McFadden, Seymour at practice; McClain absent
By Steve Corkran
Monday, December 10th, 2012 at 11:48 am in Oakland Raiders.
Running back Darren McFadden and defensive tackle Richard Seymour are at practice today, which bodes well for their playing against the Kansas City Chiefs.
McFadden returned last week after missing four straight games. He played against the Denver Broncos on Thursday night but he reinjured his right ankle.
As for Seymour, this is the first time he has practiced since he suffered a hamstring injury against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Nov. 4. He has missed the past five games.
McFadden is moving around well and looking like a guy that is ready to play Sunday against the Chiefs.
At one point, McFadden burst through some pads on the ground and sprinted toward the unsuspecting media contingent watching practice.
McFadden waited until he was right up on the media, screamed and grabbed beat writer Jerry McDonald around the waist as he ran through the scribes.
– Middle linebacker Rolando McClain is eligible to rejoin the team now that his two-game suspension for conduct detrimental to the team has ended and he has been reinstated to the 53-man roster.
However, he is not at practice today. The Raiders said in a press release that McClain isn’t “required” to be at practice today and that coach Dennis Allen will speak with McClain upon Allen’s return from Texas, where he is attending his father’s funeral.
– Strong safety Tyvon Branch is the only other player not at practice today. He suffered an ankle injury against the Broncos on Thursday night. He also is nursing a neck injury from the Cleveland Browns game.
– Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is running practice today once again during Allen’s absence.
Once practice ends, the media are permitted locker-room access to speak with the players. However, Knapp and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver won’t speak with the media until later this week.
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December 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Romac and DA should put on the ‘Inflateable Sumo Suits’ and have at it at half time…the winner will take on Reggie (who doesn’t NEED the Sumo suit) immediately after.
This should be ore entertaining than the game against KC…
December 10th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Say No To ROLO
December 10th, 2012 at 11:52 am
How are we going to get the running game going without Schmitt? Oh that’s right, we DON NOT HAVE A RUNNING GAME since DA and Knapp Time took over…nevermind.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Bad form to excuse Slo from practice today. Make an example of him and have him run around and sweat with the others so that he can earn his final 3 paychecks riding the pine.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:52 am
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:52 am
They can have #55 sell popcorn in the stands…Over/Under he whiffs on the shanks…
December 10th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Don’t worry about anything, Greg Knapp is running the show. It’s all good.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Thanks Charlie for sliding my cuz big Dan Conners into your ‘in the box’ draft picks!
Funny you brought him up the same day the present-day #55 is being drug through the mud on this website.. and he definitely should be!! What p!sses me off is when I wear my #55 Conners jersey to games, EVERYBODY will get it mistaken to be a McClain jersey…
What a disgrace to Big Dan and Millen…
December 10th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Ro won’t ever be back at a Raiders practice, if for some reason he does I hope MM34 hits him upside his head
December 10th, 2012 at 11:55 am
De-Activate Romac on Sunday and be sure to take his PSP2 away from him so he isn’t seen playing video games on the sideline…JaMarcus and his Skittles thinks that would be an embarassment…
Does SEC stand for Secure Enough Cash, or is it something else?
December 10th, 2012 at 11:56 am
4.guest123 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Bad form to excuse Slo from practice today. Make an example of him and have him run around and sweat with the others so that he can earn his final 3 paychecks riding the pine.
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It was common knowledge that he wasn’t going to be allowed to return to the team until he had a sit down with DA, which due to the unfortunate timing of his fathers death, had to be delayed.
Per the CBA rules, the organization HAD to reinstate 55 on the roster, but like I said, that doesn’t mean he is going to be allowed to rejoin the team.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Dennis Allen is a bum, fire this guy the day the season ends and put him and us out of the misery that is the 2012 NFL season
December 10th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Reggie is a bust.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:59 am
McClain absent? Good. The team just improved by him not being there.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:59 am
I need an f-ing laugh today… Could someone please post a link to the photo which inspired the nickname ‘tittymonkey’???
December 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Still would have been fitting to send Slo out to run laps, burn some cardio, get amped up for a game he’ll never be a part of. Also, would be interesting to see the looks and exchanges between Slo and teammates after talking about being able to go on to a “real team”. I’m sure that would have been interesting.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
reggie and DA need to go…
December 10th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Still would have been fitting to send Slo out to run laps, burn some cardio, get amped up for a game he’ll never be a part of
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They couldn’t get him amped up when he was the starter and guaranteed to play!
December 10th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
bcz24 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Still would have been fitting to send Slo out to run laps, burn some cardio, get amped up for a game he’ll never be a part of
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They couldn’t get him amped up when he was the starter and guaranteed to play!
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lol
excellent point!
December 10th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
John Marshall is partly to blame for McClain’s propensity for shooting gaps, which are often the wrong ones. He told Romac as a rookie that doing his job wasn’t good enough and that he had to go above and beyond. He is not to blame for McClain’s lack of hustle or any of his other problems, but it was him that insisted that McClain had to go for the home run every time, even when he should be hitting line drives
December 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
i think trading down might be difficult. no Luck or RGII players
December 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:59 am
McClain absent? Good. The team just improved by him not being there.
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Like they improved when they lost to Cle or Den???
December 10th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
How does Knapp still have a job?
December 10th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
yawn at the Slowlando drama. I want to see Chweka and Adams starting vs KC. Get speed-bump Giordano out of the running downs, please!
December 10th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
How does Tarver still run the worst Defense in the NFL?
December 10th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Knapp still has a job cause he cooks a mean BBQ, and tity Mac loves his ribs!
December 10th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
severeraiderz Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:59 am
McClain absent? Good. The team just improved by him not being there.
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Like they improved when they lost to Cle or Den???
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Was about to ask the same question.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
DJ
Bad deal at this time. The Bills rank 21st in yards allowed and they Guaranteed $50 million to Williams.
I do not like free agent signings with that much money involved. I would much rather invest money in a kid with the rookie cap in place.
Lines work as units. One guy typically will not make an exponential difference.
However one stellar talent along with three or four other ABOVE AVERAGE LINEMATES CAN CREATE WHAT THE RAIDERS USED TO HAVE WITH UPSHAW. What the Eagles had with Reggie White. What the Giants and Ravens have today.
What I do know is you need to have a superior Oline and Dline to win at any level of football.
I also know that you need to build the core of your team with the draft.
Free agents can be used as niche building pieces but they will rarely make a big difference on their own merit. More concerning thety are often times older which brings about the risk of injury or decilning productivity relative to salary (poor value).
The Raiders lines have been let go for too long.
Kelly, Shaugnessy, Seymour, Carlisle and Barnes can no longer compete.
That is why I have said this is a 3-5 year rebuilding effort.
We do not have a full complement of draft picks till 2014.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
I have been very patient with Carson Palmer as a fan. I was one of view people I know that thought he would be top tem statistically and up there with the best.
Well, I am done giving Carson a pass. Is he the main problem? No! He is a problem though. You can actually put three or four loses on his shoulders. I am so tired of him throwing pics in the red zone. His ints always seem to come at the wrong time. I think he is worse than Tony Romo in that regard.
I can’t say that Pryor would have won more games than Palmer, but I do think he would provide some excitement to the game.
With that said, under Hugh Jackson this would be less of a problem. Hugh was able to call plays that match the skill that we have on the team.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Radraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
i think trading down might be difficult. no Luck or RGII players
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Yeah, unless a guy tears it up at the combine, it will be difficult to get a good enough package to trade down. Our hope is that Barkley can shoot back up draft boards after a disappointing senior year, or that Te’o has a good enough workout to guarantee him as a top 5 pick
December 10th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Why is Slo even around anymore? If it’s some procedural thing with the suspension and expected release and they need to do it this way to avoid a grievance, then fine.
If they actually put this bum back on the team, consider it Exhibit Z as to how these clowns are in over their heads.
If it’s, as I saw Cork suggest on Twitter, a sign that they’re going to try to trade him then they’re dreaming. If I had to bet on it, I’d say Slo has probably played his last down of reg season NFL football. Someone will give him a look in camp. They’ll see the slow feet, lack of effort and bad attitude and let him walk. Regardless, no way is anyone going to give up a pick for this guy so they are then on the hook for like $5 mil next year.
Are you kidding?
December 10th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Via Rotworld.com
Dwayne Bowe – WR – Chiefs
Dwayne Bowe (ribs) has been ruled out for Week 15 against the Raiders.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
severeraiderz Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 11:59 am
McClain absent? Good. The team just improved by him not being there.
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Like they improved when they lost to Cle or Den???
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Was about to ask the same question.
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Knowshon Moreno must have felt like he was back at Georgia. Burris is getting worse by the week, i really hope he gets it together because he showed promise to begin the year. Might end up being another Ricky “i thought he’d be kinda good, before he wasn’t” Brown player for us and provide depth, but not good enough to start
December 10th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Burris is getting worse by the week, i really hope he gets it together because he showed promise to begin the year.
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I was worried about this early. Remember, he played damn near EVERY snap of 4 Pre-Season games. They wanted to get him the reps, but then he ended up being our opening day starter…..Rookies especially start hitting that wall late in the season but, I think it’s worse for Miles. The dude has already played 17 full games. Probably worn the FU*K OUT.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Reggie has failed! No more excuses please.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
failed like no one before in oakland…
December 10th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
I’m sure one of the typical teams might take a shot on Morondo. Jags, Panthers, Bills, etc.
I’m just glad he’s not going to be a Raider anymore.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Props to Chris Kluwe for putting “Vote Ray Guy” post-it note over the 50 year HOF 50th anniversary patch
December 10th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
McRaider5150 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
I have been very patient with Carson Palmer as a fan. I was one of view people I know that thought he would be top tem statistically and up there with the best.
Well, I am done giving Carson a pass. Is he the main problem? No! He is a problem though. You can actually put three or four loses on his shoulders.
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And how was our running game doing at the time you pin those losses on his shoulders?
December 10th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
We all know what’s really up with the team and what kinda playmakers we have on both sides of the field, no need to keep on bashing certain player or certain coach, just 3 more weeks before we get rid of under performers and bad play callers and bring in real talent
December 10th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Anybody still excusing carson is simply suffering form sever her worship.
7-16- 37 turn overs
December 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Say what you want but RUN DMC still seems happy to be in Oakland, when he jumped in the stands on thursday. Oand now messing around with Jerry. I think he wants to get out of his funk bad.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Palmer IS NOT the QB answer for this team! It’s freakin embarassing to have two QB Heisman winners on your roster and not one of them is at a level to carry a franchise! The Donko game was winnable, but with our serious lack of talent and coaching we were just a practice squad for Denver as they prepare for the playoffs! DMC needs to go elsewhere, he has quickly become a liablility with his big contract and inablility to finish a season. Notice when he runs he goes down after one hit, no desire for more yardage! Huff, Branch, Kelly also need to say adios! Today, we are an awful looking NFL team, and will be bent over by Carolina and the Bolts!
December 10th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
at least reggie signed some of these players to one year contracts. no cap hits this year.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
39.Seymour Bush Says:
And how was our running game doing at the time you pin those losses on his shoulders?
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For the most part the running game was horrible, But as the vet QB you can not throw a int in the red zone or when you are trying to drive down to score a go ahead TD. “PROTECT THE BALL” in the that situation. That is what I expect from by QB that has been in the league for 12 years.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Glad McFadden is having fun being part of a bad team making millions. Nice of Big Dick to finally show up, not that it matters at this point.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Cowboy player goes after Jerry Jones?
Sweeeeeet!
December 10th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
So McFadden should be walking around with his head down moping?..LOL Get real..
December 10th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
I am sure it will be just fine to let go of our most talented player, McFadden, due to injuries….that worked out well when we let Charles Woodson go didn’t it?
December 10th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
44.radraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
at least reggie signed some of these players to one year contracts. no cap hits this year.
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ALL of Reggie’s signings other than Brisiel were 1 year deals.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
M1st1c is still here bashing Palmer? Ok he might not be the perfect QB, but he’s far away from the only problem and less of a head scratcher than other players
December 10th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
49.Dakota Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
I am sure it will be just fine to let go of our most talented player, McFadden, due to injuries….that worked out well when we let Charles Woodson go didn’t it?
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Letting McFadden walk would be stupid, trading him for a mid-round pick would not be. McFadden will spend the rest of his career being a limited contributer and a change of pace homerun hitter essentially. I would offer him to Belichek for a 3rd round pick.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Who’s fault is it he’s making millions, and im sure he is just thrilled to be hurt all the time.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Three girls at a casino in Stockton CA, got their receipt from the waiter and it said “Fat Girls” on it…they were really mad…..but here’s the thing…..all three girls were FAT!
December 10th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Pryor
DMC
Reece
Criner
Moore
Ford
Meyers
Veldheer
Bergstrom
Wiz
Brisiel
Houston
Bryant
Bilukidi
Burris
Wheeler
Adams
Ross
Hanson
Branch
Everyone else is and most likely should be gone..
December 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
so signing failures to 1 year contracts is a good thing? well alright then…
December 10th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
M1st1c is still here bashing Palmer? Ok he might not be the perfect QB, but he’s far away from the only problem and less of a head scratcher than other players
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why is posting palmers futile numbers “bashing” palmer.
7-16 37 turn overs
He is now one turn over away from tying jamarcuss in terms of turn overs, only palmer has managed to do this in fewer games than number 2.
WOW!!!!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
so signing failures to 1 year contracts is a good thing? well alright then…
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As opposed to…what?…
Signing them to long term deals?
Thats how we got in the cap hell were in..
December 10th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
If Pryor doesn’t play this weekend, i’ll have to wait and hope he plays the following week.
lol
Please play him!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
With McFadden I think it will depend on his contract demands. If he is willing to re-sign for a reasonable contract that is incentive laden, then we should keep him based on his talent.
If he wants big guaranteed money, they we will have to let him go.
Since he is an injury prone RB, we will never get much out of the trade market, so if you can keep him for the right price, and make his contract based on games played and certain yardage marks, then why not keep him?
I would like to see him traded to a real NFL team though…..
December 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
so signing failures to 1 year contracts is a good thing? well alright then…
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In contrast to all the failures Al signed to multi-year deals, yes.. it is a good thing.
When you are scraping the bottom of the dumpster to come up with 53 ‘NFL calibur’ players… you have to expect most o what you get is trash.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Pass Rush/O Line.
Until we have those 2, dont expect much.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
49.Dakota Says:
I am sure it will be just fine to let go of our most talented player, McFadden, due to injuries….that worked out well when we let Charles Woodson go didn’t it?
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This is what I have been saying for a while now. Watch him go to another team next year, (like New England) get with a good trainer to help with the injury issues and become one of the best backs in the leaque running for 1500 yards a season.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
the staff failed to get pryor ready from early this season, and now we have only three games left and he isnt prepped to start yet?!?!
You cant evaluate pryor based ona few gimmick plays the the defense will be ready for
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Surely it’s not possible that Pryor, the best QB ever to wear Silver and Black, had anything to do with failing to get prepared. The coaches are holding him down because they are antiquated versions of the wave of the past at the QB position.
You are right that he can’t be evaluated on a few gimmick plays. He can be much better evaluated on failing to show enough in practice to earn a start, let alone ranking over Leinart.
He can however be showcased for a potential offseason trade with the right, safe set of plays in a gimmick package. I hear that the Jets might want an upgrade over Tebow in their gimmick package …
December 10th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
why is posting palmers futile numbers “bashing” palmer.
7-16 37 turn overs
He is now one turn over away from tying jamarcuss in terms of turn overs, only palmer has managed to do this in fewer games than number 2.
WOW!!!!!!
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Saying Palmer is 7-16 with 37 turnovers is not bashing him, it is stating facts.
Saying it 100 times a day, along with all the other negative things you say about him IS bashing him.
December 10th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
I hope Dmac didn’t pull something picking up Jerry.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
63.McRaider5150 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
49.Dakota Says:
I am sure it will be just fine to let go of our most talented player, McFadden, due to injuries….that worked out well when we let Charles Woodson go didn’t it?
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This is what I have been saying for a while now. Watch him go to another team next year, (like New England) get with a good trainer to help with the injury issues and become one of the best backs in the leaque running for 1500 yards a season.
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I would love to see that happen. I was happy for Randy Moss once he got out of this hell hole and displayed his talents.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
This nightmare season needs to end already!
December 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
the staff failed to get pryor ready from early this season, and now we have only three games left and he isnt prepped to start yet?!?!
You cant evaluate pryor based ona few gimmick plays the the defense will be ready for
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Surely it’s not possible that Pryor, the best QB ever to wear Silver and Black,
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didnt even read past this point
Only a fool would write something so dumb
December 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
how about not signing has beens or never beens?
December 10th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Trade Palmer, DMac, Kelly, Seymour, McClain, and DHB for whatever we can get. Start over young. Palmer isn’t the problem I agree. I also agree that if I have to watch him turn the ball over in a critical moment again I may jave a nervous breakdown. His turnovers have directly cost us at least 3 games. #freeterellepryor
December 10th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
bcz24 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
why is posting palmers futile numbers “bashing” palmer.
7-16 37 turn overs
He is now one turn over away from tying jamarcuss in terms of turn overs, only palmer has managed to do this in fewer games than number 2.
WOW!!!!!!
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Saying Palmer is 7-16 with 37 turnovers is not bashing him, it is stating facts.
Saying it 100 times a day, along with all the other negative things you say about him IS bashing him.
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When he does something positive I have said so.
The truth has not been positive, nor have the results.
deal with it.
If it is fair to criticize romac, or huff, or any other player than the same applies to your hero as well.
That isnt bashing it is fair and honest
December 10th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Kirk Cousins, the wave of the future at QB. He can’t be stopped either running or throwing!
Or maybe it’s just that the Redskins are running an offense that the NFL hasn’t seen enough of yet to properly scheme against. Just like how the WCO and the run and shoot were unstoppable when they first came out and only a single team was running them. Over time, others started to incorporate parts and pieces in this copycat league and defenses became more adept at solving them. A few pieces of each survived into more modern schemes and defenses continue to have specific means to combat them. Then every now and then someone comes up with a new wrinkle that is well executed and it looks unstoppable — until the DCs get enough film and figure out it’s weakness.
The true test of the Redskins system will be next season, not this one. And then we’ll see if RGIII is as great as he looks now (and Cousins for that matter) or if the system is playing a bigger part than the accolade tossers want to admit.
PS — System plays a big part in other QB’s successes as well. See Rodgers-Flynn and Brady-Cassells for all the proof one needs.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Surely it’s not possible that Pryor, the best QB ever to wear Silver and Black,
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didnt even read past this point
Only a fool would write something so dumb
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And only the myopic fail to see comments dripping with sarcasm when slow pitched to them. But I do appreciate the feedback on a post that wasn’t even read worthy.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
There was some idiot on this blog a few weeks ago tyring to “hate” on hue saying how 8-8 wasnt really 8-8?
Huh? You know how freaking hard it is to win in this league. Go as Andy Reid how hard it is to win in this league.. go ask DA how hard it is to win.
Hue had us at 8-8 till the final week of the season. Thats how entertaining a season it was the last few weeks of the season last yr. Starting RB, QB all went down, The owner, NO GM, NO help DMOORE/ FORD missed alot of time during the playoff push.
Still got 8-8
I’d get rid of DA/KNAPP before of McClain.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Also, if you’re last in the NFL in rush/pass ratio, maybe put in the QB with the wheels and get a few extra “rushes” out of his scrambling ability. Not to mention a few extra 3rd down conversions.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Bruce Arians for OC!!!!!
December 10th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
so signing failures to 1 year contracts is a good thing? well alright then
Well no its just better than being stuck with long term like in the past much easier to reload.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
When you draft a running QB, you just have to understand that you are getting a QB who will have a short shelf-life, and unless you can convert that QB to a pocket passer, he will probably be done by age 32, or sooner.
That is why you pick a QB like Luck over a QB like RGIII every day of the week.
Randall Cunningham had some effectiveness late in his career staying in the pocket for the Viqueens. I can’t think of any others.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
M1st1c is still here bashing Palmer? Ok he might not be the perfect QB, but he’s far away from the only problem and less of a head scratcher than other players
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why is posting palmers futile numbers “bashing” palmer.
7-16 37 turn overs
He is now one turn over away from tying jamarcuss in terms of turn overs, only palmer has managed to do this in fewer games than number 2.
WOW!!!!!!
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Jamarcus threw 680 passes in his career. CP has thrown 861 since hes been here. CP’s pretty good. Not great, but definitely not terrible. Im not so much a huge CP supporter, but comparing his stats to Russells without showing the full story is not really a very objective argument.
On the flip, you can post CP’s 2012 #’s, 60.8 completion pct, 3805 yards, 22 TD’s to 14 INT’s, 85.3 QB rating, all with zero run game. When you look at it like that, then it looks like he’s having a pretty good season, even though that’s not really the case.
I think Palmer can play. Id actually hate to see what this team would look like if we had some of the lesser talented QB’s that other teams have. Id like to see what Pryor could do too. I hope he actually does turn into the next great Raiders QB, but if he doesnt, so be it. I will say this, I think its been good for Pryor to have CP to sit behind. God knows there could be far worse examples of how to handle your business for TP than Carson Palmer.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Dakota Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
When you draft a running QB, you just have to understand that you are getting a QB who will have a short shelf-life, and unless you can convert that QB to a pocket passer, he will probably be done by age 32, or sooner.
That is why you pick a QB like Luck over a QB like RGIII every day of the week.
Randall Cunningham had some effectiveness late in his career staying in the pocket for the Viqueens. I can’t think of any others.
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that is an opinion that isnt based on any evidence what so ever.
Troy aikman had his career cut short from taking hits, was he a running qb?
How many years did elway play? Elway played for a very long time and he was a runner.
The qb takes most of his hits INSIDE THE POCKET, running qb or not.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
As much as McClain has been horrible for the raiders .. the Raiders have been horrible for him too.
Drafting a MLB high and putting him a system that he is not use to. The high coaching turnovers on the defense. Lack of a True NT upfront he is use to playing with in 3-4
Maybe mckenzie want to hold on to a 23 yr old Butkus award winner and see what he can get out of him instead of letting him be cut and going to another team that will use him right. Maybe he wants McClain to come back and face his teamates after all that crap he talked about this team??
either way I’d get rid of DA/KNAPP before McClain
December 10th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
It’s really impossible to call Palmer a winner with that record but he is definitely not fully culpable of how the team performs.
Moving forward, at 33, is he up to renegotiating his contract in order to hang around until this team develops into a playoff team? The likelihood of having to get accustomed to another O.C (would be his 3rd in 3 years) could also play a big part in his or the organazations decision?
I have my doubts and it’s another reason why I think he should be traded. How old is Palmer going to be when we reach the playoffs? 43 Get the draft picks if possible and BUILD.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
We could win with Carson Palmer…..we just have to have a decent D that can 1) man up once in a while when Palmer throws ill-timed picks, and 2) not let us fall behind so fast that our offense becomes one-dimentional.
We also need improved o-line protection and a legit running game.
I hoped all of those things were going to happen this year…..instead this coaching staff made us worse in all areas of play.
I don’t see us getting that corrected if DA and co remain, so we should trade Palmer if we can….
There is no hope.
Play Pryor to see what we have, and maybe fool a team into trading some picks for him….then start over at the QB spot next year.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
M1st1c is still here bashing Palmer? Ok he might not be the perfect QB, but he’s far away from the only problem and less of a head scratcher than other players
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why is posting palmers futile numbers “bashing” palmer.
7-16 37 turn overs
He is now one turn over away from tying jamarcuss in terms of turn overs, only palmer has managed to do this in fewer games than number 2.
WOW!!!!!!
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Jamarcus threw 680 passes in his career. CP has thrown 861 since hes been here. CP’s pretty good. Not great, but definitely not terrible. Im not so much a huge CP supporter, but comparing his stats to Russells without showing the full story is not really a very objective argument.
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i disagree
the results are the same, losing.
palemrs turn overs cant be seperated from the losses anymore than jamrcuss’s could.
besides carsons actual numbers from this year are as follows
3 wins 22td 19 turn overs
not very good, average at best
December 10th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
AFTERNOON CORK! -RAIDERNATION
C’MON MAN I hope we can blog together and show REGGIE and MARK we want a new CODE OF RESPECT for the Team! Such actions show weakness to our pride.
Were is the “COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE ” that AL left us?
C’MON MAN!
December 10th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
either way I’d get rid of DA/KNAPP before McClain
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Maybe they were all scheduled to ride the same bus out of town together, but ROMAC sped up the process with is antics at practice and forced Reggie’s hand.
Yeah, I know, it was DA’s choice……But I’m sure Reggie told him “You betta do somethin bout that.”
December 10th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
81.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Dakota Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
When you draft a running QB, you just have to understand that you are getting a QB who will have a short shelf-life, and unless you can convert that QB to a pocket passer, he will probably be done by age 32, or sooner.
That is why you pick a QB like Luck over a QB like RGIII every day of the week.
Randall Cunningham had some effectiveness late in his career staying in the pocket for the Viqueens. I can’t think of any others.
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that is an opinion that isnt based on any evidence what so ever.
Troy aikman had his career cut short from taking hits, was he a running qb?
How many years did elway play? Elway played for a very long time and he was a runner.
The qb takes most of his hits INSIDE THE POCKET, running qb or not.
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Elway never ran like what these guys are doing today. Steve Young maybe? He was more of a past first and then run if you have to QB.
Cunningham is the only one I can think of that played into his thirties after starting out with that style. I don’t recall McNabb running around near as much as the RGIII & Cam Newton types.
Name some if you can.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
on offence we need OC,Center,LT move jv to right side,and WR. Defense, just about every spot can be improved on. Also a real pr/kr. its going to take more than 1 more draft. we need to look at Prior now,Palmers not the answer by the time we get other pieces in place.If priors not up to it we’ll need a QB too.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Baltimore…..a good team…..was willing to fire their OC near the end of a season…..but the Raiders are to stubborn to fire Knapp early on and maybe save the season?
Too bad.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Dakota Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Baltimore…..a good team…..was willing to fire their OC near the end of a season…..but the Raiders are to stubborn to fire Knapp early on and maybe save the season?
Too bad.
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Changing the OC in no way shape or form would have saved this season.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
And I love how every sportswriter on twitter tyring to Rub Stevie brown getting away from the raiders like its some big deal. Trying to rub it in.
Guess what? The panthers/ Colts had him after the raiders did. Stevie is being helped huge by the talent around him and those elite pass rushers.
Look at San Diego.. they traded or let walk DREW BREES, DARREN SPROLES, V JACKSKON, MICHAEL THE BURNER TURNER etc. haarrrible
December 10th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Matt Giordano.
Sigh.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
AT this point the raiders should be playing every single young guy.
Can get it get any freaking worse? put every young guy from the practice squad on the team too. Activate them all.
Start pryor. Pryor actually might fckk around and win an actual BALL GAME. This staff is so weak
December 10th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Would rather have Curtis Taylor the last few games..
December 10th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
92.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
And I love how every sportswriter on twitter tyring to Rub Stevie brown getting away from the raiders like its some big deal. Trying to rub it in.
Guess what? The panthers/ Colts had him after the raiders did. Stevie is being helped huge by the talent around him and those elite pass rushers.
Look at San Diego.. they traded or let walk DREW BREES, DARREN SPROLES, V JACKSKON, MICHAEL THE BURNER TURNER etc. haarrrible
+++++++++++++++++
AJ Smith’s ego destroyed that team…..thanks AJ!
December 10th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
…..but the Raiders are to stubborn to fire Knapp early on and maybe save the season?
Too bad.
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I don’t know WTF they’re thinking with this one. There’s no Saving NOTHING at this point. Should be 100% evaluation mode. I mean, Knapp has been getting heavy machine gun fire and he’s been pinned down all year (Deservedly so), so I ask WHAT good would it do to fire him Now? 3 games left. Giving him the ax might have been a good idea if we still had a shot at sneaking IN….But we’re DONE. Fire him now or in 3 weeks, it doesn’t matter a damn bit. Baltimore is still battling for their division, and came off 2 disappointing losses and their offense has been sputtering and doing just enough to win some of their games. Am I making any sense? I dunno SH*T by the way.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
and while were at it. The broncos let Josh Mcadaniels destroy that team too before manning and all them Remember we tore em up 59 points on em.
Josh got rid of Jay Cutler (pro bowl) Brandon Marshall (Pro bowl player) Got rid of Peyton hillis who was still good back then and getting payed league mininmum. Got rid of a good TE in tony scheffler.
Traded back up in the first round to get TEBOW.. traded a future 1st round pick to draft Cornerback Alphonso smith.. now that was bad LOL.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Forget #97………I can’t read.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
theghostronin79,
Yes, firing Knapp is pointless now…..the damage is done….but if he is not fired within 1 day after our last game of the season, then Reggie and DA are both dumbfkers.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Dakota Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
theghostronin79,
Yes, firing Knapp is pointless now…..the damage is done….but if he is not fired within 1 day after our last game of the season, then Reggie and DA are both dumbfkers.
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Oh I agree……Definately
December 10th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Hope this team show their Fans some respect and show
Reggie and Mark that the “BROWN BAGS” are going to continue
There’s no room for Clowns like this!
CORK I honestly ask you to really, really get tougher with your questions next time you have an interview with REGGIE and MARK and let them know , that we Fans are not willing to put
Up with lack of CONDUCT and a “NEW RAIDER CODE” will apply in writting next year. We see weakness and hope they get rid of
Mc Clain!
December 10th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Norv Turner for OC or die.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Dakota Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
81.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Dakota Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
When you draft a running QB, you just have to understand that you are getting a QB who will have a short shelf-life, and unless you can convert that QB to a pocket passer, he will probably be done by age 32, or sooner.
That is why you pick a QB like Luck over a QB like RGIII every day of the week.
Randall Cunningham had some effectiveness late in his career staying in the pocket for the Viqueens. I can’t think of any others.
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that is an opinion that isnt based on any evidence what so ever.
Troy aikman had his career cut short from taking hits, was he a running qb?
How many years did elway play? Elway played for a very long time and he was a runner.
The qb takes most of his hits INSIDE THE POCKET, running qb or not.
++++++++++++++++++++++
Elway never ran like what these guys are doing today. Steve Young maybe? He was more of a past first and then run if you have to QB.
Cunningham is the only one I can think of that played into his thirties after starting out with that style. I don’t recall McNabb running around near as much as the RGIII & Cam Newton types.
Name some if you can.
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rgIII and newton are BEING ASKED TO RUN, that doesnt mean it thier preference to do so or they are any less of a so called “pass first’ qb as you ut it.
Young and elway were not asked to run like rgIII and newton BECAUSE THEY DIDNT HAVE THAT KIND OF ABILITY.
In fact newton criticized his oc early this year for failing to d emphasize zone read qb runs from the shotgun.
No dakota. RgIII and Newton Are just as good from the pocket as any other qb, and thier one of a kind athletic gifts make them that much more dangerous. just because a guy can run doesnt mean he is a ‘run first qb’ This is popular code language used to disparage thier throwing ability.
Mcnabb wasnt asked to do it, cunnigham wasnt asked to do it either, although both clearly could have. they came at a time where teams where drafting qbs and forcing them to fit into an offense, now the opposite is true. The nfl was late to realize this was the best way to develop a qb and an offense.
using qb option plays in the nfl is a new thing, predicated on the other worldly talent that these guys bring to the table.
Back to your original point though, most qb hits happen in the pocket.
Thiesman aikman montana young, all had thier careers cut short from taking hits in the pocket.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Here is a Holidy post from a couple of years ago: I MISS YOU AL!!!!!! Well, not really…..
On the twelfth day of Christmas,
Al Davis sent to me
Twelve draft picks busting,
Eleven lawsuits pending,
Ten Losses a-leaping,
Nine sycophants dancing,
Eight wide-receivers dropping,
Seven linebackers whiffing,
Six DBs burning,
Five injured o-line-men!
Four offensive coordinators,
Three leases broken,
Two cities jilted,
And a coach that is very an-gry!
December 10th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Mistic1,
Once again, name some run oriented QBs who lasted into their mid to late 30s…..I can name tons of pocket passers who survived that late into their careers.
Sorry, Elway was not a run orientated QB.
My point is when you ask these QBs to do this, or allow them to, you have to understand that they are going to have short careers.
Not even debatable.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
3-13
KAN THE KLOWNE COACHE KADRE!
December 10th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
OOPS !!
3-13
KAN THE KLOWNE KOACHE KADRE!
December 10th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
FRAN TARKINGTON! There, I did your job for you Mistic!
December 10th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Dakota Says:
Once again, name some run oriented QBs who lasted into their mid to late 30s
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Bret Fahv-ruh
December 10th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I could see the Rams as a trade down partner..
They have an extra 1st..
Maybe they want to jump and get someone..
So we would get the Redskins 1st pick & the Rams 2nd rounder.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Watching the Patriots on Sunday…
Brady had all day to throw….a nice perfectly formed pocket, he could have set up a chair and a sofa and sat down.
God we s uck.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
111.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I could see the Rams as a trade down partner..
They have an extra 1st..
Maybe they want to jump and get someone..
So we would get the Redskins 1st pick & the Rams 2nd rounder.
+++++++++++++
Can they throw Howie’s son into the deal?
December 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Dakota Says:
Once again, name some run oriented QBs who lasted into their mid to late 30s
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That guy coaching across the Bay also comes to mind.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I could see the Rams as a trade down partner..
They have an extra 1st..
Maybe they want to jump and get someone..
So we would get the Redskins 1st pick & the Rams 2nd rounder.
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Afternoon Fellas,
If we end up with a top 3 pick and Reggie decides to trade down, I’d hope that he could get more than that.
If that’s the best deal available, I’d stand pat.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Dakota Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
theghostronin79,
Yes, firing Knapp is pointless now…..the damage is done….but if he is not fired within 1 day after our last game of the season, then Reggie and DA are both dumbfkers.
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The only reason I dont think firing Knapp is pointless is because we do actually have some young players that we need to get some work out of before the season ends, just so we can see what we have on our hands. I do NOT want Knapp to be the one calling plays for anyone, ruining any of our young players future development. Would much rather just have Al Saunders calling plays for the last 3. I know its not going to happen, but still, playing any more games with Knapp just seems more pointless to me than not.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Ok…no doubt we want 3-13
and we definitely want that number 1 pick…
trade it for a nice package…
trade down to maybe 15…pick up our missing 2nd rnder and next year’s 1 from the trade partner…
id do that in a second
also dump dmac (thanks K-NAPP!)… for a 2nd…or a 1st next yr (prefer the latter)….
this way we have a SHOT with some talent in 2013 and really stockpile for 2014…
speaking of 2014…all these “2014 apologists” need to go home…
HELLO!
Indy 2-14—-> 10 wins+ this yr?
same shat for SF last year.
the league s FULL of these 1 yr tunarounds.
why not oak? DONT dont give
the KLOWNE KOACHE KADRE a built in excuse for 2013!
the KADRE should go now let alone getting another FREE PASS IN 2013….
NO KLOWNE EXCUSES!
December 10th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
When Jerry was in camp why didn’t he ask both of the players this QUESTION ¿ Why now you guys are so tough, is it, because the heat is on? We have and old saying, were there’s Smoke there’s fire! See they already try tried the water with their toes!
Hate to see hipos!
Let them know Fans are Fedup with them!
December 10th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Tis the Season to stockpile Draft Picks and Cap room.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Can they throw Howie’s son into the deal?
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He’s got another son entering the draft in the form of a Mauling O-Lineman. He’s a little raw but, fundamentally he’s got the goods, and strong as hell. Choking guys until the whistle.
December 10th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
McRaider5150 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
I have been very patient with Carson Palmer as a fan. I was one of view people I know that thought he would be top tem statistically and up there with the best.
Well, I am done giving Carson a pass. Is he the main problem? No! He is a problem though. You can actually put three or four loses on his shoulders. I am so tired of him throwing pics in the red zone. His ints always seem to come at the wrong time. I think he is worse than Tony Romo in that regard.
I can’t say that Pryor would have won more games than Palmer, but I do think he would provide some excitement to the game.
With that said, under Hugh Jackson this would be less of a problem. Hugh was able to call plays that match the skill that we have on the team.
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Sounds good on paper doesn’t it? Giving Pryor the nod for a full game. How do you think he would have faired behind our useless OL? A QB with zero NFL experience. We’d have lost a lot more games. No NFL QB can produce behind a poor OL. Our OL is not poor. It is the worst in over 40 years for the Oakland Raiders. Lamonica, Stabler, Plunkett and Gannon would have struggled behind this OL of ours.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Having them waive Bartell and elevate Checkwa makes me think they really ARE in evaluation mode. Maybe we’ll see Pryor yet.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Can they throw Howie’s son into the deal?
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He’s got another son entering the draft in the form of a Mauling O-Lineman. He’s a little raw but, fundamentally he’s got the goods, and strong as hell. Choking guys until the whistle.
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Walter Football has him going to the Raidahs in the 3rd rnd.
For whatever that’s worth…lol
December 10th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I could see the Rams as a trade down partner..
They have an extra 1st..
Maybe they want to jump and get someone..
So we would get the Redskins 1st pick & the Rams 2nd rounder.
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Afternoon Fellas,
If we end up with a top 3 pick and Reggie decides to trade down, I’d hope that he could get more than that.
If that’s the best deal available, I’d stand pat.
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Well it can be for more, but the meat & taters are the 1st & 2nd Rounder.. This is a weaker draft class so, that will be a factor.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Can they throw Howie’s son into the deal?
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He’s got another son entering the draft in the form of a Mauling O-Lineman. He’s a little raw but, fundamentally he’s got the goods, and strong as hell. Choking guys until the whistle.
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Kyle Long, I have him as a target for our 3rd round pick. Right Tackle..
December 10th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
114.RaidingTexas Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Dakota Says:
Once again, name some run oriented QBs who lasted into their mid to late 30s
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That guy coaching across the Bay also comes to mind.
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I thought you were joking about Favre…..he obviously was not a run orientated QB…..Jim Harbaugh? That’s pushing it….
December 10th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Can they throw Howie’s son into the deal?
=========
He’s got another son entering the draft in the form of a Mauling O-Lineman. He’s a little raw but, fundamentally he’s got the goods, and strong as hell. Choking guys until the whistle.
————————————–
Walter Football has him going to the Raidahs in the 3rd rnd.
For whatever that’s worth…lol
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Well I’ll be damned……LOL
December 10th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Via Rotworld.com
Dwayne Bowe – WR – Chiefs
Dwayne Bowe (ribs) has been ruled out for Week 15 against the Raiders.
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“Thanks, Ribs.”
-Chappelle’s Show
December 10th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Yeah DAV… I’ve been watching him play. He’s impressive and improved leaps and bounds every time he got on the field.
Barnes Vs. Miller just made me sick……SICK.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
However you can get another LONG do it. KYLE LONG would be nice in the silver in black.
Maybe he can teach bergstrom how to play
December 10th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Via Rotworld.com
Dwayne Bowe – WR – Chiefs
Dwayne Bowe (ribs) has been ruled out for Week 15 against the Raiders.
================
“Thanks, Ribs.”
-Chappelle’s Show
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LMMFAO
December 10th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
123.RaiderLen Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Can they throw Howie’s son into the deal?
=========
He’s got another son entering the draft in the form of a Mauling O-Lineman. He’s a little raw but, fundamentally he’s got the goods, and strong as hell. Choking guys until the whistle.
————————————–
Walter Football has him going to the Raidahs in the 3rd rnd.
For whatever that’s worth…lol
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Always good to have a long in the locker-room!
http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/howielongnaked.png
December 10th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Favre & Harbaugh were definately scramblers..
Farve wore a freaking CB’s facemask for crying out loud.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Raider (since1967)
★★★★★★★
We are your Fans give us your best or GET OUT HERE!
There’s a 53 man roster right?
Well I will Dump 30 players and stay with 23 ,
Easy 53-30 = 23 players.
How about you DUDES?
How many will you Dump? Poll
POLL? Show REGGIE AND MARK — Cork? You in.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Dakota Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
114.RaidingTexas Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Dakota Says:
Once again, name some run oriented QBs who lasted into their mid to late 30s
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Bert Jones? He played for the old Colts and later the Rams. Not too shabby a QB.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
LondonAl Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Dakota Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
114.RaidingTexas Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Dakota Says:
Once again, name some run oriented QBs who lasted into their mid to late 30s
=====================
Bert Jones? He played for the old Colts and later the Rams. Not too shabby a QB.
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“Run Run” Jones had mad moves on the field well into His 60’s
December 10th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
LondonAl Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Dakota Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
114.RaidingTexas Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Dakota Says:
Once again, name some run oriented QBs who lasted into their mid to late 30s
=====================
Bert Jones? He played for the old Colts and later the Rams. Not too shabby a QB.
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“Run Run” Jones had mad moves on the field well into His 60’s
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I seem to recall we beat Jones and the Colts in Baltimore in the mid’ 70’s in a playoff game. He had a good game but Snake and Casper were too good for him that day. Ah happy days!
December 10th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
133.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Favre & Harbaugh were definately scramblers..
Farve wore a freaking CB’s facemask for crying out loud.
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Lol….top season for Favre is 216 yards rushing….Cunningham had 500+ yards rushing in like 6 straight years and almost 1000 in one year.
Vick had 900 and over 1000 yard rushing seasons.
Tarkenton actually didn’t rush that much….so I take him back…..much more than Favre though.
Scrambling QBs who can move in the pocket are not the type of QBs I am talking about.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
When is PRYOR going to put his Sox on? I meant Helmet!
Let get us a few Defensive coaches from teams like.
Ravens Giants Packers Pittsburgh Atlanta Dolphins.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Dakota, yea thats why I said scramblers and not runners..
Although I think Young was more of a runner..
December 10th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Dakota Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Mistic1,
Once again, name some run oriented QBs
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what is a run oriented qb?
do you mean bobby douglass or tim tebow?
from where i sit mcnair, cunnigham, mcnabb, culpepper, brooks, and so on have all been more than capabale pocket passers that were simply misused in offenses that failed to capitalize on their ability at one time or another.
Just because a qb Can run, doesnt mean he is run oriented.
This is code language, give it a rest
December 10th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
” CAN’T WAIT TILL MAY OF NEXT YEAR ” 2013
There’s so much S#it now dudes.
Just can’t wait!
December 10th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
I think where you are struggling Dakota, is acceptance of the fact that the so called scrambling qb has now been one upped by the wave of the future.
You now have guys that can out run the defense for 70 yards or more, and they are every bit as good passing as they are running.
Elway young montant staubach tarkenton, very good scramblers but not on the same level as a kappy, pryor, rgIII or newton in that regard.
Its a whole new ball game and qb will never be the same
December 10th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
AND LONDON A I AGREE…
Palmer NOT the main reason we are here. however when u are havin a garage sale you throw in EVERYTHING u dont plan to use that has value.
Pick up another 2nd this year for him to some team who is 90% there with a decent running game and good OL. he is a top 10 qb in THAT setup on THAT team.
not here.
time to see if TP6 is hot garbage, a star or somewhere in between.
eitehr way, he needs to get out tehre.
no better game than this one .
home
vs kc
10 days to get him ready
will the KLOWNE KOACHE KADRE do this?
OF COURSE NOT!
prediction…since they feel the heat (recent tough guy talk, etc)…they DO get him in on a few (2) wild cap plays and post game (loss) they try to tout this as..see we are seeing what we have’ etc etc zzzzzzzz
NO ..we want him in all game…along with other youngsters (incl TJ, Checkwa, Ausberry and any other rook/young un’ we need to see b4 the season ends)…
December 10th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
This is code language, give it a rest
142.omoran Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
” CAN’T WAIT TILL MAY OF NEXT YEAR ” 2013
There’s so much S#it now dudes.
Just can’t wait!
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We’ll see man. Full shake-up…….”Show me the money”
That’s all I gotta say. Gotta show it to me.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Bobby Douglas was a run oriented QB.
Check out his completion percentage. LOL
Then You’ll understand why He was.
Quack Quack
December 10th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
According to the draft chart at drafttek.com, the 4th pick is worth 1800 points.
Dropping down nine spots should net a first, second and third from the other team.
The problem is of course that few teams would give up that much unless it is for a francise QB. Unfortunately their are none in this years draft. Typical Raider luck.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Raiders let a coach go today?
December 10th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Run Run was popular with the ladies.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Twocents Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
According to the draft chart at drafttek.com, the 4th pick is worth 1800 points.
Dropping down nine spots should net a first, second and third from the other team.
The problem is of course that few teams would give up that much unless it is for a francise QB. Unfortunately their are none in this years draft. Typical Raider luck.
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Doesnt mean that you cant make those points up with other picks, in other years..
The combine will ALWAYS produce some guys who teams will go gaga over..
December 10th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
HAAAAAA
December 10th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Bring back Al LaCosalle like quick now.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Elway broke 300 yards rushing only one year….
Newton has 1300 yards rushing in less than 2 seasons.
GRIII 748 yards rushing this year.
McNabb did have a 600 yard season in his early days, and some 400 yard seasons…..and didn’t last much past 32. Same story with McNair.
Those guys didn’t run near as much as Newton and RGIII and they were not good into their mid to late 30s.
There is now way Newton and RGII will be effective QBs past 32 years old.
just part of the decision making process for teams when they have to choose between a good pocket passer and a good “new wave” QB.
These guys are getting the beating of a QB and a backup running back at the same time.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Not Palmer’s fault. If we had an effective OL and receivers not injured, we would be on a Palmer roll. He’s played good with what he’s been given. Add in Knapp and I feel sorry for Carson.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Dakota Says:
I thought you were joking about Favre…..he obviously was not a run orientated QB…..Jim Harbaugh? That’s pushing it….
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So how are you defining run-oriented? I’m not sure what your criteria is. You said Fran Tarkenton, but Jim Harbaugh averaged more rushing yards per game played in than Fran.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
DAV, agreed, but we are not in a position to stockpile picks for the future. We need help now.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Run Run was popular with the ladies.
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Nice.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Not Palmer’s fault. If we had an effective OL and receivers not injured, we would be on a Palmer roll. He’s played good with what he’s been given. Add in Knapp and I feel sorry for Carson.
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Palmer woulda been a whole lot better with HueJax as his HC and Saunders as the OC. That is a factual footnote in Raider history.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
155.RaidingTexas Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Dakota Says:
I thought you were joking about Favre…..he obviously was not a run orientated QB…..Jim Harbaugh? That’s pushing it….
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So how are you defining run-oriented? I’m not sure what your criteria is. You said Fran Tarkenton, but Jim Harbaugh averaged more rushing yards per game played in than Fran.
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See #138.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Twocents Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
DAV, agreed, but we are not in a position to stockpile picks for the future. We need help now.
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That thinking is what has so many fans angry..
This is and was never a 1-2 year thing.
So I promise Reggie will take all the picks in any year he can get..
December 10th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Run Run was popular with the ladies.
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Nice.
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The dude was at a lot of Raiderette charity events decked out real slick. Knew what he was doin.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
What coach got let go by the Raiders???
December 10th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Twocents Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
DAV, agreed, but we are not in a position to stockpile picks for the future. We need help now.
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We need lots of picks and cap space.
Future picks are generally the following year, and those future picks are a round higher than they would be in the given draft year.
A 2013 2nd rnd pick would equate to a 2014 1st, as a general rule.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Dakota Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Elway broke 300 yards rushing only one year….
Newton has 1300 yards rushing in less than 2 seasons.
GRIII 748 yards rushing this year.
McNabb did have a 600 yard season in his early days, and some 400 yard seasons…..and didn’t last much past 32. Same story with McNair.
Those guys didn’t run near as much as Newton and RGIII and they were not good into their mid to late 30s.
There is now way Newton and RGII will be effective QBs past 32 years old.
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why didn’t elway run for as many yards as newton and rgIII /
1. he wasnt put in an offense that required qb runs called rom the side line until late i his career, when shanahn instituted the boot leg system
2. he didnt have the wheels like newton or griffin, and this is the main reason.
3. elway won superbowls in his mid/late 30’s and was far better at the end of his career.
the fact the newton and griffin are simply head and shoulders above elway in terms of athletic ability in no way means they are less accomplished pocket passers.
Dakota, break out of your out dated thinking and labeling mechanisms.
You do realize the rushing totals fpr a qb count both scrambles and designed runs right?
Most of newtons and griffins biggest runs are on scrambles, not the called runs.
They have better run totals BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER RUNNERS.
They are just as good from the pocket, you dont have to accept it.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
throwing picks in 9 straight games isnt palmer fault??!?!?!
December 10th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Maybe Denver will give us a pick since they feel sorry for us. And if the league wants the so called parity so bad, throw us an extra pick too. The ‘You Suck So Bad Compensation Pick’.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
These guys are getting the beating of a QB and a backup running back at the same time.
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Griffin’s knee yesterday?……..OUCH
December 10th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Dakota Says:
See #138.
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OK, so the population of quarterbacks is …. wait for it ….. ONE. Randall Cunningham. That’s not much of a sample to draw conclusions from.
But anyway, he played until he was 38.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
In 10 years we will know the answer…..maybe even sooner with Cam Newton.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
We can all acknowledge that Palmer has thrown picks at the worst times but overlooked are the drops that have us going three and out all to often.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
For the record people that complain about hue being fired, should understand, that hue could not have saved palmer.
palmer is actually playing much much better football in knapps offens then he did in hu jack/ suanders system.
he threw a ton of picks last year and has at least cut those down.
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
December 10th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
168.RaidingTexas Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Dakota Says:
See #138.
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OK, so the population of quarterbacks is …. wait for it ….. ONE. Randall Cunningham. That’s not much of a sample to draw conclusions from.
But anyway, he played until he was 38.
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I pointed you to that post to show that I took back my Tarkenton comment. He was not a running QB.
And I have pointed to Cunningham as one of the few run orientated QBs to make a career into his mid to late 30s….which is my point, these QBs are not going to last much past 32 years old. They are being asked to take the beating of a QB and of a backup RB.
If they can adapt and become great pocket passing QBs then maybe they will have a chance to have long careers.
Only time will tell.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
well if greg ran practice, i wonder if the defensive players wanted to take a knapp as well…..zzzz,zzzz,zzzz,zzzzz,zzzzz the intensity must have been overwhelming to say the least.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Palmers int’s all occurred on windy days.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
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Lol! Is that why DHB enjoyed the best production of his career with Palmer and Hue?
December 10th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Why are we even reinstating SloMo? Activate someone else. Great cut since we all have seen Adams coverage. Hopefully we get to see TP6 this week.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Does anyone really believe the players haven’t checked out? Do they really believe in their coaches anymore? I don’t even think they care if Mark fights for their job or not. And this will continue for years.
December 10th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I think a good portion of the team has checked out.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
All the Hue lovers only remember the highlights, and there were a few.
However, I remember Palmer standing outside the huddle, shoulders sagging, waiting patiently for a play from the sideline…as all of the momentum they had been building wasted away…
It wasn’t Palmer’s fault that neither he nor Campbell nor Gradkowski could score offensive touchdowns in the 4th quarter.
December 10th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
What happen to all the Reggie lovers that thought we were going to the playoffs after we beat the chiefs,hardly hear a word from Raiderduck and lefty whoever Reggie pick was perfect now what.as for tonedeezy I wish we could play a 4th quarter that meant something.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
yeah raiderquack is gone, mctroll gave up…
December 10th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Elway never ran like what these guys are doing today. Steve Young maybe? He was more of a past first and then run if you have to QB.
Cunningham is the only one I can think of that played into his thirties after starting out with that style. I don’t recall McNabb running around near as much as the RGIII & Cam Newton types.
Name some if you can.
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Steve McNair was a running QB from the time he became a starter in 1996 until about 2002, at which point he was constantly injured. In 2003 he essentially stopped running. Interestingly he had his best QB rating by far that season adn threw for a career high 24 TDs despite only playing 14 games. He continued playing until he was 34.
December 10th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
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Yeah, Palmer was really known for sucking in the vertical offense when he was throwing bomb after bomb after bomb to Ocho, er, Chad Johnson. Johnson had 4 of his best 5 pro seasons with Palmer airing it out to him. He averaged about 15 yards per catch during that stretch.
He had a huge dropoff the season that Palmer wasn’t the QB (after his playoff knee injury) until the last 4 games. His average dropped all the way down into the 10’s of yards per catch. The next season with Palmer full time, right back to 14s.
December 10th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
St. Louis Rams 2010= 7-9 2011= 2-14 2012=6-6-1
Oakland Raiders 2010=8-8 2011=8-8 2012= 3-10
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If Rams can turn it around so can we.
“But they have Bradford to build around”
Bradford’s highest QB rating is 83.8..and it’s THIS YR.
Palmer’s is 85.3 even with all the drops.
Rams got rid of 24 players who are not even in the league anymore.
Rams picked up Cortland Finnegan, Scott Wells and Kendall Langford (at DT/DE). NOT a major free agent splurge but significant.
Their draft was SOLID with 4 immediate impact players.
A good GM can get it done.
“But they have Fisher as HC”.
If DA is that far below Fisher in ability and is that much of a liability than he shouldn’t even be here.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:17 am
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