Final: Raiders 15, Chiefs 0
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, December 16th, 2012 at 4:17 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders snapped a six-game losing streak the old-fashioned way Sunday, dominating both sides of the line of scrimmage and riding five field goals by Sebastian Janikowski to a 15-0 win over the Kansas City Chiefs at O.co Coliseum.
It was Oakland’s first win since Oct. 28, also against Kansas City, and the first home victory since a 26-23 overtime win over Jacksonville on Oct. 21.
The Raiders improved to 4-10 in their home finale with a stifling defensive effort against a poor Kansas City team which fell to 2-12 and has the inside track on the top pick in the NFL draft.
It was the first shutout by the Raiders since a 24-0 win over the Chiefs in the 2002 regular-season finale, the year they won the AFC championship and advanced to the Super Bowl.
Janikowski converted 5 of 6 field goals attempts from distances of 20, 50, 57, 30 and 41 yards and also missed from 51 yards.
Quarterback Carson Palmer completed 18 of 29 passes for 178 yards but was unable to get the Raiders in the end zone despite playing most of the game with advantageous down and distance.
What the Raiders lacked the ability to turn yardage into touchdowns, they controlled the game and the clock in a game that was never really in doubt.
Running back Darren McFadden rushed for 110 yards on 30 carries to lead a 201-yard rushing attack, the Raiders’ biggest output of the season. Backup running back Mike Goodson contributed 89 yards on 13 carries.
Chiefs quarterback Brady Quinn often didn’t have time to throw _ he was sacked four times _ and was inept when he did have receivers in the clear. Quinn was 18 of 32 for 136 yards and one interception by Joselio Hanson.
The Chiefs didn’t record their initial first down until 5:30 remained in the first quarter, at which time Oakland already had 16 first downs. Running back Jamal Charles had just 10 yards on nine carries, accounting for all of Kansas City’s rushing yardage.
At halftime, the Raiders led only 9-0 on Janikowski’s first three field goals but had piled up a 198-17 advantage in total offense.
The Raiders looked to be headed into the half leading onl 6-0 after Janikowski missed from 51 yards away, but the Chiefs took all of 32 seconds to go three-and-out and give the Raiders the ball back with 56 seconds left from their own 9-yard line.
From there, quarterback Carson Palmer completed passes of 9 and 15 yards to Rod Streater and 7 yards each to Darren McFadden and Denarius Moore. A 14-yard strike To Brandon Myers with nine seconds left in the half enabled Janikowski to connect from 57 yards just before halftime.
The Raiders finish the season on the road with games at Carolina and San Diego.
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December 16th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
4 FG’s against the league’s worst team – BFD!
KNAPP MUST GO!
December 16th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
JB Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
so what have they accomplished today? Answer, absolutely nothing except they downgraded our draft pick & they know nothing further about TP6 in real play circumstances. This as all about DA’s self gratification and hadv NOTHING to do with what’s best for the team going forward. Pathetic! They just solidified my decision on no season tickets for next year.
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Yep.
Fvck you DA.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
When a loss is good, the Raiders win.
* Aristotle
December 16th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
This is what DA football is going to look like in the 5 years ahead.
Boring, running driven offense, kick azz physical defense.
Just hope that in the future it is against a tad better competition, lol.
Can we get an azzhole to fair catch a punt? Why is this still an issue?
December 16th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
And for the zillionith time, 3RD AND 1 RUNS DON’T WORK IN TODAY’S NFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy crap why must we continue with this? It doesn’t work for ANYBODY.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Look at it this way:
Before the season started we all felt like our new defensive minded HC would win his home finale in a low scoring shutout. Forget about what happened between then and now.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
When a loss is good, the Raiders win.
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Amazing. A-fvcking-mazing.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Great game for Janokowski.
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Man, sometimes you need to just stfu. Why even say things like that? When your FG kicker has a great game it means the offense didn’t do their job. Just because you say you watched the game for 60 years doesn’t mean you pay attention.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Bummer. Now we lose out on a top 3 pick and we probably keep the same inept coaching staff.
This day will bring us another year of bs football.
Go celebrate it you “real” fans!
December 16th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Check that, it’s worse – 5 FG’s against the league’s worst team.
PATHETIC!
December 16th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
When we beat the Chargers, we will have the same division record as last season.
Baby steps.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
When a loss is good, the Raiders win.
* Aristotle
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What kind of moron quotes himself, and adds that?
Didn’t you mean to say “azzhole”?
December 16th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
how can I hear romo and neal right now?
December 16th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
DAMC AND HIS FUCN 100 YARDS TODAY CAN TAKE THEM AND SHOVE THEM UP HIS ASSSSSS. 3RD AND 1 AND HE FAILED AGAIN AND AGAIN.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
JB Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
4 FG’s against the league’s worst team – BFD!
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Five, actually. 4 FGs does not equal 15 points. You have been discredited now. Thanks for playing.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
This is what DA football is going to look like in the 5 years ahead.
Boring, running driven offense,
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I doubt it.
I see a new play caller next year.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Trade DMAC!
December 16th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I don’t get this draft stock thing.
First off, we don’t even have a second round pick that would help that, so we are talking about ONE PLAYER.
Second, whether we pick 4th or 8th, decent chance the guy The Reggie wants might be there in either situation.
Win football games. That’s how you improve.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I told you, winning will just confuse the issue from here on out.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
You wouldn’t like what they are saying.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
FIRE KNAPP NOW and get a head start on a new replacement.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Roll Tide, hillrod
December 16th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
I see a new play caller next year.
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With the same vision of DA and today’s game.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Quit whining and enjoy your Victory Monday. There’s no appeasing some of these fickle fans
December 16th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
I’m so glad Condo was active today. He played a great game.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
I will say Reggie’s picks once again outperformed Al’s and hues picks
December 16th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
RaiderFan-N-KC Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Quit whining and enjoy your Victory Monday. There’s no appeasing some of these fickle fans
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Appeasing us would have been easy. Play TP.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Trestman in 13!
December 16th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Big Pep Says:
DAMC AND HIS FUCN 100 YARDS TODAY CAN TAKE THEM AND SHOVE THEM UP HIS ASSSSSS. 3RD AND 1 AND HE FAILED AGAIN AND AGAIN.
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The yards per carry don’t lie. Goodson is the better back. No question. But some of these Al Davis holdovers will never admit to another Drafter’s Remorse.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
You wouldn’t like what they are saying.
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Thanks for your input link please
December 16th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Condo es da debil
December 16th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
When losing is good. The Raiders win
- Sun Tzu
December 16th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Big Pep Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
The only reason I watched this game is in hopes of seeing TP play.
Fvck you DA.
If the media had any balls, they would roast him after the game.
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The media isnt going to do schyt, D.A. and the raiders did this to make more money today, and will continue to do so. fuc D.A. and his staff.
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True.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
BSJ = oracle of mcfelldown
December 16th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Add Dwayne Bowe to this offense next year and a starting OG in rd 3.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
When a loss is good, the Raiders win.
* Aristotle
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That’s fuk’n baloney.
* ENGLANDRAIDER.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Scourge Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
I’m so glad Condo was active today. He played a great game.
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And if he had played in week 1, we might actually be looking at 4-2 in the division – only losing to Peyton fkn Manning. That first game was a fkn special teams disaster without him.
I do have to blame that one on the coaching. You have to make sure a backup is ready for every position. Even the long-snapper.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
DMAC still under 4 ypc.
Goodson is the one with the sick ypc avg.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Big Pep Says:
DAMC AND HIS FUCN 100 YARDS TODAY CAN TAKE THEM AND SHOVE THEM UP HIS ASSSSSS. 3RD AND 1 AND HE FAILED AGAIN AND AGAIN.
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The yards per carry don’t lie. Goodson is the better back. No question. But some of these Al Davis holdovers will never admit to another Drafter’s Remorse.
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Bullsh!t. DMC was the leading rusher last year until he got injured. Shreg is creating his own Drafter’s remorse…fugging best rookie is a FA that caught 19 balls last year.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Yep, drat position doesn’t matter lol. Doesn’t give us an opportunity to trade down or anything!
Smh
This win builds nothing. If you think otherwise you are a moron.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
I see a new play caller next year.
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With the same vision of DA and today’s game.
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LOL!…Sure dude. His vision sucks!
December 16th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Denise Allen is a self serving biotch. The guy is so hoping an additional win or 2 will save him job, he totally disregards the future and player evaluations.
The gutless unimaginative coward played TP 3 plays, even though the game was over by the forth quarter. When he actually let TP play it was 2 freaking handoffs and a checkdown attempt. No creativity, no balls and totally inept.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Okay, we got a look at TP. Whoooohoooo.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Well said RaidingTex
December 16th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Back in 2009 everybody said trade dmac, blah blah blah. Knapp gets the axe, hue steps in and bam. Every run plan is such a slow developing play. If a new oc comes in and goes away from this crap scheme, all the haters will jump back on board. Trading dmac is the dumbest thing they could do.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
On the bright side Raiders rack up a season sweep on the hated Chiefs.
On the down side, we hurt our draft position and failed to score a TD.
Who would’ve thought we’d pitch a shutout…on ANYONE.?
December 16th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Dakota Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Yep, drat position doesn’t matter lol. Doesn’t give us an opportunity to trade down or anything!
Smh
This win builds nothing. If you think otherwise you are a moron.
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Ditto!
December 16th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
The Great Donkey Sabotage of 2012.
Make the team just bad enough to be a laughingstock, but win some games in the end to ….
a) ensure you come back for another year to complete the sabotage
b) get out of the top 5 draft pick
December 16th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Someone on the post game show on CSNCA just said what they saw from Pryor was what they expected after seeing him in practice.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
So we can float on top of the bottom dwellers!!
December 16th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
This is what DA football is going to look like in the 5 years ahead.
Boring, running driven offense, kick azz physical defense.
Just hope that in the future it is against a tad better competition, lol.
Can we get an azzhole to fair catch a punt? Why is this still an issue?
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Why is an issue?
Well, I believe it is becaue the Raiders, thanks to the last ten years of Al’s drafting, have a lot of players who are athletes but can’t play football.
Allen has actually pointed this out and said that the emphasis in the future will be on the reverse.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Derek Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Denise Allen is a self serving biotch. The guy is so hoping an additional win or 2 will save him job, he totally disregards the future and player evaluations.
The gutless unimaginative coward played TP 3 plays, even though the game was over by the forth quarter. When he actually let TP play it was 2 freaking handoffs and a checkdown attempt. No creativity, no balls and totally inept.
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Exactly. I cant defend DA on this one. He’s lost his last supporter.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Trade McFelldown for second round pick already! His stock will never be higher
December 16th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Hey a win is a win
- Dennis Allen
December 16th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Someone on the post game show on CSNCA just said what they saw from Pryor was what they expected after seeing him in practice.
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As in, little to no chances to show his worth.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Great game for Janokowski.
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Man, sometimes you need to just stfu.
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Great post Priest!
December 16th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Well, if today was any indication of the future TP will not be a Raider next year. Hate to beak it to you guys but its going to happen. What he is doing in practice is the reason you are not seeing him out there. And there is no reason for him not to be playing now. You didn’t even see him in garbage time ( which was pretty much the whole game). I was excited to see him get some time, who knows maybe next week. But as of now, it doesn’t look good for him.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
I cant defend DA on this one. He’s lost his last supporter.
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No he hasn’t.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Well, the game’s over, I’m surprised Beeech hasn’t popped in
December 16th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Man. Pittsburgh has to ruin my day by choking against Dallas.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
When a loss is good, the Raiders win.
* Aristotle
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What kind of moron quotes himself, and adds that?
Didn’t you mean to say “azzhole”?
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LMAO!!
Priest on a roll here!
December 16th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Mark Allen must have spent a grip buying unsold tickets. The coliseum looked like it had 35K in there today. Half of them probably came expecting to see alittle TP, but instead got a 5 FG stinker.
The average Knapp lead offense, no TD’s
Attendance will only get worse if DA sticks around. I really dislike that sissy.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Derek Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Denise Allen is a self serving biotch. The guy is so hoping an additional win or 2 will save him job, he totally disregards the future and player evaluations.
The gutless unimaginative coward played TP 3 plays, even though the game was over by the forth quarter. When he actually let TP play it was 2 freaking handoffs and a checkdown attempt. No creativity, no balls and totally inept.
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Yes he is. Winning is secondary to him. Proving his “system” and his coaches are right is more important.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Riff-no,as in throwing a 9 yd pass into the ground at a players feet instead of into the receivers arms.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Morilla Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Well, if today was any indication of the future TP will not be a Raider next year. Hate to beak it to you guys but its going to happen. What he is doing in practice is the reason you are not seeing him out there. And there is no reason for him not to be playing now. You didn’t even see him in garbage time ( which was pretty much the whole game). I was excited to see him get some time, who knows maybe next week. But as of now, it doesn’t look good for him.
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Exactly what has he shown in practice?
As far as we’ve been told, he’s with the 3rd team and rarely gets reps.
That is far from a honest evaluation.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
CVRaider Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Back in 2009 everybody said trade dmac, blah blah blah. Knapp gets the axe, hue steps in and bam. Every run plan is such a slow developing play. If a new oc comes in and goes away from this crap scheme, all the haters will jump back on board. Trading dmac is the dumbest thing they could do.
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Yup, that’s how brainwashed certain fans are due to this staff. They beat the worst fu**ing team in football and couldn’t score a TD….I’ve never been this pi$$ed off of a Raider win against the Chiefs.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
When the raiders suck, it is so much worse when the team winning the division is Denver.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Riff-no,as in throwing a 9 yd pass into the ground at a players feet instead of into the receivers arms.
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And Palmer has never done that?
Seriously, you are going to give him one chance and you think that is sufficient to pull him from the game?
December 16th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Derek Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Mark Allen must have spent a grip buying unsold tickets. The coliseum looked like it had 35K in there today. Half of them probably came expecting to see alittle TP, but instead got a 5 FG stinker.
The average Knapp lead offense, no TD’s
Attendance will only get worse if DA sticks around. I really dislike that sissy.
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Got news for ya, DA returning won’t sell tickets either. I’d have some respect for him if he would swallow some pride and attempt to hire Hue as OC.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
big pep Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
DAMC AND HIS FUCN 100 YARDS TODAY CAN TAKE THEM AND SHOVE THEM UP HIS ASSSSSS. 3RD AND 1 AND HE FAILED AGAIN AND AGAIN.
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Well, the truth here is that it is no point running McFadden down the middle. That isn’t going to happen most of the time.
Run him outside and he can really get some yards.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Face it Lefty, not playing TP has nothing to do with his play.
It has everything to do with our offense looking inept. And had TP gone in there and scored TDs, it would have created all sorts of issues for DA.
He doesnt want to see Pryor succeed. That is 100% evident in my eyes.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
I guess we really missed McClain today. LMAO.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
#54; a win is generally good, but after this disasterous season even late season wins can be counter productive. We fall back in the draft.
A win and playing time for the unknowns would have made the win worthwhile. Sticking with the starters the entire meaningless game was stupid and a another example of how worthless DA is as a head coach.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
I guess we really missed McClain today. LMAO.
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Ya. His trade value couldnt be any lower at this point.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
You and others are upset because someone YOU want to play isn’t playing.I’m saying there are reasons he isn’t playing.I don’t believe he is showing enough in practices to WARRANT any playing time.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Derek Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
#54; a win is generally good, but after this disasterous season even late season wins can be counter productive. We fall back in the draft.
A win and playing time for the unknowns would have made the win worthwhile. Sticking with the starters the entire meaningless game was stupid and a another example of how worthless DA is as a head coach.
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Abso-fvcking-lutely.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
big pep Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
DAMC AND HIS FUCN 100 YARDS TODAY CAN TAKE THEM AND SHOVE THEM UP HIS ASSSSSS. 3RD AND 1 AND HE FAILED AGAIN AND AGAIN.
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Well, the truth here is that it is no point running McFadden down the middle. That isn’t going to happen most of the time.
Run him outside and he can really get some yards.
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no give him a lead blocker and a pre designated hole and watch him rack up yards we saw a series in one game as if to proove something then it was gone
this staff is fvcked up and braindead
December 16th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
“I’m mad because the 3rd string QB didn’t get any reps”
-Whiny Fake Fan
December 16th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
I fkn hate Da cant win when the sht matters but wins when it doesnt matter and hurts us. Then this azz hole says Tp6 will play but doesnt know how much he will play? How the fk do you not know how much he will play when youre the HC??? Its your decision, you of all people should know how much he will play because its up to you!!! And another thing is he talks about “special packages” he has for tp but all he did was regular handoffs and 3 step drop. No option, no boots, no pistol just are same azz offense no special nothing. Maaaan I swear nothing will satisfy me more than hearing the news that the raiders have fired DA.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Even when we win we LOSE.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
This isn’t Priest bruh, it’s a fraud….
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ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
When a loss is good, the Raiders win.
* Aristotle
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What kind of moron quotes himself, and adds that?
Didn’t you mean to say “azzhole”?
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LMAO!!
Priest on a roll here!
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I haven’t posted since 3:30
December 16th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
The only reason I want Pryor to play is so we can end the ongoing blog delusion that a player who has taken 4 snaps in a two year career is somehow our savior.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
You and others are upset because someone YOU want to play isn’t playing.I’m saying there are reasons he isn’t playing.I don’t believe he is showing enough in practices to WARRANT any playing time.
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And I dont think that is the case.
I think that DA is trying to save his job, and save face at the same time.
We have everything to gain by playing TP. Are you going to argue otherwise?
And as the game wears on, and we continue to not score TD’s, it only makes it worse when or if TP scores a TD.
If TP fails, then fine, we know we can dump him. But that was hardly a fail on TP’s part today. That wasnt even a honest chance. That was DA patronizing Mark Davis.
If I was Mark I’d be furious right now.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Let me repeat this again:
Prior wanted to be a quarterback in college and every coach that saw him play said:
No, be a receiver.
Now Prior has played for two different head coaches and neither wants to start him.
That’s not necessarily the end for Prior. He may well be here next year.
As far as today?
You can’t tell anything from three plays and he’s playing with the same receivers as Palmer and they are just not that experienced.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Lefty,
Lets not start with untruths.
Pryor’s pass landed 2 yes behind DHB. Was hardly at his feet.
Might have arguably been too far in front of DHB, but it sure looked like DHB was half assing the route like on that 1st Palmer pass.
Just watched the play again a couple times.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Does anyone know if and what Romo and/or Neal had to say on the post game show.
I NEVER feel bad after a win, however this game taste nasty. There’s no satisfaction
December 16th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
If TP really is that bad, put him in, leave him in, and end the debate.
Refusing to play him or even practice him for that matter does nothing to help DA’s case that Pryor sucks.
We all watched the preseason. We saw him get better with every series. Thats all we have to go on and until we see more, DA looks like an ass for the way he’s handling this.
These games mean NOTHING. He leaves tons of REPEAT OFFENDERS in the game after their numerous mistakes. Yet TP gets one pass attempt and the jury is in on him? Fvck that.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
What many of you fail to acknowledge when you complain about not seeing players you want so you can evaluate them is the coaches see these guys everyday.The coaches are evaluating these players everyday.Whether you like the coaches or not,they have been doing this their whole lives.IMO,they know more than anyone making comments on this blog.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
I fkn hate Da cant win when the sht matters but wins when it doesnt matter and hurts us. Then this azz hole says Tp6 will play but doesnt know how much he will play? How the fk do you not know how much he will play when youre the HC??? Its your decision, you of all people should know how much he will play because its up to you!!! And another thing is he talks about “special packages” he has for tp but all he did was regular handoffs and 3 step drop. No option, no boots, no pistol just are same azz offense no special nothing. Maaaan I swear nothing will satisfy me more than hearing the news that the raiders have fired DA.
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Cuz he’s a POS
December 16th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Breathtaking win.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Face it Lefty, not playing TP has nothing to do with his play.
It has everything to do with our offense looking inept. And had TP gone in there and scored TDs, it would have created all sorts of issues for DA.
He doesnt want to see Pryor succeed. That is 100% evident in my eyes.
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I agree
December 16th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Correction since 4:06 was my last post the trolls have taken the place over so if you get anything from my moniker it’s your own fault if you react to it.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
What many of you fail to acknowledge when you complain about not seeing players you want so you can evaluate them is the coaches see these guys everyday.The coaches are evaluating these players everyday.Whether you like the coaches or not,they have been doing this their whole lives.IMO,they know more than anyone making comments on this blog.
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Judging by their ability to coach and manage, I don’t put a lot of stock in their ability to evaluate talent.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Breathtaking win.
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LOL!…I’m just glad at least we get to watch this creative offense at work
December 16th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
What many of you fail to acknowledge when you complain about not seeing players you want so you can evaluate them is the coaches see these guys everyday.The coaches are evaluating these players everyday.Whether you like the coaches or not,they have been doing this their whole lives.IMO,they know more than anyone making comments on this blog.
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Judging by their ability to coach and manage, I don’t put a lot of stock in their ability to evaluate talent.
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no Chit
December 16th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Then he comes out and brags how we got our first shutout in 10 years but its against the worst team in the nfl who was obviously trying to lose. They could have easily scored if they wanted to but went for it on 4th in the most odd situations. They passed up atleast 6 points. You shut them out because they threw the game DA not because youre a defensive genius fkn loser smh.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
#86; Pryor was something like 28-4 during his college career and by far one of the best college QB’s in the game during his time at Ohio State. Dude was a winner.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
505raiders Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
big pep Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
DAMC AND HIS FUCN 100 YARDS TODAY CAN TAKE THEM AND SHOVE THEM UP HIS ASSSSSS. 3RD AND 1 AND HE FAILED AGAIN AND AGAIN.
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Well, the truth here is that it is no point running McFadden down the middle. That isn’t going to happen most of the time.
Run him outside and he can really get some yards.
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no give him a lead blocker and a pre designated hole and watch him rack up yards we saw a series in one game as if to proove something then it was gone
this staff is fvcked up and braindead
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I get what you’re saying about the offensive line but running McFadden down the middle is a losing proposition in the long term.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
TP = project. Might be a good one, but we have greater needs.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
The only reason Pryor even has any trade value at all is that he doesn’t have a huge contract. I think it’s a little over $500k next year.
That may still be high enough that there won’t be any takers. If a team decides to take a flyer on him, chances are they’ll let him be waived and sign him as a free agent. One year deal at the minimum salary.
Regardless, he won’t be back next year. He obviously hasn’t shown anything in practice. Why would anyone think he’ll suddenly become Joe Montana in game action?
December 16th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
What many of you fail to acknowledge when you complain about not seeing players you want so you can evaluate them is the coaches see these guys everyday.The coaches are evaluating these players everyday.Whether you like the coaches or not,they have been doing this their whole lives.IMO,they know more than anyone making comments on this blog.
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Normally, I’d agree.
But in this SPECIFIC case, TP is not getting reps in practice. He’s the 3rd string QB. He’s sat on the bench for 2 years. He’s going to be rusty.
Let’s see, by all accounts he’s also a gym rat who works just as hard as Palmer does at learning the playbook and studying film.
Hell, Palmer got the flu and guess who also has it? His shadow, TP, which goes to show you how much time TP spends nipping at his heels.
DA isnt coaching for the future of this team, he’s coaching short term just to save his job. This shouldnt even be debateable.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Then he comes out and brags how we got our first shutout in 10 years but its against the worst team in the nfl who was obviously trying to lose. They could have easily scored if they wanted to but went for it on 4th in the most odd situations. They passed up atleast 6 points. You shut them out because they threw the game DA not because youre a defensive genius fkn loser smh.
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He said that?
December 16th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
this would have been the best game for pryor to play in and get his feet wet a loss doesnt hurt us and if he stinks it up then put in leinhart do some evals in game time
December 16th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Maybe they (the coaches) are thinking; why should we give TP playing time if our starters can’t execute our shetty offense, yet?
December 16th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Allen had to win his legacy game today. Just the way it is. Ugly win to say the least.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
They hardly allow these guys reps in practice. Tp said it and so has taiwan. They havent looked at them like you think. And instead of giving up on a guy you coach him up to try and makd him better.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
All the Madden-players are mad because they only got to see Pryor throw one pass like a high school QB… gosh, whoddathunkit?
December 16th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
The only reason Pryor even has any trade value at all is that he doesn’t have a huge contract. I think it’s a little over $500k next year.
That may still be high enough that there won’t be any takers. If a team decides to take a flyer on him, chances are they’ll let him be waived and sign him as a free agent. One year deal at the minimum salary.
Regardless, he won’t be back next year. He obviously hasn’t shown anything in practice. Why would anyone think he’ll suddenly become Joe Montana in game action?
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How bad did Pyror look in his first preseason game? Really bad.
How much better did he look when he took reps with the first team for the final game? Much better.
He works hard, he has leadership skills, he’s vocal, he’s mobile, and he shows improvement when given the chance. Those are all unarguable FACTS OF THE MATTER.
With those in mind, we have plenty of reason to want to see what he can do with a bit more practice and playing time. We’ve seen enough of Palmer to know exactly what we have. He’s our starter for 2013, so move on from that. We need to see what we have in TP for the future.
3rd team practice reps are not a fair assesment. I cannot imagine GB did this same BS routine with Aaron Rogers.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
If we would have gotten a 1st down Pryor wold have stayed in the game.As long as that drive was alive he plays.
OK,J Hill,but it still wasn’t a great pass.I just don’t agree in treating games that count like pre-season games,most of you do.IMO,a team should try and win every game,many on here don’t agree.Maybe next week he gets a little more time,we’ll see.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Maybe they (the coaches) are thinking; why should we give TP playing time if our starters can’t execute our shetty offense, yet?
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Fair question to ask.
But we arent trying to win games. Or at the very least, we shouldnt be trying to. So all that goes out the window. It’s time to evaluate our younger talent. We’ve seen what the DHB’s and Briesels of this team are capable of.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Breathtaking win.
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LOL!…I’m just glad at least we get to watch this creative offense at work
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Stunning HC and OC genius on display today. Knapp has once again proved his scheme can get us into FG range, albeit mid field, but none the less we do get into FG range. Absolutely stunning.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Post 104 yes he just said that on csn, “yea thats the first shutout weve had around here in 10 years.” His exact words.
December 16th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
well in the offseason this dumbass staff should have been looking for guys who can fvcking execute the scheme instead of trying to play it off
this year was a complete fvcking rebuild should have just taken the hit and cleaned house and they better do at the end of the last game
December 16th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
If we would have gotten a 1st down Pryor wold have stayed in the game.As long as that drive was alive he plays.
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So, by that rationale he has to play absolutely perfect in order to just get reps?
I so wish the rest of this team was held to that standard. Im talking about all the repeat offenders named DHB, DLess, Briesel, Meyers, and countless others.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
I just don’t agree in treating games that count like pre-season games,most of you do.
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I’m fine with Palmer playing.
Just that the coaches said they wanted to get a look at Pryor. I guess they were just appeasing the owner and GM?
If he’s stinking it up in practice, why give him any snaps at all?
December 16th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Post 104 yes he just said that on csn, “yea thats the first shutout weve had around here in 10 years.” His exact words.
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what a joke he is a dumbass
December 16th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
We bagged this game after we went up 3-0. Allen knew KC can’t score. Coulda at least given TP more time. Definitely not a players coach like Cable or Hue.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
If we would have gotten a 1st down Pryor wold have stayed in the game.As long as that drive was alive he plays.
OK,J Hill,but it still wasn’t a great pass.I just don’t agree in treating games that count like pre-season games,most of you do.IMO,a team should try and win every game,many on here don’t agree.Maybe next week he gets a little more time,we’ll see.
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He should get a whole fu**ing game…We’re gonna get beat the last 2 games unless he pulls out some miracles so just put them out there. Oh wait, Tits & staff hate it when they’re proven wrong.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
How can you stink it up in practice when dont get any reps?
How can you say you want to evaluate him and then demand that he must keep every drive alive in order to stay in the game?
If Mark Davis is at all happy about today’s BS than we have no hope for this franchise.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
When a loss is good, The Raiders win
- Sun Tzu, The Art of War.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Allen had to win his legacy game today. Just the way it is. Ugly win to say the least.
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1. What legacy game since the season was over before the game started and he was just looking at the potential of the players he had?
2. There is no such thing as an ugly win. If you win, you fuk’n win! Isn’t that why you play the game?!
December 16th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
If we would have gotten a 1st down Pryor wold have stayed in the game.As long as that drive was alive he plays.
OK,J Hill,but it still wasn’t a great pass.I just don’t agree in treating games that count like pre-season games,most of you do.IMO,a team should try and win every game,many on here don’t agree.Maybe next week he gets a little more time,we’ll see.
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He should get a whole fu**ing game…We’re gonna get beat the last 2 games unless he pulls out some miracles so just put them out there. Oh wait, Tits & staff hate it when they’re proven wrong.
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That is exactly it. They dont want to be proven wrong. So with that they will do whatever they can to put TP in a situation that he is least likely to succeed in.
This is coaching politics 101. They are in job security mode now. Logical football sense has gone out the window.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Post 104 yes he just said that on csn, “yea thats the first shutout weve had around here in 10 years.” His exact words.
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LOL! Ranks right up there with Cable saying “We’re not losers anymore”
December 16th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Post 104 yes he just said that on csn, “yea thats the first shutout weve had around here in 10 years.” His exact words.
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Quinn and KC dude. Wake up.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
You and others are upset because someone YOU want to play isn’t playing.I’m saying there are reasons he isn’t playing.I don’t believe he is showing enough in practices to WARRANT any playing time.
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I’m usually in agreement with you Lefty but not on this one. You may be right that in his limited touches in practice he may not be setting the world afire. There’s was nothing to lose by letting him play a significant, if not all, time today. This was a totally meaningless game. If he’s really that bad then cut his a$$ and let’s move on and get another developmental QB. Winning today did us more harm draft position wise. We’ve probably lost 5 spots. That could have far reaching implications. This was the perfect opportunity to give all of our back-ups meaningful playing time. DA’s presser right now is causing me to want to puke. He obviously doesn’t get the big picture. He’s just trying to save his own a$$ and it wasn’t really in any jeopardy.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
The crowd at the game in the Oakland/Alamdea County Coliseum deserves a lot of credit today.
In a game that meant nothing, they were really loud!
December 16th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
#90; Lefty: Denise Allen has been a disater as coach, yet he expects patients and additional opportunities.
Pryor who DA controls gets no patients and no time, even though he showed improvement during every preseason game he played.
DA is worse than Jamarcus Russell. I’m willing the beat Pryor is better than both. However that will be hard to confirm as it appears this nontraditional QB makes DA uncomfortable. You can’t run a vanilla program with an athelic freak of a QB like Pryor.
Shannarat divised systems to take advantage of his QB as did Harbaugh. DA not being in their league could NEVER be that imaginative. His lack of imagination has been the primary reason for the drop off in teams performance
December 16th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
JB Says:
DA’s presser right now is causing me to want to puke. He obviously doesn’t get the big picture. He’s just trying to save his own a$$ and it wasn’t really in any jeopardy.
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Ding ding ding. We have a winner.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Gdog you soind ridiculous because even bill romo and lo neal are saying the same thing about tp, are they madden players? So stfu.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Derek Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
#90; Lefty: Denise Allen has been a disater as coach, yet he expects patients and additional opportunities.
Pryor who DA controls gets no patients and no time, even though he showed improvement during every preseason game he played.
DA is worse than Jamarcus Russell. I’m willing the beat Pryor is better than both. However that will be hard to confirm as it appears this nontraditional QB makes DA uncomfortable. You can’t run a vanilla program with an athelic freak of a QB like Pryor.
Shannarat divised systems to take advantage of his QB as did Harbaugh. DA not being in their league could NEVER be that imaginative. His lack of imagination has been the primary reason for the drop off in teams performance
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Spot fvkcing on!
December 16th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Maybe they (the coaches) are thinking; why should we give TP playing time if our starters can’t execute our shetty offense, yet?
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Fair question to ask.
But we arent trying to win games. Or at the very least, we shouldnt be trying to. So all that goes out the window. It’s time to evaluate our younger talent. We’ve seen what the DHB’s and Briesels of this team are capable of.
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I believe what I said before, they aren’t sold on T.P’s talent and will use his preseason “highlights”, in hopes it could reel in some value for an eventual trade. Playing him now, will might compromise that. Or, he’s the next Aaron Rodgers that runs a 4.4 and they don’t want the asset to be injured.
All I could think of. Lol
December 16th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Wow, glad I stayed away from this game – a 3pt extravaganza! Add to that a minimum dosage of TP – and I mean minimum lol. I thought Reggie and team wanted to see this guy in action? Doesn’t look like the kid is really getting a fair shot – just a side show to sell tickets, keep fans potentially interested.
It something when even a win can look that bad. lolol. Just say thanks to DA & Co. These guys are clueless.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
If TP really is that bad, put him in, leave him in, and end the debate.
Refusing to play him or even practice him for that matter does nothing to help DA’s case that Pryor sucks.
We all watched the preseason. We saw him get better with every series. Thats all we have to go on and until we see more, DA looks like an ass for the way he’s handling this.
These games mean NOTHING. He leaves tons of REPEAT OFFENDERS in the game after their numerous mistakes. Yet TP gets one pass attempt and the jury is in on him? Fvck that.
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thats what im talking about
December 16th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
The crowd at the game in the Oakland/Alamdea County Coliseum deserves a lot of credit today.
In a game that meant nothing, they were really loud!
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They were screaming at Allen and knapp
December 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
What is funny is you guys say Allen is trying to win to save his job.While this is true,every coach coaches to save their jobs.But then you say the reason Pryor doesn’t play is because Allen is afraid he will be too good and score all these TDs.Here is my question-If he is coaching to save his job and knows playing Pryor will result in a better offense,why wouldn’t he play him-it makes no sense?
December 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Ive been DA’s biggest defender on this blog next to McFadden20….
Why? Because the evidence said he deserved to be defended.
But Im not glued to this idiot. If he fvcks up, Im going to call him on it. And he’s royally fvcking up this TP situation.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
I was unsure of myself but I will go with *might compromise…final answer.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Wow, glad I stayed away from this game – a 3pt extravaganza! Add to that a minimum dosage of TP – and I mean minimum lol. I thought Reggie and team wanted to see this guy in action? Doesn’t look like the kid is really getting a fair shot – just a side show to sell tickets, keep fans potentially interested.
It something when even a win can look that bad. lolol. Just say thanks to DA & Co. These guys are clueless.
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Holla!
December 16th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
What is funny is you guys say Allen is trying to win to save his job.While this is true,every coach coaches to save their jobs.But then you say the reason Pryor doesn’t play is because Allen is afraid he will be too good and score all these TDs.Here is my question-If he is coaching to save his job and knows playing Pryor will result in a better offense,why wouldn’t he play him-it makes no sense?
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Why wouldnt he play him? Because he doesnt want a QB controversy on his hands. He doesnt want to have to answer the question as to “what took so fvcking long” considering the season has been over for several weeks.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
The crowd at the game in the Oakland/Alamdea County Coliseum deserves a lot of credit today.
In a game that meant nothing, they were really loud!
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They were screaming at Allen and knapp
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LOL.
I’ve done some screaming at Knapp myself in his two appearances with the Raiders.
The problem may not be his game plan but it’s definitely his play calling.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Raiders Win… People are pissed… Raiders get a shutout … People are pissed …
MCFadden breaks 100 yards rushing … People are pissed….. Raiders break 6 game losing streak…. People are pissed…. Raiders beat a division Foe … People are pissed….
And you know if all this had turned out the opposite people on this site would be pissed…..
No win situation here …..
December 16th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
How can you stink it up in practice when dont get any reps?
How can you say you want to evaluate him and then demand that he must keep every drive alive in order to stay in the game?
If Mark Davis is at all happy about today’s BS than we have no hope for this franchise.
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Amen brotha!! and this is me…
December 16th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
It seems obvious that the decision has been made that Pryor has no future here.
With that in mind, there is zero reason to play him. All that can happen is that any trade value he has will evaporate if he’s on film running around looking lost.
No team is going to game plan trying to appease a few hundred delusional fans.
The decision has been made. Get over it.
If he’s got anything, we’ll all see it in the future with another team.
But, no matter how many fans think this coaching staff are nothing but idiots, there is no way they would give up if there was a chance that they could end up having the next great Raider QB on the roster.
These guys do football for a living. They know better than we do that their future is tied to the product on the field. If he had IT, they’d be falling all over themselves to be the staff that brought it out of him.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
And I would absolutely love to be proven wrong. It’s been decades since we’ve had a homegrown star QB….
December 16th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
we aint gonna get sh!t for tp in a trade his value is if he can play or at least making progress no one goimg to trade for a little preseason action
December 16th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Fingers Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Raiders Win… People are pissed… Raiders get a shutout … People are pissed …
MCFadden breaks 100 yards rushing … People are pissed….. Raiders break 6 game losing streak…. People are pissed…. Raiders beat a division Foe … People are pissed….
And you know if all this had turned out the opposite people on this site would be pissed…..
No win situation here …..
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Do you really believe that?
We all tuned in because we thought their was no way TP wouldnt get at least a quarter of play.
And he got one pass attempt. That is why we are pissed. One pass attempt in a game in which our offense couldnt do schit. Had we been up against a real team, we’d have been blown out again.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says: December 16th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Jackie Bibby Says: December 16th, 2012 at 4:59 pm Post 104 yes he just said that on csn, “yea thats the first shutout weve had around here in 10 years.” His exact words.
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LOL! Ranks right up there with Cable saying “We’re not losers anymore”
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Ranks even higer imo. This guy is a straight circus clown. Smh
December 16th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
What is funny is you guys say Allen is trying to win to save his job.While this is true,every coach coaches to save their jobs.But then you say the reason Pryor doesn’t play is because Allen is afraid he will be too good and score all these TDs
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LOL.
Doesn’t make much sense does it Lefty?
They reckon that Allen is a head coach who doesn’t want to play a guy who’s going to score touchdowns!
December 16th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
draft picks are overrated, just win baby
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No only when the Raiders draft someone are they overated. When another team drafts they actually get talent then develope it
December 16th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Riff, your 2 is welcomed.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
I just want almost this whole regime gone. I would be willing to give Reggie a few more years with limited authority, but can most of this coaching staff. Do it as soon as the seasons over. Like many in here have pointed out a good staff would include rehiring Hue to run the offense and going with Del Rio possibly to run the defense. Get this thing back on track. Get these frugasies outta here.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Riff…. No everybody…. I watch or attend all the games…. Been doing it since 1970…. So yes.. I believe that…. I don’t just watch cause they might play one player… I’m a a raider fan …if they were 0 & 14 I’d have watched….. And I’d hoped they won…
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December 16th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
It seems obvious that the decision has been made that Pryor has no future here.
With that in mind, there is zero reason to play him. All that can happen is that any trade value he has will evaporate if he’s on film running around looking lost.
No team is going to game plan trying to appease a few hundred delusional fans.
The decision has been made. Get over it.
If he’s got anything, we’ll all see it in the future with another team.
But, no matter how many fans think this coaching staff are nothing but idiots, there is no way they would give up if there was a chance that they could end up having the next great Raider QB on the roster.
These guys do football for a living. They know better than we do that their future is tied to the product on the field. If he had IT, they’d be falling all over themselves to be the staff that brought it out of him.
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I agree with everything youve said.
But TP hasnt been given any sort of real chance to show his worth. You say a decision has been made and we should get over it, but what have they based that decision on?
On his limited 3rd team reps? The limited reps of a admittedly raw QB project with LOADS of potential and work ethic.
Yeah, that’s a real good evaluation process right there. They’re showing some true patience. Jeezus. I hate to say it, but how is it that Al Davis looks like the patient one compared to these jerk-offs? Al game Jamarcuss a million chances to grow into his position and Jamarcuss didnt show half the work ethic TP has shown.
Meanwhile I’ve been plenty patient with this coaching staff. All I ask is that they give the same patience to our younger players that are showing that will to be great. If they are going to honestly tell me Pryor doesnt have the tools or potential to at least warrant evaualtion, then they are total fvcking morons.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
You guys are basing your opinions on Pryor on emotion instead of thinking things out and using logic.If he was all some say he is you can bet your a$$es he’d be on the field.No coach would sit a future star if he could help him win,except Al Davis but he wasn’t a coach when he did it.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Bring the Oreo cookies!
Why didn’t we kick the last field goal, ? Madden would
I wanted a Bloody nose!
December 16th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
#133: DA is a piss poor evaluator of talent. He hire Knapp and Tarver. He did’nt have confidence in Reece until he was the last man standing. He ignores Ausberry and 2 TE sets. He has shown an inability to maximize player talents or even identify them.
I challenge you to note anybody who’s talents DA has identified or maximized. He stuck with Knapp long after it was confirmed he was a clueless slug.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
There was no way we were going to lose this game, look at who we were playing against at QB.
It’s not unreasonable to want to see a kid who has everyone entrigued the media the fans and even his own teammates. Palmer even wants to see the kid play but NOT the coaches………lol
If you are interested in the future of this franchise to not want to see if we have something special that can be developed is moronic. Mark Davis and Reggie ought to be beside themselves with what they did to that kid. It was more of an embarrassment than anything.
But Lefty12 didn’t want to see the kid anyway for the next 3 years he doesn’t want the kid in there. So is it a surprise he’s pleased with what happened.
If pryor leaves this team and goes elsewhere they will regret it for years but it will be too late. They do not wish to develope players drafted by the previous GM. They feel it’s a waste of time no matter what the upside is……………period
December 16th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
the logic is finding out in game time can he handle the game can he play in this league should we keep him around can he be the future qb ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
December 16th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
You guys are basing your opinions on Pryor on emotion instead of thinking things out and using logic.If he was all some say he is you can bet your a$$es he’d be on the field.No coach would sit a future star if he could help him win,except Al Davis but he wasn’t a coach when he did it.
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Nah, these guys are idiots. Just look at how long it took them to incorporate Reece. And even when they did, he wasn’t properly used imo. 4-10 should not be a record that gains your support.
This is an amazingly stubborn staff when it comes to almost everything: personnel, game planning, you name it. Absolutely no imagination whatsoever.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I’m a Raider fan…. Not a Pryor fan…. That said… If Pryor had been the starter for the raiders today I’d hope he did well and the team won….
This team still has players that hope to return next year…. It’s important they play well and give they’re best effort…..their was way more reasons to watch today’s game than Pryor….like all the other players
December 16th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
If TP really is that bad, put him in, leave him in, and end the debate.
Refusing to play him or even practice him for that matter does nothing to help DA’s case that Pryor sucks.
We all watched the preseason. We saw him get better with every series. Thats all we have to go on and until we see more, DA looks like an ass for the way he’s handling this.
These games mean NOTHING. He leaves tons of REPEAT OFFENDERS in the game after their numerous mistakes. Yet TP gets one pass attempt and the jury is in on him? Fvck that.
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I hear you Riff, I mentioned the practice thing because it has been the only reason so far that he’s not out there. He should be. He should have played the whole second half.
Can a coach be that stubborn? Does he have alterior motives to not play him? Because it seems that way. Seems they know what system they want to build and he doesn’t fit it.
Pretty lame if thats the case. I just don’t get it. Let him play.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
If you want to see what we have in Pryor watch this game coahced by a real HC in Harbaugh. I know most will laugh but IMO Pryor is better than Kaepernick yet we may never see it here. Because we’re to busy letting Palmer play out the string. So Raider fans this is where we are as an org. at this point.
It’s up to Mark Davis to rescue this team from this damn double agent and get it into the hands of a real coach who is a real Raider. Instead of this double agent fraud.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Riff,how and when are most players evaluated?In Practice.As they get better they move up the depth charts.Yet you are all upset because a guy who has been on the team 2 full seasons and is still at the bottom of the depth chart isn’t allowed to play in meaningful games.If he was the 3rd string LT would everyone be biotching because he wasn’t getting any meaningful playing time?
December 16th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Defense came back. Now let’s do it again.
Now, fire Knapp !!!
Make our Dreams come true!
December 16th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
These numbskulls are married to a ’system’ …a BAD system at that. They preach the system all the damn time. Man, play your talents ..maximize the talent you have by building a system around THEM not YOU!
December 16th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
A system should work for players not coaches. These guys are azzed backwards.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
ok, so no TDs, against KC nonetheless, and we see TP for 3 plays, in a drive that was derailed from the beginning with a false start.
Why no let him start over again in the next drive with a fresh set of downs and no penalties? it’s like he was just put in to shut the people up that are asking to see if he can play in this league. A complete waste of time if you ask me.
Then to have no TDs? that is just pathetic. they had good field position for pretty much the whole game, were able to move the ball, and yet no TDs. Our redzone offense is like a teenage virgin boy going limp right before he is about to enter the hole.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
The fact that DA and co are stuck on 1 style of play is maddening. They cant adjust at all. Theyll rather lose their way then win another. Fkn pricks. No coaching versatility what so ever. Getem outta here.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Morilla Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
If TP really is that bad, put him in, leave him in, and end the debate.
Refusing to play him or even practice him for that matter does nothing to help DA’s case that Pryor sucks.
We all watched the preseason. We saw him get better with every series. Thats all we have to go on and until we see more, DA looks like an ass for the way he’s handling this.
These games mean NOTHING. He leaves tons of REPEAT OFFENDERS in the game after their numerous mistakes. Yet TP gets one pass attempt and the jury is in on him? Fvck that.
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I hear you Riff, I mentioned the practice thing because it has been the only reason so far that he’s not out there. He should be. He should have played the whole second half.
Can a coach be that stubborn? Does he have alterior motives to not play him? Because it seems that way. Seems they know what system they want to build and he doesn’t fit it.
Pretty lame if thats the case. I just don’t get it. Let him play.
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Agreed.
I think a coach can be that stubborn. Stubborness is normally a prerequisite quality of being a good coach. But it can bite you in the ass too.
Alterior motive? Yep. But it has nothing to do with Pryor. It’s not like DA is out to get the kid. It has nothing to do with TP but rather DA’s own job security. He’s gotta show he can coach this team to wins. He’s no longer coaching as if he plans on being here the next 3-4 years. He’s coaching as if he’s trying to survive to next offseason. It’s dead obvious.
He’s got two more games to get TP some legitimate run. But Im not banking on it. DA has shown me his cards on this matter. There was no better chance to get TP into a game that he could be honestly evaluated and DA passed it up despite the wishes of the owner.
Hell, Palmer doesnt even mind if TP gets some time. Nobody BUT dennis allen seems to be against seeing the kid get extended playing time.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Pryor doesn’t get first team snaps in practice. Therefore, nobody knows what he has? Really?
What is he doing during practice? Cutting the grass on field 2? Painting the goalposts?
He’s not running the scout team as a QB? Not running QB drills? Not throwing?
Stop already….
December 16th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Priest,I’m getting sick and tired of you saying what I feel and want.You don’t have a phucking clue as to what I want and what would make me happy.You love that biotch Harbaugh.You love Kapernick.You hate this Raider team.You’d rather root for the whiners.Go root for them.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
you just dont put in your 3rd string qb over your starter when has that ever happened your starter has to go down like bledsoe and brady but we are in meaningless times so why not i ask you
December 16th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Riff,how and when are most players evaluated?In Practice.As they get better they move up the depth charts.Yet you are all upset because a guy who has been on the team 2 full seasons and is still at the bottom of the depth chart isn’t allowed to play in meaningful games.If he was the 3rd string LT would everyone be biotching because he wasn’t getting any meaningful playing time?
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First of all, our own GM, Reggie McKenzie said himself, he needs to see Pryor in a game in order to really evaluate him. So scratch your practice theory.
Second of all, he hasnt been on the team 2 full seasons. He’s been on the team just over 1 full season.
3rd, Im just as pissed to not see Bergstrom get playing time also. And if it wasnt for trying to increase DMC’s trade value, I’d be complaining about not seeing Stewart also.
Im going to say this one more time and hopefully you get it…. 3rd string QB’s DONT GET REPS!
YOU THINK THE PACKERS KNEW WHAT THEY HAD IN KURT WARNER? No they didnt. The Rams didnt know what they had either. Not until he got in a game did ANYONE know what he had and he was a HOF caliber QB! Case closed.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
IF TP doesn’t fit the system DA is trying to build then why not play him now and try to build his trade value. There’s no point in keeping him around if then letting him go for nothing. This games are meaningless now, evaluate your team and players by seeing them in game time play.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Everyone of us should blog -FIRE KNAPP
PUT PRYOR . We want Bloody nose finishes.Don’t stop while There’s time left!
December 16th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
And Warner didn’t get into a game until the starter got injured and they had to play him.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
FIRE KNAPP and DA ASAP
December 16th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
And Warner didn’t get into a game until the starter got injured and they had to play him.
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Yep.
And Dick Vermiel was a damn good coach.
Talent gets overlooked all the time in this league. Nick Saban passed on Drew Brees in Miami and instead he signs with New Orleans. You think he doesnt regret that move?
December 16th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
REGGIE didn’t you say you wanted to see Pryor, were is he!
Beam me up Scott, There’s no Intelligence life in OAKLAND !
Tomorrow start firing Offensive people!
December 16th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Derek Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
#133: DA is a piss poor evaluator of talent. He hire Knapp and Tarver. He did’nt have confidence in Reece until he was the last man standing. He ignores Ausberry and 2 TE sets. He has shown an inability to maximize player talents or even identify them.
I challenge you to note anybody who’s talents DA has identified or maximized. He stuck with Knapp long after it was confirmed he was a clueless slug.
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Streater
December 16th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
“C2E Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Derek Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
#133: DA is a piss poor evaluator of talent. He hire Knapp and Tarver. He did’nt have confidence in Reece until he was the last man standing. He ignores Ausberry and 2 TE sets. He has shown an inability to maximize player talents or even identify them.
I challenge you to note anybody who’s talents DA has identified or maximized. He stuck with Knapp long after it was confirmed he was a clueless slug.
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Streater”
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McClain. Definitely maximized his value to the team. Addition by subtraction. Even if it’s about a year too late.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
reggie found streater
December 16th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
he said “identified or maximized”…i say DA did that with Streater
December 16th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
I’ll say this 1 more time and possibly you’ll get it.I’m not saying Pryor isn’t good.I’m not saying he might be the future.I am saying if the team thought he gave them a better chance to win,he’d be playing.I am saying,IMO,meaningful games is not the time to evaluate your 3rd string QB.Practice,off-season workouts,and pre-season game is when you do that.That is my opinion.You have a different one.Unlike a lot on here, I don’t think you are stupid or ignorant because my opinion is different than yours.We just disagree.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Sf vs. ne, two teans with great offenses who switch it up and are capable of more than 1 style of football.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
hes all he had i wouldnt say identified or maximized anything
streaters ok better than dhb only cuz he can catch with his hands
December 16th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
505raiders Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
hes all he had i wouldnt say identified or maximized anything
streaters ok better than dhb only cuz he can catch with his hands
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we’re all pizzed at the state of things, but give credit where credit is due. streater’s got game and should be starting.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Finally this defensive front seven displays pressure in the back field HOLDS J.Charles a 12hundred and something yards running back to just 16..
BUT they lose there 1st pick of the draft spot.
But they with Knapps horrific mindless scheme
s/play calling ONCE AGAIN ACCOMPLISHED TO SCORE 0 touchdowns in the red zone against a dysfunctional defensive unit.
But DA proves that his mouth & mind is controlled by Knapp. by not unifying Pryors skills in a more efficiently an productive package such as a Bootleg or any mobile scheme unlike. what he has designed for CP .. He’s not CP so your not gonna get a productive performance out of TP by using him for pocket passing ..
THEY WON THE GAME… BUT IF AN HOPEFULLY .OH I’M PRAYING IT’S AN IF.. THE LACK OF SCHEME AND MOTIVATION ON OFFENSE IS BECAUSE REGGIE MAC IS LETTING DA AND KNAPP FAIL SO BADLY THAT THERE WILL BE NO ARGUMENT WHEN HE PULL THE PLUG ON KNAPP ALLOW DA TO RUN THE TEAM BUT BRINGS IN A PROVING OC TO MOVE FORWARD WIT IN 2013..
And the Oakland Raiders trades there 2013 #5NFL draft choice to STL for there # 14(I believe maybe 15) & 2nd round #15
December 16th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
I agree with those who want Knapp gone.
I disagree with those who want Pryor to play. It doesn’t matter. Pryor will never make it as an NFL qb.
December 16th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
no murphy no ford streater out played criner and he stepped up i dont think da identified or maximized streaters talents hes too stupid
December 16th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
streater has 28 catches 425 yards and 3tds, can we not over hype him yet
December 16th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
When we start winning roster moves and stupid coaches decisions make us lose.
Watch next week or the other, how we start losing ¡
December 16th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
lefty12 Says:
IMO,meaningful games is not the time to evaluate your 3rd string QB.
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Tell that to Vermiel with regards to Warner
Or Bellicheat with regards to Brady
Some guys are just gamers. They need reps. They need game time. Pryor has the potential to warrant a fair shot, of which, he isnt being given.
I dont know what we are to expect of a guy when we dont practice him. In the time that he got to practice with the 1st team guys, he ate up the Lions in the preseason. So to say he hasnt earned regular season game time in a 4-10 season is ludacrous.
We will never know what he is if he’s never played. He won 31 games at OSU in 3 seasons for gods sake.
This is not about opinion as much as you’d like to argue it is. The Brady and Warner examples are proof of that.
And please dont tell me these are meaningful games. They are only meaningful to the staff that is trying to keep their jobs.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
streater has 28 catches 425 yards and 3tds, can we not over hype him yet
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THey have to, it’s the only thing Reggie has done right this year.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
3 plays for pryor, what a joke but exactly what i expected. we couldnt even get in the end zone against KC. KC executed their gameplan perfectly. lose the game, lock up a top 3 draft pick and get the last place schedule.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Goldson is a play’uh!
December 16th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
505raiders Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
big pep Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
DAMC AND HIS FUCN 100 YARDS TODAY CAN TAKE THEM AND SHOVE THEM UP HIS ASSSSSS. 3RD AND 1 AND HE FAILED AGAIN AND AGAIN.
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Well, the truth here is that it is no point running McFadden down the middle. That isn’t going to happen most of the time.
Run him outside and he can really get some yards.
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no give him a lead blocker and a pre designated hole and watch him rack up yards we saw a series in one game as if to proove something then it was gone
this staff is fvcked up and braindead
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I get what you’re saying about the offensive line but running McFadden down the middle is a losing proposition in the long term.
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Yeah let’s build around a R.B. that can’t play 16 fucn games. So we can say how elite he is when ” he’s healthy”
December 16th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Priest,I’m getting sick and tired of you saying what I feel and want.You don’t have a phucking clue as to what I want and what would make me happy.You love that biotch Harbaugh.You love Kapernick.You hate this Raider team.You’d rather root for the whiners.Go root for them.
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Lefty12, you have repeatedly said he needs to sit 2-3 years and doesn’t need to get in the except for preseason games. Am I lying or did YOU say that??
Be honest!
December 16th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Riff-the only way Brady and Warner got on the field was the starter got hurt.Neither played until the guy in front of them got hurt.Both were back-ups not 3rd string.Terrible comparisions.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
I have read your commenst about Pryor man I and everyone else have read them. You don’t think he should play you’ve been saying it all year and all damn day how can you say I don’t know unless all those post were not YOU!
December 16th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
First time poster here. Just wanted to point out that TP should be getting plenty of practice time this week. He’ll get his chance to make the coaching staff(and 1’s on defense) look like either fools or geniuses when he impersonates Cam Newton on the scout team this week. That’s if the coaching staff is smart enough to use him in this capacity.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Raider (since 1967
★★★★★★★
Can they find the formula for winning after losing 10 yrs = 100+ loses ?
Don’t think so. THESE GUYS ARE TUMBLE WEEDS !
December 16th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Good point Bcrdr
I’m sure Pryor has run plenty of scout team work this season. And I’m sure, based on observations from people THERE, that Pryor continues to throw passes inaccurately while making bad reads, as he did through pre-season.
Yet “fans” here will say it’s some huge conspiracy as to why the coaches don’t want him out there making us look even WORSE
December 16th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
wasnt going to be any easier than this week for the raiders to get a win and play pryor
December 16th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Is this the time to remind many of the people screaming for starting lineup changes, it wasn’t that long ago that every Al-hater of the nation was screaming for Jano to be cut?
They now seem silent about the issue…
December 16th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
I agree with those who want Knapp gone.
I disagree with those who want Pryor to play. It doesn’t matter. Pryor will never make it as an NFL qb.
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Regarding Pryor, if true then fine, cut him now. Why is he on the roster at all if he has no future here. I agree with what Dakota said earlier, let’s end this debate on him as a developmental QB of the future. If h’s bad get rid of him. If he has some ability he needs to be #2 QB next year. Right now all he rates is a question mark. Make a decision right wrong or indifferent. Just do something other than sit around with your thumb up your a$$ blowing smoke up ours.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Riff-the only way Brady and Warner got on the field was the starter got hurt.Neither played until the guy in front of them got hurt.Both were back-ups not 3rd string.Terrible comparisions.
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Why terrible examples?
They are perfect examples of where EXCELLENT coaches have EXCELLENT QB’s buried on their depth chart and they dont even know it. It happens to the best of them.
It doesnt matter the injury circumstances. The fact is, they had the talent to win in this game and if they were never played, they never would have had a chance to show it.
We have a perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed but DA is keeping it alive for his own self serving job preservation. It’s dumb.
It’s not like Im whining about Bruce Campbell never getting his shot. We’re talking about a top 5 pick if he’d never been kicked out of school.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
That is what I said and that is what I believe.The exception is mop up or garbage time.But you say I wouldn’t be happy if he showed he was something special and that is an out an out LIE.As long as he wears the Silver and Black I would hope he turned into the greatest QB in the history of the game.If he leaves I don’t give a rats a$$ about him.Unlike you and most others on here,I root for the TEAM,not just individual players.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
208…. exactly. Lets end the debate.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Signing Bowe as FA would tremendously help off-set the loss of our 2nd round pick.
Draft Gino Smith (top-15 QBs have proven the most franchise-changing picks, and one of the safest).
Go 3-4 D and take your edge rushers from the easier 3rd/4th round fast OLB tweeners (Ravens/Texans/Steelers).
December 16th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
So the GM who has access to practice everyday says he needs to see pryor play in a game to evaluate him fairly. But some Semis in here are so sure Pryor wont pan out. LMAO
December 16th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
That is what I said and that is what I believe.The exception is mop up or garbage time.But you say I wouldn’t be happy if he showed he was something special and that is an out an out LIE.As long as he wears the Silver and Black I would hope he turned into the greatest QB in the history of the game.If he leaves I don’t give a rats a$$ about him.Unlike you and most others on here,I root for the TEAM,not just individual players.
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Im not questioning your fandom.
And I know that yorue rooting for the team. Which is why you should be in favor of TP getting some run. That is the TEAM thing for DA to do. He shouldnt be sacrificing TP’s development for his own job securities sake.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
The Pryor DEBATE is only being DEBATED by schmucks like us on the INTERNET.
Within the Raiders organization (last year AND this year AND with NFL GMs and Scouts during his draft)…
there is no debate. He sucks. Why he was passed on 60+ times despite being the ONLY player in the draft.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
The Pryor DEBATE is only being DEBATED by schmucks like us on the INTERNET.
Within the Raiders organization (last year AND this year AND with NFL GMs and Scouts during his draft)…
there is no debate. He sucks. Why he was passed on 60+ times despite being the ONLY player in the draft.
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maybe I read wrong but I thought Reggie said he needs to see pryor play to evaluate him
December 16th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Fingers Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Raiders Win… People are pissed… Raiders get a shutout … People are pissed …
MCFadden breaks 100 yards rushing … People are pissed….. Raiders break 6 game losing streak…. People are pissed…. Raiders beat a division Foe … People are pissed….
And you know if all this had turned out the opposite people on this site would be pissed…..
No win situation here …..
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LOL
We just pissed about the season.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Alex 7
Geno Smith will be long gone before our new now picking position. We may have dropped 5 spots or more and that BIG. It’s not just 5 spots worse on the #1 pick but worse on EVERY pick we have.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
So the GM who has access to practice everyday says he needs to see pryor play in a game to evaluate him fairly. But some Semis in here are so sure Pryor wont pan out. LMAO
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Lefty’s not certain Pryor wont pan out. He isnt even saying he has an opinion.
All Lefty, and others, are saying is that they trust what the staff is seeing in practice and trust that the staff has seen enough of TP.
And I counter with saying that 3rd string QB’s dont get reps. They dont have crap to evaluate him on. The actual tape they have is 3 seasons & 31 wins at OSU, and a decent preseason. Heck, lets compare Pryor’s preseason to Kapernicks and tell me Harbaugh wouldnt be playing Pryor if he was our coach.
TP has done nothing but work his butt off since getting here and say EVERYTHING exactly the way we’d want our QB to say it. I dont know what more people want from him at this point.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Raiders’ defense dominated and Knapp almost gave the victory to Kansas City.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
The Pryor DEBATE is only being DEBATED by schmucks like us on the INTERNET.
Within the Raiders organization (last year AND this year AND with NFL GMs and Scouts during his draft)…
there is no debate. He sucks. Why he was passed on 60+ times despite being the ONLY player in the draft.
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How many teams passed on Colin Kapernick?
How many teams passed on Tom Brady?
They are leading the two best teams in the league right now. Turn your TV on and watch.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Riff-the only way Brady and Warner got on the field was the starter got hurt.Neither played until the guy in front of them got hurt.Both were back-ups not 3rd string.Terrible comparisions.
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Why terrible examples?
They are perfect examples of where EXCELLENT coaches have EXCELLENT QB’s buried on their depth chart and they dont even know it. It happens to the best of them.
It doesnt matter the injury circumstances. The fact is, they had the talent to win in this game and if they were never played, they never would have had a chance to show it.
We have a perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed but DA is keeping it alive for his own self serving job preservation. It’s dumb.
It’s not like Im whining about Bruce Campbell never getting his shot. We’re talking about a top 5 pick if he’d never been kicked out of school.
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They know what you’re talking about no 3rd string QB gets this muh attention unless he did something to deserve. What we saw in preseason is why the interest exist but people prefer to play dumb. Pryor excited fans and media with his play and he was an outstanding talenyt in college we stole him and the coaches have buried the kid so they could have an excuse not to play him. That is just my humble opinion. The HC the double agent is self serving bonehead. I’ve never hated a coach before this guy. His decisions are just flat out moronic. How they can even dream of bring this guy back is beyond me. But I bet they will…
December 16th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
So the GM who has access to practice everyday says he needs to see pryor play in a game to evaluate him fairly. But some Semis in here are so sure Pryor wont pan out. LMAO
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Lefty’s not certain Pryor wont pan out. He isnt even saying he has an opinion.
All Lefty, and others, are saying is that they trust what the staff is seeing in practice and trust that the staff has seen enough of TP.
And I counter with saying that 3rd string QB’s dont get reps. They dont have crap to evaluate him on. The actual tape they have is 3 seasons & 31 wins at OSU, and a decent preseason. Heck, lets compare Pryor’s preseason to Kapernicks and tell me Harbaugh wouldnt be playing Pryor if he was our coach.
TP has done nothing but work his butt off since getting here and say EVERYTHING exactly the way we’d want our QB to say it. I dont know what more people want from him at this point.
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didnt DVD look really good in practice, where was his shot..
December 16th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
You don’t know if he would have been a top 5 pick.Come on.If he would have been a top 5 pick there is no way he lasts as long as he did in the supplemental draft.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
From what Ive seen out of Kapernick, there is nothing that kid is doing that TP cant do, if not better.
Kapernick has the same mechanics issues.
Fvck this is maddening. Im gonna blow a gasket if TP doesnt play a full game before the year is out.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
lol RR
why compare our guy to Brady? He’s the ultimate all time OUTLIER.
why compare to Kaepernick? He was a HIGH 2nd round pick, and didn’t go 1st round because he’s from tiny NEVADA and ran a lot.
Pryor, at HUGE OSU, was TERRIBLE vs solid D’s. He sucked.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Niners up on the stinking cheatin’ Pat’s 7-0 even though they have dropped a couple of snaps to stop drives. This will be a great game harbaugh and the boys want to get this one bad I say they do. Hate the Pats.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
FACTS:
Reggie and DA talk about our BACKUP TEs and KNOW there’s not much there. They SEE enough in the limited reps these BACKUP TEs get in practices.
They see PRYOR just as much (scout team, backup reps) as they see Ausberry and Gordon.
THEY KNOW. Talking Pryor up helped sell some tickets to today’s dismal game. Come on. Coaches and GMs all through the league KNEW Pryor belonged at TE or WR.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
The double agent will never give him a full gamethe only wya he will is if the double agent is fired…………period
December 16th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
RR
you’re not a scout. What you “see” doesn’t matter.
What the SCOUTS saw was a borderline 1st round QB in Kaepernick, but unsure because of Nevada schedule.
What the SCOUTS saw in Pryor convinced them he was a TE project, and not worth a pick in the first 60 picks even though HE WAS THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE DRAFT.
Pryor = more INT than TD vs Miami, USC, Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State and Iowa State.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
didnt DVD look really good in practice, where was his shot..
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Thats it,I’m done.The guy started last year.You guys can argue all you want.I can’t take anymore.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Guys watch a real coach with a brain…….who knows how to get the best out of his talent. Until we get a HC who’s competent we will be at the bottom losing mostly scoring rarely.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
FACTS:
Reggie and DA talk about our BACKUP TEs and KNOW there’s not much there. They SEE enough in the limited reps these BACKUP TEs get in practices.
They see PRYOR just as much (scout team, backup reps) as they see Ausberry and Gordon.
THEY KNOW. Talking Pryor up helped sell some tickets to today’s dismal game. Come on. Coaches and GMs all through the league KNEW Pryor belonged at TE or WR.
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I figured every coach & GM in the league knew that we were not a zone blocking team, nor was DMC a ZBS back, but hey Allen still has the “it” factor.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Our coaches don’t have what it takes to utilize Houdini’s strengths. Knapp – “you teach what you know”
December 16th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
THE DEFINITIVE PRYOR EXPERIENCE!!
vs and completion%:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Arkansas 56%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
(also, more INTs than TDs)
CREAM PUFFS:
Ohio Bobcats – 75%
Marshall 68%
Eastern Michigan (don’t laugh) – 76%
Indiana – 80%
Purdue 72%
Minnesota 81%
Don’t tell me YOU DON’T NOTICE ANYTHING.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Who is the double agent?
December 16th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
RR
you’re not a scout. What you “see” doesn’t matter.
What the SCOUTS saw was a borderline 1st round QB in Kaepernick, but unsure because of Nevada schedule.
What the SCOUTS saw in Pryor convinced them he was a TE project, and not worth a pick in the first 60 picks even though HE WAS THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE DRAFT.
Pryor = more INT than TD vs Miami, USC, Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State and Iowa State.
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The same scouts that saw nothing in Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, and countless others.
And the same scouts that saw something in Jamarcuss, Leaf, Couch, and countless others.
It’s not a science. Nothing tells the truth like actually playing. They have a prime opportunity to get him some playing time and they arent. And it has NOTHING TO DO with his abilities or lack thereof. It’s clear it has everything to do with them trying to keep their jobs. They should be fired just on principle.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
December 16th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Guys watch a real coach with a brain…….who knows how to get the best out of his talent. Until we get a HC who’s competent we will be at the bottom losing mostly scoring rarely.
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Tell me about it. I hate this staff. Nobody was even near DA when they won. He wasn’t too excited either, but hey he got us our first shutout in 10 years where the Chiefs went for it on 4th down in the red zone.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
I would rather defeat Kansas City than have a higher draft pick, every week, season, offseason; same goes for division opponents Denver and San Diego.
Raiders narrowed the gap of Kansas City’s overall record over us.
We also learned Wheeler, Bryant, Hanson, Burris are keepers. I also think Huff will be a better free safety next season from his experience at cb.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
didnt DVD look really good in practice, where was his shot..
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Thats it,I’m done.The guy started last year.You guys can argue all you want.I can’t take anymore.
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no reason to argue, DVD never started for this management team and had an excellent camp supposedly.pryor deserves a shot just like adams and stewart. how many practices did they go through before they played. when a GM says he needs to see pryor play on the field , thats enough for me. if he sucks than we get a better draft pick if he somehow catches lightning in a bottle we get a young QB.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Who is the double agent?
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DA = Dennis Allen = Double Agent
His mission is almost complete. He just needs to win 1 of the next 2 games so that he can be retained for winning 2 of his last 3. Complete the screwjob next year, then he will be canned. He will have completed his mission by then, though.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Kappy is giving NE fits, he has to hold onto the snaps tho………..lol
December 16th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RR
Brady, Warner, and Romo were downgraded for playing in small schools or being unathletic.
It actually is kinda scientific.
None of those guys completed less than 50% of their passes vs solid D’s the way Pryor did.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Raider (since1967)★
How come did the Donkees find a way to win by
Finding Manning, and KC with Montana a few years back?
And we end up with Weak Qb Palmer.
Palmer is a Tumble weed. With a little bit of pressure he ends
Up in the ground.
We have to pay more attention to who becomes available,like
Eli, Brady, Rothlesburger, Landry, Mazziel ect in the future!
IT was lack of good scouting that cause this!
December 16th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Who is the double agent?
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DA = Dennis Allen = Double Agent
His mission is almost complete. He just needs to win 1 of the next 2 games so that he can be retained for winning 2 of his last 3. Complete the screwjob next year, then he will be canned. He will have completed his mission by then, though.
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This is all I’m trying to say, the double agent will get another job after his screws us over….
December 16th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Before I do leave-Harbaugh is a biotch.I’d love to see someone knock the prick on his a$$.There isn’t anyone in all of football I hate more.He inherited a team with a GREAT defense-any coach would have looked good walking into the situation he did.If it was reported he fell out of the plane on the way home,I’d go to the nearest pub and buy the house a round.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
THE DEFINITIVE PRYOR EXPERIENCE!!
vs and completion%:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Arkansas 56%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
CREAM PUFFS:
Ohio Bobcats – 75%
Marshall 68%
Eastern Michigan (don’t laugh) – 76%
Indiana – 80%
Purdue 72%
Minnesota 81%
Pryor was WORSE as a college QB than Brady, Warner, Kaepernick, Romo…
December 16th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
14-3 Niners because they atcually have a coahc with a clue smart enough to go with what he knew would be the future NOW!. But we have an IDIOT!!
December 16th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
LEFTY
The 49ers had the 16th-ranked D in 2010 (pre-Harbaugh).
They shot to 3rd last year (Harbaugh’s 1st year.)
December 16th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
DA not starting TP, could give Reggie the reason to fire him.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Harbaugh is a good coach. We have a FRAUD
December 16th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Pryor had FOUR games with 50% or lower accuracy in 2010.
Kaepenick? ZERO.
Kaepernick >>>>>> Pryor as accurate college passer.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Nearly everyone here is tired of losing and is impatient. I’m tired of losing and impatient, too, but the issues here revolve around YEARS of inferior player selection, retention of “scholarship” players, the resulting mediocre rosters, and a revolving door policy for coaching (lack of) continuity. Quit biaching long enough to take a look at the 49ers vs Patriots to see where the Raiders are headed in a few years. There are no quick fixes for the mess the Raiders have been for most of the past 25 years.
Since 1985, the Raiders have had six (6) winning seasons, six (6) trips to post-season, an twelve (12) different head coaches with Art Shell thrown in twice. Obviously, the Raider management formula hasn’t led to success often in the past 25 years. Perhaps it’s time to be a bit patient and see where this new plan is heading.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Brady’s pass just went in the dirt.
Bellicheat should definitely give up on him.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
We ended up with Palmer, because Al did not have a plan in place to have football minded GM in place upon his passing.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
He is still a biotch and a punk that I’d love to see knocked on his a$$.It also wouldn’t bother me if he fell out of the plane on the way home.Wouldn’t shed a tear,thats for sure.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
89706
I’ve told plenty of people here we wont have a winning season in Oakland until at least 2014.
That’s how bad our roster was the last 10 years.
And 2014 winning season is IF we draft and develop a legit QB to prepare for 2014.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
priesttj Says:
May 16th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Jhill
I see these guy’s are still beggin’ for a NT in a 4/3 1gap system. They just don’t understand the system and they watched it all year last year.
Well there’s always the actual coaches who make these decisions, because if we left it up to the fans we’d be in trouble.
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In other words, you’re a hypocrite.
You say last year coaches should make the decisions, and not the fans.
Now you’re saying fans should. You’re an idiot.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Lefty
Harbaugh is an incredible coach with a passion for winning who turned around a 6-10 team and a “bust” QB after turning around a moribund football program.
What do you dislike about that success?
December 16th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
As a fan I’m torn, I don’t want our team to lose but man could we use that Star kid or some of the top prospects. We have NO playmakers on D none. We know that KC will be picking a QB, but aside from that its a toss-up maybe jags will pic a QB too but i’m not sure.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Brady’s pass just went in the dirt.
Bellicheat should definitely give up on him.
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lol
December 16th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
I don’t care about that team,and I hate Harbaugh.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RR
Brady, Warner, and Romo were downgraded for playing in small schools or being unathletic.
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It doesnt matter why they were passed up. The fact is, they were passed up. Passed up by highly qualified NFL front offices. Passed up before that by very good college programs. Proving, that scouts make mistakes and/or are often too afraid to take risks on guys that can play but dont measure up numbers-wise.
Take your science and explain Ryan Leaf and all the other busts for me.
Nobody know’s what Pryor is until we see him play.
If you cant see that this staff is coaching for their self preservation then you are blind my friend. Theyre doing the same crap with a bunch of our developmental projects. This team would be a hell of a lot better if Aus, Bergs, and others were getting their run right now. But instead we are playing our starters all 60 minutes so they can win a meaningless game. It makes no long term sense and you know it.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Brady’s pass just went in the dirt.
Bellicheat should definitely give up on him.
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lol
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Double LOL!
December 16th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
He is still a biotch and a punk that I’d love to see knocked on his a$$.It also wouldn’t bother me if he fell out of the plane on the way home.Wouldn’t shed a tear,thats for sure.
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He wins and the double agent loses but you’d like to see Harbaugh snuffed…….come on Lefty12
December 16th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Anybody know if DA got a Gatorade shower today for pitching a shut out?
How bout that knapp fellas? Got us into FG position today, what, 6-7 times? Simply stunning.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
you’ve said that, Lefty. Care to explain WHAT you dislike about his successful self?
December 16th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
89706
I’ve told plenty of people here we wont have a winning season in Oakland until at least 2014.
That’s how bad our roster was the last 10 years.
And 2014 winning season is IF we draft and develop a legit QB to prepare for 2014.
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So, youre of the OPINION, that Pryor is un-developable? Just say so. I can live with that.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Brady
didn’t throw 45% accuracy games left and right while in college.
He just didnt.
Pryor did.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
89706Raider Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Nearly everyone here is tired of losing and is impatient. I’m tired of losing and impatient, too, but the issues here revolve around YEARS of inferior player selection, retention of “scholarship” players, the resulting mediocre rosters, and a revolving door policy for coaching (lack of) continuity. Quit biaching long enough to take a look at the 49ers vs Patriots to see where the Raiders are headed in a few years. There are no quick fixes for the mess the Raiders have been for most of the past 25 years.
Since 1985, the Raiders have had six (6) winning seasons, six (6) trips to post-season, an twelve (12) different head coaches with Art Shell thrown in twice. Obviously, the Raider management formula hasn’t led to success often in the past 25 years. Perhaps it’s time to be a bit patient and see where this new plan is heading.
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None of that means that Tits is capable of being head coach. He already has made gawd-awful coaching hires and has had this team get blown out & lose the 3rd quarter so many times…And BTW, this Regime is forming their own scholarships if you haven’t noticed. “MY Guy(s)” get opportunities, Al’s picks get stuck on the bench.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Alex7, I just dont see why you wouldnt want to at least try and develop the kid over these last few MEANINGLESS games.
We have nothing to lose but draft status.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Harbaugh is a helluva coach the double agent is a fraud.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Brady
didn’t throw 45% accuracy games left and right while in college.
He just didnt.
Pryor did.
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And Kapernick didnt do anything remotely close to what Pryor did in the preseason against the Lions.
Whats your point?
December 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
RR
I’ve said Pryor is not an NFL QB since the day we drafted him.
College stats like accuracy and decision-making translate heavily into the NFL (see super accurate Wisconsin QB Russell Wilson).
Pryor was TERRIBLE with accuracy vs solid D’s.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Anybody know if DA got a Gatorade shower today for pitching a shut out?
How bout that knapp fellas? Got us into FG position today, what, 6-7 times? Simply stunning.
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Like I said, nobody was near him, I saw nobody congratulating him. What a leader of men he is. total Bada$$….So lucky to have Doogie Howser rocking Raider gear.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Harbaugh is a helluva coach the double agent is a fraud.
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We have the worst staff in football I’m convinced. Maybe Jax could be worse.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
lol RR
if you value what Pryor did vs the Lions awful 3rd string DBs in one pre-season game
more than you value YEARS of college tape…
then there’s no talking sense with you.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
This D today would of shutout Brady.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
You were wrong on Russell. You are wrong on Pryor. You ever get tired of saying stupid things?
Priesttj Says: March 26th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Raideman99, pisses that he might be doing things right doesn’t it. You can’t wait until he fails and gets cut. Right? hate him don’t ya’?
Tooo bad sucka Russell still here and will be a much better playr than any of you will be able to stand.
Keep hating! it’s even getting fun to watching your frustration.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
267-nope,I think he is an arrogant prick and I don’t like him.I can’t stand his brother either.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Kappy is giving Belichik fits…
December 16th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Prior played against tougher competition tan Kaper did in college.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RR
DEVELOPING Pryor is akin to saying we could have DEVELOPED Ron Curry as our QB a few years ago.
Accuracy is NOT something you can develop in the NFL if you don’t have a solid accuracy base to start with.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
…14-3 Niners because they atcually have a coahc with a clue smart enough to go with what he knew would be the future NOW!. But we have an IDIOT!!
…Well there’s always the actual coaches who make these decisions, because if we left it up to the fans we’d be in trouble.
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Believe it or not, both of these posts came from the same person.
This place is hilarious sometimes.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Hey today was spectacular….the tailgating today was the best in years,..Brien thanks bro for hangin with us all day,..Jello-O shots and vodka and tequila and Crown Royal and Boones Farm and pills and grass,..and how bout that bbq?…wow,..and getting on the field again today,..I told Reggie the Nation has his back, and we have faith in him,…got more pics of us together today and Mark and Amy too…just a great day,..got to meet Dennis Allen too,…oh and talked to Phil Villapiano, the ultimate Raider,..hit lit the torch today,…he was happy to hear me tell him today was a huge game,…our most bitter rival, sweeping them was major…Morris Bradshaw was great today as always,…even me and Mike Taylor shook hands,…Christmas miracle…Brien stay in touch this off season,…man you had a lot of Jello-O shots.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Pryor should have started and played the entire game.
Dennis Allen is an idiot.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
267-nope,I think he is an arrogant prick and I don’t like him.I can’t stand his brother either.
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I’ll take an arrogant a$$hole who wants to win over a pu$$y who takes his beatings like a gracious loser.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
RR
I’ve said Pryor is not an NFL QB since the day we drafted him.
College stats like accuracy and decision-making translate heavily into the NFL (see super accurate Wisconsin QB Russell Wilson).
Pryor was TERRIBLE with accuracy vs solid D’s.
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I had/have the same concerns. I argued tooth and nail with Raider O and RRS over this when they wanted TP annointed #2 on the depth chart.
I felt he was a 4-6 year project. 3-4 years at best.
But then I saw what he did against the Lions with just one week of real practice. And Im aware of his work ethic and how highly Carson Palmer talks of him in the press.
His work ethic and intangibles intrigue me. So I think that its possible he could start in 2 years with development. The key phrase being WITH DEVELOPMENT. Of which he isnt getting here, and its for reasons OTHER than TP. I cant trust DA’s talent evaluation when he’s coaching for his job first, and our future second.
A good friend of mine happens to be family friends with Palmers. Their wives are best friends. I cant wait to actually get the scoop from Palmer himself on TP. If he says he sucks and isnt worth it, I’ll take his word for it.
But as a Raider fan, I find it impossible to give up on someone just because the rest of the league did. See for examples: Plunkett, Gannon, and Randy Moss (after he left us).
December 16th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
267-nope,I think he is an arrogant prick and I don’t like him.I can’t stand his brother either.
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Lefty12, Harbaugh has always been extremely confident it does border on arrogance but hey he backs it up.
December 16th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Yes Raidertalk, exactly!
And he was TERRIBLE against said tougher competition.
PRYOR
vs and completion%:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Arkansas 56%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
December 16th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
IF AL would be alive Manning will not be in Denver!
You will think that a Qb like this will.end up in his grasp, or
Raiderland and warming up for MNF. A missle launcher like
Manning would not be available to no one but Al. He had the
Money and the scouts. Unfortantly Bad Scouting in his last days and good Scouting on the Donkees side made him possible for them to have this great Season and make the playoffs !
Next time Raiders must listen carefully to rumors and better Scouting should tell us ahead when the next T-Rex becomes available. Just have to look at the Water cups more careful and at the slightest vibration be ready to Open up the Checkbook !
December 16th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Hey today was spectacular….the tailgating today was the best in years,..Brien thanks bro for hangin with us all day,..Jello-O shots and vodka and tequila and Crown Royal and Boones Farm and pills and grass,..and how bout that bbq?…wow,..and getting on the field again today,..I told Reggie the Nation has his back, and we have faith in him,…got more pics of us together today and Mark and Amy too…just a great day,..got to meet Dennis Allen too,…oh and talked to Phil Villapiano, the ultimate Raider,..hit lit the torch today,…he was happy to hear me tell him today was a huge game,…our most bitter rival, sweeping them was major…Morris Bradshaw was great today as always,…even me and Mike Taylor shook hands,…Christmas miracle…Brien stay in touch this off season,…man you had a lot of Jello-O shots.
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We dont care about any of that.
What we really wanna know is if you sacked up and wore your Gruden jersey or did you puss out?
December 16th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
I told Reggie the Nation has his back, and we have faith in him,
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What did you lie to him for?
December 16th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Douchebag-then go root for the whiners along with Priest.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Gannon had an NFL winning record before coming to Oakland.
Plunkett was the #1 overall pick.
Moss was a 1st round talent.
Pryor was a Mid to low pick to develop at TE.
Night and day. Kellen Moore probably dropped a few pre-season bombs on a terrible team’s 3rd stringer.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RR
DEVELOPING Pryor is akin to saying we could have DEVELOPED Ron Curry as our QB a few years ago.
Accuracy is NOT something you can develop in the NFL if you don’t have a solid accuracy base to start with.
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Agreed.
So why not play the kid and end the debate. Again, nothing to lose but draft position.
Seriously, we either find out TP has improved or we get the #1 pick. How can either of those situations be better than what we did to ourselves today?
December 16th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Jesus, look at Kap tonight. If that doesn’t tell you to at least give Pryor a shot Tits nothing will
December 16th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
I don’t care about that team,and I hate Harbaugh
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Assuming you hate harbaugh just because he’s coaching the Niners means you are a small joke of a fan, and an even smaller joke of a man.
When someone says they “hate” another coach, what they mean is they hate that the coach is so damn good.
In both cases it reeks of immaturity.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Get rid of the good ole boys. Dennis Allen & Greg Knapp.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Douchebag-then go root for the whiners along with Priest.
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No, not a bandwagon nut swallower so I wouldn’t fit in with their fans.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
When Hue left he made the comment that the new regime will “gut this team”. That plan has not changed. Palmer will be gone as will TP. DMAC, DHB, Moore, Reece, Veldeer, Wiz2.0 don’t fit the scheme on offense. Anyone whose not named Burris, Branch or Wheeler are playing somewhere else in the next two years. I don’t understand why anyone is surprised by this. As much as I complain about the new regime. At least they are consistent. Problem is that the players already know this.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
most great coaches are arrogant pricks.
Saban, Harbaugh, Chip Kelly, Belichick, Gruden
December 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RR
you’re going in circles. WE are the only schmucks DEBATING Pryor’s talent.
NFL coaches went out and signed Matt Leinart and Kyle Boller because Pryor was so bad in practices that he couldn’t even be trusted as a backup.
NFL coaches have no debate. Pryor isn’t an NFL QB. Reporters in practices all summer/early fall said the same.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Well, I wasn’t impressed at all, like most of you. But that being said I am glad to see a win. For a few reasons. First, I f@cking hate the chiefs, and there’s a really good chance they will F up their draft pick anyway. Additionally, there r no Andrew lucks or RG3s in this draft. At least it shows the team hasn’t quit. I was gonna put the rest of this in positives and negatives that I saw, but I’m not sure which some of them are:
1. 10 days for 3 plays? Geniuses at work again. I won presume to know the reasons why. Could be because they see nothing from Pryor in practice. But why trust these coaches can evaluate talent since they can’t win games? Or it could be because Pryor really does suck. But I doubt we will ever find out. At least not while he’s in a raider uniform. Playing him 3 plays is like an insult or a slap in the face from DA to the Nation. It was pointless.
2. Still no Taiwan jones? He’s becoming one of the best gunners in the league, at least he’s got that going for him. But jeez? One fumble on opening night (that wasn’t his fault btw) and he’s done for the year? More great evaluating going on. It’s really scary how stubborn and short sighted this coaching staff is.
3. I thought Hue took way too many chances, actually got players hurt doing it sometimes. But DA is WAY too conservative. Up 9 w a 4th and short in the red zone and we kick a field goal? Really? I’m pretty conservative when it comes to play calling. I rarely agree w fakes or going for it on 4th downs or early 2 point conversion attempts. But this guy is a f@cking pus$y!!! How does he not go for it there w a 3 and 10 record against the worst team in the league at home??? Inexcusable.
4. At least knapp should be and still may be fired. Nvm we didn’t get any TDs. I’m not sure we even had a play in the end zone at all, did we? I mean, the game was never in doubt, but we should no ability at all to score a TD.
5. The defense played lights out. Even Kelly looked good. Now I know that KC is awful, that’s obvious. But at least it’s a step forward, sort of. It’s certainly not regression, if not progression, at least. A shut out is a shut out, and I’ll take it. And it was w Adams going down early too btw. Wtf is w our corners anyway? Did they all go to Darren McFadden camp in the off season? Christ.
So overall I’m like most of you on here today. I’m not impressed by this. I’m not happy w the coaching staff at all for many reasons. An I’m not happy about the talent level either. But like I said, at least they didn’t give up. And Idc if we lose next week, as far as a potential draft consequence, but I don’t wanna lose to the chargers in week 17 either. I don’t think draft position is that important anyway this year, and what kind of fan is ok w losing to divisional rivals? I just don’t get it. Fact is, I’m not sure how the tie breakers r set, and it would be a dubious honor for sure, but I think we could potentially finish 2nd in the division this year. Again, not particularly impressive, but just like a win is a win, second place is second place. It’s not so bad, unless your playing poker that is. Then second place just sucks b@lls. Haha
December 16th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
edward teach Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
…14-3 Niners because they atcually have a coahc with a clue smart enough to go with what he knew would be the future NOW!. But we have an IDIOT!!
…Well there’s always the actual coaches who make these decisions, because if we left it up to the fans we’d be in trouble.
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Believe it or not, both of these posts came from the same person.
This place is hilarious sometimes.
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What exactly is hilarious about it I’m saying one team ha a great coach and we had an idiot. Fan should never nmake decisions and coaches who make decisions based on what the fans think will be amongst the fans soon. That does mean that I cannot have an opinion as to he competence of a coach.
To say I’m saying anything else is your opinion. I think he’s an idiot his record agrees with me. Who he plays is his business but I will give my opinion on what I think about it. Whether you like it or not. I have evaluated Pryor and I know what he’s capable of if they don’t want him fine but I don’t have to like it. Do I??
December 16th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Kappy is giving Belichik fits man, Pryor would have made that game fun to watch.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
305.Priesttj12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
edward teach Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
…14-3 Niners because they atcually have a coahc with a clue smart enough to go with what he knew would be the future NOW!. But we have an IDIOT!!
…Well there’s always the actual coaches who make these decisions, because if we left it up to the fans we’d be in trouble.
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Believe it or not, both of these posts came from the same person.
This place is hilarious sometimes.
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What exactly is hilarious about it I’m saying one team ha a great coach and we had an idiot. Fan should never nmake decisions and coaches who make decisions based on what the fans think will be amongst the fans soon. That does mean that I cannot have an opinion as to he competence of a coach.
To say I’m saying anything else is your opinion. I think he’s an idiot his record agrees with me. Who he plays is his business but I will give my opinion on what I think about it. Whether you like it or not. I have evaluated Pryor and I know what he’s capable of if they don’t want him fine but I don’t have to like it. Do I??
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You contradticted yourself, not me. Spin it any way you like.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RR
DEVELOPING Pryor is akin to saying we could have DEVELOPED Ron Curry as our QB a few years ago.
Accuracy is NOT something you can develop in the NFL if you don’t have a solid accuracy base to start with.
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Agreed.
So why not play the kid and end the debate. Again, nothing to lose but draft position.
Seriously, we either find out TP has improved or we get the #1 pick. How can either of those situations be better than what we did to ourselves today?
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Simple. THE COACHES ALREADY KNOW. AND HAVE NO DESIRE TO SATISFY YOU.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
“These guys, are THROWERS first,” says Collinsworth.
Exactly.
Pryor is more Tebow/Pat White/Dennis Dixon/Joe Webb runner first, inaccurate as heck passer.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Brien got at least two numbers off biches, that I know of,…Brien almost did as many jello shots as me,…our tailgate in D lot today will go down in history,..amazing day.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
DT42 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
When Hue left he made the comment that the new regime will “gut this team”. That plan has not changed. Palmer will be gone as will TP. DMAC, DHB, Moore, Reece, Veldeer, Wiz2.0 don’t fit the scheme on offense. Anyone whose not named Burris, Branch or Wheeler are playing somewhere else in the next two years. I don’t understand why anyone is surprised by this. As much as I complain about the new regime. At least they are consistent. Problem is that the players already know this.
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exactly, Burris can miss 5 tackles a game and he will get all the shots in the world.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
When a roster hasn’t had a winning season in 10 years…
yet MANY guys are near the highest-paid at their position…
yeah, it’s ok to gut that roster.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
0ak r8rs Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Well, I wasn’t impressed at all,
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#304. I get a headache when I have to read that much. Dumb it down, please.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Brien got at least two numbers off biches, that I know of,…Brien almost did as many jello shots as me,…our tailgate in D lot today will go down in history,..amazing day.
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Tell Bri those were trannies.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Priest,..Pryor sucks man,..we boo`d his butt…first play he couldnt get snap off without a penalty,..dudes a loser.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Pryoy was 31-4 as a qb in college… Nuff said.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
And this is what we’re missing out on a young strong armed QB with great leadership and competitiveness. Look at what Kappy is doing and think what Pryor could do if developed the same way Kappy was. How amazing Pryor would be leading this team next year to wins instead of loss after loss after loss of course he needs a coach with the vision it takes to allow him to develope.
That is what the Raiders are missing a thrue leader at the helm who can lift this team to play at a level higher than they even think is possible. Coaches and QB’s can have that kind of effect on an entire team. They can literally transform a team in short order.
The HC we have now is NOT capable of this kind of leadership he doesn’t inspire the troops to break through. He has no vision on where this team can go and how to get there. He is struggling to manage his coaches and get them to develope talent in order for that talent to reach their potential. Great coaches can do that develope players and direct them to get done what they want done………period
December 16th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Priest,..you want back in?…with Gary?…just ask me man,..I am the only mother F`r that can get you back in,…you want to call Gary and talk to him about Pryor?…I can hook it up. But next time I do, I want you to thank me,..ya dig hombre?
December 16th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
“These guys, are THROWERS first,” says Collinsworth.
Exactly.
Pryor is more Tebow/Pat White/Dennis Dixon/Joe Webb runner first, inaccurate as heck passer.
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Agreed. But Pryor’s mechanics r a mess. I don’t think anyone can say at this point that he can’t become an accurate thrower if they fix some stuff. That’s what coaches do? I realize he’s a project. And I realize that RM and DA r not looking for projects anymore, and I’m actually glad for that. But to piss away Pryor and jones an ausberry with hardly a look on an actual paying field is disheartening and frustrating. If it turns out none of these guys do anything with other teams a few years from now, then I’ll be glad to eat my words. But right now, the only thing that seems certain is they WILL be in other uniforms before the get x chance to do ANYTHING!
December 16th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
So ignorant for some of you to say “why not just let Pryor play the whole game” or “leave him in because I WANT TO SEE HOW HE WILL DO.”
Team has lots of players to check out. You ccan’t figure out, on your own, what the team feels about TP’s play? he obviously doesn’t look good in practice. OBVIOUSLY. So why is that hard for you pootbutts to get that?
The fact the team didn’t put him in says Pryor is NOT THE QB OF THIS TEAM NEXT YEAR. In fact, my sources tell me he will be either traded or released.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Pryor should have started and played the entire game.
Dennis Allen is an idiot….
December 16th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
I drank beers with Phil Villapiano today,..got the pics to prove,..talked to Amy and Reggie and Mark and Coach Allen today,…Matched jello shots shot for shot with Brien today,..I out drank him on the vodka,…we dusted off several doobies,…amazing bbq. Thats how we do it,..how do YOU do it?
December 16th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
When a roster hasn’t had a winning season in 10 years…
yet MANY guys are near the highest-paid at their position…
yeah, it’s ok to gut that roster.
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and when a team goes through 7 straight double digit losing seasons, it’s probably not wise to can the guy & system that provided 2 8-8 seasons.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Priest,..you want back in?…with Gary?…just ask me man,..I am the only mother F`r that can get you back in,…you want to call Gary and talk to him about Pryor?…I can hook it up. But next time I do, I want you to thank me,..ya dig hombre?
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Gary’s show is toast. 95.7 the Game. Only show in town.
Gary is losing it.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
0ak r8rs Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Well, I wasn’t impressed at all,
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#304. I get a headache when I have to read that much. Dumb it down, please.
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Pryor, Jones and Ausberry may all suck but we will never know it one way or the other while they r in a raider uniform
DA is a self serving coward, but I’m still glad the players haven’t given up on him, cause we may w stuck w him for at least 2 more years. Gotta hope there’s something there.
Knapp and his system sucks.
Denarius Moore may be on drugs. Forgot to mention him. But can’t make a fair catch? Forgot how to do that or what?
Better?
December 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Pryor sucks, and isnt a Raider in two weeks.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
You contradticted yourself, not me. Spin it any way you like.
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Sure ET I contradicted myself, I said we can’t make the coaches play who we wan t to play. I still know and feel that way. But that doesn’t mean I agreed then or now with everything a coach does or says. But easily I would never want a coach who plays players just because the fans want him to. I want him to understand who’s better and play them. I have my opinions now as I did then. As good as Harbaugh is I don’t agree with everything decision he makes but I have strong belief HE KNOWS what he’s doing.
I don’t have that same confidence in this idiot. If you feel that’s a contradiction so be it….
December 16th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Gary is the king of the bay area sports talk,…even you know that.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Priest,..I was talking to Reggie today,..I should have told him I know you,..you guys probably worked together in the past.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
I drank beers with Phil Villapiano today,..got the pics to prove,..talked to Amy and Reggie and Mark and Coach Allen today,…Matched jello shots shot for shot with Brien today,..I out drank him on the vodka,…we dusted off several doobies,…amazing bbq. Thats how we do it,..how do YOU do it?
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I ran into Criner, Huff, and DHB at Safeway, and took them out for Singapore Slings at ChiChi’s. Played darts, then liars dice for shooters. Beats your goober get-together.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
I told people Harbaugh would find a way to play kappy before the season was over because I know that he knows how to get the best out of that kid and his tremendous upside.
Does anyone feel the same way about this MORON we have??
it’s laughable.
Incidently who was right about that? and who was right about what kappy would do once he was in there?
December 16th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Priest,..you want to call Gary tomorrow you have to tell me now…yes or no man,…youre welcome.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Just how big a loss did we have today by winning that game? Think of it this way, had we lost today and continued to lose out the rest of the year which is likely, we were guaranteed one of the following:
• The top rated QB in the nation
• The top rated O-lineman or offensive player in the country
• The top rated D-lineman or defensive layer in the country
Had we played our back-ups we’d now know a lot more on what to expect of them in real playing time. we’d have a much better understanding of who to keep and who to dump.
In that DA decided for his own reasons not to play the back-ups, we know nothing new about our back-ups, we lost our guaranteed drafting position, we learned that Knapp & his system is totally inept against the worst team in the NFL & that we won’t be rated as the #32 offense next week.
To my way of thinking, DA did what he did to benefit himself (his job) & not the team. We already knew that Knapp & his system is worthless. The smart coach today was not DA but rather Romeo Crennel. His team will benefit in a much bigger fashion next year draft wise while we have downgraded our options. DA’s decisions today could cost us an additional year or two to catch up. Instead we get to say we skunked the #32 team in the NFL. BFD! We are not in the playoffs & won’t be or a number of more years. DA, I thought you were smarter than that. BTW, I will NOT be renewing my season tickets for next couple of years at a minimum. You future here does not look all that bright.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Kappy just got “kapped”.
Advantage Belichik.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Priest,..you want back in?…with Gary?…just ask me man,..I am the only mother F`r that can get you back in,…you want to call Gary and talk to him about Pryor?…I can hook it up. But next time I do, I want you to thank me,..ya dig hombre?
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I’ll stick with “The Game” hombre….
December 16th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Kellen Moore had a better college win/loss record than Pryor.
Means nothing.
Can you throw the dang ball in the correct tight spaces? Pryor proved throughout college and 2 seasons of practices that he can’t.
Move on.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Time for Belichik to show his mastery.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
BTW, I will NOT be renewing my season tickets for next couple of years at a minimum. You future here does not look all that bright.
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Don’t blame you, but with there’s a coaching change.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Stupid pointless win.. fùck you da
December 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Hey Ridley..”believe it or not”..you suck.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
EVERY NFL team evaluates their players in summer, pre-season, and practices.
You don’t just throw out 3rd stringers out on game-day to “see” what you have.
The 100 practices in summer, early fall, and through the season tell you what you have.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
341,
But sometimes they are wrong. If they were right about “what they have” all the time they would never trade or cut players who end up doing well with other teams.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Terrel did it in a tougher conference against better competition. Pryor was a play maker and heisman candidate before the money scandal. W’s count move along please
December 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Agreed. But Pryor’s mechanics r a mess. I don’t think anyone can say at this point that he can’t become an accurate thrower if they fix some stuff.
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WAVING HAND WILDLY!
I will say it… Nobody has ever “fixed” their horrible arm mechanics in the NFL. If so Tebow would be a star in NY.
Or Vince Young.
Ok.. maybe Farve threw off his back foot his entire career, but his arm mechanics were flawless.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
The Brady’s are taking it in the shorts………..BAD!!
December 16th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
I drank beers with Phil Villapiano today,..got the pics to prove,..talked to Amy and Reggie and Mark and Coach Allen today,…Matched jello shots shot for shot with Brien today,..I out drank him on the vodka,…we dusted off several doobies,…amazing bbq. Thats how we do it,..how do YOU do it?
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I ran into Criner, Huff, and DHB at Safeway, and took them out for Singapore Slings at ChiChi’s.
Played darts, then liars dice for shooters.
Beats your goober get-together.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
You can only evauate a qb in real games.. and this win only costs us… this was stupid..
December 16th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Belichik getting dismantled.
Can we admit now that Crabtree was the better choice?
December 16th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Kappy strikes again………….lol
Hit ‘em where it hurts boys…
December 16th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Look at Bellicheat he’s watching a young QB put it on his troops. Harbaugh was so smart to do what he did what vision what leadership what a coach…..wish we had one…
December 16th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
EVERY NFL team evaluates their players in summer, pre-season, and practices.
You don’t just throw out 3rd stringers out on game-day to “see” what you have.
The 100 practices in summer, early fall, and through the season tell you what you have.
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Then explain how they missed on Romo, Brady, Warner, and the rest?
I mean, how did anyone pass on Wes Welker. Or Rod Streater for that matter.
You cant, and wont answer those questions because it completely kills your arguement.
And stop with the sock puppetting.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Belichik getting dismantled.
Can we admit now that Crabtree was the better choice?
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Sure starting to look that way.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
I hate the Niners as much as the next Raider fan, but Harbaugh is a good coach. I’d love to have a tough arrogant SOB as a HC here in Oakland.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Terrel did it in a tougher conference against better competition. Pryor was a play maker and heisman candidate before the money scandal. W’s count move along please
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Ok, this is crazy talk now. Are their REALLY Raider fans thinking college football success has much to do with the NFL?
STOP PLAYING MADDEN!
I hate defending this coaching staff, but Pryor may never complete more than a few passes in the NFL. Surprised he hasn’t been converted to TE yet.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Belichik getting dismantled.
Can we admit now that Crabtree was the better choice?
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when did anyone say he wasn’t….
December 16th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Mike wallace is better than both crabtree and dhb…
December 16th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Always been a bigger fan of an awesome defense than I have been of a high scoring offense and I hate that we can’t reach that level, like the 49ers. Ravens D was one of my favorites to watch when they won the Superbowl.
Hope Mark is watching and getting sick to his stomach because we have alot of work to do. :/
December 16th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
355,
There were guys debating for a long time on how DHB turned out to be the better pick.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
The Niners and Broncos are going to the superbowl…unsure who wins.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Pryor’s mechanics are not a mess, his mechanics are actually better than Kappy’s to tell you the truth just compare and contrast it on their highlight reels.
Jim has cleaned up some of Kappy’s mechanics and Pryor’s issues were footwork mainly. I wish we had a chance to see that today but they refused to allow it.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
The Niners and Broncos are going to the superbowl…unsure who wins.
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It changes on a weekly basis in this parity-driven league.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Belichik getting dismantled.
Can we admit now that Crabtree was the better choice?
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I didn’t want a WR. Crabtree is a lot like McClain.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
alex7 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
EVERY NFL team evaluates their players in summer, pre-season, and practices.
You don’t just throw out 3rd stringers out on game-day to “see” what you have.
The 100 practices in summer, early fall, and through the season tell you what you have.
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Why can’t priest, riff, and others get this?
They sadly believe teams should appease individual fans wishes, even though the coaches know of players short comings.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
355,
There were guys debating for a long time on how DHB turned out to be the better pick.
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Crabtree is a natural catcher, DHB is just a much better athlete they both can be effective but if I had a chance to take either I might take DHB due to his speed and athleticism. People will sya he drops a lot of passes which just isn’t true he’s just not as natural catching the football but he does everything else much better than Crabtree RAC stronger better blocker. Crabtree may have him in route running as well but DHB gets open fine.
December 16th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Gdog you sound ridiculous, he cant play qb a position hes played nearly his entire football life but youre sure he can play te a position in which hes never played before and be successful at the highest level? Youre the madden player kiddo, not me. And youre 100% positive he cant play after 3 snaps. Gtfoh youre a joke just like DA. You deserve the trash hes putting out on the field each sunday. Pathetic how anyone could defend such neglegence.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Pryor’s mechanics are not a mess, his mechanics are actually better than Kappy’s to tell you the truth just compare and contrast it on their highlight reels.
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You don’t think there is a problem with the term “highlight reels” here?
Please.
Stop using Madden as a barometer of NFL success.
You are making Raider fans look like morons.
Now if they wanted to use him some wildcat packages in short yardage… I’d have no problem with it.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
What else do they hav eto look at to compare? lol
You think they have practice film or something.
Highlight reel is all that’s available……..lol
December 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
This lil focker uses that lame azz madden line for everything. Lol smh priest old azz aint playin no madden.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Gdog you sound ridiculous, he cant play qb a position hes played nearly his entire football life but youre sure he can play te a position in which hes never played before and be successful at the highest level? Youre the madden player kiddo, not me. And youre 100% positive he cant play after 3 snaps. Gtfoh youre a joke just like DA. You deserve the trash hes putting out on the field each sunday. Pathetic how anyone could defend such neglegence.
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A third string QB is the hope of our franchise now? And I am the joke?
You guys all sound like you are 12 years old. Seriously. Grow up. Pryor is most likely hot-garbage or he would have seen the field more. This coaching staff is inept… but not insane.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
The Raiders go all out to win a meaningless game in December, thus preventing them from drafting top tier talent in next year’s draft.
This really is the dumbest team in football.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
knapp proved today his scheme can get us into FG range. Even if it means Jano missing from 55+.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Dennis Allen is an idiot.
Pryor was responsible for 3 touchdowns in a quarter and a half.
When has Palmer done that?
December 16th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Hitting the booze a bit right now boys?
Neither of you are even able to type right now.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Pryor’s mechanics are not a mess, his mechanics are actually better than Kappy’s to tell you the truth just compare and contrast it on their highlight reels.
Jim has cleaned up some of Kappy’s mechanics and Pryor’s issues were footwork mainly. I wish we had a chance to see that today but they refused to allow it.
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His mechanics are BETTER than Kaps?
You on drugs, or just drunk?
Tell us again how Russell is still around, and lighting things up.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
4-12
December 16th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
At the end of the day, there are some interesting and smart bloggers on her with great insight about the game but not one, will ever know how to accurately breakdown and evaluate a college or NFL player. Nobody in the NFL takes advice from a blog.
I’m worried that some of you might hurt yourselves if Pryor doesn’t get enough snaps in the reg season and gets traded.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
@alex7
You keep repeating that T.Pryor was skipped over 60 times in draft. You are aware it was a supplemental draft right? No team in there right mind would ever pick a player in the supplemental draft in the first round. Players in those drafts come with baggage. Also if Pryor would have returned for his senior year you can bet your bottom dollar he would have been a first round pick. Jake Locker, Ponder, Tebow, were first rounder for crap sake. I want to see Pryor play. We need to see if he can be our QB of the future. Were in position to get a QB in the next draft. if Pryor plays and sucks we can get one of these QB’s in this draft. Come on DA player the young man. And BTW, fire Knapp.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Pryors family is here with a 40 in each hand… I am out.
Have fun little boys…
December 16th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Kirk Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Dennis Allen is an idiot.
Pryor was responsible for 3 touchdowns in a quarter and a half.
When has Palmer done that?
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Against scrubs who aren’t even in the NFL anymore? Not sure.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Fake KK,I don’t dislike Harbaugh because he coaches the whiners.I just don’t like his punk a$$.It wouldn’t make any difference where he coached.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
355,
There were guys debating for a long time on how DHB turned out to be the better pick.
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Crabtree is a natural catcher, DHB is just a much better athlete they both can be effective but if I had a chance to take either I might take DHB due to his speed and athleticism. People will sya he drops a lot of passes which just isn’t true he’s just not as natural catching the football but he does everything else much better than Crabtree RAC stronger better blocker. Crabtree may have him in route running as well but DHB gets open fine.
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Crab holds almost every college receiving record there is. Won the Belitnikoff award not once, but twice. a Record. Won it as a freshman. A record.
DHB has zero awards.
DHB isn’t even a worry, where Crabtree is the Niners go to guy.
You really should just shut up.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
I’m going to leave the DA, McKenzie, Knapp, etc. etc. stuff alone.
Today is an excellent day gentlemen!
I get to gloat and laugh at my father-in law as his Chiefs hit an all-time low of embarrassment and futility.
Sure, Oakland is terrible, but how bad does a team have to be to get shutout by the Raiders!?
Hahaha! Victory is mine!
December 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Kirk Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Dennis Allen is an idiot.
Pryor was responsible for 3 touchdowns in a quarter and a half.
When has Palmer done that?
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Against scrubs who aren’t even in the NFL anymore? Not sure.
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Oh, and what did Palmer do against the KC scrubs today? Half of them wont be in the NFL and we couldnt muster a TD.
All we did was ruin our draft position. Yet you think that was a good thing? Riiiight.
Is this Alex7 or someone else? Because this isnt Kells style.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Man, I love watching the passion Brady plays with, I wish we had someone like that on our team.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
355,
There were guys debating for a long time on how DHB turned out to be the better pick.
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Crabtree is a natural catcher, DHB is just a much better athlete they both can be effective but if I had a chance to take either I might take DHB due to his speed and athleticism. People will sya he drops a lot of passes which just isn’t true he’s just not as natural catching the football but he does everything else much better than Crabtree RAC stronger better blocker. Crabtree may have him in route running as well but DHB gets open fine.
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Crab holds almost every college receiving record there is. Won the Belitnikoff award not once, but twice. a Record. Won it as a freshman. A record.
DHB has zero awards.
DHB isn’t even a worry, where Crabtree is the Niners go to guy.
You really should just shut up.
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Crabtree is a lazy route runner and a headcase just waiting to happen (but what WR that is good isnt right?)
There were much better WRs that draft than either of these two bums.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Da Trinity Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Man, I love watching the passion Brady plays with, I wish we had someone like that on our team.
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the closest thing we got in the “passion” department only got one pass attempt today and probably wont see another. SMH.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Wow. Horrible PI call against the Niners just now. Brady gets all the breaks.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Fake KK,I don’t dislike Harbaugh because he coaches the whiners.I just don’t like his punk a$$.It wouldn’t make any difference where he coached.
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You’re full of schitt. Every single time the Niners are mentioned you cream yourself and start whining how you hate them. Every single time. Every team, included the Raiders, wanted harbaugh. You stating you hate the guy makes you his bich.
“Seriosly, rather funny seeing how obsessed you are in hating the Niners. You reeally took their dynasty hard, didn’t you? Something tells me family members have laughed a lot at you.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
It’s gut check time for the Niners. This one is gonna sting.
They shoulda known better. Bellicheat wasnt going to roll over that easy.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
da trinity Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Man, I love watching the passion Brady plays with, I wish we had someone like that on our team.
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We do. His name is Coyie Francies.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
“Wide receiver Denarius Moore, who caught five passes for 46 yards, struggled to field punts, misjudging the flight before backing off.”
Denarius just made a business decision. He wasn’t going to sacrifice his body in a meaningless game.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Officiating in the nfl is a complete joke.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
It’s gut check time for the Niners. This one is gonna sting.
They shoulda known better. Bellicheat wasnt going to roll over that easy.
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Are u a Raider AND niner fan too?
December 16th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Lets see what Kapernick’s got
December 16th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
It’s gut check time for the Niners. This one is gonna sting.
They shoulda known better. Bellicheat wasnt going to roll over that easy.
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Are u a Raider AND niner fan too?
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love this game, because either way you win. I hate the Pats and the Niners
December 16th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
“Seriosly, rather funny seeing how obsessed you are in hating the Niners. You reeally took their dynasty hard, didn’t you? Something tells me family members have laughed a lot at you.============================
Maybe, but his family only laughed at his football allegiances.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Wow. Horrible PI call against the Niners just now. Brady gets all the breaks.
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Aldon Smith was getting held big time too.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
We woulda mailed it in after a 10 point deficit cause knapp doesn’t have the ‘it’ factor to overcome that.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
It’s gut check time for the Niners. This one is gonna sting.
They shoulda known better. Bellicheat wasnt going to roll over that easy.
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Are u a Raider AND niner fan too?
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Are you serious?
Im rooting for Al Queda in this matchup. But sadly, NFL security has done their job.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
RaiderSam Says:
love this game, because either way you win. I hate the Pats and the Niners=====================================
Kinda of hate it for the same reason. But I would love to see whiners blow a 28 pt lead. Pulling for Brady, now.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
391.Kirk Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
“Wide receiver Denarius Moore, who caught five passes for 46 yards, struggled to field punts, misjudging the flight before backing off.”
Denarius just made a business decision. He wasn’t going to sacrifice his body in a meaningless game.
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We need more players on this team that play hard and focused all the time, not just sometimes. Raider players have been making “business decisions” for far too long, and the record shows it.
I hope you’re wrong about DMoore.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Lets see what Kapernick’s got
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I’d say the whole team is in shock right now. Momentum is dead. Kap is playing tight and the play calling is tight. Defense is getting jobbed by both ill-inspired play and the refs.
Tough lesson to learn. Its a 60 minute game. Not 45 min. Tough way to learn it.
I really dont know who I hate more. Ninter or Pats. It’s a toss up.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Very mixed feelings about this one, even as it was going on.
I often found myself rooting for individual Raiders to make plays, but also rooting for KC’s offense to rally late and beat us.
As it ended, I did not at all feel good about the win. Would’ve been better to lose, keep the high pick and hopefully get this entire coaching staff packed away.
The Chiefs are HOLY SHlT terrible. This win proves absolutely nothing and could cost us significantly in the long run.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Gotta go. 8:30 on Sunday nights is when the Mrs expects me to massage her feet.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Harbaugh has got to be concerned right now. Notice how the camera doesn’t show his wet spot where he’s been pissing his pants.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
It’s gut check time for the Niners. This one is gonna sting.
They shoulda known better. Bellicheat wasnt going to roll over that easy.
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Are u a Raider AND niner fan too?
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Are you serious?
Im rooting for Al Queda in this matchup. But sadly, NFL security has done their job.
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All good. I know we have some niner sympathizers here.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Very mixed feelings about this one, even as it was going on.
I often found myself rooting for individual Raiders to make plays, but also rooting for KC’s offense to rally late and beat us.
As it ended, I did not at all feel good about the win. Would’ve been better to lose, keep the high pick and hopefully get this entire coaching staff packed away.
The Chiefs are HOLY SHlT terrible. This win proves absolutely nothing and could cost us significantly in the long run.
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I feel ya.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Come on Niners this can’t happen it would be bard to swallow. The Brady’s are comin’…….lol
December 16th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Down 31 -3 to tie is not good..
December 16th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
The elite QB spotted the elite defense and O-line 4 TD’s.
Don’t matter.
QB always wins.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Wow.
I knew Brady wasn’t done yet.
Just dissecting the niner d.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Tie ballgame boys Niners fans just broke the tv’s
I have noticed over the last few weeks the Niners defense breaks down in the 4th qrtrs. This going to hurt bad if they lose……..lol
December 16th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
I have a feeling the Niners still pull it out.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Very mixed feelings about this one, even as it was going on.
I often found myself rooting for individual Raiders to make plays, but also rooting for KC’s offense to rally late and beat us.
As it ended, I did not at all feel good about the win. Would’ve been better to lose, keep the high pick and hopefully get this entire coaching staff packed away.
The Chiefs are HOLY SHlT terrible. This win proves absolutely nothing and could cost us significantly in the long run.
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I feel ya.
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You can’t play to lose. That is like the ultimate low in sports. But…you can play ALL your young guys and see what happens.
THAT is what DA should have done.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Just a feeling that NE got all the breaks and put everything they had into the comeback, and SF’s D will make a play now to take it back.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
People talking about draft spots are ridiculous.
First off, this draft sucks, you will have 32 teams trying to trade down, and 0 teams trying to trade up, so that ship sailed.
Next, who cares if we pick 3rd,6th or 9th? We can knock it out the park or whiff massively in either of those spots.
Lastly, the whole staff might get fired with or without a win today. A good chunk of players are staying either way. They need to learn to win.
Insanity thinking that winning a game or two and slipping 4 spots in the draft is the death nail.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
What a game man. Next week the Niners have Seattle for the division lead.
That was Quick man Kappy getting it done…
December 16th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
I sweat I typed those last two posts prior to the kick return and then the TD toss.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
They are going to score 40 pts. on the Pat’s defense with Kappy.
Stunning!!!!!!
December 16th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
I don’t hate the patriots, its the refs that screwed us in the Snow. I believe the pats rum a solid organization. I hard the niners though with a passion.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
It’s gut check time for the Niners. This one is gonna sting.
They shoulda known better. Bellicheat wasnt going to roll over that easy.
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Are u a Raider AND niner fan too?
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Are you serious?
Im rooting for Al Queda in this matchup. But sadly, NFL security has done their job.
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All good. I know we have some niner sympathizers here.
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I aint no “sympathyzer”. I hate the Niners about as much as one can. Put these bastards in any order you want:
Dungver
Queefs
SanDiusky
Whiners
Bellicheats
Schittsburgh
TunaFish
December 16th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
On the Pryor first snap, two O-lineman moved.
I think he screwed up the snap count.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Kellogg tell phyllis diller we said hello.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Very mixed feelings about this one, even as it was going on.
I often found myself rooting for individual Raiders to make plays, but also rooting for KC’s offense to rally late and beat us.
As it ended, I did not at all feel good about the win. Would’ve been better to lose, keep the high pick and hopefully get this entire coaching staff packed away.
The Chiefs are HOLY SHlT terrible. This win proves absolutely nothing and could cost us significantly in the long run.
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I feel ya.
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You can’t play to lose. That is like the ultimate low in sports. But…you can play ALL your young guys and see what happens.
THAT is what DA should have done.
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I think DA is probably coaching for his job and feels he needs a couple of wins to be brought back next year. With that reality, you can’t fairly expect the guy to be concerned with taking a look at inexperienced rookies over the veterans he feels give him a better chance to win.
Not in the best interest of the Raiders, but DA probably figures he needs to do what he needs to do. I doubt Mark and Chubby Checker have given him any mandates on playing the young guys, so he’ll do what he thinks will make the best case for him keeping his job, which is winning a few here at the end. The whole thing is a disgrace.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Great game….WOW!
December 16th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I was not in favor of drafting Honey Badger, I don’t think he will ever amount to anything defensively.
But we HAVE TO figure out this return game thing. We have lost 8 fumbled punts since we last returned one for a TD. We have guys averaging 3 yards a return back there.
They can’t even execute a f’n fair catch and cost us field position constantly.
Enough is enough. Draft the spice smoking midget as a return man only.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I meant I hate the niners
December 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
What coach isn’t coaching for his job?
You want DA to just say screw it and play the youngsters, go for it everytime on 4th down and all that, fine.
Extend and guarantee his contract. He will happily do it.
Until then, he is like every other NFL HC who ever wore a handset. He is trying to win he is coaching.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
I have a question.
How the heck does SF stockpile all this talent and still stay under the cap?
December 16th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Hanson is a baller though, nice pick up reggie.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
I have a question.
How the heck does SF stockpile all this talent and still stay under the cap?
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Because unlike Reggie, other gms learn to work the system instead of using it as an excuse.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
19 guys assisted on a tackle today.
Our starting MLB Gaither was not one of them. Goose eggs across the board.
Not sure what is more amazing, that a MLB can play a whole game and not even assist on a tackle, or that a team that gets zero production from their MLB could still pitch a shutout.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Raiders must and should defeat San Diego.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Rudegruden Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
I have a question.
How the heck does SF stockpile all this talent and still stay under the cap?
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Because unlike Reggie, other gms learn to work the system instead of using it as an excuse.
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true.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
At least DA proved he could beat the worst team in football. KC is bad by a lot. But I did not see any silver linings here. We failed to score a TD. That doesn’t bode we’ll for next season.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
How the heck does SF stockpile all this talent and still stay under the cap?
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Great drafts.
Aldon Smith’s rookie contract was for 4 YEARS, at 14.65 million.
We will pay Dick Seymour more in one season then SF will pay Aldon in 4.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Al traded a first round pick and then gave the guy record money.
SF would have just drafted a guy #17 who is better then Seymour, and saved about 80% of the cap room per year.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
People talking about draft spots are ridiculous.
First off, this draft sucks, you will have 32 teams trying to trade down, and 0 teams trying to trade up, so that ship sailed.
Next, who cares if we pick 3rd,6th or 9th? We can knock it out the park or whiff massively in either of those spots.
Lastly, the whole staff might get fired with or without a win today. A good chunk of players are staying either way. They need to learn to win.
Insanity thinking that winning a game or two and slipping 4 spots in the draft is the death nail.
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Don’t mean to overstate it, and you make some fair points, but:
1) The guy who I’d like to get, LT Luke Joeckel from Tex A&M, could be the No. 1 overall pick, unless the Chiefs decide to go QB. If we drop out of the top 3 I think there’s almost no chance we get him. The other guy I’d like there, Utah DT Star Lotulelei, is also not going to be around for long.
2) I think that in their hearts, Mark Davis and Reggie do not want to change coaches and will look for any possible excuse to be able to do that. I think if DA wins one more game we’re very likely stuck with him, unless Mark already has a deal in principle to bring back Gruden. If we had lost out, I think the odds are that we’d be making a switch.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Guys, not sure if this is a dumb question? Could be but it wouldn’t be the first in here.
Hue J, won 8 games last year.
If DA wins 6, how much better is Hue really? Include the change in offense and defensive schemes, coaches, players etc…
It’s all about wins isn’t it?
No one answerd last time.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
People talking about draft spots are ridiculous.
First off, this draft sucks, you will have 32 teams trying to trade down, and 0 teams trying to trade up, so that ship sailed.
Next, who cares if we pick 3rd,6th or 9th? We can knock it out the park or whiff massively in either of those spots.
Lastly, the whole staff might get fired with or without a win today. A good chunk of players are staying either way. They need to learn to win.
Insanity thinking that winning a game or two and slipping 4 spots in the draft is the death nail.
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Don’t mean to overstate it, and you make some fair points, but:
1) The guy who I’d like to get, LT Luke Joeckel from Tex A&M, could be the No. 1 overall pick, unless the Chiefs decide to go QB. If we drop out of the top 3 I think there’s almost no chance we get him. The other guy I’d like there, Utah DT Star Lotulelei, is also not going to be around for long.
2) I think that in their hearts, Mark Davis and Reggie do not want to change coaches and will look for any possible excuse to be able to do that. I think if DA wins one more game we’re very likely stuck with him, unless Mark already has a deal in principle to bring back Gruden. If we had lost out, I think the odds are that we’d be making a switch.
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It’d be a perfect draft for Gruden. Re-energize fan base, and Gruden could get the quality staff and not be second guessed, either.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
unless Mark already has a deal in principle to bring back Gruden.
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Didn’t Cork say in his live chat that the Raider “beat writers” (i.e. himself) spoke to Gruden itself and it ain’t happening?
No coach with options is going to a team without a long-term QB solution and stadium.
This job is probably the worst in all of sports. We are fairly lucky DA didn’t turn us down.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I was not in favor of drafting Honey Badger, I don’t think he will ever amount to anything defensively.
But we HAVE TO figure out this return game thing. We have lost 8 fumbled punts since we last returned one for a TD. We have guys averaging 3 yards a return back there.
They can’t even execute a f’n fair catch and cost us field position constantly.
Enough is enough. Draft the spice smoking midget as a return man only.
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Moore was horrendous today. That was like lousy high school caliber punt return action. An embarrassment.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
If Ray McDonald played for Al, he would have re-upped him at 9 years $137 million.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Yeah. Way too many excuses.
It’s obvious Lechler is a luxury we can’t afford.
Yet SF manages to keep Lee…and he’s supposedly a better punter than Lechler to some.
Than in the offseason, they pick up Moss…
Seriously. You’d think SF will have to pay the piper at some point.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Rude #431, Reggie inherited the worse cap scenario in the history of the NFL, with a roster full of players who felt they were/are entitled to Davis’ paychecks.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
I have a question.
How the heck does SF stockpile all this talent and still stay under the cap?
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The Niners are just an extremely well coached team man. Their talent is great in certain areas but they are very well coached………..that is the difference.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
… We are fairly lucky DA didn’t turn us down.
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Ummmmmm, yeah. How do you figure again?
December 16th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
49ers are lucky the Pats fumbled and bumbled for 2.5 quarters. If these 2 teams meet in the dome, Patriots kill them!
December 16th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
I still like Atlanta in the NFC. They do not lose at home.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Rude #431, Reggie inherited the worse cap scenario in the history of the NFL, with a roster full of players who felt they were/are entitled to Davis’ paychecks.
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You don’t have to make excuses for Reggie.
He does plenty of that for himself.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
I liked Wilcotts comments on McFadden today.
If he left, he would go be a 3rd down back for a good team.
Way too stiff, way too injury-prone, and fumbles more then you would like.
I didn’t think he was a FA at the end of the year, but if so, I would offer him about what Bush got in the open-market.
And, it may just be his best offer he gets.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
It’ll be interesting to see how New Eng. executes this onside kick.
We don’t seem able to do that well.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
..no better than we do.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
I’ve heard rumors the Lions are souring on Suh quite some.
I would offer them McFadden (sign and trade if need be) along with a 2014 first round pick for him and see if that is enough.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
When I say our team is demoralized people mistake it for they wont play hard. You have to play hard or you’ll get embarrassed and hurt. What I mean is they’re playing for themselves instead of as a team. Cohesion is important and chemistry is important. When players see things aren’t right they look out for their careers because that’s really all they have.
When a great HC comes in the players want to be led so if the can buy into his program as a team you have chemistry. That’s when you start playing for each other and the coaches it’s hard to explain but it’s easy to see when you see it.
That in a nutshell is the difference between the Niners and the Raiders. ,leadership and coaching………period
December 16th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
And I wouldn’t mind Jim Schwartz as our DC next season.
Tarver is too geeky for me.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
454
In a heartbeat.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
When the game ended, I saw a hanful of players (Veldheer, MM34 mainly) go up and give props to DA.
First person those two players approached.
Honestly, those two might be 2 of our best 10 players we return next year.
MM34 is carving a nice niche as a 3rd down blitzer.
Very Carnell Lake like.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Alias,aka fake KK-I hated Harbaugh before he became coach of your beloved whiners.I hated the whiners before they had their 12 year run.Our run was for 18 years,BTW.Sure i hated their run,just like I hated it when the Donkeys won,NE went on their run,and when the Colts dominated.I hate it when any team but the Oakland Raiders win.Lucky for you ,you weren’t born when the Raiders were great and your Whiners were the joke of the NFL.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Rude #431, Reggie inherited the worse cap scenario in the history of the NFL, with a roster full of players who felt they were/are entitled to Davis’ paychecks.
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I didn’t know Reggie had his own login to this site.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
beach Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
I still like Atlanta in the NFC. They do not lose at home.
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I don’t necessarily agree, but one thing that jumps out at you if you watch really good, really consistent offenses like ATL and NE is they have brilliant move-the-chains receivers. For ATL that’s Tony Gonzalez. For the Pats it’s Welker.
We don’t have one of those. At all. The only guy who you might remotely consider a move-the-chains guy is Myers. Myers is really not very good. He accumulates stats basically because he can find little openings in the zone and position himself against defenders where he can pick up 5 yard gains and because our receivers rarely get open. Myers looks terrible as a blocker more often than not and while he catches some balls, I’m not sure he’s made a defender miss all season.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
We don’t know for sure that Reggie inherited the worst situation in nfl history.
We’d have to meticulously breakdown all 32 teams over the last 30 yr’s just to say it is the worst in modern day nfl.
It SEEMS it was a horrible situation and some slack is merited, but the great teams…leaders…gm’s, coaches…don’t make excuses.
Does every successful team in the nfl have a balanced budget? I don’t know. I don’t think so.
I do believe that there were some out of whack contracts and that Al did indeed overpay for marginal talent but at some point we have to say enuff is enuff with excuses.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Harbaugh is a great leader always was he understand what makes players tick and how to get the going in the right direction.
DA has a lot to learn in those areas he basically divides his own team by stuff like what he did today. Players wont say anything but they know they don’t like it. No one wants to see their team mate get embarrassed like that by the coach who’s supposed to be leading them.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Myers is average.
Good in some area’s (hands mostly and getting a release of the LOS) but below average in others.
Maybe The Reggie will think he can get through to Jermichael Finley, as word was today that the Packers are done with him and his antics at year end.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
If we had the replacement kick-off in place, Brady would’ve had to convert a 4th and 15 from his own 30 just now. I hate Brady, but how exciting would that have been?
December 16th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
but at some point we have to say enuff is enuff with excuses.
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Absolutely. It is year end 2013.
You can’t hire a GM, give him a supp 3rd round pick and bad cap situation and tell him he has one year or he is toast.
If that were the case, might as well not hired him, saved the cash and just asked the Magic 8-ball to be the GM.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
but at some point we have to say enuff is enuff with excuses.
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Absolutely. It is year end 2013.
You can’t hire a GM, give him a supp 3rd round pick and bad cap situation and tell him he has one year or he is toast.
If that were the case, might as well not hired him, saved the cash and just asked the Magic 8-ball to be the GM.
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Maybe the new era begins next year – the right draft picks, the right plays and it all comes together.
It just wasnt meant to be this year?
December 16th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
I’ve heard rumors the Lions are souring on Suh quite some.
I would offer them McFadden (sign and trade if need be) along with a 2014 first round pick for him and see if that is enough.
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No thanks. Suh is a physically dominant guy, but I’ve seen more than one analyst break down tape that shows him playing undisciplined and basically being the culprit on a lot of blown plays by the Lions defense because of it. If the Lions have soured on him, I’m sure it’s more because of this sort of thing than anything else.
McFadden under Hue was one of the best RBs in football. No way do I trade him and a 2014 first rounder for Suh. Maybe one or the other. Definitely not both.
Gotta remember too that with the new rookie salary structure the 2014 first rounder will make far less than Suh and we’ll have him locked up longer.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
What player got embarressed today?
Pryor? He got a series, based scictly off being a draft pick and nothing else.
I’m sure there were O-lineman and WR’s in the game wondering why the hell he was in the huddle to begin with.
DHB didn’t seem too interested in running a route for him.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Myers is average.
Good in some area’s (hands mostly and getting a release of the LOS) but below average in others.
Maybe The Reggie will think he can get through to Jermichael Finley, as word was today that the Packers are done with him and his antics at year end.
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Or Notre Dame’s Tyler Eifert in the later rounds – he might be as good as a no. 1 receiver (as a tight end) – or would Greg Knapp be too conservative and stupid to even utilize him?
December 16th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
NO excuses for McKenzie by the end of next year.
His first round pick has to be a clear-cut baller. He has to make a splash (a good one, not a belly-flop) in the FA market. He has to figure out the cap, not only for 2013 but beyond.
Lots of work ahead. We will see if he is up to it.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Eifert will be a top 20 pick. Top 25 at worst.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
McFadden under Hue was one of the best RBs in football.
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You mean under Tom Cable?
That hybrid O-line Tommy had going in 2010 was awesome.
And Al said he would have fired him even if he made the playoffs that year. After we beat the Chiefs week 17, he was nearly mobbed by half the sideline.
It’s been all downhill since then. He is looking great in Seattle and will be a HC well before Hue is even interviewed for one.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
but at some point we have to say enuff is enuff with excuses.
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Absolutely. It is year end 2013.
You can’t hire a GM, give him a supp 3rd round pick and bad cap situation and tell him he has one year or he is toast.
If that were the case, might as well not hired him, saved the cash and just asked the Magic 8-ball to be the GM.
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I think we should Reggie another year. However, for him to come out publicly and use the salary cap as an excuse to get worse from year to year is a joke. He wanted to completely start over and he needs to be held accountable. We have hit rock bottom and Reggie’s decisions have played a big roll with that. He needs to prove himself and prove himself quickly. To say we didn’t prove over last year because of the cap could be understandable, but to look this bad, regress this bad and have that as your excuse is just wrong.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Rude you must be hoping we had keep/resign Routt. Where is he now, couldn’t even cut it on Kansas City’s sorry secondary? What’s Boss done? What has Murphy accomplished? Or that overpaid de/lb pass rushing specialist done, I don’t even remember his name?
Goodson has been a solid backup; Reece far more important than Bush to our Raiders.
Jason Campbell got stabbed in the back by Hue, not Reggie.
That the Raiders did not have a first, second, or true (compliant with our record and could be traded) was Al & Hue’s fault, not Reggie’s.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
We have hit rock bottom
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Rock bottom?
Far from it. We went 5-11 for like 6 straight years.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Raiders coach Dennis Allen apparently made it clear to the CBS crew doing the game that Palmer is his “quarterback of the future,” and that Pryor is a wrinkle.
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What does this mean? Is DA asking to be fired like Lane was? Clearly the owner has said he wanted to see Pryor play. Fans wants to see him play. And yet DA puts Pryor in for three plays and calls two run plays and another pocket pass? R U kiddin’ me? Up by 15 points he still didn’t put him back in. Romo called DA out after the game saying the same thing.
I’m telling you guys DA is asking to be fired now and pocket $12M “Kiffin” style. I sure hope Mark Davis obliges him.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
McFadden under Hue was one of the best RBs in football.
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You mean under Tom Cable?
That hybrid O-line Tommy had going in 2010 was awesome.
And Al said he would have fired him even if he made the playoffs that year. After we beat the Chiefs week 17, he was nearly mobbed by half the sideline.
It’s been all downhill since then. He is looking great in Seattle and will be a HC well before Hue is even interviewed for one.
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It’s been well documented that Hue was running the offense in 2010 and obviously in 2011. It’s even been said that Hue was the de facto head coach in 2010. McFadden had his breakout year in 2010 under Hue’s new scheme. He was the best RB in football through 6 games in Hue’s second season with the Raiders. Cable had always been strictly a ZBS guy and McFadden struggled in the system in those rare instances when Cable would play him in lieu of Fargas.
Cable was 4-8 and 5-11 before Hue’s arrival. Then he went 8-8 with Hue running the offense. Then Hue went 8-8 without Cable. Now we’re 4-10.
Are we really still “hip-hip-hooraying” Tom Cable?
December 16th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
We have hit rock bottom
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Rock bottom?
Far from it. We went 5-11 for like 6 straight years.
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You really think we can get worse?
December 16th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Rude you must be hoping we had keep/resign Routt. Where is he now, couldn’t even cut it on Kansas City’s sorry secondary? What’s Boss done? What has Murphy accomplished? Or that overpaid de/lb pass rushing specialist done, I don’t even remember his name?
Goodson has been a solid backup; Reece far more important than Bush to our Raiders.
Jason Campbell got stabbed in the back by Hue, not Reggie.
That the Raiders did not have a first, second, or true (compliant with our record and could be traded) was Al & Hue’s fault, not Reggie’s.
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At no point did I mention the above. Not sure where you got that from.
My point simple Reggie has blown up the team and currently we are worse for it. Reggie then goes on record and used the cap as an excuse. Top execs don’t use excuses especially on the record.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
rudegruden Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
We have hit rock bottom
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Rock bottom?
Far from it. We went 5-11 for like 6 straight years.
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You really think we can get worse?
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I think rock bottom may be the day when the Raiders announce DA and Co. are returning for the 2013 season.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I was not in favor of drafting Honey Badger, I don’t think he will ever amount to anything defensively.
But we HAVE TO figure out this return game thing. We have lost 8 fumbled punts since we last returned one for a TD. We have guys averaging 3 yards a return back there.
They can’t even execute a f’n fair catch and cost us field position constantly.
Enough is enough. Draft the spice smoking midget as a return man only.
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If we got Mathieu as a return man we would be looking for another return man the following year. Dude is too good as a defensive player to risk on returns.
He is better than Joselio Hanson right now (if he ain’t high and in shape).
December 16th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
We were regressing at the end of last season; we were 7-4; went 1-4 last five games of the season.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
I’m out.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
That’s it for me Nation! Thanks Necktie
December 16th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Why does every sports city have new stadiums except the city of Oakland? It is really a sad story! 49ers and Giants have everything, and we have nothing!
December 16th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Rude, I’m just pointing out the moves Reggie made with last seasons roster.
Only semi-bad move Reggie has made has been losing Satele for Brisiel.
We were all excited to see Wisniewski move to center.
Allen hiring Knapp has been the crux of the season. Reggie needed to give DA autonomy in hiring his own coaching staff or we have no shot at hiring a Cowher, Dungy, Johnson, etc…
December 16th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Today Palmer faces a gut check. If he has a pulse he will recognize that Pryor is being evaluated & the long term Implications of this move. Any time a qb doesnt win & turns the ball over like Carson has in his tryout season the. Is told to hit the bench for any snaps he should know to have his Travel agent on Speed dial.
What if Carson plays poorly like he has over this six game skid? Could he further erode the gm & owners confidence? What if Pryor makes a big play in his limited snaps, without even having he benefit of increases practice reps?
Pryor has a chance to force his way onto the field & into a full honest competition for next season.
If I were knapp & Allen I would do everything in my power to prep pryor. If he does well & adds a spark it could quiet down the critics of knapp and Allen and justify their return & possibly even build excitement for the team. Ext year.
We already know Carson & knapp together have not delivered.
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missdick, u make urself look more ridiculous with every post.
palmer’s tryout season. hilarious.
he has eroded reggie’s and mark’s confidence? never heard that from anyone outside of this blog.
pryor looked like he’s really knocking on the door today huh?
u would do everything u could to prep pryor? really? i wouldn’t have guessed.
pryor looked “space-age” today.
LOL.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Alias,aka fake KK-I hated Harbaugh before he became coach of your beloved whiners.I hated the whiners before they had their 12 year run.Our run was for 18 years,BTW.Sure i hated their run,just like I hated it when the Donkeys won,NE went on their run,and when the Colts dominated.I hate it when any team but the Oakland Raiders win.Lucky for you ,you weren’t born when the Raiders were great and your Whiners were the joke of the NFL.
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You’re a liar. You didn’t give a damn about harbaugh before he was with the Niners. why would you? What did harbaugh do that would make an old grown man say he hates him?
All of us hate it when Raiders don’t win (niners might be your familys team, hence you crying when they win, but not mine) but you have a full blown meltdown whenever the Niners are mentioned. So yeah, they pretty much own your sorryass, much like I do on this board.
And the last time Raiders were great? Anyone who was alive for that stretch is retired now. Much like your brain, and balls have.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Pelosi is your rep.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
beach Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Why does every sports city have new stadiums except the city of Oakland? It is really a sad story! 49ers and Giants have everything, and we have nothing!
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Shouldn’t have said that. Lefty is going to blow a head gasket now. That bubblelicious bootbutt.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Rude, I’m just pointing out the moves Reggie made with last seasons roster.
Only semi-bad move Reggie has made has been losing Satele for Brisiel.
We were all excited to see Wisniewski move to center.
Allen hiring Knapp has been the crux of the season. Reggie needed to give DA autonomy in hiring his own coaching staff or we have no shot at hiring a Cowher, Dungy, Johnson, etc…
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how do you explain signing seymour to a new contract that hits our cap by 5+ miil when hes cut next year, what about the franchising branch than giving him long term contract, or signing bartell as a number 1 cb then cutting him.. add brisel, spencer and you have a gm who had a bad year.
December 16th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
been designing plays all week, huh? two hand offs and a patented Nap slant into triple coverage… what a joke this staff is.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
this:
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
but at some point we have to say enuff is enuff with excuses.
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Absolutely. It is year end 2013.
You can’t hire a GM, give him a supp 3rd round pick and bad cap situation and tell him he has one year or he is toast.
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I’m giving Reggie ’til 2014. Our roster is THAT bad and NO team turns it around in 2 years without a LEGIT QB. No team does.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
notes from today:
the team has NOT quit on DA. lots of hustle. maybe mcclain’s absence has had a positive effect.
maybe dmc is healthy now.
i told u guys in preseason goodson was a good back.
where’s reece?
houston is a player.
i like bilukidi. he was getting after it.
let’s face it though. we looked better today cuz we were facing perhaps the worst team in the nfl, and we still only won 15-0.
must be palmer’s fault. cuz i know the two handoffs and one errant throw from pryor (now that he’s used to dressing) looked like he could be a top-3 qb. immediate upgrade over that horrible palmer guy.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
2-14
I wasn’t aware that Pryor only had one WR to throw to on that pass.
Oh wait, he’s NEVER been a QB who makes good decisions.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
A shut out win and all I see here is whining and people ready to jump off a bridge because they didn’t get to see more of Pryor.
We WON.
The team looked fired up… especially on defense. Why it took 13 games, who knows… but I am looking for improvement over regression. I saw improvement… next game… lets win that too! Baby steps before we fire Knapp!
December 16th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
I am always happy when the Raiders win. The Drsft pick thing has to play itself out. Good D!!! always good D with a goose egg. KC is one of the worst teams in the NFL so I would the to see the Raiders carry over this energy with another evenly match team next week.
The NE and SF game was great. Can’t hardly wait until the Raiders get there again!!!
December 16th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
notes from today:
the team has NOT quit on DA. lots of hustle. maybe mcclain’s absence has had a positive effect.
maybe dmc is healthy now.
i told u guys in preseason goodson was a good back.
where’s reece?
houston is a player.
i like bilukidi. he was getting after it.
let’s face it though. we looked better today cuz we were facing perhaps the worst team in the nfl, and we still only won 15-0.
must be palmer’s fault. cuz i know the two handoffs and one errant throw from pryor (now that he’s used to dressing) looked like he could be a top-3 qb. immediate upgrade over that horrible palmer guy.
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You are missing the boat. This was the worst game of the season because Pryor was supposed to play more and he was sometimes good in college so that means he will lead us to the SB if only he gets more chances.
This forum should be renamed the Pryor Fan Club Cheerleaders.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
lol
And we HAVE to fire DA and Reggie so that better coaches and GMs will come here.
Because OBVIOUSLY firing coaches every two years has brought us AMAZING coaches knocking our doors down.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
It has nothing to do with Pryor. This win was a fools gold game if i Ever seen one.
It was straight comical what the chiefs were doing. Clearly they were just messing around and tried to lose this game. Raiders could only get FG’s lol. Chiefs are horrible.
Lol at Raiders getting all exciting like they were beating someone worth a dayummm. Calm down bro.. u guys beat the chiefs and it was not pretty
December 16th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
The last win 7 weeks ago was against the chiefs lol
December 16th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
At the end of the day, there are some interesting and smart bloggers on her with great insight about the game but not one, will ever know how to accurately breakdown and evaluate a college or NFL player. Nobody in the NFL takes advice from a blog.
I’m worried that some of you might hurt yourselves if Pryor doesn’t get enough snaps in the reg season and gets traded.
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Christ. I hope nobody thinks that. I wanna see Pryor play too, but not because he is better than Palmer, or even in the same class frankly. But it’s for the same reasons I wanna see Jones and Ausberry play. I wanna see if they r any good. And I don’t trust knapp or DA to evaluate whether or not they r any good just from practice reps on the 3rd team. And I don’t wanna let them walk away without even seeing if they r any good under real game circumstances and see then flourish somewhere else. I’ve seen enough of that over the last 25 years. Yea, we’ve cut some bums. But we’ve lost some gems too. And yea, every team can say that, but we can’t afford anymore mistakes. I’m 44. I’m hoping for another playoff appearance before I’m dead. Any more mistakes, Washington, Russell, DHB and gallery instead of Rodgers, megatron or Crabtree? I can’t take any more AD shlt. I just hope the DA shlt is better. Not looking too good right now.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
alex, you can infer all that from three plays? you know schit about football
December 16th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
HELLLLOOOOOO!!!!
YOU PLAY….TA WIN THE GAME!!!
December 16th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
2-14 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
been designing plays all week, huh? two hand offs and a patented Nap slant into triple coverage… what a joke this staff is.
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so, u saw the strings too! i knew knapp had strings attached to pryor and forced him to throw that crappy pass into tight coverage! no way could the wave of the future, spage-age, cheetah-running qb with questionable passing skills from OSU do that on his own.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
I want to see if this Defense can stop Scam Newton next week since they are all like a Playoff type defense now.
They were swarming everywhere today. Lets see next week.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
I don’t think Pryor is the answer for the Raiders future but to confirm it he needs to play meaningful games.Allen needs to win games to gain confidence as well so it is a slippery slope. If coach Allen thinks he needs these games to evaluate the best players on Raiders to make crucial decisions like who to keep and to let go for his sake let it be. If Pryor is good enough the Raiders will keep him and make him the back up to Palmer and he will be Ready to go next year.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Gdog Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
A shut out win and all I see here is whining and people ready to jump off a bridge because they didn’t get to see more of Pryor.
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this is what it has come to. pryor has hypnotized the room. he could make them all flap their wings and squawk like chickens if he wanted to.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
I wanna see Pryor play too, but not because he is better than Palmer, or even in the same class frankly. But it’s for the same reasons I wanna see Jones and Ausberry play. I wanna see if they r any good.
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u know how most nfl fans know if a player on their team sucks? they can tell immediately by how they never see the field, since they know that nfl coaches will use any weapon they have to help them win.
translation if u haven’t already deciphered it:
ausberry, jones, and pryor apparently haven’t done enough good things in practice or when they play to merit putting them in games more often, according to these coaches. come to think of it, besides a play here or there, they haven’t exactly blown me away either. we know they are SUPPOSED to possess great skills cuz that’s what we were told when they were drafted.
do we really think this staff is secretly holding down these players from being amazing for some reason we can’t know about?
December 16th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
2romes Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
I don’t think Pryor is the answer for the Raiders future but to confirm it he needs to play meaningful games.Allen needs to win games to gain confidence as well so it is a slippery slope. If coach Allen thinks he needs these games to evaluate the best players on Raiders to make crucial decisions like who to keep and to let go for his sake let it be. If Pryor is good enough the Raiders will keep him and make him the back up to Palmer and he will be Ready to go next year.
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I think its pretty clear the guy has no clue what he is doing and this coaching staff is hitching their wagon to CP instead. I’d do the same thing if I were them duh.
That said, I will keep repeating, there is no reason that Pryor can’t have 3 to 5 plays in short yardage for a wildcat package. If nothing else it gives a DC something extra to prepare for.
Its not like CP is knocking it out of the park in goal line situations…
December 16th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
It has nothing to do with Pryor. This win was a fools gold game if i Ever seen one.
It was straight comical what the chiefs were doing. Clearly they were just messing around and tried to lose this game. Raiders could only get FG’s lol. Chiefs are horrible.
Lol at Raiders getting all exciting like they were beating someone worth a dayummm. Calm down bro.. u guys beat the chiefs and it was not pretty
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I don’t see where anyone is getting excited about beating the Cheifs today. Am I missing something? I scrolled thru most of the posts; and what do you mean by “you guys” beat the Chiefs? Are you referring to the Raider fans…of which you’re saying you are not?
Maybe you are talking about the players? If it’s the players you are referring to i don’t know how you expect them to react. They aren’t gonna walk around all depressed after a win no matter how few they have or who it is against.
I agree. This win was nothing to get all happy go lucky about.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
One would think if McK truly wanted to see more of Pryor it would have happened more… there was plenty of mop up time with KC barely moving the ball down 15.
Allen knows his wagon is hitched to CP. I don’t blame him for not messing with it… even though I am selfishly curious to see more what Pryor has too.
These guys are coaching for their careers.
I’m pretty sure they were told more to WIN than to play Pryor. The Pryor Cheerleaders need to figure this out.
He’s a third string QB.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
I don’t see where anyone is getting excited about beating the Cheifs today.
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It looks more here like we got beat by 40 points.
Very curious.
Now that we won I hope we win out… these things tend to build momentum!
December 16th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
It is a catch 22 because I think Coach Allen and DA Rookie sense hurt the Raiders right now. There is recorded proof 4-10. If the Raiders don’t get the best player evaluation from the coaches right now, that mean a full evaluation, the whole team may be hurt for years down the road. I really like Ausberry and it pains me to see him not playing!!Jones needs to be seen as well as pryor but Allen is playing his choosen best so let hope he is right on those choices.
December 16th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
By the way the Raiders were supposed to win this game in better fashion. A win is a win though.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Good lord…what would it have been like in here if we lost? Raider fans…sheesh.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Alias,aka fake KK-you are such a little,immature child.You seem to have a problem with adults.Whats the matter nobody to play with in the whiner blog?You are hilarious.Whenever anyone says anything about your beloved whiners you crawl into the fetal position and cry like the little biotch you really are.LMFAO
December 16th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
2romes Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
By the way the Raiders were supposed to win this game in better fashion. A win is a win though.
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Really?We were favored by more than 15?
December 16th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
DJ-watch carefully and they all expose themselves sooner or later.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Lefty12,I was talking about touchdowns instead of field goals. although seabaas is good I wan’t to see better production in the Red Zone.
December 16th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
OK,I agree with that.I like the fact we won in spite of Knapp.My biggest fear is he is retained.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:17 am
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