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Seymour out for Sunday’s game, says he’s still ‘elite’ player

By Steve Corkran
Friday, December 21st, 2012 at 1:17 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Defensive tackle Richard Seymour won’t play Sunday against the Carolina Panthers. It’s possible that he has played his final game of the 2012 season, but he still has a desire to play beyond this season.
Seymour said Friday that the high hamstring injury he suffered against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Nov. 4 has caused a lot of frustration and disappointment because he isn’t able to help on the field.
“I definitely wanted to gut it out,” Seymour said, “but it isn’t a situation where you can, you can’t gut a hamstring out. It isn’t like you can tape a shoulder up or tape an elbow, or one of those deals. A hamstring, it ain’t like you can say, OK. It’s totally different from that standpoint.
“But one of the most disappointing things for me is, being a team leader and not being out there with my teammates. That’s the most disappointing part because I bleed silver and black.”
Along those lines, Seymour was asked if he wants to re-sign with the Raiders after this season. He is an unrestricted free agent after this season and free to negotiate with any of the league’s 32 teams.
“In terms of my future, we’re still in the season and, I guess, when that time comes, we’ll cross that bridge then,” Seymour said. “Like I said, I bleed silver and black. From that standpoint, we’ll see what happens when that time comes. For now, I’ll continue to lead and support my teammates.”
Seymour is in his 12th NFL season. In his prime, he commanded double-teams and oftentimes dominated at the line of scrimmage, freeing up teammates in one-on-one situations and making those around him better.
Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie had the option of cutting Seymour this past offseason and sending him on his way with $7.5 million guaranteed. Instead, McKenzie and Seymour worked out a restructured contract that kept Seymour in the mix.
Now, McKenzie has tape of the eight games Seymour played, as well as that from Seymour’s first 11 seasons, to gauge whether it’s worth bringing back Seymour.
Seymour is convinced that he still has the ability to play at a high level.
“When healthy, I still play at an elite level,” Seymour said. “That’s one of the things that, the film speaks for itself.”

– Allen said Phillip Adams is healthy and ready to go for Sunday’s game. That means Adams will start at cornerback and also return punts.
Adams suffered his second concussion of the season last Sunday. Yet, he passed all the league-mandated tests for players that suffer concussions and has been cleared to play.

– The Raiders have 25 players that are potential free agents after this season. Seventeen of those are unrestricted free agents, meaning they can sign anywhere they please, short of the Raiders placing the franchise tag on one of them.
Allen said he and his coaching staff are paying close attention to how their players perform down the stretch, at a time when some players are prone to going through the motions, given the playoffs no longer are part of the equation.
“Oh, yeah, we’re looking at that,” Allen said. “That’s part of the evaluation process. I’ve already stated that, we’ve got to look at guys as we move forward to see what we’re going to do in the future and, obviously, we’ve got two more games to get an opportunity to look at them.”
Beyond that, Allen said, he expects the same kind of effort from his players every game, regardless the situation.
“My hope is that they’re playing football because they love playing the game of football, and they enjoy doing what they do for a living, and that’s just who they are,” Allen said. “They’re not playing necessarily for contracts, they’re playing because that’s what’s deep down inside their soul. That’s what I see, but I can’t speak for everybody.”

– Strong safety Tyvon Branch is at less than 100 percent heading into the Panthers game. A pain-killing shot helped him make it through the Chiefs game last Sunday.
Allen said he expects Branch to play this Sunday, just knowing how tough and dedicated Branch has been all season.
“He had to take a shot to help him make it through the game,” Allen said, “and anytime you do that, you’re a little more sore when you come back. He’s a warrior, though. He’s a battler. He’s a fighter. He’s going to be out there if he can.”

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  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Players do quit if they feel they hate the coach, the team, the direction of the regime, and want out, prefer to be signed by another team.

    Plenty of examples of players quitting. Moss for example.

  • dr_robert

    dr_robert Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
    Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 7:01 am
    Reggie has cancelled football season this year.
    ************

    this wasn’t clever the first time u said it.
    ********************************************

    I take that back bro. That’s awesome.

  • dr_robert

    GG Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 9:16 pm
    Players do quit if they feel they hate the coach, the team, the direction of the regime, and want out, prefer to be signed by another team.

    Plenty of examples of players quitting. Moss for example.
    ======================================

    I agree. DA needs to spread some love, like John Wooten.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Highest Rated QBs since Week 11…

    1. Cam Newton
    2. Russell Wilson
    3. Colin Kaepernick
    4. Tom Brady

    New Wave ;)

  • http://raiders.com Mulligan44

    Panthers 41
    Raiders (3 FGs)

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Sup Dawgs. Just out doin the partay thing with my fine broads. Textin from my iphone. It’s cool.

    Sent from my iPhone.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Serious question…

    If we consider Knapp a goner. But Reggie/Allen wanting to maintain the WCO. What current OC’s or current position coaches from a WCO background, that Reggie/Allen could hire for next season?

    We’d have to assume they’d want to continue the WCO offense as they’ve been teaching that system, and one thing that can be said of the regime, is they’re after continuity come hell or highwater.

    Obviously, if we could Norv Turner at OC, and go back to a vertical offense. But do you think Reggie/Allen are that apt to making a drastic change? They’re not the types who’ve shown that yet.

    So, just for this hypothetical Q&A, focus on WCO proponents.

  • Rumbly Tummy

    GG Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 9:24 pm
    Serious question…

    If we consider Knapp a goner. But Reggie/Allen wanting to maintain the WCO. What current OC’s or current position coaches from a WCO background, that Reggie/Allen could hire for next season?

    We’d have to assume they’d want to continue the WCO offense as they’ve been teaching that system, and one thing that can be said of the regime, is they’re after continuity come hell or highwater.

    Obviously, if we could Norv Turner at OC, and go back to a vertical offense. But do you think Reggie/Allen are that apt to making a drastic change? They’re not the types who’ve shown that yet.

    So, just for this hypothetical Q&A, focus on WCO proponents.
    ________________________________

    Gruden. Come hell or high water, and we gettin both, got to be Gruden.

  • 1 Burrito Shy of a Combo Plater

    If the game against KC was a toilet bowl, does this game merit a laundry tub game? How bout a bowel bowl game? Not much really at stake here. Bragging rights perhaps. Newton legacy? DA legacy? Is the game even going to have a camera crew there?

  • SLAYER

    NO MO COACHIN’ CHANGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…ALLEN AND KNAPP AND TARVER MUST RETURN,…MUST…NO MO COACHIN’ CHANGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!….SHUT YO MOUTH BOUT JOHN GRUDEN. 666

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Did you know 666 isn’t even the number of the beast. It’s something else, wonder if you know what it is.

  • DJ Johnny

    511,

    What is it GG?

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Lol…the beast is really only Nero.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast

    All these metal heads and satanists etc really only celebrating some long dead Roman Emperor.

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  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    DJ Johnny Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    511,

    What is it GG?

    ======

    http://newstalkkit.com/files/2012/07/Marshawn-Lynch.jpg

    :P

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Which, in reverse, is the answer to life, the universe and everything.

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  • MiamiRaider78

    Go Lakers!

  • J Hill

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    JFB?????

    EastOak????

    Whut happened?

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Fcck the warriors couldnt finish it. alot of young talent though going against HALL OF FAMERS.

    Warriors are young and exciting. More then the Raiders could say.

    btw hope pryor plays alot tommorow and takes one to the house on a READ…OPTION!!

  • da trinity

    Lakers!!!!!

  • hendu

    Man, this blog is junk tonight. Oh, and pay Gruden whatever it takes…..RAIDERS!!

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    http://raidernationtimes.com/article.php?id=9510

    Mark Davis:

    The odds of Mark Davis selling his control over the Raiders before they play a meaningful game in 2013 is next to zero. Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen might as well be Matt Damon and Greg Kinnear (movie: Stuck On You) because they’re conjoined twins (for the moment).

    Mark Davis may be as disgusted with the performance of the team as the rest of Raider Nation; However, that being said I don’t believe that he’s sooo disgusted that he’s ready to fire Reggie McKenzie. Firing McKenzie at this point would only facilitate Mr. Davis beginning a new general manager search; He may be disgusted, but he ain’t THAT disgusted.

    ============

    Reggie McKenzie:

    As I stated, I don’t believe that Mark Davis is ready to fire Reggie McKenzie. In conjunction with that I don’t believe (at this point) that Reggie McKenzie is ready to fire Dennis Allen. Feel how you want about Hue Jackson, and his tenure as head coach; The facts are that the team scored more points, gave up fewer points, and won more games under Hue Jackson as a rookie head coach then they have under Dennis Allen. Let’s also remember that Dennis Allen had the benefit of a full off season, training camp, and pre season to implement his system; Hue Jackson had to deal with a lock out.

    Reggie McKenzie made it clear (to everyone) that it was his decision to fire Hue Jackson. It was his (Reggie McKenzie) decision to hire Dennis Allen, and allow him (Allen) to hire his own coaching staff (which currently includes Greg Knapp). If Reggie McKenzie were to fire Dennis Allen right now it would probably make him look like a fool; For having hired Dennis Allen as head coach is the first place.

    For that reason alone (as far as I’m concerned) McKenzie will have Allen back, at least for one more season. McKenzie may appear to be the fool, if he fires Allen after one dismal season; He would however look shall we say – slightly more attractive – if he were to fire Allen after two.

    McKenzie needs to focus on proving he is what we think he is (and need him to be). A man who can recognize, and find talent; Not just NFL talent, I’m talking about players who can thrive wearing the silver and black of our beloved Raiders!

    Losing record, or not playing for the Oakland Raiders is not like playing for, let’s say — the Arizona Cardinals (just to pick a team out of the air). The Raiders need to have certain types of players in certain positions. Reggie McKenzie should understand this; Now he needs to prove, not only that he understands, but that he can (and will) get the job done.

    I don’t want to hear about draft picks and cap space. You want a “reason” for being held back?!? Try slavery. Now that’s a – reason. No high draft picks, and cap space restraints are nothing more than excuses for losing. The truly talented general managers thrive under any circumstances. A general manager with half a brain should be able to build a team, if they have a fist full of draft picks in one hand and a fist full of cash in the other. I need McKenzie to prove that he’s above average. This draft class should give Raider Nation a good indication whether or not Reggie can recognize the not so obvious diamonds that are in every draft class, and restore our Raiders.

    Again, what are we? The Arizona Cardinals?!? (not picking on the red birds) We don’t think “inside the box.” We know that – there is no box (borrowing a bit from The Matrix).

    I’m expecting, despite the draft and salary situation for McKenzie to be able to find a few “Raiders” to add to Oakland’s roster. Reggie McKenzie (I believe) has the opportunity to make a statement as General Manager of the Raiders. However, in order for that to happen there are certain things he must do, and he must avoid.

    Beginning with the later, McKenzie must avoid being linked to losing. If Allen is unable to correct his own ship McKenzie will have no choice but to sink it; Or watch his own ship sink right along with that of Allen.

    The next pitfall McKenzie must avoid is a two headed beast. One head is the dreaded Draft Day Mistake (see Robert Gallery for reference).The other head belongs to the Expensive Free Agent Bust (I know that we have some questions at quarterback but the last thing we need is to bring in a Mark Sanchez).

    McKenzie has pretty much gutted the Raider roster. Before the season began he had to have changed at least 26 out of the 53 players the Raiders had on the roster. However, that roster change has not produced positive results on the field of play. This will be the Raider first losing season since 2009.

    It’s going to be important for him to not develop a foundation based upon losing. He’s going to need to draft well, and find the proper free agents to play Raider Football.

    I would look for McKenzie to continue to draft defense; You could see a Jarvis Jones, defensive end for Georgia join the Raiders roster (we do need someone to rush, and sack the quarterback). You could also see Manti Te’o the linebacker from Norte Dame (The Raiders do need leadership at this position). Also don’t be surprised if Kyle Long, son of Raider legend Howie Long joins the team. Kyle is not a defensive player, however he is an offensive lineman (another area the Raiders could use an upgrade at), and he is a legacy player (We didn’t have a change to draft Jake Long — so don’t be surprised if we pick up Kyle).

    ============

    Dennis Allen:

    In my opinion 2013 needs to be: The Year Of Dennis Allen. It goes without saying that I’ll be watching to see the new McKenzie acquisitions; Remember McKenzie has entirely rebuilt the Raiders professional and college scouting teams. However, Allen’s job is to – as we say: coach em’ up! The first thing that I need confirmed is that Dennis Allen knows defense. As you’re reading my words our defense is ranked no better than 21st against the run and 27th against the pass. Moreover, the Raiders defense has played games in which they’ve allowed their opponent to score 42, 55, and 38 points!!

    I’m aware of the fact that our defensive line acts as though their allergic to quarterbacks. We have questions at line backer. We have cover corners, minus the cover, and un-safe safeties. However, as I stated Dennis Allen’s job is to coach em’ up!! The first word that comes to mind, pertaining to what I’ve seen of the Raiders game plans this season from week to week is: SUSPECT.

    Allen’s in game, and half time adjustment are virtually nonexistent, and the adjustments that have been made, for the most part have been unsuccessful; See the “long snapper game” if you have any questions. Too often this season the Raiders have looked not only over matched but unprepared, and that unprepared part has to do with the coaching.

    Speaking of coaching, Reggie McKenzie gave Dennis Allen the power to assemble his own staff. What that means is that Dennis Allen, not Reggie McKenzie is to blame for Raider Nation being forced to suffer through Greg Knapp part II. Comparing the 2012 Raiders offensive production with that of the 2013 team is like comparing Jessica Alba to a hobbit; In other words: There is no comparison. Furthermore, let’s not forget that it was Dennis Allen’s idea to hire Jason Tarver to run the defense (instead of doing it himself).

    As I stated, when discussing the General Manager it doesn’t really take talent to coach a team filled with pro bowl type players; After all there are gentlemen like Barry Switzer walking around with Super Bowl rings on their fingers — that really belong to someone else (Raider Nation’s John Gruden is another one of these gentlemen). Conversely we’ve all seen teams bring in a head coach and that gentleman, just by his presence and game planning boost the teams win total!! Dennis Allen needs to prove that he’s that type of head coach.

    2013, I need to see Dennis Allen run this team and show Raider Nation that he has some real passion!! I’m also expecting Allen to make some changes to his coaching staff. Specifically, I can’t see him bringing back Greg Knapp as Raider offensive coordinator. The question is will he bring in someone with former head coaching experience? (might be a challenge to his authority?) This would probably be in the best interest of the Raiders, but I’m not too sure if Allen is going to be willing to hire someone McKenzie could use as his replacement.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Jon Gruden isnt coming to the Raiders till its announced!

  • beechams gay lover

    anyone seen beech dawg? he must be blowing some random dude. he does that from time to time

  • DJ Johnny

    GG Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
    Which, in reverse, is the answer to life, the universe and everything.

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    lOL.

  • DJ Johnny

    521,

    GG,

    Nice post. I enjoyed it.

  • rudegruden

    The question is will he bring in someone with former head coaching experience? (might be a challenge to his authority?) This would probably be in the best interest of the Raiders, but I’m not too sure if Allen is going to be willing to hire someone McKenzie could use as his replacement.

    ——————————————
    That will be one of the big problems keeping DA around. I don’t think he has the confidence to bring in a OC or DC that have head coaching experience or could be considered a HC in the near future. Because of this we have to either grab some experienced POS who has proved not to work (Knapp) or a shot in the dark young coordinator with 0 NFL coordinating experience (Tarver).

  • SouthEast Raider

    Just wondering if the Raids offense can put up more than FGs.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    I liked this bit from the article probably the most…

    A general manager with half a brain should be able to build a team, if they have a fist full of draft picks in one hand and a fist full of cash in the other. I need McKenzie to prove that he’s above average. This draft class should give Raider Nation a good indication whether or not Reggie can recognize the not so obvious diamonds that are in every draft class, and restore our Raiders.

  • SouthEast Raider

    For that reason alone (as far as I’m concerned) McKenzie will have Allen back, at least for one more season. McKenzie may appear to be the fool, if he fires Allen after one dismal season; He would however look shall we say – slightly more attractive – if he were to fire Allen after two.

    So in other words Reggie is willing to tank another year to save face? This sucks man.

  • rudegruden

    SouthEast Raider Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 10:51 pm
    For that reason alone (as far as I’m concerned) McKenzie will have Allen back, at least for one more season. McKenzie may appear to be the fool, if he fires Allen after one dismal season; He would however look shall we say – slightly more attractive – if he were to fire Allen after two.

    So in other words Reggie is willing to tank another year to save face? This sucks man.

    ——————
    I wouldn’t doubt it. Reggie seems to be that type of guy who strategically lines up his excuses to save face.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Al Davis — better to be right than consistent.

    Reggie might want to ponder on those words and grow a pair…re: coaching staff changes, recognizing mistakes one has made oneself, and fixing them, instead of worrying more about one’s profile.

    Remember, Reggie must know that his OWN job security is in jeopardy if he continues to lose, which bad coaching hires will do. Surely he’s not that stupid to not realize he cannot marry himself to “year one” coaches just to show a face of continuity, if he truly thinks they’re regressing the team and are constantly out-coached and out-prepared by 90% of the opposition.

  • Try Some Reality

    Back-N-Black Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 8:30 pm
    Try Some Reality Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Back-N-Black Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 9:00 am
    What if the Raiders finish the year with wins at Carolina and San Diego?

    Raiders finish 6-10… only 2 games off the pace of last year’s 8-8 team while installing new front office, new coaching staff, new schemes on offense and defense, turning over half the roster, and a harder schedule.

    ============================================

    ***CORRECTION***

    Harder schedule?

    2012 opposing teams winning percentage -> .455
    2011 opposing teams winning percentage -> .504

    2012 opposing teams at or above .500 -> 6
    2011 opposing teams at or above .500 -> 10

    FALSE
    ……

    7 games against playoff teams from last year – Steelers, Ravens, Broncos (2), Saints, Bengals, Falcons

    4 of those on the road

    Miami – who beat us last year – East coast game following a Monday night game

    Final 2 on the road

    Last year – 6 games against playoff teams from the year before – Only 2 of those on the road

    2 of final 3 games at home

    Played a Bears team with backup QB and a Vikings team without Peterson(for the most part)

    Played a Broncos team with Tebow starting(and somehow still lost!!!!)

    So I would consider this year a harder schedule.

    ==========================================

    7 games against playoff teams from last year? LMAO. The hell are you talking about, dude? And we had 8 wins last year. Has nothing to do with this year. We suck now. And so do those “playoff teams from last year”. lol

    So you reject my cold hard facts and insert your conjecture and opinion. LMFAO! Get a load of you. Who cares what you think. Facts are facts. We had a tougher schedule LAST YEAR! The standings don’t lie, friend! That’s not my opinion. It’s fact.

    and the more you look at it, the worse it looks. 5 wins against teams .500 or better last year. This year? ……1

  • Try Some Reality

    The DA excuse makers are hilarious. We played 7 playoff teams from “last year”. LOL!

  • rudegruden

    Try Some Reality Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 10:58 pm
    Back-N-Black Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 8:30 pm
    Try Some Reality Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 9:17 am

    Back-N-Black Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 9:00 am
    What if the Raiders finish the year with wins at Carolina and San Diego?

    Raiders finish 6-10… only 2 games off the pace of last year’s 8-8 team while installing new front office, new coaching staff, new schemes on offense and defense, turning over half the roster, and a harder schedule.

    ============================================

    ***CORRECTION***

    Harder schedule?

    2012 opposing teams winning percentage -> .455
    2011 opposing teams winning percentage -> .504

    2012 opposing teams at or above .500 -> 6
    2011 opposing teams at or above .500 -> 10

    FALSE
    ……

    7 games against playoff teams from last year – Steelers, Ravens, Broncos (2), Saints, Bengals, Falcons

    4 of those on the road

    Miami – who beat us last year – East coast game following a Monday night game

    Final 2 on the road

    Last year – 6 games against playoff teams from the year before – Only 2 of those on the road

    2 of final 3 games at home

    Played a Bears team with backup QB and a Vikings team without Peterson(for the most part)

    Played a Broncos team with Tebow starting(and somehow still lost!!!!)

    So I would consider this year a harder schedule.

    ==========================================

    7 games against playoff teams from last year? LMAO. The hell are you talking about, dude? And we had 8 wins last year. Has nothing to do with this year. We suck now. And so do those “playoff teams from last year”. lol

    So you reject my cold hard facts and insert your conjecture and opinion. LMFAO! Get a load of you. Who cares what you think. Facts are facts. We had a tougher schedule LAST YEAR! The standings don’t lie, friend! That’s not my opinion. It’s fact.

    and the more you look at it, the worse it looks. 5 wins against teams .500 or better last year. This year? ……1

    =======

    Also, why is Back-N-Black determining strength of schedule based on PREVIOUS year’s results? That is something you do in preseason.

    Bottom line: We were competitive two straight years at 8-8, this year a laughing stock. Agreed results don’t lie.

  • rudegruden

    Try Some Reality Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 11:02 pm
    The DA excuse makers are hilarious. We played 7 playoff teams from “last year”. LOL!

    ==========

    If you compare this year’s schedule to 1993′s results, this year we have a much harder schedule

  • Try Some Reality

    LOL

  • Try Some Reality

    We made some sorry azz teams look like world beaters this year and the excuse makers want us to use last year’s results to gauge our competition this year. I tell ya, you just can’t make this sh1t up.

  • DJ Johnny

    Back-N-Black Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 9:00 am
    What if the Raiders finish the year with wins at Carolina and San Diego?

    Raiders finish 6-10… only 2 games off the pace of last year’s 8-8 team while installing new front office, new coaching staff, new schemes on offense and defense, turning over half the roster, and a harder schedule.

    Part of the argument is assuming we are gonna finish 6-10.

    THAT is a pretty big assumption. The three game winning streak IF it comes would have come against 3 LOSING teams whichever way u slice it.

    IF …we were to win these next two it would be something to hang your hat on imo, but we’re 8.5 pt. underdogs this week and sure to be underdogs at SD as well, so this 6-10 is far from being a done deal.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    It’s incredibly disconcerting that Allen/Knapp tried so hard to gloat about the Chiefs win. The Chiefs were tanking for a higher pick. Only ran Charles 10 times. Didn’t try to win, could’ve kicked 3 FGs themselves.

    Lucky against Jags — officials awarded us a dodgy DPI. Without it, we lose that game.

    Our first Chiefs win was legit, but we’re talking about the worst team in the NFL.

    Fluked a win against a Steelers team missing key players.

    That’s the extent of it.

    Every game we’ve had someone put up career stats against us.

    If Reggie were for real, he’d fire Allen and hire Gruden himself.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Let Allen go somewhere else and play HC Intern.

  • Try Some Reality

    Remember folks, when we got our azzes handed to us by New Orleans, we weren’t really losing to the 6-8 Saints of 2012. No sir, you have to look at their record from LAST year. So we really lost to the 13-3 Saints from 2011, it’s just that we played the game in 2012. LOL!

    Thank you, Back-N-Black. This has been amusing.

  • Try Some Reality

    GG Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
    It’s incredibly disconcerting that Allen/Knapp tried so hard to gloat about the Chiefs win. The Chiefs were tanking for a higher pick. Only ran Charles 10 times. Didn’t try to win, could’ve kicked 3 FGs themselves.

    ==========================================

    This is obvious to everyone except the Double Agent and his excuse makers.

  • DJ Johnny

    GG,

    I see what you’re syaing, but for me personally i’m not gonna discount any wins from this yr. since i’ve been sticking up for all the wins from last yr. in response to guys saying “it wasn’t real” or it was “a mirage” so in fairness i’m fine with giving the DA fans their wins and going with the “you are what your record says you are” stance.

    4-10 is bad enough. Lol.

  • DJ Johnny

    I have been teetering on the DA issue. Part of me wants to see some continuity at HC as firing our HC every yr. has been a source and sign of dysfunction and embarrassment for Raider fans; which is why I didn’t even want Cable fired..and then Hue after that, but what’s worse. Going more seasons at 3-13 4-12 or 5-11, or keep doing it till we get it right?

    It’s a conundrum.

    I’m not at all pleased with what we did this season that’s for sure.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    #543…

    That’s also a good argument. Good approach to winning the debate.

    #542 also happens to be a good argument, a good approach to winning the debate :)

    Ie, either way you look at it, there’s no way anyone can defend Allen and his record. Whatsoever.

  • DJ Johnny

    545,

    Absolutely not. I agree. I’d rather hear “Yes, this looks bad and there’s not much we can say to defend DA for this horrible season, but i think he should have another yr. because i think he’ll learn from his mistakes and we’ll get better”.

    It’s much more palatable than trying to sell this disaster of a season as BETTER than the previous 2 seasons, or that DA has really improved the team despite the record.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    #546

    Exactly. That’s what’s troubling. That’s exactly the heart of the matter. Not just Allen/Knapp/Reggie supporters deflecting the reality, deflecting blame from themselves. But Reggie/Allen/Knapp have been doing that too…blaming players, blaming previous regime, blaming other coaching elements inside the organization. And trying to pull the wool over astute fans and shill beat writers, by suggesting that they weren’t trying to win and make playoffs, or they didn’t really believe they would win and make playoffs.

    Which is hogwash. If you look at Reggie’s transactions, and Allen’s hires and starting personnel (and who hasnt been played)…they’ve been trying to field the best team, been trying to win, restructuring contracts to retain certain vet players, etc.

    This 4-12 season, with a lot of broken franchise records for patheticness, was this regime GENUINELY trying to win now lol.

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  • dr_robert

    so some idiot spends all his time jacking my handle and “spreading love”. what’s the point? why not just do it under ur own alias? why try to get people to believe i’m doing it? are u somehow hurting me by pretending to be all lovey dovey? i like the sentiment, but apparently, he’s trying to say i’m usually mean. i am. but only to jackazzes. so what could be gained? making me look nicer? weird.

  • dr_robert

    Los Raida Locos Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    dr_robert Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    SLAYER Says:
    December 22nd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
    ESPN…JOHN GRUDEN IS A D-BAG. ALLEN AND KNAPP AND TARVER DESERVE AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR,…AT LEAST. GO RAIDERS AND HAIL SATAN. 666
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    spoken like a true idiot. anyone who thinks the devil is their friend is a moron. and he probably thinks he’s “scary”. ooohhhhh. big deal====
    =====================
    I’ve come to realize something.
    Does’nt matter who posts under wht name.
    Doesn’t matter what they say. Could be the dumbest comment in the world all designed to see if some doorknob will bite.
    And you always bite.
    Every single time.

    Every….single….time.

    and what’s funny is reading your replies you seem to actually buy into every comment, like the one above.
    ***********

    i like making fun of idiots who are here to cause trouble. u have never engaged me in conversation so what do u care?