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Kuechly what Raiders thought they had in McClain

By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, December 19th, 2012 at 3:50 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The player the Raiders envisioned as the leader of their defense for years will be on full display Sunday, when the Raiders play the Carolina Panthers. Problem is, that player will be the one in the middle of the Panthers defense and not Rolando McClain.
Panthers rookie Luke Kuechly has developed into everything the Raiders hoped for when they selected McClain with the eighth pick of the 2010 NFL draft. Kuechly arrived this season as the No. 9 pick in this year’s draft out of Boston College, and he wasted little time in returning huge dividends.
“He’s all over the place,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said. “He made every play in college and he’s making a ton of them here in the NFL. He’s a really good football player. He’s instinctive; he’s fast; he’s athletic. He plays extremely hard.”
Kuechly leads the Panthers with 139 tackles, including an NFL-best three games in which he posted 15 or more tackles. Meanwhile, McClain likely will be on the sideline, inactive for a second straight game, as the Raiders decide how to proceed with a player that has failed to mature into a reliable player.
“A guy comes in and becomes your star middle linebacker, and he has to step up and become that leader, and that’s exactly what Luke has done for us on the defensive side,” Panthers coach Ron Rivera said of Kuechly in a conference call with Bay Area media. “He has stepped up, become that leader. He understands the responsibility of being the Mike linebacker, the middle linebacker.
“When you’re that guy in the inside that everybody is looking to, Luke has the answers. Part of it has been his upbringing, his training as a football player. He understands the game itself, so that’s another key element that he has going for him. Not only is he a good athlete and a good football player, but he’s a smart football player.”
That’s what the Raiders thought they were getting in McClain, a standout at Alabama. Both won the Butkus Award as the nation’s top collegiate linebacker in their final seasons.
Yet, Kuechly stepped in right away as the starter for the Panthers this season and played as if he still is in college. McClain’s play dipped so much that he was removed from the field in nickel situations after four games this season in favor of rookie Miles Burris and, ultimately, benched altogether in favor of free-agent signee Omar Gaither.
“I don’t know that we have that guy that just steps up and says that, ‘I’m the guy and I’m going to make all the adjustments for you,’ ” Allen said. “We’re still looking for that.”
The Raiders hoped McClain would be that guy. To that end, Allen and other coaches impressed upon McClain in the offseason to become more vocal and take on more of a leadership role.
McClain embraced the idea, to some extent, though he said he isn’t comfortable being vocal the way most middle linebackers tend to be. Allen said it’s imperative that someone on defense take charge.
“That’s big,” Allen said. “You have your quarterback on offense and you need a quarterback on defense because there’s a lot of communication that goes on defensively. Most places that you’re at, the middle linebacker is kind of the guy that does that for you.”
Kuechly said he learned in college the value of communicating. It also helps, he said, that he plays for a head coach that played linebacker and is surrounded by older players.
Even so, he added, becoming a leader is something that comes from the way you play and the way you conduct yourself, not by being a high draft pick and someone that is receiving a boatload of money.
“It’s one of those things where you got to earn respect from the guys around you,” Kuechly said. “At first, you can’t go in and act like you’re the head guy. There’s like a hierarchy, a totem pole that you kind of got to earn the respect of the other guys. If you can kind of do that, it allows you to maybe kind of lead the (defense).”
Kuechly caught the eye of Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer right away when Palmer watched tape of the Panthers games.
“He’s played middle linebacker and he’s played the strong side and the weak side,” Palmer said. “For a rookie to do that, it’s pretty unorthodox. There’s not a lot of rookies that come in and play multiple positions.
“He’s second or third in the league in tackles. To have those kinds of statistics as a rookie is something you don’t see. He has the stats but you turn on the film, he just shows up. He’s all over the place, harassing guys running routes. He’s always around the ball, making tackles and assisting on tackles so he’s a very good pick for them.”

– The Raiders and Panthers had each other on speed dial during the offseason, with Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie pulling off two trades.
In one, McKenzie sent wide receiver Louis Murphy to the Panthers for a seventh-round draft pick. In the other, the teams exchanged running back Mike Goodson for offensive tackle Bruce Campbell.
Murphy and Goodson worked out just fine for both teams. Murphy has 21 receptions for 274 yards and one touchdown in 14 games, surpassing his totals in all three categories for the Raiders in 2011. Goodson has rushed for 200 yards (6.7-yard average) and caught 15 passes for 187 yards and one touchdown.
“Louis Murphy has done a great job for us, he really has,” Rivera said. “He’s really helped us in terms of our deep ball threat. When Brandon LaFell went down with an injury, he stepped in and became our No. 2 receiver and he has been a good vertical threat. He’s made a couple clutch catches for us the last few weeks. It’s good to have him here.”
Rivera said the Panthers liked Goodson. It just became a matter of numbers, with Goodson being the odd man out in a crowded backfield.
“Our problem was we had too many running backs,” Rivera said. “We brought in a fullback/running back and we had DeAngelo (Williams) and we had Jonathan Stewart. So, rather than release a guy outright, we tried to get something for him. We feel pretty good about what Bruce Campbell’s done for us since he’s been here. We felt both teams made out well.”
Goodson said he is fired up about playing the Panthers, yet he’s also trying to maintain his composure.
“I am looking forward to it,” Goodson said. “It’s a pretty big deal. That’s my old team and where I used to be for so long. They decided to trade me here, so I’m excited to take my new team and go back against those guys.”
Campbell was a fourth-round draft pick of the Raiders in 2010. He struggled settling in at a position during his two years in Oakland, bouncing around from guard to tackle and also battling injuries.
The Panthers jumped at the chance to acquire a player with impressive size, speed and strength, even if Campbell is a raw prospect.
“He’s coming along very well,” Rivera said. “We have him working strictly as a left tackle. The unfortunate thing for him right now is, he is behind Jordan Gross. We told him, ‘Hey, you have an opportunity to take a step back, learn the techniques, learn how to play the position the way we need it to be played.’ There is no pressure on him right now. He’s looked good, he’s done some really nice things for us, he had a nice training camp for us and things look bright as we go into the future.”

– The Carolina game is Oakland’s final shot at beating an NFC team this season. They already lost to the Atlanta Falcons, New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers from the NFC South. The Panthers are 5-9, but they are in the midst of a three-game win streak.

– Count quarterback Carson Palmer and wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey as two more that think the Raiders aren’t in need of a major overhaul, just another year in the offensive and defensive systems.
Heyward-Bey said the pieces are in place on offense, especially when the Raiders get back receiver Jacoby Ford from his foot injury next season.
“Oh, yeah,” Heyward-Bey said. “I’m here, so I feel like I’m probably a good piece. We definitely have the pieces here. The thing about football is, you always feel like you can get better. So, I know Reggie (McKenzie) and D.A. are going to try to do that on both sides of the ball.”
Heyward-Bey is in his fourth NFL season. He said he has been in a different offense every season. The prospect of playing in the same system from one year to the next is enticing.
“That would be nice,” Heyward-Bey said. “It would be real nice.”
Palmer said offensive coordinator Greg Knapp warned the players that there would be growing pains but, given patience, things eventually would click.
“A second year will do wonders, obviously,” Palmer said, “and with free agency and the draft and adding players here and there, you’re only going to get better.”

– Raiders wide receiver Rod Streater is the seventh undrafted rookie since 2000 to catch as many as 33 passes his first season.
The six others are: Dominic Rhodes (34 in 2001), Selvin Young (35, 2007); Davone Bess (54, 2008), Blair White (36, 2010), Keiland Williams (39, 2010) and Doug Baldwin (51, 2011).

– Allen said Denarius Moore and Phillip Adams are among those working on fielding punts this week. Adams is returning from his second concussion, Moore is returning from a game in which he struggled with his decision-making on punt returns. Matt Giordano is another option.

– Goodson, kicker Sebastain Janikowski and the defense received game balls for their play in a 15-0 victory over the Chiefs last Sunday.
Janikowski declined an interview request. Goodson called the honor “huge.”
Allen said it’s at the point where he expects Janikowski to make every field-goal attempt. Why not? Janikowski is 29 of 32 this season, with his misses from 51, 61 and 64 yards.
“Yes, I do,” Allen said. “I think he does too. I don’t really care where he kicks it from. When you have a great player, that’s what you expect and that’s what he expects. It’s more important that that’s what he expects. So it’s a comforting feeling for me knowing that when we get across the 50, I feel confident being able to put him in the game and feel like we can make the kick and get three points.”

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  • R8ER MIKE

    he needs a hug
    ***********
    or a bong hit !!

  • dr_robert

    DMAC Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:40 am
    CP3 is just serviceable. Not spectacular, not great, not garbage, just serviceable.
    *************

    carson palmer=#18 passer of ALL-TIME. right behind dan marino and right ahead of brett favre.

    people are making fools of themselves on here.

    when pryor plays a little and SSSUUUUUCCCKKKKKSSSSSS, u will be able to hear wind chimes in here. at least for a few minutes, before missdick declares how racist the staff is for not giving the coaching that they give white qb’s.

  • The_Judge37

    I am saying. some here think DA acted in a way harmful to the Raiders by not playing Pryor. I am saying that DA’s job is to win football games. Period.
    ——-

    Either way, DA is not doing his job.

  • DMAC

    Merry Christmas Raider coaching staff!

    Here’s your green beenies filled w/ baby schit!!!!!
    Courtesy of the Prez and my son.

  • hwnrdr

    DJ Johnny Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am
    I am excited about this game with Carolina.

    Mistic has thrown in all his chips betting on Cam Newton to humiliate us. Great fan huh? Always Raiders first and foremost; but seriously it will be interesting to see if the shutout was just a fluke against a horrible team or if there is some kind of turning the corner type of deal going on.

    I think its a little of both…we shutout a horrible team, but at least this time, a horrible team and qb (Quinn) didn’t look all pro on us, especially at home!

  • hwnrdr

    DMAC Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:44 am
    Merry Christmas Raider coaching staff!

    Here’s your green beenies filled w/ baby schit!!!!!
    Courtesy of the Prez and my son.

    Stick some batteries in there and it may explode!

  • MiamiRaider78

    dmac,

    I wish it was the smoke. it’s probably from reading this everyday;

    fire DA…Reggie Suckz

    FIRE REGGIE

    DA, worst coach ever

    FIRE REGGIE

    LOL

  • R8ER MIKE

    he needs a hug
    ***********
    or a bong hit !!

    **************
    or a gummer hummer !!

  • DMAC

    R8ER MIKE Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    he needs a hug
    ***********
    or a bong hit !!
    ======

    Or a thong w/ some chicks ass layed out in front of me.

  • papertiger418

    Don’t get your hopes up, but I think I may have found a photo of Romac in the green beanie. He’s mostly obscured by Miles Burris but it’s the best I could do:

    http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/Friday-Practice-Photos/e53c8d62-8c0b-4f76-9ff0-747dce297043#ee040ac4-2ce4-4c6b-af57-c806f337c8a3

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    DJ Johnny Says:
    I don’t know how good Palmer is. How can u really judge the guy based on playing for cinci-freaking-natti and the Raiders the last couple years.

    I think it’s clear that he is NOT “carry a bad team on his back and win anyway” type of good. Even the most zealous of Palmer guys would have to admit that.

    Trouble is, there aren’t many of those type of guys around and available.
    ===================================================

    He tried and almost succeeded last year. His play on defense was atrocious, but on offense he damn near did carry us, Int’s be damned. Who knew we’d long for an OL of Veld-Wiz-Satelle- Coop and Barnes? I swear, with Brisiel and Smith on the right side, I have a hard time figuring out who or what else to blame for our offensive woes.

  • hwnrdr

    R8ER MIKE Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:45 am
    he needs a hug
    ***********
    or a bong hit !!

    **************
    or a gummer hummer !!

    LMAO! Mike strikes again!

  • J Hill

    It almost hit him on the foot. I just watched it frame by frame from the endzone. What view are YOU using?

    ———————————————————-

    Taped the game, watched it 3 or 4 times right after the game when we were talking about it on the blog.

    I don’t have your view.

    What did you think of DHB route?

    Did the ball land a yard or so past DHB?

    Was the ball out in front of him?

    And by the way, I don’t think DHB had a chance in hell to catch that pass even if it was a foot higher. Fastball in traffic?

    Palmer should be the starter. AND we need a #1 WR.

  • dr_robert

    Rank Quarterback Rating
    1 Aaron Rodgers 104.2
    2 Steve Young 96.8
    3 Tom Brady 96.7
    4 Tony Romo 95.7
    5 P.Manning 95.5
    6 Philip Rivers 94.2
    7 Drew Brees 93.9
    8 Kurt Warner 93.7
    9 B.Roethlisberger 92.7
    10 Matt Schaub 92.5
    11 Joe Montana 92.3
    12 C.Pennington 90.1
    13 Matt Ryan 89.7
    14 D. Culpepper 87.8
    15 Jeff Garcia 87.5
    16 Otto Graham 86.6
    17 Dan Marino 86.4
    18 Joe Flacco 86.2
    18 Carson Palmer 86.2
    20 Brett Favre 86.0
    20 Trent Green 86.0
    22 Shaun Hill 85.9
    23 David Garrard 85.8
    24 D.McNabb 85.6
    25 Rich Gannon 84.7
    26 Marc Bulger 84.4
    26 Jim Kelly 84.4
    28 Jay Cutler 84.1
    29 Mark Brunell 84.0
    30 M.Stafford 83.9
    31 Roger Staubach 83.4
    32 Steve McNair 82.8
    33 Brian Griese 82.7
    33 Neil Lomax 82.7
    35 Len Dawson 82.6
    Sonny Jurgensen 82.6
    Eli Manning 82.6
    38 Jason Campbell 82.5
    Brad Johnson 82.5
    40 Matt Hasselbeck 82.2
    Rank Quarterback Rating
    41 Ken Anderson 81.9
    Josh Freeman 81.9
    43 Bernie Kosar 81.8
    Neil O’Donnell 81.8
    45 Danny White 81.7
    46 Troy Aikman 81.6
    47 Randall Cunningham 81.5
    Dave Krieg 81.5
    49 Jake Delhomme 81.3
    50 Boomer Esiason 81.1
    51 Warren Moon 80.9
    52 Michael Vick 80.7
    53 Damon Huard 80.6
    54 Jeff Hostetler 80.5
    Bart Starr 80.5
    56 Matt Cassel 80.4
    Jeff George 80.4
    Ken O’Brien 80.4
    Fran Tarkenton 80.4
    60 Steve Beuerlein 80.3
    61 Dan Fouts 80.2
    62 John Elway 79.9
    63 Tony Eason 79.7
    Kyle Orton 79.7
    65 Elvis Grbac 79.6
    66 Chris Chandler 79.1
    Alex Smith 79.1
    68 Byron Leftwich 78.9
    Mark Rypien 78.9
    70 Jim Everett 78.6
    71 Aaron Brooks 78.5
    Phil Simms 78.5
    73 Bert Jones 78.2
    Jim McMahon 78.2
    Johnny Unitas 78.2
    76 Jeff Blake 78.0
    Bobby Hebert 78.0
    78 Tarvaris Jackson 77.7
    79 Jim Harbaugh 77.6
    Frank Ryan 77.6
    Rank Quarterback Rating
    81 Jon Kitna 77.4
    Joe Theismann 77.4
    83 Charlie Batch 77.2
    Bob Berry 77.2
    85 Drew Bledsoe 77.1
    Jay Fiedler 77.1
    Bob Griese 77.1
    88 Ryan Fitzpatrick 77.0
    Bill Kenney 77.0
    90 Sam Bradford 76.6
    Gary Danielson 76.6
    Erik Kramer 76.6
    93 Doug Flutie 76.3
    94 Chad Henne 75.8
    Stan Humphries 75.8
    96 J. P. Losman 75.6
    Wade Wilson 75.6
    98 Steve Bartkowski 75.4
    Trent Edwards 75.4
    100 Steve Bono 75.3
    Scott Mitchell 75.3
    Ken Stabler 75.3
    103 Jim Miller 75.2
    104 Tim Couch 75.1
    Norm Van Brocklin 75.1
    106 Sid Luckman 75.0
    Vinny Testaverde 75.0
    108 David Carr 74.9
    Chris Miller 74.9
    Patrick Ramsey 74.9
    111 Don Meredith 74.8
    Brian Sipe 74.8
    113 Ty Detmer 74.7
    114 Jake Plummer 74.6
    115 Vince Young 74.4
    116 Craig Erickson 74.3
    Roman Gabriel 74.3
    Y. A. Tittle 74.3
    119 Steve DeBerg 74.2
    Gus Frerotte 74.2

    Rank Quarterback Rating
    121 Earl Morrall 74.1
    122 Kerry Collins 73.8
    123 Frankie Albert 73.5
    Hugh Millen 73.5
    Craig Morton 73.5
    126 Rodney Peete 73.3
    127 Daryle Lamonica 72.9
    Greg Landry 72.9
    Don Majkowski 72.9
    Frank Reich 72.9
    Mark Sanchez 72.9
    132 Ron Jaworski 72.8
    Tommy Kramer 72.8
    134 Tony Banks 72.4
    Tommy Maddox 72.4
    136 Bubby Brister 72.3
    John Brodie 72.3
    John Friesz 72.3
    139 Sammy Baugh 72.2
    Milt Plum 72.2
    Bill Wade 72.2
    142 Gary Hogeboom 71.9
    143 Quincy Carter 71.7
    Jay Schroeder 71.7
    145 Billy Kilmer 71.6
    Steve Pelluer 71.6
    147 Bill Munson 71.5
    148 Rex Grossman 71.4
    149 Josh McCown 71.2
    150 Terry Bradshaw 70.9
    Lynn Dickey 70.9
    152 Kordell Stewart 70.7
    153 George Ratterman 70.4
    154 Trent Dilfer 70.2
    Bill Nelsen 70.2
    156 Steve Fuller 70.1
    Vince Ferragamo 70.1
    158 Jeff Kemp 70.0
    159 Steve Grogan 69.6
    Pat Haden 69.6
    Rank Quarterback Rating
    161 Kyle Boller 69.5
    162 Joey Harrington 69.4
    Doug Williams 69.4
    164 Charley Johnson 69.2
    165 Derek Anderson 69.0
    Kent Graham 69.0
    167 Mike Tomczak 68.9
    168 Eric Hipple 68.7
    169 Joe Ferguson 68.4
    170 Charlie Conerly 68.2
    171 Dave M. Brown 67.9
    172 Marc Wilson 67.7
    Billy Joe Tolliver 67.7
    174 Tom Flores 67.6
    Richard Todd 67.6
    176 Jim Plunkett 67.5
    177 John Hadl 67.4
    178 Jim Zorn 67.3
    James Harris 67.3
    180 Archie Manning 67.1
    181 Rudy Bukich 66.6
    Jim Hart 66.6
    183 Tommy Thompson 66.5
    184 Steve Walsh 66.4
    185 Steve Dils 65.8
    186 David Woodley 65.7
    187 Joe Namath 65.5
    Norm Snead 65.5
    189 Dave Wilson 63.8
    190 Rick Mirer 63.5
    191 Bobby Layne 63.4
    192 Jack Trudeau 63.3
    Mike Pagel 63.3
    Mike Livingston 63.3
    195 Danny Kanell 63.2
    196 Vince Evans 63.0
    197 Bobby Thomason 62.9
    198 Ed Brown 62.8
    199 Gary Cuozzo 62.1
    200 Mark Malone 61.9
    Rank Quarterback Rating
    201 Bob Waterfield 61.6
    202 Eddie LeBaron 61.4
    Randy Wright 61.4
    204 Glenn Dobbs 61.0
    205 George Blanda 60.6
    206 Steve Spurrier 60.1
    207 Babe Parilli 59.6
    208 David Whitehurst 59.2
    209 Dan Pastorini 59.1
    210 Steve Ramsey 58.9
    211 Jack Kemp 57.3
    212 Tobin Rote 56.8
    Dennis Shaw 56.8
    214 Scott Brunner 56.3
    215 Jim Ninowski 55.4
    216 Randy Johnson 55.1
    Joe Kapp 55.1
    218 Cotton Davidson 54.9
    219 Bob Avellini 54.8
    Paul Christman 54.8
    Jack Concannon 54.8
    222 Jim Finks 54.7
    223 Zeke Bratkowski 54.3
    224 Joe Pisarcik 53.9
    225 Al Dorow 53.8
    226 Jim Hardy 53.1
    227 Dick Wood 52.9
    228 Mike Phipps 52.6
    229 Frank Tripucka 52.2
    Adrian Burk 52.2
    231 Lamar McHan 50.3
    232 Arnie Herber 50.1
    233 Pete Beathard 49.9
    234 Bobby Douglass 48.5
    235 Mike Taliaferro 46.1

  • The_Judge37

    I think its a little of both…we shutout a horrible team, but at least this time, a horrible team and qb (Quinn) didn’t look all pro on us, especially at home!
    ——–

    Man i guess i can give them credit for that. Better than limiting Trenton Richardson, but make Weeden look like Aaron Rodgers, then Limit Manning, but make Slowshon Moreno look like Adrian Peterson.

  • DJ Johnny

    844.DMAC Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:40 am
    CP3 is just serviceable. Not spectacular, not great, not garbage, just serviceable.

    I think he’s better than “serviceable”.

    The guy is the 18th rated passer of all time.

    But he has shown he is not good enough to take a bad team and win anyway…which is what a guy like Luck is doing now.

    W/o getting into a peeing match about Palmer where do we get someone better that CAN do that?

  • R8ER MIKE

    Or a thong w/ some chicks ass layed out in front of me.

    **********************************
    not to sure if Betty White still has the azz to wear a thong !! but he11 you know it works for me !!

  • MiamiRaider78

    Green beanie=Dunce cap

    Should have just sat him in a corner somewhere.

  • hwnrdr

    R8ER MIKE Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:45 am
    he needs a hug
    ***********
    or a bong hit !!

    **************
    or a gummer hummer !!

    Reminds me of that old NWA song….
    Gently put ____ in mouth and … HUMMMMMMMM!!!!

  • DennisAllensVisor

    So Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in NFL history…

    LOL.

  • DJ Johnny

    864,

    Sorry Dr. Rob. You beat me to it.

  • SR Raider

    J Hill Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:47 am
    Palmer should be the starter. AND we need a #1 WR.
    ——-
    And we need an OC that knows how to draw up routes. The decay all starts with Knapp

  • hwnrdr

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:47 am
    I think its a little of both…we shutout a horrible team, but at least this time, a horrible team and qb (Quinn) didn’t look all pro on us, especially at home!
    ——–

    Man i guess i can give them credit for that. Better than limiting Trenton Richardson, but make Weeden look like Aaron Rodgers, then Limit Manning, but make Slowshon Moreno look like Adrian Peterson.

    Agreed!

  • J Hill

    Palmer has made 3 bad throws ALL year!!!!!

    Get off his nutz already,

  • DennisAllensVisor

    And JP Losman is better than Ken Stabler…

    LOL

  • dr_robert

    DJ Johnny Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:47 am
    844.DMAC Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:40 am
    CP3 is just serviceable. Not spectacular, not great, not garbage, just serviceable.

    I think he’s better than “serviceable”.

    The guy is the 18th rated passer of all time.

    But he has shown he is not good enough to take a bad team and win anyway…which is what a guy like Luck is doing now.

    W/o getting into a peeing match about Palmer where do we get someone better that CAN do that?

    ************
    the colts are winning in SPITE of andrew luck. he is the #31 passer in the league. forget hype. know reality.

  • dr_robert

    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:48 am
    So Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in NFL history…

    LOL.
    ***********

    yes.

  • DMAC

    R8ER MIKE Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Or a thong w/ some chicks ass layed out in front of me.

    **********************************
    not to sure if Betty White still has the azz to wear a thong !! but he11 you know it works for me !!
    =========

    Just rip the granny panties up her ass super tight!
    There you have it.

  • DJ Johnny

    867.R8ER MIKE Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:48 am
    Or a thong w/ some chicks ass layed out in front of me.

    **********************************
    not to sure if Betty White still has the azz to wear a thong !! but he11 you know it works for me !!

    Hahaha. I love that Betty White stuff…That is hilarious.

  • dr_robert

    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:50 am
    And JP Losman is better than Ken Stabler…

    LOL
    ***************

    take a look at stabler’s stats. i love the dude but he wasn’t that good.

  • The_Judge37

    dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:51 am
    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:50 am
    And JP Losman is better than Ken Stabler…

    LOL
    ***************

    take a look at stabler’s stats. i love the dude but he wasn’t that good.
    ——

    Pretty good stats for a never ending hangover.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Stats dont win games.

    Points do.

    Ask GDog.

  • Dakota

    Palmer needs help.

    He needs an o-line that can give him time, and produce a running game.

    He needs decent WRs.

    He needs a defense that will not turn almost all of his turnovers into points for the opposition. he is going to gamble and lose the ball sometimes, but the defense just needs to stop SOME of those drives.

    Put Palmer on a decent team with those ingrediants and he could win a Super Bowl…..too bad we are nowhere near having much of that stuff.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Mr. Prez,

    Did you get it?

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Im out early today.

    God Bless. Even you trolls.

    Raider on.

  • The_Civilian_James_Trapp

    Dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:30 am
    would u take junior seau in the first round? mike singletary? cuz teo is basically a mix of those two.

    =================

    Go look at what Singletary had surrounding him and Seau was one of the most overrated players I’ve ever seen…I just saw 2 more mock drafts that had him out of the top 15.

    And why is he a mixture of those 2? Cuz he plays against the Big 10 schedule? That’s a gawd awful conference.

    And furthermore, this is top 5 we are talking about, not the 1st round.

  • Gdog

    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Stats dont win games.

    Points do.

    Ask GDog.
    >>>>

    Ha.. tell us again how Farve never threw any bad interceptions bro. I nearly had to pick my Viking buddy up from the floor from that one!

  • The_Judge37

    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am
    Stats dont win games.

    Points do.

    Ask GDog.
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    Not so fun fact: Greg Knapps offensive points and yardage totals drop in year 2

  • DMAC

    DJ Johnny Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    844.DMAC Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:40 am
    CP3 is just serviceable. Not spectacular, not great, not garbage, just serviceable.

    I think he’s better than “serviceable”.

    The guy is the 18th rated passer of all time.

    But he has shown he is not good enough to take a bad team and win anyway…which is what a guy like Luck is doing now.

    W/o getting into a peeing match about Palmer where do we get someone better that CAN do that?
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    Its the killer INT he throws at CRUCIAL moments of the game.

  • DutchRaider77

    881.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:52 am
    dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:51 am
    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:50 am
    And JP Losman is better than Ken Stabler…

    LOL
    ***************

    take a look at stabler’s stats. i love the dude but he wasn’t that good.
    ——

    Pretty good stats for a never ending hangover.

    ___________________________________________________________

    Crazy part is that when Stabler was QB it was ok to dive at the QBs knees, hit him in the head etc…Cannot imagine Brady being able to stand-up to the punishment that QBs of yester-years took.

  • DKnight007

    I like Star, but getting a two gap fat NT/DT type within the top 3 picks would be an ill advised move.

    You pick a top QB, top pass rushing OLB/DE, stud LB, maaaaybe a stud LT (even though I think that philosophy is overrated) or an elite RB (like AP) or otherwordly freak WR (like Megatron)

    Look at the DT’s/NT’s who haev been top 4 picks recently. No impact, except for Ngata and he was picked 9th overall I believe the year we picked Huff.

    2005 Travis Johnson was taken by Houston at 16. Where is he?

    2006 Ngata was actually taken 12th. He is a stud.
    Brod Bunkley was taken at 14 and he is servicable….I guess.

    2007 Amobe Okoye and Justin Harrell were taken within the top 16. They stink! Patrick Willis was taken 11th and by all rights could haev been taken 4 spots higher.

    2008 The year we took DMC and soem fo you were screaminfor Glenn Dorsey and Sedrick Ellis who were taken within the top 10 after we took DMC. Both of those guys have had no impact!

    2009 The year Al reached and took DHB. BJ Raji was taken two spots after. I think most of us agree we should have taken at least 6 players ahead of DHB in that draft. BJ is one of them….however, BJ started off good, but has faded the last two years. He is overweight and gets tired way to quickly to make an impact on play by play basis.

    2010 I think we all would have loved to have Suh be a Raider. Gerald McCoy? Not so much….he has faded. Suh has made an impact, even though he is bipolar and is not a leader. We took RoMac and of course he will be with the team next year.

    2011 Marcel Dareus has been a non factor on a bad Bills D. The Lions should haev stayed away from Nick Fairley….an underachiever.

    So there you go fellas. Is Star as dominant as Suh??

    Hmm…..

  • papertiger418

    Here’s Romac #55 on the sidelines in his green beanie while Pryor passes. On the left side of the frame in the background:

    http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/Thursday-Practice-Photos/e8ef21ae-d977-46e9-9a25-38564f4276fe#75837c26-af95-494a-8e2c-a90cb9c357f1

  • Gdog

    Dakota Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Palmer needs help.

    He needs an o-line that can give him time, and produce a running game.

    He needs decent WRs.

    He needs a defense that will not turn almost all of his turnovers into points for the opposition. he is going to gamble and lose the ball sometimes, but the defense just needs to stop SOME of those drives.

    Put Palmer on a decent team with those ingrediants and he could win a Super Bowl…..too bad we are nowhere near having much of that stuff.

    >>>>

    Well said. Palmer is not the problem here. We’ve been waiting for ten years for a QB this good and all people do is complain about him.

  • The_Judge37

    Crazy part is that when Stabler was QB it was ok to dive at the QBs knees, hit him in the head etc…Cannot imagine Brady being able to stand-up to the punishment that QBs of yester-years took.
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    I wish Kalif Barnes played in the Deacon Jones era, just so he could get slapped in the head on every down

  • Dakota

    Rockstar,

    I am going to kill you in the FFL Championship.

    Just a friendly FYI.

  • DMAC

    gOT IT o dOG

  • DMAC

    CP3 is cool w/ me, but not for 12mil or whatever he’s going to be making next season.

  • dr_robert

    The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:55 am
    Dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:30 am
    would u take junior seau in the first round? mike singletary? cuz teo is basically a mix of those two.

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    Go look at what Singletary had surrounding him and Seau was one of the most overrated players I’ve ever seen…I just saw 2 more mock drafts that had him out of the top 15.

    And why is he a mixture of those 2? Cuz he plays against the Big 10 schedule? That’s a gawd awful conference.

    And furthermore, this is top 5 we are talking about, not the 1st round.
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    notre dame isn’t it in the big ten. best player on the best team in the country. best player on the best defense in the country. he leads them in tackles AND has 7 int’s. very smart, very tuff, and a great leader.

    and u wouldn’t like a hall-of-fame MLB in the top 5?

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:57 am
    881.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:52 am
    dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:51 am
    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:50 am
    And JP Losman is better than Ken Stabler…

    LOL
    ***************

    take a look at stabler’s stats. i love the dude but he wasn’t that good.
    ——

    Pretty good stats for a never ending hangover.

    ___________________________________________________________

    Crazy part is that when Stabler was QB it was ok to dive at the QBs knees, hit him in the head etc…Cannot imagine Brady being able to stand-up to the punishment that QBs of yester-years took.
    ———————
    You can’t compare QB’s of yesteryear with today. Rules are so different.

  • dr_robert

    Gdog Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:58 am
    Dakota Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Palmer needs help.

    He needs an o-line that can give him time, and produce a running game.

    He needs decent WRs.

    He needs a defense that will not turn almost all of his turnovers into points for the opposition. he is going to gamble and lose the ball sometimes, but the defense just needs to stop SOME of those drives.

    Put Palmer on a decent team with those ingrediants and he could win a Super Bowl…..too bad we are nowhere near having much of that stuff.

    >>>>

    Well said. Palmer is not the problem here. We’ve been waiting for ten years for a QB this good and all people do is complain about him.

    *************

    fool! fools i say!