Lechler looking toward the future, uncertain what it holds
By Steve Corkran
Monday, December 10th, 2012 at 2:45 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Punter Shane Lechler and kicker Sebastian Janikowski are the only two players on the Raiders 53-man roster that experienced a winning season with this team. This season marks Lechler’s 13th season, and it just might be his final one in a Raiders uniform.
Lechler is in the final year of the four-year contract he signed in 2009 that made him the highest-paid punter in NFL history. It remains to be seen whether he will be back for a 14th season.
“Oh, yeah, I’ve thought about it, had long discussions with my wife about it,” Lechler said Monday. “It’s one of those things where you don’t have any control over it and it’s kind of frustrating. But, in the same sense, it’s exciting and frustrating at the same time, if it can be that. That’s what it is. Just a lot of long conversations with the wife, we’ve got kids in school now, so we need to figure out something and go from there.”
Lechler said he had high hopes for this season, given the Raiders finished 8-8 each of the past two seasons and came one win away from winning the AFC West last season.
He joined the Raiders as a fifth-round pick out of Texas A&M in 2000, at a time when the Raiders were just taking off under then-coach Jon Gruden.
The Raiders qualified for the AFC Playoffs in each of Lechler’s first three seasons, culminating with a Super Bowl appearance under coach Bill Callahan in 2002.
“I wish that would have happened a little bit later in my career so I wouldn’t have taken it so much for granted,” Lechler said. “We walk right into this thing and go to the AFC Championship Game. I thought that was how it was going to be. Didn’t quite turn out that way.”
No, it didn’t. As it turned out, the Raiders went 4-12 in Lechler’s fourth season and haven’t had a winning season in any of the past 10. They are 3-10 right now.
Through it all, Lechler was the one consistent bright spot for the Raiders, racking up Pro Bowl and All-Pro selections seemingly every season.
This season, Lechler is 10th in gross punting average and 21st in net punting average. Part of that owes to Lechler being bothered by a knee injury that required surgery just before training camp started — he said he didn’t feel 100 percent healthy until midway through this season.
Lechler is playing for his eighth head coach this year. He said it’s imperative the Raiders stick with Dennis Allen and give Allen a chance to turn around the Raiders.
“Though it may not look like it in our record and what’s happened on Sundays, this place is headed in the right direction,” Lechler said.
And Allen is the one of the primary reasons the Raiders are headed in the proper direction, Lechler said.
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said. “He’s got my full support. Somewhere in here, we’re going to have to let a guy coach for a few years to figure out. It’s not much different than the college football. You give a guy four years, let him recruit players, let him develop his players and see how they are then, instead of change and change and change. But this is Oakland.”
General manager Reggie McKenzie and owner Mark Davis haven’t tipped their hand on how they intend to proceed with Lechler.
Well, that is, unless you count the decision to place undrafted rookie punter Marquette King on season-ending reserve.
“Yeah, I don’t know that I’ve ever seen it happen before,” Lechler said.
That’s the kind of move that means one of two things: The Raiders intend to let Lechler walk after this season, or they are keeping King on ice in case Lechler opts to sign elsewhere.
“I’m not real worried about it,” Lechler said. “If that’s the direction they choose to go, they choose to go. I don’t have any doubt in his ability. He needs some time.
“It was frustrating for a little while because this is my job, and it has been mine for 13 years. You can feel how you want to about it. I took it a little bit personal early but after that I was like, ‘You know what? I can only worry about so many things around here.’ So, that was one of them that I needed to stop worrying about.”
Long-snapper Jon Condo called Lechler a leader in the locker room and on the field, the kind of guy whose value transcends all the Pro Bowl and All-Pro selections.
Lechler, Condo and kicker Sebastian Janikowski arguably are the best specialists trio in the league.
“I’ve seen punters along the way that can boom a punt 67 yards, but their next might be 20, 30 yards,” Condo said. “He’s always consistent, he’s always there. Just his presence in the locker room and on the field, it’s big for our team. I know with Bass, it’s a safety net for him, it’s a safety net for me, when the three of us are together.
“We all have faith and trust in one another, and that’s a big thing in specialists when you’re out there kicking a field goal or punting a ball from the back of your end zone. Without trust in the guy you’re working with, that’s one thing that has helped out me a lot is having faith and trust. Also, there’s a comfort level. Anytime those guys are on the field you feel comfortable. If you’re comfortable, you’re going to play a lot better.”
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December 10th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
For the record people that complain about hue being fired, should understand, that hue could not have saved palmer.
palmer is actually playing much much better football in knapps offens then he did in hu jack/ suanders system.
he threw a ton of picks last year and has at least cut those down.
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
December 10th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Quote of the week:
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said. “He’s got my full support. Somewhere in here, we’re going to have to let a guy coach for a few years to figure out. It’s not much different than the college football. You give a guy four years, let him recruit players, let him develop his players and see how they are then, instead of change and change and change. But this is Oakland.”
DA deserves more time.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
168.RaidingTexas Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Dakota Says:
See #138.
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OK, so the population of quarterbacks is …. wait for it ….. ONE. Randall Cunningham. That’s not much of a sample to draw conclusions from.
But anyway, he played until he was 38.
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I pointed you to that post to show that I took back my Tarkenton comment. He was not a running QB.
And I have pointed to Cunningham as one of the few run orientated QBs to make a career into his mid to late 30s….which is my point, these QBs are not going to last much past 32 years old. They are being asked to take the beating of a QB and of a backup RB.
If they can adapt and become great pocket passing QBs then maybe they will have a chance to have long careers.
Only time will tell.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Activate the whole Practice squad.
Everyone young guy must play.
Start Pryor
December 10th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
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Lol! Is that why DHB enjoyed the best production of his career with Palmer and Hue?
Hue, whom you claimed you were in lockstep with, seemed to think Palmer was a great fit for the vertical game. Best trade in football? Giving up a 1st and 2nd? Lol! No offense, but I’ll believe Hue over you on this one. Lol
December 10th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Lechler has always been a class act. It’s too bad that he has played for crappy teams most of his career. His support for DA is worth noting.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
2.RaiderDuck Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Quote of the week:
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said. “He’s got my full support. Somewhere in here, we’re going to have to let a guy coach for a few years to figure out. It’s not much different than the college football. You give a guy four years, let him recruit players, let him develop his players and see how they are then, instead of change and change and change. But this is Oakland.”
DA deserves more time.
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DA can stay so long as he changes the rest of his coaching staff.
Totally unprepared team week in and week out.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
what is a “run oriented qb”?!?!?
December 10th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Twocents Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Lechler has always been a class act. It’s too bad that he has played for crappy teams most of his career. His support for DA is worth noting.
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The fact that Lechler is being portrayed as a leader demonstrates just how lacking leadership is with this team.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
I think that the NFL should allow teams that are eliminated from play-off contention to activate all 53 players on their roster on game day.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
If for more time with DA as long as Knapp, Pollack & Hoffman go at the end of the season. If DA is not smart enough to know where his coaching weaknesses lie then he’s not smart enough to run this team. If he’s not man enough to fire some friends then he’s not the man for the job.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
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Lol! Is that why DHB enjoyed the best production of his career with Palmer and Hue?
Hue, whom you claimed you were in lockstep with, seemed to think Palmer was a great fit for the vertical game. Best trade in football? Giving up a 1st and 2nd? Lol! No offense, but I’ll believe Hue over you on this one. Lol
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hue miscalculated
palmer threw 16 picks in 9 games
now he has 14 picks he is better in knapps offense
December 10th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said…
DA deserves more time.
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This is a business, what do you expect Lechler to say? Fire DA?
Cable & Hue did a better job than DA of preparing the team to be competitive, with scholarship players and an owner designing the defense.
This coaching staff is not cutting it…
December 10th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Quote of the week:
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said. “He’s got my full support. Somewhere in here, we’re going to have to let a guy coach for a few years to figure out. It’s not much different than the college football. You give a guy four years, let him recruit players, let him develop his players and see how they are then, instead of change and change and change. But this is Oakland.”
DA deserves more time.
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He said the same thing about Hue Jackson.. b4 that he said it about Tom Cable.
That doesnt mean DA will be a decent coach
December 10th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Mike mitchell had his best game as a pro vs the donkeys.
There has to be a way to give this man a start for the rest of the year. he was beyond solid on special teams and on defense he stood out with a sack and tfl
December 10th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
The “Myth of Hue” now playing. It is all speculation unless you guys can actually can see into an alternate universe.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Anyone think Norv Turner would be open to return as next year’s OC? He has a good track record as OC. We’ve done worse X10 with Knapp.
KNAPP MUST GO!
POLLACK MUST GO!
HOFFMAN MUST GO!
December 10th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Let him go. He’s been avg the last couple years and his crazy salary sorry attitude is not good for the team. Seabass can go to – too many good kickers out there for 1/3 what he makes.
Jason Cole on 957thegame saying Raiders need to move on from Dennis Allen – the players have no respect for him and that Palmer looks like he doesn’t care – I couldn’t agree more on both points. Hopefully Reggie and Mark are listening.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
it should also be noted that Lechler wanted Cable back and said many players would not be back if Cable wasn’t hired back
December 10th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
#8 that would be a Teblow. Run run run.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
“palmer is actually playing much much better football in knapps offens then he did in hu jack/ suanders system.”
The desperation stinks in your post but not as much as your attitude.
You are a pathetic old man desperately trying to find other Palmer haters so you can rub each other the wrong way together.
Get a life!
December 10th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
you can no longer simply bblame the offense on knapp’s play calling, because palmer is now calling much of the offense at the los.
It has been underwhelming to say the least.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
yawn
December 10th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Why is no one saying Tarver should go too?
December 10th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
“palmer is actually playing much much better football in knapps offens then he did in hu jack/ suanders system.”
The desperation stinks in your post but not as much as your attitude.
You are a pathetic old man desperately trying to find other Palmer haters so you can rub each other the wrong way together.
Get a life!
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you have a problem admitting that palmer is playing better football this year than he did last year?
why?
December 10th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said. “He’s got my full support. Somewhere in here, we’re going to have to let a guy coach for a few years to figure out. It’s not much different than the college football. You give a guy four years, let him recruit players, let him develop his players and see how they are then, instead of change and change and change. But this is Oakland.”
Of course he is going to say that…. No way he believes it.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Actually Silverandblack666 you are the one who needs a life because you actually have emotions invested in a forum comments section. that is the definition of loozuh. The magnitude of your inferiority in life is staggering.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
pryor needs to play, but so should leinert. gannon was in his 12th year when he came to the raiders leinert is in his 6th. palmer isn’t winning a superbowl, let’s see what else we got
December 10th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Leinhart already had his chance. TP needs his first.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Was Tarver supposed to conjure up a pass rush out of this group? Was he supposed to turn our CBs into all-pros?
December 10th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
My person in the building told me Allen for sure returning, in no way being canned. Said Knapp and Tarver are not in trouble either. Reggie needs to replace at least half the roster,..let these guys coach, see how that turns out. Gruden not coming back so thats that,…only way I want Allen gone is for Jon to return,..not happnin,..so I think keep the staff together and get real players, not these losers.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Lechler is going to be a free agent, he can speak his mind.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
inonewordraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
pryor needs to play, but so should leinert. gannon was in his 12th year when he came to the raiders leinert is in his 6th. palmer isn’t winning a superbowl, let’s see what else we got
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why would lienart “need to play”?
he isnt under consideration for qb of the future or heir apparent.
That is the reason for playing pryor though
December 10th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Pryor isnt a QB,..and in less then a month not a Raider.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
For the record people that complain about hue being fired, should understand, that hue could not have saved palmer.
palmer is actually playing much much better football in knapps offens then he did in hu jack/ suanders system.
he threw a ton of picks last year and has at least cut those down.
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
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Nah, I don’t buy that one. Last years offense was better in every category.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Relentless Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Leinhart already had his chance. TP needs his first.
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when he got his chance last year, albeit briefly, he was good. i repeat gannon was in his 12th year when he got to the raiders. is tp the more exciting possibility? absolutely, but let’s see what we got
December 10th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
For the record people that complain about hue being fired, should understand, that hue could not have saved palmer.
palmer is actually playing much much better football in knapps offens then he did in hu jack/ suanders system.
he threw a ton of picks last year and has at least cut those down.
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
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dumbest….poster….ever
December 10th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
FIRE REGGIE.
Keep LECHLER.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
All season I´ve been against playing Pryor. I’ve changed my mind. We are not winning another game. Lets see what we’ve got, play everybody, Adams was a nice surprise, lets hope we find another one.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
what is a “run oriented qb”?!?!?
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a black guy. LOL. just kidding knit wit. don’t start getting all “white supremacist” on me.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
“Nah, I don’t buy that one. Last years offense was better in every category.”
Have to agree with KK here
December 10th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said. “He’s got my full support. Somewhere in here, we’re going to have to let a guy coach for a few years to figure out. It’s not much different than the college football. You give a guy four years, let him recruit players, let him develop his players and see how they are then, instead of change and change and change. But this is Oakland.”
Of course he is going to say that…. No way he believes it.
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Maybe he is saying that because changing coaches over and over again…HASN’T WORKED WHILE HE’S BEEN HERE???
HELLO! LOL
December 10th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
“dumbest….poster….ever”
I have to agree with Dr Robert here….
December 10th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
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Lol! Is that why DHB enjoyed the best production of his career with Palmer and Hue?
Hue, whom you claimed you were in lockstep with, seemed to think Palmer was a great fit for the vertical game. Best trade in football? Giving up a 1st and 2nd? Lol! No offense, but I’ll believe Hue over you on this one. Lol
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hue miscalculated
palmer threw 16 picks in 9 games
now he has 14 picks he is better in knapps offense
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could last season have to do with coming in off the couch and trying to learn the system and receivers on the fly?
u really are a dummy.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Dr. Thompson, change your name. You are but a pimple on the ass of Hunter S. Thompson.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Tarver has this thing headed in the right direction, we should get a top 3 draft pick.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
what is a “run oriented qb”?!?!?
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a black guy. LOL. just kidding knit wit. don’t start getting all “white supremacist” on me.
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i dont have to you did it on your own cross poster
December 10th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
u really are a dummy.
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And, you’re a know it all pootbutt piece of schit.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
My person in the building told me Allen for sure returning, in no way being canned. Said Knapp and Tarver are not in trouble either. Reggie needs to replace at least half the roster,..let these guys coach, see how that turns out. Gruden not coming back so thats that,…only way I want Allen gone is for Jon to return,..not happnin,..so I think keep the staff together and get real players, not these losers.
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the janitor told u all that?
December 10th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
why would lienart “need to play”?
he isnt under consideration for qb of the future or heir apparent.
That is the reason for playing pryor though
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he deserves a shot same way pryor does. he looked good in preseason he looked good for the texans last season. pryor excelling would be the best scenario but if he doesn’t and leinert can at least match palmer than we have a much more inexpensive option in Leinert.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
A know it all pootbutt keyboard gangsta
December 10th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Twocents Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Dr. Thompson, change your name. You are but a pimple on the ass of Hunter S. Thompson.
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and giving us doctors a bad name.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Dakota Says:
And I have pointed to Cunningham as one of the few run orientated QBs to make a career into his mid to late 30s….
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And all I’m trying to figure out is which run-oriented QBs did not make it into their mid to late 30s. I haven’t seen that list yet. I don’t think there are any.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
No Robert,..Priest isnt my source.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
what is a “run oriented qb”?!?!?
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a black guy. LOL. just kidding knit wit. don’t start getting all “white supremacist” on me.
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i dont have to you did it on your own cross poster
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LOL. u tell him ur joking and he still can’t handle it. what a maroon (bugs bunny).
i love the crossposter stuff. who exactly are my other handles, bright one?
December 10th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
“the janitor told u all that?”….and all you had to do was go down on him?
December 10th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Quote of the week:
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said. “He’s got my full support. Somewhere in here, we’re going to have to let a guy coach for a few years to figure out. It’s not much different than the college football. You give a guy four years, let him recruit players, let him develop his players and see how they are then, instead of change and change and change. But this is Oakland.”
DA deserves more time.
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He said the same thing about Hue Jackson.. b4 that he said it about Tom Cable.
That doesnt mean DA will be a decent coach
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I mean can you say he was wrong about either one? No, cus neither was given extra time.
Why did Cable’s team get better? Cus he got a good offensive coordinator. Why did Hue lose some games that the offense did great in? Cus the defensive coordinator sucked. Maybe DA needs time with Reggie to build THEIR team but the first step would to give DA a chance with better coordinators. He didn’t exactly have great choices left when putting together a staff. I’m just being Devil’s advocate and trying to make sense out of what Lechler is saying. He might just be sticking up for a fellow Aggie. I don’t know.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
No Robert,..Priest isnt my source.
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LOL. but he once stood next to a real life raider. and kell went to a practice once.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
u really are a dummy.
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And, you’re a know it all pootbutt piece of schit.
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well, u got the know-it-all part right. thank you.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
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Lol! Is that why DHB enjoyed the best production of his career with Palmer and Hue?
Hue, whom you claimed you were in lockstep with, seemed to think Palmer was a great fit for the vertical game. Best trade in football? Giving up a 1st and 2nd? Lol! No offense, but I’ll believe Hue over you on this one. Lol
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hue miscalculated
palmer threw 16 picks in 9 games
now he has 14 picks he is better in knapps offense
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Impossible to compare the two seasons. One was jumping straight off of his couch, the other was with a full training camp. I think its safe to say that given those circumstances, Palmer would have had a better season than last years no matter who was running the show.
I wanna see Pryor play too, man. But we dont have to drag Palmer down as a man just to build Pryor up. We dont have to compare Palmer to Russell when we know good and well theres no comparison there. We dont have to keep bringing up Palmers win loss record, because this isnt baseball, wins and losses go on the whole team, not one man.
Fact is, Palmer has been by far our most productive player this season. That may be a hard pill to swallow, because it actually is pretty sad, given that he hasnt had an all-pro season, but its the truth. He has been our most productive offensive player this season. I understand we are bad, I understand wanting to see what Pryor can do. I want to see that too. But what I cant understand is constantly bashing the one player who has put the team on his back this season, hasnt complained or given up despite the garbage coaching and playcalling, and continues to play hard every week.
Ive been around long enough to see some horrible Raiders QB’s. CP isnt even close to being on that list.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
If Lechler doesnt know or think he will be a Raider next season, OF COURSE he will say that DA is the right man for the job. He wants to give his next team as much of an advantage as possible.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
The thought of Knapp being around next year makes me nauseous.
I believe in stabilty but I also believe in the ability to admit when you were wrong. Reg has no problem jettisoning players that he picked out…I would hope he feels the same way about the coach he picked..as well as the coaches that DA picked.
I wouldnt mind Mark showing some of his old mans moxie and making some heads roll. The apple doesnt fall THAT far from the tree.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Pffft. He’s a punter. Big deal.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
the only run oriented qbs i know of that played nfl qb are bobby douglass and tim tebow
December 10th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
interesting developments on the raiders depth chart (they are notoriously slow to make changes, so any changes are meaningful.
hagan is now listed behind streater and criner (duh, but it’s official)
stewart is now listed in front of jones (not promising for jones-he may be converted to cb after all)
in one week, olawale, a reece clone, beat out schmitt
still only 5 LB’s on chart, not including mcclain, who i expect to be inactive the rest of the year
adams now listed as starting CB. chekwa immediately moved in front of franzies. ross listed as FS.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
also, stewart is listed as 3rd kick returner instead of jones.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
the only run oriented qbs i know of that played nfl qb are bobby douglass and tim tebow
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uh, michael vick.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Its been a rough year but Im used to it…looking forward to seeing Reg on the sidelines again for KC game,..we ending the year going to the game in San Diego…then forget about the Raiders for about six months. I know hundreds of season tix holders who didnt go to the Bronco game,…and will not renew next year,..I already paid my money for 2013,…but I told my rep the team will be hard to market for next year,..but hey RG3 is coming to Oakland,…maybe that will be out one prime time game?…cool.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
You know that when your ‘locker room leader” is your punter and your “on the field leader” is also your punter, this team is full of cash checking a@#holes. they all need to be cut and or pushed off the Bay Bridge with blocks tied to there feet.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Its been a rough year but Im used to it…looking forward to seeing Reg on the sidelines again for KC game,..we ending the year going to the game in San Diego…then forget about the Raiders for about six months. I know hundreds of season tix holders who didnt go to the Bronco game,…and will not renew next year,..I already paid my money for 2013,…but I told my rep the team will be hard to market for next year,..but hey RG3 is coming to Oakland,…maybe that will be out one prime time game?…cool.
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if griffin is healthy for the raiders game (iffy), missdick could explode from excitement. he may jerk off 5 times a day that week.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
This team is significantly worse than last year in EVERY WAY….with ZERO progression. Theres gonna be a lot of empty seats next year without some coaching changes. I think Mark knows that. He will let Reg make all the moves…but Marks opinion is def being heard.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
TEN AND THEN!
December 10th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
lechler seems to think keeping king around was a sign. so, we will have a black punter next season! he is the “punting wave of the future”! this kid gives us so many options when he’s lined up to punt. he’s always a threat to run, unlike lechler, who was only a threat to throw.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
by the way i think pacquiao just got up off the canvas
December 10th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Really nice fight between Maquez and Manny. Heck I’d like to see a 5th one.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
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Lol! Is that why DHB enjoyed the best production of his career with Palmer and Hue?
Hue, whom you claimed you were in lockstep with, seemed to think Palmer was a great fit for the vertical game. Best trade in football? Giving up a 1st and 2nd? Lol! No offense, but I’ll believe Hue over you on this one. Lol
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hue miscalculated
palmer threw 16 picks in 9 games
now he has 14 picks he is better in knapps offense
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Impossible to compare the two seasons. One was jumping straight off of his couch, the other was with a full training camp. I think its safe to say that given those circumstances, Palmer would have had a better season than last years no matter who was running the show.
I wanna see Pryor play too, man. But we dont have to drag Palmer down as a man just to build Pryor up. We dont have to compare Palmer to Russell when we know good and well theres no comparison there. We dont have to keep bringing up Palmers win loss record, because this isnt baseball, wins and losses go on the whole team, not one man.
Fact is, Palmer has been by far our most productive player this season. That may be a hard pill to swallow, because it actually is pretty sad, given that he hasnt had an all-pro season, but its the truth. He has been our most productive offensive player this season. I understand we are bad, I understand wanting to see what Pryor can do. I want to see that too. But what I cant understand is constantly bashing the one player who has put the team on his back this season, hasnt complained or given up despite the garbage coaching and playcalling, and continues to play hard every week.
Ive been around long enough to see some horrible Raiders QB’s. CP isnt even close to being on that list.
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i think the comparisons are fair that is how all qbs are measured and compared with their peers.
fair or unfair that is usually the way it is done.
Looking at wins and losses and turn over to td is common.
the truth is carson has been a bad qb in oakland, and there simply is no way to separate his 37 turn overs from his weak win loss record here.
In every year for nfl qbs turn overs and losses count against them, why should it be different for palmer?
This is also what teams do when looking at evaluating qbs they consider turn over to td and wins and losses
December 10th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Last year Tebow won more games than Newton. No one of this green earth (save for Mistic1) thought Tebow was a better QB than Cam.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
My person in the building told me Allen for sure returning, in no way being canned. Said Knapp and Tarver are not in trouble either. Reggie needs to replace at least half the roster,..let these guys coach, see how that turns out. Gruden not coming back so thats that,…only way I want Allen gone is for Jon to return,..not happnin,..so I think keep the staff together and get real players, not these losers
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You don’t think you’re getting any “Smoke Screen” action?
December 10th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Wins-losses, tds-ints
Tebow: 7-4, 12-6
Cam: 6-10, 21-17
better win%, better td-int%, so there you go…
December 10th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: some players are disgusted that the Raiders would even reinstate Ronaldo after what he said on Facebook.
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Raiders will try and get McClain on the field so maybe get his value up, They will try to trade McClain after the season
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: Raiders will not let Ronaldo in the building until he meets with Dennis Allen
this guy gets his news from priemum .. from another raiders website
December 10th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Totally unprepared team week in and week out.
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The team is not unprepared week in and week out. As anyone who breaks this team down knows, they just don’t make enough plays. Here’s an example from the last game.
lst play from scrimmage is an option pass, McFadden stays in, but when the Broncos do not blitz, mcFadden is iso’d up on the mike. This is about as perfect a play call as possible and they got the exact right result. McFadden wheels out on his route, the WR’s are running deep, Palmer puts it right onto McFaddens hands, so this play should go for 20-30 yards, maybe more. This will bring the crowd into the game, and is exactly what this team needs!! Except McFadden drops the pass. Which is what has happened all season.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: some players are disgusted that the Raiders would even reinstate Ronaldo after what he said on Facebook.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
i dont remember us having to constantly play catch up every game…palmer doesnt seem to be the type of qb that is a field general and sets the pace…its always the same thing..it seems hes happy to keep the game close instead of having them chase us!…..as cheesy as it sounds..there is no will to win on this team…theres a difference between winning and putting up good stats
December 10th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: December 10th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Mike mitchell had his best game as a pro vs the donkeys.
There has to be a way to give this man a start for the rest of the year. he was beyond solid on special teams and on defense he stood out with a sack and tfl
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I actually think it would benefit the team if they moved tyvon over to free safety and started mike mitch at strong… I really think that would help, I know tyvon cant be any worse at free than what gio is…
December 10th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Whoe was the blog tough guy that wanted to record himelf beating another blogger?
December 10th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Mike Mitchell should be the first player cut. Simply not an NFL caliber player
December 10th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Tarver has this thing headed in the right direction, we should get a top 3 draft pick.
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LOL
3-13 please.
Hate to have to say that, but it’s the Best thing for the longer term.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
My person in the building told me Allen for sure returning, in no way being canned. Said Knapp and Tarver are not in trouble either. Reggie needs to replace at least half the roster,..let these guys coach, see how that turns out. Gruden not coming back so thats that,…only way I want Allen gone is for Jon to return,..not happnin,..so I think keep the staff together and get real players, not these losers
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I guess that means you’re now JONGRUDEN2014
December 10th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Last year Tebow won more games than Newton. No one of this green earth (save for Mistic1) thought Tebow was a better QB than Cam.
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I never said that
newton is by far the best of these two
December 10th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
This team is significantly worse than last year in EVERY WAY…
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Uh… yes. It’s a different team than last year. Our personnel is completely different and we had to shed a ton of salary with no high draft choices. And we are going to have to shed salary again next year. This is a rebuild job. We all might as well get used to it.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
A little on Rolando…
From CBS’ and NFL Network’s Jason LaCanfora
La Canfora reported Sunday that the Raiders are capable of voiding the remaining guaranteed money in McClain’s rookie contract based on the fact that he was suspended. McClain is due a total of $3.6 million guaranteed for the
December 10th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
As far as Palmer goes… the bottom line is $$$$. 17 mil next year? Is that right? If so then he needs to restructure or be traded/waived.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
We have one of the fastest QBs in the league in Pryor, we have the fastest FB in Reece, we have some of the fastest RB’s in McFadden and Taiwan Jones, One of the fastest WR’s in the league in DHB, and one of the fastest TE’s in the league in Ausberry. These are men, who physically, can create mismatches all over the field, simply because they are almost always going to be faster than the man defending them.
Maybe theres a reason I dont get paid millions to coach in the NFL like Greg Knapp and DA, but I would think there has to be some kind of way to get these men into some favorable matchups. If they want to gut the roster next year, whatever. But as of right now, we have DEADLY speed. Too bad we wasted the whole season not using it to our advantage.
I just wish that I had an idea of what these coaches have been doing or looking at all season and pre-season. It makes no sense to me. None of it. Nothing that has gone on this season with the Oakland Raiders has made a lot of sense to me.
So who gets the blame for these players not being utilized?
December 10th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Lets see how empty the Coliseum will be. Might be able to hear JG13 conversating with Mck and MD on the sidelines…
December 10th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
A little on Rolando…
From CBS’ and NFL Network’s Jason LaCanfora
La Canfora reported Sunday that the Raiders are capable of voiding the remaining guaranteed money in McClain’s rookie contract based on the fact that he was suspended. McClain is due a total of $3.6 million guaranteed for the
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Well, I guess he wont have 4 million reasons not care anymore.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Wins-losses, tds-ints
Tebow: 7-4, 12-6
Cam: 6-10, 21-17
better win%, better td-int%, so there you go…
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tebow had one more win not a big difference there
but you left out cams 14 rushing tds and records he set.
the way you measure qbs is strange
December 10th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Mike Mitchell should be the first player cut. Simply not an NFL caliber player
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I have been on the cut MM bandwagon for two years and feel the exact same way. But when Branch went out last game, Mitchell might have had his best game as a pro. Which is a shock. Now, one game does not a career make, but he will get some more playing time to see if he can keep up that level of play. Let’s hope he builds on it.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Raiders will try and get McClain on the field so maybe get his value up, They will try to trade McClain after the season
December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Uh… yes. It’s a different team than last year. Our personnel is completely different and we had to shed a ton of salary with no high draft choices. And we are going to have to shed salary again next year. This is a rebuild job. We all might as well get used to it.
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I’m down with the rebuild.
It is what it is.
Having said that, stock pile draft picks and cap money.
Trade or cut all of the deadwood that would be irrelevant to the Team in 2013 and 2014.
Palmer, Dmac, Seymour, Kelly, Huff, Mitchell, Carlisle, Briesel, Barnes, McClain, etc…..
December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
If jon Gruden really wants the raiders job.. he should just wait another year.
DA will be gone after next year
December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Start another poll….What was your immediate reaction when you heard the rumor about Gruden?
C2E Holy sh*t
December 10th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Finally a real coach!
December 10th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says: December 10th, 2012 at 3:50 pmJONTRAIN Says:December 10th, 2012 at 3:32 pmThis team is significantly worse than last year in EVERY WAY…========================================Uh… yes. It’s a different team than last year. Our personnel is completely different and we had to shed a ton of salary with no high draft choices. And we are going to have to shed salary again next year. This is a rebuild job. We all might as well get used to it.
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Please. Most of the starters are the same. The only major change was our starting corners. Management will have us believe that we had to shed talent and therefore we have little depth. We never had depth(except at rb). Nothing new there.
Point is…coaching/mgmt change was by far the biggest difference in last years squad versus this year. And the reults are a direct consequence of that change
December 10th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
C2E Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Start another poll….What was your immediate reaction when you heard the rumor about Gruden?
C2E Holy sh*t
Dan78 Hell yeah!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
McClain is no different than a large percentage of Americans today. In his mind he believes he is entitled to a free ride.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
CBS’/NFL Network’s Jason LaCanfora says Raiders will not activate McClain on gamedays and let him ’stew’ on the roster until end of season.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
C2E Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Start another poll….What was your immediate reaction when you heard the rumor about Gruden?
C2E Holy sh*t
Dan78 Hell yeah!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHCYEe5iUsc
December 10th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
As a coach you have to admit you make a mistake to learn and grow from it. We are going to suck balls for at least three more years. If The rumors are true then we shall suck.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
C2E Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Start another poll….What was your immediate reaction when you heard the rumor about Gruden?
C2E — Holy sh*t
Dan78 — Hell yeah!!!
jackasspuria — bull sh*t
December 10th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
We have one of the fastest QBs in the league in Pryor, we have the fastest FB in Reece, we have some of the fastest RB’s in McFadden and Taiwan Jones, One of the fastest WR’s in the league in DHB, and one of the fastest TE’s in the league in Ausberry. These are men, who physically, can create mismatches all over the field, simply because they are almost always going to be faster than the man defending them. =
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this is my biggest problem with d.a and the staff and the way they handled the young players this season.
pryor in particular
December 10th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Raiderduck what did you expect lechler to say,everyone is waiting on a real coach they have quit.how many blowout games did we have last year?
December 10th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
If DA and his staff return next season, you can guarantee another top 10 draft pick in 2014. Maybe that’s the plan. Keep DA for a few years and let us stack 1st round picks. This staff is clueless. I dont want to hear about them being able to get the players they want. They dont even know what to do with the players they have. I’ll entertain DA still being the coach for the rest of this season, and still support my team and the players that are actually trying to be productive. But if DA makes it past week 17, I’ll pass on next season. I dont need to waste my time watching these guys not put their players in positions to succeed.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
C2E Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Start another poll….What was your immediate reaction when you heard the rumor about Gruden?
C2E — Holy sh*t
Dan78 — Hell yeah!!!
jackasspuria — bull sh*t
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BFD!!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
C2E Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Start another poll….What was your immediate reaction when you heard the rumor about Gruden?
C2E — Holy sh*t
Dan78 — Hell yeah!!!
jackasspuria — bull sh*t
RaiderLen – Really?
December 10th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
I will say they are handling the McClain situation the right way.
I do have faith in Reg. Just none in any of the coaches. They have put reg in a tough situation because they have done nothing to show that they deserve their jobs…I mean not even an inkling of progress byany metric imaginable. Now Reg has to at least consider firing them and continuing the instabilty of the previous administration. I dont envy his position.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
The A’s and Warriors are actually worth watching…. It’s game time in Charlotte now….
December 10th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
If DA and his staff return next season, you can guarantee another top 10 draft pick in 2014. Maybe that’s the plan. Keep DA for a few years and let us stack 1st round picks. This staff is clueless. I dont want to hear about them being able to get the players they want. They dont even know what to do with the players they have. I’ll entertain DA still being the coach for the rest of this season, and still support my team and the players that are actually trying to be productive. But if DA makes it past week 17, I’ll pass on next season. I dont need to waste my time watching these guys not put their players in positions to succeed.
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And then move to L.A?
December 10th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Raider E Says: December 10th, 2012 at 4:00 pmC2E Says:December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pmStart another poll….What was your immediate reaction when you heard the rumor about Gruden?
C2E — Holy sh*t
Dan78 — Hell yeah!!!
jackasspuria — bull sh*t
JONTRAIN – SAYS WHO?
December 10th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
If DA and his staff return next season, you can guarantee another top 10 draft pick in 2014. Maybe that’s the plan. Keep DA for a few years and let us stack 1st round picks. This staff is clueless. I dont want to hear about them being able to get the players they want. They dont even know what to do with the players they have. I’ll entertain DA still being the coach for the rest of this season, and still support my team and the players that are actually trying to be productive. But if DA makes it past week 17, I’ll pass on next season. I dont need to waste my time watching these guys not put their players in positions to succeed.
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agreed
December 10th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Reg told Allen the staff is all on him,..Reg puts the roster together,..if Reg all the sudden says ok now Im going to tell you who you can hire and fire,…trouble,..if Reg hates the staff he needs to can Allen. Allen hired the staff.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
I don’t agree that the majority of players have quit. I see them fight, maybe be frustrated but not quit.
Now when it comes to the likes of McClain and Kelly, well they quit long ago. Nothing new there.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
C2E Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Start another poll….What was your immediate reaction when you heard the rumor about Gruden?
C2E — Holy sh*t
Dan78 — Hell yeah!!!
jackasspuria — bull sh*t
RaiderLen – Really?
theghostronin79 – DON’T FU*K WITH ME…Don’t do it.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
trouble is losing not firing…
December 10th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
I dont want to hear about them being able to get the players they want. They dont even know what to do with the players they have.
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POOOOOWWWWWW
December 10th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
C2E Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Start another poll….What was your immediate reaction when you heard the rumor about Gruden?
C2E — Holy sh*t
Dan78 — Hell yeah!!!
jackasspuria — bull sh*t
RaiderLen – Really?
RaiderE – BFD!!!!
RaiderLen – Really?
JONTRAIN – SAYS WHO?
December 10th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
The players may not have quit but they certainly have not taken to d.a or responded to his leaderhsip.
In fact it appears from the outside that the team rolls their eyes when ever he speaks.
he has callahan/ mcdaniels diseas, and he isnt an effective communicator
December 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
C2E Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Start another poll….What was your immediate reaction when you heard the rumor about Gruden?
C2E — Holy sh*t
Dan78 — Hell yeah!!!
jackasspuria — bull sh*t
RaiderLen – Really?
RaiderE – BFD!!!!
RaiderLen – Really?
JONTRAIN – SAYS WHO?
theghostronin79 – DON’T FU*K WITH ME…Don’t do it.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Warning. A refresh of this page redirected me to porn. raunchygfs or something like that.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Warning. A refresh of this page redirected me to porn. raunchygfs or something like that.
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Yep, happened to me a couple of time. Raunchy schitt too.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
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i think the comparisons are fair that is how all qbs are measured and compared with their peers.
fair or unfair that is usually the way it is done.
Looking at wins and losses and turn over to td is common.
the truth is carson has been a bad qb in oakland, and there simply is no way to separate his 37 turn overs from his weak win loss record here.
In every year for nfl qbs turn overs and losses count against them, why should it be different for palmer?
This is also what teams do when looking at evaluating qbs they consider turn over to td and wins and losses
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2000 – Rich Gannon’s second full season with the Raiders: 473 attempts, 28 TD, 11 INT, 60% Comp.
2012 – Carson Palmer’s second season (13 games) with Raiders: 533 attempts, 22 TD, 14 INT, 60.8% Comp.
I think we can all agree that in 2000 the Raiders had a very good team, including a very good running game and O Line.
I only bring this up Mistic, because you keep talking about QB numbers and say that Carson has been so horrible. While I dont think Carson is some incredible All Pro QB, I do think he is not as bad as you make him out to be. You can clearly see that he is having to pass way more then Gannon had too. He also has younger and less experienced WR, a crappy O Line, and no running game. This is a team sport.
I hope Pryor plays so dang good, we never look back, but their is a reason all these coaches, including Gruden, have said he is not an NFL QB. I sure do hope he proves them all wrong, but I’m also realistic.
peace.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says: December 10th, 2012 at 3:50 pmJONTRAIN Says:December 10th, 2012 at 3:32 pmThis team is significantly worse than last year in EVERY WAY…========================================Uh… yes. It’s a different team than last year. Our personnel is completely different and we had to shed a ton of salary with no high draft choices. And we are going to have to shed salary again next year. This is a rebuild job. We all might as well get used to it.
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Please. Most of the starters are the same. The only major change was our starting corners.
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Huh? Are starting corners are gone. Are starting free safety is different. We have two new starting LB’s. Our offensive line has a new center, a new LG and a new RG. We have a new starting TE. Our RB’s have changed including a guy who started 9 games for us last year, and we have new return guys. You do watch this team right?
December 10th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
The players may not have quit but they certainly have not taken to d.a or responded to his leaderhsip.
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“Though it may not look like it in our record and what’s happened on Sundays, this place is headed in the right direction,” Lechler said.
And Allen is the one of the primary reasons the Raiders are headed in the proper direction, Lechler said.
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said. “He’s got my full support. Somewhere in here, we’re going to have to let a guy coach for a few years to figure out.
I always love it when you guys completely contradict people that are in the NFL and have been in the NFL for decades. It’s kind of laughable really.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
The loser players who roll their eyes when DA speaks wont be Raiders in 3 weeks. Ya heard me Mistic?
December 10th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
My inside source just told me she heard a argument between Mark and Reggie. She said Mark wants DA and the whole staff fired, but Reggie was begging to give Allen at least four more years. Reggie was saying even the Prez of the US needs eight years to make a difference. She said Mark caved and the two were hugging and making up. She also said Knapp was standing in the shadows trying to listen in on the argument. She has more inside info for me, but won’t say a peep more til I wine and dine her and then do a little hanky panky (oh boy) and then some breakfast. Said she’ll have some more juice tomorrow. But it does look like DA and Knapp are gonna be here at least seven more years. Also said Gruden may come in as an Advisor/Mentor/Confidante to Allen. Said Reggie was good with that as long as Gru didn’t step on any toes, namely Reggie’s. Said Mark and Reggie were going to the premiere of The Hobbit on Friday night. Mark is a big Bilbo Baggans fan and was hoping to meet him.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Why is it that the Ravens can pull the trigger and fire an incompetent offensive coordinator mid stream but we can’t?
December 10th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
The loser players who roll their eyes when DA speaks wont be Raiders in 3 weeks. Ya heard me Mistic?
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100% correct.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
@131 some of those you mentioned were on the team last year and switched positions due to the brilliance of our coaching staff and/or injuries…no matter how you try to spin it, our personnel is not “completely different” as u claim. Fact.
And asking if I watch the team? Grow up.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
134…lol!
December 10th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Another future opponent that wants to go against a Dennis Allen coached team…Noticed he didn’t give us ONE thing as to what Dennis Allen has done to have it go in the right direction…”You may not see it on Sundays”, well that’s the only thing that counts.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
My inside source just told me that majority of people that post comments on this site are patients in mental institutions.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
You may not see it on Sundays.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
cwolfman Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
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i think the comparisons are fair that is how all qbs are measured and compared with their peers.
fair or unfair that is usually the way it is done.
Looking at wins and losses and turn over to td is common.
the truth is carson has been a bad qb in oakland, and there simply is no way to separate his 37 turn overs from his weak win loss record here.
In every year for nfl qbs turn overs and losses count against them, why should it be different for palmer?
This is also what teams do when looking at evaluating qbs they consider turn over to td and wins and losses
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2000 – Rich Gannon’s second full season with the Raiders: 473 attempts, 28 TD, 11 INT, 60% Comp.
2012 – Carson Palmer’s second season (13 games) with Raiders: 533 attempts, 22 TD, 14 INT, 60.8% Comp.
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a couple of things to consider
carson has 19 turn overs not just 14 picks.
Gannon had 15 turn overs for the year in 2000
gannon also had 4 rushing tds, and picked up a lot of first downs with his legs.
gannon also took fewer sacks because he was mobile.
gannon > than palmer and it cant really be argued
December 10th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Twocents Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
My inside source just told me that majority of people that post comments on this site are patients in mental institutions.
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Thank goodness they have wi-fi
December 10th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
ohn David Booty Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
If DA and his staff return next season, you can guarantee another top 10 draft pick in 2014. Maybe that’s the plan. Keep DA for a few years and let us stack 1st round picks. This staff is clueless. I dont want to hear about them being able to get the players they want. They dont even know what to do with the players they have. I’ll entertain DA still being the coach for the rest of this season, and still support my team and the players that are actually trying to be productive. But if DA makes it past week 17, I’ll pass on next season. I dont need to waste my time watching these guys not put their players in positions to succeed.
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It will be a stretch to say if there is 20k people at the home opener next year.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
2013 Raiders OC:
Cam Cameron, Norv Turner or Ken Whisenhunt ??
December 10th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
134 LOL My inside source says if you make up enough lies/stories, you might be bound to hit on one, that way you can come back and say,”I told you so!”
December 10th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
The players may not have quit but they certainly have not taken to d.a or responded to his leaderhsip.
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“Though it may not look like it in our record and what’s happened on Sundays, this place is headed in the right direction,” Lechler said.
And Allen is the one of the primary reasons the Raiders are headed in the proper direction, Lechler said.
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said. “He’s got my full support. Somewhere in here, we’re going to have to let a guy coach for a few years to figure out.
I always love it when you guys completely contradict people that are in the NFL and have been in the NFL for decades. It’s kind of laughable really.
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whats laughable is that you would expect a player whos paycheck is directly related to how he is viewed by the front office to say anything that would jeopardize his standing in the organization.
I dont know if you are aware but this is called lip service in most circles.
Players dont trash coaches, because it could mean the end of their nfl salary.
this is especially true for fringe players or expendable special teams guys.
lechler’s take should be taken with a grain of salt, trashing your employer and team mates is frowned upon.
ask ro mac and hu jack
December 10th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
2013 Raiders OC:
Cam Cameron, Norv Turner or Ken Whisenhunt ??
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Turner
December 10th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Zymurge Says (in a thread that’s too old):
December 10th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Elway never ran like what these guys are doing today. Steve Young maybe? He was more of a past first and then run if you have to QB.
Cunningham is the only one I can think of that played into his thirties after starting out with that style. I don’t recall McNabb running around near as much as the RGIII & Cam Newton types.
Name some if you can.
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Steve McNair was a running QB from the time he became a starter in 1996 until about 2002, at which point he was constantly injured. In 2003 he essentially stopped running. Interestingly he had his best QB rating by far that season adn threw for a career high 24 TDs despite only playing 14 games. He continued playing until he was 34.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Players dont trash coaches, because it could mean the end of their nfl salary.
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McClain didn’t get the memo.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
2013 Raiders OC:
Cam Cameron, Norv Turner or Ken Whisenhunt ??
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Other…Saunders
December 10th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
The Cam Cameron thing should be a wakeup call to the Al-haters that said Al only sided with players…They fire him to keep Flacco happy.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Zymurge Says (continuing to catch up with ancient blog history):
December 10th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
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Yeah, Palmer was really known for sucking in the vertical offense when he was throwing bomb after bomb after bomb to Ocho, er, Chad Johnson. Johnson had 4 of his best 5 pro seasons with Palmer airing it out to him. He averaged about 15 yards per catch during that stretch.
He had a huge dropoff the season that Palmer wasn’t the QB (after his playoff knee injury) until the last 4 games. His average dropped all the way down into the 10’s of yards per catch. The next season with Palmer full time, right back to 14s.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
@131 some of those you mentioned were on the team last year and switched positions due to the brilliance of our coaching staff and/or injuries…no matter how you try to spin it, our personnel is not “completely different” as u claim. Fact.
And asking if I watch the team? Grow up.
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See, this is classic statement that shows certain fans have no clue what is actually going on out there on the field. It is like saying a blocking TE and a receiving TE are just TE’s there is no difference. A RT and a LT are the same. A Will LB and a Sam LB do are interchangeable. When you shift one guy on the Oline it changes the entire Oline. That’s what you guys don’t get.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
HitManMorris Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Why is it that the Ravens can pull the trigger and fire an incompetent offensive coordinator mid stream but we can’t?
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Because the Baltimore Ravens is a professional organization!
December 10th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Oline it changes the entire Oline. That’s what you guys don’t get.
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He got it just fine.
He blamed the switches on the coaching staff’s brilliance.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
The players may not have quit but they certainly have not taken to d.a or responded to his leaderhsip.
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“Though it may not look like it in our record and what’s happened on Sundays, this place is headed in the right direction,” Lechler said.
And Allen is the one of the primary reasons the Raiders are headed in the proper direction, Lechler said.
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said. “He’s got my full support. Somewhere in here, we’re going to have to let a guy coach for a few years to figure out.
I always love it when you guys completely contradict people that are in the NFL and have been in the NFL for decades. It’s kind of laughable really.
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whats laughable is that you would expect a player whos paycheck is directly related to how he is viewed by the front office to say anything that would jeopardize his standing in the organization.
I dont know if you are aware but this is called lip service in most circles.
Players dont trash coaches, because it could mean the end of their nfl salary.
this is especially true for fringe players or expendable special teams guys.
lechler’s take should be taken with a grain of salt, trashing your employer and team mates is frowned upon.
ask ro mac and hu jack
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Or……he could just say nothing. You ever heard of “no comment”? Maybe he believes what he said. Especially considering he is a lst ballot HOFer. Normally those guys can speak their mind without fear of reprisal. So He did. It’s just you don’t believe him, which actually reflects more on you than on either Lechler or Allen.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
My inside source has a friend and she wants to bring her along on our dinner date. Said she even has more beans to spill but said she would only talk if she can get in on the action. I said ok, no problem. But give me a little teaser. She started to take off her coat and then some, but I said wait. I’m talking some inside info. She goes oops. But then proceeded to say that Mark exclusively loves using Reggie’s private crapper, not his own. Said Reggie’s toilet is very large and Mark feels ‘kingly’ when sitting on it. Says Reggie tolerates only because Mark signs the checks. Also said Allen and Knapp use port a potties because someone plugged up the coaches loo with a beastly load that even a haz mat crew has yet been able to secure. So if Allen or the coaches seem cranky it is because the have to crap in unsanitary conditions. Oh well. More juice as I get it fellows.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Zymurge Says (continuing to catch up with ancient blog history):
December 10th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
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Yeah, Palmer was really known for sucking in the vertical offense when he was throwing bomb after bomb after bomb to Ocho, er, Chad Johnson. Johnson had 4 of his best 5 pro seasons with Palmer airing it out to him. He averaged about 15 yards per catch during that stretch.
He had a huge dropoff the season that Palmer wasn’t the QB (after his playoff knee injury) until the last 4 games. His average dropped all the way down into the 10’s of yards per catch. The next season with Palmer full time, right back to 14s.
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palmer was not that good his last year in cincy
26 tds 24 turn overs 4 wins
he simply is no longer the vertical passing dynamo he was in 2005 -2006
the evidence really showed last year in hu jacks offense
December 10th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Lechler, Condo and kicker Sebastian Janikowski arguably are the best specialists trio in the league.
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Agreed!
Make sure all 3 of them retire as Raiders, Reggie
December 10th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
C2E,
Saunders sucks
December 10th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Lechler is a fuuuuking PUNTER.
Who gives a shiiit what he thinks.
HOF, sure, right after ray Guy is inducted.
This Guy has supported everyone to my mind other than Kiffin.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
KC is trying to get a better draft pick than us!!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/10/dwayne-bowe-heading-to-injured-reserve/
December 10th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Ravens just fired Cam Cameron, their OC, who happens to be much better than our OC. So what our malfunction?
December 10th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Plus the Ravens are playoff bound.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Lechler, Condo and kicker Sebastian Janikowski arguably are the best specialists trio in the league.
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Agreed!
Make sure all 3 of them retire as Raiders, Reggie
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Cut Lechler and Condo unless they play for less.
Rebuild means just that.
Cap space and draft picks in 2013!
December 10th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
KC is trying to get a better draft pick than us!!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/10/dwayne-bowe-heading-to-injured-reserve/
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Bastards!
December 10th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
@131 some of those you mentioned were on the team last year and switched positions due to the brilliance of our coaching staff and/or injuries…no matter how you try to spin it, our personnel is not “completely different” as u claim. Fact.
And asking if I watch the team? Grow up.
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See, this is classic statement that shows certain fans have no clue what is actually going on out there on the field. It is like saying a blocking TE and a receiving TE are just TE’s there is no difference. A RT and a LT are the same. A Will LB and a Sam LB do are interchangeable. When you shift one guy on the Oline it changes the entire Oline. That’s what you guys don’t get.
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You’re just being defensive. Ironically, a major complaint of MINE on this blog. Read my response again please. Of course I get that aspect…I even referenced it. Do you even know what you are arguing about anymore????
You are too caught up in trying to defend the minutia of your points to maintain a coherent line of debate.
Let me be clear as far as my original point:
We have largely the same personnel as last year, and a whole new staff… and due to that coaching… we suck.
Don’t worry I won’t resort to childish insults. I would like to know exactly how that point could be refuted, though.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Oh, I guess I answered my own question: This staff is so bad no one is good enough to assume the job (and AS must not want to be the guy)
December 10th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Not Palmer’s fault. If we had an effective OL and receivers not injured, we would be on a Palmer roll. He’s played good with what he’s been given. Add in Knapp and I feel sorry for Carson.
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Palmer woulda been a whole lot better with HueJax as his HC and Saunders as the OC. That is a factual footnote in Raider history.
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Yep and JaMarcus would’ve been a better QB with us this season with Knapp and DiFillipo coaching him.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
What a true Toilet Bowl we will have at the coliseum this weekend. Division rivals that have nothing at stake but draft positioning. Will the defenses Olé and escort ball carriers to the end zone? Will the teams come to play with coaches feeling the heat in their seats?
So much intrigue! Yawn…
December 10th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
KC is trying to get a better draft pick than us!!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/10/dwayne-bowe-heading-to-injured-reserve/
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Maybe we should start TP6 so this doesnt happen!
December 10th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
They should flush it before it even starts.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Let me be clear as far as my original point:
We have largely the same personnel as last year, and a whole new staff… and due to that coaching… we suck.
Don’t worry I won’t resort to childish insults. I would like to know exactly how that point could be refuted, though.
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What your argument is, which seems kind of silly is we have the same guys playing. I pointed out, we have two new corners, two new LB’s, I didn’t even get to the fact that we have a new DE, new Oline players, a new TE, new RB’s, not to mention two new receivers. The Whiners brought back basically 20 out of 22 starters. If your point that moving Mike Huff from FS to CB is the same personnel, I kind of find that silly that’s all. There is a huge difference between playing FS and playing LC. It’s not just DB.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Yep and JaMarcus would’ve been a better QB with us this season with Knapp and DiFillipo coaching him.
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Hey we’re rebuilding!
Bring back JaMarcus!
I’ve heard he’s working hard to get back in the NFL.
He has unfinished business.
He’ll be back just as soon as He’s offered a tryout.
The CFL wouldn’t give Him one, but the NFL is smarter.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
KC is trying to get a better draft pick than us!!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/10/dwayne-bowe-heading-to-injured-reserve/
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With the first pick in the 2013 NFL Draft the Kansas City Chiefs select….
December 10th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Gino Smith West Virginia
December 10th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
cwolfman Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
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i think the comparisons are fair that is how all qbs are measured and compared with their peers.
fair or unfair that is usually the way it is done.
Looking at wins and losses and turn over to td is common.
the truth is carson has been a bad qb in oakland, and there simply is no way to separate his 37 turn overs from his weak win loss record here.
In every year for nfl qbs turn overs and losses count against them, why should it be different for palmer?
This is also what teams do when looking at evaluating qbs they consider turn over to td and wins and losses
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2000 – Rich Gannon’s second full season with the Raiders: 473 attempts, 28 TD, 11 INT, 60% Comp.
2012 – Carson Palmer’s second season (13 games) with Raiders: 533 attempts, 22 TD, 14 INT, 60.8% Comp.
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a couple of things to consider
carson has 19 turn overs not just 14 picks.
Gannon had 15 turn overs for the year in 2000
gannon also had 4 rushing tds, and picked up a lot of first downs with his legs.
gannon also took fewer sacks because he was mobile.
gannon > than palmer and it cant really be argued
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I am not saying Palmer is better then Gannon. I was only comparing the stats from the two different QB, and using the stats from one QB who had success in his second season with the Raiders. My point was that you cant ignore the fact that Gannon was on a way better team all around. He had a running game, good O Line, and very good receivers. I would argue that Carson has none of this, and yet Gannon’s interception per throw was 2.3%, and Carson’s is 2.6%. Not a huge difference. Also, as far as the sacks go…. Gannon was sacked 28 times that year and Carson has been sacked 26 times this year.
Just saying….. I don’t think he is as close to as bad as you make him out to be.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Al Saunders is 65 years old. Not exactly a bright young offensive mind. He’s well versed in the Air Coryell offense, which dates back to the 70’s
He hasn’t been a play caller since 2007 (5 years) where he failed miserably. Should we let him have the job based upon his success in KC ?? that would be like giving Knapp the OC job based upon his OC stint in San Fran
WAKE UP people!!
December 10th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Ok…no doubt we want 3-13
and we definitely want that number 1 pick…
trade it for a nice package…
trade down to maybe 15…pick up our missing 2nd rnder and next year’s 1 from the trade partner…
id do that in a second
also dump dmac (thanks K-NAPP!)… for a 2nd…or a 1st next yr (prefer the latter)….
this way we have a SHOT with some talent in 2013 and really stockpile for 2014…
speaking of 2014…all these “2014 apologists” need to go home…
HELLO!
Indy 2-14—-> 10 wins+ this yr?
same shat for SF last year.
the league s FULL of these 1 yr tunarounds.
why not oak? DONT dont give
the KLOWNE KOACHE KADRE a built in excuse for 2013!
the KADRE should go now let alone getting another FREE PASS IN 2013….
NO KLOWNE EXCUSES!
December 10th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
My inside source says Jon Gruden might or might not address the rumors about his return to coaching for the Oakland Raiders tonight.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Seymour & McClain are back so we should expect to stuff Jamaal Charles dead in his tracks, right??
December 10th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Seymour & McClain are back so we should expect to stuff Jamaal Charles dead in his tracks, right??
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I more than likely expect the parting of the Red Sea…
December 10th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Seymour & McClain are back so we should expect to stuff Jamaal Charles dead in his tracks, right??
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Good one…
December 10th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
lol at lechler being “a 1st ballot hof” player
players give long winded answers all of the time yet they say very little.
If you expect a player to air out a coach especially a special team player that has competition waiting in the wings then you have a misconception about the nfl and human nature to protect their stake.
wouldnt surprise me, you were wrong about palmer too.
You also didnt want to acknowledge the need to pay pryor for evaluation in favor of palmer.
so it does not surprise me that you wouldnt know about empty platitudes served up by players in a contract year
December 10th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Seymour & McClain are back so we should expect to stuff Jamaal Charles dead in his tracks, right?
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McClain won’t sniff the field for the remainder of His raider “career”.
Seymour needs to get back on the field so as to be relevant to the next Team that will be willing to hand him a check.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
The only thing Seymour, Kelly and McClain do to opposing runners is sing “Follow the Yellow Brick Road” for 60 minutes.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
what happened to the ROMAC fans??
#55 is the next Ray Lewis. It all starts this week when Tarver unveils the new look 3-4 Defense with Kelly in the middle and Gaither next to McClain at ILB.
KC will have less than 50 rushing yards and Quinn will leave the game with a concussion courtesy of Tyvon Branch – Jack Tatum 2.0
December 10th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Al Saunders is 65 years old. Not exactly a bright young offensive mind. He’s well versed in the Air Coryell offense, which dates back to the 70’s
He hasn’t been a play caller since 2007 (5 years) where he failed miserably. Should we let him have the job based upon his success in KC ?? that would be like giving Knapp the OC job based upon his OC stint in San Fran
WAKE UP people!!
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yeah, and Norv is 60.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Lechler, Condo and kicker Sebastian Janikowski arguably are the best specialists trio in the league.
***
Agreed!
Make sure all 3 of them retire as Raiders, Reggie
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I’d rather not put nostalgia ahead of winning. If their performance drops (Lechler), cut them.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Let me be clear as far as my original point:
We have largely the same personnel as last year, and a whole new staff… and due to that coaching… we suck.
Don’t worry I won’t resort to childish insults. I would like to know exactly how that point could be refuted, though.
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What your argument is, which seems kind of silly is we have the same guys playing. I pointed out, we have two new corners, two new LB’s, I didn’t even get to the fact that we have a new DE, new Oline players, a new TE, new RB’s, not to mention two new receivers. The Whiners brought back basically 20 out of 22 starters. If your point that moving Mike Huff from FS to CB is the same personnel, I kind of find that silly that’s all. There is a huge difference between playing FS and playing LC. It’s not just DB.
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Yes this is silly…but eff it. I will entertain you:
Opening day…we had exactly ONE new starter on offense (Brisiel)
4 on defense (Spencer, Bartell, Burris, and Wheeler)
Where they play is up to the coaches
Do I really need to go on?
“Largely the same personnel” is all I said. So just stop.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
what happened to the ROMAC fans??
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We/They are all in that place were lost socks, pens, and JLH’s go. lol
December 10th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RRRRRRAAAAAAAAIIIIIIDDDDEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
so … with the Chiefs placing Bowe on I.R. who should I pick up in fantasy football this week (versus Oakland) ??
89 Jon Baldwin
15 Steve Breaston
10 Terrance Copper
22 Dexter McCluster
84 Jamar Newsome
December 10th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
We/They are all in that place were lost socks, pens, and JLH’s go. lol
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a JLH reference?
really, Len?
Ouch!!
December 10th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
what happened to the ROMAC fans??
#55 is the next Ray Lewis. It all starts this week when Tarver unveils the new look 3-4 Defense with Kelly in the middle and Gaither next to McClain at ILB.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Frantz Joseph was the next Ray Lewis!
I liked McClain too. You should worry when I like a LB.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
so … with the Chiefs placing Bowe on I.R. who should I pick up in fantasy football this week (versus Oakland) ??
89 Jon Baldwin
15 Steve Breaston
10 Terrance Copper
22 Dexter McCluster
84 Jamar Newsome
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McCluster
But I don’t do fantasy.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Dud you guys notice the KKK reference in little poopcutefools post?
“the KLOWNE KOACHE KADRE a built in excuse for 2013!”
The poor littler fella is worse off than sully or the other trolls maybe we could all pitch in for some shock therapy for the little toad.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
lol at lechler being “a 1st ballot hof” player
players give long winded answers all of the time yet they say very little.
If you expect a player to air out a coach especially a special team player that has competition waiting in the wings then you have a misconception about the nfl and human nature to protect their stake.
wouldnt surprise me, you were wrong about palmer too.
You also didnt want to acknowledge the need to pay pryor for evaluation in favor of palmer.
so it does not surprise me that you wouldnt know about empty platitudes served up by players in a contract year
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Every bit of this is your opinion. And with all due respect, your opinion is generally considered the most laughable and biased on the blog. I am not laughable and biased. I state facts. When you are a 9 time All Pro and on the NFL All Decade Team, you are probably going to the Hall. Players actually RARELY give long winded answers because they know they can be easily misconstrued. As I said Lechler did not HAVE to say anything. He did. You consider he is lying. With no evidence, That just reflects on your character more than anything.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
We/They are all in that place were lost socks, pens, and JLH’s go. lol
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a JLH reference?
really, Len?
Ouch!!
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Sorry Bro,
Had to bring you down from the High horse…lol
December 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
i think the comparisons are fair that is how all qbs are measured and compared with their peers.
fair or unfair that is usually the way it is done.
Looking at wins and losses and turn over to td is common.
the truth is carson has been a bad qb in oakland, and there simply is no way to separate his 37 turn overs from his weak win loss record here.
In every year for nfl qbs turn overs and losses count against them, why should it be different for palmer?
This is also what teams do when looking at evaluating qbs they consider turn over to td and wins and losses
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u are just such a liar. no teams evaluate their qb by losses. show me how losses are computed into qb rating, jackazz.
alex smith was “winning” and they replaced him with a better qb.
tim tebow was “winning” and they replaced him with a better qb.
cam newton is “;osing” and u want to have his children.
ur a hypocritical joke.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Lechler looking toward the future, uncertain what it holds
By Steve Corkran
Monday, December 10th, 2012 at 2:45 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Punter Shane Lechler and kicker Sebastian Janikowski are the only two players on the Raiders 53-man roster that experienced a winning season with this team. This season marks Lechler’s 13th season, and it just might be his final one in a Raiders uniform.
Lechler is in the final year of the four-year contract he signed in 2009 that made him the highest-paid punter in NFL history. It remains to be seen whether he will be back for a 14th season.
“Oh, yeah, I’ve thought about it, had long discussions with my wife about it,” Lechler said Monday. “It’s one of those things where you don’t have any control over it and it’s kind of frustrating. But, in the same sense, it’s exciting and frustrating at the same time, if it can be that. That’s what it is. Just a lot of long conversations with the wife, we’ve got kids in school now, so we need to figure out something and go from there.”
Lechler said he had high hopes for this season, given the Raiders finished 8-8 each of the past two seasons and came one win away from winning the AFC West last season.
He joined the Raiders as a fifth-round pick out of Texas A&M in 2000, at a time when the Raiders were just taking off under then-coach Jon Gruden.
The Raiders qualified for the AFC Playoffs in each of Lechler’s first three seasons, culminating with a Super Bowl appearance under coach Bill Callahan in 2002.
“I wish that would have happened a little bit later in my career so I wouldn’t have taken it so much for granted,” Lechler said. “We walk right into this thing and go to the AFC Championship Game. I thought that was how it was going to be. Didn’t quite turn out that way.”
No, it didn’t. As it turned out, the Raiders went 4-12 in Lechler’s fourth season and haven’t had a winning season in any of the past 10. They are 3-10 right now.
Through it all, Lechler was the one consistent bright spot for the Raiders, racking up Pro Bowl and All-Pro selections seemingly every season.
This season, Lechler is 10th in gross punting average and 21st in net punting average. Part of that owes to Lechler being bothered by a knee injury that required surgery just before training camp started — he said he didn’t feel 100 percent healthy until midway through this season.
Lechler is playing for his eighth head coach this year. He said it’s imperative the Raiders stick with Dennis Allen and give Allen a chance to turn around the Raiders.
“Though it may not look like it in our record and what’s happened on Sundays, this place is headed in the right direction,” Lechler said.
And Allen is the one of the primary reasons the Raiders are headed in the proper direction, Lechler said.
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said. “He’s got my full support. Somewhere in here, we’re going to have to let a guy coach for a few years to figure out. It’s not much different than the college football. You give a guy four years, let him recruit players, let him develop his players and see how they are then, instead of change and change and change. But this is Oakland.”
General manager Reggie McKenzie and owner Mark Davis haven’t tipped their hand on how they intend to proceed with Lechler.
Well, that is, unless you count the decision to place undrafted rookie punter Marquette King on season-ending reserve.
“Yeah, I don’t know that I’ve ever seen it happen before,” Lechler said.
That’s the kind of move that means one of two things: The Raiders intend to let Lechler walk after this season, or they are keeping King on ice in case Lechler opts to sign elsewhere.
“I’m not real worried about it,” Lechler said. “If that’s the direction they choose to go, they choose to go. I don’t have any doubt in his ability. He needs some time.
“It was frustrating for a little while because this is my job, and it has been mine for 13 years. You can feel how you want to about it. I took it a little bit personal early but after that I was like, ‘You know what? I can only worry about so many things around here.’ So, that was one of them that I needed to stop worrying about.”
Long-snapper Jon Condo called Lechler a leader in the locker room and on the field, the kind of guy whose value transcends all the Pro Bowl and All-Pro selections.
Lechler, Condo and kicker Sebastian Janikowski arguably are the best specialists trio in the league.
“I’ve seen punters along the way that can boom a punt 67 yards, but their next might be 20, 30 yards,” Condo said. “He’s always consistent, he’s always there. Just his presence in the locker room and on the field, it’s big for our team. I know with Bass, it’s a safety net for him, it’s a safety net for me, when the three of us are together.
“We all have faith and trust in one another, and that’s a big thing in specialists when you’re out there kicking a field goal or punting a ball from the back of your end zone. Without trust in the guy you’re working with, that’s one thing that has helped out me a lot is having faith and trust. Also, there’s a comfort level. Anytime those guys are on the field you feel comfortable. If you’re comfortable, you’re going to play a lot better.”
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What a whole lotta nuthin.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Let me be clear as far as my original point:
We have largely the same personnel as last year, and a whole new staff… and due to that coaching… we suck.
Don’t worry I won’t resort to childish insults. I would like to know exactly how that point could be refuted, though.
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What your argument is, which seems kind of silly is we have the same guys playing. I pointed out, we have two new corners, two new LB’s, I didn’t even get to the fact that we have a new DE, new Oline players, a new TE, new RB’s, not to mention two new receivers. The Whiners brought back basically 20 out of 22 starters. If your point that moving Mike Huff from FS to CB is the same personnel, I kind of find that silly that’s all. There is a huge difference between playing FS and playing LC. It’s not just DB.
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Said it before and I’ll say it again. Seymour is a shadow of the player that he was in the first half of last season and before. Something broke down and he’s too old to recover from it.
The Seymour of early 2011 and before was a force collapsing the pocket in the middle. That made Tom Kelly more lethal as Seymour soaked up attention. Maybe inspired him to play a little harder too. Then toss in Wimbley almost always single teamed on the outside due to the middle rush attention, and the team pass defense was scary. That’s why people kept talking about — even coming into this season — how the Raiders front 4 were some of the best in the league. How quickly that talk dried up!
Take away a good pass rush and replace it with a non-existent one and it doesn’t much matter what you do with the rest of the defense. It’s going to be weak. Add a weak defense puttinghte team down two or more scores before the first half is finished and you’re tieing one hand behind the back of the offense.
To see the opposite effect just look across the bay. When that defense is stopping the other team suddenly that mediocre offense starts looking good. But when they find themselves having to play from behind, turns out they aren’t that good at all. One unit has a HUGE effect on the other in the NFL.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
M1st1c is still here bashing Palmer? ===================
Yes he is. What’s even better is that he’ll get to do it all next year, and probably beyond that.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Those men are real AL DAVIS HERO’S!
The few ,the proud, the RAIDER Elite.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
You should worry when I like a LB
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O,
please start hating Burris & Wheeler immediately!!
December 10th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
What a whole lotta nuthin.
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Yep,
And you just compounded it.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: December 10th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Mike mitchell had his best game as a pro vs the donkeys.
There has to be a way to give this man a start for the rest of the year. he was beyond solid on special teams and on defense he stood out with a sack and tfl
…………………………………………………………………….
I actually think it would benefit the team if they moved tyvon over to free safety and started mike mitch at strong… I really think that would help, I know tyvon cant be any worse at free than what gio is…
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i’ve long thought this. branch is a natural FS. less pure coverage and more breaking fast to the ball in flight. plus he can crack wr’s coming over the middle. he could free wheel and would be great in my opinion.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
the way you measure qbs is strange
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pot calling the kettle black.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
cwolfman,
i wasnt a gannon fan either, i have always said he was a glorified journey man that experienced a resurgence after hooking up with brown and company.
i think gannon was a far bettr qb than palmer has been, and i cant remember gannon being the main reason for losses because of bone headed ints the way palmer has been.
I also dont remember gannon throwing as many int returned for td, or nearly as many multiple pick games as a raider.
besides my take on plamer is based om his entre stay here as a raider not isolated to one year, so a fair comparison would be to look at palmer vs gannon for their first 25 games in silver and black.
gannon 43 td 30 turn overs 16 wins
palmer 35 tds 33 turn overs 7 wins
so gannon has more wins fewer turn overs and more td
December 10th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: December 10th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Mike mitchell had his best game as a pro vs the donkeys.
There has to be a way to give this man a start for the rest of the year. he was beyond solid on special teams and on defense he stood out with a sack and tfl
…………………………………………………………………….
I actually think it would benefit the team if they moved tyvon over to free safety and started mike mitch at strong… I really think that would help, I know tyvon cant be any worse at free than what gio is…
***********
i’ve long thought this. branch is a natural FS. less pure coverage and more breaking fast to the ball in flight. plus he can crack wr’s coming over the middle. he could free wheel and would be great in my opinion.
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This was talked about in here last year.
Does Branch have the instinct to play center field?
Probably not.
His angles and anticipation are suspect, and his hands may as well be feet.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Raider O Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
what happened to the ROMAC fans??
#55 is the next Ray Lewis. It all starts this week when Tarver unveils the new look 3-4 Defense with Kelly in the middle and Gaither next to McClain at ILB.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Frantz Joseph was the next Ray Lewis!
I liked McClain too. You should worry when I like a LB.
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Personally, I don’t understand the fascination with everyone want to switch to a 3-4. But I digress ….
Did anyone else notice how rarely Gaither saw the field against the Donkeys this week? I rewatched the whole first half looking to see how he did. What I saw was a nickel defense on damn near every down for the Raiders. Of course the Donks stayed in a 3 WR set the entire time.
As thin as the Raiders are at DB I guess this was a good strategy for the Donks. Even more so as the injuries started piling up. Still bummed that I couldn’t get a better idea if Gaither can do anything or not in this defense. Or at least be better than McClain was.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
cwolfman,
i wasnt a gannon fan either, i have always said he was a glorified journey man that experienced a resurgence after hooking up with brown and company.
i think gannon was a far bettr qb than palmer has been, and i cant remember gannon being the main reason for losses because of bone headed ints the way palmer has been.
I also dont remember gannon throwing as many int returned for td, or nearly as many multiple pick games as a raider.
besides my take on plamer is based om his entre stay here as a raider not isolated to one year, so a fair comparison would be to look at palmer vs gannon for their first 25 games in silver and black.
gannon 43 td 30 turn overs 16 wins
palmer 35 tds 33 turn overs 7 wins
so gannon has more wins fewer turn overs and more td
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Ummm, Gannon had the best running game in the NFL when he took over. Palmer has the worst.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Let me be clear as far as my original point:
We have largely the same personnel as last year, and a whole new staff… and due to that coaching… we suck.
Don’t worry I won’t resort to childish insults. I would like to know exactly how that point could be refuted, though.
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What your argument is, which seems kind of silly is we have the same guys playing. I pointed out, we have two new corners, two new LB’s, I didn’t even get to the fact that we have a new DE, new Oline players, a new TE, new RB’s, not to mention two new receivers. The Whiners brought back basically 20 out of 22 starters. If your point that moving Mike Huff from FS to CB is the same personnel, I kind of find that silly that’s all. There is a huge difference between playing FS and playing LC. It’s not just DB.
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Yes this is silly…but eff it. I will entertain you:
Opening day…we had exactly ONE new starter on offense (Brisiel)
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Uh, Streator, Parsons, and Briesel started in week one on offense against SD in addition to Carlisle switching positions and the changes on defense. But you are just trying to trick me right?
December 10th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
I don’t think DA is aware of Palmer’s TD to INT ratio, or the Raiders record while Palmer has has the starting job.
Mystic,
Maybe you can shoot DA an email. I’m sure he has merely overlooked this and you should make him aware of this fact.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
lol at lechler being “a 1st ballot hof” player
players give long winded answers all of the time yet they say very little.
If you expect a player to air out a coach especially a special team player that has competition waiting in the wings then you have a misconception about the nfl and human nature to protect their stake.
wouldnt surprise me, you were wrong about palmer too.
You also didnt want to acknowledge the need to pay pryor for evaluation in favor of palmer.
so it does not surprise me that you wouldnt know about empty platitudes served up by players in a contract year
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Every bit of this is your opinion. And with all due respect, your opinion is generally considered the most laughable and biased on the blog. I am not laughable and biased. I state facts. When you are a 9 time All Pro and on the NFL All Decade Team, you are probably going to the Hall. Players actually RARELY give long winded answers because they know they can be easily misconstrued. As I said Lechler did not HAVE to say anything. He did. You consider he is lying. With no evidence, That just reflects on your character more than anything.
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no evidence?
lol
you mean the tons of documented instances of pro players coaches, managers executives and owners lying doent equal evidence?
Now that is laughable
players lie ALL of the time, no player in thier right mind would trash the head coach, especially a special teams expendable player.
too funny
December 10th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Raiders will try and get McClain on the field so maybe get his value up, They will try to trade McClain after the season
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I don’t think that’s such a good idea. His value could go down.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Raider E Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
I don’t think DA is aware of Palmer’s TD to INT ratio, or the Raiders record while Palmer has has the starting job.
Mystic,
Maybe you can shoot DA an email. I’m sure he has merely overlooked this and you should make him aware of this fact.
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i guarantee allen is fully aware of palmers turn overs so is the entire nfl for that matter.
defenses drool when he starts that no huddle or starts changing lays at the line. They know a pick is soon coming
December 10th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: December 10th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Mike mitchell had his best game as a pro vs the donkeys.
There has to be a way to give this man a start for the rest of the year. he was beyond solid on special teams and on defense he stood out with a sack and tfl
…………………………………………………………………….
I actually think it would benefit the team if they moved tyvon over to free safety and started mike mitch at strong… I really think that would help, I know tyvon cant be any worse at free than what gio is…
***********
i’ve long thought this. branch is a natural FS. less pure coverage and more breaking fast to the ball in flight. plus he can crack wr’s coming over the middle. he could free wheel and would be great in my opinion.
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This was talked about in here last year.
Does Branch have the instinct to play center field?
Probably not.
His angles and anticipation are suspect, and his hands may as well be feet.
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Branch is certainly better as a strong safety. He is more of a sure tackler, good at covering TE’s and better in run support.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Since 2003 …besides woodson has ANY …oakland player left (cut or free agency) been very GOOD (not even great) on another team?
If so, list them.
betting its small list…
DE on seattle…clemons…who else?
pretty sad really…esp considering the bs line we always hear about being such a ‘talented’ roster
hogwash…
December 10th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Morilla Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Raiders will try and get McClain on the field so maybe get his value up, They will try to trade McClain after the season
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I don’t think that’s such a good idea. His value could go down.
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Also risks injury
December 10th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
cwolfman,
i wasnt a gannon fan either, i have always said he was a glorified journey man that experienced a resurgence after hooking up with brown and company.
i think gannon was a far bettr qb than palmer has been, and i cant remember gannon being the main reason for losses because of bone headed ints the way palmer has been.
I also dont remember gannon throwing as many int returned for td, or nearly as many multiple pick games as a raider.
besides my take on plamer is based om his entre stay here as a raider not isolated to one year, so a fair comparison would be to look at palmer vs gannon for their first 25 games in silver and black.
gannon 43 td 30 turn overs 16 wins
palmer 35 tds 33 turn overs 7 wins
so gannon has more wins fewer turn overs and more td
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Ummm, Gannon had the best running game in the NFL when he took over. Palmer has the worst.
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that has nothing to do with what we were discussing
December 10th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Morilla Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Raiders will try and get McClain on the field so maybe get his value up, They will try to trade McClain after the season
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I don’t think that’s such a good idea. His value could go down.
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LOL! they really need to suit another player up in his jersey to have any hope of his value going up. more playing time equals more tape of his sucking.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: December 10th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Mike mitchell had his best game as a pro vs the donkeys.
There has to be a way to give this man a start for the rest of the year. he was beyond solid on special teams and on defense he stood out with a sack and tfl
…………………………………………………………………….
I actually think it would benefit the team if they moved tyvon over to free safety and started mike mitch at strong… I really think that would help, I know tyvon cant be any worse at free than what gio is…
***********
i’ve long thought this. branch is a natural FS. less pure coverage and more breaking fast to the ball in flight. plus he can crack wr’s coming over the middle. he could free wheel and would be great in my opinion.
———————————————-
This was talked about in here last year.
Does Branch have the instinct to play center field?
Probably not.
His angles and anticipation are suspect, and his hands may as well be feet.
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We are not talking about “trashing” anything. He came out in support of the staff. He was not in a congressional hearing. So either he is telling the truth or lying. You claim he is lying. You have no evidence of that. Sucks to be you.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Mr P/I
how’s it goin 
Some people 
just don’t get it 
when the Raidahs have a legit coaching staff 
we will be a better football team. 
until then we just got to hold our breath 
December 10th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Ummm, Gannon had the best running game in the NFL when he took over. Palmer has the worst.
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that has nothing to do with what we were discussing
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proof positive that missdick just has no clue.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
no evidence?
lol
you mean the tons of documented instances of pro players coaches, managers executives and owners lying doent equal evidence?
Now that is laughable
players lie ALL of the time, no player in thier right mind would trash the head coach, especially a special teams expendable player.
too funny
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Sorry that was strange. Meant for this comment.
We are not talking about “trashing” anything. He came out in support of the staff. He was not in a congressional hearing. So either he is telling the truth or lying. You claim he is lying. You have no evidence of that. Sucks to be you.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Sorry about that guys. Obviously did not copy right.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Branch is certainly better as a strong safety. He is more of a sure tackler, good at covering TE’s and better in run support.
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Branch is a hustle player with speed and strength which I respect, but he lacks instinct, and is not worth what the Raiders are obligated to pay Him.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Pryor might get some mop up duty, but I’m gonna stick to my first feeling.
Pryor will not start. He is an Al pick, so by no fault of his own, he has already been written off.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
umm oak had number 2 rush attack in 2011…palmer qb then no?
December 10th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
my hometown team (notre dame) and my alma mater (indiana) are both sitting at #1, so i’m not feeling too bad about sports right now.
plus, i get to beat on missdick every day so that’s something.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
no evidence?
lol
you mean the tons of documented instances of pro players coaches, managers executives and owners lying doent equal evidence?
Now that is laughable
players lie ALL of the time, no player in thier right mind would trash the head coach, especially a special teams expendable player.
too funny
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Sorry that was strange. Meant for this comment.
We are not talking about “trashing” anything. He came out in support of the staff. He was not in a congressional hearing. So either he is telling the truth or lying. You claim he is lying. You have no evidence of that. Sucks to be you.
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bush if he said anything other than what could be deemed ’supportive’ as you put it it would be trashing the staff.
That would jeopardize his future earnings either with this team or the next.
lechler is smart enough to know this, he just witnessed the romac debacle.
Cmon bush
December 10th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Branch is certainly better as a strong safety. He is more of a sure tackler, good at covering TE’s and better in run support.
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Branch is a hustle player with speed and strength which I respect, but he lacks instinct, and is not worth what the Raiders are obligated to pay Him.
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branch, for some reason, takes a lot of heat in here.
but according to tarver, mike mayock, and me, he’s a good player and one of the best on our team. and apparently, a lot of nfl people agree, given his flirtation with the pro bowl every year.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
has this ever happened?
the team basically makes an announcement that this will be your last 3 games, so make sure to play well in your audition for other teams…
we’d be lucky to get a 4th rounder for Palmer & Ford like we gave Detroit for McCown & Williams during the ‘07 draft
think McClain carries any value? LOL!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
MCClain will not suit up for the remainder of the Season.
He’s on the roster per the CBA, but has played His last down in Oakland.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
mcclain could still pull a 5th rounder
December 10th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Tyvon Branch is AWFUL in coverage.
a safety that can’t cover is as good as a WR that can’t catch
December 10th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
reggie wants two things:
1) see if he can get anything for mcclain in the offseason
2) keep him from going to a good team and help his career
December 10th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
romac wont bring much value in a trade
bad game film
questionable work habbits
the mug shot and arrest
suspended for conduct
December 10th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Branch is certainly better as a strong safety. He is more of a sure tackler, good at covering TE’s and better in run support.
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Branch is a hustle player with speed and strength which I respect, but he lacks instinct, and is not worth what the Raiders are obligated to pay Him.
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Both Shaughnessy and Branch were supposed to take the “next step” and develop into all world type players. Both have at best plateaued maybe regressed, particularly Shaughnessy. Those are two big reasons we have not been better on defense.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Tyvon Branch is AWFUL in coverage.
a safety that can’t cover is as good as a WR that can’t catch
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i wouldn’t say awful, but he struggles at times.
this is why he would make a great FS. scan the field and go help when the ball is in flight. big hitter would cause fumbles. defend a lot of passes.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
peace
December 10th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
branch, for some reason, takes a lot of heat in here.
but according to tarver, mike mayock, and me, he’s a good player and one of the best on our team. and apparently, a lot of nfl people agree, given his flirtation with the pro bowl every year.
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I’d just say that if Branch is the standard bearer of our defense, it’s an indictment of how bad it is.
I like Mayock, but who else did he have to talk about on our defense in a positive light on Thursday?
Flirting with the Pro Bowl is just that.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Dr Bob,
Branch needs to stay in the box at all times where he can rack up tackles 5 or 6 yards downfield on RB’s
helping cover WR’s? trying to go solo on TE’s?
yeah – not good. pass
December 10th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
branch, for some reason, takes a lot of heat in here.
but according to tarver, mike mayock, and me, he’s a good player and one of the best on our team. and apparently, a lot of nfl people agree, given his flirtation with the pro bowl every year.
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I’d just say that if Branch is the standard bearer of our defense, it’s an indictment of how bad it is.
I like Mayock, but who else did he have to talk about on our defense in a positive light on Thursday?
Flirting with the Pro Bowl is just that.
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branch is not a perfect player but he makes a lot of plays. he has been seen chasing guys down from behind, running full speed while others give up. he occasionally has problems with coverage but he’s an asset. most nfl people would agree. it’s huff that sucks.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Chuck B made Tyvon Branch!!
he sucked before Bresnahan. he sucks after him
should we re-hire Chuck so that Branch is at least average again?
December 10th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
bush if he said anything other than what could be deemed ’supportive’ as you put it it would be trashing the staff.
That would jeopardize his future earnings either with this team or the next.
lechler is smart enough to know this, he just witnessed the romac debacle.
Cmon bush
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Let’s just say for the sake of argument, he thinks this whole org is garbage. Well, he has two options, keep his gob shut, or speak his mind. And let’s just say he comes out and says he wonders what they are doing around here. Randy Moss did. 13 year guys on their way to Hall get a bit more lenience than say, a 2nd year long snapper would. Lechler has earned the right to mouth off if he so wanted. He didn’t. So either he is telling the truth or lying. You seem to think he is lying. I find that kind of ridiculous, especially without any evidence, e.g., he contradicted that statement somewhere else, or he has a history of lying. He has neither, and is one of the longest tenured players, a team captain, our emergency 3rd QB and someone other players look up to. I find your speculations kind of out of left field.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Huff SUCKS is an understatement!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Branch hustles. I like that
we can get that from just about any late round pick or undrafted player
December 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
branch is not a perfect player but he makes a lot of plays. he has been seen chasing guys down from behind, running full speed while others give up. he occasionally has problems with coverage but he’s an asset. most nfl people would agree. it’s huff that sucks.
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I respect Branch for what He does, as I said earlier.
He’s a hustle player that is strong, but lacks instinct.
It’s obvious.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Dr Bob,
Branch needs to stay in the box at all times where he can rack up tackles 5 or 6 yards downfield on RB’s
helping cover WR’s? trying to go solo on TE’s?
yeah – not good. pass
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FS’s help over the top. SS’s usually are the ones covering TE’s. his presence in the box is nice, but FS actually fees him from most coverage (that’s why they call it FREE). however mitchell would potentially make a nice FS too. they like both of them at SS cuz of their LB-like tackling, but both of them, while very fast, aren’t the greatest at coverage. i personally would like to see one of them go to FS, where thye could roam the middle on crossing routes, and use their speed to break on balls in flight, and help in downfield tackling.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
please fire reggie now!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
when u guys come in here and only post “fire reggie”, who exactly are u talking to?
December 10th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Mitchell and Branch both lack instinct.
To set them free just means Free to fuuuuck up.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Lechler has a bad attitude about the Raiders saying “but this is Oakland”.
Is that something a “leader” of your team should say about the org. that made him the highest paid punter of all time?
It may be justified to make that kind of crack about the org. but just doesn’t seem right.
Imagine if everyone on the team talked like that.
“Well we had a bad game today, but it’s Oakland; what do you expect?”
I can’t imagine any other player from another team talking like that about his team.
Maybe if we spent less money on our punter we’d have more to spend other places to help make sure we don’t have to have a punter bail us out every damn time in the first place.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Fans that defend Reggie’s regime are the same fans that preached patience with JaMarcus.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
how about reggie signing awaksi ps player that he cut previously this season…lmao…he doesnt even know who he wants to practice! Fantasy football guy…
December 10th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Mitchell and Branch both lack instinct.
To set them free just means Free to fuuuuck up.
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i’ve seen no evidence of this. only of their troubles in coverage. they’re both hunters. let them hunt with the whole field in front of them. “sick ball! sick ball!!!”
December 10th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
when u guys come in here and only post “fire reggie”, who exactly are u talking to?
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Reggie.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
“Fire Reggie Now” is a pipe dream and ultimately is just pissing into the wind.
Revolutionaries and agitators…lol
Reggie will be around for a while.
All the others will be up to Reggie.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Lechler has a bad attitude about the Raiders saying “but this is Oakland”.
Is that something a “leader” of your team should say about the org. that made him the highest paid punter of all time?
It may be justified to make that kind of crack about the org. but just doesn’t seem right.
Imagine if everyone on the team talked like that.
“Well we had a bad game today, but it’s Oakland; what do you expect?”
I can’t imagine any other player from another team talking like that about his team.
Maybe if we spent less money on our punter we’d have more to spend other places to help make sure we don’t have to have a punter bail us out every damn time in the first place.
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good point. he has made comments like this before. on to the marquette king era! the “punting wave of the future”!
December 10th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Fans that defend Reggie’s regime are the same fans that preached patience with JaMarcus.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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ur beyond boring at this point.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Len, that is what you said about Kiffin.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
umm oak had number 2 rush attack in 2011…palmer qb then no?
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That would sound better if it were true. #2 in 2011 belonged to noone other than Knapp’s Houston Texans.
Now Raiders were #7 overall, but that was largely based on the first 4-5 games. DMac was healthy and the defense was playing tough, letting the Raiders keep the ball on the ground a lot. Even then a lot of those yards came from busting long runs, where they were 2nd overall in runs over 20.
After DMac got hurt, Bush started hot but tapered off. He ran for under 80 yards in all 6 of the last games of the season, or 3/4s of Palmer’s starts. He didn’t even break 70 in 3 of those games.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Len, that is what you said about Kiffin.
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holy sh!t! he didn’t even say fire reggie! he’s evolving!
December 10th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
when u guys come in here and only post “fire reggie”, who exactly are u talking to?
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The other bronco fans.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Mitchell and Branch both lack instinct.
To set them free just means Free to fuuuuck up.
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i’ve seen no evidence of this. only of their troubles in coverage. they’re both hunters. let them hunt with the whole field in front of them. “sick ball! sick ball!!!”
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I hear you.
I’m not seeing it, but at this point I’m down with experimentation.
So let’s do it. lol
It would help clarify the situation.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
If Mark wants Reggie gone, He’s GONE.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
when u guys come in here and only post “fire reggie”, who exactly are u talking to?
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Reggie.
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LOL!
December 10th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
good point. he has made comments like this before. on to the marquette king era! the “punting wave of the future”!
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The new athletic punters of the future will change the game with their running ability. Fake punts turned into 50 yard runs will become the norm, as the NFL has never seen players that can run like this yet punt with all the distance and hang time of their contemporaries.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Len, that is what you said about Kiffin.
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What did I say 5 years ago, you’ll have to remind me of specifics.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
If Mark wants Reggie gone, He’s GONE.
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so ur talking to mark?
December 10th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
What’s up
I’m just here aquiring football wisdom. Or trying to.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
It is a fact.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
good point. he has made comments like this before. on to the marquette king era! the “punting wave of the future”!
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The new athletic punters of the future will change the game with their running ability. Fake punts turned into 50 yard runs will become the norm, as the NFL has never seen players that can run like this yet punt with all the distance and hang time of their contemporaries.
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LOL! i’m running with this. this will be my new rant. missdick gives us so much.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
What’s up I’m just here aquiring football wisdom. Or trying to.
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Probably be better served to google it.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
It is a fact.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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“fire reggie now” is a fact?
December 10th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
i’m not so sure dr. hunter i an actual doctor.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/register/joingroup
group ID #14891
password aldavis
new link for bowl pick em contest
December 10th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
i’m not so sure dr. hunter i an actual doctor.
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What kind of Doctor?
I grew up with a Guy that calls Himself a Horse Doctor.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Seymour Bush Says: December 10th, 2012 at 5:15 pmJONTRAIN Says:December 10th, 2012 at 5:00 pmSeymour Bush Says:December 10th, 2012 at 4:46 pmLet me be clear as far as my original point:We have largely the same personnel as last year, and a whole new staff… and due to that coaching… we suck.Don’t worry I won’t resort to childish insults. I would like to know exactly how that point could be refuted, though.===============================================What your argument is, which seems kind of silly is we have the same guys playing. I pointed out, wis have two new corners, two new LB’s, I didn’t even get to the fact that we have a new DE, new Oline players, a new TE, new RB’s, not to mention two new receivers. The Whiners brought back basically 20 out of 22 starters. If your point that moving Mike Huff from FS to CB is the same personnel, I kind of find that silly that’s all. There is a huge difference between playing FS and playing LC. It’s not just DB.####Yes this is silly…but eff it. I will entertain you:Opening day…we had exactly ONE new starter on offense (Brisiel)=======================================Uh, Streator, Parsons, and Briesel started in week one on offense against SD in addition to Carlisle switching positions and the changes on defense. But you are just trying to trick me right?
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They started due to injury. And you know that. Then Wiz and D Moore returned. Try again. Im not sure if you are too obtuse to understand the simple statement I made or just too stubborn to say ” oh my bad jon train…I jumped the gun trying tear down a very simple observation of bad coaching of largely the same personnel…because im too wrapped up in being a confrontational blog board d bag who only knows how to argue small points which dont even support a larger argument”
Fuchouttahere with that bs. Or keep trying to prove something to me that Ive already disproved with simple arithmetic lol
December 10th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
He’s a Veterinarian in Fresno.
His Father was our families GP growing up, and lived 3 doors down.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
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dude what kool aid do you drink…knapp sucks
December 10th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
That route Welker just ran — none of our receivers could dream of running something like that.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
It frustrates me to no end at how sorry the talent is on this team. Watching other NFL teams reminds me how poorly stocked we are. I know, I’m beating a dead horse. But it kills me.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
St. Louis Rams 2010= 7-9 2011= 2-14 2012=6-6-1
Oakland Raiders 2010=8-8 2011=8-8 2012= 3-10
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If Rams can turn it around so can we.
“But they have Bradford to build around.”
Bradford’s highest QB rating is 83.8..and it’s THIS YR.
Palmer’s is 85.3 even with all the drops.
Rams got rid of 24 players who are not even in the league anymore.
Rams picked up Cortland Finnegan, Scott Wells and Kendall Langford (at DT/DE). NOT a major free agent splurge but significant.
Their draft was SOLID with 4 immediate impact players.
A good GM can get it done.
“But they have Fisher as HC”.
If DA is that far below Fisher in ability and is that much of a liability than he shouldn’t even be here and Reggie should be capable of making similar moves since he spent all those yr’s helping build GB.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Sorry Shane, Seabass, that we’ve wasted the prime of your career with such a trash team, year after year.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Trevor Scott.
One of Al’s.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
St. Louis Rams 2010= 7-9 2011= 2-14 2012=6-6-1
Oakland Raiders 2010=8-8 2011=8-8 2012= 3-10
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If Rams can turn it around so can we.
“But they have Bradford to build around.”
Bradford’s highest QB rating is 83.8..and it’s THIS YR.
Palmer’s is 85.3 even with all the drops.
Rams got rid of 24 players who are not even in the league anymore.
Rams picked up Cortland Finnegan, Scott Wells and Kendall Langford (at DT/DE). NOT a major free agent splurge but significant.
Their draft was SOLID with 4 immediate impact players.
A good GM can get it done.
“But they have Fisher as HC”.
If DA is that far below Fisher in ability and is that much of a liability than he shouldn’t even be here and Reggie should be capable of making similar moves since he spent all those yr’s helping build GB.
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Exactly. I’m tired of these “4 year” excuses. Plenty of teams have shown that you can turn it around in ONE year, not FOUR. If we get a great draft, grab a few key free agents, no reason why we can’t be a force to be reckoned with next year. If DA isn’t capable, show him the door.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
2012 the year of the excuse, 2013 no excuses
December 10th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Im wondering the same thing Gruden, this new Reggime has made some head scratching moves
December 10th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
St. Louis Rams 2010= 7-9 2011= 2-14 2012=6-6-1
Oakland Raiders 2010=8-8 2011=8-8 2012= 3-10
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If Rams can turn it around so can we.
“But they have Bradford to build around.”
Bradford’s highest QB rating is 83.8..and it’s THIS YR.
Palmer’s is 85.3 even with all the drops.
Rams got rid of 24 players who are not even in the league anymore.
Rams picked up Cortland Finnegan, Scott Wells and Kendall Langford (at DT/DE). NOT a major free agent splurge but significant.
Their draft was SOLID with 4 immediate impact players.
A good GM can get it done.
“But they have Fisher as HC”.
If DA is that far below Fisher in ability and is that much of a liability than he shouldn’t even be here and Reggie should be capable of making similar moves since he spent all those yr’s helping build GB.
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You could not have said it any better.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Trevor Scott, Satelle, Sterling Moore, Stevie Brown, Murphy, Whimbley – the list goes on and on
December 10th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
ChrisinNC Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Sorry Shane, Seabass, that we’ve wasted the prime of your career with such a trash team, year after year.
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Thats a damn lie! No way Lechler gets to practice punting so much on a better team!
December 10th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Jeez. If we could get a dominant defensive force like JJ Watt, that would change the whole complexion of this team. Is the guy from Utah the only guy in the draft who’s supposed to have that potential?
December 10th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Meanwhile we have the highest paid special teams in the NFL!
December 10th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Raidertalk Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
ChrisinNC Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Sorry Shane, Seabass, that we’ve wasted the prime of your career with such a trash team, year after year.
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Thats a damn lie! No way Lechler gets to practice punting so much on a better team!
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Lol. Touche.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
“Slumping Ravens fire offensive coordinator Cameron”
Reggie please take a note of this a 9-4 team is even comfortable firing an OC in the season
December 10th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Seymour back in New England next year for league minimum – makes the pro bowl…
December 10th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
NE looks unstoppable on offense – hope they smack the Niners next week.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Post 285 you do know coaches teach players how to run routes right? And they are also responsible for drawing up the routes that players run right? Smh I bet if moore or heyward bey played for a teal coach like they have in ne theyd look better as well… Move along please.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
This is going to be a Hoodie route.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
If Mark wants Reggie gone, He’s GONE.
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Yes, but he doesn’t want Reggie gone, nor should he.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
“Chiefs’ Bowe to miss Oakland game with rib injury”
Looks like the Chiefs are hedging their bets for the numero uno draft pic.
We counter by activating McClain
The hunt for #1 continues…
December 10th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Opening day…we had exactly ONE new starter on offense (Brisiel)
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I refuted every single thing you have said. Clearly and concisely. You also said this:
Don’t worry I won’t resort to childish insults.
Then this: because im too wrapped up in being a confrontational blog board d bag who only knows how to argue small points which dont even support a larger argument”
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Clearly you are losing this argument. We have almost half of our defense is different, our offensive line is different, our TE is different, we have three new WR’s, and two new backup RB’s who are extremely importatnt knowing McFaddens injury history. So basically that is 4-5 new starters on each team. But somehow you have the “basically same Personnel” thing stuck so you can blame the coaching staff. And now you are name calling. I have stuck to facts, you have danced around like you are in Madonna’s entourage. Anything else?
December 10th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Reggie has had a very poor year. plain and simple. It started with allowing knapp to be hired, then keeping Seymour instead cutting him and saving the roster bonus of 7.5. Reggie in his wisdom then gives seymour a new contract which when cut next year hits our cap by 5.5. He then surprisingly franchises Branch then also decides to give him a long time contract. He then whiffs big time on bartell and spencer as our 1 and 2 cbs. He then gives Briesel a 20 mil contract that when he is cut next year he hits our cap by 2.7 million. His 3rd round draft pick is a 26 year old OL who cant beat out willie smith, throw in a restructuring of CP3 contract so he gets 16 mil next year and you have a rookie gm who failed his first year.
IF REGGIE WAS A DR HE WOULD BE SUED FOR MALPRACTICE!!!
but he’ll probably get another year anyway..
December 10th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Post 285 you do know coaches teach players how to run routes right? And they are also responsible for drawing up the routes that players run right? Smh I bet if moore or heyward bey played for a teal coach like they have in ne theyd look better as well… Move along please.
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Right. Let’s blame it all on the coaches. Players forget how to run a route unless a coach draws it on the whiteboard for them.
Brilliant.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
yeah thats it satanic 666 man…
im as far from a racist as u can get…
but u know what ill admit i didnt think of that…ill use c instead of a k from here on out…
not that i have to explain myself to an a55hat like u but i will to everyone else who doesnt know me….
i used the K and Es etc because it FIT the absurdity of the dumb coaching staff we have (bad spelling CAPS extra vowels etc…)
that said im man enuf to admit i should have been more sensitive to other (erroneous) interpretations…
btw hows that beelzebub/h3ll on earth stuff workin out for u?
you must be pretty busy with the earth coming to an end stuff on 12/21…so maybe u are just stressed out from “work”…no worries i think we can all relate…
December 10th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
If we beat the Chiefs – it will be doubly bad, we will drop 2-3 picks in the draft and will give false hope that Allen can turn it around. Pryor goes in a balls out but D lays another egg.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Trevor Scott.
One of Al’s.
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Gruden just openly questions “why” the Oakland Raiders cut him. Ask the New Era of Excellence team Jon! Jon must be ribbing Mark to come back…And what did Trevor Scott say about our last head coach?
“I think Hue Jackson getting hired as a head coach is a huge step forward,” Scott stated with Richardson very much approving. “It kind of stinks seeing coach Cable go . . . he did nothing but go up every single year, so best wishes to him, but I feel like Hue Jackson is going to take that next step to where we were and he’s going to take us to where we want to go and that is to win the AFC Championship and then win the Super Bowl.”
December 10th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
I think that crazy rightwing fool MistyBrowns favorite saying “Mope and Change” goes way better with this new Raider Regime than with the Pres
December 10th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Reggie has had a very poor year. plain and simple. It started with allowing knapp to be hired, then keeping Seymour instead cutting him and saving the roster bonus of 7.5. Reggie in his wisdom then gives seymour a new contract which when cut next year hits our cap by 5.5.
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Reggie said in his opening presser that the new coach could pick his own staff. Knapp’s hiring was all DA.
As for Seymour, Reggie can refuse to buy back Seymour’s contract and say goodbye to him with no cap hit.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
ChrisinNC Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Sorry Shane, Seabass, that we’ve wasted the prime of your career with such a trash team, year after year.
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One thing that I did like about Hue: he’d let SeaBass try for the record whenever he could justify it. DA has given him 1 shot I think? After frickin Akers lucked into a piece of the record with a 62.1 yard kick that would have bounced out if it were a half inch shorter, I want SeaBass to go get that record all by himself by kicking a 65 or so.
If I’m DA in this lost season, and looking at the talent that is SeaBass starting to age, I’m going to do everything in my power to get him that record.
4 and 3 from their 48, down 13-3 in the first quarter? Wheel in SeaBass.
Got the ball on the 20 with 51 seconds and 2 timeouts left in the first half? I give Palmer instructions to get that ball to the 50 and call a timeout. If you have someone open deep at the 30, F it! Throw the dump off to Reece and tell him to get out of bounds (on the right side) at the 50. Wheel in SeaBass.
Down by 27, mid 4th quarter and just got a 1st down at their 43? Take an intentional knee 5 yards deep and Wheel in SeaBass.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
aiderDuck Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Reggie has had a very poor year. plain and simple. It started with allowing knapp to be hired, then keeping Seymour instead cutting him and saving the roster bonus of 7.5. Reggie in his wisdom then gives seymour a new contract which when cut next year hits our cap by 5.5.
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Reggie said in his opening presser that the new coach could pick his own staff. Knapp’s hiring was all DA.
As for Seymour, Reggie can refuse to buy back Seymour’s contract and say goodbye to him with no cap hit.
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do you really think any NFL gm doesnt approve hiring of coaches? your wrong about Seymour , if cut next year his signing bonus is accelerated and hits our cap by 5.5 mil
December 10th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
They looked pretty good last year when they had another coach calling plays. Only things changed is the coach. And yes the run the routes theyre told to run, a sport.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
I guess we are back to where we should’ve always been Checkwa is at least activated and those wannabe corners are showimg what I always knew. They aint that good, what a waste! Losee DVD to the stinkin’ Steelers… thanks Reg, dummie!
December 10th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
raidertalk Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
“Chiefs’ Bowe to miss Oakland game with rib injury”
Looks like the Chiefs are hedging their bets for the numero uno draft pic.
We counter by activating McClain
The hunt for #1 continues…
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The Chiefs will blow us out.. Brady will look like the other Brady.. BOOK IT!
December 10th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
do you really think any NFL gm doesnt approve hiring of coaches? your wrong about Seymour , if cut next year his signing bonus is accelerated and hits our cap by 5.5 mil
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“The new coach will have the right to hire ANY ASSISTANT HE WANTS” (emphasis added) — Reggie, in his opening presser.
Casserly reported days ago that Seymour’s contract voids out at the end of the league year unless we buy back in. If we don’t buy back in, it expires with no cap hit.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
@Raidertalk: Bowe out so counter by bringing in McClain — that was Brilliant!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Confirmed on 967thegame that Dennis Allen has a 4 year fully guaranteed contract firing him would mean having to pay him 3 years of salary in a buy out. ugh….. Reggie…
December 10th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
RaiderReggie Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
St. Louis Rams 2010= 7-9 2011= 2-14 2012=6-6-1
Oakland Raiders 2010=8-8 2011=8-8 2012= 3-10
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If Rams can turn it around so can we.
“But they have Bradford to build around.”
Bradford’s highest QB rating is 83.8..and it’s THIS YR.
Palmer’s is 85.3 even with all the drops.
Rams got rid of 24 players who are not even in the league anymore.
Rams picked up Cortland Finnegan, Scott Wells and Kendall Langford (at DT/DE). NOT a major free agent splurge but significant.
Their draft was SOLID with 4 immediate impact players.
A good GM can get it done.
“But they have Fisher as HC”.
If DA is that far below Fisher in ability and is that much of a liability than he shouldn’t even be here and Reggie should be capable of making similar moves since he spent all those yr’s helping build GB.
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You could not have said it any better.
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The Rams can run the ball with Stephen Jackson and two rookies. They are also not bad defensively. We cannot run the ball with Darren McFadden and we are terrible defensively. There is your difference.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Confirmed on 967thegame that Dennis Allen has a 4 year fully guaranteed contract firing him would mean having to pay him 3 years of salary in a buy out. ugh….. Reggie…
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That’s a standard NFL HC contract. Only Al was doing the “two-year deal with a string of team options at the end” contract, which is another reason we couldn’t get anyone decent.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Contracts are made to be brokes. Raiders waste money all the time. See every high paid roster guy on the team.
If Mark really wanted to get rid of DA this offseason he would. 4 million payout or whatever it is wouldnt be his concern.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Which is why Moore keeps running the wrong routes, and Palmer keeps glaring at him when he does. Because the coaches told him to. Keep going. This is getting better and better.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Tom Brady is one of those futuristic running Q’s right?
December 10th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
do you really think any NFL gm doesnt approve hiring of coaches? your wrong about Seymour , if cut next year his signing bonus is accelerated and hits our cap by 5.5 mil
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“The new coach will have the right to hire ANY ASSISTANT HE WANTS” (emphasis added) — Reggie, in his opening presser.
Casserly reported days ago that Seymour’s contract voids out at the end of the league year unless we buy back in. If we don’t buy back in, it expires with no cap hit.
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LOL..and if DA wanted to hire sandusky reggie would have let him. To think Reggie didnt approve of Knapp is foolish, but its all opinion anyway. so we will just have to disagree.
Do you have a link for the casserly report, there is a roster bonus that we can avoid if cut as is his salary. but the signing bonus already paid was spread out over 4 years so if he’s cut that signing bonus is accelerated and counts towards the cap next year by 5.5 mil
December 10th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Confirmed on 967thegame that Dennis Allen has a 4 year fully guaranteed contract firing him would mean having to pay him 3 years of salary in a buy out. ugh….. Reggie…
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That’s a standard NFL HC contract. Only Al was doing the “two-year deal with a string of team options at the end” contract, which is another reason we couldn’t get anyone decent.
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Oh what a list Reggie had…Marty Mohrenweig was on it. The most impressive one was Todd Browles, but we sign the the Denver DC who was 24th in the league on defense and is becoming the worst Raider coach in history.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Yeah and I heard Knapp is damn near the highest paid OC in the NFL, lets hope Reggie didn’t use this new “standard” when signing this clown
December 10th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
ChrisinNC Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Which is why Moore keeps running the wrong routes, and Palmer keeps glaring at him when he does. Because the coaches told him to. Keep going. This is getting better and better.
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Moore keeps running the wrong routes because he started believing his own press clippings and stopped paying attention, conveniently forgetting that NOBODY outside the bay area knows who he is.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Wtf is the point of hiring offensive coaches and wide recievers coaches if they cant coach players up on how to run routes or plays the way they want them ran? Whats the point in paying coaches if they have no effect on the outcome of the game? And you cant say they lack talent because these recievers made plays last year and were good enough to be ranked 10th on offense so its been proven theyre capable. Yes that lack of talent argument is valid on defense because theyve been horrible for a while now but offense was a strength of ours and now its a weakness. There is no doubt in my mind coaching is responsible for the regression of the offense.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Well its kind of a wash with the Bartel; Reggie signed Adams didn’t he
December 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
This team wont get back on the right track till they have a PROVEN HC.. a superbowl winning HC would be even better.
Not somebody that cant even get his team up to beat the BROWNS at home.
Were talking about winning division titles, winning championship games.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
They’ll put in some trick play for TP, and call that playing him.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
This team wont get back on the right track till they have a PROVEN HC.. a superbowl winning HC would be even better.
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And we’re not going to get one if they think they’ll get canned in a year. Like him or not, we’re committed to DA for at least one more season, bare minimum.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Which is why Moore keeps running the wrong routes, and Palmer keeps glaring at him when he does. Because the coaches told him to. Keep going. This is getting better and better.
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WTF, how do you know anybody is running the wrong route? You don’t have a fkin clue if they ran the wrong route unless you know the playbook and the play that was called
December 10th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Raidertalk Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Well its kind of a wash with the Bartel; Reggie signed Adams didn’t he
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isnt premature to call Adams a starting nfl cb?
December 10th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Ya were gonna get one.. All we need is ONE.. all we need is GRUDEN.
Chucky, HUE jackson the only two coaches worth a dayum the last 20 yrs.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Anyone see what Stevie brown has been doing since his raiders days
Has more interceptions than the whole team
Fire mckenzie
Coaches not working
Draft didn’t work
Poor choices lecher wants out and they r beefing about a stadium who gives a crapola
A long road
December 10th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
I was refering to Gruden my last few post.
Dont gimme this he would come here? yes he is angling for DA’s JOB RIGHT NOW.. but Mark is stick with DA
December 10th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
They’ll put in some trick play for TP, and call that playing him.
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Suiting him up is the special package they put in for him. You got start with basics, like tieing your shoes, getting your jersey on facing forward, etc.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Which is why Moore keeps running the wrong routes, and Palmer keeps glaring at him when he does. Because the coaches told him to. Keep going. This is getting better and better.
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WTF, how do you know anybody is running the wrong route? You don’t have a fkin clue if they ran the wrong route unless you know the playbook and the play that was called
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When Palmer’s throw is 10 yards off the mark and he gives Moore a glare all the way to the sidelines, it’s fair to say who screwed up. Moore’s turning into a diva, unfortunately.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Raidertalk Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Well its kind of a wash with the Bartel; Reggie signed Adams didn’t he
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isnt premature to call Adams a starting nfl cb?
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Why not? Half this blog has already annointed Pryor to the Pro Bowl.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Mark is stuck with DA* and so are the fans
December 10th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
I was refering to Gruden my last few post.
Dont gimme this he would come here? yes he is angling for DA’s JOB RIGHT NOW.. but Mark is stick with DA
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Good. Gruden was a good coach in his day, but history suggests he’d be a disaster the second time around.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Which is why Moore keeps running the wrong routes, and Palmer keeps glaring at him when he does. Because the coaches told him to. Keep going. This is getting better and better.
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WTF, how do you know anybody is running the wrong route? You don’t have a fkin clue if they ran the wrong route unless you know the playbook and the play that was called
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When Palmer’s throw is 10 yards off the mark and he gives Moore a glare all the way to the sidelines, it’s fair to say who screwed up. Moore’s turning into a diva, unfortunately.
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And when you then notice that Palmer only does this with Moore.
I saw one play where he threw it where the WR wasn’t (think it was Criner or Streater) and Palmer tapped his chest and indicated “my bad on the read”. You don’t see him do that with Moore.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
When Palmer’s throw is 10 yards off the mark and he gives Moore a glare all the way to the sidelines, it’s fair to say who screwed up. Moore’s turning into a diva, unfortunately.
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why is it on moore? how do you know its not just PALMER overthrowing again? The same throws he makes with all of his INTS
December 10th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Considering we have Allen and the entire cast of clowns staff to pay for the next 3 years – another reason to ensure no way Gruden is back – unless its for 2014 season.. Maybe by then we’ll have some decent, players and be playing in LA, Carol Davis sold controlling interest of the team and we have money to get Gruden and Gruden fulfilled more of his MNF contract..
Probably a pipe dream. Watch Gruden take the Chargers job and Hue get the Chiefs job, ughhh….
December 10th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
This team wont get back on the right track till they have a PROVEN HC.. a superbowl winning HC would be even better.
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You guys think that Bill Belichik could come here, wave a magic wand, and we would automatically be 12-4. I hate to break it to you guys, but it ain’t gonna happen. Bellichik would come here, we would be 3-5 half way through the season and you all would be chanting “Gruden, Gruden…” It’s ridiculous really.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Suiting him up is the special package they put in for him. You got start with basics, like tieing your shoes, getting your jersey on facing forward, etc.
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Boy how insightful, are you always this informative?
December 10th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Which is why Moore keeps running the wrong routes, and Palmer keeps glaring at him when he does. Because the coaches told him to. Keep going. This is getting better and better.
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WTF, how do you know anybody is running the wrong route? You don’t have a fkin clue if they ran the wrong route unless you know the playbook and the play that was called
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When Palmer’s throw is 10 yards off the mark and he gives Moore a glare all the way to the sidelines, it’s fair to say who screwed up. Moore’s turning into a diva, unfortunately.
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And when you then notice that Palmer only does this with Moore.
I saw one play where he threw it where the WR wasn’t (think it was Criner or Streater) and Palmer tapped his chest and indicated “my bad on the read”. You don’t see him do that with Moore.
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He was letting DHB have it after one miscue on Thursday.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Stinkin Bigots the place is filled with them.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
You know the Chargers will make a push for Gruden – and they have the cash to pay it with Norv’s contract done and the whole front office being replaced…
December 10th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Raidertalk Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Well its kind of a wash with the Bartel; Reggie signed Adams didn’t he
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isnt premature to call Adams a starting nfl cb?
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Why not? Half this blog has already annointed Pryor to the Pro Bowl.
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lol and criner and streater are the next jerry rice and dwight clark combo..although i would like to see what pryor has to offer
December 10th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
We don’t need to worry about KC finishing above us in draft slot, they are def going to draft an Offensive player with #1 or #2 pick , they won’t go Dline for 4-5th year in a row
December 10th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
This team wont get back on the right track till they have a PROVEN HC.. a superbowl winning HC would be even better.
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You guys think that Bill Belichik could come here, wave a magic wand, and we would automatically be 12-4. I hate to break it to you guys, but it ain’t gonna happen. Bellichik would come here, we would be 3-5 half way through the season and you all would be chanting “Gruden, Gruden…” It’s ridiculous really.
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Almost as ridiculous as the people who think we could can DA, be looking for our fourth HC in as many years, and ANY top candidates would be remotely interested.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Damontre Moore should be the pick , guy is good against both pass/rush and would help DA/Tarver use Multiple scheme more , since he can line up anywhere from 4-3 End to 3-4 End to 3-4 OLB
December 10th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Btw what sucks is I dont think Damontre Moore is coming out in the draft. He hasnt decided but leaning towards going back to TEXAS AM
plus i read he just finally got into some Black fraternity down there.. so he is probaly gonna want another year in the college life.
however i did read a top 5 draft pick can change his choice
December 10th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
man the texans svck
December 10th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
who the heck is talking about Belicheck. Im only talking about one guy. The same guy that was talked about all last week. Jon Gruden. No need to go over that again.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
355. True but we want to get and trade the #1 pick to them for their 2013 1st,2nd and 2014 2nd. We’d still be in the top 5 to get an impact D player and still have a high 2nd.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
quack and mctroll love them some DA…
December 10th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Dez Bryant who i consider to be very good but not in the elite category like fitzgerald, calvin, andre johnson..etc had 0 tds in the fist 8 games, since then he has had 9tds. The last raider WR to have 8tds in a season was Randy moss who did it in 2005.
Our WRs are soooooo bad , yet Reggie said we didnt need a vet WR. He was soooo wrong
December 10th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Of the teams that would want Geno and willing to trade Chiefs/Cards/Jets/Jags, etc..
December 10th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
As far as i know most coaches have won superbowls with the teams they started with, only a few guys who have coached before took a rebuilding team some where, Gruden took over pretty good teams, Belichick also took over a team that finished .500 or above prior to him taking Pats over, Giants weren’t that bad before Coughlin, but he has proven he can coach teams , due to taking Jax Jaguars to playoffs in each year ever year, Uh Who else?? which coach was the last coach who wasn’t a rookie and took over a struggling team and led them somewhere? Shanahan?
December 10th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
btw new Damontre moore h/l
http://youtu.be/hK56cG9Gg5U
He was up there with Javdieron Clowney all year as far as numbers go.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
To me clowney is the pick if he comes out
December 10th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Shaub’s WR just dropped a 4th down conversion catch.
That was the second drop of the drive.
I wonder if Texans fans blame their OC and QB also?
December 10th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Corky said the Raiders are gonna draft TEO or trade down.
I dont think he is familiar with the pass rushers
December 10th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
To me clowney is the pick if he comes out
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Clowney is a beast, but he’s a sophomore, so not eligible to come out until next year
December 10th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
do you really trust reggie with a top three draft pick? if we are talking drafting from practice squads reggie is the man but reggie had a real bad year and has alot to prove.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
clowney cant come out.. he needs another year.
Walterfootball has Clowney the number 1 pick in next yrs draft. They have the oakland Raiders taking him with the 1st overall pick. I guess they pick the raiders to win less then 4 games next season.
the 2nd pick they have is Johnny Manziel going 2 overall
December 10th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I am 95% sure if D Moore is available , he will be the pick, why would they pick any other guy, our team needs a pass rusher really bad? who else can rush better than him from the edge? Plus the guy can line up in every scheme, so would just make it perfect for DA/Tarver and they can be more likely to call different looks and succeed next year with D Moore, who else would give the same flexibility? Maybe Star could play both NT in 3-4 or DT in 4-3 but would he be able to put consistent pressure on QB’s just like D Moore? Nope, so the pick would obviously be Damontre Moore if he’s available
December 10th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Plus Moore is DA’s alma matter.
I didnt know this but DA belongs to some TExas AM elite football club down there.
I bet he wishes he can have Damontre, and Jonny football right now
December 10th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
do you really trust reggie with a top three draft pick? if we are talking drafting from practice squads reggie is the man but reggie had a real bad year and has alot to prove.
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Are you kidding with me? Based on what? A draft that we waited until mid 3rd round to pick a player? We still got Burris and Streater who could both be starters next year, Criner wasn’t a bad pick either, Crawford and Bilukidi and Berg need some time so the jury is still out on them , but if you can find 2 outta 7 starters and a good backups with out even having 1st and 2nd rd pick then you done good enough
December 10th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
clowney cant come out.. he needs another year.
Walterfootball has Clowney the number 1 pick in next yrs draft. They have the oakland Raiders taking him with the 1st overall pick. I guess they pick the raiders to win less then 4 games next season.
the 2nd pick they have is Johnny Manziel going 2 overall
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maybe thats why mark davis will bring back reggie and da..he wants clowney in 2014
December 10th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
They’ll put in some trick play for TP, and call that playing him.
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I agree Kell. Pryor should practice all 3 weeks with the 1’s and START all 3 remaining games!!
December 10th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
I would love to get legit starters in 1st and 2nd round and a couple of surprise starters from 3-7 and a few nice UDFA pickups
December 10th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
reggie the practice squad guru…
December 10th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Plus Moore is DA’s alma matter.
I didnt know this but DA belongs to some TExas AM elite football club down there.
I bet he wishes he can have Damontre, and Jonny football right now
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That would be nice. Damonte and Johnny. I’ll be happy if we just get Damonte.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
If we get beast pass rushers from edge, we will probably be the best team in the league, you need pass rushers in a pass happy league
December 10th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
They’ll put in some trick play for TP, and call that playing him.
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I agree Kell. Pryor should practice all 3 weeks with the 1’s and START all 3 remaining games!!
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You wont find many who dont agree with that right now.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
D. Moore should be the Raiders’ first draft choice, Te’o 2nd choice; neither may not be available by the time we draft; we’ve already defeated Jacksonville and Kansas City.
Only FA WR worth signing was Reggie Wayne, and he wasn’t considering our Raiders.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
reggie the practice squad guru…
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DUDE are you seriously here 24/7 repeating the same sh1t over and over, get a life dude
December 10th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
do you really trust reggie with a top three draft pick? if we are talking drafting from practice squads reggie is the man but reggie had a real bad year and has alot to prove.
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Are you kidding with me? Based on what? A draft that we waited until mid 3rd round to pick a player? We still got Burris and Streater who could both be starters next year, Criner wasn’t a bad pick either, Crawford and Bilukidi and Berg need some time so the jury is still out on them , but if you can find 2 outta 7 starters and a good backups with out even having 1st and 2nd rd pick then you done good enough
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l question Reggie’s decision making ability.Reggie has had a very poor year. plain and simple. It started with allowing knapp to be hired, then keeping Seymour instead cutting him and saving the roster bonus of 7.5. Reggie in his wisdom then gives seymour a new contract which when cut next year hits our cap by 5.5. He then surprisingly franchises Branch then also decides to give him a long time contract. He then whiffs big time on bartell and spencer as our 1 and 2 cbs. He then gives Briesel a 20 mil contract that when he is cut next year he hits our cap by 2.7 million. His 3rd round draft pick is a 26 year old OL who cant beat out willie smith, throw in a restructuring of CP3 contract so he gets 16 mil next year and you have a rookie gm who failed his first year.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Reggie has shown a pattern of poor decision making.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
schaub sux….
December 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Reggie did *ok* in the draft – his FA picks were crap sans Wheeler – giving $20 mill to Brisel, $3mill to Bartell, $850k to Spencer and $2.5 to Toefellson was a big time miss.. Could have gotten Bush and Satelle back on long term deals for that money.
December 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
How many times is Shaub gonna come up small tonight???
December 10th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
I’m pretty sure KC will not go Oline, I’m just worried about Jax taking one of the guys we targeted especially Damontre Moore, they got pass rushing problems as well, isn’t it kinda crazy most of the bottom dwellers have 1 thing in common? they s8ck getting to QB’s
December 10th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Very true.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
How many times is Shaub gonna come up small tonight???
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Really?
Ive counted 3 dropped passes by his receivers in the last two drives. 2 by Foster (one was tough) and another by the WR on 4th down.
How is that Schaub’s fault?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
4th drop in 3 drives.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Bad pass.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
How many times is Shaub gonna come up small tonight???
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Really?
Ive counted 3 dropped passes by his receivers in the last two drives. 2 by Foster (one was tough) and another by the WR on 4th down.
How is that Schaub’s fault?
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raider blog members are trained to ignore bad wrs, thats all weve seen since 2005
December 10th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
texaints are overated…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
This team wont get back on the right track till they have a PROVEN HC.. a superbowl winning HC would be even better.
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You guys think that Bill Belichik could come here, wave a magic wand, and we would automatically be 12-4. I hate to break it to you guys, but it ain’t gonna happen. Bellichik would come here, we would be 3-5 half way through the season and you all would be chanting “Gruden, Gruden…” It’s ridiculous really.
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Almost as ridiculous as the people who think we could can DA, be looking for our fourth HC in as many years, and ANY top candidates would be remotely interested.
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Well said.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Mark is stuck with DA* and so are the fans
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No the fans won’t be here to watch this crap staff.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
How many times is Shaub gonna come up small tonight???
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Really?
Ive counted 3 dropped passes by his receivers in the last two drives. 2 by Foster (one was tough) and another by the WR on 4th down.
How is that Schaub’s fault?
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raider blog members are trained to ignore bad wrs, thats all weve seen since 2005
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Yep.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
You can’t judge Reggie in a year he couldn’t freely throw out money at just about anyone, Took chances with former starters Bartell and Spencer in hopes of getting 1 of them to perform like their prime years, Briesel was actually cheap signing due to him getting injured, he would have def demanded more, he has disappointed, but that’s due to Knapps coaching, which will be fixed in offseason , 100% positive even if we had to pick a paper with OC names on it out of a bucket , nobody will be worse than Knapp, i just believe they wanted to go ZBS and he was probably the only 1 available to coach it, they will have plenty of good choices next year, Norv wouldn’t mind coming back but i don’t know how much does DA believes in ZBS and would he be willing to scrap 1 year experience for starting something new when half of the Oline was already acquired for ZBS
December 10th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Why reinstate McClain? Wonder how his ‘talk’ with Denise Allen is going to go? hahaha
December 10th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
This team wont get back on the right track till they have a PROVEN HC.. a superbowl winning HC would be even better.
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You guys think that Bill Belichik could come here, wave a magic wand, and we would automatically be 12-4. I hate to break it to you guys, but it ain’t gonna happen. Bellichik would come here, we would be 3-5 half way through the season and you all would be chanting “Gruden, Gruden…” It’s ridiculous really.
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Almost as ridiculous as the people who think we could can DA, be looking for our fourth HC in as many years, and ANY top candidates would be remotely interested.
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And yet you guys have no problem canning Hue, and looking for our 3rd coach in 3 years…We were so lucky to get this “top” candidate in DA
December 10th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
This team wont get back on the right track till they have a PROVEN HC.. a superbowl winning HC would be even better.
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You guys think that Bill Belichik could come here, wave a magic wand, and we would automatically be 12-4. I hate to break it to you guys, but it ain’t gonna happen. Bellichik would come here, we would be 3-5 half way through the season and you all would be chanting “Gruden, Gruden…” It’s ridiculous really.
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Almost as ridiculous as the people who think we could can DA, be looking for our fourth HC in as many years, and ANY top candidates would be remotely interested.
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And yet you guys have no problem canning Hue, and looking for our 3rd coach in 3 years…We were so lucky to get this “top” candidate in DA
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Says who?
Nobody wanted Hue gone.
Its just that some of us are not ignoring the fact that Hue did a dumb thing and got himself fired. Theres no use crying about it now.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
The local press ran Hue out of town because he was tied to Al and he treated them accordingly. They were fawning over Allen. Some still are..
December 10th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Hue got screwed.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Says who?
Nobody wanted Hue gone.
Its just that some of us are not ignoring the fact that Hue did a dumb thing and got himself fired. Theres no use crying about it now.
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What was that? Was he laughing it up with John Fox after getting beat by Denver?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
What did Jacobs do?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
DA is needed in KC….they want the “it” factor…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Nobody wanted Hue gone, but Management wanted to go their own way, I’m pretty sure they wanted to build for the long term success, or they could have just brought back Hue and st9ck with 6 or 7 good and garbage rest of the way after he gets injured, it’s pretty clear the management wants to go the route of finding cheap Rb’s and cheap Oline and use that money on PLaymakers and along the D line, it will take time for both ZBS and the D to come around, but we can def use a better play caller and better teachers on O side
December 10th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
The local press ran Hue out of town because he was tied to Al and he treated them accordingly. They were fawning over Allen. Some still are..
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Don’t forget Reggie…They are kissing the press’s a$$ so they never write any unflattering remarks about them…well except for Jason Cole who came out & said Tits is worthless.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
You can’t judge Reggie in a year he couldn’t freely throw out money at just about anyone, Took chances with former starters Bartell and Spencer in hopes of getting 1 of them to perform like their prime years, Briesel was actually cheap signing due to him getting injured, he would have def demanded more, he has disappointed, but that’s due to Knapps coaching, which will be fixed in offseason , 100% positive even if we had to pick a paper with OC names on it out of a bucket , nobody will be worse than Knapp, i just believe they wanted to go ZBS and he was probably the only 1 available to coach it, they will have plenty of good choices next year, Norv wouldn’t mind coming back but i don’t know how much does DA believes in ZBS and would he be willing to scrap 1 year experience for starting something new when half of the Oline was already acquired for ZBS
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but he screwed up with Seymour which hits our cap by 5.5 mil next, briesel can you get any worse of a signing and when he gets cut it hits our cap by 2.7 mil, the franchising and the long term contract for branch is beyond belief.throw in the palmer restructuring and reggies moves in 2012 will hurt us in 2013. i dont care as much about bartell and spencer bc this year is over with and they cant hurt us in 2013. But Reggie could have set us up nicely for 2013 but he made bad decisions on seymour, branch and briesel which had nothing to do with the past and is a big negative in 2013. you cant ignore this. its major pause for concern with respect to reggie’s ability to make decisions.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
How many times is Shaub gonna come up small tonight???
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Really?
Ive counted 3 dropped passes by his receivers in the last two drives. 2 by Foster (one was tough) and another by the WR on 4th down.
How is that Schaub’s fault?
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The “drop” by Walter was 100 % on Shaub. That ball should have been thrown to the outside. Shaub threw him right into Arrington. On the next 4th down opportunity, he panicked under pressure and didn’t even give Walter a chance. Then he completely overshoots Jean when he’s wide open over the middle, subjecting him to a big hit just for kicks. How about that terrible interception in the endzone into double coverage when the checkdown to Foster was wide open? Shaub has been awful tonight. No excuses.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
The model we’re using is Houston’s model, save money by signing cheap rb’s and OL use the money on D, their O is not the best but their D has finally become a very good unit after years of drafting front 7 players
December 10th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Read Michael Silver’s article about Hue’s firing thats all you need to know about Mark ‘half-wit’ Davis. The fact Reggie played along and said it was his decision makes it even more disturbing.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_hue_jackson_raiders_fired_011012
December 10th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
cole actually put DA on blast? great! at least some reporters have cajones not like cork and jerry…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Hadn’t seen that John Clayton ad before. Pretty funny.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Hue made the “greatest” trade in the history of trades.
Speaking of that, wouldn’t the Hershel Walker trade be considered the greatest trade?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
The model we’re using is Houston’s model, save money by signing cheap rb’s and OL use the money on D, their O is not the best but their D has finally become a very good unit after years of drafting front 7 players
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Maybe we should be “innovative” instead.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Hue will be an OC for sure next season if not a HC -just pray its not the Chiefs or Chargers…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
The model we’re using is Houston’s model, save money by signing cheap rb’s and OL use the money on D, their O is not the best but their D has finally become a very good unit after years of drafting front 7 players
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and you know this because we signed knapp..lol..btw briesel signed a 20 mil contract..not cheap..oh and when we cut reggies prize free agent signing he hits our cap by 2.7 mil next year
December 10th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
man the texaints svck…look like little girls out there….i wonder if we can pay them to take krapp back…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
You can’t judge Reggie in a year he couldn’t freely throw out money at just about anyone, Took chances with former starters Bartell and Spencer in hopes of getting 1 of them to perform like their prime years, Briesel was actually cheap signing due to him getting injured, he would have def demanded more, he has disappointed, but that’s due to Knapps coaching, which will be fixed in offseason , 100% positive even if we had to pick a paper with OC names on it out of a bucket , nobody will be worse than Knapp, i just believe they wanted to go ZBS and he was probably the only 1 available to coach it, they will have plenty of good choices next year, Norv wouldn’t mind coming back but i don’t know how much does DA believes in ZBS and would he be willing to scrap 1 year experience for starting something new when half of the Oline was already acquired for ZBS
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but he screwed up with Seymour which hits our cap by 5.5 mil next, briesel can you get any worse of a signing and when he gets cut it hits our cap by 2.7 mil, the franchising and the long term contract for branch is beyond belief.throw in the palmer restructuring and reggies moves in 2012 will hurt us in 2013. i dont care as much about bartell and spencer bc this year is over with and they cant hurt us in 2013. But Reggie could have set us up nicely for 2013 but he made bad decisions on seymour, branch and briesel which had nothing to do with the past and is a big negative in 2013. you cant ignore this. its major pause for concern with respect to reggie’s ability to make decisions.
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Seymour was due 15 M I’m pretty sure they couldn’t afford to take over 10 M cap hit by cutting him , so they went with Seymour over Wimbley, thought seymour had more value, but little did they knew Seymour all of a sudden would have such bad knees and would s9ck for good, Palmer problem isn’t as bad, he will def restructure next year, and they will def bring in a guy to groom behind him , only problem is that Palmer is just not used right by our OC, are you freaking kidding with me with 50 some passes, sometimes 70? I mean nobody is attempting that many passes even with way better receivers to throw to, but damn that many passes to average receivers? it’s ridiculous, Palmer should not be asked to throw more than 3 consecutive passes ever , and the pass/run ratio should be around 60/40 every game, unless we get to an early lead and can live with handing off the ball every down
December 10th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
i wish we suvked like the texans. sundays would still matter right now
December 10th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
cole actually put DA on blast? great! at least some reporters have cajones not like cork and jerry…
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http://www.957thegame.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6151515
December 10th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
How many times is Shaub gonna come up small tonight???
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Really?
Ive counted 3 dropped passes by his receivers in the last two drives. 2 by Foster (one was tough) and another by the WR on 4th down.
How is that Schaub’s fault?
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The “drop” by Walter was 100 % on Shaub. That ball should have been thrown to the outside. Shaub threw him right into Arrington. On the next 4th down opportunity, he panicked under pressure and didn’t even give Walter a chance. Then he completely overshoots Jean when he’s wide open over the middle, subjecting him to a big hit just for kicks. How about that terrible interception in the endzone into double coverage when the checkdown to Foster was wide open? Shaub has been awful tonight. No excuses.
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Jean got both hands on the ball. Pro’s catch that. Was it perfect? Not even close. Was it catchable, yes it was. As a WR, you believe you should catch that. Trust me, when they go to the sidelines its the WR apologizing for not making that catch.
On the 4th down, again, not a perfect throw. But it still hit the WR in the numbers. No excuses. The WR’s job is to catch the ball. If you can touch it, you can catch it. If you can get two hands on it, you better catch it.
You obviously never played WR.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Hue will be an OC for sure next season if not a HC -just pray its not the Chiefs or Chargers…
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I agree…Of course we could do this
HC Gruden
OC Hue
DC Crennel
What’s the chances of that happening?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Hue said it was the ‘greatest trade’ in the response to the local press trying to run it down. He was playing games with them and that’s why they hated him. It was a good trade, just a bad deal, if Mark had any cojones, he would have never given a #1 and #2 – maybe the 1 was worth it, but the 2 in addition no way. And then to fire the guy who Palmer came here to play for… oh man…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
You can’t judge Reggie in a year he couldn’t freely throw out money at just about anyone, Took chances with former starters Bartell and Spencer in hopes of getting 1 of them to perform like their prime years, Briesel was actually cheap signing due to him getting injured, he would have def demanded more, he has disappointed, but that’s due to Knapps coaching, which will be fixed in offseason , 100% positive even if we had to pick a paper with OC names on it out of a bucket , nobody will be worse than Knapp, i just believe they wanted to go ZBS and he was probably the only 1 available to coach it, they will have plenty of good choices next year, Norv wouldn’t mind coming back but i don’t know how much does DA believes in ZBS and would he be willing to scrap 1 year experience for starting something new when half of the Oline was already acquired for ZBS
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but he screwed up with Seymour which hits our cap by 5.5 mil next, briesel can you get any worse of a signing and when he gets cut it hits our cap by 2.7 mil, the franchising and the long term contract for branch is beyond belief.throw in the palmer restructuring and reggies moves in 2012 will hurt us in 2013. i dont care as much about bartell and spencer bc this year is over with and they cant hurt us in 2013. But Reggie could have set us up nicely for 2013 but he made bad decisions on seymour, branch and briesel which had nothing to do with the past and is a big negative in 2013. you cant ignore this. its major pause for concern with respect to reggie’s ability to make decisions.
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Seymour was due 15 M I’m pretty sure they couldn’t afford to take over 10 M cap hit by cutting him , so they went with Seymour over Wimbley, thought seymour had more value, but little did they knew Seymour all of a sudden would have such bad knees and would s9ck for good, Palmer problem isn’t as bad, he will def restructure next year, and they will def bring in a guy to groom behind him , only problem is that Palmer is just not used right by our OC, are you freaking kidding with me with 50 some passes, sometimes 70? I mean nobody is attempting that many passes even with way better receivers to throw to, but damn that many passes to average receivers? it’s ridiculous, Palmer should not be asked to throw more than 3 consecutive passes ever , and the pass/run ratio should be around 60/40 every game, unless we get to an early lead and can live with handing off the ball every down
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I understand keeping Seymore. I dont understand the extention.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
The model we’re using is Houston’s model, save money by signing cheap rb’s and OL use the money on D, their O is not the best but their D has finally become a very good unit after years of drafting front 7 players
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and you know this because we signed knapp..lol..btw briesel signed a 20 mil contract..not cheap..oh and when we cut reggies prize free agent signing he hits our cap by 2.7 mil next year
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No it has nothing to do with Knapp, briesel is only getting 4 M a year , which isn’t that much compared to top OL guys, and the whole OL has struggled, it has probably to do with the coaching more than players, so we can def get a better OC and OL coaches, but i can live with that, I actually like the idea of finding a Gem RB later in rounds and cheap OL and becoming a top O and using that money on D, not bad at all
December 10th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Hue will be an OC for sure next season if not a HC -just pray its not the Chiefs or Chargers…
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I agree…Of course we could do this
HC Gruden
OC Hue
DC Crennel
What’s the chances of that happening?
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The same chances that Guns n Roses get back together.
I’ll keep patiently waiting….and I’ll go to be dissapointed every nite.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Listen if you’re picking in the top 5 in any draft you should get an impact player. There are players at every position who will be immediate impact players now it’s up to you to set your board in a way to make sure you get one of them. If you can’t you should give up the keys immediately.
I would take a WR if I had to rather than take a reach that high. No player is a can’t miss player but you want the players withy the highest floor more than the highest ceiling when picking that high. Keenan Allen at WR or Xavier Rhodes at CB or someone you know wont bust he may not live up to a 3rd overall but he cannot bust. You can reach in the 3rd rnd for an outstanding athlete.
If you feel scared off then trade down you’ll probably get one of those guys in the mid 1st which is what I suggested when we took DMC that high. We could’ve had Chris Johnson and LT Sam Baker and gave DMC to Dallas. But NOOOO everyone was soo enamored with DMC calling me a fool. DMC would be the best back we ever drafted bar none. Well he is exactly what I said he would be an injury prone offensive weapon when healthy. But he just wouldn’t be able to take the pounding to warrant that high of a pick.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Read Michael Silver’s article about Hue’s firing thats all you need to know about Mark ‘half-wit’ Davis. The fact Reggie played along and said it was his decision makes it even more disturbing.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_hue_jackson_raiders_fired_011012
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Due to the fact that Mark probably regrets firing Hue right now, that Silver article gets more and more relevant with every blowout loss.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
426. Zero
HC Allen
OC Knapp
DC Tarver
They all have 4 yr deals.. Aint going anywhere we can’t afford to buy them out and pay a new staff at same time..
December 10th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Listen if you’re picking in the top 5 in any draft you should get an impact player. There are players at every position who will be immediate impact players now it’s up to you to set your board in a way to make sure you get one of them. If you can’t you should give up the keys immediately.
I would take a WR if I had to rather than take a reach that high. No player is a can’t miss player but you want the players withy the highest floor more than the highest ceiling when picking that high. Keenan Allen at WR or Xavier Rhodes at CB or someone you know wont bust he may not live up to a 3rd overall but he cannot bust. You can reach in the 3rd rnd for an outstanding athlete.
If you feel scared off then trade down you’ll probably get one of those guys in the mid 1st which is what I suggested when we took DMC that high. We could’ve had Chris Johnson and LT Sam Baker and gave DMC to Dallas. But NOOOO everyone was soo enamored with DMC calling me a fool. DMC would be the best back we ever drafted bar none. Well he is exactly what I said he would be an injury prone offensive weapon when healthy. But he just wouldn’t be able to take the pounding to warrant that high of a pick.
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Agreed.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
He had to extend Seymour otherwise we would have had to pay the same salary this year which we couldn’t afford to since we needed to get under the cap, Seymour or which ever player they want to cut next year would be easy , because we def would have more cap space next year, compared to this year, so don’t worry about all that, we won’t be throwing money at players blindly like AL did , so years from now on, we could def be able to get out or bad contracts
December 10th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Seymour wants out more than anyone – he still has 1-2 years left and wants to play for a winner – he’ll be back in NE, still has house and roots there – while still collecting his money from us. And he’ll be in the pro bowl again – book it.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Listen if you’re picking in the top 5 in any draft you should get an impact player. There are players at every position who will be immediate impact players now it’s up to you to set your board in a way to make sure you get one of them. If you can’t you should give up the keys immediately.
I would take a WR if I had to rather than take a reach that high. No player is a can’t miss player but you want the players withy the highest floor more than the highest ceiling when picking that high. Keenan Allen at WR or Xavier Rhodes at CB or someone you know wont bust he may not live up to a 3rd overall but he cannot bust. You can reach in the 3rd rnd for an outstanding athlete.
If you feel scared off then trade down you’ll probably get one of those guys in the mid 1st which is what I suggested when we took DMC that high. We could’ve had Chris Johnson and LT Sam Baker and gave DMC to Dallas. But NOOOO everyone was soo enamored with DMC calling me a fool. DMC would be the best back we ever drafted bar none. Well he is exactly what I said he would be an injury prone offensive weapon when healthy. But he just wouldn’t be able to take the pounding to warrant that high of a pick.
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You can’t take a CB or WR when you need a legit starter next year, not some guy who would take about 3 years before showing all that potential, DE MOORE is top pick for sure, he will become dynamic player for years to come
December 10th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
How many times is Shaub gonna come up small tonight???
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Really?
Ive counted 3 dropped passes by his receivers in the last two drives. 2 by Foster (one was tough) and another by the WR on 4th down.
How is that Schaub’s fault?
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The “drop” by Walter was 100 % on Shaub. That ball should have been thrown to the outside. Shaub threw him right into Arrington. On the next 4th down opportunity, he panicked under pressure and didn’t even give Walter a chance. Then he completely overshoots Jean when he’s wide open over the middle, subjecting him to a big hit just for kicks. How about that terrible interception in the endzone into double coverage when the checkdown to Foster was wide open? Shaub has been awful tonight. No excuses.
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Jean got both hands on the ball. Pro’s catch that. Was it perfect? Not even close. Was it catchable, yes it was. As a WR, you believe you should catch that. Trust me, when they go to the sidelines its the WR apologizing for not making that catch.
On the 4th down, again, not a perfect throw. But it still hit the WR in the numbers. No excuses. The WR’s job is to catch the ball. If you can touch it, you can catch it. If you can get two hands on it, you better catch it.
You obviously never played WR.
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Nope, played corner. Doesn’t change the fact that Shaub has sucked tonight. The pass to Jean was both high AND outside. Turned him around and turned what should have been a routine catch and run into a circus catch. I’d bet you $1 million that Shaub was theone doing the apologizing. With Walter, hit him in the hands, but if the ball is thron correctly, Arrington doesn’t have a chance to break it up. Shaub had time on both plays. A pro QB makes those throws. You obviously never played QB in the NFL.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
He had to extend Seymour otherwise we would have had to pay the same salary this year which we couldn’t afford to since we needed to get under the cap, Seymour or which ever player they want to cut next year would be easy , because we def would have more cap space next year, compared to this year, so don’t worry about all that, we won’t be throwing money at players blindly like AL did , so years from now on, we could def be able to get out or bad contracts
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We made his cap 2012 hit go from 7.5 to 5 million with the extension .
Thats only 2.5 mil in savings.
At the time the season started we were 6 mill under the cap were we not?
That is why I dont understand the extension. But maybe the rumored 6 mil cap cushion wasnt accurate. Im sure Reggie knew what he was doing. I just wish I understood it.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
And yet you guys have no problem canning Hue, and looking for our 3rd coach in 3 years…We were so lucky to get this “top” candidate in DA
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Jackson was a disaster. Cable was the one that should not have been axed. Did any of you see the beatdown that Cables guys put on that Zona D yesterday?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
DMAC situation is weird, He’s not getting injured due to the pounding , which means like broken hand , shoulder, legs or some other stuff, it’s the same freaking Turf Toe, Lipfranc, ankle sprain on not so hard 1 on 1 tackles
December 10th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
You can’t judge Reggie in a year he couldn’t freely throw out money at just about anyone, Took chances with former starters Bartell and Spencer in hopes of getting 1 of them to perform like their prime years, Briesel was actually cheap signing due to him getting injured, he would have def demanded more, he has disappointed, but that’s due to Knapps coaching, which will be fixed in offseason , 100% positive even if we had to pick a paper with OC names on it out of a bucket , nobody will be worse than Knapp, i just believe they wanted to go ZBS and he was probably the only 1 available to coach it, they will have plenty of good choices next year, Norv wouldn’t mind coming back but i don’t know how much does DA believes in ZBS and would he be willing to scrap 1 year experience for starting something new when half of the Oline was already acquired for ZBS
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but he screwed up with Seymour which hits our cap by 5.5 mil next, briesel can you get any worse of a signing and when he gets cut it hits our cap by 2.7 mil, the franchising and the long term contract for branch is beyond belief.throw in the palmer restructuring and reggies moves in 2012 will hurt us in 2013. i dont care as much about bartell and spencer bc this year is over with and they cant hurt us in 2013. But Reggie could have set us up nicely for 2013 but he made bad decisions on seymour, branch and briesel which had nothing to do with the past and is a big negative in 2013. you cant ignore this. its major pause for concern with respect to reggie’s ability to make decisions.
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Seymour was due 15 M I’m pretty sure they couldn’t afford to take over 10 M cap hit by cutting him , so they went with Seymour over Wimbley, thought seymour had more value, but little did they knew Seymour all of a sudden would have such bad knees and would s9ck for good, Palmer problem isn’t as bad, he will def restructure next year, and they will def bring in a guy to groom behind him , only problem is that Palmer is just not used right by our OC, are you freaking kidding with me with 50 some passes, sometimes 70? I mean nobody is attempting that many passes even with way better receivers to throw to, but damn that many passes to average receivers? it’s ridiculous, Palmer should not be asked to throw more than 3 consecutive passes ever , and the pass/run ratio should be around 60/40 every game, unless we get to an early lead and can live with handing off the ball every down
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reggie could have avoided 7.5 mil by cutting seymour, the other 7,5 mil would have counted against our cap. since reggie paid him a signing bonus and salary those 2 numbers are close to 4 mill. so if you think about it, if reggie cut seymour this years cap would have been 3,5 mil worse.Before we signed carter , cork reported we were 6 mill under the cap, so we could have cut seymour and still been fine with the cap.we just wouldnt have had seymour play for us which wouldnt have been a big deal for a 3-13 team. The big deal is if reggie made the right move , next year seymour wouldnt matter. Now when we cut him his entire bonus accelerates and we get hit with a 5.5 mil cap hit..Thats a pretty good player Reggie could have brought in with that money. Reggie made a big mistake , plain and simple.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
440. Yep
The Cable/Hue combo was going places – wish we still had either of them now..
December 10th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
“Losee DVD to the stinkin’ Steelers”
You’re crying over losing a toothpick who could fly as fast as the gnat he was covering but who wasn’t strong enough to tackle that same gnat? The guy who could never force himself to look back for the ball so he kept getting PIs? That DVD?
Pine over losing someone of worth.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Hue was anything but a disaster, records don’t lie – compared to now? Please.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
How many times is Shaub gonna come up small tonight???
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Really?
Ive counted 3 dropped passes by his receivers in the last two drives. 2 by Foster (one was tough) and another by the WR on 4th down.
How is that Schaub’s fault?
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The “drop” by Walter was 100 % on Shaub. That ball should have been thrown to the outside. Shaub threw him right into Arrington. On the next 4th down opportunity, he panicked under pressure and didn’t even give Walter a chance. Then he completely overshoots Jean when he’s wide open over the middle, subjecting him to a big hit just for kicks. How about that terrible interception in the endzone into double coverage when the checkdown to Foster was wide open? Shaub has been awful tonight. No excuses.
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Jean got both hands on the ball. Pro’s catch that. Was it perfect? Not even close. Was it catchable, yes it was. As a WR, you believe you should catch that. Trust me, when they go to the sidelines its the WR apologizing for not making that catch.
On the 4th down, again, not a perfect throw. But it still hit the WR in the numbers. No excuses. The WR’s job is to catch the ball. If you can touch it, you can catch it. If you can get two hands on it, you better catch it.
You obviously never played WR.
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Nope, played corner. Doesn’t change the fact that Shaub has sucked tonight. The pass to Jean was both high AND outside. Turned him around and turned what should have been a routine catch and run into a circus catch. I’d bet you $1 million that Shaub was theone doing the apologizing. With Walter, hit him in the hands, but if the ball is thron correctly, Arrington doesn’t have a chance to break it up. Shaub had time on both plays. A pro QB makes those throws. You obviously never played QB in the NFL.
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In the NFL, to beat teams like New England, you make those catches or you get blown out.
There isnt anymore to it.
If Shaub is off, which he is, so be it. The WR still can make the play. It’s his job.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
It was a good trade, just a bad deal,
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I haven’t heard it put this way, but I agree 100%. If we get him for a 2nd rounder, I’m not nearly as critical of CP. I couldn’t care less how much he’s being paid, but for the picks we gave up for him, he should be playing a hell of a lot better.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Looks like Routt has found a home. He’s still on the Raiders payroll too…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
How about converting DMAC to WR?? sign #1 WR, Streater is primed to take over DHB and MOORE, so next year wr group could look like this
#1 WR – Hopefully Bowe
Streater
Mcfadden
DHB
Moore
Criner
Ford
Late round draft pick
It would bring the best out of everybody and we will probably end up with the best receiving corp next year, compared to bottom 10 this year
December 10th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
all contracts can be terminated…might cost a little big if money but an mpty stafium will cost much more…..
December 10th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Dang that Jason Cole interview was right on the money!
DA constantly being outcoached. Doesnt know what he is really doing in the job.
Players dont have respect or respond to him. Maybe thats waht mcclain was saying when he said Nobody here thinks u are a coach etc.
Rick Tittle brought up a good point. Everyone wants “continuity” but does DA even deserve that after having the RAIDERS WORSE MONTH as far as L’s going and most points giving up since AFL days.. and PRE AL ERA… horrible
they are both right
December 10th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Donte Stallworth just made a one handed catch. Ends up being a 63 yard TD.
When WR’s do their jobs, good things happen.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Donte Stallworth just scored a long td agaisnt Houston.
Just arrived at NE THIS WEEK!
Maybe a veteran receiver we could’ve used in Oakland?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
We have a new punter…he was “stashed” on the IR.That was one of the “rare good moves” the new regime did this year.Marquette King will be a beast!!
December 10th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
That is why I dont understand the extension.
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Because the org definitely was going to have Seymour for 2012 and 2013. The hit was $7.5mm last year both on the cap and in cash if Seymour was cut. So, you might as well pay him to play. It made no difference. As I keep saying here, he was our highest graded player last year and this year at the time he went out. Paying him $7.5mm for one more year, isn’t really the end of the world considering how well he has played for us. But, Big Sey haters, expect him next year.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
I meant one of the best like top 5 or top 10 compared to bottom 10 this year
December 10th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
How many times is Shaub gonna come up small tonight???
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Really?
Ive counted 3 dropped passes by his receivers in the last two drives. 2 by Foster (one was tough) and another by the WR on 4th down.
How is that Schaub’s fault?
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The “drop” by Walter was 100 % on Shaub. That ball should have been thrown to the outside. Shaub threw him right into Arrington. On the next 4th down opportunity, he panicked under pressure and didn’t even give Walter a chance. Then he completely overshoots Jean when he’s wide open over the middle, subjecting him to a big hit just for kicks. How about that terrible interception in the endzone into double coverage when the checkdown to Foster was wide open? Shaub has been awful tonight. No excuses.
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Jean got both hands on the ball. Pro’s catch that. Was it perfect? Not even close. Was it catchable, yes it was. As a WR, you believe you should catch that. Trust me, when they go to the sidelines its the WR apologizing for not making that catch.
On the 4th down, again, not a perfect throw. But it still hit the WR in the numbers. No excuses. The WR’s job is to catch the ball. If you can touch it, you can catch it. If you can get two hands on it, you better catch it.
You obviously never played WR.
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Nope, played corner. Doesn’t change the fact that Shaub has sucked tonight. The pass to Jean was both high AND outside. Turned him around and turned what should have been a routine catch and run into a circus catch. I’d bet you $1 million that Shaub was theone doing the apologizing. With Walter, hit him in the hands, but if the ball is thron correctly, Arrington doesn’t have a chance to break it up. Shaub had time on both plays. A pro QB makes those throws. You obviously never played QB in the NFL.
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In the NFL, to beat teams like New England, you make those catches or you get blown out.
There isnt anymore to it.
If Shaub is off, which he is, so be it. The WR still can make the play. It’s his job.
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And it’s Shaub’s job to deliver the mail. Kind of like Tom Brady is. That’s why Houston is losing 21-0 so far. Shaub needs to get his act together.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
“Players dont have respect or respond to him. Maybe thats waht mcclain was saying when he said Nobody here thinks u are a coach etc.”
Is that what he said?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
441,
It’s difficult to know if McFadden’s injuries to the foot and ankle area have something to do with his particular bone structure or even ligament, tendon issues, genetic issues, that is.
It could be just bad luck as foot and ankle injuries are indeed common in this game, but I am wondering if he has issues with tendons and ligament, that while they are perfectly fine for any other non-sport related job, they simply aren’t suited for the game he plays.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
How about converting DMAC to WR?? sign #1 WR, Streater is primed to take over DHB and MOORE, so next year wr group could look like this
#1 WR – Hopefully Bowe
Streater
Mcfadden
DHB
Moore
Criner
Ford
Late round draft pick
It would bring the best out of everybody and we will probably end up with the best receiving corp next year, compared to bottom 10 this year
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dmac has the drops this year, no candidate for wr imo
December 10th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Palmer has crap coaches, 0 running game, shoddy WR’s, and no defense – if Hue were still here (or anybody decent) he would have a much better year.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
people acting like our corners are good….lmao…bartell toast cut, spencer ir, lee gone…lmao
December 10th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Hue was anything but a disaster, records don’t lie – compared to now? Please.
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The 0-5 errr, 1-4 record to end his tenure? That record?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Stanford Routt on the Texans reminds me of a scene in SCARFACE.When Tony comes to Frank’s officefor revenge and spares the one bodyguard and the short guy says,”hey homes u got a job man!” LMAO
Someone should have said that to Stanford!!
December 10th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
people acting like our corners are good….lmao…bartell toast cut, spencer ir, lee gone…lmao
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Our corners aren’t good. Neither are our safeties. That has to be a HUGE priority in the next year or two.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
told you guys mcclain punked DA…he will never get any respect…out of his element.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
That is why I dont understand the extension.
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Because the org definitely was going to have Seymour for 2012 and 2013. The hit was $7.5mm last year both on the cap and in cash if Seymour was cut. So, you might as well pay him to play. It made no difference. As I keep saying here, he was our highest graded player last year and this year at the time he went out. Paying him $7.5mm for one more year, isn’t really the end of the world considering how well he has played for us. But, Big Sey haters, expect him next year.
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If the plan was to keep him in 2013, like you say, then I get it.
But he’s missed major time in both of the last two seasons. Im not a hater. I know how productive he’s been. I was the one very loudly defending him earlier this season.
But I think he’s taking up a lot of cap room to be injured so much. We knew he was long in the tooth last year. His injuries are not a surprise this year. Thus the reason Im dissappointed in the extention.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Cutting one player and taking a cap hit would be more easier next year, I don’t think we would be fighting the cap situation next year, it won’t be as bad as this year that i know for sure, so we could def make a play for #1 WR, solid FS, pass rush will come through draft in forms of Damontre moore and some one like Brandon Jenkins DE in 3-4 rd , we will only have to find a better OC, anybody would be better than Knapp for sure
December 10th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
426. Zero
HC Allen
OC Knapp
DC Tarver
They all have 4 yr deals.. Aint going anywhere we can’t afford to buy them out and pay a new staff at same tim
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At least I will save money.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
463. What about the 7-4 before that?
I’ll take 8-8 with a top 10 offense and his leadership and creativity anyday over what we have now. He will be back as an OC (at least) next year and will be damn good again.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Hue was anything but a disaster, records don’t lie – compared to now? Please.
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The 0-5 errr, 1-4 record to end his tenure? That record?
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Yeah, funny how Hue supporters are so ready to elevate his performance when the team fell apart the last third of the season.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
exactly dvd, chekwa, routt, cj all way better than what reggie has brought…bartell aint even in the league anymore…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
“Players dont have respect or respond to him. Maybe thats waht mcclain was saying when he said Nobody here thinks u are a coach etc.”
Is that what he said?
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Yep that was was reported in the PRIEMUM section on another raider board. Basically when they were arguing MCclain said Nobody respects u or listens to u as a coach.. like players dont take him seriously.. then DA challenged him back.. and Mcclain backed down.
it was something to that effect. But in another national Cole interview a few weeks back he heard rumblings about DA.. basically it wasnt good as far as locker room goes, and they he is in too deep as HC
remember that ravens game when Baltimore scored on a fake fg? said it ws just to easy to pass up. Coaching mistakes all over
December 10th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
If Jason Cole is correct and there are players that do not respond to DA, they will more than likely be playing for another team.
It looks like Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen are in it for the long haul and McKenzie is no where near done to rebuilding the roster to his liking.
We probably won’t recognize the roster next season if McKenzie and Allen are GM and head coach.
I bet if Mark Davis brought in another head coach the results would be the same.
The HC would see the roster and decimate it just like McKenzie is doing due to the lack of talent and desire.
McClain is the epitome of this with his “I have 4 million reasons not to care” comment when he challenged DA which resulted in his suspension.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
How many times is Shaub gonna come up small tonight???
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Really?
Ive counted 3 dropped passes by his receivers in the last two drives. 2 by Foster (one was tough) and another by the WR on 4th down.
How is that Schaub’s fault?
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The “drop” by Walter was 100 % on Shaub. That ball should have been thrown to the outside. Shaub threw him right into Arrington. On the next 4th down opportunity, he panicked under pressure and didn’t even give Walter a chance. Then he completely overshoots Jean when he’s wide open over the middle, subjecting him to a big hit just for kicks. How about that terrible interception in the endzone into double coverage when the checkdown to Foster was wide open? Shaub has been awful tonight. No excuses.
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Jean got both hands on the ball. Pro’s catch that. Was it perfect? Not even close. Was it catchable, yes it was. As a WR, you believe you should catch that. Trust me, when they go to the sidelines its the WR apologizing for not making that catch.
On the 4th down, again, not a perfect throw. But it still hit the WR in the numbers. No excuses. The WR’s job is to catch the ball. If you can touch it, you can catch it. If you can get two hands on it, you better catch it.
You obviously never played WR.
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Nope, played corner. Doesn’t change the fact that Shaub has sucked tonight. The pass to Jean was both high AND outside. Turned him around and turned what should have been a routine catch and run into a circus catch. I’d bet you $1 million that Shaub was theone doing the apologizing. With Walter, hit him in the hands, but if the ball is thron correctly, Arrington doesn’t have a chance to break it up. Shaub had time on both plays. A pro QB makes those throws. You obviously never played QB in the NFL.
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In the NFL, to beat teams like New England, you make those catches or you get blown out.
There isnt anymore to it.
If Shaub is off, which he is, so be it. The WR still can make the play. It’s his job.
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And it’s Shaub’s job to deliver the mail. Kind of like Tom Brady is. That’s why Houston is losing 21-0 so far. Shaub needs to get his act together.
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If he hits your hands or chest, he’s done his job. What is so hard for you to understand about that?
Oh wait, you were a CB. Which meant you couldnt catch anyways. Of course youre going to blame the QB. hahaha. Just fvcking with you.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Listen man I tried to warn everyone tha this would not be an easy transition. But everyone was so drunk with euphoria that we had a new GM thinking he would just come here and everyday would be a holiday.
Well I think most have sobered up to realize this is no easy gig. Being a GM is multifaceted undertaking. Hring a rookie GM was NOT wise but we all know that now. He will have many growing pains as he tries too get a handle on the job. He thinks just because he picks some player that the player will succeed. It’s naive as hell, you need coaches who are great talent developers to finish off what you give them. And he does NOT have that in place.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Dang that Jason Cole interview was right on the money!
DA constantly being outcoached. Doesnt know what he is really doing in the job.
Players dont have respect or respond to him. Maybe thats waht mcclain was saying when he said Nobody here thinks u are a coach etc.
Rick Tittle brought up a good point. Everyone wants “continuity” but does DA even deserve that after having the RAIDERS WORSE MONTH as far as L’s going and most points giving up since AFL days.. and PRE AL ERA… horrible
they are both right
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McClain is a moron but I can’t disagree with what he (allegedly) said about nobody respecting Allen.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
How about converting DMAC to WR?? sign #1 WR, Streater is primed to take over DHB and MOORE, so next year wr group could look like this
#1 WR – Hopefully Bowe
Streater
Mcfadden
DHB
Moore
Criner
Ford
Late round draft pick
It would bring the best out of everybody and we will probably end up with the best receiving corp next year, compared to bottom 10 this year
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dmac has the drops this year, no candidate for wr imo
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Yeah most of those drops are due to slowing down and looking at the qb and not sure where you will get hit from compared to WR where you will know where you’re going to be covered by the guy across you and you will run different routes
December 10th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
The 0-5 errr, 1-4 record to end his tenure? That record?
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Yeah, funny how Hue supporters are so ready to elevate his performance when the team fell apart the last third of the season.
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Y to idiots keep saying “down the stretch” ummm hello ?? whats DA down the stretch? freaking 0-13 down the stretch? Hue had NO GM, NO help, NO owner, NO starting QB, NO DMAC, NO TRAINING CAMP, NO OC, DMOORE, FORD missed alot of time with injuries during that playoff push.
He never made any execuses. Raiders were in it till the last game of the season. was excitment. Go ask Andy Reid how hard it is to win in this league ask DA.
So next time u try to “hate” on hue and his down the stretch record.. jsut know its better then DA/KNAPP will ever do.
8-8 son
December 10th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
“Players dont have respect or respond to him. Maybe thats waht mcclain was saying when he said Nobody here thinks u are a coach etc.”
Is that what he said?
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Yep that was was reported in the PRIEMUM section on another raider board. Basically when they were arguing MCclain said Nobody respects u or listens to u as a coach.. like players dont take him seriously.. then DA challenged him back.. and Mcclain backed down.
it was something to that effect. But in another national Cole interview a few weeks back he heard rumblings about DA.. basically it wasnt good as far as locker room goes, and they he is in too deep as HC
remember that ravens game when Baltimore scored on a fake fg? said it ws just to easy to pass up. Coaching mistakes all over
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DA should have said, ” Well, no one thinks you’re a player.”
December 10th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Lets say, for arguments sake, Mark Davis tells McKenzie to can DA and a new head coach is brought in.
You think that new coach is going to be accepting of players who didn’t respect the guy that he was replacing?
If they didn’t respect him, how are they going to respect the new dude?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Oh and another thing, the Raiders sold out the stadium last year for the 1st time in a decade and the was all Hue getting the base fired up and how the team was progressing – look for at least 5 blackouts next year.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
DA and Hubris = losers.
8-8 is not a winning record.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Texans are having a rough night. No doubt. But I do think they’re legit.
This year’s Super Bowl:
Houston Texans vs. San Francisco 49ers
49ers win, 24-20.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
If Jason Cole is correct and there are players that do not respond to DA, they will more than likely be playing for another team.
It looks like Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen are in it for the long haul and McKenzie is no where near done to rebuilding the roster to his liking.
We probably won’t recognize the roster next season if McKenzie and Allen are GM and head coach.
I bet if Mark Davis brought in another head coach the results would be the same.
The HC would see the roster and decimate it just like McKenzie is doing due to the lack of talent and desire.
McClain is the epitome of this with his “I have 4 million reasons not to care” comment when he challenged DA which resulted in his suspension.
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If they wont play for this coach, they arent going to play for the next one.
These players are used to a cycle of being bailed out year after year that each HC is fired. The continually are let off the hook.
Norv, Shell, Kiffin, Cable, Hue, and now possibly DA
Not one player on this roster has had a coach longer than one season. Sans the kickers. All of the other players are used to constant change and blaming of the coaches.
So naturally, when things get tough, their first reaction is to go soft, throw in the towel, and start blaming the coaches.
Problem is, Al isnt here to whine to anymore.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
let me ask you….is mcclain wrong? DA is a boy in a grown mans game…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Why mckenzie didnt like Rock Cartwrigt.. talk about leader. not lecher lol.. congrats u punt the ball far and have been here so long
December 10th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
McClain should be upset at him for not performing and not be like a b1tch and get all in coaches grill for putting you on bench, you can bet the coaches told him he will no longer be starter in Middle so he got mad, what else could have led to that confrontation, you guys want to tell me that McClain *who jogs on every freaking play* wants to win more than other guys on the team ? If that’s what you think happened than just go to sleep right now
December 10th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Lets say, for arguments sake, Mark Davis tells McKenzie to can DA and a new head coach is brought in.
You think that new coach is going to be accepting of players who didn’t respect the guy that he was replacing?
If they didn’t respect him, how are they going to respect the new dude?
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Exactly.
And if DA doesnt get any respect from ownership, what makes another coach think they will get any respect? Thats why nobody wants our HC job.
Only Gruden could replace DA. He’s the only guy that could command such a high salary that he would be unfireable.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
DA should have said, ” Well, no one thinks you’re a player.”
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maybe he did??
December 10th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
McClain would not be acting up with Cable or Hue like this – he actually was almost decent last year – now? Forget it. He’s a microcosm of what has happened under DA.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
do you really think any NFL gm doesnt approve hiring of coaches? your wrong about Seymour , if cut next year his signing bonus is accelerated and hits our cap by 5.5 mil
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“The new coach will have the right to hire ANY ASSISTANT HE WANTS” (emphasis added) — Reggie, in his opening presser.
Casserly reported days ago that Seymour’s contract voids out at the end of the league year unless we buy back in. If we don’t buy back in, it expires with no cap hit.
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Wow. You sure about that?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
let me ask you….is mcclain wrong? Rolando is a boy in a grown mans game…
I fixed it for you.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
KC is trying to get a better draft pick than us!!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/10/dwayne-bowe-heading-to-injured-reserve/
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And their fans had the exact same reaction when they read: “Seymour at practice; McClain reinstated.”
December 10th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
If the plan was to keep him in 2013, like you say, then I get it.
But he’s missed major time in both of the last two seasons. Im not a hater. I know how productive he’s been. I was the one very loudly defending him earlier this season.
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I would not doubt the org has given him the time off knowing they are bringing him back next year. They did that earlier this year. There is no reason to have him out there, you can take a look at Bilukidi, Kelly and Bryant, and hopefully bring him back next year with less mileage and hopefully fresher. Makes sense to me…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
players respect leaders..they need to show them how to lead…DA laughs with his azszkicker. not a leader…any other coach comes in, they will play for him. But DA nah…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Yep I wonder what the players thought of MARK and his presser after the saints game?
or Monte Pooles article how mark had to talk to DA on the way home from the bengals game and wanted to know if he had emotion? it wasnt good enough? regression?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Lets say, for arguments sake, Mark Davis tells McKenzie to can DA and a new head coach is brought in.
You think that new coach is going to be accepting of players who didn’t respect the guy that he was replacing?
If they didn’t respect him, how are they going to respect the new dude?
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Players respected Hue…YOu think if Gruden came back he wouldn’t be able to get the team’s respect? His resume commands a little more respect than Tits I’d say.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
“Though it may not look like it in our record and what’s happened on Sundays, this place is headed in the right direction,” Lechler said.
And Allen is the one of the primary reasons the Raiders are headed in the proper direction, Lechler said.
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said. “He’s got my full support. Somewhere in here, we’re going to have to let a guy coach for a few years to figure out. It’s not much different than the college football. You give a guy four years, let him recruit players, let him develop his players and see how they are then, instead of change and change and change. But this is Oakland.”
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This is for you morons that keep telling us over and over that the team has quit on Dennis Allen, that he doesn’t have a clue and should be fired.
Now can you please STFU and try and understand what’s really going on instead of pretending like you know more about rebuilding a franchise than folks that actually WORK in the NFL and are highly thought of by a great many people throughout the league?
It gets tiresome, it really does.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Seymour, Kelly, Shaugnasty, Bryant, Huff, DMAC, Moore, DHB have all regressed under this staff..
December 10th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
The 0-5 errr, 1-4 record to end his tenure? That record?
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Yeah, funny how Hue supporters are so ready to elevate his performance when the team fell apart the last third of the season.
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Y to idiots keep saying “down the stretch” ummm hello ?? whats DA down the stretch? freaking 0-13 down the stretch? Hue had NO GM, NO help, NO owner, NO starting QB, NO DMAC, NO TRAINING CAMP, NO OC, DMOORE, FORD missed alot of time with injuries during that playoff push.
He never made any execuses. Raiders were in it till the last game of the season. was excitment. Go ask Andy Reid how hard it is to win in this league ask DA.
So next time u try to “hate” on hue and his down the stretch record.. jsut know its better then DA/KNAPP will ever do.
8-8 son
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I just dont understand it.
If it wasnt Hue’s fault for the collapse, which I agree, it wasnt….. then its not DA’s fault for the 3-13.
Our team lacks talent. Hue knew it and wanted to gut this team also. So does DA now.
The 8-8 was a mirage due to Hue’s brilliant XBox style play calling. He was never going to get more than that out of these losers. He needed a roster turnover just as bad as DA does.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
If Jason Cole is correct and there are players that do not respond to DA, they will more than likely be playing for another team.
It looks like Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen are in it for the long haul and McKenzie is no where near done to rebuilding the roster to his liking.
We probably won’t recognize the roster next season if McKenzie and Allen are GM and head coach.
I bet if Mark Davis brought in another head coach the results would be the same.
The HC would see the roster and decimate it just like McKenzie is doing due to the lack of talent and desire.
McClain is the epitome of this with his “I have 4 million reasons not to care” comment when he challenged DA which resulted in his suspension
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That depends on the new HC if he brouht in a vet HC who has experience biulding teams he could have almost instant success. You HC is everything, because he sets the direction and hires asistants who can fulfill his expectations. Position coaches are extremely important because they get players to play to their talent level. It depends all on your HC………….period
December 10th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
DA laughing it up with Fox after getting blown out.. Unacceptable – players see that and they check out…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
How many times is Shaub gonna come up small tonight???
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Really?
Ive counted 3 dropped passes by his receivers in the last two drives. 2 by Foster (one was tough) and another by the WR on 4th down.
How is that Schaub’s fault?
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The “drop” by Walter was 100 % on Shaub. That ball should have been thrown to the outside. Shaub threw him right into Arrington. On the next 4th down opportunity, he panicked under pressure and didn’t even give Walter a chance. Then he completely overshoots Jean when he’s wide open over the middle, subjecting him to a big hit just for kicks. How about that terrible interception in the endzone into double coverage when the checkdown to Foster was wide open? Shaub has been awful tonight. No excuses.
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Jean got both hands on the ball. Pro’s catch that. Was it perfect? Not even close. Was it catchable, yes it was. As a WR, you believe you should catch that. Trust me, when they go to the sidelines its the WR apologizing for not making that catch.
On the 4th down, again, not a perfect throw. But it still hit the WR in the numbers. No excuses. The WR’s job is to catch the ball. If you can touch it, you can catch it. If you can get two hands on it, you better catch it.
You obviously never played WR.
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Nope, played corner. Doesn’t change the fact that Shaub has sucked tonight. The pass to Jean was both high AND outside. Turned him around and turned what should have been a routine catch and run into a circus catch. I’d bet you $1 million that Shaub was theone doing the apologizing. With Walter, hit him in the hands, but if the ball is thron correctly, Arrington doesn’t have a chance to break it up. Shaub had time on both plays. A pro QB makes those throws. You obviously never played QB in the NFL.
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In the NFL, to beat teams like New England, you make those catches or you get blown out.
There isnt anymore to it.
If Shaub is off, which he is, so be it. The WR still can make the play. It’s his job.
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And it’s Shaub’s job to deliver the mail. Kind of like Tom Brady is. That’s why Houston is losing 21-0 so far. Shaub needs to get his act together.
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If he hits your hands or chest, he’s done his job. What is so hard for you to understand about that?
Oh wait, you were a CB. Which meant you couldnt catch anyways. Of course youre going to blame the QB. hahaha. Just fvcking with you.
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Well you’re right about one thing, I couldn’t catch. But just because a receiver manages to get his hands on a ball doesn’t mean the QB has done his job. In case you didn’t know, accuracy is huge for NFL QBs. Ceasar from Planet of the Apes can get the ball in the vicinity of the receiver. NFL QBs need to be able to put them in a position to do something with it after they catch it. And they make it look easy. Shaub certainly isn’t doing that tonight. And that’s why they’re down 21-0.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Hue’s total O was Mcfadden , who would have lasted only 6 or 7 games but we will have probably still lost because the teams we faced had pretty much top passing O’s compared to last years teams which only a few of them were good, I like the approach by Reg and DA, sign durable cheap rb and cheap Oline and focus on the D side, you guys think Reg being D minded and DA being D minded they’re going to care more about the O side? LMAO
December 10th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
As much as McClain has been horrible for the raiders .. the Raiders have been horrible for him too.
Drafting a MLB high and putting him a system that he is not use to. The high coaching turnovers on the defense. Lack of a True NT upfront he is use to playing with in 3-4
Maybe mckenzie want to hold on to a 23 yr old Butkus award winner and see what he can get out of him instead of letting him be cut and going to another team that will use him right. Maybe he wants McClain to come back and face his teamates after all that crap he talked about this team??
I love the raiders but if I were a TOP 5 pick I’d be highly skeptical about coming to the Raiders.. something about draft picks that dont pan out ..or they dont develope the players or coaching. Pull a ELI MANNING / San Diego
December 10th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
In the NFL, strong coaching is everything – look at the Niners.. they were terrible for years and now they’re a force. Same players.. (minus Smith and Kap)
December 10th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Lets say, for arguments sake, Mark Davis tells McKenzie to can DA and a new head coach is brought in.
You think that new coach is going to be accepting of players who didn’t respect the guy that he was replacing?
If they didn’t respect him, how are they going to respect the new dude?
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Players respected Hue…YOu think if Gruden came back he wouldn’t be able to get the team’s respect? His resume commands a little more respect than Tits I’d say.
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Funny… Denver’s players didnt whine about DA’s resume last year. They just did what he said and carried Tebow to the playoffs.
Kinda odd what talent and players who are leaders will do for a coaches resume.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
As much as McClain has been horrible for the raiders .. the Raiders have been horrible for him too.
Drafting a MLB high and putting him a system that he is not use to. The high coaching turnovers on the defense. Lack of a True NT upfront he is use to playing with in 3-4
Maybe mckenzie want to hold on to a 23 yr old Butkus award winner and see what he can get out of him instead of letting him be cut and going to another team that will use him right. Maybe he wants McClain to come back and face his teamates after all that crap he talked about this team??
I love the raiders but if I were a TOP 5 pick I’d be highly skeptical about coming to the Raiders.. something about draft picks that dont pan out ..or they dont develope the players or coaching. Pull a ELI MANNING / San Diego
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This is true.
But it applies to the old reggime. Reggie is trying to buck that trend.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
lechlar quit on him too…you think he believes what he is saying…they ir-ed his replacement.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Say Gruden comes in — or any other ‘respected long-time head coach — said dude is going to decimate the roster just like McKenzie is.
They are not going to like what they see.
The Raiders roster as of now is reminiscent of an expansion teams roster.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Even if Mark and Reggie don’t want to get rid of DA, they may have to unless they’re absolutely convinced he’ll somehow turn this thing around by next season.
If we stick with DA, ticket and merchandise sales are already going to be horrendous in 2013. If we play really well and make the playoffs things will come around. Otherwise, fans will turn away for 2014 as well and on and on and on.
The other issue is that we’re going to be rebuilding this roster and that needs to be done to suit who our head coach is going to be for the next 2, 3, 4 years and beyond. Don’t want to waste another offseason acquiring players that won’t fit the scheme the following season if a coaching change is made.
That’s why it makes all the sense in the world to make the move now and get Gruden.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Gotta love Routt.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Tom Brady getting hit a lot now. Notice how that affects his accuracy. Sacks are overrated. I miss Wimbley.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
I’m not interesting in elevating an 8-8 team to a model of efficiency. The prior club under a different coach was 8-8.
I’m also not interesting in attacking Hue Jackson, but he was no panacea any more than this coaching staff is.
It’s the players. We simply don’t have enough players who are talented at their positions so we lose most of our one-on-one battles at those positions. You only have to watch a series or two to see that our O lineman get pushed back on even a running play and that’s not the scheme that causes that.
I know most of us pull for DHB but damn, the kid can fly but has never developed moves. He can’t juke anyone to get free so when he actually does have a step on someone, it’s because he managed to outrun him, not juke him. When it comes to his routes and to his hands, I’ve never seen someone with so much speed less suited to be turned into a wide receiver. He’s an example of player who, like many on our o-line, loses an awful lot of one-on-one battles.
We can’t run draws; old Raider teams could always run a good screen but not these Raider players. Our outlet backs always seem to drop the damn ball. How hard is that to execute?
to those who think Branch is nothing special.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Look at the masterful job done in Seattle and St Louis it all goes back to the HC hiring a great staff. When Kubiak hired Wade Phillips it changed the org.
At this level coaching is paramount………period
December 10th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
“Though it may not look like it in our record and what’s happened on Sundays, this place is headed in the right direction,” Lechler said.
And Allen is the one of the primary reasons the Raiders are headed in the proper direction, Lechler said.
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said. “He’s got my full support. Somewhere in here, we’re going to have to let a guy coach for a few years to figure out. It’s not much different than the college football. You give a guy four years, let him recruit players, let him develop his players and see how they are then, instead of change and change and change. But this is Oakland.”
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This is for you morons that keep telling us over and over that the team has quit on Dennis Allen, that he doesn’t have a clue and should be fired.
Now can you please STFU and try and understand what’s really going on instead of pretending like you know more about rebuilding a franchise than folks that actually WORK in the NFL and are highly thought of by a great many people throughout the league?
It gets tiresome, it really does.
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Right we have the worst 3rd quarter scoring differential in the league. We get our asses blown out consistently…But Lechler says his fellow Aggie knows what he’s doing. So reassuring for me. Why not believe in the guy who ran the 24th ranked defense in Denver who had the top rushing attack in the league. Oh yeah, and he hired Greg Knapp and the Stanford CO-DC. What’s not to like?
Should I repost what Trevor Scott, Housmanzedeh, Seymour said about Hue?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
The 0-5 errr, 1-4 record to end his tenure? That record?
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Yeah, funny how Hue supporters are so ready to elevate his performance when the team fell apart the last third of the season.
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Y to idiots keep saying “down the stretch” ummm hello ?? whats DA down the stretch? freaking 0-13 down the stretch? Hue had NO GM, NO help, NO owner, NO starting QB, NO DMAC, NO TRAINING CAMP, NO OC, DMOORE, FORD missed alot of time with injuries during that playoff push.
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Jackson was 7-4. And then lost it down the stretch. His team fell completely apart, and that is where we are now. The difference is we had to get RID of some of our highest paid players including both starting corners, our best pass rusher, and our backup RB who has been more productive than McFadden. So, given the fact that the team was completely falling apart and then lost some of it’s best players, what did you expect? A super bowl?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
denvers glad he left…doing better without him.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
I’m surrounded by idiots again , this is the same team that went down 34-0 in successive weeks late in the season with everything on line, and people want to say that team is giving up on D? you mean players gave up on Hue last year with playoffs on line? It can’t be that? I mean it has to be talent why they went down 34-0 going into 4th against Miami in 13th week and went down 34-0 midway 3rd quarter the following week against GB, so what is it ? did players give up on Hue even with playoffs on line , or did we just lack talent?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
do you really think any NFL gm doesnt approve hiring of coaches? your wrong about Seymour , if cut next year his signing bonus is accelerated and hits our cap by 5.5 mil
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“The new coach will have the right to hire ANY ASSISTANT HE WANTS” (emphasis added) — Reggie, in his opening presser.
Casserly reported days ago that Seymour’s contract voids out at the end of the league year unless we buy back in. If we don’t buy back in, it expires with no cap hit.
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Wow. You sure about that?
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i asked for link, no response. the signing bonus reggie gave seymour will get spread out over life of contract except if he gets cut, then it accelerated. When seymour gets cuts our cap gets hit by 5.5 million.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
I’ll say it again…
DA and Hubris = Losers.
8-8 is not a winning record by any stretch of the imagination.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
See that pass from Brady Riff?? Watch and learn.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
dont mind new players…just make it an upgrade talent wise. dont replace what talent you have with car wash guys…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Shutdown, DHB’s TD against Denver was exactly what you’re saying he can’t do. hE IS NOT a natural rec’r that much is clear, with that said he is to date our most reliable rec’r.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
To those who think T. Branch is nothing “special.” He’s a good player. You ought not to expect a star at every position. If he had other players in the secondary to complement him, we’d have a very good unit. As to the dollar value I’d place on him: value is based on what you need and what you don’t have.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
DA is here and I’m intrigued to see what the draft and free agency brings.
Do I see a magical turnaround next season?
No. But I’m interested to see if DA improves or continues to freefall.
I’m not giving DA a pass by any stretch, but, I want to see what he does given time.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
So did players give up on Hue when the team went down 34-0 in successive weeks before scoring first points or was it the talent?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Even if Mark and Reggie don’t want to get rid of DA, they may have to unless they’re absolutely convinced he’ll somehow turn this thing around by next season.
If we stick with DA, ticket and merchandise sales are already going to be horrendous in 2013. If we play really well and make the playoffs things will come around. Otherwise, fans will turn away for 2014 as well and on and on and on.
The other issue is that we’re going to be rebuilding this roster and that needs to be done to suit who our head coach is going to be for the next 2, 3, 4 years and beyond. Don’t want to waste another offseason acquiring players that won’t fit the scheme the following season if a coaching change is made.
That’s why it makes all the sense in the world to make the move now and get Gruden.
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Just so you know, ticket sales dont mean much to a teams bottom line. Especially if the team doesnt own the stadium.
The teams relevant revenue comes from the TV money that is split up amongst the teams evenly.
Just a lil FYI.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
chuckys still pissed at the tuck rule…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
If Branch — or any other defensive back — had a front four and front seven that actually harassed and pressured the opposing QB, he would look much better.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
So did players give up on Hue when the team went down 34-0 in successive weeks before scoring first points or was it the talent?
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Talent. Lack of. See Oak Raiders 2003-2012.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
saying DHB and reliable at the same time should be banned from the english language
December 10th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
I’m surrounded by idiots again
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Like the ppl who put stock into DA/ Mckenzie was they have zero proven records.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
516. Spot on.
Coaching is so important at this level. Scheme, leadership, creativity, respect, accountability is what separates the teams. When the NFL shows the coach addressing the team after the games, you see who has *it* – When Hue was miked up last year, we heard and saw it – can’t imagine what that scene looks like in Oak this year. Laughable…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Should I repost what Trevor Scott, Housmanzedeh, Seymour said about Hue?
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By all means. TScott is a marginal player that was only here for a short while, Housh only got his job with the Raiders BECAUSE of Hue, and Seymour is about the least involved “leader” I’ve ever seen on a football team.
Lechler has been here since we were good, and has seen it all. He has credibility regarding the Oakland Raiders that the others don’t have.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
See that pass from Brady Riff?? Watch and learn.
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I saw Donte Stalworth make a one handed catch and take it 63 yards.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Just so you know, ticket sales dont mean much to a teams bottom line. Especially if the team doesnt own the stadium.
The teams relevant revenue comes from the TV money that is split up amongst the teams evenly.
Just a lil FYI.
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Thats why BLACKOUTS are the worst! which reflects Ticket sales
December 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
So did players give up on Hue when the team went down 34-0 in successive weeks before scoring first points or was it the talent?
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Talent. Lack of. See Oak Raiders 2003-2012.
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Exactly and that happened with everything on line and people want to come here and say players have given up on DA whenever we lose by double digits LMAO
December 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Funny… Denver’s players didnt whine about DA’s resume last year. They just did what he said and carried Tebow to the playoffs.
Kinda odd what talent and players who are leaders will do for a coaches resume.
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Our players aren’t calling out DA either(publicly). They also gave up 40 point games in Denver last year like candy on Halloween. But hey, Champ Bailey said he’s a great coach, gee I wonder why. Should I dig up what Jimmy Johnson has to say about what a great HC Norv Turner would be?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Should I repost what Trevor Scott, Housmanzedeh, Seymour said about Hue?
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By all means. TScott is a marginal player that was only here for a short while, Housh only got his job with the Raiders BECAUSE of Hue, and Seymour is about the least involved “leader” I’ve ever seen on a football team.
Lechler has been here since we were good, and has seen it all. He has credibility regarding the Oakland Raiders that the others don’t have.
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Bingo.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Oakland Raiders: Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah
Is there any doubt the Raiders need help at defensive tackle in the wake of Doug Martin’s near-record performance?
Tommy Kelly is a bum who doesn’t care about winning, as evidenced when he laughed after prolonging a San Diego drive with a pair of offside penalties. He’s played so sluggishly this year and was especially bad versus Tampa, so there’s no chance he’s going to see a penny of his $6.5 million salary in 2013. He’s as good as gone, and 15-year-old head coach Dennis Allen lost all respect in the locker room for not cutting him after the opener.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Texans get their arses beat when they play somebody really good.
First GB and now NE.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
mot only blackouts but merchandise…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Say Gruden comes in — or any other ‘respected long-time head coach — said dude is going to decimate the roster just like McKenzie is.
They are not going to like what they see.
The Raiders roster as of now is reminiscent of an expansion teams roster.
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I keep hearing this excuse from the Reggie and DA supporters. And I hear them almost brag about how half the roster was turned over and how half of the guys let go are no longer in the league right now.
So if you say the 2012 team is an expansion team. And you’re of the belief that Reggie is improving the roster from apparently sub-expansion level. Is your argument that Hue Jackson is the greatest coach in the history of the NFL for getting this team to 8-8 last year?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Funny… Denver’s players didnt whine about DA’s resume last year. They just did what he said and carried Tebow to the playoffs.
Kinda odd what talent and players who are leaders will do for a coaches resume.
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Our players aren’t calling out DA either(publicly). They also gave up 40 point games in Denver last year like candy on Halloween. But hey, Champ Bailey said he’s a great coach, gee I wonder why. Should I dig up what Jimmy Johnson has to say about what a great HC Norv Turner would be?
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When SanDiusky had the talent, they were a 13-3 football team.
Norv can coach. The ownership in SD, the Spanos family, is notoriously cheap.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Is it just me or are the Patriots running the Texans’ play-action passes? I swear, looks exactly like what Houston runs…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Shutdown, DHB’s TD against Denver was exactly what you’re saying he can’t do. hE IS NOT a natural rec’r that much is clear, with that said he is to date our most reliable rec’r.
And you know as well as I that in the last few years, that kind of play from him is an anomaly, sad to say. Every time the ball is thrown his way, I hold my breath that he hold on to it. I have stopped praying he catches it with his hands and not his stomach because the praying didn’t work.
I am saying that if you watch him all game, he loses most of his battles in that he isn’t open. He runs a good route only rarely. By a good route, I mean one in which Palmer feels he’s open and not blanketed. I think the secondary of other teams has learned that on most plays, they know, after DHB’s first 5 steps where he’s going.
Nothing would please me more than to see him have more frequent success by being more reliable. BTW, “most reliable rec’r” on this team hasn’t meant that much the last three years.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
branch is nothing special..he doesnt play to his pay..
December 10th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Chris In NY
My argument is Hubris is like DA — Both are losers.
8-8 is a loser. Not a winner.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
I’m surrounded by idiots again
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Like the ppl who put stock into DA/ Mckenzie was they have zero proven records.
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Its okay they have a vision they want to build through D and draft cheap Oline and cheap Rb , and can live with average/ above average O after they get their players on D side, they could not fix the mess on their side because of cap situation, I’ll give them another year
December 10th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
texaints are choking artists never win anything…
December 10th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Should I repost what Trevor Scott, Housmanzedeh, Seymour said about Hue?
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By all means. TScott is a marginal player that was only here for a short while, Housh only got his job with the Raiders BECAUSE of Hue, and Seymour is about the least involved “leader” I’ve ever seen on a football team.
Lechler has been here since we were good, and has seen it all. He has credibility regarding the Oakland Raiders that the others don’t have.
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He said players wouldn’t re-sign with Oakland cuz of firing Tom Cable. Boy that was true.
December 10th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Just so you know, ticket sales dont mean much to a teams bottom line. Especially if the team doesnt own the stadium.
The teams relevant revenue comes from the TV money that is split up amongst the teams evenly.
Just a lil FYI.
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Thats why BLACKOUTS are the worst! which reflects Ticket sales
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Do teams get some of their TV money repo’d if it’s a blackout?
December 10th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Chris In NY
Remember what Al Davis said about Cable at season’s end when he got an 8-8 record?
Cable was proud of the record — as he should have been — at 8-8. Said Raiders were no longer losers.
Al Davis was not amused and basically said 8-8 aren’t winners, either.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
saying DHB and reliable at the same time should be banned from the english language
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I second the motion.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Plenty of coaches have a plan. Only some decent ones are not able to execute it. and Some Average HC/GMS are and it goes all bad.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
If Branch — or any other defensive back — had a front four and front seven that actually harassed and pressured the opposing QB, he would look much better.
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You mean like the 2010 and 2011 years when the D line was top 6 in the league in sacks? Same players ..
December 10th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
It’s funny. I was listening to Chicago radio on the way home agains tonight and some caller asked who the Bears should be looking at for the draft.
The host responded “are you REALLY asking about the draft IN DECEMBER?”
The host said he was banning any further calls about the draft until after the season is over.
He said “How the heck do you have ANY IDEA what your needs even are at this point?”.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
D minded coaches rarely ever make good choices for offensive coaches, but that doesn’t mean they can’t find some one better than Knapp next year, I still want to the focus to be on D, if we have a legit D we would make playoffs 8 outta 10 years in every decade
December 10th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Should I repost what Trevor Scott, Housmanzedeh, Seymour said about Hue?
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By all means. TScott is a marginal player that was only here for a short while, Housh only got his job with the Raiders BECAUSE of Hue, and Seymour is about the least involved “leader” I’ve ever seen on a football team.
Lechler has been here since we were good, and has seen it all. He has credibility regarding the Oakland Raiders that the others don’t have.
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Bingo.
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And Palmer. And Ford. And others talked positive about Hue either when the move was made or since then.
You know who talked bad about Hue and suggested he should’ve been gone? Nobody.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
chuckys still pissed at the tuck rule…
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Thus the “unfinished business” quote.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
“Though it may not look like it in our record and what’s happened on Sundays, this place is headed in the right direction,” Lechler said.
And Allen is the one of the primary reasons the Raiders are headed in the proper direction, Lechler said.
“D.A. is good for this job,” Lechler said. “He’s got my full support. Somewhere in here, we’re going to have to let a guy coach for a few years to figure out. It’s not much different than the college football. You give a guy four years, let him recruit players, let him develop his players and see how they are then, instead of change and change and change. But this is Oakland.”
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This is for you morons that keep telling us over and over that the team has quit on Dennis Allen, that he doesn’t have a clue and should be fired.
Now can you please STFU and try and understand what’s really going on instead of pretending like you know more about rebuilding a franchise than folks that actually WORK in the NFL and are highly thought of by a great many people throughout the league?
It gets tiresome, it really does.
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ET, really you bought that from Lechler? Man I wouldn’t listen to a thing he says. He said the same damn thing about Tom Cable remember? He went bullistic over TOM freakin CABLE. Let me know when Tom gets his next HC job. Lechler is just a blowhard man. We’re 3-10 and he says we’re headed in the right direction……….really! I wonder exactly what direction he’s talking about?
I’m tired of Lechlers big ass mouth. He’s a PUNTER fro cryin’ out loud!!
December 10th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
The worst thing Mark Davis could do after only one full season as owner is to dump the coach that his new GM hired.
It will send a signal to the team and all other players who might wind up a Raider, “See, just as mercurial as his old man, never gonna stick with a coach, never gonna give a coach time to make his mark, never gonna give a coach the power he needs to make players realize “What the coach says, I do.”
December 10th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
imagine what he would say about 3-13…
December 10th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Lecher just talks to hear himself talk.
Thats goes to show you how Raiders have ZERO leaders.. i mean punters talking really? lmao. U hear Andy lee talking with the niners?? NAh..
Lecher says the same thing every year. He was pissed when Cable was gone. He stood up big time for HUE JACKSON.. now his texas AM buddy.
Nevermind the Raiders have given up the most points, had the worst month of football since AFL days pre Al era. I know it doesnt mean shyyt to most fans. To mee it does. Disgraceful..
December 10th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
DA and REG will be back and we will def find out about their vision next year, i really don’t think they cared about their record this year, Infact finishing bad could mean they could draft a beast pass rusher like Damontre Moore and build a bad ass Dline , no QB would like to face
December 10th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
yeah we dont want a signal saying we want to win…
December 10th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
The way some of you guys talk it sound like Dennis Allen took over a 12-4 team, added Aaron Rogers and Marshawn Lynch and now we have this. Not quite the reality…
December 10th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Should I repost what Trevor Scott, Housmanzedeh, Seymour said about Hue?
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By all means. TScott is a marginal player that was only here for a short while, Housh only got his job with the Raiders BECAUSE of Hue, and Seymour is about the least involved “leader” I’ve ever seen on a football team.
Lechler has been here since we were good, and has seen it all. He has credibility regarding the Oakland Raiders that the others don’t have.
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Bingo.
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And Palmer. And Ford. And others talked positive about Hue either when the move was made or since then.
You know who talked bad about Hue and suggested he should’ve been gone? Nobody.
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Agreed.
But where you guys sound stupid is that by supporting Hue, you somehow think that by default you have to hate DA.
The reality is, DA is going thru the same issues with the same core players that Hue had to deal with.
Is Knapp as good as Hue? Of course not. Hue is one of the top 2 situational playcallers in the game alongside Norv Turner. But Knapp is still a NFL caliber OC. Mediocre is fine. Mediocre coaches can do a lot with good talent, of which we dont have, and neither did Hue.
The whole “I love Hue so I must hate DA/Knapp” thing is so juvenile.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
“I’m feeling really good about this upcoming season,” he said. “From everybody we picked up in the draft to just where we left off last season. We went 8-8, going 6-0 in the division was incredible and something that hasn’t been done with the Raiders in a long, long time. It just really stunk that we missed the playoffs.” Scott thinks the promotion of Hue Jackson to head coach may help the Raiders clear that next hurdle and land them a spot not only in the playoffs, but eventually in the Super Bowl. “I think Hue Jackson getting hired as a head coach is a huge step forward,” Scott stated with Richardson very much approving. “It kind of stinks seeing coach Cable go . . . he did nothing but go up every single year, so best wishes to him, but I feel like Hue Jackson is going to take that next step to where we were and he’s going to take us to where we want to go and that is to win the AFC Championship and then win the Super Bowl.”
Veteran defensive end Richard Seymour agreed that Jackson didn’t lose the support of his players.
“No, not at all,” Seymour said Tuesday from his offseason home in Georgia. “I didn’t hear any rumblings about that. I heard news reports make more of a deal about it than it actually was. I feel like Hue did a good job and made great strides as a coach.”
“He was very meticulous in his thought process. In terms of getting the team ready to play, every day he challenged the team to go out and be better than the day before. Even in practice, as a team, I just thought we gave it all we had, every day since training camp.”
Wideout T.J. Houshmandzadeh, a midseason signee who Jackson knew from his time as a Cincinnati Bengals assistant, concurred with Seymour, saying in a telephone interview, “I don’t think he lost the locker room, and I’d be eager to find a guy who didn’t think he did a good job. I would be hard-pressed to find a guy who didn’t like Hue. I’ll bet you San Diego, Kansas City and Denver like this move, because we would have been good next year with Hue.”
I’m sure veterans like Seymour & Houshmandzadeh know nothing about successful franchises.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Nevermind the Raiders have given up the most points, had the worst month of football since AFL days pre Al era. I know it doesnt mean shyyt to most fans. To mee it does. Disgraceful..
i second this…
December 10th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Should I repost what Trevor Scott, Housmanzedeh, Seymour said about Hue?
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By all means. TScott is a marginal player that was only here for a short while, Housh only got his job with the Raiders BECAUSE of Hue, and Seymour is about the least involved “leader” I’ve ever seen on a football team.
Lechler has been here since we were good, and has seen it all. He has credibility regarding the Oakland Raiders that the others don’t have.
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Bingo.
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And Palmer. And Ford. And others talked positive about Hue either when the move was made or since then.
You know who talked bad about Hue and suggested he should’ve been gone? Nobody.
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I remember his colleagues had some things to say about him.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Lecher just talks to hear himself talk.
Thats goes to show you how Raiders have ZERO leaders.. i mean punters talking really? lmao. U hear Andy lee talking with the niners?? NAh..
Lecher says the same thing every year. He was pissed when Cable was gone. He stood up big time for HUE JACKSON.. now his texas AM buddy.
Nevermind the Raiders have given up the most points, had the worst month of football since AFL days pre Al era. I know it doesnt mean shyyt to most fans. To mee it does. Disgraceful..
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A lot of truth to this.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Wrong Reggie / Palmer cared about their record. Reggie had big expectations. That was his mistake he didnt manage the expectations.
Plenty of GMs/ HC have come to a new team and fugged it up. Time will tell if Reggie is any good. I still ahve faith in him.
DA/KNAPP ZERO. DA hiring Knapp made be skeptical. KNAPP has taken down many of HC and gotten em fired. LANE KIFFIN, JIM MORA JR, when he was in seattle Knapp was horrible
you are only as good as the staff u put together.. right now str8 clowns coaching
December 10th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
553.MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Should I repost what Trevor Scott, Housmanzedeh, Seymour said about Hue?
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By all means. TScott is a marginal player that was only here for a short while, Housh only got his job with the Raiders BECAUSE of Hue, and Seymour is about the least involved “leader” I’ve ever seen on a football team.
Lechler has been here since we were good, and has seen it all. He has credibility regarding the Oakland Raiders that the others don’t have.
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He said players wouldn’t re-sign with Oakland cuz of firing Tom Cable. Boy that was true.
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Actually, it was, although (as in the case of Robert Gallery) money could have been a factor as well.
Gallery did follow Cable to Seattle, though.
Based on what we saw at the end of the season last year, Lechler may have been a bit prophetic. Some players may not have been in a position to re-sign with the Raiders, but they were in a position to keep playing for the team. It appears based on results that some may have chosen not to.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Shutdown Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
The worst thing Mark Davis could do after only one full season as owner is to dump the coach that his new GM hired.
It will send a signal to the team and all other players who might wind up a Raider, “See, just as mercurial as his old man, never gonna stick with a coach, never gonna give a coach time to make his mark, never gonna give a coach the power he needs to make players realize “What the coach says, I do.”
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This is so true. Even tho I want Gruden, I understand why he is the ONLY replacement to even be considered.
The actual smart move is to stay the course.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
DA, et al will be back next year and the players on the team will have already checked out for 2013 – the ones added will get that same feeling right quick.. 4-12 next year.. at best. If Reggie’s plan is to crap the bed for a couple years and rebuild entire roster of players coming in knowing they will lose, he’s doing a fine job.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Even Tom Cable got Play calling duties away from knapp haha and OL HC taking control.
I guess he was tired of the same predictable 10 plays called every game.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
ten and then….
December 10th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
For a team that hasn’t had a winning season or a playoff berth since 2002, there’s a lot of confidence flowing through the Raiders organization.
Quarterback Carson Palmer declared last weekend he thought they were a playoff team, and new General Manager Reggie McKenzie doesn’t disagree.
“I think after being around these guys the whole offseason, being around the coaching staff and the players, I definitely think we have the makeup of being a playoff team,” McKenzie said, via Monte Poole of the Bay Area News Group. “I feel what Carson is saying, as far as where we’re headed. We’re headed in the direction to where we can get there
Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie agrees they can be a playoff team
Posted by Darin Gantt on July 26, 2012, 10:28 AM EST
profootball talk.
Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie agrees they can be a playoff team
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/26/raiders-gm-reggie-mckenzie-agrees-they-can-be-a-playoff-team/
BOOM! I guess Mckenzie did care about his record.. so MCKENZIE trying to buy his coaches some more time now .. changing his tune saying it was a rebuild year lol..
what else Mcfadden20? i mean Da’s nephew. Quick think of some more propoganda
December 10th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
566,
Alot of guys are just so happy Al is gone and that we are starting to become just like the other 31 organizationally.
They wouldn’t care if we changed the uniforms to bright orange and green.
They are content with a loooong lengthy rebuild cuz Raiders aren’t even their primary team.
It’s like me making suggesting what the Saints should do for instance. I don’t hate the Saints per se, but i don’t like e’m either.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
The Patriots defense looks about the best I’ve seen it in years. if I was a betting man I might take them to win it all. The defense seems very consistent lately.
If they can stay healthy that defense could be the difference.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
doesnt it even matter anymore if the players liked Hue..isnt he gone with no chance of returning? i get the guys with man crushes on Hue are pissed, but i dont get why its always a topic. Hue is gone, not coming back and we have bigger issues.please move on
December 10th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie agrees they can be a playoff team
July 26th
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/26/raiders-gm-reggie-mckenzie-agrees-they-can-be-a-playoff-team/
December 10th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
We can dump on DA, McKenzie, Hubris, Cable, etc., etc. all we want.
Truth of matter is, Mark Davis is the only one that can make the call on whether or not to axe DA and McKenzie.
A lot of blame has been pinned on McKenzie and DA — rightfully so — Raider fans are disgusted by what they see from the team on gamedays.
Some are infuriated and want everyone gone.
Some are patient and eager to see what the future holds for the current staff.
Still, there is only one man to blame in this mess — Mark Davis.
He hired McKenzie and DA.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
dont bother mcxcuse with facts…he is too busy licking reggies boots.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Nevermind the Raiders have given up the most points, had the worst month of football since AFL days pre Al era. I know it doesnt mean shyyt to most fans. To mee it does. Disgraceful..
i second this…
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I third it.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Riff,
I don’t hate DA just because I support Hue. I did say before Hue was fired and immediately after that it was a big mistake. But I also said that just because firing Hue was a mistake didn’t mean that Dennis Allen would be a bad coach. If we were 8-5 right now you wouldn’t see so much Hue talk in here, if any.
The reality is we’re 3-10 and have had our doors blown off in most of those losses. After two years of being a competitive 8-8 team and at least being able to enjoy the football season right until the last week, our season was basically over by Halloween this year. We’re right back to the worst of the Art Shell-Norv-Kiffin years. I think most fans know there was no reason for us to regress this poorly and we have little confidence in Dennis Allen to be the guy to right the ship.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
“A lot of blame has been pinned on McKenzie and DA — rightfully so — Raider fans are disgusted by what they see from the team on gamedays.”
I don’t the blame placed is “rightfully so.”
I think the fans had/have unrealistic expectations, esp, the fans here who maintain they know football and they know talent.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
daynmn halloween…this season has been a blur when you dont expect much…
December 10th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie agrees they can be a playoff team
July 26th
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/26/raiders-gm-reggie-mckenzie-agrees-they-can-be-a-playoff-team/
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Bingo, it why reggie resigned seymour, franchised branch then gave him a long term contract, signed briesel the bust..all the moves hurt us next year cause reggie the rookie gm didnt know how bad our players were.Reggie failed in 2012 but no excuses in 2013
December 10th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
The way some of you guys talk it sound like Dennis Allen took over a 12-4 team, added Aaron Rogers and Marshawn Lynch and now we have this. Not quite the reality…
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Maybe he didn’t but he sure didn’t get a 3-13 team either losing 6 straight is a sure signal that it aint OK back at the farm.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Exactly when Reggie was predicting playoffs he didn’t say jack squat about the salary cap issues & lack of depth.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Like Mark said and told Monte Poole.. ya he talked to DA after the bengal game .. but this isnt your typical franchise. ITs different down here whether it be right or wrong.
I also think DA/reggie understimated the fan base.. how loud they can be and Mark does listen to the fans. I mean why else would he have a presser in the middle of the season ..how pissed he was?? No other owner does that really but Jerry Jones lol
December 10th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Riff,
I don’t hate DA just because I support Hue. I did say before Hue was fired and immediately after that it was a big mistake. But I also said that just because firing Hue was a mistake didn’t mean that Dennis Allen would be a bad coach. If we were 8-5 right now you wouldn’t see so much Hue talk in here, if any.
The reality is we’re 3-10 and have had our doors blown off in most of those losses. After two years of being a competitive 8-8 team and at least being able to enjoy the football season right until the last week, our season was basically over by Halloween this year. We’re right back to the worst of the Art Shell-Norv-Kiffin years. I think most fans know there was no reason for us to regress this poorly and we have little confidence in Dennis Allen to be the guy to right the ship.
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Concur with that one too.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
The “playoff team” that RM said they “can be” went out the window with the depletion of the secondary and with the loss of our main back.
You must recall that RM also pointed out that we were very thin, that we couldn’t sustain injuries to first stringers and have those expectations…then the worst did occur.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Riff,
I don’t hate DA just because I support Hue. I did say before Hue was fired and immediately after that it was a big mistake. But I also said that just because firing Hue was a mistake didn’t mean that Dennis Allen would be a bad coach. If we were 8-5 right now you wouldn’t see so much Hue talk in here, if any.
The reality is we’re 3-10 and have had our doors blown off in most of those losses. After two years of being a competitive 8-8 team and at least being able to enjoy the football season right until the last week, our season was basically over by Halloween this year. We’re right back to the worst of the Art Shell-Norv-Kiffin years. I think most fans know there was no reason for us to regress this poorly and we have little confidence in Dennis Allen to be the guy to right the ship.
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Chris, i will back u up that you have the biggest man crush on Hue jackson.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Shutdown
Agreed.
I have personally saw a terrible collegiate football team run into the gutter for three-straight years.
A new head coach was brought in and it took said dude 3 years before a winning record was attained.
After the 3 trying years, the team improved by two wins each season before winning a conference title.
Sure, the college game and professional game are two totally different animals, but, the coach was given time to build and progress.
Would like to see DA get the same.
But again, that is Mark Davis’ call.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
i recall reggie getting rid of our secondary…the sane secondary that got us to 8-8…
December 10th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
From what I read on the ‘net and heard on TV and radio, the Mark Davis’ presser was more of an impromptu thing.
He was coming out of DA’s office and media members began talking to him. The one asked if this stuff was on the record and Davis said yes.
And that is how it went.
Once he said yes, more and more media surrounded him.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
584. You’re right.
Hue is gone and there is no turning back. Pissed and saddened how it all went down, we were a contender in Jan 2012 but now its a complete disaster, really all for no reason other than Markie D’s personal issues. I won’t mention him again.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
The “playoff team” that RM said they “can be” went out the window with the depletion of the secondary and with the loss of our main back.
You must recall that RM also pointed out that we were very thin, that we couldn’t sustain injuries to first stringers and have those expectations…then the worst did occur.
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so dont be mad at hue and his 1-4 down the stretch.. when he lost DMAC, JCampbell, Mr. Davis, When Rolando went thug on the team, when DMOORE,FORD missed alot of time the last part of the season. HE never made execuses. Yet fans hold him to that he didnt reach the playoffs.
Cant have it both ways
December 10th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
The way some of you guys talk it sound like Dennis Allen took over a 12-4 team, added Aaron Rogers and Marshawn Lynch and now we have this. Not quite the reality…
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No. The reality is Dennis Allen took over a 16-16 team over the last two years and there’s a real good chance he goes 3-13 with them this year.
And it’s not like DA has some track record that would convince anyone to have anything more than blind faith in him. He was a defensive coordinator for ONE season (working under a defensive-minded head coach) in which he led teh 20th ranked defense which was bounced from the playoffs when it gave up 45 points.
There is no fair, honest way anyone can look at this situation and say Dennis Allen has even EARNED the right to coach another year. He may get it strictly out of pride from the GM and owner, or because he’s got another three years on his contract. But I don’t think even Reggie could argue that DA EARNED anything this season.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
but reggie felt the heat..he had lunch with “select” media to tell his excuses…i mean side of the story
December 10th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
I think we are missing something when mentioning getting rid of Tarver! Who the heck did we have to start with on D? No CB’s but Chimdi left from last year, We got a rookie Burris learning while manning the Middle of the D with a new player in wheeler Please! We didn’t do as bad as i expected against Denver in a short week! I think we do need to get some players and then evaluate the Coaches! Knapp gets my goat! But I will let it carry over to next year as far as Im concerned. Go Raiders!
December 10th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
From what I read on the ‘net and heard on TV and radio, the Mark Davis’ presser was more of an impromptu thing.
He was coming out of DA’s office and media members began talking to him. The one asked if this stuff was on the record and Davis said yes.
And that is how it went.
Once he said yes, more and more media surrounded him.
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im not talking about that. Im talking about the “content” of the presser. Reggression, being pissed. then go read Pooles article. He is questioning DA .. didnt know if he has emotion etc. Im sure he still hold alot of questions about the guy. No other owner is doing that to ROOKIE HC in the PUBLIC
December 10th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
but reggie felt the heat..he had lunch with “select” media to tell his excuses…i mean side of the story
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Yep he must have forgot about the “WE CAN BE a PLAYOFF TEAM” .. alot of KoolAid being handed out these days.
Not me.. I wont drink. DONT TELL ME ,SHOW ME
December 10th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Just a quick point for all you guys calling Reggie a dummy. The new contract he wrote for Seymour that changed his pay from 15 mill to 3 mill this year voided for next year based on Seymour missing games. We owe him nothing and take no cap hit next year for him.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Ah, RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit, I hear you.
The most intriguing aspect of his answers was the “I have my own idea” regarding the QB situation, but, he didn’t want to share.
That raised my eyebrows.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
why no one quedtions the defense being so bad after Reggie cut/let walk players…it has nothing to do with money…
December 10th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
A lot that is attributed to success occurs because of synchronity…component parts happen to fit together, often due to luck. Consider Bill Belichick, someone I am sure you feel is a good, maybe even a brilliant coach.
I just checked Wiki-
“From 1991 until 1995, Belichick was the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. During his tenure in Cleveland he compiled a 36–44 record, leading the team to the playoffs in 1994, his only winning year with the team.”
Brady…a good owner…and voila.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Lechler will go to another team for 1/3 of his current salary maybe less if they’re a contender – Al made him rich and the years of terrible teams gave him the most attempts in the history of the league to make his name.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
599,
It CAN be done alot quicker if you make the right moves.
Everytime I mention a team that HAS turned around quickly i hear a litany of reasons why our situation is so much worse and we can’t possibly be one of those teams.
You need smart people who know what they are doing, but it has been done many times.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
It’s so simple it’s sickening. All Reggie had to do was:
Keep Hue and let him gameplan and build around Palmer and McFadden
Resign Bush
Hire a bona dude DC
A couple of tweaks here and there and we are really good. Hues irrational firing is a footnote in Raider history.
Reggie and DA have created a monumental mess that ain’t gonna get cleaned up over night. And to hell with the ZBS. It’ll be outlawed next year. Another oversight by these guys. They ruined what could have been a good thing. Good luck climbing outta this hole. Reggie and DA apologists need to realize this. It really is that simple. That is why it is so sickening.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
CDERaider
Lechler is from Texas, so, if he is not a Raider, I’d see him punting for the Cowboys or Texans.
Love Shane, but, the Raiders can use the money in other areas which are more pressing.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Bcz24 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Just a quick point for all you guys calling Reggie a dummy. The new contract he wrote for Seymour that changed his pay from 15 mill to 3 mill this year voided for next year based on Seymour missing games. We owe him nothing and take no cap hit next year for him.
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can you show me a link for that, because the signing bonus already paid to seymour was prorated over the life of the contract. if that contract ends the signing bonus is accelerated. if what your saying is true, seymours agent was stupid enough to recommend not taking 7.5 mil by being cut this year, and then playing for 3 mil and getting nothing?
December 10th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
*bona fide. (Stupid assed auto correct)
December 10th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Los Raida Locos
I keep hearing stories Mark Davis was the one who told Reggie McKenzie to ax Hue.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
bcz24 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Just a quick point for all you guys calling Reggie a dummy. The new contract he wrote for Seymour that changed his pay from 15 mill to 3 mill this year voided for next year based on Seymour missing games. We owe him nothing and take no cap hit next year for him.
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And this is BECAUSE he missed games this year?
December 10th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
If Lechler is willing to take 1/3rd of his current salary he will retire a Raider. The ONLY reason to consider letting Lechler go is for money, King is NOT a better punter.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
#620…Hue believed that and a member of the Bay Media(Corkran?) said that as well.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
And this is BECAUSE he missed games this year?
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Correct, there was a void clause in the new contract based on play time.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
It’s so simple it’s sickening. All Reggie had to do was:
Keep Hue and let him gameplan and build around Palmer and McFadden
Resign Bush
Hire a bona dude DC
A couple of tweaks here and there and we are really good. Hues irrational firing is a footnote in Raider history.
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What about the $35mm you are over the cap? Sorry, you resigned Mike Bush. The $42mm you are now over the cap?
December 10th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
People on here keep saying, “IF Reggie had kept Hue”, “All Reggie had to do was keep Hue”, blah blah blah.
MOVE ON.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Sickening.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Is Mark an alcoholic? Is he prone to losing his objectivity at the wrong time (in front of press).
I hope someone took him aside and told him, “Don’t you know that just because a coach doesn’t throw things, doesn’t demean people, doesn’t use vulgarities, all in public in front of cameras, that that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have intensity, that that doesn’t mean he doesn’t care?”
I am suspicious of Mark. When people are raised in dysfunction, as much as they hate aspects of their experience, they come to see dysfunctional and destructive behavior as normal, as typical. Ohhhhhh, nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Los Raida Locos
I keep hearing stories Mark Davis was the one who told Reggie McKenzie to ax Hue.
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Then Mark blew it. He’s gotta know it now.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Los Raida Locos
A footnote in Raider history..
Chalk up DA as another one…
All we have to look forward to is Reggie building something in the draft next 2-3 years..
December 10th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Zone blocking is for little girls.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Bush left, he never offered the opportunity to us to retain him. Go back to last years holdout. He was unhappy with how Al didn’t pay him more than the RFA tender. That ain’t on Reggie.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Bcz24 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Just a quick point for all you guys calling Reggie a dummy. The new contract he wrote for Seymour that changed his pay from 15 mill to 3 mill this year voided for next year based on Seymour missing games. We owe him nothing and take no cap hit next year for him.
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Sure. But who is going to take his place? Bryant has been blown off the line, Kelly plays the other position, is Bilukidi the answer? Or do you take a DT 3 overall? To me you would keep Seymour one more year, and figure out what to do with Kelly.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
my only hope is that amy can talk numbers to mark and carol….
December 10th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Los Raida Locos
I keep hearing stories Mark Davis was the one who told Reggie McKenzie to ax Hue.
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Nevermind Locos.
He’s a bonafide idiot. Anyone who is still blaming Reggie for Hue being fired is a total moron. We all know it was Marks decision.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
According to a league source, Seymour lowered his $7.5 million fully guaranteed base salary to the league minimum ($925,000) with the remaining $6.575 million converted to a guaranteed roster bonus that will be treated as a signing bonus for salary cap purposes. Seymour’s adjusted base salary is fully guaranteed and another season, with a $7.5 million base salary and $7.5 million roster bonus, was tacked onto Seymour’s contract to allow the roster bonus to be prorated over the maximum allowable number of years (five).
The move reduces Seymour’s cap number from $14.068 million to $8.808 million, a cap savings of $5.98 million for the 2012 season. Seymour’s cap numbers in 2013-15 will increase from $17.818 million to $19.133 million.
6.5 MILLION ROSTER BONUS TREATED AS A SIGNING BONUS GUARANTEED AND PRORATED OVER LIFE OF CONTRACT..STILL 5mil+ left..
December 10th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Al Davis never had cap problems.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Post 615 nailed it.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
617 i read that too
December 10th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Bcz24 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Bush left, he never offered the opportunity to us to retain him. Go back to last years holdout. He was unhappy with how Al didn’t pay him more than the RFA tender. That ain’t on Reggie.
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Again, Locos is allergic to the facts.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Speaking of which…
Via Rotoworld and the SF Chronicles’ Vic Tafur
Richard Seymour – DL – Raiders
Raiders DT Richard Seymour’s contract will void at season’s end, and he will become an unrestricted free agent.
Seymour restructured his deal in March, which turned his $7.5 million fully guaranteed base salary for this year into a $925,000 base with a $6.575 million guaranteed roster bonus. Among the restructuring’s details, Seymour’s final four years and $30 million have voided. The 33-year-old has recorded 15 tackles and three sacks in eight games this season. Seymour has missed five games with a hamstring injury.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
reggie never attempted to sign bush…
December 10th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
626…
Reggie is not going to be fired, but if you wish him to be and if you think your voice might be heard, call or write the Raider organization. Your protestations here are redundant, boring.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Micheal Bush – 4 years / $14 million
Mike Briesel – 5 years/ $20 million
nuff said..
December 10th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Post 615 nailed it.
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Nevermind the fact that he has well documented facts backwards.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Anyone who is still blaming Reggie for Hue being fired is a total moron. We all know it was Marks decision.
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Mark even revealed as much in a recent comment where he stated he wasn’t happy losing 4 of 5 to finish the year.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Reggie hired DA. That’s gotta account for something.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Al worked the cap.
The CAP worked Reggie.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
“Resign Bush”
You seem to forget that Mr. Bush wanted the money of the lead back and we are an organization that had/has so many needs the money was needed for other reasons.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Anyone who is still blaming Reggie for Hue being fired is a total moron. We all know it was Marks decision.
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Mark even revealed as much in a recent comment where he stated he wasn’t happy losing 4 of 5 to finish the year.
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That was all on the DC.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
#620…Hue believed that and a member of the Bay Media(Corkran?) said that as well.
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The agent for Hue and Reggie was on the record telling a reporter a couple of hours before the press conference that day that it was Mark Davis’ call. Not sure if that’s the main source for the rumor or if there are corroborating sources.
Mark very clearly stated during the press conference that it was RM’s decision. Either the agent and other sources (if any) misunderstood, or Mark was lying in the press conference and again recently when he talked about not “fighting to keep Hue Jackson,” clearly implying that it was Reggie’s idea and not his own.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
599,
It CAN be done alot quicker if you make the right moves.
Everytime I mention a team that HAS turned around quickly i hear a litany of reasons why our situation is so much worse and we can’t possibly be one of those teams.
You need smart people who know what they are doing, but it has been done many times.
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I have certainly been one who has put a cold water bucket on the “we can turn this around in a year” bandwagon. And not that it can’t be done, I just don’t want fans to have unrealistic expectations. You see fans had unrealistic expectations coming into this year, and its caused a mess.
If you would like I can give a solid plan on what would need to happen to turn this around quickly. Problem is most of you would hate this.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
See post 640 for one of Reggie’s biggest blunders.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Gentlemen, our leader. ET phone home?
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4f0de2e36bb3f73d7f000045/mark-davis-oakland-raiders.jpg
December 10th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
If you go back and read the articles, both the words themselves and between the lines, the reason Hue was let go was because Mark didn’t trust him, and another is because Hue didn’t want a GM over him. It’s pretty obvious that Mark’s father and those to whom his father entrusted some of his feelings (liKe Madden)didn’t see Hue as GM material or as head coach/gm combo material, yet that’s really what Hue wanted.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
So according to SF Chron beatwriter Vic Tafur, Raiders off the hook for Seymour as the final four years of his deal voided.
Seymour will be an unrestricted free agent.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Reggie fired Hue because he wanted his own guy.
Check your facts.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
The only way Dennis Allen and his staff get canned in three weeks is if Mark does Reggie too. That way he can say hey fans I put my trust and faith in a guy I was told was qualified. Then he can hire the only man and get away with it,..yes,..Jon Gruden. If he cans Reggie and Dennis and the rest, then just goes out and hires another gm and coach,..well Mark will be crucified. However, if he does it to bring Jon back he will in one move become a savior to the Raider Nation,..he will be loved. If he cant get Jon heck with it, ride out Reggie and Allen for a few years, see how it works out. But its either Jon returning, or keep this staff together,..no other plan will work. Ok, my works done here for the night,..youre all very welcome.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Micheal Bush – 4 years / $14 million
Mike Briesel – 5 years/ $20 million
nuff said..
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Simply stunning. And brilliant I might add.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
The way some of you guys talk it sound like Dennis Allen took over a 12-4 team, added Aaron Rogers and Marshawn Lynch and now we have this. Not quite the reality…
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No. The reality is Dennis Allen took over a 16-16 team over the last two years and there’s a real good chance he goes 3-13 with them this year.
And it’s not like DA has some track record that would convince anyone to have anything more than blind faith in him. He was a defensive coordinator for ONE season (working under a defensive-minded head coach) in which he led teh 20th ranked defense which was bounced from the playoffs when it gave up 45 points.
There is no fair, honest way anyone can look at this situation and say Dennis Allen has even EARNED the right to coach another year. He may get it strictly out of pride from the GM and owner, or because he’s got another three years on his contract. But I don’t think even Reggie could argue that DA EARNED anything this season.
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Agreed 100%. I’m really confused on why anyone believes DA has earned another year. There hasn’t been any progress made during the year and we are getting worse by the week. DA doesn’t have a track record and this year has been a complete disaster. I’m tired of the excuses especially by Reggie, DA and Knapp.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Predictions for Sunday’s game?
December 10th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
599,
It CAN be done alot quicker if you make the right moves.
Everytime I mention a team that HAS turned around quickly i hear a litany of reasons why our situation is so much worse and we can’t possibly be one of those teams.
You need smart people who know what they are doing, but it has been done many times.
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I have certainly been one who has put a cold water bucket on the “we can turn this around in a year” bandwagon. And not that it can’t be done, I just don’t want fans to have unrealistic expectations. You see fans had unrealistic expectations coming into this year, and its caused a mess.
If you would like I can give a solid plan on what would need to happen to turn this around quickly. Problem is most of you would hate this.
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Question: Does 16-16 to 3-13 qualify as “turning it around in one year.” I think you could make that argument. Clearly it’s around in the wrong direction, but there’s no arguing it would be a very dramatic change of course, no?
December 10th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
CDERaider
Sunday – Raiders 13, Chiefs 10.
Sending Bowe to IR has Chiefs deadset on getting No. 1 pick.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
In fairness to Reggie, who I like, he inherited the biggest F`n mess in the NFL,…if hes here for years turning things around Im ok with that. As Iv always said, my best case scenario is Reggie stays and continues to build a team,..and Jon Gruden coaches it.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
599,
It CAN be done alot quicker if you make the right moves.
Everytime I mention a team that HAS turned around quickly i hear a litany of reasons why our situation is so much worse and we can’t possibly be one of those teams.
You need smart people who know what they are doing, but it has been done many times.
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I have certainly been one who has put a cold water bucket on the “we can turn this around in a year” bandwagon. And not that it can’t be done, I just don’t want fans to have unrealistic expectations. You see fans had unrealistic expectations coming into this year, and its caused a mess.
If you would like I can give a solid plan on what would need to happen to turn this around quickly. Problem is most of you would hate this.
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My expectations was a 7/8 win team. Instead we are the worst team in the league along with KC. We are terrible and getting worse by the week. To except the fact that we are this bad this year is irresponsible as a raider fan.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
599,
It CAN be done alot quicker if you make the right moves.
Everytime I mention a team that HAS turned around quickly i hear a litany of reasons why our situation is so much worse and we can’t possibly be one of those teams.
You need smart people who know what they are doing, but it has been done many times.
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Yeah, its been done many times, by normal organizations.
We arent the normal franchise. We were unique in ways that were different than any franchise in the history of pro sports.
The only other franchise that is run the same fashion is the Bengals. The only difference, is the owner there doesnt think he knows football. That made them marginally better than the Al Davis led Raiders.
Stop acting like erasing 5 decades of Al was going to be a easy transition.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Sadly…
Chiefs 17, Raiders 10
December 10th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
cz24 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Just a quick point for all you guys calling Reggie a dummy. The new contract he wrote for Seymour that changed his pay from 15 mill to 3 mill this year voided for next year based on Seymour missing games. We owe him nothing and take no cap hit next year for him.
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You cant void a signing bonus. Seymour bonus prorated over life of contract which means when he’s cut next year it hits our cap by 5+mil
December 10th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Dont look now, BUT CAM NEWTON IS BACK!!! this dude is on fire for the last 4 weeks, and looks better than he did last year.
he is now allowed to go under center and has full use of the audible system.
The oc chudzinzki has finally learned that relying too heavily on newton running and not having a solid quick passing facet to his offense is in fact holding newton back. the zone read keeper should only be an occasional accent.
newton destroyed the falcons.
You are looking at the future of the nfc playoffs for the next several years with qbs like newton freeman kappy rgIII and wilson battling it out and eliminating one another for the next 10 years. ************************************ BAAAAAAWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA best laugh i’ve had in years….you should be on the comedy channel.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
CDERaider
I can see 17-10 Chiefs becoming a reality as well.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Mike Bush sucks in Chicago,..already worn down and the Bears are falling apart,…getting rid of Bush not that big a deal,..Reg knew the team sucked, knew giving big bucks to a RB that is a backup would be stupid. Look we are 3-10,..if Bush still here we are 3-10. Word.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
People who get mad at the people are MAD that we’re in this situation aren’t facing reality. No one in their right mind wants to lose like we’re losing.
You don’t have to agree with those who are upset, but to acty as if they’re somehow irrational is just as unrealistic as you say they are.
Everyone in here damn near was delirious with excite over this new “Reggime” saying how greta it is to amongst the normal NFL teams and they would see how crazy Al Davis actually was finally.
Only to get this crap shoved down their collective throats, to ask them to just hang on it’ll all work out. What are YOU basing this opinion on this pronise that we’re headed in the right direction. What is it based on because No one responsible has a track record of which to look at and believe in.
So to look at those who say they’re pissed and upset as though they’re being irrational is straight BS. Plain and simple, I don’t have one bit of faith in “The Reggime” to get anything done until THEY SHOW ME that they can…….period
December 10th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Predictions for Sunday’s game?
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2-0. Not sure who wins.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Vic Tafur
@VicTafur
Seymour has missed 5 games with hamstring injury, & will become a free agent as his contract voids at end of season
One has to wonder if the Raiders simply told Dick to collect his check and sit out the games so contract could void.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Im pretty darn sure the Pats play the Niners in the superbowl,…and the biggest story they will play up is Toms love for the Niners as a kid growing up in San Mateo,..oh baby the networks cant wait for that!
Niners 38
Patriots 28
December 10th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Can reggie lovers just admit he’s had a bad year. Yes the players are bad, yes DA is over his head, but Reggie had a bad year. Ok so list all the excuses, but will you at least admit that in 2013 Reggie has no excuses.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Yo Priest,..you want Jon Gruden back? Tell me now,..then I will consider getting you back in with Gary,..I got you banned again the other day, dont remember why,..I was drunk,..you must have pissed me off.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Vic Tafur
@VicTafur
Seymour has missed 5 games with hamstring injury, & will become a free agent as his contract voids at end of season
One has to wonder if the Raiders simply told Dick to collect his check and sit out the games so contract could void.
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yes , but he was paid a signing bonus that was being prorated over the life of the contract. when that contract is voided, the bonus accelerates and hits our cap by 5.5 mil
December 10th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Mike Bush sucks in Chicago,..already worn down and the Bears are falling apart,…getting rid of Bush not that big a deal,..Reg knew the team sucked, knew giving big bucks to a RB that is a backup would be stupid. Look we are 3-10,..if Bush still here we are 3-10. Word
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Easy to say now prove it. Word!
December 10th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
Yeah totally. So glad we let go our 1000 yd power back for one of the worst lineman in the league.. Def better off with him…
December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Yo Priest,..you want Jon Gruden back? Tell me now,..then I will consider getting you back in with Gary,..I got you banned again the other day, dont remember why,..I was drunk,..you must have pissed me off.
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I prefer to stay banned thanks!
December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Question: Does 16-16 to 3-13 qualify as “turning it around in one year.” I think you could make that argument. Clearly it’s around in the wrong direction, but there’s no arguing it would be a very dramatic change of course, no?
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This did not happen in a vacuum. Cable and Jackson didn’t go 8-8, then Allen took over the same team and went 3-13, on Madden 13.
The reality is the new regime took over a team in free fall, cut $30+mm of salary, had no draft picks to fill voids and the team is still in free fall. Jackson went 1-4 to end, and if not for Rich Seymour blocking not one but two FG’s Jackson would have gone 0-5. And we then got RID of players. I would like to see this org have a draft, get rid of more guys, get some new guys and then see what we have.
I can’t blame Allen and McKenzie for this terrible year. We have had 10 terrible years in a row. How do you blame Allen and McKenzie for that? In fact I see two very heartening things: one a future HOF captain of the team has come out in favor of the coach and a gun toting low life underperformer has gone Belcher, is suspended, and is about to be shipped out. That right there says all I need to know.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Nycraider
Indeed.
From Tafur:
It does free up some $ but 4/5 of Seymour’s $6.575 mil bonus, or $5.26 mil, will count against the cap as dead money
December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Priest,..you want back in with Gary answer my question about Jon. Want him back or not? Word.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Wow. What a dilemma Reg and DA gotta face. Tank a game for a better draft pick or win a game so they aren’t losers of the 2012 Toilet Bowl. Simply breathtaking.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Ok fine then Priest,..but dont come crawling back to me, begging me to get Pat Conner to let you weasel back in to get with Gary,..I wont do it,..you are not getting my F`n help dude,…you are banned for life from Gary,…I heard Ralph about to launch a new show on another station, you can call him. I have spoken.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Patriots – 27
Niners – 17
December 10th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
The Raiders are beating KC,..by a lot,..losing to the Panthers,..then destroying the Chargers,..I will be at that game. I will see Reg again this Sunday,..if any of you have a legit question to ask him lets see it.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Wilfork looks focused – saying on espn he will start breaking down Niners film *tonight* – wish we had that sort of organization/focus/players on our team.. Bellichek demands it.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
687. JONGRUDEN2013
Tell Reggie he’s doing a great job!
December 10th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Nycraider
Indeed.
From Tafur:
It does free up some $ but 4/5 of Seymour’s $6.575 mil bonus, or $5.26 mil, will count against the cap as dead money
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So, you might as well pay him and try to get one more year out of him, which for one year at least, delays the desperate need for a very solid Dlineman.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
The Raiders are beating KC,..by a lot,..losing to the Panthers,..then destroying the Chargers,..I will be at that game. I will see Reg again this Sunday,..if any of you have a legit question to ask him lets see it.
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Ask him if Gruden is coming back here next year to be the HC. Honest question.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Wilfork looks focused – saying on espn he will start breaking down Niners film *tonight* – wish we had that sort of organization/focus/players on our team.. Bellichek demands it.
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Some players here do that. Just not McClain or Russell…
December 10th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Question: Does 16-16 to 3-13 qualify as “turning it around in one year.” I think you could make that argument. Clearly it’s around in the wrong direction, but there’s no arguing it would be a very dramatic change of course, no?
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This did not happen in a vacuum. Cable and Jackson didn’t go 8-8, then Allen took over the same team and went 3-13, on Madden 13.
The reality is the new regime took over a team in free fall, cut $30+mm of salary, had no draft picks to fill voids and the team is still in free fall. Jackson went 1-4 to end, and if not for Rich Seymour blocking not one but two FG’s Jackson would have gone 0-5. And we then got RID of players. I would like to see this org have a draft, get rid of more guys, get some new guys and then see what we have.
I can’t blame Allen and McKenzie for this terrible year. We have had 10 terrible years in a row. How do you blame Allen and McKenzie for that? In fact I see two very heartening things: one a future HOF captain of the team has come out in favor of the coach and a gun toting low life underperformer has gone Belcher, is suspended, and is about to be shipped out. That right there says all I need to know.
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This is completely irresponsible as a raider fan. To believe such nonsense will only help support such horrible executive decisions. Reggie destroyed an average team by blowing it up. Its that simple. He wanted it his way by and now he’s using his own bad decisions as an excuse. Its mind boggling someone believes this season can’t be blamed on Mckenzie or Allen…wow
I believe Mckenzie gets one more year to correct what he did, but to keep this coaching staff around will only lead to the same results. Next year when we go 5-11 you then will say its progress????
December 10th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Seymour’s done in Oakland – he will retire before playing another season here. It’s not about the money at this point.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
If Im drunk enough this Sunday morning,..I may do something hardcore…I will of course get pics of me and Mark again,..he will remember me from the Browns game,..how bouts as smalltalk I ask him,..wow Mr Davis, can you imagine the atmosphere here if Jon Gruden was once again prowling these sidelines?…He might get mad,..but he knows it would be very true. I may do it,..I know I will be drunk enough. Hey hey hey…(Fat Albert Voice)
December 10th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Priest,..you want back in with Gary answer my question about Jon. Want him back or not? Word.
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HELL NO!!! does that help?
December 10th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
New England is winning the Super Bowl. Tom Brady won’t let up until he has 4 Trophies. He will go down as the greatest QB of all time.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
5-11? Have you seen next years schedule? – NFC East, AFC South – forget 5-11…
December 10th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
lmao thats what was said about the browns….
December 10th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Thank goodness we do not have to pay that BUM Richard Seymour again! What a waste he turned out to be.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
CDE…when I met Reg at Browns game I did in fact tell him hes doing a great job.
December 10th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Nycraider
Indeed.
From Tafur:
It does free up some $ but 4/5 of Seymour’s $6.575 mil bonus, or $5.26 mil, will count against the cap as dead money
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thats been my point all along, if reggie would have cut seymour earlier in the year before t he roster bonus was due, we would have an extra 5+ mil to spend next year. But Reggie like his franchising Branch which then led to a long term contract or his signing of briesel the bust which hits our cap by 2.7 mill when he’s cut next year failed as gm in a supposed rebuilding mode.
Reggie miscalculated and made some very big mistakes. Thats why it crazy for his supporters to come in here and make excuses for him and act like Reggie’s been rebuilding from day 1. Reggie has whiffed on many free agent signings and most of his 27 new players wouldnt be found on any other roster. Yes, he has excuses, but his actions with seymour, branch, brisel cannot be justified. And those were his 3 biggest roster decision IMO.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I think Seymour decking Big Ben was worth all the money we paid him. Not kidding.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Rich has retired allergy…just hasn’t turned n h paperwork to the league office…so he’s hoeing up to practice to kill time.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I think Seymour decking Big Ben was worth all the money we paid him. Not kidding.
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That was awesome. If only some of our other guys wanted to fight.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
I know I’m getting old but jeez:
What is wrong with people today that have to post everything they are thinking privately on twitter?
Stephen Jackson fined $25K for threats to Serge Ibaka.
Brandon Jacobs suspended last three games for negative comments about the team.
I mean I’m afraid to pull my drawls out my ass in public for fear of it being on a billboard outside the Superdome.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Question: Does 16-16 to 3-13 qualify as “turning it around in one year.” I think you could make that argument. Clearly it’s around in the wrong direction, but there’s no arguing it would be a very dramatic change of course, no?
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This did not happen in a vacuum. Cable and Jackson didn’t go 8-8, then Allen took over the same team and went 3-13, on Madden 13.
The reality is the new regime took over a team in free fall, cut $30+mm of salary, had no draft picks to fill voids and the team is still in free fall. Jackson went 1-4 to end, and if not for Rich Seymour blocking not one but two FG’s Jackson would have gone 0-5. And we then got RID of players. I would like to see this org have a draft, get rid of more guys, get some new guys and then see what we have.
I can’t blame Allen and McKenzie for this terrible year. We have had 10 terrible years in a row. How do you blame Allen and McKenzie for that? In fact I see two very heartening things: one a future HOF captain of the team has come out in favor of the coach and a gun toting low life underperformer has gone Belcher, is suspended, and is about to be shipped out. That right there says all I need to know.
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Or we could’ve been 2-3 down the stretch if Slowlando makes an open-field tackle on Matt Stafford on 4th down. Or we could’ve been 3-2 down the stretch if Slowlando tackles Stafford and our defense holds when SD got the ball at its own 1-yard-line, up 5 points with about 9 minutes to go in the finale.
Pointless to rewrite these things. We were 8-8 last season. Period. We’re 3-10 so far this season. Period.
Do you think Wimbley, Routt, Bush and Satele ( – Burris, Wheeler and any kind of off-season or training camp for Palmer and his receivers) would’ve made us at least 8-8 again this year?
December 10th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Reggie destroyed an average team by blowing it up. Its that simple. He wanted it his way by and now he’s using his own bad decisions as an excuse. Its mind boggling someone believes this season can’t be blamed on Mckenzie or Allen…wow
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The irresponsible thing is somehow you are OK with 8-8. 8-8 is horrible as far as I am concerned. I never said McKenzie and Allen are not responsible. Of course they are. But we all want to be better than 8-8. jeez
December 10th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
The fact that Reggie showed up for his presser without knowing the roster here…
Or firing the HC and his staff with out having ANY replacements in line was pretty poor judgement…hard to have much faith in his abilities when you add in the Free Agent whiffs too.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
just think with all that money saved…we can sign the next briesel..
December 10th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Nycraider
Indeed.
From Tafur:
It does free up some $ but 4/5 of Seymour’s $6.575 mil bonus, or $5.26 mil, will count against the cap as dead money
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Every year Seymour has played for us was dead money. That kokksukker gave us two good games and we lost one of them.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Anyone hear Gruden going out of his way to discuss the Raiders tonight when Scott forced a sack?
The smoke signals keep coming. He clearly wants back in, IMO.
Ball’s in Mark’s court.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
The fact that Reggie showed up for his presser without knowing the roster here…
Or firing the HC and his staff with out having ANY replacements in line was pretty poor judgement…hard to have much faith in his abilities when you add in the Free Agent whiffs too.
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This is the entire indictment in a NUTSHELL…gracias!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Bartell no ints since 2008 ..RIP..Reggie believed in you, until today. From number 1 CB to being waived. Thanks Reggie..
December 10th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Do you think Wimbley, Routt, Bush and Satele ( – Burris, Wheeler and any kind of off-season or training camp for Palmer and his receivers) would’ve made us at least 8-8 again this year?
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Wimbley certainly would have helped our team immensely. Wimbley was not a sack master, but he was 3rd or 4th in the entire league in pressures. That is big. Our Dline certainly misses him in passing situations. Our Oline certainly misses Satele badly. But Wimbley was not worth the $12mm per year, and he would not restructure. Satele was not coming back. The good news, and I have said this all year, is the Oline has played a bit better the last two weeks. They were going to need at least 8-10 weeks to jell. But we still have a lot of problems. This team desperately needs a pass rusher.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
If Im drunk enough this Sunday morning,..I may do something hardcore…I will of course get pics of me and Mark again,..he will remember me from the Browns game,..how bouts as smalltalk I ask him,..wow Mr Davis, can you imagine the atmosphere here if Jon Gruden was once again prowling these sidelines?…He might get mad,..but he knows it would be very true. I may do it,..I know I will be drunk enough. Hey hey hey…(Fat Albert Voice)
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Do it man. Do it for the fans. Of course do it in a polite way, but let it be known. if u needa few drinks first go for it. But dont miss the chance. You can be like the special operations. The first one in on the beach. Storm it.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Ok.
One person is saying we cut Seymour we owe him nothing and others saying it’s 5 million regardless.
Anybody know what the real deal is?
December 10th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Reggie destroyed an average team by blowing it up. Its that simple. He wanted it his way by and now he’s using his own bad decisions as an excuse. Its mind boggling someone believes this season can’t be blamed on Mckenzie or Allen…wow
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The irresponsible thing is somehow you are OK with 8-8. 8-8 is horrible as far as I am concerned. I never said McKenzie and Allen are not responsible. Of course they are. But we all want to be better than 8-8. jeez
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You are missing the point. You can build off an 8-8 team. Instead we dismantled it and became the worst team in the league. Now we have to build off a 3/4 win team. For no reason except Reggie wanted “his guys.” It didn’t make sense then and doesn’t make sense now. We were 8-8 team for 2 straight years. Good GM’s build off that and take the next step. Reggie decided to start over. Seriously take a look, we aren’t even competitive.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Everyone acts like our secodary is so much worse this year.
Last year was bad. Lito sheppard? 5ft 9 guy covering on the outside? The stanford Routt on the other side?? Mr. Penalty? Mr. I give up long touchdowns?
Still got 8-8 The safties were the same. Just missing Wimbley and his qb pressures
December 10th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Ok.
One person is saying we cut Seymour we owe him nothing and others saying it’s 5 million regardless.
Anybody know what the real deal is?
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The real deal is if we cut him, it counts as $5mm against the cap. If you really want to just take that kind of hit, get rid of him. But as I keep saying over and over, who are you going to put in there? Bilukidi? Kelly?
December 10th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
The fact that Reggie showed up for his presser without knowing the roster here…
Or firing the HC and his staff with out having ANY replacements in line was pretty poor judgement…hard to have much faith in his abilities when you add in the Free Agent whiffs too.
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This is the entire indictment in a NUTSHELL…gracias!
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Then there was this July 26
Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie agrees they can be a playoff team
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/26/raiders-gm-reggie-mckenzie-agrees-they-can-be-a-playoff-team/
fast foward to today, Reggie making execuses about salary cap / talent
December 10th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
DJ Johnn
Tafur, CBS and others saying contract does void but bonuses do not. They get accelerated. So $5.26 million in dead money.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
If some of you guys are so convinced we are in for horrible season again next yr. and refuse to entertain any reason for hope, what is your motivation for coming here?
Is it just to make sure nobody dare tries to be optimistic about anything?
December 10th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Ok.
One person is saying we cut Seymour we owe him nothing and others saying it’s 5 million regardless.
Anybody know what the real deal is?
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It ain’t my money but cut that bum and send him home to his tree. Whether we owe him money or not.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
I think one of the screwiest things about this season was that DA somehow became “Reggie’s guy.” The two men had no history together. Dennis Allen was a one-year DC under a defensive-minded head coach. He coached the 20th ranked unit, which gave up 45 points to NE in its final game.
Whether or not you believe RM was truly on board with firing Hue, you have to admit it is very strange that with his first major decision, he throws a four-year, shot in the dark deal at a rookie DC who he didn’t know outside a couple of interviews.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
I will go on record to say if we can’t get Gruden back, Allen stays for a 2nd season.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
DJ Johnn
Tafur, CBS and others saying contract does void but bonuses do not. They get accelerated. So $5.26 million in dead money.
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Thanks.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Everyone acts like our secodary is so much worse this year.
Last year was bad. Lito sheppard? 5ft 9 guy covering on the outside? The stanford Routt on the other side?? Mr. Penalty? Mr. I give up long touchdowns?
Still got 8-8 The safties were the same. Just missing Wimbley and his qb pressures
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I feel our Defense is the same as last year…awful
The only reason our D gives up more points is because our offense this year has taken 10 steps back which puts even more pressure on the D
However, I’m shocked we didn’t get any better after getting rid of Chucky B. I didn’t think that was possible
December 10th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
There is always hope for next season.. till the games start.
Raiders can get a bunch of new talent next year.. but can the Coaches …Coach em up?? thats the real question
December 10th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Ok.
One person is saying we cut Seymour we owe him nothing and others saying it’s 5 million regardless.
Anybody know what the real deal is?
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we wont owe seymour anything, BUT his signing bonus which was prorated over 5 years will be accelerated and our CAP HIT with be 5+ million due to Seymour contract being voided. I posted an article earlier, BCZ never responded to my request for proof of his statement..I hope I am wrong , but I dont think the new CBA allows for a prorated signing bonus to not count against the cap. It has too.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
DJ Johnny
Also, Tafur and Rotoworld say Seymour becomes an unrestricted free agent at season’s end and only way he remains a Raider is if Oakland gives home another contract.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
If some of you guys are so convinced we are in for horrible season again next yr. and refuse to entertain any reason for hope, what is your motivation for coming here?
Is it just to make sure nobody dare tries to be optimistic about anything?
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LMAO.
Nope. Just getting their excuses in order so they can pretend that this sustained nosedive was inevitable.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
You can build off an 8-8 team.
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You really can’t. Who did we have to build around? Seymour? Kelly? McClain? Palmer? McFadden? DHB? Pryor? And the problem with continuing to “reload” is you keep in that 8-8, 7-9, 9-7 range, where you don’t get the really, really, really good players. Look at Dungver. They sucked ass one year and ended up with Von Miller @ number two overall. Colts were 10-6, went to 2-14 and ended up with Luck. We ended up with Jamarcus Russell and it set our franchise back 5 years. Maybe 7 years.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Chris in NY, I totally agree with you, but we cannot make a change unless it’s for a proven winner. Let’s be honest though. Other than Jon Gruden, we have not had a legitimate Head Coach in 20 years!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Something big needs to happen this offseason, because there are a lot of fans that don’t want to fork up the cash to watch this team in Rebuilding Year 2.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
The fact that Reggie showed up for his presser without knowing the roster here…
Or firing the HC and his staff with out having ANY replacements in line was pretty poor judgement…hard to have much faith in his abilities when you add in the Free Agent whiffs too.
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This is the entire indictment in a NUTSHELL…gracias!
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Then there was this July 26
Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie agrees they can be a playoff team
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/26/raiders-gm-reggie-mckenzie-agrees-they-can-be-a-playoff-team/
fast foward to today, Reggie making execuses about salary cap / talent
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It just showed he came in with preconceaved notions and did no homework or give anyone a fair chance to show him different. He was going to fix it whether it was broken or not. He had his own agenda based on nothing more a bunch of assumptions it appears.
Serious indictments IMO………….he sent away players who could develope just on prejudice.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
We should trade Seymour straight up for his tree.
Tree:
- would not jump offsides
- would stay in its gap
- would not get unsportsmanlike penalties
- would be at practice everyday (except Christmas Day)
- would not hop on plane and head east every other week
December 10th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
How can you not build off an 8-8 team? You could have kept the HC.. kept that offense.
Build depth around the O like now.
The defense could have started a new like this year. Just keep adding
December 10th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
beach Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Chris in NY, I totally agree with you, but we cannot make a change unless it’s for a proven winner. Let’s be honest though. Other than Jon Gruden, we have not had a legitimate Head Coach in 20 years!
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I would argue that Hue was pretty dam good, but at worst his story was an incomplete.
I do agree that the change should be for a proven winner. Would not be excited at all to dump DA and end up with another rookie HC learning on the job.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Ok.
One person is saying we cut Seymour we owe him nothing and others saying it’s 5 million regardless.
Anybody know what the real deal is?
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The real deal is if we cut him, it counts as $5mm against the cap. If you really want to just take that kind of hit, get rid of him. But as I keep saying over and over, who are you going to put in there? Bilukidi? Kelly?
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His knees seem to be old and creaky…never practices and i’ll accept that he does SOMETHING that I never actually see since people say he is doing something, but i think he’s bascially done.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Im not gonna buy stock into anything w/o a proven track record like DA/ REGGIE. I was somewhat intriguied with DA hire till about week 4.
Im the kind of fan where its “DONT TELL ME SHOW ME” *singletary voice*
December 10th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
If some of you guys are so convinced we are in for horrible season again next yr. and refuse to entertain any reason for hope, what is your motivation for coming here?
Is it just to make sure nobody dare tries to be optimistic about anything?
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I would be optimistic if we started making decisions that made sense. Firing Knapp would give me a glimmer of hope. DA coming out and being honest saying there have been mistakes made by coaches would also help. However, by this organization just sitting around and letting the team crumble doesn’t give me any hope. What also really worries me is the lack of accountability with Reggie and DA. At least Hue admitted what went wrong, but i guess that is why he got fired. Maybe its better just to either ignore the facts or just flat out lie.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Funny how Reggie likes to say ” this is MY team”…
Well maybe the players on the roster areYOUR players Reg.
But this teamBelongs to the Fans, the ones who have been here for their ENTIRE lifetimes why you were off in GB being a ‘Packer’…
Don’t care if you played for us or not, we NEVER collect a dime from this Org, WE SPEND our money on this team, show UNDYING LOVE for this team,
And take the heat from the other fans after EACH HUMILIATING LOSS!
From now on, this is OUR team, and you’re just an employee until further notice..
December 10th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
http://youtu.be/EB5-yJM3vJc
Mike singletary rant.. I wonder if Mike was our HC… he could have got to McClain?? Vernon davis never acted out again. lol
December 10th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
“The 8-8 was a mirage due to Hue’s brilliant XBox style play calling. He was never going to get more than that out of these losers. He needed a roster turnover just as bad as DA does.”
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So you are admitting that Hue got a LOT more out of the little talent here…
And clearly D0A can’t…
So why was Hue fired again?
….and why should we keep D0A (esp after he HAD 1 YR to get SOME of the roster turnover started)? His at season kickoff and now are both 10x worse than what Hue left with in January 2012. how is that progress?
Tme to a-can these losers. The Clowne Coache Cadre must go…Very obvious to most sane folks on this board. And If chucky can truly be had this should be done now…like yesterday…
BTW why no denial by Geruden tonight?..easily could have denied it esp since tuck rule game and aok-tb superbowl topics came up repeatedly….
Smoke—> Fire
Davis needs to nut up…
The Cash lost on the Cadre is a pittance compared to the “cashe” GAINED by fan/city electrification..and oh yeah 8+ sellouts and unlikely move to LA….
Zer0 brainer…
Hopefully Davis wont be penny wise/pound foolish.
We -need- 3-13 to help make this decision easier for Mark.
A KC blowout would absolutely seal Allen and co’s ticket out of town imo…
December 10th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Ask Singletary what his mistake was as a HC?? its was hiring a horrible OC jimmy ray
December 10th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Is Gruden really a possibility? To me mark would have to get rid of everyone. I doubt reggie the turtle would agree to let DA go. My instinct is that we are looking at the same coach and GM for 2013.
I hope my instincts are wrong, as a Gruden hiring would give us hope. I dont support Reggie but I hope I am wrong and I hope the Raiders return to glory in 2013. The one thing I wont accept is any excuses in 2013. Reggie pissed away 2012 iMO and must prove himself in 2013.
I agree the players are bad, but what concerns me is that the players Reggie retained and brought in were equally as bad if not worse than the players in 2011.My hope is i am wrong about Reggie, my nightmare is I am right and he’s here for the long haul. As a Raider diehard, I hope and pray i’m wrong
December 10th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
I do think it is a very good sign that Jon Gruden is being quiet. He has quickly tossed aside “rumors” in the past.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
http://youtu.be/EB5-yJM3vJc
Mike singletary rant.. I wonder if Mike was our HC… he could have got to McClain?? Vernon davis never acted out again. lol
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If Mike Singletary was our coach, the Coliseum would need to add about 40 new shower heads in the locker room.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
There is no starter player on the D roster that can’t be replaced with like production. That said, Houston, Wheeler, and Burris are keepers. Bryant and Sho look like backups/rotation material. The rest go in the tumbler but Huff and Mcclain need to disappear.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
If some of you guys are so convinced we are in for horrible season again next yr. and refuse to entertain any reason for hope, what is your motivation for coming here?
Is it just to make sure nobody dare tries to be optimistic about anything?
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Hahahaha. Because of the mess we inherited here, we don’t have a quick turnaround in the cards. But, here let me give you some real hope. lst off, McKenzie did a good job in that last draft given he had nothing. Burris is a good player. We will have a high choice, and we might be able to trade down and parlay that into more picks. We are going to shed some more salary. I like what McKenzie did in bringing in Wheeler, Hanson and Goodson. Phil Adams might be a find.
We are going to have to get REALLY lucky in the late rounds and with undrafted guys. But look at Rod Streator. He might be one of our better players. Jeremy Stewart is a nice find. Get rid of McFadden get something for him and let’s see how many guys we can pick up in the next few months. We might have the beginnings of a team then.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Jeremy stewart should be brought back next year and compete for number 2 spot
December 10th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Tuckrule says:
“A KC blowout would absolutely seal Allen and co’s ticket out of town imo…”
I don’t know about that. I think he’s in regardless, but it’ll make me wonder why Palmer plays most of the game if he does.
Seasons lost, they even said they wanna get a look at Pryor, so if Pryor doesn’t get in, it would mean DA figures Palmer gives him best chance to win…which would mean he still sees some importance in winning, which means he may think he NEEDS to win a couple games to close out season to keep his job.
Just speculating.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Jeremy stewart should be brought back next year and compete for number 2 spot
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I agree. I think Stewart might have a future. At least he runs hard.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
J Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Tuckrule says:
“A KC blowout would absolutely seal Allen and co’s ticket out of town imo…”
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Shoot, Jackson got blown out 28-0 here last year to Kansas Shi**y and some of you want to buy him a present.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Gruden talk is nothing but babble. No way he comes here – team couldn’t afford him even if they had nobody on staff, with having the existing staff on 4 yr contracts forget it. Markie D likely started the rumor thinking it would divert attention from what’s going on and give the fans some ‘hope’ or maybe sway a stadium deal. And the official ‘denial’ with reference to extra ‘how dare you!’ comment was priceless and totally in line with the state of the franchise.
Get used to the captain sharpie ‘wannabe golf pro’ look – he’s the face of the franchise for years to come. ughhhh….
Dark times, my friends, dark times. We thought we had served our sentence of the 2000’s and the light was at the end of the tunnel with starting the 2010’s much better. That was a mirage, sadly, when Mickey Mouse took over…
December 10th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Looks like Lechler is gone and King will be the new punter next year!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I think Seymour decking Big Ben was worth all the money we paid him. Not kidding.
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lmao. so true
December 10th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
3 yrs ago a buddy of mine said man you shoulda seen this young cat running the stairs at Southern (Univ. Baton Rouge) in the summer heat. He said dude was like a soph and was built like a NFL player. I asked him if it was an LSU guy. He said no. He go to Stanford, had Stanford shorts on. I said WTF is a Stanford cat doing down here. He said the dude is from here (B.R.) I said damn how LSU let him get away?
Cat was/is Jeremy Stewart
December 10th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Do we have any idea what the general plan with this org is anyway?
I was under assumption we were “modeling” after GB; now i hear references to Texans this, Texans that.
Where are they going with this whole thing?
You’d think we’d have a strong idea by now.
Generaliztions like “we want to win” have not told us much.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
J Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Tuckrule says:
“A KC blowout would absolutely seal Allen and co’s ticket out of town imo…”
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Shoot, Jackson got blown out 28-0 here last year to Kansas Shi**y and some of you want to buy him a present.
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Your forget the crap that was happening?
Boller was the QB and Carson was 3 days away from coming back off the couch.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Is Gruden really a possibility? To me mark would have to get rid of everyone. I doubt reggie the turtle would agree to let DA go. My instinct is that we are looking at the same coach and GM for 2013.
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Agreed. The only way Gruden might come back is with TOO much control… and that isn’t a good thing either. He wasn’t very good running the whole show. I’d rather see him just come back as coach and having control of his staff.
Whenever he was in charge of player/personnel, I think he was too knee jerk and impatient.
That said, him and Palmer might be Gannon Mach 2. Teaching him to rely on the pump fake and simply taking what is given every single play might be spectacular to watch.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
J Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Tuckrule says:
“A KC blowout would absolutely seal Allen and co’s ticket out of town imo…”
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Shoot, Jackson got blown out 28-0 here last year to Kansas Shi**y and some of you want to buy him a present.
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Buy him a present? lol. You fellas are funny tonight.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Shoot, Jackson got blown out 28-0 here last year to Kansas Shi**y and some of you want to buy him a present.
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ahhh someone pointing out the transition game. The one where DMAC went down and boller lit it up. The one where palmer came in on 3 days notices and through two pick six’s. That was a good game
December 10th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
You Hue haters and DA backers are pathetic.
I was in Vegas this past weekend and was talking to the group on the poker table and 6 out of the 10 of them were telling me how stupid it was for the Raiders to get rid of Hue Jackson and then hire a rookie like DA to take over and then hire Knapp?
They all said all Hue Jackson needed was a LEGIT DC.
These aren’t even Raider fans, just unbiased sports fans looking from the outside in.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Maybe we can gt another Drunken Ramble about our team when Shane gts released…
December 10th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Hollers first pass against KC lat year was a pick 6…
Bad day at The Coliseum for sure.
Bush missing on 4 runs from the 2 yd line was the worst part, of course after DMac went out…
December 10th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Do we have any idea what the general plan with this org is anyway?
I was under assumption we were “modeling” after GB; now i hear references to Texans this, Texans that.
Where are they going with this whole thing?
You’d think we’d have a strong idea by now.
Generaliztions like “we want to win” have not told us much.
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I’ve said from very early this org. didn’t seem very interested in winning. Why did the no-huddle disappear again? Why not wait with the ZBS until we had the right players? Why call two consecutive prevent defenses against Atl (notice how the wheels came off after that loss?)
I think Allen and McK got too secure with their job security, and they didn’t care if they won or not… they were playing for better draft positions, knowing this team wasn’t going anywhere anyway.
Perhaps Mark Davis lit a fire under their asses lately… with the Gruden rumors and stating publically he is getting pissed off?
The intensity level of the defense sure seems to have picked up the last 6 quarters… I expected a Manning 60 point rout, and they actually played pretty tough.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Jamaal Charles is going to run all over the Raiders this weekend and win and then DA should definitely be FIRED.
Bring in a passionate, energetic, leader of men to be the coach of the Raiders who can inspire the players and create an identity for this team.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Shoot, Jackson got blown out 28-0 here last year to Kansas Shi**y and some of you want to buy him a present.
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Seymour you have a great ability to omit the obvious, everyone in here knows the situation was impossible for HUE. He had just lost his QB and sent in a QB just off the couch with 3 practices under his belt.
It’s not like you don’t know this better than anyone yet you state things as tho the rest of us are somehow ignorant of the facts.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Not so sure Gruden talk is babble.
Why no denial tonight?
Clearly there is smoke…
DJ brings up an interesting pt about QB play and if we keep getting Palmer (who has to be traded as well this offseason) under center that may mean he FEELS the pressure to win despite all this psychobable about looking to the future etc we have heard from D0A the last 2 weeks.
Dude feels the heat. I just want to turn up the flame with 3-13 and some BAD losses at that.
BTW…
‘Cost’ of dumping Clown Coach Cadre and hiring Gruden << Cost of moving to LA and the cost of a sea of unending empty seats in 2013
Again..penny-wise pound foolish!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
DA has what he says is an outstanding QB he has his RB and everything available so if they get BLOWNOUT by a terrible team or even lose to this team. I cannot see how it’s possible to bring DA back to this fan base and expect any response at all.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
If some of you guys are so convinced we are in for horrible season again next yr. and refuse to entertain any reason for hope, what is your motivation for coming here?
Is it just to make sure nobody dare tries to be optimistic about anything?
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Hahahaha. Because of the mess we inherited here, we don’t have a quick turnaround in the cards. But, here let me give you some real hope. lst off, McKenzie did a good job in that last draft given he had nothing. Burris is a good player. We will have a high choice, and we might be able to trade down and parlay that into more picks. We are going to shed some more salary. I like what McKenzie did in bringing in Wheeler, Hanson and Goodson. Phil Adams might be a find.
We are going to have to get REALLY lucky in the late rounds and with undrafted guys. But look at Rod Streator. He might be one of our better players. Jeremy Stewart is a nice find. Get rid of McFadden get something for him and let’s see how many guys we can pick up in the next few months. We might have the beginnings of a team then.
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There ya go. I wasn’t referring to you on my post but I notice a trend with some others who offer no solutions whatsoever but every post centers on how hopeless everything not only is (we all know that) but on how hopeless everyhting will continue to be and no matter what Reggie or anybody else does it doesn’t matter.
Any mention of anything resembling a reason for optimism is met with all the reasons how it is impossible it will occur.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Do we have any idea what the general plan with this org is anyway?
I was under assumption we were “modeling” after GB; now i hear references to Texans this, Texans that.
Where are they going with this whole thing?
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You can see where they are going. They want FOOTBALL PLAYERS! Not “athletes”. Burris is a football player. Wheeler is a football player. Goodson is a football player. McFadden is an athlete. We are not going to see HWS guys any more. They have drafted VERY well in GB. Most of their lst rounders have become very solid players: Rogers, Raji, Mathews, Bulaga, Jordy Nelson. These are some good players. The thing that has killed us is
Jamarcus: out of league. McFadden: not very good DHB: jury still out but improving McClain: about to be out of league.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Didn’t realize our very own CJ37 is now with the Ravens. Thought he was out of football.
December 10th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Not so sure Gruden talk is babble.
Why no denial tonight?
Clearly there is smoke…
DJ brings up an interesting pt about QB play and if we keep getting Palmer (who has to be traded as well this offseason
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You cannot say in one sentence that Gruden may come back and then in the next say that CP has to be traded.
The only reason Gruden WOULD come back is for CP.
He’d be his next Gannon project. Gruden ate up inexperienced QB’s for lunch. He’d want an experienced veteran QB with an accurate arm to tweak just a few things… pump fakes and bootlegs baby!
December 10th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
JMHO If the Raiders lose this game at home under any circumstances exactly how can anyone rationally say we’re headed in the “right direction”. Because it would beg the question, are we intentionally trying to destroy what’s left of this once great org. and it’s fan base.If that is the intention then yes, we’re headed in the right direction!.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Shoot, Jackson got blown out 28-0 here last year to Kansas Shi**y and some of you want to buy him a present.
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Seymour you have a great ability to omit the obvious, everyone in here knows the situation was impossible for HUE. He had just lost his QB and sent in a QB just off the couch with 3 practices under his belt.
It’s not like you don’t know this better than anyone yet you state things as tho the rest of us are somehow ignorant of the facts.
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He puts Boller out there and can’t get him ready to play? Boller had over 40 starts in the NFL and he looked like he had NO IDEA what was going on. And Jackson had Boller in Baltimore and brought him here himself. And then he hoisted Palmer out there with no practice time. This is crazy. These are the facts. And some of you want to buy Jackson a present.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Do we have any idea what the general plan with this org is anyway?
I was under assumption we were “modeling” after GB; now i hear references to Texans this, Texans that.
Where are they going with this whole thing?
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You can see where they are going. They want FOOTBALL PLAYERS! Not “athletes”. Burris is a football player. Wheeler is a football player. Goodson is a football player. McFadden is an athlete. We are not going to see HWS guys any more. They have drafted VERY well in GB. Most of their lst rounders have become very solid players: Rogers, Raji, Mathews, Bulaga, Jordy Nelson. These are some good players. The thing that has killed us is
>>>>>
They hit the lottery with Rodgers or they would still be just an above average team. And CWood has always and will always be nothing besides an ATHLETE. They just figured out how to use him better.
They did draft well though… I agree there.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Fair enough.
if -keeping- CP was an absolute condition Gruden comes here then Ok. Personally i think if we (and gruden) get to actually SEE what we have in TP6 these last few games even mr veteran qb loving chuckie might be willing to go witha young qb…
again tho if im davis and Gruden is in or out depending on CP3 staus, by all means let Chucky have his qb…
So long as K-NAPP goes away!!
December 10th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
In the NFL, strong coaching is everything – look at the Niners.. they were terrible for years and now they’re a force. Same players.. (minus Smith and Kap)
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Yep. People who think otherwise are nuts!
December 10th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
DMC not a great football player huh? I guess alll we have ever had under Mr Davis is athletes yet we won 3 SB’s went to 5 and at one time had the winningest record in sports.
Some people in here are really delusional….
December 10th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Fair enough.
if -keeping- CP was an absolute condition Gruden comes here then Ok. Personally i think if we (and gruden) get to actually SEE what we have in TP6 these last few games even mr veteran qb loving chuckie might be willing to go witha young qb…
again tho if im davis and Gruden is in or out depending on CP3 staus, by all means let Chucky have his qb…
So long as K-NAPP goes away!!
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IF Gruden comes back, then you can bet your azz that Palmer is coming back!
Gruden is no fool. He would love to work with a vet QB like Palmer for the next 3 years at least, until he can see which QB would take over or if there is a young QB he can sign in FA or draft to groom.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
1983 was a looooong time ago unfortunately….
December 10th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
This post goes out to all the excuse makers, the guys who insist rebuilding cant be done in one year:
2006 record 2007 record
Cleveland Browns 4-12 10-6
Redskins 5-11 9-7
TB 4-12 9-7
2007 record 2008 record
Ravens 5-11 11-5
Falcons 4-12 11-5
2008 record 2009 record
Bengals 4-11-1 10-6
2009 record 2010 record
KC 4-12 10-6
TB 3-13 10-6
ST LOU 1-15 7-9
2010 record 2011 record
Bengals 4-12 9-7(w/o CP3)
Broncos 4-12 8-8(1st place)
2012 year of the Excuse—2013 No Excuses!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
You Hue haters and DA backers are pathetic.
I was in Vegas this past weekend and was talking to the group on the poker table and 6 out of the 10 of them were telling me how stupid it was for the Raiders to get rid of Hue Jackson and then hire a rookie like DA to take over and then hire Knapp?
They all said all Hue Jackson needed was a LEGIT DC.
These aren’t even Raider fans, just unbiased sports fans looking from the outside in.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Yes it was but 2002 wasn’t so long ago. All he could so is get the talent to win with. The talent had to take it from there…
December 10th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
DMC not a great football player huh? I guess alll we have ever had under Mr Davis is athletes yet we won 3 SB’s went to 5 and at one time had the winningest record in sports.
Some people in here are really delusional….
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McFadden: 150 carries 507 Yards 2 TD’s 1 Fumble
That’s great? Now you know why this team sucks. Because somehow some of you are fine with this, but want other parts of the team and org gone.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
He puts Boller out there and can’t get him ready to play? Boller had over 40 starts in the NFL and he looked like he had NO IDEA what was going on. And Jackson had Boller in Baltimore and brought him here himself. And then he hoisted Palmer out there with no practice time. This is crazy. These are the facts. And some of you want to buy Jackson a present.
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The only thing Hue did really well was figure out how to use McF in open spaces… and get most of his marginal offensive players to play above their heads.
They were 4-2 even with the miracle loss to Buff before McF got injured, shoulda been 5-1… now this new staff uses McF mainly to run up the gut… and there isn’t a single offensive player that is playing above ability.
Shrug.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
cole actually put DA on blast? great! at least some reporters have cajones not like cork and jerry…
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http://www.957thegame.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6151515
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Cole right. Most of the players on this team were never sold on DA being their leader.
Just like I wasn’t. Especially after seeing the terrible assistant coach hires he made to his staff. Ugh
December 10th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
DMC is a great player when healthy and playing in the right system.
The ZBS should have NEVER been implemented here in Oakland.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
774,
I get what you’rer saying with “football players” i guess what i’m looking for is more specifics of the model.
If it’s GB…then there are some clues as to what Reggie might do.
Notice how GB NEVER had the stud rb? That position is interchangeable. Goodson and Stewart seem to fit that mold. They are “guys” who can play…not stars like DMAC.
One thing that has been a staple with GB since 1992 has been a stud QB and very good receivers. They’ve always had guys who can catch the ball. Freeman, Driver, Javon Walker (yes he was good once), Beebe, Chumura, Nelson, Jennings, Finley etc. etc. etc. and then..alot of “no names” for the most pasrt with studs in key positions.
Favre couldn’t get over the hump until they brought in Reggie White. They paid big money to Woodson and Al Harris and Darren Sharper. LeRoy Butler was a staple back there too. Mike McKenzie was another guy that didn’t come cheap.
The trend seemed to be “playmakers” on D AND on offense with most of the money going to those “playmakers”.
RB was never a position that ever went with any big names. They got lucky with Dorsey Levens but when he was ready for his big payday they jettisoned him to Philly.
I’m just trying to see a trend we may want to look for as far as where Reggie is going with this.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Big Dmac fan , but one 1000 yd season out of 5 doesnt equal a star. Its too bad cause i hoped he was something special and would be our best back since Bo Jackson
December 10th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
774,
I get what you’rer saying with “football players” i guess what i’m looking for is more specifics of the model.
If it’s GB…then there are some clues as to what Reggie might do.
Notice how GB NEVER had the stud rb? That position is interchangeable. Goodson and Stewart seem to fit that mold. They are “guys” who can play…not stars like DMAC.
One thing that has been a staple with GB since 1992 has been a stud QB and very good receivers. They’ve always had guys who can catch the ball. Freeman, Driver, Javon Walker (yes he was good once), Beebe, Chumura, Nelson, Jennings, Finley etc. etc. etc. and then..alot of “no names” for the most pasrt with studs in key positions.
Favre couldn’t get over the hump until they brought in Reggie White. They paid big money to Woodson and Al Harris and Darren Sharper. LeRoy Butler was a staple back there too. Mike McKenzie was another guy that didn’t come cheap.
The trend seemed to be “playmakers” on D AND on offense with most of the money going to those “playmakers”.
RB was never a position that ever went with any big names. They got lucky with Dorsey Levens but when he was ready for his big payday they jettisoned him to Philly.
I’m just trying to see a trend we may want to look for as far as where Reggie is going with this.
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GB is starting to pay for not having a stud RB.
They are becoming one dimensional, they have had great QB’s the last 20 years.
McCarthy needs to start balancing the offense more or else they won’t win another super bowl. Their D needs to play better also.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
McFadden: 150 carries 507 Yards 2 TD’s 1 Fumble
That’s great? Now you know why this team sucks. Because somehow some of you are fine with this, but want other parts of the team and org gone.
>>>>
McFadden is prolly the worst RB in the NFL between the tackles, and that is where he gets the majority of his carries.
I don’t blame him for this… do you?
Hue designed all of his offense to get McF into open spaces.
Knapp designed his entire offense to use him between the tackles. Gosh… no problem there!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
of course Hue should still be coach (with a compteant proven DC)
even the Geico cave man could see this as truth…
All the blather on this board to the contrary is comical…
I will say this…i’ll accept the
ALLEN PARSONS PROJECT disaaassaaster
IF..and ONLY if..it leads to chucky the sequel.
Then, firing Hue will at least have a good ending (in a twisted meniacal sort of way)…
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“were telling me how stupid it was for the Raiders to get rid of Hue Jackson and then hire a rookie like DA to take over and then hire Knapp?
They all said all Hue Jackson needed was a LEGIT DC.”
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December 10th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Gdog Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
McFadden: 150 carries 507 Yards 2 TD’s 1 Fumble
That’s great? Now you know why this team sucks. Because somehow some of you are fine with this, but want other parts of the team and org gone.
>>>>
McFadden is prolly the worst RB in the NFL between the tackles, and that is where he gets the majority of his carries.
I don’t blame him for this… do you?
Hue designed all of his offense to get McF into open spaces.
Knapp designed his entire offense to use him between the tackles. Gosh… no problem there!!!
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Actually DMC ran more between the tackles with DMC last year with a one gap power and trap and counter pulling plays.
The stretch ZBS runs are ruining DMC’s career.
Thanks Knapp!
December 10th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Seymour DA sucks at 3-10 do you want to buy him a present?………..stop with the bullcrap it aint about what we want for Hue at leats not for me. I want this org to win and they are NOT winning…..period
They want Hue because they relate to what he did with this offense, nothing wrong with that. When these bums win then they’ll sing their praises until then they hate them for a GOOD reason.
No more HWS you are buying into something without any indication of success. So who’s the fool??
December 10th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
We try to figure this all out and you almost come to the conclusion that alot of these teams have simply had a rush of good luck more than anything else.
It wasn’t a carefully crafted plan for GB to bring in Aaron Rodgers to take over after Favre. They got lucky. No way was Rodgers supposed to drop to 22 in the draft and land in GB’s lap.
Then u look at NE. A 6th rounder named Tom Brady comes to them and the ony reason he got in when he did was due to injury; and the rest is literally NFL history.
How much is NE’s success less the genius of Belichik and more the miracle of Tom Brady?
December 10th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Incidentlt Reggie MCk is all about HWS regardless to what he says just give it time and you’ll see I’m right.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Jeremy Steward 25 carries 101 yards 4.0 per carry
Mike Goodson 17 carries 111 yards 6.5 per carry
Marcel Reece 59 carries 271 yards 4.6 per carry
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McFadden 3.3 per carry.
Every other back has a higher per carry average. Our running game is killing us with McFadden out there. There is your problem right there. Sorry..
December 10th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
799–agreed
lets hope reggie is capable of getting a star in the draft. Top 3 pick should produce one..we’ll see
December 10th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
I can’t believe just how blind you guys are, anything except Al Davis no matter how bad it stinks……….as long as it aint him.
This management is HORRIBLE yet you have to the nerve to desparage someone in the HOF. How many more horrible losses do you need?
December 10th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
priest what is HWS?
December 10th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Actually DMC ran more between the tackles with DMC last year with a one gap power and trap and counter pulling plays.
The stretch ZBS runs are ruining DMC’s career.
Thanks Knapp!
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I have the NFL rewind where I can check this out… I might do this some tonight.
All I know is “McFadden up the gut” isn’t working.
Neither did “Bush up the gut” last year with Hue.
Whatever Hue was doing the first 6 games he should have been 5-1 is all I know.
The wheels fell completely off the entire franchise after that.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Incidentlt Reggie MCk is all about HWS regardless to what he says just give it time and you’ll see I’m right.
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Raji? Bulaga? Rogers? Clay Mathews? Are you kidding me? Mathews wasn’t even a starter at USC. He was a special teamer. Take a seat son.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Jeremy Steward 25 carries 101 yards 4.0 per carry
Mike Goodson 17 carries 111 yards 6.5 per carry
Marcel Reece 59 carries 271 yards 4.6 per carry
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didnt marcel reece not get a carry until week 10? hmm whose decision was that
December 10th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
McFadden 3.3 per carry.
Every other back has a higher per carry average. Our running game is killing us with McFadden out there. There is your problem right there. Sorry..
>>>>
Why didn’t it kill us last year then? He played well enough for us to start 5-1 if not for the Buff defensive debacle.
Now we won’t get 5 winnable games in a season… and our QB is better.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
You know, the Hue ship has sailed and he’s not coming back, but some of you really have to stop with all the hate. I’m amazed that anyone can sit back and defend this staff while throwing stones at Hue. He wasn’t perfect, but our team was a sh1tload better last year than this.
3-10 and we are the league JOKE! Getting embarrassed on a weekly basis.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Seymour DMC is a proven back son………..he has a track record. The fact that he underperformed under these bums is an indictment against them not him.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Jeremy Steward 25 carries 101 yards 4.0 per carry
Mike Goodson 17 carries 111 yards 6.5 per carry
Marcel Reece 59 carries 271 yards 4.6 per carry
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didnt marcel reece not get a carry until week 10? hmm whose decision was that
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That’s because they were playing McFadden. Wouldn’t you? I noticed in week 2 when McFadden went out and Goodson came in and made a twenty yard run and then a 70 yard TD reception to get McFadden out of there. Every one else seems to be productive for us at RB but mcFadden.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
For someone to try to defend this fiasco shows how desparate they are.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Hue doesnt deserve hate but he also doesnt deserve to be the object of this blog, he’s not gonna be part of the future. we have bigger issues ..let him go
December 10th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Tuckrulefool Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
priest what is HWS?
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Height, Weight, Speed
December 10th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
LET D0A GO!
YESTERDAY!
December 10th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
ah ok thanks
December 10th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Hue doesnt deserve hate but he also doesnt deserve to be the object of this blog, he’s not gonna be part of the future. we have bigger issues ..let him go
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I agree. I just don’t see how someone can hate him while at the same time handing out hall passes to the current staff.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
That’s because they were playing McFadden. Wouldn’t you? I noticed in week 2 when McFadden went out and Goodson came in and made a twenty yard run and then a 70 yard TD reception to get McFadden out of there. Every one else seems to be productive for us at RB but mcFadden.
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I cant see the forest because of those damn trees!
Explain how McF can lead the league in rushing last year in six games, and struggle so much this year in six.
Perhaps we can go from there…
December 10th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
For someone to try to defend this fiasco shows how desparate they are.
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What do you want to do? Bring Bill Polian here? Hire Gruden and give him full rein? What I am defending is things HAD TO CHANGE HERE. They are changing. How many guys have been shipped out of here this year that have appeared on other rosters and turned into instant superstars?
December 10th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Height weight speed HWS………..Seymour is blind with hatred doesn’t understand what he;s talking about. He thinks the only players Mr Davis drfated with based on HWS he’s too stupid to know our own history.
Mayock started that crazy stuff and he bought it hook line and sinker without looking at the facts.
Is Marcus Allen HWS is Stabler HWS throughout our history we’ve drafted some greta players and some bad players but he’s too naive to know the difference.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Gdog Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
That’s because they were playing McFadden. Wouldn’t you? I noticed in week 2 when McFadden went out and Goodson came in and made a twenty yard run and then a 70 yard TD reception to get McFadden out of there. Every one else seems to be productive for us at RB but mcFadden.
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I cant see the forest because of those damn trees!
Explain how McF can lead the league in rushing last year in six games, and struggle so much this year in six.
Perhaps we can go from there…
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He had a different offensive line. Satele is a much better center than Wisneiwski, Wisnieski is a better LG than Carlisle and Carlisle is a better RG than Briesel. That’s how.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Jeremy Steward 25 carries 101 yards 4.0 per carry
Mike Goodson 17 carries 111 yards 6.5 per carry
Marcel Reece 59 carries 271 yards 4.6 per carry
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didnt marcel reece not get a carry until week 10? hmm whose decision was that
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That’s because they were playing McFadden. Wouldn’t you? I noticed in week 2 when McFadden went out and Goodson came in and made a twenty yard run and then a 70 yard TD reception to get McFadden out of there. Every one else seems to be productive for us at RB but mcFadden.
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there YDPC are good but IMO we havent run the ball enough to make any opinions about whose good. We havent had many close games so we tend to run the ball against prevent type defenses because they are up by 14+. Has DMAC struggled , yes..is it disappointing he has only one 1000 season in his career..yes..but these other running backs have not stepped up to be game changers so I’m not gonna say goodsen is our future , or reece is our next TB..I wonder which RBs most other GM s would choose from our team if they had the opportunity.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Height weight speed HWS………..Seymour is blind with hatred doesn’t understand what he;s talking about. He thinks the only players Mr Davis drfated with based on HWS he’s too stupid to know our own history.
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Come on you have gone nuts. I said we are going to draft football players not HWS. And we have. I never said that was all Davis drafted was HWS. Of course not. But in the end he did more than in the beginning. And it didn’t work out.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
I agree. I just don’t see how someone can hate him while at the same time handing out hall passes to the current staff.
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I just don’t do well in blind faith. Hue gave us tangible results that we could witness. His offense was exciting and dynamic with McF.
Now we are the laughing stock with insipid and head scratching play calling.
The defense was supposed to be coached Up but went down instead.
I am simply asking the people defending this staff to provide something tangible that makes me believe this will be a SB quality coaching staff anytime soon.
Just one thing… Blind faith doesn’t cut notches in a water pistol.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
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there YDPC are good but IMO we havent run the ball enough to make any opinions about whose good. We havent had many close games so we tend to run the ball against prevent type defenses because they are up by 14+.
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Excellent point. The issue that gets to me more than any is EVERY SINGLE OTHER BACK on our roster has seemingly run better. And don’t even start me up on the McFadden drops in the passing game. That is flat out AWFUL.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Height weight speed HWS………..Seymour is blind with hatred doesn’t understand what he;s talking about. He thinks the only players Mr Davis drfated with based on HWS he’s too stupid to know our own history.
Mayock started that crazy stuff and he bought it hook line and sinker without looking at the facts.
Is Marcus Allen HWS is Stabler HWS throughout our history we’ve drafted some greta players and some bad players but he’s too naive to know the difference.
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Our best players on offense didnt fit the HWS mode, Stabler, Gannon, fred biletnikoff, casper, todd christianson, Marcus, even Tim brown was more of a possession type, van eeghen,
December 10th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
He had a different offensive line. Satele is a much better center than Wisneiwski, Wisnieski is a better LG than Carlisle and Carlisle is a better RG than Briesel. That’s how.
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Ok… that’s a heaping helping of blind faith there.
These are largely the same players. I guess Satele was our team MVP last year… who knew?
December 10th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
He had a different offensive line. Satele is a much better center than Wisneiwski, Wisnieski is a better LG than Carlisle and Carlisle is a better RG than Briesel. That’s how.
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Who is responsible for this? Was not Satele cheaper to retain than signing Brisiel? Someone threw a pile of sh1t right in the face of a wind storm. Reggie and DA need a shower.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Look man everyone knows tghings were going to change the man is DEAD man……
Reggie hopefully will figure it out but as yet he has NOT
I would have much preferref someone with a track record and an experienced coach to help us make a transition. But you are so blind with hatred you can’t see the obvious dude. You hung up on some ignorant ass HWS phylosophy look at the evidence is MIKe Bush HWS is REECE HWS they are great football players all over this roster that can play.
YOu think Reggie has some corner on the market n drafting players you are a complete and UTTER FOOL!
December 10th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
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there YDPC are good but IMO we havent run the ball enough to make any opinions about whose good. We havent had many close games so we tend to run the ball against prevent type defenses because they are up by 14+.
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Excellent point. The issue that gets to me more than any is EVERY SINGLE OTHER BACK on our roster has seemingly run better. And don’t even start me up on the McFadden drops in the passing game. That is flat out AWFUL.
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no doubt DMAC has struggled, very disappointing, especially the drops in the passing game.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
I think we are stuck with DA for at least another year so he will have my full support, and i don’t wanna rip on him just cuz i might not like how he looks, acts, talks, coaches or handles a roster or the schemes he implements. Ha. That’s a long list, but i will look for positives going forward and am hoping to see something i can wrap my hands around to feel positive…but i’m not finding anything.
I don’t say this to be a jerk or cuz i’m trying to prove a point that he sucks and we should have never brought him on, i say it cuz that is honestly the way i feel. I want him to succeed if he’s our coach..period; i just wish he’d show me something to believe. I can’t force myself to like what i see or have seen. I can’t fool myself into it.
I wanna believe, but he needs to help me out here.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Ok… that’s a heaping helping of blind faith there.
These are largely the same players. I guess Satele was our team MVP last year… who knew?
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Indianapolis sure didn’t have a problem Satele being the main cog for their brand new franchise: Andrew Luck.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Seymour doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about man someone made a sucker outta him.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Ok… that’s a heaping helping of blind faith there.
These are largely the same players. I guess Satele was our team MVP last year… who knew?
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Indianapolis sure didn’t have a problem Satele being the main cog for their brand new franchise: Andrew Luck.
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the subtraction of satele combined with signing briesel the bust added to the elimination of Big wiz and Wylie, lead to a disaster on the OL. To me its a combination of poor personnel decisions by reggie and knapp. Big Wiz knew, thats why he left
December 10th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
I wanna believe, but he needs to help me out here.
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That’s just it. This staff has shown us exactly bupkis. I could stand for the losses as long as I saw some evidence of a team playing together, getting better, executing, fighting, focused. Instead we are getting clowned on the football field, week in and week out.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Look man everyone knows tghings were going to change the man is DEAD man……
Reggie hopefully will figure it out but as yet he has NOT
I would have much preferref someone with a track record and an experienced coach to help us make a transition. But you are so blind with hatred you can’t see the obvious dude. You hung up on some ignorant ass HWS phylosophy look at the evidence is MIKe Bush HWS is REECE HWS they are great football players all over this roster that can play.
YOu think Reggie has some corner on the market n drafting players you are a complete and UTTER FOOL!
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I don’t understand a word of this post. Look, calm down and take a deep breath. How can you judge what McKenzie will do here? He had basically no draft choices. He had no idea what kind of team he had once the bullets were flying. He had to pare $30mm in salary out of here. What Al Davis kept doing was reworking deals and reworking deals, which kept pushing a looming disaster further and further into the future. McKenzie did the right thing by saying we NEED TO DEAL WITH THIS MESS NOW!! RIGHT NOW!!! We needed Wimbley. Could not keep him. Mike Bush? Could not keep him. Did not have the cap room. We still don’t have the cap room! But McKenzie is working on doing the right things here.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
the subtraction of satele combined with signing briesel the bust added to the elimination of Big wiz and Wylie, lead to a disaster on the OL. To me its a combination of poor personnel decisions by reggie and knapp. Big Wiz knew, thats why he left*****//////////////
No but the great Reggie will get us great football players……….haha show me!!!!
What I’ve seen so far is a bunch of crap…….period Blind freakin faith…
December 10th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Ok… that’s a heaping helping of blind faith there.
These are largely the same players. I guess Satele was our team MVP last year… who knew?
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Indianapolis sure didn’t have a problem Satele being the main cog for their brand new franchise: Andrew Luck.
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the subtraction of satele combined with signing briesel the bust added to the elimination of Big wiz and Wylie, lead to a disaster on the OL. To me its a combination of poor personnel decisions by reggie and knapp. Big Wiz knew, thats why he left
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Yep. Bad personnel decisions and also unecessary change in offensive philosophy and blocking scheme.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Reggie and DA also missed big time on letting Stevie Brown go…oh wait.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Bring in Gruden and get rid of these fools.
Anyone who would hire Gregg Knapp should be fired just for that.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Look man everyone knows tghings were going to change the man is DEAD man……
Reggie hopefully will figure it out but as yet he has NOT
I would have much preferref someone with a track record and an experienced coach to help us make a transition. But you are so blind with hatred you can’t see the obvious dude. You hung up on some ignorant ass HWS phylosophy look at the evidence is MIKe Bush HWS is REECE HWS they are great football players all over this roster that can play.
YOu think Reggie has some corner on the market n drafting players you are a complete and UTTER FOOL!
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I don’t understand a word of this post. Look, calm down and take a deep breath. How can you judge what McKenzie will do here? He had basically no draft choices. He had no idea what kind of team he had once the bullets were flying. He had to pare $30mm in salary out of here. What Al Davis kept doing was reworking deals and reworking deals, which kept pushing a looming disaster further and further into the future. McKenzie did the right thing by saying we NEED TO DEAL WITH THIS MESS NOW!! RIGHT NOW!!! We needed Wimbley. Could not keep him. Mike Bush? Could not keep him. Did not have the cap room. We still don’t have the cap room! But McKenzie is working on doing the right things here.
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if you want to give Reggie a pass for 2012 thats up to you. he screwed up on his decsions on Seymour, Branch, and Briesel which will have major cap ramifications for 2013 that he created. Before we signed Carter, Cork reported we were 6 mil under cap. I cant comment on the draft because in fairness to reggie he hasnt had one yet. but I will not give him a pass in 2013. No Excuses
December 10th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
I wanna believe, but he needs to help me out here.
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That’s just it. This staff has shown us exactly bupkis. I could stand for the losses as long as I saw some evidence of a team playing together, getting better, executing, fighting, focused. Instead we are getting clowned on the football field, week in and week out.
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I can’t disagree. It is not like I look out on that field and I see the future. I don’t. The thing that terrorizes me are fans want to get rid of Palmer, get rid of Allen, get rid of McKenzie, get rid of Seymour, buy Mcclain a present, bring in Gruden who has never drafted and developed anyone, it boggles the mind. I want to see what Allen and McKenzie can do with an off season and draft. That is all I can say.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
I wanna believe, but he needs to help me out here.
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That’s just it. This staff has shown us exactly bupkis. I could stand for the losses as long as I saw some evidence of a team playing together, getting better, executing, fighting, focused. Instead we are getting clowned on the football field, week in and week out.
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I have faith that McK will draft better than old man Al did.
However, I do not have faith that DA and his whack staff can lead this team and get better.
Raiders need better coaches….period!
December 10th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
This is the worst coaching staff I have ever seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
the subtraction of satele combined with signing briesel the bust added to the elimination of Big wiz and Wylie, lead to a disaster on the OL. To me its a combination of poor personnel decisions by reggie and knapp. Big Wiz knew, thats why he left*****//////////////
No but the great Reggie will get us great football players……….haha show me!!!!
What I’ve seen so far is a bunch of crap…….period Blind freakin faith…
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I can see what they are doing here. OK, you are Mark Davis. What do you want to do? Tell me?
December 10th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Kirk Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Bring in Gruden and get rid of these fools.
Anyone who would hire Gregg Knapp should be fired just for that.
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Yep! I put my money on Gruden and whoever he hires as his coaches turning this team around ahead of DA and his whacked coaches.
Easily!
December 10th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
DKnight007, why the flagnogg didn’t they hire Gruden in the first place?
December 10th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
off the subject here.Raiders should draft DT Star Lotulei with their 3rd overall pick IF they don’t trade down. this dude is a freak of nature and beats double teams. would free up the DEs and LBs to get to the QB. Star would anchor the whole defense for the next 10 years. fuk drafting that MLB, draft a beast DT/NT and watch that defense improve immediately. But ofcourse it wont matter because the Raiders will never make it to the playoffs of they can’t resign their punter! OH NO. it all comes down to the 5$ million punter
December 10th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
What are the odds that reggie announces in january that saunders contract will not be renewed but knapp will remain as OC
December 10th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
I have faith that McK will draft better than old man Al did.
However, I do not have faith that DA and his whack staff can lead this team and get better.
Raiders need better coaches….period!
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I appreciate that. But when I see Marques Colston run right past Mitchell like he was asleep for an easy TD with 40 seconds to go in the half versus New Orleans, or McFadden drop a pass on the lst play last game where he is singled up against the Bunco’s MLB, a play that should have gone for 30 yards and might have completely affected the outcome, I can’t judge the staff until we get some guys in here that can settle down and make some simple plays.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
It’s so simple it’s sickening. All Reggie had to do was:
Keep Hue and let him gameplan and build around Palmer and McFadden
Resign Bush
Hire a bona dude DC
A couple of tweaks here and there and we are really good. Hues irrational firing is a footnote in Raider history.
Reggie and DA have created a monumental mess that ain’t gonna get cleaned up over night. And to hell with the ZBS. It’ll be outlawed next year. Another oversight by these guys. They ruined what could have been a good thing. Good luck climbing outta this hole. Reggie and DA apologists need to realize this. It really is that simple. That is why it is so sickening.
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Exactly!
December 10th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Kirk Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
This is the worst coaching staff I have ever seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
>>> well look at the practice squad players they have starting. just sayin
December 10th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Dump Lechler. He is overrated and over paid.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Kirk Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
This is the worst coaching staff I have ever seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
>>> well look at the practice squad players they have starting. just sayin
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Look at what Hue did with a lesser quarterback and the same players.
December 10th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
I have faith that McK will draft better than old man Al did.
However, I do not have faith that DA and his whack staff can lead this team and get better.
Raiders need better coaches….period!
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I appreciate that. But when I see Marques Colston run right past Mitchell like he was asleep for an easy TD with 40 seconds to go in the half versus New Orleans, or McFadden drop a pass on the lst play last game where he is singled up against the Bunco’s MLB, a play that should have gone for 30 yards and might have completely affected the outcome, I can’t judge the staff until we get some guys in here that can settle down and make some simple plays.
>> yeah the Raiders don’t have a lot of talent. no #1 WR, no leader on defense, no #1 corner, no play makers on defense period. players have to play
December 10th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Dennis Allen has never been a head coach before, and Greg Knapp has been fired from every job he ever had.
These guys are in way over their heads.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Kirk Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
DKnight007, why the flagnogg didn’t they hire Gruden in the first place?
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Gotta pay Gruden the $$$$$ that is why. He will want at least 6 million a yeat….at least.
It’s would be worth it.
Just gotta build the defense for him and Gruden is a leader of men!
December 10th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Kirk Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Kirk Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
This is the worst coaching staff I have ever seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
>>> well look at the practice squad players they have starting. just sayin
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Look at what Hue did with a lesser quarterback and the same players.
manassamauler Says:
>> hue coached against a crappier division AND an easier schedule. Hue did more with less(maybe) against less. seymour and kelly have aged 10 years this year and the defense is gutted. Raiders were shut down against top teams last year. overrated and you bought the hype.easy to do
December 10th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Seymour I’ve said it a million times before he hired DA and after. I would have hired a experienced coach to dvelope my talent that I get, someone who had a chance and wants to prove himself. I would hire David Shaw if I had my preferences but DA shows me absolutely NOTHING!!!………….period
December 10th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Lechler is gone. That’s why they kept King on the roster.
Reggie realizes we need that 5 mill. elsewhere.
Lechler is a luxury we can’t afford anymore.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
I have faith that McK will draft better than old man Al did.
However, I do not have faith that DA and his whack staff can lead this team and get better.
Raiders need better coaches….period!
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I appreciate that. But when I see Marques Colston run right past Mitchell like he was asleep for an easy TD with 40 seconds to go in the half versus New Orleans, or McFadden drop a pass on the lst play last game where he is singled up against the Bunco’s MLB, a play that should have gone for 30 yards and might have completely affected the outcome, I can’t judge the staff until we get some guys in here that can settle down and make some simple plays.
>> yeah the Raiders don’t have a lot of talent. no #1 WR, no leader on defense, no #1 corner, no play makers on defense period. players have to play
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Sorry, but DA and especially Knapp and the coaching staff stink.
The changed offensive scheme when it didn’t need to be done and DA hired Knapp as OC and an inexperienced Tarver and a lousy special teams guy like Hoffman??
That tells me all I need to know about DA and his evaluation of personnel and his lousy staff.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
>> yeah the Raiders don’t have a lot of talent. no #1 WR, no leader on defense, no #1 corner, no play makers on defense period. players have to play
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Thank you.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Lechler is gone. That’s why they kept King on the roster.
Reggie realizes we need that 5 mill. elsewhere.
Lechler is a luxury we can’t afford anymore.
>. RM will sign lechler to a 5 year25 million contract because lechler is an “effort” guy.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
It’s so simple it’s sickening. All Reggie had to do was:
Keep Hue and let him gameplan and build around Palmer and McFadden
Resign Bush
Hire a bona dude DC
A couple of tweaks here and there and we are really good. Hues irrational firing is a footnote in Raider history.
Reggie and DA have created a monumental mess that ain’t gonna get cleaned up over night. And to hell with the ZBS. It’ll be outlawed next year. Another oversight by these guys. They ruined what could have been a good thing. Good luck climbing outta this hole. Reggie and DA apologists need to realize this. It really is that simple. That is why it is so sickening.
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Exactly!
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Your forgetting about the $35mm in salary you have to cut. So, that would be Palmer, McFadden, Seymour, and you could keep Bush, routt, and Wimbley.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Seymour I’ve said it a million times before he hired DA and after. I would have hired a experienced coach to dvelope my talent that I get, someone who had a chance and wants to prove himself. I would hire David Shaw if I had my preferences but DA shows me absolutely NOTHING!!!………….perio
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Exactly.
You don’t fire a hard working rookie head coach in Hue who banged up team one game away from playoffs with a lousy DC and then hire a younger rookie head coach in DA to replace him?? Bad.
David Shaw has some upside and he has actual head coaching experience unlike DA!
December 10th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Lechler is gone! King is the punter next year!
December 10th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
To even argue for these guys IMO is ludicrous…
You can hate Hue all you want but for Reeggie to not even talk with the man to see if he could be convinced otherwise IMO is derolict. Reggie came in with preconceaved notions and acted on them. Which mismanagment of the highest order. He should be fired on that fact alone.
hee should have taken hs time and did his due diligence made sure the changes he was mnaking were NECESSARY not change to make for change sake.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
I have faith that McK will draft better than old man Al did.
However, I do not have faith that DA and his whack staff can lead this team and get better.
Raiders need better coaches….period!
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I appreciate that. But when I see Marques Colston run right past Mitchell like he was asleep for an easy TD with 40 seconds to go in the half versus New Orleans, or McFadden drop a pass on the lst play last game where he is singled up against the Bunco’s MLB, a play that should have gone for 30 yards and might have completely affected the outcome, I can’t judge the staff until we get some guys in here that can settle down and make some simple plays.
>> yeah the Raiders don’t have a lot of talent. no #1 WR, no leader on defense, no #1 corner, no play makers on defense period. players have to play
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Sorry, but DA and especially Knapp and the coaching staff stink.
The changed offensive scheme when it didn’t need to be done and DA hired Knapp as OC and an inexperienced Tarver and a lousy special teams guy like Hoffman??
That tells me all I need to know about DA and his evaluation of personnel and his lousy staff.
>> players have to play. Norv turner stunk it up in Oak but has had success in SD. why is that? my point is that you need some talent AND leadership ON TH FIELD combined with coaching to win. you can’t put this on DA. look at the defensive roster. who is the #1 corner on this team? anybody know? i don’t, no talent defense. you can’t win games with that crap UNLESS you have tom brady or manning and even then with wouldn’t easy. its more on the players than these coaches. let them get some talent and leadership on the field and then judge.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Seymour I’ve said it a million times before he hired DA and after. I would have hired a experienced coach to dvelope my talent that I get, someone who had a chance and wants to prove himself. I would hire David Shaw if I had my preferences but DA shows me absolutely NOTHING!!!………….period
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lst off why would Shaw come here? The chances of David Shaw coming here would be one in a thousand. And you know why? Because everyone and their mom knew that this was going to be a HUGE problem getting this turned around with the cap problems and the lack of draft choices. If you were David Shaw and you had to take over a team YOU KNEW would take years, would you do it? And if you went 2-14, and 3-13 and got fired, you might not get another NFL gig. The other problem is Shaw would have to learn the NFL which also takes time. Give me a more realistic name. And don’t say Belichik would come here.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
replace allen with gruden in week 1 and this team would be 5-8 at best right now. not even gruden could overcome that horrible defense and no running game all year.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Seymour I’ve said it a million times before he hired DA and after. I would have hired a experienced coach to dvelope my talent that I get, someone who had a chance and wants to prove himself. I would hire David Shaw if I had my preferences but DA shows me absolutely NOTHING!!!………….perio
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Exactly.
You don’t fire a hard working rookie head coach in Hue who banged up team one game away from playoffs with a lousy DC and then hire a younger rookie head coach in DA to replace him?? Bad.
David Shaw has some upside and he has actual head coaching experience unlike DA!
>. why do you guys argue for hue STILL! never ends, this dude pulled of the dumbest trade in raider history and you people want that dingle berry as HC?
December 10th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
To even argue for these guys IMO is ludicrous…
You can hate Hue all you want but for Reeggie to not even talk with the man to see if he could be convinced otherwise IMO is derolict. Reggie came in with preconceaved notions and acted on them. Which mismanagment of the highest order. He should be fired on that fact alone.
hee should have taken hs time and did his due diligence made sure the changes he was mnaking were NECESSARY not change to make for change sake.
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Exactly, but Mark Davis forced McK to fire Hue.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
To even argue for these guys IMO is ludicrous…
You can hate Hue all you want but for Reeggie to not even talk with the man to see if he could be convinced otherwise IMO is derolict.
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I don’t hate Jackson. I just would not want him in charge of anything. I have seen what happens. Cable was a good coach. Cables teams win. Cables team put up 50 spot on a division rival yesterday. Remember what Cable did to division rivals here? Jacksons secondary got torched in the final minutes after they were winning big against Dallas yesterday. Remember that too? These are facts. Not my feelings.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
replace allen with gruden in week 1 and this team would be 5-8 at best right now. not even gruden could overcome that horrible defense and no running game all year.
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Exactly. At least Gruden would get the most of his talent, make proper adjustments and use his players to their strengths and give this team a fighting change and the players would buy into what Gruden is selling.
This team doesn’t even fight for DA and the rest of this crap staff!
December 10th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Talk to yalls tomorrow.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Seymour I’ve said it a million times before he hired DA and after. I would have hired a experienced coach to dvelope my talent that I get, someone who had a chance and wants to prove himself. I would hire David Shaw if I had my preferences but DA shows me absolutely NOTHING!!!………….perio
^^^^^^^^^
Exactly.
You don’t fire a hard working rookie head coach in Hue who banged up team one game away from playoffs with a lousy DC and then hire a younger rookie head coach in DA to replace him?? Bad.
David Shaw has some upside and he has actual head coaching experience unlike DA!
>. why do you guys argue for hue STILL! never ends, this dude pulled of the dumbest trade in raider history and you people want that dingle berry as HC?
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You still using that dumbest trade in the history of football garbage?? haha
Guess you never heard of the Herchel Walker trade huh and the many other crazy trades in the NFL??
December 10th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
When I see players not even playing inspiring football and just going through the motions.
Tells me they don’t respect the coaching staff and don’t give a crap.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Seymour I’ve said it a million times before he hired DA and after. I would have hired a experienced coach to dvelope my talent that I get, someone who had a chance and wants to prove himself. I would hire David Shaw if I had my preferences but DA shows me absolutely NOTHING!!!………….perio
^^^^^^^^^
Exactly.
You don’t fire a hard working rookie head coach in Hue who banged up team one game away from playoffs with a lousy DC and then hire a younger rookie head coach in DA to replace him?? Bad.
David Shaw has some upside and he has actual head coaching experience unlike DA!
>. why do you guys argue for hue STILL! never ends, this dude pulled of the dumbest trade in raider history and you people want that dingle berry as HC?
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You still using that dumbest trade in the history of football garbage?? haha
Guess you never heard of the Herchel Walker trade huh and the many other crazy trades in the NFL??
>. i said dumbest trade in RAIDER history. i can’t think of a dumber move. hue was a moron
December 10th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
When I see players not even playing inspiring football and just going through the motions.
Tells me they don’t respect the coaching staff and don’t give a crap.
>. defense put up a fight against manning thursday. can’t deny that. but they were over matched against the 3rd greatest QB of all time. no shame in losing to manning
December 10th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Seymour I’ve said it a million times before he hired DA and after. I would have hired a experienced coach to dvelope my talent that I get, someone who had a chance and wants to prove himself. I would hire David Shaw if I had my preferences but DA shows me absolutely NOTHING!!!………….period
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lst off why would Shaw come here? The chances of David Shaw coming here would be one in a thousand. And you know why? Because everyone and their mom knew that this was going to be a HUGE problem getting this turned around with the cap problems and the lack of draft choices. If you were David Shaw and you had to take over a team YOU KNEW would take years, would you do it? And if you went 2-14, and 3-13 and got fired, you might not get another NFL gig. The other problem is Shaw would have to learn the NFL which also takes time. Give me a more realistic name. And don’t say Belichik would come here.
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Seymour agsin you know not of which you speak David Shaw sp0ent years here when he did’t have to and loves the Raiders and would come here easily all they have to do is ask.
He stayed here even after Mr Davis fired his father and stayed for another 3 years. But again this is the type of propaganda that exist in here and it is totally baseless………….period
December 10th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
did priest just accuse someone of spreading propaganda? priest? seriously? did i just spray my drink all over as i read it?
December 10th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
priest’s preference was to hire a black coach? seriously? that’s surprising.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Yeah you’ll take a white coach no matter how bad he is. I want a winner who’s got a plan that uis working. But just pretend he’s white so it doesn’t hurt so bad…….lol
December 10th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Yeah you’ll take a white coach no matter how bad he is. I want a winner who’s got a plan that uis working. But just pretend he’s white so it doesn’t hurt so bad…….lol
>> awwww that must be it
December 11th, 2012 at 12:06 am
yes priest. yet another stupid lie from ur mouth. anyone, inckuding u, that has paid any attention knows that i couldn’t care less what color anyone is. that’s u and missdick, and fangs.
and also, anyone here knows i have no love for DA. i just know he’s coming back, so there’s no point going on and on about it. plus, as EVERYONE here knows, one problem the raiders have had is coaching instability. if he was supposed to be a good coach to begin with, then he should be given the chance to show it over some time.
but ur a liar and we all know that too.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Regardless of what position some of you kats want the first draft choice to be. The Raids have holes at almost ever position. The number one needs to be the best person available, regardless of position. If as some of you say this team lacks talent and depth, it is going to take a hell of alot more to over haul this roster than just one number one pick.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:09 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
clowney cant come out.. he needs another year.
Walterfootball has Clowney the number 1 pick in next yrs draft. They have the oakland Raiders taking him with the 1st overall pick. I guess they pick the raiders to win less then 4 games next season.
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Walter football are projecting DA to be our HC next year.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:10 am
Raiders will take that DT Star Lotulei. it all starts with the defensive line and that dude MOVES offensive lines by himself
December 11th, 2012 at 12:12 am
pretty sure our 1st need is a pass rusher. luckily, there are several in the top few players. personally, i would like manti teo cuz he’s a bad azz and he would be a bigtime leader, which we sorely lack (and reggie has admitted).
December 11th, 2012 at 12:16 am
dr_robert Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:12 am
pretty sure our 1st need is a pass rusher. luckily, there are several in the top few players. personally, i would like manti teo cuz he’s a bad azz and he would be a bigtime leader, which we sorely lack (and reggie has admitted).
>> they may draft a DE. drafting an MLB may be a mistake with a DLINE as craptastic as this one. i would prefer DT Star because they guy will get double teamed every snap and will open up things for the DEs and OLBs just by that.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:27 am
i would normally agree about a LB that high (and so would al davis), but i’m a huge irish fan and i’ve watched him play every game for 4 years and i know what kind of presence he has. he is like a junior seau crossed with mike singletary.
also, for whatever reason, tarver and reggie seem to think our d-line is “stout”. that worries me. they believe it’s the corners who are the problem. they said as much coming into the season, and the release of bartell speaks volumes.
the biggest instant difference makers are usually DT’s, pass rushing DE/LB’s, CB’s, LT’s, QB’s, and RB’s.
a guy like jones or moore, would fit in as a LB that drops down to rush in nickel situations and have burris move to the middle.
don’t see a CB, LT, QB, or RB that would be the pick, so it would either be a pass rusher or star.
or perhaps we simply trade down a few spots and pick up a 2nd rounder, and take mingo.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:31 am
and he’s wearing a polo hat!
December 11th, 2012 at 12:34 am
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1440616-breaking-down-the-play-of-oakland-raiders-linebacker-rolando-mcclain?
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nice break-down on mcclain
December 11th, 2012 at 12:37 am
although guy made some good points that would be hard for a white man to make.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:00 am
any chance we take a chance on Marcus Lattimore? Draft him let him set out a year n get healthy??? Like we did Bush…??
December 11th, 2012 at 1:56 am
Well it is true that we haven’t had a first rounder here for a couple years
But I did lose a slight amount of respect for Reggie Mac when he hired his brother and put him up there with him in the press box. Not a deal breaker but little nepotistic
December 11th, 2012 at 2:17 am
Anyone know where Marcus Lattimore is projected to be drafted??? Think we use a 6th rounder on him???
December 11th, 2012 at 2:36 am
Lattimore eh? Don’t know what round probably late. Problem is we would have to sit him for a while let him heal; maybe a year like Bush. Then we would have a year less of his services before he departs in free agency.
Although we definitely use an RB and he was great before his injury, its kinda hard to push for a “project” when our team has so many pressing needs in many areas.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:39 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Incidentlt Reggie MCk is all about HWS regardless to what he says just give it time and you’ll see I’m right.
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Raji? Bulaga? Rogers? Clay Mathews? Are you kidding me? Mathews wasn’t even a starter at USC. He was a special teamer. Take a seat son.
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uh Mathews was defensive player of the year, following the year Woodson was.
Raji is a intregal starter.
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December 11th, 2012 at 2:40 am
Raidertalk Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:36 am
Lattimore eh? Don’t know what round probably late. Problem is we would have to sit him for a while let him heal; maybe a year like Bush. Then we would have a year less of his services before he departs in free agency.
Although we definitely use an RB and he was great before his injury, its kinda hard to push for a “project” when our team has so many pressing needs in many areas.
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Lattimore will be lucky to play in a softball game. Did you see that freaking injury?!
DONE, Son.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:41 am
Part of the problem was that last year we had what 5 pics. This year we will have at least 6 and a first rounder. These picks will be critical, But then again nobody really remembers the 6-7th rounder
December 11th, 2012 at 2:42 am
That leg looked like some body ripped a sock out of a dryer.
and thats AFTER an ACL and a hip injury.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywemwRy2PXM
December 11th, 2012 at 2:43 am
Raidertalk Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:41 am
Part of the problem was that last year we had what 5 pics. This year we will have at least 6 and a first rounder. These picks will be critical, But then again nobody really remembers the 6-7th rounder
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sure remember Marques Colston (7th rounder) and Courtland Finnegan (also 7th)
December 11th, 2012 at 2:44 am
RaiderSam Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:40 am
Raidertalk Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:36 am
Lattimore eh? Don’t know what round probably late. Problem is we would have to sit him for a while let him heal; maybe a year like Bush. Then we would have a year less of his services before he departs in free agency.
Although we definitely use an RB and he was great before his injury, its kinda hard to push for a “project” when our team has so many pressing needs in many areas.
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Lattimore will be lucky to play in a softball game. Did you see that freaking injury?!
DONE, Son.
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THat injury was NASTY. But how big of balls do the dude have to keep at it after that? I give him credit for courage at least.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:46 am
I thought the same thing was said about Willis Mcgahee??? look at him…he’s been a serviceable back.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:53 am
how explosive was this team….?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLVqJ2G4EEs
December 11th, 2012 at 2:56 am
OklahomaRaider18 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:46 am
I thought the same thing was said about Willis Mcgahee??? look at him…he’s been a serviceable back.
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Yeah. Same thing said about Frank Gore as well. You never know. Maybe they take a flier on him. Tyrann Mathieu..a number of players…they have to get some personnel and gamble a little late. I wouldnt be opposed to it.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:03 am
Where have these Raiders gone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBW9QvwF8fU
December 11th, 2012 at 3:12 am
RaiderSam Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:03 am
Where have these Raiders gone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBW9QvwF8fU
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man, those guys looked great. what happened?
December 11th, 2012 at 3:17 am
[...] Lechler looking toward the future, uncertain what it holds Punter Shane Lechler and kicker Sebastian Janikowski are the only two players on the Raiders 53-man roster that experienced a winning season with this team. This season marks Lechler’s 13th season, and it just might be his final one in a Raider… [...]
December 11th, 2012 at 3:17 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:12 am
RaiderSam Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:03 am
Where have these Raiders gone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBW9QvwF8fU
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man, those guys looked great. what happened?
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Greg Knapp, and some untimely injuries. Ford, in particular. Denarius Moore looked good as a returner…. all that speed, just wasted – Moore, Bey, McFadden, Reece. Maybe the ZBS needs a downfield runner that can patiently set up blocks…what if Bush stayed?
we’ll never know.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:18 am
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December 11th, 2012 at 3:31 am
I want Manti Teo with our first pick!!
December 11th, 2012 at 3:33 am
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/register/joingroup
Sign up for bowl game pick em contest
I fixed the sign up problem
group id# 14891
password aldavis
December 11th, 2012 at 3:40 am
That’s a trip reading everyones opinion of what was wrong or right about the team, what went wrong and what to do now
Bottom line = Al had us headed in the right direction. He passed and the franchise hit bottom.
Nobody would be able to run it Als way or clean up after him so we have to be patient and hope Reggie is capable. No GM has ever entered a season like this and it is easy for all the Monday morning qbs to tell him what he is doing wrong.
I am on his side but I am not on Meddlesome Marks side.
I think he is the milkmans son and that milkman was Charlie brown
December 11th, 2012 at 3:47 am
Stay away from manti, get star or trade down if possible. I am almost always in favor of trading down, every year.
Not this year. Star can anchor our D for the next ten years. Put an end to teams running on us for the most part.
I like him and maybe that center from Alabama. I am sure others will look good after draft camp
December 11th, 2012 at 3:53 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:47 am
Stay away from manti, get star or trade down if possible. I am almost always in favor of trading down, every year.
Not this year. Star can anchor our D for the next ten years. Put an end to teams running on us for the most part.
I like him and maybe that center from Alabama. I am sure others will look good after draft camp
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keep the pick, and strengthen both sides of the line – DL – Star L.
OL – Chance Warmack, if he’s available.
DL and OL
and go free agency for a pass rusher? Connor Barwin? Since D.A . is fashioning this lineup like the Texans (which I wouldnt brag about…even we didnt get blown out that bad v. the Pats at home)
December 11th, 2012 at 4:03 am
When do we sign Reggie Smith??? Good football player, versatile, returns kicks, special teams….he’s gotta be better than Matt”outta place”Girlidano….
December 11th, 2012 at 4:06 am
Al Davis wanted Sean Payton & Ken Whizensunt for HC a few years ago. expressed regret over firing Norv Turner too quickly
all 3 HC’s will be available this offseason. Makes me wonder if Mark Davis wont bite, or all least sniff
December 11th, 2012 at 4:14 am
Rich Gannon’s franchise record of 4,689 yards was set in 2002.
Palmer has 3,805 yards in 13 games.
So Palmer needs 885 passing yards in the last 3 games (avg = 295 per game)
Anybody think he’ll get it ??
December 11th, 2012 at 4:18 am
Look fellas… We all want the #1 draft pick (especially with the new rookie cap) , but nothing would please me more than to beat KC this week
I live in Missouri and am surrounded by Chief fans. to sweep them during our pathetic season actually still gives me bragging rights
Oakland 13
Kansas Pity 10
December 11th, 2012 at 4:18 am
Sam Reg has said he plans on getting some FA and cork said he will have plenty of money under the cap next year so I expect some big signings
December 11th, 2012 at 4:20 am
Plunk,
BigMac is going to dump half the roster and half the coaching staff. It’s necessary to win and keep his own job
December 11th, 2012 at 4:21 am
He wont get it. TP will see some playing time and the run game will be more involved
December 11th, 2012 at 4:24 am
I agree about the roster but I doubt he will let DA go. But I don’t have a clue.
If Reg does it I am OK with it. I just hate to see Mark get involved. That will be the end of the franchise under him
December 11th, 2012 at 4:28 am
I actually think we will beat KC and beat them good.
Raiders 31
river skunks 12
December 11th, 2012 at 4:33 am
Plunk,
I wasn’t talking about Dennis Allen. I think Knapp, Tarver & Hoffman are gone.
As well as a few asst coaches like DeFilippo & Pollack and a few defensive coaches
December 11th, 2012 at 4:35 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_hue_jackson_raiders_fired_011012
That is a good read.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:36 am
Plunk,
Palmer will put himself in position to break the record.
scenario:
He will only need 10 yards. 4th quarter with 12 secs left in the final game. throws a 12 yard pass.
pick six. loses the game. comes up just short on the record as well
December 11th, 2012 at 4:38 am
I see McFadden having a huge game on Sunday, he always comes strapped up to play!!! Raiders 24-Queefs13, LaceUp!!!
December 11th, 2012 at 4:40 am
Anybody know if we can get ole Stevie Brown back?? Maybe switch Tyvon Branch to FS???
December 11th, 2012 at 4:45 am
I think we need to have Mike Mitchell add about 15lbs n move him to OLB, dude would straight up ball. He needs to be playing every down, especially 3rd downs covering Tight Ends.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:50 am
OK,
Tyvon Branch sucks. trade him or cut him
3 biggest bonehead moves by Reggie
#1 pay Seymour $15 million
#2 franchise Branch, followed by long term deal
#3 Mike Brisiel (OL)
December 11th, 2012 at 5:40 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:14 am
Rich Gannon’s franchise record of 4,689 yards was set in 2002.
Palmer has 3,805 yards in 13 games.
So Palmer needs 885 passing yards in the last 3 games (avg = 295 per game)
Anybody think he’ll get it ??
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I mean how can you care about that, when as long as Palmer is our QB, it shows that we going nowhere fast…we better be concerned about who’s our Head Coach & QB for next year, because as I have predicted, Palmer is washed up. Gaurantee if Gruden gets the job, Palmer will not be our QB…Gauranteed!
December 11th, 2012 at 5:47 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: some players are disgusted that the Raiders would even reinstate Ronaldo after what he said on Facebook.
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That’s not a legitimate Raiders news twitter account. I followed it for awhile, but you can tell it’s just some fool (probably some commenter from here) posting crap he heard from the other Raiders media.
And anyway, the CBA requires the Raiders to handle the matter in a certain way to have a better chance at voiding Rolando’s guaranteed money.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:49 am
Dakota Says:
I pointed you to that post to show that I took back my Tarkenton comment. He was not a running QB.
And I have pointed to Cunningham as one of the few run orientated QBs to make a career into his mid to late 30s….which is my point, these QBs are not going to last much past 32 years old. They are being asked to take the beating of a QB and of a backup RB.
If they can adapt and become great pocket passing QBs then maybe they will have a chance to have long careers.
Only time will tell.
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Should we add Tom Brady as a run-oriented QB?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/tom-brady-im-no-rg3-but-i-can-run-for-a-first-down/
LOL
December 11th, 2012 at 5:50 am
oklahomaRaider18 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:40 am
Anybody know if we can get ole Stevie Brown back?? Maybe switch Tyvon Branch to FS???
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Yeah! How About that huh? We might as well get Kevin Boothe back as well because he’s been starting at left-gaurd for the Giants the last 2-seasons. And lets not forget Chris Clemons who is starting for the Seahawks Defense at Right Def-End.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:13 am
and trevor scot and mcquistan
December 11th, 2012 at 6:26 am
MisMistic
I’m physic. Did you see that pop rg3 took. It s going to be a weekly thing with his injury report
December 11th, 2012 at 6:29 am
DONT CARE IF PALMER THROWS FOR 6K YARDS THIS YEAR..JUST WIN BABY.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:47 am
938.RaidingTexas Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:47 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: some players are disgusted that the Raiders would even reinstate Ronaldo after what he said on Facebook.
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That’s not a legitimate Raiders news twitter account. I followed it for awhile, but you can tell it’s just some fool (probably some commenter from here) posting crap he heard from the other Raiders media.
And anyway, the CBA requires the Raiders to handle the matter in a certain way to have a better chance at voiding Rolando’s guaranteed money.
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Yeah I checked out that twitter account, there are tweets about things like firing reggie and the like. No real media source would ever say things like that. It definitely looks like it is run by one of the trolls from here.
You are also correct about reinstating Slo to the roster, they HAD to. He still wasn’t allowed to rejoin the team on the practice field, and I have no doubt that he will NOT be allowed to going forward.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:53 am
sundays is gonna svck again….last sunday was pretty stress free lol…
December 11th, 2012 at 6:53 am
Not to be the grammar nazi but it’s PSYCHIC.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:55 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
sundays is gonna svck again….last sunday was pretty stress free lol…
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Only three more to get through.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:57 am
man are the texaints the ultimate choke artists or what?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:04 am
Sad to say, but NE looks like they are in a league of their own again. If they hammer SF this Sunday the way they did Hou, I would have to say they are BIG favorites for another Lombardi.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Anyone notice that nobody on the Texans was yucking it up while getting their ass handed to them?
Why do we think its funny.
Those teams are worlds apart from our joke of a team.
keep the EXCUSES to yourself I got em all memorized, just sayin
December 11th, 2012 at 7:28 am
i love seeing the texaints and pubiak getting beat down…serves that ex domkey right…oh wait DA is an ex donkey….we svck again!
December 11th, 2012 at 7:29 am
I wish we sucked when Cam Newton or Andrew Luck were the top players in their drafts…
December 11th, 2012 at 7:40 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Anyone notice that nobody on the Texans was yucking it up while getting their ass handed to them?
Why do we think its funny.
Those teams are worlds apart from our joke of a team.
keep the EXCUSES to yourself I got em all memorized, just sayin
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Another reason why DA gotta go, obviously everytime we get shellacked he likes chummying it up with the opposition, how about just a regular handshake and move on? Did anybody get the message to him that he is employed by the Oakland Raiders (Remember with John Fox)? whats with this guy??!!
December 11th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Bcz24 Says:
Sad to say, but NE looks like they are in a league of their own again. If they hammer SF this Sunday the way they did Hou, I would have to say they are BIG favorites for another Lombardi.
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Unless they play the Giants in the SB. That team just has their number for some reason.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:45 am
i think if i watch enough youtube videos of the real raiders, i can convince myself that reggie and DA never happened…well im gonna try…lol.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:45 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:14 am
Rich Gannon’s franchise record of 4,689 yards was set in 2002.
Palmer has 3,805 yards in 13 games.
So Palmer needs 885 passing yards in the last 3 games (avg = 295 per game)
Anybody think he’ll get it ??
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If they start him and he breaks Gannons proud record it will be a disgrace
December 11th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Moose Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:45 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:14 am
Rich Gannon’s franchise record of 4,689 yards was set in 2002.
Palmer has 3,805 yards in 13 games.
So Palmer needs 885 passing yards in the last 3 games (avg = 295 per game)
Anybody think he’ll get it ??
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If they start him and he breaks Gannons proud record it will be a disgrace
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LOL!!! You got that right!!!
December 11th, 2012 at 7:51 am
http://youtu.be/vX6i0a8t0KY
December 11th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Forget about King, resign Lechler. I saw just as many bad kicks from King as i saw good ones
December 11th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Palmer will start the last 3 games. Raiders obviously don’t see anything in Pryor otherwise he would have been staring 3 games ago. PALMER will throw for 350+ this weekend against the Queefs then its 2 crappy defenses after that. Palmer will break gannons record. and who gives a fuk anyway this team up sh*t creek without a paddle
December 11th, 2012 at 7:53 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Forget about King, resign Lechler. I saw just as many bad kicks from King as i saw good ones
>> sign lechler for 5×25 mil. raiders won’t make it without the punter kicking it a whopping 6 yards farther than his backup.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:55 am
texans got their panties handed to them last night. Pats look like the SB favorite.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:56 am
manassamauler Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:53 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Forget about King, resign Lechler. I saw just as many bad kicks from King as i saw good ones
>> sign lechler for 5×25 mil. raiders won’t make it without the punter kicking it a whopping 6 yards farther than his backup.
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Actually, once a player signs a contract, it has to be doubled in order for thim to resign. So it’s more like 8 years, 24 Million. That’s the rules. let’s have Shane’s agent negotiate with Al Davis’s tombstone to workout all the guaranteed money.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:57 am
manassamauler Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Palmer will start the last 3 games. Raiders obviously don’t see anything in Pryor otherwise he would have been staring 3 games ago. PALMER will throw for 350+ this weekend against the Queefs then its 2 crappy defenses after that. Palmer will break gannons record. and who gives a fuk anyway this team up sh*t creek without a paddle
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No! Correction. Clueless DA and Knapp dont see anything in Pryor. As a side thought however,Im Wondering what someone like Gruden can do with Pryor though?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:59 am
No! Correction. Clueless DA and Knapp dont see anything in Pryor. As a side thought however,Im Wondering what someone like Gruden can do with Pryor though?
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Probably worse than what he did with Chris Simms. I don’t think Pryor will be a good NFL qb, should’ve just made him a TE. But I’d rather see what he can do in the last 3 weeks
December 11th, 2012 at 8:00 am
ddwight Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:57 am
manassamauler Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Palmer will start the last 3 games. Raiders obviously don’t see anything in Pryor otherwise he would have been staring 3 games ago. PALMER will throw for 350+ this weekend against the Queefs then its 2 crappy defenses after that. Palmer will break gannons record. and who gives a fuk anyway this team up sh*t creek without a paddle
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No! Correction. Clueless DA and Knapp dont see anything in Pryor. As a side thought however,Im Wondering what someone like Gruden can do with Pryor though?
>>> they’re paying Palmer 10 mil+ per year and they know they CAN’T trade him with that contract.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:01 am
can pryor play WR? might be better than moore and DHB. Tawian Jones said he’s switch up and play corner just to get on the field. that’s a football player
December 11th, 2012 at 8:04 am
bcz24 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:04 am
Sad to say, but NE looks like they are in a league of their own again. If they hammer SF this Sunday the way they did Hou, I would have to say they are BIG favorites for another Lombardi.
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I have noticed that the past few weeks they are putting it together. Tom was looking a tad rusty but not anymore.
Only one team can beat them and that’s Tom Cables Seahawks
December 11th, 2012 at 8:04 am
>>> they’re paying Palmer 10 mil+ per year and they know they CAN’T trade him with that contract.
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The horrible part about contracts is, once it expires, the Raiders HAVE to sign him again for 20 million a year this time.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:06 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:59 am
No! Correction. Clueless DA and Knapp dont see anything in Pryor. As a side thought however,Im Wondering what someone like Gruden can do with Pryor though?
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Probably worse than what he did with Chris Simms. I don’t think Pryor will be a good NFL qb, should’ve just made him a TE. But I’d rather see what he can do in the last 3 weeks
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But he did do something with Gannon right? They have similar tools to work with. Gannon was not a protypical QB…if you look at his history he started as a safty—then went to QB…Gannon became a QB that could run (not a RB that can throw) there would nothing to lose at this point, to try it with Pryor if someone like Gruden who is a QB coach can work him. Gruden relishes for chances like that, although it may not happen here.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:09 am
But he did do something with Gannon right? They have similar tools to work with. Gannon was not a protypical QB…if you look at his history he started as a safty—then went to QB…Gannon became a QB that could run (not a RB that can throw) there would nothing to lose at this point, to try it with Pryor if someone like Gruden who is a QB coach can work him. Gruden relishes for chances like that, although it may not happen here.
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Difference is Gannon was a Veteran QB that could run Gruden’s huge playbook. He’d have to dial it way back for Pryor. Who can’t really seem to read a defense, or at least stay in the pocket enough to try.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Good for you Chimdi Chekwa, it’s about time.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:12 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:09 am
But he did do something with Gannon right? They have similar tools to work with. Gannon was not a protypical QB…if you look at his history he started as a safty—then went to QB…Gannon became a QB that could run (not a RB that can throw) there would nothing to lose at this point, to try it with Pryor if someone like Gruden who is a QB coach can work him. Gruden relishes for chances like that, although it may not happen here.
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Difference is Gannon was a Veteran QB that could run Gruden’s huge playbook. He’d have to dial it way back for Pryor. Who can’t really seem to read a defense, or at least stay in the pocket enough to try.
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Have you seen Pryor given that chance yet? What do you know about his capicity to pick up Grudens offense if Gruden was here? Dont see yet where hes been given any chance yet, you?
December 11th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Have you seen Pryor given that chance yet? What do you know about his capicity to pick up Grudens offense if Gruden was here? Dont see yet where hes been given any chance yet, you?
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I’m judging him off of what he did in college and in preseason. More college than preseason.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:15 am
ddwight Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:12 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:09 am
But he did do something with Gannon right? They have similar tools to work with. Gannon was not a protypical QB…if you look at his history he started as a safty—then went to QB…Gannon became a QB that could run (not a RB that can throw) there would nothing to lose at this point, to try it with Pryor if someone like Gruden who is a QB coach can work him. Gruden relishes for chances like that, although it may not happen here.
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Difference is Gannon was a Veteran QB that could run Gruden’s huge playbook. He’d have to dial it way back for Pryor. Who can’t really seem to read a defense, or at least stay in the pocket enough to try.
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Have you seen Pryor given that chance yet? What do you know about his capicity to pick up Grudens offense if Gruden was here? Dont see yet where hes been given any chance yet, you?
>> pryor won’t get his chance HERE unless palmer is injured OR some crazy team takes on palmers contract. they aren’t benching palmer.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Pryor ran pretty basic plays in College. He made them look unordinary because he could break free for 40 yards, but other than that they were simple reads.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Mr.LesterHayes Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Good for you Chimdi Chekwa, it’s about time.
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Yes it’s about time, some would say it’s way too late.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Okay, he ended up with the highest rating(if you wanna put stock in that) than all the other QB’s on our team during the preseason. And last I looked, he had a highly successful college career, where his teams were ranked very high and there offense were at good if not very good.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:21 am
ddwight Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Okay, he ended up with the highest rating(if you wanna put stock in that) than all the other QB’s on our team during the preseason. And last I looked, he had a highly successful college career, where his teams were ranked very high and there offense were at good if not very good.
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Well yeah, everyone sucked in preseason. While i give him a pass for playing behind a 3rd string line, he didn’t attempt alot of passes, and only completed one great deep throw that i remember. Other than that it was his feet. And Ohio state had a successful career with him, but i’m only talking his throwing plays. Besides, no indication our coaches can tailor an offense to him like they did in Ohio
December 11th, 2012 at 8:23 am
I see no reason why Pryor couldn’t learn in progress as a QB… Other than our coaches completely sucking at their jobs.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:24 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Mr.LesterHayes Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Good for you Chimdi Chekwa, it’s about time.
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Yes it’s about time, some would say it’s way too late.
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Why did he languish on the practice squad all year when we had obvious secondary problems?
December 11th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Learn and progress.. phone
December 11th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Marks hair Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:23 am
I see no reason why Pryor couldn’t learn in progress as a QB… Other than our coaches completely sucking at their jobs.
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You just kinda answered yourself. Pryor would need an offense tailored to him.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Mr.LesterHayes Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:24 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Mr.LesterHayes Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Good for you Chimdi Chekwa, it’s about time.
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Yes it’s about time, some would say it’s way too late.
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Why did he languish on the practice squad all year when we had obvious secondary problems?
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Because Reggie was busy signing practice squad Full Backs for our non existent run game.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Well yeah, everyone sucked in preseason. While i give him a pass for playing behind a 3rd string line, he didn’t attempt alot of passes, and only completed one great deep throw that i remember. Other than that it was his feet. And Ohio state had a successful career with him, but i’m only talking his throwing plays. Besides, no indication our coaches can tailor an offense to him like they did in Ohio
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Thats my point with him working with someone like Gruden you never know…you can forget about this staff…this staff souldn’t be allowed to even coach high-schoolers…these players checked out on this staff way back in the presaeason…maybe before even Tarver was hired and when Knapp was re-hired!
December 11th, 2012 at 8:31 am
_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:09 am
But he did do something with Gannon right? They have similar tools to work with. Gannon was not a protypical QB…if you look at his history he started as a safty—then went to QB…Gannon became a QB that could run (not a RB that can throw) there would nothing to lose at this point, to try it with Pryor if someone like Gruden who is a QB coach can work him. Gruden relishes for chances like that, although it may not happen here.
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a quick correction. Gannon was never a safety. He was a QB in college at Delaware and a very good athlete and scouts thought maybe his best position in the NFL might be safety, but he came in and played QB lst at Minn and then in KC. When Elvis Grbac went down, Gannon led them to like a 6-2 record and the playoffs.
The lst playoff game the Cheats reinstated Grbac who promptly lost and Gannon was outraged and came here in free agency as soon as free agency opened following that loss. And the rest is football history. But Gruden did not develop Rich Gannon.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Also with the release of Bartell, i think the new defensive plan is to blitz 10 players and just have Matt Giordano out there yelling “Ahhhhh!!!!!” at WR’s hoping they drop the ball.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:34 am
987
Might just work!
Something has to a some point.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:31 am
_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:09 am
But he did do something with Gannon right? They have similar tools to work with. Gannon was not a protypical QB…if you look at his history he started as a safty—then went to QB…Gannon became a QB that could run (not a RB that can throw) there would nothing to lose at this point, to try it with Pryor if someone like Gruden who is a QB coach can work him. Gruden relishes for chances like that, although it may not happen here.
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a quick correction. Gannon was never a safety. He was a QB in college at Delaware and a very good athlete and scouts thought maybe his best position in the NFL might be safety, but he came in and played QB lst at Minn and then in KC. When Elvis Grbac went down, Gannon led them to like a 6-2 record and the playoffs.
The lst playoff game the Cheats reinstated Grbac who promptly lost and Gannon was outraged and came here in free agency as soon as free agency opened following that loss. And the rest is football history. But Gruden did not develop Rich Gannon.
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Okay thanks for the correction…however my other point about Gruden halping Gannons career still is what it is. Gannon was transformed into a good QB.
Not that everone can, but we going nowhere fast with this commitment to Palmer!
December 11th, 2012 at 8:50 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/week-14-power-rankings-3/
How the hell are we behind KC?
December 11th, 2012 at 8:58 am
You know, I don’t claim to understand “Business” and the hiararchy of an NFL organization but, myself and MANY fans in here were SCREAMING for them to utilze Marcel Reece in SOME capacity….Why? Cause he’s all our favorat-est player in the whole wide world….NO…
Because the “know nothing” fans could see what he was capable of doing. So they start using Reece when they had no other option…..What does he do? Tears it up.
I been SMFH at this entire staff… ALL FU*KIN YEAR
December 11th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Raiderbuck Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:50 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/week-14-power-rankings-3/
How the hell are we behind KC?
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30th, 31st, 32nd. Doesn’t matter. We stink.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:04 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C__R2dGa6qs
I still hate Saragosa to this day
December 11th, 2012 at 9:08 am
990.Raiderbuck Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:50 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/week-14-power-rankings-3/
How the hell are we behind KC?
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Because KC won more recently than us… and because PFT hates the Raiders.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:27 am
I’m trying to get an answer on Seymours voided contract. If it’s voided do we still owe him money?
December 11th, 2012 at 9:29 am
If that swan dive wasn’t with intent to injure, I don’t know what was. If Gannon is wearing a different jersey on that day, it gets a flag. In the end, though, a flag probably wouldn’t have helped all that much. Damage was done. Mission accomplished for ugly Tony and his mob of thugs.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Raiderbuck Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 9:27 am
I’m trying to get an answer on Seymours voided contract. If it’s voided do we still owe him money?
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No.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Houston
Star
Bryant
That would be a pretty decent 3-4 line..
Problem would still be no pass rush.
Thats why a trade down makes more sense..
December 11th, 2012 at 9:33 am
why? have you seen this team play? lmao…at this point we wouldnt be in the top 75 ncaa teams…
December 11th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Like I said yesterday, trade down with the Rams looks possible.
They have the Redskins pick, which would be around 14-16..
Plus STL’s 2nd rounder.. And something like a 4th this year, or a 3rd next.. Depending what pick we actually end up with.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Adams & Ross will be fine at CB..
PASS RUSH is more important.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:37 am
colorodo state would beat us right now with DA…
December 11th, 2012 at 9:37 am
DAV….. It just makes sense. I know we desperately need a premium pick but, with all the wholes we have to fill. Why not drop down into the middle of the 1st and aquire a 2nd and maybe future pick in the process. We need a PILE of picks to even START fixing this mess.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Holes…….Durrr
December 11th, 2012 at 9:39 am
theghostronin79 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 9:37 am
DAV….. It just makes sense. I know we desperately need a premium pick but, with all the wholes we have to fill. Why not drop down into the middle of the 1st and aquire a 2nd and maybe future pick in the process. We need a PILE of picks to even START fixing this mess.
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Exactly.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:42 am
If we played Western Kentucky this weekend we would probably win by 3. And we would most definitely get outcoached.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Taiwan Jones & maybe even Pryor will be used to trade up in later rounds of the draft..
Would like to see Pryor play well the last few games and be the starter though..
December 11th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Wether you agree with trading down or not, trading down is more than likely the direction Big Mac will take. He wants bodies/picks. More the merrier.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:47 am
995.Raiderbuck Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 9:27 am
I’m trying to get an answer on Seymours voided contract. If it’s voided do we still owe him money?
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No we do not pay him another cent, however, the accelleration of his signing bonus from this years restructure will cost us 5.5 mil in dead money towards next years cap.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:53 am
I just hope guys like Bryant, Shaughnessy and Houston were able to take something away from Seymour other than his Personal Fouls, which i didn’t mind so much.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:55 am
We need impact players.
I like to trade down, if we think we can still draft an impact players, but I don’t want to trade down just to trade down.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:03 am
If we are shifting to a 3-4 D, then the key is the NT, we dont have one, you need to draft a beast and his backup… If yo have a solid 3, then you can just plug in athletic LBs at 4. Pittsburgh has made a living off this, so has Balt, no matter who the LBs are if the DLs are solid the D will work.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:05 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Wether you agree with trading down or not, trading down is more than likely the direction Big Mac will take. He wants bodies/picks. More the merrier.
>> he could do that. but the defense has NO play maker,no leadership. Belichick is the master of trading down but he only did because he had leadership on both sides of the ball. raiders have zero leadership on defense. they need a QB for that defense. IMO it has to be DT star lotulei OR MLB manti from ND.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:07 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Taiwan Jones & maybe even Pryor will be used to trade up in later rounds of the draft..
Would like to see Pryor play well the last few games and be the starter though..
>. Pryor won’t play here unless palmer gets hurt or another team is foolish enough to trade for him. Pryor could end being traded to AZ or JAC
December 11th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Dennis Allen does not deserve more time,he sucks.Who cares what a punter suckin a$$ for a job next year says.Gruden,Hue would have put these players in their respected skill sets to make plays by useing what they do best.Not the other way around like DA.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:44 am
oakfshow Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Dennis Allen does not deserve more time,he sucks.Who cares what a punter suckin a$$ for a job next year says.Gruden,Hue would have put these players in their respected skill sets to make plays by useing what they do best.Not the other way around like DA.
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Great post, I second That!
December 11th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:03 am
If we are shifting to a 3-4 D, then the key is the NT, we dont have one, you need to draft a beast and his backup… If yo have a solid 3, then you can just plug in athletic LBs at 4. Pittsburgh has made a living off this, so has Balt, no matter who the LBs are if the DLs are solid the D will work.
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Star Lotuleili should be available where we’re drafting. Problem solved.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:55 am
“McClain is a moron but I can’t disagree with what he (allegedly) said about nobody respecting Allen.”
1) “Alleged”. Some other poster gave an account of what happened because he read it an “premium board”. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
2) Assume the sources on the “premium board” (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA again) are correct about the basic outline of that incident. It wouldn’t be hard to imagine a slackard of a bust of a first round draft choice who is sooooo stupid he pulled what he did with a gun last year would criticize a coach like a spoiled kid who was caught by a teacher once again misbehaving or underperforming or not performing: “Well, everyone else HATES you too, TEACHER…I’m not the ONLY ONE. NA NA NA NAAAAAAAAA.”
Come off it, people. #55 has issues and ever since he’s been here he’s been underperforming and acting weird. No matter who was coach, this was coming to a head. Had it been a name coach who called him out, he’d have still said choice things, like the kid who has no control of his mouth. He’s a loser in every way.
I admire DA for kicking him off the field. I wish Hue had benched him all season last year. We weren’t going anywhere with him or w/out him, but indulging players like that was Al Davis’ Achilles’ heel for decades because he was too full of hubris to admit mistakes.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:07 am
331:Wtf is the point of hiring offensive coaches and wide recievers coaches if they cant coach players up on how to run routes or plays the way they want them ran?
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You do know that you can put a kid in algebra, geometry or calc and he can be incapable of understanding the subject matter, no matter the excellence of the teacher, right?
You do know you can advance a kid into an honors or AP class and he can fail, right?
You do know people are limited in their talents, right?
We have some young players (D. Moore, for one) who may be excellent down the road, may be game changers. We also have some who will never progress in skill enough to be more than the occasional success (DHB)…and it’s okay to keep a guy like DHB on the team because he can stretch the field and he can occasionally come up big, but it’s not reasonable to expect him to be a consistent game-changer because he is limited in his capacity to catch balls.
Reggie is looking for football players, he said. The implication was clear: he felt Al was always (not just sometimes) looking for the next big sleeper, the guy everyone else missed, and Al used speed and size as the criteria on which he drafted. He ignored whether that players speed or size was pertinent to the game of football and he ignored the player’s football skills. IOW, Al was always under the impression that an athlete could become an NFL football player whether or not the kid had been a football player.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:24 am
“What is wrong with people today that have to post everything they are thinking privately on twitter?
“Stephen Jackson fined $25K for threats to Serge Ibaka.
“Brandon Jacobs suspended last three games for negative comments about the team.”
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The fact is that among the players who make it to the NFL you have a substantial cohort of high aggression + low impulse control + low average to low IQ individuals. Such a combo of personality traits leads to such behavior.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:28 am
“When I see players not even playing inspiring football and just going through the motions.
“Tells me they don’t respect the coaching staff and don’t give a crap.”
Just goes to show you people see different things. I don’t see players who have given up. I see players who can’t “keep up” with the opposition.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
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Lol! Is that why DHB enjoyed the best production of his career with Palmer and Hue?
Hue, whom you claimed you were in lockstep with, seemed to think Palmer was a great fit for the vertical game. Best trade in football? Giving up a 1st and 2nd? Lol! No offense, but I’ll believe Hue over you on this one. Lol
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hue miscalculated
palmer threw 16 picks in 9 games
now he has 14 picks he is better in knapps offense
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The problem I have had all year with this line of reasoning is that he threw 6 of those 16 picks in the first 10 days he was in the building. 3 in the KC disaster after the trade, down 21-0 in the 2nd half without knowledge of the offense at all. And 3 more in the first start he had against Denver the following week. Very limited knowledge. And by the way tossed 3 TD passes in that Denver game as well and gave us a 10 point lead that we promptly gave away to the tune of 300 yards rushing by Tebow and McGahee. That history cant be rewritten. It happened.
Looking at the 2 realistic winnable games for our team that we gave away last season under Palmer; the Lions game and the season ending Charger game. He performed very well. MUCH better than he has at any point this season. And we lost, forcing ZERO punts in those games.
He was very good in that system, and 2012 would have been much different under the old offensive scheme, IMO. DMC running it effectively and the recievers with less “Option” routes to screw up like they have all this year. We could at leats sustain drives last season and were always a threat to score. Even with our poor defense we weren’t going 3 and out and falling behind 21-0 like every game this season. We could compete with Palmer at QB in last year’s system. This year its just a bunch of 3 and outs until garbage time. Who cares if he technically has less INTs? I still argue that the numbers were inflated by his first 10 days in the building when he threw 6 of the 16 you are referring to. That is significant, there’s no 2 ways about it.
We could have been the same or better than last year had we just focused on fixing the defense and left the offensive system the same.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Excellent reasoning. Hue’s big mouth was his undoing. Something about absolute power corrupting absolutely.