my fav poster. just love u.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:23 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
“Im sorry but i dont see how throwing for 3500 yards means anything at all when you are 3-10.”
Unless your name is Cam Newton then it means something!!!
Gotcha!
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wrong his name could have been joe blow to post those numbers and every other rookie qb record he set is phenomenal.
Palmer is a sad sack 10 year loser, they dont compare at all
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ok. so we are to understand that those numbers mean ur great if ur a 2nd year player but u suck if ur a veteran. that’s ur story? really?
ur the comedic genius od ur generation missdick. unintentional but hilarious.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:26 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
“Im sorry but i dont see how throwing for 3500 yards means anything at all when you are 3-10.”
Unless your name is Cam Newton then it means you are REVOLUTIONIZING” the league!
LMAO at you
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why bring up newton when we are talking about palmer
Why would you continue to embarrass yourself by bring up newton as a counter to palmer criticism.
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why bring up newton? cuz u never stop talking about how great he is. numbers and record are the same. this isn’t 2011.
ur hypocrisy is stupefying.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:28 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
“Lol ….your turn”
9-19 LMFAO the only stat that matters.
Checkmate!
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LOL sb666, just like i thought you have no counter.
You tried to make a point that i weighted cam’s stats more favorably than palmer.
i do and I justified wit with a list of eye popping nfl first, by a rookie and 2nd year player.
Now you want to change the argument by bring up win totals.
What exactly is your argument or point?
You seem to be all over the place. lol
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u bring up wins and losses constantly for palmer but they don’t count for newton. do u see something wrong with that? no? ur just dumb? oh, ok. i see.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:31 am
missdick–serious question. do u jerk off to newton and griffin separately or do u sometimes have a threesome in ur fantasy?
December 8th, 2012 at 4:26 am
Attn: Jacoby Ford
pack your bags. undrafted rookie Rod Streater put you out of a job
December 8th, 2012 at 4:37 am
Carson Palmer has been our QB for 23 games now and won precious few of them, 7 to be exact
he’s thrown 30 INT’s and has 9 fumbles (6 lost)
Hey – JaMarcus Russell only had 23 INT’s in 25 starts!!
JR had 8 wins. He was a 22 year old, not a 32 year old like CP3
Uh yeah, I’m ready for a new QB
December 8th, 2012 at 4:38 am
there you have it Debo!!
Carson Palmer is a bigger loser than JaMarcus Russell
it’s well documented
December 8th, 2012 at 4:47 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 4:26 am
Attn: Jacoby Ford
pack your bags. undrafted rookie Rod Streater put you out of a job
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I thought it was a lisfranc sprain.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:55 am
Our last 3 games are against the Chiefs, Panthers & Chargers … 3 teams that CERTAINLY wont make the playoffs or finish at .500 and all 3 could fire HC’s
I’m for benching Palmer & McFadden the rest of the way and letting Pryor & Jones have an opportunity with Leinart & Goodson as their backups
the season is over and we need to evaluate the youngsters. start Bergs over Barnes at RT too!
Phil Adams over Bartell on defense. If Seymour is eventually healthy enough to play, make him sit. Give Bilukidi some extra run
December 8th, 2012 at 4:55 am
JWB,
wake up. Ford sucks
December 8th, 2012 at 5:15 am
JFB seems to be MIA since gameday.
No tailgate reports yesterday either
I vote No on the gruden list
He will not just be the head coach, he will want to be in charge of drafts and all player decisions
Basically he wants a GM duty without all the GM duties
December 8th, 2012 at 5:22 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 4:37 am
Carson Palmer has been our QB for 23 games now and won precious few of them, 7 to be exact
he’s thrown 30 INT’s and has 9 fumbles (6 lost)
Hey – JaMarcus Russell only had 23 INT’s in 25 starts!!
JR had 8 wins. He was a 22 year old, not a 32 year old like CP3
Uh yeah, I’m ready for a new QB
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interesting stats.
i wanted Pryor to start a while back, this only further highlights Palmer is expendable.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:25 am
36 turnovers in 23 games by Palmer is enough evidence to bring the curtain down on him, as much as he’s a likeable person and teammate.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Anybody interested in the Monday night game?
Should the best game of the season so far
December 8th, 2012 at 6:02 am
CP would have been great if we were a good team just lacking a QB
We lack everything everywhere and having a top QB is pointless. I would have rather run the ball and work on the zbs the last three games and let P play so everyone will shut up or he will shine and play him next year while we rebuild
Surely some team would give up a second for CP and maybe a fourth for dmac
December 8th, 2012 at 6:12 am
GG Says:
36 turnovers in 23 games by Palmer is enough evidence to bring the curtain down on him, as much as he’s a likeable person and teammate.
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Some of that is on the receivers, running bad routes, deflections into DB hands.
But yeah, no way they should keep him around for a $17 million cap hit in 2013. That’s too much for a guy who doesn’t know better than to throw into double coverage with Champ Bailey.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:25 am
D0A with more lame excuses excuses excuses…..Sorry Wholmes the clock is a ticking and u be getting close to pumpkin thyme…
brIng on 3-13 so we can get to KUTTIN’ the
KLOWN KOACH KADRE!
December 8th, 2012 at 6:26 am
Reggie Mc and his pathetic HC inherited an 8 and 8 team. A team with the 10 ranked offense. 3 Pro Bowlers and 3 alternates.
2012 Pro Bowlers: defensive tackle Richard Seymour, punter Shane Lechler, and kicker Sebastian Janikowski.
Pro Bowl alternates were safety Tyvon Branch, defensive tackle Tommy Kelly, running back Darren McFadden, and fullback Marcel Reece.
They all returned for this season. The same applies to virtually the entire 10th ranked offensive unit.
They ruin the team, making it a pathetic laughing stock. After ruining the team both imbeciles falsely claim the team was void of talent. How many other teams had that many pro bowlers and alternates. The 2011 Raiders consistently pressure and sacked QB’s. The DA coached Raiders rarely smell the QB. DA and his cast of loser assistants had no clue how to coach the talent they were given.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:28 am
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/group/14891
Don’t forget to join the bowl game pick em contest
password = aldavis
First game is coming up soon and there are only a few spots left
December 8th, 2012 at 6:59 am
890.Raider Riff Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Palmers situation here in Oakland reminds me alot of some of the McNabb years in Philly.
McNabb was never really given any WR help sans the one year TO showed up. Other than that, they continually rolled out garbage heap WRs and it made McNabb’s job so much harder.
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Good point, although it will be lost a quite a few in here.
If memory serves, the year McNabb had TO is the only year during his time there that they made it past the NFC title game to the Super Bowl.
December 8th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:42 am
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
45 – 13
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
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This is tough, my heart says yes. Bought I have no problem with DA getting another year.
What makes me nervous about this story is that is has the set up for the Raiders to e moving to LA. Someone pistes the other day that Davis was seen meeting with Rams owner and Aig the other day ( was that true? I never researched it). Plus, I can see making the Gruden move and the LA move in one swoop. That would be huge money.
With that said, I don’t want the Raiders in LA. They belong in Oakland. If they did move, I would probably get season tix, since I live in SD. But they need to stay where they are at. I’ve been to games at the Colosium. I’ve been to O.co. The Raiders are Oakland.
Hmmm, I need to think about this.
December 8th, 2012 at 7:12 am
Pistes = posted. I really need to stop posting with my phone.
December 8th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Derek Says:
A team with the 10 ranked offense.
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I’m assuming you mean in yardage. And actually, they were ranked 9th.
But the only stat that matters is scoring. The Raiders were 16th in the league last year, scoring 22 points a game. They got the benefit of a kick return and fumble return for TDs. Take those two away and the average drops closer to 21 points per game.
So yes, they have regressed in that category – by a little less than a FG per game. They are now 22nd ranked with 19 points per game.
But back to the “top 10 offense” yardage argument … The Raiders averaged 379 yards per game in 2011. They have regressed very slightly to 358 yards per game in 2012.
The Raiders also had 296 first downs last season. They are on pace for a slightly fewer 283 in 2012.
On the points allowed side, the Raiders gave up 27 per game in 2011. They’re on pace to give up 4 more points per game at 31 this season. That said, the Raiders last three opponents are just as bad, if not worse, at scoring (SD slightly better, Carolina the same, KC worse). So there’s a pretty good chance they won’t stray too far from where they were last year. And that’s with a complete change in defensive philosophy.
I view most of this as a continuation of last season’s problems. The team does not convert yardage into points (a coaching and player problem), the franchise running back can’t stay healthy (a player problem), and the defense lacks playmakers (a player problem).
December 8th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Good morning nation and Green Party.
December 8th, 2012 at 7:46 am
But the only stat that matters is scoring. The Raiders were 16th in the league last year, scoring 22 points a game. They got the benefit of a kick return and fumble return for TDs. Take those two away and the average drops closer to 21 points per game.
So yes, they have regressed in that category – by a little less than a FG per game. They are now 22nd ranked with 19 points per game.
But back to the “top 10 offense” yardage argument … The Raiders averaged 379 yards per game in 2011. They have regressed very slightly to 358 yards per game in 2012.
The Raiders also had 296 first downs last season. They are on pace for a slightly fewer 283 in 2012.
On the points allowed side, the Raiders gave up 27 per game in 2011. They’re on pace to give up 4 more points per game at 31 this season. That said, the Raiders last three opponents are just as bad, if not worse, at scoring (SD slightly better, Carolina the same, KC worse). So there’s a pretty good chance they won’t stray too far from where they were last year. And that’s with a complete change in defensive philosophy.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So…..we regressed on Offense, defense, and STs.
Hire a new coaching staff.
December 8th, 2012 at 7:52 am
We have a better QB than JC, DMC played more games, but we are scoring less and getting less yards and 1st downs per game than last year?!
Great Job Titty Monkey aka DA.
December 8th, 2012 at 7:53 am
We hired a new defensive minded HC to help our defense, but we got worse?
PATHETIC!!
December 8th, 2012 at 8:06 am
So…..we regressed on Offense, defense, and STs.
Hire a new coaching staff.
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Abso-muthafuggin-lutely!!!
December 8th, 2012 at 8:09 am
FIRE REGGIE NOW!
December 8th, 2012 at 8:09 am
O,
All during the offseason we talked about it here. There was NO WAY we were gonna be worse on defense that we were last season. NO WAY that could happen; not with a def. minded HC and Bresnahan gone.
That was one thing I was absolutely sure of.
How could we possibly be worse than last yr.?
Well, here we are.
One of thse days the Raiders will exceed our expectations…in a GOOD way..right?
December 8th, 2012 at 8:14 am
I wish we sucked this bad last year.
December 8th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Raider O Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 7:52 am
We have a better QB than JC, DMC played more games, but we are scoring less and getting less yards and 1st downs per game than last year?!
Great Job Titty Monkey aka DA.
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What is this thing with Titty and Tits? WTF is that about!? LOL! I mean, people think he has tits, are people obsessed with that? WTF?!
December 8th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Does anyone know the exact number of drops our receivers, backs, and tight ends have this season?
December 8th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Anybody interested in the Monday night game?
Should the best game of the season so far
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Should be a good one. Maybe AFC title preview.
December 8th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Al’s Raiders beat the Texans last year.
Reggie’s Raiders have fallen a long way in a short period of time.
December 8th, 2012 at 8:31 am
One thing that’s been consistent this yr. is having a slooooow start on offense AND defense.
Always a 3 and out on offense and almost always giving up an early score on D.
It always appear the Raiders are just warming up at the start of games….”testing” the opposing defense to see their alignments, and their schemes with no real intention of actually scoring. They are gathering intel on the first drives.
Meanwhile, the opposing team gets about the business of scoring and putting us behind the 8 ball early.
December 8th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Al’s Raiders beat the Texans last year.
Reggie’s Raiders have fallen a long way in a short period of time.
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That game doesn’t count. It was the “Al game”, and u can’t count the game in SD since Palmer was playing in his back yard from his home in LaJolla, and the close games don’t count cuz we COULD’VE just as easily lost.
8-8 wasn’t really 8-8..for 2 straight years. You were seeing things.
The scoreboard was tricking us and the standings you see on ESPN or the newspaper is lying to us too.
It didn’t happen.
December 8th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Hue! Just win one more game last year and none of us are going through this! You blew it hue! You would have forced Reggie to keep you! No way they could have fired the first coach to take us to the playoffs in almost a decade!
Hue!
December 8th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 6:02 am
CP would have been great if we were a good team just lacking a QB
We lack everything everywhere and having a top QB is pointless. I would have rather run the ball and work on the zbs the last three games and let P play so everyone will shut up or he will shine and play him next year while we rebuild
Surely some team would give up a second for CP and maybe a fourth for dmac
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ok, say we get a 2nd for CP from the Jets
a fourth from DMAC from Atlanta
we trade down to the 9th spot, acquire an additional 3rd and next years 4th from the Detroit (who selects Bjorn Werner or Sam Montgomery)
1(9) Damontre Moore, DE, Tex A&M
2 (to Cincinnati in Palmer deal)
2(from Jets)(41) Kevin Minter,ILB, LSU or Ryan Nassib, QB , Syracuse
3 (64) Shane Skov, ILB, Ezekial Ansah, DE, BYU or DT Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
3(from Detroit) Stepfan Taylor, RB, Stanford or CB Micah Hyde, Iowa
4 Zeke Motta, FS, Notre Dame or Xavier Nixon, OT, Florida
4 (from Atlanta) Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA
5 (to Seattle in Curry deal)
6 Manase Foketi, OT, W.Texas A&M
7 Montori Hughes, DT, Tennesse-Martin
FA
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB
Alan Branch, DT
Will Svitek, OT
December 8th, 2012 at 8:47 am
8-8 wasn’t really 8-8..for 2 straight years. You were seeing things.
The scoreboard was tricking us and the standings you see on ESPN or the newspaper is lying to us too.
It didn’t happen.
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You’re right. 8-8 should have been better even with all the injuries. Plus the game that showed us what we were capable of, and a game very few teams have vs. a division rival: 59-14 in Denver 2 seasons ago.
December 8th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Al’s Raiders beat the Texans last year.
Reggie’s Raiders have fallen a long way in a short period of time.
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That was the slimmest of margins. They needed gadget plays to beat the Browns,,the Bears were without Jay Cutler, they squeaked by a rookie QB without Adrian Peterson in the Viking game.
its the culmination of several Al picks, bad free agents, and scholarship players. Not to mention coaching turnover, and inadequate assistants.
December 8th, 2012 at 8:49 am
You want to evaluate talent on this team? See what we’d for draft picks if we traded anyone to another team.
DHB?
D. Moore?
Hell even
Palmer
DMAC
We wouldn’t get much, and these guys are arguably our BEST Players.
We suck, we have mediocre players at best. Our HC, OC, and the DC our in WAY over their heads.
I ain’t got that kind of patience
December 8th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Dakota Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Hue! Just win one more game last year and none of us are going through this! You blew it hue! You would have forced Reggie to keep you! No way they could have fired the first coach to take us to the playoffs in almost a decade!
Hue!
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Jackson’s losing streak is what started this mess.
December 8th, 2012 at 8:50 am
I ain’t got that kind of patience
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The whiners are playing well. You could follow them..
December 8th, 2012 at 8:51 am
RaiderSam Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Al’s Raiders beat the Texans last year.
Reggie’s Raiders have fallen a long way in a short period of time.
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That was the slimmest of margins. They needed gadget plays to beat the Browns,,the Bears were without Jay Cutler, they squeaked by a rookie QB without Adrian Peterson in the Viking game.
its the culmination of several Al picks, bad free agents, and scholarship players. Not to mention coaching turnover, and inadequate assistants.
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This is exactly right. The news is out: the cup board is bare around here. This is going to require a complete rebuild. Like it or not.
December 8th, 2012 at 8:56 am
A win is a win in the NFL.
You are what your record says you are.
The Raiders were 8-8 for two straight seasons before Reggie arrived.
December 8th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 8:50 am
I ain’t got that kind of patience
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The whiners are playing well. You could follow them..
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My point is they could do stuff to make it faster yet they aren’t. Not now, but before the season started.
First step would be is to NOT give Knapp a job.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:00 am
I’m reposting this cuz i put alot of effort into it yesterday and i invite feedback if it’s full of crap or not.
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ST. LOUIS RAMS- Their situation is very similar to ours…I hope.
Two yr’s ago they were 7-9 and on the rise. Last yr. they go 2-14..in the crapper.
This yr.? 5-6-1 and rising… coming off a HUGE WIN against SF.
Here’s how they did it.
They bring in Jeff Fisher as HC = SOLID.
They trade their 2nd pick on the draft for two later 1st rd. picks and a #1 next yr. and another #1 the next.
Hmmmmm.
For their draft, they picked up DT Michael Brockers-LSU with the 14th pick in 1st rd.- Immediate impact.
Then Janoris Jenkins…starting impact CB..also Trumaine Johnson who’s getting rave reviews as the opposite starting corner.
They needed a deep threat for Bradford. Enter 4th rounder Chris Givens averaging over 27 ypcatch.
So far those are your IMPACT 1ST YR. STARTERS FROM THE DRAFT.
In FREE AGENCY they pick up solid starting center Scott Wells from GB, DB Cortland Finnegan from Tennessee (5 yr. 50 mill.), LB Jo Lonn Dunbar who is better than anything we have currently. DE William Hayes-Solid, servicable DE, and from Miami they acquire DE Kendall Langford (4 yr’s 24 mill.) who has been a boon to the Rams def. line.
In all the Rams dumped 24 players from their 2-14 roster who are no longer even in the league at present.
So…a 2-14 team coming off a previous 7-9 campaign (sound familiar?) REBUILT IN ONE OFFSEASON to the point of now being viable playoff contender and getting better every week. COMPETITIVE. RELEVANT.
THIS is a blueprint Reggie can follow.
It CAN be done.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Raiderbuck Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 8:50 am
I ain’t got that kind of patience
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The whiners are playing well. You could follow them..
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My point is they could do stuff to make it faster yet they aren’t. Not now, but before the season started.
First step would be is to NOT give Knapp a job.
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There were some bloated contracts here. Routt was not worth $10mm. We REALLY miss Wimbley, but he was not worth $12mm. We miss Mike Bush, but he is not worth $7mm. That’s almost $30mm right there in those three players. We needed those guys but we needed the $30mm even more. And there is going to be some more paring of the dead wood.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:05 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 8:09 am
O,
All during the offseason we talked about it here. There was NO WAY we were gonna be worse on defense that we were last season. NO WAY that could happen; not with a def. minded HC and Bresnahan gone.
That was one thing I was absolutely sure of.
How could we possibly be worse than last yr.?
Well, here we are.
One of thse days the Raiders will exceed our expectations…in a GOOD way..right?
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Same here. I expected our offense to regress after we hired Knapp, but I thought hiring DA, Firing Chuck, and Al not being around will do wonders to our defense.
That’s why I’m not sold on DA who is supposedly a defensive minded coach.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:05 am
I don’t think we have a shot at getting STUD Oline or Dline cats in FA. Teams don’t let good players at those positions hit FA.
HAVE to draft these positions high.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:06 am
If you had looked at the 2-14 Rams coming into the season the word 3-5 yr. REBUILD was what would be expected.
Last wk they beat a team that was arguably the best in the NFC and really should have swept them this yr.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:06 am
The Raiders scraped and clawed and finally fought their way out of the rubble of the Jamarcus disaster to get to 8-8.
Those Raider teams overcame all of the obstacles that the current regime is using for excuses.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:07 am
but I thought hiring DA, Firing Chuck, and Al not being around will do wonders to our defense.
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Wonders???
Could you define that?
December 8th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Yeah we talked ourselves right in to bekieving all we had to do was improve the D and we would be fine.
Bou were we off.
In my dream last night we traded CP for a 2nd round pick, Gruden came to coach and we some how ended up with Alex smith and Pryor competing for the number 1 QB job..
At least it wasn’t a nightmare like the current season is.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Rams hired a proven head coach.
Reggie did not follow the blueprint.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:09 am
fought their way out of the rubble of the Jamarcus disaster to get to 8-8.
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We are now in the middle of the Palmer disaster.
Those Raider teams never had to deal with this mess.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:10 am
RaiderSam Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Raider O Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 7:52 am
We have a better QB than JC, DMC played more games, but we are scoring less and getting less yards and 1st downs per game than last year?!
Great Job Titty Monkey aka DA.
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What is this thing with Titty and Tits? WTF is that about!? LOL! I mean, people think he has tits, are people obsessed with that? WTF?!
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I didn’t notice his tits, but one of the posters here (RM99) swears DA has tits. I think it’s funny and I have to distinguish my monkeys.
Cable: Fat Monkey
Kittin: spoiled little brat monkey
Chuck (DC): Drunk Nudist Monkey
DA: Titty Monkey
December 8th, 2012 at 9:10 am
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 9:05 am
I don’t think we have a shot at getting STUD Oline or Dline cats in FA. Teams don’t let good players at those positions hit FA.
HAVE to draft these positions high.
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We could get lucky and find a team like we were who has to make tuff decisions due to salary cap issues.
What you said is exaclty why I thought we should have at least tried to get Babin.
I don’t know what Reggie expects to find. Pass rush is an obvious glaring need…DA even said so publicly and then Babin comes around and “we aren’t interested”.
I guess Reggie is holding out for a 22 yr. old with 30 sacks….who comes cheap too.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:12 am
THIS is a blueprint Reggie can follow.
It CAN be done.
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Again, look at who they have: Sam Bradford an all around #1 at Q, who they are so pleased with they gave up the rights to RGIII. They have three number ones on their Dline in Chris Long, Robert Quinn and now Brockers who all have played well. They have Laurinaitis as their starting MLB who is also a good player.
We had Jamarcus Russell and overall #1 bust. We have mcLame a #8 bust. We have McFadden an overall # 4 bust. DHB is adequate but certainly not great. We didn’t have a lst rounder last year. That is a big difference between them and us right there.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:13 am
So all the haters of Al’s defense couldn’t have been wrong, eh?
HAS to be the new guy, lol.
Maybe we simply needed BETTER PLAYERS to run Al’s defense the same way we need BETTER PLAYERS to run the new defense.
We have the WORST LB GROUP in the division.
WORST safeties in Branch and Gio.
Corners have been hurt for TWO YEARS!!!!
What defense????!!!????
December 8th, 2012 at 9:14 am
J,
Wonders: Noun
A feeling of surprise mingled with admiration, caused by something beautiful, unexpected, unfamiliar, or inexplicable.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Nice point Mr. Bush
Does anyone know what we are on the hook for as far as Palmer goes?
How much if we get rid of him how much to keep him?
December 8th, 2012 at 9:17 am
No to players like Babin.
Philly, of all teams, cut this guy for lack of defensive discipline, right?
Free lancing.
Isn’t that the supposed problem with 55?
December 8th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Priesttj12 Says:
Al davis routinely hired no-named coaches he could push around…Not a single AD flunky has ever gone on the do well anywhere else. People do not follow or respect flunkies. Firing Allen is imperative.======
Derek Says:
These so-called flunkies have done extremely well. Shanahan, Gruden, Kiffin, Norv Turner. And a ton of assistants have left here to become HC’s Fassel, Steve Sarkisian, Fox, David Shaw, Jim Harbaugh and tons more that I cannot think of at the time. Madden and Flores Art Shell Gruden and Hue Jackson were far from Flunkies in fact that is a stupid statement as far as I’m concerned you obviously didn’t think it thru.============================================
Derek is very polite.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:19 am
I was looking for a team that is in similar situation as we are and the Rams turnaround is a great example of how it can be done.
They dumped 24 guys who aren’t even the league now and they are definitely on the rise after good decisions regarding FA and a good draft of guys making immediate impact.
If Reggie is as good as advertised things can be done to turn this thing around quickly.
My point was it can be done.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Derek as an idiot who is a top 1% income owning business owner (according to him).
Still LOL
You Monkeys are funny.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:21 am
A feeling of surprise mingled with admiration, caused by something beautiful, unexpected, unfamiliar, or inexplicable.
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Surprise?
Unexpected?
Inexplicable?????
So our players stink and you expected the coaching staff to do surprising, unexpected, inexplicable things???
LMFAO
December 8th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Coaching develops talent.
Jeff Fisher deserves some credit.
Reggie fired Hue and hired DA/Knapp.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:24 am
I think we will see some turnover with the assets, no doubt.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:27 am
assistants
December 8th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Hue’s Raiders had swagger.
Reggie neutered them.
Meow.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Surprise: doing better with the same level of talent.
Unexpected: exceeding expectations.
Inexplicable: top 15 defense.
I expected the coaching staff to be more creative especially on defense since DA is a defensive minded coach.
Anything else I can help you with today?
December 8th, 2012 at 9:37 am
DJ and Jhill
It seems like the 3 of us are realistic in what can and will be done regarding roster upgrades.
It seems like we are also realistic that continuing a coaching carousel is pointless and will lead to more losing. The problem is talent not coaching.
I have followed the Raiders since the 60’s and I have seen the patterns that lead to our success (and unfortunately-10 years of failure).
The draft is where you build your core. The lines are what are critical to any teams success and you will not find franchise type lineman in free agency. You will get Barnes, Slaughter, Tollefson, Carter, Sands, Kelly, Seymour etc. Guys with substantial limitations usually due to health issues that result in poor value relative to salary demands.
Free agency should be used for niche pieces or even QB’s. When your line wins the battle everyone else performs better.(Looking back- Plunkett became a two time Super Bowl winner when he finally had a team around him. He never had that with the Pats or Niners. The Raider reclamation success was due to its line strength; not coaching, Mr Davis or Raider mystique).
I know that Gannon was a free agent and I know those situations come along once in a while. (The Chiefs had to make a choice between Grbac and Gannon and they chose wrong).
There are no guarantees with the draft or Free agents. The percenatges are much higher however in the draft.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:38 am
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 9:21 am
A feeling of surprise mingled with admiration, caused by something beautiful, unexpected, unfamiliar, or inexplicable.
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Surprise?
Unexpected?
Inexplicable?????
So our players stink and you expected the coaching staff to do surprising, unexpected, inexplicable things???
LMFAO
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What’s so funny?
Me expecting better results than Chuck or you needing help to define wonders?
December 8th, 2012 at 9:42 am
• Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te’o: NFL scouts love his will, passion, desire and intangibles. They are curious how Te’o, who dropped about 15 pounds before his senior year, had no interceptions entering this season but has seven this season. They believe he’s very good, just not elite. But they say if former Boston College linebacker Luke Kuechly was good enough to go ninth overall in last April’s draft, then Te’o should be good enough to be selected somewhere between Nos. 10 and 15, especially considering that he is a three-down linebacker.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:45 am
O,
You are trying to distract us with attempts at humor.
Distractions are only needed when your argument is lacking.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:46 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
Does anyone know what we are on the hook for as far as Palmer goes?
How much if we get rid of him how much to keep him?===
I’m still supporting Palmer, so I’d say we’d be on the hook for next season. Lionheart is not the answer even if Knapp is still here. Spending one of our top 3 picks in the draft on a QB instead of O or D linemen sure wouldn’t help next year. Don’t see a free agent worth a crap except maybe Alex Smith for whom an arguement could be made, but not by me. I don’t like him. The unrealistic best scenario for Pryor is him showing enough now and during off season and pre season to go with him as #1 next year. Realistically, he shows enough to groom and learn for one more year and start the following year with Palmer taking it easy as #2. If they decide Pryor doesn’t have it, then I don’t know where Palmers’ successor comes from; 2013 draft, 2014 draft,or free agency. So I see Palmer here at least one more year, and I hope for 2 or more despite his performance lately. It’s just not all or even mostly Palmers’ fault.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:47 am
High draft picks have no value under the wrong GM.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:50 am
You need a coach to come in and do “wonders”????
Wonders means something was super plugged up.
Scheme/DC or players.
A lot of folks seemed to think it was Al related. Maybe you guys were wrong?
December 8th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Palmer will get 1 more year with a new coaching staff and their system. See how much Pryor has improved in the upcomeing preseason. Im content letting him sit and watch for awhile.I’m sure if he proves something in practice he will get a shot.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:53 am
J,
Are you easily distracted?
Who is US?
You are the only who needed help defining wonders.
My argument since its too difficult for you to understand: I expected more especially on defense since we hired a defensive minded coach, and I thought Chuck was the worst DC in the league.
Not too complicated, or do you need more help?
December 8th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Amazing to me that you have people wanting to take a ILB with a top 5 pick when we are about to cut the same type of pick.
ONE good year from this kid after losing weight????
PASS!!!!!
December 8th, 2012 at 9:53 am
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/police-man-may-have-jumped-from-upper-deck-at-raiders-game-120712
He couldn’t stand it either!
December 8th, 2012 at 9:53 am
still no mention of DAs firing? this is getting as bad as corks inability to work…
December 8th, 2012 at 9:54 am
You are the only who needed help defining wonders.
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Go smoke a bowl man.
My goodness.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Raider O Says:
Derek as an idiot who is a top 1% income owning business owner (according to him).
Still LOL
You Monkeys are funny.===================================
Another poster made a similar claim. Actually, I think he had 4 successful businesses and an IQ over 175 and was or is a football (not pro) coach and I don’t remember what else. This wasn’t all disclosed in one post, of course, but over the course of less than a month during different, uhhh, animated discussions. We have some truly amazing people spending an inordinate amount of time on our humble blog, don’t we?
December 8th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Fans need to be bembarding Mark’s office right now with “we want Gruden” messages.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:56 am
No one ever jumped off the roof when Al was here.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:56 am
since its too difficult for you to understand:
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
You want to talk or do you want to keep playing those games?
December 8th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Go smoke a bowl man.
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Good idea.
December 8th, 2012 at 9:57 am
994.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 9:56 am
No one ever jumped off the roof when Al was here.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
I agree.As soon as they fire bottom lip the better off we will be.
December 8th, 2012 at 10:00 am
A feeling of surprise mingled with admiration, caused by something beautiful, unexpected, unfamiliar, or inexplicable.=====================================
Not inconceivable? Damm, I wanted to use my Inigo Montoya quote.
December 8th, 2012 at 10:02 am
RAIDER NATION DVR ALERT
Set your recorders tonight at 9pmEST for the BO JACKSON ESPN 30-30 documentary
December 8th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Raiderbuck Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 9:42 am
• Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te’o: NFL scouts love his will, passion, desire and intangibles. They are curious how Te’o, who dropped about 15 pounds before his senior year, had no interceptions entering this season but has seven this season. They believe he’s very good, just not elite. But they say if former Boston College linebacker Luke Kuechly was good enough to go ninth overall in last April’s draft, then Te’o should be good enough to be selected somewhere between Nos. 10 and 15, especially considering that he is a three-down linebacker.
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ND fan here.
I would probably be OK with the decision to draft Te’o if we trade down and he’s there in the 10 to 15 range. Probably wouldn’t take him in the top 5 though.
Pass rusher is by far the biggest need. I really need to study the top prospects there to see which one is best.
Also, I like Veldheer at LT, but I’m a big proponent of having a dominant o-line. If the pass rushers are just so-so I could live with going o-line since we really need three new starters there to accompany Veldheer and Wiz.
December 8th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Agreed, Chris.
Von Miller type would be an easy choice at #1.
But we certainly need 3 starters on that Oline.
I think Reggie is pretty happy with Kelly, Houston, and Bryant up front. Plus he just drafted Bilikudi, so I don’t see us taking Star or Jenkins at NT.
I’m leaning towards OL this year with the draft. Especially if we can get the best OL prospect in the draft.
December 8th, 2012 at 10:09 am
wide receiver is the only position that we do not need to worry about next year. Jacoby will be back next year as well
December 8th, 2012 at 10:12 am
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 9:56 am
since its too difficult for you to understand:
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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I guess my “attempts at humor) is working?
December 8th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 9:53 am
still no mention of DAs firing? this is getting as bad as corks inability to work…
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Why would Cork “mention” an imaginary event?
December 8th, 2012 at 10:15 am
I want DE D Moore or trade down and draft CB Xavier Rhodes. I dint think J Jones is Tge next V Miller.
December 8th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Don’t*
The*
December 8th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I guess my “attempts at humor) is working?
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LOL
I guess so.
December 8th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Whether or not you think DA can eventually be a good coach, the dilemna facing Mark and the Raiders right now is this: How long are you willing to wait to find out?
How many seasons will you commit to the guy no matter what. How many half-empty stadiums? How much fan anger and apathy can you endure?
Because the Raiders are going to have cap room to make major moves starting this off-season. Between that and the draft, we need to be 100 percent sure who our coaching staff is going to be, so we acquire players to match scheme and philosophy. Otherwise, we risk wasting another round of draft picks and free agent acquisitions trying to fit one staff’s vision and then having to scrap that and start over again if we fire Dennis Allen in the middle of the 2013 season.
If McKenzie really believed we were going to struggle for a couple of years, he was beyond foolish to hire a rookie head coach with no track record to buy him time. How could you expect the Raiders fanbase, after all the years of double-digit losses, to not revolt on a completely unproven one-year Denver Broncos coordinator who is incapable of communicating a single sincere, worthwhile thought.
So going into the offseason, Mark and Reggie need to decide if Dennis Allen is their guy for 2013, 2014 and 2015 and if they’re willing to endure a prolonged fan revolt if we’re not a winning team next year and go into 2014.
December 8th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Raider O Says:
Derek as an idiot who is a top 1% income owning business owner (according to him).
Still LOL
You Monkeys are funny.===================================
Another poster made a similar claim. Actually, I think he had 4 successful businesses and an IQ over 175 and was or is a football (not pro) coach and I don’t remember what else. This wasn’t all disclosed in one post, of course, but over the course of less than a month during different, uhhh, animated discussions. We have some truly amazing people spending an inordinate amount of time on our humble blog, don’t we?
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We do.
LOL
December 8th, 2012 at 10:26 am
I’m not feeling J Jones either.
Watched my first Georgia game recently and dude looked like a S. We can’t afford to take that risk, imo.
I don’t think I’m going to attach myself to any particular player this offseason. I’m going to stick with position. OL is a MUST in rd 1.
I just don’t see how we can pass on the best OL prospecting the draft.
December 8th, 2012 at 10:29 am
The only thing DA news to do is bring in another play caller.
If there are any plans for Pryor, Knapp and DeFillipo need to stick around in some capacity, wouldn’t you say?
December 8th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Palmer …..
17 million next year.
Think he’ll restructure?
December 8th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Trade down and get a 2nd.
1- CB Xavier Rhodes
2- LB Alec Olgetree
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- RB Michael Dyer
December 8th, 2012 at 10:41 am
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 10:26 am
I’m not feeling J Jones either.
Watched my first Georgia game recently and dude looked like a S. We can’t afford to take that risk, imo.
I don’t think I’m going to attach myself to any particular player this offseason. I’m going to stick with position. OL is a MUST in rd 1.
I just don’t see how we can pass on the best OL prospecting the draft.
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Because we implemted the ZBS, we can find players in later rounds or FA.
We need a starting CB and a pass rusher.
December 8th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Knapp can stay as a QB coach. We need a new OC.
December 8th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Adams play against Manning Thursday pretty much assured him one of the starting CB spots. I’d like to see us spend some real coin on a FA CB to start opposite him.
Don’t believe that ZBS myth that you can get by with later round guys. There is no such thing as ZBS pass blocking.
December 8th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Just don’t see anyway in he!! that Briesel see the 2nd year of his contract.
Carlisle will retire.
Barnes will be a year older.
OL in rd 1
December 8th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Can’t wait for the end of the season.
Yes on Gruden for HC only.
December 8th, 2012 at 10:57 am
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Just don’t see anyway in he!! that Briesel see the 2nd year of his contract.
Carlisle will retire.
Barnes will be a year older.
OL in rd 1
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This Reggime showed Satele the door and brought in Brisiel. Pray tell, what gems are in store for us next year?
December 8th, 2012 at 10:59 am
That’s another thing, Adams can ball why didn’t the coaches see that?
Now I realize that he’s not had many games, but it seems he’s a diamond in the rough. With all our Secondary issues this year some one should have caught on.
I have real issues with talent evaluation at the Raiders and it’s been going on for years and years.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Raiderbuck Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 10:59 am
That’s another thing, Adams can ball why didn’t the coaches see that?
Now I realize that he’s not had many games, but it seems he’s a diamond in the rough. With all our Secondary issues this year some one should have caught on.
I have real issues with talent evaluation at the Raiders and it’s been going on for years and years.
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Keep in mind, we played more man Thur than usual. Maybe they couldn’t tell he had the skills in that crap zone they play. Still, I agree with you.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:04 am
That zone is awful, man they are just WIDE OPEN! I get so mad sometimes that I don’t see the details
December 8th, 2012 at 11:07 am
- Adams had one good game and you think he is assured a starting CB spot?!
I hope not bor. He needs to play well in the last 3 games before he should be “assured” a starting spot. Leon McFadden SDSU is a very talented guy. We need another starting CB (even if you think UFA Adams is going to be a starter next year), and its more coat effective to draft a CB than signing one in FA.
- I agree that we need OL but I don’t think we should draft G, C, or RT in the 1st.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Zone is awful because our players have a low football IQ, and we have no pass rush.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 6:28 am
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/group/14891
Don’t forget to join the bowl game pick em contest
password = aldavis
First game is coming up soon and there are only a few spots left
December 8th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Adams has been playing well since the Atl game.
Thursday’s game clinched it for me.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:13 am
The Regime did what it did because we had no first or second round picks.
We had Routt and Wimbley under ridiculous contracts.
We also had Kelly and Seymour under ridiculous contracts but we could not find any replacements on the dline BECAUSE TEAMS DO NOT LET GOOD LINEMAN GO AWAY IN FREE AGENCY OR VIA TRADE!!!!
(See Brisiel, Barnes, Sands, Joseph, Slaughter, Warren, Sapp etc.)
Why do you people criticize coaches and Reggie yet you recommend we keep doing the same things that got us into this mess in the first place?
We need a DT, DE, OT OG simply to become competitive.
THEY NEED TO BE FOUND IN THE DRAFT!!!!!
Carlisle, Barnes, Kelly and Seymour are gone.Perhaps Bergstrom can fill a spot but we have no Oline depth.
That is why I have been saying this is 3-5 years in the making.
If you think we will reconstruct this thing in 2013 you are setting yourself up for more dissappointment!!!
Not Happening. No Miracles on the horizon.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:14 am
1025.Plunketthead Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 6:28 am
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/group/14891
Don’t forget to join the bowl game pick em contest
password = aldavis
First game is coming up soon and there are only a few spots left
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I tried clicking that link on two seperate computers and all it says is “Error” and something else.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:18 am
The Regime did what it did because we had no first or second round picks.
We had Routt and Wimbley under ridiculous contracts.
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Interesting. We let a very reasonably priced Satele go and signed a pricier Brisiel because we had no 1st or 2nd round picks and had some ridiculous contracts? Huh? How does overpaying for a crap lineman fix our contract situation?
Lol. As O says, You People. SMH
December 8th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 9:56 am
No one ever jumped off the roof when Al was here.
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I don’t know why but that just cracked me up.
Thanks.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Streater Raiders’ MVP?
One could make an arguement for it.
Although a successful team does not build a franchise around a WR (ex: Fitzgerald, Moss).
Streater and Moore could become become best WR combo in the with the right quarterback.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Tied for worst record in the NFL after this week should
Kansas City and Jacksonville win.
We could have number one draft pick locked before final game against San Diego.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:36 am
1027.Charlie Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 11:13 am
The Regime did what it did because we had no first or second round picks.
We had Routt and Wimbley under ridiculous contracts.
We also had Kelly and Seymour under ridiculous contracts but we could not find any replacements on the dline BECAUSE TEAMS DO NOT LET GOOD LINEMAN GO AWAY IN FREE AGENCY OR VIA TRADE!!!!
(See Brisiel, Barnes, Sands, Joseph, Slaughter, Warren, Sapp etc.)
Why do you people criticize coaches and Reggie yet you recommend we keep doing the same things that got us into this mess in the first place?
We need a DT, DE, OT OG simply to become competitive.
THEY NEED TO BE FOUND IN THE DRAFT!!!!!
Carlisle, Barnes, Kelly and Seymour are gone.Perhaps Bergstrom can fill a spot but we have no Oline depth.
That is why I have been saying this is 3-5 years in the making.
If you think we will reconstruct this thing in 2013 you are setting yourself up for more dissappointment!!!
Not Happening. No Miracles on the horizon.
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I was pointing to the Rams as an example of how a 2-14 team can turn around in one offseason.
They are not SB caliber, but playoffs is a real possibility and I did research (that i outlined in an above post)as to how they did this.
When I say “turn around” I am referring to getting back to respectability and at least challenging
for the playoffs…9-7, 10-6, something like that.
Rams did it through the draft primarily with getting two starting corners in Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson…also the Brockers was part of the draft. They also picked up a wide receiver in Givens who is the deep threat they were lacking.
In addition to the draft picks they picked up a few free agents who are helping.
I believe they did this rebuild similar to the formula you espouse.
Nobody expected them to be where they are now. I think the consensus was 4-12…5-11 at best.
People say “well they have Bradford”. Well Bradford was also the qb on their 2-14 team.
I guess QB’s actually DO need a supporting cast. Hmmmmm.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:39 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Tied for worst record in the NFL after this week should
Kansas City and Jacksonville win.
We could have number one draft pick locked before final game against San Diego.
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The only thing that scks about that is that there is no clear cut number one draft pick this year….trade down if anyone bites!
December 8th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Al Davis, for as much criticism as he took, knew what he was doing on the defensive side of the ball. His problem was overpaying for marginal talent with speed, and not having a big gap plugging beast of a tackle.
Press man defense, if you have the DBs for it, gives your Dline more time to get to the QB. As it stands, receivers are running free in that wonderful zone of ours and our linemen have NO time to get to the QB. Or did you think our linemen bring one year older explains the 50% drop in production? Lol.
I’m not saying Al’s way was better. I’m just saying it had its merits. His issue was falling in love with speed and overpaying.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:40 am
1032.RaiderRetribution Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Tied for worst record in the NFL after this week should
Kansas City and Jacksonville win.
We could have number one draft pick locked before final game against San Diego.
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That’s the bright spot of a truly miserable season.
Last yr’s miserable 2-14 season was the jumpstart that is helping the Rams sniff the playoffs this yr.
Look at the Colts. If they don’t go 2-14 they don’t get a franchise qb who will be elite in short order.
We will have alot of pull in the draft with our high # 1 pick. We can do some things.
If we go 8-8 this yr….we remain stuck in football hell.
This miserable season may be the best thing that happened to this org going forward.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:41 am
problem with Raiders OLine is that we did a complete overhaul, yet only installed one new OLineman in Brisiel (lost one in Satele) [a wash as far as talent goes]; moved around our two guards; 100% completely and stubbornly changed schemed; lost our OLine assistant coach = lost our identity.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Raiders Reggie will make the correct draft choice with our number one pick whether it’s number 1 or number 15; could be anywhere in between still right now.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Raiders defeating Kansas City and San Diego, finishing .500 in division would be an excellent way to end the season.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Satele was “OK” and he was a FA.
How do you know what he was asking to return here, Banana?
Briesel will be cut this offseason and he won’t see much of that 20 million.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:55 am
LOL TBB.
December 8th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Satele was solid and dependable. Played hurt and did all that was asked of him, yet got little respect in here. We had a good oline with him at center and Wiz at guard. Why mess with that? Some of you defending the new powers would have been up in arms if we ruined that oline like we did this year with Al still around.
How much did Satele get from Indy, anyway?
Lol at 20 mill for Brisiel.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Satele brought his lunch Paul and simply went to work. True Raider right there, yet he wasn’t good enough for some of you people. You really do enjoy having the last ranked rushing O don’t you? SMH
December 8th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Suck for draft picks? It doesn’t rhyme at all!
December 8th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
*lunchpail
December 8th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
“Some of us”????
I OPENLY requested for Satele, Carlisle, and Barnes to be replaced.
I’m fine with Wiz at C. He’s been playing well.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Funny how Collin Klein is a nominee for the Heisman Trophy but yet…projected by many draft guru’s to be 6-7th rounder!
December 8th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Satele was a FREE AGENT who CHOSE to sign elsewhere.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Satele was in the middle of QBs constantly getting knocked outta games.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Satele brought his lunch Paul and simply went to work. True Raider right there, yet he wasn’t good enough for some of you people. You really do enjoy having the last ranked rushing O don’t you? SMH
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I said it all the time. In 2010-2011 he was our most consistent player on the OL, last year he was a great help to Wiz 2. I told people when we drafted Wiz 2 that he should be kept at OG because that’s what he played most effectively at PSU
December 8th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
And yes, Briesel is worse that Satele.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Satele was a FREE AGENT who CHOSE to sign elsewhere.
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We CHOSE not to bring him back, i recall him expressing desire to return. Aso was a free agent that CHOSE not to come back
December 8th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Wiz was drafted to play C.
It was announced as much when we drafted him.
Al Davis knew what he was doing!
December 8th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Al Davis thought so much of Satele that he tinkered with Veldheer at C.
It wasn’t “some of us” not respecting Satele, It was Al Davis.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Of the starters that we lost from last years team, how many of them would you have kept over the starters from this years team?
December 8th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Blaming this season on Al Davis is as disrespectful as it is false.
Al had the Raiders in first place when he died.
It has been all downhill since.
The franchise sorely misses Al’s leadership.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Of the starters that we lost from last years team, how many of them would you have kept over the starters from this years team?
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One or maybe two….Wimbley and Satele.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Wiz was drafted to play C.
It was announced as much when we drafted him.
Al Davis knew what he was doing!
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He was drafted to play C until we got to camp and Hue walked those comments back
December 8th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
R8eray Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Of the starters that we lost from last years team, how many of them would you have kept over the starters from this years team?
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One or maybe two….Wimbley and Satele.
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Satele I’m in total agreement with. So would take Wimbley over Wheeler?
December 8th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I can understand why Wimbley wasn’t brought back.
We can certainly argue that we could have cut Seymour instead, or maybe Huff.
But that could’ve open up a whole different can of worms.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I didn’t say Wheeler…Wimbley over Shaughnessy, Tollefson and Carter any day!!
December 8th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Dallas Cowboys defensive lineman Josh Brent was arrested in Texas early this morning on charges of intoxication manslaughter involving a car accident in which a teammate died … TMZ has learned.
Irving PD says Brent and a member of the team’s practice squad, Jerry Brown, were involved in a single car accident around 2:30 AM local time and that Brown died as a result.
According to police, Brent was driving at a high rate of speed when his car “hit the outside curb,” flipped over and came to rest in the middle of the road. Brent was responsive at the scene, but Brown was not. He was later pronounced dead at a nearby hospital.
Officers at the scene suspected alcohol to be a factor, so they gave Brent was given a field sobriety test, which he failed. He was arrested by Irving PD and booked on a second degree felony charge at 4:14 AM and is being held without bail.
Brent pled guilty to a misdemeanor DUI charge while in college.
The incident comes just one week after Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher killed his girlfriend and then himself.
Story developing ..
-TMZ
Wow!
December 8th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
R8eray Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I didn’t say Wheeler…Wimbley over Shaughnessy, Tollefson and Carter any day!!
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Wimbley was a LB and a nickel pass rusher….He is not an every down DE.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 11:14 am
1025.Plunketthead Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 6:28 am
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/group/14891
Don’t forget to join the bowl game pick em contest
password = aldavis
First game is coming up soon and there are only a few spots left
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I tried clicking that link on two seperate computers and all it says is “Error” and something else.
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I just tried it and it worked and others have signed up. try copy/paste in your browser and if you still have trouble I will try something else
December 8th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Wimbley was our OLB.
Played DE when ShoNicely got hurt.
Wheeler is a good comparison. 1/10th of the price too.
Wimbley should have been our OLB in a 3-4.
December 8th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
My point in asking this is the argument that the talent here is so much worse this year than last year. We had the same depth problems last year, except at RB. The only place where there has been a huge talent drop off from this year to last is the coaching staff.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raider O Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 10:41 am
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 10:26 am
I’m not feeling J Jones either.
Watched my first Georgia game recently and dude looked like a S. We can’t afford to take that risk, imo.
I don’t think I’m going to attach myself to any particular player this offseason. I’m going to stick with position. OL is a MUST in rd 1.
I just don’t see how we can pass on the best OL prospecting the draft.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Because we implemted the ZBS, we can find players in later rounds or FA.
We need a starting CB and a pass rusher.
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It’s amazing how many times this has to be posted, yet people still dont get it.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raider O Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Because we implemted the ZBS, we can find players in later rounds or FA.
We need a starting CB and a pass rusher.
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It’s amazing how many times this has to be posted, yet people still dont get it.
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That’s part of the ZBS’s beauty. You can get OLs and RBs in the lower rounds, thus preserving your high draft picks for LBs and DEs and what have you.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
We need a GREAT OT.
We are not going to find him in rd 4.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
yes – Coach456
no – Plunketthead
yes – Carl Weathers
yes – Oakfshow
yes – The Big Banana
undecided – RaiderRockStar
undecided – Kell
undecided – J Hill
undecided – Morrilla
49 – 14
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 8th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
We need a GREAT OT.
We are not going to find him in rd 4.
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We need another Lincoln Kennedy at RT
December 8th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
I’m even ok with trading down and drafting a OG around 15.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raider O Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Because we implemted the ZBS, we can find players in later rounds or FA.
We need a starting CB and a pass rusher.
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It’s amazing how many times this has to be posted, yet people still dont get it.
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That’s part of the ZBS’s beauty. You can get OLs and RBs in the lower rounds, thus preserving your high draft picks for LBs and DEs and what have you.
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Oh I know. Raider O has been correcting people on this since the offseason.
The ZBS is cheaper and easier to find guys for so you can save your money for the other positions.
It definitely has it’s merits. I just find it frustrating how many times it needs to be repeated.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
We need a GREAT OT.
We are not going to find him in rd 4.
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Veldheer has played well at LT. Barnes has been serviceable at RT. The interior of the lines is where the trouble lies, altho lately they have played better. While I am of the belief that you build on the lines, and I have advocated drafting that way, the highest priority this up coming draft has to be a pass rusher, followed by secondary help and then Oline.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
I could understand bringing Gruden back from a PR standpoint.
But I think finding quality talent should be the priority.
We need players more than we need a HC change, imo.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
I’m even ok with trading down and drafting a OG around 15.
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Whatever it is, they need to figure the fvck out what they are gong to do with Bergstrom and get on with it.
Bergstrom is supposedly a natural guard. So is Wiz 2.0
So in theory, our line should look like this
LT – Veldheer
LG – Wiz 2.0
C – Free Agent
RG – Bergstrom
RT – Draft
This shouldnt be so hard.
Then we gotta get a IMPACT DE, a true #1 CB, and a MLB in the draft and free agency.
A 4th ILB and a vet WR would be a bonus at this point. Bilikudi looks like he can play DT quite well with Bryant. Roll with those two and get a impact DT next year.
We have the draft picks and salary room to pull this off if we cut a lot of dead weight and trade some people:
- TK
- Seymore
- DMC
- Palmer
- Rolando
- Lechler
Thats a lot of salary cap being wasted on those guys right now. And I say that as a big fan of all of them but Rolando.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
I’m even ok with trading down and drafting a OG around 15.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The draft is about value.
We need a DE, CB, LB, NT,etc.., so drafting an OG with our 1st is a luxury we can’t afford especially since we use the ZBS and we can find players that fit our system in later rounds.
I don’t mind drafting interior OL in the 1st, but not when you have this many needs and lack impact players.
OGs are not impact players.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Al Atherley · Top Commenter · Boston State/UMass
I don’t know about a lot of things but I do know the Colts were bad last year and this year they got decent coaches and a rookie QB leading them into the play offs, Seattle ain’t doing to bad either nor the Rams. So Allen (who I like) can play the blame game if he wants, should of figured this crap out over the pre- season and the mini-camps like every other NFL coach. His first and biggest mistake was re hiring Knapp. He sucked before and sucks now as OC. You can keep Allen but get him a real D line coach inthe off season. How the hell we have less sacks as a team than one player across the bay. Pathetic.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
49 – 14
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
######################################
Everyone does realize that Gruden wants more then just head coach. He wants final say on all player decisions including draftday
December 8th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
LT – Veldheer
LG – Wiz 2.0
C – Free Agent
RG – Bergstrom
RT – Draft
$$$$$$$$$$$$
I think that’s the plan, but I worry about the 26 yo rookie who still can’t manage to impress our coaches enough to earn a starting spot on our weak OL.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
I could understand bringing Gruden back from a PR standpoint.
But I think finding quality talent should be the priority.
We need players more than we need a HC change, imo.
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Thank you. Vince Lombardi couldn’t win with what we have here if he had 12 guys playing on each unit. There are some pieces here and some guys that can be key backups but we need more. A lot more.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I just find it frustrating how many times it needs to be repeated.
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It doesn’t need to be repeated.
You can say it 1000 times, and a lot of us will still believe that you get better players in early rds.
I’d rather have a 1st rd OT than a 3rd or 4th rd OT.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
49 – 14
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
######################################
Everyone does realize that Gruden wants more then just head coach. He wants final say on all player decisions including draftday
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Yeah, we’re pretty well aware of that.
Most have weighed in their thoughts on that as well. We dont want him picking the players.
It would change a few votes to the “no” sides of things.
But I dont think it would sway the poll that much. For most of us, this is a emotional decision and it’s safe to say that if getting Gruden meant him having more control than we are comfortable giving, Raider fans would still support his return by a overwhelming margin.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
The other thing is the Gruden talk is totally counter productive. It’s distracting, it’s disrespectful, it changes the focus from trying to get better and seeing what we have here in the end to Gruden. Who ain’t coming here anyway and would be a disaster if he magically did.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
We could have signed Satele if we wanted to.
And don’t tell us what Al wanted when Satele was the starting center while Al was still with us. Whatever tinkering he and the coaches did, they realized Satele was our best option in the end.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I just find it frustrating how many times it needs to be repeated.
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It doesn’t need to be repeated.
You can say it 1000 times, and a lot of us will still believe that you get better players in early rds.
I’d rather have a 1st rd OT than a 3rd or 4th rd OT.
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But thats the beauty of a ZBS.
A 1st rd OT is no more valuable than a 3rd rounder in a ZBS.
It’s just a easier position to fill with the ZBS. The fact that we whiffed so hard on Briesel really is a outlier.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Look at the Texans who have a good OL. They drafted ONE OL in the 1st 2 rounds in the last decade.
You know why?
December 8th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
yes – Coach456
no – Plunketthead
yes – Carl Weathers
yes – Oakfshow
yes – The Big Banana
no – Seymour Bush
undecided – RaiderRockStar
undecided – Kell
undecided – J Hill
undecided – Morrilla
49 – 15
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 8th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
eff Danus allen bring in anybody to take his place…effn loser.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Jhill is right you can get O linemen later in the draft because of the zbs but they will be mediocore athletes.
I want a young pocket passer who will lead the team, pass first, scramble last and be around for 6 years or more. He has to stay healthy so I want good linemen that can zbs and Pbs.
Its a passhappy league and becoming more so. Scramblers are more likely to ride the bench. I want a pocket passer. Untill we find one, build those lines and learn to run the ball.
(please, I hope we don’t go to a scrambler who throws will never measure up.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
That some of us still need to plead Satele’s case in here is amazing.
The ability to admit when you’re wrong is a healthy trait, folks. Try it some time.
Some of you can sling propaganda in a way that would make some of our top politicians blush. SMH
December 8th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes
Come on Jon – save our team..
December 8th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
The other thing is the Gruden talk is totally counter productive. It’s distracting, it’s disrespectful, it changes the focus from trying to get better and seeing what we have here in the end to Gruden. Who ain’t coming here anyway and would be a disaster if he magically did.
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Nice post It undermines all the hard work Reg and Da have put in. Mark looks to become a meddlesome owner who does not jackscat
December 8th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Raider O Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
LT – Veldheer
LG – Wiz 2.0
C – Free Agent
RG – Bergstrom
RT – Draft
$$$$$$$$$$$$
I think that’s the plan, but I worry about the 26 yo rookie who still can’t manage to impress our coaches enough to earn a starting spot on our weak OL.
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Yes, it should worry us.
But then again, this is the same staff that has Pryor buried on the bench in meaningless games.
Bergstrom is one of “their guys” and he still doesnt see playing time. So scratch the whole “they dont like Al’s guys” rhetoric.
Maybe Bergstrom and Pryor just arent good enough. We’re not at practice, we dont see what they see so who knows.
But like you said, it should worry us that he’s not getting played more. Veldheer and Wiz didnt need a whole season to get on the field.
Ive defended this staff a lot. But I really dont understand why the young guys arent getting the playing time since the season is toast anyways. IT MAKES ZERO SENSE!
December 8th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
“In one of the few developments that could make the Oakland Raiders an interesting team to watch…”
more embarresment from pft…thanks reggie mcdvmbaszs
December 8th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
I would have kept WIMBLEY over SEYMOUR (I never play but still get paid 15 million) Aaron Curry , HUFF
December 8th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
yes – Coach456
no – Plunketthead
yes – Carl Weathers
yes – Oakfshow
yes – The Big Banana
no – Seymour Bush
yes – Kiwi_Blade
undecided – RaiderRockStar
undecided – Kell
undecided – J Hill
undecided – Morrilla
49 – 15
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 8th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Al Atherley · Top Commenter · Boston State/UMass
I don’t know about a lot of things but I do know the Colts were bad last year and this year they got decent coaches and a rookie QB leading them into the play offs, Seattle ain’t doing to bad either nor the Rams. So Allen (who I like) can play the blame game if he wants, should of figured this crap out over the pre- season and the mini-camps like every other NFL coach. His first and biggest mistake was re hiring Knapp. He sucked before and sucks now as OC. You can keep Allen but get him a real D line coach inthe off season. How the hell we have less sacks as a team than one player across the bay. Pathetic.
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Idiotic post. lst off, it’s not like Indy changed coaches, put in Andrew Luck, and went from 2-14 to 8-4. That team was 10-6 two years ago. There were some players on that team somewhere. Our team has been dismal for a decade. When you are dismal for a decade you probably DON’T HAVE players somewhere. And there is a reason that one of the Whiners players has more than our entire team. And that’s because they have three or four pro bowl players ON THEIR DLINE ALONE! We don’t. Again you can bring in Bill Bellichik, Bud Carson and Jim Washburn and they are not going to turn this team into 14-2 winners in three weeks because of “coaching”. You know why? Because we don’t have the horses, that’s why!
December 8th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Sorry, it should say 50-15
December 8th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Jhill is right you can get O linemen later in the draft because of the zbs but they will be mediocore athletes.
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He is not. The Texans have a good OL and they found OL in later rounds. They drafted ONE OL in the 1st 2 rounds in the last decade.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
yes – Coach456
no – Plunketthead
yes – Carl Weathers
yes – Oakfshow
yes – The Big Banana
no – Seymour Bush
yes – Kiwi_Blade
undecided – RaiderRockStar
undecided – Kell
undecided – J Hill
undecided – Morrilla
50 – 15
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 8th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Look at the Texans who have a good OL. They drafted ONE OL in the 1st 2 rounds in the last decade.
You know why?
I do. Because they have drafted for the last 6 years for mostly one thing and mostly one thing only and that was to stop frankenmanning.
hey reasoned in order to win the division they had to stop peyton. I remember reading many articles stating this. It was why they drafted marioWilliams? over reggie bush or vince young
December 8th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
My rock solid Alameda source who has never ever mislead me broke the news to me today,..in a phone call, didnt want it in a text, DM, or email,…Jon Gruden is NOT coming back here,…so whomever is operating that futile poll, move on man,…I wish I had better news,…sorry.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Reggie will tak the next Bergstrom in round 1.
Hopefully Gruden gets hired and forgets the ZBS
December 8th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
“My point in asking this is the argument that the talent here is so much worse this year than last year. We had the same depth problems last year, except at RB. The only place where there has been a huge talent drop off from this year to last is the coaching staff.”
1) Secondary: totally depleted by injuries, Huff playing out of position
2) Wimbley let go for money reasons (had to be done)–no player who could pass rush left
3) Seymour a year older and even more gimpy than in the previous seasons–basically unable to perform
4) A receiving corps, still young but “talented”, always hurt…the receivers who worked out with Palmer all summer and at the beginning of training camp, out
Basically, the number of injuries and their timing have led to lack of defensive and offensive cohesiveness. This would be hard for a talented team and one in which the pieces had played together for years, but devastating to a mediocre team, and one in which the pieces were new or reshuffled.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
But then again, this is the same staff that has Pryor buried on the bench in meaningless games.
Bergstrom is one of “their guys” and he still doesnt see playing time. So scratch the whole “they dont like Al’s guys” rhetoric.
Maybe Bergstrom and Pryor just arent good enough. We’re not at practice, we dont see what they see so who knows.
But like you said, it should worry us that he’s not getting played more. Veldheer and Wiz didnt need a whole season to get on the field.
Ive defended this staff a lot. But I really dont understand why the young guys arent getting the playing time since the season is toast anyways. IT MAKES ZERO SENSE!
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Excellent post. WTF is this staff doing? We are 3-10. It’s time to evaluate the young talent on the roster including the PS.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
49 – 14
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
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Everyone does realize that Gruden wants more then just head coach. He wants final say on all player decisions including draftday
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Plunk
No offense but how the hell do you know what he wants?
The “RUMOR” doesn’t even say this so how the FVCK do you know?
December 8th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
My rock solid Alameda source who has never ever mislead me broke the news to me today,..in a phone call, didnt want it in a text, DM, or email,…Jon Gruden is NOT coming back here,…so whomever is operating that futile poll, move on man,…I wish I had better news,…sorry.
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Well that sucks. DAMMIT.
My weekend is shot.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
I do have decent news though riff,..if ya want it.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Of course I do.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
My rock solid Alameda source who has never ever mislead me broke the news to me today,..in a phone call, didnt want it in a text, DM, or email,…Jon Gruden is NOT coming back here,…so whomever is operating that futile poll, move on man,…I wish I had better news,…sorry.
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I said that a week ago. Why don’t we all latch onto some other idiotic rumour like Brett Favre is coming here!
December 8th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
i dont give a rats aszs who comes here…just do long as DA gets a swift kick in the asz…
December 8th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Tell me Pryor is going to start the final 3 games…that would be good news.
Decent news…. would be that he’s starting the final two.
More horrible news would be that he might play the last game.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Thats funny my source works in the Raider building and Mark is still having on going talks with Jon grudens reps.
Plus hub arkush last night said they are still talking. We wont know till 2 weeks after the season. Hub believes all the talks have gone underground and only Mark / Jon and his reps know.
Everyone in the Raider building has been put on noitce to crush any rumor of jon coming out of respect to DA. Marks mom carol who is a big influence is pushing Mark to bring back Gruden. Right now I would be suprised if Mark is letting everyone in the bulding know that Jon isnt coming while serectly working on something.
Remember alot of the guys in the building are “DA” guys too
December 8th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
In January there will be a lease extension announcement,..three years. So the team will be playing for sure through the 2016 season. And She is working extremely hard to secure a new Oakland stadium during that time. So, no Jon, which crushes me, but no immidiate threat of leaving Oakland either. Have faith in Reggie to improve the roster and DA hopefully learns to be a good HC,…I will once again talk to Reggie on the sidelines for KC,…but not about Gruden.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Im still gonna cling to the futile hope that your “rock solid” source is wrong.
Hub has put his whole career on the line with this thing. The Raiders denied it. Ric Bucher confirmed it. And now Papa and Gannon are petitioning for it.
I still believe.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Unless they believe in unicorns, why would someone believe this team, struggling with all kinds of money issues, go after a one-time coach who would command, or try to command top dollar?
I am no Jon Gruden hater, believe me, but when I look at his record in the NFL, the best I can say about him is “effective”. Then, I look more closely at this record with the Raiders and their talented team and his post-Super Bowl record with Tampa and say, “Effective, but I wonder if he’s been given a pass by Raider fans because he’s been judged up against a whole host of other bad Al choices? What happened in Tampa, after that SB a year after Dungy left?”
I never come up with “Great.”
However, even if Gruden were great, how’d you like to sacrifice the money it will take to sign decent free agents and high draft choices for the next few years for Gruden? Do you trust that Gruden can take lemons and make champagne? I don’t think any coach can.
Might we have 4 or 5 wins with Gruden as coach right now? Maybe, maybe not, but even if the answer is “yes” that wouldn’t satisfy me.
We need players.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Thats funny my source works in the Raider building and Mark is still having on going talks with Jon grudens reps.
Plus hub arkush last night said they are still talking. We wont know till 2 weeks after the season. Hub believes all the talks have gone underground and only Mark / Jon and his reps know.
Everyone in the Raider building has been put on noitce to crush any rumor of jon coming out of respect to DA. Marks mom carol who is a big influence is pushing Mark to bring back Gruden. Right now I would be suprised if Mark is letting everyone in the bulding know that Jon isnt coming while serectly working on something.
Remember alot of the guys in the building are “DA” guys too
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No offense Bob. I know youre credible.
But Im still going to cling to the hope that he comes home.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Raider O Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
But then again, this is the same staff that has Pryor buried on the bench in meaningless games.
Bergstrom is one of “their guys” and he still doesnt see playing time. So scratch the whole “they dont like Al’s guys” rhetoric.
Maybe Bergstrom and Pryor just arent good enough. We’re not at practice, we dont see what they see so who knows.
But like you said, it should worry us that he’s not getting played more. Veldheer and Wiz didnt need a whole season to get on the field.
Ive defended this staff a lot. But I really dont understand why the young guys arent getting the playing time since the season is toast anyways. IT MAKES ZERO SENSE!
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Excellent post. WTF is this staff doing? We are 3-10. It’s time to evaluate the young talent on the roster including the PS.
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How you guys don’t understand this is beyond me. This is PROFESSIONAL football. The job of the team is to win games. Not look at players just to look at players. That’s what the preseason and practice is for. If the coaching staff put out a bunch of players that aren’t as good or ready as the ones we have already, it would look AWFUL out there and the fans are already in full revolt. Just imagine what would happen then.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Either way its 50 / 50 at this point. DA will need to win 2/3 down the stretch.
Btw Chargers are gonna make a big push for Gruden after AJ SMITH/ NOrve are gone
December 8th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
I do have decent news though riff,..if ya want it.
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We are all eyes, Bob. Post away.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Hub Arkush is just your typical sht stirring Joo that does this to get groups of people in an uproar,..throughout time that rat tribe has done this…so dont believe anything that MF says,…too bad it wasnt a different era now, he would get to the front of the line for the human pizza ovens.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
I already did Banana.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Mark was highly embarassed the story got out this week with DA dealing with what he has been.
but like i said Alot of the guy in the building now have allegiance to DA and are crushing any rumors. Mark has let it be known to do so out of respect for DA.. but Gruden is pushing hard to come back.
believe it are not Terrelle Pryor is an intriguing part in this. JON wants a young qb to coach in the likes of Kapernick, Rg3, Russell wilson and like Greg Papa said.. is in love with Pryor
December 8th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Wiz is not a problem at C and will only get better. No need to switch his position again.
Since we are playing fantasy GM, lol
Switch to the 3-4.
DE – Houston
DE – Bryant
NT -
OLB – Burris
ILB – 55
ILB – Wheeler
OLB –
CB – Adams
CB – FA
FS – Ross
SS – Branch
Take the big NT Star whatshisname or a freak OLB. I’m fine with that.
I’m also fine with drafting the best OT in the draft.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Lol,..if Jon came back Pryor is the first guy cut. I dont care what Jon said on BSPN,..he would cut him before he landed at the airport.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
We need players.
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That’s what I see when I watch the games. We have had a bunch of high round busts, our free agents have not come in here and done that well historically, and we need some quality depth. McKenzie did a good job with Burris, Goodson, Wheeler, and Streator. Those guys did not cost us much if anything at all. He can build this team given some money, draft choices and time.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
but there is a big chance Gruden wont come back.. but there is a chance he will
Rich gannon last night was on the radio saying after hue jackson was fired, Jon and Rich were talking. Jon told rich he was highly intrigued with coming back to oakland, but now jon might be 1 yr to late.
mark is stuck with DA, Gannon said no question Jon is coming back to coach this year though. It will probaly be the Chargers or Eagles imo. But I bet jon is inquiring about the raider gig with mark.
it doesnt help either when every dayummm raider fan is screaming toward mark at the game to bring back chucky lol
December 8th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
I already did Banana.
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I see it. My bad.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
2013 will have a very different look then 2012,..however,..100% sure that Reggie and Dennis and Palmer all back…Knapp will of course go,..I think Tarver stays.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Jon Gruden said Friday that Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor has “dominated college football” and could make it in the NFL.
“I have met Terrelle Pryor, had a chance to watch him,” Gruden told the media after speaking at the 80th annual Ohio State Football Clinic. “This is a freak of nature. This guy is really something with the ball in his hands.”
Jon Gruden said Friday that Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor has “dominated college football” and could make it in the NFL.
“I have met Terrelle Pryor, had a chance to watch him,” Gruden told the media after speaking at the 80th annual Ohio State Football Clinic. “This is a freak of nature. This guy is really something with the ball in his hands.”
Gruden is a commentator on ESPN’s “Monday Night Football,” and said he is helping coach his son’s high school team right now but would like to return to coaching full time. He didn’t specify when or in what capacity.
“You miss the players. You miss victory,” Gruden said. “Those are feelings you can’t duplicate.”
This was JON GRUDEN on PRYOR in an interview last summer
December 8th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
If Jon would be assured the Jags would never leave Florida that would likely be his first choice.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
We need players.
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That’s what I see when I watch the games. We have had a bunch of high round busts, our free agents have not come in here and done that well historically, and we need some quality depth. McKenzie did a good job with Burris, Goodson, Wheeler, and Streator. Those guys did not cost us much if anything at all. He can build this team given some money, draft choices and time.
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When we all put on our “rational hats” we all know this to be true Seymour.
Im going to get out of here now before Bob crushes anymore of my dreams.
Im off to go coach my Boys & Girls Club basketball team.
Later gents.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Gruden said “”Terrelle Pryor can run and he can throw and he’s a hell of a competitor,” Gruden said. “You might have to cater your offense, to a degree, towards his strengths, but I think this guy can develop his passing.
“His win-loss record speaks for itself. He’s not playing against the choir boys. This is a guy that’s dominated college football.”
December 8th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
It doesnt matter what Jon said about Pryor on BSPN,…he would cut him while at the baggage claim area at the Oakland Airport. I bet Jon said great things about Tebow too.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Rich eisen said this week before the raider game that Jon told him he wants to do it this time around with a young QB
December 8th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
This wasnt on bspn.. it was in an interview about young qbs coming to the league.. and im glad u speak for jon..
December 8th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Houston Texans have gone through 5 O-cord and 4 D-cord and are only on there 2nd head coach in 10 years. We cant let go of D.A. (unless gruden comes) and hire a new coach, but we can get rid of that fuc face O-cord and that lost puppy D-cord that we now have. draft
O-line and D-line then D-backs, try and trade Dmac for a 1st or a 2nd and maybe pick that R.B. from Vanderbilt. most all teams start by firing there cordinators before they fire there head coaches.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Rich gannon last night was on the radio saying after hue jackson was fired, Jon and Rich were talking. Jon told rich he was highly intrigued with coming back to oakland, but now jon might be 1 yr to late.
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IN order to come back, you have to be offered a contract. Gruden wasn’t. In fact, last time I looked he hasn’t been offered a contract any where in pro ball. He should have taken the Tennessee job and proven he can develop young players.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
ya and tebow has taken his team to a playoff and won a playoff game.
What has palmer done the last 6 years besides throwing INTS when the team finally gets momentumn back on their side?
December 8th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
The other thing is the Gruden talk is totally counter productive. It’s distracting, it’s disrespectful, it changes the focus from trying to get better and seeing what we have here in the end to Gruden. Who ain’t coming here anyway and would be a disaster if he magically did.
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Exactly. Post-Super Bowl, Gruden was veeeeeery mediocre for the Bucs. And the team he built here didn’t exactly stand the test of time, either.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Of course JOn wasnt offered a contract because he didnt ask for one.
Gannon said Jon is ready to come back to coaching THIS YEAR.. he has that itch. So its likely him and mark are talking. Maybe Gruden looking to take DA’s job? Maybe mark is thinking about it who knows???
either way Gruden is interested in the raiders as well.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Im not speaking for Jon…I know what I know,…I will be talking to Reggie at KC game,…get him to sign my #54 Raider jersey with his name on the back. Word.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Palmer would be pretty good if he had a decent running back and decent receivers and a decent O line…oh and a decent OC. Youre welcome.
December 8th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Anyway Im outta here,…going to Mont Bleu,..free booze and wings tonight for the Heissman deal,…free as long as you play slots,..maybe walk around tonight in the snow with a big bottle of liquor… #TahoeLife
December 8th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Reggie takes pictures with everyone.. and he better becareful.. cuz alot of ppl with camera phones now days.. and ive seen alot some of drunk chicks taking pics on his lap.
its not a good look for a GM
December 8th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
More passes/ execuses handed out for palmer i see. He had all that in cincy with ocho cinco, TO near 1,000 yards, cedric benson and still through 24 ints in 2010
December 8th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
OG are not impact players?????
Upshaw?????
I do agree that lines play as a unit.
One guy usually will not make a big difference. That is why this is a multi year problem. Unfortunately our Dline needs three and our Oline needs two at a minimum.
That is why you will not see a big improvement in 2013.
The lines were allowed to deteriorate too much.
Barnes, Carlisle, Seymour, Kelly, Shaugnessy;
Too old, ineffective, way overpaid and/or just plain bad.
More than one draft can fix.
Again; beware free agents!!!! That is how we got into this mess in the first place.
Draft well!!!!
December 8th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
O
For the most part 3, 4 rounders will not be as good as 1, 2 rounders.
Yes you can find good ones and the Texans are a good example however if you look closer you will see that most good teams have spent 1,2 on the Oline
December 8th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
no offense taken Jim
You may have been stone when you first heard the news
You need to read a little bit better. The hub dude made it clear that Gruden wants personel decision.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
i agree enough gruden talk.. i wont get excited till its announced if everrrrr. we wont know till after the season. Anything can happen.
At this point i want to see pryor play. I want a good draft
December 8th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Raiderallday
Wheres the post that said Gruden wants player personel decision.
I hope I wasn’t the one that was stoned
December 8th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Jon Gruden said Friday that Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor has “dominated college football” and could make it in the NFL.
“I have met Terrelle Pryor, had a chance to watch him,” Gruden told the media after speaking at the 80th annual Ohio State Football Clinic. “This is a freak of nature. This guy is really something with the ball in his hands.”
Jon Gruden said Friday that Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor has “dominated college football” and could make it in the NFL.
“I have met Terrelle Pryor, had a chance to watch him,” Gruden told the media after speaking at the 80th annual Ohio State Football Clinic. “This is a freak of nature. This guy is really something with the ball in his hands.”
Gruden is a commentator on ESPN’s “Monday Night Football,” and said he is helping coach his son’s high school team right now but would like to return to coaching full time. He didn’t specify when or in what capacity.
“You miss the players. You miss victory,” Gruden said. “Those are feelings you can’t duplicate.”
This was JON GRUDEN on PRYOR in an interview last summer
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I hope that Pryor makes it. I really do. Especially as Al’s last pick. I doubt he’s ready at this time, but maybe in 2013 or 2014. QBs used to wait 3 or 4 years before playing. Heck, Aaron Rodgers did it. If Pryor keeps working hard he could be the guy.
But I can’t put much creedence in Gruden’s comments either for Pryor’s future or as evidence that Gruden is drooling over the prospect of coaching the kid. He was at an Ohio State football function. What do you expect him to say? I put about as much stock in his comments about Pryor as I do John Fox’s and Joe Vitt’s comments about Dennis Allen.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
DJ johnny posted it last night.. I jsut added to it. I’ll look for it ..hold on
December 8th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Of course JOn wasnt offered a contract because he didnt ask for one.
Gannon said Jon is ready to come back to coaching THIS YEAR..
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So what you’re saying is Gruden WANTED to get fired and be out of coaching for four years? Actually everyone I have spoken to said Gruden wanted to get back in right away. Which is what almost every good coach does, like John Fox.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Attn: JRJ & Riff
nice list. thanks for making that
RRS = no to Jon Gruden
I’m riding with Reggie & Dennis at least 1 more year. Expect major roster overhaul. probably half of the asst coaches trashed as well
December 8th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/dennis-allen-plans-to-get-terrelle-pryor-some-playing-time/
Dennis Allen reads this blog??
+1 for Coach DA!
December 8th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I didnt say anything bush.. im just telling u what gannon was said. Gruden is up Coaching Jobs every year.. he could have gotten back into it if he wanted.
He is ready to come back. Thats all I know
December 8th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
For Plunkett from last night
DJ Johnny Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
GRUDEN UPDATE:
I was driving home tonight and popped on 670 The Score and once again Hub Arkush was on and wouldn’t you know they were talking Gruden again.
Hub was defending his decision to run the story claiming he didn’t know DA’s dad had passed and said he would of run it anyway cuz it’s his job and it’s news.
Hub was filling tonight for someone so he took over after the transition talk at 6pm (cst) for his 4 hr. show. Of course it was mostly Bears talk but someone called in and asked about Gruden. The caller asked about the controversy of the Zak Gilbert memo and Hub addressed it by saying he and Zak (Raider PR guy) exchanged many e-mails since this happened and they have an understanding Hub was only doing his job.
The caller asked if Hub was still standing by his story and he said “100 %” The caller asked how much he trusts his sources on the story and Hub sounded perturbed and said “Listen, I would NEVER run a story like this unless I was absolutely certain it was true. I didn’t just double check my sources on this, I triple checked them and i don’t now how else to say this but I know for a FACT Mark Davis met with Jon Gruden and they discussed Gruden not only coming back to join the Raiders but to take a very prominent role within the organization. What they talked about was Jon Gruden taking over management control of the player personnel and I from what I hear that would also include taking over as head coach.
As far as Reggie McKenzie is concerned, from what I hear he would still remain part of the organization but what role he would assume i’m not entirely sure.”
The caller asked again if Hub tursted the information he had and his sources and Hub laughed and said “absolutely….100%”.
That’s as word for word that i can recall. If not it’s very close.
Just thought i’d pass it along.
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then i added
BOOM part 4. So to recap
Tues day morning – HUB ARKUSH releases news that Raiders/ GRUDEN have met. HUB has 31 yrs in the business
Later that afternoon GREG PAPA on tuesday was on the radio (95.7 the game ) ..said JON said numerous of times in 2009 that night at rickeys that he wanted to come back to the raiders as unfinished business. Greg was shocked to hear papa said that.
Al even told papa that Jon had called him and about coming back the year b4 Al went in a different direction and hired a young offesive guru (HUE JACKSON)
3. On WED 95.7 Ric bucher couldnt believe the story ..so he check his sources from working nationaly and ESPN for many of years.. and his ESPN source confirmed that GRUDEN/ RAIDERS have talked. That day RAIDER PR GUY sent an email denying it. That night RIC BUCHER wanted to make sure it was right.. check his sources at espn again. They told him WITHOUT A DOUBT that JON GRUDEN/ RAIDERS HAD MET.
4. TODAY on 95.7 the game weekly interviw they asked RICH GANNON his thoughts. RICH said this year GRUDEN IS COMING BACK TO COACH SOMEWHERE. HE HAS THAT ITCH.
RICH GANNON said after hue jackson was fired.. him and jon were talking and Gruden told Rich how intrigued he was about coming back to coach the RAIDERS. RICH said Gruden is ready to assemble an awesome staff and GET AFTER IT AGAIN.
so this is more then just a small rumor. Where there is smoke there is fire.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Charlie Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
OG are not impact players?????
Upshaw?????
I do agree that lines play as a unit.
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No OGs are not impact player. Like you said, they play as a unit.
Most starting OGs in the league are not 1st round picks.
DL is a different story.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
2013 Keepers:
Terrelle Pryor
Marcel Reece
Juron Criner
Darrius Heyward-Bey (reduced contract)
Denarius Moore
Rod Streater
Brandon Myers
David Ausberry
Stefen Wisniewski
Jared Veldheer
Tony Bergstrom
Christo Bilukidi
Desmond Bryant
Jack Crawford
Lamarr Houston
Matt Shaughnessy
Miles Burris
Philip Wheeler
Jon Condo
Sebastian Janikowski
Shane Lechler
Thats right. I’m trading Palmer, McFadden, Ford, Kelly, Huff, Branch & McClain for whatever I can get. Make me a friggin offer. I don’t care if it’s a 5th rounder. Let’s get after it!!
December 8th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
bring on all the “I’m sure glad you’re not our GM” comments
December 8th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
I don’t see how dominant NTs don’t need to be blocked by dominant players???
C and OG are certainly impact positions.
Move the NT, your offense will have success.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Raider all day thanks for that
Jim Its all rumors anyway but I would imagine Gruden would want those powers, don’t you think so?
Why would he come here and depend on Reg to get the players when he may consider Reg inadequate for the job
December 8th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Adams and Ross are 2013 keepers too
December 8th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
bring on all the “I’m sure glad you’re not our GM” comments
I agree with you, time to clean house
December 8th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Rock
I got your back on this list. What do we have to lose.
The biggest risk is QB but we could use the money and Pryor could buy us a couple years.
Huff, Branch and McSlow can kick rocks they get burned more often than not.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
DA should start these players the last 3 games and see if he finds a new starter from this group in 13.
Pryor: let’s see if he has what it takes to be a Qb in this league.
Streater: DHB is not coming back next year not reason not to start him.
Bergstrom: Say bye bye to Barnes.
Bilukidi: Tommy Kelly is going to be a cap casuality not to mention he didn’t have a good year.
Adams: Bartell is done in the nfl.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
O
For the most part 3, 4 rounders will not be as good as 1, 2 rounders.
Yes you can find good ones and the Texans are a good example however if you look closer you will see that most good teams have spent 1,2 on the Oline
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Most teams don’t draft interior OL in the 1st. Like I said, most starting interior OL are not 1st round picks. Look at the best FA OG that got a huge contract from TB. He is not a 1st round pick.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Senior Offensive Assistant – Al Saunders
Running Backs – Kelly Skipper
Wide Receivers – Ted Gilmore
Tight Ends – Mark Hutson
Defensive Line – Terrell Williams
Linebackers – Johnny Holland
Defensive Backs – Clayton Lopez
Defensive Backs – Johnnie Lynn
I would keep this staff intact as well, with these guys staying in their respective positions. The rest can walk the plank – and shut the heck up about promoting Saunders to OC already, clowns!
not happening
December 8th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Shutdown Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
“My point in asking this is the argument that the talent here is so much worse this year than last year. We had the same depth problems last year, except at RB. The only place where there has been a huge talent drop off from this year to last is the coaching staff.”
1) Secondary: totally depleted by injuries, Huff playing out of position- SAME AS LAST YEAR, WE HAD JEROME BOYD PLAYING SAFETY, MCCANN, CHEKWA, AND SHEPPARD PLAYING CORNER. NONE OF THEM WERE EVEN GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE THIS 3-10 TEAM
2) Wimbley let go for money reasons (had to be done)–no player who could pass rush left- WIMBLEY GOT PRESSURE ON THE QB, BUT ALMOST HALF HIS SEASON SACK TOTAL CAME IN ONE GAME. WE LOST SHAUGNESSY LAST YEAR WHEN HE HAD A VERY NICE START TO THE SEASON AND WE ADJUSTED. HOUSTON HAD A TERRIBLE SEASON LAST YEAR AND HIS UPTICK IN PRODUCTION THIS YEAR DOES A LITTLE TO OFFSET THE LOSS OF WIMBLEY
3) Seymour a year older and even more gimpy than in the previous seasons–basically unable to perform- SEYMOUR WAS NOT EFFECTIVE LAST YEAR. DESMOND BRYANT AND TK WERE OUR BEST DT’S LAST YEAR. HOUSTON HAS ALSO BEEN EFFECTIVE WHEN MOVED TO THE MIDDLE
4) A receiving corps, still young but “talented”, always hurt…the receivers who worked out with Palmer all summer and at the beginning of training camp, out- THIS YEARS WR CORPS IS HANDS DOWN BETTER THAN LAST YEARS. BESIDES FORD, NONE OF THE WR’S THIS YEAR HAVE MISSED SIGNIFICANT TIME.
Basically, the number of injuries and their timing have led to lack of defensive and offensive cohesiveness. This would be hard for a talented team and one in which the pieces had played together for years, but devastating to a mediocre team, and one in which the pieces were new or reshuffled.
LOOK AT LAST YEARS RECORD BEFORE WE LOST JC AND MCFADDEN AND OUR RECORD AFTER. ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY THAT THERE IS NO DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN THE DROP OFF AND THE INJURIES TO THOSE TWO. IT WAS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR AT LEAST THE LOSS IN KC. WE HAD AS MANY INJURIES LAST YEAR AND AN ORGANIZATION IS JUST AS MUCH FLUX WITH THE SUDDEN AND UNEXPECTED LOSS OF AL DAVIS. WE HAVE MOSTLY THE SAME STARTERS IN PLACE THIS YEAR WITH AN ADDITIONAL YEAR OF COHESIVENESS AND CHEMISTRY TO BUILD ON. LAST YEAR WE WERE DISAPPOINTED AND DOWNRIGHT PISSED (MOSTLY AT HUE) WHEN WE DIDN’T WIN, THIS YEAR WE ARE HAPPY TO NOT GET BLOWN OUT. WE WENT FROM ACTUAL VICTORIES, TO MORAL ONES. BUT HEY, HOW BOUT THEM PENALTIES?
December 8th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Raider all day thanks for that
Jim Its all rumors anyway but I would imagine Gruden would want those powers, don’t you think so?
Why would he come here and depend on Reg to get the players when he may consider Reg inadequate for the job
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Plunk
He might he might not. Sorry if I was a little BIATCHI but I am so FReakin tired of being disappointed by this team.
A little shot of Gruden sounds pretty good to me.
The bottom line is we need some play makers and guys that don’t seem lost out there on O and D
When your coach DA looks as clueless as the players, that is what pisses me off the most and makes me clamor for a guy like CHUCKY that will get in someones grill and put a foot in they arse. Ya Dig?
All this accountability talk and the roll up our sleeves and work hader crap is soooooooooo old already.
It’s my own fault for thinking we would be okay this year by just fixing the D. The KOOL-AID tasted good at the time LOL!!!
December 8th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Adams and Ross are 2013 keepers too
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think so, Jhill?
Adams has impressed me at CB, but so did Pat Lee at times and he’s toast. Phil doesn’t impress me at all on ST
I haven’t seen enough of Ross – but maybe he’s worth developing.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
My gut feeling: Gruden comes on board as head coach. Brings a great staff with him. McKenzie keeps the GM title and runs the whole scouting operation. However, Gruden has final say on all player personnel moves. May even have a title like head coach and president or something like that.
Gruden and McKenzie were in Green Bay together. Not totally clear what their relationship is/was. But it’s possible there’s a comfort level they have working with each other. I also think that after the way things have gone so far, Reggie better just do what he’s told and be thankful he has a job.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
DAMN LET ME REPOST CUZ THAT WAS KILLING MY EYES AND IM SURE ALL OF YOURS AS WELL
Shutdown Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
“My point in asking this is the argument that the talent here is so much worse this year than last year. We had the same depth problems last year, except at RB. The only place where there has been a huge talent drop off from this year to last is the coaching staff.”
1) Secondary: totally depleted by injuries, Huff playing out of position-
SAME AS LAST YEAR. WE HAD JEROME BOYD PLAYING SAFETY, MCCANN, CHEKWA, AND SHEPPARD PLAYING CORNER. NONE OF THEM WERE EVEN GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE THIS 3-10 TEAM
2) Wimbley let go for money reasons (had to be done)–no player who could pass rush left-
WIMBLEY GOT PRESSURE ON THE QB, BUT ALMOST HALF HIS SEASON SACK TOTAL CAME IN ONE GAME. WE LOST SHAUGNESSY LAST YEAR WHEN HE HAD A VERY NICE START TO THE SEASON AND WE ADJUSTED. HOUSTON HAD A TERRIBLE SEASON LAST YEAR AND HIS UPTICK IN PRODUCTION THIS YEAR DOES A LITTLE TO OFFSET THE LOSS OF WIMBLEY
3) Seymour a year older and even more gimpy than in the previous seasons–basically unable to perform-
SEYMOUR WAS NOT EFFECTIVE LAST YEAR. DESMOND BRYANT AND TK WERE OUR BEST DT’S LAST YEAR. HOUSTON HAS ALSO BEEN EFFECTIVE WHEN MOVED TO THE MIDDLE
4) A receiving corps, still young but “talented”, always hurt…the receivers who worked out with Palmer all summer and at the beginning of training camp, out-
THIS YEARS WR CORPS IS HANDS DOWN BETTER THAN LAST YEARS. BESIDES FORD, NONE OF THE WR’S THIS YEAR HAVE MISSED SIGNIFICANT TIME.
Basically, the number of injuries and their timing have led to lack of defensive and offensive cohesiveness. This would be hard for a talented team and one in which the pieces had played together for years, but devastating to a mediocre team, and one in which the pieces were new or reshuffled-
LOOK AT LAST YEARS RECORD BEFORE WE LOST JC AND MCFADDEN AND OUR RECORD AFTER. ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY THAT THERE IS NO DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN THE DROP OFF AND THE INJURIES TO THOSE TWO. IT WAS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR AT LEAST THE LOSS IN KC. WE HAD AS MANY INJURIES LAST YEAR AND AN ORGANIZATION IS JUST AS MUCH FLUX WITH THE SUDDEN AND UNEXPECTED LOSS OF AL DAVIS. WE HAVE MOSTLY THE SAME STARTERS IN PLACE THIS YEAR WITH AN ADDITIONAL YEAR OF COHESIVENESS AND CHEMISTRY TO BUILD ON. LAST YEAR WE WERE DISAPPOINTED AND DOWNRIGHT PISSED (MOSTLY AT HUE) WHEN WE DIDN’T WIN, THIS YEAR WE ARE HAPPY TO NOT GET BLOWN OUT. WE WENT FROM ACTUAL VICTORIES, TO MORAL ONES. BUT HEY, HOW BOUT THEM PENALTIES?
December 8th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Is Mcfadden20 DA’s son or relative?
December 8th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
I don’t see how dominant NTs don’t need to be blocked by dominant players???
C and OG are certainly impact positions.
Move the NT, your offense will have success.
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It’s about VALUE, and according to the experts (interior OL) ate less valuable than QBs, RBs, WRs, CBs, DEs, OTs, etc.. Based on their salaries and draft status.
The reason behind that is they ate not impact players.
They don’t get sacks, they don’t create TOs, they don’t score, and they don’t get 1st downs. Impact players make plays that impact the game.
The steelers and the Giants won 4 SBs without investing high picks in their OL.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
sorry fellas. I’m not buying OL or DL with the first round pick!
I’m gonna take a QB or RB. Give Pryor these 3 starts and see what he does. If he’s terrible, I’m drafting a franchise QB because Palmer is a loser & turnover machine. Leinart sucks and TP still requires development
If Pryor shows promise, and still dumping Palmer & Leinart … but i’m grabbing a veteran QB with starting experience to show him the ropes, compete with him and back him up if he gets injured
McFadden, Goodson & Jones are out. Maybe use a RB combo of Stewart & Reece next year if we draft a franchise QB and there aren’t any mid-round studs worth a selection. I don’t want an over-the-hill scrub like Ryan Grant or Cedric Benson in FA either
If Pryor is legit, i’m taking the best RB in the draft. I might even trade up for him
December 8th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
McKenzie is nit getting replaced by a player personnel guy with ZERO experience at that position. That wouldn’t be smart.
Replace Knapp as a play caller, and have a solid draft.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
There aren’t any franchise QBs in this draft, RRS.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
According to the experts, interior lineman aren’t impact players? That’s crazy because opening up big holes to run through and protecting the QB seems important. Damn experts…lol
December 8th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
I would still like to see Jones in these last 3 games. A switch to corner or safety if he doesn’t pan out as a running back would be worth a look also.
The DUDE flat out brings the wood on special teams and seems to always be one of the first ones around the ball.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Why are people comparing DA’s situation to Gary Kubiak and the Texans?????
Kubiak took a 2-14 team to 6-10 team his first year…PROGRESS
He then stabilized the team at 8-8 for two years and 9-7 for one year…PROGRESS with a little time to get over the hump
Two years later they are 10-6 and now 11-1
In fact Kubiak’s progress looks very similar to Gruden’s in Oakland
If DA was at least 7-9 people wouldn’t want him gone. However, he’s at 3 wins with embarrassing performances. We went from 8-8 to a laughing stock. Its that simple.
What do any of you see out of him that can turn this around. Is it just pure blind faith???
December 8th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
For me its more then just the fact that Gruden is more experienced and more likely to have success.
It is about Mark becoming a meddlesome owner and stability.
I want to see a coach stick around for three years and we made our bed with a young coach who will make mistakes but he will learn and improve. He is a very bright coach or he would not be making two million dollars a year coaching the Raiders.
I want to stick with DA.
Isnt there some sort or rule, maybe one of those unwritten rules where you don’t go after a coaches job during the season or am I thinking of something else?
December 8th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Chris in NY,
Reggie is in charge of making the HC decision. It’s his team. Mark Davis isn’t going to force Gruden or any other coach on him. Only way Allen gets fired is if BigMac feels it’s appropriate. I don’t see that happening this offseason
December 8th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
There have been plenty of OGs drafted around 15, O.
I said trade down if we are going to draft an OG.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Are*
December 8th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Taiwan Jones to corner was an interesting thought.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Taiwan tackles well.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Iupati for the 9rs was a high pick.
Castro from Stanford last year, Grubbs.
Alex Mack at C for the Browns.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
There aren’t any franchise QBs in this draft, RRS.
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none??
I think that’s a debate for March or April.
Anyways, my point remains the same
December 8th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Either way you think Mark is active now? wait till next season when there really are no more passes for DA..
he is gonna be speaking if we lose 3 in a row
December 8th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
If you want to effectively run you’d better have a damn good OG.When Seattle had Hutchenson they were one of the top rushing teams in the league.When he went to Minn. they became a top rushing team.It is also no coincidence that the LT in Seattle was an all-pro while Hutch was there and as soon as he went to Minn. their left tackle became an all-pro while the LT in Seattle became avg..In SF Iipati is a 1st rd great LG and they have one of the best Olines in football.Just a couple examples,but OG,especially left OG,is extremely important and often underrated.
December 8th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Raider O Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Charlie Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
OG are not impact players?????
Upshaw?????
I do agree that lines play as a unit.
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No OGs are not impact player. Like you said, they play as a unit.
Most starting OGs in the league are not 1st round picks.
DL is a different story.
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I agree true OG’s are rarely drafted as such but how many Guards are drafted as tackles only to be moved to be moved guard later. 2 years ago the 49ers drafted Iupati in the 1st round, top 20 if i recall correctly. The eagles also drafted a guard in the first round recently, either the Luck draft or the Newton draft
December 8th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Have the Raiders drafted a good O-Liner in RD1 in the past 30 years??
I can’t recall
December 8th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Don’t forget Joe Thomas to go with mack in Cleveland.
Hey O what is your take on the stuff going on in Eygpt. Sounds like there is gonna be a lot more violence.
And Syria? That’s crazy now with rumors, sarin gas loaded, Russia giving new advanced missles to assad and Turkey/US on the other side helping the rebels?
December 8th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Vick could land in Buffalo next season
-PFT
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see post # 1178 by RRS. There you have it. sign Ryan Fitzpatrick to back up or compete with Pryor next season. I’m sure we could land him with a reasonable 2-year contract
December 8th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
There have been plenty of OGs drafted around 15, O.
I said trade down if we are going to draft an OG.
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Plenty? Really?
11 OGs have been drafted in the 1st the last decade.
11 in 10 years is plenty?
December 8th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
RRS
Fitz really wouldn’t be a huge downgrade IMO.
That is alot of money for Palmer and I don’t think another re-structure would help
December 8th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
That is alot of money for Palmer and I don’t think another re-structure would help
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JRJ,
a restructure helps Reggie’s ability to get under the cap, but it doesn’t help us win football games and it doesn’t add any money to Mark Davis’ bank account
December 8th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Every NFL team had 2 starting OGs, but only 11 have been drafted in the 1st round in the last 10 years.
Like I said, the draft is about Value.
I’m done debating the issue.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Has*
December 8th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
I’m done debating the issue.
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Raider O done debating??
never!!
ever chatted with Dell about Huff at corner since Huff actually moved to CB?
December 8th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
I’m done debating the issue.
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No you’re not.
You’ll be happy to jump in and tell everyone how wrong they are.
9rs drafted Iupati
Steelers drafted an OG last year.
A couple more were drafted in 2011.
Pointless because i want the best OT in the draft with our top 3 pick.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Huff sucks at corner, but he’s still better than Routt!
December 8th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Hey O what is your take on the stuff going on in Eygpt. Sounds like there is gonna be a lot more violence.
And Syria? That’s crazy now with rumors, sarin gas loaded, Russia giving new advanced missles to assad and Turkey/US on the other side helping the rebels?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
It’s good for business. All those people immigrate to a safe and close country which is Jordan. Best time to buy & develop RE.
LOL
December 8th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
#1153. You may have something there. Grudens specialty is QB’s, he is a QB coach…look at what he did with Rich Gannon? T.Pryor has a great deal of untapped talent/potential. Gruden was able to allow Gannon to use his mobility, and Gannon did not have a big arm (though he became accurate), in fact Gannons mechanics were considered not quite up to snuff when it comes to the traditional successful NFL-QB.
But much if not all of Gannons successes can be attributed to Gruden. That 2002 MVP was because Gruden transformed an athlete who had a tremendous desire into a Good NFL QB. he started gannons success. 1999,2000,2001,2002 probowl selections.
If Mark Davis hires Gruden it would be a great move…but one things for sure He’s got to cut Allen, Knapp & Tarver loose!!!
December 8th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Just looked at a bunch of the top prospects in the draft.
First impression: Trade down.
Not sure I see a bigtime difference-maker at this point, especially among the pass rushers. Definitely don’t see an Aldon Smith/Von Miller/JJ Watt type in the bunch at the top.
If we stay put I’d lean toward A&M LT Luke Joeckel. I realize we have Veldheer. This isn’t a knock on him. One of the two guys would kick over to RT. Build a dominant o-line.
The other two guys talked about as top-10 prospects who I’d be most interested in at this point are Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah; Eric Reid, S, LSU; and Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
I’m done debating the issue.
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No you’re not.
You’ll be happy to jump in and tell everyone how wrong they are.
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LMAO
11 in 10 years. Why are you still arguing?
December 8th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Are there any stud C in the draft?I’d love to get an elite C and move Wiz back to LG.Any regression in Veldheer this year is due to the LG not being as good as he was last year,IMO.With a new C or improvement at LG plus a new RT the line would be much better.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
In May of 1918, Hampton Smith, a 31 year old White plantation owner in Brooks County, Georgia, was shot and killed by one of his Black workers named Sydney Johnson. Hampton Smith was known for abusing and beating his workers to the point few people in the area would work for him. To solve this labor shortage, Smith turned to the debt peonage system of the day and found a ready labor pool. He used that system by bailing people out of jail, people typically arrested for petty offenses, who would then work off their debt to him on his plantation. Nineteen year old Sydney Johnson, arrested for “rolling dice” and fined thirty dollars, was one such person.
After a few days of work on Smith’s plantation, and shortly after being beaten by Smith for not working while he was sick, Sidney Johnson shot and killed Hampton Smith. What ensued after the shooting was a mob driven manhunt for Johnson and others thought to be involved in his decision to kill Hampton Smith. That manhunt lasted for more than a week and resulted in the deaths of at least 13 people, with some historical accounts suggesting a higher number of persons killed. One of the people killed was a woman named Mary Turner.
Twenty year-old Mary Turner, 8 months pregnant at the time and whose husband had been killed in this “lynching rampage” on Sunday, May 19th, made the mistake of publicly objecting to her husband’s murder. She also had the audacity to threaten to swear out warrants for those responsible. Those “unwise remarks,” as the area papers put it, enraged locals. Consequently, Mary Turner fled for her life only to be caught and taken to a place called Folsom’s Bridge on the Brooks and Lowndes Counties’ shared border. To punish her, at Folsom’s Bridge the mob tied Mary Turner by her ankles, hung her upside down from a tree, poured gasoline on her and burned off her clothes. One member of the mob then cut her stomach open and her unborn child dropped to the ground where it was reportedly stomped on and crushed. Her body was then riddled with gunfire from the mob. Later that night she and her baby were buried ten feet away from where they were murdered. The makeshift grave was marked with only a “whiskey bottle” with a “cigar” stuffed in its neck.
http://www.maryturner.org/
December 8th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Huff sucks at corner, but he’s still better than Bartell, Spencer & Hanson.
Huff sucks at safety, but he’s still better than Branch, Mitchell & Giordano.
Is that any reason to keep Huff?
No!!
December 8th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
news flash!
Grudens not coming!
put your crack pipe down!
December 8th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
I’m done debating the issue.
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Raider O done debating??
never!!
ever chatted with Dell about Huff at corner since Huff actually moved to CB?
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LOL
We did at the beginning of the season, bit it’s been a long time since he posted, and I don’t have his email (which is a good thing for him). lol
December 8th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
mikeschoice Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
news flash!
Grudens not coming!
put your crack pipe down
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How do you know, you the owner?
December 8th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
How much of the blame can our corners get with our great pass rush? It’s almost impossible to evaluate any one position on this team when there’s holes everywhere.
The boat that springs a leak when another is closed?
December 8th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Chris in NY,
Reggie is in charge of making the HC decision. It’s his team. Mark Davis isn’t going to force Gruden or any other coach on him. Only way Allen gets fired is if BigMac feels it’s appropriate. I don’t see that happening this offseason
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Mark’s signing the checks, big man. Mark is, quote, “frustrated” and “disappointed.” We know Mark feels most comfortable with Raiders of the past such as Madden and Wolf and I’d bet Gruden as well.
McKenzie will do what he’s told.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Tens of thousands of innocent people have died and the bloodbath is just beginning.
Jordon will not be unaffected
December 8th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Later Gents. The kid wants to go play in the park.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Well its official now.
Grudens not coming. mikeschoice Says
December 8th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Chris in NY,
Reggie is in charge of making the HC decision. It’s his team. Mark Davis isn’t going to force Gruden or any other coach on him. Only way Allen gets fired is if BigMac feels it’s appropriate. I don’t see that happening this offseason
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Mark’s signing the checks, big man. Mark is, quote, “frustrated” and “disappointed.” We know Mark feels most comfortable with Raiders of the past such as Madden and Wolf and I’d bet Gruden as well.
McKenzie will do what he’s told.
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Not according to Mckenzie
December 8th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
1217.Chris in NY Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Chris in NY,
Reggie is in charge of making the HC decision. It’s his team. Mark Davis isn’t going to force Gruden or any other coach on him. Only way Allen gets fired is if BigMac feels it’s appropriate. I don’t see that happening this offseason
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Mark’s signing the checks, big man. Mark is, quote, “frustrated” and “disappointed.” We know Mark feels most comfortable with Raiders of the past such as Madden and Wolf and I’d bet Gruden as well.
McKenzie will do what he’s told.
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Chris In NY—I agree with you even if Gruden doesn’t come (although I hope he does) Reggie will Hire whom Mark says or, Reggie will be unemployed!!
December 8th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
How much of the blame can our corners get with our great pass rush? It’s almost impossible to evaluate any one position on this team when there’s holes everywhere.
The boat that springs a leak when another is closed?
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AFLAC!!!
December 8th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
rudegruden Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Chris in NY,
Reggie is in charge of making the HC decision. It’s his team. Mark Davis isn’t going to force Gruden or any other coach on him. Only way Allen gets fired is if BigMac feels it’s appropriate. I don’t see that happening this offseason
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Mark’s signing the checks, big man. Mark is, quote, “frustrated” and “disappointed.” We know Mark feels most comfortable with Raiders of the past such as Madden and Wolf and I’d bet Gruden as well.
McKenzie will do what he’s told.
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Not according to Mckenzie
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In the end, it’s clearly not his choice.
He’s delusional if he thinks otherwise.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
DA should be FIRED for the simple fact he hired Greg Knapp. Anybody really want to argue that?
December 8th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Lmfao 1223
December 8th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
rudegruden Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Chris in NY,
Reggie is in charge of making the HC decision. It’s his team. Mark Davis isn’t going to force Gruden or any other coach on him. Only way Allen gets fired is if BigMac feels it’s appropriate. I don’t see that happening this offseason
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Mark’s signing the checks, big man. Mark is, quote, “frustrated” and “disappointed.” We know Mark feels most comfortable with Raiders of the past such as Madden and Wolf and I’d bet Gruden as well.
McKenzie will do what he’s told.
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Not according to Mckenzie
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In the end, it’s clearly not his choice.
He’s delusional if he thinks otherwise.
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Thats what I’m afraid of. I currently don’t trust what McKenzie thinks.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
#1225. I couldnt said it better!!!
December 8th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
DA could somewhat save his job if he fired Knapp ASAP but that’s not going to happen because Knapp’s his buddy. This will be one of the reasons DA will be fired.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Well its official now.
Grudens not coming. mikeschoice Says
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No.. common sense does. Try it.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
RaidO Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
DA should be FIRED for the simple fact he hired Greg Knapp. Anybody really want to argue that?
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The Knapp hiring was the equivalent of the Chuck B hiring of 2011.
Every fan in here knew it was a garbage decision at the time and was proven right at season’s end each time.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
DA should be FIRED for the simple fact he hired Greg Knapp. Anybody really want to argue that?
***
what were his other options?
by the time he was hired, all the good coaches had signed elsewhere and a bunch of guys he requested permission to interview weren’t made available to him by their current team.
Al Saunders wasn’t an option, so please leave him off the table.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
RaidO Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
DA could somewhat save his job if he fired Knapp ASAP but that’s not going to happen because Knapp’s his buddy. This will be one of the reasons DA will be fired.
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If McK is crazy enough to allow Knapp to destroy this once elite offense again for another year, him and Mark Davis DESERVE half empty stadiums all next year.
It would be like giving us fans the finger.
DA stays… Knapp is dead man walking.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
DA should be FIRED for the simple fact he hired Greg Knapp. Anybody really want to argue that?
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what were his other options?
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Please… there were tons of hot young offensive assistants in college or pro anxious to move up… with CP and McF to play with.
Allen picked Knapp because thats the only guy available THAT HE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH… not because he was the only guy available.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
I had a weird dream last night. Gruden was the coach and not DA. But the record was the same. Knapp was the OC. I urged knapp to have gruden fired, mainly cuz he was gonna be head coach and hire me as OC.
Too much time on this blog I think.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Allen picked Knapp because thats the only guy available THAT HE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH… not because he was the only guy available.
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Not only that, but how did Jason Tarver get hired?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Tarver
December 8th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
DA should be FIRED for the simple fact he hired Greg Knapp. Anybody really want to argue that?
***
what were his other options?
by the time he was hired, all the good coaches had signed elsewhere and a bunch of guys he requested permission to interview weren’t made available to him by their current team.
Al Saunders wasn’t an option, so please leave him off the table.
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Option’s? Plenty of options. All the NFL and college coaches and assistant out there? All DA needed to do was bring in a “Coach” with the a similar vision and style has Hue and Al Saunders. Then concentrate on the D and fix the penalties.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Jarvis Jones 2013
Larry Grant 2013
Jon Gruden 2013
December 8th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
DA should be FIRED for the simple fact he hired Greg Knapp. Anybody really want to argue that?
***
what were his other options?
by the time he was hired, all the good coaches had signed elsewhere and a bunch of guys he requested permission to interview weren’t made available to him by their current team.
Al Saunders wasn’t an option, so please leave him off the table.
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Part of being a HC is knowing and being able to recruit capable coordinators. Not having enough time is an excuse. Reggie should have known what DA had in mind for coordinators. Both are at fault for the Knapp disaster. However, neither one should be excused. We all knew that hire was awful, how did a GM and HC miss that?
December 8th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Jarvis Jones is the 2nd coming of lawrence taylor we must draft him, larry grant is a sleeperand patrick willis protege we must sign him. Jones, Grant, Wheeler, means our linebacking core would be set and dominant for years. Make it happen!
December 8th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Larry grant… Inside linebacker behind patrick willis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNMTaMGDXhQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
December 8th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
As far as the Gruden stuff goes who knows.
All the goings on with this have been posted already.
Now you have Gannon talking about Gruden telling HIM that he’d like to come back.
Now u have multiple sources including Jon Bucher, Hub Arkush, Rich Gannon, sources at ESPN etc. etc. backing up the story Mark met with Gruden. Hub Arkush is 100% CERTAIN it happened and says he “triple checked” his sources AND the story.
What Hub is saying is that Gruden was being talked to about taking over power over personnel AND HC. Hub says Reggie would still be part of all this, at what capacity he is unsure; but…Arkush is NOT saying Gruden will accept the offer, but…he thinks with Oakland offering personnel control he sees Oakland as the likely destination.
Just read up on this online on PFW or other places.
THIS IS NOT a group of crack smoking Raider fans making this up.
Maybe we’re on crack to think Gruden will accept the position and it’s not even verified that a real offer was given to Gruden; it’s just certain that they DID meet to talk about it.
Hub’s OPINION is that Gruden will most likely end up in Oakland. Hub has been wrong before so those of youn worried he WILL come can relax a bit as it may not happen.
A meeting DID TAKE PLACE.
December 8th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
yes – Coach456
no – Plunketthead
yes – Carl Weathers
yes – Oakfshow
yes – The Big Banana
no – Seymour Bush
yes – Kiwi_Blade
yes – Big Pep
no – RaiderRockStar
yes – dDwight
undecided – Lefty12
undecided – Kell
undecided – J Hill
undecided – Morrilla
52 – 16
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 8th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/dennis-allen-plans-to-get-terrelle-pryor-some-playing-time/
Dennis Allen reads this blog??
+1 for Coach DA!
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I wont give him a +1 until he actually starts Pryor.
You need to play the kid to actually evaluate him. And he needs more than just a “package”.
Give him two games minimum. One to shake off the rust and another to show he can learn from mistakes and adjust from week to week.
Worst case scenario, we end up with a better draft pick. Best case scenario, we find out Pryor is worth continued development into our starter for 2014.
Other than that, what is the downside? Pryor will actually sell tickets. Palmer wont right now.
Baseball teams do this all the time once they are out of the race. Why DA is hanging on to this season is beyond me. It’s over. Start planning for 2013.
I really dont want Mark to be a meddling owner but damn, what choice is DA giving him? PLAY HOUDINI GODDAMITT!
December 8th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Dj Johnny Football! Thanks for the info!
December 8th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Jarvis Jones is the 2nd coming of lawrence taylor we must draft him, larry grant is a sleeperand patrick willis protege we must sign him. Jones, Grant, Wheeler, means our linebacking core would be set and dominant for years. Make it happen!
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Jarvis Jones is nowhere near LT’s league. I say pass.
Larry Grant would be a good signing.
If we go 3-4, I could see a lineup of:
OLB – Phillip Wheeler
ILB – Larry Grant
ILB – Miles Burris
OLB – Anthony Spencer
DE – Bryant/Shaughnessy
NT – Bryant/Star Lotloulelei
DE – Houston
That’s two reasonably priced but solid free agents plus possibly our top pick.
I do think Houston and Shaughnessy are best suited to play DE in a 3-4 system while Bryant is capable of playing any DL position in either a 3-4 or 4-3 with his best fits being 4-3 DT or 3-4 DE.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Kind of ironic that the Gruden poll is at 52-16 right now, since that’s pretty much what the final score of most of our games has looked like.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
After the initial disgust of hiring another retread coach in Knapp wore off (when has this EVER worked for the Raiders?) I actually started drinking the Knapp Koolade when he was talking about the ZBS offense around the corners to get McF into space, and the counter with CP bootlegging. Some poster here brilliantly pointed out the ZBS does not work without the COUNTER.
Instead we have seen mostly McF up the gut, and what, maybe Carson bootlegging ten times all SEASON?
I want my money back because of false advertising.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Jarvis Jones is the 2nd coming of lawrence taylor we must draft him, larry grant is a sleeperand patrick willis protege we must sign him. Jones, Grant, Wheeler, means our linebacking core would be set and dominant for years. Make it happen!
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Second coming of Lawrence Taylor?
Hardly. I just got done watching all of his plays against Florida this year. Every single play.
I see a lot of jogging. A lot of overpursuit. Poor containment. And he appears to play “light” in the trunk.
Im not impressed. Not even remotely impressed enough to want to pick him over trading down.
And again, he’s not even close to the athletic tornado that Lawrence Taylor was. Watch highlights of the two back to back and you will be embarrassed for comparing them.
We need a leader on this team. If we’re going to roll the dice on a 1st rounder, I say we gamble on this guy and this guy only…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWxIUeZKPmc
December 8th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Hell no! jarvis jones is a star. He has speed, hes strong, he tackles well, hes a dominant pass rusher, hes a leader, and a high energy guy. Hes going to be special trust me…. Burris misses a lot of tackles and blows coverage. Burris is a good spot play but I wouldnt want to depend on him for 16 games. Burris is a back up, jones is a von miller type factor.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
As far as the Gruden stuff goes who knows.
All the goings on with this have been posted already.
Now you have Gannon talking about Gruden telling HIM that he’d like to come back.
Now u have multiple sources including Jon Bucher, Hub Arkush, Rich Gannon, sources at ESPN etc. etc. backing up the story Mark met with Gruden. Hub Arkush is 100% CERTAIN it happened and says he “triple checked” his sources AND the story.
What Hub is saying is that Gruden was being talked to about taking over power over personnel AND HC. Hub says Reggie would still be part of all this, at what capacity he is unsure; but…Arkush is NOT saying Gruden will accept the offer, but…he thinks with Oakland offering personnel control he sees Oakland as the likely destination.
Just read up on this online on PFW or other places.
THIS IS NOT a group of crack smoking Raider fans making this up.
Maybe we’re on crack to think Gruden will accept the position and it’s not even verified that a real offer was given to Gruden; it’s just certain that they DID meet to talk about it.
Hub’s OPINION is that Gruden will most likely end up in Oakland. Hub has been wrong before so those of youn worried he WILL come can relax a bit as it may not happen.
A meeting DID TAKE PLACE.
>>>>
I’d do cartwheels if this is true and he came back. I just think its silly to EXPECT it to happen.
How many “Gruden to…” rumors ended up false?
December 8th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Everyone knows Manziel is winning the Heisman, but at 1 to 10 odds it’s really not worth the payoff, is it?
December 8th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
HC – Gruden
QB Coach’s – Gannon & Hackett
QB – Pryor
MLB – Manti
That may not spell instant success. In fact, I highly doubt it will. But I’ll tell you what it has in droves….. LEADERSHIP
That is a core group you can build around. Guys that can lead and make those around them better.
Im tired of not having leadership on this team.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Hell no! jarvis jones is a star. He has speed, hes strong, he tackles well, hes a dominant pass rusher, hes a leader, and a high energy guy. Hes going to be special trust me…. Burris misses a lot of tackles and blows coverage. Burris is a good spot play but I wouldnt want to depend on him for 16 games. Burris is a back up, jones is a von miller type factor.
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You are using a lot of “catch words” like “high energy” and “dominant pass rusher”
I just watched the tape of one game and saw none of that. Nothing stood out and made me go oooohhh or aaaaahhhh.
Granted, its only one games worth of plays. So its a small sample size. But the things I was looking for and didnt see should show up on nearly every play and they didnt with him.
Not impressed.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
You have your opinion I have mine. I like him we wont know till next year. But id draft him and put him with grant and wheeler.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Raider Riff Says:
But thats the beauty of a ZBS.
A 1st rd OT is no more valuable than a 3rd rounder in a ZBS.
It’s just a easier position to fill with the ZBS. The fact that we whiffed so hard on Briesel really is a outlier.===========================================
And Bergstrom? And Wiz? And Cooper and Veldheer played here under Cables ZBS and Hue ran a mix? Our guys must really suck or there’s something wrong with that bit of common wisdom. Since Palmer is very likely our QB next year, I sure would like to not be at the very bottom of the league in average time(in seconds) to throw.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/dennis-allen-plans-to-get-terrelle-pryor-some-playing-time/
Dennis Allen reads this blog??
+1 for Coach DA!
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I wont give him a +1 until he actually starts Pryor.
You need to play the kid to actually evaluate him. And he needs more than just a “package”.
Give him two games minimum. One to shake off the rust and another to show he can learn from mistakes and adjust from week to week.
Worst case scenario, we end up with a better draft pick. Best case scenario, we find out Pryor is worth continued development into our starter for 2014.
Other than that, what is the downside? Pryor will actually sell tickets. Palmer wont right now.
Baseball teams do this all the time once they are out of the race. Why DA is hanging on to this season is beyond me. It’s over. Start planning for 2013.
I really dont want Mark to be a meddling owner but damn, what choice is DA giving him? PLAY HOUDINI GODDAMITT!
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They better let TP practice with the first team offense. I remember that was an issue in the preseason. They gave him no reps. TP still had a decent preseason.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
O,
walter’sfootball mock draft has 3 OG going in rd 1.
The Alabama OG is projected at 15 because he is “special”.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
You watched 1 game… Enough said… Move along now.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
I’m with Riff on Jarvis Jones. Don’t see him as a difference maker at all.
The tough part is there’s not any great pass rushers in the draft or in free agency in my mind. We’re either going to have to find a diamond in the rough, maybe overpay for a guy like Cliff Avril, or it’s going to be another smoke and mirrors job.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
You have your opinion I have mine. I like him we wont know till next year. But id draft him and put him with grant and wheeler.
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Nothing wrong with an opinion. The draft is a crap shoot.
But youre using hyperbole to compare him to the greatest LB and arguably the second greatest player of all time. That’s ridiculous and you know it.
Watch this and tell me you see Lawrence Taylor anywhere on the field
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqor83DnzMg
He lands on a couple fumbles. Gets a couple coverage sacks. Those arent the plays Im keying in on. Im looking at the average plays. The common plays tell all.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Bergstrom needs to start the remainder of the season.
It’s a very bad sign that he couldn’t even get on the field when Willie Smith was getting eaten alive out there. However, we know this coaching staff is not very good at managing/utilizing the talent at its disposal, so who knows? But we need to find out.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Theres nothing special about him but hes a top 5 prospect…. -__-
December 8th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
In January there will be a lease extension announcement,..three years. So the team will be playing for sure through the 2016 season. And She is working extremely hard to secure a new Oakland stadium during that time. So, no Jon, which crushes me, but no immidiate threat of leaving Oakland either. Have faith in Reggie to improve the roster and DA hopefully learns to be a good HC,…I will once again talk to Reggie on the sidelines for KC,…but not about Gruden.
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Are you that cat on the sidelines 6 feet behind DA with the Yellow baseball cap on backwards?
December 8th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
You watched 1 game… Enough said… Move along now.Jackie Bibby Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
You watched 1 game… Enough said… Move along now.
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How much tape on Rolando would you need to see before you knew what you were getting?
December 8th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
In May of 1918, Hampton Smith, a 31 year old White plantation owner in Brooks County, Georgia, was shot and killed by one of his Black workers named Sydney Johnson. Hampton Smith was known for abusing and beating his workers to the point few people in the area would work for him. To solve this labor shortage, Smith turned to the debt peonage system of the day and found a ready labor pool. He used that system by bailing people out of jail, people typically arrested for petty offenses, who would then work off their debt to him on his plantation. Nineteen year old Sydney Johnson, arrested for “rolling dice” and fined thirty dollars, was one such person.
After a few days of work on Smith’s plantation, and shortly after being beaten by Smith for not working while he was sick, Sidney Johnson shot and killed Hampton Smith. What ensued after the shooting was a mob driven manhunt for Johnson and others thought to be involved in his decision to kill Hampton Smith. That manhunt lasted for more than a week and resulted in the deaths of at least 13 people, with some historical accounts suggesting a higher number of persons killed. One of the people killed was a woman named Mary Turner.
Twenty year-old Mary Turner, 8 months pregnant at the time and whose husband had been killed in this “lynching rampage” on Sunday, May 19th, made the mistake of publicly objecting to her husband’s murder. She also had the audacity to threaten to swear out warrants for those responsible. Those “unwise remarks,” as the area papers put it, enraged locals. Consequently, Mary Turner fled for her life only to be caught and taken to a place called Folsom’s Bridge on the Brooks and Lowndes Counties’ shared border. To punish her, at Folsom’s Bridge the mob tied Mary Turner by her ankles, hung her upside down from a tree, poured gasoline on her and burned off her clothes. One member of the mob then cut her stomach open and her unborn child dropped to the ground where it was reportedly stomped on and crushed. Her body was then riddled with gunfire from the mob. Later that night she and her baby were buried ten feet away from where they were murdered. The makeshift grave was marked with only a “whiskey bottle” with a “cigar” stuffed in its neck.
http://www.maryturner.org/
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Kell. what a heart warming story. Thank you for brining down what has been a very enjoyable blog the last couple days.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Theres nothing special about him but hes a top 5 prospect…. -__-
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Watch video on him and Lawrence Taylor back to back and then tell me again they are even close.
Heck, he’s not even in Von Miller’s league. Miller plays so much faster its not even debateable.
I dunno if youre just a Georgia fan or what. But there is no reason to get so emotionally attached to the guy that you would call him the “next Lawrence Taylor”.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Of course hes not lt I was exaggerating just for shock value but I do think he can play, and ok you want me to look at the plays when the ball isnt coming his way or hes out of the play? What I see he does his job and holds his water, and whenever he has a chance to make a play he does… But like I said you have your opinion I have mine.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Kell. what a heart warming story. Thank you for brining down what has been a very enjoyable blog the last couple days.
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Loser.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Of course hes not lt I was exaggerating just for shock value but I do think he can play,
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Fair enough. There’s nothing wrong with a retraction.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
O,
walter’sfootball mock draft has 3 OG going in rd 1.
The Alabama OG is projected at 15 because he is “special”.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Habibi,
I like walterfootball, it’s not facts, and those are predictions.
Facts: 11 OGs drafted in the 1st round in the last 10 years.
I’m not saying we should never draft an interior OL in the 1st, but not when we have so many needs. It’s about Value.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
I dont see what is so difficult about what Raider O is saying….
Fact #1 – We have MANY holes to fill
Fact #2 – Most of those holes are on defense
Fact #3 – If we are not trading our pick, then the guy MUST be an IMPACT player that also brings LEADERSHIP to the table
Fact #4 – as far as we know, we’re still going to run the ZBS next year
Fact #5 – Quality ZBS lineman can be found late
Fact #6 – O-Lineman are NOT the leaders of your football team despite their massive importance to the team
As far as we know, that Alabama OG that is so “special” is more suited for the PBS or MBS.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
A guard in the 1st round, and with the ZBS? Please, people. Why is this even being entertained.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Admittedly without knowing how their contracts are structured and thus not knowing what kind of cap hit we’d take for dumping them, these are the big salary guys who I’d let go or restructure (i.e. pay cut) after the season:
CUT
- Seymour: I think if he wants to keep playing he should go to a team primed to make a run that’s loaded on defense where he could play part time. Maybe SF. Don’t see him holding up and playing at a high level full-time anymore, but I could see him being valuable to a competitive team as a guy who plays half the snaps.
- Brisiel: Probably the most obvious cut, after McClain. Terrible signing.
- McClain: No explanation needed. I said coming out of college he had bust written all over him. Media praised the pick.
- Lechler: I’d have him on the bring back for less list, but I doubt we could bring him back for much less. I love Shane. He’ll always be a Raider. But hasn’t looked like his usual self this year. Not worth tying up $4-5 million for anymore.
BRING BACK FOR LESS, IF NOT, CUT:
- Branch: I think he’s overrated. I think Mike Mitchell can be as good or better for a fraction of the cost. Tempted to just say cut him and let Mitchell take over at this point. Too many blown coverages and poor angles.
- TK: I think TK can still bring it, I really do. I think he takes some plays off though, is up there in age and with younger guys like Houston, Shaughnessy and Bryant he’s expendable. But I also think that when motivated he can be one of the more disruptive interior line players in the league. He’s making $8 mil this year. Cut that figure in half and I’d have him back.
- DHB: He’s due something like $7-8 mil next year. I like him at $2-3 mil to contribute and compete alongside Streater, Moore and Ford. Had a 975 yard season last year when Hue used him properly. But he’s not worth borderline star WR money. With the ball in his hands he’s a scary guy for defenses to deal with. The trouble is him getting the ball in his hands and in a position where he can use his ability. Too many drops and poor technique simply catching the ball. Better hands/ball skills and he could be a T.O. in his prime caliber threat.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Fact #1 – We have MANY holes to fill
True. OG is ONE of MANY
Fact #2 – Most of those holes are on defense
Except the ones on offense.
Fact #3 – If we are not trading our pick, then the guy MUST be an IMPACT player that also brings LEADERSHIP to the table
OT is an impact position if we stay in the top 5.
Fact #4 – as far as we know, we’re still going to run the ZBS next year
We’ve been running a mix of power for weeks now. And ZBS has nothing to do with pass blocking.
Fact #5 – Quality ZBS lineman can be found late.
GREAT ZBS lineman can be found in rd 1.
Fact #6 – O-Lineman are NOT the leaders of your football team despite their massive importance to the team.
Agreed, for the most part.
December 8th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
As far as we know, that Alabama OG that is so “special” is more suited for the PBS or MBS.
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If you are dominant, scheme doesn’t matter.
Big HOG with a high football IQ????
I’ll take him!
December 8th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Why is this even being entertained.
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Really????
You like Carlisle next year, or keeping Briesel?
IF we trade down to around 15, who would you take? The 5th best DE or 4th ranked DT??
I’ll entertain taking the #1 player available at a position of need.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
I’m not undecided.I’m a hell no!
December 8th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
1251,
GDOG,
Yes. I’m with you on that.
I followed the Tennessee/Gruden saga closely for 2 months.
The 8th Maxim (a Vol site) said “I was apprehensive for quite some time about making this announcement, but I am fully confident enough at this time to make the following declaration that Jon Gruden has accepted an offer to become the next head coach at the University of Tennessee. 10 yr’s at 50 mill. An announcement will be made shortly following the team’s final game against Kentucky”.
This “announcement” started a firestorm, with people saying they had documents proving Grudens kids had enrolled at Webb Academy in Knoxville, as well as guys saying they were texted by realtors saying they were showing houses to the Grudens in Knoxville.
Even a few media outlets reported it was happening. A Memphis tv station reported Gruden had a contract “in hand”, and finally a Chattanooga newspaper ran a story saying an announcement “was imminent”.
After the newspaper article Grudens agant finally had to come out and deny the runor saying that people were “living in a fantasy world” and there was “absolutely no truth whatsoever to the rumor and further stating “Jon Gruden remains committed to his job at ESPN” and that “I have not even spoken to ANYBODY from the University of Tennessee until this morning”. Apparently the AD at Tennessee had called Grudens agent to apologize for the rumors and to assure him that none of the rumors came from anyone at UT.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
I like you list Chris.
I believe Seymour is a FA after this season.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
I’m not undecided.I’m a hell no!
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Yeah, I chimed in as a NO vote too.
Need better players and a replacement for Knapp.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Is Bergstrom a G or T for this team?????
December 8th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
JHill,
Theres a good chance that the ZBS will be a scheme we can’t even use next season.
The rules committee is going to talk about eliminating blocks below the waist; which is a key component to the ZBS.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
yes – Coach456
no – Plunketthead
yes – Carl Weathers
yes – Oakfshow
yes – The Big Banana
no – Seymour Bush
yes – Kiwi_Blade
yes – Big Pep
no – RaiderRockStar
yes – dDwight
no – Lefty12
no – J Hill
undecided – Kell
undecided – Morrilla
52 – 18
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 8th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Is Bergstrom a G or T for this team?????
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Nobody knows.
His natural position is G.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
1103’s ’source’ claiming Gruden is a dead deal is actually reason why it’s still on. After all the angst having had a leak come out that Jon and Mark have been talking, they’re not going to tell any fan about continuing developments. Just deny deny.
McKenzie would want Gruden, a better HC, not just Mark. The issue is McKenzie and Gruden being able to work together on personnel decisions. McKenzie wants it all, Gruden wants it all.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Veldheer
Bergstrom
Wiz
Nix
1st rd pick
good point DJ about the ZBS rules, DJ. And we implemented more “power” stuff after the bye week.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
He played tackle in college
December 8th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Fact #1 – We have MANY holes to fill
True. OG is ONE of MANY
Fact #2 – Most of those holes are on defense
Except the ones on offense.
Fact #3 – If we are not trading our pick, then the guy MUST be an IMPACT player that also brings LEADERSHIP to the table
OT is an impact position if we stay in the top 5.
Fact #4 – as far as we know, we’re still going to run the ZBS next year
We’ve been running a mix of power for weeks now. And ZBS has nothing to do with pass blocking.
Fact #5 – Quality ZBS lineman can be found late.
GREAT ZBS lineman can be found in rd 1.
Fact #6 – O-Lineman are NOT the leaders of your football team despite their massive importance to the team.
Agreed, for the most part.
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Obviously lineman are important, arguing whether they are “impact” or not is semantics.
But you show me the last time a G made a play to change the course of a game dramatically? Thats right, they are NOT impact players.
And furthermore, they arent LEADERS. Its well known we need both. So why would you agrue with point #3?
ZBS lineman are usually of the smaller breed. Why you want a “big hog” is beyond me.
It really doesnt matter which scheme we go with next year. Like O said, its about value due to our circumstances. There isnt much more to it than that.
Either we believe Mati is the next Ray Lewis or we trade down. I dont care if we are passing up the next Steve Wizniewski 1.0. We just have too many holes to fill.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
He played tackle in college
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It was pointed out a few days ago on here that he was better suited to play guard at this level. Someone broke it down pretty well. I took their word for it.
Something about not being big enough to play RT in the NFL and using his stature and speed to be a good pulling guard is more natural to his body type and skill set at the NFL level.
Whatever the case, the coaches no better than us. It’s just alarming that he hasnt played more and that they havent really found him a position yet.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
But you show me the last time a G made a play to change the course of a game dramatically? Thats right, they are NOT impact players.
And furthermore, they arent LEADERS. Its well known we need both. So why would you agrue with point #3?
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I’m not sure why you included this point in the first place.
NO ONE said draft an OG with a top 5 pick.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
But you show me the last time a G made a play to change the course of a game dramatically? Thats right, they are NOT impact players.
And furthermore, they arent LEADERS. Its well known we need both. So why would you agrue with point #3?
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I’m not sure why you included this point in the first place.
NO ONE said draft an OG with a top 5 pick.
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My bad.
Youre saying no OG in top 5, which we are likely to get
If we trade down though, you would then consider a top flight OG over a 2nd/3rd tier DE or MLB or CB?
I guess I see the rationale.
Man, this is such a crappy draft to trade down out of. Reggie has his work cut out for him.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
The only way I don’t see Junior coaching the Raiders is if he gets a college offer. This could be a possible scenario: David Shaw gets hired to replace Turner in SD, Stanford offers Junior the job, he accepts it and takes Tarver with him.
With the Raiders job opened, I could see a Gruden coming in, but Jay not chokey, which BTW could be better then chokey, and definitely better than Junior and Krappy put together.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Why you want a “big hog” is beyond me.
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Really? LMAO!
December 8th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Saying Guards don’t make game changing,impact plays isn’t entirely true.When a G pancakes someone and opens a hole you could drive a truck through letting the RB make a huge gain or even a TD run that is an impact play.The RB may get credit but it is made possible by the guys up front.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
If we trade down though, you would then consider a top flight OG over a 2nd/3rd tier DE or MLB or CB?
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Yes Sir.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Gruden = yes
December 8th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
I’d like to see the best player in his position group of NT, OT, or DE/OLB with our top 3 pick. In that order.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Saying Guards don’t make game changing,impact plays isn’t entirely true.When a G pancakes someone and opens a hole you could drive a truck through letting the RB make a huge gain or even a TD run that is an impact play.The RB may get credit but it is made possible by the guys up front.
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Of course.
But you know what I meant. We need a safety that wont drop the ball when he has the opportunity to take Manning for a pick 6 and bring the house down.
We need a real game changer. A guy that Wheeler knows will make a great play if he just does his job and doesnt hold the TE. Nobody wants to be the guy that gets a pick 6 called back. But none of our roll players expect that to happen either.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
If we trade down to get a #2, I’d go OG or S.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
yes – Coach456
no – Plunketthead
yes – Carl Weathers
yes – Oakfshow
yes – The Big Banana
no – Seymour Bush
yes – Kiwi_Blade
yes – Big Pep
no – RaiderRockStar
yes – dDwight
no – Lefty12
no – J Hill
yes – C2E
undecided – Kell
undecided – Morrilla
53 – 18
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 8th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
I’d like to see the best player in his position group of NT, OT, or DE/OLB with our top 3 pick. In that order.
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You just said “no one said take a OG with our top 5 pick” and in this post you would take a OT with a top 3 pick if their was no NT available.
Im confused. Those statements contradict themselves.
On another note, are you not sold on Manti?
December 8th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
I’m all for upgrading the talent around Palmer.
Streater and Criner will be MUCH better next year. We’ll have a better OC and plan of attack.
HAVE to protect Palmer better from the RT position.
Do we have a shot at the FA Long at OT?
December 8th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
If we trade down to get a #2, I’d go OG or S.
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So I take it youre DONE with Branch and Huffy?
December 8th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
I’m all for upgrading the talent around Palmer.
Streater and Criner will be MUCH better next year. We’ll have a better OC and plan of attack.
HAVE to protect Palmer better from the RT position.
Do we have a shot at the FA Long at OT?
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Jake Long from the Dolphins?
He’s going to be EXPENSIVE and he’s a LT I think.
We’d have to dump a ton of salary to make that happen.
As big of a fan as I am of Palmer, a mobile QB can make our line a bit better by just subbing in Pryor. Lets not forget, as good as Gannon’s line was, Gannon would run for at least 2 first downs a game with his feet and he kept numerous plays alive.
Our pass protection woes might have a cure and he’s already on the roster. Just sayin’.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Draft priorities for the umpteenth time…
switch to 3-4
NT, LT, C, CB x2, ILB x2, OLB x2 (like 4-3 DEs), S x2, RT
we have enough QBs, WRs, TEs, RBs, to make do, and can top up with FAs and UDFAs.
Houston-Bryant the 3-4 DEs.
NT need the biggest baddest mo’fo with a motor.
LT if there’s a marquee one in the first round, we switch Veldheer to RT and problem solved on the right.
If there isn’t a marquee LT, then keep Veldheer at LT, and draft a 5-7th round RT.
Center needs to come in the 2nd-3rd round, best available left on the board after we take NT and/or LT.
Got to trade as many players as we can get picks for.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
I agree with j Hill’s positions of need,but I’d go in reverse order-DE/OLB,Oline,NT.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Yes, I would take an Offensive Tackle with our top 3-5 pick. I think we could get the best player at that position with that draft choice. I’d prefer that NT Star – forgot his last name, but I think he’ll be gone. OT would be next up for me if we stay put.
I’d consider an offensive guard at around 15. Same with a MLB.
Not sold on the position of MLB that high. No to 1 good year of Manti.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Why you want a “big hog” is beyond me.
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Really? LMAO!
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It all depends on what scheme we run.
And more importantly, what the NFL does with the rules regarding cut blocks and stuff like that.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Guarantee you LB will not be taken in the first 2 rounds. McKenzie actually has a good track record of finding ILB gems in the mid-late rounds, and UDFA.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
I like Huff.
I think we can do more with that $ though. Ross looked good enough for me to want to see more. I thought Underwood looked GREAT in the preseason. Was very disappointed he got hurt.
Was NEVER a fan a Branch. Mitchell can have his spot.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Yes, I would take an Offensive Tackle with our top 3-5 pick. I think we could get the best player at that position with that draft choice. I’d prefer that NT Star – forgot his last name, but I think he’ll be gone. OT would be next up for me if we stay put.
I’d consider an offensive guard at around 15. Same with a MLB.
Not sold on the position of MLB that high. No to 1 good year of Manti.
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OK. Im going to assume your lack of faith in Manti has a lot to do with this. Which is fair for the simple fact that no draft pick is a sure thing.
But if we miss on him and he’s a dominant leader for someone else, we’re going to be killing ourselves for it.
He fits the criteria of needs across the board…
Leader… we need one
Position…. we need a MLB
December 8th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
GG Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Guarantee you LB will not be taken in the first 2 rounds. McKenzie actually has a good track record of finding ILB gems in the mid-late rounds, and UDFA.
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Great point.
Some of the best LB’s in the league the last decade or so were not “blue chippers”
Like I said, Reggie has his work cut out for him.
Unless he absolutely feels Manti is a cant miss, I dont see how he doesnt trade down to the 2nd round.
JHill, do you see a RT prospect that you think is worth spending the top 5 pick on?
December 8th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
As big of a fan as I am of Palmer, a mobile QB can make our line a bit better by just subbing in Pryor. Lets not forget, as good as Gannon’s line was, Gannon would run for at least 2 first downs a game with his feet and he kept numerous plays alive.
Our pass protection woes might have a cure and he’s already on the roster. Just sayin’.
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This is a point that gets overlooked all the time on this blog. Just being able to scramble for a first down once in awhile would be huge.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
I agree with j Hill’s positions of need,but I’d go in reverse order-DE/OLB,Oline,NT.
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Do you have a DE in mind?
A cant-miss, worth-the-top 5-pick, leader, impact player?
December 8th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
It wouldn’t surprise me if we didn’t go Oline early.A lot will depend on how Berg looks from here on out.We need someone who can get after the QB-either DE or OLB.Put some pressure on the QB and the LBers and DBs look better.It also leads to more take-aways.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
by just subbing in Pryor.
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If Pryor can play, get him in there. We could do a lot with that 17 million owed to Palmer and the draft pick we could get from the Jets like teams out there.
But Palmer can throw the ball. He COULD be better with better talent around him. No doubt in my mind.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
As big of a fan as I am of Palmer, a mobile QB can make our line a bit better by just subbing in Pryor. Lets not forget, as good as Gannon’s line was, Gannon would run for at least 2 first downs a game with his feet and he kept numerous plays alive.
Our pass protection woes might have a cure and he’s already on the roster. Just sayin’.
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This is a point that gets overlooked all the time on this blog. Just being able to scramble for a first down once in awhile would be huge.
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It doesnt get overlooked as much as its just a backlash to all the racist rants of mistic. Thats why I say, he does more harm than good with his cause.
Many wouldnt be so quick to concede the benefits of a mobile QB if it didnt make us appear to be on the Mistic bandwagon.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Jake Long from the Dolphins?
He’s going to be EXPENSIVE and he’s a LT I think.
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10 million a year should get it done.
Move Veldheer to RT.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
by just subbing in Pryor.
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If Pryor can play, get him in there. We could do a lot with that 17 million owed to Palmer and the draft pick we could get from the Jets like teams out there.
But Palmer can throw the ball. He COULD be better with better talent around him. No doubt in my mind
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We all agree there.
But even when our Line was at its best, Gannon still had to make plays with his feet.
Palmer is too stationary for our lack of talent at the moment. I agree, Palmer has the potential to have a NFL MVP season with the way he came into this season. But the facts are, he needs the help around him and he doesnt have it. So lets just face that fact and move on.
I dont see this teams O-Line and WR core getting that much better next year considering the MAJOR work needed on the defensive side.
Especially if we change OC’s yet again. How many will that be for DHB and the rest of the kids? It’s no wonder they havent developed when they are constantly adjusting to new schemes and QB changes is it not?
December 8th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Fact #1 – We have MANY holes to fill
Fact #2 – Most of those holes are on defense
Fact #3 – If we are not trading our pick, then the guy MUST be an IMPACT player that also brings LEADERSHIP to the table
Fact #4 – as far as we know, we’re still going to run the ZBS next year
Fact #5 – Quality ZBS lineman can be found late
Fact #6 – O-Lineman are NOT the leaders of your football team despite their massive importance to the team
As far as we know, that Alabama OG that is so “special” is more suited for the PBS or MBS.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Well said.
Fact #7: 11 OGs drafted in the 1st round in the last 10 years should tell you all you need to know about value and impact.
I can’t believe OG os such s hot topic.
You People….
December 8th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
No I don’t,Riff.I don’t claim to know the top prospects in the draft.I’ll let others do that.I just look at the team and see where IMO we need the most help.You and others know a lot more than I do about specific players.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
JHill, do you see a RT prospect that you think is worth spending the top 5 pick on?
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Veldheer to RT if we spend atop 5 pick on an OT.
December 8th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Kind of ironic that the Gruden poll is at 52-16 right now, since that’s pretty much what the final score of most of our games has looked like.
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LOL!
December 8th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Jake Long from the Dolphins?
He’s going to be EXPENSIVE and he’s a LT I think.
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10 million a year should get it done.
Move Veldheer to RT.
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Ok, lets look at that scenario.
LT – Long @ 10 million
LG – Wiz
C – Draft (because we just spent our wad on our T position)
RG – Bergs
RT – Veldheer
You really comfortable with a rookie center?
December 8th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Is such a ….
December 8th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
JHill, do you see a RT prospect that you think is worth spending the top 5 pick on?
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Veldheer to RT if we spend atop 5 pick on an OT.
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Do you have a LT in mind?
December 8th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
I say no
December 8th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Especially if we change OC’s yet again. How many will that be for DHB and the rest of the kids? It’s no wonder they havent developed when they are constantly adjusting to new schemes and QB changes is it not?
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This does not excuse not being able to seperate, dropping passes, and just generally sucking.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
No I don’t,Riff.I don’t claim to know the top prospects in the draft.I’ll let others do that.I just look at the team and see where IMO we need the most help.You and others know a lot more than I do about specific players.
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I dont know the college players at all either.
That’s why Im open to suggestions so I can go look up some games on them and then put in my two cents.
So far, only Manti fits the mold for what we are looking for IMO.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
It doesnt get overlooked as much as its just a backlash to all the racist rants of mistic. Thats why I say, he does more harm than good with his cause.
Many wouldnt be so quick to concede the benefits of a mobile QB if it didnt make us appear to be on the Mistic bandwagon.
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So Mistic was right all along????
December 8th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Especially if we change OC’s yet again. How many will that be for DHB and the rest of the kids? It’s no wonder they havent developed when they are constantly adjusting to new schemes and QB changes is it not?
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This does not excuse not being able to seperate, dropping passes, and just generally sucking.
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Agreed.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Bo Jackson 30 for 30 is about to start.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
I don’t have any names for you either, Riff.
There are a some good “scouts” amongst the Semi’s, so you’ll start to see some names soon.
I look at the top picks on the popular mock drafts and read their snippets.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
It doesnt get overlooked as much as its just a backlash to all the racist rants of mistic. Thats why I say, he does more harm than good with his cause.
Many wouldnt be so quick to concede the benefits of a mobile QB if it didnt make us appear to be on the Mistic bandwagon.
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So Mistic was right all along????
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Mistic supports Pryor because he is black
The rest of us support Pryor because he is mobile
There’s a big difference.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
yes – Coach456
no – Plunketthead
yes – Carl Weathers
yes – Oakfshow
yes – The Big Banana
no – Seymour Bush
yes – Kiwi_Blade
yes – Big Pep
no – RaiderRockStar
yes – dDwight
no – Lefty12
no – J Hill
yes – C2E
no – Silverandblack666
undecided – Kell
undecided – Morrilla
53 – 19
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 8th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
check out nfldraftscout.com, Riff.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Johnny Football just won the Heisman.
So, if by any chance that Mark decides to follow the instructions Al left him prior to his death, then we are drafting him in a couple years.
I think it’s safe to say that Mark tossed those instructions in the trash a long time ago.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Mistic supports Pryor because he is black
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Mistic was on record as saying Pryor was no good. Didn’t support him at all initially. Until the big preseason game, he got on board.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
check out nfldraftscout.com, Riff.
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I like to read those reports just like the next person. But I dont care for em too much.
I prefer to watch the tape and let the play on the field tell the story.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Great for football that the freshman won it.
He balled this year.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
LT in their prime don’t usually hit FA unless they have issues (injury, attitude, etc..).
December 8th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Don’t have that kinda time to watch these guys.
Need the cliff note version, lol.
I watched a few of the players talked about in here last week.
No o EJ Manuel.
No the Jarvis Jones.
No to the UCLA DE/OLB.
Yes to any of the Alabama OL studs.
USCs WRs are welcome.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Jim add me to tehe YES on GRU for HC…
December 8th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
O,
Long is owed 17 million next year if the Dolphins franchise him.
That would be the exception to “usually”.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
DUMP THE KLOWN KOACH KADRE!!
December 8th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
I don’t understand what motivates some people to be Raider fans..if in fact some of you really are.
It seems..no it’s obvious, that some just delight in poo-pooing anything that most would consider “good news” as it concerns Raiders.
I think some actually WANT a long, painful rebuild and totally resist any suggestion that we can get better.
I outline what how the Rams had a similar situation to ours, going 7-9 to 2-14 and how they turned it around in a yr. and that not only didn’t encourage anyone it pizzed em off and I hear every reason in the world how it CAN’T happen with us.
It’s like “how dare you even suggest that anything good or positive can or will happen to this team. We suck and will continue to suck no matter what anybody says”. It’s always worst case scenario and they can’t stand any Raider fans having any sort of optimism. Maybe it’s a reflection of their miserable lives that can’t stand to dare to have any joy or optimism.
They will go into great detail in discounting any perceived achievement on behalf of the team and can’t wait to try and pee in everybodys soup.
Thank goodness we have some fans who try and look at things and accept it, and then look for reasons to have a little bit of optimism.
I love the “Sorry guys, but we’re gonna suck for a looong time” as if they are the end all be all authority on the “reality” of football.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Johnny Football is the man!!!
Johnny Football!!!!
Too bad I don’t think he is going to be a quality NFL QB due to his weak arm, but I hope I’m wrong.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Manziel = Colt McCoy v2
December 8th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
At least there wont be an ESPN Gruden QB Camp next year with Manuel, Manziel, Smith, etc
December 8th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
DJ Johnny
I thought your post was spot on.
Just for the record, it was a great example. Our staff plain and simple dropped the ball. For numerous reasons, but excuses like trash start stinking after awhile
December 8th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Bo on ESPN.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
DJ,the Rams are loaded with top 5 picks.Most of the so called experts expected them to do well this year.However,I tend to agree with most of what you just wrote.However,if the context was about Chuckie and you can’t understand why many aren’t in favor of his return that is just our opinion.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
O,
Long is owed 17 million next year if the Dolphins franchise him.
That would be the exception to “usually”.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I like the idea, but I don’t think we can sign big name FAs like him due to our cap situation.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Regardless of how the Gruden thing works out, i’ll take a positive away that it shows that Mark is willing to look into ways to vastly improve this team and will explore every angle. I had doubts about that at first, but i’m convinced that is the case now.
As much as i’d love a return of Chucky to the sidelines i don’t think he’s accepted the “offer” that I believe was either made or inferred.
I DO believe a meeting took place and it shows Mark will not just stand by idly and let us flounder with no direction or hope.
We’ll see how DA does, and i hope he succeeds if he remains the guy at HC.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Seymour and his 15 million is coming off the books.
55’s 4 million.
Branch could very well be cut too. Can’t see him and Huff coming back.
I think we could give Long a 10 million a year type offer.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
While you see Mark getting involved like his father always was as something positive,I see it as a negative.He hired someone who was highly recommended by advisors he trusted.He should sit back,let the man do his job and not act like a fan and make snap judgements.If after an extended time it isn’t working,then he makes changes.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
yes – Coach456
no – Plunketthead
yes – Carl Weathers
yes – Oakfshow
yes – The Big Banana
no – Seymour Bush
yes – Kiwi_Blade
yes – Big Pep
no – RaiderRockStar
yes – dDwight
no – Lefty12
no – J Hill
yes – C2E
no – Silverandblack666
yes – Tuckrulefool
undecided – Kell
undecided – Morrilla
54 – 19
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 8th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
I really like RB Michael Dyer. He broke Bo’s freshman record at Auburn. He is very talented, but has off the field issues which will cost him.
I would draft him if he was available in the 3rd or 4th.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
So what’s up with this Taiwan to CB talk?
December 8th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
J Hill,I watched a couple of Miami games and it is possible he is falling out of favor because his play has fallen off dramatically.One of the announcers mentioned his play has gotten worse yearly.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Raider O Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
O,
Long is owed 17 million next year if the Dolphins franchise him.
That would be the exception to “usually”.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I like the idea, but I don’t think we can sign big name FAs like him due to our cap situation.
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I don’t think the cap situation is that bad next year. I don’t know all the particulars, but there aren’t many guys on this team making big money who are likely to make big money.
Seymour and TK have pretty hefty salaries and both may be gone. If we could save enough on just those two guys against the cap we could use the money on Long.
I’m not necessarliy saying we should do that. I haven’t watched Long closely or know what his health situation is, but if we wanted to we should be able to go after a guy like that.
There are also guys like McClain and DHB with significant salaries. McClain is surely gone. DHB won’t make the $7.5 or whatever he’s due. Lechler’s contract is expiring. The fact we stashed King on IR tells you Lechler is likely going and he’s been making like $4-5 mil I believe.
Reggie (or Gruden) should have plenty of room to maneuver this off-season.
NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 8th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Seymour and his 15 million is coming off the books.
55’s 4 million.
Branch could very well be cut too. Can’t see him and Huff coming back.
I think we could give Long a 10 million a year type offer.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
-We have too many needs, so I doubt we will
spend $10 on one player.
-I don’t think we can compete with other teams Intetested in his services with better salary cap situations.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Bo is one of my favorite Raiders. I have his jersey.
225+ pounds RB who can run a 4.2 40!!! FREAK!!
I miss AL.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
J Hill Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
So what’s up with this Taiwan to CB talk?
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Taiwan is open to it.
He seems to have found a serious niche in covering punts.
The very fact that he’s into it tells you that he isnt as mad at the coaching staff as some here would like us to believe.
I never thought he was in a “dog house”. He had broken ribs earlier in the year and I know first hand how painful that is and how slowly they heal.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
DJ,the Rams are loaded with top 5 picks.Most of the so called experts expected them to do well this year.However,I tend to agree with most of what you just wrote.However,if the context was about Chuckie and you can’t understand why many aren’t in favor of his return that is just our opinion.
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Thx. Lefty you are not of the “soup pee-ers” and I know you try to remain optimisitc.
My point on the Rams I made outlined how they became loaded with talent.
By trading their 2nd pick in the draft, they acquired two later 1st rounders who are making immediate impact. Their other picks were solid as well and they didn’t make a ton of free agent moves but the ones they did make were very good.
Michael Brockers, DT, LSU- Immediate Impact
Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State-Not yet
Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama-Starting CB-Solid
Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati-No impact yet…due to Steven Jackson taking all the snaps.
Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana-Starting corner. Rave reviews so far
Chris Givens, WR, Wake Forest- Avg. 27 ypcatch. The deep threat they were looking for.
Free Agents-Rams 2012
-Cortland Finnegan-5 yrs 50 million-SOLID
-Scott Wells C from GB- Grades as an “A” signing
-Kendall Langford 4 yr’s 24 mill. DT from Miami. Fills desperate need they had on D line.
Rams dumped 24 players from roster that are no longer in league.
5-6-1 and rising…just beat the team that is arguably best in NFC.
Most experts that I saw had them pegged for 4-12 or 5-11.
December 8th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Raider O Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Bo is one of my favorite Raiders. I have his jersey.
225+ pounds RB who can run a 4.2 40!!! FREAK!!
I miss AL.
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4.12 40 wasnt it?
December 8th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 8th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Regardless of how the Gruden thing works out, i’ll take a positive away that it shows that Mark is willing to look into ways to vastly improve this team and will explore every angle. I had doubts about that at first, but i’m convinced that is the case now.
As much as i’d love a return of Chucky to the sidelines i don’t think he’s accepted the “offer” that I believe was either made or inferred.
I DO believe a meeting took place and it shows Mark will not just stand by idly and let us flounder with no direction or hope.
We’ll see how DA does, and i hope he succeeds if he remains the guy at HC.
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At the very worst it might have opened up the complacency in coaching. The goal line call to McF was a thing of beauty and something missing entirely this season with Knapps insipid play calling. The team as a whole seemed more fired up on Thurs also. Was it coaching or just not wanting to stink out loud on national tv? I’m guessing a little of both. DA needs to coach with his hair on fire for here on out if its true Gruden is eyeballing his job. I don’t think he cared one way or another before… he seemed to be coaching like his job was VERY secure. A rookie mistake on McK part??