Grading the Raiders off victory over Chiefs
By Steve Corkran
Monday, December 17th, 2012 at 12:57 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Beat writer Jerry McDonald graded the Raiders off their 15-0 victory over the Kansas City Chiefs at the Coliseum. Here are McDonald’s grades and comments:
Pass offense
Carson Palmer played a complementary role, for once, letting the running game and the defense control the game. Palmer was 18 of 29 for 182 yards, with no touchdowns or interceptions. He was fortunate on at least two passes, forced into coverage, were not intercepted.
Grade: C-plus
Run offense
A season-high 203 yards on 45 carries, 38 of which went for positive yardage (including a late kneel-down). Darren McFadden had 110 yards on 30 carries, Mike Goodson 89 on 12 attempts and the Raiders had 10 rushing first downs while amassing a 40:06 to 19:54 advantage in time of possession.
Grade: A
Pass defense
Chiefs quarterback Brady Quinn struggled (five passing first downs), but he also faced third-and-long virtually the entire game. The Raiders kept Chiefs receivers covered for the most part, and Quinn missed the ones that were open. Joselio Hanson had his second interception of the season, and the Raiders had a season high four sacks from Philip Wheeler, Desmond Bryant, Andre Carter and Tommy Kelly.
Grade: A
Run defense
The No. 5 rushing offense in the league was held to 10 yards on 10 carries. Feature back Jamal Charles had the 10 yards, on nine attempts. Kansas City had to abandon the run as the score mounted. In two games against the Raiders, Charles had 14 yards on 14 carries.
Grade: A
Special teams
Sebastian Janikowski accounted for all the scoring with field goals of 20, 50, 57, 30 and 41 yards. He missed once from 51 yards — his third miss of the season. The only kickoff the Raiders received was a touchback. Shane Lechler punted four times for a 51.3-yard gross average and a 40.3 net. Denarius Moore looked lost on punt returns, giving way to Matt Giordano late.
Grade: B
Coaching
The Raiders clearly were ready to play, and they were by far the more crisp and efficient team on both sides of the ball. The mixed coverages and occasional blitzes flummoxed Quinn, who for reasons unknown wasn’t given the hook. No problem with the conservative offensive calls and reliance on field goals. It was the right way to play the game for a team desperate to win.
Grade: A
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December 17th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Fire Knapp!!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
In Reggie We Trust.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Coaching
The Raiders clearly were ready to play, and they were by far the more crisp and efficient team on both sides of the ball. The mixed coverages and occasional blitzes flummoxed Quinn, who for reasons unknown wasn’t given the hook. No problem with the conservative offensive calls and reliance on field goals. It was the right way to play the game for a team desperate to win.
Grade: A
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This plan will just never work against any legit NFL team. Guess some of us would like some more of it next year too!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Fire Crap Knappy!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Not really. They put pressure on him to perform. He didn’t perform so they pulled him. That sounds like the right thing to me…
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This lying mfkr didnt want to see Pryor play in the first place.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Couldn’t score a TD on a 2-10 team. Smh.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
yo
December 17th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
In Reggie We Trust.
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In everyone else, not so much
December 17th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
DENNIS ALLEN MUST BE FIRED AT SEASONS END!!!
Why would Pryor only get 1 chance to pass the ball? How is that in any way evaluating him or his future prospects?!?!
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Actually they had Pryor set up that as long as he got first downs, he was going to stay in the game. He got no first downs, so he didn’t stay in the game. Don’t blame Allen, blame Pryor.
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that is a retarded thing to do.
So a guy that has never set foot on a field should be pulled aftr one 3 and out?
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Not really. They put pressure on him to perform. He didn’t perform so they pulled him. That sounds like the right thing to me…
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BULSHIDD!!!!!
PALMer has 4 wins and 19 turnovers in 14 games?!?!?
he went 3 and out countless times and he wasnt pulled.
NO COACH PULLS HIS YOUNG QB TO BE EVALUATED AFTER 1 3 AND OUT!!!!
FIRE HIS AZZ!!!!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Raiders handily beat a team late in the season. That is a good sign I don’t care who the opponent is. And Hue Jackson never did that.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
i MEAN WE KICKED 5 FIELD GOALS ON THE WORST TEAM IN FOOTBALL?!?!?
WE ARE THE WORST RED ZONE OFFENSE IN FOOTBALL, COUODNT PRYOR HELP IN THE RED ZONE?!?!/
FIRE HIS AZZ!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
flummoxed
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nice vocab Jerry!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Dennis allen didnt let pryor plAy yesterday because he doesnt want terrel pryor to play. He went wayyy out of his way to inform the cbs staff that carson was his qb of the future that says it all. He has a bias against terrel, he doesnt want terrel to succeed because then he’d have a controversy on his hands and he’ll have to do what hes to stubborn to do and thats adjust his system. Kind of messed up to know no matter how hard you work, or how much you improve youll never be given a fair shake. Smh Im not surprised some guys dont want to play for this pr!©k.
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EXACTLY!!!!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Raiders handily beat a team late in the season. That is a good sign I don’t care who the opponent is. And Hue Jackson never did that.
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Hue’s Raiders also beat the Chiefs in December.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
the CURSE OF THE CRACKED COLLAR BONE CONTINUES AND NOW SPANS TWO COACHES!!!!
we will never win as long as we dont have a qb!!!
Why the fugg would allen defy his mandate to play pryor?
Why didnt he increase pryors reps in practice in preparation for this?
Why did moore bartell and romac all get demoted benched or cut for performance yet palmer is untouchable?!?!/
Allen is two faced and a loser, and now he is in the tom cable catagory with me. allen doesnt want pryor, and will not even prep him to compete.
MEANWHILE MOBILE YOUNG QBS RUNNING OPTION FOOTBALL IS DOMINATING FOOTBALL.
WE HAVE ON A ROSTER DMAC AND PRYOR BOTH OF WHOM BECAME SUPERSTARS RUNING A SIMILAR SCHEME, YET ALLEN WANTS PALMER LEADING 5 FUGGN FIELD GOAL DRIVES?!?!?!
I hope after cam newton runs the raiders right out of the stadium while pryor rides the bench other than a ceremonial snap, big mack and davis come down to the locker room and whup allen’s azz!!!!
then fire him
December 17th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
BULSHIDD!!!!!
PALMer has 4 wins and 19 turnovers in 14 games?!?!?
he went 3 and out countless times and he wasnt pulled.
NO COACH PULLS HIS YOUNG QB TO BE EVALUATED AFTER 1 3 AND OUT!!!!
FIRE HIS AZZ!!!!!!
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As 90% of fans and 100% of the team and coaching staff would say, Palmer is not the problem and has been exemplary. He has earned the right to lead the football team. Pryor has to EARN the right to lead the team, not just be handed it. Jamarcus Russell was handed the team by Al Davis. Look what happened. One thing I can tell you about this staff is you have to EARN your right to be on the field. Pryor had his chance, he didn’t get it done. If he had gotten a lst down, he would have continued. If he got a TD, he would have gotten another series. Don’t cry to me. I want to win games.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
I think Pryor will fall on his face if given the chance, but I wanted him to play yesterday just so we could stop the continuing Pryor debate in here…..
….however, maybe the fact that DA refuses to play Pryor means that he KNOWS his job is not secure, and is desperately trying everything he can to keep his job. Which would fly in the face of what has been speculated in here and by the writers that DA’s job is secure for next year.
If his job really was secure, then there was absolutely no reason whatsoever to not let Pryor start and play the entire game, or at least a substantial part of it yesterday.
Maybe there is still hope Reggie will do the right thing and fire this unfit coaching staff at year’s end?
I have to have something to hope for, because of that doesn’t happen, then the 2013 season is already over for us too.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Raiders handily beat a team late in the season. That is a good sign I don’t care who the opponent is. And Hue Jackson never did that.
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Hue’s Raiders also beat the Chiefs in December.
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Actually Richard Seymour and a coin flip beat the Cheats last December. Not Hue Jackson.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Why the fugg would allen defy his mandate to play pryor?
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Where did this mandate come from?
December 17th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Raiders handily beat a team late in the season. That is a good sign I don’t care who the opponent is. And Hue Jackson never did that.
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Hue’s Raiders also beat the Chiefs in December.
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Actually Richard Seymour and a coin flip beat the Cheats last December. Not Hue Jackson.
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Well i guess Jano won this game by himself. So the Dennis Allen’s teams still hasn’t beat anyone by your standards.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
hwnrdr Says:
He goes inside as well! I know he has or still does talk to Amy Trask, not sure about going on the field, but not one to doubt him!
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Thanks Hwnrdr, will definitely hit you guys up at O.Co.next year. Maybe bum a ride from Norco. Right on his way. Hah.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Actually Richard Seymour and a coin flip beat the Cheats last December. Not Hue Jackson.
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Hypocrite btch.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Funny how when the team is losing, it’s Palmer’s fault. According to some here, a QB is only as good as W-L. Now the team goes out and plays a great defensive game, has the running game working, and Palmer has one of his more pedestrian games passing.
By the standards above, the Raiders won, so Palmer played great. Why doesn’t he get all the credit here?
Or maybe his credit gets diluted by the fact that Pryor got 3 (or 4 by his count) snaps and therefore is given part of the credit for the victory.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
hwnrdr Says:
He goes inside as well! I know he has or still does talk to Amy Trask, not sure about going on the field, but not one to doubt him!
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Thanks Hwnrdr, will definitely hit you guys up at O.Co.next year. Maybe bum a ride from Norco. Right on his way. Hah.
LOL…sure, come on down! I have decided to renew next year!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
BULSHIDD!!!!!
PALMer has 4 wins and 19 turnovers in 14 games?!?!?
he went 3 and out countless times and he wasnt pulled.
NO COACH PULLS HIS YOUNG QB TO BE EVALUATED AFTER 1 3 AND OUT!!!!
FIRE HIS AZZ!!!!!!
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As 90% of fans and 100% of the team and coaching staff would say, Palmer is not the problem and has been exemplary.
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None of that matter at 3-10
that is the time to evaluate young players and allen has failed in this department
you mean to tell me that brandion ross and adams get playing time
BUT NOT YOUR 3RD DRAFT CHOICE?!/!/
FOR WHAT REASON?!?!/ FOR A MEANINGLESS WIN?!/!
FIRE THIS AGENDA BENT LOSER TODAY!!!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I want the Raiders to win out even though it might drop them out of the worst ten.
The psychological benefit would be a big plus for everyone concerned.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Why the fugg would allen defy his mandate to play pryor?
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Where did this mandate come from?
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From the Crypt of Al Davis! Reggie does not roll that way neither does Mark. Need to recalibrate.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
DHB and co. make me miss Jerry Porter and Ronald Curry….
December 17th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Funny how when the team is losing, it’s Palmer’s fault. According to some here, a QB is only as good as W-L. Now the team goes out and plays a great defensive game, has the running game working, and Palmer has one of his more pedestrian games passing.
By the standards above, the Raiders won, so Palmer played great. Why doesn’t he get all the credit here?=
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I posted on this topic months ago
palmer is 1-9 as a raider when he passe for more than 300 yards
less palmer is better for the raiders, he held true to form yesterday
we need a game changer at qb like wilson newton kappy and rgIII
AL DAVIS WOULD NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN
FIRE ALLENS AZZ
December 17th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Twocents Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I want the Raiders to win out even though it might drop them out of the worst ten.
The psychological benefit would be a big plus for everyone concerned.
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Not going to happen…..the only teams this Raider squad can beat are garbage teams like KC, Jax and a heavily injured team like Pitt.
Up against any team that is average we get destroyed. You want to give false hope so we keep the staff that brought this product to us?
Come on man!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
None of that matter at 3-10
that is the time to evaluate young players and allen has failed in this department
you mean to tell me that brandion ross and adams get playing time
BUT NOT YOUR 3RD DRAFT CHOICE?!/!/
FOR WHAT REASON?!?!/ FOR A MEANINGLESS WIN?!/!
FIRE THIS AGENDA BENT LOSER TODAY!!!!!
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OK have you ever played or been around a football team?
If you do not do everything to win the team will quit on you and stop progressing. That is both offense and defense. Starting Pryor in the eyes of everyone with some knowledge of football would be conceding the game. You can not run an NFL team that way. Guys work way to hard to have it all thrown out by simply going into preseason mode.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
None of that matter at 3-10
that is the time to evaluate young players and allen has failed in this department
you mean to tell me that brandion ross and adams get playing time
BUT NOT YOUR 3RD DRAFT CHOICE?!/!/
FOR WHAT REASON?!?!/ FOR A MEANINGLESS WIN?!/!
FIRE THIS AGENDA BENT LOSER TODAY!!!!!
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OK have you ever played or been around a football team?
If you do not do everything to win the team will quit on you and stop progressing. That is both offense and defense. Starting Pryor in the eyes of everyone with some knowledge of football would be conceding the game. You can not run an NFL team that way. Guys work way to hard to have it all thrown out by simply going into preseason mode.
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I wish I could say this better, but I can’t.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
This is my opinion on our most recent coaches, most of you wont read this and the one’s that do will probably disagree but idgaf.
Dennis Allen- He is a guy who I believe is highly intelligent when it comes to x’s and o’s, probably one of the smarter guys in the league. That being said, the dude can’t teach and he doesn’t inspire. Guys won’t play for him and I think most don’t even like him. You can hear the frustration when u listen Taiwan and Pryor talk, this coach is disenfranchising the young guys. How can someone like Pryor ever trust a coach like Allen if he were to advise him to change positions? I think DA is in over his head and doesn’t have what it takes to be a HC yet. He is the NFL version of Mike Brown, except nowhere near as well liked by the media or hos own players. On a whiteboard he will dazzle you with his knowledge of the game, but he will leave u scratching ur head when he is actually on the job. He hasn’t even been a successful coordinator in this league and we except him to be our saving grace as a head coach?
Tom Cable- I really liked the Cable Guy/John Goodman. I think he is that Joe sixpack, blue collar, lunch pale type of guy and most people will get along with him easily. I think he is an excellent teacher and a great motivator. In my opinion he is lacking in his knowledge of the x’s and o’s and I don’t envision him out game-planning or out coaching many HCs in this league. I think he is a hard worker and he inspires others to work hard. He strikes me as a guy that is a better soldier than General, the right hand man of the head guy. I think a position coach/asst head coach is the perfect role for him. Allows him to teach without having to occupy too much of his time game-planning.
Hue Jackson- I think he is a very good playecaller, good
x’s and o’s guy and a pretty good motivator. Has been an excellent teacher at every stop and is a guy most players like and respect. Has the charisma that it takes to be good with the press and the offense that appeals to fans; he’ll put butts in the seats. His personality made every press conference entertaing and combined with his exciting offense, gave us the most sellouts and positive media coverage since the Callahan year. Biggest problem is that he doesn’t know how to delegate responsibilty to others. We spent all year with no true OC, QB coach, and through no fault of his own, with him as our de-facto GM. I think the Romac incident dealt a great blow to him as well. With the playoffs within reach, he chose to play him in an attempt to win rather sit him and send a message. That hurt his credibility with some in the media, some fans, and im sure some players. Is still our best coach since Gruden and reminds me of Jimmy Johnson. He went 1-4 down the stretch which coincides with the time DMC missed and the games Carson Palmer started. Offense played well enough to win a few of those games. I think he deserved a chance to bring in his own DC and get a whole year. Will be a HC in college or the NFL in the near future
December 17th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
None of that matter at 3-10
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It matters more at 3-10.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Dakota Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Twocents Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I want the Raiders to win out even though it might drop them out of the worst ten.
The psychological benefit would be a big plus for everyone concerned.
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Not going to happen…..the only teams this Raider squad can beat are garbage teams like KC, Jax and a heavily injured team like Pitt.
Up against any team that is average we get destroyed. You want to give false hope so we keep the staff that brought this product to us?
Come on man!
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You should know better! they almost beat Atlanta in Atlanta this year. In the NFL on any given Sunday there can be an upset because all the guys are fast and have skills. I mean Art Shell’s team in 06 beat Pittsburg! I want Knapp fired but do not think we need to tank the season to do so. Note the defense stopped a top rushing offense this week. KC is bad but they are not a bad running team and actually beat Carolina a couple of weeks ago and beat NO in NO.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Actually Richard Seymour and a coin flip beat the Cheats last December. Not Hue Jackson.
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Hypocrite btch.
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Are you drunk already old geezer on cheap eggnog from the corner liquor? Or just stupid?
December 17th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
33. I agree
December 17th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Why the fugg would allen defy his mandate to play pryor?
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Where did this mandate come from?
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DID YOU MISS THIS PART? ALLEN SURE DID
That’s the only way I can evaluate him is to play him,” McKenzie said Nov. 30
fire his azz today!!!!!!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Actually Richard Seymour and a coin flip beat the Cheats last December. Not Hue Jackson.
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Hypocrite btch.
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Are you drunk already old geezer on cheap eggnog from the corner liquor? Or just stupid?
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He didn’t need to add the insult, but what you did say was pretty hypocritical.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
palmer is 1-9 as a raider when he passe for more than 300 yards
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Darren McFadden has 180 carries for a little more than 600 yards and 2 TD’s. In fact McFadden has more fumbles that TD’s. That is terrible. Could you imagine what the Whiners record would be if Gore had more fumbles than TD’s? But,it makes sense to blame Palmer for McFaddens suckage.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
I happen to think that T.Pryor will do well and get better if given a fair shot.T.Pryor has a high upside and it needs to explored and not with just three snaps.Look,our Raiders aren’t going anywhere this season.T.Pryor should be given a fair shot.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
He didn’t need to add the insult, but what you did say was pretty hypocritical.
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Why is it hypocritical?
December 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Why the fugg would allen defy his mandate to play pryor?
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Where did this mandate come from?
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DID YOU MISS THIS PART? ALLEN SURE DID
That’s the only way I can evaluate him is to play him,” McKenzie said Nov. 30
fire his azz today!!!!!!!!
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Like I said in earlier post we need to recalibrate – That my friend is no mandate. Only in the AD world of inudendo can you make that into a mandate to play someone.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
PRYOR ON KRAPP:
“The defense that was there on that third-down pass, wasn’t a great type of play for that defense. We weren’t expecting it.”
LOL!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
About that horrible fools gold win yesterday.
Star Loutelili is out of the question. Raiders still may have a chance ad Damontre Moore / Manti Te’o. They should not win anymore games to insure a stud draft pick or trade down scenario.
Btw 5 fg’s against the worst team in the league?? lmao classic knapp
December 17th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
None of that matter at 3-10
that is the time to evaluate young players and allen has failed in this department
you mean to tell me that brandion ross and adams get playing time
BUT NOT YOUR 3RD DRAFT CHOICE?!/!/
FOR WHAT REASON?!?!/ FOR A MEANINGLESS WIN?!/!
FIRE THIS AGENDA BENT LOSER TODAY!!!!!
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OK have you ever played or been around a football team?
If you do not do everything to win the team will quit on you and stop progressing. That is both offense and defense. Starting Pryor in the eyes of everyone with some knowledge of football would be conceding the game. You can not run an NFL team that way. Guys work way to hard to have it all thrown out by simply going into preseason mode.
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untrue
playing pryor does not mean conceding victory.
Is it conceding victory when any other back up qb plays?
then why would you say it is the case for the raiders/
locker is on the field, henne is on the filed ponder continues to suck, are they conceding victories?
this coach is clueless
FIRE HIS AZZ TODAY!!!!!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
He didn’t need to add the insult, but what you did say was pretty hypocritical.
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Why is it hypocritical?
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You say the Raiders finally beat an opponent late in the season, regardless of opponent and it was something Hue never did.
I bring up that They in fact did beat the same inferior opponent
You respont with a cheap excuse. What happened to “Regardless of opponent”?
December 17th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
palmer is 1-9 as a raider when he passe for more than 300 yards
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That is because he is trying to come from behind. Typically losing QBs throw for a lot of yards at times if the defense is stinking it up. That tells me CP is doing a lot to help but he can not do it alone. Now having said this he sometimes gives games away with bad passes as well.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
palmer is 1-9 as a raider when he passe for more than 300 yards
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Darren McFadden has 180 carries for a little more than 600 yards and 2 TD’s. In fact McFadden has more fumbles that TD’s. That is terrible. Could you imagine what the Whiners record would be if Gore had more fumbles than TD’s? But,it makes sense to blame Palmer for McFaddens suckage.
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Bush, stop it
palmer throwing for more than 300 yards is meaningless
less of palmer is far better
December 17th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
DID YOU MISS THIS PART? ALLEN SURE DID
That’s the only way I can evaluate him is to play him,” McKenzie said Nov. 30
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Well, yes. Of course the only way to evaluate him is to play him. But he did not say, the only way to evaluate him is to start him. He did not say when or how to play him. That is a coaches decision and McKenzie knows this. I am sure the plan was if the game got out of control either by the Raiders leading by a bunch of vice versa, Pryor would have gotten some more work in. Or as I said, if Pryor came in and excelled, I am sure they would have left him in. Neither happened. You have 53+ guys and 50,000 fans that want to win. There is where Allens allegiance SHOULD be. Not with one guy.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
To not have a pass option package with Pryor and Goodson to run occasionally…is inexcusable
December 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Is deniers defense better or worse now that dennis Allen is gone?
December 17th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
If DA wants to ‘Claim’ the 1st shutout in 10 years…
He needs to own he 167 points given up in the month of November,
Which is the worst 4 games in the 50+ years of Raider Football..
Makes the alleged shutout seem perfectly worthless…
December 17th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
To not have a pass option package with Pryor and Goodson to run occasionally…is inexcusable
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You must’ve just tuned in yesterday. Allow me to catch you up to Knapps offense:
Stretch Run Left
Stretch Run Right
Incomplete pass Short of the Markers.
Punt
December 17th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
He didn’t need to add the insult, but what you did say was pretty hypocritical.
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Why is it hypocritical?
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You say the Raiders finally beat an opponent late in the season, regardless of opponent and it was something Hue never did.
I bring up that They in fact did beat the same inferior opponent
You respont with a cheap excuse. What happened to “Regardless of opponent”?
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If you read carefully what I wrote, I said, we won “handily” late in the season, something Jackson never did. In the game he did win against the Cheats, it took two great plays from Seymour, and I think we can all agree that if the Raiders lost the coin flip in overtime, the Cheats most likely would have driven down the field scored and won, as they had driven down the field repeatedly prior. So, Jackson did not win that game, Richard Seymour and a coin flip did. Nothing hypocritical about it.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
See responses below
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untrue * So you are now aribitor of truth?*
playing pryor does not mean conceding victory.*Not playing your best player at QB is akin to throwing in the towel and being in preseason mode. Problem is you are not in preseason. Rotating in a LB or someting for a play or two is a lot different than starting your 3rd string QB.*
Is it conceding victory when any other back up qb plays?
* If it happens because of injury then no but to do it unilateraly to evaluate someone – not to win the game is in fact conceding something and it creates an attitude with the team.*
then why would you say it is the case for the raiders/
locker is on the field, henne is on the filed ponder continues to suck, are they conceding victories?
*Ponder has tanked. CP3 has not tanked like Ponder, sorry bad analogy. The Titans also think Locker is better than the other QB as well. No one on the actual Raiders team or anyone with football knowledge thinks Pryor right now is better than CP or even ML.*
this coach is clueless
*Based on the all knowing Mystical one of course*
FIRE HIS AZZ TODAY!!!!!!!
* Fire yourself and your retreaded points*
December 17th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Bush, stop it
palmer throwing for more than 300 yards is meaningless
less of palmer is far better
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You have no answer for my comments. Palmer would be much better with a solid running game. Every QB is. We have one of the worst running games in the league. How does that not enter the equation?
December 17th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
51.Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
DID YOU MISS THIS PART? ALLEN SURE DID
That’s the only way I can evaluate him is to play him,” McKenzie said Nov. 30
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Well, yes. Of course the only way to evaluate him is to play him. But he did not say, the only way to evaluate him is to start him. He did not say when or how to play him. That is a coaches decision and McKenzie knows this. I am sure the plan was if the game got out of control either by the Raiders leading by a bunch of vice versa, Pryor would have gotten some more work in. Or as I said, if Pryor came in and excelled, I am sure they would have left him in. Neither happened. You have 53+ guys and 50,000 fans that want to win. There is where Allens allegiance SHOULD be. Not with one guy.
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Exactly…
“Is important to you to see Terrelle Pryor play before the end of the year?
“I care because that’s the only way I can evaluate him, is to play him. Now, when he plays, how much he plays, that will be a charge to the coaching staff but, yes. We’ve got a third of the season left, and this is a good time to try to figure out what works best for him.”
December 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
56. 5 FG’s, with only 1 from the Red Zone, hardly makes it “Handily win”. and an in depth explination doesn’t make it any less hypocritical of a statement.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Anybody else see Brandion Ross and Phillip Adams as servicable players to bring back…..?
December 17th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Miss Tick, in your first post since the game you said you were done with this team. That taking effect anytime soon?
December 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Dakota Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Is deniers defense better or worse now that dennis Allen is gone?
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Here is another question:
Is a defense that is built to defend passes better when playing with big leads? You can not ignore the impact of that revitialized offense for that defense.
Need to look at the full context. Players on Denver all like DA and did a great job building the foundation they are now playing on.
Come to think I wonder what impacts our sucky offense has on our defense when it can not run this year for the most part – yesturday’s game not standing.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
BOKNOWS Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Anybody else see Brandion Ross and Phillip Adams as servicable players to bring back…..?
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As starters? No.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
I didn’t even realize the Raiders played a game on sunday. I was too busy doing nothing.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Coaching was not an A.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Pryor schooling Krapp about x and o. Become a film junkie and better play caller already than Knapp and his 20 years
December 17th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
So, that’s ELEVEN straight games now without a first quarter TD ?
We’ve got the homer, Greg Papa, aptly calling ventures inside the opposition’s 20 as excursions into the ‘Dead Zone’.
If Gregg Krapp isn’t the worst OC in the NFL, I’d like to know who is.
A lethal combination of insipid play-calling and inept scheming. Predictable. Boring. Ineffective.
Case in point:
All season long we’ve watched the Raids attempt to run the ZBS stretch ‘wide’ – and get STUFFED time after time.
If it wasn’t so pathetic, it would be almost comical.
Yet we’ve rarely seen a reverse to try to counteract the defensive sideline pursuit.
We haven’t seen a single option pass to loosen things up or give opposing defenses reason to pause.
No imagination. No counter-measures. Nothing.
Just the same boring futility and failure, over and over again.
Trust me on this, ELEVEN straight games without a 1st quarter TD isn’t a coincidence and it can’t be blamed entirely on personnel deficiencies – it’s evidence that the OC is an INCOMPETENT LOSER.
If Krapp is back in 2013, I won’t be.
There’s only so much Krapp even the most diehard Raider fan can endure.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
I see both Ross and Adams as good ST / Fill ins 2nd string possibilities. Who knows maybe one can even start.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Anyone else have nightmares of Nick Miller when they saw Matt Giordano fielding punts?
December 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
56. 5 FG’s, with only 1 from the Red Zone, hardly makes it “Handily win”.
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3 times the yardage? over twice the TOP? A shutout? They never really had a chance. Sounds pretty handily to me. But Now you are just talking semantics.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
I think both Ross and Adams will supplant Gio
December 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
GG Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Pryor schooling Krapp about x and o. Become a film junkie and better play caller already than Knapp and his 20 years
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He should’ve changed the play. If you get a 1st down they can’t yank you in the middle of a drive. Then run a no huddle.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
What does everyone here have to say about DMAC byytchin out the coach on the sideline?
I think that reflects on knapp as well
December 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
56. 5 FG’s, with only 1 from the Red Zone, hardly makes it “Handily win”.
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3 times the yardage? over twice the TOP? A shutout? They never really had a chance. Sounds pretty handily to me. But Now you are just talking semantics.
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Well it was against the Chiefs, but i guess you already bailed yourself out with the “Regardless of Opponent” thing. LOL, well played .
December 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Fire Da now!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
So, that’s ELEVEN straight games now without a first quarter TD ?
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That is damming on Knapp also the poor 3rd Qtr performance. This means he is not making adjustments and not able to find weaknesses in the other team very well. That is on the OC.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Fire Da now!
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Fire Da whole staff now!
December 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
That was the toilet bowl yesterday.. sponsored by Charmin toilet paper
December 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
There should be a rule that in no way are gregg knapp and brian daboll aloud to coach against eachover.
December 17th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Greg Knapp is the only dead horse that cannot be beaten enough.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
1960AutumnWind, are you new to the blog or just been away for a while and are unfamiliar with mistics cause?
December 17th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
pryor will never get a chance. he has pictures of DA topless
December 17th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
The_Judge37 Says: December 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Jackie Bibby Says: December 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm Fire Da now! ——–
Fire Da whole staff now!
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That works too.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Why would the coaching staff get an A? We scored 0 Touchdowns???
December 17th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
DID YOU MISS THIS PART? ALLEN SURE DID
That’s the only way I can evaluate him is to play him,” McKenzie said Nov. 30
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Well, yes. Of course the only way to evaluate him is to play him. But he did not say, the only way to evaluate him is to start him. He did not say when or how to play him. That is a coaches decision and McKenzie knows this. I am sure the plan was if the game got out of control either by the Raiders leading by a bunch of vice versa, Pryor would have gotten some more work in. Or as I said, if Pryor came in and excelled, I am sure they would have left him in. Neither happened. You have 53+ guys and 50,000 fans that want to win. There is where Allens allegiance SHOULD be. Not with one guy.
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more hero worshiping bullshidd!!!!
pulling a qb after 1 3 and out is not evaluating him.
Any qb will tell yuo doing such a thing is only setting the qb up to fail.
he should be able to practice with the first team, than play in the game without having to worry about a turn over or a 3 and out sending him to the bench.
ALLEN IS A LIAR AND NEEDS TO BE CANNED
FIRE HIS AZZ!!!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Fire Allen, Fire Knapp!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Allen: “Yo, Reg? TP still doesn’t look like he’s going to cut it as a qb. I’m thinking of putting him in early, see if he can get anything going. See what we got.”
Reg: “He looks lost in practice. Why even put him out there?”
Allen: “If he looks mediocre, might be able to get something from him in a trade.”
Reg: “If he sucks, we won’t get anything for him. Give him a series. If he moves the chains, it raises his value. If he doesn’t move the chains, yank him. If he can’t move the chains in practice, not sure why you think he will during a game.”
Some of you can’t grasp this, for some reason.
THE COACHES SEE HIM PLAY EVERY DAY IN PRACTICE. THE FACT HE JUST SUITED UP SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.
Of course, many of you refuse to see the obvious, painful as it is.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
DA is going no where.
Reg is going no where.
CP is going no where.
And TP is very likely going elsewhere.
Now quit your damn crying like little girls.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
man i miss bartell, i was looking forward to him getting his first int since 2008. remember the reggie lovers said how bartell and spencer were an improvement from our secondary last year and were a great value.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
THE COACHES SEE HIM PLAY EVERY DAY IN PRACTICE. THE FACT HE JUST SUITED UP SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.
Of course, many of you refuse to see the obvious, painful as it is.
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I’m not even really in favor of Prior, but At the begining of the Year, this Coaching staff Thought Alex Parsons should have a legitament competition with Stephen Wiznewski. Tells you all you need to know as far as their personel management skills go.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Allen: “Yo, Reg? TP still doesn’t look like he’s going to cut it as a qb. I’m thinking of putting him in early, see if he can get anything going. See what we got.”
Reg: “He looks lost in practice. Why even put him out there?”
Allen: “If he looks mediocre, might be able to get something from him in a trade.”
Reg: “If he sucks, we won’t get anything for him. Give him a series. If he moves the chains, it raises his value. If he doesn’t move the chains, yank him. If he can’t move the chains in practice, not sure why you think he will during a game.”
Some of you can’t grasp this, for some reason.
THE COACHES SEE HIM PLAY EVERY DAY IN PRACTICE. THE FACT HE JUST SUITED UP SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.
Of course, many of you refuse to see the obvious, painful as it is.
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no
that is only how it played out in your mind
pryor already said before the game he DID NOT RECEIVE ANY EXTRA PRACTICE REPS
they have not seen in practice other than the scout team
allen is clueless
FIRE HIS AZZ ALREADY!!!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Allen: “Yo, Reg? TP still doesn’t look like he’s going to cut it as a qb. I’m thinking of putting him in early, see if he can get anything going. See what we got.”
Reg: “He looks lost in practice. Why even put him out there?”
Allen: “If he looks mediocre, might be able to get something from him in a trade.”
Reg: “If he sucks, we won’t get anything for him. Give him a series. If he moves the chains, it raises his value. If he doesn’t move the chains, yank him. If he can’t move the chains in practice, not sure why you think he will during a game.”
Some of you can’t grasp this, for some reason.
THE COACHES SEE HIM PLAY EVERY DAY IN PRACTICE. THE FACT HE JUST SUITED UP SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.
Of course, many of you refuse to see the obvious, painful as it is.
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how many snaps does Pryor get in practice with the first team in practice? Any? yeah these coaches and gm havent been wrong before right? they cut their best corner in pat lee, the corner they brought in to be our number 1 was recently cut, marcel reece must have had a good practice week in week 10 bc thats when he got his first carry. they done a great job destroying an OL which was our strength last year. yep, your right , no way this crew could be wrong about Pryor
December 17th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Allen: “Yo, Reg? TP still doesn’t look like he’s going to cut it as a qb. I’m thinking of putting him in early, see if he can get anything going. See what we got.”
Reg: “He looks lost in practice. Why even put him out there?”
Allen: “If he looks mediocre, might be able to get something from him in a trade.”
Reg: “If he sucks, we won’t get anything for him. Give him a series. If he moves the chains, it raises his value. If he doesn’t move the chains, yank him. If he can’t move the chains in practice, not sure why you think he will during a game.”
Some of you can’t grasp this, for some reason.
THE COACHES SEE HIM PLAY EVERY DAY IN PRACTICE. THE FACT HE JUST SUITED UP SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.
Of course, many of you refuse to see the obvious, painful as it is.——————————————————————————————–
So your saying if you suck in practice you dont play , but if you practice good, and in games you are the worst fvcking right gaurd to ever lace’em up , you keep your starting position?
December 17th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Cool DA you proved that you can out coach a struggling coordinator posing as a head coach leading a horrific team good for you DA, but this team has more needs then your personal Scooby snacks on the field.. My hopes is that Reggie Mac has a plan to one and this has to be a must in order to keep majority fan base in interest an nit jumping ship on this franchise ….Cut freaking ties and FIRE Knapp!!!(I was there at the game yesterday I can see on the sidelines how the players was so upset wit he’s play callin and the offensive staff in whole was hearing it from the players) it’s simple dude gotta go ,bring in a more productive & player friendly OC .. As I been saying loose out the remaining two games , hold on to a #4 or #6 draft spot ..trade down to STL for there #15 & one of there 2nd round picks ..continue what they have been doing by making there cuts , trades & FA pick ups.. Rebuild!!
December 17th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
oN SUNDAY THE RAIDERS AND THE HOME CROWD WILL GET A FACE FULL OF CAM NEWTON AND THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE!!!
I want to see what happens when newton turn out the lights at oco and carson leads us to another mind bending turnover filled loss.
THEN WILL BIG MACK TELL ALLEN TO PLAY PRYOR?!?!
allen and knapp are going to look like bigger jokes than they already do when cam and the read option hybrid offense clean house, and our read option wizards damc and pryor never see the field together.
ALLEN COMMITTED THE ULTIMATE TREASON AGAINST THE RAIDER NATION AND FLIPPED BIG MACK AND DAVIS THE BIRD!!
FIRE HIS AZZ TODAY!!!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
Anyone else have nightmares of Nick Miller when they saw Matt Giordano fielding punts?
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I thought Nick was fast with questionable hands, and Gio just the opposite.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
even former nfl players that work for local media are demanding to see pryor. romo and lo neal.
ALLEN FAILED TO PREP HIM AND GET HIM IN THE GAME FOR ANYTHING MEANINGFUL!!
HE MUST BE FIRED THIS INSTANT!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
DID YOU MISS THIS PART? ALLEN SURE DID
That’s the only way I can evaluate him is to play him,” McKenzie said Nov. 30
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Well, yes. Of course the only way to evaluate him is to play him. But he did not say, the only way to evaluate him is to start him. He did not say when or how to play him. That is a coaches decision and McKenzie knows this. I am sure the plan was if the game got out of control either by the Raiders leading by a bunch of vice versa, Pryor would have gotten some more work in. Or as I said, if Pryor came in and excelled, I am sure they would have left him in. Neither happened. You have 53+ guys and 50,000 fans that want to win. There is where Allens allegiance SHOULD be. Not with one guy.
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more hero worshiping bullshidd!!!!
pulling a qb after 1 3 and out is not evaluating him.
Any qb will tell yuo doing such a thing is only setting the qb up to fail.
he should be able to practice with the first team, than play in the game without having to worry about a turn over or a 3 and out sending him to the bench.
ALLEN IS A LIAR AND NEEDS TO BE CANNED
FIRE HIS AZZ!!!!!
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You don’t follow football, do you?
It’s obvious you don’t have a clue.
Let me help.
A player who’s listed 3rd in the depth charts? Might sniff a play, here and there. Maybe. If he does get a sniff, and doesn’t do anything to keep sniffing? Coach does what he’s supposed to do. Rotate him out.
Next game, maybe give that player, few others a sniff. See how they handle it. Unless they shine, changes are rotated out. Maybe after a play. Or a series.
Many don’t even get a sniff the whole year.
the coach doesn’t owe any player anything. He does what’s right for the team.
YOU ARE THINKING OF WHEN AL WAS IN CHARGE. AL WOULD RATHER LOSE TRYING TO PROVE RUSSELL WAS A GOOD DRAFT PICK…oh, my bad. I meant Al would have left TP in, because he hates looking the fool, until everyone on the planet knew TP (Russell) was a bust, and had no choice but to yank him.
Thankfully Al isn’t making those decisions.
Lucky for you, however, because now? Right now? You would be making excuses why TP looked so awful.
Don’t you feel better? You can keep your hallow dream that a guy who all the coaches feel isn’t ready is in fact a super star.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
more hero worshiping bullshidd!!!!
pulling a qb after 1 3 and out is not evaluating him.
Any qb will tell yuo doing such a thing is only setting the qb up to fail.
he should be able to practice with the first team, than play in the game without having to worry about a turn over or a 3 and out sending him to the bench.
ALLEN IS A LIAR AND NEEDS TO BE CANNED
FIRE HIS AZZ!!!!!
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While some of this I would agree with, you neglected to address the point about the other 53+ players, dozens of organizational staff and 50,000 people that all want to win, not just watch one player go three and out.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
So your saying if you suck in practice you dont play , but if you practice good, and in games you are the worst fvcking right gaurd to ever lace’em up , you keep your starting position?
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LOL!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
DA is going no where.
Reg is going no where.
CP is going no where.
And TP is very likely going elsewhere.
Now quit your damn crying like little girls
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I really hope this is true ! I love how the Faiders are the laughing stock of the NFL again . You guys have a big LOSER at qb named Carson Russell. Then you have the stupidest defensive coach ever in Dennis the menace Allen ! As soon has he left the broncos the D got a lot better … hmmmmm LOSERS!
December 17th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Sign Carson Russell to another 5 year extension so that the Faiders can suck for another 10 years ! Oh and sign Dennis Allen to 20 more years please ! hahaha
December 17th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
After your 2 year rental on Billboard head expires, you’ll be in the same boat. Back to more Kyle Orton’s and Brian Griese’s
December 17th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
PRYOR ON KRAPP:
“The defense that was there on that third-down pass, wasn’t a great type of play for that defense. We weren’t expecting it.”
LOL!!!
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Typical of Pryor’s slow thinking. He’s audibling hours after the play instead of when he should have 5 seconds before the snap.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Why would any fan want to se a 3rd string Qb when you can see a INT machine name Carson Russell leading the Faiders to 4012 seasons for the next 10 years ! Broncos will be AFC champs 10 years in a row !
December 17th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Everything is going to be great again soon,…Reggie taking out the trash and DA and Knapp, once they get a decent roster, will win. Period.
Post script: Pryor sucks.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
more hero worshiping bullshidd!!!!
pulling a qb after 1 3 and out is not evaluating him.
Any qb will tell yuo doing such a thing is only setting the qb up to fail.
he should be able to practice with the first team, than play in the game without having to worry about a turn over or a 3 and out sending him to the bench.
ALLEN IS A LIAR AND NEEDS TO BE CANNED
FIRE HIS AZZ!!!!!
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While some of this I would agree with, you neglected to address the point about the other 53+ players, dozens of organizational staff and 50,000 people that all want to win, not just watch one player go three and out.
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NO BUSH
you are acting as if playing pryor is conceeding a victory. Why?
why do locker, ponder, quin, henne get to play/ Are those teams conceding victory?
Sorry bush i dont think pryor would have had any trouble leading 5 field goal drives to beat the cheifs
Allen has been exposed for his transparent agenda against pryor
HE SHOULD BE FIRED FOR THIS EGREGIOUS ACT!!!!
Dont worry when newton and the boys blow the doors off with pryor on the bench he will get fired at seasons end.
i hope he savors his meaningless 5 field goal victory against the worst team in football
December 17th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
even former nfl players that work for local media are demanding to see pryor. romo and lo neal.
ALLEN FAILED TO PREP HIM AND GET HIM IN THE GAME FOR ANYTHING MEANINGFUL!!
HE MUST BE FIRED THIS INSTANT!!!
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ROFLMFAO knowing that right now you’re having a little hissy fit.
Stomping your feet.
Yelling at the wall.
Little balled up fists pounding your legs, chanting “It’s not fair. IT’S NOT FAIR. HE NEEDS TO BE FIRED!!!!”
Seriously, look at you in total meltdown.
Good stuff, kiddo.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
After your 2 year rental on Billboard head expires, you’ll be in the same boat. Back to more Kyle Orton’s and Brian Griese’s
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Ill take 2 back to back super bowls wins with Peyton any day over 5 more years of 4-12 seasons with the greatest Faider QB ever Carson Russell !
December 17th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
What you would take and what you’ll get are two different things. Donkey’s are a playoff stepping stone, nothing more.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
PRYOR ON KRAPP:
“The defense that was there on that third-down pass, wasn’t a great type of play for that defense. We weren’t expecting it.”
LOL!!!
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Typical of Pryor’s slow thinking. He’s audibling hours after the play instead of when he should have 5 seconds before the snap.
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have you been following.
They did not give pryor enough practice reps to have access to audibles.
he was given 5 plays to work with according to the cbs crew that did the game….5?!?!?!
a 5 game package with out freedom to audible
He was never supposed to play, and allen only did it to be able to sat he put him on the field.
He was not given a fair shot, and was sabotaged
FIRE ALLEN NOW!!!!!!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
oN SUNDAY THE RAIDERS AND THE HOME CROWD WILL GET A FACE FULL OF CAM NEWTON AND THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE!!!
I want to see what happens when newton turn out the lights at oco and carson leads us to another mind bending turnover filled loss.
allen and knapp are going to look like bigger jokes than they already do when cam and the read option hybrid offense clean house, and our read option wizards damc and pryor never see the field together.
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Your prophecies this year have been well short of ‘mystical’ giving me another reason to expect a victory, no matter what stadium they play at.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
you are acting as if playing pryor is conceeding a victory. Why?
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Because he orchestrated the worst drive of any of ours yesterday?
Because he isn’t the best player at his position?
Two likely reasons.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Just looked at the game again.
Horrible pass from Pryor, into double coverage, that should have been picked.
Thank you Coach Allen.
You did good.
Oh, I checked the headlines around the wires.
“RAIDER END LOSING STREAK”
“RAIDERS SHUTOUT KC”
“RAIDERS SHOWED UP TO PLAY”
Nowhere, anywhere, did I see:
“RAIDERS SHOULD HAVE KEPT PRYOR IN, EVEN IF HE COST THE TEAM THE GAME”
I looked, just couldn’t find it.
Oh well, lol.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
LETS SEE WHAT THOSE FEW REAMING PALMER WORSHIPERS AND ALLEN HAVE TO SAY AFTER CAM NEWTON COMES IN HERE AND KICKS CARSON AND ALLENS AZZ!!!!!
THE NFL IS CHANGING OPTION FOOTBAL IS THE LATEST THING IN THE NFL AND WE HAVE TWO GUYS THAT WERE SUPER STARS DOING IT YET THEY DONTY SEE THE FIELD TOGETHER?!?!/!NAD FOR WHAT?!?!?! 5 FILED GOALS AND A MEANINGLESS WIN?!?!/1
FIRE ALLEN NOW HE IS A LIAR AND A LOSER!!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Im out , now people are just making shid up.
Im done with this team until they fire allen and send palmer packing
we cant win with those losers see 4-10
December 17th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Can TP develop into a successful NFL QB ?
I doubt it. I have strong reservations about his throwing ability.
However, I don’t have any doubts that TP is a FREAK ATHLETE and probably can be a force in some capacity – even if it’s not at QB.
I don’t second guess the decision to invest a 3rd round pick on him for a nano-second.
If he develops into a franchise QB, fantastic.
If not, his talent can be utilized elsewhere.
In the meantime, the only way to get a gauge on things and try to make a determination as to what the future might hold is to give TP a taste.
Doesn’t mean he should have started, or should start.
It does mean he should have been active. It does mean he should have been used in some packages already.
There’s ways to try to develop players and use personnel effectively – and there’s ways to let talent languish on the bench and not plan for the future even after the current season has gone down the toilet.
Tits and Krapp. Pffft. Visionless buffoons.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
ROFLMFAO knowing that right now you’re having a little hissy fit.
Stomping your feet.
Yelling at the wall.
Little balled up fists pounding your legs, chanting “It’s not fair. IT’S NOT FAIR. HE NEEDS TO BE FIRED!!!!”
Seriously, look at you in total meltdown.
Good stuff, kiddo.
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Please have some patients with Dennis he is a great coach and we need him to coach the Faiders for a long time . He is doing a great job up there in Jokeland . Please have Patients it takes atleast 10 years before you see any type of improvement .He needs to coach the faiders for a long time please !
December 17th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
What does everyone here have to say about DMAC byytchin out the coach on the sideline?
I think that reflects on knapp as well
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Which coach?
Knapp?
December 17th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Bronco Billy Joe Says:
I really hope this is true ! I love how the Faiders are the laughing stock of the NFL again . You guys have a big LOSER at qb named Carson Russell. Then you have the stupidest defensive coach ever in Dennis the menace Allen ! As soon has he left the broncos the D got a lot better … hmmmmm LOSERS!
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How come a Donkey fan making no attempt to hide it writes a post that could’ve been written by half the so called ‘fans’ in here?
December 17th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
So, let’s summarize who was let go and how the staff did in evaluating players:
DA has heated fight with total POS. POS in benched. #5 rushing attack in NFL gets 10 yards on 10 carries.
McKenzie gets rid of work out warrior Bruce Campbell. Campbell still has not gotten in a game.
McKenzie ships out Barksdale. He has played in three games.
McKenzie ships out Louis Murphy who leads all cast offs with a riveting 21 catch season.
McKenzie ships out Routt and his $10mm price tag. Routt gets dumped again by the worst team in the league.
Kam Wimbley who we will see tonight has 12 unassisted tackles and 5 sacks. We have $12mm. And we need that $12mm.
I’m not seeing a problem here really.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Bronco Billy Joe Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
After your 2 year rental on Billboard head expires, you’ll be in the same boat. Back to more Kyle Orton’s and Brian Griese’s
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Ill take 2 back to back super bowls wins with Peyton any day over 5 more years of 4-12 seasons with the greatest Faider QB ever Carson Russell !———————————————————————-
payton manning is 9-10 in the playoffs. If you would
remove the cum crusties out of your eyes from the
denver bronco bukakke party you could research him.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
LETS SEE WHAT THOSE FEW REAMING PALMER WORSHIPERS AND ALLEN HAVE TO SAY AFTER CAM NEWTON COMES IN HERE AND KICKS CARSON AND ALLENS AZZ!!!!!
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Actually, we are going to visit them in Carolina. I am sure we will have guys show up and be ready.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Isn’t Bronco Billy Joe that guy in the barrel and orange bronco boots that got frostbite and almost died at a bronco game?
December 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Allen is a saboteur
Reggie is in cahoots
Mark show them all the door
December 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
So, let’s summarize who was let go and how the staff did in evaluating players:
DA has heated fight with total POS. POS in benched. #5 rushing attack in NFL gets 10 yards on 10 carries.
McKenzie gets rid of work out warrior Bruce Campbell. Campbell still has not gotten in a game.
McKenzie ships out Barksdale. He has played in three games.
McKenzie ships out Louis Murphy who leads all cast offs with a riveting 21 catch season.
McKenzie ships out Routt and his $10mm price tag. Routt gets dumped again by the worst team in the league.
Kam Wimbley who we will see tonight has 12 unassisted tackles and 5 sacks. We have $12mm. And we need that $12mm.
I’m not seeing a problem here really.
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The problem is in their Replacements
December 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Rockin Raider is right ! Dennis Allen is a great coach please keep him for as long as possible ! Carson Russell is the Greatest Faider Qb of all time and his losing record is everyone elses fault but him . Dennis Allen and Carson Russell ARE THE FAIDERS !
December 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Man, is this an era of quick results or what? Pryor handed the ball twice then throw a Tebow at DHB. I think that will be it for his career.
Damn that offsides penalty! whyyyyyy?
Love the drama around Pryor in here! LOL!
December 17th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Bronco Billy Joe used to be Bronco Willy Joe, but he lost his Willy in the frostbite incident.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
What does everyone here have to say about DMAC byytchin out the coach on the sideline?
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It was the other way around.
As soon as he sat down, the coach got right in his face, and Darren walked away.
Not one player followed him, and they all stayed and listened to the coach.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Bronco Billy Joe Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Rockin Raider is right ! Dennis Allen is a great coach please keep him for as long as possible ! Carson Russell is the Greatest Faider Qb of all time and his losing record is everyone elses fault but him . Dennis Allen and Carson Russell ARE THE FAIDERS !
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How old are you?
12?
December 17th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
And then fans started heckling McFadden.
My buddy sits a few rows back behind the bench and watched it unfold, and that’s how he described it to me.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
The problem is in their Replacements
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McKenzie couldn’t replace them. He could only get rid of salary. That’s a lot of the problem.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Wow.
ESPN, as we speak.
“RAIDERS FIRST SHUT OUT SINCE WEEK 17, 2002″ just scrolled across the screen.
And still nothing about a 3rd string qb not getting extensive play.
If any breaking news should surface about the NFL at large being despondent about Pryors lack of playing time, I’ll be sure to update.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
For GG and Douchebag:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/newtown-libor-hunger-games-theories.php
Idiots. Take your fkn tinfoil hats off.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
People up in arms becuase the player THEY WANT isn’t being “evaluated”.
I saw Bergstrom get a season high in reps. Same with Ross. MM34 was on the field blitzing almost every 3rd down. Goodson had a season high in touches. Bilukidi played the most he has all year.
But waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa……TP and Taiwan didn’t get gifted some playing time.
Maybe they should go check in on what Ross, Goodson, MM34 and Bergs are doing to get their reps.
December 17th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
How old are you?
12?
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I’m 16 and love watching the PATHETIC faiders get destroyed by teams. I have enjoyes the last 10 years so much ! The faiders have all the right pieces in place for another 10 years losing streak ! LOSER QB ! LOSER coach ! LOSER GM ! And the biggest LOSER fans in all the world !
December 17th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Wow.
ESPN, as we speak.
“RAIDERS FIRST SHUT OUT SINCE WEEK 17, 2002″ just scrolled across the screen.
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This just in …. Rocking Raider is a loser and roots for a team that will be 4-12 for the next 10 years ! yaaaaaaaaa! Dennis Allen Coach of the Year !
December 17th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Wow.
ESPN, as we speak.
“RAIDERS FIRST SHUT OUT SINCE WEEK 17, 2002″ just scrolled across the screen.
And still nothing about a 3rd string qb not getting extensive play.
If any breaking news should surface about the NFL at large being despondent about Pryors lack of playing time, I’ll be sure to update.
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NFL Launching investigation into Pryor Consipriacy.
BSPN: Roger Goodell today is launching an investigation to find out how wide spread the consipriacy is to not play Tyrell Pryor. Aparently Tyrell can run faster than Chris Johnson and throw the ball farther than well… Jamarcus Russell. Goodell is concerned that this is a consipriacy in order to secure the #1 overall draft pick by continuing to play Carson Palmer instead.
One problem with this theory is the Raiders actually won the game!
December 17th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Can anyone explain how Taiwan Jones can’t get a sniff of the field, besides his very good work on special teams coverage ?
Matt Giordano returning punts ? Really ?
IDGAF what anyone says – this staff, especially Greg Krapp is completely CLUELESS.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
People up in arms becuase the player THEY WANT isn’t being “evaluated”.
I saw Bergstrom get a season high in reps. Same with Ross. MM34 was on the field blitzing almost every 3rd down. Goodson had a season high in touches. Bilukidi played the most he has all year.
But waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa……TP and Taiwan didn’t get gifted some playing time.
Maybe they should go check in on what Ross, Goodson, MM34 and Bergs are doing to get their reps.
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Excellent points.
Maybe if they STOPPED SUCKING they would see the field more. Or change positions. I happen to think TJ might be a great CB… and he has said he is willing to make the change. TP could be the best TE in football… it didn’t take Gates long to pick up the position. How come he doesn’t say he wants to give it a try to see the field?
Instead he should just be GIVEN the spot of QB??
December 17th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says: December 17th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Can anyone explain how Taiwan Jones can’t get a sniff of the field, besides his very good work on special teams coverage ?
Matt Giordano returning punts ? Really ?
IDGAF what anyone says – this staff, especially Greg Krapp is completely CLUELESS.
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Fire Da now!
December 17th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Maybe they should go check in on what Ross, Goodson, MM34 and Bergs are doing to get their reps.
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Naa, cause then they would have to admit that the guys they are in love with will soon be NFL alumni playing in a total of 5 games combined.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Can anyone explain how Taiwan Jones can’t get a sniff of the field, besides his very good work on special teams coverage ?
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Playing him to his strengths.
Besides, we need to evaluate the two RB’s ahead of him to see if they need to be brought back next year, especially McNinny.
He is not an NFL RB. Great gunner though.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
One problem with this theory is the Raiders actually won the game!
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Don’t these same “geniuses” want the Raiders to lose for a better draft pick? Sheesh…
December 17th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Yes, it HAS been explained.
Taiwan Jones sucks in practice. Struggles picking up blitzes, putting QB health in jeopardy.
Maybe he doesn’t work hard enough.
Possibility A) MASS CONSPIRACY!
Possibility B) Taiwan is the 4th best RB on our team, and the other 3 need/deserve PT.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Raiders handily beat a team late in the season. That is a good sign I don’t care who the opponent is. And Hue Jackson never did that.
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what an idiotic statement.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Please have some patients with Dennis Allen . He is doing wonderful things there in Jokeland . It takes time to build a winner , at least 5-10 years . So please be patient and let Dennis Allen do his magic ! The rest of the AFC WEST thanks you ! LOL
December 17th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
have you been following.
They did not give pryor enough practice reps to have access to audibles.
he was given 5 plays to work with according to the cbs crew that did the game….5?!?!?!
a 5 game package with out freedom to audible
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Sounds like it was 1 or 2 plays more than his brain could handle learning. The number differs on whether or not you think he ran 3 plays or 4. He certainly doesn’t know for sure.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Same with the staff, from The Reggie’s point of view.
What’s more important, to see if TP is a #2 or #3 QB, or if Taiwan is a #3 RB or not, or if he has a staff in place the players will fight for in tough times?
IF they wanted to tank and see ALL these youngsters just bequeathed a bunch of PT, they should have just fired the staff a month ago and put in a puppet to do so.
They didn’t, so they won’t.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Alex7
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Hows Pitt and Chi been looking behind those olines
December 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Can anyone explain how Taiwan Jones can’t get a sniff of the field, besides his very good work on special teams coverage ?
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Maybe for the same reason that we don’t see Condo playing LB or whatever his “natural” position is.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Raider (since 1967)
Reggie! FIRE KNAPP! Dude can you read the Blogs!
FIRE KNAPP ——-#1
FIRE KNAPP ——–#2
FIRE KNAPP ——–#3
And a.–HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!
December 17th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
People up in arms becuase the player THEY WANT isn’t being “evaluated”.
I saw Bergstrom get a season high in reps. Same with Ross. MM34 was on the field blitzing almost every 3rd down. Goodson had a season high in touches. Bilukidi played the most he has all year.
But waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa……TP and Taiwan didn’t get gifted some playing time.
Maybe they should go check in on what Ross, Goodson, MM34 and Bergs are doing to get their reps.
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Aside from Goodson, who doesn’t even get the playing time he deserves, neither has really done anything on the field to warrant as much playing time as they get.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
The run defense certainly deserves an A. Coming in KC had the fifth best running offense.
We don’t want to get too carried away about our run offense in this game since coming in KC was even worse at stopping the run than we were.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
He is not an NFL RB. Great gunner though.
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I think he can be an explosive NFL RB, even if it’s not in an every down capacity.
His blocking stinks. But the speed, fluidity and elusiveness in the open field are spectacular.
Can be a game changer if utilized correctly.
Barring injury, will go on to have success elsewhere.
Unlike your boy Slowlando GreenBeanie, who isn’t even a good ‘gunner’.
FREE TAIWAN !
December 17th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
The raiders truly have some dumb ass fans
Lefty12
Alex7
Seymour Bush
Zymurge
JonGroupie2013
Mcfadden20
Gdog
Just fire baby
I mean you seriously have to be a third world idiot to believe Dennis Allen is a competent coach. If you truly believe allen is the answer as a fan you deserve a loser team because you support a loser coach. Smh DA is pathetic as a hc and its blatantly obvious.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Raiders handily beat a team late in the season. That is a good sign I don’t care who the opponent is. And Hue Jackson never did that.
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what an idiotic statement.
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Why?
Don’t you remember how Hue’s team tanked in the last four games?
December 17th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Yes, it HAS been explained.
Taiwan Jones sucks in practice. Struggles picking up blitzes, putting QB health in jeopardy.
Maybe he doesn’t work hard enough.
Possibility A) MASS CONSPIRACY!
Possibility B) Taiwan is the 4th best RB on our team, and the other 3 need/deserve PT.
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LOL.
Two thirds of the people posting on here are going with A.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Thanks for the link RaidingTexas will check it out but it’s important to be vigilant and question as there’s a track record and healthy paranoia is good
December 17th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
an A? for five fgs?…bwahahahaha…jerry is DA giving you extra sandwiches?…hahaha still laughing…oh well, 4-14…it is.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Btw it’s shameful that there are people defending Knapp and Allen above Pryor.
Those clowns are not raiders but saboteurs.
Pryor is a real raider and the last al Davis pick as well as a film junkie who knows more about offense and play calling than Knapp.
Raider nation militia demands
Free Pryor
Free Taiwan
Free ausberry
Free chekwa
December 17th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Single wing. Played against it in hi school, days of 3 yds and cloud of dust, college and pro. Entertaining, even fun to play against if you were a PLAYER. Razzle dazzle, sometimes a puzzle to solve in two seconds, put 5 guys at the point of attack, even a passing game there…for fun. Pryor is made for that offense.
Al Davis and the AFL forced the merger with imagination passing offenses and going after the best QB’s/receivers. TV went crazy and the dough came tumbling in. Get used to, immediately, throwers being behind center. It’s business, pirates. Al Davis is dead and we are stuck with this…crew…as owners. Money talks here, run by a bunch of conservatives in power ties.
So, forgive me If I’m stating the obvious but I think it does pertain to the QB “controversy”. A running game, you pick up about time the back breaks clear. Passing? You are THERE the whole arc of the flight. Correct me if…
December 17th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Running play. Can get you up, out of your seat. High fiving. Excited. But, IMHO, it is vicarious. You are a bystander. A Pass. The usual scrum, clashing of bods, the eye contact, hurl…and time stands still. It is just you and the ball, arcing downfield to…Its personal. You/we are the link.
Then. Look at the options. Completion. again, vicarious. BUT…the other options are intellectual and personal. “He interfered!” “He…” you get the idea. You participate, with a passion.
Just trippin’.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:29 am
Does it seem strange for TPryor to be out one series and not the whole quarter or even a half? Time to fire Allen and take him out like they did Cable. And if you call this a win, well the season is over!! No TDs but janitor in the closet always come through, no matter! Thumbs up him!! Kansas City isn’t a bad team, just horrible players. Find a coach to bring the abilities out of Terrell and it wouldn’t be from this HC Allen. Fire him today for the horrible season this team is having!!