Raiders-Chiefs game will be televised
By Steve Corkran
Friday, December 14th, 2012 at 2:40 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Sunday’s game between the Raiders and Kansas City Chiefs will be televised locally, a Raiders spokesman said.
The Raiders on Thursday were granted a one-day extension in an effort to sell enough tickets to satisfy the league’s blackout policy. The Raiders reached the 85 percent threshold in time to avert a second blackout this season.
This marks the seventh time in eight games this season that the Raiders will be televised. The figure stands at 15 of 16 over the past two seasons.
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December 14th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Not the guns fault what happened today.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
If guns made us safe, we’d be the safest country in the world, wouldn’t we?
December 14th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
You have succeeded Bob. We now know how much you don’t care about the human beings around you.
No one will ever confuse you wit being an humanitarian.
It’s sad your such a negative, self-centered pos….
December 14th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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Truth.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Oh come on Raider E,…you mean before today you liked me?…lol
December 14th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
five year old kids!
December 14th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Old kell,..its sad about the kids,…but dont blame the gun, blame the dude who went off. Truth.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
I used to respect your stance, now I want you to at least have some respect for 20 INNOCENT CHILDREN.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
You have succeeded Bob. We now know how much you don’t care about the human beings around you.
No one will ever confuse you wit being an humanitarian.
It’s sad your such a negative, self-centered pos….
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That’s the key profile of these guys.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
I like guns, own guns, think theyre beautiful,…about to buy another one…gun sales will go up across the country due to todays news. More truth.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Raider E,..you need to know something,….I couldnt care less about your opinion.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Im heading to Harveys,…get a parlay card in.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Bob,
I like guns too. Taking trees down with my Mossburg. We are talking about kids, brotha….
You should care, that’s a demand homie….
December 14th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
I agree with JG2013 that gun sales will rise after today. And as I’ve posted before, that long post, gun control laws topic is a red-herring.
I disagree with JG2013 tho about a number of Raiders football related topics :p
December 14th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
If guns made us safe, we’d be the safest country in the world, wouldn’t we?
December 14th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Bob just needs his azz blown off his seat in row one to get it lol….
December 14th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Safe? Your kiddin’ right?
December 14th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
If gun sales go up after today it would be a great example of American stupidity.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
More BS from the coaches regarding Pryor. They are not going to give him a real good chance to be evaluated. If he’s not practicing with the 1st team, and starting multiple games, then what is the point of playing him. They are setting him up to fail.
On another note, check this video and article out on Chad Johnson. Its really heavy.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8744377/being-chad-kardashian
It’s Skip Bayless at his finest.
And lastly, Im loving the Lakers right now. They fire one coach and bring in another, and the results are the same. What is the common denominator? C’mon Raider fans. We should know this.
I just laugh because I remember that when we were all debating the coaching staff, many here used the Lakers as an example of what should happen to the current staff of the Raiders. You guys still think that its not the players?
December 14th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Anyone going to be tailgating at the game?
Been reading these blogs for years, but my phone never lets me post.
I’ll be going with my pops, my friend who’s a chargers fan and it’ll be my girl’s first raider game.
Sadly it has to be during a losing season, but a raider game is always fun.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Blaming guns for shooting sprees is like blaming forks for obesity.
If you think “gun control” is the problem, you are a fvcking moron.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
JONGRUDEN13,
Do you have kids, a family, a wife? You sound like a miserable person, someone who severely lacks any love or attention in your life. Tailgating with other Raider fans is your only means of suppressing your lonely life?
C’mon man. You’re the same person that came in here and was happy that NY got hit by the hurricane due to your affinity for joo’s. Have a little sense of respect and empathize with those parents who lost their CHILDREN.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
quote
the US gun death rate is distressingly high regardless of any philosophic position on gun control
/quote
Glad you brought this up, hit on this particular fact.
There is a very big problem, statistics back it up, between the USA and other nations (with or without gun control laws). Social violence is the real issue and the reasons, and possible methods and answers how to redress that, are a complex topic. But that is where the heart of the matter lies, and what requires much greater media/political/social-media focus and discussion…..not the issue of gun controls.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Oh I came at a bad time it seems.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Blaming guns for shooting sprees is like blaming forks for obesity.
If you think “gun control” is the problem, you are a fvcking moron.
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You can eat without a fork, you can’t go on a SHOOTING spree without a gun.
I get the point you were trying to make with the analogy but its obvious that killings won’t stop, it’s just a shame how easy it is.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
If guns made us safe, we’d be the safest country in the world, wouldn’t we?
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Well, it’s still safer here than, say, Republic of Congo. Today’s events are really fkd up. But in the bigger picture, 27 people out of 330 million is not that many. Even 8,000 per year out of 330 million is not that many. That’s 0.002% of the population.
Honestly, I worry more about someone running a red light and broadsiding me at a high rate of speed.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Blaming guns for shooting sprees is like blaming forks for obesity.
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The fork only kills the eater, dumbass.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
SilverLining20 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
If gun sales go up after today it would be a great example of American stupidity.
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Don’t underestimate American Stupidity. Fear of a gun ban will drive sales. Fear sells.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Well, it’s still safer here than, say, Republic of Congo
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Wow, what an analogy.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
You can eat without a fork, you can’t go on a SHOOTING spree without a gun.
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What about a KILLING spree
December 14th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
Don’t underestimate American Stupidity.
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Oh, there’s no end to that. People were issuing death threats on the alleged shooter’s (now believed to be his brother) Facebook page HOURS AFTER IT WAS REPORTED HE WAS ALREADY DEAD! Death threats against a dead guy. Man, we really are a stupid ass nation. Unreal.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Blaming guns for shooting sprees is like blaming forks for obesity.
If you think “gun control” is the problem, you are a fvcking moron.
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Truth.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
This stuff is just so damn disappointing it hard to believe this staff is this freakin dumb inept and incompetent. They just don’t have any imagination or forsight as how to put players on position to succeed. No intuition whatsoever how to manufacture scoring and productive offense.
I cannot understand what Reggie is thinking what is his opinion of what’s happening on the field. It is extremely frustrating to listen to the weekly excuses why something didn’t happen and what needs to change without any insight on how to make it change.
I don’t envy Mark Davis one bit what he must be feeling when he has to shell out 100’s of thousands of dollars to get this crap on TV only for the viewers to turn it off before bthe game is over. It must be absolutely maddening.
There was a time I absolutely loved the Raiders, I can honestly say that is no longer the case. I cannot explain it other than they just don’t move me like they used to. I don’t watch the games with any anticipation anymore it’s just basic football interest and the muscle memory takes affect. When they lose I’m more numb than mad because I don’t expect them to beat anyone. I feel like an abused kid who’s used to it and expects more to come and is resigned to that fact.
It is indeed a sick feeling that I want to define yet cannot I love the colors and the history but when I watch this present team it’s not the same I’m more of an observer than a participant so to speak. I used to stay up nights in anticipation now I almost forget what time the game starts.
All I can say is Mark if i feell that way guess what those who were already broderline are feeling. Is Reggie worth this to you? If so then OK!
But I expected more from you, much more in fact…
December 14th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
You can also go on a killing spree without a gun.
SMH at the pro-gun-controlers
December 14th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
You can eat without a fork, you can’t go on a SHOOTING spree without a gun.
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What about a KILLING spree
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I covered that in the rest of the comment.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Stricter gun laws will only weaken the law abiding citizen who want to protect themselves and strengthen the gangs & thugs who will get guns regardless of the law.
This what libtards like pres Hussein, KK, Seymour Bush, and MR cant get through their empty heads. The problem is the meltdown of our culture brought to you by the liberal left.
The end
December 14th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
If guns sales jumped after O bama got reelected, why wouldn’t it after this tragedy?
There is a surplus of idiots in America, as reflected by some bloggers on here
December 14th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Oh, btw…
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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Truth.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
SilverLining20 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
You can eat without a fork, you can’t go on a SHOOTING spree without a gun.
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What about a KILLING spree
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I covered that in the rest of the comment.
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LOL, i know, i think i’m just getting tired now, starting to sound troll like.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
You guys still discussing the Oakland Raiders and how incompetent Reggie, Knapp, Tarver, and DA are?
lol
Go Warriors!!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Oh, btw…
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
=-=-=–=-
Truth.
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I can give Reggie one more off season to correct his mistakes. Probably just because i can’t think of a better option though. He was supposed to be the sure thing for us.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
MistaBrown Says:
The problem is the meltdown of our culture brought to you by the liberal left.
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So the even more liberal societies in the UK, France, and Canada are just anomalies? This stuff ain’t happening there nearly as often.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
If guns made us safe, we’d be the safest country in the world, wouldn’t we?
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Well, it’s still safer here than, say, Republic of Congo. Today’s events are really fkd up. But in the bigger picture, 27 people out of 330 million is not that many. Even 8,000 per year out of 330 million is not that many. That’s 0.002% of the population.
Honestly, I worry more about someone running a red light and broadsiding me at a high rate of speed.
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Is this where we are now as a society? Really?
People killed by someone they don’t know who doesn’t know them and families ruined altered for life and we’re reacting as if it’s a late night movie.
Stop the world I want to get off….
December 14th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Stricter gun laws will only weaken the law abiding citizen who want to protect themselves and strengthen the gangs & thugs who will get guns regardless of the law.
This what libtards like pres Hussein, KK, Seymour Bush, and MR cant get through their empty heads. The problem is the meltdown of our culture brought to you by the liberal left.
The end
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Here’s another sociopathic idiot. Fear mongering idiots on the Right. Hateful.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
MistaBrown Says:
The problem is the meltdown of our culture brought to you by the liberal left.
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Please don’t start with that $h!t. THat absence is what kept this conversation civil compared to a Yahoo comment’s page.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
Is this where we are now as a society? Really?
People killed by someone they don’t know who doesn’t know them and families ruined altered for life and we’re reacting as if it’s a late night movie.
Stop the world I want to get off….
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You’re taking it the wrong way. I’m not being dismissive of what happened today. I’m just saying in a typical day, I don’t worry about someone just randomly shooting me nearly as much as I worry about some reckless or inattentive driver.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
I cant speak for other countries I dont live there. They dont have a divisive marxist race baiting pres do they? Have you seen Husseins union thugs after the right to work law? He hasn’t condoned their behavior one bit, therefore fueling it.
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RaidingTexas Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
So the even more liberal societies in the UK, France, and Canada are just anomalies? This stuff ain’t happening there nearly as often.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Oh, btw…
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
=-=-=–=-
Truth.
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I can give Reggie one more off season to correct his mistakes. Probably just because i can’t think of a better option though. He was supposed to be the sure thing for us.
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I was in the same boat, but if he were to remain, he should get 3-5 years, 1-2 is too few to plant a vision and allow it to grow.
However…I think Reggie has already shown he’s not the right hire. As others like Bob Marley etc have posted here fleshing out where Reggie’s gone wrong in much greater detail, i have little faith in him.
Continuity is important…as long as you have good continuity. If you make a mistake, quickly see it was a mistake, as Mark surely has, then as hard as it may be, backlash and all, better to be right than consistent.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Until it affects one of your family members, it’s not a problem.
The way of us Americans, reactive before preventive.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
So the nut case shot his mom at her home, and then went to the school where she was a teacher and went to her classroom and killed the kids.
Did the sick fk just believe his mom loved her students more than she loved him?
December 14th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
So MistaBrown, when are we getting that “Romney Landslide” you promised?
December 14th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Doesn’t matter we need to understand him, coddle him, nurture him.
-Sincerely
Libtards of America
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Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
So the nut case shot his mom at her home, and then went to the school where she was a teacher and went to her classroom and killed the kids.
Did the sick fk just believe his mom loved her students more than she loved him?
December 14th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
49. Well Reggie’s Forte was supposed to be in scouting. If he can recognize his mistake in Coach hiring, then there’s still hope for him. He already showed he can own up to bad signings with the release of Bartell. Could’ve done better in FA, like Finnegan. But no one hits homers all the time.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
All of a sudden libtards are for the death penalty today I bet. But next week they will recoil and fight for the rights of the sick & twisted murderers, terrorist, illegals, etc etc
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MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Until it affects one of your family members, it’s not a problem
December 14th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Didn’t he shoot his brother or father at home then go to the school and shoot his mother and all those innocent little kids?The story keeps changing.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Judge37 let this be a lesson to ya’ there aint no sure things of anything nor anyone. People are basically fragile and unpredictable.
A rookie GM is a frightening thing to me beccause i understand what’s involved. Reggie needs a a senior member to guide him in certain situations that was obvious when he let Mike Bush walk without a apparent backup. Everyone knew DMC was injury prone and was coming off an injury yet he let the one constant on offense walk.
Just very ignorant IMO…
December 14th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
On this sickening day I would like to point out that our government kills children on a daily basis, it is called collateral damage.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
My prayers go out to the families at the school. May the victems rest in peace and I will pray along with my 8 yr old daughter and wife for their souls tonight. But to think that this would not have happened with an assault weapon ban is moronic. Only law abiding citizens would be without protection. If someone wants to go off, they will find the means. Should we ban fertilizer because you can make explosives with it. Ban guns and only the bad will have them.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Stricter gun laws will only weaken the law abiding citizen
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And this turd knows something about being weak.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Judge37 let this be a lesson to ya’ there aint no sure things of anything nor anyone. People are basically fragile and unpredictable.
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I already learned that with Robert Gallery and Rolando McCLain. Goodson is a decent back up, he’s no Mike Bush but he’s not as expensive. I do understand we are limited by salary cap even if i don’t like it or agree with it.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
I’m all for the death penalty and owning guns in order to protect yourself, your family and assets.
Libtard? How old are you?
December 14th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Seymour/Raider Duck, whats a slobbering libtard like you want ? Just trolling ?
December 14th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
56.lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Didn’t he shoot his brother or father at home then go to the school and shoot his mother and all those innocent little kids?The story keeps changing.
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First he was 20, then he was 24, now he is 20 again…..first he shot his dad in NJ, now it is his brother……first he killed his mom at home, then in the classroom, now being reported at home again.
This stuff seems like basic information that the media should be able to get cleared up more than ____ hours after the shooting!
December 14th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
49. Well Reggie’s Forte was supposed to be in scouting. If he can recognize his mistake in Coach hiring, then there’s still hope for him. He already showed he can own up to bad signings with the release of Bartell. Could’ve done better in FA, like Finnegan. But no one hits homers all the time.
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Good point. This is why Reggie should at least get 3-5. The effects of good/bad scouting takes time. However, if Reggie whatsoever supports and/or lobbies for the retention of Allen/Knapp/Tarver he is immediately the wrong GM.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Then you are not a libtard. Libtards dont agree with any of that, in fact you are a threat and shall be demonized.
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MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
I’m all for the death penalty and owning guns in order to protect yourself, your family and assets.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Open letter from a citizen of a large country withsome of the SCRICTEST guns laws in the world….(also #2 highest death rate with firearms):
It is interesting that the CDC Study on firearms deaths in the world
mentions Brazil as the second country in firearms death rate.
Our country has one of the most rigid gun laws in the world. A true
nightmare.
Since 1936 all firearms must be registered. No handguns with
ammunition more powerfull than .38 Special (9mm Short for pistols)
are allowed for civilians. Rifles and carbines are only allowed if they
fire handgun ammunition (the only center fire rifle cartridge allowed
is the vintage .44-40 WCF).
No center fire semi-automatic long gun (rifled or smooth bore) is
permited. Black powder muzzle loading guns are considered
firearms like any other and subject to the same rules.
A Brazilian citizen must not have, at any given time, more than two
handguns, two rifled long guns and two shotguns. Only shooters or
collectors registered within the Brazilian Army may have more guns
than this figures.
Citizens are not allowed to buy more than one gun per year.
Reloading is permited only for shooters belonging to a shooting
club and reloadind supplies are strictly controlled by the Brazilian
Army. Only trough the club is possible to buy reloading supplies.
If one is caught with a gun without a permit, it doesn’t matter if it
was being carried or just transported (a registered gun unloaded
and locked inside a box, for instance) – it is a crime and one can
face two years in jail for that (four years if it was a forbidden gun).
Permits for transportation must be obtained at the central police
office downtown and it usually takes a week to be ready.
Officialy carry permits do exist, but is very difficult to get one
(there is a black market for concealed carry licences).
Gun stores are not allowed to sell second hand firearms and taxes
on guns sales are the highest in the world (81%).
Waiting periods for registration average 30 days, but in Rio de
Janeiro state it could reach 3 month.
Obviously, all these controls have lead for a huge black market.
Brazil is one of the few places in the world where one can buy
an illegal handgun cheaper than in gun stores (about one third of
the price for a Brazilian made revolver).
In the neighboring countries there are gangs specialised in
smuggling guns through Brazilian borders. Brazilian drug gang
members carry AR15, M16, SIG 551, HKG3 and AK47 – they
have no problems in gettings these weapons. It is quite common
to see them using tracer bullets in their shootings (also
forbidden for Brazilian citizens).
If one still believes in gun control, Brazil’s example is worth
examining.
Leonardo Arruda
Director of the
Brazilian Gun Collectors Assn. (ABCA)
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Additional comment by Steve Kendrick of Cybershooters UK.
Interesting, huh? Note in a UN study Brazil was top of the list
for firearm-related deaths. I remember there are some exceptions
from the calibre limits for target shooters and a very small number
of people who need more powerful rifles for destruction of certain
animals. How many times do we have to say it?
GUN LAWS DON’T WORK
If they were going to, they would have worked by now.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
56.lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Didn’t he shoot his brother or father at home then go to the school and shoot his mother and all those innocent little kids?The story keeps changing.
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First he was 20, then he was 24, now he is 20 again…..first he shot his dad in NJ, now it is his brother……first he killed his mom at home, then in the classroom, now being reported at home again.
This stuff seems like basic information that the media should be able to get cleared up more than ____ hours after the shooting!
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Blame the constant need for media outlets having the latest and greatest breaking news. Who cares if the details are wrong as long as their viewers see it first.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
I cant speak for other countries I dont live there. They dont have a divisive marxist race baiting pres do they? Have you seen Husseins union thugs after the right to work law? He hasn’t condoned their behavior one bit, therefore fueling it.
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These dummies get this on Hate Radio all day everyday.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
The state controlled media is only good at licking Husseins boots and carrying his water. Anything beyond that is hit & miss.
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Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
56.lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Didn’t he shoot his brother or father at home then go to the school and shoot his mother and all those innocent little kids?The story keeps changing.
______________
First he was 20, then he was 24, now he is 20 again…..first he shot his dad in NJ, now it is his brother……first he killed his mom at home, then in the classroom, now being reported at home again.
This stuff seems like basic information that the media should be able to get cleared up more than ____ hours after the shooting!
December 14th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Media attempts to put the pieces together while professionals are doing the work which isn’t accomplished in 2-3 hrs. Crime scene is basically a whole school with numerous witnesses. Insane.
All the children who had to witness it as well will be traumatized forever.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
What do you get on mediamatters, the huff post, cnn, msnbc? Mush mind!
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KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
These dummies get this on Hate Radio all day everyday.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
49. Well Reggie’s Forte was supposed to be in scouting. If he can recognize his mistake in Coach hiring, then there’s still hope for him. He already showed he can own up to bad signings with the release of Bartell. Could’ve done better in FA, like Finnegan. But no one hits homers all the time.
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Good point. This is why Reggie should at least get 3-5. The effects of good/bad scouting takes time. However, if Reggie whatsoever supports and/or lobbies for the retention of Allen/Knapp/Tarver he is immediately the wrong GM.
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I agree. Any retention of this staff is a failure to recgonize fault. I’d like an impulse firing of Knapp just because, but won’t ask for too much.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Didn’t he shoot his brother or father at home then go to the school and shoot his mother and all those innocent little kids?The story keeps changing.
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That’s the way I read it………..can’t even imagine what those people are going thru. I couldn’t help but cry thinking about my nieces and nephews friends and the like. How can you hear about this and not devastated? those were innocent children……
December 14th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
what a bunch of losers using this blog as a social medium.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
First he was 20, then he was 24, now he is 20 again…..first he shot his dad in NJ, now it is his brother……first he killed his mom at home, then in the classroom, now being reported at home again.
This stuff seems like basic information that the media should be able to get cleared up more than ____ hours after the shooting!
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He had his older brother’s ID on him, thats why the name and age were wrong
December 14th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
I cant speak for other countries I dont live there. They dont have a divisive marxist race baiting pres do they? Have you seen Husseins union thugs after the right to work law? He hasn’t condoned their behavior one bit, therefore fueling it.
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Someone with a hatred like this, feels justified to kill.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Reggie’s record as GM
3-13
Go Warriors!
December 14th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
What we need to do (and coincedentially what they do in many of the countries Kook points to) is start taking care of our people.
Prioritze the people and not corporations.
Culturally we are a wayward ship. Need to foster inter-dependance, not independance and not this horrible co-dependence on our tragically inefficient institutions.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
When Al was the GM, he was rightfully to blame for everything under his sphere of control. He got dragged over the coals for everything.
Reggie rightfully deserves blame for the absolute train-wreck that 2012 was, him being the Commander in Chief of the Football Operations.
Everything from actual hires and decisions made (scouting dept, coaches, players), to the sitting on his hands as the train-wreck worsened in November, to the back-tracking in recent PC, and out-and-out BS that Allen/Knapp/Tarver say whom he says he supports.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Well,we know it wasn’t his brother.He is now being questioned.It is being reported this guy had a mental disorder.That addresses one of the problems.He should have been institutionalized,but we are closing all the mental hospitals where these type of people used to be because they cost too much.The problem in this country is the all mighty dollar is more important than human lives.Just ask our Supreme Court.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
The guns were owned by the deceased mother.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
I wonder if the shooter was a internet troll? I wouldn’t doubt it.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
I understand the uproar on gun violence in light of the events in conn. that was a disgusting act to be sure.
However violence against children seems to be the amrikkkan way. After all the first thing so called explorers did when they arrived was to start killing people and it included children.
we dont have to recount the horrors of many Afrikkan children murdered at the hand of gun wielding blue blooded amerikkkans.
oscar grant and trayvonne martin are also stark reminders of what guns can do to youth in the wrong hands.
Honestly this is par for the course, or what malcolm x said “the chickens coming home to roost”
sick and repulsive, yet not surprising
December 14th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
80. Yeah, too bad so many are still willing to blame this on Al. The blame is pretty equal at this point.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
I think Reggie’s handling of the draft/fa/personnel has been much better than his hiring of coaches.
Not saying much though…
December 14th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
YES!!! the raiders-chiefs will be televised..now we can all see who the weakest team in the league is! (sarcasm)
December 14th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
56.lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Didn’t he shoot his brother or father at home then go to the school and shoot his mother and all those innocent little kids?The story keeps changing.
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First he was 20, then he was 24, now he is 20 again…..first he shot his dad in NJ, now it is his brother……first he killed his mom at home, then in the classroom, now being reported at home again.
This stuff seems like basic information that the media should be able to get cleared up more than ____ hours after the shooting!
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It is the media…just like the Columbine shooting. Many of those stories were made up.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/17/columbine-massacre-gun-crime-us
December 14th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
The guns he used belonged to his mom. Killed by the weapons you legally purchased. Wow, what a shame.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
223 Bushmaster rifle and 2 pistols leagally register to the mother.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
My cousin is an employee in the Mall in Ore, and could have easily been a victim. This is getting closer and closer to home. To not be alarmed and affected by it. Check your pulse and rethink how you view mankind.No ones life is disposable. These kids didn’t have a chance to protect themselves nor have anyone else do so.
This world has gone way off the tracks this is a disaster of epic proportions worse than anything I can think of in history. Because they were children….
December 14th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
223 Bushmaster rifle and 2 pistols leagally register to the mother.
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Not surprised. Guns in the home are usually used on people in the home. Not burgulars.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
players that i think have to go..
palmer
mcfadden
barnes
kelley
seymour
mccain
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and who starts at QB next year?
December 14th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
heavens population spiked today…hell got one of their own back.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Ive read these blogs daily but very rarely chime in,but today is different.The fact is Al god rest his soul left this team in a mess.So many underachieving over paid players killed this team.Im so sick of our team losing year in and out but i think we got to let the new regime do what they think is best and see what happens we all know it cant get much worse.As far as the no football discussion about gun control well right know i cant comment because about 40 minutes away from me in Connecticut some sick punk killed 26 people 18 of them kindergarten kids.prays go out to thier families
December 14th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Seymour/Raider Duck, whats a slobbering libtard like you want ? Just trolling ?
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We’re two different people, genius.
Then again, what can you expect from the same person who predicted a…a….a…”Romney Landslide”?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
December 14th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Poprox13 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
players that i think have to go..
palmer
mcfadden
barnes
kelley
seymour
mccain
______________
and who starts at QB next year?
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wee have a 1 and 3 in the draft (washington anybody?)
and there is some descent fa’s out there.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
All you libtards that are up in arms today didn’t give 1 toot when Fast & Furious killed our border agent.
Ditto for the Ambassador in Benghazi…
#selective outrage
December 14th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
our team is young..stop all this veteran stop-gap solutions, get a young keeper and let him grow with our young wr’s and team.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
wee have a 1 and 3 in the draft (washington anybody?)
and there is some descent fa’s out there.
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Which QB do you think we can draft that could come in and start? As far as fa’s I dont see anything better than what we already have.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
“I know I’ll be a tiny bit nervous,” Pryor said. “I haven’t played in awhile. Just pray through it and go out and do what I do. Progressions, no turnovers, have fun and smile. That’s it, at the end of the day. And Monday, learn, whether I did good or bad.”
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Now that’s an attitude that I like.
Do it like Snake kid.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
All you libtards that are up in arms today didn’t give 1 toot when Fast & Furious killed our border agent.
Ditto for the Ambassador in Benghazi…
#selective outrage
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very true.
reason we are outraged is because we are one of the safest countries (along with are genuine caring of humanity), this stuff happens all the time all over the world, ask the kids in n korea.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
All you libtards that are up in arms today didn’t give 1 toot when Fast & Furious killed our border agent.
Ditto for the Ambassador in Benghazi…
#selective outrage
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20, Five year old kids, you dumbass sociopath.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
“I know I’ll be a tiny bit nervous,” Pryor said. “I haven’t played in awhile. Just pray through it and go out and do what I do. Progressions, no turnovers, have fun and smile. That’s it, at the end of the day. And Monday, learn, whether I did good or bad.”
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Now that’s an attitude that I like.
Do it like Snake kid.
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Like the Snake? You mean reading the Playbook with the light of the Jukebox?
December 14th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Wow, so this Ryan Lanza was not the shooter, it was his younger brother?
Tragic day for him too.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
I had young man on Wednesday morning do something so scary and horrifying it took d@mn near all day for my adrenaline to subside:
I was walking my kids to the school bus they pick up in front of the elementary school down the street from my house. They had just boarded the bus as I turned to go retrieve the dog from the boundary of the school property. Some young man in a 3/4ton pickup comes barelling into the school zone doing about 30mph (speed limit=15mph). I saw this and gave him the “Slow Down” hand gesture as he passed by me.
He saw me and decided to FLOOR his 9000# truck belching black diesel smoke all over the crosswalks in front of the school. He got up to about 45mph before he nearly slammed into the back of a parent’s SUV who had pulled back on the road.
I was so mad I would have maimed this fella had I a chance to.
Local sherrif office hung up on me while transfering me to another sub-station, supposedly.
This is what this country has come to. Selfish, unimaginable immaturity at the wheels of their outside world insulating cocoons…
December 14th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
KK can you stop the name calling you are a 60yr old man in diapers talking like a 12yr old off his prozac.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
All you libtards that are up in arms today didn’t give 1 toot when Fast & Furious killed our border agent.
Ditto for the Ambassador in Benghazi…
#selective outrage
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very true.
reason we are outraged is because we are one of the safest countries (along with are genuine caring of humanity), this stuff happens all the time all over the world, ask the kids in n korea.
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Hug your children tonight and thank GOD you still have a Christmas to celebrate…..
December 14th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
115.radrntn Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
i am beginning to think Dennis Allen is going to do to the raiders what josh mcdaniels did for the broncos.
If they are evaluating all 53, i sure in the hell hope Mark Davis is evaluating the coaching staff. How in the hell does greg knapp still have a job. no way do i renew my tickets next year if he is still the oc.
^^^^^^^^^
Exactly!
December 14th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
i have a friend born in ohio now in cali, loves ohio st and the browns..have watched both teams a lot over the years..carson is numbers but to prone at the worst times..pryor was a pass 1st qb in college with wheels..has a strong arm, looks thru reads when needed in college, and more accuracy than we think.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
“I know I’ll be a tiny bit nervous,” Pryor said. “I haven’t played in awhile. Just pray through it and go out and do what I do. Progressions, no turnovers, have fun and smile. That’s it, at the end of the day. And Monday, learn, whether I did good or bad.”
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Now that’s an attitude that I like.
Do it like Snake kid.
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Like the Snake? You mean reading the Playbook with the light of the Jukebox?
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While balancing a hottie on his leg… that was the Snake. Party on Friday night, or even the night before…. those were the days..
December 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
All you libtards that are up in arms today didn’t give 1 toot when Fast & Furious killed our border agent.
Ditto for the Ambassador in Benghazi…
#selective outrage
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very true.
reason we are outraged is because we are one of the safest countries (along with are genuine caring of humanity), this stuff happens all the time all over the world, ask the kids in n korea.
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Hug your children tonight and thank GOD you still have a Christmas to celebrate…..
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bet i will..my 17 and 15 yld in south oc know i will.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Fire Greg Knapp!
December 14th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
i have a friend born in ohio now in cali, loves ohio st and the browns..have watched both teams a lot over the years..carson is numbers but to prone at the worst times..pryor was a pass 1st qb in college with wheels..has a strong arm, looks thru reads when needed in college, and more accuracy than we think.
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We can only hope, because he didn’t look that good in Preseason even though it was behind a p!ss Poor line and p!ss poor coordinator. But enough of this right time BS from Allen. Play him now because with a top 5 pick, might be good to know if a QB is needed.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Has anyone noticed that Stevie Brown from the giants has 7 picks? We drafted him and released him y?
December 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
iv’e watched more than 15 games of pryors in college..he’s better than we think.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
JLofty Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Fire Greg Knapp!
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Finally, something that Pro guns, Pro Gun control, Liberal or Conservative can all agree on.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Play Pryor but let the kid get some reps with the 1s for cryin out looud…
December 14th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
@KK
What is the deal with guns in Switzerland?
You always here the sound bite that “every adult male is issued an assualt rifle for militia duty and allowed to keep the gun at home.”
Is this true?
December 14th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
But is Pryor better than what Mistic thinks?
Now then we’d HAVE something…
December 14th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Relentless Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Has anyone noticed that Stevie Brown from the giants has 7 picks? We drafted him and released him?
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cuz raiders brass hung up on his athleticism, not his football iq………..wich is why were in this mess right know with our players, hopefully reg changes this.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
iv’e watched more than 15 games of pryors in college..he’s better than we think.
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With the news that DHB, Ford and Moore on the trade block, it’s apparent to me Allen and Reggie will NOT let Pryor see the field, and release him when they draft a QB. There is a clear anti-Al agenda with Reggie and his hand-picked HC who will do his bidding.
I do not trust them. Mark Davis FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
“I know I’ll be a tiny bit nervous,” Pryor said. “I haven’t played in awhile. Just pray through it and go out and do what I do. Progressions, no turnovers, have fun and smile. That’s it, at the end of the day. And Monday, learn, whether I did good or bad.”
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Now that’s an attitude that I like.
Do it like Snake kid.
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Like the Snake? You mean reading the Playbook with the light of the Jukebox?
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While balancing a hottie on his leg… that was the Snake. Party on Friday night, or even the night before…. those were the days..
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Oh yeah! LOL!
What I meant Sam was take things as they come-although if he’s Snake reincarnated..count me in!
December 14th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
JLofty Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Fire Greg Knapp!
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Finally, something that Pro guns, Pro Gun control, Liberal or Conservative can all agree on.
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i agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
How someone can try to take these events as a =n opportunity to talk party politics is beyond me and this has gone right over their heads.
Who cares what party we are if any at all. These are kids that have no idea what politics are all about. They were learning the ABC’s and were mowed down by gun fire……is this a time to argue politics?
No child in any country, backwooods, ghetto or jungle for that matter deserves to be murdered like this.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Relentless Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Has anyone noticed that Stevie Brown from the giants has 7 picks? We drafted him and released him y?
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He was alway opportunistic. Guy was always around the ball. Should’ve kept him but who knows if he’s going to be a Regular pro bowler, two other teams let him go before the Giants picked him up. He’s on a good defense with the Giants.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
How someone can try to take these events as a =n opportunity to talk party politics is beyond me and this has gone right over their heads.
Who cares what party we are if any at all. These are kids that have no idea what politics are all about. They were learning the ABC’s and were mowed down by gun fire……is this a time to argue politics?
No child in any country, backwooods, ghetto or jungle for that matter deserves to be murdered like this.
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Amen.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
As the old saying goes “guns dont kill people people kill people” and that is just a reflection of the US society, why do you think so many nations hate americans?
December 14th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Raider Nation stands as one again! Fire Greg Knapp.
Tarver is young and a rookie DC (although a HUGE brain) so I am willing to give him some time.
Same for Dennis Allen.
However Greg Knapp is a TERRIBLE offensive coordinator.
The statistics prove as much. Fire him TODAY…
December 14th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
aiderSam Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
How someone can try to take these events as a =n opportunity to talk party politics is beyond me and this has gone right over their heads.
Who cares what party we are if any at all. These are kids that have no idea what politics are all about. They were learning the ABC’s and were mowed down by gun fire……is this a time to argue politics?
No child in any country, backwooods, ghetto or jungle for that matter deserves to be murdered like this.
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Amen.
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i agree
December 14th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Relentless Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Has anyone noticed that Stevie Brown from the giants has 7 picks? We drafted him and released him?
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cuz raiders brass hung up on his athleticism, not his football iq………..wich is why were in this mess right know with our players, hopefully reg changes this.
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If Stevie wasn’t 5′11 and more built like Hiram Eugene, then he’d have Al’s attention. LOL, man Al did have his faults, no doubt.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
We have a serious people problem in this country…
December 14th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
“I know I’ll be a tiny bit nervous,” Pryor said. “I haven’t played in awhile. Just pray through it and go out and do what I do. Progressions, no turnovers, have fun and smile. That’s it, at the end of the day. And Monday, learn, whether I did good or bad.”
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Now that’s an attitude that I like.
Do it like Snake kid.
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Like the Snake? You mean reading the Playbook with the light of the Jukebox?
=========
While balancing a hottie on his leg… that was the Snake. Party on Friday night, or even the night before…. those were the days..
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Oh yeah! LOL!
What I meant Sam was take things as they come-although if he’s Snake reincarnated..count me in!
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I’m wondering did they purposely keep the guy on the bench so he wouldnt create a QB controversy if he did succeed the way Wilson did in Seattle…also the turnover issues scared them…i mean they didnt even activate him. They move notoriously slow and its at the point no where if they do use him EVERYBODY knows whats coming.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Have a good a day all, love those in your charge and take care of the weak……
December 14th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
JLofty Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
We have a serious people problem in this country…
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We have a serious coaching problem in THIS Nation
December 14th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Those children were slaughtered with several legally purchased guns. Maybe it’s time to discuss some level of meaningful gun control.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Peace Out Priest
December 14th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
115.Relentless Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Has anyone noticed that Stevie Brown from the giants has 7 picks? We drafted him and released him y?
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Yep. Another bad mistake letting him go.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
JLofty Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
We have a serious people problem in this country…
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most countries have serious problems.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
what the nation needs is for the rest of the “big name” scholarship players to be jettisoned.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
December 14th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Those children were slaughtered with several legally purchased guns. Maybe it’s time to discuss some level of meaningful gun control.
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A full psychological evaluation should be done as part of the pre screening process for anyone who wants to buy a gun legally in this country.
Don’t be scared….if some of you people aren’t mentally straight and strong to be carryng gun. Than you’ll be called out on it and put on a list of people who can’t buy a gun legally due to you failing the psychological evaluation.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
If guns made us safe, we’d be the safest country in the world, wouldn’t we?
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That’s just fuk’n nonsense swabby.
And you were in the navy 20 years?!
A few years ago a guy walks into a school in Scotland-yes Scotland-and kills any number of kids with a knife.
This new incident has nothing to do with guns. It has to do with society.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
The scholarship coaches instead should be jettisoned….allen, knapp, tarver. They cause more harm than good.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
iv’e watched more than 15 games of pryors in college..he’s better than we think.
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With the news that DHB, Ford and Moore on the trade block, it’s apparent to me Allen and Reggie will NOT let Pryor see the field, and release him when they draft a QB. There is a clear anti-Al agenda with Reggie and his hand-picked HC who will do his bidding.
I do not trust them. Mark Davis FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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GG
Here is a link for you to check out and ponder.
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
iv’e watched more than 15 games of pryors in college..he’s better than we think.
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With the news that DHB, Ford and Moore on the trade block, it’s apparent to me Allen and Reggie will NOT let Pryor see the field, and release him when they draft a QB. There is a clear anti-Al agenda with Reggie and his hand-picked HC who will do his bidding.
I do not trust them. Mark Davis FIRE REGGIE NOW.
http://www.naturalnews.com/038352_school_shooting_lone_gunman_media_cover-up.html
December 14th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
The scholarship coaches instead should be jettisoned….allen, knapp, tarver. They cause more harm than good.
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i’d get rid of the coordinators 1st, they hella incompetent..give allen and reg more time..
December 14th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
“I know I’ll be a tiny bit nervous,” Pryor said. “I haven’t played in awhile. Just pray through it and go out and do what I do. Progressions, no turnovers, have fun and smile. That’s it, at the end of the day. And Monday, learn, whether I did good or bad.”
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Now that’s an attitude that I like.
Do it like Snake kid.
—-
Like the Snake? You mean reading the Playbook with the light of the Jukebox?
=========
While balancing a hottie on his leg… that was the Snake. Party on Friday night, or even the night before…. those were the days..
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Oh yeah! LOL!
What I meant Sam was take things as they come-although if he’s Snake reincarnated..count me in!
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I’m wondering did they purposely keep the guy on the bench so he wouldnt create a QB controversy if he did succeed the way Wilson did in Seattle…also the turnover issues scared them…i mean they didnt even activate him. They move notoriously slow and its at the point no where if they do use him EVERYBODY knows whats coming.
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Here’s the truth:
1. Prior wanted to be a quarterback in college but his coaches thought he wasn’t suited and should be a wide receiver.
2. He has now been with the Raiders through two head coaches and neither wanted to play him.
What can you say? At least the guy knows what he wants to do.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
The scholarship coaches instead should be jettisoned….allen, knapp, tarver. They cause more harm than good.
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i’d get rid of the coordinators 1st, they hella incompetent..give allen and reg more time..
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Allen hired the coordinators, and hasn’t done much of his job himself. I can give reggie an offseason to see him draft.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
I say fire them all. If the new coaches don’t make deep run in playoffs in their first year fire them too. They should be able to fully vet and make use of the players they have in all the unlimited practice time they get in the off-season…
December 14th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
LMAO at all the excuses that many on here try and come up with as to why Pryor hasn’t played,yet the most obvious one is totally overlooked-he is the 3rd best QB on the team.Usually the only way 3rd string QBs get game day action is if the QBs in front of them get injured.Now that we are officially out of play-off contention,he will be given some opportunities to see if he can become #2 or even #1 in the future.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
33-9 Chiefs
44-10 Panthers
42-3 SD
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3-13
Now…will Mark D ‘get it’ and fire the Clown Coach Cadre on New Years Eve?
We can only hope…
December 14th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Pryor might have some ability at QB. It’s important to play him as much as possible at this point especially looking at a top 3 pick since it might need to be used on a QB.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
I just don’t get this staff. They are trying to save their jobs or something. My mind is made up but I don’t make the decsions.
Who cares if we win or lose at this point? If you are commited to taking an honest look at the players then play them, no matter what the circumstances. SMFH!!
December 14th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
#144 Thank-you VERY MUCH.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
147.The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
The scholarship coaches instead should be jettisoned….allen, knapp, tarver. They cause more harm than good.
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i’d get rid of the coordinators 1st, they hella incompetent..give allen and reg more time..
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Allen hired the coordinators, and hasn’t done much of his job himself. I can give reggie an offseason to see him draft.
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Exactly. DA hired this terrible coordinators and staff.
So DA is incompetent or just used bad judgement by hiring them
Regardless, it doesn’t say much for DA.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
I just don’t get this staff. They are trying to save their jobs or something. My mind is made up but I don’t make the decsions.
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That is the problem, They’ve folded under the pressure and are now in full self preservation mode. I guess they figure if they leave enough question marks they might have a job for a year longer.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
December 14th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Those children were slaughtered with several legally purchased guns. Maybe it’s time to discuss some level of meaningful gun control.
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A full psychological evaluation should be done as part of the pre screening process for anyone who wants to buy a gun legally in this country.
Don’t be scared….if some of you people aren’t mentally straight and strong to be carryng gun. Than you’ll be called out on it and put on a list of people who can’t buy a gun legally due to you failing the psychological evaluation.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
JLofty Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
I say fire them all. If the new coaches don’t make deep run in playoffs in their first year fire them too. They should be able to fully vet and make use of the players they have in all the unlimited practice time they get in the off-season…
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That is what Al did the last 10 years.How has it worked?Zero play-off teams,not 1 winning season.I’m for trying something different even if most of you can’t see the benefits of doing that.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
We get to watch the battle for the #1 pick Sunday.
The Toilet Bowl! Alright!
December 14th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
@DKnight007
You don’t think it was pretty slim pickings for staff once DA was hired?
Yeah, I will lose faith in DA if Knapp is retained.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
I passionately hate this new regime. my disgust for these new coaches and this GM is stronger than my love for the raiders, its that bad. Fire Reggie now!
December 14th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
All you libtards that are up in arms today didn’t give 1 toot when Fast & Furious killed our border agent.
Ditto for the Ambassador in Benghazi…
#selective outrage
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Correct. It bothers me a lot more when an American does this to Americans.
You go on believing in your imaginary world that the biggest threats to us are Mexico and Libya.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
157.lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
JLofty Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
I say fire them all. If the new coaches don’t make deep run in playoffs in their first year fire them too. They should be able to fully vet and make use of the players they have in all the unlimited practice time they get in the off-season…
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That is what Al did the last 10 years.How has it worked?Zero play-off teams,not 1 winning season.I’m for trying something different even if most of you can’t see the benefits of doing that.
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I’m looking forward to McK balancing the cap for the team and being consistent when it comes to drafting football players and not HWS guys like Al did.
However, we need a REAL head coach and coaching staff to get this crap turned around on the field.
DA and his clown coaches are not the answer!
December 14th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
I think everyone is horrified by what happened to the kindergartners, it is traggic.
the point though is that this is not new in anyway shape or form and has been happening since before there was an official state misnomer-ed amerikkka
The so called amerikkkan culture is what needs to be examined.
Gun laws are necessary yet so is gun ownership in amerikkka.
Trying to eliminate gun violence by taking away gun rights is simply picking leaves off a tree while the root remains intact.
besides that would not stop illegal guns coming in by way of the cia and drug cartels
December 14th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
It also seems most of you have very short memories.Do you remember when Allen was trying to interview for the assistant jobs?Nobody would allow him to interview the guys he wanted.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I hope Jerry is full of it when it comes to insisting we’re trading Moore, DHB, & Ford this off-season. But let me guess, Criner and his 9 yards a catch are on permanent scholarship.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain – People would take you a little more seriously if you didn’t keep using Spice 1’s “AmeriKKKa’s Nightmare” album in your posts. Just say America
December 14th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
December 14th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Those children were slaughtered with several legally purchased guns. Maybe it’s time to discuss some level of meaningful gun control.
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A full psychological evaluation should be done as part of the pre screening process for anyone who wants to buy a gun legally in this country.
Don’t be scared….if some of you people aren’t mentally straight and strong to be carryng gun. Than you’ll be called out on it and put on a list of people who can’t buy a gun legally due to you failing the psychological evaluation.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I hope Jerry is full of it when it comes to insisting we’re trading Moore, DHB, & Ford this off-season. But let me guess, Criner and his 9 yards a catch are on permanent scholarship.
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Criner is Reggie’s Louis Murphy. But it’s ok because Al didn’t draft him
December 14th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Pryor said he didn’t receive many reps during practice this week. Just the same, he is anticipating playing.
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Figures.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
157.lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
JLofty Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
I say fire them all. If the new coaches don’t make deep run in playoffs in their first year fire them too. They should be able to fully vet and make use of the players they have in all the unlimited practice time they get in the off-season…
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That is what Al did the last 10 years.How has it worked?Zero play-off teams,not 1 winning season.I’m for trying something different even if most of you can’t see the benefits of doing that.
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I’m looking forward to McK balancing the cap for the team and being consistent when it comes to drafting football players and not HWS guys like Al did.
However, we need a REAL head coach and coaching staff to get this crap turned around on the field.
DA and his clown coaches are not the answer!
December 14th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
There is a clear anti-Al agenda with Reggie and his hand-picked HC who will do his bidding.
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exactly, Reggie is getting rid of our playmakers but his scholarship Criner gets opportunities…DOUBLE STANDARD!
December 14th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Does anyone else get their cojones crunched when you see a column “Oakland Raiders evaluating every player on the roster”? This is news? This is not done 24/7?
We have become so damn PC its ridiculous. This is OUR Coliseum, and I mean the Roman type. John Madden did not have to “police” the squads of the 70’s. The players did. Hey, ok to have a hangover the first half, chug a beer and have a Pall Mall at half time, but when it came time to PLAY…you better play.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Pryor said he didn’t receive many reps during practice this week. Just the same, he is anticipating playing.
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Figures.
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DA is a freakin idiot, loser and is not a motivator of men or girls for that matter!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain – People would take you a little more seriously if you didn’t keep using Spice 1’s “AmeriKKKa’s Nightmare” album in your posts. Just say America
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i dont post for ratings
December 14th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
FREE TP6!!!!!!
FREE ROB PARKER!!!!!
PEACE
December 14th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
I’ll say this. In certain Texas schools they are letting the staff carry concealed weapons. If that happened in Conneticut, they could have ended it fast. You only have seconds to react in a situation like that.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
This stuff is just so damn disappointing it hard to believe this staff is this freakin dumb inept and incompetent. They just don’t have any imagination or forsight as how to put players on position to succeed. No intuition whatsoever how to manufacture scoring and productive offense.
I cannot understand what Reggie is thinking what is his opinion of what’s happening on the field. It is extremely frustrating to listen to the weekly excuses why something didn’t happen and what needs to change without any insight on how to make it change.
I don’t envy Mark Davis one bit what he must be feeling when he has to shell out 100’s of thousands of dollars to get this crap on TV only for the viewers to turn it off before bthe game is over. It must be absolutely maddening.
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I know the feeling.
7 straight years of uglyass football when Al was in charge.
Maddening. Just maddening.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Where id this D moore, Dhb, and ford trade talk coming from?
December 14th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
so being a starter from the outset of a game isnt a game situation? gimme a break allen..
December 14th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Pryor said he didn’t receive many reps during practice this week. Just the same, he is anticipating playing.
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Figures.
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DA is a freakin idiot, loser and is not a motivator of men or girls for that matter!!!
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He’s beyond stupid. Thanks Reggie. “My Guy”
December 14th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I hope Jerry is full of it when it comes to insisting we’re trading Moore, DHB, & Ford this off-season. But let me guess, Criner and his 9 yards a catch are on permanent scholarship.
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Criner is Reggie’s Louis Murphy. But it’s ok because Al didn’t draft him
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As i said just a few posts ago…it’s clear that Allen will NOT play Pryor and they’ll release him once they draft their own QB. It’s clear to me now that this is Reggie’s agenda, to clear out Al’s players. And he supports Allen naturally because he HAND-PICKED him to do his dirty work for him. Why he continues to support him.
It’s clear Allen is just BS’ing us and Mark Davis with the we have packages ready for him, if situation permits. Meaning, he wont play him, just pulling Mark’s and the fans chains.
FIRE REGGIE NOW, Mark!
December 14th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
r00der Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Does anyone else get their cojones crunched when you see a column “Oakland Raiders evaluating every player on the roster”? This is news? This is not done 24/7?
We have become so damn PC its ridiculous. This is OUR Coliseum, and I mean the Roman type. John Madden did not have to “police” the squads of the 70’s. The players did. Hey, ok to have a hangover the first half, chug a beer and have a Pall Mall at half time, but when it came time to PLAY…you better play
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So you’re into comic books?
Cool.
Problem is those roided out, tanked up, slooshed players died along with Archie comics.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
i think reg is tyring to clear em out lil by lil cuz of the cap situation.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Boycott until Teggie and co is gone… Whos with me!???
December 14th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
GG
Did you check post 144?
December 14th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Sorry but I wanted to talk only football but some posts here make me crazy.
Check this out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Hey we are not in the top ten!!!
The overwhelming majority of countries “above” us?
NarcoWorld…
Pathetic.
UK has less than 50 deaths by guns each year. FIFTY. US? More than 30,000 every year. Guns are illegal there. Connect the dots, head-in-the-sand Einsteins.
And please spare me the BS about people not guns are the problem. You right wingers just don’t get it.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Tom Cable > Dennis Allen ??
December 14th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
You’ll know we’re right that Reggie has an agenda thru Allen as henchman….when you notice this off-season Marcel Reece traded.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain – People would take you a little more seriously if you didn’t keep using Spice 1’s “AmeriKKKa’s Nightmare” album in your posts. Just say America
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i dont post for ratings
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Well, it’s not for ratings? And it’s not to make sense. Certainly not for discussion purpose. Sure as hell isn’t to make anyone aware.
So, besides hate/r@ce mongering, why again, are you posting?
December 14th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
we’re blaming firearms for this tragedy??
smh
you pot smokin hippies in California are friggin DUMB
December 14th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
GG
Did you check post 144?
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Yes I did. And I posted a THANK YOU VERY MUCH for providing that link. Wake Up America.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Tuckrulefool Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Sorry but I wanted to talk only football but some posts here make me crazy.
Check this out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Hey we are not in the top ten!!!
The overwhelming majority of countries “above” us?
NarcoWorld…
Pathetic.
UK has less than 50 deaths by guns each year. FIFTY. US? More than 30,000 every year. Guns are illegal there. Connect the dots, head-in-the-sand Einsteins.
And please spare me the BS about people not guns are the problem. You right wingers just don’t get it.
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genious..liberals dont own guns! you nailed it! (sarcasm)
December 14th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain – People would take you a little more seriously if you didn’t keep using Spice 1’s “AmeriKKKa’s Nightmare” album in your posts. Just say America
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187 proof spice 1’s greatest work
i dont post for ratings
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Well, it’s not for ratings? And it’s not to make sense. Certainly not for discussion purpose. Sure as hell isn’t to make anyone aware.
So, besides hate/r@ce mongering, why again, are you posting?
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What race hate mongering?
I love ow anytime a black person points out racism they are labled racist.
please
FREE ROB PARKER!!!!
peace
December 14th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Keepin Da and trading our receivers would be enough to get me to burn my raider gear and turn coat. I can not and will not support reggie…. Cant do it wont do it. Ill put on a niner or pats hat before I support that fat bastard if he gets rid of those guy$ and keeps this sorry azz coach.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Check this out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Hey we are not in the top ten!!!
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Someone needs to be fired!! Now!
December 14th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Allen said a package of plays designed for Pryor to run was installed a few weeks ago. The proper situation hasn’t presented itself for Pryor to run those plays. It’s also possible that backup Matt Leinart will play before Pryor gets his chance, Allen added.
“The biggest thing is to start getting him into the game a little bit and let him see a little game action,” Allen said of Pryor. “I’m not ready to say that he’d be a starter.”
Pryor said he didn’t receive many reps during practice this week.
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Reggie & Dennis are pathetic!!
December 14th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I hope Jerry is full of it when it comes to insisting we’re trading Moore, DHB, & Ford this off-season. But let me guess, Criner and his 9 yards a catch are on permanent scholarship.
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Criner is Reggie’s Louis Murphy. But it’s ok because Al didn’t draft him
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As i said just a few posts ago…it’s clear that Allen will NOT play Pryor and they’ll release him once they draft their own QB. It’s clear to me now that this is Reggie’s agenda, to clear out Al’s players. And he supports Allen naturally because he HAND-PICKED him to do his dirty work for him. Why he continues to support him.
It’s clear Allen is just BS’ing us and Mark Davis with the we have packages ready for him, if situation permits. Meaning, he wont play him, just pulling Mark’s and the fans chains.
FIRE REGGIE NOW, Mark!
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Oh, it can’t be because watching TP in practice shows he’s not all that good at qb?
No?
You sure?
December 14th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
196 Co-sign And a great big WTF?
December 14th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Sorry but I wanted to talk only football but some posts here make me crazy.
Check this out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Hey we are not in the top ten!!!
The overwhelming majority of countries “above” us?
NarcoWorld…
Pathetic.
UK has less than 50 deaths by guns each year. FIFTY. US? More than 30,000 every year. Guns are illegal there. Connect the dots, head-in-the-sand Einsteins.
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First, there were 564 murders in the UK in 2011.
Second, there are plenty of incidents of people using guns in the UK-or anything else-to murder others.
Third, what the fuk’n hell does this have to do with football?!
December 14th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Keepin Da and trading our receivers would be enough to get me to burn my raider gear and turn coat. I can not and will not support reggie…. Cant do it wont do it. Ill put on a niner or pats hat before I support that fat bastard if he gets rid of those guy$ and keeps this sorry azz coach.
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Ok.
Adding to list of “FAKEASS FANS WHO BAIL FOR WHATEVER REASON” Jackie.
At least you admit you aren’t a real fan.
That’s an important step.
Or stupid. Depending on the point of view.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Allen said a package of plays designed for Pryor to run was installed a few weeks ago. The proper situation hasn’t presented itself for Pryor to run those plays. It’s also possible that backup Matt Leinart will play before Pryor gets his chance, Allen added.
“The biggest thing is to start getting him into the game a little bit and let him see a little game action,” Allen said of Pryor. “I’m not ready to say that he’d be a starter.”
Pryor said he didn’t receive many reps during practice this week.
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Reggie & Dennis are pathetic!!
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Rockstar, I read your posts all the time since you are one of the few on here who sometimes make sense.
What sense does it make to fire a general mangager or a head coach after one year?
Isn’t that what Al used to do and isn’t that why we haven’t had a winning team in ten years?
December 14th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain – People would take you a little more seriously if you didn’t keep using Spice 1’s “AmeriKKKa’s Nightmare” album in your posts. Just say America
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i dont post for ratings
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Spice 1 was a fake ass studio gangsta who got slapped like a biotch and didnt do schit and was never heard from again. Mistic and Spice have that in common, two fake ass neggas.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
You guys are barely catching on that what this regime is doing, is dusting every player for Al’s hand prints and getting rid of him?
Another one of the reasons Hue was let go.
Obviously! lol
December 14th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
#197…
Do you honestly trust this coaching staff’s to game-plan? To prepare for a game upcoming? To adjust and instal the right schemes? To properly utilize personnel in their strengths? To develop players?
And you want to trust their ability to assess talent?
December 14th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
On the one hand we have MistaBrown that is fearful that Muslims are going to kill him so he needs a powerful military to protect him and on the other hand we have KoolKell that needs a powerful government to dispense social justice and insure that he gets his fair share.
They are both fools.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
why are kelly and seymour still are starting dt’s when we have’nt been able to stop the run for years?..our core of old players gotz ta go!!
December 14th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
My four team parlay card for Sunday.
Raiders – 2.5
Niners +5.5
Dallas + 1.5 (Hows Pitt favored?)
Packers – 2.5 (my lock)
Im hoping the Raiders win out…I will be at the Charger game…we need to win the last three,…this staff, in its entirety is returning…so we need confidence ending the year,..just like when we beat KC to kick em out the playoffs in 1999,..the next year we kicked butt,…thats how we need this year to end,..and I pray Pryor doesnt play Sunday,..ruin Reggies hopes for getting a 6th rounder for him.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Twocents Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
On the one hand we have MistaBrown that is fearful that Muslims are going to kill him so he needs a powerful military to protect him and on the other hand we have KoolKell that needs a powerful government to dispense social justice and insure that he gets his fair share.
They are both fools.
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truth
December 14th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
I’ll say this. In certain Texas schools they are letting the staff carry concealed weapons. If that happened in Conneticut, they could have ended it fast. You only have seconds to react in a situation like that.
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Sounds about right. I guess the next mass shooting will involve school staff shooting up the school.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain – People would take you a little more seriously if you didn’t keep using Spice 1’s “AmeriKKKa’s Nightmare” album in your posts. Just say America
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187 proof spice 1’s greatest work
i dont post for ratings
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Well, it’s not for ratings? And it’s not to make sense. Certainly not for discussion purpose. Sure as hell isn’t to make anyone aware.
So, besides hate/r@ce mongering, why again, are you posting?
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What race hate mongering?
I love ow anytime a black person points out racism they are labled racist.
please
FREE ROB PARKER!!!!
peace
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Listen up, child.
Yes, yes, we know. You love the attention. You love spewing forth your ridiculous claims that you quickly backtrack (read: LIE) when confronted with facts.
We get it.
Facts are you have replied to dozens and dozens of comments, that have zero comments in them that indicate a racial tone, that you proudly run your racial bull****.
Now, of course, you’re all excited, and fingers are itching to ask me to post your racist bull****, so you can giggle that you get attention.
You’re a little man, and I’m embarrassed to say we are both black. People like you have been setting back progress for over 150 years. You do it proudly.
It’s what little men do.
You have my permission to carry on, Little Man.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Yeah keep buying guns. Clearly, MORE firearms for every man woman and child is the answer to our street violence problems.
Automatic/Semi automatics at that…
I’m very confident that’s exactly what Thomas Jefferson and co had in mind 3 centuries ago.
Delusional clowns.
Only hope for some of these idiots is “backfire”.
Removal from the gene pool. Darwin/natural selection at its best….
December 14th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Btw, just quickly again…I REALLY LOVE all of you regulars who post in this site. You are bar none the best funniest smartest most interesting group of individuals anywhere on the net.
Keep it up, stick together, we the Raider Nation are unsurpassed.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Im not a real fan? Please! Im a raiders fan, and this sht reggie pullin aint raider. Idgaf call me what you want but this isnt the style of team that made me a fan. These are no longer the raiders, reggie played for the organization in the past but hes not a raider.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
According to Sportrac – 2013 salaries
* Palmer $13,000,000,$4,716,667 cap
* DHB $7,721,000, $5,779,000 cap
* Seymour $7,500,000, $2,240,000 cap
* Kelly $6,500,000, $8,892,856 cap
* DMac $5,856,250, $6,716,667 cap
* Huff $4,000,000, $4,962,083 cap
* Seabass $3,800,000, $1,700,000 cap
* McClain $1,535,000, $5,570,000 cap
* Condo $1,200,000, $1,175,000 cap
* Houston $575,000, $1,166,250 cap
* Branch $0, $6,200,000 cap
Rest of the roster under $600k. Of that list, which one actually deserves the salary next year?
Houston? Branch?
The problem is releasing these players you’re on the hook for the salary (including the cap hit). Seymour and McClain release is going to cost $9.5 million in dead money, including $8 mill against the cap? uggghhh.. DHB is untradeable so releasing him would cost another 7.5 mill and 5.5 cap hit, Kelly might be traded for late rounder but not at his salary and cap #.
Reggie still has *alot* of work to do but the roster under $1 million looks decent so there’s some hope.. 2013 will be another ugly season but 2014 might be decent with a full draft and the bad contracts gone.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Twocents Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
On the one hand we have MistaBrown that is fearful that Muslims are going to kill him so he needs a powerful military to protect him and on the other hand we have KoolKell that needs a powerful government to dispense social justice and insure that he gets his fair share.
They are both fools.
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LOL! Holla!
December 14th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Actually what they are doing is ridding the team of dead weight,scholarship wannabe players.You guys are so hung up on ‘whose’ players they are,you can’t see the reality of what is happening.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
I’ll say this. In certain Texas schools they are letting the staff carry concealed weapons. If that happened in Conneticut, they could have ended it fast. You only have seconds to react in a situation like that.
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Sounds about right. I guess the next mass shooting will involve school staff shooting up the school.
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I wonder what kind of “legal prescription” drugs this guy was on. The Batman dude & the guy in Arizona were obviously under the influence of something…Probably just another psych ops by our gov’t masters.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Ok…Sorry to (most) everyone here. Emotional day.
Back to football.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Reggie is a Packers man. He loves them and their ways. Fvck the Packers. Ron Wolf considers himself more a Packers man, it’s true. And he clearly lobbied Mark to hire Reggie to clear a path for his son Eliot to rise quicker in the Packer ranks, the organization the Wolfs love more. Fvck the Packers.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Keepin Da and trading our receivers would be enough to get me to burn my raider gear and turn coat. I can not and will not support reggie…. Cant do it wont do it. Ill put on a niner or pats hat before I support that fat bastard if he gets rid of those guy$ and keeps this sorry azz coach.
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I wouldn’t go that far, but those actions would deserve a 10,000 crowd every week.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
We are going to Rickys to celebrate the win over KC,..and watch the Niner game there,..get wasted,…even though I hate the sight of that pig Ricky is married to,..and I really hate that stupid looking wig Ricky wears. What a tool he is.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
According to Sportrac – 2013 salaries
* Palmer $13,000,000,$4,716,667 cap
* DHB $7,721,000, $5,779,000 cap
* Seymour $7,500,000, $2,240,000 cap
* Kelly $6,500,000, $8,892,856 cap
* DMac $5,856,250, $6,716,667 cap
* Huff $4,000,000, $4,962,083 cap
* Seabass $3,800,000, $1,700,000 cap
* McClain $1,535,000, $5,570,000 cap
* Condo $1,200,000, $1,175,000 cap
* Houston $575,000, $1,166,250 cap
* Branch $0, $6,200,000 cap
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all should go except seabass, branch, and condo.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Reggie is a Packers man. He loves them and their ways. Fvck the Packers. Ron Wolf considers himself more a Packers man, it’s true. And he clearly lobbied Mark to hire Reggie to clear a path for his son Eliot to rise quicker in the Packer ranks, the organization the Wolfs love more. Fvck the Packers.
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That was one of the “rumors” the other week on that one board that Ron wanted his kid promoted so he recommended Reggie. It’s just too bad Mark didn’t bother to interview MORE THAN ONE person for his biggest hire…BTW sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good. Remember when they wanted to trade Rodgers to us for Moss?
December 14th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
and restructer dhb.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
on the other hand we have KoolKell that needs a powerful government to dispense social justice and insure that he gets his fair share.
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Twocents, how many times have I told you not to speak for me? I got my share Btch. Ain’t it ain’t got a damned thing to do with the govt.
You’re the fool, that anti-govt crap you believe in is thought to be crap by 90% of the American People. People like me won the election, remember?
December 14th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
I guess that dude that shot up that classroom today was tired of his video games,..werent realist enough.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
#197…
Do you honestly trust this coaching staff’s to game-plan? To prepare for a game upcoming? To adjust and instal the right schemes? To properly utilize personnel in their strengths? To develop players?
And you want to trust their ability to assess talent?
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Do YOU really believe your comments? All of them?
That DA’s plan, all along, was to just release Pryor?
Why? How does that make sense?
That Reggie’s plan all along was to rid the team of Al’s guys? isn’t every single player on the team, except for those acquired this past year, Al’s guys?
Look at the last 10 years.
How can you possibly say that what happened this year wasn’t expected? Would have been a miracle if it didn’t happen.
Look at the last 5 draft picks, made by Al.
How are they doing?
How about Al’s FA signings the previous 5-10 years?
How did they pan out?
Reality is DA and Reg were handed a stacked deck.
Not much they could do about it, IMO.
(and yes, I think Knapp sucks. he’s pretty much always sucked. But like it or not, when Norv Turner, who was/is touted as one of the best OC’s in the game, was calling games, many times the offense didn’t get the job done. Was that Norv’s fault? Or the fact the players were not as good as the opposing teams players?
December 14th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
i meant restructure.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag,
It is curious that so many of these crazies have had “treatment” by big pharma.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
According to VicTafur:
Seymour restructured his deal in March, which turned his $7.5 million fully guaranteed base salary for this year into a $925,000 base with a $6.575 million guaranteed roster bonus. Among the restructuring’s details, Seymour’s final four years and $30 million have voided. The 33-year-old has recorded 15 tackles and three sacks in eight games this season. Seymour has missed five games with a hamstring injury.
So according to this Seymour is not due anything from the Raiders in 2013? That would make releasing McClain less painful.. and add DHB to that list too, Streater needs to start in 2013. I’d rather pay Hagan league minimum than keeping DHB and his $7 million contract.
Maybe we can package DHB and McClain for a 7th rounder and a bag of cheetos?
December 14th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Gosh kell,..you still angry?…dude go have a drink,..smoke some grass,..you are mad and bitter every day,…have some egg nog with Bacardi in it,…lighten up man. Big game Sunday! Im on the sidelines with Reggie again!
December 14th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
I’d dump branch (but keep seabass and condo).
Also keep houston for sure. he is all motor 24/7.
If palmer restructures id keep im at 5-7M/yr. same for huff (2-2.5M). otherwise, trade or cut em…
also…trade dont cut Dmac..even if its for less than we want…
December 14th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
on the other hand we have KoolKell that needs a powerful government to dispense social justice and insure that he gets his fair share.
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Twocents, how many times have I told you not to speak for me? I got my share Btch. Ain’t it ain’t got a damned thing to do with the govt.
You’re the fool, that anti-govt crap you believe in is thought to be crap by 90% of the American People. People like me won the election, remember?
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People like YOU won the election? lol.
From what I can gather, you sat and watched while the world performed. Casting a vote in a booth doesn’t mean you’re involved.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
CDERaider
Tafur noted Big Rich’s signing bonus money is still owed meaning it accelerates giving the Raiders a $5.6 million hit in “dead money” for next year’s salary cap.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
#227…
There’s clearly an anti-Al-player’s agenda. If you can’t see that I don’t know what to say to you. If Reggie-Allen return next year, watch who gets traded and released. Reggie completely cleared out even the scouting department to bring in his own nepotistic hires.
Reggie has already cleared out 27/53 of Al’s players.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Rockinraider,..dont bother with kell,..he was born angry, jealous…and he gets angrier each day,..sad way to live but better him then me.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
People like YOU won the election? lol.
From what I can gather, you sat and watched while the world performed. Casting a vote in a booth doesn’t mean you’re involved.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Burst MY bubble? People like me won the election, remember?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
IMO, no way should Moore or Ford be traded, along with DMAC, and Reece they are the only playmakers we have on offense. Say what you will about Fords injuries but lil man can ball, same can be said for Moore. Injuries happen and are unpredictable, its possible Ford goes the next 3 seasons without an injury. We are not in a position to trade playmakers given our cap situation and lack of playmakers on this team overall. Now as far as DHB I cant see him having much trade value esp with his cap number, we flat out blew that pick, should have drafted Crabtree anyway.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
We are going to Rickys to celebrate the win over KC,..and watch the Niner game there,..get wasted,…even though I hate the sight of that pig Ricky is married to,..and I really hate that stupid looking wig Ricky wears. What a tool he is.
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Does his wife still have the parking spot reserved for Gruden? her sorryass wore that TampaBay jersey, proudly.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Good God KoolKell, make some sense. I can’t even understand what point you are making.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
People like YOU won the election? lol.
From what I can gather, you sat and watched while the world performed. Casting a vote in a booth doesn’t mean you’re involved.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Burst MY bubble? People like me won the election, remember?
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No small surprise you missed the point.
In fact, I would have bet on it.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
People like me who believe in the same things. Yep.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
2013 WR’s (starter/backup)
#1 Streater/Hagan
#2 Moore/Criner
#3 Ford/2013 FA
December 14th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
post 220 Im really heated though, like I really dispise this guy, first he fired hue, then he hired DA and knapp, now hes talking about trading the little talent we have? But his loser azz coaches get a pass? Talking about no more scholarships, hes giving them out but to his guys. I really dont like reggie.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Your point is stupid, and not worth responding to.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Rockinraider,..dont bother with kell,..he was born angry, jealous…and he gets angrier each day,..sad way to live but better him then me.
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True.
But even bitter tools appreciate being kicked in the ass, now and again, just so they feel “special”.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Twocents Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag,
It is curious that so many of these crazies have had “treatment” by big pharma.
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agree
http://naturalsociety.com/batman-shooter-james-holmes-on-pharmaceutical-drugs/
Big Pharma painkiller drugs killed more people than heroin & cocaine combined in 2008…And yet they won’t make marijuana legal in this “Land of the Free”. Gee wonder if Big Pharma is buying off our politicians to keep it that way?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
“People like me won the election.” Well, what does that prove? Maybe people like you are stupid.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Rockin,..I hate that bich and she knows it,..I got into it with Ricky ten years ago,…F them both,…if Im real drunk sunday night and KC beat us his toupee is coming off and shes eating it.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
crazy…dhb is better than all the other recs we have…
December 14th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Twocents Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Good God KoolKell, make some sense. I can’t even understand what point you are making.
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Then stfu and don’t presume to speak for me.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Your point is stupid, and not worth responding to.
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LMAO.
You already responded to it, you idiot.
I simply pointed out comprehension isn’t something you can brag about.
Thanks for proving my most previous point.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Kell,…you arent a winner at all,..I promise you this,..the president would go for cocktails with George W before he would ever even look your way. Truth.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
True.
But even bitter tools appreciate being kicked in the ass, now and again, just so they feel “special”.
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Yeah see Dennis Allen after his first Bronco whipping.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
reggie is bringing in slow aszsz weak players on1 year deals…nobody else will dare come to this sheythole
December 14th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
When did Reggie come out and say he was gonna trade the WR’s?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Your point is stupid, and not worth responding to.
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LMAO.
You already responded to it, you idiot.
I simply pointed out comprehension isn’t something you can brag about.
Thanks for proving my most previous point.
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Whatever. Lmao.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Twocents Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Good God KoolKell, make some sense. I can’t even understand what point you are making.
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Then stfu and don’t presume to speak for me.
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Again, LMAO. And thanks AGAIN for proving my point regarding you missing the day in school when comprehension was discussed.
Poster stated you are incoherent in your posts.
You reply “don’t presume to speak for me” in reply to that?
Let’s wait 5 min or so and see if Koolkell gets it.
or 10 minutes.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
I don’t want the Oakland Packers. I don’t necessarily want Al’s final years of ruination. But what I want is someone who understands and appreciates the Raiders Way, Raiders Football, and who hires coaches who don’t have a predisposed bias and agenda to clear out a roster of the talent quickly PURELY to have a roster of 53 of their own players, who hires coaches who deliberately regress the roster in order to say, “see they’re untalented, we have to acquire our own”.
I want coaches and a GM who appreciate what they have available to them (the original scouts, coaches, and players provided by the previous regime) and work more into further DEVELOPING that core into a winning organization.
Reggie did not want to do that, giving any credence to the previous regime for his own success. Success has to be noted it came from only him. Same ego as Al, almost, except Al wasn’t so obstinate. I trust Al’s football acumen and brilliance far more than Reggie’s. Al even in his dying days half-alive possessed far greater acumen and ability than Reggie.
Nothing Reggie has done has been smart at all.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
234. You’re right. That sucks..
Well, it has to happen, Seymour is done in Oakland (might even retire from the NFL), McClain has to go although in a 3-4 with different coaching he might be an impact run defender.
DHB is back to being irrelevant on Sunday and his 2013 contract is crazy nearly $8mill?? Plus he’s taking playing time from the young guys. Time to move on..
So those 3 cuts will be like $15 mill in dead money. Has to happen these guys are doing nothing for this team right now.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Kell,…you arent a winner at all,..I promise you this,..the president would go for cocktails with George W before he would ever even look your way. Truth.
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So?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
KoolKell, democracy is mob rule, so the mob won. That is no reason to claim a moral victory.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
post 220 Im really heated though, like I really dispise this guy, first he fired hue, then he hired DA and knapp, now hes talking about trading the little talent we have? But his loser azz coaches get a pass? Talking about no more scholarships, hes giving them out but to his guys. I really dont like reggie.
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I don’t blame you for your feelings. I hated the Hue hiring. Was unsure about the DA hire but then his staff just felt weak. A college co-DC & fuggin Knapp? Good gawd.
I think Reggie deserves at least another year, but some roster decisions have really pi$$ed me off.
Is it really any wonder his best rookie was an undrafted free agent who is the classic Al Davis pick? I hope he factors that into his thought process this off-season.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Tuckrulefool Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
I’d dump branch (but keep seabass and condo).
Also keep houston for sure. he is all motor 24/7.
If palmer restructures id keep im at 5-7M/yr. same for huff (2-2.5M). otherwise, trade or cut em…
also…trade dont cut Dmac..even if its for less than we want…
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very reasonable……..but what about palmers big numbers but tendency for the big t.o…he did this at bengals too.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Rockin,..I hate that bich and she knows it,..I got into it with Ricky ten years ago,…F them both,…if Im real drunk sunday night and KC beat us his toupee is coming off and shes eating it.
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I’ve eaten there. Once. Ketchup on that rug, on a roll, would have been an upgrade.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
#259…completely agree. nice post.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Twocents Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
KoolKell, democracy is mob rule, so the mob won. That is no reason to claim a moral victory.
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I don’t see it that way, but then again I’m a Veteran, so was my Daddy. Lol
December 14th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
234. You’re right. That sucks..
Well, it has to happen, Seymour is done in Oakland (might even retire from the NFL), McClain has to go although in a 3-4 with different coaching he might be an impact run defender.
DHB is back to being irrelevant on Sunday and his 2013 contract is crazy nearly $8mill?? Plus he’s taking playing time from the young guys. Time to move on..
So those 3 cuts will be like $15 mill in dead money. Has to happen these guys are doing nothing for this team right now.
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thats why the scholarships are being pulled lil by lil.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Twocents, take your dumb anti-social azz to Somalia, there’s no government there.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
crazy…dhb is better than all the other recs we have…
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If you mean better in terms of staying healthy, yes he’s the best, but pure Wr talent Moore and Ford have DHB beat easily, DHB runs the stiffest routes of anybody on the team and he is only good when you throw him a short pass and let him get RAC yards which requires the DB’s to play off him, if you press DHB he is almost worthless.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
thats why the scholarships are being pulled lil by lil.
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and new ones will be formed…Think Bergstrom will be cut like Barksdale & DVD were after one year.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Trading Moore or Ford is a bad move – they’re production/salary ratio is very high. Unless you’re getting 2nd rounders back – those are bad trades. DHB is a decent #3 wr but his salary way too high – his trade value is almost 0 due to his bottom 1/3rd of the league production and top 10 salary.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
GG says-Reggie has already cleared out 27/53 of Al’s players.
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Because they weren’t any good.You want to keep players just because they were ‘Al’s guys” even if they aren’t any good?SMH
December 14th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
259 couldnt say it anybetter myself.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Twocents Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
KoolKell, democracy is mob rule, so the mob won. That is no reason to claim a moral victory.
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I don’t see it that way, but then again I’m a Veteran, so was my Daddy. Lol
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Uh..are you drunk?
High?
You ever consider proofing your comments to see if they make sense before you hit submit?
something to think about. you know. While you’re patting yourself on the back for voting the way you were told to vote.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
87:
yeah thats why i bumped him down to 5-7M (vs 13M as scheduled)
i agree he has teh YIPS when it matters most..not good
however unless/until we really have some viability/visibity at QB (prior rocks the planet last 3 weeks..ok i can dream) we need to have something better than leinert to lean on
and at 5-7M i could handle that,…even if he ends up being a backup…in fact if thats the case likely we have found someone we want back there who is an upgrade over palmer…
this league is tough if u have NO quality depth at qb…Boller anyone?
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Tuckrulefool Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
I’d dump branch (but keep seabass and condo).
Also keep houston for sure. he is all motor 24/7.
If palmer restructures id keep im at 5-7M/yr. same for huff (2-2.5M). otherwise, trade or cut em…
also…trade dont cut Dmac..even if its for less than we want…
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very reasonable……..but what about palmers big numbers but tendency for the big t.o…he did this at bengals too.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
thats why the scholarships are being pulled lil by lil.
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and new ones will be formed…Think Bergstrom will be cut like Barksdale & DVD were after one year.
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thats why this draft class was to see if we could find sum gems and start ridding us of those horrible contracts, now the real work begins.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
I am a veteran also, though I don’t see it quite the the same way as you do. I was conscripted (slavery) at a young age and didn’t have a soft job in the Navy.
If I had it to do all over again, I would have told you and your ilk to “kick rocks.”
December 14th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
#271…
Exactly. Reggie will have his scholarship players, already does. Bilukidi, Crawford, Criner, Bergstrom, as well as retention of Brisiel — coaches already have said he will remain and that they’re very happy with him. Are you fvcking kidding? That shows their evaluations are biased and/or terrible : re Pryor, Ausberry, Taiwan, etc.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
IMO, no way should Moore or Ford be traded, along with DMAC, and Reece they are the only playmakers we have on offense. Say what you will about Fords injuries but lil man can ball, same can be said for Moore. Injuries happen and are unpredictable, its possible Ford goes the next 3 seasons without an injury. We are not in a position to trade playmakers given our cap situation and lack of playmakers on this team overall. Now as far as DHB I cant see him having much trade value esp with his cap number, we flat out blew that pick, should have drafted Crabtree anyway.
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You make some good points.
Some folks though are apt to get injured more often than others.
McFadden is going to get injured on a regular basis as long as they keep running him down the middle. He just doesn’t have the body for it.
When it comes to Ford, I always liked that little guy even though he’s playing way above his weight.
I was wrong about Crabtree.
When it comes to DHB I have to admit that I damn near crushed my beer can down to about the size of a dime when Al drafted him.
The guy has tried real hard but as he stands no team is going to take him in a trade.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
I don’t want the Oakland Packers. I don’t necessarily want Al’s final years of ruination. But what I want is someone who understands and appreciates the Raiders Way, Raiders Football, and who hires coaches who don’t have a predisposed bias and agenda to clear out a roster of the talent quickly PURELY to have a roster of 53 of their own players, who hires coaches who deliberately regress the roster in order to say, “see they’re untalented, we have to acquire our own”.
I want coaches and a GM who appreciate what they have available to them (the original scouts, coaches, and players provided by the previous regime) and work more into further DEVELOPING that core into a winning organization.
Reggie did not want to do that, giving any credence to the previous regime for his own success. Success has to be noted it came from only him. Same ego as Al, almost, except Al wasn’t so obstinate. I trust Al’s football acumen and brilliance far more than Reggie’s. Al even in his dying days half-alive possessed far greater acumen and ability than Reggie.
Nothing Reggie has done has been smart at all.
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Well, Einstein, regale us with what YOU would have done?
No, I don’t want to hear ‘I would not have hired DA’ or “would have not let him hire Knapp”..too easy to state.
What, given the total chaos handed to REg, and the complete dysfunction of the organization, do you think Reg should have done?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
if the top pick doesnt draft geno smith should we try and get him?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
#273…
What I’m saying is they did not want to make it work, they did not want to take what was there and mold into a success, using schemes that are suited to their skill-sets and previous learning.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
thats why the scholarships are being pulled lil by lil.
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and new ones will be formed…Think Bergstrom will be cut like Barksdale & DVD were after one year.
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thats why this draft class was to see if we could find sum gems and start ridding us of those horrible contracts, now the real work begins.
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And Barksdale & DVD were on rookie deals. He cut them just for the sake of cutting them and gave us Willie Smith, 2 corners he has since cut, Spencer(always hurt) and Phillip Adams. Oh joy. Smart move Reggie.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Rookie here
First of all my condolences to the families in CT..
Second I strongly believe that this coaching staff as a group for 2013 depends on this must win against Kansas city on Sunday ..If they lose Reggie has no sane reason to keep this coaching staff as it is… Yes Knapps play calling sucks, But DA as a defensive coaching and coaches nor his players nor staff isn’t responding to his schemes .. That alone is to dysfunctional for any organization with limited cap space an overpaid employees to rebound & rebuild from (ALA moon the world Mike Singltary) ..So survival of this coaching staff as a unit in my opinion determines a W against KC .. If not Safe yourself Reggie by firing and hiring former head coaches as coordinators .. free some cap space by restructuring contracts,trades and cuts.. GO RAIDERS!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
KollKell, why have you disappeared? You sorry ass Navy whimp.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
rockinraider sez: “So you’re into comic books?
Cool.
Problem is those roided out, tanked up, slooshed players died along with Archie comics.”
Your point is? It becomes obvious we got THIS team instead…and “fans” like you, worried about making a point. Miss the hi school debate buddies?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Im not a real fan? Please! Im a raiders fan, and this sht reggie pullin aint raider. Idgaf call me what you want but this isnt the style of team that made me a fan. These are no longer the raiders, reggie played for the organization in the past but hes not a raider.
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How fickle we be.
Recall lots of posts saying how “Reg’s is a real raider” now, because, as A GM, WHO HAS LIMITED MOVES ANYWAY, AND EVEN LESS MOVES WHEN YOU TAKE OVER A TEAM THAT GAVE AWAY DRAFT PICKS, didn’t turn around a bad team, in LESS than a year, he’s now NOT a Raider?
Weak.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Reggie getting rid of the wrong ‘Al guys’ : Satelle and Bush – terrible moves.. Losing those guys prob costs us 3-4 wins.. Keep Satelle at center, wiz at lg and coop at rg – this line *much* better. Bush gets yards every time he touches the ball and perfect complement to DMAC – he was great in the red zone too. Releasing Barksdale very questionable. He has started games for this Rams this year. DVD was let go too soon – kid had talent just needed some more time – plus good special teams player.
Bad moves..
December 14th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
r00der Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
rockinraider sez: “So you’re into comic books?
Cool.
Problem is those roided out, tanked up, slooshed players died along with Archie comics.”
Your point is? It becomes obvious we got THIS team instead…and “fans” like you, worried about making a point. Miss the hi school debate buddies?
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Obviously English is your second language. Fine. No biggee.
If you go back to the post you copied that from, you’ll find your answer.
Or you can have someone explain it to you.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I’m pretty sure we will trade back on draft day to pick up a second rnder, i’m thinking there is a team out there with multiple 1’s and would be willing to part with 1 and a 2 to move up to draft one of the top 5 picks. Demontrae Moore is the only player that would make me consider keeping our pick.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
i was surprised too by the dvd and moore release.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
@281
Here’s what I would have done.
Retain Hue, let him continue the successful & enjoyable offense we have to keep the fans into it
Let him hire a DC like Del Rio(local guy, loves the Raiders)
Focus 75% of all personnel moves on the defense, and if a player that can help you on offense is available grab him if you think he can fit in. If we did that, there would be no wasted FA signing in Brisel. May have kept Kam. could have utilized Reece to be the primary backup. Could have found ways to feature Taiwann’s explosion. Then there would be no need to trade a backup lineman for a backup RB. I would have kept Barksdale & DVD to see if they can grow into productive football players. If not, then eventually release them.
The players would still believe in the head coach right now.
“I guarantee you coaches in KC, Denver & San Diego are happy Hue’s not back” TJ Housmanzadeh
December 14th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
GG,they saw what was there wasn’t good enough to mold into a winning team so they made changes and will continue to do so.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
December 14th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Those children were slaughtered with several legally purchased guns. Maybe it’s time to discuss some level of meaningful gun control.
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A full psychological evaluation should be done as part of the pre screening process for anyone who wants to buy a gun legally in this country.
Don’t be scared….if some of you people aren’t mentally straight and strong to be carryng gun. Than you’ll be called out on it and put on a list of people who can’t buy a gun legally due to you failing the psychological evaluation.
If you fail the psych eval, then you can’t be revaluated for another 5 years. Your on the failed list.
The potential gun owner will also have to pay for the psychological evaluation as well.
Makes it harder to buy a gun legally in the country.
The failures of the psych eval will still end up buying a gun illegally thru the black market anyway….but if they are caught….they go to jail for 5 years and are screwed.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
#281…
Uh, kept on the pre-existing coaching staff, and scouts, made a few changes in the front office upgrading computer system etc, establishing a hierarchy as he did, I agree with a number of acquisitions Reggie made to free up cap space, Bush Wimbley Routt etc all gone, that’s ok, but in keeping Hue as HC and his existing staff, there possibly would’ve only been a DC change, retain the schemes/systems in place naturally, and treated 2013 not as a Reggie Ego trip, but as CONTINUING the foundations that Al had in place before his passing. As a rookie GM myself, would’ve realized a slowly-slowly approach was needed to acclimate myself to the enormity of the role, not changed too much too quickly, and in TWEAKING what was already there, would look a genius and earn high reputation for being able to manufacture anything from an 8-8 to a 10+ season.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
r00der Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
rockinraider sez: “So you’re into comic books?
Cool.
Problem is those roided out, tanked up, slooshed players died along with Archie comics.”
Your point is? It becomes obvious we got THIS team instead…and “fans” like you, worried about making a point. Miss the hi school debate buddies?
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Obviously English is your second language. Fine. No biggee.
If you go back to the post you copied that from, you’ll find your answer.
Or you can have someone explain it to you.
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You truly are funny. If our O line was as good at misdirection as you, we’d be 10-3. You got nuttin’. Well, maybe a AA in ESL. I wonder who is at your elbow, watching a Raider game, correcting their ‘glish.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
KoolKell, where are you? You have pissed me off, now at least show up and give me a good fight.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
293. You on it bro.
Housh was not kidding either. I just hope Hue doesn’t get the OC/HC job at San Diego or KC next season… Or Cable for that matter. He’s doing great in Seattle and will probably get another shot at a HC job – would *hate* to see him go to KC. Hue and Cable would eat DA for lunch.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
293.MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
@281
Here’s what I would have done.
Retain Hue, let him continue the successful & enjoyable offense we have to keep the fans into it
Let him hire a DC like Del Rio(local guy, loves the Raiders)
Focus 75% of all personnel moves on the defense, and if a player that can help you on offense is available grab him if you think he can fit in. If we did that, there would be no wasted FA signing in Brisel. May have kept Kam. could have utilized Reece to be the primary backup. Could have found ways to feature Taiwann’s explosion. Then there would be no need to trade a backup lineman for a backup RB. I would have kept Barksdale & DVD to see if they can grow into productive football players. If not, then eventually release them.
The players would still believe in the head coach right now.
“I guarantee you coaches in KC, Denver & San Diego are happy Hue’s not back” TJ Housmanzadeh
^^^^^^^^
They sure were.
My buddies who live in SD and are Dis Charger fans loved it when Hue was fired, because they thought it was a stupid move and it would set the team back.
Like most NFL fans outside of the area think also. Davis and McK shouldn’t have let Hue go!
December 14th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
293. You on it bro.
Housh was not kidding either. I just hope Hue doesn’t get the OC/HC job at San Diego or KC next season… Or Cable for that matter. He’s doing great in Seattle and will probably get another shot at a HC job – would *hate* to see him go to KC. Hue and Cable would eat DA for lunch.
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Oh they would wipe the floor with him and if Reggie doesn’t cut or trade every AL pick, they will be the first ones to greet Hue & Cable after their butt-whipping.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
299.CDERaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
293. You on it bro.
Housh was not kidding either. I just hope Hue doesn’t get the OC/HC job at San Diego or KC next season… Or Cable for that matter. He’s doing great in Seattle and will probably get another shot at a HC job – would *hate* to see him go to KC. Hue and Cable would eat DA for lunch.
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They sure would.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/paul-gutierrez/none-declared-out-against-chiefs
Allen: ‘I thought we had one of our better weeks of practices’
LOL! Gawd he’s a pansy. Get rid of your Kansas City sharpie too re-re.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Can you imaging the HueJack offense in San Diego? – with Rivers/Matthews/Gates, etc? Oh man forget it. Or even in KC, with their RB’s/Bowe and likely Geno at QB? Both KC,SD would love to stick it to the Raiders and Hue would work *extra extra* hard to stick it to Mark Davis. Think the new Shannahan.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Twocents Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
KollKell, why have you disappeared? You sorry ass Navy whimp.
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I had to run to the store. calm down, fruitcake.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
“I guarantee you coaches in KC, Denver & San Diego are happy Hue’s not back” TJ Housmanzadeh
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Really,you can’t be serious.Everyone of those teams kicked our a$$ in the 2nd half of last year.Denver-huge comeback in the 2nd half with Teabow;KC-shut us out in Oakland;SD whipped their arse with us when they had nothing to play for and all we had to do was beat them and we win the division.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
we have had multiple coaching staffs with the same players with the same results (insanity). lets try the same staff with different core players..
December 14th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
“I guarantee you coaches in KC, Denver & San Diego are happy Hue’s not back” TJ Housmanzadeh
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Really,you can’t be serious.Everyone of those teams kicked our a$$ in the 2nd half of last year.Denver-huge comeback in the 2nd half with Teabow;KC-shut us out in Oakland;SD whipped their arse with us when they had nothing to play for and all we had to do was beat them and we win the division.
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LOL!
December 14th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
DHB will be on 95.7 the game at 6:30pm – they just refered to him as one of the few of the real ‘players’ on the team..
puulleeeasse..
December 14th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
“I guarantee you coaches in KC, Denver & San Diego are happy Hue’s not back” TJ Housmanzadeh
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Really,you can’t be serious.Everyone of those teams kicked our a$$ in the 2nd half of last year.Denver-huge comeback in the 2nd half with Teabow;KC-shut us out in Oakland;SD whipped their arse with us when they had nothing to play for and all we had to do was beat them and we win the division.
Denver won because of our pathetic defense that couldn’t stop their run, we gave up a Punt return for a TD. It was also Palmer’s first start yet he had no problem moving the ball on Tit’s squad.
KC we had freaking Boller who gave the game to them with 3 picks, then Palmer comes in there, doesn’t know the offense & throws 3 picks.
SD didn’t whip us. OUr Pathetic defense couldn’t force 1 punt for the playoffs…I’d like to add Palmer & DHB had career days that afternoon.
Now contrast that with this year’s squad…Plus we split with our division opponents last year. What’s this year gonna be? 1-5?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Sure Whoseyourmamma backs Hue,he was the only guy in the NFL who would give him a job last year by cutting a more productive player.SMH and LMAO at some of the comments on here.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Can you imaging the HueJack offense in San Diego? – with Rivers/Matthews/Gates, etc? Oh man forget it. Or even in KC, with their RB’s/Bowe and likely Geno at QB? Both KC,SD would love to stick it to the Raiders and Hue would work *extra extra* hard to stick it to Mark Davis. Think the new Shannahan.
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Don’t worry. I’m sure if we keep tits he will find a way to outsmart them.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
GG,they saw what was there wasn’t good enough to mold into a winning team so they made changes and will continue to do so.
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That’s what they lead you to believe, including Cork etc who toe the company line always spreading that seed of thought.
But what was here, and in VERY ADVERSE situation the previous two seasons (lockout, no training camp, al’s passing, starting QB down, RB down, WRs constantly out, Bresnahan, etc) we manufactured two 8-8 seasons with Hue’s influence.
Yes, Hue had a bit of a nut-job about him and flaws that he needed to work on, but the foundation was established, Al clearly picked Hue to be the next Gruden type, someone to carry forth the torch, Al publicly endorsed Hue as that person in the initial PC of his hiring. Re-watch it.
Anyway, not to harp on Hue so much, but Reggie is 100% responsible for CREATING a train-wreck football team when it wasn’t a train-wreck to begin with.
Instead of building on the foundation, he deliberately tore it down. And there’s no proof/indication that Reggie even knows how to build a better foundation or a successful one. If we give him 3-5 years we’ll know for sure. But there’s already indication with his nepotism, and his hiring of and continued support of Allen/Knapp/Tarver, and deliberately sitting on his hands thruout November. He didn’t even come out with a PC to address RN until Mark had to do it himself.
How he has operated, his agenda, he was MORE INTERESTED in destroying to rebuild in his own image.
I want to believe in Reggie, because he learned under Ron Wolf. But that doesn’t make him Ron Wolf either. Eliot Wolf hired as GM would’ve been better. No guarantee Eliot is Ron either, but I would’ve been more enthused with that.
Eliot also probably destroyed to rebuild, but I speculate he wouldn’t have been as bad and contradictory or as destructive as Reggie was. Eliot is more thoughtful than Reggie.
Like I’ve said, i’m okay with Reggie for 3-5 years. BUT…if he whatsoever endorses or lobbies for the retention of Allen/Knapp/Tarver then he immediately proves he is the wrong GM. Mark will know whether or not he is in their weekly talks. If he senses Reggie is endorsing these coaches retention, he should trust his heart that already told him post-Saints that this football product and coaching/GM personnel decisions are BS.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
i wonder why krapp dosent just watch film on the Pats for example and copy some of thier plays,(wait he probally cant figure them out.) i mean why no 2 tightend sets,misdirection,etc. Oh i know he cant teach them. Hes worthless.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Heyward bey has had his fair share of drops but he makes plays. Cant deny that.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Can you imaging the HueJack offense in San Diego? – with Rivers/Matthews/Gates, etc? Oh man forget it. Or even in KC, with their RB’s/Bowe and likely Geno at QB? Both KC,SD would love to stick it to the Raiders and Hue would work *extra extra* hard to stick it to Mark Davis. Think the new Shannahan.
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What a stupid fuk’n lame comment!
You have to be some fuk’n discharger fan. I talk to KC fans and they’re not that dumb.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Okay, you are back from the store. Was it a government store that satisfied your wants or was it some poor bastard that was besieged with regulation that he had to charge you double what it was worth?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
“I guarantee you coaches in KC, Denver & San Diego are happy Hue’s not back” TJ Housmanzadeh
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Really,you can’t be serious.Everyone of those teams kicked our a$$ in the 2nd half of last year.Denver-huge comeback in the 2nd half with Teabow;KC-shut us out in Oakland;SD whipped their arse with us when they had nothing to play for and all we had to do was beat them and we win the division.
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You trippin old man, the Den game was on the D as was the as was the SD game, and the KC was started by Boller enuff said. You guys kill me with your Hue hating, just cant admit that you guys were wrong for wanting Hue fired, but this season is proof so all the Hue hating now just looks childish.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
DHB NFL WR Rank
#8 salary
#60th in receptions, 51st in yds, 34th (tied) for TD’s
Something a little out of whack here, Reggie?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I’m pretty sure we will trade back on draft day to pick up a second rnder, i’m thinking there is a team out there with multiple 1’s and would be willing to part with 1 and a 2 to move up to draft one of the top 5 picks. Demontrae Moore is the only player that would make me consider keeping our pick.
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Evening Fellas,
Sad day. Sympathies to the Newport community.
Regarding a Team(s) with multiple 1st round picks.
I know that St Louis has a couple of mid round 1st’s.
Around 15 & 18 as of now.
Cincinnati also has a lower 1st, around 20 or so, and two 2nd’s.
Ours, and their own.
I’d be happy if Reggie could make a deal and trade down in either of these scenarios.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Heyward bey has had his fair share of drops but he makes plays. Cant deny that.
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The sun shines on a dogs ass every now and then.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
I’m pretty sure we will trade back on draft day to pick up a second rnder, i’m thinking there is a team out there with multiple 1’s and would be willing to part with 1 and a 2 to move up to draft one of the top 5 picks. Demontrae Moore is the only player that would make me consider keeping our pick.
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I damn sure hope we don’t trade back.
What are we looking at, pick 3 at worst?
KC and Jacksonville could both go QB.
I don’t see how we pass on the big NT or Moore.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Twocents Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Okay, you are back from the store. Was it a government store that satisfied your wants or was it some poor bastard that was besieged with regulation that he had to charge you double what it was worth?
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Safeways…………………I like em.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
#317, is at KoolKell.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
293.MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
@281
Here’s what I would have done.
Retain Hue, let him continue the successful & enjoyable offense we have to keep the fans into it
Let him hire a DC like Del Rio(local guy, loves the Raiders)
Focus 75% of all personnel moves on the defense, and if a player that can help you on offense is available grab him if you think he can fit in. If we did that, there would be no wasted FA signing in Brisel. May have kept Kam. could have utilized Reece to be the primary backup. Could have found ways to feature Taiwann’s explosion. Then there would be no need to trade a backup lineman for a backup RB. I would have kept Barksdale & DVD to see if they can grow into productive football players. If not, then eventually release them.
The players would still believe in the head coach right now.
“I guarantee you coaches in KC, Denver & San Diego are happy Hue’s not back” TJ Housmanzadeh
^^^^^^^^^
Exactly. When Bush wasn’t kept, I was screaming that Reece should have been the one to replace Bush’s role on the team if not even expand on what Bush brought.
But noooooooo…..DA and his crappy Knapp screwed that up to!
DA and his staff have already proven to be incompetent when it comes to player evaluation and using their players correctlt and putting them in the best spot to succeed.
These guys aren’t talking this team anywhere!
December 14th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I’m pretty sure we will trade back on draft day to pick up a second rnder, i’m thinking there is a team out there with multiple 1’s and would be willing to part with 1 and a 2 to move up to draft one of the top 5 picks. Demontrae Moore is the only player that would make me consider keeping our pick.
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Evening Fellas,
Sad day. Sympathies to the Newport community.
Regarding a Team(s) with multiple 1st round picks.
I know that St Louis has a couple of mid round 1st’s.
Around 15 & 18 as of now.
Cincinnati also has a lower 1st, around 20 or so, and two 2nd’s.
Ours, and their own.
I’d be happy if Reggie could make a deal and trade down in either of these scenarios.
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That would be a dam shame if we had to trade for our own 2nd round pick back.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
We need IMPACT playerS, with an emphasis on the S!!!
We HAVE to get one with our top pick and one FA.
Can’t trade back.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
I damn sure hope we don’t trade back.
What are we looking at, pick 3 at worst?
KC and Jacksonville could both go QB.
I don’t see how we pass on the big NT or Moore.
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I like Lotulelei and Moore, as well as the Joeckle kid.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
318.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
“I guarantee you coaches in KC, Denver & San Diego are happy Hue’s not back” TJ Housmanzadeh
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Really,you can’t be serious.Everyone of those teams kicked our a$$ in the 2nd half of last year.Denver-huge comeback in the 2nd half with Teabow;KC-shut us out in Oakland;SD whipped their arse with us when they had nothing to play for and all we had to do was beat them and we win the division.
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You trippin old man, the Den game was on the D as was the as was the SD game, and the KC was started by Boller enuff said. You guys kill me with your Hue hating, just cant admit that you guys were wrong for wanting Hue fired, but this season is proof so all the Hue hating now just looks childish.
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Hue haters have ZERO credibility!
December 14th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
323….lol
December 14th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
I don’t see the fuss regarding our former BACKUP RB.
Goodson looked just fine when he was backing up 20 and everyone LOVES Reece.
Bush didn’t WANT to come back to Oakland.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
id be happy if reggie could tie his shoes…
December 14th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
That would be a dam shame if we had to trade for our own 2nd round pick back.
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Agree. Pretty bitter pill.
But….if Reggie trades Carson for a 1 or 2 maybe it eases the pain. lol
It’s obvious we are in rebuild mode.
I’d stockpile as much cap room and draft picks as possible.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
we have had multiple coaching staffs with the same players with the same results (insanity). lets try the same staff with different core players..
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That’s way too pragmattic to fly on this blog. But I definitely concur.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
need a whammer like crockett…
December 14th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
I’m pretty sure we will trade back on draft day to pick up a second rnder, i’m thinking there is a team out there with multiple 1’s and would be willing to part with 1 and a 2 to move up to draft one of the top 5 picks. Demontrae Moore is the only player that would make me consider keeping our pick.
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I damn sure hope we don’t trade back.
What are we looking at, pick 3 at worst?
KC and Jacksonville could both go QB.
I don’t see how we pass on the big NT or Moore.
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I just looked at Todd Mcshay’s Mock and he has Star and Moore going 1,2 and the Raiders picking the DE outta FSU, Ill pass on that guy. How bout dem Lakers ROLMFAO.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
repeating 3-13…is insane.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
KoolKell, why do you like “em”.?
Because you can go there and satisfy your needs.
That is called a free market. So why do you demand a government economy that will only tell you what you can have?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Bush was never offered a contract. DMAC is his best friend, still is. He would have come back. Starting was not the issue, it was money and he was offered *no contract*.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Look youngster,before you open your know-it-all mouth try actually knowing what you speak of.I never hated Hue nor did I ‘want’ him fired.I believed and still believe that when a new GM is hired he has the right to hire whomever he wishes and feels comfortable working with.If Jackson would have been retained I would have been fine with that.But don’t come here and tell us how great he was.He wasn’t!He was out-coached in the 2nd half of just about every game he coached.He was better as a coordinator because he had someone watching over him-controlling him if you will.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
We need IMPACT playerS, with an emphasis on the S!!!
We HAVE to get one with our top pick and one FA.
Can’t trade back.
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I agree we need impact players.
I’d like to believe that Reggie could find one mid 1st round, but I understand that a top 3 pick SHOULD provide one.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Bush was interviewed on radio and said he fully expected to return to the Raiders and was shocked when he wasn’t contacted at all by Mark or Reggie.
Fail.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
293.MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
@281
Here’s what I would have done.
Retain Hue, let him continue the successful & enjoyable offense we have to keep the fans into it
Let him hire a DC like Del Rio(local guy, loves the Raiders)
Focus 75% of all personnel moves on the defense, and if a player that can help you on offense is available grab him if you think he can fit in. If we did that, there would be no wasted FA signing in Brisel. May have kept Kam. could have utilized Reece to be the primary backup. Could have found ways to feature Taiwann’s explosion. Then there would be no need to trade a backup lineman for a backup RB. I would have kept Barksdale & DVD to see if they can grow into productive football players. If not, then eventually release them.
The players would still believe in the head coach right now.
“I guarantee you coaches in KC, Denver & San Diego are happy Hue’s not back” TJ Housmanzadeh
^^^^^^^^
They sure were.
My buddies who live in SD and are Dis Charger fans loved it when Hue was fired, because they thought it was a stupid move and it would set the team back.
Like most NFL fans outside of the area think also. Davis and McK shouldn’t have let Hue go!
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The 8-8 season was a “mirage”. It didn’t happen. There’s a group of Raider fans petitioning the league office to forfeit the games won becuz they were not “real”.
The 2,200 page accusatory indictment and petition is asking the league to consider removing the 8 wins because:
-Weak schedule (only team in league with weak schedule)
-Close victories (could’ve gone either way…don’t count)
-SD game at SD (Palmer was playing in his “back yard” from his mome in LaJolla. Doesn’t count)
-At Houston (The “Al game”. Team played beyond themselves therefore it should not count)
-Special Asterisk being requested for game at KC game for the following reasons:
1) Seymour blocked two kicks. Doesn’t count winning that way.
2) If Palmer doesn’t hit that long pass to DHB no way we win that one. Verdict=Doesn’t count.
3) Overtime wins don’t count.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
That would be a dam shame if we had to trade for our own 2nd round pick back.
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Agree. Pretty bitter pill.
But….if Reggie trades Carson for a 1 or 2 maybe it eases the pain. lol
It’s obvious we are in rebuild mode.
I’d stockpile as much cap room and draft picks as possible.
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I’m not in favor of trading Palmer, we need that guy we just need to get the run game going build a stout line(like we did for Gannon) in front of him so he doesnt have to run for his life and throw off his back foot so much.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
IMPACT players is right!!!!!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
gannon wasnt a turnover prone player..carson is.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Without a 2nd or 4th rounder Reggie needs to trade down – but not too far, maybe dropping 5-7 picks and stay in the top 10, you can pick up those lost picks and still get an impact player on top 10. Considering the depth on defense of this draft, I would like to see Reggie hustle and trade down twice and pick up 5 quality players in the 1st 3 rounds.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
That would be a dam shame if we had to trade for our own 2nd round pick back.
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Agree. Pretty bitter pill.
But….if Reggie trades Carson for a 1 or 2 maybe it eases the pain. lol
It’s obvious we are in rebuild mode.
I’d stockpile as much cap room and draft picks as possible.
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I’m not in favor of trading Palmer, we need that guy we just need to get the run game going build a stout line(like we did for Gannon) in front of him so he doesnt have to run for his life and throw off his back foot so much.
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our team is young…we need a young franchise to grow with them.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
The estimate of how good a head coach that Hue was can be judged based on how many teams wanted to hire him: None.
He may be an offensive coordinator but he doesn’t have the demonstrated ability-or the tempermant-to be a head coach.
McKenzie was right to fire him.
End of story.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
I’m not in favor of trading Palmer, we need that guy we just need to get the run game going build a stout line(like we did for Gannon) in front of him so he doesnt have to run for his life and throw off his back foot so much.
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I hear you.
I’m open to all possibilities as a means of improving the Team so that we have a winning product by 2014.
Palmer is an asset and needs to be handled as such.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
geno smith or manti te’o should be who we are targeting..i think te’o could do for a defense what willis did for s.f.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Carson is a turnover machine, wouldnt miss him at all.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
How bout dem Lakers ROLMFAO.
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ROTFLMFAO too!
December 14th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Look youngster,before you open your know-it-all mouth try actually knowing what you speak of.I never hated Hue nor did I ‘want’ him fired.I believed and still believe that when a new GM is hired he has the right to hire whomever he wishes and feels comfortable working with.If Jackson would have been retained I would have been fine with that.But don’t come here and tell us how great he was.He wasn’t!He was out-coached in the 2nd half of just about every game he coached.He was better as a coordinator because he had someone watching over him-controlling him if you will.
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How can you say you had no problem with keeping Hue but in the same breath say he was out coached and deserves to just be an OC. Its clear you are on the Hue hating bandwagon. Regardless of how you or any other person try to spin it firing Hue was a colossal mistake and this dreadful season is proof of that. The game has passed you by old man but you shouldnt feel bad it passed Joe Gibbs and Art Shell too, but youll always have your 70’s Raiders to reminisce on.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Mckenzie was right to fire hue but hed be wrong to fire Da? Give me a break, you people say anything.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Twocents Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
KoolKell, why do you like “em”.?
Because you can go there and satisfy your needs.
That is called a free market. So why do you demand a government economy that will only tell you what you can have?
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I have no idea what you are referring to. Some of your whack conspiracy theories are indecipherable.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
If KC and the Jags pass on Geno Smith, then we better not take him, imo.
Best case scenario would be for Smith and Barkley to go 1 and 2.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Look youngster,before you open your know-it-all mouth try actually knowing what you speak of.I never hated Hue nor did I ‘want’ him fired.I believed and still believe that when a new GM is hired he has the right to hire whomever he wishes and feels comfortable working with.If Jackson would have been retained I would have been fine with that.But don’t come here and tell us how great he was.He wasn’t!He was out-coached in the 2nd half of just about every game he coached.He was better as a coordinator because he had someone watching over him-controlling him if you will.
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Fair analysis. I wanted Hue back for many reasons but was not blind to some of his mistakes. Some of them I attribute to having not only the duties of a HC but also handling GM duties. He also lost his qb, top rb, key receivers.
The big one: He was a 1st yr. HC.
I’ve seen worse mistakes being made by coaches who are well respected and have been in the league for years. Lovie Smith comes to mind. Bears had an obvious td (as shown on replay) and Lovie just simply refused to challenge. Bears were in the lead and maybe he thought they didn’t need the score..but the replay showed it wasn’t even close. They ended up losing the game.
Hue wasn’t perfect, but with all he had going against him, to finish as well as he did ….was actually a big accomplishment.
A big reason I wanted him back was i liked his fire and passion for the Raiders. He seemed like “one of us”.
I really thought when he DID get fired that we would improve with a new coach shoring up the D and winning games we would have lost last yr.
I was wrong…
You are right about Hue having bad 2nd halves, but i guess he cut him a little more slack considering everything.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Hue was being laughed at. By the media. By many, if not most of the fans here, and pretty much on any Raider board.
go back and check when Hue got fired. Very few fans stated he was doing a good job, never mind great job.
When you lose 4 of your last 5, especially the last one, which was penciled in as a win, that would get you the division?
No, he wasn’t all that, or even that.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
If KC and the Jags pass on Geno Smith, then we better not take him, imo.
Best case scenario would be for Smith and Barkley to go 1 and 2.
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got to!
December 14th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
geno smith or manti te’o should be who we are targeting..i think te’o could do for a defense what willis did for s.f.
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CHILD PLEASE, Manti will be exposed by Bama in the Title game and as far as Geno goes if KC wont pick him why in the hell should we?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
geno smith the best qb coming out of college to me (college that is, who knows how any of em will play in the nfl, and im and orange county resident and sc fan)..we should go for him.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Hue was being laughed at. By the media. By many, if not most of the fans here, and pretty much on any Raider board.
go back and check when Hue got fired. Very few fans stated he was doing a good job, never mind great job.
When you lose 4 of your last 5, especially the last one, which was penciled in as a win, that would get you the division?
No, he wasn’t all that, or even that.
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Guess you didnt see that world class D we trotted out every week.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Mckenzie was right to fire hue but hed be wrong to fire Da? Give me a break, you people say anything.
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Not sure you get it.
How is it not obvious that a new GM would choose to pick his OWN GUY, instead of keeping a mouthy prima donna who went public stating he expected more control?
You really don’t get it?
Or is it that you refuse to admit the obvious?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
I don’t think it’s so much “Hue Haters” as it is Raider lovers.
He is no longer OUR coach, so PHHUUCCC him!
December 14th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
OBVIOUSLY, Hue did something to piss off the owner.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
geno smith or manti te’o should be who we are targeting..i think te’o could do for a defense what willis did for s.f.
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CHILD PLEASE, Manti will be exposed by Bama in the Title game and as far as Geno goes if KC wont pick him why in the hell should we?
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1st, im 37, im not a child..
2nd, why not? hit or miss on any pick, imagine a hit with geno, we in newton territory know..
December 14th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
gannon wasnt a turnover prone player..carson is.
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Go back and check Gannons oline, he had some of the best and a top running game to boot. Kinda unfair to compare the two.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
i meant we in newton territory now…
December 14th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
I think it’s hilarious that the players are lobbying to come back next year. “Especially in the secondary”??????
Huff really expects the same secondary back next season????
LMFAO
December 14th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Hue was being laughed at. By the media. By many, if not most of the fans here, and pretty much on any Raider board.
go back and check when Hue got fired. Very few fans stated he was doing a good job, never mind great job.
When you lose 4 of your last 5, especially the last one, which was penciled in as a win, that would get you the division?
No, he wasn’t all that, or even that.
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Guess you didnt see that world class D we trotted out every week.
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What does that have to do with losing 4 of last 5? Or a head coach who did a 180 after the owner died, who felt no one could tell him to chill out?
Hue got routinely outcoached. Even he admitted he made some really stupid mistakes. AND THEN WENT OUT AND MADE THE SAME MISTAKES. He benched players (DHB being one of them) for a game or two, and when asked stated he explained it to the players. Both players stated Hue didn’t say a single thing to them.
What GM would want to deal with a guy who acted like he should be the GM? Or who stated to all he should be involved with everything the GM does?
Makes no sense. None, what so ever.
BTW. Even he admitted, after he was fired, that he should have kept his big mouth shut.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Mckenzie was right to fire hue but hed be wrong to fire Da? Give me a break, you people say anything.
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Not sure you get it.
How is it not obvious that a new GM would choose to pick his OWN GUY, instead of keeping a mouthy prima donna who went public stating he expected more control?
You really don’t get it?
Or is it that you refuse to admit the obvious?
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Here’s the obvious:
8-8
3-10
Next.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
gannon wasnt a turnover prone player..carson is.
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Go back and check Gannons oline, he had some of the best and a top running game to boot. Kinda unfair to compare the two.
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it isnt, stats and fact are there…check carson as a bengal, and dont forget the eyeball test.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
For you arithmetic challenged: 8-8 is a lot better than 3-10
December 14th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
We have a better chance of Gruden coming back than Hue.
Get over it!
December 14th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
An ILB 3rd overall or higher????
Manti is a one year wonder.
We just drafted an all world LB with a high pick and apparently are regretting it.
Keep it simple and take either Lotuleilei or Moore.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
geno smith or manti te’o should be who we are targeting..i think te’o could do for a defense what willis did for s.f.
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CHILD PLEASE, Manti will be exposed by Bama in the Title game and as far as Geno goes if KC wont pick him why in the hell should we?
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1st, im 37, im not a child..
2nd, why not? hit or miss on any pick, imagine a hit with geno, we in newton territory know..
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Dont take offense to the Child please its a Ocho Cinco thing no disrespect intended, But I pass on Geno because for 1 if the Chiefs pass on him and they REALLY need a QB then I know something is wrong and for 2 we cant afford to miss with this pick, we need the closet thing to a sure thing and that to me is Demontrae Moore who seems to be moving up the boards rapidly and he is the only player I would take with a top 5 pick, other than that trade down and aquire more picks for Reggie to work with.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
For you arithmetic challenged: 8-8 is a lot better than 3-10
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it isnt when 8-8 will only get you 8-8, sum times you have to tear down to rebuild.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
For you arithmetic challenged: 8-8 is a lot better than 3-10
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Unless your name is Cable?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
An ILB 3rd overall or higher????
Manti is a one year wonder.
We just drafted an all world LB with a high pick and apparently are regretting it.
Keep it simple and take either Lotuleilei or Moore.
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its a risk for sure, like any pick, but the eyeball test..
December 14th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
According to the “black” man KoolKell, I have whacked conspiracy theories.
KoolKell joined the Navy of his own free will. He is proud of it.
I was conscripted into the military with a gun to my head.
KoolKell wants you to believe that he needs special treatment because he is a descendant of slaves.
Now I ask you, you has been the actual victim?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Sure, 8-8 and 3-10 are different things.
But one thing they have in common — the designation of Loser.
Raiders at 8-8 and 3-10 are losers.
DA and Hubris produced losers.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
I think it’s hilarious that the players are lobbying to come back next year. “Especially in the secondary”??????
Huff really expects the same secondary back next season????
LMFAO
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Ya that’s what killing the scholarship program will do.
Some of these guys realize they might be out of a job.
Hell if I were on the bubble and my million plus pay day was in jeapordy, I’d be talking about continuity as well.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Build the trenches, it’s where the war is won.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
For you arithmetic challenged: 8-8 is a lot better than 3-10
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it isnt when 8-8 will only get you 8-8, sum times you have to tear down to rebuild.
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Your speculation. But factually 8-8 is better than 3-10
December 14th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
geno smith or manti te’o should be who we are targeting..i think te’o could do for a defense what willis did for s.f.
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CHILD PLEASE, Manti will be exposed by Bama in the Title game and as far as Geno goes if KC wont pick him why in the hell should we?
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1st, im 37, im not a child..
2nd, why not? hit or miss on any pick, imagine a hit with geno, we in newton territory know..
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Dont take offense to the Child please its a Ocho Cinco thing no disrespect intended, But I pass on Geno because for 1 if the Chiefs pass on him and they REALLY need a QB then I know something is wrong and for 2 we cant afford to miss with this pick, we need the closet thing to a sure thing and that to me is Demontrae Moore who seems to be moving up the boards rapidly and he is the only player I would take with a top 5 pick, other than that trade down and aquire more picks for Reggie to work with.
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none taken for sure, love debates..but we need to hit on a franchise soon or we’ll be in this same situation for years..
December 14th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
318.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
“I guarantee you coaches in KC, Denver & San Diego are happy Hue’s not back” TJ Housmanzadeh
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Really,you can’t be serious.Everyone of those teams kicked our a$$ in the 2nd half of last year.Denver-huge comeback in the 2nd half with Teabow;KC-shut us out in Oakland;SD whipped their arse with us when they had nothing to play for and all we had to do was beat them and we win the division.
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You trippin old man, the Den game was on the D as was the as was the SD game, and the KC was started by Boller enuff said. You guys kill me with your Hue hating, just cant admit that you guys were wrong for wanting Hue fired, but this season is proof so all the Hue hating now just looks childish.
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Hue haters have ZERO credibility!
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I’ve seen you post the same crap over and over regarding Hue. Also read post after post explaining, painfully slow, to you, why Hue should go.
You ignored 100% of the posts. Instead you post the same exact comments, over and over.
You’re like a little child who whines that he wants a candy bar. There are no candy bars in the house. He knows there are no candy bars in the house. yet he still whines, over and over.
You’re pretty much a waste of time. And yes, I’m aware I just wasted 30 seconds of telling a little boy there is no candy.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Build the trenches, it’s where the war is won.
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love it!
December 14th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Al Davis surely loved 8-8…
When Tom Cable said the Raiders were no longer losers at 8-8, Davis was not amused by the coach’s chest pumping.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
For you arithmetic challenged: 8-8 is a lot better than 3-10
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it isnt when 8-8 will only get you 8-8, sum times you have to tear down to rebuild.
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Your speculation. But factually 8-8 is better than 3-10
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Losers pine for 8-8 seasons.
Pathetic losers pine for it instead of 3-10.
You sure you’re not a Az Card fan?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Build the trenches, it’s where the war is won.
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100%
December 14th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Hue was being laughed at. By the media. By many, if not most of the fans here, and pretty much on any Raider board.
go back and check when Hue got fired. Very few fans stated he was doing a good job, never mind great job.
When you lose 4 of your last 5, especially the last one, which was penciled in as a win, that would get you the division?
No, he wasn’t all that, or even that.
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Guess you didnt see that world class D we trotted out every week.
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What does that have to do with losing 4 of last 5? Or a head coach who did a 180 after the owner died, who felt no one could tell him to chill out?
Hue got routinely outcoached. Even he admitted he made some really stupid mistakes. AND THEN WENT OUT AND MADE THE SAME MISTAKES. He benched players (DHB being one of them) for a game or two, and when asked stated he explained it to the players. Both players stated Hue didn’t say a single thing to them.
What GM would want to deal with a guy who acted like he should be the GM? Or who stated to all he should be involved with everything the GM does?
Makes no sense. None, what so ever.
BTW. Even he admitted, after he was fired, that he should have kept his big mouth shut.
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What dont you understand about 8-8 that should have been 12-4 as a Rookie HC. The D cost us the Buff game the Den game the Det game and the SD game. what is so hard to understand? You are just another Hue hater who doesnt have a clue what the guy did for this franchise.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
A lot of the same good things said about the last ILB we took with a high draft pick.
The 6-foot-4, 258-pound McClain leads the Tide with 101 tackles, including 12.5 tackles for loss and four sacks. He returned one of his two interceptions for a touchdown.
But he also serves as the defense’s playcaller and leader, getting chosen as a captain by his teammates the day after Alabama beat Florida 32-13 in the SEC title game.
“It’s not only the playing ability – that’s quite obvious,” Butkus said. “What it also entails is that people in his situation, people look up to him. He becomes a hero to a lot of people. Whether they like it or not, it’s a responsibility for the athlete. That’s what we say on this trophy is that you should never flinch in the All-Amnerican tradition of giving back. He’s got a wonderful opportunity to help other people.”
Saban said he thinks the 51-person committee “selected the right guy” in both regards.
“He did a fantastic job for his team, but he also influenced his teammates in a very positive way,” the coach said. “His performance and his production individually was off the charts. In every way, from a performance/production standpoint, from a leadership standpoint, his contribution to the team’s success was as much as anybody on our team. And we’re really proud of him for that.”
ILBs can’t help us in pass coverage or 3rd downs in general.
PASS!!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Yeah, 8-8 is the best record around here in years? Lol. Sure miss it.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
KoolKell
Raiders at 8-8 and 3-10 are losers.
DA and Hubris produced losers.
Mark Davis and Reggie Davis get to make the call on whether DA gets a shot at getting beyond 8-8.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
we as a nation have come to believe (because of the losing) that our good players are better than they are, are bar has been lowered by management…most of our starters would be bench players on other teams..we need to rid the core of the last 6-10 years and try to regroup…FAN FOR LIFE IF WE NEVER WIN ANOTHER GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
we were at 8-8 but not at an upward trend with the players and coaches we had imo..
December 14th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
397
Right there with you! 100%
December 14th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
397
Right there with you! 100%
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and this has been are biggest downfall in recent years, you cant plug a hole on a losing team.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
This regime is called Team Laxative
December 14th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Hey, if some of you are saying Hue had to go cuz 8-8 doesn’t meet your high standards of Raider excellence and you give no slack for him being a 1st yr. HC and any of the other ‘issues’ he had to deal with, than please don’t give excuse after excuse for how 3-10 and getting blistered and blownout every week is somehow better and that we should give THEM the patience and understanding you refuse to give the previous coach.
Good thing Al didn’t can Gruden after his consecutive 8-8 seasons.
High Raider standards are what we should have. I agree 100%.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Hey koolkell. I’m curious about something.
I noticed that when other posters are exchanging comments/insults, you jump in asking if they have anything to say about the Raiders, adding “troll” or whatever.
Have you said one thing about the Raiders in your last 50 posts, troll?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
We were trending upward just neede a few tweeks on defense. Our players believed under hue and there was better chemistry. This team doesnt even compare.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Eastoaklandraider
My main gripe with Hubris was when he became the de facto GM — he helped engineer the Palmer trade — he could have sent Chuck B. packing as D-coordinator.
Hubris said he lost confidence in the D after the Buffalo debacle. And if he had lost the confidence then, when Al Davis died, and he was given unprecedented power over roster and staff, why didn’t Hubris throw Chuck B off the train?
People say who could have Hubris replaced Chuck B. with?
That is true, but, if D is to blame for the shortcomings under Hue’s command, why didn’t he attempt to remedy the situation?
Hubris’ offense was fun to watch, no doubt.
But that was my main problem with Hubris — keeping Chuck B in place.
And I’m not a Chuck B. super-hater. He was the man running the D during the Gruden years and he did well.
Don’t understand why he failed miserably in his second go-around. Talent? Teaching ability?
What ever it was, it was no good.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
we were at 8-8 but not at an upward trend with the players and coaches we had imo..
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Yes, and that downward trend has descended farther and farther with each game.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
#401 and #402 are once again on the mark.
A lot of others continue to miss the important details.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
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What dont you understand about 8-8 that should have been 12-4 as a Rookie HC. The D cost us the Buff game the Den game the Det game and the SD game. what is so hard to understand? You are just another Hue hater who doesnt have a clue what the guy did for this franchise.
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You like to selectively pick out comments, don’t you?
I mean, I detailed how Hue’s big mouth got him fired, but you completely ignore that, and go back to the record.
Why even reply?
Wasting my time, and yours. go talk to the mirror, see if you can make sense to that guy.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Hadn’t sniffed 8-8 in 10 years, and somebody trying to tell me, ” we’ll we weren’t on an upward trend”
Damn. Facts mean nothing today.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
DJ Johnny
Hubris and DA — in my book — failures.
Up to Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie whether or not DA gets a chance to break 8-8 barrier.
Interesting note, 8 wins in regular season is coaching goal in Madden when you begin career mode with DA as Raiders head coach.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
we were at 8-8 but not at an upward trend with the players and coaches we had imo..
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How do you know that when the coach who was responsible for bringing our O back to respectability was fired after a successful Rookie season? Just go back and look at the Raiders before Hue and look at them after Hue and tell me we werent trending upward. The fact is NOW we are def NOT trending anywhere.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
We were trending upward just neede a few tweeks on defense. Our players believed under hue and there was better chemistry. This team doesnt even compare.
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we were not trending upward, an aging qb on a young team? a few tweaks on d? are suddenly capable o blanketing are inefficiencies on d? the carson trade has only prolonged are sure to rise to greatness (i love u al)..
December 14th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
we were at 8-8 but not at an upward trend with the players and coaches we had imo..
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Hadn’t sniffed 8-8 in 10 years, and somebody trying to tell me, ” we’ll we weren’t on an upward trend”
Damn. Facts mean nothing today.
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opinions dont either.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
#3 pick – trade for #10, 2013 2nd, 2013 3rd, 2014 3rd.
#10 – trade for #18, 2013 2nd, 2014 3rd, 2014 3rd.
#18 – Johnathan Jenkins, NT, Georgia
2nd round – John Simon, DE, Ohio State
2nd round – Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
3rd round – Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, Connecticut
3rd round – Jonathan Bostic, ILB Florida State
4th round – Rick Wagner, OT, Wisconsin
5th round – Marc Anthony, CB California
6th round – Knile Davis, RB, Arkansas
7th round – DE/OLB – Lavar Edwards DE/OLB, LSU
December 14th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Rockinraider are you mc20?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Nope raidersince87 must be mc20
December 14th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
we were at 8-8 but not at an upward trend with the players and coaches we had imo..
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How do you know that when the coach who was responsible for bringing our O back to respectability was fired after a successful Rookie season? Just go back and look at the Raiders before Hue and look at them after Hue and tell me we werent trending upward. The fact is NOW we are def NOT trending anywhere.
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hue was great as an oc but not as a coach..would i have loved to keep him as a oc ..hellz yaz!!!…but imo it was our core of players drafted in the last so or so years.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Hadn’t sniffed 8-8 in 10 years, and somebody trying to tell me, ” we’ll we weren’t on an upward trend”
Damn. Facts mean nothing today.
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opinions dont either.
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8-8 > 3-10, fact? Lol.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
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What dont you understand about 8-8 that should have been 12-4 as a Rookie HC. The D cost us the Buff game the Den game the Det game and the SD game. what is so hard to understand? You are just another Hue hater who doesnt have a clue what the guy did for this franchise.
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You like to selectively pick out comments, don’t you?
I mean, I detailed how Hue’s big mouth got him fired, but you completely ignore that, and go back to the record.
Why even reply?
Wasting my time, and yours. go talk to the mirror, see if you can make sense to that guy.
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Who cares what a coach TALKS about the bottom line is winning, Rex Ryan talks a dam good game but nobody cares when you dont win, meanwhile Belicheck doesnt say anything to excite you but his record speaks for him. You go ahead and keep hanging on every word a coach speaks and Ill stick to the win loss column. Hue was 8-8 as a rookie HC in the face of plenty of turmoil around him, that is a FACT now go spin that.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
my name is jesse, im 37, i livein orange county..my grandfather and dad both born in oakland..check my face book..jesse slatton.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
oolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Hadn’t sniffed 8-8 in 10 years, and somebody trying to tell me, ” we’ll we weren’t on an upward trend”
Damn. Facts mean nothing today.
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opinions dont either.
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8-8 > 3-10, fact? Lol.
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in math, not sports.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
My main gripe with Hubris was when he became the de facto GM — he helped engineer the Palmer trade — he could have sent Chuck B. packing as D-coordinator.
Hubris said he lost confidence in the D after the Buffalo debacle. And if he had lost the confidence then, when Al Davis died, and he was given unprecedented power over roster and staff, why didn’t Hubris throw Chuck B off the train?
People say who could have Hubris replaced Chuck B. with?
That is true, but, if D is to blame for the shortcomings under Hue’s command, why didn’t he attempt to remedy the situation?
Hubris’ offense was fun to watch, no doubt.
But that was my main problem with Hubris — keeping Chuck B in place.
And I’m not a Chuck B. super-hater. He was the man running the D during the Gruden years and he did well.
Don’t understand why he failed miserably in his second go-around. Talent? Teaching ability?
What ever it was, it was no good.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
we were at 8-8 but not at an upward trend with the players and coaches we had imo..
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From 5-11 to 8-8 is not an upward trend? Really? Hmmm.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
we were at 8-8 but not at an upward trend with the players and coaches we had imo..
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How do you know that when the coach who was responsible for bringing our O back to respectability was fired after a successful Rookie season? Just go back and look at the Raiders before Hue and look at them after Hue and tell me we werent trending upward. The fact is NOW we are def NOT trending anywhere.
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Exactly. A smart rookie GM would have tweaked and slowly-slowly approached his first year. Not been so agenda-driven to wipe it out so quickly purely to rebuild in his own image. Causing 3+ years of further league cellar-dwelling…especially with the stadium issues, and blackout problems, pressing the owner.
What’s worse than turning an 8-8 foundation into a created train-wreck, tho, is to retain much of the coaching staff and continue the agenda for another season. If Reggie was genuine about improving this team…he would’ve forced the firing and play-call stripping of Knapp mid-season, and if he was still genuine he would force Knapp/Tarver out if he wanted to retain Allen still.
Reggie did nothing but sit on his hands thruout November. It took Mark Davis coming out, forcing Reggie to say something after. In fact, I’d say Reggie was quite content with the situation during November, seeing it turn into a further train-wreck gives him ammo to blame al’s players to Mark, to give him further leeway to entirely strip the roster.
Mark has made it clear he wanted Pryor to play, Reggie gave lip-service he wants to see him, but up to the coaches, already deferring control/authority to Allen, when Reggie runs the entire Football Operation. And Allen thus has had to draw up some BS package for Pryor and say “if a situation presents itself” and proceeds over the next three weeks (so far) to NOT allow Pryor to play.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Even a known Al critic like Kell isn’t holding the fact that Hue was one of “Al’s guys” against him.
I really think that plays into alot of guys’ opinions on Hue. He’s a holdover from the evil Al regime.
Some people are just so un-bendable in their stances.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Hue was great as an oc, knapp and Da are great at nothing.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
What seems to go over so many of your heads is this year we did ‘tweak’ the defense like you wanted and have claimed is all we needed to do.How is that defense doing this year?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
oolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Hadn’t sniffed 8-8 in 10 years, and somebody trying to tell me, ” we’ll we weren’t on an upward trend”
Damn. Facts mean nothing today.
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opinions dont either.
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8-8 > 3-10, fact? Lol.
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in math, not sports.
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Hmmm. Math…………….Sports hmmm………………..doesn’t the team with the biggest number win?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Should have hired Kliff Kingsbury as our O.C.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
TP should be the starting QB on Sunday.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
What seems to go over so many of your heads is this year we did ‘tweak’ the defense like you wanted and have claimed is all we needed to do.How is that defense doing this year?
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Much better since we got rid of McLain.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
i loved hue, his imaginative play calling, his attitude toward the rest of the nation haters, wrong place wrong time type thing..
December 14th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Call me antiquated, old-school, or dated, but, I am a big-fan of Al Davis’ man-to-man, front-four natural pressure, defense.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
What seems to go over so many of your heads is this year we did ‘tweak’ the defense like you wanted and have claimed is all we needed to do.How is that defense doing this year?
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Traver more than “tweaked” the defense
December 14th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
*Tarver
December 14th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
kell you right statistically but not in the advancement of a sports franchise.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Hue was great as an oc, knapp and Da are great at nothing.
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We differ on the definition of great.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
math always has a true outcome…sports not so much…
December 14th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Tweaking would’ve meant retaining the HC, OC, the entire support coaching staff, and replaced Bresnahan with a new vet DC like say Del Rio, who understand various principles, not switch entirely to zone especially when the playing group for 2+ years were all experienced and coached in the systems in place.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Hue was great as an oc, knapp and Da are great at nothing.
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Yes Hue excelled at is specialty= Offense
DA failed at his specialty= Defense
and destroyed the offense by hiring Knapp.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I like Al Davis offensive football. Pound the ball till they come up, then throw it behind them.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Traver Tarver, they both suck. Lol
December 14th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Raider E Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
I used to respect your stance, now I want you to at least have some respect for 20 INNOCENT CHILDREN.
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That’s what happens when you place KIDS on mind-altering drugs and hand Prozac out like it’s vitamin c. These things have these effects. It’s even written on the bottles, but noone wants to confront it.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Actually what they are doing is ridding the team of dead weight,scholarship wannabe players.You guys are so hung up on ‘whose’ players they are,you can’t see the reality of what is happening.
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Lefty12 Exactly who are these dead weight players they’ve gotten rid of and who excatly did they replace them with? Answer these questions and lets see if we can agree?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Cable brought this team up from,what,5-11 to 8-8 and most wanted him run out of town.Jackson went 8-8 with a team that was 8-8 and he is idolized.Cable swept the division,jackson split.Don’t see any upward spiral from Cable to Jackson.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
I am a big-fan of Al Davis’ man-to-man, front-four natural pressure, defense.
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Exclusively???
I love that defense too, but we should certainly be able to mix it up with some zones and blitzes.
Zone is simply mental. Just be int eh right damn place. Understand where the ball needs to be thrown and be there!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
kell you right statistically but not in the advancement of a sports franchise.
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That’s an easy vague statement to make. But hey, I’m just a fan since 64′
December 14th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
As to the Raiders, Knapp is sooooo full of crap.
Knapp saya “Every place I’ve been to, it’s usually going to take at least a year’s transition time to get everything taught … ,” He proceeds to say how the 2nd year it gets much better, but in his last 3 stops, his 2nd year actually had WORST stats and production.
This guys is STUCK in the past when his scheme worked 14 years ago. The days have changed since then, and he’s sticking to “what he knows”.
I wouldn’t give him a 2nd year. BECAUSE look at how he did his last few stints 2nd year. Just got worse.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
My main gripe with Hubris was when he became the de facto GM — he helped engineer the Palmer trade — he could have sent Chuck B. packing as D-coordinator.
Hubris said he lost confidence in the D after the Buffalo debacle. And if he had lost the confidence then, when Al Davis died, and he was given unprecedented power over roster and staff, why didn’t Hubris throw Chuck B off the train?
People say who could have Hubris replaced Chuck B. with?
That is true, but, if D is to blame for the shortcomings under Hue’s command, why didn’t he attempt to remedy the situation?
Hubris’ offense was fun to watch, no doubt.
But that was my main problem with Hubris — keeping Chuck B in place.
And I’m not a Chuck B. super-hater. He was the man running the D during the Gruden years and he did well.
Don’t understand why he failed miserably in his second go-around. Talent? Teaching ability?
What ever it was, it was no good.
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IMO hue was playing out the string figuring he had done enough to go into next year with Carson and a new DC. Hue knew that the team wasnt SB bound so he let Chuck B do his thing knowing he would fire him after the season, a rookie mistake I’m sure he regrets.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Tweaking would’ve meant retaining the HC, OC, the entire support coaching staff, and replaced Bresnahan with a new vet DC like say Del Rio, who understand various principles, not switch entirely to zone especially when the playing group for 2+ years were all experienced and coached in the systems in place.
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Yup! That’s call continuity. Things you do when you go 8-8 with the staring QB and RB go down.
3-10= Somebody needs to be fired.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Cable brought this team up from,what,5-11 to 8-8 and most wanted him run out of town.Jackson went 8-8 with a team that was 8-8 and he is idolized.Cable swept the division,jackson split.Don’t see any upward spiral from Cable to Jackson.
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I don’t think either of them are idolized. But, the reason more people like Jackson is that the difference that 1st year from 5-11 to 8-8 was that Jackson came in as OC and turned out that unit from almost last to top 10, and kept us competitive.
But, either of those two are better than what we have now.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
3-10= Somebody needs to be fired.
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Knapp will be fired.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
What seems to go over so many of your heads is this year we did ‘tweak’ the defense like you wanted and have claimed is all we needed to do.How is that defense doing this year?
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My gawd, THEY WERENT SUPPOSED TO TWEAK THE OFFENSE TOO!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Lefty12 Can you gaurantee us that we would not have been better this year with Hue Jackson?
You seem soo sure of this that I’m just asking man. You say we weren’t on a upward trend. It seems the majority of us disgrees especially me.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
RaidO Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Tweaking would’ve meant retaining the HC, OC, the entire support coaching staff, and replaced Bresnahan with a new vet DC like say Del Rio, who understand various principles, not switch entirely to zone especially when the playing group for 2+ years were all experienced and coached in the systems in place.
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Yup! That’s call continuity. Things you do when you go 8-8 with the staring QB and RB go down.
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EXACTLY. When you’re IMPROVING you should maintain continuity. When you’re getting worse you need to CHANGE.
We’re doing it opposite. Oh, they got a heckova lot worse. Let’s keep it the same.
Oh, they were 1 game out of the playoffs despite losing you starting QB, RB and top 2 WRs. Oh, the offense STILL managed to keep going. Let’s change the offsense entirely.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
I missed your answer, Koolkell.
I did, however, notice you quickly added “I like Al Davis football” after my challenge to post something/anything about the Raiders.
LOL that you think that’s a “football take”.
RockinRaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Hey koolkell. I’m curious about something.
I noticed that when other posters are exchanging comments/insults, you jump in asking if they have anything to say about the Raiders, adding “troll” or whatever.
Have you said one thing about the Raiders in your last 50 posts, troll?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
J Hill
I loved what John Marshall brought into the mix with the man-to-man D.
His perfectly timed safety blitzes — when he sent both Branch and Huff at opposing QBs — was brilliant.
Sure, Marshall had his meltdowns — Jags game when DMC went off and Raiders still lost — but, his man D was fun to watch.
Even Chuck B’s man D under Gruden was fun to see. It would be man on outside and LBs would play soft zones and get INTs.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
kell you right statistically but not in the advancement of a sports franchise.
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That’s an easy vague statement to make. But hey, I’m just a fan since 64′
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you right, im not an insider, just my opinion, but what i do believe is we need a young franchise to go with our young team..what you think about geno smith?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Lefty12 Can you gaurantee us that we would not have been better this year with Hue Jackson?
You seem soo sure of this that I’m just asking man. You say we weren’t on a upward trend. It seems the majority of us disgrees especially me.
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I can guarantee you that we would’ve been better this year. Jackson just showed us too many times that he could make an effective offense with our talent, even when most were hurt. That means we’d be in more games. Heck, we’d never have had to experience McFadden’s total dud of 3 ypc for game after game. More points, more wins.
If we hired someone like Jack Del Rio at DC we would’ve been better. Proof? Look at how much better the Broncos are at DC with Del Rio compared to our current HC.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
That means offense AND defense would’ve been better to just change the DC and keep the rest.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Cable brought this team up from,what,5-11 to 8-8 and most wanted him run out of town.Jackson went 8-8 with a team that was 8-8 and he is idolized.Cable swept the division,jackson split.Don’t see any upward spiral from Cable to Jackson.
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Guess you didnt her when Greg Papa said Hue was the coach then too Cable just had the title. But what does Greg Papa know right?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
I know absolutely nothing about Geno Smith. I’m not a draft geek. I look at them when they get here.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
The 5-11 Raiders needed a play caller, not a new HC. We brought in a good play caller, and our offense took off.
Cable certainly brought a toughness to the team. As you would expect an Oline cat to bring.
Like Hue, he did some dumb shyytt humself and has no one to blame but himself for getting fired.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
This is a unique situation unlike any “other” of the losing years. This did not have to happen. This downfall could have been averted. That’s why so many Raiders fans are pissed.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
RaidO Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Tweaking would’ve meant retaining the HC, OC, the entire support coaching staff, and replaced Bresnahan with a new vet DC like say Del Rio, who understand various principles, not switch entirely to zone especially when the playing group for 2+ years were all experienced and coached in the systems in place.
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Yup! That’s call continuity. Things you do when you go 8-8 with the staring QB and RB go down.
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EXACTLY. When you’re IMPROVING you should maintain continuity. When you’re getting worse you need to CHANGE.
We’re doing it opposite. Oh, they got a heckova lot worse. Let’s keep it the same.
Oh, they were 1 game out of the playoffs despite losing you starting QB, RB and top 2 WRs. Oh, the offense STILL managed to keep going. Let’s change the offsense entirely.
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And an indictment on Reggie/Allen is that things have gotten worse under their and they did not change, and spoke of only staying the course, not just thru November and December, but already talking about 2013 as well.
This is a situation exactly when any organization (owner or gm) would actually wipe out the coaching staff and/or gm because things are so bad and they’re clearly not cut out for the jobs. See Tampa Bay under Raheem Morris cleaning out.
An 8-8 2 year foundation is when you actually CONTINUE that system/growth/roster with gradual tweaks where needed.
This regime has it backwards…destroying the good, continuing the bad.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Lefty12 Can you gaurantee us that we would not have been better this year with Hue Jackson?
You seem soo sure of this that I’m just asking man. You say we weren’t on a upward trend. It seems the majority of us disgrees especially me.
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Yeah, but you also stated Jason Campbell was a better qb than Jay Cutler. You also stated Jamarcus Russell was the future of the Raiders.
You’ll excuse us if we don’t give your comments the attention you think it deserves.
That said, you like Hue over DA for one reason, one reason only. Same reason you like Campbell over Cutler. Or Russell over Grad. Or TP over Palmer.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
How is Terrence Cody doing in Baltimore? I thought he would have been a good pick for us.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
The 5-11 Raiders needed a play caller, not a new HC. We brought in a good play caller, and our offense took off.
Cable certainly brought a toughness to the team. As you would expect an Oline cat to bring.
Like Hue, he did some dumb shyytt humself and has no one to blame but himself for getting fired.
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I’d be fine with that. Except I don’t think DA is creative enough to really game plan, find the bright mind who is innovative etc. to coach. He seems a good guy, but I put him in kind of the same pot as Knapp with just sticking to what you know only.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
I know absolutely nothing about Geno Smith. I’m not a draft geek. I look at them when they get here.
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no debating with you mr.hindsight..you aint a fan, iv’e seen your comments on here, you a instigator.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Marshall lost me when he went 5 safeties against the Jags with healthy corners available.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Lefty12 Cable was here 2 years before Hue Jackson got here yet he never got us to 8-8 as soon as Hue jackson shows up we go 8-8. Then when he leaves we go 8-8 so it wasn’t Tom Cable as much as it was Hue jackson. We couldn’t score diddly with TC’s offense but when Hue showed up we had one of the most explosive offenses in the entire league. After he leaves we still have that offense eventhough the defense is horrible we still go 8-8. Yet you fight like hell for TC as HC but glad as hell Hue jackson got the axe. What gives??
December 14th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
I know absolutely nothing about Geno Smith. I’m not a draft geek. I look at them when they get here.
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In other words you don’t follow football. You’re a headline poster. You read the headlines, you cut and paste the article.
No shame in being football illiterate. The shame is when you try and pretend you aren’t.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
J Hill
Exactly. When Jason Hill (Ha – J Hill) torched Michael Huff for that long bomb TD, I nearly put my foot through the TV.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Remember the play wher Francies ran into Adams on a punt return, lol.
Remeber DAs reaction???
He’s seeing the same thing you are folks.
Knapp was far from his first choice as an OC. He’ll be fired.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
We should try trading players to the Bungles for draft picks. Since Hue was so great, maybe he’ll put in a good word for the proposed player and make the trade happen…
December 14th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Get a good look at Geno Smith:
From Ralph Russo’s AP College Bowl Game Picks…
SATURDAY, DEC. 29
Pinstripe Bowl
Syracuse (plus 4) vs. West Virginia
NFL prospects playing quarterback for both teams … WEST VIRGINIA 48-42.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Now we have DA and Knappster doing the same thing we he did before Hue jackson got here and we’re 3-10 and here you are again arguing for a coach that can’t win and saying Hue jackson deserved to be fired because he went 8-8 well these fools had a year and losing like crazy but you wnat them to stay here for the duration.
Lefty12 you’re not making sense.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
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December 14th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
RockinRaider is another cross poster which= coward reveal yourself.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
I know absolutely nothing about Geno Smith. I’m not a draft geek. I look at them when they get here.
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no debating with you mr.hindsight..you aint a fan, iv’e seen your comments on here, you a instigator.
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So sayeth The Lord Almighty.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
I know absolutely nothing about Geno Smith. I’m not a draft geek. I look at them when they get here.
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no debating with you mr.hindsight..you aint a fan, iv’e seen your comments on here, you a instigator.
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So sayeth The Lord Almighty.
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pick up a bible, im not the lord…
you’d get a lot more respect on this blog if you debated instead absolute onions.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
You say we weren’t on a upward trend. It seems the majority of us disgrees especially me.
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I think this is the same team that finished last season. That’s the trend.
Palmer is the same guy as the one that ended the season. Same trend.
Oline STILL stinks. Same trend
December 14th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
RaidO Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
This is a unique situation unlike any “other” of the losing years. This did not have to happen. This downfall could have been averted. That’s why so many Raiders fans are pissed.
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Exactly.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Priest,
How many wins has Palmer cost this HC?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
I will say one thing about Hue.
After his HC job here, he sure got everyone’s attention. His phone was lighting up with owners wanting to interview him to run their team.
And now? He’s redefining the team “head coach” with..
Oh. Wait. That’s not Hue.
gosh. You would think someone who was as “dynamic and revolutionary” as Hue would be head coach somewhere, wouldn’t you?
Oh well, hey. let’s face facts. Those other 31 owners, and 31 GM’s of other teams obviously aren’t as bright as some of you Hue lovers here, lol.
I’m just SURE he’ll be head coach soon.
right?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
But what does Greg Papa know right?
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I couldn’t care less what Greg Papa says.
Priest,I don’t give a darn what the majority says.The majority elected GW Bush twice.I can’t guarantee we wouldn’t have been better,and neither can you.After all,we did finish last year 1-4 in our last 5 games.How can you guarantee that trend wouldn’t have continued.But that really is mute.Jackson doesn’t work for the Raiders any longer.Nobody on here had any say if he was retained or not.It is fruitless to come here and say if HJ was here this would have happened.You can live in your what ifs,I choose not to.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Hue was an offensive coach and worked miracles with the O, DA is a defensive coach what the hell is he doing with the D? He should of at least been able to make the D look avg.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
you’d get a lot more respect on this blog if you debated instead absolute onions.
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I get respect from the people I respect. So far as debating, is 8-8 > 3-10.?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Whereis the evidence that Hue would have righted the ship?
Same cuts would have been made.
J Ford still hurt in the preseason.
McFadden still a half step slower.
D Moore still hurt early in the season.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Da and Knapp have the QB you want and the system I guess you want I don’t know but they cannot win a single game. How in hell can anyone argue for them when Hue was fired for doing twice what they have done. They screwed up the offense as well and defense has not improved. They have 3 games left if they cannot win at least 2 games of the 3 they should be fired……..period because they will have gone 4-12
That is four games less in one year than the HC DA replaced for not winning. To argue this with every excuse imaginable is folly. Maybe they just need glasses or maybe they don’t speak the same language and communication is a problem.
Whatever the reason this team got much worse and there is NO EXCUSE…………period
December 14th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
I was pretty young for the Warren Moon years but is it me or does Geno Smith resemble him a bit?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
RockinRaider is another cross poster which= coward reveal yourself
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Why is it when someone loses a discussion they can’t just state it? Instead you run the “cross poster’?
Why am I a cross poster because I exposed you as being slow? You can state what you want, personally don’t care.
All that matters is you are an idiot.
Think before you post your stupid crap, and you won’t feel like such an idiot afterwards.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Upward Trends???? 8-8 to 3-10???
December 14th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Whereis the evidence that Hue would have righted the ship?
Same cuts would have been made.
J Ford still hurt in the preseason.
McFadden still a half step slower.
D Moore still hurt early in the season.
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You know you won’t get an answer to this, right?
If they did answer, they’ll have to admit you’re right.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
RockinRaider is another cross poster which= coward reveal yourself
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Yep, never heard of him, yet…………………
December 14th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
But what does Greg Papa know right?
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I couldn’t care less what Greg Papa says.
Priest,I don’t give a darn what the majority says.The majority elected GW Bush twice.I can’t guarantee we wouldn’t have been better,and neither can you.After all,we did finish last year 1-4 in our last 5 games.How can you guarantee that trend wouldn’t have continued.But that really is mute.Jackson doesn’t work for the Raiders any longer.Nobody on here had any say if he was retained or not.It is fruitless to come here and say if HJ was here this would have happened.You can live in your what ifs,I choose not to.
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I’m actually living in the present and that is exactly why I’m asking you if Hue jackson was fired why in hell should these bums be retained. I’m asking you about this coaching staff and their incompetence. That isn’t the past it’s very present…
December 14th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
I think this is the same team that finished last season. That’s the trend.
Palmer is the same guy as the one that ended the season. Same trend.- Palmers’ not in hues scheme cant accurately judge him
Oline STILL stinks. Same trend – Oline was ok last year.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Upward Trends???? 8-8 to 3-10??? Regression in every facet of the game. Upward Trends?.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Reggie’s watch will bring another new franchise record of failure…
Josh Dubow @JoshDubowAP
#Raiders allowed 400 points in season for 5th time (402). They are 56 shy of tying franchise worst sent in ‘61
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56 pts in 3 games = almost 20 per game. A sure thing to happen.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Priest,
How many wins has Palmer cost this HC?
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Persoanlly I would say 2-3 losses. However the HC cannot use that as an excuse because his job is to win…period
Unless he was absent during those losses he left Palmer in there to win and he loss.
I ask you how many games did Palmer cost Hue jackson after JC went down……….Nobody gives a damn about that huh?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
The ONLY reason I don’t want the HC fired after one year is the same reason I have wanted ANY of our lately INCLUDING Hue.
Give them time to get there thing implemented.
Cable shouldn’t have been fired.
Hue shouldn’t have been fired.
DA shouldn’t be fired.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Josh Dubow @JoshDubowAP
#Raiders been outscored 89-32 in 1st qtr this season. Only Titans have been outscored by more 124-58
Josh Dubow @JoshDubowAP
#Raiders been outscored 136-51 in 3rd quarter, including 31-0 in 2 games vs #Broncos
Josh Dubow @JoshDubowAP
#Broncos have outscored #Raiders 74-6 since midway thru 3rd qtr of second meeting last season
Josh Dubow @JoshDubowAP
#Raiders now allowed league-worst 45 pts on 1st drive of game after Manning’s TD pass to Dreessen
Josh Dubow @JoshDubowAP
#Raiders averaging 81.2 yards rushing per game. Franchise low is 80.9 in 04
December 14th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Whereis the evidence that Hue would have righted the ship?
Same cuts would have been made.
J Ford still hurt in the preseason.
McFadden still a half step slower.
D Moore still hurt early in the season.
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Simple, they dont change schemes and the O is better Period. as far as the injuries go how do you know they would have been injured if they were runnings hues scheme, would of been in different places right?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Priest,every year Cable was the HC our record improved.It didn’t improve when Jackson took over.Who knows if it would have improved this year.We’ll never know because he doesn’t work here any longer.Complain about what is here now,not what might have been because in reality you have no idea what would have happened.What about you?You hated Lance.You hated Cable.You hate Allen.Yet you loved Jackson.What gives?BTW,Eli doesn’t suck and is one of the best QBs in the game.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Nobody gives a damn about that huh?
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Palmer cost us at least the same 2-3 games last year.
Hue did something to piss off the OWNER. That’s all that matters, man.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I’m sorry that anybody that would take Teo with a top 5 overall pick is retarded. If Reggie were to take that slow ass MLB then he should have his head examined.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Knapp is killing this team the same way he did last time with the help of an incompetent HC. Yet we’re supposed to sit and be patient……..yeah right!
December 14th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Priest,every year Cable was the HC our record improved.It didn’t improve when Jackson took over.Who knows if it would have improved this year.We’ll never know because he doesn’t work here any longer.Complain about what is here now,not what might have been because in reality you have no idea what would have happened.What about you?You hated Lance.You hated Cable.You hate Allen.Yet you loved Jackson.What gives?BTW,Eli doesn’t suck and is one of the best QBs in the game.
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Tom Cable went from 5-11 to 8-8 when Jackson started calling plays.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
if you think at 8-8 the players we had or have were going to make a push for the super bowl, i think your wrong…we would be average at best..and 2 years proved it.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
501-thank you J Hill.That is exactly how I feel.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
our core players from these average years were average at best, and the record proves it…tear down, rebuild.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
#502…that’s depressing…
December 14th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
If and when a person or persons (Reggie Mc and SA display poor judgement relative to the hiring of coaches. How and why would anyone expect them to be better and or adequate when and while evaluating players. Collectively they have failed as talent evaluators.
Reggie blew it when he hired DA, his draft selections were terrible as where his FA signings.
DA blew it when he hired a cast of inexperienced, clueless, friends and losers. What more does anyone need to see. Any fool fresh off his or her sofa could have done what Reggie Mc and DA have done (fail miserably).
December 14th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
if you think at 8-8 the players we had or have were going to make a push for the super bowl, i think your wrong…we would be average at best..and 2 years proved it.
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All they had to do was fix the defense.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
if you think at 8-8 the players we had or have were going to make a push for the super bowl, i think your wrong…we would be average at best..and 2 years proved it.
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Yeah why didn’t Gruden do that? What a dumbass he was. Should have cut Nap, Gannon, Brown, Wheat, Robbins and rebuild.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Priest,every year Cable was the HC our record improved.It didn’t improve when Jackson took over.Who knows if it would have improved this year.We’ll never know because he doesn’t work here any longer.Complain about what is here now,not what might have been because in reality you have no idea what would have happened.What about you?You hated Lance.You hated Cable.You hate Allen.Yet you loved Jackson.What gives?BTW,Eli doesn’t suck and is one of the best QBs in the game.
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I’ve been complaining about what is here now, I hated Kiffin I didn’t have a single problem with Cable. Lets keep it real now I didn’t advocate cables firing and lamented it. When he hired Hue I had misgivings because he wass soo good as a OC. Until I saw him as HC about 4 games in I bought in.
I would’ve bought into this staff if they demonstrated the ability to win games. They have demonstrated that they are completely incompetent so why would I want them here…..period
December 14th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Al Davis hired Greg Knapp, Kiffin, Cable, and Gruden. All WCO ZBS guys.
McKenzie isn’t doing anything different.
This notion that he is anti Al Davis players is ridiculous.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Derek Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
If and when a person or persons (Reggie Mc and SA display poor judgement relative to the hiring of coaches. How and why would anyone expect them to be better and or adequate when and while evaluating players. Collectively they have failed as talent evaluators.
Reggie blew it when he hired DA, his draft selections were terrible as where his FA signings.
DA blew it when he hired a cast of inexperienced, clueless, friends and losers. What more does anyone need to see. Any fool fresh off his or her sofa could have done what Reggie Mc and DA have done (fail miserably).
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Like I said, Chubby Checker’s best rookie is a guy who was ALL measurables. I hope he learns from that.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
491.MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
I was pretty young for the Warren Moon years but is it me or does Geno Smith resemble him a bit?
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If you mean he’s black and plays quarterback, then yes.
The similarities end there for me, however. Warren’s in the Hall of Fame. Geno Smith may only have been the third best QB in his conference this year.
Not saying he can’t eventually get to Moon’s level at some point in the far distant future, but he has a ways to go before he’s even mentioned in the same sentence.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Derek
And there is one man to blame for this mess in Oakland — Mark Davis.
Dude hired McKenzie and, as they say, the crap flows downhill.
We’ll see if Mark is like his old man in terms of the one-and-done opportunities he gives the staff.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Priest,every year Cable was the HC our record improved.It didn’t improve when Jackson took over.Who knows if it would have improved this year.We’ll never know because he doesn’t work here any longer.Complain about what is here now,not what might have been because in reality you have no idea what would have happened.What about you?You hated Lance.You hated Cable.You hate Allen.Yet you loved Jackson.What gives?BTW,Eli doesn’t suck and is one of the best QBs in the game.
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I’ve been complaining about what is here now, I hated Kiffin I didn’t have a single problem with Cable. Lets keep it real now I didn’t advocate cables firing and lamented it. When he hired Hue I had misgivings because he wass soo good as a OC. Until I saw him as HC about 4 games in I bought in.
I would’ve bought into this staff if they demonstrated the ability to win games. They have demonstrated that they are completely incompetent so why would I want them here…..period
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Bingo! Definitely agree.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
if you think at 8-8 the players we had or have were going to make a push for the super bowl, i think your wrong…we would be average at best..and 2 years proved it.
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All they had to do was fix the defense.
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that could be or set in stone true….but every player on defense at the time is a liability..a long with the assumption dmac could last into the play-offs..
December 14th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Yeah, Gruden went 8-8 his first 2 years here.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Eli isn’t here why are we talking about him? I said what I said about Eli long before he won a SB because he led the league in picks and seemed scatter brained. He has since changed my mind.Didn’t know you cared…
December 14th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
hue aint gruden
December 14th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Big Al retained Gruden because he saw the impact he was having and it was working but he knew that Cable was limited. He wanted Hue Jackson’s offense and wanted to keep him here the only way was to make him HC.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
hue aint gruden
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Gruden went 8-8 his first 2 years here!
December 14th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
If Reggie Mc or DA were real leaders and talent evaluators they would have fired Knapp no later than the 9th game of the season. Sticking with that scrub and his pathetic play calling tells you all you need to know about both men and their ability to lead.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Eli isn’t here why are we talking about him? I said what I said about Eli long before he won a SB because he led the league in picks and seemed scatter brained. He has since changed my mind.Didn’t know you cared
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Cam Newton, RGIII or Russell Wilson aren’t here either, but it doesn’t seem to stop anyone from going on and on about how they are currently “transcending the sport”.
Can’t have your cake and eat it, too.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
KK-I won’t argue that,I couldn’t even if I wanted to-it is a fact.But how often has a HC looked better because he had better coordinators and assistants?I liked HJ as the OC.I believe we should have kept Cable as HC and HJ as OC.I believe we’d be much better off today.As far as this staff,I don’t like Knapp just like everyone else.I won’t judge Tarver because IMO,he is trying to make a 5 star dinner out of yesterdays garbage.And I want to see a HC(Allen) get at least 2 years before he is removed.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
hue aint gruden
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Gruden went 8-8 his first 2 years here!
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im not dabating hue wasnt good..it was the players that would never get past the average record.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
According to Greg Papa HUE JACKSON was the real coach in 2010 which is why he was hired in 2011.
Tom Cable is a great motivator thats it. He is not a HC
December 14th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
hue aint gruden
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Based on what? The first 2 seasons they were here they went 8-8. Hue never got a 3rd. I mean if you’re gonna make blanket statements like that back it up with something.
Hell, Tits isn’t even Norv Turner.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Simple, they dont change schemes and the O is better Period
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DMac, J Ford, and D Moore were hurt in Hue’s scheme last year.
They are always hurt.
Palmer would probably have more picks in Hue’s system, since we’re speculating.
Hue was a more exciting play caller than Knapp. No argument there. But I think he has the same player issues tht Knapp is having.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Reggie’s watch will bring another new franchise record of failure…
Josh Dubow @JoshDubowAP
#Raiders allowed 400 points in season for 5th time (402). They are 56 shy of tying franchise worst sent in ‘61
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56 pts in 3 games = almost 20 per game. A sure thing to happen.
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Shoot. Cam Newton might paste us for a 60 burger.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Al Davis hired Greg Knapp, Kiffin, Cable, and Gruden. All WCO ZBS guys.
McKenzie isn’t doing anything different.
This notion that he is anti Al Davis players is ridiculous.
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Then why do those players seem to get victimized the most? They hav eequal or better talent yet if they haven’t developed they get looked over. For players who in some cases aren’t as good.
Whatever it is those players who haven’t develope get ignored, call it what evr you choose.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Lefty, you didn’t extend that same “patience” to Jackson. Even though he had a better record as a first yr Coach.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
525: Hue may be better than Gruden. he did well his first year as HC, the same a Gruden but with less talent and more injuries to key players.
Gruden never showed an ability to do well when he didn’t have top flight experienced players.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Derek
What you said about DA and RM could be applied to Mark Davis, as well.
He has the ultimate power, and thus far, he’s not using it.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
hue aint gruden
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Based on what? The first 2 seasons they were here they went 8-8. Hue never got a 3rd. I mean if you’re gonna make blanket statements like that back it up with something.
Hell, Tits isn’t even Norv Turner.
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heres a statement i can back up, your a douche like your namesake..lets be more reasonable when debating..
December 14th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
hue aint gruden
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Gruden went 8-8 his first 2 years here!
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im not dabating hue wasnt good..it was the players that would never get past the average record.
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Right with a nucleus of Veldeer, Wiz, Moore, Reece, DMC, DHB, Ford, how could we ever improve on that?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Also it’s not that the system does work it’s his gamplanning and playcalling we’ve been using the WCO system since Mike Shanahan.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
hue aint gruden
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Based on what? The first 2 seasons they were here they went 8-8. Hue never got a 3rd. I mean if you’re gonna make blanket statements like that back it up with something.
Hell, Tits isn’t even Norv Turner.
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heres a statement i can back up, your a douche like your namesake..lets be more reasonable when debating..
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LOL!…Yes let’s be reasonable, but you can go the name-calling route. LOL!
December 14th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
You guys speak out f both sides of your mouth.Allen is terrible because he hasn’t fired Knapp,yet HJ gets a pass because Bresnahan was inept as DC.You also ignore the FACT that DA wasn’t even allowed to interview his choices for coordinators and assistants.He took what was left.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
hue aint gruden
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Gruden went 8-8 his first 2 years here!
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im not dabating hue wasnt good..it was the players that would never get past the average record.
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Right with a nucleus of Veldeer, Wiz, Moore, Reece, DMC, DHB, Ford, how could we ever improve on that?
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now you are getting into a debate you didnt ever read on from the start…get lost troll and reveal your real self.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
im not dabating hue wasnt good..it was the players that would never get past the average record.
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Your speculation with no evidence of fact. Simply to avoid being wrong.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Lefty, you didn’t extend that same “patience” to Jackson. Even though he had a better record as a first yr Coach.
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That’s my issue with Lefty12 he seems so axious to have these guys retained but he was glad Hue Jackson got the boot for winning with a QB just off the couch.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
You guys speak out f both sides of your mouth.Allen is terrible because he hasn’t fired Knapp,yet HJ gets a pass because Bresnahan was inept as DC.You also ignore the FACT that DA wasn’t even allowed to interview his choices for coordinators and assistants.He took what was left.
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Lefty12 Because he WON is spite of it!!!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
You guys speak out f both sides of your mouth.Allen is terrible because he hasn’t fired Knapp,yet HJ gets a pass because Bresnahan was inept as DC.You also ignore the FACT that DA wasn’t even allowed to interview his choices for coordinators and assistants.He took what was left.
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You know damned well Jackson had nothing to do with hiring Bresnahan.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
im not dabating hue wasnt good..it was the players that would never get past the average record.
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Your speculation with no evidence of fact. Simply to avoid being wrong
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im not a nfl scout or anything, just deabating or stating my opinion, you been on here long enough and should know that……stop asking for facts from someones opinion to make them look like they dont know what they talkin bout..you older than me, u should know this by now.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
DA is usig all that crap as an excuse………Hue took all that and MORE and he still won games……….that is the difference.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Priesttj12
Hubris winning in spite of it?
Sure, Hubris and his motley crew won 8 games. But to say he won in spite of Chuck B?
If he had done that, Raiders would have had a winning record and in the playoffs.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
KK-one more time-I never said HJ should have been fired,NEVER.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
If marcus lattimore is still available in the 5th.. i think they should take a chance on him.
Gore tore both acls on both legs and a 3rd was used on him. BUSH we took in 4th. Yes marcus had a serious one. But he can come back from it
December 14th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
If DA losses the rest of his games he is a complete LOSER!!11111…..period
December 14th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
KoolKell
And Hubris could have thrown Chuck B off the train when he gained de facto GM powers when Al Davis died. But he didn’t.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
hue won with an 8-8 team that was never going to be anything more…good job hue, hall of famer!! (sarcasm)
December 14th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Whereis the evidence that Hue would have righted the ship?
Same cuts would have been made.
J Ford still hurt in the preseason.
McFadden still a half step slower.
D Moore still hurt early in the season.
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You know you won’t get an answer to this, right?
If they did answer, they’ll have to admit you’re right.
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I can answer this easily. McFadden was always being ridiculed before Hue came along. It’s the system for him. He suddenly averages 2ypc higher when he plays in a system that fits him. So, that alone would be more wins.
But, look at the LACK of creativity. We have a WEAPON in Reece. Doesn’t get used AT ALL until every other RB hurt. Then they come back and he’s not utilized.
We have WEAPONS on offense. Just not the creativity to utilize them.
Heck, Palmer looked as good coming off the street, with NO time to practice with his WRs and his best 2 WRs out than he does this year.
If we had a top 10 offense (which per stats we would this year with Hue still here) and just improved our defense a little, we would be in the playoffs.
How can you argue that?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Priesttj12
You get no argument from me in regards to DA and the loser title.
Hubris shared the same title as Raiders head coach. 8-8 is not a winner.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
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Then why do those players seem to get victimized the most?
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A new guy comes in, he’s going to bring in his players. The only giys who could be replaced were Al guys.
Plenty of Al Davis players all over the field. Houston, Bryant, Kelly, Mitchell, Branch, and Huff aren’t going anywhere. Heck, even Giordano is still here and playing.
Reece, McFadden, DHB, D Moore, Veldheer, Myers, and Wiz.
Myers was ahead of Ausberry on the depth chart last year too.
I saw no reason for T Jones to be ahead of Goodson. Goodson was BALLIN, man.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Derek
What you said about DA and RM could be applied to Mark Davis, as well.
He has the ultimate power, and thus far, he’s not using it.
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I think Mark is doing as much as he can w/out looking like a nutcase.
He did the unusual by coming out with his disappointment during the season already.
Right now my only hope is Mark Davis and his passion for the team which i’m pretty sure he has.
I have hope that he won’t let the Raiders just languish in loserville.
He’ll act if he feels this thing is getting totally out of control.
I know some feel we are already there.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
If marcus lattimore is still available in the 5th.. i think they should take a chance on him.
Gore tore both acls on both legs and a 3rd was used on him. BUSH we took in 4th. Yes marcus had a serious one. But he can come back from it
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With todays medicine I would definite take him even in the 3rd….look at Adrian Peterson.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
I’d take my chances with HUE 10x over before I fckkkd with DA/ and shyyyt Knapp
December 14th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
You guys speak out f both sides of your mouth.Allen is terrible because he hasn’t fired Knapp,yet HJ gets a pass because Bresnahan was inept as DC.You also ignore the FACT that DA wasn’t even allowed to interview his choices for coordinators and assistants.He took what was left.
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Hue was not gong to Fire Bresnahan during the season. Come on man? They were 1 game away from the playoffs.
I don’t want to hear that DA took what was left crap. At out all the OC,DC, and assistant coaches or former coaches in college and NFL he picked Knapp? LOL
December 14th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Mitt Romney Campaign: We Will Not ‘Be Dictated By Fact-Checkers’
Posted: 08/28/2012 10:39 am Updated: 08/30/2012 12:19 am
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That’s where a lot of “you people” are today.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
I’m not a Hue fan. I think he was full of hot air. BUT, I am a results fan. And, look at the results when he was here compared to when he left. So, thus, I say DA and Knapp and co must be doing a WORSE job.
Do you think we look better this year compared to last? Why? Our offense has ALL the same weapons. Even more and more continuity.
OUr Defense was ANYWAYS last in the league last year. So, the difference is what? You can’t say we’re worse this year because we got rid of Routt etc. Because the defense is basically the same and supposedly got “upgraded”.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
I won’t judge Tarver because IMO,he is trying to make a 5 star dinner out of yesterdays garbage
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Its not just Tarver, DA is a defensive coach the D should have his stamp on it also like Fox in Den, Lewis in Cin.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
DJ Johnny
I hear you.
I’m just riding the finger-pointing train. This mess is a complete — from top to bottom — clusterduck.
People pointing primarily at DA and RM.
I’m just making sure Mark doesn’t get left out of the blame train.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
If DA losses the rest of his games he is a complete LOSER!!
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So you don’t think the young guys should play?
No Pryor?
December 14th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Jhill again maybe this is all going over your head. But this is the 1,000 times I’ll say it.
To replace players is FINE but replace them with BETTER players not BUMS!!
Reggie got rid of young talent especially on the Oline for a BUNCH OF BUMS. What about that needs more explanation?
December 14th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Hue went 1-4 down the stretch against inferior or equal teams when he only had to win one to make the play-offs and win the division.He blamed the defense yet as the HC/GM he did nothing to rectify the situation.Even with those failures I would have liked to have seen him return.I don’t know where you get this BS that I couldn’t wait for him to be gone.That is a total lie.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Why do you guys think we’re losing games……..because it’s FUN!!
We’re losing games because of the mistakes he’s made in coaches as well as talent……..period
Reggie couldn’t scratch Al Davis’ ASS on his best day……….he has brought in players he had to CUT before the SEASON WAS OVER!!!
All because they were worse than the players they replaced.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Mitt Romney Campaign: We Will Not ‘Be Dictated By Fact-Checkers’
Posted: 08/28/2012 10:39 am Updated: 08/30/2012 12:19 am
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That’s where a lot of “you people” are today.
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liberalism has nothing to do with the raiders..
December 14th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
So far DA is 0-10 down the stretch.. and has never been on any stretch but a Losing one
December 14th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
kell, what would be your plan? let me know..
December 14th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
DJ Johnny
I hear you.
I’m just riding the finger-pointing train. This mess is a complete — from top to bottom — clusterduck.
People pointing primarily at DA and RM.
I’m just making sure Mark doesn’t get left out of the blame train
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Ha. Yep. Can’t leave him out. He’s culpable too, but I think also that he’s a guy who does not like this crap anymore than any of us and won’t let it just stagnate.
He’s a first yr. owner and i’m sure there’s some ego in play when he has to go to owners meetings as a “rookie” in the club and have owners laughing behind his back…and not only at his hairdo.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Hue went 1-4 down the stretch against inferior or equal teams when he only had to win one to make the play-offs and win the division.He blamed the defense yet as the HC/GM he did nothing to rectify the situation.Even with those failures I would have liked to have seen him return.I don’t know where you get this BS that I couldn’t wait for him to be gone.That is a total lie.
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Sure and he was fired for it. DA has gone 0-6 over the last 6 games now you tell what is worse?
Lefty12 based on your comments about Hue and your comments about DA it is abundantly clear how you feel.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
get rid of palmer, mcfadden, barnes, seymour, kelly, mcclain…trade picks and/or players and get geno smith..my plan.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
564-but you wanted Knapp fired during the season and ignore the fact the Allen’s 1st choices for OC and DC were guys that other teams wouldn’t even let him interview.Hypocrisy,pure and simple.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Hue went 1-4 down the stretch against inferior or equal teams when he only had to win one to make the play-offs and win the division.He blamed the defense yet as the HC/GM he did nothing to rectify the situation.Even with those failures I would have liked to have seen him return.I don’t know where you get this BS that I couldn’t wait for him to be gone.That is a total lie.
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Inferior or equal?
The Dolphins were 6-10 but seem to have our number down there.
GB was 15-1
Det was10-6 and went to the playoffs
SD went 8-8, much better than this year.
The first 2 we were soundly beat, but we beat Det if our D wasn’t so horrible, same with SD.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Looking forward to another season of pure raw pain. Expect it. Embrace it.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
DJ Johnny
That hairdo… man!
I know Mark Davis went to Chico State — party school — and one could surmise his hairstyle would reflect the institution.
I saw a picture of Davis from the Associated Press and was disturbed by how his hairdo is eerily similar to Jon Gruden’s.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
allen sure didnt get his 1st choices..fact…it was because of the franchise imo…
December 14th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
we need a change at qb and the middle of our defense 1st imo…
December 14th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Allen’s first choice for DC was Broncos’ current linebackers coach, no?
Don’t think Denver was going to let Oakland cherry-pick any more staff members.
Who was DA’s first choice for OC? Can’t remember…
December 14th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
We need a blow out loss sunday, we need the toilet bowl hoisted in the locker room for Reggie and Mark to marvel at. A win will only give false hope. A blow out loss will be more real. Embrace the misery and woe. Our coaches are nothing but tricksters. Bring on the pain.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
It may be clear,but obviously it goes over your head.I want a HC to be around for at a minimum of 2 years.We didn’t give HJ that benefit.If things aren’t improving next year,I want the HC removed.Can you comprehend that simple statement.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Ok no joke Raiders need to draft that saftey out of FRESNO STATE. PHILIP THOMAS.. can u say ball hawk??
December 14th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Reggie got rid of young talent especially on the Oline for a BUNCH OF BUMS
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That’s your OPINION.
Phil Adams is better than DVD.
Streater is better than Murphy
Wheeler is better than Groves
Goodson is a damn good backup RB and a BETTER STs player than Notright.
Only player I’m not happy with Briesel. And I would also say Bergstron not being able to supplant Carlisle.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
I wont go saying streater is murphy yet. Murphy had good games for the Raiders and got clutch passes for the Win. Remember his rookie season? Baller.
Dont disrespect Murphy like that.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
What I hate most about Dennis Allen is simple he loses too damn much and he AINT NO RAIDER……….period
December 14th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Murphy always played hard!
It’s true! I mean, cops did find all those viagra pills in his ride when he got pulled over!
December 14th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Reggie couldn’t scratch Al Davis’ ASS on his best day
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Who said he could?
To use your Pryor analogy, why does McKenzie have to come in and be Al Davis right away. Why can’t he go through the same rookie growing pains you think Pryor will go through?
December 14th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
It may be clear,but obviously it goes over your head.I want a HC to be around for at a minimum of 2 years.We didn’t give HJ that benefit.If things aren’t improving next year,I want the HC removed.Can you comprehend that simple statement.
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Cool. I’m good with DA and knapp here next season. That’s why I am embracing the misery and pain. We will be sorrowful and woeful next year. No problem. I’m good with that. You think this year was futile, wait til next. We will take incompetence, futility and flatulence to the next orbit. Embrace it or suffer even more. Mark and Reggie won’t be able to get enough pain. They may keep knapp and DA for a third year. Woe and misery. Bring it on. Bring on the pain.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
I find no fault for kicking the tires of as many young guys as possible if they don’t believe the players they are replacing will ever amount to much.Replacing one scrub with another-at least they are attempting to improve the team and add depth,something this team has lacked for a long time.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Dont disrespect Murphy like that
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LOL
Murphy dropped more balls than DHB.
MUCH rather have Streater.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Mitt Romney Campaign: We Will Not ‘Be Dictated By Fact-Checkers’
Posted: 08/28/2012 10:39 am Updated: 08/30/2012 12:19 am
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That’s where a lot of “you people” are today.
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Swoosh, right over your head.
liberalism has nothing to do with the raiders..
December 14th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
What I hate most about Dennis Allen is simple he loses too damn much and he AINT NO RAIDER……….period
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I know this is painful, but a blow out loss Sunday will be less painful than a win, cuz a win will be false. A win will only inflate the ego of the arrogant impotents. A blow out loss will be real. A win will be false hope, only prolonging the suffering and woe. A blow out loss may hasten the inevitable. A win will just extend the misery. Tricksters, and false talkers. Embrace the misery.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Well then you don’t watch much Raider football Jhill because Bartell sucked and so did Pat Lee. Adams replaced Bartell NOT DVD.
Brisiel and Smith botyh are terrible. Wheeler is nothing special man I don’t see any difference between what he brings and our last defense he misses too many assignments. How in hell can you say Streater is better than Murphy? Streater just started playing worth a damn.
How cna he not use Rece fpr 10 games he wont give TJ a snap and Ausberry is conspicuous by his absence. Pryor hasn’t sniffed a snap as we lose 6 straight games. I’m saying replace talent with BETTER talent…….period
And Goodson is a mistake waiting to happen.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Dont disrespect Murphy like that
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LOL
Murphy dropped more balls than DHB.
MUCH rather have Streater
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Thats true but he also had alot of clutch plays.. that steeler game alone was enough was huge. I’ll wait till streater catches passes where the games actually matter.. and runs down field to make a huge block.
That steeler game was a start
December 14th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
later nation…good debate kell..lets do it again..
December 14th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Should have hired Kliff Kingsbury as our O.C.
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Maybe Cliff Huxstible
Bahahahahahah
December 14th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
564-but you wanted Knapp fired during the season and ignore the fact the Allen’s 1st choices for OC and DC were guys that other teams wouldn’t even let him interview.Hypocrisy,pure and simple.
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Hue jackson suffered the same way he got assistants he DIDN”T want that HE DID pick. Let DA try that at least HE picked his.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Well then you don’t watch much Raider football
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Tiredest line ever used on this blog.
Bartell replaced Routt and Spencer replaced CJ37 if you want to get technical.
Both those guys got HURT and went on IR.
Adams and Francies replaced DVD and Chekwa at then end of the preseason, remember.
Pat Lee was cut because Adams and Francies were playing well enough at that position and the original starter was coming back in Bartell.
Smith was signed as a backup man. He is about as good as a backup player can be.
Reece wasn’t used last year either. He was behind DMac and Bush as far as touches go, remember? And Hue liked to throw it to the WRs, remember?
December 14th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
That Steeler game wasn’t Murphy’s rookie season.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
What I hate most about Dennis Allen is simple he loses too damn much…
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…with all the lengthy posts we make to justify our angst and issues with our HC it all boils down to that basically.
He just loses too damn much.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Al you guys do is make excuses for this damn BUM……….get his ass outta here pronto!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Streater needs less than 100 yds and 1 TD to surpass Murphy’s rookie year totals.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
‘Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter’
*Dante’s Inferno
December 14th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
564-but you wanted Knapp fired during the season and ignore the fact the Allen’s 1st choices for OC and DC were guys that other teams wouldn’t even let him interview.Hypocrisy,pure and simple.
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Jhill, we didn’t havd Bush and DMC ws strusggling the media was asking the HC about Reece all year long and they refused to play him.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Streater, nice pick up, by Reggie.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Al you guys do is make excuses for this damn BUM……….get his ass outta here pronto!!!
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But u aren’t being understanding and patient.
“Let’s try and have a little perspective here for aminute ok?”
-Sir Gregorus Knappisuxx
December 14th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Reece wasn’t used last year either. He was behind DMac and Bush as far as touches go, remember? And Hue liked to throw it to the WRs, remember?
********************************Jhill, we didn’t havd Bush and DMC ws struggling the media was asking the HC about Reece all year long and they refused to play him.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Reggie has made some good moves…Streater, Criner, Burris, Adams (so far), can’t think of anyone else.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Taiwan Jones 16 carries for 73 yards under Hue.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
THAT’S 4 OUT OF 27 MOVES…i like Bilukidi a lot but the rest I can take or leave I wish we had a few players he dismissed back. Especially BC and JB the two Olinemn.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Truth be told Reggie has sucked bad…….I’l give him time but not with this staff…….no way!
December 14th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Reggie has made some good moves…Streater, Criner, Burris, Adams (so far), can’t think of anyone else.
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Wheeler.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Imo, Dennis Allen is a guy who believes strongly in whatever “plan” he has outlined, but sometimes you have to be able to be willing to adjust that plan as you go along based on circumstances.
I think he believes that given time, his “plan” will succeed and he has committed himself 100% to seeing it through no matter what. That is a fine quality to have, but he has to realize that there is alot more at stake here.
This is a business…a darn big one at that, and there are players careers at stake as well.
Dmac cannot thrive in this system that DA is insistent on. If he stays here and continues to stink it up…when he COULD be thriving in a different system, we are talking millions of dollars he has the potential to lose..his entire future.
DA needs to have as his main commitment…the one he never wavers on, to be WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES and NOT a strict adherence to his “plan” no matter what the costs.
I don’t get the sense his only steadfast goal is WINNING.
Oh, he wants to win, but he is insistent on doing it HIS WAY first and foremost.
Does that make sense?
It’s just what i’m seeing.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so5WYy-XNqs
December 14th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Reggie has made some good moves…Streater, Criner, Burris, Adams (so far), can’t think of anyone else.
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Wheeler.
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Hold the phones! We have 5! And, it’s not 27 moves. He got rid of 27 Al players, but he’s made a ton of other moves, bringing in guys then letting them go. His FA hit-rate is low.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Imo, Dennis Allen is a guy who believes strongly in whatever “plan” he has outlined, but sometimes you have to be able to be willing to adjust that plan as you go along based on circumstances.
I think he believes that given time, his “plan” will succeed and he has committed himself 100% to seeing it through no matter what. That is a fine quality to have, but he has to realize that there is alot more at stake here.
This is a business…a darn big one at that, and there are players careers at stake as well.
Dmac cannot thrive in this system that DA is insistent on. If he stays here and continues to stink it up…when he COULD be thriving in a different system, we are talking millions of dollars he has the potential to lose..his entire future.
DA needs to have as his main commitment…the one he never wavers on, to be WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES and NOT a strict adherence to his “plan” no matter what the costs.
I don’t get the sense his only steadfast goal is WINNING.
Oh, he wants to win, but he is insistent on doing it HIS WAY first and foremost.
Does that make sense?
It’s just what i’m seeing.
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That about sums it up for me…..it’s also why he is losing.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Anyway…
What Priestt said I echo…
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Truth be told Reggie has sucked bad…….I’l give him time but not with this staff…….no way!
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Can give Reggie 3+ years, but if he retains Allen/Knapp/Tarver, especially Knapp/Tarver, don’t wanna give Reggie a 2nd year.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
I don’t get the sense his only steadfast goal is WINNING.
Oh, he wants to win, but he is insistent on doing it HIS WAY first and foremost.
Does that make sense?
It’s just what i’m seeing.
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Yeah, I see the same thing. But, I go back to the Bum Phillips quote about Don Shula:
” He’ll take his and beat yours, and take yours and beat his”
December 14th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
#619
Yes it does…As they use to say about Al
“He’d rather lose his way than win another way.”
December 14th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
What someone said (Van Heathen {sic}) a few pages ago was spot on. Reggie needs a boss. Those Presidents of Football Operations type people. Gruden hired to a “prominent position” like that could be conducive to keeping Reggie and Allen in check, actually accountable, without having to fire them.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Streater needs less than 100 yds and 1 TD to surpass Murphy’s rookie year totals.
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And Murphy could not crack this starting receiver line-up even with Ford on IR. Streater has fumbalitis and dropsies and will be out of the league at the end next year.
We as Raider fans have been so starved for talent at WR that we delude ourselves into believing that players like DHB and streater and Criner (who as a late draft pick rookie held-out and refused to learn the playbook into week 10) are NFL caliber. They are not.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
GG I lost track and gave up trying it is way too frustrating for me when i think about it.
If I’m Mark I go over every move and get the raeason behind them and every loss and get an explanation why. I would put so much heat on these guys they would hate being here. I would either fore them to quit or strip them of their authority.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Hue Jackson acts like it’s his team, Mark Davis “doesn’t fight for his retention”.
Reggie McKenzie says “it’s MY team”, Mark Davis gives him a football boss
December 14th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Btw, I actually agree with cutting loose…
Murphy
Bush
Wimbley
Routt
C.Johnson
Satele
(missing some other names)
But don’t agree with…
B.Campbell
J.Barksdale (both to satisfy the ZBS move)
Van Dyke
(and pending Ford, DHB, Moore, Pryor, Ausberry, Taiwan, Chekwa)
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Then there’s all the moves he made in the front office…
Don’t agree with letting go the scouting department and in turn his nepotistic hires.
Then there’s all the coaching moves…
Letting go the entire 2011 staff and what he brought in return.
I like a few of his acquisitions…
Marquette King, Criner, Streater, Burris, Wheeler.
Think it’s an indictment he sat on his hands thruout November, quite content actually. It took Mark Davis’ post-Saints game presser to stir Reggie to say something…and he only then said a bunch of stuff that was similar to what Allen and Knapp/Tarver have said in the most recent post on this blog, their interview. A lot of BS.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
It gotten to the point where this I believe this franchise is purposefully losing. Period. Other bloggers have posted that they are tanking it for the draft pick. I can see that, but earlier in the year when we still had a chance or the Bengals game with Carson trying to redeem his career? During that game the receiving corps was dropping 1st down after 1st down. The online was letting CP get mauled like never before. During that game I remember thinking to myself “these players have a bone to pick with Palmer–His OWN TEAMMATES!
I realized something worse was going on that I did not know. I believe Mark Davis wants to move the team. He has hamstrung Reggie. Why else would Reggie NOT be able to spend 7 million we were under the CAP?
Its either that or the Raiders are losing money and have little revenue after TV, that the team desperately needs to save 7 million lousy dollars!
Why not spend that nothing else can make sense to me.
Michael Bush’s contract was 14 million for 4 years, 4.25 per year and WELL BELOW the 7 million cap savings.
And Guess What the CAP savings Does NOT count toward next year! WHY NOT SPEND THAT MONEY. Any serious Raider fan should ask this.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
GG I lost track and gave up trying it is way too frustrating for me when i think about it.
If I’m Mark I go over every move and get the raeason behind them and every loss and get an explanation why. I would put so much heat on these guys they would hate being here. I would either fore them to quit or strip them of their authority.
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So what you’re saying is, even though Al’s gone they should just keep doing things his way?
Making a franchise a place no one wants to be was Davis’ MO for a long time. It didn’t work too well.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
once again johnny on point…
answer me this DA/Reggie worshippers…WHY is 3-13 suddenly acceptable (yes we will be 3-13, deal with it)?
and…how can 8-8 su(k yet 3-13 is something we should work with and have patience with?
huh?
please explain this to us dumb simple folk…
cant have it both way, there son, sorry (actually NOT sorry)…
lets here some retorts…oh wait, makes too much sense u say?
‘ZAXTLY!
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DJ Johnny Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Hey, if some of you are saying Hue had to go cuz 8-8 doesn’t meet your high standards of Raider excellence and you give no slack for him being a 1st yr. HC and any of the other ‘issues’ he had to deal with, than please don’t give excuse after excuse for how 3-10 and getting blistered and blownout every week is somehow better and that we should give THEM the patience and understanding you refuse to give the previous coach.
Good thing Al didn’t can Gruden after his consecutive 8-8 seasons.
High Raider standards are what we should have. I agree 100%.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
All the children who had to witness it as well will be traumatized forever.
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They’ll be fine.
They see 5-10 murders a day on TV and commit massacres every time they play Call of Duty on the XBox.
Seeing it in real life isnt going to be nearly as traumatic as we’d think it should be.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
lol
Wimbley above all should have been kept. Pass rusher alone.
Curry wasted money, Seymour wasted money, Tommy kelly should have been gone.. Huff really hasnt done anything for 4yrs 32 million. wow he has played like an average corner.
Wimbley helped the entire dline alone with his pressures. Al had set this team up pretty nice since 2010. It was trending upward.
Who know how it would have played out if he was still with his. Could have been playoff like with hue. Who knows what trades / fa’s he would have went after.
Palmer / Curry would not have been here though so the cap wouldnt have been that fuggeeed up. Pryor would be playing tho some how
December 14th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
We need a RDE. Nor argument there.
Couldn’t pay that contract out though.
We spent A LOT of hours trying to negotiate with Wimbley’s agent. Why don’t you blame him for choosing Tenn over us?
December 14th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Reggie blows.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
I dont blame anyone for Wimbley being gone.. Cap wise he had to go.
I personally would have made it work somehow and got rid of other guys. Reggie was taking a chance on curry coming back. Seymour coming back.. and Tommy Kelly.
I would have kept wimbley above those three first. Plus Wimbley is only 28 yrs old
December 14th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
And with ShoNicely back and healthy, Wimbley would have been back at OLB.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Quentin Groves btw has had a few good games recently, think he got a couple sacks last game.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Athletic as F too.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
wimbley athletic as f i mean
December 14th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Well, I think our edge rusher situation will be addressed with a FA.
I think we’ll end up with Lotuleilei to replace Seymour.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Cmon GG, Groves???
Not a 4-3 OLB.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Even though wimbley only had one move.. it was a good one. That dip man.. was clean. I would have liked to see him with lets say Jarvis Jones/ or DMOORE on the other side. Even on the line with Star.
Welp.. thats the past now
December 14th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Whoever loses this game could potentially wind up with the 1st overall pick.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
#645
lol, just saying
December 14th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
We had to give ShoNasty a shot at his RDE job, back right?
Pretty sure that position will be addressed this offseason.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
All the children who had to witness it as well will be traumatized forever.
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They’ll be fine.
They see 5-10 murders a day on TV and commit massacres every time they play Call of Duty on the XBox.
Seeing it in real life isnt going to be nearly as traumatic as we’d think it should be.
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Another sociopath or the same one cross-posting?
December 14th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Dayum……Marcus Allen was a badazs…..if we can get dmc to do half the things Allen did, that would be awesome….
December 14th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
I hope it’s the latter, for gawdsakes.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Oh wait…. We run the zbs….sigh
December 14th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
All the children who had to witness it as well will be traumatized forever.
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They’ll be fine.
They see 5-10 murders a day on TV and commit massacres every time they play Call of Duty on the XBox.
Seeing it in real life isnt going to be nearly as traumatic as we’d think it should be.
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Another sociopath or the same one cross-posting?
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What did I say that wasnt a absolute fact?
Oh wait, thats right, youre allegic to factual information. Go take your meds old man. Youre up way past your bed time.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Dayum……Marcus Allen was a badazs…..if we can get dmc to do half the things Allen did, that would be awesome….
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I find it curious that you made this statement, seeing what your name is.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Watching a bit of marcus allen football life.. i could see how AL drafted DMAC and refused Jerry Jones wanting to move up / draft day trade with raiders.
DMAC could really do what marcus did just not as good. DMAC can pass block, run hard, run fast.. but doesnt have the cut back runs Marcus could do.
Al probaly thought DMAC was a cross between Allen/ Bo Jackson. He looked dayum good in the power run game
December 14th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Marcus Allen is what made me a raider fan….even as he played with the chiefs… I would yell get him! Keep going, td! Daym! Lol….al did him dirty but Bo was 1 of a kind… Still Allen is the greatest rb in raider history….
December 14th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Dmac it’s a bit of both….
December 14th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Raider-In-PA Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:16 am
Dr Robert, I’m a Beatles fan… Is that where your screen name comes from?
Take a drink from his ’special cup’…
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yes sir. it’s a combo shout-out to the beatles and to hip-hop (several “doctors” there), two of my favs.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Marcus Allen is what made me a raider fan….even as he played with the chiefs… I would yell get him! Keep going, td! Daym! Lol….al did him dirty but Bo was 1 of a kind… Still Allen is the greatest rb in raider history….
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named my son after marcus allen.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
After watching that Football life on Marcus Allen…
It just really put into perspective just how stupid Al Davis became after so much success so early on.
It’s a classic case of when a persons own genius turns on them. The very things that made Al so great, his stubborn drive and belief in himself, is what ultimately did him in.
There is no excuse for benching one of the greatest football players ever in their prime like he did.
Al was an idiot. He was stupid then and he was stupid when he traded Gruden instead of just paying him.
Two dumbest things he ever did.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
They see 5-10 murders a day on TV and commit massacres every time they play Call of Duty on the XBox.
Seeing it in real life isnt going to be nearly as traumatic as we’d think it should be.
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The children weren’t traumatized? Your qualifications? You one of the Dr’s here?
December 14th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Dayum……Marcus Allen was a badazs…..if we can get dmc to do half the things Allen did, that would be awesome….
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I find it curious that you made this statement, seeing what your name is.
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many raiders fans love both al davis and marcus allen. it’s like loving both ur parents even though they got divorced. u just wish it was different.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
GG I lost track and gave up trying it is way too frustrating for me when i think about it.
If I’m Mark I go over every move and get the raeason behind them and every loss and get an explanation why. I would put so much heat on these guys they would hate being here. I would either fore them to quit or strip them of their authority.
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So what you’re saying is, even though Al’s gone they should just keep doing things his way?
Making a franchise a place no one wants to be was Davis’ MO for a long time. It didn’t work too well.
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If they are uncomfortable with having to answer questions as to the performance of their jobs then good riddance to ‘em.
It doesn’t mean that Mark would insult and demean them after hearing their explanations, but it’s totally in line to have to answer to the boss; especially if he’s paying you a seven figure salary.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Greatest backfield ever?? Marcus Allen / BO jackson.
Marcus Allen was a true football player. He wanted to be on the field so bad he volunteered to play FULLBACK.
I remember when they asked michael bush to play some FB.. his candy azzz said no.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Yeah… Almost hurts to hear that but if he forgave him…well who am I…..
December 14th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
I kinda hope we dont trade DMAC now. DMAC even though doesnt play alot is a rare talent.. just like Adrian peterson is who is clearly more durable but still
December 14th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Had to pause the dvr…..VINCE EVANS!
December 14th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
They see 5-10 murders a day on TV and commit massacres every time they play Call of Duty on the XBox.
Seeing it in real life isnt going to be nearly as traumatic as we’d think it should be.
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The children weren’t traumatized? Your qualifications? You one of the Dr’s here?
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they will never get over it. it’s such a travesty i can barely think about it. i have two young children and i can’t bare it.
yes, video games are nuts. shooter games with mind-numbing death rates and total lack of respect for life. the army uses video games to recruit. they try to make it seem like being in the army will be like a game.
and the movie versions of these games are so boring and over-the-top “kill thrills” that i can’t even watch them. ur eyes just glaze over and the violence just runs together. and somehow it qualifies as entertainment. kids think this is normal now.
but the shooter was disturbed. and had access to guns. and access to the school’s halls. how the fu@k does this happen?
i’ve always kinda understood the gun rights people’s argument, but they really think it should be like the wild west, and if everyone is armed, people won’t dare shoot. is that working in the inner city, where guns are everywhere?
it’s insane.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Had to pause the dvr…..VINCE EVANS!
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ah yes. the wave of the future.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
I gotta tell ya, the Raider fans are really something selling out this “toilet bowl” game. Or at least getting to 85%.
I did not expect that at all.
Mark’s got to look out there and say “Man..these fans deserve better”.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
my mother-in-law is right winger, and the first thing she said to me today was something about a similar massacre in japan where a guy used a sword to kill a bunch of kids.
my answer? who gives a sh!t? it’s a heck of a lot easier to try to stop a guy with a sword than with an assault gun or pistol.
and the n r a doesn’t want people with mental issues to be refused guns.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
I gotta tell ya, the Raider fans are really something selling out this “toilet bowl” game. Or at least getting to 85%.
I did not expect that at all.
Mark’s got to look out there and say “Man..these fans deserve better”.
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or, “man these guys are suckers”.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Dr_robert
I don’t know, authentic Japanese Samurai/Ninja are very difficult to stop, Doc!
In all seriousness, my uncle’s in the Philippines have katanas left by Japanese soldiers from WWII and, despite the wear and tear, are sharp to this day.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Daym Eddie Anderson missed Allen by miles!
December 14th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Dr_robert
And yes, it is much more feasible to stop a man armed with a sword than it is to stop someone with a handgun or rifle.
Still, guns don’t scare me. It’s the people pulling the trigger I’m worried about.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
I want to say stuff about guns in the us but I can’t get past the reality of 5 year olds…. I have one…..hugging him like crazy tonight.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
I want to say stuff about guns in the us but I can’t get past the reality of 5 year olds…. I have one…..hugging him like crazy tonight.
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Karma.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
No karma… Guns need to be controlled badly but there are twenty families experiencing unimaginable pain….that should be the focus not arguing.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
1st college rb to get 2k yards…
Heisman trophy winner
Rookie of the year
Super Bowl MVP
League MVP
Comeback player of the year
Hall of fame
All while sitting 4 years….
Allen is the greatest of all time.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
No karma… Guns need to be controlled badly but there are twenty families experiencing unimaginable pain….that should be the focus not arguing.
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The Karma is hugging your kid, and the effect of that over the years.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
More people need to hug and care for their kids….I’m glad that I do….just a little tighter tonight…..
December 14th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h1QNTQDnoU
December 14th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
watch #683 right thru
December 14th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Dr_robert
And yes, it is much more feasible to stop a man armed with a sword than it is to stop someone with a handgun or rifle.
Still, guns don’t scare me. It’s the people pulling the trigger I’m worried about.
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well, i’ve heard people say today that someone, if they decide to do it, can kill with a knife or a homemade bomb. except guns are a helluva lot easier. guaranteed there would be less dead if he went in there with a knife. he might no have been able to kill anyone if an adult stopped him. and it takes time and effort to make a bomb. u can’t get angry and run off to kill people spur-of-the-moment. yes, people have been killing people since the dawn of man. but it’s never been easier. and that’s not progress.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Karma (Sanskrit: कर्म[1] IPA: [ˈkarmə] ( listen); Pali: kamma) in Indian religions is the concept of “action” or “deed”, understood as that which causes the entire cycle of cause and effect (i.e., the cycle called saṃsāra) originating in ancient India and treated in the Hindu, Jain, Buddhist, and Sikh religions.[2]
December 14th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Man….there’s a a whole generation that never seen Bo play….
December 14th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Karma is not fate, for humans act with free will creating their own destiny. According to the Vedas, if one sows goodness, one will reap goodness; if one sows evil, one will reap evil. Karma refers to the totality of our actions and their concomitant reactions in this and previous lives, all of which determines our future. The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate response.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
I believe in karma….big time.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
I want to say stuff about guns in the us but I can’t get past the reality of 5 year olds…. I have one…..hugging him like crazy tonight.
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i sat with my kids tonight and just held them tight. i’m afraid to send them to school.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
I picked them up at school, hardly ever do….problem was….it was too easy. Walked right into the office, no questions….kids all around. Not sure how I feel about that….should we live scared….or careful?
December 14th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
I believe in karma….big time.
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Good we can agree on something. That’s a good thing.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
They see 5-10 murders a day on TV and commit massacres every time they play Call of Duty on the XBox.
Seeing it in real life isnt going to be nearly as traumatic as we’d think it should be.
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The children weren’t traumatized? Your qualifications? You one of the Dr’s here?
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Ironic coming from the clown that is diagnosing who is and isnt a sociopath.
Get a fvcking clue old man.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
I gotta tell ya, the Raider fans are really something selling out this “toilet bowl” game. Or at least getting to 85%.
I did not expect that at all.
Mark’s got to look out there and say “Man..these fans deserve better”.
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It’s not a true 85%. It’s 85% of non-premium seats. Club & luxury suites are not considered in the required calculation but are counted in tickets sold.
The KC game ran a big 2 for 1 campaign. Many tickets were bought up by charities or business entities and will be given out free of charge to needy adults & kids. Considering the opponents, game being televised & weather (forcasted rain), I’d be surprised to see more than 25,000 actually show up.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Karma is not fate, for humans act with free will creating their own destiny. According to the Vedas, if one sows goodness, one will reap goodness; if one sows evil, one will reap evil. Karma refers to the totality of our actions and their concomitant reactions in this and previous lives, all of which determines our future. The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate response.
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You plagiarizing scam.
You ever have an original thought? Or is everything you post someone else’s thoughts?
Is this an old man thing?
December 14th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Dr_robert
And yes, it is much more feasible to stop a man armed with a sword than it is to stop someone with a handgun or rifle.
Still, guns don’t scare me. It’s the people pulling the trigger I’m worried about.
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well, i’ve heard people say today that someone, if they decide to do it, can kill with a knife or a homemade bomb. except guns are a helluva lot easier. guaranteed there would be less dead if he went in there with a knife. he might no have been able to kill anyone if an adult stopped him. and it takes time and effort to make a bomb. u can’t get angry and run off to kill people spur-of-the-moment. yes, people have been killing people since the dawn of man. but it’s never been easier. and that’s not progress.
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The same guns that killed these poor kids today, are also killing innocent kids overseas. It’s just that when its doen on foreign soil, it’s called “collateral damage”.
If you want to ban the manufacturing of all guns, then we can discuss that.
But we cannot live in a country that has its government armed, and its citizens disarmed. Especially when handcuffed arrestees end up shot in the head in the back of a cop car.
The military and/or police are any more qualified to own a gun than you and I. In fact, their “senseless killings” numbers easily outrank those of the civilians.
Furthermore, if you want the rampages to stop, lets put a stop to the pharmeceudical companies that help create most of these wack jobs.
It’s amazing that guns are seen as the problem, yet the drugs arent.
It’s also amazing that free will is completely removed from the equation with those who are anti gun. To sit there and say that guns are the root of the issue and banning them is an even remotely useful solution is to completely take free will out of the equation. Which is asinine and un-American.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Toilet Bowl. Now that’s karma. A blow out loss is justice. Bring on the misery.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
test
December 14th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
695…That’s the sheyt I didn’t want to get into…. 5 year olds don’t lose sight of that people….
December 14th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Interesting…
http://www.infosalvo.com/us-news/newton-connecticut-elementary-shooting-is-a-staged-false-flag/
Since Columbine, 9-11, and the latest Colorado shooting… I put nothing past these bastards. This has all the markings of yet another false flag incident.
Considering the way they poison our water and food supplies, killing a bunch of innocent children in order to fuel their anti-gun agenda seems pretty tame for these sick fvcks.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
I’ve got over thirty years of financial and emotional investment in this club and I’m looking at a Toilet Bowl for my return. Now that’s karma. And next years dividends most certainly yield misery and woe. That’s some poor investments. But if you want gains on your investment, embrace the misery and suffrage. Because that is what this staff is equipped to yield. Embrace the misery. Get good with it.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
695…That’s the sheyt I didn’t want to get into…. 5 year olds don’t lose sight of that people….
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It may seem like discussing that stuff makes things more difficult to decipher, but in reality, it must be discussed if we ever want to see the forest from the trees.
This isnt some black & white issue. Nothing ever is.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
raiderriff
They’ll be fine.
They see 5-10 murders a day on TV and commit massacres every time they play Call of Duty on the XBox.
Seeing it in real life isnt going to be nearly as traumatic as we’d think it should be.
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not so. think of your own lives. real death, real images never leave.
but yes, people have been desensitized. Assassinations, Vietnam, 911, Iraq……….all brought to you in living color
December 14th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
No pain = no gain. NOT.
All pain + no gain = DA knapp Reggie.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Romania Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
raiderriff
They’ll be fine.
They see 5-10 murders a day on TV and commit massacres every time they play Call of Duty on the XBox.
Seeing it in real life isnt going to be nearly as traumatic as we’d think it should be.
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not so. think of your own lives. real death, real images never leave.
but yes, people have been desensitized. Assassinations, Vietnam, 911, Iraq……….all brought to you in living color
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So what youre saying is that their is a MAJOR difference between seeing it on TV and actually experiencing it?
Hmmm. Try telling that to the semi’s here who try and talk football X’s and O’s yet theyve never played the game.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Miserable season and frustration is good for humility. The humiliation can only bring about some good. But it won’t be next season. We wii suffer thru another season of woefulness while we watch this staff sent the Raiders to a higher level of ineptness and futility. You know this. Embrace it. Get right in your mind.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Oh woe be into these Raiders. So much misery and suffering. That’s right. We went from promise at the doorstep to being tricked by tricksters. This is our Crying Game. Ouch. We thought we had a football team but what we got was, I can’t even repeat. Embrace the dupe.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Dr_robert
And yes, it is much more feasible to stop a man armed with a sword than it is to stop someone with a handgun or rifle.
Still, guns don’t scare me. It’s the people pulling the trigger I’m worried about.
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well, i’ve heard people say today that someone, if they decide to do it, can kill with a knife or a homemade bomb. except guns are a helluva lot easier. guaranteed there would be less dead if he went in there with a knife. he might no have been able to kill anyone if an adult stopped him. and it takes time and effort to make a bomb. u can’t get angry and run off to kill people spur-of-the-moment. yes, people have been killing people since the dawn of man. but it’s never been easier. and that’s not progress.
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The same guns that killed these poor kids today, are also killing innocent kids overseas. It’s just that when its doen on foreign soil, it’s called “collateral damage”.
If you want to ban the manufacturing of all guns, then we can discuss that.
But we cannot live in a country that has its government armed, and its citizens disarmed. Especially when handcuffed arrestees end up shot in the head in the back of a cop car.
The military and/or police are any more qualified to own a gun than you and I. In fact, their “senseless killings” numbers easily outrank those of the civilians.
Furthermore, if you want the rampages to stop, lets put a stop to the pharmeceudical companies that help create most of these wack jobs.
It’s amazing that guns are seen as the problem, yet the drugs arent.
It’s also amazing that free will is completely removed from the equation with those who are anti gun. To sit there and say that guns are the root of the issue and banning them is an even remotely useful solution is to completely take free will out of the equation. Which is asinine and un-American.
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first of all, i’m anti-war and anti-chemicals.
secondly, i’m one of the original conspiracy theorists. as it was happening, i told my wife 9 11 was a conspiracy.
but the ease of which a crazed loon can get guns and go kill innocent people is obscene.
this includes gangs.
police brutality should be treated more harshly than other similar crimes, as they are entrusted to protect.
i have kids and i’m afraid for them. it’s real for me.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
one thing to think of is how obscene it is for posters to come on here and talk about slavery and equate it to football. talk about what a travesty it is that the raiders are losing. get a grip idiots. it’s only entertainment.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Raiders won’t be able to get it up for this game because the players can’t get behind the tricksters.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
raider riff
Pro sports. It’s entertainment. Also an outlet for people’s daily frustrations and misty remembrances about their own fleeting youth. Let everyone scream. Good therapy. Better than pills and processed foods.
December 14th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Thanks for the OJ info, by the way.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:01 am
I call shenanigans!! No fugg’in way this game sold out,,,
December 15th, 2012 at 12:03 am
Football goes way beyond ‘just entertainment’ for lots of people. We are emotionally invested in the Raiders. Embrace the suffering.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:05 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Dr_robert
And yes, it is much more feasible to stop a man armed with a sword than it is to stop someone with a handgun or rifle.
Still, guns don’t scare me. It’s the people pulling the trigger I’m worried about.
************
well, i’ve heard people say today that someone, if they decide to do it, can kill with a knife or a homemade bomb. except guns are a helluva lot easier. guaranteed there would be less dead if he went in there with a knife. he might no have been able to kill anyone if an adult stopped him. and it takes time and effort to make a bomb. u can’t get angry and run off to kill people spur-of-the-moment. yes, people have been killing people since the dawn of man. but it’s never been easier. and that’s not progress.
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The same guns that killed these poor kids today, are also killing innocent kids overseas. It’s just that when its doen on foreign soil, it’s called “collateral damage”.
If you want to ban the manufacturing of all guns, then we can discuss that.
But we cannot live in a country that has its government armed, and its citizens disarmed. Especially when handcuffed arrestees end up shot in the head in the back of a cop car.
The military and/or police are any more qualified to own a gun than you and I. In fact, their “senseless killings” numbers easily outrank those of the civilians.
Furthermore, if you want the rampages to stop, lets put a stop to the pharmeceudical companies that help create most of these wack jobs.
It’s amazing that guns are seen as the problem, yet the drugs arent.
It’s also amazing that free will is completely removed from the equation with those who are anti gun. To sit there and say that guns are the root of the issue and banning them is an even remotely useful solution is to completely take free will out of the equation. Which is asinine and un-American.
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first of all, i’m anti-war and anti-chemicals.
secondly, i’m one of the original conspiracy theorists. as it was happening, i told my wife 9 11 was a conspiracy.
but the ease of which a crazed loon can get guns and go kill innocent people is obscene.
this includes gangs.
police brutality should be treated more harshly than other similar crimes, as they are entrusted to protect.
i have kids and i’m afraid for them. it’s real for me.
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Fair enough. At least youre consistent in your logic.
I think if we were to solve the root issues, then “gun control” wouldnt be needed.
Pharmeceudicals and false flag agendas are where our attention needs to be focused on here. And from your post, it sounds like you agree.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:05 am
Romania Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Thanks for the OJ info, by the way.
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No problem.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Whats A Drexl? Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 12:01 am
I call shenanigans!! No fugg’in way this game sold out,,,
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Toilet Bowl games do not sell out. And besides, we are not the Chicago Cubs. Something doesn’t add up. Tricksters they are.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:19 am
Riff
If you want to talk conspiracies. The JFK assassination (he was beginning to wind down Vietnam, and wanted to do away with the Fed) started the whole downward spiral of out of control weapons production and continuous war.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:25 am
Romania Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 12:19 am
Riff
If you want to talk conspiracies. The JFK assassination (he was beginning to wind down Vietnam, and wanted to do away with the Fed) started the whole downward spiral of out of control weapons production and continuous war.
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Agreed.
The best part about the JFK crap is that their isnt even a line of sight from the library to where JFK was shot at. The very fact that our own president was shot and its pretty much common knowledge that it was a inside job just goes to show what a facade our government is and also just how stupid those are that play into it all the while knowing its a joke.
Although I hate the term “conspiracy theory”.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:26 am
Eisenhower, probably the greatest soldier/administer of the 20 century, warned of the military industrial complex in his famous speech at the end of his 8 year term.
“Send money, guns, and lawyers” Warren Zevon
December 15th, 2012 at 12:32 am
Oliver Stone will be airing a miniseries based on his take of why world events have happened on Showtime soon. I used to think he was a nut. Now I’m not so sure.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:42 am
“When it all comes down to dust, I will help you if I can, I will kill you if I must.
When it all comes down to dust, I will kill you if I can, I will help you if I must.”
Leonard Cohen
December 15th, 2012 at 12:44 am
Romania Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 12:32 am
Oliver Stone will be airing a miniseries based on his take of why world events have happened on Showtime soon. I used to think he was a nut. Now I’m not so sure.
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He isnt. He always had the political truths America didnt want to face or were too self-absorbed to consider. He has Oscar wins, and is a true American (actually went to Vietnam). A lot of war mongering, American-myth absorbed people can handle it.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:46 am
Weapons. America’s best cash crop.
“You seem to think because you have chicken-to-go you’re in luck”
Gordon Lightfoot
December 15th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Banning guns because of mass shootings is the equivalent of banning cars because of drunk driving.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:59 am
Anybody know anything about Jerrell Harris the mlb out of Alabama that’s on our practice Squad?
December 15th, 2012 at 1:22 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Banning guns because of mass shootings is the equivalent of banning cars because of drunk driving.
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Although I wish, nobody is advocating banning guns.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:26 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Banning guns because of mass shootings is the equivalent of banning cars because of drunk driving.
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I bet a little,chickenschit like you is afraid to walk down the street without a gun.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:32 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Banning guns because of mass shootings is the equivalent of banning cars because of drunk driving.
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No. Cars were not designed as weapons. Try another excuse……………………
December 15th, 2012 at 2:15 am
Blaming guns for the mass shootings is the equivalent of blaming alchohol for the reason why KoolKell is a out-of-work drunk.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:55 am
Wtf is going on ??
December 15th, 2012 at 2:56 am
I can’t believe people still talk to KooLKell wtf has this old fool ever added besides making asinine comments
December 15th, 2012 at 3:00 am
I can’t believe people want Reg and DA gone and turn around and defend Al n his moves , didn’t we set an nfl record of 7 straight seasons with 11 or more loses in the last 10 years?? Yes hue O was more better than Knapp but who isn’t better than knapp?? Reg and DA believe in ZBS , can’t say I blame them for hiring the only guy who had experience in it , it would pay dividends down the road when we sign cheap OL and RB and all the money is freed up to sign skill players at other positions and focus on front 7 on D
December 15th, 2012 at 3:02 am
Just my two cents … Night nation
December 15th, 2012 at 3:50 am
McFadden20: how many management teams in recent history elected to dismantle their offense after ranking 6th to 8th the previous season. How many successful management teams dismantled an 8-8 team to rebuild vs fine tuning what they had.
Let me answer for you; NONE !
Did Gruden and Allen blow up the veteran laden Raiders or Buc. Did Tomlin blow up the Steelers or change schemes, NO !
Football guys, Romo, and Lorenzo Neal have pointed out for even the dullest knives in the drawer. Firing Jackson was a huge mistake. The current coaches are clueless and have totally lost the players in a super short time span. Not a single player has improved under their stewardship.
In other words they’re a worthless group of unprepared, overmatched scrub coaches.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:59 am
Guns do not kill without a humans 100% assistance. Guns are for cowards. As a ex-lawman I am permited to carry concealed firearms. However; I’ve never felt the need to do so. I trust my brain and physical abilities to defend myself.
Most guys who pack daily are cowards. Guns create bold cowards and/or confident lunatics.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:04 am
Needless to say the shooting is all over the news and papers this side of the pond.
How easy is it to get a gun in the U.S?
My brother in-law owns a shotgun.To do so he had to have 3 independent professionals sign up as his witness and then prove to the police that he was going to use the gun for hunting by providing the shooting/land rights that he had.After that was checked they then visited his home to confirm the gun was being kept in a safe,locked cabinet.
Does this happen in America?
Maybe it should.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:47 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Interesting…
http://www.infosalvo.com/us-news/newton-connecticut-elementary-shooting-is-a-staged-false-flag/
Since Columbine, 9-11, and the latest Colorado shooting… I put nothing past these bastards. This has all the markings of yet another false flag incident.
Considering the way they poison our water and food supplies, killing a bunch of innocent children in order to fuel their anti-gun agenda seems pretty tame for these sick fvcks.
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Good article. I love the people who claim ‘They wouldn’t do that’…Evil is Evil no matter what flag is being flown.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:50 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 12:25 am
Romania Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 12:19 am
Riff
If you want to talk conspiracies. The JFK assassination (he was beginning to wind down Vietnam, and wanted to do away with the Fed) started the whole downward spiral of out of control weapons production and continuous war.
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Agreed.
The best part about the JFK crap is that their isnt even a line of sight from the library to where JFK was shot at. The very fact that our own president was shot and its pretty much common knowledge that it was a inside job just goes to show what a facade our government is and also just how stupid those are that play into it all the while knowing its a joke.
Although I hate the term “conspiracy theory”.
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There was a poll a couple years ago that 98% of Americans don’t believe Oswald did it. Yet every presidential candidate has supported the Warren Commission, even though the HSCA said it probably wasn’t Oswald alone…It’s hilarious how our slavemasters openly mock us.
December 15th, 2012 at 5:01 am
I wouldn’t blame guns for these murders anymore than I would blame gasoline for an arson fire……I believe people’s minds are being poisoned by 24 hrs a day hate radio and TV media……your not gonna get guns off the streets in America… Never happen… But we can start repairing the damage to the desensitized minds we have in our country…..just a thought.. And my 2cents…
December 15th, 2012 at 5:03 am
Burton Guster Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 12:03 am
Football goes way beyond ‘just entertainment’ for lots of people. We are emotionally invested in the Raiders. Embrace the suffering.
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if it’s more than entertainment, then u need to examine ur life. i’m a huge raiders fan. my whole life. but it’s a game. and we have very little to do with any of it. we’re just watching. enjoy it. but know it’s proper place in ur life.
December 15th, 2012 at 5:06 am
Fingers Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 5:01 am
I wouldn’t blame guns for these murders anymore than I would blame gasoline for an arson fire……I believe people’s minds are being poisoned by 24 hrs a day hate radio and TV media……your not gonna get guns off the streets in America… Never happen… But we can start repairing the damage to the desensitized minds we have in our country…..just a thought.. And my 2cents…
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u don’t often hear of drive by “gas dousings” or “lone gas-dousers”. guns are made exclusively for one purpose: to kill. u may argue that they are needed to “protect u” but that still means killing.
the perpetrator of this tragedy should never have had access to a gun or to a school’s halls.
if he didn’t have a gun, most, if not all, of those kids would be alive.
get it?
December 15th, 2012 at 5:07 am
does anyone seriously believe that americans are free because they own guns, and that’s why the government doesn’t “take over”?
December 15th, 2012 at 5:09 am
Dr. robert… You missed the point…
December 15th, 2012 at 5:11 am
The guns and gasoline are just the objects used … The mindset is the problem….
December 15th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Why is Tarver getting all the blame for the worst Defense in Raider history?.
This is Dennis Allen’s Defense, Reggie said he hired him because he had a defensive background and that’s where we needed more work.
Tarver spent most of his young career coaching LB’s in a 3-4 Defense, then was co-coordinator at Stanford for 1 year, I believe they ran a 3-4 as well.
Dennis Allen on the other hand comes from the 4-3 system back in New Orleans and in Denver, that’s the system he knows and the one we went with.
Tarver may coordinate and call the plays, but this is DA’s playbook and I’m certain he is very involved in game-planning and weekly preparations.
You don’t ask Knapp to run Hue’s Offense because he’s not familiar with it, same goes for Tarver, you don’t ask him to run a 4-3 when he’s been in a 3-4 system his whole career unless DA is actually running things, as he should be, that’s why he was hired.
So I would back off Tarver and focus on DA when it comes to Defense.
Remember the good old days in the off-season when we said stuff like:
“Well, the Offense should be fine, we just need to Defense to get a little better, to go from horrible to average and we’ll be fine.”
Or.
“Well, the Defense can’t get worst from last year, that’s for sure.”
Little did we know.
Truth is, both DA and Tarver were inexperienced, DA came from 1 year coordinating the League’s 20th ranked Defense, John Fox’s Defense that is, and Tarver we know the story.
But here’s the thing, unlike the offense where continuity was needed, the defensive system had to be upgraded so we should have expected growing pains and a learning curve, question now is are DA and Tarver the right guys for the job? and we have to give them another year to show improvements.
December 15th, 2012 at 6:41 am
People will say, DA and Tarver don’t have the players, well tell that to Reggie who spent close to 10 million
this year on older vets like Bartell, Spencer, Joselio, Pat Lee, Aaron Curry, Tollefson and Andre Carter.
Truth is, you don’t spend your money on older guys unless you expect your Defense to be competitive this year, if Reggie had foreseen this mess he would have saved that money to shed another bad contract or two (Huff, Seymour or McClain come to mind) and he would have brought younger, cheaper, undrafted or practice squad kids with room to grow to fill in until better players and more money was available.
December 15th, 2012 at 6:51 am
A very big thank you to those who mentioned “Marcus Allen – A football life” yesterday.Just watched it on Youtube.
One of my all time favourite Raiders.
Again….thank you.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:39 am
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December 15th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Watching games today may send me to the hospital
My dish is snowed over and getting on the roof is dangerous for anyone especially an old, stoned hermit.
Mornings have not had the participation rates they used to back in the good old days when the Raiders had expectations
December 15th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Buffalo just came out and admitted they very much desire to trade up to draft a QB. I never ever hope for the Raiders to lose games, but I would be happy to see the Raiders drafting number one next spring.
Time to put in Pryor for the next three games!
Lets start every rookie on the team.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Bob is right.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:05 am
– Interesting item from ESPN’s Adam Schefter today:
Schefter said the Seattle Seahakws MVP jsut might be assistant head coach Tom Cable. Yes, that Tom Cable.
Here’s what Schefter wrote:
“Ask any Seattle player, and he will speak of how important Cable has been. He has helped give Seattle its physical mindset. (Running back Marshawn) Lynch even waited for reassurance that Cable would be back for 2012 before he agreed to re-sign.”
Schefter opined that Cable is on track to be considered for another head coaching gig in the NFL based on the wonders he has worked with the Seahawks.
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Is Cork rubbing salt in our wounds?
December 15th, 2012 at 8:08 am
He is just pointing out what some of us have known all along. The pimp hand can flat out coach when he is not fighting and f$#%ing
December 15th, 2012 at 8:16 am
NO ZONE BLOCKING.
Look what GB and NE did to the Texans zone blocking this season.
They stuffed it at the point of attack by driving the offensive lineman straight back into the backfield.
Zone blocking is for sissies.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Watching games today may send me to the hospital
My dish is snowed over and getting on the roof is dangerous for anyone especially an old, stoned hermit.
Mornings have not had the participation rates they used to back in the good old days when the Raiders had expectations
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Same problem here but I can reach mine with the wifes car (BROOM) pretty easily
Need a rear window defroster type thing on the dish.
Just want 10% from the semi that steals this stellar idea. (intellectual property rights) LOL
December 15th, 2012 at 9:04 am
I just realized the word intellectual and this blog are diametrically opposite for the most part, especially after 5 PM
December 15th, 2012 at 9:05 am
A simple way for Mark to know he’s not over reacting to this season. Put Gruden and DA side to side on the chalkboard draw plays, name them, and explain them!! When DA fizzles out after 3 maybe 4 plays! FIRE HIM!! Then turn to Reggie and say “this is the caliber of Coach you brought to my Organization??” And FIRE HIM!! The rest dont let the door hit you where the good Lord split you!!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Fire the GM after one season and half a draft? crazy
December 15th, 2012 at 9:09 am
GO CHEIFS!!!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:11 am
we gotta lose so that we can win
December 15th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Don’t do it DA. Remember the goal…..to implement “the system”.
The wins will come…in 10 yr’s or so.
Stick to your guns. Who cares about the pesky fans…we don’t matter. It’s all about YOU…and your system…you’ve seen it work.
Winning is secondary and merely a pleasant possible outcome.
Don’t forget that DA.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Fire them ASAP before they get rid of the talent WE DO HAVE!!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Dont like how comfortable these jackKnappses are!!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Never heard Gruden deny the reports!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Derek Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 3:50 am
McFadden20: how many management teams in recent history elected to dismantle their offense after ranking 6th to 8th the previous season. How many successful management teams dismantled an 8-8 team to rebuild vs fine tuning what they had.
Let me answer for you; NONE !
Did Gruden and Allen blow up the veteran laden Raiders or Buc. Did Tomlin blow up the Steelers or change schemes, NO !
Football guys, Romo, and Lorenzo Neal have pointed out for even the dullest knives in the drawer. Firing Jackson was a huge mistake. The current coaches are clueless and have totally lost the players in a super short time span. Not a single player has improved under their stewardship.
In other words they’re a worthless group of unprepared, overmatched scrub coaches.
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Firing Hue may look like a huge mistake to close Minded people, but it was the right move , a coach isn’t really that good when he can’t get a team to play good and win games down the stretch with playoffs on the line , whether he’s a rookie or not , and they had to rebuild with eye toward future they realized they could have won some games with this group but weren’t able to because they thought the D would come around but the just realized the players are just not there , even they realized they can’t get to Qb’s without extra pressure , you really mean to say they will su@@ as bad if they had a pretty good edge rusher or two? You think ZBS can’t be mor successful down the road the power scheme?? look at the numbers Houston put up with back up Rb and 3rd string QB against Ravens in a PLAYOFF game , both can be successfully , but both needs some good players and some time to succeed
December 15th, 2012 at 9:32 am
RaiderDanny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:09 am
GO CHEIFS!!!
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“Oh Danny Boy..the pipes..the pipes are calling…”
That had to hurt saying that…’Go Chiefs’.
I know what u mean…the only way i can root against the Raiders is if I don’t watch the game…and then check the score after i think it’s over…and wait for the usual result.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Everybody is rookie next year will be better
December 15th, 2012 at 9:35 am
N you called a 8-8 team successful and compared it to teams Tomlin took over ?? And Gruden took over?? Are you seriously fukkk1n comparing 11 team to 98 team and 02 bucs team and which ever year Mike Tomlinson took over
December 15th, 2012 at 9:35 am
RaiderDanny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Never heard Gruden deny the reports!
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He won’t until and unless the rumor gets so hot that he has to.
He let those Tennessee rumors go on forever until newspapers had him already hired and ESPN asked him “WTH is going on”?
December 15th, 2012 at 9:37 am
The only way to fix it is flush it all away! Any Fu**n time, any Fu**n DAY!! Hope to see you down in the Arizona Bay!! — TOOL- AENEMA
December 15th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Whether you wanna blame DA or Tarver for the struggles of this D, not sure which D is DAs speciality but let’s just say he’s a 4-3 D guy and Tarver is a 3-4 guy ?? The question is which idiot thinks we could have succeeded in either ??
December 15th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Derek Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 3:50 am
McFadden20: how many management teams in recent history elected to dismantle their offense after ranking 6th to 8th the previous season. How many successful management teams dismantled an 8-8 team to rebuild vs fine tuning what they had.
Let me answer for you; NONE !
Did Gruden and Allen blow up the veteran laden Raiders or Buc. Did Tomlin blow up the Steelers or change schemes, NO !
Football guys, Romo, and Lorenzo Neal have pointed out for even the dullest knives in the drawer. Firing Jackson was a huge mistake. The current coaches are clueless and have totally lost the players in a super short time span. Not a single player has improved under their stewardship.
In other words they’re a worthless group of unprepared, overmatched scrub coaches.
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Firing Hue may look like a huge mistake to close Minded people, but it was the right move , a coach isn’t really that good when he can’t get a team to play good and win games down the stretch with playoffs on the line , whether he’s a rookie or not , and they had to rebuild with eye toward future they realized they could have won some games with this group but weren’t able to because they thought the D would come around but the just realized the players are just not there , even they realized they can’t get to Qb’s without extra pressure , you really mean to say they will su@@ as bad if they had a pretty good edge rusher or two? You think ZBS can’t be mor successful down the road the power scheme?? look at the numbers Houston put up with back up Rb and 3rd string QB against Ravens in a PLAYOFF game , both can be successfully , but both needs some good players and some time to succeed
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Its not about the system. Yes either Power or Zone blocking will work with Proper teaching and players. However, if systems are changed you can’t get worse as the season progresses. And why change????? Our offense wasn’t the problem.
Reggie fired Hue with obviously no plan. Thats what really bothers me. He speaks about keeping core coaches around but completely starts over because of he wants his guys? If his guys are DA and Knapp we have a serious problem. It that was his plan we have a serious problem. Its not about the systems its about the coaching of the systems. Knapp has proven to be terrible but we left it in his hands to change our complete offense. For what??? Its a joke and the results prove it was a complete joke. Reggie needs to correct it or he needs to go.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Dear Santa,,
For Christmas I would like to have our 1st draft pick in April to be,,
NT- Star Lotulelei from Utah
Thanks in advance, Pretty Rick
December 15th, 2012 at 9:43 am
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December 15th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Young guys are stepping upto the plate and making names for themselves this year, DA is not afraid to bench guys and cut them , look at how better Moore played last week compared to week before , Bartell didn’t perform and Adams stepped up, so they saw potential in that young guy and decided to give Adams as much playing time by cutting loose Bartell, you can bet Streater would probably see the most snaps outta all wide receivers rest of the games
December 15th, 2012 at 9:45 am
DJ put your age out there a bit knowing “oh Danny boy” my mom and Aunt use to sing that! There up there in the 70’s??
December 15th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Do not fire Reggie. Just get Greg Knapp out of the way so the team can actually move forward.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:47 am
It really makes me sick to say this, but the only way us fans can really be heard is not to go to the games. Mark needs to feel it in his pocket and then maybe changes will happen.
If they keep this product around, why should we be the ones to suffer anyways. For those who actually think we are headed into the right direction, god have mercy on your soul, because you truly must be lost.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Its not about the system. Yes either Power or Zone blocking will work with Proper teaching and players. However, if systems are changed you can’t get worse as the season progresses. And why change????? Our offense wasn’t the problem.
Reggie fired Hue with obviously no plan. Thats what really bothers me. He speaks about keeping core coaches around but completely starts over because of he wants his guys? If his guys are DA and Knapp we have a serious problem. It that was his plan we have a serious problem. Its not about the systems its about the coaching of the systems. Knapp has proven to be terrible but we left it in his hands to change our complete offense. For what??? Its a joke and the results prove it was a complete joke. Reggie needs to correct it or he needs to go.
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Dude it was just a 8-8 team that went 1-4 down the stretch with a chance to make the playoffs and that only had 1 guy to rely on offense that barely lasted 5 games, knapp is just not a good teacher but I believe they will find Someone better at OC but why not dismantle the freakin system if you think the other one is better for the longterm?? It wasn’t like we came of a playoff year lol
December 15th, 2012 at 9:51 am
McFadden20, You can only put just so much perfume on a pig.
Reggie’s 2012 Raiders are a DISGRACE.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:53 am
ZBS isn’t the problem, we can all agree Knapp is a problem , but c’mon we were not going to turn into a playoff team even if we brought back B Walsh to coach our Offense lets not kid ourselves
December 15th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Im really routing for the Cheifs! Didnt hurt at all! Raiders are a joke! The train crashed, i wanna see the last two cars and Kaboos fall off the track!!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:51 am
McFadden20, You can only put just so much perfume on a pig.
Reggie’s 2012 Raiders are a DISGRACE.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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Lemme guess your one of those pro Al guy who defended last 10 years under Al’s watch ? No?
December 15th, 2012 at 9:55 am
GM-your gonna see couple his buddies leave for new jobs and the missing link Eliot Wolf hopefully arrive
HC-he gonna get rid some crap coaches and be given players he needs to succeed
OWNER-he gonna learn how to play his nerves better and plan new stadia
All rookies need a little time and we got three in top positions this second draft we pick from the top and they will be more prepared now everyones feet under the table, this is the last year of the losing
December 15th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Raiders fans rooting against the Raiders – THANKS REGGIE
December 15th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Its not about the system. Yes either Power or Zone blocking will work with Proper teaching and players. However, if systems are changed you can’t get worse as the season progresses. And why change????? Our offense wasn’t the problem.
Reggie fired Hue with obviously no plan. Thats what really bothers me. He speaks about keeping core coaches around but completely starts over because of he wants his guys? If his guys are DA and Knapp we have a serious problem. It that was his plan we have a serious problem. Its not about the systems its about the coaching of the systems. Knapp has proven to be terrible but we left it in his hands to change our complete offense. For what??? Its a joke and the results prove it was a complete joke. Reggie needs to correct it or he needs to go.
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Dude it was just a 8-8 team that went 1-4 down the stretch with a chance to make the playoffs and that only had 1 guy to rely on offense that barely lasted 5 games, knapp is just not a good teacher but I believe they will find Someone better at OC but why not dismantle the freakin system if you think the other one is better for the longterm?? It wasn’t like we came of a playoff year lol
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Who says its better for the long term???? Both systems have proven to work. We had a good offense last year and now we are awful. As i previously stated, there was no plan to fix the offense. The new regime just came in and changed everything with Knapp leading the way. Thats what the problem was. So who Mcfadden do we bring in now at OC? We are now starting from scratch when it wasn’t necessary, thats the point. And to call people close minded is a joke. We were 8-8 and competitive last year. Was that ideal no. But 3-10 at looking like a complete disaster is ideal??? At this point how can you back up anything the new regime has done. You are relying on pure blind hope, and to make it all feel better we use terms like “patience” “for the future” “better in the long run”
December 15th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Can’t believe people make so much of the season and see no potential with these guys because they have 3 wins , but are ready to put Hue in HoF cuz he won 8 games n lost down the stretch with chances to make playoffs ? Really you can have confidence in a coach that couldn’t inspire his team to win 1 more freakin game to make playoffs ?? Don’t forget we barely squeezed by KC in week 16 , so in a weak division you needed a few more wins to make playoffs , and he almost got his team bounced out in week 16 lmao
December 15th, 2012 at 10:02 am
This is a results business and Reggie’s results speak for themselves.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Who says its better for the long term???? Both systems have proven to work. We had a good offense last year and now we are awful. As i previously stated, there was no plan to fix the offense. The new regime just came in and changed everything with Knapp leading the way. Thats what the problem was. So who Mcfadden do we bring in now at OC? We are now starting from scratch when it wasn’t necessary, thats the point. And to call people close minded is a joke. We were 8-8 and competitive last year. Was that ideal no. But 3-10 at looking like a complete disaster is ideal??? At this point how can you back up anything the new regime has done. You are relying on pure blind hope, and to make it all feel better we use terms like “patience” “for the future” “better in the long run”
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Competitive team?lol you talking about same team that went 1-4 down the stretch in a weak division ?? Not to mention trailing by 34-0 before finally putting points on board in successive weeks in that 1-4 stretch, if that had happened to this team you guys would said oh guys are giving up on DA, that O wasn’t that awesome as people like to make it out to w , yes we could have scored a Fg more , but this team is far from beating good teams , as evidenced by only 1 win against a too team over 2 years, so you give these guys time to work together and learn on the spot and acquire better players , we can’t judge anyone over 1 freaking year
December 15th, 2012 at 10:11 am
RaiderDanny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:45 am
DJ put your age out there a bit knowing “oh Danny boy” my mom and Aunt use to sing that! There up there in the 70’s??
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I’m 76 yr’s old. Lol.
No, but I got that more from Goodfellas when Morry was ticked off that Henry and Jimmy Conway wouldn’t give him his take from the Lufthansa caper.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Why wasn’t starting from scratch necessary , if I’m the coach , and I feel like installing ZBS is a Better idea since it will take couple of headaches away every year , we won’t have to find a top Oline or give out lucrative contracts to top running Backs , why wouldn’t you do that ? Yes Knapp sukks and u can give DA all the sh1t for tha by please tell me who the eff was available?? Mark took his time to hire Reg then Reg took his time to hire DA by that time it aa too late to hire anyone good so he jus went with the guy he knew , and he believes in ZbS , but do you really think knapp will be back , he will be fired in aero after the season is done and DA would have more choices to get his oc from
December 15th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Haven’t been in here for a couple days but interesting comments from Krapp. Sort of throws a wrench at the ‘its the lack of talent’ crowd in here. So it takes 2 years and we need to ‘keep as many players as possible’. Lol! The coach himself is saying it was the scheme and not the talent. Smh
December 15th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Anyone who didnt notice these Coaches couldnt get the team lined up to snap the ball at the start of the season! Need not respond on this blog!
December 15th, 2012 at 10:17 am
I should have known better then to bet against Chris Ault. Now he is a great coach and has proven it over decades
December 15th, 2012 at 10:20 am
The coaches say it takes 2 years and the excuse makers in here say we have no talent and these guys should all be out of the NFL, so not only do we need a talent overhaul, but it takes 2 years for players to grasp the scheme.
TEN and THEN in full effect!!!
December 15th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Wow really old folks show up in here , I’m only 25 I guess I’m the only younger than 30 guy in here lol
December 15th, 2012 at 10:21 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Haven’t been in here for a couple days but interesting comments from Krapp. Sort of throws a wrench at the ‘its the lack of talent’ crowd in here. So it takes 2 years and we need to ‘keep as many players as possible’. Lol! The coach himself is saying it was the scheme and not the talent. Smh
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The Knapp presser is a cacophony of contradiction to the point it’s a complete insult to every Raider fan and those with any intelligence whatsoever.
Bleacher Report wrote an article about it and blasted it for what it was.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:22 am
And never mind the nice little fact Cork throws in about Krapp’s offenses historically getting WORSE in their second year.
Enjoy, folks. TEN and THEN we realize our staff stinks.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Maybe McClain will come in and shoot the whole Coaching staff!!
December 15th, 2012 at 10:23 am
RaiderDanny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Anyone who didnt notice these Coaches couldnt get the team lined up to snap the ball at the start of the season! Need not respond on this blog!
– what about the other team getting 2 kickoffs a to start each half under Who? I forgot who it was against
December 15th, 2012 at 10:24 am
The Knapp presser is a cacophony of contradiction to the point it’s a complete insult to every Raider fan and those with any intelligence whatsoever.
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Sums it up nicely.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Under Hue **^
December 15th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Knapp is kidding himself if he thinks he would be bright back for another year , you can see DA is not afraid to make tough choices , well hardly any tough choice to make from this roster lol but evidenced by suspending guys, benching them and cutting them, you can tell Knapp won’t be back , DA will tell him thanks for giving guys experience in ZBS , now we will hire a real ZBS guy
December 15th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Brought back^^** damn this iPhone p
December 15th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Why wasn’t starting from scratch necessary , if I’m the coach , and I feel like installing ZBS is a Better idea since it will take couple of headaches away every year , we won’t have to find a top Oline or give out lucrative contracts to top running Backs , why wouldn’t you do that ? Yes Knapp sukks and u can give DA all the sh1t for tha by please tell me who the eff was available?? Mark took his time to hire Reg then Reg took his time to hire DA by that time it aa too late to hire anyone good so he jus went with the guy he knew , and he believes in ZbS , but do you really think knapp will be back , he will be fired in aero after the season is done and DA would have more choices to get his oc from
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I really wish I was in denial like you currently are, it would make things a lot easier to grasp.
We are an embarrassment of a team, a flat out joke. In fact teams on the other sidelines actually laugh while playing us. To think we didn’t take that many steps back is really just shocking. I don’t know what else to say. This coaching staff, not just Knapp are so are far in over their head its comical.
Keep hoping and Praying McFadden, but to let you know, this current coaching staff including your boy DA will not bring this team to the playoffs. Maybe your hatred for Hue is clouding your judgement, I’m not sure.
We were 8-8 for two straight years, as mentioned not ideal. Now we are 3-10, getting worse and a complete joke. Its really that simple. You can spin it however you want, but one thing you can’t spin is our record and the fact we are not getting better. We have lost 6 games in a row…6!
December 15th, 2012 at 10:28 am
#796 your heart hasnt been broken enough to be a real Raider fan! BUt keep your chin up! Theres still time!
December 15th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Tarver should be okay though, can’t blame him for lack of pass rush, you can only game plan so much , it’s still the pressure up front that beats the good Os
December 15th, 2012 at 10:32 am
RaiderDanny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:28 am
#796 your heart hasnt been broken enough to be a real Raider fan! BUt keep your chin up! Theres still time!
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What ?? Please tell me you were kidding with me?? I only watched 3 good years 00-01-02 an went through the worst NFL stretch in 7 year period from 03-09 , my heart hasn’t been broken enough?? lmao
December 15th, 2012 at 10:33 am
#800 lol, forgot about that! Lol
December 15th, 2012 at 10:34 am
dersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
That would be a dam shame if we had to trade for our own 2nd round pick back.
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Agree. Pretty bitter pill.
But….if Reggie trades Carson for a 1 or 2 maybe it eases the pain. lol
It’s obvious we are in rebuild mode.
I’d stockpile as much cap room and draft picks as possible.
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I’m not in favor of trading Palmer, we need that guy we just need to get the run game going build a stout line(like we did for Gannon) in front of him so he doesnt have to run for his life and throw off his back foot so much.
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our team is young…we need a young franchise to grow with them.
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Or go with the better option. You keep in a very smart, seasoned QB that acts like a second coach on the field. He isn’t the future but he’s the best way to get everyone else up to speed quickly. He helps with the reads for the OL, he audibles to put them in the best position to succeed on each play, he makes the throws where the WRs can catch them without getting killed, and so on.
The alternative is to put a young guy in that *might* be the future, might not. Along the way he’s missing reads, making bad throws, and potentially stunting the learning of all those around him. What you are doing is paying the cost of grooming the player at the most complex position through everyone else.
Better yet, get the rest of the offense on the same page and then insert your franchise QB. Drop him into a well oiled machine where you can meter his learning curve as everyone else picks up the slack on his mistakes. This is what Green Bay did with Favre building the machine for Rodgers. It’s what it looks like the Whiners are doing using Smith to get the offense system working (mostly through a strong running game that sets up the high percentage passes) and then handing the reigns to Kap.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Zymurge Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:34 am
dersince87 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
That would be a dam shame if we had to trade for our own 2nd round pick back.
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Agree. Pretty bitter pill.
But….if Reggie trades Carson for a 1 or 2 maybe it eases the pain. lol
It’s obvious we are in rebuild mode.
I’d stockpile as much cap room and draft picks as possible.
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I’m not in favor of trading Palmer, we need that guy we just need to get the run game going build a stout line(like we did for Gannon) in front of him so he doesnt have to run for his life and throw off his back foot so much.
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our team is young…we need a young franchise to grow with them.
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Or go with the better option. You keep in a very smart, seasoned QB that acts like a second coach on the field. He isn’t the future but he’s the best way to get everyone else up to speed quickly. He helps with the reads for the OL, he audibles to put them in the best position to succeed on each play, he makes the throws where the WRs can catch them without getting killed, and so on.
The alternative is to put a young guy in that *might* be the future, might not. Along the way he’s missing reads, making bad throws, and potentially stunting the learning of all those around him. What you are doing is paying the cost of grooming the player at the most complex position through everyone else.
Better yet, get the rest of the offense on the same page and then insert your franchise QB. Drop him into a well oiled machine where you can meter his learning curve as everyone else picks up the slack on his mistakes. This is what Green Bay did with Favre building the machine for Rodgers. It’s what it looks like the Whiners are doing using Smith to get the offense system working (mostly through a strong running game that sets up the high percentage passes) and then handing the reigns to Kap.
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Agreed. I also like the fact that some people think its that easy to find a franchise quarterback. If it was that easy there would be more. There isn’t a luck or RG3 coming out of this draft. To get rid of Palmer who can stabilize this team first and then hand it over to our next QB would be foolish.
However, if there was a luck or RG3 I would get rid of Palmer (and I think Palmer is the least of our worries). However, next year that is not the case.
And if people bring up Pryor being our Franchise quarterback, i will become ill.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:40 am
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I really wish I was in denial like you currently are, it would make things a lot easier to grasp.
We are an embarrassment of a team, a flat out joke. In fact teams on the other sidelines actually laugh while playing us. To think we didn’t take that many steps back is really just shocking. I don’t know what else to say. This coaching staff, not just Knapp are so are far in over their head its comical.
Keep hoping and Praying McFadden, but to let you know, this current coaching staff including your boy DA will not bring this team to the playoffs. Maybe your hatred for Hue is clouding your judgement, I’m not sure.
We were 8-8 for two straight years, as mentioned not ideal. Now we are 3-10, getting worse and a complete joke. Its really that simple. You can spin it however you want, but one thing you can’t spin is our record and the fact we are not getting better. We have lost 6 games in a row…6!
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Just to make it clear DA is not my boy lol and I never hated HUE, In fact I wanted him backfir another year, but I understand why a new management would want to go their own way , even if the team would regress in year 1 , and nobody is spinning our record , DA is defensive minded and yes he made a mistake in hiring a bad OC which he can’t change until the season is over but I want to see how DA will do with real players on his side of expertise , Hue had McFadden on his side to rely on , who does DA have to fix his side? Shaugnessy and Houston rushing from edge ?? Please , so I would give him chance with more options for OC and better players on D side , we could easily be a top 10 team next year, I only seen guys getting beat because they aren’t making plays on O side because Te coach sukks along with the receivers , but on D side because of lack of talent
December 15th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Interesting how this Toilet Bowl was considered a sellout and that only about 40k fans will actually show up.
Glad I get to watch the mess of a game on TV though instead of downloading it, so I won’t get viruses.
Pryor better get plenty of action.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Mcfadden20, now I know why you’re not terribly pro-Gruden. You’re not old enough to know what it was like before Gruden and just how good a job he did turning this team around. We, as fans, noticed the difference right away. The team was in just about every game. It was competitive even when playing much better teams.
Not like this year where we are getting embarrassed on a weekly basis.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:43 am
#808 its a good start but its been worse! How about 8-1 Raiders best record in the league! Were on Del Taco cups! To lose 7 in a row and not make the playoffs! Or the best Defense in the leaguue (Willie Shaw) and the offense cant make a first down!! We lost game 3-0! Lol
December 15th, 2012 at 10:44 am
801.The Big Banana Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:24 am
The Knapp presser is a cacophony of contradiction to the point it’s a complete insult to every Raider fan and those with any intelligence whatsoever.
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Sums it up nicely.
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Yep!
December 15th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Rudegruden Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Its not about the system. Yes either Power or Zone blocking will work with Proper teaching and players. However, if systems are changed you can’t get worse as the season progresses. And why change????? Our offense wasn’t the problem.
Reggie fired Hue with obviously no plan. Thats what really bothers me. He speaks about keeping core coaches around but completely starts over because of he wants his guys? If his guys are DA and Knapp we have a serious problem. It that was his plan we have a serious problem. Its not about the systems its about the coaching of the systems. Knapp has proven to be terrible but we left it in his hands to change our complete offense. For what??? Its a joke and the results prove it was a complete joke. Reggie needs to correct it or he needs to go.
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Dude it was just a 8-8 team that went 1-4 down the stretch with a chance to make the playoffs and that only had 1 guy to rely on offense that barely lasted 5 games, knapp is just not a good teacher but I believe they will find Someone better at OC but why not dismantle the freakin system if you think the other one is better for the longterm?? It wasn’t like we came of a playoff year lol
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Who says its better for the long term???? Both systems have proven to work. We had a good offense last year and now we are awful. As i previously stated, there was no plan to fix the offense. The new regime just came in and changed everything with Knapp leading the way. Thats what the problem was. So who Mcfadden do we bring in now at OC? We are now starting from scratch when it wasn’t necessary, thats the point. And to call people close minded is a joke. We were 8-8 and competitive last year. Was that ideal no. But 3-10 at looking like a complete disaster is ideal??? At this point how can you back up anything the new regime has done. You are relying on pure blind hope, and to make it all feel better we use terms like “patience” “for the future” “better in the long run”
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someone else calling Mc20 out on his DENIAL and BLIND OPTIMISM. You are truly showing your age and it makes the other young guys like me look bad.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:46 am
I don’t know where you guys get the idea tha players are giving up on DA? I saw young guys making plays on both sides , D giving PM hard time blitzing on every down , c’mon when was the last time a team could blitz on every down against PM and expected Okay results?? But we did that and played well, if the O had not droppe some balls we could have been talking about different results , I want to see knapp gone the first day after the last game
December 15th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Big bananas right!
December 15th, 2012 at 10:47 am
If you want to know one of the reasons we are 30th in the league in rushing, read this from profootballfocus…
“Myers has holes to his game and his issues have come as a run blocker. He’s yet to grade positively in that department in any game this season, and his -18.8 run block grade is by far the worst in the league among tight ends.”
..end quote….
There is more to the game than catching the ball at TE. I think Knapp forgot to tell Myers that… or even more likely, he hasn’t noticed this. There is no reason at all for Myers to be in the game on running situations at all.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:49 am
376.J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
An ILB 3rd overall or higher????
Manti is a one year wonder.
We just drafted an all world LB with a high pick and apparently are regretting it.
Keep it simple and take either Lotuleilei or Moore.
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Comparing Te’o to McClain is just waaaaay off base.
But yeah, 3rd overall I woild like to trade down 5 spots and then snatch Te’o to be the new leader and quarterback of a rebuilt defense.
Can Star or Moore be a quaterback and leader or captain of a defense?
Nah.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Exactly, Zymurge! There is no clear reason to focus the team’s limited resources on the potential of a different QB. Fix the lines, get a valid #1 WR in place, establish the systems on offense and defense then plug in Palmer’s successor. Even those of us who despise Jamarcus were concerned about the lack of cohesion on the team when he was drafted, because it possessed none of those qualities. Our team still isn’t at the point where a new QB will flourish. It would be counterproductive to change that position before everything else is ready.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:51 am
820.Gdog Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:47 am
If you want to know one of the reasons we are 30th in the league in rushing, read this from profootballfocus…
“Myers has holes to his game and his issues have come as a run blocker. He’s yet to grade positively in that department in any game this season, and his -18.8 run block grade is by far the worst in the league among tight ends.”
..end quote….
There is more to the game than catching the ball at TE. I think Knapp forgot to tell Myers that… or even more likely, he hasn’t noticed this. There is no reason at all for Myers to be in the game on running situations at all.
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We are 30th in the league in rushing, because DA should have NEVER hired crappy Knapp and change the whole offense around when it didn’t need to be.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:53 am
If you want us to JUMP YOU IN LET US KNOW!!
December 15th, 2012 at 10:53 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Mcfadden20, now I know why you’re not terribly pro-Gruden. You’re not old enough to know what it was like before Gruden and just how good a job he did turning this team around. We, as fans, noticed the difference right away. The team was in just about every game. It was competitive even when playing much better teams.
Not like this year where we are getting embarrassed on a weekly basis.
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I don’t know why Gruden is an ideal choice when he had success with talented teams and not with the same talent as this 12 team is ? I mean we had just recently came off 7 straight years under 5 wins 03-09 , where when gruden took over the team only had less than 7 wins just twice since late 60s , No??? 98 team was way better and even it took him until 3rd year to get into playoffs, so why not give DA same amount of time ? He doesn’t have T brown and beast lineman , he doesn’t have C Woodson , D Russel an other guys on his side
December 15th, 2012 at 10:56 am
papertiger418 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Exactly, Zymurge! There is no clear reason to focus the team’s limited resources on the potential of a different QB. Fix the lines, get a valid #1 WR in place, establish the systems on offense and defense then plug in Palmer’s successor. Even those of us who despise Jamarcus were concerned about the lack of cohesion on the team when he was drafted, because it possessed none of those qualities. Our team still isn’t at the point where a new QB will flourish. It would be counterproductive to change that position before everything else is ready.
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Agreed… I think I read where CP has the least time to throw of any team. How does anyone think a rookie QB would handle this? The money and draft status would be better spent on a blue chip lineman.
We need a new C, RG, RT, and a TE that can BLOCK first, catch balls secondarily. Move Wiz to LG to team up with Veldheer again… they reminded me of Shell/Upshaw last year. If CP had the time Brady has, he might not be as good as Brady, but he’d be up there.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:49 am
376.J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
An ILB 3rd overall or higher????
Manti is a one year wonder.
We just drafted an all world LB with a high pick and apparently are regretting it.
Keep it simple and take either Lotuleilei or Moore.
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Comparing Te’o to McClain is just waaaaay off base.
But yeah, 3rd overall I woild like to trade down 5 spots and then snatch Te’o to be the new leader and quarterback of a rebuilt defense.
Can Star or Moore be a quaterback and leader or captain of a defense?
Nah.
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Teo is overrated and will be exposed by Bamma, meanwhile Star and Moore are the top rated D players on the draft board slotted to go 1,2 in the draft by Todd Mcshay.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:58 am
someone else calling Mc20 out on his DENIAL and BLIND OPTIMISM. You are truly showing your age and it makes the other young guys like me look bad.
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Really dude ?? I’m optimistic because DA is a d minded coach who could do wonders with some better players on his Side , where as he made a typical mistake most of D minded coaches make in hiring offensive coordinators, which he can fix with upcoming offseason and with obviously way more choices compared to last year when e was hired late January
December 15th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Te’o will be a top 3pick
December 15th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Just changing offensive coordinator is worth 2-3 wins, I like ZBS though , time to bring in UDFA try outs next year at RB and find our A Foster , save the 6 m we were going to give Dmac and bring in a sack specialist
December 15th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Hard to judge college prospects , Atleast 3-4 guys could go #1 but we won’t find out about then until atleast their 3rd year but I hope we get a legit guy who comes in Nd instantly improves our pass rush , we could use our next Howie long from edge or W Sapp from inside
December 15th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:53 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Mcfadden20, now I know why you’re not terribly pro-Gruden. You’re not old enough to know what it was like before Gruden and just how good a job he did turning this team around. We, as fans, noticed the difference right away. The team was in just about every game. It was competitive even when playing much better teams.
Not like this year where we are getting embarrassed on a weekly basis.
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I don’t know why Gruden is an ideal choice when he had success with talented teams and not with the same talent as this 12 team is ? I mean we had just recently came off 7 straight years under 5 wins 03-09 , where when gruden took over the team only had less than 7 wins just twice since late 60s , No??? 98 team was way better and even it took him until 3rd year to get into playoffs, so why not give DA same amount of time ? He doesn’t have T brown and beast lineman , he doesn’t have C Woodson , D Russel an other guys on his side
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Gruden and BAllen built that team together, they drafted woodson and brought in fa’s like william thomas and eric allen. Get a clue before you speak Mc20.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Wow really old folks show up in here , I’m only 25 I guess I’m the only younger than 30 guy in here lol
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I’m not really 76…lol, but i’m old enough to remember when the Raiders were good.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am
I don’t know about Star , but I want the Qb’s to feel uncomfortable with some one like ad Moore coming from their blind side and lead some of those throws to be intercepted
December 15th, 2012 at 11:06 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:58 am
someone else calling Mc20 out on his DENIAL and BLIND OPTIMISM. You are truly showing your age and it makes the other young guys like me look bad.
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Really dude ?? I’m optimistic because DA is a d minded coach who could do wonders with some better players on his Side , where as he made a typical mistake most of D minded coaches make in hiring offensive coordinators, which he can fix with upcoming offseason and with obviously way more choices compared to last year when e was hired late January
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Anybody that thinks the way to fix this franchise is by firing yet another HC is way out of line. Most of the top franchises have stability at HC. Most of the bottom franchises keep firing HCs.
This is not a coincidence.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:07 am
RaiderDanny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Te’o will be a top 3pick
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More like top 10 or 15, his stock will drop after this Bama game.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:09 am
827.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:49 am
376.J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
An ILB 3rd overall or higher????
Manti is a one year wonder.
We just drafted an all world LB with a high pick and apparently are regretting it.
Keep it simple and take either Lotuleilei or Moore.
^^^^^^^^
Comparing Te’o to McClain is just waaaaay off base.
But yeah, 3rd overall I woild like to trade down 5 spots and then snatch Te’o to be the new leader and quarterback of a rebuilt defense.
Can Star or Moore be a quaterback and leader or captain of a defense?
Nah.
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Teo is overrated and will be exposed by Bamma, meanwhile Star and Moore are the top rated D players on the draft board slotted to go 1,2 in the draft by Todd Mcshay.
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How is he overrated? hahaha
Have you seen Te’o play?? Have you seen tape of him?
Bama is not going to expose Te’o, if anything Bama may expose the Irish secondary.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:58 am
someone else calling Mc20 out on his DENIAL and BLIND OPTIMISM. You are truly showing your age and it makes the other young guys like me look bad.
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Really dude ?? I’m optimistic because DA is a d minded coach who could do wonders with some better players on his Side , where as he made a typical mistake most of D minded coaches make in hiring offensive coordinators, which he can fix with upcoming offseason and with obviously way more choices compared to last year when e was hired late January
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Rudegruden already ripped you a new one no need for me to do it also.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:10 am
836.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:07 am
RaiderDanny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Te’o will be a top 3pick
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More like top 10 or 15, his stock will drop after this Bama game.
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Not after ND upsets Bama!
December 15th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:53 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Mcfadden20, now I know why you’re not terribly pro-Gruden. You’re not old enough to know what it was like before Gruden and just how good a job he did turning this team around. We, as fans, noticed the difference right away. The team was in just about every game. It was competitive even when playing much better teams.
Not like this year where we are getting embarrassed on a weekly basis.
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I don’t know why Gruden is an ideal choice when he had success with talented teams and not with the same talent as this 12 team is ? I mean we had just recently came off 7 straight years under 5 wins 03-09 , where when gruden took over the team only had less than 7 wins just twice since late 60s , No??? 98 team was way better and even it took him until 3rd year to get into playoffs, so why not give DA same amount of time ? He doesn’t have T brown and beast lineman , he doesn’t have C Woodson , D Russel an other guys on his side
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Gruden and BAllen built that team together, they drafted woodson and brought in fa’s like william thomas and eric allen. Get a clue before you speak Mc20.
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So lemme guess C Woodson came in 3rd round?? And they got all those players players after they were 40M over cap?? 98 team was still >>> 12 team before or after gruden took over anyway you want to look at it. Late 60s to 97 = only 2 years under 7 wins , 03-11 probably the worst 9 year stretch ever
December 15th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Some of you have talked about Carroll arriving in Seattle as the real reason behind Seattle’s’ resurgence. Something we in Oakland have a right to expect. Immediate fix without doing the basics such as drafting well and building in the box talent.
Take a look at Seattle’s top two picks in the last six drafts and you will see that 9 OF THE 12 PICKS WERE TAKEN ON IN THE BOX PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mr. Davis would not let that happen. That was Cable’s preference all along and he said so in interviews. I watched them. It is a primary reason he was not retained.
FURTHER, MANY OF YOU ON THIS BLOG THOUGHT CABLE WAS A BUFFOON. WRONG AGAIN. HE OBVIOUSLY IS A KEY PART OF SEATTLE’S TURNAROUND!!!!!!!
“Ask any Seattle player, and he will speak of how important Cable has been. He has helped give Seattle its physical mindset. (Running back Marshawn) Lynch even waited for reassurance that Cable would be back for 2012 before he agreed to re-sign.”
Schefter opined that Cable is on track to be considered for another head coaching gig in the NFL based on the wonders he has worked with the Seahawks.
Moral of the story; Draft well and build your lines with high picks. Build your foundation through the draft and the wins will follow. The coaches then seem much smarter don’t they? That is why franchises like the Giants and Packers and Ravens and Steelers are successful. They have continuity in their coaches. They all have some assistant moves but the basic structure stays consistent.
That is what is needed in OAKLAND. The problem is far more a lack of talent on the field than lacking a cerebral fix from the press box.
Also please remain silent on what you should expect of Reggie and this new regime.
He is missing 75% of his top four picks with his first two drafts and he was way over the cap in his first year. Name a recent one year turn around with that barrier in front of a staff.
Every circumstance is different and they are far more complicated than many of you seem to comprehend. Sure a coach can “HELP” improve a situation. It is not exclusively a coaching change that is involved. There a multiple factors that converge to create a winner. I have said repeatedly coaching is about 20 % of the equation. On field talent is far more important. Under close scrutiny, ALL seemingly quick fixes were preceded by several years of solid, unspectacular drafts especially “in the box “that built a solid core. (See Seattle).
It is time to realize immediate gratification is for kids, not adults. If you cannot handle the fact that we have been mismanaged for a decade, follow another team. This is a 3-5 year project unlike anything that has ever existed in the NFL. A complete and total makeover.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:12 am
836.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:07 am
RaiderDanny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Te’o will be a top 3pick
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More like top 10 or 15, his stock will drop after this Bama game.
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Top 10 is cool. McK should trade down 5-6 spots….get another pick and then draft the beast Te’o to be the quarterback and new leader of Raider defense.
Good MLB’s/ILB’s like Te’o who can do it all are a rarity in the NFL.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:07 am
RaiderDanny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Te’o will be a top 3pick
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More like top 10 or 15, his stock will drop after this Bama game.
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He will be top 7 pick whether his stock rises or falls
December 15th, 2012 at 11:14 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:09 am
827.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:49 am
376.J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
An ILB 3rd overall or higher????
Manti is a one year wonder.
We just drafted an all world LB with a high pick and apparently are regretting it.
Keep it simple and take either Lotuleilei or Moore.
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Comparing Te’o to McClain is just waaaaay off base.
But yeah, 3rd overall I woild like to trade down 5 spots and then snatch Te’o to be the new leader and quarterback of a rebuilt defense.
Can Star or Moore be a quaterback and leader or captain of a defense?
Nah.
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Teo is overrated and will be exposed by Bamma, meanwhile Star and Moore are the top rated D players on the draft board slotted to go 1,2 in the draft by Todd Mcshay.
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How is he overrated? hahaha
Have you seen Te’o play?? Have you seen tape of him?
Bama is not going to expose Te’o, if anything Bama may expose the Irish secondary.
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How are they gonna expose him? hmmmm lets see they ran for 300 yards against a much better d in the bulldogs I figure they will run it right down Teo’s throat. And where in the hell was this guy last year? 1 year wonder.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:15 am
841.Charlie Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Some of you have talked about Carroll arriving in Seattle as the real reason behind Seattle’s’ resurgence. Something we in Oakland have a right to expect. Immediate fix without doing the basics such as drafting well and building in the box talent.
Take a look at Seattle’s top two picks in the last six drafts and you will see that 9 OF THE 12 PICKS WERE TAKEN ON IN THE BOX PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mr. Davis would not let that happen. That was Cable’s preference all along and he said so in interviews. I watched them. It is a primary reason he was not retained.
FURTHER, MANY OF YOU ON THIS BLOG THOUGHT CABLE WAS A BUFFOON. WRONG AGAIN. HE OBVIOUSLY IS A KEY PART OF SEATTLE’S TURNAROUND!!!!!!!
“Ask any Seattle player, and he will speak of how important Cable has been. He has helped give Seattle its physical mindset. (Running back Marshawn) Lynch even waited for reassurance that Cable would be back for 2012 before he agreed to re-sign.”
Schefter opined that Cable is on track to be considered for another head coaching gig in the NFL based on the wonders he has worked with the Seahawks.
Moral of the story; Draft well and build your lines with high picks. Build your foundation through the draft and the wins will follow. The coaches then seem much smarter don’t they? That is why franchises like the Giants and Packers and Ravens and Steelers are successful. They have continuity in their coaches. They all have some assistant moves but the basic structure stays consistent.
That is what is needed in OAKLAND. The problem is far more a lack of talent on the field than lacking a cerebral fix from the press box.
Also please remain silent on what you should expect of Reggie and this new regime.
He is missing 75% of his top four picks with his first two drafts and he was way over the cap in his first year. Name a recent one year turn around with that barrier in front of a staff.
Every circumstance is different and they are far more complicated than many of you seem to comprehend. Sure a coach can “HELP” improve a situation. It is not exclusively a coaching change that is involved. There a multiple factors that converge to create a winner. I have said repeatedly coaching is about 20 % of the equation. On field talent is far more important. Under close scrutiny, ALL seemingly quick fixes were preceded by several years of solid, unspectacular drafts especially “in the box “that built a solid core. (See Seattle).
It is time to realize immediate gratification is for kids, not adults. If you cannot handle the fact that we have been mismanaged for a decade, follow another team. This is a 3-5 year project unlike anything that has ever existed in the NFL. A complete and total makeover.
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This why Davis and McK screwed up by not keeping Hue as coach.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:15 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Don’t do it DA. Remember the goal…..to implement “the system”.
The wins will come…in 10 yr’s or so.
Stick to your guns. Who cares about the pesky fans…we don’t matter. It’s all about YOU…and your system…you’ve seen it work.
Winning is secondary and merely a pleasant possible outcome.
Don’t forget that DA.
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TRUTH!!! Could not have said it better!
December 15th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:58 am
someone else calling Mc20 out on his DENIAL and BLIND OPTIMISM. You are truly showing your age and it makes the other young guys like me look bad.
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Really dude ?? I’m optimistic because DA is a d minded coach who could do wonders with some better players on his Side , where as he made a typical mistake most of D minded coaches make in hiring offensive coordinators, which he can fix with upcoming offseason and with obviously way more choices compared to last year when e was hired late January
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Rudegruden already ripped you a new one no need for me to do it also.
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What can anyone expect from Mistic 2, keep talking out of your a$$
December 15th, 2012 at 11:17 am
844.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:14 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:09 am
827.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:57 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:49 am
376.J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
An ILB 3rd overall or higher????
Manti is a one year wonder.
We just drafted an all world LB with a high pick and apparently are regretting it.
Keep it simple and take either Lotuleilei or Moore.
^^^^^^^^
Comparing Te’o to McClain is just waaaaay off base.
But yeah, 3rd overall I woild like to trade down 5 spots and then snatch Te’o to be the new leader and quarterback of a rebuilt defense.
Can Star or Moore be a quaterback and leader or captain of a defense?
Nah.
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Teo is overrated and will be exposed by Bamma, meanwhile Star and Moore are the top rated D players on the draft board slotted to go 1,2 in the draft by Todd Mcshay.
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How is he overrated? hahaha
Have you seen Te’o play?? Have you seen tape of him?
Bama is not going to expose Te’o, if anything Bama may expose the Irish secondary.
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How are they gonna expose him? hmmmm lets see they ran for 300 yards against a much better d in the bulldogs I figure they will run it right down Teo’s throat. And where in the hell was this guy last year? 1 year wonder.
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Yeah and IF Bama does that, that will be ALL Te’o’s fault huh? haha
Te’o will still wind up with 10 tackles and a sack and maybe an INT.
The DLine has responsibility also buddy…it’s a team game!
December 15th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Take a look at Seattle’s top two picks in the last six drafts and you will see that 9 OF THE 12 PICKS WERE TAKEN ON IN THE BOX
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Yeah I remember Seattle taking the LT Okung, thats the way to go.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:19 am
DiKnight the cackling buffoon tell us again how GSW sucks and J Lin is a all-star stud.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:20 am
DJ this is a -good- thing…
After the EMBARRASSMENT associated with the pending 33-9 demolition by the CHEFS…MANY….more people will have witnessed this travesty vs only the the 13,245 people (and 112 Turkey Vultures) at 0.c0 seeing this disaaaaster….
Put the heat on M. Davis I say.
3-13 and its CLEAN HOUSE TIME….
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# DJ Johnny Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
I gotta tell ya, the Raider fans are really something selling out this “toilet bowl” game. Or at least getting to 85%.
I did not expect that at all.
Mark’s got to look out there and say “Man..these fans deserve better”.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Look at the mess DA took over on his side of expertise , n compare to what Hue took over ? 2 time heisman finalist Dmac to build around , give DA Damontre Moore and another guy from edge , we will see what happens, as far as knapp goes all D minded coaches kinda make horrible OC hires , I expect him to pick up some one better like proven guys this time, I wouldn’t mind some one like norv turner if he wants to switch scheme , anybody else would be better than knapp to coach ZBS , thanks for the experience Knapp now go back to coaching backup Qb’s
December 15th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Like I said before the Center is called the Center because every play Centers around him. The Center should just not only hike the ball and call it a day. Traps and schemes evolve around him like no other player. If you have not heard of the Raiders running game this season it is because you have not heard of the center playing his best games. If the center does not keep the right depth after the ball is hiked depending on the play call the play can be doomed from the hike of the ball. I’m am not saying the Raiders Center is a bad player.I actually think he is a decent player but what I am saying is the Raider coaches don’t appears to be asking much from him ,as far as, directing schemes running and passing, influencing encroachement penalties and and identifing defensive scheme to the offensive players. Close to a Jeff Saturday the Raiders center is not be that does not mean he cannot be in the future. Any other takes on this issue?
December 15th, 2012 at 11:22 am
mcfadden20. Says:
What ?? Please tell me you were kidding with me?? I only watched 3 good years 00-01-02 an went through the worst NFL stretch in 7 year period from 03-09 , my heart hasn’t been broken enough?? lmao=======================
If you were a fan when the snow job/tuck rule happened, than that and the SB debacle count as heartbreaks. But watching a team that you know deep down just isn’t that good stink it up on the field is more of dull toothache. One chronic, long lasting toothache.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:23 am
How are they gonna expose him? hmmmm lets see they ran for 300 yards against a much better d in the bulldogs I figure they will run it right down Teo’s throat. And where in the hell was this guy last year? 1 year wonder.
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Yeah and IF Bama does that, that will be ALL Te’o’s fault huh? haha
Te’o will still wind up with 10 tackles and a sack and maybe an INT.
The DLine has responsibility also buddy…it’s a team game!
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thats true but its the lbs job to get in there and stop the run in a 3-4 its the dlines job to soak up the blockers. And he may have 10 tackles most of them being 10 yrds down field lol.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:25 am
I watch so little college football, that during a ND game at my local bar, I had to ask who the LB was.. he stood out that much to me. There was one play in particular where he sniffed out a play and went cross field to break it up and I was thinking… wow.. I have been waiting 3 years for McClain to make even ONE play like that in the NFL.
I doubt McK will be drafting that high to take Te’O (he’s obviously trading down) but I would not be disappointed if it happened.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:25 am
The Knapp presser is a cacophony of contradiction to the point it’s a complete insult to every Raider fan and those with any intelligence whatsoever.
Bleacher Report wrote an article about it and blasted it for what it was.
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Pretty good read, the EXCUSE REGIME
December 15th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Why would you want Te’0 ?? Do you guys watch Raiders game or just look at box scores ??? We can’t even get near a Qb on 3rd and 15 plays unless we blitz and you guys want Te’o or Star?? Smh D Moore 1st rd and B Jenkins DE FSU in 3rd or 4th
December 15th, 2012 at 11:26 am
draft kadeem Carey. 1,200 yard rusher in the ZBS
December 15th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Just quickly re: gun control topic, posting something here I posted elsewhere…
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If we’re seriously discussing ‘gun control’ then it shouldn’t be overtaken by “poor kids, I have a 7 yr old, yes I have a 5 yr old too, yes so do i, we should all hug our kids” pulling heart strings talk….that is trollish.
Of course it’s saddening, etc, but it veers the ‘debate’ off into collecting agreeing voices that ‘there needs to be gun control’. Totally not focusing on the actual discussion.
It’s the same thing the mass media is doing with this topic.
It’s disingenuous, and already ends up a lynchmob mentality of people waving pitchforks ganging up against any dissenting pov, “they’re witches, throw in the river.”
Those plenty who are fighting for the right (and it is a constitutional right worth fighting for) should not be painted as mere yokels. Each right is an element of the totality of citizenship, each attempt to strip people by the govt is an act of constitutional treason…an attempt to create a serf class that has little access to freedoms — to speech, to bear arms, to dissent, to lawful arrest, to private ownership, etc.
Patriot Act et al have already made citizens treated as terrorists in their own country, and furthering the agenda to make it legal to be arrested or assassinated for political dissent.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:30 am
I won’t judge DA until he gets something to work with , not the crap that has been ranked in bottom 5 since 03 , any OC would be better than knapp next year, plus that first rd pick and that legit player we acquire through FA (because we had money to get one ) would put their stamp on the upcoming season
December 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Yeah and IF Bama does that, that will be ALL Te’o’s fault huh? haha
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LOL, making excuses already huh? if you thought he was soooo good you would say Teo would dominate the game and shut down Bama’s run game. But you took the excuse route saying “Yeah and IF Bama does that” LOL You already know whats coming and so does most of the country.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Tuckrule,
We could look at it like a win/win. IF we beat the Chiefs it’ll be a season sweep…and i always enjoy beating them under ANY circumstances…but if we lose…maybe better draft position which we could definitely use.
We could still beat KC and get in the top 2 picks by losing the final 2 games.
This is torture cuz I wouldn’t mind sending Norv to the glue factory with a loss. Uggggh.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:22 am
mcfadden20. Says:
What ?? Please tell me you were kidding with me?? I only watched 3 good years 00-01-02 an went through the worst NFL stretch in 7 year period from 03-09 , my heart hasn’t been broken enough?? lmao=======================
If you were a fan when the snow job/tuck rule happened, than that and the SB debacle count as heartbreaks. But watching a team that you know deep down just isn’t that good stink it up on the field is more of dull toothache. One chronic, long lasting toothache.
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Exactly I forgot about that , I don’t know if I should thank you for reminding me or get mad lmao
December 15th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Bama has nfl ready OL so if they run it all over ND , Te’os stock would still be there
December 15th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Have nice afternoon nation
December 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am
I’m willing to give DA and Reggie another season as long as they don’t bring back Knapp.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Te’o gonna ball out after losing the Heisman!
December 15th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Raider Prediction Board
Dedicated to Al Davis, Raider duct tape (boy does it hold) and the Coliseum rodents
Week 1: Alex7: Chargers 27 Raiders 20 (22/14)
Week 2: R8eray: Dolphins 20 Raiders 13 (35/13)
Week 3: Plunketthead Raiders 30 Steelers 27 (34/31) R
Week 4: Amysincharge: Denver 48-7 (37-6)
Week 5: Klas Tjorborn: Falcons 35 Raiders 20 (23/20)
Week 6: qodrn: Raiders 27 Jags 20 (26/23 OT) R
Week 7: raidermarty/VaRaiderNation Raiders 27 –
Chiefs 17 (26/16) R
Week 8: No Winner.
Week 9: JONGRUDEN2012: Baltimore 47 Oakland 13
Week 10: GG: Saints 45 Raiders 17
Week 11: To be reconstructed when I feel better
Week 12: backstageatapupptshow: Cleveland 27 Oakland 13 – reverse winner – Albert B. Paine 20/17
Week 13: Cork: Denver 33 Raiders 13 (26/13)
December 15th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Bama has nfl ready OL so if they run it all over ND , Te’os stock would still be there
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Not true, great lbs are supposed to be able to fight off olinemen and get to the ball carrier ala Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher. WHEN Teo gets exposed scouts will take that into account because if Bama’s oline can do that to him what will good running teams in the NFL do to him? Stock falls.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Watch Nix on DL for ND baller
December 15th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Bama will run it up the gut so we will see how teo does but I would stay away.
I want linemen. Star or Moore or maybe the bama center or trade back.
Someone else will rise to the top though so we shall see
December 15th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Conneticutt actually has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. Also the school had new security measures both failed.
Need to do a better job monitoring persons with “psych” problems
Need to stop leaving hundreds of kids at one location for target practice. With the internet, kids can do their schoolwork mostly at home.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Where in the hell was Teo his freshman, sophmore, and junior seasons? One year wonder.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:48 am
I like Teo, but somehow I don’t see a Morman leading the Raiders. Just don’t.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Gimme Star Letulei, MLB Georgia, and every DB,CB, and WR you can get your hands on!
December 15th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Well, I suggest many of the DA and Reggie supporters to start to really evaluate your guys the last three games of the years. Look at how they manages the special team play first. It does not take an especially gifted coach to turn a pathetic special team squad into a decent squad. This Raider special squad can be changed from one of the worst to the middle to the pack special team squad on a prudent game plan alone. I remember when The Raiders had gannon as QB if they got the ball close to the thirty yard line if was as good as three point scored. I know it is not even close to that now but if the Raiders do not start in back of their twenty they will not have a disadvantage of giving up good field position to the other teams so often.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Give me Moore or the LT from A&M other than that trade down.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:53 am
The autumn wind is a pirate
Bumbling through the door
His mask askew, he smells of brew
As he hits the field once more
He drops the ball in the end zone,
He holds on every down,
Dennis and Knapp are like Spinal Tap,
A festival of clowns
Third and long? No problem, we’ll run it up the gut
If that won’t work
We’ll hike it in the dirt
And let them block Shane’s punt
Somewhere, Blanda is crying
Tatum rages and shrieks
Our outlook is grim, we sit three and ten
All Hail, the Silver and Bleak
December 15th, 2012 at 11:54 am
GO CHEIFS!
December 15th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Everybody said the Canes speed would expose the Irish. Then it was Oklahoma defense that would be too much for the Irish Oline and on and on.
THE IRISH HAVE AN AVERAGE SECONDARY, NO WIDE RECEIVERS, C+ OFFENSIVE BACKFIELD AND REALLY A TIGHT END IN EIFORT.
THEY WIN BECAUSE THEY CONTROL THE LINES. TE’O IS GOOD BUT HE NEEDS HIS DLINE TO PREVENT THE OLINE FROM GETTING TO THE SECOND LEVEL.
TE’O WOULD BE NEUTRALIZED BEHIND THE RAIDER DLINE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Some ne’er do well like Johnathon Baldwin will have a career day against us this week.
Chiefs 30
Raiders 17
December 15th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Turf Toe Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:53 am
The autumn wind is a pirate
Bumbling through the door
His mask askew, he smells of brew
As he hits the field once more
He drops the ball in the end zone,
He holds on every down,
Dennis and Knapp are like Spinal Tap,
A festival of clowns
Third and long? No problem, we’ll run it up the gut
If that won’t work
We’ll hike it in the dirt
And let them block Shane’s punt
Somewhere, Blanda is crying
Tatum rages and shrieks
Our outlook is grim, we sit three and ten
All Hail, the Silver and Bleak
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Nice.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Just lose baby!
December 15th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
I believe at this point the Raiders need to recruit EVERY player that is proven to be good from the start and maybe then do the Raiders have a chance at being good. I have seen this regime make good player bad!!!I have not seen one player through this coaching staff provide an environment that make the players better. I think this is the trend for this current regime.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Just to veer off topic for a bit…
We drafted Bush a year before McFadden. Bush was a legitimate top college RB before his broken leg, and why we were able to get him in the mid rounds. With a compound fracture, the leg heals stronger than ever.
Bush has had zero injury history in the NFL.
I personally didn’t like McFadden at Arkansas. I liked Felix Jones better as a RB. However, neither I would’ve wanted that year anyway.
We’ve wasted a number of years now on McFadden, who is consistently injury-prone with ankle and foot problems.
Bush unfortunately got all upset when we drafted McFadden, and didn’t want to play FB either. That’s his bad showing that attitude, however, I look back and wonder how things could also be different if we didn’t draft McFadden, Bush became bell-cow (which he has shown the toughness to be).
Megatron not Russell in 2007
But in 2008, who instead of McFadden? Was probably the best year to trade down again and again and hit on a number of studs in the 2nd round.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
883.KoolKell Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Turf Toe Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:53 am
The autumn wind is a pirate
Bumbling through the door
His mask askew, he smells of brew
As he hits the field once more
He drops the ball in the end zone,
He holds on every down,
Dennis and Knapp are like Spinal Tap,
A festival of clowns
Third and long? No problem, we’ll run it up the gut
If that won’t work
We’ll hike it in the dirt
And let them block Shane’s punt
Somewhere, Blanda is crying
Tatum rages and shrieks
Our outlook is grim, we sit three and ten
All Hail, the Silver and Bleak
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Nice.
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like!!
December 15th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
867.rediaR Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am
I’m willing to give DA and Reggie another season as long as they don’t bring back Knapp.
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Notice on Nov 18 when Mark Davis spoke out about his displeasure with the regression of the Raiders:
“I don’t know what the word would be,” Davis said. “I know that we didn’t have the talent, at the beginning of the year, to be a Super Bowl team. I thought that we had definitely potential to get maybe in the playoffs and beat teams in our division. Obviously, that hasn’t happened. I’m not happy. But nobody in this room is.”
Davis said he couldn’t quantify the level of his frustration on a scale of 1 to 10.
“I’m not happy,” he said again. “I’ll put it that way, but why should I be? Why should we be? Why should anyone in this room be? But they’ll fight and fix it.”
Davis was asked if Allen and McKenzie get a pass this year.
“Like I say, I’m patient. I’m patient,” Davis said. “But I want to see progress. I don’t want to see regression. Nobody does. And that’s why I’m unhappy today. But as far as a pass, I wouldn’t call it a pass.
Before Sunday’s game, former Raiders coach Jon Gruden lit the torch honoring the late Al Davis, Mark’s father. Earlier in the year, former Raiders running back Marcus Allen lit the torch. It’s common knowledge that Al Davis was not on good terms with either Gruden or Marcus Allen.
“Maybe some people thought there were unresolved feelings, but (they’re) very close to my mom and myself,” Davis said. “And part of the Raider family. And once a Raider, always a Raider. I’ve had trouble with my dad at times,” he added, laughing. “Once or twice. But it’s fantastic. These people are all part of our family, and love ‘em. It’s a good thing.”
Davis said he’s encouraged by the fact that fans continue support his team.
“Love it. Absolutely love it, but I apologize to them as well,” Davis said. “I’m embarrassed for ‘em. Because they live and die as Raiders fans, and I feel for ‘em, I really do. And we’re gonna get it right. If it’s for anybody, it’s for them.”
Many fans booed his team Sunday, but Davis said he never heard that.
“But I can just feel how they feel, because I feel the same way,” Davis said. “I’m a fan. And I take responsibility for it. Gonna get it right.”
THE KEY HERE IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO PROGRESS UNDER DA. HE BELIEVED WHAT MOST OF US BELIEVED THAT THE RAIDERS WOULD AT LEAST BE IN COMPETITION FOR A PLAYOFF SPOT!
ALL YOU HUE HATERS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL!
WE NEEDED A NEW DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR, CORNERS, AND LINEBACKERS! THE HEAD COACH AND OFFENSE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TOUCHED! HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN A ROOKIE HEADCOACH THAT GOES 8-8, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE LOOKING AT 3-13?
SO FAR BECAUSE OF REGRESSION WE ARE ON COURSE TO GET THAT NEW COACH. TEAMS DONT CRASH LIKE THIS THAT AINT GOT SOME TALENT! LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE 49ERS.
SAME PLAYERS, DIFF COACH (HARBAUGH SINGLETARY) COACHING IS OUR MAIN ISSUE…COACHES UPGRADE WHAT PLAYERS CAN DO…THIS STAFF IS TRASH!!! AND THE REGRESSION WILL CONTINUE.
MCKENZIE WILL FIRE ALLEN! AND ITS THE OWNERS RESPONSIBILTY TO HIRE WHO HE WANTS RUN HIS TEAM.
IF ITS GRUDEN—THEN FINE!!
December 15th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Trade DMAC!!!!!
December 15th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Megatron not Russell in 2007
But in 2008, who instead of McFadden?
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In 2008 I wanted defense so Dorsey, or Mayo. Clady would have been a good pick at OT at the time.
In 2007 I wanted us to trade for Matt Shaub and draft Adrian Peterson… and I have the time dated post to prove it even!
December 15th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
#890…
I believe, unlike others, that Gruden WILL come back here in 2013. The regression HAS continued, and Allen in particular is spiting Mark Davis by toying with Pryor, activating him and promising with a clause “if the situation presents itself” especially wasted three weeks already of getting him acclimated to some live football, and Mark did intimate in that same PC that it was Pryor-time even tho he believed in Palmer, it was ‘time’.
Mark is probably also a little peeved with Reggie, who did not take ‘ownership’ of the November debacle until Mark came out and conducted a PC himself, Reggie should’ve done that but sat on his hands, has very little connect with Raider fans, didn’t care to come out and say something to Raider fans. Plus, in his own PC afterwards, deflected responsibility to Allen re: playing time for the youngsters.
And Reggie can’t completely make financial decisions without consulting Mark. So talk of trading/releasing players like Pryor, DHB, Ford, Moore, Ausberry, Taiwan, would probably irk Mark who isn’t a dummy and would see thru these actions as a Reggie agenda against Al players, not trying to develop them.
I think it’s possible Gruden comes on board as President of Football Operations type of role, as a boss to Reggie. Because Mark trusts Jon more, realizes he has more football acumen than Reggie, and Gruden won’t completely trash a roster like Reggie is focused on.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Ryan Clady in 08…
December 15th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Gdog Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Megatron not Russell in 2007
But in 2008, who instead of McFadden?
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In 2008 I wanted defense so Dorsey, or Mayo. Clady would have been a good pick at OT at the time.
In 2007 I wanted us to trade for Matt Shaub and draft Adrian Peterson… and I have the time dated post to prove it even!
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I believe you. We all had varying wants in past years, that people may challenge us on. But I trust because I know myself I have wanted many players that ended up good players at other clubs.
In 2007 I wanted anyone from Joe Thomas to Calvin Johnson to Adrian Peterson. I didn’t want Quinn and certainly hated Russell, could see all the red flags. I probably leaned more towards Thomas because I’m a huge believer in constantly solidifying the OL/DL.
In 2008, i liked Chris Long, (but he went before our pick), so instead wanted Leodis McKelvin, or Ryan Clady.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
GG Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
#890…
I believe, unlike others, that Gruden WILL come back here in 2013. The regression HAS continued, and Allen in particular is spiting Mark Davis by toying with Pryor, activating him and promising with a clause “if the situation presents itself” especially wasted three weeks already of getting him acclimated to some live football, and Mark did intimate in that same PC that it was Pryor-time even tho he believed in Palmer, it was ‘time’.
Mark is probably also a little peeved with Reggie, who did not take ‘ownership’ of the November debacle until Mark came out and conducted a PC himself, Reggie should’ve done that but sat on his hands, has very little connect with Raider fans, didn’t care to come out and say something to Raider fans. Plus, in his own PC afterwards, deflected responsibility to Allen re: playing time for the youngsters.
And Reggie can’t completely make financial decisions without consulting Mark. So talk of trading/releasing players like Pryor, DHB, Ford, Moore, Ausberry, Taiwan, would probably irk Mark who isn’t a dummy and would see thru these actions as a Reggie agenda against Al players, not trying to develop them.
I think it’s possible Gruden comes on board as President of Football Operations type of role, as a boss to Reggie. Because Mark trusts Jon more, realizes he has more football acumen than Reggie, and Gruden won’t completely trash a roster like Reggie is focused on.
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That’s a pretty far fetched theory. Lol.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
This is another perfect illustration why ALL our coaches must go end of 2012. Why they are behind the curve, lacking innovation and creativity, and a proper sense/care of genuinely developing talent…
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49ers OC learned formation from Kaepernick’s coach
From PFT
San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick throws a pass against the Miami Dolphins during their NFL football game in San Francisco Reuters
Coaches are constantly talking to other coaches, looking for something they can steal.
So when 49ers offensive coordinator Greg Roman was coaching at Stanford, he made the trek to Reno to learn about the “pistol” formation from its master, Chris Ault of Nevada.
Ault had developed the formation in 2004 (a shorter drop than the traditional shotgun formation, with a running back behind the quarterback), and had a skinny legged quarterback named Colin Kapernick running it when Roman dropped by for a visit.
“About three years ago, made the trek to Nevada and visited with him and his staff,” Roman said, via Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com. “That was very valuable time spent. He was very accommodating and it was very interesting as a coach to go really learn something totally new. And he’s a very good football coach. . . . So it was good.”
Watching Kaepernick clearly made an impression. He was the only Division 1 quarterback to throw for 10,000 yards and run for 4,000 in his career.
So they’ve tried to implement some of that into their current offense, which has many fathers. Roman grew up working on George Seifert’s staff in Carolina, and there’s a heavy West Coast Offense element.
But incorporating the “pistol” — the 49ers call it “Q” because they want to keep play calls to one syllable — began in training camp. It can now grow with Kapernick starting, thanks to the time Roman spent with Ault.
“I think you can gain a lot if they’re willing to tell you,” Roman said. “You can gain a lot with an upside, the downside, what other teams do to try to stop it. When they do that, what do you do? Every little nuance. It’s just so much in terms of how you might sequence things, the downside, the upside. And definitely what people have tried to do to combat it or defend it, and then the next logical step for them. So, [it was] great information.”
The fact they’re looking at others puts them ahead of the game. Like Patriots coach Bill Belichick trying to incorporate spread elements he learned from Oregon’s Chip Kelly, the best coaches are the ones who recognize they don’t know it all already, and continue to learn.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
888- absofukenlutely!
December 15th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
#896…
I am not afraid to read into something and predict something ‘left-field’ and stick to my guns, and admit mistake if im proven wrong.
So, come see me in the new year, and rub it in my face or grant me a pat on the back
December 15th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
862.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Yeah and IF Bama does that, that will be ALL Te’o’s fault huh? haha
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LOL, making excuses already huh? if you thought he was soooo good you would say Teo would dominate the game and shut down Bama’s run game. But you took the excuse route saying “Yeah and IF Bama does that” LOL You already know whats coming and so does most of the country.
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Yeah…just say it you think Te’o sucks, but if he was playing for an SEC team..you would love him! haha
December 15th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
qodrn1 Says:
Raider Prediction Board
32-13 Raiders
December 15th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Sista Brown,
The racist moron with no brain.
Hey, tell me again how Mitt Romney is going to turn this country around?? haha
Does anyone really take you seriously??
Bet you don’t have very many friends huh?
Poor baby…cry for me some more! Lol!
December 15th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Ault was wolfpack coach when Frank Hawkins lead the nation and set records as a RB back in the late 70,s
December 15th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Trevor Scott and Kevin Booth playing pretty good. Coaching?
December 15th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
#904
indeed
December 15th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Oh yes, the Raiders coaches and Reggie get a free year? I forgot.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
862.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Yeah and IF Bama does that, that will be ALL Te’o’s fault huh? haha
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LOL, making excuses already huh? if you thought he was soooo good you would say Teo would dominate the game and shut down Bama’s run game. But you took the excuse route saying “Yeah and IF Bama does that” LOL You already know whats coming and so does most of the country.
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Yeah…just say it you think Te’o sucks, but if he was playing for an SEC team..you would love him! haha
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Cant stand SEC, Jarvis Jones and Ogletree were exposed as well by Bama. I’m a Cal Bears fan as well as FSU. Duke fan when it comes to hoops ao I have no ties to the SEC btw I hate Bama cant stand’em.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Mcfadden thinking I believe is, if the Raiders can get the 11 best players in the NFL on offense and the 11 best player in the NFL on defense Reggie and caoch Allen will have a better team. I wonder how long it take him to think this stuff up.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Middle East Idiots chime in on tragic event in CT.
“Iran, other countries horrified by Connecticut massacre!”
Yes because in their countries, they use explosives to kill innocent people.
Prayers to the deceased.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
All those claiming what Mark Davis will or wont do need to stop, we dont even really know the guy to form an opinion on him, hell I didnt even know Al Davis had a son. From what I have seen from his so far he seems like the type not to meddle too much in the football side of the business he showed as much by how he handled the GM search, pretty much just took someones word for it that Reggie was the guy and thats who he hired. I see Mark letting Reggie do whatever he wants as long as things dont get too bad (like two more seasons of this same type of losing) But at the moment I dont see Mark coming down with the hammer like pops did, time will tell what type of owner Mark is at the present time its hard to form an opinion either way.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
They also do inhuman things like cutting the hands off people, stoning them for being gay, cutting clitorus off girls, beheading their daughters if they don’t become prostitutes, etc.
I am sick to death of foreigners speaking for America and American Issues, such as gun control, and the array of consitutional rights. Especially as America was a free colony, who resisted the British empire and that institutionalized serfdom, establishing a plethora of rights to ensure govt is by the people for the people, granting us ability to guard against constitutional treason by govts, and how there is a very real political agenda aiming to strip each part of those rights away in order to establish that serfdom.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
All those claiming what Mark Davis will or wont do need to stop, we dont even really know the guy to form an opinion on him, hell I didnt even know Al Davis had a son. From what I have seen from his so far he seems like the type not to meddle too much in the football side of the busin…………….
sup nation. i didnt know he had a son either.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
from eastoaklandsiders post..
December 15th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
hopefully mark leave the football to the football people..and keep em in oakland.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
man we need geno smith..
December 15th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
#910…
So you tell me I need to stop suggesting/reasoning what Mark will or wont do….and then you proceed to tell me what Mark will and won’t do :-p
I shouldn’t be told to “stop” just like I wouldn’t tell you to “stop”.
I grant you your pov why you think Mark will not intervene, why you think he will be okay with another 2 years of embarrassment.
But I rightfully disagree. Mark in his PC has already shown he will not stand by idly being ok with an embarrassment, that he now feels he truly owns it, committed to fixing it, and has especially highlighted the CONNECT he has with Raider Nation, how he wants to make it a winner FOR US, how he FEELS our hurt.
All things I might add that Reggie has not once stated, does not feel that connect.
Mark I am reasoning wants people who are part of the family, have a real connect. Types like Jon Gruden, for instance.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
amazing game. Those AZ WR’s catch everything
December 15th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Oh, I have an opinion of Mark and it is not favorable. What Mark Knew is the Raiders were close to the playoff and he chose to give that all up for some sweet talking unknowns when it came to a GM and Head coach. How do you give up something that you knew for something unknown at such a critical time. If Hue did a Norv Turner and took the team from an 8-8 or 7-9 to an 4-12 season I can see wholesale changes.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Guns are not going anywhere. Arm the schools,its their right to protect theses kids too.If just one staff member was trained and armed it would have saved some of these innocent kids.Just one,and it would all be worth it.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
#918…
Yep, Mark fvcked up. No doubt. But, we all make mistakes. He finally feels like he owns it now, and he’s said so many right/good things this year, especially that PC, I will judge him going forward, not backward.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
What can geno smith do that terrel pryor cant?
December 15th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
We gotta start re-focusing on building the lines. That means you invest from the 1st round onwards. Not wasting picks on sexy players and leaving it all to a couple late rounders.
LT, Center and RT have to be drafted next year.
Moving to a 3-4 is for the best too.
Thus, NT and more OLB/DE and ILB draftees.
Can leave CB, S, to FA. Trade Branch tho for extra picks. Can live with Huff, Mitchell.
Don’t need QB with Leinart-Pryor a better cheaper way forward with Palmer used for extra picks.
Don’t need RB, with McFadden, Goodson, Taiwan, Stewart, Reece all capable, and McFadden again used for extra picks.
Can trade or release Kelly, Seymour. Trade Shaughnessy for an extra pick. Move Houston and Bryant to 3-4 DEs.
I’d persist with McClain by thus putting him in a more conducive 3-4.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
What a numb-skull. Guns don’t make anyone safe. They prevent people from taking advantage of you. Only the disarmed are unsafe.
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KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
If guns made us safe, we’d be the safest country in the world, wouldn’t we?
December 15th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Adam Lanza, shooter
https://www.google.com/search?q=adam+lanza&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=EfXMUMDmFML1iwLZhIHYCw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=672#biv=i|14;d|oeNwJlCqkzsTVM:
December 15th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
What a numb-skull. Guns don’t make anyone safe. They prevent people from taking advantage of you. Only the disarmed are unsafe.
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I guess we’d better start arming the 5 yr olds then.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
What a numb-skull. Guns don’t make anyone safe. They prevent people from taking advantage of you. Only the disarmed are unsafe.
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KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
If guns made us safe, we’d be the safest country in the world, wouldn’t we?
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We are the safest country in the world. There is a reason no other country will ever invade American soil with ground troops. We are too well armed. Chicago has the strictest gun laws in America – and the most gun violence.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Adam Lanza,..F`n white people…they suck.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
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We are the safest country in the world. There is a reason no other country will ever invade American soil with ground troops. We are too well armed. Chicago has the strictest gun laws in America – and the most gun violence.
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Get a clue dumbass
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
December 15th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Yes,stop the sexy stuff as you put it.The Raiders did not have to put emphesis back on the 0-line a year ago but now they do. Thanks,to the new regime. D- line primary concern on defense. The line backer with Wheeler and the Rookie are solid. The #3 line backer up for grabs.Stick so hard nose DB’s back there. There are a few fluff job backs there in the DB group and the toughness that good coaches ask from DB’s will not come from these few players.Good coaches would weed them out!!!
December 15th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Adam Lanza,..F`n white people…they suck.
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No, you suck
December 15th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
A culture of death devoid of morals
I blame in no particuler order
Hollywoods violent movies
Actors/actresses that appear in them.
Killer shooter video games.
drugs for children like ritilan and SSRI’s
the doctors who prescribe them
school officials who let the killer in the locked doors
December 15th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
GG Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
#910…
So you tell me I need to stop suggesting/reasoning what Mark will or wont do….and then you proceed to tell me what Mark will and won’t do :-p
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Either you didnt read the post thoroughly or you have bad comprehension skills. I didnt take a definitive stance either way just said what I THOUGHT or how it SEEMED to me. What you were doing was talking like you have known Mark Davis the owner for years, anf you know the moves he will make. Talk is cheap so me some action.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
#929
Good post.
There certainly is contention with the LBs and DBs.
I personally would switch to 3-4 and make the most of our existing suitable Houston and Bryant as ends, and thus needing just a bullwark NT.
The LBs then in a 3-4 would need some work. Need specialist OLB/DE pass-rushing types, Wheeler ILB with McClain or Gaither, Burris one spot on the outside asked to blitz more, so just one OLB/DE type needed.
CB needs work. But with so many OL/DL/LB pieces required, at most we could draft 1 CB early-mid rounds, and just fly with Huff-Mitchell at Safety.
But if we stick to the 4-3, then it changes the draft board a bit.
However, we agree essentially
December 15th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Take away guns and this evil satanic SOB would have found another way to kill innocents.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Mark in his PC has already shown he will not stand by idly being ok with an embarrassment
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Mark did nothing but give lip service, who got fired? anybody demoted? Mark hasnt shown shcit.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
#932…
Didn’t you notice the :p i put there?
I wasn’t really having a go at you. Just highlighting what i thought funny.
However, I never once intimated I knew Mark, etc. Just me putting down a very logical and reasoned case together why i THINK Mark will do what I said.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
The me, me ,me fk you culture
December 15th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Take away guns and this evil satanic SOB would have found another way to kill innocents.
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It’s a lot harder to kill a bunch of people without guns
December 15th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Guns are made for killing. I know you repugnants have a problem with science, math and facts but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
December 15th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
#928…
Try this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_guns_and_homicide
December 15th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Mark is probably also a little peeved with Reggie, who did not take ‘ownership’ of the November debacle until Mark came out and conducted a PC himself, Reggie should’ve done that but sat on his hands, has very little connect with Raider fans, didn’t care to come out and say something to Raider fans. Plus, in his own PC afterwards, deflected responsibility to Allen re: playing time for the youngsters.
And Reggie can’t completely make financial decisions without consulting Mark. So talk of trading/releasing players like Pryor, DHB, Ford, Moore, Ausberry, Taiwan, would probably irk Mark who isn’t a dummy and would see thru these actions as a Reggie agenda against Al players, not trying to develop them.
I think it’s possible Gruden comes on board as President of Football Operations type of role, as a boss to Reggie. Because Mark trusts Jon more, realizes he has more football acumen than Reggie, and Gruden won’t completely trash a roster like Reggie is focused on.
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sounds like you think you know him to me.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Just me putting down a very logical and reasoned case together why i THINK Mark will do what I said.
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What you keep writing down isn’t logical or reasoned,just your wishes.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
We’re not shooting burglars, secret govt agents, black helicopters, foreign terrorists. We’re shooting each other.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
#942..
Says you.
I says it is.
Me > you
Until proven wrong
Then I can admit error humbly
But it wont stop me predicting and reading more left-field things :p
December 15th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
It’s time for America to join the civilized world. Pass some strict gun laws.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
902.2romes Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Trevor Scott and Kevin Booth playing pretty good. Coaching?
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So are Stevie Brown(giants) and Chris Clemons(seahawks)
December 15th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Mark is probably also a little peeved
And Reggie can’t completely make financial decisions without consulting Mark.So talk of trading/releasing players like Pryor, DHB, Ford, Moore, Ausberry, Taiwan, would probably irk Mark who isn’t a dummy and would see thru these actions as a Reggie agenda against Al players
Because Mark trusts Jon more, realizes he has more football acumen than Reggie,
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do these comments not sound like someone who thinks they know Mark Davis?
December 15th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
#941…
You must have comprehension skill problems
:p
^ see the :p ?
December 15th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Left and Eastoakland, like I said before…see me in 2013, after stuff happens or not, and either rub it in my face and I’ll acknowledge error….or….pat me on the back and laud my powers of deduction from piecing bits and pieces together.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
KK,go to some of the Yahoo articles and read the comments.Very telling.They show the mindset of so many that fosters tragedies like yesterday.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Where would Green Bay be if Rodgers wouldnt have fell in their laps a few years ago? doubt they would have won a SB and may have even been back to being a doormat before the Favre era. So for everyone who thinks Reggie is hot schit be aware of the fact Green Bay had HOF QB’s back to back and who know how much of a role Reggie played in that. Just sayn, Dont, in the words of Dennis Green “crown his ass” yet.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
KK…How about we stop shoving antidepressants down the throats of our boys turning them into monsters? Europe has school shootings also and their gun laws are much tougher….Every school shooter has been on antidepressants. What do we do when they start using cars to kill as many as they can? Guess we will do as we do now and stay the guilty nation that is horrible in the way it deals with mental illness and let morons pass out meds like they are candy.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
GG Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
#941…
You must have comprehension skill problems
:p
^ see the :p ?
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Sorry dont speak cpu.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
We live in one of the best,if not THE best,countries in the world yet there is so much hate.Even after a tragedy like yesterday half the comments are hateful comments and they aren’t directed towards the shooter.The same thing constantly happens on here.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Guns are not going anywhere. Arm the schools,its their right to protect theses kids too.If just one staff member was trained and armed it would have saved some of these innocent kids.Just one,and it would all be worth it.
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agreed
December 15th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Where would Green Bay be if Rodgers wouldnt have fell in their laps a few years ago? doubt they would have won a SB and may have even been back to being a doormat before the Favre era. So for everyone who thinks Reggie is hot schit be aware of the fact Green Bay had HOF QB’s back to back and who know how much of a role Reggie played in that. Just sayn, Dont, in the words of Dennis Green “crown his ass” yet.
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Exactly, and I would like to add they were looking to trade him to us for Randy Moss.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Does that mean you won’t protect a five-year old? Figures.
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KoolKell Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
What a numb-skull. Guns don’t make anyone safe. They prevent people from taking advantage of you. Only the disarmed are unsafe.
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I guess we’d better start arming the 5 yr olds then.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
GG Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
They also do inhuman things like cutting the hands off people, stoning them for being gay, cutting clitorus off girls, beheading their daughters if they don’t become prostitutes, etc.
I am sick to death of foreigners speaking for America and American Issues, such as gun control, and the array of consitutional rights. Especially as America was a free colony, who resisted the British empire and that institutionalized serfdom, establishing a plethora of rights to ensure govt is by the people for the people, granting us ability to guard against constitutional treason by govts, and how there is a very real political agenda aiming to strip each part of those rights away in order to establish that serfdom.
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True, but we have no problem meddling in their affairs.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Oh yeah Cork no way this game sells out! LOL!
December 15th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
With the help of the new collective bargaining agreement! LOL!
December 15th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
His dad made big bucks
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
And he lived in luxury.
Lanza was living with his devoted mother, Nancy, in the family’s four-bedroom, 3,100-square-foot estate.
Nancy Lanza divorced Adam’s father, Peter, in 2008. Peter Lanza, now a vice president of taxes for GE Energy Financial Services, agreed to annual alimony payments that started at $240,000 and would have reached $298,800 in 2015.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Cant believe I am actually hoping we lose, I must REALLY dislike this coaching staff. Only way I would want us to win is if they started Pryor.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Cant wait to see Johnny Football in the pro’s he has already won me over by beating Bama, and the fact that Mistic says he wont be a legit QB because of arm strength only makes me root for the kid harder. Johnny passes my eyeball test hands down so far, but next year will be an even bigger challenge for him as the bullseye will be on his back, just seems to me that he has that IT factor. I see him as a faster Drew Brees and thats pretty scary when you think about it.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
#958…
That is our Govt to blame. We the people were always not interested in foreign affairs, involving in foreign wars, etc. But the bankers/corporates and politicians usurping more and more power are to blame for the evils off-shore and on-shore. The money/resource grab. We have created far too many enemies with our foreign policies and political assassinations/meddling, sponsoring and creating militia groups, flooding their markets with guns, etc, since post-WW2. That’s where we really erred as a nation, embracing the fallen Nazis onwards.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
GG Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
#941…
You must have comprehension skill problems
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^ see the :p ?
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Sorry dont speak cpu.
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Well, you’re communicating back and forth thru a CPU so you better start learning, Jack
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^ there’s that indicator again i’m being tongue-in-cheek
December 15th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
#962…I completely agree…I’m just waiting for the revolution.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
America doesnt have a gun problem it has a people problem. Look at our society, we embrace sex and violence, are schooling is lower than most Nations, Minorities kill each other over senseless gang violence, white folks go on killing sprees when their perfect suburban lifes start to face adversity, and all this in a country that is much more well off than most. We as a Nation have let most of our Morals go and dont seem to care. What would some of our parents and grand parents think if they were still alive today? Probably rolling over in their graves with all this nonsense that goes on today. It all leads me back to Revelations where it states that in the last days the world will become like how it is and will only get worse, no matter the prez, congress, or whoever, this world as we know it is doomed. It may not be what you wanna hear but just look at the track record of this world and tell me its not getting worse decade by decade.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Also, why draft a slow MLB from Notre Dame(rather have the NT) when we can get the Whiners’ backup MLB?
December 15th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
#967
Good post.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Also, why draft a slow MLB from Notre Dame(rather have the NT) when we can get the Whiners’ backup MLB?
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Yeah 9ers wont be able to pay all those Lbs on their D.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
GG Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
#967
Good post.
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You are post 967
December 15th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Johnny football is real small as well. I see Troy smith when I look at him. I doubt he mounts to much in the nfl as well. Tp6 is better imo, he can do all the same things with his legs but is bigger stronger and better with a liver arm…
December 15th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Post 968 ive been yellin larry grant 2013 for the longest now. Lol
December 15th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
#971
No, you are post #967. I was post #969
Perhaps in your computer there are ‘posts waiting for moderation’ making those numbers different.
But the good post was intended for you soap-box post about the woes of the modern world.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Cant believe I am actually hoping we lose, I must REALLY dislike this coaching staff. Only way I would want us to win is if they started Pryor.
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You have it backwards. They should start Pryor so they make sure they lose. CP might light up the Chiefs.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
#962…I completely agree…I’m just waiting for the revolution.
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As well as we all should be!! It is nearer than people realize that’s why they want our weapons.
As long as the police and the Government have assault rifles and other such weapons “we the people should have access to them also”!!!
My opinion not interested in debating the issue.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Gdog Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Cant believe I am actually hoping we lose, I must REALLY dislike this coaching staff. Only way I would want us to win is if they started Pryor.
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You have it backwards. They should start Pryor so they make sure they lose. CP might light up the Chiefs.
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what I meant was if Pryor started I would want him to play well and win the game so we could get our own little qb controversy started.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
#977 yep agree.
I cannot stand this attitude of let’s keep losing or it’s okay to lose to get a higher draft pick. You draft geeks, or this draftnik attitude is un-Raiderlike. Teams picking in the late 20’s+ don’t have a problem upgrading their rosters, getting good players etc. Sure, they are often teams with not as many holes to fill as bottom-feeders. But be sure that every team has holes, and talent is there right thru from 1st round to UDFA.
It’s always preferable to win, and in THIS situation, much better to have Pryor play more and win games or look better than Palmer, and not have to worry about looking for a franchise QB blowing a high pick on a sexy player when we need to invest more into the lines.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
And that is why btw, Allen and Reggie are suspiciously-motivated if they do not properly focus on Pryor from here on out, including starting a whole game. It will show they are more interested in wiping the roster of Al players, not even giving them a chance, to draft their own.
And don’t give me this “they see what they see in practice” BS. As i’ve said often, and as Reggie even backed up, saying i need to see him in a game to properly evaluate him.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I definetley get the impression that the coaching staff has no interest in giving TP a legit shot to show what he can/can’t do on the field. Out with the old in with the new I guess.
I have to say at this point TP might as well start, what’s the worst that could happen? Maybe a higher draft pick.
Carson #’s will look good on paper 20 years from now but that’ it.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
*Carson’s #’s will look good on paper 20 years from now but that’s it.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
We live in one of the best,if not THE best,countries in the world yet there is so much hate.Even after a tragedy like yesterday half the comments are hateful comments and they aren’t directed towards the shooter.The same thing constantly happens on here.
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Lefty12 I haven’t gone to yahoo and I noticed the same thing in here. We started fighting instead of mourning murdered children. The why’s and wherefores all can be discussed at the proper time. We know guns don’t kill people becasue people were killing each other long before guns were invented but GUNS make it easier to kill. That is the real issue.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Especially certain types of guns.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
what I meant was if Pryor started I would want him to play well and win the game so we could get our own little qb controversy started.
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Dream on.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I definetley get the impression that the coaching staff has no interest in giving TP a legit shot to show what he can/can’t do on the field. Out with the old in with the new I guess.
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I’m convinced that the only reason we never see different talent on the offensive side of the field (Ausberry, Pryor, etc) is because nobody knows what they are doing. Hell, they have used Reese as an after-thought the entire season… until they were forced to use him due to injuries. Now he is back to being an after-thought again.
Allen and Tarver need better players on defense… we all knew that.
I am convinced we will never know what is wrong with the offense until Knapp is gone. Hopefully in about a month!
December 15th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
A culture of death devoid of morals
I blame in no particuler order
Hollywoods violent movies
Actors/actresses that appear in them.
Killer shooter video games.
drugs for children like ritilan and SSRI’s
the doctors who prescribe them
school officials who let the killer in the locked doors
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People around the world consume much of the same media as we do here. The movies you are talking about are distributed globally and don’t seem to have much of an effect. Violent video games, if anything, have been correlated to reductions in real world violence in people.
Medications are complicated issue. It’s not black and white, drugs are bad/good. The real issue is there needs to be individual attention given to people who show signs of a serious problem. And the people who give that attention need to be qualified and care enough to make proper decisions and adjustments. There is no blanket cure. People want a psychological imbalance vaccine and sometimes treat the drugs like they are. Psychology and generally dealing with the makeup of the human brain is in it’s infancy. I would go on about psychology and my opinions derived from higher populations reducing connectivity to society as an individual, but this is an Oakland Raider blog and I really came here to say “Fire Greg Knapp” again.
December 15th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn
This is what will happen if we let it.
I aint gonna let it!!!
Alreday got a hiding place picked out.
December 15th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Gdog Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I definetley get the impression that the coaching staff has no interest in giving TP a legit shot to show what he can/can’t do on the field. Out with the old in with the new I guess.
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I’m convinced that the only reason we never see different talent on the offensive side of the field (Ausberry, Pryor, etc) is because nobody knows what they are doing. Hell, they have used Reese as an after-thought the entire season… until they were forced to use him due to injuries. Now he is back to being an after-thought again.
Allen and Tarver need better players on defense… we all knew that.
I am convinced we will never know what is wrong with the offense until Knapp is gone. Hopefully in about a month!
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What has gone on with Reece this year makes it hard for me to trust personnel decisions of the this staff.
December 15th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
What has gone on with Reece this year makes it hard for me to trust personnel decisions of the this staff.
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Actually it started long before the season began. It’s takes all the pieces to fit together just right, but our problem is the staff does not know how to fit the pieces. Embrace the misery and long suffering. Get good with it.
December 15th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
This is a little piece of an article by Morgan Freeman.
“You can help by forgetting you ever read this man’s name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem.”
December 15th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Reggie McKenzie was a sought after GM. I remember when all the GM searches were going down that Bears fans and media were hoping to get Reggie from GB.
Bears did not want him because they were in rebuild mode and would have come out w/ pitchforks if Reggie would’ve come and said “Hey..i’m a rookie GM. If we suck, that’s the reason. I’m gonna need alot of patience and understanding as we go thru this acclimation period”.
Nope. They wanted Reggie cuz he was seen as someone who could elevate the team IMMEDIATELY in the wake of dismissing GM Jerry Angelo. Now that he’s here in Oakland, we hear a ton of excuses as to why we shouldn’t expect anything out of him. “He’s a rookie GM…what do u expect…he’ll get it right. Just give him some time”.
Reggie was brought in and took over an 8-8 team and there was no talk of “rebuild” or anything else. I get we have plenty of excuses…valid ones..we can give him; and we do, but he wasn’t seen around the league as someone who was gonna have to “get his bearings” before doing anything significant.
December 15th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Get yo mind right. Misery is here for at least one more year. Embrace the misery and woe. These are not the Raiders of glory days past. We are a directionless ship in search of identity. Wash this club in hot water and bleach, but it won’t breed winning. Embrace the pain and torment. We are plagued. Misery and woe, woe be unto this team. Wailing and gnashing of teeth, we be Raider fans. It is what we are. Miserable. Get your mind right with that.
December 15th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I love how so many act like this misery thing is just now happening and is the fault of the new GM and the coaches he’s hired.Any long time fan should acknowledge they’ve been miserable for at least the last 10 years,it didn’t just happen.
December 15th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Truth 991
It seems to hurt a little more this year, I was really expecting us to bring in DelRio or someone like him fix the D and compete for the west title.
OD’d on the KOOL_AID
December 15th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
I like pain.
December 15th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I love how so many act like this misery thing is just now happening and is the fault of the new GM and the coaches he’s hired.Any long time fan should acknowledge they’ve been miserable for at least the last 10 years,it didn’t just happen.
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I have to say I was not miserable the past two seasons before this one. I was very disappointed we lost that last game to SD though but was optimistic about this season.
Now…back to misery.
3-10 and getting blasted and embarrassed every week will do that.
December 15th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
This is a little piece of an article by Morgan Freeman.
“You can help by forgetting you ever read this man’s name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem.”
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There it is. Wise words by a talented man.
Gun control will NOT take guns out of criminals’ hands. It WILL take guns out of responsible people’s hands. Advatage: BAD GUYS
We have this ridiculous war on illegal drugs. Has it helped anything? Drugs are illegal, but has it stopped the problem? In fact, we’d be better off if some of the less harmful drugs were legalized.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Another thing about Knapp is EVERY SINGLE interview/presser he does he never fails to toot his own horn as to where he’s been before gracing us with his championship presence in Oakland.
I defy anyone to find one interview where he fails to mention his time with the Houston Texans. I don’t recall any other coach who does that. It reeks of insecurity.
Now, in his latest twisted diatribe of falsehoods and halftruths he gives us: “I was in San Francisco for nine years when they were finishing up the run of five Super Bowls”.
EVERY DAMN TIME he’s interviewed we hear about his time in Houston and/or SF.
This guy is constantly trying to validate himself. When u have to cosntantly name drop like he does…and I mean CONSTANTLY you come off like a pathetic, insecure douche.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Another thing about Knapp is EVERY SINGLE interview/presser he does he never fails to toot his own horn as to where he’s been before gracing us with his championship presence in Oakland.
I defy anyone to find one interview where he fails to mention his time with the Houston Texans. I don’t recall any other coach who does that. It reeks of insecurity.
Now, in his latest twisted diatribe of falsehoods and halftruths he gives us: “I was in San Francisco for nine years when they were finishing up the run of five Super Bowls”.
EVERY DAMN TIME he’s interviewed we hear about his time in Houston and/or SF.
This guy is constantly trying to validate himself. When u have to cosntantly name drop like he does…and I mean CONSTANTLY you come off like a pathetic, insecure douche.
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Exactly. He’s a used car salesman, what can you say. Show that greasy headed moron the door already. He’s poisoned this team twice now.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
We have this ridiculous war on illegal drugs. Has it helped anything? Drugs are illegal, but has it stopped the problem? In fact, we’d be better off if some of the less harmful drugs were legalized.\———-========================
Now the big obstacle is prisons for profit. The privitized system is the biggest obstacle to legalizing “pot”
December 15th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Funny, he even admitted he knows not how to adapt his offense to the skills of his players with the comment that ‘you teach what you know’
December 15th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Also, why draft a slow MLB from Notre Dame(rather have the NT) when we can get the Whiners’ backup MLB?
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Yeah 9ers wont be able to pay all those Lbs on their D.
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I like Star, but he is still a one dimensional two gapper NT who might not not be on the field on 3rd downs. Too high to take a big two gap NT with a top 3 pick.
I like a stud LB or a stud pass rusher or a can’t miss QB within the top 3.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
I’ve read on many occasions that DA is a firm believer in the ZBS. I also read on here many times that Knapp was DAs third choice for OC. Well it begs the question: who were the other two ZBS experts DA wanted?
Now if the first two options were not ZBS guys then it means DA is really not all that high on the ZBS and therefore knapp could really be in trouble an Reggie and DA just not tipping their hand.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Sorry,DJ,but I was more miserable last year.We had everything in our control-false hope if you will.We should have won the division.This year as soon as the donkeys signed Payton we were toast.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Whoever wants to buy a gun legally should go through a full pshchological evaluation….period. They will also pay for the evaluation.
If they fail, they are put on a list and they can’t get revaluated for 5 years.
If they are caught with a weapon illegally, then they go to jail for 5 years.
Yes, we have the right to bear arms…..but not to the ones who are not mentally fit to own one.
Over half of you yahoos would not be able to buy a gun legally with the full psychological evaluation.
That Lanzas mother had mental issues herself, if she had 3 guns and took a mentally ill kid to the gun range and kept guns accessible to her mentally ill child?? Sick….
December 15th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Funny, he even admitted he knows not how to adapt his offense to the skills of his players with the comment that ‘you teach what you know’
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..and DA fails to distance himself from this self-aggrandizing, name dropping, inseure doofus.
Notice too how he conveniently forgets to mention that he was only the QB coach in Houston when he takes credit for their offense.
He thinks we’re so stupid and gullible that we don’t even know that.
“I just came over from a little team called the Houston Texans. Maybe you’ve heard of them. Ever heard of a guy named Matt Schaub or Arian Foster?”.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Sorry,DJ,but I was more miserable last year.We had everything in our control-false hope if you will.We should have won the division.This year as soon as the donkeys signed Payton we were toast
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Last year hurt yes…..but Davis and McK made the wrong move by getting rid of Hue after only one season, where Hue overcame alot of adversity to get us to within one game of playoffs, despite having a crappy DC and losing his starting QB and stud RB for half the season.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
504-We are running a combination of blocking schemes.DA said early that you can’t run just one system-offense or defense-and be successful.I agree.You need to do a little of everything.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
DKnight007, I agree on the psychological evaluation. I can get behind that and think it’s a great way to reduce some of these issues.
My point is you can’t take the right to bear arms and defend your family away from responsible people.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Funny, he even admitted he knows not how to adapt his offense to the skills of his players with the comment that ‘you teach what you know’
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..and DA fails to distance himself from this self-aggrandizing, name dropping, inseure doofus.
Notice too how he conveniently forgets to mention that he was only the QB coach in Houston when he takes credit for their offense.
He thinks we’re so stupid and gullible that we don’t even know that.
“I just came over from a little team called the Houston Texans. Maybe you’ve heard of them. Ever heard of a guy named Matt Schaub or Arian Foster?”.
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Yeah, the idiot Knapp acts like he was the reason the Texans were good. haha
December 15th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Screw it. I should go out and buy a “I love Greg Knapp” t-shirt and wear it proudly.
Embrace the pain like Burton Guster says.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Hue is gone-history.Quit living in the past.If,If,If.I’m sick of ifs.Live in the now.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Mark was at Hue’s last presser and was intimidated by how Hue came off. Then when he hired Reggie he showed him the tape and Reggie got scared too. So they fired Hue. Felt like he was a threat.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
DJ, it’s clear Knapp is a condescending a$$wipe. Slicked-back hair, I did this, I did that….slimy used car salesman.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I love how so many act like this misery thing is just now happening and is the fault of the new GM and the coaches he’s hired.Any long time fan should acknowledge they’ve been miserable for at least the last 10 years,it didn’t just happen.
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I have to say I was not miserable the past two seasons before this one. I was very disappointed we lost that last game to SD though but was optimistic about this season.
Now…back to misery.
3-10 and getting blasted and embarrassed every week will do that.
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I totally agree!! the Raiders were competitive until the last regular season game. Now less than half way in this season there was really no hope for the Raiders other than not getting blown out every game and they could not even stop that from happening.A 9-7 record gets some teams in the playoff.Remember 9-7 teams have won the Superbowl. The Raiders were closer to a superbowl run than some of you think!!!!!!!! I am more upset about Mark taking away that possibilty than excited about a tear down and rebuild organization.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Bring in Gannon for OC next year. QBs report to work 5:30 am and card table gets tossed in trash pile right on top of Knapps head.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
504-We are running a combination of blocking schemes.DA said early that you can’t run just one system-offense or defense-and be successful.I agree.You need to do a little of everything.
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We don’t run multiple anything.
Just ZBS system crap and then base 4-3 crap.
DA showed me enough when he hired crappy assistant coaches.
Even Big Wiz knew there was a problem and he left.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Screw it. I should go out and buy a “I love Greg Knapp” t-shirt and wear it proudly.
Embrace the pain like Burton Guster says.
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Didn’t know they made’em…where can I get me one?
December 15th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
1012, TSR, I’d have alot more respect for him if he just said ‘Hey, were having a bad season period. DA hired me to do this zbs thing and i’m doing the best I can. I wish we had better results but so far my play calling and my teaching of this scheme has obviously come up short’.
Knapp is what he is.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
2romes Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I love how so many act like this misery thing is just now happening and is the fault of the new GM and the coaches he’s hired.Any long time fan should acknowledge they’ve been miserable for at least the last 10 years,it didn’t just happen.
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I have to say I was not miserable the past two seasons before this one. I was very disappointed we lost that last game to SD though but was optimistic about this season.
Now…back to misery.
3-10 and getting blasted and embarrassed every week will do that.
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I totally agree!! the Raiders were competitive until the last regular season game. Now less than half way in this season there was really no hope for the Raiders other than not getting blown out every game and they could not even stop that from happening.A 9-7 record gets some teams in the playoff.Remember 9-7 teams have won the Superbowl. The Raiders were closer to a superbowl run than some of you think!!!!!!!! I am more upset about Mark taking away that possibilty than excited about a tear down and rebuild organization.
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Yep. Bad decisions by Mark, Reggie and DA.
Bad….bad….bad all around!
December 15th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Yeah, the Hue haters just don’t like hearing how WRONG they were! Lol!
It attacks their credibility.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
r8eray Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Screw it. I should go out and buy a “I love Greg Knapp” t-shirt and wear it proudly.
Embrace the pain like Burton Guster says.
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Didn’t know they made’em…where can I get me one?
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I’ll let you know as soon as i find one.
Hopefully they’ll have one that says ‘Hey, let’s have a little bit bit of perspective here for a minute’ as well. With his smiling face on the front.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
2romes-I understand where you are coming from,but to me knowing we could have and should have won the division last year and failing to do so hurts more than getting beat weekly knowing the opponent is better.Once PM signed with the Donkeys we were toast.It hurts to say it but they are a much better team than we are.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Donaire is gonna smash arce…
December 15th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Instead of “Committment to Exellence” banner we need: “Patience and Perspective”.
The announcers would see it and say “Hey, there’s an interesting banner. You can tell these Raider fans are embracing everything Greg Knapp has brought to the table. It may take 5 yr’s of his system to be in place, and hopefully get lucky and get an undrafted free agent to fall in their lap before they can win maybe 6 or 7 games, but these fans know that with Greg Knapp, they’re on the right track.”
“Ok, we’ll be right back with the 4th quarter. The score is Kansas City 68 the Raiders 3.”
December 15th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
007-come on man.Resorting to comments like “the Hue haters” is ridiculous.Anyone who believes we would have competed with the donkeys with Maning there is in denial.We aren’t as good as they are.Look at the facts and free yourselves.BTW,we do run multiple blocking systems and multiple defensive systems.If you don’t know that you obviously aren’t as smart as you think you are.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Instead of “Committment to Exellence” banner we need: “Patience and Perspective”.
The announcers would see it and say “Hey, there’s an interesting banner. You can tell these Raider fans are embracing everything Greg Knapp has brought to the table. It may take 5 yr’s of his system to be in place, and hopefully get lucky and get an undrafted free agent to fall in their lap before they can win maybe 6 or 7 games, but these fans know that with Greg Knapp, they’re on the right track.”
“Ok, we’ll be right back with the 4th quarter. The score is Kansas City 68 the Raiders 3.”
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I honestly believe it would need to be a major blow out for us to see a coaching change…I sure hope you’re right!
We’re #1…#1 in the 2013 NFL Draft!!
December 15th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
007-come on man.Resorting to comments like “the Hue haters” is ridiculous.Anyone who believes we would have competed with the donkeys with Maning there is in denial.We aren’t as good as they are.Look at the facts and free yourselves.BTW,we do run multiple blocking systems and multiple defensive systems.If you don’t know that you obviously aren’t as smart as you think you are.
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how do you know we wouldnt have been able to compete with Den this year had Hue kept his job and our O in tact? how do you know our O wouldnt have gotten better and improved on last years numbers? how do you know Hue wouldnt have hired a proven DC that would have been able to at least play middle of the pack defense? to many unknowns for you to make that statement. You truly are a Hue Hater!!!
December 15th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
On another note.. this deserves to be told.. even
This is Victoria Soto.. She was a true hero in every sense of the word. Victoria Soto, 27, first-grade teacher. This is Victoria. She died a hero today. She hid her first graders in the cabinets and closets as many as she could after hearing the gunfire. When the shooter came to her classroom, she told him that her students were in the gym. He then gunned her down and moved on. She saved the lives of all of her students.
As the shooter entered Room 10, a first-grade classroom, teacher Vicki Leigh Soto tried to shield her students, her cousin Jim Wiltsie told the Wall Street Journal.
“That is how she was found. Huddled with her children,” Wiltsie said.
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December 15th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
As a long time Raider fan all I have to say is I hope with everything in me you guys are disappointed and we win 2 of our last 3 or even 3 of 3.I never want my team to lose and to be honest I can’t understand any fan of any team wishing for their team to lose.You WHINE about the coaches but wanting to lose is worse than anything they could ever do.Just my opinion.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Carson Palmer and DMAC in Hues scheme is what the Nation was robbed of seeing, Lefty and other Hue haters cannot or will not recognize this. Wiz and Veldeer under Hues scheme was a great thing to watch so was Moore and Ford, hell he even made Barnes look serviceable. But how quickly we become haters err, forget.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
1-4 when it counted and you think we could have beaten Denver.Go ahead and live in your fantasy world.Hue was a good OC,he wasn’t a magician.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
BTW,please do me a favor and skip anything I write on here.I don’t like or respect anything you say and it is obvious you feel the same about me.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Guys I really cant imagine the terror this School teacher felt facing pure evil in the face. RIP Sweet angel. and to all those that were taken.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
1-4 when it counted and you think we could have beaten Denver.Go ahead and live in your fantasy world.Hue was a good OC,he wasn’t a magician.
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He sure magically changed this O or have you forgoten how bad this O was before Hue took it over, you are the one in denial. 1-4 down the stretch, what is DA down the stretch and what does DA have us in position for a top 5 pick?
December 15th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Hue is gone-history.Quit living in the past.If,If,If.I’m sick of ifs.Live in the now.
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Live in the now. Embrace the misery. Get good with the misery and pain. Embrace the incompetence and impotency. Embrace the flatulence. Get right with the now baby. Embrace the pain.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
BTW,please do me a favor and skip anything I write on here.I don’t like or respect anything you say and it is obvious you feel the same about me.
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I will continue to expose all bloggers like you who speak reckless garbage.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
I totally disagree that the Raiders should not compete with Payton Manning and the Broncos. The Raiders had a well balanced offense that could keep manning of the field. With a upgraded defense ,that is what Hue wanted, the Raiders could have been better than the Broncos.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
1032-how about the principle who threw herself at the creep trying to stop him and protect the children.That lady is a hero.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Lefty12=Art Shell 2.0 and Joe Gibbs 2.0. Old guys who the game of football has passed by.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Know-it-all-you don’t have a clue.When you post the only thing you expose is your ignorance and bias.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
As a long time Raider fan all I have to say is I hope with everything in me you guys are disappointed and we win 2 of our last 3 or even 3 of 3.I never want my team to lose and to be honest I can’t understand any fan of any team wishing for their team to lose.You WHINE about the coaches but wanting to lose is worse than anything they could ever do.Just my opinion.
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I can’t turn on a game and watch it and root against the Raiders, but i can understand the ’strategy’ of some fans hoping we get a better draft position for next yr. seeing this season is done and all hope lost long ago.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
lefty, where are you coming from. Are you in denial when you keep hearing the Raiders were one game away from making the playoffs. Are you saying the Raiders are closer now to the playoffs? You make it to the playoffs, win one game and you keep playing. It was something the Raiders were close to doing.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Oh oh. Someone in the room REALLY wants to suck hue’s dick.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Raiders won’t be able to get it up for the toilet bowl game. Coaches can’t inspire. Embrace the impotency. So disappointed in what coulda/shoulda been. Now I got to get behind the brilliant misery this staff has bestowed upon us. And it’s been confirmed we can witness this horror for another year. Get good with the suffering. Humility is a good thing. Very good for the soul.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
2-I don’t agree.We don’t have 1 player on defense that is even close to Miller or Dumberville.Our WRs don’t compare to theirs.Our QB isn’t even close to him.Their Oline is better.How can you say we could have been better.Put aside your hate for them and look at things realistically-we aren’t as good.Hell,they beat us with friggin’ Teabow.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
2romes Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
I totally disagree that the Raiders should not compete with Payton Manning and the Broncos. The Raiders had a well balanced offense that could keep manning of the field. With a upgraded defense ,that is what Hue wanted, the Raiders could have been better than the Broncos.
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I can’t see how Hue could have upgraded the defense with no draft picks and no cap room.
Hue could not have kept Wimbley – nor could he have replaced him.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Know-it-all-you don’t have a clue.When you post the only thing you expose is your ignorance and bias.
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I’m Bias LOL, this coming from the guy who wanted Hue fired(and I know you did) but supports DA and this terrible season. And if I’m so ignorant why do so many agree. Your just old and stuck in your ways(cant teach an old dog new tricks).
December 15th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
While I wish the Hubris of Deluth much luck in his future aspirations as a football coach, there is an undeniable distinction he will share with Dennis Allen — loser.
Hue was in charge of an 8-8 Raiders football team.
Dennis is at the helm of a 3-10 squad.
Neither produced a winner.
We can argue back and forth about how close Hubris was to the playoffs. Well, did he get there?
No.
He finished 8-8. And that is not a winning record.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
I here other DA /reggie supporters are happy about the dismantling of the team when the Raiders are that close. Their weak arguement is the raider were 8-8 when they know good and well that 9-7 have won Superbowls. It would rather be and 9-7 team and win the superbowl than 18-1 team and not win a Superbowl!!!!
December 15th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Is what DA and co. have done this season much worse than hoping Raiders lose out to get better draft position?
DA is FULLY committed to implementing his “scheme” no matter what. He is loyal to the scheme hoping some day it will start working. I believe he is more committed to that than doing whatever is necessary to win football games NOW. I think he’s said as much. This is all about seeing this through despite the losses…thinking long term.
Fans that want the Raiders to lose NOW are doing the same dang thing; thinking long term by hoping we improve our draft position.
What’s the difference between 4-12 and 3-13 when we’re talking long term growth….especially when these fans know that DA’s MAIN goal himself was not to win games but to implement his “system” for the longer term?
Like I said, i can’t see guys in Raider helmets on my tv and root against them, but i can feel not as bad as i usually do if they lose, knowing that it may lead to better times ahead, and a win tomorrow may actually be worse for us in the long term.
It’s win/win for me tomorrow. We win and we sweep the Chiefs. That always feels nice for a few minutes under any circumstances..but if we lose…hey it helps the long term maybe.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Hue got to 8-8 by mortgaging the future.
The current staff are left to pick up the interest.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
2romes Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
lefty, where are you coming from. Are you in denial when you keep hearing the Raiders were one game away from making the playoffs. Are you saying the Raiders are closer now to the playoffs? You make it to the playoffs, win one game and you keep playing. It was something the Raiders were close to doing.
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He coming from the place called “just cuz” he doesnt like Hue just cause, maybe its because he’s black wouldnt surprise me may be another one of the undercover racist in here.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
A blow out loss will be better than a meaningless win that would only inflate the ego of the staff. ‘See everyone. Stay the course and presto. We beat the worst team in the NFL.’ But a blow out loss could hasten the inevitable. As a fan I’ve been reduced to this backwards type of logic. It’s either puke or embrace the suffering.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
LEfty I know man its so tragic. Everyone involed. All those sweet kids.
They all should be home right now enjoying their families getting ready for christmas. The adults that were taken should be with their families too.
That sicko took alot of ppl that belonged to many and took away parents who had kids that needed and depended on them.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Anyone who watched the raiders last year and thought they were good is delusional.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
And for the record, Hue was an imaginative and creative play caller.
Loved his river-boat gambler style of all or nothing on offense. It was the big play for the big payoff. Loved it.
Shouldn’t have been canned, should have been given another shot to prove himself with a defensive coordinator of his choosing.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
But, with that all said, Hue got his one-shot and produced an 8-8 team. Not a winner.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Hue with this O in his scheme with new DC = playoffs.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Know-it-all go F%&k yourself.I talked to people yesterday explaining my thoughts on HJ.If you can’t read it isn’t my fault.I say the ONLY reason you support HJ is because he is black.You are one of the punks that comes here to stir the racist BS.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Kiwi_Blade Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Hue got to 8-8 by mortgaging the future.
The current staff are left to pick up the interest.
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where would we be if we hadnt picked up Palmer.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Still stuck with Jason Campbell think about that.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
IT STARTS WITH COACHING AND ONE OR TWO PLAYER THAT FITS HUES SCHEME. You already appear perplexed if you think everything revolves around big money players. Hue got the Raiders offense rolling with very few change in players the year he came to the Raiders.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
That is interesting, the what-if scenario.
What would the Raiders record been if the team hadn’t sent a king’s ransom to the Bengals for Palmer.
Wonder how genius Hubris would have looked with Boller under center the rest of the way…
December 15th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Know-it-all go F%&k yourself.I talked to people yesterday explaining my thoughts on HJ.If you can’t read it isn’t my fault.I say the ONLY reason you support HJ is because he is black.You are one of the punks that comes here to stir the racist BS.
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Wish you could call me something else?
December 15th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Now I am intrigued.
Would Hue’s creative play calling have been praised if Boller was QB?
December 15th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
If the Raiders get blown out of DAs’ legacy Toilet Bowl II 2012, it will confirm:
Players have in fact shut it down.
Coaches can’t inspire, game plan, manage or coach.
Mark and Reggie need to sit down and dig deep into their collective guts and seriously evaluate the current condition of this staff. Hoisting the Toilet in the locker room after the game is not what we had in mind after the end of last season. We just wanted a new DC. Not a Toilet in the trophy case. Embrace the pain. Get right with it.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
1056.jackasspuria Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
But, with that all said, Hue got his one-shot and produced an 8-8 team. Not a winner.
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Not a loser either. And that make reggie and DA what?
December 15th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
2romes
Al Davis characterized an 8-8 team as a loser. I’ll side with him.
DA and Reggie?
Losers, just like Hubris.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
maybe its because he’s black wouldnt surprise me may be another one of the undercover racist in here.========
You get a badge with that?
December 15th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
.I say the ONLY reason you support HJ is because he is black
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I support Hue because of what I saw him do for this O, now you tell me why you support DA? And if I have a racist agenda why have I been a Carson supporter and a JC hater? Your reaching old man.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Kiwi_Blade Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Hue got to 8-8 by mortgaging the future.
The current staff are left to pick up the interest.
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where would we be if we hadnt picked up Palmer.
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We would probably still have Soup, Wimbley, and have drafted some help on defense, maybe a good DT or CB.
Probably be about the same 3 – 10.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Anyone who watched the raiders last year and thought they were good is delusional.
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So your take on this seasons hot garbage? Hue should have been givin another year. We would have been good this year. No question about it. Now get ready for the 2012 Toilet Bowl.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Gdog Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Cant believe I am actually hoping we lose, I must REALLY dislike this coaching staff. Only way I would want us to win is if they started Pryor.
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You have it backwards. They should start Pryor so they make sure they lose. CP might light up the Chiefs.
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what I meant was if Pryor started I would want him to play well and win the game so we could get our own little qb controversy started.
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The ONLY way the team wins is if the defense once again is not fleeced and slapped around like a red headed step child. Pryor can come in and stink it up, putting only 13 points on the board and still win if the D shuts down the inept KC offense and maybe scores one itself.
If that sort of scenario plays out and people here start ignorantly giving Pryor credit for the win (as well as solving world hunger while he was at it), then the cluelessness here will be forever cemented as the most out of touch with reality blog in the NFL.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
You did not have to see Boller did you. Hue did it for the Players that fight their butts off. You turn your back on star a player like DMAC what is that saying to the team? No, Hue did not give up, Hue did not quit that is what some of you wanted I guess.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
maybe its because he’s black wouldnt surprise me may be another one of the undercover racist in here.========
You get a badge with that?
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I dont get it????
December 15th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
2romes-we don’t have any playmakers-I mean game changing playmakers-especially on defense.Look at the better teams.They all have difference makers.We don’t.We could have been 8-8 again,maybe 9-6(although I doubt it) but that was our ceiling.Will this regime get us to where everyone hopes,nobody knows?But I doubt without many of the changes we are making we would have ever gotten there.We give them another year-minus Knapp,I hope-and if the results are even remotely the same,clean house.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Even Al Davis can be wrong and in this case he is.8-8 is just what it is 8-8.Even!!
December 15th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
2romes
If 8-8 is the barometer of success for you, more power to you.
It’s been a long time since I’ve seen winning Raiders football — a winning record not just winning some games here or there — and I still strive for something other than even.
So with that, Hue Jackson lands in the same category as Dennis Allen for me — loser.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Lefty, why do you want us to be so hopeful with your scenario at 3-10 with no improvement that we can see when 8-8 and improving is what the Raiders had?
December 15th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Serious question.
Do any of you guys think if we get blown out tomorrow by the Chiefs at home that DA is gone?
I don’t think it will happen, but what if???
December 15th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
2romes-we don’t have any playmakers-I mean game changing playmakers-especially on defense.Look at the better teams.They all have difference makers.We don’t.We could have been 8-8 again,maybe 9-6(although I doubt it) but that was our ceiling.Will this regime get us to where everyone hopes,nobody knows?But I doubt without many of the changes we are making we would have ever gotten there.We give them another year-minus Knapp,I hope-and if the results are even remotely the same,clean house.
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Do you see these asinine comments? DMoore=playmaker DMAC=PLAYMAKER Reece=playmaker GTFOH. Now on D we ARE short on playmakers. How can anyone say 8-8 was are ceiling make a logical case for that. Just plain Haters.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
1056.jackasspuria Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
But, with that all said, Hue got his one-shot and produced an 8-8 team. Not a winner.
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December 15th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
DJ Johnny
If I were the head honcho (Mark Davis) I would have a hard time convincing myself to keep Dennis Allen if the team were waxed by the Chiefs Sunday.
That is because I’m a Raider fan who jumps the gun on decisions and is quick to trumpet off with his head.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
2romes
A 9-7 team is a winner.
8-8 are losers.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
2romes
If 8-8 is the barometer of success for you, more power to you.
It’s been a long time since I’ve seen winning Raiders football — a winning record not just winning some games here or there — and I still strive for something other than even.
So with that, Hue Jackson lands in the same category as Dennis Allen for me — loser.
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You let the man build off it like Gruden built off his 8-8 seasons.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
9-7 teams have won a Super Bowl.
An 8-8 team?
Never.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Eastoaklandraider
If I were owner and made decisions, yes, I would have kept Hubris and we would have gotten our nails did together while we spoke of football strategy. And no, I’m not making fun of Hue. I seriously would take shop with Hue will getting pedicures and manicures, if I were owner.
But, that was not my decision, it was Mark Davis’ and Reggie McKenzie.
Since I have no personnel power within the organization, I have no choice but to role with Mark and Reggie’s decisions.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Serious question.
Do any of you guys think if we get blown out tomorrow by the Chiefs at home that DA is gone?
I don’t think it will happen, but what if???
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I think DA is here next year regardless, even if we lose all 3 badly.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Can’t see the logic in not supporting the best chance the Raiders had in years and there is proof 3-10!!!!!
December 15th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Serious question.
Do any of you guys think if we get blown out tomorrow by the Chiefs at home that DA is gone?
I don’t think it will happen, but what if???
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In that scenario I think Reggie has no choice but to fire him.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Serious question.
Do any of you guys think if we get blown out tomorrow by the Chiefs at home that DA is gone?
I don’t think it will happen, but what if???
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I can tell you a win would be meaningless. But if we get blown out, DA may be ‘pressured’ to start dumping a few of the staff.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
2romes
Cannot support Hubris — he’s no longer a Raider.
If he did return as Raiders coach, sure, he’d have my support.
But no more Hue.
The future — despite it being bleak — is now. Hue was the past.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
If we’re still doing predictions, then I say the Raiders pull this one out:
Raiders 30
Chiefs 24
Raiders D will play just well enough to keep the game from getting out of hand. CP3 will consistently lead scoring drives to maintain a small lead throughout. The only setback will be the playing time that Pryor gets, when the offense mixes in one or two decent plays with a whole lot of fail.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
3-10 I will never support so can live with a Rookie head coach that gave me an 8-8 season.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
If I’m the owner I give DA 1 more year and I watch closely and see the moves he makes in the offseason. Does he fire Knapp? Does he fire the ST coach? Does he place a premium on protecting Carson Palmer our big investment and getting the run game back where it should be?
December 15th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
D-Moore=playmaker.LMFAO,he can’t even run his routes properly or consistently catch the ball.That is why he was BENCHED a couple of games ago.McFadden can’t play more than 4-5 games without getting hurt.Reese is a good player,but he isn’t a game changing playmaker.Once again you show you know NOTHING.You are a typical young know-it-all.The more you speak,the more you show how little you know.ROTFLMAO
December 15th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Jackasspuria, Are we living in the past now? DA/ Allen 3-10!!! past, present, future you call it!!!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Eastoaklandraider
Indeed.
Raiders have big-money invested in Palmer next season; $13 million to be exact according to Rotworld.com.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Z, heads up…the only reason we win is cause Bowe is done for the season!!
If anything…J. Charles will rush for 200ish yards on us!!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
2romes
Present is indeed bleak, as I stated in a previous post.
Future has a dark cloud cast over it as well.
But, one has to keep moving forward.
Can’t stay stagnant.
Hubris is gone. DA is here.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
I have not one good thing to say about DA right now. Do You?
December 15th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
2rome-I didn’t fire HJ.I had no say in whether or not he returned or not.I would have liked to see him get another year.I hate the idea of changing coaches every year.I just refuse to say if we had kept him we’d have been this great team.1-4 the last 5 games when it really mattered last year isn’t forgotten,at least with me.BTW,did you feel the same way when Cable wasn’t brought back after he brought the team from a 5-11 record to an 8-8 record?
December 15th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
2romes Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
I have not one good thing to say about DA right now. Do You?
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He got us a top 3 draft pick.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
D-Moore=playmaker.LMFAO,he can’t even run his routes properly or consistently catch the ball.That is why he was BENCHED a couple of games ago.McFadden can’t play more than 4-5 games without getting hurt.Reese is a good player,but he isn’t a game changing playmaker.Once again you show you know NOTHING.You are a typical young know-it-all.The more you speak,the more you show how little you know.ROTFLMAO
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Moore Ran the proper Routes last year and was one of the most exciting rookies of the year and a tough cover=Playmaker
DMC while oft-injured was on pace to be the leading rusher and was starting to garner the attn of best back in the leauge=playmaker
Reece put the team on his back while the other backs were out and made play after play in the run and passing game and is a mismatch nightmare when used properly=playmaker
you can now return to your regular scheduled program of Archie Bunker and Dukes a hazzard.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Kiwi_Blade Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
2romes Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
I have not one good thing to say about DA right now. Do You?
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He got us a top 3 draft pick.
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He’s got a nice pair?
Lol…
December 15th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
2romes
From the pictures when he was hired, DA appears to have a wonderful family. By all accounts, a loving wife and two wonderful children.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Peace out my ninjas…I’m out!!!
Foe cheezy!!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
You guys just add fuel to the fire by saying Hue need not do enough as a Rookie head coach, record 8-8 but want the majority of the Raider fans to give you support in your decision of DA/ reggie. That is unfair to the Raiders fans and players that thought the Raiders were close. The new regime did not show patiences then and I don’t have patiences now!!!!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
2romes
Have no choice. None of us on this board has the power to hire or fire.
Have to roll with Mark Davis’ decisions — he is the one who hired Reggie McKenzie — because he is the owner of the Oakland Raiders.
We all could express our frustrations, but, in the end, we hardly matter to Raider decision makers.
I have no choice but to follow the Raiders. They are the team I have a passion for, for better or worse.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
2rome-I didn’t fire HJ.I had no say in whether or not he returned or not.I would have liked to see him get another year.I hate the idea of changing coaches every year.I just refuse to say if we had kept him we’d have been this great team.1-4 the last 5 games when it really mattered last year isn’t forgotten,at least with me.BTW,did you feel the same way when Cable wasn’t brought back after he brought the team from a 5-11 record to an 8-8 record?
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All Hue haters ever talk about is 1-4 down the stretch, do they forget that Detroit Lions game where we had the game locked up? Do they forget the debacle at home against Denver where we were up 2 scores and in control of the game? do they forget the drive we gave up against Buff with the game on the line? do they forget in the finale against SD CP damn near threw for 500 yards and we couldnt force 1 punt? But yeah we’ll just remember 1-4 down the stretch. Haters with agendas period.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Question that no one can answer, how would we look with carson and Dmac in hues scheme? And thats what truly pisses me off.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Eastoaklandraider
I know what Hue brought to the table, offensively.
I am/was more curious to see who Hue would have picked to run the defense and what kind of scheme that bad boy would have deployed.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
You guys that are whining are embarrassing yourselves! We had an 8-8 record and the worst defense in the NFL. All we were close to was winning the worst division in the NFL. No chance of winning a playoff game. Reggie did the best he could with few draft picks. My only complaint and I said it at the time was to keep Michael Bush. I would have tried to trade Seymour.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
I was excited about the prospect that Reggie would turn this franchise into a respected, sensible, successful football operation. Throughout the first part of the season, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt considering the condition of the roster that he took over.
I’m now forced to believe that my hope was mis-placed. I’m no longer expecting him to improve our situation.
I’m starting to think that maybe he’s more suited to be a shrimp-boat captain like Bubba from Forrest Gump. Who he imitates in pressers.
But…. How on Earth did he last so long in Green Bay?
I just don’t get it…
December 15th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
If I’m the owner I give DA 1 more year and I watch closely and see the moves he makes in the offseason. Does he fire Knapp? Does he fire the ST coach? Does he place a premium on protecting Carson Palmer our big investment and getting the run game back where it should be?
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Yes, and most importantly DOES HE WIN GAMES?
We have a couple posters who are defending DA by saying yes..the Knapp decision was an error but have assured us that he will ABSOLUTELY fix that by firing him immediately after the season ends.
I am not so sure Knapp is going anywhere.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Wow. Samuel L. Jackson just dropped the f bomb on SNL.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
What is all the arguing about Hue supposed to accomplish?
He’s gone. He’s not coming back. All this was debated last offseason.
I can’t believe the Chiefs game sold out. The city of Oakland has no one but themselves to blame for the mess on the field.
Fire Knapp now!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Who said HJ shouldn’t have been given another year?You guys keep trying to make this a HJ vs DA thing.It isn’t.Why is that so difficult for people to understand?TYou say HJ should have been given another year-fine,agreed.I say DA should be given another year because I’m tired of changing coaches every year-you say he shouldn’t because HJ wasn’t.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
We will all know by this time next season if Reggie is doing a good job. Need patience right now, my friends!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Back-N-Black
Exactly.
Hubris is gone.
And yes, I can’t believe the game sold out!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Beach Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
You guys that are whining are embarrassing yourselves! We had an 8-8 record and the worst defense in the NFL. All we were close to was winning the worst division in the NFL. No chance of winning a playoff game.
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Guess you didnt see Den beat a wounded Pitt sqaud last year.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Question that no one can answer, how would we look with carson and Dmac in hues scheme? And thats what truly pisses me off.
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This doesnt infuriate anyone else?
December 15th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
It is very easy to see who has the AGENDA here.Looking at you know-it-all.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Reggie’s results speak for themselves.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
jackasspuria, most of us are trying to get on board with with new management but when we are hearing how bad Hue performed and did not live up to you standard and the new management is doing much worst the support you want form me won’t be given.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
I checked out on this season after the Ravens game. I knew it was over at 3-6. Dennis Allen is a big question mark in my book. Like I’ve said, bring back Gruden, or Allen gets 1 more year to prove himself!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
This coaching staff is not taking this team anywhere fellas.
We need a Gruden to turn this ship around and compete with Denver for the division.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Denver had a defense and deserved to win the division. Do not give me that garbage that our lousy team could have won a playoff game last year. No way in heck!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Its hard not to bring up Hue when imo he had us on the right track and trending upward, I would have felt the same way if we would have fired Gruden after his second 8-8 season. Al woundnt have fired Hue like he didnt fire Gruden.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Eastoak is right.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Hue got screwed.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Beach Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Denver had a defense and deserved to win the division. Do not give me that garbage that our lousy team could have won a playoff game last year. No way in heck!
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We beat Pitt this year for Gawd sakes!!! how come we couldnt have beaten them with Ben on 1 leg? And the ONLY reason Den beat us is because our D imploded.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Back-n-Black Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
What is all the arguing about Hue supposed to accomplish?
He’s gone. He’s not coming back. All this was debated last offseason.
I can’t believe the Chiefs game sold out. The city of Oakland has no one but themselves to blame for the mess on the field.
Fire Knapp now!
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Chiefs game did not sell out.
Bet you maybe 35-40k actually show up tomorrow.
The Raiders bought and the remaining tix to get to 85% and they have those tix away to family, friends and charity and to local orgs and schools.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
The concept of being 8-8 and almost playoff bound in a so called weak division does not excite you. I bet denver is excited. And you know you appear to be brighter than that but maybe that concept is a bit much for you.
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Beach Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
You guys that are whining are embarrassing yourselves! We had an 8-8 record and the worst defense in the NFL. All we were close to was winning the worst division in the NFL. No chance of winning a playoff game.
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December 15th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
We need Gruden …Yes,and we need Stabler to be 40 years younger.We need Branch and Freddy B to be 40 years younger.We need Tooz,Big Ben,Otis,and Hendricks too.We need Bo 100% healthy.But guess what-none of those things will happen.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
If the argument is Hue is better than Dennis Allen, you guys may be right. But Hue would have us at 5-8 right now, at best.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Its hard not to bring up Hue when imo he had us on the right track and trending upward, I would have felt the same way if we would have fired Gruden after his second 8-8 season. Al woundnt have fired Hue like he didnt fire Gruden.
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Yeah. Hue just needed to be allowed to find a proper and legit DC.
Any of you hear of that clown “Guru” on 95.7fm the game?
He won lucky break because he hated on Hue big time and he is actually on the air??
No credibility.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
beach Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
If the argument is Hue is better than Dennis Allen, you guys may be right. But Hue would have us at 5-8 right now, at best
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Nah. Hue would have hired a better DC than both DA and Tarver combined.
The offense would probably be even better than it was last year with Carson full time in Hue’s system ahead of Campbell.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Denver with Peyton Manning is a legit Super Bowl contender. Don’t even compare this lousy team we support with them. Some of you are delusional. Please, face reality!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
The best I can say about Reggie is that he didn’t get sidetracked going after high priced free agent flops like Larry Brown, Randy Moss, Warren Sapp or Deangelo Hall.
It’s always possible to shuffle salaries to create the cap room you need to make a move, and I’m glad he didn’t give in to the temptation.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
It is very easy to see who has the AGENDA here.Looking at you know-it-all.
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Thats all you got old man? that and 1-4 down the stretch? LOL. I understand your argument is weak I would go that route too if my argument was so weak.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
There is not a man alive who could coach this lousy defense we have!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Eastoaklandraider
I know what Hue brought to the table, offensively.
I am/was more curious to see who Hue would have picked to run the defense and what kind of scheme that bad boy would have deployed.
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Hue would have probably hired an assistant from Ravens, Cinncy, Jets or Pitts staffs to be his DC.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Hue would have got this team to fight though and not quit.
DA, Knapp, Hoffman, Pollack and Tarver lost these players before the season even started!
December 15th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
If 8-8 is SOOOooooo easy how come the Raiders are not even sniffing at the record? There could be a possibility we could be looking at this record for a long time. Change don’t always mean change is for the better.
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1135.beach Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
If the argument is Hue is better than Dennis Allen, you guys may be right. But Hue would have us at 5-8 right now, at best.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Yes,and we need Stabler to be 40 years younger.We need Branch and Freddy B to be 40 years younger.We need Tooz,Big Ben,Otis,and Hendricks too.
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THERE IT IS, THERE IT IS, THE OLD MAN STILL STUCK IN THE 70′S.LOL
December 15th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Once they knew Bush was gone, then Reece should have replaced him immediately.
Knapp couldn’t even get that right.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
You guys ready for the Toilet Bowl tomorrow?? haha
December 15th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
CP3,DMAAC,HUE=PLAYOFFS.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
2romes
Never stated that I ‘wanted’ your support.
You have to make that decision for yourself.
Jump off or stay on the train.
I, for better or worse, am staying on.
Watched the team for too many years to simply leave.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
I just saw Reece and Crawford at Zacharys Pizza in San Ramon.
They just chillin getting pizza….could have sworn I heard one of them taking jabs at one of the coaches though.
Not surprising.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
CP3,DMAAC,HUE=PLAYOFFS.
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With a REAL DC also!
December 15th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Did the 3 draft picks account for the 3 games the Raiders won. Just great!! It take 11 player playing good at the same time to do at bit better. Ok, I will take that a face valve. Are the players DA/ picked making the team better?
December 15th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
1143-you mean the guys DA tried to hire but was denied the opportunity to even interview.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
2romes-Reggie gets the players,not DA.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
I always have and always will support the Raiders.That is what I am doing now protecting them from lame duck management that can continue to lose games with consequence.
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1149.jackasspuria Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
2romes
Never stated that I ‘wanted’ your support.
You have to make that decision for yourself.
Jump off or stay on the train.
I, for better or worse, am staying on.
Watched the team for too many years to simply leave.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Alias,you are better than that,come on man.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
2romes
It’s what any Raider fan would do.
But the sad reality is we as fans have very little say in terms of a team’s management.
Sure, we can avoid buying a ticket and not attend a game live at O.Co Coliseum, but, in the end, the owner is going to do what he sees fit, regardless of the fan base.
I have seen this through the many years of being a Raider fan.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
The/ was to included Reggie. Dennis does have some influences over the picks. Did some of you not blame Hue for picking palmer?
December 15th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
McK should have let Hue work with his Palmer pick for at least a year before prematurely getting rid of him.
A blunder by Davis and McK.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
GG Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 14th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
GG,they saw what was there wasn’t good enough to mold into a winning team so they made changes and will continue to do so.
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That’s what they lead you to believe, including Cork etc who toe the company line always spreading that seed of thought.
But what was here, and in VERY ADVERSE situation the previous two seasons (lockout, no training camp, al’s passing, starting QB down, RB down, WRs constantly out, Bresnahan, etc) we manufactured two 8-8 seasons with Hue’s influence.
Yes, Hue had a bit of a nut-job about him and flaws that he needed to work on, but the foundation was established, Al clearly picked Hue to be the next Gruden type, someone to carry forth the torch, Al publicly endorsed Hue as that person in the initial PC of his hiring. Re-watch it.
Anyway, not to harp on Hue so much, but Reggie is 100% responsible for CREATING a train-wreck football team when it wasn’t a train-wreck to begin with.
Instead of building on the foundation, he deliberately tore it down. And there’s no proof/indication that Reggie even knows how to build a better foundation or a successful one. If we give him 3-5 years we’ll know for sure. But there’s already indication with his nepotism, and his hiring of and continued support of Allen/Knapp/Tarver, and deliberately sitting on his hands thruout November. He didn’t even come out with a PC to address RN until Mark had to do it himself.
How he has operated, his agenda, he was MORE INTERESTED in destroying to rebuild in his own image.
I want to believe in Reggie, because he learned under Ron Wolf. But that doesn’t make him Ron Wolf either. Eliot Wolf hired as GM would’ve been better. No guarantee Eliot is Ron either, but I would’ve been more enthused with that.
Eliot also probably destroyed to rebuild, but I speculate he wouldn’t have been as bad and contradictory or as destructive as Reggie was. Eliot is more thoughtful than Reggie.
Like I’ve said, i’m okay with Reggie for 3-5 years. BUT…if he whatsoever endorses or lobbies for the retention of Allen/Knapp/Tarver then he immediately proves he is the wrong GM. Mark will know whether or not he is in their weekly talks. If he senses Reggie is endorsing these coaches retention, he should trust his heart that already told him post-Saints that this football product and coaching/GM personnel decisions are BS.
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It didn’t need to be completely torn down.
Exactly.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
I spend a lot of cash when I go to the games. so yes, I will think twice about that before doing it so freely. I get the Sunday Ticket just to watch the Raiders. and again yes I will voice my displeasure with the decision of this management. I enjoy the Raiders not Reggie, not DA at the moment. They can be here today and gone tommorrow.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Beach Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
If the argument is Hue is better than Dennis Allen, you guys may be right. But Hue would have us at 5-8 right now, at best.
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Exactly
December 15th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
You are the man, DJ Johnny….
DJ Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Reggie McKenzie was a sought after GM. I remember when all the GM searches were going down that Bears fans and media were hoping to get Reggie from GB.
Bears did not want him because they were in rebuild mode and would have come out w/ pitchforks if Reggie would’ve come and said “Hey..i’m a rookie GM. If we suck, that’s the reason. I’m gonna need alot of patience and understanding as we go thru this acclimation period”.
Nope. They wanted Reggie cuz he was seen as someone who could elevate the team IMMEDIATELY in the wake of dismissing GM Jerry Angelo. Now that he’s here in Oakland, we hear a ton of excuses as to why we shouldn’t expect anything out of him. “He’s a rookie GM…what do u expect…he’ll get it right. Just give him some time”.
Reggie was brought in and took over an 8-8 team and there was no talk of “rebuild” or anything else. I get we have plenty of excuses…valid ones..we can give him; and we do, but he wasn’t seen around the league as someone who was gonna have to “get his bearings” before doing anything significant.
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DJ Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Another thing about Knapp is EVERY SINGLE interview/presser he does he never fails to toot his own horn as to where he’s been before gracing us with his championship presence in Oakland.
I defy anyone to find one interview where he fails to mention his time with the Houston Texans. I don’t recall any other coach who does that. It reeks of insecurity.
Now, in his latest twisted diatribe of falsehoods and halftruths he gives us: “I was in San Francisco for nine years when they were finishing up the run of five Super Bowls”.
EVERY DAMN TIME he’s interviewed we hear about his time in Houston and/or SF.
This guy is constantly trying to validate himself. When u have to cosntantly name drop like he does…and I mean CONSTANTLY you come off like a pathetic, insecure douche.
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What also shocks me is that Knapp would be sprouting this crap 24/7 around his colleagues, and saying all sorts of contradictory BS day in day out. You’d think Allen, Reggie, etc would’ve seen thru his BS and schtick mid-season, pre-season, even at his job interview, and at any of those points in time, facepalmed and fired him and/or stripped him of play-calling duties. Instead, they toot his horn too and talk about bringing him back.
That’s how insane Allen and Reggie must be.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
GG Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
You are the man, DJ Johnny….
DJ Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Reggie McKenzie was a sought after GM. I remember when all the GM searches were going down that Bears fans and media were hoping to get Reggie from GB.
Bears did not want him because they were in rebuild mode and would have come out w/ pitchforks if Reggie would’ve come and said “Hey..i’m a rookie GM. If we suck, that’s the reason. I’m gonna need alot of patience and understanding as we go thru this acclimation period”.
Nope. They wanted Reggie cuz he was seen as someone who could elevate the team IMMEDIATELY in the wake of dismissing GM Jerry Angelo. Now that he’s here in Oakland, we hear a ton of excuses as to why we shouldn’t expect anything out of him. “He’s a rookie GM…what do u expect…he’ll get it right. Just give him some time”.
Reggie was brought in and took over an 8-8 team and there was no talk of “rebuild” or anything else. I get we have plenty of excuses…valid ones..we can give him; and we do, but he wasn’t seen around the league as someone who was gonna have to “get his bearings” before doing anything significant.
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DJ Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Another thing about Knapp is EVERY SINGLE interview/presser he does he never fails to toot his own horn as to where he’s been before gracing us with his championship presence in Oakland.
I defy anyone to find one interview where he fails to mention his time with the Houston Texans. I don’t recall any other coach who does that. It reeks of insecurity.
Now, in his latest twisted diatribe of falsehoods and halftruths he gives us: “I was in San Francisco for nine years when they were finishing up the run of five Super Bowls”.
EVERY DAMN TIME he’s interviewed we hear about his time in Houston and/or SF.
This guy is constantly trying to validate himself. When u have to cosntantly name drop like he does…and I mean CONSTANTLY you come off like a pathetic, insecure douche.
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What also shocks me is that Knapp would be sprouting this crap 24/7 around his colleagues, and saying all sorts of contradictory BS day in day out. You’d think Allen, Reggie, etc would’ve seen thru his BS and schtick mid-season, pre-season, even at his job interview, and at any of those points in time, facepalmed and fired him and/or stripped him of play-calling duties. Instead, they toot his horn too and talk about bringing him back.
That’s how insane Allen and Reggie must be.
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Crazy isn’t it?
December 15th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Autumn wind is a pirate
Slaps you just for fun
Raiders used to be the best
Now were not #1
Time will it take
to win a game
until we do
I’m not the same
Whether its dark or sunny
I won’t give them my money
better sooner than later
just don’t be a hater
December 15th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
#852: DA had Dumerville and that other pass rushing animal to build his defense around last season and still managed to have the 20th ranked defense in the league. Jack Del Rio took over and now that same unit is one of the best in the league.
Another example DiAntoni coached the knicks with terrible results. A better coach comes in and coaches the same team and now they’re doing great. Conversely DiAntoni goes to the talent laden Lakers and the team blows, just like last years knicks. In short coaches matter.
Magic Johnson called it when DiAntoni was hired. Magic noted losers never win, nor do they change.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Reggie McKenzie was a sought after GM. I remember when all the GM searches were going down that Bears fans and media were hoping to get Reggie from GB.
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Reggie flunked his interview at Atlanta.
Maybe not as sought after as we would like to think.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
And btw, Hue didn’t have to trade for Palmer last year. There were other (yes unspectacular) FA QBs on the open market that would’ve done a far better job than Boller. But the biggest problem Hue had, which is his fault, was that he didnt get a better backup QB before the season started. Knowing Pryor was coming on board, who was suspended for 5 games, he needed to make sure he had a capable back-up. He never did, and it bit him bad.
He shouldn’t have traded so much for Palmer, he over-estimated Palmer and his 5-2 record or whatever it was at the time. He could’ve reached 8-8 with the same path of frustration if he’d signed someone like David Garrard or whomever instead.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
#852: DA had Dumerville and that other pass rushing animal to build his defense around last season and still managed to have the 20th ranked defense in the league. Jack Del Rio took over and now that same unit is one of the best in the league.
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Proves what a ‘TEAM’ game football really is.Everyone who watches football knows last year the Donkeys won with Teabow as QB because the defense kept them in games.This year Manning keeps the defense off the field so they look better statistically but aren’t any better.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Serious question.
Do any of you guys think if we get blown out tomorrow by the Chiefs at home that DA is gone?
I don’t think it will happen, but what if???
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Imo, my left-field, Allen is gone if we keep losing and playing soullessly. Mark put him on notice he wanted to see improvement, including from Reggie — and that was post-Saints game. Since then we’ve been destroyed a few more times since. Another terrible outing vs Chiefs = heads will roll from Mark’s own hand.
Imo, I already think Gruden is coming here as Pres of FO (prominent role) with a stake in ownership or something. And Gruden will be the new bigger boss and Reggie will march to his drum, and Gruden will assess the coaching staff and make changes.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Rookie owner hiring a rookie GM hiring a rookie HC.
When I look at Mark’s face, I get the impression he took more than a few short yellow buses to school.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Question that no one can answer, how would we look with carson and Dmac in hues scheme? And thats what truly pisses me off.
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We can already kind answer that….Dmac gets injured mid-season, like he did last season, and Palmer plays like he plays at the back-end of last season. Still the same old INT King, but would’ve been more vertical like he threw a number of beautiful passes. Whereas compare Palmer this season having to throw all those back-shoulder hitch route throws that result in INTs that cost us games (Knapps WCO scheme).
We’d probably be 9-7 or 10-6 in Hues Scheme last year (if you cancel out that 28-0 loss to Chiefs on account of Boller and Palmer being his first week there). If he had time to acclimate, Palmer would’ve gone something more like 2-3 or 3-3 down the stretch.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
It didn’t need to be completely torn down.
Exactly.
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DKnight007 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Crazy isn’t it?
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Why I do believe Mark feels kinda ashamed, he admitted in that PC he made a mistake and he wanted to fix it. He didn’t give a pass to Reggie/Allen, wanted to see improvement “or else” ** see note below. But reasoned they’d probably be back.
** Why again, Gruden hired to a “prominent role” as that PFW dude kept harping on about, I reason to be Pres of FO. He must see Reggie is out of his depth a bit, or a bit of a snake in the grass with the bias against Al players, and the lack of balls owning up etc during November, Mark had to do it himself. Reggie still deflected and endorsed ’staying the course’.
Mark can fix the crazy basically by hiring Gruden to such a capacity, that way he’s not completely torching Reggie/Allen, but bringing in someone who IS a Raider at heart, has much more football and operational acumen, and can guide (and safeguard against) a rookie GM and rookie HC.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Derek Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
#852: DA had Dumerville and that other pass rushing animal to build his defense around last season and still managed to have the 20th ranked defense in the league. Jack Del Rio took over and now that same unit is one of the best in the league.
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That unit got the biggest upgrade on defense of any team in the league. His name in Peyton. He replaced a guy named Tebow. In the process the offense now stays on the field and the defense stays off it.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
1170, GG, seems too good to be true.
This season has been so devoid of anything resembling good news i’ve become seriously jaded.
When I first heard of the Gruden possibility I was for a brief moment proud to be a Raider fan. Hub Arkush had made it sound like it was basically imminent he was coming.
I didn’t sit and contemplate the plusses and minuses and the practical consequences of him coming, i was just taken back to a time when the Raiders mattered and were respected and the feeling was even if we didn;t win right away it didn’t matter…in a sense…we were back.
Then I saw the Raider response and how they were so disgusted and revolted at such a “horrible rumor” and the suggestion they would be making such a bold, positive move…it brought me back to earth.
Nope. WE get what we get…how dare we buy in to such a “disgusting” rumor like that.
For a minute there, it was cool to be a Raider fan again.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Last time it was cool to be a Raider fan was 1982. Since then we have lost more games than any other team in the NFL.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Yes, I know the reality of Gruden back would maybe be far less than the mythical image we have of him riding on a white horse and saving the organziation in short order. I understand even Gruden wouldn’t turn us into SB champs overnite…or ever maybe….but i know it would bring a heck of alot of excitement in Raiderland and we could do alot worse than a guy like Gruden.
IMO it’s not gonna happen, but it was fun to think about for that half hour.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Tomorrow TP lights up the NFL and the future of the Raiders is set. Dmac either needs to step up and help, or get out of the way. The future is now, and his name is Pryor.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
KK-is that true?
December 15th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Since 1982!
December 15th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
I know we were the worst only once,but the accumulative worst for 30 years?WOW.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
1176,
I thought it was kind of cool back about 10 yr’s ago…after we beat Tennessee in the AFC Championship game.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Btw, re: guns and homicide talk, look at this graph…
http://www.brainpickings.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/oliver3.jpg
December 15th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Wait. We won the SB in Jan. of 1984. Hard to believe after a fairly decent decade of the 80’s (2 SB’s) and no horrible multi yr. losing streaks until the 2000’s right?
December 15th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
How can we accept these guys who have been here one year whole year and don’t have this team in the Super Bowl?This is unacceptable.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
And another stat site comparing death by drugs etc to firearms..
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm
December 15th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
I believe in Gruden to Oakland still.
I don’t believe Allen will play Pryor at all. Maybe at most give him the last 2 mins to kneel down and hand-off.
Which, will further infuriate Mark Davis imo.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
If you see Allen not play Pryor at all, even with the Raiders beat good at half-time, if you Allen bring in Leinart before him, and only play Pryor for a kneel-down at end of game, or, not play him at all…..I’m saying, look out! Allen is deliberately thumbing his nose at Mark Davis. Reggie likewise only gave lip-service in his PC after the Davis PC. I am convinced Reggie and Allen are in cohoots clearing out Al Davis players.
And I’ll even go so far as to say, if Reggie and Allen are here next year, and no Gruden as P-FO, etc, you watch Reggie and Allen trade Reece, Ausberry, DHB, Moore, McFadden, Pryor, Ford, Taiwan, Veldheer, Wisniewski, etc.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
GG, I’d like to believe it too.
If we win by a last second fg tomorrow, i wonder if it changes the thinking now to “Hey…we’re turning the corner” as weird as that sounds.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Never fear, DJ Johnny, embrace the pain and suffering as so funnily mentioned earlier by Burton Guster.
Chiefs 30
Raiders 17
December 16th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
KK-is that true?
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Sorry Lefty, that was one of my imposters. I just got home
December 16th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Al Davis made a huge mistake not having a quality veteran back-up QB last year. Gradkowski for instance.
Hue compounded this mistake with a panic trade for Carson Palmer. This is a trade Hue certainly deserved to be fired over. It is very possible Hue would still be the coach today if he did not make the CP trade.
I have liked RM as GM….. except for the hiring of “His Guy” as HC.
Please Mark Davis….show us you are “The Boss” Fire DA and his entire staff.
I would not wait until the end of the season to do so. Go after Gruden now
December 16th, 2012 at 12:05 am
GG, Ha. Well the pain is certainly there.
I was thinking, if Mark was so infruriated after Cincy game I wonder how is feeling now after watching two consecutive home game drubbings right after saying “It’s not good enough”.
He’s saying “Reggie, now this is REALLY not good enough”.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:09 am
1192,
Keep in mind that Hue was not hired to be a GM in the 1st place and there is no way in heck that he could’ve done that trade w/o approval from top Raider brass..i.e: Mark Davis and/or Amy Trask.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:13 am
#1194…yep, indeed, i posted similarly the same thoughts previously about the back-up QB spot which is Hues and Als mistake.
#1195…I just encourage you to not stop believing in Gruden. Nothing that has happened since that post-Saints game has changed, and the denial of a rumor by Raiders.com isn’t anything, everyone denies everything in the NFL. And that PFW dude is holding on. Plus, it was circulated pre-PFW dude weeks before that Gruden had indeed put the feelers out for a staff to return to coaching, the Vols rejection, the Browns rejection.
Gruden or his agent have not denied this particular rumor yet nor even talked about it.
Smoke = fire. Just strap in and can only wait and see. Mightn’t happen, but it might — BECAUSE there’s still that ‘not good enough’ slide under Allen/Reggie continuing to happen.
Imo the contract is already signed between Mark and Jon.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:15 am
lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
How can we accept these guys who have been here one year whole year and don’t have this team in the Super Bowl?This is unacceptable
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We’re 3-10.
I’d be happy just showing some progress.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:25 am
1195, GG, That would be awesome if it were true. I’d love to believe that could happen.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:36 am
I must believe anyway lol. But I do also see WHY it’s still possible.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:45 am
Hue Jackson was the top “Football Guy” at the time of the CP trade. So, I think he deserves most of the blame. Hue pushed for it and Mark approved it.
I liked Hue….If JC did not get injured or a quality back-up QB was in place….I think the Raiders win the division last year.
It is too bad the JC injury happened less than a week before the trade-line. Why could it not have happend after?
December 16th, 2012 at 12:54 am
van BANASZAK Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:45 am
Hue Jackson was the top “Football Guy” at the time of the CP trade. So, I think he deserves most of the blame. Hue pushed for it and Mark approved it.
I liked Hue….If JC did not get injured or a quality back-up QB was in place….I think the Raiders win the division last year.
It is too bad the JC injury happened less than a week before the trade-line. Why could it not have happend after?
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Yep, Hue gets blame for CP. He just shouldn’t have thrown away so many picks. He was going all-out FOR NOW, a playoff/SB run, for himself too, as well as Al mind you. But he blew it. Should’ve gotten Garrard etc for nothing. That way he can’t be blamed for finishing 8-8, can’t be mocked for the ‘greatest ever trade in football history’ comment, what a douche comment, and doesn’t back-fire on him in 2012/2013 and the Raiders not having needed picks, because he surely knew too the defense needed upgrading more.
It was just really bad luck 2012. Al dying. Hue’s trade. Hue’s ego growing that he fired himself in the end. And all we had to do was win a freakin game at the end to make it, instead of Tebow.
I must say tho…2012 was a season of miracles for the Broncos and Tebow. So many bizarre and truly supernatural things and stats happened last year riding him into the playoffs.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:00 am
Burton Guster Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Anyone who watched the raiders last year and thought they were good is delusional.
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So your take on this seasons hot garbage? Hue should have been givin another year. We would have been good this year. No question about it. Now get ready for the 2012 Toilet Bowl.
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this season has sucked. i’m not sold on the coaches, but there is little doubt they’ll be back.
as for hue, it doesn’t matter. his 1-4 record down the stretch and reggie’s desire to bring in his own guy was enough to seal his fate.
and that 1-4 record was exactly what we’re seeing now. so, hue likely wouldn’t have made much of a difference.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:02 am
GG Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
If you see Allen not play Pryor at all, even with the Raiders beat good at half-time, if you Allen bring in Leinart before him, and only play Pryor for a kneel-down at end of game, or, not play him at all…..I’m saying, look out! Allen is deliberately thumbing his nose at Mark Davis. Reggie likewise only gave lip-service in his PC after the Davis PC. I am convinced Reggie and Allen are in cohoots clearing out Al Davis players.
And I’ll even go so far as to say, if Reggie and Allen are here next year, and no Gruden as P-FO, etc, you watch Reggie and Allen trade Reece, Ausberry, DHB, Moore, McFadden, Pryor, Ford, Taiwan, Veldheer, Wisniewski, etc.
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who ever said mark davis is wanting pryor to play? he said he had an opinion, that it wasn’t his pace to say it, and then said he supported palmer.
where exactly does everyone seem to think he said he wants pryor?
December 16th, 2012 at 1:06 am
i get a laugh out of all the people down on the palmer trade. everyone loved it at the time, including me. it seemed we were a qb away from becoming a decent team. but the defense fell apart and the REAL team was revealed (i would say exposed, but missdick kinda has a trademark on that word now).
last year’s early “success” was a mirage.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:09 am
He wants to see Pryor. There is such a thing as intimation. You don’t have to be Einstein to figure out the question that was asked of him about Pryor, and him stating he has an opinion, would like to see, smiling obviously, but also stating he does believe in Palmer.
Figure that out, it’s not hard. Since then, Reggie got the message. He then said, forced to say, yes i want to see Pryor to evaluate him, but its up to the coaches, not me. Hogwash, he’s the Chief of FO. Allen got the message and immediately started dressing Pryor. But three times now has not played him, and BSed with “if the situation presents itself, have packages, none presented” and been reported Pryor wasnt getting many if any reps still.
Allen is challenging Mark. Mark and Reggie are in cohoots. Mark is furious.
That’s how I SPECULATE it all. Based on bits and pieces. But it’s quite apparent Mark intimated he wants to see Pryor.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:15 am
Here’s something very interesting for all…
http://theintelhub.com/2012/10/27/cnbc-execs-children-murdered-1-day-after-cnbc-reports-43-trillion-bankster-lawsuit/
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CNBC Exec’s Children Murdered, 1 Day After CNBC Reports $43 Trillion Bankster Lawsuit
October 27, 2012
This week financial news organization CNBC gave some mainstream attention to the largest money laundering and racketeering lawsuit in United States History, in which “Banksters” and their U.S. racketeering partners are being accused of laundering of 43 trillion dollars worth of ill gotten gains.
The lawsuit is said to involve officials located in the highest offices of government and the financial sector.
Since this information was surprisingly revealed by the mainstream news organization there has been a very suspicious and deadly fallout at the CNBC headquarters.
Within hours the original page for the article was taken down, and CNBC senior vice president Kevin Krim received news that his children were killed under very suspicious circumstances.
It seems that the murder happened first and then the page was removed later.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:15 am
GG-are you an X-Files fan?
December 16th, 2012 at 1:23 am
John Brown (May 9, 1800 – December 2, 1859) was an American abolitionist who used violent actions to fight slavery.[1] During 1856 in Kansas, Brown commanded forces at the Battle of Black Jack and the Battle of Osawatomie.[1] Brown’s followers also killed five pro-slavery supporters at Pottawatomie.[1] In 1859, Brown led an unsuccessful raid on the federal armory at Harpers Ferry that ended with his capture.[1] Brown’s trial resulted in his conviction and a sentence of death by hanging.[1]
Brown’s attempt in 1859 to start a liberation movement among enslaved African Americans in Harpers Ferry, Virginia electrified the nation. He was tried for treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia, the murder of five pro-slavery Southerners and inciting a slave insurrection. He was found guilty on all counts and was hanged. Southerners alleged that his rebellion was the tip of the abolitionist iceberg and represented the wishes of the Republican Party to end slavery. Historians agree that the Harpers Ferry raid in 1859 escalated tensions that, a year later, led to secession and the American Civil War.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:38 am
Lefty, never seen an episode. Sorry to deflate you.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:39 am
KK, nice contribution.
I think Civil War is potentially looming.
December 16th, 2012 at 2:39 am
Btw, it’s been too long since I said again, how much i love all you regulars on this site.
The best, funniest, smartest, most interesting group of people.
December 16th, 2012 at 2:44 am
You are a very astute individual, GG.
December 16th, 2012 at 2:44 am
I guess I count myself as a regular now.
December 16th, 2012 at 2:49 am
Btw. Further on gun controls and breaking news…
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-us-appeals-court-strikes-down-states-concealedcarry-ban-20121211,0,7034171.story
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By Ray Long, Annie Sweeney and Monique Garcia Tribune reporters
3:32 p.m. CST, December 11, 2012
The state of Illinois would have to allow ordinary citizens to carry weapons under a federal appeals court ruling issued today, but the judges also gave lawmakers 180 days to put their own version of the law in place.
In a 2-1 decision that is a major victory for the National Rifle Association, the U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals said the state’s ban on carrying a weapon in public is unconstitutional.
“We are disinclined to engage in another round of historical analysis to determine whether eighteenth-century America understood the Second Amendment to include a right to bear guns outside the home. The Supreme Court has decided that the amendment confers a right to bear arms for self-defense, which is as important outside the home as inside,” the judges ruled.
“The theoretical and empirical evidence (which overall is inconclusive) is consistent with concluding that a right to carry firearms in public may promote self-defense. Illinois had to provide us with more than merely a rational basis for believing that its uniquely sweeping ban is justified by an increase in public safety. It has failed to meet this burden.
“The Supreme Court’s interpretation of the Second Amendment compelled the appeals court to rule the ban unconstitutional, the judges said. But the court gave 180 days to “allow the Illinois legislature to craft a new gun law that will impose reasonable limitations, consistent with the public safety and the Second Amendment as interpreted in this opinion, on the carrying of guns in public.”
David Sigale, an attorney who represented the Second Amendment Foundation in the lawsuit, called the decision by the appeals court in Chicago “historic.”
“What we are most pleased about is how the court has recognized that the Second Amendment is just as, if not at times more, important in public as it is in the home,” he said. “The right of self-defense doesn’t end at your front door.”
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Concealed-carry in Illinois, at last
In the opinion, Judge Richard Posner wrote that “a Chicagoan is a good deal more likely to be attacked on a sidewalk in a rough neighborhood than in his apartment on the 35th floor of the Park Tower.”
Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, a Democrat, is taking time to examine the ruling before deciding whether to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.
“The court gave 180 days before its decision will be returned to the lower court to be implemented,” said Natalie Bauer, Madigan’s spokeswoman. “That time period allows our office to review what legal steps can be taken and enables the legislature to consider whether it wants to take action.”
Illinois is the only state in the nation not to have some form of conceal carry after Wisconsin recently approved law.
“The (Illinois) legislature, in the new session, will be forced to take up a statewide carry law,” said NRA lobbyist Todd Vandermyde.
The lobbyist said prior attempts to reach a middle ground with opponents will no longer be necessary because “those compromises are going out the window.”
House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie, a longtime gun control advocate, said she hoped the state would appeal the ruling. But Currie also said lawmakers must “get cracking” on how to respond to the ruling and begin parsing its key points.
Currie, D-Chicago, said that “justices surely do not mean that we would have to have wide-open” laws in Illinois. She said Illinois must now look at what other states are doing, such as disallowing guns in day-care centers and other locations.
“If we need to change the law, let us at least craft a law that is very severely constrained and narrowly tailored so that we don’t invite guns out of control on each of our city’s streets,” Currie said. “I don’t want people out of control wandering the streets with guns that are out of control.”
Rep. Brandon Phelps, who has repeatedly sponsored concealed weapons legislation, hailed the measure as a “mandate.”
“The justices more or less said Illinois has a mandate to get something passed within 180 days… to pass a concealed-carry law in the state of Illinois,” said Phelps, a Democrat from Downstate Harrisburg.
“I never thought we’d get a victory of that magnitude,” Phelps said.
Phelps fought unsuccessfully in the House to pass concealed weapons legislation with a long set of restrictions, but he warned opponents of his legislation may regret they had not supported it when they had a chance. Now, he said, he “can’t see us” going forward with legislation that has as many restrictions as the bill that failed.
The prior bill largely limited carrying weapons to when a person was in a car, walking into a house and out on a sidewalk, and it specifically disallowed guns to be carried in churches, schools, gymnasiums, sporting events, bars and businesses, Phelps said.
He said no decision has been made on which restrictions in his previous legislation would be removed in a new bill.
Phelps warned that gun control groups who might want to appeal the issue to the U.S. Supreme Court might put strict laws in other states in jeopardy. He said he would consult with the National Rifle Association and the Illinois State Rifle Association.
A spokeswoman for Gov. Pat Quinn said the administration is reviewing the decision. The governor has previously said he was firmly opposed to any law allowing citizens to carry loaded guns in public. He threatened to veto previous attempts by lawmakers to pass legislation allowing concealed carry in Illinois.
Mayor Rahm Emanuel said through a spokesman that he was “disappointed with the court’s decision.” The city is reviewing the opinion and will work with others “to best protect the residents of Chicago and still meet constitutional restrictions,” Bill McCaffrey added.
“As the mayor has said all along, the City of Chicago is committed to maintaining the fullest degree of lawful handgun restrictions possible while still respecting the Second Amendment rights of law abiding citizens, because maintaining common-sense restrictions is an issue of public safety.”
December 16th, 2012 at 2:49 am
romania Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 2:44 am
You are a very astute individual, GG.
romania Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 2:44 am
I guess I count myself as a regular now.
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Yes and yes
December 16th, 2012 at 3:36 am
Rich Gannon’s franchise record of 4,689 yards was set in 2002.
Palmer has 3,805 yards in 13 games.
So Palmer needs 885 passing yards in the last 3 games (avg = 295 per game)
Anybody think he’ll get it ??
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I predict Pryor’s “special package” will never be seen this season. Today I think Palmer will throw for 305 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT’s (one of them in the 4th quarter) he will also be sacked 2 or 3 times and might fumble once
However – I think the Raiders Defense will force a few turnovers of our own and Darren McFadden will have a big day. Raiders win 24-10
December 16th, 2012 at 3:53 am
Rockstar, I read your posts all the time since you are one of the few on here who sometimes make sense.
What sense does it make to fire a general manager or a head coach after one year?
Isn’t that what Al used to do and isn’t that why we haven’t had a winning team in ten years?
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thanks ENGLAND!! the feeling is mutual bro
I’m not saying Reggie & Dennis should be fired. I’m of the opinion half the roster should be dumped and probably half the coaching staff too. Before you build, you have to have a solid foundation. No changes in Owner, GM or Head Coach. All 3 were rookies this year. A bunch of our players suck, so it bothers me when coordinators Knapp & Tarver say we need to retain as many of these players as possible. What is the reason for this epic failure? It’s either dumb, lazy, untalented players .. or it’s the system/scheme .. or the coaches. I think it’s a combination of all three
My comment about BigMac & Visor being “pathetic” was because they say they want to develop young players and see what they’ve got in Pryor, yet he’s still getting no reps and he’s still 3rd on the depth chart. The season has been over for 3 weeks now and we’re not gonna see all that Pryor has to offer in 5 or 6 plays over the course of an entire season. Even if Carson Palmer & Darren McFadden are your guys moving forward, why risk injury? You don’t want your key players spending half of the offseason in recovery or rehab. I think they are insecure about their job status and know if they lose all 3 games, Mark could decide to clean house and start over
December 16th, 2012 at 5:53 am
Raiders 25
Missouri 17
December 16th, 2012 at 6:02 am
This roster has been SOFT for years. The young players are BUST or boom players with tremendous flaws. The vets are garbage.
Clear out the remaining CHECK CASHERS like Kelly and Seymour – get Carson, DMAC, DHB and RoMac’s obscene and bloated contracts out of here.
You know you have a flawed roster when Routt and Wimbley were getting a combined $20 mil per year.
Did the team underperform? Sure. But the CEILING for this decrepit roster was 7 to 8 wins. That leaves u in the same place in January as 3-13. At least now there will be NO ILLUSIONS that some duct tape and an aging vet or 2 like Carson or Seymour will make the difference. This roster will be PRESSURE WASHED like it should be
Clean House! Build the lines And fire Knapp! He’s never succeeded as an OC.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:05 am
GG Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:09 am
He wants to see Pryor. There is such a thing as intimation. You don’t have to be Einstein to figure out the question that was asked of him about Pryor, and him stating he has an opinion, would like to see, smiling obviously, but also stating he does believe in Palmer.
Figure that out, it’s not hard. Since then, Reggie got the message. He then said, forced to say, yes i want to see Pryor to evaluate him, but its up to the coaches, not me. Hogwash, he’s the Chief of FO. Allen got the message and immediately started dressing Pryor. But three times now has not played him, and BSed with “if the situation presents itself, have packages, none presented” and been reported Pryor wasnt getting many if any reps still.
Allen is challenging Mark. Mark and Reggie are in cohoots. Mark is furious.
That’s how I SPECULATE it all. Based on bits and pieces. But it’s quite apparent Mark intimated he wants to see Pryor.
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well, that’s one take. but it seems a bit bent to fit ur agenda, which is u want to see pryor.
according to u, DA and reggie are going directly against what mark so desperately wants.
or if u see it another way, mark davis believes in palmer, and reggie and DA do too.
i see no evidence of mark being “pizzed” about pryor.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:07 am
WAY too much importance is put on pryor playing on this blog. i don’t think in reality, it’s nearly as close to the top of the list for the organization. sorry, but it’s true, based on facts an results.
pryor is simply no one’s priority except many in here.
pryor-ity. a new catch phrase.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
2rome-I didn’t fire HJ.I had no say in whether or not he returned or not.I would have liked to see him get another year.I hate the idea of changing coaches every year.I just refuse to say if we had kept him we’d have been this great team.1-4 the last 5 games when it really mattered last year isn’t forgotten,at least with me.BTW,did you feel the same way when Cable wasn’t brought back after he brought the team from a 5-11 record to an 8-8 record?
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All Hue haters ever talk about is 1-4 down the stretch, do they forget that Detroit Lions game where we had the game locked up? Do they forget the debacle at home against Denver where we were up 2 scores and in control of the game? do they forget the drive we gave up against Buff with the game on the line? do they forget in the finale against SD CP damn near threw for 500 yards and we couldnt force 1 punt? But yeah we’ll just remember 1-4 down the stretch. Haters with agendas period.
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Holla!
December 16th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Doc – Bob
I do believe you are right sir. I really think the management (except for Mark maybe) already have their mind made up about the “Pryor-ity” hes a gonner.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:16 am
They should build a monument to hues greatness in Oakland and call it “what if”
A bronze statue in front of the stadium where everyone can walk by and rub hues huge head and say “what if”
December 16th, 2012 at 7:16 am
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December 16th, 2012 at 7:23 am
Okay moderator got it!!!
The jist was dollor store on X-mas eve
Cant find no presents (coaches or players)
KK knowing the feeling Raiders = .99 cent store
December 16th, 2012 at 7:25 am
DAY OF RECKONING FOR D0A…
Nation..Pray for the following…If it happens likely we get our wish (most of us anyway)…DOA AND THE CLOWN COACHE CARDE—> GONE
leaving door open for Gruden is some capacity…
OR….as a compromise to Reggie…CCC STAYS but Gruden comes in as Prez of Football ops (ala GG’s theory)…
Either way, we, the lowly fans, win…
First however we NEED the following today (and over the next following weeks)…
BLOWOUT LOSS TO KC TODAY…WITH LOTS OF EMBARASSING MOMENTS….SOMETHING ON TE ODRER OF 33-9 SHOULD SUFFICE…
WITH…PIG HEADED D0A -NOT- GOING WITH PRYOR…MOSTLY THE LOSER STARTERS WE HAVE ‘ROLLED’ WITH…THIS IS KEY…NO excuses for DOA this way…and hes too DUMB to see this as his out….GOOD FOR US…BAD FOR HIM…
Then we need anothEr EMBARASSING presser by DOA and/or his CCC..post game BLAME GAME for everything including the Mayan Calendar about WHY 0AK played so badly…
Thats probably enough to get him gone (or bring in a president of football operations)…
However’just to be sure’…
I say we need 2 more DISSSAAASSSTERS on the field
28-0 vs Carolina (easy to serve this up given our awful D and fruitless O…plus its an east coast game)
Lastly…but by no means least…a NORF/RIVERS finale to be ‘proud’ of…I see a torch-fest…SD clowns will try to ’save’ NORF’s job (forget it)….In SD…with a demoralized 3-12 team KNOWING one more pudrid performance would get the CCC canned….
42-6…
So sad its come to this but this is my Christmas Raider wish for 2012…
December 16th, 2012 at 7:25 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:16 am
They should build a monument to hues greatness in Oakland and call it “what if”
A bronze statue in front of the stadium where everyone can walk by and rub hues huge head and say “what if”
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Yeah and they can be late putting it up (say 2 weeks after the season ends) kinda like they did when we picked our coaches and O coordinater. So that way it will be totally usless to us during the season
December 16th, 2012 at 7:32 am
To all the Allen-ites that say we can’t fire Tits after 1 year cuz it looks bad & nobody will want to come here. Keep in mind, the Chiefs fired Todd Haley at 5-8 ONE year after WINNING the division.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:32 am
SNB:
The BIG problem with what you wrote below is the recent presser…
The Clown Coach Cadre was on the record of saying…I gulp as i type..
“WE EXPECT (AND WANT) THE MAJORITY OF THE PLAYERS BACK NEXT YEAR…WE WANT TO KEEP THD GROUP OF PLAYERS WE HAVE NOW BACK IN 2013″
AR U FVQING KIDDING ME ??!!!
how do you reconcile that BULLSH!+?
You cant! the CCC must go!!!
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SNB said…
…This roster will be PRESSURE WASHED like it should be
Clean House!
December 16th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Fans have been screwed over for some time by inept management. I don’t blame them for being ticked off.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:40 am
madden
fire him, I don’t give a darn but that’s a weak excuse with haley.
KC has not gone through 8 coaches in the past decade.
They even threw a winning season or three in the mix unlike this team
December 16th, 2012 at 7:42 am
PFW says Mendenhall & Wallace will be leaving the Steelers. Think we would be interested in Wallace? Oh wait, he has too much speed, better keep Criner.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:46 am
tuckrulefool Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:32 am
SNB:
The BIG problem with what you wrote below is the recent presser…
The Clown Coach Cadre was on the record of saying…I gulp as i type..
“WE EXPECT (AND WANT) THE MAJORITY OF THE PLAYERS BACK NEXT YEAR…WE WANT TO KEEP THD GROUP OF PLAYERS WE HAVE NOW BACK IN 2013″
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TUCKRULE …”bringin’ it” on this fine Sunday.
I’m adding CLOWN COACH CADRE to my list of t-shirts i want made.
I gotta have the ‘I LOVE GREG KNAPP’ one asap. With his smiling face on it..and maybe a thumbs up.
It’s the irony i’m looking for of course.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:51 am
We got ten players in bowl pick em and after two games every single one of us is 2-0
I almost picked Nevada and switched at the last minute
December 16th, 2012 at 7:52 am
GOOD MORNIN’ JOHNNY!
Your T-Shirt list sounds awesome!
BTW…We should all get versions with our blog handles on them.
I plan to have a Tuckrulef00l version made up next year (maybe with 0.0 as a number)
This way when we go to games ..and see each other on the stadium beer line…we will know who’s who!
December 16th, 2012 at 7:53 am
The nation’s rushing leader, Ka’Deem Carey, gained 172 yards for the Wildcats and but fell short of becoming only the 16th running back in NCAA history to reach 2,000 yards in a season
He would be a great RB for the ZBS. He picked spots, waited for blockers and shot through holes all game
December 16th, 2012 at 7:57 am
I could only find 14
Barry Sanders Oklahoma State (1988): 2,628 (7.64 yards per carry)
Kevin Smith UCF (2007): 2,567 (5.70)
Marcus Allen USC (1981): 2,342 (5.81)
Troy Davis Iowa State (1996): 2,185 (5.44)
Ladainian Tomlinson TCU (2000): 2,158 (5.85)
Mike Rozier Nebraska (1983): 2,148 (7.81)
Matt Forte Tulane (2007): 2,127 (5.89)
Ricky Williams Texas (1998): 2,124 (5.88)
Larry Johnson Penn State (2002): 2,087 (7.70)
Byron Hanspard Texas Tech (1996): 2,084 (6.15)
Rashaan Salaam Colorado (1994): 2,055 (6.90)
J.J. Arrington California (2004): 289 2,018 (6.98)
Ray Rice Rutgers (2007): 2,012 (5.29)
Troy Davis Iowa State (1995): 2,010 (5.83
December 16th, 2012 at 8:02 am
dr_robert Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:07 am
WAY too much importance is put on pryor playing on this blog. i don’t think in reality, it’s nearly as close to the top of the list for the organization. sorry, but it’s true, based on facts an results.
pryor is simply no one’s priority except many in here.
pryor-ity. a new catch phrase.
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All it is..is guys latching onto ANY sort of option to generate some hope. However misguided it might be.
Ours is a demoralized fanbase right now for the most part, looking for anything.
We know that Pryor has the speed and size to do things to help us.
I think he’s a weapon we could use.
That 4th and one in Cincy?…if we gave the ball to Pryor on that with his 6′6 frame he mgiht’ve been able to simply reach over the top with ball in hand and gotten us that first. Then again…maybe not.
This staff has proved they don’t know everything. Understatement? Yes. Reece for example. It takes injury to get him in the game and he does very well. Coaches even admitted they were ’surprised’ at how effective he was.
Hey. I’m reaching for anything.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:07 am
tuckrulefool Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:52 am
GOOD MORNIN’ JOHNNY!
Your T-Shirt list sounds awesome!
BTW…We should all get versions with our blog handles on them.
I plan to have a Tuckrulef00l version made up next year (maybe with 0.0 as a number)
This way when we go to games ..and see each other on the stadium beer line…we will know who’s who!
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Great idea. Royalties of CLOWN COACH CADRE will go to you of course, and the “I Love Greg Knapp” shirts go to a charity that supports out of work used car salesmen.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:53 am
The nation’s rushing leader, Ka’Deem Carey, gained 172 yards for the Wildcats and but fell short of becoming only the 16th running back in NCAA history to reach 2,000 yards in a season
He would be a great RB for the ZBS. He picked spots, waited for blockers and shot through holes all game
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I really think the zbs is going away next yr. They will be voting on eliminating blocks below the waist during offseason with all the ’safety’ stuff going on.
This would effectively end the zbs as a viable scheme for ANY team.
The vote could go the other way, but i don’t think so.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:22 am
The Chiefs radio guy was on 95.7 making great points. He said one of the players told him that they missed Weiss. He said Weiss was the guy that made the “big difference” he was the one that put players in the position to make plays. He said that Charles, Cassell, Moeaki were pro bowl players in 2010 and now they are nothing.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:35 am
We talk about careful planning in regards to roster building, coaches etc. and how careful planning leads to championships etc. and all that’s true, but how much just simply comes down to luck.
Look at GB. Did they carefully plan of Aaron Rodgers? Nope.
Rodgers fell in their lap at # 22 in the draft. He could have easily gone to any other team. You could say he is the single most decisive factor in their success.
How about Brady? 6th rd. draft pick and arguably one of the greatest of all time? Is New England a supposed dynasty without him?
How much of a genius was Belichik before Brady?
I think Pats are good org w/o Brady, but THIS good?
Dumb luck with those org’s playing a major role.
I’d like to think we could get some too one of these days.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:47 am
we DO have tons of luck.
its just ALLL BADDDD….
December 16th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Today Palmer faces a gut check. If he has a pulse he will recognize that Pryor is being evaluated & the long term Implications of this move. Any time a qb does t win & turns the ball over like Carson has in his tryout season the. Is told to hit the bench for any snaps he should know his Tavel agent should be o. Speed dial.
What if Carson plays poorly like he has over this six game skid? Could he further erode the gm & owners confidence? What if Pryor makes a big play in his limited snaps, without even having he benefit of increases practice reps?
Pryor has a nance yo force his way onto the field & into a full honest competition for next season.
If I were knapp & Allen I would do everything in my power to prep pryor. If he does well & adds a spark it could quiet down the critics of knapp and Allen and justify their return & possibly even build excitement for the team. Ext year.
We already know Carson & knapp together have not delivered.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Today Palmer faces a gut check. If he has a pulse he will recognize that Pryor is being evaluated & the long term Implications of this move. Any time a qb doesnt win & turns the ball over like Carson has in his tryout season the. Is told to hit the bench for any snaps he should know to have his Travel agent on Speed dial.
What if Carson plays poorly like he has over this six game skid? Could he further erode the gm & owners confidence? What if Pryor makes a big play in his limited snaps, without even having he benefit of increases practice reps?
Pryor has a chance to force his way onto the field & into a full honest competition for next season.
If I were knapp & Allen I would do everything in my power to prep pryor. If he does well & adds a spark it could quiet down the critics of knapp and Allen and justify their return & possibly even build excitement for the team. Ext year.
We already know Carson & knapp together have not delivered.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:18 am
This is just stupid… STILL not practicing tp. Gonna give him a few obvious zone option plays that we wont be able to block.. god these coaches are dumb… and theyre already making excuses for us sucking next yr.. since we NEED the bulk of our players back… it takes a whole yr to learn our schemes…B.S!!!!!
December 16th, 2012 at 9:22 am
2012 the year of excuses , 2013 there are none
December 16th, 2012 at 9:22 am
1242.. good point johnny. No matter what anybody says the qb is your franchise.. you either have one or youre gonna struggle.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Not even Peyton Manning could be successful with the horrendous play of the WR’s, injuries decimating the running game, no defense and terrible coaching by Allen, Knapp and the rest of the staff. Carson has thrown a few picks but they are the result of him having to make lemonade out of cow$hit.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:30 am
You need a QB who has the “IT” factor not “INT” factor
December 16th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Peytons the oc in denver.. so yeah he would have been better than cp3 for us.. no krapp to fùck up last yrs O..
December 16th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Cp3 has been turning cowshìt into pet rocks.. bad trade
December 16th, 2012 at 9:45 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Not even Peyton Manning could be successful with the horrendous play of the WR’s, injuries decimating the running game, no defense and terrible coaching by Allen, Knapp and the rest of the staff. Carson has thrown a few picks but they are the result of him having to make lemonade out of cow$hit.
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Brees, Rivers, Romo, Luck, Eli, Ryan, and Dalton all have similar or worse numbers of Ints.
We are prolly the only franchise with fans whining non-stop about it.
It disgusts me.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:46 am
GG Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:54 am
van BANASZAK Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:45 am
Hue Jackson was the top “Football Guy” at the time of the CP trade. So, I think he deserves most of the blame. Hue pushed for it and Mark approved it.
I liked Hue….If JC did not get injured or a quality back-up QB was in place….I think the Raiders win the division last year.
It is too bad the JC injury happened less than a week before the trade-line. Why could it not have happend after?
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Yep, Hue gets blame for CP. He just shouldn’t have thrown away so many picks. He was going all-out FOR NOW, a playoff/SB run, for himself too, as well as Al mind you. But he blew it. Should’ve gotten Garrard etc for nothing. That way he can’t be blamed for finishing 8-8, can’t be mocked for the ‘greatest ever trade in football history’ comment, what a douche comment, and doesn’t back-fire on him in 2012/2013 and the Raiders not having needed picks, because he surely knew too the defense needed upgrading more.
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Garrard would have been the perfect guy. Not only is he better than Palmer, but we wouldn’t have had to give up picks or show JC such blatant disrespect. Too bad he was injured though. Needed back surgery.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Garrard would be the perfect guy now if we want to cut Palmer. We can have him here as either insurance while TP starts, or a great guy to play while we groom a future starter. A player twice as good as CP at less than half the cost. Like stealing!
December 16th, 2012 at 10:03 am
They are lucky theres still fans whining.. most fans are fairweather. Raider fans stick it out.. even thru dumbfùck trades and yrs of horrendous drafting..
December 16th, 2012 at 10:15 am
After Church today I will not be going to the game. I don’t want to see the Raiders lose, tho I think they should, and I don’t want to witness a meaningless win. I will read about the game later, but it will do me no good today. This season has messed me up. Messed me up bad. I am better off today with Church, family and friends. Good Luck today gentlemen and God Bless.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:16 am
#1256…Totally agree.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:19 am
D0A:
“I thought we had one of our better weeks of practice”
AWESOME. One less excuse for Allen to trot out once we get blown out in 3+ hrs or so….
DUMBA55….
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/allen-i-thought-we-had-one-our-better-weeks-practices
December 16th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Burton I hear you. Despite my predictions/wanting a blowout I cannot sit there and WISH for it while it is actually happening.
Your plan makes a lot of sense.
I will DVR it just in case Tp6 plays and plays well (ie actual hope for 2013).
Sadder state this franchise is in? 2006 looks like Arthur Fonzirelli Happy Days!
December 16th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Im so pissed that we missed the opportunity to evaluate the qb position. Should have stared tp for the final 3-4 games.. you cant evaluate him while he practices 10 mins a week with the 3rd stringers.. i cant imagine our 3rd string even running a play without a comedy of errors..
December 16th, 2012 at 10:29 am
foresight is easy. That’s why Hue should have gone after a RB and run the ball more.
DA was torn up in here for not being ready with a back up LS.
Hue did the same thing with the QB, a much worse offense
December 16th, 2012 at 10:32 am
The Denver defense looks better without Allen. And Baltimore isn’t letting Manning beat them.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:32 am
GG Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
I believe in Gruden to Oakland still.
I don’t believe Allen will play Pryor at all. Maybe at most give him the last 2 mins to kneel down and hand-off.
Which, will further infuriate Mark Davis imo.
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I hope it pisses him off. Im seriously getting pissed at this staff for the way they are mis-handling Pryor.
You dont get a better way to evaluate your young QB than the position we are in now. And if he works, then it equals job security for the HC as the owner wont want to mess up the kids development.
DA needs to get hitched on to Pryor’s wagon and not get left behind.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Marks Hair Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Im so pissed that we missed the opportunity to evaluate the qb position. Should have stared tp for the final 3-4 games.. you cant evaluate him while he practices 10 mins a week with the 3rd stringers.. i cant imagine our 3rd string even running a play without a comedy of errors..
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This is the absolute truth.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Marks hair Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Im so pissed that we missed the opportunity to evaluate the qb position. Should have stared tp for the final 3-4 games.. you cant evaluate him while he practices 10 mins a week with the 3rd stringers.. i cant imagine our 3rd string even running a play without a comedy of errors..
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Kinda makes you think that despite what Mark and Reggie said this INCOMPETENT STAFF already has their minds made up about TP^ future.
Sad state of affairs for my RAIDERS.
FIRE KNAPP and DA now!!!
Regression is unacceptable.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:36 am
A QB needs to have the tools to succeed. Knapp has not done that. CP spends the offseason working on his dime to sync with
December 16th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Marks Hair Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 10:03 am
They are lucky theres still fans whining.. most fans are fairweather. Raider fans stick it out.. even thru dumbfùck trades and yrs of horrendous drafting..
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That fan loyalty might wane over the course of the next few years. With Al not here anymore, it’s hard for the loyalists to stay latched on.
Mark needs to make his own mark and do it in a hurry. Our logo, colors, and other traditions are great and all, but the #1 Raider tradition is winning. And despite the fact that Al was horrible for 25 years, he did a good job of selling his mantra’s. He still represented that fire and will to win and that hope was enough for most fans.
We all knew, that whatever happened on the field, if we were unhappy, Al was probably twice as unhappy. And that calmed most and kept hope alive.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Our offense has TOOLS!!
DA and KNAPP
As a matter of fact I have never seen 2 bigger TOOLS!
December 16th, 2012 at 10:40 am
reggie best move his entire 1st season was cutting routt. thats how bad a year he’s had.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:44 am
I love how Tits holds players like Taiwann, D Moore accountable and say they need to do better, yet offers no criticism of his OC….Doublespeak!
December 16th, 2012 at 10:45 am
1221,if we had kept Hue and focused on the D,we would be a. Winning…b, cut Knapp, it would be a Merry Xmas….
December 16th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Hey Lefty, I did not want to ignore the question you asked about Cable. yes I supported Cable and I wanted Cable to remain as the Oakland Raiders Head coach when he went 8-8 with Hue as OC. My philosophy is I would Keep any Head Coach that obtained an 8-8 season unless his record regressed from the year before. I do not like the coaching change every year either and that is why I was upset when Mark and Reggie fired Hue after 1 year. Hue got the best out of his offensive talents when he took over.He would have bettered the teams defense. Just like he PROVED to bettered offense he deserved the chance to better the defense.
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Lefty12 Says:
December 15th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
2rome-I didn’t fire HJ.I had no say in whether or not he returned or not.I would have liked to see him get another year.I hate the idea of changing coaches every year.I just refuse to say if we had kept him we’d have been this great team.1-4 the last 5 games when it really mattered last year isn’t forgotten,at least with me.BTW,did you feel the same way when Cable wasn’t brought back after he brought the team from a 5-11 record to an 8-8 record
December 16th, 2012 at 10:51 am
We are so far below a level of competence of these other teams it is disgusting. Denver looks like World Beaters compared to us. Mark should be embarassed
December 16th, 2012 at 10:55 am
No 1st downs for the Ravens yet on 4 drives….Sure missing Tits there.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 10:51 am
We are so far below a level of competence of these other teams it is disgusting. Denver looks like World Beaters compared to us. Mark should be embarrassed
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And all because they signed a QB who has given them so much confidence. We need a leader, HC for starters.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Jaguars > Raiders
December 16th, 2012 at 10:59 am
We scrapped the bottom of the barrel for a coach and OC DC. Yeah I know all the reasons and excuses.
We should have got DelRio when we had a chance and we would have been way better off.
I said earlier its like going X-mas shopping on X-mas eve and wondering why you cant find anything worth a SHVT cause its all been picked over.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:01 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Garrard would be the perfect guy now if we want to cut Palmer. We can have him here as either insurance while TP starts, or a great guy to play while we groom a future starter. A player twice as good as CP at less than half the cost. Like stealing!
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Garrard is not nearly as good as Palmer, let alone “twice as good,” that’s the reason he gets paid peanuts. Bringing Garrard in would be the equivalent of bringing back the Josh McCown-Daunte Culpepper year. That’s basically where he’s at at this point.
Let me guess some of the other stop-gap guys you like for 2013:
- Vince Young
- Troy Smith
- Byron Leftwich
- Jason Campbell
- Donovan McNabb
- Joe Webb
Any others?
BTW, Carson Palmer is going to surpass 4,000 yards passing on the season today. The first time a Raiders QB has done that since Rich Gannon won the MVP award in 2002.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Weird, I just saw the Ravens double-team Von Miller…BTW, Tits was given that stud and he had a 24th ranked D.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:06 am
I’ve said since pre-season Pryor should have 3 to 5 plays that he is up to speed with the 1st team for short yardage and goal line situations. Nothing more. Anyone thinking Pryor is our ticket to greatness play too much Madden.
I’m guessing this green-horn coaching staff didn’t want to put big-boy pants on and deal with ANY sort of QB controversy, especially with DA coming fresh off the Tebow circus.
There is no reason a physical specimen like Pryor should be buried on the bench or not even suited up.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:06 am
We would have as much luck bring in Unitas, Hadle, Fouts or Terry Bradshaw LOL.
Our staff has an agenda and we are screwed unless some changes happen. Hear me Mark??
December 16th, 2012 at 11:08 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Weird, I just saw the Ravens double-team Von Miller…BTW, Tits was given that stud and he had a 24th ranked D.
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Funny how that is successful eh?
December 16th, 2012 at 11:09 am
It’s amazing that this Ravens team put up 55 on us….I hope you’re watching this game Mark. You can see how stupid this staff you hired is.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Denvers broken plays look better than our scripted plays. SAD!!!
December 16th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:08 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Weird, I just saw the Ravens double-team Von Miller…BTW, Tits was given that stud and he had a 24th ranked D.
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Funny how that is successful eh?
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He embarrassed Osemele(sp?) on a couple plays & they seem to get it…My only hope is the Pats win out cuz I want Denver to have to go there. I still think Belichek is in Manning’s head.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:11 am
This is what gets me.
How can Reg and Mark “not see this”?
December 16th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Gdog Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:06 am
I’ve said since pre-season Pryor should have 3 to 5 plays that he is up to speed with the 1st team for short yardage and goal line situations. Nothing more. Anyone thinking Pryor is our ticket to greatness play too much Madden.
I’m guessing this green-horn coaching staff didn’t want to put big-boy pants on and deal with ANY sort of QB controversy, especially with DA coming fresh off the Tebow circus.
There is no reason a physical specimen like Pryor should be buried on the bench or not even suited up.
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I agree with everything you wrote.
But none of the rational semi’s here think he’s the “savior” at the moment. We just want to see what we have with him. Nothing more.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Wish Stewart would have gotten more touches, now can’t even suit up so more 2yrd runs by Dmac. Enough excuses for Glass Legs, Adrian Peterson has a worse Qb and same crappy line and he straight balls. Dmac and Seymour way higher on my Sh&*t list than Palmer and Allen.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!
December 16th, 2012 at 11:13 am
I really wish Martian Head played for some team i did not hate cause he is fun to watch, maybe the best ever.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Really torn about this game today. On the one hand, I know that a loss enhances our draft position and is needed to improve the odds this coaching staff gets cleared out.
On the other hand, it’s hard for me to watch the game and not root for the silver & black. Plus I want to see guys like Palmer, DMC, Moore, DHB, Bryant, Houston, etc. do well and succeed.
So my heart is with these guys, but my head knows it’s far, far better if we lose out.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:17 am
#1290 I agree, he is a smart player. I think Marino & Elway were better personally.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Really torn about this game today. On the one hand, I know that a loss enhances our draft position and is needed to improve the odds this coaching staff gets cleared out.
On the other hand, it’s hard for me to watch the game and not root for the silver & black. Plus I want to see guys like Palmer, DMC, Moore, DHB, Bryant, Houston, etc. do well and succeed.
So my heart is with these guys, but my head knows it’s far, far better if we lose out.
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I hear ya but my heart is not with these idiots on staff and possibly Reggie.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Way to go Flacco, the dude is Jay Schroeder reincarnated and tits gets schooled by him…Ball game.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:19 am
JJ Watt is ridiculous. Basically the white Reggie White. He’s really THAT good. Just an unblockable force.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:19 am
I hear ya Chris NY
I want to know if DA is gone if we lose out? If that is the case lets lose out.
Hard to be a Raider fan this season, cause I always want to win.
To even have to question this speaks volumes about our coaching staff. FVCKERS!!!
December 16th, 2012 at 11:20 am
So much hype going into today’s game…not!
Guess Corky’s bailed on the season already too.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:20 am
The Baltimore RAIDERS look horrid today. HAHAHAHAHA
December 16th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Forgot about Houston, they need to win today and next week to make Dungver play week 1.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:22 am
I agree with everything you wrote.
But none of the rational semi’s here think he’s the “savior” at the moment. We just want to see what we have with him. Nothing more.
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The more you agree with me the smarter I think you are. lol
I would love to see what he has… same as players like Ausberry (anyone see that Myers is so far at the bottom of PFF’s run blocking amongst TE that nobody is even close to second worse?)
I honestly don’t think Knapp has a clue what to do with all this authority on offense beings DA is a defensive coach.
He’s choking on the responsibility.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:23 am
BlackSunday Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Wish Stewart would have gotten more touches, now can’t even suit up so more 2yrd runs by Dmac. Enough excuses for Glass Legs, Adrian Peterson has a worse Qb and same crappy line and he straight balls. Dmac and Seymour way higher on my Sh&*t list than Palmer and Allen.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!
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It seem’s Stewart has turned into the latest “Sterling Moore” of the team.
In the last decade we’ve had quite a lot of fringe players that the fan bases has latched on to for whatever reason. Moore, Stevie Brown, Nick Miller, and now Stewart.
Although, Stewart looks like a real talent. Im actually perfectly fine with moving forward with him as the starter for 2013.
Trade DMC. He’s too soft. If what Norco Bob is saying about him, he has no business with our team.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:23 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Way to go Flacco, the dude is Jay Schroeder reincarnated and tits gets schooled by him…Ball game.
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I still say the fake FG Baltimore ran on us when they were up like 50 was the low point in the season. And we just took it. At least when the refs stuck it to DA and company in Cincy the d-line lashed out and showed some ballz. But the Raiders just got punked in Baltimore, and truth be told, Baltimore is not that good of a team this year.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Having Pryor active on game day in itself, would have made D.Cords take into consideration the threat when planning against our offense.
Actually having Pryor line up next to Palmer and then splitting him out and going long, could have worked to stretch the field and as a decoy.
But no. lol
December 16th, 2012 at 11:26 am
true miami rue.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Adrian Petersen is everything DMAC coulda or shoulda been.
God we suck.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Gdog Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:22 am
I agree with everything you wrote.
But none of the rational semi’s here think he’s the “savior” at the moment. We just want to see what we have with him. Nothing more.
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The more you agree with me the smarter I think you are. lol
I would love to see what he has… same as players like Ausberry (anyone see that Myers is so far at the bottom of PFF’s run blocking amongst TE that nobody is even close to second worse?)
I honestly don’t think Knapp has a clue what to do with all this authority on offense beings DA is a defensive coach.
He’s choking on the responsibility.
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I dont need PFF to know what Meyers is in the run blocking game. Anyone that has read my contributions to this blog knows that Ive been calling out Meyers since week 3. He cant block. The film dont lie.
It’s funny too, because when Zack Miller was here, Meyers was our “blocking TE” and Zack was the receiving TE. And now Meyers is supposedly the guy with the best hands? Two dropped TD passes this year (one resulting in a INT) is all I needed to see. Im over him.
Ausberry has shown good promise. He should be getting a lot of playing time during this “evaluation” period. That is, if we were to actually have a “evaluation period”. The staff is completely wasting the opportunity with Berg’s, Pryor, and Aus. Which is weird considering they arent wasting it in checking out Bilikudi, Criner, and Streater. It’s head scratching.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:28 am
root for the win. i doubt reggia or DA will be gone. the best we can hope for is knapp is gone. they are setting up pryor to fail and i wouldnt be shocked if they only gave him one play or didnt play him at all.
also for all the smug semis who guarantee tp6 is not a good qb, i would have loved to hear your thoughts on all the rookie qbs prior to the season.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Adrian Petersen is everything DMAC coulda or shoulda been.
God we suck.
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Every time I see All Day score or Fitzgerald score…. I just cringe. Shoulda been our players.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:29 am
1282, suppose Mark Davis wants the relocation to La, losing make it any easier? Not sure what the agenda is, but why change the O when it was not the problem?
December 16th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Seymour Glen Bush 666 Debo Raider Duck, using your famous “Dungver” blast on a new alias.
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MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Forgot about Houston, they need to win today and next week to make Dungver play week 1
December 16th, 2012 at 11:34 am
You goons still talking Raider football? Sellout even! Sold my tickets to some idiot.
#3-13
Go Warriors!
December 16th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:23 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Way to go Flacco, the dude is Jay Schroeder reincarnated and tits gets schooled by him…Ball game.
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I still say the fake FG Baltimore ran on us when they were up like 50 was the low point in the season. And we just took it. At least when the refs stuck it to DA and company in Cincy the d-line lashed out and showed some ballz. But the Raiders just got punked in Baltimore, and truth be told, Baltimore is not that good of a team this year.
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Those 2 instances showed me what a true pu$$y tittyboy allen is, but when he smiled with Fox in Dungver that still is the low point for me. He showed he will never be a Raider that day.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:01 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Garrard would be the perfect guy now if we want to cut Palmer. We can have him here as either insurance while TP starts, or a great guy to play while we groom a future starter. A player twice as good as CP at less than half the cost. Like stealing!
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Garrard is not nearly as good as Palmer, let alone “twice as good,” that’s the reason he gets paid peanuts. Bringing Garrard in would be the equivalent of bringing back the Josh McCown-Daunte Culpepper year. That’s basically where he’s at at this point.
Let me guess some of the other stop-gap guys you like for 2013:
- Vince Young
- Troy Smith
- Byron Leftwich
- Jason Campbell
- Donovan McNabb
- Joe Webb
Any others?
BTW, Carson Palmer is going to surpass 4,000 yards passing on the season today. The first time a Raiders QB has done that since Rich Gannon won the MVP award in 2002.
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David Garrad?????? Seriously debo you should be band for that. Was that a joke? Not only is his shot, he probably couldn’t pass his physical.
I have an idea lets bring back Cunningham!
December 16th, 2012 at 11:37 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:35 am
We talk about careful planning in regards to roster building, coaches etc. and how careful planning leads to championships etc. and all that’s true, but how much just simply comes down to luck.
Look at GB. Did they carefully plan of Aaron Rodgers? Nope.
Rodgers fell in their lap at # 22 in the draft. He could have easily gone to any other team. You could say he is the single most decisive factor in their success.
How about Brady? 6th rd. draft pick and arguably one of the greatest of all time? Is New England a supposed dynasty without him?
How much of a genius was Belichik before Brady?
I think Pats are good org w/o Brady, but THIS good?
Dumb luck with those org’s playing a major role.
I’d like to think we could get some too one of these days.
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This would make sense if it weren’t for the hard evidence of games by Cassells and Flynn. Both show that the system and surrounding talent can make mediocre QBs look great.
Belichik’s skill is building an offense that is always stacked in OL talent and that fit his system. His passing scheme is complex and requires a QB that is superior in the skull first, physical skills second. Give a QB that can make the complex reads all the time in the world, and he will call the right adjustments to let guys like Welker and Gronk find the soft spots in the coverage all the time.
Current NFL QBs that would be Hall of Fame candidtates if they landed into Brady’s shoes: Fitzpatrick, Ryan, Schaub, Brees, Rodgers, Hasselback, either Manning, and yes Palmer. They all have the high football IQ to shred in that system. Most have better arms than Brady too so could make some of throws that he cannot.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Cant wait for the draft experts in here to get going in about 3 weeks. Nothing but pure comedy! Draft boards on their fridge, bathroom wall, dashboard, etc etc
DiKnight knows what I’m talking about right, Dik?
December 16th, 2012 at 11:42 am
The problem with the idea that “losing makes it easier to move to LA” is that LA won’t support a losing team, unless it’s brand new, the ‘retread Raiders in the middle of a rebuild that could take a decade are NOT getting the votes to move In there”…
December 16th, 2012 at 11:44 am
smh
Don’t even try and mask it anymore eh Peymour?
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MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:34 am
he smiled with Fox in Dungver
December 16th, 2012 at 11:46 am
It’s EMBARASSING to see teams with something to play for, when our season has been over for 6 weeks already…but it’s cool, cause DA and Reggie are doing a hell of a job.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:46 am
rudegruden Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:01 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Garrard would be the perfect guy now if we want to cut Palmer. We can have him here as either insurance while TP starts, or a great guy to play while we groom a future starter. A player twice as good as CP at less than half the cost. Like stealing!
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Garrard is not nearly as good as Palmer, let alone “twice as good,” that’s the reason he gets paid peanuts. Bringing Garrard in would be the equivalent of bringing back the Josh McCown-Daunte Culpepper year. That’s basically where he’s at at this point.
Let me guess some of the other stop-gap guys you like for 2013:
– Vince Young
– Troy Smith
– Byron Leftwich
– Jason Campbell
– Donovan McNabb
– Joe Webb
Any others?
BTW, Carson Palmer is going to surpass 4,000 yards passing on the season today. The first time a Raiders QB has done that since Rich Gannon won the MVP award in 2002.
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David Garrad?????? Seriously debo you should be band for that. Was that a joke? Not only is his shot, he probably couldn’t pass his physical.
I have an idea lets bring back Cunningham!
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How could you miss listing Tavaris Jackson? He’d be a Pro Bowler in Oakland!
What about Seneca Wallace? He’s available right now, and still in football shape after only being cut a few months ago.
As another option, maybe see what Akili Smith is up to. He may be up there in the years, but has low mileage on his body after being out of the league for so long.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:51 am
16 Meaningful Games isn’t a lot to ask for…
December 16th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Zymurge Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:37 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:35 am
We talk about careful planning in regards to roster building, coaches etc. and how careful planning leads to championships etc. and all that’s true, but how much just simply comes down to luck.
Look at GB. Did they carefully plan of Aaron Rodgers? Nope.
Rodgers fell in their lap at # 22 in the draft. He could have easily gone to any other team. You could say he is the single most decisive factor in their success.
How about Brady? 6th rd. draft pick and arguably one of the greatest of all time? Is New England a supposed dynasty without him?
How much of a genius was Belichik before Brady?
I think Pats are good org w/o Brady, but THIS good?
Dumb luck with those org’s playing a major role.
I’d like to think we could get some too one of these days.
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This would make sense if it weren’t for the hard evidence of games by Cassells and Flynn. Both show that the system and surrounding talent can make mediocre QBs look great.
Belichik’s skill is building an offense that is always stacked in OL talent and that fit his system. His passing scheme is complex and requires a QB that is superior in the skull first, physical skills second. Give a QB that can make the complex reads all the time in the world, and he will call the right adjustments to let guys like Welker and Gronk find the soft spots in the coverage all the time.
Current NFL QBs that would be Hall of Fame candidtates if they landed into Brady’s shoes: Fitzpatrick, Ryan, Schaub, Brees, Rodgers, Hasselback, either Manning, and yes Palmer. They all have the high football IQ to shred in that system. Most have better arms than Brady too so could make some of throws that he cannot.
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This is an interesting take. I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to minimize the accomplishments of a Tom Brady, but there’s probably more validity to this than many would be willing to admit.
Ultimately you can only judge guys on what they have actually done over the long haul. So Brady is for sure a slam-dunk Hall of Famer and has a place at the table in the conversation of best QBs of all time.
One thing you nailed was about the Pats’ offensive line. If you ever watch the Pats play it’s astounding how much time and how clean of a pocket Brady typically has to work with. They do a great job of pass protection and of mixing up their throws, getting off a ton of quick ones to Welker and Hernandez which frustrates the pass rush because they have no time to get there, and also taking their shots down field. Just an incredibly well orchestrated passing game.
With that in mind, if we can get the first pick in the draft, even though pass rusher is our biggest area of need, I don’t see many great pass rushers out there so I advocate drafting the Texas A&M LT, Luke Joeckel. I realize we already have Veldheer, but I say kick one of those two guys over to the right side. Then go out and upgrade the two G positions in free agency. All the experts say you’ve got to develop at least one thing you can hang your hat on. I say if we’re in a position to get Joeckel that one thing should be a stellar offensive line with a foundation of Veldheer-Wiz-Joeckel.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Here’s what Baltimore has done since hanging 55 on Tits.
Won a 3 point game at Pittsburgh against Bryon Leftwich
Won a 3 point game at SD where they converted a 4th & 29 on a dump to Rice
Lost at home to Pittsburgh with Charlie Batch
Lost at Washington to Kirk Cousins
Gonna get blown out by Dungver at home
And this is the team who hung 55 points on “our” squad.
Might wanna think about that Mark.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Joeckel shut down that LSU dude.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Dolphins just did a fake FG on Jacksonvilles 5 yd line and the holder tossed the ball 18 rows up away from the WR.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:55 am
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:46 am
It’s EMBARASSING to see teams with something to play for, when our season has been over for 6 weeks already…but it’s cool, cause DA and Reggie are doing a hell of a job.
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I had the feeling sitting in Oakland opening night that our season was over that evening.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Miller just drilled Flacco. Amazing crop of pass rushers in recent years: Watt, Miller, Aldon Smith, JPP, Clay Matthews.
Unfortunately for us, I don’t necessarily see a guy anywhere near that caliber in this year’s draft. Damontre Moore from A&M is probably the best of the bunch, but I tend to think he’s just OK and not elite. Maybe a 10 sack a year guy, not 20.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:57 am
MaddenRaidersadouchebag
Had the same feeling after we got wiped out by the Dolphins.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Miller just drilled Flacco. Amazing crop of pass rushers in recent years: Watt, Miller, Aldon Smith, JPP, Clay Matthews.
Unfortunately for us, I don’t necessarily see a guy anywhere near that caliber in this year’s draft. Damontre Moore from A&M is probably the best of the bunch, but I tend to think he’s just OK and not elite. Maybe a 10 sack a year guy, not 20.
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Does he look any less impressive than Tuck, Uminyiora, or JPP did in college?
I dont think so.
My point being, it’s going to take a couple B+ DE’s and then they will look like world beaters. All the guys you mentioned that are elite, also happen to play on some pretty talented teams.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Miller just drilled Flacco. Amazing crop of pass rushers in recent years: Watt, Miller, Aldon Smith, JPP, Clay Matthews.
Unfortunately for us, I don’t necessarily see a guy anywhere near that caliber in this year’s draft. Damontre Moore from A&M is probably the best of the bunch, but I tend to think he’s just OK and not elite. Maybe a 10 sack a year guy, not 20.
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I know which is why I wouldn’t be mad if they took the Utah DT or the A&M LT, but if they stay put & take T’eo, that would be beyond a mistake.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:34 am
You goons still talking Raider football? Sellout even! Sold my tickets to some idiot.
#3-13
Go Warriors!
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Bragging about being a lousy fan?
Knock yourself out bubba!
December 16th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Look at the record of the teams that Lew Us Out at the end of the season and we will look even worse than the horrendous beat downs…
December 16th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Look at the record of the teams that Lew Us Out at the end of the season and we will look even worse than the horrendous beat downs…
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Don’t worry knapp and tarver said things will get better next year.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
That is good I was worried we were gonna suck again next year.
At least now since Knapp said we will be better I feel better.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Cousins makin’ it look easy.
December 19th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
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