The trick for Raiders is doing it again
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, December 17th, 2012 at 3:08 pm in Oakland Raiders.
With the grand vision of a team that relies on a strong running game and a stout defense finally coming into focus, Raiders coach Dennis Allen contemplated the next step Monday.
Doing it again.
A 15-0 win in their final home game against the Kansas City Chiefs Sunday was nice, but a similar effort on the road against Carolina would be an important next step.
“It’s just like I’ve been saying since Day 1 _ we’ve got to be more consistent at it,’’ Allen said at his weekly press briefing. “We’ve proven we can do it at times, but we’ve got to be more consistent at it. That will be our challenge moving forward.’’
At 4-10, the Raiders finish the season at Carolina and San Diego, both currently 5-9. Not in the NFL’s upper echelon, but not the 2-12 Chiefs, either.
With the Raiders defense taking a beating this season, Allen was protective of the perception that the result wasn’t as impressive given the level of competition.
“It’s tough to shut out anybody in this league,’’ Allen said. “For us to go out there and do that _ it’s the first time it’s been done in this organization for 10 years _ I think that was critical for our defense.’’
The shutout was the first since the Raiders blanked the Chiefs 24-0 in a rainstorm to close out the 2002 season with an 11-5 record. Allen also noted the 119 yards of total offense surrendered was the least given up by the Raiders since 1975, and pointed out that they gave up 10 yards on the ground to a team that came in ranked fifth in the league in rushing.
“I think that was a good confidence-builder,’’ Allen said. “Now we have to build on that.’’
– The Raiders gave the players the day off Monday, with the team beginning preparations for Carolina on Wednesday.
– Defensive end Andre Carter had his second sack and played 32 of 44 snaps, his highest percentage of the season. He was credited with five quarterback hits by the coaching staff.
Carter joined the Raiders Sept. 26 as a free agent after a Pro Bowl season with the Patriots last season that ended with a torn quadriceps that required surgery.
“He’s a lot closer (to top form) than he was, and he’s only going to get better,’’ Allen said. “He’s been a great addition for us, not only on the field, but in the locker room, in the classroom. He’s been good to have and I expect him to continue to get better.’’
– With Denarius Moore struggling to field punts against the Chiefs and Phillip Adams undergoing the NFL concussion protocol for the second time in three weeks, it’s not known who will return punts against the Panthers.
Allen said Moore had trouble finding the ball against the left-footed Dustin Colquitt, who averaged 54.7 yards per punt with a 51.7 net.
“Hopefully he’ll learn from it and we’ll move on,’’ Allen said.
He said other options were safety Matt Giordano and cornerback and special teams player Coye Francies.
– Wide receiver Juron Criner will be evaluated Wednesday after playing eight snaps against Kansas City before injuring his hip. Same goes for safety Mike Mitchell (neck) and defensive tackle Richard Seymour (hamstring), who looked on pace to play against Kansas City before a Friday setback.
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December 17th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Yes, it HAS been explained.
Taiwan Jones sucks in practice. Struggles picking up blitzes, putting QB health in jeopardy.
Maybe he doesn’t work hard enough.
Possibility A) MASS CONSPIRACY!
Possibility B) Taiwan is the 4th best RB on our team, and the other 3 need/deserve PT.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Alex7
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Hows Pitt and Chi been looking behind those olines
December 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Raiders handily beat a team late in the season. That is a good sign I don’t care who the opponent is. And Hue Jackson never did that.
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what an idiotic statement.
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It’s not a statement. It’s a fact.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Always good for a laugh:
THE DEFINITIVE PRYOR EXPERIENCE!!
vs and completion%:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38% (WOW)
Penn St. 47% (YIKES)
Arkansas 56%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44% (DANG)
* also more combined INTs than TDs.
CREAM PUFFS:
Ohio Bobcats – 75%
Marshall 68%
Eastern Michigan (don’t laugh) – 76%
Indiana – 80%
Purdue 72%
Minnesota 81%
December 17th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Same with the staff, from The Reggie’s point of view.
What’s more important, to see if TP is a #2 or #3 QB, or if Taiwan is a #3 RB or not, or if he has a staff in place the players will fight for in tough times?
IF they wanted to tank and see ALL these youngsters just bequeathed a bunch of PT, they should have just fired the staff a month ago and put in a puppet to do so.
They didn’t, so they won’t.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Eastoak!
How are the Packers doing with that atrocious O-line?
December 17th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Dennis Allen is a awesome coach and a great teacher . Look at the improvments made this year ! He needs to be kept around as long has possible . The Faiders will not regret keeping him around for the next 5 years or so. His defensive genius got yall a shut out for the first time in years. He and JaCarson needs to be in Jokeland as LONG as possible !
December 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Eastoak!
How are the Packers doing with that atrocious O-line?
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How’s your cousin and them tig ole bitties ?
December 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Raiders handily beat a team late in the season. That is a good sign I don’t care who the opponent is. And Hue Jackson never did that.
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what an idiotic statement.
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It’s not a statement. It’s a fact.
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Da doesnt compare with Hue in any way, but I guess you like the current staff and how they’ve performed, have fun with that.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
I remember the end of the 2009 season, with Al sitting back and letting his staff try to win games with anybody but Jamarcus playing QB.
DHB got benched in Pittsburgh. Jamarcus demoted behind Charlie Frye. MM34 watching from afar.
Al knew the only way to improve was to win football games. None of this tanking BS.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
How are the Chiefs doing with all those 1st round picks on the O and D-line?
lol
QB league, baby.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Interesting.
Pryor, after the game: “We had it set at one series. It was just a stepping stone. I enjoyed the 4 plays, or whatever it was, but I was excited to get in there at least.”
DA let him know in advance what was to happen.
And DA did as he said he would.
And Pryor appreciated it.
In other words, Pryor would like to add “Would all the little girls out there quit crying about my playing time. I knew it was for one series, and that’s what happened.”
You paying attention, young ladies?
December 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
For what it’s worth…
Indy tanked last year, and they’re doing ok. Of course they replaced their staff…
December 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Da doesnt compare with Hue in any way, but I guess you like the current staff and how they’ve performed, have fun with that.
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Allen is going to be back next year. The team has played hard now at the end of the year. Let’s see how this thing goes next year and then we can compare it to what a loser Jackson was.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Eastoak!
How are the Packers doing with that atrocious O-line?
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Packers Oline getting Healthy, and I believe they have 2 1st rn picks on their line.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Raiders handily beat a team late in the season. That is a good sign I don’t care who the opponent is. And Hue Jackson never did that.
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what an idiotic statement.
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It’s not a statement. It’s a fact.
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Da doesnt compare with Hue in any way, but I guess you like the current staff and how they’ve performed, have fun with that.
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This is true.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
RR
keeping it real! I like it.
These knuckleheads want conspiracies and firings every year which is what BROUGHT US to this low level in the first place.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Great coaches adjust their scheme to fit their players the LAST two years and have made or well on their way to the playoffs.
Mike Shanahan (RGIII)
John Fox (Tebowmania)
Yet, our pathetic Head Coach and OC stick to their scheme.
It took how many years for Houston to be good?
When was the last time a zone blocking scheme team won a super bowl? Denver Broncos 1998?
December 17th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
For what it’s worth…
Indy tanked last year, and they’re doing ok.
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Indy was a 10 win team for a decade with at least a Hall of Famer or two on it. We are a 10 loss team for a decade. There’s a difference.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
He is not an NFL RB. Great gunner though.
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I think he can be an explosive NFL RB, even if it’s not in an every down capacity.
His blocking stinks. But the speed, fluidity and elusiveness in the open field are spectacular.
Can be a game changer if utilized correctly.
Barring injury, will go on to have success elsewhere.
Unlike your boy Slowlando GreenBeanie, who isn’t even a good ‘gunner’.
FREE TAIWAN !
SCRAP KRAPP !
December 17th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
The media giving this staff an “A” for coaching is quite laughable. Of course, they gave them a “B” against the Donkos. You mediots can remove your tongues from T!ts’s backside anytime now.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Da doesnt compare with Hue in any way, but I guess you like the current staff and how they’ve performed, have fun with that.
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Allen is going to be back next year. The team has played hard now at the end of the year. Let’s see how this thing goes next year and then we can compare it to what a loser Jackson was.
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Another asinine statement, I agree DA will be back but why should he? and if Hue is a loser after 1 8-8 season what is DA when he finishes 4-12?
December 17th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
He is not an NFL RB. Great gunner though.
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I think he can be an explosive NFL RB, even if it’s not in an every down capacity.
His blocking stinks. But the speed, fluidity and elusiveness in the open field are spectacular.
Can be a game changer if utilized correctly.
Barring injury, will go on to have success elsewhere.
Unlike your boy Slowlando GreenBeanie, who isn’t even a good ‘gunner’.
FREE TAIWAN !
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Yup, you think the Saints & Chargers took Darren Sproles & had him pass block all day?
December 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Between 1998 and 2009, the Packers drafted ZERO O-linemen in the 1st round.
They won a boatload of games and a Super Bowl despite that.
Why? Some guys named Favre and Rodgers.
QB league. Simple.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Another asinine statement, I agree DA will be back but why should he? and if Hue is a loser after 1 8-8 season what is DA when he finishes 4-12?
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“different circumstance”-Dennis Allen December 2012
December 17th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Raiders handily beat a team late in the season. That is a good sign I don’t care who the opponent is. And Hue Jackson never did that.
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what an idiotic statement.
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Why?
Don’t you remember how Hue’s team tanked in the last four games?
December 17th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Do you “FANS” know HOW MANY TIMES you’ve said:
“(cruddy player x) is SO GOOD! Can’t believe we don’t use him. Just watch he’ll go somewhere else and flourish!”
Cruddy player x leaves Oakland, crickets to his career.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Fire Da now!
December 17th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
I thought you niners and broncos trolls only came around when the Raiders lost.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Yes, it HAS been explained.
Taiwan Jones sucks in practice. Struggles picking up blitzes, putting QB health in jeopardy.
Maybe he doesn’t work hard enough.
Possibility A) MASS CONSPIRACY!
Possibility B) Taiwan is the 4th best RB on our team, and the other 3 need/deserve PT.
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LOL.
Two thirds of the people posting on here are going with A.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Another asinine statement, I agree DA will be back but why should he? and if Hue is a loser after 1 8-8 season what is DA when he finishes 4-12?
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If Allen was fired right now, he would have his choice of positions both in the league and in the NCAA. And I mean choice positions. Hue Jackson was handed a broom and told to sweep up after the players leave for the evening. What does that tell you?
December 17th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Eastoak
DA will be back because his roster is worthy of 5-11, just like Vegas predicted.
Firing coaches after a year or two leads to WORSE coaches coming here, because no good coach comes to situations where coaches are NOT given a couple years to implement systems and roster changes.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Between 1998 and 2009, the Packers drafted ZERO O-linemen in the 1st round.
They won a boatload of games and a Super Bowl despite that.
Why? Some guys named Favre and Rodgers.
QB league. Simple.
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they dont HAVE TO BE 1st rd picks for them to be great olinemen, and GB has had great olinemen for years.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Raiders handily beat a team late in the season. That is a good sign I don’t care who the opponent is. And Hue Jackson never did that.
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Hue Jackson’s Raiders beat the 7-9 Chiefs in Kansas City last year in Week 16.
Dennis beat a 2-12 Chief team in Oakland.
Those are facts. How and why they beat them are statements.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
Why?
Don’t you remember how Hue’s team tanked in the last four games?
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They have selective memory syndrome. They also conveniently remember that the Raiders were #10 in yardage last season, but can never seem to remember that they were #16 in scoring.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Leave it to these blog idiots and DA is bill walsh coaching the 0-16 lions… This team is better than 4-12 im just sure the coachings not. Only a blind retard couldnt see DA is a joke.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Why are some fans still going on and on about Hue?
He’s gone. He’s not coming back.
He’s busy now, anyway. He scored that highly coveted assistant special teams gig in Cincy.
I have NO idea how they landed him, I’m sure the competition for his services was fierce.
“OK…. Listen up!! I’m not gonna say it again! Heels on the 10… If it’s not in front of you, let it go!! Got it??”
Sheer genius. Years ahead of his time….
December 17th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Raiders handily beat a team late in the season. That is a good sign I don’t care who the opponent is. And Hue Jackson never did that.
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what an idiotic statement.
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Why?
Don’t you remember how Hue’s team tanked in the last four games?
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Actually, Hue’s team beat the 7-9 Chiefs in Kansas City in Week 16.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Another asinine statement, I agree DA will be back but why should he? and if Hue is a loser after 1 8-8 season what is DA when he finishes 4-12?
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If Allen was fired right now, he would have his choice of positions both in the league and in the NCAA. And I mean choice positions. Hue Jackson was handed a broom and told to sweep up after the players leave for the evening. What does that tell you?
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It tells me you are offering up lame excuses why DA sucked, and HIS D which is his calling card sucks also.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
My grades for the meaningless junk game of the week. And I hope the locker room wasn’t to giddy. After all, KC is beyond bad. But if they were giddy, I guess, it’s cause they new knew they weren’t getting canned after the game. None the less, here goes.
Raider shut out worst door mat team in NFL: C-
Offense cannot score a TD but musters 5 lonely FGs’: D
Coaching. Any other club puts up 45 plus points. Players didn’t need the DC to roll a shut out, and special teams hurt: D
Overall coaching: Pathetic. That’s right.
Player performance: Not bad, considering the OC and DC.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Conspiracies are fun to talk about though.
I want to see Pryor get some more reps these next two weeks. It is “exciting” in a sense to watch; always with a new QB. But he does have to do something with them of course.
You can’t fully evaluate the other 10 players on offense with a crappy QB.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Another asinine statement, I agree DA will be back but why should he? and if Hue is a loser after 1 8-8 season what is DA when he finishes 4-12?
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“different circumstance”-Dennis Allen December 2012
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Can you believe this lame excuse?
December 17th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Eastoaklandraider
Hubris and DA are both losers.
Want even more of a description?
Both Hue Jackson and Dennis Allen are pieces of poo (coaching wise).
Dennis has more flies on him than the coaching turd Hue was.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
LOL.
Two thirds of the people posting on here are going with A.
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Of course they are going with the conspiracy theory. They also believe that the school and theater shootings are part of a vast conspiracy connected to the LIBOR scandal. We’re being overrun by idiots.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Dennis Allen gets a Pass for having to Coach Al Davis players. This pass however does not apply to any previous coach.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Firing coaches after a year or two leads to WORSE coaches coming here, because no good coach comes to situations where coaches are NOT given a couple years to implement systems and roster changes
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Exactly! That’s why we got stuck with Tits!
December 17th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
“It’s tough to shut out anybody in this league,’’ Allen said. “For us to go out there and do that _ it’s the first time it’s been done in this organization for 10 years _ I think that was critical for our defense.’’
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10 years!!!!!!!
Progress people
December 17th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Too bad the NFL can’t give us 10 day advantage to prepare for our opponent. It’s the only time this staff has looked somewhat good.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Firing coaches after a year or two leads to WORSE coaches coming here, because no good coach comes to situations where coaches are NOT given a couple years to implement systems and roster changes
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Exactly! That’s why we got stuck with Tits!
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Of course every coach in the League is going to want to go to a place that where no matter how much you fail, you’ll still have a job. That’s why we need to keep DA, so that in the future, we can get a top coaching canidate that will choose the Raiders for lack of pressure to win. Duh!
December 17th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Even though I know some of you wont give honest ansewrs I pose these simple questions, and they all have simple answers.
Why did we lose the Buff game?
Why did we lose the 2nd Den game?
Why did we lose the Det game?
Why did we lose the 2nd SD game?
December 17th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
EpaVet Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Raiders handily beat a team late in the season. That is a good sign I don’t care who the opponent is. And Hue Jackson never did that.
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what an idiotic statement.
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Why?
Don’t you remember how Hue’s team tanked in the last four games?
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Actually, Hue’s team beat the 7-9 Chiefs in Kansas City in Week 16.
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Man, you’re fuk’n picky.
OK.
Hue’s team tanked in four of the last five games.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Firing coaches after a year or two leads to WORSE coaches coming here, because no good coach comes to situations where coaches are NOT given a couple years to implement systems and roster changes
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Exactly! That’s why we got stuck with Tits!
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Of course every coach in the League is going to want to go to a place that where no matter how much you fail, you’ll still have a job. That’s why we need to keep DA, so that in the future, we can get a top coaching canidate that will choose the Raiders for lack of pressure to win. Duh!
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I never saw that way. Hey, you can get your buddies prime seats too when there are only 20,000 fans around.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
– Defensive end Andre Carter had his second sack and played 32 of 44 snaps, his highest percentage of the season. He was credited with five quarterback hits by the coaching staff.
Carter joined the Raiders Sept. 26 as a free agent after a Pro Bowl season with the Patriots last season that ended with a torn quadriceps that required surgery.
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Evaluating a former Pro Bowl player as the season progresses. That’s what it is about.
But I am sure there are some pinheads in here who would rather have kept Bruce Campbell, switch him to DE and play him ahead of Andre Carter.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Lmao @ seymour bush saying teams would be rushing to sign DA if he was.fired…. Like I said only “3rd world idiots” believe in this clown. I dont recall anyone in a rush to sign Da until mclip fkd us and signed this circus clown. Lol nobody wants Da as hc besides the 3rd world idiots on this blog. Taking a 8-8 team to 4-12 instills concidence in no one. What is he going to do? Talk up his 3 wins over the 2 worse teams in the league and a depleted pittsburg team? Lol No ones salivating at the idea of signing DA as a hc trust me.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Even though I know some of you wont give honest ansewrs I pose these simple questions, and they all have simple answers.
Why did we lose the Buff game?
Why did we lose the 2nd Den game?
Why did we lose the Det game?
Why did we lose the 2nd SD game?
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D-Fence..D-Fence..D-Fence
December 17th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
KC = Worst team beyond bad in the NFL. Don’t get to high off this meaningless win.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Hey Hue Haters,
If Hue had to coach the last 5 games against a team like the 2-14 Chiefs, what do you think his record would have been…Also, keep in mind that this division is probably gonna produce 3 teams with a top 10 overall pick and Tits will not have a winning record against it.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Eastoaklandraider
Many will pinpoint the D, but, Hubris was the head honcho, so that is where the ax falls, whether you like it or not.
Yes, Chuck B wasn’t his choice as D-coordinator, but, he had to role with it. But when Big Al died and he stood pat with Chuck B, he can only look at himself as the reason for the debacle.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
“It’s tough to shut out anybody in this league,’’ Allen said. “For us to go out there and do that _ it’s the first time it’s been done in this organization for 10 years _ I think that was critical for our defense.’’
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10 years!!!!!!!
Progress people
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Please KC could have kicked FG’s on 2 occasions.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says: December 17th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Even though I know some of you wont give honest ansewrs I pose these simple questions, and they all have simple answers.
Why did we lose the Buff game?
Why did we lose the 2nd Den game?
Why did we lose the Det game?
Why did we lose the 2nd SD game?
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Defense
December 17th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Lmao @ seymour bush saying teams would be rushing to sign DA if he was.fired….
December 17th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp
Loved Hubris when he was Raiders coach.
Now that he’s no longer part of Oakland, you damn right I hate his guts. He is with another team. No way I’m going to give him love now he’s no longer a Raider.
Giving him love now is akin to giving Shanahan love.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Why did we lose the Buff game?
Why did we lose the 2nd Den game?
Why did we lose the Det game?
Why did we lose the 2nd SD game?
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Because we failed equally offensively and defensively in the 2nd half of those games.
Turnovers and three and outs offensively, 97 yard drives and boneheaded drive-extending penalties defensively.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
346.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Purv,..seeing how you have interest in me I will clue you in,..Im at every game,..row 1 seats, I have pregame sideline on the field access,…and yes Im friends with the CEO…anything else you need?
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Nice and you think your someone important? haha
Tell your CEO friend that if they want to win and turn this organization around and sell season tickets and make money, they should do whatever it takes to bring Jon Gruden back.
Otherwise, it’s just a waste of time with DA and this crappy coordinators and coaching staff.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Joe Billy Bob Sackson Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Lmao @ seymour bush saying teams would be rushing to sign DA if he was.fired….
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Hell, he may just have to open a B&B after a year like this.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
JFB, didn’t you make some predictions about the Raid offense and scoring improving under Krapp ?
Change your mind about Krapp ?
Want him back in 2013 ?
Still got that seat reserved for you, bud.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Eastoaklandraider
Many will pinpoint the D, but, Hubris was the head honcho, so that is where the ax falls, whether you like it or not.
Yes, Chuck B wasn’t his choice as D-coordinator, but, he had to role with it. But when Big Al died and he stood pat with Chuck B, he can only look at himself as the reason for the debacle.
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You cant hire a new DC mid season and teach a new philosophy. Hue figured he would be here next year and bring someone new then.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Impossible for hue to create an entirely new defense midway into the season. Who was he going to hire 5 games in? 3rd word idiots say anything. Hue stuck with chuck because he was stuck with chuck there was no one else. All assistants were signed.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Eastoaklandraider
Many will pinpoint the D, but, Hubris was the head honcho, so that is where the ax falls, whether you like it or not.
Yes, Chuck B wasn’t his choice as D-coordinator, but, he had to role with it. But when Big Al died and he stood pat with Chuck B, he can only look at himself as the reason for the debacle.
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You cant hire a new DC mid season and teach a new philosophy. Hue figured he would be here next year and bring someone new then.
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I wouldn’t have blamed Hue for canning him at Al’s funeral. Knapp should’ve been gone in week 2
December 17th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Lmao @ seymour bush saying teams would be rushing to sign DA if he was.fired…. Like I said only “3rd world idiots” believe in this clown. I dont recall anyone in a rush to sign Da until mclip fkd us and signed this circus clown. Lol nobody wants Da as hc besides the 3rd world idiots on this blog. Taking a 8-8 team to 4-12 instills concidence in no one. What is he going to do? Talk up his 3 wins over the 2 worse teams in the league and a depleted pittsburg team? Lol No ones salivating at the idea of signing DA as a hc trust me.
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Truth!
December 17th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
DA being proud of shutting out the one team that is worth than his team.
I will give them props for not letting Charles go off though. KC stinks.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Eastoaklandraider
Yep, can’t can a coach midseason and teach a new philosophy… but so many want that to happen with Knapp. Get rid of him and let Saunders take over O.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
You clowns are getting stupider and stupider as the day goes on. Successful people like John Fox and Reggie McKenzie and Sean Payton have signed on to Dennis Allen. The Cincy Bungholes employ Jackson and his broom and mop. And they are worse this year than last year when they made the playoffs. And Jackson’s units keep getting roasted. LMFAO
December 17th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
It’s only ever too late to correct mistakes if you don’t do it as soon as you recognize it.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
And that makes Hubris’ situation worse…
“No one will take DA after taking an 8-8 team to 4-12″.
Hue didn’t even get a sniff at another prominent coaching gig when he was axed by Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie.
Like I said, loved Hue when he was here.
Hate him now that he’s no longer part of the organization.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
346.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Purv,..seeing how you have interest in me I will clue you in,..Im at every game,..row 1 seats, I have pregame sideline on the field access,…and yes Im friends with the CEO…anything else you need?
^^^^^^^^
Nice and you think your someone important? haha
Tell your CEO friend that if they want to win and turn this organization around and sell season tickets and make money, they should do whatever it takes to bring Jon Gruden back.
Otherwise, it’s just a waste of time with DA and this crappy coordinators and coaching staff.
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Again…Truth!
December 17th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
Many will pinpoint the D, but, Hubris was the head honcho, so that is where the ax falls, whether you like it or not.
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No, he was the head bully builder. And bully they did. Bullied their way to epic records in penalties and penalty yardage.
That guy was a joke. He’ll never be an NFL head coach again. Book it.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Do the Raiders sign Dmitri Patterson???
December 17th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Impossible for hue to create an entirely new defense midway into the season.
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Jackson Also didn’t score any second half points for almost half the season. And was a coin flip away from ending the season 0-5. You may not know this but going O for with the playoffs on the line is not very good.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says: December 17th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Jackasspuria Says: December 17th, 2012 at 3:40 pm Eastoaklandraider
Many will pinpoint the D, but, Hubris was the head honcho, so that is where the ax falls, whether you like it or not.
Yes, Chuck B wasn’t his choice as D-coordinator, but, he had to role with it. But when Big Al died and he stood pat with Chuck B, he can only look at himself as the reason for the debacle. —————-
You cant hire a new DC mid season and teach a new philosophy. Hue figured he would be here next year and bring someone new then.
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East oak its pointless trying to explain logic to a 3rd world idiot, its not in their genetics to comprehend. Its a waste of time even explaining. 8-8 is failure and unacceptable but 4-12 with multiple blowout losses and regression is ok…. Stupidity at its finest.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Why did we lose the Buff game?
Why did we lose the 2nd Den game?
Why did we lose the Det game?
Why did we lose the 2nd SD game?
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Because we failed equally offensively and defensively in the 2nd half of those games.
Turnovers and three and outs offensively, 97 yard drives and boneheaded drive-extending penalties defensively.
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See I knew someone would give an asinine answer. The reason is the defense and its clear cut. In most of those games all we needed was 1 stop how does that fall on the offense? 1 STOP!!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
It’s only ever too late to correct mistakes if you don’t do it as soon as you recognize it.
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Correct! And thankfully the Raiders did that at the end of the 2011 season!
December 17th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
It’s only ever too late to correct mistakes if you don’t do it as soon as you recognize it.
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Correct! And thankfully the Raiders did that at the end of the 2011 season!
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Well they didn’t exactly correct anything.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RM99,
Prediction business didn’t go so hot this season, but I get the upcoming draft to redeem myself.
Not sure either way on Knapp. If they fired him, I wouldn’t shed a tear, and if they bring him back, expect the predictions to crank up again.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Jackie Bibby
Never said DA was OK.
Both he and Hubris are worthless and losers.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
Many will pinpoint the D, but, Hubris was the head honcho, so that is where the ax falls, whether you like it or not.
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No, he was the head bully builder. And bully they did. Bullied their way to epic records in penalties and penalty yardage.
That guy was a joke. He’ll never be an NFL head coach again. Book it.
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Thank you. The guy was a complete utter joke. But some clowns here still don’t get the joke. Sad really…..
December 17th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says: December 17th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Jackasspuria Says: December 17th, 2012 at 3:40 pm Eastoaklandraider
Many will pinpoint the D, but, Hubris was the head honcho, so that is where the ax falls, whether you like it or not.
Yes, Chuck B wasn’t his choice as D-coordinator, but, he had to role with it. But when Big Al died and he stood pat with Chuck B, he can only look at himself as the reason for the debacle. —————-
You cant hire a new DC mid season and teach a new philosophy. Hue figured he would be here next year and bring someone new then.
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East oak its pointless trying to explain logic to a 3rd world idiot, its not in their genetics to comprehend. Its a waste of time even explaining. 8-8 is failure and unacceptable but 4-12 with multiple blowout losses and regression is ok…. Stupidity at its finest.
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And frustrating as hell, thats why we are classified as the dumbest fans.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
Many will pinpoint the D, but, Hubris was the head honcho, so that is where the ax falls, whether you like it or not.
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No, he was the head bully builder. And bully they did. Bullied their way to epic records in penalties and penalty yardage.
That guy was a joke. He’ll never be an NFL head coach again. Book it.
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Yes we’ve from a bully head coach to a nerd that gets his ass kicked on a regular basis but asks for more.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
does anyone else find it funny that the raiders have switchedvack to press man?…lol this staff is the freaking joke of the league…
December 17th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
In most of those games all we needed was 1 stop how does that fall on the offense? 1 STOP!!!!
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In every one of those games but the SD game, the one stop was preceeded by needing one first down.
Hell, in the Detroit game, the defense outscored the offense in the 2nd half.
Buffalo we came out swinging in the second half with two 3 and outs and a lost fumble.
Offense could have saved the day, it didn’t and then the defense failed us.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Joe Billy Bob Sackson Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
KC = Worst team beyond bad in the NFL. Don’t get to high off this meaningless win.
Well true, but I would rather have a team close out the season with three straight impressive wins than close it out reeling and getting rewarded with the number one pick.
Especially this year with a down draft.
You should be cheering for continued improvement, not questioning it.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
I dont argue with fools so if I ignore ones post the world knows why… Fire DA Now!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
McClain is only one man but we sure stopped the KC runing game yesterday and coming in they were the 5th best offensive running team.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
You clowns are getting stupider and stupider as the day goes on. Successful people like John Fox and Reggie McKenzie and Sean Payton have signed on to Dennis Allen. The Cincy Bungholes employ Jackson and his broom and mop. And they are worse this year than last year when they made the playoffs. And Jackson’s units keep getting roasted. LMFAO
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Since when is Reggie Mckenzie and John Fox successful?
Brett Farve and Aaron Rodgers made Green Bay competitive.
Peyton Manning is taking the Broncos to the playoffs, not John Fox.
I’ll give you Sean Payton.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Hue 8-8 in hist 1st 2 years(Papa stated he was the real coach in 2010)…The same record Gruden put up in his first 2 years. Both walked into situations where the previous Head coach had accumulated double-digit losses.
Yet, Tits walks in here after 2 back-to-back 8-8 seasons, a GM that isn’t dying, sets Raider records for defensive futility(this from a Defensive-minded coach) and fans think this guy is more deserving of the Head Coach than Hue.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Mark Davis won’t fire Reggie McKenzie or Dennis Allen, Jackie Bibby.
He’ll bring them back next season.
Many here want DA and McKenzie gone, but, that requires competence.
Mark Davis doesn’t have that quality.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
lol…reggie mck successful?…4-14 is success daym…
December 17th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Vegas picked Raiders like 5-11 this year.
I picked them 6-10.
Nothing that crazy is going on here. This roster was 5-11 worthy just like the “great” John Fox’s last Carolina roster was 4-12 worthy before he got fired.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Allen said a couple of days ago that the Raiders need to stop drafting the best athlete and start drafting the best football players and that’s what we’re going to do in the future.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
took a picture of m davis…the guy looks like an oompa loompa!
December 17th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp
After decades of watching the Raiders organization, I’ve come to realize one thing — fans don’t matter.
Sure, we can pine on and on about why did they fire this coach, should have kept this coach, should have hired this guy.
But in the end, we have no control.
So I roll with the punches and the decision the organization makes.
Do I like what Hubris did? Yes.
Do I like what DA is doing? No.
But, I don’t make the call on who coaches the team.
I just have to live with what Mark Davis and others decide, for better or worse.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says: December 17th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Hue 8-8 in hist 1st 2 years(Papa stated he was the real coach in 2010)…The same record Gruden put up in his first 2 years. Both walked into situations where the previous Head coach had accumulated double-digit losses.
Yet, Tits walks in here after 2 back-to-back 8-8 seasons, a GM that isn’t dying, sets Raider records for defensive futility(this from a Defensive-minded coach) and fans think this guy is more deserving of the Head Coach than Hue.
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Chuurch!
December 17th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Civilian
not sure if you’re open to new ideas or changing your paradigm.
But just in case: What we’re saying is that PLAYERS win games (Manning) not coaches (Fox 4-12 in Carolina with no QBs).
The ROSTER has been the problem for the last 10 years, not the head coaches.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
allen is drafting players now? yeah we’re fvcked…
December 17th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
Many will pinpoint the D, but, Hubris was the head honcho, so that is where the ax falls, whether you like it or not.
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No, he was the head bully builder. And bully they did. Bullied their way to epic records in penalties and penalty yardage.
That guy was a joke. He’ll never be an NFL head coach again. Book it.
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Thank you. The guy was a complete utter joke. But some clowns here still don’t get the joke. Sad really…..
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And what records did we set this year? Hmmm, most points given up EVER, most points EVER given up in a 2 game span, Most rushing yards EVER given up by a rookie, and all this with a Defensive minded HC, now that is a joke. Give me the penalties Raiders have won with those before but not with terrible record setting defensive performances.
December 17th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Oakglen, a lot of these people are trolls.
Ignore them.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Jackasspuria Says: December 17th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Mark Davis won’t fire Reggie McKenzie or Dennis Allen, Jackie Bibby.
He’ll bring them back next season.
Many here want DA and McKenzie gone, but, that requires competence.
Mark Davis doesn’t have that quality.
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You may be right but we will see.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Vegas picked Raiders like 5-11 this year.
I picked them 6-10.
Nothing that crazy is going on here. This roster was 5-11 worthy just like the “great” John Fox’s last Carolina roster was 4-12 worthy before he got fired.
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What did Vegas post for us last year? I would like to see that Alex.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
Many will pinpoint the D, but, Hubris was the head honcho, so that is where the ax falls, whether you like it or not.
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No, he was the head bully builder. And bully they did. Bullied their way to epic records in penalties and penalty yardage.
That guy was a joke. He’ll never be an NFL head coach again. Book it.
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He sure didn’t get a head coaching job when he left.
He sure didn’t get an offensive coordinator job when he left.
Hue was out of his depth as a head coach but passable as an OC.
Bottom line? He left so he can get fuk’n lost.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
Many will pinpoint the D, but, Hubris was the head honcho, so that is where the ax falls, whether you like it or not.
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No, he was the head bully builder. And bully they did. Bullied their way to epic records in penalties and penalty yardage.
That guy was a joke. He’ll never be an NFL head coach again. Book it.
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Thank you. The guy was a complete utter joke. But some clowns here still don’t get the joke. Sad really…..
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He deserves another OC job. And will prolly get one next season. And McF will prolly wish for a trade there the following day.
The play yesterday where they stunted to the left side to put McF into open space for 15 yards should have been happening 4-5 times a games minimum. Instead it was the first time all season. Hue knew how to get McF in open spaces. Knapp sends McF up the gut. Goodson or Reece up the gut is a good play. McF needs to get his body moving to be effective.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
So my Mets traded the Cy Young award winner ?
Dickey was a great story.
Don’t know what the Mets got in return but I like the idea of accumulating prospects and trying to build that way.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Jackie Bibby
And while many point fingers at DA and/or Reggie McKenzie for the Raiders fall, I point it to Mark Davis.
He is the one who hired McKenzie.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Dennis Allen gets a Pass for having to Coach Al Davis players. This pass however does not apply to any previous coach.
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Oooh. Good one.
You forget that Reggie and DA inherited the worst situation in the history of sports….a team with a .500 record.
A monumental mess of epic proportions. Imagine the challenge of taking over a team that was a defensive stop from winning the division.
Never before in sports history has a new GM and HC had such a challenge.
It’s amazing that we’ve won as many games as we have, especially since the Raiders are the first team in sports history to have some salary cap issues and some players with larger contracts than what they deserve.
This is like re-building the pyramids.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
RAIDERMAN99
Read the Mets got the Blue Jays’ top catching prospect among others.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
One way to become a consistent winner: Play KC or JAX every week. Otherwise, they’re screwed.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says: December 17th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
allen is drafting players now? yeah we’re fvcked…
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Lmao
December 17th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Civilian
not sure if you’re open to new ideas or changing your paradigm.
But just in case: What we’re saying is that PLAYERS win games (Manning) not coaches (Fox 4-12 in Carolina with no QBs).
The ROSTER has been the problem for the last 10 years, not the head coaches.
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You’re right again.
Al loaded the team with a lot of guys who are fast and big but who can’t play football.
Now Marcel Reece: That guy can play football. Seems like sometimes he can play any position.
He’s the Scutaro of the NFL.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
In most of those games all we needed was 1 stop how does that fall on the offense? 1 STOP!!!!
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In every one of those games but the SD game, the one stop was preceeded by needing one first down.
Hell, in the Detroit game, the defense outscored the offense in the 2nd half.
Buffalo we came out swinging in the second half with two 3 and outs and a lost fumble.
Offense could have saved the day, it didn’t and then the defense failed us.
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C’mon JFB when all the chips were down and we were ahead and all we needed was 1 stop it falls on the D, I dont care what happened before that because we were still winning.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
just watched dmcs 15 yard run….led by a pulling guard and myers at fb…no zone sheyit there if streater was a better blocker thats to the house…
December 17th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
So my Mets traded the Cy Young award winner ?
Dickey was a great story.
Don’t know what the Mets got in return but I like the idea of accumulating prospects and trying to build that way.
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You’re a Mets fan 99?
And I thought you had good judgement some of the time.
The Mets always get a good seat to watch the Giants play in the World Series.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
DJ Johnny
While the exhibition in futility that has became the Raiders now — what ever the reason as many of us have debated here — I can see things from Reggie McKenzie’s point of view — for better or worse.
He has said many times on the record when Hue was axed (whether that was Mark Davis’ or McKenzie’s call, we may never know the exact truth) McKenzie wanted his own guy.
And McKenzie also says this is ‘my’ football team.
He’s building the team in the image he wants.
He is far from done and there have been embarrassing and infuriating results because of it.
Davis gets the ultimate call on whether Reggie stays or goes, but, he’s doing things his way, the way he wants.
Can’t fault McKenzie for that.
Many of us, if given the GM job would do the same — do it our way. Whether that was keeping Hue and giving him a D-coordinator of his choice or going radical and changing the entire landscape.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
One of you guys need to cntact ESPN and all the other sports sites. They keep insisting that the Raiders were 8-8..not only last yr. but thhe yr. before too.
I keep hearing it “wasn’t real” and it was a “mirage” so I can’t believe they keep saying we were 8-8 those yr’s.
I still can’t find any sites that put an asterisk next to the standings either for having a weak schedule.
Maybe it’s becuz they’d have to do that for about 16 other teams as well.
Oh well I’ll keep checking.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Hey how about franchising Lechler? If we have to pay him the the average of the top 5 punters, it would probably be a pay cut for him.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Ottocrat
So true!
Love Shane. He’s a boomer man.
But, writing is on the wall for his exit.
Last year of contract and McKenzie IRed his replacement — Marquette King.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Vegas picked Raiders like 5-11 this year.
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This is at least the third time you’ve posted this erroneous garbage.
Vegas had us pegged at 7 wins.
Quit making stuff up.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Jackasspuria Says: December 17th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Jackie Bibby
And while many point fingers at DA and/or Reggie McKenzie for the Raiders fall, I point it to Mark Davis.
He is the one who hired McKenzie.
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True… I knew we were in trouble with mark choosing the gm because his azz cant even choose a proper haircut let alone a gm. Just look at his hiring of reggie, he picked the first guy interviewed, that haircut he has looks like the first 1 he’d seen on the wall at the barbershop as a kid and said, “i want that 1.”
December 17th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
just watched dmcs 15 yard run….led by a pulling guard and myers at fb…no zone sheyit there if streater was a better blocker thats to the house…
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Thats a play that should happen ALL THE TIME.
If Knapp really wants to send a player up the gut (his favorite play) he should split Reece and McF… and then either send Reece up the gut or play action toss off of it to McF.
Or play action pass by CP, of course.
Knapp was the worst possible hire by Allen.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
“And what records did we set this year? Hmmm, most points given up EVER, most points EVER given up in a 2 game span, Most rushing yards EVER given up by a rookie…”
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These seem so trivial and unimportant when looking at a 3-year plan of turning an entire franchise (scouting, free agency, culture, draft philosophy, money spent) around.
Quit focusing on petty, trivial, emotional, pointless tiny things that don’t matter 1 week later. Winning organizations have big-picture mentality to win consistently over long hauls of time.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
The lesson here with the Hue haters is, be careful what you wish for.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
TP got 3 plays?
What the hell is that crap? DA needs to be fired.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
122,
I know Jack. I’m just being a smart alek.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RaidO Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
TP got 3 plays?
What the hell is that crap? DA needs to be fired.
\>>>>
Why does he MERIT more?
Be specific.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
the brilliant minds of our raider fan “scouts”:
“Thats a play that should happen ALL THE TIME.”
Because defenses wouldn’t, I dunno, adjust or anything.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Vegas had us pegged at 7 wins.
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Yes he did. Personally I thought it was going to be 8-8 but that was before they started moving players around on the offensive line.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
RaidO
Very disappointing to see Terrelle Pryor get one series.
Raiders have very little to gain and lose with last two games.
I would start Pryor on Sunday against Carolina so those that watch the game can see Pryor vs. Newton.
Whether he succeeds or fails, it doesn’t matter.
I just want Pryor to be given an ample chance to do so.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
“And what records did we set this year? Hmmm, most points given up EVER, most points EVER given up in a 2 game span, Most rushing yards EVER given up by a rookie…”
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These seem so trivial and unimportant when looking at a 3-year plan of turning an entire franchise (scouting, free agency, culture, draft philosophy, money spent) around.
Quit focusing on petty, trivial, emotional, pointless tiny things that don’t matter 1 week later. Winning organizations have big-picture mentality to win consistently over long hauls of time.
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What!!! whatever guy i’m not even gonna dignify that comment with a response, but I would like to know what Vegas said our record would be in 2011.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
I wonder if Lions’ fans make a big deal out of not seeing their THIRD-STRING QB in a lost season.
NFL coaches get a read on their players during pre-season, summer, and season practices/scout team.
Pryor sucks at passing accurately. Get over it.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
DJ Johnny
I hear you man.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
they adjusted to zbs just fine alex…
December 17th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
tp needs to play
leinert needs to play
hopefully one can rid us of cp’s contract
will streater and criner be #1 and #2 next year?
is DHB gone?
is mitchell>branch?
is lechler gone?
December 17th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
eastoak
you can’t respond to someone by saying you’re not going to respond to them
if you want to know something, go look it up.
Kinda the information age and all that.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Alex7
Pryor can be terrible, ok, or good.
I just want the Raiders give him a chance to succeed or fail on epic proportions.
That way, we can have an answer once and for all and open or close the book on Pryor.
The Raiders have very little to gain or lose last two games.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
I agree Al. ZBS isn’t the problem. Pretty much ANY NFL-worthy system can work if taught correctly and the proper players are eventually brought in.
Like mixed coverages in pass D
December 17th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
lmao at alex…you like this defense? …they have been playing man…lmao…
December 17th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Gdog Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RaidO Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
TP got 3 plays?
What the hell is that crap? DA needs to be fired.
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Why does he MERIT more?
Be specific.
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We do not need to see Palmer anymore. Season is way OVER. We all need to see what TP can do. Especially with all these other young QB’s getting in. Foles, Cousins, Newton, Tannehill, Kaepernick, etc, etc
December 17th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Jack
why does the “chance” only count if it’s in a game?
Do all NFL QBs “OWE” their 3rd-string QBs live-game chances when the coaches can tell by the practice, college, pre-season, and scout-team tape that the QB isn’t very good?
You’re supposed to perform well in practices and college to be given game-day time in the NFL. Pryor hasn’t.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp
After decades of watching the Raiders organization, I’ve come to realize one thing — fans don’t matter.
Sure, we can pine on and on about why did they fire this coach, should have kept this coach, should have hired this guy.
But in the end, we have no control.
So I roll with the punches and the decision the organization makes.
Do I like what Hubris did? Yes.
Do I like what DA is doing? No.
But, I don’t make the call on who coaches the team.
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I see what you’re saying, but isn’t that the purpose of this board is to air our grievances or appreciation(Not much for me) of the team?
December 17th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Vegas had us pegged at 7 wins.
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Yes he did. Personally I thought it was going to be 8-8 but that was before they started moving players around on the offensive line.
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Not talking about the poster JFB or Vegas Raider.
Talking about the Las Vegas betting line for Raider wins in 2012.
That number was 7.
Not 5 like Alex continuously claims.
He’s making that up.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
The lesson here with the Hue haters is, be careful what you wish for.
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Holla!
December 17th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp
True, true.
And I love discussions.
Even heated ones.
Shows we care for the organization.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Foles and Cousins got in because of injuries and because they were legit NFL QB prospects.
The other guys got in because they were high draft picks.
Pryor was none of the above.
Make him earn it in practice? Novel concept? Coaches don’t like what they see?
December 17th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
“And what records did we set this year? Hmmm, most points given up EVER, most points EVER given up in a 2 game span, Most rushing yards EVER given up by a rookie…”
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These seem so trivial and unimportant when looking at a 3-year plan of turning an entire franchise (scouting, free agency, culture, draft philosophy, money spent) around.
Quit focusing on petty, trivial, emotional, pointless tiny things that don’t matter 1 week later. Winning organizations have big-picture mentality to win consistently over long hauls of time.
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What!!! whatever guy i’m not even gonna dignify that comment with a response, but I would like to know what Vegas said our record would be in 2011.
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I’ll dignify it. He speaks the truth.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Jack
why does the “chance” only count if it’s in a game?
Do all NFL QBs “OWE” their 3rd-string QBs live-game chances when the coaches can tell by the practice, college, pre-season, and scout-team tape that the QB isn’t very good?
You’re supposed to perform well in practices and college to be given game-day time in the NFL. Pryor hasn’t.
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TP looked ok in Preseason. Good enough to close out this crappy season.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Again, simple question:
why is Pryor more entitled than every other 3rd string QB who wants game-day reps?
Lions 3rd-stringer? Browns? Eagles? Rams?
NFL people have looked at Pryor and deemed him not the future QB of the Raiders. That’s ok.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
“And what records did we set this year? Hmmm, most points given up EVER, most points EVER given up in a 2 game span, Most rushing yards EVER given up by a rookie…”
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These seem so trivial and unimportant when looking at a 3-year plan of turning an entire franchise (scouting, free agency, culture, draft philosophy, money spent) around.
Quit focusing on petty, trivial, emotional, pointless tiny things that don’t matter 1 week later. Winning organizations have big-picture mentality to win consistently over long hauls of time.
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LOL! Go watch Tits’s PC today. He constantly harps about the shutout being the 1st one in 10 years, the lowest amount of yards given up since 75(?) and how they shut down their running game led by Charles. He SEEMS like the one that is focusing on historical statistics against a 2-14 team. He acts like we just shut down the 99 Rams offense.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Alex7
Indeed, practice is where champions are made.
I guess I’m in the camp of I know what Carson Palmer brings to the table — as a fan. I know what Matt Leinart brings the table — as a fan.
With that in mind, Pryor brings intrigue and mystery because I have not seen him in a substantial role against starting-caliber NFL players. Preseason games are so-so with so many fringe talents trying to land a job.
I watched Pryor live when he played at Ohio State and I have concerns in terms of his accuracy.
But, I would like to see if he can succeed or fail in the big league.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Gdog Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RaidO Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
TP got 3 plays?
What the hell is that crap? DA needs to be fired.
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Why does he MERIT more?
Be specific.
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Because we’re looking at a top 5 pick, gotta know what you have in our QB project in case you might want to use the top pick on one.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
TP looked ok in Preseason. Good enough to close out this crappy season.
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Yup
December 17th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Civilian
you and I agree those stats by DA are also trivial. But press asks questions and wants SOMETHING to keep writing about. But yes, trivial just like the negative stats in a huge transition year are trivial.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
TP looked scared in pre-season, happy feet, inaccurate throws, run-first/throw second, a few good deep throws on a roll out and off-balance pocket throw.
Nothing other 3rd-stringers didn’t also accomplish.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
The Judge
according to the coaches, they ALREADY KNOW what they have in Pryor, and CP is the QB of the near future.
Why does it matter whether random fans agree or not?
December 17th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
TP looked scared in pre-season, happy feet, inaccurate throws, run-first/throw second, a few good deep throws on a roll out and off-balance pocket throw.
Nothing other 3rd-stringers didn’t also accomplish.
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Just as in preseason, he look sacred on his only throw last week. Guess that what happens playing behind Tony Bergstrom
December 17th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I’m surprised Pryor is still on roster.
They should just cut bait and let the kid land somewhere else.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Jack
thank you for putting it logically. As a fan, you (and I) would LOVE to see Pryor play just for the sake of knowing.
But let’s agree that the COACHING STAFF and various NFL GMs/personnel have seen Pryor play enough and concluded he’s not our future QB.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
The Judge
according to the coaches, they ALREADY KNOW what they have in Pryor, and CP is the QB of the near future.
Why does it matter whether random fans agree or not?
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Then at this point, why not appease the fans. Denver caved for Tebow and they won the division, then prompltly traded him to the Jets. Maybe we could trade him to the Jets too if he won some meaningless games.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Gdog Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RaidO Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
TP got 3 plays?
What the hell is that crap? DA needs to be fired.
\>>>>
Why does he MERIT more?
Be specific.
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Because we’re looking at a top 5 pick, gotta know what you have in our QB project in case you might want to use the top pick on one.
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QB is not the biggest issue. And after what they gave up for him, why would they even consider using a high pick on a QB?
December 17th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
there are rookie QBs who look light-years more polished in the pocket than Pryor, and he’s in year 2.
He doesn’t have the ability to calmly stay in the pocket under pressure and deliver accurate passes.
Couldn’t in college or the NFL. It’s ok.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Because we’re looking at a top 5 pick, gotta know what you have in our QB project in case you might want to use the top pick on one.
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Word!
December 17th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Alex7
Agreed. Coaching staff sees Pryor day-in, day-out and know best.
Last comment I posted bout Pryor still being on roster, that came from my father-in law who is a Chiefs fan.
Said Raiders should cut Pryor so KC can pick him up.
My father-in law is none-to-pleased with the Chiefs quarterbacks.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Eseterik
the reason Reggie MIGHT consider a QB at the top of round 1 is because:
1) It’s the most important position on a team, by far.
2) Ours will be 35 years old and still declining in 2014 when Oakland starts to become legit.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
If DA was a real coach he would make a announcement saying he was going to start TP for the last 2 games. “I need to evaluate my young QB”
DA is not a real coach though and should be FIRED.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
QB is not the biggest issue. And after what they gave up for him, why would they even consider using a high pick on a QB?
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Take the Best player you can if they don’t trade down. Unless this regime plans on obtaining many more top 5 picks, you never know when you’ll get the chance to get a good QB.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Judge
Tebow was a 1st round pick and backup QB and could be hidden in a spread-option offense.
Pryor is none of that. Pryor didn’t play in a Florida-type spread-option offense at Ohio State. He would want to/need to pocket pass, and he’s horrible at it.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
The lesson here with the Hue haters is, be careful what you wish for.
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Hue is a punk.
His big mouth got him fired. he knows that.
You aren’t smart enough to know that. For that matter, You successfully tying your shoes has still not been established.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Alex7
Agreed. Coaching staff sees Pryor day-in, day-out and know best.
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What gives you any confidence that this Coaching staff knows best?
Remember they had a “Competition” with Wiz and Alex Parsons at the begining of the season
December 17th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
http://pregame.com/sports/stories/b/news/archive/2011/08/15/nfl-2011-oakland-raiders-season-win-totals-and-super-bowl-odds
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Raiders were predicted to go 7-9 last saeson we surpassed that. We also were predicted to go 7-9 this season we fell short of that, hmmm.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Lions HC, Rams HC, Browns HC, Saints HC, Panthers HC:
“I’m going to start my 3rd-string QB the rest of the season, even though I’ve stated that our current QB is the QB of the near future, and despite having evaluated our 3rd-string QB every day since June.”
Umm, no
December 17th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Judge
Tebow was a 1st round pick and backup QB and could be hidden in a spread-option offense.
Pryor is none of that. Pryor didn’t play in a Florida-type spread-option offense at Ohio State. He would want to/need to pocket pass, and he’s horrible at it.
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No one thought Tebow should be a 1st round pick, just like most think 3rd was too high for Pryor. Still you never know what’s going to happen. Nothing really to lose now
December 17th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
The lesson here with the Hue haters is, be careful what you wish for.
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Hue is a punk.
His big mouth got him fired. he knows that.
You aren’t smart enough to know that. For that matter, You successfully tying your shoes has still not been established.
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LOL, what up cross posting coward still afraid to reveal yourself
December 17th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
The lesson here with the Hue haters is, be careful what you wish for.
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Hue is a punk.
His big mouth got him fired. he knows that.
You aren’t smart enough to know that. For that matter, You successfully tying your shoes has still not been established.
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LOL! Dude, Hue took 7 years of crap offense & turned into a top 10 unit led by Jason Campbell, not to mention make DMC one of the best backs in the league where he looked like a bust under Knapp…You don’t like him fine, but don’t try to minimize his accomplishments. Tits is a gracious loser & he will never win unless Reggie finds an Aaron Rodgers or Favre to save his ass.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Judge
Tebow was a 1st round pick and backup QB and could be hidden in a spread-option offense.
Pryor is none of that. Pryor didn’t play in a Florida-type spread-option offense at Ohio State. He would want to/need to pocket pass, and he’s horrible at it.
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Yeah TP played in a pro style offense. What is your point?
December 17th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
To be clear, i don’t think they should Start Pryor, but they should give him more than one Pass Attempt to show what he can do
December 17th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Part of EVALUATING our young / new talent at WR, RB, O-line, and TE
is having a QB who can deliver SOMEWHAT ACCURATE throws their way for 60 minutes.
Pryor can’t and would hurt the evaluation of 10 other guys.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
The_Judge37
They are being paid by an NFL team to teach NFL players, so said coaches must have had to do something right to be employed.
And the competition was due to Wiz 2.0 getting healthy after the surgery to repair his torn labrum.
Love Wiz kid by the way. He’s one of ProFootballTalks top-rated centers in the league.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
BREAKING NEWS: Of the 32 NFL teams fans, only one group of fans are whining about seeing a horrible 3rd string qb not just play, but START the last two games. Only one.
And the winner is???
December 17th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Lions HC, Rams HC, Browns HC, Saints HC, Panthers HC:
“I’m going to start my 3rd-string QB the rest of the season, even though I’ve stated that our current QB is the QB of the near future, and despite having evaluated our 3rd-string QB every day since June.”
Umm, no
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Pryor isnt your typical 3rd stringer I guess you didnt know that.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RaidO
the point is some fans think Pryor could play successfully for us BECAUSE we could design some fancy run-option offense for him.
Pryor is built as a POCKET QB and is TERRIBLE at it. He has ZERO experience running spread-options.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
The_Judge37
Mean to say ProFootballFocus, not PFT.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Part of EVALUATING our young / new talent at WR, RB, O-line, and TE
is having a QB who can deliver SOMEWHAT ACCURATE throws their way for 60 minutes.
Pryor can’t and would hurt the evaluation of 10 other guys.
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Exactly correct.
Football 101
December 17th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Part of EVALUATING our young / new talent at WR, RB, O-line, and TE
is having a QB who can deliver SOMEWHAT ACCURATE throws their way for 60 minutes.
Pryor can’t and would hurt the evaluation of 10 other guys.
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The WR’s have been given plenty of opportunity throughout the entire season. There are no Rookie RB’s and TE’s
December 17th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
lol EastO
Pryor IS the typical 3rd-stringer: bad at passing.
I don’t care if he can outrun Lions 3rd-stringers.
So could Taiwan, but once legit game-speed D’s show up, they’re nothing special.
Didn’t exactly have teams calling Reggie daily for Pryor trades.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Lions HC, Rams HC, Browns HC, Saints HC, Panthers HC:
“I’m going to start my 3rd-string QB the rest of the season, even though I’ve stated that our current QB is the QB of the near future, and despite having evaluated our 3rd-string QB every day since June.”
Umm, no
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Pryor isnt your typical 3rd stringer I guess you didnt know that.
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You’re right.
He wouldn’t be on the roster of most teams, much less be 3rd in line.
For that matter, 31 other teams said no thanks, twice, to Pryor.
On your own, can you figure out what that means?
December 17th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
The lesson here with the Hue haters is, be careful what you wish for.
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Hue is a punk.
His big mouth got him fired. he knows that.
You aren’t smart enough to know that. For that matter, You successfully tying your shoes has still not been established.
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LOL! Dude, Hue took 7 years of crap offense & turned into a top 10 unit led by Jason Campbell, not to mention make DMC one of the best backs in the league where he looked like a bust under Knapp…You don’t like him fine, but don’t try to minimize his accomplishments. Tits is a gracious loser & he will never win unless Reggie finds an Aaron Rodgers or Favre to save his ass.
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Dont waste your breath on guys, they clearly have an agenda.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Judge
young WRs are in CONSTANT improvement mode, typically over the first three SEASONS.
I don’t want them missing out on 120 minutes of NFL improvement so a FEW fans can see what everyone else knows about Pryor.
(that said, I agree with you that Pryor will/should get more plays in the next few weeks, but not start.)
December 17th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
I agree Al. ZBS isn’t the problem. Pretty much ANY NFL-worthy system can work if taught correctly and the proper players are eventually brought in.
Like mixed coverages in pass D
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If any system can be effective, why go with the zbs?
After reading DA’s comments along with Knapps presser last wk. i said that this was more about DA wanting his friend Greg Knapp in and less about a conscience decision to go with the zbs BEFORE hiring Knapp to implement it.
DA had to have the great Greg Knapp onboard. It just son happens Knapp knows the zbs…so they went with it.
That decision affects who they will draft, who they will acquire in FA, which coaches they hire..etc etc.
It leads to the conclusion that at the end of the day…a decision that could very well be a key factor in the direction of the organization for yr’s to come, was done so that we could obtain the services of the quarterback coach of the Houston Texans.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Part of EVALUATING our young / new talent at WR, RB, O-line, and TE
is having a QB who can deliver SOMEWHAT ACCURATE throws their way for 60 minutes.
Pryor can’t and would hurt the evaluation of 10 other guys.
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What?
Passing Efficiency Rating: 2010 Big Ten 157.9 (3rd)
Pass Completions: 2010 Big Ten 210 (5th)
Pass Completion Percentage: 2010 Big Ten 65.0 (4th)
Passing Touchdowns: 2010 Big Ten 27 (1st)
You talk like TP has no room to improve. Stop the hate.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Lions HC, Rams HC, Browns HC, Saints HC, Panthers HC:
“I’m going to start my 3rd-string QB the rest of the season, even though I’ve stated that our current QB is the QB of the near future, and despite having evaluated our 3rd-string QB every day since June.”
Umm, no
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Pryor isnt your typical 3rd stringer I guess you didnt know that.
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You’re right.
He wouldn’t be on the roster of most teams, much less be 3rd in line.
For that matter, 31 other teams said no thanks, twice, to Pryor.
On your own, can you figure out what that means?
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It means your a cross posting coward
December 17th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
The_Judge37
They are being paid by an NFL team to teach NFL players, so said coaches must have had to do something right to be employed.
And the competition was due to Wiz 2.0 getting healthy after the surgery to repair his torn labrum.
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Wiz was healthy and ready to open the season. DA and Co. thought Parsons was a better Zone blocker. It took SD throwing Parsons around to show them otherwise, yet they still claimed “Competition” after week 1 just to save face and not out them as complete morons.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
so simple, yet so eluding to so many:
For that matter, 31 other teams said no thanks, twice, to Pryor.
On your own, can you figure out what that means?
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Pryor = Pat White = Joe Webb = Dennis Dixon = Charlie Ward = Madden player’s dream guy.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Pryor hasn’t looked ready for the pro game yet. Maybe never will. Still too early to tell
December 17th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RaidO
He lit up teams like OHIO, PURDUE, and EAST MICHIGAN while at OSU.
Wow!
Then threw 40% completions vs USC, Miami, Penn State, Wisconsin, and Iowa. And the GMs noticed.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
The_Judge37
Remember being peeved about Parsons getting the start until I read beat writers Corkran, McDonald and Tafur as well as CSN Bay’s Guiterrez say Wiz missed practices during Week One of regular season and that is why Parsons drew the start.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
I guess DA saw something in Knapp that 31 other NFL teams didn’t.
If Knapp was as great as he likes to tell us he is, why was he toiling in the role of an offensive asst.?
Especially after having served in the capacity of an OC prior to that?
December 17th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
lol EastO
Pryor IS the typical 3rd-stringer: bad at passing.
I don’t care if he can outrun Lions 3rd-stringers.
So could Taiwan, but once legit game-speed D’s show up, they’re nothing special.
Didn’t exactly have teams calling Reggie daily for Pryor trades.
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And how do you know that? what are you basing that on? he hasnt even played a real down yet. I bet you were one of the guys who said Cam wasnt going to make it.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Dennis Allen is an idiot.
He has a 230 lb back who runs a 4.4 forty, and he doesn’t use him.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
SR Raider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Pryor hasn’t looked ready for the pro game yet. Maybe never will. Still too early to tell
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WHAT???
He looked pretty good in preseason.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
You know this never gets old
THE DEFINITIVE PRYOR EXPERIENCE!!
vs and completion%:
USC 44% (wow)
Wisconsin 38% (just wow)
Penn St. 47%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
CREAM PUFFS:
Ohio Bobcats – 75%
Marshall 68%
Eastern Michigan (don’t laugh) – 76%
Indiana – 80%
Purdue 72%
Minnesota 81%
December 17th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Pryor didn’t look good in preseason, Even Hue never played him. So there is some truth to coaches knowing he can never be a QB. But he was behind a horrible line in preseason that gave no time, He was like Carson last year as a rookie, off the couch and we didn’t have meaningless games last year like this. Add that with these coaches track record for poor decision making and there’s legitament doubt to want to see Pryor Play
December 17th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Eastoak
I look at stats/brain/arm strength. Cam set PASS EFFICIENCY records at Auburn. Accurate as heck, vs legit teams. Of course he was going to make it.
Pryor, well, look above.
I told people Locker would struggle. INACCURATE at Washington.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
The_Judge37
Remember being peeved about Parsons getting the start until I read beat writers Corkran, McDonald and Tafur as well as CSN Bay’s Guiterrez say Wiz missed practices during Week One of regular season and that is why Parsons drew the start.
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Well i also remember it being reported that they were splitting reps in competition.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
“You clowns are getting stupider and stupider as the day goes on.”
I am in 100% agreement with you!
December 17th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
If Pryor had not gotten into some trouble and played his senior year he would have been a 1st RD pick easy, so dont act like he’s your typical 3rd stringer.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
I’ll tell you right now just for future reference:
Barkley = Matt Cassell (some average NFL seasons, nothing special)
Geno Smith = real deal. Better than Locker and Tennenhill (inaccurate college passers).
December 17th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Eastoak
I look at stats/brain/arm strength. Cam set PASS EFFICIENCY records at Auburn. Accurate as heck, vs legit teams. Of course he was going to make it.
Pryor, well, look above.
I told people Locker would struggle. INACCURATE at Washington.
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Cam had a lot of critics pre draft, but he hired a qb coach and changed his throwing motion and became the 1st overall pick. Even afterwards he still had critics.
December 17th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
sounds like Palmer will be the Raiders starting QB as long as he wants to be, according to the announcers of the OAK/KC game …
December 17th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
DA needs to go. Anything else is just delaying the inevitable.
I fear that we’ll squeak out another win, probably against the Chargers who have totally quit, and that’ll be enough to buy him a second year. Then we’ll go like 7-9 next year with no shot at the playoffs. And they’ll give him a third year and we’ll either regress or stay flat and he’ll be let go then. This is setting up to be a 5 year project whereas with a good coach like Hue or Gruden or several others, we could easily be back in the playoffs in 2013.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
It’s going to be interesting what the Raiders do with Palmer’s financial impact on the team next season.
His cap number for next season is $13 million.
Reshuffle money? Convert most of it to up-front signing bonus to relieve cap?
December 17th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Mark D is following the same mistake filled path that the DeBartolo sister did when she took over the 9ers…appointed her husband as the boss (Mark), hired an ex player to critical positions in upper mgmt and floundered for years…not until they got a Pres. Of Ops, GM who wasn’t a on cussed ex player and a coach with success as a HC in NCAA, did thy get turned around….
This team is still a Mom &Pop operation…
December 17th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
If Pryor had not gotten into some trouble and played his senior year
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If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we’d all have a happy Christmas-Vince Lombardi
Personally this is not an issue for me, but there are going to be individuals who are going to ask Do you really want to hand your franchise over to someone who sold out his entire team and one of the top coaches in college?
December 17th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
I’ll tell you right now just for future reference:
Barkley = Matt Cassell (some average NFL seasons, nothing special)
Geno Smith = real deal. Better than Locker and Tennenhill (inaccurate college passers).
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I agree 100% on Barkely, I havent seen enough of Geno to make a definitive statement, but I do know he played on a pass happy team in a weak conf.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Lions HC, Rams HC, Browns HC, Saints HC, Panthers HC:
“I’m going to start my 3rd-string QB the rest of the season, even though I’ve stated that our current QB is the QB of the near future, and despite having evaluated our 3rd-string QB every day since June.”
Umm, no
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Pryor isnt your typical 3rd stringer I guess you didnt know that.
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You’re right.
He wouldn’t be on the roster of most teams, much less be 3rd in line.
For that matter, 31 other teams said no thanks, twice, to Pryor.
On your own, can you figure out what that means?
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Doesn’t mean anything. Just about every team said no thanks to Kurt Warner too.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
eastoak
just want to know. Do you REALLY think that if teams thought Pryor was a NEAR FUTURE 1st round pick…
they’d pass on him through the ENTIRE 2nd round and parts of the 3rd round?
Dude. WR sat out an ENTIRE YEAR at the NCAA for suspensions and was still a high 2nd round pick.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Alex,
I’ll take Geno Smith if we can get him.
I think Davis, McKenzie & Allen are all infatuated with him though … along with all his teammates and about 75% of Raider Nation
It’s hard for people to look past stats like Palmer’s passing yards & TD’s.
They tend to ignore the fact that JaMarcus Russell had more wins and fewer interceptions in the same number of starts as Palmer.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
I’d like Pryor to do well, but my guess is he’s probably best suited as a gimmick player, kind of like Brad Smith with the Jets a few years ago. Smith was also a college QB.
But the Raiders coaches should have been making use of his athleticism this year in that type of role. No vision. No creativity around these parts anymore.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
How many plays did Bergstrom get?
Only saw him on he un that got called back due to him holding…
December 17th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
lol
we are now comparing Pryor to Warner.
wow. Teams passed on Warner because he played for East Ethiopia Tech Community College.
Pryor was kinda on a bigger stage. GMs saw what he offered.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
sounds like Palmer will be the Raiders starting QB as long as he wants to be, according to the announcers of the OAK/KC game …
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What almost everyone that has broken down this team all year realizes is Palmer has done a pretty decent job. And that is with no running game, an Oline that took til week 13 to pull it together, a very very pedestrian WR corp, an offensive staff that put in an entirely new system, and a porous defense that could not hold any type of field position. Not a lot other than Palmer there really.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
sounds like Palmer will be the Raiders starting QB as long as he wants to be, according to the announcers of the OAK/KC game …
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Sounds like you are a cross posting BIOTCH
December 17th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
IF the Coaches already know Pryor is not their Qb, then just man up and tell him to switch positions if he wants an NFL Career. Who knows maybe he can be another Ronald Curry, or just another (I don’t even remember his name but the white boy WR from Jax)
December 17th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
It’s going to be interesting what the Raiders do with Palmer’s financial impact on the team next season.
His cap number for next season is $13 million.
Reshuffle money? Convert most of it to up-front signing bonus to relieve cap?
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Yes – Palmer will restructure to the vet minimum, like he did this past offseason. huge cap savings, but we make his money guaranteed and pay 99% up front in the form of a bonus. While Pryor rots away on the bench…
December 17th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Doesn’t mean anything. Just about every team said no thanks to Kurt Warner too.
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Coaches that coached against Warner at Northern Iowa knew that he was something special. No one else did tho.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
lol
we are now comparing Pryor to Warner.
wow. Teams passed on Warner because he played for East Ethiopia Tech Community College.
Pryor was kinda on a bigger stage. GMs saw what he offered.
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Tom Brady? What about him? Is Michigan a big enough stage? He sat for five rounds.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
How many plays did Bergstrom get?
Only saw him on he un that got called back due to him holding…
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Didn’t he get the False start on Pryor’s 1st down ?
December 17th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Has Bartell found work?
From starter to unemployed?
Guess Reggie’s guys can get it and be out of work too…
December 17th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
I’ll tell you right now just for future reference:
Barkley = Matt Cassell (some average NFL seasons, nothing special)
Geno Smith = real deal. Better than Locker and Tennenhill (inaccurate college passers).
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Locker is terrible! At least the other guys were good college players.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
The_Judge37
Matt Jones — former Arkansas QB.
Drew Bennett longtime Titans WR was a QB at UCLA.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Geno Smith played in the Big-12 this year. WV moved.
He played Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Kansas, and Baylor.
Dude is crazy good. RGIII played in pass-happy O too.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Judge, I think he false start on TP’s 1st play was on our ‘upgrade Briesel’…
Of course it was all TP’s fault. According to some on here.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
The_Judge37
Matt Jones — former Arkansas QB.
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I think that’s the one, Coke head right?
December 17th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
eastoak
just want to know. Do you REALLY think that if teams thought Pryor was a NEAR FUTURE 1st round pick…
they’d pass on him through the ENTIRE 2nd round and parts of the 3rd round?
Dude. WR sat out an ENTIRE YEAR at the NCAA for suspensions and was still a high 2nd round pick.
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Yes, because of his off the field issues.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
The_Judge37
Yep, that was the knock on Jonsey.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
All I’m saying is make up your own mind. Do you think Mel Kiper’s always right?
Al took Pryor because he saw something. Now, I can’t make it down to Alameda and watch practice, so I want to know what he has in a game. More than three plays worth anyway, what the point of that.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
But the Raiders coaches should have been making use of his athleticism this year in that type of role. No vision. No creativity around these parts anymore.
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I don’t think this staff wants to win games with gimmicks and trick plays. Jackson did that. I think this staff wants to line up and beat peoples asses hard. Like the good Green Bay and New Orleans championship teams did.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
The_Judge37
Matt Jones — former Arkansas QB.
Drew Bennett longtime Titans WR was a QB at UCLA.
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Bennett was good for a little while. Why not try to salvage a player like Pryor. It’s not like he’s hurting our cap
December 17th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Alex,
I’ll take Geno Smith if we can get him.
I think Davis, McKenzie & Allen are all infatuated with him though … along with all his teammates and about 75% of Raider Nation
It’s hard for people to look past stats like Palmer’s passing yards & TD’s.
They tend to ignore the fact that JaMarcus Russell had more wins and fewer interceptions in the same number of starts as Palmer.
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Believe me, this hasn’t escaped my notice.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
They should promise Pryor the second half of the Carolina game. Let him play some
December 17th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
It’s well-known to nerds like me that Brady was overlooked in Michigan because of two things:
complete lack of athleticism
and surrounded by CRAZY NFL talent that took up most scouts’ time: Steve Hutchinson, David Terrell, Anthony Thomas (RB), Drew Henson, Jeff Backus, Larry Foote, Victor Hobson, Ian Gold, Dhani Jones, Justin Fargas, Marcus Knight
wow.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
“sounds like Palmer will be the Raiders starting QB as long as he wants to be, according to the announcers of the OAK/KC game …”
I am not ready to give up my #3 jersey yet.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Geno Smith played in the Big-12 this year. WV moved.
He played Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Kansas, and Baylor.
Dude is crazy good. RGIII played in pass-happy O too.
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Maybe there is something to him, but if KC passes on him in their sad qb state then I want no part of him, plus like I’ve stated before we need to fix the O and D lines before anything else. No matter what you think games are won and lost in the trenches.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Russell didn’t have to play the two best divisions (NFC South and AFC North) in the same year. Kinda crazy schedule we pulled this year. Some last-place schedule!
But yeah, we have to upgrade at QB soon. No doubt.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
DA is coaching as if he’s on the hot seat…
No TD’s against the 2nd worst team in the league,
Makes us the 3rd worst team in the league..
Hese guys do Not deserve a ‘victory Monday’…
December 17th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
If the Coaches are convinced from working with Pryor that he’s not a QB. Why string him along? Ask him to convert or cut him. They’re bringing this criticism from the Fan base on themeselves.
Unless they just used Pryor as Ticket bait, which also makes sense.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
It’s well-known to nerds like me that Brady was overlooked in Michigan because of two things:
complete lack of athleticism
and surrounded by CRAZY NFL talent that took up most scouts’ time: Steve Hutchinson, David Terrell, Anthony Thomas (RB), Drew Henson, Jeff Backus, Larry Foote, Victor Hobson, Ian Gold, Dhani Jones, Justin Fargas, Marcus Knight
wow.
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Fellas you NEVER know what you have in a player until the real bullets start flying. Brady is an excellent example of that. Even Bill Polian who was a better personnel guy that almost anyone thought the draft was a complete crap shoot.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Cool DA you proved that you can out coach a struggling coordinator posing as a head coach leading a horrific team good for you DA, but this team has more needs then your personal Scooby snacks on the field.. My hopes is that Reggie Mac has a plan a plan that caters to the passion of the nation. That would keep the majority of our fan base intacked and excited for 2013 so we won’t jump ship on this team and spend our hard earned money to buy warriors season tickets at least that Oakland franchise .is moving forward …Cut freaking ties and FIRE Knapp!!!(I was there at the game yesterday I ines hw the players was so upset wit he’s plllin and the offensi staff in whole was hearing it frpom the players) it’s simple dude gotta go ,bring in a more productive & player friendly OC .. As I been saying loose out the remaining two games , hold on to a #4 or #6 draft spot ..trade down to STL for there #15 & one of there 2nd round picks ..continue what they have been doing by making there cuts , trades & FA pick ups.. Rebuild!!
December 17th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Judge, I think he false start on TP’s 1st play was on our ‘upgrade Briesel’…
Of course it was all TP’s fault. According to some on here.
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And how many false starts did the OL have other than that one? If I recall it was zero. Couldn’t have anything to do with the QB cadence could it.
I could just see Pryor yelling, “Hut … hut …. Umm, what’s that next word again?” and that’s when Briesel jumped.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
eastoak
are you trying, honestly?
WR Josh Gordon’s off-field issues cost him an ENTIRE NCAA SEASON, yet was taken with high 2nd-round pick.
Pryor’s off-field “issues” were getting some free tattoos. Yet GMs passed on him like a disease. At the MOST IMPORTANT POSITION in the NFL.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
another power lead dmc = 10 yards…
December 17th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Pryor needs to move to WR already
December 17th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
It’s well-known to nerds like me that Brady was overlooked in Michigan because of two things:
complete lack of athleticism
and surrounded by CRAZY NFL talent that took up most scouts’ time: Steve Hutchinson, David Terrell, Anthony Thomas (RB), Drew Henson, Jeff Backus, Larry Foote, Victor Hobson, Ian Gold, Dhani Jones, Justin Fargas, Marcus Knight
wow.
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I really don’t care. I’m saying Pryor was 31-4 at Ohio State. He should be looked at for longer than 3 plays.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
I think Denarius Moore might be retarded.
Can we get a look at his:
College GPA, IQ, Wonderlic and make him read a Dr. Seuss book just to make sure? Jesus Christ, that guy is lost 99% of the game.
Uh so just run straight coach den catch a da ball?
December 17th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
It’s well-known to nerds like me that Brady was overlooked in Michigan because of two things:
complete lack of athleticism
and surrounded by CRAZY NFL talent that took up most scouts’ time: Steve Hutchinson, David Terrell, Anthony Thomas (RB), Drew Henson, Jeff Backus, Larry Foote, Victor Hobson, Ian Gold, Dhani Jones, Justin Fargas, Marcus Knight
wow.
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Fellas you NEVER know what you have in a player until the real bullets start flying. Brady is an excellent example of that.
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So then you agree we NEED to see Pryor Play in a Real Game?
December 17th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
If the Coaches are convinced from working with Pryor that he’s not a QB. Why string him along?
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They are going to put him into real action in the next two weeks. They can only evaluate him in game action, there is no other way. This is going to be interesting. I really want him to play well. I think we all do.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
GMs REACH for qbs in the 1st round (Tebow, Tennenhill, Locker, Ponder)
yet passed on Pryor even in the 3rd round.
For getting free tattoos? lol, for not throwing a ball well.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
They tend to ignore the fact that JaMarcus Russell had more wins and fewer interceptions in the same number of starts as Palmer.
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Gift interceptions aren’t the norm. Most occur right on or next to the intended target. Russell rarely got the ball that close.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
ddsman Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
I think Denarius Moore might be retarded.
Can we get a look at his:
College GPA, IQ, Wonderlic and make him read a Dr. Seuss book just to make sure? Jesus Christ, that guy is lost 99% of the game.
Uh so just run straight coach den catch a da ball?
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Worked for him last year. Better than Knapps, “Just run, and before you cross the 1st down marker, cut outside.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Judge
I don’t agree that EVERY 3rd-string NFL QB has to play in a real game for NFL people to see he doesn’t have it.
100+ NFL practices, pre-season, scout work is enough.
Especially when he wasn’t even considered much of a QB prospect to start out with.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
If the Coaches are convinced from working with Pryor that he’s not a QB. Why string him along?
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They are going to put him into real action in the next two weeks. They can only evaluate him in game action, there is no other way. This is going to be interesting. I really want him to play well. I think we all do.
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We’ll see about that. I hope so too. But one series is a joke, might as well have just not played him at all.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
If it was on TP wouldn’t another guy jump too?
Briesel is a tire fire at RG…
December 17th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
“For getting free tattoos? lol, for not throwing a ball well.”
He throws like Tebow and needs to move to WR before he embarrasses himself any more.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Judge, I think he false start on TP’s 1st play was on our ‘upgrade Briesel’…
Of course it was all TP’s fault. According to some on here.
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And how many false starts did the OL have other than that one? If I recall it was zero. Couldn’t have anything to do with the QB cadence could it.
I could just see Pryor yelling, “Hut … hut …. Umm, what’s that next word again?” and that’s when Briesel jumped.
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Bingo. The Q is like a conductor with an orchestra. You can take the exact same orchestra but the speed and cadences will be completely different with a new conductor. Which not only throws the Oline off, but also WR timing, the RB’s hitting taking handoffs and hitting the gaps, in addition to the speed the team runs its entire offense.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Judge
I don’t agree that EVERY 3rd-string NFL QB has to play in a real game for NFL people to see he doesn’t have it.
100+ NFL practices, pre-season, scout work is enough.
Especially when he wasn’t even considered much of a QB prospect to start out with.
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Kinda goes to my point of why string him along. Convert him to WR or TE. But also this staff doesn’t have a track record of making wise personell decisions.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
lol at fans quoting QB records in college.
Like Moore at Boise State and Tebow at Florida and Pat White at West Virginia!
Better records than Pryor.
Umm, wins are determined by the team and the WEAK college competition ADs can put together.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
If it was on TP wouldn’t another guy jump too?
Briesel is a tire fire at RG…
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He was afraid of getting burned by that Pigeon again.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
eastoak
are you trying, honestly?
WR Josh Gordon’s off-field issues cost him an ENTIRE NCAA SEASON, yet was taken with high 2nd-round pick.
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Who in the hell is Josh Gordon?(exactly)Pyror let down an entire big time University and aided in the coach being fired, it was more than just tatoos he also sold memorabilia.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Judge
how is putting some random guy as a 3rd-string QB stringing him along?
Someone’s gotta hold that unimportant position, and it’s not like they’ve promised him anything.
“Palmer is our QB of the future.” – Oakland Raiders
(Pryor also told GMs he wasn’t going to switch positions) but yeah, he’ll play a little more next two weeks.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Danny Weurfeul was undefeated at Florida!!!
Dude must have been awesome!
Charlie Ward baby, how come no one gave him a chance?? National Championship at FSU!
Earn your NFL playing time by looking competent over 100+ practices.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
1st and goal inside the 10 and a FG…
December 17th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
We’ll see about that. I hope so too. But one series is a joke, might as well have just not played him at all.
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Tell that to Tom Brady. What they were trying to do was simulate Pryor going out there randomly. Actually that was smart. Brady did not know when he was going in. Bledsoe got hurt, in goes Brady. That’s the life of the backup Q.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Judge
how is putting some random guy as a 3rd-string QB stringing him along?
Someone’s gotta hold that unimportant position, and it’s not like they’ve promised him anything.
“Palmer is our QB of the future.” – Oakland Raiders
(Pryor also told GMs he wasn’t going to switch positions) but yeah, he’ll play a little more next two weeks.
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It’s stringing him along by keeping him at 3rd String QB if they don’t see a future for him. Cut Richard Gordon, sign a comptent “Just in Case” 3rd string and get an early start on developing him as a WR. If he’s not willing to convert than just cut him. Like you said he’s taking up a roster spot
December 17th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Eastoak
you are either not very knowledgeable of the NFL or a funny troll.
JOSH GORDON is one of the best rookies in the NFL, and putting up a better WR rookie season than DHB’s career.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Alex7
Heard an interview with Charlie Ward on why he chose basketball instead of football career when he was with the Knicks.
Basically said the hit laid upon him by Miami University defensive end Dwayne Johnson made him decide the hardwood was better long-term.
Of course, one Dwayne Johnson became a household name elsewhere as well…
December 17th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Judge
how is putting some random guy as a 3rd-string QB stringing him along?
Someone’s gotta hold that unimportant position, and it’s not like they’ve promised him anything.
“Palmer is our QB of the future.” – Oakland Raiders
(Pryor also told GMs he wasn’t going to switch positions) but yeah, he’ll play a little more next two weeks.
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Alex7, You sound like you want TP to fail before he has even had a chance. Sounds like you have alternative motives.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
judge
you don’t cut 3rd string guys just because you know they’re not ever going to be starters. It’s unimportant unless there’s an easy available upgrade.
No reason to cut Pryor, just like there’s no reason to force-play him if they know he’s not IT from college and NFL performance.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RaidO Practices count.
do you think EVERY 3rd-string QB HAS to demand NFL live-game CHANCES? Why?
He sucked at OSU vs legit competition. GMs passed on him through 3 rounds. He looks as shaky in his second season of practices and pre-season as his first, inaccurate his entire life.
I’m just being honest. He’s not an NFL QB and all GMs knew this (except Al due to athleticism). It’s ok.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
judge
you don’t cut 3rd string guys just because you know they’re not ever going to be starters. It’s unimportant unless there’s an easy available upgrade.
No reason to cut Pryor, just like there’s no reason to force-play him if they know he’s not IT from college and NFL performance.
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It’s important to not waste him because like it or not, he’s last years 3rd round draft pick. Better to find some way he can contribute if the coaches already know he’s not a QB.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
do you think EVERY 3rd-string QB HAS to demand NFL live-game CHANCES? Why?
that’s the crux of it all. Practice performance counts. Earn it. He hasn’t for two years and doesn’t have the college/1st round pedigree to make it mandatory.
g’night all.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Finally 5:30! See ya, we’ll continue beating the $h!t outta this dead horse tommorow
December 17th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Judge
for all we know, Pryor might be the best 3rd-string QB ever. And the coaches are just fine keeping that so. If he beats out someone for SECOND STRING some-day, then he can at least have an argument for demanding PT.
But right now, and throughout his college and NFL career, he can’t pass accurately, master basic footwork, or read a D.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
lol, it’s a big-a%% horse.
stats vs emotions.
Love debating that stuff.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Alex7 is a nerd a geek, he said it himself, I bet he never even played football in the street with the other kids or never got picked one, all he knows is stats period doesnt know THE GAME. He thinks olinemen are worthless thats all you need to know about Alex.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
This preseason performance is enough for TP to play out the rest of this crap season.
Terrelle Pryor Preseason 12′ vs Detriot Lions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEySdy2bMo
December 17th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Projects are for good teams. Waiting for someone like Pryor to develope is counter productive. He will become a free agent long before he is ready to help the Raiders.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
dmc zone stretch = 1 yard…
December 17th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
the brilliant minds of our raider fan “scouts”:
“Thats a play that should happen ALL THE TIME.”
Because defenses wouldn’t, I dunno, adjust or anything.
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So let me get this straight… you don’t think we should run any running plays (gawd forbid) that WORK, because they would have to adjust?
THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT!
December 17th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
all you need to know about alex6 is he loves everything zone…
December 17th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
RaidO Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
This preseason performance is enough for TP to play out the rest of this crap season.
Terrelle Pryor Preseason 12′ vs Detriot Lions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEySdy2bMo
>>>>
Practice games now?
Whats next?
Film from a throw he made to someones kid in a backyard?
December 17th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Gdog
why did you ignore the “ALL THE TIME” that was in caps up there? Mean of you
Houston loves the zone blocking system.
Patriots safety loved playing zone.
49ers safety caused fumble while FACING THE BALL playing zone.
FWIW I played HS football but loved baseball/math more. Stats are what HAPPENED. What you think falls WAAAAY below that.
Packers, Steelers, Bears, Colts prove that QB is what matters, O-lines can be built to cohesive units without wasting high picks on them.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Romo made me scratch my head a few times during the CSNCA Raiders post-game show yesterday.
First: “Raiders should dump their offensive coordinator and build the offense around Darren McFadden. That is what the team showed me today with giving him 30 carries.”
Followed by: “Darren McFadden will never be a 30-carry guy. He’s 10-15 carries tops.”
So, you build an entire offense around a guy who will touch the ball 10-15 times Romo?
December 17th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Gdog
those Lions 3rd-string corners ARE just kids playing in the backyard now
Kellen Moore thinks he can top that and should play ahead of Stafford in this wasted season.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Romo did steroids.
Romo’s brain isn’t really into paradigm-changes and truth-seeking.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Packers, Steelers, Bears, Colts prove that QB is what matters, O-lines can be built to cohesive units without wasting high picks on them.
Colts 1-15 last year.
Colts playoffs this year.
Same o-line, receivers, RB. Different QB.
Word.
Chiefs spent gobs of 1st round picks on linemen. Ughhh.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
night for real.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
all you need to know about alex6 is he loves everything zone…
>>>>
He just told me a team shouldn’t repeatedly run plays that WORK because defenses would adjust.
Bellichick would run the same exact play 7 times in a row until someone stops it.
He’s got rings.
Knapp keeps getting fired.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Locker has no business running the option. He has no clue how to run it. I wonder how much he has going on upstairs sometimes.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Eastoak
you are either not very knowledgeable of the NFL or a funny troll.
***
Alex,
he’s a turd sandwich
December 17th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
1 Tommy Kelly $8,874,267
2 Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
3 Darren McFadden $7,812,167
4 Shane Lechler $4,900,000
5 Carson Palmer $4,716,667
6 Sebastian Janikowski $4,325,000
7 Michael Huff $3,988,750
8 Rolando McClain $3,640,000
9 Ron Bartell $3,000,000
10 Tyvon Branch $2,400,000
December 17th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
“Film from a throw he made to someones kid in a backyard?”
That’s funny
December 17th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Raiders handily beat a team late in the season. That is a good sign I don’t care who the opponent is. And Hue Jackson never did that.
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what an idiotic statement.
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It’s not a statement. It’s a fact.
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8 wins is twice as good as 4 wins, dumbass.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
man…bergstrom svcks…
December 17th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
8 wins is twice as good as 4 wins
***
realtor doubles as a math teacher, Kell?
well done!
December 17th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Gdog
why did you ignore the “ALL THE TIME” that was in caps up there? Mean of you
>>>
What you said makes zero sense. If a play is successful you do it as often as possible and build other plays off of it.
ALL THE TIME!
A PA bootleg off that McF pull would have wide open receivers all over the field.
I stand by what I said.
December 17th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
rockstar…did you rmney still trying to get votes at the pac marquez fight? lol…
December 17th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000113059/article/terrelle-pryor-plays-for-raiders-on-day-he-called-911
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Pryor caught a stomach bug and called the emergency hotline, LOL
December 17th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Alis,
I don’t watch boxing or UFC. I’m not a fan of Mitt either
not sure what you’re talking about
December 17th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
One of the few moments of excitement the Raiders offered was when second-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor entered in the second quarter. Pryor, the last controversial acquisition of Al Davis’ career, went three-and-out and didn’t return. Starter Carson Palmer played the rest of the way.
Head coach Dennis Allen said that was by design. The plan was for Pryor to play the first series of the second quarter and “then let the game play out from there. I thought we were doing nice things with Carson and with the run game, and we just stuck with the plan.”
Pryor, who handed off twice and prided himself on throwing the ball away on third down and not throwing an interception, called the move a steppingstone. He said nothing but deferential things about Palmer, from whom he said he has learned and who he believes has played well all season.
Pryor still conceded it is hard for a quarterback to have any chance to get in a rhythm in one series.
“Your arm goes cool real quick,” he said, “but that’s the situation I’m dealt.”
Allen, Palmer and the Raiders were desperate for a win. But why not take a longer look at Pryor? At this point, the fourth win of the season is merely window-dressing. Why not take a long and serious look at everyone on the roster? Why not let the fans see something new?
The Raiders need to keep their fans interested. Sunday’s game was, theoretically, a sellout and was televised in the Bay Area. But in reality, the Coliseum was only about two-thirds full.
The Raiders haven’t wanted to say they were rebuilding this year; it’s a bad way to sell tickets. Sunday was the season’s home finale, so the need to sell tickets is over.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Raiders-in-search-of-their-identity-4122599.php#ixzz2FMf6xLTG
December 17th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Kell,
you think they vowed to play Pryor in an effort to sell more tix?
December 17th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
2/3 is pushing it…
December 17th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
DMC was yelling at Knapp for calling the same play 10 times I heard.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Gdog
“run it as often as possible” is an easy way to ruin a great play.
You run basic plays to set up / surprise great plays.
Not the other way around. Run something even a LITTLE too often in a game and the D starts pick-6ing you to death like a bad Madden 4th quarter Hail Mary flurry
coaches set up entire games for those 2 or 3 huge plays to work at the right time.
computer shut down.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
I don’t make much of the fact that our defense pitched a shutout. Not just because KC is a 2-win team either
they passed on two FG’s, going for it on 4th down
score should have been 15-6 and named the “toilet bowl”
didn’t have Bowe. had a huge run by Charles wiped out by a phantom holding call. like 12 drops by Quinn’s intended targets where our guy in coverage was beat and the throw was on the money
December 17th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Kell,
you think they vowed to play Pryor in an effort to sell more tix?
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I have no idea what these people are doing.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000113059/article/terrelle-pryor-plays-for-raiders-on-day-he-called-911
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Pryor caught a stomach bug and called the emergency hotline, LOL
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He calls an ambulance because he threw up? Then he says he was in for 4 plays? Not the brightest bulb in the bunch, huh?
December 17th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
How many GM candidates did Mark interview?
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
320…just as you said that i just saw dmc pissed off! he was telling the coaching staff something…
December 17th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Gdog
“run it as often as possible” is an easy way to ruin a great play.
You run basic plays to set up / surprise great plays.
Not the other way around. Run something even a LITTLE too often in a game and the D starts pick-6ing you to death like a bad Madden 4th quarter Hail Mary flurry
coaches set up entire games for those 2 or 3 huge plays to work at the right time.
>>>>
This isn’t a trick play… this is just a basic pull play to get McF around the edges. What are teams going to do to stop it besides throw their LB’s and safeties at it? Which is why I said a PA bootleg out of it would work perfectly also.
You act like running McF around the edges with EXTRA blockers is a trick play.
Are you Knapp himself?
December 17th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
If Pryor wanted to play more he shouldnt have caused a penalty on first play, then go three and out. The staff sees Pryor every day,..they know hes not a qb and not part of their plans,…hes going to be released in a few weeks. Wont be picked up by any other team. Fact.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Seattle drafted Russell Okung before the drafted Wison
Redskins drafted Trent Williams before they drafted RGIII
Cle drafted Joe Thomas before they drafted Trent Richardson now all they need IS a QB and they will be a good team
Mia drafted Jake long before Tannehill and Henne imo they still need a QB but when they get one he wont have to run for his life
Orlando Pace started off the Rams to success
Jonathan Ogden started Baltimore off to success
Tony Boseli started the Jags off to success
the common denominator here is the Oline build it first and the rest will come in time.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Darren McFadden has said all the right things this season and hasn’t pointed the finger at anyone else when he struggled running in the Raiders’ new zone-blocking scheme. That is, until the second quarter Sunday.
The eruption came after a 3rd-and-1 play on which he ran wide right and was stopped for a loss of 2 yards. McFadden came off the field fuming, screaming at anyone near him. Whether he was mad at the call or the blocking, no one is saying – but he was hot.
“Emotions got the best of me,” said McFadden, who finished with 110 yards rushing and 39 receiving. “But Coach and I talked it out, and it’s all good.”
Head coach Dennis Allen liked the fire.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/McFadden-gets-running-game-in-gear-4122801.php#ixzz2FMiCySf7
December 17th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Bartell got 3 Million and now he’s on the streets?
That is some Shrewd Cap Work here Reggie…
December 17th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
“Pryor caught a stomach bug and called the emergency hotline,”
He caught the bug from sucking so bad…I am sure the 911 operator told him to move to WR already!
December 17th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
If Pryor wanted to play more he shouldnt have caused a penalty on first play, then go three and out. The staff sees Pryor every day,..they know hes not a qb and not part of their plans,…hes going to be released in a few weeks. Wont be picked up by any other team. Fact.
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LOL! 2 run plays and 1 pass play.
Get out of here with that mess.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
8-8, 8-8, 4-12
But some wanna defend DA.
He has failed by every metric imaginable except penalties.
There are no numbers to suggest he has been better than Hue. Any argument suggesting so is nothing but spin.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
DMC needs to go the same day as Pryor,…like the night of the Charger game,..Reggie is going to get rid of the losers…its all good soon.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
He was pissed because bergstrom was pushed 6 yards back…
December 17th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Ten and then….
December 17th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
eastoak
are you trying, honestly?
WR Josh Gordon’s off-field issues cost him an ENTIRE NCAA SEASON, yet was taken with high 2nd-round pick.
Pryor’s off-field “issues” were getting some free tattoos. Yet GMs passed on him like a disease. At the MOST IMPORTANT POSITION in the NFL.
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Well, that and maybe his Wonderlic score of 7. Both show a pattern of poor decision making.
If you don’t think the Wonderlic is important, check this article: http://nflcombineresults.com/the-smartest-quarterbacks-in-nfl-combine-history-wonderlic/
Notice the huge correlation between NFL starting QBs and scores greater than or equal to 21. Does a lower score mean you can’t be an NFL starter? Not definitively, but it greatly decreases your chances. Just like having a less than great arm can be overcome but it sure diminishes your odds of succeeding.
GMs (by that I mean actual NFL talent evaluators, not those named Mistic or Priest) actually care about this ability in the QBs they draft. There was one notable GM that seemed to have more of a hard on for pure physical freakiness than combining that with a brain. He’s not around any more (RIP AL).
Yet, a preponderence of evidence in the survival of the fittest — those currently starting in the NFL at QB, shows that a high Wonderlic score is a big part of getting there.
Pryor fails this department miserably. Get over it and let the Raiders cut their losses on this bad investment and go focus on developing talent with a better chance of making the grade.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
“If Pryor wanted to play more he shouldnt have caused a penalty on first play, then go three and out. The staff sees Pryor every day,..they know hes not a qb and not part of their plans,…hes going to be released in a few weeks. Wont be picked up by any other team. Fact.”
I agree with you
December 17th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
RaidO Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
This preseason performance is enough for TP to play out the rest of this crap season.
Terrelle Pryor Preseason 12′ vs Detriot Lions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEySdy2bMo
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Actually, no.
The above would be why you would think twice.
First off, he had so few “highlight” plays that in a 2 min clip, they replayed the same plays, one of them 3 different times from different angles.
Secondly, how many throws from the pocket? Not one.
Third. TD pass was a bad pass, badly underthrown.
and his runs? horrible. Yeah, he’s fast, but he had zero moves in the open field. Actually ran right into his tackler, instead of juking him.
You act like completing a pass is a monumental task. PeeWee football qb’s complete passes. Jr High? Yep, them too. High school, college, and onward. qb’s complete passes.
Why are you so jazzed because Pryor completed a couple of passes, that were actually not thrown that well?
Sure glad we have coaches watching players to decide, and not people who are clueless about the game.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
8-8, 8-8, 4-12
But some wanna defend DA.
He has failed by every metric imaginable except penalties.
There are no numbers to suggest he has been better than Hue. Any argument suggesting so is nothing but spin.
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People with brains can see this…Fire DA
December 17th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Reggie is going to get rid of the losers…its all good soon.
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Oh good he’s firing DA & his staff.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
LOL at the notion that Pryor would sell any extra tickets.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Knapp runs that outside zone play on every damned 3rd down, unsuccessfully.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Come on Tenn…
December 17th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
silly (but serious) question…
why is dennis allen aka “tits” on this board?
did i miss something (e.g. a pic where he has man boobs)?
hes awful, make no mistake, i just want to be able to revel in all aspects of the comedy that is D0A…
December 17th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Reggie is in charge of the roster, not the coaching staff,..he only hired Allen, Allen hired the rest. If you think Reggie at all is thinking of making any coaching changes youre wrong,..all Reggie is thinking about is who to get rid of in three weeks,..at least 20 will be canned,…Reggie likes what he sees from this staff,…and so do I. I wanted Gruden back but got it confirmed hes not, so if this staff is good enough for Reggie its fine by me. Just take out the trash Reggie. Uh huh.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
I’m sure if Matt Leinart started, he could muster up an extra 250 people from So Cal to come to the game.
Maybe we should start him!!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
8-8, 8-8, 4-12
But some wanna defend DA.
He has failed by every metric imaginable except penalties.
There are no numbers to suggest he has been better than Hue. Any argument suggesting so is nothing but spin.
===================
Hue took over Cables team.
Got that?
Same team that was 8-8, Hue took over. Same team that Cable handed over, continued on with improving the first half of following season.
then Hue’s head got big. Felt he was all that. did his pedicure for the camera’s. Benched players then lied about why and how it happened. Stated he demanded more control. And when Hue tried to do it his way? After Al was gone?
Team went 1-4 and missed the playoffs.
Hue=FAIL.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
People with brains know that McKenzie is unlikely to fire Allen because it’s difficult to assess a coach after only one year. So you guys keep venting all off season until you get your panties in a bunch. He doesn’t care what you think about Allen.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Knapp is a good OC,..just needs better players,..mostly receivers and backs,..although I like Goodson. DMC gotta go.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
TP isn’t the issue, the issue is this team took 6 weeks off from Competing while suffering HORRIBLE defeats…1 lackluster win doesn’t wipe that clean.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
94 yard td wow!! #CJ
December 17th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Lol,..DMC would have been caught from behind,..by the Jets nose tackle.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
If the plan was to tank for draft spot and put in all these unproven players, they would have fired DA a month ago and put in a puppet like Saunders to do so.
They didn’t, which tells you that DA is coming back next year.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
ummm..no…thats the problem!
T1T5 and co want to KEEP ALL THE PLAYERS from this disasterous 2012 campaign…
dont believe me? check the presser from a few days back from KRAPP and the other members of the CLOWNE COACHE CADRE… NOT KIDDING…
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The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Reggie is going to get rid of the losers…its all good soon.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Reggie is a pro at taking out the trash,
And getting his boss coffee.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
silly (but serious) question…
why is dennis allen aka “tits” on this board?
===============
Although more than a mouthful is wasteful (the mantra of the AA cup) DA’s manhooters are definitely worthy of a manssiere.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
JONGRUDEN2013
With the way DMC is playing this year, he would have sprinted right into the back of Briesel or Barnes on that run play for a two-yard loss instead of taking it to the house.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Hue is a decent OC,..terrible HC,..only reason he gets the job of asking that Bengals QB hows he feelin,..need some water,..is because hes Marvins buddy and Marv new he needed a job,..nobody else was even interviewing the guy for anything. Yup.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
348. Gimme numbers not your dramatic recreation of events.
Reg fired a good coach in favor of a worse one. The numbers tell the story.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Knapp is a good OC,..just needs better players,..mostly receivers and backs,..although I like Goodson. DMC gotta go.
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evidence you were dropped on your head as a child.
Knapp sucked where he was here before.
Sucked with the Niners.
Sucks again, now.
Should have worn that helmet when you were younger.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
wow guess i missed that aspect of his persona at his pressers (i think i should be happy i did?)
==========
Although more than a mouthful is wasteful (the mantra of the AA cup) DA’s manhooters are definitely worthy of a manssiere.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
ps i prefer the use of “BRO”
December 17th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
RaidO Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
This preseason performance is enough for TP to play out the rest of this crap season.
Terrelle Pryor Preseason 12′ vs Detriot Lions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEySdy2bMo
===================
Actually, no.
The above would be why you would think twice.
First off, he had so few “highlight” plays that in a 2 min clip, they replayed the same plays, one of them 3 different times from different angles.
Secondly, how many throws from the pocket? Not one.
Third. TD pass was a bad pass, badly underthrown.
and his runs? horrible. Yeah, he’s fast, but he had zero moves in the open field. Actually ran right into his tackler, instead of juking him.
You act like completing a pass is a monumental task. PeeWee football qb’s complete passes. Jr High? Yep, them too. High school, college, and onward. qb’s complete passes.
Why are you so jazzed because Pryor completed a couple of passes, that were actually not thrown that well?
Sure glad we have coaches watching players to decide, and not people who are clueless about the game
———————————–
You are just hating. Just stop it.
Pryor finished the game 3 for 5 with 137 yards and two touchdowns and ran five times for 90 yards, including a 17-yard touchdown.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
“Well, that and maybe his Wonderlic score of 7. Both show a pattern of poor decision making.
If you don’t think the Wonderlic is important, check this article: http://nflcombineresults.com/the-smartest-quarterbacks-in-nfl-combine-history-wonderlic/
Notice the huge correlation between NFL starting QBs and scores greater than or equal to 21. Does a lower score mean you can’t be an NFL starter? Not definitively, but it greatly decreases your chances. Just like having a less than great arm can be overcome but it sure diminishes your odds of succeeding.
GMs (by that I mean actual NFL talent evaluators, not those named Mistic or Priest) actually care about this ability in the QBs they draft. There was one notable GM that seemed to have more of a hard on for pure physical freakiness than combining that with a brain. He’s not around any more (RIP AL).
Yet, a preponderence of evidence in the survival of the fittest — those currently starting in the NFL at QB, shows that a high Wonderlic score is a big part of getting there.
Pryor fails this department miserably. Get over it and let the Raiders cut their losses on this bad investment and go focus on developing talent with a better chance of making the grade.”
This is freaking awesome I agree 100%
December 17th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
I did notice DA’s little perkies this weekend for the first time. Hilarious.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
348. Gimme numbers not your dramatic recreation of events.
Reg fired a good coach in favor of a worse one. The numbers tell the story.
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?
Gave you numbers.
Read it again.
the end result?
WHEN THE TEAM HAD TO WIN, HUE WENT 1-4 DOWN THE STRETCH.
And missed the playoffs by the last loss. And the previous loss from that. And the one just prior to that…ANY WIN AT THAT TIME, AGAINST WEAK TEAMS, WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE TEAM IN THE PLAYOFS.
He made stupid call after stupid call. Challenged plays he shouldn’t have. Called timeouts when didn’t need to. Sat DHB then lied about telling him about it, when he was actually needed.
Shall I go on?
December 17th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
I heard Jamarcus had a wonderlic of 26.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I’ve been noticing that while the talk at first with Bergs was at G, he is playing more at tackle and as the extra TE on the left side, so that he deals with nothing but speed rushers off the edge.
Grooming him to take the RT spot next season.
Print that
December 17th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
RockinRaider Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
348. Gimme numbers not your dramatic recreation of events.
Reg fired a good coach in favor of a worse one. The numbers tell the story.
=================
?
Gave you numbers.
Read it again.
the end result?
WHEN THE TEAM HAD TO WIN, HUE WENT 1-4 DOWN THE STRETCH.
And missed the playoffs by the last loss. And the previous loss from that. And the one just prior to that…ANY WIN AT THAT TIME, AGAINST WEAK TEAMS, WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE TEAM IN THE PLAYOFS.
He made stupid call after stupid call. Challenged plays he shouldn’t have. Called timeouts when didn’t need to. Sat DHB then lied about telling him about it, when he was actually needed.
Shall I go on?
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Any dumb btch can figure 8 wins is twice 4 wins.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
“It’s tough to shut out anybody in this league,’’ Allen said. “For us to go out there and do that _ it’s the first time it’s been done in this organization for 10 years _ I think that was critical for our defense.’’
________________
Sounds like a 10 year old being proud of finally potty training.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Mush is off the wagon.
Print that.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
JONTRAIN
8-8 under Hue Jackson and whatever the eventual record of Dennis Allen will equal the same thing in Oakland — no playoffs.
I could care less what the Raiders record is as long as they make the playoffs.
Oakland couldn’t get there under Hue.
Should he have gotten another shot to try? Yes.
But, Hubris is gone. He’s now a Bengal.
Can’t give love to a guy that is no longer part of the Raiders organization.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
FYI:
Gruden is sporting a necktie with Raider colors tonight.
It’s his secret message.
He couldn’t be more obvious if he came out and said… “Oakland…here I come”.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Like I said originally…anyone suggesting DA has been better than Hue..BY ANY METRIC (besides penalties)…is spinning facts into fantasy. Please someone provide numbers wherein our team is better than last year.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
DJ Johnny
The past few drafts, when a collegiate athlete is invited to the draft and the Raiders are picking in the top 10, you could always see who the Raiders were going to take.
How?
Said pick wore a Silver and Black color-schemed suit.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Please someone provide numbers wherein our team is better than last year.
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Last year we lost 28-0 at home to KC, this year 15-0.
That’s a 43 point turnaround my friend!!!!!
Can you say contract extension?
December 17th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
When TP had his “Pro” day, only 17 of 32 teams bothered to show up. Almost half the league wasn’t even interested in attending.
Crazy azz Al threw a 3rd round pick at him, could have had him the 5th easy, probably 6th.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
373 I feel you…and I certainly root for DA and my Raiders to win…each and every week…draft position be damned.
But I also feel compelled to asses our current situation. Part of that situation is our head coach..and I cant help but feel a certain way about being competitive for the first time in 10 years for a couple years in a row…then all the sudden being the absolute laughingstock of the league again. Hue was no Lombardi but for our team his positives outweighed the negatives.
The thought of this same coaching staff being invited back…when Hue didnt get that chance…makes my stomach curl
December 17th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Just Fire Baby Says: December 17th, 2012 at 6:41 pmPlease someone provide numbers wherein our team is better than last year
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Last year we lost 28-0 at home to KC, this year 15-0.That’s a 43 point turnaround my friend!!!!!Can you say contract extension
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Hahaha….Thank you sir. I needed a good laugh.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
JONTRAIN
Oh yeah, for sure, it’s been super rough this season.
The bright spot for me is I got to rub in Sunday’s win in my father-in law’s face. He is a Chiefs fan and to be able to tell him:
“Man, Raiders are terrible. But what does that say about the Chiefs? They got shut out by the Raiders.”
Was frickin’ sweet!
December 17th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
I get where guys are saying why play Pryor…he hasn’t proven himself in practice? Also, “This isn’t preseason…these are real games” etc., but Pryor WAS our 3rd rd. pick AND this IS a lost season where the coaches admittedly have said it’s a good time to get a look at everyone.
3 plays? C’mon.
He’s a 3rd round draft choice…it’s not such a ridicuous stretch to have him get out there and play.
If anything do it to shut all the Pryor advocates up.
There is no circumstance where u can judge a guy on 3 freaking plays.
Everybody says he sucks but he has yet to suck in a real game…
I need a bigger sample of suckage on a 3rd round pick before i can judge a guy.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
“Well, that and maybe his Wonderlic score of 7. Both show a pattern of poor decision making.
If you don’t think the Wonderlic is important, check this article: http://nflcombineresults.com/the-smartest-quarterbacks-in-nfl-combine-history-wonderlic/
Notice the huge correlation between NFL starting QBs and scores greater than or equal to 21. Does a lower score mean you can’t be an NFL starter? Not definitively, but it greatly decreases your chances. Just like having a less than great arm can be overcome but it sure diminishes your odds of succeeding.
GMs (by that I mean actual NFL talent evaluators, not those named Mistic or Priest) actually care about this ability in the QBs they draft. There was one notable GM that seemed to have more of a hard on for pure physical freakiness than combining that with a brain. He’s not around any more (RIP AL).
Yet, a preponderence of evidence in the survival of the fittest — those currently starting in the NFL at QB, shows that a high Wonderlic score is a big part of getting there.
Pryor fails this department miserably. Get over it and let the Raiders cut their losses on this bad investment and go focus on developing talent with a better chance of making the grade.”
This is freaking awesome I agree 100%
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Makes sense.
Has there ever been a succesful QB who couldn’t even crack 10?
December 17th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
At Reggie’s presser the other day, he said that da is ini charge of hiring his own staff and that they would sit down after the season to evaluate how they did. He also said, as I recall, that ultimately, the staff make up is up to him. To me, that means someone is gettin the axe if da likes it or not.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
I hate hearing people complain about our draft status. Doesn’t anyone understand how it works?
THE HIGHER THE DRAFT PICK, THE HARDER IT IS TO TRADE DOWN FOR GOOD VALUE. Besides the top of this draft isn’t stellar at this point and we need more picks than anything. If we pick between 5-10 we will have a much better shot at finding a suitor so we can trade down.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
I remember Hue calling out the REFS bias he felt was going against the Raiders. I bet know other Coach will do that for the Raiders. Gotta give Hue the black Patch for sticking up for some really bad call against the Raiders.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
., but Pryor WAS our 3rd rd. pick AND this IS a lost season where the coaches admittedly have said it’s a good time to get a look at everyone.
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3rd round pick Bergstrom was inactive almost all season until lately.
Al drafted Moses in the 3rd round, and sent him packing before he ever played an NFL snap.
3rd round pick is nothing, and by itself doesn’t merit playing time.
1st round, absolutely. 2nd round, maybe. 3rd and beyond, better earn it in practice.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Raider Guy Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
At Reggie’s presser the other day, he said that da is ini charge of hiring his own staff and that they would sit down after the season to evaluate how they did. He also said, as I recall, that ultimately, the staff make up is up to him. To me, that means someone is gettin the axe if da likes it or not.
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Someone’s got to get the axe. I’m tired of hearing great players from history say great coaches coach to their talent and not the other way around.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
…is it better to not play Pryor and have other gm types over estimate his worth or play him, expose him for what he is, and cheapen his trade value?
December 17th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Please someone provide numbers wherein our team is better than last year.
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Last year we lost 28-0 at home to KC, this year 15-0.
That’s a 43 point turnaround my friend!!!!!
Can you say contract extension?
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Any dumbass can figure 8 wins is twice as good as 4 wins. Even a Spinmeister.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Can someboody tell me some things DA has done well this yr.?
Besides benching McClain.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
I remember Hue calling out the REFS bias he felt was going against the Raiders.
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How did that work out for us? We set an NFL record in penalties.
Like it or not, you have to know when to hold them and when to fold them for the reps.
I enjoyed getting the benefit of a bunch of calls yesterday. I hope DA brought up his dad before the game with them and dredged up as much sympathy as possible.
All in the game.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Just Fire Baby
Oh man! Quentin Moses!
The Georgia defensive end Rob Ryan characterized in practices as unblockable!
Third-round pick and highest drafted player in the league that year not to make a roster on opening day.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
• GG Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 5:53 pm
al d. davis Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 5:51 pm
I was astounded that almost 90% of all Raider 1st downs were Bush up the middle for almost no gain. Hue has no balls
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preach it!
December 17th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Dj…the team is still playing hard for him. That deserves credit.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
• djohnnyg Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 5:48 pm
110.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 5:46 pm
We gave up 153 yards rushing today, and 128 came in the 4th quarter.
How on earth does that happen?
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Becuz this defense is a pathetic POS. PERIOD.
Worst defense I HAVE EVER SEEN.
I don’t where they rank. They are the worst.
On Hue.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Johnny,
Our kickoff and punt coverage units are massively improved from last year.
Punt returns……eh, don’t ask.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
al d. davis Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 5:41 pm
I incorrectly predicted this team would go 7 and 9, yet correctly predicted they would never, ever make the playoffs, simply because Hue the Magnificient is too fricken stupid to be a head coach in the NFL, (proven again today)and is better suited as a snake oil salesman, or pastor in a tent revival. The guy is a total joke – even he knows it – why not hire Cable, who probably would have won the West ???
GET RID OF STINK AL’S TAINT ONCE IN FOR ALL !!!
Hopefully this season will be fodder for Mark and Amy to blow up the Raiders and hire a best-in-the-business GM, Head Coach, Offensive and Defensive Co-ordinators. Most of the roster should be cut and or traded, including all the crappy CB’s, linebackers, Richard Seymour, etc.
Anyway, we’ll see….my final question: who the hell is Jerome Boyd ?? only Hue would hire him.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
GG Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 5:41 pm
hue’s true colors have come out the last month, and today.
December 17th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
.wasbanned Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Hue Jackson needs to go.
I hope new GM takes care of business.
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We most definitely need a strong GM who has the power to hire and fire coaches.
Jackson’s play call at the end of the first half got to me.
Eleven seconds left, they’re trying to set it up for Sebass, and they throw down the middle?!
December 17th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
wasbanned Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Hue Jackson needs to go.
I hope new GM takes care of business.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
dvrick Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
# Raider J Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 7:54 pm
“8-8 ain’t what I want to be. Im not happy with this season. But we overachieved. Its just that simple.”
Hue Jackass City=Raider losses.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Just one more year with Hue and there would have not been any guessing if the team was getting better or not. The odds of going 8-8 for three year are very unlikey. Reggie would have been off the hook for this year if Hue did not get the Raiders to the playoffs. Reggie could have started with a fresh slate knowing he did all he could to win while the Raiders were close to the playoffs.I think most Raider fans would have been happy with that!!
December 17th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
GG Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Lol @ Manure believing what Hue says. Hue told you he would fix it every week, the penalties, the run D, etc. And every week after he kept telling you. And even after this game he is STILL telling you he will fix it.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
GG Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Off topic…. Does anyone else think it’s funny that the Fat-arsed Ryan brothers have both performed nice face plants today?
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The big mouths all ended up with their feet in their mouths—-Rex, Rob, and Hue.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
JB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:10 pm
REPOST:
Just back from the game and I need to sum up my feelings -FUK FUK FUK!
The Bronco’s do absolute squat, score 3 points, lose the game and yet, THEY ARE THE AFC-WEST CHAMPIONS! FUK!
This loss is totally on HUE for the following reasons:
• He didn’t fire Bresnahan when he had a chance.
• He didn’t change the defense to a 3-4.
• He treated MBush like a starting RB WHICH HE IS NOT! If he’s resigned, he should take a pay cut. Everybody has is number now and he’s no big threat.
• He, for some reason, ignores the TE game. That needs to change.
• He goes for 3 when he needed 7 every time. The start of the third quarter should have been the start of 4 down territory. Our D couldn’t stop a one legged man with a crutch. They never had to kick a punt. We’d score 3, they’d score 7. WHY ARE WE KICKING 3 POINTERS WHEN WE NEEDED 7’s? WAKE UP Hue!
• With the exception of Routt, we need serious upgrades in the defensive backfield. Start with basic tackling technique.It’s either poor play or it’s a really crappy defensive game plan – probably the later.
• Our front defensive 4 is too predictable and got NO PRESSURE on Rivers at all. He had all day to throw the ball.
• What’s with Louis Murphy not getting out of bounds on the last play of he 2nd quarter? If you can’t get out of bounds drop the damn ball and let SeaBass kick a longer ball. That was more dumb execution.
• Where was TJones? Why did Ford play so little? Did I mention that MBush is NOT a starter quality RB? We need to move TJones to slot WR and get 2 new real banging RB’s – 3 if DMac is not getting healed up permanently.
• Hue MUST stop calling the plays. He’s too distracted from the total game. Let Al Saunders do his job and call the plays. Then Hue can give special attention to motivating players and coordinators on the sideline with a pat on the back or a foot up their a$$.
• Fix the O-line Hue. Satele-out, Carlisle-out, Barnes-out. Wiz to center, Heyer to LG, Barksdale to RT and do something with BCampbell – play him or dump his a$$. If he plays put him at RG.
• NO MORE I ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS LOSS SPEECHES without an accompanying $100,000. fine on yourself Hue.
• Your next man up approach sounds good but doesn’t work. Fix it!
• Hire Bill Romanowski as the new team Motivation speaker. He’s should throw in his 25¢ worth before every game. He should be allowed to throw people under the bus figuratively speaking or in actuality, if necessary.
• DID I MENTION THAT DENVER LOST BUT STILL WON? FUK! TEBOW DID NOTHING BUT STILL WON! FUK!
• The Raiders don’t deserve sellouts with this level of POOR HOME PERFORMANCE.
• My guess is that you get one more year Hue, and then you really will be held accountable. Your first measured action will be to see how long it takes to FIRE BRESNAHAN. A Fassell firing might also be a consideration too!
Needless to say Hue, your failures today really pissed me and tens of thousands of others off. I want some asses kicked publicly, please get to it immediately!
December 17th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Your 8-8 teams from last year:
Bears, Eagles, Cowboys, Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers, Chargers, Broncos, Jets.
Outside of Denver, I don’t think any of the others will make the playoffs.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Anybody past the 2nd grade can figure out 8 wins is twice 4 wins.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
I heard Jamarcus had a wonderlic of 26.
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It was 24. He also had a cannon arm. Nobody doubted JaWalrus’s arm or his intelligence. He lacked where the Tin Man did: He had no heart.
But he filled that void with some $30M+ in guaranteed money.
It just goes to show that the QB position takes way above average traits in many areas: the head, the arm, the size, the reflexes — plus it takes work ethic and desire. Leave any one of those out and you’re looking at very long odds to succeed at the NFL level.
In college, you can swap out a big brain for really fast wheels and just run yourself out of trouble that others think their way out of. And then that fools a whole bunch of dreamers into thinking that will translate into the NFL.
And that brings us to Pryor and the Raiders blog …
December 17th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
GG Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:04 pm
“I’ve taken this thing on all year and, look, bottom line is, we don’t tackle very well in the secondary, we don’t make the plays that you have to make in the secondary to be very successful. We’re not where we need to be yet. It’s my job, and I’m going to get it fixed.”
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lol @ Hue STILL trying to sell the “im going to get it fixed.” You blew it, had all season.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Ahhh digging up post game rage. Keep em honest in here lol.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Hue Jackson is “pissed” at team, wants more power
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 2, 2012, 10:44 AM EST
Getty Images
Raiders coach Hue Jackson didn’t take Oakland’s latest defensive collapse well.
While he occasionally made a weak effort to take responsibility for his team’s loss, Jackson generally threw his team under the bus in a manner you don’t normally see from head coaches.
“I’m pissed at my team,” Jackson said after the game via the Oakland Tribune. “At some point in time, as a group of men, you go in the game, and you can say whatever you want about coaches, you win the game. Here’s your time. Here’s your time to make plays.
“We didn’t get ‘em stopped. And we didn’t make enough plays. So, yeah, I’m pissed at the team. I’m also, like I tell them, I’ll always put it on me, but I am pissed at my team. Because when you have those kinds of opportunities, you’ve got to do it, and we didn’t do it.”
Translation: I’ll always put it on me, except when I totally put it on you guys.
Jackson seems especially upset with his defense. (For good reason.) We wouldn’t expect to see defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan back next year.
“Chuck knows how I feel,” Jackson said. “I’m disappointed over there. I have been. It’s not like we haven’t had conversations. Chuck knows what I feel, and it’s not good enough. . . . When you play defense in the NFL, man, you got to hunt. You can’t give up 28, 29 points and expect to win.”
Translation: That’s Bresnahan’s defense. Got it?
Jackson’s solution for all the problems: More Hue Jackson.
“I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization,” Jackson said. “There ain’t no way that I’m going to feel like I feel today a year from now, I promise you that. There’s no question. Defensively, offensively and special teams. I aint feeling like this no more. This is a joke. . . . Yeah, I’m going to take a hand in everything that goes on here.”
Translation: I haven’t fully considered all the implications of what could happen when the Raiders hire a personnel man to be my boss.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Ahhh digging up post game rage. Keep em honest in here lol.
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Yep. Notice how some of those now praising Hue were the same ones last Jan who cried for his head?
December 17th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
“I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization,”
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As was par for the course with Hue, on 3rd and 2 he heaved it 50 yards down the field and failed miserably.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
EVEN HUE KNOWS HE BLEW IT.
Hue Jackson wishes he could take back his final press conference
Posted by Michael David Smith on January 11, 2012, 7:00 PM EST
Reuters
After losing his final game as the Raiders’ head coach, Hue Jackson said he was “pissed” at his team and that he would be making changes. As it turned out, the Raiders were the ones making changes, firing Jackson perhaps because owner Mark Davis and G.M. Reggie McKenzie were displeased about those comments.
Now that Jackson has had a chance to simmer down, he says he wishes he hadn’t lashed out at that final press conference.
“I wish I could take it back and say it differently so people could really understand what I was trying to say,” Jackson said today on NFL Network. “I wasn’t trying to say that I wanted to take total control of everything.”
December 17th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
aig-raiders Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
you know hue regerets the palmer trade now even more than he did watching those horrendous intercptions from the sideline
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And here I was thinking you were regretting thinking Hue was your boy. Remember a black coach in Oak benched your black QB 3 times for a white qb. Too funny. Hue must be a racist huh?
December 17th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Hues Manicurist Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Ahhh digging up post game rage. Keep em honest in here lol.
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Yep. Notice how some of those now praising Hue were the same ones last Jan who cried for his head?
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Once you’ve been infected with acute kneejerkitis, it’s a hard thing to shake.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Johnny,
Our kickoff and punt coverage units are massively improved from last year.
Punt returns……eh, don’t ask.
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Fair enuff. It was an honest question. I think he’s gonna be here for a little while and am honestly looking for things to be encouraged about.
The offseason is coming soon enough and I want to go into it with the usual quantities of koolaid.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Al would have fired him on the spot for wanting more power and bad mouthing the team.
No suprise.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Albert Says:
January 11th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Harbaugh didn’t make rookie mistakes like Hue Jackson did. That is just a lame excuse. Jackson made too many stupid calls and did too much shady sh*t. He got himself fired.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Did this new regime fix something that we are unaware of? Is that that you are throwing such a fit about Hue?
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Hues Manicurist Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
December 17th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Hues Manicurist Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Albert Says:
January 11th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Harbaugh didn’t make rookie mistakes like Hue Jackson did. That is just a lame excuse. Jackson made too many stupid calls and did too much shady sh*t. He got himself fired.
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Who were you before you cross-posted to Hues Manucurist, cross posting btch?
December 17th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
I think he’s gonna be here for a little while and am honestly looking for things to be encouraged about.
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So far, we have mastered the penalty issue, covering a punt with our new all world gunner (Taiwan), and beating the Chiefs.
Baby steps.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Hundreds more stating loud and clear they are glad my little “toejam” got fired last year.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] The trick for Raiders is doing it again With the grand vision of a team that relies on a strong running game and a stout defense finally coming into focus, Raiders coach Dennis Allen contemplated the next step Monday. [...]
December 17th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Hues Manicurist Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Hundreds more stating loud and clear they are glad my little “toejam” got fired last year.
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Yup, everyone was saying it.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Hues Manicurist Says: December 17th, 2012 at 7:07 pmJONTRAIN Says:December 17th, 2012 at 7:06 pmAhhh digging up post game rage. Keep em honest in here lol.
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Yep. Notice how some of those now praising Hue were the same ones last Jan who cried for his head?
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Yep. Except me. Hue deserved another year. I was surprised by his firing…and I briefly bought into the RMac is a real gm therefore we will be better… ugh.
I would just like something about DA to give me some hope. And I cant find it.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
JLofty Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Mark goes to the same hair stylist as Kell’s wife I see…
The I DON’T CARE HOW UGLY MY HAIR LOOKS cut.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Hues Manicurist Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Ahhh digging up post game rage. Keep em honest in here lol.
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Yep. Notice how some of those now praising Hue were the same ones last Jan who cried for his head?
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There’s a difference between being critical and calling for a guys head.
I admit a ton of my posts are knee jerk reactions…spur of the moment blurts.
You should hear me during some of the games….i’m a total jerk.
I think I said all the players should immediately walk out of the Coluseum and shoot themselves after a particularly painful loss.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Hues Manicurist Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Albert Says:
January 11th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Harbaugh didn’t make rookie mistakes like Hue Jackson did. That is just a lame excuse. Jackson made too many stupid calls and did too much shady sh*t. He got himself fired.
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Who were you before you cross-posted to Hues Manucurist, cross posting btch?
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Everytime you open your mouth, someone takes glee in shutting it up, while you slinker off.
You expect anything different now?
December 17th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Hues Manicurist Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
JLofty Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Mark goes to the same hair stylist as Kell’s wife I see…
The I DON’T CARE HOW UGLY MY HAIR LOOKS cut.
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Ok “Hues Manicurist” i think it’s only fair that you identify yourself so we can dig into the archives from some of your posts to answer to.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
.* for
December 17th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
2romes Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Did this new regime fix something that we are unaware of? Is that that you are throwing such a fit about Hue?
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Hues Manicurist Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
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Recalled that when Hue left, most agreed. Now all you see is everyone acting like they wanted to keep Hue all along.
Looking back it turns out most were ready to move on, after Hue, with no regrets.
Until now.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Hues Manucurist, cross posting btch?
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Everytime you open your mouth, someone takes glee in shutting it up, while you slinker off.
You expect anything different now?
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Shut up cross-posting btch.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
All the fuming bitterness about Hue is not going to make DA’s record any better. Reggie and DA got to do that by winning. Hues Manicurist, how do you grade your boys. you can compare and contrast with Hue.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Animal welfare: Germany moves to ban bestiality
Germany’s ruling coalition is calling for a ban on bestiality – or the practice of having sex with animals.
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Heard that your wife had this thing for labradors. No surprise you keep up on where your wife is safe from prosecution.
Good on ya, mate.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Most of the Raiders fans wanted the Raiders to get better no matter who the head coach was or is. I don’t feel that way with you.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Gee Koolkell, you’ve been running your racist crap for years, haven’t you?
KoolKell Says:
April 5th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Poor White Men vote Republican/Corporate against their own economic interests for one reason and one reason only. Race.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
It’s getting confusing in here. I think Hue’s Manicurist is someone i’ve probably gotten along fine with in the past.
This fakeKell guy…that’s a mystery. Some of you guys are good at impersonating people.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
More race baiting from the resident unemployed racist.
KoolKell Says:
April 5th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Or Put it like this:
White Men who work for wages vote Republican/Corporate against their own economic interests for one reason and one reason only. Race.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Hues Manicurist Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
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Heard that your wife had this thing for labradors. No surprise you keep up on where your wife is safe from prosecution.
Good on ya, mate.
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Whatever, you cross-posting btch
December 17th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
2romes Says: December 17th, 2012 at 7:25 pmAll the fuming bitterness about Hue is not going to make DA’s record any better. Reggie and DA got to do that by winning. Hues Manicurist, how do you grade your boys. you can compare and contrast with Hue
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Exactly. Somebody please tell me how DA has been a better coach. I can think of 2: penalties and challenges. Thats it.
The only common thread in the only two non losing seasons we’ve had. In the last decade is HueJax
December 17th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
April 5th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
White Men (generally speaking) would rather blow this country to kingdom come, rather than make community with American minorities.
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And yet you proudly state a white woman supports you, while you sit at home, doing nothing?
hypocrite
December 17th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
You know Rex Ryan is just dying to play Tebow more. It’s why he drafted him in the 1st place, but he’s scared of the flak he’ll get from the media pundits.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
April 6th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Not only are you angry, stupid, lazy, and unsuccessful in your career your a blatant liar as well.
Quite a list KKKell..
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2 1/2 yrs ago.
Funny that nothing has changed, has it?
You’re still angry. Stupid. Lazy. and very unsuccessful.
Sucks to be you, fool.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
I warned you, Kell. You just aren’t bright enough to know when to shut the hell up.
And now you’re being laughed at.
Like always.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Didn’t know KoolBlob was a Reg fan.
You haven’t changed, have you?
KoolKell Says:
January 11th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 11th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Duck
I’m disappointed with Mark for having ONE interview. Not even learning anything from other interviews for future reference?
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Reggie McKenzie came with the blessing of Ron Wolf and John Madden, ok? I think that’s good enough for anybody.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Hues Manicurist Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Animal welfare: Germany moves to ban bestiality
Germany’s ruling coalition is calling for a ban on bestiality – or the practice of having sex with animals.
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Heard that your wife had this thing for labradors. No surprise you keep up on where your wife is safe from prosecution.
Good on ya, mate.
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Hue. That sounded like that Australian character who popped on for a few nights…’Chips O Toole’.
I liked him. He was an ok ‘bloke’…always ready with a quick “good day mate” and always willing to “put another shrimp on the barbie” for a fellow poster.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Gruden has had it with this booth crap,..I would love him back in Oakland,..not happnin however,..bummer,..but I have fath in Reggie and DA, and Knapp and Tarver. Dang though, Gruden back would be something.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Kell: ‘oops. should have shut up. Now I have nothing in reply. I’ll wait a bit, then pretend I didn’t read the comments, and sneak back in. Sure hope he doesn’t repost them.”
December 17th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
the Raiders could finish… gulp… 6-10
Only 2 games off last year’s pace while installing a new offense, defense, front office, and coaching staff, along with a large turnover in the roster.
Lord help us… lol
Please fire Knapp!!! (There must be a better option to run the ZBS, right?)
December 17th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 11th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Hue Jackson wishes he could take back his final press conference
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/11/hue-jackson-wishes-he-co uld-take-back-his-final-press-conference/
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ANYONE WHO DOUBTS WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN RID OF HUE? see KoolKell. He’s now on the “gtfoh hue’ wagon. Just like he was a year ago.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
McKenzie is mentored by Ron Wolf, and blessed by John Madden.
Best day for the Raiders in many years.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Mark needs to take charge here, not be a cheapskate regarding DA’s contract, not listen to the now-nothing media preaching stability and talk to Gruden about a return.
I think Gruden wants back in and he wants back in in Oakland. It’ll take some dough and Reggie may need to be humbled, maybe just run the entire scouting program and work with Gruden on making decisions but not have final say.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
• KoolKell Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Reggie McKenzie is a dream come true. Mentored by Ron Wolf?!? C’mon.
Finally, competent football management.
Soooooo happy.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
You’re too easy, KowardlyKell.
Just like I said.
Now gulp, bich, and get the dishes done.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
If I got nothin good to say about five field goals and no touch downs against a bad team, then I better not say nothin at all. I mean, think about it. We barely beat KC. If they had anybody but Quinn, two TD and a FG and we lose. But DA saving grace was KC did a better job of tanking the Toilet Bowl than we did. This shoulda been a blow out win or loss, not going toe to toe with them. Couldn’t even get into the end zone. That’s progress folks. Embrace it.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Reggie is in charge of the roster, not the coaching staff,..he only hired Allen, Allen hired the rest. If you think Reggie at all is thinking of making any coaching changes youre wrong,..all Reggie is thinking about is who to get rid of in three weeks,..at least 20 will be canned,…Reggie likes what he sees from this staff,…and so do I. I wanted Gruden back but got it confirmed hes not, so if this staff is good enough for Reggie its fine by me. Just take out the trash Reggie. Uh huh.
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So you ever think Reggie “likes what he sees” because he doesn’t want to admit his fu**up?
December 17th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 you lose all credibility when you say Hue is a decent OC & Knapp is a good OC….There is nothing visually or statistically that supports that statement.
December 17th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Burton Guster Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
If I got nothin good to say about five field goals and no touch downs against a bad team, then I better not say nothin at all. I mean, think about it. We barely beat KC. If they had anybody but Quinn, two TD and a FG and we lose. But DA saving grace was KC did a better job of tanking the Toilet Bowl than we did. This shoulda been a blow out win or loss, not going toe to toe with them. Couldn’t even get into the end zone. That’s progress folks. Embrace it.
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It’s progress to this staff & its lemmings.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Gruden… Blew it tuck rule game. He calls a time out on field goal so they can clear the snow? Stupidity!
December 17th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
DMAC busts a hundred yards and we don’t get into the end zone. Stats lie. Embrace the futility. It’s gonna be here at least another year unless Gruden shows up.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
I did notice DA’s little perkies this weekend for the first time. Hilarious.
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He definitely has the tit factor.
Needs a training bra and a new OC.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Dmac can’t get a first down on short yardage is why we weren’t in end zone. He’s gone for sure…. Green Bay doesn’t pay top $ for RB especially when injured a lot.its smart. Very few Stay healthy
December 17th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Gruden… Blew it tuck rule game. He calls a time out on field goal so they can clear the snow? Stupidity!
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That is true. How ever I felt the refs let the Pats tamper with the field, if you will. And did you know after the Raiders got on the plane to go home they were stuck on the runway for five hours due to blizzard conditions. Very painful night.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
They would have probably missed that kick there was so much snow!
December 17th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Sanchez is almost as bad as knapp.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Da doesnt compare with Hue in any way, but I guess you like the current staff and how they’ve performed, have fun with that.
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Allen is going to be back next year. The team has played hard now at the end of the year. Let’s see how this thing goes next year and then we can compare it to what a loser Jackson was.
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Haha. Really? I thought you were more knowledgeable than that.. We played against the worst team in the league, one of the worst teams of all time. At home. After getting absolutely spanked for numerous games in a row, game after game, not too long ago. And you’re praising the team for playing hard at the end of the year? Against that garbage? And only scoring 15 points? And they’re playing hard?
LOL. You people really make me wonder sometimes…
December 17th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Hues Manicurist Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
You’re too easy, KowardlyKell.
Just like I said.
Now gulp, bich, and get the dishes done.
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Sickening cross-posting Btch.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
I know some of you guys aren’t as dumb as you play on to be. I think you’re just trying to play devil’s advocate.
At least, that’s what I hope.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
What was the last year we WON the Superbowl?
December 17th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
I hear you Chris. I though 50/50 or 8-8 was stable. But if Reggie and DA can somehow stablize THIS SEASONS record this will be first. Miracles happen?
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Chris in NY Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Mark needs to take charge here, not be a cheapskate regarding DA’s contract, not listen to the now-nothing media preaching stability.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
The only people who remember Super Bowl losers or playoff contenders are their fans
December 17th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
I will be shocked if Reggie allows certain coaching members back in the building next year. How optomistic can you be after witnessing the futility yesterday. I mean, not a touch down against the worst team in the league. Either Reggie embraces the misery of not being able to score, or in his mind, he’s already settled the account.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Trapp,…I never said Knapp was a decent OC,..I said hes a good one,..he would be great if he had decent receivers and backs. The Raiders offense is struggling because the players suck,..they have a great qb and the O line is coming together,..but the receivers and backs are the worst in the league. Yup.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Burton Guster Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
I will be shocked if Reggie allows certain coaching members back in the building next year. How optomistic can you be after witnessing the futility yesterday. I mean, not a touch down against the worst team in the league. Either Reggie embraces the misery of not being able to score, or in his mind, he’s already settled the account.
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It would actually be good if he went Al on us. You know admit you made a mistake with your coaching hire & go in new direction.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
What was the last year we WON the Superbowl?
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Oakland 38
Redskins 9
That was a football game!
December 17th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Trapp,…I never said Knapp was a decent OC,..I said hes a good one,..he would be great if he had decent receivers and backs. The Raiders offense is struggling because the players suck,..they have a great qb and the O line is coming together,..but the receivers and backs are the worst in the league. Yup.
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Uhhhhh….this is what I said
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 you lose all credibility when you say Hue is a decent OC & Knapp is a good OC….There is nothing visually or statistically that supports that statement.
How come we didn’t have the worst WR’s & RB’s last year–BTW, Jax & KC are worse==? You do remember we were top 10 in rushing the past 2 years right? Kind of hard to do that with the worst RB’s in the league. You should have asked Chubby Checker that one.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Only a true loser would take so much pride in shutting out a team that tried everything they could NOT to score. Dennis Allen is pumping his chest out like he accomplished something. That stupid, smug look he had on the sidelines like he was doin a “helluva coaching” job irritated the hell out of me. The Cheifs could have kicked FG’s twice, and chose NOT to, because they were basically playing an exhibition game. This guy Allen can not be serious. Either he thinks everyone else is really stupid, or HE is just that stupid. I’m officially checked out as a Raiders fan until this guy is no longer the head coach. This is just embarrassing to even root for a team with such a twirp for a head coach.
Who’s next?
By the way, if those were “the packages” of plays that Dennis Allen has been hollerin about having ready for Pryor all season, my goodness, even more proof these guys dont know what theyre doing. Basically take Palmer out for a series, to let Pryor run the SAME PLAYS you run with Palmer? Such a creative package of plays.
Please, Mark, Reggie, whoever. Get rid of this weasel.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
It would actually be good if he went Al on us. You know admit you made a mistake with your coaching hire & go in new direction.
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1st step in redemption. Confessing your mistakes in order to become better. Not that hard to do. Not at all.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Reggie cant cut them all in year one,..he cut a bunch and will cut a bunch more in three weeks. All good.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
I think DA is on the hot seat, and knows it. He needed that measly win yesterday.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Reggie cant cut them all in year one,..he cut a bunch and will cut a bunch more in three weeks. All good.
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Exactly, it’s working out so WELL so far.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Only a true loser would take so much pride in shutting out a team that tried everything they could NOT to score. Dennis Allen is pumping his chest out like he accomplished something. That stupid, smug look he had on the sidelines like he was doin a “helluva coaching” job irritated the hell out of me. The Cheifs could have kicked FG’s twice, and chose NOT to, because they were basically playing an exhibition game. This guy Allen can not be serious. Either he thinks everyone else is really stupid, or HE is just that stupid. I’m officially checked out as a Raiders fan until this guy is no longer the head coach. This is just embarrassing to even root for a team with such a twirp for a head coach.
Who’s next?
By the way, if those were “the packages” of plays that Dennis Allen has been hollerin about having ready for Pryor all season, my goodness, even more proof these guys dont know what theyre doing. Basically take Palmer out for a series, to let Pryor run the SAME PLAYS you run with Palmer? Such a creative package of plays.
Please, Mark, Reggie, whoever. Get rid of this weasel.
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I hear ya. This bafoon returns I already told my woman no Bay Area trip next year…and she loves Chinatown.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
This is a year to take out the trash,..the rebuiding starts in about three weeks. Yup.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
After Reg takes out the trash,
Tell him the men’s room needs cleaning too.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
I think DA is on the hot seat, and knows it. He needed that measly win yesterday.
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That measly win was unimpressive. No touch downs. Futile. That may have been a win and the books, but it was a no TD win. Embrace the ugliness.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Beating KC is never a measly win to the Raiders…and to shut them out?…they loved it,..the old Raider legends loved it,..I talked to quite a few pregame yesterday,…its a measly win to you crybabies, not to the Raiders and the legends. Yup.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
So who is Reg going to replace all hese guys he’s cutting with?
Doesn’t have all his picks in April, and doesn’t have a track record of successful FA’s so far.
Wheeler being he sole FA bright spot, and he’s a UFA.
Tollefson, Briesel, Lee, Bartell, spencer…
Guys off the street aren’t guaranteed to succeed any better.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
This is a year to take out the trash,..the rebuiding starts in about three weeks. Yup.
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And his best rookie is a FA who caught 19 balls his senior season. A total H/W/S guy but Tits doesn’t want any more of those, he wants the Nathan Stupar’s of the world.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Trade Carson Palmer to the Jets. Set up a bidding contest between Jets and Cardinals
Raiders can get 2nd rounder back for sure!
December 17th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
So who is Reg going to replace all hese guys he’s cutting with?
Doesn’t have all his picks in April, and doesn’t have a track record of successful FA’s so far.
Wheeler being he sole FA bright spot, and he’s a UFA.
Tollefson, Briesel, Lee, Bartell, spencer…
Guys off the street aren’t guaranteed to succeed any better.
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He’s missing a 2nd rounder and a 5th i believe.
Some tough decisions have to be made. I’d rather see a gutting of MOST of this roster.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Trade Carson Palmer to the Jets. Set up a bidding contest between Jets and Cardinals
Raiders can get 2nd rounder back for sure!
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Who’s our QB then?
December 17th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Mark Sanchez… jeez!
Read Sexy Rexy’s lips as he came off the field after that debacle: “F-this bullsh*t”.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Rex Ryan > Dennis Allen
December 17th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Burton Guster Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Sanchez is almost as bad as knapp.
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Knapp might push for Sanchez to come aboard. Lol.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Imagine Rex Ryan and Hue Jackson on the same coaching staff!?
The Hubris pedicure sessions would be must-see with Ryan in the room!
December 17th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Who’s the QB if Carson is traded?
Hopefully a draft pick. If not a draft pick, maybe Pryor, Leinart or some free agent.
Raiders need draft picks and cap room. Jets and Cardinals have teams ready to compete now but lack a QB.
Raiders can go 5-11 for far less thanCarson’s 2013 salary. Raiders have to literally rebuild a roster full of busts, check cashers and the undertalented.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Trade Carson Palmer to the Jets. Set up a bidding contest between Jets and Cardinals
Raiders can get 2nd rounder back for sure!
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Who’s our QB then?
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Pryor. We win one game next year. Yippeee!!! Problem solved!
December 17th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
If Palmer trade scenario happens, don’t be surprised Reggie McKenzie take Kansas State’s Collin Klein late in the draft.
Remember hearing Raider scouts eyeing Klein.
The K-State QBs stock has plummeted as of late with many draft pundits calling him no better than a 5th round pick.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
All this talk of trading Palmer is foolish. You think Leinart can win 8 games next season? Crazy.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Who’s the QB if Carson is traded?
Hopefully a draft pick. If not a draft pick, maybe Pryor, Leinart or some free agent.
Raiders need draft picks and cap room. Jets and Cardinals have teams ready to compete now but lack a QB.
Raiders can go 5-11 for far less thanCarson’s 2013 salary. Raiders have to literally rebuild a roster full of busts, check cashers and the undertalented.
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Carson isn’t going anywhere because McK and Allen know if they don’t put a decent team on the field next season and fill up the stadium, they might be scraping for a job in 2014.
Mark Davis is related to Al ya know.
McFadden isn’t going anywhere either. Pryor is the dude that could get traded. Maybe some desperate GM plays as much Madden as the Pryor-Cheerleaders!
December 17th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Raiders are not winning games with a roster full of check cashers,draft busts and low talent vets.
The raiders aren’t winning next year. I am not interested in seeing Carson, at age 33/34 making some $15M to go 6-10.
Time to pressure wash this roster and get some talent
I am not at all excited about a team with an 8 win ceiling. And 8 wins is very generous, most likely 6.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Palmer is going to be the starter in Oakland next season.
Interesting to see if they keep Pryor or add another QB via draft or free agency.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Gdog You must play a lot of Madden because you’re the only one in here always referring to it.
The real GM’s I doubt have ever played Madden. I can;t even think of how Madden could figure into anything at all. But maybe I’m wrong let me expert…
December 17th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Beach Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
All this talk of trading Palmer is foolish. You think Leinart can win 8 games next season? Crazy.
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Raiders will NEVER win with Palmer just like the Jets will NEVER win with Sanchez. Palmer is not worth $17 mil a year and needs to take a huge pay cut or get cut.
These USC QB’s suck.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
I wouldn’t mind seeing Matt Moore as a back-up to Palmer.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
For all you clowns that said Palmer has no value I hope you watched that fiasco with Sanchez. Palmer would be worth his weight in gold to them right about now. But they traded the farm for Dirty Sanchez and Teblows. Sucks to be them.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Raiders are not winning games with a roster full of check cashers,draft busts and low talent vets.
The raiders aren’t winning next year. I am not interested in seeing Carson, at age 33/34 making some $15M to go 6-10.
Time to pressure wash this roster and get some talent
I am not at all excited about a team with an 8 win ceiling. And 8 wins is very generous, most likely 6.
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Hey genius how do suppose they fill the roster? With imaginary players??
December 17th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
One question that needs to be answered is what AVAILABLE QB in the league (or out) would do better than Palmer IF we kept the current roster?
I don’t think Palmer should get moved UNLESS AND UNTIL you have the QB you really want to come in and take over.
Don’t just get rid of Palmer to put in some schlep and pretend he’s the answer.
If the Jets would give us a #2 pick for him than u could make that deal and free up some money, but i don’t think anybody’s taking Palmers contract.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Jameel McClain another FA the Raiders should take a look at.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
I would like to see Pryor play a good quarter.
This team needs a future and Carson and Leinart aren’t it. Nice to see if Pryor has it or not
Look, this team, especially with that Knapp at OC is going anywhere next year.
Can the Raiders actually TRY to build a team from the ground up. The band aid approach doesn’t work
December 17th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
* wrong year. Sorry!
December 17th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
al davis drafted pryor for a simple reason: he’s a physical freak of nature. i’m sure al thought “hey, if he’s a qb, then great. if not, he can be an amazing wr.”
the raiders looked pretty good against the chiefs. running game improved, and so did dmc. the defense did well. holding the chiefs to 10 yards rushing is a big deal. but of course, the chiefs are possibly the worst team in the nfl, so u have to take that into consideration. but the raiders’ performance shouldn’t be dismissed either. it was a very good step forward.
i absolutely believe that having mcclain off the field was a huge part of it. not only is he not there to handicap the defense, but the message that it won’t be tolerated seemed to put a spring in players’ steps.
burris and wheeler played very inspired (gaither isn’t doing much, but at least he’s not a cancer). houston played very hard. guys like adams and ross are playing very hard. even huff and kelly seemed to be flying to the ball.
another serious contributor was andre carter. i told u guys i really liked his addition. it has taken a bit for him to get up to speed, and he’s still not where he once was, but he’s a real good guy with a great attitude. basically, he has replaced shaughnessy, and he got a lot of pressure on quinn.
cutting a cancer out always helps the body feel better and thrive.
little by little, the staff has been making some good changes and responding to players who have not performed.
shaugnessy out for carter
bilukidi/bryant for seymour (injury-necessitated)
mcclain out
bartell/spencer out for adams/ross
streater getting serious time
stewart looking like a keeper
myers having a breakout year
perhaps in time, this staff will make us believers.
i know a win certainly makes u feel better about things.
but now we will go on the road to face to pretty bad teams. not as bad KC, and probably better than us, but we will see how it looks.
if the team wins the next two, it will be a nice finish and have us feeling optimistic. 6-10 wouldn’t be a big deal but it would be a whole lot better than how it’s been (including 1-4 to finish last season).
December 17th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Jets are paying 8.5 mill for Sanchez, do u think the New York media would let Woody sleep at night if they brought in Palmer for 13 mill?
December 17th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Raiders are not winning games with a roster full of check cashers,draft busts and low talent vets.
The raiders aren’t winning next year. I am not interested in seeing Carson, at age 33/34 making some $15M to go 6-10.
Time to pressure wash this roster and get some talent
I am not at all excited about a team with an 8 win ceiling. And 8 wins is very generous, most likely 6.
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Hey genius how do suppose they fill the roster? With imaginary players??
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hehe, I think some fans here think Marcus Allen is going to suit back up for one more good year. Or maybe Nap Kaufman will give us one more.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Priesttj,
Get players by freeing up cap space to sign free agents that aren’t scraping the barrell; use the draft and find a gem or two from the undrafted free agents.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Jets are paying 8.5 mill for Sanchez, do u think the New York media would let Woody sleep at night if they brought in Palmer for 13 mill?
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I can tell you no one is sleeping in NY after Sanchez turned it over five times in a must win game. The waiver wire in the Big Apple is probably white hot right about now…
December 17th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
It’s been a long time since the Raiders had a homegrown QB — a signal caller the team drafted and helped become a winner.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
RaidO Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Beach Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
All this talk of trading Palmer is foolish. You think Leinart can win 8 games next season? Crazy.
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Raiders will NEVER win with Palmer just like the Jets will NEVER win with Sanchez. Palmer is not worth $17 mil a year and needs to take a huge pay cut or get cut.
These USC QB’s suck.
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very dumb. the difference between the two is like the difference between steve young and marc wilson/robbie bosco.
plamer’s very good. sanchez is very bad. in fact, i think rex ryan should be fired simply for refusing to see the obvious and continuing to go with sanchez instead of learning from denver last year, and realizing putting tebow in could have rallied the team.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
I’m always looking for a reason to drink the koolaid.
It’ll be very interesting to see how this team performs the next two games.
If we lose, it’ll show the KC game was just us beating a horrible team and nothing more. If we win..it’ll have some saying we turned somewhat of a corner and add to the optimism as Dr. Robert points out.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Jets are paying 8.5 mill for Sanchez, do u think the New York media would let Woody sleep at night if they brought in Palmer for 13 mill?
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I can tell you no one is sleeping in NY after Sanchez turned it over five times in a must win game. The waiver wire in the Big Apple is probably white hot right about now…
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I think Palmer would be a huge upgrade for the Jets. I’m just saying it would be a tough sell to the fanbase for them to bring in a 33 yr. old veteran coming from a bad football team.
Palmer has had some serious badluck playing for Cincy and then jumping into…this.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Truth be told if you could add 10-12 talented players to this present roster in the right places it would have a huge impact. But that is extremely difficult to do. It would be outstanding if you added 7-9 players who could have an impact that would be outstanding and could easily change the fortunes of this team.
A edge rusher or two another young DT. A great young corner like XRhodes a great you WR and a RT plus a TE and a stout MLB and it would improve this team exponentially.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
The team is playing hard. We do have some guys that want to play in the National Football League for the Oakland Raiders. That’s good. This admin is going to get this thing on the right track. There is no doubt about that. Just cut the dead wood. McFadden is next…
December 17th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
palmer is very likely to be here next season for a couple reasons:
they have said as much.
it’s not easy to find good qb’s and making a change could set the team back even further.
it would be bad press for them to get a 2nd rounder after giving away so much for him.
my guess is that pryor won’t cut it, and they may try to convert him in the offseason to wr. it could be a great move.
depending on where we end up in the draft, i could see us trading down, getting a 2nd rounder, and drafting a qb to be the future. i’m not sure why geno smith fell off the heisman radar. he had a great year. he was the early frontrunner. i think he might be a good one. i don’t care for barkley. i don’t like his arm strength.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Truth be told if you could add 10-12 talented players to this present roster in the right places it would have a huge impact. But that is extremely difficult to do.
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Especially without a full draft slate. Possibly trading one or two guys for picks, signing one or two FA’s, and finding one or two undrafted guys, we might, might, get 8 or 9 guys.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Raider(since 1967)
Reggie and Mark Davis should make a decision on Firing Knapp! Real soon and make Al Saunder Of coach !
This will make the Team happy and the Fans will remove their
Brown bags of their heads.
Fan will soon forget and start buying Season tickets !
December 17th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Truth be told if you could add 10-12 talented players to this present roster in the right places it would have a huge impact. But that is extremely difficult to do. It would be outstanding if you added 7-9 players who could have an impact that would be outstanding and could easily change the fortunes of this team.
A edge rusher or two another young DT. A great young corner like XRhodes a great you WR and a RT plus a TE and a stout MLB and it would improve this team exponentially.
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ur correct! it’s a festivus miracle!
i have said i think we need 12 picks in the draft. maybe 3 good FA’s and a handful of quality-depth FA’s to fill the roster. 20 new players.
it can turn around quickly if the right guys are brought in.
i’m optimistic that sunday was the beginning.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
palmer is very likely to be here next season for a couple reasons:
they have said as much.
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Palmer has been ridiculously good this year. Considering he has had basically NO running game. And who are his receivers? Would one of them start for ANY other team in the league? Is Myers as good as we think or is some of that Carson Palmer? And let’s not forget the Oline has taken 12 weeks to figure it out. + Gregg “Taking A” Knapp’s new offense hasn’t exactly lit up the world.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Dr. Robert – well said.
This team is still fighting, and that says everything I need to know about the coaches.
Knapp still needs to go though…
December 17th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
The team is playing hard. We do have some guys that want to play in the National Football League for the Oakland Raiders. That’s good. This admin is going to get this thing on the right track. There is no doubt about that. Just cut the dead wood. McFadden is next…
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i came into the season pizzed off that my buddy snatched dmc in the first round of our fantasy draft before i could. but he looked awful. i’ve been convinced he wasn’t the same. he still has some issues at times, but sunday, he looked very different. perhaps it was the chiefs. but if he plays like he did sunday, he’s a must-keep. simply cuz we won’t get equal value back. only if we could mjd in an even swap.
solomon wilcotts said something i have never heard or thought of, but i think he’s right. dmc needs to be part of a 2-back offense. he needs to basically be a 3rd down back. he’s a great receiver and his touches would decrease, limiting injuries (hopefully), and keeping him charged. maybe goodson is that guy. maybe reece is that guy. maybe all three.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Chargers fans want Hue Jackson, who may become their next HC.
529: Carson Palmer is Jeff George all over again.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Derek
Speaking of the Bolts… that Ryan Mathews is indeed made of glass. He’s breaking bones left and right. Another busted collarbone…
December 17th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
San Diego wouldn’t be able to handle Hue. He is very oakland/south central-like. San Diegans would be piss their panties every time he opened his mouth.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Derek Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Chargers fans want Hue Jackson, who may become their next HC.
529: Carson Palmer is Jeff George all over again.
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??? I live in San Diego and have never heard his name ever mentioned. The names being thrown around here on the air waves by fans and talking heads are Reid, Cowher, Gruden, Billeck.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
palmer is very likely to be here next season for a couple reasons:
they have said as much.
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Palmer has been ridiculously good this year. Considering he has had basically NO running game. And who are his receivers? Would one of them start for ANY other team in the league? Is Myers as good as we think or is some of that Carson Palmer? And let’s not forget the Oline has taken 12 weeks to figure it out. + Gregg “Taking A” Knapp’s new offense hasn’t exactly lit up the world.
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palmer has been very impressive. yes, he has made some ill-advised throws, probably cuz he’s forcing it at times, trying to make it work. but he has done a philip rivers (when he was good), by having big yardage with poor wr’s.
dhb and moore aren’t fully formed yet but they’re also not particularly good at this point. the line has been very bad most of the time. no run game.
myers was a solid receiver in college. but palmer has helped him flourish, and he’s not really that skilled. good hands and he gets open, so that’s good.
i have seen palmer make some fantastic throws and very quick decisions. he’s good, man.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
I like McFadden I have always liked McFadden but the other backs have been much more productive. If we would have gone with the other backs earlier in the season I would bet the farm title we would have more wins.
The new org was brought in to run their systems. I have said this dozens of times on this site: they are not here to tailor their beliefs to this 10 loss roster. They are here to bring winning systems to this org. And if the players don’t like it, can’t do it, or won’t buy in, they will find players that will.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Derek Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Chargers fans want Hue Jackson, who may become their next HC.
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Oh fantastic…Maybe the Chiefs can hire Gruden and we can go 0-6 in the division every year.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Tonedeezy Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Dr. Robert – well said.
This team is still fighting, and that says everything I need to know about the coaches.
Knapp still needs to go though…
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yes, i’m not very high on knapp, specifically cuz i don’t like some of the things i’ve heard him say. tarver may be back tough.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
The raiders aren’t winning next year. I am not interested in seeing Carson, at age 33/34 making some $15M to go 6-10.
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Is that supposed to be old or something?
Two of the best QB’s in the league are currently 35 and 36. Brady and Manning.
And with a better line, a real OC, and a real number one WR, no way this team goes 6-10 next year.
Whats that, 3 players and a coach? RG, RT, and WR. Not hard to do in the NFL. A new franchise QB is.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Derek Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Chargers fans want Hue Jackson, who may become their next HC.
529: Carson Palmer is Jeff George all over again.
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first of all, george was always vilified more than he should have been,
secondly, palmer’s career stats are far superior to george’s.
thirdly, palmer is way more of a leader than george.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
I really believe Bilukidi could start next year I’m very impressed with him more than anyone Reggie has brought in. If he could bring another one like him and get us a edge rusher and a corner. This defense would be good to go. Most would rather cut McClain I say keep him for quality depth if nothing else. Players are hard to come by, it makes it easier to get a starter they need more LB’s.
They need a bigtime big back to replace Bush and I’d like to see another TE and a great young WR top notch type and a RT added depth on the Oline. If Reggie can get this done I would erect a monument to him. The corner and edge rusher are paramount to any success you cannot get off the field on 3rd down without them. We need a tough inside runner for shortyardage and G/L. WE suffered bad on rushing TD’s due to Bush’s absence. In the redzone you must have a tough runner to finish drives. I tried to tell you guys that last year.
Our young WR’s let us down bigtime this year. This team would be wise to use Reece as a TE next year, and develope Ausberry.
I know the discussion about Pryor is old but this team desparately needs Pryor to be developed it makes us a much better team if he is. The coaching staff needs to get that done it makes the entire org. more healthy.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Morilla Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Derek Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Chargers fans want Hue Jackson, who may become their next HC.
529: Carson Palmer is Jeff George all over again.
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??? I live in San Diego and have never heard his name ever mentioned. The names being thrown around here on the air waves by fans and talking heads are Reid, Cowher, Gruden, Billeck.
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LOL. their fans sound like ours (and everyone’s). they want want they already know. they would bring back bill walsh from his grave if they could.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
535: I live in the LA area, and we pretty much share the same sports talk shows with SD. I’m not sure who you listen to, but I have heard Hue Jackson mentioned as a Charger candidate several times.
BTW; I just watched those Pryor vs Detroit highlights on youtube. That was far and away the best QB performance by a Raiders QB during the preseasnon
December 17th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Evening folks….
I haven’t scanned the posts for this story yet but I did for the last story posted. There was this rather interesting statement:
“Kansas City had to abandon the run as the score mounted.”
I don’t know about you, but it didn’t seem like that big a mount!
But we did win!
December 17th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
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“Terrelle Pryor didn’t feel well at all Sunday.
“Pryor and fellow Oakland Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer came down with a bug that led to Pryor throwing up for the first time in his life.
“Pryor felt so ill that he called an ambulance. Remember, this was all on the same day the Raiders were preparing to play the Kansas City Chiefs.”
Never threw up before, not as a kid?
Called for an ambulance? Okie dokie.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Morilla Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Derek Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Chargers fans want Hue Jackson, who may become their next HC.
529: Carson Palmer is Jeff George all over again.
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??? I live in San Diego and have never heard his name ever mentioned. The names being thrown around here on the air waves by fans and talking heads are Reid, Cowher, Gruden, Billeck.
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LOL. their fans sound like ours (and everyone’s). they want want they already know. they would bring back bill walsh from his grave if they could.
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More than you know. Most of them are still whining about Marty being fired.
Another thing, Spanos would never hire Hue.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
re: moving TP to wide receiver…and after seeing the money were due to pay DHB, maybe not a bad move..but does ANYONE know if he can catch a ball?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
#535 none of the guys you listed will ever coacgh the Chargers. I’m not sure what world you live in, however I can pretty much assure you, none of those will be coaching in SD or LA next season.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
I can’t believe Mark would let SD hire Gruden over him but it wouldn’t surprise me either.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
I really believe Bilukidi could start next year I’m very impressed with him more than anyone Reggie has brought in. If he could bring another one like him and get us a edge rusher and a corner. This defense would be good to go. Most would rather cut McClain I say keep him for quality depth if nothing else. Players are hard to come by, it makes it easier to get a starter they need more LB’s.
They need a bigtime big back to replace Bush and I’d like to see another TE and a great young WR top notch type and a RT added depth on the Oline. If Reggie can get this done I would erect a monument to him. The corner and edge rusher are paramount to any success you cannot get off the field on 3rd down without them. We need a tough inside runner for shortyardage and G/L. WE suffered bad on rushing TD’s due to Bush’s absence. In the redzone you must have a tough runner to finish drives. I tried to tell you guys that last year.
Our young WR’s let us down bigtime this year. This team would be wise to use Reece as a TE next year, and develope Ausberry.
I know the discussion about Pryor is old but this team desparately needs Pryor to be developed it makes us a much better team if he is. The coaching staff needs to get that done it makes the entire org. more healthy.
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oh priest. some good, some bad, and some ugly.
bilukidi is a find. i have touted him since the draft when i watched his reel. big, strong, athletic, hustler. he’s got a future.
mcclain (and his green beanie) are already gone. move on. he’s not even dressing. can u not read the writing on the wall?
u thought bush was a good redzone guy and u tried to tell us? gee, uh, we might have all known that. did anyone, ever, try arguing differently? ever?
reece as a TE? u mean after he showed what a great rb he is? and his weakness is blocking (horrible)? great call. especially since we have a TE who is having a great year. what exactly are u seeing?
pryor is very unlikely to be a qb in this league. i know that will break missdick’s heart but it’s just true. but we could move down and pick up, wait for it, a black qb! geno smith would come in and develop behind the vet/leader palmer. could be a great situation.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
I really believe Bilukidi could start next year I’m very impressed with him more than anyone Reggie has brought in. If he could bring another one like him and get us a edge rusher and a corner. This defense would be good to go. Most would rather cut McClain I say keep him for quality depth if nothing else. Players are hard to come by, it makes it easier to get a starter they need more LB’s.
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I agree with the edge rusher and corner. McClain HAS to go tho. His attitude is terrible and the team is better without him. Inside runners and even a WR can be found later in the draft. Barnes has been servicable at RT. That might be one position that will have to wait a year. Just get him some help twice a year against Dungver and Von Miller.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Derek Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
#535 none of the guys you listed will ever coacgh the Chargers. I’m not sure what world you live in, however I can pretty much assure you, none of those will be coaching in SD or LA next season.
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Didn’t say they would be. Just saying what people have been talking about for the past 2 years here.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
BTW; I just watched those Pryor vs Detroit highlights on youtube. That was far and away the best QB performance by a Raiders QB during the preseasnon
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1. Why would anyone watch footage from a practice game?
2. You DO know how many horrible QB’s have highlight reels in practice games right? You know… against 3rd stringers in vanilla defenses?
Please… we can do better in this forum…
December 17th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Actually , Reid has the best shot.. If he wants to, he’s had a really traumatic year. Wouldn’t be surprised if he took some time off.
Forgot one more name, Wade Phillips. Which also makes sense.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Gdog Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
BTW; I just watched those Pryor vs Detroit highlights on youtube. That was far and away the best QB performance by a Raiders QB during the preseasnon
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1. Why would anyone watch footage from a practice game?
2. You DO know how many horrible QB’s have highlight reels in practice games right? You know… against 3rd stringers in vanilla defenses?
Please… we can do better in this forum…
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matt flynn anyone?
and uh, apparently we can not do better. it’s been tried.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
just for kicks:
qb’s that will possibly be available for a contender next season:
palmer
vick
a.smith
romo
December 17th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Derek Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
#535 none of the guys you listed will ever coacgh the Chargers.
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I’m all for Hue Jackson going to San Diego. That would be sweet. He would win his lst four and then drop his next 12 in a row. Each by a bigger and bigger margin. Could you imagine Jackson and Rivers? Too bad Vincent Jackson wasn’t still there. A match made in heaven…
December 17th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
IMO if the players play real hard for DA in the next two games he’ll be back 100% even if we were to lose one or both games. Reality is :
- Mark Davis wouldn’t want to fire DA and part with $12m. He said it: “they have contracts!!”
- no other A level coaches wants to come to Oakland with no franchise QB or new stadium.
- forcing RM to fire DA will make him look real bad in NFL to the point no other coach or free agents wants to work for him.
One of the two guys Tarver and Knapp will be dismissed, probably the one with larger contract.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
It doesn’t matter where you get them just get’em I always say.
TP is already a better QB than Leinart that you can take to the bank he wont be playing anything except QB and sooner than most want him to.I know that doean’t sit well with a lot of you but…………deal with it!
December 17th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Good post in #514 Dr Robert.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Bolts from the Blue…·11/28/2012
More Hue Jackson to Chargers speculation
December 17th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
qb’s that will possibly be available for a contender next season:
palmer
vick
a.smith
romo
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Palmer would top the list. Smith has played well, but can’t make the deep throw. Romo, well, the Cowgirls aren’t giving up on Romo, not after Quincy Carter
December 17th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
Big Al use pick weak coaches and wouldn’t pay more than
1m for any of them. Coaches didn’t do anything to win games
Only players did. So he hire assis coaches.That’s why he hire Goofy Cable and we then got a assist coach Hue.
Then the “Black Mamba ” took over and had all the Raiders playing good and improving to 8-8 and almost to the Playoffs! Given a good Def coach like Allen and keeping some of the player playing together would have had a 10-6 season 2012.
But we got rid of the –BLACK MAMBA and Reggie is fixing the
Players contract etc.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
IMO if the players play real hard for DA in the next two games he’ll be back 100% even if we were to lose one or both games. Reality is :
- Mark Davis wouldn’t want to fire DA and part with $12m. He said it: “they have contracts!!”
- no other A level coaches wants to come to Oakland with no franchise QB or new stadium.
- forcing RM to fire DA will make him look real bad in NFL to the point no other coach or free agents wants to work for him.
One of the two guys Tarver and Knapp will be dismissed, probably the one with larger contract.
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Love it when you guys say Tits should come back, not because of his coaching acumen, but because of the supposed “Public Relations” hit….what a great reason to keep the HC…I’m sure hiring Chucky would solve some issues.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Derek Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
#535 none of the guys you listed will ever coacgh the Chargers.
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I’m all for Hue Jackson going to San Diego. That would be sweet. He would win his lst four and then drop his next 12 in a row. Each by a bigger and bigger margin. Could you imagine Jackson and Rivers? Too bad Vincent Jackson wasn’t still there. A match made in heaven…
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and that’s based on what again?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Is Toleffson still on this team?
Hello, earth to Toleffson. Are you still here?
What ever happened to this prized signing?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
and that’s based on what again?
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Jacksons suck ass track record. What else?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Is Toleffson still on this team?
Hello, earth to Toleffson. Are you still here?
What ever happened to this prized signing?
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He got blocked.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Is Toleffson still on this team?
Hello, earth to Toleffson. Are you still here?
What ever happened to this prized signing?
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He got blocked.
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Toleffson gets blocked for $2M a year? Sweet deal.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
and that’s based on what again?
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Jacksons suck ass track record. What else?
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, since 2003 we have had double digit losing seasons every year except in 2010 & 2011…Huh, I wonder what was different in those years.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
and that’s based on what again?
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Jacksons suck ass track record. What else?
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8-8 is “suckass”?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
and that’s based on what again?
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Jacksons suck ass track record. What else?
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Anybody with a 2nd grade education can figure out 8 wins are twice as much as 4 wins.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Did anybody see the “rumors” that the Ravens owner was behind the firing of Cam Cameron in Baltimore? Supposedly Harbaugh was a big fan of Cam. I guess they weren’t worried about the PR hit.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
I started reading the posts for this story but stopped after a few. Clearly, the same old posts again and again.
Okay, here’s the plan I’ve worked out with the NFL brass for the Raiders 2013. Given that the same GM, head coach, coaching staff, and most of the players will be returning, it will be appropriately named the Raider Rule. It’s very simple and might, I say might, help the team. Here’s how it works….
To score a touchdown, the Raiders must get the ball into the endzone the opposing team is defending. Nothing new. No change.
To score a touchdown, the opposing team must take the ball into the endzone the Raiders are defending. Play does not stop though. The opposing team must then continue to advance the ball in the opposite direction towards and into the end zone they were defending to score the touchdown.
Special note: The rule is in effect for the next ten years.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
and that’s based on what again?
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Jacksons suck ass track record. What else?
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Anybody with a 2nd grade education can figure out 8 wins are twice as much as 4 wins.
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Some need to rewrite history to make Allen look less incompetent.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
No sense talking about it. Pryor is not gonna get any signficant time this yr. DA is not gonna do it. I think he should, but it ain’t gonna happen.
So, what’s left?
Palmer vs. Cam Newton in “Legacy Bowl” for the ages.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Even a dumbass cross-poster should be able to figure out that 8 wins are twice as many as 4 wins
December 17th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp
Cam Cameron gave John Harbaugh his first gig in the NFL. And it was the reports it was hard for Harbaugh to dump Cameron are probably true considering John feels Cam opened the doors to the NFL for him.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Man some of you ignorant cross posting trolls should take Jacksons dong out of your mouth so I can understand what you’re saying.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
I’m going out on a long limb with a prediction. Next year’s backup QB for the Oakland Raiders: Chase Daniels.
This guy was lights out passing in college but considered too small, at 6′1″ to play in the NFL. He went undrated and signed by the Redskins in 2009, only to get cut that preseason. He caught on with the Saints and made their practice squad. In 2010 he beat out Patrick Ramsey for 2nd string where he’s been learning behind one of the best of the era, Drew Brees.
While he’s had very little experience, he’s been get the investment of great offensive coaching and time to learn the game by watching a top offense execute. It’s similar to how Rodgers was developed behind Favre — not saying that Chase has Rodgers like potential, just the same NFL “upbringing”. The Saints thought enough of his potential that they had him running all first team reps while Brees held out this year, and were ready to go with him as the stater if need be. That tells you that they have some confidence in his readiness.
He was a free agent last season and resigned to a one year deal. He’ll be free again this season and would likely sign anywhere willing to give him a couple year deal with a veteran base and healthy incentives should he become a starter. Coach Allen should have some connection with him from the years shared in New Orleans.
This is the kind of QB that would flourish in a Knapp system. He’s a sharp guy (was offered a Stanford scholarship) with a live arm and super competitve nature that makes him an overachiever type. Let him backup Palmer for a year and learn the system and see where that takes us.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Man some of you ignorant cross posting trolls should take Jacksons dong out of your mouth so I can understand what you’re saying.
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Ahhhhhh ok…Would Dennis Allen’s man t!ts taste better? Yuk, Yuk, Yuk, Yuk, Yuk.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp
Cam Cameron gave John Harbaugh his first gig in the NFL. And it was the reports it was hard for Harbaugh to dump Cameron are probably true considering John feels Cam opened the doors to the NFL for him.
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So it’s fair to say ownership forced the change..
December 17th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Raiders(since 1967)★
When things work don’t touch them. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
Somehow Al found his last chemestry from Tom Cable,and he then got the BLACK MAMBA and things were just about to turn
With Al Saunder working OC. NOW we have to wait !
Reggie is fixing the Out of Whack contracts !
And Reggie is bringing the Big Garbage Truck with deorant –
He’ s going to Gut the Place UP ! Whoooopi ….
December 17th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
er, that’s Chase Daniel in #581.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
And if you guys think the Raiders are broke, you don’t know what broke is: http://network.yardbarker.com/mma/article_external/mma_fighter_suffers_horrific_injury_during_sex/12458515?refmod=backyard&refsrc=foxsports
December 17th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
I’m going out on a long limb with a prediction. Next year’s backup QB for the Oakland Raiders: Chase Daniels.
This guy was lights out passing in college but considered too small, at 6′1″ to play in the NFL. He went undrated and signed by the Redskins in 2009, only to get cut that preseason. He caught on with the Saints and made their practice squad. In 2010 he beat out Patrick Ramsey for 2nd string where he’s been learning behind one of the best of the era, Drew Brees.
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Daniels was a very very good player at Missouri. He may be listed at that, But I don’t think he is 6′1″ standing on a NY City phonebook. The perfect person for him to play behind woulde be Brees who is about the same size. Don’t know how good he would be trying to run this offense.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
It doesn’t matter where you get them just get’em I always say.
TP is already a better QB than Leinart that you can take to the bank he wont be playing anything except QB and sooner than most want him to.I know that doean’t sit well with a lot of you but…………deal with it!
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pryor is better than leinart? in the nfl? how in the world would u know? based on pryor’s one incompletion? or leinart’s mixed-to-poor results as a guy who started quite a few games?
he won’t be playing anything other than qb? why? cuz u said?
LOL. sooner than most of us want him to? based on WHAT? do u pay attention to what’s ACTUALLY happening or only to ur little fantasy world?
December 17th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
priest–i’m pretty sure the results for pryor up till now and in the foreseeable future are what don’t sit well with YOU, not anyone else.
i like the kid, but he ain’t playing much. the staff don’t like him like that (heard that one a few times in ur life?)
December 17th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
I know that doean’t sit well with a lot of you but…………deal with it!
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deal with what? maybe u should deal with it.
December 17th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
IMO if the players play real hard for DA in the next two games he’ll be back 100% even if we were to lose one or both games. Reality is :
- Mark Davis wouldn’t want to fire DA and part with $12m. He said it: “they have contracts!!”
- no other A level coaches wants to come to Oakland with no franchise QB or new stadium.
- forcing RM to fire DA will make him look real bad in NFL to the point no other coach or free agents wants to work for him.
One of the two guys Tarver and Knapp will be dismissed, probably the one with larger contract.
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Love it when you guys say Tits should come back, not because of his coaching acumen, but because of the supposed “Public Relations” hit….what a great reason to keep the HC…I’m sure hiring Chucky would solve some issues.
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the ravens are in first place. they can do what they want.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Raider (since1967)★
Is Newton going to get it Yes or No!
Car- 26 vs Oak -23
Panthers -26
Raiders – 23
December 17th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Burton Guster Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
DMAC busts a hundred yards and we don’t get into the end zone. Stats lie. Embrace the futility. It’s gonna be here at least another year unless Gruden shows up.
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Yep. This team is not going anywhere with DA and his joke of a coaching staff TRYING to lead this team.
When the Raiders get REAL legit head coach and assistants, then they will turn it around.
Patience my azz….if Hue didn’t get another year, than why the hell should tits DA and crappy Knappy??
December 17th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
A city raised taxidermist walks into a hillbilly bar.
One of the locals approaches him, eyes him up, and saya “Y’all aint from ’round here.”
The taxisermist explains that he is from the city and passing through looking for work.
The hillbilly asks “What kind a work y’all do?”
Afraid the hillbilly will not recognize the word taxidermist, he says “I mount animals”
The hillbilly turns to his buddies and hollers “Its OK boys, he’s one of us!”
December 17th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
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Love it when you guys say Tits should come back, not because of his coaching acumen, but because of the supposed “Public Relations” hit….what a great reason to keep the HC…I’m sure hiring Chucky would solve some issues.
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Exactly!
December 17th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
If Palmer was traded, lets take a flier on Matt Flynn!!!
December 17th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
I’m going out on a long limb with a prediction. Next year’s backup QB for the Oakland Raiders: Chase Daniels.
This guy was lights out passing in college but considered too small, at 6′1″ to play in the NFL. He went undrated and signed by the Redskins in 2009, only to get cut that preseason. He caught on with the Saints and made their practice squad. In 2010 he beat out Patrick Ramsey for 2nd string where he’s been learning behind one of the best of the era, Drew Brees.
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Daniels was a very very good player at Missouri. He may be listed at that, But I don’t think he is 6′1″ standing on a NY City phonebook. The perfect person for him to play behind woulde be Brees who is about the same size. Don’t know how good he would be trying to run this offense.
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If Daniels ever managed to get in the lineup, he would light it up for the Saints.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Can yall imagine CJ Spiller as our feature back??? What do u think the Steelers would be asking for in return for Rashard Mendenhall??
December 17th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
#580 – Seymour, what’s hardest to understand about some of the posters here is that with such vast football knowledge, many are obviously full time NFL coaches – maybe even GMs – with other teams. Where do they get the time to follow the Raiders week after week, let alone the time to offer detailed critique about running the team.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
I’m going out on a long limb with a prediction. Next year’s backup QB for the Oakland Raiders: Chase Daniels.
This guy was lights out passing in college but considered too small, at 6′1″ to play in the NFL. He went undrated and signed by the Redskins in 2009, only to get cut that preseason. He caught on with the Saints and made their practice squad. In 2010 he beat out Patrick Ramsey for 2nd string where he’s been learning behind one of the best of the era, Drew Brees.
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Daniels was a very very good player at Missouri. He may be listed at that, But I don’t think he is 6′1″ standing on a NY City phonebook. The perfect person for him to play behind woulde be Brees who is about the same size. Don’t know how good he would be trying to run this offense.
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If Daniels ever managed to get in the lineup, he would light it up for the Saints.
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i wonder how many saints fans are calling for daniels since they are in a “lost season”. hmm. i bet none.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
OklahomaRaider18 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Can yall imagine CJ Spiller as our feature back??? What do u think the Steelers would be asking for in return for Rashard Mendenhall??
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we could mendenahll for dmc straight up. otherwise they will be asking for a 2nd or 3rd.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
but will likely get a 4th
December 17th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Kinda wished we signed Mike Tolbert of Green-Ellis.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:00 am
I’d do Mendenhall for DMac straight up. I think it’d be a good trade for both teams too.
DMac would do better in the Steelers power system and could be used to add his speed in the mix with their other power backs.
Mendenhall is super versatile, possibly a better receiver than DMac, and seems bright enough to make the reads in the ZBS. Then he has the quicks (assuming he gets back to 100% following that major knee injury) to really burst through the hole.
The catch is that Mendenhall if a UFA next season, while DMac is a cap anchor in 2013 with his $6M salary.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Well we could restructure his contract and guarantee we trade him to a contender…
December 18th, 2012 at 12:18 am
McFadden’s got a player option after next season…..he won’t wanna come back to this mess.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:30 am
Since when do we trust the opinions of these coaches about who can and can’t play football? They have yet to prove they know anything. Play Pryor.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:46 am
But Mendenhall gets hurt all the time and isn’t good. At least McFadden gets hurt all the time and oh…
I’ll pass anyway.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:47 am
rediaR Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:30 am
Since when do we trust the opinions of these coaches about who can and can’t play football? They have yet to prove they know anything. Play Pryor.
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Yeah what do they know? They probably spend all of their time blogging about how they can do your job better than you can.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:54 am
Zymurge Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:47 am
rediaR Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:30 am
Since when do we trust the opinions of these coaches about who can and can’t play football? They have yet to prove they know anything. Play Pryor.
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Yeah what do they know? They probably spend all of their time blogging about how they can do your job better than you can.
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Do you have a link to their blog?
December 18th, 2012 at 1:14 am
Trade McFragile for draft picks! Any limit on how many draft picks we can have per draft?
December 18th, 2012 at 1:32 am
Couple of thoughts…
Allen said: “it’s the first time it’s been done in this organization for 10 years”
The way he says “this organization” he doesn’t even feel connected to the Raiders brand. He would’ve said “first time it’s been done here in 10 years” or “first time we’ve done this in 10 years”.
It’s just a desk job to him, punches in, punches out.
And, all those people including beat writers going on about how finally the D is playing hard….are you kidding? The Chiefs are the worst team in the NFL by far, otherwise, the last 9 games the D has been pathetic. Where’s the “finally now” part in that? One cream-puff team is suddenly “finally” and “now”. What a joke. The Panthers will kill our D next week.
Allen and Knapp also bragging and carrying on about this victory over a cream-puff team is pathetic.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:53 am
Also, with Allen telling CNBC how he doesn’t want a QB controversy like there was in Denver, by not playing Pryor legitimately enough for true evaluation, you don’t think Mark Davis will hear that and get pissed? And, if Reggie isn’t a snake in the grass, and genuinely wanted to evaluate Pryor more extensively, you don’t think he’d be pissed off too?
Allen is thumbing his nose at Mark, like Kiffin did with Al.
Also, the way Allen said “we’re no longer gonna draft athletes”….he knows he doesn’t make the call, Reggie does, so him saying that he’s being a mouthpiece for Reggie. Meaning Reggie and Allen must be in cahoots therefore in limiting Pryor as mentioned above, and you don’t think Mark will be pissed off?
It’s not just the whole Pryor deal, but the way they’ve clearly set about ostracizing a certain bunch of Al’s players, not giving them a legitimate chance to show anything. Like Taiwan, Ausberry, Chekwa too.
Reggie/Allen also can’t cut anyone without first the daily discussion and okay from Mark. Just like it works in all 32 NFL organizations. If Mark likes those mentioned above, and sees this prejudice against Al players and attempt to discard them without truly ever evaluating then he may be forced to fire one or both of them.
Lastly, from the day they were all hired, Reggie and Allen went on and on about accountability and genuine competition.
They’ve contradicted themselves in regards to this. Many examples of it, no need to go over them all.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:53 am
Trade Palmer and work out a trade for Matt Flynn!!
December 18th, 2012 at 4:16 am
Could you imagine if HueJax goes to SD and they wipe the floor with the division while the Raiders trot DA and Knapp out there to mostly-empty home stadiums next year. It would be pretty goddam funny to see the look on Mark, Chubby Checker and Dennis Allen’s faces.
Really not a far-fetched scenario either. We all know that team has underperformed over the years. Hue could do some damage there.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:27 am
Whats that, 3 players and a coach? RG, RT, and WR. Not hard to do in the NFL.
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the problem with dumping Knapp and his system is starting all over again from scratch.
if you get rid of him you gotta get rid of his assts (John DeFilippo, Frank Pollack & Justin Griffith)
then you have to re-train or un-train the existing players on the roster from the previous year. no consistency or continuity
is McFadden gonna be healthy for a different coordinator? is Palmer gotta take better care of the football (turnovers) ? probably not …
Does firing Knapp fix the defense & special teams?
I’m giving Allen, Knapp & Tarver another year. If we’re not 9-7 or better next season, fire all 3 of them
December 18th, 2012 at 4:28 am
HueJax to SD is a dream scenario … for the Raiders
December 18th, 2012 at 4:33 am
Chris in NY,
why dont you go root for the Bengals or whatever team Hue lands on next season?
seriously!!
i’m sick of hearing to talk about him and “what could have been”. he went 8-8 and got fired.
New Owner + New GM = New Head Coach
happens every year in the NFL. get over it
December 18th, 2012 at 4:34 am
correction:
hearing YOU*
December 18th, 2012 at 4:42 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:27 am
Whats that, 3 players and a coach? RG, RT, and WR. Not hard to do in the NFL.
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the problem with dumping Knapp and his system is starting all over again from scratch.
if you get rid of him you gotta get rid of his assts (John DeFilippo, Frank Pollack & Justin Griffith)
then you have to re-train or un-train the existing players on the roster from the previous year. no consistency or continuity
is McFadden gonna be healthy for a different coordinator? is Palmer gotta take better care of the football (turnovers) ? probably not …
Does firing Knapp fix the defense & special teams?
I’m giving Allen, Knapp & Tarver another year. If we’re not 9-7 or better next season, fire all 3 of them
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Not many in here understand this. Some care not to pay attention or care about the history of unfavorable outcomes, due to the coaching carousel in Oakland.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:42 am
The funny thing is Hue could be coach of the Chargers and still be more of a Raider than Chubby Checker and especially Dennis Allen could ever hope to be. These clowns just don’t get it.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:09 am
Taiwan, Ausberry, Chekwa, TP…. Beuler……Beuler……..Beuler……….
December 18th, 2012 at 5:12 am
sorry….Bueller (sp)
December 18th, 2012 at 5:15 am
“Pryor and fellow Oakland Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer came down with a bug that led to Pryor throwing up for the first time in his life.”
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First time in his life ??
Never threw up before ? Ever ?
Now I KNOW he isn’t listening to Krapp or paying attention to Krapp’s offense.
That’ll make anyone puke.
Wonder if TP ever pissed his pants laughing hysterically ?
That’s another possible reaction to watching Krapp’s play-calling and offense in action.
Hopefully, TP will be crying tears of joy when Krapp is dismissed.
SCRAP THE KRAPP !
December 18th, 2012 at 5:34 am
Untraining them of the evils Knapp has taught = a good thing.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:36 am
The determining factor that will seal DA’s fate, will be these last 2 games when the players fail to show up.
Remember that Mark Davis has already said that he will not tolerate continued regression…well when we get beaten by the Panthers & Chargers that will be it for 1 of the worst coaching staffs that we had since (Art Shell-2)
For all of you who dont know about football that want DA to stay, he will not be here if they regress in those 2 games. BANKIT!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 5:38 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:42 am
the problem with dumping Knapp and his system is starting all over again from scratch. – The problem with keeping him is having an incompetent OC.
if you get rid of him you gotta get rid of his assts (John DeFilippo, Frank Pollack & Justin Griffith) – Are we worried about the condition of the door after it hits them all in the butts on the way out?
then you have to re-train or un-train the existing players on the roster from the previous year. no consistency or continuity – Consistency and continuity are only good when they describe competence or, dare I dream, greatness.
is McFadden gonna be healthy for a different coordinator? is Palmer gotta take better care of the football (turnovers) ? probably not … – Probably not, but when he is healthy maybe we can have someone running the offense that knows the skills of the players and can adapt “his” scheme to best attack the opponents instead of doing the same exact thing with DMC that he would do if Tommy Kelly was playing HB. Lets be honest, if Palmer is still the starting QB here in 2 years and hasn’t lead us to the playoffs or at least played well consistently when not down 3 touchdowns, Reggie has screwed up.
Does firing Knapp fix the defense & special teams? – Of course not, but if you don’t think the offense is a problem too, you haven’t been watching the Raiders.
I’m giving Allen, Knapp & Tarver another year. If we’re not 9-7 or better next season, fire all 3 of them – I think I may actually be a little more lenient than you on this one. I’d give Allen and Tarver a third year if they can get to 7-9 but not be a complete embarrassment. We knew the defense was terrible. If I’m Reggie the only way I’m getting rid of Allen or any of the coaches really, is if I have someone much better in mind with a real chance of taking the job. What separates Knapp from the others is that I don’t think it takes much to be better than him.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:40 am
The funny thing is Hue could be coach of the Chargers and still be more of a Raider than Chubby Checker and especially Dennis Allen could ever hope to be.
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Hue had RAIDER charisma.
Hue had RAIDER stones.
Hue coached RAIDER ‘balls to the wall’ offense.
Hue respected and always said the right things about ‘Coach’ Davis.
I understand why Hue got canned, but I still like the guy.
Yup, I agree with Chris again.
Hue was a RAIDER.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:49 am
Hue was the Ralph Cramdon of pro football. He had a biiiiiiiig mouth! But he was more entertaining than this stuff.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 5:59 am
Romania Says:
Hue was the Ralph Cramdon of pro football. He had a biiiiiiiig mouth! But he was more entertaining than this stuff.
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So he was always threatening to beat his wife, too?
December 18th, 2012 at 5:59 am
POST-628, HAD AND WAS R THE KEY WORDS ..
December 18th, 2012 at 6:07 am
WOW! A lotta b!tching at the top of this post (Alex7)! I come in here for a little insight and fellow Raider brethren opinions on things. Not to see these tools sticking their ‘blog chests’ out at each other.. One thing is a fact, we are all disgusted with our favorite team’s performance, but to take it out on each other is pure stupidity crossed with childishness!!
Another thing, nobody on this f-ing blog has any more knowledge of football than the others… If these people were such f-ing football geniuses, they wouldnt be a poster on a f-ing blog!!
Please can we get back to some Raider talk…
December 18th, 2012 at 6:09 am
There’s no excuse for us to not crush both Carolina and SD. We have far more talent than Carolina and more talent than SD, which has clearly packed it in.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:10 am
oklahomaRaider18 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:53 am
Trade Palmer and work out a trade for Matt Flynn!!
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There’s a post that makes some f-ing sense..
December 18th, 2012 at 6:15 am
Raider (since 1967)★
Hi RAIDERNATION Hi Jerry !
Bets and spread and lines have RAIDERS–8.5+
CAR -29 VS OAK- 26
Defense might be coming together again. Tarver could save his
Neck in the next 2 games.
As for Knapp, pic your poison !!!
#1- Walk the Plank — Sharks
#2 -McClain and Russian roulette
December 18th, 2012 at 6:16 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!!
December 18th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Hue was the Ralph Cramdon of pro football. He had a biiiiiiiig mouth! But he was more entertaining than this stuff.
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Yes, he did and yes he was.
You know, once upon a time there really was a RAIDER mystique.
There really was a RAIDER identity and RAIDER character.
There really was a RAIDER brand of football.
Renegades. Us against the world. Blue collar. Brawlers.
It was more than just the sustained excellence.
It was more than just all the winning.
There was identity. There was style.
Guess that came from the Old Man.
Ah well, those days are gone.
Truth be told, the Raider mystique was all but gone even before Al’s passing.
A decade of futility will do that.
Ain’t really a reason to be a RAIDER fan any longer.
Just another one of the NFL corporate 32.
About all that’s left is the uniforms.
I’ll always be a RAIDER fan. They say ‘old habits die hard’. For me, RAIDER football was more than just a habit, it was an ingrained part of life. Always looked forward to watching them play and seeing what moves Al was making. It was fun. It was exciting. Even through the darkest years.
Not too exciting and not much fun anymore.
Maybe it’s for the best. I’m too old to be taking this sht seriously anymore or to be getting aggravated about it.
I need a vacation.
Think I’ll take one til Tits and Krapp are gone.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:22 am
Chris in NY Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:09 am
There’s no excuse for us to not crush both Carolina and SD. We have far more talent than Carolina and more talent than SD, which has clearly packed it in.
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Thats DA’s ticket outta here…becuase of the mass regression that this blog has alluded to that has taken place under this coaching staff!
My prediction, despite the fools-gold win against the lowly chiefs is we will not win either game…which simply points back to this washed-up-stinking coaching staff.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Trade Palmer? Maybe AZ may bite…getting Flynn may be good but he only played this year in that blow out of AZ…hmmm….connection?
December 18th, 2012 at 6:26 am
Unless this staff is changed, it will not matter who we draft or who we pick up in FA…this staff has shown an underwhelming ability in to upgrade what the players can do!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 6:32 am
DA and Krapp ARE just a little bit robotic. Let’s face it, football hit it’s zenith from the 60’s to the 90’s.
They had faces, not jerseys then.
I remember listening to the HOF Jet receiver Don Manayrd talk about the concept of team and how it’s lost now. Better athletes these days? Probably, but teams. No.
Hey Alice!!! One ah deez days…you’re goin’ to da moon!
(Say in Hue’s voice….I thought I would never miss it.)
December 18th, 2012 at 6:40 am
There’s no excuse for us to not crush both Carolina and SD. We have far more talent than Carolina and more talent than SD…
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More talent ?
Uhmmm, no.
There’s a reason the RAIDS are 9 point dogs this week – and it’s NOT just due to our pathetic OC and transgender HC.
Where’s the ‘talent’ edge the RAIDS have ?
QB ? I’ll take Kim over CP.
RB ? Panthers have a few.
WR ? Smith isn’t bad. If we’ve got an edge, it’s not big.
OL ? Don’t know enough to say for sure, but our OL ain’t nothing to write home about.
Defense ? Hard for me to say we’ve got more talent than any other NFL team.
Nope. We’re not talented enough to ‘crush’ anyone.
We’re 9 pt dogs and 4-10.
If we had so much talent that wouldn’t be the case. Even with Tits and Krapp.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Carolina has the more talented coaching staff, they got rid of their deadbeat OC when they had to instead of torturing fans with inept schemes and play calling all year.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:53 am
Raider (since 1967)★
Morning RAIDERNATION !
BR – Blicher Report Mock Draft : Show Raider’s need -
#1- JARVISE MILLER
#2- STAR LOTULELEI
#3- MANTAI TEO
#4- CB – FROM ALABAMA
AND others ! IF ONLY REGGIE – ALLEN -MARK DAVIS COULD
SEE AND LISTEN !
APPLY these Guys to the ALLEN DEFENSE and OAKLAND is in!
Offense get rid off KNAPP — TO THE LIONS !
PUT AL SAUNDER IN +++ PLUS OFFENSIVE PICS OR FREE AGENCY = 10-6 !!
December 18th, 2012 at 7:03 am
I don’t see it either…but I know there will be some ticked off people in here if we somehow pull a win outta our buts on Sunday!
December 18th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Raider(since 1967)★
RAIDERNATION remember me when I spy on Dolphins and told you they werw going to isolate us and pic on Mcfadden and bwat us with their runner (Reggie) 200+ yards !
Now I warn you guys about :-Bleechers Report on Mock Draft.
Is Dead On – Dudes 4-6 of these Studs on Allen ’s Defenses and we are 10-6 . We should try to Get Future Qb Too !
Remove Knapp -FIRE HIS A$$ like a Smokin Scarecrow in the ” Wizzard of Oz ” movie — Put AL SAUDER let him pic his OFFENSIVE PLAYERS 4-6 REMAINING FROM FREE AGENGY OR DRAFT AND WE ARE 10-6 = PLAYOFF . PLAYOFFS – PLAYOFFS ???
December 18th, 2012 at 7:19 am
4-12…..
December 18th, 2012 at 7:21 am
It’ll be interesting to see if the win on Sunday was just becuz we played a horrible KC team or if it was some kind “things finally starting to come together on defense’ type of thing.
Interesting that we get our first shutout in a decade with out McClain in the lineup.
Notice how the D has played much better ever since he’s been out? Even against Denver, we looked better.
26 pt’s and one of their scores came from them starting at our 2 yd. line. We also held them to fg’s in the redzone.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence. McClain has been a liability all along.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:21 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:16 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!!
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in the words or the GreenParty president….
well then fuk you guys !!!
December 18th, 2012 at 7:33 am
if Hue Jackson isnt a HC in the NFL next year will some of you then be quiet. some of you cant let go, Hue is in the past. good move or bad move he’s gone. To me some of you seem more like Hue fans than Raider fans.get over it. he’s gone and he’s not vince lombardi
December 18th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Raider (since 1967)★
If only they would listen to us !
C’ Mon REGGIE LOOK AT BLEECHERS REPORT MOCK DRAFT !!
C’ MON MAN — JARVIS MILLER
— MANTAI TEO
—STAR LOTULELEI
— ALABAMA CB ( SHOTDOWN CORNERS)
IF ONLY THEY SEE AND LISTEN. !!
HELLO REGGIE ALLEN MARK DAVIS . ? ANYONE OUT THERE ?
December 18th, 2012 at 7:49 am
NYC,
Problem is we don’t really know how good Hue could’ve been. Offense improved dramatically as soon as he came on board. Had us in good position to get into the playoffs with 10 minutes to go in the regular season when the defense folded like a cheap suit. This was despite Hue, as a rookie head coach, having to step in as defacto GM in Week6, switching QBs to a guy off the couch midseason, losing his MVP-candidate RB, and being saddled with a terrible defense led by a retread DC not of his choosing. And after all that he gets canned. Coaches virtually never get canned after a single 8-8 season.
And this was all allegedly so Reggie could “bring in his own guy.” What? His own guy turned out to be a guy he had no ties to, who had never sniffed a head coaching position, who was a oneyear DC for the 20th ranked defense.
Whatever happened to the “I trust in Reggie” mantra. Don’t hear that one too much anymore. I wonder why? LOL.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Howie Long for coach 2013 (instilling some Raider pride)
Hue Jackson offensive coordinator
Kirk Cousins QB
I can dream, right?
December 18th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Eric Dickerson is sooooo stressed right now lol
December 18th, 2012 at 7:57 am
nycraider Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 7:33 am
if Hue Jackson isnt a HC in the NFL next year will some of you then be quiet. some of you cant let go, Hue is in the past. good move or bad move he’s gone. To me some of you seem more like Hue fans than Raider fans.get over it. he’s gone and he’s not vince lombardi
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Same can be said for those clamoring for Jon Gruden. Hue only gets brought up because of this current shameful Coaching staff, so it’s with good reason he’s still relavent to conversation.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:01 am
What’s up with Jerry Mac generously dispensing the A grades after our 5 FG, 0 TD win over the Cheifs? LOL. What a joke. I guess ole Jerry Mac is in the generous Christmas spirit.
Also, all the media hacks who insisted we just needed to move past Al Davis and all would be well are trying to save face right now after the debacle that this regime change has been.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Chris In NY Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 7:49 am
NYC,
Problem is we don’t really know how good Hue could’ve been. Offense improved dramatically as soon as he came on board. Had us in good position to get into the playoffs with 10 minutes to go in the regular season when the defense folded like a cheap suit. This was despite Hue, as a rookie head coach, having to step in as defacto GM in Week6, switching QBs to a guy off the couch midseason, losing his MVP-candidate RB, and being saddled with a terrible defense led by a retread DC not of his choosing. And after all that he gets canned. Coaches virtually never get canned after a single 8-8 season.
And this was all allegedly so Reggie could “bring in his own guy.” What? His own guy turned out to be a guy he had no ties to, who had never sniffed a head coaching position, who was a oneyear DC for the 20th ranked defense.
Whatever happened to the “I trust in Reggie” mantra. Don’t hear that one too much anymore. I wonder why? LOL.
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I understand Hue had as many excuses as reggie/ DA does this year. Hue imo was let go bc of ego and possibly broken bravado promises. My point is he is gone and its tiring to read about him. I dont think we lost a great coach in Hue , but time will tell. lets see if he gets a HC job next year. there will be a lot of jobs available. With respect to reggie, i struggle with him and his decisions. i also am tired of all the excuses his supporters give him. in 2013 no excuses. reggie has alot to prove
December 18th, 2012 at 8:05 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 7:57 am
nycraider Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 7:33 am
if Hue Jackson isnt a HC in the NFL next year will some of you then be quiet. some of you cant let go, Hue is in the past. good move or bad move he’s gone. To me some of you seem more like Hue fans than Raider fans.get over it. he’s gone and he’s not vince lombardi
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Same can be said for those clamoring for Jon Gruden. Hue only gets brought up because of this current shameful Coaching staff, so it’s with good reason he’s still relavent to conversation.
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gruden does have 1 superbowl ring? little different then a coach who goes 8-8 and now is a secondary coach.think hue and gruden are worlds apart right now with respect to coaching resume
December 18th, 2012 at 8:06 am
nycraider Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 7:33 am
if Hue Jackson isnt a HC in the NFL next year will some of you then be quiet. some of you cant let go, Hue is in the past. good move or bad move he’s gone. To me some of you seem more like Hue fans than Raider fans.get over it. he’s gone and he’s not vince lombardi
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Considering how the Raiders offense and team in general took a tailspin as soon as he left (and despite CP bailing it out) I can see Hue getting another chance despite his obvious ego and control issues. Most HCs have ego and control issues.
Why would you think he WOULDN’T get another chance?
December 18th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:06 am
nycraider Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 7:33 am
if Hue Jackson isnt a HC in the NFL next year will some of you then be quiet. some of you cant let go, Hue is in the past. good move or bad move he’s gone. To me some of you seem more like Hue fans than Raider fans.get over it. he’s gone and he’s not vince lombardi
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Considering how the Raiders offense and team in general took a tailspin as soon as he left (and despite CP bailing it out) I can see Hue getting another chance despite his obvious ego and control issues. Most HCs have ego and control issues.
Why would you think he WOULDN’T get another chance?
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i dont spend alot of time thinking about hue’s future. maybe some day he will be a HC again . my feeling is the rest of the league isnt as in love with hue as some in here. we’ll see. if he is the offensive genius and motivator some think he may get that chance next year when there are at least 4+ jobs available
December 18th, 2012 at 8:11 am
I understand Hue had as many excuses as reggie/ DA does this year. Hue imo was let go bc of ego and possibly broken bravado promises. My point is he is gone and its tiring to read about him. I dont think we lost a great coach in Hue , but time will tell. lets see if he gets a HC job next year. there will be a lot of jobs available. With respect to reggie, i struggle with him and his decisions. i also am tired of all the excuses his supporters give him. in 2013 no excuses. reggie has alot to prove
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Its natural for a team that has been steadily improving to sudden regression to see a ton of finger pointing and “what-ifs.”
The only way Allen can silence it is improvement and winning out. Three straight wins to close the season will shut ME up about Hue.
If he flies to the East coast and lays a frigging egg again… not so much. Too many blow outs already this season. Lets see the Raider PRIDE this Sunday, Allen. He’s got the running game on track finally…
December 18th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Somebody posted about rumors of Hue to SD. Makes sense. He has ties to So Cal and a team in the division that saw how inept the Raiders were on offense for 7 years prior to Hue’s arrival, the dramatic improvement in 2010 and the regression this year, would have a good perspective about what he can bring to a team.
Watch Hue go to SD and finally get the Chargers their first SB title.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:14 am
i dont spend alot of time thinking about hue’s future. maybe some day he will be a HC again . my feeling is the rest of the league isnt as in love with hue as some in here. we’ll see. if he is the offensive genius and motivator some think he may get that chance next year when there are at least 4+ jobs available
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He will be a OC for sure next season, and possibly a HC.
And I bet he will do well. Especially if he learned his lesson with his ego and control issues.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Fire them
December 18th, 2012 at 8:17 am
I don’t mind getting rid of Knapp, if we bring in an o.c that teaches a modern version of his offensive scheme, maximizes his players skill set and doesn’t have the creative capacity of a 87 year old.
I’d love to see any of these guys hired and made assistant head coaches/O.C
Darrell Bevell-Seattle Seahawks
Tom Clements-Green Bay Packers
Rick Dennison-Houston Texans
Bring in James Saxon from the Vikings (ZBS) and maybe he could teach DMAC to be more patient behind the ZBS and hopefully get some better results/production. It will be a contract year for him in 2013.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Man, the redskins will probably recoup some of their draft picks from the rgIII trade by trading cousins to some team that will fall in love with him based on a limited sample size.
I was hoping Pryor could do the same with us.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:19 am
PHUUCCC ALLL non Raider coaches!!!!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 8:20 am
I was hoping Pryor could do the same with u
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EXACTLY!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Don’t remember, but has Hue won on the East Coast?
I think Hue should have gotten another year but it is what it is guys! He’s gone, not coming back, and if he does go to SD…it wouldn’t be the first Ex-Raider HC to go there…probably won’t be the last!
December 18th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Chris in ny,
Our last gm broke records for futility over the past 25+ years. Reggie has a loooooooong way to catch al in the failed gm department over the past quarter century!
December 18th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Pinkslip christmas bìtches!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Like the Cable led Raiders, this team just needs a new play caller.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:24 am
J Hill Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:20 am
I was hoping Pryor could do the same with u
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EXACTLY!!!
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I saw pure panic in his eyes in his three play debut.
Good luck!
December 18th, 2012 at 8:25 am
I saw pure panic in his eyes
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LOL
You didn’t like the way he handed the ball off?
Cadence sounded shaky?
December 18th, 2012 at 8:26 am
We are asking for wins around here not excuses. Wins will put to rest many of of our negative theories about why Reggie and DA were not the right moves this year. Hue could have improved the team in five years. That is the time frame you give Reggie and DA.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:26 am
653.Chris in NY Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 7:49 am
NYC,
Problem is we don’t really know how good Hue could’ve been. Offense improved dramatically as soon as he came on board. Had us in good position to get into the playoffs with 10 minutes to go in the regular season when the defense folded like a cheap suit. This was despite Hue, as a rookie head coach, having to step in as defacto GM in Week6, switching QBs to a guy off the couch midseason, losing his MVP-candidate RB, and being saddled with a terrible defense led by a retread DC not of his choosing. And after all that he gets canned. Coaches virtually never get canned after a single 8-8 season.
And this was all allegedly so Reggie could “bring in his own guy.” What? His own guy turned out to be a guy he had no ties to, who had never sniffed a head coaching position, who was a oneyear DC for the 20th ranked defense.
Whatever happened to the “I trust in Reggie” mantra. Don’t hear that one too much anymore. I wonder why? LOL.
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There are more than a few posters who come on talking about 3-5 yr’s before we start to see any progress becuz of the never before seen in history mess Reggie inherited.
Does anybody really think the fans and media are just gonna sit around patiently waiting 3-5 yr’s beofre starting to squawk and complain about the losing?
NO WAY!
The sports world today is all about “WIN NOW” and there is no such thing as patience.
Heck, even though alot of the naysayers said we would be this bad..including the media….we still are outraged for the most part and demand it be fixed now. It’s just the way it is.
Even tho everyone says it will be another down yr. next yr. there will still be a ton of people who are outraged by the losing and demanding a fix.
The reason this will be is 1st off there’s no patience. Secondly, we have seen teams turn around quickly and we rightly wonder “why not us”? Also, alot of guys think we didn’t have to be this bad in the first place. That’s where alot of the angst comes from.
When I see a team like the perennially successful, model organization (sarcasm) St. Louis Rams go from 2-14 to vying for the playoffs the next season…i think that if you have the right people in charge…you can do the same thing.
So many excuses for why we have to suck.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Pryor has worked his way up to backup QB next year.
Progress.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Notice how the D has played much better ever since he’s been out? Even against Denver, we looked better.
26 pt’s and one of their scores came from them starting at our 2 yd. line. We also held them to fg’s in the redzone.
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Pathetic statements like this crapp is stupid.
So we give 26pts to donkeys and thats PROGRESS??!!
So instead of giving up 40 we give up 26 and still lose, and thats excepted—you in a dream world if you think that this guy DA is gonna turn this around!!!
We’ve stunk so bad under this Coaching Staff that loses are PROGRESS!!!???
December 18th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Raider (since 1967)
JERRY AND CORK – GOODMORNING !
BELEIVE IT OR NOT –BUT THERE’S A GOD UP THERE !!
GOING. TO SHARE THIS TRUE STORY WITH YOU !!
The Pigeon you saw on the field near Midfield and.around the RAIDER’S 50 yr Emblem was a Blessing sign from God or the Heavens ! Telling us that we ,although have lost the season we
Are in a Good Hearted and good people. The Pigeon although was black it shheowed a Cleasing off the – PEOPLE, THE TEAM and The STADIUM. EXACTLY IN THE CENTER OF THE FIELD !
FOR those of you that are Unbelivers well its your choice !
This Message came tto the Center not in the Endzones or in the
Stands but im the Center of Attention ! It came Dress from Heaven and GOD !!. For All the Suffering and show a New Change and a New Begining for OAKLAND this year. And because it Came just Before Christmas and Before the Years End
GOD is telling us this is the Right Way and the Right Path and things will be much Better forAll of Us !
December 18th, 2012 at 8:29 am
So if we win the last 3 games of the season, how can you justify ANY coaching changes?
December 18th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Pryor is our secret weapon! He is so talented that the NFL has prohibited from us using him more than 25 snaps in any given season. He is simply too good for the rest of the NFL to handle.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Whatever you think of Hue and Al Davis, the best evidence that Al was ‘compos mentis’ ’till the end was the gag order he put on Hue for his first six months here.
Good Morning Raider Nation!
December 18th, 2012 at 8:32 am
No, it’s Palmer that is so talented.
Palmer is keeping Pryor on the bench, lol.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Dakota,
We all know the Raiders struggled for seven seasons befor showing signs of progress in 2010-2011, but you’re not seriously comparing Chubby Checker to Al Davis, are you? Let’s revisit that one when Chubby has three rings and a yellow HOF jacket. CC is 4-10 as GM. I think the closest he gets to a yellow jacket is if he spills an inordinate amount of mustard on his shirt at lunch.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:32 am
If we win our last three games?
Lollollollollollollollollollollollollol
December 18th, 2012 at 8:33 am
We lose, I expect the negativity. We win, we still get negativity because of everyone’s different opinions of what should happen, who should be coach, etc! I’ll save mine for the offseason. See who goes, see who we get, draft, FA, or whatever! Different opininons of whether or not its the coaching, its the players, its friggen Jeannette Thompson…whoever! Yes, this losing is pathetic, and the only one person that I say must go now is Knapp, but if DA is gonna keep him around, what can we do? And besides guys, I never seen any GM get fired after a year…just saying…
December 18th, 2012 at 8:34 am
J Hill Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:29 am
So if we win the last 3 games of the season, how can you justify ANY coaching changes?
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You nothing about football, if you thinks thats gonna happen!
December 18th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Dakota Says:
Pryor is our secret weapon! He is so talented that the NFL has prohibited from us using him more than 25 snaps in any given season. He is simply too good for the rest of the NFL to handle
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He’ll be ‘the wave of the future’ after the current wave of the future become the norm.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Hey that pidgeon was cool!
December 18th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Dakota Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Pryor is our secret weapon! He is so talented that the NFL has prohibited from us using him more than 25 snaps in any given season. He is simply too good for the rest of the NFL to handle.
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hahaha. Yeah, I’ve read that Pryor is the most talented player in the entire league on this blog at least 2,000 times.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:38 am
LOL
So Kim Newton’s team is unbeatable? Didn’ they just lose to the Chiefs?
SD is unbeatable?????
December 18th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Chris in ny,
I didn’t say that. But the insinuation that we miss al Davis after one failed season by Reggie is laughable. Al davis’ record as gm over the past quarter century is putrid by his own standards. Reggie may not be the answer, but it will take a decade of failed gms to match al davis’ level of failure.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:45 am
J Hill Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:38 am
LOL
So Kim Newton’s team is unbeatable? Didn’ they just lose to the Chiefs?
SD is unbeatable?????
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The Point is we won’t win…Regression will continue with this staff.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:49 am
There have been many leaders, CEOs, and brilliant people who had some great years, but then were passed up by time. Of course al gets props for what he did for the raiders prior to the advent of the lightbulb, indoor plumbing and motorized carriages, but he failed to adjust and keep up. Any gm with his record over the past quarter century plus would have been fired long ago.
But I understand why he chose to ruin his team rather than watch someone else succeed with his team….I just wish he had done what would have been right for the team and let a gm run the team with him just writing checks. No owner wanted to win as badly as he did, but his ego sunk us.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Chris in NY Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Somebody posted about rumors of Hue to SD. Makes sense.
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Please, oh please, SD hire Jackson! Jackson would be good for that franchise. Jackson is the guy who will build a bully. Jackson is the guy who will get the offense moving even though he got outcoached in the second half of games and turned the playcalling over to Saunders at the end. Jackson is the guy who can really manage a game even though he can’t call a coin flip and he burns all his second half timeouts by the third quarter. And one thing about Jackson, he will install discipline even though he had the most penalized team in the history of the world. In fact when McClain got arrested for shooting a gun off at someone’s head, Jackson bought him a present, and put him in the next game instead of suspending him. But fortunately McClain learned from Jackson’s stern discipline. You guys are right. Jackson killed it here. We would be undefeated with Jackson at the helm right now. Just ask Cincy.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:49 am
If you guys give Reggie a break for having a talentless team than why hammer Palmer for not being superman and leading the team to glorious victories?
One thing I would like Palmer to do though is be more assertive. I don’t expect him to be like Peyton Manning and Brady as far as pinpoint accuracy, but i think he could be more of a “jerk” for lack of a better word.
He seems to much of a nice guy…always toting the company line in praising Knapp and everything the org does. You don’t see him on the sidelines in huddles with the offense etc.
Peyton is more like a player/coach out there and doesn’t tolerate the least bit of incompetency.
Palmer just kind of lollygags back to the sideline and stands by himself…from what i see. Unfortunately, I can’t attend all the games so i don’t know if i’m missing something or not, but that’s what it looks like.
I wonder if Palmer is trying to protect his image and doesn’t wanna come off as an egocentric jerk, but it seems he could do more to take control and demand better from his offense.
I’d like him to be more of a “jerk”.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:50 am
The Point is we won’t win…Regression will continue with this staff.
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They didn’t regress the last game. In fact they didn’t regress the last two games.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Talk about self serving bias giving Hue one years to make it to the playoff and giving DA/Reggie five years.No excuses!! DA/Reggie need to continue winning games like you guys expected Hue to do.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Omoran, sometimes I wished my mind worked like yours. But then, sometimes I’m afraid it actually does.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:54 am
I’d like him to be more of a “jerk”.
698.Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:50 am
The Point is we won’t win…Regression will continue with this staff.
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They didn’t regress the last game. In fact they didn’t regress the last two games.
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You can only regress so far. Not scoring a TD vs the Chiefs is not exactly improvement.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:56 am
698.Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:50 am
The Point is we won’t win…Regression will continue with this staff.
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They didn’t regress the last game. In fact they didn’t regress the last two games.
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And is this what it has come down to? Being happy about not getting worse?
December 18th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Raider (since 1967)★
The Holy Pigeon or Pidgeon was the Sign that GOD gave the People of Oakland. To be Patient with these New Servants
and that we Already Paid for All we Did and the Hurting and Wrong Doings with 100+ loses !” The Stingly case!
Same thing happened with Castro in 1959 in his Famous Revolution Speech! And he is Still Alive today and nothing has
Hurt him! Look at the Famous News Reels. TRUE STORY !!
SO I figure this is the Sign From Heaven, Whatelse can it be .?
2 Week in Advance and Before Year’s End.
Yet, behold Those who show Hate and Kick it for They Wish Not to be Born !!!
December 18th, 2012 at 8:56 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:49 am
If you guys give Reggie a break for having a talentless team than why hammer Palmer for not being superman and leading the team to glorious victories?
One thing I would like Palmer to do though is be more assertive. I don’t expect him to be like Peyton Manning and Brady as far as pinpoint accuracy, but i think he could be more of a “jerk” for lack of a better word.
He seems to much of a nice guy…always toting the company line in praising Knapp and everything the org does. You don’t see him on the sidelines in huddles with the offense etc.
Peyton is more like a player/coach out there and doesn’t tolerate the least bit of incompetency.
Palmer just kind of lollygags back to the sideline and stands by himself…from what i see. Unfortunately, I can’t attend all the games so i don’t know if i’m missing something or not, but that’s what it looks like.
I wonder if Palmer is trying to protect his image and doesn’t wanna come off as an egocentric jerk, but it seems he could do more to take control and demand better from his offense.
I’d like him to be more of a “jerk”.
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Palmer seems different since the cincy disaster. when his teamates didnt step up for him and left him hanging , i think he realized its a lost cause.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Taking us to record setting rock bottom and then bouncing against another putrid team may not be regression, but it sure isn’t profess.
This coaching staff has been a complete and utter failure.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:58 am
why not let pryor play the first quarter. we only had 1 td in the 1st quarter in 14 games and cp3 qb rating is about 65 in the first quarter
December 18th, 2012 at 8:58 am
705.Dakota Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Taking us to record setting rock bottom and then bouncing against another putrid team may not be regression, but it sure isn’t profess.
This coaching staff has been a complete and utter failure.
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Well, at least they completed something.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Progress….I hate this phone.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Come on Seymour, were you really encouraged by the KC game? 5 FGs on 6 attempts, 3 from 50+ against easily the worst team in the NFL? At home mind you. We basically looked like a 4-10 team beating a defeated, bad 2-12 team in an ugly, sloppy game.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:00 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:56 am
698.Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:50 am
The Point is we won’t win…Regression will continue with this staff.
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They didn’t regress the last game. In fact they didn’t regress the last two games.
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And is this what it has come down to? Being happy about not getting worse?
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There’s an expression in sports. Either you are getting better or you are getting worse. Nothing stays the same. If this team is getting better, that’s fine. In fact, that is what Allen promised us, and if there is one thing that I hold Allen’s feet to the fire is this team has regressed over the season. If this team can continue to improve, in all facets, this team can be a good team, and be a good team fairly quickly. At this point, I don’t know what else to tell you. Or We could just change the coaching staff, front office, and scouting departements again.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:01 am
do you really believe a gm wouldnt influence or approve a coaches decision on who they hire as coordiantor
December 18th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Chris in NY Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Come on Seymour, were you really encouraged by the KC game?
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A W is a W. If we would have lost you people would have gone nuts. You win, you guys go nuts. What do you guys want, a tie?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:05 am
I really don’t understand this freaking fascination with the Houston Texans and being married to the ZBS.
Tired of being told that it’s easy to find and plug scrub OLinemen into the ZBS, and all that’s needed is some time and patience to make it work.
It’s unadulterated garbage.
The ZBS and it’s inherent cut blocking is dirty pansy football.
Straight ahead, mano y mano, power blocking is what football should be about.
Screw the ZBS.
SCRAP THE KRAPP !
December 18th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Alameda County Sheriff’s Office will soon have a small unmanned aircraft to help with law enforcement duties.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Chris in NY Says:
Come on Seymour, were you really encouraged by the KC game? 5 FGs on 6 attempts, 3 from 50+ against easily the worst team in the NFL? At home mind you. We basically looked like a 4-10 team beating a defeated, bad 2-12 team in an ugly, sloppy game.
Turf toe Says:
“FIELD GOAL, RRRRRRRAAAAIDERS!”
December 18th, 2012 at 9:06 am
nycraider Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:01 am
do you really believe a gm wouldnt influence or approve a coaches decision on who they hire as coordiantor
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Most HC’s are free to hire their own assistants. If you watch Allen during games his coordinators and assistants are the ones running the show.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:07 am
romania Says:
Alameda County Sheriff’s Office will soon have a small unmanned aircraft to help with law enforcement duties.
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Armed?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:07 am
cant believe the texans are playing better without briesel and knapp. shocking
December 18th, 2012 at 9:07 am
BTW,
I don’t generally believe in ghosts and that sort of thing. I don’t rule it out either though. But this is one of those unforgettable moments where you say, wow, did that just happen? Al sending a message? I think Mark was freaked the fug out:
http://youtu.be/Ell_hPUCg7Q
December 18th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Seymour Bush, Are you defending the FACT that Hue gave the Raiders the best chance of winning this year? If are not defending that Fact you already lost that arguement!10-4 is are record and your words are the Raiders are getting better. I hope so!!! Are you more upset at us because the Raiders only won four games or are you more upset with this coaching staff at this point?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:06 am
nycraider Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:01 am
do you really believe a gm wouldnt influence or approve a coaches decision on who they hire as coordiantor
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Most HC’s are free to hire their own assistants. If you watch Allen during games his coordinators and assistants are the ones running the show.
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most HC do rely on their asst. but to think reggie had no involvement, approval, or influence with the hiring of knapp and tarver is foolish.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:15 am
I give credit when credit is due.DA gets credit for winning this last game and pitching a shutout. Hope it continues next week!
December 18th, 2012 at 9:16 am
2romes Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Seymour Bush, Are you defending the FACT that Hue gave the Raiders the best chance of winning this year? If are not defending that Fact you already lost that arguement!
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Huh? How do you know Jackson gave the Raiders the best chance to win this year? Jackson without a doubt lost the team last year. Jasckson was a coin flip away from going winless the last third of the season with playoffs on the line. I don’t know about you, but that kind of sucks ass to me.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Sorry, wrong link. Try this:
http://youtu.be/ElI_hPUCg7Q
December 18th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:50 am
The Point is we won’t win…Regression will continue with this staff.
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They didn’t regress the last game. In fact they didn’t regress the last two games.
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What you gonna say when they lose the last 2 games?
Keep DA and this ridiculous Staff?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:17 am
I think we’ll see a lot more of the younger players and back ups in the next two games. With the Chefs, if you’re playing the worst team in the league, and suspect they might rather lose for draft position, just how much would you learn about you’re back ups? They’re going to play hard no matter what ’cause they’re back ups. Might be a good time to see how hard your starters play in a “meaningless game” and if they’re football players or check cashers. Still two games to go to evaluate players, and San Diego won’t be tanking for draft position at home.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:20 am
nycraider Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:06 am
nycraider Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:01 am
do you really believe a gm wouldnt influence or approve a coaches decision on who they hire as coordiantor
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Most HC’s are free to hire their own assistants. If you watch Allen during games his coordinators and assistants are the ones running the show.
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most HC do rely on their asst. but to think reggie had no involvement, approval, or influence with the hiring of knapp and tarver is foolish.
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Al Davis OK’d everything with regards to this organization down to the parking lot atttendants. But that is not standard operating procedure for other orgs. I am positive that McKenzie OK’d the hires. I am sure that McKenzie told Allen of some recommendations and if he needed help McKenzie would help him make decisions on his staff. Johnnie Holland is here because of McKenzie. But saying McKenzie picked Tarver and Knapp probably is just not right.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Alameda County Sheriff’s Office will soon have a small unmanned aircraft to help with law enforcement duties.
Only for surveillance…………..for now?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:20 am
That Fact is Hue had already established STABILITY on one side of the ball. One of the top rated offenses. FACT! And your counter is ?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:20 am
What you gonna say when they lose the last 2 games?
Keep DA and this ridiculous Staff?
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Uh, don’t know. Gotta watch the last two games..
December 18th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Seymour, there is nothing to back up your claim that Jackson lost the team. Furthermore, we completely outplayed the Chiefs for 55 minutes in that game. They rallied to tie it at the end. First play of OT Hue dials up a bomb to DHB and the game was over. We were also a McJogger tackle of Stafford in the open field away from going 2-3 and a late stand against SD whwn they were pinned on their 1 away from finishing 3-2. Bottom line is we were a helluva lot better and more competitive under HJ than under DA. Do you deny that?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:20 am
What you gonna say when they lose the last 2 games?
Keep DA and this ridiculous Staff?
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Uh, don’t know. Gotta watch the last two games..
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You’ll See!!
December 18th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:20 am
nycraider Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:06 am
nycraider Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:01 am
do you really believe a gm wouldnt influence or approve a coaches decision on who they hire as coordiantor
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Most HC’s are free to hire their own assistants. If you watch Allen during games his coordinators and assistants are the ones running the show.
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most HC do rely on their asst. but to think reggie had no involvement, approval, or influence with the hiring of knapp and tarver is foolish.
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Al Davis OK’d everything with regards to this organization down to the parking lot atttendants. But that is not standard operating procedure for other orgs. I am positive that McKenzie OK’d the hires. I am sure that McKenzie told Allen of some recommendations and if he needed help McKenzie would help him make decisions on his staff. Johnnie Holland is here because of McKenzie. But saying McKenzie picked Tarver and Knapp probably is just not right.
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did i say picked? nope i said involved and supported. he doesnt get a pass..
December 18th, 2012 at 9:26 am
2romes Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:20 am
That Fact is Hue had already established STABILITY on one side of the ball. One of the top rated offenses. FACT! And your counter is ?
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In the last third of season Jackson got zero against Miami til the end, zero against GB until the game was long decided, one TD against an under .500 KC team. That’s not a top rated offense. He only put up points against Detroit and SD because his Q played absolutely lights out. And he lost both of those games too. With everything on the line. That’s my answer.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:27 am
“I think that was a good confidence-builder,’’ Allen said. “Now we have to build on that.’’
Is this guy Mr. Generic or what. Can’t wait to see him canned but I suspect Allen, Knapp and Tarver will all be on board in ‘13.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Chris in NY Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Seymour, there is nothing to back up your claim that Jackson lost the team. Furthermore, we completely outplayed the Chiefs for 55 minutes in that game.
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Did you watch those games? And last time I looked NFL games last 60 minutes, not 55.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:28 am
I am talking about best chances to win this years. The FANS that were counting on the Raiders best chances to win this year were cheated.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:29 am
romania Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Alameda County Sheriff’s Office will soon have a small unmanned aircraft to help with law enforcement duties.
Only for surveillance…………..for now?
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It will be the only one watching next year’s games if Knapp is NOT fired.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Ok, yeah we suck because we let Hue go…who knows what would have happened this year…besides name a HC that got fired from his job and became an assistant Db coach…come on guys…I liked Hue’s creativity which I will agree that Krapp has none, but…my thoughts…we should have kept Cable guy with Hue one more year as OC, and Marshall as DC! Say what you want about Cable, he did get the troops motivated to play!
December 18th, 2012 at 9:35 am
5 fgs? damym that is offensive…
December 18th, 2012 at 9:36 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Ok, yeah we suck because we let Hue go…who knows what would have happened this year…besides name a HC that got fired from his job and became an assistant Db coach…come on guys…I liked Hue’s creativity which I will agree that Krapp has none, but…my thoughts…we should have kept Cable guy with Hue one more year as OC, and Marshall as DC! Say what you want about Cable, he did get the troops motivated to play!
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Thank you. If Kubiak and Wilson got axed in Houston, Jackson took over and that team was 12-4, kicking opponents asses with Jackson leading it? I would say we fooked up. But everyone in the league passed on Jackson until his buddy Marv Lewis took pity on him, made him an assistant to the position coaches and then demoted him. You have got to be kidding about Jackson.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:38 am
2romes Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:28 am
I am talking about best chances to win this years. The FANS that were counting on the Raiders best chances to win this year were cheated.
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But that is the point. I am not interest in THIS year. McKenzie is not interested THIS year. Allen is not interested this year. They come from orgs that are in it EVERY YEAR. That’s what we are trying to do here. And that takes a bit, and you have to do things right. From the beginning.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:38 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:58 am
705.Dakota Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Taking us to record setting rock bottom and then bouncing against another putrid team may not be regression, but it sure isn’t profess.
This coaching staff has been a complete and utter failure.
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Well, at least they completed something.
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How to explain the difference between COMPLETE and FINISHED in a way that is easy to understand.
Some people say there is no difference between COMPLETE and FINISHED.
Here is his astute answer: When you marry the right woman, you are COMPLETE. When you marry the wrong woman, you are FINISHED. And when the right one catches you with the wrong one, you are COMPLETELY FINISHED!
December 18th, 2012 at 9:40 am
2011 total offense Raiders ranked 9 and rushing offense ranked 7. Fact!
December 18th, 2012 at 9:41 am
very astute!
December 18th, 2012 at 9:42 am
r8er Mike
you’re very astute!
December 18th, 2012 at 9:43 am
alswingman Says:
“I think that was a good confidence-builder,’’ Allen said. “Now we have to build on that.’’
Is this guy Mr. Generic or what.
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With rare exceptions, all coachspeak to the media is generic. Doesn’t matter if you act like John Madden or Tom Flores on the sidelines.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:38 am
2romes Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:28 am
I am talking about best chances to win this years. The FANS that were counting on the Raiders best chances to win this year were cheated.
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But that is the point. I am not interest in THIS year. McKenzie is not interested THIS year. Allen is not interested this year. They come from orgs that are in it EVERY YEAR. That’s what we are trying to do here. And that takes a bit, and you have to do things right. From the beginning
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I have a problem with giving anyone a pass for one year. What about working with what you got until you make it better? Why have to wait for everything to be perfect to begin doing thier jobs?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:47 am
I wish Mark,Reggie and DA made that loud and clear that they did not expect to be competive this year. I would have definitely held on to my money until they thought they were going to be competitive. Did you here that they were not interested in this year? When?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:48 am
747.Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:43 am
alswingman Says:
“I think that was a good confidence-builder,’’ Allen said. “Now we have to build on that.’’
Is this guy Mr. Generic or what.
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With rare exceptions, all coachspeak to the media is generic. Doesn’t matter if you act like John Madden or Tom Flores on the sidelines.
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Not all coaches “Are who we thought they were”
December 18th, 2012 at 9:49 am
J Hill Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:19 am
PHUUCCC ALLL non Raider coaches!!!!!!
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Add the current Raiders coaches to that list too.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:53 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:48 am
747.Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:43 am
alswingman Says:
“I think that was a good confidence-builder,’’ Allen said. “Now we have to build on that.’’
Is this guy Mr. Generic or what.
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With rare exceptions, all coachspeak to the media is generic. Doesn’t matter if you act like John Madden or Tom Flores on the sidelines.
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Not all coaches “Are who we thought they were”
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Super generic. If kicking 5 FG’s against the worst team in the league is a “good confidence builder” for you, then you are a loser. Period. A real head coach would have been looking at the holes we didnt exploit in the game, not pumping their chest out about shutting out a team that tried NOT to score. KC could have easily kicked 2 FG’s but chose to go for it on 4th, when the game was still in hand. Because it is clear that they were just playing exhibition. KC is set on getting the #1 pick. Whether we agree with their tactics or not doesnt matter. All that matters is that the KC coaches has no real interest in winning the game, but Dennis Allen is acting like he accomplished something. This guy is lame. If he coaches the Raiders next year, no playoffs. No winning record. The sooner DA is gone, the better.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Alex, this is a day late and a dollar short but:
(1) John Fox was 2-14 his last season in Carolina.
(2) John Fox wasn’t fired by Carolina (his contract was not renewed)
December 18th, 2012 at 9:54 am
hwnrdr Says:
Ok, yeah we suck because we let Hue go…who knows what would have happened this year…besides name a HC that got fired from his job and became an assistant Db coach…come on guys…I liked Hue’s creativity which I will agree that Krapp has none, but…my thoughts…we should have kept Cable guy with Hue one more year as OC, and Marshall as DC! Say what you want about Cable, he did get the troops motivated to play!
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That’s always been my favorite ‘what if’ scenario. But Seymour Bush and I have an alternative theory on Hues hiring and promotion to head coach.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Seymour,
Jackson was never demoted in Cincy. More fiction. He’ll undoubtedly be back as an OC or head coach next year. He was late to the mix with some confusion surrounding his situation with the Raiders last offseason. Jeff Fisher almost made him OC in St. Louis.
You do not take the 31st ranked offense over and instantle make them top 10 for two straight years, lose your job throug no fault of your own and then not get snatched up by another team.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Advice…so fellas I managed another win in FF playoffs. My quaterbacks are Eli Manning and Josh Freeman…I made the “right” decision and played Freeman last week (2 more points)
Do I start Freeman or Eli or do I go to the waiver wire?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:55 am
2romes Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:47 am
I wish Mark,Reggie and DA made that loud and clear that they did not expect to be competive this year. I would have definitely held on to my money until they thought they were going to be competitive. Did you here that they were not interested in this year? When?
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Never. It never happened. They were all confident that this team had the ability to win the division this season. Printed fact that no one can deny. DA can’t coach. Bottom line. DA, Knapp, Tarver, Williams, all scrub coaches that we can do much better than.
We have a worse HC than last year, DC, about even, OC is worse, D-Line coach is worse. Anyone who wants to keep these guys around, enjoys seeing the Raiders lose.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:57 am
756.DutchRaider77 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Advice…so fellas I managed another win in FF playoffs. My quaterbacks are Eli Manning and Josh Freeman…I made the “right” decision and played Freeman last week (2 more points)
Do I start Freeman or Eli or do I go to the waiver wire?
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Eli unless you can get Luck from the Waiver, Indy’s playing the Cheifs, and unless you’re led by DA and Co., usually means a big day for the offense
December 18th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Eli. Have much more faith in the Giants passing game. Way more upside there. And this is about the time the Giants go on a tear.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:59 am
By the way, Jerry and Steve have both been complimentary to this staff since they arrived, and will continue to do so. Not because theyre good coaches, but because theyre “nice” to them. I get it. Whatever. But lets not pretend that Jerry and Steve have any interest in seeing the Raiders win. This is just their jobs. And their jobs have been easier with the new regime. And so every chance they can, Jerry and Cork have been quick to defend, and slow to criticize. Not hard to see whats going on there.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:00 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:38 am
2romes Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:28 am
I am talking about best chances to win this years. The FANS that were counting on the Raiders best chances to win this year were cheated.
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But that is the point. I am not interest in THIS year. McKenzie is not interested THIS year. Allen is not interested this year. They come from orgs that are in it EVERY YEAR. That’s what we are trying to do here. And that takes a bit, and you have to do things right. From the beginning
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I have a problem with giving anyone a pass for one year. What about working with what you got until you make it better? Why have to wait for everything to be perfect to begin doing thier jobs?
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Reggie failed miserably this year. In July he said he felt we could be competitive and compete for the playoffs, he had a chance to cut seymour and instead he gives him a long term contract that hits our cap by 5+ mil next year when he’s cut, he franchised branch and then did the unthinkable, gave him a long term deal. He gave Briesel the bust a 20 mil contract which when cut next year hits our cap by 2.7. throw in a restructuring of Palmers contract and all of Reggie’s whiffs in Free agency and you get a GM who had a bad year. ESPECIALLY for a gm who is supposed to be rebuilding. Reggie failed in 2012 but does have his excuses. in 2013 there are no excuses. Reggie will be here but not sure that makes me feel confident considering his body of work this year.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Freeman is playing the Rams, and Jeff Fisher has turned that defense around in only his 1st year.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:01 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:38 am
2romes Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:28 am
I am talking about best chances to win this years. The FANS that were counting on the Raiders best chances to win this year were cheated.
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But that is the point. I am not interest in THIS year. McKenzie is not interested THIS year. Allen is not interested this year. They come from orgs that are in it EVERY YEAR. That’s what we are trying to do here. And that takes a bit, and you have to do things right. From the beginning
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I have a problem with giving anyone a pass for one year. What about working with what you got until you make it better? Why have to wait for everything to be perfect to begin doing thier jobs?
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Because it doesn’t work that way. The lst thing they are doing is instituting their systems. These are systems that are proven to work. Then they will begin to institute their players into those systems. If they took what was here, the things that have failed for 10 years and tried tweaking something here and there to try to limp to a 9 or 10 win season, there would be a mish mash of players and systems which is EXACTLY what has been going on here and why we haven’t won in 10 years.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:02 am
GG,
Great find on that Libor scandal stuff. Thankyou for posting. Im starting to see it posted on other blogs as well.
VERY interesting connection.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Chris in NY Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Seymour,
Jackson was never demoted in Cincy. More fiction. He’ll undoubtedly be back as an OC or head coach next year.
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He WAS demoted. Look it up.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Hue Jackson is one of the two best in-game play callers in the NFL next to Norv Turner.
No two guys are better at situational play calling and catching a D off guard than those two. It’s what they do best.
Both will have jobs next year as OC’s if they want them.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Stop all the DA will be here next year crap! Nobody is this terrible at their job and keeps it.DA sucks,get it through your fking heads. SUCKS!
December 18th, 2012 at 10:05 am
As of this moment big mack and davis have egg on their faces. They dismissed hu jack and decided to hire allen, and it appears to me that hu jack departure had more to do with personality and perceived professional ethic than it does with x’s and o’s.
When jackson completed the season ther were only two o field concerns for this team. The health of the players was first, as all everyone could talk about was “when (insert player name’s) gets back it will be an instabnt upgrade”.
the second on field concern was the defense, every one could see we needed better players and better coaching.
The off field concerns are what truly cost jackson his gig. Post game meltdowns and throwing players coachse and office personnel into the cross hairs in an instant. This coupled with the power vacuum in player personnel or football operations after the death of davis sr were too much for hu jack to survive.
The trade has clealry set the franchise back, yes that was hu jack fault and dvais’s fault for signing off on it, but jacks on was never hired for that job in the first place. Any fair evaluation would consider that fact.
he took the team to 8-8 even while carrying the worst defense in football, losing dmac and the back bone of the team jason campbell in the year that nfl icon al davis expires. His wild card antics in pressers, and behind closed doors are what big mack and dvis clearly did not like.
So they hired allen, and allen has been a disaster on wheels. allen hired a god awful staff, and dismantled the identity that the raiders were beginning to build under jackson. jackson team was known for power running and deep passing explosive offense.
Allen and knapp have been known for getting booed off the field, going three and out and beig at the bottom of the nfl in red zone scoring.
Allen is 4-12 and there are too many on field concerns to list. yet off the field he now also appears to be out of step with the front office and players.
It appears that allen is gambling and hoping that winning out will allow him to stay. this is why he flat out refused to play pryor. This is a selfish risk to take, and if it doesnt work im not sure how big mack can let him back into the building next year.
failing to fire allen for a 4 win season would be big mack taking a risk of his own.
I for one would be more than happy to see allen gone.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Yes but they have been drafting and/or picking up d players for years…same like SF…they have been pretty set drafting defense, the lines…Harbaugh just put it together!
Who did we have?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@Judge and Chris,
Thanks for the info and opinion!
Russell Wilson is the “only” thing on the waiver wire by a huge margin. Everyone you can think of his gone! Wilson is playing the 9ers at home…
December 18th, 2012 at 10:06 am
ten and then…lol
December 18th, 2012 at 10:06 am
huejak is an very good OC..agreed
December 18th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Chris in NY Says:
Seymour,
Jackson was never demoted in Cincy. More fiction. He’ll undoubtedly be back as an OC or head coach next year. He was late to the mix with some confusion surrounding his situation with the Raiders last offseason. Jeff Fisher almost made him OC in St. Louis.
You do not take the 31st ranked offense over and instantle make them top 10 for two straight years, lose your job throug no fault of your own and then not get snatched up by another team.
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Wait a second. Hue was released about as soon as possible with no confusion about the Raiders situation. He was interviewed and rejected by Fisher. And so, he did “take the 31st ranked offense over and instantly make them top 10 for two straight years, lose his job through no fault of his own” and NOT get snatched up for a meaningful position by another team.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:07 am
763.Seymour Bush Says:
Because it doesn’t work that way. The lst thing they are doing is instituting their systems. These are systems that are proven to work. Then they will begin to institute their players into those systems. If they took what was here, the things that have failed for 10 years and tried tweaking something here and there to try to limp to a 9 or 10 win season, there would be a mish mash of players and systems which is EXACTLY what has been going on here and why we haven’t won in 10 years.
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Rookie’s across the board who have proven nothing. When has Tarver proven his system works? Allen proven he can coach? Reggie proven whatever Reggie does? Only one with experience is Knapp who has proven that his system DOES Not work, no matter who’s in it or how long it’s there (Never more than 3 years). Adjust your system to the players there. Not waste an entire year teaching guys something when they wont even be there next year.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:07 am
If Reggie and Mark blows this staff up at the end of the year I will be surprised, but I wouldn’t object! But…
December 18th, 2012 at 10:07 am
The bottom line is that it’s the players on the field that need to get their act together.
This defensive core has had opportunities with 3 different DC’s in the last 3 years and the players have looked like crap all three years.
Cant keep blaming the coaches. Blame Chuck B all you want, but our D was just as sorry the year before Chuck B and just as sorry the year after. It seems the more modern a D scheme we run, the worse we look. Thats entirely on the players.
Hue wanted to gut this team. He was let down big time by the players. Most of you will blame the D. But for some reason you blame Chuck B’s scheme. Ok, so if it was just the scheme that was the problem, why is it they are worse under a real defensive scheme? Your logic doesnt make sense. It’s either the players or the coaches. We’ve tried numerous coaches and gotten the same results.
It’s time to start holding the players accountable. They are the ones on the field.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:08 am
JDB,
Exactly. Not to mention the media always said for years that all our problems would be solved once Al’s time passed. Now that they’re being proven completely wrong they’re trying to save face. Beat reporters have been incredibly soft on the new regime so far. Poor job of supposedly representing the fans and their interests. I’d say the media exceptions to the softball questions and outright cheerleading are Romo, Greg Papa, Mike Silver and Monte Poole. But guys like Cork, Jerry, Tafur and others have neglected their duties, IMO.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:09 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:06 am
@Judge and Chris,
Thanks for the info and opinion!
Russell Wilson is the “only” thing on the waiver wire by a huge margin. Everyone you can think of his gone! Wilson is playing the 9ers at home
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I don’t know what else is on the wire but should be more than wilson. The opponents are most important, as long as you stay away from the proven terrible ones. Look for Garbage time QB’s like Palmer or Rivers, Hassleback vs GB etc…
December 18th, 2012 at 10:11 am
We have been poor in the redzone for the last 2 years with different coaches. yet reggie wouldnt bring in a Vet WR who catches TDs or creates separation. We struggle in the redzone because we dont have playmakers. Plain and simple.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Hue Jackson is one of the two best in-game play callers in the NFL next to Norv Turner.
No two guys are better at situational play calling and catching a D off guard than those two. It’s what they do best.
Both will have jobs next year as OC’s if they want them.
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If that is true, then why did Jackson go basically half the season not scoring points in the second half of games when adjustments were made? And then why did the entire league not offer him a coordinator position?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:13 am
776. Many fans thought Al Davis’s scheme was the problem, that adding some Zone and Blitzes will be an improvement. Defensively the problem definetly was the players.
Offense lacks talent too but we saw some improvement in 2 years of Hue Jack and their regression is unacceptable, Especially when Knapp had an entire offseason to teach his horrible system.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:13 am
TP has never thrown up before in his life?
Clearly his college experience was a tad different than mine.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Hey Riff
Alameda County Sheriff’s Office will soon have a small unmanned aircraft to help with law enforcement duties.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:15 am
780.Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Hue Jackson is one of the two best in-game play callers in the NFL next to Norv Turner.
No two guys are better at situational play calling and catching a D off guard than those two. It’s what they do best.
Both will have jobs next year as OC’s if they want them.
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If that is true, then why did Jackson go basically half the season not scoring points in the second half of games when adjustments were made? And then why did the entire league not offer him a coordinator position?
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Management let Hue Jack down. They should’ve never allowed him roster authortiy. He began wearing his GM hat more than his HC and that was his down fall. His game planning and coaching got worse and worse after Al Died because he wasn’t forced to focus on coaching.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Seymour,
Hate to burst ur bubble. Hue was never demoted in Cincy. He was hired as assistant DBs and special teams coach and that’s still his title, though Marvin Lewis mad it clear he’s much more than that and made it sound like he’s practically an assistant head coach.
Search “Bengals add Hue Jackson” on Bengals site article from Feb. States right there his title upon hiring.
I think there’s a very good chance Hue resurfaces as a head coach in 2013. And if Jay Gruden should land a HC job the Bengals will make Hue their OC five seconds later.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am
They failed from the start then because the offense was not failing. First rule, see what is directly in front of you and move toward it if success has been proven. These is pretty much your words Seymour, because we are going by what you say was sucessful in regards to Reggies concept. Has zone blocking been proven to win more Superbowls than power blocking? Go a head make your point.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am
782.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:13 am
TP has never thrown up before in his life?
Clearly his college experience was a tad different than mine.
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He’s obviously never been punched in the ju-junum
December 18th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Raider Riff Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Cant keep blaming the coaches. Blame Chuck B all you want, but our D was just as sorry the year before Chuck B and just as sorry the year after. It seems the more modern a D scheme we run, the worse we look. Thats entirely on the players.
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If you look at the NFL, the league over just the last couple of years has gotten more and more and more complex. On both sides of the ball. Now instead of the OC calling a play, the OC will relay a set of plays, and the Q can run or kill the set. Defenses show a look, muddy that look and then run a defense. This requires some pretty smart hombres out there figuring this stuff out on the field. Al didn’t draft smart hombres. He drafted athletes. Bill Walsh was a guy who wanted smart people out there.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:19 am
I think we just need a signal jammer in the stadium to block the plays being sent in from Knapp to Palmer
December 18th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Post #638 I could not have said it better!!! I am right there with you I’m done watching we have lost everything we LOVE about THE RAIDERS… I won’t be renewing my season seats this season!!! Coming from So Cal to watch a once proud organization flounder gets tough to stomach year after year!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 10:23 am
In the end were the Raiders going to win a SB with Hue? Probably not. But can’t deny the games were fun to watch again. And in the end that’s all i want now, let me enjoy the only football game i watch once a week, 3 months out of the year. This season is unbearable, it’s gut wrenching to watch the product on the field.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:23 am
I think there’s a very good chance Hue resurfaces as a head coach in 2013.
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LMAO
Tom Cable will be a HC before Hue is
December 18th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Wasn’t it said that Cable’s name has surfaced as HC for 2013?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:13 am
TP has never thrown up before in his life?
Clearly his college experience was a tad different than mine.
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LMFAO !!!
well said sir !!!
still lmao !!
December 18th, 2012 at 10:25 am
BTW: For anyone who watched the pre-game show last night … wtf? did Tom Jackson say now? I seen many tweets telling him to F off!
December 18th, 2012 at 10:26 am
792.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:23 am
I think there’s a very good chance Hue resurfaces as a head coach in 2013.
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LMAO
Tom Cable will be a HC before Hue is
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Both were better than Dennis Allen, and that’s no laughing matter.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:27 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Hue was the Ralph Cramdon of pro football. He had a biiiiiiiig mouth! But he was more entertaining than this stuff.
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Yes, he did and yes he was.
You know, once upon a time there really was a RAIDER mystique.
There really was a RAIDER identity and RAIDER character.
There really was a RAIDER brand of football.
Renegades. Us against the world. Blue collar. Brawlers.
It was more than just the sustained excellence.
It was more than just all the winning.
There was identity. There was style.
Guess that came from the Old Man.
Ah well, those days are gone.
Truth be told, the Raider mystique was all but gone even before Al’s passing.
A decade of futility will do that.
Ain’t really a reason to be a RAIDER fan any longer.
Just another one of the NFL corporate 32.
About all that’s left is the uniforms.
I’ll always be a RAIDER fan. They say ‘old habits die hard’. For me, RAIDER football was more than just a habit, it was an ingrained part of life. Always looked forward to watching them play and seeing what moves Al was making. It was fun. It was exciting. Even through the darkest years.
Not too exciting and not much fun anymore.
Maybe it’s for the best. I’m too old to be taking this sht seriously anymore or to be getting aggravated about it.
I need a vacation.
Think I’ll take one til Tits and Krapp are gone.
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+1
December 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am
JFB, we’ll see. I could maybe see him taking over in Seattle for PCif he retires soon. May be toug to sell his track record as a head coach anywhere else though. I ur a GM, are you going to tie your fate to a guy who bombed out as HC of Idaho and went 17-27 as an NFL head coach.
I’d say the odds are 70-30 H7e gets the HC position first.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Cable was the perfect coach for our situation at the time. He didn’t allow the usual distractions to distract him from his one and only job, be a HC. Al felt he wasn’t the coach have them turn the corner and he was right, but the raiders were never ready to turn the corner. But i understands Al’s impatience with Death in his rear view mirror.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:35 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:26 am
792.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:23 am
I think there’s a very good chance Hue resurfaces as a head coach in 2013.
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LMAO
Tom Cable will be a HC before Hue is
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Both were better than Dennis Allen, and that’s no laughing matter.
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And thats what I dont get. Most of us on this board are Raiders fans. Most of us want the same thing; for the Raiders to be better. Whether you love or hate Hue, whether you love or hate Cable, whether you love or hate Gruden, no matter how you feel about Al Davis, or any of the past regimes, DENNIS ALLEN is STILL a scrub coach. Why anyone wishes that a scrub coach continues to coach the team that they follow is just weird to me. Either they love punishment, or just simply may not be good evaluators of whether a HC is doing a good job.
Dennis Allen has to go. The Raiders are not going to win with this guy. He does not have what it takes, has proven such, and is not going to magically become an awesome coach next season, no matter who we fill the roster with.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:36 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/18/report-prominent-jets-source-says-theres-no-way-sanchez-starts/
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What a joke! And to think, there are still dpshts out there crying themselves to sleep every night over JR’s contract. Don’t recall him ever throwing FOUR boneheaded picks in a game before.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Chris in NY Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Seymour,
Hate to burst ur bubble. Hue was never demoted in Cincy. He was hired as assistant DBs and special teams coach and that’s still his title, though Marvin Lewis mad it clear he’s much more than that and made it sound like he’s practically an assistant head coach.
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I don’t know, going from HC to assistant to the DB coach sounds like a demotion to me. And being an assistant to the position coaches basically means you sit in the back of the meeting rooms and don’t say anything.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Dennis allen and caron palmer forever married til death do they part?
carson palmer entered this season on a try out basis. many of the fan base and local media failed to accept the fact that the raiders were in a rebuild, and this meant that every player was on notice.
Allen thought he had a solid qb in carson, and apparently 10 losses and 19 turnovers later he still feels that way. Solomon wilcots reported during the game that allen said “carson is the qb of the future”. Wilcots also let it out of the bag that allen has been watching the news in sf kappy vs smith and wants no controversy here. This reveals alot about what allen thinks of pryor.
pryor could play well and be the cause of controversy which allen wants to avoid because he prefers carson. Allen doesnt even let pryor have first team reps this protects him and carson from any competition that pryor may bring to the table. Allen clearly sees enough talent in pryor that he views him a threat to his preferred player palmer. this is tom cable and bruce gradkowski all over again.
i suggested in the off season that this is what would happen as allen also witnessed the tebow orton drama first hand. i suggested that allen made pryor number 3 and kept him inactive so that no ones could say they wanted to see hi in the game.
Solomon wilcots has just confirmed this theory in my mind with his comments form sundays broadcast.
My questions are, has allen helped the team by burying someone that can provide competition for carson?
How can a coach preach competition and being the best you can be, while at the same time insulating his pet qb choice from competition?
How do other players view this?
why arent other player insulated or protected?
Allen has problem though, he has only manged 4 wins with carson, and carson has been a heel in a few games as well.
Allen has had difficulty relating to players, and coaxing effort from the team. he hasnt had any players stand out from a developmental stand point on his defense and this is why he was hired.
Now with carolina coming up sunday the qb again becomes the main focus.
Allen big mack and mackenzie will be front row and center for a face full of cam newton. newton represents the wave of the future, and carson is a fading shell of what he once was so many years ago in 05-06.
pryor has been singled out by big mack as guy he wants to see p[lay. he in essence will see a similar player ion sunday in newton, and he will also see and updated offense that is entertaining and potent driven by the unique talents of that qb.
On our side of the ledger a boring offense that can only muster yards between the 20’s with very few explosive plays or entertainment value.
making it worse for allen knapp and plamer, is this game will be seen on tv here locally and the entire fan base will be left wondering what could pryor do in an offense like cam’s?
then you have the sunday night game of (kappy vs wilson) seattle vs sf. again young mobile wave of the future qb’s, in cutting edged offenses?
allen knapp and carson need a huge game on sunday, or else it could mean curtains for all 3 in 2013.
One thing is for certain, if the raiders get smashed by cam and the wave of the future, allen and carsons love affair marriage could mean divorce from the raiders at seasons end.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:40 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Cable was the perfect coach for our situation at the time. He didn’t allow the usual distractions to distract him from his one and only job, be a HC.
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Nah, he just WAS a distraction. Tends to happen when you beat up women and your assistant coaches, inviting lawsuits along the way. My man Al had to garnish his paychecks and then gave him the projector treatment. Awesome stuff!
December 18th, 2012 at 10:42 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:36 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/18/report-prominent-jets-source-says-theres-no-way-sanchez-starts/
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What a joke! And to think, there are still dpshts out there crying themselves to sleep every night over JR’s contract. Don’t recall him ever throwing FOUR boneheaded picks in a game before.
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His lst year he did throw three. Which was about half the amount he completed to his own guys.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:42 am
804.RaiderDebo Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:40 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Cable was the perfect coach for our situation at the time. He didn’t allow the usual distractions to distract him from his one and only job, be a HC.
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Nah, he just WAS a distraction. Tends to happen when you beat up women and your assistant coaches, inviting lawsuits along the way. My man Al had to garnish his paychecks and then gave him the projector treatment. Awesome stuff!
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His Domestic Violence was old news. He going upside the head of an employee that many felt was a backstabber actually brought him closer with the Players.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Just remember the Chefs fielded an offense bereft of three of their starting linemen & a fourth incapacitated (but still played due to the dearth of linemen on the roster) but played anyway.
So, yes, the Raiders “D” fielded a shutout against an NFL team but, well, let’s be real. . .We’ll see how they perform on the road against a more dynamic offense on a bit of a roll. . .On the East Coast & just before Christmas nonetheless. . .
December 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Dumb coaching 101:
Take your starting QB out for one series, so that you can bring in your athletic, 4.3 running QB, to run the SAME PLAYS. No option, no bootleg, hell, not even wildcat. So, my question is, what was the point?
When the 9ers had packages for Kaepernik while Alex Smith was the starter, they called plays for Kaep that would keep the defense off balance, as well as take advantage of his speed. They didnt take Smith out for a series to have Kaep run the same exact plays.
DA and Knapp are brainless when it comes to keeping up with the NFL as it is TODAY.
NEXT!
December 18th, 2012 at 10:47 am
You are an ignorant homer.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Dennis allen and caron palmer forever married til death do they part?
carson palmer entered this season on a try out basis. many of the fan base and local media failed to accept the fact that the raiders were in a rebuild, and this meant that every player was on notice.
Allen thought he had a solid qb in carson, and apparently 10 losses and 19 turnovers later he still feels that way. Solomon wilcots reported during the game that allen said “carson is the qb of the future”. Wilcots also let it out of the bag that allen has been watching the news in sf kappy vs smith and wants no controversy here. This reveals alot about what allen thinks of pryor.
pryor could play well and be the cause of controversy which allen wants to avoid because he prefers carson. Allen doesnt even let pryor have first team reps this protects him and carson from any competition that pryor may bring to the table. Allen clearly sees enough talent in pryor that he views him a threat to his preferred player palmer. this is tom cable and bruce gradkowski all over again.
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No one wants a QB controversy other than you. Carson Palmer was taken number one overall, with a Heisman trophy under his arm. There was no debate that Palmer would go one overall. When Palmer opted to “retire” rather than work any more for Mike Brown, no one in the league thought that was the wrong decision. Now that Allen and the org has had a year to evaluate what they have in Palmer, they have said what everyone else has said watching this guy: “wow, that’s what a real Q looks like.” Other than you.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:47 am
eymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:42 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:36 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/18/report-prominent-jets-source-says-theres-no-way-sanchez-starts/
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What a joke! And to think, there are still dpshts out there crying themselves to sleep every night over JR’s contract. Don’t recall him ever throwing FOUR boneheaded picks in a game before.
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His lst year he did throw three. Which was about half the amount he completed to his own guys.
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Or November 2, 2009 against the Falcons, Russell was 6/19 for 31 yards a pick and a fumble. 24-0, yeah that was a great game. Thanks Debo for bringing back the horrid memories…
December 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Kida hard to argue with that one, JDB!
December 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Antispy3 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Just remember the Chefs fielded an offense bereft of three of their starting linemen & a fourth incapacitated (but still played due to the dearth of linemen on the roster) but played anyway.
So, yes, the Raiders “D” fielded a shutout against an NFL team but, well, let’s be real. . .We’ll see how they perform on the road against a more dynamic offense on a bit of a roll. . .On the East Coast & just before Christmas nonetheless. . .
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And those players STILL managed to get in FG range TWICE, only to have the KC staff, who was not really coaching to win, have them go for it on 4th down. Makes DA bragging about a shutout all the more pitiful. I want the coach of my team to be focusing on where we need to improve, and how we can take advantage of mismatches. I dont want a head coach who thinks he accomplished something by barely beating the leagues worst team, with a bunch of their starters missing, in a game where the staff wasnt trying to win anyway because they are trying to hold their draft position. DA needs to get the hell out of here. Smart Raiders fans arent buying it.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Yes, you.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Seymour,
We both know you were flat out saying Hue had been demoted by Cincy after he was hired there. Obviously going from HC to a position coach is a step down. And it was obvious that wasn’t what you were talking about. And Marvin Lewis made it clear a few weeks ago that Hue is much more than a position coach. By his comments it sounds like Hue is basically an assistant head coach there.
Anyway, I get that you wanted Hue out and you’re a Chubby Checker/Dennis Allen guy. Let’s just deal infacts and realit thoug rather than make stuff up to support our positions.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:50 am
John David Booty Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Dumb coaching 101:
Take your starting QB out for one series, so that you can bring in your athletic, 4.3 running QB, to run the SAME PLAYS. No option, no bootleg, hell, not even wildcat. So, my question is, what was the point?
When the 9ers had packages for Kaepernik while Alex Smith was the starter, they called plays for Kaep that would keep the defense off balance, as well as take advantage of his speed. They didnt take Smith out for a series to have Kaep run the same exact plays.
DA and Knapp are brainless when it comes to keeping up with the NFL as it is TODAY.
NEXT!
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Different circumstances. What still wins in the league today is someone who can stand in there and make all the throws. With the Whiners, they are going to move their offense to the pistol which incidentally is what Kap ran in Nevada. So he is much more adept at running it, and a better fit than Alex Smith.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Ummm….maybe because they were down 2 scores that they tried it on 4th down…the score would have been what? 15-6?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:52 am
John David Booty Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Dumb coaching 101:
Take your starting QB out for one series, so that you can bring in your athletic, 4.3 running QB, to run the SAME PLAYS. No option, no bootleg, hell, not even wildcat. So, my question is, what was the point?
When the 9ers had packages for Kaepernik while Alex Smith was the starter, they called plays for Kaep that would keep the defense off balance, as well as take advantage of his speed. They didnt take Smith out for a series to have Kaep run the same exact plays.
DA and Knapp are brainless when it comes to keeping up with the NFL as it is TODAY.
NEXT!
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I think that they wanted to see if he could handle the most basic of basics first. If you come in as a one trick pony, the NFL will figure that out really fast. You have to be able to run the base package as the core of your plays and mix in the QB runs when the defense is not prepared for them.
Have you noticed how rarely Kaep runs over in SF? He does a lot of what Smith did: hand the ball off to Gore and then throw it over the top when the defense stacks the box. He has the added dimension of being able to mix in runs, but mostly he runs the same offense as well as Smith did already and that’s with much less experience. Why? Because he’s a smart dude (had a 37 Wonderlic score!) and it’s a gimmicky system that let’s him find the best options.
Of course it helps an awful lot to have a great running game and a stiffling defense so that the QB doesn’t have to do too much. I imagine that Kaep on the Raiders would be looking at a 60ish QB rating and a very bruised body from trying to run too much.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Chris in NY Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Seymour,
We both know you were flat out saying Hue had been demoted by Cincy after he was hired there. Obviously going from HC to a position coach is a step down. And it was obvious that wasn’t what you were talking about. And Marvin Lewis made it clear a few weeks ago that Hue is much more than a position coach. By his comments it sounds like Hue is basically an assistant head coach there.
Anyway, I get that you wanted Hue out and you’re a Chubby Checker/Dennis Allen guy. Let’s just deal infacts and realit thoug rather than make stuff up to support our positions.
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Not really seeing a Cincy team dominating anyone. Not seeing Jackson with a head set calling plays on any level. And I am not a Jackson hater or a Reggie/Allen guy. I am a Raider. Jackson is not. Cable is not. Reggie and Allen are. So is Palmer. So is Pryor. Those are the guys that have my support.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Different circumstances. What still wins in the league today is someone who can stand in there and make all the throws. With the Whiners, they are going to move their offense to the pistol which incidentally is what Kap ran in Nevada. So he is much more adept at running it, and a better fit than Alex Smith.
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That’s what doesn’t make any sense, why would all these coaches like Hardbaugh and Carrol, etc…. change their offenses to fit the players they have? It doesn’t make any sense. Do they not realize that their wins don’t mean anything in the unforseeable future?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:54 am
It was nice last week seeing the run D step up again.
Tom Cable is the man and did a great job here in Oakland. He was all Raider but those days are over.
DA will have a great year next year if Gruden does not move in
December 18th, 2012 at 10:56 am
What a joke! And to think, there are still dpshts out there crying themselves to sleep every night over JR’s contract. Don’t recall him ever throwing FOUR boneheaded picks in a game before.
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So is Jamarucus a better QB than Josh Freeman (4 picks and a fumble). Has Freeman been cut from Wave of the Future QBs?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Putting Hue down doesn’t make Reggie’s regime any less of a disgrace.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Mistic, Solomon also said very clearly on more than 1 occasion during the broadcast that Carson IS still a very good QB, and is the right man for the job for the next couple of years while the team is rebuilt around him…
But of course it is really no surprise that you didn’t mention that, now is it.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Dennis allen and caron palmer forever married til death do they part?
carson palmer entered this season on a try out basis. many of the fan base and local media failed to accept the fact that the raiders were in a rebuild, and this meant that every player was on notice.
Allen thought he had a solid qb in carson, and apparently 10 losses and 19 turnovers later he still feels that way. Solomon wilcots reported during the game that allen said “carson is the qb of the future”. Wilcots also let it out of the bag that allen has been watching the news in sf kappy vs smith and wants no controversy here. This reveals alot about what allen thinks of pryor.
pryor could play well and be the cause of controversy which allen wants to avoid because he prefers carson. Allen doesnt even let pryor have first team reps this protects him and carson from any competition that pryor may bring to the table. Allen clearly sees enough talent in pryor that he views him a threat to his preferred player palmer. this is tom cable and bruce gradkowski all over again.
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No one wants a QB controversy other than you. Carson Palmer was taken number one overall, with a Heisman trophy under his arm. There was no debate that Palmer would go one overall. When Palmer opted to “retire” rather than work any more for Mike Brown, no one in the league thought that was the wrong decision. Now that Allen and the org has had a year to evaluate what they have in Palmer, they have said what everyone else has said watching this guy: “wow, that’s what a real Q looks like.” Other than you.
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bush,
Who cares about palmers draft status or college awards? That has nothing to do with 4-10 or 19 turnovers in 14 games? If draft status were the determining factor on gutys keepng jobs this late into their careers ryan leaf and jim drukenmiller would still have starting jobs.
Any body and everybody should want fair competition, even if it leads to controversy.
palmer quitting on cicny cant be excused, yet that also has nothing to do with today, or what i posted today about allen and palmer.
i havnt heard anyone say ‘wow’ as it pertains to palmer this year other than when discussing yardage totals.
Do you have any thing that refutes what i have written today?
Looks to me that you are just upset that i sniffed this out back in the pre season. just as i told you carson and the raiders would flop together before he signed o here.
Thanks for playing
December 18th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:50 am
John David Booty Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Dumb coaching 101:
Take your starting QB out for one series, so that you can bring in your athletic, 4.3 running QB, to run the SAME PLAYS. No option, no bootleg, hell, not even wildcat. So, my question is, what was the point?
When the 9ers had packages for Kaepernik while Alex Smith was the starter, they called plays for Kaep that would keep the defense off balance, as well as take advantage of his speed. They didnt take Smith out for a series to have Kaep run the same exact plays.
DA and Knapp are brainless when it comes to keeping up with the NFL as it is TODAY.
NEXT!
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Different circumstances. What still wins in the league today is someone who can stand in there and make all the throws. With the Whiners, they are going to move their offense to the pistol which incidentally is what Kap ran in Nevada. So he is much more adept at running it, and a better fit than Alex Smith.
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The QB situations and the offenses going forward are different. Thats not what I was referencing.
Im talking about when Smith was the starter. Now that Kaep is starting, yes, they have adapted their playbook to his talents, which is the smart thing to do. But still, not what I was talking about.
SF had their playbook in tact with Smith when he was the starter. When they brought Kaep in for certain packages, they DID NOT have him run the same plays Smith ran. When Smith was starting, Kaep was brought in for SPECIALLY designed plays.
So, again, my question is if Palmer is starting, why take him out for one series so that you can have Pryor run the same exact plays?
December 18th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Carson Palmer with Norv Turner as OC would be very nice.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Would you rather be really good at a mediocre system or bad in a good system?..
December 18th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Hue wanted to remain a Raiders and was fired unfairly for REGGIES SELFISH REASSONS.This was suppose to be Hues chance to prove his could getthe Raiders to the playoffs. Reggie did not want to see that happen!! Wanted his own guy, his own team, he wannted , he wanted, he wanted. While we only wanted a competitve season.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:07 am
828.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Would you rather be really good at a mediocre system or bad in a good system?..
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Both would be better than our current state, which is really bad in a really bad system.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Sanchez is awful, some QB’s in both college and pro’s are about as good as they get their first year or so, and film is generated and they never adapt.
Like the chess players who have their “patented” few moves, break the script and they are toast.
You HAVE TO cut him if you are the Jets. No reason whatsoever to keep him.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:47 am
No one wants a QB controversy other than you.
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For the record as much as you and a few other palmer worshpers want to paint this picture it is simply untrue.
Not only do other fans even fans that post here want to see pryor, but so do many others.
try romonowski lorenzo neal and reggie mckenzie for starters
December 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
So, again, my question is if Palmer is starting, why take him out for one series so that you can have Pryor run the same exact plays?
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Sorry I thought I answered that. Because what is going to win going forward in the league is a Q that can make all the throws in the pocket. That seems to be something that is not going to change any time soon, in fact it is getting tougher and tougher to defend. So, they had a package of plays for Pryor to run, which was basically the Raider/Knapp offense, to see if he can stand in the pocket and make those throws. And if he completed a few, he would have been in there til the drive stalled. But they were not going to institute an entirely new offense if Pryor can’t even make some basic throws.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
does anyone else notice that the defense played much more press man? amazing what happens when they do….
December 18th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Didn’t the CBS crew say they spoke with The Reggie at halftime?
Man, that is crazy. Is that the norm these days, talk to the GM mid-game.
Seems CBS had pretty good access to our inne workings, and the message to be relayed was that Carson is the QB of the future (not sure how I feel about that) and that the Al Davis athlete type draft picks and players still on the roster better be renting.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:10 am
832.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:47 am
No one wants a QB controversy other than you.
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For the record as much as you and a few other palmer worshpers want to paint this picture it is simply untrue.
Not only do other fans even fans that post here want to see pryor, but so do many others.
try romonowski lorenzo neal and reggie mckenzie for starters
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While i agree i want to see pryor in a wasted season, that doesn’t mean anyone wants pryor over Palmer.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:11 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:07 am
828.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Would you rather be really good at a mediocre system or bad in a good system?..
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Both would be better than our current state, which is really bad in a really bad system.
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System isnt the problem.
But sure, lets change to another system next year. I can hear the pre-game quotes now.. “learning the system”.. blah blah blah.
Thats the problem, there has been so much turnover that every other year the players are learning a new system.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:11 am
lol…”really bad in a really bad system”….post of the morning/lunch time?
December 18th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Didn’t the CBS crew say they spoke with The Reggie at halftime?
Man, that is crazy. Is that the norm these days, talk to the GM mid-game.
Seems CBS had pretty good access to our inne workings, and the message to be relayed was that Carson is the QB of the future (not sure how I feel about that) and that the Al Davis athlete type draft picks and players still on the roster better be renting.
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Football players > Athletes.
Period.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:13 am
reggie mckenzie < hugh culverhouse…
December 18th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Hue earned this season as HC more than Reggie and DA deserved to have it handed to them. Since many of us will think of it in this term maybe next year will be easier for us to forget it if the Raiders have a competitive season.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
@.DennisAllensVisor
Do you like Knapp as a play-caller? Or do you think there might be better OCs out there?
December 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
837.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:11 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:07 am
828.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Would you rather be really good at a mediocre system or bad in a good system?..
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Both would be better than our current state, which is really bad in a really bad system.
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System isnt the problem.
But sure, lets change to another system next year. I can hear the pre-game quotes now.. “learning the system”.. blah blah blah.
Thats the problem, there has been so much turnover that every other year the players are learning a new system.
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The System is not the problem? After a full offseason of OTA’s, Full traning camp, full preseason and 14 weeks of football. This offense cannot even get into the redzone more than twice vs the worst team in the league. Especially when it’s been proven that not only does KNapps offense not work off the bat, but it gets worse in the next two years.
Do you really believe you’re own BS, or are you just homering on? I hope it’s just the homerism in you.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Seymour,
You don’t see the Bengals dominating anyone?I guess you missed that RaidersBengals game from a few weeks ago. LOL.-
December 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
2romes Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Hue earned this season as HC more than Reggie and DA deserved to have it handed to them. Since many of us will think of it in this term maybe next year will be easier for us to forget it if the Raiders have a competitive season.
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17th & 35th overall pick for Carson Palmer.
#NeverForget
December 18th, 2012 at 11:15 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
837.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:11 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:07 am
828.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Would you rather be really good at a mediocre system or bad in a good system?..
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Both would be better than our current state, which is really bad in a really bad system.
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System isnt the problem.
But sure, lets change to another system next year. I can hear the pre-game quotes now.. “learning the system”.. blah blah blah.
Thats the problem, there has been so much turnover that every other year the players are learning a new system.
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The System is not the problem? After a full offseason of OTA’s, Full traning camp, full preseason and 14 weeks of football. This offense cannot even get into the redzone more than twice vs the worst team in the league. Especially when it’s been proven that not only does KNapps offense not work off the bat, but it gets worse in the next two years.
Do you really believe you’re own BS, or are you just homering on? I hope it’s just the homerism in you.
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Players make a system.
Dont be an idiot.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:16 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:56 am
What a joke! And to think, there are still dpshts out there crying themselves to sleep every night over JR’s contract. Don’t recall him ever throwing FOUR boneheaded picks in a game before.
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So is Jamarucus a better QB than Josh Freeman (4 picks and a fumble). Has Freeman been cut from Wave of the Future QBs?
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JR was 10x the prospect Freeman was coming out of college, and rightly so. He was 10x the player. Bet he would have loved it if Al had gone out and gotten a Vincent Jackson instead of an injured Javon Walker. Hell, he even made him look good in the win over the Jets. And speaking of, let’s not pretend last night was a 1st for Sanchez. He’s had plenty of four and even five-pick games in his career. Al shouldn’t have succumbed to the idiots in our fan base and the media!
December 18th, 2012 at 11:16 am
DAV is just mctrolling….
December 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am
you’re = you are
your = possessive
FYI.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Good coaches adjust to their players
December 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
848.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:16 am
DAV is just mctrolling….
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I hope so
December 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Chris In NY Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Seymour,
You don’t see the Bengals dominating anyone?I guess you missed that RaidersBengals game from a few weeks ago. LOL.-
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And they’re doing it with a scrub under center. Hue and the rest of the assistants are doing a bang-up job!!
December 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:16 am
DAV is just mctrolling….
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Trolling the homers.
LOL.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Reggies/ DA supporter stated HC don’t make picks. so which is it?
December 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
bush,
Who cares about palmers draft status or college awards? That has nothing to do with 4-10 or 19 turnovers in 14 games? If draft status were the determining factor on gutys keepng jobs this late into their careers ryan leaf and jim drukenmiller would still have starting jobs.
Any body and everybody should want fair competition, even if it leads to controversy.
palmer quitting on cicny cant be excused, yet that also has nothing to do with today, or what i posted today about allen and palmer.
i havnt heard anyone say ‘wow’ as it pertains to palmer this year other than when discussing yardage totals.
Do you have any thing that refutes what i have written today?
Looks to me that you are just upset that i sniffed this out back in the pre season. just as i told you carson and the raiders would flop together before he signed o here.
Thanks for playing
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The reason I bring this up is Palmer and the criticisms of Palmer have been pretty consistent his whole life. Anyone who walks in and says, “Palmer sucks sh** or can’t hit the broad side of a barn” would be deemed a nut case.
Have I said I would like to see Pryor? Absolutely. Have I said, you can’t have enough good players? Absolutely. Do I want Terrel Pryor to be successful? Absolutely. Do I want a QB controversy? Absolutely not. NO ONE benefits from that. The players don’t the team doesn’t, the value of the players doesn’t. Harbaugh has done a solid job of quickly installing Kaepernick, and so far, it has worked well for him. Except that the value of Alex Smith continues to drop.
When Allen says Palmer is the Q going forward, that says “wow factor” to me. And you calling a failure of the Raiders with a rookie head coach, rookie DC, rookie GM in the preseason after they have been awful for 10 years does not deserve an award. Sorry. But thanks for playing.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:19 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Good coaches adjust to their players
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Good coaches teach their players how to play in a system.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Chris in NY Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Seymour,
You don’t see the Bengals dominating anyone?I guess you missed that RaidersBengals game from a few weeks ago. LOL.-
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You got me there. Good one.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:20 am
That’s funny, “Reggie/DA supporters”…
They are in charge of the Raiders. So who do you support?.. LOL.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Let’s just give these guys 3 more miserable years until we’re sure they’re failures. Forget the track record of failure with our only proven coordinator
December 18th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Sanchez is awful, some QB’s in both college and pro’s are about as good as they get their first year or so, and film is generated and they never adapt.
Like the chess players who have their “patented” few moves, break the script and they are toast.
You HAVE TO cut him if you are the Jets. No reason whatsoever to keep him.
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How about the $8.5 million he’s GUARANTEED! I’d think you of all people would be up in arms over that.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:22 am
The Raiders!!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Greg Jennings doesn’t expect to return to Packers in 2013
Coming into the season, Packers wide receiver Greg Jennings knew that this could be his last year with the team. Nothing in the last three months has shaken him of that notion and has left him…
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JB6427 @JB6427
@ProFootballTalk The Raiders need both a #1 & #2 WR. Jennings would be a good fit.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:22 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Let’s just give these guys 3 more miserable years until we’re sure they’re failures. Forget the track record of failure with our only proven coordinator
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And in 3 years, if successful, im sure you will be nowhere to be found right.
Or maybe have a different name?..
Or you will start to change your tune when they start winning…
Just a question.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am
DAV didnt you change your name mctroll?
December 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
So, again, my question is if Palmer is starting, why take him out for one series so that you can have Pryor run the same exact plays?
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Sorry I thought I answered that. Because what is going to win going forward in the league is a Q that can make all the throws in the pocket. That seems to be something that is not going to change any time soon, in fact it is getting tougher and tougher to defend. So, they had a package of plays for Pryor to run, which was basically the Raider/Knapp offense, to see if he can stand in the pocket and make those throws. And if he completed a few, he would have been in there til the drive stalled. But they were not going to institute an entirely new offense if Pryor can’t even make some basic throws.
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And this is a good idea, why? This isnt pre-season. They had time then to see if Pryor could run the basic Knapp packages back then. And he actually didnt do so bad when he was called on.
In the regular season, you dont take out your starter for another QB, just to “see what he could do”. You send him in there with plays that he can be effective with, otherwise, theres no difference in putting in Pryor or Leinart.
I understand what youre saying, but it still makes no sense to me for a coach to do in the NFL.
The truth is, these guys have no imagination or creativity.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Coaches get the most out of their players bad coaches don’t.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Here’s some Gruden “Weekly World News” stuff for you guys today:
Listening to ‘The Score’ earlier they talked about MNF and the Jets and then started on Gruden and they were saying that he seems much more critical than he ever has about particular players and teams, leading to the speculation he doesn’t care as much about his gig anymore and being careful what he says.
They speculated he’s more brazen now cuz he knows he’s done with MNF after this season. Dan McNeil (one of the hosts) said; “well Hub says he’s goin’ to Oakland so maybe that’s it”. Hub has never said Gruden is coming to Oakland definitively but has said he “thinks” that’s where he will end up due to Mark offering him more control than any other team will be willing to, as well as Grudens obvious popularity in Oakland.
And the big kicker for the necktie conspiracists; Gruden was wearing a ‘Raider colors’ tie last night.
Not much, but it’s all i got.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:26 am
I don’t care if DA/Reggies stays or go. If they stay give us a good team. If not go just like the rest of the coaches deemed to the unworthy.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am
DAV didnt you change your name mctroll?
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Ive never been a troll. Never will.
Didnt change my name either. DeuceDeuce was locked out.
My file is legit son.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Do I want a QB controversy? Absolutely not. NO ONE benefits from that. The players don’t the team doesn’t, the value of the players doesn’t.
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more blind hero worship devoid of historical context or fact
Did the niners benefit from the kappy smith controversy?
did the seahawks benefit from the wilson vs flynn flap?
did the packers benefit from rodgers vs farve?
di the broncos benefit form tebow vs orton?
the dolphins tannyhill vs garrard?
looks to me the fair competition is the only way to help the team
December 18th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Raider (since 1967)★
SO who’s problem is it now the Jeckyll and Hyde Defense– One week is there and the other is not. Starting Tarver ?
Or the ROMNISIA , Ooops ! / KNAPPNESIA – Offense ?
Not enough to Win the election, ooops Game!
Will see who win the Trip to Reggiie’s Office before Christmas !
Stay tune will soon Know . Don’t Miss. It !
December 18th, 2012 at 11:28 am
if you say so…
December 18th, 2012 at 11:29 am
863.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:22 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Let’s just give these guys 3 more miserable years until we’re sure they’re failures. Forget the track record of failure with our only proven coordinator
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And in 3 years, if successful, im sure you will be nowhere to be found right.
Or maybe have a different name?..
Or you will start to change your tune when they start winning…
Just a question.
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Sure i’ll be here singing a different tune, unlike you i’m not a stubborn mule.
And if they fail? Will you be here in 3 years with the name Pete Carrol’s turtle neck or something like that?
December 18th, 2012 at 11:30 am
856.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:19 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Good coaches adjust to their players
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Good coaches teach their players how to play in a system.
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So far, these coaches have done neither
December 18th, 2012 at 11:31 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:29 am
863.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:22 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Let’s just give these guys 3 more miserable years until we’re sure they’re failures. Forget the track record of failure with our only proven coordinator
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And in 3 years, if successful, im sure you will be nowhere to be found right.
Or maybe have a different name?..
Or you will start to change your tune when they start winning…
Just a question.
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Sure i’ll be here singing a different tune, unlike you i’m not a stubborn mule.
And if they fail? Will you be here in 3 years with the name Pete Carrol’s turtle neck or something like that?
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Why?
Stubborn? More like realistic.
Ive never said they WILL be successful.
Ive said that they need 3 years to see what we have. PERIOD.
Get it right.
So the lesson of the day is firing year after year is the WRONG way to do it. See the last 10 years.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:31 am
DA’s Visor,
Never forget what? Last I checked the guy Cincy drafted has likee 4 tackles and 0 INTs or anything else. Also, look up the top 35 of any draft. At least half the guys taken are scrubs and most of the rest are just OK. Would you have preferred it if we limped to a 4-12 finish last season with Boller and then brought Cap’n Checkdown back on a multiyear deal? No thanks.
Don’t be so dramatic dude. It was a good trade. Get over it. If the D steps up at all last year we woul’ve made the playoffs, Hue would still be here and we’d be in good shape right now. Didn’t happen. Does’t mean we should go into 9/11 “Never Forget” mode over it or something.-
December 18th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:47 am
No one wants a QB controversy other than you.
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For the record as much as you and a few other palmer worshpers want to paint this picture it is simply untrue.
Not only do other fans even fans that post here want to see pryor, but so do many others.
try romonowski lorenzo neal and reggie mckenzie for starters
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Stop your bs. Except for Reggie, the rest are nobodies, just like you are.
The team (that includes Reggie) told Pryor in advance he had a series. The team sees Pryor every day in practice. No one, including Pryor, has ever stated Pryor is kicking butt. NO ONE. NOT EVEN PRYOR.
Facts are team wants to see if they even want him on the team, not if he’s going to leapfrog past the two qb’s in front of him.
Sometimes you come across as dense as a rock, and need basic football explained.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:32 am
John David Booty Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
So, again, my question is if Palmer is starting, why take him out for one series so that you can have Pryor run the same exact plays?
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Sorry I thought I answered that. Because what is going to win going forward in the league is a Q that can make all the throws in the pocket. That seems to be something that is not going to change any time soon, in fact it is getting tougher and tougher to defend. So, they had a package of plays for Pryor to run, which was basically the Raider/Knapp offense, to see if he can stand in the pocket and make those throws. And if he completed a few, he would have been in there til the drive stalled. But they were not going to institute an entirely new offense if Pryor can’t even make some basic throws.
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And this is a good idea, why? This isnt pre-season. They had time then to see if Pryor could run the basic Knapp packages back then. And he actually didnt do so bad when he was called on.
In the regular season, you dont take out your starter for another QB, just to “see what he could do”. You send him in there with plays that he can be effective with, otherwise, theres no difference in putting in Pryor or Leinart.
I understand what youre saying, but it still makes no sense to me for a coach to do in the NFL.
The truth is, these guys have no imagination or creativity.
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the truth seems to be far more sinister
They truly did not want pryor to show what he could do. this is why he has not seen first team reps or increased reps in practice. this is why he only was given a 5 play package and only allowed 1 pass attempt.
his is why he was given 1 3and out.
allen wants palmer and doesnt want any form of competition
December 18th, 2012 at 11:33 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:30 am
856.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:19 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Good coaches adjust to their players
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Good coaches teach their players how to play in a system.
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So far, these coaches have done neither
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In the parameters of your timeframe, I guess so.
Thankfully your opinion, like everyone else’s, doesnt matter in terms of decisions being made.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:33 am
You don’t keep losers for the sake of continuity.
Knapp is a Proven Loser, and it’s more than fair to quetion the person who hires him.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:34 am
RaiderLen Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:47 am
No one wants a QB controversy other than you.
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For the record as much as you and a few other palmer worshpers want to paint this picture it is simply untrue.
Not only do other fans even fans that post here want to see pryor, but so do many others.
try romonowski lorenzo neal and reggie mckenzie for starters
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Stop your bs. Except for Reggie, the rest are nobodies, just like you are.
The team (that includes Reggie) told Pryor in advance he had a series. The team sees Pryor every day in practice. No one, including Pryor, has ever stated Pryor is kicking butt. NO ONE. NOT EVEN PRYOR.
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len pryor does not get reps with the first team in practice and mainly runs scout team
They have not seen him in practice running the raider offense very often
he was burried before the pre season started
wilcots exposed allens agenda, and it is exactly the way i suspected it.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:34 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:30 am
856.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:19 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Good coaches adjust to their players
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Good coaches teach their players how to play in a system.
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So far, these coaches have done neither
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According to my calculations, except for Gruden, followed by Callahan running with Gru’s team the following yr, each and every HC of the Raiders for the last 30 yrs has failed to instill a system.
Of course, some guy named Al always seem to sabotage the coaches, so that might have something to do with it.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Chris in NY Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:31 am
DA’s Visor,
Never forget what? Last I checked the guy Cincy drafted has likee 4 tackles and 0 INTs or anything else. Also, look up the top 35 of any draft. At least half the guys taken are scrubs and most of the rest are just OK. Would you have preferred it if we limped to a 4-12 finish last season with Boller and then brought Cap’n Checkdown back on a multiyear deal? No thanks.
Don’t be so dramatic dude. It was a good trade. Get over it. If the D steps up at all last year we woul’ve made the playoffs, Hue would still be here and we’d be in good shape right now. Didn’t happen. Does’t mean we should go into 9/11 “Never Forget” mode over it or something.-
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LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
If you think that was a good trade!!!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 11:38 am
LOL..
He really thinks that was a good trade.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:38 am
SO..IS JANO TEAM MVP FOR 2012 ??
December 18th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Not firing coaches after coaches should have started last years if there is validity to your position.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:39 am
I think Gruden Returning talk is about the only life preserver most Raiders fans are clinging to now. I think there’s more to it than the beat schlubs are willing to admit. Gruden is putting the smoke signals out there. Not retracting anything. Could even be working his contacts to get stuff leaked. I think he clearly wants back in.
The qbiggest question to me is this: Does Mark Jackson have what it takes to make a bold move like that? I honestly don’t know the answer. Guess we’ll find out!
December 18th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Mark Jackson?
Is Gruden going to the Warriors?!?!
December 18th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:34 am
RaiderLen Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:47 am
No one wants a QB controversy other than you.
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For the record as much as you and a few other palmer worshpers want to paint this picture it is simply untrue.
Not only do other fans even fans that post here want to see pryor, but so do many others.
try romonowski lorenzo neal and reggie mckenzie for starters
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Stop your bs. Except for Reggie, the rest are nobodies, just like you are.
The team (that includes Reggie) told Pryor in advance he had a series. The team sees Pryor every day in practice. No one, including Pryor, has ever stated Pryor is kicking butt. NO ONE. NOT EVEN PRYOR.
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len pryor does not get reps with the first team in practice and mainly runs scout team
They have not seen him in practice running the raider offense very often
he was burried before the pre season started
wilcots exposed allens agenda, and it is exactly the way i suspected it.
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Have you ever been to a practice? An actual practice, not a fan day thing?
All the players get reps. Every single player gets out there and man’s his position. Gets evaluated. Gets reviewed. Throwing a ball is throwing a ball. If you are sharp, and on target, it doesn’t matter who the target is. yes, of course the one’s run crisper routes, but it’s not like the starter is out there, under center, all day long. backup gets in, as does his backup.
Reg knows his rep/job/future is on the line.
Same with DA.
Do you really believe they wouldn’t put in Pryor if they thought he could make them look good? Of course they would.
Just like Kap got snaps across the bay. No one said “Oh, he doesn’t practice with the one’s, so he can’t go in”.
Either you look good, or you don’t.
Kap looked good. Pryor doesn’t. That should be obvious to all.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:42 am
885 – He’s Knapps offensive player of the year. Without his 50 yard FG’s, we don’t score.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:45 am
OMG!!!
He REALLY thinks it was a good trade!!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 11:46 am
would you trade our top 5 pick for larry fitzgerald
December 18th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:32 am
John David Booty Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
So, again, my question is if Palmer is starting, why take him out for one series so that you can have Pryor run the same exact plays?
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Sorry I thought I answered that. Because what is going to win going forward in the league is a Q that can make all the throws in the pocket. That seems to be something that is not going to change any time soon, in fact it is getting tougher and tougher to defend. So, they had a package of plays for Pryor to run, which was basically the Raider/Knapp offense, to see if he can stand in the pocket and make those throws. And if he completed a few, he would have been in there til the drive stalled. But they were not going to institute an entirely new offense if Pryor can’t even make some basic throws.
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And this is a good idea, why? This isnt pre-season. They had time then to see if Pryor could run the basic Knapp packages back then. And he actually didnt do so bad when he was called on.
In the regular season, you dont take out your starter for another QB, just to “see what he could do”. You send him in there with plays that he can be effective with, otherwise, theres no difference in putting in Pryor or Leinart.
I understand what youre saying, but it still makes no sense to me for a coach to do in the NFL.
The truth is, these guys have no imagination or creativity.
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the truth seems to be far more sinister
They truly did not want pryor to show what he could do. this is why he has not seen first team reps or increased reps in practice. this is why he only was given a 5 play package and only allowed 1 pass attempt.
his is why he was given 1 3and out.
allen wants palmer and doesnt want any form of competition
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Lame. Now you are saying DA has a personal vendetta against Pryor? An actual desire to see him fail?
Every coach wants their qb pushed. To know they have to be on, all the time, or someone will do what they can’t do.
It’s not that Allen doesn’t want any form of competition. It’s that palmer has no form of competition on the team.
You act like DA picked and signed Palmer personally, and has a vested interest. He doesn’t. Which is why your comment makes zero sense.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Even local writter monte poole has written that allen has put his own selfish agenda of win now ahead of playing pryor for the sake of devlopment or evaluation.
take a look
“The plan,” Allen said of Pryor’s actual NFL debut, “was to get him in the first series of the second quarter and then kind of let the game play out from there.”
Pryor’s future might be one of Allen’s thoughts, but it’s one of McKenzie’s priorities. He said during a recent interview that Pryor has to play, if only to be fairly evaluated.
Therein lies the difference between Allen’s primary goal and that of McKenzie. One is paid to win now, the other to win indefinitely. One focuses on the close-up, the other has to back away and take a broader view.- monte poole oakland tribune
December 18th, 2012 at 11:49 am
nycraider Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:46 am
would you trade our top 5 pick for larry fitzgerald
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Not a chance. Unless its part of a bigger trade.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Do I want a QB controversy? Absolutely not. NO ONE benefits from that. The players don’t the team doesn’t, the value of the players doesn’t.
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more blind hero worship devoid of historical context or fact
Did the niners benefit from the kappy smith controversy?
did the seahawks benefit from the wilson vs flynn flap?
did the packers benefit from rodgers vs farve?
di the broncos benefit form tebow vs orton?
the dolphins tannyhill vs garrard?
looks to me the fair competition is the only way to help the team
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Huh? The only one of these that actually was a controversy was Teblows and Orton. And just like I said the team suffered until they shipped out Orton for nothing to the Cheats because they had to. Not one other of these were a controversy. Smith and Kap could, if Kap falters or loses in the playoffs.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Len,
maybe you think pryor is a liar, he said he did not receive any extra reps in practice.
It is known fact that during nfl practice the starting qb takes the lion shar of the reps, and 2nd string sees very very few. rd string is usually designated to run scout team.
maybe you think things are different in alameda but i doubt it.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Do I want a QB controversy? Absolutely not. NO ONE benefits from that. The players don’t the team doesn’t, the value of the players doesn’t.
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more blind hero worship devoid of historical context or fact
Did the niners benefit from the kappy smith controversy?
did the seahawks benefit from the wilson vs flynn flap?
did the packers benefit from rodgers vs farve?
di the broncos benefit form tebow vs orton?
the dolphins tannyhill vs garrard?
looks to me the fair competition is the only way to help the team
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Huh? The only one of these that actually was a controversy was Teblows and Orton. And just like I said the team suffered until they shipped out Orton for nothing to the Cheats because they had to. Not one other of these were a controversy. Smith and Kap could, if Kap falters or loses in the playoffs.
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since you dont keep up with russel wilson i wouldnt expect you to know but there was a major controversy because flynn was supposed to be the starter. that is why he was paid a big contract.
Carrol came under fire for picking russel wilson as the starter, it was a controversy. the fans were split as was the media critical. wilson has silenced this with his stellar play.
Kappy vs smith was also a a contraversy, with a segment saying smith was a proven starter and kappy was a project.
Early returns have validate harbaughs choice.
If you want to change the definition of the word controversy to defend your take we cant have a real discussion on the issue.
competition breeds controversy at the qb position always have ask pastorini and plunkett
December 18th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Hate to keep bringing up Kap across the bay, but look how he was brought in.
Did he come in and get a quarter? No.
Start a game? No.
Get a series or two? No.
Went in and threw a pass, then came out of game.
Couple games later went in and ran the ball, then out of game.
Then got 3 plays, or so, then out of game.
Why is everyone so surprised that Pryor got 4 snaps, and then came out?
It’s acclimating your qb to the tempo and speed of the game.
It’s what smart coaches do. (Rogers was dealt with the same way. Just given spots here and there, and then out)
December 18th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:32 am
John David Booty Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
So, again, my question is if Palmer is starting, why take him out for one series so that you can have Pryor run the same exact plays?
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Sorry I thought I answered that. Because what is going to win going forward in the league is a Q that can make all the throws in the pocket. That seems to be something that is not going to change any time soon, in fact it is getting tougher and tougher to defend. So, they had a package of plays for Pryor to run, which was basically the Raider/Knapp offense, to see if he can stand in the pocket and make those throws. And if he completed a few, he would have been in there til the drive stalled. But they were not going to institute an entirely new offense if Pryor can’t even make some basic throws.
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And this is a good idea, why? This isnt pre-season. They had time then to see if Pryor could run the basic Knapp packages back then. And he actually didnt do so bad when he was called on.
In the regular season, you dont take out your starter for another QB, just to “see what he could do”. You send him in there with plays that he can be effective with, otherwise, theres no difference in putting in Pryor or Leinart.
I understand what youre saying, but it still makes no sense to me for a coach to do in the NFL.
The truth is, these guys have no imagination or creativity.
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the truth seems to be far more sinister
They truly did not want pryor to show what he could do. this is why he has not seen first team reps or increased reps in practice. this is why he only was given a 5 play package and only allowed 1 pass attempt.
his is why he was given 1 3and out.
allen wants palmer and doesnt want any form of competition
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Interesting theory.
Is TP capable of beating out CP in a one on one QB comp? That I dont know if I’ll agree with, but hey, you never know.
Is DA dumb enough to view the CP/TP situation as the same as the Orton/Tebow situation, despite the situations not being similar? Yes, I can believe that. And with that, and knowing how easy it is for DA to throw his players under the bus to protect himself, I could imagine him purposely putting Pryor in a position to fail, as opposed to calling plays that he could be successful with. Very interesting theory there.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Pryor isnt Kap or Wilson
December 18th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
poprox13 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Pryor isnt Kap or Wilson
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He’s faster!
LOL jk..
I think the main issue is fans want to see for themselves that he can/cant play before writing him off.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
As Al’s last pick, i’d like to see Pryor be a star.
So he isnt remembered as a poster for what went wrong.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
since you dont keep up with russel wilson i wouldnt expect you to know but there was a major controversy because flynn was supposed to be the starter. that is why he was paid a big contract.
Carrol came under fire for picking russel wilson as the starter, it was a controversy. the fans were split as was the media critical. wilson has silenced this with his stellar play.
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Wilson clearly out played Flynn in the preseason. If there was a controversy it would have been from the front office between the people who paid the guys. The fans just want to win. They weren’t booing Russell Wilson. Denver fans WERE booing Orton. They were booing Orton off the field!
Whiner fan has NEVER been enamoured with Alex Smith. In fact they hated the guy. That was the genius of Jim Harbaugh his lst year coaching. He protected Smith from Whiner fans until he could calm the situation. He would let Smith play 20 to 20 and then take the rock out of his hands, kick FG’s and let his defense win the game for him. After 13-3, Whiner fan calmed down. But they immediately embraced Kaepernick and until that goes down in flames, there is no controversy.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
I think the main issue is fans want to see for themselves that he can/cant play before writing him off.
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Bottom line. It’s really as simple as that.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
No controversy exists if the head coach states someone is the starter.
It’s when it’s up in the air between two qualified qb’s, where the HC isn’t sure is when you have a controversy.
Fans always are quick to see their personal favorite replace a starter that falters. Doesn’t mean there is a controversy, except in that fans mind.
Anyone notice how across the wires Pryor is getting almost zero play? No one is shocked or surprised that a backup got a series. At all.
Only a few Raider fans who are anti-Palmer.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
the truth seems to be far more sinister
They truly did not want pryor to show what he could do. this is why he has not seen first team reps or increased reps in practice. this is why he only was given a 5 play package and only allowed 1 pass attempt.
his is why he was given 1 3and out.
allen wants palmer and doesnt want any form of competition
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Honestly mistic this is a little beyond the scope of believability. No coach in America, except maybe the pee wee coach who’s sucky ass son is Q, is going to not have the better players play. Especially at the college and pro levels. There is NO WAY that some coach is going to sabotage his team for some personal agenda. Players that risk paralysis or some other SERIOUS injury would be in full revolt!
So, what you are saying is when Pryor went out there the team quit on Pryor so Allen could look good? The team jumped offsides, Dmac ran for nothing, and then DHB made no effort on a perfectly thrown pass, just so Dennis Allen somehow looks good? The only way this makes any sense would be if Carson Palmer is Dennis Allens son.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Will Cam Newton’s performance impact allen & palmers future?
will cam newton put allen on blast by tearing up the raider defense?
Newton will bring attention to pryor because of their shared uniqe ability.
Dont look now but newton is destroying the nfl over the last half of the season.
After a slow start, newton has been on fire over the last 7 games. over that span newton has a record of 4-3 featuring wins over Atlanta and Washington both division leaders. newton has produced an eye popping 17 tds against only 2 turnovers.
Newton will represent a road map to the new football paradigm.
allens failure to use pryor will come into sharp focus if palmer continues his malaise and we get blown out the building.
Allen and palmer need a huge game to keep their oh so precarious footing for next year.
if newton dominates the raiders everyone including davis big mack and the fans that watch on tv will be left wondering what can pryor do in a new offense?
That is question that could send allen and palmer packing
December 18th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
901. True that.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
2romes Says:
2011 total offense Raiders ranked 9 and rushing offense ranked 7. Fact!
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The most important fact about 2011’s offnse: 16th in scoring. Th red zone woes are just a continuation of last season’s failures.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Cam will dominate the Raiders.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
No controversy exists if the head coach states someone is the starter.
It’s when it’s up in the air between two qualified qb’s, where the HC isn’t sure is when you have a controversy.
Fans always are quick to see their personal favorite replace a starter that falters. Doesn’t mean there is a controversy, except in that fans mind.
Anyone notice how across the wires Pryor is getting almost zero play? No one is shocked or surprised that a backup got a series. At all.
Only a few Raider fans who are anti-Palmer.
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you dont have to beleive solomon wilcots, but i think he told the truth.
Allen wants no part of the controversy that sf had with kappy vs smith.
dont like it? take it up with wilcots im only repeating what he said allen told him.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Yards dont win games.
Points do.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
the truth seems to be far more sinister
They truly did not want pryor to show what he could do. this is why he has not seen first team reps or increased reps in practice. this is why he only was given a 5 play package and only allowed 1 pass attempt.
his is why he was given 1 3and out.
allen wants palmer and doesnt want any form of competition
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Honestly mistic this is a little beyond the scope of believability. No coach in America, except maybe the pee wee coach who’s sucky ass son is Q, is going to not have the better players play. Especially at the college and pro levels.
So, what you are saying is when Pryor went out there the team quit on Pryor so Allen could look good?
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i didnt say the team backed allen up in any way, they clearly are not buying what he is selling in any area.
maybe you missed the whole grad vs jc thing that took place here.
YES COACHES DO PLAY FAVORITES
bush this isnt only my theory, it was confirmed by solomn wilcots
i think it is hilarious that i predict or sniff out things months before they happen and you and others protest and claim that i dont know what im talking about.
Then when the events play out and the news comes out it confirms my take and you and others still want to deny it.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
Yards dont win games.
Points do.
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Yep. I get the feeling a lot of these posters are angry Dmac fantasy owners. Yards do matter to them.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
YES COACHES DO PLAY FAVORITES
bush this isnt only my theory, it was confirmed by solomn wilcots
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I did not see the broadcast so I can’t comment on what Wilcots said, I agree coaches play their favorites, however their favorites are usually the ones that make them look good. At least that is what I have found.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
i think it is hilarious that i predict or sniff out things months before they happen and you and others protest and claim that i dont know what im talking about.
Then when the events play out and the news comes out it confirms my take and you and others still want to deny it.
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You have some cred with Russell Wilson. You certainly saw that. There have also been a lot of times you have been not quite right. To say that Palmer was not going to win here, and was going to throw int’s is not earth shattering news in my opinion.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
YES COACHES DO PLAY FAVORITES
bush this isnt only my theory, it was confirmed by solomn wilcots
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I did not see the broadcast so I can’t comment on what Wilcots said, I agree coaches play their favorites, however their favorites are usually the ones that make them look good. At least that is what I have found.
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It was obvious you didnt actually see, you obviously dont see much at all. this why you defend a qb that is 4-10 with 19 turnovers.
Why would you comment on my post with out having proper knowledge? you are simply giving an emotional response based on your undying hero worship complex
Coaches can play favorites and it often will cost them a job. grad and cable are a perfect example of this.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Intersting thoughts by Solomon Wilcots on Carson Palmer/Bengels situation in 2011:
“I don’t believe that Carson Palmer is bluffing in his demand to get traded out of Cincinnati.
I can see that Palmer has grown tired of the losing environment. He has never been an outspoken individual, but now that he has spoken, it would be wise for the Bengals to listen. It’s clear they will lose Palmer one way or the other, so the right move is to be proactive in dealing with the situation.”
“…The Bengals need to recognize who Palmer is, and that he wouldn’t make a trade demand if he didn’t mean it. If he’s outspoken about an issue, know that he’s thought about it long and hard. This isn’t a knee-jerk reaction on his part. He’s frustrated and ready to move on, and it would be wise for the Bengals to explore their options sooner rather than later while the value is at its highest.
Palmer is too bright and too much of an honorable person to completely burn the bridge with the Bengals, but he just wants to cross it and never go back again. He has turned the page and is ready to move on.”
http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/02/15/palmer-isnt-bluffing-bengals-should-be-proactive/
December 18th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
i think it is hilarious that i predict or sniff out things months before they happen and you and others protest and claim that i dont know what im talking about.
Then when the events play out and the news comes out it confirms my take and you and others still want to deny it.
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You have some cred with Russell Wilson. You certainly saw that. There have also been a lot of times you have been not quite right. To say that Palmer was not going to win here, and was going to throw int’s is not earth shattering news in my opinion.
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but you and 99% of the board said I was wrong about palmer and the raiders too….remember?
you can add rgIII and cam newton to the list as well.
dont forget jc vs grad.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
That may be a fact but not the most important fact. Teams with a less productive offense made it to the playoffs. The Raiders defense ranked where? That is what Hue wanted control of. Selfish of him?
December 18th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
if newton dominates the raiders everyone including davis big mack and the fans that watch on tv will be left wondering what can pryor do in a new offense?
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This is a really good point. Especially after The Whiners beat NE in Foxboro. I don’t know if you noticed but a few days ago I came up with my plan to stop the pistol offense. Belichik who is a fan of this blog, took down some notes and instituted what I said which negated the pistol much of the time.
Until someone wins it all with the option O, I don’t know if you are going to see every team embrace it. Matt Ryan, Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning seem to be doing just fine without it.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
but you and 99% of the board said I was wrong about palmer and the raiders too….remember?
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You ARE wrong about Palmer. I will be back later to continue discussion.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Let Hue go.
It doesnt matter who the coach was, we were gonna be in this cap hell regardless.
Dont buy the used car anymore.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
2romes Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Hue earned this season as HC more than Reggie and DA deserved to have it handed to them. Since many of us will think of it in this term maybe next year will be easier for us to forget it if the Raiders have a competitive season.
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17th & 35th overall pick for Carson Palmer.
#NeverForget
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Let’s see, a #1 overall, that is worth more than those two picks combined was not only wasted on JaWalrus, but the team also sunk $30M+ in cash into him and years of development. That was not only a hugely wasted draft pick that was worth more than what they got for a proven commodity, but it also set the club back several years.
Then we have Slolando who is about to be cut that was a wasted #8 overall. That too is worth at least a mid 1st plus a second.
Follow that with DHB, who is a good hard working player of the second tier level whose value is really low 2nd to high 3rd. He was picked #7 overall, so more waste there.
Don’t even get me started on the 3rd that was flushed down the pooper that goes by the initials TP …
Relative to recent high draft pick valuations, this was not a lot to spend on proven NFL starting QB that has been the best player on the offensive side of the ball since arriving.
And for the record, because the team went out and broke all your hearts by beating the Cheifs, that 2nd is no longer in #35 territory. It’s looking more like it’s going to hover around #40 depending on how the next two games go. If you figure that range and the fact that it’s a one year deferred pick, on the draft pick value scale those two combined are 1200 points. That’s the value of the #12 overall. I’d pay that for a starting QB every time.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
And for the record, because the team went out and broke all your hearts by beating the Cheifs, that 2nd is no longer in #35 territory. It’s looking more like it’s going to hover around #40 depending on how the next two games go. If you figure that range and the fact that it’s a one year deferred pick, on the draft pick value scale those two combined are 1200 points. That’s the value of the #12 overall. I’d pay that for a starting QB every time.
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Good post.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
#12 overall for a 32 year old QB with a bad knee and a Pick 6 problem?..
Yea, put down the PS3 controller and step away from the Madden sir..
December 18th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Bad trade.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
There’s no crazy logic that you can come up with where the end result is saying “that was a good trade”.
The ONLY thing that might come close is, we were a team that was a QB away from a SUPER BOWL run.
TURRIBLE.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:05 am
I really don’t understand this freaking fascination with the Houston Texans and being married to the ZBS.
Tired of being told that it’s easy to find and plug scrub OLinemen into the ZBS, and all that’s needed is some time and patience to make it work.
It’s unadulterated garbage.
The ZBS and it’s inherent cut blocking is dirty pansy football.
Straight ahead, mano y mano, power blocking is what football should be about.
Screw the ZBS.
SCRAP THE KRAPP !
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The scheme has won superbowls and CHANGING the system AGAIN, wouldn’t be the best thing to do?
Hey guys, remember zone blocking? We are changing it back to man blocking again.
That takes a toll on the players, as seen by the changes this franchise makes with coaches every other year.
Stick with something, damn it! lol
December 18th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Too bad Hue did not prepare a backup QB. When JC went down I would have found a backup RB and someone to help out the D.
Tom Cable always a back up QB ready
December 18th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
931.Plunketthead Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Too bad Hue did not prepare a backup QB. When JC went down I would have found a backup RB and someone to help out the D.
Tom Cable always a back up QB ready
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Too bad Cable kept trying to make that back up QB a starter.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
927.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
#12 overall for a 32 year old QB with a bad knee and a Pick 6 problem?..
Yea, put down the PS3 controller and step away from the Madden sir..
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Seriously, we got hosed!
No way another team would trade that much for a player who was holding out/retired. Palmer had a horrible year the year before, wasn’t like he was a Pro-Bowler. Hue Fooked us!
Randy Moss was traded for a 4th round pick and went on to have his best season as a pro.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
think it is hilarious that i predict or sniff out things months before they happen and you and others protest and claim that i dont know what im talking about.
Then when the events play out and the news comes out it confirms my take and you and others still want to deny it.
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The problem here is that the definition of an accurate prediction is left to a rather subjective interpretation of whether the player is successful or not. In your eyes, Palmer failed before he first entered training camp. In mine, he has been the one consistently good thing on an offense that is going through the difficult transition of systems and that lacks the surrounding talent to be fully successful at it.
I’ve predicted many subjective things too, that through my own revisionist history were 110% spot on. Go years back on this board and you’ll see that I predicted that DMac would be an incomplete RB that can only run through large holes really fast. Depending on your view, that can be called right or wrong. At the time Walrus boy was picked I screamed that Calvin was going to be the much better NFL player. Still technically subjective, but I’d love to see someone argue the other side of that one. Earlier in this preseason I predicted that McClain would be much better in the Allen/Tarver system. Was I right? I think I was, as he was better than he was before even though he was still subpar by NFL standards. Do I want credit for that one too? Not really.
The one that I do want credit for, and you can look it upas far back as you want: Pryor is to freakin’ stupid to play NFL level QB. Have fun refuting that one as the preponderence of evidence continues to pile in.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
The worst part is, when Campbell went down we were 3-2… if we lose out or close to it we are in position for RG3..
December 18th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
It was obvious you didnt actually see, you obviously dont see much at all. this why you defend a qb that is 4-10 with 19 turnovers.
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Oh look. The one note Johnny is back.
Do you just cut and paste this same post three thousand times?
December 18th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
yeah lets lose to get a higher pick…priorities….smh
December 18th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
931.Plunketthead Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Too bad Hue did not prepare a backup QB. When JC went down I would have found a backup RB and someone to help out the D.
Tom Cable always a back up QB ready
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Too bad Cable kept trying to make that back up QB a starter.
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Its tough when you make two million dollars a year coaching the Oakland Raiders with a strong pimp hand.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
The worst part is, when Campbell went down we were 3-2… if we lose out or close to it we are in position for RG3..
and we finished 4-2, but Indy and St Luis finished 2-14…Don’t think we would have had RGIII…who was picked 3rd?
December 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
The worst part is, when Campbell went down we were 3-2… if we lose out or close to it we are in position for RG3..
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Nope… 4 -2.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
How about the $8.5 million he’s GUARANTEED! I’d think you of all people would be up in arms over that.
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Debo,
Giving Sanchez a contract extension, fully guaranteed as well for no rational reason, when his previous contract wasn’t even up yet, may have been the 2nd stupidest thing any NFL team has ever done.
#1 you ask? Drafting your buddy.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Bottom line on Carcux, when the Raiders played Cincy this year the fans there booed him relentlessly, someone said that should have been thanking him. Not only they got high draft picks, and got rid off of an excessively high salary, they got rid of the “losing environment.”
Now the bungles, with basically the same team and coach that Carcux left behind is now contending for the second season in a row.
Over here, what at least were 50-50 seasons, the Raiders are now fostering losing seasons, thank the chefs for having Brady Quinn, otherwise the Raiders would be contending for the worst team status.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
think it is hilarious that i predict or sniff out things months before they happen and you and others protest and claim that i dont know what im talking about.
Then when the events play out and the news comes out it confirms my take and you and others still want to deny it.
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The problem here is that the definition of an accurate prediction is left to a rather subjective interpretation of whether the player is successful or not. In your eyes, Palmer failed before he first entered training camp. In mine, he has been the one consistently good thing on an offense that is going through the difficult transition of systems and that lacks the surrounding talent to be fully successful at it.
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how many words does it take to say i was right?
I did know palmer would flop before he signed, just like you said, however that is what is known as a prediction.
your welcome
December 18th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
yeah lets lose to get a higher pick…priorities….smh
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Not tanking, it would have been nature taking its course. Hue messed with nature.
Mortgaged our future to win 5 games.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
“you play to win the game!” – edwards.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
FREE TP 6
FREE ROB PARKER
FIRE ALLEN!!!!
PEACE
December 18th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
The worst part is, when Campbell went down we were 3-2… if we lose out or close to it we are in position for RG3..
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Nope… 4 -2.
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Yea 4-2.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Never saw Al tank for draft picks.
Didn’t he keep Nick Miller on the 53 all year for no reason in a losing season? Could have elevated another PS squad guy and “evaluate” him, and he passed.
Let Jamarcus sit behind Bruce Gradkowski and Charlie Frye. MM34 looking from a far his rookie year. Fargas getting more reps than McNinny and Bush down the stretch.
Al knew you had to win football games to improve. It is the only way.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
944.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
yeah lets lose to get a higher pick…priorities….smh
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Not tanking, it would have been nature taking its course. Hue messed with nature.
Mortgaged our future to win 5 games.
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At the time we were still in the running to win the division and make the playoffs. Shame on him for even having Kyle Boller on the roster to begin with but i have no problem with him tryin to win it all the year our Owner passes away.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
“you play to win the game!” – edwards.
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So DA not playing Pryor is cool with you then.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
hwnrdr Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
The worst part is, when Campbell went down we were 3-2… if we lose out or close to it we are in position for RG3..
and we finished 4-2, but Indy and St Luis finished 2-14…Don’t think we would have had RGIII…who was picked 3rd?
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Best we would have drafted is 4th… and we would have had to OUTBID Wash to get RG3.. thus the booty given up would have been even higher.
McK would have traded down instead… be real folks.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
944.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
yeah lets lose to get a higher pick…priorities….smh
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Not tanking, it would have been nature taking its course. Hue messed with nature.
Mortgaged our future to win 5 games.
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At the time we were still in the running to win the division and make the playoffs. Shame on him for even having Kyle Boller on the roster to begin with but i have no problem with him tryin to win it all the year our Owner passes away.
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Well as nostalgic as it seemed, it was a moronic decision. And now we are reaping it.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
“you play to win the game!” – edwards.
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So DA not playing Pryor is cool with you then.
>>>>>.
He did play him. He looked like he was about to chit himself.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
hwnrdr Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
The worst part is, when Campbell went down we were 3-2… if we lose out or close to it we are in position for RG3..
and we finished 4-2, but Indy and St Luis finished 2-14…Don’t think we would have had RGIII…who was picked 3rd?
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Best we would have drafted is 4th… and we would have had to OUTBID Wash to get RG3.. thus the booty given up would have been even higher.
McK would have traded down instead… be real folks.
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We wouldnt have had to outbid them by much. Our picks would have been better than theirs.
Or we have Matt Kalil, Mark Barron on our team.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Had we not traded for CP3, we could’ve drafted Brandon Weeden and been set for the future
December 18th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
936.Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
It was obvious you didnt actually see, you obviously dont see much at all. this why you defend a qb that is 4-10 with 19 turnovers.
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Oh look. The one note Johnny is back.
Do you just cut and paste this same post three thousand times?
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That is totally unfair, Mistic brings a lot to this Raider blog.
(1) His Hatred for Palmer
(2) His grasp and realization that Pryor is the next RGIII and that only the “white” man is standing in his way of greatness.
(3) His informative posts of the Day-to-Day activities of Cam Newton, RGIII and Russell Wilson.
(4) His Hatred of Palmer
(5) The startling realization that we let go one of the greatest QBs of our generation: Jason Campbell.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
“you play to win the game!” – edwards.
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So DA not playing Pryor is cool with you then.
>>>>>.
He did play him. He looked like he was about to chit himself.
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I know you want to chime in, your probably fairly new and I appreciate your zeal, but please… Thats not the point im making. Thanks.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
yeah lets lose to get a higher pick…priorities….smh
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Not tanking, it would have been nature taking its course. Hue messed with nature.
Mortgaged our future to win 5 games.
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I wont say that the trade has worked out in our favor, but I wouldnt go as far as saying that our future was “mortgaged” over the trade. I dont think our “future” would have been made or broken by 1 first rounder, at #17, and one 2nd rounder this year. Are they valuable picks? Absolutely. Would anyone bank their entire franchise future on how those picks turned out? Hell no. Trades, just like draft picks, are a crap shoot.
Nothing revolving that trade is the reason why we are 4-10 right now. Nothing.
We turn back the hands of time, and that trade is never made, we are probably even worse this year with some other QB not named Carson Palmer.
And if that trade is never made, Dennis Allen would still be a weasel of a head coach who doesnt know what hes doing. So #17 in the draft last year wouldnt have saved his sorry @ss.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
#12 overall for a 32 year old QB with a bad knee and a Pick 6 problem?..
Yea, put down the PS3 controller and step away from the Madden sir..
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Try a dose of this reality
Palmer has thrown 14 picks in 562 attempts. Other QBs that have thrown right around that number:
- Andrew Luck, 18 in 564
- Tony Romo, 16 in 568
- Drew Brees, 18 in 574
Then those with the same or more picks on less attempts:
- Eli Manning, 15 in 487
- Philip Rivers, 15 in 488
- Andy Dalton, 14 in 472
- Jay Cutler, 14 in 377
These are all upper half of the NFL QB eschelon and are CPs peers. They all are in much better situations in terms of team stability and surrounding talent. Most the guys on that list are also in Carson’s early 30’s demographic. I’d bet coming into this season, we’d have a near unanimous consensus that anyone on that list would be worth a #12 pick overall.
Yet Palmer is the turnover machine? Talk about glass half empty point of view. Face it, your minds are made up and nothing based in reality or fiction is going to change that. And this is for the team that you supposedly support? I’m glad I don’t have to eat your piss soaked Wheaties every morning!
December 18th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Guys, I e-mailed Hub Arkush and i’ll let you know if he responds and what he said about the Gruden thing and where it’s at.
I’ve talked with him before and we’ve e-mailed back and forth in the past, but i can’t guarantee he’ll take the time.
Just an fyi.
Take it for what it’s worth, and no…i don’t have any delusions that Gruden is coming to Oakland, but yes…i’d be on board if it was true.
December 18th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
936.Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
It was obvious you didnt actually see, you obviously dont see much at all. this why you defend a qb that is 4-10 with 19 turnovers.
>>>>
Oh look. The one note Johnny is back.
Do you just cut and paste this same post three thousand times?
__________________________________________________________
That is totally unfair, Mistic brings a lot to this Raider blog.
(1) His Hatred for Palmer
(2) His grasp and realization that Pryor is the next RGIII and that only the “white” man is standing in his way of greatness.
(3) His informative posts of the Day-to-Day activities of Cam Newton, RGIII and Russell Wilson.
(4) His Hatred of Palmer
(5) The startling realization that we let go one of the greatest QBs of our generation: Jason Campbell.
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dutch do you have anytig factual to say about me?
why are you painting a picture like this with putting words in my mouth?
never said pryor was the next rgIIi
never said a hated palemer
never said jc was the greatest of any generation
Dont go out like btch and lie on me
if you dont have anything to refute my post kindly shut the fugg up
December 18th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
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I know you want to chime in, your probably fairly new and I appreciate your zeal, but please… Thats not the point im making. Thanks.
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Always happy to lend a hand. (And no I am not new)
He DID look like he was about to crap his pants. Not sure I have seen such terror on a NFL QB’s face before.
He was an interception waiting to happen, and Allen wanted to win the game because his JOB might depend on it.
If I were Allen, I’d only play him again if we are getting blown out and we don’t want to get CP injured.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
I like Carson Palmer.
Doesnt mean we got hosed in the trade.
And you can drum up all the stats in the world you want.. But he throws more Pick 6’s than the majority of the other QBs..
December 18th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
#12 overall for a 32 year old QB with a bad knee and a Pick 6 problem?..
Yea, put down the PS3 controller and step away from the Madden sir..
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Try a dose of this reality
Palmer has thrown 14 picks in 562 attempts. Other QBs that have thrown right around that number:
- Andrew Luck, 18 in 564
- Tony Romo, 16 in 568
- Drew Brees, 18 in 574
Then those with the same or more picks on less attempts:
- Eli Manning, 15 in 487
- Philip Rivers, 15 in 488
- Andy Dalton, 14 in 472
- Jay Cutler, 14 in 377
These are all upper half of the NFL QB eschelon and are CPs peers. They all are in much better situations in terms of team stability and surrounding talent. Most the guys on that list are also in Carson’s early 30’s demographic. I’d bet coming into this season, we’d have a near unanimous consensus that anyone on that list would be worth a #12 pick overall.
Yet Palmer is the turnover machine? Talk about glass half empty point of view. Face it, your minds are made up and nothing based in reality or fiction is going to change that. And this is for the team that you supposedly support? I’m glad I don’t have to eat your piss soaked Wheaties every morning!
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lol palmer has 19 turnovers in 14 games this year
he has 37 turnovers in 37 games as a raider
yes that means he is a turn over machine
easy math
December 18th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Doesnt mean we didnt get hosed*
December 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
dutch do you have anytig factual to say about me?
>>>>
He was being facetious, but very accurate. He nailed it actually.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
I see someone has been trolling my name.
Loser.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
(2) His grasp and realization that Pryor is the next RGIII and that only the “white” man is standing in his way of greatness.
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In the case of RGIII that damned Cousins guy exposing how the “wave of the future” is as it’s always been in the NFL. It’s not about one talent, it’s about using the system that is the outlier; the one that others aren’t prepared for.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
On a team with no pass rush, Chandler Jones would have been a nice pick.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
What’s RaiderLen!?!
Who do you want to fire today? lol jk
December 18th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
What’s RaiderLen!?!
Who do you want to fire today? lol jk
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I’ll take a pound of Knapp Flesh please. lol
December 18th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Whats up!?!?*
December 18th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Hahaha
with a side of Pollack!
December 18th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
lol palmer has 19 turnovers in 14 games this year
he has 37 turnovers in 37 games as a raider
yes that means he is a turn over machine
easy math
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Then let’s move onto harder math. Ever hear of “normalization”?
Not even looking into fumbles, based on all the peers that I listed above and adding a few names like Stafford and Ryan, they are all at or above a turnover per game. I guess that means that the majority of the top QBs in the game are turnover machines. And I’m prety sure that not a single one of them would opt to swap places with Palmer in Oakland’s chaos. So relative to his peers, Palmer is an elite QB.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Got back to the office and logged on. Just checking out what’s up.
Looking forward to this Friday as I’ll be heading into 6 days off. YES!
December 18th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
In the case of RGIII that damned Cousins guy exposing how the “wave of the future” is as it’s always been in the NFL. It’s not about one talent, it’s about using the system that is the outlier; the one that others aren’t prepared for.
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Yeah RG3 sucks and JaCarson Russell is the greatest Faider QB of all time ! Please resign him to 10 more years! And resign REg and Dennis Allen to 10 more years so the Faiders can be the LAUGHING STOCK of the NFL for another 10 years ! fckn LOSERS !
December 18th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Hahaha
with a side of Pollack!
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Yep, make it a combo!
December 18th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
We are 4-10. We would be 7-7 if Palmer didnt throw that crucial pick in the ATL, TB & CLE games..
December 18th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
We are 4-10. We would be 7-7 if Palmer didnt throw that crucial pick in the ATL, TB & CLE games..
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Well, that would have changed the trajectory of conversation around these parts.
That’s for sure.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I post on numerous Raider boards.
This is the only one that the majority of the posts, after a win, are negative.
All because a few are in love with a player who admits in his own words that he’s just not ready?
Some of you just like to b1tch, don’t you?
No other reason except to b1tch.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
We are 4-10. We would be 7-7 if Palmer didnt throw that crucial pick in the ATL, TB & CLE games..
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Its everyone elses fault BUT Palmer . JaCArson Russell can do no wrong . PLease resign him so he can retire a Faider . We need the Faiders to suck as long as possible ! So please have patients with Dennis and JaCarson ! hehehe
December 18th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
correction palmer has 37 turnovers in 23 games
trun over machine is applicable in his case
December 18th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
We are 4-10. We would be 7-7 if Palmer didnt throw that crucial pick in the ATL, TB & CLE games..
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Well, that would have changed the trajectory of conversation around these parts.
That’s for sure.
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Yup, since the if’s, buts and could have beens are what people in here hold on to. Let go of the past!
LOL RaderLen, enjoy those days off!
December 18th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
JaCarson has never thrown a INT in his career ! Its always the receivers fault for being double covered!
December 18th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
1. Texans 12-2
2. Broncos 11-3
3. Pats 10-4
4. Ravens 9-5
5. Colts 9-5
6. Bengals 8-6
Raiders 7-7
Steelers 7-7
Without those 3 picks.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
#12 overall for a 32 year old QB with a bad knee and a Pick 6 problem?..
Yea, put down the PS3 controller and step away from the Madden sir..
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Try a dose of this reality
Palmer has thrown 14 picks in 562 attempts. Other QBs that have thrown right around that number:
- Andrew Luck, 18 in 564
- Tony Romo, 16 in 568
- Drew Brees, 18 in 574
Then those with the same or more picks on less attempts:
- Eli Manning, 15 in 487
- Philip Rivers, 15 in 488
- Andy Dalton, 14 in 472
- Jay Cutler, 14 in 377
These are all upper half of the NFL QB eschelon and are CPs peers. They all are in much better situations in terms of team stability and surrounding talent. Most the guys on that list are also in Carson’s early 30’s demographic. I’d bet coming into this season, we’d have a near unanimous consensus that anyone on that list would be worth a #12 pick overall.
Yet Palmer is the turnover machine? Talk about glass half empty point of view. Face it, your minds are made up and nothing based in reality or fiction is going to change that. And this is for the team that you supposedly support? I’m glad I don’t have to eat your piss soaked Wheaties every morning!
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lol palmer has 19 turnovers in 14 games this year
he has 37 turnovers in 37 games as a raider
yes that means he is a turn over machine
easy math
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You just got schooled, and all you could come back with was that?
Why bother?
December 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
We are 4-10. We would be 7-7 if Palmer didnt throw that crucial pick in the ATL, TB & CLE games..
>>>>>
You can only make this point by ignoring the only reason we were in any of those games was because of CP.
You don’t get to cherry pick the bad and ignore the good.
At least if you are an adult.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Whitlock at it again
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/kobe-bryant-ego-hampers-dwight-hoard-los-angeles-lakers-downfall-121812
The problem is deeper than touches. It’s a mentality that a big man must have in order to lead his team. Dwight Howard must enter every NBA arena with this mindset: “If I don’t hunt and kill, no one eats tonight.”
That’s Kobe’s mindset. But at 34, having played 1,186 regular-season games and 220 playoff games, Kobe doesn’t hunt and kill as effectively as Howard. Kobe isn’t the same as a 34-year-old Jordan. At this stage in his career, Jordan had played 873 regular-season games and 158 playoff games. Jordan was still a force of nature. Don’t get fooled by Kobe’s numbers. He’s not Kevin Durant or Carmelo Anthony, and Kobe damn sure isn’t LeBron James.
James, Durant and Melo can impose their will on the opposition. Over the course of a seven-game playoff series, they can mentally bludgeon an opponent into submission. We saw James do it to the Pacers and the Celtics in last year’s playoffs. Kobe is smart. He can be efficient. But he’s trying too hard right now. That’s why he leads the league in turnovers with 97. Kobe’s days of imposing his will in a playoff series are over. Howard’s days should just be beginning.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Zymurge says:
“These are all upper half of the NFL QB eschelon and are CPs peers. They all are in much better situations in terms of team stability and surrounding talent.”
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Only the football ignorant ignore this fact and don’t take it into account.
It doesn’t fit their agenda which is fueled by thier pre-disposed hatred for the guy as a person.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
We are 4-10. We would be 7-7 if Palmer didnt throw that crucial pick in the ATL, TB & CLE games..
>>>>>
You can only make this point by ignoring the only reason we were in any of those games was because of CP.
You don’t get to cherry pick the bad and ignore the good.
At least if you are an adult.
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We were only in the ATL & CLE game because of our defense.
Ill give him the TB game.
BUt regardless of why we were in it, my point was he is a QB that is prone to the big INT. This is irrefutable.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
That being said, I want Carson back with Norv Turner as his OC.
But only with a big paycut.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I post on numerous Raider boards.
This is the only one that the majority of the posts, after a win, are negative.
All because a few are in love with a player who admits in his own words that he’s just not ready?
Some of you just like to b1tch, don’t you?
No other reason except to b1tch.
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Then take your happy assz to a blog where 4-12 is right in your wheel house.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Guys, I e-mailed Hub Arkush and i’ll let you know if he responds and what he said about the Gruden thing and where it’s at.
I’ve talked with him before and we’ve e-mailed back and forth in the past, but i can’t guarantee he’ll take the time.
Just an fyi.
Take it for what it’s worth, and no…i don’t have any delusions that Gruden is coming to Oakland, but yes…i’d be on board if it was true.
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Keep us updated.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Do the Raiders have enough talent and coaching skills to win these last to games? I say the Raiders have enough talent. The coaching skill… Well, I think norv out coaches the Raiders Coaches. Does any body there think the Raiders don’t have enough talent to win out this year. Keep in mind I want the Raiders to win any and every game they play!!!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
I see someone has been trolling my name.
Loser.
===================
So, prior to this that wasn’t you? And after this were all your posts?
Don’t know how to be delicate on this.
Posts prior to this were rather in depth, and on the money. After this you’ve not said anything except you signed on, and you’re leaving for 6 days.
Maybe you should ask that other guy for advice on what to say?
December 18th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
DAV,
How about Cam Cameron? Do you think he’ll be a great fit with us?
December 18th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Try a dose of this reality
Palmer has thrown 14 picks in 562 attempts. Other QBs that have thrown right around that number:
- Andrew Luck, 18 in 564
- Tony Romo, 16 in 568
- Drew Brees, 18 in 574
Then those with the same or more picks on less attempts:
- Eli Manning, 15 in 487
- Philip Rivers, 15 in 488
- Andy Dalton, 14 in 472
- Jay Cutler, 14 in 377
I’d bet coming into this season, we’d have a near unanimous consensus that anyone on that list would be worth a #12 pick overall.
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Not Romo, Rivers or Dalton. After this season, maybe not Cutler; and then Eli wouldn’t be unanimous.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Adam Caplan@caplannfl
With Michael Bush on IR today, he may have played his last down for the Bears; has $1 M RB due on 3rd day of free agency. $1.5 M base.
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Wouldnt mind Bush back for league min. But I’d rather draft a young guy like Eddie Lacey, or Stefan Taylor
December 18th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I post on numerous Raider boards.
This is the only one that the majority of the posts, after a win, are negative.
All because a few are in love with a player who admits in his own words that he’s just not ready?
Some of you just like to b1tch, don’t you?
No other reason except to b1tch.
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Then take your happy assz to a blog where 4-12 is right in your wheel house.
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You’re pretty much close to totally losing it, aren’t you Michael?
You posted the exact same post yesterday a dozen times.
Old people do that. Slow people do that. Retarded people do that.
When old people do it, it’s a sign you’re losing it. Altz’s approaching.
Guess the good news is in 10 min you’ll forget what I just said?
December 18th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
I see someone has been trolling my name.
Loser.
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So, prior to this that wasn’t you? And after this were all your posts?
Don’t know how to be delicate on this.
Posts prior to this were rather in depth, and on the money. After this you’ve not said anything except you signed on, and you’re leaving for 6 days.
Maybe you should ask that other guy for advice on what to say?
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10-4 Alex
December 18th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
DAV,
How about Cam Cameron? Do you think he’ll be a great fit with us?
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He wouldnt be bad at all..
December 18th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Adam Caplan@caplannfl
With Michael Bush on IR today, he may have played his last down for the Bears; has $1 M RB due on 3rd day of free agency. $1.5 M base.
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Wouldnt mind Bush back for league min. But I’d rather draft a young guy like Eddie Lacey, or Stefan Taylor
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Stefphon Jefferson.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
There are a lot of QBs in this league not worth the potential of a top young prospect because they aren’t “great” or “really good”.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
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Stefphon Jefferson.
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I like the kid out of stanford Stefan Taylor. Perfect cut back runner and physical
December 18th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
4-12….only good for baseball batting…
December 18th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
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Stefphon Jefferson.
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I like the kid out of stanford Stefan Taylor. Perfect cut back runner and physical
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True but I like Jefferson better id say, homerun threat and return man.. 2 birds meet your 1 stone.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
974.Zymurge Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
lol palmer has 19 turnovers in 14 games this year
he has 37 turnovers in 37 games as a raider
yes that means he is a turn over machine
easy math
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Then let’s move onto harder math. Ever hear of “normalization”?
Not even looking into fumbles, based on all the peers that I listed above and adding a few names like Stafford and Ryan, they are all at or above a turnover per game. I guess that means that the majority of the top QBs in the game are turnover machines. And I’m prety sure that not a single one of them would opt to swap places with Palmer in Oakland’s chaos. So relative to his peers, Palmer is an elite QB.
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Brett Favre had 336 int’s in 298 games played. That isn’t even counting his fumbles.
He’s a 1st ballot hall of famer in case you didn’t know.
And before you immediately turn to the obvious comeback of “well he has a ring and a winning record” i’ll say to look at the organization he was with. Look at the receivers he had…the weapons in the run game, at tight end…the DEFENSE with Reggie White etc.
Some of you idiots think if you have a great QB that it doesn’t matter if you have a historically awful defense, or no running game, or rookie receivers who are less than stellar or who other’s who simply don’t know how to run a decent route or come back to the ball.
NEWSFLASH: IT’S A TEAM GAME.
As far as being 7-7 if Palmer doesn’t throw those picks..YOU DON’T KNOW THAT. You ready to guarantee that the worst defense in decades was going to stop Ryan from scoring if Palmer doesn’t throw that pick?
Against TB we were still trailing and if it weren’t for Palmer throwing us back into the game, we wouldn’t have had a shot anyway. Cleveland? THAT was an ill advised throw but it points to the fact that Palmer HAS TO BE PERFECT for us to even have a chance in those games.
You guys act as if you are offended that Palmer dares not to be the QB that meets your high standards for Raider excellence. Look to the defense, the running game, the receivers who drop a ridiculous number of passes and many that would be touchdowns.
Or just admit you have a pre-disposed hatred for the guy for whatever reason and just be honest.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
4-12….only good for baseball batting…
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Or Sanchez’s pass attempts.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
We were only in the ATL & CLE game because of our defense.
Ill give him the TB game.
BUt regardless of why we were in it, my point was he is a QB that is prone to the big INT. This is irrefutable.
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Atl: 23-33 for 353.. those are numbers that wins 90% of NFL games.
Cleveland was the “bad Carson,” but the defense gave up 475 yards. Please.
And I agree he has inopportune ints… but that was always the knock on Farve too. You have to take the good with the bad with a gun-slinger. Farve had some horrible horrible seasons with a team as bad as this.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I post on numerous Raider boards.
This is the only one that the majority of the posts, after a win, are negative.
All because a few are in love with a player who admits in his own words that he’s just not ready?
Some of you just like to b1tch, don’t you?
No other reason except to b1tch.
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Then take your happy assz to a blog where 4-12 is right in your wheel house.
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So you signed in today, just to post that?
Nothing else. Just to get attention?
You’re a needy old man, aren’t you?
Any attention at all pretty much makes your day, doesn’t it?
You remind me of my Grandfather.
Like you he repeats himself, over and over.
Like you, doesn’t care if he makes sense or not.
Like you forgets what he said, then gets all pissy when it’s pointed out.
*Pat on head for Kelli*
There. You feel better?
December 18th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
Shame on him for even having Kyle Boller on the roster to begin with but i have no problem with him tryin to win it all the year our Owner passes away.
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Well I give him credit for doing it the way Al would have done it: Trading away the future for a retread. That’s definitely straight out of the AD playbook.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
We were only in the ATL & CLE game because of our defense.
Ill give him the TB game.
BUt regardless of why we were in it, my point was he is a QB that is prone to the big INT. This is irrefutable.
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Atl: 23-33 for 353.. those are numbers that wins 90% of NFL games.
Cleveland was the “bad Carson,” but the defense gave up 475 yards. Please.
And I agree he has inopportune ints… but that was always the knock on Farve too. You have to take the good with the bad with a gun-slinger. Farve had some horrible horrible seasons with a team as bad as this.
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Points win games, not yards.
And Favre wasnt known for bad picks. He was known for comebacks and game winning drives.
He threw a lot of picks yea, but he more than made up for them.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
All the stats in the world dont refute the fact we got hosed badly in the “greatest trade ever”.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Kirk Cousins threw for more yards in one game than RGIII has all year.
IR’GIII = system QB
December 18th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Or just admit you have a pre-disposed hatred for the guy for whatever reason and just be honest.
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That whatever reason has to do with the color of his skin.
Let’s see.
Mistic, Priest, Kelli all want Pryor.
All three are proven racists on this board.
Two of these are black men, the other a black woman.
All hate whitey.
And when Pryor fails?
Guarantee they will blame whitey for not preparing him.
(priest first guaranteed pryor was better than CP. Then changed his tune to let’s see how he does, that he needs MORE time if Pryor tanks, then changed it to DA didn’t prepare him for the game)
A case of BBMS.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
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Brett Favre had 336 int’s in 298 games played. That isn’t even counting his fumbles.
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We posted this at the exact same time… great minds think alike.
If Farve in his prime was QBing this horrible team he’d have 30 interceptions… without blinking an eye.
He was that much of a competitor. Players like Palmer or Farve are only going to be great on great teams.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Ugh, I’m sick of settling for mediocre coaches and players. Carson isn’t the savior. Knapp isn’t going to turn things around. Reggie does slow time when he speaks. Pryor probably isn’t the QB of the future either, but I’d like to see that for myself. The Palmer trade has officially not been worth it for weeks now. I can’t think of one reason to actually watch the last two games other than to see how good/bad Pryor is.
/stream of consciousness.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
All the stats in the world dont refute the fact we got hosed badly in the “greatest trade ever”.
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So, you agree Hue is an idiot?
December 18th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
(2) His grasp and realization that Pryor is the next RGIII and that only the “white” man is standing in his way of greatness.
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In the case of RGIII that damned Cousins guy exposing how the “wave of the future” is as it’s always been in the NFL. It’s not about one talent, it’s about using the system that is the outlier; the one that others aren’t prepared for.
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The same thing goes for A. Rodgers/M. Flynn and T. Brady/M. Cassell.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Kirk Cousins threw for more yards in one game than RGIII has all year.
IR’GIII = system QB
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Really..
Really…….
REALLY………..
December 18th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Points win games, not yards.
And Favre wasnt known for bad picks. He was known for comebacks and game winning drives.
He threw a lot of picks yea, but he more than made up for them.
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Talk to Packer or Viking fans about that one, Bubba.
You are simply desperately making stuff up as you go (Like claiming the defense kept us in the Clev game when they gave up 475 yards.)
December 18th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Is Lacey draft eligible?
I thought he was a fresh or sophmore, or is that the other RB they have?
December 18th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Points win games, not yards.
And Favre wasnt known for bad picks. He was known for comebacks and game winning drives.
He threw a lot of picks yea, but he more than made up for them.
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Talk to Packer or Viking fans about that one, Bubba.
You are simply desperately making stuff up as you go (Like claiming the defense kept us in the Clev game when they gave up 475 yards.)
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POINTS WIN GAMES NOT YARDS
POINTS
WIN
GAMES.
POINTS.
OUTSCORE YOUR OPPONENT. NOT OUTGAIN…
POINTS…
NOT YARDS….
POINTS.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Farve wasn’t known for BAD PICKS??? Hahahahaha.
Talk to Viking fans about his pick against NO’s to go to the SB.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
STOP THEM FROM SCORING
NOT STOP THEM FROM GAINING YARDS.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Farve wasn’t known for BAD PICKS??? Hahahahaha.
Talk to Viking fans about his pick against NO’s to go to the SB.
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So Favre is ‘known’ for that pick.
RRrrrrrrrrriiiiggggghhhhttt….
December 18th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Is Lacey draft eligible?
I thought he was a fresh or sophmore, or is that the other RB they have?
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Bama’s Lacey?
He’s a RS junior..
December 18th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Points win games, not yards.
And Favre wasnt known for bad picks. He was known for comebacks and game winning drives.
He threw a lot of picks yea, but he more than made up for them.
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Talk to Packer or Viking fans about that one, Bubba.
You are simply desperately making stuff up as you go (Like claiming the defense kept us in the Clev game when they gave up 475 yards.)
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POINTS WIN GAMES NOT YARDS
POINTS
WIN
GAMES.
POINTS.
OUTSCORE YOUR OPPONENT. NOT OUTGAIN…
POINTS…
NOT YARDS….
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So a defense that gives up 475 yards wins a lot of games??
Yea.. go tell that to some 13 year old or something.
I’d bet it losses over 95%.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
If Im reggie.. Im not trading Pryor anywhere. U are paying him 500 g’s for what? Send his candy azz out there in the RZ as a TE.
Tell him to learn 3 routes as a WR and use his superior athleticism. Pryor led his highschool to State Championships in both football and Basketball.
Go on utube and watch his catch in a college game. He did it twice in his career out jumping the corner like he was Randy moss.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Kirk Cousins threw for more yards in one game than RGIII has all year.
IR’GIII = system QB
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Last year against the Lions, Matt Flynn set the Packer single-game record for passing yards (480) and passing TDs (6).
A. Rodgers = System QB
December 18th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Points win games, not yards.
And Favre wasnt known for bad picks. He was known for comebacks and game winning drives.
He threw a lot of picks yea, but he more than made up for them.
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Talk to Packer or Viking fans about that one, Bubba.
You are simply desperately making stuff up as you go (Like claiming the defense kept us in the Clev game when they gave up 475 yards.)
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POINTS WIN GAMES NOT YARDS
POINTS
WIN
GAMES.
POINTS.
OUTSCORE YOUR OPPONENT. NOT OUTGAIN…
POINTS…
NOT YARDS….
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So a defense that gives up 475 yards wins a lot of games??
Yea.. go tell that to some 13 year old or something.
I’d bet it losses over 95%.
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Apparently I am talking to a 13 year old because you keep bringing up yards.
Points.
The only thing that matters is the SCOREboard. Not the STATsheet.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Bama’s Lacey?
He’s a RS junior..
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Sweet!!
Draft him, trade McNinny
December 18th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Farve wasn’t known for BAD PICKS??? Hahahahaha.
Talk to Viking fans about his pick against NO’s to go to the SB.
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So Favre is ‘known’ for that pick.
RRrrrrrrrrriiiiggggghhhhttt….
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LOL! Yes, they had screen grabs of it. How there were wide open receivers all over the field.
I will see some buddy’s at the bar in a few minutes that are Viking fans. I can’t wait to see the belly laugh they get when I tell them about this!!
December 18th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
If 2 defense’s give up 400 yards, who wins?..
The TEAM WHO SCORED THE MOST POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Or just admit you have a pre-disposed hatred for the guy for whatever reason and just be honest.
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That whatever reason has to do with the color of his skin.
Let’s see.
Mistic, Priest, Kelli all want Pryor.
All three are proven racists on this board.
Two of these are black men, the other a black woman.
All hate whitey.
And when Pryor fails?
Guarantee they will blame whitey for not preparing him.
(priest first guaranteed pryor was better than CP. Then changed his tune to let’s see how he does, that he needs MORE time if Pryor tanks, then changed it to DA didn’t prepare him for the game)
A case of BBMS.
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You realize it’s more than just three black people on a blog that don’t think Palmer is the great QB some people here think he is, right? In fact, it only seems to be people who root for the Raiders who say the trade wasn’t one of the worst in history.
We can have different opinions on the direction of the team without someone being racist. They could be racist, I don’t know if they are, but to pretend only people who hate “whitey” aren’t sold on Palmer, is irrational. Much like thinking Palmer is great.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Farve wasn’t known for BAD PICKS??? Hahahahaha.
Talk to Viking fans about his pick against NO’s to go to the SB.
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So Favre is ‘known’ for that pick.
RRrrrrrrrrriiiiggggghhhhttt….
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LOL! Yes, they had screen grabs of it. How there were wide open receivers all over the field.
I will see some buddy’s at the bar in a few minutes that are Viking fans. I can’t wait to see the belly laugh they get when I tell them about this!!
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Im sure they’ll mention it when he is inducted into the HOF.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
@2romes Do the Raiders have enough talent and coaching skills to win these last to games? Yes and NO! The Raiders could have won half of the games we lost if Knapp would have called 22 or more running plays between the tackles per game. Too many passing plays & too many runs to the outside. & we have under used Reece & Ashberry all year. For what ever reason the other teams are able to get their TE open over the middle on cross routs almost everytime we are in zone. We whooped the Chief without a TD because they don’t have a go to TE. Huff & our DB are getting better, but out LBs can not cover. At least our LBs can now stop the run. I think we have the talent to beat the Panthers & Chargers if we control the game with the run & hit a few big plays off of playaction. But if we don’t establish the run & Knapp has Carson dinking & dumping we will lose from a last minute turn over or flat-out get out scored. This team was made for power running and big plays off of playaction!
December 18th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
My 8 year old daughter can understand the concept of points determining the winner and not yards, why cant you?
December 18th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
How can a qb, be a “system QB” when he can makes all the throws and is mobile?
Sorry, i’m not an expert scout like some of you but this doesn’t make sense to me.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
First thing I do when I walk into a room when a games on is ask who has the most yards!!!!!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
December 18th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Apparently I am talking to a 13 year old because you keep bringing up yards.
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DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Points win games, not yards.
And Favre wasnt known for bad picks. He was known for comebacks and game winning drives.
He threw a lot of picks yea, but he more than made up for them.
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Talk to Packer or Viking fans about that one, Bubba.
You are simply desperately making stuff up as you go (Like claiming the defense kept us in the Clev game when they gave up 475 yards.)
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POINTS WIN GAMES NOT YARDS
POINTS
WIN
GAMES.
POINTS.
OUTSCORE YOUR OPPONENT. NOT OUTGAIN…
POINTS…
NOT YARDS….
>>>>>
So a defense that gives up 475 yards wins a lot of games??
Yea.. go tell that to some 13 year old or something.
I’d bet it losses over 95%.
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Apparently I am talking to a 13 year old because you keep bringing up yards.
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Funny I was thinking the same thing.
At any rate.. I got a lot of laughs out of this. I learned today that a defense that gives up 475 yards is a good thing, and that Farve wasn’t known for bad picks!
See ya!
December 18th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Last year against the Lions, Matt Flynn set the Packer single-game record for passing yards (480) and passing TDs (6).
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Meaningless week 17 games don’t count.
See 2008, Russell, Jamarcus
December 18th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
How can a qb, be a “system QB” when he can makes all the throws and is mobile?
Sorry, i’m not an expert scout like some of you but this doesn’t make sense to me.
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I guess making sense isnt what matters in here man.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
LOL@ DAV, good stuff.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
How can a qb, be a “system QB” when he can makes all the throws and is mobile?
Sorry, i’m not an expert scout like some of you but this doesn’t make sense to me.
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You’re talking about RG3, right?
December 18th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
A little more input on the Pryor debate…
To me, it was an absolute ‘no-brainer’ that TP should have been active and used in some situational packages along the way.
Inexcusable that it took until week 11 for TP to even be activated. Guess this staff thought it was more important to have Matt Lice ready to save the season if CP went down than to get TP some experience and try to evaluate him.
Here’s where the NAYSAYERS line up and ask:
But…But…Don’t the coaches see TP every day in practice and know he isn’t ready and can’t throw well enough to be an NFL QB ?
This question deserves an answer.
The answer is this…
You can bet your butt that in practice TP is expected to fade back, make a read and deliver a strike.
I believe TP probably struggles doing that and doesn’t look good or ready to play.
Here’s the thing though – and why I don’t put an iota of faith in Krapp’s estimation of TP’s readiness.
If you expect TP to be the prototypical pocket passer, make reads, or consistently deliver strikes (either in practice or on Sunday) you’re likely to be disappointed at this stage of his career.
TP’s value right now, will come from his ability to use his legs, extend a play, throw on the run, or just run it himself.
Of course a visionless douchenozzle like Krapp doesn’t understand this – and wouldn’t like TP deviating from his oh so fantastic ’schemes’ anyway.
That’s why I don’t give a hoot what Krapp thinks of TP.
My personal opinion is that TP will NEVER be a good enough passer to be a top-notch NFL QB.
But I don’t know that for sure.
I want to see what he can do if given a chance. Give him some experience. Let his see some defenses, adjust to the speed of the game.
Shoot, might be that we’ll come to the conclusion he can’t throw well enough to get it done.
Maybe we’ll discover that although he isn’t a great passer, he has enough overall game to get WINS.
Maybe we’ll discover that he throws alot better than expected and could be really, really good.
One thing’s for sure, we’re not going to discover anything or make a vital determination on TP, unless he gets some run. Not just in practice, but in a real game.
So what’s the freaking problem with giving him some play ?
Nothing to lose. Everything to gain.
Case closed.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Why even keep score?
We should just have yardage boards instead of score boards..
-GDOG Logic.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Fact #1– Hue Jackson is gone. He will not be back.
Fact #2– T Pryor is not the QB of the future. Here or anywhere. He will also not be back next year.
Fact #3– Reggie will be back. No amount of “Duh… Fire Reggie” posts are going to change that.
Fact #4– Allen will most likely be back. Not a sure thing, but likely.
Fact #5– Gruden will not be back. The possibility exists, but it’s not likely.
Fact #6– Knapp will not be back next year. He wasn’t their first, second or third choice, as I remember. He was what they ended up with after a late start and being denied permission to speak with other choices.
With these facts in mind, where does the team go from here?
Besides L.A., I mean….
December 18th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Last year against the Lions, Matt Flynn set the Packer single-game record for passing yards (480) and passing TDs (6).
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Meaningless week 17 games don’t count.
See 2008, Russell, Jamarcus
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Ummm, don’t get your point. Can you help me out?
December 18th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
And Aaron Rodgers.
Don’t tell me Aaron Rodgers isn’t mobile…
December 18th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
@1046
Exactly. I’d also add the fact that it’s not like there are a lot of spare QB reps in practice for the 3rd stringer.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Bama’s Lacey?
He’s a RS junior..
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Sweet!!
Draft him, trade McNinny
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He’s projected to go late 2nd early 3rd.
If we could swap DMAC for a 2nd or early 3rd, It’s doable. Basically a swap out.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
My 8 year old daughter can understand the concept of points determining the winner and not yards, why cant you?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
KK called
did you know eight is twice as many as four?
December 18th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
And Aaron Rodgers.
Don’t tell me Aaron Rodgers isn’t mobile…
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Yep, just making sure.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Yards Allowed Per Game / Rank / Record
433.3 / 32nd / 6-8
393.9 / 30th / 6-8
381.1 / 30th / 8-6
377.4 / 29th / 8-6
376.8 / 28th / 10-4
374.3 / 27th / 9-5
December 18th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
RediaR Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
@1046
Exactly. I’d also add the fact that it’s not like there are a lot of spare QB reps in practice for the 3rd stringer.
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Exactly.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Someone even did a slideshow of Farves picks… but he wasn’t “known” for them:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/470140-turnover-the-10-worst-interceptions-of-brett-favres-career/page/2
December 18th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
Meaningless week 17 games don’t count.
See 2008, Russell, Jamarcus
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I bet chucky remembers that game.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Someone even did a slideshow of Farves picks… but he wasn’t “known” for them:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/470140-turnover-the-10-worst-interceptions-of-brett-favres-career/page/2
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DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Yards Allowed Per Game / Rank / Record
433.3 / 32nd / 6-8
393.9 / 30th / 6-8
381.1 / 30th / 8-6
377.4 / 29th / 8-6
376.8 / 28th / 10-4
374.3 / 27th / 9-5
December 18th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
Kirk Cousins threw for more yards in one game than RGIII has all year.
IR’GIII = system QB
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Carson Palmer threw for more INTs in two games than RGIII has thrown all year.
Palmer = mediocre QB
December 18th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Yards Allowed Per Game / Rank / Record
433.3 / 32nd / 6-8
393.9 / 30th / 6-8
381.1 / 30th / 8-6
377.4 / 29th / 8-6
376.8 / 28th / 10-4
374.3 / 27th / 9-5
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Ok, stats to prove that STATS DONT MATTER.
More gutter laughs for me.
My work is done here.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Points.
Apprently not only do you not understand their importance… You dont understand points either.
Cool.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
That’s just sad.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Points.
Apprently not only do you not understand their importance… You dont understand points either.
Cool.
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There’s not many here who would admit being wrong.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
POINTS WIN GAMES NOT YARDS
POINTS
WIN
GAMES.
POINTS.
OUTSCORE YOUR OPPONENT. NOT OUTGAIN…
POINTS…
NOT YARDS….
POINTS.
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You’re close, but the actual formula is that point DIFFERENTIAL wins games.
The Raiders just beat the Chefs with a mere 18 points. Why? Because they scored 18 more than the other guys. Meanwhile, in a game of my two most dispised teams, Brady scored almost twice as many as the Raiders did and lost to the Whiners. Why? Because their defense gave up 41.
Part of the issue with the games mentioned where CP through the picks at the bad time were the fact that the defense wasn’t doing their part either. Why was he even in a position to throw the ball at all? If the defense simply played 100% mistake free football, as you all expect Palmer to do, then every game would be a shutout and Lechler could QB this team to a 16-0 record. If the running game were working flawlessly, as the expectations on Palmer’s execution are, he’d only ever have to hand the ball off and never be exposed to the picks.
But no. It’s a team game and every member of the team contributes to either scoring or preventing scores. As each has degrees of success and failure, the score is ultimately determined.
And then the myopic focus only on the play of one position.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Outscoring you opponent… Hmm…sounds like point differential.. LOL..
POINTS > Yards.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Points.
Apprently not only do you not understand their importance… You dont understand points either.
Cool.
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There’s not many here who would admit being wrong.
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Unfortunate.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
:::eating popcorn, reading DAV’s posts:::
lol
December 18th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Mitt Romney Campaign: We Will Not ‘Be Dictated By Fact-Checkers’
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/mitt-romney-_n_1836139.html
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That’s where we are today.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
1046. RAIDERMAN… Good post. It’s about the most sensible thing I’ve seen about Pryor on here.
I think It’s possible that the staff sees so little upside to his game at QB, they just don’t feel the need to commit to getting him ready for lengthy game action.
It seems that they’ve got quite a bit to look at with the receivers, also. Going with Pryor would probably limit what you could see with receivers. I realize they’ve seen the receivers all year, but… I’ve seen every snap of every game. I’m no coach or evaluator, but I can’t tell if any of them are worth sticking with. Not one of them stands out as a true #1 or even #2 receiver on a consistent basis.
After saying that, I think it makes sense to give Pryor at LEAST a quarter in each of the last games.
Unless they’ve already made a decision and are looking at other parts of the offensive unit.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Good take on the defensive part of it. It is asking alot when the Raiders have not been able to play ball controlled offense in many games. I did see some manufactured plays at times that payed dividenes but the coaches don’t seem to have those plays ready every game like other good teams do. Just wanted to here from someone that said we don’t have the talant to win the next two games
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1037.cfrylopez Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
@2romes Do the Raiders have enough talent and coaching skills to win these last to games? Yes and NO! The Raiders could have won half of the games we lost if Knapp would have called 22 or more running plays between the tackles per game. Too many passing plays & too many runs to the outside. & we have under used Reece & Ashberry all year. For what ever reason the other teams are able to get their TE open over the middle on cross routs almost everytime we are in zone. We whooped the Chief without a TD because they don’t have a go to TE. Huff & our DB are getting better, but out LBs can not cover. At least our LBs can now stop the run. I think we have the talent to beat the Panthers & Chargers if we control the game with the run & hit a few big plays off of playaction. But if we don’t establish the run & Knapp has Carson dinking & dumping we will lose from a last minute turn over or flat-out get out scored. This team was made for power running and big plays off of playaction!
December 18th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
[Pryor ... yada, yada, yada]
So what’s the freaking problem with giving him some play ?
Nothing to lose. Everything to gain.
Case closed.
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Case reopened. There is something to be losed. There are two reasons that the team *might* be wanting to limit his playing time, based on his not getting it right in practice:
1) The less body of work of his on film, the more desparate GMs can latch on to the few successful plays in preseason that are available and see potential. That could amount to some pittance of a draft pick in exchange for relieving the Raiders of his roster spot. Play him more and let the league see more 3 and outs, and that value diminishes to nothingness.
2) The staff does see the athletic potential at another position. By continuing to frustrate him with statements of not earning PT, they might be able to turn the corner and convince him to try something new to extend his NFL career. What the kid does have is a lot of passion to succeed and the work ethic to prove it. In theory, he’s been around NFL caliber players on offense long enough that he could make the transition to some sort of Slash type role, where he has his own package of receiving routes, end arounds, and the occassional one read option throw on trick plays.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
*Loses in Madden 13*
“I outgained you though!!!!”….
December 18th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Zymurge Says:
The Raiders just beat the Chefs with a mere 18 points.
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I think it was actually 15 points. But the Patriots have an average 13 point differential per game. Denver’s and SF’s are both less than 10 per game. So I’m not exactly sure why you would think an 18 point margin of victory is “mere”.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
*99 yard drive ends in fumble*
“How many points did we get?”…. *Blank stare*
December 18th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-truths-that-will-make-you-better-person/
For those of you who cant seem to figure it out
Its really a great article
December 18th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
974.Zymurge Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
lol palmer has 19 turnovers in 14 games this year
he has 37 turnovers in 37 games as a raider
yes that means he is a turn over machine
easy math
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Then let’s move onto harder math. Ever hear of “normalization”?
Not even looking into fumbles, based on all the peers that I listed above and adding a few names like Stafford and Ryan, they are all at or above a turnover per game. I guess that means that the majority of the top QBs in the game are turnover machines. And I’m prety sure that not a single one of them would opt to swap places with Palmer in Oakland’s chaos. So relative to his peers, Palmer is an elite QB.
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Brett Favre had 336 int’s in 298 games played. That isn’t even counting his fumbles.
He’s a 1st ballot hall of famer in case you didn’t know.
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lol I dont have to come back with it you said it on your own.
Only an idiot would compare farve and palmer. Just thoese idioits compared palmer and maning and so on.
for the record i dont have farve in my top 10 qbs list mainly because of the turn overs. frave had teams good enough to win but his ints were the final plays in many of his playoff runs.
so besides all of your over emotional out pour to garner sympathy for poor palmer he is in fact the man with a disastrous 8-15 record and 37 turn overs. He does not get any sympathy and that does not make anyone a hater. this only means an inteligent fan wants more from a 10 year vet that was heralded by the savior.
did farve have a run of ineptitude like this? better question , how does what frave did impact how carson is viewed here in any way shape or form?
December 18th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
If Reggie knew all he needed to know about Pryor, he wouldn’t be saying he needs to see what he has in a game.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Outscoring you opponent… Hmm…sounds like point differential.. LOL..
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Syntactically, they ultimately mean the same thing. But semantically, they imply different strategies. Or more accurate, point differential is an end goal of any strategy. “Outscoring” semantically infers a defenseless approach to scoring more than the other guy, as if you were bowling.
A focus on outscoring describes arena football, where defense is usually an afterthought and the strategy of the game is more about who gets the last possession and the chance to put the final points on the board.
Anyone that singles out the QB play and their failure to outscore the opponent as the team’s downfall is mired in this singular strategy and fails to recognize that a majority of Super Bowl champions were top defensive teams first and foremost with decent enough offenses.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Umm..
Score more points than the other team, any way you can.
End of story.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
QB is the single most important position on the field.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
i am floored i cant beleive that there are actaully people that live on earth that are still making excuses for carson?!?!?!
HE SUCKS OUT LOUD!!!!
win loss record and turnovers tell the story
8-15 37 turnovers
he hasnt sniffed the playoffs
He tucked tail and crapped his pants in the vs cincy, and could muster a td vs the cheifs?!?!?!
Allen knapp and the knuckle headed blog bots can have him.
As long as he is the qb the curse of the collar bone will live on
book it!!
December 18th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
If Reggie knew all he needed to know about Pryor, he wouldn’t be saying he needs to see what he has in a game.
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More proof your fatass never played sports.
Metamucil, old man.
Stick with what you know.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
If Reggie knew all he needed to know about Pryor, he wouldn’t be saying he needs to see what he has in a game.
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That’s only a part of the equation. Reggie also knows about things like ticket sales, television revenues, trade values and so forth. By teasing to play Pryor for several games, and then only allowing him small windows of opportunity, he spanning the thin line between keeping viewers coming back in a lost season and not diminishing Pryor’s trade value by creating too much film of him failing.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
i am floored i cant beleive that there are actaully people that live on earth that are still making excuses for carson?!?!?!
HE SUCKS OUT LOUD!!!!
win loss record and turnovers tell the story
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Except when you’re discussing Cam or other qb’s? Then it’s stats.
Convenient.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
I guarantee that the team who scores more points will win, every time.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
The worst thing to happen to the QB position was doing away with the young QB sitting for 2-3 years to learn.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Here’s a question for you racist scumbags.
How’s it feel stating CP sucks, that he’s horrible, that he shouldn’t be behind center, and then realizing TP is not only not good enough to back him up, but instead is 3rd on the charts?
Gotta sting, lol.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
It says a lot that your #1 receiver is an undrafted rookie. Get some ball catchers in there!!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
1086.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
I guarantee that the team who scores more points will win, every time.
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FLAG! Excessive Celebration
December 18th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
QB is the single most important position on the field.
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LMAO.
Gee, really?
Thanks Mr. Obvious.
did you come up with that on your own?
told you, geezer, stick to bingo and taking your meds.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
1090
LMAO
December 18th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
This was a good read.
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1079.Zymurge Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Outscoring you opponent… Hmm…sounds like point differential.. LOL..
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Syntactically, they ultimately mean the same thing. But semantically, they imply different strategies. Or more accurate, point differential is an end goal of any strategy. “Outscoring” semantically infers a defenseless approach to scoring more than the other guy, as if you were bowling.
A focus on outscoring describes arena football, where defense is usually an afterthought and the strategy of the game is more about who gets the last possession and the chance to put the final points on the board.
Anyone that singles out the QB play and their failure to outscore the opponent as the team’s downfall is mired in this singular strategy and fails to recognize that a majority of Super Bowl champions were top defensive teams first and foremost with decent enough offenses.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
1086.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
I guarantee that the team who scores more points will win, every time.
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FLAG! Excessive Celebration
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Dangit!..
December 18th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
for the record i dont have farve in my top 10 qbs list mainly because of the turn overs. frave had teams good enough to win but his ints were the final plays in many of his playoff runs.
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But I’m sure the following are in that top 10:
- Moon
- McNair
- Cunningham
- Culpepper
- McNabb
- Wilson (Doug of course)
- RGIII
- Newton
- Campbell
- I’m debating whether you’d go with Aaron Brooks or the young up and comer Russell Wilson in the 10 spot
And of course knocking on the door to greatness:
- Pryor
December 18th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Ghosttoothepost
Its “Ghosttothepost, dumbass troll. Lol. Damn!
December 18th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Mitt Romney Campaign: We Will Not ‘Be Dictated By Fact-Checkers’
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/mitt-romney-_n_1836139.html
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That’s where we are today.
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More proof your lazyass just sits and blogs all day.
Losers do that.
Old people do that.
Old losers do that.
Old unemployed losers do that.
Old unemployed sit on their ass all day, doing nothing losers do that.
When was the last time you did a day’s work?
December 18th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Run the ball, and play some tough defense.
I’m down with that.
As long as we sprinkle in some TDs!
December 18th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Ok, I looked at all the Super Bowl winners, and every single time the team who scored the most points won..
December 18th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
In order to get a good look at Pryor as a QB and TE, let’s put him in the Redzone, Bootleg play where he launches the ball up high before the LOS, keeps sprinting and go up an catch his own fade route.
That was for you Supavillain
December 18th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Ghosttoothepost
Its “Ghosttothepost, dumbass troll. Lol. Damn!
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When I signed up, couple years ago, someone else already was using Ghosttothepost, Old Fart. So I added to it, considering I post under that handle elsewhere.
Hey, why don’t you post more “Old Man Wisdom” for us, fatass?
You know “10 pts is better than 9 pts”.
Revelations like that, fat boy.
go for it.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
1099.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Ok, I looked at all the Super Bowl winners, and every single time the team who scored the most points won..
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Wrong, the team who allows the fewest points wins the game.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
1099.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Ok, I looked at all the Super Bowl winners, and every single time the team who scored the most points won..
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Wrong, the team who allows the fewest points wins the game.
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*Stares at screen*
December 18th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Oh snap. Looks like lots of old geezer posts were pulled up last night, Koolkell, showing you to be even dumber than I thought.
turns out you’re a HUGE Reggie fan?
And now, you being a sheep, have switched, because you were told to?
is that like when your wife tells you what she expects for dinner? When to go shopping? How she wants you to fold her clothes after you do laundry?
Never met a more pathetic joke of a man, in my life.
That’s no lie.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Never met a more pathetic joke of a man, in my life.
That’s no lie.
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Well, you never met me either. Lol.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Never met a more pathetic joke of a man, in my life.
That’s no lie.
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Well, you never met me either. Lol.
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“Oh my!! vicious jab from Kell!!..”
December 18th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Never met a more pathetic joke of a man, in my life.
That’s no lie.
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Ok Repost: Well you’ve never met me either. Lol.
December 18th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Fire reggie! Fire Da! Trade palmer!
December 18th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Here’s a question for you racist scumbags.
How’s it feel stating CP sucks, that he’s horrible, that he shouldn’t be behind center, and then realizing TP is not only not good enough to back him up, but instead is 3rd on the charts?
Gotta sting, lol.
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See post #1035
December 18th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Fire reggie! Fire Da! Trade palmer!
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Zzzzzz…
December 18th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
i am floored i cant beleive that there are actaully people that live on earth that are still making excuses for carson?!?!?!
HE SUCKS OUT LOUD!!!!
win loss record and turnovers tell the story
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Except when you’re discussing Cam or other qb’s? Then it’s stats.
Convenient.
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ghost do you expect andrew luck to be as good as peyton mannning?
I wouldnt, because manning is a 10 year vet and luck is new to the nfl.
Clearly luck isnt as good as peyton at this stage of his career, should he be penalized for his inexperience?
I wouldnt, that wouldnt be a fair comparison.
so why then should anyone compare palmer a 10 year vet to newton rgiii or wilson?
I wouldnt it isnt fair, but since you did lets take a look.
Palmer 8-16 36 tds 37 turn overs
newton 11-19 60 tds 32 turn overs
r wilson 9-5 24 tds 12 turn overs
rgIII 8-5 24 tds 6 turn overs
so as you can plainly see palmer couldnt carry these dudes jock strap on a fork lift
And it should be the other way around as none of the guys i lusted have been in the nfl for even 2 full seasons.
LOL that was too easy
December 18th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
I say we offer DMAC to J.Jones for a 2nd so he thinks he can relive the Razorback days of yor….
December 18th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
BOKNOWS Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
I say we offer DMAC to J.Jones for a 2nd so he thinks he can relive the Razorback days of yor….
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Conditional 4th round is the highest we could get.
No market for RBs.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Pryor handed the ball off twice before throwing an incomplete pass. The drive started with a false-start penalty. Pryor jogged off the field, his day done.
“It was a steppingstone,” he said. “I enjoyed the four plays. I was excited to get out there. I only saw four plays. Not much to pick apart. I’ll be ready in practice next week.”
The 4-10 Raiders are well out of playoff consideration, but coach Dennis Allen wouldn’t say if Pryor will get more playing time in Oakland’s final two games.
“We’ve got a little bit of an idea of what we have in him,” Allen said. “I’d like to get him into games more often, but again, I’m letting game situations dictate who plays. … This isn’t just put everybody in and let them go.
“We want to see him work, just like we do all the young guys, but we’re trying to win football games.”
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allen admitting that he is placing the premium on winning the games as opposed to developing layers or evaluating them in game situations.
This along with failing to increase pryors practice reps is what i thought it was from the start.
Allen has an agenda and it is not conducive to the raiders getting ahead of the curve going into next year.
It is a selfish last ditch win now strategy to try and strengthen his own position.
This is folly,a s beating the cheifs with 5 filed goals will not garner alen the lee way or rope he seeks. Inn fcat it makes him insubordinate as he was told that his boss wanted to see pryor play.
LOl a blow out loss in carolina could mean the end for allen, and i cant wait.
FIRE ALLENS AZZ YESTERDAY!!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
DAV, I noticed you like a pair of Oregon guys: Jordan, Long…..
What do you think of Kenjon Barner? He’s a Zone guy. He’d fit right in.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Just when I get ready to accept losing DMAC……He has a game like Sunday. He didn’t light the world on fire but, it was probably his best game this year. Punishing guys, smashing “would-be” tacklers to the ground, making good cuts, accelerating at the right times. He looked like he was back….Not the “Step outta bounds, or lay down” stuff he was pulling earlier this year.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
2013 Raiders Offense:
QB – Palmer/Leinart/Pryor
RB – DMC/Goodson/Stewart
FB – Reece/Olawale
WR – Streater/Criner
WR – Moore/Ford
TE – Myers/Ausberry
LT – Veldheer
LG – Nix/Bergstrom
C – Wiz/Parsons
RG – Brisiel
RT – DRAFT PICK/FA
December 18th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger expressed some displeasure with the offensive play calling after Sunday’s 27-24 loss to the Cowboys, creating fears of dysfunction on the offense as the team moves into a game it must win to make the playoffs this season.
Coach Mike Tomlin was asked about Roethlisberger’s postgame comments during his Tuesday press conference and did his best to bury worries about a disconnect between his quarterback and offensive coordinator Todd Haley. Tomlin chalked up Roethlisberger’s comments to frustration after a loss and said that everyone is still pulling in the same direction in Pittsburgh.
“I met with Ben yesterday. He’s ready to move forward and he’s on board with what we’re doing,” Tomlin said, via Aditi Kinkhabwala of NFL.com.
If this were the first negative comment from Roethlisberger about the offense, it would be a bit easier to accept that it was just frustration boiling over. There have been other utterances from Roethlisberger casting doubt on what the Steelers are doing offensively, though, and that suggests something more at play.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/18/tomlin-roethlisberger-on-board-with-offense/
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No controversy at all here though.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
IM OUT
FREE TP6!!!!
FREE ROB PARKER!!!!
FIRE ALLEN!!!!
PEACE
December 18th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
DAV, I noticed you like a pair of Oregon guys: Jordan, Long…..
What do you think of Kenjon Barner? He’s a Zone guy. He’d fit right in.
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I’d love to get him, just dont see a reason to take a RB in the first 3 rounds.. Next year, I can see it, not this draft.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
But im getting Stefphon Jefferson if im getting a RB in this draft..
December 18th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
1-Dion Jordan [DE/OLB]
2-Corey Lemonier [DE/OLB]
3-Kyle Long [RT]
4-Tyrann Mathieu [DB/KR]
December 18th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Yeah, Jefferson is solid, and I’d be surprized if Barner made it out of the second round.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
“The Black Mamba” could be available next year though.
Hmmmm….
December 18th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
“The Black Mamba” could be available next year though.
Hmmmm….
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Solve all our return man problems for sure LOL..
That would be sick.. The Black Mamba in the Black Hole..
December 18th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Clock out time fellas..
Raider on & God Bless..
December 18th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
11.alex7 Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
How are the Chiefs doing with all those 1st round picks on the O and D-line?
lol
QB league, baby.
^^^^^^^^
Yep. Drafting OLine and DLine early within the top 5 picks does not equal success either.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
allen admitting that he is placing the premium on winning the games as opposed to developing layers or evaluating them in game situations.
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Yup, exact same thing Al Davis would do.
Or did you miss the end of 2008 when Jamarcus sat behind Charlie Frye?
December 18th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
1121.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
But im getting Stefphon Jefferson if im getting a RB in this draft..
^^^^^^^
Love Johnsons game, but they don’t run the ZBS as the primary blocking scheme at Stanford.
Knapp and Pollacks whacked coaching will ruin the kid.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
1122.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
1-Dion Jordan [DE/OLB]
2-Corey Lemonier [DE/OLB]
3-Kyle Long [RT]
4-Tyrann Mathieu [DB/KR]
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A nice scenario if McK trades down to to the mid teens in the 1st round.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
The Raiders had off today as well?
December 18th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Sorry….2009
December 18th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
1131.MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
The Raiders had off today as well?
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No they practiced, it’s barely 3:40, Corkran is barley waking up and fixing his cereal.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
allen admitting that he is placing the premium on winning the games as opposed to developing layers or evaluating them in game situations.
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Yup, exact same thing Al Davis would do.
Or did you miss the end of 2008 when Jamarcus sat behind Charlie Frye?
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what is your point?
allen has an agenda and i have exposed it, after predicting it in the first place.
what happened in 2008 with davis is irrelavnt
December 18th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Drafting OLine and DLine early within the top 5 picks does not equal success either.
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Want to cite an example of a team investing a bunch of top 5 picks in the line and them being any good?
Chiefs have, they stink.
Browns have, they stink.
Dolphins have, they stink.
Jets did, were good for a minute, and now stink.
Get a QB, and you can win a Super Bowl with 5th and 6th round LT’s like the Steelers, Saints and Colts did.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
what is your point?
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That this is business as usual in Oakland.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
1133
Bahahaha.
I need some news, man! I’m readying my veins for my fix!
December 18th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
LOL at “exposing an agenda”.
Who are you Ed Bradley?
The agenda is to win football games. When Pryor can help do so, he will play more.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Some of you guys must think this is the NBA?
NFL teams do not tank games. I agree a handful of players might check out when out of contention, but the way teams get better in the NFL is to have success and win ball games.
You never start TP to see what he can do, you can see that in the 4 plays that he did play.
His first pass was a 8 yd. abomination for christ’s sake?
December 18th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
allen has an agenda and i have exposed it, after predicting it in the first place.
_________________________________________________________
Well what are you going to do about it?
I suggest you get one of those large sandwich boards and a megaphone and take to the streets of Oakland exposing the truth to the people!
Remember: Don’t ask what the Nation can do for you, but what can you do for the Nation!
December 18th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
I bet there’s a lot of players on 4-10 teams worried about injuries right now. This is a business. Now, the young players on the other hand are dying to play.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Ahhh FML it’s only tuesday. I thought it was Wed. There is no practice today. DA thought they did such a good job he decided to give them two days rest.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
When you have an Andrew Luck in the draft, or another top flight QB (ONLY) prospect as a sure-fire #1, then maybe you give the vet that will return next year an extra week off or so.
No such player in this draft. Good chance the 7th pick will be better then the 4th pick in the draft.
Win football games. That’s what Al would do.
If Charlie Frye and Bruce Gradkowski give you a better chance to win a meaningless December game, you sit your #1 overall pick and go try to win the football game.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
allen has an agenda and i have exposed it, after predicting it in the first place.
_________________________________________________________
Well what are you going to do about it?
I suggest you get one of those large sandwich boards and a megaphone and take to the streets of Oakland exposing the truth to the people!
Remember: Don’t ask what the Nation can do for you, but what can you do for the Nation!
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ill just continue to post here like every other poster
December 18th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
allen has an agenda and i have exposed it, after predicting it in the first place.
_________________________________________________________
Well what are you going to do about it?
I suggest you get one of those large sandwich boards and a megaphone and take to the streets of Oakland exposing the truth to the people!
Remember: Don’t ask what the Nation can do for you, but what can you do for the Nation!
—
“Religion is a snare and a racket”
-Charles Taze Rusell.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Well what are you going to do about it?
I suggest you get one of those large sandwich boards and a megaphone and take to the streets of Oakland exposing the truth to the people!
Remember: Don’t ask what the Nation can do for you, but what can you do for the Nation!
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Well, I live around the corner from HQ. I know sign makers here. If Knapp comes back……………………
December 18th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
The agenda around here is for some to come on and predict this or that, and then when the 1 out of 100 predictions comes true, they come back and say,”I told you so.”
Everybody on here has been right and wrong on Raiders related issues.
Is it a must to try and rub someone’s nose in it?
December 18th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
peace
FREE TP6!!!!
FREE ROB PARKER!!!!
FIRE ALLEN!!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
The best way Pryor can help this offense, is in the red zone.
See below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrZYZktLdns
December 18th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Ahhh FML it’s only tuesday. I thought it was Wed. There is no practice today. DA thought they did such a good job he decided to give them two days rest.
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You think maybe he’s trying to get the team on his side with there being some doubt as to his future?
Doesn’t hurt to have the support of the players to help make your case.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
“Religion is a snare and a racket”
-Charles Taze Rusell.
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What are you, a JW? LOL
December 18th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
I think Knapp will get “promoted” to Senior Assistant Advisor Consultant and Saunders will be let go. We’ll hire someone more creative with the same schemes.
December 18th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Kell knows “sign makers”, lol.
Do you know the kids that spin them around and flip them up in the air on street corners as well?
December 18th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
I think our qb coach is being looked at for a college position, so maybe knapp moves to qb coach….which is what he was in Houston.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Is it just me, or is this Mistic guy a delusional idiot?
Secret agendas? Conspiracies?
Please….
Go watch X files reruns or something.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
I think Knapp will get “promoted” to Senior Assistant Advisor Consultant and Saunders will be let go. We’ll hire someone more creative with the same schemes.
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Does that include a continued insistence on throwing the ball in front of the stick on 3rd down? Because that drives me crazy.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
1150.DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Ahhh FML it’s only tuesday. I thought it was Wed. There is no practice today. DA thought they did such a good job he decided to give them two days rest.
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You think maybe he’s trying to get the team on his side with there being some doubt as to his future?
Doesn’t hurt to have the support of the players to help make your case.
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Hope not, his job is to prepare this team for Cam Newton and the Panthers. An extra day off when they just came off 8 days off isn’t going to help
December 18th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
1153
lmao
I’ve had some good laughs on here today. You guys are awesome…uhh, some of you.
Thanks!
December 18th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
1152.MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
I think Knapp will get “promoted” to Senior Assistant Advisor Consultant and Saunders will be let go. We’ll hire someone more creative with the same schemes.
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Hope not, i really hate this scheme.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Dennis Allen is doing a good job this year. Yes, Knapp sucks, but Allen will deal with that. The defense is playing much better. Upgrade some positions and the coming year will be much improved.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Mistic says:
a blow out loss in carolina could mean the end for allen, and i cant wait.
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So you’re hoping that the Raiders lose..and get blown out?
I can’t single you out i guess since so many here join u in your wish,
December 18th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Spinnin’ and flippin’ signs lol
December 18th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Dennis Allen is doing a good job this year. Yes, Knapp sucks, but Allen will deal with that. The defense is playing much better.
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I think that’s a stretch. Lol.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
1160.Orthodoxdj Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Dennis Allen is doing a good job this year. Yes, Knapp sucks, but Allen will deal with that. The defense is playing much better. Upgrade some positions and the coming year will be much improved.
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I want what your smoking…outlawed for life
December 18th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
“Religion is a snare and a racket”
-Charles Taze Rusell.
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What are you, a JW? LOL
—
Ahhh. So you know who the Tazemaster is.
Nope. Not a JW but very familiar with them. I have family who are very into it.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Defense has stepped it up quite a bit.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
I have family who are very into it.
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Aren’t they always?
December 18th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Record setting points being set against us but the d is getting better?
Give me a fawqin break!
December 18th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Dakota Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
I think our qb coach is being looked at for a college position, so maybe knapp moves to qb coach….which is what he was in Houston
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That was San Jose State.
He didn’t make the cut.
They hired the guy that followed Jim Harbaugh at San Diego U.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
I don’t mind the scheme. Is it the schemes fault when our running backs that have been productive arent getting sufficient touches?
That’s on Knapp. We’ll never how productive this offense could have been with a decent running game.
If the defense knows you aren’t going to run the ball, my best bet is that the corners line up where the first down marker is on 3rd down and the keep everything in front of them.
Top that off that with our wr’s that can’t get open pass the markers and it’s all shet.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
1166.Raider E Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Defense has stepped it up quite a bit.
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Beating up Brady Quinn isn’t stepping up.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Even McFadden blew his top Sunday with that weak playcalling.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
I don’t mind the scheme. Is it the schemes fault when our running backs that have been productive arent getting sufficient touches?
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It’s the schemes fault when our two best linemen struggle all year long after excelling in a Power scheme.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
What this team needs is a “Lester Hayes” type “beat yo azz” corner who gets in the mind of the best recievers and owns them all day long….
December 18th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Top that off that with our wr’s that can’t get open pass the markers and it’s all shet.
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3rd and 6, and our WR’s can’t get open past the sticks? Really? I don’t believe that excuse for a second.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
1166.Raider E Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Defense has stepped it up quite a bit.
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Beating up Brady Quinn isn’t stepping up.
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They beat up Charles and Hali too, playa….
December 18th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Raider E Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
What this team needs is a “Lester Hayes” type “beat yo azz” corner who gets in the mind of the best recievers and owns them all day long
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Yes, we also need a Jack Tatum saftey, Matt Millen Linebacker, Howie Long linemen, Linclon Kennedy Right Tackle, etc…
December 18th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
LOl a blow out loss in carolina could mean the end for allen, and i cant wait.
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At least you figured out WHERE Pryor, I mean, your supposed TEAM, was playing this Sunday. Baby steps for you, I guess.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
i am floored i cant beleive that there are actaully people that live on earth that are still making excuses for carson?!?!?!
HE SUCKS OUT LOUD!!!!
win loss record and turnovers tell the story
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Except when you’re discussing Cam or other qb’s? Then it’s stats.
Convenient.
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ghost do you expect andrew luck to be as good as peyton mannning?
I wouldnt, because manning is a 10 year vet and luck is new to the nfl.
Clearly luck isnt as good as peyton at this stage of his career, should he be penalized for his inexperience?
I wouldnt, that wouldnt be a fair comparison.
so why then should anyone compare palmer a 10 year vet to newton rgiii or wilson?
I wouldnt it isnt fair, but since you did lets take a look.
Palmer 8-16 36 tds 37 turn overs
newton 11-19 60 tds 32 turn overs
r wilson 9-5 24 tds 12 turn overs
rgIII 8-5 24 tds 6 turn overs
so as you can plainly see palmer couldnt carry these dudes jock strap on a fork lift
And it should be the other way around as none of the guys i lusted have been in the nfl for even 2 full seasons.
LOL that was too easy
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Quit with the idiot act. You know exactly what I’m talking about.
You use won loss records to insult CP. When stats are brought up, you reply with won/loss is what matters.
When someone brings up black qb’s that you insist on drooling over, pointing out the record, you then pull up stats.
You’re a hypocrite.
And rather slow, backasswards, hypocrite.
And yes, that was easy. Too easy.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
1176.Raider E Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
1166.Raider E Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Defense has stepped it up quite a bit.
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Beating up Brady Quinn isn’t stepping up.
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They beat up Charles and Hali too, playa….
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Giving Charles 10 carries when you’re only down FG’s is securing your draft spot. Where was that run defense when SLowshon Moreno put up a 100+ yards week before.
I will give them credit for holding Tamba Hali to 0 catches and 0 rushing yards though.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Judge37,
I say we start with a “molestor” on the corner. It is a passing league….
Your handle says you agree
December 18th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Top that off that with our wr’s that can’t get open pass the markers and it’s all shet.
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3rd and 6, and our WR’s can’t get open past the sticks? Really? I don’t believe that excuse for a second.
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Well, what does it mean if we are piss poor on 3rd down and usually the passes are all going underneath when we are trying to convert?
Palmer needs glasses? Or our WR’s suck? or both?
I guess I don’t know.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Top that off that with our wr’s that can’t get open pass the markers and it’s all shet.
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3rd and 6, and our WR’s can’t get open past the sticks? Really? I don’t believe that excuse for a second.
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See what I mean?
You’re old. You’re forgetful. You can’t remember an hour ago, much less yesterday.
You’ve probably posted a couple of DOZEN times “throws short of the sticks”
Like yesterday you posted a couple dozen times “8 wins is twice as much as 4 wins”.
Pretty much means either you’re a total baffoon, or you’re losing it, and can’t remember anything you previously said. Told you. That’s what my Grandfather does. Exactly. Then, like you, gets pissy when it’s pointed out.
Now is when you do exactly as I said you would.
You have no choice.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
10 carries for Charles says it ain’t working. Defense played well, Judge.
Give them some credit for not just cashing it in.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
i am floored i cant beleive that there are actaully people that live on earth that are still making excuses for carson?!?!?!
HE SUCKS OUT LOUD!!!!
win loss record and turnovers tell the story
========================
Except when you’re discussing Cam or other qb’s? Then it’s stats.
Convenient.
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ghost do you expect andrew luck to be as good as peyton mannning?
I wouldnt, because manning is a 10 year vet and luck is new to the nfl.
Clearly luck isnt as good as peyton at this stage of his career, should he be penalized for his inexperience?
I wouldnt, that wouldnt be a fair comparison.
so why then should anyone compare palmer a 10 year vet to newton rgiii or wilson?
I wouldnt it isnt fair, but since you did lets take a look.
Palmer 8-16 36 tds 37 turn overs
newton 11-19 60 tds 32 turn overs
r wilson 9-5 24 tds 12 turn overs
rgIII 8-5 24 tds 6 turn overs
so as you can plainly see palmer couldnt carry these dudes jock strap on a fork lift
And it should be the other way around as none of the guys i lusted have been in the nfl for even 2 full seasons.
LOL that was too easy
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Quit with the idiot act. You know exactly what I’m talking about.
You use won loss records to insult CP. When stats are brought up, you reply with won/loss is what matters.
When someone brings up black qb’s that you insist on drooling over, pointing out the record, you then pull up stats.
You’re a hypocrite.
And rather slow, backasswards, hypocrite.
And yes, that was easy. Too easy
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ghost it isnt my fualt that all of the qbs i listed are black have more wins and a better td to turn over ratio.
You made the comparison and i showed you why palmer isnt in their class
stop being so color struck and upset about black men playing qb severely out playing your golden haired hero.
If skin color matters so much then it is you with the problem
December 18th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Ghost,
Kell has been a one trick pony for years, you know that?
Love the Gpa reference though lol
December 18th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
1184.Raider E Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
10 carries for Charles says it ain’t working. Defense played well, Judge.
Give them some credit for not just cashing it in.
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If they can hold Cam and Williams this week, then yes i’ll give them credit. But the Chiefs suck way too hard to start thinking we’re headed in the right direction.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Mistic says:
a blow out loss in carolina could mean the end for allen, and i cant wait.
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So you’re hoping that the Raiders lose..and get blown out?
I can’t single you out i guess since so many here join u in your wish,
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you must not have the ability to understand or comprehend my post in its entirety.
Actually within the context of my post ‘I cant wait” refers to allen being fired
December 18th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Mistic,
You must admit Pryor’s one and only pass Sunday was, as you might say, “SUCKED OUT LOUD.”
Btw, show that kid the wastebasket for his chewing gum….
December 18th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
I have family who are very into it.
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Aren’t they always?
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Yes….ALWAYS.
I’ve been hearing of the evils of the xmas season from them.
They have valid points as far as it not being Jesus’ b-day and that it’s commercial etc. but they take everything way too serious. Imo.
Nice people though.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
stablersbeard Says:
Is it just me, or is this Mistic guy a delusional idiot?
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After a Raider loss in which Pryor didn’t play (all of them) watching Miss Tick meltdown makes me feel better. After a win in which Pryor might as well not have played, the meltdown isjust icing on the cake.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
And while yes i’d love to get back to playing lock down press coverage. I’m tired of getting burned in the running game. We need run stuffers.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Fair enough, Judge….
December 18th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
1135.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Drafting OLine and DLine early within the top 5 picks does not equal success either.
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Want to cite an example of a team investing a bunch of top 5 picks in the line and them being any good?
Chiefs have, they stink.
Browns have, they stink.
Dolphins have, they stink.
Jets did, were good for a minute, and now stink.
Get a QB, and you can win a Super Bowl with 5th and 6th round LT’s like the Steelers, Saints and Colts did.
^^^^^^^^
It’s all about good coaching, game planning and coaches being able to put their players in positions to win matchups and utilize their strengths.
Forcing square pegs into round holes doesn’t work.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Raider E Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Mistic,
You must admit Pryor’s one and only pass Sunday was, as you might say, “SUCKED OUT LOUD.”
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disagree
he dropped back everyone was covered, he found single coverage on his wr and threw the ball low where only his wr had a chance to make a play on it.
sorry but im willing to give pryor more than one pass attempt before writing him out.
you are free to do so if you like.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
If they can hold Cam and Williams this week, then yes i’ll give them credit. But the Chiefs suck way too hard to start thinking we’re headed in the right direction.
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Agree.
Beating the Chiefs provides no measure of progress.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
allen has an agenda and i have exposed it, after predicting it in the first place.
_________________________________________________________
Well what are you going to do about it?
I suggest you get one of those large sandwich boards and a megaphone and take to the streets of Oakland exposing the truth to the people!
Remember: Don’t ask what the Nation can do for you, but what can you do for the Nation!
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nice one Dutch!!
December 18th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Al Davis would be ashamed of everyone of you idiots hoping for a loss.
Al would have rooted for a win, and then fired the coach anyways, lol.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
i want a win and for reggie and da to pack each others bags!
December 18th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Drafting OLine and DLine early within the top 5 picks does not equal success either.
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Want to cite an example of a team investing a bunch of top 5 picks in the line and them being any good?
Chiefs have, they stink.
Browns have, they stink.
Dolphins have, they stink.
Jets did, were good for a minute, and now stink.
Get a QB, and you can win a Super Bowl with 5th and 6th round LT’s like the Steelers, Saints and Colts did.
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Nobody ever said you dont need a good qb to win but you do need a good oline to keep that qb healthy for any long period of time. Pitt won its SB’s on D, the saints have always featured a good oline and so have the colts until recently. the teams named above have fortified their olines and now just need a good qb to throw in there and the last time I checked its not easy to come across a franchise qb. Peyton Mannings and Aaron Rodgers dont come around very often and you are lucky to find one as we as Raider fans should know, how long have we been trying to replace Gannon? or even worse how long has Mia been trying to replace Marino? Some teams luck up as the 9ers did with Montana to Young GB with Favre to Rodgers and Indy with Manning to Luck. With every other team it has been a pretty tough struggle. When is the last time the Browns had a Franchise QB? Bernie Kosar? It took the Giants forever to replace Simms and Seattle had been looking forever same as the Redskins, even Denver had been trying to replace Elway and lucked up and signed Manning but where will they be when he retires?
I said all that to say you might as well fortify your O and D lines because there is no guaranteeing that that qb you draft will pan out see the Jets and many other teams for that matter. But if you have a solid O and D line you can still have some success with an avg QB. The 9ers did it last year and the Vikings are doing it this year. Hell Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won SB’s. The game is won in the trenches and most experts and football minds will tell you the same. BTW how is Pitt and Chi looking now with those garbage olines.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
murphy will have a td this week…
December 18th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
That would be sick.. The Black Mamba in the Black Hole..
Did you forget how that ended up the last time THE BLACK MAMBA was in the Black hole…Almost found guilty…
December 18th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
and threw the ball low where only his wr had a chance to make a play on it.
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The only way the WR “had a chance” at that ball is if he was Landon Donovan.
Seemed like DHB anticipated a gawd awful throw in advance and gave minimal effort as well.
Boy that would have been great to watch for 60 minutes!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
you must not have the ability to understand or comprehend my post in its entirety.
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Did we understand or comprehend that part of your first post after the game(one day after) where you said you were done with this team? Why are you here? On a Raiders blog? Won’t you please be done with this team? For your own sanity, if it’s not too late?
December 18th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Al Davis would be ashamed of everyone of you idiots hoping for a loss.
Al would have rooted for a win, and then fired the coach anyways, lol.
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lol…no kidding.
I’ve thought that 3-13 would be best as far as draft position and assets were concerned, and said it would be best if we ended up there.
However once the KC game started ALL of that went out the window. lol
December 18th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
1135.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Drafting OLine and DLine early within the top 5 picks does not equal success either.
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Want to cite an example of a team investing a bunch of top 5 picks in the line and them being any good?
Chiefs have, they stink.
Browns have, they stink.
Dolphins have, they stink.
Jets did, were good for a minute, and now stink.
Get a QB, and you can win a Super Bowl with 5th and 6th round LT’s like the Steelers, Saints and Colts did.
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It’s all about good coaching, game planning and coaches being able to put their players in positions to win matchups and utilize their strengths.
Forcing square pegs into round holes doesn’t work.
Along with having a good QB of course.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
BTW how is Pitt and Chi looking now with those garbage olines.
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A lot better than teams like the Browns and Chiefs who invested all their first round picks in the lines.
Every position is important. We learned the backup LS is important.
But you can win with below average O-lines. It has been proven and done.
D-line, not so much. You need quality there.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
Al Davis would be ashamed of everyone of you idiots hoping for a loss.
Al would have rooted for a win, and then fired the coach anyways, lol.
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At halftime if we’re up by 17.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
1205.RaiderLen Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Al Davis would be ashamed of everyone of you idiots hoping for a loss.
Al would have rooted for a win, and then fired the coach anyways, lol.
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lol…no kidding.
I’ve thought that 3-13 would be best as far as draft position and assets were concerned, and said it would be best if we ended up there.
However once the KC game started ALL of that went out the window. lol
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Yeah the Hue haters and Mark Davis say Hue and his 8-8 record was not good enough??
Hmm…..but a 4 win Raider team is good enough huh?
LOL! Hypocrisy at it’s finest.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
1207.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
BTW how is Pitt and Chi looking now with those garbage olines.
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A lot better than teams like the Browns and Chiefs who invested all their first round picks in the lines.
Every position is important. We learned the backup LS is important.
But you can win with below average O-lines. It has been proven and done.
D-line, not so much. You need quality there.
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Baltimore won with a great defense, Great o-line and mediocre QB.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
QB is not the most important position in FOOTBALL, it is the most important position IN ALL OF SPORTS.
Anyone with half a brain knows this.
But hey, we can grab a #1 overall LT, #1 pick at C, top 5 pick at RB, and still be 24th in the league in scorling like the Browns!!!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Baltimore won with a great defense, Great o-line and mediocre QB.
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Different rules today, in case you haven’t been watching.
That Ravens team would get called for 8 personal fouls for hitting WR’s if they played this weekend.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Mystic only roots for his prophecy to be fulfilled….
It’s a f*cking “LEGACY”
December 18th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
QB is not the most important position in FOOTBALL, it is the most important position IN ALL OF SPORTS.
Anyone with half a brain knows this.
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You knew Romney would win too, didn’t you? What half of brain were you working with? Lol.
Romney & Knapp are fabulous aren’t they?
December 18th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
You can also have a 6th rounder at QB and 10-4 lol
December 18th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
QB is not the most important position in FOOTBALL, it is the most important position IN ALL OF SPORTS.
Anyone with half a brain knows this.
But hey, we can grab a #1 overall LT, #1 pick at C, top 5 pick at RB, and still be 24th in the league in scorling like the Browns!!!!!
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So with our 1st rnd pick this year, what position do you draft? Assuming it will be top 7.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
BTW how is Pitt and Chi looking now with those garbage olines.
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A lot better than teams like the Browns and Chiefs who invested all their first round picks in the lines.
Every position is important. We learned the backup LS is important.
But you can win with below average O-lines. It has been proven and done.
D-line, not so much. You need quality there.
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Pitt is the only team I recall winning it all with an avg Oline and they won beacuse of D, now that that D is starting to age and Ben is behind that garbage oline(they did pick pouncey) he is a walking injury of late and it will only get worse if they dont address it same goes for the bears they also have an above avg D but the qb keeps getting hurt, garbage oline play. I guarantee if you put a good qb behind that Cle oline or Mia oline, look out, because thats all their missing.
December 18th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
1212.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Baltimore won with a great defense, Great o-line and mediocre QB.
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Different rules today, in case you haven’t been watching.
That Ravens team would get called for 8 personal fouls for hitting WR’s if they played this weekend.
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Damm it wasn’t in the 70’s when they won.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Build the core from the inside out.
Hope that you can find an elite QB.
Somewhere.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
So with our 1st rnd pick this year, what position do you draft? Assuming it will be top 7.
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I am a value guy.
Whatever position he plays, he has to be the #1 or #2 at worst prospect at his position.
So to me, the #1 rated DB or S is more valuable than the #3 rated DE or LT.
But sorry, haven’t amassed my draft board yet. Believe me, in due time, I will have my pick, and post it 18,000 times.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
QB is not the most important position in FOOTBALL, it is the most important position IN ALL OF SPORTS.
Anyone with half a brain knows this.
But hey, we can grab a #1 overall LT, #1 pick at C, top 5 pick at RB, and still be 24th in the league in scorling like the Browns!!!!!
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Thats all the Browns are missing is a Qb and you must be the guy with half a brain because obviously yo think franchise qb’s grow on trees. how did Tim Couch work out for the Browns.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
1212.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Baltimore won with a great defense, Great o-line and mediocre QB.
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Different rules today, in case you haven’t been watching.
That Ravens team would get called for 8 personal fouls for hitting WR’s if they played this weekend.
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How about the Vikings? They seem to be winning on the back of AP? Ponder is anything special…
December 18th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
It really just takes a good team. But so far, best defenses have won.
Defense > QB
December 18th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Different rules today, in case you haven’t been watching.
That Ravens team would get called for 8 personal fouls for hitting WR’s if they played this weekend.
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CB’s can still jam WR’s at the line and disrupt routes, but these “soft azz” CB’s these days do’t do it?
Scared of getting toasted. I agree, different game with speedsters playing CB, not big physical in your face corners.
You can say all you want about the ability and size of the WR’s these days, but that’s just an excuse.
No one ever puts lays the wood to Lebron in the paint cuase they are scared?
Except, of course, if your name is David Lee.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
That Ravens team won the Super Bowl, then missed the playoffs 4 of the next 7 years BTW.
Elite everything and all.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
749.2romes Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:47 am
I wish Mark,Reggie and DA made that loud and clear that they did not expect to be competive this year. I would have definitely held on to my money until they thought they were going to be competitive. Did you here that they were not interested in this year? When?
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That is not something that they cannot say, because the intentions of all teams is to compete, they had no idea it would be this bad.
That is why DA’s job is in jeopardy, Mark Davis will not tolerate any further regression (which is the more likely scenerio)which I do not believe that we will win either of the last 2 games. They could have said “rebuilding year” but just how well would that resonate amongst fans, and people paying for season tickets and so forth?
1st mistake: Firing Hue,when all we needed to do was upgrade DC,LB’s and CB’s on Defense.
2nd mistake: Hiring DA, who had a 20th ranked Broncos Def.
3rd mistake: DA rehiring Knapp for our OC.
4th mistake: DA hiring Tarver for our DC from Stanford—By the way, How good were Stanfords defenses?
Were they reknowned for there Defense, ever?
5th mistake: Raiders organization believing that the players would buy into this flim-flam, in this CRAPP-STAFF. Coaching is about putting your players into the best positions to make plays to win, and complementing the players. When you lose your players thats all she rotes.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
So with our 1st rnd pick this year, what position do you draft? Assuming it will be top 7.
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I am a value guy.
Whatever position he plays, he has to be the #1 or #2 at worst prospect at his position.
So to me, the #1 rated DB or S is more valuable than the #3 rated DE or LT.
But sorry, haven’t amassed my draft board yet. Believe me, in due time, I will have my pick, and post it 18,000 times.
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I’m into value as well, having said that maybe the #3 DE is better value then the #1 CB or safety.
Depends upon the depth of talent at specific positions in a given year.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Reggie say’s He’s a BPA guy.
We’ll find out in April.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Ravens won one playoff game in 7 years, and missed the playoffs 4 of 7 seasons until Joe Flacco rolled into town.
Since then, never missed the playoffs, never didn’t win at least one playoff game a year.
And the defense has been getting worse.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
4) Oakland Raiders
There is a very realistic chance that Greg Knapp is one-and-done as the Raiders’ offensive coordinator. If Knapp is out, there is no way a new coach with a fresh set of eyes can look at Carson Palmer as a viable quarterback.
Even if Knapp comes back next season, coach Dennis Allen must cut the cord with Palmer. He’s too interception-prone. He’s not a winner. Oakland needs a new stopgap (think Stanton, Kyle Orton or, dare I say, Jason Campbell?) and a young quarterback for the future. Depending on who is the offensive coordinator, I would call Seattle to try to make a trade for Flynn.
Allen gave Terrelle Pryor some snaps last week, and he said on the SiriusXM Blitz to expect to see more “Pryor packages” down the stretch. However, Pryor was drafted by the old brass, so there’s a realistic chance he’s a future ex-Raider.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000113359/article/mark-sanchez-has-new-york-jets-among-teams-needing-new-qb
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Schein can be pretty funny. Don’t worry Palmer worshipers, he kills just about everyone in here.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
How about the Vikings? They seem to be winning on the back of AP? Ponder is anything special…
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Great point.
Great defense, the greatest season from a RB EVER, crappy QB, probably no playoffs.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Ray Rice helps.
Ask Flacco to chuck it 40 or 50 times a game and the circumstance is different.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
It takes a whole lot of things to be a good team, QB, Oline, Dline, LB’s, Db’s, Coaches, etc…
All things that we are far away from.
FML!
December 18th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
How about the Vikings? They seem to be winning on the back of AP? Ponder is anything special…
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Great point.
Great defense, the greatest season from a RB EVER, crappy QB, probably no playoffs.
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OUCH!!
December 18th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
1207.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
BTW how is Pitt and Chi looking now with those garbage olines.
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A lot better than teams like the Browns and Chiefs who invested all their first round picks in the lines.
Every position is important. We learned the backup LS is important.
But you can win with below average O-lines. It has been proven and done.
D-line, not so much. You need quality there.
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Baltimore won with a great defense, Great o-line and mediocre QB.
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Yep, and the Giants did it TWICE!
December 18th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Fox built his team around the QB. We built ours around a pipe dream. Embrace the misery.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Ray Rice helps.
Ask Flacco to chuck it 40 or 50 times a game and the circumstance is different.
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Want to like Flacco. Elite skill set. But something is missing. The supporting cast on O and playcalling isn’t an excuse anymore.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
We have so many holes, I wouldn’t be mad if we picked a player in the first round at any position.
But drafting a stud G or LT is a move for the future years. Tabbing an impact DE, S or WR in the top 10 will reap benefits next September and beyond.
The last team to start a Super Bowl with a LT they drafted in the first round, was Seattle and Walter Jones I believe. Before that?? Not sure.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Seahawks a couple yrs ago also are another team with a good line and RB with mediocre QB. They just ran into a good defense.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
The more I think of it the more I hate the “wave of the future” safety rules….
Todays game kinda sucks….
December 18th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Fox is one heck of a coach. I thought the mules were screwed for years after bellecheats boy left.
They were royally screwed and somehow they came out smelling like roses. Manning has played a huge part nut theres lots more to the team
December 18th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
LOL at the New York Giants having a great O-line.
They were dead last in rushing last season. Worst yards per carry in the NFL in 3 years.
Great WR’s though!!!! World-class D-line and QB.
That’s what I see winning these days. Pitt won with Santonio Holmes (1st round pick) saving their bacon from blowing it against another great WR (Fitz) defensively.
Giants with so many WR’s they didn’t know what to do with it. Great pass rushers. Bunch of schlepps on the O-line.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
RaiderLen Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Build the core from the inside out.
Hope that you can find an elite QB.
Somewhere.
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We had the personel to build from the inside out. Except the coaching staff decided to force feed a scheme upon players that had no need to fit the scheme. They already had time under their belts and did not need to be re-trained. That was a bad move on the coaches part. The record speaks for itself. Misery and woe has begotten this team. But get good with it because it will be here next year too.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Aint gonna matter who we draft or get through FA, if this staff isnt changed, it will not matter!
December 18th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
1220.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
So with our 1st rnd pick this year, what position do you draft? Assuming it will be top 7.
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I am a value guy.
Whatever position he plays, he has to be the #1 or #2 at worst prospect at his position.
So to me, the #1 rated DB or S is more valuable than the #3 rated DE or LT.
But sorry, haven’t amassed my draft board yet. Believe me, in due time, I will have my pick, and post it 18,000 times.
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Picking a top DB ahead of #3 DE/OLB is a mistake IMO also.
DB’s are a dime a dozen.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
We had the personel to build from the inside out. Except the coaching staff decided to force feed a scheme upon players that had no need to fit the scheme. They already had time under their belts and did not need to be re-trained. That was a bad move on the coaches part. The record speaks for itself. Misery and woe has begotten this team. But get good with it because it will be here next year too.
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Yeah stupid Knapp and his horrible system. I still can’t believe he was their choice for OC. Might as well go with a Rookie OC since they did it everywhere else.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
1227.RaiderLen Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
So with our 1st rnd pick this year, what position do you draft? Assuming it will be top 7.
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I am a value guy.
Whatever position he plays, he has to be the #1 or #2 at worst prospect at his position.
So to me, the #1 rated DB or S is more valuable than the #3 rated DE or LT.
But sorry, haven’t amassed my draft board yet. Believe me, in due time, I will have my pick, and post it 18,000 times.
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I’m into value as well, having said that maybe the #3 DE is better value then the #1 CB or safety.
Depends upon the depth of talent at specific positions in a given year.
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Kinda funny how guys are rated…take the 2009 draft Curry was the #1 LB. Crazy to look back at all the misses…
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2009/2009-nfl-draft-results.cfm?round=2
December 18th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
In the Top 5, I say Draft a MLB, LT, or QB.
LT and move Veldheer to RT.
I know we need a Pass rusher bad but it’s not like we ever play with a lead. We need a Run Stopper or Help on the line. QB just becasue your’e there in the top 5
December 18th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RT of the future is Bergs.
They are playing him as the extra TE, but on the left side. He blocked Hali a lot last week.
Gearing him up for the speed rushers.
If we draft O-line in the first round, it HAS TO be Womack from ‘Bama.
Stud Guard to replace Briesel? No-brainer. Much more of a team upgrade then replacing our best O-lineman, Veldheer, and moving things around. That might not even represent an upgrade at all.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Mistics QB debate is still going ??? 1.5 years and counting ….
December 18th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
1249.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RT of the future is Bergs.
They are playing him as the extra TE, but on the left side. He blocked Hali a lot last week.
Gearing him up for the speed rushers.
If we draft O-line in the first round, it HAS TO be Womack from ‘Bama.
Stud Guard to replace Briesel? No-brainer. Much more of a team upgrade then replacing our best O-lineman, Veldheer, and moving things around. That might not even represent an upgrade at all.
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Then why the Hell do they keep practacing him at Guard when there’s a glaring hole at RT. This coaching staff is just mind boggling
December 18th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
SF- been looking for Qb since young
STL- been looking since warner before that since forever
ARI- been looking since warner before that since forever
SEA- been looking since forever
NO- before Brees been looking since forever
TB- been looking since forever
ATL- been looking since that guy in 99′ forget his name
CHA- been looking since forever
DAL- been looking sice Aikman
PHI- hasnt been long but since Mcnabb
Wash- been looking since Doug Williams
NYG- before Manning been looking sice Simms
GB- before favre and rodgers they had been looking since Star
CHI- has been looking since forever
Minn- been looking since Culpepper if you dont count him since Tarkenton
Det- before Stafford been looking since forever
OAK- been looking since Gannon
SD- before Rivers been looking since Humphreys
KC- been looking since Montana before that since forever
DEN- before Manning been looking since Elway
BUFF- been looking sice Kelly
NYJ- looking since Broadway Joe
Mia- looking since Marino
NE- before Brady been looking since forever
HOU- before shaub been looking since expansion draft
TENN- been looking since Mcnair
JAX- been looking since Brunell
INDY- before Manning been looking since Unitas
CLE- been looking since Kosar
BAL- since they used to be the Browns, see the Browns
PITT- before Ben been looking since Bradshaw
Cin- before Dalton been look since Boomer
Franchise QB’S dont come easily, thus build your core and hope you luck into one sooner or later via draft or FA.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RT of the future is Bergs.
They are playing him as the extra TE, but on the left side. He blocked Hali a lot last week.
Gearing him up for the speed rushers.
If we draft O-line in the first round, it HAS TO be Womack from ‘Bama.
Stud Guard to replace Briesel? No-brainer. Much more of a team upgrade then replacing our best O-lineman, Veldheer, and moving things around. That might not even represent an upgrade at all.
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Agree
We have a pretty good left tackle. Guard(s) is a position of need.
And Center if Wiz is moved back to LG.
Carlisle is on the farewell tour and Breisel is crap.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Then why the Hell do they keep practacing him at Guard when there’s a glaring hole at RT
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Not sure about glaring hole.
Sadly, Barnes is probably our 2nd best O-lineman. Bergs got some run at RT when he was out, and they use him like I said as the extra TE, but on the left side facing the better pass-rushers.
I like the plan and process so far.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Watch Hue go to SD and finally get the Chargers their first SB title.
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Puke!
Chris in NY = fake Raider fan
December 18th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
LOL at the New York Giants having a great O-line.
They were dead last in rushing last season. Worst yards per carry in the NFL in 3 years.
Great WR’s though!!!! World-class D-line and QB.
That’s what I see winning these days. Pitt won with Santonio Holmes (1st round pick) saving their bacon from blowing it against another great WR (Fitz) defensively.
Giants with so many WR’s they didn’t know what to do with it. Great pass rushers. Bunch of schlepps on the O-line.
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Do your research first Giants have 1st 2nd rd picks on their oline, and they ran the ball when they needed to last year IN THE PLAYOFFS.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Franchise QB’S dont come easily, thus build your core and hope you luck into one sooner or later via draft or FA.
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100%
The Core can maintain for several years in anticipation of “The Guy” that puts them over the top.
In the meantime you can be in the hunt with a punchers chance of making something happen.
Hey I’ll Take RgIII or Luck and figure it out from there, but the 1st thing I’m gonna do is find a way to protect them, and make their job easier.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Damn, I know we suck and all. Figure we probably won’t beat Carolina. But never expected to see them as 8.5 point favorites!
December 18th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
We should beat scam newton easily
December 18th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
We should beat scam newton easily
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Because?
December 18th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Franchise QB’S dont come easily, thus build your core and hope you luck into one sooner or later via draft or FA.
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Well in a simplistic sense, yes.
But your acting like people are saying draft 5 QB’s in the draft and just blow off the other positions.
Point is, we can go draft the next Anthony Munoz and Nate Newton. And if Carson keeps throwing bone-headed INT’s and WR’s keep dropping passes, guess what?
4-12 again.
If we “luck” into solid QB play, we can win with this O-line minus Briesel.
Have to upgrade him. And have to get some speed edge rushers (although Carter is looking very good the last month, very encouraging).
December 18th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Ravens won one playoff game in 7 years, and missed the playoffs 4 of 7 seasons until Joe Flacco rolled into town.
Since then, never missed the playoffs, never didn’t win at least one playoff game a year.
And the defense has been getting worse.
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Who’s on the oline? a franchise LT you heard of him right they made a movie about him, Micheal Oher.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
newton is sooooooooo much better than palmer its laughable top compare the two
Palmer 8-16 36 tds 37 turn overs
newton 11-19 60 tds 32 turn overs
December 18th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
1252,
Kudos for the work u put into your post with all those teams and how they’re still looking for a franchise QB but i don’t think Andy Dalton is their franchise QB.
He has as many interceptions (14) as “the turnover machine” Carson Palmer, and he has Aj Green and that guy who does backflips into the endzone to throw to.
Doesn’t Gresham play for Cincy too?
December 18th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
If Bergs is gonna be somebody? His learning curve is kinda short lol
December 18th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Pitt is the only team I recall winning it all with an avg Oline and they won beacuse of D, now that that D is starting to age and Ben is behind that garbage oline(they did pick pouncey) he is a walking injury of late and it will only get worse if they dont address it same goes for the bears they also have an above avg D but the qb keeps getting hurt, garbage oline play. I guarantee if you put a good qb behind that Cle oline or Mia oline, look out, because thats all their missing.
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Hear hear.
If McK is worth his salt he will ATTACK the o-line this year… three new starters on the right side of Veldheer and Wiz (the new Shell/Upshaw.)
Plug in a true #1 receiver… watch this offense soar!
The defense can still keep sucking… I don’t care. Just put a great offense around CP. He deserves it.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Mistic,
You say “i can’t wait” to see Carolina and your QB Cam Newton “blow out” the Raiders.
Why don’t u go to the Panther board and hang out with them.
No Raider fan says the stuff you do.
Yes. Your teams QB is pretty good. Congrats.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Franchise QB’S dont come easily, thus build your core and hope you luck into one sooner or later via draft or FA.
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Well in a simplistic sense, yes.
But your acting like people are saying draft 5 QB’s in the draft and just blow off the other positions.
Point is, we can go draft the next Anthony Munoz and Nate Newton. And if Carson keeps throwing bone-headed INT’s and WR’s keep dropping passes, guess what?
4-12 again.
If we “luck” into solid QB play, we can win with this O-line minus Briesel.
Have to upgrade him. And have to get some speed edge rushers (although Carter is looking very good the last month, very encouraging).
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We have solid QB play but he’s running for his life and throwing off his back foot the majority of the time, things Gannon didnt have to do because he had the great wall of china in front of him, we need to do the same for CP3. BTW you are thinking correctly with the Chance Womack pick outta Bamma. trade down and get him.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
East,
Giants don’t have ONE 1st round pick on their2011 O-line, and by my count their Super Bowl starting O-line was a 2nd rounder (by another team), a 5th round pick, a 3rd roud pick, a 2nd round pick, and a 6th round pick.
Since you told me to “do my research” I did. Where is yours?
December 18th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
newton is sooooooooo much better than palmer its laughable top compare the two
Palmer 8-16 36 tds 37 turn overs
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One Note Johnny is still methodically typing the exact same thing after I get back from happy hour?
Whodathunkit?
Well at least its not as painful to watch…
December 18th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
1252,
Kudos for the work u put into your post with all those teams and how they’re still looking for a franchise QB but i don’t think Andy Dalton is their franchise QB.
He has as many interceptions (14) as “the turnover machine” Carson Palmer, and he has Aj Green and that guy who does backflips into the endzone to throw to.
Doesn’t Gresham play for Cincy too?
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Thx’s just trying to point out how hard it is to get that franchise qb.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Giants averaged 116 yards rushing a game in the playoffs, 6th of the 12 playoff teams.
New England was 7th. Baltimore, one 30 yard FG from the Super Bowl, was 9th.
Research.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
newton is sooooooooo much better than palmer its laughable top compare the two
Palmer 8-16 36 tds 37 turn overs
>>>>
One Note Johnny is still methodically typing the exact same thing after I get back from happy hour?
Whodathunkit?
Well at least its not as painful to watch…
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He’s a great Raider fan. He “can’t wait” to see Carolina blow out his “favorite team” on Sunday.
Such great f’ing fans we got here.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Mistic,
You say “i can’t wait” to see Carolina and your QB Cam Newton “blow out” the Raiders.
Why don’t u go to the Panther board and hang out with them.
No Raider fan says the stuff you do.
Yes. Your teams QB is pretty good. Congrats.
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repeating my take out of context does not change the meaning.
“i cant wait” was in reference to the rest of that post about allen being fired.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Giants do have 1st rounders at WR, DE, QB, CB and S though.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
East,
Giants don’t have ONE 1st round pick on their2011 O-line, and by my count their Super Bowl starting O-line was a 2nd rounder (by another team), a 5th round pick, a 3rd roud pick, a 2nd round pick, and a 6th round pick.
Since you told me to “do my research” I did. Where is yours?
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Are you sure? I could have sworn Diel was a 1st rounder, but if i’m wrong my appologies but 2 2nds and a 3rd aint bad on your Oline.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
newton is sooooooooo much better than palmer its laughable top compare the two
Palmer 8-16 36 tds 37 turn overs
>>>>
One Note Johnny is still methodically typing the exact same thing after I get back from happy hour?
Whodathunkit?
Well at least its not as painful to watch…
….
macbuttplug 20 called me out so i responded, take it up with him
December 18th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Really Ibabuzz??? “Ubatuba” boxer shorts to advertise?
Bring back the gummy-bear lady!!!!!!!!!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
East,
Giants don’t have ONE 1st round pick on their2011 O-line, and by my count their Super Bowl starting O-line was a 2nd rounder (by another team), a 5th round pick, a 3rd roud pick, a 2nd round pick, and a 6th round pick.
Since you told me to “do my research” I did. Where is yours?
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The Giants are the aberration of the NFL. All they do is hope their defense and Eli get hot at the same time.
Its worked, but they are not a way anyone should build a franchise. Oh, besides keeping a franchise QB no matter what.
Eli has sucked in the regular season as often as CP has.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
newton is sooooooooo much better than palmer its laughable top compare the two
Palmer 8-16 36 tds 37 turn overs
>>>>
One Note Johnny is still methodically typing the exact same thing after I get back from happy hour?
Whodathunkit?
Well at least its not as painful to watch…
….
macbuttplug 20 called me out so i responded, take it up with him
>>>>
So you have no control of typing the exact same thing 100 times a day?
OCD?
December 18th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Giants averaged 116 yards rushing a game in the playoffs,
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is that not good?
December 18th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Diehl was a 5th round pick.
5th round pick as your Super Bowl winning LT!!!!!
Colts won with Charlie Johnson, a converted collegiate TE, also 5th round pick.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
1252,
Kudos for the work u put into your post with all those teams and how they’re still looking for a franchise QB but i don’t think Andy Dalton is their franchise QB.
He has as many interceptions (14) as “the turnover machine” Carson Palmer, and he has Aj Green and that guy who does backflips into the endzone to throw to.
Doesn’t Gresham play for Cincy too?
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Thx’s just trying to point out how hard it is to get that franchise qb.
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You’re right. So unless we can get someone who is an onvious candidate for us don’t we stick with Palmer until we do?
I’m really trying to figure this all out, as far as what this team needs.
I keep looking for trends that the top teams have and a franchise type QB seems to be a constant factor.
But it’s the “what else” do they have that is interesting to try and figure out.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Missdick–do u realize that every time u post something about Palmer being bad, u are making a complete fool of urself? Forget about this board. Any and all nfl insiders would rightfully consider u a joke with no discernible football knowledge. Any actual football fan knows knows how stupid u are. Do u?
December 18th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
How many times do u guys think missdick had watched pryor’s three plays and decided they were a monumental triumph and indicator of his cheetah-like abilities?
December 18th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
I keep looking for trends that the top teams have and a franchise type QB seems to be a constant factor.
But it’s the “what else” do they have that is interesting to try and figure out.
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Its almost 100% random. Hot QB and a good HC is the only constant.
Our team needs CP to have more time and a number one WR that he can depend on though, IMO.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
FREE TP6!!!!
FIRE ALLEN!!!!
FREE ROB PARKER!!!!!
DEATH TO CROSS POSTERS!!!!
PEACE
December 18th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Giants made the Superbowl theirs, it was no single player. They came together and made it happen with team work and discipline.
Just like the 80′ Raiders.
This game is not about one individual, guys. It’s about cohesiveness and the will to be winners.
Go ask Al????
December 18th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Missdick–do u realize that every time u post something about Palmer being bad, u are making a complete fool of urself? Forget about this board. Any and all nfl insiders would rightfully consider u a joke with no discernible football knowledge. Any actual football fan knows knows how stupid u are. Do u?
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There’s plenty of NFL people who question Palmer. So speak for yourself.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
IMPRISON MISTIC!!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I was a decent Carson supporter, but I can’t stand to watch him underthrow these deep balls all the time.
He had Moore wide open last Sunday, a half decent throw in front of his WR and it is an easy TD.
Instead he underthrows him horribly, and people blame Gregg Knapp.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I keep looking for trends that the top teams have and a franchise type QB seems to be a constant factor.
But it’s the “what else” do they have that is interesting to try and figure out.
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Here’s some perspective.
Elite QB’s gain the status by winning.
They don’t do it alone.
They have a Defense, a Running Game, Quality Wr’s and good leadership/ownership.
Look at all of the Elite QB’s and you’ll find “elite” structure and enough talent to pull it off.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Instead he underthrows him horribly, and people blame Gregg Knapp.
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Knapp is a moron.
He proved it at his last presser.
I was on the fence and leaning towards his release.
The Presser pushed me off the fence.
Gotta go.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Knapp’s record speaks for itself at every stop as a OC
December 18th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Look at all of the Elite QB’s and you’ll find “elite” structure and enough talent to pull it off.
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While true, the one constant is the QB.
Brady has thrown to a zillion WR’s, who were crap before and after they left town (sans Moss).
Multiple RT’s, Centers, RB’s, TE’s.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Those deep throws? Like the ones to streamer? Lol. Palmer is widely accepted as one of the best deep throwers in the world.
Death to missdick.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Streater. Dang auto correct.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Missdick=Sullivan
December 18th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Knapp’s record speaks for itself at every stop as a OC
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There you go.
I was of the opinion that the talent at his disposal would enable him to be more creative, and thus successful.
Oops.
Didn’t realize he had to teach what He “knows” and was unable to utilize the tools in the shed.
Apparently He only knows of one way to skin a cat.
And He’s lousy at that.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
1286,
Gdog, I was thinking kind of the same thing.
With Reggie spending all that time in GB, you’d think he’d be bringing that model here.
How does GB win so consistently?
-Aaron Rodgers
-Good/great receivers. Driver, Jennings, James Jones, Finley, Jordy Nelson. ALL THOSE GUYS run the right routes and CATCH THE BALL…Oh..and Randall Cobb too.
-RB? By committee and they do just fine. If we were modeling after GB than we are fine with Stewart and Goodson actually which makes DMAC expendable for a trade for a 2nd rounder?
-OLine? Gb’s line might be one of the worst in the league. Rodgers gets sacked more than Cutler and is under duress alot of the time. Our line is BETTER than Gb’s.
-Dline? Good run stuffers with BJ Raji and co.
-Pass rushers? Clay Matthews.
-Linebackers? Matthews and Aj Hawk. Hawk is not that great.
-DB’s? Woodson is now a safetay. Truman Williams and Sam Shields have improved a DB crew that gave up most yds in NFL history last yr. and have improved this yr…but not massively.
-Special Teams? Good returner with Randall Cobb…very good. Ford COULD be that guy for us. Maybe.
Conclusion: Key factors in GB’s success appear to be STUD QB. Great receivers, great pass rush and above avg special teams. Although they have a lame place kicker.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I was a decent Carson supporter, but I can’t stand to watch him underthrow these deep balls all the time.
He had Moore wide open last Sunday, a half decent throw in front of his WR and it is an easy TD.
Instead he underthrows him horribly, and people blame Gregg Knapp.
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You got me on the Giant oline thing I was way off base, but like I said two 2nd rd picks and a 3rd rd pick aint too shabby.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Look at all of the Elite QB’s and you’ll find “elite” structure and enough talent to pull it off.
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While true, the one constant is the QB.
Brady has thrown to a zillion WR’s, who were crap before and after they left town (sans Moss).
Multiple RT’s, Centers, RB’s, TE’s.
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Yep,
Elite structure/leadership.
They found replacements that enabled Brady to do what he does at an elite level.
Put any elite QB on the Raiders right now, and how many additional wins?
3, 4, 5?
December 18th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
How many times do u guys think missdick had watched pryor’s three plays and decided they were a monumental triumph and indicator of his cheetah-like abilities?
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Based on those three plays mistic is speed dialing Monte Poole trying to get him to vote Pryor into the Hall of Fame.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
stablersbeard Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
1046. RAIDERMAN… Good post. It’s about the most sensible thing I’ve seen about Pryor on here.
I think It’s possible that the staff sees so little upside to his game at QB, they just don’t feel the need to commit to getting him ready for lengthy game action.
It seems that they’ve got quite a bit to look at with the receivers, also. Going with Pryor would probably limit what you could see with receivers. I realize they’ve seen the receivers all year, but… I’ve seen every snap of every game. I’m no coach or evaluator, but I can’t tell if any of them are worth sticking with. Not one of them stands out as a true #1 or even #2 receiver on a consistent basis.
After saying that, I think it makes sense to give Pryor at LEAST a quarter in each of the last games.
Unless they’ve already made a decision and are looking at other parts of the offensive unit.
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This is precisely what scares me about this staff, they are blind to the environmant they compete in. They are blind to the advantage of using a dynamic player at QB such as Pryor. What Jim Harbaugh has done is completely lost on them they have zero vision or the ability to lead this team out of the mist.
The sad truth about Palmer is that he will NOT get any better, what you see is what you’ll continue to get. I wish I were wrong but aI strongly feel I am not. Palmer is a statuesgue prototypical talent from a bygone era. He has all the past criterior for the position as once described and that is the issue he is passe in terms of what he offers. Too many times plays were available if he could have extended the play with his feet. He just has been taught that is NOT what great QB play is. He’s been taught stay in the pocket read and release it’s just now the rush is too great.
he often stands there with lanes available to run and pick up valuable yards or make big throws downfield. Instead he’s pressured into an errant throw and we’re 3 and out. The new wave QB extends plays forcing the defense to cover much longer and give up huge plays downfield or the 1st down extending the drive. Our defense is facing this delimma on a week to wek basis as they will this week. It puts extreme pressure on your defense to stay sound.
Palmer simply does not offer that, it’s not that he isn’t a very good QB. Better than most, it’s that the game has changed and we have a state of the art prototype sitting and learning but stunted by a coaching staff with dim vision and no sense of innovation.
What Pryor offers is exactly what you saw Sunday night wiuth kaepernick and what you will see Sunday with Can Newton. he is very adept at forcing the ball downfield as well as picking up valuable 1st downs to extend drives and keep our defense fresh. Not the least of he gives us a much better threat in the redzone with his size and athleticism. Is he as good as Palmer at this point no he isn’t but what he offers is rapid improvement in all areas and a longterm solution we all desparately want at the most important position on the team.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
IF Reggie were to follow GB’s model the RB is interchangeable.
It’s not that GB desires a weak oline but they overcome it..big time.
-Receivers. As much as we like “DWOW” he’s a #3 in reality. DHB? He may be on GB’s practice squad.
Streator? Potential.
We need big time help at receiver.
Tight End? Myers is a good outlet catcher, but Ausberry should be our Jermichael Finley.
We need a stud pass rusher in the worst way. Add that to the mix of Bryant and dare I say TK could stay.
DB’s. Adams is a keeper and Brandian Ross may have something. We need to upgrade there.
Where are we gonna get our Aaron Rodgers?
December 18th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/18/chargers-put-three-on-ir/
Week 17 = win!!
December 18th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
You got me on the Giant oline thing I was way off base, but like I said two 2nd rd picks and a 3rd rd pick aint too shabby.
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One of the 2nd rounders wasn’t drafted by them, but to me the 3rd round is where you solidify your O-line. Perfect spot.
There isn’t much of a difference between a 1st or 2nd round G or a 3rd or 4th round G.
But there is a HUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference between an AJ Green and Louis Murphy.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/18/lions-sign-ron-bartell/
first Pat Lee, now Bartell?
Lions love our trash DB’s!
maybe we can trade Tyvon Branch to DET this offseason !!!
December 18th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Farce & Rogers are mobile. Palmer’s a sitting duck.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Palmer is widely accepted as one of the best deep throwers in the world.
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LOL!!!
In the Falcons game CBS opened up his first drive that he was like 1 for 25 on passes 20+ yards down the field, worst in the NFL.
I have never heard one person put Carson Palmer in the top of deep ball throwers. He floats them, underthrows them, and forces them into coverage.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
I was a decent Carson supporter, but I can’t stand to watch him underthrow these deep balls all the time.
He had Moore wide open last Sunday, a half decent throw in front of his WR and it is an easy TD.
Instead he underthrows him horribly, and people blame Gregg Knapp.
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Thought the same thing, and Carson should’ve known from practice what Moore can do. He was in foriegn territory, however, having adequate protection and time to throw for the 3rd or 4th time this year and may have been disoriented.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Farve & Rogers are mobile.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
KoolKell,
I see Kane and Associates are advertising at the top of the page.
Did you press Corky to push that through?
December 18th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Palmer is widely accepted as one of the best deep throwers in the world.
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LOL!!!
In the Falcons game CBS opened up his first drive that he was like 1 for 25 on passes 20+ yards down the field, worst in the NFL.
I have never heard one person put Carson Palmer in the top of deep ball throwers. He floats them, underthrows them, and forces them into coverage.
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It takes two players to make a long pass work.
Our receivers SUCK!
December 18th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Palmer is widely accepted as one of the best deep throwers in the world.
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LOL!!!
In the Falcons game CBS opened up his first drive that he was like 1 for 25 on passes 20+ yards down the field, worst in the NFL.
I have never heard one person put Carson Palmer in the top of deep ball throwers. He floats them, underthrows them, and forces them into coverage.
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It takes two players to make a long pass work.
Our receivers SUCK!
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The “Deep ball” was working pretty good last year. Especially with JC throwing it.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Last year, with many chances to ice games late, Carson ALWAYS overthrew his WR’s on Hue’s hair-brained deep-ball playcalls.
He is much better throwing the 20 yard dart over the middle, then his deep throws.
That Cleveland throw was horrendous. That throw last week against KC was underthrown by almost 10 yards.
Bad, bad throws. Where is GG with conspiracy theories? Maybe Carson has tennis elbow.
December 18th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Palmer’s deep ball was good last yr. He hit Moore with a few long bombs.
Saying our receivers “SUCK” is probably an overstatement and a little harsh, but they have definitey digressed. Moore has dropped a lot of passes; DHB has dropped his share and even Myers…he is in the top 10 in the league in drops. We have two receivers in the top 15 of drops.
Don’t be surprised if we follow the GB “model” that Reggie knows. It makes sense.
DMAC is expendable in that model.
From that perspective, not picking up aging veterans at receiver makes sense. Doesn’t fit the GB “model”,
but loading up on no names who become names at receiver DOES fit the model.
Streator fits it to a T. UDFA who makes an impact. It’s a start.
-WHERE DO WE GET OUR AARON RODGERS?
December 18th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Saying our receivers “SUCK” is probably an overstatement and a little harsh,
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Your prepped us about this earlier this week, lol.
Tone down the rhetoric good buddy.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Palmer is a CHOKER.
Pryor is a SCRUB.
FIRE REGGIE.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I hope we just ship anybody for any picks possible….We need picks,….picks,…picks!!!!!Not a lot of franchise players this year but lots of quality starters I think….
December 18th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
What’s up Mush?
How is your wife?
December 18th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Carson is not Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning, but it’s interesting how narrow minded many of you are.
You really think a QB should win games no matter what the roster. Never mind that we have one of the worst defenses in history, and no running game to speak of.
You guys want to imagine in your dream world that Brady would win any more games than Palmer has this yr.
Instead of talking about defense, coaching, running game or anything else why don’t you just talk about the QB position ONLY since really that’s the only one that matters. According to you guys the QB is supposed to overcome everything anyways so what’s the point in talking about anything else?
Team loses? QB’s fault. Guys drop passes? Doesn’t matter…QB’s fault.
You guys like to say PALMER is 4-10 and not the team.
Defense gives up 55? Screw it ..Palmer’s fault. He’s supposed to post up 56.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
We don’t have anybody worth any draft picks.
Carson maybe could fetch something, but his contract vastly reduces whatever value that is there.
McNinny is being reported as a FA, so better to let him walk and get the supp pick I guess, but can’t trade a FA.
McClain? LMAO.
TK? No chance.
Ford? One year too late.
DHB? Maybe a 5th or 6th rounder.
Branch? Probably 4th.
We could get something for Veldheer, Houston, Reece and D-Moore, but not all that much, and we need those guys to improve here more so then to nab the next Miles Burris.
Bad, bad roster mismanagement over the years.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Shoot,
You fools think that TK has no value because he is a good ol’ southern boy.
This dude plays from love and for fun. That’s why you don’t see him all upset like you want to.
TK is who he is. Her has made a strong effort to get slim and be a better player. You fools are just to blind to see it.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
JFB,
Why you always the Sorry Sally with your risk management type analysis?
We have players that are more valuable then draft picks because they are still young and have been in the system.
We stay the course with our top guys, and we could have something next season.
We can trade down from our #1 spot and collect a late/mid first and 2 additional picks. That should be enough rookies.
Next, we get rid of the Rolando, Seymore, and other costly guys that do not produce on D, and we might be something next season.
BTW, I wnated Ro to shine this season just like you? Sad, but we were both disapointed thoroughly….
December 18th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Jermichael Finley is due 7 million next year and a report
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-seem-to-be-finished-with-finley-v081e07-183664521.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
out of Green Bay is that he might be released or traded this upcoming off season.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
My keyboarding skills need a ton of work lol
December 18th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Finley $ucks.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Why you always the Sorry Sally with your risk management type analysis?
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Maybe I work in risk management type analysis?
Can’t trade down for much, nobody wants to trade up BTW. If we do trade down, don’t expect much. Maybe move from #7 to #10, and get a 2014 3rd rounder and 2013 4th rounder.
Things like that. Will be a historically boring draft this year.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
1328
I haven’t watched much of him but my little brother was saying his hands are as good as Dudleys. lol
December 18th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
DJ A better QB would have a definite effect on this team. Brady or Manning would easily be worth 3-4 wins. To say they wouldn’t is just ignorant of what those players mena to the teams they’re on. You’re making an excuse for Palmer the truth is he has contributed to losses…period
If he doesn’t throw late game picks and throws TD’s instead we win those games. No One is saying the reason we lost is JUST his fault, but we are saying he could’ve won those games. It’s just being honest, you don’t have to be against him to admit that. QB’s have the most dramatic effect on teams how they play determines how the team as a whole plays. When you put in a great QB on a average team they become much more formidable on a good team they can become great, on a great team they can be dominant.
This is largely a QB led league because he determines the fate of his team on many occasions with his decision making and playmaking. To say anything else is disengenuous………period
December 18th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Why you always the Sorry Sally with your risk management type analysis?
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Maybe I work in risk management type analysis?
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I thought so lol
December 18th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
We got a 2nd rd pick for Doug Jolley.
Anything is possible.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
If you’re drafting in the top 5-7 players of this draft you should get a player if you don’t don’t blame anyone except the individual making the decision.
There are some very good defensive players in this draft a ton of WR’s mamoth Dlineman and great edge rushers. If you cannot get a gem in this draft even in the top 10 the problem is your GM………period
December 18th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Yeah anything is possible I guess, but don’t expect it.
I would actually look for ways for Reggie to get into the 2nd round some how, more of a trade up then trade down.
Package Jacoby and a 4th for a 2nd or something like that.
I think we will stand pat in the first round, and draft an (hopefully) impact guy.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
1304. Priest…I agree. Kinda.
I haven’t seen anything to make me think Pryor is on the same level as Newton or even Kaepernik.
If they give him 15 minutes on the clock these last two games, maybe we’ll see it.
It would settle a lot of questions, at least.
But, I suspect they’ve already made the decision. Otherwise we’d have seen more of him this season. At least in special packages.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
If you’re drafting in the top 5-7 players of this draft you should get a player if you don’t don’t blame anyone except the individual making the decision.
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Yup, that’s why our drafts of the last so many years stunk and we never got any impactful players.
The guy making the decision.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
1333.J Hill Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
We got a 2nd rd pick for Doug Jolley.
Anything is possible.
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Yeah from a Jets GM that makes Tennenbaum look like Tannenbaum.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Bismack Biyombo…..LMAO.
WTF is Jordan doing out there?
December 18th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
J,
Ready to cede my David Lee > Andrew Bynum call yet?
David Lee might get MVP votes
December 18th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Palmer is widely accepted as one of the best deep throwers in the world.
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LOL!!!
In the Falcons game CBS opened up his first drive that he was like 1 for 25 on passes 20+ yards down the field, worst in the NFL.
I have never heard one person put Carson Palmer in the top of deep ball throwers. He floats them, underthrows them, and forces them into coverage.
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so stupid. everyone says it. one of the best pure passers ever.
did u see the throws to streater? picture perfect.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
I think we will stand pat in the first round, and draft an (hopefully) impact guy.
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We are going to finish the season with 3 straight wins. I think we are looking at “good” player.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
As much as many on here spout off about Pryor, I’m am shocked that Fed Ex hasn’t called him to be their top pitchman. With all his “special packages.”
December 18th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Palmer is a statuesgue prototypical talent from a bygone era. He has all the past criterior for the position as once described and that is the issue he is passe in terms of what he offers. Too many times plays were available if he could have extended the play with his feet. He just has been taught that is NOT what great QB play is. He’s been taught stay in the pocket read and release it’s just now the rush is too great.
he often stands there with lanes available to run and pick up valuable yards or make big throws downfield. Instead he’s pressured into an errant throw and we’re 3 and out. The new wave QB extends plays forcing the defense to cover much longer and give up huge plays downfield or the 1st down extending the drive. Our defense is facing this delimma on a week to wek basis as they will this week. It puts extreme pressure on your defense to stay sound.
Palmer simply does not offer that, it’s not that he isn’t a very good QB. Better than most, it’s that the game has changed and we have a state of the art prototype sitting and learning but stunted by a coaching staff with dim vision and no sense of innovation.
What Pryor offers is exactly what you saw Sunday night wiuth kaepernick and what you will see Sunday with Can Newton. he is very adept at forcing the ball downfield as well as picking up valuable 1st downs to extend drives and keep our defense fresh. Not the least of he gives us a much better threat in the redzone with his size and athleticism. Is he as good as Palmer at this point no he isn’t but what he offers is rapid improvement in all areas and a longterm solution we all desparately want at the most important position on the team.
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pocket passer of a bygone era? like manning and brady?
he doesn’t extend plays? have u watched him roll out and hit the open target, like on sunday? cuz the broadcasters noticed.
pryor is state-of-the-art? a state-of-the-art 3rd rounder? is there such a thing?
sometimes ur too stupid for words.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Ready to cede my David Lee > Andrew Bynum call yet?
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Your kidding me, right?
December 18th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
1331,
I agree with most of what u said Priest. Maybe Brady or Manning get us a few more wins but those are probably the only ones who would.
Where do we find our Brady or Manning? In lieu of finding that person what do we do?
We NEED a receiving corps like GB’s. Guys who can catch the ball and are diligent in their route assignments as well as being able to improvise when the QB is in trouble and needs to bailed out amid a tuff pass rush.
There’s no one formula for success. Brady does it with two stud te’s and receivers who do what they are supposed to. Nothing flashy and no star power with their receivers; just an exceptional QB with fundamentally sound wr’s and stud te’s.
Brady doesn’t even have a great running game. Danny Woodhead?
I’m looking for “constants” in the the elite teams.
-Elite QB
-Plenty of recievers who CATCH THE BALL and make plays.
-Defensive players who can make plays on occasion.
-Good/Great COACHING.
All the “other stuff” seems to vary but those are the constants i notice.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
RaidO Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Palmer is widely accepted as one of the best deep throwers in the world.
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LOL!!!
In the Falcons game CBS opened up his first drive that he was like 1 for 25 on passes 20+ yards down the field, worst in the NFL.
I have never heard one person put Carson Palmer in the top of deep ball throwers. He floats them, underthrows them, and forces them into coverage.
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It takes two players to make a long pass work.
Our receivers SUCK!
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The “Deep ball” was working pretty good last year. Especially with JC throwing it.
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yeah, if u consider throwing out of bounds working.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
carson palmer=#18 passer of all-time. right below dan marino and ahead of brett favre.
fact.
u guys are idiots.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
J Hill Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
I think we will stand pat in the first round, and draft an (hopefully) impact guy.
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We are going to finish the season with 3 straight wins. I think we are looking at “good” player.
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This would impact my opinion of this staff if they could win 3 straight games they can possibly turn things around. beating Carolina is good betaing SD not so much they have quit. All 3 would be against bad teams but still it’s 3 straight wins and that is all you can ask. However it would also beg the question why we lost 6 straight before they could get it corrected.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
A good HC and a good QB can do a lot to change the direction of any team. when you go 4-12 you are lacking either one or both. Losing 6 straight games is hard if you have BOTH it means it means you are lacking in one or the other…………..period
December 18th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
can u guys believe those stupid coaching staffs that keep these passe qb’s of a bygone era around, like peyton, brady, roethlisberger, rodgers, ryan, schaub, brees, eli, flacco, dalton, romo, rivers, bradford, cutler, stafford, and luck? they should all be fired.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
However it would also beg the question why we lost 6 straight before they could get it corrected.
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No one reason, imo.
But if I had to point to one thing it would be the play calling on offense.
I also tend to think that Tarver blitzes too much on 3rd downs.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
So they are now making an easy baked oven for boys now. Before it was only pink and blue, for girls.
The colors for the new boys easy bake oven?
You guessed it, black and silver.
I wish I was kidding.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
in 1988, dan marino passed for 4434 yards and 28 td’s with 23 int’s. it was his 6th season. his coach that year was don shula. they went 6-10. they should have been canned.
lol.
idiots.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
DJ, Brady has a very good running game probably the best running game he has EVER had.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I also tend to think that Tarver blitzes too much on 3rd downs.
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I like MM34 blitzing almost exclusively though. Playing to his strengths.
He can’t cover, he can’t tackle in space, but he has gret timing on his blitzes. Always has.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
David Lee might hang a 35-18 tonight.
All-Star, and should get MVP votes.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
-RB? By committee and they do just fine. If we were modeling after GB than we are fine with Stewart and Goodson actually which makes DMAC expendable for a trade for a 2nd rounder?
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Thats a very interesting point. It could happen. I HATED the McF draft pick, but he has grown on me enough to pull for him. I think he is just trying too hard, frustrated with the injuries… no patience. He has all the tools to be an elite RB, and we saw glimpses of that last year.
A change of scenery might do him good, and I would root for him on another team outside the AFCW.
GB never did put much emphasis in the RB… if McK got a 2nd rounder for McF, I bet he’d snap at it.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
David Lee turned out to be much better than I ever thought he could be he is just the consumate big player no weakness. That trade was a steall..
December 18th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Klay T and Curry keep the floor open but Dlee is the real deal. The W’s are fun to watch because they play the game the right way, as a team.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
The coaching staff didn’t let anybody run the ball but McFadden. Nobody else got touches. Yeah you want Running by committe these days. Like McFadden/Bush were used last year.
Knapp is narrow minded…………?
December 18th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
GB never did put much emphasis in the RB… if McK got a 2nd rounder for McF, I bet he’d snap at it.
…especially if Allen insists on Knapp as our OC.
McF will be dead in the water next season with Knapp, same as this. He needs stunts, pulls, and creative passes to get him to open spaces. Knapp likes a nice vanilla safe boring offense.
Just as well roll the dice with an unproven draft pick instead.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
JFB, The coaches finally got the memo on MM34 just play him in the box. He has never been worth a damn in space altough he can cover one on one a TE but play him exclusively in the box and you’ll have a player.
But this has been my problem with this staff all year they don’t get the best out of the talent they do have rather than always looking to replace a guy find out what he can do to help you. Sometimes that is the best option.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Just don’t get Knapp. He absolutely insists on calling passing plays short of the sticks. Even if the damned sticks are only 2 yds away.
Don’t get that schit.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Knapp is a fool, narrow minded is kind.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
The coaching staff didn’t let anybody run the ball but McFadden. Nobody else got touches. Yeah you want Running by committe these days. Like McFadden/Bush were used last year.
Knapp is narrow minded…………?
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Yup. Tunnel vision. He has his plays he wants to call, and expects whomever to run them to succeed. It could be McF, AP, or Stewert off the practice squad… the plays are exactly the same. Like robots.
Thats why I expect Knapp to stay. Allen seems to like robotic play calling.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
GB never did put much emphasis in the RB… if McK got a 2nd rounder for McF, I bet he’d snap at it.
…especially if Allen insists on Knapp as our OC.
McF will be dead in the water next season with Knapp, same as this. He needs stunts, pulls, and creative passes to get him to open spaces. Knapp likes a nice vanilla safe boring offense.
Just as well roll the dice with an unproven draft pick instead.
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The problem is you need a QB like Favre and Rodgers to pull that off. Unfortunately, there are only a handful of QB’s of that quality. Horrible philosophy to run a sustaining franchise
December 18th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
The coaching staff didn’t let anybody run the ball but McFadden. Nobody else got touches. Yeah you want Running by committe these days. Like McFadden/Bush were used last year.
Knapp is narrow minded…………?
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Yup. Tunnel vision. He has his plays he wants to call, and expects whomever to run them to succeed. It could be McF, AP, or Stewert off the practice squad… the plays are exactly the same. Like robots.
Thats why I expect Knapp to stay. Allen seems to like robotic play calling.
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I really wouldn’t doubt Knapp stays. I have a bad feeling he is going to stick around. Can’t wait for the end of next season and Knapp preaching how the 3rd year in the system will generate better results.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
This season is a disgrace to the memory of the legendary Al Davis.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
I really wouldn’t doubt Knapp stays. I have a bad feeling he is going to stick around. Can’t wait for the end of next season and Knapp preaching how the 3rd year in the system will generate better results
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I’m guessing its 50/50 he stays. On the one hand Allen picked him and he doesn’t seem one to admit mistakes. OTOH, McK has to be aware of the wrath Knapp has from Raider fans, and needs to fill the stadium to keep Davis happy.
Could be interesting…
December 18th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
rudegruden Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
GB never did put much emphasis in the RB… if McK got a 2nd rounder for McF, I bet he’d snap at it.
…especially if Allen insists on Knapp as our OC.
McF will be dead in the water next season with Knapp, same as this. He needs stunts, pulls, and creative passes to get him to open spaces. Knapp likes a nice vanilla safe boring offense.
Just as well roll the dice with an unproven draft pick instead.
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The problem is you need a QB like Favre and Rodgers to pull that off. Unfortunately, there are only a handful of QB’s of that quality. Horrible philosophy to run a sustaining franchise
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What philosophy are u referring to?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
I don’t think Knapp comes back next year. I’ve always felt like they kind of settled on him due to the late start on the search and the fact that they were refused permission to talk with other, higher priority candidates. I could be way off base.
I hope he was just a stop-gap. They needed a guy in that position.
It never seemed like they really started out seeking Knapp.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
I think they settled because he was the guy they could get at the time.
I don’t think they had any illusions of being a good team this year.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Back again to the fact there’s more than one way to win in this league.
NE does have a good running game but they do it w/o big name guys. Ridley, Woodhead, and Vereen (not Ben).
NE DOES have a very good o-line, if not great.
GB has a poor line but the passing game thrives nonetheless….with guys who can CATCH THE BALL and do what they’re supposed to do and be where they’re supposed to be.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
This season is a disgrace to the memory of the legendary Al Davis.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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Was there even a season?
December 18th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
rudegruden Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
The coaching staff didn’t let anybody run the ball but McFadden. Nobody else got touches. Yeah you want Running by committe these days. Like McFadden/Bush were used last year.
Knapp is narrow minded…………?
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Yup. Tunnel vision. He has his plays he wants to call, and expects whomever to run them to succeed. It could be McF, AP, or Stewert off the practice squad… the plays are exactly the same. Like robots.
Thats why I expect Knapp to stay. Allen seems to like robotic play calling.
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I really wouldn’t doubt Knapp stays. I have a bad feeling he is going to stick around. Can’t wait for the end of next season and Knapp preaching how the 3rd year in the system will generate better results.
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Oh yeah the whole crappy staff is coming back and another season will be wasted.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Says here GB has the 2nd best Oline in the League
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2012&seasonType=REG
December 18th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
stablersbeard Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
I think they settled because he was the guy they could get at the time.
I don’t think they had any illusions of being a good team this year.
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I’ve said this from like game three on until just recently… NOW they seem to care about winning.
But then not cutting bait with Seymour makes zero sense.
They had to know he was at the end of his rope… they kept him for his leadership, IMO.
Thats one hell of an expensive teacher for a team going nowhere.
This is a difficult franchise to figure out since Al died. Before it was easy. He did everything he could think of to win THAT YEAR. To the teams detriment at times, but I don’t blame him. I’d prolly do the same thing.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Bergstrom should be getting his shot at RT from here on out. Don’t know what this crappy staff is doing this late in the year.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Says here GB has the 2nd best Oline in the League
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2012&seasonType=REG
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That does surprise me with the number of sacks Rodgers has taken.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Gdog Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
-RB? By committee and they do just fine. If we were modeling after GB than we are fine with Stewart and Goodson actually which makes DMAC expendable for a trade for a 2nd rounder?
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Thats a very interesting point. It could happen. I HATED the McF draft pick, but he has grown on me enough to pull for him. I think he is just trying too hard, frustrated with the injuries… no patience. He has all the tools to be an elite RB, and we saw glimpses of that last year.
A change of scenery might do him good, and I would root for him on another team outside the AFCW.
GB never did put much emphasis in the RB… if McK got a 2nd rounder for McF, I bet he’d snap at it.
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Of course McK would snap it up if a team gives him a 2nd for DMC.
Jets, Dallas and Green Bay should be the teams McK talks to to try and get a 2nd rounder from.
Dallas has Murray, but nothing else and Jones might want DMC that badly. The Arkansas connection.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
The entire franchise was rebuilt from the top down. Every last detail had to be implemented.
It wasn’t simply hiring a new head coach. They pretty much started a whole new franchise from scratch. Probably started using different pencils and paper clips, for all I know.
I never figured them for more than 6 wins in the best case and 2 wins in the worst case.
This off season and next season will begin to tell the story of where we’re headed, I think.
I really don’t think Knapp has a place in it. I’m hoping he was only a 1 year stop-gap.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
I don’t think Knapp comes back next year. I’ve always felt like they kind of settled on him due to the late start on the search and the fact that they were refused permission to talk with other, higher priority candidates. I could be way off base.
I hope he was just a stop-gap. They needed a guy in that position.
It never seemed like they really started out seeking Knapp.
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At that point though, why not just keep Saunders as the OC and not move him to some ambiguous role? Keep the continuity of progress instead of going back to the scrap heap that was the offense 3 years ago. Who better to run the offense for a rookie, defensive minded coach than one of the guys who helped bring out the best offense we’ve seen in years? Do you remember how crazy last year was? We had an offensive line that was consistent for most of the year. We had young WRs making plays. We had McFadden look better than he ever has (and then get hurt). We had Bush running well until he sputtered out. We weren’t the Pats, but there was a glimmer of light in the distance. Then we bumped into DA in the cave tunnels and we followed him back into the cave because the light was beginning to hurt his eyes.
A part of me can’t help but think that somewhere Knapp has a picture of DA on the business end of a glory hole at a truck stop outside of New Orleans.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Says here GB has the 2nd best Oline in the League
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2012&seasonType=REG
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I think they are ranking that worst to first now that i look at it. By MOST sacked to least.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
rediaR Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
I don’t think Knapp comes back next year. I’ve always felt like they kind of settled on him due to the late start on the search and the fact that they were refused permission to talk with other, higher priority candidates. I could be way off base.
I hope he was just a stop-gap. They needed a guy in that position.
It never seemed like they really started out seeking Knapp.
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At that point though, why not just keep Saunders as the OC and not move him to some ambiguous role? Keep the continuity of progress instead of going back to the scrap heap that was the offense 3 years ago. Who better to run the offense for a rookie, defensive minded coach than one of the guys who helped bring out the best offense we’ve seen in years? Do you remember how crazy last year was? We had an offensive line that was consistent for most of the year. We had young WRs making plays. We had McFadden look better than he ever has (and then get hurt). We had Bush running well until he sputtered out. We weren’t the Pats, but there was a glimmer of light in the distance. Then we bumped into DA in the cave tunnels and we followed him back into the cave because the light was beginning to hurt his eyes.
A part of me can’t help but think that somewhere Knapp has a picture of DA on the business end of a glory hole at a truck stop outside of New Orleans.
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I know…crazy huh?
Hue said they were going to gut the place and they sure did.
I’m sure McK told Davis that the next two seasons will be terrible.
Davis said that is fine do what you have to do and start by getting rid of Hue who scared him.
Crazy!
December 18th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
So tim tebow is gonna ask for a trade.. per NY reports.
HMM Dennis Allen /Tebow did work good together. They both one a Playoff game. One more then the Raiders have the last ten years.
Im not saying Tebow is better then Palmer cuz he is not. But he also can control the game with the run and couple passes deep when he needs to. Raiders dont win Shootout type games. We need to run.
How awesome would it be if somehow Tebow ended up on the Raiders and came back to Get denver 2x a year? and those denver fans would be sad i bet lol. Reggie Make it happen!!
December 18th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
I knew this team would regress once Hue was let go.
Then when DA was hired I knew it could be bad, if he didn’t keep the same offensive system and if he didn’t hire a good experienced DC to help him.
After Knapp was allowed to come in and change everything and DA then hires a young inexperienced DC in Tarver and then gets rid of Bones.
I knew this team would stink.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
I don’t think McFadden will draw a 2nd rounder from anyone. Maybe Jones, because he’s nuts.
I’d think he’d bring maybe a 3rd, or a 4th and a 6th.
Something like that.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
I dislike Tebow more than the Broncos. I think my brain would completely shut it out. I would forget that football exists and go deaf/blind whenever the subject comes up. Now that I think of it, sounds better than the last 10 years.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Guys its best come to accept. DA is coming back next year. Sucks but no gruden this year.
However maybe Mark told him to wait a year and see what happens? or maybe mark will bring him in front office?
either way DA will be back.. Mark is not gonna pay him to leave after 1 year. Oh well. Hopefully we get better.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
“At that point though, why not just keep Saunders as the OC and not move him to some ambiguous role?”
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Now, THAT’S a question I’ve asked myself several million times.
Still don’t have an answer.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
The media giving this staff an “A” for coaching is quite laughable. Of course, they gave them a “B” against the Donkos. You mediots can remove your tongues from T!ts’s backside anytime now.
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Who gave this staff an A??
Yeah the local media is definitely giving their boy DA a pass….since they sure as heck didn’t give Hue a pass after doing more in his first year as head coach than DA will do in his two years here. haha
What a freakin joke!
December 18th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
U wouldnt be saying that about tebow if he led u to the playoffs.
dont gimme this one play at a time too. A team is gonna have to commit to tebow. But reports are Dennis Allen likes tim tebow. Take that for what its worth. I doubt raiders would trade for him tho.
so dont worry
December 18th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Says here GB has the 2nd best Oline in the League
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2012&seasonType=REG
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I think they are ranking that worst to first now that i look at it. By MOST sacked to least.
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They had the Raiders at #5 last year.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
U wouldnt be saying that about tebow if he led u to the playoffs.
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You are right. I wouldn’t know about it because I’d be deaf and blind whenever the subject came up.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Who cares about this team.
An utter turn off.
This team is not going anywhere with this crap coaching staff.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
“At that point though, why not just keep Saunders as the OC and not move him to some ambiguous role?”
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Now, THAT’S a question I’ve asked myself several million times.
Still don’t have an answer.
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He says he doesn’t have the energy for that anymore. Somebody tried to hire him this year. He turned it down.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 17th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
The media giving this staff an “A” for coaching is quite laughable. Of course, they gave them a “B” against the Donkos. You mediots can remove your tongues from T!ts’s backside anytime now.
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Who gave this staff an A??
Yeah the local media is definitely giving their boy DA a pass….since they sure as heck didn’t give Hue a pass after doing more in his first year as head coach than DA will do in his two years here. haha
What a freakin joke!
December 18th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
And, McFadden is due $5.8m next year.
That’ll cut down the trade value a little.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Also, with Allen telling CNBC how he doesn’t want a QB controversy like there was in Denver, by not playing Pryor legitimately enough for true evaluation, you don’t think Mark Davis will hear that and get pissed? And, if Reggie isn’t a snake in the grass, and genuinely wanted to evaluate Pryor more extensively, you don’t think he’d be pissed off too?
Allen is thumbing his nose at Mark, like Kiffin did with Al.
Also, the way Allen said “we’re no longer gonna draft athletes”….he knows he doesn’t make the call, Reggie does, so him saying that he’s being a mouthpiece for Reggie. Meaning Reggie and Allen must be in cahoots therefore in limiting Pryor as mentioned above, and you don’t think Mark will be pissed off?
It’s not just the whole Pryor deal, but the way they’ve clearly set about ostracizing a certain bunch of Al’s players, not giving them a legitimate chance to show anything. Like Taiwan, Ausberry, Chekwa too.
Reggie/Allen also can’t cut anyone without first the daily discussion and okay from Mark. Just like it works in all 32 NFL organizations. If Mark likes those mentioned above, and sees this prejudice against Al players and attempt to discard them without truly ever evaluating then he may be forced to fire one or both of them.
Lastly, from the day they were all hired, Reggie and Allen went on and on about accountability and genuine competition.
They’ve contradicted themselves in regards to this. Many examples of it, no need to go over them all.
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I keep tyring to tell people too much of what they do, raises suspicion IMO. Forget what happened in Denver if you see and know that Pryor is the real deal it is incumbent upon you to do the right thing. Not bury him so no one knows about it. The sane goes for the other players. Thinking everyone is stupid except you.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
“oolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
“At that point though, why not just keep Saunders as the OC and not move him to some ambiguous role?”
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Now, THAT’S a question I’ve asked myself several million times.
Still don’t have an answer.
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He says he doesn’t have the energy for that anymore. Somebody tried to hire him this year. He turned it down.”
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That’s a shame. Good asset to have.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
stablersbeard Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
And, McFadden is due $5.8m next year.
That’ll cut down the trade value a little.
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Yep. That is why DMC is not going anywhere for anything less than 2nd or 3rd.
There is some desperate team that may want DMC.
The Jets and Cowboys usually do desperate things to generate buzz more than anything.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
I think McFadden is gone. Either he’s gone or Knapp’s gone. I don’t think they can cohabitate any more. Especially after he blew after than lame stretch play on 3rd and 1. He lost 2 and flipped out on the sideline.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Also, with Allen telling CNBC how he doesn’t want a QB controversy like there was in Denver, by not playing Pryor legitimately enough for true evaluation, you don’t think Mark Davis will hear that and get pissed? And, if Reggie isn’t a snake in the grass, and genuinely wanted to evaluate Pryor more extensively, you don’t think he’d be pissed off too?
Allen is thumbing his nose at Mark, like Kiffin did with Al.
Also, the way Allen said “we’re no longer gonna draft athletes”….he knows he doesn’t make the call, Reggie does, so him saying that he’s being a mouthpiece for Reggie. Meaning Reggie and Allen must be in cahoots therefore in limiting Pryor as mentioned above, and you don’t think Mark will be pissed off?
It’s not just the whole Pryor deal, but the way they’ve clearly set about ostracizing a certain bunch of Al’s players, not giving them a legitimate chance to show anything. Like Taiwan, Ausberry, Chekwa too.
Reggie/Allen also can’t cut anyone without first the daily discussion and okay from Mark. Just like it works in all 32 NFL organizations. If Mark likes those mentioned above, and sees this prejudice against Al players and attempt to discard them without truly ever evaluating then he may be forced to fire one or both of them.
Lastly, from the day they were all hired, Reggie and Allen went on and on about accountability and genuine competition.
They’ve contradicted themselves in regards to this. Many examples of it, no need to go over them all.
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I keep tyring to tell people too much of what they do, raises suspicion IMO. Forget what happened in Denver if you see and know that Pryor is the real deal it is incumbent upon you to do the right thing. Not bury him so no one knows about it. The sane goes for the other players. Thinking everyone is stupid except you.
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It’s all weird and silly.
I’m willing to give McK a chance for another two years, but I really don’t give a crap about DA the existing coaching staff.
They are terrible!
December 18th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Saw some talk about MM34 above. Love that guy. He’s been playing great lately. I actually think his coverage skills are underrated. He gave up a contested TD to Gates in the finale last year and most of the semis went crazy on him for some reason. As if that was Gates’ first TD.
I think a lot of it has to do with the Mayocks and Kipers panning the pick because they didn’t study him. But I’ve seen MM34 do a bang up job on TEs when asked. Held Jimmy Graham in check when Branch was out earlier this year (though Graham did get a cheaply TD on a blown coverage by Burris).
I love the kids passion, his tackling ability and his aggression. He’s a player. I don’t think Branch is bad, but I wouldn’t mind one bit if we let him walk, save about $5 mil in cap space and finally give MM34 a shot at the starting gig.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
My sources tell me Knapp is leaving and Norv coming back as OC,..hes real tight with Palmer,..neighbors, friends,..I see it working. You can thank me and my sources for this one,..wont be official for about a month. Yup….one outside chance of Alex Smith comign here as well,..Norv did wonders for him in SF. Go Warriors.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
“Gruden is putting the smoke signals out there. Not retracting anything. Could even be working his contacts to get stuff leaked. I think he clearly wants back in.”
If JG wants back into coaching an NFL team, why would he want that team to be the Raiders? Others can pay him more. Others have more talent. Others have a better stadium with better facilities.
Why this team?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Jon isnt returning,..sadly,..I got it from the CEO…time to move on…Im bummed.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Chris and everyone in here listen we cannot let players walk. You have to add to the talent we have, you cannot be a good team on the cheap……..it’s impossible. I’m not challenging you Chris I’m just saying it seems any player no matter how good they are if they’re making a significant amount of money fans want to get rid of them for picks…
You must realize players get paid on every team you wont have a competitive team trying measle eevryone down to some $$$ slot. It doesn’t work every team has out of whack contracts because players aren’t robots.
NOt bagging on you at all Chris I just read this way too much in here. No player is worth the money they get paid unless he is a draw at the GATE! There’s only a few of those.
Reggie has to decide right or wrong who gets paid. They even want to trade DMC because he makes $6 mill or whatever it’s crazy talk man a certain % of your roster SHOULD be making significant $$$ if you have any idea what you’re doing as a GM. If none of your players make great money it tells me YOU SUCK as a GM…………..period
December 18th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
McFadden is averaging 147 carries for about 650 yds for his career.
No way any team gives up a 2nd for him, given his injury history.
He’s had one good year and a good half year. 3rd round value tops.
More likely a 4th and a 6th or 7th. RBs just don’t have that much value anymore.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Allen in no way even being considered being canned by Reggie,…Knapp is also safe if they cant get Norv here as OC,…Jets will make huge push for Norv too,…But Allen is safe,..and Im fine with it now that I got it from the CEO Jon isnt returning here.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
“My sources tell me Knapp is leaving and Norv coming back as OC”
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I could see that, and it wouldn’t pi55 me off.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Priest,..you want to call Uncle Gary tomorrow?….just say so, I will text P-Con, set it all up…but I want a public on air thank you,..show some gratitude man. Yup.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Chris and everyone in here listen we cannot let players walk. You have to add to the talent we have, you cannot be a good team on the cheap……..it’s impossible. I’m not challenging you Chris I’m just saying it seems any player no matter how good they are if they’re making a significant amount of money fans want to get rid of them for picks…
You must realize players get paid on every team you wont have a competitive team trying measle eevryone down to some $$$ slot. It doesn’t work every team has out of whack contracts because players aren’t robots.
NOt bagging on you at all Chris I just read this way too much in here. No player is worth the money they get paid unless he is a draw at the GATE! There’s only a few of those.
Reggie has to decide right or wrong who gets paid. They even want to trade DMC because he makes $6 mill or whatever it’s crazy talk man a certain % of your roster SHOULD be making significant $$$ if you have any idea what you’re doing as a GM. If none of your players make great money it tells me YOU SUCK as a GM…………..period
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With just two hours left, it’s official:
Post of the Day!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
To clarify my point great players make great money so if NONE of your players are worth great money then as a GM you’re only looking for untalented players because you don’t want to shell out big dough………who wants to follow a team of bottom feeders.
Get the players worry about the money second…….period
December 18th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Priest,
Yeah, you can’t go entirely cheapo.
Reggie knows he’s gonna need to spend big bucks on the right players from his time in GB
Reggie White was needed to get GB to the SB ..and win and he didn’t come cheaply; either did Woodson and they payed Favre plenty as well.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
But, If knapp is safe, they better not have anyone calling about the fact that I haven’t renewed yet, and do I want to change seats.
Just don’t waste your time.
I could see Knapp as a stop-gap expedient due to time constraints. I can’t see him as a conscious decision if there are options.
He’s failed everywhere and everyone knows it.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
I’m not sold on McFadden due to his health, but I think getting rid of him contradicts what we are trying to do as a team. We talk about how we don’t have enough talent. So the solution is to get rid of our most talented player and replace him with less talented players because they know Knapp’s system better?
So instead of coaching our most talented player, we adapt to Knapp’s wonderful schemes and use less talented players?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Allen is as safe as can be,..not getting canned,..matter of fact Reg thinks hes doing great,…Knapp however may be sacrificed,..but only if Norv can be brought here to work with Palmer for three years or so,…and maybe Alex Smith,…per my insider. Yup.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
It’s funny to hear people say DA doesn’t care about the team , but the guy came back to coach 2 days after his father passed away
December 18th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Wtf is up with Gruden ?? Alex Smith?? U freaking kidding with me ??? Tell me ur joking
December 18th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
We can get used without McFadden Reece and Stewart even Goodson has done good in this scheme
December 18th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Im hear to be real, post facts,..whether I get it from my CEO source or my other highly credible source. Yup.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
23-17 Raiders
December 18th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
The real question is why do you care so much about the Raiders, John? Never seen you here before
December 18th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Its Jon, not John,..Im here for me, not you,…you dont matter to me…Im here posting facts, you are here due to nothing else to do. Yup.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
stablersbeard Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
“My sources tell me Knapp is leaving and Norv coming back as OC”
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I could see that, and it wouldn’t pi55 me off.
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Norv as OC would work, that is what does best.
We knew this along time ago, that Norv is not a head coach.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Take Norv as OC ahead of Knapp any day of the week.
However, Norv gets caught up in predictable play calling mode also from time to time.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
If DA stays, then he needs to get Ed Donatell (SF’s secondary coach) to be his DC.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Long Live Chucky!!!!!!!!
December 18th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Why Norv when we have Al Saunders????????????????
December 18th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
BRING BACK CHUCKY GRUDEN!
GIVE HIM WHAT HE WANTS!
Then we will see this team get back to winning!
December 18th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Can you imagine a DA, Knapp, and Alex Smith combination…wow
December 18th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Rudegruden Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Can you imagine a DA, Knapp, and Alex Smith combination…wow
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lol. That’s sure to put the fans in the seats, eh? lol
December 18th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Hue Jackson might actually become ‘hot’ property again as an OC or HC because of what Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp have done this year to the Raiders.
Not only the record, the awful stats, the players not playing for the coaches, but also how they have failed to utilize the talent around them and create plays for the players, not force players into a system.
They’ll compare to what Hue managed to do in his two years previously.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
The lights failing and the projector screen coming down during Mark’s presser to welcome Reggie, in hindsight, was Al saying…
FIRE REGGIE
December 18th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Just got a hot tip from the inside from my hot tip. She’s quite a gal. Costs me an arm and a leg. Dinner, wine and some hanky in the panky ain’t cheap. But anyway, she says knapp is good as gone cuz Reggie wants to keep Darren Mac. D Macs tirade on knapp didn’t sit well with the brass. Said she overheard Mark and Reggie goin at it til Reggie caved (Mark loves DMac big time) and gave DA the ultimatum. However, DA stormed into Reggies office sayin he wasn’t going to dictate who DA could or could not hire. Apparently Mark comes outta nowhere holdin a chair like a baseball bat ready to let Allen have it. Some of the office staff piled on Mark and took the chair from him. But DA got the message. Reggie lost it for a bit cause at that time, a temp had brought back pastrami and cheese sandwiches for the office staff and Reggie specifically ordered ham and cheese. Poor fellow barely made it out alive. Mark was still screaming in the mean time about knapps futile offense couldn’t score if we started every play on the one. My source is amazing. She has a good ear for gossip and even gets some of the high level brass to talk. They don’t know she gives me the juice tho. Another thing she says, Reggie is so fed up with Mark using his private comode that he removes all the toilet paper from the loo so Mark has to scream for help after he gets done droppin a load. Everyone knows this so they clear outta offices. Reggie laughs his head off when he sees Mark shufflin down the hallway with his pants around his ankles. I guess Reggie has a toilet fit for a king. Another messy little nugget is DA likes to come into the office to hang around the water cooler to get a feel for how the brass feels about him. Well one day they moved the water cooler clear to the other side of the building so DA spent all day pacing the halls like he was making rounds. He finally found the water cooler but no one was there. Just a note that the staff reassured him they really liked him. My inside source also says look for the Raiders to go after Calvin Johnson. Him and Reg are pals. CJ feels they’ve under used him in Detroit and Reggie is gonna make a move for him like quick. Also, and second running back is top shelf priority. Allen is on his own to improve the D anyway he can with who Reggie tosses his way. But Reg is gonna be big time on offense. Whatever it takes to get Palmer to elite status level. Look for Saunders to be the OC, Wiz I to return, and there is even talk of bringing in a well respected and knowledgeable QB coach. Can’t say his name cuz it’s big. Might give away my source. She says it’s off the charts. Will bring in more info as I get it. Look for the Raiders to be big time players next year. Reggie is one pissed dude and he ain’t takin this season bent over. I’m excited.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Rudegruden Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
So instead of coaching our most talented player, we adapt to Knapp’s wonderful schemes and use less talented players?
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Yes, that appears to be the plan.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
I could see Knapp as a stop-gap expedient due to time constraints.
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You give him more credit than he deserves. Not even then is he worthy of consideration.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Boz Hammerhorn Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Just got a hot tip from the inside from my hot tip. She’s quite a gal. Costs me an arm and a leg. Dinner, wine and some hanky in the panky ain’t cheap. But anyway, she says knapp is good as gone cuz Reggie wants to keep Darren Mac. D Macs tirade on knapp didn’t sit well with the brass. Said she overheard Mark and Reggie goin at it til Reggie caved (Mark loves DMac big time) and gave DA the ultimatum. However, DA stormed into Reggies office sayin he wasn’t going to dictate who DA could or could not hire. Apparently Mark comes outta nowhere holdin a chair like a baseball bat ready to let Allen have it. Some of the office staff piled on Mark and took the chair from him. But DA got the message. Reggie lost it for a bit cause at that time, a temp had brought back pastrami and cheese sandwiches for the office staff and Reggie specifically ordered ham and cheese. Poor fellow barely made it out alive. Mark was still screaming in the mean time about knapps futile offense couldn’t score if we started every play on the one. My source is amazing. She has a good ear for gossip and even gets some of the high level brass to talk. They don’t know she gives me the juice tho. Another thing she says, Reggie is so fed up with Mark using his private comode that he removes all the toilet paper from the loo so Mark has to scream for help after he gets done droppin a load. Everyone knows this so they clear outta offices. Reggie laughs his head off when he sees Mark shufflin down the hallway with his pants around his ankles. I guess Reggie has a toilet fit for a king. Another messy little nugget is DA likes to come into the office to hang around the water cooler to get a feel for how the brass feels about him. Well one day they moved the water cooler clear to the other side of the building so DA spent all day pacing the halls like he was making rounds. He finally found the water cooler but no one was there. Just a note that the staff reassured him they really liked him. My inside source also says look for the Raiders to go after Calvin Johnson. Him and Reg are pals. CJ feels they’ve under used him in Detroit and Reggie is gonna make a move for him like quick. Also, and second running back is top shelf priority. Allen is on his own to improve the D anyway he can with who Reggie tosses his way. But Reg is gonna be big time on offense. Whatever it takes to get Palmer to elite status level. Look for Saunders to be the OC, Wiz I to return, and there is even talk of bringing in a well respected and knowledgeable QB coach. Can’t say his name cuz it’s big. Might give away my source. She says it’s off the charts. Will bring in more info as I get it. Look for the Raiders to be big time players next year. Reggie is one pissed dude and he ain’t takin this season bent over. I’m excited.
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God, this season can’t end soon enough. Retard sh1t.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Hello. I’m new here to the blog. I sure like reading all the Raider stuff. I just think next year we’re going to win it all. The big one. What ever happened to all the regulars in here? Hope we win the big game this Sunday. Thanks for having me here. We’ll chat back at yawl. G’nite. And don’t let the bed bugs bite. Holla.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
I could see Knapp as a stop-gap expedient due to time constraints.
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What?
December 18th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
RaiderSam, not my fault you wasted your time reading that tripe.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Palmer is widely accepted as one of the best deep throwers in the world.
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LOL!!!
In the Falcons game CBS opened up his first drive that he was like 1 for 25 on passes 20+ yards down the field, worst in the NFL.
I have never heard one person put Carson Palmer in the top of deep ball throwers. He floats them, underthrows them, and forces them into coverage.
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so stupid. everyone says it. one of the best pure passers ever.
did u see the throws to streater? picture perfect.
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Haters gonna hate. Those that have made their minds up about Palmer pretty much before the season started are incapable of seeing anything positive. I’d bet half of them would staunchly support an argument that Pryor throws a better deep ball than Palmer.
And here it comes ….
December 18th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Im hear to be real, post facts,..whether I get it from my CEO source or my other highly credible source. Yup.
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Source on Bro. Source on.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Why did Reggie Mc hire a rookie HC with limited experience to such a long and costly contract. Another clue Reggie Mc isn’t a very wise man.
DA was given a contract generally provided to proven coaches with track records of success. Not a rookie coming out of his first season a a coordinator of a 20th ranked defense.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
stablersbeard Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
And, McFadden is due $5.8m next year.
That’ll cut down the trade value a little.
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Yep. That is why DMC is not going anywhere for anything less than 2nd or 3rd.
There is some desperate team that may want DMC.
The Jets and Cowboys usually do desperate things to generate buzz more than anything.
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DMC for DeMarco Murray?
December 18th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Super Dawg Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
RaiderSam, not my fault you wasted your time reading that tripe.
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Son, you got better things to do with your time. Believe in yourself and your analysis.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
This season is a disgrace to the memory of the legendary Al Davis.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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Was there even a season?
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Our season ended half way thru the second game of preseason. Yup. ’nuff said.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
If DA stays, then he needs to get Ed Donatell (SF’s secondary coach) to be his DC.
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Best choice i’ve heard all year, but was unavailable, last year. It would be a short move for him (right across the bay)…but talent/scheme wise, it might as well be another galaxy.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Derek Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Why did Reggie Mc hire a rookie HC with limited experience to such a long and costly contract. Another clue Reggie Mc isn’t a very wise man.
DA was given a contract generally provided to proven coaches with track records of success. Not a rookie coming out of his first season a a coordinator of a 20th ranked defense.
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That is a head scratcher fo sho.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Priest,
Yeah, you can’t go entirely cheapo.
Reggie knows he’s gonna need to spend big bucks on the right players from his time in GB
Reggie White was needed to get GB to the SB ..and win and he didn’t come cheaply; either did Woodson and they payed Favre plenty as well.
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That would be Conner Barwin, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and Darnell Dockett.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
You think this season was rough inside this blog, wait’ll the off season in a couple of weeks. It will be a roller coaster.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Just don’t get Knapp. He absolutely insists on calling passing plays short of the sticks. Even if the damned sticks are only 2 yds away.
Don’t get that schit.
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u have said this many times and it has been explained to u many times. the deeper receivers are covered. it’s called a check down. but i guess u knew that since u once went to a practice.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Alex Smith to the Jets? Tebow to the Jags? Sanchez to the Raiders? Vick to the Bills? Rivers to the Chiefs? Wow…..
December 18th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
This season is a disgrace to the memory of the legendary Al Davis.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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would u shut the fu@k up already? get a clue.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Just don’t get Knapp. He absolutely insists on calling passing plays short of the sticks. Even if the damned sticks are only 2 yds away.
Don’t get that schit.
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Totally agree. It’s called poor design and lack of imagination. Or stick ball. But it has been a main staple, fo sho.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
This season is a disgrace to the memory of the legendary Al Davis.
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Totally agree. A disgrace. No saving face. They stunk up the place. Such high hopes before preseason began. Then shazaam. All hope turned into a ugly reality.
December 19th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Priesttj12 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I keep tyring to tell people too much of what they do, raises suspicion IMO. Forget what happened in Denver if you see and know that Pryor is the real deal it is incumbent upon you to do the right thing. Not bury him so no one knows about it. The sane goes for the other players. Thinking everyone is stupid except you.
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it’s because they DON’T see that he’s the real deal. get it thru ur head.
it’s perfect. ur accusing others of “thinking everyone is stupid except u”.
u said it pal!
December 19th, 2012 at 12:07 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Allen in no way even being considered being canned by Reggie,…Knapp is also safe if they cant get Norv here as OC,…Jets will make huge push for Norv too,…But Allen is safe,..and Im fine with it now that I got it from the CEO Jon isnt returning here.
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for crying out loud. u expect anyone to buy this?
December 19th, 2012 at 12:22 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 19th, 2012 at 12:07 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 18th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Allen in no way even being considered being canned by Reggie,…Knapp is also safe if they cant get Norv here as OC,…Jets will make huge push for Norv too,…But Allen is safe,..and Im fine with it now that I got it from the CEO Jon isnt returning here.
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for crying out loud. u expect anyone to buy this?
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I’m buyin it.
Makes per