Final: Panthers 17, Raiders 6
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, December 23rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders can’t catch a break, nor are they good enough to make their own.
That much was evident Sunday in a 17-6 loss to the Carolina Panthers at Bank of America Stadium, a game that was destined to be a struggle the moment Carson Palmer left the game for good with 1:57 left in the first quarter.
Hit from behind by Carolina defensive end Greg Hardy, who was called for roughing the passer, Palmer did not suffer broken ribs, according to X-rays, but he was in too much pain to continue.
Palmer gave way to Matt Leinart, who struggled with timing and rhythm after sitting the bench all season. The Raiders managed only 21-yard and 31-yard field goals by Sebastian Janikowski in falling to 4-11 before a crowd of 73,026.
Carolina (6-9), in its regular-season home finale, got a 23-yard touchdown pass from Cam Newton to Steve Smith and a 3-yard from Newton in what was a fairly stout game by the Oakland defense.
Graham Gano kicked a 51-yard field goal with 2:46 remaining to put the game away for the Panthers.
Newton completed 18 of 29 passes for 170 yards and rushed 12 times for 60 yards. Leinart was 16 for 31 for 115 yards and an interception.
The Raiders had reason to be frustrated about the way things went down in losing their 10th consecutive game in an eastern time zone.
On Newton’s touchdown pass to Smith, Carolina tackle Byron Bell appeared to be holding Raiders defensive end Lamarr Houston. No flag was thrown.
In the second quarter, a Carolina drive was extended when Tommy Kelly was called for unnecessary roughness after scuffling with Newton. Newton had initiated the altercation by kicking Kelly after the sack.
Later in the same drive, linebacker Miles Burris was called for unnecessary roughness on what appeared to be a hard, clean hit on tight end Greg Olson.
The Raiders got a break when Graham Gano missed a 48-yard field goal attempt, but Oakland gave the ball right back two plays later when Leinart was intercepted by linebacker Luke Kuechly. That initiated a 29-yard drive which resulted in Newton’s touchdown run.
Two times in the third quarter the Raiders forced turnovers in Carolina territory and managed only six points.
A forced fumble by Chimdi Chekwa was recovered by Richard Gordon at the 32-yard line, but the Raiders worked quickly backward to the 42 before Shane Lechler was forced to punt.
The Raiders were forced out of field goal range when Jared Veldheer was called for holding on third-and-10, forcing the ball to the 43, and a Leinart pass to Brandon Myers gained a single yard.
On the final play of the third quarter, Philip Wheeler deflected a Newton pass to set up Oakland at the Carolina 18.
The Raiders had first-and-goal at the 8 after a Charles Godfrey penalty against Rod Streater for a head-high shot on third-and-9.
Terrelle Pryor, inserted on three occasions with Leinart split wide, tossed a 5-yard pass to Marcel Reece to the 3. McFadden trotted into the end zone for an apparent touchdown, but it was called back on a holding penalty by Stefen Wisniewski.
Janikowski eventually connected from 31 yards.
Finally, after Leinart drove the Raiders to the 24-yard line, a Rod Streater narrowly missed a leaping grab at the 5-yard line on third-and-4, failing to bring the ball all the way to the ground against the defense of James Dockery and D.J. Campbell.
On fourth down, Leinart couldn’t find his first read to his left, attempted to throw a screen to his right to Darren McFadden, and Hardy batted the ball down to end the threat.
The Raiders finish the season in San Diego on Dec. 30.
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December 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
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December 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Fvck you DA. Fvck you.
Stick that sharpie up your a55 sideways.
Straight up sabotage. There is no other way to explain it.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
All hell, am i 1st?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
DA = the double agent
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
And with the first overall pick in the 2014 draft, the Los Angeles Raiders select ….
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Bring in Gruden.
But first hire Steven Segal to cocckpunch DA on his way out.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
guess not
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Allen post-game: “Tough luck fellas, we had them but didn’t execute and let them off the hook. Game ball today goes to Greg Knapp for calling a fantastic game to keep us in the hunt right down to the wire.”
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
One year as a DC, and he gets a HC job?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
no way i buy season tickets next year…
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
where can I listen to the post game presser online?
I cant wait to hear his explanation.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
What does DA do?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Reggies guy sucs
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
DA is a clown
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
where can I listen to the post game presser online?
I cant wait to hear his explanation.
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Go fk yourself
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
They are who we thought they were!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Same exact score last time we played them.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
reggie needs to fire everyone, including himself.
Shaw woulod have been a better coach this this clown
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
We let’em off the hook!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Yet Jerry will still give the coaching staff a solid B grade on Monday.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Thec Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
coaches do not want to give TP a chance. If by chance he succeeds they will look even worse, than the sh1t face they have
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This is a good point. They have breached the point of no return at this point. Houdini will make them look even more foolish than they look already.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Knapps scheme = no TD
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
DA is a little bltch azz…
684.Carl Weathers Says:
September 17th, 2012 at 6:57 am
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Raiders-Introduce-Allen-as-Head-Coach/c66de533-4a49-46de-9a82-32c9a28cd1c6
Watching Allen on the sidelines yesterday reminded me of something I noticed at his inaugural presser. I don’t like the calls he makes or doesn’t make. And use that fvckin red flag, wuss.
Go to 26:50 and see Allen show his “tell” like a bad poker player. I mentioned it here at the time but forgot about it over the summer and after LOTS of kool aid.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
One year as a DC, and he gets a HC job?
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Worked for Mike Tomlin.
But probably won’t for us.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Bring in Gruden.
But first hire Steven Segal to cocckpunch DA on his way out.
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LMAO.
Gotta hope for the Chargers to grind us into dust next week in SD. It’s our only hope to get rid of these clowns and hopefully get Mark to get Gruden.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
I am for continuity and I am for change. Somethings need to continue, others need to go. Offensive coordinator tops the list to be changed.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Should have kept Gradkowski
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
How many would take Hue as GM/HC/OC over this crap?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
neal….pryor give him opportunity!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Mark should take off without the coaching staff, let them walk to Alameda from Charlotte.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Dennis Allen has a commitment to the most boring style football imaginable, from press conferences to substitute QBs take the least entertaining path. every time…
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Wow, who would’ve though after all these years & supposed Heisman hopefuls that Rodney Peete is still Peete would be the best QB out of USC in the past 25 years….
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
According to ESPN, Leinart averaged 3.6 yards per pass.
Alaska Jack lllll
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
slamming the host both neal and romo about not letting pryor play!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
LOL at the Gruden talk still.
I am sure he watched this and couldn’t wait to take the job.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Thec Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
coaches do not want to give TP a chance. If by chance he succeeds they will look even worse, than the sh1t face they have
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This is a good point. They have breached the point of no return at this point. Houdini will make them look even more foolish than they look already.
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Im a firm believer that this is now the case.
At first,
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
23.Tow Mater Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Knapps scheme = no TD
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Have patience. It takes a couple of years to get in the groove with Knappys O.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Huge typo… – omit “is still Peete”… Can’t keep up with these damn smart phones and their little text boxes
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
At first I THOUGHT DA was just trying to save his job.
Now its clear he’s trying to protect himself from looking stupid. By playing Leinart. It’s insane behavior.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Imo, Gruden is coming, already signed. This staff is sabotaging for sure to spite Mark.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Tuckrulefool Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Ok caps lock off..I’m trying to simmer down…(tough)
Honestly, can ANYONE tell me what is gained by playing Leinert over Pryor, especially AFTER it was clear he couldnt move the ball/score points 2 quarters ago?
So …if Pryor goes in and he flops. Worst case, we dont score points.
Where is the downside risk?
Exactly..THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE RISK..
Seiously, how stupid is this guy?
My logical side says that DA must be retarded. If so I take back my earlier rants. That would be like kicking a dog. Unthinkable. He obviously needs mental help.
He has my best wishes to a speedy recovery once he is immediately relieved of his duties.
He is like a 3 yr old swimmming against Michael Phelps. Wors still, the poor tyke HONESTLY thinks he can win!
He is WAYYY overmatched and bewildered at this point.
He needs to be removed, stat.
Mark are you watching?
Our ONLY hope going forward into 13 and beyond..repeat ONLY hope….is that Mark Davis is -not insane-. If he is sane (or even partially sane) this nonsense will end 1 day after the season ends.
AND then Mark will will aggressively go after Gruden.
The Nation is -thoroughly- fed up.
(Yes I’m the “National” spokesman this afternoon).
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I don’t know why people don’t get it.
TP is not the future of the Raiders. If he was, he would be playing. Simple as that.
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If TP6 is that bad then put him in there this game and show the world just how bad he is. Then, there is no longer an argument. This was a meaningless game. There was absolutely nothing to lose. I’m not a big TP6 fan but C’mon man, this was the time to showcase what is or isn’t there. Just BAD decisions on DA’s part. Leinart is no solution either. He combined with Knapp’s impotent offense just shows how BAD the Knapp decision was to begin with. Knapp needs to be fired but I really don’t expect DA to pull the trigger.
I’m not wasting any more of my $’s on season tickets. It’s the only real way I can protest the crap we are now seeing in Oakland.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Spots Mckenzie is a fat POS who should be tar and feathered for bringing that visor wearing, pencil neck puzzy coach to Oakland.
Mark Davis needs to show some nuts and fire this entire cast of clowns.
Mat Leinart should never wear a raiders uniform again. They play that joke while TP sits. WTF is going on. Is this some ole school southern oppression or what. The talentless guy plays and blows. While the young potentially talented guy sits.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
“cant play for rain and complain about the mud!” on DAs coaching and not letting pryor play!
romo
its been a disaster!
host defending coaches…romo and neal slamming him
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
What does DA do?
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Wears a visor, stands there and lets his fantasicismo coaches run the Raiders into the soil. Meanwhile, the coaches can’t coach because they have to much soil in the ball-less walnut sack. Hope I answered your question.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Thus, Mark will fire them for cause and revive the projector
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
pray for rain!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@38
History shows there is no “groove” to get into with Krappy’s O.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Another awful game. Man, this is just embarrassing. And I’m sorry there was plenty of effort on the field! This all comes down to coaching! We have the worst coaches in the NFL!!!!!!!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
The Great Sabotage of 2012
The problem is the Double Agent may be going a little too far. If he had somehow won this last game and played Houdini, he could have fooled us a bit. The cat’s out of the bag now. Can this CHUMP and move on. He’s sabotaging this team while cashing checks. Him and his clique of agents.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
When was the last time the Raiders scored a TD ? Christmas happens more often than a Knapp lead offense scores TD’s
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
DA should be forced to down a shot of SeaBass’ watery beer schist every time Knapster calls the run-run-horizontal pass for a 3 and out.
He would be in the ER having his stomach pumped by halftime.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Keep Carson out with ribs – prepare Pryor to start in meaningless game. All else means this staff is not into evaluating jack crap – this IS the NFL. Coaches should have the players ready to go. Pryor can do as good as check down Leinhart.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
We could sign the best 10 free agents this offseason and we would still go 6-10 with this coaching staff.
We need better players, but with this garbage staff it would mean nothing.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
GG Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Thus, Mark will fire them for cause and revive the projector
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The return on the projector would ALMOST make this season worthwhile.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Romanowski should head butt the host.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Pryor isn’t playing because Al Davis picked him. He’s not their guy. Just like blowing up the offensive staff and fitting that square peg into the round hole.
Palmer going down was the PERFECT scenario to get TP in an NFL regualr season game to see what he can do. FVCK THIS STAFF AN FVCK U TOO REGGIE!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
RaidO Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Tuckrulefool Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Ok caps lock off..I’m trying to simmer down…(tough)
Honestly, can ANYONE tell me what is gained by playing Leinert over Pryor, especially AFTER it was clear he couldnt move the ball/score points 2 quarters ago?
So …if Pryor goes in and he flops. Worst case, we dont score points.
Where is the downside risk?
Exactly..THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE RISK..
Seiously, how stupid is this guy?
My logical side says that DA must be retarded. If so I take back my earlier rants. That would be like kicking a dog. Unthinkable. He obviously needs mental help.
He has my best wishes to a speedy recovery once he is immediately relieved of his duties.
He is like a 3 yr old swimmming against Michael Phelps. Wors still, the poor tyke HONESTLY thinks he can win!
He is WAYYY overmatched and bewildered at this point.
He needs to be removed, stat.
Mark are you watching?
Our ONLY hope going forward into 13 and beyond..repeat ONLY hope….is that Mark Davis is -not insane-. If he is sane (or even partially sane) this nonsense will end 1 day after the season ends.
AND then Mark will will aggressively go after Gruden.
The Nation is -thoroughly- fed up.
(Yes I’m the “National” spokesman this afternoon).
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I don’t know why people don’t get it.
TP is not the future of the Raiders. If he was, he would be playing. Simple as that.
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WHAT? is Foles the future for Philly? Is Mcelroy the future for the Jets??? They don’t know but they are giving them a shot. THAT IS WHAT YOU DO. We all know Leinart is NOT THE FUTURE OF THE RAIDERS.
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Exactly. The coaches already know what they want to do with Pryor. They don’t feel the future QB of the Raiders is on the team.
I want to see the guy play too. I’m just removing myself as a fan and observing what is going on. I think TP is gone.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Why is it that the Raiders have to “wait”???
Indy, WASH, and SEA did not have to “wait”.
This org is finished
Fck McMum and his guy
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
romo….asking for ” pryor! why not?”
neal…fgs only? want tds! +10 quarters without a td…
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Imo, Gruden is coming, already signed
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Well, you are a big conspiracy theory guy, so that doesn’t suprise me.
I will give you 3 to 1 odds on it.
Name your price.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
DA’s December is Kiffin’s 75 yard FG.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
All you need to do is look at the game time and how long it’s been since the Raiders scored a freakin’ touchdown!! Knapp is terrible and needs to be fired yesterday!! Tarver is awful and needs to go yesterday!!! Get some coaches in here that maybe have won a game or two!!!! I’ve never been so pissed being a Raiders Fan. Just awful!!!!!!!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Damn that was a great throw by Dalton with the season on the line.
Andy Dalton is a player.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
The coaching staff should have prepared TP to play today. He should have taken reps with the first team. This should have been the plan. CP getting hurt should have had nothing to do with this.
DA is not a coach and should be FIRED.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
GG Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Imo, Gruden is coming, already signed. This staff is sabotaging for sure to spite Mark.
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Has to be. As crazy as it is, its the only way to explain this.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
GG Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
DA’s December is Kiffin’s 75 yard FG.
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Problem is, Mark isn’t Al.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
You think these guys just figured out what they wanted to do with TP?????
They should have let him go after pre sea.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
48.OneRaiderNation Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
@38
History shows there is no “groove” to get into with Krappy’s O.
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If you think I was being serious, you’re as stupid as Knapp looks!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Steelers lose. Effin beautiful!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
YES Bungles just won me a triple parlay!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Exactly. The coaches already know what they want to do with Pryor. They don’t feel the future QB of the Raiders is on the team.
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Why not give him a chance? You cannot convince me that the display put on today by Leinart was better than what Houdini can offer. Sorry.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Thec Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Why is it that the Raiders have to “wait”???
Indy, WASH, and SEA did not have to “wait”.
This org is finished
Fck McMum and his guy
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Good point. That “wait” talk is nonsense.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
romo calling for gregg knapps head! he dont get it… biggest dmc runs were on power isos…work your offense around your players!”
stetch plays svck!
neal…”kill the stretch run…zbs dies two man route easy to defend texans will lose in 1st round because of this offense!”
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
#61 no point betting on a blog. People who lose bets to me seldom pay up. Let’s just keep it a friendly bet. 3 to 1 aint that tall, you obviously worry there’s a good chance
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
My guess is after Gruden seeing this travesty, he will beg Mark to hire him out of his sheer goodness and mercy towards the Raiders. Gruden cannot be happy with these coaches. No way. My bet is, Grudens agents are already on the phone with Mark and hammering out the details.
Gruden has to be pissed about this.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
LISTEN TO ME,..KEEP ALLEN AND TARVER AND KNAPP AROUND,..GET A BACK, GET A QB, GET A RECEIVER,..THEN ITS THE WILDCARD. DENVER RUNNING AWAY AGAIN NEXT YEAR. 666 THE RAIDER D NEXT YEAR WILL BE TOP 5. 666
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
vikings beat up the texaints today…
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
So… two field goals.
Nothing at all to do with Palmer, Leinart or Pryor.
It’s all about the ridiculously idiotic offense as designed by Knapp.
Knapp sucks. Bad.
Always has, always will. Has no business at all being an offensive coordinator.
Except, the fact that he’s employed by the Raiders is offensive to everyone.
Who on Earth didn’t see this coming the moment he was hired?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I hope DA’s daughter catches AIDS.
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C’mon man we are all upset but int thi going a bit too far, this guy has problems seriously.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Questio Semi’s, how many years does it take for this current org to get to the center of the playoff’s?
The world may never know.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
LMAO. 2 minutes in and Peyton Manning has the Broncos in the end zone.
Knapp hasn’t gotten us in the end zone in TWO WEEKS against two of the worst teams in the NFL.
Fire everyone.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
DA suchs so sloppy knapp is jealous…
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
@69
If you think I didn’t appreciate the sarcasm, it’s you that’s the slow one, not Reggie
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Exactly. The coaches already know what they want to do with Pryor. They don’t feel the future QB of the Raiders is on the team.
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Why not give him a chance? You cannot convince me that the display put on today by Leinart was better than what Houdini can offer. Sorry.
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Yep.
Its not about winning games. If this was week 4 of the season, Im all for Leinart playing.
But at this point, how can they possibly make a case for Leinart?
Palmer is done for the year. Cartilage damage. TP vs Leinart in practice. Think it will be a open competition? Doubt it.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Congrats Rockstar. Your players will have to choke big-time for you not to win.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
OFFER DAN SNYDER A PICK FOR COUSINS. DRAFT A TOUGH BACK…SIGN A VET RECEIVER. WILDCARD NEXT YEAR. 666
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
We are the Raiders…We will wait another 10 years for the playoffs… Give these guys time…ROFLMAO.
GTFOH
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
BumpNRun Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
GG Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
DA’s December is Kiffin’s 75 yard FG.
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Problem is, Mark isn’t Al.
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Mark’s been deliberately showing it, wanting RN to see it in him. His post-Saints tirade and how he talked about Gruden and the Raider family. Then he talked about the Immaculate Deception how angry he still is.
He will fire up the projector and it will be great.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Who thinks the next staff brought in will hitch their wagon to Terrell Pryor?
That is a sure-fire way to not get a HC to even interview.
TP is in the tough spot of not being drafted or supported by his current organization.
Losing 17-6 today with TP playing the whole game would do nothing for his job security.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
He threw the ball out of bounds on with the game on the line…Leinart look scared out there…how this staff doesn’t play Pryor is a big “PHUCKYOU” to us nation!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Hey, SLAYER, go back to playing Call of Duty.
I think that noise you listen to has killed the few brain cells you started with. It’s just Hip-Hop for white trash. Not music…
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
outscored 332-161 last ten games…
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
yes – Coach456
no – Plunketthead
yes – Carl Weathers
yes – Oakfshow
yes – The Big Banana
no – Seymour Bush
yes – Kiwi_Blade
yes – Big Pep
no – RaiderRockStar
yes – dDwight
no – Lefty12
no – J Hill
yes – C2E
no – Silverandblack666
yes – Tuckrulefool
yes – RaiderDanny
undecided – Kell
undecided – Morrilla
55 – 19
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Exactly. The coaches already know what they want to do with Pryor. They don’t feel the future QB of the Raiders is on the team.
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Why not give him a chance? You cannot convince me that the display put on today by Leinart was better than what Houdini can offer. Sorry.
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I know right. It just means that if TP had any success it would be harder for them to justify jettisoning him off the squad.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Congrats to Andrew Luck, RGIII and Andy Dalton for leading their respective teams with dignity in December. Andy and Luck going to playoffs and RGIII looks to be going.
Meanwhile, the raiders with crappy coaching, talentless players and no cap space is getting worse by the minute. Overpaid vets, draft busts littering the roster and a $13Mil QB at 33 yrs old to boot.
What a frickn disaster!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
#61 no point betting on a blog. People who lose bets to me seldom pay up.
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I have never bet you, and have been on both sides of paying up on a blog bet.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
where can I listen to the post game presser online?
I cant wait to hear his explanation.
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it’ll be on NFL Network….
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
DA just said they do not feel that TP is ready to be the backup, until he develops more…..lol
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Gruden is on record saying he wants to learn the Option, incorporate it into his WCO offense, just like Shanahan has done.
He has Pryor on roster to be that guy
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Thec Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Questio Semi’s, how many years does it take for this current org to get to the center of the playoff’s?
The world may never know.
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10 and THEN!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I just got done hearing DAs explanation for not playing Pryor.
Utter bullschitt. Nothing even remotely close to answering the question.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I would love to have Gruden, but I put the odds somewhere between ZERO and falling out of my chair laughing at the notion.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Dennis Allen patting himself on the back for the way he played Pryor. Wow.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
84.OneRaiderNation Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
@69
If you think I didn’t appreciate the sarcasm, it’s you that’s the slow one, not Reggie
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LOL! After I hit submit I said wait a minute… He HAS to know it’s sarcasm!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
WOW DALLAS!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
I’m going with yes…
But it’s not gonna happen. We should go ahead and take that one off the table.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
DA JUST SAID TP IS NOT READY TO BE THE BACKUP…fckin joker
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Thec Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
DA just said they do not feel that TP is ready to be the backup, until he develops more…..lol
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Ya, I wanna hear what makes him think Leinart is so “developed” to earn his playing time.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
#97 if you REALLY think it’s tin foil madness then make it 100 to 1 and I’ll bet you $10
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Madden’s not coming back either….
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
The coaches stuck with Leinart in this one because …
A) They’re really that clueless and don’t realize that playing Leinart accomplishes absolutely nothing.
B) They wouldn’t want Pryor to go in and do well because it would make them look bad for not getting him involved earlier.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Weeden looking decent against Broncos…now stalling out in red zone in a 7-0 Denver game….
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Thec Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
DA just said they do not feel that TP is ready to be the backup, until he develops more…..lol
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Ya, I wanna hear what makes him think Leinart is so “developed” to earn his playing time.
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I am crackin up right now…DA = is the joke teller
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
or…
C0 Pryor still doesn’t understand the playbook and isn’t very good.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
yes – Coach456
no – Plunketthead
yes – Carl Weathers
yes – Oakfshow
yes – The Big Banana
no – Seymour Bush
yes – Kiwi_Blade
yes – Big Pep
no – RaiderRockStar
yes – dDwight
no – Lefty12
no – J Hill
yes – C2E
no – Silverandblack666
yes – Tuckrulefool
yes – RaiderDanny
yes – Stablersbeard
undecided – Kell
undecided – Morrilla
56 – 19
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Dallas tied N.O . 31-31
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
@105
LOL!…It’s all good, bro (fist bump).
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Da is the fkin joker….I am listening to his presser priceless…Even Flores is laughin
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
DA is taking our Raiders right from under our noses. I call for Mutiny! I will not stand for this BS! Cancel my season tix, I’m done!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Someone said it earlier and I agree, I hope TP6 gets cut and goes on to have a great career for another team jsut to spite this staff.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
DA the comedian agent
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
or…
C0 Pryor still doesn’t understand the playbook and isn’t very good.
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might as well start Pryor next week…
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Wow, DA obviously does not care. No emotion….sounded like a coach who just coached a preseason game.
He is a loser.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Someone said it earlier and I agree, I hope TP6 gets cut and goes on to have a great career for another team jsut to spite this staff.
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Ya. Im on board with this.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Thec Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Da is the fkin joker….I am listening to his presser priceless…Even Flores is laughin
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Even Raider payroll is laughing at this clown. Fix this schit, Mark!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:24 pm
DA…
“that was an explosive offense we played…
weve got to score more points…
we didnt have enough players that stepped up
pryor is not ready needs to develop more as a qb
we got to do better on 3rd and 1
were trying to change the culture…
didnt see what happened when cam bumoed the ref…my understanding is that it is an automatic ejection…”
this fvckin hmo wants them ti take the kicks and punches..and not do anything back…
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:24 pm
liono will be the backup next week.
TP should have been cut during Pre Sea
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:24 pm
DA just said that TP isnt ready to be a backup yet.
So I guess that means Lechler will be our #2 next week.
I wouldnt put it past them.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
If, IF Gruden threw his hat back in the ring I would be all for it.
I’m not betting on it though.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Glad to see the Stealers lose.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Thec Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
DA JUST SAID TP IS NOT READY TO BE THE BACKUP…fckin joker
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His dam back up is not ready to be the back up…DA is making it harder by the week to support him…SMFH
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
The Bay Area sports media has to be one of the weakest in the nation. They never call DA out on his stupidity and ignorance. They never demand clear answers from Spots. Nobody cares about Mark Davis and the immaculate reception game. Ask the guy about hiring a decent coach. Ask why he wanted Hue fired, ask tough questions.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
win,lose,or draw it does not matter!!! Some say D.Allen is intitled to another season and Reggie is golden. What are the Raiders now with these new guys? Not close to anything good I can tell you that!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
The coaches stuck with Leinart in this one because …
A) They’re really that clueless and don’t realize that playing Leinart accomplishes absolutely nothing.
B) They wouldn’t want Pryor to go in and do well because it would make them look bad for not getting him involved earlier.
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C) Didnt have enough snaps for Pryor and his skill set is built for a read option type deal that Knapp wants NOTHING to do with. If you look Kaepernick was able to have the offense tailored slightly to his skill set. Knapp’s offense too conservative, too inflexible and the offense is predictable and horrific. Davis has GOT to see whats really going on.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
You guys be safe, enjoy the day, and time off.
1 N
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
YES. Lightning striking twice is more likely to happen than this Coaching staff striking the first fvcking time.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I cant wait for the news story to break that Mark attacks DA on the flight home.
“After a extended visit to the bathroom, Mark Davis comes flying out with some chalky substance around his nose and just grabs DA by the neck.
Players jumped in, but not to DA’s defense. In fact, they were the ones holding back Reggie from breaking up the scuffle”
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Wow, DA obviously does not care. No emotion….sounded like a coach who just coached a preseason game.
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Or maybe he was trying “not to win” liked you wanted and is emotionless about it?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
need to drink tonight…glad have the day off tomorrow!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
2romes Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
win,lose,or draw it does not matter!!! Some say D.Allen is intitled to another season and Reggie is golden. What are the Raiders now with these new guys? Not close to anything good I can tell you that!!
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Hoping the “fan” in Mark Davis says you guys are out next year … the thing is, they’re under contract. They need to find a big time rookie in 2013 to save this regime
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Where do you find the Romo & Neal after game comments?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
We had the talent to be a good team. Staff abused it inappropiately. Players got a big heapin wang stuffed up their bahoola and the coaches tell us to be patient? These coaches is messed up. knapp is a spin master.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Congrats to HUE JACKSON on coaching into the playoffs with the Bengals.
Jackson, who Marvin Lewis basically described and praised as an assistant head coach a few weeks ago, has also helped coach the secondary and it has become one of the Bengals have become one of the better pass defense teams in the league and consistently improved since the beginning of the season. They also scored the Bengals’ lone TD in their HUGE victory today.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
or…
C0 Pryor still doesn’t understand the playbook and isn’t very good.
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might as well start Pryor next week…
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That has been the big knock on him. People say he’s a dumb guy.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
comcast sportsnet bay area…i think itsa local channel
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Sometimes it seems like the problem on offense is more about the play calling than Knapp’s actual system.
How about if Al Sanders calls the plays for the last game Dennis?
Failing that, let Snake do it from that bar in Alabama.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
I thought everyone wanted to lose for draft position?
I would figure there would be some jubiliation in here.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
“RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
or…
C0 Pryor still doesn’t understand the playbook and isn’t very good.
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might as well start Pryor next week…
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I agree. A lot of people suspect they know what he’s got.
I’d like to see the kid play. Put all the BS to rest. Get it over with.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Wow, DA obviously does not care. No emotion….sounded like a coach who just coached a preseason game.
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Or maybe he was trying “not to win” liked you wanted and is emotionless about it?
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Well, then he did a fine job! Unfortunately, I think he is giving it his best shot…..which is pathetic.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
DA is full of CRAP. Wow this guy needs to be FIRED ASAP. Get him out of here Mark.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:30 pm
I’ve been patient with Allen (but not with Knapp) all year. I can’t do it anymore. Allen has no creativity. I HATE firing another coach, but Allen blew it. He doesn’t seserve another shot.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:30 pm
What’s the over/under on trading DMAC for a couple lower round draft picks??
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Romo just said Teblow is a better passer than Pryor.
OUCH
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:30 pm
DA is gonna go meet reggie in the bathroom…
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
We had the talent to be good at the beginning of the season. But it was clear in pre-season knapp was hell bent on crushing this offense.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
The hold on Wiz was the game-changer.
Need to move him back to G, he is overmatched as a Center.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
all y’all welcome to come on board with the firereggie fire DA train…
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
How many would take Hue as GM/HC/OC over this crap?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That’s the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen you make on here Carl.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
I thought everyone wanted to lose for draft position?
I would figure there would be some jubiliation in here.
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And to see the coaching staff go, rather than have them compile a few meaningless wins at the end of the year. Of course, they did not disappoint.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
thought the knapp play calling was at an all time best today. the pitch to dmac with no blockers and 2 men to beat on 3rd and 1 was a stroke of brillance. only to be outdone when knapp called 3 screens in a row which took us out of fg range
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Sometimes it seems like the problem on offense is more about the play calling than Knapp’s actual system.
How about if Al Sanders calls the plays for the last game Dennis?
Failing that, let Snake do it from that bar in Alabama.
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a combination of play calling and actual system – then turnovers causing them to be behind early and risking palmer…
need some big time players next year – but Knapp toxic system will completely turn away any decent FAs
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
romo…”the coaches havent been good enough…from the top…mark, reggie….”
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
The hold on Wiz was the game-changer.
Need to move him back to G, he is overmatched as a Center.
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What,a dumbass comment
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Romo is the biggest Tebow supported not named Skip Bayless.
All last year he went on The Herd and blew smoke up Tebow’s azz, week after week.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
The hold on Wiz was the game-changer.
Need to move him back to G, he is overmatched as a Center.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I’ve been saying this for a fuk’n year!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:30 pm
DA is gonna go meet reggie in the bathroom…
_______________________
LOL. With the way they’re sticking with this Coaching staff, I’m guessing DA’s on his knees quite a bit this season.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I cant wait for the news story to break that Mark attacks DA on the flight home.
“After a extended visit to the bathroom, Mark Davis comes flying out with some chalky substance around his nose and just grabs DA by the neck.
Players jumped in, but not to DA’s defense. In fact, they were the ones holding back Reggie from breaking up the scuffle”
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STFU You DA Knapp schlong slider, youve been on their nuts all season!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Their not playing TP, even if CP3 can’t go. TP outplayed Leinert in the preseason. 7 sucks. Always has.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
How many would take Hue as GM/HC/OC over this crap?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That’s the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen you make on here Carl.
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Which team is going to the playoffs and which team has double digit losses for the third time in 7 years?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
1 more week to go and then we will finally find out the future of this team…
I hope that Reggie is decisive and acts quickly.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
romo…”the coaches havent been good enough…from the top…mark, reggie….”
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He also said Tebow would be a good fit, here.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
How many would take Hue as GM/HC/OC over this crap?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That’s the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen you make on here Carl.
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ABSO-FUKING-LUTELY I would.
WTF has Chubby Checker done to earn any credit?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
if pryor sucks..prove it..we know leinart does
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
Knapp field Goals! Field Goals ? BYE ….
I”LL BE HOME FOR CHRISTMAS, SECOND TIME AROUND!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
romo…” you need a shut down corner!”
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
How many would take Hue as GM/HC/OC over this crap?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That’s the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen you make on here Carl.
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That’s not a dumb comment. Raiders would be making a playoff run right now with Hue still here instead of being 4-11.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
1 more week to go and then we will finally find out the future of this team…
I hope that Reggie is decisive and acts quickly.
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reggie is slow and yet to prove he is intelligent
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
The hold on Wiz was the game-changer.
Need to move him back to G, he is overmatched as a Center.
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He would still be at guard if Hue was still here.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
1 more week to go and then we will finally find out the future of this team…
I hope that Reggie is decisive and acts quickly.
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Hope Mark will act even more decisively.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
The hold on Wiz was the game-changer.
Need to move him back to G, he is overmatched as a Center.
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I’ve been saying this for a fuk’n year!
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It was one play. The offense was atrocious all game. No way is that one play considered a game changer.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
“if pryor does good great you know what you have…if not it dont hurt you…draft pick is still there..”—romo
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
4-11…..too bad we were able to play KC twice…..otherwise we would have the #1 pick!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Complain all you want about the cerebral element of our offense.
The fact of the matter is our Oline gets beaten too often by good front sevens.
It dramatically limits our play selection and as you can see, can get your QB killed.
Not having Palmer demonstrates how good a job he does given relatively limited help. I would like to see more of TP but he obviously has massive holes in his game RELATIVE TO THE SUPPORT HE GETS FORM HIS LINE AGAINST GOOD COMPETITION!!!!!!!!
I still think infusing Dline help makes us competitive more quickly and I still go with our first two picks being a DT and a DE.
In 2014 is when we add talent to the Oline. That is when we will also play meaningful December football.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
How many would take Hue as GM/HC/OC over this crap?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That’s the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen you make on here Carl.
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Which team is going to the playoffs and which team has double digit losses for the third time in 7 years?
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What does that have to do with Hue Toenails Jackson?
Hue can get fuk’n lost.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
If we kept Hue:
DMAC 1400 yds
Palmer 28tds, 13 ints
No hands Bey would be approaching 1000
Raiders would be in it for a wild card
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Many, many QB’s never get the “chance” to prove they aren’t good.
Anyone remember Gino Carmazzi for SF?
3rd round pick, never threw an NFL pass, waived after 2 years.
Sounds about what we will see with TP.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Here’s to another beat down next week.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
How hard could it be to run this junk Greg Knapp offense
Pryor might move the ball. At least he’d give the defense something else to think about bsides dumpoffs and stretch running plays.
Play Pryor you dingbat!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
“will to win means nothing without the will to prepare…” neal on leinhart comment of preparing to start next week…”what has he been doing all season?”
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Should have kept HUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
“if pryor does good great you know what you have
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He can’t possibly do any worse than Leinart.
Who throws the ball away on your last play of the game?!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
I don’t think Mark will fire Reggie after one year, and I don’t think Reggie will fire DA after only one year, although DA is not a good coach.
The best we can hope for is to get new coordinators and assistant coaches, and hope for the best.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Many, many QB’s never get the “chance” to prove they aren’t good.
Anyone remember Gino Carmazzi for SF?
3rd round pick, never threw an NFL pass, waived after 2 years.
Sounds about what we will see with TP.
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Another dumbass comment
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
No way is that one play considered a game changer.
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If the score counts, we have a 2 point conversion to be within a FG and the whole rest of the game is different.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
charlie does a zbs lead to a passive attitude about blocking?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Complain all you want about the cerebral element of our offense.
The fact of the matter is our Oline gets beaten too often by good front sevens.
It dramatically limits our play selection and as you can see, can get your QB killed.
Not having Palmer demonstrates how good a job he does given relatively limited help. I would like to see more of TP but he obviously has massive holes in his game RELATIVE TO THE SUPPORT HE GETS FORM HIS LINE AGAINST GOOD COMPETITION!!!!!!!!
I still think infusing Dline help makes us competitive more quickly and I still go with our first two picks being a DT and a DE.
In 2014 is when we add talent to the Oline. That is when we will also play meaningful December football.
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oline was one of our strenghs last year. knapp called 3 screens in a row. maybe in pop warner you get away with that.not in the nfl. hes the worst
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
And the Raiders officially f’d my four-way 90-1 underdogs winning outright parlay with Vikings, Saints and Bengals all winning today.
Thanks Knapp and DA. You fukfaces.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Another dumbass comment
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ACtually it wasn’t a comment, it was a fact.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm
RAIDER (SINCE 1967)★
REGGIE WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR !!
No Read the Blogs for You.
Dude I want to PLAY the LAST GAME Without an
OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR !!
MAYBE –AL SAUNDER ONLY !
I’LL BE HOME FOR CHRISTMAS !!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Between 3 and outs, camera caught Leinert sitting on the bench by himself, just staring cross eyed at nothing. Now is that good coaching, or just great will to win…
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
No way is that one play considered a game changer.
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If the score counts, we have a 2 point conversion to be within a FG and the whole rest of the game is different.
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Another dumbass comment
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm
It’s crazy how bad this “GM” and coaching staff has handled this season. This not playing TP crap is just icing on the cake.
Somebody needs to be fired. This is nonsense.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm
This is a weird feeling. At least with al we knew he wanted to win.
I’m doubting Reggie wants to win. He’s either tanking the season or just flat too stupid to understand he has destroyed anything positive.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
174.Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
How many would take Hue as GM/HC/OC over this crap?
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That’s the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen you make on here Carl.
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ABSO-FUKING-LUTELY I would.
WTF has Chubby Checker done to earn any credit?
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Chris gets it. Hue won games, showed passion and had mad respect for coach Davis. This staff and Reggie have done the exact opposite.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Many, many QB’s never get the “chance” to prove they aren’t good.
Anyone remember Gino Carmazzi for SF?
3rd round pick, never threw an NFL pass, waived after 2 years.
Sounds about what we will see with TP.
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Didn’t he go in and stink up the joint?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
The only thing softer than the Raiders’ play this season has been the beat reporters’ treatment of the new regime.
Don’t expect anyone to be held accountable by this bunch of loafs.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
TP just got interviewed. He is not happy.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
If the backup was someone with a credible future, then by all means.
But to NOT play Pryor for a guy like Leinart defies common sense.
Totally unacceptable!
Fans going to SD game need to send a vocal message to this tone deaf coaching staff and GM
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Oline has to be addressed this offseason, Carson wont make it through next season with this oline. Olinemen is one of the few positions were rookies make an impact from day 1.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
24 unrestricted free agents going into 2013. Should be a different team next season.
Hopefully that means wins, because I can’t watch this schit anymore.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Mike Kafka 2010 4th round pick, never started a game, out of the league.
Many guys don’t get the chance.
I wish Pryor would, but it is not some vast conspiracy if he doesn’t.
Happens all the time.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:43 pm
pryor is pissed…” i do what im asked to do…im just a player….im not sure how much im gonna play…upset we lost..im not the coach…not in a place to talk….”
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:43 pm
TP sounds and looks pissed
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:43 pm
reggie needs to be held accountable
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
The hold on Wiz was the game-changer.
Need to move him back to G, he is overmatched as a Center.
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I’ve been saying this for a fuk’n year!
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It was one play. The offense was atrocious all game. No way is that one play considered a game changer.
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I’m not talking about one play Chris.
Little Wiz is too little and doesn’t have the necessary strength.
We should have kept Satelle until we had someone better to play center and Wiz was great as LG. We also had something good going with the combination of Wiz and Veldheer playing on the left side.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
neal…”he got a bad deal…”
romo…”i know he was like i could have helped this team win…”
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Many, many QB’s never get the “chance” to prove they aren’t good.
Anyone remember Gino Carmazzi for SF?
3rd round pick, never threw an NFL pass, waived after 2 years.
Sounds about what we will see with TP.
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Another dumbass comment
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OK, genius
Any answers , besides dissing people?
a little solidarity, “Raider Fan”
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
BumpNRun Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
24 unrestricted free agents going into 2013. Should be a different team next season.
Hopefully that means wins, because I can’t watch this schit anymore.\
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we had 27 new players this year. reggie just brought in the wrong guys
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Reggie and DA have not shown much of anything positive this year. Of course they should get better next year because they will be 4-12.If 8-8 was so easy where is it this year!!!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
PRYOR WILL GET 3 PLAYS IN SAN DIEGO,..AND THATS THREE TOO MANY. PLAY LEINERT ALL GAME, PLAY GOODY ALL GAME…GET HAGAN IN THE GAME MORE. I LIKE THE COACHING STAFF. THEY NEED A FEW MORE YEARS. 666
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Let’s be honest. Oline has protected CP3 pretty well till today. Consider how many attempts he’s had when the defense knows he has to throw, and they’ve only allowed 30 sacks? This Oline sucks at knapps crappy run game.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Didn’t he go in and stink up the joint?
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Never threw an NFL pass
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
neal…is pissed too at DA…lienhart and pryor two different attitudes. lienhert was cool with it…pryor was pissed!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
DA “down the stretch” anyone?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
And don’t let Reggie slip out the back door on this accountability issue!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
The hold on Wiz was the game-changer.
Need to move him back to G, he is overmatched as a Center.
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I’ve been saying this for a fuk’n year!
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It was one play. The offense was atrocious all game. No way is that one play considered a game changer.
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I’m not talking about one play Chris.
Little Wiz is too little and doesn’t have the necessary strength.
We should have kept Satelle until we had someone better to play center and Wiz was great as LG. We also had something good going with the combination of Wiz and Veldheer playing on the left side.
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I can agree with that for the most part. Not sure Wiz can’t hold up at C, but they definitely should’ve kept Satele.
Veldheer and Wiz are the only two linemen who should return in 2013, at least as starters. If Satele were still here we would have three guys to build around.
Reggie’s biggest signing, Brisiel, has been an outright bust.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
ColoradoRaiderFan Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Let’s be honest. Oline has protected CP3 pretty well till today. Consider how many attempts he’s had when the defense knows he has to throw, and they’ve only allowed 30 sacks? This Oline sucks at knapps crappy run game.
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Play calling is worse then the actual scheme. A lot of people are going to want out next year if Knapp is still here.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm
2012 the year of the excuse , 2013 there are none
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm
he will bring in 24 scrubs
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm
when have you seen 3 screens in a row
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Of those 24 scrubs, 13 will have been cut from Green Bay
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Time for the overhead projector Mark. Give us the Christmas present we’ve all been asking for – Knapp’s head on a platter. If you want to include other assistants & the HC, that’s OK too! If you want to include Reggie just call it a trifecta and start over again.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Many, many QB’s never get the “chance” to prove they aren’t good.
Anyone remember Gino Carmazzi for SF?
3rd round pick, never threw an NFL pass, waived after 2 years.
Sounds about what we will see with TP.
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Another dumbass comment
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OK, genius
Any answers , besides dissing people?
a little solidarity, “Raider Fan”
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Solidarity? With who? Fk you.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
neal…is pissed too at DA…lienhart and pryor two different attitudes. lienhert was cool with it…pryor was pissed!
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At least Pryor is showing something….
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
KoolKell loves to bring up our 2010 #5 “Ranked” O-line, based solely off sacks allowed.
Well, with no sacks today, we might be in the top 5 again this season!!!!! (#8 coming into today).
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
8-10 stretch sweeps doesnt get a yard…
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
And the Raiders officially f’d my four-way 90-1 underdogs winning outright parlay with Vikings, Saints and Bengals all winning today.
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LOL.
OK, well…that pretty much sounds like you fuk’d yourself.
I shouldn’t talk because I had money on the Jets.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm
when have you seen 3 screens in a row
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At the patio store or Home Depot.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I will not watch this team if Knapp is back here next season.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
(with apologies to our defense, who played their hearts out today)
THE AUTUMN WIND IS A PIRATE (Part 2)
The autumn wind is a pirate
Whose ship has run aground
With rotten sails
No one to bail
And the captain can’t be found
The oaken floor are creaking
The mast is filled with holes
The powders wet
She’s in Neptune’s net
On her way to the ocean floor
Otto gave his kneecaps
Marcus ran in the night
But all that’s left
Of the golden ship
Are memories and sighs
No one comes to help us
We’re pirates, after all
So hold your nose
As the water flows
Across our wretched bow
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
15 games , 1 first quarter TD, has to be a record. Are you sure TP6 is the only one who doesnt know the plays
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I think Leinart playing was the best thing to happen after Palmer went out. Leinart knows Knapp’s offense way better than Pryor and has been in it longer than Palmer. This begs the question: What is Knapp’s offense?
It’s like Bigfoot.
There is no way Knapp comes back. Better days ahead Nation. Knapp has 7 more days as a Raider.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:50 pm
If Mark needs to go on a Colombian Marching Powder binge to man up and fire these clowns then he should just grab a mirror and a straw and go to town until he’s ready to tell everyone to pack up and get out.
In all seriousness, I partially suspect this is what happened when he decided to fire Hue.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Cincy sure got over on the Raiders. Got two top picks and two great young playahs in Dalton and Green and two consecutive yrs in the playoffs.
Raiders? Burdened with a big QB vet contract with a team that is NOWHERE close to winning anytime in the forseeable future. And no draft Ppicks!
Raiders? Go from an AWFUL coach in Hue Jackson to a FREEKN AWFUL coach in DA and Knapp.
Being a Raider fan is hard
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I think Leinart playing was the best thing to happen after Palmer went out. Leinart knows Knapp’s offense way better than Pryor and has been in it longer than Palmer. This begs the question: What is Knapp’s offense?
It’s like Bigfoot.
There is no way Knapp comes back. Better days ahead Nation. Knapp has 7 more days as a Raider.
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and if reggie rehires knapp?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm
3rd to 9th position in the draft order,
3rd place in the division locked up.
Mark order Reggie to order Allen to fire Knapp; if he refuses, fire him for insubordination and relieve yourself of the contract.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I will not watch this team if Knapp is back here next season.
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If he’s back next year the fans really need to step up. The only way we can make an impact is to not go to the games our buy merchandise. It seems wrong, but it will benefit the team.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
When your offense sucks, your qb is hurt, who’s better to go in? The tard that knows the offense but can’t execute, or the guy who supposedly doesn’t know, but wants to win and can make things happen with his feet. How can they be so ignorant about each players abilities?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Many, many QB’s never get the “chance” to prove they aren’t good.
Anyone remember Gino Carmazzi for SF?
3rd round pick, never threw an NFL pass, waived after 2 years.
Sounds about what we will see with TP.
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Another dumbass comment
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OK, genius
Any answers , besides dissing people?
a little solidarity, “Raider Fan”
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Solidarity? With who? Fk you.
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That all you got, son? Hilarious.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Guys;
We got absolutely pummelled down the stretch last year.
Remember the Packer game??? No offense at all!!!!!!!
Remember the Dolphin game??? No offense at all!!!!
Remember the Charger game????? No offense when it counted!!!!!!!!
Remember the Lions game??????? Could not run out the clock on offense and the defense imploded!!!!!!
It is not the coaches or the scheme. It is a lack of talent!!!!
The draft is the only solution. 2014 we may start to compete.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
And the Raiders officially f’d my four-way 90-1 underdogs winning outright parlay with Vikings, Saints and Bengals all winning today.
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LOL.
OK, well…that pretty much sounds like you fuk’d yourself.
I shouldn’t talk because I had money on the Jets.
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Well, it was only 90-1 because they were all dogs. The other three dogs beat the No. 1 seed in the AFC and two teams fighting for their playoff lives. Raiders couldn’t even cover the 8.5 spread, let alone win, against one of the five or six worst teams in the league.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Youngest HC’s in history:
Jon Gruden
Dennis Allen
See a pattern here?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I think Leinart playing was the best thing to happen after Palmer went out. Leinart knows Knapp’s offense way better than Pryor and has been in it longer than Palmer. This begs the question: What is Knapp’s offense?
It’s like Bigfoot.
There is no way Knapp comes back. Better days ahead Nation. Knapp has 7 more days as a Raider.
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and if reggie rehires knapp?
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I think McKenzie/Allen/Davis inexperience had Knapp taking advantage of them, and the lack of picks gave them all excuses.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
didnt reggie say he needed to see pryor play,,guess DA was trying on bras during reggies press conference and didnt hear it
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
nah i remeber today this season 4-12…fvck this staff.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
nycraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm
when have you seen 3 screens in a row
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When playing my little cousin in Madden. He didnt know how to switch screens to pick another play. He was 8 and had never played Madden before.
Whats Knapps excuse?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Youngest HC’s in history:
Jon Gruden
Dennis Allen
See a pattern here?
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other than one having a ring, national media, and turning a franchise around
no, i see no pattern.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
What is all the Hue Jackson talk? I mean he was an upgrade from Cable, but he lost his job all by himself. Finishing a season 1-4 and his ambition ended his chances of keeping his job.
Make the playoffs last year, in a year when every team in the division stunk, then you keep your job. He couldn’t get it done.
DAs performance has nothing to ddo with Hue. The fact is that DA flat out sucks as a head coach…..his team is entirely unprepared week in and week out.
Hue has nothing to do with the fact that we still have not replaced Gruden with a decent HC.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:55 pm
wishing upon a draft…pathetic…not 1 pick is gonna change the outcome more than a change of staff…
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Guys;
We got absolutely pummelled down the stretch last year.
Remember the Packer game??? No offense at all!!!!!!!
Remember the Dolphin game??? No offense at all!!!!
Remember the Charger game????? No offense when it counted!!!!!!!!
Remember the Lions game??????? Could not run out the clock on offense and the defense imploded!!!!!!
It is not the coaches or the scheme. It is a lack of talent!!!!
The draft is the only solution. 2014 we may start to compete.
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did the players call the 3 screens in a row
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Guys;
We got absolutely pummelled down the stretch last year.
Remember the Packer game??? No offense at all!!!!!!!
Remember the Dolphin game??? No offense at all!!!!
Remember the Charger game????? No offense when it counted!!!!!!!!
Remember the Lions game??????? Could not run out the clock on offense and the defense imploded!!!!!!
It is not the coaches or the scheme. It is a lack of talent!!!!
The draft is the only solution. 2014 we may start to compete.
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It is the coaches, it is the scheme/play calling, in particular and it is a lack of talent. Its also inexperience of the staff…they cannot miss on this upcoming draft.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Youngest HC’s in history:
Jon Gruden
Dennis Allen
See a pattern here?
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other than one having a ring, national media, and turning a franchise around
no, i see no pattern.
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Of course you wouldnt
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Guys;
We got absolutely pummelled down the stretch last year.
Remember the Packer game??? No offense at all!!!!!!!
Remember the Dolphin game??? No offense at all!!!!
Remember the Charger game????? No offense when it counted!!!!!!!!
Remember the Lions game??????? Could not run out the clock on offense and the defense imploded!!!!!!
It is not the coaches or the scheme. It is a lack of talent!!!!
The draft is the only solution. 2014 we may start to compete.
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did the players call the 3 screens in a row
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Could you believe that ish?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Youngest HC’s in history:
Jon Gruden
Dennis Allen
See a pattern here?
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Knapp isn’t among the youngest coaches in history.
I believe Madden, Mangini, Tomlin, that dude from Tampa, McDaniels, and several others were younger than Allen.
And two of those guys I listed were black, if that’s what you’re getting at.
Not sure if you’re the real or fake KK though. So whatever.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
174.Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
How many would take Hue as GM/HC/OC over this crap?
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That’s the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen you make on here Carl.
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ABSO-FUKING-LUTELY I would.
WTF has Chubby Checker done to earn any credit?
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Chris gets it. Hue won games, showed passion and had mad respect for coach Davis. This staff and Reggie have done the exact opposite.
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Hey brother Raider.
I read your comments.
You often make sense but you didn’t make sense with that one.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
REGGIE -are you Watching the Game or Doing Gift Wrapping !!!
C’mon Man -BLOODLESS, LIFELESS . Can we Donate Blood to The Offense !!!
-AL SAUNDER + PRYOR = WIN !!!
LAST GAME REGGIE !!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
I meant Allen isn’t among the youngest … not Knapp.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Youngest HC’s in history:
Jon Gruden
Dennis Allen
See a pattern here?
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other than one having a ring, national media, and turning a franchise around
no, i see no pattern.
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Of course you wouldnt
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Genius, you left out Kiffin. If you make a point, include all the coaches that create the “pattern”, thus giving you more credibility.
FAIL
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Can anyone tell me a site where i can watch the post game interviews??
thanks
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
What is all the Hue Jackson talk? I mean he was an upgrade from Cable, but he lost his job all by himself. Finishing a season 1-4 and his ambition ended his chances of keeping his job.
Make the playoffs last year, in a year when every team in the division stunk, then you keep your job. He couldn’t get it done.
DAs performance has nothing to ddo with Hue. The fact is that DA flat out sucks as a head coach…..his team is entirely unprepared week in and week out.
Hue has nothing to do with the fact that we still have not replaced Gruden with a decent HC.
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Hues season is used as a baseline on where we were at. It proves how bad this year is. Reggie and his brilliant decisions have us at an embarrassment. Either Reggie had destroyed the team or hue was a genius.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:58 pm
host…raiders lose merry christmas everybody.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:59 pm
I don’t know how bad DA really is as coach. I know this team sucks because of the offensive scheme and the piss poor personnel decisions.
And I’m tired of every announcing team saying Reg had difficult salary cap issues to deal with. That’s crap. They dumped 3 bloated contracts, problem solved.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Leinart is pretty bad. Palmer could be out. Looks like maybe Pryor really could get the start next week.
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
I meant Allen isn’t among the youngest … not Knapp.
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I never trusted the guy, because he was angling for the head coaching job after he was run off by Cable and Cable was later fired – Who petitions for a job after being ineffective and getting run out of Seattle, Atlanta, etc.?
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Of course I forgot Lane Kiffin.
The Good ole boys network
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
da is 4-12 bad.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
For those that insist on additional coaching/managerial changes after less than one season (many of you seem to want to make a change after a failed third down attempt):
There is not a successful coach in the history of football that did not have superior talent. End of discussion. If you do not agree with that statement you might as well stop reading.
The following are FACTS. You can ignore them or perhaps use the information gain insight into what we are going through as an organization. Each of these examples involves either an expansion franchise or an organization with a LONG HISTORY OF FUTILITY. Like it or not we fall into the latter category.
Tom Landry First season 0-11 first SIX seasons 16-53-3
Chuck Noll First season 1-13 first THREE seasons 12-30
Bill Walsh First season 2-14 first TWO seasons 8-24
Jimmy Johnson First season 1-15 first TWO seasons 8-24
Bill Parcells First season 3-12-1 first two seasons 12-19-1 with the Giants
Bill Parcells First season 5-11 first three seasons 21-27 with the Patriots
In an interesting comparison I offer the following:
George Seifert 98-30 with the Niners 16-32 with the Panthers
Tom Flores 83-53 with the Raiders 14-34 with the Seahawks
AMPLE EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT ON FILED TALENT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES!!!!!!
These were all deemed to be very successful coaches yet ALL OF THEM SUFFERED HORRIBLE SEASONS UNTIL THE TALENT ARRIVED. IT ALSO SHOWS THAT PROVEN WINNERS FAIL MISERABLY WITHOUT ENOUGH ON FIELD TALENT.
I am afraid many of you on this blog think it is normal to make coaching changes the moment a bit of adversity comes along. IT IS NOT NORMAL NOR IS IT CONDUCIVE TO WINNING FOOTBALL.
The Raiders were the most dysfunctional organization in professional sports for the past decade. The entire culture, scouting department and compensation system needed to be overhauled.
You can opine away about how Mark Davis is unhappy. The simple fact is that he gave 4 year contracts to Reggie and Allen because he knew this was a massive undertaking that would not get fixed in less than four years. No quick fix when being way over the cap in year one and not having three of your four top picks in your first two drafts. 3-5 years of hard work. DEAL WITH IT!
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Rudegruden Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I will not watch this team if Knapp is back here next season.
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If he’s back next year the fans really need to step up. The only way we can make an impact is to not go to the games our buy merchandise. It seems wrong, but it will benefit the team
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if Knapp comes back, im not watching a game next yr
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Defense played well. DMc back to sucking. Our golden haired hero would have won this game. Possibly the worst officiating ever.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Rudegruden Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
What is all the Hue Jackson talk? I mean he was an upgrade from Cable, but he lost his job all by himself. Finishing a season 1-4 and his ambition ended his chances of keeping his job.
Make the playoffs last year, in a year when every team in the division stunk, then you keep your job. He couldn’t get it done.
DAs performance has nothing to ddo with Hue. The fact is that DA flat out sucks as a head coach…..his team is entirely unprepared week in and week out.
Hue has nothing to do with the fact that we still have not replaced Gruden with a decent HC.
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Hues season is used as a baseline on where we were at. It proves how bad this year is. Reggie and his brilliant decisions have us at an embarrassment. Either Reggie had destroyed the team or hue was a genius.
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Combination of both, and bad contracts carried over to a new regime. A little humility and patience was needed, but the contracts were too out of whack. It’ll be interesting to see what assistants “get out of dodge” to go to other teams.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Charlie, you sir are a blind naive fool.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
GREG KNAPP MUST GO. I’VE BEEN SAYING THAT SINCE HE WAS HIRED. I WAS RIGHT THEN & AM STILL RIGHT. HE HAS SINGLE-HANDEDLY DESTROYED OUR ENTIRE OFFENSE. IT WILL TAKE T LEAST 2-3 YEARS TO RECOVER FROM KNAPP. NO MAS KNAPP!
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
One bright spot is the rushing defense is improving every week
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
agreed we need talent. we had some but reggie shipped it out…what makes you think he can bring more in?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
What is all the Hue Jackson talk? I mean he was an upgrade from Cable, but he lost his job all by himself. Finishing a season 1-4 and his ambition ended his chances of keeping his job.
Make the playoffs last year, in a year when every team in the division stunk, then you keep your job. He couldn’t get it done.
DAs performance has nothing to ddo with Hue. The fact is that DA flat out sucks as a head coach…..his team is entirely unprepared week in and week out.
Hue has nothing to do with the fact that we still have not replaced Gruden with a decent HC.
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Hue had one year as HC with a helluva lot more adversity than DA has faced and got us into a first-place tie in the division and within a play of making the playoffs for the first time in a decade.
Allen has us on course for a 4-12, mostly non-competitive season.
If the Chiefs weren’t so TERRIBLE, we’d be about two plays away from 0-15 now with the OT wins at home against Pitt and the Jags (who lost MJD and their starting QB early in that game).
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:02 pm
4th down and last chance to move the ball for the rest of the game. Leinart throws the ball away. Balless play. Nobody given a chance to make a play
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Turf toe Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
(with apologies to our defense, who played their hearts out today)
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They did didn’t they?
That penalty on Tommy Kelly was a load of crap since Cam-who makes McClaine look like an adult-was doing his kicking thing again.
That penalty on Burris was also a load of crap.
Burris by the by is playing some football.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:02 pm
How does that get a Head .coaching Job?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Allen_(American_football)
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:04 pm
CHARLIE,CAN all the down the stretch last year stuff.The Raiders will be mess once they get the new draft picks with this line up of coaches. Have you been watching the games. This team cannot generation offense if they Brady and both Mannings and a combo of their offenses together.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:04 pm
We played well back east against a very good team who recently beat the Saints and the boys and falcons.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:04 pm
I listened to the game online and it was quite obvious that Tom Flores & Greg Pappa were tired of our OC Knapp’s play calling. I think Knapp is finished after today’s play calling job.
Defense played well though. Ref’s were very very poor.
Please play better next week and beat the Dischargers but if Palmer is out injured I think we’ll struggle.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
For those that insist on additional coaching/managerial changes after less than one season (many of you seem to want to make a change after a failed third down attempt):
There is not a successful coach in the history of football that did not have superior talent. End of discussion. If you do not agree with that statement you might as well stop reading.
The following are FACTS. You can ignore them or perhaps use the information gain insight into what we are going through as an organization. Each of these examples involves either an expansion franchise or an organization with a LONG HISTORY OF FUTILITY. Like it or not we fall into the latter category.
Tom Landry First season 0-11 first SIX seasons 16-53-3
Chuck Noll First season 1-13 first THREE seasons 12-30
Bill Walsh First season 2-14 first TWO seasons 8-24
Jimmy Johnson First season 1-15 first TWO seasons 8-24
Bill Parcells First season 3-12-1 first two seasons 12-19-1 with the Giants
Bill Parcells First season 5-11 first three seasons 21-27 with the Patriots
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Those teams were all either expansion teams or TERRIBLE the season before those coaches took over. None were 8-8 or better the prior year. None were 16-16 over the prior two years. And most of the references pre-date the modern era in which teams can indeed turn it around in a year.
Sorry, but sell this line somewhere else. It’s already been debunked here.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Landry, Noll, Walsh, they all took over epically bad teams. Not a team that was finally getting better.
I would rather have stability in our staff. Tarver and DA should stay. Knapp should never coach anything again. Reg should be on a leash next year.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
AMPLE EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT ON FILED TALENT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES!!!!!!
These were all deemed to be very successful coaches yet ALL OF THEM SUFFERED HORRIBLE SEASONS UNTIL THE TALENT ARRIVED. IT ALSO SHOWS THAT PROVEN WINNERS FAIL MISERABLY WITHOUT ENOUGH ON FIELD TALENT.
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Talent not the same as those days….there were less juniors coming out, and more complete players because teams didnt fire as quickly as today. A lot more busts, because teams need to win sooner and they cant keep veteran talent due to the cap.
Proven winners also have great talent and scheme that lifts everyone around them – Brady went out, back up Matt Cassel went in and Pats went 11-5.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
What is all the Hue Jackson talk? I mean he was an upgrade from Cable, but he lost his job all by himself. Finishing a season 1-4 and his ambition ended his chances of keeping his job.
Make the playoffs last year, in a year when every team in the division stunk, then you keep your job. He couldn’t get it done.
DAs performance has nothing to ddo with Hue. The fact is that DA flat out sucks as a head coach…..his team is entirely unprepared week in and week out.
Hue has nothing to do with the fact that we still have not replaced Gruden with a decent HC.
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Hue had one year as HC with a helluva lot more adversity than DA has faced and got us into a first-place tie in the division and within a play of making the playoffs for the first time in a decade.
Allen has us on course for a 4-12, mostly non-competitive season.
If the Chiefs weren’t so TERRIBLE, we’d be about two plays away from 0-15 now with the OT wins at home against Pitt and the Jags (who lost MJD and their starting QB early in that game).
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Hue haters are complete Dumbasses period.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:02 pm
How does that get a Head .coaching Job? Affirmative action?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Allen_(American_football)
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
CAN SOMEBODY ZIP THAT BALL INTO THE ENDZONE! !!
PLEASE ….
REGGIE THE KIDS BEHIND MY HOUSE CAN. YOU WANT
ME TO CALL THEM ???
STAY WARM IN THE FIREPLACE. DONT GIVE US CHRISTMAS
GIFT WE WANT !! ITS OKAY ….
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:04 pm
We played well back east against a very good team who recently beat the Saints and the boys and falcons.
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When was this?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
ColoradoRaiderFan Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Landry, Noll, Walsh, they all took over epically bad teams. Not a team that was finally getting better.
I would rather have stability in our staff. Tarver and DA should stay. Knapp should never coach anything again. Reg should be on a leash next year.
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Stability with inexperience and suspect playcalling?
I agree on Knapp….will be interesting to see what Davis does.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Two youngest HCs in history…
Lane Kiffin
Dennis Allen
See the pattern here?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
The penalties in this game on both sides were just unreal. Not unreal in the NFL hates the Raiders way, but unreal in I don’t understand what a good tackle is anymore way after the Burris penalty.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Would I like to see Gruden back as the new head coach? Over this carp we’re being served up on a weekly basis, ABSOLUTELY! Is he the long term answer to our problems, only god knows. However, if we’re gonna roll the dice as we did with DA, I would like to see this kid Shaw from Stanford giving a shot. Sorry to say but DA and his cohorts do not inspire any hope for the future, with their feel good, domesticated football. As bad as we were under AL over the last ten years or so, I at least believed he was making every conceivable effort to make us winners. With this regime over the last ten MONTHS, I don’t think so!
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:08 pm
we are 31st in the league in the red zone, we have 1 td in the first quarter in 15 games,today we were 0 for 3 on 3rd and 1, we actually called 3 screens that resulted in negative yards and eliminated us from field goal range. Our offensive coordinator is just as bad as the players if not worse.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:08 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Leinart is pretty bad. Palmer could be out. Looks like maybe Pryor really could get the start next week.
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Oh man.
Palmer is the best QB we’ve had in a long time and if he’s out I really don’t want to see Leinart starting.
Who the hell throws it away on your last play of the game?
Sure, Leinart hasn’t taken any snaps, he has to use Knap’s play calling,etc., but this was his chance.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:08 pm
DA down the stretch?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
How does this resume get you a Head Coaching job?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Allen_(American_football)
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
That we have not had a 1st round draft pick two years in a row; reveals the consequences.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Stability is only good when you have someone worth sticking with.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:10 pm
How many rushing td’s do we have again?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:10 pm
GG Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Two youngest HCs in history…
Lane Kiffin
Dennis Allen
See the pattern here?
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How old were Tomlin and Raheem Morris when they were hired? Both were definitely younger than Allen and I believe they may have been younger than Kiffin as well.
What’s the pattern?
What’s your point?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:10 pm
the lack of cap space and draft picks is why knapp called 3 screens in a row today..lol
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Why the hell do people consistently quote Wikepedia as if it’s a reliable source?
Wikipedia is made up of observations of anyone who feels like doing that much writing and the entries can be changed at will and at whim.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
DA will get another year. RM will persuade Mark Davis.
Hue lovers forget about him or go and root for the Bungles. He aint comin’ back! Same for Gruden. He is not coaching the Raiders next year. Get used to it.
So get behind the team and look forward to 2013. That what fans do. Root for the team through bad times as well as the good times.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I would love to say I won’t spend another dime until knapps gone, but I can’t. Still gonna fly back for a game or two a year. Just sucks to be a fan when you feel like mgmt doesn’t want to win.
By the way, besides not showing any emotion at all, DA never seems to use that red sharpie in his hat. Now there’s your conspiracy theory.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
AD, B Allen, and J Gruden made a good team. I wonder if the Raiders wouild have sucked this bad for the past 10 years if AD did not trade J Gruden.
AD should have given Gruden what he wanted.
The Raiders are in desparate need for a Star. Gruden has it. The current coaching staff will never have it.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:10 pm
How many rushing td’s do we have again?
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3 not counting all the ones we get against the practice squad
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:12 pm
rediaR Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Stability is only good when you have someone worth sticking with.
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Concise and truthful. Excellent post.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Davis, McKenzie nor DA elected to strip Knapp of play calling responsibilities therefore they all suck as they were/are derelect in their responsibility to do whats best for the team.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
That we have not had a 1st round draft pick two years in a row; reveals the consequences.
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So how many additional wins do you think those two picks would give us? To think the two picks are the reason for this disaster is just ridiculous
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Get ready for a Gruden announcement
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:13 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
That we have not had a 1st round draft pick two years in a row; reveals the consequences.
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The conseqences were due to previous first rounders being busts, and the need to make a trade for an impact player (Seymour, Palmer)
that desperation came directly from Robert Gallery, and JaMarcus Russell and Fabian Washington and the misses (Rothlisberger, Calvin Johnson and Aaron Rodgers)
historic fails in draft.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:14 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Why the hell do people consistently quote Wikepedia as if it’s a reliable source?
Wikipedia is made up of observations of anyone who feels like doing that much writing and the entries can be changed at will and at whim.
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Wkipedia is much better than you give it credit for. In general the bs gets deleted quickly and it warns you when there is a lack of source material.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Some Raider still not giving Hue credit.The Raider Owner and GM not giving Hue Credit for what he did in bringing back the fight to the Raiders is showing up big time right now. The Raiders are down the scretch now.how do they look? Now, the Raiders look much worst then Hues team and that cannot be covered up.Last year the Raiders had a chance to the very end this year they are stinking it up!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:14 pm
ColoradoRaiderFan Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I would love to say I won’t spend another dime until knapps gone, but I can’t. Still gonna fly back for a game or two a year. Just sucks to be a fan when you feel like mgmt doesn’t want to win.
By the way, besides not showing any emotion at all, DA never seems to use that red sharpie in his hat. Now there’s your conspiracy theory.
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Yes, he does use it. He fiddles around Knapps anus with it. And he later enjoys the scent, as it carries over from behind his ear.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Hue haters are complete Dumbasses period.
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Hue haters?…or people who actually watched Hue coach?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Worst head coach in the league – by far. Raider nation is screwed. From playoff contender to laughing stock.
Reggie set this franchise back 5 years. It ain’t going to be any better next year, believe that.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Carson wasnt hurt he just saw his chance to get the hell out of this mess;)
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:16 pm
When Hue made that dumb trade for CP he DESERVED to be fired and run off
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Boycott 2013 season tickets. Boycott buying Raider merchandise.
Send telegram to DA with a copy to RM and bowl head kid: Dear DA, Why is Knapp still on the Raider payroll?
Fvck you! – strong message to follow.
Signed, A Raider fan who is NOT renewing his season tickets.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:16 pm
if hue doesnt get one of the 4-6 hc jobs available next year what does that mean
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:17 pm
rediaR Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:14 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Why the hell do people consistently quote Wikepedia as if it’s a reliable source?
Wikipedia is made up of observations of anyone who feels like doing that much writing and the entries can be changed at will and at whim.
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Wkipedia is much better than you give it credit for. In general the bs gets deleted quickly and it warns you when there is a lack of source material.
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The key words in your refutation being “in general”.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:16 pm
When Hue made that dumb trade for CP he DESERVED to be fired and run off
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8-8 , but it was a weak 8-8. Still, he was a better communicator and playcaller.
Much better with the media, too. Was a decent DC away from probably making the playoffs.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
How does this resume get you a Head Coaching job? Any answers? Other than insults?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Allen_(American_football)
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Best part of MacDonald’s report -
“The Raiders finish the season in San Diego on Dec. 30″
Thank God it’s almost over.
Shame on coaches; shame on the players; shame on the owner.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
if hue doesnt get one of the 4-6 hc jobs available next year what does that mean
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It means he will get well compensated for interviewing as a HC
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
nycraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:16 pm
if hue doesnt get one of the 4-6 hc jobs available next year what does that mean
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That he sucks?
That no one wants him?
How many guesses do I get?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
2romes Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Some Raider still not giving Hue credit.The Raider Owner and GM not giving Hue Credit for what he did in bringing back the fight to the Raiders is showing up big time right now. The Raiders are down the scretch now.how do they look? Now, the Raiders look much worst then Hues team and that cannot be covered up.Last year the Raiders had a chance to the very end this year they are stinking it up!!!!
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They dont have to give credit. Proof is in the resume. Look at the time line.
Greg Knapp is OC here and has his playcalling stripped by Tom Cable midseason. We end up 5-11. Hue Jackson comes in the next season and INSTANTLY makes our offense better, 2 seasons straight worth of linear improvement. Hes let go, our offense does a complete 180. He gets hired as assistant HC for Bengals, who are now going to the playoffs. Hes also the secondary coach, and anyone whos watched any Bengals games can see how much theyre secondary has improved this season. Hell, the secondary stepped today with 2 HUGE INT’s that helped get them past PITT and into the playoffs. Hue Jackson will be coaching into the post season. DA will not. Some guys know how to get the production out of players, some guys dont. Again, credit doesnt ever have to be given. Resumes speak for themselves.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Hue haters are complete Dumbasses period.
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Hue haters?…or people who actually watched Hue coach?
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Are 8 wins better than 4, yes or no?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Just a few more idiots (DA supporters) left…
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
reggie mck is a con artist…whats the saying mark? “fool me once, shame on you…fool me twice…dammn ima fool”
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Tom Cable > Hue Johnson
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
plunkethead….youre a reggie/da lover right?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
How does this resume get you a Head Coaching job? Any answers? Other than insults?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Allen_(American_football)
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When the GM making the hire is a dumb, mouth-breathing tub whose “gut” was wowed by DA’s dizzying use of cliches and meaningless coachspeak.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
RediaR Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:14 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Why the hell do people consistently quote Wikepedia as if it’s a reliable source?
Wikipedia is made up of observations of anyone who feels like doing that much writing and the entries can be changed at will and at whim.
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Wkipedia is much better than you give it credit for. In general the bs gets deleted quickly and it warns you when there is a lack of source material.
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Because the contributors source other FACTUAL sources, and its up to the user to cross reference it. Often times the articles or source material is at the bottom of the page.
It is much better than it is given credit for. if you dont like it, you can always do your own research than add it as a contributor yourself. There are web rings that they have to debate key points and merits of the research, as well.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
How does this resume get you a Head Coaching job? (Nothing to do with Hue Jackson)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Allen_(American_football)
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Jack “The Assassin” Tatum
Ted “Mad Stork” Hendricks
Dave “The Ghost” Casper
John “Chucky” Gruden
Dennis “TITS” Allen
See the problem here, guys?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
How does this resume get you a Head Coaching job? Any answers? Other than insults?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Allen_(American_football)
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When the GM making the hire is a dumb, mouth-breathing tub whose “gut” was wowed by DA’s dizzying use of cliches and meaningless coachspeak.
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Whats the play, then. Does Davis pull a plug on the whole thing, then pay them for nothing, while having to dig for more cash to sign Gruden?
I mean, thats the hand were dealt.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Enough about changes that will never happen.
Is Kelly back next year? Does he have more tackles or penalties? I’m pretty sure Reg cuts him and Belicheat immediately signs him.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Where are the in Reggie we trust quotes?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
How does this resume get you a Head Coaching job? Any answers? Other than insults?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Allen_(American_football)
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A gut feeling.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Post 339 equals checkmate b1tch! Lol kudos to jdb.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
KEEP TALKING!!!!! They can’t hear you.
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339.John David Booty Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
2romes Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Some Raider still not giving Hue credit.The Raider Owner and GM not giving Hue Credit for what he did in bringing back the fight to the Raiders is showing up big time right now. The Raiders are down the scretch now.how do they look? Now, the Raiders look much worst then Hues team and that cannot be covered up.Last year the Raiders had a chance to the very end this year they are stinking it up!!!!
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They dont have to give credit. Proof is in the resume. Look at the time line.
Greg Knapp is OC here and has his playcalling stripped by Tom Cable midseason. We end up 5-11. Hue Jackson comes in the next season and INSTANTLY makes our offense better, 2 seasons straight worth of linear improvement. Hes let go, our offense does a complete 180. He gets hired as assistant HC for Bengals, who are now going to the playoffs. Hes also the secondary coach, and anyone whos watched any Bengals games can see how much theyre secondary has improved this season. Hell, the secondary stepped today with 2 HUGE INT’s that helped get them past PITT and into the playoffs. Hue Jackson will be coaching into the post season. DA will not. Some guys know how to get the production out of players, some guys dont. Again, credit doesnt ever have to be given. Resumes speak for themselves.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Tom Cable > Hue Johnson
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8-8 > 17-27 (9-19 w/o Hue leading the offense)
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Terelle Pryor is our best quarterback.
And Marcel Reece is our best running back.
Dennis Allen is an idiot.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
I PUT MY CAT TO WATCH THE RAIDER’S GAME AND,
HE CLOSE HIS EYES AND FELL ASLEEP. ! GOING – Oh – Ah .
Bring me– A 45 Sec drink !!!
MAZZIEL OR CAM CAMERON – MORNIWEG NORV TURNER -oc
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:24 pm
kelly and houston were the only players with huevos today…
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:24 pm
remember when reggie said in july they should compete for the playoffs.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Turf Toe Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Jack “The Assassin” Tatum
Ted “Mad Stork” Hendricks
Dave “The Ghost” Casper
John “Chucky” Gruden
Dennis “TITS” Allen
See the problem here, guys?
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Other than different eras with much less specialization and betttr tackling favoring the defense. No. People are romanticizing the past. The issue is bad drafting, bad contracts leading to this mess.
Allen isnt moses, he cant overcome TEN plus years of busts like Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, JaMarcus Russell, Javon Walker, Randy Moss, Aaron Brooks, etc.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Who’s starting opposite from Huff these days? Haven’t heard his name the last two weeks since he didn’t get burned.
Adams and Ross seem to be playing well.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:24 pm
remember when reggie said in july they should compete for the playoffs.
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He meant his fantasy team. He drafted Ryan Matthews with the #1 pick.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Why can’t the raiders have competent coaching? Its either some stiff like DA or some left field reach like Hue.
Just get me a coach that was a legit option for other teams.
Tired of settling for imitations.
Hue was garbage cause he traded the house, his offense was junk in the 2ndhalf and his team layed down.
DA is garbage for so many reasons.
NEITHER of them should be here
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:27 pm
The Great Sabotage of 2012
Double Agent reporing to Donkey Headquarters – “Mission Accomplished!”
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:27 pm
This was probably the worst offensive game I’ve ever seen in my years.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
How does this resume get you a Head Coaching job? Any answers? Other than insults?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Allen_(American_football)
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When the GM making the hire is a dumb, mouth-breathing tub whose “gut” was wowed by DA’s dizzying use of cliches and meaningless coachspeak.
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This. Not enough has been said about how DA was able to sell himself on Reggie. You have to remeber, Reggie is the man in charge for making decisions regarding the franchise we love. Dennis Allen has shown me nothing that would indicate that he is HC material. If it was this easy for a weasel like Dennis Allen to pull the wool over Reggie’s eyes, why exactly should we have confidence that Reggie is a good decision maker? We are in bad hands right now.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Former Raiders Romonowski and LoNeal on CSNBayArea just as disgusted with these coaches as we are. Its a joke and there’s no sugar coating it anymore.
DA has to go! Reggie made a huge mistake and now they have to eat the money and just move on. Hire *anybody* but this loser. I mean he’s frikin smirking in the press conference, doesn’t even care that his just got blown out again. When Hue, Cable, Gruden lost, they were frikin pissed and it showed, this guy just acts like its another day at the office.
Please Reggie wake up and can this loser now! Only then can we ‘rebuild’.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Former Raiders Romonowski and LoNeal on CSNBayArea just as disgusted with these coaches as we are. Its a joke and there’s no sugar coating it anymore.
DA has to go! Reggie made a huge mistake and now they have to eat the money and just move on. Hire *anybody* but this loser. I mean he’s frikin smirking in the press conference, doesn’t even care that his just got blown out again. When Hue, Cable, Gruden lost, they were frikin pissed and it showed, this guy just acts like its another day at the office.
Reggie wake up and can this loser now! Only then can we ‘rebuild’.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:28 pm
ColoradoRaiderFan Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Enough about changes that will never happen.
Is Kelly back next year? Does he have more tackles or penalties? I’m pretty sure Reg cuts him and Belicheat immediately signs him.
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Bingo.
a lot of people moving on. Seymour, Lechler, Carlisle, (maybe) Huff, Barnes, etc.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:28 pm
315. London Al, love your support of our beloved RAIDERS. However, when you’ve seen your GREAT franchise being considered one of the greatest in the NFL! Now considered close to the bottom of the pile, it’s very hard to accept. I honestly believe RAIDER FAN has been overly loyal in the last 10+ years of futility, both at home and away games. Hate to even mention it in the same breath as the bad days of the franchises that were bottom feeders ala Browns, Bengals, Lions, Cardinals etc., but we’re there right now. Living solely of our past reputation, and without real drastic action, could be there for the forseeable future. Sorry to sound so negative, but right now I don’t even see a candle glimmering at the end of the tunnel.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:29 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Turf Toe Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Jack “The Assassin” Tatum
Ted “Mad Stork” Hendricks
Dave “The Ghost” Casper
John “Chucky” Gruden
Dennis “TITS” Allen
See the problem here, guys?
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Other than different eras with much less specialization and betttr tackling favoring the defense. No. People are romanticizing the past. The issue is bad drafting, bad contracts leading to this mess.
Allen isnt moses, he cant overcome TEN plus years of busts like Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, JaMarcus Russell, Javon Walker, Randy Moss, Aaron Brooks, etc.
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You do understand we have been 8-8 for the last two season? You are telling me Wimbley, Routt, Satele and Bush are the reason for this disaster? Wow i didn’t know those players were that good….wait how are they doing now.
Your excuses are nonsense. There is no reason for this type of regression.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:29 pm
How many times has that stretch play worked on 3rd & short?
Somebody please tell me.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Hue Jackson and The Bengals going to the playoffs.
A lot of you retards wanted Hue out after his last presses and those of us that supported Hue all said that was a huge mistake.
It’s a travesty to watch this team after 2 years of steady improvement.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Unless Mark overrides Reggie, this offseason will tell us a lot about Reggie as a GM. Does he swallow his pride and admit his mistake in hiring the Double Agent. Or does his pride overrule and force feed us more of the same Krapp next year?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Junior is the worst coach in Raiders history, he should thank and send a personal note to KC and JVille.
However, he’s the ZarMac’s pet project, he’s staying, and gets to keep his staff. Total unaccountability from top on down. The Bay Area press supports the regime, and with very few exceptions, lays all blame on the players.
The way they have handled Pryor it’s a total disgrace to everyone. They should be ashamed for lying and trying to fool the fans.
I told you that all the talk about Pryor playing was a charade, Junior and the ZarMac robocoach BS speak. They had no intention of giving Pryor any play whatsover, and it’s even more obvious when Carcux went down.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Reggie went from trying to compete to hoping we would buy the after the fact rebuilding. Reggie is trying to invent retro rebuilding. After all your moves dont work you try to convince your fan base you really werent trying to compete but rather rebuilding.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Don’t always have to go with the young up and comer. Out here the broncs are doing pretty well with a new DC every year for 7 years, and a retread for HC. Even before Peyton they were turning it around after their disaster with a young HC. I’m sure they were all laughing when DA left.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Chris
These teams did not have to worry about free agency or the cap.
You know not of what you speak.That makes my point even more compelling.
Also please do your research when challenging opinions.
The Giants were 13-12 the two seasons prior to Parcells.
We beat the Vikings last year without Peterson. We beat the Bears without Cutler. We beat the Broncos with Orton. We were millions over the cap.
We did not have any picks in the first two round this year.
It’s the fault of Bresnahan, no it is Knapp’s fault, no Cable, no Ryan, no Marshall, no Callahan, no Turner, No Shell, no Walsh, no Saunders, no it is Lal’s fault, no Tarver is an idiot, No DA can not lead.
See a pattern????
HINT; Get better players in the draft. This is a 3-5 year project.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:33 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
How does this resume get you a Head Coaching job? Any answers? Other than insults?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Allen_(American_football)
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When the GM making the hire is a dumb, mouth-breathing tub whose “gut” was wowed by DA’s dizzying use of cliches and meaningless coachspeak.
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This. Not enough has been said about how DA was able to sell himself on Reggie. You have to remeber, Reggie is the man in charge for making decisions regarding the franchise we love. Dennis Allen has shown me nothing that would indicate that he is HC material. If it was this easy for a weasel like Dennis Allen to pull the wool over Reggie’s eyes, why exactly should we have confidence that Reggie is a good decision maker? We are in bad hands right now.
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Inexperienced owner
Inexperienced GM
Inexperienced coach
Inexperienced assistant coaches – Tarver, and remember DA was looking at a number of other ones.
lets check out who McKenzie interviewed. Mike McCoy (the OC of Denver), Pete Charmichael, (the wide receivers coach of Saints)..there was speculation he would hire Winston Moss (but nothing really came of that) Hoping McKenzie will review what actually went down then go after a few quality assistants that will be available among the coaching staffs about to go down
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Allen isnt moses, he cant overcome TEN plus years of busts like Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, JaMarcus Russell, Javon Walker, Randy Moss, Aaron Brooks, etc.
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Ah, I see there are still DA excuse makers in here. The only 3 players lost due to salary constraints are Bush, Wimbley, and Routt. Actually, we could have afforded Bush. You mean to tell us these players alone are worth 4 wins? My azz.
All others were let go by choice. This is either an utter player personnel failure, an epic coaching failure, or a little of both. Leaning towards the last one myself.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Turf Toe Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Jack “The Assassin” Tatum
Ted “Mad Stork” Hendricks
Dave “The Ghost” Casper
John “Chucky” Gruden
Dennis “TITS” Allen
See the problem here, guys?
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Other than different eras with much less specialization and betttr tackling favoring the defense. No. People are romanticizing the past. The issue is bad drafting, bad contracts leading to this mess.
Allen isnt moses, he cant overcome TEN plus years of busts like Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, JaMarcus Russell, Javon Walker, Randy Moss, Aaron Brooks, etc.
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But Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, JaMarcus Russell, Javon Walker, Randy Moss, Aaron Brooks were not on the team this season. They werent on the team last season either. So none of those picks or contracts played any part in why this team went from 8-8 to 4-11 right now.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
How many times has that stretch play worked on 3rd & short?
Somebody please tell me. Please?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Hue Jackson got a bit of a raw deal here, there is no question.
But the fact remains that he had 4 chances to make the playoffs and keep his job, but he lost 4 out of his final 5 games.
Then circumstances moved him out the door. You can’t have a power hungry HC who’s contract indicated that he only answer to the owner when you are bringing in a new GM.
Hue wanted to wear all of the hats, he made that very clear at the end of the season.
Was Hue better than Cable? No doubt. Was Hue better than DA? Obviously.
What exactly does that mean? It means he was the best bottom of the barrel HC we have had in the past decade…..nothing more. He obviously had deficiencies of his own.
We can do better than all three of those fools!
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:35 pm
think about how bad leinart is. its 4th and 5 late in the 4th quarter and after a brief scramble , he doesnt see dmoore wide open down the middle and was gonna dump it off 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Of course the ball gets tipped. Then on 4th down with 2 minutes left he throws the ball away. i cant remember ever seeing that. he’s a quitter
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:35 pm
To answer Kell, I think zero. But I do remember some 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 bootlegs last year that went for big gains. Unfortunately, none of those plays are in Knapps book.
He does have a lot of runs to the weak side on short yardage. But if we know it’s coming, the D knows. Maybe that’s why they ALWAYS stack the box to our weak side.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Rudegruden Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:29 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Turf Toe Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Jack “The Assassin” Tatum
Ted “Mad Stork” Hendricks
Dave “The Ghost” Casper
John “Chucky” Gruden
Dennis “TITS” Allen
See the problem here, guys?
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Other than different eras with much less specialization and betttr tackling favoring the defense. No. People are romanticizing the past. The issue is bad drafting, bad contracts leading to this mess.
Allen isnt moses, he cant overcome TEN plus years of busts like Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, JaMarcus Russell, Javon Walker, Randy Moss, Aaron Brooks, etc.
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You do understand we have been 8-8 for the last two season? You are telling me Wimbley, Routt, Satele and Bush are the reason for this disaster? Wow i didn’t know those players were that good….wait how are they doing now.
Your excuses are nonsense. There is no reason for this type of regression.
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Nonsense like “nicknames” like TITS – wtf is that about, anyway?
The regression comes from trying to start over after failed picks then trades having to make up for failed picks and 8-8 seasons of under achievement.
they are starting over, and trying to sell a fan base that they arent rebuilding…it is all too obvious now.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:36 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Turf Toe Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Jack “The Assassin” Tatum
Ted “Mad Stork” Hendricks
Dave “The Ghost” Casper
John “Chucky” Gruden
Dennis “TITS” Allen
See the problem here, guys?
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Other than different eras with much less specialization and betttr tackling favoring the defense. No. People are romanticizing the past. The issue is bad drafting, bad contracts leading to this mess.
Allen isnt moses, he cant overcome TEN plus years of busts like Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, JaMarcus Russell, Javon Walker, Randy Moss, Aaron Brooks, etc.
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Not to mention the players that Al left on the team.
He can’t overcome all of that in one year. No coach can.
In terms of Allen as a head coach in his first year, are the players-who only have three wins and just flew 3000 miles-playing hard for this head coach with one remaining game?
The answer to that question is yes.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Let’s move on from Hue. Can’t undo that decision. The fact is we have a clown coach and we need to fix it…pronto! Bad hire by Reggie. Swallow his pride or defend his mistake? We shall see…
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:36 pm
ColoradoRaiderFan Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Don’t always have to go with the young up and comer. Out here the broncs are doing pretty well with a new DC every year for 7 years, and a retread for HC. Even before Peyton they were turning it around after their disaster with a young HC. I’m sure they were all laughing when DA left.
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Denver GLADLY let Dennis Allen leave their staff. Then DENIED him permission to interview any of the Denver coaches that they actually wanted to keep. Speaks for itself.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:38 pm
303Raider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Hue Jackson and The Bengals going to the playoffs.
A lot of you retards wanted Hue out after his last presses and those of us that supported Hue all said that was a huge mistake.
It’s a travesty to watch this team after 2 years of steady improvement.
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???? Hue is the assistant to the assistant coach of the DBs.
And the Bengals went to the playoffs last year too.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:38 pm
I really don’t think RMac is going to get rid of DA after one season. If a miracle happens and a vet like Gruden or Cowher could be hired…go for it. But I’ve spent the past 30 years hoping for that coaching hire miracle Al never made.
Knapp and also the O-line coach need to go. The team has shown no offensive improvement all year. Their high point of the season was in Week 3! The scheme can work, except for DMac (a giant fking problem!), but the game to game play calling has been atrocious. Along with the unimaginative use of the offensive talent and ineffective substitution patterns. The offense is a complete mess and destroyed whatever pieces the O had built up over the past two years.
When Al was in charge at least I always had expectations of winning. Yes even over these last 10 years. Never thought the new regime years would start off this bad. Nightmare.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
” LETS TAKE REGGIE TO HOOTERS ” !
AL missed getting ELI MANNING 4-5 Years back ..
PALMER — They say will be out for long time.
Yeah ! Until next Year !!
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:39 pm
It’s time for Reggie to come out again and say he’s happy with the job that Dennis Allen is doing. Can’t wait to have him blame the contracts and salary cap some more.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Chris
These teams did not have to worry about free agency or the cap.
You know not of what you speak.That makes my point even more compelling.
Also please do your research when challenging opinions.
The Giants were 13-12 the two seasons prior to Parcells.
We beat the Vikings last year without Peterson. We beat the Bears without Cutler. We beat the Broncos with Orton. We were millions over the cap.
We did not have any picks in the first two round this year.
It’s the fault of Bresnahan, no it is Knapp’s fault, no Cable, no Ryan, no Marshall, no Callahan, no Turner, No Shell, no Walsh, no Saunders, no it is Lal’s fault, no Tarver is an idiot, No DA can not lead.
See a pattern????
HINT; Get better players in the draft. This is a 3-5 year project.
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if my memory serves me correctly, the colts went 2-14, lost their franchise qb, had their rookie hc leave due to illness and they made the playoffs.. if we drafted Luck, knapp would never have gotten anything out of him.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Rude
Maybe we did not regress. Maybe everyone else got better? Further, that GB game last year did not tell you something? How about the Dolphins game last year?
How about the Charger game at home??
8-8 BFD. WE GOT OUR A$$’S HANDED TO US DOWN THE STRETCH.
This is what happens when you have no first or second round picks and are millions over the cap with guys like Seymour being paid like a pro bowler.
This problem was created over ten years.
OUR PLAYERS CAN NOT COMPETE AT THE NFL LEVEL!!!!!!
Below is the root cause of the problem: POOR DRAFTING. PLAYERS IN THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS NEED TO BE IMMEDIATE IMPACT PLAYERS.
ROUNDS ONE AND TWO THE LAST 10 YEARS.
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
That’s 21 picks. ONLY FIVE WERE ALONG THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. Simple math says that 9 of your 22 starters are lineman which means AT LEAST NINE PICKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR LINEMAN.
WE HAVE DRAFTED POORLY AND IGNORED LINE PLAY. DISASTROUS!
Panic set in and we started to sign past the prime free agents and trade picks in 2007 and later.
THIS IS A MESS THAT IS NOT GETTING FIXED THIS YEAR OR THE NEXT.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Ah yeah, Hue had “character issues” that those people have.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
How about giving Kevin Gilbride or Jim Fassel a shot at coaching this team? DA is waaay over his head and at best should have been a coordinator with a fancy asst. head coach title.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
How many times has that stretch play worked on 3rd & short?
Somebody please tell me. Please? Somebody?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:36 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Turf Toe Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Jack “The Assassin” Tatum
Ted “Mad Stork” Hendricks
Dave “The Ghost” Casper
John “Chucky” Gruden
Dennis “TITS” Allen
See the problem here, guys?
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Other than different eras with much less specialization and betttr tackling favoring the defense. No. People are romanticizing the past. The issue is bad drafting, bad contracts leading to this mess.
Allen isnt moses, he cant overcome TEN plus years of busts like Robert Gallery, Fabian Washington, JaMarcus Russell, Javon Walker, Randy Moss, Aaron Brooks, etc.
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Not to mention the players that Al left on the team.
He can’t overcome all of that in one year. No coach can.
In terms of Allen as a head coach in his first year, are the players-who only have three wins and just flew 3000 miles-playing hard for this head coach with one remaining game?
The answer to that question is yes.
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I’m just shocked we still have people supporting DA. What do you guys see out of him that give you any hope we will improve?
The remaining DA supporters are like Cult followers. Just following blindly…like a bunch of sheep.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
SLAYER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
PRYOR WILL GET 3 PLAYS IN SAN DIEGO,..AND THATS THREE TOO MANY. PLAY LEINERT ALL GAME, PLAY GOODY ALL GAME…GET HAGAN IN THE GAME MORE. I LIKE THE COACHING STAFF. THEY NEED A FEW MORE YEARS. 666
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DUDE stop posting like a JackVss troll loser. WTF is wrong with you? Post to read what you posted just to hear yourself idiot!!
Do us all a favor and STFU Bronco Fan.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
wheres the list of the DA/reggie debacle season?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
How many times has that stretch play worked on 3rd & short?
Somebody please tell me. Please? Somebody? Anybody
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
I’m just shocked we still have people supporting DA. What do you guys see out of him that give you any hope we will improve?
The remaining DA supporters are like Cult followers. Just following blindly…like a bunch of sheep.
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Agree. Some people like to follow blindly. Makes life simpler to cope with for them I guess.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Rude
Maybe we did not regress. Maybe everyone else got better? Further, that GB game last year did not tell you something? How about the Dolphins game last year?
How about the Charger game at home??
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So now we didn’t get worse but everyone got better???? Did I just read that, seriously did you mean that or was it a joke. Charlie, you are truly blind to what is happening on the football field.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
“Yeah he kicked me…I wasn’t fixing to take that. I’m a grown-ass man.” – #Raiders DT #TommyKelly, on #Panthers QB #CamNewton
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And that’s why you’ll soon be unemployed.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
retro rebuilding by reggie mac..and some of you buy into it..shame on you. btw we were 8-8 for past 2 years
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
englad raider
charlie
plunketthead
i know mctroll20/Dennis Allen Visor is on it
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
I need to go back and research all of Mistic’s posts about Palmer because I cannot come up with enough scathingly insulting and derogatory things to say about Knapps play calling.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
SilverBlackAttacked Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
How about giving Kevin Gilbride or Jim Fassel a shot at coaching this team? DA is waaay over his head and at best should have been a coordinator with a fancy asst. head coach title.
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I would actually be OK with a Fassel hiring. Guy went to a Super Bowl and had a winning career record. He’s been out of the NFL game for awhile, but that’s a helluva lot more than you can say for DA.
Gilbride? Meh. Not interested.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:36 pm
ColoradoRaiderFan Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Don’t always have to go with the young up and comer. Out here the broncs are doing pretty well with a new DC every year for 7 years, and a retread for HC. Even before Peyton they were turning it around after their disaster with a young HC. I’m sure they were all laughing when DA left.
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Denver GLADLY let Dennis Allen leave their staff. Then DENIED him permission to interview any of the Denver coaches that they actually wanted to keep. Speaks for itself.
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McCoy turned down McKenzie’s offer and they went with Allen who was interested.
I think the people that were denied were Richard Smith (Broncos LB coach) and Joe DeCamillis (cowboys)…Joe Whitt was also up for defensive coordinator and so was Greg Manusky;
Broncos denied anyone from Allen’s staff at Denver to join him, and that speaks volumes for Denver not wanting a rival to get more people from their staff.
The big miss was Ed Donatell. The secondary was HORRIBLE this year.
Hoping that Allen can see the errors and revamp the assistants…preferably some experienced ones.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Miami, Cleveland, Philly, indy, Cincy, Washington and even Minnesota all better off than the Raiders for years to come cause they went AHEAD and developed young QBs.
The Raiders haven’t even begun to fix this team. Still don’t have a coach
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Zopi Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Junior is the worst coach in Raiders history, he should thank and send a personal note to KC and JVille.
However, he’s the ZarMac’s pet project, he’s staying, and gets to keep his staff. Total unaccountability from top on down. The Bay Area press supports the regime, and with very few exceptions, lays all blame on the players.
The way they have handled Pryor it’s a total disgrace to everyone. They should be ashamed for lying and trying to fool the fans.
I told you that all the talk about Pryor playing was a charade, Junior and the ZarMac robocoach BS speak. They had no intention of giving Pryor any play whatsover, and it’s even more obvious when Carcux went down.
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Right on the money. This joke of a coaching staff have broken Pryor’s spirit just like they have DMAC, Moore, Palmer, Seymour, and the list goes on and on. Pryor was sick after the game being interviewed, just totally depressed and down –
3 plays?!! You gotta be kidding me.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
405…yeah we want players who will take it…
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Hue Jackson got a bit of a raw deal here, there is no question.
But the fact remains that he had 4 chances to make the playoffs and keep his job, but he lost 4 out of his final 5 games.
Then circumstances moved him out the door. You can’t have a power hungry HC who’s contract indicated that he only answer to the owner when you are bringing in a new GM.
Hue wanted to wear all of the hats, he made that very clear at the end of the season.
Was Hue better than Cable? No doubt. Was Hue better than DA? Obviously.
What exactly does that mean? It means he was the best bottom of the barrel HC we have had in the past decade…..nothing more. He obviously had deficiencies of his own.
We can do better than all three of those fools!
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This. Love Hue or hate him, anyone who denies that hes a better coach than Dennis Allen is not worthy of having their football opinion entertained. The bottom line is, we do not have the best coach that we can possibly have. Continuity is great, when its something worthy of continuing. Continuity of bad things, thats not good in my book.
Hue is gone, so be it.
With Dennis Allen, what you see is what you get. And none of us need to see this for another 3 years. None of us need to see this any longer than 1 more week. Its just not a good brand of football.
Im a Raiders fan. But I am not a supporter of Dennis Allen as head coach. He has proven to me through this season that he is not the man for the job.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Rudegruden Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Rude
Maybe we did not regress. Maybe everyone else got better? Further, that GB game last year did not tell you something? How about the Dolphins game last year?
How about the Charger game at home??
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So now we didn’t get worse but everyone got better???? Did I just read that, seriously did you mean that or was it a joke. Charlie, you are truly blind to what is happening on the football field.
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LOL. All other 31 teams got better. Just not us.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
NYC
Thank you for proving my point.
Prior to drafting Luck, the Colts expended their top two picks in the prior four drafts on “in the box talent”
7 of their top 8 picks were spent on the Lines and Linbackers!!!(We have one of them in Wheeler).
That is what I have been saying.
The Seahawks did the same thing.
No coaching mystique. No magic. Years of building your core through the draft.
Build your foundation and the wins follow.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
“Yeah he kicked me…I wasn’t fixing to take that. I’m a grown-ass man.” – #Raiders DT #TommyKelly, on #Panthers QB #CamNewton
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And that’s why you’ll soon be unemployed.
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TK may be out in Oakland, but he’ll draw a lot of interest elsewhere, believe me.
Terrible call by the officials. No reason for TK to put up with that from a punk like Newton. Good for TK.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Either Brian Billick or Jack Del Rio would be huge upgrades for us.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm
I don’t know why people don’t get it.
TP is not the future of the Raiders. If he was, he would be playing. Simple as that.
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If TP6 is that bad then put him in there this game and show the world just how bad he is. Then, there is no longer an argument. This was a meaningless game. There was absolutely nothing to lose. I’m not a big TP6 fan but C’mon man, this was the time to showcase what is or isn’t there. Just BAD decisions on DA’s part. Leinart is no solution either. He combined with Knapp’s impotent offense just shows how BAD the Knapp decision was to begin with. Knapp needs to be fired but I really don’t expect DA to pull the trigger.
I’m not wasting any more of my $’s on season tickets. It’s the only real way I can protest the crap we are now seeing in Oakland.
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There’s a lot of downside to playing TP as a full time QB:
- If he hasn’t earned it by stinking it up in practice and not even outplaying Leinart, what message does that send to the rest of the guys fighting for starting spots?
- If the Raiders want to convert him to WR (which that first use of him might indicate) then rewarding him for unearned QB snaps doesn’t send the right message.
- Poor reads and throws can put WRs in danger of taking viscious hits. (although Leinart isn’t exactly making it safe with his 15 yard bombs!)
- If they want to trade him for some value next season, they only want him in select plays with a high liklihood of success. The play in the red zone was a great example where it was a real simple read option with a very safe “throw” of 5 yards or run. The more they play him in situations where you expect a full functioning QB (like 1st and 10 from midfield) to have to read and make the right calls he’ll fall on his face and lose value.
- If they did play him more it would make the minority of myopic wave of the future posters here happy, and we can’t have that!
Get over it. Dude ain’t the future and only the fans seem to think he is. The staff, and even Jerry as a reporter, see a lot more of him in practice then we do so I’m going to assume that they making WAY more informed judgements than the wannabe couch coaches in here.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:48 pm
2romes Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Some Raider still not giving Hue credit.The Raider Owner and GM not giving Hue Credit for what he did in bringing back the fight to the Raiders is showing up big time right now. The Raiders are down the scretch now.how do they look? Now, the Raiders look much worst then Hues team and that cannot be covered up.Last year the Raiders had a chance to the very end this year they are stinking it up!!!!
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Hue who? He’s not the OC/HC anymore. Move on. Al Davis is dead. New owner. A GM (at last) and a new head coach. Hue is gone for good. Can we move on?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm
(although Leinart isn’t exactly making it safe with his 15 yard bombs!)
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Hysterical LMAO!!! Capt. Checkdown reporting for duty.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
405. Raiding Texas. Exactly. Tommy should have made every effort to hammer him in a legal manner the rest of the game. Unfortunately, the stripes are going to penalise the retaliatator rather than the aggressor.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
REGGIE said to Mark after the game. Remember what I promise
You if you don’t cry. All right bring me the ROPE!
THEN we go to Hooters !!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
NYC
Thank you for proving my point.
Prior to drafting Luck, the Colts expended their top two picks in the prior four drafts on “in the box talent”
7 of their top 8 picks were spent on the Lines and Linbackers!!!(We have one of them in Wheeler).
That is what I have been saying.
The Seahawks did the same thing.
No coaching mystique. No magic. Years of building your core through the draft.
Build your foundation and the wins follow.
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or maybe their gm made the right moves and they had excellent coaching. again , if luck were being coached by knapp he would not be where he is at today. and he would be considered less talented..hmmm
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm
My wife just said, ” so what if he gets a facial and a pedicure”
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm
LondonAl Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:48 pm
2romes Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Some Raider still not giving Hue credit.The Raider Owner and GM not giving Hue Credit for what he did in bringing back the fight to the Raiders is showing up big time right now. The Raiders are down the scretch now.how do they look? Now, the Raiders look much worst then Hues team and that cannot be covered up.Last year the Raiders had a chance to the very end this year they are stinking it up!!!!
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Hue who? He’s not the OC/HC anymore. Move on. Al Davis is dead. New owner. A GM (at last) and a new head coach. Hue is gone for good. Can we move on?
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Agreed Hue is gone, but remember that was Reggie’s first decision. And he missed and missed bad. It was downhill since that firing. Reggie gutted the team with obviously no plan.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Get over it. Dude ain’t the future and only the fans seem to think he is.
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Then why not just release him and move on? You can say this confidently without seeing him in real action? You trust this staff to make that call?
I sure don’t.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm
They Raiders went from the top offenses last year to praying for one touchdown in three games down the stretch. Hue was a Raiders that wanted to remain a Raiders. Remember they fired Hue to bring in better coaches. Are the Raider coaches better than Hue? I say not even close to being better. Wrong move Reggie!!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
“Yeah he kicked me…I wasn’t fixing to take that. I’m a grown-ass man.” – #Raiders DT #TommyKelly, on #Panthers QB #CamNewton
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And that’s why you’ll soon be unemployed.
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TK may be out in Oakland, but he’ll draw a lot of interest elsewhere, believe me.
Terrible call by the officials. No reason for TK to put up with that from a punk like Newton. Good for TK.
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I’ve noticed that TK plays pretty poorly when he’s THE man in the middle and is probably facing a lot of extra attention. Whenever someone is playing well next to him (Seymour before, Bryant of late) he seems to really step up his game. I thought he played pretty well today.
BTW — can’t really fault him for that quick retaliation on Newton. Imagine what Seymour or Suh would’ve done if Newton kicked him like that! To play DL at a high level you gotta have a serious mean streak. It’s not that easy to turn on and off in the blink of an eye as he’s moving from crush the QB mode and than half a second later has to be a turn the other cheek guy.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Would take Del Rio. Don’t think Billick is leaving broadcast, but would take him too. Always liked Herm Edwards’ intensity and motivation.
I’d even take Bill Brasky as head coach. I know he’s dead, still better than DA. Brasky once had a heart attack but gave himself CPR while never dropping his double bourbon.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:52 pm
How many times has that stretch play worked on 3rd & short?
No answers?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Try some reality
You must be confused by the facts.
What makes you think that our development will be a linear forward progression?
What has changing coaches annually done for our franchise over the last decade???
I assume you are one of the few that were preaching continuity and patience with Hue or Cable or Lance or Shell.
I posted earlier the FACT that our draft history has been horrible over the last TEN YEARS!!!
Are you actually naive enough to think we would get better with a cap problem as serious as we had and no picks in the first two rounds?????
Surely you jest!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:54 pm
tk gets doubled mostof the time…if they try to single block him no chance.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:54 pm
3rd & 1 and these fkrs run for the sidelines!
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm
There’s a lot of downside to playing TP as a full time QB:
- If he hasn’t earned it by stinking it up in practice and not even outplaying Leinart, what message does that send to the rest of the guys fighting for starting spots?
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Do you think these coaches have *any* clue what they are doing? The fact Pryor didn’t ‘beat out’ Leinart has nothing to do with how good he is. These coaches are *terrible*. They make decisions out of ‘principle’, not out of knowing what they F are doing. Like making DMAC and a power blocking oline play zone stretch when its not the right system for the personnel.
Don’t think the coaches decision to not play Pryor is the right one. We don’t know for sure and I lean towards the coaches being wrong – again.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm
3rd & 1 and these fkrs run for the sidelines!
Fag football
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm
ALLEN AND KNAPP AND TARVER IN YEAR THREE OF THIS PROGRAM WILL BE GREAT. NO COACHIN` CHANGES PULEAZE. 666
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm
I’m just shocked we still have people supporting DA. What do you guys see out of him that give you any hope we will improve?
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You’re just “shocked”?
Are you?
Then you’re not too bright.
Allen is the head coach of the Oakland Raiders. He will be the head coach of the Oakland Raiders NEXT year.
And some of us are still in the Raider nation.
Raiders uber alles!
Now get fuk’n lost.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:56 pm
ten and then crew!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Post # 427 rudegruden Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm .
I think Reggie has a plan. So does DA. So does Knapp. The problem is they are not working! But fair point. No point is firing HC if the replacement is not as good.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm
3rd & 1 and these fkrs run for the sidelines!
Fag football
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Your calling the Raiders “fags”?
Just how much rum have you had swabby and what’s the brand?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
NYC
I simply offer strategy supported by fact.
You offer emotional conjecture. You are entitled to your opinion but I assure there is no Xbox or Madden quick fix to this mess.
Just because we are all frustrated over ten years of futility under Mr. Davis does not mean Reggie et all have an obligation to deliver a playoff team in year one.
With the barriers in place we are getting about what I expected. Maybe 7 wins next year.
Sorry but this is a 3-5 year mess. That is why Allen and Reggie have 4 yeear deals.
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:54 pm
3rd & 2 and these fkrs run for the sidelines!
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
YOU CANT RUN A SIDELINE PLAY WITH MCFADDEN,..HE HAS NO SPEED, VISION, AND CRUMBLES AT FIRST CONTACT. 666
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
LondonAl Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
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Where are you in London Al, or is that London, Canada?
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Imagine, if you will, that you’re building a quilt…
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Everyone complained that AD forced coordinators and assistant coaches on his Head Coaches, and everyone claimed the only way to move forward was to modernize and allow the HC to control his staff and game plan, with enough time (several seasons) to implement it. I didn’t hear anyone in here pining for more firing when AD was in control. “Too much dysfunction” was all anyone griped about.
And I don’t much like DA. The sharpie visor, the way he dismisses losses, his choice of OC, the roll-over-and-purr submit move he does at midfield after Fox and Co. blow out his team…
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Tom Flores may be old and drink too much, but I imagine he’s forgotten way more football than all the posters here, Cork and Jerry, and all of Knapp’s apologists combined. And every week he has occasion to express his bewilderment at much of Knapp’s play calling. WTF?
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
REGGIE put your pants up!
Don’t worry – will go back home on the plane, its Okay!
We took it up our – Nose with a RUBBER HOSE !!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
SLAYER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
YOU CANT RUN A SIDELINE PLAY WITH MCFADDEN,..HE HAS NO SPEED, VISION, AND CRUMBLES AT FIRST CONTACT. 666
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And you can’t run him down the middle because he will get injured.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Yes, the personnel needs improvement. Yes, the contracts were out of whack. Yes, the draft picks were crap. Yes, its a ‘rebuilding’ project.
That doesn’t mask the fact that Dennis Allen is a terrible coach.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:01 pm
I miss Al Davis. His worst critic.
I like downfield football.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:01 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm
I’m just shocked we still have people supporting DA. What do you guys see out of him that give you any hope we will improve?
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You’re just “shocked”?
Are you?
Then you’re not too bright.
Allen is the head coach of the Oakland Raiders. He will be the head coach of the Oakland Raiders NEXT year.
And some of us are still in the Raider nation.
Raiders uber alles!
Now get fuk’n lost.
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I will still be part of raider nation but hoping for a change to make the team actually better. I guess you don’t mind winning or losing, but i do. I want what’s best for the team. DA is not what is best for the team. You are an enabler, supporting this disaster they are putting on the field. At the same time next year with the same results I guess you will still support DA. That is sad. If you were a “true” fan you would support the team getting better.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Chris In NY Says:
TK may be out in Oakland, but he’ll draw a lot of interest elsewhere, believe me.
Terrible call by the officials. No reason for TK to put up with that from a punk like Newton. Good for TK.
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Tommy Kelly is symbolic of everything that has gone wrong over the last decade. I remember when the Raiders re-signed him. He had never been that great, was coming off knee surgery, and Al Davis made him the highest paid DT in the NFL!!! Just a gawddam joke.
For every good play TK makes, he has ten other plays where he does nothing or does something detrimental to the team. I will not miss that POS one bit.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm
I’m just shocked we still have people supporting DA. What do you guys see out of him that give you any hope we will improve?
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You’re just “shocked”?
Are you?
Then you’re not too bright.
Allen is the head coach of the Oakland Raiders. He will be the head coach of the Oakland Raiders NEXT year.
And some of us are still in the Raider nation.
Raiders uber alles!
Now get fuk’n lost.
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Im just as puzzled. Id really like to know what youve seen from DA that convinces you that hes worthy of another shot. I heard the cap issue, FA, draft, thats all good and fine. Those are CIRCUMSTANCES. Some people can excel, despite their circumstances, some people cant. Thats a whole other argument. All teams have cap issues that they have to work around, one way or another. Every team has draft picks that dont pan out. Every coach in the NFL has a circumstances that they have to deal with. OK, so lets go ahead and give DA all the excuses of his circumstance. Again, my question is what has DA shown you that makes you think hes worthy of being the coach here?
Is it his game planning? Is it the way he inspires the players? Is it the way he makes adjustments? Is it his handling of the roster and depth chart?
Just trying to get an idea of what it is you see in him that makes you think that he will have a chance at success in the future for us.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
NYC
I simply offer strategy supported by fact.
You offer emotional conjecture. You are entitled to your opinion but I assure there is no Xbox or Madden quick fix to this mess.
Just because we are all frustrated over ten years of futility under Mr. Davis does not mean Reggie et all have an obligation to deliver a playoff team in year one.
With the barriers in place we are getting about what I expected. Maybe 7 wins next year.
Sorry but this is a 3-5 year mess. That is why Allen and Reggie have 4 yeear deals.
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Bs. Carolina made it to the NFC title game in yr. 3 of their existence.
3-5 yr’s. for a team coming off consecutive 8-8 seasons and that is “an unprecendented mess?’ No way.
Maybe 3-5 yr’s. for some idiot who doesn’t know what they’re doing…but no way is that acceptable.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
443. Charlie, totally agree it’s not going to be a quick fix. Can you honestly say though that the present coaching staff (?) has given you any positive outlook for the future?
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:03 pm
3rd & short and these fkrs run for the sidelines!
Fag Football.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:03 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
SLAYER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
YOU CANT RUN A SIDELINE PLAY WITH MCFADDEN,..HE HAS NO SPEED, VISION, AND CRUMBLES AT FIRST CONTACT. 666
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And you can’t run him down the middle because he will get injured.
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59-14 Raiders over Broncos …. No speed?
167 yards over Jacksonville win…No speed?
ran through the Jets last year? No speed?
ran over Eric Weddle in S.D.
Just not jelling with this ZBS. McFadden has ability.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
plunkethead….youre a reggie/da lover right?
Lover?
I support our GM and HC, yes. I always supported Al and Hue as well. I just think Tom was the best coach we have had in some time
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Try some reality
You must be confused by the facts.
What makes you think that our development will be a linear forward progression?
What has changing coaches annually done for our franchise over the last decade???
I assume you are one of the few that were preaching continuity and patience with Hue or Cable or Lance or Shell.
I posted earlier the FACT that our draft history has been horrible over the last TEN YEARS!!!
Are you actually naive enough to think we would get better with a cap problem as serious as we had and no picks in the first two rounds?????
Surely you jest!!!
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No, it is you who are confused by the facts. You look at our coaching turnover over the past decade and say “Aha, there is a constant…high coaching turnover. So keeping a coach has to be the answer.” You want to keep this staff for the sake of doing things differently.
Just because coaching turnover has hurt us in the past does not mean automatically that keeping this staff is the answer. Your argument is fallacious in nature. We have sucked. We have high coaching turnover. Therefore, coaching continuity means we will be good. Sorry, doesn’t work this way.
Your argument regarding our draft history does not apply exlusively to this staff. Gruden, Cable, and Hue all had to deal with the SAME EXACT challenges faced by this staff. And yet they had some measure of success.
The question remains, but you refuse to answer it. Wimbley, Routt, and Bush are solely responsible for 4 wins?
This is a coaching failure of epic proportions but tell yourself what you need to in order to cope.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Yes, You and the Owner/ Reggie moved on and the Raiders moved right in the Middle of a pile of putrid performances from top to bottom. That is what you get for moving on without thinking of the consequences and living in football fantasy land.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
3 things that a clear:
1. Knapp has to go NOW! How many times did we run that freakin screen pass to the left! No TD’s for two games? Comical!
2. There is some hope with D line, Wheeler, Burris. Get rid of “wait for me” Huff!
3. DMC is a one-hit and go down back! No desire for more yards! High-priced back who wears that dumb nicotine patch on his arm! Needs to go or restructure contract!
DA has alot to learn and unfortunately we are stuck with him because management have no commitment to winning! Would Al Davis tolerate this schit!
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Click here to see the idiot’s presser
http://www.csnbayarea.com/video
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
John Madden too
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KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Of course I forgot Lane Kiffin.
The Good ole boys network
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
My heart sank when Gruden left. Even before I read about the trade I knew in my heart that Al Davis was putting himself before the team and the fans. He did the same thing with Marcus Allen. He also ran our greatest QB in the history of the franchise out of town, The Snake. Anyhow ten years later on and look at us? We are a joke on the field. This team will have to go through a few more years of being beaten before we are truly competetive again (last year’s 8-8 was done to playing in a weak division/weak schedule).
In the meantime we must trust MD/RM to do the right things. That’s all we can do.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
How many times has that stretch play worked on 3rd & short?
Somebody please.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:06 pm
453. Kool, probably your most honest and heartfelt comment ever. Now come on and join THE RAIDERNATION!
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:07 pm
No excuses for TK.
He has used them all up.
AFter 5 plays after that, Houston was on the sideline and punk azz Jimmy Claussen went out of his way to shove him twice!!!
Houston just walked away.
What a noble thought.
3rd down sack and TK is worried about being a tough guy after the whistle.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:07 pm
LondonAl Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
My heart sank when Gruden left. Even before I read about the trade I knew in my heart that Al Davis was putting himself before the team and the fans. He did the same thing with Marcus Allen. He also ran our greatest QB in the history of the franchise out of town, The Snake. Anyhow ten years later on and look at us? We are a joke on the field. This team will have to go through a few more years of being beaten before we are truly competetive again (last year’s 8-8 was done to playing in a weak division/weak schedule).
In the meantime we must trust MD/RM to do the right things. That’s all we can do.
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Anybody think Greg Papa and Hub Arkush ran the Gruden thing just to spite Dennis Allen? Or just to give hope to the fan base?
I mean Allen hasnt got anybody that has supported him since he got here…. and he didnt do any favors after all that smiling after a blow out loss up in Denver.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
“Yeah he kicked me…I wasn’t fixing to take that. I’m a grown-ass man.” – #Raiders DT #TommyKelly, on #Panthers QB #CamNewton
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And that’s why you’ll soon be unemployed.
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TK may be out in Oakland, but he’ll draw a lot of interest elsewhere, believe me.
Terrible call by the officials. No reason for TK to put up with that from a punk like Newton. Good for TK.
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I don’t agree with that. That would mean ANYBODY that wants to save a drive against us could just instigate a move like Cam’s and know that some dumbazz will retaliate and they’ll get a penalty call. You’ve gotta have some discipline in those instances cuz penalties like TK’s will just kill you.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
NYC
I simply offer strategy supported by fact.
You offer emotional conjecture. You are entitled to your opinion but I assure there is no Xbox or Madden quick fix to this mess.
Just because we are all frustrated over ten years of futility under Mr. Davis does not mean Reggie et all have an obligation to deliver a playoff team in year one.
With the barriers in place we are getting about what I expected. Maybe 7 wins next year.
Sorry but this is a 3-5 year mess. That is why Allen and Reggie have 4 yeear deals.
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Bs. Carolina made it to the NFC title game in yr. 3 of their existence.
3-5 yr’s. for a team coming off consecutive 8-8 seasons and that is “an unprecendented mess?’ No way.
Maybe 3-5 yr’s. for some idiot who doesn’t know what they’re doing…but no way is that acceptable.
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Clownish DA/Chubby Checker supporters already making excuses for 2013 and 2014.
If Mark lets these imbeciles run things next year and we somehow go 7-9 these sames guys will act like we’re on a path to greatness.
Hopefully the CChargers beat us by like 50 pts next week so Mark has no choice but to act.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
JFB, you’re a Knapp fan
How many times has that stretch play worked on 3rd & short?
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
NYC
I simply offer strategy supported by fact.
You offer emotional conjecture. You are entitled to your opinion but I assure there is no Xbox or Madden quick fix to this mess.
Just because we are all frustrated over ten years of futility under Mr. Davis does not mean Reggie et all have an obligation to deliver a playoff team in year one.
With the barriers in place we are getting about what I expected. Maybe 7 wins next year.
Sorry but this is a 3-5 year mess. That is why Allen and Reggie have 4 yeear deals.
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in 2010 the raider draft was ranked the best in the nfl. when they did a mock draft after the season, mcclain, ford,veldheer, and houston all ended up in the 1st round. that should have been a good foundation along with an pro bowl QB like Palmer and a super bowl champ like Seymour. what happened . all those guys except for possibly houston has regressed. coaching has to have some role in that?
what makes you so confident that Reggie is the man to lead our franchise? he’s not Al? is that all it takes..because other than that Ive seen nothing from reggie to make me beliebve he is the guy
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:10 pm
pryor looks pissed
http://www.csnbayarea.com/video
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:10 pm
JFB, you’re a Knapp faithful,
How many times has that stretch play worked on 3rd & short?
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Reggie give us all a Christmas present and fire DA after next weeks blowout loss.
We know we’re not going to be good next year but at least give us some hope for the future in that you will *not* accept incompetence, even your own, and are willing to face the truth and have the balls to do something about it.
Captain Sharpie *must* go, the sooner the better.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:11 pm
assessing the damage…
“Carolina quarterback Cam Newton passed for 170 yards, on 18-of-29 passing, with a touchdown and an interception (Raiders rookie linebacker Miles Burris’ first of his career), while rushing for 60 yards on 12 carries.
East Coast woes continue: The Raiders’ losing streak in games played in the Eastern Time Zone moved to 10 straight. In the skid, the Raiders have been outscored by a combined 332-16, losing by an average score of 33-16. And since Dec. 15, 2002, when Oakland lost in Miami, 23-17, the Raiders are now just 5-27 in games played in the Eastern Time Zone.
Third-and-one mishaps: It would seem to be the easiest of play calls, but for the Raiders, it spelled disaster. The first three times the Raiders faced a third-and-one, Darren McFadden lost five yards on a pitch, Carson Palmer was obliterated by Greg Hardy and a pass from Leinart to Marcel Reece lost two yards.
Missed calls: A blatant hold on Lamarr Houston allowed Cam Netwon to throw a 23-yard touchdown pass in the first quarter to Steve Smith. Then Newton kicking Tommy Kelly before Kelly retaliated and was thusly flagged was missed. And a personal foul on Miles Burris for a helmet-to-helmet hit on that same drive kept things alive for the Panthers.
“Icon” and “Entertainer” updates: Newton’s kick of Kelly was at least the third time he took exception to a defensive player taking him down. Earlier, he had thrown quick jab-like punches at Miles Burris and MIke MItchell on separate plays. Later, in the fourth quarter, Newton was flagged when he ran into the referee as he attempted to taunt Mitchell.
Injuries…again: Besides Palmer, two other Raiders were knocked out of the game due to injury. Strong safety Tyvon Branch, who is dealing with an ankle injury, came out with a foot issue. And cornerback Phillip Adams, who has been concussed in two of the past three games, suffered a groin injury in the first half.
TP Time: Terrelle Pryor came on the field for three plays — throwing a pass to Palmer and then taking the ensuing pass from Palmer for a 22-yard gain; running for a two-yard pickup inside the Panthers’ 10-yard line; and hitting Marcel Reece for a five-yard pickup in the red zone.”
-Paul Gutierrez, Instant Replay: Panthers 17, Raiders 6
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
JFB, you’re a Knapp believer,
How many times has that stretch play worked on 3rd & short?
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
473. Actually Chris in NY, would be even better if we smashed the chargers by 50 points, and Mark still had the backbone to act in the benefit of the organisation!
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Clownish DA/Chubby Checker supporters already making excuses for 2013 and 2014.
If Mark lets these imbeciles run things next year and we somehow go 7-9 these sames guys will act like we’re on a path to greatness.
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Mark shouldn’t have hired RM in the first place. Gruden was in an announcer’s booth a year ago, just like he is now, but Mark chose to interview ONE candidate for the job. I don’t support MyGuy or DA. I support continuity, or at least the hope of it.
If you didn’t get it already, Mark has no vision for this franchise. HE HAS TO HIRE OUT FOR THAT.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:13 pm
“Yeah he kicked me…I wasn’t fixing to take that. I’m a grown-ass man.” – #Raiders DT #TommyKelly, on #Panthers QB #CamNewton
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And that’s why you’ll soon be unemployed.
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U are crazy an actual winning team will pick up tommy kelly, someone like the Patriots or seahawks, maybe even the NYG giants.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie agrees they can be a playoff team
Posted by Darin Gantt on July 26, 2012, 10:28 AM EST
For a team that hasn’t had a winning season or a playoff berth since 2002, there’s a lot of confidence flowing through the Raiders organization.
Quarterback Carson Palmer declared last weekend he thought they were a playoff team, and new General Manager Reggie McKenzie doesn’t disagree.
“I think after being around these guys the whole offseason, being around the coaching staff and the players, I definitely think we have the makeup of being a playoff team,” McKenzie said, via Monte Poole of the Bay Area News Group. “I feel what Carson is saying, as far as where we’re headed. We’re headed in the direction to where we can get there.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/26/raiders-gm-reggie-mckenzie-agrees-they-can-be-a-playoff-team/
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Reality
You failed to address my point regarding last year’s melt down with a team we could not afford.
Where was the coaching mystique offensively against the Packers? A good barometer against a playoff team and we got emabarrassed.CRUSHED!!!!
I am not for a minute saying that this coaching staff is better or worse than any other we have had for the last ten years.
My point always has been that talent is 80% of the mix and coaching is 20%
If you actually think Mr Davis and the organization drafted as poorly in their entire involvement with the Raiders as they have for the last ten years you do not know football. I have lived and died with the Raiders since 63′ I know what winning football looks like.
I also know that NO coaching staff will win with the talent we have.
O wait a minute, I think the last ten years have proven that.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Mr. Davis should have hired a GM in 2003.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
REGGIE told Mark on the plane. No 5 letter words only 4.
Knapp!
But Mark said no ! You said no 4 letter words – Crap Knapp
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Says: Hopefully the CChargers beat us by like 50 pts next week so Mark has no choice but to act.
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That’s plain wrong. If MD thinks DA has to go he will know it by now and don’t be asking for the Dischargers to beat us by 50 points and expect to be taken as a Raider fan.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:18 pm
BumpNRun Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Clownish DA/Chubby Checker supporters already making excuses for 2013 and 2014.
If Mark lets these imbeciles run things next year and we somehow go 7-9 these sames guys will act like we’re on a path to greatness.
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Mark shouldn’t have hired RM in the first place. Gruden was in an announcer’s booth a year ago, just like he is now, but Mark chose to interview ONE candidate for the job. I don’t support MyGuy or DA. I support continuity, or at least the hope of it.
If you didn’t get it already, Mark has no vision for this franchise. HE HAS TO HIRE OUT FOR THAT.
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They had lost an iconic owner, and father of the franchise and its second owner
they had no draft picks
they had little time to make critical decisions as the draft loomed closely
some of the best people wouldnt come here, or were prevented from interviewing
it appears Hue Jacksons outburst after S.Diego – did him in
maybe Mike McCoy of Denver was the better hire – then again, Peyton Manning can make you look great.
Too difficult a decision to make, too soon with an impatient fan base expecting a return to greatness after a meddling once-great owner passed on.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:19 pm
appears Hue Jacksons outburst after S.Diego – did him in
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I know its wierd to actually have a coach that cares about winnining
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Watching Dennis Allen’s demeanor, I honestly don’t think he even wants to be here. He has realized that the job is bigger than him and I don’t think he ever liked the Raider nation or its history or legacy he just wanted to move up the ladder and was able to sucker Reggie into buying it. When you avoid the fans, stand quietly on the sidelines during games, smirk in the press conference and act as though you don’t care, its pretty obvious. I don’t think he would mind much getting fired. He would get paid off anyway, bad mouth the organization on the way out, and get a chance to go back to New Orleans with his butt boy Seany P as DC next year.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Mr. Davis should have hired a GM in 2003.
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Hey Charlie I agree but maybe a little earlier? I am convinced AL’s input as a defacto GM cost at least another Superbowl win in the 1980’s. What was Marc Wilson all about?
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:20 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie agrees they can be a playoff team
Posted by Darin Gantt on July 26, 2012, 10:28 AM EST
For a team that hasn’t had a winning season or a playoff berth since 2002, there’s a lot of confidence flowing through the Raiders organization.
Quarterback Carson Palmer declared last weekend he thought they were a playoff team, and new General Manager Reggie McKenzie doesn’t disagree.
“I think after being around these guys the whole offseason, being around the coaching staff and the players, I definitely think we have the makeup of being a playoff team,” McKenzie said, via Monte Poole of the Bay Area News Group. “I feel what Carson is saying, as far as where we’re headed. We’re headed in the direction to where we can get there.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/26/raiders-gm-reggie-mckenzie-agrees-they-can-be-a-playoff-team/
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Insanity. Hopefully, they have the wake up call, and will draw up the blueprint as best they can.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:21 pm
49ers getting 2.5 or Seahawks tonight?
I think the Niners are the better team, but Sea at home scares me.
Still, I think …
Kaepernick > Wilson
49ers D > Seahawks D
Harbaugh > Carroll
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Panthers, 4-1 in their last 5 games. Thats improvement. Staying competitive, even though they arent going to the playoffs, theyre still moving things in the right direction.
Raiders are 1-7 in their last 8 games. The won win was against KC, who is the only team keeping us from being the worst in the league.
Sorry, no matter how you slice, the team is not in good hands.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Reality
You failed to address my point regarding last year’s melt down with a team we could not afford.
Where was the coaching mystique offensively against the Packers? A good barometer against a playoff team and we got emabarrassed.CRUSHED!!!!
I am not for a minute saying that this coaching staff is better or worse than any other we have had for the last ten years.
My point always has been that talent is 80% of the mix and coaching is 20%
If you actually think Mr Davis and the organization drafted as poorly in their entire involvement with the Raiders as they have for the last ten years you do not know football. I have lived and died with the Raiders since 63′ I know what winning football looks like.
I also know that NO coaching staff will win with the talent we have.
O wait a minute, I think the last ten years have proven that.
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I didn’t fail to address anything. You are confusing me with someone else, perhaps. Your post to me made no mention of the melt down with a team we cannot afford. Here I am addressing it now. Kick Routt and Wimbley to the curb. Boom, we can now afford it. They are the difference between 8-8 and 4-11?
I’m sure you still will not address that point. You say I don’t address your phantom points but you refuse to address those I actually post and address to you.
And I’m not saying Hue was the answer. Hue is gone. It’s history at this stage. My point is that this staff STINKS OUT LOUD!
As for your comment claiming that I stated Davis has always drafted poorly. Perhaps you should brush up on your reading comprehension. I gave you a few coaching examples that had to deal with his bad drafting within THE PAST 10 YEARS. NOT OUR ENTIRE HISTORY. Is the past 10 years not what you’ve been complaining about?
Dam, dude. Pay attention.
As for this comment: “I have lived and died with the Raiders since 63′ I know what winning football looks like.”
Coming from someone that is trying to defend this garbage, I just have to LMFAO!
Some of you are friggin hilarious.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:23 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Watching Dennis Allen’s demeanor, I honestly don’t think he even wants to be here. He has realized that the job is bigger than him and I don’t think he ever liked the Raider nation or its history or legacy he just wanted to move up the ladder and was able to sucker Reggie into buying it. When you avoid the fans, stand quietly on the sidelines during games, smirk in the press conference and act as though you don’t care, its pretty obvious. I don’t think he would mind much getting fired. He would get paid off anyway, bad mouth the organization on the way out, and get a chance to go back to New Orleans with his butt boy Seany P as DC next year.
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DA may not be the coach for the Raiders or any other team in the NFL but I am sure he cares. Why wouldn’t he care? As for side line antics well they work for guys but not others. Not everyone is a John Madden or Mike Dikta type. I seem to remember Tom Landry winning a few titles and Bellichick too!
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:23 pm
How many times has that stretch play worked on 3rd & short?
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All running plays on 3rd or 4th and 1 in the entire NFL are under 50%.
Stretch play is a stupid play-call, just like the toss wide to Darren today, or the run up the middle to the FB earlier this season.
Don’t just single out the “Stretch play”, every single one of our various 3rd and 1 runs have failed, sans the QB sneak.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:23 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:07 pm
LondonAl Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
My heart sank when Gruden left. Even before I read about the trade I knew in my heart that Al Davis was putting himself before the team and the fans. He did the same thing with Marcus Allen. He also ran our greatest QB in the history of the franchise out of town, The Snake. Anyhow ten years later on and look at us? We are a joke on the field. This team will have to go through a few more years of being beaten before we are truly competetive again (last year’s 8-8 was done to playing in a weak division/weak schedule).
In the meantime we must trust MD/RM to do the right things. That’s all we can do.
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Anybody think Greg Papa and Hub Arkush ran the Gruden thing just to spite Dennis Allen? Or just to give hope to the fan base?
I mean Allen hasnt got anybody that has supported him since he got here…. and he didnt do any favors after all that smiling after a blow out loss up in Denver.
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Hub Arkush has no interest in making Raider fans feel better and no axe to grind with DA that i’m aware of.
I think it’s all real and that Gruden met with Mark Davis…but turned him down.
For everyone overly concerned about our “image” it would only improve in a Gruden scenario.
I couldn’t care less if some dumb announcer from Minnesota thinks “we’re doing it the right way”.
Gruden isn’t coming imo. but it doesn’t make it a bad idea.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:24 pm
CDERaider Says:
Watching Dennis Allen’s demeanor, I honestly don’t think he even wants to be here. He has realized that the job is bigger than him and I don’t think he ever liked the Raider nation or its history or legacy he just wanted to move up the ladder and was able to sucker Reggie into buying it.
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There sure are a lot of mental telepathics on this blog. They know exactly what Mark Davis, Dennis Allen, Carson Palmer and Jon Gruden are all thinking. Wonder why you guys can’t channel those skills into winning millions of dollars at the poker table.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:25 pm
bad mouth the organization on the way out,
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And that does not help our next coaching search one-bit, and how we end up with the Dennis Allen’s of the world coaching us in the first place.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Did Knapp run three screens in row or three thousand screens in a row?
I lost count.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:27 pm
LondonAl Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Says: Hopefully the CChargers beat us by like 50 pts next week so Mark has no choice but to act.
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That’s plain wrong. If MD thinks DA has to go he will know it by now and don’t be asking for the Dischargers to beat us by 50 points and expect to be taken as a Raider fan.
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I’m rooting for some real success for the Raiders. Some long-term excellence. I believe for that to happen we need a completely new coaching staff in place.
I’m not sure Mark has the stones to do that after this year. I think the only hope of that happening is for it to get really, really, really ugly.
I could give two crapz about beating SD to get to 5-11 and hurt our draft position.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Vegas, the only thing your boy calls on 3rd and short is the stretch play. It hasn’t worked since the first preseason game.
Have you checked his wonderlic number?
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
Palmer said I fell down and I can’t get up !HE told Amy to call the -SCOOTER STORE to see if he apply !!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:27 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Did Knapp run three screens in row or three thousand screens in a row?
I lost count.
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It was quite a sad display.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Demeanor is misleading. Not everyone looks like Chucky.
You guys may feel better but the reality is guys like Landry and Noll and Walsh all were calm on the sidelines.
Again, I am as frustrated as all of you but the problem is much more a lack of on the field talent than poor coaching.
Many of you do not like that because it takes us down a longer road before any pay off occurs.
I have followed the Raiders since 63′ and I am confident that we will build a winner through the draft but without enough high round picks this will take 3-5 years. We will draft for unspectacular types who play in the box. No quick free agent fixes.
I know it stinks but I have seen this play out many times before.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Does DA want to be here? Who knows? He’d probably prefer to be head coach of the Saints or Doncs. Don’t think he really understands the RAIDER ORGANISATION or NATION. Actually, a better fit for this organisation at the time would have been Jack Del Rio.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Tom Flores may be old and drink too much, but I imagine he’s forgotten way more football than all the posters here, Cork and Jerry, and all of Knapp’s apologists combined. And every week he has occasion to express his bewilderment at much of Knapp’s play calling. WTF?
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Funny you mentioned that, when they cut back to flores and papa when DA was doing his presser flores laughed at him….
DA is the joker
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:31 pm
I seem to remember Tom Landry winning a few titles and Bellichick too!
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You’re comparing Dennis Allen to Tom Landry and Bill Bellichick?
Seriously?
Wow, DA tanks a playoff contender and he’s being compared to 2 of the greatest coaches in the history of the game?
Wow…
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Thec Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Tom Flores may be old and drink too much, but I imagine he’s forgotten way more football than all the posters here, Cork and Jerry, and all of Knapp’s apologists combined. And every week he has occasion to express his bewilderment at much of Knapp’s play calling. WTF?
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Funny you mentioned that, when they cut back to flores and papa when DA was doing his presser flores laughed at him….
DA is the joker
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Hmm…..Charlie, you think Flores knows a thing or two about winning football? Think he’s seen any in his time? LOL. Guess he doesn’t agree with you on DA.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Chris In NY Says:
I could give two crapz about beating SD to get to 5-11 and hurt our draft position.
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You’re really that concerned about dropping one spot on the draft board? That’s comical man.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Status quo attitude from DA during post game interview! The guy doesn’t appear to be HC material. Unfortunatly it took half the season for us to realize this (maybe sooner for some)! You play like you practice and practice like you play. The attitude of this team is just pathetic! We are in for some long, long seasons folks!
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:31 pm
I seem to remember Tom Landry winning a few titles and Bellichick too!
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You’re comparing Dennis Allen to Tom Landry and Bill Bellichick?
Seriously?
Wow, DA tanks a playoff contender and he’s being compared to 2 of the greatest coaches in the history of the game?
Wow…
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Seriously.
Some people couldn’t wait to get rid of Al Davis and have the Raiders conform and act just like the other 31 teams in the NFL.
They can’t comprehend that we could (and are) much worse off now doing things like everyone else.
So they cling to anything they can think of to justify the new regime, no matter how outlandish or delusional it is to any fan who’s been closely watching this team.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:35 pm
We are in for some long, long seasons folks!
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Actually the opposite, the seasons will be over by Thanksgiving. The previous 2 seasons we actually had a long season where we were in it through week 17 – now its done by week 10.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:36 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:35 pm
We are in for some long, long seasons folks!
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Actually the opposite, the seasons will be over by Thanksgiving. The previous 2 seasons we actually had a long season where we were in it through week 17 – now its done by week 10.
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LOL!
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:36 pm
507,
All we are missing is a 2nd rounder and a 5th (?) next yr. which a good GM can acquire.
The Colts could use every excuse in the world with a rookie QB a makeshift oline a rookie HC…who isn’t even coaching, a new GM etc. etc. etc.
Colts and Rams both go 2-14 and are in the hunt this yr. for the playoffs.
The Rams had a couple more picks that what we’ll have next yr. Big deal, Two players that may or may not work out anyway.
If that legendary organization called the St. Louis Rams can turn it around a good GM should be able to as well.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:37 pm
McMunbles had a CLEAN SLATE to work with.
He brings in DA, and knapp…utter fail
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Chris In NY Says:
I could give two crapz about beating SD to get to 5-11 and hurt our draft position.
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You’re really that concerned about dropping one spot on the draft board? That’s comical man.
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There are a lot of 4 and 5 win teams heading into next week. Don’t know how all the tiebreakers would play out, but I’m guessing a win next week could drop us like 5 or 6 spots.
I would think we should be OK on tiebreakers because there’s a strength of victory component in there and 3 of our 4 wins have come against the 2-win Chiefs and 2-win Jaguars. Hard to imagine any team with a more pathetic slate of “victories.”
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
So Reality
What do you suggest?
Change the staff again? For the 8th time in 11 reasons?
If it were your livlihood and family having to relocate would you have the balls to do it?
Have you ever been relocated by an organization to take on a significant leadersip position?
What is your strategy?
I have offered mine. Build in the box talent through the draft and we will be competitive in 2014.
What is your Vision? Criticizing with no viable alternative is extraordinarily weak.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
DA does not deserve another year, he deserves to get rolled.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:31 pm
I seem to remember Tom Landry winning a few titles and Bellichick too!
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You’re comparing Dennis Allen to Tom Landry and Bill Bellichick?
Seriously?
Wow, DA tanks a playoff contender and he’s being compared to 2 of the greatest coaches in the history of the game?
Wow…
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No I said a calm sideline demeanor is not an obstacle to winning titles in the NFL ergo Landry Bellichick.
As for DA being a winner we’ll see in time whether it is here or elsewhere but jumping up and down on the sideline does not mean you are a winner.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Raider(since 1967)★
Don’t write so long – make it short – REGGIE can’t read so much. He’s at HOOTERS !
” WISH IT WAS AUGUST 15 th … Can’t wait.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Maybe it was the “rebel” in all of us that attracted us to THE RAIDERS, because AL in his early years didn’t conform and act like the other 31 teams in the NFL. Unfortunately, as I hate to admit it, he hung around too long instead of appointing another younger GM>
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I wonder if Mark Davis made the trip to Carolina? The 3000 mile plane ride home Mark: ‘Reggie, you’re doing a great job! Can’t wait till next season when everything’s going to be clicking and the commitment to a new era of excellence marches on.’ Reggie: ‘Yep, I am pleased with Dennis’ first year, next year will be even better! Stay the coarse, Rome was not built in a day.’
The players groan…
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Hold on to a green coach for continuity?
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Why is it other teams can turn on a dime in 1 year?
Wash, Sea, Indy…The fans do not have to play the “wait game”
Or
Lets give it time….Only with the NATION.
We have been waiting for a decade plus now.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Hold on to a green coach for continuity?
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Hell no…Fk that dude, run him outta the town ASAP.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Ah, so that’s it. You’re concerned about DA’s livelihood, eh? Well then, by all means, let’s keep the guy. Maybe he can cash checks and feed his family for 4 years while running this team into the ground. Meanwhile, Raider ticket sales reps will get laid off left and right for failing to sell tickets to watch this complete disaster of a team.
I suggest we find a competent head coach. How’s that for starters?
Weak is complaining about me not addressing the points you never made to me then ignoring all of my points. That is weak, my friend.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Hue was right, they went rebuild mode, and forgot to tell the “NATION”.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Think about that, 3 of our 4 wins are against 2-13 teams.
How pathetic and misleading is it that we’re even 4-11 right now? It’s actually worse than it looks.
And the win against Pitt required several breaks and some amazing play by Carson to just win by a FG. And that’s another non-playoff team in what was a home game for us.
P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Dumbass Coaches playing for their jobs, and they go with Leinart. You gotta go mfkr. Lol.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:44 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:24 pm
CDERaider Says:
Watching Dennis Allen’s demeanor, I honestly don’t think he even wants to be here. He has realized that the job is bigger than him and I don’t think he ever liked the Raider nation or its history or legacy he just wanted to move up the ladder and was able to sucker Reggie into buying it.
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There sure are a lot of mental telepathics on this blog. They know exactly what Mark Davis, Dennis Allen, Carson Palmer and Jon Gruden are all thinking. Wonder why you guys can’t channel those skills into winning millions of dollars at the poker table.
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I keep trying to use my ESP to get a glimpse into the head of Pryor. It keeps coming up blank.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:45 pm
I do not advocate violence however, I am suprised I have not read where a member of the NATION has went after DA.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Thec Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Hold on to a green coach for continuity?
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Hell no…Fk that dude, run him outta the town ASAP.
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Oh, but Charlie has been a fan since ‘63 and knows what winning football looks like. We must trust him that we have the next Landry on our hands. Besides, it’s tough for DA to move his family and have to relocate.
Also, we have been bad for the past 10 years and have also had high coaching turnover. Therefore, continuity = automatic success!
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:46 pm
If you really want continuity, fire him. Fire everyone. That’s the only “continuity” we’ve known.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Thec Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:45 pm
I do not advocate violence however, I am suprised I have not read where a member of the NATION has went after DA.
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Because we are not like Niner fan. Though we will keep getting labeled crooks and thugs, have no fear about that.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Kell, you would think they would say, liono looks like shat.
We can do some stuff around the kid, maybe even look competent….
DA – Joker
Knapp – Two Face
REG – Mumbles
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
529. TRS Basic econimics. Put a continual winning team on the field, and more fannies will fill up the seats at home games. As I’ve stated before RAIDERFAN has been more than loyal, showing up to watch this carp forced fed for the last 10+ years!
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Oh, but Charlie has been a fan since ‘63 and knows what winning football looks like. We must trust him that we have the next Landry on our hands. Besides, it’s tough for DA to move his family and have to relocate.
Also, we have been bad for the past 10 years and have also had high coaching turnover. Therefore, continuity = automatic success!
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What’s that dumb incoherent schit supposed to mean?
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:49 pm
You mean to tell me that you cannot design a game plan around TP to see if he can play or not????
DA said straight up that TP is not ready to be a backup QB, and liono throws whiffle balls…GTFOH
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:50 pm
He was being sarcastic kell… @post 540
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:50 pm
morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:38 pm
303Raider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Hue Jackson and The Bengals going to the playoffs.
A lot of you retards wanted Hue out after his last presses and those of us that supported Hue all said that was a huge mistake.
It’s a travesty to watch this team after 2 years of steady improvement.
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???? Hue is the assistant to the assistant coach of the DBs.
And the Bengals went to the playoffs last year too.
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LOL!
Don’t confuse them with reality.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Thec Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:49 pm
You mean to tell me that you cannot design a game plan around TP to see if he can play or not????
DA said straight up that TP is not ready to be a backup QB, and liono throws whiffle balls…GTFOH
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They throw a few trick plays to the monkey………
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
We have to wait another 3 years while DA figures it out.
Mean while, teams that sucked, SEA, WASH, and Indy lookin at playoffs….
Raider NATION continue to wait.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Yes. Reggie took over the worst situation in the history of sports.
He’s the only GM who has inherited salary cap issues in the history of the league.
Give him 10 years and a medal for the teams awesopme performance this yr.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
yes – Coach456
no – Plunketthead
yes – Carl Weathers
yes – Oakfshow
yes – The Big Banana
no – Seymour Bush
yes – Kiwi_Blade
yes – Big Pep
no – RaiderRockStar
yes – dDwight
no – Lefty12
no – J Hill
yes – C2E
no – Silverandblack666
yes – Tuckrulefool
yes – RaiderDanny
undecided – Kell
undecided – Morrilla
55 – 19
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
+++++++++++++++++++
Add me in there. A BIG A$$ YES!!!! FOR GRUDEN
I think even if he went 7-9 or 8-8 in his first year or two, I think a lot more people will be more patient with him. There’s a lot of work to be done in this team, and it would take a lot to turn it around in just one season. But Gruden would be a big shot of energy and passion for this organization. Hell, he might even bring back Allen too. (Not DA).
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
533. Zymurge. I’m also using my ESP to get a glimpse into the head of the coaching (?) and playing staff (?), and it also comes up blank!
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
At this point, theres no point arguing with the people in the pro-Dennis Allen boat. A couple of reasons. One, Im not sure they really exist outside of the internet, and that may be just to irritate people. I havent met one Dennis Allen supporter in person, and I know more thn my fair share of Raiders fans. Two, if they do exist, its probably about 2% of the entire Raider Nation, so I dont deem that as a big enough percentage to even entertain an argument with them anymore. The bottom line is MOST Raiders fans, yes, the MAJORITY do not like or support Dennis Allen. Mark knows this. Dennis’ days are numbered. So, with that said, how do we fix this thing next season?
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Thec Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
We have to wait another 3 years while DA figures it out.
Mean while, teams that sucked, SEA, WASH, and Indy lookin at playoffs….
Raider NATION continue to wait.
—
I guess the Colts fans wanted a quick fix too….and they got it. How about the Rams? Them too.
Somehow they figured out a way despite it all.
I thought it takes at least 5 yr’s?
I guess it’s much easier turning around a 2-14 team than one with consecutive 8-8 seasons.
Makes total sense.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Oh, but Charlie has been a fan since ‘63 and knows what winning football looks like. We must trust him that we have the next Landry on our hands. Besides, it’s tough for DA to move his family and have to relocate.
Also, we have been bad for the past 10 years and have also had high coaching turnover. Therefore, continuity = automatic success!
———————
What’s that dumb incoherent schit supposed to mean?
==========================================
It’s called sarcasm, and it was in reference to Charlie’s comments. If you’re not paying attention to his or my posts, then stay the fk out of my business. I wasn’t posting to you anyway.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Thec Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
We have to wait another 3 years while DA figures it out.
Mean while, teams that sucked, SEA, WASH, and Indy lookin at playoffs….
Raider NATION continue to wait.
—
I guess the Colts fans wanted a quick fix too….and they got it. How about the Rams? Them too.
Somehow they figured out a way despite it all.
I thought it takes at least 5 yr’s?
I guess it’s much easier turning around a 2-14 team than one with consecutive 8-8 seasons.
Makes total sense.
——————–
With the exception of Andrew Luck, I think we have as much or more talent than those teams.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
533. Zymurge. I’m also using my ESP to get a glimpse into the head of the coaching (?) and playing staff (?), and it also comes up blank!
=====
Hey, they’re smart enough to keep Pryor off the field as a regular QB. That alone proves that they know more than everyone in here combined.
Unlike Pryor, they (at least the young’uns Tarver and DA) have a bright future in the NFL and will get better with more seasoning.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
549. Easy JDB. Successful people are willing to compromise when they realise they’ve made an honest mistake. The ball (so to speak) is now in the hands of more importantly Marc and Reggie.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
yes – Jesusraiderjim
yes – raider riff
yes – MiamiRaider78
yes – JONGRUDEN2013
yes – eastoaklandraider
yes – Poprox13
yes – Nw8r
yes – Greg Papa
yes – Jackie Bibby
yes – RaiderLen
yes – Dakota
yes – Kirk
yes – Fingers
yes – GG
yes – RaiderJambo
yes – JLofty
yes – RaidingTexas
no – Zymurge
yes – Inonewordraider
yes – Hendu
yes – RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
yes – GreatWhiteRaider
no – ESTERIK78
yes – Chuck
yes – VanHeathen30
yes – Godeep
no – Just Win Baby
yes – Rich Gannon
no – ArtilleryShell
yes – MEX_GHOST
no – JB
yes – Chris in NY
no – 8RaiderReign8
yes – MaddenRaiderisadouchebag
no – Raider Guy
no – Purvisman
yes – Al_is_theraiders
yes – Rudegruden
yes – CDERaider
yes – Zopi
yes – R8eray
yes – R8drinOK
no – Shutdown
yes – RaiderSam
yes – DJ Johnny
no – Jackasspuria
no – RaiderDuck
yes – RaidO
yes – Sullivan44
yes – 303Raider
yes – 504 Raider
yes – DT42
yes – Try Some Reality
yes – Back-N-Black
yes – Dr Roberts
no – SnB Offense Defense Specialteams
no – McFadden20
yes – Youngtex47
yes – Coach456
no – Plunketthead
yes – Carl Weathers
yes – Oakfshow
yes – The Big Banana
no – Seymour Bush
yes – Kiwi_Blade
yes – Big Pep
no – RaiderRockStar
yes – dDwight
no – Lefty12
no – J Hill
yes – C2E
no – Silverandblack666
yes – Tuckrulefool
yes – RaiderDanny
undecided – Kell
undecided – Morrilla
55 – 19
(DISCLAIMER: for the HC position only, we agree we dont want Gruden as GM/HC)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Not that it matters because it’s not happening since he likes his current job.
But……………………………….NO.
That’s over, that’s done, it-is-a-dead-pigeon.
You might as well call for Madden or Flores to come back.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
zyturd, zytard zymurge. Lmao what a loser.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Pryor says he knows the playbook front and back.
Yet the coaches give him a 2 trick plays? That’s a look?
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Reality
Still no vision?
Who would you have hired and how would you have gone about doing it given the reality qouted below?
Reggie quote:
“Guys, I mean what happened this offseason, I don’t wish that on anybody, maybe the other teams in our division. That was a struggle, especially coming in here as a rookie GM. I remember talking to Ted Thompson. His rookie year he was able to get Charles Woodson. I would have liked to have done that. I talked to guys all around the league. I didn’t realize what the situation, how difficult and what other people thought about it. When you get the job people call and say, ‘What are you going to do with that cap? You’re all what over the cap. How are you going to do that?’ We can get it done because you got to.
You want the players to doggone take it upon themselves and run it. We’re not at that level.”
Viable coaching candidates know what the challenge is in Oakland. That is why names such as Dennis Green, Bill Parcells, Sean Payton and Whisenhunt walked away in the past. (How are those guys doing by the way?)
My vision is that we maintain coaching continuity and get better players in the box with our top three picks over the next two drafts.
Sorry- no quick fix. Just hard work.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Anyone who supports DA is a straight imbecile, and thats a fact.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
533. Zymurge. I’m also using my ESP to get a glimpse into the head of the coaching (?) and playing staff (?), and it also comes up blank!
=====
Hey, they’re smart enough to keep Pryor off the field as a regular QB. That alone proves that they know more than everyone in here combined.
Unlike Pryor, they (at least the young’uns Tarver and DA) have a bright future in the NFL and will get better with more seasoning.
————————————————-
Just curious, what is it that gives you confidence that DA and Tarver will be successful, or have a bright future? What exactly are you basing that on?
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
553. Zymurge. As crazy as it may sound I agree Tarver as a DC does have a bright future in the NFL. I like his intensity, and realise he is dealing with cards he was dealt with. As for DA, I don’t think he is head coaching material yet. Still not seasoned enough, and won’t be the first rookie head coach who has failed miserably.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Im still in disbelief…
How in G*ds name did Leinert stay in ALL GAME?
I think the conspirators are spot on.
they KNOW Pryor can ONLY make them look foolish at this point.
No UPSIDE for the CLOWNE COACHE CADRE if they play him.
of course MASSIVE potential upside for the RAIDER FRANCHISE and FAN BASE if he plays but thats now what these a55has are covering right now….
They have make the calculation to SAVE ARSE at all costs. Playing Pryor could have destroyed them had he succeeded. “WHY HAS HE BEEN ON ICE”?
now if you DONT play him then we will never know. Playing him and he does poorly doesnt have much upside or downside fo the CCC so no use in playing him.
AVOID THE BIG DOWNSIDE potential. That is, PRYOR lights it up.
Pretty much it.
In any case?
FIRE THe CLOWNE COACHE CADRE, STAT!
Go*d i am praying the Mark Davis isnt Mike Brown.
PLEASE have a clue this offseason….
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
John David Booty Says:
Dennis’ days are numbered. So, with that said, how do we fix this thing next season?
——————————————-
Its probably easier than it seems. Hire Jack Del Rio as HC and kick Sharpie back to the Broncahoes.. Del Rio, very experienced, ex-player that commands respect, a bay area guy with ties to the Raiders. Reinstate Al Saunders as OC go back to power offense with Palmer and DMAC the focus. With a solid draft focused on Defense and Del Rio running the ship, I am certain we would be back in the playoff discussion with the division still being relatively weak.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Im still in disbelief…
How in G*ds name did Leinert stay in ALL GAME?
I think the conspirators are spot on.
they KNOW Pryor can ONLY make them look foolish at this point.
No UPSIDE for the CLOWNE COACHE CADRE if they play him.
of course MASSIVE potential upside for the RAIDER FRANCHISE and FAN BASE if he plays but thats now what these a55has are covering right now….
They have make the calculation to SAVE ARSE at all costs. Playing Pryor could have destroyed them had he succeeded. “WHY HAS HE BEEN ON ICE”?
now if you DONT play him then we will never know. Playing him and he does poorly doesnt have much upside or downside fo the CCC so no use in playing him.
AVOID THE BIG DOWNSIDE potential. That is, PRYOR lights it up.
Pretty much it.
In any case?
FIRE THE CLOWNE COACHE CADRE, STAT!
G*d i am praying the Mark Davis isnt Mike Brown.
PLEASE have a clue this offseason….
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Anyone who supports DA is a straight imbecile, and thats a fact.
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Not crooked or cattywhompus imbecile? Straight?
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Jac
kie Bibby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Anyone who supports DA is a straight imbecile, and thats a fact.
===============
If it’s your opinion, it can’t be a fact. My comment isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
==========================================
Put me down as yes.
BUT….sequels are never as good as the original.
Except, “The Empire Strikes Back”.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
At this point, theres no point arguing with the people in the pro-Dennis Allen boat. A couple of reasons. One, Im not sure they really exist outside of the internet, and that may be just to irritate people. I havent met one Dennis Allen supporter in person, and I know more thn my fair share of Raiders fans. Two, if they do exist, its probably about 2% of the entire Raider Nation, so I dont deem that as a big enough percentage to even entertain an argument with them anymore. The bottom line is MOST Raiders fans, yes, the MAJORITY do not like or support Dennis Allen. Mark knows this. Dennis’ days are numbered. So, with that said, how do we fix this thing next season?
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Most Raiders fans have lost every ounce of patience and are only going to be satisfied with instant gratification at this point. The ones I speak with, and that includes myself (damned voices in my head!) aren’t sold on DA as either good or bad yet but all agree that we won’t know until he’s had a couple of years under his belt and at least one season in a non-completely-salary-cap-hosed-roster season to see what he can do.
Put another way, I support continuity and letting a very young coach that many football people (as in the people paid for that role not us know-it-all bloggers) thought highly of develop. I think that’s the better option than yet another change.
I expected a 3-4 win season with the combination of rookies at GM, HC and DC along with a completely whack cap situation and saw that as investment in a better future. The key to any good investment is to know what your exit criteria is. In this case, for a one year exit I would have expected a complete meltdown, like 1 or less wins and no positive signs. In this case, I think seeing the positives of:
- Improved the penalty problem that many failed at over the years
- Established a meritocracy where players that earn it play and those playing on scholarship only (see: McClain, Rolando) get replaced.
- Showing the seeds of a good defensive system despite having subpar talent. You gotta agree that the starting 11 on the defense that has played well the past few games is undermanned. Picture this same unit with some draft or FA help at just one each of DE, MLB and CB.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:08 pm
I agree on Tarver – he has fire and creativity and looks like a Raider – have Del Rio continue to mentor him and keep him on staff as DC – would save us money and give the D some continuity.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Pryor says he knows the playbook front and back.
Yet the coaches give him a 2 trick plays? That’s a look?
++++++
If you look at the interview someone posted of him after today’s game you can tell he was disappointed and even a bit frustrated at how many plays he got. Specially since Palmer went down. I really don’t know why they just won’t play him a bit more. At this point, it’s a bit strange.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Im still in disbelief…
How in G*ds name did Leinert stay in ALL GAME?
I think the conspirators are spot on.
they KNOW Pryor can ONLY make them look foolish at this point.
No UPSIDE for the CLOWNE COACHE CADRE if they play him.
of course MASSIVE potential upside for the RAIDER FRANCHISE and FAN BASE if he plays but thats now what these a55has are covering right now….
They have make the calculation to SAVE ARSE at all costs. Playing Pryor could have destroyed them had he succeeded. “WHY HAS HE BEEN ON ICE”?
now if you DONT play him then we will never know. Playing him and he does poorly doesnt have much upside or downside fo the CCC so no use in playing him.
AVOID THE BIG DOWNSIDE potential. That is, PRYOR lights it up.
Pretty much it.
In any case?
FIRE THe CLOWNE COACHE CADRE, STAT!
Go*d i am praying the Mark Davis isnt Mike Brown.
PLEASE have a clue this offseason….
=====
whatever you say mistic
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Anyone who supports DA is a straight imbecile, and thats a fact.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
No…although anyone who makes a statement like that is certainly an imbecile.
Given to hyperbole much?
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Did Palmer reach 4,000 today? If not, that’s the goal this week. It means millions to him.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
See my post 558.
Why would Gruden want to do it?
To make you feel good?
To put up with your expectation of a quick turnaround when he knows it is a massive undertaking?
He can make as much money broadcasting as he can in coaching.
It is funny how fans in Philly thought he was a knucklehead as an OC. Never got enough touches for Garner. Too many screens.
They used to say the same things about Gruden that you guys do about Knapp.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
EMRaiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Pryor says he knows the playbook front and back.
Yet the coaches give him a 2 trick plays? That’s a look?
++++++
If you look at the interview someone posted of him after today’s game you can tell he was disappointed and even a bit frustrated at how many plays he got. Specially since Palmer went down. I really don’t know why they just won’t play him a bit more. At this point, it’s a bit strange.
=====================
Let Pryor take all reps this week and turn him loose.
Why not?
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Reggie didn’t expect a 4 win season – he said so publicly before the season – he expected the 2012 team to be in the playoffs. Now, his vibe is more ‘We knew it was going to be struggle this year..’
BullSchite – DA screwed this team up and its time for action.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:08 pm
I agree on Tarver – he has fire and creativity and looks like a Raider – have Del Rio continue to mentor him and keep him on staff as DC – would save us money and give the D some continuity.
====
What we don’t know is how much of the defense is Tarver and how much is DA coaching through Tarver. Let’s not forget that DA’s root are as a DC where he has more NFL experience than Tarver. For all we know, the system is 100% DA and Tarver is his protege.
Not to say that I don’t like Tarver, but just that we don’t know how much credit each of them get.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Pryor should get the start next week. Leinart should never throw another pass as a Raider. Another terrible FA signing.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:15 pm
I would have been satisfied with just Knapp being fired. Not anymore DA’s got to go too. Don’t know what his qualifications were in the first place.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Sweep The Leg. Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
EMRaiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Pryor says he knows the playbook front and back.
Yet the coaches give him a 2 trick plays? That’s a look?
++++++
If you look at the interview someone posted of him after today’s game you can tell he was disappointed and even a bit frustrated at how many plays he got. Specially since Palmer went down. I really don’t know why they just won’t play him a bit more. At this point, it’s a bit strange.
=====================
Let Pryor take all reps this week and turn him loose.
Why not?
——-
Not going to happen. After today it’s pretty clear. TP is a done deal.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Reggie can’t come out during the pre season and say “we should compete for a playoff spot, be pretty good” and then have the WORST stretch of defeats EVER on the way to a 4-12 season that saw us barely be competitive. Then come out and say that we were too thin on the roster when it doesn’t happen.
He’s a LIAR and a Fool!
This fan base deserves better, much better…
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Sweep The Leg. Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 7th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Without going into detail lets just get a blog survey of yes or no for GRUDEN as HC only (no GM powers)
PROPOSITION GRUDEN
yes no
==========================================
Put me down as yes.
BUT….sequels are never as good as the original.
Except, “The Empire Strikes Back”.
+++++++++++++++++++++
Perfect name for a Raiders comeback season. And who better to lead it than Chucky.
“Chucky Returns” and “The Empire Strikes Back”…. I can see it now. The marketing for this has no limits!…
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:17 pm
DA is a panty waste who doesn’t have the respect of his players….
The D is just as reckless as ever, and the O, still takes penalties at the worst possible times.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Al really screwed us, he should of hired a GM years ago and let him take over. He knew his health was bad. I’d say its going to be 3 years before we get this mess fixed
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Reggie seems overwhelmed/shocked. This team regressed plain and simple.
They tried to fix what wasn’t broke, and didn’t fix what was.
I’m think there must be a coaching change even if that means admitting his own
failure to picking the right guy.
It’s been one face plant after another this year.
In my gut I think DA should be gone, but somehow I think they rationalize things
and he stays.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Zymurge I see your point, but I gotta think its Tarver and not DA. Watching the pressers, Tarver articulates about the scheme, game plans, execution, etc so def running the show on D.
DA on the other hand, well between all the humming and hawing and the ‘we gotta do a better job’ – I don’t think anybody thinks he knows what he’s doing. Plus lets be honest he was a DC for one season under a heck of a Defensive mind in Fox.
DA is nothing more than a position coach – maybe a decent DC someday – def not head coach material..
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Yes, your point exactly. They want Raider fans that knew the Raiders were close to the playoff to over look the incompetence of how this coaching staff was put together. Reggie’s gut feeling and DA 20th ranked defense in the league. That was solid decision making in Mark’s eyes? And it does not get any better with the choices DA made!!! Mistakes,Mistakes and Mistakes.
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554.Raiderjambo Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
549. Easy JDB. Successful people are willing to compromise when they realise they’ve made an honest mistake. The ball (so to speak) is now in the hands of more importantly Marc and Reggie.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Looking at the schedule next week, before kickoff we should know exactly where we are drafting, win or lose.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:20 pm
577. No problem with DA help coaching “D” if Tarver is struggling in his first NFL season as Defensive coach. However, on the other side of the ball if the offense is also struggling, then DA as “Head Coach”, has also got to understand this and make the necessary playcalling/adjustments to help our offense over the inept playcalling of Knapp.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:22 pm
The “New Stadium” is looking like more and more of a pipe dream, (crack pipe that is) with Mumbles and Pinnochio at the helm…4-12 teams don’t garner new billion dollar stadiums.
Wait until the tickets don’t sell, and the merch slows down, Mark will have the For Sale sign up sooner than he thinks
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Don’t know what his qualifications were in the first place.
*************************
His resume was EXACTLY the same as Mike Tomlin’s.
Super Bowl winning secondary coach, one year as a DC (his Vikings teamed finished 6-10), youngest HC hire in the NFL.
EXACTLY THE SAME
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I see I hurt the DA apologist feelings well to bad because I dont give af. I dont feel bad for blind mice. from 8-8 to 4-12 with two of the wins coming from the worst team in the league says it all. You guys who support such trash are imbeciles and youre all offended by my statements because the truth hurts. Dennis allen is an awful hc and has done nothing to prove otherwise, all he has are excuses for why he should come back blaming others. He has achieved nothing to give himself a case based off of his own accolades just excuses. He has no case to defend himself and neither does his lame @ZZ supporters. Just excuses… Which is why I consider him a sorry excuse for a coach.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
CDE – #586:
My point is that we can’t know. Being articulate in press conference is a different skill than creating a defensive system, getting guys bought into and teaching it, etc. I don’t think projecting from how they handle the pressers into their coaching competence is accurate.
I agree Tarver seems right on it and that DA’s answers are different but remember that they have very different roles. As HC he has to be more high level in what he talks about.
Also, let’s not forget that Allen selected Tarver, who was essentially a no name, as the guy he wanted. That means he found a guy that has a very similar philosophy as his and can help implement his vision.
In the end, it’s probably around 50/50 on the credit.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
584. Totally. Al must have known Mark was incompetent. I think maybe he expected Hue to be the guy who would take the GM role moving forward maybe that’s why Hue was saying the stuff he was but Mark made sure that didn’t happen.
Dennis Allen would make Al Davis furious. Talk about shades of Kiffin.. This guy is even *worse*. Mark is pissing on his Dad’s legacy.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Regarding Mark Davis’ thoughts regarding the Immaculate Reception posted recently in Bay Area news:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_22247390/poole-new-oakland-raiders-mark-davis-says-pain?source=most_viewed
I respond as follows:
Who cares about what happened 40 years ago? I want someone to care about what’s happened this year with the Raiders. Offensive Coordinator Greg Knapp has single-handedly emasculated what was a half-way decent offense last year. He’s put us another three years behind the eight ball. We are not even Pop warner quality right now. Why is Knapp still employed by the Raiders? Why isn’t Al Saunders calling the plays? Why is Dennis Allen so oblivious to what’s going on around him? Why hasn’t Reggie McKenzie gone out onto the field and kicked a certain Head Coach & some of his assistants square in the ass? Why hasn’t Mark Davis pulled out the overhead projector and dusted it off? Why haven’t some heads been lopped off? Everybody is just too damned complacent. All I can do regarding this fiasco is to complain and NOT repurchase next year’s season’s tickets. It’s time for some action BOTH on & off the field. Being an NFL bottom-dweller year after year has gotten old. The current effort is just not good enough.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:26 pm
DA will be back cause Mark can’t AFFORD to fire him and pay the contract…
Mark got taken to the cleaners by Reggie when he came in and re organized the biz from top down…Now Reg is the Man, and Mark is just along for the ride, no matter what Mark may say in public…As soon as Mark took over, he handed over the reigns…exactly the opposite of the old man.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I see I hurt the DA apologist feelings well to bad because I dont give af. I dont feel bad for blind mice. from 8-8 to 4-12 with two of the wins coming from the worst team in the league says it all. You guys who support such trash are imbeciles and youre all offended by my statements because the truth hurts. Dennis allen is an awful hc and has done nothing to prove otherwise, all he has are excuses for why he should come back blaming others. He has achieved nothing to give himself a case based off of his own accolades just excuses. He has no case to defend himself and neither does his lame @ZZ supporters. Just excuses… Which is why I consider him a sorry excuse for a coach.
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whatever you say mistic
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:29 pm
If we fire Reggie, who will Mark hire?
He relied on his dad’s buddies for Reggie, and held one interview.
He would have to hire a President of football operations or something like that.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:30 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:26 pm
DA will be back cause Mark can’t AFFORD to fire him and pay the contract…
Mark got taken to the cleaners by Reggie when he came in and re organized the biz from top down…Now Reg is the Man, and Mark is just along for the ride, no matter what Mark may say in public…As soon as Mark took over, he handed over the reigns…exactly the opposite of the old man.
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“Matt’s our back-up quarterback,” “Terrelle’s done a nice job. He’s working extremely hard. We don’t feel like he’s ready to be the backup quarterback yet, and we feel like Matt would give us the best chance.”
-Dennis Allen
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:31 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
584. Totally. Al must have known Mark was incompetent. I think maybe he expected Hue to be the guy who would take the GM role moving forward maybe that’s why Hue was saying the stuff he was but Mark made sure that didn’t happen.
Dennis Allen would make Al Davis furious. Talk about shades of Kiffin.. This guy is even *worse*. Mark is pissing on his Dad’s legacy.
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Agreed.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Rockstar…..looks like I am going to win the FF championship unless Rice lights it up tonight.
Sorry bro….but you were probably just happy to be there right?
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Lol so im mistic now? Haha thats funny.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Worst coaching staff in the league. Everybody who disagreed with me is stupid.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I would have rather seen the Raiders lose today with Pryor.
But instead they lost with a QB that we already knew was a career backup.
I understand that lienart is the #2, but in a meaningless game with matty sucking sht it was the perfect opportunity to play Pryor.
Who really gives a crap if TP failed? No big loss and the Raiders move on. At least we would know what he has to offer.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I don’t know any non-1st round pick QB’s or Pro Bowl QB’s, that a new organizational structure comes into and hitches their saddle to.
Especially unproven 3rd round picks.
TP was toast as soon as Al died.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Support? Haha, you think anyone at HQ gives two sh1ts about what people say on this blog? Are you kidding me?
I’m a realist, wanna know why no one has been fired yet? Because Reggie and Marc knew exactly what was going on with this season. Expect more of this next year. They are sandblasting this place, it’s happening and there is nothing that will stop it.
Keep typing your dissertations and wasting your time. Maybe write a letter to Mark or put up a billboard. SMH. You guys crack me up.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:37 pm
The only reason I can think of for DA to play Matt Leinart over Pryor today would be because DA knows Pryor sucks and also knows he had to win some late-season games to keep his job.
So maybe there is hope DA and this rancid coaching staff might be out after the season after all.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I would have rather seen the Raiders lose today with Pryor.
But instead they lost with a QB that we already knew was a career backup.
I understand that lienart is the #2, but in a meaningless game with matty sucking sht it was the perfect opportunity to play Pryor.
Who really gives a crap if TP failed? No big loss and the Raiders move on. At least we would know what he has to offer.
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Matt looked scared out there. Made me scared.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I don’t know any non-1st round pick QB’s or Pro Bowl QB’s, that a new organizational structure comes into and hitches their saddle to.
Especially unproven 3rd round picks.
TP was toast as soon as Al died.
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Don’t be surprised if Reggie goes after Flynn.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
I don’t think Mark is pissing on Al’s legacy. I think Al kinda began that process himself. But regardless of that, Mark was straight forward and came out and said that he knew what he didn’t know. And that he needed help on those things he didn’t know. He went out and consulted with what everyone considers “great minds of football” and they told him to hire Reggie. Reggie was the most coveted GM candidate at the time, and everyone agreed that this was the right, and a great hire.
Then Reggie went on his cross country bus tour in search of the next great Raider HC. And the candidates he interviewed were pretty lame. This, to me, was the first sign of things to come.
Then Allen goes and hires Knapp. And this is when I realized that we were in big trouble. But I still wanted to believe, and so I drank the kool-aid.
Now, to be fair, DA did get a lot of shut downs for much better candidates he wanted to interview at first, but still, that is no excuse for who he hired, and what happened this season.
Now the ball is back on Mark’s court. This offseason is when HIS legacy really begins. Will he take the necessary steps to hire a legitimate coaching staff, or will he stick to what he has now, and wait it out.
In my opinion, the only thing he has done wrong, is not interview more people for the GM position. Unfortunately, Hue pretty much fired himself when he opened his mouth about the GM position. I think it could’ve been worked out, and think he should have stayed, but no point in talking about that now. Remember, Mark came out and said that the move was made by Reggie, and Reggie said he did it because he wanted to bring in his own guy.
Rookie owner, rookie GM, rookie HC, rookie DC. And unfortunately, they all made rookie mistakes. Now they all get the chance to redeem themselves. Hopefully, Mark makes the first move.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
First things first
1.I believe RM can turn this around, several decades of mis management cannot be erased in one season.
2.Greg Napp must be fired, not tommorow, not after the season ends, NOW.
3.Still undecided on Allen.
4.At least the team showed some pride today, got in some scuffles, kick someone in the face, kick em in the balls, do what you have to do to win the game!!!!!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Is SD still in the hunt for the last wild card spot? If so, they may be inspired to win. Which, if they do, could expedite the firing commencement. What a dilema to have as a Raider fan.
Screw the draft pick. Do we want a win to go into the off season with a win and a false hope, or do we lose as to quicken the firing?
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Anyone have an example of another organization flipping over the GM and coaching staff, and them playing the unproven 3rd round pick at QB from the previous regime?
Seriously, I can’t think of one.
Life in the business side of the NFL for TP.
Bad break and I feel bad for the kid.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Lienart is a back-up.
Pryor is a prospect.
Lienart ain’t gonna win any games.
Pryor has more to play for. If he does not start vs SD, it will validate DAs dumbness.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Raiders for life Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I would have rather seen the Raiders lose today with Pryor.
But instead they lost with a QB that we already knew was a career backup.
I understand that lienart is the #2, but in a meaningless game with matty sucking sht it was the perfect opportunity to play Pryor.
Who really gives a crap if TP failed? No big loss and the Raiders move on. At least we would know what he has to offer.
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Agreed. At least had they played him there wouldn’t be this ongoing debate whether he’s worth a crap or not. We’d know. Dumb move on DA’s part. Time fir Reggie to show DA how it’s done by firing Knapp. Then DA could go on to fire a few others who deserve it.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
play like someone socked yo momma in the face while she was at church, play like somebody stole your baby mammas hand pumped breast milk, play like you care is all I ask !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FIRE NAPP NOW ARHGHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Rockstar, Marley, DAV, Dell, DMAC, Exla, Maverick, Palmerhead, SouthTexas, 666, and Vegas.
I am the Champ!
How’s my azz taste?
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Rookie owner, rookie GM, rookie HC, rookie DC. And unfortunately, they all made rookie mistakes. Now they all get the chance to redeem themselves. Hopefully, Mark makes the first move.
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Remember last off season how the “experts and talking heads” were calling for us to win 3-5 games? And 95% of us thought they were on heroin?
Yeah, they knew what was up.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Anyone have an example of another organization flipping over the GM and coaching staff, and them playing the unproven 3rd round pick at QB from the previous regime?
Seriously, I can’t think of one.
Life in the business side of the NFL for TP.
Bad break and I feel bad for the kid.
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We are a pathetic 4-11. Worse than a bad 4-11. Nothing to lose. Give the kid a shot. Might make DA look like a genious. Course with knapp as the play caller, might hurt Pryor more than it could do him good. So many problems with this coaching staff.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:49 pm
someone sock DA’s wife in the mouth , maby this will get him fired up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ARGHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Stink hole chargers got a outside chance at a the last wild card.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:52 pm
You want me to buy season tickets and watch this shi- ?
You want me to vote on a new stadium and watch this shi-?
You want my loyalty when you put this type of shi- out on the field ?
BAA HAH AHHA HAHAH HAHAH !!!!!!!!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Dennis Allen is the worse fkn coach I have ever seen ever!Includeing Art Shell.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
The great Houston Zone scheme will be knocked out in the first round.Book it now!
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Rookie owner, rookie GM, rookie HC, rookie DC. And unfortunately, they all made rookie mistakes. Now they all get the chance to redeem themselves. Hopefully, Mark makes the first move.
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Remember last off season how the “experts and talking heads” were calling for us to win 3-5 games? And 95% of us thought they were on heroin?
Yeah, they knew what was up.
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YEah, I remember…. Though I think they were picking that record based on our schedule, and not on our staff and players. At the time anyway.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Nothing to lose. Give the kid a shot. Might make DA look like a genious.
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DA has something to lose obviously, his job.
I am sure if Reggie guaranteed his job for next season, TP would play a helluva lot more.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
I think Romanowski and Lorenzo Neal nailed it today when they said the Reason Pryor hasn’t played much is because he’s not in the future plans…I think they’re right ….
And those that would be OK with Tim Tebow coming here.. Wash your mouths out with soap …and get help fast….
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
The great Houston Zone scheme will be knocked out in the first round.Book it now!
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That will be awfully tough to do with a first round bye
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
EMRaiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Rookie owner, rookie GM, rookie HC, rookie DC. And unfortunately, they all made rookie mistakes. Now they all get the chance to redeem themselves. Hopefully, Mark makes the first move.
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Remember last off season how the “experts and talking heads” were calling for us to win 3-5 games? And 95% of us thought they were on heroin?
Yeah, they knew what was up.
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YEah, I remember…. Though I think they were picking that record based on our schedule, and not on our staff and players. At the time anyway.
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Though now that I think about it, I think they probably took all that into consideration. I just think no one imagined it would be this bad.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Mystic? Isnt that an ice tea beverage?
Whatever there, brewmeister…
Zymurgy: the area of applied science related to
fermentation.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Ravens and Packers also are ZBS teams, will they be knocked out in the first round?
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
I just can’t see crappy knappy coming back but man, it haunts my dreams. There better be some major moves in the off season.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
The great Houston Zone scheme will be knocked out in the first round.Book it now!
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That will be awfully tough to do with a first round bye
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LOL!
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
EMRaiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Mark was straight forward and came out and said that he knew what he didn’t know. And that he needed help on those things he didn’t know. He went out and consulted with what everyone considers “great minds of football” and they told him to hire Reggie. Reggie was the most coveted GM candidate at the time, and everyone agreed that this was the right, and a great hire.
Then Reggie went on his cross country bus tour in search of the next great Raider HC. And the candidates he interviewed were pretty lame. This, to me, was the first sign of things to come.
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coaching choices
1. Joe DeCamillas
2. Mike McCoy (McCoy canceled in favor of Miami job when it was opened)
3. Pete Charmichael
4. Marty Mohrningweg
5. Todd Bowles
6. Dennis Allen
7. Winston Moss
8. Dom Capers
i think that was the extent – i think there was speculation on Mike Tice, but that was cut short as McKenzie had decided on Dennis Allen.
others that should have gotten speculation,,and could if Allen is let go include
Greg Roman and Vic Fangio of Niners. The plus of Fangio would be his experience and he could bring in secondary coach Ed Donatell as the DC.
but that is a pipe dream… Allen is the coach..if the Charger game is a blowout and Mark Davis is angered again – expect the “we will discuss the future of Dennis Allen”
i think that Gruden thing was run out on purpose to see how Allen would adjust. Maybe its still in play on the Q.T.?
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Stink hole chargers got a outside chance at a the last wild card.
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How high are you, because they were eliminated last week.
All the AFC playoff teams are accounted for.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
The great Houston Zone scheme will be knocked out in the first round.Book it now!
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That will be awfully tough to do with a first round bye
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Wouldnt New England open with Denver, Denver would upset them, and Houston would then beat Denver.?..assuming Houston gets past Indianapolis or whomever.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
This is nuts from an earlier post:
Cable to SEATTLE: Playoffs
Hue to CINCY: Playoffs
Knapp leaves HOUSTON: Playoffs
DA leaves DENVER: Playoffs
Reggie leaves GREEN BAY: Playoffs
The time is ripe for Gruden to return to Oakland. Only way to restore this franchise. Only hope. We had the pieces in place to win this year. Just a new DC woulda been fine. But no. We got to ruin everything that Coach Davis was finally putting back together. We were poised. We were at the doorstep. I rest my case.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Yeah THATS thE problem, LOL!
WHO TO GIVE THE ‘CREDIT’ TO FOR THIS GLORIOUS DEFENSE…
HELLO! Forgetting so quickly how BAD this d has been…ALL YEAR…?
This is funniest post of the night.
credit. HA!
THEY BOTH NEED TO GET AZZCANNED THERE BREWMEISTER!
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ZYMURGE SAYS:
What we don’t know is how much of the defense is Tarver and how much is DA coaching through Tarver. Let’s not forget that DA’s root are as a DC where he has more NFL experience than Tarver. For all we know, the system is 100% DA and Tarver is his protege.
Not to say that I don’t like Tarver, but just that we don’t know how much credit each of them get.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I wanted Dom Capers all last offseason.
Wouldn’t mind him next season as well, but if they fire DA, the new HC will more than likely be an offensive guy.
And no quality offensive HC prospect is coming aboard to coach 34 year old Carson Palmer.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I don’t know any non-1st round pick QB’s or Pro Bowl QB’s, that a new organizational structure comes into and hitches their saddle to.
Especially unproven 3rd round picks.
TP was toast as soon as Al died.
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Don’t be surprised if Reggie goes after Flynn.
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Now that thought scared me for a couple reasons:
1) Reggie does seem to love the ex-GB players, even those that get cut, let alone those that get lured away as massively overpaid free agents
2) Flynn’s brief body of work has a 6 TD game in it that certainly demonstrate him at his best — which usually means it’s all downside from there
But then when I think about it more, it could be a good thing with the right conditions.
1) The first is a very low price tag, which I think they can get for him after seeing him beat out by a rookie for a job that all but served up to him on a silver platter. For that to happen, they can’t trade for him because he comes with two hefty years left on his Seattle deal, so he’d have to be cut first. I think the Seahawks will have to cut him even though it’ll mean a $4M cap acceleration. Otherwise, his cap hit in 2013 is over $7M and it goes over $8M in 2014. The catch he is that the FA QB market is going to be thin so he would still generate a decent bidding war and would probably fetch a 3-4 year deal at around $2.5M per year.
2) They start incorporating a system similar to what GB runs, at least in the passing game. I don’t see them getting away from the ZBS on the running side after what they’ve invested so far. That could mean bringing in a new OC that has WCO roots similar to what he proved he ran well in GB. Maybe he’d go after yet another younf up and comer like Brian McAdoo, who is Green Bay’s QB Coach/Offensive Asst.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Alley Cat Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
This is nuts from an earlier post:
Cable to SEATTLE: Playoffs
Hue to CINCY: Playoffs
Knapp leaves HOUSTON: Playoffs
DA leaves DENVER: Playoffs
Reggie leaves GREEN BAY: Playoffs
The time is ripe for Gruden to return to Oakland. Only way to restore this franchise. Only hope. We had the pieces in place to win this year. Just a new DC woulda been fine. But no. We got to ruin everything that Coach Davis was finally putting back together. We were poised. We were at the doorstep. I rest my case.
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Great point. Tough to argue with that break down. Considering those team had some great signings, still, interesting to look at it from that point of view.
GRUDEN 2013!
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Are you guys coming to South Dakota for the Championship parade? I will be throwing Buffalo Rocky Mountain Oysters from the float!
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Stink hole chargers got a outside chance at a the last wild card.
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How high are you, because they were eliminated last week.
All the AFC playoff teams are accounted for.
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How ironic would it be if Norv Turner is coaching against the team he will eventually be the offensive coordinator for?
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Just like the QB, the new GM rarely ever keeps the previous HC.
Al died, and everything went up in the air.
Just how it works on the business side of things. Everyone is looking out for #1.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Zone blocking sucks.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
I jumped the gun this year and thought that maybe we could be a contender.By the time I got to Oakland we were buried and out of playoff contention.
Cable got us to .500 and we at least were respectable.His last year I went to my first Raider game in the O.It was vs the Rams.I set on Mt Davis.Was just happy to be there…AND THEY WON THAT GAME!!
Last year,the creative mind and bravado of Hue Jack City had everyone pumped up.Coaching staff was ok with the exception of the “other Chucky” Breshnahan…I came out for the Denver game.It was Palmer’s debut and it would also mark the beginning of Tebow mania.
Dang…Raiders are 1-3 when I come out there…lol,to keep from crying.
The way things look now,It’s gonna be awhile before I get back to the O to see my team.This coaching staff is a mess.I hope things gets turned around sooner than later.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
IMO Allen will still be HC next year…. I think he has a pass till he gets his ( Reggie’s) own players…. And the ZBS… Personally I think it’s more to do with Knapps play calling than it is the Scheme…. .. I’d be happy to see Knapp gone.. But I think that’s up for debate too …
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Hire Bruce Arians!!!! He’s a miraculous job with the Colts!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Shame on Mark Davis.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Are you guys coming to South Dakota for the Championship parade? I will be throwing Buffalo Rocky Mountain Oysters from the float!
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Do the organizers of the parade know about this?
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
I believe Allen said when he was hired that he would allow the OC to make the calls and run the offense. (I think) I thought he also said that he would lend a hand with the defense, but his main objective was to oversee the team as a head coach.
So now the question is has Allen played it smart and kept quiet to the media about how he feels about the Raiders offense?
After this pathetic season if Dennis Allen doesn’t get it and move on from Knapp, then I agree with most of you. Start over again.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Are you guys coming to South Dakota for the Championship parade?
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I am waiting for the formal invite.
Nah…..good job man
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:07 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Are you guys coming to South Dakota for the Championship parade? I will be throwing Buffalo Rocky Mountain Oysters from the float!
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Do the organizers of the parade know about this?
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Pre-cooked of course.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:07 pm
632.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Stink hole chargers got a outside chance at a the last wild card.
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How high are you, because they were eliminated last week.
All the AFC playoff teams are accounted for.
========================================================= And all of you who predicted playoffs for us this year are accounted for. Dumbest fans in the world are still on this blog. 4-12
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:07 pm
I just can’t believe no ones been fired yet.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:07 pm
EMRaiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Alley Cat Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
This is nuts from an earlier post:
Cable to SEATTLE: Playoffs
Hue to CINCY: Playoffs
Knapp leaves HOUSTON: Playoffs
DA leaves DENVER: Playoffs
Reggie leaves GREEN BAY: Playoffs
The time is ripe for Gruden to return to Oakland. Only way to restore this franchise. Only hope. We had the pieces in place to win this year. Just a new DC woulda been fine. But no. We got to ruin everything that Coach Davis was finally putting back together. We were poised. We were at the doorstep. I rest my case.
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Great point. Tough to argue with that break down. Considering those team had some great signings, still, interesting to look at it from that point of view.
GRUDEN 2013!
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2003; Ring with TB with Dungy built defense v. team he basically built
2009; knocked out of playoffs by Raiders
2010; MNF
2011: MNF
2012; MNF
ESPN QB Coach Camp
GRUDEN 2013 just guarantees excitement for fan base and more expectation.
a lot of people have to buy in, and better, more prepared assistants would need to come in.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I don’t know any non-1st round pick QB’s or Pro Bowl QB’s, that a new organizational structure comes into and hitches their saddle to.
Especially unproven 3rd round picks.
TP was toast as soon as Al died.
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Don’t be surprised if Reggie goes after Flynn.
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Now that thought scared me for a couple reasons:
1) Reggie does seem to love the ex-GB players, even those that get cut, let alone those that get lured away as massively overpaid free agents
2) Flynn’s brief body of work has a 6 TD game in it that certainly demonstrate him at his best — which usually means it’s all downside from there
But then when I think about it more, it could be a good thing with the right conditions.
1) The first is a very low price tag, which I think they can get for him after seeing him beat out by a rookie for a job that all but served up to him on a silver platter. For that to happen, they can’t trade for him because he comes with two hefty years left on his Seattle deal, so he’d have to be cut first. I think the Seahawks will have to cut him even though it’ll mean a $4M cap acceleration. Otherwise, his cap hit in 2013 is over $7M and it goes over $8M in 2014. The catch he is that the FA QB market is going to be thin so he would still generate a decent bidding war and would probably fetch a 3-4 year deal at around $2.5M per year.
2) They start incorporating a system similar to what GB runs, at least in the passing game. I don’t see them getting away from the ZBS on the running side after what they’ve invested so far. That could mean bringing in a new OC that has WCO roots similar to what he proved he ran well in GB. Maybe he’d go after yet another younf up and comer like Brian McAdoo, who is Green Bay’s QB Coach/Offensive Asst.
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Good points Z. I can see it happening. Matt L. Gone and Flynn at 2, then they will probably be drafting a QB in the later rounds for the 3.
It’s a shame we won’t get to see what Pryors got, they are hell bent on their system and don’t want him seeing the light of day.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
And Tarver.. I’m not decided on … Talents pretty thin to judge him accurately ….need more depth … Corners… Pass rusher, Lb’s …
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
EMRaiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Mark was straight forward and came out and said that he knew what he didn’t know. And that he needed help on those things he didn’t know. He went out and consulted with what everyone considers “great minds of football” and they told him to hire Reggie. Reggie was the most coveted GM candidate at the time, and everyone agreed that this was the right, and a great hire.
Then Reggie went on his cross country bus tour in search of the next great Raider HC. And the candidates he interviewed were pretty lame. This, to me, was the first sign of things to come.
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coaching choices
1. Joe DeCamillas
2. Mike McCoy (McCoy canceled in favor of Miami job when it was opened)
3. Pete Charmichael
4. Marty Mohrningweg
5. Todd Bowles
6. Dennis Allen
7. Winston Moss
8. Dom Capers
i think that was the extent – i think there was speculation on Mike Tice, but that was cut short as McKenzie had decided on Dennis Allen.
others that should have gotten speculation,,and could if Allen is let go include
Greg Roman and Vic Fangio of Niners. The plus of Fangio would be his experience and he could bring in secondary coach Ed Donatell as the DC.
but that is a pipe dream… Allen is the coach..if the Charger game is a blowout and Mark Davis is angered again – expect the “we will discuss the future of Dennis Allen”
i think that Gruden thing was run out on purpose to see how Allen would adjust. Maybe its still in play on the Q.T.?
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That is an awful roster.
Marty Morningweg?
Mike Tice?
A bunch of no-name guys who haven’t proven anything (including Dennis Allen). Carmichael I think is strictly a coordinator. He wasn’t even named interim-interim head coach in New Orleans.
Philly’s D got appreciably worse this year when they fired the much-maligned Juan Castillo and replaced him with Bowles.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:10 pm
2006, the Raiders were 3rd in Total Defense, 1st in Pass Defense. 2-14.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/team?seasonId=2006&seasonType=&Submit=Go
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
I believe Allen said when he was hired that he would allow the OC to make the calls and run the offense. (I think) I thought he also said that he would lend a hand with the defense, but his main objective was to oversee the team as a head coach.
So now the question is has Allen played it smart and kept quiet to the media about how he feels about the Raiders offense?
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I think it should be all business. Just move on from Knapp, hire Norv Turner or Rathman from the Niners as OC
or Gruden as HC with Ed Donatell as D.C. A.Kromer as off line coach, Jay Gruden as OC
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Stink hole chargers got a outside chance at a the last wild card.
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How high are you, because they were eliminated last week.
All the AFC playoff teams are accounted for.
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How ironic would it be if Norv Turner is coaching against the team he will eventually be the offensive coordinator for?
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I am all for bringing Norv back. I’m in SD and think he’s gotten a bad rap. He’s a good guy, Smith has been hand cuffing him for years.
Come back Norv, please.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
EMRaiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Mark was straight forward and came out and said that he knew what he didn’t know. And that he needed help on those things he didn’t know. He went out and consulted with what everyone considers “great minds of football” and they told him to hire Reggie. Reggie was the most coveted GM candidate at the time, and everyone agreed that this was the right, and a great hire.
Then Reggie went on his cross country bus tour in search of the next great Raider HC. And the candidates he interviewed were pretty lame. This, to me, was the first sign of things to come.
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coaching choices
1. Joe DeCamillas
2. Mike McCoy (McCoy canceled in favor of Miami job when it was opened)
3. Pete Charmichael
4. Marty Mohrningweg
5. Todd Bowles
6. Dennis Allen
7. Winston Moss
8. Dom Capers
i think that was the extent – i think there was speculation on Mike Tice, but that was cut short as McKenzie had decided on Dennis Allen.
others that should have gotten speculation,,and could if Allen is let go include
Greg Roman and Vic Fangio of Niners. The plus of Fangio would be his experience and he could bring in secondary coach Ed Donatell as the DC.
but that is a pipe dream… Allen is the coach..if the Charger game is a blowout and Mark Davis is angered again – expect the “we will discuss the future of Dennis Allen”
i think that Gruden thing was run out on purpose to see how Allen would adjust. Maybe its still in play on the Q.T.?
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That is an awful roster.
Marty Morningweg?
Mike Tice?
A bunch of no-name guys who haven’t proven anything (including Dennis Allen). Carmichael I think is strictly a coordinator. He wasn’t even named interim-interim head coach in New Orleans.
Philly’s D got appreciably worse this year when they fired the much-maligned Juan Castillo and replaced him with Bowles.
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Either they stay the course or move on from Allen altogether. That guy has to realize that Knapp could cost him his job. But they are under contract.
Dont know of anybody that could turn this around
not Rob Ryan, not Winston Moss, not Dom Capers, not Brian Schottenheimer.
just have to wait this season out.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
This is what the Raiders 2013 head coaching search list should look like:
- Jon Gruden
- Greg Roman
- Vic Fangio
- Chris Peterson
- Chip Kelly
- Hue Jackson
- Mike Zimmer
- Nick Saban
- Rex Ryan
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
One other thing, Cam Newton needs his head taken off by somebody. What a little biotch, he acts like he’s 13.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Mark SHOULD have Hired a Pres. Of Football Ops BEFORE he hired Reggie and let the Pres. Hire the GM…HOW WAS mark to know who would be the best GM when he hasn’t participated in daily Operations ever.
Now, he should hire a Pres. To come in and be Reggie’s boss…
I don’t think Mark has 3 seasons to burn on a rebuild if he really wants a new stadium.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Rumor is Saban is going to the Browns to work with Lombardi.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Morilla, Reggie supporters never answered this question. Does zone blocking win more Superbowls than power block? Why did Reggie come to the Raiders camp and switch to a zone scheme when he knew most of his players did not fit that scheme? Because he wanted to sandblast?
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Norv is also Palmers neighbor here. Make it happen Reggie.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
2romes Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Morilla, Reggie supporters never answered this question. Does zone blocking win more Superbowls than power block? Why did Reggie come to the Raiders camp and switch to a zone scheme when he knew most of his players did not fit that scheme? Because he wanted to sandblast?
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Probably to see what players to keep and what players to get rid of.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Ravens and Packers also are ZBS teams, will they be knocked out in the first round?
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Not unless Greg Knapp gets traded to either.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Raiders for life Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
I believe Allen said when he was hired that he would allow the OC to make the calls and run the offense. (I think) I thought he also said that he would lend a hand with the defense, but his main objective was to oversee the team as a head coach.
So now the question is has Allen played it smart and kept quiet to the media about how he feels about the Raiders offense?
After this pathetic season if Dennis Allen doesn’t get it and move on from Knapp, then I agree with most of you. Start over again.
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My opinion is that Knapp is a stepping stone coach. He does have a good history of teaching the ZBS. Not so good of a history as moving it forward, and as we’ve seen, he’s not the most creative at playcalling. I think his best role as an Asst OC where he can do big picture Xs and Os and teach.
With a year under their belt running the system, they are the right RB away from having a decent running game. They are an RT and an OG (or C with Wiz moving over) away from having a good pass blocking line. Add in less predictibility from the OC and the offense under Palmer will hum. If for cap reasons they need to move on from Palmer, then it’s going to be more slow rebuilding.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
fingers Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
And Tarver.. I’m not decided on … Talents pretty thin to judge him accurately ….need more depth … Corners… Pass rusher, Lb’s …
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No, I’m not either.
People forget what he inherited from Al running the defense for so long.
We had the 29th ranked defense in 2011 and in had a lot of injuries this year.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:33 pm
morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
One other thing, Cam Newton needs his head taken off by somebody. What a little biotch, he acts like he’s 13.
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Yeah….that call on Kelly was baloney. Kelly reacted to Cam doing his childish kicking thing again.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:35 pm
I will answer my own Question since the Reggie fans have not answered it. Zone blocking teams have not won more superbowl the power blocking team. So if Reggie wants a better chance at winning why did he come here so committed to that scheme?
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:43 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/23/cam-newton-apologizes-for-bumping-jerome-bolger/
Meanwhile Tom Brady is allowed to spike the ball into the ground while screaming like Bill Cowler at a ref and no action is taken…
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
2romes Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:35 pm
I will answer my own Question since the Reggie fans have not answered it. Zone blocking teams have not won more superbowl the power blocking team. So if Reggie wants a better chance at winning why did he come here so committed to that scheme?
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Cork said in one of his on-line chats a few weeks back that Reggie doesn’t care what blocking scheme the Raiders use.
DA & Knapp are responsible for the scheme.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
This is what the Raiders 2013 head coaching search list should look like:
- Jon Gruden
- Greg Roman
- Vic Fangio
- Chris Peterson
- Chip Kelly
- Hue Jackson
- Mike Zimmer
- Nick Saban
- Rex Ryan
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Gruden – would re-energize the fan base, get a bit more national media, but would be expensive…
Jackson – would be interesting because its like “i realized my mistake” but they move on.that ship has clearly sailed
Kelly – good because he could employ Pryor in a zone-read option and utilize the speed on offense more effectively …bad because college coaches coming to a rebuilding team hasnt worked since 90s Cowboys.
Ryan – love it . takes care of the attitude, and if Dallas moves on from Garrett, Ryan hires his twin bro for the d-coordinator position…but too much of a circus, but a coordinator that can draw up a game plan with his back against the wall
Saban – headed to Cleveland, then probably back to college in a couple of years
Zimmer – damn good hire. and could conceivably bring Hue in as OC to help Palmer.
Fangio – great pick, could recruit S Goldson in FA to lead defensive change
Roman – likely to get some interest in some places – could bring Alex Smith over as insurance if Raiders choose a QB (Bray-Geno Smith or Tyler Wilson) could bring a lot of Niner FAs over, too.
Peterson – has bigger fish to fry with a D-1 program
December 24th, 2012 at 12:00 am
How in theworld would Allen know any talent!! You’s gotta go back to Denver! Because you have no coaching skills, period! You can’t develop Pryor unless he’s under center now. You can’t just leave on the sidelines all the time and throw him under the bus at the last minute! You should terminated at the last whistle, so pack your bags the minute the game’s over and carry your staff with your staff with you, low life, no coaching idiot!
December 24th, 2012 at 2:31 am
#452 and all of the other TK haters. Dude has been a pro bowl alternate 2 years in a row. The coaches and his peers who know far more football than anyone on this blog. They respect his game and ability enough to conclude he’s an elite talent. The Raiders cannot afford to rid themselves of elite talent. Some of you clowns praise Burris yet ridicule TK. Get real !
December 24th, 2012 at 3:24 am
#555: In the PAST Mr. davis didn’t want independent thinking coaches. He wanted guys who’d do what he wanted. For that reason, most high profile coaches or guys wise enough to believe they’d have other chances would never want to work for him.
Fast foward to 2011/2012. Viable coaching candidates know what the challenge is in Oakland. That is why names such as Dennis Green, Bill Parcells, Sean Payton and Whisenhunt walked away in the past. (How are those guys doing by the way?)
Sean Payton had a job and was later suspended for the season. Dennis Green and Bill Parcells are 1000 yrs old and long retired. Wisenhunt was one of those guys who knew he’d become a HC on his own terms. As for interviewing him for the passed season. He has a job. Do you follow football ?
December 24th, 2012 at 3:39 am
Cam, Kap and RGIII would probably all be back-ups on the Raiders, with the unimaginative losers the Raiders have running the show. These Bozo’s would start, Matt Leinart or Brady Quinn over the far better athlete and QB they aren’t accustomed to seeing.