Raiders live chat here today at noon
By Jon Becker
Tuesday, December 11th, 2012 at 10:03 am in Oakland Raiders.
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December 11th, 2012 at 10:03 am
If we are shifting to a 3-4 D, then the key is the NT, we dont have one, you need to draft a beast and his backup… If yo have a solid 3, then you can just plug in athletic LBs at 4. Pittsburgh has made a living off this, so has Balt, no matter who the LBs are if the DLs are solid the D will work.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:04 am
December 11th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Star Lotulelei should be our #1 pick. NT or DT, the next Suh.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Smh at these live chats
December 11th, 2012 at 10:14 am
SloLando has does himself no favours in the three years since he was drafted and paid a huge amount of money to play pro’ football for the Raiders but does anyone here think he would have been a much better LB in a 3-4 defense?
December 11th, 2012 at 10:15 am
JB Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Star Lotulelei should be our #1 pick. NT or DT, the next Suh.
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The first Suh wasnt that good.
And Star is not comparable to him at all..
Id like to get Star, but we need more than that so a trade down makes more sense..
December 11th, 2012 at 10:16 am
A trade down to accumulate picks ’seems’ like the best course of action, BUT you have to actually find someone who wants your top 3 pick first. What player in this draft justifies paying the bounty of picks it will cost to move into a top 3 spot?
December 11th, 2012 at 10:19 am
bcz24 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:16 am
A trade down to accumulate picks ’seems’ like the best course of action, BUT you have to actually find someone who wants your top 3 pick first. What player in this draft justifies paying the bounty of picks it will cost to move into a top 3 spot?
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Every year the combine produces players that teams go nuts for..Teams fall in love with players every year..
A team like the Rams who have multiple picks could fall in love with someone easy…
December 11th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Id draft Star with our first pick. Whichever team gets him will have a day one starter, and instant impact player in the middle of their D-line. Sure, you can trade down and stack a few lesser players, but Id much rather take Star to shore up the middle of the D for the next decade, and then build the players around him. If we don’t, someone else will, and that team is going to have a serious player on their hands for a while. This isnt your run of the mill, fat 2down DT. I look at Star as actually being a better prospect than Suh was, and I see the potential to use him the same way BAL uses Haloti Ngata. Drafting a player of this caliber would INSTANTLY improve our defense.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Draft Star and sign Cliff Avril this upcoming off season.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:28 am
I like Star, I agree..
But with the holes we have on D, it makes more sense to acquire as many picks as possible..
McClain was also a prospect you could just plug in and bam.. instant starter…
December 11th, 2012 at 10:29 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Draft Star and sign Cliff Avril this upcoming off season.
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Star is a 3-4 NT, Avril is a 4-3 DE..
Unless DA thinks he can turn Avril into Von Miller, it doesnt fit…
December 11th, 2012 at 10:33 am
The big question is can Wheeler play ILB in a 3-4..
If not he may not be on the team next season..
December 11th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Draft Star and sign Anthony Spencer. =)
December 11th, 2012 at 10:37 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:28 am
I like Star, I agree..
But with the holes we have on D, it makes more sense to acquire as many picks as possible..
McClain was also a prospect you could just plug in and bam.. instant starter…
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I like the idea of trading down for picks if there are at least 2 guys that you can get that will make up for what youre losing by passing up on a top 5 impact player. If we were to trade down, which players would you want to see the team target that would still be available, in say the 10-32 range, and maybe an additional 2nd and 3rd that we acquire?
I agree that the right trade and right picks could turn things around, but I just dont feel all that confident in Reggie’s ability to make those great picks. Since he is actually the GM of my team, I hope that Im wrong, but he just doesnt give me much confidence right now. So thats why I think it would be in our best interest to pick Star and let him be the anchor of the defense going forward.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:38 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:33 am
The big question is can Wheeler play ILB in a 3-4..
If not he may not be on the team next season..
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If Wheeler has to leave I’ll be very upset. He has played good hard football this season. I don;t see him going though. He is one of Reggie’s guys afterall.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:39 am
We’ll see what happens at the combine..
Star could drop..
But I have no reason to think Reggie is not capable of building thru the draft.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:41 am
LondonAl Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:38 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:33 am
The big question is can Wheeler play ILB in a 3-4..
If not he may not be on the team next season..
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If Wheeler has to leave I’ll be very upset. He has played good hard football this season. I don;t see him going though. He is one of Reggie’s guys afterall.
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Yea, but the question isnt if he is one of Reggie’s guys or how good he has been… Its does he fit..
If he cant play 3-4 along with 4-3, then Idk if he is on the team next season.. Especially with a big contract..
December 11th, 2012 at 10:44 am
it’s really all about value as opposed to obsessing over some guy that you watched on tv a couple of times.
we have so many holes that we should be focusing on
getting on base rather than swinging for the fence.
for every von miller there are multiple slolandos, dorseys, suhs, and aaron currys.
we need more burris and wheelers and marcel reeces than any more “can’t miss” douchebags.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:47 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:41 am
LondonAl Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:38 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:33 am
The big question is can Wheeler play ILB in a 3-4..
If not he may not be on the team next season..
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If Wheeler has to leave I’ll be very upset. He has played good hard football this season. I don;t see him going though. He is one of Reggie’s guys afterall.
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Yea, but the question isnt if he is one of Reggie’s guys or how good he has been… Its does he fit..
If he cant play 3-4 along with 4-3, then Idk if he is on the team next season.. Especially with a big contract..
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I actually believe Wheeler would be awesome as on of the ILB in a 3-4.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:49 am
for every von miller there are multiple slolandos, dorseys, suhs, and aaron currys.
we need more burris and wheelers and marcel reeces than any more “can’t miss” douchebags.
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YUP
December 11th, 2012 at 10:49 am
After Darrell Russells was drafted our Run D improved from
1997-30th
1998-15th
1999-12th
2000-5th
I know it’s under a 4-3 defense but it’s important to draft a great DT.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:51 am
1015.oakfshow Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Dennis Allen does not deserve more time,he sucks.Who cares what a punter suckin a$$ for a job next year says.Gruden,Hue would have put these players in their respected skill sets to make plays by useing what they do best.Not the other way around like DA.
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Yeah. That is my main problem with DA. Along with him hiring bad assistant coaches.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:03 am
If we are shifting to a 3-4 D, then the key is the NT, we dont have one, you need to draft a beast and his backup… If yo have a solid 3, then you can just plug in athletic LBs at 4. Pittsburgh has made a living off this, so has Balt, no matter who the LBs are if the DLs are solid the D will work.
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Star Lotuleili should be available where we’re drafting. Problem solved.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:54 am
EVERYONE will be available where were drafting.. Looks like were gettin that #1 spot..
December 11th, 2012 at 10:57 am
So thanks Hue Jackson for the greatest trade ever…
#17 overall & #33 overall pick for Carson Palmer.
OBVIOUSLY.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Whos going to Rickys after the KC game to watch the Niners?…Likely a superbowl preview,..if Im real drunk and if KC beats us it may just be enough for me to tell Rickys old lady shes a disgusting pig,..and then make her eat Rickys 2 bit toupee.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:02 am
1- DE D Moore
3- CB Leon McFadden
4- RB Michael Dyer
Trade down:
1- CB Xavier Rhodes
2- OT Long or LB Ogletree if he was available
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- RB Michael Dyer
December 11th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Just shut the Hell up O.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Raider O Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:02 am
1- DE D Moore
3- CB Leon McFadden
4- RB Michael Dyer
Trade down:
1- CB Xavier Rhodes
2- OT Long or LB Ogletree if he was available
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- RB Michael Dyer
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Dont see them drafting a CB or RB that high at all.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:06 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:41 am
LondonAl Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:38 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:33 am
The big question is can Wheeler play ILB in a 3-4..
If not he may not be on the team next season..
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Wheeler was ilb with colts in tampa2,i think this was his first season olb
December 11th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Adams & Ross are here to stay. Huff will go back to FS.
SS Branch
FS Huff
CB Adams
CB Ross
NB Hanson
Thats your secondary, and it can be a good one with a good pash rush.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:07 am
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Moose Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:06 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:41 am
LondonAl Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:38 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:33 am
The big question is can Wheeler play ILB in a 3-4..
If not he may not be on the team next season..
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Wheeler was ilb with colts in tampa2,i think this was his first season olb
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Cover 2 & 3-4 ILB are like Apples & Oranges, no comparison.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Adams & Ross are our starting CBs next season?!
God…. I hope not.
We will draft a CB. Print that!
December 11th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Raider O Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Adams & Ross are our starting CBs next season?!
God…. I hope not.
We will draft a CB. Print that!
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Yea we might, but it wont be in the 1st round. Probably not in the first 3 rounds…
December 11th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Interested in seeing what Adams does from here on out. I’m rooting for the kid.
Just don’t return punts!
December 11th, 2012 at 11:17 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Interested in seeing what Adams does from here on out. I’m rooting for the kid.
Just don’t return punts!
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Future doesn’t look good for Phil, last time one of our corners made a diving interception, he got cut the following week
December 11th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Adams & Ross are here to stay. Huff will go back to FS.
SS Branch
FS Huff
CB Adams
CB Ross
NB Hanson
Thats your secondary, and it can be a good one with a good pash rush.
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I’m not disagreeing. I think Adams is really trying to show something. But good? I dunno man.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:18 am
We have so many needs, so we can’t fix all our problems in one draft.
Needs:
C (move Wiz back to LG)
RG
RT
RB
DE
DT/ NT
LB
CB
December 11th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Adams has allowed like 2 catches & 6 yards the last 2 games.. With 2 INTs..
But no, Reggie just doesnt see talent..
December 11th, 2012 at 11:18 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:51 am
1015.oakfshow Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Dennis Allen does not deserve more time,he sucks.Who cares what a punter suckin a$$ for a job next year says.Gruden,Hue would have put these players in their respected skill sets to make plays by useing what they do best.Not the other way around like DA.
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Yeah. That is my main problem with DA. Along with him hiring bad assistant coaches.
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Couldnt have said it better!!!
December 11th, 2012 at 11:18 am
It was a diving int as well??? Damn it, he’ll be cut! lol
December 11th, 2012 at 11:18 am
theghostronin79 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Adams & Ross are here to stay. Huff will go back to FS.
SS Branch
FS Huff
CB Adams
CB Ross
NB Hanson
Thats your secondary, and it can be a good one with a good pash rush.
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I’m not disagreeing. I think Adams is really trying to show something. But good? I dunno man.
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Good Pass rush will yield a good secondary. Every time.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Oakland Raiders: Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah
Is there any doubt the Raiders need help at defensive tackle in the wake of Doug Martin’s near-record performance?
Richard Seymour’s contract will be voided at the end of the season. Meanwhile, Tommy Kelly is a bum who doesn’t care about winning, as evidenced when he laughed after prolonging a San Diego drive with a pair of offside penalties. He’s played so sluggishly this year and was especially bad versus Tampa, so there’s no chance he’s going to see a penny of his $6.5 million salary in 2013. He’s as good as gone, and 15-year-old head coach Dennis Allen lost all respect in the locker room for not cutting him after the opener.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:20 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Adams has allowed like 2 catches & 6 yards the last 2 games.. With 2 INTs..
But no, Reggie just doesnt see talent..
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He made a great play on a bad throw by Manning, but he got burned pretty badly
December 11th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Raider O Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:18 am
We have so many needs, so we can’t fix all our problems in one draft.
Needs:
C (move Wiz back to LG)
RG
RT
RB
DE
DT/ NT
LB
CB
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RB is not a need.
Brisiel isnt going anywhere, so scratch RG off.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:22 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:20 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Adams has allowed like 2 catches & 6 yards the last 2 games.. With 2 INTs..
But no, Reggie just doesnt see talent..
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He made a great play on a bad throw by Manning, but he got burned pretty badly
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Spin it how you will.
On a defense needing playmakers, he’s made 2 great plays in consecutive weeks.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:23 am
And if you’re in the area to pick off the ball, id say you werent burned that bad.
The ball wasnt thrown that bad.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Spin it how you will.
On a defense needing playmakers, he’s made 2 great plays in consecutive weeks.
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Joselio Hanson had a run like that a few weeks ago. Don’t read too much into it is all i’m saying.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:25 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:23 am
And if you’re in the area to pick off the ball, id say you werent burned that bad.
The ball wasnt thrown that bad.
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It was a badly underthrown. But sure, he at least recovered and didn’t just flail his arms at it like Giordano
December 11th, 2012 at 11:28 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Spin it how you will.
On a defense needing playmakers, he’s made 2 great plays in consecutive weeks.
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Joselio Hanson had a run like that a few weeks ago. Don’t read too much into it is all i’m saying.
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True, although Hanson has proven to be a solid NB during his career, so thats no surprise..
December 11th, 2012 at 11:29 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Adams & Ross are here to stay. Huff will go back to FS.
SS Branch
FS Huff
CB Adams
CB Ross
NB Hanson
Thats your secondary, and it can be a good one with a good pash rush.
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Agreed. I expect them to do very little work in the secondary over the offseason, but I think if you watch what happens to mm34, it’ll be telling. I really expect Reggie to look for a big impact FS. I think next season they’ll want to use Huff in a multiple roll, with three safety’s on the field, he’ll either be the slot corner, or the 3 deep safety.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:30 am
As much as Palmer has dropped backed and passed the ball, some credit has to be given to our OL. We are ranked 13th in total sacks given up, which is not bad under the circumstance.
Draft defense, defense, defense!
December 11th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Dropped back*
December 11th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Adams & Ross were brought in and kept around for a reason, were seeing why now…
All im saying is we dont have much $ to spend this off-season..
With CB not being that desperate of a need, a high pick or big FA isnt possible and makes little sense..
IF you cant see that, I guess were done talking..
December 11th, 2012 at 11:33 am
We can cut Brisiel, Goodson is a FA next year, and DMC has an option year (I think he will leave).
December 11th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Pass Rush, Pass Rush, Pass Rush.
Kyle Long in the 3rd, theres your RT.
Veldheer
Bergstrom
Wiz
Brisiel
Long
Wiz is really starting to come on as a C.. No need to move him with Berg just getting drafted..
December 11th, 2012 at 11:34 am
DMC DOES NOT HAVE AN OPTION YEAR.
PLEASE stop spreading this false rumor.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
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Lol! Is that why DHB enjoyed the best production of his career with Palmer and Hue?
Hue, whom you claimed you were in lockstep with, seemed to think Palmer was a great fit for the vertical game. Best trade in football? Giving up a 1st and 2nd? Lol! No offense, but I’ll believe Hue over you on this one. Lol
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hue miscalculated
palmer threw 16 picks in 9 games
now he has 14 picks he is better in knapps offense
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The problem I have had all year with this line of reasoning is that he threw 6 of those 16 picks in the first 10 days he was in the building. 3 in the KC disaster after the trade, down 21-0 in the 2nd half without knowledge of the offense at all. And 3 more in the first start he had against Denver the following week. Very limited knowledge. And by the way tossed 3 TD passes in that Denver game as well and gave us a 10 point lead that we promptly gave away to the tune of 300 yards rushing by Tebow and McGahee. That history cant be rewritten. It happened.
Looking at the 2 realistic winnable games for our team that we gave away last season under Palmer; the Lions game and the season ending Charger game. He performed very well. MUCH better than he has at any point this season. And we lost, forcing ZERO punts in those games.
He was very good in that system, and 2012 would have been much different under the old offensive scheme, IMO. DMC running it effectively and the recievers with less “Option” routes to screw up like they have all this year. We could at leats sustain drives last season and were always a threat to score. Even with our poor defense we weren’t going 3 and out and falling behind 21-0 like every game this season. We could compete with Palmer at QB in last year’s system. This year its just a bunch of 3 and outs until garbage time. Who cares if he technically has less INTs? I still argue that the numbers were inflated by his first 10 days in the building when he threw 6 of the 16 you are referring to. That is significant, there’s no 2 ways about it.
We could have been the same or better than last year had we just focused on fixing the defense and left the offensive system the same.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:37 am
1 year into a 5 year 20 million dollar contract, im guessing isnt very cuttable.
Brisiel will be our RG.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Raider O Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:33 am
We can cut Brisiel, Goodson is a FA next year, and DMC has an option year (I think he will leave).
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The option is McFadden’s. Which i don’t think he will do unless Knapp stays. But he’s coming off another injured, down year. His FA market won’t be good enough to leave the Raiders money on the table.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Isn’t Long a guard at Oregon?How often do guards get moved to tackle in the NFL?
December 11th, 2012 at 11:39 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:34 am
DMC DOES NOT HAVE AN OPTION YEAR.
PLEASE stop spreading this false rumor.
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I remember reading that it’s a players option
December 11th, 2012 at 11:39 am
lefty12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Isn’t Long a guard at Oregon?How often do guards get moved to tackle in the NFL?
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He’s a tackle.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:40 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:37 am
1 year into a 5 year 20 million dollar contract, im guessing isnt very cuttable.
Brisiel will be our RG.
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http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/mike-brisiel/
Actually, he’s very cuttable. The only guaranteed money looks to be a signing bonus which provides a $700K cap hit for each of the next four seasons.
Reggie can (and should) dump him.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:40 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:39 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:34 am
DMC DOES NOT HAVE AN OPTION YEAR.
PLEASE stop spreading this false rumor.
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I remember reading that it’s a players option
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You must have read it on here, because thats simply false.
He is under contract, without an option from player or team, for 2013.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Before the season started, those of us who knew that we wouldn’t be a good football-team saw the hadnwriting on the wall when they brought Knapp back,and he decided to go to ZBS. Old proud Raiders like Steve Wiesniewski knew we were gonna be bad. (Common Sense)Why would you re-hire an OC that had playcalling taken away from him when he failed the 1st time here. Wiesniewski didn’t want to experience this tragedy thats happened, he knew this thats why he quit.
Now for all of these people that want to keep DA here, (and if he stays)this stuff aint gonna get any better, the players checked out along time ago…when these laughable coordinators input offensive-and-defensive schemes that were junk.
Its not just the players, because the players also have to believe what you sellin.
I predicted 4 wins when I heard Knapp was re-hired…now I dont even think that will happen either.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:41 am
57.Raider O Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:33 am
We can cut Brisiel, Goodson is a FA next year, and DMC has an option year (I think he will leave).
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An ‘option year’ in a contract is not a players option, it is a club option.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:42 am
#50…exactly…
December 11th, 2012 at 11:42 am
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/mike-brisiel/
Actually, he’s very cuttable. The only guaranteed money looks to be a signing bonus which provides a $700K cap hit for each of the next four seasons.
Reggie can (and should) dump him.
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We can only hope so. Problem is any replacement likley won’t be much better
December 11th, 2012 at 11:42 am
61.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:37 am
1 year into a 5 year 20 million dollar contract, im guessing isnt very cuttable.
Brisiel will be our RG.
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You are thinking under Al Davis contract terms. It will only cost us about 2.5 mill to cut Brisiel. He wasn’t given a giant bonus.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:43 am
RaiderDuck Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:40 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:37 am
1 year into a 5 year 20 million dollar contract, im guessing isnt very cuttable.
Brisiel will be our RG.
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http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/mike-brisiel/
Actually, he’s very cuttable. The only guaranteed money looks to be a signing bonus which provides a $700K cap hit for each of the next four seasons.
Reggie can (and should) dump him.
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I cant click those links right now, but if so, yea he is cuttable then.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Actually, he’s very cuttable. The only guaranteed money looks to be a signing bonus which provides a $700K cap hit for each of the next four seasons.
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If cut, the bonus that is spread over the life of the contract accelerates to the current salary cap.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:44 am
bcz24 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:42 am
61.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:37 am
1 year into a 5 year 20 million dollar contract, im guessing isnt very cuttable.
Brisiel will be our RG.
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You are thinking under Al Davis contract terms. It will only cost us about 2.5 mill to cut Brisiel. He wasn’t given a giant bonus.
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Oh ok.
Still, there has to be a clear upgrade available..
If he has a small cap hit as it is, doesnt make much sense to cut him if we can use the money somewhere else..
December 11th, 2012 at 11:45 am
POST-68,WHAT U SAY IS TRUE.BUT DO U REALLY WANT PLAYERS THAT “CHECK OUT” / QUIT ?
December 11th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Continuity is key.
The OLine is starting to mesh.
RT is the only real hole.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Trade down:
1- CB Xavier Rhodes
2- OT Long
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
OL:
Veldheer
Wiz
Rookie/ FA
26 yo rookie
Long
DL:
RDE: B Jenkins
DT: Houston
DT: Bryant/ NT
LDE: Shaughnessy
CBs:
Rhodes and Adams/ FA/ or another rookie
December 11th, 2012 at 11:46 am
I don’t know why some of you guys think that we our good at Corner… that’s one of our most pressing needs. If we go into next season with the trash we have back there right now, we. are. screwed.
We need to cut Huff altogether. Mitchell and Branch are our safeties. Adams can be a good back up corner but if we don’t get two good corners in there pronto, next season is over before it even starts.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:46 am
There is no such thing as a quality free agent olineman. These guys are like gold in the NFL. EVERYONE needs more good lineman. That said, I still think Brisiel gets cut, although, we COULD trade him back to Houston (he was successful there, they have NOT been successful running to the right) even if it is just for a 7th rounder.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:48 am
DMC
Reece
Stewart
Goodson
Olawale
We dont NEED a RB.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:49 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Continuity is key.
The OLine is starting to mesh.
RT is the only real hole.
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What right tackle? I didn’t even know we had one.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:49 am
What about not trading down, Drafting an LT in the top 5 and moving Veldheer to RT?
December 11th, 2012 at 11:50 am
raiderjhawk Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:46 am
I don’t know why some of you guys think that we our good at Corner… that’s one of our most pressing needs. If we go into next season with the trash we have back there right now, we. are. screwed.
We need to cut Huff altogether. Mitchell and Branch are our safeties. Adams can be a good back up corner but if we don’t get two good corners in there pronto, next season is over before it even starts.
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Show me a good secondary, ill show you a good pash rush.
Doesnt matter how good your CBs are, if the QB has all day to throw he will shred you.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:50 am
57.Raider O Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:33 am
We can cut Brisiel, Goodson is a FA next year, and DMC has an option year (I think he will leave).
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An ‘option year’ in a contract is not a players option, it is a club option.
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Bcz,
I thought it was an option year, but now I’m not sure. I also thought the option was DMC’s. I know players can excersise an option to terminate their last year (depends on the contract).
December 11th, 2012 at 11:50 am
I don’t know why some of you guys think that we our good at Corner… that’s one of our most pressing needs. If we go into next season with the trash we have back there right now, we. are. screwed.
We need to cut Huff altogether. Mitchell and Branch are our safeties. Adams can be a good back up corner but if we don’t get two good corners in there pronto, next season is over before it even starts.
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1. Mike Mitchell is NOT a better defender than Mike Huff. At least 3 different defensive staffs have not thought so.
2. There is no way to address every need in 1 draft. The backend (secondary) can be serviceable if we can generate a pass rush.
3. If you expect Reggie to fix everything over 1 offseason, YOU are setting yourself up to be disappointed. I would say if we are competing for a division title in 2014 that Reggie is ahead of schedule.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:50 am
raiderjhawk Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:49 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Continuity is key.
The OLine is starting to mesh.
RT is the only real hole.
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What right tackle? I didn’t even know we had one.
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He’s the one always picking up Carson Palmer and apologizing
December 11th, 2012 at 11:51 am
As much as Palmer has dropped back and passed the ball, some credit has to be given to our OL. We are ranked 13th in total sacks given up, which is not bad under the circumstance.
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All we need to do is fix the running game and our offense could be vastly improved. Defense would also benefit by our offense sustaining long drives.
We are ranked 25th in T.O.P
December 11th, 2012 at 11:51 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:49 am
What about not trading down, Drafting an LT in the top 5 and moving Veldheer to RT?
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Not with the ZBS.
ZBS is designed to not need to draft OL high or sign big contract ones..
December 11th, 2012 at 11:51 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:48 am
DMC
Reece
Stewart
Goodson
Olawale
We dont NEED a RB.
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McFadden should be the number one player on the trade block. He would have some value, and every other back here has out performed him. Let him be someone else’s problem.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:51 am
DAV-I thought I saw him at G in the OSU-O game,my bad.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:52 am
#76
Dude all im saying is that, you gotta understand. In sports on any level, if you don’t believe in the coaching, any player will check out…this aint gonna get better if DA is kept here, his choices for assistant coaches make that evident…besides words already out that he really doesn’t care if he comes back or not, and admitted he’s over his head, but DA’s one of the main reasons things are like they are!
December 11th, 2012 at 11:52 am
There isnt much of a market for RBs.
So keeping DMC makes more sense.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:53 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:51 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:49 am
What about not trading down, Drafting an LT in the top 5 and moving Veldheer to RT?
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Not with the ZBS.
ZBS is designed to not need to draft OL high or sign big contract ones..
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So can the ZBS, it hasn’t done anyone any good. Not the RB’s or Linemen
December 11th, 2012 at 11:53 am
quick peek at a solid solution (for you Reggie)
Coaches:
HC- DA is a good coaching mind has a great reputation and respect from all that have dealt w/ him, and he is going to be a good HC (Gruden isn’t coming…would be exciting if he was!)end of the day, stay with your young HC…(keep your eye on David Shaw, he is good and a part Of the nation)
OC- its obvious Knapp has to go, anyone else would be better, Cam Cameron, Norv Turner, Jason Garrett,Hal Hunter etc.
DC- I like Tarver, he is also a young coach, that I see being good, our defensive woes come from a lac of tackling/talent, guys were in position just missed tackles/pics…keep him and upgrade support staff and players.
ST- a mess, blow it up, rebuild lower half of roster(usually special teams)
QB- keep Palmer(unless cardinals/jets will give up a 1st rd pick)have to wait and see how/if pryor plays the rest of this season in order to make a decision on him…fire Leinert, bring in more competition.
RB- keep Reece, Goodson, Stewart, try to trade DMC for 1st,or 2nd/4th,or 3rd/4th/6th, he is too expensive, too injury prone, and there are too many late round picks that produce at a high level (Alfred Morris= 6th rd, Stevan Ridley= 3rd rd,Green-elis= UDFA etc..)look for late rd draftee or a value FA
TE- keep Myers, Ausbury, Gordon, develop Ausbury, he is a beast.
WR- keep Moore, Streater, Criner, Ford, and either restructure DHB or cut him, look to add 1 thru late draft/FA
OL- keep Veldheer, Bergstrom, Wiz, Briesel, consider Parsons, and Barnes for depth, but we need to bring in 1-2 starting caliber OL to round out starting five and push everyone (mid round draft/FA)seriously consider going back to man-up, hat on hat blocking scheme, hopefully new OC changes that.
DL- keep Houston, Bryant, Bilukidi, Crawford,shaughnessy, need to upgrade 1/DE and 1/DT, really like an early draft pick (star lotuelu maybe or I like FA Henry Melton (chi) a lot
LB- keep Burris, Wheeler, try to get something for slolando, otherwise cut him, need to bring in 3-4 LB’s to compete (early to mid draft, possible Manti te’o and a FA pickup or 2)
DB- keep Adams(has shown up lately-and will prolly continue in next 3, he is still young and developing), Chekwha(thought he never got a fair chance),Huff(proven to be valuable as he can play FS/CB) Branch, Mitchell (he is starting to play well and has been our best tackler in the back field)need to add a FS, and 2-3 CB’s to start or push group
there you go reggie, your off-season plan for xmas, now you can relax.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:53 am
26th in 3rd down conversions
No help for our D.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:53 am
lefty12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:51 am
DAV-I thought I saw him at G in the OSU-O game,my bad.
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Its all good man
December 11th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
vertical passing offense would have been a disaster for palmer
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Lol! Is that why DHB enjoyed the best production of his career with Palmer and Hue?
Hue, whom you claimed you were in lockstep with, seemed to think Palmer was a great fit for the vertical game. Best trade in football? Giving up a 1st and 2nd? Lol! No offense, but I’ll believe Hue over you on this one. Lol
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hue miscalculated
palmer threw 16 picks in 9 games
now he has 14 picks he is better in knapps offense
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The problem I have had all year with this line of reasoning is that he threw 6 of those 16 picks in the first 10 days he was in the building. 3 in the KC disaster after the trade, down 21-0 in the 2nd half without knowledge of the offense at all. And 3 more in the first start he had against Denver the following week. Very limited knowledge. And by the way tossed 3 TD passes in that Denver game as well and gave us a 10 point lead that we promptly gave away to the tune of 300 yards rushing by Tebow and McGahee. That history cant be rewritten. It happened.
Looking at the 2 realistic winnable games for our team that we gave away last season under Palmer; the Lions game and the season ending Charger game. He performed very well. MUCH better than he has at any point this season. And we lost, forcing ZERO punts in those games.
He was very good in that system, and 2012 would have been much different under the old offensive scheme, IMO. DMC running it effectively and the recievers with less “Option” routes to screw up like they have all this year. We could at leats sustain drives last season and were always a threat to score. Even with our poor defense we weren’t going 3 and out and falling behind 21-0 like every game this season. We could compete with Palmer at QB in last year’s system. This year its just a bunch of 3 and outs until garbage time. Who cares if he technically has less INTs? I still argue that the numbers were inflated by his first 10 days in the building when he threw 6 of the 16 you are referring to. That is significant, there’s no 2 ways about it.
We could have been the same or better than last year had we just focused on fixing the defense and left the offensive system the same.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:55 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:53 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:51 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:49 am
What about not trading down, Drafting an LT in the top 5 and moving Veldheer to RT?
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Not with the ZBS.
ZBS is designed to not need to draft OL high or sign big contract ones..
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So can the ZBS, it hasn’t done anyone any good. Not the RB’s or Linemen
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The Oline has been pretty solid the last couple weeks.. They seem to be meshing.. RT is the need still.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Who here thought that Jason Tarver was a good sign as DC, when they 1st heard about it?
What did he accomplish at Stanford defensively?
Was Stanford known for there Defensive prowess?
December 11th, 2012 at 11:56 am
If he wasn’t so bad at taking angles this year and blowing covereages, i’ve always thought Branch should be our FS. He’s got the speed and tackling ability to be a last line of defense
December 11th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Not with the ZBS.
ZBS is designed to not need to draft OL high or sign big contract ones..
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Any scrub will do?
December 11th, 2012 at 11:57 am
ddwight Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Who here thought that Jason Tarver was a good sign as DC, when they 1st heard about it?
What did he accomplish at Stanford defensively?
Was Stanford known for there Defensive prowess?
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You do realize Tarver wasnt Allen’s first choice right..
Or 2nd..
December 11th, 2012 at 11:58 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:56 am
If he wasn’t so bad at taking angles this year and blowing covereages, i’ve always thought Branch should be our FS. He’s got the speed and tackling ability to be a last line of defense
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Its the schemes man!!! Tarver like Knapp has not put these players in position to do nothing but fail!
Coaching is a major reason we SUCK!!!
December 11th, 2012 at 11:58 am
ddwight Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Who here thought that Jason Tarver was a good sign as DC, when they 1st heard about it?
What did he accomplish at Stanford defensively?
Was Stanford known for there Defensive prowess?
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I think people were so fixated on the Krapp rehire that Tarver went under the radar for criticism. But to be fair, we all thought he’d be better than Chuck B
December 11th, 2012 at 11:59 am
I am watching the 4th qrtr of the TNF game vs Denver when this blowhard know it all Mike Mayock makes one of the dumbest comments he could make. He shows a graphic of our high 1st rnd picks Gallery and all the others and says NONE should’ve been picked in the 1st 15 picks ………NONE mind you and before he gets it out of his mouth DHB catches a hitch and go for a TD. Shuts that dumbell right up.
I have said this many times about Mayock he runs his mouth as if he knows everything but he rarely ever shows a graphic pointing out all his misses. Calling Brady Quinn the most NFL ready QB and that he will be in the top 3 QB’s in the league after 3 years in the league. His constant praises of Boston College athletes incidently Matt Ryan isn’t nearly as good as he said he would be. For anyone in their right mind to say Gallery should not have been picked in the top 5 is flat out crazy at the time Gallery was rated as the safest pick in that draft.
You can get a 5 year old to pick players after the fact. But to say DMC shouldn’t have been picked in the top 15 is simple freakin ignorant. He should be banned from covering games to say something that damn foolish. When DMC came out he was highly rated by every scout with a brain. I was the only one saying the Raiders shouldn’t take him that high and that was only because we already had Mike Bush or I would’ve been on board 100%. Mike Mayock is a damn fool………period
December 11th, 2012 at 11:59 am
bcz24 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:50 am
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Mike Mitchell is ten times the ball player then Huff is. You have a right to your opinion but I don’t know what games you have been watching… Huff is overated, he can’t cover or tackle and generally looks lost on every play. I think Mitchell has gotten better every year, Huff has gotten worse and absolutely got butt raped by Manning last week.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
#103 Then why hire this guy if thats the case? There were better candidates out there. Not someone with NCAA experience, common!
December 11th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
I miss Marshall. He had a decent defense. He knew the best way to keep Huff, Branch and Gio from getting burned was by blitzing them.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:57 am
You do realize Tarver wasnt Allen’s first choice right..
Or 2nd..
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Oh really, can you provide a link?
December 11th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
You do realize Tarver wasnt Allen’s first choice right..
Or 2nd..
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Do you recall who where the guys he wanted?
December 11th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Not with the ZBS.
ZBS is designed to not need to draft OL high or sign big contract ones..
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Any scrub will do?
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The Texans Oline is filled with 3rd rounders.. Their Pro Bowl Center was a 6th..
December 11th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
No coach gets all their 1st choices it just doesn’t happen but that should never make you settle for someone you are not absolutely sure can do that job because ultimately YOU are responsible.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Dan78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
You do realize Tarver wasnt Allen’s first choice right..
Or 2nd..
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Do you recall who where the guys he wanted?
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Richard Smith, Joe DeCamillis.. off the top of my head..
December 11th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
#105 Chuck B’s terrible, but I thought we might as well had stayed with him than try College Football caliber…this whole experimnet has been a fiasco that Reggie will have to address properly-immediately after season(dont be surprised if they arent already reaching out to Gruden), and that means that once again he will have to clean house with the coaching starting with the Head one.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Bill Johnson also…
December 11th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
do they all wear visors?
December 11th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Joe Whitt..
December 11th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
So like I said, Allen had to scrape the barrell for coordinators.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
#119 No excuses.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
if only seymour wouldve punched instead of ben…
December 11th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Very disappointed with Palmer’s play against the Donkos! Do you think he is the QB answer for this team? Do we need to part with McFadden too?
December 11th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
ddwight Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
#119 No excuses.
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LOL.
Those are facts man, not excuses.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
DaRaiders022 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Very disappointed with Palmer’s play against the Donkos! Do you think he is the QB answer for this team? Do we need to part with McFadden too?
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No and No.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
do they all wear visors?
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Not sure, but im sure they dont get pedicures..
December 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
raiderjhawk Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:59 am
bcz24 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:50 am
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Mike Mitchell is ten times the ball player then Huff is. You have a right to your opinion but I don’t know what games you have been watching… Huff is overated, he can’t cover or tackle and generally looks lost on every play. I think Mitchell has gotten better every year, Huff has gotten worse and absolutely got butt raped by Manning last week.
>. neither player is great or even good. they both suck actually fuk it
December 11th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
and with the 3rd overall pick the raiders select:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
how sure are you? like 8-8 sure or just 3-13?
December 11th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Did Reggie overestimate his ability to find undrafted FA’s/unknown free agents to fill holes on the team?
by Caleb 12:10 PM
That might be partially accurate. He also was forced to select players from a smaller pool, the one that featured older, injury-prone players that would sign one-year deals for a reasonable price.
by scorkran 12:10 PM
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Good point.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
DaRaiders022 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Very disappointed with Palmer’s play against the Donkos! Do you think he is the QB answer for this team? Do we need to part with McFadden too?
>. actually palmer IS the answer for the next 2 years at least or until he gets injured thanks to Hue jacka**. raiders are paying palmer too much to cut him or bench him. and yeah McAnkle can go
December 11th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Those aren’t the facts those are your opinions………there a ton of DC’s to chose from he just didn’t get one of them worth talking about.
It is purely an excuse Tarver was HIS CHOICE……….period
December 11th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
DaRaiders022 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Very disappointed with Palmer’s play against the Donkos! Do you think he is the QB answer for this team? Do we need to part with McFadden too?
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Palmer has been an adequate player with no running game, no receivers and a questionable offensive line. McFadden has been just flat out awful. Keep Palmer, get rid of McFadden while he still has some value.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Those aren’t the facts those are your opinions………there a ton of DC’s to chose from he just didn’t get one of them worth talking about.
It is purely an excuse Tarver was HIS CHOICE……….period
>. no dude i was there Okay thats not what happened
December 11th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
raider select Manti Te’o with the 3rd overall pick. Why the reach? because they have no leadership on that defense. I like Star Lotulei as the pick of they don’t trade down but manti is a more likely pick for leadership/face of franchise reasons.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Those aren’t the facts those are your opinions………there a ton of DC’s to chose from he just didn’t get one of them worth talking about.
It is purely an excuse Tarver was HIS CHOICE……….period
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YAWN.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
raiderjhawk Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:59 am
bcz24 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:50 am
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Mike Mitchell is ten times the ball player then Huff is. You have a right to your opinion but I don’t know what games you have been watching… Huff is overated, he can’t cover or tackle and generally looks lost on every play. I think Mitchell has gotten better every year, Huff has gotten worse and absolutely got butt raped by Manning last week.
>. neither player is great or even good. they both suck actually fuk it
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Huff is a huge disappointment. He has always had the skills and physical tools necessary to be a very good player, and was very well coached at Texas. But the last time he really played hard was his 2nd season. At this point, he’s rich and just trying not to get hurt. He’s not an impact player, because he CHOOSES not to be. He’s gotten by on his physical ability, but again, has never been much of a hustle player or someone who played like they really loved football. Thats why I think that if he had a full camp at CB, hed actually improve as a player, because this is not a man who wants to make the hits and do the things required of an NFL safety. Hes just not.
Mike Mitchell on the other hand gives 120% every time. The problem is, he makes a lot of bonehead mistakes, takes the wrong angles often, and though he has speed, he doesnt have the hips to change direction quick enough when he does make the wrong read or reaction. And I love how he hits, but when he misses on those hits, its not pretty, and it usually results in a big play for the opponent.
F#ckin Raiders.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
There are 300 colleges and 32 teams with DC’s no one forced him to hire anyone he didn’t want. DA just didn’t have a plan worth a damn and as a result he got what you’re looking at.
When you say you want to be a HC you better have a plan B, C, D and E if necessary, clearly he didn’t do his due diligence.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
raiderjhawk Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:59 am
bcz24 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:50 am
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Mike Mitchell is ten times the ball player then Huff is. You have a right to your opinion but I don’t know what games you have been watching… Huff is overated, he can’t cover or tackle and generally looks lost on every play. I think Mitchell has gotten better every year, Huff has gotten worse and absolutely got butt raped by Manning last week.
>. neither player is great or even good. they both suck actually fuk it
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Huff is a huge disappointment. He has always had the skills and physical tools necessary to be a very good player, and was very well coached at Texas. But the last time he really played hard was his 2nd season. At this point, he’s rich and just trying not to get hurt. He’s not an impact player, because he CHOOSES not to be. He’s gotten by on his physical ability, but again, has never been much of a hustle player or someone who played like they really loved football. Thats why I think that if he had a full camp at CB, hed actually improve as a player, because this is not a man who wants to make the hits and do the things required of an NFL safety. Hes just not.
Mike Mitchell on the other hand gives 120% every time. The problem is, he makes a lot of bonehead mistakes, takes the wrong angles often, and though he has speed, he doesnt have the hips to change direction quick enough when he does make the wrong read or reaction. And I love how he hits, but when he misses on those hits, its not pretty, and it usually results in a big play for the opponent.
F#ckin Raiders.
>> well lets face it, AL davis whiffed in his last 9 drafts. every first round pick since 2004 has been a failure with respect to their draft position. his later round picks were mostly misses too. look at the defense, no talent. this team will rebuild but it will take 3 good drafts to become elite.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
There are 300 colleges and 32 teams with DC’s no one forced him to hire anyone he didn’t want. DA just didn’t have a plan worth a damn and as a result he got what you’re looking at.
When you say you want to be a HC you better have a plan B, C, D and E if necessary, clearly he didn’t do his due diligence.
>. isn’t is ALSO possible that the players just fukin suck? the defense LAST gave up 27 PPG 427 total points allowed. this defense has given up 401 points in 13 games. its the players MORE than the coach. numbers don’t lie
December 11th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Sure 3 drafts and who is supposed to do this Reggie and what army?
There is plenty of talent to biuld around if you have a GM worth his salt. Make all the excuses you want this team has as much talent as half the teams in this league and they have made strides with that talent but this staff simply can’t………..period
DA is supposed t coach up the talent………I wouldn’t trust him with a popwarner team based on what I’ve seen so far.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Stop whining and crying and get it done………….period
December 11th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Sure 3 drafts and who is supposed to do this Reggie and what army?
There is plenty of talent to biuld around if you have a GM worth his salt. Make all the excuses you want this team has as much talent as half the teams in this league and they have made strides with that talent but this staff simply can’t………..period
DA is supposed t coach up the talent………I wouldn’t trust him with a popwarner team based on what I’ve seen so far.
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Who do you want as GM then?
December 11th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
As I Tweeted, be careful what you wis for. If people think that King is going to outperform Lechler, they’re in for a huge surprise.
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I like this answer from Corkran
December 11th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
isn’t is ALSO possible that the players just fukin suck?
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When I watched Marques Colston run right past MM for six with 42 seconds to go in the half against NO, or McFadden drop a sure 30 yard gain on the lst play against Denver, to me it is pretty obvious what is going on around here. Later in the Denver game Manning throws a beautiful high arching pass that Decker makes a very good grab on with coverage draped all over him. Opposing Teams make plays. The Raiders don’t. That is the difference between our team and the rest of the league.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Sure 3 drafts and who is supposed to do this Reggie and what army?
There is plenty of talent to biuld around if you have a GM worth his salt. Make all the excuses you want this team has as much talent as half the teams in this league and they have made strides with that talent but this staff simply can’t………..period
DA is supposed t coach up the talent………I wouldn’t trust him with a popwarner team based on what I’ve seen so far.
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Who do you want as GM then?
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Al Davis at 45.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:59 am
I am watching the 4th qrtr of the TNF game vs Denver when this blowhard know it all Mike Mayock makes one of the dumbest comments he could make. He shows a graphic of our high 1st rnd picks Gallery and all the others and says NONE should’ve been picked in the 1st 15 picks ………NONE mind you and before he gets it out of his mouth DHB catches a hitch and go for a TD. Shuts that dumbell right up.
I have said this many times about Mayock he runs his mouth as if he knows everything but he rarely ever shows a graphic pointing out all his misses. Calling Brady Quinn the most NFL ready QB and that he will be in the top 3 QB’s in the league after 3 years in the league. His constant praises of Boston College athletes incidently Matt Ryan isn’t nearly as good as he said he would be. For anyone in their right mind to say Gallery should not have been picked in the top 5 is flat out crazy at the time Gallery was rated as the safest pick in that draft.
You can get a 5 year old to pick players after the fact. But to say DMC shouldn’t have been picked in the top 15 is simple freakin ignorant. He should be banned from covering games to say something that damn foolish. When DMC came out he was highly rated by every scout with a brain. I was the only one saying the Raiders shouldn’t take him that high and that was only because we already had Mike Bush or I would’ve been on board 100%. Mike Mayock is a damn fool………period
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Hard to takeanything you say.
You posted this couple years ago.
priesttj Says:
April 1st, 2010 at 11:22 pm
You guy’s are delusional. Forget what you’re hearing in the media. I’m telling what the players are saying. And they are raving about Russell at this point.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
We’ve always had a GM, we just don’t have one I have an once of faith in. Bring in Ken Herock or Ron Wolfe and they can turn this around in NEXT YEAR……period
We have a wannbe GM and dunce fora HC.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
You were whining about mayock years ago, priest.
Look at your take re vince young, vs cutler?
You seem to just rant. No sense in your posts. Can you admit you blew another one?
• priesttj Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Oh! and let’s not forget Mayocks jock sniffing on Jay Cutler over VY. He tried his best to get Cutler drafted higher than VY but the GM’s didn’t buy it so far the best of those 3 QB’s is VY by a long way!!
Mayock is a sucka…………..period
December 11th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Do we have any idea what the general plan with this org is anyway?
I was under assumption we were “modeling” after GB; now i hear references to Texans this, Texans that.
Where are they going with this whole thing?
You’d think we’d have a strong idea by now.
Generaliztions like “we want to win” have not told us much.
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I’ve said from very early this org. didn’t seem very interested in winning. Why did the no-huddle disappear again? Why not wait with the ZBS until we had the right players? Why call two consecutive prevent defenses against Atl (notice how the wheels came off after that loss?)
I think Allen and McK got too secure with their job security, and they didn’t care if they won or not… they were playing for better draft positions, knowing this team wasn’t going anywhere anyway.
Perhaps Mark Davis lit a fire under their asses lately… with the Gruden rumors and stating publically he is getting pissed off?
The intensity level of the defense sure seems to have picked up the last 6 quarters… I expected a Manning 60 point rout, and they actually played pretty tough.
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yep plus the players were on national tv.. playing only game on tv
December 11th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Livechat;
Pryor would be top 3 QB in the league with his skill set.
by Mistic 12:45 PM
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Seriously?
December 11th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Ant it was true he lit it up at a pre-draft minicamp……outplayed everyone. Russell was extremely talented his issues have nothing to do with Talent. It’s his horrible approach to the game and lack of respect for his own talent.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
You Hue haters and DA backers are pathetic.
I was in Vegas this past weekend and was talking to the group on the poker table and 6 out of the 10 of them were telling me how stupid it was for the Raiders to get rid of Hue Jackson and then hire a rookie like DA to take over and then hire Knapp?
They all said all Hue Jackson needed was a LEGIT DC.
These aren’t even Raider fans, just unbiased sports fans looking from the outside in.
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Yep I aint buy anything DA is selling at this point. Zero stock in DA/ KNAPP cuz they have an unproven track record. Well actually KNAPP has been horrible everywhere he went. He has gotten coaches like Kiffin/ JIM MORA JR fired.
Dont tell me show me!
December 11th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
We’ve always had a GM, we just don’t have one I have an once of faith in. Bring in Ken Herock or Ron Wolfe and they can turn this around in NEXT YEAR……period
We have a wannbe GM and dunce fora HC.
>. I’ll have to disagree. Bill belichick wouldn’t have a winning record here THIS year. this team has no talent on defense. period. you can’t coach scrubs to beat better players. it only works in the movies. who is the Raiders #1 corner? would ANY of the linebackers be STARTING on another team? defensive line, no talent, average at best. safeties are even worse. branch would be a ST player on a lot of teams.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
priesttj Says:
April 1st, 2010 at 11:22 pm
You guy’s are delusional. Forget what you’re hearing in the media. I’m telling what the players are saying. And they are raving about Russell at this point.
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Priest, you were right on with your assessment of JR. Kiffin, Knapp and Louis Murphy all raved about him. We made the right pick at #1 in 2007. As an organization, the Raiders failed JaMarcus. It just pisses me off that so many pundits, including Elway and Peter King, called it.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/982/elway-worried-for-russell-hammers-raiders
“I think JaMarcus Russell to the Raiders scares me. I would have done the exact same thing Oakland did, to be sure. But the formula for early success is a bad one there. So much pressure on him to perform well early, with such a porous offensive line, and who knows what at wideout.”
– SI’s Peter King
December 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Ant it was true he lit it up at a pre-draft minicamp……outplayed everyone. Russell was extremely talented his issues have nothing to do with Talent. It’s his horrible approach to the game and lack of respect for his own talent.
>. biggest bust in NFL history and you defend him. WOW.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Guess asking the same ole dumb questions is better in the chat. lol
December 11th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
McFadden 3.3 per carry.
Every other back has a higher per carry average. Our running game is killing us with McFadden out there. There is your problem right there. Sorry..
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Why didn’t it kill us last year then? He played well enough for us to start 5-1 if not for the Buff defensive debacle.
Now we won’t get 5 winnable games in a season… and our QB is better.
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What is so hard for these guys to understand DMAC is not a ZBS runner.. thats why he has 3.3 yrds pc. he is a power runner.. and the stats prove that
December 11th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
priesttj Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Oh! and let’s not forget Mayocks jock sniffing on Jay Cutler over VY. He tried his best to get Cutler drafted higher than VY but the GM’s didn’t buy it so far the best of those 3 QB’s is VY by a long way!!
Mayock is a sucka…………..period
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Why don’t you look at VY’s win loss record and tell me I’m wrong.
Also while you’re at it look up Brady Quinn’s record.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
It’s so simple it’s sickening. All Reggie had to do was:
Keep Hue and let him gameplan and build around Palmer and McFadden
Resign Bush
Hire a bona dude DC
A couple of tweaks here and there and we are really good. Hues irrational firing is a footnote in Raider history.
Reggie and DA have created a monumental mess that ain’t gonna get cleaned up over night. And to hell with the ZBS. It’ll be outlawed next year. Another oversight by these guys. They ruined what could have been a good thing. Good luck climbing outta this hole. Reggie and DA apologists need to realize this. It really is that simple. That is why it is so sickening.
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Exactly!
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Careful the DA lovers will tell u 8-8 wasnt really 8-8 and u cant rebuild off that LMAO.. how is 3-10 working out ??
December 11th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
priesttj Says:
April 1st, 2010 at 11:22 pm
You guy’s are delusional. Forget what you’re hearing in the media. I’m telling what the players are saying. And they are raving about Russell at this point.
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Priest, you were right on with your assessment of JR. Kiffin, Knapp and Louis Murphy all raved about him. We made the right pick at #1 in 2007. As an organization, the Raiders failed JaMarcus. It just pisses me off that so many pundits, including Elway and Peter King, called it.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/982/elway-worried-for-russell-hammers-raiders
“I think JaMarcus Russell to the Raiders scares me. I would have done the exact same thing Oakland did, to be sure. But the formula for early success is a bad one there. So much pressure on him to perform well early, with such a porous offensive line, and who knows what at wideout.”
– SI’s Peter King
>. i mean it wasn’t russels fault as he pounded triple cheeseburgers and balooned to 300 pounds. Russell looked like a OL when he showed up to camp in 2010. what pressure? 40 mil in the bank to throw a aired up piece of rubber around. no REAL pressure.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
priesttj Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Oh! and let’s not forget Mayocks jock sniffing on Jay Cutler over VY. He tried his best to get Cutler drafted higher than VY but the GM’s didn’t buy it so far the best of those 3 QB’s is VY by a long way!!
Mayock is a sucka…………..period
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Why don’t you look at VY’s win loss record and tell me I’m wrong.
Also while you’re at it look up Brady Quinn’s record.
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Don’t forget his hard on for Blaine Gabbert. Said he was the most pro-ready Qb coming out in 2011 and should be drafted ahead of Cam Newton. Also called Vontaze Burfict “undraftable” which no doubt hurt his stock. Think this team could use a Vontaze Burfict right now?
December 11th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
It’s very easy for Mayock to chart someone else’s record why doesn’t mayock put up a graphic of his own draft over the last 6 years and lets see just how prophetic he’s been. Mayock is a blowhard of epic proportions but we cannot point to his win loss record if he had one he could talk.
Incidently why hasn’t anyone every signed him as a GM if he’;s soo damn smart.????? why is talking a good game let him run a team and we’ll see how it turns out…………TALK IS CHEAP!
December 11th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
“A couple tweaks and we are really good”
LOL.
Pure Comedy.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
The 0-5 errr, 1-4 record to end his tenure? That record?
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Yeah, funny how Hue supporters are so ready to elevate his performance when the team fell apart the last third of the season.
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Y to idiots keep saying “down the stretch” ummm hello ?? whats DA down the stretch? freaking 0-13 down the stretch? Hue had NO GM, NO help, NO owner, NO starting QB, NO DMAC, NO TRAINING CAMP, NO OC, DMOORE, FORD missed alot of time with injuries during that playoff push.
He never made any execuses. Raiders were in it till the last game of the season. was excitment. Go ask Andy Reid how hard it is to win in this league ask DA.
So next time u try to “hate” on hue and his down the stretch record.. jsut know its better then DA/KNAPP will ever do.
8-8 son
December 11th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I know Debo he’s wrong 7-10 times but no one keeps count of it so he can continue to spew his arrogance because if any saw how terrible he really is he’d get FIRED!!!!
December 11th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
nycraider Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie agrees they can be a playoff team
July 26th
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/26/raiders-gm-reggie-mckenzie-agrees-they-can-be-a-playoff-team/
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Bingo, it why reggie resigned seymour, franchised branch then gave him a long term contract, signed briesel the bust..all the moves hurt us next year cause reggie the rookie gm didnt know how bad our players were.Reggie failed in 2012 but no excuses in 2013
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Yep.. now Reggie is singing a different tune, trying to buy some more of his lame duck coaches some time.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Cork, the same offense knapp has was top 10 last year, now their bottom feeders. how can you say he had an empty cupboard? seems that is far from the case. And McFadden was healthy for more games this year.
by Brazy 12:53 PM
Offensive line has played worse, receivers played worse, McFadden played far worse.
by scorkran 12:54 PM
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Clever answer. If he’s agreeing, correct. If he’s making excuses, dead wrong.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
The Great Al Davis has some thoughts on 8-8, junior.
December 11th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I know Debo he’s wrong 7-10 times but no one keeps count of it so he can continue to spew his arrogance because if any saw how terrible he really is he’d get FIRED!!!!
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That dude is a flash in the pan. He looked like a total dipsht the other night. When he put up a graphic of our #1 picks the last 5 or so years and said they were all overdrafted, I was floored. Who lets this dork in front of a camera anyway? Before he landed that cush job, he was selling real estate. Laughable!
December 11th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
#17 & #33 overall picks for Carson Palmer.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
#17 & #33 overall picks for Carson Palmer.
>. whatever GM takes that deal will be in the unemployment line after his psyche eval
December 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Russell’s issues aren’t talent related it is his approach to the game that’s the issue here.
For that dumbell to say on national TV that he shouldn’t ha ve been picked in the top 15 is purely Moronic. He was hands down a top 5 pick.
It’s easy as hell anyone can make assertions after the fact hindsight is always 20/20 but cna you do it before the fact. Mayock is a sourgrapes blowhard with a hard on for this org. because Mr Davis passed his dumbass over………..and for good reason.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
I don’t understand what Reggie was supposed to say when he and DA arrived?
We are a team with plenty of holes and have no shot at the playoffs?
I’m sure all that would have resulted in is Mark Davis buying even more tickets in order to not be blacked out every week.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Yo Priest,..I got confirmation that Reggie isnt even considering canning Allen,..and also heard Knapp also returning,..its the roster Father,..so might as well live with it,…hey look, want to call Gary?…I can fix it man.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Could it be OL, WR , DMAC play worse because of Knapp?
by bc 12:57 PM
Yes, as well as the scheme.
by scorkran 12:57 PM
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Cork was being clever. (post #167)
December 11th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
173.MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
I don’t understand what Reggie was supposed to say when he and DA arrived?
We are a team with plenty of holes and have no shot at the playoffs?
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He could’ve just said what everyone else says for him. “It’s Al’s Fault. Can’t expect people to do their jobs until we get everything our way”
December 11th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
from corkys chat
steve says Expect coach Allen back next season. With that said, owner Mark Davis is watching to see how Allen commands the team the rest of the way. If the team quits or tunes out Allen, Davis might be compelled to make a change.
by scorkran 12:02 PM
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Well even corky coming around saying something different now. lol this guy gives two different choices.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Norco, what can I do for you man? How can I help?
Whatever it is let me know man so I can do it and get it over with………..sigh!
December 11th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
26.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:57 am
So thanks Hue Jackson for the greatest trade ever…
#17 overall & #33 overall pick for Carson Palmer.
OBVIOUSLY.
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Oh yeah sure. All Hue’s fault.
hahaha…..lame
December 11th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Anyone watching with any degree of objectivity knows Knapp and his scheme led to DMC’s lack of production. A novice could come to that conclusion.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Who is Gary and why wont Priest talk to him?
December 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Russell’s issues aren’t talent related it is his approach to the game that’s the issue here.
For that dumbell to say on national TV that he shouldn’t ha ve been picked in the top 15 is purely Moronic. He was hands down a top 5 pick.
It’s easy as hell anyone can make assertions after the fact hindsight is always 20/20 but cna you do it before the fact. Mayock is a sourgrapes blowhard with a hard on for this org. because Mr Davis passed his dumbass over………..and for good reason.
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Any dumbsht that thinks JR wasn’t a top-3 pick in 2007 is in complete denial. Phil Savage called JR up the night before the draft and told him he probably wouldn’t last that long, but he should rest assured he wouldn’t fall past #3 to the Browns. There’s a reason the Ravens gave him the top grade in their scouting history. And it wasn’t just his strong arm. The guy should have been damn good here. A little of it may have been his fault, but we fked up big time by screwing with his contract and making him miss his 1st training camp, firing Kiffin, swapping out Knapp and DiFillipo for Paul Hackett and Ted Tollner (WTF???), then undermining JR who had finished the previous season strong by signing Jeff Garcia and drafting DHB at #7 in 2009. Starting DHB and Murphy as rookies was a disaster, though it was partly out of neccessity due to Chaz’s injury. Could have used a Hagen-like veteran at that time. Never happened. Won’t even get into the OL. It’s well documented. As usual with this team, self-inflicted wounds.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Who is Gary and why wont Priest talk to him?
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You’re such a gossipy little btch.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
I think dmac is having trouble with steroids. When he is on them he looks unbeatable but he looks very normal and weak when he is not
December 11th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
KK the 65 year old bigot who hates rich people expect for the ones who let KK eat at the table with them in swissland
Must be a drag being married but spending all your time on a blog being a scumball
December 11th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
184.Plunketthead Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
I think dmac is having trouble with steroids. When he is on them he looks unbeatable but he looks very normal and weak when he is not
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His problem is you just can’t ask someone from Arkansas to make Reads
December 11th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
KK the 65 year old bigot who hates rich people expect for the ones who let KK eat at the table with them in swissland
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You dumb misspelling ignorant gossipy btch.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
They should put your picture next to “uncle tom” in websters
December 11th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed…
December 11th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
That would give you three spots, one for bigot, uncle tom and hypocrite
December 11th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Gotta love Debo and Priest! Now that we’ve decided whether Reggie and DA should stay or go, in addition to all the ass’t coaches and offensive, defensive and special teams players, not to mention whether letting Cable or Hue go was wise, we get to the important discussion. Rehashing an article from October of 2008!
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/982/elway-worried-for-russell-hammers-raiders
December 11th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
They should put your picture next to white trash in websters.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Dont forget this classic Plunk..
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/the-toy/
December 11th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Where is that great talent JaMoron playing these days ?
Yup, it was the Raiders fault he’s perhaps the biggest bust of all time.
That’s why he’s having immense success elsewhere.
Where’s he playing again ?
December 11th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Funny. Some of you ask for predictions from Cork (as if he knows how things will shake out), then call him out when they inevitably don’t come true.
Then turn right around and ask for another prediction! Did I see someone asking him if we can make the playoffs next year? Lol!
December 11th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Gotta love Debo and Priest! Now that we’ve decided whether Reggie and DA should stay or go, in addition to all the ass’t coaches and offensive, defensive and special teams players, not to mention whether letting Cable or Hue go was wise, we get to the important discussion. Rehashing an article from October of 2008!
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/982/elway-worried-for-russell-hammers-raiders
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Rehashing? Don’t you get it? Elway took a look at the organization and called JR’s demise BEFORE it happened! If you were smart, you’d read it and get a good idea why the team is in the mess it’s in today with no real end in sight.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Where is that great talent JaMoron playing these days ?
Yup, it was the Raiders fault he’s perhaps the biggest bust of all time.
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Well to be fair, taking him #1 overall, especially over Calvin Johnson, makes him the biggest Bust of All Time
December 11th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Tits back in Oakland yet ?
Man, I’d love to witness his meeting with McLame.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
So Cork said the wise move would be to trade down? Then turned right around and said we need the type of playmakers than can only be had at the top of the draft? Flop!
These chats are useless.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Funny. Some of you ask for predictions from Cork (as if he knows how things will shake out), then call him out when they inevitably don’t come true.
Then turn right around and ask for another prediction! Did I see someone asking him if we can make the playoffs next year? Lol!
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Like his glowing references for Palmer Dmo Bartell {Tool}erfson and others
December 11th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
180.Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Anyone watching with any degree of objectivity knows Knapp and his scheme led to DMC’s lack of production. A novice could come to that conclusion.
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Yep. So many problems.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
That some of you think Cork knows what’s best for this team is a wonder.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Will be awful if we have to see Knapp’s offense again next year. We will be playing for another top 5 pick next year…
December 11th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
In retrospect I have to admit the Raiders were culpable to some extent with Russell. The environment more than anything was not conducive to his growth and the players around him left a lot to be desired but all in all Russell was unprofessional and immature.
However it would have been wise to find a way to meet somewhere in the middle and try to biuld around his talent. If you look at what we’ve done at that position since he left we haven’t improved at all with the exception of Jason Campbell we haven’t improved much at all.
I would have loved to re-neg his contract down and sit him for a year or two under JC and let him get his head together and we may have saved ourselves from giving away draft picks and losing out on a HUGE investment. But as I said hindsight is always 20/20. We spent a 1st a 2nd and 3rd , 4th at that position since he was drafted and we still don’t have that position nailed down longterm. Yikes! this picks could have gone to strengthen the defense making us maybe a power in the AFC had things been different.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Anyone watching with any degree of objectivity knows Knapp and his scheme led to DMC’s lack of production. A novice could come to that conclusion.
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One could also say that DMC lack of vision and reading lead to loss of production in a scheme that more complete RBs flourish in. It’s all perspective, but I agree with you wholeheartedly that DMac is not a good fit for the system.
That said, IF the grand plan is to use this throwaway year to hone the system from the OL and QB reading point of view, then the RB is a disposable asset in the long haul. This now helps justify letting DMac and his $6M price tag go and replacing him with a much cheaper option that will be twice as effective in this system.
Now you could argue that the other course was to continue to build the system around the strength of DMac as the cornerstone and help justify his salary. That would be a much better argument if he wasn’t perpetually a 10 or less game per season player.
All in all, I like this approach from a long term point of view. Keep working on the ZBS and plug in a couple of cheap options like Stewart next year until you find one that you hit the home run with. You end up with an equally or more effective running game (amortizing DMacs 8 or so productive games across 16)AND you get cap relief to go out and spend on better defensive players.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Where’s Russell playing again these days ?
December 11th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
202.The Big Banana Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
That some of you think Cork knows what’s best for this team is a wonder.
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Most of the time, it’s people just looking for validation on their own opinions
December 11th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
The way Corky down on TP dont sit right wid me
December 11th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Keep telling me what a ‘talent’ Russell is and how the Raids were culpable for his failure…
I’ll keep asking you where he’s playing these days.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Cork = Nostradum@$$
December 11th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
10 fucn years of draft bust after draft bust, and cork is pissed off because JOHN KINGDOM AND BRUCE KEBRIC were let go as scouts. Am i the only one who thinks hes gone wacko. fuc them, they were part of the problem we have now, a team full of retards and check cashers.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
In retrospect I have to admit the Raiders were culpable to some extent with Russell. The environment more than anything was not conducive to his growth and the players around him left a lot to be desired but all in all Russell was unprofessional and immature.
However it would have been wise to find a way to meet somewhere in the middle and try to biuld around his talent. If you look at what we’ve done at that position since he left we haven’t improved at all with the exception of Jason Campbell we haven’t improved much at all.
I would have loved to re-neg his contract down and sit him for a year or two under JC and let him get his head together and we may have saved ourselves from giving away draft picks and losing out on a HUGE investment. But as I said hindsight is always 20/20. We spent a 1st a 2nd and 3rd , 4th at that position since he was drafted and we still don’t have that position nailed down longterm. Yikes! this picks could have gone to strengthen the defense making us maybe a power in the AFC had things been different.
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In short, we jumped the gun. Al succumbed to the pressure of a lot of short-sighted fans and media members and to his notorious impatience, due in large part to his failing health. JR finished 2009 strong with the comeback win at Denver and solid mop-up duty against the Ravens. He worked hard all summer and led the offense in the weightroom. He kicked ass during the 1st mini-camp practice under Hue, cited by everyone as the best QB on the field. Then they give all his reps to JC and cut him a few days later. I’ve got no problem with the money he made here because he never gave up and went down swinging. If the Raiders wanted to flush $40 million down the drain, that’s their prerogative.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
lol
December 11th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
210
lmfao in agreement
December 11th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
If they get a top #3 pick. Trade down and get Te’o
December 11th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Where’s Russell playing again these days ?
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The same place as his starting tackles: Kwame Harris, Mario Henderson and Cornell Green. Poor JaMarcus.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Raider(since 1967)
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Afternoon Cork ! Hey RAIDERNATION !
Well CORK – I have check all the Raider forums and reading thousands of blogs.
2 questions?
# 1- Why are we holding Pryor, when is he going to play ?
# 2- When are we getting rid of Of- Greg Knapp ?
Everyone feels that the same way. We all agree together and feel
December 11th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
You are assuming the ZBS is superior to other systems and if that is your opinion I cna only say it’s misguided. All the ZBS is is DA preference. It is neither superior nor inferior it’s just a blocking system and you can take your pick. They all work as effeiciently as the talent you have in them………….period
To say that sacrificing a year and a great HB to change is make sense is crazy. It is total folly HB’s of DMC calibre do NOT grow on trees and to make him unproductive for one game is stupid………….period
December 11th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
I dont know if this is a legit twitter account but its pretty amusing @JaCantonRussell
December 11th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
216.RaiderDebo Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Where’s Russell playing again these days ?
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The same place as his starting tackles: Kwame Harris, Mario Henderson and Cornell Green. Poor JaMarcus.
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All low budget ZBS Guys. God Bless the ZBS!
December 11th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
So Cork said the wise move would be to trade down? Then turned right around and said we need the type of playmakers than can only be had at the top of the draft? Flop!
These chats are useless.
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Well, that’s the thing……IT’S ALL TRUE, well possibly true anyway. Every single question could be answered with a YES if it’s theoretical.
Can we get a home run with our 1st pick – YES
Could our 1st pick be a bust – YES
Can we get to the playoffs next year – YES
Could we go 0-16 next year – YES
It’s all just a damn crap shoot / best educated GUESS / and reckoning….
All the live chats are, is Steve blogging with us for about an hour a week. No way he’s got all the Fu*kin answers man.
December 11th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Afternoon Cork ! Hey RAIDERNATION !
Well CORK – I have check all the Raider forums and reading thousands of blogs.
2 questions?
# 1- Why are we holding Pryor, when is he going to play ?
# 2- When are we getting rid of Of- Greg Knapp ?
Everyone feels the same way. We all agree together and see that Raider high power Offense is not there and hope to get
AL SAUNDER back next year!
December 11th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
I’m sure a lot better questions are asked during these chats, but not many make it through moderation. Vanilla questions for Vanilla answers.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I missed the chat but read through it, and I wish someone would’ve asked Cork why he’s so certain the Gruden thing was just “hot air”?
I don’t necessarily think Gruden is coming back either, but a guy with more credibility and respect in the business is “100 sure” a meeting took place and even “triple checked” his sources, yet Cork blows it off as just a “joke” and a sham.
I wish someone would’ve asked him WHY he’s so sure and how he explains someone like Arkush being so convinced something at least WAS going on?
December 11th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Not with the ZBS.
ZBS is designed to not need to draft OL high or sign big contract ones..
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Any scrub will do?
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The Texans Oline is filled with 3rd rounders.. Their Pro Bowl Center was a 6th../////////////////////////////////////////////////// Texans have the 7th highest paid line in football.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
The same place as his starting tackles: Kwame Harris, Mario Henderson and Cornell Green. Poor JaMarcus.
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Other great talents ruined by the Raiders I guess.
That’s why they’re playing too.
Poor JaMarcus can’t find a job.
Raiders must be blackballing him.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
You are assuming the ZBS is superior to other systems and if that is your opinion I cna only say it’s misguided. All the ZBS is is DA preference. It is neither superior nor inferior it’s just a blocking system and you can take your pick. They all work as effeiciently as the talent you have in them………….period
To say that sacrificing a year and a great HB to change is make sense is crazy. It is total folly HB’s of DMC calibre do NOT grow on trees and to make him unproductive for one game is stupid………….period
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Couldn’t agree more. As far as ZBS goes, it certainly didn’t do much for the Texans the last night vs. the Pats. The Texans are supposedly the premier ZBS team. If true, do we really want to go in that direction? I don’t think so!
December 11th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
priesttj Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Oh! and let’s not forget Mayocks jock sniffing on Jay Cutler over VY. He tried his best to get Cutler drafted higher than VY but the GM’s didn’t buy it so far the best of those 3 QB’s is VY by a long way!!
Mayock is a sucka…………..period
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Why don’t you look at VY’s win loss record and tell me I’m wrong.
Also while you’re at it look up Brady Quinn’s record.
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Cutler is starting qb for a playoff bound team.
Vince Young isn’t even in the league. He’s twittering, begging for Cards to give him a shot. Even the Cards aren’t interested.
In other words, you can’t admit when you are wrong.
And who mentioned Quinn?
December 11th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Did somebody say “poor” JaMarcus? Guy’s laughing all the way to the banco.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Arkush runs PFT.
He hit a grand slam with his fake rumor, that so many either bought, or wanted to buy into.
He got hits on his website.
He got invited to disuss his comment/website on the radio.
And you’re still talking about it.
He dangled the carrot. Some of you bit, and held on.
And he’s laughing, while thanking so many for being so gullible.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
It’s funny. One of the biggest things people rip on the Raiders for is having a new coach every year and appearing “dysfunctional” as a result.
It’s true that when you do fire a HC it looks like you had to have a reason for it. You’re saying, “we’re so bad we need a new head coach”. It may not be the reason Al did it so much, but that’s what it looks like and players say it’s a big deal to fire your coach cuz it messes with continuity.
Hence the reason I didn’t even want Cable fired. Cable got them improved to 8-8 from 5-11 the prior season and then BOOM…then Al Davis incinerates Cable at the presser by bringing up his personal sex life.
Then…i bought into Hue Jackson….loved his “Raider talk” and the way the team played up until the end.
8-8 and then HE gets canned to. That move should not have been made, especially with an org that is notorious for firing their HC every damn year.
Whether you liked Hue or not…or hated his manicure visits or his “bluster” what the hell did he do that was so dang awful that an 8-8 rookie HC deserved to get canned?
What’s funny is, it seems the same ones who are preaching “patience” and understanding of DA are some of the same people who insist that Hue absolutely had to go.
Hue made some mistakes for sure, but EVERY 1ST YR. HC makes mistakes.
Now we finally have a HC who probably DOES deserve to get canned and we feel we have to keep him for continuity purposes.
I’m for keeping DA for another year for that reason alone..and THAT is the sad part.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
So you think Mark and Gruden were discussing the weather?
December 11th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
In retrospect I have to admit the Raiders were culpable to some extent with Russell. The environment more than anything was not conducive to his growth and the players around him left a lot to be desired but all in all Russell was unprofessional and immature.
However it would have been wise to find a way to meet somewhere in the middle and try to biuld around his talent. If you look at what we’ve done at that position since he left we haven’t improved at all with the exception of Jason Campbell we haven’t improved much at all.
I would have loved to re-neg his contract down and sit him for a year or two under JC and let him get his head together and we may have saved ourselves from giving away draft picks and losing out on a HUGE investment. But as I said hindsight is always 20/20. We spent a 1st a 2nd and 3rd , 4th at that position since he was drafted and we still don’t have that position nailed down longterm. Yikes! this picks could have gone to strengthen the defense making us maybe a power in the AFC had things been different.
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In short, we jumped the gun. Al succumbed to the pressure of a lot of short-sighted fans and media members and to his notorious impatience, due in large part to his failing health. JR finished 2009 strong with the comeback win at Denver and solid mop-up duty against the Ravens. He worked hard all summer and led the offense in the weightroom. He kicked ass during the 1st mini-camp practice under Hue, cited by everyone as the best QB on the field. Then they give all his reps to JC and cut him a few days later. I’ve got no problem with the money he made here because he never gave up and went down swinging. If the Raiders wanted to flush $40 million down the drain, that’s their prerogative.
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Odd that of the 3/4 ppl I saw defending Russell’s horrible outings, which is Priest, you, and Seymour, that years later you three are still refusing to admit you were wrong.
No small coincidence you three are still viewed as lost and confused.
Facts are the players didn’t state what priest had posted. Was a bs post, from priest, that he made up.
Sappy that you, today, still buy in.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Cork has lost all credibility in my eyes when it comes to rating players.
he didnt think jc was any good, and he was an unabashed palmer worshiper. Even with the horrendous results palmer has earned, he refuses to acknowledge the trade as a bust.
Now he wont accept pryor and wants to write the kid off completely. when asked if he thought pryor could win a starting job he flat out answered no and dismissed it out right.
He even had the nerve to talk about qbs in the draft and he has t wilson murray and bray ALL AHEAD OF GENO SMITH?!??!?!?!
GENO IS BY FAR THE BEST QB IN THIS DRAFT?!/!?!
i get it though, because geno is seen as possibly the best qb in the class the class is being downgraded as a whole. i doubt this would be the case if barkley or wilson or bray or murray hadnt flopped.
This is an outrage
Cork should change his name to crock, he is full of it.
The media can not be trusted
December 11th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
he didnt think jc was any good
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And he was correct, your point?
December 11th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I missed the chat but read through it, and I wish someone would’ve asked Cork why he’s so certain the Gruden thing was just “hot air”?
I don’t necessarily think Gruden is coming back either, but a guy with more credibility and respect in the business is “100 sure” a meeting took place and even “triple checked” his sources, yet Cork blows it off as just a “joke” and a sham.
I wish someone would’ve asked him WHY he’s so sure and how he explains someone like Arkush being so convinced something at least WAS going on?
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I don’t think he’s coming back. Could be Grudens agent throwing out softballs to get buzz going. Happens all the time.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
In retrospect I have to admit the Raiders were culpable to some extent with Russell. The environment more than anything was not conducive to his growth and the players around him left a lot to be desired but all in all Russell was unprofessional and immature.
However it would have been wise to find a way to meet somewhere in the middle and try to biuld around his talent. If you look at what we’ve done at that position since he left we haven’t improved at all with the exception of Jason Campbell we haven’t improved much at all.
I would have loved to re-neg his contract down and sit him for a year or two under JC and let him get his head together and we may have saved ourselves from giving away draft picks and losing out on a HUGE investment. But as I said hindsight is always 20/20. We spent a 1st a 2nd and 3rd , 4th at that position since he was drafted and we still don’t have that position nailed down longterm. Yikes! this picks could have gone to strengthen the defense making us maybe a power in the AFC had things been different.
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Amazing.
Years later you are still defending /Russell, as if it was not something he did.
He was lazy. He was non-committed. He came in fat, and unprepared. He admitted he didn’t study the playbook. Team admitted he was given a blank dvd to study, where he was caught lying, saying he studied it.
Team admitted that he only knew 30% of the plays at a time he should have known all the plays.
The list is long.
Your memory,on the other hand, is pretty much gone.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
230.RockinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Arkush runs PFT.
He hit a grand slam with his fake rumor, that so many either bought, or wanted to buy into.
He got hits on his website.
He got invited to disuss his comment/website on the radio.
And you’re still talking about it.
He dangled the carrot. Some of you bit, and held on.
And he’s laughing, while thanking so many for being so gullible.
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That’s on him. I guess shame on us for listening to a respected 31 yr. NFL media figure?
I had doubts from the start, but i still believe him that a meeting took place. I think maybe Gruden turned down the idea right away, but i believe Mark spoke with him about it.
“Gullible’ is listening to some rumor in Bleacher Report or something form some schlep with no credibility.
Hub is not “some guy from PFT” he’s the founder and editor and been covering the league for 31 yr’s…he has a Heisman vote, and is sideline reporter for MNF radio broadcasts. and is the “football expert” for WSCR in Chicago.
This one is not on the “gullible” fans.
Plus, Hub NEVER said Gruden WAS coming to Oakland. He DID say he was going to be in the NFL and in his “opinion” Oakland seemed like a likely destination for Gruden. That’s it.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Oh no not the hu jack thing again
Hue committed the ultimate sin for a black man in sports you dont bite the hand that feeds you.
owners are called owners for a reason, they own the team, they own the players and coaches, and they own the keys to thier employees future earnings to large extent.
Hue spoke out of school, and he had to be taught by the nfl , old biys network, a lesson.
this is why in a league where his offense was one of the best ion football he wasnt even offerd an oc position on any other team.
This is probably why he hasnt found a college gig either, cal im looking at you.
this is the main reason athletes and entertainers WILL NEVER SPEAK ON REAL ISSUES THAT AFFECT THE COMMUNITIES THEY ARE FROM, THEY ARE OWNED.
Adrian Peterson made a good point ;’its like slavery”
December 11th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Sorry Mistic, but any “athlete pulling down 10-20 mil. per season, or an entertainer likewise, can compare that to slavery,” has to be totally dreaming and in denial!
December 11th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
It’s funny. One of the biggest things people rip on the Raiders for is having a new coach every year and appearing “dysfunctional” as a result.
It’s true that when you do fire a HC it looks like you had to have a reason for it. You’re saying, “we’re so bad we need a new head coach”. It may not be the reason Al did it so much, but that’s what it looks like and players say it’s a big deal to fire your coach cuz it messes with continuity.
Hence the reason I didn’t even want Cable fired. Cable got them improved to 8-8 from 5-11 the prior season and then BOOM…then Al Davis incinerates Cable at the presser by bringing up his personal sex life.
Then…i bought into Hue Jackson….loved his “Raider talk” and the way the team played up until the end.
8-8 and then HE gets canned to. That move should not have been made, especially with an org that is notorious for firing their HC every damn year.
Whether you liked Hue or not…or hated his manicure visits or his “bluster” what the hell did he do that was so dang awful that an 8-8 rookie HC deserved to get canned?
What’s funny is, it seems the same ones who are preaching “patience” and understanding of DA are some of the same people who insist that Hue absolutely had to go.
Hue made some mistakes for sure, but EVERY 1ST YR. HC makes mistakes.
Now we finally have a HC who probably DOES deserve to get canned and we feel we have to keep him for continuity purposes.
I’m for keeping DA for another year for that reason alone..and THAT is the sad part.
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I think we have more than enough of a sampling size to pose the following question:
Is Dennis Allen a better head coach than Hue Jackson?
Not a Hue supporter, but for me, the answer is a very clear HELL NO!
I think even Reggie himself would have a hard time trying to convince anyone at this point that Dennis Allen is a better head coach than Hue Jackson.
Everybody is different in how they would handle things. Personally, if I have sh!t on my hands and I know it, I’m gonna go and wash it off. Not hope that it magically turns into gold if I give it a little more time to stink.
All that said, if for some odd reason DA turns into a super coach and gets the Raiders back to respectability, I’d be a happy man, and Id admit that I was wrong about him. But come on now, people. Deep down, do any of us really feel like this is the guy?
December 11th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
In retrospect I have to admit the Raiders were culpable to some extent with Russell. The environment more than anything was not conducive to his growth and the players around him left a lot to be desired but all in all Russell was unprofessional and immature.
However it would have been wise to find a way to meet somewhere in the middle and try to biuld around his talent. If you look at what we’ve done at that position since he left we haven’t improved at all with the exception of Jason Campbell we haven’t improved much at all.
I would have loved to re-neg his contract down and sit him for a year or two under JC and let him get his head together and we may have saved ourselves from giving away draft picks and losing out on a HUGE investment. But as I said hindsight is always 20/20. We spent a 1st a 2nd and 3rd , 4th at that position since he was drafted and we still don’t have that position nailed down longterm. Yikes! this picks could have gone to strengthen the defense making us maybe a power in the AFC had things been different.
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Amazing.
Years later you are still defending /Russell, as if it was not something he did.
He was lazy. He was non-committed. He came in fat, and unprepared. He admitted he didn’t study the playbook. Team admitted he was given a blank dvd to study, where he was caught lying, saying he studied it.
Team admitted that he only knew 30% of the plays at a time he should have known all the plays.
The list is long.
Your memory,on the other hand, is pretty much gone.
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Dude, quit making sht up. I need two links from you:
1. Where did J.R. “admit that he didn’t study the playbook”??
2. Where did the “team admit he was given a blank dvd”???
I don’t want hearsay, I want cold hard facts!
December 11th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Its not funny that we end up 3-13 or 4-12
But the brite part is, we are up there in the Captains chair
Draft Day ! All in Good time , all in good time. !
I feel the worst days are behind us. RAIDERNATION will rise again. Hope we learn a lesson and you get better with your mistakes! Be proud we have the Attention of ESPN!
THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING — CHAMP !
December 11th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Watching cam newton this weekend reminded me of pryor and what he could do.
newton was unstoppable and has been for most of his brief career.
newton is the first player in history of the 90 plus year old nfl to throw for 30 tds and rush for 20 tds in his first two nfl seasons.
Read that again and let it sink in for a moment. that is 50 tds in less than 2 seasosn, and the guy is still getting better. he has only begun to scratch his potential.
best thing about newton , 4 weeks ago he went to his team mates called a meeting unprompted, and unbeknownst tot he coahces. cam apologized for his off field antics and on filed play, and wanted to make amends.
Well he has certainly done that over the last 5 weeks he has 12 tds and only 2 turn overs. The panthers are were 1-7 in the first 8 weeks, but they are 3-3 over the last 6 games.
This is amazing when you consider just how much rides on cam. the panthers have never won a game when cam throws a pick. This means the team simply isnt good enough to survive any mistakes he may make. Cam leads his team in rushing, this points to the fact that it is all about newton at this point.
Pryor has already gone through the humility phase, being suspended by college and the nfl and losing his high draft status and the money that comes with it. Riding the bench and so on also has ha d a huge impact.
I cant wait to see what he does between the lines on sunday, because he has already passed newton between the ears.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
In retrospect I have to admit the Raiders were culpable to some extent with Russell. The environment more than anything was not conducive to his growth and the players around him left a lot to be desired but all in all Russell was unprofessional and immature.
However it would have been wise to find a way to meet somewhere in the middle and try to biuld around his talent. If you look at what we’ve done at that position since he left we haven’t improved at all with the exception of Jason Campbell we haven’t improved much at all.
I would have loved to re-neg his contract down and sit him for a year or two under JC and let him get his head together and we may have saved ourselves from giving away draft picks and losing out on a HUGE investment. But as I said hindsight is always 20/20. We spent a 1st a 2nd and 3rd , 4th at that position since he was drafted and we still don’t have that position nailed down longterm. Yikes! this picks could have gone to strengthen the defense making us maybe a power in the AFC had things been different.
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In short, we jumped the gun. Al succumbed to the pressure of a lot of short-sighted fans and media members and to his notorious impatience, due in large part to his failing health. JR finished 2009 strong with the comeback win at Denver and solid mop-up duty against the Ravens. He worked hard all summer and led the offense in the weightroom. He kicked ass during the 1st mini-camp practice under Hue, cited by everyone as the best QB on the field. Then they give all his reps to JC and cut him a few days later. I’ve got no problem with the money he made here because he never gave up and went down swinging. If the Raiders wanted to flush $40 million down the drain, that’s their prerogative.
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Odd that of the 3/4 ppl I saw defending Russell’s horrible outings, which is Priest, you, and Seymour, that years later you three are still refusing to admit you were wrong.
No small coincidence you three are still viewed as lost and confused.
Facts are the players didn’t state what priest had posted. Was a bs post, from priest, that he made up.
Sappy that you, today, still buy in.
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You saying his teammates didn’t rave about him? Doesn’t Louis Murphy qualify as a teammate?? What a fckin joke!
http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/category/players/page/46/
December 11th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Mistic, would be happy if Pryor could duplicate or better Cam’s output. Could it be though that Cam is realising that kid on the NFL commercial is growing up pretty quick, and he’s now looking over his shoulder?
December 11th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Sorry Mistic, but any “athlete pulling down 10-20 mil. per season, or an entertainer likewise, can compare that to slavery,” has to be totally dreaming and in denial!
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not really
on the slave plantation some slaves had privileges. They ere allowed to eat scraps form masa’s table, they were giving occasional time off, and even had thier pick of slave women at times.
Not much difference in the context that owners are hundreds of millions and billions in some cases.
a few million is nothing to them, its scraps from the table.
why do you think other black athletes ripped him for it? they dont want him to expose the fact that atjhletes are neutered and will never speak out on race issues.
People who make their living entertaining white amerikkka, will never speak out
that is the cold hard truth
December 11th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Sorry Mistic, you lost me between the millions and billions. However, if my boss decides to drop me a few scraps from the table, in regards to millions of dollars, believe me pal, I’d gladly gobble them up!
December 11th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
We can’t fix everything in one day. So should we start with the Coaches or the Players?
NAME THAT TUNE !
December 11th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Mistic, would be happy if Pryor could duplicate or better Cam’s output. Could it be though that Cam is realising that kid on the NFL commercial is growing up pretty quick, and he’s now looking over his shoulder?
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cam is no different than any other 23 year old super star, he is learning though that he must find a way to keep the media and fan perception on his side.
he is committed to getting better and it has shown over the last 5 weeks.
Cam also realized thanks to warren moon that he will be judged far more harshly than his white counter parts.
Nobdy has anything to say when dan marino, or boomer esiaison or rich gannon were pricks after a loss. nobody has a problem with blain gabbert having a huge ego, or phillip rivers.
yet cam is being ripped as if he invented ego.
Good for cam
December 11th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Actually Mistic, I’m almost assured that there fans of the respected clubs of dan marino, boomer esiason, and rich gannon were pricks after a loss. Problem is that when they were playing, these blogs were not around for us to view our opinions worldwide, as is today.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Raider ( since1967)
★★★★★★★
Heads will roll Project -Who — — — — — ?
What Department. — — — — — — — — ?
December 11th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
why does Christian ponder have a job?
He sucks out loud and has thrown for less than 150 yards 5 times this year. Why did the vikes dump mcnabb for ponder?
If they did it why can we do it here? pryor needs starts, not gimmick plays when the defenses expects a called qb run when he enters the game.
Knapp and the boys have no clue what to do with pryor
December 11th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Sorry Mistic, but any “athlete pulling down 10-20 mil. per season, or an entertainer likewise, can compare that to slavery,” has to be totally dreaming and in denial!
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not really
on the slave plantation some slaves had privileges. They ere allowed to eat scraps form masa’s table, they were giving occasional time off, and even had thier pick of slave women at times.
Not much difference in the context that owners are hundreds of millions and billions in some cases.
a few million is nothing to them, its scraps from the table.
why do you think other black athletes ripped him for it? they dont want him to expose the fact that atjhletes are neutered and will never speak out on race issues.
People who make their living entertaining white amerikkka, will never speak out
that is the cold hard truth
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Damn.
Bitter and resentful? Party of one. Table is ready.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Wow, you guys are still talking about Soup and JaMayonnaise? Talk about making glue. The horse is dead, stop beating it already….
December 11th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Cam also realized thanks to warren moon that he will be judged far more harshly than his white counter parts.
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But people gave guys like Alex Smith, Mark Sanchez, Matt Cassel, etc… equal amounts of $h!t. Tony Romo is another example.
December 11th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
When Cam Newton becomes a Raider, that is the day I will a $#it about him. Meanwhile, he’s just another dude on the east coast…
December 11th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Actually Mistic, I’m almost assured that there fans of the respected clubs of dan marino, boomer esiason, and rich gannon were pricks after a loss. Problem is that when they were playing, these blogs were not around for us to view our opinions worldwide, as is today.
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im not talking about fans, we already no that the majority of football fans are racist idiots.
Im speaking of the media and how they have characterized cam.
They dont go after and have never gone after the guys i mentioned for thier post game demeanor after a loss, yet they expect cam to buck dance and shuffle while whistling dixie.
Sickening
December 11th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
*give*
December 11th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Sorry Mistic, but any “athlete pulling down 10-20 mil. per season, or an entertainer likewise, can compare that to slavery,” has to be totally dreaming and in denial!
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not really
on the slave plantation some slaves had privileges. They ere allowed to eat scraps form masa’s table, they were giving occasional time off, and even had thier pick of slave women at times.
Not much difference in the context that owners are hundreds of millions and billions in some cases.
a few million is nothing to them, its scraps from the table.
why do you think other black athletes ripped him for it? they dont want him to expose the fact that atjhletes are neutered and will never speak out on race issues.
People who make their living entertaining white amerikkka, will never speak out
that is the cold hard truth
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Damn.
Bitter and resentful? Party of one. Table is ready.
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bitter? not hardly. resentful? not at all
i am honest though, and that is the world as it truly is
December 11th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Mistic, agree would like to see Pryor given a chance ina meaning game. As far as Christian Ponder? Doesn’t concern me one little bit, he’s a vike, my only concern is THE RAIDERS!
December 11th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Cam also realized thanks to warren moon that he will be judged far more harshly than his white counter parts.
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But people gave guys like Alex Smith, Mark Sanchez, Matt Cassel, etc… equal amounts of $h!t. Tony Romo is another example.
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i have never seen or heard any of those guys you mentioned being ripped for being terse with the media following a loss.
In fact most of the time the non black qb is characterized as being heroic in this situation. “he is clearly ticked off about the loss” he is a leader”…and so on
The minute cam did it he was lambasted
December 11th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Mistic, agree would like to see Pryor given a chance ina meaning game. As far as Christian Ponder? Doesn’t concern me one little bit, he’s a vike, my only concern is THE RAIDERS!
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i mention ponder and you can add gabbert as well for a few reasons.
Both had huge questions coming into the nfl about if they could be a franchise qb.
both replaced aging vets that were no longer good enough to lead wins on thier own, mcnabb and garrard respectively. Much like carson.
Both have supplanted the former starter, and both have struggled mightily since getting the nod.
Both have struggled for going on 2 complete seasons.
I dont see why pryor shouldnt get the same look. Our team is exactly where jax and minni were beofre they made the qb switch.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
big pep Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
10 fucn years of draft bust after draft bust, and cork is pissed off because JOHN KINGDOM AND BRUCE KEBRIC were let go as scouts.
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If that’s what Steve said, then he’s correct-again.
Letting known scouts go for people that you’re friendly with isn’t a good idea generally speaking.
Kind of like letting a known-if very average-center go so you can start a guy at center who’s always played left guard.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
I’ve read numerous comments from you, Mistic, how you never play the race card. How you never say anything racist. How you just discuss CP.
So much for that.
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Oh no not the hu jack thing again
Hue committed the ultimate sin for a black man in sports you dont bite the hand that feeds you.
owners are called owners for a reason, they own the team, they own the players and coaches, and they own the keys to thier employees future earnings to large extent.
Hue spoke out of school, and he had to be taught by the nfl , old biys network, a lesson.
this is why in a league where his offense was one of the best ion football he wasnt even offerd an oc position on any other team.
This is probably why he hasnt found a college gig either, cal im looking at you.
this is the main reason athletes and entertainers WILL NEVER SPEAK ON REAL ISSUES THAT AFFECT THE COMMUNITIES THEY ARE FROM, THEY ARE OWNED.
Adrian Peterson made a good point ;’its like slavery”
December 11th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
And you then, Mistic, take the opportunity to not just turn it again into a race rant, but followed the above post with the following.
Please never state again you aren’t racist, and that you aren’t here to push the racial button.
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Sorry Mistic, but any “athlete pulling down 10-20 mil. per season, or an entertainer likewise, can compare that to slavery,” has to be totally dreaming and in denial!
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not really
on the slave plantation some slaves had privileges. They ere allowed to eat scraps form masa’s table, they were giving occasional time off, and even had thier pick of slave women at times.
Not much difference in the context that owners are hundreds of millions and billions in some cases.
a few million is nothing to them, its scraps from the table.
why do you think other black athletes ripped him for it? they dont want him to expose the fact that atjhletes are neutered and will never speak out on race issues.
People who make their living entertaining white amerikkka, will never speak out
that is the cold hard truth
December 11th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Cam newtons 72 yard td run was unreal!!!!
we already know pryor CAN do that, he will surprise people with how well he throws the ball.
Sit carson down that loser never earned the job in direct competition and has led 6 straight embarrassing beat downs, with 9 straight games with a pick.
You could set your watch by palmers bone headed turn overs.
THIS STAFF IS CLUELESS…AND GUTLESS?!?!?!/
December 11th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
This is comedy.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
This board is disgusting.
The mods allow all this racist crap, and do nothing about it.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Whether you liked Hue or not…or hated his manicure visits or his “bluster” what the hell did he do that was so dang awful that an 8-8 rookie HC deserved to get canned?
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DJ, I think I can answer that.
I liked Hue. Loved his aggressive, exciting style. Loved the way he spoke about the Raids and ‘Coach’ Davis.
I don’t think he deserved to get canned.
But I understand why he was.
From a purely tactical coaching standpoint, he made several bad errors. Remember not kicking the FG against Cleveland ? Not going for two against Detroit ?
Pretty bad errors, compounded by him not admitting he goofed up.
Then you have the back to back blowout losses against Miami and Green Bay, when the Raids were in the drivers seat to take the division.
Enough to get fired for ? Debatable, but in my opinion – no. Not sufficient grounds to can him.
There is no doubt in my mind that Hue was fired by Mark Davis.
You’ve got to look at this from MD’s perspective.
He’s stepping into his dad’s shoes, trying to fill that void.
He admits he’s not a ‘football man’.
There is absolutely no doubt that he’s going to bring a GM to run the show.
And here is Hue after the SD debacle talking about how he’s going to be making more decisions and having a greater say in matters.
If you’re MD, your faced with a situation where your ultimate authority is being challenged and Hue’s ability to fit comfortably into the upcoming organizational restructure is in doubt.
Perhaps a more authoritative, secure owner would have attempted to smooth things out and keep Hue on after delineating his vision of the way the ‘new’ Raiders would operate – but MD probably felt it was better and easier to just part company with HJax.
Of course, this is just an educated guess as to what went on ‘behind the scenes’ – no one really knows besides the players in this drama themselves – but I think it’s a pretty good guess.
I liked Hue and wish he was still around.
Don’t like Tits, can’t stand Krapp, and have little or no faith in RM or MD.
These are dark days, but it is what it is.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
I’d like to see Pryor get a start or two. Let him game plan the whole week, start a game. Not like we’re scoring on the first drive in ANY game any how.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
And you then, Mistic, take the opportunity to not just turn it again into a race rant, but followed the above post with the following.
Please never state again you aren’t racist, and that you aren’t here to push the racial button.
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Pointing out or admitting that racism exist in sports does not make one a racists.
I am not familiar with any so called “racial button’ pushing. race is a real issues that exist independently of any actions i take or words i say. I would never dismiss the issue as if it could go away or be turned off with a push of a button.
I think it unwise for any black person to act as he race issue is a game, to be turned on and off stoked or extinguished. failing to make mention of it will not bring it to an end.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Prior’s not going to start in the next three games.
He’s going to play but so are a whole bunch of other guys that Allen wants to watch in a game before the end of the year.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Pryor is 230 lbs and runs a 4.4 forty.
Why would you want to play a guy like that?
This is the stupidest coaching staff in Raider history.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Prior’s not going to start in the next three games.
He’s going to play but so are a whole bunch of other guys that Allen wants to watch in a game before the end of the year.
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this is an unacceptable coaching gaff of monumental proportions.
There is absolutely nothing to gain by playing carson palmer at this point in the season. he will not lead a playoff run, is only now risking injury and his stock drops with every turnover filled loss.
pryor is behind the qb’s that came in his class and now some of the rookies. we need him on the field for the rest of the season to speed up his process.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Kirk Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Pryor is 230 lbs and runs a 4.4 forty.
Why would you want to play a guy like that?
This is the stupidest coaching staff in Raider history.
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This staff is waiting for Peyton Manning to fall into their laps, or something like that. If grown men can not recognize that there have been situations where certain packages with Pryor could have benefited us, then I do not want those grown men coaching my team or attempting to develop the QB talent we have.
Seriously, these guys have Carson Palmer throwing 50 times a game. This is just the kind of staff that would be good for ruining a young talent like Pryor. No thanks. I’m actually glad they havent been playing him, now that I think about it. Theyd probably call something that would have him killed in the first series.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
put pryor in the pistol with dmac or jones, use motions and play fakes for setting up sort passes, and option plays.
use a diamond back field with reece dmac and Stewart/jones, with pryor in the pistol. Once the defenses is sucked up trying to stop the zone runs and find the ball let pryor unload the cannon arm deep down field.
use bootlegs, zone reads and reverses. Th possibilities are endless
pryor could open the offense in ways that we have never seen.
That is of course if he actually is good enough to do it.
How will we ever know if we dont give him a shot.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Pryor has already gone through the humility phase, being suspended by college and the nfl and losing his high draft status and the money that comes with it. Riding the bench and so on also has ha d a huge impact.
I cant wait to see what he does between the lines on sunday, because he has already passed newton between the ears.
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Wow, you just called Cam REALLY stupid. How racist!
December 11th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Prior’s not going to start in the next three games.
He’s going to play but so are a whole bunch of other guys that Allen wants to watch in a game before the end of the year.
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Pryor should have already seen the field.
It’s BS and an indictment of this staff that he hasn’t even been active until the last 2 weeks.
You telling me that there weren’t times the Raids could have used him thus far ? Not one instance ?
How about that brilliant play call on 4th and 1 in Cincy where Krappy ran Schmidt right up the gut ?
You telling me that some sort of package utilizing Pryor in that situation isn’t preferable to what Krapp went with ?
They’re finally going to give TP a chance now ?
Whooopdeefreakingdoo.
Hey, what’s next ? Maybe give Taiwan a look ? Oh yeah, as a DB.
This staff is a fkng joke.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
I have a feeling the raiders are gonna take jarvis jones in the draft…
December 11th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Kirk Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Pryor is 230 lbs and runs a 4.4 forty.
Why would you want to play a guy like that?
This is the stupidest coaching staff in Raider history.
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Lol. And yet we get to look forward to another year of it.
December 11th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Post 277 truth.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
put pryor in the pistol with dmac or jones, use motions and play fakes for setting up sort passes, and option plays.
use a diamond back field with reece dmac and Stewart/jones, with pryor in the pistol. Once the defenses is sucked up trying to stop the zone runs and find the ball let pryor unload the cannon arm deep down field.
use bootlegs, zone reads and reverses. Th possibilities are endless
pryor could open the offense in ways that we have never seen.
That is of course if he actually is good enough to do it.
How will we ever know if we dont give him a shot.
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Everything mentioned would be a nice way to put up yards on top of yards on top of yards. This all should have AT LEAST been attempted all pre-season. These coaches have been paid all year to baby sit, cause they damn sure have not been coaching.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Pryor just seems like a natural fit with dmac. Dmac became a star running a zone option offense, and was known as the wild hog offense.
pryor had zone option as aprt of the offense he ran at Ohio state, and was one of the best players in the big 10 every year.
Putting pryor and dmac in the back field to do what they do best seems like a no brainier to me.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Start Pryor just for the sake of our Franchise record books. No way CP3 should soil Gannon’s record this season.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Pryor just seems like a natural fit with dmac. Dmac became a star running a zone option offense, and was known as the wild hog offense.
pryor had zone option as aprt of the offense he ran at Ohio state, and was one of the best players in the big 10 every year.
Putting pryor and dmac in the back field to do what they do best seems like a no brainier to me.
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It works in Madden, doesn’t it?
Admit it.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
277.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
put pryor in the pistol with dmac or jones, use motions and play fakes for setting up sort passes, and option plays.
use a diamond back field with reece dmac and Stewart/jones, with pryor in the pistol. Once the defenses is sucked up trying to stop the zone runs and find the ball let pryor unload the cannon arm deep down field.
use bootlegs, zone reads and reverses. Th possibilities are endless
pryor could open the offense in ways that we have never seen.
That is of course if he actually is good enough to do it.
How will we ever know if we dont give him a shot.
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Slow down there buddy, Let’s just see how he does in Greg Knapps “3 Step drop and Hold it” offense since it seems we’re going to be taking a Dirt Knapp for at least one more year.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Yo mistic,…Im hear to tell ya,…Pryor isnt a qb, and DMC isnt a rb,…those two arent football players,..you can pine away for Pryor all you like,..the staff sees him daily,..and all they say to each other is why in the Hell did Al Davis give up a 3rd for him….Pryor is not a Raider in about three weeks. Ok?…now get on with your life man.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
288.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Yo mistic,…Im hear to tell ya,…Pryor isnt a qb, and DMC isnt a rb,…those two arent football players,..you can pine away for Pryor all you like,..the staff sees him daily,..and all they say to each other is why in the Hell did Al Davis give up a 3rd for him….Pryor is not a Raider in about three weeks. Ok?…now get on with your life man.
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So McFadden’s last year was just a fluke?
December 11th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Gdog Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Pryor just seems like a natural fit with dmac. Dmac became a star running a zone option offense, and was known as the wild hog offense.
pryor had zone option as aprt of the offense he ran at Ohio state, and was one of the best players in the big 10 every year.
Putting pryor and dmac in the back field to do what they do best seems like a no brainier to me.
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It works in Madden, doesn’t it?
Admit it.
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lol I dont play video games.
Those are the offenses they ran in college, and they were stars doing it.
This is a matter of record, look it up.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
pryor could open the offense in ways that we have never seen.
That is of course if he actually is good enough to do it.
How will we ever know if we dont give him a shot.
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How will we ever now if Jason Foster can supplant Cooper Carlisle if we don’t give him a shot this year? How can we know that King will be a good enough punter next season if Lechler isn’t retained unless we play him right now? How come *I* haven’t been given a shot to play NT, since Seymour and gang aren’t cutting it.
Oh, maybe it’s because none of the above have earned it by being good enough in practice. So why is there this ASSUMPTION that Pryor has been oh so good yet he’s being held back. And then when Corkran, a guy who’s seen Pryor in practice more than everyone of us on this blog combined says he doesn’t see him as starter material, it’s more conspiracy?
You’re right in that Pryor COULD be good. But it’s much more likely that he will be lousy based on all the evidence that we have. Hell, it’s possible that *I* could be good at NT (despite getting down to a trim 185 LBs of late) but it’s really, really unlikely. So why not have the Raiders brass make the informed decisions that we aren’t capable of due to lack of actual observation time and stop pretending to know more than they do.
Oh wait, if we did that then this blog would have like 5 posts a day. Never mind. Dream on.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
McFaddens last year?…lol…no it wasnt a fluke,..he faked an injury for a couple months,..no fluke.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
FROM CHUCK BRESNAHAN TO ROB RYAN TO TARVER..WHATS THE PATTERN HERE ? PLAYERS,COACHES OR BOTH ?
December 11th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Kirk Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Pryor is 230 lbs and runs a 4.4 forty.
Why would you want to play a guy like that?
This is the stupidest coaching staff in Raider history.
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Stupid as they are, they put in a system that’s over Pryor’s capacity to run. What does that say about his single digit Wonderlic scoring lack of grey matter?
December 11th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
292.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
McFaddens last year?…lol…no it wasnt a fluke,..he faked an injury for a couple months,..no fluke.
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Well he was having a career year, so it makes sense
December 11th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Ron Bartell was just on 95.7 The Game, and had some interesting things to say…
Question: If there is a lot of talent on this team, why are they 3-10?
Answer: “Injuries. When you get injuries you need people to step up, but the Raiders are not very deep.”
Question: Could the coaching staff gotten more out of this group of players..
Answer: “I think as a player you have to look at yourself and own what you are putting on the field. I think this is a very competent coaching staff. It’s a young staff, but I think they can grow to be a pretty good staff. I think the world of Dennis Alan. I think he has the makings of a pretty good coach. So I don’t necessarily want to say it’s the coaching, because as a player.. Sometimes it’s not the coaching. You know, we have a responsibility as a player. If guys are not doing what they are supposed to be doing on ever single down, you know, you have to look in the mirror and you have to own that. I can say, defensively, we weren’t doing what we needed to do every single down.”
He also said, “Guys just have to buy into what is being taught and go out there and do it. You have to do it every single down. You can’t do it 90% of the time and think that is going to get the job one. You know, you have to do it 100% of the time. If you’re a defensive linemen you have to stay in your gap. If you’re a linebacker, you have to set the edge. If you’re a cornerback you have to stay in coverage If you’re a safety you have to stay deep. I mean that’s football 101. And those are the type of breakdowns we had on the defensive side of the ball, which has nothing to do with coaching.”
Question: So your saying the players have bought into the coaches this season?
Answer: “Yeah..Yeah… The coaches have the respect of those players over there. They have the respect of them. The guys just have to do their job. It’s as simple as that.”
December 11th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
put pryor in the pistol with dmac or jones, use motions and play fakes for setting up sort passes, and option plays.
use a diamond back field with reece dmac and Stewart/jones, with pryor in the pistol. Once the defenses is sucked up trying to stop the zone runs and find the ball let pryor unload the cannon arm deep down field.
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The problem with this (and you are now seeing DC’s start to catch up with this offense) is they will start to stack the zone. Leave one high safety and have the other 10 players in the box. That will be very hard to run on and cut off those short passes that you suggest. The reason you don’t see this same call against a Brady or Manning is they can go deep easily and burn this defense. But It will make a QB like Kaepernick or Pryor complete that deep pass, which neither of them have been known for accuracy so that might be a big problem for them.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
People still keep feeding Mistic and get s8ckered into his Palmer and wave of future talk? SMH
December 11th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Maybe this team isnt buying in because they played for an real coach lasy year. They were in a system that got them within 1 game of the playoff last year now theyre in one that has them in position to snag the 1st pick in the draft… Hard to get guys to buy in when the product you had was better. Bartell played for the 2-14 rams last year so hes use to a loser azz coach, id like to hear the thoughts of someone who played here last year opinion of DA.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
C’mon Jackie Bibby , Ron Bartell isn’t even on the roster anymore and he said it like it is, players are not doing their jobs, he said they’re not deep in talent, what more do you need to know?
December 11th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
put pryor in the pistol with dmac or jones, use motions and play fakes for setting up sort passes, and option plays.
use a diamond back field with reece dmac and Stewart/jones, with pryor in the pistol. Once the defenses is sucked up trying to stop the zone runs and find the ball let pryor unload the cannon arm deep down field.
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The problem with this (and you are now seeing DC’s start to catch up with this offense) is they will start to stack the zone. Leave one high safety and have the other 10 players in the box. That will be very hard to run on and cut off those short passes that you suggest. The reason you don’t see this same call against a Brady or Manning is they can go deep easily and burn this defense. But It will make a QB like Kaepernick or Pryor complete that deep pass, which neither of them have been known for accuracy so that might be a big problem for them.
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Tebow was able to hit that pass! No question in my mind that Kap or Pryor would routinely be able to make that D pat.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
That pistol offense looks like it works pretty well for RG3…
December 11th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
And based on post #296 it looks like for the ten millionth time a guy in the NFL has refuted what 99% of you all believe. Unless he is lying as someone suggested yesterday.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
put pryor in the pistol with dmac or jones, use motions and play fakes for setting up sort passes, and option plays.
use a diamond back field with reece dmac and Stewart/jones, with pryor in the pistol. Once the defenses is sucked up trying to stop the zone runs and find the ball let pryor unload the cannon arm deep down field.
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The problem with this (and you are now seeing DC’s start to catch up with this offense) is they will start to stack the zone. Leave one high safety and have the other 10 players in the box. That will be very hard to run on and cut off those short passes that you suggest. The reason you don’t see this same call against a Brady or Manning is they can go deep easily and burn this defense. But It will make a QB like Kaepernick or Pryor complete that deep pass, which neither of them have been known for accuracy so that might be a big problem for them.
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http://youtu.be/3B60GBLuGsI
I believe pryor is a very good deep passer, and he can also do it on the move
Lets let him air it out to one of our speedsters, when the defense is staking the box or blitzing
December 11th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Same ole depressing blog when Jackie Bibby and Mist1c are present, good luck with these idiots, see you guys after a new post
December 11th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
That pistol offense looks like it works pretty well for RG3…
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There are reasons for that. lst off as I posted above, Griffin III can complete the deep pass. He is VERY accurate. 2ndly, RGIII plays incredibly fast. Much faster than the defenses who are confused by this option offense. But defenses will counter and figure it out, as I just laid out how I would attack it. But again, if you saw their last game, how much do you really want your franchise Q taking licks out there? Would you want Brady to get his knee torn up running around if you were a New England fan? I don’t think so.
December 11th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
I believe pryor is a very good deep passer, and he can also do it on the move
Lets let him air it out to one of our speedsters, when the defense is staking the box or blitzing
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That’s what would need to happen. And again, it is one thing if a 190 pound safety is coming off the edge, and you go 6′6″, 235. It’s another thing if a 265 lb defensive end is free up, and runs just as fast as that 190lb college safety. And not only that but the speedsters you talk about, the opponents have 4.2 guys back there defending. That’s what Russell found out. Things he could do in college got picked in the pro’s.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
And based on post #296 it looks like for the ten millionth time a guy in the NFL has refuted what 99% of you all believe. Unless he is lying as someone suggested yesterday.
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Yeah Seymour,
I listen to 95.7 pretty much everyday. And hear from tons of Raiders beat writers say the major issue is the talent on this team, and mistakes that have nothing to do with the coach. But, Bartell was just cut by the Raiders, and still said the same thing.
Im not saying DA is gonna be an HO coach or anything, but I do think that there are so many fans on here that are quick to blame the easier targets and not look at the bigger picture.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Bartell on the biggest disappointment of the season:
‘Because of the amount of talent on this team, we should have been better’.
It’s the coaching people.
Bartell is a classy guy and avoided burning the bridege. He said DA can grow to eventually be a ‘pretty good’ coach.
Wow he might be ‘pretty good’ someday. Sounds awesome.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Bush,
The short passing and zone runs can force the defense to bring 8 or 9 men into the box. The defense also must now account for the qb’s ability to run so play action and boot legs are extremely effective and open huge seams in the defense.
That is where the deep passing come into play, with dmac or reece or both underneath.
This is what the panthers and redskins are making huge plays every week. We have some very explosive players and could do something similar.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Seriously, Can you all just agree to ignore Mistic? The less we pay attention to him the better.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
So our last 3 games are KV, Carolina, and SD.
All 3 are bottom dwellers.
Play Pryor and ANYONE that needs to be evaluated going into 2013.
It’s not as if we would be effecting the outcome of a playoff spot.
Lets play the young ones.
Screw the “Vets” as they’ve gotten us nowhere, and many won’t be back next year anyway.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
That pistol offense looks like it works pretty well for RG3…
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There are reasons for that. lst off as I posted above, Griffin III can complete the deep pass. He is VERY accurate. 2ndly, RGIII plays incredibly fast. Much faster than the defenses who are confused by this option offense. But defenses will counter and figure it out, as I just laid out how I would attack it. But again, if you saw their last game, how much do you really want your franchise Q taking licks out there? Would you want Brady to get his knee torn up running around if you were a New England fan? I don’t think so.
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Defenses will never figure out the zone read. When the QB can run and pass, defenders have to honor the play fakes. The goal is to get defenders to freeze or hesitate. Have defenses ever figured out play action? No! The zone read is here to stay.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Rudegruden Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Seriously, Can you all just agree to ignore Mistic? The less we pay attention to him the better.
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Sure, cross posting troll.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Ron bartell was part of the problem he better not say anything negative… You see how bad he got burnt sunday after sunday hes the weakest link. Hes not good enough to say anything negative and get a job else where. He can say what he want but the teams play speaks for me and it says it all. Da sucks and I dont need ron bartell to tell me he does…
December 11th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Can’t believe I read Priest say Vince Young is a better QB than Cutler. lol
Interesting so far what a player on the roster and another released, said about the coaching staff,
December 11th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
That pistol offense looks like it works pretty well for RG3…
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I do not think this team needs to associate itself with anymore “gun play”. Just sayin.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
I believe pryor is a very good deep passer, and he can also do it on the move
Lets let him air it out to one of our speedsters, when the defense is staking the box or blitzing
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That’s what would need to happen. And again, it is one thing if a 190 pound safety is coming off the edge, and you go 6′6″, 235. It’s another thing if a 265 lb defensive end is free up, and runs just as fast as that 190lb college safety. And not only that but the speedsters you talk about, the opponents have 4.2 guys back there defending. That’s what Russell found out. Things he could do in college got picked in the pro’s.
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Russell couldn’t do the things in college that he did in the pros because he didn’t have the skill players or protection he needed at this level. And I’m not talking about having All-Pros at every position like Matt Ryan has. Just a few competent guys. Look what he was able to do with a healthy Chaz? Going out there without protection and DHB as a rookie, he was at a competitve disadvantage for every game he played. And he still won games. He wasn’t lucky enough to come to a team that drafted Calvin Johnson the year before like Stafford. It was going to take time and Al got impatient. Hell, five years later, our skill positions still leave you wanting.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Can’t believe I read Priest say Vince Young is a better QB than Cutler. lol
Interesting so far what a player on the roster and another released, said about the coaching staff,
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I wanted VY coming out of Texas, loved his knack for winning, His wheels etc…
Something went wrong along the way.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Can’t believe I read Priest say Vince Young is a better QB than Cutler. lol
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Well as I posted above a lot of fans here say a lot of things. Just so happens 99% of it is refuted by someone who is actually in the league. Vince Young may very well be better than Jay Cutler, it’s just that no one NEAR the actual NFL believes that.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Russell couldn’t do the things in college that he did in the pros because he didn’t have the skill players or protection he needed at this level. And I’m not talking about having All-Pros at every position like Matt Ryan has. Just a few competent guys. Look what he was able to do with a healthy Chaz? Going out there without protection and DHB as a rookie, he was at a competitve disadvantage for every game he played. And he still won games. He wasn’t lucky enough to come to a team that drafted Calvin Johnson the year before like Stafford. It was going to take time and Al got impatient. Hell, five years later, our skill positions still leave you wanting.
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I defended JaMarcus as long as possible.
I said things like, He can make throws that nobody in the NFL can make.
He’s young and immature…hopefully he will “get it”
It never materialized, and when I learned about the whole purple drank thing, I was done.
His ambition to play is lacking, as he has so clearly demonstrated since he was released.
To bad. I had high expectations for him.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Bush,
The short passing and zone runs can force the defense to bring 8 or 9 men into the box. The defense also must now account for the qb’s ability to run so play action and boot legs are extremely effective and open huge seams in the defense.
That is where the deep passing come into play, with dmac or reece or both underneath.
This is what the panthers and redskins are making huge plays every week. We have some very explosive players and could do something similar.
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I agree with you here. That’s why I literally said bring ten up. Now again, you have to commit a couple of players, one to the lst read, and then let the defense react from there. The thing about the way my defense is designed without getting too involved is the best thing the Q could do to break it would be complete the deep pass with man under against a single high. But you would have to be able to complete that pass…
December 11th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
That pistol offense looks like it works pretty well for RG3…
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There are reasons for that. lst off as I posted above, Griffin III can complete the deep pass. He is VERY accurate. 2ndly, RGIII plays incredibly fast. Much faster than the defenses who are confused by this option offense. But defenses will counter and figure it out, as I just laid out how I would attack it. But again, if you saw their last game, how much do you really want your franchise Q taking licks out there? Would you want Brady to get his knee torn up running around if you were a New England fan? I don’t think so.
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Bush,
you also said defenses would figure out how to stop cam newton and that hasnt happened either.
Why would I believe they could figure out cam newton and rgIII, based on what you say as opposed to what game film & sunday says?
December 11th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Can’t believe I read Priest say Vince Young is a better QB than Cutler. lol
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Well as I posted above a lot of fans here say a lot of things. Just so happens 99% of it is refuted by someone who is actually in the league. Vince Young may very well be better than Jay Cutler, it’s just that no one NEAR the actual NFL believes that.
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May be true now. But VY did get drafted before Cutler. I’ve always liked the guy, but I’m really starting to wonder about him. He’s not playing well.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:33 am
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December 11th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Great players find ways to win.
If Cam and RGIII are to be great, they will find ways to win, regardless of what a Defense does.
This holds true for all QB’s imo, with the understanding that the QB has to have at least average talent around Him.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Russell couldn’t do the things in college that he did in the pros because he didn’t have the skill players or protection he needed at this level. And I’m not talking about having All-Pros at every position like Matt Ryan has. Just a few competent guys. Look what he was able to do with a healthy Chaz? Going out there without protection and DHB as a rookie, he was at a competitve disadvantage for every game he played. And he still won games. He wasn’t lucky enough to come to a team that drafted Calvin Johnson the year before like Stafford. It was going to take time and Al got impatient. Hell, five years later, our skill positions still leave you wanting.
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I defended JaMarcus as long as possible.
I said things like, He can make throws that nobody in the NFL can make.
He’s young and immature…hopefully he will “get it”
It never materialized, and when I learned about the whole purple drank thing, I was done.
His ambition to play is lacking, as he has so clearly demonstrated since he was released.
To bad. I had high expectations for him.
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What did you find out about Purple Drank?? With all the Palmer defenders in here, I would think that more people would understand that there are a lot of reasons why a QB, especially one as young as Russell was, would struggle. I only scratched the surface in my earlier post. I would argue that there isn’t a QB in history that would have made it hereduring that stretch. If Eli Manning had come out that year, he would have forced a trade.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Good grief. We’re not back to the “JaMarcus wasn’t a fazy lazy slug, he was just misunderstood” argument again, are we???
December 11th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
What did you find out about Purple Drank?? With all the Palmer defenders in here, I would think that more people would understand that there are a lot of reasons why a QB, especially one as young as Russell was, would struggle. I only scratched the surface in my earlier post. I would argue that there isn’t a QB in history that would have made it hereduring that stretch. If Eli Manning had come out that year, he would have forced a trade.
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Debo,
I’ve gone as far as I’m going to go regarding Russell.
His behavior, post release, completes the picture.
Sorry.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Good grief. We’re not back to the “JaMarcus wasn’t a fazy lazy slug, he was just misunderstood” argument again, are we???
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Unfortunately I guess it has come to that
December 11th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Good grief. We’re not back to the “JaMarcus wasn’t a fazy lazy slug, he was just misunderstood” argument again, are we???
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I’d say He’s understood at this point.
Actions always speak louder than words.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Free Jamarcus and Hue Jackson from blog topics!
December 11th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Victor Cotto @cottovic
Ron Bartell on #Raiders coaching staff: “You have to own it [player accountability]… this is a very competent staff.”
December 11th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Free Jamarcus and Hue Jackson from blog topics!
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LOL
I’d much rather be talking about Home Field advantage for the Playoffs.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
I defended JaMarcus as long as possible.
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So did I. In the end it was just two or three of us which is why Jamista Clown still refers to me as Debo. But my motivation was if Jamarcus Russell failed, it would set the franchise back 5 years possibly 10. It was imperative that he succeed.
Look at history: Ki-Jana Carter busted as an overall one and Cinncy sucked for 10 years until coincidentally Carson Palmer another all around one showed up and bailed them out. Tim Couch failed and Cleveland was horrible from 99-07 and they STILL have barely pulled it together. David Carr in Houston caused their franchise to flounder for five years, and it took Matt Schaub another couple of years to get onto a winning track. Having Russell sink took the franchise with it, but there was nothing you could do at that point. Russell had to go.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Dear Cork,
Thank you for kissing our collective a$$es.
Sincerely,
Tits & staff
December 11th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Bush,
you also said defenses would figure out how to stop cam newton and that hasnt happened either.
Why would I believe they could figure out cam newton and rgIII, based on what you say as opposed to what game film & sunday says?
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Uh, last time I looked Newton was 10-19 as a starter and in the bottom part in the league in TD passes. That is not very good unless I am missing something. He even lost to KC who is amongst the worst teams in the league two weeks ago. If it wasn’t for wins over a reeling Eagle team and an Atlanta team that rested a bunch of their players, he would have 9 losses in a row. Am I on some sort of other planet or does that suck and seem like the league has him figured out? Did you see Brady last night? The league does not have him figured out.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Last year Priest said Eli Manning was garbage.He said Locker would never be an NFL QB.He sid JC was better than both.He said Vick was one of the best QBs in the league-top 5 I believe.His opinions on QBs is just that-his opinion-and he isn’t right about them very often.
December 11th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Is it too early to think compensatory picks?
December 11th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
I really don’t think Cork is that brilliant analyzing football. I read a shocking comment by him and just stopped reading the rest of the live chat. It was absurd to say the offense lacks talent and to expect the Knapp’s return as a result. How can the offense lack so much talent, yet be a top 10 offense last year???? Its ridiculous on so many levels. Look at DMC then vs now (or DHB, or Moore, or the whole damn Oline).
This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about which really sucks.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Last year Priest said Eli Mann ing was garbage.He said Locker would never be an NFL QB.He sid JC was better than both.He said Vick was one of the best QBs in the league-top 5 I believe.His opinions on QBs is just that-his opinion-and he isn’t right about them very often.
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Truer words have rarely been spoken.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Debo, these guys in here have their own reality and it doesn’t include us. I was simply stating what everyone was reading including the blogger who used the words “Russell lit it up” at minicamp so I just reiterated it yet I’m called a liar. Just goes to show…they don’t want that type
***************************************************You saying his teammates didn’t rave about him? Doesn’t Louis Murphy qualify as a teammate?? What a fckin joke!
http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/category/players/page/46/
December 11th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Last year Priest said Eli Mann ing was garbage.He said Locker would never be an NFL QB.He sid JC was better than both.He said Vick was one of the best QBs in the league-top 5 I believe.His opinions on QBs is just that-his opinion-and he isn’t right about them very often.
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Truer words have rarely been spoken.
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In case you hadn’t noticed Einstein, Locker sucks! A little piece of advice: Watch the games!
December 11th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Bush,
you also said defenses would figure out how to stop cam newton and that hasnt happened either.
Why would I believe they could figure out cam newton and rgIII, based on what you say as opposed to what game film & sunday says?
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Uh, last time I looked Newton was 10-19 as a starter and in the bottom part in the league in TD passes. That is not very good unless I am missing something. He even lost to KC who is amongst the worst teams in the league two weeks ago. If it wasn’t for wins over a reeling Eagle team and an Atlanta team that rested a bunch of their players, he would have 9 losses in a row. Am I on some sort of other planet or does that suck and seem like the league has him figured out? Did you see Brady last night? The league does not have him figured out.
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And there you have it. Picking up the Daily Bugle and reading the box scores instead of watching the games. Lol! This is fking hilarious!!
December 11th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
December 11th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
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December 11th, 2012 at 3:33 am
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December 11th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Rudegruden Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Seriously, Can you all just agree to ignore Mistic? The less we pay attention to him the better.
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Sure, cross posting troll.
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I notice you post a lot, KoolKell.
Yet you never say anything.
You seem to be limited to calling everyone crossposting trolls.
Why is that?
December 11th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Bush,
you also said defenses would figure out how to stop cam newton and that hasnt happened either.
Why would I believe they could figure out cam newton and rgIII, based on what you say as opposed to what game film & sunday says?
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Uh, last time I looked Newton was 10-19 as a starter and in the bottom part in the league in TD passes. That is not very good unless I am missing something. He even lost to KC who is amongst the worst teams in the league two weeks ago. If it wasn’t for wins over a reeling Eagle team and an Atlanta team that rested a bunch of their players, he would have 9 losses in a row. Am I on some sort of other planet or does that suck and seem like the league has him figured out? Did you see Brady last night? The league does not have him figured out.
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And there you have it. Picking up the Daily Bugle and reading the box scores instead of watching the games. Lol! This is fking hilarious!!
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I read the box scores, as well as watched Russell look like total crap.
Did you see anything different?
Of course you didn’t.
You just don’t have the balls to admit you were wrong.
Small man syndrome.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
I’ll say it again Russell’s sins were not of a lack of talent. He was immature and unprofessional, he had a lot of money and was more interested in spending it at that time. But had he been given time to mature we would’ve been better off than we are now. That is why I say what I say alot of the time. Players need to develope both physically and mentally when they get to this level. It’s the culture of the NFL that puts an entire franchise on the back of a 21 year old kid and expect him to act as if he’s 31. They should never give those large sums of money to rookies with NO experience and expect them to measure up to it.
The NFL is the ONLY corporation in Americathat does that and then blame the players. What exactly do you expect from a kid at that age, it’s one thing if they have that ability but 90% will not. The NBA finally figured it out they have a rookie salary cap. The NFL is headed in the right direction but they need to stop piling money on these children and let them earn it first. Russell is just now starting to get to the poin t where he is ready to shoulder that kind of a load but he’s no longer a benefit to the org that drafted him but he has their money…………just how stupid is this system?
Don’t blame the players because you would take the money as well, ready or not. Very few rookies are worth even 3$million a year let alone $10. if they Raiders had given Russell a 3 year 8$million contract they could have afforded to sit him and develope him but the money ruined the entire process.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
I really don’t think Cork is that brilliant analyzing football. I read a shocking comment by him and just stopped reading the rest of the live chat. It was absurd to say the offense lacks talent and to expect the Knapp’s return as a result. How can the offense lack so much talent, yet be a top 10 offense last year???? Its ridiculous on so many levels. Look at DMC then vs now (or DHB, or Moore, or the whole damn Oline).
This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about which really sucks.
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Bingo
December 11th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
I wouldn’t buy into what Bartell is selling. These players around the league all talk great about each other, about the coaching staffs and all. ITS SO THEY CAN GET ANOTHER JOB!!!!
Who wants a guy that crucifies a coaching staff once he’s gone?
December 11th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Oh yeah, the coaching staff here is the best thing since slice bread …they will be really great one day ..blah blah blah.
Its all B.S. …look at the freakin numbers being produced on offense and defense and it tells you almost al you need to know.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
“There’s a lot of talent on this roster” Ron Bartell
OK if you Tits apologists are gonna hang on his every word you have to take this one too.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
I really don’t think Cork is that brilliant analyzing football. I read a shocking comment by him and just stopped reading the rest of the live chat. It was absurd to say the offense lacks talent and to expect the Knapp’s return as a result. How can the offense lack so much talent, yet be a top 10 offense last year???? Its ridiculous on so many levels. Look at DMC then vs now (or DHB, or Moore, or the whole damn Oline).
This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about which really sucks.
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Bingo
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The real issue is fans confuse these writers with football people and they’re not their reporters. They ask them football questions as if they know what they’re talking about and truthfully you’d be better off asking a drunk at the bar. They’re close to the team so they have a lot of information we aren’t privy to but that doesn’t make them football knowledgeable it just makes information conduits.
That’s really all they are, I remember MR telling me that Jerry McDonald knew more about football than Al Davis and I’m telling ya’ most of the people in here really believed that. All you have to do is look at the questions they ask.
Cork is a writer he isn’t a scout or GM or coach he’s a writer………..period
December 11th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Players can be going up against a 1-13 team Sunday and would sing their praises all week like they’re soooo dangerous and talented. hahaha. You see that sht all season.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Corkran gives his opinions on topics just as everyone on here does.You say his opinions suck.Did it ever occur to you that many on here might feel the same way about YOUR opinions?
December 11th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Journalist I should’ve said…
December 11th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Cork is a writer he isn’t a scout or GM or coach he’s a writer………..period
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You can say that again. I remember this guy basically trashing DHB last year only for DHB to come out and have a career season which could’ve been better save the injuries. I believe he was saying at the time Murphy was our best WR by far. And I could tell in his writings over the summer he was kiddy about Knapp. He still likes them all …him and DA. There are many more things I noticed in his writing but I just brushed them off. I realized years ago he didn’t know what he was talking about.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
you crack me up Lefty 12!
TRUTH
December 11th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
What are you talking about Lefty? My opinions are like gold …you should try cashing them in one day for a payout …I’m right almost all the time. lol.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Maybe Corks kids play softball with Knapp and DA’s kids? Out in the suburbs?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Wait, was that Terrapin sticking up for DHB??
Get outta here!
December 11th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
I’m hitchin my wagon to Taiwan Jones.
Start at the bottom, no where to go!
December 11th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
I heard some of that Bartell interview and it was revealing to sya the least. he said teh same thing I’ve been saying about McClain that he just needs to grow up. He said he was very talented just young, here is another kid they gave a lot of money to and he thinks he’s arrived based on his paycheck. Well he didn’t creat that system he just took advantage of it.
I said it about him weeks ago and I’ll say it again atlent wise he is our best LB he’s just immature and his approach is all wrong. he’s in a bad environment which allows him to be dismissive and sulky.
If he had a vet who was willing get in his face and bodyslam him he would fall in line. The coaches can’t develope him and the peer pressure isn’t there to hold him to a higher standard so we have a kid who has all the talent but is just immature and needs to grow up….period
December 11th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
DA get out.Take bottom lip with ya.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Maybe Corks kids play softball with Knapp and DA’s kids? Out in the suburbs?
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These guys are so desperate to absolve these guys of blame. The blowouts, regression, offense failures, record -setting defensive performances never get mentioned by them…or the fact that Hue was wayyyyyy better.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Theres plenty in here that swear they know more about football than people who are actually in the league or NFL insiders, scouts, ex GM’s, GM’s, Coaches…LOL
They predict 75 things wrong, get one right, and copy and paste it to the blog and say,”I predicted that!”
LOL
Don’t quit your day job, even if it’s being on here 14 hrs a day.
Of course there are some really good bloggers as well, which I look forward to reading their insight and observations.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Oh yeah, the coaching staff here is the best thing since slice bread …they will be really great one day ..blah blah blah.
Its all B.S. …look at the freakin numbers being produced on offense and defense and it tells you almost al you need to know.
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I have defended this staff, Mayock defended the staff on a national broadcast four days ago, Crokran did today, a future HOFer did and a guy who played for the team and just got cut loose did in the last 24 hours. Yet some of you want to kick and scream that everyone is wrong but you. The ones closest to the game go one way and most of you go another way. That should tell you something. Maybe you should calm down and get with the program.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
All the great teams have systems in place that takes young players and sets the expectation and holds them accountable and developes them so that they reach their potential.
We don’t have that in place yet, when a player sees that he knows more than a coach how can he respect the guy? When he sees that there is a double standard how can they respect the process? They wont, and that is the issue here you have players who are respected on this team who haven’t bought into the system because they see players getting doghoused for no reason while others are allowed concessions. YOU will NEVER biuld a team that way. DA speaks with forked tongue and they see it and know it.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Maybe Corks kids play softball with Knapp and DA’s kids? Out in the suburbs?
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Wow! If someone made that statement but said “in the inner city” instead of “out in the suburbs” all hell would break loose on here.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Seymour Bush, you’ve co-signed every decision the Raiders have made in the last 10 losing years, without question.
That doesn’t t make you an expert
December 11th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
All the great teams have systems in place that takes young players and sets the expectation and holds them accountable and developes them so that they reach their potential.
We don’t have that in place
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Yet we have a new hierarchy that is trying to accomplish this due to the untimely death of the owner and you and many others on here want them gone after less than one season because they aren’t doing things the way YOU want them done.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Seymour Bush, you’ve co-signed every decision the Raiders have made in the last 10 losing years, without question.
That doesn’t t make you an expert
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No I have not. But what drinking a little early tonight? Is your wife out all night playing “bridge” again?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
People sure complicate excuses for this mess of a team right now when in reality it is plainly simple. Mark blew it when he hired Reggie to fire Hue. Then Reggie blew it when he hired DA. And DA really blew it when he hired knapp. They have trashed what coulda been a good team with HueJax. All we needed was a new DC and to keep Bush. Now it is a footnote in Raider history to go along with a record setting season of futility. It is that simple. It is so clear it’s breathtaking.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
All the great teams have systems in place that takes young players and sets the expectation and holds them accountable and developes them so that they reach their potential.
We don’t have that in place yet, when a player sees that he knows more than a coach how can he respect the guy? When he sees that there is a double standard how can they respect the process? They wont, and that is the issue here you have players who are respected on this team who haven’t bought into the system because they see players getting doghoused for no reason while others are allowed concessions. YOU will NEVER biuld a team that way. DA speaks with forked tongue and they see it and know it
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Al Davis didn’t do any of the above.
He doghoused Marcus Allen because Allen dared to not kiss his ass.
He had the double standard of putting a head coach out there, even though every head coach, and every player knew that Al made the final decisions, and routinely overruled the head coach.
The list is long of Al’s faceplants.
You conveniently forget all that?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
People sure complicate excuses for this mess of a team right now when in reality it is plainly simple. Mark blew it when he hired Reggie to fire Hue.
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That’s pretty simple thinking I will give you that.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
People sure complicate excuses for this mess of a team right now when in reality it is plainly simple. Mark blew it when he hired Reggie to fire Hue. Then Reggie blew it when he hired DA. And DA really blew it when he hired knapp. They have trashed what coulda been a good team with HueJax. All we needed was a new DC and to keep Bush. Now it is a footnote in Raider history to go along with a record setting season of futility. It is that simple. It is so clear it’s breathtaking.
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So Mark blew it.
Then Reggie blew it.
Then DA.
Then Knapp.
So everyone blew it?
Not looking good for the future.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Oh yeah, the coaching staff here is the best thing since slice bread …they will be really great one day ..blah blah blah.
Its all B.S. …look at the freakin numbers being produced on offense and defense and it tells you almost al you need to know.
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I have defended this staff, Mayock defended the staff on a national broadcast four days ago, Crokran did today, a future HOFer did and a guy who played for the team and just got cut loose did in the last 24 hours. Yet some of you want to kick and scream that everyone is wrong but you. The ones closest to the game go one way and most of you go another way. That should tell you something. Maybe you should calm down and get with the program.
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To be frank, it would be hard pressed for me to think of times when people in the league or covering the league (annoucers)get critical of coaches. Sometimes ppl covering the league will opine but its really rare.
Case in point, Romeo Cren. sucking all those years w/ the Brownies. You barely heard a peep from anyone. The most you would really hear is so-n-so is on the hotseat and may be fired at the end of the season. No one goes out and make a case as to why so-n-so should be fired.
Another example, NOT ONCE during that entire broadcast Thursday did they even mention how good this offense was last year or did a comparable graphic. NOT ONCE!!! Oh but DA & Knapp are soooo great …baaaahhhahahaha …Mayock has a feeling about him. Yet they never showed a comparable. NEVER!!! To me, when you want to explain why a team is bad that would be an obvious starting point because they were not that bad last year.
These guys say the same thing about everyone. No one is ever really critical or calls it like it is (save Stephen A., and I think he believes the coaches should be fired). They all want a job and they all want access. Its an exclusive club and you have to speak the language to say in.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
No I have not. But what drinking a little early tonight? Is your wife out all night playing “bridge” again?
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Ah, the original cross poster going there, eh?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
In this corner we have tr0ll number #1 wearing a red tu tu. In this corner we have tr0ll #2 wearing a pink boa.
Ding Ding Ding
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Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Seymour Bush, you’ve co-signed every decision the Raiders have made in the last 10 losing years, without question.
That doesn’t t make you an expert
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No I have not. But what drinking a little early tonight? Is your wife out all night playing “bridge” again?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
I heard some of that Bartell interview and it was revealing to sya the least. he said teh same thing I’ve been saying about McClain that he just needs to grow up. He said he was very talented just young, here is another kid they gave a lot of money to and he thinks he’s arrived based on his paycheck. Well he didn’t creat that system he just took advantage of it.
I said it about him weeks ago and I’ll say it again atlent wise he is our best LB he’s just immature and his approach is all wrong. he’s in a bad environment which allows him to be dismissive and sulky.
If he had a vet who was willing get in his face and bodyslam him he would fall in line. The coaches can’t develope him and the peer pressure isn’t there to hold him to a higher standard so we have a kid who has all the talent but is just immature and needs to grow up….period
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Another example of the ultimate fatal error of this coaching staff; trying to a square peg into a round hole, not only with the offensive scheme and castrating DMAC but trying to FORCE McClain to be “more vocal” and to take on the leadership role.
Either you’re a leader or you’re not, and even more of an idictment against them is what ended up transpiring with McClain. McClain even said himself “they’re trying to get me to be more vocal and more of a leader…i’m gonna TRY to do that.”
We’re not talking about making the wrong call on a 4th and one or deciding not to kick a fg like Hue, we’re talking about decisions that have LASTING, LONG TERM EFFECTS on an organization.
The stubborness of DA when asked why they were still sticking with the zbs despite the offensive woes, he responded in a very cocky, dismissive way..”because i’ve seen it work before”.
These horrible, season destroying decisions have badly affected this organization.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
All the great teams have systems in place that takes young players and sets the expectation and holds them accountable and developes them so that they reach their potential.
We don’t have that in place yet, when a player sees that he knows more than a coach how can he respect the guy? When he sees that there is a double standard how can they respect the process? They wont, and that is the issue here you have players who are respected on this team who haven’t bought into the system because they see players getting doghoused for no reason while others are allowed concessions. YOU will NEVER biuld a team that way. DA speaks with forked tongue and they see it and know it
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Al Davis didn’t do any of the above.
He doghoused Marcus Allen because Allen dared to not kiss his ass.
He had the double standard of putting a head coach out there, even though every head coach, and every player knew that Al made the final decisions, and routinely overruled the head coach.
The list is long of Al’s faceplants.
You conveniently forget all that?
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LOL! Art put Marcus in the same house Porter was in. Marcus seems to not understand that he, like everyone, can be replaced. Not to mention Bo was MUCH BETTER than him when he got here. Marcus held out when he was offered a more than fair contract. Marcus expects everyone to kiss HIS ass…I wish the OJ trial would have forced the world to see who he really is.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
All the great teams have systems in place that takes young players and sets the expectation and holds them accountable and developes them so that they reach their potential.
We don’t have that in place
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Yet we have a new hierarchy that is trying to accomplish this due to the untimely death of the owner and you and many others on here want them gone after less than one season because they aren’t doing things the way YOU want them done
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Lefty12, Do you believe I want this team to win?
Do you believe I want to see things done right?
Do you believe if I saw this is headed in the right direction I wouldn’t say it?
I want all these things , I just don’t see this staff doing it in a way I believe will be successful. I’m saying what I’m saying because I don’t see them EVER achieving the desired results……………period
December 11th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Oh yeah, the coaching staff here is the best thing since slice bread …they will be really great one day ..blah blah blah.
Its all B.S. …look at the freakin numbers being produced on offense and defense and it tells you almost al you need to know.
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I have defended this staff, Mayock defended the staff on a national broadcast four days ago, Crokran did today, a future HOFer did and a guy who played for the team and just got cut loose did in the last 24 hours. Yet some of you want to kick and scream that everyone is wrong but you. The ones closest to the game go one way and most of you go another way. That should tell you something. Maybe you should calm down and get with the program.
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Lechler said the same thing about Cable, same thing about Hue. Maylock spent Thursday night trying to rewrite history about the draft picks that he was so against. He’s full of it.
Hey Homer you forgot who else is all for DA getting more time lead the Raiders.
The Denver Broncos.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
All the great teams have systems in place that takes young players and sets the expectation and holds them accountable and developes them so that they reach their potential.
We don’t have that in place
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And we didn’t have it in place before the new regime arrived, which is why it is utterly insane to suggest that everything should be hunky-dory after their being here for only 13 games.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
The only reason I have agreed with the firing of DA and staff is due to the regression of the team, no fight, no passion, no competitiveness etc
Earlier on in the season I was all for him but the total team collapse and blow out after blow out was inexcusable. Ok we have no talent but we had no talent earlier on in the season as well and we didn’t look like shet.
If it’s not Gruden or Cowher…LONG SHOTS, give the man a chance and let him instill his schemes and ways of building this team with Reggie. Thats what we have lacked, continuity with coaching.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
People sure complicate excuses for this mess of a team right now when in reality it is plainly simple. Mark blew it when he hired Reggie to fire Hue. Then Reggie blew it when he hired DA. And DA really blew it when he hired knapp. They have trashed what coulda been a good team with HueJax. All we needed was a new DC and to keep Bush. Now it is a footnote in Raider history to go along with a record setting season of futility. It is that simple. It is so clear it’s breathtaking.
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This won’t stop them from making excuses unfortunately.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
No player on the Raiders has respected any head coach in the last 20 plus years, with the exception of Gruden.
{And because of that Al made sure Gruden wasn’t going to stick around.}
So why, all of a sudden, is it an issue regarding players respecting the head coach?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
The only reason I have agreed with the firing of DA and staff is due to the regression of the team, no fight, no passion, no competitiveness etc
Earlier on in the season I was all for him but the total team collapse and blow out after blow out was inexcusable. Ok we have no talent but we had no talent earlier on in the season as well and we didn’t look like shet.
If it’s not Gruden or Cowher…LONG SHOTS, give the man a chance and let him instill his schemes and ways of building this team with Reggie. Thats what we have lacked, continuity with coaching.
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continuity for the sake of continuity is wrong just like change for the sake of change is wrong. Was anyone wanting Shell V 2.0 & B&B to stay around for continuity? No
December 11th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
In this corner we have tr0ll number #1 wearing a red tu tu. In this corner we have tr0ll #2 wearing a pink boa.
Ding Ding Ding
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Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Seymour Bush, you’ve co-signed every decision the Raiders have made in the last 10 losing years, without question.
That doesn’t t make you an expert
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No I have not. But what drinking a little early tonight? Is your wife out all night playing “bridge” again?
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What I find funny is I have been here for weeks all day every day talking Raider football and here come both of you trolling in baiting others. And you are both too stupid to realize it. Kind of pathetic really.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
If I saw something that I coukd believe in I would be doing cartwheels in their favor. I want to support our staff but how can I when I see disarray everywhere I look. I’d be a fool to disparage something I thought would eventually be great………….these bums are terrible beyond what I could ever imagine.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
DA-bringing up the ZBS is irrelevant since we have been running a combination of blocking systems for numerous weeks now.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
edward teach Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
All the great teams have systems in place that takes young players and sets the expectation and holds them accountable and developes them so that they reach their potential.
We don’t have that in place
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And we didn’t have it in place before the new regime arrived, which is why it is utterly insane to suggest that everything should be hunky-dory after their being here for only 13 games.
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I agree.
For the first time in a long time, a head coach of the Raiders is making decisions. Some will be spot on (McClain) and some will be a learning experience. Regardless, the players know they have to actually worry about someone except the owner, who rarely even showed up at practices his last few years.
I’m ok with that.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Da lovers really grind my gears, I bet they believe everything they hear on fox news and that bin laden was really the mastermind behind 911… We should believe Da is the right man for the job even after 6 blowouts because mike mayock says so? Lmao yea ok… I dont need mike mayocks or anybody elses opinion just the results and the results say DA is crap, 3-10 with 6 blowouts and losses to the browns suggest hes not the right man for the job.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
excuse me-DJ
December 11th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Listen, establishing continuity with a flunkie coach would only get you a pathetic team. Its doesn’t get much simipler than that.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
No player on the Raiders has respected any head coach in the last 20 plus years, with the exception of Gruden.
{And because of that Al made sure Gruden wasn’t going to stick around.}
So why, all of a sudden, is it an issue regarding players respecting the head coach?
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Callahan, Cable, Hue were respected too. Al was made an offer he couldn’t refuse for Gruden. One thing they, along with Gruden, was putting their players in position to make plays. Can you say that about this staff?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Fck it, let’s fire the coach and hope the players keep learning new systems over and over again. I’m sure it doesn’t impede the learning process for the rookies we draft every year, must be fun.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
You’ve been posting for weeks under different alias’s, we know this OakGlen.
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Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
What I find funny is I have been here for weeks all day every day talking Raider football and here come both of you trolling in baiting others.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Da lovers really grind my gears, I bet they believe everything they hear on fox news and that bin laden was really the mastermind behind 911… We should believe Da is the right man for the job even after 6 blowouts because mike mayock says so? Lmao yea ok… I dont need mike mayocks or anybody elses opinion just the results and the results say DA is crap, 3-10 with 6 blowouts and losses to the browns suggest hes not the right man for the job.
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I agree…especially the 911 part…Read America!
December 11th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
If I saw something that I coukd believe in I would be doing cartwheels in their favor. I want to support our staff but how can I when I see disarray everywhere I look. I’d be a fool to disparage something I thought would eventually be great………….these bums are terrible beyond what I could ever imagine.
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He ain’t lying. I’ve known Priest to be one of the most optimistic posting around. The guy sees a silver lining in everything : ) hahaha …(exagerrating a bit). If he’s all gun hoe to give this staff a boot IN THE SEASON then you know something is terribly wrong.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
edward teach Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
All the great teams have systems in place that takes young players and sets the expectation and holds them accountable and developes them so that they reach their potential.
We don’t have that in place
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And we didn’t have it in place before the new regime arrived, which is why it is utterly insane to suggest that everything should be hunky-dory after their being here for only 13 games.
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While this is true, I thought Mr Davis had finally hired a coach capable of doing that. But the GM comes in does exactly what he shouldn’t have done for no reason other than he wants his own guy…………WHAT?? You mena to tell me that is the ONLY reason you’re firing the head coach??? Really! tell me something more than that because that is freakin DUMB!
NOT only have they trashed the direction we were going in but they made it much worse……….and we’re supposed to sit by and watch this crap……y’all are crazy no you’re INSANE!!
December 11th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Jamista Clown you are the blog dumpster. It is an established fact. Isn’t your court appointed Anger Management Class happening right now?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Nobody wanted to give Reggie more a chance than I did, I was drunk on him like many of you were I watched him closely and as he made decisions I made up my mind as to what kind of job he was doing. So far he is TERRIBLE………no HORRIBLE!
December 11th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
When you take AL out of the picture suddenly priest becomes “very” skeptical and unbiased.
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TerrapinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
He ain’t lying. I’ve known Priest to be one of the most optimistic posting around. The guy sees a silver lining in everything : ) hahaha …(exagerrating a bit). If he’s all gun hoe to give this staff a boot IN THE SEASON then you know something is terribly wrong.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Fck it, let’s fire the coach and hope the players keep learning new systems over and over again. I’m sure it doesn’t impede the learning process for the rookies we draft every year, must be fun.
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And then, since we can’t turn over a 60 man roster in a year, we can have a mish mash of players that none really fits the system the new coaches will want. And it will be a mess, and we can suck, fire everyone, and do the entire thing again year in and year out!!
December 11th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Peymour, your problem is you use the same retarded “dumpster” blasts on ALL your alias’s and then when you get caught cross posting you throw a fit.
Go take your meds and wear your helmutt indoors, ok
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Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Jamista Clown you are the blog dumpster. It is an established fact. Isn’t your court appointed Anger Management Class happening right now?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
If I saw something that I coukd believe in I would be doing cartwheels in their favor. I want to support our staff but how can I when I see disarray everywhere I look. I’d be a fool to disparage something I thought would eventually be great………….these bums are terrible beyond what I could ever imagine.
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He ain’t lying. I’ve known Priest to be one of the most optimistic posting around. The guy sees a silver lining in everything : ) hahaha …(exagerrating a bit). If he’s all gun hoe to give this staff a boot IN THE SEASON then you know something is terribly wrong.
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Priest was optimistic regarding everything when Al was around. Made every excuse in the book for all of Al’s stupid decisions. Didn’t matter Al threw away 270 mil in one offseason of FA signings, Priest defended Al and blamed the coaches. He guaranteed the Kwame Harris signing was smart because of the guarantee that Cable would develop him into a probowl player. Nope.
Now that Al is gone, Priest so desperately wants everything to fail so he can continue praising Al.
Facts are, finally, the Raiders can, and will make changes that are important to the team, not to the old man.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Nobody wanted to give Reggie more a chance than I did, I was drunk on him like many of you were I watched him closely and as he made decisions I made up my mind as to what kind of job he was doing. So far he is TERRIBLE………no HORRIBLE!
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Tell me again, I have asked, all the moves Reggie should have made and the bad ones he made. And again, not pipe dreams like we should just bring David Shaw in.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
You had to be drunk to watch Reggie’s first presser as GM to feel good about our future. But you usually are “drunk” , no ?
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Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Nobody wanted to give Reggie more a chance than I did, I was drunk on him like many of you were I watched him closely and as he made decisions I made up my mind as to what kind of job he was doing. So far he is TERRIBLE………no HORRIBLE!
December 11th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
I said it before in a post how i want to believe in the regime but i need a little help.
Just saying that it’s understandable we would suck with the lack of picks and the cap situation is fine and dandy but is that the upgrade you’re supposed to aspire to? Is having valid excuses for sucking the standard we had hoped for…or expected?
I struggle to find one single area where we did anything other than suck all year. Kicking maybe? Penalties? Yippee, skippee doo.
Mark said it best…the “REGRESSION”.
DA will get another yr. but excuse time should be over with. Starting the day after the season ends.
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December 11th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Jamista you just seem tired and beaten down. You never had any punch but now you just seem kind of lame and weak. You didn’t give your life savings to Karl Rove like the rest of the idiot conservatives did you?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Guys, things are going terrible wrong in Oakland:
1. Offense is worse
2. Defense is worse
3. Special Teams is worse
4. MD telling DMC …talk to the coaches, run more of his kinda plays
5. Something going seriously wrong with RoMac
6. Blowout after blowout after blowout
7. MD speaking out “Regression” forcing Reggie to hold a PC
This are going terribly arry in Oakland. And you say its the players? Ha ..laughable
What about of the above points mostly to the players? What has changed since last year?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Anyone know what the winning percentage is of teams who change coaches every year-few years is?
I don’t feel like doing the research. lol
December 11th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Seymour, I don’t have the inclination right now man. Not interested enough. If you don’t think David Shaw isa viable option then I give up………you just want to argue and I aint the one.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Anyone know what the winning percentage is of teams who change coaches every year-few years is?
I don’t feel like doing the research. lol
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Same as the winning percentage for a Romeo Cren type HC.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Or Herm Edwards if you’re still wondering …or many of the other flunkie coaches teams kept employing year after year for “continuity” lol
December 11th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
I said it before in a post how i want to believe in the regime but i need a little help.
Just saying that it’s understandable we would suck with the lack of picks and the cap situation is fine and dandy but is that the upgrade you’re supposed to aspire to? Is having valid excuses for sucking the standard we had hoped for…or expected?
I struggle to find one single area where we did anything other than suck all year. Kicking maybe? Penalties? Yippee, skippee doo.
Mark said it best…the “REGRESSION”.
DA will get another yr. but excuse time should be over with. Starting the day after the season ends.
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Man these guys can’t see past the Al Davis isn’t the GM mantra. They can’t see the foolishness involved in this mess. Excuses are excuses they aren’t reasons that difference seems to be blurred with them.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Guys, things are going terrible wrong in Oakland:
1. Offense is worse
2. Defense is worse
3. Special Teams is worse
4. MD telling DMC …talk to the coaches, run more of his kinda plays
5. Something going seriously wrong with RoMac
6. Blowout after blowout after blowout
7. MD speaking out “Regression” forcing Reggie to hold a PC
This are going terribly arry in Oakland. And you say its the players? Ha ..laughable
What about of the above points mostly to the players? What has changed since last year?
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Yes. These things are true. What is also true is Al left the team in a financial mess. He kept rolling the dice and rolling the dice, and rolling the dice, until he died. And guess what, he crapped out. So we are the ones here to tend to this mess.
We needed to pare $30+mm off the payroll. What that meant was not only could we not go out and get anyone to fill any holes, and we had holes, but we also LOST guys who were productive like Wimbley,Satele, Johnson and Mike Bush.
Then not only did we not have a lst round draft choice, we didn’t have a 2nd round draft choice either. So again, we had no good option to fill holes and we had to go the cheap route.
These aren’t excuses, these are facts. And what Cowher or Gilbride or Gruden is going to come here given these facts?
December 11th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Translation: If you dont agree with me 100% you are a racist and a moron. Right tj?
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Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Seymour, I don’t have the inclination right now man.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Thats fine, changing coaches has always worked for us. I’m sure thats why players love coming to play here because you don’t have to take any coach serious because he more than likely won’t be there through your contract.
I’ll just preserve myself, half asss it and get paid.
Sounds like plenty of the players on our roster.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Seymour, I don’t have the inclination right now man. Not interested enough. If you don’t think David Shaw isa viable option then I give up………you just want to argue and I aint the one.
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I don’t want to argue. I am tired of fighting with people who think Jon Gruden is right now at the Oakland Airport Hilton ready to jump on the sidelines and take the headphones. We have a mess here, and we might as well all get on board, stop whining, and all get on the same page.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
They are excuses you just don’t know the diff…
There was no reason whatsoever for this team to regress the wya it has and to try to justify it makes no sense….period
December 11th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Translation: If you dont agree with me 100% you are a racist and a moron. Right tj?
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Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Seymour, I don’t have the inclination right now man.
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Still trolling huh? Jamista you are the biggest troll here now that that gay guy beecham has left.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Guys, things are going terrible wrong in Oakland:
1. Offense is worse
2. Defense is worse
3. Special Teams is worse
4. MD telling DMC …talk to the coaches, run more of his kinda plays
5. Something going seriously wrong with RoMac
6. Blowout after blowout after blowout
7. MD speaking out “Regression” forcing Reggie to hold a PC
This are going terribly arry in Oakland. And you say its the players? Ha ..laughable
What about of the above points mostly to the players? What has changed since last year?
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Yes. These things are true. What is also true is Al left the team in a financial mess. He kept rolling the dice and rolling the dice, and rolling the dice, until he died. And guess what, he crapped out. So we are the ones here to tend to this mess.
We needed to pare $30+mm off the payroll. What that meant was not only could we not go out and get anyone to fill any holes, and we had holes, but we also LOST guys who were productive like Wimbley,Satele, Johnson and Mike Bush.
Then not only did we not have a lst round draft choice, we didn’t have a 2nd round draft choice either. So again, we had no good option to fill holes and we had to go the cheap route.
These aren’t excuses, these are facts. And what Cowher or Gilbride or Gruden is going to come here given these facts?
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Al Davis never had a problem with the cap. Never. We never heard of that “talk”. Reggie is just using that as a excuse because he does not know what the hell he is doing.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Peymour, you want to get on board with this hot mess because you are a derelict buffoon. Only a idiot would get on board with this circus.
Congrats!
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Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
I don’t want to argue. I am tired of fighting with people who think Jon Gruden is right now at the Oakland Airport Hilton ready to jump on the sidelines and take the headphones. We have a mess here, and we might as well all get on board, stop whining, and all get on the same page.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
edward teach Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
All the great teams have systems in place that takes young players and sets the expectation and holds them accountable and developes them so that they reach their potential.
We don’t have that in place
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And we didn’t have it in place before the new regime arrived, which is why it is utterly insane to suggest that everything should be hunky-dory after their being here for only 13 games.
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While this is true, I thought Mr Davis had finally hired a coach capable of doing that. But the GM comes in does exactly what he shouldn’t have done for no reason other than he wants his own guy…………WHAT?? You mena to tell me that is the ONLY reason you’re firing the head coach??? Really! tell me something more than that because that is freakin DUMB!
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oh, you forgot Hue’s PC where he stated he not only deserved more control of the organization, but that he was going to TAKE more control of the organization, from, and I quote: “From the top on down”?
For someone as old as you, you come across as very naive’.
Seriously, are you just stubborn, and don’t want to admit? You think any GM wants to keep around a loose cannon like Hue?
Ok, let’s forget all that.
Hue went 1-4 to end the year out of the playoffs.
OFF WITH HIS HEAD.
That clear enough for you?
Put down the Harpers. Come back and read later. Will probably make more sense then.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
They are excuses you just don’t know the diff…
There was no reason whatsoever for this team to regress the wya it has and to try to justify it makes no sense….period
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Excuses? $30mm is not an excuse. And you say Hue lost because of the defense. Sounds like an excuse to me.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
December 11th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Guys, things are going terrible wrong in Oakland:
1. Offense is worse
2. Defense is worse
3. Special Teams is worse
4. MD telling DMC …talk to the coaches, run more of his kinda plays
5. Something going seriously wrong with RoMac
6. Blowout after blowout after blowout
7. MD speaking out “Regression” forcing Reggie to hold a PC
This are going terribly arry in Oakland. And you say its the players? Ha ..laughable
What about of the above points mostly to the players? What has changed since last year?
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Yes. These things are true. What is also true is Al left the team in a financial mess. He kept rolling the dice and rolling the dice, and rolling the dice, until he died. And guess what, he crapped out. So we are the ones here to tend to this mess.
We needed to pare $30+mm off the payroll. What that meant was not only could we not go out and get anyone to fill any holes, and we had holes, but we also LOST guys who were productive like Wimbley,Satele, Johnson and Mike Bush.
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Did you just bring up a dead man as an excuse? Listen, we all know Al did a number of things wrong but one thing he did right was know how to work the cap. The cap wasn’t much of a issue as long as I could remember. We were always over the cap. Al knew how to get players to restructure. Maybe Reggie could still learn a few lessons.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
I don’t mind Raiders being the lone wolf and doing things “our way and screw the world” as long as it results in winning.
When you lose like we have everything is up for debate.
Losing sucks and all of us are mad that we have to spend yet another yr. hearing about this team and that team vying for a playoff spot while we languish in despair. We want someone to blame and there’s plenty of it to go around, but if any fanbase deserves better than the crap they get it’s US.
Even after all those yr’s of losing records the Raiders fans sell out the OCO every game. Just look at the passion exhibited on this board…even in the offseason.
This is a passionate and interested fanbase and it doesn’t take much to get us excited. Just throw us a freaking bone once in a while.
This yr. no bones have been thrown our way….NOTHING, ZERO..ZILCH. The new era of excellence has given us NOTHING but despair and misery.
I didn’t expect Super Bowl but I expected more than this.
SOMEBODY SHOULD PAY…but seriously someone should.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
tj I agree with you 100%.
Are we bro’s now?
December 11th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Peymour Glen Bush, do you like DA’s “trajectory” the same way you liked T Cables?
December 11th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Some of you just don’t realize how bad this team is. Somebody needs to be FIRED.
Current draft order:
1. Kansas City Chiefs – 2-11
2. Jacksonville Jaguars – 2-11
3. Oakland Raiders – 3-10
4. Philadelphia Eagles – 4-9
December 11th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Well its been fun setting the record straight with you guys ..gotta roll …keep the excuses coming
(Or be real and look at this sht for what it is ..sht)
December 11th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
There is a good chance Raiders end up the worst record in the NFL this year.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
RaidO Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Some of you just don’t realize how bad this team is. Somebody needs to be FIRED.
Current draft order:
1. Kansas City Chiefs – 2-11
2. Jacksonville Jaguars – 2-11
3. Oakland Raiders – 3-10
4. Philadelphia Eagles – 4-9
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Wow that is embarrassing ..what great company we are keeping. You guys still want to keep DA & Company? Are you sure?
Good lord thats bad.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Did you just bring up a dead man as an excuse? Listen, we all know Al did a number of things wrong but one thing he did right was know how to work the cap. The cap wasn’t much of a issue as long as I could remember. We were always over the cap. Al knew how to get players to restructure. Maybe Reggie could still learn a few lessons.
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You are not getting it. Al didn’t “work the cap”. What Davis did was push the numbers higher and higher with more and more out of whack contracts. Which guts the depth of the team. What we had was a roster with not a lot of talent, but with a lot of money. That’s what we had here. I am not making excuses, that is a fact. When you have a roster devoid of talent, yet costing a lot, you are going to have a problem.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
rose colored glasses these fools have…
December 11th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
And I thought we were out of the cellar post-Shell2.0
December 11th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
look, this is going to take a couple of years, firing DA for anyone not named Jon Gruden, Bill Cohwer, Nick Saban, David Shaw, or Chip Kelley just isn’t worth the start over process, and shouldn’t happen. unless one of the above coaches is willing to come in then you stay the coarse, we’re going to have to ride with one coach for 3-4 years eventually…
December 11th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
I don’t mind Raiders being the lone wolf and doing things “our way and screw the world” as long as it results in winning.
When you lose like we have everything is up for debate.
Losing sucks and all of us are mad that we have to spend yet another yr. hearing about this team and that team vying for a playoff spot while we languish in despair. We want someone to blame and there’s plenty of it to go around, but if any fanbase deserves better than the crap they get it’s US.
Even after all those yr’s of losing records the Raiders fans sell out the OCO every game. Just look at the passion exhibited on this board…even in the offseason.
This is a passionate and interested fanbase and it doesn’t take much to get us excited. Just throw us a freaking bone once in a while.
This yr. no bones have been thrown our way….NOTHING, ZERO..ZILCH. The new era of excellence has given us NOTHING but despair and misery.
I didn’t expect Super Bowl but I expected more than this.
SOMEBODY SHOULD PAY…but seriously someone should.
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If these bums could find a way to win a game I might listen for a second. But these guys want me to watch this team get battered week in week out and then offer a lame excuse why it needs to happen.
I’m supposed to be dumb enough to accept it as truth………….you have to be a complete moron to think this team should look like this and we’re headed in the rigt direction………..what fool would believe that? There is plenty of talent on this roster to win a game. If you say different then I got one thought of you. And it aint nice enough to mention.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
RaidO Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
There is a good chance Raiders end up the worst record in the NFL this year.
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There is a very good chance of that. And if we draft another overall number one that turns out to be another bust, it could set this franchise back ANOTHER ten years.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
but reggies got a gut feeling…and DA has tits…i mean the it factor…
December 11th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Chip Kelly and Terrell Pryor could be an interesting combo with his fast paced no-huddle offense!
December 11th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Current draft order:
1. Kansas City Chiefs – 2-11
2. Jacksonville Jaguars – 2-11
3. Oakland Raiders – 3-10
4. Philadelphia Eagles – 4-9
Whats more alarming about this is 2 of the 3 Raider wins are the Chiefs and Jags. LOL, wow
December 11th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Jamista you are now the number one troll on the blog! At least you are number one at something other than dead beat dad of the year.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
ten and then…
December 11th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
kuhlest Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
look, this is going to take a couple of years, firing DA for anyone not named Jon Gruden, Bill Cohwer, Nick Saban, David Shaw, or Chip Kelley just isn’t worth the start over process, and shouldn’t happen. unless one of the above coaches is willing to come in then you stay the coarse, we’re going to have to ride with one coach for 3-4 years eventually…
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Only if you want the quickest way back to respectability. If you want to languish, we should do what 90% of these guys want….
December 11th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
I’m curious bout something.
When the Raiders were the worst team in the NFL, and got the #1 pick, where we picked Jamarcus?
Who was in charge then?
Could it be the same person who was in charge when the Raiders set an NFL record of consecutive seasons (6?7?) of losing at least 11 games??
Who was that person again?
Oh yeah. Al Davis.
Sorry folks. The Raiders being in total disarray is nothing new.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
kuhlest Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
look, this is going to take a couple of years, firing DA for anyone not named Jon Gruden, Bill Cohwer, Nick Saban, David Shaw, or Chip Kelley just isn’t worth the start over process, and shouldn’t happen. unless one of the above coaches is willing to come in then you stay the coarse, we’re going to have to ride with one coach for 3-4 years eventually…
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Thats what i’m saying! Not sure about all those head coaches but Gruden, Cowher or Billick…guys with actual NFL head coaching experience and rings.
DA lovers and rose colored glasses? What is that? Sounds like 50 shades of gay. lol
December 11th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Usually, when a player is cut from a bad team, said player vents his frustrations on how poorly run the team is.
Former Raider CB Ron Bartell didnt:
Ron Bartell on Raiders coaching staff: “You have to own it [player accountability]… this is a very competent staff.”
December 11th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
3-13…3-13…3-13…
December 11th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Usually, when a player is cut from a bad team, said player vents his frustrations on how poorly run the team is.
Former Raider CB Ron Bartell didnt:
Ron Bartell on Raiders coaching staff: “You have to own it [player accountability]… this is a very competent staff.”
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He is just Kissing “&*&” hoping for another job.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
competent = 3-13….lmao
December 11th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Bartell could have ripped the Raiders aLa Rolando, but he didn’t…
http://www.957thegame.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6154582
December 11th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
i think goodell could kick reggies aszs…
December 11th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
DA-bringing up the ZBS is irrelevant since we have been running a combination of blocking systems for numerous weeks now.
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Irrelevant after all the chaos and damage it created at the beginning if preseason and regular season. Or in other words ZBS = to little to late.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
competent…lmao…dude doesnt even know the meaning…he still trying to find it
December 11th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
this staff flips faster than romney…
December 11th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Mark Davis surely doesn’t know the word competent.
For all the blame McKenzie gets, it all should fall no Mark’s lap.
Why?
Dude hired McKenzie.
Davis is to blame for this mess. Case closed.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
I’m curious bout something.
When the Raiders were the worst team in the NFL, and got the #1 pick, where we picked Jamarcus?
Who was in charge then?
Could it be the same person who was in charge when the Raiders set an NFL record of consecutive seasons (6?7?) of losing at least 11 games??
Who was that person again?
Oh yeah. Al Davis.
Sorry folks. The Raiders being in total disarray is nothing new.——
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This is different then the “other” years. Taking a 8-8 team with potential and running it into the ground is a new thing. This could have definitely been avoided.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
RaidO
Trading Gruden to the Bucs was the beginning of the disaster.
Getting to the Super Bowl — and getting spanked in that game by Gruden and the Bucs — to uber pathetic, many Raider fans are used to complete and utter disaster — unfortunately.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
im fine with blaming mark…especially since he can still fix it…people want us to wait another three years of losing…thats for well losers…
December 11th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
a 3 win season gets high school coaches fired…and they are teachers too!
December 11th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Should McKenzie and his coaching staff return next season — which is highly likely — and after a draft and free agency and that group replicates this pathetic effort, all fingers must be pointed at Mark Davis.
He was the catalyst to what has transpired and he is the only one to blame.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
RaidO
Trading Gruden to the Bucs was the beginning of the disaster.
Getting to the Super Bowl — and getting spanked in that game by Gruden and the Bucs — to uber pathetic, many Raider fans are used to complete and utter disaster — unfortunately.
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I believe the last 2 8-8 seasons were the beginnings of a resurgence. Al was on the right path finally. ” Fix the D and cut down on the penalties” not change and gut everything.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Dick nixon also said he wasnt a crook, do you believe that? Like I.said the teams play and record says it all, no competent coaching staff coaches a team to 3-13, and we could easily be 1-12 right now because it took some real late game heroics to beat jax, and pittsburg.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
a 3 win season gets high school coaches fired…and they are teachers too!
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True
December 11th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Question: should the Raiders tank the Toilet Bowl this Sunday to jockey for better draft pick status or should they try and beat the Chiefs in front of the home crowd?
But hey, I got my own self to blame for drinking the kool aide. What a disappointment this season was and its future. Really is ten and then, unless Gruden comes back. Or Hue. I’d even welcome Cable back.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Remember Gruden going
8-8
8-8
12-4.
I think this would have been Hue’s “12-4″ year.
Oh well.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Jackie Bibby
Blame goes all around.
I’m not absolving the coaching staff.
Neither am I absolving the players.
Success in the NFL is a beautiful medley of coaches and players succeeding together.
You got a crap staff coaching crap players here in Oakland.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Los Raida Locos
Chiefs got a head start in terms of tanking by making Bowe inactive for this game on Monday. *
December 11th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
RaidO Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
There is a good chance Raiders end up the worst record in the NFL this year.
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There is a very good chance of that. And if we draft another overall number one that turns out to be another bust, it could set this franchise back ANOTHER ten years.
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That’s one of the reasons i suggest we trade down for more picks if possible.
If we are going with DA as the coach next yr. (and it appears we are) then may as well give them the best chance to succeed. We need help in multiple areas and the more guys we can get that can make an immediate impact the quicker this turnaround will be.
I know my Rams comparisons are getting old but they have 4 rookies from the draft who are starting right now. They also acquired some key free agents with the money they saved by dumping close to 30 players from last yr’s roster..with 24 of those players who are NOT on an NFL roster right now.
Rams took a 2-14 team and brought in a new coach, made the moves i referred to and voila…playoff race.
Raiders took an 8-8 team…brought in a new coach, didn’t make any major changes and voila….4-12 maybe?
So we give Reggie and DA a “pass” this yr. since they’ll be here anyway, but next yr? If the legendary Rams can do it…then we sure as heck should be able to.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
DJ Johnny
In total agreement to trade down and acquire more picks. Using the Rams was an excellent example.
One of the potential hangups to a trade down is this: Are there going to be guys people want to move up for?
The QB-heavy draft last year gave the Rams prime position.
I don’t know if there will be that kind of demand with the group of collegiate players in this draft.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
This April’s draft will be a true barometer of McKenzie’s ability to assess personnel.
He’s missing a second-round and fifth-round draft pick (Palmer, Curry trades), however, McKenzie could pull the trigger and try to get back in the second and fifth rounds.
Still, McKenzie’s selections in April should tell us all we need to know about Reggie.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
“Amazing.
Years later you are still defending /Russell, as if it was not something he did.
He was lazy. He was non-committed. He came in fat, and unprepared. He admitted he didn’t study the playbook. Team admitted he was given a blank dvd to study, where he was caught lying, saying he studied it.
Team admitted that he only knew 30% of the plays at a time he should have known all the plays.
The list is long.
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Well-said. All I’d add is that JR is/was as dumb as a bag of rocks. Like a lot of slow people, he didn’t try to learn because learning was hard. Thus, it wasn’t just the purple drank responsible for his inattention to the playbook. He knew he didn’t have it in himself to master it.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Post 471 no I agree with you on the idea that the coaching staff isnt the only thing wrong with this team, remember Defense was a problem all last year as well but we all knew the defense needed work coming in but its the fact that the offense and special teams have regressed as well that has me questioning the coaches. We lack talent on defense that much is evident but the offense and special teams were strngths for us last year but since Da has taken over theyve become weaknesses ontop of our already bad defense getting worse. Hes improved no part of this team, so in search of reasons to keeping him on board I see nothing for him to hang his hat on except for the EXCUSE that the team lacks talent, not because hes shown anything that says hes a great coach just the excuse of lack of talent.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Reason why you don’t fire coaches after 1 season:
Bill Walsh 2-14
Jimmy Johnson 1-15
Brian Belichick 6-10 Browns
5-11 Patriots
I’m not saying DA could turn out likt any of these coaches but the point is if they wouldn’t have gotten a chance to continue coaching, then who knows how things turn out for these teams.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
2012 The year of excuses
2013 No Excuses
December 11th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Jackie Bibby
I was very skeptical of the Hoffman hire as special teams coach. He was never the boss of a game-changing, impact unit during his various stops.
I do miss Fassel — who know is the ST coach for the Rams. He’s developed that rookie kicker Beurlien — butchered the spelling probably, he’s known as Legatron — into a dependable, strong-legged kicker and the coverage units are good.
Defensively, yikes. Don’t need to say anything you already didn’t say.
Losing Waufle as D-line coach — he’s also with the Rams now — hurt Oakland.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
MiamiRaider78
I can easily see Mark Davis having another impromptu meeting with DA/McKenzie and the media for an interview if Raiders lose first game of the regular season next year.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
#239
You’re full of it. Hue isn’t and hasn’t been trusted by the people with whom he works, neither his subordinates nor his superiors. He’s a glad hander and an unctuous seller of himself. It’s too bad too, because I liked Hue’s playcalling, for the most part.
It should tell you something that rumors about him abounded before Al hired him and it should tell you something that he’s not now a head coach.
Hue’s firing had nothing to do with his race. It had everything to do with his eyes lighting up at the thought that the one man who ran the entire ship of the Raiders was now gone, his dorky son and aged wife now in control, and Hue jumping in to angle for total control of football operations, something his now deceased former employer didn’t want.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
“I was very skeptical of the Hoffman hire as special teams coach.”
Speaking of special teams, it sure has been a long while since we had a good punt returner and wound up with great field position.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Reason why you don’t fire coaches after 1 season:
Bill Walsh 2-14
Jimmy Johnson 1-15
Brian Belichick 6-10 Browns
5-11 Patriots
I’m not saying DA could turn out likt any of these coaches but the point is if they wouldn’t have gotten a chance to continue coaching, then who knows how things turn out for these teams.
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Jimmy Johnson and Bill Bellichek, Bill Walsh all had extensive college experience.
I don’t know how DA and Tarver got jobs so quickly.
But, Reggie will have to make that decision at the end of the year.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Reason why you don’t fire coaches after 1 season:
Bill Walsh 2-14
Jimmy Johnson 1-15
Brian Belichick 6-10 Browns
5-11 Patriots
I’m not saying DA could turn out likt any of these coaches but the point is if they wouldn’t have gotten a chance to continue coaching, then who knows how things turn out for these teams.
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HueJax for example? Had the team Al put together poised for a big year this year. You new he was gonna hire a bona fide DC. Too bad he didn’t get another year. Screw the continuity crap now. You get one year. No more long suffering after the firing Hue debacle. Hue should have gotten another year. At least he deserved it.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Shutdown
Man, nail on the head.
I actually think of Johnnie Lee Higgins from time to time as the Raiders struggle on punt returns this year.
Adams has had some long gains, however, they’ve been wiped out by penalty.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
A lot of venting going on and understandably so.
This org. really has no concern with making any of us fans happy.
They make ZERO free agent moves that might generate the least bit of excitement…they offer no assurances that things will get better anytime soon or even remotely try to say or do anything to generate even the most miniscule level of encouragement.
DA saying on some local radio show to “hang in there” just doesn’t do it.
Show me SOMETHING….ANYTHING to “hang in there” with.
They take for granted the fans will always be there for ‘em no matter what.
They couldn’t care less if we are embarrassed and laughed at when we walk into a sports bar wearing our Raider gear; it doesn’t bother them if our buddies who are fans of other teams feel sorry for us. Some here say “good for them”. They shouldn’t care about that stuff anyway. Their job is to run a football team not please fans”.
Yeah, that’s fine, but then they shouldn’t be surprised when they look out a half filled stadium on Sunday (or Thursday)cuz they have a fanbase that is demoralized and beaten down by an uninspiring organization who gives them nothing to be even remotely excited about.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Reason why you don’t fire coaches after 1 season:
Bill Walsh 2-14
Jimmy Johnson 1-15
Brian Belichick 6-10 Browns
5-11 Patriots
I’m not saying DA could turn out likt any of these coaches but the point is if they wouldn’t have gotten a chance to continue coaching, then who knows how things turn out for these teams.
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The difference is all those teams were just about as bad or worse the year prior to those coaches posting those records — they weren’t 8-8 for two years prior — plus those coaches had far superior resumes to DA’s one season as a defensive coordinator of a 30th ranked unit.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Kell,
Jimmy Johnson was awesome at the U.
Love the 30 for 30 on Miami University, one of the player’s said first black head coach the U had was Jimmy Johnson. Haha.
And Walsh at Stanford, man.
This is why I don’t believe David Shaw will be leaving for the pro game any time soon.
Read an interview where he said he wanted to leave a legacy at Stanford bigger and better than Walsh and Harbaugh.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
20th ranked unit, I hear ya.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
I’m sorry, meant to type 20th ranked unit.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
The situation was different for some of these super bowl winning coaches in their first year. They took over teams that were crap= 2-14, 3-13, 4-12 etc etc. Then they went 2-14, 3-13 etc etc in their first year.
NOT 8-8 with potential and running the damn team into the ground.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
I’m so confused as to what has been going this year. Can anyone shed some light on this circus that is our year?
December 11th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Relentless
Rookie owner, rookie GM, rookie head coach.
It’s all been FUBAR this year.
A lot of fans blame DA. A lot blame McKenzie.
I blame Mark Davis.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
im so effin sick of DAs stupid face…guy looks like a donkey just like el way…
December 11th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Reason why you don’t fire coaches after 1 season:
Bill Walsh 2-14
Jimmy Johnson 1-15
Brian Belichick 6-10 Browns
5-11 Patriots
I’m not saying DA could turn out likt any of these coaches but the point is if they wouldn’t have gotten a chance to continue coaching, then who knows how things turn out for these teams.
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The same can be said for Hue jackson yet they did it so the precedent has been set.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Speaking strictly for myself, the only moment i was truly excited about the future of this org. was that brief half hour when Arkush made me think Gruden was coming to Oakland.
The Raiders of course couldn’t wait to squash that as quickly as possible in their rush to vehemently and angrily deny they would even think for a moment of doing something as crazy as trying to immediately upgrade this football team.
Hey, it’s no to Gruden? Fine, but how about giving us SOMETHING!!!
December 11th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
i feel like the saints fans when they wore bags over their faces…when the raiders play i think i can hear the football follies theme playing all day…
December 11th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
This is exactly how I feel about jamarcus russel, couldnt have said it better myself, kudos to steven a smith…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1XKF-_TgJY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
December 11th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
So how many at the OCO this Sunday?
35-40 k?
December 11th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
25k if rain…
December 11th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
A lot of venting going on and understandably so.
This org. really has no concern with making any of us fans happy.
They make ZERO free agent moves that might generate the least bit of excitement…they offer no assurances that things will get better anytime soon or even remotely try to say or do anything to generate even the most miniscule level of encouragement.
DA saying on some local radio show to “hang in there” just doesn’t do it.
Show me SOMETHING….ANYTHING to “hang in there” with.
They take for granted the fans will always be there for ‘em no matter what.
They couldn’t care less if we are embarrassed and laughed at when we walk into a sports bar wearing our Raider gear; it doesn’t bother them if our buddies who are fans of other teams feel sorry for us. Some here say “good for them”. They shouldn’t care about that stuff anyway. Their job is to run a football team not please fans”.
Yeah, that’s fine, but then they shouldn’t be surprised when they look out a half filled stadium on Sunday (or Thursday)cuz they have a fanbase that is demoralized and beaten down by an uninspiring organization who gives them nothing to be even remotely excited about.
…….
This is where the true power of the fans come into play. If fans were really unhappy with the direction of the team they would stop buying tickets.
This organization is sh!t… every offseason I let my hopes get built up, just to be dashed by another season of sh!t.
This offseason they finally had a chance to really do something. Bring in an experienced coach with credentials and a reputation, and get this team going in the right direction.
Instead, they hire a rookie, allow him to hire a horrible staff, cut half the team, and then destroy the rest my gross mismanagement.
this crap gets old.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
*by gross mismanagement
December 11th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
i know i wont be renewing my season tix…when they call…ill ask if they fired Reggie yet…
December 11th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Here’s one of those polls we took on the board. This one is from January just before Hue was fired. Not trying to embarrass anyone, but it was initiated with the sense of, let’s come back to it after we can come to a verdict. If I were wrong and remembered it was out there (as I just did now) I would’ve owned up to it. I realize many of those who were OK with firing Hue at the time have probably since changed that opinion. Anyway, for what it’s worth …
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
1. Chris in NY
2. Bob Marley
3. Raider Duck
4. Daraider09
5. JB
6. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
7. 8RaiderReign8
8. RaiderSam
9. 18yearsold18yearraiderfan
10. Raidertalk
11. Hendu
12. Freddie B
13. Qodrn1
14. Dorian Gray
15. 303Raider
16. SouthTexasRaider
17. 504 Raider
18. Dan ManoukiansNeighbor
19. Da Trinity
20. Luvmarvhub
21. DaTruth91
WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
1. Raider O
2. Method to My Madness
3. VanHeathen
4. Raiderbuck
5. RaiderRockstar
6. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
7. R8dercain
8. Young American
9. Hwnrdr
10. MistaBrown
11. Jesusraiderjim
12. Plunketthead
13. Fingers
14. Dakota
15. Lefty12
16. Wasbanned
17. Al D. Davis
18. Just Fire Baby
19. Seymour Bush
20. PlunkforHOF
21. MEX_GHOST
December 11th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
wish we had real reporters that would express our message to dadada reggie…
December 11th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
shutdown Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
“I was very skeptical of the Hoffman hire as special teams coach.”
Speaking of special teams, it sure has been a long while since we had a good punt returner and wound up with great field position.
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Honey Badger’s a gamble, but may make sense for us.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
480, yes waufle is a great coach and has success every where he goes, he was part.of the gruden staff back in the ay part of the giants staff when they won that 1st bout against the patsie, and last year our sack numbers were up for the D line. And its the instanst/constent success that he has with his unit that proves hes a good coach. Real coaches make plAyers better, others make excuses.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Chris In NY
A Honey Badger vs. Muscle Hamster matchup is very intriguing.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
When Reggie gave his state of the Raiders address did he say anything about his plan for the future?
I know he threw out a few excuses as to why we are where we are but I don’t recall any mention of having a plan for the future.
Normally, when a team is down like this you’ll hear somthing along the lines of “We have a plan and it’s be implemented. We will see progress in this area or that area.
Maybe i missed it.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Reggie is a used car salesman.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
“All I can assure the fans is that we will continue to make an effort to see if we might be able to put our players in a position where at the end of the day they say that they were put in a position where they might possibly have the opportunity have a measure of success”.
-Dennis Allen’s encouraging speech to the Raider Nation.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
More and more freaks out there with machine guns, eh?
December 11th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
I guess it’s difficult to make my case that, I hate how this team has completely collapsed and regressed but on top of that, I haven’t seen anything good come out of the coaching carousel in Oakland.
Thats why I think the only cure for the losing is, hiring a coach like Gruden or Cowher…other than that, leave DA.
Makes sense? lol
December 11th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
KoolKell
but we don’t have a gun problem in the U.S. lol
December 11th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
no sense…you dont ever stop trying to improve….Therefore you dont keep losing coach especially with what he has shown…
December 11th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Reggie is a used car salesman.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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You wanted Hue fired, so what’s your problem?
December 11th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
KoolKell
but we don’t have a gun problem in the U.S. lol
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Ahhhh no, guns don’t kill people, blah blah, blah. Lol.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
I’m all for a permit to conceal a fire arm, after you have a background check etc
but there is no reason for civillians to have automatic weapons in their arsenal.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
the packers beat reggie to the punch…they signed one of their practice squad players to their roster…
December 11th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:50 am
raiderjhawk Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:49 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Continuity is key.
The OLine is starting to mesh.
RT is the only real hole.
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What right tackle? I didn’t even know we had one.
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He’s the one always picking up Carson Palmer and apologizing
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uh, just for the record. Arizona has given up the most sacks of the QB this year. and there are 20 other teams behind him that have given up more sacks than the Oakland Raiders, including a couple of playoff level teams.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Reggie is a used car salesman.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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You wanted Hue fired, so what’s your problem?
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Likes saying the obvious 2 or 3 times per thread, with no other
analysis or solutions.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Prior’s not going to start in the next three games.
He’s going to play but so are a whole bunch of other guys that Allen wants to watch in a game before the end of the year.
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Pryor should have already seen the field.
It’s BS and an indictment of this staff that he hasn’t even been active until the last 2 weeks.
You telling me that there weren’t times the Raids could have used him thus far ? Not one instance ?
How about that brilliant play call on 4th and 1 in Cincy where Krappy ran Schmidt right up the gut ?
You telling me that some sort of package utilizing Pryor in that situation isn’t preferable to what Krapp went with ?
They’re finally going to give TP a chance now ?
Whooopdeefreakingdoo.
Hey, what’s next ? Maybe give Taiwan a look ? Oh yeah, as a DB.
This staff is a fkng joke.
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Exactly!!
December 11th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
13th in Sacks given up by our line. Looked it up the other day.
Not bad with the amount of passing we do.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
“All I can assure the fans is that we will continue to make an effort to see if we might be able to put our players in a position where at the end of the day they say that they were put in a position where they might possibly have the opportunity have a measure of success”.
-Dennis Allen’s encouraging speech to the Raider Nation.
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WTF?? Yeah….sure Boss…..sheesh
Terrible!
December 11th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
there isnt any other analysis necessary…they do need to fire reggie…
December 11th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Speaking strictly for myself, the only moment i was truly excited about the future of this org. was that brief half hour when Arkush made me think Gruden was coming to Oakland.
The Raiders of course couldn’t wait to squash that as quickly as possible in their rush to vehemently and angrily deny they would even think for a moment of doing something as crazy as trying to immediately upgrade this football team.
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Sad huh?
December 11th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
kuhlest Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
look, this is going to take a couple of years, firing DA for anyone not named Jon Gruden, Bill Cohwer, Nick Saban, David Shaw, or Chip Kelley just isn’t worth the start over process, and shouldn’t happen. unless one of the above coaches is willing to come in then you stay the coarse, we’re going to have to ride with one coach for 3-4 years eventually…
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Should have rode it with Hue…not DA.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
RaidO Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
RaidO
Trading Gruden to the Bucs was the beginning of the disaster.
Getting to the Super Bowl — and getting spanked in that game by Gruden and the Bucs — to uber pathetic, many Raider fans are used to complete and utter disaster — unfortunately.
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I believe the last 2 8-8 seasons were the beginnings of a resurgence. Al was on the right path finally. ” Fix the D and cut down on the penalties” not change and gut everything.
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Yep!
December 11th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
I think Reggie is a good personnel guy.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Oh no not the hu jack thing again
Hue committed the ultimate sin for a black man in sports you dont bite the hand that feeds you.
owners are called owners for a reason, they own the team, they own the players and coaches, and they own the keys to thier employees future earnings to large extent.
Hue spoke out of school, and he had to be taught by the nfl , old biys network, a lesson.
this is why in a league where his offense was one of the best ion football he wasnt even offerd an oc position on any other team.
This is probably why he hasnt found a college gig either, cal im looking at you.
this is the main reason athletes and entertainers WILL NEVER SPEAK ON REAL ISSUES THAT AFFECT THE COMMUNITIES THEY ARE FROM, THEY ARE OWNED.
Adrian Peterson made a good point ;’its like slavery”
> it’s nothing like slavery as known in american history genius. people with no purpose always find a battle to fight. AP runs around with an inflated rubber ball is great at it, leave it at that. and you don’t know sh*t about hardship. go visit a 3rd world country and come back and tell me about REAL ISSUES THAT AFFECT COMMUNITIES. I’ve read enough of your garbage and you have been exposed. you’re just a spoiled, race obsessed, whitey hating jealous little racist with no self esteem who plays devils advocate on a blog. your football knowledge is limited as well and I’ll give a lesson in that as well.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
13th in Sacks given up by our line. Looked it up the other day.
Not bad with the amount of passing we do.
> sacks don’t tell the story. what about QB hits and hurries? those are what lead to INTS and missed throws
December 11th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
I’m all for a permit to conceal a fire arm, after you have a background check etc
but there is no reason for civillians to have automatic weapons in their arsenal.
>. i have automatic weapons. there also is no reason for people to drive 3 ton trucks either very dangerous right. no reason for people to eat fast food either, its dangerous to their health. The United states is one of if not the biggest exporter of weapons and yet YOU think civilians shouldn’t have autos? major disconnect here
December 11th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
The United states is one of if not the biggest exporter of weapons and yet YOU think civilians shouldn’t have autos? major disconnect here
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Any other dumbass analogies you can come up with?
December 11th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Never heard of a 3 ton truck show up at a movie theatre and open fire on a crowd of movie goers.
Same could go for Ronald Mcdonald or the Hamburgler.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
The United states is one of if not the biggest exporter of weapons and yet YOU think civilians shouldn’t have autos? major disconnect here
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Any other dumbass analogies you can come up with?
>>YOUR government led by Mr Hope and change exports weapons all over the world okay liberal and you want US citizens to adhere to bullsh*t gun control laws. do you get the point?is it clear you sherlock? and BTW I love guns
December 11th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Never heard of a 3 ton truck show up at a movie theatre and open fire on a crowd of movie goers.
Same could go for Ronald Mcdonald or the Hamburgler.
>. I have heard of big trucks demolishing smaller cars in accidents and killing all the passengers in the car. lets ban trucks
December 11th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
1.5 million people die in auto accidents every year, FAR more than those that die by LEGAL gun owners. its not even close. but yeah lets pass gun control.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
You probably love the confederacy too, Mannasasmauler.
Gnite Gents.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Colombine was an accident?
lol Ok guy, enjoy your guns!
December 11th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
knapp is DAs’ Greema Wormtongue.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
You probably love the confederacy too, Mannasasmauler.
Gnite Gents.
> don’t run off liberal, just be a cyber warrior and call me a klan member. show some sack in cyberspace at least tough guy. I’m sure intelligent people scare you in “real”life so i will expect no different here. run along
December 11th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Colombine was an accident?
lol Ok guy, enjoy your guns!
>. the 450,000 people that die every year from heart disease caused mostly by bad diet and smoking are far less important than the 1000 or so people that are killed by nutcases with guns. you need a little perspective smart guy
December 11th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Oh no not the hu jack thing again
Hue committed the ultimate sin for a black man in sports you dont bite the hand that feeds you.
owners are called owners for a reason, they own the team, they own the players and coaches, and they own the keys to thier employees future earnings to large extent.
Hue spoke out of school, and he had to be taught by the nfl , old biys network, a lesson.
this is why in a league where his offense was one of the best ion football he wasnt even offerd an oc position on any other team.
This is probably why he hasnt found a college gig either, cal im looking at you.
this is the main reason athletes and entertainers WILL NEVER SPEAK ON REAL ISSUES THAT AFFECT THE COMMUNITIES THEY ARE FROM, THEY ARE OWNED.
Adrian Peterson made a good point ;’its like slavery”
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probably the most stupid post i’ve ever seen on this blog.
in his zeal to compare athletes to slaves he forgets that white people are pro athletes too. so i guess whites can now share in being the victims of slavery now too, huh?
a big difference between slavery and guys like adrian peterson is unlike slaves on plantations back in the old south athletes have a choice and can walk away at any time…plus the fact i don’t think millions of dollars a yr. are considered “crumbs”.
i guess if having to do what your boss tells you makes you a slave than i’m a slave too, especially since he only gives me the ‘crumbs’ for my salary compared to what he makes.
“i’m a victim, i’m a victim”.
same old b.s from losers who think everyone is out to get them and want to absolve themself of any personal responsibility. “hey, i don’t care if you earned it..you gotta give it to me..i’m a slave can’t u see”?
December 11th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
“i’m a victim, i’m a victim”.
same old b.s from losers who think everyone is out to get them and want to absolve themself of any personal responsibility. “hey, i don’t care if you earned it..you gotta give it to me..i’m a slave can’t u see”?
>> its a weak mindset for sheep. there will always be weak people like missesdick and thats good because it couldn’t;t be any other way
December 11th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
could slaves just walk away from their plantations at any time? did slaves drive around in escalades and live in mansions…their OWN mansions mind you?
if adrian peterson or any other dipschit athlete think their a slave for the white mans enjoyment than heres an idea…don’t play sports.
very simple.
what a f’ing idiot.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
That pistol offense looks like it works pretty well for RG3…
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There are reasons for that. lst off as I posted above, Griffin III can complete the deep pass. He is VERY accurate. 2ndly, RGIII plays incredibly fast. Much faster than the defenses who are confused by this option offense. But defenses will counter and figure it out, as I just laid out how I would attack it. But again, if you saw their last game, how much do you really want your franchise Q taking licks out there? Would you want Brady to get his knee torn up running around if you were a New England fan? I don’t think so.
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Bush,
you also said defenses would figure out how to stop cam newton and that hasnt happened either.
Why would I believe they could figure out cam newton and rgIII, based on what you say as opposed to what game film & sunday says?
RaiderDebo Says:
>. cam Newton is 10-19 as a starter. he is a loser based on is record just like PALMER! but cam gets a pass right missesdick?
December 11th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Lmao this blog is so damn racist. Racist whites, racist blacks, racist mex… Shame, it just goes to show how far weve not come and how racism is still very much alive the only difference now is ppl try to conceal it while in the past it was acceptable to be racist and a bigot out loud…
December 11th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Just got a hot tip from my inside source. She just told me Mark Davis is gonna hire Reggie McKenzie as the new GM and Reggie is gonna fire Hue Jackson. Also said Reggie has a guy no one has ever heard of in mind for the head coaching spot. It’ll be interesting to see how that turns out. Will pass along more as I get it.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Racism is for the ignorant.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Just got another juicy tidbit of gossip from my mole on the inside. She said the new head coach that no one has ever heard of is gonna hire greg knapp as the new OC. This ought to be real interesting.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
My inside informant is a chatter box tonight. She just told me Mark Davis is not a happy camper right now. He is not to happy about the ‘regression’ this team has shown, especially after firing Hue. But Mark doesn’t want it leaked out to the press because he feels it might make him look silly.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Cork has lost all credibility in my eyes when it comes to rating players.
he didnt think jc was any good, and he was an unabashed palmer worshiper. Even with the horrendous results palmer has earned, he refuses to acknowledge the trade as a bust.
Now he wont accept pryor and wants to write the kid off completely. when asked if he thought pryor could win a starting job he flat out answered no and dismissed it out right.
He even had the nerve to talk about qbs in the draft and he has t wilson murray and bray ALL AHEAD OF GENO SMITH?!??!?!?!
GENO IS BY FAR THE BEST QB IN THIS DRAFT?!/!?!
i get it though, because geno is seen as possibly the best qb in the class the class is being downgraded as a whole. i doubt this would be the case if barkley or wilson or bray or murray hadnt flopped.
This is an outrage
Cork should change his name to crock, he is full of it.
The media can not be trusted
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December 11th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Watching cam newton this weekend reminded me of pryor and what he could do.
newton was unstoppable and has been for most of his brief career.
newton is the first player in history of the 90 plus year old nfl to throw for 30 tds and rush for 20 tds in his first two nfl seasons.
Read that again and let it sink in for a moment. that is 50 tds in less than 2 seasosn, and the guy is still getting better. he has only begun to scratch his potential.
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wow. 25 td’s per year. unheard of.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Sorry Mistic, but any “athlete pulling down 10-20 mil. per season, or an entertainer likewise, can compare that to slavery,” has to be totally dreaming and in denial!
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not really
on the slave plantation some slaves had privileges. They ere allowed to eat scraps form masa’s table, they were giving occasional time off, and even had thier pick of slave women at times.
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ur living in the past idiot.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
why do you think other black athletes ripped him for it? they dont want him to expose the fact that atjhletes are neutered and will never speak out on race issues.
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they ripped him for being an idiot.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
People who make their living entertaining white amerikkka, will never speak out
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u entertain us every day for free. now dance, boy! (i couldn’t resist)
December 11th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Im done
FREE TP6!!!!!
peace
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your talk of slavery and implications that millionaires like pryor and newton are slaves is disgusting and obscene. it devalues all of the horrific things that actually happened to slaves. u disrespect all of the black people who were mistreated and suffered inhumanely and those who fought so hard to change it.
ur despicable.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
it’s like saying if u are fired for consistently being late to ur job, that it’s metaphorically the same as being lynched cuz u wouldn’t cow two to the master.
u should be slapped silly by a black man who has his head on right.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Racism is for the ignorant.
>. you’re a liberal aren’t you?
December 11th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Lmao this blog is so damn racist. Racist whites, racist blacks, racist mex… Shame, it just goes to show how far weve not come and how racism is still very much alive the only difference now is ppl try to conceal it while in the past it was acceptable to be racist and a bigot out loud…
>. I’m pointing out the black racist missesdick. i do have a dislike for stupid people and am outspoken about it. but this guy is not only racist but is also clueless in regards to football. talkin about Cam newton is tearing it up. Newton is 10-19 as a starter and is a loser in that regard. just like palmer.newton gets a pass cuz he’s black though.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
SUPER BOWL FRAUDS
Atlanta Falcons
I credit corner Dunta Robinson for telling us on the SiriusXM Blitz that he understood the skepticism and the doubters. The Falcons knows they need to win in January to silence the haters. I just don’t think they are capable. The Carolina Panthers debacle was alarming. A game like that was a long time coming. San Francisco, Green Bay, and the Giants would suffocate Atlanta in the postseason. I think the Seattle Seahawks, with their great defense, power run game and wise-beyond-his-years quarterback, also could win in the Georgia Dome. No matter who they play in the playoffs, the Falcons will fall short in key matchup areas of quarterback play, defense, head coach and confidence.
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Guess I’m not the only one who can see how bad Matt Ryan sucks. NFL. com gets it.
December 12th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Wasn’t there supposed to have been a meeting with Slo and Tits today ?
December 12th, 2012 at 12:26 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
RaidO Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
RaidO
Trading Gruden to the Bucs was the beginning of the disaster.
Getting to the Super Bowl — and getting spanked in that game by Gruden and the Bucs — to uber pathetic, many Raider fans are used to complete and utter disaster — unfortunately.
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I believe the last 2 8-8 seasons were the beginnings of a resurgence. Al was on the right path finally. ” Fix the D and cut down on the penalties” not change and gut everything.
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Yep!
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I think people look to the past (Gruden) to assist them in projecting a future…and it simply is a league that you have to adapt to. Allen’s team showed glimpses with those three forced FG’s and red zone stops and sacks on Manning. They will have to get what personnel they feel will fit, and simply let the process continue..
Too many people thinking Gruden could “jump start” the team development and secure excitement in the fan base….the reality is Gruden will be expensive , want control,,and the whole process starts over again.
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AIDERMAN99 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Wasn’t there supposed to have been a meeting with Slo and Tits today ?
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Somebody please explain the “tits” thing? I thought tits are good, and why anyone connects tits with a man has other issues.
December 12th, 2012 at 12:28 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
SUPER BOWL FRAUDS
Atlanta Falcons
I credit corner Dunta Robinson for telling us on the SiriusXM Blitz that he understood the skepticism and the doubters. The Falcons knows they need to win in January to silence the haters. I just don’t think they are capable. The Carolina Panthers debacle was alarming. A game like that was a long time coming. San Francisco, Green Bay, and the Giants would suffocate Atlanta in the postseason. I think the Seattle Seahawks, with their great defense, power run game and wise-beyond-his-years quarterback, also could win in the Georgia Dome. No matter who they play in the playoffs, the Falcons will fall short in key matchup areas of quarterback play, defense, head coach and confidence.
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Guess I’m not the only one who can see how bad Matt Ryan sucks. NFL. com gets i
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Yawn. Anybody remember that powerhouse Viking team that was supposed to just roll over the “Dirty Birds”?
“Thats why they play the games.”
-Chris Berman
December 12th, 2012 at 12:29 am
Manassamauler Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Racism is for the ignorant.
>. you’re a liberal aren’t you?
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You are one of the ignorant aren’t you?
December 12th, 2012 at 12:44 am
RediaR Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 12:29 am
Manassamauler Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Racism is for the ignorant.
>. you’re a liberal aren’t you?
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You are one of the ignorant aren’t you?
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liberal and conservatives. two ideological ends purposely set against each other by both parties, making them both rich.
And “racism” is the tool to divide and conquer them, as usual. Why no one sees this is beyond me.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:17 am
[...] Raiders live chat here today at noon [...]
December 12th, 2012 at 5:52 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
December 12th, 2012 at 6:27 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S
December 12th, 2012 at 6:32 am
Hey Dirt Lot…going Sunday?
My friend was thinking of just going in to say goodbye to the guys in our section, til next year then leaving…lol
December 12th, 2012 at 6:34 am
WILL BE THERE..
December 12th, 2012 at 6:38 am
Cool…we have to get together one last time this year!
December 12th, 2012 at 6:51 am
SOUND GOOD.MOST OF MY CREW IS DOWN WITH THE FLEW..HOPEFULLY EVERYONE CAN MAKE IT..
December 12th, 2012 at 6:56 am
This was the week to get sick…I got sick over the weekend as well…
December 12th, 2012 at 7:25 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says: SOUND GOOD.MOST OF MY CREW IS DOWN WITH THE FLEW..HOPEFULLY EVERYONE CAN MAKE IT..
Must be the bird flew. Couldn’t help myself, Dirtlot.
December 12th, 2012 at 7:27 am
Good Morning, Raider Nation! Fck it! It’s a great day to be a Raider fan, isn’t it?
December 12th, 2012 at 7:28 am
Comment #512,
DA did not really say that, did he? LMAO. That’s far worse than anything I could make up to mock the guy for his inane comments.
Could you imagine sitting through a DA pep talk?
I think if Al were around he might fire DA, for cause, for the idiocy of statements like that.
December 12th, 2012 at 7:35 am
“We’re not losers anymore”…Tom Cable 2010
“wait…What?”…Dennis Allen 2012
December 12th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Chris in NY Says:
Comment #512,
DA did not really say that, did he? ==================
No. DJ just having fun.
December 12th, 2012 at 7:53 am
579…lol…spilled coffee again..
December 12th, 2012 at 8:00 am
20k at the game?
December 12th, 2012 at 8:02 am
578.Chris in NY Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 7:28 am
Comment #512,
DA did not really say that, did he? LMAO. That’s far worse than anything I could make up to mock the guy for his inane comments.
Could you imagine sitting through a DA pep talk?
I think if Al were around he might fire DA, for cause, for the idiocy of statements like that.
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He HAS said that on other occasions but yes…just having fun more or less.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
With Giants S Stevie Brown having started nine straight games while contributing key plays, the team placed him on Pro-Bowl ballot today.
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Stuff like this is why we are and have been terrible.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Stevie Brown is tied for what? Second in the league for INTs with 7? Why we let him go again? Because he was immature???
December 12th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Raiderbuck Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
With Giants S Stevie Brown having started nine straight games while contributing key plays, the team placed him on Pro-Bowl ballot today.
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Stuff like this is why we are and have been terrible.
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Tom Cable was the guy that first got him into game action. Again, you have to blame this on Davis and Jackson.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:09 am
585.hwnrdr Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Stevie Brown is tied for what? Second in the league for INTs with 7? Why we let him go again? Because he was immature???
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He wasn’t that good with us. It’d help if we had a D-Line causing havoc like the Giants.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:11 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 11th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
I’m all for a permit to conceal a fire arm, after you have a background check etc
but there is no reason for civillians to have automatic weapons in their arsenal.
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You should really study the reasons behind the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution…
It was not to provide people ways to hunt or self defense…
It was to give the people the means to form militias to protect itself against a tyrannical government…
How can citizens protect themselves from our own military if we only have access to hunting rifles and handguns?
December 12th, 2012 at 8:11 am
584.Raiderbuck Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
With Giants S Stevie Brown having started nine straight games while contributing key plays, the team placed him on Pro-Bowl ballot today.
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Stuff like this is why we are and have been terrible.
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Definitely. This is one of those cases where some us arm chair GM’s can say we know better than the guys that get paid top make those decisions.
I’ll cite some examples:
-Stevie Brown-Many of us said he should be on our team and shouldn’t have been cut.
-Adrian Peterson- I said we should have drafted him out of Oklahoma. I KNEW he would be a stud. I can’t remember who we ended up getting, but he wasn’t better than Peterson.
Those are just a couple examples. I could go on and on with situations where WE…the humble, idiot fans knew better than the decision makers.
The Knapp thing is too easy and obvious to even mention.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:16 am
582.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:00 am
20k at the game?
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Yeah, and go back to the youtube video of 2002 home game against KC where they had the biggest crowd in Coliseum history…
My how things have changed.
Is THIS what you had in mind Mark Davis?
Give US crap and you’ll get it back.
Your loving fans can only take so much.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:17 am
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/register/joingroup
Theres the sign in page
group id # 14891
password aldavis
Its about time for the first game.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Vegas has been MIA for a entire week now
December 12th, 2012 at 8:20 am
http://www.facebook.com/BringJohnGrudenBackToTheRaiders
Follow this!
December 12th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Johnny we took jamarcus that year Adrian Peterson was in the draft…
December 12th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Richard Seymour made some plays, but probably wasnt worth what we gave up.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/12/seymour-back-on-field-but-not-likely-back-in-oakland-next-year/
December 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 7:27 am
Good Morning, Raider Nation! Fck it! It’s a great day to be a Raider fan, isn’t it?
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Yes it is. Finished re-watching the USC – Notre Dame game..wanted to see Manti Teo in action…noticeably absent in plays from that game, but that kid, Max Wittick has a live arm…he’s one to watch, never mind the USC “loser” QB tag…that kid has a rocket.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Cam Newton has some skills but he has won only a third of the games he has started. i wiould take Luck over him anyday of the week. He wins. Cam Doesn’t.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Johnny we took jamarcus that year Adrian Peterson was in the draft…
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I’ll go back further, remember Sebastian Janikowski over Shawn Alexander?
December 12th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Vegas has been MIA for a entire week now
I know…we tried calling him Thursday afternoon but I don’t know if he showed up or what?
December 12th, 2012 at 8:32 am
According to pro football focus Nnamdi is ranked #190 amongst cornerbacks. My how the mighty have fallen!
That being said I would still take him back for the right price.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Why is everyone clamoring for Gruden. He is way overrated. Look closely at his record and personell moves and you will agree. there are better options out there. I would take Bill Cower over Gruden any day.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:33 am
598.RaiderSam Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Johnny we took jamarcus that year Adrian Peterson was in the draft…
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I’ll go back further, remember Sebastian Janikowski over Shawn Alexander?
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Seabass is still kicking, We had Wheatly and Garner at the time
December 12th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Yea seabass has been our best player thus far… “kick his azz seabass”
December 12th, 2012 at 8:36 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:33 am
598.RaiderSam Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Johnny we took jamarcus that year Adrian Peterson was in the draft…
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I’ll go back further, remember Sebastian Janikowski over Shawn Alexander?
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Seabass is still kicking, We had Wheatly and Garner at the time
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Alexander also ran for 266 against us….
but hindsight is 20/20
December 12th, 2012 at 8:38 am
No Mas Diamante Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Why is everyone clamoring for Gruden. He is way overrated. Look closely at his record and personell moves and you will agree. there are better options out there. I would take Bill Cower over Gruden any day.
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The issue is, he had the most recent success, he would re-ignite the fan base, and would get certified assistants due to his reputation, which is still solid – his coaching tree; Andy Reid-Holmgren is impeccable. Fact is, HE took the Bucs to the Super Bowl, and not Dungy … too many people make a big deal over that.
That being said, its too bad a situation for him to come back, and he’d be too expensive.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Post 601 because most people would take gruden over DA anyday. If DA fielded a competitive team gruden would be an after thought but he has them 3-10 and regressing…
December 12th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Alexander also ran for 266 against us….
but hindsight is 20/20
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Well if we drafted every running back who put up 200+ yards on us in the last decade, we’d have quite a committee
December 12th, 2012 at 8:40 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:16 am
582.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:00 am
20k at the game?
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Yeah, and go back to the youtube video of 2002 home game against KC where they had the biggest crowd in Coliseum history…
My how things have changed.
Is THIS what you had in mind Mark Davis?
Give US crap and you’ll get it back.
Your loving fans can only take so much.
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I thought the KC game where Jacoby Ford took over the game was one of the biggest crowds….if you look back at the 8-8 seasons, there was too much offensive firepower to be where we are now.
its unbelievable what overpriced contracts and underforming players can do to a team
December 12th, 2012 at 8:40 am
he_Judge37 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Alexander also ran for 266 against us….
but hindsight is 20/20
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Well if we drafted every running back who put up 200+ yards on us in the last decade, we’d have quite a committee
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LOL, so true!
December 12th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Hwnrdr Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Stevie Brown is tied for what? Second in the league for INTs with 7? Why we let him go again? Because he was immature???
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And the guy who stuck on the roster, and not him? Jerome Boyd…and they were also trying Chemdi Chekwa at safety…
December 12th, 2012 at 8:42 am
No Mas Diamante Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Why is everyone clamoring for Gruden. He is way overrated. Look closely at his record and personell moves and you will agree. there are better options out there. I would take Bill Cower over Gruden any day.
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Don’t think Cowher’s been linked to the Raiders in some way like Gruden.
I think the point is the fans want a HC with a proven track record. Someone that brings instant credibility to the position. Someone that would get instant respect from the players.
Gruden or Cowher would be light years ahead of the current staff.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Sam, I noticed that watching the game. Witick is a stud bigtime
December 12th, 2012 at 9:01 am
hwn He was pretty excited about meeting everyone, strange he dropped out but he was going on vacation of some sort. \
I am guessing he too drunk during the game and mama punished him and took away his posting time for the duration of the vacation
December 12th, 2012 at 9:02 am
I may be wrong but I think manti is a little small and will get pushed around at the next level. He makes good open field tackles but im not so sure hes going to be successful shedding blocks at the next level. I like the idea of signing Larry grant in free agency a proven vet to man the middle and drafting jarvis jones the pass rushing lb from georgia.
December 12th, 2012 at 9:05 am
32. Oakland Raiders (3-10)
Last week: 32
In the first four games of the Raiders’ current six-game losing streak, opponents averaged 42 points per game. Then the Raiders suspended middle linebacker Rolando McClain and averaged 23 points per game in the two losses he wasn’t around. McClain returns this week, so get ready for a points explosion from the Chiefs.
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sure is fun as a fan to see your favorite team last in power rankings and ridiculed in the press.
thanks Raiders management and staff…you’re the best!
December 12th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 9:01 am
hwn He was pretty excited about meeting everyone, strange he dropped out but he was going on vacation of some sort. \
I am guessing he too drunk during the game and mama punished him and took away his posting time for the duration of the vacation
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I blame Chico for taking his wife.
December 12th, 2012 at 9:11 am
its unbelievable what overpriced contracts and underforming players can do to a team
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Seeing is believing.
Speaking of overpriced and underperforming…
Wasn’t there supposed to have been a meeting between Slo and Tits yesterday ?
Or did I get that wrong and it happens today ?
Oh, to be a fly on the wall for that one.
Slo will be given the chance to apologize.
If he’s smart he will.
If he refuses to apologize and remains recalcitrant, how Tits and RM handle the situation will be very interesting.
You simply can not have the inmates running the asylum, no matter how inept the HC is.
Doesn’t matter how much it costs financially, or what Slo could possibly bring in a trade – he’s got to be booted immediately.
Won’t surpise me to see Slo make an apology that isn’t hearftfelt, and for Tits to go through the motions and accept it.
Slo would do that in the hopes of playing elsewhere, Tits would do that in the hopes of getting something for him via trade.
Of course, neither is likely to happen. Slo sucks and the rest of the league knows the Raids will just dump his sorry azz sooner or later anyway.
Surprised Slo wasn’t suspended for the remainder of the season when the original disciplinary action was taken.
Is there something in the CBA that prohibited them from doing so ?
You’ve got to believe Tits wanted to get rid of Slo for good after the latest flare up.
Rift with RM over this ?
If so, I don’t know what RM is thinking.
He’s going to get zip for Slo, can only save peanuts, and is undermining his HC in the process.
This whole thing stinks to the high heavens.
December 12th, 2012 at 9:12 am
I may be wrong but I think manti is a little small and will get pushed around at the next level.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
He is 6′2 250+. Same size as McClain but shorter.
December 12th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Raider O Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 9:01 am
hwn He was pretty excited about meeting everyone, strange he dropped out but he was going on vacation of some sort. \
I am guessing he too drunk during the game and mama punished him and took away his posting time for the duration of the vacation
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I blame Chico for taking his wife.
LOL, I know…Brien and DMAC was there as well…even Dutch came through and Ravenaider!
December 12th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Hwnrdr,
I bet that was fun. You People are great!
Green Party and Mr. Prez + You People = Good time.
Vote Green in 2016!
December 12th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Surprised Slo wasn’t suspended for the remainder of the season when the original disciplinary action was taken.
Is there something in the CBA that prohibited them from doing so ?
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4 games is the maximum suspension the team can levy against a player, the rest of the season would have been 5 games. There was a few days between the reported outburst on FB and Ro’s suspension. My educated guess tells me Reggie approached the NFLPA with his evidence for suspension and 2 games was all he could get them to agree to without an appeal.
December 12th, 2012 at 9:21 am
LOL, trust me, O…there were a lot of “Green” going around…
December 12th, 2012 at 9:32 am
I have so many questions about Reggie’s decision making in year 1.In a league where the rules are catered to the offense,you go and get a defensive minded HC,with nothing on his résumé but a 20th ranked defense over a guy Hue Jack who brought this franchise back to some respectability because it was his offense that got this raiders team to 8-8 prior to this one.Say what you want about Hue and his personality but he put points up but for some strange reason some here would rather a even keel guy who struggles week in and week out to get this team to get to 10 points before 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter of every game,but he deserves another year(which is highly debatable)but Hue had to go???The firing of Hue set us back said it when it happen and look now and no one hate the fact that I was right more than me,but the reality of it is Hue took a team with all of the top skill position guys going down week after week and got the next man up to step in and got them to 8-8 and if it wasn’t for a ball of Chas Chillens hands here a Jacboy Ford slip and a Routt penalty there not to mention the defense not being able to get one stop we win the division.They say he had the most penalize team in history but if any one knows the Raiders that issue was long before Hue got here.Yes Hue is gone and water under a bridge but this season makes a man wanna jump from that bridge into that water!!!NowLetsEmbrassDebate…Shall We???
December 12th, 2012 at 9:37 am
I could see Mark Davis and Jim Buss staring in a Step Brothers type movie.
December 12th, 2012 at 9:40 am
I bet Hwnrdr. lol
Mr. Prez!!
December 12th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Pan? No PAM. Oh Pand. LOL… love that movie
December 12th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Back-n-Black Says
sure is fun as a fan to see your favorite team last in power rankings and ridiculed in the press.
thanks Raiders management and staff…you’re the best!
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You know those christians that used to roam the country side barefoot and self flagellating to show their devotion? Kinda feels like that wearing my Raider gear. But wear it I do!
December 12th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Self-flagellation and the Raiders is most cleanly expressed by penalties. It’s like a Crusader stabbing himself in the foot with his sword repeatedly during battle.
Anyone else think that Al was playing chess with Death over the past ten years? It would explain why he couldn’t necessarily devote all his attention to the team during that span.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Knapp and allen are under intense scrutiny.
How can they save their tarnished reputations?
let terrel pryor run the pistol offense, and mix it with a little shot gun with dmac flanked by dmac and reece!.
Ghost motions, play actioon, qb boot legs, zone reads, triple option, slant patterns quick outs bubble screens, and of course the Al davis long ball!!!!
WHY IS THIS TEAM LETTING ONE OF OUR MOST EXPLOSIVE PLAY MAKERS LANGUISH????
pryor is one of a handful of qbs that can score a touch down from any point on the filed any time he touches the ball. He can score by out runing the defense, or throwing over the top of the defense.
pryor can extend plays with his feet, helping out the o line. pryors runnig ability will cause line backers to hesitate, which will open creases for the dmac between the tackles so he can do what he does best and fly down hill.
Dmac and pryor are both very very good in zone read, and became stars in college running this offense.
with damc being the one of the original wild cats (wild hog at ark) he has and extra dimension to his game that you will not find on any other team running a similar scheme in the nfl.
pryor and dmac would present one of the most explosive qb rb tandems in football.
more explosive then rgIII and morris, wilson and lynch, and on par with deangelo williams and cam newton.
This seems to me to be a no brainer on every level.
pryor excels at throwing on the move and he is very good in the intermediate and short passing game. he has a rocket arm and can rifle the ball down field to our speedsters when the safety gets nosy.
Why are these offense so difficult to stop?
Its simple foot ball is about numbers, and with a running qb the defense must commit all 11 men to an assignment. When palmer is the qb the defense does not have to assign anyone to hima and it leaves an extra defender to play the run or in coverage. You are plying 10 on offense against 11 on defense with a non mobile qb.
pryor is in the top 3-4 in the nfl right this moment in terms of his ability to ruin from the qb spot.
kappy, newton rgiii and pryor all have similar running ability.
washington sf, and carolina have all figured this out, whats up with oakland?
December 12th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Mistic, you had a Freudian slip there for a minute, I’m sure you’ll hear it from your detractors, “ability to ruin.”
No one knows if Pryor can or can’t play at a high level efficiency in the NFL, but I agree with you about languishing on the sidelines. There is however enough pressure from the fans on both Junior and the ZarMac to give Pryor sufficient playing time to gauge his effectiveness. I’m not sure if they will, and if they do I’m sure it will be for showcasing for trading value purposes.
Junior said already that Carcux is one of the players he’s leaning on to go forward in the future. Unless, Junior gets a college gig offer, he isn’t going anywhere soon.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am
This is getting old dude. It seems like a no brainer to you because you ASSUME Pryor is as good as RG111, Cam, or Kappy. It is a blind assumption. Nothing Pryor has done suggests he is even in the same league as those guys. Pryor made 4 plays against a scrub squad defense. Those guys in the preseason made plays against starters, AND they were consistant in their ability to make plays. Pryor was consistantly awful, aside from those 4 plays.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:32 am
washington sf, and carolina have all figured this out, whats up with oakland?
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To be fair, Carolina hasn’t really figured anything out. They still suck behind Newton.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:35 am
It’s definetly about time to see what Pryor can do, but he’s definetly not the answer to our problems. A good offensive line is more important than a QB who can run. If they give Palmer enough time, he can win games.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am
This is getting old dude. It seems like a no brainer to you because you ASSUME Pryor is as good as RG111, Cam, or Kappy. It is a blind assumption. Nothing Pryor has done suggests he is even in the same league as those guys. Pryor made 4 plays against a scrub squad defense. Those guys in the preseason made plays against starters, AND they were consistant in their ability to make plays. Pryor was consistantly awful, aside from those 4 pla
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Hey Bcz24-read cork chat, he confirmed there is a salary cap hit when Seymour is cut next year. guess you either had wrong info or were misinformed when you claimed no affect to salary cap if seymour is contract is voided
December 12th, 2012 at 10:38 am
zopi Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Mistic, you had a Freudian slip there for a minute, I’m sure you’ll hear it from your detractors, “ability to ruin.”
No one knows if Pryor can or can’t play at a high level efficiency in the NFL, but I agree with you about languishing on the sidelines. There is however enough pressure from the fans on both Junior and the ZarMac to give Pryor sufficient playing time to gauge his effectiveness. I’m not sure if they will, and if they do I’m sure it will be for showcasing for trading value purposes.
Junior said already that Carcux is one of the players he’s leaning on to go forward in the future. Unless, Junior gets a college gig offer, he isn’t going anywhere soon.
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The staff is a joke
they should have implemented these concepts since the off season
They are now behind the times while the offense in seattle washinton carolina and sf are viewd as cutting edge.
I wouldnt put much stock into any so called votes of confidence. Loosing teams are often questioned about job security and futures, for players coaches and executives, and they will always answer with the most non threatening language possible.
The coach would be unwise to say anything other than he is pleased with carson as carson seems to be one of his few allies left.
Coaches execs, players and owners always lie about job security and the future when the teams are loosing.
i only hope when knapp puts in pryor in the predictable run situation that we know the entire defense knows is coming, pryor still finds a way to make a play or two.
If pryor can manage a couple of big plays, it will force the hands of this gutless unimaginative staff.
I want pryor to force a qb competition for next year.
carson stinks!
December 12th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Everybody is in favor of giving Pryor some playing time… no need to convince us he is the next Elway. He will play, and we will see what we have. I am hoping he is an accurate passer, actually, thats what I hope for all our QBs…
December 12th, 2012 at 10:42 am
reggie made alot of bad decisions, but I dont think i can blame him for certain about Hue.Mark Davis could have been the catalyst.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:43 am
It would be awesome if Pryor plays at a level where next year he would be competing for a starting job vs Palmer. But dont spill your beans yet, lets see him play a little.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Hey Bcz24-read cork chat, he confirmed there is a salary cap hit when Seymour is cut next year. guess you either had wrong info or were misinformed when you claimed no affect to salary cap if seymour is contract is voided
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Actually, I said there would be 5.2 million cap hit due to the acceleration of his signing bonus from this years restructure.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:44 am
637.nycraider Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 10:42 am
reggie made alot of bad decisions, but I dont think i can blame him for certain about Hue.Mark Davis could have been the catalyst.
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True, I hope this entire coaching staff is gone next year, but i hope it’s Reggies call and not Mark’s. If so, then we’re in for more Al Davis like moves without the track record of any type of success.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:47 am
I always thought Signing bonuses didn’t affect the Salary Cap, which is why Al used to always give more in Bonus than Salary.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:48 am
I’d like to see Pryor but I’m not confident in this staff’s abilities. Do we really want Knapp’s greasy mitts on Pryor?
December 12th, 2012 at 10:49 am
bcz24 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 10:30 am
This is getting old dude. It seems like a no brainer to you because you ASSUME Pryor is as good as RG111, Cam, or Kappy.
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No bra, i dont assume anything. I already know he can run like them, anybody that doesnt know that is a fool.
He runs a 4.4. that is blinding speed form a 235-240lb qb
We know he can throw it deep, he walked into the nfl with these two attributes. i have not compared him to rgIII as a passer, no one in the nfl is accurate to every part of the field as griffin is. pryor does not have to be as good passing as rgIII to make the offense im proposing work.
We know he has mastered the zone read, we know that dmac did as well.
This is what makes it a no brainer.
We dont know yet is how efficient he can be or accurate down to down, or how he manages a game, or makes decisions.
This will have to be found out by actually playing the man.
I know it ‘getting old” to you, simply because of your ridiculous palmer worship.
Im sure if i was writing about how palmer could be used more efeectivly you would have nothing to say about it.
problem is i cant write on that we have seen the best palmer has to offer, and it consist of 37 turn overs in 23 games.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Signing bonuses push the cap hit to later years.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:51 am
True, I hope this entire coaching staff is gone next year, but i hope it’s Reggies call and not Mark’s. If so, then we’re in for more Al Davis like moves without the track record of any type of success.
Meddlesome Mark is just learning how to be a bigshot
December 12th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Bjoern Werner anyone?
December 12th, 2012 at 11:01 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 10:32 am
washington sf, and carolina have all figured this out, whats up with oakland?
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To be fair, Carolina hasn’t really figured anything out. They still suck behind Newton.
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Untrue
newton started slowly this year, but has bounced back over the last 6 weeks. The offense is very good, this with an o line that lost all 3 interior line men and running backs under performing.
carolina isnt a good enough team to overcome mistakes, and even when newton plays error free the defense is awful. they have given up late 4th querter leads and final drives for tds to lose games 5-6 times this year.
Have you been watching the games?
December 12th, 2012 at 11:01 am
646.aking4life Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Bjoern Werner anyone?
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Is that a new lite beer?
December 12th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Plunk… but it was reggies decision to bring Da here. Lol if mark is thinking gruden im liking his logic right about now because reggies coaching choice has flopped majorly thus far.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:03 am
It seems like a no brainer to you because you ASSUME Pryor is as good as RG111, Cam, or Kappy. It is a blind assumption. Nothing Pryor has done suggests he is even in the same league as those guys. Pryor made 4 plays against a scrub squad defense. Those guys in the preseason made plays against starters, AND they were consistant in their ability to make plays. Pryor was consistantly awful, aside from those 4 plays.
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Yep. And there are so many who are crying out for TP time. We saw enough sidearm throws to the dirt and rainbow passes over practice squad corners who are destined to be future insurance salesmen. TP is a horrible QB and wasted 3rd round draft pick. No need to sugar coat it. Accept it and move on. There’s nothing to salvage there. I’m sure Reggie tried and failed to get a buyer. His release is inevitable.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:04 am
647.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:01 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 10:32 am
washington sf, and carolina have all figured this out, whats up with oakland?
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To be fair, Carolina hasn’t really figured anything out. They still suck behind Newton.
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Untrue
newton started slowly this year, but has bounced back over the last 6 weeks. The offense is very good, this with an o line that lost all 3 interior line men and running backs under performing.
carolina isnt a good enough team to overcome mistakes, and even when newton plays error free the defense is awful. they have given up late 4th querter leads and final drives for tds to lose games 5-6 times this year.
Have you been watching the games?
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Only really seen Carolina vs the Eagles. But their Record says enough for me.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:04 am
I want kyle shanahan coaching this team next year, or maybe dana holferson coaching the offense.
i would take chip kelly as well.
these guys would know exactly what to do with pryor and breath some life into our painfully dreadful offense.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 10th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Just a quick point for all you guys calling Reggie a dummy. The new contract he wrote for Seymour that changed his pay from 15 mill to 3 mill this year voided for next year based on Seymour missing games. We owe him nothing and take no cap hit next year for him
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Hey BCZ24, you gonna deny this post..maybe someone posed as you when you said this. You disappeared after i asked you for proof.Looks to me you said no cap hit next year for seymour..LOL
December 12th, 2012 at 11:05 am
641.The_Judge37 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 10:47 am
I always thought Signing bonuses didn’t affect the Salary Cap, which is why Al used to always give more in Bonus than Salary.
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A signing bonus has the advantage that it can be prorated over the live of a contract up to a maximum of 5 years, for example, a 20 million salary would cost 20 million towards to the cap where as a 20 million signing bonus would count 4 mill per year for 5 years. The caveat is, if the player is cut, retires, is traded or for any other reason is no longer on the roster prior to the end of that 5 years, then any remaining prorated future amount accellerates to the current years cap. So if the player with the 4 mill per year on is cut after year 2, there is a 12 million cap charge on the next years cap, this is referred to as ‘dead money’. This dead money has been an enormous problem for the Raiders for years, because Al handed out signing bonus after signing bonus in an attempt to manipulate the cap.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:06 am
So far Reggie can only take credit for two Linebackers. Everyone else he’s drafted or signed hasn’t done much. I don’t put too much stock into Criner or Streater bcause the hype was the same for Murphy and Schilenz
December 12th, 2012 at 11:08 am
654. bcz24
Thanks for that. So i guess my next question is, should Reggie try and settle us up, or do what Al did, because the Salary Cap never stopped Al from signing who ever he wanted.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:04 am
I want kyle shanahan coaching this team next year, or maybe dana holferson coaching the offense.
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I want no Shanhanigans coaching this team. Gotta draw the line somewhere.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:10 am
ey BCZ24, you gonna deny this post..maybe someone posed as you when you said this. You disappeared after i asked you for proof.Looks to me you said no cap hit next year for seymour..LOL
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Would you like a cookie? You caught me.
I ‘disappeared’ after I wrote that post because after I read those tweets I did more research on my own and found it to be incorrect. I corrected myself the next morning in stating that Sey’s signing bonus will be the only cap charge.
Go ahead and send me your address, I will send you the ‘Astute commenter of the week’ award for catching me posting without doing my due diligence.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:05 am
641.The_Judge37 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 10:47 am
I always thought Signing bonuses didn’t affect the Salary Cap, which is why Al used to always give more in Bonus than Salary.
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A signing bonus has the advantage that it can be prorated over the live of a contract up to a maximum of 5 years, for example, a 20 million salary would cost 20 million towards to the cap where as a 20 million signing bonus would count 4 mill per year for 5 years. The caveat is, if the player is cut, retires, is traded or for any other reason is no longer on the roster prior to the end of that 5 years, then any remaining prorated future amount accellerates to the current years cap. So if the player with the 4 mill per year on is cut after year 2, there is a 12 million cap charge on the next years cap, this is referred to as ‘dead money’. This dead money has been an enormous problem for the Raiders for years, because Al handed out signing bonus after signing bonus in an attempt to manipulate the cap.
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stop blaming AL for Reggies bad decision. he had a chance to cut seymour in feb , save 7.5 mill..instead he gives him a new contract which when cut hits our cap by 5+ million next year, bad move for a gm who claims 2012 is a rebuilding year. This is 100% on Reggie..no excuses
December 12th, 2012 at 11:12 am
guest123 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:03 am
It seems like a no brainer to you because you ASSUME Pryor is as good as RG111, Cam, or Kappy. It is a blind assumption. Nothing Pryor has done suggests he is even in the same league as those guys. Pryor made 4 plays against a scrub squad defense. Those guys in the preseason made plays against starters, AND they were consistant in their ability to make plays. Pryor was consistantly awful, aside from those 4 plays.
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Yep. And there are so many who are crying out for TP time. We saw enough sidearm throws to the dirt and rainbow passes over practice squad corners who are destined to be future insurance salesmen. TP is a horrible QB and wasted 3rd round draft pick.
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Not sure what you were looking at but pryor posted better numbers and made bigger plays than any other qb on our roster in the preseason.
No it it isnt based on only 4 plays like you want to sell it either.
he had 1 poor game and it was his first time on nfl football field for any play that counted.
he bounced back and played well after ward. he got better with every snap.
19/32 59% cmp 251 yds 7.8 ypa 2td 1 int 92.1 qb rate
rushing 14 att 121 yards 8.6 ypa 1 td
Please tell me on what part of the earth that these numbers would be viewed as anything other than outstanding for a rookie qb?
Oh and by the way it was the only game we won.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Even if it means taking a cap hit for releasing Seymour and other dead money, Reggie should swallow that pain pill and get it over with. We can’t reload without ammo, and these poison contracts are holding us back.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:14 am
658. Damm so the information on 654 might not be true? That’s it, now i’m convinced the Salary Cap is just some imaginary thing like our Trillion dollar National Debt.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:10 am
ey BCZ24, you gonna deny this post..maybe someone posed as you when you said this. You disappeared after i asked you for proof.Looks to me you said no cap hit next year for seymour..LOL
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Would you like a cookie? You caught me.
I ‘disappeared’ after I wrote that post because after I read those tweets I did more research on my own and found it to be incorrect. I corrected myself the next morning in stating that Sey’s signing bonus will be the only cap charge.
Go ahead and send me your address, I will send you the ‘Astute commenter of the week’ award for catching me posting without doing my due diligence.
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LOL..and you win the biggest pr1ck award, send my your address and ill define the term condescending for you..
December 12th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Thanks for that. So i guess my next question is, should Reggie try and settle us up, or do what Al did, because the Salary Cap never stopped Al from signing who ever he wanted.
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Doing it Al’s way DID stop him from signing who ever he wanted, he would just never admit that. Also Al’s way didn’t translate to wins. (Remember during the Gruden years Mike Lombardi was the personell guy, and he wasn’t playing cap roulette like Al did). If Al’s way was effective, other teams would do it. Al’s way didn’t allow you to fill out the rest of the team, and eventually that house of cards comes crashing down (as evidenced by the 2012 Raiders)
December 12th, 2012 at 11:17 am
stop blaming AL for Reggies bad decision. he had a chance to cut seymour in feb , save 7.5 mill..instead he gives him a new contract which when cut hits our cap by 5+ million next year, bad move for a gm who claims 2012 is a rebuilding year. This is 100% on Reggie..no excuses
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Reggie needed that extra money this year to bolster our Practice Squad.
ISI – Iron Sharpening Iron
December 12th, 2012 at 11:17 am
All his numbers are loaded on top of busted defensive plays. No doubt he looks the part when he runs, fluid, fast, athletic. But he can’t throw. He just can’t. Look at his sinkers and sliders in the dirt. He should be a crafty major league pitcher the way he puts spin on the ball. He’s got no zip and he telegraphs his throws every time. His footwork is atrocious, and never looks past his second read or for that matter know where his hot read is. He just tucks and jets when the pressure comes.
In summary, he doesn’t pass the eyeball test. Like Taiwan Jones has been asked to consider switching positions to keep a job, so should Pryor. He’s no NFL QB and never will be.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:19 am
664.bcz24 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Thanks for that. So i guess my next question is, should Reggie try and settle us up, or do what Al did, because the Salary Cap never stopped Al from signing who ever he wanted.
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Doing it Al’s way DID stop him from signing who ever he wanted, he would just never admit that. Also Al’s way didn’t translate to wins. (Remember during the Gruden years Mike Lombardi was the personell guy, and he wasn’t playing cap roulette like Al did). If Al’s way was effective, other teams would do it. Al’s way didn’t allow you to fill out the rest of the team, and eventually that house of cards comes crashing down (as evidenced by the 2012 Raiders)
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Well Al just made bad choices on who he signed. But he still always had money to do it. Javon Walker, DeAngelo Hall come to mind on poor choices.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Guest123 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Even if it means taking a cap hit for releasing Seymour and other dead money, Reggie should swallow that pain pill and get it over with. We can’t reload without ammo, and these poison contracts are holding us back.
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Reggie NOW has no choice, he gave Seymour a 15-16 mil contract (except for maybe restructuring). He paid the signing bonus already , but the CBA allows the signing bonus to be spread out over the length of a contract. If a player is cut however, the remaining portion of the signing bonus hits the cap the year the contract is voided. Bottom line, Reggie had a chance in 2012 to cut Seymour, he didnt , then gave him a 15-16 mil contract for 2013 and now when cut our salary cap is affected by 5+mil. Poor decision for a gm claiming to be rebuilding. 5 mil could bring in a legit CB, oh well, maybe Reggie will bring back Bartell
December 12th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Knapp and allen are under intense scrutiny.
How can they save their tarnished reputations?
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Knapp and Allen’s reputations are fine. Last time I looked it’s the Raiders that have been dysfunctional, foolish and irrelevant for a decade. Unless you have been cryonic ally frozen this century.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:24 am
o it it isnt based on only 4 plays like you want to sell it either.
he had 1 poor game and it was his first time on nfl football field for any play that counted.
he bounced back and played well after ward. he got better with every snap.
19/32 59% cmp 251 yds 7.8 ypa 2td 1 int 92.1 qb rate
rushing 14 att 121 yards 8.6 ypa 1 td
Please tell me on what part of the earth that these numbers would be viewed as anything other than outstanding for a rookie qb?
Oh and by the way it was the only game we won.
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Take away those 4 plays and tell me what his stats are. I realize that those 4 plays occured and have to be counted, but facts are facts, those 4 plays artificially padded his stats. You can not tell me Pryor was outstanding without those 4 plays to help his numbers, because it isn’t true. He wasn’t even mediocre.
And stop with this Palmer worship thing, I am not rooting against pryor, I do not want him to fail, I am not a Pryor hater. In my opinion, based on what I have seen from his college days, and what he did in the preseason, he isn’t anywhere even close to RG3 or Cam or Kappy or Wilson. I would say, based on what I have seen with my own 2 eyes, that we would be lucky if he was as good as Gradkowski.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:24 am
I know Gruden is not coming to Oakland (most likely), but the reason it engendered hope for those few minutes Hub Arkush made us think he was, is because there’s a level of confidence he would know how to right the ship.
He’s a guy you figure that would not tolerate the garbage we’re seeing now…at least not without a major fight. There’s a level of confidence in a guy like Gruden that he’s obsessed with winning…NOT that he always DID win, but he did everything he could to do so.
Of course these guys in charge now WANT to win, but you almost get the feeling they’d rather lose their way, then win trying another way.
With some of the decisions that have been made…and most importantly the horribly unacceptable performance on the field…the record setting futility… a “commitment to doing whatever is necessary to win games” is not the first thing I think of when I look at this team.
When you are this bad EVERYTHING comes into question; but DA said “hang in there” so i guess that should be enough for me.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Knapp and Allen’s reputations are fine. Last time I looked it’s the Raiders that have been dysfunctional, foolish and irrelevant for a decade. Unless you have been cryonic ally frozen this century.
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“Character is like a tree and reputation like a shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.” Abe Lincoln
December 12th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Im hearing Pryor and Palmer both gone in a month or so,..Pryor for sure,…Palmer will likely not restructure, his way of retiting again,…Palmer will be out of football in three weeks…I see Knapp working with Leinert next year,..DMC gone for sure, Reg should be able to get a 3rd for him….anyway, thats what Im hearing. Word.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:28 am
guest123 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:17 am
All his numbers are loaded on top of busted defensive plays. No doubt he looks the part when he runs, fluid, fast, athletic. But he can’t throw. He just can’t.
He’s got no zip
and never looks past his second read or for that matter know where his hot read is.
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your take doesnt matcht match the 19/32 59.4 cmp% he posted.
You must have missed his 72 yard perfectly thrown rocket shot to criner, that had as much “zip’ as you are going to see in the nfl, and he did on the run.
Did you have the sound down when he payed the lions? Gruden pointed out on more than one occasion how pryor WENT THROUGH HIS READS AND FULL RPOGRESSIONS. you probably didnt watch at all.
pryor also threw receivers open by using back shoulder technique, and manipulated the secondary with eyes and created passing lanes.
sorry but the game film and numbers simply contradict what you are trying to say about him.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:29 am
DJ,…Jons not returning,..I got that confirmed from up high,..it sucks I agree.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Well Al just made bad choices on who he signed. But he still always had money to do it. Javon Walker, DeAngelo Hall come to mind on poor choices.
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Sure you can operate that way. BUT that is only a means of a 1 or 2 year run. Nothing else. You can not build for longevity via that means. It doesn’t work. Would rather go all in to win 1 year (which all did repeatedly and failed every single time) or would you rather take your lumps in the short term and do things the right way so you never have to go through it again.
For every example of a GREAT FA signing in the NFL there are 100 failures.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Mistic,..Pryor might get in a gimmick play Sunday,..maybe two times,..but hes not a QB and not a Raider in a month. Sorry man,..you will have to obsess about someone else.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:30 am
I like palmer but I’m ready for Pryor to get a few starts just to see what he has.
I don’t think it will be good enough to just put him in on a couple of gimmick packages, it would suck if they do that then he goes somewhere else and is productive.
Bring on Pryor, we have nothing to lose.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:31 am
What Reggie should do is see what Balke would take for Alex Smith,..strait trade for DMC would be awesome,…DMC can back Gore up and we have a starting QB for several years,…I will mention it to Reg Sunday.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:32 am
who’s your source then JohnGruden2013?
December 12th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Cant play Pryor much, Reg wants a 7th rounder for him,..if he plays he wont get that.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Sorry Hawk,..not telling you.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Alex Smith??? PFFFFF! wtf? Are you high?
December 12th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Haven’t weighed in on the Pryor argument, so here goes…
Might as well play him. At this point I could care less what they do.
I am so disgusted with every member and aspect of this team that nothing they do, short of firing coaches and cutting players, means anything until next season.
Hell, at least it would give me something new to talk about.
The Raiders are the worst franchise in professional sports… breaks my heart to write that, but what hurts even more is they don’t even care enough to do anything about it.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Then your full of beans then Jon, plain and simple.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Did you have the sound down when he payed the lions? Gruden pointed out on more than one occasion how pryor WENT THROUGH HIS READS AND FULL RPOGRESSIONS. you probably didnt watch at all.
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Come on! You are going to defend Pryor with praise from Gruden? He loves everyone. The backup Tight End in Arizona is a great great athlete and super player in Gruden’s eyes when he catches a routine 10 yard catch in preseason. Gruden doesn’t have anything bad to say about anybody. Find a better evaluator to heap praise on Pryor. Mayock maybe. Anybody but Gruden.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:33 am
669.Seymour Bush Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Knapp and allen are under intense scrutiny.
How can they save their tarnished reputations?
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Knapp and Allen’s reputations are fine. Last time I looked it’s the Raiders that have been dysfunctional, foolish and irrelevant for a decade. Unless you have been cryonic ally frozen this century.
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In fairness it was SEVEN (7) years of dysfunction and futility with the prior two years being in the playoff hunt up until the final game.
I know those 2 years didn’t exist and have been wiped from the record books due to there being some close games that could’ve gone either way, and us beating some subpar teams along the way, but this January will mark the 10th anniversary of the SB game against Tampa.
8-8 isn’t great…it’s mediocre and of course we all aspire to better things than that…but THIS… is a slam dunk return to our worst days as a franchise.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:34 am
The Niners are going to move on from Alex Smith,..I think its a solid chance Alex is a Raider real soon. I hope so. Knapp will be able to roll out with him, like Shaub.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:34 am
back n black,
I feel the same way but I do feel that they are doing something about it. Taking our lumps this year to build a consistant, winning football team.
it’ll get better, I still believe that but I also know that it’s hard to watch right now.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:35 am
doesnt it say something about Reggie and his Staff when they are willing to give practice squad players a chance, but wont give pryor who at a minimum is a much better athlete than any other raiders. especially in comparison to the practice squad guys reggie has brought in.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:35 am
I agree that Pryor will not be the subject of discussion on this blog next year. Like him or not, he’s not in the teams plans. Move on.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Put down the hash pipe Jon, if Alex were half as good as you seem to think he is he wouldn’t have gotten benched for a rookie this year when he was actually playing half way decent.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Reggie screwed the pooch on Seymour’s contract.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Pryor will be let go in about three weeks, and not a single NFL team will pick him up. Just the way it is.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:36 am
683.raiderjhawk Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Alex Smith??? PFFFFF! wtf? Are you high?
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Don’t blame that one on Drugs, you’ll give it a bad Rep
December 12th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Harbaugh is making a mistake. You will see.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Alex Smith would set us back another couple of years. Signing him would just be foolishness.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:38 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Pryor will be let go in about three weeks, and not a single NFL team will pick him up. Just the way it is.
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truth hurts. but this needs to be said.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Alex Smith is good,…killed the Raiders both times hes played them,..married to a Raiderette,..lives in Los Gatos,..he will be a Raider. Word.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Guest123 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:35 am
I agree that Pryor will not be the subject of discussion on this blog next year. Like him or not, he’s not in the teams plans. Move on.
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I agree and will move on as long as people stop talking about Hue. At least Pryor is on our team
December 12th, 2012 at 11:39 am
679.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:31 am
What Reggie should do is see what Balke would take for Alex Smith,..strait trade for DMC would be awesome,…DMC can back Gore up and we have a starting QB for several years,…I will mention it to Reg Sunday.
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If you’re really in position to give this Front Office your opinions, and they really consider them, then no wonder they keep failing. Not meant to take a shot at you, but your opinions are pretty horrible.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:39 am
wonder have many faithful raider fans will be happy with the Knapp- alex smith combo..LOL
December 12th, 2012 at 11:39 am
bcz24 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:24 am
o it it isnt based on only 4 plays like you want to sell it either.
he had 1 poor game and it was his first time on nfl football field for any play that counted.
he bounced back and played well after ward. he got better with every snap.
19/32 59% cmp 251 yds 7.8 ypa 2td 1 int 92.1 qb rate
rushing 14 att 121 yards 8.6 ypa 1 td
Please tell me on what part of the earth that these numbers would be viewed as anything other than outstanding for a rookie qb?
Oh and by the way it was the only game we won.
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Take away those 4 plays and tell me what his stats are.
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bcz we have been through this before.
why do you want to take plays off the board when he actually made them?
Nobody evaluates a plyer and excludes positive plays made by the player being evaluated!??!?
The fact that he made these four plays you seem fixated on, only means that he needs to be on the field more often. This proves that he is capable of making explosive plays in bunches.
Im certain if ti were palmer that made those plays you would not take them off the board.
your agenda is thinner than nary kate olsen
December 12th, 2012 at 11:39 am
raiderjhawk Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Alex Smith would set us back another couple of years. Signing him would just be foolishness.
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I’ll take that. Couple of years ago we were 8-8
December 12th, 2012 at 11:41 am
702.nycraider Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:39 am
wonder have many faithful raider fans will be happy with the Knapp- alex smith combo..LOL
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Raider logo will have to be amended to wear Two Eye Patches.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:41 am
684.Back-n-Black Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Haven’t weighed in on the Pryor argument, so here goes…
Might as well play him. At this point I could care less what they do.
I am so disgusted with every member and aspect of this team that nothing they do, short of firing coaches and cutting players, means anything until next season.
Hell, at least it would give me something new to talk about.
The Raiders are the worst franchise in professional sports… breaks my heart to write that, but what hurts even more is they don’t even care enough to do anything about it.
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I’m glad there are guys like you out there. You broke it down perfectly.
Someone called everyone out on being “gullible fans” for anyone that bought in at all to the Gruden rumors and at first I defended that accusation with the fact that the “rumor” started from a guy who has been a respected and tenured sports analyst/insider for over 30 yr’s; but as it turns out yes I was “gullible”…”Gullible” to have the nerve to think that this org would actually do something like that and give us something to have hope in.
Yep. Guilty. I should have known better.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:42 am
your take doesnt matcht match the 19/32 59.4 cmp% he posted.
You must have missed his 72 yard perfectly thrown rocket shot to criner, that had as much “zip’ as you are going to see in the nfl, and he did on the run.
Did you have the sound down when he payed the lions? Gruden pointed out on more than one occasion how pryor WENT THROUGH HIS READS AND FULL RPOGRESSIONS. you probably didnt watch at all.
pryor also threw receivers open by using back shoulder technique, and manipulated the secondary with eyes and created passing lanes.
sorry but the game film and numbers simply contradict what you are trying to say about him.
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You obviously didn’t watch it. BOTH of his long TD’s to Criner were prayers that Criner made plays on. Pryor said himself that they were ducks and that Criner really saved his ass on those. The 76 yarder was thrown about 20 yards from the LOS and it was an overthrow, Criner made an amazing finger tip catch and did the rest himself. The other 39 yarder was an ill advised underthrown into coverage that Criner also made an outstanding play on.
Feel free to watch them again, and judge for yourself
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012082553/2012/PRE3/lions@raiders#menu=highlights&tab=analyze
Oh and without those 2 plays, Pryor was 17/30 56.6% completion (56% isn’t very good, contrary to mistics opinion) for 136 yards. Thats 8 yards per completion. Also not very good. Like I said those 2 plays alone totally skewed the stat line. Take them away and suddenly Pryor is pretty mediocre. I would NEVER call 17/30 for 136 yards and 0 tds ‘outstanding’
December 12th, 2012 at 11:42 am
POST-700,WELL PUT..
December 12th, 2012 at 11:42 am
I agree that Harbaugh made a mistake…Kappy is really not thier answer either…but Smith will be gone from SF at season’s end for them!
December 12th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Making a mistake? Holy cow dude… I’d take my chances with Kappernick any day over Alex Smith. That guy looked like a back up at best until he finally had a good system in front of him. Kind of like Matt Cassel in NE… Alex Smith would be Jason Campbell Re dux.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:43 am
bcz24 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Well Al just made bad choices on who he signed. But he still always had money to do it. Javon Walker, DeAngelo Hall come to mind on poor choices.
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Sure you can operate that way. BUT that is only a means of a 1 or 2 year run. Nothing else. You can not build for longevity via that means. It doesn’t work. Would rather go all in to win 1 year (which all did repeatedly and failed every single time) or would you rather take your lumps in the short term and do things the right way so you never have to go through it again.
For every example of a GREAT FA signing in the NFL there are 100 failures.
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Let’s examine these statements for a second. When Ted Thompson got the gig in Green Bay the very lst thing he did was go get Charles Woodson. Woodson is a lst ballot HOFer and has played very well for them. Do you know how Thompson could do that? Because the GB financial house was in order when Thompson took over. Do you think we could have used Woodson the last 7 years? But we couldn’t pay him because our financial house was a wreck and it STILL is.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Alex Smith is like Trent Dilfer. You don’t send him to save a team, you just hope he doesn’t cost your top 5 defense a game.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:47 am
nycraider Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Guest123 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:35 am
I agree that Pryor will not be the subject of discussion on this blog next year. Like him or not, he’s not in the teams plans. Move on.
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I agree and will move on as long as people stop talking about Hue. At least Pryor is on our team
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Thank you for saying this. I don’t want to hear about Hue Jackson. I don’t want to hear about Gruden. I don’t want to hear about Cam Newton. None of those guys are on the team. Allen is. McKenzie is. Pryor is. McFadden and McClain are about to be former Raiders. These are the things I want to talk about. The people who are here. And people who can make us better.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:47 am
LOL, I just read that Paul McCartney…Sir Paul McCartney is the new lead singer for Nirvana…What the…
December 12th, 2012 at 11:47 am
guest123 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Did you have the sound down when he payed the lions? Gruden pointed out on more than one occasion how pryor WENT THROUGH HIS READS AND FULL RPOGRESSIONS. you probably didnt watch at all.
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Come on! You are going to defend Pryor with praise from Gruden?
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gruden is a former super bowl winning head coach.
he made a qb out of gannon.
gruden coached steve young
i think he knows if a qb can go through progressions or read the defnse when he is watching a qb play.
Gruden could not have :”praised’ pryor on reading the defense if it didnt actually happen, but it did.
Wow what planet are you cats on?
Ill take grudens opinion over yours, and he contradicts what you say 100%
“You can’t be more impressed with the guy physically,” said Gruden, via Pro Football Talk. “He’s all of six-foot-five, he’s 235 pounds. He’s a double threat. He’s one of those guys that can be a terror to defenses. He’s got some work to doBut he does have rare talent.” – john gruden
December 12th, 2012 at 11:48 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:41 am
684.Back-n-Black Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Haven’t weighed in on the Pryor argument, so here goes…
Might as well play him. At this point I could care less what they do.
I am so disgusted with every member and aspect of this team that nothing they do, short of firing coaches and cutting players, means anything until next season.
Hell, at least it would give me something new to talk about.
The Raiders are the worst franchise in professional sports… breaks my heart to write that, but what hurts even more is they don’t even care enough to do anything about it.
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I’m glad there are guys like you out there. You broke it down perfectly.
Someone called everyone out on being “gullible fans” for anyone that bought in at all to the Gruden rumors and at first I defended that accusation with the fact that the “rumor” started from a guy who has been a respected and tenured sports analyst/insider for over 30 yr’s; but as it turns out yes I was “gullible”…”Gullible” to have the nerve to think that this org would actually do something like that and give us something to have hope in.
Yep. Guilty. I should have known better.
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Man I feel your pain, when i look at my 16 year old son who i brainwashed at 4 years old to live and die as a raider fan, I sometimes wonder why did I do this to him especially with all the heat he takes from his buddies who root for the giants. At least i got to witness 3 superbowl wins. But , die hard fans like us are the only thing keeping Raider tradition alive right now. Its sad bc I had hoped reggie as an ex Raider would restore our team. Yes reggie has his excuses, yes he be here next year. But Reggie needs to make a move to give us hope..
December 12th, 2012 at 11:48 am
689.raiderjhawk Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:34 am
back n black,
I feel the same way but I do feel that they are doing something about it. Taking our lumps this year to build a consistant, winning football team.
it’ll get better, I still believe that but I also know that it’s hard to watch right now.
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So the big accomplishment is basically that they fielded possibly the worst team in franchise history and did nothing to prevent that?
They have shown NOTHING that gives me ANY confidence whatsoever that they are the ones to bring brighter days to Oakland…outside of their willingness to sit back and take azz beatings from almost everyone they played.
Maybe you’re seeing something that i am not.
Believe me…i don’t want to feel this way.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:49 am
There are people who want to do things the quick way and people who want to do things the right way.
Put me in the right way category please, even though these Raiders are hard to watch I at least feel that we are moving in the right direction. No more scholarship players, no more crazy contracts for washed up players and no more head cases.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:49 am
“Hes got some work to doo…”….translation,..I will say it nicely,..hes not a quarterback and never will be,
December 12th, 2012 at 11:50 am
fire knapp.
(Sorry just had to throw that in there.)
December 12th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Alex Smith is getting kicked around pretty hard lately. Wasn’t a few weeks ago he was breaking a record on MFL. Something like 19 completions out of 20 attempts? He’s a good QB that plays within himself and doesn’t make critical mistakes. He’s not exiciting and doesn’t make the splash throws. But he can win games for you in bunches.
I don’t know what you all are thinking, but I’d be happy to have him as a Raider. And his mobility in this offense is a perfect match. Not that I endorse Knapp time, but if we are stuck with it, Alex would be an upgrade. And we could stand to lose DMC as well for what he costs in salary.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:51 am
No more scholarships, crazy contracts,…head cases,..and no more winning and exciting times. Dennis Allen can put a tweeker with a bucket of crank to sleep.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:52 am
he fact that he made these four plays you seem fixated on, only means that he needs to be on the field more often. This proves that he is capable of making explosive plays in bunches.
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Whoa whoa whoa, you said he played ‘outstanding’ even without those 4 plays. I proved that to be incorrect. I also adressed why I singled out those 4 plays. It is because they were an aberation. Why wasn’t he capable of making anything close to those 4 plays in any of the other 3 games?
I have no agenda. I truly hope Pryor IS the qb you say he is. That would be fantastic for our franchise, we are set at QB for a long long time, and he costs peanuts. Hoping he succeeds isn’t going to change the fact that I don’t believe he is the QB you say he is. Nor will it stop me from sharing my opinion on this forum.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Alex Smith will be a Raider,…real soon,..hopefully even swap for that piece of crap McFadden. DMC can go to SF and carry Gores helmet.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:52 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:49 am
“Hes got some work to doo…”….translation,..I will say it nicely,..hes not a quarterback and never will be,
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exactly.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:52 am
“not really
“on the slave plantation some slaves had privileges. They ere allowed to eat scraps form masa’s table, they were giving occasional time off, and even had thier pick of slave women at times.”
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They didn’t have the most important “privilege,” one that any athlete has, the freedom to walk away. No one makes a pro football player chose to play football.
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“Not much difference in the context that owners are hundreds of millions and billions in some cases.
a few million is nothing to them, its scraps from the table.”
Oh, get real. Now you’re playing the class card, pitting millionaire and multimillionaire players against owners who are even richer? Jesus.
BTW, these modern day references to “massahs” and to slaves never make references to the origins of slavery for the black people who were brought in chains to this hemisphere: other blacks from other tribes captured them and sold them into slavery for big bucks.
Nor do the commenters who love to use slavery references bother to refer to the fact that the practice of snatching people from other tribes is still very much alive in huge parts of Western Africa, that children are regularly trapped like an animal and then sold into other tribes to serve their masters. Not a white man around, mind you.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:52 am
The right direction? Down? WTF
December 12th, 2012 at 11:53 am
I’m convinced that guest and JonGruden are the same person.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:53 am
721.guest123 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Alex Smith is getting kicked around pretty hard lately. Wasn’t a few weeks ago he was breaking a record on MFL. Something like 19 completions out of 20 attempts? He’s a good QB that plays within himself and doesn’t make critical mistakes. He’s not exiciting and doesn’t make the splash throws. But he can win games for you in bunches.
I don’t know what you all are thinking, but I’d be happy to have him as a Raider. And his mobility in this offense is a perfect match. Not that I endorse Knapp time, but if we are stuck with it, Alex would be an upgrade. And we could stand to lose DMC as well for what he costs in salary.
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How about instead of trying to get guys to fit Greg Knapps offense, we just get rid of Greg Knapp?
December 12th, 2012 at 11:54 am
For everyone who wont even give Pryor a chance. i wish I could have had your opinion prior to the season on Andrew Luck, RGIII, Wilson, and tannehill..Arent they rookie qbs? Or are they 26 years old like the guy we drafted in the 3rd round. Give Pryor a chance. I laugh when a guy said reggie doesnt want to play Pryor bc he worth a 7th round pick and doesnt want to risk it, LOL..Ill risk a 7th round pick just in case Pryor does something no one expects him to do.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:56 am
trade DMC straight up for Alex Smith?
Talk about a tweeker and a bucket of coke. This isn’t even rational.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:57 am
word NYCraider. word.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:57 am
How about instead of trying to get guys to fit Greg Knapps offense, we just get rid of Greg Knapp?
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Isn’t that what we have all been saying? But we may not get our wish this time. The need to stress committment to coaches and continuity could well be the party line this offseason. They don’t want to be seen as kneejerk reactionists like the last decade. I don’t like Knapp either. I want him fired too. But blog opinion and $2.41 will still only get you a tall dark roast coffee at Starbucks.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:58 am
721.guest123 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Alex Smith is getting kicked around pretty hard lately. Wasn’t a few weeks ago he was breaking a record on MFL. Something like 19 completions out of 20 attempts? He’s a good QB that plays within himself and doesn’t make critical mistakes. He’s not exiciting and doesn’t make the splash throws. But he can win games for you in bunches.
I don’t know what you all are thinking, but I’d be happy to have him as a Raider. And his mobility in this offense is a perfect match. Not that I endorse Knapp time, but if we are stuck with it, Alex would be an upgrade. And we could stand to lose DMC as well for what he costs in salary.
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How about instead of trying to get guys to fit Greg Knapps offense, we just get rid of Greg Knapp?
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agreed, didnt reggie bring in guys like briesel to make knapps offense work..how did that work out.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:58 am
718,
But wasn’t it supposed “washed up players” and “head cases” that defined the Raiders when they reached the point of becoming the winningest organization in all of sports?
I know what u are saying though.
I also know teams can make quick turnarounds like the niners, and the colts and rams this yr., and the rams did it with a qb who is much worse statistically than the one we have currently.
The “right way” doesn’t have to be the slowest way.
December 12th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Alex Smith is like Trent Dilfer. You don’t send him to save a team, you just hope he doesn’t cost your top 5 defense a game.
> well i think Alex Smith is better suited to run this WC/NBS or whatever it is due to his mobility. Palmer has played well this year all things considered but to have a polished experienced QB like smith who can ALSO run when he has to has to be a bonus.
December 12th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
nycraider Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:54 am
For everyone who wont even give Pryor a chance. i wish I could have had your opinion prior to the season on Andrew Luck, RGIII, Wilson, and tannehill..Arent they rookie qbs? Or are they 26 years old like the guy we drafted in the 3rd round. Give Pryor a chance. I laugh when a guy said reggie doesnt want to play Pryor bc he worth a 7th round pick and doesnt want to risk it, LOL..Ill risk a 7th round pick just in case Pryor does something no one expects him to do.
>. why would Pryor play when they are paying palmer 10 mil+ to be the starter? you don’t pay 1o mil to somebody for being a backup. Pryor won’t start here unless palmer goes down with an injury.
December 12th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
raiderjhawk Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:56 am
trade DMC straight up for Alex Smith?
Talk about a tweeker and a bucket of coke. This isn’t even rational.
>. its rational if the team cuts palmer. i would trade McAnkle for a pack of smokes at this point
December 12th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Cam Newton is 10-19 as s starter. he is a loser by definition.
December 12th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
bcz24 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:42 am
your take doesnt matcht match the 19/32 59.4 cmp% he posted.
You must have missed his 72 yard perfectly thrown rocket shot to criner, that had as much “zip’ as you are going to see in the nfl, and he did on the run.
Did you have the sound down when he payed the lions? Gruden pointed out on more than one occasion how pryor WENT THROUGH HIS READS AND FULL RPOGRESSIONS. you probably didnt watch at all.
pryor also threw receivers open by using back shoulder technique, and manipulated the secondary with eyes and created passing lanes.
sorry but the game film and numbers simply contradict what you are trying to say about him.
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You obviously didn’t watch it. BOTH of his long TD’s to Criner were prayers that Criner made plays on. Pryor said himself that they were ducks and that Criner really saved his ass on those. The 76 yarder was thrown about 20 yards from the LOS and it was an overthrow, Criner made an amazing finger tip catch and did the rest himself. The other 39 yarder was an ill advised underthrown into coverage that Criner also made an outstanding play on.
Feel free to watch them again, and judge for yourself
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012082553/2012/PRE3/lions@raiders#menu=highlights&tab=analyze
Oh and without those 2 plays, Pryor was 17/30 56.6% completion (56% isn’t very good, contrary to mistics opinion) for 136 yards. Thats 8 yards per completion. Also not very good. Like I said those 2 plays alone totally skewed the stat line. Take them away and suddenly Pryor is pretty mediocre. I would NEVER call 17/30 for 136 yards and 0 tds ‘outstanding’
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lol still trying to take plays off the board as if they never happened.
First off If criner made a finger tip catch the ball had to be within his reach. so clearly pryor deserves half of the credit for throing the ball where criner could get it. this is the same argument you made when jc hit ford to beat kc the old “he bailed him out” argument. Didnt hold water then doesnt now.
Even if you did take them off (in you bizzaro alternate universe) the numbers left behind are still solid for a a guy that is seeing the field for the first time.
Any other rookie qb posting those numbers would greatly encourage the staff and team, and would warrant more playing time. ask ponder gabbert locker and kappy.
I diagree that 8 yards per completion is “bad” in fact that is outstanding
here are the top ten
Robert Griffin III, 8.28
Cam Newton, 8.26
Alex Smith, 7.98
Peyton Manning, 7.89
Tom Brady, 7.74
Matt Ryan, 7.70
Josh Freeman, 7.56
Russell Wilson, 7.55
Drew Brees, 7.53
Aaron Rodgers, 7.53
where is carson palmer on this list? # 17
so you can clealry see that the nfl considers 8 yards per pass very good.
By the way did you notice who tops the list rgIII and newton
wilson & freeman also in the top ten along with names we expect like manning brady brees and rodgers.
December 12th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
This post goes out to all the excuse makers, the guys who insist rebuilding cant be done in one year,….see below
2006 Browns 4-12
2007 Browns 10-6
2006 Redskins 5-11
2007 Redskins 9-7
2006 TB 4-12
2007 TB 9-7
2007 Ravens 5-11
2008 Ravens 11-5
2007 Falcons 4-12
2008 Falcons 11-5
2008 Bengals 4-11-1
2009 Bengals 10-6
2009 KC 4-12
2010 KC10-6
2009 TB 3-13
2010 TB10-6
2009 ST L 1-15
2010 STL 7-9
2009 Bengals 4-12
2010 Bengals 9-7(w/o CP3)
2010 Broncos 4-12
2011 Broncos 8-8(1st place)
2012 year of the Excuse—2013 No Excuses!!!
December 12th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Cam Newton is 10-19 as a starter. he is a loser by definition.
December 12th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
This post goes out to all the excuse makers, the guys who insist rebuilding cant be done in one year,….see below
2006 Browns 4-12
2007 Browns 10-6
2006 Redskins 5-11
2007 Redskins 9-7
2006 TB 4-12
2007 TB 9-7
2007 Ravens 5-11
2008 Ravens 11-5
2007 Falcons 4-12
2008 Falcons 11-5
2008 Bengals 4-11-1
2009 Bengals 10-6
2009 KC 4-12
2010 KC10-6
2009 TB 3-13
2010 TB10-6
2009 ST L 1-15
2010 STL 7-9
2010 Bengals 4-12
2011 Bengals 9-7(w/o CP3)
2010 Broncos 4-12
2011 Broncos 8-8(1st place)
2012 year of the Excuse—2013 No Excuses!!!
December 12th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
733.guest123 Says:
December 12th, 2012 at 11:57 am
How about instead of trying to get guys to fit Greg Knapps offense, we just get rid of Greg Knapp?
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Isn’t that what we have all been saying? But we may not get our wish this time. The need to stress committment to coaches and continuity could well be the party line this offseason. They don’t want to be seen as kneejerk reactionists like the last decade. I don’t like Knapp either. I want him fired too. But blog opinion and $2.41 will still only get you a tall dark roast coffee at Starbucks.
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I don’t think commitment to coaches and continuity apply to the worst offensive play caller in NFL history.