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Kuechly what Raiders thought they had in McClain

By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, December 19th, 2012 at 3:50 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The player the Raiders envisioned as the leader of their defense for years will be on full display Sunday, when the Raiders play the Carolina Panthers. Problem is, that player will be the one in the middle of the Panthers defense and not Rolando McClain.
Panthers rookie Luke Kuechly has developed into everything the Raiders hoped for when they selected McClain with the eighth pick of the 2010 NFL draft. Kuechly arrived this season as the No. 9 pick in this year’s draft out of Boston College, and he wasted little time in returning huge dividends.
“He’s all over the place,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said. “He made every play in college and he’s making a ton of them here in the NFL. He’s a really good football player. He’s instinctive; he’s fast; he’s athletic. He plays extremely hard.”
Kuechly leads the Panthers with 139 tackles, including an NFL-best three games in which he posted 15 or more tackles. Meanwhile, McClain likely will be on the sideline, inactive for a second straight game, as the Raiders decide how to proceed with a player that has failed to mature into a reliable player.
“A guy comes in and becomes your star middle linebacker, and he has to step up and become that leader, and that’s exactly what Luke has done for us on the defensive side,” Panthers coach Ron Rivera said of Kuechly in a conference call with Bay Area media. “He has stepped up, become that leader. He understands the responsibility of being the Mike linebacker, the middle linebacker.
“When you’re that guy in the inside that everybody is looking to, Luke has the answers. Part of it has been his upbringing, his training as a football player. He understands the game itself, so that’s another key element that he has going for him. Not only is he a good athlete and a good football player, but he’s a smart football player.”
That’s what the Raiders thought they were getting in McClain, a standout at Alabama. Both won the Butkus Award as the nation’s top collegiate linebacker in their final seasons.
Yet, Kuechly stepped in right away as the starter for the Panthers this season and played as if he still is in college. McClain’s play dipped so much that he was removed from the field in nickel situations after four games this season in favor of rookie Miles Burris and, ultimately, benched altogether in favor of free-agent signee Omar Gaither.
“I don’t know that we have that guy that just steps up and says that, ‘I’m the guy and I’m going to make all the adjustments for you,’ ” Allen said. “We’re still looking for that.”
The Raiders hoped McClain would be that guy. To that end, Allen and other coaches impressed upon McClain in the offseason to become more vocal and take on more of a leadership role.
McClain embraced the idea, to some extent, though he said he isn’t comfortable being vocal the way most middle linebackers tend to be. Allen said it’s imperative that someone on defense take charge.
“That’s big,” Allen said. “You have your quarterback on offense and you need a quarterback on defense because there’s a lot of communication that goes on defensively. Most places that you’re at, the middle linebacker is kind of the guy that does that for you.”
Kuechly said he learned in college the value of communicating. It also helps, he said, that he plays for a head coach that played linebacker and is surrounded by older players.
Even so, he added, becoming a leader is something that comes from the way you play and the way you conduct yourself, not by being a high draft pick and someone that is receiving a boatload of money.
“It’s one of those things where you got to earn respect from the guys around you,” Kuechly said. “At first, you can’t go in and act like you’re the head guy. There’s like a hierarchy, a totem pole that you kind of got to earn the respect of the other guys. If you can kind of do that, it allows you to maybe kind of lead the (defense).”
Kuechly caught the eye of Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer right away when Palmer watched tape of the Panthers games.
“He’s played middle linebacker and he’s played the strong side and the weak side,” Palmer said. “For a rookie to do that, it’s pretty unorthodox. There’s not a lot of rookies that come in and play multiple positions.
“He’s second or third in the league in tackles. To have those kinds of statistics as a rookie is something you don’t see. He has the stats but you turn on the film, he just shows up. He’s all over the place, harassing guys running routes. He’s always around the ball, making tackles and assisting on tackles so he’s a very good pick for them.”

– The Raiders and Panthers had each other on speed dial during the offseason, with Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie pulling off two trades.
In one, McKenzie sent wide receiver Louis Murphy to the Panthers for a seventh-round draft pick. In the other, the teams exchanged running back Mike Goodson for offensive tackle Bruce Campbell.
Murphy and Goodson worked out just fine for both teams. Murphy has 21 receptions for 274 yards and one touchdown in 14 games, surpassing his totals in all three categories for the Raiders in 2011. Goodson has rushed for 200 yards (6.7-yard average) and caught 15 passes for 187 yards and one touchdown.
“Louis Murphy has done a great job for us, he really has,” Rivera said. “He’s really helped us in terms of our deep ball threat. When Brandon LaFell went down with an injury, he stepped in and became our No. 2 receiver and he has been a good vertical threat. He’s made a couple clutch catches for us the last few weeks. It’s good to have him here.”
Rivera said the Panthers liked Goodson. It just became a matter of numbers, with Goodson being the odd man out in a crowded backfield.
“Our problem was we had too many running backs,” Rivera said. “We brought in a fullback/running back and we had DeAngelo (Williams) and we had Jonathan Stewart. So, rather than release a guy outright, we tried to get something for him. We feel pretty good about what Bruce Campbell’s done for us since he’s been here. We felt both teams made out well.”
Goodson said he is fired up about playing the Panthers, yet he’s also trying to maintain his composure.
“I am looking forward to it,” Goodson said. “It’s a pretty big deal. That’s my old team and where I used to be for so long. They decided to trade me here, so I’m excited to take my new team and go back against those guys.”
Campbell was a fourth-round draft pick of the Raiders in 2010. He struggled settling in at a position during his two years in Oakland, bouncing around from guard to tackle and also battling injuries.
The Panthers jumped at the chance to acquire a player with impressive size, speed and strength, even if Campbell is a raw prospect.
“He’s coming along very well,” Rivera said. “We have him working strictly as a left tackle. The unfortunate thing for him right now is, he is behind Jordan Gross. We told him, ‘Hey, you have an opportunity to take a step back, learn the techniques, learn how to play the position the way we need it to be played.’ There is no pressure on him right now. He’s looked good, he’s done some really nice things for us, he had a nice training camp for us and things look bright as we go into the future.”

– The Carolina game is Oakland’s final shot at beating an NFC team this season. They already lost to the Atlanta Falcons, New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers from the NFC South. The Panthers are 5-9, but they are in the midst of a three-game win streak.

– Count quarterback Carson Palmer and wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey as two more that think the Raiders aren’t in need of a major overhaul, just another year in the offensive and defensive systems.
Heyward-Bey said the pieces are in place on offense, especially when the Raiders get back receiver Jacoby Ford from his foot injury next season.
“Oh, yeah,” Heyward-Bey said. “I’m here, so I feel like I’m probably a good piece. We definitely have the pieces here. The thing about football is, you always feel like you can get better. So, I know Reggie (McKenzie) and D.A. are going to try to do that on both sides of the ball.”
Heyward-Bey is in his fourth NFL season. He said he has been in a different offense every season. The prospect of playing in the same system from one year to the next is enticing.
“That would be nice,” Heyward-Bey said. “It would be real nice.”
Palmer said offensive coordinator Greg Knapp warned the players that there would be growing pains but, given patience, things eventually would click.
“A second year will do wonders, obviously,” Palmer said, “and with free agency and the draft and adding players here and there, you’re only going to get better.”

– Raiders wide receiver Rod Streater is the seventh undrafted rookie since 2000 to catch as many as 33 passes his first season.
The six others are: Dominic Rhodes (34 in 2001), Selvin Young (35, 2007); Davone Bess (54, 2008), Blair White (36, 2010), Keiland Williams (39, 2010) and Doug Baldwin (51, 2011).

– Allen said Denarius Moore and Phillip Adams are among those working on fielding punts this week. Adams is returning from his second concussion, Moore is returning from a game in which he struggled with his decision-making on punt returns. Matt Giordano is another option.

– Goodson, kicker Sebastain Janikowski and the defense received game balls for their play in a 15-0 victory over the Chiefs last Sunday.
Janikowski declined an interview request. Goodson called the honor “huge.”
Allen said it’s at the point where he expects Janikowski to make every field-goal attempt. Why not? Janikowski is 29 of 32 this season, with his misses from 51, 61 and 64 yards.
“Yes, I do,” Allen said. “I think he does too. I don’t really care where he kicks it from. When you have a great player, that’s what you expect and that’s what he expects. It’s more important that that’s what he expects. So it’s a comforting feeling for me knowing that when we get across the 50, I feel confident being able to put him in the game and feel like we can make the kick and get three points.”

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  • dr_robert

    DMAC Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:01 am
    CP3 is cool w/ me, but not for 12mil or whatever he’s going to be making next season.

    *****************

    that’s not really that much for a golden haired hero.

  • Dakota

    Hmmmm,

    I have three spots to play 4 decent RBs….I know I will start Adrian Peterson, but which two of BJGE, Mike Leshoure, and Deangelo Williams do I play?

    Williams has been hot….and he is playing the Raiders defense…..

    I’ll check back in a little while for your advice.

  • dr_robert

    Rank Quarterback Rating
    1 Aaron Rodgers 104.2
    2 Steve Young 96.8
    3 Tom Brady 96.7
    4 Tony Romo 95.7
    5 P.Manning 95.5
    6 Philip Rivers 94.2
    7 Drew Brees 93.9
    8 Kurt Warner 93.7
    9 B.Roethlisberger 92.7
    10 Matt Schaub 92.5
    11 Joe Montana 92.3
    12 C.Pennington 90.1
    13 Matt Ryan 89.7
    14 D. Culpepper 87.8
    15 Jeff Garcia 87.5
    16 Otto Graham 86.6
    17 Dan Marino 86.4
    18 Joe Flacco 86.2
    18 Carson Palmer 86.2
    20 Brett Favre 86.0

  • dr_robert

    Dakota Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:04 am
    Hmmmm,

    I have three spots to play 4 decent RBs….I know I will start Adrian Peterson, but which two of BJGE, Mike Leshoure, and Deangelo Williams do I play?

    Williams has been hot….and he is playing the Raiders defense…..

    I’ll check back in a little while for your advice.
    *************

    i refuse to ever play a player that is playing the raiders. won’t do it. but hey that’s me. i love the raiders. can’t speak for u.

  • DutchRaider77

    897.DMAC Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:01 am
    CP3 is cool w/ me, but not for 12mil or whatever he’s going to be making next season.

    _______________________________________________________

    Totally agree, with all the rhetoric about having $30M in the bank and not needing to play football, I hope he takes a big pay cut to bring in a legit #1 receiver. Also a really good TE would be nice, double TE sets!

  • DKnight007

    I like Star, but getting a two gap fat NT/DT type within the top 3 picks would be an ill advised move.

    You pick a top QB, top pass rushing OLB/DE, stud LB, maaaaybe a stud LT (even though I think that philosophy is overrated) or an elite RB (like AP) or otherwordly freak WR (like Megatron)

    Look at the DT’s/NT’s who haev been top 4 picks recently. No impact, except for Ngata and he was picked 9th overall I believe the year we picked Huff.

    2005 Travis Johnson was taken by Houston at 16. Where is he?

    2006 Ngata was actually taken 12th. He is a stud.
    Brod Bunkley was taken at 14 and he is servicable….I guess.

    2007 Amobe Okoye and Justin Harrell were taken within the top 16. They stink! Patrick Willis was taken 11th and by all rights could haev been taken 4 spots higher.

    2008 The year we took DMC and soem fo you were screaminfor Glenn Dorsey and Sedrick Ellis who were taken within the top 10 after we took DMC. Both of those guys have had no impact!

    2009 The year Al reached and took DHB. BJ Raji was taken two spots after. I think most of us agree we should have taken at least 6 players ahead of DHB in that draft. BJ is one of them….however, BJ started off good, but has faded the last two years. He is overweight and gets tired way to quickly to make an impact on play by play basis.

    2010 I think we all would have loved to have Suh be a Raider. Gerald McCoy? Not so much….he has faded. Suh has made an impact, even though he is bipolar and is not a leader. We took RoMac and of course he will be with the team next year.

    2011 Marcel Dareus has been a non factor on a bad Bills D. The Lions should haev stayed away from Nick Fairley….an underachiever.

    So there you go fellas. Is Star as dominant as Suh??

    Hmm…..

    I would still rather have Te’o ahead of Star without a doubt. He would be the new QB and leader of the defense. Stud LB, all heart with great work ethic and a good kid also, who would probably be a captain as well in his first year. Then look to add a fat NT type through FA or in the middle rounds of the draft.

  • dr_robert

    i LOVE seeing mcclain in his green beanie. so glad they kept him around to humiliate him. dunce cap. awesome.

  • DMAC

    Bring on our new QB on the D!

    Te’o!!!
    Te’o!!!
    Te’o!!!

  • bcz24

    Gerald McCoy? Not so much….he has faded. Suh has made an impact, even though he is bipolar and is not a leader
    **************************
    Or is having his best year in the pro’s, definitely outperforming Suh this year.

  • dr_robert

    when’s the last time a MLB was voted player of the year? teo!

  • DKnight007

    898.dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:01 am
    The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:55 am
    Dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:30 am
    would u take junior seau in the first round? mike singletary? cuz teo is basically a mix of those two.

    =================

    Go look at what Singletary had surrounding him and Seau was one of the most overrated players I’ve ever seen…I just saw 2 more mock drafts that had him out of the top 15.

    And why is he a mixture of those 2? Cuz he plays against the Big 10 schedule? That’s a gawd awful conference.

    And furthermore, this is top 5 we are talking about, not the 1st round.
    ******************

    notre dame isn’t it in the big ten. best player on the best team in the country. best player on the best defense in the country. he leads them in tackles AND has 7 int’s. very smart, very tuff, and a great leader.

    and u wouldn’t like a hall-of-fame MLB in the top 5?

    ^^^^^^^^
    Crazy how people don’t see Te’o as a special talent.

    Bunch of weirdos.

    Get ready for the fake mock drafts and false rumors that will try and say Te’o is “too slow” to try and drop his stock so he falls to a good team in the late middle to late 1st round and he dominates! haha

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    Reggie should be forced to wear the green beanie until he gets the Raiders back to 8-8.

    FIRE REGGIE NOW.

  • DKnight007

    909.bcz24 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:10 am
    Gerald McCoy? Not so much….he has faded. Suh has made an impact, even though he is bipolar and is not a leader
    **************************
    Or is having his best year in the pro’s, definitely outperforming Suh this year.

    ^^^^^^^
    Tampa D still has problems.

  • DKnight007

    898.dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:01 am
    The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:55 am
    Dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:30 am
    would u take junior seau in the first round? mike singletary? cuz teo is basically a mix of those two.

    =================

    Go look at what Singletary had surrounding him and Seau was one of the most overrated players I’ve ever seen…I just saw 2 more mock drafts that had him out of the top 15.

    And why is he a mixture of those 2? Cuz he plays against the Big 10 schedule? That’s a gawd awful conference.

    And furthermore, this is top 5 we are talking about, not the 1st round.
    ******************

    notre dame isn’t it in the big ten. best player on the best team in the country. best player on the best defense in the country. he leads them in tackles AND has 7 int’s. very smart, very tuff, and a great leader.

    and u wouldn’t like a hall-of-fame MLB in the top 5?

    ^^^^^^^^
    Crazy how people don’t see Te’o as a special talent.

    Bunch of weirdos.

    Get ready for the fake mock drafts and false rumors that will try and say Te’o is “too slow” to try and drop his stock so he falls to a good team in the late middle to late 1st round and he dominates! haha

  • dr_robert

    with teo, u get pictures of him going home and going to his sisters’ volleyball games and cheering for them. with mcclain (the dunce), u get pictures of him getting shackled and laughing about it.

  • bcz24

    Dakota Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:04 am
    Hmmmm,

    I have three spots to play 4 decent RBs….I know I will start Adrian Peterson, but which two of BJGE, Mike Leshoure, and Deangelo Williams do I play?
    **************
    Stewart may be back this week I thought, if not Williams is a decent start, otherwise I’d roll with BJGE. He has been hot recently as well. Leshoure has faded terribly, not worth a start. AP will make up for it anyways.

  • DKnight007

    908.DMAC Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:08 am
    Bring on our new QB on the D!

    Te’o!!!
    Te’o!!!
    Te’o!!!

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Ah hell yeah!

    This team needs LB’s….for once!

  • REALLIONAIREB

    Dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:07 am
    REALLIONAIREB Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 9:41 am
    Dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 9:23 am
    REALLIONAIREB Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 9:21 am
    So the jets have bench Sanchez and will start Tebow? No…but Maceroy(SpellCheck) cuz they are officially out of the playoffs,to see what they have in their young guy at QB…Now can someone please for the love of God tell me why our Raiders haven’t figure this out???
    *************

    cuz they finally have decided sanchez sucks and will never start him again, that’s why. sanzhez and tebow will both be released. that’s how u do it. we have next year’s qb on the roster and he is justifiably playing most of the snaps.

    ——————————————————————————

    I’m not a Palmer hater by no means,but the season is done! And to be honesty Palmer has fell off as of late,idk his 3rd down percentage is but I kno through the 1st 3 quarters I kno it’s not good.Now in the 4th quarter he lights it up(WhenTheGameHasAlreadyBeenDecided)so why not give TP a few starts,I mean this team will move forward year after year Palmer will be gone in the next 2-3 years now if TP looks horrible cut him or change his position if he looks good bring Palmer to start next year and let TP continue to learn (AllieAronRogers)but if u cut him not knowin what he can do and he goes some where and be productive that will be another failure for this new regime cuz they have did nothing but fail when it comes down to picking coaches and players with the exception of Wheeler & Burris and his play as fell of as of late!!!
    ***********

    well, u just don’t really care about trying out the #3 qb when u already know who ur qb is for the next 2 or 3 seasons. he’s NOT A PRIORITY!
    ————————————

    Who in here thinks Palmer is a lock for the next 2 or 3 season me personally I doubt it,he been in this league to long for his pocket awareness to be so bad I kno he isn’t mobile but neither is Brady,Brees,or The Mannings but boy can dey manipulate that pocket when it breaks down,I’m not saying TP is our saving grace but to sit here and say he shld not be getting time in these hope the season hurry and end games is foolish so shld all the draft picks from the last two years its not just TP we gotta see what these guys can do and if they can’t get it done move on why waste roster spots if we wld have done that 3years ago we wldnt have known what we had in guys like Tyvon Branch he got a shot and has been one of the solid players for us…but if you say forget trying to develop younger players what do we have to build on because the draft is just a crap shoot and the only way u can tell if they can play is by playin them!!!

  • dr_robert

    Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:10 am
    Reggie should be forced to wear the green beanie until he gets the Raiders back to 8-8.

    FIRE REGGIE NOW.

    ***************

    u have been added to the green beanie brigade.

    missdick
    priest
    kell
    beech
    sullivan
    fangs
    hunter s.

    now u think about u’ve done and the company ur in.

  • dr_robert

    missdick
    priest
    kell
    beech
    sullivan
    fangs
    hunter s.
    jokefoshow—how could i forget?

  • The_Judge37

    bcz24 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:12 am
    Dakota Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:04 am
    Hmmmm,

    I have three spots to play 4 decent RBs….I know I will start Adrian Peterson, but which two of BJGE, Mike Leshoure, and Deangelo Williams do I play?
    **************
    Stewart may be back this week I thought, if not Williams is a decent start, otherwise I’d roll with BJGE. He has been hot recently as well. Leshoure has faded terribly, not worth a start. AP will make up for it anyways
    ——–

    Plus Lions will probably be playing from behind and not run much.

  • dr_robert

    is this the kind of blogger u want to be?

  • papertiger418

    If we’re going to keep Carson around (and I think we should, Campbell would’ve died behind the o-line in Week 3)the team needs to get him a #1 free agent WR. That more than anything else would help the O.

    The lines are the most important, but I think a good WR would make the most immediate positive impact. Carson may throw picks, but he knows what to do with a good wide receiver.

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    JaMarcus Russell.

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    u are not blogging.

    u know that, right????

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    missdick
    priest
    kell
    beech
    sullivan
    fangs
    hunter s.
    jokefoshow—how could i forget?
    Dr_Robert, Mistic’s btch.

  • dr_robert

    Papertiger418 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:16 am
    If we’re going to keep Carson around (and I think we should, Campbell would’ve died behind the o-line in Week 3)the team needs to get him a #1 free agent WR. That more than anything else would help the O.

    The lines are the most important, but I think a good WR would make the most immediate positive impact. Carson may throw picks, but he knows what to do with a good wide receiver.
    **************

    interesting position for the raiders.

    next year will be moore’s 3rd, and that’s the breakout season for wr’s. dhb is well…..hard to figure really. then u have 2 rookies who seem like they could be good. getting a #1 would be good but is it a priority? u heard it here first—moore may be trade bait for a good pick.

  • REALLIONAIREB

    I’m sorry I don’t put much stock in the draft and being an Oakland fan I shld not,but we really don’t know how these guys will translate to the league with so many late round gems and first round bust the draft is a crap shoot…hope ya hit 7 but snakes eyes is always on the dice!!!

  • DMAC

    Sign Bowe!

  • dr_robert

    Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:18 am
    u are not blogging.

    u know that, right????

    *************

    ur just solidifying ur position with that group. u need to think long and hard about spending ur life being associated with that type of riff-raff. i think ur better than that. but i can’t force u.

  • papertiger418

    Stop fighting! Remember your Hippocratic Oaths! For the love of God!!

  • papertiger418

    Men of your esteemed profession should know better than to quarrel with each other. What are you, Broncos fans?

  • dr_robert

    KoolKell Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:19 am
    missdick
    priest
    kell
    beech
    sullivan
    fangs
    hunter s.
    jokefoshow—how could i forget?
    Dr_Robert, Mistic’s btch.
    ************

    kell, maybe u should purchase a joke book or something. ask for one for Christmas. cuz ur attempts at humor just are very weak. it’s ok. being a comedian isn’t for everyone.

  • DJ Johnny

    923.papertiger418 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:16 am
    If we’re going to keep Carson around (and I think we should, Campbell would’ve died behind the o-line in Week 3)the team needs to get him a #1 free agent WR. That more than anything else would help the O.

    The lines are the most important, but I think a good WR would make the most immediate positive impact. Carson may throw picks, but he knows what to do with a good wide receiver.

    We can assume that Reggie knows the value of having good receivers…and LOTS of them if his time in GB is any indication.

    -Jennings
    -Jordy Nelson
    -Finley
    -James Jones
    -Driver

    ALL of those guys are sure handed, solid “go to” guys.

    They don’t have to be big names…just ballers.

  • dr_robert

    Papertiger418 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:24 am
    Men of your esteemed profession should know better than to quarrel with each other. What are you, Broncos fans?

    ********************

    he gives doctors like me, dr. pepper, dr. dre, and dr. detroit bad names.

  • The_Civilian_James_Trapp

    >>notre dame isn’t it in the big ten.>>

    Yes, I know but the majority of the conference they play is the Suck 10.

    >>best player on the best team in the country>>
    Yeah sure. I wonder how Notre Dame would have fared playing in the SEC.

    >>best player on the best defense in the country. >>

    Again, the best defense? I think Alabama will have something to say about that. Not to mention the NT may be the best player on the D.

    >>he leads them in tackles AND has 7 int’s. very smart, very tuff, and a great leader.>>
    Whoopty doo. Sounds like you’re describing every MLB ever taken in the 1st round..In fact, sounds a lot like McClain.

    >>and u wouldn’t like a hall-of-fame MLB in the top 5?>>

    LOL! So now it’s automatic that he’s gonna be a HOF’er huh?….Give me a break. If that’s the case then he would be a CONSENSUS top 5 pick, and there wouldn’t be so many websites mocking him to go low. Not to mention scouts questioning how Teo’s game will translate to the Pro’s.

    Everybody agreed that Calvin Johnson was the real deal. Size, speed, production, etc.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    REALLIONAIREB Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    I’m sorry I don’t put much stock in the draft and being an Oakland fan I shld not,but we really don’t know how these guys will translate to the league with so many late round gems and first round bust the draft is a crap shoot…hope ya hit 7 but snakes eyes is always on the dice!!!
    ————————-
    Yep, plus the Coaches and Org in developing draft choices.

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    Dr. Robrt, Are you wearing a JaMarcus Russell jersey right now?

    Aren’t you guy who swore JaMarcus Russell was a can’t miss prospect and insulted anyone who begged to differ?

  • papertiger418

    Dr. Robert,

    As far as our Wide Receivers are concerned, I’ve seen the Raiders duck the issue too many times while waiting for “potential” to mature. I hope our guys come to play next season but I’m not counting on it. I’m also not saying we do something half-a$$ed either like bringing in another Javon Walker (Greg Jennings). We NEED to get a proven #1.

  • raiderzmaverick

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    raiderzmaverick Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 7:38 am
    Last year our strongest part of the O-Line was a 2nd year player and a rookie on the left side. This year they both looked more lost. That’s wrong direction and is on the coaching staff. They preach patience and continuity, but they did the oposite when they came in here.
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    It’s unfair to expect Knapp to come in here and take over someone elses offense right where it left off. He needs to be able to teach what he knows to be successful under everyone but himself.
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    I wouldn’t say that. How many offenses and defenses dramatically improve their first year with a new coordinator. MANY. Look at Denver’s defense this year. From #24 to top 10. Look at Houston’s a few years ago when they got their Defensive Coordinator. From #30 to top 10. look at Indianapolis’ offense this year with new QB, new coordinator, lot of rookies etc.
    Knapp HISTORICALLY has not had successful offenses, even in his 2nd or 3rd years (and there’s reasons he hasn’t lasted longer than 2nd year in most places).
    And, despite his 1st year historically being bad, his 2nd year in the same place historically has been worse than his 1st year. Look for yourself.

  • papertiger418

    Nice job with Dr. Detroit, by the way!

  • jesusraiderjim

    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 9:39 am
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 9:35 am
    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 9:33 am
    I like how the debates always turn into personal insults when people have nothing rational or intelligent to say or any sort of rebuttle.
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    Your mom

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    Thanks. She’s dead. Along with my Dad. Few years after my brother & sister died too.

    God bless you man.
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    Sorry for your loss my man. LMFAO. No really I am soory for your loss!! ROFLMAO

  • The_Civilian_James_Trapp

    Dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:12 am
    with teo, u get pictures of him going home and going to his sisters’ volleyball games and cheering for them. with mcclain (the dunce), u get pictures of him getting shackled and laughing about it.

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    Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwhhhhhh…May the good lord bless him. Let’s get Tebow in here too, they will be great role models for us kids!

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    It’s widely accepted.

  • papertiger418

    If we get Teo and Tebow, the Raiders can host Bible study every week, which would bring the fanbase closer together! Napolean Kaufman can lead it and everything!

    A new era of Christian Enlightenment. Raiders games would be so holy and healthsome. You could bring the family!

  • DJ Johnny

    881.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:52 am
    dr_robert Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:51 am
    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 10:50 am
    And JP Losman is better than Ken Stabler…

    LOL
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    take a look at stabler’s stats. i love the dude but he wasn’t that good.
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    Pretty good stats for a never ending hangover.

    In his prime (1978?) Stabler was the top passer OF ALL TIME statistically.

    His stats plummeted when he went to Houston for a couple years and then New Orleans with Bum Phillips.

  • papertiger418

    We’d have to get rid of Jano, though. That man has the devil inside him!

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    What an idea, Teo & Tebow!!!!! Wow! that Mormon marketing would be great in Oakland!!!!!

  • The_Civilian_James_Trapp

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/manti-teo-will-be-a-first-round-pick-but-some-question-his-speed/

    Manti Te’o will be a first-round pick, but some question his speed
    Posted by Michael David Smith on December 8, 2012, 12:53 PM EST

    Notre Dame middle linebacker Manti Te’o has had a brilliant senior season and is a finalist for the Heisman Trophy, and he’s widely viewed as a first-round pick in April’s NFL draft. But he’s not necessarily viewed as a sure thing in the NFL.

    Albert Breer of NFL Network talked to several personnel people about Te’o, and although scouts like him, they don’t necessarily love him because some question whether he has the speed to be as impressive a player in pass coverage in the NFL as he has been this year at Notre Dame, when he had seven interceptions.

    “Speed will be a factor with Manti, because you’re gonna be in a position to cover backs and tight ends at that spot, and not just on third down,” one AFC executive told Breer. “Teams throw on first and second down, so you have to be able to run and cover. You don’t want liabilities in coverage in your base. I don’t think he’s a liability. Does he run well enough? He’s not speed-deficient, but with his play speed, in covereage, there are some specific guys you’d have questions about. Guys like Jimmy Graham, Darren Sproles, or the [Chris] Cooley or [Dallas] Clark types, those guys get separation. You might be worried about him there.”

    Knocking a linebacker because he’s not as quick as Darren Sproles strikes me as similar to knocking a cornerback because he’s not as big as Calvin Johnson, but the larger point is fair: NFL teams may be able to create some matchup advantages on pass plays by throwing over the middle and making the 6-foot-2, 255-pound Te’o drop into coverage.

    Te’o has had a lot of eyes on him while playing for the No. 1 team in the country this year. He’ll also have a lot of eyes on him at the Scouting Combine, when it’s his turn to run the 40.

  • papertiger418

    Kell, we could get a super-stadium built in Salt Lake City, stat! It would look like the Mormon Temple, but it’s still better than the O.