Previewing Sunday’s Raiders vs. Panthers game
By Jon Becker
Sunday, December 23rd, 2012 at 3:00 am in Oakland Raiders.
Can the Raiders finally win a game in the Eastern time zone? We’ll find out in a few hours when they take on Cam Newton and the Panthers.
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December 23rd, 2012 at 3:33 am
Blurst!
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:35 am
It’s a shame we don’t have a 2nd round draft pick
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:35 am
I wonder how many FGs Jano will hit today?
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 am
It’ll take more than 4 on the D-line to stop Cam today
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 am
Hopefully Joselio Hanson will make an impact play today.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 am
Perhaps Pryor can score a few TDs as well in his specialized red zone packages.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:43 am
We’ll know this game is over if Leinart has to come in.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:47 am
Say what you want about the Palmer trade, but I still think he’s an upgrade over Jason Campbell.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:49 am
It’s a shame that Lechler will be gone next year.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 am
I’m still blown away by the fact that we were one man down on defense for the final play of the game against the Texans last year.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:53 am
SeaBass could set the record today.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:55 am
Ken Stabler should be in the Hall of Fame.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:58 am
Knapp does not have as much to work with as some on this blog think he does
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Charlie,
I couldn’t agree more!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 am
Palmer signed a contract and honored that contract. It was Mike Brown the owner and GM of Cincinatti that did not honor his agreements. Brown did a poor job of getting guys around Palmer. Palmer “retired” because he did not want Brown to franchise him and force him to return after his contract ended.
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SeyBush,
Palmer had plenty of talent to work with in Cincy. He wasn’t franchised either. He wasn’t even set to become a UFA!
please stop making stuff up to defend the quitter
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:10 am
The only issue I have is Reggie started the year thinking or planning to win now, and make playoffs. The season went pear-shaped. But I still don’t see an indication from Reggie/Allen that they’re truly rebuilding.
You’ve heard Allen/Knapp say how it’s imperative they bring back the entire roster pretty much. And how reports are Allen sees Palmer as his franchise QB.
Allen is a mouthpiece of Reggie.
It’s quite possible this entire regime seriously tried to win now and make the playoffs, and this is how bad they really are at it (4-12). And that they’ll carry forward into 2013 holding continuity and thinking they can still win now and make playoffs, with Palmer returning as starter, and Brisiel returning as RG, and once again we have to suffer thru a 4-12 season.
Maybe then all those people who support Reggie/Allen/Palmer will come around and be the most vocal wanting their firing.
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GG = money!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 am
how do explain reggies decision to not cut seymour and worse give seymour a new contract that when cut next year it hits our cap by over 5mil, or signing briesel to a 20 mil deal that when hes cut next year he hits our cap by 2.7, or franchising branch then signing him long term. throw in palmers restructuring and reggie made some very very bad decisions that do not line up with the so called rebuilding.
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NYC,
Reggie committed to Palmer because Mark Davis spend last year’s 1st rounder on him and this year’s 2nd rounder on him. When the owner does something like that, you just gotta let things play out. Palmer restructured to the vet minimum to help the Raiders get under the cap. Huff, Seymour & Kelly did too. BigMac didn’t have any money or draft picks. Palmer staying was #1 on the priority list. As Palmer continues to lose football games, Mark Davis will become less enamored with him. Reggie is already short 2 draft picks in this upcoming draft and the roster needs major overhaul, regardless of what the coordinators say. Reggie’s 3rd year of being GM he will have our financial house in order and all the overpaid underachievers will be gone. He will have plenty of cash & picks to work with and I think Palmer will be out of a job. Regardless of the stats, winners stay and losers go. CP3 has to win 9+ games next year if he wants to stay in Oakland.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:19 am
so some idiot spends all his time jacking my handle and “spreading love”. what’s the point? why not just do it under ur own alias? why try to get people to believe i’m doing it? are u somehow hurting me by pretending to be all lovey dovey? i like the sentiment, but apparently, he’s trying to say i’m usually mean. i am. but only to jackazzes. so what could be gained? making me look nicer? weird.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:20 am
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 22nd, 2012 at 9:03 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 22nd, 2012 at 8:40 pm
SLAYER Says:
December 22nd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
ESPN…JOHN GRUDEN IS A D-BAG. ALLEN AND KNAPP AND TARVER DESERVE AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR,…AT LEAST. GO RAIDERS AND HAIL SATAN. 666
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spoken like a true idiot. anyone who thinks the devil is their friend is a moron. and he probably thinks he’s “scary”. ooohhhhh. big deal====
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I’ve come to realize something.
Does’nt matter who posts under wht name.
Doesn’t matter what they say. Could be the dumbest comment in the world all designed to see if some doorknob will bite.
And you always bite.
Every single time.
Every….single….time.
and what’s funny is reading your replies you seem to actually buy into every comment, like the one above.
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i like making fun of idiots who are here to cause trouble. u have never engaged me in conversation so what do u care?
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:23 am
i’m hoping this year sheds a lot of the supposed fans here. hopefully they go somewhere else. i mean if u hate this regime, and u don’t like them coming back, then beat it.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:27 am
NYC,
by the way – I agree. Tagging Branch and then signing him to a long-term deal was a stupid move. So was paying Seymour $15 million to stay rather than $7.5 million to leave (we couldn’t have used that extra $7.5 mil on another player or two?). Brisiel is awful. Bartell & Spencer stink. Barnes & Smith at RT = puke
I agree with GG. Lots of veteran adds, like Tollefson, Wheeler, Hanson & Carter to the defense. Leinart, Goodson, Hagan & Schmitt to the offense.
Raiders weren’t trying to re-build, but now they may be!
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:30 am
i’m hoping this year sheds a lot of the supposed fans here. hopefully they go somewhere else. i mean if u hate this regime, and u don’t like them coming back, then beat it.
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Dr Bob,
I agree. I’m backing Mark, Reggie & Dennis!
I’m not still sitting here crying in my coffee over the firing of Hue Jackson
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:33 am
yeah, i mean i’m not in love with this staff. they have done some questionable things and obviously the team didn’t improve. in fact, it seems to have “regressed”, as mark davis said. but i also know how much went wrong that wasn’t in their hands, and i’m aware that coaches can make big strides in year two. and if DA came with high marks, then we will just have to see how it pans out. if next season goes this way, then i will be calling for their heads too.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:36 am
btw, i’ve been looking forward for months to quentin tarantino’s “django unchained”. qt is probably my favorite director and i’m stoked. but i bet missdick is giddy with anticipation (if he’s cool enuff to even know about the movie), since it is a slave-revenge story. “kill white people and get paid for it? what’s not to like?” i gotta think this will be missdick’s favorite movie of all time.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:37 am
he has missed the opportunity to call this game “cam unchained”.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:44 am
Dr Bob,
Mark Davis = rookie
Reggie McKenzie = rookie
Dennis Allen = rookie
Greg Knapp = what other OC’s were available in February?
Jason Tarver = rookie
not only were these guys brand spanking new, but we completely changed systems on both offense & defense.
I don’t think 16 games will tell us everything we need to know about this regime. the longer we give them, the more we’ll start to see what direction this team is headed. BigMac had the toughest job of any GM over the past 30 years
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:46 am
I’m not a fan of anything with quentin tarantino’s name on it.
by the way, the Raiders WILL win today …
predictions?
Dirty Pirates 24
Black Panthers 17
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:46 am
I sure hope the team comes out strong today. Finish strong too!!
Raiders 26
Possumheads 17
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:48 am
RR nice pick
Good luck today. kick Dakotas butt
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:49 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:27 am
NYC,
by the way – I agree. Tagging Branch and then signing him to a long-term deal was a stupid move. So was paying Seymour $15 million to stay rather than $7.5 million to leave (we couldn’t have used that extra $7.5 mil on another player or two?). Brisiel is awful. Bartell & Spencer stink. Barnes & Smith at RT = puke
I agree with GG. Lots of veteran adds, like Tollefson, Wheeler, Hanson & Carter to the defense. Leinart, Goodson, Hagan & Schmitt to the offense.
Raiders weren’t trying to re-build, but now they may be!
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Thanks for the love
But yeah, it’s quite obvious they genuinely tried to win now, and are really this bad at it (4-12).
Everything from the GM’s veteran additions and restructurings (his evaluation of their talents) as well as his terrible passiveness in the trade window and making coaching changes during the season….to the coaching staffs ability to coach up players, install a system, prepare their players, out-coached and out-adjusted during games, lack the imagination and inventiveness required to utilize the array of talent on their roster for various ploys, to utilize the array of talent on their roster to keep players enthused and developing as players, the enforcement of a system instead of tailoring a system(s) around the array of skill-sets on their roster, and all the hypocrisy of ‘accountability’ and double-talk and deflecting blame downwards instead of owning it.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:56 am
I really think Mark Davis needs to draw on the advice of Herock and Madden again. He needs someone very astute (like many of us here are) to truly be able to objectively evaluate Reggie and Allen.
As I indicated in post #29 and that RaiderRockstar indicated in all his posts, and many others like DJ Johnny, etc etc.
Mark needs to hire a President of Football Operations. Someone who is above the GM, give the GM a boss. Someone who can/will evaluate him because he himself is a football man, with the same front office type of experience to properly objectively evaluate Reggie. Would be hard/impossible for Mark to do that, as he acknowledges anyway.
To me, that is the key component for 2013…Mark hiring a P of FO. That way he’s not torching Reggie and Allen, but putting them on notice, they cant BS Mark, and Reggie truly is answering to someone. That P of FO too has to be someone who is steeped in Raiders lore. Someone who won’t have an anti-Al agenda. Nor someone who is out to protect Reggie/Allen. As he did not hire them either. He has no dog in the race. He’s just protecting Mark’s a$$ and the Raiders brand.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:58 am
Mark and Reggie have a plan to develop a system that produces a good team on the field every year while fixing the books so the team looks like a viable NFL operation = middle of the pack or better and not rock bottom where we have been for a decade.
I hope they show big steps forward next year and these last two games
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:32 am
Just Win!…….
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:37 am
Mark Davis says Immaculate Reception is still a “dagger”
Posted by Mike Florio on December 23, 2012, 8:02 AM EST
The late Al Davis hated the play that allowed the Pittsburgh Steelers to swipe a playoff win from the Raiders 40 years ago today via a deflected pass that Franco Harris plucked out of the sky on the fly and ran into the end zone.
Current Raiders owner Mark Davis didn’t like it very much, either.
“It’s something that lives on,” Davis said, via Monte Poole of Bay Area News Group. “And it’s a dagger every time you see it.”
Just before that play, the younger Davis had been running around the family home, reveling in the looming berth in the AFC title game. “I went absolutely berserk,” Davis said. “I went from room to room, jumping on the beds, jumping on the couch.
“Then I came back down to watch, you know, the end of it. And all of a sudden . . . it was like sudden death.”
Davis explained that, when his father returned home from Pittsburgh, he didn’t seem particularly upset. “With my dad, there was always the ‘us-against-them’ attitude, that we were getting screwed in any situation if there was a chance for it,” Davis said.
As to at least one day in history, Mark Davis feels that way, too.
“I still believe we should have won that game,” Davis said. “But when you go to the airport in Pittsburgh, you know they feel different.
“And the thing that kills me is it’s replayed every year. Then you walk into the Pittsburgh airport and there’s Franco [Harris] catching the [expletive] ball. It doesn’t go away.”
It definitely doesn’t go away. And that’s why it’s the greatest single play in league history.
The only way the 40th anniversary of the Immaculate Reception would be any better would be if the Raiders and Steelers were playing, in Pittsburgh.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:45 am
Gooooo panthers!
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:09 am
RAYDAS!
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 am
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:45 am
Gooooo panthers!
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Goooooo Raider Rockstar!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 am
PFF has Veldheer rated the 17th best starting tackle.
About where I would put him, above average, not elite.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:18 am
While Raiders’ running back Darren McFadden may be our lowest graded player at his position through Week 15, the Raiders still boast plenty of talent in their backfield. McFadden’s problem is that he just doesn’t do much beyond the work of his blockers, with just 13 missed tackles forced from 180 carries and a disappointing Yards After Contact average of just 1.9. Grading negatively as a rusher, a receiver and as a pass blocker, McFadden just doesn’t look like the player the Raiders thought they were getting when they used the No. 4 overall draft pick on him back in 2008.
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McNinny = easily replaceable
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:20 am
McFadden = 13 missed tackles in 180 carries
Reece = 12 missed tackles in 59 carries
Goodson = 7 missed tackles in 30 carries
McNinny doesn’t make people miss, stats are right there from a non-biased 3rd party
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:20 am
Vegas,
How could you betray me like that?
I thought we were friends!
Why?
Whyyyyyyyyyyyy?
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:22 am
POST-33,YES.SEEMS SINCE THEY PLAY’D THIS YEAR ANY WAY THE SCHEDULE/LEAGUE WOULD HAVE MADE IT THIS WEEKEND.EVEN IF IT AS IN OAKLAND..
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:24 am
Tebow going to the Jags, and I am all but positive they will take Te’O as well, whenever they are on the board.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:24 am
Your constant rooting for us to lose for draft stock, while consistant over the years, irrates me, lol.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:26 am
You are just mad because you know I am right. I forgive you!
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:26 am
I thought DHB had some of the worst hands I had seen, until I watched Festus Ezeli play last night.
Good lord man!!!!
Dude can not catch
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:28 am
Did you guys see that the lakers almost lost to a wnba team called the warriors last night? Man, tough year!
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:28 am
Someone mentioned on a previous thread the cure for our lack of a kick returner as Shoelace Robinson.
Never thought of that and it is a great idea.
Probably could get him later in the draft then the Honey Badger, and is a massively better human being.
Draft Shoelace in the 6th round!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:32 am
Deangelo Williams is going to run wild on us I am afraid.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:32 am
McNinny = easily replaceable
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Not as easy as Krapp.
It’s possible DMAC has lost ‘it’.
But I don’t think so.
I’ve seen DMAC excel. I believe he can be a force again.
Won’t happen with Krapp though.
Got to play to your player’s strengths.
DMAC’s game is hitting holes quickly.
Not a ‘glider’.
He will pulverize defenders in the second level.
Still the Raid’s best player if utilized correctly.
Speaking of easily replaced…
Slo-glandless Greenbeanie will NOT be missed.
Slo-mania !
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:35 am
#49 At least someone else in here has a brain.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:39 am
There was a play last week that exemplifies the stats that PFF put out there.
There was a wide hole in the left side on a pitch play that McNinny shot through, looked like he was going to break out, only as soon as he came in contact with any defender, he got flattened immediately.
Basically his O-line generated a hole for 17 yards, and Darren did absolutely NOTHING in the open field.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:40 am
Slo-mania !
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It was fun while it lasted wasn’t it?
Rupturing spleens, hurting Gates ribs, etc.
You want me to blame Knapp for something? There you go, the lack of offense sapped Slo-Mania of it’s MoJo.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:42 am
Vegas hates McFadden, but loves McClain.
Nuff said.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:44 am
I GUESS 1/2-3/4 OF A SEASON FROM #20 EVERY IS BETTER THAN NOTHING..
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:45 am
McFaddens yards after first hit this year are terrible. and has genuinely been outplayed by everyone else on the RB depth chart. I am sure if Taiwan was given more opportunity he too would outperform. This is why it’s a shame that certain players get constantly started more to do with their salary/draft position, and others are trapped behind not getting a genuine opportunity of 10 or so carries in a game to get their momentum going.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:47 am
Norv wants to be an oc next year. Sign him up!
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:48 am
Norv would maximize our offensive players.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:55 am
Norv as an OC would be awesome.
But you could cut the TP talk out of that scenario though.
Norv loves the strong-armed play-action, 7 step drop offense.
Speaking of which, would it be too much too ask Carson to sell the play-fake a little more? He really half-azzes them sometimes.
That was the best skill of the Soup man. Dude sold the hell out of the playfakes.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:56 am
You want me to blame Knapp for something? There you go, the lack of offense sapped Slo-Mania of it’s MoJo.
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I get it now.
Krapp is responsible for the demise of Slo-mania, but is not responsible for DMAC’s fall off, or the Raid ground game futility.
Gotcha.
BTW, as far as rooting for the Raids to lose to secure better draft position…
If we were in contention for the top pick and a Luck or RGIII was available – without hesitation, I’d say dump the remaining two games.
I’m not sure that there’s anyone in this draft worth dumping games for. Still it can’t hurt to be drafting higher.
I hate losing, but I really don’t care if the Raids lose these last two.
I put absolutely no stock in the ‘carry over’ argument I’ve seen brought up here and in other places.
My opinion is that beating KC, Carolina and SD (or even 2 of the 3) to close out this season will have no bearing whatsoever on how we perform in 2013.
Getting rid of Krapp on the other hand…
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:01 am
There is a likely scenario that we can win these last two games, and only “fall” in the draft maybe 2 spots from where we are today.
Al Davis would want to win the games.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:02 am
I put absolutely no stock in the ‘carry over’ argument I’ve seen brought up here and in other places.
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So winning are first East Coast morning game in 3 years, would do nothing for the youngsters returning next years confidence?
GTFOH
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:09 am
Rockstar
Very good post.
It brings back the reality of 1963.
Mr. Davis rookie
Ron Wolf rookie.
Worked out pretty well.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:16 am
This is the kind of game that the Raiders usually win. Nothing to prove, nothing to play for. And it won’t be mentioned on the networks. Like it never happened, a black hole in a parallel universe sucking up time, space and matter.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:19 am
TO HECK WITH MORE COACHIN’ CHANGES. NO MO OF THAT. KEEP ALLEN AND KNAPP AND TARVER FOR A FEW YEARS…EVEN IF THEY GO 5-11 NEXT YEAR…NO MO COACHIN’ CHANGES. ALLEN HAS A FOUR YEAR DEALIO. LET HIM HAVE AT LEAST HIS FOUR YEARS. HE HIRED KNAPP FOR THE LONG RUN NOT JUST THIS YEAR. TARVER IS BECOMING A GREAT DC. GIVE THEM YEARS NOT MONTHS. JOHN GRUDEN IS NOT THE ANSWER. GO RAIDERS AND GO LUCIFER. 666
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:20 am
There is a likely scenario that we can win these last two games, and only “fall” in the draft maybe 2 spots from where we are today.
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Is that something like our scoring is ‘only’ down 2 points a game ?
Or our win total is ‘only’ down 2 games ?
We don’t know how the draft will play out.
The difference between drafting 3rd or 6th could be huge.
Not only in terms of player selection, but in trade possibilities.
It’s very easy to overestimate the importance of winning these last two games and underestimating the potential benefits of losing them.
I don’t believe that the ‘carry-over’ effect from season to season is significant.
I believe that our draft position carries more significance.
Enough to ‘dump’ games this year ? Probably not.
But I really don’t care if the Raids win these last two.
And I can see how losing them can help.
If we do lose, I hope we get SHUT OUT.
Got to SCRAP THE KRAPP.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 am
My opinion is that beating KC, Carolina and SD (or even 2 of the 3) to close out this season will have no bearing whatsoever on how we perform in 2013.
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You can’t be serious.
Carolina team on the road?
Division road win?
You don’t think winning breeds confidence?
“NO” bearing????
Surely it will have SOME bearing on next year.
Oh, and I agree we need a new play caller.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:31 am
Just fire
Have to have a running game to sell.
It has been my point on many posts. When you have strong line play i gives the coordinators far more degrees of freedom for creativity.
I simply do not think many on this blog realize how line play impacts calls.
Example; Knapp has his hands tied with Barnes at RT. Barnes needs help all the time on passing downs against good DE’s.
The same with Tarver. We can not bring pressure on the QB with only four and we can not stop good running teams consistently. Therefore; live by the blitz-die by the blitz.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:41 am
I don’t recall a season where we had this little attention or coverage.
I laugh at “Around the League Live” cuz the title suggests they’ll be covering all 32 teams..but Raiders get NOTHING…which is actually a good thing for a season like this.
December 28th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Raider Prediction Board
Dedicated to Al Davis, Raider duct tape (boy does it hold) and the Coliseum rodents
Week 1: Alex7: Chargers 27 Raiders 20 (22/14)
Week 2: R8eray: Dolphins 20 Raiders 13 (35/13)
Week 3: Plunketthead Raiders 30 Steelers 27 (34/31) R
Week 4: Amysincharge: Denver 48-7 (37-6)
Week 5: Klas Tjorborn: Falcons 35 Raiders 20 (23/20)
Week 6: qodrn: Raiders 27 Jags 20 (26/23 OT) R
Week 7: raidermarty/VaRaiderNation Raiders 27 –
Chiefs 17 (26/16) R
Week 8: Bye Week.
Week 9: JONGRUDEN2012: Baltimore 47 Oakland 13
Week 10: GG: Saints 45 Raiders 17
Week 11: GG: 34-16 Panthers
Week 12: backstageatapupptshow: Cleveland 27 Oakland 13 – reverse winner – Albert B. Paine 20/17
Week 13: Cork: Denver 33 Raiders 13 (26/13)
Week 14: Plunketthead Raiders 25 Missouri 17 (15-0) R
DKnight007 Says: Carolina 24 Raiders 10
dr_robert Says: raiders 24 panther 13
GG Says: Carolina 44 Oakland 17
LondonAl Says: 24-17 to Raiders
Mulligan44 Says: Panthers 41 Raiders (3 FGs)
Plunketthead Says: Raiders 26 Possumheads 17
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure:Raiders 38 Camolina 21
qodrn: Raiders 27 Carolina 24
RaiderCrunch Says: Oak28 Car 10
RaiderRetribution Says: Raiders 28 Carolina zero
RaiderRockstar: Dirty Pirates 24 Black Panthers 17