Coordinators Knapp, Tarver expect leap in production next season
By Steve Corkran
Thursday, December 13th, 2012 at 3:52 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The burning question on the minds of many is, why take a Raiders offense that last season finished ninth in average yards and per game and 15th in average points per game and install a new blocking scheme and playbook?
To which, Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said: That’s a “good question; a question worth asking.”
In short, Knapp said, because you teach what you know best, and his system has a track record of working well.
The key is patience. Knapp and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver said their schemes are sound, but they take time to implement and for the players to learn. Bringing back as many players as possible from this year’s team and giving them a year to adjust are going to pay huge dividends.
“I’m a firm believer in the scheme,” Knapp said Thursday. “I’ve been to too many places and had too much experience to know it’s a very productive scheme. Like it is for anywhere you go, when coaching changes occur you want the coaches who are the teachers to teach what they know best. If you do that with the coaches, they’re going to have answers for the issues that come up in the system.”
Knapp said his history in retooling offenses shows that players need a year or so to get acclimated but, once they’re up to speed, good things happen.
“Every place I’ve been to, it’s usually going to take at least a year’s transition time to get everything taught … ,” Knapp said. “If you take a business structure and you make those changes, it’s going to take a year’s time to process everything and learn it. Once they master it, you can add to it. Right now, it’s taking some time.”
When posed the same question, why change the offense? Raiders coach Dennis Allen said he, too, is a firm believer in what Knapp is doing.
“There’s been a lot of change, and when there is a lot of change, sometimes you don’t get the results that you’re looking for right away,” Allen said. “But when you believe in something, and you stick to it and you know it’s the right plan, it ends up working out.”
Next season is when the Raiders can expect those results, Knapp said. And how is that going to manifest itself?
“More consistency and higher scoring points,” Knapp said, “because we’re not able to keep those drives long enough right now to get the points on the board. So, by keeping the system in place and keeping the bulk of the players here, now we keep the drives alive and we get our point total up into the mid-20s, and that’s what we want to be.
“If you’re in the mid-20s to high 20s, you’re going to be in the top 10 of the league in scoring, and that’s ultimately what has to happen. To get 11 guys on the same page, you need some reps and experience together and with a year’s offeseason work of that and a better offseason system, the performance level usually goes up the next season.”
In Knapp’s second season as offensive coordinator in three previous stops, his team’s scoring dropped by an average of 1.1 points per game and an average of 4.5 yards per game in Year 2.
Tarver said, “I want it now,” when asked about the time it takes to get a scheme at peak performance. “It’s a now business.”
At the same time, he said, the players are getting better as the season progresses, which is an encouraging sign that they are grasping the scheme.
“With the change of personnel, now they’re realizing what the scheme can do for them,” Tarver said. “It’s been good. With a year under our belts and keeping as many of these guys as we can, it’ll grow big time.”
Cornerback Michael Huff boasted of the Raiders having a top-five defense this season. He now says that the defense has a “long way to go” before it’s where it needs to be.
Bringing back as many players as possible is paramount.
“You want to keep a lot of the same guys there, especially in the secondary because it’s all really communication, talking and making sure everybody is on the same page,” Huff said.
Veteran defensive end Andre Carter said he understands how people might question the merit of bringing back the same scheme and many of the same players, given the lack of success this season.
However, he said he, too, has seen the value of continuity during the course of his long NFL career.
“I’ve had eight defensive coordinators in my career,” Carter said. “Learning the scheme takes a lot of time. The first year, yeah it’s tough. It’s all growing pains and you learn as you go. Coming into that second year, the comfort level is a little bit better, the communication is a little better and the execution is so different.
“This year is just a level for the growth and development of the younger guys, as well as the vets trying to adapt the new scheme and philosophy.”
– Middle linebacker Rolando McClain declined an interview request after practice.
McClain said, “Coach covered everything you could ask me. I ain’t got nothing to say about anything,” when asked if he wanted to speak with the media.
McClain, of course, was referencing Allen saying he and McClain had a talk Wednesday, at which time Allen outlined for McClain what he expected from him the rest of this season and beyond.
McClain was suspended for two games by the Raiders for conduct detrimental to the team. He returned from his suspension Monday as the Raiders backup middle linebacker and special teams player.
– Allen said defensive tackle Richard Seymour suffered a “setback” in his return from a hamstring injury.
Seymour missed the past five games as a result of the injury. He practiced Monday for the first time since he suffered the injury Nov. 4.
“We’ll evaluate him as we finish out the week, but I thought he practiced well yesterday and then early today,” Allen said. “It kind of grabbed him a little bit, so we’ll see.”
– Strong safety Tyvon Branch missed practice today for the third straight day this week. However, there is hope that he might be able to rebound in time to play Sunday against the Kansas City Chiefs.
“He was on the side working out with the trainers,” Allen said. “I’m hopeful that we’ll be able to get him out here and practice a little bit tomorrow. His mind-set is he wants to play this weekend.”
– The Raiders received an extension from the league in hopes of selling enough tickets by day’s end Friday to avoid the Chiefs game being blacked out.
The Raiders need to sell at least 85 percent of the tickets for the game to be televised locally. Typically, when the Raiders ask for an extension, the game winds up being televised.
Six of Oakland’s first seven regular-season home games this season were televised locally. The Browns game is the only one that was blacked out.
– Allen and general manager Reggie McKenzie said they want to get a good look at young players such as quarterback Terrelle Pryor, offensive lineman Tony Bergstrom and defensive linemen Christo Bilukidi and Jack Crawford the final three games.
That remains the plan, Allen said, just don’t expect any of those guys to start.
“I don’t see any real major changeups as far as the starting lineup’s concerned, but we do want to see some of these guys get in some game action,” Allen said. “And how much that is, I don’t know exactly right now. A lot of that, the game will dictate what that is.”
– Young players that don’t figure to get much playing time the rest of the way are tight ends Richard Gordon and David Ausberry.
From the sound of it, they don’t factor much into the Raiders long-term plans, either.
“We’ve had a chance to look at these guys a little bit,” Allen said, “and we kind of know what we’ve got in these guys. They’re still in the lineup and they’ll still be used pretty much the same way we’ve used them.”
That means a handful of offensive snaps and the rest on special teams. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of either player moving forward.
– Looks as if it’s full systems go for running back Darren McFadden, who is doing much better in his return from an aggravated ankle injury than many might have expected.
How’s Darren looked all week?
“Darren’s been great,” Allen said. “He’s been great all week. I haven’t noticed anything where he’s had any issues at all. So, I’m really kind of expecting him to be full go.”
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December 13th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Primero!
December 13th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Due
December 13th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
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December 13th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
mistic: HERE is the webster dictionary dedinition of RACISM ok genius: : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race .
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ummm
that is exactly what fredirich blumenbach invented the term for. that is his definition…..you are slow
classifying humans according to skin color, and using skin color as a measure for capabilities and so on, was used to justify the trade of afrikans.
you just proved what i have been telling you, this definition and term are invented by whites and did not exist in the world until blumenbach literally made it up.
please go away you have clowned yourself
December 13th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
you guys are SLOW!
December 13th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
We could probably get a bump in offensive production NOW just by kanning Knapp.
December 13th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Brahs, any of you ever get your weiner stuck in a chick’s poop chute while cranking Toad & The Wet Sprocket?
She was all freaked out, but after 3 minutes the mellow grooves softened my ding-dong enough to easily slide out
Celebrated with a pitcher of margaritas and a 6 pack of Doritos Locos tacos in the hot tub
THEM BALLERS BE BALLIN’
December 13th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Wow, there are so many incongruous statements in that post, mostly the quotes, that it is rediculous!
December 13th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Sounds like Knapp will be back next season.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
That’d be a big NOPE on either end of your question there Beeech. JLofty no me gusta Toad’s wet sprocket…
December 13th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
There are definitely going to be some butts in a sling if Raiders lose to the Chiefs at home. Tired of hearing of schemes and systems.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Just reading Knapps words makes me want to punch him in the face.
“Just keep me employed for a few more years, then Judge me”
December 13th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
They only can Knapp as a fall guy, imho…
December 13th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
ummm
that is exactly what fredirich blumenbach invented the term for. that is his definition…..you are slow
classifying humans according to skin color, and using skin color as a measure for capabilities and so on, was used to justify the trade of afrikans.
you just proved what i have been telling you, this definition and term are invented by whites and did not exist in the world until blumenbach literally made it up.
please go away you have clowned yourself
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Are you sure Mistic?
“Furthermore he concluded that Africans were not inferior to the rest of mankind ‘concerning healthy faculties of understanding, excellent natural talents and mental capacities’.
‘Finally, I am of opinion that after all these numerous instances I have brought together of negroes of capacity, it would not be difficult to mention entire well-known provinces of Europe, from out of which you would not easily expect to obtain off-hand such good authors, poets, philosophers, and correspondents of the Paris Academy; and on the other hand, there is no so-called savage nation known under the sun which has so much distinguished itself by such examples of perfectibility and original capacity for scientific culture, and thereby attached itself so closely to the most civilized nations of the earth, as the Negro.”
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Blumenbach did not consider his “degeneration theory” as racist and sharply criticized Christoph Meiners, an early practitioner of scientific racialism as well as Samuel Thomas von Sömmerring who concluded from autopsies that Africans were an inferior race.[13]
“He also wrote three essays claiming non-white peoples are capable of excelling in arts and sciences in reaction against racialists of his time who believed they couldn’t.”
December 13th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Trade down:
1- CB D Milliner
2- OLB D Jordan, Chase Thomas, or A Barr
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
2 pass rushers and a CB (3 new starters on Defense).
December 13th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
somehow i think Allen and Knapp will be back. i don’t see how they keep tarver. worst raider defense on record
December 13th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Yo Dorks
Heading down Santa Barbara way this weekend to play a few shows with my ocean smooth reggae band Rasta Ganja
Bringing my skateboard and a few wasted strippers so me and the band can get our salad tossed on the way down
Gonna play a UCSB blow out on Sat, should be able to 69 a few coeds, got enough jimmies in my fanny pack to keep the Beeeech Lawg protected through Valentine’s Day
Don’t hate the playa, hate the game
FO WIZZLE
December 13th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
SInce we all expect major roster turnover, then i guess both knapp and tarver will need to extend their pass to cover next year also.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
JLofty Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
That’d be a big NOPE on either end of your question there Beeech. JLofty no me gusta Toad’s wet sprocket…
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I can’t stand them either, JLiggity
But they’re great if you want to quickly soften and shrink your weiner
December 13th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
The burning question on the minds of many is, why take a Raiders offense that last season finished ninth in average yards and per game and 15th in average points per game and install a new blocking scheme and playbook?
To which, Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said: That’s a “good question; a question worth asking.”
In short, Knapp said, because you teach what you know best, and his system has a track record of working well.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
BS
FU Knapp
December 13th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
I cannot imagine with all the potential firings on Turner, Riveria, Shulmer etc. that we will stick with Knapp and Tarver…
December 13th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
This pretty much sums it up:
“In Knapp’s second season as offensive coordinator in three previous stops, his team’s scoring dropped by an average of 1.1 points per game and an average of 4.5 yards per game in Year 2.”
I don’t like the ZBS and the lack of power on O. Never was a huge fan of WCO either. ‘cept for Gruden/Gannon/Brown/Rice/Porter version maybe….
Football is a game of imposing your will!
December 13th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
no ausberry? in the little time he’s played in actually played in games he’s been a good receiving tight end, these guys am i missing something?
December 13th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Man, Tarver and Knapp live in Wonderland…
December 13th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
beech dawg there you are. come and take your viagra maybe it will work this time
December 13th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
I can handle D.As words for the most part, but I almost feel like crying when something or someone like Gregg knapp talks a big game and has never produced schyt, and I can’t just beat his arse.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
So, it ain’t the Players, and it ain’t the schemes, says Coach Knapp.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Bring back the same players! and the same coaches! woooohoooo! this thing is looking up!
December 13th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Some of the cr@p that comes outta the mouths of our coaches makes me say wtf? a lot…
December 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
I specially like how Tarver says the defense is getting better…LOL! wtf is he talking about?
December 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
They want to bring back as many players as possible, “especially in the secondary” Knapp says.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
“Every place I’ve been to, it’s usually going to take at least a year’s transition time to get everything taught … ,” Knapp said.
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But Greg, youve never been responsible for an improving unit. Your first season in SF, 2001, they finished 3rd in scoring. 2002, 9th. 2003, 13th. Regression each year. You were let go by SF.
You went over to ATL in 05. They finished 14th in scoring your first season, 16th your second. More regression. You were let go by ATL.
You came here in 07, and we ended up 23rd. 2008, we end up 29th, AND you had play calling stripped from you MID-SEASON. We actually IMPROVED when Cable started calling plays. Yikes. Once again, regression. You were not retained.
Went to Seattle in 09, where they let you go after one season where you got them to 25th in scoring. They let you go, hire Tom Cable as assistant head coach, where he implements the ZBS in HIS vision, and BOOM, Seattle is now one of the top rushing teams in the league.
Which brings you back to the Oakland Raiders in 2012. In your first season back, you have us ranked 25th in scoring. Last season, we were 16th, and lost our owner, starting QB, and starting RB mid-season.
I dont even need to throw any negative comments at Greg Knapp about his abilities. At this point, Im just starting to feel sorry for him. He’s just never been any good, and its written history.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Krappy, you should send Knapp a tweet from your Twitter page
I’m sure he’d love to hear all your goofy old man thoughts on his offense. Make sure you’re nice and drunk first.
Like I even have to say that
December 13th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
So all of you people blaming the Players, just got your nuts cutoff by Gregg Knapp. Lmao.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
dont feel sorry for Knapp, feel sorry for Raider fans that have to listen to this horsechiet!
“In my experience, booom! we get a lot better in my second year! yeeeeeeah! I believe I can Fly! wooooo!
December 13th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
hire david shaw
December 13th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
“Every place I’ve been to, it’s usually going to take at least a year’s transition time to get everything taught … ,” Knapp said.
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But Greg, youve never been responsible for an improving unit. Your first season in SF, 2001, they finished 3rd in scoring. 2002, 9th. 2003, 13th. Regression each year. You were let go by SF.
You went over to ATL in 05. They finished 14th in scoring your first season, 16th your second. More regression. You were let go by ATL.
You came here in 07, and we ended up 23rd. 2008, we end up 29th, AND you had play calling stripped from you MID-SEASON. We actually IMPROVED when Cable started calling plays. Yikes. Once again, regression. You were not retained.
Went to Seattle in 09, where they let you go after one season where you got them to 25th in scoring. They let you go, hire Tom Cable as assistant head coach, where he implements the ZBS in HIS vision, and BOOM, Seattle is now one of the top rushing teams in the league.
Which brings you back to the Oakland Raiders in 2012. In your first season back, you have us ranked 25th in scoring. Last season, we were 16th, and lost our owner, starting QB, and starting RB mid-season.
I dont even need to throw any negative comments at Greg Knapp about his abilities. At this point, Im just starting to feel sorry for him. He’s just never been any good, and its written history.
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How does DA and the REG not see this???
It is mind boggling to me. And co-sign on the punch in the face comments.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
beechy dawg and i are back together
December 13th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
So all of you people blaming the Players, just got your nuts cutoff by Gregg Knapp. Lmao.
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Ladies & Gentlemen, your friendly neighborhood realtor, Krappy Kell!
December 13th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Coordinators Knapp, Tarver expect leap in production next season
What are they gonna be producing. I sure as hell hope it is not the O and D?
They must have planted a garden or something
December 13th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Yo Dweebs
Just cut a hole in the back of the tour van so me and the band can take leaks during the road trip
We’ll be pounding fresh margs from the PARTYDUDE 8000 all the way down to UCSB, so you know we’ll have to empty the floodgates every few miles
Also getting the strippers hella wasted right now on Cabernet, they like to class it up around rush hour
GOIN’ THE EXTRA MILE IN NAPA VALLEY STYLE
December 13th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
I would love to see the Raiders suffer through another OC’s first year implementing a new offensive scheme.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
fvck this puto…
In Knapp’s second season as offensive coordinator in three previous stops, his team’s scoring dropped by an average of 1.1 points per game and an average of 4.5 yards per game in Year 2.
didnt you have a preseason for this? Fvck this puto too…
– Allen and general manager Reggie McKenzie said they want to get a good look at young players such as quarterback Terrelle Pryor, offensive lineman Tony Bergstrom and defensive linemen Christo Bilukidi and Jack Crawford the final three games.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
I would love to see the Raiders suffer through another OC’s first year implementing a new offensive scheme.
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I would love to see the Raiders hire an OC that doesnt have a history of his teams regressing, and who has enough creativity to work with the players at his disposal, even if they dont necessarily fit the scheme they are planning to implement.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
You are deliberatly changing what i said to fit your agenda.
i didn’t say anything about fearing people based on skin color. or fear based on race or any of that other garbage you are trying to attribute to me.
i gave you the ORIGIN OF THE TERM RACE AND ALL ITS FORMS, AND THE MEANING AND PURPOSE OF ITS INVENTION. I ALSO GAVE YOU THE FOUNDER OF THE TERM.
dislike and fear are emotions they are not racism, which is a system.
>> you said white europeans invented racism and that it was their system and only white people use it. thats what you said don’t lie now
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While the facts may be a bit skewed from a variety of standpoints. The premise is solid, it appears they invented and excuse to brutalize blacks and tried to establish scientific facts why this was a necessary practice. Whites folks have long believed they were doing blacks folks a favor by enslaving them. Many whites yet ascribe to this theory.
They think if not for a white dominated society that blacks would sink into some grave state of being that they lack significant social skillset essentially a moronic society.
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By definition anyone can be racist, it simply means to be of the opinion that your race of people is superior to another race of people. If you in your heart of hearts believe that to be true you are in fact RACIST…………period
The idea has existed for millineums white europeans just gave it the name it bares to this day. But mankind has practiced this demeaning oppressive trait since breaking off into different cultures began. At one time we as black people held that same belief as Egyptians as did Asians before us and Middle Easterners after us. It’s just that in the last approx. 2,000 years it’s been europeans have held sway until this day.
My purpose in writing this is to say no race is superior over another because we are only one race with diffferent cultures ingrained over years indigenous to the particular geographical location environment and climate. Which over years reshapes our appearances and habits.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
We need to practice some black magic and conjure up Al Davis. If there was ever a need for an impulse firing, it’s now.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I am hoping Knapp and Tarver are not selling us wolf tickets. IMO, I don’t think Coach Allen and Knapp know how much of a threat Peyton Manning is to the Raiders. I surely hope they come up with serious plans of defeating the Broncos, while Martian head is running the show. If I didn’t know Peyton Manning played for the NFL, I would think he was part human and part ailen.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
If you judge a man by the quantity of melanin under his skin cells you are an IDIOT.
Okay we’ve settled that, enough with the lame race garbage. Raider Nation is as multicultural as it gets.
Time to move on…
December 13th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
I’m willing to give this coaching group another year.
Look at the Warriors and how they stink in Mark Jackson’s first year, and look at them now.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
If Knapp is the OC next year, I will save a lot of money on my Directv NFL package.
I won’t be ordering it.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
This aricle posting has me as down and bummed out as I’ve been ALL year. That is some asinine cheese there…
Or maybe its cuz my FF team roster changes just closed and McCoy is inactive
December 13th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
ummm
that is exactly what fredirich blumenbach invented the term for. that is his definition…..you are slow
classifying humans according to skin color, and using skin color as a measure for capabilities and so on, was used to justify the trade of afrikans.
you just proved what i have been telling you, this definition and term are invented by whites and did not exist in the world until blumenbach literally made it up.
please go away you have clowned yourself
_______________________________________________________
Are you sure Mistic?
“Furthermore he concluded that Africans were not inferior to the rest of mankind ‘concerning healthy faculties of understanding, excellent natural talents and mental capacities’.
‘Finally, I am of opinion that after all these numerous instances I have brought together of negroes of capacity, it would not be difficult to mention entire well-known provinces of Europe, from out of which you would not easily expect to obtain off-hand such good authors, poets, philosophers, and correspondents of the Paris Academy; and on the other hand, there is no so-called savage nation known under the sun which has so much distinguished itself by such examples of perfectibility and original capacity for scientific culture, and thereby attached itself so closely to the most civilized nations of the earth, as the Negro.”
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Blumenbach did not consider his “degeneration theory” as racist and sharply criticized Christoph Meiners, an early practitioner of scientific racialism as well as Samuel Thomas von Sömmerring who concluded from autopsies that Africans were an inferior race.[13]
“He also wrote three essays claiming non-white peoples are capable of excelling in arts and sciences in reaction against racialists of his time who believed they couldn’t.”
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dutch you make it a point to try and get into any debate involved in,but as long as you are here.
The term race and all its forms was invented by white men, for the use of white men to categorize and distinguish them selves from non whites.
this is not a discussion on blumenbachs personal morals.
“Blumenbach and other monogenists such as Georges-Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon were believers in the “degeneration theory” of racial origins. Blumenbach claimed that Adam and Eve were Caucasian (Georgian) and that other races came about by degeneration from environmental factors such as the sun and poor dieting”
in other words he believed whites were the progenitors of human kind and all others were a result of a defect or unfavorable environment or events
this is white supremacist doctrine
even if he didnt consider it racist
December 13th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
I think we need to send a Terminator back in time to eliminate Knapps parents. Seems to be the only way he’ll be stopped.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
“Every place I’ve been to, it’s usually going to take at least a year’s transition time to get everything taught … ,” Knapp said.
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But Greg, youve never been responsible for an improving unit. Your first season in SF, 2001, they finished 3rd in scoring. 2002, 9th. 2003, 13th. Regression each year. You were let go by SF.
You went over to ATL in 05. They finished 14th in scoring your first season, 16th your second. More regression. You were let go by ATL.
You came here in 07, and we ended up 23rd. 2008, we end up 29th, AND you had play calling stripped from you MID-SEASON. We actually IMPROVED when Cable started calling plays. Yikes. Once again, regression. You were not retained.
Went to Seattle in 09, where they let you go after one season where you got them to 25th in scoring. They let you go, hire Tom Cable as assistant head coach, where he implements the ZBS in HIS vision, and BOOM, Seattle is now one of the top rushing teams in the league.
Which brings you back to the Oakland Raiders in 2012. In your first season back, you have us ranked 25th in scoring. Last season, we were 16th, and lost our owner, starting QB, and starting RB mid-season.
I dont even need to throw any negative comments at Greg Knapp about his abilities. At this point, Im just starting to feel sorry for him. He’s just never been any good, and its written history.
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exctly
put up or shut up
knapp has never produced
December 13th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Beeech, how the $%*&%$ are ya, man!
December 13th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
I hope this staff gets canned so bad… Its excuse after excuse, first its we dont have the talent or players, now its we need time to get use to the scheme and bring all the same talentless (according to da) players back. Smh A few reporters were going in on the lakers coach Mike D.antoni noting how he fails to make adjustments to his schemes to fit the players he has or building around his star players strengths and I couldnt help but think about this coaching staff. I think it just goes to show how lame they are seeing they only know how to coach 1 way. The guys were talking about how good coaches make adjustments and coach to the personell they have and what gives them the best chance to win. They also noted how melos numbers are up because of the coaching change in Ny and how
Woodson coaches to his strengths and now NY is #1 in the east.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
They’ll probably a play for Pryor on 3rd and 15. Then call it a day.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
knapp and tarver both suck, but so does d.a
big mack whiffed in a major way with this staff
December 13th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
If this society as it stands now wishes to erraticate racism. They simply need to tell the truth as it pertains to history of this country and teh contributions by everyone to bring it to what it is today.
They also need to be forthright in the denial and ommittion in history books of important and pivotal events and actions by many blacks to the progress of American society. Then portray those truths in all media outlets electronic and print. To allow the dignity and appreciation of those truths to every American. No need to try to do the impossible in terms of restoration because of insufficient evidence just simply stop LYING…………period
December 13th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
“It’s the business. It’s the National Football League. We’ve got to produce. When we don’t produce, then changes have to be made. I think we all understand that. The players understand that. It’s not a personal deal, it’s just we’ve got to produce and so when we’re not producing, we have to make some changes and do some things differently.” -Coach Allen-
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So?
Which is it? Do we need to do make some changes and do some things differently or do we need more time to do them the same way?
Sell crazy someplace else Coach!
December 13th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
They’ll probably a play for Pryor on 3rd and 15. Then call it a day.
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this is my biggest consternation.
putting pryor in the game in a predictable run situation and playing him as ‘wild cat” package gimmick.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
We all know LA is a talented team but with the coaches theyve had you wouldnt know it. Its just with basketball its easier to identify who can play and who cant because it isnt as complex as the nfl, but I think the raiders are a talented team like the lakers who have a simple coaching staff in place who lack the coaching ability to switch it up and coach to the teams strngths…
December 13th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
I don’t why you guys argue so much over the definition of racism. What does the word mean nowadays anyhow?! It seems to me that the word is now just so subjective, so person-specific, so self-defined, that it just doesn’t mean anything anymore. The dilution of the meaning of the term is unfortunate because it detracts from those situations and circumstances in which racism exists.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
WTF are these TWO talking about?
Sounds like they are trying to save there jobs after a Horrible performance this year.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Keep the scheme and the players?
didn’t your Boss tell us we don’t have the talent, but you want to keep the same players?
December 13th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Next season is when the Raiders can expect those results, Knapp said. And how is that going to manifest itself?
“More consistency and higher scoring points,” Knapp said, “because we’re not able to keep those drives long enough right now to get the points on the board. So, by keeping the system in place and keeping the bulk of the players here, now we keep the drives alive and we get our point total up into the mid-20s, and that’s what we want to be.
“If you’re in the mid-20s to high 20s, you’re going to be in the top 10 of the league in scoring, and that’s ultimately what has to happen. To get 11 guys on the same page, you need some reps and experience together and with a year’s offeseason work of that and a better offseason system, the performance level usually goes up the next season.”
In Knapp’s second season as offensive coordinator in three previous stops, his team’s scoring dropped by an average of 1.1 points per game and an average of 4.5 yards per game in Year 2.
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I guess Cork added the last paragraph to make a point.
Krapp’s full of it and the numbers prove it.
Personally, I think Tits needs to go – I won’t be happy if he returns – but I can understand and accept why he might.
But if Krapp is back, I don’t think I can continue to support this team. Just can’t do it.
Can’t root for any other team, but I’m giving up on the Raids til Krapp’s gone.
Enough is enough.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
65.VanHeathen30 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
WTF are these TWO talking about?
Sounds like they are trying to save there jobs after a Horrible performance this year.
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Of course they are. It’s like one of us telling our employers, “I know wasn’t productive this year, but year two is when i really hit stride.”
December 13th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
No Need for Ausberry???
Dude is a BEAST with some speed that can catch…
Sure don’t need anyone like that on this roster, just packed with recieving options that either can’t get open, or can’t catch…
WOW, this is getting worse by the day…
MUMBLES has to go and take these CLOWNS with him back to the Circus…
December 13th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Good Lord…..that was just pathetic.
Any GM and/or Head Coach willing to put a great chunk of his future in the hands of Greg Knapp deserves to have his judgement seriously questioned, at the very least.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Exactly!
December 13th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
Wow, Knapp is deluded.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
I believe, Knapp is suggesting that this season was a ‘throw away’ where they didn’t get fancy within the scheme and that “Next Year” we can “open it up” because we are ready too, and the boss will have gotten his high draft pick…That would be the best case scenario, but the have done NOTHING to warrant ANY faith whatsoever in their product…
Doesn’t Knapp realize that some of us remember when he was here BEFORE! and got ran out of town by a much better HC…
December 13th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Beeech, when are we gonna see you and band on the cover of the Rolling Stone!?
December 13th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Keep the scheme and the players?
didn’t your Boss tell us we don’t have the talent, but you want to keep the same players?
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Desperation my friend… THESE GUYS ARE TOAST…
December 13th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Scourge Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
I don’t why you guys argue so much over the definition of racism. What does the word mean nowadays anyhow?! It seems to me that the word is now just so subjective, so person-specific, so self-defined, that it just doesn’t mean anything anymore. The dilution of the meaning of the term is unfortunate because it detracts from those situations and circumstances in which racism exists.
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Have white people ever been enslaved in America?
Have white people ever been subjected to Jim Crow segregation laws.?
Have white people ever been lynched by black folk?
Have white people ever had their churches bombed by black folk?
Have white folk ever been denied an opportunity because of race?
Racism is institutional, prejudice or resentment is personal.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
I still cant figure out why guys that have produced good results dont get more looks. ausberry has caught the ball well inlimited action and is clealry a threat in the seams, yet he barley sees the field.
Reece only got into the mix because of injuries, and knapps hand was forced
dhb isnt featured in the passing game yet proves game after game that he is one of the most dangerous players on the team when the ball is in his hands.
knapp seems to have a boycott on all of the players drafted by hu jack and davis , not named dmc
December 13th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Scourge Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
I don’t why you guys argue so much over the definition of racism. What does the word mean nowadays anyhow?! It seems to me that the word is now just so subjective, so person-specific, so self-defined, that it just doesn’t mean anything anymore. The dilution of the meaning of the term is unfortunate because it detracts from those situations and circumstances in which racism exists.
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Have white people ever been enslaved in America?
Have white people ever been subjected to Jim Crow segregation laws.?
Have white people ever been lynched by black folk?
Have white people ever had their churches bombed by black folk?
Have white folk ever been denied an opportunity because of race?
Racism is institutional, prejudice or resentment is personal.
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and that is the bottom line
December 13th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Reading what these CLowns are saying, makes me believe that Reggie is Suffering from Post Concussion Syndrome.
Can he read, and understand what kind of drivel these guys are shclepping?
Reggie, this is “Your Team” and these guys are the ones controling the Product on the field?
You’re going to go down with these fools…
December 13th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Both Knapp and Tarver desperate to keep their jobs, they know it’s the end of the line for them, nobody is going to be stupid enough to hire these clowns at least not as coordinators in the NFL. I just hope Reggie isnt stupid enough to buy this snakeoil salesman crap.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Phatdog Says: December 13th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
I’m willing to give this coaching group another year. Look at the Warriors and how they stink in Mark Jackson’s first year, and look at them now.
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Yea but the warriors actually stunk before Mark got there and he improved them gradually.
We were actually competitive under hue, now we historically stink, and we’re constantly regressing. DA is no Mark jackson….
December 13th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Kanpp says it takes AT LEAST a year.
Ok how long AT MOST? 4-5 years? Christ.
I love how lofty His goals are as well.
Mid 20’s could get us into the top 10 in scoring.
Ahhh Greg, thew idea is to LEAD the League in scoring.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Reggie = Check Casher!
December 13th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Knapp is just Full of $h!t. If he was successful with his system every where he went, then he’d stick around longer than 3 years. But i don’t blame him for trying to keep his job, It’s on Reggie to see through his BS
December 13th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
and if i see one more two yard out called on 3rd and seven i am going to toss cookies
knapp stinks
December 13th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
This coaching staff needs to come clean and no time is better than the present. If you’re going to rescue this team and prepare for next year then coach in a way that players appreciate the leadership instead of questioning it. To try to make Pryor look less than what he is would be so transparent to everyone including the owner. To put him in a position to fail to justify some illfated premise would only hasten their own demise. This staff is on high alert as it is they can either cement their dismissal or open up honest discussion as to the advantages of continuity and need to stay the course with their leadership.
It’s up to them to show improve and get the fanbase behind them in a positive way. However I don’t hold out much hope that they are even cognizant of potential for Mark Davis to wipe the slate clean and start over. I think they are in complete denial that it is even a possibility. Like so many in here.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
So, according to ‘Dirt Knapp’ and ‘Kiddie Tarver’ – what we need is the *same coaches*, *same systems*, *same players* for another year of this torture?? — but, wait for it… next year is going to be better: quote – ‘big time’!
After showing absolutely *no improvement* this year – over how many months? This is the worse Raider team in *history*! Why doesn’t the local media absolutely *stomp* these guys? Bring them *all* back??? Are you Fing kidding me? And they though Huejack was crazy. Local media bashed him repeatedly for his pressers after finishing 8-8 – and they give this 3-10 staff a pass even after these ridiculous comments!! Come on guys..
December 13th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says: December 13th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Next season is when the Raiders can expect those results, Knapp said. And how is that going to manifest itself? “More consistency and higher scoring points,” Knapp said, “because we’re not able to keep those drives long enough right now to get the points on the board. So, by keeping the system in place and keeping the bulk of the players here, now we keep the drives alive and we get our point total up into the mid-20s, and that’s what we want to be. “If you’re in the mid-20s to high 20s, you’re going to be in the top 10 of the league in scoring, and that’s ultimately what has to happen. To get 11 guys on the same page, you need some reps and experience together and with a year’s offeseason work of that and a better offseason system, the performance level usually goes up the next season.”
In Knapp’s second season as offensive coordinator in three previous stops, his team’s scoring dropped by an average of 1.1 points per game and an average of 4.5 yards per game in Year 2. =============================================== I guess Cork added the last paragraph to make a point.
Krapp’s full of it and the numbers prove it.
Personally, I think Tits needs to go – I won’t be happy if he returns – but I can understand and accept why he might.
But if Krapp is back, I don’t think I can continue to support this team. Just can’t do it.
Can’t root for any other team, but I’m giving up on the Raids til Krapp’s gone.
Enough is enough.
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Same here its going to be hard for me to support the team knowing these losers are going to be in charge, its a waste of time.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Will the scheme still be to ABANDON the Running game after you fall behind by 10 points in the 2nd qtr?
The ‘Chasing Points’ offense was a JOKE!
December 13th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
I’m a patient guy and I understand perseverance, but with that said, I need to have “faith” that my patience and perseverance are not misplaced.
Knapp engenders no faith from Me.
He’s asking for our trust that things will improve, but His track record, and lack of imagination suggest things will end badly.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I mean start over with a new staff from HC to bottle washer. The would be wise to beat KC and do it convincing, if they’re even capable of such a feat.
They cannot lose this game and survive IMHO.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
And after Sunday night in NE, we can stop hearing about how great the Houston ZBS works…
They got obliterated by the Pats D. line period.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
– Allen said defensive tackle Richard Seymour suffered a “setback” in his return from injury.
“We’ll evaluate him as we finish out the week, but I thought he practiced well yesterday and then early today,” Allen said. “It kind of grabbed him a little bit, so we’ll see.”
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Wow!!! When did the Raiders fly in Seymour’s Tree from Georgia? If we go O-Line in the first round, Seymour’s tree is the pick. It’s been around for a while so most GM’s know what it can do. That’s why we can’t wait to get the Tree in the 3rd.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
91.Priesttj12 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I mean start over with a new staff from HC to bottle washer. The would be wise to beat KC and do it convincing, if they’re even capable of such a feat.
They cannot lose this game and survive IMHO.
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I don’t want to lose to the Chiefs, but i would hate a dismantling of a 2 win Chiefs team to be what Saves DA and Co. from the chopping block.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
I’m a patient guy and I understand perseverance, but with that said, I need to have “faith” that my patience and perseverance are not misplaced.
Knapp engenders no faith from Me.
He’s asking for our trust that things will improve, but His track record, and lack of imagination suggest things will end badly.
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RaiderLen I see your position on this has changed dramatically, am I right?
December 13th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
So, according to ‘Dirt Knapp’ and ‘Kiddie Tarver’ – what we need is the *same coaches*, *same systems*, *same players* for another year of this torture?? — but, wait for it… next year is going to be better: quote – ‘big time’!
After showing absolutely *no improvement* this year – over how many months? This is the worse Raider team in *history*! Why doesn’t the local media absolutely *stomp* these guys? Bring them *all* back??? Are you Fing kidding me? And they though Huejack was crazy. Local media bashed him repeatedly for his pressers after finishing 8-8 – and they give this 3-10 staff a pass even after these ridiculous comments!! Come on guys..
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If Knapp stays around for next year, I’m convinced we will never win under Reggie.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Wow!!! When did the Raiders fly in Seymour’s Tree from Georgia? If we go O-Line in the first round, Seymour’s tree is the pick. It’s been around for a while so most GM’s know what it can do. That’s why we can’t wait to get the Tree in the 3rd.
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LOL
December 13th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
OMG….
SHOOT ME…
please make sure Davis doesnt read or buy it this sh!tpile!
so not only are we supposed to bing the CLOWN COACHE CADRE back in 2013…
but ALSO supposed to KEEP this weak azz talented crew (esp on D)
wow more than EVER
WE MUST GO 3-13 WITH BLOWOUTS EVERY WEEK…
SCARY SH!T IN THIS POST FOLX…VERY SCARY IF DAVIS BUYS THIS HORS3SH!T EXCUSE/PLAN…
December 13th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
I’m not so sure it would save them, as I am sure if they lose it will seal their fate. Mark Davis HATES the Chiefs, if they lose to them at home they can kiss it all goodbye.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
I’m a patient guy and I understand perseverance, but with that said, I need to have “faith” that my patience and perseverance are not misplaced.
Knapp engenders no faith from Me.
He’s asking for our trust that things will improve, but His track record, and lack of imagination suggest things will end badly.
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RaiderLen I see your position on this has changed dramatically, am I right?
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I wouldn’t say dramatically.
As I said, I’m pretty patient and try not to over react, but after watching the offense for 13 games and having an eroding confidence…after reading Knapp’s comments, yes I’m ready to cut bait.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
In Knapp’s second season as offensive coordinator in three previous stops, his team’s scoring dropped by an average of 1.1 points per game and an average of 4.5 yards per game in Year 2.
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Love to hear what Krapp has to say about that. ‘Lets not let facts get in the way of a good bs story..’
December 13th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
what up nation brothers, long time no post but i had to fahqin chime in on this schit.
the schmuck starts with, That’s a “good question; a question worth asking.” then the goes on to say “because you teach what you know best, and his system has a track record of working well….LMAO!
FAHQ man, after reading post #55…..man, why in the fahq is he here?
December 13th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
This coaching staff needs to come clean and no time is better than the present. If you’re going to rescue this team and prepare for next year then coach in a way that players appreciate the leadership instead of questioning it. To try to make Pryor look less than what he is would be so transparent to everyone including the owner. To put him in a position to fail to justify some illfated premise would only hasten their own demise. This staff is on high alert as it is they can either cement their dismissal or open up honest discussion as to the advantages of continuity and need to stay the course with their leadership.
It’s up to them to show improve and get the fanbase behind them in a positive way. However I don’t hold out much hope that they are even cognizant of potential for Mark Davis to wipe the slate clean and start over. I think they are in complete denial that it is even a possibility. Like so many in here.
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im not suggesting they would intentionally sabotage pryor , they nee anything they can muster to create a reason fro them to keep their jobs.
I am saying though that knapp did not intend to play pryor and now they have to scramble to put together something for him, the so called package they refer to.
i fear it is unimaginative and going to be simple zone read run plays in predictable run situations.
instead of giving pryor his own series of downs with a wide playbook to work from. so the defense doesnt know if it is a run or pass.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
“Every place I’ve been to, it’s usually going to take at least a year’s transition time to get everything taught … ,” Knapp said.
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But Greg, youve never been responsible for an improving unit. Your first season in SF, 2001, they finished 3rd in scoring. 2002, 9th. 2003, 13th. Regression each year. You were let go by SF.
You went over to ATL in 05. They finished 14th in scoring your first season, 16th your second. More regression. You were let go by ATL.
You came here in 07, and we ended up 23rd. 2008, we end up 29th, AND you had play calling stripped from you MID-SEASON. We actually IMPROVED when Cable started calling plays. Yikes. Once again, regression. You were not retained.
Went to Seattle in 09, where they let you go after one season where you got them to 25th in scoring. They let you go, hire Tom Cable as assistant head coach, where he implements the ZBS in HIS vision, and BOOM, Seattle is now one of the top rushing teams in the league.
Which brings you back to the Oakland Raiders in 2012. In your first season back, you have us ranked 25th in scoring. Last season, we were 16th, and lost our owner, starting QB, and starting RB mid-season.
I dont even need to throw any negative comments at Greg Knapp about his abilities. At this point, Im just starting to feel sorry for him. He’s just never been any good, and its written history.
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We all can see it and hopefully Reggie sees it but Knapp has dislexia. Either fire the guy or force him to turn his play-call sheet upside down and call plays facing the crowd during the game.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
In Knapp’s second season as offensive coordinator in three previous stops, his team’s scoring dropped by an average of 1.1 points per game and an average of 4.5 yards per game in Year 2.
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2011: 23 pts/game
2012: 19 pts/game
so, by the same drop rate, we should be scoring about 3 pts a game next season.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
They cannot lose this game and survive IMHO.
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OK, I am probably the last person here who is wants to churn this entire staff again. That is not going to happen. But I think you bring up a good point. If they lose at home to KC, and KC played well two weeks ago, this staff probably is going to be in trouble.
But you can’t have it both ways. Fans in here have been demanding that we see some of the backups but yet demanding that we win with them? That is a pretty tall order for anyone.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Josh Dubow@JoshDubowAP
#Raiders OC Knapp says output usually goes up in year 2 of system. But in 3 stops as OC scoring down 1.1 ppg, yards down 4.5 in year 2
Retweeted by Vic Tafur
Good hire by DA right guys? So that will be Lane Kiffin, Jim Mora Jr, Dennis Allen all mistake to hire this guy
December 13th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Knapp must be banking on the fact that when you finis 32nd in a 32 team league, the only way to go is UP…
December 13th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
From a practical standpoint it’s best if the team finishes 3-13.
A higher draft position gives us more ammo to rebuild.
It also adds pressure to upper management to examine more closely the direction of the organization.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
if knapp goes does carson stay?
carson has played light years better under knapps offense then he did under hu jack /suanders vertical game
Knapp deserves credit for helping palmer put together a serviceable season.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Knapp must be banking on the fact that when you finis 32nd in a 32 team league, the only way to go is UP…
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No kidding.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
@Seymour Bush
Think with a lot of potential HC firings that Allen will stick with Knapp and Tarver?
Not like he had a lot of choice in his assistant coaches?
December 13th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Does Knapp get credit for eliminating the running game?
does Knapp get credit for requiring that Palmer to quote DA ” be more protective of the ball” yet require him to throw 45+ times on a regular basis?
this teams gameplan on both sides of the ball seems to be lacking each and every Sunday…
And,as soon as we got behind a team, it was shootout city and guess who lost?
December 13th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
We killed the offense just *because* of Knapp??!!! ahhhhhhh!!!! This interview just has to make you furious as a Raider fan – don’t watch it if you don’t want to raise the blood pressure. They admit clearly now they *blew up* a top 10 offense because they could, not because it was necessary…
December 13th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
No Need for Ausberry???
Dude is a BEAST with some speed that can catch…
Sure don’t need anyone like that on this roster, just packed with recieving options that either can’t get open, or can’t catch…
WOW, this is getting worse by the day…
MUMBLES has to go and take these CLOWNS with him back to the Circus…
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Love this post, I gotta tell ya’ man I’m a fan.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
ember 13th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
They cannot lose this game and survive IMHO.
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OK, I am probably the last person here who is wants to churn this entire staff again. That is not going to happen. But I think you bring up a good point. If they lose at home to KC, and KC played well two weeks ago, this staff probably is going to be in trouble.
But you can’t have it both ways. Fans in here have been demanding that we see some of the backups but yet demanding that we win with them? That is a pretty tall order for anyone.
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who demanded that they play back ups and win?
December 13th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Pick any QB in the NFL and put Him on this team.
How many more wins maximum? 3,4,5?
Are the Raiders a playoff team with an elite QB?
Didn’t think so.
Palmer is moot as it pertains to the success or failure of this season.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
How about Tarver and the WIDE OPEN MIDDLE OF THE FIELD time after time?
Love to see a percentage of balls caught between the hash marks by the opposing team…it’d most likely make your eyes bleed with rage to see the middle of the D SKEWERED time after time…KC killed us inbetween the hashes last time.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
KK, I’m not saying racism doesn’t exist. What I’m saying is that term has been so overused by so many people that it doesn’t really mean today what it used to mean. There are just too many people (of every hue) that use the term without a thought just because they don’t like something or someone. When a term like racism becomes so dumbed down then it detracts from application of the word to situations where it is accurate.
The English language is not subtle enough to discuss many “racial” issues. Not all interracial difficulties involve racism. The term racism has simply lost its clarity and precision.
I also don’t believe Mistic’s statement about “racism [being] institutional.” I don’t know if Mistic meant to imply all racism is institutional, but if he did, he needs to reconsider it. Racism can also be personal. Racism has to be personal before it becomes institution almost by definition.
Note: I am not attacking KK or Mistic. I’m only commenting on and questioning elements of the ideas that Mistic has expressed.
Matters of racism are rarely so dualistic. If one reads about black (and white) identity development, I believe one comes away with seeing that it is not so dualistic. I remember reading Malcolm X’s (auto?)biography and it seemed be moved from a dualistic perspective to a wider, more developed perspective, especially after he returned from Mecca.
But that’s just my opinion. I’d rather read about football.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
It makes ZERO SENSE to start palmer on sunday. Playoffs been done for a while
December 13th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Something is about to go down with this staff is what I get from reading this post. Knapp and Tarver are clearly lobbying for their jobs and are suggesting we keep just about all the players.
Reggie says we need more players.
DA it seems will be back for year #2, but atthe same time believe’s in Knapp’s system.
Something has to give. Sort of like our game this Sunday: somebody has to win it.
DA did not mention anything about supporting Tarver like he did Knapp.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Pick any QB in the NFL and put Him on this team.
How many more wins maximum? 3,4,5?
Are the Raiders a playoff team with an elite QB?
Didn’t think so.
Palmer is moot as it pertains to the success or failure of this season.
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ok i will accept your premise
tell me thoguh if knapp goes, does carson also go?
Knapps offense has produced better results for carson.
carson turned over the ball far more throwing the vertical offense.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
if knapp goes does carson stay?
carson has played light years better under knapps offense then he did under hu jack /suanders vertical game
Knapp deserves credit for helping palmer put together a serviceable season.
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Mistic1 I just think Palmer has to in the very least re-neg he cannot expect the money he’s making Knapp or no Knapp. QB’s are judged by their record if TP6 gives the coaches and GM hope I think he will be back just not at that salary.
I cannot stomach another year of Knapp…………period
December 13th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Play the backups, determine what you have, and Win or lose.
Losing would be preferable.
I hate having to say that.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Reggie should have NEVER fired Hue without a contingincy plan in place…unless he was throwing this season away (which he was), but he could still have had a list of candidates ready (which he didn’t) and to me, that is where this mess began.
Reggie knew he was the Top Candidate for this gig, yet he did NOTHING to prepare himself for the tasks at hand, until he got into Harbor Parkway…
Then he order office furniture and got his Brother a job, then he looked for a HC>
Pretty weak start Reginald…
December 13th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Well if they want a biult-in excuse there it is. But I don’ think they’re smart enough to seize it.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
So we’re rebuilding but not replacing players? WTF are we rebuilding? Mark’s nose (mouth breather)? DA’s colon (schit the bed)?
This has to be the most idiotic statement/explanation for poor play given by a Raiders staff, beating out 10 years of horrible football excuses offered by such luminaries as Lame Kitten and Joe Frugal.
Disgusted.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Hi Cork ! —-You guys are hearing what Knapp just said in his lazy interview? Wake up ALLEN , this dude is really Knapping.
This is Al ’s Raiders -we are use to getting 35 -58 pts on Offense at any given game. Ala Snake Stabler.Like Brady, you score 35 pts and New England’s Brady will hit with 45-55 pts.
C’mon man who are you kiddin ! After waiting 10 yrs and losing 100+ games, I expect you to say in the interview you were walking. A TOTAL FAILURE TO RAIDERS ELITE OFFENSIVE UNITS!
Get out. AL SAUNDER was 35+pts with Dummy Hue and Cable and had a very.reslective unit.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
In the draft we have to get one of these four guys with our 1st rounder:
DE Moore Tex A&M
DT Loutulelie (sp) Utah
LB Teo ND
LT Joeckle (sp) Tex A&M
If we don’t get one of those four, then trade down. Period.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
ok i will accept your premise
tell me thoguh if knapp goes, does carson also go?
Knapps offense has produced better results for carson.
carson turned over the ball far more throwing the vertical offense.
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Don’t know Mistic.
I don’t care what QB is under center, or what system is run.
I looking for an organization that can put a Winning product on the field.
They need to get this stuff sorted out. Sooner rather then later.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Scourge Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
KK, I’m not saying racism doesn’t exist. What I’m saying is that term has been so overused by so many people that it doesn’t really mean today what it used to mean. There are just too many people (of every hue) that use the term without a thought just because they don’t like something or someone. When a term like racism becomes so dumbed down then it detracts from application of the word to situations where it is accurate.
The English language is not subtle enough to discuss many “racial” issues. Not all interracial difficulties involve racism. The term racism has simply lost its clarity and precision.
I also don’t believe Mistic’s statement about “racism [being] institutional.” I don’t know if Mistic meant to imply all racism is institutional, but if he did, he needs to reconsider it. Racism can also be personal. Racism has to be personal before it becomes institution almost by definition.
Note: I am not attacking KK or Mistic. I’m only commenting on and questioning elements of the ideas that Mistic has expressed.
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im afraid you are giving me way too much credit
It isnt my idea that racism is in fact institutional, i do though subscribe to that thought
check out institutional racism by louis k knowles
or the mis education of the negro by carter g woodson
or stolen legacy by george james
December 13th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
if knapp goes does carson stay?
carson has played light years better under knapps offense then he did under hu jack /suanders vertical game
Knapp deserves credit for helping palmer put together a serviceable season.
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I don’t know if I would say this. Carson Palmer was playing about as well as a QB could play at the end of last season and it still could not save Jackson’s job. And that is literally coming off the couch half way thru the season. You guys would call that an excuse. I would call it a fact.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
CDERaider Says: December 13th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
We killed the offense just *because* of Knapp??!!! ahhhhhhh!!!! This interview just has to make you furious as a Raider fan – don’t watch it if you don’t want to raise the blood pressure. They admit clearly now they *blew up* a top 10 offense because they could, not because it was necessary…
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Yea when you trash a system that works the 1 you choose to replace it with better be 10x better or you will be heavily criticized which is why the nation is hunting for his head right now.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Reggie should have NEVER fired Hue without a contingincy plan in place…unless he was throwing this season away (which he was), but he could still have had a list of candidates ready (which he didn’t) and to me, that is where this mess began.
Reggie knew he was the Top Candidate for this gig, yet he did NOTHING to prepare himself for the tasks at hand, until he got into Harbor Parkway…
Then he order office furniture and got his Brother a job, then he looked for a HC>
Pretty weak start Reginald…
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Nail on the head. You don’t leave your good wife if you don’t have a banging broad 5-10 years younger waiting for the paperwork to be filed.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
This was not the right job for a ROokie GM, no matter if he played for the team or not…
Mark when bargain hunting and it’s going to cost him big…
Did he get a rookie Surgeon to work on his Back when he got operated on? Probably not, but it’s OK for the Football team he’s drawnhis livelyhood from?
December 13th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
ok i will accept your premise
tell me thoguh if knapp goes, does carson also go?
Knapps offense has produced better results for carson.
carson turned over the ball far more throwing the vertical offense.
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Don’t know Mistic.
I don’t care what QB is under center, or what system is run.
I looking for an organization that can put a Winning product on the field.
They need to get this stuff sorted out. Sooner rather then later.
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i see
im with you on the just win part, there are plenty of ways to skin a cat
December 13th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
if knapp goes does carson stay?
carson has played light years better under knapps offense then he did under hu jack /suanders vertical game
Knapp deserves credit for helping palmer put together a serviceable season.
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I don’t know if I would say this. Carson Palmer was playing about as well as a QB could play at the end of last season and it still could not save Jackson’s job. And that is literally coming off the couch half way thru the season. You guys would call that an excuse. I would call it a fact.
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what is meant by “the end of the seaosn”?
December 13th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
According to these clowns I guess records don’t matter. If they had any class, they would apologize to the fans for this disaster and just resign. Trying to sell us the snake oil that this was ‘all planned’ and ‘be patient’ and ’staying the course’ – makes me want to vomit. Seriously, who has a worse staff in the NFL than we do right now?
December 13th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
if knapp goes does carson stay?
carson has played light years better under knapps offense then he did under hu jack /suanders vertical game
Knapp deserves credit for helping palmer put together a serviceable season.
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Mistic1 I just think Palmer has to in the very least re-neg he cannot expect the money he’s making Knapp or no Knapp. QB’s are judged by their record if TP6 gives the coaches and GM hope I think he will be back just not at that salary.
I cannot stomach another year of Knapp…………period
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agreed
December 13th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
@Seymour Bush
Think with a lot of potential HC firings that Allen will stick with Knapp and Tarver?
Not like he had a lot of choice in his assistant coaches?
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Reggie took his time in hiring Allen. And I mean REALLY took his time, so Allen was very limited in who he could bring in as coordinators and assistants. At the time I wrote on this site that a rookie GM, HC and DC was going to be a problem especially without excellent assistants.
Guys like Mohringweg, Mudd, Carthon might come on the market and it would make a lot of sense to take a look at these guys.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
According to these clowns I guess records don’t matter. If they had any class, they would apologize to the fans for this disaster and just resign. Trying to sell us the snake oil that this was ‘all planned’ and ‘be patient’ and ’staying the course’ – makes me want to vomit. Seriously, who has a worse staff in the NFL than we do right now?
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There’s a couple JUCO’s in Mississippi that would give ours a run but outside of them I can’t speak on.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
You have to wonder what athlete, professional or collegiate, would want to play for the Raiders the way things are going.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
They may sign a Raider contract but you have to wonder if it was just because they couldn’t play for another team.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
I am curious as to what it would take for you to let go of your resentments and try to get along instead of bringing up transgressions committed by people who are not alive.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
I read this article again to make sure what I read was correct.
Are these guys for real? This could be the most discouraging article I have ever read. At no point are they addressing the issue. Its really just disgusting.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Bill Walsh guided the 49er’s to their 1st SB win without a bonafide run game.
He had, however, the imagination to compensate for deficiencies.
Knapp…not so much.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Knapp is right,..get better players and this system works,..its worked for Denver for decades and Houston is marching to the superbowl with it,…first thing is get rid of DMC,…he must go or its no use,..that bich is dragging this team down. And I do not want to see Pryor Sunday,..he will get in a couple plays but even thats too much.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Reggie is in charge of Football decisions. There is no way he brings in anyone smarter than he is. With this being his first and maybe last opportunity to be put in this position of GM.
It’s either inside his red fro or his gut, but that Ego of his won’t let him bring in a bigtime Coach or assistants. He’s probably gonna try to make it work with DA, Knapp and Tarver so he can look like a genius if we start winning.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
finally you guys are starting to see this krapp, knapp svcks, Tarver svcks, DA really svcks but worst of all….reggie brought all this steaming pile of dog turd to oakland…
December 13th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
I am curious as to what it would take for you to let go of your resentments and try to get along instead of bringing up transgressions committed by people who are not alive.
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who?
There are no resentments in play
but equality and justice would be nice for starters
then we can talk about a land base
December 13th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Rudegruden Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
I read this article again to make sure what I read was correct.
Are these guys for real? This could be the most discouraging article I have ever read. At no point are they addressing the issue. Its really just disgusting.
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LOL
It was a tipping point for me.
It pushed me off the fence and landed me square on my ass. LOL
December 13th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Knapp is right,..get better players and this system works,..its worked for Denver for decades and Houston is marching to the superbowl with it,…first thing is get rid of DMC,…he must go or its no use,..that bich is dragging this team down. And I do not want to see Pryor Sunday,..he will get in a couple plays but even thats too much.
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However, to switch systems you need someone to coach it. Knapp can’t coach the system obviously. This guy is a joke. I’m not anti zone blocking, but I’m anti having the worst rushing game in league especially coming off of the last couple of years. Knapp is the problem. He must go no exceptions…
December 13th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Would you expand on those last two sentences?
December 13th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Our former two head coaches are helping their new teams get to the postseason. Meanwhile, our lot is meant to suffer, bear the misery and woe, and steep in pain. But its all good. Humility can do wonders for the soul.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
who demanded that they play back ups and win?
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I have been hearing a clamoring for backup players like Pryor, Bergstrom, Criner, and Priest just said the staff probably woould not survive a loss to KC. I am of the mindset that is probably true, but again, you can’t have it both ways.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Knapp is right,..get better players and this system works,..its worked for Denver for decades and Houston is marching to the superbowl with it,…first thing is get rid of DMC,…he must go or its no use,..that bich is dragging this team down. And I do not want to see Pryor Sunday,..he will get in a couple plays but even thats too much.
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Knapp’s “observation” that the system works is valid.
His ability to use it at peak efficiency is questionable.
He get’s “less from” instead of “more from.”
December 13th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Would you expand on those last two sentences?
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why?
it would be wasted, you are not in authority to give up either one
December 13th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Do you see the USA headed to a civil war? and if so who will be on which side. I don’t see a race war
reps – dems?
pro gov – anti gov?
makers- takers?
rural – urban?
all of the above?
December 13th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Total slow to respond coaches.S L O W MO tionnnnnn!
Mid 20s pts to high 20s (28) KIDDIN $HIT !
IF he say that to my Bro! Wake up, this is the Nfl not baseball .
KC can score 20pts with field goal units. You got to score Dude.
Defense -Mr. ALLEN and Tarver you should not allow more than
10-13 at halftime (H) and same or less the other half.A total no
More than 24 pts. MADDEN RAIDERS play Pittsburgh and Bradshaw and some games were 13-16 at halftime! Raiders will
End up scoring 38-45pts and hurting people !
December 13th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Bob…there is a team in New England that slowed the Houston March considerably in Sunday night.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
who demanded that they play back ups and win?
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I have been hearing a clamoring for backup players like Pryor, Bergstrom, Criner, and Priest just said the staff probably woould not survive a loss to KC. I am of the mindset that is probably true, but again, you can’t have it both ways.
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it is the staffs fault they are in this position to begin with.
they would have been wise to get young guys playing time since the beginning of the year, it may have actually helped them win games.
they will no longer be able to use losing due to playing youngsters as a shield for their employment, they could have if they had gone that route at the beginning.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
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why?
it would be wasted, you are not in authority to give up either one
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You are the one campaigning on a football blog
I am just curious and asking serious questions so I may learn exactly where you are coming from.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Denver is going to the Postseason on defense and Peytons Arm..the running game is a support system there.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
then we can talk about a land base
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Liberia?
December 13th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Now that its clear the staff will all return next year,..no Gruden,…gotta get rid of these losers on the roster,..get rid of at least half, maybe more then half,…get rid of Palmer, Pryor, DMC,…DHB,…etc.,…since no Gruden, which was my dream, I will easily roll with Allen and Knapp and Tarver…but getting rid of the crap on the roster, starting the night after the Charger game, which I will be at,..is critical,..I have faith in Reggie,..he already knows who the losers on the team are,…DMC will be the very first to go.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Why is Mclain still on the team. He is the perfect player to make an example of.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Dmac hardly plays how is he bringing the team down??? You sound ridiculous, go find a ex raider to blow on groupie. I hear stablers outta funds hows about you find him and pay em to let you smoke his sausage… And hey he might even let you take a picture with him. JonGroupie2013
December 13th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Do you see the USA headed to a civil war? and if so who will be on which side. I don’t see a race war
reps – dems?
pro gov – anti gov?
makers- takers?
rural – urban?
all of the above?
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lol no
they have all of the guns they have satelites that can see through your home.
They have silent sound technology that sounds like independent thought to the affected mind.
war is not the answer
December 13th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
I’m willing to help out the Raiders this week. I’ll willingly suit up to play RT. But only for one play.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Looks like our pain just got a one year extension. The misery and punishment shall be good for at least another year. Reggie and Mark must have iron stomachs to tolerate this. Maybe they like the pain and suffering. To let this staff handle our players another year means wailing and gnashing of teeth for another year. We will learn lessons in humility the proper way. Instant gratification is for the flesh, the pain and the suffering will be good for the soul. I’m starting to get good with this. That’s right. Bring on the woe and misery. Bring on the pain.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Reggie knows who the loser are for sure…
Himself, Raleigh, DA, Tarver and Knapp.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Vanheathen,..that team the Pats beat is going to win their division, get a first round bye,..ya they suck,..nice try loser.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
then we can talk about a land base
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Liberia?
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afrika is mine by birth rite.
taking the colonial powers out would be nice, but i meant a land base of our choosing.
right here in the country we built, for those that dont want to repatriate
December 13th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
I will roll with what coaches are saying. It sounds like a bunch of crap to save their jobs because that is what it is.
Gotta give them another year or two in this system
Make meddlesome mark leave the team alone
December 13th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
How long can Mark AFFORD to keep tarnishing the brand?
Who’s in his ear now telling him to ’stay the course’?
December 13th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Im glad Reggie and allen and tarver are all returning,..now that I see it angers you I like it even more vanloser.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
peace
December 13th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
dang spike lee is estatic. The knicks are gonna put up 150 on the hapless fakers
ITS SHOWTIME, BABY!!!!
December 13th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Bob…save your ‘venom’ for the ‘powers that be’..
Not some guy on a blog…wow, so defensive today.
Keep it up, maybe you can get on Reggie’s payroll before the next GM comes in and cleans house…
December 13th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
then we can talk about a land base
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Liberia?
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afrika is mine by birth rite.
taking the colonial powers out would be nice, but i meant a land base of our choosing.
right here in the country we built, for those that dont want to repatriate
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Interesting.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Im glad Reggie and allen and tarver are all returning,..now that I see it angers you I like it even more vanloser.
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Yep, that’s all you have to look forward to in your miserable life.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Vanloser,..instead of whining and being a crybaby, why not just dont follow the team anymore?…or does snivlin something you enjoy?…must be.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
If you say so old kell,…youve been bitter all day,…have a glass of cognac man,…no use being mad all the time…cheer up,…Im heading to Mont Bleu for the rest of the game,..2 for 1 all night,..ciao.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Mistic, I’m curious about one thing before I call it a night, if you’d be willing to indulge me. Do you believe that Arabs or Blacks (or some other group) built the pyramids?
December 13th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
war is not the answer
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The elites want war , all across the globe and it is about to kick off. I suspect they want war here as well and will do anything to have it
December 13th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Scourge Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Mistic, I’m curious about one thing before I call it a night, if you’d be willing to indulge me. Do you believe that Arabs or Blacks (or some other group) built the pyramids?
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Don’t you know: Cam, RG3, Pryor and Vince Young built the pyramids….
December 13th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
All year and almost 13 games waiting for you ,and still
Putting Up with this Knapp crap! Excuses total failure.
Go to another team and give that story, but not here in
Oakland. Hope Reggie and Mark are listening.
We wan’t a hell of a Qb and score at will and fly vertically and run like
Marcus Allen 200+ yds. I wan’t a Defense that doesn’t allow 24pts.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
war is not the answer
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The elites want war , all across the globe and it is about to kick off. I suspect they want war here as well and will do anything to have it
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Who are the elites?
December 13th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
ausberry should start man wtf r they not cn
December 13th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
there are only a few stupid supporters left….soon they will be on board too….come over to the dark side….this isnt a choirboy team
December 13th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Don’t you know: Cam, RG3, Pryor and Vince Young built the pyramids….
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In the spirit of humor….
The Egyptians and the pyramids were the wave of the future.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Don’t you know: Cam, RG3, Pryor and Vince Young built the pyramids….
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In the spirit of humor….
The Egyptians and the pyramids were the wave of the future.
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LOL…well played
December 13th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Pridenpoise831 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
ausberry should start man wtf r they not cn
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Ausberry has game imo.
Don’t know why He’s not on the field.
He’s produced when given the opportunity.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
There was a very key point presented in this post, and that is that DA hired Knapp NOT because they had already decided to go with the ZBS but because he thinks he’s a great coach…period…who just happens to be a ZBS guy.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
right thats what im saying RaiderLen and imo we should get tawain some touches in the screen game
December 13th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
So basically it all comes down to is that all this misery and unnecessary losing and getting our brains beat in week after week was all necessary collateral damage in order to secure the services of Gregg f’ing Knapp?
Throwaway a whole f’ing year so we can implementthe system that Gregg f’ing Knapp is comfortable with teaching?
I read this post and when u break it down that’s what it comes down to.
Are u f’ing kidding me?
December 13th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Post 194 mote proof Da is an idiot.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
So basically it all comes down to is that all this misery and unnecessary losing and getting our brains beat in week after week was all necessary collateral damage in order to secure the services of Gregg f’ing Knapp?
Throwaway a whole f’ing year so we can implementthe system that Gregg f’ing Knapp is comfortable with teaching?
I read this post and when u break it down that’s what it comes down to.
Are u f’ing kidding me?
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Unfortunately, yes thats what it sounds like.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
The pyramids we built with concrete. Forms were set, concrete was mixed and placed, the forms were stripped and elevated for the next pour. Sort of similar to the way the hoover dam was constructed. But the labor laws were much tougher in Egypt and the workers suffered horrific pain and dehydration in the heat. No coffee breaks, just work. Punishing type work. Kind of like the punishing you take as a Raider fan.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
rudegruden Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Scourge Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
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I used to work with an Egyptian (with a PhD in teaching social studies from a US university and who had been a professor at a prestigious university in Egypt). We were talking about the pyramids one day and I mentioned that it was quite a feat for Blacks to build the structures with such accuracy given the technology at the time. He wen t absolutely ballistic on me and told me that only Arabs were responsible for the design and construction of the structure. He told me it was racist to think Arabs didn’t build them. It was an interesting rant to have listened to.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
People like Prescott Bush who helped finance the Nazis and spawned some demons along with armand hammer but they are small pikers compared to banker families and corps like the ones that manufacture the arms that are being sold to both sides
December 13th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Scourge Says:
I’m willing to help out the Raiders this week. I’ll willingly suit up to play RT. But only for one play.
Can’t divide it by 16 games with practice, traning camp etc. But you are gonna get flattened, so, call it 30 divided into base pay @ $600,000 = $20,000 per game. 40 offensive plays = $500 per play. We all (the volunteers) line up and each go in for one play. We get to keep the uniform, but not the pads and helmet. We also get to attend that weeks practice. If you survive round one (and Pryor or Palmer don’t throw a pick) you can try again and double your money. I’m in. $500 and a uniform and maybe I’ll walk again. What’s not to love?
December 13th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
There was a very key point presented in this post, and that is that DA hired Knapp NOT because they had already decided to go with the ZBS but because he thinks he’s a great coach…period…who just happens to be a ZBS guy.
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So Allen was negligent.
Raiders were very productive with a power/man scheme.
He had the bodies to execute it.
He interviews Knapp and hire’s Him with the understanding, I presume, that He had to have Reggie find additional pieces to make it work.
I wonder if he asked Knapp HOW LONG the process would take.
Because as Knapp say’s, at LEAST a year…or more.
Sounds to me like a throw away Season.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
This teams talent is very unutilized.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
People like Prescott Bush who helped finance the Nazis and spawned some demons along with armand hammer but they are small pikers compared to banker families and corps like the ones that manufacture the arms that are being sold to both sides
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10-4
December 13th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I mean start over with a new staff from HC to bottle washer. The would be wise to beat KC and do it convincing, if they’re even capable of such a feat.
They cannot lose this game and survive IMHO.
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If a win over this pathetic team saves this staff, then by all means lose, and I hate the fugging chiefs…Thank you so much Mark & Reggie. I can’t wait until Reggie’s brother gets all his draft work in.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Pridenpoise831 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
right thats what im saying RaiderLen and imo we should get tawain some touches in the screen game
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NOW is the time for all of this.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Scourge Says:
[snip]
I’ll walk again. What’s not to love?
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I may get pulverized but would I do any worse than the current personnel?
December 13th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
did someone highjack raiderlens handle? doesnt sound like him…
December 13th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
It is not that Knapp and Tarver are wrong in their thinking that this will get better as the team gets comfortable in their schemes. It’s the question of why was this done in the first place?
I definitely believe things from a player standpoint will get easier. I’m concerned that these coaches can’t assess talent and use it correctly. I don’t have an issue with their scheme or any scheme per se. I have an issues with the gameplanning and playcalling. Any viable scheme can and does work but are YOU as a coordinator adepth at using it when it calls for it to be used a certain way against the other coaching minds in this league. Can you get this talent operating proficiently and successfully.
Based on what I’ve seen there is serious reason for concern. How can they make so many obvious mistakes when things are at their finger tips. To have available talent and ignore it is a serious indictment to your level of competence in the heat of battle. They say they have expalnation for the lack of production and I say they do not. They have overlooked way too much to just explain it away and it be acceptable.
Knapp knows this system in and out but does he use it to get the best out of players. QB, RB, WR and on and on he made some stupid mistakes IMO now he wants us to trust he will do better next year. YOu don’t lose games teh way we lose them and say I’ll get better as time goes on because you’ve lost my trust that that will indeed be the case.
Gameplanning and playcalling is much more important IMO than just scheme. What you do in certain situations speaks to your mentality more than what your scheme is and if the players can execute it.
Knapp will not change his stripes no matter how long his scheme is in place………..period
December 13th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
imma beeven more pissed when tarver starts playing press man this week…
December 13th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
i think the raiders have loads of talent just dont think the coashes are using it right
December 13th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Knapp says he’s ‘proud’ the passing offense is ‘top 10′. That stat is so skewed its ridiculous – the passing game only does anything when they are down 2-3 scores late in the game and the D is playing prevent. When’s the last time this offense even had a lead??? Knapp is pathetic. Changing the scheme because he wanted to? Bringing in Brisiel from Houston? Destroying the running game, turning Palmer into a dink and dunker. Not playing Reece until what, week 9? Leaving Ausberry on the bench? What a joke…
December 13th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
did someone highjack raiderlens handle? doesnt sound like him…
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What happened?
December 13th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
lol….well played sir well played.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Hoodwinked for the sake of misery. It’s all good. Cast out the lust for this football team and welcome the suffering we are about to endure for another year. May be the greatest thing yet. The long suffering shall endure. I am so good with this misery right now I look forward to another year of it. And next year very well may be worse. It will be worse. Bring it on. Bring on the pain.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
So the best way to ensure success in 2013 is to keep the same coacjing staff and roster in tact.
I wonder if these guys believe this or they’re just in all out desperation cling to my job mode.
Not buying it, sorry. Almost had me for a second, but plenty of coaches get their guys up to speed quickly. Look at the success Hue had in his first year here as OC compared to prior years. Look at the success Harbaugh had last year in his first year without the benefit of training camp.
And there’s been no real progress as the season’s worn on. These guys are shoveling it hig and deep with these comments.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Awesome.Im sure their new team will appreciate their attitude.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says: there are only a few stupid supporters left….soon they will be on board too….come over to the dark side….this isnt a choirboy team=====
Dark side died. Hoped it would dwindle away with one last hurrah and, just maybe, Hue could’ve done that. But without Al and the animosity he engendered with the league, the true identity of the Raiders was destined to be lost and, sad to say, the future fans of the Raiders will only be able to enjoy that outlaw image vicariously. We are, or will soon be, one OF 32, not the ONE that stood apart. I got lucky and I missed most of the best not coming on board until ‘79.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
The guys that the Eagles gave up Jason Babin for, Brandon Graham and Horton are having a heck of a half. Now you know why Reid has been in the league so long. You get rid of guys because you have other guys who might be better. You guys want to bring in replacements to play for the heck of it..
December 13th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
And there’s been no real progress as the season’s worn on. These guys are shoveling it hig and deep with these comments.
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100%
December 13th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
203,
Ha. OMG.
I never believe in throwing away a season but IF we were to do so I might be able to at least understand if they were doing it to secure the services of a Holmgren or Parcells..or maybe even Gruden or Cowher, but GREGG FLIPPIN KNAPP?
WOW!
Just when I thought this new regime couldn’t flabbergast me any more, we find THIS out.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
That sure looked like his arm was going forward
December 13th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Will obviously die a Raider fan and revel in all future wins and trophies, but there it is.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
I think I still hate Tits the most. I mean Knapp sucks but Tits was so stupid to hire him and scrap the offense. Of course, Reggie hired the dumbarse. And Mark hired Reggie due to one interview and fired Hue. And I’m betting Reggie fires more “Al guys” and will give the Bergstroms & Slow-as-sh!t Criner several years…They better do something this off-season to show me they are committed to winning or Mark should sell.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
i hold hope that we will get the right guy to bring it back…rm is not that guy. Maybe mark can sober up enough to see ito it…
December 13th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
So the best way to ensure success in 2013 is to keep the same coacjing staff and roster in tact.
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It does seem kind of silly doesn’t it?
December 13th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Yes I will embrace another year of suffering. I am so looking forward to it. Pain, misery and woe. Bring it on. We are bound for another year of futility. Get use to it, get ready for it, embrace it. There is no doubt in my mind Reggie and Mark are ready to embrace it too. They have approved the suffering, they have meant it to be. It is all so good. You know that’s right.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Dear Lord up above, help us
December 13th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
I couldn’t be more disappointed with the direction and thought process of this new era of excrement.
Total crap and garbage.
Unbelieveable.
Gregg Knapp? Ha. It was all done so we have Gregg Knapp?
HAHAHAHAHA.
Oh, that is awesome.
First ballot hall of famer Gregg Knapp. The man you build a franchise around. Ha. This is great.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
From csnba,
“But I think there’s still going to have to be pieces added,” Knapp said. “It’s always an evolving process. I was at Houston, right, the last two years, so my first year in Houston we finished, I believe it was 6-10. That was the fifth year in the system. They had just finished, I think, 30th or 32nd in running. Then, all of a sudden, a guy named Arian Foster showed up, undrafted.
6-10 after 5 years in the system? This guys got very low and delusional standards.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
If ur looking forward to another season of Reggie, DA, Knapp and Co you’re probably the type of guy who likes to put on makeup and a wig, take a trip down to ur local prison and play drop the soap in the shower room.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
maybe thats it will take…an owner willing to spend…no nfl players will play for a 1 yr contract…and if they do…they do not belong in the nfl…
December 13th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
203,
Ha. OMG.
I never believe in throwing away a season but IF we were to do so I might be able to at least understand if they were doing it to secure the services of a Holmgren or Parcells..or maybe even Gruden or Cowher, but GREGG FLIPPIN KNAPP?
WOW!
Just when I thought this new regime couldn’t flabbergast me any more, we find THIS out.
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Makes perfect sense. Totally logical. This announcement today will cast a feeling of doom over the team which all but assures a blow out loss to the Chiefs, and guarantees a long season of pain and suffering next year. You think this year was a dump, wait till next year. Today’s suffering will be a cakewalk compared to next years. But I am starting to embrace the pain. I know Reggie and Mark do and would appreciate it if we all did. We will suffer this team. It will pass, as all things do, but not at least for another year.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Nwr8r Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
From csnba,
“But I think there’s still going to have to be pieces added,” Knapp said. “It’s always an evolving process. I was at Houston, right, the last two years, so my first year in Houston we finished, I believe it was 6-10. That was the fifth year in the system. They had just finished, I think, 30th or 32nd in running. Then, all of a sudden, a guy named Arian Foster showed up, undrafted.
6-10 after 5 years in the system? This guys got very low and delusional standards.
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Fuuuuck.
So what Knapp is saying is they got lucky with Arian Foster.
Foster saved their bacon.
With Knapp…10 and then.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
good point and one i am concerned about.
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“But you can’t have it both ways. Fans in here have been demanding that we see some of the backups but yet demanding that we win with them? That is a pretty tall order for anyone.”
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however..this STAFF IS TOO DUMB to take advantage of this ’safe out’.
if they were smart they would start TP6 and most of the rookies…then…
they could trot out and justify losing even in blowout fashion …”but we are looking to the future”…
however i really hope they start most of the status quo (even tho i’d like to actually see our young guys get time)
that said i WANT THE CLOWN COACH CADRE GONE EVEN MORE so i really hope they start carson et al and everyone on D thats been starting
AND
its a MASSIVE blowout.
then…folx..these a55hats are gone….
no way davis can keep them on…chiefs blowout and NO excuses about your players etc…
best of all i DO think they are too dumb to grasp this and will (for the most part…minus some token rookie play) will have the status quo in vs KC…
tell u what tho this staff is sure turning to the media as a life saver late in the season!
D E S P E R A T E (BUT NOT SERIOUS)….
I will say as a final comment…this game is HUGE…how D0A and co handle it..and how the team responds will have enormous longer term impact imo….
it could impact the direction of this franchise for the remainder of the decade (seemingly endless futility…or jump start by cutting bait on obvious failures now)…not to mention impacts on where they reside (OAK or LA)!
As hard as it may be to swallow in the short run, a BLOWOUT LOSS (with starters in) is our friend…
December 13th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Eagles still have a pretty decent roster and system, wouldn’t be surprised if Gruden takes that job next year.
Raiders play them next year – imagine them coming to O.co. Eagles rout and the fans revolt.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Allen said he, too, is a firm believer in what Knapp is doing!!
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You live by the gun, you die by the gun…in other words, both of these impostors will be fired by season end!
December 13th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
They will not be here.I promise.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Mark is just passing on the pain he fealt being hiden in a corner of the building by his old man all those years…stink it up, so when/if it gets rebuilt, it is all in his legacy.
What a bunch of Egomaniacal BS…
December 13th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
gonna have to bring xtra beer for sunday…not spending a dime inside…
December 13th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
What else was Knapp supposed to say?
Hey! we’ll be just as bad if not worse next year?
He said what he said for self preservation. These guys are staunch believers in their systems….OK fine because that is NOT what bothers me it’s your overall incompetence that bothers me.
Reggie gave way too much power to a rookie coach when he was a rookie GM and it put us in this position……period
Mark Davis didn’t think enough of himself to get more involved in the process he assumed because Reggie may know talent he knew how to select a HC. That was his mistake Reggie never took into account what changing coaches and systems would do to this team he was too arrogant and too selfish to stop and take all that into account.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Kirk Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
If Knapp is the OC next year, I will save a lot of money on my Directv NFL package.
I won’t be ordering it.
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December 13th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
tuckrule…you are right about the blowout loss, it’s easy to justify during the week, but on Sunday it’s impossibly hard to watch them lose so ineptly.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
The zbs sucks period.The great Houston zone scheme got absolutley decimated by the Pats this past week why? Because it sucks.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
WOW…if this entry doesn’t make you want to punch Knapp, Tarver, and DA the fvck out I dont know what will.
Man, this sht made me want to hit a man.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
BHP: I’ve been saying for months that Mark should have hired a Pres. of Football Ops to be Reggies boss, still think that could be a play for Mark to reel in reggies Absolute Power a bit without firing…
Amy trask, is no where to be seen now that Al is out, and who knows what actual input she has day to day…
December 13th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Hue was fired for running his mouth at the end of the season. So let me ask, what gives Knapp that right to spew his goo? I’ll answer that. Reggie and Mark are embracing the pain and suffering we shall endure next year. And they would like us to do the same. We will be awful next year. That is a fact. Bring on the pain.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
brother i am with u on that…i bleed silver….
it hurts to type it..and impossible to ‘root’ for it…but if it does happen (with us cringing) its good…
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# VanHeathen30 Says:December 13th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
tuckrule…you are right about the blowout loss, it’s easy to justify during the week, but on Sunday it’s impossibly hard to watch them lose so ineptly.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
DA isn’t even thinking playing the young players and using it as an excuse. He thinks he can still win over the owner by trying to win this game and by the ned of the 3rd qrtr he’ll realize maybe I should’ve given it more thought. As we proceed to lose to another lessor opponent.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
This staff is smoking some serious sht to beleive what they are saying. If these clowns come back another year fans while outright revolt – particularly if Knapp returns.
This guy has to be one of the worst hires in history. He so damn married to “the system”. NEWS FLASH KNAPP: YOUR SYSTEM STINKS!!!!! It doesn’t work, man!! You tried that sht TWICE here already, and not counting the other teams where your system REGRESSED!!!
I can’t believe we blow up what we had last year for this sht. You talk about ppl making bad decisions and consequences – here it is
December 13th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
BHP: I’ve been saying for months that Mark should have hired a Pres. of Football Ops to be Reggies boss, still think that could be a play for Mark to reel in reggies Absolute Power a bit without firing…
Amy trask, is no where to be seen now that Al is out, and who knows what actual input she has day to day…
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Mark would be wise to take this into serious consideration even if it isn’t made public. Reggie needs help and he would be wise to accept it.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Priest is right abot the gameplanning errors and the miss use of the talent we do have…
Reece was an afterthought until he was needed and he produced. Taiwan Jones offers to switch positions to get on the field, but they are too busy to be bothered with it…the lack of judgement and prejudice against guys picked by Al seem to be all to real.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
DA is a freakin’ idiot if he really believes that sht he said ref Knapp and his system. This guy needs to be cleaned out with the rest of the trash. DA, you ar the HC – why can you Not see that its this freakin’ system that has killed your offense???? Must be dumb as the rest of your bunch.
Get the freak outta here!
December 13th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
2013 Raiders:
HC Andy Reid
OC Norv Turner
DC Romeo Crennel
ST Desmond Howard ??
Hey – anybody would be better than Hoffman!
December 13th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
This staff is smoking some serious sht to beleive what they are saying. If these clowns come back another year fans while outright revolt – particularly if Knapp returns.
This guy has to be one of the worst hires in history. He so damn married to “the system”. NEWS FLASH KNAPP: YOUR SYSTEM STINKS!!!!! It doesn’t work, man!! You tried that sht TWICE here already, and not counting the other teams where your system REGRESSED!!!
I can’t believe we blow up what we had last year for this sht. You talk about ppl making bad decisions and consequences – here it is
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This staff will take incompetence, futility and flatulence to the next level next season. This season was just a teaser, next season will be a nightmare. But it’s all good because we are about pain and misery. Suffering and woe. Embrace it. Mark and Reggie have.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
#236…I agree. This is pathetic feeling right now. Even during Norv & Art 2.0 I never wanted to lose, especially to the Chiefs. But I think Mark needs ANOTHER embarrassment to get his head out of his ass.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
The morale now is lower than mid-season 2006.
Think about that for a moment.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Priest is right abot the gameplanning errors and the miss use of the talent we do have…
Reece was an afterthought until he was needed and he produced. Taiwan Jones offers to switch positions to get on the field, but they are too busy to be bothered with it…the lack of judgement and prejudice against guys picked by Al seem to be all to real.
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That’s another beef of mine. They cared more about proving Al wrong than winning football games. Streater fumbles the first game yet doesn’t get in the doghouse like Taiwann did. C’mon!
December 13th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
The coaches we have are so stuck in their ways. They’re completely inflexible to the talent they have. You saw this sht all year. These are system coaches and bad ones at that. They are not player coaches.
They failed all year to use the talent they had. If that isn’t the mark of a bad coach, I don’t know what you call it.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
DA is a freakin’ idiot if he really believes that sht he said ref Knapp and his system.
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west coast offense & zone blocking works if you have the right blend of players & coaches. Dennis Allen isn’t an “idiot” for thinking that. I didn’t hear DA endorse Knapp, DeFillipo & Pollack as top notch coaches or anything and there is no guarantee any of them will return next season. calm down
December 13th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Raiders have 7th passing offense in nfl. 30thrush. 13th overall
Defense 30th rush 26th pass 28th
Yeh palmers a real problem LOL……….
And knapp s the issue.
I think it’s an al Davis hangover. He loved to overpay players all the time!
A little more salary purging will help . Seymour, McClain, Kelley, kickers, McFadden, dhb,
December 13th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Call me crazy but I still believe gruden will be our hc next year. After this season and the level of anger Mark has displayed after every loss I think he brings in chucky. I really do. He most surely cant sit back and allow this mess continue for another year.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Hahahaha ..man Taiwan has been in the doghouse all damn season lololol…its crazy man …crazy
December 13th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Garbage time passing yards dont count…
December 13th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
We truly need a blow out loss on Sunday. Only a true Raider fan would think this unthinkable thought. But it is a fact. This is what we have become, been reduced to. But the pain and suffering is good for the humility of it all. A win only inflates this staffs’ head to proclaim we are improving and right on track. Don’t be mis-led. That will be a false claim no matter the score. We would only be beating the only team worse than us. That is why a blow out loss is necessary. No way in hades could I feel good about a win on Sunday. A blow out loss is important for the legacy of this season. Bring on the pain.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
“you want the coaches who are the teachers to teach what they know best.” – Knapp
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Exactly. Knapp is just doing what he does best. He didn’t force Reggie & Dennis to hire him away from the Texans and make him an OC again. BigMac & Visor decided the scheme long before they hired coordinators – therefore they are to blame if the players don’t fit imo
December 13th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Local press suggesting DA needs to win this game to keep his job – as if beating a 2-11 team in a meaningless home game makes up for his complete and absolute failure.
And he’ll probably get out coached and lose anyway…
What does he care, he’s getting paid 4 years of NFL head coaching salary (at least $2 million a year, prob more) regardless of how bad he sucks ass. Knapp prob has a 4 yr deal for $1 mill per too. That explains the comfortable smirks on their faces.
They gettin PAID.
The fans gettin PLAYED
December 13th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Mark needs to seroiusly comteplate his decisions here. Maybe he feels as if he really didn’t make these decisions – Reggie did. But Mark, it really all falls on you. You are the owner. At the end of the day the buck stops with him. The snowball started with your decision to hire that arrogant mutha…. who hired that no-name HC ..who had the ordacity to re-hire that puck OC and the rest of his nightmare staff.
DA needs to go. I’m convinced. The guy does not know how to adjust. You’ve seen it all season. As a matter of fact the lack of adjustments across the team as a whole is a reflection of the HC.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Mayock is killing me tonight. Listen to him make excuses for Dalton on those fumbles, blaming the OL. Dalton thinks he can hold the ball for 10 seconds at a time and has that long release. Can’t believe that dude starts in the NFL.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
you Palmer lovers are funny!
ignoring his turnovers …
Like saying Rich Gannon passed for over 270 yards and 2 TD’s against a tough Bucs defense in the Super Bowl, so he played a great game and it was everybody elses fault we lost
LOL
December 13th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Amen Burton…
Join the (BLOWOUT) Choir!
December 13th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Gettin PAID! http://espn.go.com/photo/2012/0130/nfl_g_allend_600.jpg
December 13th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Call me crazy but I still believe gruden will be our hc next year. After this season and the level of anger Mark has displayed after every loss I think he brings in chucky. I really do. He most surely cant sit back and allow this mess continue for another year.
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Me too…Hell give the GM job to Holmgren if Reggie aint down with it.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
you Palmer lovers are funny!
ignoring his turnovers …
Like saying Rich Gannon passed for over 270 yards and 2 TD’s against a tough Bucs defense in the Super Bowl, so he played a great game and it was everybody elses fault we lost
LOL
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Hilarious!
December 13th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
I wish DA and Gregg Knapp were around when I first became a Raider fan. I would saved me all these years of misery cuz there is NO WAY i would embrace some 10 and then b’schytt.
As it is, i’m stuck.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Knapps whole carreer has been in regression…
3 OC positions that all regressed and ended up with him being fired and then a QB coach in Houstoin, where he makes it sound as though he was the OC, which he wasn’t.
Typically bright OC’s with success move UP the ladder not down…
December 13th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
No way to sugarcoat this Reggie. You made some very bad decisions here.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
“No, no, no Darren, I want you to run sideways!!”
http://www.sbreport.net/wp-content/Greg_Knapp.jpg
December 13th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
For the Chucky deal to have ANY CHANCE WHATSOVER, removal of the clowne coach cadre (herein refered to as CCC) must be assured.
Best (only?) way to accomplish that is -continued on field humiliation-, especially to division and/or lesser opponents.
Thankfully that fits the bill for our remaining 3 games.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
This is just pathetic. Good night. Still can’t believe what I read. I never wished ill fate on anyone but boy Knapp has be tinkering on the edge.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Coordinators Knapp, Tarver expect leap in production next season The burning question on the minds of many is, why take a Raiders offense that last season finished ninth in average yards and per game and 15th in average points per game and install a new blocking scheme and playbook? To which, Raiders offensive coo… [...]
December 13th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
“you want the coaches who are the teachers to teach what they know best.” – Knapp
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Exactly. Knapp is just doing what he does best. He didn’t force Reggie & Dennis to hire him away from the Texans and make him an OC again. BigMac & Visor decided the scheme long before they hired coordinators – therefore they are to blame if the players don’t fit imo
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From what I read in this post is DA wanted Knapp…period. It just so happens Knapp is a zbs guy. They wanted “the teacher” first.
All of …THIS…was so they could bring on the legend…Gregg Knapp.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
“Bringing back as many players from this years team”
I am speechless.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Knapps whole carreer has been in regression…
3 OC positions that all regressed and ended up with him being fired and then a QB coach in Houstoin, where he makes it sound as though he was the OC, which he wasn’t.
Typically bright OC’s with success move UP the ladder not down…
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Yes. Knapp likes to pretend he WAS the OC in Houston. He thinks were so dumb we don’t even know.
Does DA know?
December 13th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Palmer/ KNAPP = Garbage time All stars.
DENNIS ALLEN has had Zero effect as a coach/ Defense.
Lakers fans are realizing what a coach is all about or a system that doesnt fit the players.
How is that working out. next
December 13th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
I know…THAT was the absolute killer comment…
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ss01 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
“Bringing back as many players from this years team”
I am speechless.
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bad enuff the CCC sux so bad…but KEEP the weak azz players we have too? wow….0-16 in 2013 and 2014…we can challenge the expansion bucs record for futility with this genius ‘plan’…
December 13th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Some of my dudes here say- Knapp has made Palmer better under his wings! Well 3-13 is not better and 6 loses in a row?
He deserves an ” Oscar ” for acting like a mentally retard ,and stupid Senseless plays. Countless games of 20 pts at the end.
Yeah Right – lets give Knapp an OSCAR he deserves it !
You can’t win with Palmer alone. It take a whole Team Effort.
Agree Cork?
December 13th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
boss01 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
“Bringing back as many players from this years team”
I am speechless.
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A team that will have ZERO PRO BOWLERS and went 3-13 and were supposed to be excited that they’re all coming back?
I don’t know what to say, I really don’t.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Tuck I think we will finish 3-13, the coaching staff is already talking as if they see the writing on the wall making all their excuses, the players are talking as if they see the writings on the wall voicing their support albeit with litte enthusiasm… I think DA will get canned. Theres no way to justify the blowouts and constant regression, I dont see how he finishes 3-13 and lives.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
It has come to this…a new low..
This coaching staff has made me wish for a blowout loss to KC on sunday just so these a$$ clowns can get their a$$es kicked to the curb
December 13th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Bottom line is guys Al would never had anything to do with KNapp/ DA.. Reggie has his friends are running with free reign in thee Raider franchise. Using it as a way to employ friends like Joey CLicksdales/ scouts and messing with Marks franchise.
Marky boy better wise the fcck up
December 13th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
41.jesusraiderjim Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Coordinators Knapp, Tarver expect leap in production next season
What are they gonna be producing. I sure as hell hope it is not the O and D?
They must have planted a garden or something
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The leap in production will come they get fired.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
“In honor of the late great patriarch of the Oakland Raiders we will move forward with a “New Era of Excellence”. We need a trusted football mind who will implement the most important aspect of our football team. You can’t win games and acheive greatness if you can’t score points so we intend to bring in the best.
We present to you a man whom we are entrusting the present and future of our offense. A man who has been here before…and failed miserably…and whohas most recently held the illustrious position of Quarterbacks coach for the Houston Texans…ladies and gentlemen…the future of our organization…wait for it…Gregg freaking Knapp.”
December 13th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
boss01 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
“Bringing back as many players from this years team”
I am speechless.
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A team that will have ZERO PRO BOWLERS and went 3-13 and were supposed to be excited that they’re all coming back?
I don’t know what to say, I really don’t.
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They already lost the next 3 games?
December 13th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
boss01 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
“Bringing back as many players from this years team”
I am speechless.
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A team that will have ZERO PRO BOWLERS and went 3-13 and were supposed to be excited that they’re all coming back?
I don’t know what to say, I really don’t.
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I think you’ve said it already.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Burfict making plays we havent seen from Slo in 3 years but Reggie chose Stupar over Burfict in the 7th round!!!!!
December 13th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
So, you can get better at converting 3rd downs next year by throwing it short of the sticks?
December 13th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
boss01 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
It has come to this…a new low..
This coaching staff has made me wish for a blowout loss to KC on sunday just so these a$$ clowns can get their a$$es kicked to the curb
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If i could be assured that losing to KC would ensure the dismissal of these dypschytts I would for the first time in my life…root against …i can’t say it.
It doesn’t matter anyway. These idiots would look at a big loss to KC as some sign of encouragement and validation. That’s how screwed up this whole cluster..(u know what) really is.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Burfict is a pure badass! Mayock is such an idiot! He’s running his mouth tonight trying to explain away why he graded Burfict undraftable. Said Marvin Lewis got him in shape. So he’s the 2nd-leading tackler on the team just because he lost 15 pounds?? If the Raiders ever hired that dpsht as a talent evaluator, I’d take a break as a fan till he got fired.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Just read the article on this page. My response…
God, we are so f’cked!
December 13th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Knapp’s quote about the Texans was particularly troubling for me.
First, he was there for what, like one or two years as QB coach? When the Texans were a .500 and worse team it was generally because their defense could never get it together. I mean, I know this and I could pretty much give two shifs about the Texans, yet he worked there and seems to have less of a grasp on it.
Second, he’s talking about how in year two things will be so much better, but then he says how the Texans struggled in the system for five or six years in this “great” system and it wasn’t until they lucked into Arian Foster that things changed. So his point is that the system that he forced on the team is worthless unlessyou fall azz backwards into a very good, very durable workhorse back.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
boss01 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Burfict making plays we havent seen from Slo in 3 years but Reggie chose Stupar over Burfict in the 7th round!!!!!
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Yep, lets fill the team with choir boys instead of guys that can actually play. That’ll get us real far.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Zone Blocking is working alright is 3-13 only
We are going foward 6 loses in a row, when is it going to Stop
Next September.
PLEASE DON’T TELL MOM!
December 13th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
boss01 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Burfict making plays we havent seen from Slo in 3 years but Reggie chose Stupar over Burfict in the 7th round!!!!!
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Funny how Mayock said that Burfict should not even be drafted when he did his schtick at the combine.
He ripped into Burfict mercillesly.
He predicted Burfict would end up in the cfl at best from what i recall.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
All reggie had to do was use a 7th and draft Vontaze Burfict not Nathan Stupar LMAO
December 13th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
yall welcome…all get free boarding passes on the fire reggie, da and staff bandwagon…
December 13th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
All they had to do was – hire Reggie but kept Hue, Al Saunders as OC – both are still under contract getting full 2012 salaries. They could have just hired Jack Del Rio as DC – he loves the Bay and the Raiders and would have come here for sure. This team is at worst 6-7 with that staff, likely much better and still in the playoff hunt. Same personnel, guaranteed. Instead the fans get royally kicked in the balls.
It’s back to embarrassment again. Dark times, my friends, dark dark times..
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2012/0124/20120124__BRONCOS_PRACTICE_3JL4296~p1.jpg
December 13th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
I think I’m gonna go have a good, healthy knapp(TM). Not the sleepy kind. The kind in which you need to sit down and run the ceiling fan.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Crazy how the Eagles’ D-Line is killing it now that Washburn has been fired. Maybe if they had fired him instead of Castillo, they’d still have a chance.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
I F’n was screaming it during the draft use that 5th on VONTAZE.. nope instead u got some chump Jack crawford.
7th round came around.. I was screaming TAKE VONTAZE HERE.. its worth it . LOW RISK.. TAKE HIM REGGIE.. COACH EM UP Nope he takes the slowest most un athletic MLB Nathan stupar who was cut easily lol lol
Would have a very servicable MLB RIGHT NOW
December 13th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
What team running the ZBS has won the super bowl? Anybody know?
December 13th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Mayock is a joke!
December 13th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
I F’n was screaming it during the draft use that 5th on VONTAZE.. nope instead u got some chump Jack crawford.
7th round came around.. I was screaming TAKE VONTAZE HERE.. its worth it . LOW RISK.. TAKE HIM REGGIE.. COACH EM UP Nope he takes the slowest most un athletic MLB Nathan stupar who was cut easily lol lol
Would have a very servicable MLB RIGHT NOW
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Servicable?? Would be the far and away the best LB on the team.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Knapp’s statements above about the success of the system in the places he’s been, damn sure doesn’t jibe with his résumé.
They think we’re stupid? Lol.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
3 games left bring PRYOR or KOBE BRYANT!
He can really throw.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
I remember when he said Burfict was not draftable.
Now he looks like he should’ve gone in the 2nd rnd.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
What team running the ZBS has won the super bowl? Anybody know?
……
Green Bay
December 13th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
All reggie had to do was use a 7th and draft Vontaze Burfict not Nathan Stupar LMAO
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Thx Reggie.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Servicable?? Would be the far and away the best LB on the team.
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lolol tru!! btw if they have a chance to take Tyrann Mathieu better do it. We need a KR bad too.
Reggie needs to take a chance on some of this young talent
December 13th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
If i could be assured that losing to KC would ensure the dismissal of these dypschytts I would for the first time in my life…root against …i can’t say it.
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Try to picture it as rooting for the NEW and improved 2013 Raiders
December 13th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
The Bungles had a golden chance to put Dallas away last week by choking away a 9 point 4th quarter lead and blowing it at the end. They had numerous chances to win that game but just choked it away horribly, so for that reason i wnat THEM to suffer tonight by having their own playoff hopes crushed by the Eagles.
After choking away the Dallas game last wk. they DESERVE to choke this one away as well. And their season.
Go Eagles.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
boss01 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
If i could be assured that losing to KC would ensure the dismissal of these dypschytts I would for the first time in my life…root against …i can’t say it.
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Try to picture it as rooting for the NEW and improved 2013 Raiders
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You really think they’re gone if they lose on Sunday?
December 13th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
I was also all over taking Vontaze late in the draft. Kept saying he was worth the gamble with any of our picks, as ealy as ther Berstrom pick.
Obvious fail by RM.
Kind of like the decision to cut Wimbley and not have any kind of edge rusher on the roster. That was a very bad idea.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Steve Corkran@CorkOnTheNFL
Michael Huff and Andre Carter echoed Knapp’s and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver’s call for continuity in the roster from now to 2013.
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LOL these joke of players. THe same Defense that has given up the most points/ the worst month in terms of L’s going back to AFL days and Pre Al era.
When u suck that bad u dont get the benefit of continuity. Dip shyyts
December 13th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
“Coordinators Knapp, Tarver expect leap in production next season..”
Should read…”Raider Nation expects Coordinators Knapp, Tarver to take a leap….of a bridge.”
(Maybe Tarver can at least push Knapp.)
December 13th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
DJ Johnny Says: December 13th, 2012 at 7:48 pmboss01 Says:December 13th, 2012 at 7:47 pmIf i could be assured that losing to KC would ensure the dismissal of these dypschytts I would for the first time in my life…root against …i can’t say it.—————–Try to picture it as rooting for the NEW and improved 2013 Raiders—You really think they’re gone if they lose on Sunday?
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I really think a loss along the lines of 33-9 should do it. Mark would have to get his coke head out of his arse after that type of debacle
December 13th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
How goes it fellas?…been awhile! I’m takin’ the boy to the game this Sunday for the annual Father/Son B-day game! Catch ya there folks….I’ll be the one wearing the Raiders shirt.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
No way DA could handle Burfict. DA and Tarver would get punked by Vontaze. Reggie has to bring in good choir boyz (Stupar, Burris) so they won’t challenge the weak coaches. You know, the ‘right kind of people’..
Thx Reggie.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
For those that want a Chiefs beatdown of the Raiders to potentially end the tenure of DA and others on the coaching staff, there is a sure way to help fire up KC.
Play Bullet in the Head by Rage Against the Machine as the Chiefs are introduced.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Just when you think the Eagles are going in the right direction tonight…
Dalton scores on a one-yard scramble and the Bengals scoop up a fumble and return it to the house from 25-yards out.
24-13 Bungles.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Knapp’s quote about the Texans was particularly troubling for me.
First, he was there for what, like one or two years as QB coach? When the Texans were a .500 and worse team it was generally because their defense could never get it together. I mean, I know this and I could pretty much give two shifs about the Texans, yet he worked there and seems to have less of a grasp on it.
Second, he’s talking about how in year two things will be so much better, but then he says how the Texans struggled in the system for five or six years in this “great” system and it wasn’t until they lucked into Arian Foster that things changed. So his point is that the system that he forced on the team is worthless unlessyou fall azz backwards into a very good, very durable workhorse back.
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Ha. It’s priceless isn’t it? I thought i might have been reading it wrong.
Seriously, is he nuts? I don’t mean that in a fun loving joking way.
Is this all a part of his revenge on the team and organization that dumped him a few yr’s back.
It’s like he’s intentionally trying to infuriate the fanbase.
This is insane…period.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
The burning question on the minds of many is, why take a Raiders offense that last season finished ninth in average yards and per game and 15th in average points per game and install a new blocking scheme and playbook?
To which, Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said: That’s a “good question; a question worth asking.”
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It’s also one that he can’t provide a satisfactory answer to.
You see, according to Krapp, a system that was working pretty well got trashed in favor of a system that isn’t working well immediately but will assuredly have better results in it’s second year.
Only problem is (kudos to Cork for pointing it out) the numbers don’t support Krapp’s contention that scoring will go up in year two.
Krapp is a liar.
I’d have liked it better if Krapp was honest enough to say ‘I scrapped the existing system that was working in favor of my system bcz it’s the one I know, the one I feel comfortable with, and the one I coach’.
That’s what actually happened.
Many of the Krapp bashers here have been complaining all along that he expects players to fit into his system rather than coaching to their strengths.
The Krapp bashers have been right all along.
That’s the primary reason the once effective Raider ground game has been erradicated.
Anyone that actually believes things are going to get better under this lying moron’s guidance is extremely gullible and sadly mistaken.
That especially applies to smiling Tittyboy.
Get ready for another 3 win campaign and an empty stadium in 2013 if this nonsense is allowed to continue.
Absolutely unreal.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
33-9 followed by a loss to a sorry carolina team (on the road east coast…forgetaboutit…)
THEN as icing on a brilliant 2012 campaign, rivers and co THOROUGHLY DISMANTLE out sordid secondary in a one-sided, season finale slaughter…
there u go…
3-13 UGLY-style
SHLAYTOR CCC!
December 13th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Next yr???..Fire both of them, f…ing Raiders!!!
December 13th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Steve Corkran@CorkOnTheNFL
Michael Huff and Andre Carter echoed Knapp’s and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver’s call for continuity in the roster from now to 2013.
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They say this cuz they know the Raiders are the only team they have a shot at getting a good paycheck from.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
It’s clear the Eagles’ issues this year are coaching. Yet Andy Reid is a very sought-out coach by the NFL and has been linked to several other head coaching jobs if fired.
Strange…
December 13th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
99..gr8 point…
we owe Cork some love…
this article was for us…he asked the questions we wanted to hear answers to.
who knew the responses would be SO INSANE!
I think these specific comments today will be referred to once they go away…
Some of the stuff here is truly indefensible. The fact that the CCC doesnt even SEE that is truly amazing (and seals their fate)..esp once they lose big from here on out…
I am PRAYING Mark D is a reasonably intelligent man who can see through this obvious horsesh!+.
Can any of the so called ‘board insiders’ comment on that?
December 13th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
FLASH FLASH —- A NEW KNAPP POLL JUST CAME OUT.
Bleacher R
December 13th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Tuckrulefool Says: December 13th, 2012 at 8:05 pm33-9 followed by a loss to a sorry carolina team (on the road east coast…forgetaboutit…)THEN as icing on a brilliant 2012 campaign, rivers and co THOROUGHLY DISMANTLE out sordid secondary in a one-sided, season finale slaughter…there u go…3-13 UGLY-styleSHLAYTOR CCC!
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Under normal circumstances I would fear KC would try to lose in order to ensure that no. 1 overall pick over the Raiders but in light of the recent tragedy the are playing with some emotion…wouldnt be surprised if Brady freakin Quinn puts up 30. If thats not a wake up call……
And as much as I hate Cam and Rivers…they will shred us. So 3-13 is pretry much etched in stone.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
For those that want a Chiefs beatdown of the Raiders to potentially end the tenure of DA and others on the coaching staff, there is a sure way to help fire up KC.
Play Bullet in the Head by Rage Against the Machine as the Chiefs are introduced.
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My favorite band. Still haven’t opened up the 20th anniversary edition of their debut CD…Great, great band.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Make sure you guys Vote! I voted . Fire him.
I was #38 !
December 13th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
No way DA could handle Burfict. DA and Tarver would get punked by Vontaze. Reggie has to bring in good choir boyz (Stupar, Burris) so they won’t challenge the weak coaches. You know, the ‘right kind of people’..
Thx Reggie.
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LOL! Oh you didn’t know? Those are the high character guys you build around.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
from http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/paul-gutierrez/allen-knapp-keep-faith-offensive-system
‘And there it is: Allen wanted Knapp to teach his system to the personnel, to have the players adapt to scheme, rather than adapt scheme to the strengths of the players.’
This is coaching 101. Recipe for disaster.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
It’s clear the Eagles’ issues this year are coaching. Yet Andy Reid is a very sought-out coach by the NFL and has been linked to several other head coaching jobs if fired.
Strange…
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It is strange. It was just last season I was listening to an Eagles game on the tube and one of the announcers made the comment that Andy Reid and the owner/mgt team was one of the best in the league and going on about how Reid was like a/the dean of coaches given his longevity in the job. One would think he’s entitled to a bad season given all the competitive years he’s given the city. But, Eagles fans are hard to please. They boo Santa Claus.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Wish I could sock Jim Buss jr in the mouth, right about now.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
was = were
December 13th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
At least the Eagles don’t have DA/Knapp running the show. Can you imagine the fans then?
December 13th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
MiamiRaider78
Lake-no-Show is hard to watch these days. I’m not a fan — haven’t been since the Showtime days — but the majority of my family are Laker fans.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Later nation, sleep time out east…
Thanks for letting me vent my 10yr+ frustrations.
Hopefully we all get some HOPE sooner rather than later.
In the end it will all be to Marky D…
December 13th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Hey Miami….Im in Miami too. We should watch in misery sometime!
December 13th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
At least the Eagles don’t have DA/Knapp running the show. Can you imagine the fans then?
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Oh, man, CEDRaider, heads would be rolling literally! God only knows what they’d be throwing on the field!!!
December 13th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Man oh man some MAD Philly fans in Mont Bleu,..you think we got it bad?…they bagged on me for my Raider gear on,..I told them hey man, weve got three Lombardis,..you still waiting for your first…they didnt have a response,..a lot of them there in the sports book though…
December 13th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Where at Tuck? lol That would be great, a bunch of miserable and intoxicated Raider fans yelling at the tv. haha
I’m always down to watch a Raider game with some fans. Theres a large number of fans that show up when they play the Dolphins. I love it!
December 13th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
And like I said, seeing how Jon isnt returning, Im rolling with Reggie and Allen and Knapp for another year,…let Reg take out the trash, have a good draft,…get rid of DMC and DHB,..at least 8-8 next year. Im in. (Rather have Gruden though)
December 13th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
I think Knapp should at least get the Al Saunders position and bring in a new O.C.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Miami, I live in Falls area in S MIA. I have endured several recent Dolphin-OAk beatdowns ar hw stadium too (unfortunately)! I have the direcTV ticket so thats my ‘outlet’. Where u at?
December 13th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Knapp, 48, is one of the NFL’s most running game-oriented offensive minds. As a coordinator in San Francisco (2001-2003), Atlanta (2004-2006), Oakland (2007-2008), and Seattle (2009), Knapp engineered seven top-five finishes in rushing attempts over a span of nine seasons.
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Rushing ATTEMPTS; as if that is an accomplishment.
No results mentioned just that he “attempted” more than most teams.
Hahaha. Wow!
December 13th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
And like I said, seeing how Jon isnt returning….
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Is this a rumor or been verified somehow (by Gruden himself?)
boy talk about the Star Wars Death Star power down sound track….
“BOOWWWRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr………….BOOOOM”
JG always was a long shot I know but still NO chance —-> depressing if true….
December 13th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Reggie is the trash.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
North Miami Beach. It’s the worst having to return to work or even being alive for the next 2 weeks after a loss to the Fins.
Best game I attended though, even though it was a loss, was when the Raiders came down here after 9-11. That game was fckn awesome! During the Gruden era!!!
December 13th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Mark you have to FIRE EVERYONE!!
December 13th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
I was there too!
took 2 hrs to get in! Even my buddies 5yr old son was frisked for explosives….Really?
ok we will have to hook up sometime to watch once we have some actual hope again…
December 13th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
FIRE MARK.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Tuckfool,..it has been confirmed,..no Gruden returning,..also confirmed is Allen and Knapp and Tarver all returning in 2013. Im ok with it. Gruden was a long shot.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
I saw the last win too i think…when we ran wild on fins and culpepper was our qb…not sure what year that was..should renember since wins out east esp vs mia are rare!
December 13th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Really did they say that? Reggie allowed this?? DA stands by what Knapp is doing?? Ausberry not in future plans?? Holly molly!! This says DA dont know how to Coach or evaluate players!! Goota change!! Or gonna be 10 cars in the parking lot on Sundays!!
December 13th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
The Eagles would kill the Raiders.
Rank 32.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Tuck,
Thats when Culpepper kept pointing at his knee after he scored a TD because the Fins let him go. That was a blow out in the rain. Ahhh, the memories.
Def got to link up. Hopefully it’s not 10 and then. lol
December 13th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
im not ok with the clown coach cadre returning.
so they return NO MATTER what disasterous things potentially transpire over the next 3 weeks?
really?
if so, mark’s business sanity needs to be questioned…
ESP after reading THIS article, which on face value is truly stunning (and not the good kind).
December 13th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
This is crazy Hue Jackson end of the year talk!!! Crazy
December 13th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Miami for sure….
December 13th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Raiders are so bad its unwatchable!!!
December 13th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Its watchable in a “trainwreck-gotta-look” sorta way, no?
December 13th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
This is just another case of what are they supposed to say..
“Honestly, this scheme is a big waste of time and I don’t how I’ll get invited back.”
“You know what, this is the worst roster in the NFL with some of the ugliest contracts so we don’t want a lot of these guys back.”
It’s the same boring crap you here from people that are trained for the media. None of it is truly telling to how the offseason will work out.
The only people that speak out negatively are people that know they will have a job elsewhere when they are let go. (Carson palmer, early career T.O.)
Not too many guys on this squad ready for that risk. Except Rolando who is an idiot.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Maybe we are shooting another top 5 draft pick in 2014 as well.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Football dont mean chyt to be right now!! Thank you Mark, Reggie, DA, Knapp, Tarver, Pollach! Quality organization here!!
December 13th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
NO! Jamarcus was a train wreck gotta look thing! But theres nothing to see here! DMC cant get pass the line! Nothing to see!!
December 13th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
From Bleacher Report’s Christopher Hanson about an hour ago:
Why the Raiders Should Fire Offensive Coordinator Greg Knapp:
General Manager Reggie McKenzie was hired to bring stability to the Oakland Raiders. The idea was to start fresh and stabilize a team that was in a constant state of change over the past decade.
McKenzie hired a new coaching staff, completely revamped the scouting department and began remaking the roster.
The personnel would need to change, but the idea was that the rest would be stable. It’s now clear that not every hire McKenzie made was a good one and offensive coordinator Greg Knapp should be fired at the end of the season.
It’s not preferable to change offensive coordinators after one season and there is something to be said for keeping the same scheme in place, but that doesn’t mean Knapp is the right guy to foster offensive growth.
Knapp is the wrong coach for many reasons.
First, it’s been clear from the start that Knapp wasn’t going to be as successful as Hue Jackson. A scheme takes time to develop, but the entire offense should not take a step backward before making progress in the second season. The offense should also show some progression throughout the first season ,and for the most part that hasn’t been the case.
In fact, it wouldn’t be hard to make a case that the offense has actually gotten worse. The Raiders have averaged 15.4 points per game over the last five games and 21.4 points per game over the first eight games.
That’s called regression, not progression.
There is a legitimate case to be made that Darren McFadden and Carson Palmer are poor fits in Knapp’s offense, and that’s not something that changes over the course of a year. Palmer isn’t going to gain mobility and if McFadden can’t grasp the zone-blocking system by now, he’s not ever going to be able to get it down.
Knapp’s most recent media session was filled with statements that make it clear that he isn’t the right man for the job.
Via Raiders.com:
With a year’s off-season work at that, and a better understanding of the system, the performance level usually goes up the following season because of that, Knapp said in response to his expectations for the offense next season.
It sounds right, but has only been the case once in Knapp’s career. This is Knapp’s fifth stint as offensive coordinator and he only made it to his second year three times. As offensive coordinator in San Francisco and Oakland (the first time), Knapp’s offenses were ranked lower in yards and points in his second season. Knapp’s offense in Atlanta did improve in his second season there, but the team lost three more games.
Knapp’s claim that it takes time doesn’t really jive with his own experience. Knapp is looking for reasons that he should keep his job. What’s Knapp’s explanation for a disappointing first year?
In response to if he was surprised it has taken this long, Knapp said, “No, every place I’ve been to it’s usually going to take at least a year’s transition time to get everything taught, and the parts we’ve changed.”
So, it takes time does it? Nope, Knapp’s memory doesn’t serve him well. Knapp’s offenses have improved in his first year as offensive coordinator in every instance except the 2012 Raiders. The offense improved in San Francisco in his first year, Atlanta, Oakland (the first time) and Seattle.
Knapp’s other excuse for the poor year is about the personnel changes:
You’ve got to remember, we’ve changed both linemen; we talked about the center (Stefen Wisniewski) and the tackle earlier that played quite a bit. Our top two running backs went down in the same game, and we converted a fullback to running back.
You could make a case that the offensive line needed time to develop, but it’s the zone-blocking veterans—Cooper Carlisle and Mike Brisiel—that are having the most trouble. Both Jared Veldheer and Wisniewski—who are new to the scheme—have been playing well.
Blaming the running game seems to make sense until later on in the media session when Knapp says, “I’m very pleased with the fact that we’re in the top 10 in passing, and we’ve improved in the running game the last six weeks.”
Does Knapp realize that it’s his scheme? Does he realize that his top two running backs were hurt and his fullback was playing running back during that six-week span when the running game improved? He’s using the reason for the improvement as an excuse for bad offense!
When the running game didn’t get going in the first two games of 2012, it was crystal clear that something was wrong. The strength of the offense was supposed to be the running game and the Raiders are now dead last in rushing touchdowns, 30th in yards per game and 24th in yards per carry.
The passing game has nice stats that Knapp is said he is pleased with, but most of the yards and touchdowns have come when the Raiders have been trailing by multiple scores. Palmer has been the king of garbage time in 2012 and unable to produce when the score is tied or the Raiders have the lead.
Knapp also drops this nugget when talking about if the pieces were in place for next year:
“The first year in Houston we finished I believe at 6-10. That was the fifth year in the system. They had just finished 30th or 32nd in running. All of the sudden a guy named Arian Foster showed up undrafted.”
Wait a second—did he just say the fifth year in the system and the running game was 30th or 32nd in rushing? He did and then explained that Foster showed up and changed everything.
Rewind to earlier in the media session when he says, “I’m a firm believer in the scheme. I’ve been to too many places, and had too much experience, to know that it’s a very productive scheme.”
Huh? Realistically, there will be no jump in the second year unless McKenzie brings in players that fit Knapp’s scheme. McKenzie has an entire defense to rebuild and the Raiders need an offensive coordinator that can maximize the talent the Raiders have right now.
On Knapp’s insistence on using a scheme that doesn’t fit his players. Knapp said, “It’s not that big of a change when it comes to football 101, as far as the different types of route concepts, and the running game. It just takes some time to be more efficient.”
So the scheme isn’t that different? Again, fast-forward to when he’s talking about his confidence in the offensive scheme, “You’d much rather have a coach come in and teach what he knows best, than have him teach a system that he doesn’t know at all. That’s going to take some time.”
So his system is not that different, but he doesn’t know the other schemes at all? You can’t make this stuff up. The offense is not performing and it’s bad enough that Knapp is making excuses, but they should at least make sense.
In this place we call reality, it doesn’t take time. Knapp hasn’t been any better in his second season and the personnel is basically the same as it was last year when the offense was much better.
Knapp needs to go and McKenzie and Dennis Allen need to realize it sooner rather than later.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
“Its usually going to take at least a year’s transition time to get everything taught … ”For the new coaches to unteach the krapp you tried to force feed this year……
December 13th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Reggie will never admit any mistake.
Reggie is a great GM.
Just ask him.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Fire them all before they dump Ausberry and he goes to Chargers becomes better than Gates for 10 more years!!
December 13th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Knapp is a symptom.
Reggie is the disease.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Guys, good night from central PA!
December 13th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
To which, Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said: That’s a “good question; a question worth asking.”
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Pain and sufferage.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
To bad thats the Bleecher Report, Not NFL.com
December 13th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Yeah me too, I’m out…. Definitely K-Napp time for me (but absolutely K-NOT KNAPP time for OAK!)
December 13th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Coordinators Knapp, Tarver expect leap in production next season
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Really? Com’on man. Why don’t you try and sell me a piece of the Golden Gate Bridge instead.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Just lose baby!!!
December 13th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Next season is when the Raiders can expect those results, Knapp said. And how is that going to manifest itself?
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Greater pain, suffering and woe. Humility and degradation. I am good with that. Bring on the pain. Bring it on Sunday with a blow out loss, why wait til next season.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Losing the Toilet Bowl game means you get to bring the toilet home. That would be a good thing for us to bring it home. Bring home the toilet. Bring on the pain.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
I don’t normally hold Bleacher Report in high esteem but the guy is dead on.
The scary part is that DA is endorsing this and “is pleased” with Knapp.
That’s scary.
I was for giving DA another yr. for continuity’s sake but after this today?
After reading that article and hearing DA still endorse this guy?
December 13th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Scourge Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Guys, good night from central PA!
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Later Scourge.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Endorsing a coach with a history of regressing a teams offense, defeats the purpose of Mark saying he was disappointed that this whole team has regressed.
Kind of scary, folks.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Post 344… Truth!
December 13th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Ate you kidding me? Not only do the coordinators believe we need to waste another year of our lives on their sorry asses they also advocate bringing back the vast majority of these loser players?
Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawq them!
December 13th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
It’s funny when Hanson says “You can’t make this stuff up”.
Knapp blames injuries to his top two rb’s as a reason the running game has struggled yet turns around and says he’s “pleased with the running game the last 6 wk’s”. Ha. When it was the backups who are responsible for the improvement..that he says is the reason they have sucked.
Unfreakingbelievable…. and DA is ENDORSING THIS!
December 13th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
“This year is just a level for the growth and development of the younger guys, as well as the vets trying to adapt the new scheme and philosophy.”
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And admit this please: It has been long suffering, painful, ugly, humiliating, degrading, woeful, pathetic and horrid to say the least. You know thats right. Bring on the pain. Nothing short of a blow out loss will be acceptable. Winning the Toilet Bowl will mean absolutely nothing. Take the joy and misery of being able to hoist it up on a top shelf in the locker room. Fans are hurting. We need a blow out loss to ease the pain, to endorse what has really transpired this season. Not and angry win that might make me think, WTH, is this some kind of joke. I’m into this misery thing now. It’s all good. The humility is wonderful. Bring on the pain and suffering, make me hardened for it, as I will need it next year. That’s a fact.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
I’m starting to believe my crazy thoughts that they want to stink it up and leave for L.A. That way the Oakland faithful won’t give a shet because obviously the organzation doesn’t seem to care about the fans.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
I don’t normally hold Bleacher Report in high esteem but the guy is dead on.
The scary part is that DA is endorsing this and “is pleased” with Knapp.
That’s scary.
I was for giving DA another yr. for continuity’s sake but after this today?
After reading that article and hearing DA still endorse this guy?
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Completely agree. I would have given DA another year (wouldn’t choose to, but could understand it) if he got rid of Knapp and Hoffman.
However, it really does sound like he’s endorsing him. This is really scary, can they be truly this naive?
I’m speechless
December 13th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Only losing out gives us the chance to get rid if these fkn morons!
December 13th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Marcus Allen, GOAT?
December 13th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
I hate this fking phone almost as much as I hate knapp!
December 13th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Did Marcus Allen run behind a ZBS?
December 13th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
I’d much rather see the Raiders rebuild under Raider Principles, rather than foreign principles.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
The only play that has excited me, in the terms of being clever, was that throw back screen or whatever you name it, against the Broncos.
One play, the whole year.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Nothing short of a blow out loss will be acceptable and proper. Can’t imagine the team being able to get it up after hearing this. Knapp and Tarver said the right things, that is, if you buy into hog wash and snake oil. They would have garnered more respect from me if the tried to sell me a piece of the Golden Gate Bridge. But their take on next seasons direction is for the birds. Doesn’t hold water. Who are they trying to con. But if you read between the lines, you’ll see what they are really saying: pain and suffering, misery and woe. That is what we know. That is what we show.
This is why a blow out loss is a must. Any true Raider fan agrees with this. A win means absolutely nothing. It only lends credibility to DAs’ ringing endorsement of knapp and tarver. Which is hogwash to begin with.
Bring on the pain.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
If this were any of the other 31 teams we were talking about i’d say if DA knew what was good for him he would distance himself from Knapp as quickly as possible.
With this regime?
I’m starting to wonder if they are all nuts.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Reading this makes me feel like I’m taking crazy pills
December 13th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
# 407,
You know that’s right.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
You guys thought Al Davis was nuts?
December 13th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
KoolKell Says: Marcus Allen, GOAT?===================
What? 16 years. Most of ‘em productive. Running, blocking, catching. Real good candidate. And I SAW HIM EVERY HOME GAME LIVE IN LA, Kool.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Rudegruden Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Reading this makes me feel like I’m taking crazy pills
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Embrace the pain. It’s gonna be here next year. Get good with it. Less stressful if you embrace the misery and woe. Bring on the pain.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Knapp should be fired just based on this presser of his.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
“The first year in Houston we finished I believe at 6-10. That was the fifth year in the system. They had just finished 30th or 32nd in running. All of the sudden a guy named Arian Foster showed up undrafted.”
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Serious question. Can anyone explain what Knapp was TRYING to say here in his defense?
December 13th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Kokomo Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Knapp should be fired just based on this presser of his.
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HueJax was fired for less. At least HueJax had a vision and was sincere and knew what had to be done. Dude had the gonads to tell it like it is. Knapp is sugar coating it cause he thinks were desperate fans who need a bone. He knows the pain and misery and woeful product will be just as bad if not worse next year. No question about it. All you can do is embrace the torment and misery.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Guys, I got money on a billboard. I feel even more hopeless than I felt yesterday with this news.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Dennis Allen and his league of extraordinary fuktards just need more time with this crew of loser players!
Yeah, that’s the ticket!
December 13th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Seriously if Hue was fired for poppin off at the mouth and getting a power trip…if the reports were true that Mark was infuriated then Mark needs to bring some justice and fire the entire tits regime NOW
December 13th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
FML
December 13th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Guys, I got money on a billboard. I feel even more hopeless than I felt yesterday with this news.
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To go from the Gruden rumor hysteria to today’s depressing news is to much. Just another reason to embrace the torment and misery. It will be back, get good with it. Bring on the pain. That’s right. Bring on the pain.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
TITS REGIME slogan:
“A new Error of Perspective and Patience”
December 13th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Guys, I got money on a billboard. I feel even more hopeless than I felt yesterday with this news.
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I wouldn’t have thought i could feel much worse but they one-upped me again.
I wasn’t before, but after reading Knapps TOTALLY INSANE and b.s filled presser and hearing that DA “is pleased” with him…i am now willing to absorb the media hit of being ridiculed for firing yet another 1st yr. HC.
December 13th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Boss01 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
TITS REGIME slogan:
“A new Error of Perspective and Patience”
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“A new Error of Lying and Denial”
December 13th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
I’m graduating from the old slogan to the new one
10 and then? NO
20 is plenty!
Bring back NFL Europe! =/
December 13th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
I AM NOT SAYING ROMAC is in the right.. but can u blame the kid sometimes? He went from BAMA coaching to DA in a matter of 3 yrs. Prolly thought ya i know we are bad.. but DA is really bad f outta here
December 13th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
if knapp goes does carson stay?
carson has played light years better under knapps offense then he did under hu jack /suanders vertical game
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Haven’t brought this up before, but it’s time. I think Miss Tick is an angry white male, probably middle aged, trying very hard to portray what he thinks would be an apparantly sincere but ultimately ridiculous angry young black man. Use of the word ‘cats’ while using a hiphop name? Totally untenable arguements about the respective merits of black and white QB’s?
It is an obvious attempt to discredit the thinking blackman (sorry TJ) and is really becoming ever more apparant to every intelligent football fan. A white guy discrediting blacks by acting as a less than astute (to put it kindly) commenter on the only position where a racial contraversy could take traction.
No self respecting black man is going to allege ‘tricknology’ and refer to multimillionaires as ’slaves taking table scraps’. The ‘boy’ is a fraud.
December 13th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
This organization is YEARS away from competing for a winning season, much less the playoffs….
They are trying to make a complete philosophical change on Offense & Defense.
A change in the complete opposite direction from the one these players played in college or were drafted to play in the NFL.
The Raiders were a Man Defense… they scouted and drafted players from man systems. Players that played the majority of their adult lives in 1 scheme.
The Raiders abandoned the ZBS and brought in lineman that were scouted to play a power system. Lineman that have never played, much less excelled in ZBS.
Now they are learning an entirely new system. Players that can adapt will be here next year and players who can’t will be cut.
It will take years to get the depth and talent on this team to play and execute the new schemes.
Welcome to Hell gentleman. This ride aint gonna end anytime soon…
December 13th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
C’mon you people, who have been blaming the Players……………..Knapp says he wants to bring them all back!
Lmao, do you feel violated?
December 13th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
If these two “Ringling Brothers” aren’t gone after the season is over something is wrong.They have been promising all year and preaching patience…now it’s “wait til next year”.Freakin’ idiots!!!
December 13th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
C’mon you people, who have been blaming the Players……………..Knapp says he wants to bring them all back!
Lmao, do you feel violated?
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Yeah, but they change their names. Lol.
December 13th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
428,
Like that article in Bleacher Report and other sources have noted, changing schemes does not have to take yr’s to acclimate to.
Look at what Denver did when they switched from Orton to Tebow last yr. They started winning.
Things happen fast in the NFL nowadays; unless you’re Oakland, and especially fast if you are switching TO a scheme that better fits your personnel.
I liken a potential scheme change in Oakland back to something that better fits to swimming upstream for a long time and then finally saying “screw it” and turning around and going with the current.
December 13th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
“Teach what you know”? This is absolutely depressing. The offensive coordinator is incapable of innovating to get the best out of the players we have–and doesn’t believe he should try. Of course, whatever he “knows” is out there for others–who are smarter and working harder–to study and thus effectively defend. And was it so hard to figure out that DMac does not have the type of agility, vision, and instincts to exploit the zone-blocking system?
December 13th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
“Teach what you know”
His resume suggests he doesn’t know much.
December 13th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
inonewordraider Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
no ausberry? in the little time he’s played in actually played in games he’s been a good receiving tight end, these guys am i missing something?
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Probably the same thing that Ausberry must be missing — his blocking assignments. He might also be really weak on one or both of route running and picking up the system.
Any and all of those limitations will trump the fact that he seems to have decent hands and can run really fast with the ball afterwards. It turns out that there’s a lot more to playing TE than catch and run.
December 13th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
I am really disturbed that DA is backing Knapp and saying he “is pleased” with him.
I know they say they never read newspapers or care what anybody says but i gotta think someone in the Raiders org does.
Unlike a baseless article written by an angry writer with a bone to pick with the org. this Knapp stuff is what their own guy has said.
The lies and b.s are in all seriousness bordering on mental instability and for DA to be “pleased”?
How can anyone who knows ANYTHING about football think that bringing back THIS group of lackluster, talent deprived losers (players) is the answer?
We will almost certainly NOT have one player (outisde of Lechler and/or Jano) who will make the probowl and very few are even regarded as above average by ANYBODY…ANYWHERE and yet it’s these guys they wanna bring back?
December 13th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
inonewordraider Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
no ausberry? in the little time he’s played in actually played in games he’s been a good receiving tight end, these guys am i missing something?
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Probably the same thing that Ausberry must be missing — his blocking assignments. He might also be really weak on one or both of route running and picking up the system.
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I think we have a winner here. Ausberry seems to be missing his assignments and the staff has said that will not be tolerated. Same thing with Gordon.
December 13th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
I’d be down on the whole Knapp hanging around and keeping the ZBS as you all, except that I saw Reece and Stewart run really well in it. When someone can explain to me how it works for them yet is still flawed, then maybe I’ll get on the bandwagon.
Otherwise, I’m going to expect that next season there will be an upgrade at RT for sure, where the clowns that have played their this season would make a unit in any system weak. I also believe that Carlisle was brought back one more year as a stopgap and that they’d like to find another guard. Maybe it turns out to be Bergstrom or maybe they find a solid ZBS center and move Wiz back over. Either way, I see likely two new players on the line that are better in the scheme.
I also think Briesel is getting a bum wrap here. He’s had his moments of bad plays, but then who on the line hasn’t this year? I think his biggest problem has been the guys on his right and that he has to compensate for them. Give him some better talent next to him, like he had in Houston, and we’ll see the same player that was part of that dominant Texans line.
Knapp remaining also means end of the line for DMac, with his $6M contract (and $8M cap hit) paying way too much for a fragile, can’t read the holes but I can run really fast through them if they open right in front of me RB. That money can be better spent on cheaper RBs that can run in the system with the remainder going into the line upgrades above.
I’m optimistic — a lot more than most of you — that with a few more key player upgrades this system will be much improved. And I’ll be happy to dredge up all this talk at this point next year
December 13th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
I think we have a winner here. Ausberry seems to be missing his assignments and the staff has said that will not be tolerated. Same thing with Gordon.
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You co-sign every decision the Raiders make. Just like reading a Raider press report. You’re such an expert.
December 13th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Tell us when Knapp leaps to the unemployment line.
December 13th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Zymurge.
Ever heard of the pass-catching TE?.
Aaron Hernandez, Jimmy Graham, Dustin Keller, Greg Olsen, Tony Scheffler, Jacob Tamme, Jared Cook, that type of player?.
Ausberry has all the tools to be used in a similar fashion.
Those guys are rarely asked to block anyone, they run routes, often split out wide and try to find a mismatch to exploit, they draw coverage even if they don’get the ball…and you when you have one of those you will usually find a better blocking TE splitting time with them (Myers or Gordon) and doing the dirty work, not here.
It’s all about the mismatches and personnel groupings in today’s game, when you have a 6′4 255 guy who runs a 4.4 and can catch you better find a way to use him, he doesn’t have to start or play the whole game but you gotta give him 20 to 30 snaps a game.
It’s on the Coaches.
December 13th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
One more year of misery, torment and woeful sorrows. Bring on the pain.
December 13th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Bob, what do you think about Reggie?
December 13th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Kooky you are kind of a loud mouthed busy body that doesn’t sell many homes. Aren’t you?
December 13th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Long Live Chucky!!!!!!!! Raider Nation!!!!!!! ALL DAY
December 13th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Kooky you are kind of a loud mouthed busy body that doesn’t sell many homes. Aren’t you?
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Lol, how many homes do you sell?
December 13th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Lol, how many homes do you sell?
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More than none.
December 13th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
The bottom has fallen out on this club. When you go to a game or turn on the big screen, deep in you heart you know there will be pain and torment. You don’t move, you suck it all in. Embrace the pain. Get good with it. It is here for at least another year. My money says “4 more years”. Misery loves company, so get on board. Look forward to a blow out loss this Sunday. Only the purest Raider fans can appreciate that. For many reasons. You know that’s right. Raiders need to bring that toilet into the locker room so that one day when Mark or Reggie are looking for a place to drop a stool, they’ll see that toilet in the trophy case and realize they did this for the pain. Embrace the pain. Bring on the pain.
December 13th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
(A few paragraphs supporting Knapp)
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Greg Knapp is not an NFL level Offensive Coordinator. He has spent his entire career proving this. This doesn’t mean he can’t be a good supporting member of a coaching staff – like he was in Houston – but he is not a guy you want making the decisions. There is no reason to prolong this nonsense.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
438,
Yes. Forgive us for not being in this state of unbridled optimism after reading a lie ridden, bogus excuse filled transcript from the offensive coordinator while were sitting here at 3-10 and currently ranked as one of the worst teams in pro football. It’s crazy we wouldn’t be waving pom pns and brimmimng with optimism right now.
Make sure when you dredge up all the negative comments next yr. at this time that you mention the current state of the team when it was expressed.
No matter what is thrown back in our faces when and if we are in the playoff hunt next season it won’t take away from the obvious lies, back tracking and total b.s we were fed from Greg Knapp today.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Bob Marley Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
and you when you have one of those you will usually find a better blocking TE splitting time with them (Myers or Gordon) and doing the dirty work, not here.
It’s all about the mismatches and personnel groupings in today’s game, when you have a 6′4 255 guy who runs a 4.4 and can catch you better find a way to use him, he doesn’t have to start or play the whole game but you gotta give him 20 to 30 snaps a game.
It’s on the Coaches.
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I think that is a very good description. But who are you taking out of the game? Myers? He’s been your most productive receiver. DHB? Moore? Reece? McFadden?
December 13th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Yes, the Raiders are our personal ‘Crying Game’. We thought we had a football team but instead we got a, oh mercy, you know what we got. Excuse me while I run to the toilet to throw up.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Old man.
I loved the hiring, long-time scout with a succesful organization and a former Raider, he was the perfect candidate.
I believe in Reggie and have a lot to say about his first year but it’s too late right now, I’m about to fall asleep here so I’ll get back to you in the morning.
But as I said on an earlier post, any GM or Head Coach willing to put their faith in the hands of Greg Knapp needs to have his judgement severely questioned, gotta fix that.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Saying that Reece and Stewart ran Well is a stretch…sure Reece put up some yards, and Stewart had a few good plays, but there were a lot of zero to minus yard plays too…just like with DMac and goodsen.
Exploiting matchups has been a failure by this OC, using the available talent has been mediocre at best and the abandoning of the run game has set us up for failure to EVER get it going, even after early season statements about how “we are sticking to the running game” only to abandon it by halftime…
December 13th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Bob, I’m only 60, ok?
December 13th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
How many ‘rebuilding’ teams bring in a HC with ZERO Head Coaching Experience AT ANY LEVEL of competitive football?
But don’t worry, Reggies GUT told him he was the guy…
December 13th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Bob Marley Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
and you when you have one of those you will usually find a better blocking TE splitting time with them (Myers or Gordon) and doing the dirty work, not here.
It’s all about the mismatches and personnel groupings in today’s game, when you have a 6′4 255 guy who runs a 4.4 and can catch you better find a way to use him, he doesn’t have to start or play the whole game but you gotta give him 20 to 30 snaps a game.
It’s on the Coaches.
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I think that is a very good description. But who are you taking out of the game? Myers? He’s been your most productive receiver. DHB? Moore? Reece? McFadden?
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When we are complaining about which productive player is on the bench at any one time because we have too many productive players to keep on the field, I hope we remember this year and think about how much we wished that were our problem.
Good coaches will find the right formations and uses for their players. They all need rest from time to time. Play the matchups and use what works.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
A former Raider who has done EVERYTHING to make this team look NOTHING like the Raider team he was drafted and employed by…He owed Al a whole bunch more than this…
December 13th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Zymurge but how can you say the runs game been effective when we still get shut down on the goal line because.your beloved knapp is calling zone stretch plays on the 1, he hardly ever runs and when he does its predictable. And yes stewart and reece have looked better than dmac in this system but neither of them has had a game like dmac had last year. Compare reeces best game this year to dmacs best game last year… Ill take Dmac and his 175 yrd 3td game in a system that fits him over a reece gaining 98 and a td. In the right system Dmac is a game changer someone opposing teams fear, in this system reece and stewart are servicable. Nobody wants a decent offense when you have the choice of being dynamic unless youre a loser who doesnt mind settling for less. If you dont mind knapp and this lack luster azz offense idk what to tell you…
December 13th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Knapp Sickens me with his Bull! We have seen it and heard it before! you are right about that!
December 13th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Bush.
Come on man, you are not taking out one single player all the time, you get creative and rotate the skill position guys WR, TE, RB so a guy like Ausberry can get on the field and make an impact.
Kell.
I will say one thing, I’m not calling for Reggie’s head, his first year was a disaster and it is on him but I think the Coaching Staff let him down, I want to see what he does in the off-season.
Good night gentlemen.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Guess there are people who are Happy with 3-10 with too many blow out losses to count, and ZERO to build on.
Unless getting your head kicked in every Sunday builds
a winner in the NFL…Otherwise, enjoy being a Laughingstock of the league.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Im sorry but nobodys shaking in their boots cus reece and stewart are coming to town in knapps
System, but last year under hue when Dmac rolled into town they were under pressure with their brows sweating wondering how they were gonna stop him.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Knapp should have NEVER been let in the building based on is previous stint…who signed of on this guy?
Oh yeah, No ONE, cause DA got to pick his own staff of buddies he wanted to surround himself with…just like reggie did.
Mark is looking more stupid by the day…
December 13th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
How many ‘rebuilding’ teams bring in a HC with ZERO Head Coaching Experience AT ANY LEVEL of competitive football?
But don’t worry, Reggies GUT told him he was the guy…
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As Knapp would say “that’s a fair question”
December 13th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
I’d be down on the whole Knapp hanging around and keeping the ZBS as you all, except that I saw Reece and Stewart run really well in it. When someone can explain to me how it works for them yet is still flawed, then maybe I’ll get on the bandwagon.
Otherwise, I’m going to expect that next season there will be an upgrade at RT for sure, where the clowns that have played their this season would make a unit in any system weak. I also believe that Carlisle was brought back one more year as a stopgap and that they’d like to find another guard. Maybe it turns out to be Bergstrom or maybe they find a solid ZBS center and move Wiz back over. Either way, I see likely two new players on the line that are better in the scheme.
I also think Briesel is getting a bum wrap here. He’s had his moments of bad plays, but then who on the line hasn’t this year? I think his biggest problem has been the guys on his right and that he has to compensate for them. Give him some better talent next to him, like he had in Houston, and we’ll see the same player that was part of that dominant Texans line.
Knapp remaining also means end of the line for DMac, with his $6M contract (and $8M cap hit) paying way too much for a fragile, can’t read the holes but I can run really fast through them if they open right in front of me RB. That money can be better spent on cheaper RBs that can run in the system with the remainder going into the line upgrades above.
I’m optimistic — a lot more than most of you — that with a few more key player upgrades this system will be much improved. And I’ll be happy to dredge up all this talk at this point next year
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Two things involved here, they not o nly went to more power blocking but the Oline started to get the ZBS system down better allowing the backs to be more productive. Goodson came directly from a ZBS so it was business as usual for him. But at the start of the season the Oline was out of synch and so was the great HB. You saw when he came back the Oline played better and so did he. The fans like me are upset over the weeks and months we wasted due to the change.
It’s not that the system doesn’t work it’s that we were in high gear with the last system and didn’t ned to waste an entire season fixing something that was not broken……….period
December 13th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
How long did it take for Reece to be properly utilized? Did he ever attempt to give him some touches to alleviate DMAC’S load? Basically mishandled potentially could have been a 3 headed monster in our backfield.
On top of that, for someone who’s known for improving a run game, he sure abandoned them pretty quick in games.
Anyone can see this, except DA and co?
December 13th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Also Brisiel has been a complete bum and there is no excuse for him………sorry he gets blown off the ball way to often on passing downs when the ZBS has to be even more passive. His constant mistakes have undone many big plays from holding to presnap mistakes.
There is no mistaking it he has been our worse Olineman this year he should’ve been a steadying enfluence as was Carlisle when he first got here to help teach the system. Bergstrom will be replacing Brisiel based on what DA had to say. So no Brisiel terrible mistake no question about it.
All you hav eto do is watch DMC play in this system the rest of the year to know he aint going anywhere. The line is playing better and he is making much better decisions based on what I saw last outting.
The fact that this staff cannot utilize Ausberry properly along with several others they have mishandled it’s not hard to see why most every fan can’t stand the idea of their return. Except maybe yourself.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Zymurge Says: (about Ausberry)
Any and all of those limitations will trump the fact that he seems to have decent hands and can run really fast with the ball afterwards. It turns out that there’s a lot more to playing TE than catch and run.===========
Thought he looked very promising. Can’t answer to their not using him. I did like what Hue said last year, which was; ” If you don’t have the ball, you better be blocking someone or looking for someone to block.” Maybe he doesn’t.
That, along with Cables observation of; “PBS, ZBS, it’s football, block your man.”
Isn’t that it? Your QB and his playmakers will reward you.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Zymurge.
Ever heard of the pass-catching TE?.
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Ausberry has all the tools to be used in a similar fashion.
Those guys are rarely asked to block anyone, they run routes, often split out wide and try to find a mismatch to exploit,
[more snip]
It’s all about the mismatches and personnel groupings in today’s game, when you have a 6′4 255 guy who runs a 4.4 and can catch you better find a way to use him, he doesn’t have to start or play the whole game but you gotta give him 20 to 30 snaps a game.
It’s on the Coaches.
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You might want to reread my post. I said it was one or more of blocking, route running and reading. All the guys you mentioned above are experts at running precise routes, and in knowing how to make the split second reads to find those gaps. Just because Ausberry is big and runs fast, it doesn’t mean he can get open. Perhaps the issue is that he’s not getting open even against the Raiders weak defense in practice, so what’s the point of rolling plays out for him?
Want some evidence that might point to this? The only things I’ve seen him getting the ball on this season are screens and simple outs. Those are the kind of plays where you say “Go wait over there for the ball” and then if the coverage is right, you throw it to him.
When you see him executing a seam route like Jimmy Graham, or hell, even as well as Myers, then we can talk about how he’s a mismatch. To this point, he looks like a big fast guy that the defenses have no fear of in the passing game and that hasn’t shown that he can at least justify being in on running plays to keep them guessing because he’s a blocking liability.
Look, I’m not down on him — I even picked him up as a sleeper in my fantasy draft this year after the way Palmer was gushing about him from preseason. But the reality is he hasn’t been able to find his way onto the field in an offense that hasn’t exactly been suiting up a trio of White, Jones and Gonzales in front of him. That speaks volumes and volumes.
For every player that turns out to be a decent or better starter in the NFL there are many a prospect that looked great coming off the bus but that didn’t pan out. Al was somewhat famous for picking those too, wasn’t he? The evidence we’re seeing now says that Ausberry may very well be one of those.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Chris Collinsworth said the other day,”running backs should have lateral quickness, due to the fact that the hole you’re supposed to run through,most of the times won’t be open when you’re about to hit it.”
I am paraphrasing but all I could think of was DMAC and how he’s neither patient or quick laterally.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
The way they have misused talent is damn near criminal any GM worth his salt would be up in arms. Only our GM basically doesn’t care un less it’s HIS players getting misused. He wants to justify the talent he brought in and discredit the talent that was here prior to his arrival such as Ausberry TJ Checkwa and many others. Our secondary was shredded for bums sending away a DVD a very good man cover corner because he was a little slow learing their zone system that’s been burned so often it’s setting records.
No this staff isn’t bad they’re HORRIBLE and for this owner and GM to sit there and watch this crap and even endorse it is a damn shame to loyal fans of this once proud franchise. They were supposed to bring hope and light into our future not this dispare beyond belief.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
DMC was way too quick to the hole at the beginning because he was soo used to attacking hole from last year. On many occasions even when he came back hewould press the hole and then it would open up after he had already committed himself. The ZBS system ask teh back to trust it allowthe defense to declare and then attack which for him goes against his nature he is by nature a speed back who wants to blow by everyone it takes a while to gear down and be that patient. It just does…
December 13th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
This clown Allen waits until the two final games to change the game and sit Crybaby down! Please give up the coach’s hat and give it to whoever! Bad taste in coaching, bad taste in GMs, maybe bad taste in owners! TPryor should have been played from season start! Please bring in a legit coach! Go to the NFL network and grab Brian if you have too! Blow up this team, Mark or sale it with a committment of staying there in the bay area!!!!
December 13th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
ZBS + zone defense + this coaching staff= at least 12 ass poundings next season.
Fuk patience Knapp it’s been 10 years! Nobody wants to finish in the top 10 in scoring you fuktard we want to LEAD the league in scoring! Draw, screen, draw, punt.. repeat
December 13th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
Bob, I’m only 60, ok?
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He11, a lot of those white rock and roll guys tearing it up last night were 69,70 years old. Motivated me. Us old’uns can get it done! Maybe the older we get, the less likely we think it is that Al was losing it in his seventies!
December 13th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
That’s what these guys are forgetting, we have been patient enough. I think they are not only trying to move on from everything Al Davis, maybe they’re trying to move on from the fans as well. Is it far fetched? Ppl are tired of this shet!
December 13th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
I am paraphrasing but all I could think of was DMAC and how he’s neither patient or quick laterally.
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I watched replays of his early season success from last year on NFL Rewind coaches film… and he has it in him. He had some amazing cuts and bursts for huge yardage. The biggest in game one had Satelle doing a fantastic dive taking out a second level tackler that MCf cut around to open spaces for 47 yards.
I don’t know what has changed since then… maybe no blocking or he isn’t hitting things as well… but McF was a frigging LOAD last year. Maybe that foot injury rehabilitated him? Who knows… but he is not the same.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
dehabilitaed*
December 13th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
I wonder if we are a KC loss/blowout away from someone getting fired? Charles will run circles around this D on Sunday and come Monday moring all will be forgiven in the name of “patience.” Bellicheck, Cowher, Fisher, Coughlin, the list goes on, don’t seem like the “patient” type to me.
December 13th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Man look how long it took Myers to learn route running in traffic, in order to learn to navigate between the hashes it takes a minute if that wasn’t your position. Ausberry was a WR he has to be developed and that is my main issue with this staff they seem to be way to impatient with talent that was here pruior to there arrival. Ausberry can be ustilized in ways to exploit what he does well even if it is only 2 routes to take advantage of his size speed ratio. The same is true with TJ he may be limited somewhat in his execution of th eentire playbook but he can run like the wind, toss him the ball and let him run. We were strugglin g to score at all to ignore a talent like his is a serious indictment.
Look at Phiily they have a guy that fumbles like crazy but he is a threat to score on every down. They take the bad with the good in order to take pressure off the QB. It takes some degree of creativity and imagination that is in short supply with this staff………..period
December 14th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Charles will run circles around this D on Sunday
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This D does well focusing on a stellar RB, especially without a premier QB to kill them biting on the play fake.
I agree with Cork… we win this game.
Not by much….
December 14th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Gdog Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
I am paraphrasing but all I could think of was DMAC and how he’s neither patient or quick laterally.
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I watched replays of his early season success from last year on NFL Rewind coaches film… and he has it in him. He had some amazing cuts and bursts for huge yardage. The biggest in game one had Satelle doing a fantastic dive taking out a second level tackler that MCf cut around to open spaces for 47 yards.
I don’t know what has changed since then… maybe no blocking or he isn’t hitting things as well… but McF was a frigging LOAD last year. Maybe that foot injury rehabilitated him? Who knows… but he is not the same.
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DMC is an unbelievable offensive weapon to mismanage his talent is all-time DUMB.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:03 am
Gdog Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Charles will run circles around this D on Sunday
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This D does well focusing on a stellar RB, especially without a premier QB to kill them biting on the play fake.
I agree with Cork… we win this game.
Not by much….
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Hope you’re right, but remember how we made Gabbert look like a hall of famer before he went down? This secondary is so bad I wouldn’t be surprised of Quinn had moderate to high success against it.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:03 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
if knapp goes does carson stay?
carson has played light years better under knapps offense then he did under hu jack /suanders vertical game
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Haven’t brought this up before, but it’s time. I think Miss Tick is an angry white male, probably middle aged, trying very hard to portray what he thinks would be an apparantly sincere but ultimately ridiculous angry young black man. Use of the word ‘cats’ while using a hiphop name? Totally untenable arguements about the respective merits of black and white QB’s?
It is an obvious attempt to discredit the thinking blackman (sorry TJ) and is really becoming ever more apparant to every intelligent football fan. A white guy discrediting blacks by acting as a less than astute (to put it kindly) commenter on the only position where a racial contraversy could take traction.
No self respecting black man is going to allege ‘tricknology’ and refer to multimillionaires as ’slaves taking table scraps’. The ‘boy’ is a fraud.
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interesting take. i had posted about a month or so ago that i thought he was in fact, mr/sullivan.
sullivan has always had the same M.O.–picking whatever angle he felt would most pizz off the board, and driving it into the ground, never letting up, and never willing to take part in any useful conversation. always positioning himself as an “intelligent” person that happened to have an unpopular but “non-worshiper” opinion.
it used to be anti-al davis, knowing full well that most raiders fans adored him, and yes, they were becoming frustrated by moves he had made over the past several years.
this year, it’s palmer, easily recognized by any football as our best player. and he champions a guy that has showed flashes but in no way has done anything close to showing he’s good enough to play, let alone start over palmer.
so, he repeats the same inane argument several times a day and gets off on getting people pizzed off.
it’s a sick way to spend ur life. i’ve always thought sullivan was a prototypical “shut-in nerd”. quite smart and creative, but with some serious mental issues. a guy probably living at home with his parents, and the only outlet he has is his computer. he once told me the reason he hated al davis was that he had to look out his window and see a billboard advertising the raiders and they were on his tv every week, so he was offended.
mistic has used some familiar words, namely “worshiper”, which was sullivan’s mantra about davis. when hue was doing well in the first half os the season, he came on here constantly saying he heard hue was under fire, getting people upset. and sullivan has always accused others of being crossposters. in fact, he would “jokingly” talk about their method of signing out and quickly signing in as another handle. but we all know that he was very adept at this.
mistic was accusing others of this a couple weeks ago. in fact, beech accuses people of this all the time.
both sullivan and beech have been mostly silent since mistic has been posting so much. ever notice that?
think of the most ridiculous and annoying posters on this board. sullivan, mistic, beech, fangs. they are indeed likely to be all “personalities” of the same guy. beech even referred to himself as such.
poor guy.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:03 am
To those naively pointing to how Reece and Stewart were better than DMac, but not world beaters, as evidence that the ZBS isn’t working here, you missed my point. I didn’t say that those guys were the future. Those guys are a slow (by RB standards) FB and an undrafted nobody. Yet they were able to outperform a first round, supposedly best in the NFL RB.
Now imagine if the team finds someone like Tate, a 2nd rounder that is looking great as Foster’s backup in this system. Or they do something like Seattle did and pull a failing star off the scrap heap as they did with Lynch. That cost Seattle a whopping 4th and 5th rounder.
There are many a RB out there, who like DMac struggling in the ZBS, are likewise struggling in non-ZBS systems but could flourish here. So picture a not too expensive FA that can take up maybe $2M of DMac’s $6M salary. A guy like Peyton Hillis comes to mind. He ran well in Clevelands ZBS, not so well in the dysfunction that is KC. I can’t see his price tag too high after this season. Felix Jones has been struggling in Dallas’s power scheme, so maybe he’s better suited to ZBS and is within that price range.
Also, don’t miss my key point about turning that big savings in RB cap space into upgrades at the OL. That coupling is the secret sauce that will make this running game fly.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:05 am
The fact that dmac struggled with knapp in his previous stint lets me know its just knapp. He doesnt put players in the best position to succeed and the offense doesnt do well because the coaching staff is limited and are a 1 trick pony. He basically admitted he only knows how to coach 1 style of football. If a team can only play 1 style theyre going to be easy to stop because they only play 1 way so its easy to gameplan against them. The good teams switch it up and play a little bit of every style, thats why the patriots are so good because they switch it up. They adjust, the raiders coaches dont.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Another thing, if Knapp and company believe in the ZBS, wtf did they implement some power blocking schemes for DMAC?
As a player, I’d be confused learning the ZBS the whole preseason and into the regular season and then Knapp saying,”hey, let’s try to go back to some PB.”
December 14th, 2012 at 12:07 am
about a week ago, a short time after i had ripped sullivan apart, a guy popped up here late at night with a handle i’ve never seen. he knew a lot about my postings and kept telling me how i thought i was smart and it was annoying and he didn’t like how i talked to people. very strange. of course, he’s never been heard from again.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:09 am
dmc will likely be traded for MJD or mendenhall straight up.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:09 am
Reece and Stewart looked good running in the ZBS, as did Goodson whenever he rarely touched the ball.
I understand what Zymurge is getting at.
That’s why I said they should have traded DMAC before the deadline as did many others on here as well.
Still injury prone too.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:11 am
Priesttj12 Says:
Ausberry can be ustilized in ways to exploit what he does well even if it is only 2 routes to take advantage of his size speed ratio. The same is true with TJ he may be limited somewhat in his execution of th eentire playbook but he can run like the wind, toss him the ball and let him run. We were strugglin g to score at all to ignore a talent like his is a serious indictment.
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You’ve got 45 or whatever activated for the game. Stick ‘em out there and make their defense do a double take. Pryor, or Ausberry with Reece or Jones, whatever. It’s not what they practised for and Palmer is smart enough to find the guy left open because of it. Or, Aus,Reece, Jones, whoever is open and they get the ball. (not to sure about Jones’s hands). With Pryor out there, if they respect the pass, they’re doubly screwed.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:11 am
dr_robert Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 12:07 am
about a week ago, a short time after i had ripped sullivan apart, a guy popped up here late at night with a handle i’ve never seen. he knew a lot about my postings and kept telling me how i thought i was smart and it was annoying and he didn’t like how i talked to people. very strange. of course, he’s never been heard from again.
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yeah that was me and i’m not him. i work nights and only jump on here when i have the time.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:13 am
If this Knappy crap don’t pay off, this might set us back as much as the JRuss fiasco.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:16 am
The point is why change your run game when it isnt broken? Your talking about switching from a system that had your star rb running like an mvp player to a system that fits your back up and has him looking like a ok back… The system we had before produced better results and was more dynamic. Its stupid to install a system thats better suited for your back up rather than your star player. But then again knapp is a genius right? Theres no excuse for the drop off in the offenses production and im not just talking about Dmac because everyone looks lesser than they did last year under knapp.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:16 am
Priesttj12 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
DMC was way too quick to the hole at the beginning because he was soo used to attacking hole from last year. On many occasions even when he came back hewould press the hole and then it would open up after he had already committed himself. The ZBS system ask teh back to trust it allowthe defense to declare and then attack which for him goes against his nature he is by nature a speed back who wants to blow by everyone it takes a while to gear down and be that patient. It just does…
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I watched DMac’s game back against Denver on the DVR with my 11 year old son, who is very interested in the Xs and Os of football. So we paused each play and broke down the blocking, the cuts, etc. Damned if there wasn’t a better option on almost every DMac run! If he’s “getting it” I’m not seeing it.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:17 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 12:13 am
If this Knappy crap don’t pay off, this might set us back as much as the JRuss fiasco.
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Apparently that’s called coming full circle? Howdy Mr. P!!
December 14th, 2012 at 12:19 am
i am leaning toward thinking this staff sucks.
knapp says a lot contradictory stuff. it’s clear he’s trying to save his azz. as has been pointed out, he said the 2nd year is when his system takes off, but it’s untrue.
also, he says how long it takes for a system to be implemented, but then later says (truthfully) that there isn’t that big of a difference in schemes. it’s football, people.
he talks about how the texans were in their fifth season and they were last in rushing but then came foster. fifth season! so it wasn’t scheme, was it? it was a good back, who ran well.
this dude is talking out of both sides of his neck.
dmc is not the same, let’s face it. and ausberry, jones, and pryor haven’t ever done much, so possibly they’re just not very good, regardless of “skill sets”.
but knapp’s playcalling is suspect. and his inability to recognize why things are going the way they’re going is ridiculous.
he says we suddenly got better at running. he says it’s cuz the scheme started sinking in. but it also coincided exactly with dmc being out, and then it immediately sucked again when dmc came back. and briseil and carlisle are ZBS guys! it doesn’t explain linemen getting knocked backwards, as those two and wiz have all year.
he says it’s learning the scheme that will help score more points. but any smart observer knows we move the ball but stall, because we can’t run it in, and we have no go-to redzone options in the pass game.
i’m done with knapp. i’ve held out and given him an opportunity to hang himself.
another problem is he thinks only in terms of what he knows and has been taught by others. he’s not a trendsetter. he just believes in what others have come up with. he talks about DA’s training. these guys have shown nothing to me.
and sorry, but tarver’s talking about bringing back as many of these guys as possible is stupid.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:21 am
2-14 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 12:11 am
dr_robert Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 12:07 am
about a week ago, a short time after i had ripped sullivan apart, a guy popped up here late at night with a handle i’ve never seen. he knew a lot about my postings and kept telling me how i thought i was smart and it was annoying and he didn’t like how i talked to people. very strange. of course, he’s never been heard from again.
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yeah that was me and i’m not him. i work nights and only jump on here when i have the time.
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no, it wasn’t u. it was someone else. can’t even remember his handle. never seen before or since.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:21 am
I do see occasional flashes that could suggest a freaking dynamic offense. It’s not all boring dink and dunk. They want the big play and it just isn’t coming. And on a lot of plays, it is one stupid miscue and always a different one. Like Brisiel stepping on Palmers foot on 4th and one with Reece open for at least 15 yards. OK, Brisiel has a lot of miscues. You know what I’m talking about.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:22 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 12:16 am
The point is why change your run game when it isnt broken? Your talking about switching from a system that had your star rb running like an mvp player to a system that fits your back up and has him looking like a ok back… The system we had before produced better results and was more dynamic. Its stupid to install a system thats better suited for your back up rather than your star player. But then again knapp is a genius right? Theres no excuse for the drop off in the offenses production and im not just talking about Dmac because everyone looks lesser than they did last year under knapp.
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My belief is that the entire staff, from Reggie on down, is on a multi-year plan. They were absolutely prepared to throwaway this season to build for the long haul. We’ve seen it with the cap work, we’ve seen it with breaking in rookie coaches, and we’ve seen it with the commentary from the coaches now.
Running with that, I think that Reggie looked at the big picture on cap management and didn’t see enough money for DMac in the cards to resign past 2013. For all I know, his plan was to cut him after this season either way when the bonus acceleration is only $2M and not the $4M it’d cost this year. He then looked at what systems work well for the least money, and that’s where the ZBS kicks in. It uses OL that are in less demand because they aren’t as big or dominant, hence they are cheaper. It makes super stars out of nobody RBs that once again are cheaper.
If I’m working on a 3 or more year plan and thinking what systems do I want to put in that will give me the best bang for the buck on talent, then the ZBS is a great match. If the cost of that transition is to waste a year of Darren McFadden’s 10 game a season career, so be it.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:22 am
yeah that was me and i’m not him. =================
I’m gonna steal that line.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:24 am
What’s up, Miami
December 14th, 2012 at 12:27 am
2-14 Says
yeah that was me and i’m not him.
dr_robert Says:
no, it wasn’t u. it was someone else.====================
No offense, guys, but you gotta luv it!
December 14th, 2012 at 12:28 am
December 14th, 2012 at 12:29 am
I wouldnt trade dmac, hes only 25 and none of his injuries have been career threatning. Peterson dropped to #7 in the draft because he was “injury prone” when he should have went top 3…got to the league and the injuries werent that big of a deal. Injuries happen, but in the right system Dmacs to much of a beast to just toss aside because you never know when he just may beat the injury bug. Ppl were thinking of trading stephen curry off the warriors this year because of his ankle history but the warriors kept the faith and stuck with him and now theyre 1 of the top teams inn the league and hes playing at an allstar level… Im keepin dmac
December 14th, 2012 at 12:31 am
Bibby,
I understand but he’s missed more than a year worth of games now?? Maybe more?
December 14th, 2012 at 12:34 am
If thats the case then thats too bad, you cant win a championship on a budget. Cant complain about talent when you dont want to pay talent. But I dont think it was that because if reggie truly expected this type season and the team to perform this poorly he wouldnt be in the press box looking so sour on sundays.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:35 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 12:27 am
2-14 Says
yeah that was me and i’m not him.
dr_robert Says:
no, it wasn’t u. it was someone else.====================
No offense, guys, but you gotta luv it!
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it wasn’t him and it wasn’t u. but it was me talking about someone else. and that person is neither u, nor him, nor me, m=nor anyone else i’ve seen.
clear?
December 14th, 2012 at 12:35 am
Jackie Bibby, are you that Rattlesnake hunter from Texas?
December 14th, 2012 at 12:36 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 12:27 am
2-14 Says
yeah that was me and i’m not him.
dr_robert Says:
no, it wasn’t u. it was someone else.====================
No offense, guys, but you gotta luv it!
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I was staring at that before I started cracking up. Might use that one on the girl I’m dating, if it ever comes to that. Lol
G’nite gentlemen! Take it easy Mr. P!
December 14th, 2012 at 12:37 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 12:34 am
If thats the case then thats too bad, you cant win a championship on a budget. Cant complain about talent when you dont want to pay talent. But I dont think it was that because if reggie truly expected this type season and the team to perform this poorly he wouldnt be in the press box looking so sour on sundays.
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maybe that’s just the way he looks. don’t be mean.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:40 am
And so did steph, like I said accidents happen. You know dmac he went all through college without being injured? I mean injuries are things you cant control and they happen to everybody so how can you knock him. Also its his contract year next year so in my mind hes bound for a big year. thats just my opinion tho, the team is going to do what theyre going to do. I just dont believe in holding it against guys when they get hurt especially when theyre good players character wise and they give their all when they do play.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:43 am
@ kell naw im just a fan of the show. Lol
December 14th, 2012 at 12:43 am
Not only has DA/Krapp attack destroyed our offense, our momentum and put our team back on the laugh track, now we’re going to trade our best player, DMAC to appease them? For another winner like Brisiel?
These coaches are great – yeah the ‘reason’ for their failures is the players don’t fit the system, so lets get rid of the players! I guess 2010/2011 don’t count but 2012 does? Fck it, lets just give away our best players DMAC, Palmer and bring in some more winners like Brisiel and Goodson (he sucks, btw. I would take Bush anyday). Oh and the fact that Reece and Stewart got a few yards in a couple games we were getting blown out in – suddenly the system is validated and DMC sucks lets trade him. Forget that he is an elite player and *was* the face of the franchise and key to our offense when he’s healthy. But yeah, lets all take the side of DA/Krapp and their ’system’, they know better.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:44 am
Me too. Lol
December 14th, 2012 at 12:46 am
You hear he got bit again and they had to amputate his leg? @kell
December 14th, 2012 at 12:46 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 12:19 am
i am leaning toward thinking this staff sucks.
knapp says a lot contradictory stuff. it’s clear he’s trying to save his azz. as has been pointed out, he said the 2nd year is when his system takes off, but it’s untrue.
also, he says how long it takes for a system to be implemented, but then later says (truthfully) that there isn’t that big of a difference in schemes. it’s football, people.
he talks about how the texans were in their fifth season and they were last in rushing but then came foster. fifth season! so it wasn’t scheme, was it? it was a good back, who ran well.
this dude is talking out of both sides of his neck.
dmc is not the same, let’s face it. and ausberry, jones, and pryor haven’t ever done much, so possibly they’re just not very good, regardless of “skill sets”.
but knapp’s playcalling is suspect. and his inability to recognize why things are going the way they’re going is ridiculous.
he says we suddenly got better at running. he says it’s cuz the scheme started sinking in. but it also coincided exactly with dmc being out, and then it immediately sucked again when dmc came back. and briseil and carlisle are ZBS guys! it doesn’t explain linemen getting knocked backwards, as those two and wiz have all year.
he says it’s learning the scheme that will help score more points. but any smart observer knows we move the ball but stall, because we can’t run it in, and we have no go-to redzone options in the pass game.
i’m done with knapp. i’ve held out and given him an opportunity to hang himself.
another problem is he thinks only in terms of what he knows and has been taught by others. he’s not a trendsetter. he just believes in what others have come up with. he talks about DA’s training. these guys have shown nothing to me.
and sorry, but tarver’s talking about bringing back as many of these guys as possible is stupid.
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They lose badly to the Chiefs, and I am confident they’re all done. McKenzie will have to “review” the performance and ax them, just to save his job, because Gruden will have a lot more control. Not only do they have to sell tickets, they have L.A. in the future, and Gruden is made for that kind of spotlight. He has ran offenses into the ground, and is taking advantage of a rookie-GM and rookie-head coach. Cam Cameron got canned so why wouldnt Knapp? This was WITH McFadden healthy most of the season – his average per carry dropped.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:48 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 12:46 am
You hear he got bit again and they had to amputate his leg? @kell
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No. Damn.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Post 515 yea he was the face of the franchise until These.clowns showed up. Espn and nfl network would announce “Dmac and the raiders” vs. blah blah blah and now hes a non factor. Smh
December 14th, 2012 at 12:53 am
I saw him when he was bit on the arm, and he got over it…………….man I hate to see him lose his leg.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:56 am
512 if thats just how he looks then damn… His wife is a sweetheart… Lol
December 14th, 2012 at 1:54 am
Spot on comments below….
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John David Booty Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
“Every place I’ve been to, it’s usually going to take at least a year’s transition time to get everything taught … ,” Knapp said.
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But Greg, youve never been responsible for an improving unit. Your first season in SF, 2001, they finished 3rd in scoring. 2002, 9th. 2003, 13th. Regression each year. You were let go by SF.
You went over to ATL in 05. They finished 14th in scoring your first season, 16th your second. More regression. You were let go by ATL.
You came here in 07, and we ended up 23rd. 2008, we end up 29th, AND you had play calling stripped from you MID-SEASON. We actually IMPROVED when Cable started calling plays. Yikes. Once again, regression. You were not retained.
Went to Seattle in 09, where they let you go after one season where you got them to 25th in scoring. They let you go, hire Tom Cable as assistant head coach, where he implements the ZBS in HIS vision, and BOOM, Seattle is now one of the top rushing teams in the league.
Which brings you back to the Oakland Raiders in 2012. In your first season back, you have us ranked 25th in scoring. Last season, we were 16th, and lost our owner, starting QB, and starting RB mid-season.
I dont even need to throw any negative comments at Greg Knapp about his abilities. At this point, Im just starting to feel sorry for him. He’s just never been any good, and its written history.
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backstageatapuppetshow Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
“It’s the business. It’s the National Football League. We’ve got to produce. When we don’t produce, then changes have to be made. I think we all understand that. The players understand that. It’s not a personal deal, it’s just we’ve got to produce and so when we’re not producing, we have to make some changes and do some things differently.” -Coach Allen-
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So?
Which is it? Do we need to do make some changes and do some things differently or do we need more time to do them the same way?
Sell crazy someplace else Coach!
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VanHeathen30 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
WTF are these TWO talking about?
Sounds like they are trying to save there jobs after a Horrible performance this year.
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That’s exactly it. They’re trying to BS Mark/Reggie into keeping them on. It’s the same thing Hue was lambasted for last season jockeying himself as a GM hirer, and the same thing Tom Cable got canned for the season before with his “we’re not losers anymore.”
Imo, expect all of the main coaches to get canned, minimum the three co-ordinators.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:22 am
Bob Marley Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Good Lord…..that was just pathetic.
Any GM and/or Head Coach willing to put a great chunk of his future in the hands of Greg Knapp deserves to have his judgement seriously questioned, at the very least.
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December 14th, 2012 at 2:25 am
CDERaider Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
So, according to ‘Dirt Knapp’ and ‘Kiddie Tarver’ – what we need is the *same coaches*, *same systems*, *same players* for another year of this torture?? — but, wait for it… next year is going to be better: quote – ‘big time’!
After showing absolutely *no improvement* this year – over how many months? This is the worse Raider team in *history*! Why doesn’t the local media absolutely *stomp* these guys? Bring them *all* back??? Are you Fing kidding me? And they though Huejack was crazy. Local media bashed him repeatedly for his pressers after finishing 8-8 – and they give this 3-10 staff a pass even after these ridiculous comments!! Come on guys..
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December 14th, 2012 at 2:31 am
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
No Need for Ausberry???
Dude is a BEAST with some speed that can catch…
Sure don’t need anyone like that on this roster, just packed with recieving options that either can’t get open, or can’t catch…
WOW, this is getting worse by the day…
MUMBLES has to go and take these CLOWNS with him back to the Circus…
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VanHeathen30 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Reggie should have NEVER fired Hue without a contingincy plan in place…unless he was throwing this season away (which he was), but he could still have had a list of candidates ready (which he didn’t) and to me, that is where this mess began.
Reggie knew he was the Top Candidate for this gig, yet he did NOTHING to prepare himself for the tasks at hand, until he got into Harbor Parkway…
Then he order office furniture and got his Brother a job, then he looked for a HC>
Pretty weak start Reginald…
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December 14th, 2012 at 2:32 am
CDERaider Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
According to these clowns I guess records don’t matter. If they had any class, they would apologize to the fans for this disaster and just resign. Trying to sell us the snake oil that this was ‘all planned’ and ‘be patient’ and ’staying the course’ – makes me want to vomit. Seriously, who has a worse staff in the NFL than we do right now?
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December 14th, 2012 at 2:33 am
rudegruden Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
I read this article again to make sure what I read was correct.
Are these guys for real? This could be the most discouraging article I have ever read. At no point are they addressing the issue. Its really just disgusting.
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December 14th, 2012 at 2:37 am
504 Raider Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Reggie is in charge of Football decisions. There is no way he brings in anyone smarter than he is. With this being his first and maybe last opportunity to be put in this position of GM.
It’s either inside his red fro or his gut, but that Ego of his won’t let him bring in a bigtime Coach or assistants. He’s probably gonna try to make it work with DA, Knapp and Tarver so he can look like a genius if we start winning.
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I wasn’t and aren’t a Reggie fan, but I was willing to give him 3-5 years, as a GM should. However, if Allen/Knapp/Tarver all return, or, if Reggie even tries to lobby for them to stay but it takes Mark to fire them….then Reggie is clearly not the man to lead this football department.
Hire Gruden and re-do it all again.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:42 am
Sign Reggie Smith!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 2:44 am
CDERaider Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Knapp says he’s ‘proud’ the passing offense is ‘top 10′. That stat is so skewed its ridiculous – the passing game only does anything when they are down 2-3 scores late in the game and the D is playing prevent. When’s the last time this offense even had a lead??? Knapp is pathetic. Changing the scheme because he wanted to? Bringing in Brisiel from Houston? Destroying the running game, turning Palmer into a dink and dunker. Not playing Reece until what, week 9? Leaving Ausberry on the bench? What a joke…
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December 14th, 2012 at 3:03 am
nwr8r Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
From csnba,
“But I think there’s still going to have to be pieces added,” Knapp said. “It’s always an evolving process. I was at Houston, right, the last two years, so my first year in Houston we finished, I believe it was 6-10. That was the fifth year in the system. They had just finished, I think, 30th or 32nd in running. Then, all of a sudden, a guy named Arian Foster showed up, undrafted.”
6-10 after 5 years in the system? This guys got very low and delusional standards.
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What’s worse, and an indictment on Allen and Reggie, is that they’ve probably heard Knapp say all this kind of crap day-in and day-out for the last 8 months and they never once facepalmed and just fired him on the spot, but instead talked him up and showing support in him.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:17 am
[...] us from the inside out. I take a more in depth look at the positional needs more… Coordinators Knapp, Tarver expect leap in production next season – ibabuzz.com 12/13/2012 The burning question on the minds of many is, why take a Raiders [...]
December 14th, 2012 at 3:26 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Priest is right abot the gameplanning errors and the miss use of the talent we do have…
Reece was an afterthought until he was needed and he produced. Taiwan Jones offers to switch positions to get on the field, but they are too busy to be bothered with it…the lack of judgement and prejudice against guys picked by Al seem to be all to real.
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That’s another beef of mine. They cared more about proving Al wrong than winning football games. Streater fumbles the first game yet doesn’t get in the doghouse like Taiwann did. C’mon!
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December 14th, 2012 at 3:31 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Call me crazy but I still believe gruden will be our hc next year. After this season and the level of anger Mark has displayed after every loss I think he brings in chucky. I really do. He most surely cant sit back and allow this mess continue for another year.
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agree.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:33 am
CDERaider Says:
December 13th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Local press suggesting DA needs to win this game to keep his job – as if beating a 2-11 team in a meaningless home game makes up for his complete and absolute failure.
And he’ll probably get out coached and lose anyway…
What does he care, he’s getting paid 4 years of NFL head coaching salary (at least $2 million a year, prob more) regardless of how bad he sucks ass. Knapp prob has a 4 yr deal for $1 mill per too. That explains the comfortable smirks on their faces.
They gettin PAID.
The fans gettin PLAYED
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Lol, McClain didn’t say “I have 4 million reasons not to care” in fact he said, “YOU have 4 million reasons not to care”
December 14th, 2012 at 4:10 am
Bleacherreport said…
On Knapp’s insistence on using a scheme that doesn’t fit his players. Knapp said, “It’s not that big of a change when it comes to football 101, as far as the different types of route concepts, and the running game. It just takes some time to be more efficient.”
So the scheme isn’t that different? Again, fast-forward to when he’s talking about his confidence in the offensive scheme, “You’d much rather have a coach come in and teach what he knows best, than have him teach a system that he doesn’t know at all. That’s going to take some time.”
So his system is not that different, but he doesn’t know the other schemes at all? You can’t make this stuff up.
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December 14th, 2012 at 4:31 am
I think we need to send a Terminator back in time to eliminate Knapps parents. Seems to be the only way he’ll be stopped.
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Had to repost that… some funny shiz-nit!! Thanks Judge…
F-Knapp, F-Tarver, F-Allen!!! Get us some REAL coaches, Reg…. WTF??
December 14th, 2012 at 4:34 am
I hope Pryor comes in and blows everybody away with his play… (Although most in here dont think he has the ability)
Then we can deal CP to AZ of NYJ, get our 2nd rounder back and save mucho million ($13M?) on next year’s cap..
December 14th, 2012 at 4:37 am
Raider-In-PA Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:34 am
I hope Pryor comes in and blows everybody away with his play… (Although most in here dont think he has the ability)
Then we can deal CP to AZ of NYJ, get our 2nd rounder back and save mucho million ($13M?) on next year’s cap..
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this could be the plan even if pryor isn’t the answer.
trading down into the middle of the first round, picking up some picks, and picking our new qb seems reasonable and a great idea, id pryor turns out to be a wr playing qb.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:16 am
Dr Robert, I’m a Beatles fan… Is that where your screen name comes from?
Take a drink from his ’special cup’…
December 14th, 2012 at 5:53 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
So a plan could present itself for Pryor to play…I guess we won’t see Pryor this weekend! I will be surprised!
December 14th, 2012 at 6:26 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Getting past DA, Knapp and Tarver, let’s look at Reggie.
To me, his biggest mistake was not having a clear goal for this season, some of his moves indicate he felt this team was in position to compete for the playoffs while others seemed designed to clean house and start over…you can’t do both.
1) We spent some decent money.
Bartell, Spencer and Joselio costed nearly 5 million combined.
DVD and Chekwa playing on rookie deals would have amounted to what? 1.5 million at the most?.
Can’t tell me our pass defense would be worst than it has been had we played those two kids and given them a chance to develop instead of spending money on those older vets.
Tollefson and Andre Carter are costing us about 2 million combined, they’re not doing much.
I think, we could have brought back Trevor Scott as our pass-rushing specialist for a lot less since he was coming of an injury, instead the Pats picked him up for cheap and he’s started the last 2 games for them and played good ball.
We let Satele go and gave more money to Mike Brisiel which led to the reshuffling of the interior OL with horrible results.
Barnes was brought back for 2 million.
Isn’t one of the advantages of the ZBS that you can find cheap players for it? most ZBS teams have undrafted or low draft picks starting and producing for them but we could not find a better and cheaper player to start at RT for us?.
We gave Aaron Curry a 1.8 million signing bonus and 600 K to keep him in 2012 and he gave us nothing, again…money gone to waste.
Those are some personnel decisions that turned out badly for us, we didn’t have much money but there was some and we did not spend it well.
I don’t have the exact figures so what I mentioned above comes from memory exccept for Curry, I looked that up.
2) What was the message to the players for this season?.
You have an All-Pro Punter, a team leader and a good soldier in Shane Lechler, yet you use a practice squad spot on Marquette King, no other team uses a spot there on an backp Punter, the message is that we’re ready to move on and Lechler said it bothered him at first.
I would understand it if we had gone full-rebuild and cost cutting this year, but we were clearly trying to make a playoff run as some of the moves mentioned above show.
So players know they are going to be replaced, they checked out weeks ago, they know they’ll be looking for a job next season so why risk an injury? they havn’t quit but they are looking out for themselves more than for the team and it’s bee like that for a while now.
Which brings me back to the same question.
What the hell were we trying to do this year?.
We could have tried to save as much money as possible by not signing all those veterans and going with undrafted players and younger guys looking to find a place in the league, that would have allowed us to drop another bad contract or two Seymour or Huff come to mind.
But we didn’t go that way, we tried to make a playoff run by plugging aging vets, forcing an offensive system that doesn’t suit our players and under Coaching staff either not ready (Allen-Tarver) or simply incompetent (Knapp).
2012 was a wasted season, but trust me it was not by design, we blew it.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Pryor will play Sunday, I hope we get out to an early lead and he can actually play the whole second half.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:41 am
In Knapp’s second season as offensive coordinator in three previous stops, his team’s scoring dropped by an average of 1.1 points per game and an average of 4.5 yards per game in Year 2.
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Well that’s promising.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:41 am
post 544, you are 100% correct. Reggie had a bad year plain and simple. It started with him not cutting Seymour and ends for now with him cutting bartell who he brought in to be our number 1 CB. 90% of his moves didnt work out which is troubling. He loyalists give him a pass for 2012, but no one can deny there are no excuses for 2013
December 14th, 2012 at 6:42 am
McClain said, “Coach covered everything you could ask me. I ain’t got nothing to say about anything,” when asked if he wanted to speak with the media.
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Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out!
December 14th, 2012 at 6:42 am
That being said, I’m giving Reggie a mulligan on 2012, he’s going to be back as he should and I will be rooting hard for him, I trust we start moving forward in 2013.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:42 am
SOME OF THE,SHALL WE SAY,”STUFF” U READ ON THE FORUM IS AMAZING.NOT SURE IF I SHOULD LAUGH OR CRY..
December 14th, 2012 at 6:45 am
What was the message to the players for this season?.
You have an All-Pro Punter, a team leader and a good soldier in Shane Lechler, yet you use a practice squad spot on Marquette King, no other team uses a spot there on an backp Punter, the message is that we’re ready to move on and Lechler said it bothered him at first.
I would understand it if we had gone full-rebuild and cost cutting this year, but we were clearly trying to make a playoff run as some of the moves mentioned above show.
So players know they are going to be replaced, they checked out weeks ago, they know they’ll be looking for a job next season so why risk an injury? they havn’t quit but they are looking out for themselves more than for the team and it’s bee like that for a while now.
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I disagree with this. Lechler’s contract is up at the end of the year, by putting King on IR Reggie gave himself a contingency plan in case he isn’t able to get Shane resigned to a reasonable deal (Al paid Shane twice as much as he was worth). I don’t think the plan is to let Shane walk for all the reasons you said, he is an all pro, a leader, good soldier.
Also, I don’t believe players that know they are gone have packed it in. Unless they plan to retire, these games are essentially job interviews for their next stop. You are doing yourself a disservice if you quit early. I still haven’t seen evidence of players quitting (with some notable exceptions like McClain). They may not be very talented, but they are playing hard.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:49 am
POST-551,I AGREE.I SAID BASICLY THE SAME THING AS THE 2ND PARAGRAPH IN RESPONSE TO ANOTHER POST A DAY OR 2 BACK..
December 14th, 2012 at 6:53 am
i wish we had competition at every position, however, i’ll settle for 1 good player at each position right now
December 14th, 2012 at 6:55 am
Bcz24.
Man if we can’t even find even a decent Punter next year we are seriosuly screwed.
Like I said, the message was loud and clear which is fine when you are starting over but that was not the case in 2012, when players look at the one guy who’s arguably the best in the League and see his replacement on the roster it’s obvious the new guys in charge want their own people here.
And I also said players have not quit, but they are looking out more for themselves than for the team, this does not mean they are not playing hard, it means some of them maybe trying to look good on an individual basis instead of focusing on team play and more than likely won’t give that extra 10% motivated players who believe in what they are doing will give you.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:01 am
Obviously the Lechler-King situation is not to blame for this season’s failures, it’s just a small aspect of a mismanaged first year for the new guys.
Lechler said it himself, at first it bothered him, then he just went “whatever”, I think a lot of guys think the same thing.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:02 am
That is the problem with the NFL today! No loyalty! Players always look out for themselves now instead of the team! As much as I hate teh Pats, you gotta love how Bruschi, and others, and I even think Brady did what they needed to do to remain a Patriot! You don’t see that ever these days!
December 14th, 2012 at 7:02 am
BOB,BUT WOULDNT GIVING THAT EXTRA 10% MAKE U LOOK EVEN BETTER ON THE FA MARKET ?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:03 am
how many full training camps did Seymour attend since he’s been a Raider. Any? He’s probably participated in less than 50% of the practices as well during his Raider career. Smacking Big Ben in the mouth, blocking a few FGs doesnt qualify as getting the label of leader IMO. Quite frankly,he ’s also been inconsistent with his play. I’m not saying Seymour isnt talented, but I dont consider him a leader at all.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:04 am
True Dirt Lot, but these days, a lot of it is reputation that brings the player in…look at Randy Moss! Based on what we know, how the heck is he still in the NFL?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Also of note is the coaching staff’s attitude toward the players, all we heard during the first half of the season was “we didn’t execute” that’s a nice way to say it’s the players fault, that’s fine when you are a proven winner and you have the credibility to call people out, not the case here.
Back in week 1, the Long-Snapper disaster, Allen comes out to save face and says Goethel had gotten practice reps at it and Lechler says no, he didn’t and praises Goether for even having the guts to volunteer for the job while totally unprepared…accountability starts with the guy in charge.
I don’t blame it on DA, it turns out NFL teams rarely prepare for such a situation, but to come out and flat out lie about it so it doesn’t look like it was your fault was a coward move, players noticed.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:12 am
#558 I agree NYCraider, Seymour is definitely on the downswing of his career and is playing for checks at this point. If you remember, when NE told him that he was going to Oakland, he was MIA for a while… He didnt want to come here… Then it seemed he ‘warmed up’ to the idea… Since the onset, I knew we wouldnt get much outta big Rich…
The smack on Worthless-booger was worth his salary for that entire season though!!…
December 14th, 2012 at 7:14 am
Seymour is one of last deals still on this team where the value (productivity relative to salary) is as bad as it can get.Simply awful deal spawned by horrible drafting and resulting desperation after the Saints dropped 35 on us in a half of preseason ball.
Kelly is the other one.
In the last ten years of his life Mr Davis was taken advantage of smooth talking players and agents looking for easy money.
The list is staggering; Sapp, Moss,Warren, Walker(at least he tried to retire before Mr Davis talked him out of it), Wilson, Sands, Kelly and on and on.
There was a time when the Raiders could take A CHANCE ON ONE PROJECT because we had a solid foundation in place. Mr Davis simply lost touch with HOW BAD THIS TEAM REALLY WAS. HE WOULD NOT HOLD HIS SCOUTING STAFF OR HIMSELF ACCOUNTABLE. JUST KEPT FIRING COACHES.SAD AND WE WILL PAY THE PRICE FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS WHILE WWE DIG OUT OF THE MESS.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:17 am
RAIDER IN PA
Good Morning
Seymour warmed up to the idea because Mr Davis was embarrassed by the fact that he would still lose the pick if Seymour did not report. Very BAD deal!!!!
As a result, Davis had to offer ridiculous money and “special” terms such as time off during the week etc.
P.S. I am also from PA
December 14th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Quite frankly,he ’s also been inconsistent with his play. I’m not saying Seymour isnt talented, but I dont consider him a leader at all.
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I don’t disagree that his production has been inconsistant, he is on the downswing of his career. BUT our dline plays better when he is in there. He still gets the respect from the players in the locker room. He is a leader for the defense. I’m not going to change your opinion, nor do I care to, just sharing mine.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Knapp is so full of it. He is a failure, has always been a failure and will be a failure in the future. MD and RM have to be village idiots if they believe the stench that is Knapps B.S.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Charlie:
Your posts are definitely the most insightful of any on here, always good reads…
Didnt realize you were from PA, you must LOATHE the SteAlers as much as I do!!
December 14th, 2012 at 7:35 am
“In Knapp’s second season as offensive coordinator in three previous stops, his team’s scoring dropped by an average of 1.1 points per game and an average of 4.5 yards per game in Year 2.”
Translation: Knapp is full of sh:t.
These azzh0le coaches will be here next year and now they’re saying they want to keep most of the same players from defense?!
Let me tell you who’s position needs upgrading:
Mclazy
Huff & other turnstile corner position
Gio
Branch
Shaugnessy
Seymour
Kelly
and move Houston inside and upgrade his LDE position.
That’s 8 spots out of 11. But I guess if we just bring the same guys back, they’ll be m,uch improved because they wont have to learn a new system… get the fack outta here with that crap!
December 14th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Krikey M8!!
This coaching staff is all over the freaking map with their message!!
This is supposed to be the most untalented group of players ever to assemble as an NFL team.
This according to every pundit with a key board, the Raids own coaching staff, and some of the dopey-est posters to grace this blog.
AND, here you have the geniuses that are Knapp and Tarver crying about how hard the scheme is to learn, and there for you want to keep the “bulk” of the roster in place for next year.
These clowns are setting the fan base up for another tuuuuurible year, with excuses already built in.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Years ago, AD would pick up an DL like Bob Golic or Lyle Alzado and it would work so I understand why AD wanted Seymour. What he failed to take into account was back then, the Raiders had Townsend, Long and more.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Who the hell was the reporter that let Knapp spout this ass backwards reversal of a message anyway.
Crappiest Raids reporting for years.
Wheres Cork to get all fired up and in the face of the HC, like he used to pull on Hue. Freaking boot licker.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:44 am
BTW, ALL Raider brethren should check out ‘A Football Life’ this coming Wednesday. It covers the ‘Immaculate DE-ception’!! Anxious to hear the old players’ take on what happened. We know what ol Franco will say, it was a legal play.
Cousin Dan (Conners #55) told me heres how it went down: The refs felt the ball hit the ground and the play was essentially over. They made a call to assess how much security was on hand for crowd control. Realizing security was lightly staffed, the refs called it a touchdown to avoid a mass riot…
Oakland gets screwed with their pants on… Thus the beginning of the ‘conspiracy theory’ of refs against the Silver & Black….
December 14th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Here’s a Breakdown of what Knapp is really saying:
“I don’t know why they decided to destruct an upcoming offense, doesn’t make much sense But I am not imaginative enough to adapt or teach anything other than what i barely know. What i do know is i’d like to have a Job for at least one more year, unless there is major roster turnover. Which in that case i will need at least one more 20 game preseason to teach the new comers”
December 14th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Knapp talking ’bout next year?
I hope the world does end next Friday.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:50 am
F.K.L. – F..k Knapps Life
December 14th, 2012 at 8:01 am
neilb Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Knapp talking ’bout next year?
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Knapp HAS to talk about the future. It’s the only time frame where bad things haven’t happened yet.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Duh because i dont know as much as hue DUUUUUHHH
December 14th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Now we have to keep all the coaches and the bulk of the players or will get a whole new round of excuses why we look bad next year too
December 14th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Already making excuses for next yr.. what a bunch of àssholes
December 14th, 2012 at 8:07 am
577.Marks hair Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Now we have to keep all the coaches and the bulk of the players or will get a whole new round of excuses why we look bad next year too
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Exactly, the Major Roster turnover that is expected will mean Knapp and Co. will need another year to teach what can’t be taught in OTA’s, Training camp and Preseason.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Tarvar I am fine with having another year. The defense wasn’t much better last year and we all knew it wouldn’t be any good anyway.
Knapp on the other hand took a pretty decent offense, got an upgrade at QB (CP with an entire camp to learn the playbook) and destroyed it with insipidness and unimaginative playcalling. McF is not the same, and the line isn’t run blocking as well, but that is not an excuse for this offense.
If he stays I think it will be McK and DA giving the fans the finger.
They would deserve empty stadiums all year.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Some coaches can teach a scheme in training camp…
December 14th, 2012 at 8:10 am
580.Gdog Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Tarvar I am fine with having another year. The defense wasn’t much better last year and we all knew it wouldn’t be any good anyway.
Knapp on the other hand took a pretty decent offense, got an upgrade at QB (CP with an entire camp to learn the playbook) and destroyed it with insipidness and unimaginative playcalling. McF is not the same, and the line isn’t run blocking as well, but that is not an excuse for this offense.
If he stays I think it will be McK and DA giving the fans the finger.
They would deserve empty stadiums all year.
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Being dead last in sacks compared to 7th last year is a form of regression. Even without Wimbley who got most of his sacks in 3 games.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:10 am
581.Marks hair Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Some coaches can teach a scheme in training camp…
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Not these, who need a 20 game preseason and then some
December 14th, 2012 at 8:11 am
remember the days when coordinators weren’t allowed to talk to the media?
These chuckle heads are better off zipping the lip.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Hate these coaches.. hoffman might be the worst of the bunch
December 14th, 2012 at 8:13 am
584.Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:11 am
remember the days when coordinators weren’t allowed to talk to the media?
These chuckle heads are better off zipping the lip.
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Media goes to these fools for the same reason they keep going to Kelly and Huff for qoutes. Their ignorance makes for good headlines. Their cluelessness is more entertaining than Dennis Allens bland cliche’s
December 14th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Being dead last in sacks compared to 7th last year is a form of regression. Even without Wimbley who got most of his sacks in 3 games.
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Fair enough, but I still cut some slack to a rookie coordinator with a secondary that would struggle in the college game. I doubt I would trust the blitz much with Giordano being our safety valve. He shouldn’t even be in the NFL. The only time you see him in a deep passing play is if he is getting flagged for interference.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:15 am
When I was demanding that our assistant coaches all be fired from cannons into the bay I wasn’t being completely serious… But looking back it would have been the best thing for this team.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:18 am
EXLA
Exactly correct. See my post #562.
The Raiders also had leaders/coaches on the field.
A situation like McClain never would have gotten to Madden let alone the media back in the day. Willie Brown, Art and Gene Upshaw would have taken Rolando off to the side for a “conversation”. Problem solved.
PA.
The immaculate reception game started the Steelers to what they are today.
Again, many on this blog do not realize that the Steelers model of acquiring talent and building lines was based on THE RAIDERS.
The Steelers built their Dline to beat the Raiders OLINE. They knew they could not beat Oakland if they could not stop the Raiders offense. Hence, LC Greenwood, Ernie Holmes, Dwight White and Joe Greene.
Build the lines and the wins will follow.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:19 am
587.Gdog Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Being dead last in sacks compared to 7th last year is a form of regression. Even without Wimbley who got most of his sacks in 3 games.
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Fair enough, but I still cut some slack to a rookie coordinator with a secondary that would struggle in the college game. I doubt I would trust the blitz much with Giordano being our safety valve. He shouldn’t even be in the NFL. The only time you see him in a deep passing play is if he is getting flagged for interference.
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J. Marshall made the Blitz work with Matt Gio at Saftey. He knew the best way to keep guys like Matt, Huff and Branch from getting burned in covereage was to send them on a blitz. What i can’t understand from this scheme his how they can’t get the timing right on their blitz. It’s frustrating to see 7 guys run into 5 blockers.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Charlie, where are you in PA?
December 14th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Agreed Charlie!
December 14th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Bob Marley Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Getting past DA, Knapp and Tarver, let’s look at Reggie.
To me, his biggest mistake was not having a clear goal for this season, some of his moves indicate he felt this team was in position to compete for the playoffs while others seemed designed to clean house and start over…you can’t do both.
1) We spent some decent money.
Bartell, Spencer and Joselio costed nearly 5 million combined.
DVD and Chekwa playing on rookie deals would have amounted to what? 1.5 million at the most?.
Can’t tell me our pass defense would be worst than it has been had we played those two kids and given them a chance to develop instead of spending money on those older vets.
Tollefson and Andre Carter are costing us about 2 million combined, they’re not doing much.
I think, we could have brought back Trevor Scott as our pass-rushing specialist for a lot less since he was coming of an injury, instead the Pats picked him up for cheap and he’s started the last 2 games for them and played good ball.
We let Satele go and gave more money to Mike Brisiel which led to the reshuffling of the interior OL with horrible results.
Barnes was brought back for 2 million.
Isn’t one of the advantages of the ZBS that you can find cheap players for it? most ZBS teams have undrafted or low draft picks starting and producing for them but we could not find a better and cheaper player to start at RT for us?.
We gave Aaron Curry a 1.8 million signing bonus and 600 K to keep him in 2012 and he gave us nothing, again…money gone to waste.
Those are some personnel decisions that turned out badly for us, we didn’t have much money but there was some and we did not spend it well.
I don’t have the exact figures so what I mentioned above comes from memory exccept for Curry, I looked that up.
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I don’t know if you can have a clear goal with out knowing what you have here. And 8-8 doesn’t help. Is 8-8 a team on the rise or one that needs a rebuild?
You said three corners Reg signed cost $5mm. Routt cost $10mm. DVD and Chekwa had a handful of NFL games between them. One thing we can all agree on is quality depth. Going into the season with Checkwa and DVD and then one gets hurt? We would be playing with Lechler as our starting corner. As it turned out Huff did it.
Pass rush or lack thereof is what killed this defense. Tollefson came off a solid Super Bowl season. That is a head scratcher why he was not more productive but obviously the NYG figured it out. Trev Scott has never been a dominant rusher.
Satele was not coming back. Players will not say this but they do read what the fans think. And idiot Raider Fan lambasted Satele the entire time he was here. We can go back and look at the comments. Well, he seems to be doing fine. Barnes has played fairly well when he has played. He handled Von Miller for the entire lst half last game. Willie Smith was the problem at RT.
The staff never saw Curry. As an overall 4 who played well last year, you would think he would be worth a look to see what you have.
Bottom line, a staff needs to look at a team while the bullets are flying and see what they have. I have said all season the most disappointing piece to me is McFadden. McFadden has been terrible and the offense has been terrible. All three other backs have been more productive in both the run and passing games. I said for two years McClain has to go. Right there, are two DISASTERS! To have two very high draft choices that are basically unproductive is devastating. And that comes off the heels of an overall number one that is most likely eating a bag of cheetos right now on a couch. This is not an easy fix.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:22 am
What, you don’t like our DB’s blitzing from 20 yards away?
December 14th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Charlie Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:18 am
EXLA
Exactly correct. See my post #562.
The Raiders also had leaders/coaches on the field.
A situation like McClain never would have gotten to Madden let alone the media back in the day. Willie Brown, Art and Gene Upshaw would have taken Rolando off to the side for a “conversation”. Problem solved.
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Not just Team leaders but Coaches themselves. If McClain stepped up to Tom Cable like that, he’d be eating through a straw.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:24 am
594.Marks hair Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:22 am
What, you don’t like our DB’s blitzing from 20 yards away?
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Yeah but only when the situation calls for it, like on 3rd and 4
December 14th, 2012 at 8:26 am
UMMM….NO!
HOPE U R DEAD WRONG.
BLOWOUT OF MASS PROPORTIONS IS THE ONLY VIABLE RX….
SWALLOW AND ‘NJOI!
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“This D does well focusing on a stellar RB, especially without a premier QB to kill them biting on the play fake.
I agree with Cork… we win this game.
Not by much….
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Hope you’re right,”
December 14th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Ive never seen dbs blitz from so far back and from such a late start..
December 14th, 2012 at 8:28 am
I like how Knapp has said his system has been successful, but yet he’s never lasted longer than 3 years with a team. But we need continuty at all costs so let’s roll with him.
BTW, since this year has felt never ending, does that count towards continuity time?
December 14th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Bob Marley Says:
December 14th,
We let Satele go and gave more money to Mike Brisiel which led to the reshuffling of the interior OL with horrible results. 2012 at 6:36 am….
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Exactly my thinking Bob.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:33 am
If there are no major changes to coaching staff and players I will not watch any games next season!! I have two family members who stopped watching the raiders last season they look so much younger and less stressed!!! LOL just saying
December 14th, 2012 at 8:33 am
I wanna see nothing but paper bag heads on sunday..
The aklan raiers…. no o or d…
December 14th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Krapp is historicly worse in yr 2 as his playcalling is even more predictible to his peers.. i am not excited
December 14th, 2012 at 8:36 am
601.I.E.Raider909 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:33 am
If there are no major changes to coaching staff and players I will not watch any games next season!! I have two family members who stopped watching the raiders last season they look so much younger and less stressed!!! LOL just saying
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I didn’t stop watching games (Guess i’m a Masochist), but i stopped letting them ruin my entire week about 4 weeks ago. But i think that had to do with my frustration peaking. Or at least i thought it peaked until Greg Knapp speaks. Just reading his comments make me want to punch him in the face, god help me if i had to hear his voice also.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:36 am
570.Whats a Drexl? Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Who the hell was the reporter that let Knapp spout this ass backwards reversal of a message anyway.
Crappiest Raids reporting for years.
Wheres Cork to get all fired up and in the face of the HC, like he used to pull on Hue. Freaking boot licker.
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I am glad the reporter just let Knapp drone on….maybe this will be a wake up call for Mark Davis to understand that the people he put in place to run the Raiders ACTUALLY believe that the status quo is fine.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:37 am
602.Marks hair Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:33 am
I wanna see nothing but paper bag heads on sunday..
The aklan raiers…. no o or d…
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LMFAO!
December 14th, 2012 at 8:37 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:07 am
577.Marks hair Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Now we have to keep all the coaches and the bulk of the players or will get a whole new round of excuses why we look bad next year too
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Exactly, the Major Roster turnover that is expected will mean Knapp and Co. will need another year to teach what can’t be taught in OTA’s, Training camp and Preseason.
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An interesting if depressing point.
Knapp says we’ll have a “leap in production” next year because the players will be more used to the system and yet from what we hear there will be considerable turnover.
Yet we know that many of these players will probably be gone.
We know McClain won’t be here and neither will Seymour and I hear Kelly won’t be too. As for the secondary, some considerable turnover is needed.
Maybe what Knapp means by a “leap in production” is winning five or six games instead of three or four.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:38 am
602.Marks hair Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:33 am
I wanna see nothing but paper bag heads on sunday..
The aklan raiers…. no o or d…
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No reason to embarass ourselves like Detroit and Cleveland fans used to. Rather just no one show up.
LOL on the aklan Raiers though
December 14th, 2012 at 8:38 am
595.The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Charlie Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:18 am
EXLA
Exactly correct. See my post #562.
The Raiders also had leaders/coaches on the field.
A situation like McClain never would have gotten to Madden let alone the media back in the day. Willie Brown, Art and Gene Upshaw would have taken Rolando off to the side for a “conversation”. Problem solved.
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Not just Team leaders but Coaches themselves. If McClain stepped up to Tom Cable like that, he’d be eating through a straw.
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I doubt it….Cable only picks on women and guys he has 150 lbs on.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:40 am
605.Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:36 am
570.Whats a Drexl? Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Who the hell was the reporter that let Knapp spout this ass backwards reversal of a message anyway.
Crappiest Raids reporting for years.
Wheres Cork to get all fired up and in the face of the HC, like he used to pull on Hue. Freaking boot licker.
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I am glad the reporter just let Knapp drone on….maybe this will be a wake up call for Mark Davis to understand that the people he put in place to run the Raiders ACTUALLY believe that the status quo is fine.
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Mark Davis doesn’t get a wake up call until around 1pm. And that’s only after the Tylenol PM’s wear off from a 3 day coke binge.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Not just Team leaders but Coaches themselves. If McClain stepped up to Tom Cable like that, he’d be eating through a straw.
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I doubt it….Cable only picks on women and guys he has 150 lbs on.
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Well i’m almost Certain RoMac is a B!tch, and he plays like he’s 150lbs.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:42 am
PA
Near Philly. You?
Guys.
Last year we had a team that at years end was way over the cap. In addition, we had no first or second round picks.
Bush, Satele, Wimbley all wanted more than we could remotely afford given our cap circumstance AS WELL AS WHAT WE ANTICIPATED THEIR CONTRIBUITION WOULD BE!!!!!
THAT LAST POINT IS IMPORTANT.
Further, none of those guys leaving represented any cap hit.
If DMAC leaves he would hit our cap and we still had to pay Bush!!!
Reggie got rid of Routt because he was a horrible presence in the locker room as well as a poor producer. We had big cap hits coming with Seymour (NOT REGGIE’S DOING) AND Kelly (NOT REGGIE’S DOING) so he opted for one more year with them since they at least showed up for work (Seymour?).
Guys like Scott, Gundheim etc. were after thoughts that never produced against quality opponents.
As I have said it will take till 2014 to sort this mess out.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Knapp is just a bad play-caller everybody knows what he will call except him self
December 14th, 2012 at 8:48 am
“aklan raiers….no O or D”
That should be tattooed on Knapp and Tarver’s foreheads.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:48 am
613.Moose Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Knapp is just a bad play-caller everybody knows what he will call except him self
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Stretch run left, stretch run right, Out Route short of the sticks, Punt.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:48 am
611.The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Not just Team leaders but Coaches themselves. If McClain stepped up to Tom Cable like that, he’d be eating through a straw.
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I doubt it….Cable only picks on women and guys he has 150 lbs on.
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Well i’m almost Certain RoMac is a B!tch, and he plays like he’s 150lbs.
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Point taken.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Please do not be fooled by coach speak.
Coaches can not say what they think to the media.
As England points out, there will obviuously be significant personnel moves.
Even Tarver slipped two weeks ago and referred to “player acquisition” as being needed for defensive improvement.
Seymour, Kelly, McClain, Shaugnessy, Barnes, Carlisle will not be back.
We will build the lines as much as possible with draft picks and see what we have on our roster or in FA for the secondary etc.
You will be surprised how much better a secondary can look when the opposing QB is looking out of his earhole on throws.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Charlie… Im here in un-happy valley… PSU alumnus, but avid PSU football hater… I like the cheerleaders though….lol
December 14th, 2012 at 8:49 am
J. Marshall made the Blitz work with Matt Gio at Saftey. He knew the best way to keep guys like Matt, Huff and Branch from getting burned in covereage was to send them on a blitz. What i can’t understand from this scheme his how they can’t get the timing right on their blitz. It’s frustrating to see 7 guys run into 5 blockers.
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Gio didn’t play for Marshall, only Bres and Tarver
December 14th, 2012 at 8:50 am
I’d rather have Hue running nothing but Fake Special Team plays then Knapp calling plays next year.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:50 am
I knew we were in trouble the second Knapp was hired…..and then he declared we would use Palmer as a roll out QB…..and we would turn away from our successful power blocking scheme…..the dude as no fkin clue.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:54 am
619.bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:49 am
J. Marshall made the Blitz work with Matt Gio at Saftey. He knew the best way to keep guys like Matt, Huff and Branch from getting burned in covereage was to send them on a blitz. What i can’t understand from this scheme his how they can’t get the timing right on their blitz. It’s frustrating to see 7 guys run into 5 blockers.
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Gio didn’t play for Marshall, only Bres and Tarver
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My Bad
December 14th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Greg Knapp proved without a doubt how bad he truly is with his lie infested presser.
The Bleacher Report article was spot on and Christopher Hanson is one of the few on there i have some journalistic respect for cuz he actually knows something about this team and must watch us very closely.,,unlike alot of others who just regurgitate what they’ve read or heard from other sources.
Notice how Knapp can’t remember what the Texans record was his first yr. “I think it was 6-10″ he says but i bet u he can recall vividly what his offensive ranking was in every category and he’s fully prepared to relate every single minor accomplishment he’s had over the years.
He’s constantly defending with a myriad of excuses every single thing someone might associate with him.
With this latest presser he’s finally been fully exposed for the fraud he is. It would be comical if it weren’t so freaking tragic.
He says he’s pleased with the running game;s production the last 6 weeks, when earlier in his b.s infested diatribe he blamed his top two rb’s for the lack in production…forgetting that it was only when those injured players were out that the running game got better..you know those 6 weeks Knapp is “pleased” with?
The fact that DA is “pleased” with Knapp is an indictment on DA.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:55 am
I got no problem with Knapp trying to keep his job. WHo wouldn’t? It’s on Reggie to see his glaring mistake and correct it.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Actually texts from me to my brother last Thursday -
Him – WTF? We haven’t gotten to a QB all year, but Tarver is blitzing safeties from 20 yards away on 3rd and 10?
Me – LOL, it’s not as bad as Knapp still calling 5 yard crossing routes on 3rd and 10. 13 weeks in he still hasn’t realized that it’s ok to pass the sticks.
Me (about 45 minutes later) Knapp just wanted to double check and make sure that 5 yard crossing route still worked on 3rd and 11… it does.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:57 am
another morning in Reggies bullsheyt raider vision…
December 14th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Marshall was fantastic at getting our Safeties in the proper position to blitz though. We he dialed up a safety blitz it worked. When Bres and Tarver dial it up it also works… for the other team.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:59 am
625.bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Actually texts from me to my brother last Thursday -
Him – WTF? We haven’t gotten to a QB all year, but Tarver is blitzing safeties from 20 yards away on 3rd and 10?
Me – LOL, it’s not as bad as Knapp still calling 5 yard crossing routes on 3rd and 10. 13 weeks in he still hasn’t realized that it’s ok to pass the sticks.
Me (about 45 minutes later) Knapp just wanted to double check and make sure that 5 yard crossing route still worked on 3rd and 11… it does.
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LOL, My friend and I last thrus:
Him on McFadden’s TD: Finally a Screen!!!
Me: Enjoy, That was way too successful to be seen again.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Me (about 45 minutes later): FML
December 14th, 2012 at 9:01 am
The fact that DA is “pleased” with Knapp is an indictment on DA.
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I doubt DA is actually pleased with Knapp. Reggie made it clear he isn’t firing anyone mid-season, so DA has to tow the party line.
If DA says he is happy with Knapp in January, then this is a completely different story.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Marshall was fantastic at getting our Safeties in the proper position to blitz though. We he dialed up a safety blitz it worked. When Bres and Tarver dial it up it also works… for the other team.
its simple, if youre gonna blitz your corners need to be in press man, in zone the qb has a few seconds to pick his shot…he hasto hold on to theball a bit longer with press man
December 14th, 2012 at 9:05 am
The worst thing that came form the Knapp presser is not only do u have to question his honesty and integrity but also his ability….as if the numbers don’t already expose that. He comes off as clueless…because he is.
I question his sanity quite frankly. He sounds like a nutbag to me.
Knapp especially, but the whole org. should be embarrassed by that twisted mess of a presser which has fully exposed Knapp as well as indicted the entire org for putting Knapp in this vital position at an important time in the Raider organization’s history.
Also, this post reads like it was NOT Reggie and DA deciding to go with the ZBS and then looking for the best guy available to run it for them, it was that DA wanted Greg Knapp period…and it just so happens he runs the ZBS.
I get that you want guys you know to be around when undertaking a new venture, but to choose a lying, excuse making, self preserving, disingenuous schlep like Knapp speaks negatively on DA.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
WTF is smoking Green party?!
TGIF!!!!
Can someone please be kind enough to sum up what Dumb and Dumber are talking about in the post? To lazy to read this morning.
Thanx in advanced
December 14th, 2012 at 9:11 am
DMAC its simple… Dick and head are proclaiming their systems take time for players to catch on and we should retain players so theyll have a chance to flourish next year… Basically BS!! Especially since the majority of the defense will (and better) not be around next year..
December 14th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Thanx PA
I kind of figure they would say some BS like that.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Fire, Fire…be back later
December 14th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Lay flat and rolllllll brother
December 14th, 2012 at 9:22 am
10-4 DMAC, time for them to ‘cover their a$$es’ for next year… Just hope DA and Reg see the real truth…
December 14th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Gruden isnt returning,..so the best plan is to stick it out with Allen and Knapp,..let Reggie get rid of about 30 more players,…starting with DMC,..make a deal for Alex Smith,…if no Gruden, cant make any coaching changes. Word.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:23 am
DJ
What do you want him to say? Half of our offense can not compete in the NFL?
The last guy to say that was Callahan.
Not going to happen.
There is not anyone in the NFL that thinks the Raiders have the talent to compete. That is why you will not get veteran coaches to come here.
We have the best you can get. Intelligent, process oriented coaches/teachers that realize this is a massive project.
They have multiyear contracts for a reason. You are not taking 10 years of mismanagement and fixing it in one.
Watch how smart these guys look when we get better players. Trouble is we do not have a full complement of picks till 2014.
Not your comment but I see someone actually defending Marshall form last years meltdown. How memories fade.
The PACKERS, Lions, Dolphins and Chargers shredded our defense last year. Yea it is Ryan’s fault, no Bresnahan, no Marshall no Tarver.
Get a grip. Our players suck. Thank Mr Davis.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:23 am
bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Marshall was fantastic at getting our Safeties in the proper position to blitz though. We he dialed up a safety blitz it worked. When Bres and Tarver dial it up it also works… for the other team.
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True
What is Marshall up do these days?
December 14th, 2012 at 9:26 am
the players do suck… especially the ones reggie brought in…next year he will bring in 30 more slow weak choir boys…
December 14th, 2012 at 9:27 am
How can Allen be pleased? He is in way over his head. Not ready to be a head coach. That’s the bottem line and Exla says so!!!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Players aren’t very good, but the coaching staff is horrible!!!!!!!
I’m tired of the excuses!!!!!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 9:27 am
I don’t want to get too into the Gruden thing but Arkush on the radio again took a call from a guy asking about Gruden’s coaching future Thurs.nite. The caller said he thinks Gruden will go to Philly and Hub responded that everyone seems to think so but the only problem is Gruden wants to have control of personnel and he (Hub) doesn’t think Philly will be willing to offer him that.
Hub went on to say people think maybe Dallas, but that doesn’t make sense becuz Jerry Jones would never relinquish personnel control to the extent that Gruden would want.
Hub said the only team he thinks that WOULD give him the control he wants is Oakland; which is why he has been saying he thinks it’s where he will end up.
He made it a point to say that the Oakland thing is “by no means a done deal” but he again said that Gruden has met with Mark Davis in regard to this. He’s not backing off from that stance.
Hub concluded that “No other organization is gonna be willing to offer Gruden the kind of control he wants except Oakland…” He continued “I could be wrong but I just don’t see it”.
I’ve been on the side of being more than fine if Gruden came back to Oakland, but i personally have no expectation he will.
I’m also not as convinced as Hub Arkush that Gruden IS coming back to coach in the NFL next yr. but Hub says he’s CERTAIN he is.
We’ll see.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Reggie needs to man up and admit he fked up w/ his hiring of DA.
All will be forgiven if he makes the right decision and brings in someone else.
You learn from your mistakes.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Whats up Nation!!
Our best hope for next year after reading that Knapp needs 5 years to hopefully get lucky and have the perfect RB fall into his lap, is if Mark Davis read the same thing.
No way he is waiting 5 years for Knapp to hit the lotto… And DA would get fired for continuing to buy the tickets. Reggie gets fired for being the driver.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:32 am
“The burning question on the minds of many is, why take a Raiders offense that last season finished ninth in average yards and per game and 15th in average points per game and install a new blocking scheme and playbook?”
Don’t ask Knapp that question. Ask Davis, Reggie, and Allen that question for hiring an offensive coordinator that was going to change the system that is going to take 2-3 years to implement when the Raiders had a good thing going already AND desperately needs a winning record after 10 years of crap being sold to the fans.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:33 am
639.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Gruden isnt returning,..so the best plan is to stick it out with Allen and Knapp,..let Reggie get rid of about 30 more players,…starting with DMC,..make a deal for Alex Smith,…if no Gruden, cant make any coaching changes. Word.
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I don’t think he is either. We have no choice but to embrace DA for at leat another year. Hopefully more, cuz if he stays for a 3rd then it means he was somewhat successful next season.
Not very exciting but i’m getting used to it.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Marks hair Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Krapp is historicly worse in yr 2 as his playcalling is even more predictible to his peers.. i am not excited
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And this proves that he’s learning. The running game this year is SO bad with DMac that it can only get better next year with anyone else. With a two year plan, he can set the bar very low on year one and reverse the trend
December 14th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Reggie’s staff was hired based on the good ol’ boy network and not based on what was needed for the best chance of success.
Davis needs to realize that Reggie was not working in the team’s best interest when he hired the coaching staff that was brought in. It is not just Allen and Knapp that need to go. If Davis wants to do this right he needs to dump the lot of them and start over just like he did this year. Sad to say, but it’s true.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Moose Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Knapp is just a bad play-caller everybody knows what he will call except him self
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He seems to be ok until a defense starts doing something unexpected (all out stunts and blitzes) and then he seems completely bewildered what to do about it. They can just keep sending extra players and Knapp never makes them pay. Same way with stacking 8-9 in the box the first half… we just keep sending a RB into the middle of it.
Part of this has to be on CP, he HAS to audible out of things sometimes… but maybe he doesn’t even have hot reads worked out… who knows? I am screaming at the TV when I see them stacking 8 in the box on obvious running plays to audible into a pass play, and it never happens. WTF?
That is football 101, and you NEVER see simplistic things like that being ignored in NE, fer instance. Throw screens or quick outs when they show blitz, and throw long when they stack 8 in the box. Bellichick has done these simple things with Brady for ten years now and nobody can still stop them.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Good Morning Nation and Green Party Brothers.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Allen and Knapp are both returning next year,..they arent the problem, the losers on the roster are,..Reggie in a few weeks will take out the trash,…since Jon isnt returning the only thing to do is roll with these dudes for a few years.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:39 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:33 am
639.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Gruden isnt returning,..so the best plan is to stick it out with Allen and Knapp,..let Reggie get rid of about 30 more players,…starting with DMC,..make a deal for Alex Smith,…if no Gruden, cant make any coaching changes. Word.
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I don’t think he is either. We have no choice but to embrace DA for at leat another year. Hopefully more, cuz if he stays for a 3rd then it means he was somewhat successful next season.
Not very exciting but i’m getting used to it.
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I also believe Allen will return next year. However, I have not given up hope for a change a OC.
If the offense continues to struggle down the stretch I believe a change might happen.
However, with Allen at HC, whoever is brought in would be a ZBS schemer.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:41 am
“The burning question on the minds of many is, why take a Raiders offense that last season finished ninth in average yards and per game and 15th in average points per game and install a new blocking scheme and playbook?”
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Because the success of that system was predicated on a healthy DMac in a system designed just for his limitations as a RB. I said it before he was drafted and will say it again now. DMac is really only successful when he has huge holes to run through and can hit the second level with speed. That’s what all of his college highlights are.
The issue with building a system around this cornerstone is that DMac continues to prove that he’s an 8-10 game per season player that can’t be counted on. Why continue to invest the style and contracts of 10 other players around this uncertain piece when the whole system is as fragile as the annual sprain that turns into 5 weeks off that is McFadden?
This year was a wash from day 1. That was clearly in the cards and Reggie just about said as much with his need to fix the cap. So why prolong an offensive system that is built around a guy with a too high contract that is a free agent in 2013 when you can use your officially sanctioned rebuilding year to put in place something that will, in theory, be cheaper and as effective for years to come.
I totally understand and agree with that long term logic. You can argue that the wrong guy(s) were picked for the implementation, but that’s not as hard to change in the offseason as it is to swap out an OL and a year of learning. If people think Knapp himself is the issue there are plenty of disciples of the ZBS out there that could replace him with minimal disruption to the system.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Morning brutha from anotha mutha!!
December 14th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Trade down:
1- CB D Milliner, Xavier Rhodes, or Banks
2- OLB D Jordan, Chase Thomas, or Anthony Barr
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
2 pass rushers and a starting CB.
We add a NT and maybe another LB/ MLB if we don’t resign wheeler.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Manassmauler?
We don’t need tougher gun laws?
Tell that to the parents of Newton, Conneticut who at last count, have 20 kids or so shot by a 20 yr old man.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am
VonRidel Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Reggie’s staff was hired based on the good ol’ boy network and not based on what was needed for the best chance of success.
Davis needs to realize that Reggie was not working in the team’s best interest when he hired the coaching staff that was brought in. It is not just Allen and Knapp that need to go. If Davis wants to do this right he needs to dump the lot of them and start over just like he did this year. Sad to say, but it’s true.
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Disagree completely. He hitched his wagon to McK and DA, now he has to ride with them. The coaching carousel has to end.
Knapp can go easily though. Replacing OC’s happens ALL THE TIME in the NFL. Replacing HC’s is a different matter. I see nothing from DA so far.. but he deserves THREE years. If he doesn’t get it, why would anyone want to come here and coach? That was what Al had problems with… he either had to spin the wheel with greehorns, or rely on desperate washed up has-beens or never-haves.
Why would anyone want to go back to that?
December 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Newtown*
December 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am
david shaw get’s the most out of his talent, understands the raider tradition, and get’s us back a physical brand of football.
david shaw is the answer
December 14th, 2012 at 9:45 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Newtown*
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lol
For a min I thought u were talking about Cam
December 14th, 2012 at 9:46 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Manassmauler?
We don’t need tougher gun laws?
Tell that to the parents of Newton, Conneticut who at last count, have 20 kids or so shot by a 20 yr old man.
>>>>>
Haven’t you noticed everyone else is discussing FOOTBALL here?
The morons are showing up… time to go…
December 14th, 2012 at 9:46 am
HC – Shaw
OC – Norv
DC – Romeo
December 14th, 2012 at 9:47 am
I am simply amazed at the focus coaching gets when you can PLAINLY SEE our players beaten like a drum on the field.
Perhaps many of you do not watch the games?
Perhaps it feels better thinking with a quick coaching change all our problems are fixed?
Why are you amazed that we can not attract a “proven winner” to coach this team. (Do not use the excuse of Mr Davis not paying enough or Reggie not wanting conflict). There is not anyone remotely familiar with the NFL that does not realize this is a huge, lengthy project given our lack of on field talent!!!
How many coaches do you want to try while getting the same results before you realize it is not as much a coaching issue as a player talent issue.
We need two more solid drafts before we can compete.
You may not like it, but that is the reality of our embarrasing situation.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Zymurge Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:41 am
“The burning question on the minds of many is, why take a Raiders offense that last season finished ninth in average yards and per game and 15th in average points per game and install a new blocking scheme and playbook?”
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Because the success of that system was predicated on a healthy DMac in a system designed just for his limitations as a RB. I said it before he was drafted and will say it again now. DMac is really only successful when he has huge holes to run through and can hit the second level with speed. That’s what all of his college highlights are.
The issue with building a system around this cornerstone is that DMac continues to prove that he’s an 8-10 game per season player that can’t be counted on. Why continue to invest the style and contracts of 10 other players around this uncertain piece when the whole system is as fragile as the annual sprain that turns into 5 weeks off that is McFadden?
This year was a wash from day 1. That was clearly in the cards and Reggie just about said as much with his need to fix the cap. So why prolong an offensive system that is built around a guy with a too high contract that is a free agent in 2013 when you can use your officially sanctioned rebuilding year to put in place something that will, in theory, be cheaper and as effective for years to come.
I totally understand and agree with that long term logic. You can argue that the wrong guy(s) were picked for the implementation, but that’s not as hard to change in the offseason as it is to swap out an OL and a year of learning. If people think Knapp himself is the issue there are plenty of disciples of the ZBS out there that could replace him with minimal disruption to the system.
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I agree.
One thing we have to remember. Just like Hue, Allen did not get his first choice at OC or DC.
Knapp was not at the top of the list. I think if there are better candidates out there and available then Reggie and Allen will be looking at them.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:48 am
640,
I understand what you’re saying, but i can’t believe this is “the best you can get”. I believe that Greg Knapp was hired simply because of DA being familiar with him and maybe liking him and being “comfortable” working with him.
It sure as heck cannot be becuz of Knapp’s stellar record.
There’s a reason Cable took away play calling duties from him and i think Cable taking a 5-11 team and bringing them to 8-8 was much more of an accomplshment than anything Knapp has ever done.
Knapp’s presser went beyond just your usual run of the mill positive coach speak. It was a jumbled mess of excuses and made up CYA type of stuff that didn’t even make any sense. He obviously has no clue when he can’t even keep his excuses straight.
As far as what i’d like him to say…how about some semblence of truth?
He goes over the top trying to defend and defer..making it up as he goes along.
Almost EVERY point he made can be easily refuted by actual FACTS and already has quite extensively in the Bleacher Report article.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:49 am
DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:46 am
HC – Shaw
OC – Norv
DC – Romeo
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let him bring in who he wants, that’s an all star staff though. then let reggie handle the personell. gotta think reggie being from gb knows the importance of raji is hoping star lotuleilei falls to him
December 14th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Move Shonasty to the other end.
Houston and Bryant in the middle.
Draft a nasty pass rusher or sign Johnson (bengals)
December 14th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Charlie Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:47 am
I am simply amazed at the focus coaching gets when you can PLAINLY SEE our players beaten like a drum on the field.
Perhaps many of you do not watch the games?
Perhaps it feels better thinking with a quick coaching change all our problems are fixed?
Why are you amazed that we can not attract a “proven winner” to coach this team. (Do not use the excuse of Mr Davis not paying enough or Reggie not wanting conflict). There is not anyone remotely familiar with the NFL that does not realize this is a huge, lengthy project given our lack of on field talent!!!
How many coaches do you want to try while getting the same results before you realize it is not as much a coaching issue as a player talent issue.
We need two more solid drafts before we can compete.
You may not like it, but that is the reality of our embarrasing situation.
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guess you haven’t seen the what happened to the 9ers when harbaugh got there, or the rams with fisher there, or the bucs with schiano, or seattle with carroll…
December 14th, 2012 at 9:52 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Charlie Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:47 am
I am simply amazed at the focus coaching gets when you can PLAINLY SEE our players beaten like a drum on the field.
Perhaps many of you do not watch the games?
Perhaps it feels better thinking with a quick coaching change all our problems are fixed?
Why are you amazed that we can not attract a “proven winner” to coach this team. (Do not use the excuse of Mr Davis not paying enough or Reggie not wanting conflict). There is not anyone remotely familiar with the NFL that does not realize this is a huge, lengthy project given our lack of on field talent!!!
How many coaches do you want to try while getting the same results before you realize it is not as much a coaching issue as a player talent issue.
We need two more solid drafts before we can compete.
You may not like it, but that is the reality of our embarrasing situation.
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guess you haven’t seen the what happened to the 9ers when harbaugh got there, or the rams with fisher there, or the bucs with schiano, or seattle with carroll…
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Exactly!
December 14th, 2012 at 9:52 am
DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:45 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Newtown*
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lol
For a min I thought u were talking about Cam
>>>>>
Why would he want to talk about football here?
This is a political forum.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Charlie Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:47 am
I am simply amazed at the focus coaching gets when you can PLAINLY SEE our players beaten like a drum on the field.
Perhaps many of you do not watch the games?
Perhaps it feels better thinking with a quick coaching change all our problems are fixed?
Why are you amazed that we can not attract a “proven winner” to coach this team. (Do not use the excuse of Mr Davis not paying enough or Reggie not wanting conflict). There is not anyone remotely familiar with the NFL that does not realize this is a huge, lengthy project given our lack of on field talent!!!
How many coaches do you want to try while getting the same results before you realize it is not as much a coaching issue as a player talent issue.
We need two more solid drafts before we can compete.
You may not like it, but that is the reality of our embarrasing situation.
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I agree that the team lacks talent. That is very much an issue.
However, Knapp has NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL ANYWHERE he has been OC. If this were his first stop I would be much more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he has a proven track record of failure.
“In Knapp’s second season as offensive coordinator in three previous stops, his team’s scoring dropped by an average of 1.1 points per game and an average of 4.5 yards per game in Year 2.”
December 14th, 2012 at 9:52 am
DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Move Shonasty to the other end.
Houston and Bryant in the middle.
Draft a nasty pass rusher or sign Johnson (bengals)
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is johnson a one year wonder though? had a bunch of sacks but only this year his contract year. avril been doin it for years. you sign avril and draft te’o
you got
avril bryant houston shaughnessey
wheeler te’o burris
December 14th, 2012 at 9:54 am
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
DA is going nowhere, folks. Tarver goes nowhere. Knapp shouldn’t be a lock to stay, at least in his current capacity, especially with Al Saunders still on staff. Knapp needs to be replaced. Let Saunders call the plays, and we’d probably score 20+ pts per right now (24+ if DMC can get off the massage table).
Greg Knapp is the worst OC in the NFL. ReggieMcK knows it.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:54 am
I’m not a moron “Gdog”. It was a discussion I was having with him the other night after the shooting in Happy Valley, Oregan.
If you don’t like it, scroll down and keep it moving. I don’t insult you for talking about the same shet everyday in here=Raiders losing, replacing Knapp, we should have done this, we should have done that etc etc.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:54 am
If they leave all the coaches in place then we know that we will know that they are in fact MORONS.
And when we go 3 13 next year, maybe they’ll listen to us!
I can’t believe in any way shape or form that Knapp and Tarver think they are coming back.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:56 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:52 am
DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Move Shonasty to the other end.
Houston and Bryant in the middle.
Draft a nasty pass rusher or sign Johnson (bengals)
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is johnson a one year wonder though? had a bunch of sacks but only this year his contract year. avril been doin it for years. you sign avril and draft te’o
you got
avril bryant houston shaughnessey
wheeler te’o burris
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I like Avril 2, but he may be pricier.
Their both young and can get better.
Johnson (25yr)
Avril (26yr)
December 14th, 2012 at 9:56 am
need gun control already…27 dead? at k-4th grade school in conn…
December 14th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Back to football gentleman!
December 14th, 2012 at 9:56 am
DJ Johnny =top notch poster
December 14th, 2012 at 9:57 am
I mean this scheme hasn’t shown ANY promise. Nothing. I’ve only seen like 3 good playes all year! And they were plays that Knapp stole from other teams.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Wow. I think this might be the worst thing I have ever heard about in my life. This is hard to believe it’s real.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:59 am
I like Avril 2, but he may be pricier.
Their both young and can get better.
Johnson (25yr)
Avril (26yr)
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wouldn’t be mad at johnson, and i’m calling shaughnessey being much improved next year a yr removed from major surgery. the guy showed too much promise before the surgery. houston will need to ad some of that weight back to move inside
December 14th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Mr. Prez,
Warriors & Clippers!!!
LOL & the Fakers.
I like Basketball, love my Buckeyes, but not the same as my Raiders. Not a good year.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Oh wow…that’s just horrible. The news went from 1-2 dead, to over 20? Unbelievable.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Reggie knew this scheme with Knapp was not going to work with current roster. I agree that some plays were stolen from Houston. Knapp and Tarver’s scheme will not work in 2013 when the schedule will much be tougher.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:03 am
It would have had to have gotten horrendously bad to even consider making a move on yet another 1st yr. HC considering the “limitations” we hear so much about…on and on all we hear is excuses why we can’t do this and why we can’t do that, but it almost looks like this team has gotten SO BAD that a change almost needs to be considered.
I didn’t want it to be this way.; heck i wanted Hue to stay for continuity purposes, but apparently he crossed that unforgivable line of losing 4 out of 5 at the end and daring to be honest in his last presser.
But apparently 3-10 and getting blownout and having your arse handed to you in the process on a weekly basis is “forgivable”.
I don’t think you keep a HC simply becuz you don’t want to appear “dysfunctional” to other coaches. We’re already there.
You own up to your horrible mistake and fix it till u get it right.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Raider O Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Mr. Prez,
Warriors & Clippers!!!
LOL & the Fakers.
I like Basketball, love my Buckeyes, but not the same as my Raiders. Not a good year.
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So glad the A’s had a terrific season and now the Dubs are ballin’.
Helps ease the pain of being a Raider!
December 14th, 2012 at 10:05 am
633.DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
WTF is smoking Green party?!
TGIF!!!!
Can someone please be kind enough to sum up what Dumb and Dumber are talking about in the post? To lazy to read this morning.
Thanx in advanced
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Here’s a Breakdown of what Knapp is really saying:
“I don’t know why they decided to destruct an upcoming offense, doesn’t make much sense But I am not imaginative enough to adapt or teach anything other than what i barely know. What i do know is i’d like to have a Job for at least one more year, unless there is major roster turnover. Which in that case i will need at least one more 20 game preseason to teach the new comers”
December 14th, 2012 at 10:05 am
perfect chance for the prez to place some bans on semi automatic weapons and stricter restrictions on purchasing, dakota you better stash your weapons in your bombshelter
December 14th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Warriors look good. Props from a Laker fan. I could have gone to the game to see them play the Heat but I didn’t.
Missed out on being a Warrior fan for a night, since I HATE the Heat.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Time to give Cliff Harris (cb) a call Reggie. What do we have to lose? Have him compete w/ others. You also add a dynamic kick returner.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:06 am
680.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:56 am
need gun control already…27 dead? at k-4th grade school in conn…
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Gun control is not going to solve the problem of crazy peices of $h!t. Look at Mexico, which has strict Gun laws Nationwide.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Thanx Judge
December 14th, 2012 at 10:08 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Warriors look good. Props from a Laker fan. I could have gone to the game to see them play the Heat but I didn’t.
Missed out on being a Warrior fan for a night, since I HATE the Heat.
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Go and catch a Magic beatdown 2nite. You won’t be dissapointed.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:10 am
whatever…little kids are dead by some dypsheyt with a big gun…..
December 14th, 2012 at 10:11 am
696.DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Thanx Judge
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Wise move by not reading, only elevates frustration to new heights.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Morning Nation
My opinion is that Knapp should go, just because of the simple fact he does not use his personal correctly.
i.e. Reece, DMAC, DHB,
I am willing to give Tarver another year, because,
1. Defense is harder to pick up in one year
2. four of are starters wont be on any team next year
3. The Cap issues affected the defense the most and created more glarring holes
I say give Tarver a pass rusher and a decent corner and Nose tackle and see what he can do.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo said Thursday that the second-year quarterback has put in the requisite work to succeed.
“It’s gone great. The kid hasn’t let up (since training camp) in terms of work ethic and those things,” DeFilippo said. “He’s progressing nicely.”
DeFilippo said Pryor never showed frustration at being inactive for 11 games of the season and has worked diligently on his footwork to improve his passing accuracy.
“There’s always room for improvement in any quarterback, but he’s making strides,” DeFilippo said.
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HELL YEAH!!!!! THAT IS THE BEST NEWS I HAVE HEARD ALL SEASON LONG!!!!
I hope this young guy can make a few plays and force a controversy. i hope he can force a competition and win the job out right to start!!!
Greg knapp had vick in atl so im sure people will compare and say they will not succeed just as knapp and vick ultimately didnt.
I would disagree because vick and pryor are not comparable other than their blinding 4.4 speed.
I vick entered the nfl with a much smoother throwing motion, pryor’s was a quirky 3/4 delivery, closer to bernie kosar. i felt coming out of college that unless he could prove that he could fix his delivery and make better decisions off the field he would have trouble at this level. I could see that his delivery was the main flaw in his game and severely hampered his accuracy at times.
pryor has smoothed out his motion and it was evident in preseason. The coach says his accuracy has improved, backing up my observations. he has worked diligently to correct flaws, and this will separate him from guys like vince young who never addressed his throwing motion. I am greatly encouraged by this turn of events.
OFF the field pryor has matured as a young man, and his profession is first in his life, this is also where he differs from vick. Things came easily to vick in college and in his early pro days. pryor almost lost his pro career before it started and has had to fight and claw for every scrap. he is hungry focused dedicated to his craft, and has grasped professionalism.
because of these factors i think knapp has a chance to succeed with pryor ion a way he never did with vick, even though vick may have been a more pro ready product at during his first two years as a pro.
I cant wait to see what he does when he gets his shot
December 14th, 2012 at 10:12 am
698.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:10 am
whatever…little kids are dead by some dypsheyt with a big gun…..
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It’s horrible. My solution would be to Burn this guy alive at the stake, then see how many copy cats want to follow. Doesn’t solve the $h!t bags who take their own life though.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:12 am
DMAC,
Hell nah! Thats in Orlando and if i’m going there (3hrs) it’s to Disney World. lol
We give the Warriors props but thats where it stops.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:13 am
yeah…just feel bad for the families.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Among other things, the Raiders need a RB who can stay on the field, and give us 100+ combined yards per game.
I rue the day the Raiders spent their #1 pick on the mercurial DMC. It has been a failed experiment.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:15 am
704.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:13 am
yeah…just feel bad for the families.
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Yeah at an Elementary School. That really fkd my morining up. So sad
December 14th, 2012 at 10:16 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:12 am
DMAC,
Hell nah! Thats in Orlando and if i’m going there (3hrs) it’s to Disney World. lol
We give the Warriors props but thats where it stops.
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lol
Kill 2 birds w/ 1 stone?
December 14th, 2012 at 10:17 am
705.HayesDaze37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Among other things, the Raiders need a RB who can stay on the field, and give us 100+ combined yards per game.
I rue the day the Raiders spent their #1 pick on the mercurial DMC. It has been a failed experiment.
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I’d rather have McFadden run hard for 9 games than run scared. Just need a good back up like we had with Bush. It’s hard to fault someone for getting hurt, especially RB’s
December 14th, 2012 at 10:18 am
rob parker suspended for rgIII comments
WOW
dont speak out of turn you will get checked
December 14th, 2012 at 10:18 am
705.HayesDaze37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Among other things, the Raiders need a RB who can stay on the field, and give us 100+ combined yards per game.
I rue the day the Raiders spent their #1 pick on the mercurial DMC. It has been a failed experiment.
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Cuz Glenn Dorsey would have solved everything right?
December 14th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Gun control is not going to solve the problem of crazy peices of $h!t. Look at Mexico, which has strict Gun laws Nationwide.
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we don’t have drug cartels controlling much of the country here though
December 14th, 2012 at 10:19 am
just 5 minutes with a schyytbag like this…5 min…
December 14th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Yes DMAC is injury prone, but I can’t believe there’s so many in here that pick Knapp over DMAC.
DMAC clearly isn’t a zone runner.
Some rather keep Knapp and add another RB?
lol
December 14th, 2012 at 10:20 am
711.inonewordraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Gun control is not going to solve the problem of crazy peices of $h!t. Look at Mexico, which has strict Gun laws Nationwide.
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we don’t have drug cartels controlling much of the country here though
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That’s what you’d like to think
December 14th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:19 am
just 5 minutes with a schyytbag like this…5 min…
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1 sec and a .45
December 14th, 2012 at 10:21 am
DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Yes DMAC is injury prone, but I can’t believe there’s so many in here that pick Knapp over DMAC.
DMAC clearly isn’t a zone runner.
Some rather keep Knapp and add another RB?
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I don’t get that either. “Let’s get more guys to fit knapps system?” Like the guys who think Alex Smith would be a better fit for Knapps WCO
December 14th, 2012 at 10:22 am
nah too quick…
December 14th, 2012 at 10:22 am
715.DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:19 am
just 5 minutes with a schyytbag like this…5 min…
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1 sec and a .45
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Way too quick and easy. I need at least an hour, gallon of gas, fire extinguisher and rubbing alcohol.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:22 am
go back to 2004 mexico 2.7 gun deaths /100k with 2858 dead, us 3.2/100k 9385 dead with a lot more poverty in mexico
December 14th, 2012 at 10:23 am
I was talking about during the scene.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:25 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:22 am
go back to 2004 mexico 2.7 gun deaths /100k with 2858 dead, us 3.2/100k 9385 dead with a lot more poverty in mexico
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In Mexico they don’t shoot as much, because they slice and dice you up and then burn you up.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Anybody seen Matt Shaughnessy?? He’s been as absent as Seymour, and Seymour can’t even keep his high-paid a$$ on the field.
It would be nice to see Seymour go out with a few good games to end his career…and Shaughnessy to start playing the way “we” all expected him to this year and beyond.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:27 am
dang a k-4? nothings sacred. they have a problem in china where people attack kindergardens and elementary schools with knives, today 7 children and 2 adults killed with a meatclever at an elementary. and in china they’ve placed security at a lot of the schools
December 14th, 2012 at 10:27 am
722.HayesDaze37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Anybody seen Matt Shaughnessy?? He’s been as absent as Seymour, and Seymour can’t even keep his high-paid a$$ on the field.
It would be nice to see Seymour go out with a few good games to end his career…and Shaughnessy to start playing the way “we” all expected him to this year and beyond.
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Problem is “We” all expect more than what ShoNasty is able to provide. I don’t think he’s ever had more sacks than 7 in a season. He’s not a superstar talent.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Please read my post carefully:
“There is not anyone in the NFL that thinks the Raiders have the talent to compete. That is why you will not get veteran coaches to come here.”
Why did Carrol go to Seattle. They already had talent.
Why did Peyton go to the Broncos. They already had talent.
Why Schiano (Not aproven NFL talent but I assume you mean winning at some level) to the Bucs. They had talent.
Why Fisher to the Rams. They had talent.
You proved my point.
WE HAVE THE MOST ERODED DLINE IN THE LEAGUE. OLD, OVERPAID W/O A FIRST OR SECOND ROUND PICK AND OVER THE CAP. WE ALSO NEEDED A WHOLE NEW SCOUTING DEPARTMENT WITH COMPUTERS. COMPUTERS!!!!!!!
Our Oline is a bit better but still needs two new starters at a minimum.
The teams you cited were in no way near this DISASTROUS condition.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:28 am
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57559179/china-school-knife-attack-leaves-23-injured/
December 14th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Shonasty needs to be moved to the other end.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Law enforcement officer on t.v just suggested, on top of the background check, a psychological screening like officers go through to be able to use a firearm.
Should have been done a long time ago!
December 14th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Matt is nothing more than a Rotational player, like most d-lineman in the League now. He’s no Freeny or Peppers.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Another freak with a gun, shooting up kids at school.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:29 am
728.MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Law enforcement officer on t.v just suggested, on top of the background check, a psychological screening like officers go through to be able to use a firearm.
Should have been done a long time ago!
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I’ve suggested that Officers should need more than a GED to carry a firearm themselves.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Charlie Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Please read my post carefully:
“There is not anyone in the NFL that thinks the Raiders have the talent to compete. That is why you will not get veteran coaches to come here.”
Why did Carrol go to Seattle. They already had talent.
Why did Peyton go to the Broncos. They already had talent.
Why Schiano (Not aproven NFL talent but I assume you mean winning at some level) to the Bucs. They had talent.
Why Fisher to the Rams. They had talent.
You proved my point.
WE HAVE THE MOST ERODED DLINE IN THE LEAGUE. OLD, OVERPAID W/O A FIRST OR SECOND ROUND PICK AND OVER THE CAP. WE ALSO NEEDED A WHOLE NEW SCOUTING DEPARTMENT WITH COMPUTERS. COMPUTERS!!!!!!!
Our Oline is a bit better but still needs two new starters at a minimum.
The teams you cited were in no way near this DISASTROUS condition.
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If these teams already had talent, then why were their HC’s fired and replaced by others????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
December 14th, 2012 at 10:31 am
731
LOL
December 14th, 2012 at 10:31 am
26 dead. 18 children 8 adults.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Problem is breaking the Trend. Guns are far to easy to get, legal or not, to be the solution. Problem is crazy $h!tbags. And since Columbine there’s no answers.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:33 am
A freaking elementary school!
December 14th, 2012 at 10:34 am
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:31 am
26 dead. 18 children 8 adults.
Read about that…in CT!
WTF is wrong with people these days? At a friggen Elementary School???
December 14th, 2012 at 10:36 am
The_Judge37 Says:
I’d rather have McFadden run hard for 9 games than run scared. Just need a good back up like we had with Bush. It’s hard to fault someone for getting hurt, especially RB’s
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It isn’t a question of DMC:
not trying hard
not being a good guy
not being a great Team guy
not being GREAT most of the time when healthy
He’s all of those things. It’s a question of:
Can DMC stay healthy enough to game-plan (entire seasons) for, with confidence?
The answer is — and history says — NO.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Yeah, a sick fvcker shoots up a school… ok lets ban guns. That will work.
Drugs are illegal, have been for decades. I can get a pound of heroine just as easily as a gun.
We don’t need to regulate guns further, we need to regulate people.
School shootings didn’t happen prior to the 90s because we weren’t pussies before that, we identified sick fvckin people and locked them up. Now we coddle this psychos until the kill a classroom full of children.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Charlie Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Please read my post carefully:
“There is not anyone in the NFL that thinks the Raiders have the talent to compete. That is why you will not get veteran coaches to come here.”
Why did Carrol go to Seattle. They already had talent.
Why did Peyton go to the Broncos. They already had talent.
Why Schiano (Not aproven NFL talent but I assume you mean winning at some level) to the Bucs. They had talent.
Why Fisher to the Rams. They had talent.
You proved my point.
WE HAVE THE MOST ERODED DLINE IN THE LEAGUE. OLD, OVERPAID W/O A FIRST OR SECOND ROUND PICK AND OVER THE CAP. WE ALSO NEEDED A WHOLE NEW SCOUTING DEPARTMENT WITH COMPUTERS. COMPUTERS!!!!!!!
Our Oline is a bit better but still needs two new starters at a minimum.
The teams you cited were in no way near this DISASTROUS condition.
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who do the rams have? an average bradford, an old stephen jackson and amendola on o, how do they score?
name one guy on the bucs d?
the 9ers had studs (smith, willis, davis) before harbaugh
seattle has who at receiver? who are there oline and dlinemen? what about their lb’s?
December 14th, 2012 at 10:37 am
The problem is, life has lost it’s value. No one respects anyone anymore and people grow more insensitive and inconsiderate by the day.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:43 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:37 am
The problem is, life has lost it’s value. No one respects anyone anymore and people grow more insensitive and inconsiderate by the day.
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Yep. Look at the trolls on this blog
December 14th, 2012 at 10:44 am
This schit is Normal in America, but nowhere else in the world.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:45 am
I do feel we’ve become to coddled as a society. Now the slightest thing hurts and offends people and they don’t know how to deal with it. Most of the people who go on these crazy rampages, you can tell they haven’t been through much adversity and can’t cope.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Hey blog brothers it would behoov you to take a look at this video.
Your welcome, these girls are so hot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HX4SfnVlP4&feature=g-list&list=PLF884BDE1C30FF29E
December 14th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Yeah, a sick fvcker shoots up a school… ok lets ban guns. That will work.
Drugs are illegal, have been for decades. I can get a pound of heroine just as easily as a gun.
We don’t need to regulate guns further, we need to regulate people.
School shootings didn’t happen prior to the 90s because we weren’t pussies before that, we identified sick fvckin people and locked them up. Now we coddle this psychos until the kill a classroom full of children.
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Dumb dumb dumb
December 14th, 2012 at 10:49 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Hey blog brothers it would behoov you to take a look at this video.
Your welcome, these girls are so hot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HX4SfnVlP4&feature=g-list&list=PLF884BDE1C30FF29E
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Kind of a let down. I feel that video was about 4 yards short of the Sticks.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Umm, Judge –
You’re missing the point on Shaughnessy. Go back to before the season, and you could find (and hear) glowing reports on Shaughnessy, and his upcoming break-out year, because he was healthy again. His Pro Bowl push just didn’t materialize. And, I don’t know of anyone expecting him to be a sack specialist.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Angry white men with machine guns……………….
December 14th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Bcz24 Says:
School shootings didn’t happen prior to the 90s because we weren’t pussies before that, we identified sick fvckin people and locked them up. Now we coddle this psychos until the kill a classroom full of children.
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Hmmm. I guess you never heard of Charles Whitman.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:53 am
i like the lyrics
“Shake it for the critters and the crickets, the squirrels and the chickens, the possums and the deers, the ant eaters and the steers.”
Love me some country girls!
December 14th, 2012 at 10:55 am
A whole K class…don’t really know what to say at the moment! Knowing that I have kids that age…makes me want to home school or move back to Paradise, but…even there is pretty stupid these days!
December 14th, 2012 at 10:57 am
HayesDaze37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Umm, Judge –
You’re missing the point on Shaughnessy. Go back to before the season, and you could find (and hear) glowing reports on Shaughnessy, and his upcoming break-out year, because he was healthy again. His Pro Bowl push just didn’t materialize. And, I don’t know of anyone expecting him to be a sack specialist.
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Can’t put too much into Camp expectations, Did the Same for Schilenz and a few others. As far as among the fans, way too high for someone of his limited Talent. He’s a high motor guy and strong, but that’s it. I still think he’s a good player and welcome him back next year. But we need someone like Wimbley to rotate with him.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:57 am
KoolKell Says:
Angry white men with machine guns……………….
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Go ahead and stir that pot, KK!
Nothing better to do with the sad news today?
Sad for you.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:59 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:55 am
A whole K class…don’t really know what to say at the moment! Knowing that I have kids that age…makes me want to home school or move back to Paradise, but…even there is pretty stupid these days!
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This is easily the worst one to date. Which unfortunatly means the bar has been raised for the next Dirt bag looking to make a name for himself. Seems the world is deteriorating at a Mayan rate.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:01 am
I know…pretty crazy!
December 14th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Judge (great moniker, btw) –
You act like you didn’t hear/read any of the prognostications about Shaughnessy earlier this year.
You say you put the same kind of expectations on him that you did on Schilens? You’d be the first I’ve heard that from. There was even talk that Shaughnessy was the next great Raiders Pro Bowl D-lineman. Didn’t happen. Yet, anyway.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:04 am
It’s got to be about time where they no longer release the name of the suspect. It’s not neccessary unless there’s a manhunt. But maybe if these guys just start fading into anotoumy there will be fewer cases.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Dakota,
Where is your rue the day list from a couple of years ago
December 14th, 2012 at 11:06 am
HayesDaze37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Judge (great moniker, btw) –
You act like you didn’t hear/read any of the prognostications about Shaughnessy earlier this year.
You say you put the same kind of expectations on him that you did on Schilens? You’d be the first I’ve heard that from. There was even talk that Shaughnessy was the next great Raiders Pro Bowl D-lineman. Didn’t happen. Yet, anyway.
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Thanks, you’ve got great taste as well.
I heard it all about Shaugnessy, I personally just didn’t expect much from it. I just brought up Chaz because of they hype the Coaches gave him during Camps.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Not sure Shonasty will ever play like he once did. After the injury he seems to have regressed.
But then again our team has regressed under DA and company.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:09 am
DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Not sure Shonasty will ever play like he once did. After the injury he seems to have regressed.
But then again our team has regressed under DA and company.
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I don’t think the Injury should’ve been that bad. Who knows but i’m thinking it’s almost laziness contracted from Tommy Kelly. I also remember looking for Shaughnessy Highlights on Youtube, instead found video of him outside a club, drunk and smoking with a beer gut.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:09 am
I rue the fact DMC can’t stay healthy.
I rue the fact the Raiders need to look for a #1 RB still.
I rue the fact I drafted DMC in FFL this year after drinking Dakota’s Kool-Aid (again).
December 14th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Here is why the rob parker rgIII flap is really interesting.
I have seen several athletes have their character or so called patriotism questioned in the media and on tv in particular.
Why is questioning someone commitment to the black community out of bounds?
parker, although i may disagree with airing out rgIII in a public forum to a certain extent, has brought up an iportant issue, and created a dialogue that needs to take place in our homes, and amongst our men especially.
Should prominent black entertainers have a true commitment to uplifting our community?
For his comment “down for the cuase” he is implying the Marcus Garvey / Elijah Muhammad philosophy of do for self. By his comment “one of us” meaning not simply black skin but a social consciousness and black awareness or afrikan world view.
espn is owned by the disny abc machine. mainstream media does not want any dialogue about self improvement for black people on a major platform. Rob parker is being silenced, and he is a beacon for any other black man in entertainment, do not speak out of turn or we will kill your career, or take your life.
parker is no fool and he intentionally stirred the pot, he had to know the risk he was taking. this is not about any kind of morality on abc’s part, they have none.
Abc is far more comfortable putting guys like chris brown or rihana or jz on tv. people that are clearly owned and will never raise the important issue that affect our community, and who put out messages of self hate and destructive mental poison for the black youth. they wil much rather give us damon wayans and lebron james, people that will entertain but in no way call into question the conditions that they came from.
Rob parker and this story should have the attention of every black entertainer, and im sure it has reached every black entertainers agent or manager and publicist.
be a good little servant and entertain
December 14th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Just scroll baby!!!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 11:12 am
For those interested, RGIII did release a statement regarding Rob Parker’s comments about his “Blackness”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY2kJ96jNY
December 14th, 2012 at 11:13 am
DMAC Says:
Just scroll baby!!!!!
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LMAO – for real man
December 14th, 2012 at 11:16 am
DMAC
Because of impatient, immature owners who could not accept accountability for their own failures and incompetance.
To save face with the “Fans” they created a scapegoat er “coaching” change.
Wake up. If you are really a Raider fan you have been exposed to this charade for ten years and you do not see it?????????????????
Have any of those teams you cited won a Super Bowl in the last five years? Let me know when one of those teams wins one.
You simply can not compare the level of decay we have with other NFL teams over the last ten years.
BTW; THe Rams and Bucs are .500. BFD.
PS Take a look at the Seahawks and how they have built their in the box talent in the draft for the last 8 years. You have proven my point. Build the lines and the wins will follow. It has much less to do with Carrol and more to do with building stout lines through the draft and letting them develop.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Knapp should be expecting the next flight out of Oakland! There has been absolutely no progression in this offense during the season! He makes these brash and direct comments to save his ass from being fired! If Allen and McK bring him back next season, we will continue to go NOWHERE! We need to move on from this disasterous season and it starts with evaluating the performance of players and coaches! Measured results tell the story, not the week-after-week BS we hear from Knapp and others who will need a job after this season!
December 14th, 2012 at 11:21 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:12 am
For those interested, RGIII did release a statement regarding Rob Parker’s comments about his “Blackness”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY2kJ96jNY
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Thank you for proving my point
mocking black consciousness or Afrikan identity is made readily available for mass consumption. The clowns that do this are rewarded handsomely for this betrayal.
This teaches our youth to hate themselves.
This will always get a national platform.
Any black man that introduces constructive dialog will be silenced or killed
December 14th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:21 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:12 am
For those interested, RGIII did release a statement regarding Rob Parker’s comments about his “Blackness”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY2kJ96jNY
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Thank you for proving my point
mocking black consciousness or Afrikan identity is made readily available for mass consumption. The clowns that do this are rewarded handsomely for this betrayal.
This teaches our youth to hate themselves.
This will always get a national platform.
Any black man that introduces constructive dialog will be silenced or killed
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Huh? No one silenced or killed MC Stab Master Arson
December 14th, 2012 at 11:26 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am
david shaw get’s the most out of his talent, understands the raider tradition, and get’s us back a physical brand of football.
david shaw is the answer
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I would agree. But knowing this is one of the most dysfunctional situations in all of sports and Shaw’s record is impeccable, why would Shaw come here knowing he is in a very good situation as it is and would get his pick of offers?
December 14th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Play Leinhart, Pryor, Goodson, and other subs to determine what we have for next season! At this point I’d rather take losses and give others playing time to determine potential, desire and ability to make plays! Big names with high price-tags (DMC) are better off saving themselves for job interviews next season!
December 14th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:26 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:44 am
david shaw get’s the most out of his talent, understands the raider tradition, and get’s us back a physical brand of football.
david shaw is the answer
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I would agree. But knowing this is one of the most dysfunctional situations in all of sports and Shaw’s record is impeccable, why would Shaw come here knowing he is in a very good situation as it is and would get his pick of offers?
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This situation seems pretty good for a Coach. Can make any decision you want and have a pass for it no matter the level of competence.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Just like many predict that we have guys who will be cut in the offseason who probably won’t be in the NFL next year, I hope DA sees that Knapp wouldn’t fetch an OC job in the NFL next year also.
I know the league is a fraternity and HCs will give a fired guy a job so that guy could save face. So knapp might be a QB coach for a team and polish those backups footwork. But he will not be an OC for anyone next year.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:35 am
DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:19 am
just 5 minutes with a schyytbag like this…5 min…
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1 sec and a .45
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I guess if you want to be a teacher you are going to have to get arms training and a coceal carry. That is the only way to stop these shvtbags.
Is our own Government doing this to support the gun control agenda? Think about it there are some interesting facts out there.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Charlie Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Please read my post carefully:
“There is not anyone in the NFL that thinks the Raiders have the talent to compete. That is why you will not get veteran coaches to come here.”
Why did Carrol go to Seattle. They already had talent.
Why did Peyton go to the Broncos. They already had talent.
Why Schiano (Not aproven NFL talent but I assume you mean winning at some level) to the Bucs. They had talent.
Why Fisher to the Rams. They had talent.
You proved my point.
WE HAVE THE MOST ERODED DLINE IN THE LEAGUE. OLD, OVERPAID
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Actually one could say by looking at the Rams… on the surface “Well… here we have a 2-14 team…and now we have a 6-6-1 team in short order that just beat the SB favorite…and tied them on the road two weeks prior to that. Wow. Must be the coaching”.
The Rams acquired 3 key free agents and have 4 of their draft picks starting and making an impact.
I say if Reggie knows what he’s doing he can make a similar turnaround. Why not? Why continue to give excuse after excuse on why we CAN’T do something?
If u say “Well they have Bradford and we have Palmer..big difference”. The only difference is Palmer is actually BETTER than Bradford statistically…MUCH better.
We already have more wins than the Rams did last season and we can’t expect that someone who knows what they are doing can’t turn it around..at least to .500 and competitive like the Rams? I don’t buy it.
Please don’t say that the Rams record was a “mirage” and they were really much better. They were 2-14…PERIOD. If they really had talent and depth and all those things that would appeal to the great (although ring-less) Jeff Fisher, than they would not have gone 2-14. Talented teams don’t go 2-14, i don’t care how many injuries they have.
I believe that our team currently is in much need of talent, but I also believe we need quality people to get the best out of the guys we DO have and that the right people can turn things around as quickly as that legendary organization known as the St. Louis Rams.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:44 am
We are not only in need of talent..but good coaching as well.
It’s a double whammy.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:45 am
DaRaiders022 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Play Leinhart, Pryor, Goodson, and other subs to determine what we have for next season! At this point I’d rather take losses and give others playing time to determine potential, desire and ability to make plays! Big names with high price-tags (DMC) are better off saving themselves for job interviews next season!
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There is NO reason to play Lionheart, none what so ever. TP or bust.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Imo, a number of these shootings are coordinated, planned. Not every one of them, but a number of them. The bilderberg/rockerfeller types who control the world, trying to remove the right to bear arms from america especially as a precursor to stricter population control and slavery.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Charlie,
I agree with you on building the lines, but I don’t think it has to take a COMPETENT gm years and years to improve it, especially when there have been much ours that have done so.
Our o-line could be much worse. GB wins and wins and wins yet Aaron Rodgers has been sacked more than anybody this yr. The Bears and Cutler have slipped in recent weeks but are still at 8-5 and he’s getting hammered on a regular basis.
Everyone says Palmer is so immobile but he has only been sacked a minimal amount of times and it’s not like he has a lightning quick release.
Our o-line could use some help but it is nowhere near the worst..and can be fixed with a couple of wise moves.
The D line? Well..we need some work there definitely, but it is not totally devoid of talent either.
A “quality” GM can make the moves neccessary to improve things quickly.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
The more you paid a player the more insolents we get from him. And the less prodution, they become stuborn and lazy
And refuse to listen, see they are already rich so who cares attitude. Until we say enough. !
December 14th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
RAIDERS new contracts must Quote by games played !
Seymour you play 6 games –we PAID for 6 !
Not for 16 games.
Seymour / Say no more….. Close your checkbook -MARK !
December 14th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Reading Tarver’s press conferance the Only thing I agree with him is that RAIDERS change coaches to often and that a system must be in place for at least 1 year to work !
Knapp is also hiddin in the Smoke too !
December 14th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Reggie – must sit behind close curtains with film projector like the Wizzard of Oz and say :
Not so fast – not so fast ! Sign my contract if you want to play!
” YOU FILTHY ANIMALS ”
AN EYE FOR EYE …… AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH!
No more Out of Wack contracts . . .
December 15th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Same old excuse any loser gives…”it takes time”. uhh no, not always. (yeah it does in oakland for some darn reason). All Hue needed was a respectable defense and the Rayduz easily win the division in 2011 at atleast 11-5 but noooooo Mark-ass-Davis hires Reggie “i believe in my own hype” Mckenzie who then seems to feel DA’s no experience is a better fit than Hue’s explosive offense(and he barely was getting started). Then Jason “swiss cheese D” Tarver, ok no need to divulge there. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 15th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Sean Peyton available?? Get him as head coach if so. He didnt want to work for Al so he wound up in new orleans and look where they went. with all due respect, Al is gone now. Put DA back on D. They worked together before with success
December 15th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
129.In the draft we have to get one of these four guys with our 1st rounder:
DE Moore Tex A&M
DT Loutulelie (sp) Utah
LB Teo ND
LT Joeckle (sp) Tex A&M
If we don’t get one of those four, then trade down. Period.
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RM illuded to the need of a speed rusher. Yet we need to trade down to get more picks. The answer is none other than:
JD Clowney DE Gamecocks 6′6″ 256 4.6 40