Previewing today’s Raiders vs. Chiefs game
By Jon Becker
Sunday, December 16th, 2012 at 12:01 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders will try to snap their six-game losing streak Sunday as they play their final home game of the season against the league’s worst team, Kansas City.
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December 16th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Word up!
December 16th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
I think Te’o as a top-3 pick is more of a media invention. I think when it’s all said and done, he goes around No. 10, which is about right.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Over/Under on Pryor snaps?
December 16th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Miller just drilled Flacco. Amazing crop of pass rushers in recent years: Watt, Miller, Aldon Smith, JPP, Clay Matthews.
Unfortunately for us, I don’t necessarily see a guy anywhere near that caliber in this year’s draft. Damontre Moore from A&M is probably the best of the bunch, but I tend to think he’s just OK and not elite. Maybe a 10 sack a year guy, not 20.
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Does he look any less impressive than Tuck, Uminyiora, or JPP did in college?
I dont think so.
My point being, it’s going to take a couple B+ DE’s and then they will look like world beaters. All the guys you mentioned that are elite, also happen to play on some pretty talented teams.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Over/Under on Pryor snaps?
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December 16th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Over/Under on Pryor snaps?
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Tough call. Could go with .5, or 5 depending on whether he plays at all.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
I think Te’o as a top-3 pick is more of a media invention. I think when it’s all said and done, he goes around No. 10, which is about right.
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I wouldn’t take him there either. Scouts are questioning his speed at the next level. It’s one thing to look good when you have a best NT and play most of your games against the worst BCS conference in the nation.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
I’d say Im pissed that Stewart isnt playing at RB, but I dont care. I just want us to beef up DMC’s trade value as much as possible.
Jeremy Stewart & Mike Goodson sharing time in 2013.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Jeremy Stewart & Mike Goodson sharing time in 2013.
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Don’t worry that will happen, they are on “scholarship” LOL!. I’m sure Reece will have to back them up too.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Pryor = 9
December 16th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Whatever we do in the draft….
Take the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE.
Remember with the Pistons were unbeatable? They passed on Carmelo Anthony and drafted for “need” and took Darko Milicic in what would end up one of the WORST “draft for need” decisions in the history of sports.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
i hope TP gets a whole half..
December 16th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
maybe we should go for geno smith.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
I say 7 snaps.
What quarter will Knapp abandon the run in?
I say during warm ups.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Whatever we do in the draft….
Take the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE.
Remember with the Pistons were unbeatable? They passed on Carmelo Anthony and drafted for “need” and took Darko Milicic in what would end up one of the WORST “draft for need” decisions in the his
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definitley. i agree.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Whatever we do in the draft….
Take the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE.
Remember with the Pistons were unbeatable? They passed on Carmelo Anthony and drafted for “need” and took Darko Milicic in what would end up one of the WORST “draft for need” decisions in the history of sports.
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I agree, there’s just no way that guy can be T’eo
December 16th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
How smart is Shanny looking by taking Cousins?
Easily getting back some of those draft picks he gave away.
Same thing I’m hoping for with Pryor.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
No way will the RAiders Lose to the chiefs today. The raiders are bad but the chiefs are really really bad.
Easy win for the Raiders. They will win by 10 points. Print that!
December 16th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Miller just drilled Flacco. Amazing crop of pass rushers in recent years: Watt, Miller, Aldon Smith, JPP, Clay Matthews.
Unfortunately for us, I don’t necessarily see a guy anywhere near that caliber in this year’s draft. Damontre Moore from A&M is probably the best of the bunch, but I tend to think he’s just OK and not elite. Maybe a 10 sack a year guy, not 20.
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Does he look any less impressive than Tuck, Uminyiora, or JPP did in college?
I dont think so.
My point being, it’s going to take a couple B+ DE’s and then they will look like world beaters. All the guys you mentioned that are elite, also happen to play on some pretty talented teams.
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I agree with most of what you’re saying, but I’d rather go for a guy that has a chance to be an A+ LT over a B+ DE.
I’d say Moore becoming a Umenyiora or Tuck type of player is reasonable albeit max potential of Moore. I don’t think he has quite the elite physical skills of a guy like JPP, but I would also say that Moore is less of a boom or bust pick than JPP was. I think with Moore you’re getting a B- to B+ player because he has good athleticism and seems to play hard and with heart.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
The draft won’t matter to me if Knapp is still here.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
No way will the RAiders Lose to the chiefs today. The raiders are bad but the chiefs are really really bad.
Easy win for the Raiders. They will win by 10 points. Print that!
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Chiefs 23
Raiders 20*
*Raiders score TD on last possession of game.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Some fans here dont want Kirk Cousins or any youn Qb.. they dont want Rg3.
They want the garbage time All start Carson Palmer. The guy who cant even scramble for a first down. The love how he throws INTS right when they get back in the game
December 16th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
maybe we should trade for cousins, i like him..
December 16th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
2012 ALL-SEC FIRST TEAM (COACHES): DL – Damontre Moore, Texas A&M, has been selected First Team All-Southeastern Conference (Coaches selection) for the 2012 college football season. Moore (Rowlett, Texas) emerged as the country’s breakout defender in his third season in Aggieland. His 12.5 quarterback sacks on the season tie for No. 2 in the nation and he ties for third in tackles for loss with 20. The junior paces the team with 80 tackles and could become just the third defensive lineman in the past 40 seasons to lead A&M in tackles. Moore currently leads the Aggies in tackles, solo tackles, sacks, tackles for loss, QB hurries and blocked kicks.
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Only a JR… dude might be a beast.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
carson sucks , he’s a numbers guy, average at best. turnover prone when the games on the line.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Miller just drilled Flacco. Amazing crop of pass rushers in recent years: Watt, Miller, Aldon Smith, JPP, Clay Matthews.
Unfortunately for us, I don’t necessarily see a guy anywhere near that caliber in this year’s draft. Damontre Moore from A&M is probably the best of the bunch, but I tend to think he’s just OK and not elite. Maybe a 10 sack a year guy, not 20.
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Does he look any less impressive than Tuck, Uminyiora, or JPP did in college?
I dont think so.
My point being, it’s going to take a couple B+ DE’s and then they will look like world beaters. All the guys you mentioned that are elite, also happen to play on some pretty talented teams.
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I agree with most of what you’re saying, but I’d rather go for a guy that has a chance to be an A+ LT over a B+ DE.
I’d say Moore becoming a Umenyiora or Tuck type of player is reasonable albeit max potential of Moore. I don’t think he has quite the elite physical skills of a guy like JPP, but I would also say that Moore is less of a boom or bust pick than JPP was. I think with Moore you’re getting a B- to B+ player because he has good athleticism and seems to play hard and with heart.
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Exactly.
As for the whole DE vs T debate. Which position do you think is easier to fill in free agency? And which has the better prospect in the draft?
I’d say Moore is better than any T prospect in the draft. And I’d say we should be able to fill the T position in free agency much easier than finding a impact DE. And for a way cheaper price.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Allen leaves Dungver they’re on their way to 13-3
Knapp leaves Houston they’re 11-2
Tarver leaves Stanford, they are in the Rose Bowl, knocked off the #2 team on the road, & had a controversial call cost them the win on the road of the #1 team in college football.
Thanks Shreg.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
and carson is old and on the downside of his career, we need a young franchise to go with our young wr’s and team as a a whole. and he isnt the only one thats gotz ta go!
December 16th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
jake long could be available in free agency.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
John Fox made a genius move by dumping one of his weak link coaching staff members on to a division rival. Of course, he made it seem as if he was doing Allen such a big favor at the time. But when Allen asked for permission to interview some of the coaches that Fox actually WANTED to keep around, permission was swiftly DENIED. Denver got better by subtraction when they lost Dennis Allen. And we got much, much worse with his hire. Crazy how this universe works.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Whatever we do in the draft….
Take the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE.
Remember with the Pistons were unbeatable? They passed on Carmelo Anthony and drafted for “need” and took Darko Milicic in what would end up one of the WORST “draft for need” decisions in the history of sports.
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I agree, there’s just no way that guy can be T’eo
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T’eo is a classic “draft for need” pick.
We need a MLB that has tons of leadership, he fits that bill. But he’s far from a top 3 pick. He isnt the BPA til about the 10-15 range. Anything earlier and you are reaching for “need”.
If we trade down to a position where he is the BPA, I could live with that due to how shallow this draft seems to be. But I wouldnt push for it either.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I agree with most of what you’re saying, but I’d rather go for a guy that has a chance to be an A+ LT over a B+ DE.
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Absolutely!
December 16th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Baltimore sure looks like it made a wise decision in firing their OC so late in the season.
What a very un-Baltimore like move.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Allen leaves Dungver they’re on their way to 13-3
Knapp leaves Houston they’re 11-2
Tarver leaves Stanford, they are in the Rose Bowl, knocked off the #2 team on the road, & had a controversial call cost them the win on the road of the #1 team in college football.
Thanks Shreg.
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Coaching. Its a nice concept.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
jake long could be available in free agency.
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He absolutely will be available. Miami looks fine without him. They wont pay what he’ll cost for them to keep him.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Would love to sign Jake Long and Anthony Spencer but thats probably not happening.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
i think te’o could do for a defense what willis did in sf. i like him.
with the raiders 1st pick in the draft- geno smith or manti te’o, or star.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
after releasing the rest of the scholarships and bad contracts, we could do something like that…long, spencer.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Chris from NY,
One other thing….
JPP will be available in Free Agency.
Pairing him with Moore as our two stud DE’s will completely transform our defense.
If we could land JPP, I dont see how we pass on Moore.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
John Fox made a genius move by dumping one of his weak link coaching staff members on to a division rival. Of course, he made it seem as if he was doing Allen such a big favor at the time. But when Allen asked for permission to interview some of the coaches that Fox actually WANTED to keep around, permission was swiftly DENIED. Denver got better by subtraction when they lost Dennis Allen. And we got much, much worse with his hire. Crazy how this universe works.
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Yeah, plus it allowed Fox to hire Del Rio, thanks to Mark & Schreg for that one.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Well Romac is officially a bust, alongside Huff,Dmac,Washington,Gallery, and Russell. what a stretch of poor draft picks weve had since 2004. this team will continue to suck till we rid this team of the garbage that inludes G.Knapp.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
i think te’o could do for a defense what willis did in sf. i like him.
with the raiders 1st pick in the draft- geno smith or manti te’o, or star.
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Willis had the measurables & speed to burn. If Teo played for Purdue, would he be a top pick?…No to T’eo!
December 16th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Absolutely draft the best player available regardless of position. There is no talent on this roster right now.
Carson Palmer can’t help this team and it was FOOLISH to think otherwise. Carson in arizona, baltimore or NY Jets would help.
You guys have been overrating this junk roster for yrs. You refused to want to spend high picks for the middle of the line and were dependent on check cashing vets and free agents looking for a last payday.
This team is one of the worst of all time. Pressure washing this gunk is the only option.
If the coaches think otherwise, then they should be rinsed away with the rest of these hopelessly lousy players.
CLEAN HOUSE!
December 16th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Absolutely draft the best player available regardless of position. There is no talent on this roster right now.
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Tell that to Hue & his top 10 offense
December 16th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Big Pep Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Well Romac is officially a bust, alongside Huff,Dmac,Washington,Gallery, and Russell. what a stretch of poor draft picks weve had since 2004. this team will continue to suck till we rid this team of the garbage that inludes G.Knapp.
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thats why it was weird for cork to say he didnt like some of the changes in the scouting dept. check the track record cork!!
December 16th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
We fidn’t need ANYONE’S permission to speak with Del Rio, but DA was THE GUY!
Reggie Mc is a HACK…
still knows how to make Ted Tthompson’s coffee though.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
I dont know if this is do-able, but here is what I have been proposing…
Personel Moves:
- WR core to look like this (FA, Moore, Ford, Streater, Criner, Hagan)
- Stewart & Goodson as our RB’s
- Move Wiz 2.0 back to LG
- Move Bergstrom to RG (his natural position)
- Move Houston in to DT
Salary Saving Moves:
- CP3 restructures and gives Reggie some flexibility (or trade for a very good pick)
- Trade DMC for multiple picks (2nd and 4th)
- Trade McClain for anything (Tebow? Seriously, a bum who cant play for a leader who cant play, its a major upgrade)
- Restructure or trade DHB for a can of tuna
- Cut Briesel
- Cut Seymore & Kelly
- Let Lechler go
Fill Holes in the DRAFT:
- We currently have 6 picks, and up to 8 more through possible trading down, and dumping of players like DMC etc, and compensatory picks for Bush or Campbell
- Draft Mooren at DE
- If Honey Badger is available late in the draft, we take him to make our #3 CB or possibly give us the flexibility to move Huff back to FS if absolutely needed.
FREE AGENCY:
- Get our #1 WR (Bowe?)
- Bring back Nnamdi to be our #1 CB and pair him with HoneyBadger & Adams
- JPP at DE
- If there is money leftover, spend in on a impact RT or C… Jake Long will be available
December 16th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Black shoots unarmed white hispanic; police refuse to arrest black
Taco Bell Shooting Victim was Holding Leash, Not Weapon, myfoxphoenix.com.
LAVEEN – Police are saying more about a shooting at a Taco Bell Tuesday night in which one man died.
They’re also identifying the victim as 29-year-old Daniel Adkins.
About 7:30 p.m., a 22-year-old man and his girlfriend ordered food at the Taco Bell drive-thru and were told to pull up while their order was prepared.
At the same time, Adkins stepped around a corner into the path of the vehicle and angry words were exchanged between he and the driver.
They got into an altercation and Adkins was shot once by the driver. He died at the scene.
The driver, a 22-year-old black male, called police but has not been arrested.
At first, the couple claimed that Adkins had a metal pipe that he swung at them — but it turns out he was holding a dog leash with his yellow lab on the other end.
Family members want that driver arrested, but he’s claiming self-defense.
“He needs to be behind bars. I’ll never see my brother again,” says sister Marina Reyes. “If he felt that my brother was threatening him, he could have easily just rolled up the window and called the cops.”
A metal pipe or bat was never located. An independent witness did say Adkins swung his fists in the driver’s direction.
“He swung his fist towards the driver window, and at some point the driver shot him,” says Phoenix Police Sgt. Tommy Thompson. “Just because we don’t book a person immediately does not mean we don’t charge a person at a later date.”
The dog, Lady, stayed by Adkins’ side until the Humane Society came. Adkins lived with his mom and dad. He’s 29, but his family says he’s mentally disabled and has the mental capacity of a 12-year-old. He didn’t drive, and walked wherever he went.
“This person is still on the loose and I don’t agree with that. So he’s saying self defense, then where’s the weapon? Where’s the pipe? They didn’t find anything on my brother,” says Reyes. “He was just too aggressive, you don’t need to go that far.”
The shooter’s name has not been released. The investigation is still ongoing.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
If we could sign Long, playing opposite of Veldheer…draft a guard in the later rounds, I’d be happy as hell.
Veldheer,Bergstrom? Wiz ,Draft, Long.
=)
December 16th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
SnB,
thats my opinion too, the constant losing has us setting the bar really low, a lot of our staters would be on the bench on other teams, this core group has done nothing but keeps being brought back with different staffs but the same results..i think reg is gutting our core while going to keep the young good players.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
I say we need to go after Dwayne Bowe.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Trade DMC for multiple picks (2nd and 4th)
- Trade McClain for anything (Tebow? Seriously, a bum who cant play for a leader who cant play, its a major upgrade)
- Restructure or trade DHB for a can of tuna
- Cut Briesel
- Cut Seymore & Kelly
- Let Lechler go
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love this raider riff.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
I really think the raiders tanked this yr from the gate for better draft spots knowingly
They can trade down an stockpile pics. But this yrs draft is weak.
This is the game of Nos. 1 an 2 in the draft
December 16th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
CUT/TRADE – Briesel
CUT/TRADE – Palmer
CUT/TRADE – DMC
CUT/TRADE – DHB
CUT/TRADE – Rolando
CUT/TRADE – Kelly
CUT/TRADE – Seymore
CUT/TRADE – Lechler
DRAFT – Moore
DRAFT – Honeybadger
DRAFT – a new starting Center
DRAFT – depth at the guard position
FREE AGENT – JPP
FREE AGENT – Jake Long
FREE AGENT – Bowe or bring in Chad Johnson or someone like that on the cheap
FREE AGENT – bring back Nnamdi
December 16th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
What’s up, Nation! It’s almost game time!!!
December 16th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
and khalif barnes gotz ta go!! we havnt been able to shore that position up for along time..and reg and allen, stop drafting players and changing their positions!!!
December 16th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=10e_1172560715
Another unarmed black man shot
December 16th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Big Pep Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Well Romac is officially a bust, alongside Huff,Dmac,Washington,Gallery, and Russell. what a stretch of poor draft picks weve had since 2004. this team will continue to suck till we rid this team of the garbage that inludes G.Knapp.
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thats why it was weird for cork to say he didnt like some of the changes in the scouting dept. check the track record cork!!
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I agree, i also commented on that after reading is bullschyt. I thought cork was fn crazy when he posted that garbage. my job is not to scout players so i dont know schyt from schinola, but our past and present staff get paid well to do a good job but have failed, and should have been let go along time ago.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
My mistake. I meant an unarmed white man shot.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
What makes you think JPP will be available?
December 16th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Taco Bell slaying and draft talk? WTF is wrong with you people? There’s about to be a game.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Raider Riff,
The Oakland Raiders want to extend you an offer as a FREE AGENT and PERSONNEL ADVISER. You can start as soon as possible.
lol
December 16th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
http://policelink.monster.com/news/articles/174238-police-shoot-unarmed-white-man-on-lsd
Police thought this guy was black when they shot him.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
I was delighted Hie Jackson was fired. The fact he couldn’t find another coordinator job or even position coach shows all you need to know.
Just cause Reggie messed up with his pick of DA and that crummy staff, doesn’t mean Hue should have been retained
Higher standards please. Raider fan excuses limited production from draft picks and celebrate check cashers like Routt and Wimbley. Two guys that were stealing money. But y’all cheered the shoulder dip move of wimbley (his only move by the way) and annoited him a star. The guy was getting DeMarcus Ware money. LOL.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
CUT/TRADE – Briesel
CUT/TRADE – Palmer
CUT/TRADE – DMC
CUT/TRADE – DHB
CUT/TRADE – Rolando
CUT/TRADE – Kelly
CUT/TRADE – Seymore
CUT/TRADE – Lechler
DRAFT – Moore
DRAFT – Honeybadger
DRAFT – a new starting Center
DRAFT – depth at the guard position
FREE AGENT – JPP
FREE AGENT – Jake Long
FREE AGENT – Bowe or bring in Chad Johnson or someone like that on the cheap
FREE AGENT – bring back Nnamdi
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this is a great post..im eye to eye with you.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Raider Riff Says:
FREE AGENT – bring back Nnamdi
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Oh I see. This is some sort of running joke that I missed.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
i think we should keep the current wr’s thou..just get a young franchise to grow with them. geno smith?
December 16th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/07/24/third-day-protests-after-anaheim-police-shooting-unarmed-latino/
If it’s the police, and you are black, you almost certainly can expect an attack.
Only in AmeriKKKa.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
why not bring back nnamdi, him and honey badger are starting corners.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Kell,
Maybe for tomorrow? lol It is Sunday.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Nnamdi????
Maybe as a S.
MAYBE.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
and khalif barnes gotz ta go!! we havnt been able to shore that position up for along time..and reg and allen, stop drafting players and changing their positions!!!
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I feel like an a55hole for somehow forgetting to mention how badly this walking dumpster needs to go. My bad.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
J Hill Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Nnamdi????
Maybe as a S.
MAYBE.
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Are you really going to blame Nnamdi for what a trainwreck Philly has been?
I understand him wanting to leave, but he couldnt have picked a worse team.
I think we could get him in the 6-7 million a year range. You’d be against that?
December 16th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
I see calls to draft Teo, Star, and Moore. Personally, Im for Star, as I think hed definitely make the most impact from day one, and have the ability to be the most productive of the 3 over a span of 10 years or so. Teo is a good player. Good instincts, good tackler, good enough athleticism, but not great. He will be a pretty good player for whoever hes drafted by, but his success may live or die on the system around him and whether the team that picks him has a stout enough D-Line. Would that be us? I cant really say I believe that. I also think that we have seen the BEST of Teo, at this point. I dont know how high his ceiling really is, but I do think he will be a good player. Worthy of a top 5 pick? Not unless your an already disciplined defense thats looking to replace an aging MLB. Thats not us.
Moore is beast, no other words for it. Hes gonna be able to beat O-linemen at the NFL level, no problem. Hes also good against the run. If we were to draft him, hed be able to apply pressure from day one. But our defense doesnt allow for the DEs to move around much. It would actually sadden me to see Moore get wasted by DA and Tarver. Moore is going to be another player whose success can live or die based on where he goes and how hes used.
Star is going to be a monster in the middle of the line, no matter what team drafts him. A smart D-coach will see that he can be used like Haloti Ngata, and moved from the middle, to DE on plays. But even if youre team is cursed with inept, uncreative coaches, like DA, Star is still going to be able to hold his assignment in the middle. Of all 3 players, I think Star makes the most impact from day one, and for the longest amount of time.
If our draft came down to drafting a MLB, DT, or DE/MLB, which would be able to make this defense better on opening day 2013?
December 16th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
DE/OLB
December 16th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
J Hill Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
What makes you think JPP will be available?
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It was mentioned here a week or so back that he’d be a free agent. Was that intel bad?
December 16th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Joeckel shut down that LSU dude.
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Doesn’t mean squat. Barksdale shut down Von Miller in Cotton Bowl.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Last time we drafted a DT (D.Russ) our running D improved over the years. I say go with Star, if not trade for picks.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
J Hill Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Nnamdi????
Maybe as a S.
MAYBE.
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Are you really going to blame Nnamdi for what a trainwreck Philly has been?
I understand him wanting to leave, but he couldnt have picked a worse team.
I think we could get him in the 6-7 million a year range. You’d be against that?
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Philly is a mess. Nnamdi hasnt adapted well to what theyve been asking him to do. At the same time, hes still one of the best players in one on one coverage in the league, and Philly just isnt taking advantage of that enough. Nnamdi can still be a very productive player and it would be a blessing to have him back after over someone like Shawntae Spencer.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
I don’t know about Nnamdi at corner.
I’d prefer someone a little younger and faster.
I’d be interested to see him at S though.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Joeckel shut down that LSU dude.
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Doesn’t mean squat. Barksdale shut down Von Miller in Cotton Bowl.
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And Barksdale is in year 2 of his career…So if head-to-head competition doesn’t mean squat, what does? Lemme guess, Teo’s wonderful intensity.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Nnamdi was, and still is, extremely overrated. I strongly advocated letting him walk two years ago, and I was right. He has been routinely burned in Philly. He looks like he doesn’t even care about football.
You guys were fooled into thinking Nnamdi was great because he was a mediocre player on a squad of terrible players. Of course other teams wouldn’t throw at him. Why would they when the corner play on the opposite of the field was absolutely atrocious? And you could run at will against the Raiders.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Cousins making it look easy.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
i think we should keep the current wr’s thou..just get a young franchise to grow with them. geno smith?
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Im not against letting them develop. But the leash is short, and the jury is already out on some of them.
DHB – too expensive and unreliable
D-Less – he’s on the hot seat. Another sub par year like this and I want him gone
Criner – showing promise, but we’ve seen that before out of all of our current and past WRs
Streater – the most promising prospect we have
Hagan – personally, I like the guy
Ford – worth keeping, he’s a playmaker and cheap
We still need a vet WR though. Someone that can run the right routes in crunch time.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Yeah, I want the big NT too. If he’s gone, the OT is who we need to go with.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
and khalif barnes gotz ta go!! we havnt been able to shore that position up for along time..and reg and allen, stop drafting players and changing their positions!!!
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I feel like an a55hole for somehow forgetting to mention how badly this walking dumpster needs to go. My bad.
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lol, i wont hold it against you..in my rants watching games i usually blame everything on him..
December 16th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
jesus, Shields just grabs the Bear and nothing is called. The NFL is so fixed for their “MIckey Mouse” teams: Packers, Broncos, Patriots, etc
December 16th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
i would love star..mcshay was breaking him down the other day..suh type athleticism without the head trauma..
December 16th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
J Hill Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
I don’t know about Nnamdi at corner.
I’d prefer someone a little younger and faster.
I’d be interested to see him at S though.
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Whatever the case, he’d help our secondary. As would bringing in Moore and JPP.
Those 3 additions would completely change our defenses play on the field.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Bowe should be our #1 FA target.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Nnamdi is a Bay Area guy and if he were axed by the Eagles, it would be good to see him back as a Raider.
He is older now and is a man-to-man specialist. Him at corner would be interesting and moving him to safety would be interesting as well.
But, with the Raiders employing so much zone, will Nnamdi succeed? He struggles with the Eagles’ zone concepts.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
D-Less – he’s on the hot seat. Another sub par year like this and I want him gone
Criner – showing promise, but we’ve seen that before out of all of our current and past WRs
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You’ve got to be kidding me, Moore showed how explosive he is with a competent OC/HC running things. Criner averages less than 10 yards per catch & that shows promise yet you put Moore on the hot seat…Sure dude.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Nnamdi was, and still is, extremely overrated. I strongly advocated letting him walk two years ago, and I was right. He has been routinely burned in Philly. He looks like he doesn’t even care about football.
You guys were fooled into thinking Nnamdi was great because he was a mediocre player on a squad of terrible players. Of course other teams wouldn’t throw at him. Why would they when the corner play on the opposite of the field was absolutely atrocious? And you could run at will against the Raiders.
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I agree and disagree.
Overpaid? Yes. Over rated? No.
True about teams being able to run all over us. Its been the Achilles for years. But recall that when our starting CBs were Nnamdi and Routt, we had one of the top defensive passing rankings in the league. And the last season when no one threw at Nnamdi, Routt was neck and neck with Revis in completion percentage.
The overlooked truth is that Routt and Nnamdi were both great at what Als defense wanted them to do; tight man coverage, from the line. Now we have DBs that have to play 10 yards off the WRs to avoid not getting burned. Then they get chewed up underneath. Id take Nnamdi and Routt back in a heartbeat.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I know Aldon Smith has the most sacks and may even break M Strahans single season record, but i will stick take JJ Watt over him, the guy can get to qb from inside in 4-3 or from 3-4 end , that’s impressive
December 16th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
JPP was drafted the same year as 55. Can’t see how he wouldd be a FA. Can’t see how NY doesn’t franchise him before letting him walk if so.
Stop it.
December 16th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
ny is not letting jpp go..i like moore, and maybe snatching honeybadger in the 3rd.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
i would love star..mcshay was breaking him down the other day..suh type athleticism without the head trauma..
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I dunno. We currently have two DT’s that when healthy, were playing VERY good football despite what the semi’s here think. I only want to dump Seymore and Kelly because of their costs, not their play.
I want another Grady Jackson. Much cheaper, and damn good.
But drafting a top notch DT, to replace two top notch DT’s isnt going to solve anything if our DE play is still so poor.
Gotta fix the DE issues before drafting DT. We could always hold on to Kelly and Seymore one more year, and paired with JPP & Moore and we’d have maybe the best D-Line in the league with Bilkuldi, Shaunessy, and Houston rotating in often.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Lol at the Jake long, jpp dreams.
These guys will be re-signing with their own teams before they hit the market.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
J Hill Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
JPP was drafted the same year as 55. Can’t see how he wouldd be a FA. Can’t see how NY doesn’t franchise him before letting him walk if so.
Stop it.
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Ya, I just looked it up. He wont be a free agent.
But he does want to get paid. It’s too bad we dont have anything we could trade them.
Dammit. Back to the drawing board. Gotta find a FA to pair with Moore at DE.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Bowe
Moore
Streater
Criner
Ford
Incredible WR unit
December 16th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Id take Aldon smith over Jj watt.. and I’d take Von Miller above both of them
December 16th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
i would love star..mcshay was breaking him down the other day..suh type athleticism without the head trauma..
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I dunno. We currently have two DT’s that when healthy, were playing VERY good football despite what the semi’s here think. I only want to dump Seymore and Kelly because of their costs, not their play.
I want another Grady Jackson. Much cheaper, and damn good.
But drafting a top notch DT, to replace two top notch DT’s isnt going to solve anything if our DE play is still so poor.
Gotta fix the DE issues before drafting DT. We could always hold on to Kelly and Seymore one more year, and paired with JPP & Moore and we’d have maybe the best D-Line in the league with Bilkuldi, Shaunessy, and Houston rotating in often.
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to me, kelly and seynour part of the root of the problem here in oakland..we havnt been able to stop the run or get a push up the middle for years. mcclain, seymour, kelley , and huff have gotz ta go imo.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
D-Less – he’s on the hot seat. Another sub par year like this and I want him gone
Criner – showing promise, but we’ve seen that before out of all of our current and past WRs
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You’ve got to be kidding me, Moore showed how explosive he is with a competent OC/HC running things. Criner averages less than 10 yards per catch & that shows promise yet you put Moore on the hot seat…Sure dude.
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D-Less consistently runs lazy routes, and often in crunch time, the wrong routes.
You can try to blame the OC all you want, but Criner has no problem holding on to the ball whereas D-Less just keeps dropping passes.
You may call last year a “explosive” year for D-Less. But I have higher standards than that. I dont forget what Tim Brown and Jerry Rice looked like in the Silver & Black and D-Less isnt even close.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
JJ Watt is simply unblockable from inside in 4-3 or even outside in 3-4, tell me another guy who could do that
December 16th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Dakota Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Lol at the Jake long, jpp dreams.
These guys will be re-signing with their own teams before they hit the market.
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rumors on espn.com are the dolphins most likely wont tag him.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
wow what atlanta did.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
D-Less consistently runs lazy routes, and often in crunch time, the wrong routes.
You can try to blame the OC all you want, but Criner has no problem holding on to the ball whereas D-Less just keeps dropping passes.
You may call last year a “explosive” year for D-Less. But I have higher standards than that. I dont forget what Tim Brown and Jerry Rice looked like in the Silver & Black and D-Less isnt even close.
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Then you should remember Brown was explosive & dropped quite a few passes. Not saying Moore is going to be him but celebrating a guy that can’t get separation is nothing to be excited about. He’s a possession guy, nothing more.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
i would love star..mcshay was breaking him down the other day..suh type athleticism without the head trauma..
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I dunno. We currently have two DT’s that when healthy, were playing VERY good football despite what the semi’s here think. I only want to dump Seymore and Kelly because of their costs, not their play.
I want another Grady Jackson. Much cheaper, and damn good.
But drafting a top notch DT, to replace two top notch DT’s isnt going to solve anything if our DE play is still so poor.
Gotta fix the DE issues before drafting DT. We could always hold on to Kelly and Seymore one more year, and paired with JPP & Moore and we’d have maybe the best D-Line in the league with Bilkuldi, Shaunessy, and Houston rotating in often.
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to me, kelly and seynour part of the root of the problem here in oakland..we havnt been able to stop the run or get a push up the middle for years. mcclain, seymour, kelley , and huff have gotz ta go imo.
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If you think Kelly and Seymore are the reasons for our run woes, youre not properly evaluating the games.
They occupy lineman, and regularly change the line of scrimmage. It’s up to the DE’s to seal the edge (which ours dont) and our LB’s to fill the proper gaps that the DT’s create (which they dont).
A new DT wont change anything in those regards.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
alabama maybe you should leave. wheres the moderator when you need him?
December 16th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
i would love star..mcshay was breaking him down the other day..suh type athleticism without the head trauma..
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I dunno. We currently have two DT’s that when healthy, were playing VERY good football despite what the semi’s here think. I only want to dump Seymore and Kelly because of their costs, not their play.
I want another Grady Jackson. Much cheaper, and damn good.
But drafting a top notch DT, to replace two top notch DT’s isnt going to solve anything if our DE play is still so poor.
Gotta fix the DE issues before drafting DT. We could always hold on to Kelly and Seymore one more year, and paired with JPP & Moore and we’d have maybe the best D-Line in the league with Bilkuldi, Shaunessy, and Houston rotating in often.
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I agree with you on Kelly to a degree. But I think Seymour is done. His best years are far behind him. I think Kelly could shine at UT next to Star, but if hes let go, which I expect, I still think Bryant and Star is going to be a mean DT duo. Even in 3-4, with Star as NT and Bryant as an end. So we have players that can make a nice line, and Star would be a great anchor. I dont think we are getting the most out of our line, like last year either. Wauffle had Houston, Bryant, Shaugnessy, Seymour, Kelly, all shifting and moving around. We were getting much more pressure. This D gets no pressure, even when sending the whole house. OK, Im getting off topic, rambling about the coaching.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Why does the raider game start almOst 20 minutes after the other games?
December 16th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Over/under on TP6 plays for this game?
December 16th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
D-Less consistently runs lazy routes, and often in crunch time, the wrong routes.
You can try to blame the OC all you want, but Criner has no problem holding on to the ball whereas D-Less just keeps dropping passes.
You may call last year a “explosive” year for D-Less. But I have higher standards than that. I dont forget what Tim Brown and Jerry Rice looked like in the Silver & Black and D-Less isnt even close.
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Then you should remember Brown was explosive & dropped quite a few passes. Not saying Moore is going to be him but celebrating a guy that can’t get separation is nothing to be excited about. He’s a possession guy, nothing more.
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Im not celebrating Criner. I said he showed promise and I said so with caution.
We need a possesion WR. So why wouldnt I be encouraged by his attributes? He catches the ball when the majority of our WRs drop it most of the time. I know that aint saying much but that is why Im not celebrating him either.
Im not high on Criner, Im just low on the other guys to be honest.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Jesus, Carolina may get 40 next week.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Well, I usually post before each game and say “Good luck today Nation” But today I’m not sure if we should win or lose. Never quite felt like this before.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
akota Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Why does the raider game start almOst 20 minutes after the other games?
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They changed that this year for the double header network since the early games were running over time.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
JB Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Over/under on TP6 plays for this game?
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Most fans have it in the 4-6 range.
And everyone is taking the under.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Even the dOlphins are not dumb enough to let a franchise lt walk. Not going to happen.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
i would love star..mcshay was breaking him down the other day..suh type athleticism without the head trauma..
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I dunno. We currently have two DT’s that when healthy, were playing VERY good football despite what the semi’s here think. I only want to dump Seymore and Kelly because of their costs, not their play.
I want another Grady Jackson. Much cheaper, and damn good.
But drafting a top notch DT, to replace two top notch DT’s isnt going to solve anything if our DE play is still so poor.
Gotta fix the DE issues before drafting DT. We could always hold on to Kelly and Seymore one more year, and paired with JPP & Moore and we’d have maybe the best D-Line in the league with Bilkuldi, Shaunessy, and Houston rotating in often.
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to me, kelly and seynour part of the root of the problem here in oakland..we havnt been able to stop the run or get a push up the middle for years. mcclain, seymour, kelley , and huff have gotz ta go imo.
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If you think Kelly and Seymore are the reasons for our run woes, youre not properly evaluating the games.
They occupy lineman, and regularly change the line of scrimmage. It’s up to the DE’s to seal the edge (which ours dont) and our LB’s to fill the proper gaps that the DT’s create (which they dont).
A new DT wont change anything in those regards.
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if the new dt’s better, absolutely would change..this is what happened to kirk morrison, they could never keep lineman off him..they never pressure up the middle..and we constantly get gouged for yardage up the middle..its a team game yes..but the old attitude of doing things has gotz ta go, and they are leaders on our team, so it starts with players like this.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Well, I usually post before each game and say “Good luck today Nation” But today I’m not sure if we should win or lose. Never quite felt like this before.
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LOL! Welcome to the club.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
JJ Watt is simply unblockable from inside in 4-3 or even outside in 3-4, tell me another guy who could do that
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Man, JJ Watt is fantastic to watch. Smith has been great at what hes being asked to do. Not saying he couldnt be effective otherwise, but Watt has too much in his repertoire right now. Moves, athleticism, power. He has to be game planned for and against every week, Hes a factor on the field. Even our staff couldnt find a way to make him ineffective.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Dakota, because the greatness of the Raiders demands to be seen….
December 16th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Thanks douche.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
So DeFilippo is interviewing for a college job, eh?
Hmmmmm…….
December 16th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Fangs is back! Lol
December 16th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
i would love star..mcshay was breaking him down the other day..suh type athleticism without the head trauma..
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I dunno. We currently have two DT’s that when healthy, were playing VERY good football despite what the semi’s here think. I only want to dump Seymore and Kelly because of their costs, not their play.
I want another Grady Jackson. Much cheaper, and damn good.
But drafting a top notch DT, to replace two top notch DT’s isnt going to solve anything if our DE play is still so poor.
Gotta fix the DE issues before drafting DT. We could always hold on to Kelly and Seymore one more year, and paired with JPP & Moore and we’d have maybe the best D-Line in the league with Bilkuldi, Shaunessy, and Houston rotating in often.
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I agree with you on Kelly to a degree. But I think Seymour is done. His best years are far behind him. I think Kelly could shine at UT next to Star, but if hes let go, which I expect, I still think Bryant and Star is going to be a mean DT duo. Even in 3-4, with Star as NT and Bryant as an end. So we have players that can make a nice line, and Star would be a great anchor. I dont think we are getting the most out of our line, like last year either. Wauffle had Houston, Bryant, Shaugnessy, Seymour, Kelly, all shifting and moving around. We were getting much more pressure. This D gets no pressure, even when sending the whole house. OK, Im getting off topic, rambling about the coaching.
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Trust me, I liked Wauffle as a d-line coach.
And yeah, Seymore is done physically.
But that doesnt change the fact that when he’s in the game and healthy, he plays well, and our run D still sucks. Why? Read my earlier post. Our LB’s miss the gaps and our DEs do a poor job of sealing the edge.
A new DT wont solve those issues. As great as Warren Sapp was, probably the best DT ever or at least in the conversation, he had GREAT DE’s and super smart LB’s behind him during his best years.
Which begs me to ask, why the hell did the NFL ever blackball Simeon Rice?
December 16th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
and your quarterback is?
December 16th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Charles runs for over 150yds today?
December 16th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
i would love star..mcshay was breaking him down the other day..suh type athleticism without the head trauma..
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I dunno. We currently have two DT’s that when healthy, were playing VERY good football despite what the semi’s here think. I only want to dump Seymore and Kelly because of their costs, not their play.
I want another Grady Jackson. Much cheaper, and damn good.
But drafting a top notch DT, to replace two top notch DT’s isnt going to solve anything if our DE play is still so poor.
Gotta fix the DE issues before drafting DT. We could always hold on to Kelly and Seymore one more year, and paired with JPP & Moore and we’d have maybe the best D-Line in the league with Bilkuldi, Shaunessy, and Houston rotating in often.
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to me, kelly and seynour part of the root of the problem here in oakland..we havnt been able to stop the run or get a push up the middle for years. mcclain, seymour, kelley , and huff have gotz ta go imo.
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If you think Kelly and Seymore are the reasons for our run woes, youre not properly evaluating the games.
They occupy lineman, and regularly change the line of scrimmage. It’s up to the DE’s to seal the edge (which ours dont) and our LB’s to fill the proper gaps that the DT’s create (which they dont).
A new DT wont change anything in those regards.
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if the new dt’s better, absolutely would change.
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A new DT would be cheaper, but he wouldnt play much better than Kelly and Seymore have this year.
A new DT wont solve our real issues. We need better DE’s and smarter LBs.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Romania Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
and your quarterback is?
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geno smith!
December 16th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
riff, better de’s and lb’s wont solve are dt issue either, but we need a lot of help everywhere so you cant go wrong either way.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Marks Hair Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Charles runs for over 150yds today?
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AFC playbook said so
December 16th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Man I was hopeing we draft cousins Reggie work a trade 4 the guy!!!
December 16th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Dont count ob bowe hitting the free agent market.
That would be a nice pick up.
The problem with our O is the Knapp factor.
New OC n better oline palmer will be ok.
Draft for defense.
Get a running back in the late third or fourth
Draft a gaurd an right tackle
December 16th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
December 16th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
i would love star..mcshay was breaking him down the other day..suh type athleticism without the head trauma..
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I dunno. We currently have two DT’s that when healthy, were playing VERY good football despite what the semi’s here think. I only want to dump Seymore and Kelly because of their costs, not their play.
I want another Grady Jackson. Much cheaper, and damn good.
But drafting a top notch DT, to replace two top notch DT’s isnt going to solve anything if our DE play is still so poor.
Gotta fix the DE issues before drafting DT. We could always hold on to Kelly and Seymore one more year, and paired with JPP & Moore and we’d have maybe the best D-Line in the league with Bilkuldi, Shaunessy, and Houston rotating in often.
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to me, kelly and seynour part of the root of the problem here in oakland..we havnt been able to stop the run or get a push up the middle for years. mcclain, seymour, kelley , and huff have gotz ta go imo.
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If you think Kelly and Seymore are the reasons for our run woes, youre not properly evaluating the games.
They occupy lineman, and regularly change the line of scrimmage. It’s up to the DE’s to seal the edge (which ours dont) and our LB’s to fill the proper gaps that the DT’s create (which they dont).
A new DT wont change anything in those regards.
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if the new dt’s better, absolutely would change.
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A new DT would be cheaper, but he wouldnt play much better than Kelly and Seymore have this year.
A new DT wont solve our real issues. We need better DE’s and smarter LBs.
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i would say most dt’s would play better than them..i think this way because i believe you have to control the middle of the field 1st and foremost on both sides of the line. mclame in this convo too.
December 16th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
who’s your qb?
December 16th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
I swear it seems these guys call the same azz stretch run play every game starting out…