Raiders gearing up for dynamic Newton; Pryor playing more Sunday
By Steve Corkran
Thursday, December 20th, 2012 at 3:19 pm in Oakland Raiders.
When a play breaks down against the Carolina Panthers, the Raiders won’t have Brady Quinn to bail them out this time.
No, the Raiders know they’re in for a stern test Sunday when they get their first look at second-year quarterback Cam Newton, one of the numerous dynamic quarterbacks that entered the NFL the past two seasons.
Newton struggled early this season on the heels of a transcendent rookie season in which he passed for 4,051 yards and 21 touchdowns and rushed for 706 yards and 14 touchdowns.
But Newton of late is looking more and more like the player many expected to see in his second season. He has 10 touchdowns and no interceptions in his past five games, as well as 293 yards and three touchdowns rushing.
Raiders coach Dennis Allen said game-planning for Newton is a handful.
“He creates a lot of other issues that you have to worry about,” Allen said. “You have to worry about him in the passing game. just scrambling around and keeping the play alive. Obviously, they use him in a lot of different ways in the running game also. He presents some unique challenges. He’s obviously a tremendous talent.”
Newton, 6-foot-5 and 248 pounds, is a threat to run at any time. For instance, he rambled for 72 yards and a touchdown against the Falcons a couple of games ago on a designed play.
Even so, Raiders defensive backs can’t leave their assignments too early if Newton shows run, for rish of Newton pulling up and throwing the ball over the top.
“You don’t come off,” Huff said. “When he’s scrambling around, you really have no idea. Especially, our back will be turned, so you gotta cover until you think it’s two, three seconds later.”
Raiders middle linebacker Omar Gaither spent one season with the Panthers and went up against Newton in practice every day. He said defenders have to be wary of Newton to run at any time.
“He’s big and fast,” Gaither said. “If he were playing a different position it would probably be defensive end. And a guy who can run. He has every tool you need in a quarterback, and he can beat you with his feet. So you basically need to keep him in front and contain him on the edges. You see the highlights every week of him getting a 60-yard scamper. Those are the kind of things that kill your defense. You just have to contain him.”
Raiders outside linebacker Philip Wheeler played against Newton last season, when Wheeler was with the Colts. He said the key is swarming Newton and getting as many bodies on him as possible.
“It’s just very important to stay disciplined in your responsibilities,” Wheeler said.
– Sebastian Janikowski won the fan portion of the voting for the Pro Bowl. He’s one-third of the way to his second straight Pro Bowl selection.
The man standing in his way is Phil Dawson, the kicker who spent 1998 in the Raiders training camp after signing as an undrafted free agent out of Texas.
Dawson has converted 26 of 27 field-goal attempts this season. Janikowski is 29 of 32, with his misses coming from 51, 61 and 64 yards.
Coaches and players each get one-third of the voting, too. Selections will be announced Wednesday at 4 p.m. on NFL Network.
– The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.
– Second-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor will be used on some third-down and red-zone plays against the Panthers so that the Raiders “can create a different look the defense to contend with” and “try to use some of his athletic ability.”
Pryor played one series last Sunday against the Chiefs. The series consisted of two hand-offs and an incomplete pass from Pryor to wide receiver Darrius Hewyard-Bey.
Pryor has spent the better part of his two NFL seasons biding his time, learning from Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart and working on his accuracy, timing, mechanics and footwork.
Now he’s ready to take his game for a test drive, which means for more than three plays. Until that happens, Pryor said he doesn’t want to hear about any comparisons to Newton, Robert Griffin III and Colin Kaepernick.
“When it’s time for me, and I really get a lot of reps and get comfortable, I’ll have success,” Pryor said. “I really, truly believe that. Right now I’m just waiting. Right now I don’t want to compare myself to Kaepernick or Cam or any of those guys because them guys and Griffin have proved it. I haven’t proved anything.
“I can’t really say I’d be like them. I don’t know what I’m going to be like because I haven’t even played yet. I can tell from practice and certain plays that they run and certain plays that I run, I could tell I can do that in practice. It’s not when people are watching, so I can’t really compare myself to them.”
Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is watching at practice, and he said he likes what he sees from Pryor these days.
“I’ve definitely seen the progress during practice on his mechanics, the rhythm of his throws and the consistency of his footwork,” Knapp said. “He has taken to coaching very well. (Quarterbacks coach) John DeFilippo should get a lot of credit because he has spent a lot of time with him, as far as working on the individual part of the game.”
Pryor said he is satisfied with the improvements he has made since training camp, especially his accuracy and footwork. Getting a taste of what it’s like in a regular-season game gave him added confidence.
“I wasn’t really nervous because I studied them so much it was like second nature when I got to the line,” Pryor said. “Obviously, there’s a tiny bit of nerves. Obviously, I would have liked to play a little more and had a couple of different plays I’d really want to use, but I got an opportunity to get on the field and that’s a step from where I was. I can’t really complain. I’m just grateful my coaches let me get on the field.”
– Stat of the day: On passes longer than 20 yards downfield, Palmer is 10 of 50 (20 percent) for 432 yards, with three touchdowns and three interceptions. He went 16 of 45 (35.6 percent) for 618 yards, with six touchdowns and two interceptions last season.
– Defensive tackle Richard Seymour has missed the past six games with a hamstring injury. He hasn’t practiced yet this week, so it’s likely that he is headed for a seventh straight missed game.
Therefore, Allen said, it’s possible that the Raiders will just shut down Seymour and place him on the injured-reserve list.
— Allen and Palmer raved about Panthers middle linebacker Luke Kuechly on Wednesday. Today, it was Knapp’s turn to sing the rookie’s praises.
“When I see a rookie linebacker tackle Tony Gonzalez pretty handily, then get up and not back down, because Tony gets up and tries to shrug him off, and he gets right back in it, and you see it happen two or three more times in the game, you know the guy’s got a little something to him,” Knapp said of Kuechly. “So it does show up on tape. He’s always around the ball. He’s fast to react and he has pretty good instincts, so that does show up on tape.”
Isolate on Kuechly during Sunday’s game. Trust me, it’s worth your investment if you want to see how the middle linebacker position should be played and what you have missed out of Rolando McClain the past three seasons.
Then, factor in that both were selected in the top 10 of the NFL draft — McClain in 2010, Kuechly in April — both won the Butkus Award as the nation’s top collegiate linebacker and you will get a sense for how important it is that a team have a solid scouting department.
Several people cautioned Al Davis about using a first-round pick on McClain. A few others were enamored with McClain. The latter persuaded Davis to draft McClain.
– Heyward-Bey was held without a catch against the Chiefs, marking the second time in four games that he didn’t catch any passes and the third time in 14 games this season.
Knapp said Heyward-Bey’s health is fine and that that’s just how it works out from time to time.
“It’s not by design,” Knapp said. “It’s just the way things have played out. Kind of the same thing happened with Denarius (Moore) for a couple of games. Even, you could say the same thing is true for Brandon (Myers); it’s sometimes the way the game plays out. It’s not by design, but it’s just the ball has been delivered other places because of coverage and/or progressions, but it’s not by game plan.”
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December 20th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
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December 20th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
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December 20th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
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December 20th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Scourge! How the heck are ya?!
December 20th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
I’m doing okay I guess, Scourge! Crappy weather here but I’m warm and dry.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
LONG LIVE CHUCKY!!!!!
December 20th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
So what do you wanna talk about? Knapp?
December 20th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Fire him!
December 20th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Okay, how about DA?
December 20th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Fire him too!
December 20th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Jordan is a beast man…..He definately had a better year last year when he played strictly DE. LOTS more pressures / sacks / and knockdowns.
This year he’s been standing up alot and covering receivers. But he has really good closing speed and sideline speed.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Pryor vs. Cam! DO IT!
December 20th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Let’s talk about Pryor?
December 20th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Let’s not. Just play him for a quarter so everyone SsTFU!
December 20th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Reggie is a fraud.
Just Win Baby.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
When a play breaks down against the Carolina Panthers, the Raiders won’t have Brady Quinn to bail them out this time.
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Damm nice opening Cork
December 20th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
RAIDER NATION- Our team may have let us down, but you know, no better family than ours!!!
WIN, Loose, or tie RAIDER till I DIE
December 20th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
The new future of quarterbacking begins….
December 20th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
I was supportive of Pryor until i read this:
Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is watching at practice, and he said he likes what he sees from Pryor these days.
“I’ve definitely seen the progress during practice on his mechanics, the rhythm of his throws and the consistency of his footwork,” Knapp said. “He has taken to coaching very well
Now i’m convinced he’s a lost cause, just cut him.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Hey, MWord, Ghost, Tiger……I thought I was the only one here and had to carry on the usual conversations
December 20th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Scourge, you wanna talk about racism?!
December 20th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Think the Jets would trade Tebow for Pryor straight up?
December 20th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
No! And you’re racist for using the word!
December 20th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Okay, guys, I’m going back to lurker mode. I’ve don’t my good deed for the day. Cheers to ya!
December 20th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Thanks for your contribution SCOURGE!!
December 20th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Another depressing thing; was listening to the Dan Patrick show and their blogger brought up potential topics for the poll question.
His main one was: Which team do you think is furthest from the Superbowl?
a)Jaguars
b)Jets
c)Chargers
d)Cardinals
e)Chiefs
Not one mention of the Raiders. We’re so bland we’ve even escaped notice on that end.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Have fun, Scourge! Good talking to you!
December 20th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Well at least DA didn’t say Cam was unstoppable like Tarver likes to do.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Hey wasn’t John DeFilippo Russell’s QB coach?
December 20th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Hey wasn’t John DeFilippo Russell’s QB coach?
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Yes the same guy that gave J.ruffels a blank cd
December 20th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
“When I see a rookie linebacker tackle Tony Gonzalez pretty handily, then get up and not back down, because Tony gets up and tries to shrug him off, and he gets right back in it, and you see it happen two or three more times in the game, you know the guy’s got a little something to him,” Knapp said of Kuechly.
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STEVE FOR GODS SAKE STOP DRINKING ON THE JOB
December 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Dan78 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Hey wasn’t John DeFilippo Russell’s QB coach?
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Yes the same guy that gave J.ruffels a blank cd
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FML, it’s like we’re not even giving ourselves a chance.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Sounds like Corky is coming around, and holding Coaches accountable.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
THE BLACKHOLE Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
“When I see a rookie linebacker tackle Tony Gonzalez pretty handily, then get up and not back down, because Tony gets up and tries to shrug him off, and he gets right back in it, and you see it happen two or three more times in the game, you know the guy’s got a little something to him,” Knapp said of Kuechly.
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STEVE FOR GODS SAKE STOP DRINKING ON THE JOB
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Maybe he’s getting a few bottles from the coaching staff…. It is Christmas time!!!
December 20th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Last week Pryor knew he was slated to only be in there for 1 series.
He knew his first two plays were going to be runs.
On 3rd and 7, he goes through his progression and looking at his 3rd option, he has DHB well covered…..
He can (a) pull it down and take off and run or he can (b) try and force it in there in order to keep his one series alive.
What does he do?
He chooses (c). He puroposefully throws the ball where nobody can get it. He avoids the pick. And he consciously makes the decision to avoid looking like he’s a “run first” QB by not taking off running.
He basically put his own personal needs behind that of the teams by not trying to do to much in order to keep “his” series alive.
Im sorry, I dunno what more this kid is supposed to do to win over some of the idiots on this board. He does and says everything right.
And he has that one “it” factor that ALL great QB’s have/had. He’s got that chip on his shoulder. All this bench time has humbled him and made him as hard a worker as you could ask.
Take a look at all the other good QBs and what do the all have in common, the “chip”. They were all passed up at some point in their careers and they never forgot it.
- Gannon
- Tarkenton
- Flutie
- Matt Ryan (had to go to BC)
- Cutler (had to go to Vanderbilt)
- Marino (Steelers wouldnt draft him)
- Montana (late round pick)
- Staughbach (late round pick)
- Brady (late round pick)
- Big Ben (OSU passed him up so he ended up at Miami of Ohio)
- Romo (undrafted)
- Drew Brees (all the colleges passed him up so he played at Purdue, then SD & Miami passed on him as well and look what the Saints were gifted)
There are VERY FEW QBs that are the John Elway and Peyton Mannings of the world. Very few that came from college as stars and it translated at the NFL level.
Thats why USC QBs never amount to much. There isnt a chip on their shoulder. Theyve had things too nice. You have to be able to overcome adversity in life and as a QB.
Im a believer in TP for this very reason. He has that chip on his shoulder. He has the work ethic. He has all the physical gifts. And he is a vocal leader.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
I have a video of 18 plays of ten yards or longer from McF from 2011… and all but ONE popped to the left side.
Veldeer and Wiz? the new Shell/Upshaw? We need these two together again.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.
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Thanks Corky.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Redzone packages for Pryor, huh? I call shenanigans. Knapp’s offense won’t get us close to the 20yd line. We’ll see even less of P-funk.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
John DeFilippo, another hack with no history of success.
Now we get to add Pryor to his list of studets that included Mark Sanchez and Jamarcus Russell.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Suppose if I sent the video to Knapp he might look at it?
18 plays over ten yards for McF, and 17 went to the left.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.
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Thanks Corky.
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I wish he was this bold when actually talking to guys like DA and Co.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is watching at practice, and he said he likes what he sees from Pryor these days.
“I’ve definitely seen the progress during practice on his mechanics, the rhythm of his throws and the consistency of his footwork,” Knapp said. “He has taken to coaching very well. (Quarterbacks coach) John DeFilippo should get a lot of credit because he has spent a lot of time with him, as far as working on the individual part of the game.”
December 20th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
– The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.
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Oh Hue you were so overrated…Gruden can you bring him back as OC?
December 20th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
John DeFilippo news just sent me into a new spiral of frustration. WTF were these guys thinking?
December 20th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Raiders coach Dennis Allen said game-planning for Newton is a handful.
“He creates a lot of other issues that you have to worry about,” Allen said. “You have to worry about him in the passing game. just scrambling around and keeping the play alive. Obviously, they use him in a lot of different ways in the running game also. He presents some unique challenges. He’s obviously a tremendous talent.”
Newton, 6-foot-5 and 248 pounds, is a threat to run at any time. For instance, he rambled for 72 yards and a touchdown against the Falcons a couple of games ago on a designed play.
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Gee, thanks a lot DA, veeeery astute. Lol.
You might want see what you have in TP, dumbass.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Any vote of Confidence from Greg Knapp is the Kiss of Death to offensive talent.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Raiders coach Dennis Allen said game-planning for Newton is a handful.
“He creates a lot of other issues that you have to worry about,” Allen said. “You have to worry about him in the passing game. just scrambling around and keeping the play alive. Obviously, they use him in a lot of different ways in the running game also. He presents some unique challenges. He’s obviously a tremendous talent.”
Newton, 6-foot-5 and 248 pounds, is a threat to run at any time. For instance, he rambled for 72 yards and a touchdown against the Falcons a couple of games ago on a designed play.
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Gee, thanks a lot DA, veeeery astute. Lol.
You might want see what you have in TP, dumbass.
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That’s EXACTLY what I was thinking as I read it.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
John DeMuthaphukkinFlippio
December 20th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
47.Raider Riff Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Raiders coach Dennis Allen said game-planning for Newton is a handful.
“He creates a lot of other issues that you have to worry about,” Allen said. “You have to worry about him in the passing game. just scrambling around and keeping the play alive. Obviously, they use him in a lot of different ways in the running game also. He presents some unique challenges. He’s obviously a tremendous talent.”
Newton, 6-foot-5 and 248 pounds, is a threat to run at any time. For instance, he rambled for 72 yards and a touchdown against the Falcons a couple of games ago on a designed play.
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Gee, thanks a lot DA, veeeery astute. Lol.
You might want see what you have in TP, dumbass.
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Great comment KK
December 20th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Stat of the day: On passes longer than 20 yards downfield, Palmer is 10 of 50 (20 percent) for 432 yards, with three touchdowns and three interceptions. He went 16 of 45 (35.6 percent) for 618 yards, with six touchdowns and two interceptions last season.
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Thanks again Corky.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.
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Thanks Corky.
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No Doubt
December 20th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Dan78 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
47.Raider Riff Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Raiders coach Dennis Allen said game-planning for Newton is a handful.
“He creates a lot of other issues that you have to worry about,” Allen said. “You have to worry about him in the passing game. just scrambling around and keeping the play alive. Obviously, they use him in a lot of different ways in the running game also. He presents some unique challenges. He’s obviously a tremendous talent.”
Newton, 6-foot-5 and 248 pounds, is a threat to run at any time. For instance, he rambled for 72 yards and a touchdown against the Falcons a couple of games ago on a designed play.
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Gee, thanks a lot DA, veeeery astute. Lol.
You might want see what you have in TP, dumbass.
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Great comment KK
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He can come up with some gems when he’s not consumed in vicious blog fued.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Allen: “Well Greg, You got the Job”
Knapp: “Really?”
Allen: “Yeah i think we do great things”
Knapp: “REALLY?”
Allen: “Yup, the Offense is all yours”
Knapp: “Wow you really don’t know what your doing do you?”
Allen: “What was that?”
Knapp: “Nothing, can i bring my friend DeFilippo, he’s just as good as i am?”
December 20th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
So, Newton is hot, and we’re playing on the East Coast. Gotcha.
December 20th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
I’m officially in the Bjoern Werner “The Germanator” bandwagoon, not because he has some JJWatt awareness or Justin Smith power or Chris Long quickness but because he has a very very high floor, he might never be a pro bowler but we can’t miss with him either.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
53.The_Judge37 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Allen: “Well Greg, You got the Job”
Knapp: “Really?”
Allen: “Yeah i think we do great things”
Knapp: “REALLY?”
Allen: “Yup, the Offense is all yours”
Knapp: “Wow you really don’t know what your doing do you?”
Allen: “What was that?”
Knapp: “Nothing, can i bring my friend DeFilippo, he’s just as good as i am?”
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Allen: Hello
Knapp: Dennis, it’s Gregg, just wanted to congratulate you on your hiring.
Allen: Who?
Knapp: Gregg Knapp
Allen: Hey, nice to talk to you and thank you.
Knapp: Heard you might be interested in an OC
Allen: Uh yeah, maybe…
Knapp: Hey remember that time we went to Tijuana?
Allen: Uh, yeah, that was a good time.
Knapp: Do you remember that Bar with the Donkey? Just bringing it up because I was looking through some old photos.
Allen: Uh #&@&$%, what time can you get on a plane?
December 20th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
56. At least that explination would be somewhat forgivable. But to bring in Knapp and DeFilippo?
December 20th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
David Shaw was in demand and Stanford did the smart thing because I believe Mark Davis has sent a kite his way to get a what level of interest he had. Stanford made a pre-emptive move.
To take anything this cocaching staff does with Pryor as somehow a reflection on Pryor is a mistake it is in fact an indictment against this coaching staff. If they lose this kid to another team and he goes to say Arizona this staff and Reggie McK will suffer the consequences. QB’s are very hard to get because everybody wants one and for them to have this kid in their charge and not develope him will be essentially what Atl did when they traded Brett Farve before ever giving him a chance to compete.
Thiis wont be the only time a team had a great talent under their nose and didn’t realize it. It happens all the time. TB had Steve Young, our own Oakland Raiders drafted Roman Gabriel and gave him away. They’re going down that road once again. They just don’t recognize talent in their own camp.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
So, Newton is hot, and we’re playing on the East Coast. Gotcha.
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Im ready to bet my life savings on Carolina right now. It’s tempting.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
#35 Riff
Good job although I doubt that last sentence. I have never heard that about him although I don’t recall hearing the opposite either.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
I never believed Pryor would be an NFL QB, but there was always a chance. Now i realize there was no chance with Knapp and DeFilippo. He was sabatoged from the begining.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
You will see on Sunday what we could be watching every Sunday when you see Cam Newton dismantle this defense and beat us handily. Yet our coaches refuse to see the obvious and get whatever they can out of our own dynamic young talent. They prefer to continue to bury him behind a wannabe BUST in Leinart. To justify their ignorance and incompetence.
I have said repeatedly that I think we have a better player in Pryor than the Niners have in kaepernick. Pryor is doubted by everyone outside of that lockeroom because the coaches deny him an opportunity to show Raider fans what they have. The same is true of TJ and Ausberry outstanding talents yet can’t get on the field coaches decision.
You decide….
December 20th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
I never believed Pryor would be an NFL QB, but there was always a chance. Now i realize there was no chance with Knapp and DeFilippo. He was sabatoged from the begining.
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Just because a tree falls in the woods and no one knows doesn’t mean it did not fall………..period
December 20th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Jeremey Stewart has 25 carries, Taiwan Jones has 6.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
hate or love pryor…the guy always says the right things in the media
Gotta cheer on a guy like that..
December 20th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
The only thing that opens the eyes of the blind a little bit is when they saw what he could do as he ran the scout team to give them a pix of Cam Newton and they saw someone who might be even better.
The blind leading the blind.
December 20th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Cam goes 5 straight games without an int our guy has a hard time going one game without a bad pick.
Yet the young stud can’t get a sniff……go figure!
December 20th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
16 rushing td’s with Hue. 3 this year.Oh yea I love Zone blocking.JEEEEEEEEEEZUS!
December 20th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
I’m not convinced the Pryor bandwagon is the place to be, but I can’t wait to see the kid play a quarter or so. Just to see what he’s got.
I haven’t seen anything in him yet, but it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been wrong.
Not even the first time in the last 5 minutes.
It sure would be exciting to see him light it up. And do the same thing next week.
It would sure make the off season (which started for me about 6 weeks ago) more interesting…
December 20th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Living in SoCal, I don’t have a chance to follow the Bay Area TV (Comcast) sport shows, but a couple of nights ago I saw a poll taken with Ann Killion, Ostler, and Kakawami about the Raiders. I almost fell out of my seat when asked about who had to be blamed for the Raiders demise, Ann Killion laid it out clearly, the ZarMac and Junior are to blame, for taking a team that was contending last year to a team in total disarray.
She almost won the fan poll, but you know that the winner had to be Ostler who has been blaming Mr. Davis since he wrote for the LA Times, and still cowardly blames Mr. Davis.
I still remember when Ann Killion was the Raiders number one hater in the Bay Area.
Obviously, it is all about the ZarMac, it is all on him. And you’d better believe that he might not be sending plays down from his box, but he’s definitely making the calls on who plays and who doesn’t. Marky did bark but did he bite?
Just about everything I read or hear from the Raiders, nowadays, is that everyone in the staff is returning, and out of the mouths of many, most of the players are also returning because they would have a year under their belts to learn the system and the offensive and defensive schemes. So, the problem goes back to us the fans for being impatient and unfair for criticizing the ZarMac’s ineptitude.
Again, trying to fool the fans, since when is the Krappy offensive scheme rocket science? Since when is the zone defense a mystery?
Most of us here agree with Killion, that the Raiders did not have “Super Bowl” talent, but they were playing a lot better the last two seasons. And no, HueSux is not a genius nor should have been retained, it’s that Junior and the ZarMac are clueless and incompetent.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
YOU BETTER FUGGN PLAY PRYOR!!!!!!
CAM NEWTON IS MAKING ALLEN AND KNAPP LOOK STUPID!!!!
DID THEY READ THEIR OWN QUOTES ON NEWTON AND FINALLY REALIZE THAT HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO STOP A QB WITH THIS PARTICULAR SKILL SET?!?!?!?!
WAS IT BIG MACK AND DAVIS THAT ORDERED THIS?
AFTER ALL HE SAID MONDAY THAT PRYOR’S ROLE WOULDNT CHANGE.
PALMER IS PAST IT NEWTON IS THE FUTURE OF THE QB, WHAT IS PRYOR???
PLAY HIM AND FIND OUT DUMBAZZ!!!!!
December 20th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
You will see on Sunday what we could be watching every Sunday when you see Cam Newton dismantle this defense and beat us handily. Yet our coaches refuse to see the obvious and get whatever they can out of our own dynamic young talent. They prefer to continue to bury him behind a wannabe BUST in Leinart. To justify their ignorance and incompetence.
I have said repeatedly that I think we have a better player in Pryor than the Niners have in kaepernick. Pryor is doubted by everyone outside of that lockeroom because the coaches deny him an opportunity to show Raider fans what they have. The same is true of TJ and Ausberry outstanding talents yet can’t get on the field coaches decision.
You decide….
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I’ll take Pryor over Cam 10 times out of 10.
Cam has some serious maturity issues that remain to be exposed as just that, or something more, such as a character flaw that is un-fixable. The QB position is one that is played between the ears. Cam has a head start on the experience side of things but when it comes to the mental side, I think he may even be behind Pryor in some aspects of life.
Pryor on the other hand has been humbled to no avail the last few years and its changed who he is as a person.
Again, I’ll take Pryor any day. Even tho Cam is the better physical prospect, and Pryor was no different dumba55 the punk when he was at OSU. Cam’s teammates dont much care for him, just like Pryor’s didnt during his college days. But Pryor has been put thru the ringer while Cam still has a ton of learning to do.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Zopi is right.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
16 rushing td’s with Hue. 3 this year.Oh yea I love Zone blocking.JEEEEEEEEEEZUS!
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Since it was 19 in his 1st season, then 16 in his 2nd season. I guess Hue Regressed as well.
Take that DA haters!
December 20th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Some host on radio or TV said,when asked what you do with a guest that is in a full on self destructive mode, said stand back and get out of the way.
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
YOU BETTER FUGGN PLAY PRYOR!!!!!!
CAM NEWTON IS MAKING ALLEN AND KNAPP LOOK STUPID!!!!
DID THEY READ THEIR OWN QUOTES ON NEWTON AND FINALLY REALIZE THAT HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO STOP A QB WITH THIS PARTICULAR SKILL SET?!?!?!?!
WAS IT BIG MACK AND DAVIS THAT ORDERED THIS?
AFTER ALL HE SAID MONDAY THAT PRYOR’S ROLE WOULDNT CHANGE.
PALMER IS PAST IT NEWTON IS THE FUTURE OF THE QB, WHAT IS PRYOR???
PLAY HIM AND FIND OUT DUMBAZZ!!!!!
December 20th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
You will see on Sunday what we could be watching every Sunday when you see Cam Newton dismantle this defense and beat us handily. Yet our coaches refuse to see the obvious and get whatever they can out of our own dynamic young talent. They prefer to continue to bury him behind a wannabe BUST in Leinart. To justify their ignorance and incompetence.
I have said repeatedly that I think we have a better player in Pryor than the Niners have in kaepernick. Pryor is doubted by everyone outside of that lockeroom because the coaches deny him an opportunity to show Raider fans what they have. The same is true of TJ and Ausberry outstanding talents yet can’t get on the field coaches decision.
You decide….
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I’ll take Pryor over Cam 10 times out of 10.
Cam has some serious maturity issues that remain to be exposed as just that, or something more, such as a character flaw that is un-fixable. The QB position is one that is played between the ears. Cam has a head start on the experience side of things but when it comes to the mental side, I think he may even be behind Pryor in some aspects of life.
Pryor on the other hand has been humbled to no avail the last few years and its changed who he is as a person.
Again, I’ll take Pryor any day. Even tho Cam is the better physical prospect, and Pryor was no different dumba55 the punk when he was at OSU. Cam’s teammates dont much care for him, just like Pryor’s didnt during his college days. But Pryor has been put thru the ringer while Cam still has a ton of learning to do.
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I agree with both of these takes 100%
i wrote on this exact topic about 2-3 weeks ago.
When i compared them in college I had cam ahead of pryor in terms of the physical game. I postulated that pryor is ahead of cam in the mental part of the game because of his career coming to a screeching halt and losing his draft status then being relegated to scout team qb.
Where everything has come easy for newton pryor is barley clinging to a roster spot.
There is a lot to be aid for overcoming adversity. pryor in my mind is the new jc. The guy that the fan base and the staff dont want hand picked by davis sr.
I hope he can get on the field and deliver what jc did, solid professionalism and wins.
people will always find a way to criticize him ( i know why, and its not football) as long as he can produce on the field his team mates will follow him, because of his journey.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Fire Gregg Knapp!
December 20th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Golden Jew; did you finally get those meds to keep you focused long enough to pull this off? If so, hats of to you.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
JLofty Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Fire Gregg Knapp!
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Are you sure? Knapp is going to give Seabass the best opportunity to beat the 63 yard FG record
December 20th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
pryor could be our future i hope he makes some plays so he can force his way onto the field.
I want a real qb competition next season and I WANT PRYOR TO KICK CARSONS SORRY BUNGLE STRIPPED AZZ!!!!
December 20th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Oh man mistic, how about have some HOPE for Pryor!? Other than professionalism and being a good or at least decent guy is the ONLY thing I want to see Pryor emulate Soup as. But I HOPE Pryor is a better quarterback. That JasonCampbell guy is awful behind center. Can’t even slide well…
I’ve been screaming at my TV for the coaches to put in Pryor in the red zone for weeks. Way to wait until we are all the way to 4 victories before cluing in to that move.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Golden Jew; did you finally get those meds to keep you focused long enough to pull this off? If so, hats of to you.
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Here’s the gossipy lil Btch again. Smh. Don’t you people have a life of your own?
December 20th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
They can get SeaBass that record ANY game any time any year. Knapp might get him a single season scoring record with their ineptitude in the RZ tho…
December 20th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Why do you takr it personally, Mistic? One would think Pryor was your fatherless nephew….
December 20th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
We need to get a look at Pryor as a QB, if not at least at TE.
Solution: Pryor bootleg in the RedZone, Throw the ball up real high, sprint after it and pull down his own fade route.
BooM!
December 20th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Did Terell get a diploma from THE Obvious State University? How old is he?
December 20th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Our only hope now is that the Mayans were right, and the return of Greg Knapp and John DeFilippo are proof that this world is headed in that direction.
So peace out World!
December 20th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Raider E Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Why do you takr it personally, Mistic? One would think Pryor was your fatherless nephew….
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There are no fatherless children in my family.
I am a raider fan and we cant win without a qb.
The last decent qb we had was jc
palmer has been terrible
we need a qb and i think pryor has incredible talent
why wouldnt ant REAL FAN want palmers pathetic 8-16 record and 37 turnovers replaced?
dont you want to win?
December 20th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Mistic,
I wanna see the Raiders win as much as anybody, but I have to stick with my gut feeling on this Pryor thing.
He was an Al pick, and that is gonna write him a ticket off the roster unfortunately.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
I would love to see Pryor play and play well too, but I think anyone saying that we have another Cam Newton, or RG3, or Kappernik on our team (at this point) is extremely premature. I know what your gonna say, “Well, we wont really know until we throw him out there and see.” My only comeback to that logic is; We may not know, but the coaches do know. There is a reason why they have to work with this guy so much. Just about every guys in the biz who knew QBs said the same thing, “This guy needs a tone of work.. or.. I dont think he will ever be a QB in the NFL… or.. After a whole lot of work he will probably be a decent backup QB, but no way will he ever be a great starting QB.”
These are all the things that were said of Pryor when the Raiders picked him up. Now, I for one believe anybody can do anything they want if they put their mind to it and work hard enough. I hope we have a great QB in Pryor. But I also think, if all the coaches saw it in practice, and all the other people that know a lot more then all of us saw it in him right now, they would be just as furious as some of you are, that he is not out there playing. I think this guys needs a lot more work then some of you think. Heck, even Greg Poppa said he is very very raw, and not even close to being ready to be a starting QB in the NFL right now. He did say he was making a lot of progress, and working hard, but far from being a QB.
Just my opinion anyway.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Von Miller, Cameron Wake, J.J. Watt, DeMarcus Ware, Clay Matthews and Jason Pierre-Paul Jared Allen, Aldon Smith, Julius Peppers, Geno Atkins, Charles Johnson and Chris Long John Abraham, Robert Mathis, Elvis Dumervil, Justin Houston, Chandler Jones,LaMarr Woodley, Mario Williams, Cliff Avril, Trent Cole, Ryan Kerrigan and Dwight Freeney Tamb Hali and Daryl Washington
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Many of theee players would be taken ahead of Lewis or Urlacher if they were to hold a draft like you poke of judge.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
I notice the palmer worshipers are strangely yet predictably silent.
I HOPE PRYOR KICKS AZZ AND PALMER NEVER SEE THE FIELD AGAIN IN A RAIDER UNIFORM!!!!
December 20th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
*portrayed*
December 20th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
cwolfman Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
I would love to see Pryor play and play well too, but I think anyone saying that we have another Cam Newton, or RG3, or Kappernik on our team (at this point) is extremely premature. I know what your gonna say, “Well, we wont really know until we throw him out there and see.” My only comeback to that logic is; We may not know, but the coaches do know. There is a reason why they have to work with this guy so much. Just about every guys in the biz who knew QBs said the same thing, “This guy needs a tone of work.. or.. I dont think he will ever be a QB in the NFL… or.. After a whole lot of work he will probably be a decent backup QB, but no way will he ever be a great starting QB.”===
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1 3RD TEAM QB DOES NOT GET PRACTICE REPS, COACHES HAVEN’T SEEN SQUAT
2. RGIIII WASNT EVEN OFFERED A SCHOLARSHIP TO PLAY QB EXCEPT AT BAYLOR SO SCOUTS IN COLLEGE AND PRO MISS ALL OF THE TIME BASED ON OUTDATED THINKING ON WHAT THE QB LOOKS LIKE
3. NOBODY SAID HE IS THE NEXT ANY BODY I DO BELIEV HE HAS ENOUGH TALENT TO PLAY THOUGH.
4. HENNE QUINN PONDER LOCKER TEBOW GABBERT AND SO ON HAVE ALL STARTED NFL GAMES AND PRYOR IS BY FAR BETTER THAN THOSE CLOWNS
December 20th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
we are not silent jut not biting into your foolishness.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
So far as the coaches knowing Pryor…………..I don’t think anybody knows anybody until you see them in a game.
He says he knows the playbook backwards and forward.
December 20th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
“– The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.”
December 20th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
*just*
December 20th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Von Miller, Cameron Wake, J.J. Watt, DeMarcus Ware, Clay Matthews and Jason Pierre-Paul Jared Allen, Aldon Smith, Julius Peppers, Geno Atkins, Charles Johnson and Chris Long John Abraham, Robert Mathis, Elvis Dumervil, Justin Houston, Chandler Jones,LaMarr Woodley, Mario Williams, Cliff Avril, Trent Cole, Ryan Kerrigan and Dwight Freeney Tamb Hali and Daryl Washington
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Many of theee players would be taken ahead of Lewis or Urlacher if they were to hold a draft like you poke of judge.
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This is true.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
cwolfman Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
I would love to see Pryor play and play well too, but I think anyone saying that we have another Cam Newton, or RG3, or Kappernik on our team (at this point) is extremely premature. I know what your gonna say, “Well, we wont really know until we throw him out there and see.” My only comeback to that logic is; We may not know, but the coaches do know. There is a reason why they have to work with this guy so much. Just about every guys in the biz who knew QBs said the same thing, “This guy needs a tone of work.. or.. I dont think he will ever be a QB in the NFL… or.. After a whole lot of work he will probably be a decent backup QB, but no way will he ever be a great starting QB.”===
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1 3RD TEAM QB DOES NOT GET PRACTICE REPS, COACHES HAVEN’T SEEN SQUAT
2. RGIIII WASNT EVEN OFFERED A SCHOLARSHIP TO PLAY QB EXCEPT AT BAYLOR SO SCOUTS IN COLLEGE AND PRO MISS ALL OF THE TIME BASED ON OUTDATED THINKING ON WHAT THE QB LOOKS LIKE
3. NOBODY SAID HE IS THE NEXT ANY BODY I DO BELIEV HE HAS ENOUGH TALENT TO PLAY THOUGH.
4. HENNE QUINN PONDER LOCKER TEBOW GABBERT AND SO ON HAVE ALL STARTED NFL GAMES AND PRYOR IS BY FAR BETTER THAN THOSE CLOWNS
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1. You have no idea what the coaches see of him in practice. You have no clue because you are not there. You dont know what they have worked with him on or how they have worked with him.
2. Who the hell cares if RG3 was offered a scholarship? I’m not talking about college. Im talking about NFL. And yes you are right, some did not see he had the talent to be as good as he is, but that is the exception to the rule.
3. When people say stuff like, “I have said repeatedly that I think we have a better player in Pryor than the Niners have in kaepernick,” I tend to take that as you saying we have a player that is better then Kappernik (I know the spelling isnt right).
4. I cant say a whole lot about this one, except, I dont know what starting QB they took over for to start.
5. Do you have your caps lock stuck or something? lol
December 20th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
“– The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.”
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give the Hue haters something else to suck on.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
so sick of these clowns…gee i wonder why cam is so hard to game plan for? wish we had a qb who could run…oh wait….
December 20th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Listen… Im not saying Pryor wont be a good QB. Let me say it again.. I hope he is a great QB for the Raiders for many many years…. All Im saying is, I wouldnt get too excited about him until you are able to see him play a decent amount. Until then, “I” just have to believe that he still requires a lot of work and is not close to taking over for the QB you (Mystic) hate so much in CP3.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Well, when Palmer gets his yds, they might let him play.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
16 tds to 3…yeah zbs works…
December 20th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
This is 2 for 2 with Knapp lobbying for his job through the media again. Trying to all of a sudden tout Pryor as making all this progress. He could have mentioned this after any week this season but waits until now when 98% of us are calling for his head.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
3rd worst in modern history? yeah thanks reggie/Da
December 20th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Maybe KK.. Im just afraid that DA wants to save his job so much that he is keeping so many of the starters out there for the best chance to win these games. Even though this whole season has been over for a long time. I am of the opinion like many of you, that they should be starting Pryor for these last games, and should have started him last week.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
I think these coaches are trying to break Pryor’s will and force him to walk in their office and request to play TE/WR.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Cork if you know these stats confront DA and reggie about them already…
December 20th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
I hope when he does get a chance to play, they give him a real chance at QB and dont only throw him out there to do Wildcat stuff. I want to see him running the offense like a real QB.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
I can see Pryor and Tebow taking a camping trip together in Wyoming and talking about how their coaches handled them this year.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Cork if you know these stats confront DA and reggie about them already…
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Can’t mediots are enjoying their sandwiches from Raiders Headquarters.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
if pryor becomes a wr he is already better than criner…
December 20th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
@ 504 Raider
LOL!!!
December 20th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
JLofty Says:
They can get SeaBass that record ANY game any time any year. Knapp might get him a single season scoring record with their ineptitude in the RZ tho…
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It has to count, at least a little bit, he deserves that much.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
So ths year, maybe not.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
“– The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.”
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I’m sorry but Hue Jackson finished 1-4. That’s the only thing we can judge him by. Knapp’s historical ineptitude matched the Defense’s historically bad outings.
We are MUCH BETTER off with Tits & Co. 5 year plan to get to 8-8.
This is also why I hated Al. He wasn’t into modern schemes like these guys.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
lmao…better with titts allen….craziness.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
found this on the panthers blog:
Mistic the Superguy Say:
December 20th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I’m telling you guys, we have to get Claussen on the field. Cam is done. His 11-19 record is horrible and we’ve seen enough! Jimmy was never given a fair chance and I think I know why (it’s not related to football). This organization only wants to sell tickets to a certain part of the fanbase. We NEED Jimmy! He is much more of a true pocket passer. Why can’t you guys see that 11-19 is NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
December 20th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
I dont care what scheme the Raiders run, but I just really have no faith in Knapp. I would mind bringing back DA really, but I’m not sure if I can stomach another year of Knapp’s coordinating. I just dont think he is a good coordinator. I dont care what scheme is being ran.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
“wouldn’t mind..”
December 20th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
My God Cork ! You follow up on my CAM NEWTON BLOG!
FINALLY –a Newton Twin Brother. Sit Palmer down now, that’s
What they should have done 4 games back and then let Pryor loose
Let the “Kid ” play for heaven sake even! What has this Palmer done
Nothing . He is an Interception Machine and a Accident
waiting to happeen . When OAKLAND started to lose and Skid. Allen and
Knapp and Tarver knew that the Rath of Kong was Coming. And GOD (Mark)
Was going to Decend from Heaven or from a Ladder in the Booth. SO STUPID.
They did not Stop the Lost slide and furfhere more Blink the Mirror to Reggie’s booth
Instead of deviating there attention by Making a Change with something New like Pryor.
In other words ” Look Boss look what I got., the New Kid on the Block ” We are Doing everything
To Stop the Bleeding. Please don’t Fire Us we are Trying Boss. No !
So now Knapp and Tarver — could Burn like the “Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz ” !
December 20th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Cwolfman Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Maybe KK.. Im just afraid that DA wants to save his job so much that he is keeping so many of the starters out there for the best chance to win these games. Even though this whole season has been over for a long time. I am of the opinion like many of you, that they should be starting Pryor for these last games, and should have started him last week.
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This is exactly what is happening and its why Im not happy with this staff at the moment. Ive had their back since day one but this latest turn of events doesnt make long-term sense at all for this team.
And Kell is right, you dont know what you got until he gets in a game. Romo, Kurt Warner, and plenty of others are all proof of that.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
I’ll just be happy when we can put this season to rest.
Regroup after January.
See what kind of draft Reg puts together.
DA needs to recruit some coaches and dump some of the Krappy ass coaches that will never amount to anything but assistants.
This off season better be more interesting than the crud we’ve had to painfully watch this year.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Cwolfman Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Maybe KK.. Im just afraid that DA wants to save his job so much that he is keeping so many of the starters out there for the best chance to win these games. Even though this whole season has been over for a long time. I am of the opinion like many of you, that they should be starting Pryor for these last games, and should have started him last week.
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This is exactly what is happening and its why Im not happy with this staff at the moment. Ive had their back since day one but this latest turn of events doesnt make long-term sense at all for this team.
And Kell is right, you dont know what you got until he gets in a game. Romo, Kurt Warner, and plenty of others are all proof of that.
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sometimes u do.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Marcel Reece RB,FB, TE & WR! Marcel Reece play maker. If Knapp gave Marcel 15 carries & 7 pass attempts per game, Marcel would get atleast 150 yard from scrimage & 1.5 TDs per game and the Raiders would have a won 70% of the games this year. Fire Knapp! More Power Running & playaction!
December 20th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Believe me, I would not be offended one bit if I never heard Greg Knapp’s name ever again.
December 20th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Raider (since 1967) ★
You people don’t listen Well – Little Ricky Tang !
You all Look Alike, little Ricky.
If Pryor had been playing.several games back,some of the games would
Have been Won and some of the Outcome may have been different !
More first Downs and the Offense longer on the field. Taring their Heart out.
Our Record could be better and we will have a better or worst Qb.
And we would have Known – If it was Real Gold or “Fools Gold ”
Maybe our Record could be 7-7 and waiting for a Better year, but a stoburn Allen Knapp and Tarver.
OH Well. QUE SERA SERA. – WHATEVER WILL BE, .WILL BE!
December 20th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
#3 from BYU is a player.
December 20th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
On passes longer than 20 yards downfield, Palmer is 10 of 50 (20 percent) for 432 yards, with three touchdowns and three interceptions.
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As I said earlier this week, Carson has been awful throwing the ball down the field this season.
Are you reading Dr. Robert?
December 20th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
On passes longer than 20 yards downfield, Palmer is 10 of 50 (20 percent) for 432 yards, with three touchdowns and three interceptions.
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As I said earlier this week, Carson has been awful throwing the ball down the field this season.
Are you reading Dr. Robert?
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Did much better under Hue I see.
December 20th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Downfield is not in Knapp’s DNA.
December 20th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
“I’ll take Pryor over Cam 10 times out of 10″
?
Based off of stats or Madden 13?
December 20th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
CORK- now that the Season is almost over how about if can
Rub the Magic Lamp, and ask you in your forum for a wish on
Greg Knapp polling. Should Raiders fire Knapp and Tarver and
De Fellipo coaches at the End of the Season ? Yes @ or No @ ?
How about the -Strenth and Endurance coach and Personal ?
What have they Done? ? Everyone is Hurt or hurting, – sick of
Dissable, everything , but a Hospital !
December 20th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Raiders gearing up for dynamic Newton; Pryor playing more Sunday When a play breaks down against the Carolina Panthers, the Raiders won’t have Brady Quinn to bail them out this time. No, the Raiders know they’re in for a stern test Sunday when they get their first look at second-year quarterback Cam Ne… [...]
December 20th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
“I’ll take Pryor over Cam 10 times out of 10″
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Based off of stats or Madden 13?
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That one threw me for a loop also.
December 20th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
Once we do the Knapp – Tarver -De Fellipo and the Stengh and Endurance coach Poll.
You can tally it and Copy Fax it or Roll it up with the Results and in a PRESS CONFERANCE put it in REGGIE SHIRT POCKET -LIKE A CIGAR !!! HAH.
December 20th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
I live in Charlotte. Got field passes for the game. I’m stoked. Go Raiders!!
December 20th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Nice, Riderm!
Enjoy man and shank Knapp for us…in the neck.
lol jk
December 20th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
pretty dam quiet in here for a week night.
December 20th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
#3 from BYU. Sack-Strip-Fumble Recovery-TD.
I’m telling you this kid is a player.
December 20th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Nice, Riderm!
Enjoy man and shank Knapp for us…in the neck. lol jk
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+1
December 20th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
I hate this coaching staff.
Dumb as a box of rocks.
If they are here next year, I won’t renew my NFL package.
December 20th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Miami…Thanks! Dream come true for a life long fan. Should be fun. If I could give Knapp a good kick in the a$$ I would.
December 20th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Pryor’s stats in college were almost identical to Newton’s.
December 20th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
pretty dam quiet in here for a week night.
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Probably because Christmas is a few days away … oh, and because any hope for the season has essentially been extinguished since Halloween.
December 20th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Now that I’m here it won’t be quiet no mo..
December 20th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
Just love my Raider ’s to death , Cork !
Hey its 10: 40pm in Miami Fla –
Tomorrow is – 21rst – 12- 21 -2112 The End of the World !!
Why worry, Right.
What’s up with the BYU game– interception after interception.
Muff and fumbles!
Can somebody Open the Sprinklers in the Carolina game maybe they slip – ???
December 20th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
cwolfman Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
cwolfman Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
I would love to see Pryor play and play well too, but I think anyone saying that we have another Cam Newton, or RG3, or Kappernik on our team (at this point) is extremely premature. I know what your gonna say, “Well, we wont really know until we throw him out there and see.” My only comeback to that logic is; We may not know, but the coaches do know. There is a reason why they have to work with this guy so much. Just about every guys in the biz who knew QBs said the same thing, “This guy needs a tone of work.. or.. I dont think he will ever be a QB in the NFL… or.. After a whole lot of work he will probably be a decent backup QB, but no way will he ever be a great starting QB.”===
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1 3RD TEAM QB DOES NOT GET PRACTICE REPS, COACHES HAVEN’T SEEN SQUAT
2. RGIIII WASNT EVEN OFFERED A SCHOLARSHIP TO PLAY QB EXCEPT AT BAYLOR SO SCOUTS IN COLLEGE AND PRO MISS ALL OF THE TIME BASED ON OUTDATED THINKING ON WHAT THE QB LOOKS LIKE
3. NOBODY SAID HE IS THE NEXT ANY BODY I DO BELIEV HE HAS ENOUGH TALENT TO PLAY THOUGH.
4. HENNE QUINN PONDER LOCKER TEBOW GABBERT AND SO ON HAVE ALL STARTED NFL GAMES AND PRYOR IS BY FAR BETTER THAN THOSE CLOWNS
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1. You have no idea what the coaches see of him in practice. You have no clue because you are not there. You dont know what they have worked with him on or how they have worked with him.
2. Who the hell cares if RG3 was offered a scholarship? I’m not talking about college. Im talking about NFL. And yes you are right, some did not see he had the talent to be as good as he is, but that is the exception to the rule.
3. When people say stuff like, “I have said repeatedly that I think we have a better player in Pryor than the Niners have in kaepernick,” I tend to take that as you saying we have a player that is better then Kappernik (I know the spelling isnt right).
4. I cant say a whole lot about this one, except, I dont know what starting QB they took over for to start.
5. Do you have your caps lock stuck or something? lol
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good counters
i will conceed
December 20th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
I hope Pryor does well. It would be awesome if he turns out to be as good as say Kaepernick.
Have to say I’m skeptical. He’s never looked like a comfortable, natural, accurate thrower to me. To me the QB position is primarily about accuracy and decision making. I don’t see those as strong suits of Pryor. Sorry, I just don’t. And the new wave of athletic QBs is so successful and interesting because for the most part they’re good, accurate throwers. Cam, Kaepernick and especially RG3 can put the ball in a tight window. I just don’t see TP doing this on a consistent basis.
My honest opinion: the Raiders should start getting him involved running the spread option, gadget plays and as a TE/WR. The kid is too athletic to not get involved.
When you look at the athleticism of TP and Taiwan Jones, it is totally inexcusable that these coaches have not found a way to get the ball in those guys’ hands. Those guys are a creative playcaller’s dream. Good coaches know how to utilize the talent on the roster. Our coaches feel like a bunch of dullards who are only capable of regurgitating what they’ve learned from others and don’t have the ability to adapt or think creatively.
December 20th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Raider (since 1967) ★
Live in North Carolina for 5 yrs waiting to see the Raiders but had no Cable and could not afford it. Come back to Miami 2012
Get beat up. 3 times attempt to see Raiders games and they show other games after Dolphins game. Now I am here and they are putting game in the Carolina! I Tell you I get no respect
No Respect at All .!
December 20th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
omoran, how long have you been a Raider fan?
December 20th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
#3 BYU. Pick-6. Dam that kid is good.
December 20th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
When you look at the athleticism of TP and Taiwan Jones, it is totally inexcusable that these coaches have not found a way to get the ball in those guys’ hands. Those guys are a creative playcaller’s dream.
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Chris, it’s not just about getting the ball in these guys hands. It’s about KEEPING the ball in these guys hands, in other words as coaches you CANNOT give the ball to guys that are going to turn it over. That was the problem with Dmac early in his career and Jones has not shown ANY propensity for holding onto the rock. Pryor is another guy who the coaches don’t want to see turn it over. But like you, I can’t wait to see more of him and to see if he has any career at this level.
December 20th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
I hope Pryor does well. It would be awesome if he turns out to be as good as say Kaepernick.
Have to say I’m skeptical. He’s never looked like a comfortable, natural, accurate thrower to me. To me the QB position is primarily about accuracy and decision making. I don’t see those as strong suits of Pryor. Sorry, I just don’t. And the new wave of athletic QBs is so successful and interesting because for the most part they’re good, accurate throwers. Cam, Kaepernick and especially RG3 can put the ball in a tight window. I just don’t see TP doing this on a consistent basis.
My honest opinion: the Raiders should start getting him involved running the spread option, gadget plays and as a TE/WR. The kid is too athletic to not get involved.
When you look at the athleticism of TP and Taiwan Jones, it is totally inexcusable that these coaches have not found a way to get the ball in those guys’ hands. Those guys are a creative playcaller’s dream. Good coaches know how to utilize the talent on the roster. Our coaches feel like a bunch of dullards who are only capable of regurgitating what they’ve learned from others and don’t have the ability to adapt or think creatively.
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well said
I also wasnt sold on his passing ability as a a buck eye. I saw the flaws in his motion and footwork as a real hindrance. i thought if he could straiten it out he could be far better. He reminded me of vince young.
The preseason looked as if he has gotten far better in that regard and unlike vince young has actually put in work to straiten out his mechanics.
His throwing motion was the main thing that affected his accuracy.
I thought also in preseason he made the right reads and threw the ball to single coverage on almost every throw, except the desperation pass at the end of the game vs dallas.
Im excited to see what he can do
December 20th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
When you look at the athleticism of TP and Taiwan Jones, it is totally inexcusable that these coaches have not found a way to get the ball in those guys’ hands. Those guys are a creative playcaller’s dream.
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Chris, it’s not just about getting the ball in these guys hands. It’s about KEEPING the ball in these guys hands, in other words as coaches you CANNOT give the ball to guys that are going to turn it over. That was the problem with Dmac early in his career and Jones has not shown ANY propensity for holding onto the rock. Pryor is another guy who the coaches don’t want to see turn it over. But like you, I can’t wait to see more of him and to see if he has any career at this level.
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but palmer has turned it over 19 times in 14 games?!??
couldnt pryor do that and get the same result?
December 20th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Im out peace
FREE TP6!!!!!!
December 20th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Jus looked some things up from Cables year in 2012. 6-0 in the divison. Top Ten Offense. 2nd in rushing yards. With the same core players we still have we were a top 10 defense in 2010 as well.We either lead the league in sacks or we were 2nd. That being said we are regressing big time. If Allen was a smart coach he wouldnt have Knapp. He should of kept Hue and stuck with the power scheme. We passed on experienced Defensive minded coaches. Pagano,Fisher,and Rio. So fed up with dumbass coaching decisions.
December 20th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Im telling u this offseason is the time to trade DMAC.. he will probaly play less then 10 games next year and after that he is a FA
Believe me he is gonna want to go to a contender and someone will throw decent sratch at him and Reggie is not gonna resign him.
Trade DMAC this offseason for a decent draft pick if u can get it or player for player trade. This is a rebuilding team!
December 20th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
When you look at the athleticism of TP and Taiwan Jones, it is totally inexcusable that these coaches have not found a way to get the ball in those guys’ hands. Those guys are a creative playcaller’s dream.
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Chris, it’s not just about getting the ball in these guys hands. It’s about KEEPING the ball in these guys hands, in other words as coaches you CANNOT give the ball to guys that are going to turn it over. That was the problem with Dmac early in his career and Jones has not shown ANY propensity for holding onto the rock. Pryor is another guy who the coaches don’t want to see turn it over. But like you, I can’t wait to see more of him and to see if he has any career at this level.
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I think if there were evidence to bear that out about Jones I could understand, but I don’t see it. Kid doesn’t have many touches as a pro, but he has ZERO lost fumbles. Mike Goodson on the other hand had some crazy ratio of like a fumble for every 8 touches or something like that coming into this season. He’s gotten a shot. In the opener, it appeared that they wanted to utilize Jones. He bobbled the one kickoff and then fumbled the exchange on the reverse on what was definitely not a good pitch from Reece.
There’s no excuse for them not to give the kid some looks in some of those games where we were getting blown out early in the second half.
December 20th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Raider (since1967) ★
Pryor Allen and Tarver and Knapp.
Should be watching lots of film on Newton. And looking at Qbs that have beat him like – Manning – Brady and others!
I believe in spying on them 2-3 week in advance. !
Yes Doctor -.FIRE KNAPP !!!
December 20th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
but palmer has turned it over 19 times in 14 games?!??
couldnt pryor do that and get the same result?
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Sure, if Pryor completes 65% of his passes for 7 yards an attempt, he probably could get the same result.
December 20th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Palmer, Allen, Traver and McKenize are to blame for the Raiders regression.We need a quarterback to make big plays at the right times. Not throw dumb picks when the offense is moving the ball well. This gunslinger stuff is dumb. We need an accurate and smart quarterback. I would take Alex Smith over anybody available next year.
December 20th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
In the opener, it appeared that they wanted to utilize Jones. He bobbled the one kickoff and then fumbled the exchange on the reverse on what was definitely not a good pitch from Reece.
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There is your answer right there. Two touches, two fumbles. And if I remember right he got another chance and fumbled that one as well only fumbled it out of bounds. Pryor has never been known as an incredibly accurate passer. He might have improved his accuracy over the last two years working hard. But NFL teams are awfully hard to throw on.
December 20th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Jeremy Stewart 25 carries, Taiwan 6. C’mon man!
December 20th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Have you guys noticed that teams that win superbowls. have a head coach and Quarterback that are really close with each other not just on a football level. But on an emotional and metal level as well. Manning and Dungy. Brady and Bel. Big Ben and Tomlin. Manning and Couflin.
December 20th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Harbaugh and Alex .. not harbaugh and Kapernick.
Those two are on the same page. Hue and carson somewhat even the last 6 weeks last year.. palmer was more accurate on the deep passes
December 20th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Raider (since 1967)
Well #153 … ^ I know but love to Death!
Have a lamp, sandals, even lip block – Raider!
December 20th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
No matter if a teams defense sucks. This is a quarterback driven league. QB win games. Palmer doesnt seem to have the passion for the game anymore.
December 20th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
“Seymour’s contract voids following the season, making him a free agent”-Jerry Macdonald.
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Ok, which is it? Is Jerry correct?
So many guys saying we’re still on the hook for at least 5 mill.
If Seymour’s contract “voids” then Mark owes him nothing…right?
December 20th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Harbaugh and Alex .. not harbaugh and Kapernick.
Those two are on the same page. Hue and carson somewhat even the last 6 weeks last year.. palmer was more accurate on the deep passes
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Hue did a really good job of relating to players on and off the field. Which is why players did quit on him. Tom Cable as well. I dont see that in Allen.
December 20th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
DA is square as a pool table and twice as green.
December 20th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Last week Pryor knew he was slated to only be in there for 1 series.
He knew his first two plays were going to be runs.
On 3rd and 7, he goes through his progression and looking at his 3rd option, he has DHB well covered…..
He can (a) pull it down and take off and run or he can (b) try and force it in there in order to keep his one series alive.
What does he do?
He chooses (c). He puroposefully throws the ball where nobody can get it. He avoids the pick. And he consciously makes the decision to avoid looking like he’s a “run first” QB by not taking off running.
He basically put his own personal needs behind that of the teams by not trying to do to much in order to keep “his” series alive.
Im sorry, I dunno what more this kid is supposed to do to win over some of the idiots on this board. He does and says everything right.
And he has that one “it” factor that ALL great QB’s have/had. He’s got that chip on his shoulder. All this bench time has humbled him and made him as hard a worker as you could ask.
Take a look at all the other good QBs and what do the all have in common, the “chip”. They were all passed up at some point in their careers and they never forgot it.
- Gannon
- Tarkenton
- Flutie
- Matt Ryan (had to go to BC)
- Cutler (had to go to Vanderbilt)
- Marino (Steelers wouldnt draft him)
- Montana (late round pick)
- Staughbach (late round pick)
- Brady (late round pick)
- Big Ben (OSU passed him up so he ended up at Miami of Ohio)
- Romo (undrafted)
- Drew Brees (all the colleges passed him up so he played at Purdue, then SD & Miami passed on him as well and look what the Saints were gifted)
There are VERY FEW QBs that are the John Elway and Peyton Mannings of the world. Very few that came from college as stars and it translated at the NFL level.
Thats why USC QBs never amount to much. There isnt a chip on their shoulder. Theyve had things too nice. You have to be able to overcome adversity in life and as a QB.
Im a believer in TP for this very reason. He has that chip on his shoulder. He has the work ethic. He has all the physical gifts. And he is a vocal leader.
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Nice post, Riff.
Dear double agent (DA) – Play HOUDINI!!!!
December 20th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
DA is square as a pool table and twice as green.
Mine’s grey and rectangular, but I got you.
December 20th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Raider (since1967)★
RAIDERNATION out there you guys are the best brothers.
Stick together. Cork and Reggie are coming with better news !
The worst ,the bad is behind us dudes .!
Allen is really trying and show his love for our team in The lost my Father speech ! He left his Father – his own blood, his family and gave us his honest heart and feelings !!
Can’t get any worst, right! !
December 20th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Reggie paid Seymour $15 million for 8 games?
Ouch.
should have kicked him to the curb and made it $7.5 million instead like I suggested, BigMac!
December 20th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Our coaches feel like a bunch of dullards who are only capable of regurgitating what they’ve learned from others
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and they cant even do that right.
December 20th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
If Seymour’s contract “voids” then Mark owes him nothing…right?
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correct, DJG
December 20th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
DA is square as a pool table and twice as green.
Mine’s grey and rectangular, but I got you
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Mine’s shaped like a curly fry from Arby’s.
Are we talking about the same thing?
December 20th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
so… who is gonna cover who on Sunday?
Huff locked in on Steve Smith with Hanson & Adams assigned to LaFell & Murphy?
I don’t think i’m too worried about Newton passing for 400 yards. I’m more concerned about the damage he’ll do with his legs. The Raiders have been AWFUL against mobile qb’s of late. Plus we can’t cover TE’s
Greg Olsen might have a big day and Williams/Stewart always presents a challenge
December 20th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Panthers have 14 players on I.R.
Dang!
December 20th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
– The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.
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Hue Haters STFU.
December 20th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Stat of the day: On passes longer than 20 yards downfield, Palmer is 10 of 50 (20 percent) for 432 yards, with three touchdowns and three interceptions. He went 16 of 45 (35.6 percent) for 618 yards, with six touchdowns and two interceptions last season.
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Hue haters STFU.
December 20th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I don’t think Reggie & Dennis will stay put in the 1st round of the draft and take the BPA.
I think BigMac will trade down to acquire as many good locker room dudes (who love football) as he can
9 years and running we’ve been attempting to “change the culture” during the offseason
December 20th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
East Oak is obviously a Hue Jackson fan, not a Raiders fan
get lost imposter!!
December 20th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
– The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.
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Hue Haters STFU.
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Stat of the day: On passes longer than 20 yards downfield, Palmer is 10 of 50 (20 percent) for 432 yards, with three touchdowns and three interceptions. He went 16 of 45 (35.6 percent) for 618 yards, with six touchdowns and two interceptions last season.
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Hue haters STFU.
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And those stats are with Carson and Dmac for not even half the season.
December 20th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
East Oak is obviously a Hue Jackson fan, not a Raiders fan
get lost imposter!!
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I’m a fan of winning, and I only brinh uo Hue because folks like to pi on hi name like he was Joe Bugel or something, now get off my ball lil flea.
December 20th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
S’s weren’t working,lol
December 20th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
If Seymour’s contract “voids” then Mark owes him nothing…right?
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correct, DJG
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Thx. We had much debate here in regard to this “issue”. Guys were saying Seymour was guaranteed at least 5 mill. no matter what due to his bonus accelerating, but if his contract is expiring then we wouldn’t pay him anything.
Seems each person had a differnt take.
I’m assuming Jerry knows what he’s talking about.
December 20th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Remember guys, it’s like weaving a quilt.
December 20th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
East Oak,
did it ever occur to you that the Raiders folded down the stretch last year with a more talented football team?
or that we broke the record for penalties?
or that every player Hue Jax brought in after Al Davis passed away was a colossal failure?
or that the guy couldn’t even sniff an OC or QB Coach job after we fired him?
Ron Wolf mentioned Hue Jackson’s “reputation around the league” shortly after he was fired and prior to Allen being named HC. I always wondered what that meant, but it can’t be good!
December 20th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
S’s weren’t working
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S’s are democrats?
December 20th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Good news about Seymour. Kick that bum to the curb!
December 20th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Seems each person had a differnt take.
I’m assuming Jerry knows what he’s talking about.
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DJG,
it’s not a take. It’s a fact. Reggie likes voidable years
Palmer, Brisiel, Curry & Branch got some too
my question is: does the player have the option to void (like Rod Coleman & Eric Barton a few years back) or just the team?
December 20th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Who says the fans know nothing about how to pick a roster?
Alot of us wanted to:
-draft Adrian Peterson
-not draft McClain
-keep Stevie Brown
-not hire Knapp
I don’t have time to go over everything alot of us were right about, but suffice to say it was alot…lol.
December 20th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
– The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.
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Hue Haters STFU.
,,,,,
Doesn’t matter if you like Hue or hate him, if he was good for the Raiders or bad…
He’s NOT HERE ANYMORE!
Now, fire Knapp and move along.
December 20th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Looks like we’re going over the fiscal cliff, guys.
December 20th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
RR 195,
Ok, so we’ll have the Seymour money freed up, and if we let Lechler walk there’s a chunk right there…McClain will be gone but I think he would still be owed money…
I have not heard of players voiding contracts in the NFL.
December 20th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
-keep Stevie Brown
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that wasn’t just the fans bro. the coaches were going to dump Mike Mitchell in favor of Steve-o , but Al Davis vetoed it!
December 20th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
I have not heard of players voiding contracts in the NFL.
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Mike Huff did it the offseason before last. voided the final year of his rookie deal and became a free agent. then Al Davis gave him a monster contract to stay in Oakland
December 20th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
interesting look at the original Raiders’ colors….
http://www.nfl.com/videos/oakland-raiders/0ap2000000114006/Evolution-of-the-Raiders-colors
December 20th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Stat of the day: On passes longer than 20 yards downfield, Palmer is 10 of 50 (20 percent) for 432 yards, with three touchdowns and three interceptions. He went 16 of 45 (35.6 percent) for 618 yards, with six touchdowns and two interceptions last season.
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Hue haters STFU.
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
– The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.
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Hue Haters STFU.
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I think its been said before that Jackson was a better playcaller, a better communicator and a motivator…he simply needed a DC, and an effective scheme.
Allen is a better X’s and O’s type, but is still inexperienced, and didnt really have a reputation yet….he inherited a lot of guys he didnt draft, and wouldve been MUCH better with a quality OC like Norv Turner…his playcalling
it was like opposites….Jackson also knew how to get the best out of DMC and Carson Palmer. – It will be interesting to see if Knapp and Tarver both comeback and how much impact they can add in the offseason on both sides of the ball.
December 20th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
i was watching espn with my 3 yr old when they were talking about a pick 6 for a touchdown. my 3 yr old asked dad whats a touchdown? i had to tell him i didnt know im a raider fan.
December 20th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Agreed. As much as I hate retreads, let’s get Norv in here stat! He’s even neighbors with Palmer, for Pete’s sake!
December 20th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Apparently Romac wore a black-and-white beanie today. What is that, the beanie of doom?
December 20th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Just woke up out my sleep to come on here and say “Big Eff U to Seymour and his Tree.”
Going back to bed now.
December 20th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Apparently Romac wore a black-and-white beanie today. What is that, the beanie of doom?
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dunce cap!!
December 20th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Give the man a look see if you are sure of your job it shouldn’t matter Knapp! All of you cry he’s not ready and all! Heck there is not 32 QB’s in the NFL as we speak that are comparable as starters! So what do you know Plamer we do know!
December 20th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
papertiger418 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Agreed. As much as I hate retreads, let’s get Norv in here stat! He’s even neighbors with Palmer, for Pete’s sake!
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Don’t be surprised is Norv doesn’t end up in Chicago.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
[...] to Steve Corkran of the Contra Costa Times, the Oakland Raiders plan on expanding back up quarterback Terrelle Pryor’s role for this [...]
December 20th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
– The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.
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Amazing, to say the least. Enjoy the misery of futility. There are great rewards in humiliation.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
ZBS at it’s best. We are going nowhere with this staff. Embrace it and bring on the pain. Get good with it. Suffer with dignity, suffer with humiliation. It’s all good.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Amazing, to say the least. Enjoy the misery of futility. There are great rewards in humiliation.
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John Boehner the Speaker of the House of Representatives surely hopes so.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
M.Shorter Says:
No matter if a teams defense sucks. This is a quarterback driven league. QB win games. Palmer doesnt seem to have the passion for the game anymore.
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Total crap statement.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
papertiger418 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Agreed. As much as I hate retreads, let’s get Norv in here stat! He’s even neighbors with Palmer, for Pete’s sake!
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Palmer would do very well with a good OC. Palmer had a good play caller last year and did well quickly. Our ceritfied problem last year was the defense. But the DC last year was ler go for reasons apparent, no doubt. But why did we downgrade at the DC position?
December 20th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Carolina will be a good test for the Raiders. Carolina is playing very well, Newton is playing well, their two defensive ends Hardy and Johnson are as good as any two DE’s in the league right now. But they are very beatable.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
Don’t be surprised is Norv doesn’t end up in Chicago.
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I really wouldn’t be surprised to see him in San Diego.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
why did we downgrade at the DC position?
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re-hire Chuck B?
thats a first!!
December 20th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Really Purvis? U think Norv might survive?
December 20th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Palmer would do very well with a good OC.
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Most of you people think he’s doing “very well” under Greg Knapp!
if he’s not, then he’s a part of the problem – not the solution
December 20th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Burton Guster Says:
Palmer would do very well with a good OC. Palmer had a good play caller last year and did well quickly.
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A good OC would do wll to listen to Palmer. Has Knapp been out there throwing the ball for ten years? 5 years? 2 years? STFU Knapp and respect your elders.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
221,
Any thought on who should be our QB next season?
December 20th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
Really Purvis? U think Norv might survive?
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Depends on Spanos and AJ, but,yeah, wouldn’t surprise me. I’d probably keep him.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Carolina will be a good test for the Raiders. Carolina is playing very well, Newton is playing well, their two defensive ends Hardy and Johnson are as good as any two DE’s in the league right now. But they are very beatable.
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You have more faith in our staffs ability to game plan than I do. We don’t score TDs’, and opposing coaching can pick apart our defense. KC excluded because they are the botton feeders. But they did keep us out of the end zone. If the Raiders lose, I will be good with it. As a long suffering fan, we are right with the Raiders. A win is good for the soul, but the humiliation and misery is good for the spirit. Bring on the pain.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Matt Flynn with Chase Daniels and TP as back Ups!!
December 20th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Most of you people think he’s doing “very well” under Greg Knapp!
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Palmer did well under Hue Jackson. He is horrible under knapp, to knapps credit. Most of Palmers stats are garbage stats. He was put in a position to not succeed with the knapp scheme. So was McFadden.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Goodnight, Raider Nation!
December 20th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Any thought on who should be our QB next season?
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DJG
I’m willing to trade McFadden, Heyward-Bey, McClain & Branch
…just not any draft picks
you don’t think that could net us a QB to win 5 or 6 games next season (like Palmer) ??
we’ll have free agency too
they say Knapp’s offense fits Leinart like a glove. I’d be willing to acquire Tim Tebow and have him compete with Matty Boy & Pryor next year. May the best man win! It’s gonna take a while to purge all the overpaid turdburgers on this team. draft O-Line this year and QB next year
December 20th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
This has been a most difficult season. Miserable to say the least. Long suffering seems to be this teams true journey. It was made clear this year. I don’t buy into the next year we’ll have Reggie and DA guys. The NFL has been littered with failed attempts at playoff runs. We must embrace the misery and woe. Get your mind good with it. We must stand with the humility. It’s all good.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
221,
Any thought on who should be our QB next season?
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I think it will be Palmer, whether we like it or not. They’re going to get the most out of him that they can. If they address the OL and OC (crossing fingers) Palmer can be a good player. The running game has been out of whack all year, we have THREE rushing touchdowns this season!! How’s that even possible?
December 20th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
DA is square as a pool table and twice as green.
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pool tables aren’t square and many of them aren’t green. that joke book i advised u to get is cut-rate.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
My excitement at the onset of the season has turned into a humble reckoning. This season has been the dawn of enlightenment. You know thats right. I cat attest to and witness as a long suffering fan. Get good with it.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
I think it will be Palmer, whether we like it or not. They’re going to get the most out of him that they can. If they address the OL and OC (crossing fingers) Palmer can be a good player. The running game has been out of whack all year, we have THREE rushing touchdowns this season!! How’s that even possible?
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And one of them was Palmer!! WTF?!
December 20th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Jeremy Stewart 25 carries, Taiwan 6. C’mon man!
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and what did u see in those 6 carries that leads u to believe we are missing out on anything?
i know stewart carried the rock pretty well.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
DA is square as a pool table and twice as green.
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DA is as green as the grass on the other side of the hill.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
East Oak is obviously a Hue Jackson fan, not a Raiders fan
get lost imposter!!
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I’m a fan of winning, and I only brinh uo Hue because folks like to pi on hi name like he was Joe Bugel or something, now get off my ball lil flea.
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hue didn’t win here.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
, we have THREE rushing touchdowns this season!! How’s that even possible?
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Let the evidence speak for itself. I am here to witness the truth. My stand is on rock solid ground. It is what it is, is putting it mildly. Calling it embarrassing and pathetic is incorrect. It is an opportunity to self reflect on futility and humiliation. All good for the soul. Get good with it.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
carson palmer 3987 yards 60.9% 22 td’s 14 int’s 85.0 rating #17 rated qb in the league.
and jackazzes in here think he’s “horrible”.
ignorant clowns.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
carson palmer 3987 yards 60.9% 22 td’s 14 int’s 85.0 rating #17 rated qb in the league.
and jackazzes in here think he’s “horrible”.
ignorant clowns.
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I’m a Palmer fan. Problem is he’s been compromised. Palmer with a certified and qualified OC would be a top five guy. He has been reduced. Not his fault. He knows it. It’s all good.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
carson palmer 3987 yards 60.9% 22 td’s 14 int’s 85.0 rating #17 rated qb in the league.
and jackazzes in here think he’s “horrible”.
ignorant clowns.
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I’m willing to give him my support because the running game is atrocious, and the line is suspect in places.
Not saying he’s horrible. But the fact is, he’s started 23 games and thrown 30 picks as a Raider.
If the running game can find a pulse, he’ll get better. Get some smaller, quicker linemen.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
we all know palmer is working with stiffs. the guys in here trashing him so their ignorance. they would be laughed outta the room with nfl people.
there’s a very good reason pryor hasn’t played much. listen to the coaches. they’re telling us. he ain’t ready. may never be.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
I will pray for the Raiders tonight like I always do. Not for a win on Sunday. That is weak. But prayers that they get well. That they may recieve good leaders and proper guidance in a league that is akin to a sea of sharks and shark hunters.
December 20th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
last season, 10 of his 16 picks came in 3 games, including his first two. u can’t even count that garbage. no preparation. sub-par wr’s.
and fumbles don’t count. he can’t help when he’s sacked or stripped due to poor line play.
he has thrown a few bad balls. most qb’s have.
but i’m telling u, if u actually watch the raiders games and come away thinking palmer sucks, then u have no football acumen to speak of.
it’s a joke.
December 20th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
Any thought on who should be our QB next season?
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Any thought at all leads to one and only one conclusion. Wake up. WTF is wrong with you?
December 20th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
if ur an actual football fan with actual knowledge of the game, and not some dickless idiot with some asinine agenda, then palmer is the LAST thing to worry about with the raiders.
December 20th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
the coaches have already stated that palmer will be our qb next season.
real fans should be worried about:
the o-line
the run game
the wr’s
the run defense
the pass rush
the pass coverage
special teams
coaching
basically, everything but the qb.
December 20th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
it’s like when the mariners were garbage and felix hernandez was going 12-12 while striking out 240 and having an era around 2.00, and instead of talking about run support, defense, more starting pitching, and the bullpen, fans wanted to talk about the setup man replacing king felix cu he was only winning 12 games. a non-idiot would know it was heroic that he was even winning that much.
December 20th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Terrell Pryor played and started for a major college football program. He compete at an elite level and thrived. The following players were all inferior to Pryor in college, however through circumstance have all been given the opportunity to prove their worth or lack of worth. HENNE QUINN PONDER LOCKER TEBOW GABBERT AND SO ON HAVE ALL STARTED NFL GAMES AND PRYOR IS BY FAR BETTER THAN THOSE CLOWNS.
Pryor is the victim of a pathetic coach and his staff of incompetent idiots, who have no business controlling others and their careers. FIRE DA, KNAPP and most if not all of the idiots Allen hired to assist him as none of them have proven themselves worthy.
If Mark Davis was truely sorry about the pathetic state of the Raiders he’d also fire or demote that fat POS Spots McKenzie who is ultimately reponsible for this garbage.
December 20th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Every time Knapp or DA speak, they illustrate just how dumb and out of touch they are. I realize Spot unwisely committed millions to Allen, so instead of firing him, I would demote him to a high paid scout or positions coach, hoping he’d quit. If he didn’t he’d still have limited impact on operations. The same with Reggie Mc (spots). Give him a job were he can be useful, but not destructive. He’s already proven to be a piss poor decision maker. It makes little sense sticking with losers and idiots, while expecting different results
December 20th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
pryors carrying palmers jock like he should
December 20th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
So CP3 says; Yeah, I’ll restructure, get me a little more protection so I have time to throw the fcking ball, maybe a wide reciever that will be at the same place we practiced all week, and a couple of lineman that aren’t turnstyles, and heck, I’ll seriously reduce my salary and play back up in three years (make me play and pay),but I,m going to put it on the line like I did with Brown in Cinnci: Knapp comes back and I’m outta here…..Wonder if they’d listen
December 20th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
hoffmans going to be your coaching change for the year
December 20th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
we have THREE rushing touchdowns this season!! How’s that even possible?
And one of them was Palmer!! WTF?!
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Did our Golden Haired Hero run one in? How’d I miss that?
December 20th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Derek Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Terrell Pryor played and started for a major college football program. He compete at an elite level and thrived. The following players were all inferior to Pryor in college, however through circumstance have all been given the opportunity to prove their worth or lack of worth. HENNE QUINN PONDER LOCKER TEBOW GABBERT AND SO ON HAVE ALL STARTED NFL GAMES AND PRYOR IS BY FAR BETTER THAN THOSE CLOWNS.
Pryor is the victim of a pathetic coach and his staff of incompetent idiots, who have no business controlling others and their careers. FIRE DA, KNAPP and most if not all of the idiots Allen hired to assist him as none of them have proven themselves worthy.
If Mark Davis was truely sorry about the pathetic state of the Raiders he’d also fire or demote that fat POS Spots McKenzie who is ultimately reponsible for this garbage.
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this is nonsense. pryor was superior to quinn and tebow? are u kidding me? better check the stats boy.
December 20th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Derek Says:
HENNE QUINN PONDER LOCKER TEBOW GABBERT AND SO ON HAVE ALL STARTED NFL GAMES AND PRYOR IS BY FAR BETTER THAN THOSE CLOWNS.
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We sneak into the playoffs. This year or next year. Are you going to start and play Pryor or Palmer?
December 21st, 2012 at 12:00 am
You know, when all is said and done, Carson Palmer threw his cards on the table and told Mike Brown to piss off. Mike Brown harumphed,coughed and eventually capitulated, and Carson won that one little battle and that is my kind of QB. Andy Dalton, Hue Jackson nevermind. CP3 won that one.
December 21st, 2012 at 12:01 am
Midnight. Ask not for whom the bell tolls. It’s me.
December 21st, 2012 at 12:21 am
The Princess Bride is coming on shortly. I’ll smoke a funny cig and fall asleep watching it.
You keep saying that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
Let me explain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up.
December 21st, 2012 at 12:25 am
carson palmer is an adult man. he decided he no longer wanted to work for that organization. he told them basically to fu@k off. he has that right. i reserve that right myself, if i decide i don’t want to work for someone. contrary to missdick’s idiotic notion, they are not slaves. people in business do things like this all the time, especially owners of nfl teams. i never held it against him in any way.
as fans, we like to think of the game like we did when we were kids. we like loyalty, and playing hard for the principle. in reality, these are grown men entertaining us for big money, and putting their physical and mental health at risk. they’d be fools to not run their football careers like a business. at any time, they can be injured seriously and lose their paychecks at the very least. good for palmer.
December 21st, 2012 at 12:28 am
i love that movie.
Inigo Montoya: Who are you?
Man in Black: No one of consequence.
Inigo Montoya: I must know…
Man in Black: Get used to disappointment.
Inigo Montoya: ‘kay.
December 21st, 2012 at 12:32 am
It’s starting now and I am smoking a funny cigarette. In the old days, TV was books.
December 21st, 2012 at 12:35 am
you got AMC, Robert?
December 21st, 2012 at 12:36 am
Good thing that Pryor package took until week 16.
December 21st, 2012 at 12:36 am
i love tv and movies. greatest art form ever. a great film blows away a play or a book. of course, there’s “real housewives”, so…..
December 21st, 2012 at 12:37 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 12:35 am
you got AMC, Robert?
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indeed.
December 21st, 2012 at 12:38 am
btw, just watched “killing them softly”, the new brad pitt movie. it had some good potential, but ultimately failed.
December 21st, 2012 at 12:39 am
Our short bald protagonist here reminds of somebody.
December 21st, 2012 at 12:40 am
i haven’t seen some that need seeing, but my favorite movies of the year thus far:
wanderlust (laughed out loud many times)
end of watch
skyfall
moonrise kingdom
wreck-it ralph
madagascar 3 (the penguins kill me–way better than the first two)
brave
December 21st, 2012 at 12:42 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 12:39 am
Our short bald protagonist here reminds of somebody.
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actually, missdick reminds me of the damon wayans character on “in living color” that was in prison and had read a few books, and thought he was smart now, but he was a complete idiot.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=aaplw&p=damon+wayans+prison+character
December 21st, 2012 at 12:44 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJyfozezSpI
December 21st, 2012 at 1:16 am
“Life is pain. Anyone that says different is selling something.”
The Dread Pirate, Robert.
December 21st, 2012 at 1:25 am
Good night, morning crew.
December 21st, 2012 at 1:31 am
M.Shorter Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Have you guys noticed that teams that win superbowls. have a head coach and Quarterback that are really close with each other not just on a football level. But on an emotional and metal level as well. Manning and Dungy. Brady and Bel. Big Ben and Tomlin. Manning and Couflin.
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So what you’re saying is, that Hue and Palmer were close and so if Hue stayed on another 1-2 years and got his own DC, we’d be Super Bowl champs either 2013 or 2014.
December 21st, 2012 at 3:32 am
Why on earth would you force feed carson palmer. You HAVE to see what Pryor has, good or bad. This coaching staff is too formal and by the book. I would like to see them go to be honest with.
The problem with Carson is that he is 33 going on 34 and due some $17mil on a team that is not going anywhere next year. Carson can’t help THIS team! He can help OTHER teams that have better rosters but just miSsing a QB.
This Raiders team is garbage. Its not about a player here or there. The entire team is junk. DMAC is brittle, DHB goes entire games with 0 catches and is just a guy. The entirety of the defense is useless. Most of the vets will be out of the league once cut this offseason.
Build the lines and avoid “flashy” positions like receiver and cornerback. Get D lineman, O Lineman and linebackers.
All those picks on corners and receivers and the guy is some UFA from Temple.
December 21st, 2012 at 4:05 am
Dr Bob says QB fumbles don’t count as turnovers and INT’s dont count either if you have crappy WR’s
LOL!!
drop some more knowledge bombs on us bro
December 21st, 2012 at 4:09 am
#275…
I agree completely with everything you posted. It’s been my stance all along.
December 21st, 2012 at 4:12 am
#260 Palmer signed a contract. Nobody forced him to do it. His agent could have requested a shorter one. restructured to the vet minimum so they could trade him. Palmer just decided to stay home like Jake Plummer and abandon the team that set him up financially for life. not the mention the fans, coaches and his teammates. He was the #1 overall pick that Cincy envisioned turning their franchise around. They had high hopes for him.
i’m sorry but if you sign a contract, you’re obligated to honor the terms. thats life. Palmer didn’t do the right thing. The guy is a POS
December 21st, 2012 at 4:17 am
#257 the notion that Palmer got the better of the Bengals is silly to me. That football team got better the moment they traded him. More wins and fewer turnovers. Plus they got some nice draft choices to boot!
then you saw Palmer’s “revenge game” against them. He was pathetic. I hate it when people call Carson a franchise QB, but then make excuses for why he hasn’t produced or try to carve up the stats to seem more favorable. Somebody was actually bragging on him and called him the 17th best QB, lol. Sorry, even if thats true is the 17th best QB worth $17 million?
December 21st, 2012 at 4:21 am
#279
Yep, and what the Bengals have done is a blueprint kind of for what the Raiders “should” do.
Ie, trade Palmer (and others) for tons of draft picks.
December 21st, 2012 at 4:23 am
we have THREE rushing touchdowns this season!! How’s that even possible?
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McFadden – hurt
Goodson – hurt
Jones – sucks
Reece – hurt
Schmitt – cut
Stewart – undrafted rookie from the practice squad
plus you’ve got some terrible O-Liners and a QB that turns the ball over like it’s a wonderful accomplishment.
You notice when these cats are healthy, like last week with DMAC & Goods the team functions better. Thats because you’re taking the game out of Palmer’s hands. He becomes more of a game manager, like Jason Campbell was. Then the defense plays better too, because they aren’t gassed
December 21st, 2012 at 4:31 am
GG,
thats right. We’ve seen what Palmer can do. we’re in the process of rebuilding. Re-building teams scrap their high priced veterans and free up cap room to get younger players to groom for future success.
I’m putting DMAC, DHB, McClain, Huff, Branch & Kelly “on the block” as well. this team has a solid core of young kids that are ready to take the next step imo
we can add to that via trade, free agency & draft
isn’t it funny Reggie can pull some guys from a practice squad or make a waiver claim at final cuts to get a player BETTER than the proclaimed starter?
Adams & Ross > Bartell & Spencer.
Carry on BigMac. we know they aren’t all going to be homeruns!!
December 21st, 2012 at 4:39 am
#282…
I agree. The only issue I have is Reggie started the year thinking or planning to win now, and make playoffs. The season went pear-shaped. But I still don’t see an indication from Reggie/Allen that they’re truly rebuilding.
You’ve heard Allen/Knapp say how it’s imperative they bring back the entire roster pretty much. And how reports are Allen sees Palmer as his franchise QB.
Allen is a mouthpiece of Reggie.
It’s quite possible this entire regime seriously tried to win now and make the playoffs, and this is how bad they really are at it (4-12). And that they’ll carry forward into 2013 holding continuity and thinking they can still win now and make playoffs, with Palmer returning as starter, and Brisiel returning as RG, and once again we have to suffer thru a 4-12 season.
Maybe then all those people who support Reggie/Allen/Palmer will come around and be the most vocal wanting their firing.
December 21st, 2012 at 4:42 am
“It’s not by design,” Knapp said.
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Of course, because Knapp doesnt have the creativity to ‘design’ anything!
“We’re going to try and use some of his (Pryor’s) athletic ability this week,” offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said.
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It took him until week 16 to do this??
December 21st, 2012 at 4:50 am
horrible on 3rd down, horrible in red zone, horrible in first quarter yet knapp waits until they are 4-10..genius
December 21st, 2012 at 4:51 am
When any of our coaches talk or give interviews, they really show themselves up, really show how idiotic and bad they are as coaches.
Compare them with the talk/interviews of a number of the best coaches around the league (HC, OC, DC)…that’s the measuring stick by which we must judge our coaches with.
Our coaches are always behind the curve.
December 21st, 2012 at 5:00 am
Also meaning, people want to hang crap all on the players. Saying we have to upgrade. True. But the coaching staff is just as, if not more than, important as the players.
You can’t progress and succeed in the NFL unless you have a very good duality there of great coaches and great players.
Bad coaches running teams with good rosters….there are plenty of examples of them, and how the team and players struggled.
You need both.
Our coaching staff needs to be upgraded plenty in the off-season, no ifs or buts. And if Reggie/Allen make the mistake of not upgrading the coaching staff, they’re in for a terrible 2013 as well.
I seriously would scream if Knapp for instance returned because Reggie has premeditated a need for continuity for continuity’s sake — in light of Al’s recent past.
December 21st, 2012 at 5:03 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 4:31 am
GG,
thats right. We’ve seen what Palmer can do. we’re in the process of rebuilding. Re-building teams scrap their high priced veterans and free up cap room to get younger players to groom for future success.
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so how do explain reggies decision to not cut seymour and worse give seymour a new contract that when cut next year it hits our cap by over 5mil, or signing briesel to a 20 mil deal that when hes cut next year he hits our cap by 2.7, or franchising branch then signing him long term. throw in palmers restructuring and reggie made some very very bad decisions that do not line up with the so called rebuilding.
December 21st, 2012 at 5:06 am
#288…
“how do you explain”
Because Reggie/Allen GENUINELY tried to win now and make playoffs. GENUINELY thought they had the roster and coaches to do it.
And they (reggie/allen/knapp/tarver) svcked so bad at it, commandeering a 4-12 season.
I swear, if they bring back almost the entire staff and players, this regime is fvcked.
December 21st, 2012 at 5:10 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 4:31 am
isn’t it funny Reggie can pull some guys from a practice squad or make a waiver claim at final cuts to get a player BETTER than the proclaimed starter?
Adams & Ross > Bartell & Spencer.
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bartell and spencer were reggies choices, what a disaster
December 21st, 2012 at 5:13 am
reggie has done nothing to give you confidence that he is the right guy. he was clear to point out all his excuses for 2012 in the last press conference, 2013 no excuses
December 21st, 2012 at 5:25 am
“It’s just very important to stay disciplined in your responsibilities,” Wheeler said.
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A record setting day for Cam then.
December 21st, 2012 at 5:26 am
2013 no excuses
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I hear that! Everybody KNEW this season was lost from the standpoint of being cap ’strapped’ and minimal low round draft choices… But there is no excuse next year!! Just as the players are being scoped, the coaches need to be HEAVILY evaluated. Hone in on the coaches and players that will help this team SUCCEED in 2013!!
December 21st, 2012 at 5:27 am
The best thing for the country is to go over the cliff.
Enough of this band-aid crap, just rip it off.
If we are going to raise taxes, raise them on everybody. Why do the rich have to pay more? What did they do? If only one class should get taxed, it should be the do-nothing poor people.
December 21st, 2012 at 5:29 am
Half of this years team won’t be back next year…… So next years team is also a big ?….I don’t expect much for a couple yrs
December 21st, 2012 at 5:59 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 4:05 am
Dr Bob says QB fumbles don’t count as turnovers and INT’s dont count either if you have crappy WR’s
LOL!!
drop some more knowledge bombs on us bro
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they count statistically as turnovers, but they’re not the qb’s fault. pretty obvious actually.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:01 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 4:12 am
#260 Palmer signed a contract. Nobody forced him to do it. His agent could have requested a shorter one. restructured to the vet minimum so they could trade him. Palmer just decided to stay home like Jake Plummer and abandon the team that set him up financially for life. not the mention the fans, coaches and his teammates. He was the #1 overall pick that Cincy envisioned turning their franchise around. They had high hopes for him.
i’m sorry but if you sign a contract, you’re obligated to honor the terms. thats life. Palmer didn’t do the right thing. The guy is a POS
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bullsh!t. do teams honor the duration of players’ contracts? not a bit. as soon as they decide u can’t help them anymore, bye bye. ur obviously someone who thinks professional sports are like little league. it’s a business. the bengals weren’t interested in trating him “fairly”. they wanted to make money off him. if he’s making 10 million, u can bet ur life, the team is making twenty.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:01 am
I really hope they bring in Greg Jennings or Bowe, that would be great d moe and ford, I think it’s time to cut or losses with DHB he is not a football player. Please fix the o line
December 21st, 2012 at 6:02 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 4:17 am
#257 the notion that Palmer got the better of the Bengals is silly to me. That football team got better the moment they traded him. More wins and fewer turnovers. Plus they got some nice draft choices to boot!
then you saw Palmer’s “revenge game” against them. He was pathetic. I hate it when people call Carson a franchise QB, but then make excuses for why he hasn’t produced or try to carve up the stats to seem more favorable. Somebody was actually bragging on him and called him the 17th best QB, lol. Sorry, even if thats true is the 17th best QB worth $17 million?
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stats don’t lie. but u do. he’s the #18 qb of ALL-TIME! it’s FACT.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:04 am
carson palmer 3987 yards 60.9% 22 td’s 14 int’s 85.0 rating #17 rated qb in the league.
saying he’s bad is just so dumb it hurts.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:05 am
Raider-In-PA Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 4:42 am
“It’s not by design,” Knapp said.
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Of course, because Knapp doesnt have the creativity to ‘design’ anything!
“We’re going to try and use some of his (Pryor’s) athletic ability this week,” offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said.
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It took him until week 16 to do this??
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their evaluation of him is that he isn’t any good. deal with it.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:05 am
I would like Gregg Jennings, but what does it tell you if GB decides to move on from him?
You have the injuries, but this is really his first year being banged up.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:09 am
GB is also stacked with young talent at WR, and may not even offer Jennings a contract
December 21st, 2012 at 6:10 am
The fact that DA has failed to see what we have in TP is reason alone that he will be fired…on top of the fact that this team has regressed this much!!!
DA’s incompetence will cost him, with the continued regression that will take place over the last 2 games, it will seal his fate!!!
December 21st, 2012 at 6:11 am
They have Jordy Nelson and Cobb, but Cobb drops a TON of passes, and Rodgers has already expressed concern about him and his drops.
Who else? They are also talking about ditching Finley as well.
Maybe Jennings got a little too “Hollywood” for GB with all his new commercials.
Not sure.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:11 am
DA is not being fired.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:12 am
dr_robert Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:05 am
Raider-In-PA Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 4:42 am
“It’s not by design,” Knapp said.
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Of course, because Knapp doesnt have the creativity to ‘design’ anything!
“We’re going to try and use some of his (Pryor’s) athletic ability this week,” offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said.
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It took him until week 16 to do this??
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their evaluation of him is that he isn’t any good. deal with it.
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You trust this Coaching Staff to evaluate talent??!!
Wow!!! How lost can a person be?
December 21st, 2012 at 6:13 am
Ddwight Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:10 am
The fact that DA has failed to see what we have in TP is reason alone that he will be fired…on top of the fact that this team has regressed this much!!!
DA’s incompetence will cost him, with the continued regression that will take place over the last 2 games, it will seal his fate!!!
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this is a joke. “failed to see what we have in TP”? and u have seen it? seen what? the dude has barely played. and guys on here think he’s some great thing being held back. u haven’t seen sh!t.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:13 am
I’m starting to feel that none of these coaches will get fired, they are blaming the al Davis hold over players for the teams woes. it’s not our coaching but the terrible players al Davis selected
December 21st, 2012 at 6:13 am
XMAS IS CANCELLED..
December 21st, 2012 at 6:14 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:11 am
DA is not being fired.
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He will be fired if this team doesnt look good losing these final 2 games—FOR SURE!!!
December 21st, 2012 at 6:15 am
I’m starting to feel that none of these coaches will get fired, they are blaming the al Davis hold over players for the teams woes
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Rightfully so, those losers have never won anything.
DA and Knapp have won playoff games as co-ordinators, and DA was part of a Super Bowl winning staff.
I’ll take his pedigree over TK and DHB’s.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:15 am
POST-309,HAD TO FIGURE THAT WOULD BE A BUILT IN EXCUSE FOR A YEAR AT LEAST.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:16 am
Ddwight Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:12 am
dr_robert Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:05 am
Raider-In-PA Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 4:42 am
“It’s not by design,” Knapp said.
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Of course, because Knapp doesnt have the creativity to ‘design’ anything!
“We’re going to try and use some of his (Pryor’s) athletic ability this week,” offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said.
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It took him until week 16 to do this??
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their evaluation of him is that he isn’t any good. deal with it.
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You trust this Coaching Staff to evaluate talent??!!
Wow!!! How lost can a person be?
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they’re professionals with a resume and very well respected, whether u agree or not. i trust them a lot better than i trust u.
ur just some guy sitting at home in front of his computer. and somehow u have determined that pryor js a magnificent qb, when pretty much every nfl insider thinks otherwise.
so let’s see. u think he’s great. so do a bunch of dullards on this board.
but DA and his staff see it the same way a bunch of other insiders, who have seen tons of tape, and have years of experience, do.
yeah, i’ll go with them.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:17 am
dr_robert Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:13 am
Ddwight Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:10 am
The fact that DA has failed to see what we have in TP is reason alone that he will be fired…on top of the fact that this team has regressed this much!!!
DA’s incompetence will cost him, with the continued regression that will take place over the last 2 games, it will seal his fate!!!
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this is a joke. “failed to see what we have in TP”? and u have seen it? seen what? the dude has barely played. and guys on here think he’s some great thing being held back. u haven’t seen sh!t.
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What have you seen??? This Vagabond circus act!!
Fans like you are satisfied with coaches like DA,KNAPP,TARVER…shows your low football acumen.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:18 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Palmer, obviously wasn’t the answer to our playoffs/superbowl hopes and reams, but it wasn’t his fault…some of you say he quit on Cinci…maybe he did, but its a two way business as well…if a player has to honor his contract and terms, shouldn’t the team have to do the same? There’s a lot of speculation going on and remember, opinions are not facts!
December 21st, 2012 at 6:18 am
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
221,
Any thought on who should be our QB next season?
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I think it will be Palmer, whether we like it or not. They’re going to get the most out of him that they can. If they address the OL and OC (crossing fingers) Palmer can be a good player. The running game has been out of whack all year, we have THREE rushing touchdowns this season!! How’s that even possible?
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basically
Pryor/Palmer – Oakland
Vick – to Jets or Bills
Sanchez – to team that drafts Matt Barkley – KC or Arizona?
Flacco – still at Baltimore – Norv as OC?
Matt Moore – (maybe replaces Leinart?)
cap space (doesnt mean they will spend heavily in free agency, just the raw numbers)
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
221,
Any thought on who should be our QB next season?
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I think it will be Palmer, whether we like it or not. They’re going to get the most out of him that they can. If they address the OL and OC (crossing fingers) Palmer can be a good player. The running game has been out of whack all year, we have THREE rushing touchdowns this season!! How’s that even possible?
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basically
Pryor/Palmer – Oakland
Vick – to Jets or Bills
Sanchez – to team that drafts Matt Barkley – KC or Arizona?
Flacco – still at Baltimore – Norv as OC?
Matt Moore – (maybe replaces Leinart?)
cap space (doesnt mean they will spend heavily in free agency, just the raw numbers)
Jacksonville (20.1 mil) (notoriously frugal)
Eagles (20.1 mil) (in good position to release a lot of players draft high and still get FA’s) very enviable position for next coach – dont be surprised if they dont bounce back
Kansas City Chiefs (13.8 mil) very disappointing – should be much better
Seahawks (13.5 mil) what happens when you get a lower round QB, all money isnt tied into QB.
Tampa Bay (11.7 mil) never spend, either and you see the results.
Tennessee (14.1 mil) seem to be stuck in neutral.
Buffalo (11.7 mil) – too tempting to take Vick on a one year rental & wait for Logan Thomas in 2014.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:19 am
Ddwight Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:17 am
dr_robert Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:13 am
Ddwight Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:10 am
The fact that DA has failed to see what we have in TP is reason alone that he will be fired…on top of the fact that this team has regressed this much!!!
DA’s incompetence will cost him, with the continued regression that will take place over the last 2 games, it will seal his fate!!!
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this is a joke. “failed to see what we have in TP”? and u have seen it? seen what? the dude has barely played. and guys on here think he’s some great thing being held back. u haven’t seen sh!t.
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What have you seen??? This Vagabond circus act!!
Fans like you are satisfied with coaches like DA,KNAPP,TARVER…shows your low football acumen.
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LOL. i never said i was satisfied with them. but i’m not an idiot. i’m not gonna go overboard like so many clowns here.
my football acumen is so far beyond u and just about everyone here, it’s ridiculous. i’m a doctor. i know what i’m doing.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:19 am
GB Nelson, Cobb and Jones at WR and Finley at TE also a good recieving threat. I would say good talent WR, I guess it all depends on the price of Jennings.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:21 am
#314
I didnt say that TP, was the next coming of Joe Montana…my comment was about these Coaches lack of ability to coach this team properly…you probably never even caughht or thrown a football in your life!
December 21st, 2012 at 6:21 am
reggie ain’t tradin’ draft picks for anyone. reasonably priced FA’s and draft picks. there’ ur un-exciting plan. get used to the idea.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:22 am
The coaches I want gone are knapp the o line coach and special teams coach, knapp has to go his play calling is awful with no imagination
December 21st, 2012 at 6:22 am
OOh, Im sorry DR.WELBY,,,,oops or I mean CASEY,,,oops or I mean?????????
December 21st, 2012 at 6:23 am
Ddwight Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:21 am
#314
I didnt say that TP, was the next coming of Joe Montana…my comment was about these Coaches lack of ability to coach this team properly…you probably never even caughht or thrown a football in your life!
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i played for the one of the best high school teams in the country. #3 in the country when i was there. 15 straight undefeated seasons.
and i coach high school football.
so, yeah, i think i know a bit.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:23 am
#318
ddwight Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:22 am
OOh, Im sorry DR.WELBY,,,,oops or I mean CASEY,,,oops or I mean?????????
December 21st, 2012 at 6:24 am
it’s dr. robert. respect the coat. me and pepper, dre, and detroit know what’s up.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:24 am
Reggie will get this roster cleaned up, I believe that. But also get this coaching staff cleaned up as well, fire knapp and his o line coach
December 21st, 2012 at 6:25 am
dr_robert Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:05 am
Raider-In-PA Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 4:42 am
“It’s not by design,” Knapp said.
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Of course, because Knapp doesnt have the creativity to ‘design’ anything!
“We’re going to try and use some of his (Pryor’s) athletic ability this week,” offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said.
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It took him until week 16 to do this??
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their evaluation of him is that he isn’t any good. deal with it.
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Deal with this Dr Bob, you expert… Pryor may not be an NFL QB, but everybody clamors over his ability to possibly be a WR or TE… The fact that Knapp is too blind to use one of the best ‘athletes’ on his team is inexcusable!! Especially since we dont seem to have a ‘play maker’ on offense…
December 21st, 2012 at 6:25 am
u guys want something to get excited about. i get it. but when u see pryor play, u will probably be disappointed.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:27 am
pryor isn’t a high level priority. it’s just a fact. u guys need to stop crying about it.
and they’re not gonna switch positions for the guy in the middle of the season. they likely still think he COULD develop in time, but not anytime soon.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:27 am
Who cares who they play, these last two games Palmer will be the starter next year, Pryor is not good enough to hold palmers jock strap yet.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:28 am
dr_robert Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:24 am
it’s dr. robert. respect the coat. me and pepper, dre, and detroit know what’s up.
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I really dont care who you are…Im stating facts about a team that has regressed so much, that nobody expected it would be this bad,even with boneheaded hirings of Knapp and Tarver!
Mark Davis didnt expect this…and the last 2 games will be the deciding factor here.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:28 am
Raider-In-PA Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:25 am
dr_robert Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:05 am
Raider-In-PA Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 4:42 am
“It’s not by design,” Knapp said.
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Of course, because Knapp doesnt have the creativity to ‘design’ anything!
“We’re going to try and use some of his (Pryor’s) athletic ability this week,” offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said.
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It took him until week 16 to do this??
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their evaluation of him is that he isn’t any good. deal with it.
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Deal with this Dr Bob, you expert… Pryor may not be an NFL QB, but everybody clamors over his ability to possibly be a WR or TE… The fact that Knapp is too blind to use one of the best ‘athletes’ on his team is inexcusable!! Especially since we dont seem to have a ‘play maker’ on offense…
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do u know how hard it is to play wr in the nfl? for a guy who has never played it?
it’s usually 3 years before a guy comes into his own.
one of the best athletes? who cares? what, are we in the olympics? he would likely suck even worse if u tried putting him out there at wr right now.
how long have u been watching the nfl?
December 21st, 2012 at 6:30 am
Ddwight Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:28 am
dr_robert Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:24 am
it’s dr. robert. respect the coat. me and pepper, dre, and detroit know what’s up.
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I really dont care who you are…Im stating facts about a team that has regressed so much, that nobody expected it would be this bad,even with boneheaded hirings of Knapp and Tarver!
Mark Davis didnt expect this…and the last 2 games will be the deciding factor here.
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maybe, but i doubt it. DA and whoever he wants back will be back next season. in a year from now, if it’s not right, then u may get ur wish.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:31 am
what happens if:
1) the raiders win the next 2 games
2) palmer plays well
3) pryor, in limited time, plays so-so or poorly
watch how fast all u guys start changing ur opinions
December 21st, 2012 at 6:33 am
Reggie told Mark the Raiders would make the playoffs this season.
Mark is NOT HAPPY.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:33 am
IS IT AT ALL POSSABLE THAT THE GM AND COACHES WILL,THROUGH DRAFTING AND OTHER AVENUES,GET SOME OTHER YOUNG PLAYERS IN HERE THAT CAN COMPLEMENT PRYOR AND HIS SKILLS.B4 THEY JUST THROW HIM OUT THERE TO GET KILLED / INJURED..
December 21st, 2012 at 6:33 am
I tell you what…if DA and his staff gets axed in a few weeks, I will be surprised, but then maybe not! DA and Tarver have shown that the game is too fast for them at times, and maybe DA is just not ready to take the reins…but when will he be? Or will he ever be? As for Knapp…I only hope and prayed that … oh what the heck, I think I wasted a perfectly good beer by whipping it at my wall when that was announced!
December 21st, 2012 at 6:35 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:33 am
IS IT AT ALL POSSABLE THAT THE GM AND COACHES WILL,THROUGH DRAFTING AND OTHER AVENUES,GET SOME OTHER YOUNG PLAYERS IN HERE THAT CAN COMPLEMENT PRYOR AND HIS SKILLS.B4 THEY JUST THROW HIM OUT THERE TO GET KILLED / INJURED..
You got a point there!
December 21st, 2012 at 6:42 am
how long have u been watching the nfl?
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40+ years, Dr. Expert!! All Im saying is put the kid on the field and see what he can do… NOBODY KNOWS what he can do.. If he truly cant do anything, cut him and move on… At SOME point, they need to figure out where he stands… That is a roster spot for somebody else who could make a contribution to this team, other than to be a topic of speculation…
I love how all you ‘experts’ ABSOLUTELY KNOW he is going to fail… If you were experts, you wouldnt be sitting here blogging…
December 21st, 2012 at 6:43 am
You can’t evaluate the other 10 starters offensively when your QB is throwing 5 yard passes at people’s feet.
It isn’t about evaluating TP ONLY, it is about evaluating everyone else as well.
A crappy QB stunts that evaluation process massively.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:46 am
DA will be scapegoated but it wasn’t DA’s fault.
DA didn’t want Knapp. Knapp is Reggie’s boy. DA wanted to run the spread.
Reggie ruined the offense by hiring Knapp and letting our best running back walk.
And Reggie didn’t do DA any favors when he let our only pass rusher walk and failed to replace him.
Don’t get me wrong DA needs to be fired but this is all on Reggie.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:47 am
There are all kinds of backup and 3rd string QB’s that didn’t have to “prove” they were backups, they just are.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:47 am
dr_robert Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:31 am
what happens if:
1) the raiders win the next 2 games
2) palmer plays well
3) pryor, in limited time, plays so-so or poorly
watch how fast all u guys start changing ur opinions
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As a Raiders fan that would be the worst case scenerio,,,but to answer your question, they probably unfortunately would keep there jobs…but I dont think thats gonna happen…1 thing that it appears that Mark has learned from his Dad, is not to gut a teams coaching-staff in middle of the season. Thats the worst thing to do.
But one thing you gotta understand Dr.Roberts…is Mark Davis is not happy AT ALL with this teams regression, (THATS A BAD SIGN FOR ANY TEAM) THATS A FACT.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:53 am
If we fire DA after one season, with no stadium resolution or long-term QB solution, we might not be able to lure over a HS coach for the job.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:56 am
Mush is always wrong.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:57 am
THAT A MAYBE JFB..A BIG MAYBE.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:57 am
There is a reason that we had to hire the Tom Cable’s and Hue Jackson’s of the world in the first-place, people who weren’t before they came here or after they left here even OC’s or DC’s. We are talking line coaches and assistant secondary guys.
DA had one year of co-ordinating experience, and that was about the best we could do.
At least the nostalgia of Al around might tempt a young and up and comer to come aboard, but with that gone as well, we are up the creek if we keep firing guys after one year, and pay HC’s bottom of the barrel salaries.
Sadly, DA-Knapp and Tarver is about the best we can do until we show some organizational stability, starting first and foremost with a new stadium.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:00 am
Raider fans deserve better.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:02 am
Not you Mush.
But the rest of the Raider Nation deserves better.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:04 am
Reggie cancelled football season for Raider fans this year.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:05 am
I did my part, I flew in from 2,000 miles away, attended a game, bought a boat load of crap, got multiple jerseys, purchase the Sunday ticket every year.
I spend money on the product, as crappy as it is, and never root for a loss like some pinheads in here.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:07 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:33 am
Reggie told Mark the Raiders would make the playoffs this season.
Mark is NOT HAPPY.
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u talked to him? didn’t think so.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:08 am
You got drunk and got yelled at by your wife.
You got Mushed.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:09 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:43 am
You can’t evaluate the other 10 starters offensively when your QB is throwing 5 yard passes at people’s feet.
It isn’t about evaluating TP ONLY, it is about evaluating everyone else as well.
A crappy QB stunts that evaluation process massively.
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precisely. they want to see what certain guys do together that might be on the filed next season. pryor is not in their plans at the moment. i like him. but it’s just fact.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:11 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:47 am
There are all kinds of backup and 3rd string QB’s that didn’t have to “prove” they were backups, they just are.
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ahhh. knowledge.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:13 am
I can pretty much guarantee the following regarding the Raider offseason:
There are no magic wands or quick fixes to 10 years of HORRIBLE DRAFTS AND OVERSPENDING ON OVER AGED/UNDER PRODUCTIVE FREE AGENTS LIKE SEYMOUR!!!
No coaches are going anywhere. The inmates no longer run the asylum. Accountability exists and any disgruntled players(McClain) will be gone.
The draft will have a heavy focus on both lines for the next two years. Remember that Reggie is missing 75% of his top two picks with his first two drafts.
Any free agent acquisitions will be of the practice squad variety like an Adams. No big money will be spent. Never has been worth it.
Draft:
1. DT (replace Seymour)
3. OT (replace Barnes)
Best available after that.
Seymour, McClain, Shaugnessy are gone. Carlisle retire (replaced by Bergstrom?).
If we can get a decent OT in round 3 Barnes will be gone or will be a reserve. He can not compete on his own against good DE’s.(Remember Denver?)
KELLY IS A HUGE PROBLEM. He represents a $10 million cap hit next year and he can not compete.
The last major bad contract we have to deal with.(5 years @$70 million. RIDICULOUS). Perhaps he can be part of a DT rotation as a backup but he is a horrible value realtive to his production.
I recognize that things may break a bit differently than my scenario but we have massive line issues on both sides of the ball.
Can we get a year out of Carter? Do we even want to bring Brisiel back? The reality is we will not be able to make a playoff push till 2014 at the earliest.
TOO MANY HOLES AND TOO FEW HIGH DRAFT PICKS.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:15 am
POST-352,AGREED AGAIN JFB.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:16 am
Reggie restructured Seymour’s contract this season and
MADE IT MUCH WORSE FOR THE RAIDERS CAP SITUATION.
Seymour’s contract is on Reggie.
He along with McClain should have been cut before this season started.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:16 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:15 am
POST-352,AGREED AGAIN JFB.
Yup, and we know that all too well!!!
December 21st, 2012 at 7:22 am
Regarding QB talk.
Palmer is rated number 17 in the NFL.
On the surface that is average.
Given the fact that we have had to play catch up all year with inexperineced WR’s and with at best an inconsistent running game, his performance has been rather good.
It would be nice to get TP some experience to get him ready to be a number two next year.
We have far greater concerns on the Oline AND Dline as compared to QB play.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:23 am
heres a magic wand….now if only someone could use it to slap reggie and DA out if oakland…
December 21st, 2012 at 7:24 am
Dr.
Reggie did not restructure Seymour’s contract.
It ends this year. Reggie had nothing to do with the KELLY AND SEYMOUR MESS.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:25 am
Check your facts.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:26 am
dont bother with facts….lol
December 21st, 2012 at 7:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 5:27 am
The best thing for the country is to go over the cliff.
Enough of this band-aid crap, just rip it off.
If we are going to raise taxes, raise them on everybody. Why do the rich have to pay more? What did they do? If only one class should get taxed, it should be the do-nothing poor people.
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Going over the cliff will no doubt cause the American and thus world economies to go back into recession. The highest earners got the LARGEST cuts under Bush. The reason the rich would pay more in taxes is it is good economic policy. If all the money in the US was redirected only to me, it would be great for me, but catastrophic for everyone but me. That is what has happened with 30 years of conservative dogma. Money has gone to fewer and fewer people, gutting the economy. That has to change or the economy will continue to get worse and worse over time.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:29 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 4:12 am
#260 Palmer signed a contract. Nobody forced him to do it. His agent could have requested a shorter one. restructured to the vet minimum so they could trade him. Palmer just decided to stay home like Jake Plummer and abandon the team that set him up financially for life. not the mention the fans, coaches and his teammates. He was the #1 overall pick that Cincy envisioned turning their franchise around. They had high hopes for him.
i’m sorry but if you sign a contract, you’re obligated to honor the terms. thats life. Palmer didn’t do the right thing.
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Wow! Pretty much sums it up. And JaMarcus continues to get sht on here. At least he showed up for work ready to fight for his job. JR has more integrity in his pinkie finger than Palmer will ever have!
December 21st, 2012 at 7:31 am
If only one class should get taxed, it should be the do-nothing poor people.
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And BTW, the “do nothings” do get taxed. If they buy anything, drive anything, use any power or phone, earn anything, and it is at a MUCH higher rate than Romney’s 12%.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:32 am
dr_robert Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:07 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 6:33 am
Reggie told Mark the Raiders would make the playoffs this season.
Mark is NOT HAPPY.
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u talked to him? didn’t think so.
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Where have you been?
Did you read or playback the Mark Davis conference 1 month ago?
Did he look or sound happy to you?
Or have you been to busy with your patients to had noticed it?
If you owned something that failed this bad,,,would you keep it status que?
December 21st, 2012 at 7:37 am
On March 8th Reggie restructured Seymour’s contract for the 2012 season.
Reggie lowered his 7.5 million base salary to 925,000
AND TURNING THE REST INTO A ROSTER BONUS THAT WILL BE SPREAD OUT UNTIL 2016.
Reggie tacked on another year to Seymour’s contract to further spread out the hit.
It’s on Reggie.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:38 am
DR
I did. Mr Davis signed Seymour to his present contract just before the NFL lockout/strike in 2011. It was a two year deal with $11.5 million guaranteed each year with the potential for a toatl of $15 million each year with incentives. He did that not being sure what the collective bargaining agreement would look like regarding free agents.
Mr Davis substantially over paid for Seymour and Kelly among others.
Reggie kept Seymour because of the enormous cap hit cutting him would represent AND HE HAD NO FIRST OR SECOND ROUND PICKS TO WORK WITH.
HE ALSO HAD RIDCULOUS CONTRACTS WITH ROUTT AND WIMBLEY.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:38 am
i’m sorry but if you sign a contract, you’re obligated to honor the terms. thats life. Palmer didn’t do the right thing.
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Palmer signed a contract and honored that contract. It was Mike Brown the owner and GM of Cincinatti that did not honor his agreements. Brown did a poor job of getting guys around Palmer. Palmer “retired” because he did not want Brown to franchise him and force him to return after his contract ended. Mike Brown makes Al Davis look like a cross between the recent Sf Whiner front office and Santa Claus.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:40 am
DR
All the reports I have say Seymour is done after this year. I have no indication of any extension.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:42 am
Look it up Charlie.
Just type in Richard Seymour restructures on Google.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:44 am
Reggie signed Richard Seymour through 2016 adding an additional year to his bloated contract.
Not smart.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:46 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:38 am
i’m sorry but if you sign a contract, you’re obligated to honor the terms. thats life. Palmer didn’t do the right thing.
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Palmer signed a contract and honored that contract. It was Mike Brown the owner and GM of Cincinatti that did not honor his agreements. Brown did a poor job of getting guys around Palmer. Palmer “retired” because he did not want Brown to franchise him and force him to return after his contract ended. Mike Brown makes Al Davis look like a cross between the recent Sf Whiner front office and Santa Claus.
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Please pull up a copy of Palmer’s contract and show me the part where Brown was obligated to “get guys around him”. And saying that Brown didn’t do that is blsht! Ever heard of Chris Henry, TJ Housh , Chad Johnson or Rudi Johnson? The guy was set up sir success there and didn’t get it done. Why is that so hard for you worshipers to admit??
December 21st, 2012 at 7:46 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:29 am
Wow! Pretty much sums it up. And JaMarcus continues to get sht on here. At least he showed up for work ready to fight for his job. JR has more integrity in his pinkie finger than Palmer will ever have!
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??? WTF ???
I dont know what you are smoking or huffing out of a brown bag but PLEASE share with the rest of the class please !! or were you dropped on your head ?? Jamarcus is and was one of the laziest and non motovated player i have ever seen !! and yes i was on his bandwagon when we drafted him, hell i even bought his jersey. but please stop with the “showed up ready to work ” bu11sh1t !!!
December 21st, 2012 at 7:49 am
For those of you who are critical of Palmer not finishing his contract need to remember you only know what the media tells you. We have know idea with what went on behind closed doors with Mike Brown, Lewis etc; so perhaps think about being so judgemental.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:49 am
*no
December 21st, 2012 at 7:51 am
Bills just agreed to a 10 year lease to stay in Buffalo. That’s good news to hear small market team stability. Hopefully the Raiders can get something worked out or at least another extension.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:52 am
375.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:44 am
Reggie signed Richard Seymour through 2016 adding an additional year to his bloated contract.
Not smart.
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1. Reggie did not ‘restructure’ Seymours deal. He tore it up and gave him a brand new contract. Seymours deal ended this year, you can’t restructure a contract in its final year
2. It WAS smart because we were already in cap hell this year, Reggie HAD to spread it out. The cap hit for Seymour next year is only 5.5 mill. In terms of salary cap, all Reggie did was spread the cap hit for cutting Seymour over 2 years, instead of taking it this year.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
Pryor DOES NOT sound confident in interviews.
Not good.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
Please pull up a copy of Palmer’s contract and show me the part where Brown was obligated to “get guys around him”. And saying that Brown didn’t do that is blsht! Ever heard of Chris Henry, TJ Housh , Chad Johnson or Rudi Johnson? The guy was set up sir success there and didn’t get it done. Why is that so hard for you worshipers to admit??
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This is the most worthless post you have ever put up and as someone who STILL thinks Jamarcus has a future in this league that is saying something. Please notice that all the people you named are no longer in the league. In fact Chris Henry is dead. And maybe the reason 85 was Ocho Cinco was because of Palmer not the other way around. 85 had no success anywhere else including with Brady in New England. Try a new hobby. Jamarcus Russell has.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
Check your facts.
Do I need to paste an article.
It was on the blog. March 8th 2012.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
For those of you who are critical of Palmer not finishing his contract need to remember you only know what the media tells you. We have know idea with what went on behind closed doors with Mike Brown, Lewis etc; so perhaps think about being so judgemental.
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I heard interviews with a bunch of former Bengals players last year after that trade was made, and not a single one of them said they blamed Palmer for retiring. Mike Brown continuously neglected to live up to the promises he made, to Palmer and others on the team concerning a myriad of things. Palmer still took his lumps afterwords and took all the blame on himself by saying he handled it wrong, when he could have eviscerated Mike Brown in public.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:56 am
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/raiders_dt_richard_seymour_has_contract_voided_will_become_a_free_agent_at_seasons_end/12410152
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Morning Fellas,
I found the above regarding Seymours deal.
It voided the last 4 years and 30 mil because He missed 5 consecutive games.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:56 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:46 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:29 am
Wow! Pretty much sums it up. And JaMarcus continues to get sht on here. At least he showed up for work ready to fight for his job. JR has more integrity in his pinkie finger than Palmer will ever have!
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??? WTF ???
I dont know what you are smoking or huffing out of a brown bag but PLEASE share with the rest of the class please !! or were you dropped on your head ?? Jamarcus is and was one of the laziest and non motovated player i have ever seen !! and yes i was on his bandwagon when we drafted him, hell i even bought his jersey. but please stop with the “showed up ready to work ” bu11sh1t !!!
Agreed, and talk about worshipping…???
December 21st, 2012 at 7:57 am
bcz24 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
For those of you who are critical of Palmer not finishing his contract need to remember you only know what the media tells you. We have know idea with what went on behind closed doors with Mike Brown, Lewis etc; so perhaps think about being so judgemental.
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I heard interviews with a bunch of former Bengals players last year after that trade was made, and not a single one of them said they blamed Palmer for retiring. Mike Brown continuously neglected to live up to the promises he made, to Palmer and others on the team concerning a myriad of things. Palmer still took his lumps afterwords and took all the blame on himself by saying he handled it wrong, when he could have eviscerated Mike Brown in public.
Yup!
December 21st, 2012 at 7:58 am
373.Charlie Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:40 am
DR
All the reports I have say Seymour is done after this year. I have no indication of any extension.
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Yes Seymour is done. He quit on us. He’s sitting out with a sore leg (he says). Its not like he is an edge rusher or Mike LB. With a sore leg he would still be more productive than Turd Sands. He Quit.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:58 am
By the way…good morning, Mike, Bcz, and everyone else in the Nation! And a good morning to you, Debo! I guess the end did not come today, as it is already the day after in other parts of the world…but it was fun while it lasted! LOL
December 21st, 2012 at 7:59 am
December 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
Check your facts.
Do I need to paste an article.
It was on the blog. March 8th 2012.
FIRE REGGIE NOW
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I know the facts. It is also a fact that Reggie added a void clause to Sey’s contract, which only leaves us on the hook next year for the remaining cap charge of $5.2 mill for the accelleration of his signing bonus.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:59 am
BTW, I just had to say that giving Pryor the most playing time he has had in his NFL career this sunday sounds like a questionable move.
Why you ask? Well, He is going against a defense that is well schooled in defending what Pryor does best.
I mean Carolina does practice against Cam Newton all week, right?
I really believe the coaching staff is setting Pryor up to fail even if it is indirectly.
Lack of thought went into this. Pryor should have been getting his feet wet weeks ago when we knew playoffs weren’t happening.
Now when Pryor is gone after the season the coaching staff can say “we tried”.
What a joke.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:00 am
The only thing Jamarcus ever ‘fought’ for was his rookie contract, and that ‘fight’ much like most of Jamarcus’ career entailed him NOT working.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:01 am
377.R8ER MIKE Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:46 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:29 am
Wow! Pretty much sums it up. And JaMarcus continues to get sht on here. At least he showed up for work ready to fight for his job. JR has more integrity in his pinkie finger than Palmer will ever have!
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??? WTF ???
I dont know what you are smoking or huffing out of a brown bag but PLEASE share with the rest of the class please !! or were you dropped on your head ?? Jamarcus is and was one of the laziest and non motovated player i have ever seen !! and yes i was on his bandwagon when we drafted him, hell i even bought his jersey. but please stop with the “showed up ready to work ” bu11sh1t !!!
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Hold on Mike, Debo has a point. JR showing up at work was the only place he could get some decent sleep.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:01 am
Even Steve Corkran admitted during one one of his live chats that Reggie’s restructuring of Seymour’s deal has turned out to be one of Reggie’s biggest mistakes so far.
And we all know that Corky has had hid nose firmly locked in Reggie’s posterior from day 1.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:02 am
Ouch, 504! LOL
December 21st, 2012 at 8:04 am
You could only call the new deal Sey got a mistake if the void clause wasn’t in it. The cap charge to cut Sey this year would have been 7.5 mill, with the restructure and the subsequent voiding of said restructure, Seys cap charge was 2.2 mill this year and 5.2mill next year. He spread it out over 2 years. Smart business, and the only option really with the cap nightmare he inherited
December 21st, 2012 at 8:05 am
Imagine there are a bunch of spiritualists over in the mayan pyramids of Chichinitza lighting candles and chanting, looking over at each other with puzzled looks on their faces. One of the them turns to the other other… “so it didn’t come today guys, it ain’t the end of the world!”
December 21st, 2012 at 8:05 am
Reggie is the man!
December 21st, 2012 at 8:06 am
JaMarcus is a piece of crap joke bum. And I’m the biggest LSU fan on here. He’s an embarrassment to the South. Let’s put talking about him to rest along with Seymour and Knapp.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:08 am
Papertiger418 Says:
December 20th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Another depressing thing; was listening to the Dan Patrick show and their blogger brought up potential topics for the poll question.
His main one was: Which team do you think is furthest from the Superbowl?
a)Jaguars
b)Jets
c)Chargers
d)Cardinals
e)Chiefs
Not one mention of the Raiders. We’re so bland we’ve even escaped notice on that end.
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If the Raiders were mentioned wouldnt you just complain “Were being singled out?!”
December 21st, 2012 at 8:09 am
waahhh we dont have any money…waaah…so how are we going to get players? A bunch of has beens on – year contracts (see bartell and spencer)
December 21st, 2012 at 8:09 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:01 am
Even Steve Corkran admitted during one one of his live chats that Reggie’s restructuring of Seymour’s deal has turned out to be one of Reggie’s biggest mistakes so far.
And we all know that Corky has had hid nose firmly locked in Reggie’s posterior from day 1.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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One of the most idiotic things the Raiders have done is fired people too quickly…which in turn, has amounted to more losing seasons.
What knowledgable GM would step into this mess to replace him?
Well?
December 21st, 2012 at 8:10 am
371.Charlie Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:38 am
DR
I did. Mr Davis signed Seymour to his present contract just before the NFL lockout/strike in 2011. It was a two year deal with $11.5 million guaranteed each year with the potential for a toatl of $15 million each year with incentives. He did that not being sure what the collective bargaining agreement would look like regarding free agents.
Mr Davis substantially over paid for Seymour and Kelly among others.
Reggie kept Seymour because of the enormous cap hit cutting him would represent AND HE HAD NO FIRST OR SECOND ROUND PICKS TO WORK WITH.
HE ALSO HAD RIDCULOUS CONTRACTS WITH ROUTT AND WIMBLEY.
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I love the double standards in here. Palmer is supposed to be Superman and leap bad receivers (dropped 13 would be td’s alone this season), historically bad defense, and weak running game with a single bound. “No excuses..he’s the QB..it’s on HIM” people say, but when it comes to Reggie the excuses come rolling in.
I know Reggie was up against it in alot of ways but show me a GM that isn’t.
I’m not saying ‘Fire Reggie’, i’m just saying i’m sick of hearing all that he can’t do and nothing about what he can or should.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:11 am
No no, lets keep doing it Al’s way… It only took 8 years to put a couple of 8-8 years together, and we haven’t won a Super Bowl in 30 years… That plan HAS to be the right one.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:11 am
any freakin gm…anybody but reggie mcdvmbaszs
December 21st, 2012 at 8:12 am
reggie=4-12 from two consecutive 8-8 speaks volumes…
December 21st, 2012 at 8:12 am
Bill Polian.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:13 am
RaiderLen Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:56 am
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/raiders_dt_richard_seymour_has_contract_voided_will_become_a_free_agent_at_seasons_end/12410152
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Morning Fellas,
I found the above regarding Seymours deal.
It voided the last 4 years and 30 mil because He missed 5 consecutive games.
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Yeah , i think he probably is saving himself to hit free agency next year…he’s got like 3 or 4 adopted kids to take care of…
good year for DT’s, too – so Raiders should be ok in top 3 or if they trade down.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:13 am
Bcz
Thank you.
Reggie spread the money with the restructure to simply get under the cap this year.
The contract for his “services” ends this year just like what he inherited!
At no time has he increased the duration of the deal.
At no time can he be remotely held accountable for the ridiculous nature of what he inherited relative to this deal or that of Kelly.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:15 am
I’m not saying ‘Fire Reggie’, i’m just saying i’m sick of hearing all that he can’t do and nothing about what he can or should.
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I have said a billion times in here what he can and should do… he is fvcking doing it. No one wants to hear that though. No one wants to hear that you cant be competitive with $40 million over the cap, and 5 draft picks AFTER the 3rd round. No one wants to hear that this team struggled to mediocrity 2 years in a row. No one wants to hear that doing things stat quo is going to lead to the same results of the last 30 fvckin years. Do you realize that Reggie had to install COMPUTERS in the scouting department when he got here, COMPUTERS! In 2012. Our scouting department didn’t have computers.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:16 am
[...] More Terrelle Pryor? Oh, Raiders. [Contra Costa Times] [...]
December 21st, 2012 at 8:17 am
I am trying with every fiber of my being to be patient with this mess.
I would rather we were not good for a few years but turn into a juggernaut that would be dominant for years (Patriots). If this team is built right it could happen. I will reserve judgement until I see the draft/free agency and the 2013 season. Then we will know if we are a couple years away or 10 more before we sniff a superbowl.
I like Palmer, I’m just wondering what the long term plan is.
Kirk Cousins welcome to Oakland We would like you to meet your new wideout Larry fitzgerald.
Sorry, I was dreaming again.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:17 am
Fire the three stooges
December 21st, 2012 at 8:17 am
But you guys are ignoring the fact that Reggie should have cut Seymour before the 2012 season.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:18 am
Fire the janitors
December 21st, 2012 at 8:19 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:10 am
371.Charlie Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:38 am
DR
I did. Mr Davis signed Seymour to his present contract just before the NFL lockout/strike in 2011. It was a two year deal with $11.5 million guaranteed each year with the potential for a toatl of $15 million each year with incentives. He did that not being sure what the collective bargaining agreement would look like regarding free agents.
Mr Davis substantially over paid for Seymour and Kelly among others.
Reggie kept Seymour because of the enormous cap hit cutting him would represent AND HE HAD NO FIRST OR SECOND ROUND PICKS TO WORK WITH.
HE ALSO HAD RIDCULOUS CONTRACTS WITH ROUTT AND WIMBLEY.
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I love the double standards in here. Palmer is supposed to be Superman and leap bad receivers (dropped 13 would be td’s alone this season), historically bad defense, and weak running game with a single bound. “No excuses..he’s the QB..it’s on HIM” people say, but when it comes to Reggie the excuses come rolling in.
I know Reggie was up against it in alot of ways but show me a GM that isn’t.
I’m not saying ‘Fire Reggie’, i’m just saying i’m sick of hearing all that he can’t do and nothing about what he can or should.
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i think what is at issue is that the Raiders missed in the draft, while other teams didnt
Baltimore – Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Ray Rice, Haloti Ngata
New England – Tom Brady, Vince Wilfork, Brandon Spikes (lots of cheap role players who blew up in a superior scheme – Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker
S.F. – Patrick Willis, Aldon Smith, Dashon Goldson,
NYG – Eli, Justin Tuck, Corey Webster, (again role players that step up – Chase Blackburn, low round pick like Victor Cruz)
The Raiders have to get the front office in and get successive draft picks and a coaching staff to build a scheme.
Niners turn around largely because foundation was laid – Raiders pieced together a .500 team and overspent to do it. McKenzie has to continue the process…starting over again would really mean spending more on a “proven” coach/GM and would be under more pressure to win quickly.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:19 am
No genius, you are ignoring the fact that he didn’t have the cap space to absorb Sey’s cap hit in 1 year.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:22 am
Lets try this a different way. You want to fire reggie for spreading out sey’s cap hit… So, you are saying you want to PAY Reggie NOT to work here anymore, AND pay someone MORE (because no one is coming to an organization that fires a GM in 1 season) to replace him… Your logic is infallable.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:23 am
Fire all the raideretts…
December 21st, 2012 at 8:23 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:17 am
I am trying with every fiber of my being to be patient with this mess.
I would rather we were not good for a few years but turn into a juggernaut that would be dominant for years (Patriots). If this team is built right it could happen. I will reserve judgement until I see the draft/free agency and the 2013 season. Then we will know if we are a couple years away or 10 more before we sniff a superbowl.
I like Palmer, I’m just wondering what the long term plan is.
Kirk Cousins welcome to Oakland We would like you to meet your new wideout Larry fitzgerald.
Sorry, I was dreaming again.
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Looking for the quick fix. Its not gonna happen. Team was too accustomed to trades, spending in FA, and keeping scholarship people that never really amounted to anything, while letting quality guys go for rookies that didnt pan out.
Everything that could go wrong did. Have to hope for lightning in a bottle with the mid-round picks – that are durable and deliver. Have to find the Courtland Finnegan’s, the Marques Colstons and take chances on the Vontaze Burficts of 2013…. Reggie has got to find the gems in the draft AND UDFA.
they have what 9 mil in cap space for next year?! You can forget free agency.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:25 am
Fire the barber..
December 21st, 2012 at 8:26 am
fire reggie for being reggie…
December 21st, 2012 at 8:26 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:22 am
Lets try this a different way. You want to fire reggie for spreading out sey’s cap hit… So, you are saying you want to PAY Reggie NOT to work here anymore, AND pay someone MORE (because no one is coming to an organization that fires a GM in 1 season) to replace him… Your logic is infallable.
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You know who did crap like that? Daniel Snyder. And he only turned it around once he finally got a coach and a franchise-type QB.
McKenzie is under contract, so is Allen – but i have a sneaking admiration for Mark going down to the locker room and meeting with DA and McKenzie…there’s still that pride in him.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:27 am
Fire the fùck outta that barber…
December 21st, 2012 at 8:28 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:17 am
But you guys are ignoring the fact that Reggie should have cut Seymour before the 2012 season.
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The bottom line with that deal was that Warren Sapp flopped, then Randy Moss before him.
They simply DID NOT GET IMPACT PEOPLE in the draft. Not since C-Wood in 98 has there been anyone close to an impact player – maybe Huff and that was in spurts….
December 21st, 2012 at 8:28 am
ten and then…
nice parachute, ” i will take this job but we are giing to svck for many years…you cannot blame me”
December 21st, 2012 at 8:29 am
Marks Hair Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:27 am
Fire the fùck outta that barber…
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That is true. Doesnt somebody consult him…Pops had a better ‘do!
December 21st, 2012 at 8:30 am
” we are going to lose money for years and then we will see where we are at…”
investment broker at his interview…smh
December 21st, 2012 at 8:30 am
422.Marks hair Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:25 am
Fire the barber..
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I say give the barber a raise. Marks hairdo is a one of a kind masterpiece.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:31 am
“we are not going to catch any criminals for years…” cop at his interview
December 21st, 2012 at 8:31 am
You need a franchise qb…… again..
YOU NEED A FRANCHISE QB!!
If tp isnt gonna develope into that guy then we need to draft one. So play tp. Find out..duh
December 21st, 2012 at 8:32 am
No matter how you slice it 8-8 to 4-12 is a major step backwards and Reggie deserves most of the blame.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:32 am
“we will not put out any fires for years…water is too expensive” fire chief at his interview
December 21st, 2012 at 8:35 am
RaiderSam Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:23 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:17 am
I am trying with every fiber of my being to be patient with this mess.
I would rather we were not good for a few years but turn into a juggernaut that would be dominant for years (Patriots). If this team is built right it could happen. I will reserve judgement until I see the draft/free agency and the 2013 season. Then we will know if we are a couple years away or 10 more before we sniff a superbowl.
I like Palmer, I’m just wondering what the long term plan is.
Kirk Cousins welcome to Oakland We would like you to meet your new wideout Larry fitzgerald.
Sorry, I was dreaming again.
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Looking for the quick fix. Its not gonna happen. Team was too accustomed to trades, spending in FA, and keeping scholarship people that never really amounted to anything, while letting quality guys go for rookies that didnt pan out.
Everything that could go wrong did. Have to hope for lightning in a bottle with the mid-round picks – that are durable and deliver. Have to find the Courtland Finnegan’s, the Marques Colstons and take chances on the Vontaze Burficts of 2013…. Reggie has got to find the gems in the draft AND UDFA.
they have what 9 mil in cap space for next year?! You can forget free agency.
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I’m not looking for a quick fix, I’m saying if we are going to do this and go thru the growing pains let’s at least do it right.
When I mention a guy like Kirk Cousins it is not a quick fix, he could learn under Palmer for a year and be a guy to build around. We need a QB to build around for the long term. If we were playoff material the next few years Palmer would be good.
It is essential to Get a young QB soon.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:35 am
411.bcz24 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:15 am
I’m not saying ‘Fire Reggie’, i’m just saying i’m sick of hearing all that he can’t do and nothing about what he can or should.
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I have said a billion times in here what he can and should do… he is fvcking doing it. No one wants to hear that though. No one wants to hear that you cant be competitive with $40 million over the cap, and 5 draft picks AFTER the 3rd round. No one wants to hear that this team struggled to mediocrity 2 years in a row. No one wants to hear that doing things stat quo is going to lead to the same results of the last 30 fvckin years. Do you realize that Reggie had to install COMPUTERS in the scouting department when he got here, COMPUTERS! In 2012. Our scouting department didn’t have computers.
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It’s a minor issue in the grand scheme, but I thought he replaced the computers the scouts were using..not that they didn’t have them in the first place.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:36 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:28 am
ten and then…
nice parachute, ” i will take this job but we are giing to svck for many years…you cannot blame me”
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Let me give you a scenario that COULD work.
say McKenzie puts the mandate that he would re-shuffle coaching. wait for Philly, San Diego, KC and a few others staffs to shake out..maybe some people from New Orleans
then raid as many assistants as you can – Norv, perhaps Rocky Seto (from the Seahawks, Pete Charmichael, Bobby April (special teams)..maybe Curtis Modkins (from the Bills)
from those teams, look for some cheap FA’s that could be available. Eagles will have a lot..Gaither worked out, and so did Hanson, get more… Darryl Tapp, Demorrio Williams, a few others Alan Branch
then hit the draft hard. Maybe Star Louleleli or Joeckel (although OL’s are dangerous for top 3 picks) – Dee Milliner? Maybe a corner is shut down and Allen’s specialty was secondary.
if Allen gets experienced coordinators, and ST’rs, then he can focus on adding other components to the defense.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:37 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:30 am
422.Marks hair Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:25 am
Fire the barber..
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I say give the barber a raise. Marks hairdo is a one of a kind masterpiece.
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It makes Mo of the Three Stooges jealous!
December 21st, 2012 at 8:38 am
421.RaiderSam Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:23 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:17 am
I am trying with every fiber of my being to be patient with this mess.
I would rather we were not good for a few years but turn into a juggernaut that would be dominant for years (Patriots). If this team is built right it could happen. I will reserve judgement until I see the draft/free agency and the 2013 season. Then we will know if we are a couple years away or 10 more before we sniff a superbowl.
I like Palmer, I’m just wondering what the long term plan is.
Kirk Cousins welcome to Oakland We would like you to meet your new wideout Larry fitzgerald.
Sorry, I was dreaming again.
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Looking for the quick fix. Its not gonna happen. Team was too accustomed to trades, spending in FA, and keeping scholarship people that never really amounted to anything, while letting quality guys go for rookies that didnt pan out.
Everything that could go wrong did. Have to hope for lightning in a bottle with the mid-round picks – that are durable and deliver. Have to find the Courtland Finnegan’s, the Marques Colstons and take chances on the Vontaze Burficts of 2013…. Reggie has got to find the gems in the draft AND UDFA.
they have what 9 mil in cap space for next year?! You can forget free agency.
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Are you taking into account the cutting of Seymour (still have the 5.2 mill to eat) and the letting go of Lechler?
December 21st, 2012 at 8:39 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:35 am
411.bcz24 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:15 am
I’m not saying ‘Fire Reggie’, i’m just saying i’m sick of hearing all that he can’t do and nothing about what he can or should.
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I have said a billion times in here what he can and should do… he is fvcking doing it. No one wants to hear that though. No one wants to hear that you cant be competitive with $40 million over the cap, and 5 draft picks AFTER the 3rd round. No one wants to hear that this team struggled to mediocrity 2 years in a row. No one wants to hear that doing things stat quo is going to lead to the same results of the last 30 fvckin years. Do you realize that Reggie had to install COMPUTERS in the scouting department when he got here, COMPUTERS! In 2012. Our scouting department didn’t have computers.
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It’s a minor issue in the grand scheme, but I thought he replaced the computers the scouts were using..not that they didn’t have them in the first place.
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DJ Johnny, they have to do a better job screening the mind set of players , too.
Russell – Apanea/purple drank
B.Campbell – a bit slow on the uptake, despite massive physical abilities
McClain – hit the rookie wall, then self-imploded. Just couldnt overcome or even deal with leadership
Maybe the computer-analysis missed on injury-prone players , too.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:40 am
437,
There you go Raider Sam. Let’s talk about what he CAN do.
We can reasonable about it too at the same time.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:40 am
Part of Reggie’s job is to lower expectations.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:41 am
Somebody help me out here.
Im in the Championship of my FF league..
Who do I start..
Drew Brees @ Cowboys
OR
Matt Ryan @ Detroit..
I’m leaning Matt Ryan just based on what the Cowboys are playing for..however, Matt Ryan and Crew aren’t playing for anything either..Really Stuck here fellers.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:41 am
Seymour commented on the voiding of the contract as he returned to Raiders practice Monday.
“I would love to retire a Raider but I have earned the right to be a free agent,” Seymour said. “I really love wearing this uniform, we’ll see what happens.”
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I said this when RoMac got suspended and I’ll say it again. This is the difference between a smart vet and a young know it all like McClain. Both guys quit on the team. But one is still getting paid while the other missed two game checks.
When you are frustrated you have to be able to control what comes out of your mouth. Nobody owes you anything. Seymour says positive things and McClain wants to fight the HC. And Seymour will get another contract (Atlanta maybe) while McClain will be under a microscope in training camp of his next stop.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:41 am
“We’ve got the closest guy to him right here in Terrelle Pryor,” said running back Mike Goodson, a teammate of Newton’s last year.
Pryor, 6-foot-4, 233 pounds, has been simulating Newton this week, running read option plays and taking off on scrambles, passing in some instances and running in others.
goodson comparing pryor and newton
so is that what happened, they had pryor running scout and FINALLY gave him an extended LOOK ?
Then they noticed that the kid has talent?!?!?!
These idiots have ignored one of the most explosive players on our roster all year fro their blind palmer worship?!?!?
FIRE THESE LOSERS BIG MACK!!!!!
December 21st, 2012 at 8:43 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:38 am
421.RaiderSam Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:23 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:17 am
I am trying with every fiber of my being to be patient with this mess.
I would rather we were not good for a few years but turn into a juggernaut that would be dominant for years (Patriots). If this team is built right it could happen. I will reserve judgement until I see the draft/free agency and the 2013 season. Then we will know if we are a couple years away or 10 more before we sniff a superbowl.
I like Palmer, I’m just wondering what the long term plan is.
Kirk Cousins welcome to Oakland We would like you to meet your new wideout Larry fitzgerald.
Sorry, I was dreaming again.
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Looking for the quick fix. Its not gonna happen. Team was too accustomed to trades, spending in FA, and keeping scholarship people that never really amounted to anything, while letting quality guys go for rookies that didnt pan out.
Everything that could go wrong did. Have to hope for lightning in a bottle with the mid-round picks – that are durable and deliver. Have to find the Courtland Finnegan’s, the Marques Colstons and take chances on the Vontaze Burficts of 2013…. Reggie has got to find the gems in the draft AND UDFA.
they have what 9 mil in cap space for next year?! You can forget free agency.
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Are you taking into account the cutting of Seymour (still have the 5.2 mill to eat) and the letting go of Lechler?
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Thus making the draft even more critical. But a lot of teams (inc. Niners) will be up against it. they have like 590,000 in cap space for 2013. – they are prepping for a SB run.
They have to get foundation players. Lot of “complimentary” types. Burris, Wheeler, Adams, Bergstrom, Joselio Hanson. They need to get foundation starters that fit Allen’s vision of the defense AND get some more cheap bargain FAs – they’d be better off keeping Gaither, Hanson, and adding as many 1 mil and 800,000 FAs as they can.
A lot of the time, people just didnt understand the scheme and people were breaking open all over the place on pass defense.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:43 am
438.Raider-in-PA Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:37 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:30 am
422.Marks hair Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:25 am
Fire the barber..
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I say give the barber a raise. Marks hairdo is a one of a kind masterpiece.
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It makes Mo of the Three Stooges jealous!
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Lol. It shows that Mark is a trendsetter and maverick. He’s gonna do things HIS way.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:45 am
RaiderLen Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:56 am
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/raiders_dt_richard_seymour_has_contract_voided_will_become_a_free_agent_at_seasons_end/12410152
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Morning Fellas,
I found the above regarding Seymours deal.
It voided the last 4 years and 30 mil because He missed 5 consecutive games.
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Thanks RaiderLen.. Good info for everyone.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:45 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:41 am
“We’ve got the closest guy to him right here in Terrelle Pryor,” said running back Mike Goodson, a teammate of Newton’s last year.
Pryor, 6-foot-4, 233 pounds, has been simulating Newton this week, running read option plays and taking off on scrambles, passing in some instances and running in others.
goodson comparing pryor and newton
so is that what happened, they had pryor running scout and FINALLY gave him an extended LOOK ?
Then they noticed that the kid has talent?!?!?!
These idiots have ignored one of the most explosive players on our roster all year fro their blind palmer worship?!?!?
FIRE THESE LOSERS BIG MACK!!!!!
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Allen went through that Tebow messiah worship, and was determined a QB controversy wasnt going to happen. He just didnt have a scheme that favored gadget plays in the way experienced guys llke Belichek, Jeff Fisher, and Hue Jackson did.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:46 am
446,
Sam, Should it really take these guys THIS LONG to figure out Tarvers scheme? Apparently so.
If the defense plays real well this Sunday, might we take that as a sign they have turned the corner somewhat?
December 21st, 2012 at 8:48 am
Lol. It shows that Mark is a trendsetter and maverick. He’s gonna do things HIS way.
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He should set the trend of shaving his head….lol
I guess when you have that much loot, you dont give a f@ck what your hair looks like!
December 21st, 2012 at 8:49 am
448.cwolfman Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:45 am
RaiderLen Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:56 am
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/raiders_dt_richard_seymour_has_contract_voided_will_become_a_free_agent_at_seasons_end/12410152
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Morning Fellas,
I found the above regarding Seymours deal.
It voided the last 4 years and 30 mil because He missed 5 consecutive games.
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Thanks RaiderLen.. Good info for everyone.
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Just for clarification, Mark STILL owes him the 5.2 mill (that’ll be dead money against the cap) regardless correct?
December 21st, 2012 at 8:49 am
Newton is in the midst of his most efficient streak since being the No. 1 draft pick as the Heisman Trophy winner from Auburn in 2011. He hasn’t thrown an interception in 152 passes, the longest current streak in the NFL.
In a 30-20 win over Atlanta on Dec. 9, Newton ripped off a 72-yard touchdown run, the fifth-longest by a quarterback in the Super Bowl era.
At 6-foot-5, 245pounds, Newton has the size of a defensive end or tight end and the athleticism of a running back or wide receiver, a skill set that just happens to be attached to one of the game’s top throwing arms.
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and to think 99% of these clowns on this board said he would never make it.
This dude is rewriting he nfl record book and he and rgIII will be 2 of the greatest players the league has ever seen!!!!
This is why I am dying to see pryor. He doesnt have to be as good as those two, but he can be close.
He is faster not quite the passer.
He is capable of scoring on evrey single snap and he cant get on the filed?!?!?
Because the coaches dont want controversy?!?!?
FIRE THESE LOSERS!!!!!
December 21st, 2012 at 8:50 am
raidersam…the problem is that what free agent will want to come here on a 1 year contract? Only washed up, injury prone, almost out of the league guys. Add to that the word getting around on how DA and Reggie treat their players…players talk. Do you really think hanson can cover megatron? Fitzgerald? thomas? Reggie set up a terrible precedent, he needs to do a complete 180…
December 21st, 2012 at 8:51 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:41 am
“We’ve got the closest guy to him right here in Terrelle Pryor,” said running back Mike Goodson, a teammate of Newton’s last year.
Pryor, 6-foot-4, 233 pounds, has been simulating Newton this week, running read option plays and taking off on scrambles, passing in some instances and running in others.
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Did Pryor shrink? I’ve always seen him listed as 6′6.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:52 am
How they treat their players? What, they bench you if you don’t give maximum effort? Yeah, thats not a message you want getting around the league…
December 21st, 2012 at 8:53 am
Theres no qb controversy when the playoffs are out of reach.. tp should have started the last few games.. If we pass on a franchise QB in the draft because we didn’t bother to evaluate tp.. oh fùck….
December 21st, 2012 at 8:53 am
another myth…the defense did better the last game…are they learning tarvers scheme or are the chiefs that bad? Watch the game again….80% man…earlier in the season? 90% zone…they changed scheme…sane with the zbs, they added more power…trying to save their jobs.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:56 am
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!?
You finally noticed pryor because you had him imitating cams read option and scrambling. You had him run panther plays and noticed he can throw?!?!?
NOW DO YOU KNOW WHY I SAID PUT PRYOR IN THE PISTOL OR SHOTGUN AND LET HIM READ OPTION WITH DMAC AND REECE?!?!? IF NO NOTHING FANS LIKE ME KNOW THIS
WHY DIDNT ALLEN AND KNAPP?!?!?!
BIG MACK RID US OF THESE BLIND CLOWNS!!!!!
December 21st, 2012 at 8:56 am
taiwann has gotten how much playing time? pryor? ausberry? dmac talent wasted? coach wiz left? briesel gets a pass? adams fumbles? you get what you ask for…good practice players.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:57 am
Theres so many reasons to get tp on the field and no logical reasons to keep him on the bench.. these coaches are pure shìt
December 21st, 2012 at 8:59 am
Some of you have talked about Carroll arriving in Seattle as the real reason behind Seattle’s’ resurgence. Something we in Oakland have a right to expect. Immediate fix without doing the basics such as drafting well and building in the box talent.
Take a look at Seattle’s top two picks in the last six drafts and you will see that 9 OF THE 12 PICKS WERE TAKEN ON IN THE BOX PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mr. Davis would not let that happen. That was Cable’s preference all along and he said so in interviews. I watched them. It is a primary reason he was not retained.
FURTHER, MANY OF YOU ON THIS BLOG THOUGHT CABLE WAS A BUFFOON. WRONG AGAIN. HE OBVIOUSLY IS A KEY PART OF SEATTLE’S TURNAROUND!!!!!!!
“Ask any Seattle player, and he will speak of how important Cable has been. He has helped give Seattle its physical mindset. (Running back Marshawn) Lynch even waited for reassurance that Cable would be back for 2012 before he agreed to re-sign.”
Schefter opined that Cable is on track to be considered for another head coaching gig in the NFL based on the wonders he has worked with the Seahawks.
Moral of the story; Draft well and build your lines with high picks. Build your foundation through the draft and the wins will follow. The coaches then seem much smarter don’t they? That is why franchises like the Giants and Packers and Ravens and Steelers are successful. They have continuity in their coaches. They all have some assistant moves but the basic structure stays consistent.
That is what is needed in OAKLAND. The problem is far more a lack of talent on the field than lacking a cerebral fix from the press box.
OUR DRAFTS FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS ARE WORSE THAT AT ANY TIME IN FRANCHISE HISTORY:
JR, BUCHANON, WASHINGTON, BRAYTON, HARRIS, TEYO JOHNSON, McCLAIN, GALLERY, GROVE ETC. ETC. AWFUL!!!!!
Also please remain silent on what you should expect of Reggie and this new regime.
He is missing 75% of his top four picks with his first two drafts and he was way over the cap in his first year. He actually had to install computers for the scouting department and fire all the incumbents!!!!!! Name a recent one year turn around with that barrier in front of a staff.
Every circumstance is different and they are far more complicated than many of you seem to comprehend. Sure a coach can “HELP” improve a situation. It is not exclusively a coaching change that is involved. There a multiple factors that converge to create a winner. I have said repeatedly coaching is about 20 % of the equation. On field talent is far more important. Under close scrutiny, ALL seemingly quick fixes were preceded by several years of solid, unspectacular drafts especially “in the box “that built a solid core. (See Seattle).
It is time to realize immediate gratification is for kids, not adults. If you cannot handle the fact that we have been mismanaged for a decade, follow another team. This is a 3-5 year project unlike anything that has ever existed in the NFL. A COMPLETE AND TOTAL MAKEOVER.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:59 am
FIRE THIS STAFF!
December 21st, 2012 at 9:00 am
sam have you seen reggies picks at gb? a lot more whiffs than players…a lot.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:07 am
tebow and sanchez are out in nj, and they are giving macelroy the start.
Tebow was a free agent and sanchez the 5th overall draft choice, and they get sent to the bench
WHY THE FUGG IS PALMER STILL STARTING IN OAKLAND??!?!
19 turn overs against 22 tds and a 4-10 record are not good enough reasons for him to start these last few games.
He should have been retired to the bench last week.
Pryor has forced the coaches to play him more because of the wows he earned running cam newtons offense for the scout team
meanwhile kappy wilson rgIII and newton are setting the nfl on fire
Did big mck and davis have a hand in pryor getting an increased role?
on monday allen said pryors role would be the same as i was last week.
so pryor running scout team trying to imitate brady quinn wasnt impressive, but the minute he was in an offense that fit him he tore practice up?
THESE ARE THE WORST COACHES I HAVE EVER SEEN, FAILING TO PLAY PRYOR BEFORE NOW IS INEXCUSABLE!!!
FIRE THESE MUTHERFUGGERZ!!!!!
December 21st, 2012 at 9:07 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:00 am
sam have you seen reggies picks at gb? a lot more whiffs than players…a lot.
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Do you have a list of the players he has picked at GB? I’m not trying to be a smart @ss. I just have never seen a list of the players “he” picked.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:08 am
464.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:00 am
sam have you seen reggies picks at gb? a lot more whiffs than players…a lot.
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Should Belechick be fired then? His recent drafts have been less than spectacular.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:10 am
– The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.
– Second-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor will be used on some third-down and red-zone plays against the Panthers so that the Raiders “can create a different look the defense to contend with” and “try to use some of his athletic ability.”
Pryor played one series last Sunday against the Chiefs. The series consisted of two hand-offs and an incomplete pass from Pryor to wide receiver Darrius Hewyard-Bey.
Pryor has spent the better part of his two NFL seasons biding his time, learning from Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart and working on his accuracy, timing, mechanics and footwork.
Now he’s ready to take his game for a test drive, which means for more than three plays. Until that happens, Pryor said he doesn’t want to hear about any comparisons to Newton, Robert Griffin III and Colin Kaepernick.
“When it’s time for me, and I really get a lot of reps and get comfortable, I’ll have success,” Pryor said. “I really, truly believe that. Right now I’m just waiting. Right now I don’t want to compare myself to Kaepernick or Cam or any of those guys because them guys and Griffin have proved it. I haven’t proved anything.
“I can’t really say I’d be like them. I don’t know what I’m going to be like because I haven’t even played yet. I can tell from practice and certain plays that they run and certain plays that I run, I could tell I can do that in practice. It’s not when people are watching, so I can’t really compare myself to them.”
Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is watching at practice, and he said he likes what he sees from Pryor these days.
“I’ve definitely seen the progress during practice on his mechanics, the rhythm of his throws and the consistency of his footwork,” Knapp said. “He has taken to coaching very well. (Quarterbacks coach) John DeFilippo should get a lot of credit because he has spent a lot of time with him, as far as working on the individual part of the game.”
Pryor said he is satisfied with the improvements he has made since training camp, especially his accuracy and footwork. Getting a taste of what it’s like in a regular-season game gave him added confidence.
“I wasn’t really nervous because I studied them so much it was like second nature when I got to the line,” Pryor said. “Obviously, there’s a tiny bit of nerves. Obviously, I would have liked to play a little more and had a couple of different plays I’d really want to use, but I got an opportunity to get on the field and that’s a step from where I was. I can’t really complain. I’m just grateful my coaches let me get on the field.”
– Stat of the day: On passes longer than 20 yards downfield, Palmer is 10 of 50 (20 percent) for 432 yards, with three touchdowns and three interceptions. He went 16 of 45 (35.6 percent) for 618 yards, with six touchdowns and two interceptions last season.
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Should have been using Pryor in those situations earlier in the season insetad of deactivating him and have him do nothing.
More stats below showing how much Hue Jackson OWNS both DA and his crappy Knapp!
The staff and team is a joke.
So glad I didn’t waste my time and money with this crap coaching staff trying and failing to lead this team this season. They didn’t even have a season! Lol!
December 21st, 2012 at 9:10 am
yeah i posted a few days ago…the funny thing is, when a player works out (raji) he says he was instrumental in getting him here, he scouted him and insisted that he be drafted. But when a player flops…he only scouted him.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:12 am
belechik has brady…end of story…reggie is no belechik
December 21st, 2012 at 9:12 am
465.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:07 am
tebow and sanchez are out in nj, and they are giving macelroy the start.
Tebow was a free agent and sanchez the 5th overall draft choice, and they get sent to the bench
WHY THE FUGG IS PALMER STILL STARTING IN OAKLAND??!?!
19 turn overs against 22 tds and a 4-10 record are not good enough reasons for him to start these last few games.
He should have been retired to the bench last week.
Pryor has forced the coaches to play him more because of the wows he earned running cam newtons offense for the scout team
meanwhile kappy wilson rgIII and newton are setting the nfl on fire
Did big mck and davis have a hand in pryor getting an increased role?
on monday allen said pryors role would be the same as i was last week.
so pryor running scout team trying to imitate brady quinn wasnt impressive, but the minute he was in an offense that fit him he tore practice up?
THESE ARE THE WORST COACHES I HAVE EVER SEEN, FAILING TO PLAY PRYOR BEFORE NOW IS INEXCUSABLE!!!
FIRE THESE MUTHERFUGGERZ!!!!!
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Yeah, it’s too bad we didn’t get to see CP work a full season with Hue and his offense.
Instead CP was probably wondering WTF when Hue was let go and then DA hired bad retread in Knapp as OC.
CP knew this season was going to be joke. Half the players and team probably did.
They are going to get rolled by Carolina Sunday.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:14 am
also…how many guys has reggue signed this year only to let them go again…he is in over his head…its not fantasy football.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:16 am
462.Charlie Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:59 am
Some of you have talked about Carroll arriving in Seattle as the real reason behind Seattle’s’ resurgence. Something we in Oakland have a right to expect. Immediate fix without doing the basics such as drafting well and building in the box talent.
Take a look at Seattle’s top two picks in the last six drafts and you will see that 9 OF THE 12 PICKS WERE TAKEN ON IN THE BOX PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mr. Davis would not let that happen. That was Cable’s preference all along and he said so in interviews. I watched them. It is a primary reason he was not retained.
FURTHER, MANY OF YOU ON THIS BLOG THOUGHT CABLE WAS A BUFFOON. WRONG AGAIN. HE OBVIOUSLY IS A KEY PART OF SEATTLE’S TURNAROUND!!!!!!!
“Ask any Seattle player, and he will speak of how important Cable has been. He has helped give Seattle its physical mindset. (Running back Marshawn) Lynch even waited for reassurance that Cable would be back for 2012 before he agreed to re-sign.”
Schefter opined that Cable is on track to be considered for another head coaching gig in the NFL based on the wonders he has worked with the Seahawks.
Moral of the story; Draft well and build your lines with high picks. Build your foundation through the draft and the wins will follow. The coaches then seem much smarter don’t they? That is why franchises like the Giants and Packers and Ravens and Steelers are successful. They have continuity in their coaches. They all have some assistant moves but the basic structure stays consistent.
That is what is needed in OAKLAND. The problem is far more a lack of talent on the field than lacking a cerebral fix from the press box.
OUR DRAFTS FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS ARE WORSE THAT AT ANY TIME IN FRANCHISE HISTORY:
JR, BUCHANON, WASHINGTON, BRAYTON, HARRIS, TEYO JOHNSON, McCLAIN, GALLERY, GROVE ETC. ETC. AWFUL!!!!!
Also please remain silent on what you should expect of Reggie and this new regime.
He is missing 75% of his top four picks with his first two drafts and he was way over the cap in his first year. He actually had to install computers for the scouting department and fire all the incumbents!!!!!! Name a recent one year turn around with that barrier in front of a staff.
Every circumstance is different and they are far more complicated than many of you seem to comprehend. Sure a coach can “HELP” improve a situation. It is not exclusively a coaching change that is involved. There a multiple factors that converge to create a winner. I have said repeatedly coaching is about 20 % of the equation. On field talent is far more important. Under close scrutiny, ALL seemingly quick fixes were preceded by several years of solid, unspectacular drafts especially “in the box “that built a solid core. (See Seattle).
It is time to realize immediate gratification is for kids, not adults. If you cannot handle the fact that we have been mismanaged for a decade, follow another team. This is a 3-5 year project unlike anything that has ever existed in the NFL. A COMPLETE AND TOTAL MAKEOVER.
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Oh oh….here we go with the follow another team crap and making excuses for the mistakes that Davis and McK made by hiring DA as head coach. (a freaking donkey coach)
When DA was hired old man Al was probably rolling in his grave.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:16 am
cam newton has 7000 yards passing and 1300 yards rushing over the last two years
This has never been by a second year player and im not certain it has ever happened in a two year span.
These loser have let pryor rot on the bench and dont have the offensive mind (knapp) to be creative like wash or sea or sf or carolina.
These coaching hires were an abysmal failure
December 21st, 2012 at 9:18 am
424.RaiderSam Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:26 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 8:22 am
Lets try this a different way. You want to fire reggie for spreading out sey’s cap hit… So, you are saying you want to PAY Reggie NOT to work here anymore, AND pay someone MORE (because no one is coming to an organization that fires a GM in 1 season) to replace him… Your logic is infallable.
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You know who did crap like that? Daniel Snyder. And he only turned it around once he finally got a coach and a franchise-type QB.
McKenzie is under contract, so is Allen – but i have a sneaking admiration for Mark going down to the locker room and meeting with DA and McKenzie…there’s still that pride in him.
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A team needs REAL head coaches to the lead them.
DA and his crappy staff are not taking this team anywhere! Write that down!
Another 4-5 win season next year with the same crappy staff.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:18 am
all im saying is look at this as it is a failure…dont let cork and jerrys free sandwiches try to make it more complicated than it is…
December 21st, 2012 at 9:18 am
474.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:16 am
cam newton has 7000 yards passing and 1300 yards rushing over the last two years
This has never been by a second year player and im not certain it has ever happened in a two year span.
These loser have let pryor rot on the bench and dont have the offensive mind (knapp) to be creative like wash or sea or sf or carolina.
These coaching hires were an abysmal failure
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Yep!
December 21st, 2012 at 9:20 am
The Raiders are last in the league in rushing touchdowns this season, with three.
To put that in perspective, only three teams since the merger in 1970 had fewer in a season. And Buccaneers rookie running back Doug Martin had four rushing touchdowns against the Raiders in their game Nov. 4.
Worse, the Raiders had 16 rushing touchdowns last season and 19 in 2010. Hue Jackson called plays during both seasons. Also, five times during Jackson’s two seasons, the Raiders had at least three rushing touchdowns in a game.
– Second-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor will be used on some third-down and red-zone plays against the Panthers so that the Raiders “can create a different look the defense to contend with” and “try to use some of his athletic ability.”
Pryor played one series last Sunday against the Chiefs. The series consisted of two hand-offs and an incomplete pass from Pryor to wide receiver Darrius Hewyard-Bey.
Pryor has spent the better part of his two NFL seasons biding his time, learning from Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart and working on his accuracy, timing, mechanics and footwork.
Now he’s ready to take his game for a test drive, which means for more than three plays. Until that happens, Pryor said he doesn’t want to hear about any comparisons to Newton, Robert Griffin III and Colin Kaepernick.
“When it’s time for me, and I really get a lot of reps and get comfortable, I’ll have success,” Pryor said. “I really, truly believe that. Right now I’m just waiting. Right now I don’t want to compare myself to Kaepernick or Cam or any of those guys because them guys and Griffin have proved it. I haven’t proved anything.
“I can’t really say I’d be like them. I don’t know what I’m going to be like because I haven’t even played yet. I can tell from practice and certain plays that they run and certain plays that I run, I could tell I can do that in practice. It’s not when people are watching, so I can’t really compare myself to them.”
Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is watching at practice, and he said he likes what he sees from Pryor these days.
“I’ve definitely seen the progress during practice on his mechanics, the rhythm of his throws and the consistency of his footwork,” Knapp said. “He has taken to coaching very well. (Quarterbacks coach) John DeFilippo should get a lot of credit because he has spent a lot of time with him, as far as working on the individual part of the game.”
Pryor said he is satisfied with the improvements he has made since training camp, especially his accuracy and footwork. Getting a taste of what it’s like in a regular-season game gave him added confidence.
“I wasn’t really nervous because I studied them so much it was like second nature when I got to the line,” Pryor said. “Obviously, there’s a tiny bit of nerves. Obviously, I would have liked to play a little more and had a couple of different plays I’d really want to use, but I got an opportunity to get on the field and that’s a step from where I was. I can’t really complain. I’m just grateful my coaches let me get on the field.”
– Stat of the day: On passes longer than 20 yards downfield, Palmer is 10 of 50 (20 percent) for 432 yards, with three touchdowns and three interceptions. He went 16 of 45 (35.6 percent) for 618 yards, with six touchdowns and two interceptions last season.
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Should have been using Pryor in those situations earlier in the season insetad of deactivating him and have him do nothing.
More stats below showing how much Hue Jackson OWNS both DA and his crappy Knapp!
The staff and team is a joke.
So glad I didn’t waste my time and money with this crap coaching staff trying and failing to lead this team this season. This team didn’t even have a season! Lol!
December 21st, 2012 at 9:21 am
You can tell that most of these players never bought in to what DA, Knapp, Tarver and Hoffman were selling.
They knew these coaches were either in over their heads or just bad retread jokes.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:23 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 7:16 am
Reggie restructured Seymour’s contract this season and
MADE IT MUCH WORSE FOR THE RAIDERS CAP SITUATION.
Seymour’s contract is on Reggie.
He along with McClain should have been cut before this season started.
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Seymour Contract is void. He didn’t start enough games.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:24 am
i really dont blame mcclain or seymour…these guys are incompetent…
December 21st, 2012 at 9:27 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:21 am
You can tell that most of these players never bought in to what DA, Knapp, Tarver and Hoffman were selling.
They knew these coaches were either in over their heads or just bad retread jokes.
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the first time we heard from tommy kelly this year and he said we stopped the run but the guys in the secondary…. (paraphrasing)
It told me that the guys didnt buy in and the locker room was fracturing
the blow out losses romac and so on only confirmed what some of us have known already
December 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
if pryor makes a big play on sunday or looks good and gives a spark
knapp and allen should be fired before they get back to the locker room
December 21st, 2012 at 9:30 am
seymore contract is null and void?
good becuase seymores game is also null and void
December 21st, 2012 at 9:30 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
if pryor makes a big play on sunday or looks good and gives a spark
knapp and allen should be fired before they get back to the locker room
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I hope he does.
But what if he doesnt, what if he looks horrible..
Then what do you suggest…
December 21st, 2012 at 9:32 am
Doubt Allen gets fired…Eric Davis was calling for Knapp’s head today. Kinda gave Tarver a pass, but would understand if he got fired.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:32 am
The locker room is fracturing… LOL
Most of those guys wont be here next year and they know it. Fracturing…LOL..
December 21st, 2012 at 9:33 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:14 am
also…how many guys has reggue signed this year only to let them go again…he is in over his head…its not fantasy football.
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I would argue that he has brought in players that have done a good job contributing as well. Also, its not like these guys that he has brought in and let go have been big named, big money guys.. These have been cheap FAs he had hoped would contribute, but didnt pan out. So what. That happens with every NFL team. Which FA that Reg brought in has hurt our team, or set our team back even further?
December 21st, 2012 at 9:34 am
There is 0.00% that Allen will get fired. None.
This isnt the unstable front office Al Davis days.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:35 am
cwolfman Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:33 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:14 am
also…how many guys has reggue signed this year only to let them go again…he is in over his head…its not fantasy football.
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I would argue that he has brought in players that have done a good job contributing as well. Also, its not like these guys that he has brought in and let go have been big named, big money guys.. These have been cheap FAs he had hoped would contribute, but didnt pan out. So what. That happens with every NFL team. Which FA that Reg brought in has hurt our team, or set our team back even further?
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Brisiel.
But he has started to come around lately, along with the rest of the OL.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:37 am
I hear you DAV.. but even if Brisiel sucked it up the rest of this year, would it really hurt our team or set them back further? It’s not like they bet the farm on him.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:37 am
489.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:34 am
There is 0.00% that Allen will get fired. None.
This isnt the unstable front office Al Davis days.
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Sucks to, because DA and his garbage coaches were the wrong hires in the first place.
Don’t worry DA Visor.
Your boy DA wil be gone after next season and you will see how much of a waste of time it was to get rid of Hue prematurely and hire this clown DA and his staff.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:38 am
cwolfman Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:37 am
I hear you DAV.. but even if Brisiel sucked it up the rest of this year, would it really hurt our team or set them back further? It’s not like they bet the farm on him.
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Pretty lengthy deal..
Not really a back breaker, but the OL is starting to gel, so it might work out.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:39 am
488…but thats all he is going to get. avg players lead to avg teams, on this years case below avg team….
December 21st, 2012 at 9:40 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:37 am
489.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:34 am
There is 0.00% that Allen will get fired. None.
This isnt the unstable front office Al Davis days.
^^^^^^^^
Sucks to, because DA and his garbage coaches were the wrong hires in the first place.
Don’t worry DA Visor.
Your boy DA wil be gone after next season and you will see how much of a waste of time it was to get rid of Hue prematurely and hire this clown DA and his staff.
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He’s not my boy.
My name is actually a slight at him.
But im not an irrational knee jerk fan who doesnt understand whats going on and just yells fire everyone at the TV every sunday.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:41 am
489.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:34 am
There is 0.00% that Allen will get fired. None.
This isnt the unstable front office Al Davis days.
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Unless he doesn’t take his post game shower…
December 21st, 2012 at 9:41 am
Dknight
Here we go again. Someone that ignores the obvious:
Callahan, Shell, Kiffin, Jackson, Cable, Turner, Allen and all the different assistants getting largely the same results over ten years.
Yet you still think our problem is coaching????
Why do you think we can not attract a “proven winner”?
They all know this is a 3-5 year project because we lack NFL talent!!!!
December 21st, 2012 at 9:41 am
483.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
if pryor makes a big play on sunday or looks good and gives a spark
knapp and allen should be fired before they get back to the locker room
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You kidding? DA and Knapp will not run the zone read option and tell Pryor to run the ball and they won’t use him as split out TE haev him do a jump ball in teh end zone, because they don’t know how to use him.
They will just have him do 3 drop back passes and the line will collapse and Pryor will to have to take off and run.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:41 am
See… I think the issue that a lot of people have with Reg is that he said our team would compete this year. I for one believed that to be a bunch of BS from the get go, and I think Reg knew that from the get go as well. But, what was he supposed to say? “Our team is not going to compete this year, because it is going to take a least 1-2 seasons to just get the right guys in here. Until then, all of you should just prepare to watch a struggling team.” Now, did he think the Raiders would be better then what you see right now? Im sure he did, but I dont think Reg, and most people in the business for that matter that this team was better then a 6-8 win team this season.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:42 am
Rod Streater
Phillip Wheeler
Phillip Adams
Brandian Ross
Joselio Hanson
Mike Goodson
All brought in by Reggie.
All making pennies.
All have looked like the best at their respective position.
#ThinkingIsFundamental
December 21st, 2012 at 9:43 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:30 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
if pryor makes a big play on sunday or looks good and gives a spark
knapp and allen should be fired before they get back to the locker room
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I hope he does.
But what if he doesnt, what if he looks horrible..
Then what do you suggest…
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give him more opportunities
he will make mistakes he is seeing the filed for the first time
why would pryor only have one or two games to prove what he can do yet palmer was allowed to throw pick six to lose games fumble at his own goal line and stumble to a sorry record of 8-16 with 37 turn overs?!?!
please
December 21st, 2012 at 9:43 am
497.Charlie Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:41 am
Dknight
Here we go again. Someone that ignores the obvious:
Callahan, Shell, Kiffin, Jackson, Cable, Turner, Allen and all the different assistants getting largely the same results over ten years.
Yet you still think our problem is coaching????
Why do you think we can not attract a “proven winner”?
They all know this is a 3-5 year project because we lack NFL talent!!!!
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You to have to spend $$$$$ to attract REAL head coaches in the NFL.
3-5 year project with DA and this staff??
You kidding me? Raider Nation is not about ebing “patient” when it comes to accepting terrible football and losing for 4-5 years?
Come on now…..DA will be gone after next season. Wait for it.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:44 am
3 Carson Palmer INTs away from being 7-7 and looking at the #6 seed.
#WakeUp
December 21st, 2012 at 9:45 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:43 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:30 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
if pryor makes a big play on sunday or looks good and gives a spark
knapp and allen should be fired before they get back to the locker room
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I hope he does.
But what if he doesnt, what if he looks horrible..
Then what do you suggest…
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give him more opportunities
he will make mistakes he is seeing the filed for the first time
why would pryor only have one or two games to prove what he can do yet palmer was allowed to throw pick six to lose games fumble at his own goal line and stumble to a sorry record of 8-16 with 37 turn overs?!?!
please
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Pryor didnt cost the team a kings ransom in draft picks and money.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:46 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:42 am
Rod Streater
Phillip Wheeler
Phillip Adams
Brandian Ross
Joselio Hanson
Mike Goodson
All brought in by Reggie.
All making pennies.
All have looked like the best at their respective position.
#ThinkingIsFundamental
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True
December 21st, 2012 at 9:46 am
6/27 players you call them..i only see 3 guys that would be an any other teams opening roster…3/27 great track record reggie.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:47 am
We have been losing for 10 years now.
Please dont give me the “we dont have patience for losing” BS.
Get it done right.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:48 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Whats burning Green party?!
December 21st, 2012 at 9:48 am
mctroll at least have the guts to post as who you are…
December 21st, 2012 at 9:49 am
so pryor running scout team trying to imitate brady quinn wasnt impressive, but the minute he was in an offense that fit him he tore practice up?
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Where has anyone other than you said Pryor “tore practice up”? And you weren’t at practice.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:51 am
503.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:44 am
3 Carson Palmer INTs away from being 7-7 and looking at the #6 seed.
#WakeUp
^^^^^^^^^^
I wish it could be that simple to put the blame all on CP…..but it isn’t and you should know that.
Are you forgetting about the great Raider defense this year? How could a defense be just as bad as the Chuck B defense last year? Ugh
December 21st, 2012 at 9:51 am
#255l Dr Robert. You ignorantly referred to me as “boy”. I believe you had me confused with one of your male mothers. Keep it civil loser
December 21st, 2012 at 9:51 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:48 am
mctroll at least have the guts to post as who you are…
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And who is that?
Everyone knows who I am.
DeuceDeuce. But you havent been here long enough to know that have you…
December 21st, 2012 at 9:51 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:45 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:43 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:30 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
if pryor makes a big play on sunday or looks good and gives a spark
knapp and allen should be fired before they get back to the locker room
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I hope he does.
But what if he doesnt, what if he looks horrible..
Then what do you suggest…
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give him more opportunities
he will make mistakes he is seeing the filed for the first time
why would pryor only have one or two games to prove what he can do yet palmer was allowed to throw pick six to lose games fumble at his own goal line and stumble to a sorry record of 8-16 with 37 turn overs?!?!
please
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Pryor didnt cost the team a kings ransom in draft picks and money.
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Or maybe because Palmers is…….better?
December 21st, 2012 at 9:52 am
not just as bad as chucky b’s but worse…historically worse.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:52 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:51 am
503.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:44 am
3 Carson Palmer INTs away from being 7-7 and looking at the #6 seed.
#WakeUp
^^^^^^^^^^
I wish it could be that simple to put the blame all on CP…..but it isn’t and you should know that.
Are you forgetting about the great Raider defense this year? How could a defense be just as bad as the Chuck B defense last year? Ugh
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ATL, TB & CLE games all were W’s until Palmer threw the back breaking picks.
Those 3 are on no one else but him.
7-7 was right there.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:53 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:46 am
6/27 players you call them..i only see 3 guys that would be an any other teams opening roster…3/27 great track record reggie.
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I think you missed the point though.. These guys that he has been bringing in are not brought in to be franchise players. They were brought in to stop leeks. To fill gaps and holes that this team had, and they were brought in for peanuts. These guys were the scraps no other teams really wanted, or they were beat up guys that were let go because they had and were recovering from injurys… These werent players he signed for top dollar with the expectations for them to play for the Raiders for 3-4 years.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:53 am
I dont expect people with Allen/McKenzie agendas to admit we should be 7-7..
December 21st, 2012 at 9:54 am
508.DMAC Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:48 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Whats burning Green party?!
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Well then…….
FK u guys 2 and Happy Holidays!
December 21st, 2012 at 9:54 am
507.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:47 am
We have been losing for 10 years now.
Please dont give me the “we dont have patience for losing” BS.
Get it done right.
^^^^^^^^^
DA is not the answer to a 3-4 year project. haha
3-4 year “projects” in the NFL get GM’s and head coaches fired.
Should have stuck with Hue for at elast 2 more years and just worked on rebuilding the defense.
Would have made McK’s job much easier to accomplish.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:54 am
DAV…why are responding to that comment? Did you think that was meant for you? nah…im talking about that idiot mctroll20…the one who cant get a job or move away from his mothers house…not you.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:55 am
give him more opportunities
he will make mistakes he is seeing the filed for the first time
why would pryor only have one or two games to prove what he can do yet palmer was allowed to throw pick six to lose games fumble at his own goal line and stumble to a sorry record of 8-16 with 37 turn overs?!?!
please
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Sorry people, but I’m w/ Mistic on this 1.
Give TP6 playing time!
We need to see what he has.
He shouldn’t be judged by just a few snaps, period!
December 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:54 am
507.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:47 am
We have been losing for 10 years now.
Please dont give me the “we dont have patience for losing” BS.
Get it done right.
^^^^^^^^^
DA is not the answer to a 3-4 year project. haha
3-4 year “projects” in the NFL get GM’s and head coaches fired.
Should have stuck with Hue for at elast 2 more years and just worked on rebuilding the defense.
Would have made McK’s job much easier to accomplish.
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Ahhh the great Hue Jackson.
where’s he at now?..
December 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:49 am
so pryor running scout team trying to imitate brady quinn wasnt impressive, but the minute he was in an offense that fit him he tore practice up?
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Where has anyone other than you said Pryor “tore practice up”? And you weren’t at practice.
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We’ve got the closest guy to him right here in Terrelle Pryor,” said running back Mike Goodson, a teammate of Newton’s last year.
Pryor, 6-foot-4, 233 pounds, has been simulating Newton this week, running read option plays and taking off on scrambles, passing in some instances and running in others.
“He’s been giving us a great look this week,” linebacker Miles Burris said.
defensive coordinator Jason Tarver said Pryor has given his unit a reasonable facsimile of Newton during practice, not only running the read option but giving tips on how to best defend it.
Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is watching at practice, and he said he likes what he sees from Pryor these days.
bush take it up with tarver knappp allen goodson and burris
they own you
December 21st, 2012 at 9:57 am
518.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:53 am
I dont expect people with Allen/McKenzie agendas to admit we should be 7-7..
^^^^^^^^^
Nah….not with Knapps BS ZBS crap and ruining the offense as a whole…especially the running game of course and the nice continuity the offesive line had the last two years.
Not with DA’s and Tarvers crappy unimproved defense either.
7-7 my azz….thsi team, with these coaches? Nope
December 21st, 2012 at 9:57 am
Knight
I am as frustrated as anyone regarding our plight but our talent was allowed to decline too far.
There is no quick fix. Mr Davis tried to cover for bad drafts with free agents and that is a worse strategy.
Way too much money for low productivity (see Mario Williams, Kelly, Sands ETC.)
He knew we had a scouting problem which is why he brought in Kiffin. (Mr Davis should have gotten out of his role in 2003).
I would love for us to be playoff bound next year but I do not see it.
Way too many holes especially on the lines with too few first and second round picks. We could make a push in 2014.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:57 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:54 am
DAV…why are responding to that comment? Did you think that was meant for you? nah…im talking about that idiot mctroll20…the one who cant get a job or move away from his mothers house…not you.
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My bad.
I was wondering why you kept mentioning that name.. I havent see anyone with that name post so I thought you were taking a dig at me.
Carry on.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:58 am
Ill be back later
i cant wait to watch the further evolution of the qb and football in general newton vs pryor
nobody gives fugg or wants to watch palmer?
December 21st, 2012 at 9:59 am
Sorry people, but I’m w/ Mistic on this 1.
Give TP6 playing time!
We need to see what he has.
He shouldn’t be judged by just a few snaps, period!
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I agree. Ease him in, maybe play him a bit more like a half in the last game against SD. But really….that’s what the lst two preseason games are for, to let the starter play a series and then the backups can play a few series against NFL ones.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:59 am
517…fair enough but can we expect to pick up better players with 1 year contracts? When a player has to decide oakland or dallas or whatever…first thing they do is pick up the phone and call their buddies..hey hows it in oakland…what do you think seymour, mcclain, dmc,…will say? what typeof players will call streater, hanson or spencer? the same kind.
December 21st, 2012 at 9:59 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:57 am
518.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:53 am
I dont expect people with Allen/McKenzie agendas to admit we should be 7-7..
^^^^^^^^^
Nah….not with Knapps BS ZBS crap and ruining the offense as a whole…especially the running game of course and the nice continuity the offesive line had the last two years.
Not with DA’s and Tarvers crappy unimproved defense either.
7-7 my azz….thsi team, with these coaches? Nope
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We were 3 Palmer picks away from your head exploding then.
This coaching staff, this team was THAT close to being 7-7.
#EatIt
December 21st, 2012 at 10:00 am
This coaching staff, this team, was 1 Carson Palmer INT away from beating the #1 seed in the NFC on THE ROAD!!..
December 21st, 2012 at 10:01 am
We’ve got the closest guy to him right here in Terrelle Pryor,” said running back Mike Goodson, a teammate of Newton’s last year.
Pryor, 6-foot-4, 233 pounds, has been simulating Newton this week, running read option plays and taking off on scrambles, passing in some instances and running in others.
“He’s been giving us a great look this week,” linebacker Miles Burris said.
defensive coordinator Jason Tarver said Pryor has given his unit a reasonable facsimile of Newton during practice, not only running the read option but giving tips on how to best defend it.
Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is watching at practice, and he said he likes what he sees from Pryor these days.
bush take it up with tarver knappp allen goodson and burris
they own you
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They said a “reasonable facsimile” in practice. Not “tore it up”. Dude you need to take a seat on something other than Terrell Pryor’s lap.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:01 am
Hot bowls of REALITY being served up this morning!..
December 21st, 2012 at 10:06 am
Anyone heard if the new blocking rules for next season will effect the ZBS?..
December 21st, 2012 at 10:06 am
503.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:44 am
3 Carson Palmer INTs away from being 7-7 and looking at the #6 seed.
#WakeUp
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Yes. If he didn’t throw the one against TB we are GUARANTEED we would’ve won..seeing as we were at midfield, AND we were still behind AND our defense gave up 255 yd’s rushing.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:08 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:59 am
517…fair enough but can we expect to pick up better players with 1 year contracts? When a player has to decide oakland or dallas or whatever…first thing they do is pick up the phone and call their buddies..hey hows it in oakland…what do you think seymour, mcclain, dmc,…will say? what typeof players will call streater, hanson or spencer? the same kind.
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I hear you there… I’m interested to see what happens this off-season. Because, if we dont get dramatically better and bring in better FA (now that the cap cant be used as an excuse) then, I will be on here just like most everyone else, yelling to fire the whole staff including Reg. Also, let me be clear, I really dont want to see Knapp here next season. That guy is a POS coordinator, and we should have never brought him back. I think that was the biggest mistake this team has made this season, and believe many, there are many to choose from. lol
December 21st, 2012 at 10:08 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:58 am
Ill be back later
i cant wait to watch the further evolution of the qb and football in general newton vs pryor
nobody gives fugg or wants to watch palmer?
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The only mistake you are making is the “pistol” or read option offense basically came into vogue in the early-mid season this year. Defensive coordinators cannot game plan brand new systems they have never seen during the course of the year. They do not have time to do it in a couple of days and then move on to a completely new opponent and new system the following Monday.
Believe me, Perry Fewell, Rob Ryan, Jeff Fisher, and whoever is in Philly will have the entire offseason to come up with a plan to defense this. I told you how I would defense it, and Belichik basically did that on Sunday night. That system will have to win a Super Bowl or two before you “crown it’s ass”. Or It might just go the way of the wildcat and the pager.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:09 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:06 am
Anyone heard if the new blocking rules for next season will effect the ZBS?..
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Won’t know til it goes to the competition committee in the offseason. I would not expect it to go away.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:09 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:01 am
We’ve got the closest guy to him right here in Terrelle Pryor,” said running back Mike Goodson, a teammate of Newton’s last year.
Pryor, 6-foot-4, 233 pounds, has been simulating Newton this week, running read option plays and taking off on scrambles, passing in some instances and running in others.
“He’s been giving us a great look this week,” linebacker Miles Burris said.
defensive coordinator Jason Tarver said Pryor has given his unit a reasonable facsimile of Newton during practice, not only running the read option but giving tips on how to best defend it.
Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is watching at practice, and he said he likes what he sees from Pryor these days.
bush take it up with tarver knappp allen goodson and burris
they own you
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They said a “reasonable facsimile” in practice. Not “tore it up”. Dude you need to take a seat on something other than Terrell Pryor’s lap.
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Lol at bush upset because palmer is now closer than ever to being replaced.
Hero worship wont save him
by the way when a a starting line backer says “great” i take that to mean “tore it up”
you may want to insult me but that wont save your golden haired hero
December 21st, 2012 at 10:09 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:06 am
503.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:44 am
3 Carson Palmer INTs away from being 7-7 and looking at the #6 seed.
#WakeUp
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Yes. If he didn’t throw the one against TB we are GUARANTEED we would’ve won..seeing as we were at midfield, AND we were still behind AND our defense gave up 255 yd’s rushing.
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Down by 3, driving with all the momentum on our side.
Having just stopped them over and over. And erasing a 18 point deficit.
Yes.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:10 am
Wheres my Green party fam at?
I’ll be back later.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:10 am
532.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:00 am
This coaching staff, this team, was 1 Carson Palmer INT away from beating the #1 seed in the NFC on THE ROAD!!..
^^^^^^^^
A blind squirrel ALMOST finds a nut every now and then.
You trying to come up with some warped rational that this team should be 7-7 is laughable….at best!
Don’t worry, your boy DA will be gone after next season after another 4 win campaign.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:10 am
It would be nice to see Pryor show that he could be the number two next year.
Palmer has forgotten more that Pryor knows about the position.
Palmer is #17 in the NFL.
Considering he has played from behind most of the year with inexperienced WR’s and an inconsistent running game all year, he has done well.
Believe me, QB is the least of our problems heading into this cold winter.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:10 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:09 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:06 am
Anyone heard if the new blocking rules for next season will effect the ZBS?..
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Won’t know til it goes to the competition committee in the offseason. I would not expect it to go away.
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Well they said that diving at the legs to block is 100% done…
That is the meat & taters of the ZBS right?..
December 21st, 2012 at 10:10 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:00 am
This coaching staff, this team, was 1 Carson Palmer INT away from beating the #1 seed in the NFC on THE ROAD!!..
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Probably the best game this team played all year, with 2 weeks to prepare. And since then, the team has imploded. No composure.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:11 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:10 am
532.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:00 am
This coaching staff, this team, was 1 Carson Palmer INT away from beating the #1 seed in the NFC on THE ROAD!!..
^^^^^^^^
A blind squirrel ALMOST finds a nut every now and then.
You trying to come up with some warped rational that this team should be 7-7 is laughable….at best!
Don’t worry, your boy DA will be gone after next season after another 4 win campaign.
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Hi, i’m reality have me met?..
December 21st, 2012 at 10:13 am
Honestly, Im hoping we get blown out cuz the game doesn’t mean anything and it means Pryor will come in faster
December 21st, 2012 at 10:13 am
#17 overall & #35 overall for Carson Palmer.
“Greatest trade ever” – Hue Jackson
December 21st, 2012 at 10:13 am
Palmer is #17 in the NFL.
Considering he has played from behind most of the year with inexperienced WR’s and an inconsistent running game all year, he has done well.
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And yet folks in here want to blame him for our losses, They forget he is also the reason the team even had a chance to win.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:13 am
You are not going to build the core of your team with FA’s. You do it with the draft.
FA’s can plug a leak here and there for a year or two.
Contracts like Mario Williams kill a team for years.
Hungry rookies with the rookie cap in place are the way to build the core.
Trouble is Reggie is missing three of his top four picks in his first two drafts.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:14 am
bill williamson espn
“Is a field-goal fueled win over the worst team in the NFL enough for Dennis Allen to save his job? “
December 21st, 2012 at 10:14 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:08 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:58 am
Ill be back later
i cant wait to watch the further evolution of the qb and football in general newton vs pryor
nobody gives fugg or wants to watch palmer?
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The only mistake you are making is the “pistol” or read option offense basically came into vogue in the early-mid season this year. Defensive coordinators cannot game plan brand new systems they have never seen during the course of the year. They do not have time to do it in a couple of days and then move on to a completely new opponent and new system the following Monday.
Believe me, Perry Fewell, Rob Ryan, Jeff Fisher, and whoever is in Philly will have the entire offseason to come up with a plan to defense this. I told you how I would defense it, and Belichik basically did that on Sunday night. That system will have to win a Super Bowl or two before you “crown it’s ass”. Or It might just go the way of the wildcat and the pager.
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foolish mortal
the so called “wildcat” IS OPTION OFFENSE!!!
IT WAS CALLED WILD CAT BECAUSE IT WASNT THE QB TAKING THE SNAP THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
The wild cat failed because you need a
passing threat in the option game for it to work.
bush I know why you dont want option football to last and hope fpr it to be “figured out” because it manes guys like palmer will no longer be viewed as the prototype qb.
They have not stopped the pistol or read option in college and it has been around for years.
Sorry they will not stop this offense it is here to stay
hero worship be damned
December 21st, 2012 at 10:15 am
Charlie Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:13 am
You are not going to build the core of your team with FA’s. You do it with the draft.
FA’s can plug a leak here and there for a year or two.
Contracts like Mario Williams kill a team for years.
Hungry rookies with the rookie cap in place are the way to build the core.
Trouble is Reggie is missing three of his top four picks in his first two drafts.
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Thank the great Hue Jackson.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:15 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:11 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:10 am
532.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:00 am
This coaching staff, this team, was 1 Carson Palmer INT away from beating the #1 seed in the NFC on THE ROAD!!..
^^^^^^^^
A blind squirrel ALMOST finds a nut every now and then.
You trying to come up with some warped rational that this team should be 7-7 is laughable….at best!
Don’t worry, your boy DA will be gone after next season after another 4 win campaign.
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Hi, i’m reality have me met?..
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He’s not leaving and DAV is right. Carson blew the Falcons game and the Browns game too
December 21st, 2012 at 10:16 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:14 am
bill williamson espn
“Is a field-goal fueled win over the worst team in the NFL enough for Dennis Allen to save his job? “
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Lol. As I said, one of the most unimpressive shutouts I’ve ever seen. Yawn.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:17 am
546.The Big Banana Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:10 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:00 am
This coaching staff, this team, was 1 Carson Palmer INT away from beating the #1 seed in the NFC on THE ROAD!!..
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Probably the best game this team played all year, with 2 weeks to prepare. And since then, the team has imploded. No composure.
^^^^^^^^
If DA and his staff were for real, that loss to Atlanta should have brought the team together and we should have seen steady improvement from there on.
After that the team completely collapsed and REGRESSED.
Good job DA and to the rest of the coaching staff.
Reality check!
December 21st, 2012 at 10:18 am
DT – Justin Bannan
NT – Ricky Jean-Francois
MLB – Chase Blackburn
CB – Mike Jenkins
All inexpensive FAs who could be big help.
All are needed also.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:19 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:16 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:14 am
bill williamson espn
“Is a field-goal fueled win over the worst team in the NFL enough for Dennis Allen to save his job? “
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Lol. As I said, one of the most unimpressive shutouts I’ve ever seen. Yawn.
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Technically it wasn’t a shutout because the Queefs went for it on 4th like 3 times. If the had made the kick they would have been within 1 TD of winning the game.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:20 am
Technically it wasn’t a shutout because the Queefs went for it on 4th like 3 times. If the had made the kick they would have been within 1 TD of winning the game.
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Yes, sir. That’s the very point I made earlier this week.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:20 am
1 – Dion Jordan
2 – Corey Lemonier
3 – Kyle Long
4 – Tyrann Matthieu
Add them to this draft..
BOOM.
Your welcome.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:21 am
The point with Carson is you cannot turn the ball over in the redzone. As much as I hated JC we could at least win with him because he understood ball control.
And I hated JC!
December 21st, 2012 at 10:22 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:20 am
Technically it wasn’t a shutout because the Queefs went for it on 4th like 3 times. If the had made the kick they would have been within 1 TD of winning the game.
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Yes, sir. That’s the very point I made earlier this week.
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Thank God their coach was too stupid to realize it or we would have been in deep doggy doo-doo
December 21st, 2012 at 10:23 am
Palmer hasnt really made any throws this year that make you say “wow, thats why he’s the starter”..
So one could lean into the thinking that we would have a better record with a QB who is more concerned with protecting the ball.
e.g. Campbell, Smith.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:24 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:20 am
1 – Dion Jordan
2 – Corey Lemonier
3 – Kyle Long
4 – Tyrann Matthieu
Add them to this draft..
BOOM.
Your welcome.
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What positions do they play?
I’ll add Dwayne Bowe as a FA. Team has been missing a legit #1 since Timmy
December 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
aol sporting news…
RAIDERS
Dom Capers, Packers defensive coordinator. I think it would be a mistake to fire Allen after one season. But if it happen, Capers has been a head coach before, and has ties to general manager Reggie McKenzie.
McCoy. The Raiders hired Allen away from the Broncos. Why not pluck another potential head coach off the staff of their AFC West rival?
December 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:24 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:20 am
1 – Dion Jordan
2 – Corey Lemonier
3 – Kyle Long
4 – Tyrann Matthieu
Add them to this draft..
BOOM.
Your welcome.
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What positions do they play?
I’ll add Dwayne Bowe as a FA. Team has been missing a legit #1 since Timmy
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1 – Dion Jordan [DE/OLB]
2 – Corey Lemonier [DE/OLB]
3 – Kyle Long [RT]
4 – Tyrann Matthieu [DB/KR]
We do need a #1 WR, but im not sure that breaking the bank for Bowe would make sense this off-season.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:26 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:23 am
Palmer hasnt really made any throws this year that make you say “wow, thats why he’s the starter”..
So one could lean into the thinking that we would have a better record with a QB who is more concerned with protecting the ball.
e.g. Campbell, Smith.
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Smith of course…. Campbell sucks so bad a half conscious Cutler has to play for the BEARS
December 21st, 2012 at 10:26 am
558.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:18 am
DT – Justin Bannan
NT – Ricky Jean-Francois
MLB – Chase Blackburn
CB – Mike Jenkins
All inexpensive FAs who could be big help.
All are needed also.
^^^^^^^^
They’re not coming here. Keep dreaming.
We here this non sense year in and year out.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:27 am
We do need a #1 WR, but im not sure that breaking the bank for Bowe would make sense this off-season.
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Your probably right, but what 1 position should we use FA $$$ on? Assuming Reggie’s moves get us more $$$
December 21st, 2012 at 10:28 am
567.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:24 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:20 am
1 – Dion Jordan
2 – Corey Lemonier
3 – Kyle Long
4 – Tyrann Matthieu
Add them to this draft..
BOOM.
Your welcome.
______________________
What positions do they play?
I’ll add Dwayne Bowe as a FA. Team has been missing a legit #1 since Timmy
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1 – Dion Jordan [DE/OLB]
2 – Corey Lemonier [DE/OLB]
3 – Kyle Long [RT]
4 – Tyrann Matthieu [DB/KR]
We do need a #1 WR, but im not sure that breaking the bank for Bowe would make sense this off-season.
^^^^^^^^^^
McK aint breaking the bank for anybody this off season.
No money and even if he did have money…he wouldn’t do it.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:29 am
McK aint breaking the bank for anybody this off season.
No money and even if he did have money…he wouldn’t do it.
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We this draft better hit the mark
December 21st, 2012 at 10:30 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:21 am
The point with Carson is you cannot turn the ball over in the redzone. As much as I hated JC we could at least win with him because he understood ball control.
And I hated JC!
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I agree, but JC needed a good run game to be successful. We did not have that this year.
But this all just goes to show why we should play Pryor to see what we have and give him some real game experience.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:30 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:26 am
558.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:18 am
DT – Justin Bannan
NT – Ricky Jean-Francois
MLB – Chase Blackburn
CB – Mike Jenkins
All inexpensive FAs who could be big help.
All are needed also.
^^^^^^^^
They’re not coming here. Keep dreaming.
We here this non sense year in and year out.
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These arent top FAs..
So im not sure what youre talking about.
I think you are obsessed with being a negative nancy.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:30 am
*Well
December 21st, 2012 at 10:31 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:30 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:21 am
The point with Carson is you cannot turn the ball over in the redzone. As much as I hated JC we could at least win with him because he understood ball control.
And I hated JC!
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I agree, but JC needed a good run game to be successful. We did not have that this year.
But this all just goes to show why we should play Pryor to see what we have and give him some real game experience.
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Agreed
December 21st, 2012 at 10:32 am
I want to get a Pryor jersey.
In order for that to happen he needs to play, and play good.
ASAP.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:33 am
Some people want to see this regime/staff fail so bad that they get chubbies when we lose.
Leave your agendas at the door please.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:35 am
oregon paper on chip kelly…(sporting news)
Almost certain to be gone are Romeo Crennel (Chiefs), Andy Reid (Eagles), and Norv Turner (Chargers). Meanwhile, even if you take Rex Ryan of the Jets off the endangered coaches list, nine others have reason to worry—Dennis Allen (Raiders), Chan Gailey (Bills), Jason Garrett (Cowboys), Mike Mularkey (Jaguars), Mike Munchak (Titans), Ron Rivera (Panthers), Pat Shurmur (Browns), Lovie Smith (Bears) and Ken Whisenhunt (Cardinals).
December 21st, 2012 at 10:45 am
zbs is a finished system….
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/21/james-harrison-ive-lowered-my-target-now-i-hit-guys-in-the-knees/
December 21st, 2012 at 10:46 am
If firing Dennis Allen is the right thing to do for the Raiders, lets do it.
I dont see it that way right now. Doesnt line up with Reggie’s character.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:49 am
Lol at bush upset because palmer is now closer than ever to being replaced.
Hero worship wont save him
by the way when a a starting line backer says “great” i take that to mean “tore it up”
you may want to insult me but that wont save your golden haired hero
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I am not trying to insult you at all. Miles Burris said, “he gave us a great look”. He did not say, “wow, Pryor looked great out there killing our ones”. What Burris is saying is Pryor was also on the scout team simulating Drew Brees. But Brees is 5′11″ and very accurate. Pryor is 6′5″ and not very accurate. Pryor most likely did not give the defense a “great look” at Brees. Do you understand the difference? You are so full of hero worship for guys like Newton, and Pryor it is clouding your mind.
December 21st, 2012 at 10:54 am
[...] Raiders QB Carson Palmer will see increased role vs. the Panthers. Translation, let it [...]
December 21st, 2012 at 10:58 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 10:35 am
oregon paper on chip kelly…(sporting news)
Almost certain to be gone are Romeo Crennel (Chiefs), Andy Reid (Eagles), and Norv Turner (Chargers). Meanwhile, even if you take Rex Ryan of the Jets off the endangered coaches list, nine others have reason to worry—Dennis Allen (Raiders), Chan Gailey (Bills), Jason Garrett (Cowboys), Mike Mularkey (Jaguars), Mike Munchak (Titans), Ron Rivera (Panthers), Pat Shurmur (Browns), Lovie Smith (Bears) and Ken Whisenhunt (Cardinals).
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These could all be great coordinators if Allen stays. It will also give us greater insight into who really hires the coaches. Reggie or Knapp
December 21st, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Please… Anyone that would like to have Alex Smith as the Raiders next QB must have forgotten all his years before this season and last season. The main reason he has done so well is because of the type of system he is in, and the fact that he inst asked to do much. They hardly have ever asked him to throw more that 20+ passes a game. The 49er have a great running game and a great D. All these are things the Raiders do not have. Any of you think CP3 is bad??? Put Alex Smith on the Raiders, and you will be begging to have CP3 back.