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Seymour, Branch not at practice once again

By Steve Corkran
Thursday, December 20th, 2012 at 11:56 am in Oakland Raiders.

Defensive tackle Richard Seymour and strong safety Tyvon Branch aren’t at practice today for the second straight day. All in all, the Raiders still are relatively healthy for a team about to play its 15th regular-season game.
It’s doubtful that Seymour will play Sunday against the Carolina Panthers, given he has missed the past six games and his injured hamstring isn’t healed enough for him to practice.
Branch’s situation is another matter. He played last Sunday despite missing most of practice leading up to the Kansas City Chiefs game.
It’s likely that things will play out the same this Sunday, with Seymour inactive and Branch playing at less than 100 percent.

– As for playing time Sunday, coach Dennis Allen said he doesn’t expect any lineup changes or the playing time to be much different than it was for the Chiefs game.
“No, it’s going to be pretty similar to what we did last week,” Allen said. “Still getting an opportunity to look at a few guys.”
That doesn’t bode well for quarterbacks Matt Leinart and Terrelle Pryor, running back Taiwan Jones and backup tight ends Richard Gordon and David Ausberry, guys that played sparingly against the Chiefs.
Pryor got on the field for four plays. Well, three plays if you don’t count the false-start penalty to begin his one drive. Pryor handed off twice and then missed wide on a pass for wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey on third down.

– The Raiders get one final shot at winning a game played in the Eastern Standard Time zone this Sunday, when they travel to Charlotte, N.C.
So far, they are 0-4 this season in such games, with losses at Miami, Atlanta, Baltimore and Cincinnati. In 2011, they went 0-2, with losses in Buffalo and Miami. In 2010, they lost both times on the east coast, against Pittsburgh and Miami.
The streak stands at nine straight losses, dating to Dec. 6, 2009, when the Raiders beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh behind a stellar game from quarterback Bruce Gradkowski and wide receiver Louis Murphy.
Since Dec. 15, 2002, the Raiders are 5-26 in games played back east.

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  • omoran

    Raider(since 1967) ★
    We have to contain Cam Newton dude and be ready. Don’t chase him out of the pocket or he will hurt us ! Need guys to be aware when he takes off and be Smelling the Rivera screens.
    2-3 MEN Must be assign to him on both side and Omar must look at Newton’s head all the time. Hope Allen and Tiver are paying Attention to Film! Trick plays hurt don’t commit to quick, players in the back don’t miss assignments

  • The_Judge37

    If you go and look at the top 5 picks, for the last 20 years, how many times does a DE or pass-rushing LB, CB, DT go before a MLB? After QB, I’d say teams value either a LT or a pass-rushing DE/LB #2
    ——–

    Yeah but it doesn’t really matter where you get the guy, as long as it’s the right one. For every Von Miller there’s a Vernon Gholston.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Uhh..well if you want to get technical the whole draft process is based on projection and speculation isn’t it?

    Come on now son.
    —————————
    Yep, that’s why I take issue with declaring Teo the foundation of our defense of the future.

  • The_Judge37

    The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    ^^^^^^^^
    So you think the Niners don’t need Patrick Willis anymore?

    ==========

    WHo you think they want more? him or Aldon Smith?
    ——-

    Willis

  • Gdog

    It’s 18 plays with music. If you pay close attention most of the runs started out inside and then kicked outside… with outstanding downfield blocking. The 70 yard play in particular shows our WR’s clearing out tacklers 20 yards downfield, DHB in particular.

    netbinders.net/upload/Mcf_2011.mp4

  • DKnight007

    I like Te’o, Werner, Clowney or Moore as the Raiders potential top 4 pick.

    I think taking a NT/DT Star within the top 4 is just too high.

  • eastoaklandraider

    The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    No, it is much harder to find a pass rusher than a mlb and it would be cheaper and a better idea imo to find a mlb in FA. You dont get the opportunity to draft great pass rushers often must take the chance when you get it.
    ——-

    We’ve found pass rusher’s in the past offseason’s like Burgess, Clemons and Wimbley.

    Guys like Danny Clark are what stop gap MLB’s look like.

    Plus we can find one trik pony Rushers like Trevor Scott late in the draft. Not long term solutions but we’re not going to fill all holes in this draft.

    ==============

    If you go and look at the top 5 picks, for the last 20 years, how many times does a DE or pass-rushing LB, CB, DT go before a MLB? After QB, I’d say teams value either a LT or a pass-rushing DE/LB #2
    ————-

    Thank you once again, this James Trapp guy has some football sense, not just wanting his favorite college player drafted.

  • DKnight007

    204.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    ^^^^^^^^
    So you think the Niners don’t need Patrick Willis anymore?

    ==========

    WHo you think they want more? him or Aldon Smith?
    ——-

    Willis

    ^^^^^^^^
    Aldon Smith needs to thank Justin Smith for opening things up for him.

    J Smith is a 5 tech DE in their 3-4. An ideal one also.

  • oldschoolraider

    papertiger418 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Anybody else think we should all chip in a get DA a training bra for Xmas?

    And a girdle for Reggie.

    And a bustle for Knapp.
    **********************************************
    Or you could just loan them some of your stuff.
    Of course we’ll have to have it de-loused and disinfected first.

  • eastoaklandraider

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    ^^^^^^^^
    So you think the Niners don’t need Patrick Willis anymore?

    ==========

    WHo you think they want more? him or Aldon Smith?
    ——-

    Willis
    —————–

    Yeah right, be real it would be much easier to replace willis than to replace smith, they still have Bowman who seems to get zero credit.

  • DKnight007

    The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
    No, it is much harder to find a pass rusher than a mlb and it would be cheaper and a better idea imo to find a mlb in FA. You dont get the opportunity to draft great pass rushers often must take the chance when you get it.
    ——-

    We’ve found pass rusher’s in the past offseason’s like Burgess, Clemons and Wimbley.

    Guys like Danny Clark are what stop gap MLB’s look like.

    Plus we can find one trik pony Rushers like Trevor Scott late in the draft. Not long term solutions but we’re not going to fill all holes in this draft.

    ==============

    If you go and look at the top 5 picks, for the last 20 years, how many times does a DE or pass-rushing LB, CB, DT go before a MLB? After QB, I’d say teams value either a LT or a pass-rushing DE/LB #2

    ^^^^^^^^^
    I agree. That has happened and it had proven to be a mistake to pass up on LB’s like Lewis, Urlacher, Willis.

    Look at the draft bust history based on positional value.

  • The_Judge37

    DKnight007 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    I like Te’o, Werner, Clowney or Moore as the Raiders potential top 4 pick.

    I think taking a NT/DT Star within the top 4 is just too high.
    ——-

    Yeah especially since big fat guys wear out fast. Probably need someone who’s going to be effective an entire game.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Exactly, all that schit Ray lewis does or even Drew brees may last for a few plays but guess what after that adrenaline wears off and you get into the game you better know how to make plays speeches be damned.
    ==========================================

    Yeah, but how many times after a big play on either offense or defense do you see players go run up and hug the coach? One thing that Allen said is he needs someone who can quarterback the defense. I thought that was an interesting statement because we have needed that for years around here. Getting guys lined up and in the right defense is a necessity. It doesn’t have to be the mike, Rod Woodson was able to do that from the secondary but it should.

  • DKnight007

    It’s all about getting the best overall legit FOOTBALL players first.

  • eastoaklandraider

    DKnight007 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
    204.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    ^^^^^^^^
    So you think the Niners don’t need Patrick Willis anymore?

    ==========

    WHo you think they want more? him or Aldon Smith?
    ——-

    Willis

    ^^^^^^^^
    Aldon Smith needs to thank Justin Smith for opening things up for him.

    J Smith is a 5 tech DE in their 3-4. An ideal one also.
    —————–

    who was justin smith opening it up for before aldon smith? Manny Lawson? C’mon man get real.

  • The_Judge37

    eastoaklandraider Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    ^^^^^^^^
    So you think the Niners don’t need Patrick Willis anymore?

    ==========

    WHo you think they want more? him or Aldon Smith?
    ——-

    Willis
    —————–

    Yeah right, be real it would be much easier to replace willis than to replace smith, they still have Bowman who seems to get zero credit.
    ——–

    Nah, there’s way more pass rush specialists in this league, very few MLB’s that can do everything right. Lewis, Urlacher, Willis.

    Pass rusher’s there’s guys like Freeny, Peppers, Smith, Watt, Miller, Dumerville, Hali, etc…

  • papertiger418

    Louis Murphy’s the #2 wide receiver for the Panthers this weekend. Bring the pain! Let’s see those alligator arms in action.

  • eastoaklandraider

    DKnight007 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
    It’s all about getting the best overall legit FOOTBALL players first.
    ————–

    And that aint Teo.

  • The_Judge37

    papertiger418 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    Louis Murphy’s the #2 wide receiver for the Panthers this weekend. Bring the pain! Let’s see those alligator arms in action.
    ——-

    Hope so. Just hope we don’t see him pushing Huff 20 yards down field blocking for Newton or Williams

  • omoran

    Raider (since 1967) ★
    The Odds are Carolina –fhe lines -8.5 pts over Raiders.
    We can Surprise an Upset here if Raiders can keep the offense out there and keep it away from Newton. Ball control and time of possetion. Palmer must keep drives going, throw short behind 1rst down markers. Defense must keep arms up and blind him or bat the ball down. Strip the.ball and.be carefull when we have the ball that you don’t get stripped also.

  • eastoaklandraider

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    eastoaklandraider Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    ^^^^^^^^
    So you think the Niners don’t need Patrick Willis anymore?

    ==========

    WHo you think they want more? him or Aldon Smith?
    ——-

    Willis
    —————–

    Yeah right, be real it would be much easier to replace willis than to replace smith, they still have Bowman who seems to get zero credit.
    ——–

    Nah, there’s way more pass rush specialists in this league, very few MLB’s that can do everything right. Lewis, Urlacher, Willis.

    Pass rusher’s there’s guys like Freeny, Peppers, Smith, Watt, Miller, Dumerville, Hali, etc…
    ————-

    You dont need a mlb to get everthing right when you have other great players. Last time I checked a legit DE was harder to find than a legit mlb and last time I checked Ray lewis and Urlacher had some pretty good players in front and behind them. DE’ go at it alone while MLb’s need good players in front of them.

  • The_Judge37

    If we can hold the Edges, Newton will come to us for the sacks. Just control the edges and gaps and we’ll control Carolina for the game. This will be a good test to see if DA and Tarver can get these guys to play diciplined FB

  • The_Judge37

    You dont need a mlb to get everthing right when you have other great players. Last time I checked a legit DE was harder to find than a legit mlb and last time I checked Ray lewis and Urlacher had some pretty good players in front and behind them. DE’ go at it alone while MLb’s need good players in front of them.
    ——–

    Well doesn’t it go both ways, Those MLB’s make things easier for the players in front of them too. But i just named a lot more Pass rusher in this league than MLB’s. You think those guys are easily replaceable but they’re not, just look at what the Bears and Ravens have struggled when they’ve been out.

  • eastoaklandraider

    If you go and look at the top 5 picks, for the last 20 years, how many times does a DE or pass-rushing LB, CB, DT go before a MLB? After QB, I’d say teams value either a LT or a pass-rushing DE/LB #2
    ————

    Had to repost this. Teo wont be picked ahead of Star,Moore,Lockell,Jarvis Jones even.

  • eastoaklandraider

    I’d take the WR from Cal before I took Teo.

  • The_Judge37

    eastoaklandraider Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
    If you go and look at the top 5 picks, for the last 20 years, how many times does a DE or pass-rushing LB, CB, DT go before a MLB? After QB, I’d say teams value either a LT or a pass-rushing DE/LB #2
    ————

    Had to repost this. Teo wont be picked ahead of Star,Moore,Lockell,Jarvis Jones even.
    ——-

    Doesn’t mean they’ll be better than him

  • DKnight007

    8.DMAC Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
    HC – Shaw
    OC – Norv
    DC – Romeo
    Draft Te’o!
    Sign Bowe!

    ^^^^^^^^^
    That would work. More offensive input would be needed from David Shaw though.

  • DKnight007

    226.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
    eastoaklandraider Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
    If you go and look at the top 5 picks, for the last 20 years, how many times does a DE or pass-rushing LB, CB, DT go before a MLB? After QB, I’d say teams value either a LT or a pass-rushing DE/LB #2
    ————

    Had to repost this. Teo wont be picked ahead of Star,Moore,Lockell,Jarvis Jones even.
    ——-

    Doesn’t mean they’ll be better than him

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Exactly!

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Beast DE’s usually go before anybody except Top QB’s

  • DKnight007

    218.eastoaklandraider Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    DKnight007 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
    It’s all about getting the best overall legit FOOTBALL players first.
    ————–

    And that aint Teo.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Te’o is NOT a football player now?? Lol!

  • The_Judge37

    If we had a Draft now of pure Defensive players of the last decade, Knowing eveything you know about their careers, who would take a DE or OLB over guys like Willis and Lewis?

  • DKnight007

    If the Raiders land a top 3 pick, they really do need to trade down though and hope some team falls in love with that LT from A&M or Moore, or Clowney or the QB Tyler Wilson from Arkansas if he declares.

  • eastoaklandraider

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
    You dont need a mlb to get everthing right when you have other great players. Last time I checked a legit DE was harder to find than a legit mlb and last time I checked Ray lewis and Urlacher had some pretty good players in front and behind them. DE’ go at it alone while MLb’s need good players in front of them.
    ——–

    Well doesn’t it go both ways, Those MLB’s make things easier for the players in front of them too. But i just named a lot more Pass rusher in this league than MLB’s. You think those guys are easily replaceable but they’re not, just look at what the Bears and Ravens have struggled when they’ve been out.
    —————

    You just named a few but there are many more that you are unaware of and thats just because a mlb doesnt make a great impact the way a De or an olb does and therefore most arent in the lime light hell do you even know about the Ilb that plays next to willis? he is just as good if not better.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    MLB’s are not taken very highly. In fact after McClain, one of the next guys taken highly as a pure MLB this century was Napolean Harris. And we all know how these guys worked out.

  • eastoaklandraider

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    If we had a Draft now of pure Defensive players of the last decade, Knowing eveything you know about their careers, who would take a DE or OLB over guys like Willis and Lewis?
    ———–

    LOL, are you serious? All the top DE’s would fly off the board before 1 single MLB was picked.

  • theghostronin79

    007 when is the last time a MLB was drafted in the top top 5?

    ====================

    I think it was A.J. Hawk wasn’t it?

  • The_Judge37

    You just named a few but there are many more that you are unaware of and thats just because a mlb doesnt make a great impact the way a De or an olb does and therefore most arent in the lime light hell do you even know about the Ilb that plays next to willis? he is just as good if not better.
    ———

    Pass rusher’s just get the glory. Doesn’t mean they do more for their team.

    And let’s see Bowman be a beast for as long as Willis has and not Fade out like Bart Scott when he left Ray’s side.

  • papertiger418

    David Shaw just signed an extension with Stanford. Won’t be seeing him around these parts anytime soon.

  • Dan78

    Didn’t Shaw sign an extension with Stanford & son

  • The_Judge37

    Seymour Bush Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    MLB’s are not taken very highly. In fact after McClain, one of the next guys taken highly as a pure MLB this century was Napolean Harris. And we all know how these guys worked out.

    ——

    Like i said it doesn’t matter what spot they were taken in, it’s who you get.

  • papertiger418

    Napolean Harris is running for Congress, by the way. Gearing up to replace Jesse Jackson Jr.

  • The_Judge37

    eastoaklandraider Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    If we had a Draft now of pure Defensive players of the last decade, Knowing eveything you know about their careers, who would take a DE or OLB over guys like Willis and Lewis?
    ———–

    LOL, are you serious? All the top DE’s would fly off the board before 1 single MLB was picked.
    ——–

    What pass rusher has had a career as long as Lewis and Urlacher? Freeny and Peppers maybe

  • eastoaklandraider

    DKnight007 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    218.eastoaklandraider Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
    DKnight007 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
    It’s all about getting the best overall legit FOOTBALL players first.
    ————–

    And that aint Teo.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Te’o is NOT a football player now?? Lol!
    ———–

    Did you comprehend your own statement? lol, he wont be picked ahead of the other players that have been mentioned.

  • DKnight007

    I would also like for them to trade down a like 6-8 spots and get pass rushing OLB/DE Dion Jordan!

  • theghostronin79

    Jordan is a beast man…..He definately had a better year last year when he played strictly DE. LOTS more pressures / sacks / and knockdowns.

    This year he’s been standing up alot and covering receivers. But he has really good closing speed and sideline speed.

  • DKnight007

    245.theghostronin79 Says:
    December 20th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
    Jordan is a beast man…..He definately had a better year last year when he played strictly DE. LOTS more pressures / sacks / and knockdowns.

    This year he’s been standing up alot and covering receivers. But he has really good closing speed and sideline speed.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Ideal as stand up OLB pass rusher in 3-4 looks. Might be a bit too light to play as a full time down pass rushing RDE in a 4-3.

  • Priesttj12

    David Shaw was in demand and Stanford did the smart thing because I believe Mark Davis has sent a kite his way to get a what level of interest he had. Stanford made a pre-emptive move.

    To take anything this cocaching staff does with Pryor as somehow a reflection on Pryor is a mistake it is in fact an indictment against this coaching staff. If they lose this kid to another team and he goes to say Arizona this staff and Reggie McK will suffer the consequences. QB’s are very hard to get because everybody wants one and for them to have this kid in their charge and not develope him will be essentially what Atl did when they traded Brett Farve before ever giving him a chance to compete.

    Thiis wont be the only time a team had a great talent under their nose and didn’t realize it. It happens all the time. TB had Steve Young, our own Oakland Raiders drafted Roman Gabriel and gave him away. They’re going down that road once again. They just don’t recognize talent in their own camp.