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Notes and quotes from Raiders-Chiefs game

By Steve Corkran
Sunday, December 16th, 2012 at 11:34 pm in Oakland Raiders.

As it turned out, the importance of the 49ers-Patriots game Sunday night dictated double duty on my part. Therefore, I shifted from the Raiders game to the 49ers game right away, without having any time to sit in on coach Dennis Allen’s news conference or scour the locker room for notes and quotes.
For that, we turn to beat writer Jerry McDonald, who did double duty of his own in performing his regular duties, as well as holding down the blog and writing an additional story.
So, here’s a collection of notes complied by Jerry.

The much-anticipated 2012 debut of quarterback Terrelle Pryor drew cheers from a paid crowd of 51,446 at O.co Coliseum on Sunday as he trotted on to the field.

In less than two minutes, it was over.

It amounted to a three-and-out, not including a false start, and starter Carson Palmer returned and finished the game, a 15-0 win over the Kansas City Chiefs.

If the Raiders had plans to put Pryor in position to either run or pass, it never happened because they punted so quickly. After the false start, Pryor lined up behind center, handed off twice to Darren McFadden and threw incomplete intended for Darrius Heyward-Bey on third-and-7.

“We had it set at just one series,” Pryor said. “It’s just a steppingstone. I enjoyed the four plays, or whatever it was, but I was excited to get in there at least.”

Coach Dennis Allen will let game situations dictate how much time Pryor gets going forward.

“How much he plays, I don’t know the answer to that exactly, but we’ll see on a game-by-game basis,” Allen said.

Pryor said he’s fine with that plan.

“I’m a team player, and whatever they need from me I’m going to do so we can win,” Pryor said. “I love learning from (Palmer), and I wouldn’t trade it for anything else. When the time’s right, I’ll be ready.”

Pryor was on the field for exactly one snap last season — a play in which he was called for a false start — against Kansas City.

Sebastian Janikowski moved into second place on the NFL’s all-time list in field goals of 50 yards or more with two against the Chiefs. He’s tied with John Kasay with 42.

Janikowski’s miss from 51 yards was his third miss of the season, with the others coming from 61 and 64 yards.

A pigeon took up residence on the field for the pregame and virtually the entire first half, and somehow managed to avoid getting stepped on. At one point in the second quarter, right guard Mike Brisiel gave it a gentle nudge with his foot — and heard a chorus of boos from the stands.

“I’m at the line of scrimmage and that thing is in between the defensive end and the outside linebacker. I mean, that’s kind of deadly,” Brisiel said. “I didn’t kick it. I was trying to shoo it along, and then I get booed for it. Something was wrong with that thing; it was a little off, I think.”

The pigeon, which didn’t attempt to fly away, was scooped into a bucket by a member of the field crew at halftime and taken to parts unknown.

Cornerback Phillip Adams left in the second quarter with his second concussion in three games and was replaced by Brandian Ross, who played well and was cited afterward by Allen.

Cornerback Joselio Hanson intercepted a Brady Quinn pass in the second quarter to help set up a Raiders field goal.

Quinn credited crowd noise in the Black Hole at the south end of the Coliseum for resulting in a delay-of-game penalty when the Chiefs were deep in Raiders territory.

Rolando McClain, coming off a two-game suspension and demoted to second-string middle linebacker in the base defense, was inactive for the first time in his NFL career.

“I just felt like we wanted to go with some other guys and we’d have him inactive this week,” Allen said.

Kansas City’s 119 yards of total offense are the lowest total surrendered by the Raiders since San Diego gained 93 yards in the Raiders’ 6-0 win on Oct. 6, 1975. The Chiefs had minus-1 yard of total offense in the first quarter, the first time the Raiders had held a team to minus yardage in the opening quarter since 1992.

Shane Lechler’s first punt of the day was No. 1,000 for his NFL career.

Wide receiver Denarius Moore, who caught five passes for 46 yards, struggled to field punts.

Long-snapper Jon Condo was honored before the game with the Commitment to Excellence award, given to the player most worthy of excellence on and off the field as voted by his teammates.

The four sacks were a Raiders’ season high, with Philip Wheeler, Andre Carter, Desmond Bryant and Tommy Kelly getting one each.

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  • DennisAllensVisor

    We couldnt get anything higher than a 4th for DMC.

    There is no market for RBs.

    He’s under contract for 1 more year WITH NO OPTIONS of any kind.

    He’ll be a Raider.

  • Chris in NY

    Why trade McFadden for a 3rd rounder or later? So Chubby Checker can get the next Bergstrom, Criner or Stupar? No thanks.

    Guys that late in the draft are going to be average at best, if they even make it out of camp with a roster spot. McFadden is obviously injury prone, but when he’s healthy and used right he’s one of the best backs in the game.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    The posts the last day have been surreal. I have never seen people so negative about a WIN! A win! I hope the Raiders win out. I hope the defense plays well with the new players they have found largely off the wire. Wheeler, Burris and now maybe the CB we just got may be keepers same with Hansen as a slot. Getting McClain out of there was a good thing! No leadership? Getting McClain out and then getting the defense to pitch a shutout is a reflection of leadership even if it only was KC.

    I too want Knapp fired. I have wanted him fired since the game after the bye week. I just do not think he has it. However I hope the Raiders win out and go 6-10. I do not think it is that important if you are picking #3 or #8 at least I do not want to see a team tank for it.

    A lot of these self professed experts clammering for Pryor were JR cheerleaders several years ago. You know who you are! Let the Coaching staff coach. Let Pryor develop. At least this year he is being coached. Your hero Hue did not even talk to him or even have a QB’s coach. That is according to a qoute from Pryor not some inudendo. I am cool seeing TP come in but only if it does not jepordize a game. Players will quit on you if you just put in inferior players and not do what it takes to win. I hope TP develops but I am realistic regarding what it will take for him to get there. It seems TP sees it himself why can’t some of you!?

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    # boss01 Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    I remember Hue being quoted as saying that DMC was the best back in the league “barnone”, over the likes of AP & Arian Foster. I remember buying in to that statement. Now I just feel real stupid.
    ===========================================

    We all did. We all thought McFadden was going to be extremely productive. But we all thought McClain was going to productive as well.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    DENNIS ALLEN MUST BE FIRED AT SEASONS END!!!

    Why would Pryor only get 1 chance to pass the ball? How is that in any way evaluating him or his future prospects?!?!

    This coach has now sacrificed a golden opportunity to increase pryor’s reps in practice, and give him snaps in the game!! This is inexcusable!!! For what you may ask? For a selfish win totla padding meaningless victory.

    So you mean to tell me that improving your record to 4-10 is more important than playing the one guy that made the most explosive plays through our entire preseason, and 3rd round drafted qb?!?!/

    Allen was clearly mandated to play pryor and instead he flips big mack and davis the bird!!

    This game was sold as pryor’s debut yet you only let him throw 1 pass?!?!?!

    Solomon wilcots said “dennis allen has already said that carson palmer IS the qb of the future, he is well aware of what happened across the bay to smith and kappy, and he wants no part of it here”

    This is clearly evidence that allen has no intention of ever letting pryor have a fair shot to complete.

    as a fan I feel cheated. I watched that entire game for one reason only and it wasntt o watch the raiders slog to a 5 field goal snooze fest of a win over the worst team in football.

    I watched came newton, russel wilson, kappy, and even kirk cousins playing and utilizing zone read and option offense, yet we were forced to watch palmer lead 5 agonizingly boring field goal drives?!?!/

    I am done with this team, and allen. i am done with his palmer worship at the expense of the team. his selfishness has robbed pryor of valuable development time, and he has robbed the starving fan base of a reason to continue watching this wretched brand of football. All so he can say he coached 4 victories.

    Fire this clown already

  • DKnight007

    Stewart and Goodson as our top backs next year??

    Hilarious!

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    Hwnrdr, you and some others make it plain that Norco does hit up the parking lot at O.Co. Does he actually go inside to the game, or is that part of his fantasy life,too?

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    DENNIS ALLEN MUST BE FIRED AT SEASONS END!!!

    Why would Pryor only get 1 chance to pass the ball?
    ===========================================

    Uh, maybe because if he were standing in the ocean he still couldn’t hit water with the ball?

  • DennisAllensVisor

    OC – Norv Turner & Carson Palmer at 1/3 of his current price would be extremely good.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    # DKnight007 Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Stewart and Goodson as our top backs next year??

    Hilarious!
    ============================================

    What’s even more hilarious is those two guys are our most productive backs.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Seymour Bush Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    # DKnight007 Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Stewart and Goodson as our top backs next year??

    Hilarious!
    ============================================

    What’s even more hilarious is those two guys are our most productive backs.

    —-

    Marcel Reece would like to see you in the kitchen.

  • DKnight007

    305.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    DENNIS ALLEN MUST BE FIRED AT SEASONS END!!!

    Why would Pryor only get 1 chance to pass the ball? How is that in any way evaluating him or his future prospects?!?!

    This coach has now sacrificed a golden opportunity to increase pryor’s reps in practice, and give him snaps in the game!! This is inexcusable!!! For what you may ask? For a selfish win totla padding meaningless victory.

    So you mean to tell me that improving your record to 4-10 is more important than playing the one guy that made the most explosive plays through our entire preseason, and 3rd round drafted qb?!?!/

    Allen was clearly mandated to play pryor and instead he flips big mack and davis the bird!!

    This game was sold as pryor’s debut yet you only let him throw 1 pass?!?!?!

    Solomon wilcots said “dennis allen has already said that carson palmer IS the qb of the future, he is well aware of what happened across the bay to smith and kappy, and he wants no part of it here”

    This is clearly evidence that allen has no intention of ever letting pryor have a fair shot to complete.

    as a fan I feel cheated. I watched that entire game for one reason only and it wasntt o watch the raiders slog to a 5 field goal snooze fest of a win over the worst team in football.

    I watched came newton, russel wilson, kappy, and even kirk cousins playing and utilizing zone read and option offense, yet we were forced to watch palmer lead 5 agonizingly boring field goal drives?!?!/

    I am done with this team, and allen. i am done with his palmer worship at the expense of the team. his selfishness has robbed pryor of valuable development time, and he has robbed the starving fan base of a reason to continue watching this wretched brand of football. All so he can say he coached 4 victories.

    Fire this clown already

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Exactly. They didn’t even give TP a chance running the zone read option plays.

    This staff is a joke!

    Keeping DA and this garbage coaching staff around is just a big waste of time when you see the big picture of things.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    DENNIS ALLEN MUST BE FIRED AT SEASONS END!!!

    Why would Pryor only get 1 chance to pass the ball? How is that in any way evaluating him or his future prospects?!?!
    ==========================================

    Actually they had Pryor set up that as long as he got first downs, he was going to stay in the game. He got no first downs, so he didn’t stay in the game. Don’t blame Allen, blame Pryor.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    1960AutumnWind Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
    ======================================================

    Good post but you were a little late on Knapp. Most of us wanted him fired when we found out he was hired.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Pryor sucks dude, hes being let go in a couple weeks. Reg tried to get a 7th rounder but couldnt. Bummer.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    DMC
    Reece
    Goodson
    Stewart
    Olawale

    Your 2013 Raiders backfield.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    RE Post 305.

    **Why would Pryor only get 1 chance to pass the ball? How is that in any way evaluating him or his future prospects?!?!**

    Why would a 3rd string QB not get in???? Because the game is in doubt still perhaps?

    Clearly mandated??? Did Al come back from the dead?

    This is what I mean about surreal posts over the last day!

    You act like TP is RGIII or something. He was Taken in the 3rd round. If the Raiders did not take him no telling how far he would of fell. I like TP and I think unlike JR and QB’s like Kyle Boller is working hard. I hope he makes it but really? Do you want to throw a game just to make sure our 3rd stringer is thorughly evaluated??? Whatever that means….

  • Chris in NY

    McClain has been super productive when healthy and used properly. He was averaging over 5 ypc under Hue and leading the league in rushing when he got hurt last year. It’s obvious that Knapp has little idea and little flexibility to suit his playcalling and design to suit McFadden’s strengths.

    I will say that Goodson looked really good yesterday. And while McFadden was solid, he was not quite himself. It was obvious he was having footing issues on a soggy field and the unsure footing slowed him down a step. But he was still solid.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Seymour Bush Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    DENNIS ALLEN MUST BE FIRED AT SEASONS END!!!

    Why would Pryor only get 1 chance to pass the ball?
    ===========================================

    Uh, maybe because if he were standing in the ocean he still couldn’t hit water with the ball?
    =======

    BULSHID!!!!!

    he hasnt gotten many reps in practice, he ihas been relegated to scout team.

    he completed 55% in pre season and only needs time on the field to show what he can or cant do

    besides this is the time to play young qbs and give them game experience, jake locker come to mind.

    THis is inexcusable and is now putting the organization behind in terms of draft preparedness

    Allen now has committed a tom cable type of selfish move that cant be forgiven and should coast him his job

  • Chris in NY

    Obviously meant to type McFadden and not McClain in that last post. I never thought McClain was good, even before we drafted him.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Pryor cant even get the ball snapped without a penalty,..hes stupid. Hes not Kkpaaappkkappprrrnikkp…get over it man. Dude sucks.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Chris in NY Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    McClain has been super productive when healthy and used properly. He was averaging over 5 ypc under Hue and leading the league in rushing when he got hurt last year. It’s obvious that Knapp has little idea and little flexibility to suit his playcalling and design to suit McFadden’s strengths.

    I will say that Goodson looked really good yesterday. And while McFadden was solid, he was not quite himself. It was obvious he was having footing issues on a soggy field and the unsure footing slowed him down a step. But he was still solid.

    —-

    Why did everyone else still look fast then?

    Ive said it before, DMC has been playing hurt all year. Been running gingerly all season. He doesnt want the fragile label so he tried to play through it.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
    1960AutumnWind Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
    ======================================================

    Good post but you were a little late on Knapp. Most of us wanted him fired when we found out he was hired.

    ************
    Yea I know. I thought we should give him a chance but after the bye week it was obvious he blew up the offense as on that game he had all the tools in play and still stunk it up offensively despite having time to gell. His recent comment about increased productivity next year is garbage! He has had enough time.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Seymour Bush Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    DENNIS ALLEN MUST BE FIRED AT SEASONS END!!!

    Why would Pryor only get 1 chance to pass the ball? How is that in any way evaluating him or his future prospects?!?!
    ==========================================

    Actually they had Pryor set up that as long as he got first downs, he was going to stay in the game. He got no first downs, so he didn’t stay in the game. Don’t blame Allen, blame Pryor.
    =======

    that is a retarded thing to do.

    So a guy that has never set foot on a field should be pulled aftr one 3 and out?

    YET PALMER CAN GO 3 AND OUT TIME AFTER TIME AND LEAD A LOUSY 4-10 RECORD AND NEVER BE BENCHED?!?!?!/!

    NO WONDER THIS TEAM HATES HIS GUTS HE IS TWO FACED AND DUPLICITOUS

    FIRE HIS AZZZ ALREADY

  • Dakota

    Andy Reid’s son, Garrett Reid, working as a strength and conditioning coach for the Eagles, had roids in his room when he died….in an amount that would be for more than just personal use.

    God, I hope the raiders players are not using roids….and still playing this poorly!

  • nycraider

    if your keeping knapp then trade dmac and one day he will come back and rush for 200 yards against us. If you are firing knapp then keep dmac . knapp is the biggest problem on offense but im not sure reggie has the same opinion.this blog will be on fire the day reggie announces he is retaining the coach and his staff.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    I watched that entire game for one reason only and it wasntt to watch the raiders slog to a 5 field goal snooze fest of a win over the worst team in football.
    I am done with this team,
    =======================================================

    As a fan of the Raiders, I’ll continue watching my team with Pryor or without. As a fan of Pryor only, do as you wish.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    MUST GO List:

    Darrius Heyward-Bey
    Khalif Barnes
    Mike Brisiel [depending on contract]
    Willie Smith
    Richard Seymour
    Dave Tollefson
    Matt Giordano

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    FIRE THIS STAFF TODAY!!!!!

    I watched that entire game and saw pryor get 3 lousy snaps?!?!?!

    This cant be excused, he isnt being evaluated, he isnt being prepared in practice.

    he is getting the taiwan jones treatment, why because allen didnt draft them?

    Allen is the worst coach i have ever seen.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    Lets trade Knapp not McFadden! He may be partially injured and his durability issues bother me but Knapp is the problem. His recent quotes about the all powerful scheme are disturbing.

    Al Davis once said about schemes – I like the winning scheme!

    Use the scheme don’t make yourself a cog in the scheme.

  • Chris in NY

    DA’s Visor,
    Injury may have played a part, but I think alot of it has to do with DMC’s style. If u watch, he tends to make these extreme cuts where his body’s at prob like a 30 degree angle to the ground. That’s how he’s able to just blow past guys and bounce runs to the outside, but sometimes it also causes him to slip to the ground when the turf gives out. On a wet field that’s an even bigger issue.

  • morilla

    I’m actually a little glad they aren’t playing TP. It’s going to cause some people on this blog to instantaneously combust or have an aneurism. The meltdowns are great.

  • nycraider

    can we all pitch in and buy cleats for the raiders that wont slip on our home field turf. ive never seen a home team keep slipping on grass while the visitors rarely do.

  • Dakota

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
    FIRE THIS STAFF TODAY!!!!!

    I watched that entire game and saw pryor get 3 lousy snaps?!?!?!

    This cant be excused, he isnt being evaluated, he isnt being prepared in practice.

    he is getting the taiwan jones treatment, why because allen didnt draft them?

    Allen is the worst coach i have ever seen.
    ++++++++++++++++++

    Maybe Pryor just isn’t very good like two coaching staffs and all 31 other teams have known since he declared for the supp draft?

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Allen is smart for not putting Pryor in,..dude cant complete passes in practice…hes done in a couple weeks. Allen will be back next year Mistic, so stock up on tissues now to get you through next season.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:

    YET PALMER CAN GO 3 AND OUT TIME AFTER TIME AND LEAD A LOUSY 4-10 RECORD AND NEVER BE BENCHED?!?!?!/!

    NO WONDER THIS TEAM HATES HIS GUTS HE IS TWO FACED AND DUPLICITOUS

    FIRE HIS AZZZ ALREADY
    ======================================================

    We wondered where you were this morning. Obviously calming down and composing yourself.

  • hwnrdr

    Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    Hwnrdr, you and some others make it plain that Norco does hit up the parking lot at O.Co. Does he actually go inside to the game, or is that part of his fantasy life,too?

    He goes inside as well! I know he has or still does talk to Amy Trask, not sure about going on the field, but not one to doubt him!

  • jesusraiderjim

    LMAO Purvisman

  • big pep

    Seymour Bush Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    DENNIS ALLEN MUST BE FIRED AT SEASONS END!!!

    Why would Pryor only get 1 chance to pass the ball? How is that in any way evaluating him or his future prospects?!?!
    ==========================================

    Actually they had Pryor set up that as long as he got first downs, he was going to stay in the game. He got no first downs, so he didn’t stay in the game. Don’t blame Allen, blame Pryor.
    “““““““““““““““““““““
    BULLSCHYT, T.P. was not given enough time.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    Quote: “Allen is the worst coach i have ever seen.”

    Then you obviously have not been a Raider fan very long. Art Shell II was way worse than this. The Bed and Breakfast offense was truely horrible and beyond anything we have seen this year. The only thing that let the Raiders win two games that year were turnovers and a decent pass defense. I suppose some pine for that team so we can get a #1 pick and find our new Jamarkus.

  • VanHeathen30

    DA and Mumbles can hang their hats on the fact we are better than 2 teams in the NFL…
    That’s some big time achievement.

  • bcz24

    Maybe Pryor just isn’t very good like two coaching staffs and all 31 other teams have known since he declared for the supp draft?
    **********
    Racist.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    Chris in NY Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
    “McClain has been super productive when healthy and used properly”

    **************
    I know you corrected it and meant McFadden. But how absurd that sounds now… I mean a guy off the street played way better yesturday!

  • VanHeathen30

    Mark can’t afford to fire DA and Reg…
    He’s going to be held hostage by those committed dollars until the end.
    Can’t be cheap buying up all those empty seats…
    Just wait until next season when even fewer people are showing up.

  • jesusraiderjim

    bcz24 Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
    Maybe Pryor just isn’t very good like two coaching staffs and all 31 other teams have known since he declared for the supp draft?
    **********
    Racist.

    —————————–
    How in the FVCK is this a RACIST post?

    STFU idiot. Go debate with MISDICK

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Purv,..seeing how you have interest in me I will clue you in,..Im at every game,..row 1 seats, I have pregame sideline on the field access,…and yes Im friends with the CEO…anything else you need?

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    FIRE THIS STAFF TODAY!!!!!

    I watched that entire game and saw pryor get 3 lousy snaps?!?!?!

    This cant be excused, he isnt being evaluated, he isnt being prepared in practice.

    he is getting the taiwan jones treatment, why because allen didnt draft them?

    Allen is the worst coach i have ever seen
    ————————
    We both knew the deal going into Sunday’s game, that Pryor would get a wildcat snap. And call it a day.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Purv,..seeing how you have interest in me I will clue you in,..Im at every game,..row 1 seats, I have pregame sideline on the field access,…and yes Im friends with the CEO…anything else you need?
    ————————
    You aint got schit btch, other than a need to be somebody.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    DKnight007 Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 11:55 am
    I’m telling you the Jets, Cowboys or Packers would be willing to give Raiders a 2nd Rounder for DMC.

    ======

    Not with a $6M one year contract they won’t. That would mean giving up a 2nd for a player that will either under produce for what he’s paid, or that will play up to his salary expectations and then go free agent the following season. Lose-lose for the team trading for him.

    The only way he gets traded would be for another over paid player at a different position in a mutual salary cap dump. That, or agrees to restructure his contract as a contingency of being traded.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    I dont have a house in Kaanapali either old kell,.. ;)