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Coordinators Knapp, Tarver expect leap in production next season

The burning question on the minds of many is, why take a Raiders offense that last season finished ninth in average yards and per game and 15th in average points per game and install a new blocking scheme and playbook?
To which, Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said: That’s a “good question; a question worth asking.”
In short, Knapp said, because you teach what you know best, and his system has a track record of working well.
The key is patience. Knapp and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver said their schemes are sound, but they take time to implement and for the players to learn. Bringing back as many players as possible from this year’s team and giving them a year to adjust are going to pay huge dividends.
“I’m a firm believer in the scheme,” Knapp said Thursday. “I’ve been to too many places and had too much experience to know it’s a very productive scheme. Like it is for anywhere you go, when coaching changes occur you want the coaches who are the teachers to teach what they know best. If you do that with the coaches, they’re going to have answers for the issues that come up in the system.”
Knapp said his history in retooling offenses shows that players need a year or so to get acclimated but, once they’re up to speed, good things happen.
“Every place I’ve been to, it’s usually going to take at least a year’s transition time to get everything taught … ,” Knapp said. “If you take a business structure and you make those changes, it’s going to take a year’s time to process everything and learn it. Once they master it, you can add to it. Right now, it’s taking some time.”
When posed the same question, why change the offense? Raiders coach Dennis Allen said he, too, is a firm believer in what Knapp is doing.
“There’s been a lot of change, and when there is a lot of change, sometimes you don’t get the results that you’re looking for right away,” Allen said. “But when you believe in something, and you stick to it and you know it’s the right plan, it ends up working out.”
Next season is when the Raiders can expect those results, Knapp said. And how is that going to manifest itself?
“More consistency and higher scoring points,” Knapp said, “because we’re not able to keep those drives long enough right now to get the points on the board. So, by keeping the system in place and keeping the bulk of the players here, now we keep the drives alive and we get our point total up into the mid-20s, and that’s what we want to be.
“If you’re in the mid-20s to high 20s, you’re going to be in the top 10 of the league in scoring, and that’s ultimately what has to happen. To get 11 guys on the same page, you need some reps and experience together and with a year’s offeseason work of that and a better offseason system, the performance level usually goes up the next season.”
In Knapp’s second season as offensive coordinator in three previous stops, his team’s scoring dropped by an average of 1.1 points per game and an average of 4.5 yards per game in Year 2.
Tarver said, “I want it now,” when asked about the time it takes to get a scheme at peak performance. “It’s a now business.”
At the same time, he said, the players are getting better as the season progresses, which is an encouraging sign that they are grasping the scheme.
“With the change of personnel, now they’re realizing what the scheme can do for them,” Tarver said. “It’s been good. With a year under our belts and keeping as many of these guys as we can, it’ll grow big time.”
Cornerback Michael Huff boasted of the Raiders having a top-five defense this season. He now says that the defense has a “long way to go” before it’s where it needs to be.
Bringing back as many players as possible is paramount.
“You want to keep a lot of the same guys there, especially in the secondary because it’s all really communication, talking and making sure everybody is on the same page,” Huff said.
Veteran defensive end Andre Carter said he understands how people might question the merit of bringing back the same scheme and many of the same players, given the lack of success this season.
However, he said he, too, has seen the value of continuity during the course of his long NFL career.
“I’ve had eight defensive coordinators in my career,” Carter said. “Learning the scheme takes a lot of time. The first year, yeah it’s tough. It’s all growing pains and you learn as you go. Coming into that second year, the comfort level is a little bit better, the communication is a little better and the execution is so different.
“This year is just a level for the growth and development of the younger guys, as well as the vets trying to adapt the new scheme and philosophy.”

– Middle linebacker Rolando McClain declined an interview request after practice.
McClain said, “Coach covered everything you could ask me. I ain’t got nothing to say about anything,” when asked if he wanted to speak with the media.
McClain, of course, was referencing Allen saying he and McClain had a talk Wednesday, at which time Allen outlined for McClain what he expected from him the rest of this season and beyond.
McClain was suspended for two games by the Raiders for conduct detrimental to the team. He returned from his suspension Monday as the Raiders backup middle linebacker and special teams player.

– Allen said defensive tackle Richard Seymour suffered a “setback” in his return from a hamstring injury.
Seymour missed the past five games as a result of the injury. He practiced Monday for the first time since he suffered the injury Nov. 4.
“We’ll evaluate him as we finish out the week, but I thought he practiced well yesterday and then early today,” Allen said. “It kind of grabbed him a little bit, so we’ll see.”

– Strong safety Tyvon Branch missed practice today for the third straight day this week. However, there is hope that he might be able to rebound in time to play Sunday against the Kansas City Chiefs.
“He was on the side working out with the trainers,” Allen said. “I’m hopeful that we’ll be able to get him out here and practice a little bit tomorrow. His mind-set is he wants to play this weekend.”

– The Raiders received an extension from the league in hopes of selling enough tickets by day’s end Friday to avoid the Chiefs game being blacked out.
The Raiders need to sell at least 85 percent of the tickets for the game to be televised locally. Typically, when the Raiders ask for an extension, the game winds up being televised.
Six of Oakland’s first seven regular-season home games this season were televised locally. The Browns game is the only one that was blacked out.

– Allen and general manager Reggie McKenzie said they want to get a good look at young players such as quarterback Terrelle Pryor, offensive lineman Tony Bergstrom and defensive linemen Christo Bilukidi and Jack Crawford the final three games.
That remains the plan, Allen said, just don’t expect any of those guys to start.
“I don’t see any real major changeups as far as the starting lineup’s concerned, but we do want to see some of these guys get in some game action,” Allen said. “And how much that is, I don’t know exactly right now. A lot of that, the game will dictate what that is.”

– Young players that don’t figure to get much playing time the rest of the way are tight ends Richard Gordon and David Ausberry.
From the sound of it, they don’t factor much into the Raiders long-term plans, either.
“We’ve had a chance to look at these guys a little bit,” Allen said, “and we kind of know what we’ve got in these guys. They’re still in the lineup and they’ll still be used pretty much the same way we’ve used them.”
That means a handful of offensive snaps and the rest on special teams. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of either player moving forward.

– Looks as if it’s full systems go for running back Darren McFadden, who is doing much better in his return from an aggravated ankle injury than many might have expected.
How’s Darren looked all week?
“Darren’s been great,” Allen said. “He’s been great all week. I haven’t noticed anything where he’s had any issues at all. So, I’m really kind of expecting him to be full go.”

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  • I.E.Raider909

    If there are no major changes to coaching staff and players I will not watch any games next season!! I have two family members who stopped watching the raiders last season they look so much younger and less stressed!!! LOL just saying

  • Marks hair

    I wanna see nothing but paper bag heads on sunday..

    The aklan raiers…. no o or d…

  • Marks hair

    Krapp is historicly worse in yr 2 as his playcalling is even more predictible to his peers.. i am not excited

  • The_Judge37

    601.I.E.Raider909 Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:33 am
    If there are no major changes to coaching staff and players I will not watch any games next season!! I have two family members who stopped watching the raiders last season they look so much younger and less stressed!!! LOL just saying
    ———-

    I didn’t stop watching games (Guess i’m a Masochist), but i stopped letting them ruin my entire week about 4 weeks ago. But i think that had to do with my frustration peaking. Or at least i thought it peaked until Greg Knapp speaks. Just reading his comments make me want to punch him in the face, god help me if i had to hear his voice also.

  • Dakota

    570.Whats a Drexl? Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 7:41 am
    Who the hell was the reporter that let Knapp spout this ass backwards reversal of a message anyway.

    Crappiest Raids reporting for years.

    Wheres Cork to get all fired up and in the face of the HC, like he used to pull on Hue. Freaking boot licker.

    ++++++++++++++++

    I am glad the reporter just let Knapp drone on….maybe this will be a wake up call for Mark Davis to understand that the people he put in place to run the Raiders ACTUALLY believe that the status quo is fine.

  • Dakota

    602.Marks hair Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:33 am
    I wanna see nothing but paper bag heads on sunday..

    The aklan raiers…. no o or d…

    +++++++++++++++

    LMFAO!

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:07 am
    577.Marks hair Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:04 am
    Now we have to keep all the coaches and the bulk of the players or will get a whole new round of excuses why we look bad next year too
    ——-

    Exactly, the Major Roster turnover that is expected will mean Knapp and Co. will need another year to teach what can’t be taught in OTA’s, Training camp and Preseason.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    An interesting if depressing point.

    Knapp says we’ll have a “leap in production” next year because the players will be more used to the system and yet from what we hear there will be considerable turnover.
    Yet we know that many of these players will probably be gone.

    We know McClain won’t be here and neither will Seymour and I hear Kelly won’t be too. As for the secondary, some considerable turnover is needed.

    Maybe what Knapp means by a “leap in production” is winning five or six games instead of three or four.

  • The_Judge37

    602.Marks hair Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:33 am
    I wanna see nothing but paper bag heads on sunday..

    The aklan raiers…. no o or d…
    ——

    No reason to embarass ourselves like Detroit and Cleveland fans used to. Rather just no one show up.

    LOL on the aklan Raiers though

  • Dakota

    595.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:23 am
    Charlie Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:18 am
    EXLA
    Exactly correct. See my post #562.
    The Raiders also had leaders/coaches on the field.
    A situation like McClain never would have gotten to Madden let alone the media back in the day. Willie Brown, Art and Gene Upshaw would have taken Rolando off to the side for a “conversation”. Problem solved.
    ———

    Not just Team leaders but Coaches themselves. If McClain stepped up to Tom Cable like that, he’d be eating through a straw.

    ___________________

    I doubt it….Cable only picks on women and guys he has 150 lbs on.

  • The_Judge37

    605.Dakota Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:36 am
    570.Whats a Drexl? Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 7:41 am
    Who the hell was the reporter that let Knapp spout this ass backwards reversal of a message anyway.

    Crappiest Raids reporting for years.

    Wheres Cork to get all fired up and in the face of the HC, like he used to pull on Hue. Freaking boot licker.

    ++++++++++++++++

    I am glad the reporter just let Knapp drone on….maybe this will be a wake up call for Mark Davis to understand that the people he put in place to run the Raiders ACTUALLY believe that the status quo is fine.
    ———

    Mark Davis doesn’t get a wake up call until around 1pm. And that’s only after the Tylenol PM’s wear off from a 3 day coke binge.

  • The_Judge37

    Not just Team leaders but Coaches themselves. If McClain stepped up to Tom Cable like that, he’d be eating through a straw.

    ___________________

    I doubt it….Cable only picks on women and guys he has 150 lbs on.
    ————-

    Well i’m almost Certain RoMac is a B!tch, and he plays like he’s 150lbs.

  • Charlie

    PA
    Near Philly. You?

    Guys.
    Last year we had a team that at years end was way over the cap. In addition, we had no first or second round picks.

    Bush, Satele, Wimbley all wanted more than we could remotely afford given our cap circumstance AS WELL AS WHAT WE ANTICIPATED THEIR CONTRIBUITION WOULD BE!!!!!
    THAT LAST POINT IS IMPORTANT.
    Further, none of those guys leaving represented any cap hit.
    If DMAC leaves he would hit our cap and we still had to pay Bush!!!

    Reggie got rid of Routt because he was a horrible presence in the locker room as well as a poor producer. We had big cap hits coming with Seymour (NOT REGGIE’S DOING) AND Kelly (NOT REGGIE’S DOING) so he opted for one more year with them since they at least showed up for work (Seymour?).
    Guys like Scott, Gundheim etc. were after thoughts that never produced against quality opponents.

    As I have said it will take till 2014 to sort this mess out.

  • Moose

    Knapp is just a bad play-caller everybody knows what he will call except him self

  • Dakota

    “aklan raiers….no O or D”

    That should be tattooed on Knapp and Tarver’s foreheads.

  • The_Judge37

    613.Moose Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:46 am
    Knapp is just a bad play-caller everybody knows what he will call except him self
    ———

    Stretch run left, stretch run right, Out Route short of the sticks, Punt.

  • Dakota

    611.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:42 am
    Not just Team leaders but Coaches themselves. If McClain stepped up to Tom Cable like that, he’d be eating through a straw.

    ___________________

    I doubt it….Cable only picks on women and guys he has 150 lbs on.
    ————-

    Well i’m almost Certain RoMac is a B!tch, and he plays like he’s 150lbs.

    +++++++++++

    Point taken.

  • Charlie

    Please do not be fooled by coach speak.

    Coaches can not say what they think to the media.
    As England points out, there will obviuously be significant personnel moves.
    Even Tarver slipped two weeks ago and referred to “player acquisition” as being needed for defensive improvement.

    Seymour, Kelly, McClain, Shaugnessy, Barnes, Carlisle will not be back.
    We will build the lines as much as possible with draft picks and see what we have on our roster or in FA for the secondary etc.

    You will be surprised how much better a secondary can look when the opposing QB is looking out of his earhole on throws.

  • Raider-in-PA

    Charlie… Im here in un-happy valley… PSU alumnus, but avid PSU football hater… I like the cheerleaders though….lol

  • bcz24

    J. Marshall made the Blitz work with Matt Gio at Saftey. He knew the best way to keep guys like Matt, Huff and Branch from getting burned in covereage was to send them on a blitz. What i can’t understand from this scheme his how they can’t get the timing right on their blitz. It’s frustrating to see 7 guys run into 5 blockers.
    ****************
    Gio didn’t play for Marshall, only Bres and Tarver

  • The_Judge37

    I’d rather have Hue running nothing but Fake Special Team plays then Knapp calling plays next year.

  • Dakota

    I knew we were in trouble the second Knapp was hired…..and then he declared we would use Palmer as a roll out QB…..and we would turn away from our successful power blocking scheme…..the dude as no fkin clue.

  • The_Judge37

    619.bcz24 Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:49 am
    J. Marshall made the Blitz work with Matt Gio at Saftey. He knew the best way to keep guys like Matt, Huff and Branch from getting burned in covereage was to send them on a blitz. What i can’t understand from this scheme his how they can’t get the timing right on their blitz. It’s frustrating to see 7 guys run into 5 blockers.
    ****************
    Gio didn’t play for Marshall, only Bres and Tarver
    ——-

    My Bad

  • DJ Johnny

    Greg Knapp proved without a doubt how bad he truly is with his lie infested presser.

    The Bleacher Report article was spot on and Christopher Hanson is one of the few on there i have some journalistic respect for cuz he actually knows something about this team and must watch us very closely.,,unlike alot of others who just regurgitate what they’ve read or heard from other sources.

    Notice how Knapp can’t remember what the Texans record was his first yr. “I think it was 6-10″ he says but i bet u he can recall vividly what his offensive ranking was in every category and he’s fully prepared to relate every single minor accomplishment he’s had over the years.

    He’s constantly defending with a myriad of excuses every single thing someone might associate with him.

    With this latest presser he’s finally been fully exposed for the fraud he is. It would be comical if it weren’t so freaking tragic.

    He says he’s pleased with the running game;s production the last 6 weeks, when earlier in his b.s infested diatribe he blamed his top two rb’s for the lack in production…forgetting that it was only when those injured players were out that the running game got better..you know those 6 weeks Knapp is “pleased” with?

    The fact that DA is “pleased” with Knapp is an indictment on DA.

  • The_Judge37

    I got no problem with Knapp trying to keep his job. WHo wouldn’t? It’s on Reggie to see his glaring mistake and correct it.

  • bcz24

    Actually texts from me to my brother last Thursday -

    Him – WTF? We haven’t gotten to a QB all year, but Tarver is blitzing safeties from 20 yards away on 3rd and 10?

    Me – LOL, it’s not as bad as Knapp still calling 5 yard crossing routes on 3rd and 10. 13 weeks in he still hasn’t realized that it’s ok to pass the sticks.

    Me (about 45 minutes later) Knapp just wanted to double check and make sure that 5 yard crossing route still worked on 3rd and 11… it does.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    another morning in Reggies bullsheyt raider vision…

  • bcz24

    Marshall was fantastic at getting our Safeties in the proper position to blitz though. We he dialed up a safety blitz it worked. When Bres and Tarver dial it up it also works… for the other team.

  • The_Judge37

    625.bcz24 Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:57 am
    Actually texts from me to my brother last Thursday -

    Him – WTF? We haven’t gotten to a QB all year, but Tarver is blitzing safeties from 20 yards away on 3rd and 10?

    Me – LOL, it’s not as bad as Knapp still calling 5 yard crossing routes on 3rd and 10. 13 weeks in he still hasn’t realized that it’s ok to pass the sticks.

    Me (about 45 minutes later) Knapp just wanted to double check and make sure that 5 yard crossing route still worked on 3rd and 11… it does.
    ——–

    LOL, My friend and I last thrus:

    Him on McFadden’s TD: Finally a Screen!!!

    Me: Enjoy, That was way too successful to be seen again.

  • The_Judge37

    Me (about 45 minutes later): FML

  • bcz24

    The fact that DA is “pleased” with Knapp is an indictment on DA.
    *************
    I doubt DA is actually pleased with Knapp. Reggie made it clear he isn’t firing anyone mid-season, so DA has to tow the party line.

    If DA says he is happy with Knapp in January, then this is a completely different story.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    Bcz24 Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:58 am
    Marshall was fantastic at getting our Safeties in the proper position to blitz though. We he dialed up a safety blitz it worked. When Bres and Tarver dial it up it also works… for the other team.

    its simple, if youre gonna blitz your corners need to be in press man, in zone the qb has a few seconds to pick his shot…he hasto hold on to theball a bit longer with press man

  • DJ Johnny

    The worst thing that came form the Knapp presser is not only do u have to question his honesty and integrity but also his ability….as if the numbers don’t already expose that. He comes off as clueless…because he is.

    I question his sanity quite frankly. He sounds like a nutbag to me.

    Knapp especially, but the whole org. should be embarrassed by that twisted mess of a presser which has fully exposed Knapp as well as indicted the entire org for putting Knapp in this vital position at an important time in the Raider organization’s history.

    Also, this post reads like it was NOT Reggie and DA deciding to go with the ZBS and then looking for the best guy available to run it for them, it was that DA wanted Greg Knapp period…and it just so happens he runs the ZBS.

    I get that you want guys you know to be around when undertaking a new venture, but to choose a lying, excuse making, self preserving, disingenuous schlep like Knapp speaks negatively on DA.

  • DMAC

    Morning/afternoon peoples!
    WTF is smoking Green party?!
    TGIF!!!!

    Can someone please be kind enough to sum up what Dumb and Dumber are talking about in the post? To lazy to read this morning.
    Thanx in advanced

  • Raider-in-PA

    DMAC its simple… Dick and head are proclaiming their systems take time for players to catch on and we should retain players so theyll have a chance to flourish next year… Basically BS!! Especially since the majority of the defense will (and better) not be around next year..

  • DMAC

    Thanx PA
    I kind of figure they would say some BS like that.

  • hwnrdr

    Fire, Fire…be back later

  • DMAC

    Lay flat and rolllllll brother

  • Raider-in-PA

    10-4 DMAC, time for them to ‘cover their a$$es’ for next year… Just hope DA and Reg see the real truth…

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Gruden isnt returning,..so the best plan is to stick it out with Allen and Knapp,..let Reggie get rid of about 30 more players,…starting with DMC,..make a deal for Alex Smith,…if no Gruden, cant make any coaching changes. Word.

  • Charlie

    DJ

    What do you want him to say? Half of our offense can not compete in the NFL?
    The last guy to say that was Callahan.

    Not going to happen.

    There is not anyone in the NFL that thinks the Raiders have the talent to compete. That is why you will not get veteran coaches to come here.

    We have the best you can get. Intelligent, process oriented coaches/teachers that realize this is a massive project.
    They have multiyear contracts for a reason. You are not taking 10 years of mismanagement and fixing it in one.

    Watch how smart these guys look when we get better players. Trouble is we do not have a full complement of picks till 2014.

    Not your comment but I see someone actually defending Marshall form last years meltdown. How memories fade.
    The PACKERS, Lions, Dolphins and Chargers shredded our defense last year. Yea it is Ryan’s fault, no Bresnahan, no Marshall no Tarver.
    Get a grip. Our players suck. Thank Mr Davis.

  • DMAC

    bcz24 Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Marshall was fantastic at getting our Safeties in the proper position to blitz though. We he dialed up a safety blitz it worked. When Bres and Tarver dial it up it also works… for the other team.
    =========

    True
    What is Marshall up do these days?

  • Al_is_theraiders

    the players do suck… especially the ones reggie brought in…next year he will bring in 30 more slow weak choir boys…

  • http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXj7I1RzLSE&feature=related exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    How can Allen be pleased? He is in way over his head. Not ready to be a head coach. That’s the bottem line and Exla says so!!!!!

  • DMAC

    Players aren’t very good, but the coaching staff is horrible!!!!!!!

    I’m tired of the excuses!!!!!!!

  • DJ Johnny

    I don’t want to get too into the Gruden thing but Arkush on the radio again took a call from a guy asking about Gruden’s coaching future Thurs.nite. The caller said he thinks Gruden will go to Philly and Hub responded that everyone seems to think so but the only problem is Gruden wants to have control of personnel and he (Hub) doesn’t think Philly will be willing to offer him that.

    Hub went on to say people think maybe Dallas, but that doesn’t make sense becuz Jerry Jones would never relinquish personnel control to the extent that Gruden would want.

    Hub said the only team he thinks that WOULD give him the control he wants is Oakland; which is why he has been saying he thinks it’s where he will end up.

    He made it a point to say that the Oakland thing is “by no means a done deal” but he again said that Gruden has met with Mark Davis in regard to this. He’s not backing off from that stance.

    Hub concluded that “No other organization is gonna be willing to offer Gruden the kind of control he wants except Oakland…” He continued “I could be wrong but I just don’t see it”.

    I’ve been on the side of being more than fine if Gruden came back to Oakland, but i personally have no expectation he will.

    I’m also not as convinced as Hub Arkush that Gruden IS coming back to coach in the NFL next yr. but Hub says he’s CERTAIN he is.

    We’ll see.

  • DMAC

    Reggie needs to man up and admit he fked up w/ his hiring of DA.
    All will be forgiven if he makes the right decision and brings in someone else.
    You learn from your mistakes.

  • 504 Raider

    Whats up Nation!!

    Our best hope for next year after reading that Knapp needs 5 years to hopefully get lucky and have the perfect RB fall into his lap, is if Mark Davis read the same thing.

    No way he is waiting 5 years for Knapp to hit the lotto… And DA would get fired for continuing to buy the tickets. Reggie gets fired for being the driver.

  • VonRidel

    “The burning question on the minds of many is, why take a Raiders offense that last season finished ninth in average yards and per game and 15th in average points per game and install a new blocking scheme and playbook?”

    Don’t ask Knapp that question. Ask Davis, Reggie, and Allen that question for hiring an offensive coordinator that was going to change the system that is going to take 2-3 years to implement when the Raiders had a good thing going already AND desperately needs a winning record after 10 years of crap being sold to the fans.

  • DJ Johnny

    639.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 9:22 am
    Gruden isnt returning,..so the best plan is to stick it out with Allen and Knapp,..let Reggie get rid of about 30 more players,…starting with DMC,..make a deal for Alex Smith,…if no Gruden, cant make any coaching changes. Word.

    I don’t think he is either. We have no choice but to embrace DA for at leat another year. Hopefully more, cuz if he stays for a 3rd then it means he was somewhat successful next season.

    Not very exciting but i’m getting used to it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Marks hair Says:
    December 14th, 2012 at 8:36 am
    Krapp is historicly worse in yr 2 as his playcalling is even more predictible to his peers.. i am not excited

    =====

    And this proves that he’s learning. The running game this year is SO bad with DMac that it can only get better next year with anyone else. With a two year plan, he can set the bar very low on year one and reverse the trend :-)