Commissioner Goodell fields questions about Raiders, NFL
By Steve Corkran
Sunday, December 9th, 2012 at 12:40 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders don’t resume practice until Monday. In the interim, here’s the transcript from a 6 1/2-minute question-and-answer session with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.
Naturally, Goodell had some interesting things to say about the Raiders stadium issue. The Raiders current lease expires after the 2013 season. As of now, the most likely scenario involves the Raiders extending the lease while they continue to find a long-term solution.
Here’s the entire transcript:
Q: What message does it send to rest of league that Alex Smith loses job after concussion?
Goodell: “That it’s about safety first. Competitiveness is not going to be the number one driver. It’s going to be safety. When someone gets injured those are medical decisions and those have to be made by the medical professionals. The football decisions are made later when a player is healthy. That’s what the 49ers have done.”
Q: Concerned player might hide concussion?
Goodell: “I hope not and I don’t expect they will.”
Q: Concerned player might hide concussion
Goodell: “That’s always been a challenge for us making sure players self-report. It’s not that simple. You have to have a good teammate next to him if he’s not right. We have ATC spotters watching from upstairs who can spot when somebody has had an impact that made lead to a concussion so they can be evaluated. You want to make sure they are all evaluated properly and that the right decisions are made from a medical standpoint.”
Q: Will competition committee look at replacing kickoffs with 4th and 15 from 30?
Goodell: “The competition committee will consider it. It was something (Buccaneers coach) Greg Schiano came up with when he was coach at Rutgers. I asked about it at a dinner we were having, had he had any ideas about the kickoff. That was something he had given a great deal of thought to. I thought it was an interesting idea. The committee will look at it.”
Q: What do you like about that?
Goodell: “I think it is very interesting. I think it is worth considering.”
Q: What is there that you and the league can do to help the Raiders work out something to where they’re able to remain in Oakland? We talked to you a couple years ago, have they closed that gap? Seen any progress?
Goodell: “I think the first thing is, we now have a new collective bargaining agreement since we spoke, and I think that collective bargaining agreement in and of itself will be helpful because it does a great job of making sure the economics are balanced among all 32 teams and of course the players. And we also have got a new stadium funding mechanism in there that the league can provide up to $200 million of financing to a new stadium project. I think those are very significant changes and should be helpful, yes.”
Q: So, the fact that the 49ers …
Goodell: “And we’re seeing it. We’re seeing it with the 49ers, we’re seeing it in Minnesota, Atlanta’s making a lot of progress. I’d go back and tell you also the 10-year labor agreement. When you have that kind of certainty for 10 years it should be very helpful in getting these projects done.”
Q: There’s a lot of speculation about the Raiders possibly moving to Los Angeles. Where does the Los Angeles situation stand in terms of a team?
Goodell: “Basically where we’ve been. Unfortunately we’re still looking to make sure we have a stadium solution. It all comes down to a stadium solution. And if we can find the right kind of stadium solution, we’ll work on a team at that point.”
Q: Why is a stadium most important to keeping the team here?
Goodell: “Because it’s our stage. It’s part of where we present our game. It’s the biggest part. And it’s also really important to the fan experience. Having full stadiums is critical for us. We want to have our fans in the stadium, we want to make sure they have the best facilities, we want to make sure the teams can generate enough revenue to be successful and competitive.”
Q: When do you expect a ruling from former commissioner Paul Tagliabue on the bounty case?
Goodell: “That’s up to him.”
Q: In light of the Jovan Belcher situation, you mentioned there’s a program in this area. What about for teams at their own facility to avoid a situation like Kansas City?
Goodell: “Sure, that’s where the programs are really executed. We have player development directors on each team, they implement the programs that we do across all 32 teams, and we have to continue to look for new programs. I think this program we announced this summer on mental health will be a big help with that. Again it’s about getting access for players with families to identify issues and make sure they’re properly treated, and that can be a very positive change.”
Q: See two teams in the 49ers stadium?
Goodell: “The priority is what the community and the team work out. I think it’s a great benefit that there’s a stadium across the bay that’s going to be a state of the art facility. That’s terrific. So that’s an option if this community and the Raiders choose that. But that’s a decision they have to make. We the league are prepared to help fund facilities. And we’ll continue to do what we can to make sure our teams stay in their communities.”
Q: Will the NFL be involved in determining who moves to Los Angeles?
Goodell: “Ultimately that’s a league decision, takes 24 of the 32 teams to vote on any relocation.”
Q: Would the NFL be open to providing financial assistance for a stadium twice in the same area?
Goodell: “What do you mean? In what sense?”
Q: Providing $200 million to the Raiders situation after doing so for the 49ers new stadium?
Goodell: “Yes, we would do that. That’s not something that’s prohibited in the policy. We wouldn’t look at that as double dipping. We’d look at that as getting stages built in the community and we want to continue to do that.”
Q: What’s the problem in Oakland?
Goodell: “You all are closer to it than I am. I think people want to make sure the Raiders are here and want to make sure they do the right things, there are a lot of priorities in communities these days and those have to be balanced by the leadership both the public sector and the private sector. These are complicated issues and they have to be done intelligently so that they address community needs but they also work with the team long term.”
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December 9th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Dam, wish we had a game today.
December 9th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Screw trading down. We need to get someone like Teo, Moore or Werner. If you want more picks later in the draft, trade away Dmac for them.
December 9th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
If you build it, they will come.
December 9th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Plunketthead,
The better question to ask is even if they could prove the son did it, why would they?
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They wrote books about everything else. I think someone already wrote a book saying he did it. It would be hard to prove he did it but it might not be hard to prove he could have done it
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Read posts # 1544 and #1545
December 9th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Dang the chargers and the Panthers are picking up their games and kicking butt today
December 9th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Shutdown Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
The reason the leather glove “didn’t fit”?
Look at OJ, “trying” to put it on, fingers splayed out.
1) Ever try to put on a leather glove while your fingers are splayed out?
2) Ever try to put on a leather glove with a latex glove on your hand?
3) Ever try to put on a leather glove with a latex glove on your hand AND your fingers splayed?
4) And, let us never forget….trying to put on your leather glove after it’s gotten wet (whether by water or blood or spilled wine or water) is impossible. Leather gloves shrink after getting wet.
That whole “glove doesn’t fit” think was ludicrous. J. Cochran simply gave what only bigots thought was a plausible “if it don’t fit, you must acquit.”
The glove, unshriveled from wetness, was the size of OJ’s hand.
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So, regardless of my account…..
And regardless of the investigation of the PI that has now come to light…..
And regardless of the various members of this blog that also had heard the same theories about the son doing it….
And despite the well known fact that the police had to tamper with the evidence, which fvcked up the prosecution in the first place…..
Youre sticking to your belief that it was OJ because leather gloves shrink when wet?
Well, I tried giving you the benefit of the doubt. But like I said, people have their minds made up about OJ and they arent going to change it. The son could come out and admit it himself and people would still hate on OJ. SMH.
December 9th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Hate goodell..
We need to draft talented nateral born leaders.. as many as we can. Trading back might be the way to go. Or maybe theres a special player/leader at the top of the draft.. its gonna be on our coaches to dig into these players backgrounds we can’t have another jawalrus..
December 9th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Im so sick of Roger Goodell.
Just when we were finally getting rid of David Stern, now we got this smug prick to meddle with football for the next 20 years.
December 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Scouts not coaches..
December 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Marks Hair Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Hate goodell..
We need to draft talented nateral born leaders.. as many as we can. Trading back might be the way to go. Or maybe theres a special player/leader at the top of the draft.. its gonna be on our coaches to dig into these players backgrounds we can’t have another jawalrus..
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Agreed entirely.
I really dont care what Reggie does. Take Moore or trade down.
Just dont miss. We cant afford it.
December 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
And despite the well known fact that the police had to tamper with the evidence, which fvcked up the prosecution in the first place…..
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LOL
I just started to type up this whole thing about the EDT preservative found in the blood and how that blood was obviously planted.
Erased it not wanting to get into it.
LMFAO
You were right man. Just better to let sleeping dogs lie.
After all, people still think Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone nut, so of course OJ did it.
December 9th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
It’s all about safety… now let’s talk about adding a few more games a year!
December 9th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
The official “Who Hates Goodell” Poll
yes – Marks Hair
yes – raider riff
2-0
December 9th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Goodell reminds me of 2 face from Batman..
December 9th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Hate Goodell
December 9th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
J Hill Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
And despite the well known fact that the police had to tamper with the evidence, which fvcked up the prosecution in the first place…..
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LOL
I just started to type up this whole thing about the EDT preservative found in the blood and how that blood was obviously planted.
Erased it not wanting to get into it.
LMFAO
You were right man. Just better to let sleeping dogs lie.
After all, people still think Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone nut, so of course OJ did it.
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Hey, I had no problem with OJ taking the fall for his kid if that is what he wanted to do. All the family of Nicole Brown wanted was vengence anyways, didnt matter who’s head ended up on a stake.
But I also believe in due process of law. If the police fvck up, YOU MUST let the person off, whether they are guilty or not.
As for Lee Harvey, great example of just how dumb our country is. It’s why I dont even vote. I cant support this crap anymore. It’s all a facade.
Hell, there isnt even a clear line of sight from where Lee Harvey supposedly took the shots from. That is the biggest joke on the American public EVER!
December 9th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
OT: interesting video on what Vince Young is doing. If either he or Jamarcus really were interested in getting back their careers, they’d have gone to Canada. Unfortunately, I think neither of these young men could live in mature ways w/out their extended family around them.
I really think Young could help a team, but I can well understand teams not feeling they should shell out dollars for a guy who has “issues.” Still, if he loves the game that much, he has to put pride aside to prove himself, take a low salary, yet I get the feeling he won’t, even though he’s working hard with a qb trainer. Such talent….wasted.
December 9th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
The official “Who Hates Goodell” Poll
yes – Marks Hair
yes – raider riff
yes – RaiderLen
3-0
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It will be interesting to see who wins by a larger margin between the “Prop Gruden” or “Put a bounty on Goodell” polls.
December 9th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Ok seeing how you fans like polls,..I have one,..my wife and I on the sidelines again for KC,..no doubt I will again get to say hi to Mark and Reggie, get pics again,..heres the poll question: I have an old Raiders jersey, says Chucky on the back,..should I wear it?
December 9th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Forgot to give the link: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8721123&categoryid=2378529
December 9th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Shutdown Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
OT: interesting video on what Vince Young is doing. If either he or Jamarcus really were interested in getting back their careers, they’d have gone to Canada. Unfortunately, I think neither of these young men could live in mature ways w/out their extended family around them.
I really think Young could help a team, but I can well understand teams not feeling they should shell out dollars for a guy who has “issues.” Still, if he loves the game that much, he has to put pride aside to prove himself, take a low salary, yet I get the feeling he won’t, even though he’s working hard with a qb trainer. Such talent….wasted.
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Indeed. Such talent wasted.
His win/loss record is unreal, and that is before taking into account the fact that teams wont touch him despite it.
So much talent, so little maturity and good judgment.
QB is the ultimate judgement position tho. If youre not smart, its hard to be a good QB long term.
December 9th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Captain Checkdown time in Chicago. JC in to replace JC.
December 9th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Ok seeing how you fans like polls,..I have one,..my wife and I on the sidelines again for KC,..no doubt I will again get to say hi to Mark and Reggie, get pics again,..heres the poll question: I have an old Raiders jersey, says Chucky on the back,..should I wear it?
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Yes.
For proof of what the others think, see the poll numbers on Prop Gruden. 74% say, wear the fvcking jersey!!!
December 9th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
You are married?
woah, it will take me a minute to recover from that
December 9th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
I will tell Reggie this next Sunday,..trade down, get as many picks as possible,…draft ONLY defensive players,..mostly DT `s and DE`s…and at least a corner,..dont draft one single offensive player.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
lol soup just ran out of time on the clock so he called a TO he did not have
December 9th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Dallas knows how to fight for a win. Dallas has pride. Gotta like that.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
If either he or Jamarcus really were interested in getting back their careers, they’d have gone to Canada.
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So true.
UHHH MAZING to me that they just “hung it up”.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Romo for sure pulling this out.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Sd showing what playing for a coach looks like…DA would never get that kind of effort from the raiders…
December 9th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Scantherat knew what he was doing when he drafted KC
RG went down scrambling and KC led them to a TD and 2 point conversion by scrambling
December 9th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Ok seeing how you fans like polls,..I have one,..my wife and I on the sidelines again for KC,..no doubt I will again get to say hi to Mark and Reggie, get pics again,..heres the poll question: I have an old Raiders jersey, says Chucky on the back,..should I wear it?
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Yes
December 9th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
QB controversy in Washington Cousins looks great!!!!
December 9th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Dallas gonna win this,..Hue sucks.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
N Foles and K Cousins are the new era of QB’s!
December 9th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
Romo for sure pulling this out.
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Having a mobile QB covers up a lot of other problems on your team.
Play Pryor.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Cowboys have pride. Hue ruined the Bengals.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
Cowboys have pride. Hue ruined the Bengals.
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I doubt a waterboy has that much effect on a team.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
“Having a mobile QB covers up a lot of other problems on your team.”
Sure if he can throw the ball get Pryor in on some gimmick plays and move him to WR
December 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Dang Nick Foles, dude just tore it up.
See ya Vick.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
“Having a mobile QB covers up a lot of other problems on your team.”
Sure if he can throw the ball get Pryor in on some gimmick plays and move him to WR
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Well, mostly my point was that the difference between Dallas and Oakland is a QB that can get outside the pocket and make things happen.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
I will tell Reggie this next Sunday,..trade down, get as many picks as possible,…draft ONLY defensive players,..mostly DT `s and DE`s…and at least a corner,..dont draft one single offensive player.
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If youre bold enough to be handing out advise like that to a NFL GM
Then put your big-boy pants on and wear the Gruden jersey.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Dallas gonna win this,..Hue sucks.
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Yeah, he doesn’t know football like Tits & the gang.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
So one win might be the difference between the third pick and the eighth pick.
Just lose baby!
December 9th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
What was the final tally in the gruden poll?
December 9th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
In the entire Goodell transcript, he did nothing but speak out the side of his mouth until the very two last questions/answers.
It’s so noticeable when he actually answers a question vs does his lawyer speak.
Fvck I hate the guy. What a waste of a interview. Sounds like every other damn politician.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Dakota Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
What was the final tally in the gruden poll?
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It’s not final yet. But it has slowed down.
As it sits now, its 55-19 in favor of bringing Chucky home.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Raiders biggest problem !… A defense that’s given up 402 points….No other Defense is even near that bad….
December 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Many odd scores in the morning games.
A lot of people lost their ass today with the bookies I would think hahaha.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Watching other teams …
It’s just really obvious, man.
Players make plays.
Phucc who the coach is.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
The inept, 3 and out prone, non play making offense has a lot to do with the bad defense.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
J Hill Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Watching other teams …
It’s just really obvious, man.
Players make plays.
Phucc who the coach is.
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Yep. I think that its dead obvious that most in this blog dont watch anything but the Raiders games. And if they are watching something other than current games, it’s 70s highlights of the Raiders.
And by some chance, the few that do watch other teams, they have no idea what they are actually looking at from a football IQ standpoint.
Thus the reason we are so quick to blame our coaches. Al Davis trained us well.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Say what you want about Crabtree, I personally dont care for him, but he just ran a route that was so crisp and perfect. Totally shook the CB.
It’s ability like that, that NONE of our WR’s exhibit.
The only guy that even knows his job in the passing game is Meyers. While he cant block and Im not high on his hands. He does at least know how to get open.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Draft just defensive players? What about our horrible offensive line? Or our QB who throws way too many pics?
December 9th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Reggie will draft the best player available. According to his board. Regardless of position, offense or defense. This is well known.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Now I will certainly concede that Knapp is an unimaginative play caller.
There was a play around the goal line where everyone came out and said damn good play call. I think that was the first time ALL YEAR that I remember a consensus in favor of a Knapp play call. And that’s a damn shame.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
The picks from Palmer hurt so much because the rest of our team was so bad. We shouldn’t have to play turnover, or shall I say mistake free, each and every week.
Sure would be nice to see the defense or special teams pick us up after a turnover. Have the offenses back, if you will.
December 9th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Terrible int from Palmer in the 4th qtr of the TB game.
But how about the D picking up the offense by coming out and forcing a 3 and out?
December 9th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Bring on Chucky!
December 9th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
You want a rah-rah motivator for head coach of the Oakland Raiders???
Ray Lewis for head coach 2015
December 9th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
“Youre sticking to your belief that it was OJ because leather gloves shrink when wet?”
Nope. I am explaining to whoever said, “So that’s why the gloves didn’t fit” that the gloves, in their original state, did fit. Easy to see, even on tv.
Millions of men have hands the size of OJ’s–large hands, and fitting them into crinkle, shruken leather gloves while also wearing latex, is impossible unless you tug and tug and stretch the leather. (BTW, it can be done by stretching the leather, but first the leather must be cleaned.) Further complicating the process, try spreading your fingers. What a joke all that was, but some people like trite rhymes.
The gloves themselves were large-sized, but misshapen because of having shrunk.
Do I know what size hand OJ’s son has? No, I don’t. So what? Anyone wanting black leather gloves and not having any of his own would have grabbed the first pair he found in the house or in a car or wherever.
Even if the son committed the murder, he could have grabbed his father’s gloves.
Am I immediately impressed by your story. No, I am not. I’ve been around too long to be. Have seen too much of this alternate story explanation stuff to jump immediately to “Oh, my God, OJ really didn’t kill those two. His son did. A book’s been written!”
Might the alternate hypothesis be accurate? Yes, it could be, but that a book was written that makes the concept of another murderer seem likely or probable or even a little bit suggestive doesn’t impress me considering the number of books I’ve read in my life that were constructed to make a buck or the number of honest hypotheses I’ve seen tested in a science lab that seemed sure things only to fail the test of predictive repetition, the only test of hypotheses that matter in science.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
yes – Coach456
no – Plunketthead
yes – Carl Weathers
yes – Oakfshow
yes – The Big Banana
no – Seymour Bush
yes – Kiwi_Blade
yes – Big Pep
no – RaiderRockStar
yes – dDwight
no – Lefty12
no – J Hill
yes – C2E
no – Silverandblack666
yes – Tuckrulefool
yes – RaiderDanny
yes – ReggieknowsDAhastogo
undecided – Kell
undecided – Morrilla
56 – 19
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 9th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
How did RG3 hurt his knee?
December 9th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Bigger bust
Nap Harris or Slowlando?
December 9th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Shutdown Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
“Youre sticking to your belief that it was OJ because leather gloves shrink when wet?”
Nope. I am explaining to whoever said, “So that’s why the gloves didn’t fit” that the gloves, in their original state, did fit. Easy to see, even on tv.
Millions of men have hands the size of OJ’s–large hands, and fitting them into crinkle, shruken leather gloves while also wearing latex, is impossible unless you tug and tug and stretch the leather. (BTW, it can be done by stretching the leather, but first the leather must be cleaned.) Further complicating the process, try spreading your fingers. What a joke all that was, but some people like trite rhymes.
The gloves themselves were large-sized, but misshapen because of having shrunk.
Do I know what size hand OJ’s son has? No, I don’t. So what? Anyone wanting black leather gloves and not having any of his own would have grabbed the first pair he found in the house or in a car or wherever.
Even if the son committed the murder, he could have grabbed his father’s gloves.
Am I immediately impressed by your story. No, I am not. I’ve been around too long to be. Have seen too much of this alternate story explanation stuff to jump immediately to “Oh, my God, OJ really didn’t kill those two. His son did. A book’s been written!”
Might the alternate hypothesis be accurate? Yes, it could be, but that a book was written that makes the concept of another murderer seem likely or probable or even a little bit suggestive doesn’t impress me considering the number of books I’ve read in my life that were constructed to make a buck or the number of honest hypotheses I’ve seen tested in a science lab that seemed sure things only to fail the test of predictive repetition, the only test of hypotheses that matter in science.
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Fair enough.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Dakota Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Bigger bust
Nap Harris or Slowlando?
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Slolando. Easy.
Nap Harris played alongside Romo and Romo never wanted to kill him.
Rolando has been looking over his shoulder worried Romo was going to punch his eye socket out all year.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Romac is faster than the nd lb….lol…
December 9th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
J Hill Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 9:51 am
55 basically went on the field and told DA that he sucks and he can’t wait for Gruden to get here. Same thing all of you are saying, lol.
So if 55 is right, like you guys are, why are you mad at him?
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JHill- Is this true? Where did you hear this? What is the real story here, anybody? I’ve been generally turning away from this regime, trying not to get all riled up, just pointing out how much they sux. I’m interested in knowing what really happened here. Anybody knows?
December 9th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
J Hill Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
The picks from Palmer hurt so much because the rest of our team was so bad. We shouldn’t have to play turnover, or shall I say mistake free, each and every week.
Sure would be nice to see the defense or special teams pick us up after a turnover. Have the offenses back, if you will.
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Serious questions…
1. How many of Palmers INT’s, since last year, have gone off the hands of our own guys. I can think of 5 just off the top of my head.
2. How many of Palmer’s INT’s have been a result of the WR running the wrong route? I can think of 5 just off the top of my head.
3. How many dropped passes, going back to last year, occurred in the redzone/endzone? I can think of over 15 off the top of my head.
4. How many TD’s have been called back due to stupid penalties by our RT? I can think of 1 off the top of my head.
5. How many INT’s were actually just a straight up bad play by Palmer since he’s been here? I’d bet money it’s under 10 if you leave out the KC game.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
4.75…4.80…,
December 9th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Say what you want about Crabtree, I personally dont care for him, but he just ran a route that was so crisp and perfect. Totally shook the CB.
It’s ability like that, that NONE of our WR’s exhibit.
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I said what I wanted to about him on draft day. I was told that I was an idiot because all he knew how to do was run bubble screens in a gimmick offense at Texas Tech, and that he wouldn’t fit in the “vertical game”.
These were some of the same folks that told me that taking Maurkice Pouncey was stupid because you don’t take centers in the first round.
Instead of Crabtree and Pouncey we now have Darrius Heyward-Bey and Rolando McClain. So there you go.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
4.75…4.80…,
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/350992-2010-nfl-draft-scouting-report-rolando-mcclain
Going into April, McClain will be one of the most-discussed prospects on the market, >>mostly for his size and his dedication to improving his game. >>
>>He is a film room junkie with a humble attitude, a combination that the NFL needs more of. >>
LOL!
December 9th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
4.75…4.80…,
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Yeah, that is my knock on Manti
Watching the tape last night, he didnt look fast enough to me. But I also didnt see him having trouble patroling from sideline to sideline and he’s good in coverage. Something we need help at.
If we trade down and Manti is available at the 10-15 range, Im for it.
Top 5, we gotta go after Moore IMO.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/manti-teo-will-be-a-first-round-pick-but-some-question-his-speed/
“Speed will be a factor with Manti, because you’re gonna be in a position to cover backs and tight ends at that spot, and not just on third down,” one AFC executive told Breer. “Teams throw on first and second down, so you have to be able to run and cover. You don’t want liabilities in coverage in your base. I don’t think he’s a liability. Does he run well enough? He’s not speed-deficient, but with his play speed, in covereage, there are some specific guys you’d have questions about. Guys like Jimmy Graham, Darren Sproles, or the [Chris] Cooley or [Dallas] Clark types, those guys get separation. You might be worried about him there.”
December 9th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
4.75…4.80…,
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Yeah, that is my knock on Manti
Watching the tape last night, he didnt look fast enough to me. But I also didnt see him having trouble patroling from sideline to sideline and he’s good in coverage. Something we need help at.
If we trade down and Manti is available at the 10-15 range, Im for it.
Top 5, we gotta go after Moore IMO.
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That report sounds like McClain…Teo is not worthy of a top 5 pick. Never has
December 9th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
I also wouldn’t mind Te’o in the 10-15 range, but I’m not sold on him at No. 3 or higher. I think he has the potential to be good, maybe a Tedy Bruschi tpe, but I donMt see him as the next Urlacher, Lewis, Willis type MLB.
At this point I’d say my No. 1 choice would be Luke Joeckel, LT, A&M and No. 2 would be the Utah NT/DT. Not terribly impressed with any of the toptier pass rushers, which is a shame because it’s our biggest need.-
December 9th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Andy Reid = Damn good with QBs
Mike Vick = Coach killer
It’s proven at this point. Look at the careers of McNabb, Kolb, AJ Feely, and now Fowles.
And now look at how many coaches Vick has gotten fired. Andy almost ended up on that list.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
I also wouldn’t mind Te’o in the 10-15 range, but I’m not sold on him at No. 3 or higher. I think he has the potential to be good, maybe a Tedy Bruschi tpe, but I donMt see him as the next Urlacher, Lewis, Willis type MLB.
At this point I’d say my No. 1 choice would be Luke Joeckel, LT, A&M and No. 2 would be the Utah NT/DT. Not terribly impressed with any of the toptier pass rushers, which is a shame because it’s our biggest need.-
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What’s your opinion of Moore? You dont think he’s worth a top 3 or 5 pick?
December 9th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Not fair to compare Te’o to McClain though. McClain plays much slower, with much less hustle and terrible lateral movement.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Nah. Andy Reid is done. He’s lost his edge. Bad playcalling to boot. He passes way to much (akin to Knapp but not as bad) to have a bad OL. He has way too many personal issues going on to be able to keep focus on football. He has to get his family stuff in order.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Afternoon Cork: I really don’t give a rib were we play.Then after losing more than 100 games in ten years and breaking the
NFL record for points allowed . I wouldn’t care if we had to play on the “MOON ALICE ”
I am so sick to my stomach with this team, that unless it makes
Super Natural changes of “” BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS” I am not going to fallow them as many other Fans too!
Many fill its beyond repair and others that is to little,to slow and
We are not getting nowhere
December 9th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
If Goodell uses words and phrases like “our stage” “really important” “biggest part” “critical” then I don’t think The Raiders should have to get a lease extension on a crappy baseball stadium in order to get their “stage” situation right.
Either get serious about building a new stadium in Oakland or push for them to move to LA no matter which stadium it is.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Profootballtalk suggest the Raiders get rid of Palmer.
Reading some of the comments on there alot of cincy fans saying you Palmer is a garbage time allstar who throughs to many INTS.
Either way they got two draft picks and Palmer was just a 2 yrs stop gap qb for us.
FLorio think that 13 million dollars is way to much for average qb. I gotta agree especially for one who cant even scramble for first down
December 9th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Riff, I think Moore is solid. A guy who hustles and plays smart. I think he’ll be a good player and I like him over th other top DE/OLB prospects. But I don’t see the uniquely explosive first step and aggression to think he’ll be a Von Miller or Aldon Smith type. I think he’ll be good, not great while Luke J and Star have a better chance to be elite at their positions, IMO.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Nah. Andy Reid is done. He’s lost his edge. Bad playcalling to boot. He passes way to much (akin to Knapp but not as bad) to have a bad OL. He has way too many personal issues going on to be able to keep focus on football. He has to get his family stuff in order.
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The family issues are definitely a distraction.
But you cant say he forgot how to coach. He does wonders with QBs not named Vick.
And I wouldnt say he passes too much, that is the league we’re in these days. He’s ahead of the curve if you think about it.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
I believe Philly should actually keep Vick until they can find a definite replacement either in the draft or FA (which I don’t think any are coming free). QBs are extremely hard to come by. I don’t watch a lot of football but I would be skeptical of Nick F. They should move on from Reid. He’s not going to win a SB for them. His best opportunity was 5yrs or so ago when he had McNabb & T.O. together. This is the truth. Reid is a good coach but his time has passed.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
There’s a difference in quickness and speed, what has helped Manti make plays is that he is quick to the ball and very aware when making decisions on the field.
40 times matter a lot more with db’s who are running vertical with receivers a lot more unless you are a LB in Bresnahan’s scheme and must cover the top receiver.
But with all that said I’d be nervous if we took a LB in the top ten and would prefer to fill other gaps that early.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Profootballtalk suggest the Raiders get rid of Palmer.
Reading some of the comments on there alot of cincy fans saying you Palmer is a garbage time allstar who throughs to many INTS.
Either way they got two draft picks and Palmer was just a 2 yrs stop gap qb for us.
FLorio think that 13 million dollars is way to much for average qb. I gotta agree especially for one who cant even scramble for first down
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Is he really average? Answer my questions on post #69 and then tell me if he’s average?
Is he an average leader? Yeah. But overall as a QB, he’s been phenominal for us. The rest of his cast hasnt played anywhere close to his level.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
I don’t watch a lot of “PHILLY” football …that is. Sheez, talk about discrediting yourself lol
December 9th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Lol jhill that rolando story sounds believable because if you remeber Aaron curry was talkng up how much hed love to play for chucky as well then days later he got cut. Lol
December 9th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
If we lose all remaining games, including KC, will that give us the #1 or #2 pick in the 2013 NFL draft?
December 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
What do you think we could get for Palmer and Dmac from AZ? From Jets?
December 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
I believe Philly should actually keep Vick until they can find a definite replacement either in the draft or FA (which I don’t think any are coming free). QBs are extremely hard to come by. I don’t watch a lot of football but I would be skeptical of Nick F. They should move on from Reid. He’s not going to win a SB for them. His best opportunity was 5yrs or so ago when he had McNabb & T.O. together. This is the truth. Reid is a good coach but his time has passed.
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They said Pete Carrol couldnt coach in the NFL and look what having a talented D and QB will do for you.
I think they will have a much easier time replacing Vick than they will Andy Reid. Their histories speak for themselves.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Riff palmer is far from exceptional,necause he giveths and he takeths, when ever we have a chance for a comeback I expect a game losing turnover by him because hes done it so often… Hes blown 3 games on his own cant exempt him from criticism.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Wisenhunt for hc or oc next year?
December 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
JB Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
What do you think we could get for Palmer and Dmac from AZ? From Jets?
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The Jets are going to be a hard sell. They are stuck with Sanchez until they are ready to get rid of Rex. That is a dynamic that cant be ignored.
If they dump those two, do you really think a new reggime will want to make that their first move? Give up their draft to bring in Palmer and DMC? I doubt it.
We too often project our own org’s irrational behaviour of the past onto other orgs and convince ourselves that they would do equally stupid trades.
Now AZ? They have an established coach that isnt going anywhere, but is desperate for a QB again.
I’d give AZ Palmer & DMC and a draft 5th rd pick for Larry Fitzgerald.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Sorry guys, I hope the Dolphins lose! Fck the 49ers too!
December 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Arizona Cardinals > Oakland Raiders
December 9th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Riff palmer is far from exceptional,necause he giveths and he takeths, when ever we have a chance for a comeback I expect a game losing turnover by him because hes done it so often… Hes blown 3 games on his own cant exempt him from criticism.
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No he hasnt. If your just looking at the stats, yeah, his INTs are to blame. But they dont tell the whole story.
Most of those INTs are the result of the WRs. Thats just a fact.
Answer my questions on post 69 and then tell me what his stats would look like.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
The Giants v Saints game is a wild one. I suggest you all tune in.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Jb if we lose out it would guarantee at least the second pick I believe.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Look at the young QB’s playing:
RGIII
Luck
Wilson
Kaepernick
Tannehill
Dalton
Foles
Newton
etc,etc
Just getting TP suited up recently is complete nonsense.
Should have had some sort of “playing time” on week one.
Newton
December 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Now, here is what the Raiders should do:
1. Fire Knapp, Tarver, Hoffman and the other assistant coaches who are no good.
…and fire DA if you see someone out there thats worth it. I prefer a clean sweep of firings because I don’t think DA is that good. However, if you surrond him with great coordinators he can look OK, but thats only a stop gap until we can swallow his contract #s.
2. Keep Palmer at a reasonable number next year, if possible. But look towards Pryor UNDER BETTER COACHES to see what you could have – somewhat similiar to how the 49ers worked in Kappy. Measuring Pryor under this coaching staff could lead to a serious misjudment in ability/talent/projection. Knapp’s offense and playcalling absolutely sucks.
3. Draft the best players possible but focus on getting pass rushers. We need some in the worst way. Secondarily, focus on DBs and OTs. I believe the offense can be very productive again under the right OC.
4. Suffice to say, hire competent coordinators that are not system driven but player driven. I prefer HC again, paired with AS. I have not seen an offense that dynamic since Callahan unleashed Gruden’s offense.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Riff,
Palmer turns the ball over and loses football games. thats just what he does. he did that in Cincy and he does that in Oakland
if you’re impressed by a bunch of yards and TD’s that amount to squat, let me buy you a Kerry Collins or Jeff George jersey, ok?
perhaps you missed it yesterday when I posted that JaMarcus Russell had fewer INT’s and more wins in the same number of starts in Oakland and he was a 22 year old (not to mention 300 lbs, sleep apnea, sizzurp, etc) – not a 32 year old like Carson
December 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
86.TerrapinRaider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
I believe Philly should actually keep Vick until they can find a definite replacement either in the draft or FA (which I don’t think any are coming free). QBs are extremely hard to come by. I don’t watch a lot of football but I would be skeptical of Nick F. They should move on from Reid. He’s not going to win a SB for them. His best opportunity was 5yrs or so ago when he had McNabb & T.O. together. This is the truth. Reid is a good coach but his time has passed.
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Wondering why you’d be “skeptical” of Foles, especially since you admit you don’t watch much football?
That kid has all the tools; you could tell by watching him at Arizona. He had a terrible o-line there, and really only one receiver he could count on (Juron Criner, oddly enough). Despite all that he played very well, and was actually given very high grades for how he performed when pressured in the pocket.
Say what you want about Andy Reid, the man knows how to coach quarterbacks. If Foles is fortunate enough to be around Reid for any length of time I think you’ll see him develop into a very good player.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
DA is keeping Pryor off the field like his job depends on it.
I just dont see how it can get any worse.
I mean, if he finds out Pryor can play, isnt that a good thing?
They need to not only suite him up, they need to give him 1st team reps, multiple weeks in a row if they ever expect to get a fair assessment. If they dont do that, they arent giving Pryor a fair chance to show growth and potential.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
There used to be a heated debate(college) about who was better Newton or TP. We have not seen TP yet so we don’t know.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Riff,
Palmer turns the ball over and loses football games. thats just what he does. he did that in Cincy and he does that in Oakland
if you’re impressed by a bunch of yards and TD’s that amount to squat, let me buy you a Kerry Collins or Jeff George jersey, ok?
perhaps you missed it yesterday when I posted that JaMarcus Russell had fewer INT’s and more wins in the same number of starts in Oakland and he was a 22 year old (not to mention 300 lbs, sleep apnea, sizzurp, etc) – not a 32 year old like Carson
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Just answer the questions on post #69
Ignoring them only proves that you are incapable of realizing that WRs have to run their routes. It’s a two way street.
Simply giving the QB all the credit or blame for any play or game is foolish and ignorant.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Sorry jb I meant third pick.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
I don’t think Manti Teo would be a perfect fit in Oakland. He plays in a 3-4 behind a beast NT.
The kid is a great leader with great heart but he may not be able to take over the middle of a 4-3.
Plus our DT position is in shambles right now. Right now he would be facing too many elite linemen with any protection–the Raiders could ruin him.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Arizona is fine. They just lost their starting QB for the season, which is why they are stinking. When Kolb was playing AZ was pretty good and winning. Now they are stinking under Skelton.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Its the same fate we would have seen if we stuck with Bolder last year.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Utah defensive tackle Star Lotulelei is a big body and fierce competitor.
I love what Manti Te’o brings to the table, but, with Seymour on his last legs plugging Lotulelei on the defensive line can free up Tommy Kelly and other lineman to rush the QB.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Despite seeing double and even triple teams this season Star Lotulelei led the Pac-12 and is tied for second in the nation in fumble recoveries (4) and his 42 total tackles includes a team-high 11 tackles for loss and 5.0 sacks.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Raidertalk Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
I don’t think Manti Teo would be a perfect fit in Oakland. He plays in a 3-4 behind a beast NT.
The kid is a great leader with great heart but he may not be able to take over the middle of a 4-3.
Plus our DT position is in shambles right now. Right now he would be facing too many elite linemen with any protection–the Raiders could ruin him.
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Well that settles it for me. No on Teo.
Had Rolando not gone all Jamarcus on us, I’d say Teo was a absoulte must along with switching to a 3-4 fulltime.
But since that probably isnt going to happen, we cannot try that mistake again. If he’s a 3-4 LB, let him get drafted by a 3-4 team.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
If we lose out we could have the #1 pick if the jags win a game…depends on the tie breakers.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Ignoring them only proves that you are incapable of realizing that WRs have to run their routes. It’s a two way street.
Simply giving the QB all the credit or blame for any play or game is foolish and ignorant.
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Riff,
did JaWalrus have great coaches, O-Line, WR’s, RB’s, defense??
same excuses apply. as Debo would say “Poor JaMarcus”
JR was put in a 100 times worse situation than CP and won more games. Had fewer INT’s. Every Raider fan on the planet thinks he was pathetic – yet he was still better than Palmer
December 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Riff,
Palmer turns the ball over and loses football games. thats just what he does. he did that in Cincy and he does that in Oakland
if you’re impressed by a bunch of yards and TD’s that amount to squat, let me buy you a Kerry Collins or Jeff George jersey, ok?
perhaps you missed it yesterday when I posted that JaMarcus Russell had fewer INT’s and more wins in the same number of starts in Oakland and he was a 22 year old (not to mention 300 lbs, sleep apnea, sizzurp, etc) – not a 32 year old like Carson
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Just answer the questions on post #69
Ignoring them only proves that you are incapable of realizing that WRs have to run their routes. It’s a two way street.
Simply giving the QB all the credit or blame for any play or game is foolish and ignorant.
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Yeah blame the WR’s. Palmer has been a INT machine for most of his career. That’s what he does with all the WR’s he has played with.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Shutdown Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
How did RG3 hurt his knee?
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By not sliding on one of his QB keepers.
All of us saw this coming… except Misdick.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Putting my ND love aside, there is no way we are taking teo where we will be drafting….maybe if we trade out of the top 5?
December 9th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Ignoring them only proves that you are incapable of realizing that WRs have to run their routes. It’s a two way street.
Simply giving the QB all the credit or blame for any play or game is foolish and ignorant.
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Riff,
did JaWalrus have great coaches, O-Line, WR’s, RB’s, defense??
same excuses apply. as Debo would say “Poor JaMarcus”
JR was put in a 100 times worse situation than CP and won more games. Had fewer INT’s. Every Raider fan on the planet thinks he was pathetic – yet he was still better than Palmer
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Every time you ignore post #69, you just prove my point.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Utah defensive tackle Star Lotulelei is a big body and fierce competitor.
I love what Manti Te’o brings to the table, but, with Seymour on his last legs plugging Lotulelei on the defensive line can free up Tommy Kelly and other lineman to rush the QB.
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Agreed, we haven’t had a quality DT here in along time.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
So that pass thrown for a interception into double coverage against tampa wasnt his fault? That pass directly to asante samuel wasnt his fault in atl, and that awful pick against cleveland wasnt his fault? Give me a break, he just shrinks in the big moment. Yes the recievers may be responsible for some of his ints but not all, and the ones that have cost us games when the D actually gave us a chance in the end were all the fault of his own because he presses.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Colts 9-4
Wow!
December 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Here’s the question ref Palmer: Do you really think he would be throwing as many INTs under HJ? Answer: NO
You can’t be too judgemental under this staff. Its that bad boyz. Knapp is not putting his players in a position to be most effective – and that goes for Palmer as well.
Knapps calling like 70% pass plays – that’s crazy man. CRAzy! And they’re not even good pass plays lol
December 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
If You guys do start a ” Hate Goodall”poll… Wait till he gives the Raiders that 200 million towards a new stadium….get the cash ….
December 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
I think it’s possible Carson Palmer walks away and calls it quits.
Not probable, but possible.
Really wouldn’t shock me.
Carson’s arm strength is still adequate but not what it once was.
Carson has been pretty durable despite being immobile.
One thing that bothers me about Palmer that hasn’t really been discussed is he is either unable or reluctant to ever step up in the pocket.
He throws off his back foot or falling backwards far too often.
Does not ’slide’ well in the pocket. Little or no ability to sidestep pressure.
Could probably perform decently with a monster O-line and better running game, but we’re miles away from either.
Even with all the holes to fill, if there was a potential franchise QB available in this draft when the Raids select in rd 1, they’d have to seriously consider going in that direction.
Geno ?
Might be worth the gamble if he’s there.
Good pure passer but I’ve got my doubts.
Kinda reminds me of Leftwich or Bledsoe. Or he could wind up having a top-side more like Bradford.
Probably going to have to draft a QB by 2014 at the latest. That is unless TP can step up or some free agent miracle occurs.
Some very hard decisions to make before April.
December 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
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December 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
RaidO,
Riff forgets that Palmer had Johnson & Housh in their primes, then Chris Henry as a 3rd WR.
Terrell Owens was a stud for him in Carson’s last Bungle season. Why is it that the same crappy organization and HC (Marvin Lewis) suddenly starts winning with a rookie QB and rookie #1 WR after they unload Palmer?
because he’s a friggin loser!!
December 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Jawalrus had an equally bad O-Line and WR core.
He only threw less INTs because he was never asked to throw more than 15-20 times a game.
And yeah, I dont put it all on Jawalruss. We were a dumpster fire of a franchise back then. Of epic proportions. At least this year, we have a functioning front office.
Look, if you look at the film, we were running a High School offense for jawalruss. We had to dumb everything down for him. So much so that Steve Young was basically embarrassed for us while announcing the game.
Nowdays we are running a modern offense, and you guys want us to dumb it down for our WRs that cant learn their audibles and run crisp routes other than a go-route or a 10 yard hitch.
SMH.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
By the same measure you would think DMC is a bum under Knapp. Same goes for Palmer. Yes, the OC is that bad. He’s making everyone look like trash. Don’t be too judgemental here folks.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Who is that zack miller in Seattle…td.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
What is up with all the big-time college QBs getting roasted by numerous draft pundits across the nation?
From Geno Smith to Matt Barkley, scouts and pundits say no QB in this year’s class worth a top 15 pick.
Collin Klein hit the hardest with scouts/pundits saying he’s a 5th-7th round pick because he is a system/spread QB.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Harbough with the flea flicker….what’s that?
December 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Here’s the question ref Palmer: Do you really think he would be throwing as many INTs under HJ? Answer: NO
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perhaps you missed last season when Palmer played for Hue threw a bunch of picks and lost football games for us??
wasn’t the team like 4-2 when Jason Campbell was lost for the season??
December 9th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
J Hill Says:
Watching other teams …
It’s just really obvious, man.
Players make plays.
Phucc who the coach is.
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J Hill, I promote you to IBA Football God status now! You, Riff, Duck, Morilla, ABP, McFadden20, several others – some fans get it. This team lacks playmakers.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
What is up with all the big-time college QBs getting roasted by numerous draft pundits across the nation?
From Geno Smith to Matt Barkley, scouts and pundits say no QB in this year’s class worth a top 15 pick.
Collin Klein hit the hardest with scouts/pundits saying he’s a 5th-7th round pick because he is a system/spread QB.
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IMO, very few QB’s are ever worth a top 15 pick. Very few.
They all need to be developed and brought along slowly.
A team picking in the top 10 isnt good in the first place. Not exactly the kinda place you want to throw a rookie QB into.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
You idiots, we have little talent AND bad coaching!
December 9th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Here’s the question ref Palmer: Do you really think he would be throwing as many INTs under HJ? Answer: NO
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perhaps you missed last season when Palmer played for Hue threw a bunch of picks and lost football games for us??
wasn’t the team like 4-2 when Jason Campbell was lost for the season??
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Answer post #69 RRS.
It applies to last year also.
DHB dropped a ball in the endzone against SD. He fumbled on the 5 yard line against Detroit. Jacoby let a ball go off his hands and into Denvers for another pick.
Timely fumbles and mistakes all the way around. Why those blatant miscues get a pass with you is beyond me.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Colts 2011 2-14
Colts 2012 9-4
At this point, I’m sure we are tired of the excuses of why we are horrible but Indianapolis seems to have gotten their shet together.
Regress
Progress
December 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
I suspect that we will end up with the #2 or #3 pick. My vote is for DT Star Lotulelei Utah, 6-3, 320#.
A couple of other expectations include:
• Kelly traded
• Seymour retired or waived
• Palmer traded
• Dmac traded
• McCheese waived
• DHB salary renegotiated
• Bartell waived
• Carlisle retired
• Barnes waived
• WSmith waived
• Brisel traded
• Leinart waived
• Goethal waived
• Spencer waived
• Tollefson waived
• Alex Smith acquired from FA
December 9th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Here’s the question ref Palmer: Do you really think he would be throwing as many INTs under HJ? Answer: NO
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perhaps you missed last season when Palmer played for Hue threw a bunch of picks and lost football games for us??
wasn’t the team like 4-2 when Jason Campbell was lost for the season??
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Com’on man, Palmer was literrally coming off the couch and had to take a crash course to run the offense. He didn’t even know the players. All I’m saying is under HJ, he would not put Palmer in such bad positions as Knapp. In fact, the whole damn offense would’ve been super productive. Not the sht you see now.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
MiamiRaider78
One could argue the Colts weren’t really that bad, they just Sucked for Luck and lost all those games to land their next franchise QB.
But yes, to go from 2-14 to 9-4 is damn impressive.
Pagano and Co. made wholesale changes to the system — mostly on defense — and it’s paid of big time.
The team had good talent already and added more pieces with the grandest one of course being Andrew Luck.
The coaching staff and GM brought in the players they needed for the system and bada bing, bada boom.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Here’s the question ref Palmer: Do you really think he would be throwing as many INTs under HJ? Answer: NO
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perhaps you missed last season when Palmer played for Hue threw a bunch of picks and lost football games for us??
wasn’t the team like 4-2 when Jason Campbell was lost for the season??
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Yeah i gave Palmer the “off the couch” excuse last year but not this year. INT machine
December 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
JB
I concur, drafting Utah DT Star Lotulelei could provide the biggest dividends for the Raiders.
I say could because the draft is such a crapshoot, especially in the first round.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Stevie brown int!
December 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
“SO FEDUP WITH THIS TEAM ” NO MORE EXCUSES!
10 YEARS OF 10 OR MORE LOSES = 100 or more loses,
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! DAMMIT! !!
December 9th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
TerrapinRaider Says: December 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
By the same measure you would think DMC is a bum under Knapp. Same goes for Palmer. Yes, the OC is that bad. He’s making everyone look like trash. Don’t be too judgemental here folks.
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True
December 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Dakota Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
If we lose out we could have the #1 pick if the jags win a game…depends on the tie breakers.
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I know good thing is the Panthers Won today. KC and Jagwires ahead if us–if only they win a couple!
What pick Star Lotulelei would fall to?
December 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
I’m interested to see if DA and Co. play Taiwan Jones at corner in the last few games.
He wants to get on the field anyway he can and TJ has shown he’s a mighty fine gunner on punt returns.
He played the cornerback position at Eastern Washington before he switched to tailback.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
TerrapinRaider Says: December 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
By the same measure you would think DMC is a bum under Knapp.
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He was a bum under Hue, too. He’s a bum under everyone. Can’t put in a full season. Trade that Arkansas trash away.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
RaidO Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Here’s the question ref Palmer: Do you really think he would be throwing as many INTs under HJ? Answer: NO
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perhaps you missed last season when Palmer played for Hue threw a bunch of picks and lost football games for us??
wasn’t the team like 4-2 when Jason Campbell was lost for the season??
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Yeah i gave Palmer the “off the couch” excuse last year but not this year. INT machine
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You guys are not really thinking this through. Knapp is calling almost 70% pass plays which is a disaster to start. Our WRs have regressed, our OL has regressed, our running game has regressed. What do you expect from Palmer under these circumstances? You tell me those things without knowing who the QB is, I’ll tell you the QB is going to suck lol!
Listen, I’m not necessarily trying to defend Palmer but I’m telling you he would have been much, much better under HJ than this sht show for coaches we have now. Palmer play is getting worse to be honest because I believe his confidence is waning under this O/staff.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Star Lotulelei, DT Utah 6-3, 320# is the next Suh – a game breaking disruptive force up the middle.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
JB
I’m impressed with the fact Lotulelei racked up 42 tackles (11 for loss) and 5.0 sacks and 4 fumble recoveries this year despite getting double and triple-teamed.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
TerrapinRaider Says: December 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
By the same measure you would think DMC is a bum under Knapp.
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He was a bum under Hue, too. He’s a bum under everyone. Can’t put in a full season. Trade that Arkansas trash away.
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Averaging 5ypc is not a bum dude, com’on
December 9th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
How many tickets will Mark Davis have to buy to get the Raiders on local TV against the Chiefs?
Man, no way this Sunday’s game avoids a blackout, no?
December 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Fortyniners 49rs – DEFENSE Has allow only 6 pts to DOLPHINS!
CAN this stupid team full of CLOWNS do that? NO!
CAN they play up front in your face and hit you to sit you on your
BUTT” ? NO! TELL THAT TO TARVER .
December 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Colts 2011 2-14
Colts 2012 9-4
At this point, I’m sure we are tired of the excuses of why we are horrible but Indianapolis seems to have gotten their shet together.
Regress
Progress
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Ray is right.
The Colts definitely werent that bad last year.
Suck for Luck was real.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
You idiots, we have little talent AND bad coaching!
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True.
There’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that Krapp has to be ditched.
That is priority nbr 1 in revamping the staff.
I believe we can make strides offensively IMMEDIATELY with a better OC.
Defensively, we’re so fk’d personnel wise that I can’t honestly say that Tarver is a bad DC.
Admittedly, the secondary looks so confused and lost at times that you would have to think it’s the coaching but there’s been so much flux back there that it’s hard to imagine any cohesiveness.
I think Tits is a flop and prefer that he gets canned, but I’ll reluctantly accept him coming back in 2013.
But if Krapp is back in 2013, I’ll know this team has no chance of progressing.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
You guys are not really thinking this through. Knapp is calling almost 70% pass plays which is a disaster to start.
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Palmer’s fifth pass Thursday night was a game-killing interception – at the goal line. It wasn’t like he had already thrown 40 passes that night. To blame it on too many pass plays is just excuse making.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
DMC was once considered one of the best if not the best RB in the league last year under HJ. You had Maurice Jones-Drew saying “WOW!” Now, he’s trash. Hmm, you think is this sht show for coaches? Ya think?
You can quickly list the number of players that have regressed under this staff without much thought, no problem.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
Defensively, we’re so fk’d personnel wise that I can’t honestly say that Tarver is a bad DC.
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100% agree here. I actually thought the defensive players were playing to their abilities Thursday night. I didn’t see guys sandbagging it. I did not see any Rolando McClain bullsht going on.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
What happens to Rolando this week?
DA said a decision will be made Wednesday when he gets back from his pop’s funeral.
Do Raiders outright release McClain or find a way to put in on reserve list and rot until season is over?
December 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Wow. Tannehill throws a BEAUTIFUL deep ball.
With the way his line is playing without Jake Long, there is no way they resign him next year. He will be a FA for sure.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
I doubt if many or any other Qbs would have had any better sucess with this Oline, WRs , running game ( lack of ) special teams , and a defense that’s allowed 402 points after …. Basically the same defense as last year when the Raider offense was middle of the pack…they couldn’t stop anybody last year either … In 2011 the defense was 29th… They’re terrible
1st drive Thursday the Donk Offense went through the Raider defense like a hot knife through butter… Happened plenty last year too ….. Palmers down 7 points before the first beer commercial…
December 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
You guys are not really thinking this through. Knapp is calling almost 70% pass plays which is a disaster to start.
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Palmer’s fifth pass Thursday night was a game-killing interception – at the goal line. It wasn’t like he had already thrown 40 passes that night. To blame it on too many pass plays is just excuse making.
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Dude, it is what it is. Knapp is calling waaayyy too many pass plays. You all were saying it last week, same game. I’m not talking about 1 darn play. I’m talking about a seasons worth. This TEAM has the cards stacked against them because of the plays being called.
If I’m a defender and I know the OC is calling that many pass plays then I’m gonna pin my ears back and go for the QB almost every down. If I’m a DB, I’m licking my chops knowing I’ll have many chances tonight.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Did we really draft dhb over nicks?
Smh.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Nobody wants to play for the Oakland Raiders. The first step is to get the hell out of Oakland.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Dakota Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Did we really draft dhb over nicks?
Smh.
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4.4 speed, baby. That’s all you need to win games, right? Long live Al!
December 9th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Turn on the Miami vs Niner game right now!
Look at the TE catch in the endzone. Wow.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I’m surprised Fasano made up the distance to get that ball.
He is slower than Brandon Myers!
But that was a beautiful dive and catch for the TD.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Wanna see what a team looks like that has really given up?
Turn on the AZ game. Ive never seen so many good defensive players do whatevers necessary to avoid tackling Marshawn Lynch.
Patrick Peterson should turn in his game check from this game.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Qbs that have to throw a lot throw Ints…. Just check the Qbs that have more picks than Palmer this year …. Manning also threw a pick Thursday night and he hadn’t thrown 40 passes either…. And it cost the Donks a Td as well…. Blame Palmer all you want … But any Qb that played for this team would problably have the same results….. This is not a good team… Once more … If you have a defense that’s given up 402 points your always playing catch up… And the defense know it… And the Ints happen
December 9th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
We r fked.
Get over it.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Man, when/if Cam ever grows the fvck up, he’s got the potential to be the best in the league.
It’s too bad that 90% of being a QB is above the shoulder. We’ll see how it plays out over the course of his career. It’s either a maturity problem, which is fixable. Or its a character flaw, whcih isnt fixable.
Either way, today he showed his potential for sure.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Some good Qbs this year with lots of Ints…. Brees and Luck for a couple ..
December 9th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Fingers
Agreed. The Colts are asking Luck to chuck the ball 30-plus times in games and it is not surprising to see the number of INTs as a result of this.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Just looking at how much Kapernick has progressed over the last 3 games is really encouraging for Pryor.
I wasnt at all impressed with Kapernick after his first game. Or even his second. But you cant argue with the growth he’s shown each step along the way.
He’s playing nearly flawless at this point.
How DA isnt taking notice is beyond me.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Wow. Victor Cruz.
Another WR that is running routes that our WR’s couldnt dream of doing.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Raider (since1967)
★★★★★★★
Good defenses don’t allow more than 10-13 by HALF TIME!
Good Defenses will not give more 20-24 a Game!
Good Offenses score – 24-30 pts at Half Time and 34-65 at END!
SO- when I see OAKLAND with. 24-6 then its ok!
When they score first 7-0 in the 5 min Start its OK !
When they finish 56 -16 its Ok!
No field goals – NO GREGG KNAPPS PLEASE!
December 9th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Jackasspuria… Exactly…. If you have to toss the ball all the time then it’s likely your gonna have lots of pick…
December 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Let me read some ideas of who should be our next O.C.
As well as our DL coach.
See what Wauffle has done in St. Louis? 4th in total sacks in the NFL. Maybe we should take his assistant Clyde Simmons.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Fingers Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Some good Qbs this year with lots of Ints…. Brees and Luck for a couple ..
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Case in point, Manning just threw another INT. His fault. Ball was late. Very late.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Of course, Pryor would have to be No. 2 QB for this to happen…
But, I would confuse the hell out of the Chiefs on the very first play offensively if I’m running the Raiders offense by putting Pryor under center (or in the shotgun) at QB.
Either run a play-action bootleg (under center) or a read-option (shotgun) with Pryor on the very first play, offensively.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Just looking at how much Kapernick has progressed over the last 3 games is really encouraging for Pryor.
I wasnt at all impressed with Kapernick after his first game. Or even his second. But you cant argue with the growth he’s shown each step along the way.
He’s playing nearly flawless at this point.
How DA isnt taking notice is beyond me.
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DA doesn’t know what he is doing. You’ve seen it all season. This staff is so late to make changes. Its just par for course. Pryor may finally get some run during the final two games (but again, I wouldnt be too judgemental under this staff because they’re that awful).
December 9th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Eli just threw a pick…. And he’s leading in this game…… Speaking of picks
December 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Saints are going to score again.
Giants are trying to lose.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Giants need to slow this game down…
December 9th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Watching Vilma on the sideline getting into the face of the kid who just made the great INT just reminds me how badly we need leadership on this team.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Palmers problem is he’s thrown picks at bad times and our teams so bad its a lot more damaging ….
December 9th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Fingers Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Giants need to slow this game down…
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They had their chance when they were up 35-20
Now that its a 7 pt game, theyve blown that chance.
Heck, they only have 35 yds rushing at this point.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Fingers Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Palmers problem is he’s thrown picks at bad times and our teams so bad its a lot more damaging ….
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It’s not that simple.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Raider Riff
Leadership and accountability would go a long way in Oakland.
Palmer got into it a bit with DHB on the sidelines on Thursday night.
I do miss the Rich Gannon tirades.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Saint special teams looks as pitiful as ours
December 9th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Wow. That kick returner for the Giants is having the game of his life.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Raider Riff
Kevin Gilbride — Giants OC — has never been known as a slow-down type. He loves to keep the gas pedal on the floor when calling plays.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Raider Riff
Leadership and accountability would go a long way in Oakland.
Palmer got into it a bit with DHB on the sidelines on Thursday night.
I do miss the Rich Gannon tirades.
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The difference is, DHB was arguing back and they went there seperate ways once they were on the sideline.
Nobody, including Gruden, ever would have gotten away with that with Gannon. He never let it go until you knew he was right and you bowed down.
If there is anything the Palmer-hater crowd should be latching too, it’s his lack of leadership. You wont see me argue it. The whole “silent leader” crap doesnt work with a Raiders QB.
Maybe Palmer just has too much on his plate with how pathetic our WR corps is. Maybe. Or maybe he just needs to find a whipping boy and make an example out of him so the rest of the OLine and WR’s get their fvcking act together. Either way, he isnt doing enough from a leadership position.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
This is gonna be a good 4th qtr …
December 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Fingers Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Qbs that have to throw a lot throw Ints….
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He threw a pick on his fifth pass attempt of the game Thursday night. You can’t possibly say that’s a result of throwing too many times.
Against KC, he threw an INT on his FIRST fugging pass of the game. To the gawdawful STANFORD ROUTT for chrissakes!!!
Palmer isn’t the biggest problem on this team, but he is a problem. He’s pick-prone, no matter how often he throws.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Please!! No more USC quarterbacks.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Raider Riff,
I hear you man. Gannon and Gruden made sure a WR — or any pass catcher for that matter — that didn’t execute would know about it.
Loved seeing the spit fly out of Gannon’s mouth with Andre Rison, Jerry Porter and countless other WRs made a booboo.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Let’s do a little simple math here….
Mark Davis is a Raider
Therefore he hates the Niners by default
So much so he wont share a stadium with them
And the Niners are doing with Kaepernick what we should be doing with Houdini
Mark is watching this, and by definition, as a Raider fan, he’s furious
Whats that all equal?
DA is going to get himself fired if he doesnt show some flexibility here.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
You can’t convince me TP6 can’t do similar things that Kaep does.
I mean he just ran for a 50 yard plus TD, TP6 can do a lot of the same things.
DA is just stupid.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Raider Riff,
I hear you man. Gannon and Gruden made sure a WR — or any pass catcher for that matter — that didn’t execute would know about it.
Loved seeing the spit fly out of Gannon’s mouth with Andre Rison, Jerry Porter and countless other WRs made a booboo.
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Prime points. No WR on this roster is nowhere in Andre Rison’s league yet even he made the occassional mistake and Gannon made sure he felt sorry for it.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
303Raider,
While Pryor has accuracy issues with his arm, there’s no doubt what he can do with his legs.
Raiders run a read-option O with him under center and he can make things happen just like The Kaep Crusader.
TP would probably get into the end zone faster as he ran a quicker 40-yard dash than Kaepernick.
December 9th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Get a young quarterback that can move his feet. I am watching all these rookie quarterbacks that can run and throw i.e.; RGIII, Tannehill, Russell Wilson, Kapernick and Andrew Luck . “NO MORE USC QUARTERBACKS”
December 9th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Drew Brees pick prone?… Yep…cause he has to throw a lot… He’s got 17…
December 9th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Let’s do a little simple math here….
Mark Davis is a Raider
Therefore he hates the Niners by default
So much so he wont share a stadium with them
And the Niners are doing with Kaepernick what we should be doing with Houdini
Mark is watching this, and by definition, as a Raider fan, he’s furious
Whats that all equal?
DA is going to get himself fired if he doesnt show some flexibility here.
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Truth.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Fingers Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Qbs that have to throw a lot throw Ints….
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He threw a pick on his fifth pass attempt of the game Thursday night. You can’t possibly say that’s a result of throwing too many times.
Against KC, he threw an INT on his FIRST fugging pass of the game. To the gawdawful STANFORD ROUTT for chrissakes!!!
Palmer isn’t the biggest problem on this team, but he is a problem. He’s pick-prone, no matter how often he throws.
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Oh, so youre talking about this INT?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/oakland-raiders/0ap2000000086987/Chiefs-defense-INT
You know, the one where DHB couldnt even get his eyes on the ball let alone make a play on it.
If Im the WR there, Im embarrassed DHB let that INT happen. And so is every other legitimate WR that’s ever played the game.
That’s far from the worst thing the WR’s have done this year. And its far from Palmer’s worst INT. What you guys dont realize, is that in those situations, against that defesnive look, he’s coached to make that throw. 100 out of 100 times. From highschool on up. QBs are told to throw that.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Bree’s just threw another pick….19 now for the year….
December 9th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
We were so close to getting Colin Kap, oh well.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
I have never seen Carson Palmer take off and try to get a 1st down. Even Peyton Manning would run in a pinch and he is old.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Brees and Luck, most INTs in the league.
But like Ive said all along, unless any of us are watching those games closely and knowing what the situations were. What the possible audible/hotroutees were, then we really dont know the full story.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Brees is making my point… The Donk game was just 1 game.. But before Palmer even took the field he was behind 7 points … Our defense isn’t gonna hold Peyton manning and the Donk run game to 7 points very long….. Even though they did hold the Donks to 4 field goals
December 9th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
I hate watching Larry Fitzgerald every time he’s shown on TV
It’s just a unhealthy reminder of the fact that he should have been drafted by us.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Why the F%^%% did we let Stevie Brown go????
December 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Devilr8er
From the majority of accounts, Al Davis axed Stevie.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Up 51 to 0 ….. Pete Carrol goes for it on 4th and 23
Throws a bomb for the endzone and its nearly caught for yet another TD
I have a feeling Ken Wisenhunt is going to have a really eventful postgame presser. Im gonna go get some popcorn ready.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
stevie brown=playmaker
December 9th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
stevie brown=playmaker
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Dominant defensive ends = secondary that looks like playmakers
December 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Cardinals need Palmer more than we need him.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
We were so close to getting Colin Kap, oh well.
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DA and Knapp would mess him up. He would be on the bench just like TP.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Bree’s has a problem alot like our … A defense that can’t stop anybody and a special teams that gives up big returns…. Even after Brees scores …
I don’t know how many times the Raider special teams has given up a big return after The offense scores ….
December 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
I”m surprised Arizona boss Ken Wisenhunt hasn’t gone all Dennis Green during his postgame presser.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
stevie brown had a nose for the ball even with his breif stint with us.
God knows our defensive ends are not in the same catergory as New York.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Carroll seems like a good guy, but there are also times where he seems like a total f-kwad.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Cardinals need Palmer more than we need him.
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And we need Larry Fitzgerald more than they do.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Seahawks 51…. Cards…zip….. Damn..
December 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Agree… Raiders could use a # 1 reciever …..
December 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Wisenhunt looks like he wants to kill Carrol right now.
Nobody on the AZ sideline is standing even remotely close to coach Wisenhunt
And Wisenhunts eyes are fixated on the other HC across the field
It’s comical. This should be good. I cant wait for the handshake.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Carroll comes from the no-mercy school of coaching.
He’s a true believer in the if the defense can’t stop my offense, that’s their fault mold.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Wisemhunt getting fired?
December 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Let’s give AZ
Palmer, DHB, Rolando, and Kelly for Fitzgerald
You think they’d entertain it? Are they that stupid?
December 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Our best Wr might only be a# 3 on a lot of teams….
December 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Carroll comes from the no-mercy school of coaching.
He’s a true believer in the if the defense can’t stop my offense, that’s their fault mold.
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I agree with him.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Give the Cards RoMac too and Arizona will bite, Raider Riff!
December 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Interesting, the announcer is talking about how Seattle has gone to strictly a man blocking scheme this year. No more ZBS. And that is with Cable (a ZBS guy) as the assistant HC.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Wisenhunt*
Although it would be great to have Fitzgerald, there are way more pressing needs all over this roster.
Start fining wr’s for dropping balls in the end zone, damn it! Lol
December 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Bree’s leads the league in INTs?
People in here would want him tarred, feathered and burned at the stake.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Arizona might have as bad a defense as us….
December 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
fingers Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Agree… Raiders could use a # 1 reciever …..
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Gee…..you think?…
I’ve gotta write that sh’tz down.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Oh, I got him in there.
Palmer, Romac, DHB, & Kelly for Fitzgerald
Is there one person here who wouldnt approve of that?
That would free up about 25 million is salary cap and give us one of the best WRs in the game.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Yuck,
Saints D is non-existent. Giants rookie RB David Wilson just torched them — untouched — for a 52-yard TD run.
Ouch.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Carroll comes from the no-mercy school of coaching.
He’s a true believer in the if the defense can’t stop my offense, that’s their fault mold.
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I agree with him.
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I’m just jealous, I wish we could run the score up on anybody.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
240 lol truth
December 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Me too, Morilla. Me too.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Wisenhunt*
Although it would be great to have Fitzgerald, there are way more pressing needs all over this roster.
Start fining wr’s for dropping balls in the end zone, damn it! Lol
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Ya, we got more needs.
Some of them are dumping Kelly, Rolando, and DHB’s & Palmer’s salaries.
This fake trade would accomplish all of that and still allow us to use the draft and new cap room to fill the miriade of holes elsewhere.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
242… Yep, write it down… That way you’ll remember it..
December 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Riff,
Anything go down with the Carroll/Wisenhunt handshake?
December 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
That David Wison is going to set new records today. He’s got like almost 400 yds of offense himself doesnt he?
December 9th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
The whiners had trouble with Miami.
They will have trouble with Seattle in Seattle.
That guy that Al decided that he didn’t need….you know..the guy that all you azzhols wanted to get rid of-Zach Williams-is doing just fine.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Seahawks just scored again! hahahahaha
December 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
ackasspuria Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Riff,
Anything go down with the Carroll/Wisenhunt handshake?
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Game aint over yet.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Zach Miller, you mean, ENGLANDRAIDER?
December 9th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Wilson looks like he’s gonna be a good one….
December 9th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Riff,
Thanks! Don’t have access to game. Watching tailend of Saints/Giants.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Zach Miller, you mean, ENGLANDRAIDER
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Yes I did.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Wilson has gone from whipping boy due to his fumbles on kick returns and runs to a dangerous weapon.
The way he’s matured is impressive considering the task-master of a head coach the Giants have in Coughlin.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Riff,
Palmer turns the ball over and loses football games. thats just what he does. he did that in Cincy and he does that in Oakland
if you’re impressed by a bunch of yards and TD’s that amount to squat, let me buy you a Kerry Collins or Jeff George jersey, ok?
perhaps you missed it yesterday when I posted that JaMarcus Russell had fewer INT’s and more wins in the same number of starts in Oakland and he was a 22 year old (not to mention 300 lbs, sleep apnea, sizzurp, etc) – not a 32 year old like Carson
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Great points RRS. Two corrections though. JR was never 300 lbs and he never had any drug problems. He was thrown into the worst situation for an NFL QB in history and was still better than CP. He deserves every dime he EARNED here and a few medals to boot.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Sidenote:
Anyone see Vikings Punter Kluwe wearing a Vote Ray Guy In post-it note on his uniform?
Awesome and classy move.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Seattle is for real
But I doubt the league lets them win a SuperBowl. Especially if they are playing NE or Pitt.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Interesting, the announcer is talking about how Seattle has gone to strictly a man blocking scheme this year. No more ZBS. And that is with Cable (a ZBS guy) as the assistant HC.
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Good point and…he’s running the offensive line.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I remember the days when the Seahawks were in the AFC West!
December 9th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Wow. Nothing interesting with the handshake. Bummer.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Damn… oh well. There’s always the postgame presser.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
I miss Wylie.
You guys want to see the definition of an O-line coach? Go watch some of his pressers after practices.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I remember the days when the Seahawks were in the AFC West!
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Largent!
December 9th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Great Sunday! Oakland didn’t get beat down today!
December 9th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
When you’re up by that much and you go for it on 4th down, what does that say about you?
That’s a rhetorical question by the way.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Let’s give AZ
Palmer, DHB, Rolando, and Kelly for Fitzgerald
You think they’d entertain it? Are they that stupid?
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You can’t possibly be dumb enough to mean that Riff, so I won’t make any sarcastic remarks.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Riff, I went back and read your experience with the OJ incident. Crazy stuff, makes sense. I never knew about the books written saying it was the son. If that is true ( we’ll probably never know ) I really need to take back everything I’ve ever said about the Juice.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Were you working there for the West Coast vs. East Coast tiffs?
I have a buddy who is a producer for a big label in Atlanta, he tells me crazy stories that parallel yours. One night I had to pick him up after the studio got aired out by about 3 SUVs.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
DMC and Kelly for Fitz and D. Dockett!!!
December 9th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
fingers Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Our best Wr might only be a# 3 on a lot of teams….
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Our best receiver is only #3 on our team too. That’s part of the problem.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RaiderReggie Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
I have never seen Carson Palmer take off and try to get a 1st down. Even Peyton Manning would run in a pinch and he is old.
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Apparently you don’t watch every game.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
fingers Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Drew Brees pick prone?… Yep…cause he has to throw a lot…
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That is exactly why. And what does that tell us about Palmer’s interceptions?
December 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
J Hill Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
The picks from Palmer hurt so much because the rest of our team was so bad. We shouldn’t have to play turnover, or shall I say mistake free, each and every week.
Sure would be nice to see the defense or special teams pick us up after a turnover. Have the offenses back, if you will.
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Serious questions…
1. How many of Palmers INT’s, since last year, have gone off the hands of our own guys. I can think of 5 just off the top of my head.
2. How many of Palmer’s INT’s have been a result of the WR running the wrong route? I can think of 5 just off the top of my head.
3. How many dropped passes, going back to last year, occurred in the redzone/endzone? I can think of over 15 off the top of my head.
4. How many TD’s have been called back due to stupid penalties by our RT? I can think of 1 off the top of my head.
5. How many INT’s were actually just a straight up bad play by Palmer since he’s been here? I’d bet money it’s under 10 if you leave out the KC game.
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With all due respect, none of these questions matter. What matters is winning or losing. Digging into palmers stats and blaming dropped passes and bad routes doesn’t change the fact that Palmer is a loser. Sure, it’s not all his fault, you would have to be an idiot to think so, not even close actually. But the pics in the Atlanta and Cleveland an Denver games were uncalled for and crushing. I can give credit to Samuel for making a play in Atlanta, but it doesn’t matter. I was a Palmer supporter. And honestly he probably is our best QB since Gannon, but that’s not saying much. And the worst is, he’s a loser. Some guys find a way to win, Palmer finds ways to lose. He’s never won anything in the NFL and never will.
Again, I’m still not blaming Palmer. With the exception of the Denver pick, many of his bs ones were late in the game, when 10 other things could have or should have happened so he wasn’t in that position in the first place. But it just doesn’t matter. He’s schlep rock. He’s got a black cloud ove his head. However you wanna put it, he’s a loser. And yes, despite his stats, or the reasons for them both positive and negative, he’s way more similar to Kerry Collins and Jeff George than Gannon. That fact that he might break Gannon’s record is disgusting to me.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
We should trade Palmer & DMac to AZ for a 1st & 2nd round pick. We’ll be able to get Alex Smith in FA. That would go a good ways to start bringing in some good talent. We might be able, under that scenario, pick up BOTH Star Lotulelei & Manti Te’o to help on defense.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Morilla Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Were you working there for the West Coast vs. East Coast tiffs?
I have a buddy who is a producer for a big label in Atlanta, he tells me crazy stories that parallel yours. One night I had to pick him up after the studio got aired out by about 3 SUVs.
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I worked on the West Coast.
This was post-all that east/west crap.
One time a guy was telling us how good he fvcked his girlfriend the night before. And another rapper starts to say that he fvcked his own girlfriend much better. Within about 25 seconds it escalated to shouting and then a gun being pulled and the studio cleared out.
Crazy times.
I even saw a deal go down where this guy showed up in a Range Rover and in the back he had 3 uzi’s for sale.
You just never knew what each day was going to bring.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Thats how petty the arguments were and just how ugly they could get.
December 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RaiderReggie Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
I have never seen Carson Palmer take off and try to get a 1st down. Even Peyton Manning would run in a pinch and he is old.
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Apparently you don’t watch every game.
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Apparently, you don’t know what you are talking about. I haven’t missed a single Raider game in 15 years and been a Raider fan for 42 years.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
R8eray Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
DMC and Kelly for Fitz and D. Dockett!!!
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Only if Al Davis was reincarnated into a cardinals GM? You have to be joking? Two of our problem children for two of their best players? You must play in a fantasy league by yourself or something.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Here’s the numbers – 22 – 66. That’s the win/loss totals from November 1st through the end of the regular season since 2003 by the Raiders including their current goose eggs in 2012. It’s 11 wins in November and 11 wins in December/January since 2003 (a few “bye” weeks happened in November over that time affecting wins/losses in Nov. compared to Dec). 30 losses in November and 36 losses in Dec/Jan. Unless DA can get the troops up for three straight wins (doubtful), then we break our streak of winning three straight in Nov. or Dec. over the past two years. This team/culture/fan base are so use to the Raider’s folding in the second half of the season, it’s pathetic. Something drastic needs to happen. Diehard fans deserve better…BETTER I SAY!!!
December 9th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RaiderReggie Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RaiderReggie Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
I have never seen Carson Palmer take off and try to get a 1st down. Even Peyton Manning would run in a pinch and he is old.
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Apparently you don’t watch every game.
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Apparently, you don’t know what you are talking about. I haven’t missed a single Raider game in 15 years and been a Raider fan for 42 years.
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Maybe you’re watching with one eye. You’ve never seen Palmer try and run when no one was open?
December 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
J Hill Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
The picks from Palmer hurt so much because the rest of our team was so bad. We shouldn’t have to play turnover, or shall I say mistake free, each and every week.
Sure would be nice to see the defense or special teams pick us up after a turnover. Have the offenses back, if you will.
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Serious questions…
1. How many of Palmers INT’s, since last year, have gone off the hands of our own guys. I can think of 5 just off the top of my head.
2. How many of Palmer’s INT’s have been a result of the WR running the wrong route? I can think of 5 just off the top of my head.
3. How many dropped passes, going back to last year, occurred in the redzone/endzone? I can think of over 15 off the top of my head.
4. How many TD’s have been called back due to stupid penalties by our RT? I can think of 1 off the top of my head.
5. How many INT’s were actually just a straight up bad play by Palmer since he’s been here? I’d bet money it’s under 10 if you leave out the KC game.
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With all due respect, none of these questions matter. What matters is winning or losing. Digging into palmers stats and blaming dropped passes and bad routes doesn’t change the fact that Palmer is a loser. Sure, it’s not all his fault, you would have to be an idiot to think so, not even close actually. But the pics in the Atlanta and Cleveland an Denver games were uncalled for and crushing. I can give credit to Samuel for making a play in Atlanta, but it doesn’t matter. I was a Palmer supporter. And honestly he probably is our best QB since Gannon, but that’s not saying much. And the worst is, he’s a loser. Some guys find a way to win, Palmer finds ways to lose. He’s never won anything in the NFL and never will.
Again, I’m still not blaming Palmer. With the exception of the Denver pick, many of his bs ones were late in the game, when 10 other things could have or should have happened so he wasn’t in that position in the first place. But it just doesn’t matter. He’s schlep rock. He’s got a black cloud ove his head. However you wanna put it, he’s a loser. And yes, despite his stats, or the reasons for them both positive and negative, he’s way more similar to Kerry Collins and Jeff George than Gannon. That fact that he might break Gannon’s record is disgusting to me.
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How can you say that those variables dont matter when its those things that win and lose games in this league?
You wanna talk about losers??? Palmer has played his entire career for the Bungals and the Raiders. The two worst franchises in the NFL over the last 25 year. The two most poorly run jokes of a team in the league.
Yet you want to call Palmer a loser. Pot meet kettle.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
I’d get rid of DA/KNAPP before Rolando McClain
December 9th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
JB Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
We should trade Palmer & DMac to AZ for a 1st & 2nd round pick. We’ll be able to get Alex Smith in FA. That would go a good ways to start bringing in some good talent. We might be able, under that scenario, pick up BOTH Star Lotulelei & Manti Te’o to help on defense.
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And then maybe we can get Green Bay to give us clay Matthews, and pay his salary for us. Then, we can give DA a lobotomy and turn him into a modern day Vince Lombardi or maybe the giants would just trade is straight up DA for coughlin? Then, we can get a new stadium on the moon where there is only 1 sixth gravity, so we can pass it farther and janikowski can kick 90 yard field goals, but require the opposing team to use a ball 6 times as heavy as ours.
That all sounds really good.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
NeilB! Are you out there?
December 9th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
That would be a dream scenario if we could somehow manage to pull that off; trade DMAC, Palmer, McClain and DHB for the Cardinals 1st and 2nd rd picks. Although I think it’s highly unlikely, keeping that #1 and trading the other #1 for more picks would be NFL lottery like in the amount of good players that we might reap from such a heist.
Will pray for this outcome. Lol
December 9th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Last year proved to me that guys like dmac, d moore, and dhb can play. Im not going to bash them when theyre obviously not being used accordingly. This staff has failed the players and fans. We all know these guys can do better because weve seen them do better. When josh mcdaniels came in he got rid of cutler and brandon marshall for erik decker and tim tebow…. If we get rid of dmac and d moore because of knapp and DAs lack of imagination as coaches it will be a big mistake, dont let this staff ineptness cloud your judgement. Im going to wait until we get a real coaching staff in here to work with these guys before I decide wether they can play or not. One thing I do know is we had tons of chemistry last year under hue this year we have none due to all the drastic change, and da doesnt seem like type that can bring guys together and make them gel.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RaiderReggie Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RaiderReggie Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
I have never seen Carson Palmer take off and try to get a 1st down. Even Peyton Manning would run in a pinch and he is old.
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Apparently you don’t watch every game.
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Apparently, you don’t know what you are talking about. I haven’t missed a single Raider game in 15 years and been a Raider fan for 42 years.
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Maybe you’re watching with one eye. You’ve never seen Palmer try and run when no one was open?
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I also record every game for a season. I just don’t remember him trying to get up the field on a consistant basis when no one is open.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
So what Palmer was playing with ochocinco, T.O who had 1,000 yards that year and cedric benson.
He threw for over 4,000 yards and still 24 ints. Pallmer is an average qb who throws INTS right when you are mounting a comeback.
15 million for that? 15 million for a guy that cant even scramble for a first down? NOPE..
December 9th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Post 288… Agreed, maybe even mark davis feels that way and thats why hes not gone yet…
December 9th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
It is always uplifting when someone turns their life around, kudos to Adam Jones.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
J Hill Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
The picks from Palmer hurt so much because the rest of our team was so bad. We shouldn’t have to play turnover, or shall I say mistake free, each and every week.
Sure would be nice to see the defense or special teams pick us up after a turnover. Have the offenses back, if you will.
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Serious questions…
1. How many of Palmers INT’s, since last year, have gone off the hands of our own guys. I can think of 5 just off the top of my head.
2. How many of Palmer’s INT’s have been a result of the WR running the wrong route? I can think of 5 just off the top of my head.
3. How many dropped passes, going back to last year, occurred in the redzone/endzone? I can think of over 15 off the top of my head.
4. How many TD’s have been called back due to stupid penalties by our RT? I can think of 1 off the top of my head.
5. How many INT’s were actually just a straight up bad play by Palmer since he’s been here? I’d bet money it’s under 10 if you leave out the KC game.
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With all due respect, none of these questions matter. What matters is winning or losing. Digging into palmers stats and blaming dropped passes and bad routes doesn’t change the fact that Palmer is a loser. Sure, it’s not all his fault, you would have to be an idiot to think so, not even close actually. But the pics in the Atlanta and Cleveland an Denver games were uncalled for and crushing. I can give credit to Samuel for making a play in Atlanta, but it doesn’t matter. I was a Palmer supporter. And honestly he probably is our best QB since Gannon, but that’s not saying much. And the worst is, he’s a loser. Some guys find a way to win, Palmer finds ways to lose. He’s never won anything in the NFL and never will.
Again, I’m still not blaming Palmer. With the exception of the Denver pick, many of his bs ones were late in the game, when 10 other things could have or should have happened so he wasn’t in that position in the first place. But it just doesn’t matter. He’s schlep rock. He’s got a black cloud ove his head. However you wanna put it, he’s a loser. And yes, despite his stats, or the reasons for them both positive and negative, he’s way more similar to Kerry Collins and Jeff George than Gannon. That fact that he might break Gannon’s record is disgusting to me.
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How can you say that those variables dont matter when its those things that win and lose games in this league?
You wanna talk about losers??? Palmer has played his entire career for the Bungals and the Raiders. The two worst franchises in the NFL over the last 25 year. The two most poorly run jokes of a team in the league.
Yet you want to call Palmer a loser. Pot meet kettle.
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He is a loser. He makes mistakes at critical times, whethe it’s picks or strip sacks or general poor decision making. I didn’t say your questions aren’t valid. They are, on the surface. There r tons of dropped balls. Moore lost a game all by himself w running piss poor routes, Palmer wouldn’t have fumbled if Willie smith wasn’t alive. Again, none of it matters. Greatness finds a way to be great. Palmer just doesn’t have it. There’s story after story of QBs coming from bad situations and reinventing their careers post 30 years of age. Hell, the raiders have two such players in their history that I can think of, w 3 Super Bowl appearances between them. Palmer will NEVER see a Super Bowl, unless he buys a ticket. He projects losing, he has a losing aire about him. He always has. I too was hoping he would be our third QB reclamation project that led to a Super Bowl. But I hope even you will admit he will never do that for us. He may not be to blame, but he doesn’t make us better. He just fits right in with all the other mess we have right now.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Twocents Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
It is always uplifting when someone turns their life around, kudos to Adam Jones.
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You should read my posts about PacMan in the previous thread.
It might change your opinion of the guy.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
These recievers arent dumb, they didnt have a problem running routes last year and they dodnt even have a offseason to learn plays. Maybe the coaches dont go over the details enough, its one thing to draw up a play and tell a player to do something vs showing them how you want it done in detail.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
RaiderReggie:
There have been numerous times when Palmer used his legs because no one was open and he didn’t want to get his azz driven into the turf.
You’ve been watching for 42 years? Any of these receivers remind you of Freddie or Branch?
Palmer is the best QB we’ve had since Gannon.
For a lot of posters on here just a few of the many problems with Palmer is that he can’t catch the ball after he throws it, can’t block worth a shi!z like any decent offensive lineman and just can’t run up the middle. (sarcasm).
December 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Give Palmer an OL and a running game and who knows what he could do.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Palmer had a running game and decent line play last year…
December 9th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Really?
December 9th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
RaiderReggie:
There have been numerous times when Palmer used his legs because no one was open and he didn’t want to get his azz driven into the turf.
You’ve been watching for 42 years? Any of these receivers remind you of Freddie or Branch?
Palmer is the best QB we’ve had since Gannon.
For a lot of posters on here just a few of the many problems with Palmer is that he can’t catch the ball after he throws it, can’t block worth a shi!z like any decent offensive lineman and just can’t run up the middle. (sarcasm).
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Being the best quarterback for the raiders since Gannon isn’t saying much. Palmer is a loser, just like every other USC quarterback. Idk what it is about USC. They breed national champion QBs that can’t do a damned thing in the NFL. nvm Palmer and leinart and Sanchez. Anybody remember Todd marinovich?
December 9th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
These recievers arent dumb, they didnt have a problem running routes last year and they dodnt even have a offseason to learn plays.
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I think that’s a big factor.
The system change….I didn’t like Knapp the last time he was here and I still don’t like him.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I watched every game I could last year and never thought we were on the verge of greatness.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
I’m not as harsh as some of you about Palmer and I actually think he’d be a lot better if our team was better….. A defense that gives up 402 points in 13 games….a special tens that’s sucks… And MCFadden averaging just over 3 yrds a carry…WRs that can’t catch , run a route or stay on they’re feet….. That will give you some L’s ……
Wouldn’t hurt to start developing a young Qb through the draft or hopefully findout Pryor has a future ….
December 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Look at this hit list of USC quarterbacks, of which we have had the misfortune of having several:
Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Sean Salisbury, Rodney Peete, Pat Haden, Matt Cassel, Bill Nelsen, Pete Beathard, Vince Evans, Paul McDonald, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson AND John David Booty
USC quarterbacks that have “played” in the NFL. I dare anyone to name more than one guy on that list (pat Haden) worth a shlt!
December 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
RaiderReggie:
There have been numerous times when Palmer used his legs because no one was open and he didn’t want to get his azz driven into the turf.
You’ve been watching for 42 years? Any of these receivers remind you of Freddie or Branch?
Palmer is the best QB we’ve had since Gannon.
For a lot of posters on here just a few of the many problems with Palmer is that he can’t catch the ball after he throws it, can’t block worth a shi!z like any decent offensive lineman and just can’t run up the middle. (sarcasm).
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I agree that these receivers are not on the same planet as Tim Brown, Freddie or Branch. I just want to see Carson Palmer play like a veteran quarterback suppose to play and take a leadership role with these young receivers. You watch how Peyton Manning gather his wide receivers while their defense is on the field. Carson just sit on the bench looking disconnected.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Last years team?… IMO wasn’t nearly as good as their record…don’t think it was really a . 500 team…
December 9th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
0ak r8rs Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Look at this hit list of USC quarterbacks, of which we have had the misfortune of having several:
Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Sean Salisbury, Rodney Peete, Pat Haden, Matt Cassel, Bill Nelsen, Pete Beathard, Vince Evans, Paul McDonald, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson AND John David Booty
USC quarterbacks that have “played” in the NFL. I dare anyone to name more than one guy on that list (pat Haden) worth a shlt!
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I agree! “NO MORE USC QUARTERBACKS” Are you listening Reggie McKenzie!!!
December 9th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Fingers Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Last years team?… IMO wasn’t nearly as good as their record…don’t think it was really a . 500 team…
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Agreed. Got lucky in several games last year. Plus an “Al Davis is dead” miracle game on the road in Houston. Maybe if DA or someone close to him dies……. Oh wait.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Being the best quarterback for the raiders since Gannon isn’t saying much. Palmer is a loser,
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First statement=true.
Second statement=false. And in addition, a gigantic over-simplification.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Can we just lose the next 3 games Please!
The commisioner will understand and we will get the
ESPN attention . BOY, I never been so proud of my team.
. ” Go Raiders ” 3-13
December 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
McKenzie and DA have spent their lives in football while their detractors have spent their lives on a couch.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Listen, Peyton Manning is one of the best quarterbacks that we’ve seen in the league in a long time.
Evaluating other quarterbacks by his standards is a waste of time.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Palmer is good enough to get us the Jets 1st rd pick and maybe even more.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Being the best quarterback for the raiders since Gannon isn’t saying much. Palmer is a loser,
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First statement=true.
Second statement=false. And in addition, a gigantic over-simplification.
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See 298. Agree or not I expand.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Trading Palmer only works if Pryor can play.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
One of the better questions is whether it is better to lose the next three games or win them.
I really thought that Indy was losing on purpose last year to get lucky and get Luck because that guy is something.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Twocents Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
McKenzie and DA have spent their lives in football while their detractors have spent their lives on a couch.
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True, but most of us have resumes and accolades just about as extensive. Not really of course, but you know what I mean?
December 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
It is easy to be a critic, just sit on your ass and denigrate people that have a job.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
One of the better questions is whether it is better to lose the next three games or win them.
I really thought that Indy was losing on purpose last year to get lucky and get Luck because that guy is something.
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The colts definitely dumped last year. I don’t believe it then, but seeing their success and the fact that they can all of a sudden play defense again this year, I’m sure of it. And yea, I think we should do the same, even in a weak draft class (which of course is just our luck). Couldn’t be a monster QB class like last year? Christ.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Bill Williamson@espn_afcwest
#Raiders They sure could use a DB like Stevie Brown … Oh wait, they used to have him.
Retweeted by Jeremy Ware
December 9th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Goodell, you suck.
The end
December 9th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Listen, Peyton Manning is one of the best quarterbacks that we’ve seen in the league in a long time.
Evaluating other quarterbacks by his standards is a waste of time.
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No one is asking Carson Palmer to be Peyton Manning. However, he can be a poor man Peyton Manning by taking a leadership role with these young receivers. Most veteran quarterbacks talk with their receivers while the defense is one the field. Heck, I see young quarterbacks being more connected than Palmer.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Game notes from Thursday:
The Raiders still can’t get out of their own way.
K Longworth still looks good.
Reggie still sucks as a GM.
#3-13
GO WARRIORS!
December 9th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Mckenzie and allen have spent their lives around football but yet they werent smart enough to maximize off of a 8-8 team and make them better indtead all of their football genius has made the team worse… Just bevause theyre on the big stage it doesnt mean theyre all knowing I know a few juco coaches who could do a better job than these lames.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Twocents Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
It is easy to be a critic, just sit on your ass and denigrate people that have a job.
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Easy. The next step in that argument basically says we shouldn’t even have a blog. What’s the point if we aren’t all former NFL players and coaches? Really? This blog serves a purpose for us only. It’s not like Reggie reads it or anything. It’s a way to vent and express opinions and sometimes facts. It doesn’t matter that we sit on couches.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
What once was a proud franchise is now the Reggie McKenzie clown show.
3-13
December 9th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
If DA and Reggie were true nfl genius we wouldnt be 3-10 right now, wed be on the verge like indianapolis
December 9th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
DA is the next lane kiffin
December 9th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Raiders could use a offensive tackle bad…
December 9th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
I would love to hear the PRESSER of Al being back here and him fixing this coaching mess.
KNAAP GTFOH.
Who is Dickson Allen?
it would be comedy
December 9th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
How does being vile and obnoxious advance anything?
December 9th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
http://youtu.be/SY3T_XPBjho
listen to Al Davis here at the 2 min 30 sec mark? same can be said for this “regime”
December 9th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Twocents Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
It is easy to be a critic, just sit on your ass and denigrate people that have a job.
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Easy. The next step in that argument basically says we shouldn’t even have a blog. What’s the point if we aren’t all former NFL players and coaches? Really? This blog serves a purpose for us only. It’s not like Reggie reads it or anything. It’s a way to vent and express opinions and sometimes facts. It doesn’t matter that we sit on couches.
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Maybe not Reggie, but they read it. Trust me, they read it.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
I would love to hear the PRESSER of Al being back here and him fixing this coaching mess.
KNAAP GTFOH.
Who is Dickson Allen?
it would be comedy
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I kind of would like Al back for a day or two. Just make sure he GTFO before the draft!
December 9th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Twocents Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I watched every game I could last year and never thought we were on the verge of greatness.
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I still have all of them. You speak the truth.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Twocents Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
How does being vile and obnoxious advance anything?
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It can get you elected two cents.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
What once was a proud franchise is now the Reggie McKenzie clown show.
3-13
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What was once a proud franchise is now the Mark Davis clown show.
He’s the man that gave the green light to hire Reggie McKenzie. Blame falls on Davis for this disaster.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
2010 Defense was nice. Raiders playing in san diego against the chargers and beat a playoff chargers team
I remember in the 4th quarter playing with the lead.. the Raider D was lock down.
ASO and Chris johnson at corner. They had some type of 3 saftey set.
It was Mitchell, Branch , Stevie brown
December 9th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
This team has floundered since 2002…
December 9th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
337…..now that’s a man that knows football….watch and learn mark…
December 9th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
That John Marshall D wasn’t outstanding, but it was effective.
Marshall would send both safties Huff and Branch on blitzes and it would work.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Sad and funny, but true. Hussein is a POS class warefare divider marxist dictator.
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ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Twocents Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
How does being vile and obnoxious advance anything?
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It can get you elected two cents.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER, you made me laugh and spit my fine wine all over my screen! It was worth it.
December 9th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
346….they worked because of the press man coverage…gave the blitz time enough to get there…
December 9th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Al_is_theraiders
Sometimes, I miss the press-man coverage.
That’s the D I employ when playing Madden… the Al Davis press-man D.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Just like Al admitted picking the wrong guy with Lane Kiffin.
Mark is gonna have to admit Reggie picked the wrong guy in DA and get rid of him after the season
Lane kiffin didnt Rob ryan and Al told him u are gonna keep him and he al didnt want to change the whole defensive scheme. Mark should have stepped in and said leave the offense alone
December 9th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Sorry, but people who think that McKenzie will fire DA next year are retards.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
It’s going to be an interesting off season for sure.
From whether or not the coaching staff stays or goes to the draft and free agency, there’s plenty of story lines.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
We’ll probably go for 100 years or so without having a winning, playoff, Super Bowl season…it will be known as the Barret Robbins curse!!!
December 9th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Riff,
Palmer turns the ball over and loses football games. thats just what he does. he did that in Cincy and he does that in Oakland
if you’re impressed by a bunch of yards and TD’s that amount to squat, let me buy you a Kerry Collins or Jeff George jersey, ok?
perhaps you missed it yesterday when I posted that JaMarcus Russell had fewer INT’s and more wins in the same number of starts in Oakland and he was a 22 year old (not to mention 300 lbs, sleep apnea, sizzurp, etc) – not a 32 year old like Carson
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If this is true, it speaks volumns. Leaves nothing else to be said.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
I would expect a new OC and OL coach but not much else.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Kiffin is a punk. On the other hand, he never wanted Russell so he must have a certain amount of grey matter.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Well…look at the bright side, only 90 years or so left!!
December 9th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Stop acting like Reggie is in total control. Mark is the one who is control. Believe me if Mark wanted DA gone at the end of the season he would
what owner talks to the coach on the way home? like Mark said the raiders are a different orginization than most. Stop thinking because Al is gone it will be different.
if anything Mark was passive last year. I see he is starting to become more vocal. Mark is just letting Mckenzie drive his Ferrari.. well more like camry now but he has the keys
December 9th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
It’s a damn shame our football IQ is so low at certain positions that we can’t mix in any semblance of a zone D.
We should be able to run man AND one D.
We tried to run a lot more man this past weekend. Did you see Bartell getting toasted?
We need better players.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
I just don’t see the GM firing HIS hand picked HC after one bad season.
Could certainly see Knapp being fired.
Owner isn’t stepping in and over ruling his GM.
Just don’t see it.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Mark Davis wouldn’t find one football person who would tell him he should fire his HC this offseason.
Davis Jr isn’t an A hole.
He probably wanted to hear the HCs thoughts on his roster.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
I’m serious I watch the Packers and eevryone raves about their supposed talent. What I see is a phenomenal QB and some rec’s and evrything else is very average. IMO without that QB they are a bad football team………..period
December 9th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
I think our OL can be improved by next year but our defense is a long term project.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
I can’t wait until we are relevant again. Watch football today proves to me how far off we really are. Sad.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Yet we have a GM from there who comes in here soo arrogant and condescending as if he biult some powerhouse football team in GB. I look at the team and it aint much better than what’s already here except the QB.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Both Qb’s are running for their lives neither team has much of a running game and the defenses are suspect.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
It begins and ends with management, and the Raiders are screwed. This whole mess is Mark and Reggie’s fault and the mistakes are so big they can’t be fixed anytime soon.
Big mistake #1. Firing Hue Jackson.
Mark had Reggie fire Hue for stupid personal reasons not performance related, having no clue (or not caring) how important he was to this team. The firing was an embarrassing to the franchise and an f-u to the fans – firing an 8-8 coach after *1* season?!! Ruining the continuity, alienating ‘Hue’s guys’ (Palmer, Ford, Moore, Murphy, Branch, Huff, DMC, etc), the Raiders are still on the hook for Hue’s $3+ million a year contract this year as he had a 2 year deal.
Big mistake #2. Hiring Dennis ‘ummm’ Allen to a long-term contract.
Reggie goes out and hires this jerk Allen who has no HC experience and was a DC for *one* season and even he admitted in the presser he didn’t know who this guy is but told he was an ‘up and coming HC’ by his ’sources’ – gave him 2 interviews and was hired and given a, wait for it, *4* year deal! Wow. For an unknown with no HC experience that was a huge risk – especially considering he looks like a tired golf pro with a total lack of personality – complete contrast to Hue, who had charisma, and looked/talked the part. Can’t image what his salary is, must its certainly in the 2-4 million a year range and he has a 4 year deal!!!
Big mistake #3. Greg Knapp and changing the offense.
Anyone who has followed this team since 2009 – it was clear the offense was the strength of the team – it was actually one of the better O’s in the AFC – and was putting up big numbers for 2 straight seasons, both under Hue and especially last year with Al Saunders as OC. Al Saunders, like Hue had a 2 year contract so the Raiders still had to pay him for 2012 – it made a ton of sense to keep him as OC/Assistant HC and run the same effective offense as well as mentor the uber-green Allen especially for season #1. Reggie should have insisted or strongly suggested this course. Instead Reggie gives Allen cart blanch to completely blow up the staff, scheme and change direction, hire Greg ‘take a dirt’ Knapp, a proven loser, offense to fit his desire, not the team’s strength. Al Saunders is kept around only because his contract is guaranteed so is relegated to helping position coaches. To make matters worse, Bush and Satelle are allowed to walk with no offers (both starters for us playing well) in FA, 2 guys that could have easily been kept at reasonable prices. Instead he goes out and gets Brisel for a terrible contract like 5yr $20mil?!! – who expendable for Houston has been an absolute bust for us.
And all the crap that has happened since flows from these 3 critical mistakes. Plus for a team in such financial duress (how much is Reggie’s GM salary that they never had to pay before?), if they fire Knapp, still on the hook for his salary? Likely. Same goes for Tarver. And as for Allen, he ain’t going anywhere and even if they do fire the coordinators, don’t expect anybody worth their salt to want to come play under this guy. We’re screwed.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Yet we have a bunch of brainwashed fans who think these players can’t go anywhere else and play. Well i’m watching 2 teams that a lot of these players can replace. Other than the QB’s and a few WR’s I don’t see anything special about either team………….period
The Packers defense STINKS it’s just they play with a lead most of time.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Jets would pick around 15 right now.
1st and a 3rd for Palmer.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
These recievers arent dumb, they didnt have a problem running routes last year and they dodnt even have a offseason to learn plays. Maybe the coaches dont go over the details enough, its one thing to draw up a play and tell a player to do something vs showing them how you want it done in detail.
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Do you really think that this stuff isnt gone over in practice?
That somehow, Palmer knows but the WR’s coach isnt going over the audibles with the receivers?
Seriously? This is what youre hanging your argument on? This is so far a reach its not even funny.
EVERY detail is gone over at this level.
Man, I get dumber the more I read of these posts sometimes.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Yet we have a bunch of brainwashed fans who think these players can’t go anywhere else and play. Well i’m watching 2 teams that a lot of these players can replace. Other than the QB’s and a few WR’s I don’t see anything special about either team………….period
The Packers defense STINKS it’s just they play with a lead most of time.
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December 9th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
J Hill Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Jets would pick around 15 right now.
1st and a 3rd for Palmer.
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Palmer is the best quarterback that we’ve had since Gannon and we have no one to replace him with but that actually isn’t a bad move.
We should also think about trading McFadden. The guy can run but he cannot run down the middle without getting injured.
What we need are draft picks.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
J Hill Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Jets would pick around 15 right now.
1st and a 3rd for Palmer.
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I pull the trigger on that in a heartbeat.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
The official “Who Hates Goodell” Poll
yes – Marks Hair
yes – raider riff
yes – RaiderLen
yes – MistaBrown
4-0
December 9th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Post 368 says it all.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
I hate Goodell.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Do you really think that this stuff isnt gone over in practice?
That somehow, Palmer knows but the WR’s coach isnt going over the audibles with the receivers?
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Yeah, this is certainly true.
What playbook would Gruden, Cowher, Shaw, or any other HC bring that would get DMac his half a step back?
Palmer to stop throwing picks?
Our RT situation back to respectable?
December 9th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
The official “Who Hates Goodell” Poll
yes – Marks Hair
yes – raider riff
yes – RaiderLen
yes – MistaBrown
4-0
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Put me down for two votes yes on account of (1) I’m half dead having spent the night with Jack and Jim and (2) I once lived in Chicago.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
This team needs a real OC , not some former qb coach from the Texans. We also need a real running back that can gain positive yardage,
I was the 1st on this board last year to suggest we trade Dmac, and yes I predicted that he would again go down with another injury this year. I posted under the handle “the council of nine” . I’m begaining to wonder about DA, I mean the team looks so ill prepared and disinterested. DA may not have the talent to run the schemes he wants to both offensivly and defensevly but why try to ram a square peg into a round hole by trying to make players try and do things they cant do ? Plus DA seems so passive, could this passivness be rubbing off on the team ?
Our offense last year was a formidable force, now its trash , it cant be all on the players.
I can undertand having a terrible defense, with over paid D linemen and having to sign cb’s that no other team wants.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
DMac will be in his last year with us at 5 million. I’d wait to see who the new OC is before trading him. I certainly wouldn’t pencil him in as an every down back. I’d focus on getting him touches instead of carries.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
IMO you would have a hard time giving Palmer away. I think you guys are delusional, Palmer has been a serious disappointment whether you guys realize it or not. He has cost us games you can make all the excuses you want about WR’s Oline and coaching he has thrown costly picks all year long.
I defended him all last year because I knew he would show up this year and play lights out football. What I have witnessed is mistake prone football and questionable judgement all year long but I’ve been slwo to come to this conclusion due to all the poor coaching but going back to the very first game this year he just couldn’t gte anything going. I blamed Knapp, but it’s week 13 man and he cannot win games……..period
December 9th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
I’d rather have Teo than that Moore kid, we need a Leader on Defense, yea he’s small and maybe not as fast….but the kids for heart n fire..thats what we need!!! Draft Teo!!! Plus imagine how good he’ll look playing in that Silver n Black!!!!
December 9th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Yet we have a bunch of brainwashed fans who think these players can’t go anywhere else and play. Well i’m watching 2 teams that a lot of these players can replace. Other than the QB’s and a few WR’s I don’t see anything special about either team………….period
The Packers defense STINKS it’s just they play with a lead most of time.
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I agree also, it must be nice to go from a HOF QB to possibly another ala 9ers from Montana to Young. Colts may have the same Luck also, no pun intended.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
It begins and ends with management, and the Raiders are screwed. This whole mess is Mark and Reggie’s fault and the mistakes are so big they can’t be fixed anytime soon.
Big mistake #1. Firing Hue Jackson.
Mark had Reggie fire Hue for stupid personal reasons not performance related, having no clue (or not caring) how important he was to this team. The firing was an embarrassing to the franchise and an f-u to the fans – firing an 8-8 coach after *1* season?!! Ruining the continuity, alienating ‘Hue’s guys’ (Palmer, Ford, Moore, Murphy, Branch, Huff, DMC, etc), the Raiders are still on the hook for Hue’s $3+ million a year contract this year as he had a 2 year deal.
Big mistake #2. Hiring Dennis ‘ummm’ Allen to a long-term contract.
Reggie goes out and hires this jerk Allen who has no HC experience and was a DC for *one* season and even he admitted in the presser he didn’t know who this guy is but told he was an ‘up and coming HC’ by his ’sources’ – gave him 2 interviews and was hired and given a, wait for it, *4* year deal! Wow. For an unknown with no HC experience that was a huge risk – especially considering he looks like a tired golf pro with a total lack of personality – complete contrast to Hue, who had charisma, and looked/talked the part. Can’t image what his salary is, must its certainly in the 2-4 million a year range and he has a 4 year deal!!!
Big mistake #3. Greg Knapp and changing the offense.
Anyone who has followed this team since 2009 – it was clear the offense was the strength of the team – it was actually one of the better O’s in the AFC – and was putting up big numbers for 2 straight seasons, both under Hue and especially last year with Al Saunders as OC. Al Saunders, like Hue had a 2 year contract so the Raiders still had to pay him for 2012 – it made a ton of sense to keep him as OC/Assistant HC and run the same effective offense as well as mentor the uber-green Allen especially for season #1. Reggie should have insisted or strongly suggested this course. Instead Reggie gives Allen cart blanch to completely blow up the staff, scheme and change direction, hire Greg ‘take a dirt’ Knapp, a proven loser, offense to fit his desire, not the team’s strength. Al Saunders is kept around only because his contract is guaranteed so is relegated to helping position coaches. To make matters worse, Bush and Satelle are allowed to walk with no offers (both starters for us playing well) in FA, 2 guys that could have easily been kept at reasonable prices. Instead he goes out and gets Brisel for a terrible contract like 5yr $20mil?!! – who expendable for Houston has been an absolute bust for us.
And all the crap that has happened since flows from these 3 critical mistakes. Plus for a team in such financial duress (how much is Reggie’s GM salary that they never had to pay before?), if they fire Knapp, still on the hook for his salary? Likely. Same goes for Tarver. And as for Allen, he ain’t going anywhere and even if they do fire the coordinators, don’t expect anybody worth their salt to want to come play under this guy. We’re screwed.
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You had me on the first paragraph, then lost me at #1. I don’t miss hue at all. He took too many chances and was basically full of crap. Even his prize Palmer complained hue didn’t spend enough time w him, and he didn’t have the forethought to even hire a QB coach
I agree Allen got way too long a contract. An I would have liked to see satele stay. But saying bush had no offers is just ridiculous. He got 7 million or so from Chicago, he was the most highly sought back on the market last year. Briesel and Bartell suck too, I’ll give you that too. But I’m willing to give it another year. It’s not like we have a choice, it’s gonna happen.
What really bothers me most about this coaching staff is that they r forcing schemes onto players instead of fitting schemes to players. Smart coaches work with what they have, not blow everything up and hope it works w no contingency plan other than to get rid of 80% of the players. Also, I think it’s ignorant of them to give jones 0 touches and ausberry 1 touch and TP 0 touches in the last 2 or 3 games. It’s irresponsible and short sighted. These guys seem stubborn, and not in a good way.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
IMO you would have a hard time giving Palmer away. I think you guys are delusional, Palmer has been a serious disappointment whether you guys realize it or not. He has cost us games you can make all the excuses you want about WR’s Oline and coaching he has thrown costly picks all year long.
I defended him all last year because I knew he would show up this year and play lights out football. What I have witnessed is mistake prone football and questionable judgement all year long but I’ve been slwo to come to this conclusion due to all the poor coaching but going back to the very first game this year he just couldn’t gte anything going. I blamed Knapp, but it’s week 13 man and he cannot win games……..period
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You must not have started drinking yet, your making a lot of sense tonight. First the Green Bay thing, now the realization that Palmer is a loser? It’s so true. I mean, do some of you guys actually think that other organizations r anywhere near as dumb as we have been for te last 25 years? You seriously think any team out there doesn’t see the same shlt we do w Palmer? You think it’s a secret or something? He’s not a winner. Never was. Never will be. Palmer is worthless on the market. Nobody but is will pay him his 13 million. THANKS HUE!!!
December 9th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
I truly wish we could fire Reggie ‘he slow’ McKenzie and start over – but Mark is so weak (you’ll always be Daddy’s little girl, Mark) that undoubtedly Reggie got an iron-clad contract for God knows how long for God knows how much $$. As bad as Al was towards the end – Mark is just a new level of weird. To spend your *whole life* around the NFL with your father one its most powerful figures, to know
*so little* about it and to publicly announce it over and over to the world that you’re clueless, its just baffling. Add that to the Flinstones hair cut and his child-like demeanor (on meds much, Mark?), I just cant’t believe Al would leave the team in his hands. The only hope we have is Mark simply sells his controlling interest in the team which might have to happen anyway with his tax situation and his blatant inability to be the head of an NFL franchise.
December 9th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
I would not have even dreamed of saying anything remotely like this early this year. I was absolutely sure Palmer was the difference no matter the situation I am such a fan of his since his freshman year at SC. But if the Raiders have any brains at all they move on from him. He is soo talented he will always keep you thinking if this if that.
This team is in a situation that is soo desparate they NEED Pryor to succeed it’s just that bad. This team needs something positive something to energize the team and the fans and it would be nice if we did’t have to pin our hopes on some drafted rookie who may or may not make it. I just feel this staff is sooo incompetent they wouldn’t know what they have if he showed them clearly that he can get it done. This team deserves some hope and it would be beyond great if Pryor could provide that hope.
I think about the players that have been here fighting and waiting for something and everytime they think they have something it turns up bad. Palmer has really let this org. down bigtime….and it stinks!
December 9th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
I think most football people would say that Palmer could have played better this season. Atl and TB were terrible INTs but what else can you point to that would say we can’t give him away to a team like the Jets?
Palmer is 10 times the QB Sanchesca is.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
RaiderReggie Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Listen, Peyton Manning is one of the best quarterbacks that we’ve seen in the league in a long time.
Evaluating other quarterbacks by his standards is a waste of time.
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No one is asking Carson Palmer to be Peyton Manning. However, he can be a poor man Peyton Manning by taking a leadership role with these young receivers. Most veteran quarterbacks talk with their receivers while the defense is one the field. Heck, I see young quarterbacks being more connected than Palmer
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THAT has been one big thing i have noticed about Palmer.
You see Manning and Brady stitting down with the olineman while the d is on the field and he’s constantly coaching…he’s like a player/coach actually.
Like the above poster noted, i’d like to see some of that out of Palmer, but if i’ts not in him it’s not in him.
I have always thought he doesn’t wanna make waves becuz of the Cincinnati thing; he doesn’t want to be seen as a egocentric jerk.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
0ak r8rs Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
IMO you would have a hard time giving Palmer away. I think you guys are delusional, Palmer has been a serious disappointment whether you guys realize it or not. He has cost us games you can make all the excuses you want about WR’s Oline and coaching he has thrown costly picks all year long.
I defended him all last year because I knew he would show up this year and play lights out football. What I have witnessed is mistake prone football and questionable judgement all year long but I’ve been slwo to come to this conclusion due to all the poor coaching but going back to the very first game this year he just couldn’t gte anything going. I blamed Knapp, but it’s week 13 man and he cannot win games……..period
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You must not have started drinking yet, your making a lot of sense tonight. First the Green Bay thing, now the realization that Palmer is a loser? It’s so true. I mean, do some of you guys actually think that other organizations r anywhere near as dumb as we have been for te last 25 years? You seriously think any team out there doesn’t see the same shlt we do w Palmer? You think it’s a secret or something? He’s not a winner. Never was. Never will be. Palmer is worthless on the market. Nobody but is will pay him his 13 million. THANKS HUE!!!
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First of all I don’t say things so you’ll agree. Maybe your head just cleared I don’t drink.
You people think if it’s not popular or you don’t agree it must be wrong……..get a clue.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Leaders are overrated imo, either you can play or you cant. You honestly think that all that crap that Ray Lewis talks actually makes players better? Maybe for the first 5 mins of the game, but when that addrenaline wears off and it settles down into a football game you either can play and make plays or you cant period, all that huffin an puffin is out the door.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Rodgers just got a longer TD run than any on the season for McFadden… smh
December 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
388,
And the team let HIM down too by dropping THIRTEEN would be touchdowns as numerous crucial 3rd down passes.
It works both ways; but I get it…the QB gets the praise when we win and most of the blame when we lose.
Nature of the beast.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Not making excuses for Hue, he def didn’t help himself in the press – but considering how low the bar had been set in the last 9 seasons – and that the team was playing well for Hue (at least offensively even with all the injuries) and we were in the hunt until the last week of the season 2 straight years. To just blatantly fire the guy without even a discussion – widely reported Reggie never talked with Hue other than to fire him – is ridiculous. If Hue was like in year 2 and they were coming off back a 4-12 season, I could understand it – but I mean the guy was under contract, and the team was playing well for him. Again, not saying Hue is the best coach in the world , but for Mark and Reggie to talk about doing things ‘the right way’ – that’s just a joke to handle it that way and then bring in total clowns. Don’t expect it to change anytime soon. Sigh…
December 9th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Roger Goodell = the death of NFL football as I knew it and loved it.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
How would you like to be Arizona right now? Start off hot with 4 victories then take a royal dump and lost 9 straight, culminating with that stinker against Seattle. wow.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Not that we’re any better. But we knew we stunk early on.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Rodgers just got a longer TD run than any on the season for McFadden… smh
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Did you watch the Pitt game????
December 9th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Leaders are overrated imo, either you can play or you cant. You honestly think that all that crap that Ray Lewis talks actually makes players better? Maybe for the first 5 mins of the game, but when that addrenaline wears off and it settles down into a football game you either can play and make plays or you cant period, all that huffin an puffin is out the door.
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I agree to an extent, but a good leader can keep guys mentally in the game or get them to give that extra bit of effort when the games on the line or when they are wore out and are ready to give in.
I know some people “poo-poo” that but i beleive it and have experienced it to some degree.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Does it get any better than Lambeau Field and GB playing in the snow?
That’s just football right there man.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
We need a QB that makes plays with his feet. Carson is a statue out there.
I mean he is playing with a horrible O-Line, dumbass WR’s, no running game, horrible defense and a HC and OC that are retarded.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Palmer is no Brady or Brees but he’s no bum either. When you force feed a system to a player in which he doesnt fit this is what you get. When Palmer was in Hues scheme last year by the end of the season you could see him running on all cylinders, and he looked great, def something to build around, just go back and look at the finale of the SD game last year and tell me what you see.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
better trade with ariz. larry fitz needs someone to get him the ball
December 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
How cool would it be to watch Newton vs Pryor??
Of course DA is retarded so we I will see Leinart first. Maybe that’s what we need, cuz we all know that dude is awful…..
December 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
J Hill Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
I think most football people would say that Palmer could have played better this season. Atl and TB were terrible INTs but what else can you point to that would say we can’t give him away to a team like the Jets?
Palmer is 10 times the QB Sanchesca is.
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There is no way in hell the jets r gonna take Palmer. First of all, Ryan loves Sanchez so as long as Ryan has a job, Sanchez does too, at least for one more year. Second, the Jets have enough confusion at QB now, they aren’t gonna add to it, even as dumb as their management is (rivaling ours). Third, and most important, is tha that Palmer is gonna cost 13 million next year to the raiders or any team that trades for him. And the jets r on the hook for like 6 million guaranteed for Sanchez next year. Do you really think the jets r gonna pay almost 20 MILLION next year for a QB that has pissed away at least 3 games this year w terrible picks? It’s not a secret Palmer is a loser. EVERYBODY knows it, even the bengals. It seems hue Jackson was the only one that didn’t, lucky us.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Jhill I think a lot of Palmer and yes I think he’s better than a lot of starting QB’s. However that is my opinion of him, GM’s and coaches may not share that viewpoint. Man we’re 3-10 and he has contributed to that. If I were another team and you offered Palmer I might give you a 5th rnd pick for him nothing more once I went over the film on him. He throws a pretty passs and has some leadership skills but he can be so puzzling when the time calls for him to be at his best. QB’s and coaches are judged by wins and loses and how they perform under pressure. He comes up very short on all counts.
He can have bad #’s but if he wins games and is nails under pressure you can get a ton for him. But those are his weak spots unfortunately
December 9th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Leaders are overrated imo, either you can play or you cant. You honestly think that all that crap that Ray Lewis talks actually makes players better? Maybe for the first 5 mins of the game, but when that addrenaline wears off and it settles down into a football game you either can play and make plays or you cant period, all that huffin an puffin is out the door.
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I agree to an extent, but a good leader can keep guys mentally in the game or get them to give that extra bit of effort when the games on the line or when they are wore out and are ready to give in.
I know some people “poo-poo” that but i beleive it and have experienced it to some degree.
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I hear you DJ, but these are professional athletes who get paid millions btw, so if someone has to tell you to dig down and give extra effort do you really want that guy on your team?
December 9th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
303Raider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
How cool would it be to watch Newton vs Pryor??
Of course DA is retarded so we I will see Leinart first. Maybe that’s what we need, cuz we all know that dude is awful…..
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Aaargh. Leinart at this point?
Are they trying to bore us to death?
I would hope they wouldn’t do that.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
388,
And the team let HIM down too by dropping THIRTEEN would be touchdowns as numerous crucial 3rd down passes.
It works both ways; but I get it…the QB gets the praise when we win and most of the blame when we lose.
Nature of the beast.
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That’s all true. But doesn’t change the fact that Palmer seems to find a way to lose every game. Lots of other factors like I’ve said all night. But Palmer is a loser.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
303Raider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Rodgers just got a longer TD run than any on the season for McFadden… smh
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Did you watch the Pitt game????
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Oh yeah… we BEAT the Steelers didn’t we… so long ago I forgot. lol My bad.
So McFadden has 1 TD run longer than Rodgers…
December 9th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
303Raider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
How cool would it be to watch Newton vs Pryor??
Of course DA is retarded so we I will see Leinart first. Maybe that’s what we need, cuz we all know that dude is awful…..
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I would love to see Pryor start that game so everyone can see in comparison just how close it is. But as you stated they are soo freakin dumb there is little chance of that ever happening. When if they were smart that is exactly what they would do.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Palmer is not a loser he is a victim of circumstance. He was drafted #1 by a crappy org, then traded to another, what do you guys expect from him? drop Brady or Manning or Johnny Unitas into his situation and it would be largely the same ending.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
408, Good point East.
I did watch that video someone posted last night of the 2002 Raiders and they just seemed to have so much energy and comaraderie..and of course they won games.
It was fun to watch back then.
Maybe it’s the winning that leads to the camaraderie, energy and excitment and not vice versa.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
we are gonna learn if Reggie is full of it, he said he wanted a look at pryor, so we’ll see.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Palmer is not a loser he is a victim of circumstance. He was drafted #1 by a crappy org, then traded to another, what do you guys expect from him? drop Brady or Manning or Johnny Unitas into his situation and it would be largely the same ending.
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Palmer is a loser.
Gannon never did anything till he became a raider and w Gruden they figured out a way to win. Drafted by a bad team, went to a worse one. Then us.
Plunkett got the shlt beat out of him for years, came to us and figured out a way to win TWO super owls.
Palmer came to us and has continued to lose and throw terrible picks at bad times to lose games. Now, I’ll say it again, THE PROBLEMS W THE RAIDERS GO WAY DEEPER THAN PALMER. But Palmer is still a loser just like every other USC quarterback to have ever played in the NFL. He has never and never will win. I supported Palmer as much as anyone. I still think he’s a stand up guy. He’s a man not a child, for sure. But he’s a loser. He finds ways to lose, not ways to win. The last disgusting pick against Denver that killed any momentum we had sealed it for me. Atlanta. Cleveland. Tampa. Denver. And probably more. Yea. Dropped passes and bad routes and embarrassing defense. Like I said. NOT ALL HOS FAULT. but he’s a loser. Show me a championship game appearance (not even a Super Bowl championship) and ill change my mind. Until then, he’s schlep rock. He’s Linus. He’s a loser.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
If (when) we lose out I believe we will have the #1 or #2 pick depending on what Jags do – somebody will want Geno/T’eo/whoever and we can trade down for multiple picks – at least a 1 and 2 2nds. In addition, trade Palmer to the Jets and DMAC to the Giants each for a 2nd rounder, trade Kelly to Dallas for a 4/5th, trade Moore for a 3rd, release DHB. With some additional movement, we can pick up like 12 draft picks – 7 defense picks, 4 offense – OL and RB’s. Let Pryor compete to start next year with a vet backing him up (not Leinart) and lets see what Pryor has giving him and entire year and focusing on improving the team defense and the rushing offense and then go from there into 2014. We will prob have another top 5 pick in 2014 so if Reggie can have a strong draft with 8-9 quality players and hopefully bring in a new coaching staff by then – best case scenario, by 2014 season might be watchable with the the defense mostly rebuilt, Pryor comfortable with a solid running game and short passing offense and the total waste players with huge contracts mostly purged.
That makes sense.. Now, here’s what’s probably *really* going to happen. The whole staff coaching staff is retained, Palmer stays restructures again gets $10 million next year (restructed, so even more $$ long term), DMAC returns, Kelly stays and is the starting NT in a 3-4, Houston traded for a 4th, Pryor is released, we take Te’o at #2 gets big contract and then we quickly figure out he makes SoLando look spry. Palmer stinks, DMC is hurt in preseason, and we go 2-14 suffering 11 blowout loses – after another terrible season, Allen says ‘we’ve have alot of injuries, its going to take some time, Reggie and I both knew this when we were handed this thing’…
I really hope I’m wrong..
December 9th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
I do agree that there is not much difference between a defense like GBs and ours. But there is a difference. They give up points but they make a few more plays. We are missing the timely INTs, sacks, and fumbles. Every D gets scored on.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
You’d think DA would want to start Pryor to:
1- Get a look at him like they said they wanted to.
2- Have a good “excuse” for losing out.
I think DA will be here anyway, regardless if we lose out or not but u never know what Mark’s threshold is of tolerance with these final games.
DA should go to Mark and Reggie and say “Hey..i’ll start Pryor but you’re gonna blame me for losing out if I do this?
December 9th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Palmer is not a loser he is a victim of circumstance. He was drafted #1 by a crappy org, then traded to another, what do you guys expect from him? drop Brady or Manning or Johnny Unitas into his situation and it would be largely the same ending.
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Palmer is a loser.
Gannon never did anything till he became a raider and w Gruden they figured out a way to win. Drafted by a bad team, went to a worse one. Then us.
Plunkett got the shlt beat out of him for years, came to us and figured out a way to win TWO super owls.
Palmer came to us and has continued to lose and throw terrible picks at bad times to lose games. Now, I’ll say it again, THE PROBLEMS W THE RAIDERS GO WAY DEEPER THAN PALMER. But Palmer is still a loser just like every other USC quarterback to have ever played in the NFL. He has never and never will win. I supported Palmer as much as anyone. I still think he’s a stand up guy. He’s a man not a child, for sure. But he’s a loser. He finds ways to lose, not ways to win. The last disgusting pick against Denver that killed any momentum we had sealed it for me. Atlanta. Cleveland. Tampa. Denver. And probably more. Yea. Dropped passes and bad routes and embarrassing defense. Like I said. NOT ALL HOS FAULT. but he’s a loser. Show me a championship game appearance (not even a Super Bowl championship) and ill change my mind. Until then, he’s schlep rock. He’s Linus. He’s a loser.
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Cant compare Gannon and Plunks situation, they came to decent teams who built around their strengths. Palmer WAS in a good situation when Hue was here because Hue knew how to use Palmer and was gonna build around him. Victim of circumstance.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
You’d think DA would want to start Pryor to:
1- Get a look at him like they said they wanted to.
2- Have a good “excuse” for losing out.
I think DA will be here anyway, regardless if we lose out or not but u never know what Mark’s threshold is of tolerance with these final games.
DA should go to Mark and Reggie and say “Hey..i’ll start Pryor but you’re gonna blame me for losing out if I do this?
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Seems most REAL coaches planning on being the coach next year play there up in coming young QB’s.
Look at Andy Reid in the “hot seat” playing Foles.
DA playing DA says i plan on being here next year.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
*DA playing TP says i plan on being here next year.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Had to post this zhit too funny From “Walter Football”:
“Tommy Kelly is a bum who doesn’t care about winning, as evidenced when he laughed after prolonging a San Diego drive with a pair of offside penalties. He’s played so sluggishly this year and was especially bad versus Tampa, so there’s no chance he’s going to see a penny of his $6.5 million salary in 2013. He’s as good as gone, and 15-year-old head coach Dennis Allen lost all respect in the locker room for not cutting him after the opener.”
LOL–captures the Raiders problems to a Tee
December 9th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Hes getting blown out even with palmer at qb so if he loses while playing palmer how can he justify using pryor as an excuse? Hes 0-6 these past several games pryor or no pryor DA is a loser weve seen that much from him now we want to see pryor. If da were to blame his job loss on pryor after the fact hed just be scapegoating because its the blow out losses and regression of the team that would be at fault for his firing, not playing pryor in two meaningless games…
December 9th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Per Walter Football pretty funny comment see above
“Oakland Raiders: Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah
Is there any doubt the Raiders need help at defensive tackle in the wake of Doug Martin’s near-record performance?”
December 9th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
418.J Hill Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
I do agree that there is not much difference between a defense like GBs and ours. But there is a difference. They give up points but they make a few more plays. We are missing the timely INTs, sacks, and fumbles. Every D gets scored on.
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Exactly my point tho….everyone speaks as if there is a vast difference and there isn’t. They make a play here and a play there based the fact they can play with energy. They know if they keep fighting the QB will be the difference in a win and a loss. Our D plays hard and at the end they know they wont have anything to show for it. You go thru a few game slike that and your entire attitude about competing changes no matter how professional you wont to be.
Players are human they know when they have a winner at QB and someone they cannot trust.
December 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Or maybe they are playing Palmer to boost his trade value?
December 9th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
J Hill Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Or maybe they are playing Palmer to boost his trade value?
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Everybody already knows about Palmer. No need for that
December 9th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
If Gruden is not our guy next year, then DA has to fire Knapp.
Then he will have his pick of the litter with fired head coaches with offensive backgrounds:
Ken Whisenhunt
Andy Reid
Norv Turner
Chan Gailey
Jason Garret
Mike Mularkey
And add these two guys as well:
Brad Childress
Bobby Petrino
Coming to Oakland would be very attractive because we have some pieces to work with on offense and DA would allow them total control of the offense.
We are going to be fine next year but it better be at least 9 wins for everyone to keep their job. Plus if we still stink by the bye week then DA gets canned and the OC can be interim coach.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Priest, you’re wrong on this one. Its not so much Palmer as much as it is Knapp. I’m telling you. As you stated, you were not sure and that it was Knapp earlier. And you were right earlier. Sometimes these things are hard to seperate because they’re all related. But trust me man. Its Knapp 70% or so.
I can go down the list with the faults but I’ll save my time. Just trust ..its Knapp man, its Knapp all the way. He’s even making the defense look bad/worse lol.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
The Pryor Lobby is starting to get me…
I think Palmer should be the Starter 2013, but this season has been horrible to watch. No entertainment value whatsoever. As a Fan this has been tough to watch.
(Hand off to DMAC watch him hit defenders two yards behind line of scrimmage; repeat
Perfect passes to Wide receivers on third-down or redzone dropped; repeat)
Shoot Maybe Pryor can break off some good runs make Raiders watchable.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
If Gruden is not our guy next year, then DA has to fire Knapp.
Then he will have his pick of the litter with fired head coaches with offensive backgrounds:
Ken Whisenhunt
Andy Reid
Norv Turner
Chan Gailey
Jason Garret
Mike Mularkey
And add these two guys as well:
Brad Childress
Bobby Petrino
Coming to Oakland would be very attractive because we have some pieces to work with on offense and DA would allow them total control of the offense.
We are going to be fine next year but it better be at least 9 wins for everyone to keep their job. Plus if we still stink by the bye week then DA gets canned and the OC can be interim coach.
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DA firing Knapp is not a option. It MUST be done or DA should definitely be shown the door.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
You guys have seen almost every player we have regress under these coaches and you’re blaming the players??? hahaha. The evidence is starring at you. Its the coaches man, the coaches.
Sure we can use better players here and there, but they are not THAT bad hahaha. These coaches are THAT bad!
December 9th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Having Pryor at QB would at the very least have the opposing LBs back up a few steps before the snap.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
You guys have seen almost every player we have regress under these coaches and you’re blaming the players??? hahaha. The evidence is starring at you. Its the coaches man, the coaches.
Sure we can use better players here and there, but they are not THAT bad hahaha. These coaches are THAT bad!
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True
December 9th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Knapp is like the source all everything bad with this team. He killed the offense. He makes the defense looks worse than it would otherwise (not so say that it would be good, just not as bad). That has to be the worse hire ever.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I’m sensing some wishy washy-ness as far as our roster as far as some of the posts here.
Do we need to jettison half the roster or is it coaching more or less and a key player here and there?
I say we go the Rams route, where they got rid of 24 players( who are no longer in the league), and acquired some key free agents and had a good draft.
2-14 to 5-6-1 and in the playoff hunt.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Priest I cant understand what you expect from Palmer, did you see him in Hues scheme towards the end of the season? the difference is night and day. You said yourself the team is demoralized, think how Carson must feel having to play for knapp, run for his life every game, have no run game to ease the pressure. How would you feel?
December 9th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I’m sensing some wishy washy-ness as far as our roster as far as some of the posts here.
Do we need to jettison half the roster or is it coaching more or less and a key player here and there?
I say we go the Rams route, where they got rid of 24 players( who are no longer in the league), and acquired some key free agents and had a good draft.
2-14 to 5-6-1 and in the playoff hunt.
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Uh, you forgot they have a proven coach.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Kinda comical really. We were just giving Palmer credit for getting the offense going some weeks ago by going off-script and calling his own plays at the line. Now think about that …thats telling you something is seriously wrong …and its not really Palmer (although he’s made some really bad mistakes).
You can’t have it both ways.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Cant compare Gannon and Plunks situation, they came to decent teams who built around their strengths. Palmer WAS in a good situation when Hue was here because Hue knew how to use Palmer and was gonna build around him. Victim of circumstance.
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Gannon and Gruden started it making it happen the second year. We’ll see, cause I don’t think either one of them r going anywhere for another year anyway. For now, Palmer is still a loser IMO
December 9th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Our receivers suck? Yea right my ass! Da just doesnt know what the hell hes doing, Hue jack had them boys playing….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8kbgEQ1Vls&feature=youtube_gdata_player
December 9th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
kickback and relax -we’ll have Reggie & DA for 3-4 years. We’ll look like Green Bay and not like Detroit who has outplayed greenbay and they are tied. GB doesnt shoot itself in the foot like we do and detroit has done tonight. BTW we wont waste top $$$ on our kickers -theyre dime a dozen
December 9th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Trade Palmer, DMAC, Branch, Pryor and our #1, for Stafford, Avril, 2nd and 5th rd pick.
Must be the green smoke, so I get a pass. Lol
December 9th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Our receivers suck? Yea right my ass! Da just doesnt know what the hell hes doing, Hue jack had them boys playing….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8kbgEQ1Vls&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Good video. Damn did you see JC throwing the deep ball? What? JC could play under Hue. Damn if JC and DMAC did not go down things would be so much different now. Like Hue still being the coach with the Raiders making a playoff run this year.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Priest I cant understand what you expect from Palmer, did you see him in Hues scheme towards the end of the season? the difference is night and day. You said yourself the team is demoralized, think how Carson must feel having to play for knapp, run for his life every game, have no run game to ease the pressure. How would you feel?
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TerrapinRaider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Priest, you’re wrong on this one. Its not so much Palmer as much as it is Knapp. I’m telling you. As you stated, you were not sure and that it was Knapp earlier. And you were right earlier. Sometimes these things are hard to seperate because they’re all related. But trust me man. Its Knapp 70% or so.
I can go down the list with the faults but I’ll save my time. Just trust ..its Knapp man, its Knapp all the way. He’s even making the defense look bad/worse lol.
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Man why do you think I waited soo long to come to this conclusion. I waited because I felt he couldn’t be this bad in clutch situations. He frustrated the hell out of me. That pick against Denver when all we needed was to finish the drive just hit me wrong man.
I’m a Palmer fan as I said, but he’s making mistakes that are uncharacteristic of a leader and it is affecting this tea in the worst way. I feel I’ve given him every benefit of the doubt. He’s noty making throws when he has to regardless of what Knapp is doing he has to be nails in the clutch situations and he hasn’t been. There is no excuse unless HE HIMSELF is frustrated to the point of trying to do too much and playing out of character. Still at some point make the right play…………period
December 9th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I’m sensing some wishy washy-ness as far as our roster as far as some of the posts here.
Do we need to jettison half the roster or is it coaching more or less and a key player here and there?
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Just got it all in a nutshell. It’s both. And. This team is such a mess nobody can possibly say its just one or the other. In fact it’s management too. So it’s a failure on all 3 fronts. The players have definitely regressed, and IMO that points mostly to coaching. But there is also the possibility they just weren’t that good I begin with. And we essentially have jettisoned half the team, and it hasn’t helped. So idk. It scared the crap out it me to hang on to DA, cause what if he is really as bad as he looks? On the other hand, aren’t we all tired of the coaching carousel? Consistency in management and coaching was one of he the things I looked forward to most when Al finally died. Winning teams have stable managent and coaching. Period. But stability doesn’t mean anything of your retarded, and you can point to move after move this year on both coaching and managements part that doesn’t make them look like anything but retarded.
I will say this about the players. There isn’t a single level of offense or defense I can say is strong and ready to build around. Not one level is complete. Defensive line, linebackers, secondary, offensive line, receivers, backfield. None of it. In fact, we may have the worst back 7 in the NFL. question was posed last week on the NFL network, and not by a fan, but by a pro.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
IMO Palmer is not to much of a problem , not when you have no running game to take the heat off of the qb, defenses can cheat pin their ears back and T off on the qb.
We need a running back with quick feet and lateral movement for starters on offense.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
However I would not try to trade Palmer nor DMC in a situation that we’re in. We wont get value for them it would be a fire sale you NEVER do that IMO. I would definitely bring him back at reduced contracts and let him and Pryor fight it out but in no way would Palmer be an incumbent. They would fight it out in training camp all 3 QB’s and may the best man win. If I couldn’t get Palmer to re-neg I would them take drastic measures. He’s just not worth 11-13 mill no way….because I really believe we could win as amany games with Pryor as a starter as we’ve won with Palmer………period
December 9th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
wow -we almost tied denver last year who won the division without a QB –
sorry Denver has a QB and the reality lies in the record of SD, KC and us= we sucked all along
GET REAL!
December 9th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Reggie is smarter than all of us combined on this blog. I trust that he will make the right decision on Palmer after the season.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Dmac a bum??? Yea right my azz DA came in and fkd our O up and yall must have forgot… Let this be a reminder. And to all the ppl who says hes soft look at plays 3:13 4:32 and 4:58… Thats how dmac use to run until “DA” came and told him to run out of bounds so he doesnt get hurt. 4:32 yes thats hAloti nata hes smashin… Da has players he just doesnt have an imagination.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9v-RmeOPTo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
December 9th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
wow -we almost tied denver last year who won the division without a QB –
sorry Denver has a QB and the reality lies in the record of SD, KC and us= we sucked all along
GET REAL!
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Real QB? Tell that to the Steelers last year.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
yeh where is tebow starting?
December 9th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
I agree with Oak R8rs, this entire team needs an overhall due to decades of neglect from AD.
That being said, I never would have thought we’d be this bad. The team isn’t well prepared and dosent play hard nor with pride.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
DA really is as bad as he looks……….bank on it.
Coaches show is they can do it or not pretty quick. Especially these days due to FA, in the old days everything was done thru the draft these days you cna turn a team completely over in 2 years so. Getting impact players is MUCH EASIER now. That’s why a coach can come in and win right away. Look at how quickly teams get better I mean it’s overnight.
For a coahc to take a decent team and get wretched instead of better is ALARMING!!……period
December 9th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
DMAC has always been injury prone, regardless if we are man blocking, zone blocking, man zone, stretch flex man zone counter…doesn’t matter. He is not reliable!
December 9th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Reggie is smarter than all of us combined on this blog. I trust that he will make the right decision on Palmer after the season.
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Ru sure? I’m not saying I disagree, but how do you know he’s so smart? He signed a rookie HC to a 4 year, 16 million dollar contract. And he hired his brother as head of scouting (I think, and he sits behind him like a big fat mirror in the box during our debacles). I’m not even gonna get into personnel this year, cause every GM has hits and misses, and although he seems to have had more misses, I’m willing to give him a pass this year. But overall neither him nor DA look all that bright or charismatic or to really have any kind of a plan.
So, ru sure he’s really smart? No doubt he’s a better football guy than any of us. But is he better than most of the GMs on the other 31 teams. Cause they all wanna win. They all wanna get better. But they all can’t. So I’ll give you that he’s smarter than any of us, but any proof he’s smarter than the other 31? Or even most of them?
December 9th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
After I had made an exhaustive comparison between the Rams situation and the Raiders some were so quick to jump and offer every excuse in the world how we can’t possibly turn it around like the spectacular and dynamic Rams org.
“Yeah..but they have Bradford to build around and we have Palmer there’s no comparison”.
Bradford is in his third year. His rookie yr. he had 18 td’s and 15 int’s with a 76.5 rating.
His second year (last yr.) he had 6 td’s 6 int’s. and a 70.5 rating in his 10 games.
This yr. he has 14 td’s and 9 int’s and an 83.8 rating..ALL WORSE THAN PALMER. And this is Bradford’s best yr. by far.
Reggie was highly regarded coming into this. No more excuses.
If the St. Louis Rams can go from 2-14 to where they are now than the highly regarded Reggie can as well.
I’m sick of excuses. Get it done. No more covering for the guy going forward.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Post 445 @ raider o, thats the thing man everybody could play under hue, they all looked good… Palmer, dmac, moore, heyward bey, ford, campbell, reece, they all looked like players under hue now DA comes and nobody has talen and we dhould trade them all??? Smh these people kill me, look at the common denominator knapp and da must go, theyre a handicap … Period! Any time opposing coaches and players have to plead for your job you know you deserve the axe or else they wouldnt make such statements.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
I tried looking for that contract or info that DA signed that 4yr 16 mil dollar contract…any links?
Tomlin gets paid 4.8 a yr.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Aw man I had to stop watching the DMAC video at the 5 min mark because it was pissing me off.
I feel like flying out to Oakland right now, find Knapp, and beat the (knapp) out of him with a torque wrench.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
459 great post johnny
December 9th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Our receivers suck? Yea right my ass! Da just doesnt know what the hell hes doing, Hue jack had them boys playing….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8kbgEQ1Vls&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Man watching this and hearing that music gave me chills. We dont have good Wrs? Child Please.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I’m sensing some wishy washy-ness as far as our roster as far as some of the posts here.
Do we need to jettison half the roster or is it coaching more or less and a key player here and there?
I say we go the Rams route, where they got rid of 24 players( who are no longer in the league), and acquired some key free agents and had a good draft.
2-14 to 5-6-1 and in the playoff hunt.
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Uh, you forgot they have a proven coach.
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Yes. A proven coach is something we SHOULD have and if DA has to go through a few yr’s to become one…why DA in the first place?
December 9th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
0ak r8rs Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Reggie is smarter than all of us combined on this blog. I trust that he will make the right decision on Palmer after the season.
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Ru sure? I’m not saying I disagree, but how do you know he’s so smart? He signed a rookie HC to a 4 year, 16 million dollar contract. And he hired his brother as head of scouting (I think, and he sits behind him like a big fat mirror in the box during our debacles). I’m not even gonna get into personnel this year, cause every GM has hits and misses, and although he seems to have had more misses, I’m willing to give him a pass this year. But overall neither him nor DA look all that bright or charismatic or to really have any kind of a plan.
So, ru sure he’s really smart? No doubt he’s a better football guy than any of us. But is he better than most of the GMs on the other 31 teams. Cause they all wanna win. They all wanna get better. But they all can’t. So I’ll give you that he’s smarter than any of us, but any proof he’s smarter than the other 31? Or even most of them?
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smarter than the 200 gm’s on this blog not the 31 other gm’s in NFL. There isn’t a single NFL guy that would endorse anyone of us on this blog.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
I agree Hue jack could run an offense, our offense last year had swagger and you could feel teams were nervous when our offense took the field.
Only problem was Hue liked the spot light to much and made an ill advised power grab when AD died.
RIP HUE.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Dj Johnny is always on point.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Palmer ain’t the problem at all. Him and McFadden are straddled with a staff that does not know how to utilize the player personnel. It is that simple. We had the talent to do better than this. Coaches don’t inspire performance. Shoulda kept Hue. That will always be a footnote in Raider history.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
RaidO Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Our receivers suck? Yea right my ass! Da just doesnt know what the hell hes doing, Hue jack had them boys playing….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8kbgEQ1Vls&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Good video. Damn did you see JC throwing the deep ball? What? JC could play under Hue. Damn if JC and DMAC did not go down things would be so much different now. Like Hue still being the coach with the Raiders making a playoff run this year.
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That video doesn’t show how we beat the Vikings w a rookie QB and no Adrian Peterson by 6 points. Or the bears w Caleb Hanie by 5? Or the “lets do it for Al” game in Houston? Or setting new records for penalties, most of them mental and stupid?
We easily could have been 4 and 12 last year. I thought we established that last year? And yea, maybe of McFadden was healthy we could have won 9 or 10 games. So maybe it could have gone either way. But I truly believe we had a better chance of having a worse record last year than a better one.
That being said, I’m not supporting DA at all. The player do seem to be regressing, and yes it’s ridiculous to think ALL of our players all of a sudden suck. Like I’ve said before, it’s the failure of all 3. Management, coaching and talent.
But PLEASE let the hue thing go. If any other organization thought anything about hue don’t you think he’d be more than an assistant offensive line coach on a team that felt they owed him for stealing a first and second round pick for them? Really?
December 9th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Face it, we ain’t gonna be relevant anytime soon,
Trade Palmer for a 2nd (Jets or Cards would do it)
Trade Mcfadden for a 3rd (Packers Bengals or Pats might)
Trade Jacoby Ford for a 4th (several teams would be interested)
We’ll be selecting 2nd overall so trade back with Rams for their 2 first rounders and their 3rd.
At the end we have 2 first rounders (about 16 and 18) one 2nd. three 3rd’s and two 4th’s
1a— Ezekiel Ansah DE
1b— Chance Wormack OG
2a— Xavier Rhodes CB
3a— Kyle Long OT
3b— Jackson Jeffcoat DE
3c— Phillip Thomas S
4a— Tyrann Mathieu CB
4b— Joanthan Bostic MLB
5a— Omar Hunter DT
6a— Marcus Lattimore RB
Let Pryor go 2-14 in 13 and then select Johnny Manziel in 14
December 9th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
The official “Who Hates Goodell” Poll
yes – Marks Hair
yes – raider riff
yes – RaiderLen
yes – MistaBrown
yes – dr Hunter S Thompson
yes – Just Win Baby
yes – Englandraider
7-0
December 9th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
I’ll pass along a quote that I think applies (strangely enough) to the situation for the Raiders moving forward.
Seeing as 90% of the blog are liberal democrats perhaps you’ll all appreciate it.
““There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?”
Robert F. Kennedy.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
We have good wr’s? Shouldn’t matter what offensive scheme you’re in, if the ball hits your hands, catch it.
Not saying our wr’s suck but they aren’t all that.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
I find it hilarious when some of the semi’s here finally acknowlege that our WRs have dropped over 15 TD’s since last season and caused numerous INTs off their hands…….
……and then in the same sentence say “but still, Palmer is a loser”.
Stubborness at its finest.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
All ima say is this, I know as fans many are frustrated with dmac because of health issues but he hasnt had any major injuries like an acl or mcl tear or anything just a few ankle or foot sprains things that a player could easily bounce back from and not lose anything. I wouldnt trade him next season because hes in his contract year next year so you know he will be motivated to play his heart out for that last big pay day, I think next year he has the best year of his career and we see him finally beat the injury bug because he has money on the line and plus hes only 25yrs old. I think if we bring in the right coach or OC next year hell pay dividends and finally reach his potential. The warriors didnt give up on curry and its paid off for them thus far and I think the same will go for Dmac…
December 9th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
We have good wr’s? Shouldn’t matter what offensive scheme you’re in, if the ball hits your hands, catch it.
Not saying our wr’s suck but they aren’t all that.
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Bingo.
All the people that are blaming the scheme for the fact that our WRs suck:
a) dont know football
b) conveniently forget all the mistakes last year
December 9th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
0ak r8rs Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Reggie is smarter than all of us combined on this blog. I trust that he will make the right decision on Palmer after the season.
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Ru sure? I’m not saying I disagree, but how do you know he’s so smart? He signed a rookie HC to a 4 year, 16 million dollar contract. And he hired his brother as head of scouting (I think, and he sits behind him like a big fat mirror in the box during our debacles). I’m not even gonna get into personnel this year, cause every GM has hits and misses, and although he seems to have had more misses, I’m willing to give him a pass this year. But overall neither him nor DA look all that bright or charismatic or to really have any kind of a plan.
So, ru sure he’s really smart? No doubt he’s a better football guy than any of us. But is he better than most of the GMs on the other 31 teams. Cause they all wanna win. They all wanna get better. But they all can’t. So I’ll give you that he’s smarter than any of us, but any proof he’s smarter than the other 31? Or even most of them?
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smarter than the 200 gm’s on this blog not the 31 other gm’s in NFL. There isn’t a single NFL guy that would endorse anyone of us on this blog.
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Well duh? So this is just a bash on the people on this blog? Obviously nobody hear would be endorsed by anyone in the NFL. doesn’t mean we can’t criticize and vent and offer options on a blog? It’s not like Reggie or DA read it or care what we have to say. It would be stupid to think so.
Anyway, like I said, I only care if he’s smarter than the other 31. Or at least 25 or 26 of them. Cause if he isn’t then what’s the point? Hope he shows it next year, cause real NFL management an coaching don’t take 5 years to turn teams around anymore. Teams do it all the time now in a year or two. So we will see I guess.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
464….back when we were good…gave me chills…but daymm we go the three stooges now.
December 9th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Should have started a poll at the begining of the season asking;
Is there a possibility the 2012 Oakland Raiders will end with a top 5 pick in the draft?
I’m sure the no’s would have outweighed the yes…being that we have so many professional scouts and GM’s on this blog. Lol
December 9th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
All receivers drop passes its part of the game. Name me 1 reciever in the league who hast dropped a pass? Thing is this whole team is out of sink, theres no chemistry, morale is low and everyones pointing fingers… When your team has issues like that drops and all those other mental mistakes are bound to happen….
December 9th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I will say that DA’s hands are sorta tied right now, he cant cut/waive to many players that screw up right now because we simply dont have many players.
Here are my list of priorites for this team in the draft.
1. PASS RUSHERS/DEFENSIVE LINE (ie. like the Giants)
2. SECONDARY
3. RUNNING BACK
4. OFFENSIVE LINE
December 9th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
The official “Who Hates Goodell” Poll
yes – Marks Hair
yes – raider riff
yes – RaiderLen
yes – MistaBrown
yes – dr Hunter S Thompson
yes – Just Win Baby
yes – Englandraider
7-0
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Add me to the list please.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
What once was a proud franchise is now the Reggie McKenzie clown show.
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What was once a proud franchise is now the Mark Davis clown show.
He’s the man that gave the green light to hire Reggie McKenzie. Blame falls on Davis for this disaster.
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NAME ONE GM THAT WOULDVE TAKEN THE JOB. I dare you. Name one friggin GM who would’ve taken on this job, given no draft picks and overpriced , overrated and underperforming vets.
ill wait.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
The corners Palmer throws to are have more reliable hands than our own wr’s.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
I find it hilarious when some of the semi’s here finally acknowlege that our WRs have dropped over 15 TD’s since last season and caused numerous INTs off their hands…….
……and then in the same sentence say “but still, Palmer is a loser”.
Stubborness at its finest.
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Your still missing the point. Palmer is a loser. Our receivers drop balls. Our receivers run bad routes. Our coaches call bad plays and don’t put players in positions to succeed. Management brings in mediocre to poor talent. An Palmer throws BAD picks and gives up non pocket awareness strip sacks. They ALL suck. But Palmer finds a way to lose time and time again. Tampa. Cleveland. Denver. Atlanta. The list goes on and on. None of those games were his fault entirely, but he had a piece. And the more I see him the more it becomes apparent that he finds a way to lose. That is the DEFINITION of a loser.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
I hate Gaydell. He ruining this game by trying to rewrite the rules.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
any gd except this clown…mark can still fix it…
December 9th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
ron69 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Face it, we ain’t gonna be relevant anytime soon,
Trade Palmer for a 2nd (Jets or Cards would do it)
Trade Mcfadden for a 3rd (Packers Bengals or Pats might)
Trade Jacoby Ford for a 4th (several teams would be interested)
We’ll be selecting 2nd overall so trade back with Rams for their 2 first rounders and their 3rd.
At the end we have 2 first rounders (about 16 and 18) one 2nd. three 3rd’s and two 4th’s
1a— Ezekiel Ansah DE
1b— Chance Wormack OG
2a— Xavier Rhodes CB
3a— Kyle Long OT
3b— Jackson Jeffcoat DE
3c— Phillip Thomas S
4a— Tyrann Mathieu CB
4b— Joanthan Bostic MLB
5a— Omar Hunter DT
6a— Marcus Lattimore RB
Let Pryor go 2-14 in 13 and then select Johnny Manziel in 14
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If by “relevant” you mean deep playoff run or SB i agree but there is no reason why we can’t at least have a “turnaround” similar to the Rams this yr.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Ron69 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Face it, we ain’t gonna be relevant anytime soon,
Trade Palmer for a 2nd (Jets or Cards would do it)
Trade Mcfadden for a 3rd (Packers Bengals or Pats might)
Trade Jacoby Ford for a 4th (several teams would be interested)
We’ll be selecting 2nd overall so trade back with Rams for their 2 first rounders and their 3rd.
At the end we have 2 first rounders (about 16 and 18) one 2nd. three 3rd’s and two 4th’s
1a— Ezekiel Ansah DE
1b— Chance Wormack OG
2a— Xavier Rhodes CB
3a— Kyle Long OT
3b— Jackson Jeffcoat DE
3c— Phillip Thomas S
4a— Tyrann Mathieu CB
4b— Joanthan Bostic MLB
5a— Omar Hunter DT
6a— Marcus Lattimore RB
Let Pryor go 2-14 in 13 and then select Johnny Manziel in 14
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Marcus Lattimore will never play football again.
other than pick, pretty good. Throw in a DT (Seymour leaving) maybe Richardson from Missouri – and thats a good deal.
one poster earlier said trade McFadden and Palmer and a 5th to Arizona for Larry Fitzgerald. That move alone could help Pryor as he just would alley oop deep passes.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
matt millen could do jyst as hood a job as Reggie is doing now…
December 9th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
we know he was a better lb than reggie…
December 9th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
I could care less if Mark Davis looks like a pregnant monk, I just want my Raiders to win again and be happy.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
To have a “trunaround” similar to the Rams this yr. it will take some very wise draft moves, dumping of unproductive players, and very sound free agent moves during the offseason; but isn’t that why we have Reggie in the first place?
December 9th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
“Having a mobile QB covers up a lot of other problems on your team.”
Sure if he can throw the ball get Pryor in on some gimmick plays and move him to WR
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Well, mostly my point was that the difference between Dallas and Oakland is a QB that can get outside the pocket and make things happen.
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Yeah, that’s the major difference. It’s not guys that have been to the Pro Bowl like Austin and Witten or young studs like Dez Bryant out there doing the catching. Clearly, they’re no better than the Raiders options. And Dallas’ D is easily as bad as Oakland’s, putting them down multiple scores early in games week in and week out.
Nope, the only thing is the QB mobility that makes Dallas that much better …
December 9th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
The 1st cut I hope DA has the balls to make is Seymour, the guy rarely practices is always hurt.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
That video doesn’t show how we beat the Vikings w a rookie QB and no Adrian Peterson by 6 points. Or the bears w Caleb Hanie by 5? Or the “lets do it for Al” game in Houston? Or setting new records for penalties, most of them mental and stupid?
We easily could have been 4 and 12 last year. I thought we established that last year? And yea, maybe of McFadden was healthy we could have won 9 or 10 games. So maybe it could have gone either way. But I truly believe we had a better chance of having a worse record last year than a better one.
That being said, I’m not supporting DA at all. The player do seem to be regressing, and yes it’s ridiculous to think ALL of our players all of a sudden suck. Like I’ve said before, it’s the failure of all 3. Management, coaching and talent.
But PLEASE let the hue thing go. If any other organization thought anything about hue don’t you think he’d be more than an assistant offensive line coach on a team that felt they owed him for stealing a first and second round pick for them? Really?
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You saw the glass as half empty I saw it as half full, period. imo we easily cudda been 12-4, beat den,det,buff, and sd, 12-4 easy. and as far as Hue and coaching, politics.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
I dont blame palmer, I dont blame dmac, I dont blame the recievers or anybody else because its simple as this… DA does not have these guys ready to play on sundays… He has them ready for about 1 half and thats it.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
I find it hilarious when some of the semi’s here finally acknowlege that our WRs have dropped over 15 TD’s since last season and caused numerous INTs off their hands…….
……and then in the same sentence say “but still, Palmer is a loser”.
Stubborness at its finest.
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Your still missing the point. Palmer is a loser. Our receivers drop balls. Our receivers run bad routes. Our coaches call bad plays and don’t put players in positions to succeed. Management brings in mediocre to poor talent. An Palmer throws BAD picks and gives up non pocket awareness strip sacks. They ALL suck. But Palmer finds a way to lose time and time again. Tampa. Cleveland. Denver. Atlanta. The list goes on and on. None of those games were his fault entirely, but he had a piece. And the more I see him the more it becomes apparent that he finds a way to lose. That is the DEFINITION of a loser.
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Im not missing anything.
I watch the same games you do.
But I dont watch the ball, I watch the field. At first glance, it’s easy to blame the QB for the outcome of a INT. I do it too.
But after further review, if I see that the WR did the wrong thing, I do what you are incapable of doing which is CHANGE MY OPINION.
You guys have it set in your head that Palmer is a loser. I get it. But if you want to go back and find me all the INT’s he’s thrown in the last season and a half, I still am willing to bet that less than 10 were a result of his poor decision making.
He threw the pick that Asante took to the house. 100% on Palmer and the playcalling. They went to the well one too many times. But so what? He then drove us down and tied the game again and took us into overtime. He had played a perfect game other than that one throw. The second INT came as a result of the WR running the wrong route. Palmer didnt lose the game. The WR did. So how is it Palmer is the loser?
15+ dropped TD passes in the last 18 games yet Palmer is the loser. Jeez.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
No Raider fan should ever be calling anyone losers. We have been the laughing stock of the league for most of the last 25 years.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
NAME ONE GM THAT WOULDVE TAKEN THE JOB. I dare you. Name one friggin GM who would’ve taken on this job, given no draft picks and overpriced , overrated and underperforming vets.
ill wait.
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EASY! Any GM without a job would take it. Lombardi Casserly a number of GM’s would take this job and any other job that gave them a chance to compete. Reggie just isn’t experienced enough to know what to do in this situation but any experienced GM would KNOW!.
Don’t be stupid….
December 9th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
I dont blame palmer, I dont blame dmac, I dont blame the recievers or anybody else because its simple as this… DA does not have these guys ready to play on sundays… He has them ready for about 1 half and thats it.
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It’s DA’s fault that Streater fumbled against SD?
DA’s fault that Kelly gives up two 3rd down conversions with his stupid penalties?
Really?
December 9th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
The official “Who Hates Goodell” Poll
yes – Marks Hair
yes – raider riff
yes – RaiderLen
yes – MistaBrown
yes – dr Hunter S Thompson
yes – Just Win Baby
yes – Englandraider
yes – DJ Johnny
yes – Relentless
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December 9th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
People say some the dumbest crap imaginable. This job is very attractive to a GM with a clue. The thing is in this league now as long as you gthink you have a chance to get or have a QB you can get good real fast. Look around you……….most teams improve almost overnight….. which reflects poorly on this GM.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Priesttj12, except the Raiders are not like most teams, : :: cough AL davis : :: :: :
December 9th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Post 497, the goal of that video was to show what our receivers are capable of because since DA has gotten here there are some who say our receivers suck and cant make plays, but they can and have made plays when put in position t and the coaching staff shows a little faith in their abilities instead of doubting them . so the whole mention of caleb hanie is pointless because the video was about the potential of our recievers not Da vs hue or 8-8 vs 3-13.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
What great talent did we lose from last years team, besides coaching talent? and dont tell me wimbley and routt.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Palmer and DMAC are both quality players – they can be be very good in the right scheme/situation – but once Reggie decided to fire Hue for Captain Sharpie, blow up the offense and move to the ZBS, rollout, west coast style offense, Palmer and DMAC are suddenly liabilities. DMAC is a straight ahead power runner and simply doesn’t have the style to be effective in the ZBS, Palmer is not a mobile rollout west coast qb, his is a classic drop back, play action, downfield passer. It’s not the players, it’s the decision to change the offense and force it down these players throats is the problem. Reggie needs to make a decision, trade the players and get ones that fit the scheme or change the scheme to fit the players, it appears they have opted for the former. They are ‘all in’ at this point with the system change. Stupidly, as the current personnel was drafted/traded for the PBS/Deep passing game but they don’t seem to care about that.
Trade Palmer for a 2nd or 3rd (AZ/Jets) and DMC for a 2nd or 3rd (Giants/Dallas) and don’t look back. Keeping Palmer another year is pointless as he’s way overpaid, already checked out mentally and he’s likely got maybe 2 good years left anyway at best, DMAC can’t succeed in this blocking scheme nor stay healthy and his contract is up after next year so having him next year for another 500 yd season helps no one.
For the record, Pryor might be best fit in the rollout, short controlled passing system and would be dynamite in the zone read he ran at OhState that SF and Washington is running with Kap and RG3. As for RB’s, plenty of quality out there in this draft.
Release DHB while you’re at it. He stinks – Streater and Kriner, Moore/Ford need to be starting anyway.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
To have a Rams kind turnaround you need in the first place a proven and smart head coach like Jeff Fisher enuff said.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Riff I dont blame him for personal blunders even the best of teams have turn overs here and there but I blame him for changing the offense when they didnt need to, I blame him for this teams lack of chemistry because he is so uninspiring, and talking about how they suck and how bad you knew they were before you got here obviously doesnt help. He doesnt seem to have them believing like hes a confidence killer, and I dont care who you are if youve ever placed sports once you lose your confidence youre going to struggle. True story.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
In my mind its easier to replace 1 coach than it is to replace 53 players… And I guarantee Dmac gets more than 500 yards next season. Its a contract year if he wants to get paid handsomly he must produce big for its a chance at his last big payday trust and believe he will work his azz off this offseason to get that big payday. He will have the season of his life next year, trust me.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Ron69 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
To have a Rams kind turnaround you need in the first place a proven and smart head coach like Jeff Fisher enuff said.
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Agreed. Jeff Fisher is not trying to create a freakin’ dynasty by installing an offensive and defensive system to catapult Rams to 5 superbowls in 8 years like DA is hinting he’s attempting to do here with the Raiders! Jeff Fisher is simply tring to win every week with the players he’s got and the cards he’s been handed. He goes about to maximize ways to get the most out of these set of players on roster. If you hand Jeff Fisher a bunch of lemon he makes lemonade. Give DA a bunch of lemons, he smashes them to pieces and complains how come they ain’t peaches!!!
December 9th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
As fans we see Gruden walking around the stadium slapping high fives, talking to the black hole denizens etc. and we think “THAT is just cool”.
I think he was quoted as saying (when he first came aboard) “I love the Raider Nation…best fans in football…it’s awesome”.
I won’t insult the sound, pragmatic “that crap doesn’t matter” posters cuz i get your point on how you are embarrassed by the Raider fans and turn your head in disgust when the cameras flash to the “black hole” crowd, and even I have to admit i cringe when i see “Shield Head” on NFL Network videos, but there is something very cool about a guy LIKE Jon Gruden who has such a great relationship with the fans.
Has DA ever ONCE mentioned the fanbase in ANY interview or presser? He seems more irritated than anything.
I’m not saying he has to pay homage to the “Black Hole” and shake their hands before the game or say “We’re gonna need you guys today” or anything like that…i’m just saying it’d be kind of cool if he did.
I know…he’s too busy concentrating on winning football games. I get that.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Ron69 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
To have a Rams kind turnaround you need in the first place a proven and smart head coach like Jeff Fisher enuff said.
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Agreed. Jeff Fisher is not trying to create a freakin’ dynasty by installing an offensive and defensive system to catapult Rams to 5 superbowls in 8 years like DA is hinting he’s attempting to do here with the Raiders! Jeff Fisher is simply tring to win every week with the players he’s got and the cards he’s been handed. He goes about to maximize ways to get the most out of these set of players on roster. If you hand Jeff Fisher a bunch of lemon he makes lemonade. Give DA a bunch of lemons, he smashes them to pieces and complains how come they ain’t peaches!!!
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The moves the Rams made were not “miracles” or anything. The moves were not something only a superior, experienced football mind can make.
Reggie has 20 some yr’s (right?) with a SB winning and perennially successful organization. He is more than capable of making the moves the Rams did in their offseason, and if DA isn’t capable of coaching up the guys that the experienced Reggie brings on, than he shouldn’t be our HC in the first place.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Here’s the thing. Players have agents. Agents know that Reggie is in a precarious situation which is he likes DA but he ain’t sure gonna sink with him. Which means if DA stinks up the joint for 3 more games Reggie may have to fire DA to save Reggie. Agents tell that stuff to players, trust me they do. And here’s the think: if the players go through motion and lay down the next few games DA will most likely be fired. So I’m gonna look for effort in the next few games which is a tell tell sign if the players want DA fired or not. Based on effort so far I say they do want DA fired. We’ll see.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Lmao @ the shield head comment.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Does anyone here believe that Pryor is gonna play a series or two this week?
December 9th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
510. Agreed, about coaches vs players – but sadly ain’t going to happen.
Reggie has already proven he’s committed to ZBS/Stretch offense by signing players Brisel, Goodson and releasing PBS schemers Bush/Satelle/Barksdale/Bruce Campbell. They are ‘all in’ at the this point, expect DMC to be gone next year as he has no trade value after next season (will be FA and gone anyway) and is still young, has a reasonable contract, and has potential to be really good in a contract year with a good team with an established PBS – like NYGiants, Cowboys, or Rams that have extra picks, and need help at RB. Palmer might be kept but why considering his $17 mill contract, lack of mobility and the fact the management is more concerned with scheme change than winning now. Plus, again little or no trade value after 2013 so at least you get something for him now – nothing after the Raiders suck again which they inevitably will and he is another year older and beaten up even more behind this offense.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Relentless Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Does anyone here believe that Pryor is gonna play a series or two this week?
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In this week’s toilet bowl game between Raiders and Chiefs chances are we’ll see TP6 by owner’s demand if not the fans. DA will have to prove this roster sucks by bringing in TP6 to fail in front of home crowd. Unless of course CP3 wants to pad his stats in garbage time again.
December 9th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
I find it hilarious when some of the semi’s here finally acknowlege that our WRs have dropped over 15 TD’s since last season and caused numerous INTs off their hands…….
……and then in the same sentence say “but still, Palmer is a loser”.
Stubborness at its finest.
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Your still missing the point. Palmer is a loser. Our receivers drop balls. Our receivers run bad routes. Our coaches call bad plays and don’t put players in positions to succeed. Management brings in mediocre to poor talent. An Palmer throws BAD picks and gives up non pocket awareness strip sacks. They ALL suck. But Palmer finds a way to lose time and time again. Tampa. Cleveland. Denver. Atlanta. The list goes on and on. None of those games were his fault entirely, but he had a piece. And the more I see him the more it becomes apparent that he finds a way to lose. That is the DEFINITION of a loser.
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Im not missing anything.
I watch the same games you do.
But I dont watch the ball, I watch the field. At first glance, it’s easy to blame the QB for the outcome of a INT. I do it too.
But after further review, if I see that the WR did the wrong thing, I do what you are incapable of doing which is CHANGE MY OPINION.
You guys have it set in your head that Palmer is a loser. I get it. But if you want to go back and find me all the INT’s he’s thrown in the last season and a half, I still am willing to bet that less than 10 were a result of his poor decision making.
He threw the pick that Asante took to the house. 100% on Palmer and the playcalling. They went to the well one too many times. But so what? He then drove us down and tied the game again and took us into overtime. He had played a perfect game other than that one throw. The second INT came as a result of the WR running the wrong route. Palmer didnt lose the game. The WR did. So how is it Palmer is the loser?
15+ dropped TD passes in the last 18 games yet Palmer is the loser. Jeez.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
No Raider fan should ever be calling anyone losers. We have been the laughing stock of the league for most of the last 25 years.
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I recognize bad routes. I said it. Moore lost a game all by himself w piss poor route running. It was obvious. But Palmer is still a loser.
Fact is, you basically made my point for me. He threw a pick in Atlanta, then manned up and brought us right back down the field. But we still lost. Cause that what Palmer does, loses. I think that actually was the game Moore eventually lost. But it doesn’t matter. It’s a pattern
Against Denver streater flat out dropped a ball. So what did Palmer do? In the very next play Palmer went right back to him and it was completed for a first down. That was awesome! But too late because Palmer had already crushed any momentum we had w that pick in the red zone. It’s a pattern. He’s a loser.
Again, I’m not saying he’s not a good athlete. And I’m not even saying he’s not a leader like a lot of people on this blog claim. I think he leads just fine. And he makes plays. But not when it counts. He’s just like every other USC QB before and after him. A loser. He find ways to lose. How can you not agree with that? What has he won? Ever? And I realize that he has been w the two worst franchises in football for his career. That compounds the fact that he is a loser in my eyes.
Some people have it and some people don’t. He doesn’t. He doesn’t have the “it” factor. He looks awesome 95% of most games and then throws a horrible pick in a horrible situation (granted there aren’t many good situations to throw a pick).
And don’t question my being a fan because I cal him a loser. I call it like I see it. And I watch things besides the ball too. I rewind my TiVo constantly during a game to see go actually missed the block, or didn’t read the stunt properly, or who missed their gap and let open a huge hole, or which d back got looked off by a pump fake or play action. I see all that crap. I know football. I don’t claim to sit down and break down film like you say you do, but I know his game and I love this team.
But Palmer is a bum. Not because of how he acts or even how he plays most of the time. But because he doesn’t win. Anywhere. Ever. Its not his fault. Some guys t just born w a black cloud over their heads. He’s never gonna get out of the storm. And the sooner we cut him loose the better. I know losing Palmer won’t make us improve, we migh even get else of that actually possible, for a while. But know this. WE WILL NEVER WIN ANYTHING WITH CARSON PALMER AND HE WILL NEVER WIN ANYTHING NO MATTER WHERE HE GOES. He’s not as winner. No way anyone can say he’s a winner. So, since he’s not a winner, and he will be 33 next year, he’s a loser.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Everyone wanna act like its a big thing losing Stevie brown. Guess what? He was on the colts and panthers too after being cut from Raiders.
U think thats bad?? Well the dayum chargers had DREW BREES, V JACKSON, Michael the Burner turner, Darron SPROLES. These are guys they just walk away in FA . Thats just as bad IMO
December 9th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
517 thats why I hope we bring chucky back so bad to nullify this whole zone blocking thing. If goodell really bans cut blocks then that makes zone blocking less effective and that less attractive as a scheme. We need chucky bad, cus I dont think I can take another year of football like this.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Relentless Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Does anyone here believe that Pryor is gonna play a series or two this week?
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I wish. But no I don’t see it happening. Seen nothing but round pegs getting squeezed into square holes all year from these coaches. They change schemes back and forth, suspend guys, bench guys. Nothing works. They have made very few good moves. Don’t see them starting now.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Give DA a bunch of lemons, he smashes them to pieces and complains how come they ain’t peaches!!!
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lol. Heck, DA was even given a few peaches and he let them rot (see McFadden and the O-line).
December 9th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
The only thing Captain Sharpie has ever said to the Fans was the call into 95.7 the game after the Saints blowout and another week of ‘uhhmmms’ and ‘we need to play better’ – the announcer asked if he had anything to tell the fans – he said fans need to ‘hang in there’ that things are going to improve and ‘we’ll get this thing turned around’. They then proceeded to get blown out again against the Bengals and again on Thursday. What a joke.
Personally, I don’t think he likes the Raider culture at all, the fans, the history or legend – he definitely doesn’t embrace it – almost seems to act like its below him just like Kiffin did. He wears that stupid white visor with the frikn sharpie in it makes you want to smack off his head. At least Hue and Gruden embraced the culture and mingled with the fans, and Cable looked like he belonged as a coach and projected toughness.
Allen looks like a golf caddy. Put a number on his back and you wouldn’t know the difference.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
I know…he’s too busy concentrating on winning football games. I get that.
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I he? Huh, could have fooled me..
December 9th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
*Is he?
December 9th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
I meant the Browns blowout – shh I’ve lost track of them they’re so many ….
December 9th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
You know its bad when even the raiders brass are questioning DA. Papa, Loneal, Raymond Chester, Rod woodson, Romo…. Its not just the fans.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
The only thing Captain Sharpie has ever said to the Fans was the call into 95.7 the game after the Saints blowout and another week of ‘uhhmmms’ and ‘we need to play better’ – the announcer asked if he had anything to tell the fans – he said fans need to ‘hang in there’ that things are going to improve and ‘we’ll get this thing turned around’. They then proceeded to get blown out again against the Bengals and again on Thursday. What a joke.
Personally, I don’t think he likes the Raider culture at all, the fans, the history or legend – he definitely doesn’t embrace it – almost seems to act like its below him just like Kiffin did. He wears that stupid white visor with the frikn sharpie in it makes you want to smack off his head. At least Hue and Gruden embraced the culture and mingled with the fans, and Cable looked like he belonged as a coach and projected toughness.
Allen looks like a golf caddy. Put a number on his back and you wouldn’t know the difference.
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Agreed. The whole visor, sharpie, stoic no emotion attitude in the sidelines would be pretty cool if he was winning. But he looks like a complete moron when he’s 3 and soon to be 13. Stoic look like stupid when your losing.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Post 527. Lmao
December 9th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Im telling u guys DA seems like a good guy but he is not the RIGHT HC for the RAIDERS. He just isnt.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
i get your point on how you are embarrassed by the Raider fans and turn your head in disgust when the cameras flash to the “black hole” crowd
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Come on, seriously? Knocking the fans for their fanatacism? Puh-leaze. The folks making fun of these fans are probably at home, watching from their couches, and have eaten what the color commentators have fed them and aren’t man enough to stand out from the crowd. Look, if it embarrasses people to be associated with the Raider Nation, they should go root for another team. I’d much rather hang with the fanatics than the condescending pricks that knock them.
Much of that “Black Hole” crowd has been going to games for years and years, through thick and thin. And some prick sitting in the comfort of their own home is going to throw stones? GTFOH
December 9th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
DA is the reincarnation of LK. I knew this was gonna be another 06′. This “rebuilding” process that is being spoken of is bs when they dont even know what the hell they’re doing.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Im telling u guys DA seems like a good guy but he is not the RIGHT HC for the RAIDERS. He just isnt.
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Reminds me so much of ferret faced Shanahan. Probably come back to haunt us like Shanahan did too. But your right, he ain’t working for us, and I’m not sure he ever will.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
IF raiders ever were to get Gruden again.. wouldnt be scared to go against any team in the nfl
December 9th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Its bad because the team really didnt need to be rebuilt they just needed a few more players gere and there on defense and they would have been ok. But reggie wanted to change everything wether it worked or not.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
reminds me when Josh mcdaniels got to denver.. This guy really got rid of Jay Cutler pro bowler, Brandon Marshall, Peyton Hillis who was way better back then, Tony scheftler.
He actually traded up in the first to take tebow, used another future 1st rounder on aplhonso smith the corner
December 9th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
The only thing Captain Sharpie has ever said to the Fans was the call into 95.7 the game after the Saints blowout and another week of ‘uhhmmms’ and ‘we need to play better’ – the announcer asked if he had anything to tell the fans – he said fans need to ‘hang in there’ that things are going to improve and ‘we’ll get this thing turned around’. They then proceeded to get blown out again against the Bengals and again on Thursday. What a joke.
Personally, I don’t think he likes the Raider culture at all, the fans, the history or legend – he definitely doesn’t embrace it – almost seems to act like its below him just like Kiffin did. He wears that stupid white visor with the frikn sharpie in it makes you want to smack off his head. At least Hue and Gruden embraced the culture and mingled with the fans, and Cable looked like he belonged as a coach and projected toughness.
Allen looks like a golf caddy. Put a number on his back and you wouldn’t know the difference.
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The visor and sharpie are DA’s direct imitation of his idol, Saints coach Sean Payton. He worships Sean and everything Sean.
And after (not if) after he’s fired here watch him join his staff as Sean Payton’s personal butter.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
528. You got that right.
Everyone should check out the podcasts on 957thegame.com if you haven’t already – LoNeal has said implied since the beginning that firing Hue and hiring DA was a bad call and now even Wood is starting to suggest they might have made a mistake. Romo has been pissed off about the lack of emotion from DA since about week 6 – and I have totally agreed – I hated this dude since his opening presser – but have hoped that he would prove me wrong. I mention it to Cork in the live game feed that his lack of emotion is bad for the team – and he implies its not important – coach emotion doesn’t matter that it doesn’t win games. I don’t believe that at all – this is an emotional game played by emotional men and look at coaches like Harbaugh and Tomlin and Pete Carrol – emotion makes a *huge* difference. That’s what I liked about Hue and Cable – Hue’s emotional comments after losing the playoff spot to the Chargers and being disgusted by the team and calling them out is exactly what the players needed to hear – and Mark ‘half-wit’ Davis frikin fired him for it?!!!
They bring in Sharpie and he just speaks in monotone coach speak while losing week after week and this is supposed to be better?? Now he can’t be emotional at this point even if he tried as it would come across as fake. The players are not playing for this dude, thats for sure.
I just hope the Chargers or Chiefs don’t hire Hue, he would have those teams balling out and would punish us for years to come.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
I mean butler. Lol.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
538. So true. But DA is not Payton – Payton actually has a personality and he can motivate men. Plus he earned his HC job, DA was handed his. DA is a counterfeit.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
538. So true. But DA is not Payton – Payton actually has a personality and he can motivate men. Plus he earned his HC job, DA was handed his. DA is a counterfeit.
>> hasn’t been a whole season yet. this team sucked in 2010 and 11 and seemed better than it was due to a joke division and easy schedule. so who do the Raiders take with the 3rd overall pick?
December 9th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
i get your point on how you are embarrassed by the Raider fans and turn your head in disgust when the cameras flash to the “black hole” crowd
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Come on, seriously? Knocking the fans for their fanatacism? Puh-leaze. The folks making fun of these fans are probably at home, watching from their couches, and have eaten what the color commentators have fed them and aren’t man enough to stand out from the crowd. Look, if it embarrasses people to be associated with the Raider Nation, they should go root for another team. I’d much rather hang with the fanatics than the condescending pricks that knock them.
Much of that “Black Hole” crowd has been going to games for years and years, through thick and thin. And some prick sitting in the comfort of their own home is going to throw stones? GTFOH
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I was referring to the guys that ARE embarrassed of all that stuff.
I am as “Raider Tradition ,mystique, etc. as anybody.
I’m talikng about that act like they hate all that stuff.
To me, that’s a huge part of the being a Raider fan…
December 9th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
I know…he’s too busy concentrating on winning football games. I get that.
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I he? Huh, could have fooled me..
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Again…i was being a smart alek on how he is not doing that.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
I understood where you were coming from, DJ, and that you weren’t necessarily in that group. I was addressing the folks that *are* in that group.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
The only thing Captain Sharpie has ever said to the Fans was the call into 95.7 the game after the Saints blowout and another week of ‘uhhmmms’ and ‘we need to play better’ – the announcer asked if he had anything to tell the fans – he said fans need to ‘hang in there’ that things are going to improve and ‘we’ll get this thing turned around’. They then proceeded to get blown out again against the Bengals and again on Thursday. What a joke.
Personally, I don’t think he likes the Raider culture at all, the fans, the history or legend – he definitely doesn’t embrace it – almost seems to act like its below him just like Kiffin did. He wears that stupid white visor with the frikn sharpie in it makes you want to smack off his head. At least Hue and Gruden embraced the culture and mingled with the fans, and Cable looked like he belonged as a coach and projected toughness.
Allen looks like a golf caddy. Put a number on his back and you wouldn’t know the difference.
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The visor and sharpie are DA’s direct imitation of his idol, Saints coach Sean Payton. He worships Sean and everything Sean.
And after (not if) after he’s fired here watch him join his staff as Sean Payton’s personal butter.
>> i always liked cable. you know you’re a raiders when you jawcap your assistant for mouthing off. could have kept cable IMO.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Second-worst team in the league. Congrats, DA. You did it!
December 9th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
I won’t insult the sound, pragmatic “that crap doesn’t matter” posters cuz i get your point on how you are embarrassed by the Raider fans and turn your head in disgust when the cameras flash to the “black hole” crowd, and even I have to admit i cringe when i see “Shield Head” on NFL Network videos, but there is something very cool about a guy LIKE Jon Gruden who has such a great relationship with the fans.
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When i say ‘i get’ the “sound, pragmatic guys” take on being disgusted by the Raider “image” i’m saying i’ve heard it before and i am “aware” that opinion is held by these people.
NOT that i agree with it.
I admit i’m not a fan of NFL Films trotting out Shield Head everytime they do a piece on the Raiders as if he’s the true representation of the Raider fan.
No offense to Shield Head. I’m sure he’s a huge fan.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
I won’t insult the sound, pragmatic “that crap doesn’t matter” posters cuz i get your point on how you are embarrassed by the Raider fans and turn your head in disgust when the cameras flash to the “black hole” crowd, and even I have to admit i cringe when i see “Shield Head” on NFL Network videos, but there is something very cool about a guy LIKE Jon Gruden who has such a great relationship with the fans.
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When i say ‘i get’ the “sound, pragmatic guys” take on being disgusted by the Raider “image” i’m saying i’ve heard it before and i am “aware” that opinion is held by these people.
NOT that i agree with it.
I admit i’m not a fan of NFL Films trotting out Shield Head everytime they do a piece on the Raiders as if he’s the true representation of the Raider fan.
No offense to Shield Head. I’m sure he’s a huge fan.
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One thing I am embarrased of as a fan is the video they play before the game on being sportsmanlike fans. Not the message itself. I get that. It’s the folks they have in the video. Eeek. If you’ve seen it, you know what I’m talking about. Oh, and you’re favorite, Shield Head, is in it DJ.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Riff,
Palmer turns the ball over and loses football games. thats just what he does. he did that in Cincy and he does that in Oakland
if you’re impressed by a bunch of yards and TD’s that amount to squat, let me buy you a Kerry Collins or Jeff George jersey, ok?
perhaps you missed it yesterday when I posted that JaMarcus Russell had fewer INT’s and more wins in the same number of starts in Oakland and he was a 22 year old (not to mention 300 lbs, sleep apnea, sizzurp, etc) – not a 32 year old like Carson
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If this is true, it speaks volumns. Leaves nothing else to be said.
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this sh!t just kills me. “a bunch of yards and TD’s that amount to squat”.
good Lord. if a qb gets a lot of yards and td’s, and the team still loses, IT’S NOT THE QB’S FAULT!
why is that so hard for people to understand?
collins and george?
career passer rating:
palmer 86.1
george 80.4
collins 73.8
you people just don’t understand the game AT ALL!
if there was a better running game and a better defense and better receivers, we would be a great team.
the qb position is always the one fans with little knowledge of the game look at. it’s easier that way. only one guy to look at. wins and losses have something to do with the qb but far more to do with the team.
those who keep talking about palmer are just ignorant.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Second-worst team in the league. Congrats, DA. You did it!
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third worst.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
538. So true. But DA is not Payton – Payton actually has a personality and he can motivate men. Plus he earned his HC job, DA was handed his. DA is a counterfeit.
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what, did payton win it in a pie-eating contest or something? they were both first time head coaches after being highly respected assistants. period.
December 9th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
people on here comparing jabustush russell to carson palmer? thats pure stupidity. we all know russell averaged MAYBE 20 pass attempts per game and it was a dumbed down offense. carson has to throwing 40 times per game and the offense is NFL level. really ignorant comparison. russell couldn’t throw for 4,000 yards in 32 starts.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Its bad because the team really didnt need to be rebuilt they just needed a few more players gere and there on defense and they would have been ok. But reggie wanted to change everything wether it worked or not.
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really? name the good players on this team.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
The team did not ’suck’ in 2010 or 2011 – at week 12, last year they were 7-4 their best record in almost a decade with the #1 rushing offense in the league, they lost 4 of 5 mainly from so many injuries on offense and defense falling apart. This year they have been embarrassingly beaten badly or blown out by bad teams with losing records like Miami, Bucs, Browns, Saints, and decent teams Bengals, Ravens, Denver. We are last or near last in every major stat category, have lost 6 straight – this is probably a top 3 worst Raider team *ever* since 1960. Def worst team since the 2-14 2006 season and even more disappointing because we had been a playoff contender last 2 seasons. ‘This’ Raider team sucks. ‘This’ coaching staff and GM is responsible.
As for the our pick (prob #2) – we should absolutely trade down for a mid to late #1 and a couple of 2’s if not something more in 2014 – if Reggie wants to take a player that high – I say only Luke Joeckel for LT (move Veldheer to RT) or Star Lotulelei to replace Seymour. Not sold on Te’o in top 10 – I bet he falls in the draft – we could trade down and still get him along with a top 10 OL or DL. We def need a pass rusher too but they can be had later for cheaper. Elite OL or D tackles are harder to get.
Reggie needs to hit a home run this draft – and in FA.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Its bad because the team really didnt need to be rebuilt they just needed a few more players gere and there on defense and they would have been ok. But reggie wanted to change everything wether it worked or not.
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really? name the good players on this team.
>. don’t bother DR. some fans think this team was “close” to greatness in 10,11 and nothing you can say will convince them otherwise.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
550,Dr. Rob,
Kudos for keeping up the fight on this, sometimes i’m juts not up for the back and forth with people that just have a predisposed hatred of the guy.
One problem is their errant opinion gets backed up by the clueless media diks who look at our record and immediately and continuously blame it all on Palmer.
“Raiders are losing so i guess that whole Palmer thing didn’t work out”.
Yes. You win. It turns out Palmer is NOT Superman after all…able to leap historically bad defenses, porous lines and no running game with a single bound.
Guilty.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Second-worst team in the league. Congrats, DA. You did it!
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third worst.
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Yes, you’re technically right. Though I think we’d lose to the Jags if both teams played at full health. Not having MJD made a big difference in that game. Still needed a late comeback at home.
But yes, 3rd worst.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
people on here comparing jabustush russell to carson palmer? thats pure stupidity. we all know russell averaged MAYBE 20 pass attempts per game and it was a dumbed down offense. carson has to throwing 40 times per game and the offense is NFL level. really ignorant comparison. russell couldn’t throw for 4,000 yards in 32 starts.
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Pretty rich, isn’t it? There’s no end to the stupidity in here sometimes.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Count me as one of the biggest YES votes for Jon Gruden to be Head Coach in 2013! I will go into details later.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
I would not even compare Russell to my dog. My dog is more ambitious and hard working.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
550,Dr. Rob,
Kudos for keeping up the fight on this, sometimes i’m juts not up for the back and forth with people that just have a predisposed hatred of the guy.
One problem is their errant opinion gets backed up by the clueless media diks who look at our record and immediately and continuously blame it all on Palmer.
“Raiders are losing so i guess that whole Palmer thing didn’t work out”.
Yes. You win. It turns out Palmer is NOT Superman after all…able to leap historically bad defenses, porous lines and no running game with a single bound.
Guilty.
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LOL. the media are just fans with journalism degrees many times. they only look at the surface and what’s easy to say or write. anyone who has any knowledge of this team and anything close to real football acumen would look at qb pretty much last. palmer is so far down the list of things wrong with this team that it’s laughable to talk about.
but i kinda feel like a teacher of remedial math trying to get simple concepts across to a class full of retards. it just seems beyond them.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Second-worst team in the league. Congrats, DA. You did it!
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third worst.
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Yes, you’re technically right. Though I think we’d lose to the Jags if both teams played at full health. Not having MJD made a big difference in that game. Still needed a late comeback at home.
But yes, 3rd worst.
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jax is horrendous. really bad. but they play miami and tennessee still, so they could win one.
but kc might beat us.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
my list of problems with this team:
1) defense!
2) coaching
3) run game
4) special teams
5) depth
6) lack of draft picks
28) qb
December 9th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
>> i always liked cable. you know you’re a raiders when you jawcap your assistant for mouthing off. could have kept cable IMO.
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Applause.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
552. Dude. Sean Payton was an OC for the Giants for 3 years including 2000 when they went to the super bowl – he was also the assistant head coach and qb/offensive coordinator for the Cowboys 3 more years before being hired in NO. Dennis Allen was a frikin quality control coach for the Falcons for a couple seasons and a position coach for Saints for 4 years before the DC for *one* season in Denver under John Fox.
Oh, and Payton took a crappy 3-13 team and went 10-6 his first season and made it to the NFC championship game. Allen took a decent 8-8 playoff contender and turned them into a 3-13 joke.
Big difference. Dennis Allen is no Sean Payton by a long shot. Reggie and Mark got sold on that lie too apparently. They’re sure not missing him in Denver – looks like they’re happy with Del Rio running the defense. Probably laughing about it too..
December 9th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
TSR,
There’s obviously more than a few here who are so happy that Al’s gone and we can be just like the other 31.
These ones hate any Raider tradition and could care less if we changed our team colors and logo or held onto anything that might remind someone of Al Davis.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
I agree with you, Dr_Robert. Anybody blaming Palmer at this point can’t see the forest from the trees.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
jax is horrendous. really bad. but they play miami and tennessee still, so they could win one.
but kc might beat us.
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Sadly I’d be more surprised if we DONT have the number one pick in the draft than if do.
Its been that kind of year.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
my list of problems with this team:
1) defense!
2) coaching
3) run game
4) special teams
5) depth
6) lack of draft picks
28) qb
>> for me its TALENT on defense. no playmakers. no leader. nothing.OC Knapp is another giant problem. palmer is a good QB if you put an NFL caliber team around him
December 9th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
The jamarcus russel over Calvin johnson pick set us back the most. I wanted calvin so bad when al skipped him for jamarcus I just knew it would come back to bite us. Smh jamarcus russel was the worst thing to ever happen to the raiders.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
DA and Reggie have ruined this blog. All people can blog about is who’s fault it is why we suck so fiercely bad. That is not debatable. It’s the coaches and the scheme. And the inability to see the chop block is gonna be outlawed, that means the ZBS double sucks. So as the Raiders go down the toilet, so dies this blog. It’s no longer entertaining because every body thinks its their reason why we suck. Reggie messed up hiring DA and DA messed it up hiring knapp. Their attempt to homogenize the Raiders has then swirling around the toilet drain. Hello cesspool, we’re comin in.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
552. Dude. Sean Payton was an OC for the Giants for 3 years including 2000 when they went to the super bowl – he was also the assistant head coach and qb/offensive coordinator for the Cowboys 3 more years before being hired in NO. Dennis Allen was a frikin quality control coach for the Falcons for a couple seasons and a position coach for Saints for 4 years before the DC for *one* season in Denver under John Fox.
Oh, and Payton took a crappy 3-13 team and went 10-6 his first season and made it to the NFC championship game. Allen took a decent 8-8 playoff contender and turned them into a 3-13 joke.
Big difference. Dennis Allen is no Sean Payton by a long shot. Reggie and Mark got sold on that lie too apparently. They’re sure not missing him in Denver – looks like they’re happy with Del Rio running the defense. Probably laughing about it too..
>. DA took took over a crappy defensive football that looked better than it was because it got to play in a joke division in 10 and 11 and a softer schedule. this team had holes then and ended with more holes when RM purged bad contracts.I’m not surprised this team is 3-10 soon to be 3-13. no depth or TALENT on defense.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
DA and Reggie have ruined this blog. All people can blog about is who’s fault it is why we suck so fiercely bad. That is not debatable. It’s the coaches and the scheme. And the inability to see the chop block is gonna be outlawed, that means the ZBS double sucks. So as the Raiders go down the toilet, so dies this blog. It’s no longer entertaining because every body thinks its their reason why we suck. Reggie messed up hiring DA and DA messed it up hiring knapp. Their attempt to homogenize the Raiders has then swirling around the toilet drain. Hello cesspool, we’re comin in.
>> this team is devoid of talent man. the defense has no play makers no leader. just look at it. they need a leader on defense.the offense has a new scheme and its been a disaster but DMAC has been crap this year.talent trumps “scheme” and DMC should find a way. the other backs have out played him.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
552. Dude. Sean Payton was an OC for the Giants for 3 years including 2000 when they went to the super bowl – he was also the assistant head coach and qb/offensive coordinator for the Cowboys 3 more years before being hired in NO. Dennis Allen was a frikin quality control coach for the Falcons for a couple seasons and a position coach for Saints for 4 years before the DC for *one* season in Denver under John Fox.
Oh, and Payton took a crappy 3-13 team and went 10-6 his first season and made it to the NFC championship game. Allen took a decent 8-8 playoff contender and turned them into a 3-13 joke.
Big difference. Dennis Allen is no Sean Payton by a long shot. Reggie and Mark got sold on that lie too apparently. They’re sure not missing him in Denver – looks like they’re happy with Del Rio running the defense. Probably laughing about it too..
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Pretty much agreed here, although we hitched the wagon to him, ya got to ride it out for a few more years.
That is unless the Gruden rumors are true, which I don’t believe for a second.
Knapp needs to be jettisoned priority one season end though.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
I think Reggie and DA deserve some credit for a decent draft that began at # 95, plus an undrafted Streater. Remember also there was no $ to draft talented free agents. Things will be better in 2013. You gotta believe!!!
December 9th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
The jamarcus russel over Calvin johnson pick set us back the most. I wanted calvin so bad when al skipped him for jamarcus I just knew it would come back to bite us. Smh jamarcus russel was the worst thing to ever happen to the raiders.
>> the Raiders have whiffed on EVERY first round pick since 2003 pick #31. that will ruin ANY franchise
December 9th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Can anyone really blame Madden for reading a comic book during the game last Thursday night? That shot of him was priceless. What a frickin joke we’ve become. Palmer and McFadden have been reduced players cause the coaches can’t coach, plan, think ahead, instruct or inspire their team to perform. Simply stunning.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
>> this team is devoid of talent man. the defense has no play makers no leader. just look at it. they need a leader on defense.the offense has a new scheme and its been a disaster but DMAC has been crap this year.talent trumps “scheme” and DMC should find a way. the other backs have out played him.
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So explain him leading the league in rushing last year before getting hurt.
I will wait…
December 9th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
beach Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
I think Reggie and DA deserve some credit for a decent draft that began at # 95, plus an undrafted Streater. Remember also there was no $ to draft talented free agents. Things will be better in 2013. You gotta believe!!!
>> they get another draft to prove themselves. see what they do.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
We had talent last year. Our DC was single handily liable for three losses last year.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
I will help explain Gdog. The comment is right about the defense, but wrong about the offense. DMAC looks bad because of Knapp. The offensive scheme has destroyed the once good offense!
December 9th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Gdog Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
>> this team is devoid of talent man. the defense has no play makers no leader. just look at it. they need a leader on defense.the offense has a new scheme and its been a disaster but DMAC has been crap this year.talent trumps “scheme” and DMC should find a way. the other backs have out played him.
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So explain him leading the league in rushing last year before getting hurt.
I will wait…
>> led in rushing for 6 whole games!! explain mike goodson and marcel reese out playing DMC if he’s such a beast? guy can’t stay on the field. trade DMC
December 9th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Beach Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
I will help explain Gdog. The comment is right about the defense, but wrong about the offense. DMAC looks bad because of Knapp. The offensive scheme has destroyed the once good offense!
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Word!
December 9th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Post 578 agreed
December 9th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
beach Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
I will help explain Gdog. The comment is right about the defense, but wrong about the offense. DMAC looks bad because of Knapp. The offensive scheme has destroyed the once good offense!
>. scheme has nothing to do with DMC. he can’t stay on the field regardless. i don’t want to hear excuses, are you telling me mike goodson and marcel reese and run well in the ZBS and DMC can’t? is DMC an idiot? and they have run PB plays for DMC and he STILL gets stuffed? so whats the excuse?
December 9th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Good night, boys. Need to shut down this season really quickly and focus on a better 2013, hopefully, with Jon Gruden back with the Oakland Raiders!
December 9th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
The thing is the QB gets all the focus no matter what from the media..especially national. Palmer understands and accepts that.
Heck yes i was disappointed at those picks in Atl. TB, and Denver…I was like “dang..c’mon man”. I try to be fair when it comes to Palmer. I want him to be the superhero and get it done despite everything but it is a TEAM GAME.
We all accept that our receivers are not even close to top notch…or anywhere near upper level, yet Palmer is like 8 yds behind Manning in total passing yards in the NFL.
So if you have a subpar receiving corps, no run game and weak line like everybody’s saying that stat is pretty darn impressive.
The QB though gets most of the blame from fans and media if a team loses and that’s just the way it is.
It’s the nature of the NFL Qb, and Palmer understands that…fair or not.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Manassa, I won’t make an excuse. He has been injured so many times that he doesn’t have the burst he had at the beginning of 2011. I don’t think he will again. I still think Knapp is worthless as our OC.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
The jamarcus russel over Calvin johnson pick set us back the most. I wanted calvin so bad when al skipped him for jamarcus I just knew it would come back to bite us. Smh jamarcus russel was the worst thing to ever happen to the raiders.
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Blah blah blah blah blah!! You know how tired this thinking is?? Please explain to me how JR set the team back. And remember, we were 2-14 the year we drafted him.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Can anyone really blame Madden for reading a comic book during the game last Thursday night? That shot of him was priceless. What a frickin joke we’ve become. Palmer and McFadden have been reduced players cause the coaches can’t coach, plan, think ahead, instruct or inspire their team to perform. Simply stunning.
>. this is the NFL man. grown men have to be motivated to go chase a rubber football around for millions of dollars while other sweat away for peanuts? no sympathy from me man. should be glad I’m not the coach. I’d have DMC returning kickoffs and playing on ST while marcel reese gets all of his carries
December 9th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
I do think Reggie will draft well – he has experience in that and has a great track record. I just think he was put in a position he wasn’t familiar with. He was forced to fire a good coach – Hue – and then had to find a replacement – evaluating and hiring a head coach is something he has never done and probably just took some people he trusts word for it.
Hopefully DA will learn from his horrible start and improve in year 2 but so far he’s done nothing to earn any confidence. But, like its been said, there’s nothing we can do at this point, the iron is caste and we’ll just have to hope. Don’t know how we can fire the coordinators and get any good ones to come in under DA tho – these were ‘his’ guys after all…
December 9th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Mauler each time Dmac has looked regular knapp has been oc when knapp wasnt oc for those 2 years dmac exceled. Weve seen this movie before Dmac can play its just he and knapp are like oil and water, they just dont mix…
December 9th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Raiders will just roll with Reese. he can be the lead back. they have goodson and stewart beyond that. i hope DMC has a couple of monster games here so his value goes up and some sucker team gives OAK a 2nd
December 9th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Mauler each time Dmac has looked regular knapp has been oc when knapp wasnt oc for those 2 years dmac exceled. Weve seen this movie before Dmac can play its just he and knapp are like oil and water, they just dont mix…
>> but these practice squad RBS like stewart and backups like goodson can run in the ZBS. but like i said that doesn’t even matter with DMC because he’s fragile man, he needs to go. DMC is another 1st round bust IMO add him to the list
December 9th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
RaiderDebo, the kid was paid over $30 Mil to be an NFL QB. He couldn’t cut it. He was lazy and a drug addict. What don’t you understand that this was Al Davis’ disgrace in the final years of his life?
December 9th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Debo jamarcus is the 2nd biggest bust in nfl history behind Ryan leaf I mean they changed the entire rookie scale because he was so horrible to protect the teams. Jamarcus was god awful bro im sorry.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Raider Riff….enough about football….what’s the real story about the Kennedy assassination? The first one, that is. Was it because he wanted to get rid of the private bank called the Fed, or was for getting out of Vietnam, or both?
December 9th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
if DMAC go’s then Knapp must follow……..
December 9th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Nope hes only 25 has atleast 5 more years left before you can call him a bust. Hes in his contract year next year I ti think he actually stays healthy and has a big year next year. And sure stewart and reece have looked better than dmac in this awful system but its not like theyve been breaking 40, or 50 yarders I think stewarts longest run was for like 14 or something like that. I mean they get the good 5 yards here 4 yards there plays and thats it. When dmac is on though hes a game changer and someone defenses fear, trade Dmac if you want but no ones going to be thinking oh sht jeremy stewarts coming to town.
December 9th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
post 128. dont do that bro, let me have all your stuff.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:02 am
I watched a do,umentary that talked about a theory which suggest george bush senior had kennedy killed. It talks about how bushes father prescott bush was connected to the nazis as well.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:14 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Nope hes only 25 has atleast 5 more years left before you can call him a bust. Hes in his contract year next year I ti think he actually stays healthy and has a big year next year. And sure stewart and reece have looked better than dmac in this awful system but its not like theyve been breaking 40, or 50 yarders I think stewarts longest run was for like 14 or something like that. I mean they get the good 5 yards here 4 yards there plays and thats it. When dmac is on though hes a game changer and someone defenses fear, trade Dmac if you want but no ones going to be thinking oh sht jeremy stewarts coming to town.
>. yep he’s only 25 and can’t stay on the field more than 12 games per year. imagine when hes 28. Running backs aren’t as important now. we all know it. its a passing league now, gotta have a QB that can carry the team, an OLINE that can hold the LOS and a few decent WRS that can run a route and catch a pass.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Beach Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
I will help explain Gdog. The comment is right about the defense, but wrong about the offense. DMAC looks bad because of Knapp. The offensive scheme has destroyed the once good offense!
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and yet reece thrives in it.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:30 am
Manassamauler Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
beach Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
I will help explain Gdog. The comment is right about the defense, but wrong about the offense. DMAC looks bad because of Knapp. The offensive scheme has destroyed the once good offense!
>. scheme has nothing to do with DMC. he can’t stay on the field regardless. i don’t want to hear excuses, are you telling me mike goodson and marcel reese and run well in the ZBS and DMC can’t? is DMC an idiot? and they have run PB plays for DMC and he STILL gets stuffed? so whats the excuse?
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dmc is an “exploder”. he just goes full speed like a rocket. he either hits a hole or runs into someone.
but injuries have had an effect. he is no longer quite as explosive. so he doesn’t really hit the holes very hard either. just his linemen.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:31 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 9th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
The jamarcus russel over Calvin johnson pick set us back the most. I wanted calvin so bad when al skipped him for jamarcus I just knew it would come back to bite us. Smh jamarcus russel was the worst thing to ever happen to the raiders.
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Blah blah blah blah blah!! You know how tired this thinking is?? Please explain to me how JR set the team back. And remember, we were 2-14 the year we drafted him.
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we spent several years thinking he was the answer. and spent a ton of money on him that could have gone elsewhere. that was easy.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:09 am
if there was a better running game and a better defense and better receivers, we would be a great team.
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LOL @ Dr Bob #550
yeah – Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter, Josh McCown, Daunte Culpepper, JaMarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski & Jason Campbell could have benefited from that too
you’re basically saying that we need to keep Carson Palmer and trash everything else
what an idiot!
December 10th, 2012 at 4:16 am
Terrapin #142 & #152
Carson Palmer left the Bengals by choice. He missed half a season. Peyton Manning missed a whole season.
these wiley ole vets know how to play football man. “off the couch” excuses can be thrown out the window imo
most of YOU PEOPLE said that CP3 was better than Campbell & Boller in his first 3 games “off the couch” last season than those other guys who had been here the whole time!
December 10th, 2012 at 4:22 am
Answer post #69 RRS
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Riff,
I ignored your 3 or 4 pleas to respond to that because you could make that argument for every QB in the league. You blame everybody else but Carson for his INT’s
I don’t feel the need to debate that. sorry
December 10th, 2012 at 4:44 am
Good Morning!!
I wonder when Steve will start talking Draft…draft prospects!
With the remaining schedule I see us picking 2nd or 3rd overall…I might be wrong, we’ll end up with the 1st pick!
After (2) 8-8 seasons it didn’t take much to start from scratch!
Thank you Reggie McKenzie!!
December 10th, 2012 at 5:03 am
Dr Robert and Riff, please read post 519 cause I don’t wanna keep repeating myself about how much of a loser Palmer is. Cause I don’t want anyone to confuse my opinion an think that I’m saying this is all palmers fault or he has no talent or anything stupid like that. But I’ll give one last example of how Palmer is a loser and finds a way to lose and will never win anything.
The bengals. We talk about how bad an organization they are? How mismanaged and devoid of talent they are? Yet the second they get rid of Palmer and install a rookie QB they r a contender again. Now I know they haven’t beaten a single quality opponent in these last two years, they just beat up on worse teams an get swept by Baltimore and Pittsburgh every year. I know all that. I don’t wanna debate the merits of the bengals. But my point is Palmer is gone and they r glad he’s gone. They r contending. Nobody misses him or his in opportune picks or non pocket awareness strip sacks. They r just fine, in fact many times better without him. Sounds familiar in the opposite direction for us, doesn’t it? He’s out problem now.
He is going to set us back almost as badly as Russell did. He’s already damaging Pryor’s career, holding him back. And again, I realize that Pryor could be useless, we have no way of knowing what he can do, so I’m in no way saying Pryor is the answer, but as long as Palmer and DA for that matter r around, we will never know.
All the bad things that could have happened after the Palmer trade have happened. We missed the post season last year. We fell from contention this year. And we gave up a first and a second round draft pick for nothing. As far as Palmer is concerned, it’s not for lack of talent, or desire, or leadership or any of that tangible or intangible stuff people talk about all the time. It’s that he’s just yet another in a long line of USC quarterbacks before and after him to be a complete and utter failure. He has never won anything. He will never win anything. The sooner we dump him, cut our losses and get what we can for him, the better off we will be in the long run. ID rather suck w a couple of rookies under center then a 33 year old black cloud. At least the rookies have the potential to be winners.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:11 am
And as far as Hue? FACK him too. Idk if Reggie is gonna be any good or not, but I’d rather retool w packers guys then bengals guys. I’ll take my chances w the packers pedigree.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:24 am
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December 10th, 2012 at 5:41 am
Why didn’t Corky ask Goodell if we can finish the season right now and spare us a lot of grief?
December 10th, 2012 at 5:41 am
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December 10th, 2012 at 5:24 am
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Can you make me a member of the group, unless its a private thing? I’ll play.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:43 am
Neilb Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:41 am
Why didn’t Corky ask Goodell if we can finish the season right now and spare us a lot of grief?
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Seems as though we already did that weeks ago. Haha
December 10th, 2012 at 5:43 am
…….it’s not like my other sporting love is doing any better.Sunderland afc is a load of cr@p too.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:44 am
It is private but you and everyone else is welcome to play, just go to the link and use the password aldavis.
Thanks for playing
December 10th, 2012 at 5:45 am
Did we? Sorry.Work 4 on,4 off so sometimes I miss stuff.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:46 am
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways and that’s mister Mark Davis.
If he starts meddling with his moms team we are screwed.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:48 am
I tried. It tells me this:
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No big deal. Don’t expect you to spend hours troubleshooting. Haha
December 10th, 2012 at 5:54 am
Luck has six game winning drives in the fourth quarter
RG3 is just unreal, He throws BULLETS
The bungles continue to be the bungles no matter who is at QB. Marv Lewis must have a lot to do with that. He has fielded competitive teams but he cant get over the hump
December 10th, 2012 at 5:58 am
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December 10th, 2012 at 5:58 am
No wonder no one has signed up
December 10th, 2012 at 6:05 am
GOOD MORNING SPORS’S FAN’S.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:23 am
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December 10th, 2012 at 6:51 am
Good morning gentleman!
My brother and I were having a somewhat, sad conversation this morning about the Raiders play the last 10 or 11+ years.
You can’t help but be in awe of all the FA signings we’ve made and players we have drafted that have turned out to be complete busts. It’s worse because we are growing old as the Raiders continue to lose. In return that feeling of hopelessness makes you cling on to any sign of potential or progress, even if it’s showcased in one quarter of play.
It’s like a fiend that’ll take anything to get his/her fix.
I’ve been a fan since 1990 and have witnessed 7 winning seasons in 22 years…thats tough for anyone. At least some of you veteran fans have lived through the glory years of the Raiders, while all I have is pretty much the Gruden era.
With that said, when the hell does anyone just say,”ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!?!?”
The cycle of losing and utter disappointment takes away from maximizing enjoyment of life through the months of April-January/Feb. lol Seriously…
IT FCK’N HAS TO STOP! GET IT TOGETHER AND MAKE THE CORRECT FA MOVES AND DRAFT PLAYERS WHO WILL FIT THE SCHEMES YOU ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT AND GET THE SHIP GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
It’s the reason why most of us want Gruden back… some of us are still clinging on because thats the last coach that was fielding competitive teams and WINNING. From now on, I will expect the worst from our Raiders because hoping has not worked for a long time with this team.
GET IT TOGETHER!
Sorry for the rant.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:28 am
those who keep talking about palmer are just ignorant.
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December 10th, 2012 at 7:28 am
Miami,
Tis the season for such rants.
Raider fans know all too well the empty feeling that turns to anger from seeing all these other teams vying for a playoff spot at mattering, while we play out the string and hope for the future. Sick of that too.
Say what u want about it being a “mirage” and “not real” but we had a break from that misery the prior two seasons. At this time the last two seasons we were still very much in the hunt for the playoffs.
Make what u want out of that, but it is what it is.
I don’t know what we can do to affect any change. I think when u look in the stands during the Browns game and even the “soldout” Denver game, it’s obvious the fans are speaking in their silence.
I have some hope in that our owner is very dis-satisfied with this and will do all he can to make it better.
I’m not asking for SB right away but want to at least get out of laughingstock status, which we got away from, but are right back into.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:46 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:28 am
Say what u want about it being a “mirage” and “not real” but we had a break from that misery the prior two seasons. At this time the last two seasons we were still very much in the hunt for the playoffs.
Make what u want out of that, but it is what it is.
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I agree. Regardless of who came in to coach this year, I thought to make the transition easier for the new regime, we would have built off of the success of our offense, add some pieces to our D and sign some players for depth. We didn’t do that and it set us back a few more years.
Why?!?! Who knows but when you think about it now, after all that has transpired, it was a colossal mistake. If the measures I mentioned above would have been taken, we wouldn’t be 3-10 and playing uninspired football. Superbowl bound this year? I doubt it. But what we are watching week in and week out is beyond pathetic.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:56 am
At least the rookies have the potential to be winners.
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When does that sh1t get old though. Aren’t you sick of ‘at least we have potential’. Al Davis drove this team through the ground in to what it is today by paying for potential that was never realized.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Test
December 10th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Looks like the blog is being affected by all this losing and hopelessness as well.
Looks like off season mode is in full effect.
Maybe an announcement of Pryor starting against KC might be only thing to give us a reason to watch.
The Pryor naysayers could look forward to seeing flop and the Pryor optimists could look forward to seeing the ‘Wave of the Future” on full display.
I’d be interested in seeing it. It’d be fun either way; or better said “different”.
Sad that it’s the only “bone” the org. can provide us at this point.
Anything else i’m missing?
It will be the true “Toilet Bowl” game for the season.
Also, it’ll be interesting to see how the McClain thing is addressed. I’d think we’d hear something on this today right?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Time to play tp.. hope we get the top pick
December 10th, 2012 at 8:01 am
I agree. Regardless of who came in to coach this year, I thought to make the transition easier for the new regime, we would have built off of the success of our offense, add some pieces to our D and sign some players for depth. We didn’t do that and it set us back a few more years.
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The truth of the matter is, this purge was a long time coming. It should have been done sooner, but it wasn’t. When it comes to pay for play, we are so far out of balance that nothing short of what we are going through is possible to correct it.
I don’t hate on Reggie or DA at this point, because they inherated a situation that ANYONE not seeing through Silver and Black glasses could see was an unwinnable situation. Reg and DA have not been perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but even if they were perfect then what? We eek out another 8-8 by the skin of our teeth? We have more cap issues next year? I mean, personally, I will eat a 3-13 year if it finally ends the constant string of bad management.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:06 am
The reason we have sucked for so long is dead Miamiraider.. I’m just scared that the new management is just as bad as the old management
December 10th, 2012 at 8:09 am
In the long run our horrible season is best thing to happen in the long run.
At least we’ll have some fun draft talk this yr. and we’ll see how Reggie does.
I think we may see him trade down and try to acquire a # 2 pick to get that back and we’ll have a full draft this time.
8-8 or 7-9 would have kept us in football hell. This bad record can serve to make some REAL change.
Reggie has to do it right.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:24 am
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Every time I go there I get on ERROR don’t belong to this group or some such shvt. Would like to play
December 10th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Still no one fired?
December 10th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Chico still MIA?!
Operation save Chico from Oakland starts now.
Burn every tree!
Look in every strip club!
Save Chico!
December 10th, 2012 at 8:17 am
CP throws a lot of INTs but he is not the main problem.
Main problems:
1- Coaching
2- Defense
3- lack of talent
December 10th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Good morning Green Party & Nation.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Still no one fired?
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Nope.
D’Antonio and Duhon still running the show.
Kobe still not playing D.
They owe Mike Brown a public apology, lol.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Do we change OCs and put Pryor in ANOTHER system to learn?
Hmmmmmm…..
December 10th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Raider O Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Chico still MIA?!
Operation save Chico from Oakland starts now.
Burn every tree!
Look in every strip club!
Save Chico!
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Word O
I been lookin for him too! WTF
Hwnrdr where you at?
Mass suicide of Raider fans that we didn’t hear about LOL!!
They all musta gotta hold of some bad SHVT at the tailgate.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Its official,..Jon Gruden NOT coming back. Sorry. Hey Im just the messenger.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:24 am
If lack of talent is an issue, how can we properly evaluate the coaches?
December 10th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Ya know I have thought a lot about that high draft pick. First thing to consider is, who is going to be there at #2 worth a mid to late round team trading up for? There is no RG3 in this draft. I think the best thing is to take Te’o. He is an outstanding player, AND the biggest thing is he is the best LEADER in college football today. A team that desperately lacks leadership can’t afford to pass on a guy like that. Just my take.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:26 am
LOL Jim.
Hwnrdr, B, and DMAC were there but they didn’t see/ meet Chico.
Maybe he is MIA to escape the agony of marriage.
Good for you Chico. Stay MIA.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Does Te’o have the lateral movement speed for the 4-3? Don’t want another square peg in a round hole.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:31 am
J Hill Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:24 am
If lack of talent is an issue, how can we properly evaluate the coaches?
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-Because our team regressed with the same level of talent.
- no one forced the coaches to put Wiz at C, our only impact player (DMC) looks average after having good seasons the last 2 years.
- because our Defense regressed after we hired a defensive minded coach.
- because we allow more points, score less, less yards, and less 1st downs with the same level of talent.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Mark,
I know the reason we have sucked for so long is a dead issue but I stay away from it unlike most of the semi’s? lol in here. I just had to rant real quick because it was brought up in conversation this morning and it lasted longer than usual. lol
December 10th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Ravens fired Cam Cameron
but Knapp still has a job?
lol
December 10th, 2012 at 8:34 am
OC Cam Cameron from the Ravens gets fired with a winning record…..
However, the Raiders who have one of the worse offenses in the league hold on to Knapp and preach patience!
THANKS McKenzie and Allen!…..Patience…
I’ve been patient for 10 years!
December 10th, 2012 at 8:38 am
That Notre Dame LB isnt all that…not worth first round pick…Reg going to draft nothing but D players, all lineman except maybe a corner late. Its what Im telling him Sunday to do anyway. Consider it did.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:38 am
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December 10th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Ravens gave Cam the shaft!
December 10th, 2012 at 8:41 am
I’m done with Titty Monkey too. I was willing to give him another chance because he has a 4 year contract, but he had done nothing to earn another of employment as our HC.
I want a new coaching staff.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Another year* of employment.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Cam got canned at this time to light a fire under the O`s butts,…the Raiders are 3-10 and firing someone now would have zero affect,..he likely not even canned at all,..likely back in 2013,…Allen for sure is. 100% lock.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:42 am
-Because our team regressed with the same level of talent.
- no one forced the coaches to put Wiz at C, our only impact player (DMC) looks average after having good seasons the last 2 years.
- because our Defense regressed after we hired a defensive minded coach.
- because we allow more points, score less, less yards, and less 1st downs with the same level of talent.
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1. I agree the move of Wiz was ill advised, BUT he has been very strong there after a rough start.
2. It is hard for me to blame DMAC on coaching when our other running backs ARE productive behind the same oline. It appears that DMac isn’t the same guy after last years injury. (not defending Knapp, I don’t like him either)
3. Most of the talent we lost was on defense, this is not close to the same defense as last year. Aside from the DLine, the only starter that carried over is Branch. All new CB’s all new LB’s
4. I can’t agree that we have the same level of talent when we turn over 41% of the roster.
I am not saying that the coaching has been perfect, or doesn’t leave something to be desired. DA has made rookie mistakes. I am saying I don’t think ANY coach could have fielded a playoff contender with these circumstances.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Lack of leadership is the issue.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Side note:
I really want to bang Hannah Storm. What other hot woman can you bang and then talk sports after for a bit, until you start banging again? lol
December 10th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Raiders should go after Cam Cameron. Look at Ray Rice’s rushing numbers. Look at what he did in the last 10 years.
San Diego: 2002-2006, ended with LT’s 2300/31 TD season.
Miami: 2007, Ronnie Brown
Baltimore: 2008-2012, Ray Rice.
It would be a very nice upgrade. Joe mamma would be a nice upgrade over Knapp though.
Why wait till the end of the season. Go get him ASAP.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Whoever we get at the top of the draft, we need to take talent over need. Drafting for need usually never works out when you let future HOF players at other positions go by. Drafting for need is what perennial doormats do.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Allen for sure is. 100% lock.
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How do we know for sure that you aren’t being purposely misinformed?
December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Jason Cole from Yahoo Sports had a very interesting interview on 95.7FM. You can listen to the podcast as well. He says Palmer is playing disinterested. The players don’t respect Allen and he thinks Allen is in over his head at the moment.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Cam Cameron will be awful as an OC. I’d rather go for Norv or Saunders after the season is over.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:42 am
-Because our team regressed with the same level of talent.
- no one forced the coaches to put Wiz at C, our only impact player (DMC) looks average after having good seasons the last 2 years.
- because our Defense regressed after we hired a defensive minded coach.
- because we allow more points, score less, less yards, and less 1st downs with the same level of talent.
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1. I agree the move of Wiz was ill advised, BUT he has been very strong there after a rough start.
2. It is hard for me to blame DMAC on coaching when our other running backs ARE productive behind the same oline. It appears that DMac isn’t the same guy after last years injury. (not defending Knapp, I don’t like him either)
3. Most of the talent we lost was on defense, this is not close to the same defense as last year. Aside from the DLine, the only starter that carried over is Branch. All new CB’s all new LB’s
4. I can’t agree that we have the same level of talent when we turn over 41% of the roster.
I am not saying that the coaching has been perfect, or doesn’t leave something to be desired. DA has made rookie mistakes. I am saying I don’t think ANY coach could have fielded a playoff contender with these circumstances.
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Most of the talent (using the term loosely) we lost were from the defense as you said, so why is our offense scoring less, getting less 1st downs, and less yards per game?
Bush was a backup RB
Myers is playing better than Boss
Satele wasnt special
Our best players on offense from last year have regressed.
Veldheer: regressed
Wiz: regressed
DHB: regressed
Moore: regressed
DMC: regressed
The only player who is playing at the same level or better is Reece.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Cam Cameron is very predictable with his offense similar to Hue. If we notice Hue’s offense really stunk in the second half of the games because his formations and play calling were so predictable.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:52 am
CB Bartell released!
That your guy McKenzie!
December 10th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Here we go, early start to 2013: #Raiders According to a source, Oakland has told CB Ronald Bartell he will be released today.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Ravens fire there OC, eh?
Knapp is gone for sure.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:52 am
What about McClain?
December 10th, 2012 at 8:53 am
4. I can’t agree that we have the same level of talent when we turn over 41% of the roster.
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There is a huge difference between saying we have the same talent and we have the same LEVEL of talent.
IMO we have the same LEVEL of talent.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:01 am
There is a huge difference between saying we have the same talent and we have the same LEVEL of talent.
IMO we have the same LEVEL of talent.
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I guess it is fair to see we agree to disagree. Like I said, I am not giving the coaches a pass, BUT I am not putting this debacle 100% on them either.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:02 am
The only “talent” we lost from last year that was prohibitively expensive to retain was Bush and Wimbley. Or at least we were told Bush cost too much. Anyway, all others we turned over by choice. I refuse to believe that Bush and Wimbley are the difference between a .500 team and a .230 team.
There was a major failure either in coaching, talent evaluation, or BOTH!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:03 am
The Saints got their butts whooped this weekend, and the Ravens lose & fire their OC.
Wasn’t it just a few weeks ago the Saints and the Ravens were clowning us in the second half? Running roughshod and even kickers scoring TD’s on us.
Just bringing out a yardstick to compare how low we have gone.
Also, remember that watershed “W” against Pitt, and then SD goes to their house and destroys them. Nice. So what did the Raiders do to hang their hat on, give the Falcons a fight.
But wait, they got crushed by the lowly Panthers….
December 10th, 2012 at 9:05 am
The Panthers are going to destroy Reggie’s scrubs.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Kokomo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:52 am
What about McClain?
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They’re trying to figure out a way to terminate his contract for cause to avoid the cap hit.
Bartell was only on a one-year deal. We have to pay him for the final three weeks, but that’s it.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Palmer disinterested? I wouldn’t doubt it. He realizes he is with the west coast’s Bengals. Trade him. He’s wasting away the last couple years of his career. Jets?
December 10th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Bartell, Breisel, Spencer.
How can anyone discredit Reggie’s eye for talent?
December 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am
I guess it is fair to see we agree to disagree. Like I said, I am not giving the coaches a pass, BUT I am not putting this debacle 100% on them either.
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Neither is anybody else. But when you combine Knapp’s insipid play calling with Allens failure to get the team focused and playing intensely for the entire game, it was a perfect storm for failure.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Bartell, Breisel, Spencer.
How can anyone discredit Reggie’s eye for talent?
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all low risk moves with limited upside. we all knew this going in. the focus is on rebuilding within the constraints of all the dead money floating around. once that’s gone, Reggie can begin to commit real money to players who aren’t transitional.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Hard to blame Palmer for being disinterested at this point. What’s to play for other than collecting a paycheck? This team was never close to being any good. Palmer may have wanted to believe earlier but he understands now.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:16 am
This disaster of a season is 85% on the defense. If the D were mediocre we would have been in a lot more games, maybe Palmer would have thrown those away with picks (thats the trend) but at least the team would have been competitive… Giving up 500 yards every Sunday is the reason this team is a disaster…
December 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am
643.J Hill Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Still no one fired?
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Nope.
D’Antonio and Duhon still running the show.
Kobe still not playing D.
They owe Mike Brown a public apology, lol.
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Fk Brown and D’Antoni.
WE WANTED PHIL!!!!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
The more I watch the Lakers play, the more I hate Jerry “The Short” Buss jr.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
And Phil was considering the offer when the Fakers hired D’Antoni.
LOL @ the Fakers.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
kokomo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Jason Cole from Yahoo Sports had a very interesting interview on 95.7FM. You can listen to the podcast as well. He says Palmer is playing disinterested. The players don’t respect Allen and he thinks Allen is in over his head at the moment
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He looks disinterested to me too. Walking away from the Benagals like that has always been a huge red flag to me. The guy wanted to be back in Cally and didn’t give a sht about the consequences. Like he himself said, he’s got “$80 mil in the bank”.That’s FU money. When money isn’t the motivating force, look out. If he retired tomorrow, I wouldn’t be shocked at all.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Giving up 31 points per game… wow. Chuky B looks like frigin Buddy Ryan compared to Tarver.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
The defense is now officially worse than last year’s unit. Great work, Tarver and DA.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:23 am
How is making things worse fixing things? “Our plan is to take us from mediocrity (8-8) to unwatchable (3-13), then we will be ready to be great again!”
Here’s an idea: GET BETTER EVERY DAY!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:24 am
What was being said about our D after last year? Can’t get any worse than this? Nowhere to go but up? Lmao
December 10th, 2012 at 9:25 am
If they keep up their pace of 30.9 points allowed per game, they’ll give the the fourth-most points in a single season in NFL history.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:01 am
There is a huge difference between saying we have the same talent and we have the same LEVEL of talent.
IMO we have the same LEVEL of talent.
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I guess it is fair to see we agree to disagree. Like I said, I am not giving the coaches a pass, BUT I am not putting this debacle 100% on them either.
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That’s fair. You are one of my favorite posters, and you are our cap expert (captolgist).
Just remember, I do understand and acknowledge that we lack talent.
Again, I blame the coaches, defense, and lack of talent.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Via Rotoworld and ESPN’s Bill Williamson (https://twitter.com/espn_afcwest/status/278180067148963840)
Ronald Bartell – DB – Free Agent
Raiders released CB Ronald Bartell.
Heads continue to roll in Oakland, though Bartell was actually brought in by the new regime. Signed to be a starter, Bartell ended up missing Weeks 2-9 with a neck injury, and wasn’t effective when on the field. Injuries have now limited the former Ram to just seven of a possible 29 games the past two seasons. He’ll turn 31 in February. Oakland will go forward with Michael Huff and either Joselio Hanson or Phillip Adams at cornerback.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:24 am
What was being said about our D after last year? Can’t get any worse than this? Nowhere to go but up? Lmao
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I’m one of the monkeys that said that crap. It made perfect sense at that time.
Effin Monkeys!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:29 am
#1 pick baby!
You can do it!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Man, Bartell can call it a career, after the tape he put in this season nobody will call him again…
December 10th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Damn Monkeys! LOL
December 10th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Chase for #1:
JAX
KC
OAK
Is there a franchise QB in this draft?
December 10th, 2012 at 9:33 am
694.The Big Banana Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:24 am
What was being said about our D after last year? Can’t get any worse than this? Nowhere to go but up? Lmao
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Guilty as charged.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Heres what we do know,..Reggie and Dennis BOTH returning,..Tarver?…more then likely,..Knapp?…possibly,…but make no mistake,..the Raiders are pointing the finger at the players, not the staff, for 3-13,..and they are right. Always happy to help.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Lol, Raider O.
Anyone run the numbers on Knapp’s offense prior to 4th quarter garbage time? I wouldn’t be surprised if it compared with bed and breakfast offense.
Throw in that Tarver/DA < Chuck B
This is your coaching staff, folks.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:34 am
702.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Chase for #1:
JAX
KC
OAK
Is there a franchise QB in this draft?
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We don’t need the #1 pick, but I would like to see us stay in the top 3….if we win another game we could fall all the way to #8!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Reggie will bring in a new crop of “transitional players” next season and blame the cap when they fail.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Phil Jackson would have helped the Lakers as much as he did the last time he was here. Which is not much at all. Swept outta the playoffs embarrassingly, remember?
Still no upgrade in the backcourt. Other teams look at our perimeter old arsses and LOL.
Same fantasies in Raiderland. Gruden would have gotten us maybe an extra 2 or 3 wins, lol Which means nothing but a worse draft choice.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
And Mark Davis won’t do anything about it.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:36 am
if we win another game we could fall all the way to #8!
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Well then, looks like we’ll get a top 3 pick!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Mark Davis is a disgrace.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:37 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Heres what we do know,..Reggie and Dennis BOTH returning,..Tarver?…more then likely,..Knapp?…possibly,…but make no mistake,..the Raiders are pointing the finger at the players, not the staff, for 3-13,..and they are right. Always happy to help.
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Awesome. 10 and THEN in full effect
December 10th, 2012 at 9:37 am
we need a mlb and te’o is the best avail thru fa or draft. he’s the opposite of mcclain when it comes to leadership, he’s bright, he’s stout, he plays the pass well and he plays with passion. Demontre Moore, Lotuleilei, and Werner would be great at one but with regards to a NT we’ve done well against the run considering our O doesn’t score points and if you want a DE you got a stud DE Avril who’s a FA pay him and you fill two huge needs. any of those others would be great as well though, but we’ll still have a need at MLB
December 10th, 2012 at 9:38 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/10/nfl-morning-after-cam-newton-silences-his-critics/
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Pretty obvious Florio reads our posts. He addressed it personally to several dorks (you know who you are)on here. LOL!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:38 am
fire reggie yesterday….oh now bartell isnt good enough…what a genius.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:39 am
I was getting pizzed when Mike Mayock kept referring to Branch as our best defender. I have always thought Branch was an overrated POS…..and then I started to try and think of better players on our defense….Wheeler, Bryant and Houston maybe? I think of them as average players…..smh
NO TALENT + BAD COACHING = 2012 Oakland Raiders!
The former needs to be fixed over time, the latter can be fixed in January!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:40 am
I LOVE the turnover of players who can’t play.
No doubt in my mind Knapp is outta here.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
LOL TBB!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
So if Palmer has quit on the HC like 55 apparently has, does Palmer get shown the door too?
December 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Branch is the best we got on D? man that says a lot about this roster. Depleted of talent and hope.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am
The new slogan is
“Twenty is plenty”
If we dont get it together by then…
December 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Reggie will bring in a new crop of “transitional players” next season and blame the cap when they fail.
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Or he’ll trade out the top 3 slot to get another valuable 2nd rounder out of the deal and when it all fails again, he’ll say his hands were tied because he didn’t have a second round pick to work with. There will always be some kind of excuse.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:43 am
everybody has quit on da….ive said this for four weeks already…
December 10th, 2012 at 9:43 am
708.J Hill Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Phil Jackson would have helped the Lakers as much as he did the last time he was here. Which is not much at all. Swept outta the playoffs embarrassingly, remember?
Still no upgrade in the backcourt. Other teams look at our perimeter old arsses and LOL.
Same fantasies in Raiderland. Gruden would have gotten us maybe an extra 2 or 3 wins, lol Which means nothing but a worse draft choice.
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We will never know now will we? Lot of different players on this team since Phil last coached. I know Phil didn’t win a title his last year here, he only won 5 years out of what, 10 years with the Lakers? So I guess he sucks based on his last year here?
lmao, come on man.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Good riddance, Bartell.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
” HEADS WILL ROLL”
RAIDERS are considering the firing of a coach.TWITTERS rumors are, they changes coming Qb coach and others!
Recent polls ask if Mc faden should be bench to safe from re-injuring and SAVE HIM FOR NEXT YEAR——50%
PLAY HIM AND FINISH THE YEAR? ————50%
I say play that s@b hell out of him who cares anymore!
He is always hurt and there’s plenty of backs out there.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:45 am
I never said Phil sucked.
The ROSTER sucks.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:46 am
wait there was someone on here that said bartell svcked and spencer did too….oh wait it was me in preaseason…
December 10th, 2012 at 9:48 am
I say play the best RB on the roster (Reece, 4.6 yds/att) and keep DMAC healthy so he can run a good 40 in the off-season and we can trade him in the draft.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:48 am
The HC in Oakland was supposed to win how many games this year?
Despite a roster that EVERYONE acknowledges is terrible????
Where is the example of a team in the NFL winning with bad players in key positions all over the field?
December 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am
I get a kick out of the psychics on here…
I told you so, I told you we would suck! LOL Great!
Show me where you are right once and I bet there is 50 times where you are wrong.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Habibi,
This staff managed to regress this team in all areas offense, defense, and STs.
No way this BS can last much longer. You can’t continue to lose without making changes, and you can’t blame the talent every season. WTF is our GM doing if we lack takent every year?!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Mayock kept going back to Bartell during that TFL broadcast last Thursday.
….”See there, he turns his ankle out at the line, and the receiver only needs to break inward and it’s an easy pitch and catch for 7 or 8 yards everytime.”
Mayock was practically screaming for Bartell to get benched.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Is anyone really suggesting that we don’t need a MAJOR upgrade of player talent???
Or is it as simple as replacing Knapp with Norv Turner, and Tarver with a Mike Nolan?
We win the division with Gruden and this roster as it stands?
December 10th, 2012 at 9:53 am
730.J Hill Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:48 am
The HC in Oakland was supposed to win how many games this year?
Despite a roster that EVERYONE acknowledges is terrible????
Where is the example of a team in the NFL winning with bad players in key positions all over the field?
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Lots of teams have average to bad players in the NFL….but they do not get destroyed week in and week out. If this team was losing close games, and having the normal struggles a young team goes through, and not winning, that would be one thing….but this team looks completelty confused and unmotivated in ALL aspects of the game. That is on the coaching staff.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Nah, roster sucks, thats why you need a solid coaching staff to bring out the smoke and mirrors and win some games… this coaching staff cant win with this roster.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:55 am
its as simple as getting a new staff…a staffthat kniws what they are doing a staff thatdoesnt get punked like DA…
December 10th, 2012 at 9:55 am
No way this BS can last much longer. You can’t continue to lose without making changes, and you can’t blame the talent every season
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But we haven’t been blaming the talent. We keep changing coaches.
I really don’t care “how” anymore. Just get the damn thing fixed man.
You guys think all we need is the “right” HC to get things turned around? Me too. How long does that guy get to show if he’s “right”?
December 10th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Look at Cleveland. Started off the season getting run over, now they are fighting for every game, beating turds like OAK and KC, thats a nice example of good coaching, making some lemonade from the lemons…
December 10th, 2012 at 9:55 am
During last night’s game between the Packers and Lions, they talked about Packers being the most “home grown” team with 43 original members drafted by the Packers and the Lions being the least “home grown” with 26 draftees. Then they remind us of the infamous 0-16 team and how that had something to do with it.
Well this kind of feels like the 0-16 Lions, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see the Raiders competing with the Lions for fewest homegrown talent in the league.
Drafts have sucked for awhile, free agency has been no friend. This team could use a good gutting. No name is safe.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Mayock was practically screaming for Bartell to get benched.
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…and he was benched pretty quickly. Adams definitely earned the right to start against KC.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Well said WD.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am
So Bartell goes and Slo stays ?
Didn’t see this one coming.
Guess Reggie thinks he might be able to salvage a late round pick for McLame.
He’s probably wrong.
Agree that turning the roster over is OK, but have to question some of Reggie’s methodology.
Think the Curry thing was mishandled. No, not the waiving of Curry, but the sequence involved. Pick up the cat from the Packer PS, then release him to make room for Curry, only to waive Curry 2 weeks later.
No biggie in the grand scheme of things, but makes you wonder.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:58 am
739.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Look at Cleveland. Started off the season getting run over, now they are fighting for every game, beating turds like OAK and KC, thats a nice example of good coaching, making some lemonade from the lemons…
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Shermur isn’t a rookie HC, they weren’t 40 million over the cap to start the year, and they had 4 picks before we drafted our first player. They also (believe it or not) had a top 10 defense last year.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Now we face a doormat in KC at home. What to do? This is an event where winning is losing. Does anyone in here actually looking forward to a Oakland win this week?
December 10th, 2012 at 9:58 am
If this team was losing close games, and having the normal struggles a young team goes through,
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We were in the ATl game, TB, and Clev game. Was in the Denver game for a while.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:59 am
From the freak show intro presser to the coaching hiring to the roster moves, Reggie Mac is very near “Disaster” rating…
December 10th, 2012 at 10:00 am
They aren’t trying to salvage Rolando’s career. They are trying to find a way to get out of the 7.2 million cap hit we take to get rid of McClain. At this point, it would be cheaper to keep McClain and not pay him, than to cut him.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:00 am
I actually wish Reggie kept DVD. I would like to have seen him in a make it or break it gig with everyone going down. At least we could form a real opinion on the guy.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am
could have formed*
December 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am
You guys think all we need is the “right” HC to get things turned around? Me too. How long does that guy get to show if he’s “right”?
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Did this coaching staff do anything to earn another year?
Like Dakota and MMR said, this coaching staff is not creative enough to win games, and most of our players are not playing well including players that played at a high level last season like DMC.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Fire Knapp, Hire Cam Cameron NOW!
December 10th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Cheaper to not play him I meant.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:02 am
We were in the ATl game, TB, and Clev game. Was in the Denver game for a while.
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Atlanta got waxed by lowly Carolina.
TB got beat by even lowlier Philly.
Cleveland beat up the lowliest of the low Chiefs.
Not saying much there.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I hope 55 is trying to salvage his own career. Especially is we draft Star Latuleilei and switch to the 3-4.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:04 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Fire Knapp, Hire Cam Cameron NOW!
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LOL
December 10th, 2012 at 10:04 am
guest123 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:02 am
We were in the ATl game, TB, and Clev game. Was in the Denver game for a while.
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Atlanta got waxed by lowly Carolina.
TB got beat by even lowlier Philly.
Cleveland beat up the lowliest of the low Chiefs.
Not saying much there.
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Exactly. I’m amazed at how desperate some people are to try and put a positive spin on such a crappy team.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:05 am
McClain has written the book on his career. He had the opportunity to be great here, but chose to cash his checks and run. He has been benched, fined and suspended. He better hope he can even find work next season.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
The fact iis we are one year behind behind the new teams.
We should have been like —Dolphins,Seattle,Colts ect !
WE FAIL -more Stupid mistakes. Now coaches and players will
PAY FOR THIS! RO-CLOWNDO Mc LAME!
December 10th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Did this coaching staff do anything to earn another year?
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Staff as a whole? No.
Knapp should be fired.
Let me see Pryor before I tell you if DeFilipo should go.
Dline has been pretty good against the run. Should the coach be fired because we don’t have an edge rusher?
Should the secondary coach be fired with the personnel he’s had to work with?
I’m not firing everybody. Cmon!
December 10th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Not saying much there.
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Exactly. I’m amazed at how desperate some people are to try and put a positive spin on such a crappy team.
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Relax.
It was a direct response to the POINT that we have been IN some games.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:09 am
If the D keeps giving up 30.9 points per game it will be the 4th worst D in history! an edge rusher wont fix getting out schemed and blown to hell every frigging 3rd quarter.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:09 am
You want to see a team that has quit… look to Arizona. They have quit. Getting shellacked 58-0 is all you need to see to know that.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:15 am
There’s NOTHING positive I’ve seen from this team that’s going to make me renew my season tickets next year. I’ll wait until the draft and see what moves have been made in off season before I decide to.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:15 am
The owner of the Cardinals should fire Whisenhunt and cut a few guys right now just to make a statement. That was embarrasing to watch. They have an uberstud wideout Fitzgerald and he has one target, for one catch and two yards. Yet they throw to their CB Patrick Peterson who outgained Fitz on the day. That team is not good, but beyond that quit in every way imaginable.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am
And people will want to bring Wisenhunt in as an OC.
Why is he any different of a loser than Knapp?
December 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am
kokomo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:15 am
There’s NOTHING positive I’ve seen from this team that’s going to make me renew my season tickets next year. I’ll wait until the draft and see what moves have been made in off season before I decide to.
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check out Charlie Brown’s thanksgiving special. First scene where Charlie Brown is attempting to kick a football and Lucy is holding.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am
My XMas wishes: Fire Knapp and the ST coordinator – Hoffman and a few other assistant coaches. Get a creative OC and not one who runs a ZBS. Maybe Norv or Saunders. Cut McClain, Seymour, Kelly. Cut Palmer unless he reduces his salary to around $7-8M.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
what was the DA led score against baltimore?
December 10th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Jason Garrett?????
He sucks in Dallas, why would we want him here as an OC??
Any guy who is available will be someone who got fired for stinking up his previous job, lol.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:19 am
I hope 55 is trying to salvage his own career. Especially is we draft Star Latuleilei and switch to the 3-4.
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Yeah, sure.
To begin with, Slo is done in Oakland.
Even if Tits goes – if RM is still GM – Slo is finished in Oakland.
Did you read RM’s interview where he specifically mentioned that Slo has NOT apologized for his bahavior ?
Guess what ? Even if the HC is a worthless chump, you can not have players challenging his authority or trying to face him down or have an altercation with him.
Especially when you’re a non-productive, whiffing, jogging, attitude problem scumbucket.
McLame SHOULD have been released IMMEDIATELY after the latest debacle. Money be damned.
He’s not going to do anything in a 3-4 or with another team. Ever.
As I told JFB (hope you’re OK bud), out of the NFL by 2014.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:20 am
what was the DA led score against baltimore?
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About the same as the Hue led loss against GB
December 10th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I find it interesting that a 9-2 Ravens team fires their OC becuase the offense is not living up to their standards. But a 3-10 Raiders team is going to keep their OC becuase……..??
Winning franchises make changes when they are not going in the right direction. Losing franchises make excuses and hold on to coaches (DA, Tarver, Knapp) that say everything right at the press conferences and then fail to perform on the field.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:21 am
OC, how about Al Saunders? heck they are already paying his salary. Made wonders for DMAC and journeyman Priest Holmes in KC.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:21 am
How about just avoiding all Alabama players in the draft? I just get bad vibes.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Yeah, sure.
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LOL
December 10th, 2012 at 10:21 am
has nothing to do with hue…talking az and oak…
December 10th, 2012 at 10:22 am
99,
With no franchise QB available, what position are you leaning towards supporting with our 1st pick?
December 10th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Even Alabama Olinemen?
December 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Saunders original contract was up to 2012. The team extended it by a year to 2013. Why not make him the OC? He will use a power scheme and has a good record of offensive success unlike Knapp. Also there should be a reason why they extended his contract by a year..
December 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am
if no QB available look for a DT. Defenses have been made with the likes of Casey Hampton, Ngata, & Wilford…no need for a sack master DT, just a mean ol anchor in the middle.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:25 am
The only thing i care about at all,as of this moment is HOW MANY SNAPS DOES TERREL PRYOR GET THIS WEEK?
After carsons 6 game meltdown there is not a single reason for any sane person to be even a little excited to watch him play.
he has been uneven at his best during this streak in atl and the tb game, and down right abysmal in the other four losses.
After watching wilson, and grIII, and newton this weekend, and even kappy across the water, this staff is getting a really ugly grade for how they are handling our young qb.
Why did you wait so long to get pryor ready to see the field?
Why did you ride with carson all the way through the losing streak?
Why did bartell and denarious moore, and romac get benched or demoted at various points for so called performance issues, yet carson was allowed to throw away and fumble game after game?
I dont think playing pryor for a gimmick series or package will be a fair opportunity to see what he can do. Knapp will probably call for a zone read with no pass option. the defense will see pryor and expect run because he is only on the filed for a play or two.
The smart thing to do would be to prep Pryor TO START these last 3 games. By putting him in the game in a situation where the defense can easily predict whats coming takes away the very advantage that playing pryor gives you in the first place.
This staff is clueless
December 10th, 2012 at 10:26 am
J Hill Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Even Alabama Olinemen?
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I guess we could make exceptions, but only if the value screams. McPain really ruined the image of Alabama players in my mind. Kind of how I’ll instictivley look at LSU QB’s. Maybe we can trade for Matt Flynn? Naw j/k
December 10th, 2012 at 10:27 am
The only thing i care about at all,as of this moment is HOW MANY SNAPS DOES TERREL PRYOR GET THIS WEEK?
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quick easy answer: zero
happy to help
December 10th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Waste o space Bartell wooosh
December 10th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
“OAKLAND CAN’T WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR!
They must act now, we have a big mess in our hands and what is the sence of all this. We need to move fast and start deciding who is going to be staying and who is WALKING THE PLANK !
Before you know ,the year is over and we still done nothing !
Al was so quick! BLESS HIM!
December 10th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Np room in the nfl for pryor as a starting qb?
why not?
christian ponder has started for now nearly two full seasons. Ponder has thrown for under 150 yrads 5 times this season.
If ponder can have a turn starting for nfl team pryor should also
December 10th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Stay away from Alabama players? nah, I say stay away from imbeciles that think the SEC football is as fast as the NFL , that is a pretty obvious red flag.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:31 am
nice strawman. If ponder can, why can’t pryor?
and if my aunt had balls….
December 10th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Huge preseason red flag was signing two 30 yo corners on their last legs to be the STARTING CB’s for this team. There is no way that could be considered a move a playoffs aspiting team would do.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:36 am
766.J Hill Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am
And people will want to bring Wisenhunt in as an OC.
Why is he any different of a loser than Knapp?
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Wisenhunt was a play away from a Super Bowl victory. Knapp doesn’t have anything close on his resume.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Dont look now, BUT CAM NEWTON IS BACK!!! this dude is on fire for the last 4 weeks, and looks better than he did last year.
he is now allowed to go under center and has full use of the audible system.
The oc chudzinzki has finally learned that relying too heavily on newton running and not having a solid quick passing facet to his offense is in fact holding newton back. the zone read keeper should only be an occasional accent.
newton destroyed the falcons.
You are looking at the future of the nfc playoffs for the next several years with qbs like newton freeman kappy rgIII and wilson battling it out and eliminating one another for the next 10 years.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Why did bartell and denarious moore, and romac get benched or demoted at various points for so called performance issues, yet carson was allowed to throw away and fumble game after game?
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Since you truly seem to believe that Palmer is the #1 problem on this team, tell me exactly how many games would this team, exactly how it is, have won with Pryor starting and Palmer riding the pine? Just guestimate. Do you think this team would have won more, less or the same # of games.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:38 am
OWINGS MILLS, Md. (AP) — Cam Cameron has been fired as offensive coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens, who have lost two straight and are still striving for consistency in the running and passing game.
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This is what a team that cares about winning does. Doesn’t matter what part of the season it is. Do your job or get the hell out.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am
what now chekwa is good enough? mcclain is back? lmao at this staff…
December 10th, 2012 at 10:52 am
J Hill Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:22 am
99,
With no franchise QB available, what position are you leaning towards supporting with our 1st pick?
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Well, I’m NOT one of those guys that subscribes to ‘best player available’ at ALL times.
I think there are times when you DO draft to fill needs, especially when the call between two players is very close.
But with THIS team – BPA is the ONLY way to go.
That’s bcz there’s not a single area (besides PK) that is solid.
Having said that, it’s my belief that we can make strides on offense simply by replacing Krapp and that a total rebuild is not required on that side of the ball.
Defensively, we need at least a half dozen new starters.
Therefore, I would think this draft should emphasize defense.
If there was a franchise QB available – I’d still go in that direction in a heartbeat.
Don’t care how many holes there are to fill. Palmer definitely isn’t long term and if you want to be a legit contender you’ve got to have the QB.
I’m not absolutely convinced that Geno can’t be a franchise QB, but I have strong reservations about him.
Seems like the 2013 draft should be a ‘get an impact player’ and ‘hole filling’ exercise – and securing the franchise QB might have to wait until we are drafting near the top in 2014 again.
That’s a reasonable 2 year plan and one that could work.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:52 am
I’ve been a fan since 1990 and have witnessed 7 winning seasons in 22 years…thats tough for anyone. At least some of you veteran fans have lived through the glory years of the Raiders, while all I have is pretty much the Gruden era.
“With that said, when the hell does anyone just say,”ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!?!?”
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I was thinking about this yesterday as I read comments here. My exact thought was, “At least I witnessed one of the greatest franchises in football history when they were almost always great or very good.”
I attended Raider games at the Coliseum in the Sixties until they left. We had agonizing seasons, don’t misunderstand me. For a team that made the playoffs as regularly as we did (and, mostly, as easily as we did, we also had to face top notch and perennial enemies in the Buck Buchanan/Len Dawson Chiefs and the great Steeler teams, the Jets, to a lesser degree. The
After the AFL-NFL merger, there were always some teams that didn’t let us make it to the SB and previous to the merger, there were stellar opponents for the AFL championship, but yesterday I was thinking how spoiled my family and I had grown all those glory years.
As I read comments about our receivers dropping balls, I thought of Raymond Chester, Dave Caspar, and more than anyone, Freddy (and his stickum). They didn’t drop passes, guy. They may have failed to catch a pass now and then because it wasn’t thrown on time or anywhere near them, but they didn’t drop passes. I recall the frustration of watching a wide open Cliff Branch look like an little girl trying to catch a ball thrown her way, but lo and behold, he learned to catch them.
Then, I read comments about our pitiful O-line. Admittedly, Raider fans way back were incredibly spoiled. Lamonica did get sacked a lot when he reached the important playoff games, and he was forever hurting his hand in those playoff games, hitting it on the helmet of an incoming Chief’s pass rusher, but for the entire of the regular season, he had all day to pass (and he took forever to go back with his 7 step drop and he didn’t have a quick release), yet our line did all they could to protect him. And Stabler? All day. He stood there flat-footed and simply looked until a receiver came open and our O-line made him this little nest he could stay in almost forever.
Back to the receivers…I remember when Raider receivers actually came_back_to_the_ball, to the qb when Stabler couldn’t hit them on their regular route. How often do we see our receivers actually do that today?
So, yeah, I was spoiled, and I do feel bad for those of you who never saw that. Of course, that means you are much younger than I so you have youth!
Here’s my belief: we are still being made to endure the the curse of LA which was place on Al Davis and his Raiders for their move south and their betrayal of fans who never did anything but show huge support.
Yes, there were some winning years, even a SB year in LA, but it came at a high price. Not only did the curse see to it that the team would endure more losing seasons, it saw to it that it would be cursed with an unsavory stench that attached itself to it, with gangs and low-lifes attached to our image instead of simply tough football players. We didn’t just begin losing games and enduring losing seasons, we lost respect.
Not all curses are forever, however. (Find a Sicilian grandmother for more info). Nevertheless, we never know for how long the curse was placed.
Until then, we endure.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Washington developed an offense catered to RG3’s strengths as a player. DA is far to unprepared to do the same for Pryor. DA has no innovation. The guy is NOT HC material.
Former players and commentators are even acknowledging this proven fact. Wasting another year with DA would be moronic and a disaster.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Raiders should begin to bring group of players and make tryouts
In the Raiders fascility and get the best of the best from every position. Get new ones every week and face those from other weeks until the Best 3 man of each position are left
Bring 3 man from the NFL of those positions and let those compete. Gather players from all states and practice squads ,free agents,etc.
NOW NOT THE END OF THE YEAR. Were there is competition There’s quality!
C’ mon Man!
December 10th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
REGGIE —- should be looking at FILM now with a bag of POPCORN and 4 MILKSHAKES and a Pillow.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Mark Davis is playing Darts in his office with a 50 piece Mc Nugget box. The Dartboard has the Faces of the Coaches, some
Have players too!
December 10th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Oakland should get DEFENSE – from Teams that have proven Defenses like-Asst. Coach of PITTSBURGH,RAVENS,BEARS,DOLPHINS, GIANTS etc
Offense what better than OFF-CO AL SAUNDERS
Hey DUDES – GRUDEN was an. Assistant coach from PHILLY!
December 10th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Didn’t Hue get hired over Woodson as DB Coach for Bengals? LOL!
December 10th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
S. Payton was also High on AL’s List as HC also prior to him going to the Saints! Trust and Believe That!