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Kuechly what Raiders thought they had in McClain

By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, December 19th, 2012 at 3:50 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The player the Raiders envisioned as the leader of their defense for years will be on full display Sunday, when the Raiders play the Carolina Panthers. Problem is, that player will be the one in the middle of the Panthers defense and not Rolando McClain.
Panthers rookie Luke Kuechly has developed into everything the Raiders hoped for when they selected McClain with the eighth pick of the 2010 NFL draft. Kuechly arrived this season as the No. 9 pick in this year’s draft out of Boston College, and he wasted little time in returning huge dividends.
“He’s all over the place,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said. “He made every play in college and he’s making a ton of them here in the NFL. He’s a really good football player. He’s instinctive; he’s fast; he’s athletic. He plays extremely hard.”
Kuechly leads the Panthers with 139 tackles, including an NFL-best three games in which he posted 15 or more tackles. Meanwhile, McClain likely will be on the sideline, inactive for a second straight game, as the Raiders decide how to proceed with a player that has failed to mature into a reliable player.
“A guy comes in and becomes your star middle linebacker, and he has to step up and become that leader, and that’s exactly what Luke has done for us on the defensive side,” Panthers coach Ron Rivera said of Kuechly in a conference call with Bay Area media. “He has stepped up, become that leader. He understands the responsibility of being the Mike linebacker, the middle linebacker.
“When you’re that guy in the inside that everybody is looking to, Luke has the answers. Part of it has been his upbringing, his training as a football player. He understands the game itself, so that’s another key element that he has going for him. Not only is he a good athlete and a good football player, but he’s a smart football player.”
That’s what the Raiders thought they were getting in McClain, a standout at Alabama. Both won the Butkus Award as the nation’s top collegiate linebacker in their final seasons.
Yet, Kuechly stepped in right away as the starter for the Panthers this season and played as if he still is in college. McClain’s play dipped so much that he was removed from the field in nickel situations after four games this season in favor of rookie Miles Burris and, ultimately, benched altogether in favor of free-agent signee Omar Gaither.
“I don’t know that we have that guy that just steps up and says that, ‘I’m the guy and I’m going to make all the adjustments for you,’ ” Allen said. “We’re still looking for that.”
The Raiders hoped McClain would be that guy. To that end, Allen and other coaches impressed upon McClain in the offseason to become more vocal and take on more of a leadership role.
McClain embraced the idea, to some extent, though he said he isn’t comfortable being vocal the way most middle linebackers tend to be. Allen said it’s imperative that someone on defense take charge.
“That’s big,” Allen said. “You have your quarterback on offense and you need a quarterback on defense because there’s a lot of communication that goes on defensively. Most places that you’re at, the middle linebacker is kind of the guy that does that for you.”
Kuechly said he learned in college the value of communicating. It also helps, he said, that he plays for a head coach that played linebacker and is surrounded by older players.
Even so, he added, becoming a leader is something that comes from the way you play and the way you conduct yourself, not by being a high draft pick and someone that is receiving a boatload of money.
“It’s one of those things where you got to earn respect from the guys around you,” Kuechly said. “At first, you can’t go in and act like you’re the head guy. There’s like a hierarchy, a totem pole that you kind of got to earn the respect of the other guys. If you can kind of do that, it allows you to maybe kind of lead the (defense).”
Kuechly caught the eye of Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer right away when Palmer watched tape of the Panthers games.
“He’s played middle linebacker and he’s played the strong side and the weak side,” Palmer said. “For a rookie to do that, it’s pretty unorthodox. There’s not a lot of rookies that come in and play multiple positions.
“He’s second or third in the league in tackles. To have those kinds of statistics as a rookie is something you don’t see. He has the stats but you turn on the film, he just shows up. He’s all over the place, harassing guys running routes. He’s always around the ball, making tackles and assisting on tackles so he’s a very good pick for them.”

– The Raiders and Panthers had each other on speed dial during the offseason, with Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie pulling off two trades.
In one, McKenzie sent wide receiver Louis Murphy to the Panthers for a seventh-round draft pick. In the other, the teams exchanged running back Mike Goodson for offensive tackle Bruce Campbell.
Murphy and Goodson worked out just fine for both teams. Murphy has 21 receptions for 274 yards and one touchdown in 14 games, surpassing his totals in all three categories for the Raiders in 2011. Goodson has rushed for 200 yards (6.7-yard average) and caught 15 passes for 187 yards and one touchdown.
“Louis Murphy has done a great job for us, he really has,” Rivera said. “He’s really helped us in terms of our deep ball threat. When Brandon LaFell went down with an injury, he stepped in and became our No. 2 receiver and he has been a good vertical threat. He’s made a couple clutch catches for us the last few weeks. It’s good to have him here.”
Rivera said the Panthers liked Goodson. It just became a matter of numbers, with Goodson being the odd man out in a crowded backfield.
“Our problem was we had too many running backs,” Rivera said. “We brought in a fullback/running back and we had DeAngelo (Williams) and we had Jonathan Stewart. So, rather than release a guy outright, we tried to get something for him. We feel pretty good about what Bruce Campbell’s done for us since he’s been here. We felt both teams made out well.”
Goodson said he is fired up about playing the Panthers, yet he’s also trying to maintain his composure.
“I am looking forward to it,” Goodson said. “It’s a pretty big deal. That’s my old team and where I used to be for so long. They decided to trade me here, so I’m excited to take my new team and go back against those guys.”
Campbell was a fourth-round draft pick of the Raiders in 2010. He struggled settling in at a position during his two years in Oakland, bouncing around from guard to tackle and also battling injuries.
The Panthers jumped at the chance to acquire a player with impressive size, speed and strength, even if Campbell is a raw prospect.
“He’s coming along very well,” Rivera said. “We have him working strictly as a left tackle. The unfortunate thing for him right now is, he is behind Jordan Gross. We told him, ‘Hey, you have an opportunity to take a step back, learn the techniques, learn how to play the position the way we need it to be played.’ There is no pressure on him right now. He’s looked good, he’s done some really nice things for us, he had a nice training camp for us and things look bright as we go into the future.”

– The Carolina game is Oakland’s final shot at beating an NFC team this season. They already lost to the Atlanta Falcons, New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers from the NFC South. The Panthers are 5-9, but they are in the midst of a three-game win streak.

– Count quarterback Carson Palmer and wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey as two more that think the Raiders aren’t in need of a major overhaul, just another year in the offensive and defensive systems.
Heyward-Bey said the pieces are in place on offense, especially when the Raiders get back receiver Jacoby Ford from his foot injury next season.
“Oh, yeah,” Heyward-Bey said. “I’m here, so I feel like I’m probably a good piece. We definitely have the pieces here. The thing about football is, you always feel like you can get better. So, I know Reggie (McKenzie) and D.A. are going to try to do that on both sides of the ball.”
Heyward-Bey is in his fourth NFL season. He said he has been in a different offense every season. The prospect of playing in the same system from one year to the next is enticing.
“That would be nice,” Heyward-Bey said. “It would be real nice.”
Palmer said offensive coordinator Greg Knapp warned the players that there would be growing pains but, given patience, things eventually would click.
“A second year will do wonders, obviously,” Palmer said, “and with free agency and the draft and adding players here and there, you’re only going to get better.”

– Raiders wide receiver Rod Streater is the seventh undrafted rookie since 2000 to catch as many as 33 passes his first season.
The six others are: Dominic Rhodes (34 in 2001), Selvin Young (35, 2007); Davone Bess (54, 2008), Blair White (36, 2010), Keiland Williams (39, 2010) and Doug Baldwin (51, 2011).

– Allen said Denarius Moore and Phillip Adams are among those working on fielding punts this week. Adams is returning from his second concussion, Moore is returning from a game in which he struggled with his decision-making on punt returns. Matt Giordano is another option.

– Goodson, kicker Sebastain Janikowski and the defense received game balls for their play in a 15-0 victory over the Chiefs last Sunday.
Janikowski declined an interview request. Goodson called the honor “huge.”
Allen said it’s at the point where he expects Janikowski to make every field-goal attempt. Why not? Janikowski is 29 of 32 this season, with his misses from 51, 61 and 64 yards.
“Yes, I do,” Allen said. “I think he does too. I don’t really care where he kicks it from. When you have a great player, that’s what you expect and that’s what he expects. It’s more important that that’s what he expects. So it’s a comforting feeling for me knowing that when we get across the 50, I feel confident being able to put him in the game and feel like we can make the kick and get three points.”

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  • The_Judge37

    papertiger418 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:33 am
    We’d have to get rid of Jano, though. That man has the devil inside him!
    ——

    He also has a 5th of Vodka, a hoagie and 3 24 oz beers inside of him.

  • DKnight007

    dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:10 am
    when’s the last time a MLB was voted player of the year? Teo!

    ^^^^^^
    Yup!

  • papertiger418

    I for one question Manti Teo’s need for speed.

  • RaidingTexas

    Papertiger418 Says:

    If we get Teo and Tebow, the Raiders can host Bible study every week, which would bring the fanbase closer together! Napolean Kaufman can lead it and everything!

    A new era of Christian Enlightenment. Raiders games would be so holy and healthsome. You could bring the family!

    —————————————

    And bring back Aaron Curry!

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    JP LOSMAN WAS BETTER THAN KEN STABLER ..SOMEBODY WAS DROPPED ON THERE HEAD AS A SMALL CHILD…GOOD GRIEF..

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Papertiger418 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Kell, we could get a super-stadium built in Salt Lake City, stat! It would look like the Mormon Temple, but it’s still better than the O.
    ————————–
    Let’s do it!

  • papertiger418

    Does Losman still play for the Vegas Locomotives or whatever? Maybe we should just complete the deal and fire Allen to bring in Fassel?

  • The_Judge37

    Tim Tebow reminds me of the Buddy Jesus statue from the Movie Dogma

  • papertiger418

    I always found an eerie resemblance between Tebow and Paul Ryan. It makes me shudder just to think on it…

  • The_Judge37

    papertiger418 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:40 am
    Does Losman still play for the Vegas Locomotives or whatever? Maybe we should just complete the deal and fire Allen to bring in Fassel?
    —–

    Or fire Knapp and have Allen “Ask Madden” on his X-box for play calling

  • papertiger418

    No; we fire Knapp and get some 12yd old bada$$ Madden player who’s hopped up on RedBull to put together gameplans and call the plays on Sunday.

  • DKnight007

    949.The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:35 am
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/manti-teo-will-be-a-first-round-pick-but-some-question-his-speed/

    Manti Te’o will be a first-round pick, but some question his speed
    Posted by Michael David Smith on December 8, 2012, 12:53 PM EST

    Notre Dame middle linebacker Manti Te’o has had a brilliant senior season and is a finalist for the Heisman Trophy, and he’s widely viewed as a first-round pick in April’s NFL draft. But he’s not necessarily viewed as a sure thing in the NFL.

    Albert Breer of NFL Network talked to several personnel people about Te’o, and although scouts like him, they don’t necessarily love him because some question whether he has the speed to be as impressive a player in pass coverage in the NFL as he has been this year at Notre Dame, when he had seven interceptions.

    “Speed will be a factor with Manti, because you’re gonna be in a position to cover backs and tight ends at that spot, and not just on third down,” one AFC executive told Breer. “Teams throw on first and second down, so you have to be able to run and cover. You don’t want liabilities in coverage in your base. I don’t think he’s a liability. Does he run well enough? He’s not speed-deficient, but with his play speed, in covereage, there are some specific guys you’d have questions about. Guys like Jimmy Graham, Darren Sproles, or the [Chris] Cooley or [Dallas] Clark types, those guys get separation. You might be worried about him there.”

    Knocking a linebacker because he’s not as quick as Darren Sproles strikes me as similar to knocking a cornerback because he’s not as big as Calvin Johnson, but the larger point is fair: NFL teams may be able to create some matchup advantages on pass plays by throwing over the middle and making the 6-foot-2, 255-pound Te’o drop into coverage.

    Te’o has had a lot of eyes on him while playing for the No. 1 team in the country this year. He’ll also have a lot of eyes on him at the Scouting Combine, when it’s his turn to run the 40.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    I find this BS. Who are these scouts?

    My guess is that they are scouts from the good teams in the league who will be picking outide of the top 18, trying to throw up smoke screens about Te’o's alleged lack of speed before the combine or workouts??

    They just trying to drop his draft stock so he falls to the good teams in the 1st round.

    Te’o will run a 4.70 at 6’2, 250 pounds and run a solid shuttle. He will be just fine, for you HWS measurable types.

    It’s all about getting legit FOOTBALL players on this Raider team….for once!

  • dr_robert

    The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:26 am
    >>notre dame isn’t it in the big ten.>>

    Yes, I know but the majority of the conference they play is the Suck 10.

    >>best player on the best team in the country>>
    Yeah sure. I wonder how Notre Dame would have fared playing in the SEC.

    >>best player on the best defense in the country. >>

    Again, the best defense? I think Alabama will have something to say about that. Not to mention the NT may be the best player on the D.

    >>he leads them in tackles AND has 7 int’s. very smart, very tuff, and a great leader.>>
    Whoopty doo. Sounds like you’re describing every MLB ever taken in the 1st round..In fact, sounds a lot like McClain.

    >>and u wouldn’t like a hall-of-fame MLB in the top 5?>>

    LOL! So now it’s automatic that he’s gonna be a HOF’er huh?….Give me a break. If that’s the case then he would be a CONSENSUS top 5 pick, and there wouldn’t be so many websites mocking him to go low. Not to mention scouts questioning how Teo’s game will translate to the Pro’s.

    Everybody agreed that Calvin Johnson was the real deal. Size, speed, production, etc.
    ***************

    they played 3 games against the big ten, and 2 of those teams were ranked.

    nix isn’t even the best player on their line. tuitt is.

    u said u wouldn’t want seau or singletary in the first round.

    he’s ranked #2 on kiper’s board and #7 on mcshay’s.

  • The_Judge37

    papertiger418 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:43 am
    No; we fire Knapp and get some 12yd old bada$$ Madden player who’s hopped up on RedBull to put together gameplans and call the plays on Sunday.
    ———

    That works too, then we wouldn’t have to resign Lechler because we’d go for it on 4th and 18

  • dr_robert

    Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:27 am
    Dr. Robrt, Are you wearing a JaMarcus Russell jersey right now?

    Aren’t you guy who swore JaMarcus Russell was a can’t miss prospect and insulted anyone who begged to differ?
    *********

    not a chance azzface.

  • dr_robert

    Papertiger418 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:29 am
    Nice job with Dr. Detroit, by the way!
    ********

    LOL. i go deep.

  • DKnight007

    948.KoolKell Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:34 am
    What an idea, Teo & Tebow!!!!! Wow! that Mormon marketing would be great in Oakland!!!!!

    ^^^^^^^^
    Te’o being mormon is irrelevant!

  • dr_robert

    The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:30 am
    Dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:12 am
    with teo, u get pictures of him going home and going to his sisters’ volleyball games and cheering for them. with mcclain (the dunce), u get pictures of him getting shackled and laughing about it.

    ==========

    Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwhhhhhh…May the good lord bless him. Let’s get Tebow in here too, they will be great role models for us kids!
    **********

    they would be.

  • raiderzmaverick

    Marks hair Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    This staff knows shìt about how to use or evaluate their players. Look how long it took them to discover reece.. tp isnt getting any practice reps. Hes working. With the worst bacup wrs in the nfl and taking notes..
    =================================
    They still didn’t discover Reece! Do you see him being used? It’s pitiful

  • DKnight007

    Trade Jano for a 2nd Rounder! Lol!

  • raiderzmaverick

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    papertiger418 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:43 am
    No; we fire Knapp and get some 12yd old bada$$ Madden player who’s hopped up on RedBull to put together gameplans and call the plays on Sunday.
    ———

    That works too, then we wouldn’t have to resign Lechler because we’d go for it on 4th and 18
    ============
    The pitiful thing is that our offense would probably be better with one of these “madden players” calling the offense LOL

  • dr_robert

    Papertiger418 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:33 am
    If we get Teo and Tebow, the Raiders can host Bible study every week, which would bring the fanbase closer together! Napolean Kaufman can lead it and everything!

    A new era of Christian Enlightenment. Raiders games would be so holy and healthsome. You could bring the family!
    ***********

    it would be fun. dave casper and vann mcelroy will be there.

  • The_Judge37

    raiderzmaverick Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:47 am
    Marks hair Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    This staff knows shìt about how to use or evaluate their players. Look how long it took them to discover reece.. tp isnt getting any practice reps. Hes working. With the worst bacup wrs in the nfl and taking notes..
    =================================
    They still didn’t discover Reece! Do you see him being used? It’s pitiful
    ——–

    Knapp hates anyone who gains more than 4 yards on a play. That defeats the whole purpose of a dink and dunk offense.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Te’o? We had a walrus, might as well roll with a manatee…

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    Knapp is Reggie’s boy.

    DA wanted to run the spread.

    FIRE REGGIE NOW.

  • jesusraiderjim

    DMAC Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:40 am
    CP3 is just serviceable. Not spectacular, not great, not garbage, just serviceable.

    ————————————
    I agree D but if Palmer wiil lake less money,we establish the running game keeping the D off the field, we shore up the D line, oline, D period. Get a good vet rec establish the running ……….NEVERMIND! LOL

  • papertiger418

    Anybody else think we should all chip in a get DA a training bra for Xmas?

    And a girdle for Reggie.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    what about mark? he looks like an oompaloompa!

  • The_Judge37

    I still remember in the 1st preseason game when Knapp split DMC out wide then threw him a Bubble screen that went for like 20 yards. That must’ve been a decoy to the rest of the league because it was never used again.

  • The_Judge37

    I think Mark Davis and Jim Buss should do a sequel to the movie Step Brothers.

  • DKnight007

    979.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:55 am
    I still remember in the 1st preseason game when Knapp split DMC out wide then threw him a Bubble screen that went for like 20 yards. That must’ve been a decoy to the rest of the league because it was never used again.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Oh I remember! hahahahaaaaa

    Your right it must have been a decoy to the rest of the league.

    Hilarious!

    Knapp is a pitifully bad retread.

  • DKnight007

    949.The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:35 am
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/manti-teo-will-be-a-first-round-pick-but-some-question-his-speed/

    Manti Te’o will be a first-round pick, but some question his speed
    Posted by Michael David Smith on December 8, 2012, 12:53 PM EST

    Notre Dame middle linebacker Manti Te’o has had a brilliant senior season and is a finalist for the Heisman Trophy, and he’s widely viewed as a first-round pick in April’s NFL draft. But he’s not necessarily viewed as a sure thing in the NFL.

    Albert Breer of NFL Network talked to several personnel people about Te’o, and although scouts like him, they don’t necessarily love him because some question whether he has the speed to be as impressive a player in pass coverage in the NFL as he has been this year at Notre Dame, when he had seven interceptions.

    “Speed will be a factor with Manti, because you’re gonna be in a position to cover backs and tight ends at that spot, and not just on third down,” one AFC executive told Breer. “Teams throw on first and second down, so you have to be able to run and cover. You don’t want liabilities in coverage in your base. I don’t think he’s a liability. Does he run well enough? He’s not speed-deficient, but with his play speed, in covereage, there are some specific guys you’d have questions about. Guys like Jimmy Graham, Darren Sproles, or the [Chris] Cooley or [Dallas] Clark types, those guys get separation. You might be worried about him there.”

    Knocking a linebacker because he’s not as quick as Darren Sproles strikes me as similar to knocking a cornerback because he’s not as big as Calvin Johnson, but the larger point is fair: NFL teams may be able to create some matchup advantages on pass plays by throwing over the middle and making the 6-foot-2, 255-pound Te’o drop into coverage.

    Te’o has had a lot of eyes on him while playing for the No. 1 team in the country this year. He’ll also have a lot of eyes on him at the Scouting Combine, when it’s his turn to run the 40.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    I find this BS. Who are these scouts?

    My guess is that they are scouts from the good teams in the league who will be picking outide of the top 18, trying to throw up smoke screens about Te’o’s alleged lack of speed before the combine or workouts??

    They just trying to drop his draft stock so he falls to the good teams in the 1st round.

    Te’o will run a 4.70 at 6′2, 250 pounds and run a solid shuttle. He will be just fine, for you HWS measurable types.

    It’s all about getting legit FOOTBALL players on this Raider team….for once!

    ^^^^^^^^^
    I still get a kick on how these alleged “scouts” are asking how Te’o can cover the Grahams, Sproles or the NFL?

    OLB’s will be asked to try and do that MOST OF THE TIME…..not MIKES/ILB’S.

    Give me a break.

  • DKnight007

    How about Reggie McKenzie go and look at Te’o's game tape, football intangibles, work ethic and character instead of basing their drafting on straight line 40 time?

    What a concept huh?

    Straight line 40 times are overrated!

  • jesusraiderjim

    Its the killer INT he throws at CRUCIAL moments of the game.

    ———————
    If we had a running game and better D and special teams, Palmer could take us as far as we could go! My only issue with him next year is mostly salary related.

  • BOKNOWS

    I heard a reputable football man talking on 95.7 THE GAME and I agree whole heartedly…You have to build the center triangle of your “D” first..DT-DT and MLB..They have to hold point!!….I like Teo’,Houston,and a player not yet on team for this….

  • jesusraiderjim

    papertiger418 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:57 am
    Here’s Romac #55 on the sidelines in his green beanie while Pryor passes. On the left side of the frame in the background:

    http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/Thursday-Practice-Photos/e8ef21ae-d977-46e9-9a25-38564f4276fe#75837c26-af95-494a-8e2c-a90cb9c357f1

    ——————— Nice pic

    At least TP6 is throwing it in the dirt! Yet? Looks like it has the potential LOL

  • jesusraiderjim

    Hmm…..

    I would still rather have Te’o ahead of Star without a doubt. He would be the new QB and leader of the defense. Stud LB, all heart with great work ethic and a good kid also, who would probably be a captain as well in his first year. Then look to add a fat NT type through FA or in the middle rounds of the draft.

    ———————————————
    This would work!

  • The_Civilian_James_Trapp

    Dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    >>hey played 3 games against the big ten, and 2 of those teams were ranked.>>
    That Michigan St team is 3-5 in conference play & finished 6-6. But like most typical Big 10 teams, they get over ranked.
    Impressive win against Michigan. Needed 5 INT’s to win by a TD against a Denard robinson squad. How did Alabama fare against them?

    >>nix isn’t even the best player on their line. tuitt is.>>
    So that’s another 1st round pick covering for Teo huh?

    >>u said u wouldn’t want seau or singletary in the first round.>>
    No I didn’t. I said I don’t want Teo in the top 5. And I said Seau was overrated as hell & Singletary was surrounded by studs.

    >>he’s ranked #2 on kiper’s board and #7 on mcshay’s.>>
    Oh well that settles it. Kiper had Mike Williams out of USC as his #1 overall in 2005. Now what was the knock against Williams? Oh right, that crazy speed thing. Should I list other Kiper failures as well?

    Didn’t McShay tell us how great Andre Woodson & Jevon Snead were gonna be?

  • The_Civilian_James_Trapp

    DKnight007 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    How about Reggie McKenzie go and look at Te’o’s game tape, football intangibles, work ethic and character instead of basing their drafting on straight line 40 time?

    What a concept huh?

    Straight line 40 times are overrated!

    =========

    That’s fantastic, but he has to sit there on and see how it will project into the NFL. We’re not playing a weak schedule like ND gets every year.

    Intangibles, work ethic, & character huh? Yup those traits are serving Tim Tebow quite well aren’t they?…Hell I thought McClain had all those things.

  • BOKNOWS

    987.jesusraiderjim Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    Hmm…..

    I would still rather have Te’o ahead of Star without a doubt. He would be the new QB and leader of the defense. Stud LB, all heart with great work ethic and a good kid also, who would probably be a captain as well in his first year. Then look to add a fat NT type through FA or in the middle rounds of the draft.

    ———————————————
    This would work!

    =========================

    Agreed!!!!!!

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    DMAC Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:01 am
    CP3 is cool w/ me, but not for 12mil or whatever he’s going to be making next season.

    *****************
    dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:04 am
    that’s not really that much for a golden haired hero===========================================

    Deserves that and our worship!

  • UCLA Raiders

    What would the record of Raiders be with Payton Manning as QB and not Carson Palmer?

    I say we’d be at 8 and 6 or 9 and 5.