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Coordinators Knapp, Tarver expect leap in production next season

By Steve Corkran
Thursday, December 13th, 2012 at 3:52 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The burning question on the minds of many is, why take a Raiders offense that last season finished ninth in average yards and per game and 15th in average points per game and install a new blocking scheme and playbook?
To which, Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said: That’s a “good question; a question worth asking.”
In short, Knapp said, because you teach what you know best, and his system has a track record of working well.
The key is patience. Knapp and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver said their schemes are sound, but they take time to implement and for the players to learn. Bringing back as many players as possible from this year’s team and giving them a year to adjust are going to pay huge dividends.
“I’m a firm believer in the scheme,” Knapp said Thursday. “I’ve been to too many places and had too much experience to know it’s a very productive scheme. Like it is for anywhere you go, when coaching changes occur you want the coaches who are the teachers to teach what they know best. If you do that with the coaches, they’re going to have answers for the issues that come up in the system.”
Knapp said his history in retooling offenses shows that players need a year or so to get acclimated but, once they’re up to speed, good things happen.
“Every place I’ve been to, it’s usually going to take at least a year’s transition time to get everything taught … ,” Knapp said. “If you take a business structure and you make those changes, it’s going to take a year’s time to process everything and learn it. Once they master it, you can add to it. Right now, it’s taking some time.”
When posed the same question, why change the offense? Raiders coach Dennis Allen said he, too, is a firm believer in what Knapp is doing.
“There’s been a lot of change, and when there is a lot of change, sometimes you don’t get the results that you’re looking for right away,” Allen said. “But when you believe in something, and you stick to it and you know it’s the right plan, it ends up working out.”
Next season is when the Raiders can expect those results, Knapp said. And how is that going to manifest itself?
“More consistency and higher scoring points,” Knapp said, “because we’re not able to keep those drives long enough right now to get the points on the board. So, by keeping the system in place and keeping the bulk of the players here, now we keep the drives alive and we get our point total up into the mid-20s, and that’s what we want to be.
“If you’re in the mid-20s to high 20s, you’re going to be in the top 10 of the league in scoring, and that’s ultimately what has to happen. To get 11 guys on the same page, you need some reps and experience together and with a year’s offeseason work of that and a better offseason system, the performance level usually goes up the next season.”
In Knapp’s second season as offensive coordinator in three previous stops, his team’s scoring dropped by an average of 1.1 points per game and an average of 4.5 yards per game in Year 2.
Tarver said, “I want it now,” when asked about the time it takes to get a scheme at peak performance. “It’s a now business.”
At the same time, he said, the players are getting better as the season progresses, which is an encouraging sign that they are grasping the scheme.
“With the change of personnel, now they’re realizing what the scheme can do for them,” Tarver said. “It’s been good. With a year under our belts and keeping as many of these guys as we can, it’ll grow big time.”
Cornerback Michael Huff boasted of the Raiders having a top-five defense this season. He now says that the defense has a “long way to go” before it’s where it needs to be.
Bringing back as many players as possible is paramount.
“You want to keep a lot of the same guys there, especially in the secondary because it’s all really communication, talking and making sure everybody is on the same page,” Huff said.
Veteran defensive end Andre Carter said he understands how people might question the merit of bringing back the same scheme and many of the same players, given the lack of success this season.
However, he said he, too, has seen the value of continuity during the course of his long NFL career.
“I’ve had eight defensive coordinators in my career,” Carter said. “Learning the scheme takes a lot of time. The first year, yeah it’s tough. It’s all growing pains and you learn as you go. Coming into that second year, the comfort level is a little bit better, the communication is a little better and the execution is so different.
“This year is just a level for the growth and development of the younger guys, as well as the vets trying to adapt the new scheme and philosophy.”

– Middle linebacker Rolando McClain declined an interview request after practice.
McClain said, “Coach covered everything you could ask me. I ain’t got nothing to say about anything,” when asked if he wanted to speak with the media.
McClain, of course, was referencing Allen saying he and McClain had a talk Wednesday, at which time Allen outlined for McClain what he expected from him the rest of this season and beyond.
McClain was suspended for two games by the Raiders for conduct detrimental to the team. He returned from his suspension Monday as the Raiders backup middle linebacker and special teams player.

– Allen said defensive tackle Richard Seymour suffered a “setback” in his return from a hamstring injury.
Seymour missed the past five games as a result of the injury. He practiced Monday for the first time since he suffered the injury Nov. 4.
“We’ll evaluate him as we finish out the week, but I thought he practiced well yesterday and then early today,” Allen said. “It kind of grabbed him a little bit, so we’ll see.”

– Strong safety Tyvon Branch missed practice today for the third straight day this week. However, there is hope that he might be able to rebound in time to play Sunday against the Kansas City Chiefs.
“He was on the side working out with the trainers,” Allen said. “I’m hopeful that we’ll be able to get him out here and practice a little bit tomorrow. His mind-set is he wants to play this weekend.”

– The Raiders received an extension from the league in hopes of selling enough tickets by day’s end Friday to avoid the Chiefs game being blacked out.
The Raiders need to sell at least 85 percent of the tickets for the game to be televised locally. Typically, when the Raiders ask for an extension, the game winds up being televised.
Six of Oakland’s first seven regular-season home games this season were televised locally. The Browns game is the only one that was blacked out.

– Allen and general manager Reggie McKenzie said they want to get a good look at young players such as quarterback Terrelle Pryor, offensive lineman Tony Bergstrom and defensive linemen Christo Bilukidi and Jack Crawford the final three games.
That remains the plan, Allen said, just don’t expect any of those guys to start.
“I don’t see any real major changeups as far as the starting lineup’s concerned, but we do want to see some of these guys get in some game action,” Allen said. “And how much that is, I don’t know exactly right now. A lot of that, the game will dictate what that is.”

– Young players that don’t figure to get much playing time the rest of the way are tight ends Richard Gordon and David Ausberry.
From the sound of it, they don’t factor much into the Raiders long-term plans, either.
“We’ve had a chance to look at these guys a little bit,” Allen said, “and we kind of know what we’ve got in these guys. They’re still in the lineup and they’ll still be used pretty much the same way we’ve used them.”
That means a handful of offensive snaps and the rest on special teams. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of either player moving forward.

– Looks as if it’s full systems go for running back Darren McFadden, who is doing much better in his return from an aggravated ankle injury than many might have expected.
How’s Darren looked all week?
“Darren’s been great,” Allen said. “He’s been great all week. I haven’t noticed anything where he’s had any issues at all. So, I’m really kind of expecting him to be full go.”

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  • MiamiRaider78

    i like the lyrics

    “Shake it for the critters and the crickets, the squirrels and the chickens, the possums and the deers, the ant eaters and the steers.”

    Love me some country girls!

  • hwnrdr

    A whole K class…don’t really know what to say at the moment! Knowing that I have kids that age…makes me want to home school or move back to Paradise, but…even there is pretty stupid these days!

  • The_Judge37

    HayesDaze37 Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 10:50 am
    Umm, Judge –

    You’re missing the point on Shaughnessy. Go back to before the season, and you could find (and hear) glowing reports on Shaughnessy, and his upcoming break-out year, because he was healthy again. His Pro Bowl push just didn’t materialize. And, I don’t know of anyone expecting him to be a sack specialist.
    ——

    Can’t put too much into Camp expectations, Did the Same for Schilenz and a few others. As far as among the fans, way too high for someone of his limited Talent. He’s a high motor guy and strong, but that’s it. I still think he’s a good player and welcome him back next year. But we need someone like Wimbley to rotate with him.

  • HayesDaze37

    KoolKell Says:

    Angry white men with machine guns……………….

    ————————-

    Go ahead and stir that pot, KK!

    Nothing better to do with the sad news today?

    Sad for you.

  • The_Judge37

    hwnrdr Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 10:55 am
    A whole K class…don’t really know what to say at the moment! Knowing that I have kids that age…makes me want to home school or move back to Paradise, but…even there is pretty stupid these days!
    ———

    This is easily the worst one to date. Which unfortunatly means the bar has been raised for the next Dirt bag looking to make a name for himself. Seems the world is deteriorating at a Mayan rate.

  • hwnrdr

    I know…pretty crazy!

  • HayesDaze37

    Judge (great moniker, btw) –

    You act like you didn’t hear/read any of the prognostications about Shaughnessy earlier this year.

    You say you put the same kind of expectations on him that you did on Schilens? You’d be the first I’ve heard that from. There was even talk that Shaughnessy was the next great Raiders Pro Bowl D-lineman. Didn’t happen. Yet, anyway.

  • The_Judge37

    It’s got to be about time where they no longer release the name of the suspect. It’s not neccessary unless there’s a manhunt. But maybe if these guys just start fading into anotoumy there will be fewer cases.

  • http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXj7I1RzLSE&feature=related exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    Dakota,

    Where is your rue the day list from a couple of years ago

  • The_Judge37

    HayesDaze37 Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 11:03 am
    Judge (great moniker, btw) –

    You act like you didn’t hear/read any of the prognostications about Shaughnessy earlier this year.

    You say you put the same kind of expectations on him that you did on Schilens? You’d be the first I’ve heard that from. There was even talk that Shaughnessy was the next great Raiders Pro Bowl D-lineman. Didn’t happen. Yet, anyway.
    ——-

    Thanks, you’ve got great taste as well.

    I heard it all about Shaugnessy, I personally just didn’t expect much from it. I just brought up Chaz because of they hype the Coaches gave him during Camps.

  • DMAC

    Not sure Shonasty will ever play like he once did. After the injury he seems to have regressed.
    But then again our team has regressed under DA and company.

  • The_Judge37

    DMAC Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 11:06 am
    Not sure Shonasty will ever play like he once did. After the injury he seems to have regressed.
    But then again our team has regressed under DA and company.
    ——

    I don’t think the Injury should’ve been that bad. Who knows but i’m thinking it’s almost laziness contracted from Tommy Kelly. I also remember looking for Shaughnessy Highlights on Youtube, instead found video of him outside a club, drunk and smoking with a beer gut.

  • HayesDaze37

    I rue the fact DMC can’t stay healthy.
    I rue the fact the Raiders need to look for a #1 RB still.
    I rue the fact I drafted DMC in FFL this year after drinking Dakota’s Kool-Aid (again).

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Here is why the rob parker rgIII flap is really interesting.

    I have seen several athletes have their character or so called patriotism questioned in the media and on tv in particular.

    Why is questioning someone commitment to the black community out of bounds?

    parker, although i may disagree with airing out rgIII in a public forum to a certain extent, has brought up an iportant issue, and created a dialogue that needs to take place in our homes, and amongst our men especially.

    Should prominent black entertainers have a true commitment to uplifting our community?

    For his comment “down for the cuase” he is implying the Marcus Garvey / Elijah Muhammad philosophy of do for self. By his comment “one of us” meaning not simply black skin but a social consciousness and black awareness or afrikan world view.

    espn is owned by the disny abc machine. mainstream media does not want any dialogue about self improvement for black people on a major platform. Rob parker is being silenced, and he is a beacon for any other black man in entertainment, do not speak out of turn or we will kill your career, or take your life.

    parker is no fool and he intentionally stirred the pot, he had to know the risk he was taking. this is not about any kind of morality on abc’s part, they have none.

    Abc is far more comfortable putting guys like chris brown or rihana or jz on tv. people that are clearly owned and will never raise the important issue that affect our community, and who put out messages of self hate and destructive mental poison for the black youth. they wil much rather give us damon wayans and lebron james, people that will entertain but in no way call into question the conditions that they came from.

    Rob parker and this story should have the attention of every black entertainer, and im sure it has reached every black entertainers agent or manager and publicist.

    be a good little servant and entertain

  • DMAC

    Just scroll baby!!!!!

  • The_Judge37

    For those interested, RGIII did release a statement regarding Rob Parker’s comments about his “Blackness”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY2kJ96jNY

  • RaidingTexas

    DMAC Says:

    Just scroll baby!!!!!

    —————————

    LMAO – for real man

  • Charlie

    DMAC

    Because of impatient, immature owners who could not accept accountability for their own failures and incompetance.
    To save face with the “Fans” they created a scapegoat er “coaching” change.
    Wake up. If you are really a Raider fan you have been exposed to this charade for ten years and you do not see it?????????????????

    Have any of those teams you cited won a Super Bowl in the last five years? Let me know when one of those teams wins one.

    You simply can not compare the level of decay we have with other NFL teams over the last ten years.

    BTW; THe Rams and Bucs are .500. BFD.
    PS Take a look at the Seahawks and how they have built their in the box talent in the draft for the last 8 years. You have proven my point. Build the lines and the wins will follow. It has much less to do with Carrol and more to do with building stout lines through the draft and letting them develop.

  • DaRaiders022

    Knapp should be expecting the next flight out of Oakland! There has been absolutely no progression in this offense during the season! He makes these brash and direct comments to save his ass from being fired! If Allen and McK bring him back next season, we will continue to go NOWHERE! We need to move on from this disasterous season and it starts with evaluating the performance of players and coaches! Measured results tell the story, not the week-after-week BS we hear from Knapp and others who will need a job after this season!

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    For those interested, RGIII did release a statement regarding Rob Parker’s comments about his “Blackness”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY2kJ96jNY
    ==================

    Thank you for proving my point

    mocking black consciousness or Afrikan identity is made readily available for mass consumption. The clowns that do this are rewarded handsomely for this betrayal.

    This teaches our youth to hate themselves.

    This will always get a national platform.

    Any black man that introduces constructive dialog will be silenced or killed

  • The_Judge37

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 11:21 am
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    For those interested, RGIII did release a statement regarding Rob Parker’s comments about his “Blackness”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY2kJ96jNY
    ==================

    Thank you for proving my point

    mocking black consciousness or Afrikan identity is made readily available for mass consumption. The clowns that do this are rewarded handsomely for this betrayal.

    This teaches our youth to hate themselves.

    This will always get a national platform.

    Any black man that introduces constructive dialog will be silenced or killed
    ———

    Huh? No one silenced or killed MC Stab Master Arson

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    inonewordraider Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    david shaw get’s the most out of his talent, understands the raider tradition, and get’s us back a physical brand of football.

    david shaw is the answer
    ========================================

    I would agree. But knowing this is one of the most dysfunctional situations in all of sports and Shaw’s record is impeccable, why would Shaw come here knowing he is in a very good situation as it is and would get his pick of offers?

  • DaRaiders022

    Play Leinhart, Pryor, Goodson, and other subs to determine what we have for next season! At this point I’d rather take losses and give others playing time to determine potential, desire and ability to make plays! Big names with high price-tags (DMC) are better off saving themselves for job interviews next season!

  • The_Judge37

    Seymour Bush Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 11:26 am
    inonewordraider Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    david shaw get’s the most out of his talent, understands the raider tradition, and get’s us back a physical brand of football.

    david shaw is the answer
    ========================================

    I would agree. But knowing this is one of the most dysfunctional situations in all of sports and Shaw’s record is impeccable, why would Shaw come here knowing he is in a very good situation as it is and would get his pick of offers?
    —————

    This situation seems pretty good for a Coach. Can make any decision you want and have a pass for it no matter the level of competence.

  • 504 Raider

    Just like many predict that we have guys who will be cut in the offseason who probably won’t be in the NFL next year, I hope DA sees that Knapp wouldn’t fetch an OC job in the NFL next year also.

    I know the league is a fraternity and HCs will give a fired guy a job so that guy could save face. So knapp might be a QB coach for a team and polish those backups footwork. But he will not be an OC for anyone next year.

  • jesusraiderjim

    DMAC Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 10:21 am
    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    just 5 minutes with a schyytbag like this…5 min…
    ========

    1 sec and a .45

    ——————————————-

    I guess if you want to be a teacher you are going to have to get arms training and a coceal carry. That is the only way to stop these shvtbags.

    Is our own Government doing this to support the gun control agenda? Think about it there are some interesting facts out there.

  • DJ Johnny

    Charlie Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 10:28 am
    Please read my post carefully:

    “There is not anyone in the NFL that thinks the Raiders have the talent to compete. That is why you will not get veteran coaches to come here.”

    Why did Carrol go to Seattle. They already had talent.
    Why did Peyton go to the Broncos. They already had talent.
    Why Schiano (Not aproven NFL talent but I assume you mean winning at some level) to the Bucs. They had talent.
    Why Fisher to the Rams. They had talent.
    You proved my point.

    WE HAVE THE MOST ERODED DLINE IN THE LEAGUE. OLD, OVERPAID

    Actually one could say by looking at the Rams… on the surface “Well… here we have a 2-14 team…and now we have a 6-6-1 team in short order that just beat the SB favorite…and tied them on the road two weeks prior to that. Wow. Must be the coaching”.

    The Rams acquired 3 key free agents and have 4 of their draft picks starting and making an impact.

    I say if Reggie knows what he’s doing he can make a similar turnaround. Why not? Why continue to give excuse after excuse on why we CAN’T do something?

    If u say “Well they have Bradford and we have Palmer..big difference”. The only difference is Palmer is actually BETTER than Bradford statistically…MUCH better.

    We already have more wins than the Rams did last season and we can’t expect that someone who knows what they are doing can’t turn it around..at least to .500 and competitive like the Rams? I don’t buy it.

    Please don’t say that the Rams record was a “mirage” and they were really much better. They were 2-14…PERIOD. If they really had talent and depth and all those things that would appeal to the great (although ring-less) Jeff Fisher, than they would not have gone 2-14. Talented teams don’t go 2-14, i don’t care how many injuries they have.

    I believe that our team currently is in much need of talent, but I also believe we need quality people to get the best out of the guys we DO have and that the right people can turn things around as quickly as that legendary organization known as the St. Louis Rams.

  • DJ Johnny

    We are not only in need of talent..but good coaching as well.

    It’s a double whammy.

  • jesusraiderjim

    DaRaiders022 Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 11:26 am
    Play Leinhart, Pryor, Goodson, and other subs to determine what we have for next season! At this point I’d rather take losses and give others playing time to determine potential, desire and ability to make plays! Big names with high price-tags (DMC) are better off saving themselves for job interviews next season!

    ————————————-

    There is NO reason to play Lionheart, none what so ever. TP or bust.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Imo, a number of these shootings are coordinated, planned. Not every one of them, but a number of them. The bilderberg/rockerfeller types who control the world, trying to remove the right to bear arms from america especially as a precursor to stricter population control and slavery.

  • DJ Johnny

    Charlie,

    I agree with you on building the lines, but I don’t think it has to take a COMPETENT gm years and years to improve it, especially when there have been much ours that have done so.

    Our o-line could be much worse. GB wins and wins and wins yet Aaron Rodgers has been sacked more than anybody this yr. The Bears and Cutler have slipped in recent weeks but are still at 8-5 and he’s getting hammered on a regular basis.

    Everyone says Palmer is so immobile but he has only been sacked a minimal amount of times and it’s not like he has a lightning quick release.

    Our o-line could use some help but it is nowhere near the worst..and can be fixed with a couple of wise moves.

    The D line? Well..we need some work there definitely, but it is not totally devoid of talent either.

    A “quality” GM can make the moves neccessary to improve things quickly.

  • omoran

    Raider (since 1967)
    ★★★★★★★
    The more you paid a player the more insolents we get from him. And the less prodution, they become stuborn and lazy
    And refuse to listen, see they are already rich so who cares attitude. Until we say enough. !

  • omoran

    Raider (since 1967)
    ★★★★★★★
    RAIDERS new contracts must Quote by games played !
    Seymour you play 6 games –we PAID for 6 !
    Not for 16 games.

    Seymour / Say no more….. Close your checkbook -MARK !

  • omoran

    Raider(since 1967)
    ★★★★★★★
    Reading Tarver’s press conferance the Only thing I agree with him is that RAIDERS change coaches to often and that a system must be in place for at least 1 year to work !
    Knapp is also hiddin in the Smoke too !

  • omoran

    Raider (since 1967)
    ★★★★★★★

    Reggie – must sit behind close curtains with film projector like the Wizzard of Oz and say :
    Not so fast – not so fast ! Sign my contract if you want to play!
    ” YOU FILTHY ANIMALS ”
    AN EYE FOR EYE …… AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH!
    No more Out of Wack contracts . . .

  • korspride

    Same old excuse any loser gives…”it takes time”. uhh no, not always. (yeah it does in oakland for some darn reason). All Hue needed was a respectable defense and the Rayduz easily win the division in 2011 at atleast 11-5 but noooooo Mark-ass-Davis hires Reggie “i believe in my own hype” Mckenzie who then seems to feel DA’s no experience is a better fit than Hue’s explosive offense(and he barely was getting started). Then Jason “swiss cheese D” Tarver, ok no need to divulge there. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • korspride

    Sean Peyton available?? Get him as head coach if so. He didnt want to work for Al so he wound up in new orleans and look where they went. with all due respect, Al is gone now. Put DA back on D. They worked together before with success

  • rodn5yn

    129.In the draft we have to get one of these four guys with our 1st rounder:

    DE Moore Tex A&M
    DT Loutulelie (sp) Utah
    LB Teo ND
    LT Joeckle (sp) Tex A&M

    If we don’t get one of those four, then trade down. Period.
    ====================================================

    RM illuded to the need of a speed rusher. Yet we need to trade down to get more picks. The answer is none other than:

    JD Clowney DE Gamecocks 6’6″ 256 4.6 40