Raiders notes vs. Panthers
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, December 23rd, 2012 at 5:12 pm in Oakland Raiders.
On Carolina’s first touchdown, a 23-yard pass from Cam Newton to Steve Smith, left tackle Byron Bell appeared to be holding Raiders defensive end Lamarr Houston.
No flag was thrown.
Much later, when Darren McFadden ran into the end zone from 3 yards out, Stefen Wisniewski was called for holding against a Carolina interior defender, erasing the touchdown.
“I kind of got tripped up,’’ Wisniewski said. “I gave ‘em kind of a final tug before he was going to get off the block. Sometimes they call that; sometimes they don’t. I have to see it on tape to know for sure. But it really stinks when it’s on a touchdown. It really hurts.’’
The two plays helped determine the final outcome in a 17-6 win by the Panthers, but there were head-scratchers galore from the officiating crew on both sides.
On third-and-10 from the Carolina 20-yard line, Tommy Kelly contributed on an apparent sack of Cam Newton. Newton kicked Kelly as they untangled, with Kelly getting a retaliatory foul for unnecessary roughness and a Panthers first down.
“He kicked me and and I aint’ fixing to take that off nobody,’’ Kelly said. “What are you going to do when someone kicks you? You going to take it? Nah.’’
Coach Dennis Allen, although he said he wasn’t exactly sure what happened on the play, wasn’t so sure.
“We’re trying to change the cultre and whatwe have to understand is we have to keep our composure in those types of situations because nothing good comes out of it,’’ Allen said.
Kelly conceded afterward the Raiders were going after Newton with gusto after Carson Palmer was knocked out of the game on a roughing the passer penalty from Greg Hardy, but not in an illegal sense.
“You take our guy out, we’re going to take your guy out,’’ Kelly said.“We’re not out to hurt someone, but when that happens . . .’’
Later in the same drive, Miles Burris appeared to deliver a clean hit to break up a pass to tight end Greg Olson. He got called for hitting a defenseless receiver, just as Carolina linebacker Luke Kuechly did against Darrius Heyward-Bey.
“I’m not the one who makes the calls here,’’ Burris said. “I thought it was pretty clean and I’m going to go out there and continue to play football as hard as I can,’’ Burris said.
Carolina coach Ron Rivera and Allen were both venting their frustrations with officials.
“They have to do the best job they can to protect the players and that’s really where we are right now.’’
Newton was called for unsportsmanlike conduct after making contact with an official after being ridden to the ground by Mike Mitchell, but was not ejected.
Referee Joe Boger told a pool reporter he “missspoke’’ when saying over the loudspeaker that Newton was being penalized for contact. He said Newton was instead penalized for “disrespectfully addressing an official’’ and that the contact “was not of a malicious nature.’’
Newton issued a public apology after the game.
– Palmer’s injury was sustained on a third-and-1 play while rolling to his right to pass. Subsequent third-and-1 plays resulted in a 4-yard loss on a pitch to Darren McFadden and a 2-yard loss on a swing pass from Matt Leinart to Marcel Reece.
Asked if he would have liked to have seen a more straight-ahead approach in short-yardage, Allen said, “ I would like to see us get the first down and that’s what we’ve got to do better at. Up until last week, we were one of the leading teams on third-and-1 . . . we got stopped a couple of times and we’ve got to do better there.’’
– The Raiders longest offensive play of the day was a 22-yard reception by Terrelle Pryor, who took shotgun snap from center, threw wide to Carson Palmer and then caught a return throw on a screen.
– Punter Shane Lechler pinned the Panthers inside the 20-yard line four times.
– A bit of trickery on a punt reverse from Phillip Adams to Mike Mitchell went for just two yards.
– Strong safety Tyvon Branch (foot) and Adams (groin) did not finish the game with injuries.
– Defensive end Dave Tollefson was inactive for the first time this season, with rookie Jack Crawford getting spot duty on the defensive line.
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December 23rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
FIRE KNAPP NOW!
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
2nd
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:18 pm
What sense does it make to trot Pryor out there for one play in the redzone?
Head scratcher, without a doubt.
Knapp is gone.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Why didn’t they play Pryor more? Like, an actual series or two. That was the prime opportunity to see what he was capable of, especially with Palmer being out.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
This is what the Raiders 2013 head coaching search list should look like:
- Jon Gruden
– Greg Roman
– Vic Fangio
– Chris Peterson
– Chip Kelly
– Hue Jackson
– Mike Zimmer
– Nick Saban
– Rex Ryan
I think Gruden as HC with Norv as OC and playcaller would be a great start.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
FIRE DENNIS ALLEN.
FREE TERELLE PRYOR
TRADE OR CUT PALMER, SEYMOUR, KELLY, DHB
FIND SOME DAMN PLAYMAKERS ON D
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
JB Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
FIRE KNAPP NOW!
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I have to agree, I was predicting the offensive plays before Knapp had time to call them in.
run, run, pass, punt. Pretty easy for a DC to game plan.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
mark should have HIRED a Pres. Of Football Ops. Before he hired Reggie (1 time) McMILLEN…Mark never took part in the day to day and needed an experienced voice to look for a GM, not some guy who was recommended by two octogenarians….
Mark should be looking for a Pres. To become Reggie’s boss and real him in a bit.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Sorry guys, but Allen and his D are playing well. Can’t see him and Tarver getting fired.
Knapp is gone though.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Texans and their Zone Scheme just got schooled again , this time at home against the lowly Dolphins. LoNeal pointed out that the league has figured out the zone scheme and that you can’t win in the playoffs these days with that scheme. Stay in your gaps, take away the deep pass and it becomes 1 dimensional.
Reinstate Al Saunders as OC – bring back the Power Scheme!! Even if we have to stomach another season of Sharpie, at least bring back Saunders and the offense that worked so well last year.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Ravens and Packers also are ZBS teams, will they be knocked out in the first round?
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Not unless Greg Knapp gets traded to either.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
We at least know we have a draft pick no later than ninth.
Not much difference in talent between 3rd and 9th.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
3rd round pick would be much better to trade down with.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
#3rd overall pick I meant
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:29 pm
MM34 > Branch
MM34 could be our best defensive player if given a permanent starting spot.
Give me …
- MM34
- Houston
- Wheeler
- Bryant
anytime. Unfortunately, I think at least 3 of those 4 are UFAs this offseason. MM34, Houston and Wheeler especially play with passion, speed and aggression. Bryant has Pro Bowl potential and brings it.
I’d also roll with …
- Huff
- Burris
- Adams
- Shaughnessy
- Chekwa
I’d need to bring in …
- A dominant edge rusher
- A speed rush specialist or two
- A true No. 1 CB
- An upgrade at MLB
I realize that’s a hefty shopping list, but if we could hit on a few of those pieces late in the draft or in free agency bargains, we could have a dominant D.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Cam = Punk
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Both the Niners and Seahawks have coaches that have recently turned their franchises around. Both fired up, passionate, creative. We have Sharpie. sigh…
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:33 pm
DA shouldn’t even be compared to Harbaugh and Pete..
They’ve both been successful in the NCAA and have their teams attention and respect…DA has none of that.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
“Terrelle Pryor not ready to be backup quarterback” “Dennis Allen not ready to be a Head Coach either”. Didn’t stop the team from giving Allen a chance. Today & next week are meaningless games. What better opportunity to see if TP6 has ability or a future with the Raiders? We already know Leinart is a full-time backup QB. We just want to know if we need to waste any more time, effort or roster spot on TP6. If he’s all that bad then cut him. Otherwise, let the kid play. End the debate now. This season has been over for awhile now in case you forgot. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
After Leinert’s performance today he is not ready to be a backup either.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
I saw on NFLN that CBSSPORTS is reporting Raiders plan on retaining Dennis Allen and Reggie McKenzie.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
672.2romes Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:35 pm
I will answer my own Question since the Reggie fans have not answered it. Zone blocking teams have not won more superbowl the power blocking team. So if Reggie wants a better chance at winning why did he come here so committed to that scheme?
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:37 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:33 pm
DA shouldn’t even be compared to Harbaugh and Pete..
They’ve both been successful in the NCAA and have their teams attention and respect…DA has none of that.
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Very true. There’s no comparison really. It’s like comparing an MLB All-Star to a Class A kid who hit .275 with 5 HRs. It’s ridiculous to even try to begin to even think about possibly measuring the two against one another.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:37 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
I saw on NFLN that CBSSPORTS is reporting Raiders plan on retaining Dennis Allen and Reggie McKenzie.
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This shouldn’t be news. It’s bee the plan all along.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:38 pm
They have to DJ…MARK signed hem both to long term deals he can’t afford to buy out.
He’s handcuffed by this quick decision making and now we are stuck with these clowns.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:38 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
I saw on NFLN that CBSSPORTS is reporting Raiders plan on retaining Dennis Allen and Reggie McKenzie.
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Merry Christmas!!!
LOL. See you in 2014.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Bye check cashing players. Hello check cashing coaches.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:40 pm
This blog will explode the day reggie announces knapp will be brought back
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Hey guys, was at the game today. Actually had sideline passes. Was very cool! Stood right by the tunnel where the Raiders came out. Shook Jim Plunkett’s hand. Derek Hagan took some pics with some fans that were next to me. Seemed like a really nice guy. As Knapp was walking out, I said “let’s go Knapp, get us a win today”. He gave me a nice smile. I really wanted to tell him he is a POS. This was all at about 11:00am or so, so when they were walking out of the tunnel, it was pretty empty. So it wasn’t like I was hollaring at them. Was just talking normal. There weren’t a lot of people around at that time. Al Saunders was right next to me talking to a professional photographer for a while. He took pics with a few fans as well. I should have gotten one, but didn’t. Seemed like a very nice guy. Slowlando was in street clothes and walked by me. Got a ton of good pics. Shook Reggie Mckenzies hand. Was very nice. Saw him about 45min later on the sideline and he acknowledged me. He took pics with fans as well. A very cool experience! Wish we would have gotten a win.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Longest play of the game a Pryor reception? Lol
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:44 pm
DA is talking about culture change….this is the same guy who was all smiles when Denver handed the Raiders a major Azz kicking earlier this season? Is that the new Raider culture? Get kicked in the face and smile while your running back to the huddle? All TK did was get in Cams face! DA is the Raiders Crying Game! He’s a walking Mangina!
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Oaklnad Raiders will reportedly keep Coach, GM
By Marc Sessler
Around the League Writer
Published: Dec. 23, 2012 at 12:52 p.m.
Updated: Dec. 23, 2012 at 01:53 p.m.
It has not been a pretty season for the Oakland Raiders, but owner Mark Davis is maintaining patience.
CBSSports.com’s Jason La Canfora cited league sources in reporting that Davis does not intend to fire first-year coach Dennis Allen or first-year general manager Reggie McKenzie but will make moves to fortify the front office during the offseason.
La Canfora reported that Davis is enamored with Ray Anderson, the NFL’s vice president of football operations, and sources believe the longtime league executive might jump at the right opportunity. Anderson has Bay Area ties and significant experience working as an agent and at the team level.
The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a talent-poor team that was stripped of draft picks in 2012. More time is needed to evaluate the current regime, but adding someone with Anderson’s experience might further help an organization that continues to turn the page on the Al Davis era.
Follow Marc Sessler on Twitter @MarcSesslerNFL.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
McFadden got SANDBLASTED as soon as Reggie was GM.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Yee-hah. Exciting stuff here (LMAO):
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000115079/article/oakland-raiders-reportedly-will-keep-coach-gm
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
How quickly you guys forget that QUALITY coaches like Chuck Pagano LAUGHED when asked about the Raiders job last year.
Guys, no quality coach wants to come here. None.
Firing DA will result in some other not-quite-ready project showing up and rebuilding.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Cable boombiya! Cable boombiya! I truly miss the cable guy… We’RE losers again.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:48 pm
What a complete f-ing joke Mark has turned this org into.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Missed the 1st half of the game to finish a round of golf. Was playing pretty good until I broke out the Bridgestone with the Raider logo. Like our running game that thing couldn’t find a hole.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
How quickly you guys forget that QUALITY coaches like Chuck Pagano LAUGHED when asked about the Raiders job last year.
Guys, no quality coach wants to come here. None.
Firing DA will result in some other not-quite-ready project showing up and rebuilding.
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Not necessarily.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:50 pm
My instinct is that Mark Davis had issues with his father. he brought back Marcus and Gruden to lite the torch. that woud have pissed off Al. My point is that when needed Reggie blames everything on Al and has gotten a pass. Reggie also will save DA as long as possible because DA will be the scapegoat someday. If he fired DA, then Reggie would be next. So look for DA to be here 3 years, I think Knapp will be here too next year. It blows my mind how Knapp and Oakland Raiders can ever be in the same sentence. Calling 3 screens in row today has cemented him as the stupidest playcaller i have witnessed.
I hope Reggie proves me wrong. My only hope is somehow DA wakes up and fires knapp. I feel sick to my stomach about our future , because Reggie has shown me nothing to have confidence in. hope i’m wrong. Wish Mark Davis would sell the team.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
alex7 Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
How quickly you guys forget that QUALITY coaches like Chuck Pagano LAUGHED when asked about the Raiders job last year.
Guys, no quality coach wants to come here. None.
Firing DA will result in some other not-quite-ready project showing up and rebuilding.
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Why? If we’re just like the other 31 teams in the NFL, as so many aspired for us to have been, what’s the reason they wouldn’t consider the Raiders now? Al’s gone, right? Wasn’t he our one and only problem? That’s sure as shlt the line many have been pushing for years.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
2romes Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
McFadden got SANDBLASTED as soon as Reggie was GM.
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I think at this point I’d rather have Reece, Goodson and Stewart. They have all proven they can play, and look better than Dmac.
You can’t hitch your wagon to some dude who can only play half a season.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
fvc you cork trying to give DA an excuse…
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
I do not like our offensive output any more than you guys but you make it sound like last year we were an offensive juggernaut.
The big three wins leading up to the collapse last year were against the
Bolts (8-8)
Bears (8-8) without Cutler
Vikings (3-13) without Peterson
BFD
Down the stretch:
Lose to the Dolphins 34-14
Lose to the Packer 46-14 (could have been much worse)
Lose to the Lions 28-27 The O did perform better but do you remember we could not run out the clock with a substantial lead.
Beat the Chiefs 16-13 in OT. We did better in our last game against the Chiefs in regulation that this performance.
Lose 38-26 to the Chargers playing catch up the entire game.
Our offense struggles against good defenses. Has since 2003. Why do you think we got Palmer in the first place. How did our O look with Bollar?
I hardly think 2011 were the “Good Old Days”.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
alex7 Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
How quickly you guys forget that QUALITY coaches like Chuck Pagano LAUGHED when asked about the Raiders job last year.
Guys, no quality coach wants to come here. None.
Firing DA will result in some other not-quite-ready project showing up and rebuilding.
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The incident you’re talking about happened BEFORE Al hired Hue Jackson and was in response to working for Al again, NOT Reggie.
Obviously things have gotten much worse since Al died so your slam on the org. is still valid.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:53 pm
There are only 32 spots to available to be a Head Coach, it’s not hard to fill a job like that.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:54 pm
I told you the sad truth.
Our only hope is for the Chargers to beat us to the tune of 55-3 next week. It’s our best and perhaps only shot at seeing meaningful change at the top of the organization (HC and entire coaching staff at least) this off-season. Otherwise, 2013 is going to be another crock of shlt.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Twas the night before Christmas and as I pawed through my stash, the weed was all gone and so was the hash. I found an old sock, thinking ‘It’ll do in a pinch.” but Oh lord the first drag, how it made me wince! As I lay on the floor, hacking up a lung…I saw an old man, he looked like a bum. “Merry Christmas”, said he, his speech in a slur. I thought #$%$?”, my mind all a blur. “You’ve been a good stoner, let me refill your stash.” He giggled as he handed me some Lebanese hash! Then he opened his sack and quick as a flash, refilled my bong, said “Let’s have a bash!” When out on the lawn there arose such a clattter, I snuck to the window to what was the matter. When what should appear, to my eyes glazed and red, but a van from Tri Country Narcotics…..Ahhh f***, I’m dead!
“Dude, I gotta split,” Stoner Santa said, as he staggered out the window, rolled into his sled. And I heard that SOB exclaim as he drove out of sight. “Merry Christmas you stoners, roll them doobies tight!”
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
2romes Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
McFadden got SANDBLASTED as soon as Reggie was GM.
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I think at this point I’d rather have Reece, Goodson and Stewart. They have all proven they can play, and look better than Dmac.
You can’t hitch your wagon to some dude who can only play half a season.
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why didnt reggie trade dmac prior to the season. could at a minimum got a 2nd rounder for him. now probably 4th..this is my problem with Reggie. He didnt have the ability to evaluate his own team . He thought we could compete for the playoffs and wasted a whole year. Now he’s gonna rebuild..
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
There gonna keep DA, Reggie, Knapp and Tarver. Then blame the players and throw them under the bus during the off-season. They will get rid of as many of them as they can and then blame next years pathetic season on all of the new faces that they have brought in. Year three they finally dump Knapp but now have to get rid of all the players that fit that system. Then they get another year to blame “it’s a new system.” See a trend here? Every mediocre NFL franchise uses the same reasons that they stink every year. This nightmare will go on for years. 8-8 will be about five years from now. Buckle up Nation. Embrace the suck. Reggie will never admit that his first hire was a franchise killing mistake.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
If mark really brings DA back thats too bad… He should have never hired reggie, should have never fired hue, and now hes keeping DA on board… Lol hes a joke and so will this team continue to be. The raiders are doomed with tommy boy at the helm.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
fvck them too wont be renewing my season tix or buying anything raiders until that dvmbaszs reggie is outta here…
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
no matter what happens in SD, DA will be back. its all on the players for 2012.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:58 pm
havent seen a in Reggie we trust guy in awhile in here. maybe they left when Reggie cut bartell, the guy reggie signed to be our number 1 cb
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Riderm, thanks for sharing your experience.
DA stays. Firing coaches after 1 year sets terrible precedence by Mark.
Tarver stays. Terrible roster, lack of choices that want to come here, and D showing improvement.
Knapp gone.
Reggie gets 3-5 years to re-build roster
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
2romes Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
McFadden got SANDBLASTED as soon as Reggie was GM.
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I think at this point I’d rather have Reece, Goodson and Stewart. They have all proven they can play, and look better than Dmac.
You can’t hitch your wagon to some dude who can only play half a season.
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why didnt reggie trade dmac prior to the season. could at a minimum got a 2nd rounder for him. now probably 4th..this is my problem with Reggie. He didnt have the ability to evaluate his own team . He thought we could compete for the playoffs and wasted a whole year. Now he’s gonna rebuild..
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He wanted to see if Dmac could ball and stay healthy. 0 for 2 on that.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
NOW Mark is looking for a Pres. Of Football Ops…
After he’s already invested in Mumbles and Pinnochio.
Should have hired the Pres. First and let him hire a GM…
But he was too eager to wipe away Dad’s guys and Hue.
No wonder Al kept him hidden in a broom closet at Harbor Pkwy.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
i think all we can hope for is knapp to be gone. The Defense has looked better which will save tarver. the offense has always been bad and will always be bad with knapp as their leader.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:01 pm
How can anyone watch this game and still feel DA should be fired? He and Tarver seem to be turning this defense around. This defense is playing with passion and there flying around and there playing tuff. To those who said the defensive performance against the chiefs wasnt dominant and that Carolina would torch us, do you still think our Defense is trash? We shut down Charles, and this week he goes for 100 yards. We made Cam, cry and pout all game, lol.
Our defense is getting better while playing street free agents/ practice squad players (Carter, Adams, Ross, Wheeler). A couple of Reggie’s picks (Burris, and that young DT he drafted), along with some of AL Davis players(Houston,Bryant, Mitchell,Branch,Kelly). Imagine if we can get some play makers on the defensive side in this years draft?
Now the clearest issue this team has is the Offense. While the defense does show signs of improvements, the offense clearly has continued to show its futility. We are already in week 16 and this offense has shown no sign of progression. If Allen truthfully examines why this offense hasn’t clicked, his conclusion would be, IT’S KNAPP’S FAULT!!!! Allen needs to understand that if Knapp OS retained, our offense will suck next year, and he will likely be fired. Do the right thing Allen, Fire Knapp.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Church yo….
“D0A and company tried to fix what wasn’t broke, and didn’t fix what was. “
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
reggie is the greedy coniving son al had him pegged…
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Reggie showed up to his introductory presser without knowing the roster top to bottom…at as well prepared as our Career Back Up QB, who looked I’ll prepared today.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
2romes Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
McFadden got SANDBLASTED as soon as Reggie was GM.
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I think at this point I’d rather have Reece, Goodson and Stewart. They have all proven they can play, and look better than Dmac.
You can’t hitch your wagon to some dude who can only play half a season.
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why didnt reggie trade dmac prior to the season. could at a minimum got a 2nd rounder for him. now probably 4th..this is my problem with Reggie. He didnt have the ability to evaluate his own team . He thought we could compete for the playoffs and wasted a whole year. Now he’s gonna rebuild..
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He wanted to see if Dmac could ball and stay healthy. 0 for 2 on that.
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if your supposedly rebuilding and you can get value for a guy who has a 2 year contract why wouldnt u trade him. Thats because reggie wasnt rebuilding, he thought they could win, and now that we didnt win he wants us all to believe he was rebuilding.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Knapp’s not going anywhere. They have been blaming the players all season long. This was the plan all along. Hue called it when he said that they were going to gut this team. Say hello to your 2013 Oakland Browns.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
reggie is the greedy coniving son al had him pegged…
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No, I can’t see Wolf/Madden recommending a guy like that.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
DA AND HIS MOTELY CRUE SUCK5 DONKEY SACK
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Jury’s out on Mark Davis and Reggie….. Reality and what we were expecting are two very diffrent things…..this wasn’t a good team last year….about as weak an 8/8 team as you’ll see…..I think Mark, Reggie and Allen should get the Benefit of doubt till they get through at least 1 draft and some free agents….that’s how it’s gonna workout anyway…. Might as well go with it…
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
DA AND HIS MOTLEY CRUE SUCK5 DONKEY 5ACK
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
This team needs to improve to be the Browns…
Our D playing well against bottom dwellers means nothing.
The humiliating, blow out losses against quality teams tell it all…
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
2romes Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
McFadden got SANDBLASTED as soon as Reggie was GM.
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I think at this point I’d rather have Reece, Goodson and Stewart. They have all proven they can play, and look better than Dmac.
You can’t hitch your wagon to some dude who can only play half a season.
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why didnt reggie trade dmac prior to the season. could at a minimum got a 2nd rounder for him. now probably 4th..this is my problem with Reggie. He didnt have the ability to evaluate his own team . He thought we could compete for the playoffs and wasted a whole year. Now he’s gonna rebuild..
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He wanted to see if Dmac could ball and stay healthy. 0 for 2 on that.
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if your supposedly rebuilding and you can get value for a guy who has a 2 year contract why wouldnt u trade him. Thats because reggie wasnt rebuilding, he thought they could win, and now that we didnt win he wants us all to believe he was rebuilding.
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I’m sure they had intentions of keeping him if he showed he was a top tier back. Doesn’t look like it now.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:09 pm
“Might as well go with it…”
NOPE. 0% GOING WITH THAT HORSESHAT….
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Is McFadden a top tier Back, or is Knapp a top tier Coordinator?
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:11 pm
no way pryor could have done what leinart did today. glad leinart knows all the plays. lol
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:11 pm
I think everyone should get over Pryor.
I’d like to see what the kid has also, but it sure looks like the team has decided what place he has in the organization.
Aside from all the guys saying that he’s not playing because everyone anywhere near it is a moron, I have no trouble believing that he really doesn’t have what it takes.
He’s obviously a great athlete, but it takes more than that. I don’t recall any other team showing the slightest interest in him. That’s 31 other football professionals who took a pass.
Not something to make me believe that everyone that works in Alameda is an idiot.
At this point, it doesn’t matter if they play him or not. Too late to see anything. They sure aren’t going to play him to satisfy a handful of delusional fans who put on their tin-foil hats and think it’s some conspiracy.
Maybe they’re just right about him.
Except for Knapp. He can’t possibly be right about anything. If he’s not unemployed by January 11th, I’ll be astounded.
And I’ll be closer to the “They’re all idiots” bandwagon.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:11 pm
NEITHER AT HSI POINT (ESP K-NAPP)
KRAPP KILLED DMAC
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Dmac is not a top tier back. Injury prone and lacks vision and instincts.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:13 pm
And there’s no way in hell that Reggie could have gotten a 2nd for McFadden this off season.
Coming off a season ending foot injury?
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:13 pm
No coach or GM will ever say what I am saying. This is a 3-5 year project. The four year contract tells you everything you need to know.
“We do not have enough talent to compete, but please buy season tickets for the next 3 years while we rebuild.”
Comon.
2011 was hardly impressive either. Anyone who thought we were going to be better did not see how weak a team we really had.
No NAME coaches would sign up for the deal because of the shape the team was in. That is why we had to give four year contracts.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Knapp has Flamed out as an OC everywhere he’s been employed…
He should have never been given a contract based on his performance here before.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Dmac is not a top tier back. Injury prone and lacks vision and instincts.
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But everybody thought he was a top tier back last year. What happened?
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Yep…McFaddens had more down side than up..not living up to the Billing
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:15 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
I saw on NFLN that CBSSPORTS is reporting Raiders plan on retaining Dennis Allen and Reggie McKenzie.
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as long as it didnt say AND Greg Knapp
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Asked if he would have liked to have seen a more straight-ahead approach in short-yardage, Allen said, “ I would like to see us get the first down and that’s what we’ve got to do better at.
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You know what you need to do. Just do it.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Knapp won’t be back and if he does, it will be in the Al Saunders position but he doesn’t deserve that.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
FCK SAN FRANCISCO and the posters in here who root for them when it’s convenient or they are in full melt down mode.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Seachickens putting it to the whiners
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:18 pm
DA can ‘t even answer a direct question about the short yardage without pandering to mediocrity…freakin guy has NO biz being an NFL HC.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Cables zone blocking doesnt look so bad.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Hate to say it, but
Seattle looks like th team we used to be, tough, opportunistic, fans going ballistic for 4 qtrs.
Cokie, Mumbles and Pinnochio have taken that all away with their pizz poor leadership.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:20 pm
POST-46,NEXT SEASON WILL BE ANOTHER TUFF SEASON NO MATTER WHO THE STAFF IS.2014 WILL BE AN IMPOVEMENT AND THE UPSWING WILL BEGIN 4 REAL..
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Alley Cat Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Asked if he would have liked to have seen a more straight-ahead approach in short-yardage, Allen said, “ I would like to see us get the first down and that’s what we’ve got to do better at.
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You know what you need to do. Just do it.
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He’s calling out the offense, and more importantly Knapp.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Note to Reggie Mckenzie.
If Knapp is still here next season…..keep Jano.
Seems to be the only player that can score fkn points.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:22 pm
I am predicting that NOTHING changes in 2013.
- McKenzie stays
- ALL the coaches remain (incl K-KRAPP) (?!?)
- (Most) ALL the players return (!?!)
The party line will be “all need more time to succeed”. ‘we are changing teh culture and building something that requires a foundation.” (Which acc’d to DoA and friends -includes- the B-rate players we have now!)
“We are only a few draft picks and a couple of free agents away from a playoff run”.
As IMMENSELY disappointing and depressing as that “message” will be THAT will be the goods Mark D is told. And like last year he will be a blind faith buyer hook line and sinker.
DO I -want- any of this? No (besides perhaps retaining RM…with a new president of football operations boss).
Doesnt matter what I or any fan (or any rational human being for that matter) thinks or says. The writing is on the wall.
Cant get much more depressing that this….
Boy do I hope I’m wrong.
Sadly I bet I am spot on…
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Yep…Cables done a good job there
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:23 pm
i really dont care who coaches our team as long as they bring improvement to the field…i dont hate DA by any means….but i cant think of any reason as to why he should be a coach in the nfl….give me a reason why he should be brought back here..i honestly cant think of any
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Thank you Dirt Lot
That is what I have been saying.
Slow rebuilding when you are missing three of your top four picks in your first two drafts.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:26 pm
and btw….those seahawks uni’s are gross
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Canadianraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:23 pm
i really dont care who coaches our team as long as they bring improvement to the field…i dont hate DA by any means….but i cant think of any reason as to why he should be a coach in the nfl….give me a reason why he should be brought back here..i honestly cant think of any
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I think that has been covered to death in here.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
And to those who say Allen has no passion, he sure showed a lot today. Just saying.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Alley Cat Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Asked if he would have liked to have seen a more straight-ahead approach in short-yardage, Allen said, “ I would like to see us get the first down and that’s what we’ve got to do better at.
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You know what you need to do. Just do it.
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He’s calling out the offense, and more importantly Knapp.
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Nice.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Calling out Knapp is as easy as walking over to him and asking why he keeps running that freakin stretch play on 3rd and short…week after week.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Canadianraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:23 pm
i really dont care who coaches our team as long as they bring improvement to the field…i dont hate DA by any means….but i cant think of any reason as to why he should be a coach in the nfl….give me a reason why he should be brought back here..i honestly cant think of any
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I think that has been covered to death in
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just repeating myself after every loss..which have been plenty
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Reasons 1 – 6,000,000: Guaranteed $ owed on the remainder of his contract.
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“give me a reason why he should be brought back here..i honestly cant think of any”
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
There are a few horses around here that have been beaten to death, about 200 times a day, 80 times per post.
The Hue Horse should be retired.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
And Matt Lice, is who we thought he was. TRASH!!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Leinarts post game interview was as lack luster as his on field performance…
Dude is a loser, period.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:33 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
FCK SAN FRANCISCO and the posters in here who root for them when it’s convenient or they are in full melt down mode.
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Thats what bad football does. You simply appreciate sound defense, hitting, etc.
Raiders need to step it up. I mean Raider Nation is on board, but it is what it is.
and I agree the Hue Horse has been beaten to death … lets move on, please.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Apparently doesn’t own a razor either…
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:34 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Leinarts post game interview was as lack luster as his on field performance…
Dude is a loser, period.
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A long way from hittin it with Paris Hilton and knocking up USC volleyball players.
thought he had some game….
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:35 pm
That is my point there is no logic in Reggie decisions. You don’t run your best players in the mud and expect to get value for them.52 and new. Reggie’s motto?
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48.nycraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
2romes Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
McFadden got SANDBLASTED as soon as Reggie was GM.
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I think at this point I’d rather have Reece, Goodson and Stewart. They have all proven they can play, and look better than Dmac.
You can’t hitch your wagon to some dude who can only play half a season.
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why didnt reggie trade dmac prior to the season. could at a minimum got a 2nd rounder for him. now probably 4th..this is my problem with Reggie. He didnt have the ability to evaluate his own team . He thought we could compete for the playoffs and wasted a whole year. Now he’s gonna rebuild..
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Da Trinity Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
And to those who say Allen has no passion, he sure showed a lot today. Just saying.
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Hey cokbreath, was he showing passion when he yukked it up with Fox after a blowout?
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:35 pm
We need to purge this roster of undisciplined non productive check cashiers. Reggie would have had to give Seymour 5-6mill just to cut him this year…. And several others had same deal because of Al’s chronic cap problems. This offseason we purge a lot of it. We gave rout and the linebacker from Cleveland millions to walk this year to avoid further issues. These business issues have had this teams future mortgaged for years as al wanted one on way out!
Mark and Reggie did the class thing and didn’t throw the old man who is dead under the bus and tell you guys the truth which is he made desperate irrational moves and the best it got him was 8-8 last year.
Btw 9-7 doesn’t win the afc west anymore thanks to manning.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Leinart gave me flashbacks of Boller and McCown. Dude looked scared.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:36 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Calling out Knapp is as easy as walking over to him and asking why he keeps running that freakin stretch play on 3rd and short…week after week.
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ZBS has been figured out, and Knapp cannot counter punch. Raiders would be awful in the 3rd quarter…
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:37 pm
IF MR.BCKENZIE DOES HAVE A STAFF PURG PLANNED,I HOPE THE AXE FALLS MONDAY A.M. WHY WAIT ??
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:37 pm
he_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Da Trinity Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
And to those who say Allen has no passion, he sure showed a lot today. Just saying.
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Hey cokbreath, was he showing passion when he yukked it up with Fox after a blowout?
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I’m sure that turned off a lot of the old guard of the Raiders. – he’s lucky he’s under contract….they cannot miss in the next draft…
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
MCKENZIE HE MENT TO SAY..
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:37 pm
IF MR.BCKENZIE DOES HAVE A STAFF PURG PLANNED,I HOPE THE AXE FALLS MONDAY A.M. WHY WAIT ??
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Mark Davis may bust a cap in all of them if they get blown out v. San Diego
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Tuckrule,
Have you been to Tarpon Bend in Coral Gables? Not sure what your situation is but you’ll come across more, hot single ladies than lateral pass plays by Knapp…if thats possible. lol
Heart breaking week in and week out with this team.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Im a big fan of what Pete is doing in Seattle. Complete opposite of what these dipsh#ts have done with the Raiders. Mark f#cked up, and saddly, because he doesnt know football well enough, hes gonna allow Reggie and DA to con him into believing that things were so bad. The players are so terrible. All BS. Every NFL team has a cap. Every NFL team has overpaid players. These boys came in here at the beginning of the season talking playoffs. Look it up. Then they came in here, thought they knew it all, and f#cked the whole thing up. All these cats in here complaining about the talent, everyone needs to stop even entertaining their posts, because these guys dont know what they are talking about, and probably dont even watch football. Mark is gonna be too naive to do anything. Hes getting conned by Reggie into believing that its all on the players now. Sad state for the Raiders. These clowns come back, you can book another losing season. DA is not a head coach. Damn shame what theyre doing with the Raiders.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:39 pm
If Mark doesn’t fire DA after firing Hue he is the biggest fu**king hypocrite in this organization…and that’s saying something.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:40 pm
DMac is our most talented player.
No one trades their most talented player for a 2nd rounder before a season starts.
Silly talk.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:43 pm
#31 DJG
thanks for sharing!
Mark Davis is doing the right thing…
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:43 pm
The quickest way to respectability will be to build the defense. Our first pick will be a DT and our next will be a DE.
In 2014 we will address the Oline even though that is the heart of the football team.
Not saying we can not get lucky somewhere with our fourth or fifth rounder but we will be in most games with a solid D.
As far as getting much with our existing talent in trades, please remember that 13 players that were on our roster last year are now out of the NFL.
Just because somebody starts for us does not mean they are very good.
I am also pleased to hear we are moving on to more relevant topics than changing the coaches for the 8th time in 11 years.
It is amazing how smart a guy like Cable is when he has talent like at Atlanta and Seattle.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Every team has cap problems and overpaid contracts and roster like raiders? You’re in delusion if you think we have good football players as opposed to freak athletes who can’t play…..
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:44 pm
morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Leinart gave me flashbacks of Boller and McCown. Dude looked scared.
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Leinart really disappointed me out there today. He was sharp, as long as everything was sweet. But when it got dirty, it looked like he didnt want to be a football player. As a man, it looked like he realized his place in this life; clip holder.
At least TP wanted to play. They should have gave him the keys. And I love how he took that hit and got right back up. Leinart would have folded with that hit, and it wouldnt have been pretty. This team is just under some real f#cked up management, top to bottom, and its killed the spirit of this team on the field.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:45 pm
fingers Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Jury’s out on Mark Davis and Reggie….. Reality and what we were expecting are two very diffrent things…..this wasn’t a good team last year….about as weak an 8/8 team as you’ll see…..I think Mark, Reggie and Allen should get the Benefit of doubt till they get through at least 1 draft and some free agents….that’s how it’s gonna workout anyway…. Might as well go with it…
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So back-to-back 8-8 seasons were some kind of fluke and despite a major upgrade at QB (Palmer with a full off-season over Cap’n Checkdown Campbell) 4-12 with 2 of those wins coming on last-play FGs and 3 of the 4 against 2-13 teams is about what we should’ve expected?
Riiiiiight. Not buying it.
I could just as easily show you how we really should be 0-15 right now as you can suggest last year’s team should’ve been about a 4 or 5 win team.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:45 pm
I probably would have used kinder words but he is right!!!
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120.The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:39 pm
If Mark doesn’t fire DA after firing Hue he is the biggest fu**king hypocrite in this organization…and that’s saying something.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:45 pm
No winning season in 10years with how many coaches? And you still think its the coaches… ALS senility is rubbing off
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:45 pm
mikeschoice Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Every team has cap problems and overpaid contracts and roster like raiders? You’re in delusion if you think we have good football players as opposed to freak athletes who can’t play…..
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Who are the freak athletes youre referring to that cant play? We may definitely have different views of the team.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:46 pm
DMac is our most talented player.
No one trades their most talented player for a 2nd rounder before a season starts.
Silly talk.
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when your most productive player is injury prone, overpaid and getting outplayed by 3 other guys at the same position on the same team … it’s time to move on
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Lientert is the back up QB, he hasn’t been taking much of the 1st team reps.
He’s also only thrown one pass in a regular game this season.
He’s not comfortable with the WR’s yet.
Patience.
There, I said it for you Knapp
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:47 pm
mikeschoice Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:45 pm
No winning season in 10years with how many coaches? And you still think its the coaches… ALS senility is rubbing off
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I’ll remember to ignore your comments. You dont know anything about football if youre defending this staff. I’ll stick to conversing with those that actually know a thing or two.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Our only pro bowlers are kickers! LOL
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:47 pm
BTW, did Bergstrom blow the block that got Palmer hurt. I didn’t see the play, but saw Bergstrom running backwards toward Palmer in a still shot where he’s getting absolutely crunched.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:48 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:38 pm
They have to DJ…MARK signed hem both to long term deals he can’t afford to buy out.
He’s handcuffed by this quick decision making and now we are stuck with these clowns.
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Thats the hand were dealt with. Can only hope they draft a difference maker with the draft….
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Sad as it may be, I think you could make an argument that …
Boller > Leinart
and
Breshnahan > DA
That’s where we’re at.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:47 pm
BTW, did Bergstrom blow the block that got Palmer hurt. I didn’t see the play, but saw Bergstrom running backwards toward Palmer in a still shot where he’s getting absolutely crunched.
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No, Palmer ran, and held onto the ball as the backside rusher blew him up
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:50 pm
John David
You can say that we have the same talent as everyone else but the Cable story says otherwise.
Some of you have talked about Carroll arriving in Seattle as the real reason behind Seattle’s’ resurgence. Something we in Oakland have a right to expect. Immediate fix without doing the basics such as drafting well and building in the box talent.
Take a look at Seattle’s top two picks in the last six drafts and you will see that 9 OF THE 12 PICKS WERE TAKEN ON IN THE BOX PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mr. Davis would not let that happen. That was Cable’s preference all along and he said so in interviews. I watched them. It is a primary reason he was not retained.
“Ask any Seattle player, and he will speak of how important Cable has been. He has helped give Seattle its physical mindset. (Running back Marshawn) Lynch even waited for reassurance that Cable would be back for 2012 before he agreed to re-sign.”
Schefter opined that Cable is on track to be considered for another head coaching gig in the NFL based on the wonders he has worked with the Seahawks.
Ryan, John Fox, Norv, Callahan, Cable have had success when given some talent to work with POST THEIR RAIDER EXPERIENCE.
I would argue our talent is far below the NFL norm. More troubling is our payroll is among the highest.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Sad as it may be, I think you could make an argument that …
Boller > Leinart
and
2002 defenses Breshnahan > DA
That’s where we’re at.
They’re, now its fixed.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm
No reason to play lienart today.. its retarded. Fire the staff
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Another TD for Seattle
they are working these fools…. Niners probably too high after Patriot win
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:53 pm
CP looked like he was going to break in half…
Hate to ever see a Raider QB get folded like that.
Glad he was able to walk off, he should take next week off,
But he prolly won’t.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:53 pm
This Seattle offense is putting up some big numbers…didn’t think they’d hang 28 at the half against the Whiners.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Seattle has been rebuilding since Clinton was in office. Please don’t compare them to the Raiders. They did it right.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:54 pm
build the lines this offseason!!
Barnes, Smith & Carlisle are outta here
Seymour, Tollefson & Carter are outta here
Brisiel & Kelly = wishful thinking (but they will stick, unfortunately)
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:56 pm
FROM THE FRONT BACK,ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL.AGREED ROCKSTAR.HOW R U SIR ?
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Got to build both lines up this offseason. If they don’t, it’ll be another great mistake to chalk up for this regime.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:57 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:53 pm
CP looked like he was going to break in half…
Hate to ever see a Raider QB get folded like that.
Glad he was able to walk off, he should take next week off,
But he prolly won’t.
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You gotta admit, Palmer took a huge shot. He’s pretty tough. If nothing else you got to give him that.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:57 pm
where is this last year weak division stuff coming from. ESPN? Denver got in a beat a so called strong division opponent.We are in the AFC West. Call it what you want. Strong divisions, weak divisions whatever eases the mind from the dump the Raiders took this year.. Where is the easy 8-8.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:59 pm
doing well Dirt Lot. How are you?
I got a nice Christmas surprise. my wife is pregnant again!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Marks Hair Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm
No reason to play lienart today.. its retarded. Fire the staff
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Yeah you got Newton, Foles, Kaepernick, Wilson, Mcelroy, RGII, etc etc playing today and TP can’t even get in the damn game. NONSENSE. His preseason warranted some frickin playing time.
FIRE DA
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
I saw on NFLN that CBSSPORTS is reporting Raiders plan on retaining Dennis Allen and Reggie McKenzie.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
theres nothing wrong with keeping both of them.
they need a OC and a draft to see what they can do offensively.
Defensively, you cant blame Tarver for everything…He had no pass rusher and no decent CB’s, also he had multiple injuries….Knapp on the other hand has no excuse
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Palmer has 100 INT’s every 50 games.
yeah you know he’s tough to keep showing up every day saying he’s a leader. follow me to greatness fellas!
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Moving the franchise to Saskatchewan and renaming the team the “snowflakes” > Keeping Knapp.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm
@ROCKSTAR,ALL IS WELL.GUESS I KNOW WHAT U BEEN DOIN IN UR SPARE TIME:)..GOOD FOR U AND THE WIFE..
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm
@ James Trapp
No, what he did with Fox was shameful. Dis graceful. But he showed emotion today. He was fired up when our defense made plays. He got on refs for bad calls, he was visibly upset when the offense went 3 and out. So he showed emotion. And watch ur mouth F@g, before you get blood in it.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Sup raidernation ..I been reading here for long time but never posted her
e…my first post…why don’t so of y’all call raiders and tell mark to FIRED THE WHOLE DAMN STAFF OR ELSE WE ANIT GOING TO RENEW OUR TICKETS UNTIL THERE’S REAL CHANGE…PUT YALL FOOT DOWN!! BEEN 10 LONG YEARS..NO MORE PATIENCE ANYMORE!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Da Trinity Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm
@ James Trapp
No, what he did with Fox was shameful. Dis graceful. But he showed emotion today. He was fired up when our defense made plays. He got on refs for bad calls, he was visibly upset when the offense went 3 and out. So he showed emotion. And watch ur mouth F@g, before you get blood in it.
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That was b.s. hated that moment after they got blown out…wtf was up with laughing with John Fox
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Raiders will have a TOP 5 pick next season too as long as DA/ KNAPP are back. Period. KNAPP has gotten alot of coaches fired that brought him in.
JIM MORA JR 2x, Lane Kiffin, and Dennis Allen after next season.
Mark just delaying what is gonna happen next year .. wasting time
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Remember when Seattle sucked bad before JIM Mora was fired in the middle of the night and had hired Pete Carroll without him knowing?
Guess who was OC?? GREG KNAPP lmao
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Chris
We paid a very steep price for last year’s 8-8 in terms of Seymour’s contract, picks for Palmer, Wimbley’s contract the reality that Bush was a FA etc. etc.(What do think our record would have been with Bollar?)
Reggie wanted to keep Bush but we had no cap room. Sure he could have cut Seymour and taken a $7.5 million cap hit but we still have to pay someone else.
Is Reggie responsible for Kelly’s contract? How about Routt or Dmac?
It would be nice to simply look at the record and say pass/fail.
You strike me as someone intelligent enough to know this is a multifaceted problem compounded by an unusually high number of injuries on both sides of the ball, very little depth, missing our first and second round picks and no cap room.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:10 pm
After taking a helmet to the back by defensive end Greg Hardy in the first quarter, Palmer’s status is unclear for the season finale against the San Diego Chargers. X-rays on his ribs were negative.
If Palmer can’t play, coach Dennis Allen made it clear the quarterback will be Matt Leinart, who struggled against the Panthers, and not Terrelle Pryor, who took three snaps in a specialty role.
“Matt’s our backup quarterback,” Allen said. “Terrelle’s done a nice job. He’s working extremely hard. We don’t feel like he’s ready to be the backup quarterback yet.”
http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_22251464/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-says-terrelle-pryor
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wow!!
TP has been with the Raiders for 16 months and 31 games. Everybody says he’s a hard worker with a positive attitude that is improving every day.
Was he a 5-year project when Al Davis drafted him??
How can you not be ready for a #2 job after all this time? coaching staff is ignorant or it’s time to move on from Pryor so that somebody else can give him an opportunity
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:45 pm
No winning season in 10years with how many coaches? And you still think its the coaches… ALS senility is rubbing off
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How many time has the roster changed in the last 10 years? And you still think its the Players? ALS senility is rubbing off.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:50 pm
John David
You can say that we have the same talent as everyone else but the Cable story says otherwise.
Some of you have talked about Carroll arriving in Seattle as the real reason behind Seattle’s’ resurgence. Something we in Oakland have a right to expect. Immediate fix without doing the basics such as drafting well and building in the box talent.
Take a look at Seattle’s top two picks in the last six drafts and you will see that 9 OF THE 12 PICKS WERE TAKEN ON IN THE BOX PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mr. Davis would not let that happen. That was Cable’s preference all along and he said so in interviews. I watched them. It is a primary reason he was not retained.
“Ask any Seattle player, and he will speak of how important Cable has been. He has helped give Seattle its physical mindset. (Running back Marshawn) Lynch even waited for reassurance that Cable would be back for 2012 before he agreed to re-sign.”
Schefter opined that Cable is on track to be considered for another head coaching gig in the NFL based on the wonders he has worked with the Seahawks.
Ryan, John Fox, Norv, Callahan, Cable have had success when given some talent to work with POST THEIR RAIDER EXPERIENCE.
I would argue our talent is far below the NFL norm. More troubling is our payroll is among the highest.
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Charlie, Charlie, Charlie,
How is the Cable story evidence that we DONT have talent? If anything, you picked a REAL BAD example bringing up Cable if your intention is to justify keeping DA. Cause Cables last season here, our talent had no problem stomping the Broncos 59-14. Or stomping the Seahawks 33-3 the next week. Cable was 8-8. Was making some improvement on a bad team. He wasnt retained. Hue was promoted. Talent got us to 8-8 again, even with the owner/GM/assistant coach passing. People like to downplay it like it was a small thing. AL DAVIS, WHO HAD HIS HANDS IN EVERYTHING REGARDING THE RAIDERS DIED. That was a MAJOR blow. And we still fought to 8-8, with a very bad DC in Bresnehan. If we have some good drafts, yes we will have a BETTER roster. Has nothing to do with how these guys have handled this team. I know Cable can coach. Ive been saying such for years. Ive got posts here from when he was first promoted to interim HC where I give stats of him succeeding in his previous stops. I know Cables history well. Why bring him up to defend whats going on with this seasons team and what the coaching staff has done with them. Or were you trying to help prove my point?
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Knapp sucks. Leinart sucks.
we will get blown out next week versus SD
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Terrelle Pryor, fk you
-Dennis Allen
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Yes that was bad raiderSam, but this is a new week. He showed emotion this week. I personally would have liked to see him punch fox, but we know that Wont happen.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Its obvious this coaching staff lacks creativity. No other team would have Leinart this year but the Raiders lmao and knapp.
Why move on from pryor if he is just a 3rd string? why do they even bother playing a 3rd string qb today? Its because PRYOR has that potential… and the only way he can get experience is if he plays. cmon
u think leinart after 7 years in the league and 30 million dollars made has that fire to succeed ? Let pryor play cant be worse
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:10 pm
After taking a helmet to the back by defensive end Greg Hardy in the first quarter, Palmer’s status is unclear for the season finale against the San Diego Chargers. X-rays on his ribs were negative.
If Palmer can’t play, coach Dennis Allen made it clear the quarterback will be Matt Leinart, who struggled against the Panthers, and not Terrelle Pryor, who took three snaps in a specialty role.
“Matt’s our backup quarterback,” Allen said. “Terrelle’s done a nice job. He’s working extremely hard. We don’t feel like he’s ready to be the backup quarterback yet.”
http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_22251464/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-says-terrelle-pryor
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wow!!
TP has been with the Raiders for 16 months and 31 games. Everybody says he’s a hard worker with a positive attitude that is improving every day.
Was he a 5-year project when Al Davis drafted him??
How can you not be ready for a #2 job after all this time? coaching staff is ignorant or it’s time to move on from Pryor so that somebody else can give him an opportunity
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Something strange going on with the TP situation. Not sure what is going on but something is not right.
TP looked and sounded pissed when he was interviewed after the game.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
we still fought to 8-8, with a very bad DC in Bresnehan
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@ JDB
a handful of Raider fans were begging for the return of Chuck B a few weeks ago. I think he was dealt a crappy hand
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Im a big fan of what Pete is doing in Seattle. Complete opposite of what these dipsh#ts have done with the Raiders. Mark f#cked up, and saddly, because he doesnt know football well enough, hes gonna allow Reggie and DA to con him into believing that things were so bad. The players are so terrible. All BS. Every NFL team has a cap. Every NFL team has overpaid players. These boys came in here at the beginning of the season talking playoffs. Look it up. Then they came in here, thought they knew it all, and f#cked the whole thing up. All these cats in here complaining about the talent, everyone needs to stop even entertaining their posts, because these guys dont know what they are talking about, and probably dont even watch football. Mark is gonna be too naive to do anything. Hes getting conned by Reggie into believing that its all on the players now. Sad state for the Raiders. These clowns come back, you can book another losing season. DA is not a head coach. Damn shame what theyre doing with the Raider
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agreed
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Terelle Pryor, you and everyone who wants to see you, kiss my assz.
-Dennis Allen
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Dont forget JIM MORA jr was fired in the middle of the night for Pete Carroll .. didnt even know they had hired him.
Seattle playing shyyt football b4 pete.. and Mora Jr had Knapp as OC . Go ask the seachicken fans how bad KNAPP was up there.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Uggggg, those two 8-8 teams hit their peaks on the bell curve. They were what they were no better and lucky to be that good. I’ve said it before. Get over it.
Ohhhhhh so much talent, 8-8 hooray!
We have no depth and scrubs.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Kell,
why is your version of DA always swearing?
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Raiders notes vs. Panthers On Carolina’s first touchdown, a 23-yard pass from Cam Newton to Steve Smith, left tackle Byron Bell appeared to be holding Raiders defensive end Lamarr Houston. [...]
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Hue jackson was coaching a 4 win roster to 8-8 and making it excting says something about him as a coach. Should have had another year
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
RaidO Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:10 pm
After taking a helmet to the back by defensive end Greg Hardy in the first quarter, Palmer’s status is unclear for the season finale against the San Diego Chargers. X-rays on his ribs were negative.
If Palmer can’t play, coach Dennis Allen made it clear the quarterback will be Matt Leinart, who struggled against the Panthers, and not Terrelle Pryor, who took three snaps in a specialty role.
“Matt’s our backup quarterback,” Allen said. “Terrelle’s done a nice job. He’s working extremely hard. We don’t feel like he’s ready to be the backup quarterback yet.”
http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_22251464/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-says-terrelle-pryor
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wow!!
TP has been with the Raiders for 16 months and 31 games. Everybody says he’s a hard worker with a positive attitude that is improving every day.
Was he a 5-year project when Al Davis drafted him??
How can you not be ready for a #2 job after all this time? coaching staff is ignorant or it’s time to move on from Pryor so that somebody else can give him an opportunity
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Something strange going on with the TP situation. Not sure what is going on but something is not right.
TP looked and sounded pissed when he was interviewed after the game.
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Because he’s gone after this year. Not hard to see.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Charlie & Morilla get it.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Palmer has 100 INT’s every 50 games.
yeah you know he’s tough to keep showing up every day saying he’s a leader. follow me to greatness fellas!
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Actually, Palmer averages 1.07 INTs per game for his career. Nowhere near the 2 per ratio you made up.
Here are some other QBs career INT per game averages for you:
Matthew Stafford: 1.2
Brett Favre: 1.1
Jay Cutler: 1.1
Eli Manning: 1.07
Carson Palmer: 1.07
Drew Brees: .98
Peyton Manning: .94
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Chris
We paid a very steep price for last year’s 8-8 in terms of Seymour’s contract, picks for Palmer, Wimbley’s contract the reality that Bush was a FA etc. etc.(What do think our record would have been with Bollar?)
Reggie wanted to keep Bush but we had no cap room. Sure he could have cut Seymour and taken a $7.5 million cap hit but we still have to pay someone else.
Is Reggie responsible for Kelly’s contract? How about Routt or Dmac?
It would be nice to simply look at the record and say pass/fail.
You strike me as someone intelligent enough to know this is a multifaceted problem compounded by an unusually high number of injuries on both sides of the ball, very little depth, missing our first and second round picks and no cap room.
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Nope, Reggies not responisble for how the contracts were cut when he got here. But he was HIRED as an NFL GM, and it WAS he IS responsible for HOW he managed those contracts. You bring up Seymour? Well, Reggie decided to keep him and pay him for nothing all season. Why bring up Routt? He cut him. Problem solved, right? Why mention DMAC and Kellys contracts? Theyre still on the team RIGHT now. DMAC is a weapon that was one of the league leaders in big runs before he went down. We know that man can play football. How does bringing up his contract help Reggies cause? Kelly is on the team. Hes double teamed damn near EVERY play hes on the field. When hes not, he gets pressure. Kelly has been one of the leaue leaders in QB pressure from the DT position for 3 years now. He comes to work and plays. How is bringing up his contract helping Reggies cause. Im starting to think you Reggie guys are Steve and Jerry. Cause youre not making any sense anymore with your arguments here. These guys have done a p!ss poor job. Thats not make believe or opinion. Thats a straight up fact.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:18 pm
At midseason, most fans were blaming Tim Ruskell for this lost Seahawks season. Well, he’s gone now and the Hawks have only gotten worse, so now those No. 1 fan fingers are pointing directly at coach Jim Mora.
And Mora’s foam finger should be pointing at his offensive coordinator.
There’s a good reason most of us greeted Greg Knapp with a yawn and dismissive wave of the hand (with fingers crossed in hope) when Mora brought his old 49er and Falcon buddy to Seattle. Knapp’s offenses have been like Geo Metros: They run fine, but they can’t pass.
In San Francisco, Knapp learned the West Coast offense from Steve Mariucci and Steve Young, when the 49ers still had one of the best offenses in the league. Mariucci made Knapp his offensive coordinator in 2001, but it was still Mariucci’s offense (which he learned from Mike Holmgren, who learned it from Bill Walsh).
Knapp remained as offensive coordinator in 2003, when Dennis Erickson replaced Mariucci and married his own scheme to the West Coast offense in which quarterback Jeff Garcia had played four years. That unit was still a top-10 offense, but it wasn’t Knapp’s.
In 2004, Mora, then the 49ers’ defensive coordinator, was hired to coach the Falcons and brought Knapp with him. That’s when Knapp had his chance to finally define himself as a coordinator.
Knapp’s biggest failure in Atlanta was not channeling the immense talent of Michael Vick, who preferred to run because he couldn’t figure out where to throw the ball.
The Falcons led the league in rushing in each of Mora and Knapp’s three seasons, but they were so bad throwing the ball that they ranked 16th, 14th, and 25th in total offense.
While Vick obviously is not that bright, a good coach could have turned him into a passable quarterback. Knapp couldn’t, so he just let Vick do whatever he wanted.
Even though he trained under West Coast offense experts, Knapp obviously doesn’t know how to run a passing offense. And his zone-blocking scheme has been a bust in Seattle, netting the two worst rushing performances in franchise history. That must be scrapped.
With one game left, the Hawks rank 28th in rushing offense and 22nd overall. They have scored just 267 points this season. It’s not the impotent 1992 Seattle offense that scored the fewest points (140) in NFL history. But it’s a far cry from where the Hawks were just two years ago, when they averaged a full touchdown more per game.
The Seahawks have been shellacked by scores of 27-3 (vs. Arizona), 34-17 (at Indianapolis), 38-17 (at Dallas), 35-9 (at Minnesota), 34-7 (at Houston), 24-7 (vs. Tampa Bay), and 48-10 (at Green Bay). They would need to score 27 in the finale against Tennessee this weekend even to match the point total from last season’s 4-12 team.
Matt Hasselbeck is taking heat because he has turned the ball over nine times in the last two games. As pointed out earlier this week, Hasselbeck is trying to carry the entire offense on his shoulders and fix a broken system.
After the loss in Green Bay, Hasselbeck said he was “looking for answers,” which—even if the quarterback didn’t mean it as such—is an indictment of Knapp’s offense.
It has become pretty obvious that the Seahawks’ offensive players do not believe in Knapp’s schemes. Receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh all but admitted it on the radio Tuesday.
“You have to trust the people that are making decisions,” Houshmandzadeh said on KJR. “You’ve got to trust the people that are calling plays. You’ve got to trust everything that is going on in order for things to work. If that trust is not there, you’re always going to second-guess things.”
Obviously deluding himself, Knapp told reporters Wednesday that his players still believe in him and his system.
“Most definitely,” he said. “A lot of it, too, is just growth with each other. What do certain guys do well? A lot of times that doesn’t occur until games when you find out which plays are good for which individuals…with me getting to know what routes are best for certain receivers and tight ends and the more reps we get of that, the closer we’ll get to being more consistent.”
OK, but Knapp has had a full season to figure out what everyone does well, and the offense has only gotten worse. There has been zero growth. None. Nada. Zip. Diddly squat.
In the first half of the season, Knapp had the built-in excuse of injuries to his offensive line, which at one point was down to its fifth left tackle and third left guard. But the Hawks have been pretty healthy in the second half, and they have been blown out in almost every game.
If Knapp hasn’t figured out his personnel by now, he never will.
Max Unger should have replaced Chris Spencer at center weeks ago, not last week. Sean Locklear should be back at right tackle, where he actually is quite serviceable.
Knapp should have done everything he could to make sure John Carlson was thrown the ball eight to 10 times per game.
Justin Forsett, one of the team’s few positives, should be starting over the injury-prone Julius Jones.
Rookie Deon Butler should have replaced Deion Branch as the third receiver long before Nate Burleson’s injury gave Butler more playing time.
Seneca Wallace should have been used more frequently as a multi-purpose back and return man.
And Knapp deserves all of the blame for the inexcusable home losses to Chicago and Tampa Bay and the 17-point deficit to Detroit.
As a condition of retaining his job, Mora should be told to fire Knapp and replace him with someone who knows the West Coast scheme Hasselbeck learned from Mike Holmgren.
They could look at bringing back Gil Haskell, who was Holmgren’s OC in Seattle, or Jim Zorn, who was Hasselbeck’s position coach before making the ill-fated move to Washington, D.C.
Or perhaps the Hawks could hire Gary Kubiak, if he’s fired by Houston and doesn’t join Mike Shanahan in Washington. Mora also could look at someone like Philadelphia QB coach Pat Shurmur, who has learned from West Coast master Andy Reid, a Holmgren protégé. Or maybe Green Bay QB coach Tom Clements, who has picked up the offense from Mike McCarthy.
Whatever they do, the Seahawks have to get rid of Knapp. If he comes back in 2010, it will be more of the same offensive dysfunction. And Mora will have sealed his fate through his allegiance to a failed offensive coach.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Uggggg, those two 8-8 teams hit their peaks on the bell curve. They were what they were no better and lucky to be that good. I’ve said it before. Get over it.
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The “Bell Curve” really. Why don’t you explain to the blog what the Bell Curve is.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
It sucks to be red and gold. Sad. Just so sad. (Smile)
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Thec Says:
I do not advocate violence however, I am suprised I have not read where a member of the NATION has went after DA.
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I must admit, I am surprised at this as well. Oakland is a thug trash town, basically the Cleveland of the west coast. I can see some idiot from there doing something that idiotic.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:22 pm
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm
@ James Trapp
No, what he did with Fox was shameful. Dis graceful. But he showed emotion today. He was fired up when our defense made plays. He got on refs for bad calls, he was visibly upset when the offense went 3 and out. So he showed emotion. And watch ur mouth F@g, before you get blood in it.
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LMAO! oooooooooooooooohh…Week 16 & he shows emotion. If he had testicles he would have NEVER hired Knapp & should have canned him by now. I wouldn’t be calling me f@g DA lover. Wanna blow him, get behind Cork & McDonald in line.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:22 pm
John
See my post on 161 about last years 8-8.
My point is and continues to be talent is 80% of the determinant in winning football games. Coaching is about 20%.
When coaches get talent around them especially in the box, they look smart.
Too many on this blog seem to think this is a one dimensional problem and that we have great talent and all we need is a decent coach. How many coaching changes do you want to try while getting the same basic results-NO PLAYOFFS?
The coaches below never would have made it out of their first seasons if many on this blog were the owners. By the way, The Giants were 13-12 in the two reasons prior to Parcells.
Tom Landry First season 0-11 first SIX seasons 16-53-3
Chuck Noll First season 1-13 first THREE seasons 12-30
Bill Walsh First season 2-14 first TWO seasons 8-24
Jimmy Johnson First season 1-15 first TWO seasons 8-24
Bill Parcells First season 3-12-1 first two seasons 12-19-1 with the Giants
Bill Parcells First season 5-11 first three seasons 21-27 with the Patriots
In an interesting comparison I offer the following:
George Seifert 98-30 with the Niners 16-32 with the Panthers
Tom Flores 83-53 with the Raiders 14-34 with the Seahawks
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Knapp is, of course, gone.
You know it. I know it. he knows it. My dog knows it.
Someone has to be the sacrificial lamb.
The scapegoat. Appeases the masses who wanta head to roll.
Of course he deserves it. But he is gone.
So please. Don’t mention his name again.
thank you
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
RaidO Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:10 pm
After taking a helmet to the back by defensive end Greg Hardy in the first quarter, Palmer’s status is unclear for the season finale against the San Diego Chargers. X-rays on his ribs were negative.
If Palmer can’t play, coach Dennis Allen made it clear the quarterback will be Matt Leinart, who struggled against the Panthers, and not Terrelle Pryor, who took three snaps in a specialty role.
“Matt’s our backup quarterback,” Allen said. “Terrelle’s done a nice job. He’s working extremely hard. We don’t feel like he’s ready to be the backup quarterback yet.”
http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_22251464/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-says-terrelle-pryor
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wow!!
TP has been with the Raiders for 16 months and 31 games. Everybody says he’s a hard worker with a positive attitude that is improving every day.
Was he a 5-year project when Al Davis drafted him??
How can you not be ready for a #2 job after all this time? coaching staff is ignorant or it’s time to move on from Pryor so that somebody else can give him an opportunity
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Something strange going on with the TP situation. Not sure what is going on but something is not right.
TP looked and sounded pissed when he was interviewed after the game.
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Because he’s gone after this year. Not hard to see.
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That’s nonsense because Leinart will be gone next year.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:24 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
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That article is crazy. And they still brough this guy here.
We do need a Pete to come in and save things from this mess. Dont know if theres one available though.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Uggggg, those two 8-8 teams hit their peaks on the bell curve. They were what they were no better and lucky to be that good. I’ve said it before. Get over it.
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The “Bell Curve” really. Why don’t you explain to the blog what the Bell Curve is.
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Google is your friend Kell.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:25 pm
This is depressing.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/jason-la-canfora/21445566/the-nfl-today-eagles-eyeing-oregons-chip-kelly
Raiders intend to make no coaching/GM change but could bolster front office
After much deliberation, Raiders owner Mark Davis does not intend to part with first-year head coach Dennis Allen and first-year GM Reggie McKenzie despite a poor season, league sources said, though Davis could alter the team’s front-office structure.
Sources said Davis thinks highly of Ray Anderson, the NFL’s vice president of football operations, and some believe he could join that organization if the right opportunity arose. Anderson has spent the past seven years in the league office, but the Stanford alumnus has Bay Area ties and also has vast experience as an agent and working for NFL clubs. Davis is still relatively new at running the day-to-day operations of his team, and Amy Trask, the Raiders’ CEO, is working primarily on the team’s desperate search for a new stadium. Having another experienced set of eyes to make evaluations of the coaching staff and front office could be beneficial. Anderson’s experience in the NFL office could be an additional benefit as Oakland participates in discussions about stadium financing.
There has never been an African-American team president in league history, and such a move would be fitting for an organization that was always at the vanguard of diversity in the coaching and front office ranks under Davis’ father, Al. Some who know Anderson believe this type of opportunity would intrigue him, while the Raiders continue to seek ways to improve their situation from both a football and business perspective and with their future in Oakland at least somewhat in question.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Actually, Raiders could have 3 new QB’s next season..
depends on the system/scheme, cap situation and the draft
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
hire Ray Anderson!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RaidO Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
RaidO Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:10 pm
After taking a helmet to the back by defensive end Greg Hardy in the first quarter, Palmer’s status is unclear for the season finale against the San Diego Chargers. X-rays on his ribs were negative.
If Palmer can’t play, coach Dennis Allen made it clear the quarterback will be Matt Leinart, who struggled against the Panthers, and not Terrelle Pryor, who took three snaps in a specialty role.
“Matt’s our backup quarterback,” Allen said. “Terrelle’s done a nice job. He’s working extremely hard. We don’t feel like he’s ready to be the backup quarterback yet.”
http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_22251464/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-says-terrelle-pryor
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wow!!
TP has been with the Raiders for 16 months and 31 games. Everybody says he’s a hard worker with a positive attitude that is improving every day.
Was he a 5-year project when Al Davis drafted him??
How can you not be ready for a #2 job after all this time? coaching staff is ignorant or it’s time to move on from Pryor so that somebody else can give him an opportunity
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Something strange going on with the TP situation. Not sure what is going on but something is not right.
TP looked and sounded pissed when he was interviewed after the game.
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Because he’s gone after this year. Not hard to see.
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That’s nonsense because Leinart will be gone next year.
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Yup, and look for Reggie to bring in a new #2 ( I mentioned Flynn earlier) and will probably be drafting a QB in the mid to late rounds for the #3 spot.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Uggggg, those two 8-8 teams hit their peaks on the bell curve. They were what they were no better and lucky to be that good. I’ve said it before. Get over it.
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The “Bell Curve” really. Why don’t you explain to the blog what the Bell Curve is.
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Google is your friend Kell.
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Is that because associating Hue Jackson with the Bell Curve might be embarrassing to you?
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
The stats don’t tell the story. You look at this teams offensive stats you think the O is doing a good job… People who watch the games know we are very far from being a competitive team. Most games are over by halftime, today was no different.
What bugs me is that there is no improvement. I really think we have the worst roster in the league, most people blame Al 100% for the roster, I am not so sure… There is no way to make excuses for the coaching staff, the only excuses In hear comes from them… This is truly a heartless coaching staff, no heart, no pride, no fire, just excuses…
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:29 pm
This is awesome Sunday night action! I could not have directed a better film than this! SEAHAWKS!
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:29 pm
look for Reggie to bring in a new #2 ( I mentioned Flynn earlier) and will probably be drafting a QB in the mid to late rounds for the #3 spot.
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is Palmer a lock to return next season?
regardless of the salary he’s scheduled to make and the whole “lack of wins. way too many turnovers” thing
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:30 pm
@182
We need to some how get Mark, Reggie, and DA to read that article.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:30 pm
“At midseason, most fans were blaming Tim Ruskell for this lost Seahawks season. Well, he’s gone now and the Hawks have only gotten worse, so now those No. 1 fan fingers are pointing directly at coach Jim Mora.
And Mora’s foam finger should be pointing at his offensive coordinator.
There’s a good reason most of us greeted Greg Knapp with a yawn and dismissive wave of the hand (with fingers crossed in hope) when Mora brought his old 49er and Falcon buddy to Seattle. Knapp’s offenses have been like Geo Metros: They run fine, but they can’t pass.
Whatever they do, the Seahawks have to get rid of Knapp. If he comes back in 2010, it will be more of the same offensive dysfunction. And Mora will have sealed his fate through his allegiance to a failed offensive coach .”
RE Greg Knapp with seattle
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Obviously deluding himself, Knapp told reporters Wednesday that his players still believe in him and his system.
“Most definitely,” he said. “A lot of it, too, is just growth with each other. What do certain guys do well? A lot of times that doesn’t occur until games when you find out which plays are good for which individuals…with me getting to know what routes are best for certain receivers and tight ends and the more reps we get of that, the closer we’ll get to being more consistent.”
OK, but Knapp has had a full season to figure out what everyone does well, and the offense has only gotten worse. There has been zero growth. None. Nada. Zip. Diddly squat.
In the first half of the season, Knapp had the built-in excuse of injuries to his offensive line, which at one point was down to its fifth left tackle and third left guard. But the Hawks have been pretty healthy in the second half, and they have been blown out in almost every game.”
RE: GREG KNAPP in his 2nd season with seattle. Article on him right before JIM MORA/ KNAPP were canned for PETE CARROLL
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Uggggg, those two 8-8 teams hit their peaks on the bell curve. They were what they were no better and lucky to be that good. I’ve said it before. Get over it.
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The “Bell Curve” really. Why don’t you explain to the blog what the Bell Curve is.
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Google is your friend Kell.
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Is that because associating Hue Jackson with the Bell Curve might be embarrassing to you?
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Cable is more bell curve shaped.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm
John
I bring up the contracts because they impact our ability to attract and retain good talent.
Kelly is a back up paid like an All Pro.
Seymour was restructured a bit to minimize our cap hit and he will be gone after this year. The guy can not even practice and he was guaranteed $11.5 million.
You can not possibly think those are good situations?
We had to go out and get bargain basement FA because we had no cap room.
We also were missing our top two picks in this year’s draft.
A qoute from Reggie and how the rest of the NFL viewed the job:
“We should be in good enough situation to do some things. To do a lot of great things? We don’t have great room, but we’ve got … Guys, I mean what happened this offseason, I don’t wish that on anybody, maybe the other teams in our division. That was a struggle, especially coming in here as a rookie GM. I remember talking to Ted Thompson. His rookie year he was able to get Charles Woodson. I would have liked to have done that. I talked to guys all around the league. I didn’t realize what the situation, how difficult and what other people thought about it. When you get the job people call and say, ‘What are you going to do with that cap? You’re all what over the cap. How are you going to do that?’ We can get it done because you got to.
You want the players to doggone take it upon themselves and run it. We’re not at that level.”
I guess you might feel that is self serving rhetoric on Reggie’s part.
Taking a different tack. What is your vision? Fire the coaches?
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:29 pm
look for Reggie to bring in a new #2 ( I mentioned Flynn earlier) and will probably be drafting a QB in the mid to late rounds for the #3 spot.
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is Palmer a lock to return next season?
regardless of the salary he’s scheduled to make and the whole “lack of wins. way too many turnovers” thing
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I would say at least one more year. They seem pretty high on him.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:34 pm
JUST MY OPINION HERE BUT,I THINK THERE R 53 PLAYERS HERE,NOT ONE TEAM..ANOTHER THING I HOPE MGMT AND STAFF R WORKING ON.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:22 pm
John
See my post on 161 about last years 8-8.
My point is and continues to be talent is 80% of the determinant in winning football games. Coaching is about 20%.
When coaches get talent around them especially in the box, they look smart.
Too many on this blog seem to think this is a one dimensional problem and that we have great talent and all we need is a decent coach. How many coaching changes do you want to try while getting the same basic results-NO PLAYOFFS?
The coaches below never would have made it out of their first seasons if many on this blog were the owners. By the way, The Giants were 13-12 in the two reasons prior to Parcells.
Tom Landry First season 0-11 first SIX seasons 16-53-3
Chuck Noll First season 1-13 first THREE seasons 12-30
Bill Walsh First season 2-14 first TWO seasons 8-24
Jimmy Johnson First season 1-15 first TWO seasons 8-24
Bill Parcells First season 3-12-1 first two seasons 12-19-1 with the Giants
Bill Parcells First season 5-11 first three seasons 21-27 with the Patriots
In an interesting comparison I offer the following:
George Seifert 98-30 with the Niners 16-32 with the Panthers
Tom Flores 83-53 with the Raiders 14-34 with the Seahawks
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Q: Did Any of those coaches have a resume as paper-thin as Dennis Allen’s which would mean less credibility and a shorter leash?
A: Absolutely not. Not even close.
Q: What was the Raiders’ record the year before DA took over?
A: 8-8 and 8-8 the year before that.
Q: What was the Cowboys’ record the year prior to Landry taking over?
A: They didn’t have one. They were an expansion team.
Q: Whas was the Steelers record the year before Knoll took over?
A: 2-11-1
Q: What was the 49ers record the year before Walsh took over?
A: 2-14
Q: What was the Cowboys’ record the year before Jimmy Johnson took over?
A: 3-13
Q: What was the New York Giants’ record the year before Bill Parcells took over?
A: 4-5 (strike-shortened year)
Q: What was the New England Patriots’ record the year before Bill Parcells took over?
A: 2-14
Q: What else do all these examples have in common?
A: They’re all at least 20 and as much as 52 years old. And they all pre-date the NFL salary cap, which was instituted in 1994.
Thanks for playing though.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Raiders intend to make no coaching/GM change but could bolster front office
After much deliberation, Raiders owner Mark Davis does not intend to part with first-year head coach Dennis Allen and first-year GM Reggie McKenzie despite a poor season, league sources said, though Davis could alter the team’s front-office structure.
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Kind of depressing knowing that we are in for the same bad product 9 months from now…
Knapp and Tarver better go, or there will be no hope for 2013.
Yes Tarver too…..are you people really fooled by a couple of games against bad teams? You really think this D is fixed? LMAO you are so gullible.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
#201: Knapp the Coach Killer.
Amazing that he keeps getting jobs.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
LMAO @ 207….Talk about being owned!…Those knee pads Charlie has for DA must be getting worn out
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
DaTruth91 Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
I saw on NFLN that CBSSPORTS is reporting Raiders plan on retaining Dennis Allen and Reggie McKenzie.
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theres nothing wrong with keeping both of them.
they need a OC and a draft to see what they can do offensively.
Defensively, you cant blame Tarver for everything
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Tarver is actually the one guy on this coaching staff that I can’t call out at this point. The defense has played very well the last few games given the quality of players. I can’t remember a Raiders team that was in the opponent’s backfield as much as the Raiders have been the last few games, even against Denver.
The inept offense keeps the defense on the field too much, though. That’s why the stats (yards allowed) show a different story.
I’m becoming a Tarver believer.
The offense, however …
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Raiders intend to make no coaching/GM change but could bolster front office
After much deliberation, Raiders owner Mark Davis does not intend to part with first-year head coach Dennis Allen and first-year GM Reggie McKenzie despite a poor season, league sources said, though Davis could alter the team’s front-office structure.
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Kind of depressing knowing that we are in for the same bad product 9 months from now…
Knapp and Tarver better go, or there will be no hope for 2013.
Yes Tarver too…..are you people really fooled by a couple of games against bad teams? You really think this D is fixed? LMAO you are so gullible.
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Decent corners, safety, a MLB and a speed rusher and we might be alright.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:45 pm
#208..I think Tarver is salvageable. We are lacking talent on the D. That has been obvious, and I agree the last 2 opponents have been bad but I think they have shown something.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
#201: Knapp the Coach Killer.
Amazing that he keeps getting jobs.
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True, and how did Dennis Allen get a HC job?
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
My take on the “build through the draft philosophy”… It works great when you have great coaches. When you have scrap heap coaches they will just ruin one draft class after another, no matter how awesome your scouting department… Our coaching staff stinks.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Uggggg, those two 8-8 teams hit their peaks on the bell curve. They were what they were no better and lucky to be that good. I’ve said it before. Get over it.
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The “Bell Curve” really. Why don’t you explain to the blog what the Bell Curve is.
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Google is your friend Kell.
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Better one than none.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm
I would never want Cam as ly QB, dude is a straight chump.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm
morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Decent corners, safety, a MLB and a speed rusher and we might be alright.
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Is that all? Just remember, I know we do not have a lot of talent on the defensive side of the ball….but this defense lines up and is static for 10 seconds before the snap. They literally don’t move. QBs get the read and then tear them apart….well, good QBs anyhow.
Maybe Tarver would be more creative with better players? I don’t know, but I am not willing to risk it. This defense gave up record amounts of points very recently.
SMH Wake up people.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm
I don’t think a NFL Head Coaching job is for green kids.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
We were one of the “leading teams in 3rd and 1’s” this season?
KoolKell, thoughts?
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
My take on the “build through the draft philosophy”… It works great when you have great coaches. When you have scrap heap coaches they will just ruin one draft class after another, no matter how awesome your scouting department… Our coaching staff stinks.
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This is a very good, very underrated point. Not to mention coaches who know what players do well and put them in position to succeed. This concept, I believe, is foreign to the current staff.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
My take on the “build through the draft philosophy”… It works great when you have great coaches. When you have scrap heap coaches they will just ruin one draft class after another, no matter how awesome your scouting department… Our coaching staff stinks.
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DING DING DING
We have a winner!
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Gotta love the “leading teams on 3rd & 1″ quote…. That sums up our coaching staff.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
We were one of the “leading teams in 3rd and 1’s” this season?
KoolKell, thoughts?
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Who said that? What are you asking me a silly question like that?
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
I almost want to give Tarver a pass being that he’s a rookie and we’ve played much better since they FINALLY jettisoned McJogger.
But we have had a TON of games where we gave up 30+ points this year. And there’s no justifying the fact that we continuously keep blitzing safeties from 10+ yards deep who never remotely come close to applying pressure to opposing QBs. Today I saw a play where we sent a safety from deep and far outside. He must’ve had to run close to 30 yards to sniff the QB. I don’t think he got within 15 before the ball was out.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:53 pm
ZBS teams in the playoffs, Houston, Green Bay, Baltimore, Seattle, Indy, maybe Washington.
About half the teams in the leauge use it, and half the teams in the playoffs will use it.
We just need to be better at it.
I bet Cable is loving Russell Okung these days, that was the “Cadillac” that Cable raved about prior to that draft.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Who said that? What are you asking me a silly question like that?
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The coach in the thread, or did you not read it?
Why would ask you? You were raving on and on about has “anyone ever seen the 3rd and 1 stretch play work” about 4 hours ago.
How shallow are you?
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Oh yeah, sorry JFB.
Just shows you how out of touch he is. I don t know who the hell DA is. 15 games into the season, I have no clue to his identity.
The offense belongs to Knapp, the Defense belongs to Tarver…………..
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm
I wanted nothing more than DA to succeed. At first I blamed Knapp for our troubles, and yes he played a very large part in it. He took apart the only parts of our team that were near decent, and made them pathetic.
But just looking at how motivated and prepared the team appears to be on a weekly basis, well that is on the head coach, and this is one of the worst Raider teams I have ever seen when it comes to that. I thought Cable’s era of blowouts was bad, and the Art Shell II era, but this has been just as bad if not worse.
There has been ZERO progress in any respect this season. The team is not getting better as the year goes along. Just schyt game after schyt game.
That is on the head coach. Dennis Allen DOES NOT HAVE “IT”.
Sorry. Reggie can either waste another year or two of everyone’s time on DA, or he can admit his mistake and move on to his next “guy”.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:48 pm
morilla Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Decent corners, safety, a MLB and a speed rusher and we might be alright.
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Is that all? Just remember, I know we do not have a lot of talent on the defensive side of the ball….but this defense lines up and is static for 10 seconds before the snap. They literally don’t move. QBs get the read and then tear them apart….well, good QBs anyhow.
Maybe Tarver would be more creative with better players? I don’t know, but I am not willing to risk it. This defense gave up record amounts of points very recently.
SMH Wake up people.
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Oh, I’m not saying any coordinators job is safe. There are arguments for axing Tarver as well.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Poole gets it, dumbest coaches in the Whole Universe EVER
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22251993/poole-hard-figure-thinking-oakland-raiders-coaches
Fkin idiots all of them and whoever thinks they should stay, fkin BOOTLICKERS!
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
I almost want to give Tarver a pass being that he’s a rookie and we’ve played much better since they FINALLY jettisoned McJogger.
But we have had a TON of games where we gave up 30+ points this year. And there’s no justifying the fact that we continuously keep blitzing safeties from 10+ yards deep who never remotely come close to applying pressure to opposing QBs. Today I saw a play where we sent a safety from deep and far outside. He must’ve had to run close to 30 yards to sniff the QB. I don’t think he got within 15 before the ball was out.
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DING DING DING
WINNER #2!
At least some of you get it.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:59 pm
The Kaepernick party is over just like I said it would be. Took about 2 weeks longer than I thought. Good luck in the playoffs Harbough, lol
KK, how does a alleged “married man” and “real estate tycoon” find the time to blog for 18hrs a day ?
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Slayer & Beech Dawg have been banned.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Gotta love the “leading teams on 3rd & 1″ quote…. That sums up our coaching staff.
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They like to pick corn out of their turds and call it a picnic.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Chris
You were clamoring for the retention of Hue or Cable?
Or did you want another coaching change when fact upon fact continue to point out that no coach can win without talent. Some fresh ideas. More up to date schemes. Guys that had success elsewhere.
See the above list-again. (You conveniently failed any mention of Seifert/Flores since that further proves the impact talent has on a “proven winner”.)
Knapp was on a playoff team last year.
So was Allen and he showed defensive improvement with the Broncos as a DC. Allen also was on a Super Bowl winner with the Saints.
Tarver had good success with Stanford after experience with the Niners.
I know they were in different capacities but they saw how it was done.
What these coaches do not have is the same level of talent as they had with their previous teams.
I believe the saying goes something like; insanity is defined as continuing to do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
Have you been paying attention the last ten years?
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Even Monty Poole has trouble believing that the Raiders coaches are rocket scientists. Their schemes are so difficult to learn up to the 16th week and beyond.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Harbaugh can’t go back to Alex Smith either, will lose the locker room possibly.
Dude went all-in on the wrong hand.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Turbin has some guns on him.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Question, do you think NFL Coaching jobs are for green kids?
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
How are you still here after all the despicable racial slurs you have hurled ?
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KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Slayer & Beech Dawg have been banned.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
We were one of the “leading teams in 3rd and 1’s” this season?
KoolKell, thoughts?
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Who said that? What are you asking me a silly question like that?
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They don’t get it, Kell. They never do.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:05 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
How are you still here after all the despicable racial slurs you have hurled ?
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I guess you’re wrong, BrownStains, as usual. Have you been tweeting Mitt Romney?
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:06 pm
That’s not me. Don’t know how that got up there. Biches
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Tommy Kelly is dumb as a box of rocks.
When a guy kicks you after the play, you throw your hands in the air and fall back as if you were shot to draw the penalty on him.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
thank you monte…ratchet up the pressure!
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Brandon Jacobs should be signed immediately following the end of the 49er’s playoff defeat. Reece should be moved to TE. Cut Seymour (2 years too late). G Knapp and DA should be fired immediately after SD game.
Some chump will ride my B Jacob coat tails so I will bookmark this page.
The end
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Where are all the 49er fans? Now they now how we feel at least every other week. Is Seattle great, or what?
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:06 pm
That’s not me. Don’t know how that got up there. Biches
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You cowards don’t want to take me on so you cross post.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:08 pm
245…dont worry we will soon have a full team of sissies to do that…
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:09 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
We were one of the “leading teams in 3rd and 1’s” this season?
KoolKell, thoughts?
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Who said that? What are you asking me a silly question like that?
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They don’t get it, Kell. They never do.
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Or did you just get caught crossposting? getting confused on which name you were on? Hmmmmm…
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Carroll is taking Harbaugh’s manhood away from him! I LOVE IT!
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:09 pm
I’m out anyways. Movie time. Damnit Gents.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Kaepernick is a poor man’s Russell Wilson!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:11 pm
KK, after being called out for blogging 18 hrs straight suddenly it’s “movie time” huh?
lol
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Tommy Kelly is dumb as a box of rocks.
When a guy kicks you after the play, you throw your hands in the air and fall back as if you were shot to draw the penalty on him.
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WTF, this ain’t fkin Basketball or soccer man, this is American Football, you don’t let some mutha fkin diva @ss QB kick you, Kell did the right thing, the refs did the wrong thing.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Hey, next season when all the koolaid drinkers start claiming that the preseason doesn’t matter….that looking completely lost and unprepared in exhibition games is just some fancy way of hiding all our secret plays…..go frak yourselves.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:36 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Calling out Knapp is as easy as walking over to him and asking why he keeps running that freakin stretch play on 3rd and short…week after week.
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ZBS has been figured out, and Knapp cannot counter punch. Raiders would be awful in the 3rd quarter…
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Seems to be doing just fine against a supposedly best in the league whiner defense tonight.
Knapp’s vanilla play calling does not condone a system.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:59 pm
The Kaepernick party is over just like I said it would be. Took about 2 weeks longer than I thought. Good luck in the playoffs Harbough, lol
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Only you Cleveoakland phags care what is going on with the niners. Bay envy for you phaggots.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:09 pm
I’m out anyways. Movie time. Damnit Gents.
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You just got caught crossposting? And you quickly bow out, saying it’s sunday night movie time?
Ok, but you added damnit? What the hell? The little time you spend with the Mrs, instead of being here, and you say damnit?
Red flags, man, red flags.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Chris
You were clamoring for the retention of Hue or Cable?
Or did you want another coaching change when fact upon fact continue to point out that no coach can win without talent. Some fresh ideas. More up to date schemes. Guys that had success elsewhere.
See the above list-again. (You conveniently failed any mention of Seifert/Flores since that further proves the impact talent has on a “proven winner”.)
Knapp was on a playoff team last year.
So was Allen and he showed defensive improvement with the Broncos as a DC. Allen also was on a Super Bowl winner with the Saints.
Tarver had good success with Stanford after experience with the Niners.
I know they were in different capacities but they saw how it was done.
What these coaches do not have is the same level of talent as they had with their previous teams.
I believe the saying goes something like; insanity is defined as continuing to do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
Have you been paying attention the last ten years?
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Yes. I was absolutely clamoring for the retention of Hue between the last day of last season to an through the Reggie/Mark Davis press conference.
I think most people in here were extremely annoyed by my not shutting up about it before he was even fired. Cable I thought was fine to let walk because I ascribed the success in 2010 to Hue more than Cable. Having said that I’d obviously take Cable over DA.
Knapp was a position coach last year. DA was a position coach with the Saints. Let’s be serious. There’s a major, major difference between being a position coach and even an offensive or defensive coordinator and a position coach. The latter rarely has an appreciable impact on a team’s record.
DA was the coordinator for the 20th-rated defense last year. That unit is MUCH better this year under Jack Del Rio.
Donks are 5th in PPG and 4th in YPG defensively right now. Chew on that for a second.
Rod Woodson also said last week that in watching Denver this year their defense is much improved over last season and is a major reason they’re a strong Super Bowl contender.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Monte Poole is spot on with that article. Anyone defending DA and this staff any further, Im just gonna refer to that article. These guys dont know what theyre doing. Period. Good luck producing a winning season with these guys, Mark.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Hey, next season when all the koolaid drinkers start claiming that the preseason doesn’t matter….that looking completely lost and unprepared in exhibition games is just some fancy way of hiding all our secret plays…..go frak yourselves.
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BSG, nice.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
I can’t wait until April….actually I can’t wait until a couple days after the last game, no more Knapp time
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
We were one of the “leading teams in 3rd and 1’s” this season?
KoolKell, thoughts?
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Who said that? What are you asking me a silly question like that?
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They don’t get it, Kell. They never do.
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lol. i love how the guys who always accuse others of crossposting end up getting caught doing it.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
I’m enjoying watching the 9ers get a whoopin so whats your problem you d-bag little kunt bag?
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RaidingTexas Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Only you Cleveoakland phags care what is going on with the niners. Bay envy for you phaggots
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Dakota Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Hey, next season when all the koolaid drinkers start claiming that the preseason doesn’t matter….that looking completely lost and unprepared in exhibition games is just some fancy way of hiding all our secret plays…..go frak yourselves.
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This staff is still in pre-season.
Longest pre-season ever.
Word is, it might last another year too.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
realtruraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Tommy Kelly is dumb as a box of rocks.
When a guy kicks you after the play, you throw your hands in the air and fall back as if you were shot to draw the penalty on him.
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WTF, this ain’t fkin Basketball or soccer man, this is American Football, you don’t let some mutha fkin diva @ss QB kick you, Kell did the right thing, the refs did the wrong thing.
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True.
Maybe in the Super Bowl or something. When you’re 4-10 you don’t take that bullshlt from some punk-azz like Cam Newton.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:22 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:11 pm
KK, after being called out for blogging 18 hrs straight suddenly it’s “movie time” huh?
lol
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Is it true koolkell is one of the bigger crossposters here?
Creates a name.
Makes a post under that new name.
Switches to koolkell, and insults his other handle.
Switches back, and meekly retreats.
Switches to koolkell, and claims victory.
interesting game.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm
How do you evaluate a scouting department that has not had a draft with the Raiders?
Do you remember that Reggie has not been in the job a full year? That he had to blow up the entire scouting department and install computers?
No quick fixes. Just hard work.See you in 2014.
Next year will be tough as well.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm
“Never mind that his kicker is considerably more reliable than his O.C. and backup QB.”
monte…i finally agree with you.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm
I think they refer to it as “mental illness”.
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RaiderIsland Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Is it true koolkell is one of the bigger crossposters here?
Creates a name.
Makes a post under that new name.
Switches to koolkell, and insults his other handle.
Switches back, and meekly retreats.
Switches to koolkell, and claims victory.
interesting game.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
I’m enjoying watching the 9ers get a whoopin so whats your problem you d-bag little kunt bag?
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My problem is your sorry azz bringing them up. Who gives a fk about the niners? Only a bridge envy phaggot like you.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
How many of you dorks will be here jerking each other off all day on Christmas? LMAO, get a life.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
umm, when you get kicked, you go sack the QB the next play. You don’t take matters into your own hands.
Isn’t this the lack of discipline you same fans wanted fixed?
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
4-12 caharlie thats how…27 new players thats how.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:26 pm
yeah just lie there and get kicked like a sissy…
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:26 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
DaTruth91 Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
I saw on NFLN that CBSSPORTS is reporting Raiders plan on retaining Dennis Allen and Reggie McKenzie.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
theres nothing wrong with keeping both of them.
they need a OC and a draft to see what they can do offensively.
Defensively, you cant blame Tarver for everything
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Tarver is actually the one guy on this coaching staff that I can’t call out at this point. The defense has played very well the last few games given the quality of players. I can’t remember a Raiders team that was in the opponent’s backfield as much as the Raiders have been the last few games, even against Denver.
The inept offense keeps the defense on the field too much, though. That’s why the stats (yards allowed) show a different story.
I’m becoming a Tarver believer.
The offense, however …
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Let me take you all back on a little ride through history. All the way back to say, week 7. The Raiders were just coming off a tough loss to the Falcons where they lost 20-23. They went on to put up 26 as the squeeked by the Jags 23 points despite a beat up offensive unit. Then they got beat by the Bucs despite putting 32 points up.
What was all the talk on the blog then? Basically there were the few idiots that thought it was all somehow #PalmersFault. But the rational were all talking about how the offense was trucking along, despite a broken running game, while the defense was an absolute sieve. Tarver’s name at that time was typed with all the venom of Knapp’s here in the end of season time frame.
The rational then said, give it time. It’s a new season. They are down to their 4th and 5th best corners. It’s a low talent unit to begin with …
Funny when you look back now and suddenly it’s the offense that sucks and the defense is actually coming along just fine.
From my point of view, it’s all just learning curve for the coaches. There’s a lot of rookie going on in there. We can all agree that the talent level lacks on both sides of the ball and they aren’t being helped by coaching mistakes.
But as I had hoped, we are seeing some growth out of Tarver and DA and it’s starting to show on the defensive side. Be happy with that, especially when oyu go back and look at how things were shaping up mid season!
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
You guys can stop waisting your time criticising Knapp. If you saw DA’s interview after the game he gave props to Tarver (by name) and props to the kicking game. DA did not have one good thing to say about the offense.
When people praise others they call them out by name. When they criticise they try not to throw said person under the bus so they say (we) but everyone with a brain knows who the subject of criticism is.
Knapp has 7 days remaining as a Raider. Book it.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Charlie,
keep posting here. Your unemotional intelligence is needed for balance.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:28 pm
its so simple its stupid…tarver started playing man defense no zone fifteen yards off the reciever!
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Well maybe you should log off and go Fk your sister or a farm animal, whatever goons from Texas do.Because the day I care about what you want to read will never come to light.
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RaidingTexas Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm
My problem is your sorry azz bringing them up
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:30 pm
i’ve been holding out, but i have to say kanpp sucks. and even though the defense has made strides, and DA and tarver deserve credit for that, i’m not sure DA brings much to the table in terms of decision making. i think i’m now in favor of dumping him. he just isn’t ready to be a head coach.
leinart really does suck. weak arm, and poor decision-making.
but pryor’s “passes” looked pretty bad. i’m pretty sure the offense would look bad with him trying to run it.
dmc sucks. the o-line is still sub-par at this point.
reece has been the best rb this year and he gets no carries.
carter has been making a huge difference the last few weeks. just like i said he would. he might be back, and he would make it that we only need one more pass rusher.
houston, bryant, and even kelly were playing very hard.
mcclain’s absence has been a huge breathe of fresh air.
adams and ross can play.
mitchell is playing pretty well.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm
How do you evaluate a scouting department that has not had a draft with the Raiders?
Do you remember that Reggie has not been in the job a full year? That he had to blow up the entire scouting department and install computers?
No quick fixes. Just hard work.See you in 2014.
Next year will be tough as well.
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Yup.
Reggie and DA supporters already making excuses for 2013. How many years before we can expect them to get us back to 8-8 and play meaningful football through Week 17?
In other words, how many years do they get to get us back to where we were before they came aboard?
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Chris
Well we agree on Cable and Hue.
I liked them both.
I have been saying that if we build our in the box talent we could have gone to the playoffs with either of them.
Our biggest problem has been horrible drafts for the last decade resulting in a massive talent gap with upper echelon NFL teams. I do not feel another coaching change is going to help more than it hurts.
Not soemthing that will be fixed in 2013.
Have a nice Holiday!
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
its their ten and then philosophy…
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
You guys should stop calling Cam a punk just for the simple fact you wouldnt say it to his face if you were alone with him cause he would cave ur fcking face in.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Cut Palmer and sign Matt Flynn….lol
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:33 pm
That 9er game brought me great satisfaction:)
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Dakota Says:
Hey, next season when all the koolaid drinkers start claiming that the preseason doesn’t matter….that looking completely lost and unprepared in exhibition games is just some fancy way of hiding all our secret plays…..go frak yourselves.
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Unvieled 2 o them today. The rest are still under wraps. Gonna really catch ‘em by surprise next year!
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:34 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
You guys should stop calling Cam a punk just for the simple fact you wouldnt say it to his face if you were alone with him cause he would cave ur fcking face in.
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Fuk that bltch. He wouldn’t do shlt.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:34 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
You guys should stop calling Cam a punk just for the simple fact you wouldnt say it to his face if you were alone with him cause he would cave ur fcking face in.
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Fuk that bltch. He wouldn’t do shlt.
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If he has an ounce of brains he wouldn’t. Because with his assets it would be a several million dollar lawsuit an dpayday for the recipient of said face caving.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Well some steer humping queer in Texas is very distraught about the 9ers getting a a$$ whoopin!
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Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:33 pm
That 9er game brought me great satisfaction:)
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
MistaBrown Says:
Well maybe you should log off and go Fk your sister or a farm animal, whatever goons from Texas do.
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Never heard of anyone doing that around here. In fact, I’ve never heard of this period. Just curious, how is it that you even think of something like this? It must be a brown family pastime.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Id love to see Seattle face the 9ers in the first round and clobber the Fk out of Harbough.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:37 pm
“It’s better to disappoint with the truth than appease with a lie.”
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Alex7 did you see Russell Okung dominate Aldon Smith? Oline baby and btw chi and pitt bye bye garbage olines out the playoff picture.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:34 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
You guys should stop calling Cam a punk just for the simple fact you wouldnt say it to his face if you were alone with him cause he would cave ur fcking face in.
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Fuk that bltch. He wouldn’t do shlt.
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If he has an ounce of brains he wouldn’t. Because with his assets it would be a several million dollar lawsuit an dpayday for the recipient of said face caving.
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Plus, after I caved his face in he’d be relegated to backing up JaMarcus … as a 3rd string grocery bagger in West Bumfuk, Alabama.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:39 pm
they do that in texas only on saturdays…
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
You guys should stop calling Cam a punk just for the simple fact you wouldnt say it to his face if you were alone with him cause he would cave ur fcking face in.
************
u wanna suck his dick don’t u?
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Knapp has to go…. Period!
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:34 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
You guys should stop calling Cam a punk just for the simple fact you wouldnt say it to his face if you were alone with him cause he would cave ur fcking face in.
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Fuk that bltch. He wouldn’t do shlt.
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LOL, You internet tough guys kill me boy.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:43 pm
MistaBrown Says:
November 1st, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Duck it’s going to be a Romney landslide.
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How can someone be this bad at everything? Seriously.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:43 pm
umm, when you get kicked, you go sack the QB the next play.
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Exactly.
Kick azz between the whistle, talk trash after it.
TK is a moron who does the opposite. Just talks before the whistly, then tries to act tough guy after it.
Never see Pat Willis get baited like that. Urlacher? Troy P? JJ Watt?
Nope, just goons like Suh and TK, hurting their team, time and time again.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
I am disgusted.
Please, for the love of all things holy fire dennis allen and his clueless staff.
Please rid ous of this fles biten bungles caracas.
Please satan claws… i mean santa claus
this is the worst football I have ever seen
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
LOL Dakota
Where are all those monkeys that said the preseason dorsnt matter?
You Monkeys are CRAZY!
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
You guys should stop calling Cam a punk just for the simple fact you wouldnt say it to his face if you were alone with him cause he would cave ur fcking face in.
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u wanna suck his dick don’t u?
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He’d take your sweet lil booty doc,LMFAO you guys are the punks talkn big shcit from the comfy confines of your home, ha straight suckas.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
chi and pitt bye bye garbage olines out the playoff picture.
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Chicago still is in it, and if not could still go 10-6, which is two games better than last years Raiders team, who you want to throw a parade for.
Green Bay has a trash O-line, and they might win the Super Bowl.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
304 not to worry…reggies plan of a sissified team will happen soon….will match its beatwriters…
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
I like Suh. He is dirty and nasty. TK is an idiot.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
chi and pitt bye bye garbage olines out the playoff picture.
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Chicago still is in it, and if not could still go 10-6, which is two games better than last years Raiders team, who you want to throw a parade for.
Green Bay has a trash O-line, and they might win the Super Bowl.
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GB oline is not trash just needs to get health and it appears they are getting there.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Raider O Says:
Where are all those monkeys that said the preseason dorsnt matter?
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2012 NFL Preseason:
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 4-0
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS 1-3
Preseason does not matter, you fkn idiot.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Suh is the same idiot with slightly better skills. So you pick and choose which idiot to like and then call the other idiots out.
lol
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Raider O Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
I like Suh. He is dirty and nasty. TK is an idiot.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:49 pm
How to get rid of Knapp:
Yes there was already a Change.org petition for Knapp’s dismissal. Revised the Change.org petition, or create a new petition on ipetition.com. Get at least 30,000 signatures on it, with AT LEAST 18,000 of those signatures current season ticket/half season tickets and package deal ticket holders stating you will NOT renew and re-up in 2013 unless Knapp is replaced as OC. Get the petition to both Mark Davis’ assistant and to the head of the marketing department. I highly highly doubt there is anyone in attendance this season who feels that Knapp needs another year next year. Since I hadn’t re-upped my season ticket package in the past 3 years, I’m in no place to initiate the petition.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:51 pm
–Daddy, what’s a TOUCHDOWN?
– I don’t know son, I’m a Raiders fan.
WTF!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:52 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Raider O Says:
Where are all those monkeys that said the preseason dorsnt matter?
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2012 NFL Preseason:
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 4-0
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS 1-3
Preseason does not matter, you fkn idiot.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Found one.
LOL
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:53 pm
titans owner turned off the tv in his game…mark didnt even notice there was a game…
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
You wanna neutralize a great pass rusher like Aldon Smith? get yourself a dominate LT like Russell Okung. Trent Williams doing a good job up in DC also. Gotta protect those investments.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Ray Anderson hopefully gets hired immediately, then HE begins process of evaluating Reggie and Allen and their staff, and it is he who cleans out the coaching staff with Reggie on notice/accountable.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Both them boys played College Football in Oklahoma!! Trent Williams OU, Russell Okung OSU.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:57 pm
a good running game neutralizes a pass rush.
: : ::groan : : :: :
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Suh is a talented idiot.
TK is an overpaid idiot.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:59 pm
All 3 of you are idiots.
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Raider O Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Suh is a talented idiot.
TK is an overpaid idiot.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:00 pm
there are OC’s who get canned in the middle of the season, why not Knappy ?
FIRE THE BUM NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:01 pm
We had the same issues in preseason (scoring especially from the GL), but monkeys like RaidingTexas are still trying to convince themselves and others that preseason doesn’t matter.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:02 pm
If you havent noticed we have a dysnfunctional derelict for a GM and a coach that is incompetent.
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Angry Little Man Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:00 pm
there are OC’s who get canned in the middle of the season, why not Knappy ?
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:03 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:59 pm
All 3 of you are idiots.
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Raider O Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Suh is a talented idiot.
TK is an overpaid idiot.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
You are an angry idiot.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Im not angry.
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Raider O Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:03 pm
You are an angry idiot.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Raider O Says:
Found one.
LOL
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Raiders 2006 Preseason: 3-1
Raiders 2002 Preseason: 2-2
Still not getting it?
Preseason does not matter. Show me a team playing preseason games like they matter and I’ll show you a Kardashian girl who hasn’t been fked in the azz.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Charlie Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:24 pm
How do you evaluate a scouting department that has not had a draft with the Raiders?
Do you remember that Reggie has not been in the job a full year? That he had to blow up the entire scouting department and install computers?
No quick fixes. Just hard work.See you in 2014.
Next year will be tough as well.
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Good. I’m glad you’re leaving instead coming on here everyday telling us it’s gonna be 5 yr’s before we see any progress.
You’ve said your peace and we’ll see you in 5 years.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Hue was the only coach that confronted Raider Ref bias and that was a big risk he was taking on his own accord. That Is one of the reason he is a hard hire. Hue trying to look out for the Raiders get a blind eye from Hue haters. Oh don’t thinks DA’s calm demeanor is going to slow down all the negativity we Raider fans hear every game and every sports show if they play like they have been playing.Hue’s fight for the Raiders was going the right way until he was uprooted by the team he was fighting for.
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By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
Sunday, December 23rd, 2012 at 5:12 pm in Oakland Raiders.
On Carolina’s first touchdown, a 23-yard pass from Cam Newton to Steve Smith, left tackle Byron Bell appeared to be holding Raiders defensive end Lamarr Houston.
No flag was thrown.
Much later, when Darren McFadden ran into the end zone from 3 yards out, Stefen Wisniewski was called for holding against a Carolina interior defender, erasing the touchdown.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:09 pm
LOL Mista.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:12 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Raider O Says:
Found one.
LOL
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Raiders 2006 Preseason: 3-1
Raiders 2002 Preseason: 2-2
Still not getting it?
Preseason does not matter. Show me a team playing preseason games like they matter and I’ll show you a Kardashian girl who hasn’t been fked in the azz.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I think you are missing the point. It’s not about your record, but some of the same issues were there in the preseason, and some people argued that we shouldn’t worry because the preseason doesn’t matter.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:12 pm
GB oline is not trash just needs to get health and it appears they are getting there.
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They’ve given up twice as many sacks as we have, 2nd worst in the NFL.
Bottom of the league in YPC.
Not sure how else to slice it
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
W-L records don’t matter in preseason, but how your 1’s and 1a’s look makes all the matter in the world.
Not sure why people disagree with that.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
2 of the Kardashian sisters are hot, but the one who is married to Odom looks like a dude.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
This is what the Raiders 2013 head coaching search list should look like:
- Jon Gruden
– Greg Roman
– Vic Fangio
– Chris Peterson
– Chip Kelly
– Hue Jackson
– Mike Zimmer
– Nick Saban
– Rex Ryan
I think Gruden as HC with Norv as OC and playcaller would be a great start.
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Next year our GM will be Reggie McKenzie and our HC will be Dennis Allen. Deal.
Gruden is not coming back to Oakland.
Norv Turner and Hue Jackson?
You’re being sarcastic, right?
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
W-L records don’t matter in preseason, but how your 1’s and 1a’s look makes all the matter in the world.
Not sure why people disagree with that.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Thank you.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Ray Anderson would be a great hire; more good graces with the NFL and the suits.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:17 pm
We should hire Tickle from Moonshiners as HC so Reggie will be on equal ground when matching wits with his pee-on
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Tom Cable’s ZBS sure punked the hell out of the 49ers tough physical D didn’t it?
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:22 pm
texaints zbs just got handled by the vikes…
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:25 pm
We need receivers who can run good routes and a QB who can take over the game…take control…get in receivers faces and demand they do what they’re supposed to do Our redzone failures have mostly to do with our lame azz pos OC Greg Knapp, but it seems when we get in the redzone everybody looks like they’ve never been there before…they look nervous, tentative, and then next thing u know they’re trotting out Seabass for yet another fg attempt.
This whole thing has been a mess.
NOBODY knows what the hell they’re doing…NOBODY!
DA included.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
I’m not a fan of the ZBS. I like to keep things as simple as possible for the players. Eliminate mental errors.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
so another Christmas comes with no playoffs for the Raiders…
and the best we can hope for is another coaching change.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:31 pm
sh!t this was over by halloween…
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Greg knapp couldnt even hold Tom Cables clip board… So jfb please dont sarcastically compare knapp to cabes. Cabes demoted knapp last time he was here.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:33 pm
I don’t think Cable has a bunch of late rounders, JFB.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:37 pm
You need players on the Oline regardless of scheme.
a 3rd rd LT is not going to handle top pass rushers because of some damn scheme.
Beast NTs are going to devour 6th rd OGs more often than not.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Suh stomps people in the face, kicks em in the balls ,kick their ass if they look at him wrong.
Whats not to love ? I’d want this guy to marry my daughter.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Romo and lo neal were talking about how 1 dimensional knapp and his zone scheme is on the post game show today and how knapp mainly uses 2 wr sets thats easy to game plan against. I know seattle plays a little zone too but they mix it up its not all zone and theyre a little more creative with their play calling as well. The zone scheme isnt bad its just when thats all you do its quite easy to stop.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 pm
mark davis needs to sell the team
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 pm
You People are funny. Both systems work, and you can win playing man or zone. It’s about the talent, coaching, ability to play together at a high level, and staying healthy.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:42 pm
im afraid thats what it will take…he really is the guy from dumb and dumber.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Tom Cable’s ZBS sure punked the hell out of the 49ers tough physical D didn’t it?
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Do we have Russell Okung on our Roster?
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:44 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
You wanna neutralize a great pass rusher like Aldon Smith? get yourself a dominate LT like Russell Okung. Trent Williams doing a good job up in DC also. Gotta protect those investments.
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Or just realize that he, like most of the Whiner D, are overrated as individuals. Because the overall level of talent on that D is above average it makes all of them look much better without weak links next to them. Aldon is good and may be even top 20ish at his position, but he’s not nearly as good as the sacks he gets on this defense. Mix him with the Raiders D and he gets maybe 5 sacks this season.
No Jason Smith bull rushing from one side and suddenly Aldon finds out what having TEs and RBs chipping on him feels like. Add in a strong running game and a lead and then he can’t just pin his ears back and pass rush the entire 2nd half. There go those sack numbers.
The whiners weakness is their complete and utter lack of depth on defense. They lose any one starter and then there is a weak link. Suddenly the guys next to them take a step back towards earth.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Angry Little Man Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Suh stomps people in the face, kicks em in the balls ,kick their ass if they look at him wrong.
Whats not to love ? I’d want this guy to marry my daughter.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Suh should be a Raider. Get it Done Reggie. Suh for McClain and DMC.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:48 pm
reggie isnt signing anyone but practice squad players…
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Al,
Too early to judge Reggie. He didn’t have much to work with (no cap, top draft picks, or talent).
Good Moves:
Wheeler, Burris, Streater, Biludiki, and Criner.
Bad Moves:
Brisiel, Bartell, 26 YO rookie, and allowing DA to hire Knapp.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:58 pm
We should have a top 5 pick and maybe top 3 if the eagles and lions win and we lose next week.
Draft DE/ OLB D Moore!
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:58 pm
its easy to judge reggie…= 4-12.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Romo and lo neal were talking about how 1 dimensional knapp and his zone scheme is on the post game show today and how knapp mainly uses 2 wr sets thats easy to game plan against. I know seattle plays a little zone too but they mix it up its not all zone and theyre a little more creative with their play calling as well. The zone scheme isnt bad its just when thats all you do its quite easy to stop.
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Cable gets a lot of the credit here. He took a zone system (that Knapp put in place in Seattle) and added a little nasty to it. He likes to use bigger guards and have them be more aggressive man up. It’s still ZBS in how they choose their man to block, but it’s more about driving and less about finesse. That seems to be a good fit with Lynch’s running style.
By the way, the entire starting OL for Seattle is signed through 2013. Talk about getting lots of reps together to build that chemistry …
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Raider O Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Al,
Too early to judge Reggie. He didn’t have much to work with (no cap, top draft picks, or talent).
Good Moves:
Wheeler, Burris, Streater, Biludiki, and Criner.
Bad Moves:
Brisiel, Bartell, 26 YO rookie, and allowing DA to hire Knapp.
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Let’s not forget addition through subtraction moves:
Routt, DVD, Curry (to be fair, it was injury related), and green lighting the end of Raiderness for McClain
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:04 pm
nycraider Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 pm
mark davis needs to sell the team
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I’ll say this as an extremely upset and frustrated Raider fan. SCREW IT.
I’m sick of being pragmatic and analytical about this garbage.
This team..this org..doesn’t deserve any fans. It’s a credit to the fanbase that anybody is left at all.
The HC couldn’t care less about the fans, and i’m not sure the GM does either. The owner cares cuz HE IS a fan.
If this f’d up org wasn’t in my blood I would’ve dropped ‘em like a hot potato long ago and especially after Al passed.
Honestly, I wish I could. I’ve wasted waaaay too much time concerning myself about this pos org. They’ve ruined waaaay too many Sundays and brought me nothing but misery time and again and now with no end in sight.
The most hopeful moment i’ve had in yr’s was that half an hour when Hub Arkush convinced me Gruden was coming to at least bring back some pride…if not wins right away. Of course the Raiders pr dept couldn’t wait to announce how “insulted” they were at such a possibility. “No way would we consider doing something that cool you idiots. We’re the Raiders you dumbazzes. You dummies know the deal. You get excited about some miniscule thing…and we destroy all your hopes. That’s how it works around here”. “You DID watch the game today didn’t you… retards”?
“Oh by the way. Season tickets are on sale for 2013. Make sure you fools are on board for a New Era of Excellence part 2…hahahahahahahaha.”
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Romo and lo neal were talking about how 1 dimensional knapp and his zone scheme is on the post game show today and how knapp mainly uses 2 wr sets thats easy to game plan against. I know seattle plays a little zone too but they mix it up its not all zone and theyre a little more creative with their play calling as well. The zone scheme isnt bad its just when thats all you do its quite easy to stop.
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The DCs laugh at Knapp.
He’s a league wide joke.
He will be our OC next year.
We win 5 games tops.
He will say it takes three years to learn his offense.
Watch…
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:06 pm
363…what has it gotten us? 4-12 record…id rather undue all that and get back to 8-8 at least….
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Suh should be a Raider. Get it Done Reggie. Suh for McClain and DMC.
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Suh’s not tradeable. He has a $17M cap hit next year for Detroit BUT if they trade or cut him it’s an $18M acceleration on signing bonus. From a cap perspective they couldn’t afford to replace him even if they wanted to. Not that I think they do by the way.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Before some smart aleck says to go “root for another team”, I can’t. It’s not a possibility. I’m stuck.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:10 pm
365,
Knapp already said it takes 5 yr’s. Then…you hope to luck into an Arian Foster.
That’s the plan. Lol.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:06 pm
363…what has it gotten us? 4-12 record…id rather undue all that and get back to 8-8 at least….
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Then you’re still living in the days of Al’s almost there so try to win this year mode. The cap was absolutely hosed and going in the wrong direction. It was as bad as Bush’s command of the national debt!
What this gets the Raiders is the start of relief and the ability to build a team of players that are worth what they are paid and not a ton more. That means more room to resign the guys you want to keep long haul and to attract the good free agents, and not just the ones on the veteran minimum scrap heap.
If you’re concerned only about this year’s 4-12 record then that’s akin to living only off maxed credit cards and complaining that paying them down is preventing you from by your next toy (on credit of course).
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:12 pm
nope im trying to live in a day when we dont get punked by carolina, cleveland, etc…
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
4-12….its about winning not saving someone elses money….thought you knew that.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:15 pm
12hNOT SportsCenter@NOTSportsCenter twitter
Carson Palmer is out with a rib injury. Matt Leinart has checked in at “interception thrower” for the #Raiders.
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WOW lmao. Even though its a fake parody espn twitter account that was cold. Thats how the rest of the country thinks of Palmer?
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Post 362 so knapp is responsible for the zone scheme in seattle in your opinion? Lmao gtfoh, that is all pete carrol and toms doing over there in seattle, you DA supporters are truly delusional its utterly ridiculous. Oh yea so I guess knapp is responsible for houstons success as well right? Lol laughable
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:17 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:25 pm
We need receivers who can run good routes and a QB who can take over the game…take control…get in receivers faces and demand they do what they’re supposed to do Our redzone failures have mostly to do with our lame azz pos OC Greg Knapp, but it seems when we get in the redzone everybody looks like they’ve never been there before…they look nervous, tentative, and then next thing u know they’re trotting out Seabass for yet another fg attempt.
This whole thing has been a mess.
NOBODY knows what the hell they’re doing…NOBODY!
DA included.
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Knapp just needs more time to learn his more-complicated-than-anyone-in-the-history-of-the-NFLs-offense and all is good.
It took him 14 games to get Pryor involved. (And NO he is not the answer to anything.)
The problem wasn’t McK hiring Allen. The problem was McK allowing him to hire the only piece of sh it moron on the planet that Allen had any connections with to RUN THE ENTIRE OFFENSE.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:06 pm
363…what has it gotten us? 4-12 record…id rather undue all that and get back to 8-8 at least….
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Then you’re still living in the days of Al’s almost there so try to win this year mode. The cap was absolutely hosed and going in the wrong direction. It was as bad as Bush’s command of the national debt!
What this gets the Raiders is the start of relief and the ability to build a team of players that are worth what they are paid and not a ton more. That means more room to resign the guys you want to keep long haul and to attract the good free agents, and not just the ones on the veteran minimum scrap heap.
If you’re concerned only about this year’s 4-12 record then that’s akin to living only off maxed credit cards and complaining that paying them down is preventing you from by your next toy (on credit of course).
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lol. still blaming Bush. i’m sure you’ll be blaming al davis for the next 10 yr’s too. our loser pres has done nothing to fix the debt you liberals love to blame on everyone else…cuz…that’s what you do. so how much you still blame on reagan? lmao.
how’s the government cheese tasting thse days. you know the 3rd of the month is coming up..party time again.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Be smart fans. Call in or write a letter to Amy Trask and let her know you will not buy tickets unless the Raiders get serious about entering the 21st century of the NFL.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Our offense scored 51 points the last 4 games.
Eff you Knapp!
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
The Raider qbs today looked like they had time to throw but didn’t pull the trigger because guys were covered.
It’s hard to tell from tv since you don’t get to see the whole field, but what do you think:
1) Are our receivers simply not running sharp routes that put them where they’re supposed to be IN TIME?
2.) Or, are the calls so bad that the coverage is perfect?
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Bring back Gruden or else, is a good way to start. I’m tired of supporting a team that finds the worst Head Coaches known to mankind!
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Leinart as # 2 QB is a freakin’ crime. Are you kidding me? The guy is useless and throws like a girl.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:22 pm
It just boggles my mind how dumb Davis was the last 10 years of his life. Giving all that money to Kelly, Jawalrus, Sapp, Seymour, McClain, Gallery. What a dumb SOB!
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:23 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:10 pm
365,
Knapp already said it takes 5 yr’s. Then…you hope to luck into an Arian Foster.
That’s the plan. Lol.
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Knapp as OC = empty stadiums next year.
Lets see if Mark Davis steps in and corrects this “GIGO.”
Mck/Allen are too invested in their own greatness to stop it.
Just a horrible hunch here…
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:23 pm
I am not one to ever want to change the Raider uniforms in a big way, but I can be superstitious too.
We need a different look, a small makeover, and one I feel will look sharp. It never would have happened with Al, but I think it should.
The black bars on the helmets and the black bars on the sides of the pants need to be widened a bit. I think it would look sharp. We also need the white shoes back, on everyone. This business of team members all wearing different shoes looks messy, lacks discipline.
I’d also like to see the silver numerals on our away whites make a comeback and they need to be trimmed in black so they can be visible. Would look sharp!
What do ya think?
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Once again Joe Boger and his officiating crew confirmed today that they are THE worst officiating crew or one of the worst in the NFL.
That crew needs to be split up….pronto!
Doesn’t matter, DA and coaching staff still suck!
Let’s hope for the sake that is all holy that since DA will not be fired…..Knapp and Hoffman certainly are.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:27 pm
DA and Knapp only give TP
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:27 pm
only give TP a handful if snaps….what a joke.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:28 pm
It was nice seeing Mike Mitchell Blitz the Fccck out of Scam Newton and take him down.. then Mitchell got up and point at Scam hahaha
BTW did anyone here Desmond Bryant go all psycho beast mode at Cam in the 3rd quartrer? He couldnt be blocked and was screaming at Cam b4 the play started haha. Was going crazy even after that sack .. Kelly was getting into a fight with cam and Bryant didnt even notice.. was just all fired up.
Was awesome
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:28 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:10 pm
365,
Knapp already said it takes 5 yr’s. Then…you hope to luck into an Arian Foster.
That’s the plan. Lol.
^^^^^^^^^^
It takes 5 years…..hahah….Knapp is freaking joke!
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:29 pm
We don’t need to change the uniforms.
They are the most beautiful in all of sport.
Fire Knapp. Fire Allen. Hire Gruden.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
What are you idiots still talking about al and russel for,they are not the reason we went from 8-8 and almost making the playoffs to a nfl joke.we need to beg gruden back and take some of Reggie ’s power.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Davis, McK are too stubborn to give Gruden what he wants and bring him back here.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Looks like I won one of the 3 fantasy leagues I was in today!
$1200! Chowwwwwwwww!!
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Do we want a win against the Chargers to give false hope for next season or do we want a loss to expedite the firings? What a messed up dilema. Thoughts?
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Even if the Raiders wanted to.. now way they beat the chargers next week
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Did anyone notice that when Tomlin took over the steelers,he left the offense and defense along because why change what works.our offense was top 10 it should not have been touched.I thought our defense couldn’t get any worst and outside of today and the first game they proved me wrong.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:38 pm
If Reggie new anything about football,he would have brought in a coach who scheme fit his young talent.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Oakland Raiders coach Dennis Allen says Terrelle Pryor not ready to be backup quarterback
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22251464/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-says-terrelle-pryor?source=autofeed#
How the hell would Allen know?
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:42 pm
We all could say the same thing about DA/ KNAPP
DA not ready to become HC just yet.
KNAPP not ready to be OC again
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:42 pm
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22251464/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-says-terrelle-pryor?source=autofeed#
Is he relying on reports fron Knapp? If he was, how the hell would knapp know?
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:43 pm
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22251464/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-says-terrelle-pryor?source=autofeed#
These coaches have no credibility.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Raiders will not score a touchdown vs SD. Knapps playbook does not allow for that. If we beat San Diego, we will do it with 10 field goals, assuming we can at least get to mid field with the offensive schemes.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:45 pm
I notice Monte Poole changed the title of the coaches.
Water it down buddy. You don’t wanna get kicked out of Reggie’s free sandwich club.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
403,
I dont know what happened there. What I meant to say was Monte Poole changed the title of his article so as not appear so critical of the coaches.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:47 pm
pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pathe-the-thet-thet-fcking-pathetic
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:49 pm
All the coaches minds are muddled. losing does this. it muddles the brain. we have muddled coaches who blame the players. how can you coach when your mind is muddled with all that losing. cant be done.
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Any news yet about Gruden coming back? Any coaches fired yet? Anybody know if we need a new OC? How bout Gruden? Any details on his new contract with the Raiders? He isn’t gonna keep knapp is he? So many questions about this team.
December 23rd, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Are we really 4-11? My gosh. I can’t see myself being a fan of a different team, but this org does not deserve the fan support they get.
Nobody likes a loser, but yet week after week you see people at the stadium and fans on this blog dissecting things, and talking about what we should do and shouldn’t do, yet the powers that be do not give two schytts about what any of us think.
“Trade Dmac for a 4th rounder”
“Trade Palmer”
“Play TP6 more”
They don’t care…period. They take it for granted the fans will be there no matter what garbage they put out on the field. They really don’t care. They’ve got the TV money and revenue sharing so Raiders get rich even if the stadium is empty.
This team is so used to losing in it’s in their DNA; they know nothing else but how to lose.
Even the game against KC it was like they were just daring KC to do anything to try and win and the Raiders would be inclined to give it to them. It’s who this team is……losers.
December 23rd, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Monte poole proved he has no nads changing that title… They wouldnt hold back writing against al davis but oh youll spare dennis allens? Give me a break, this team and their beat writers are a joke.
December 23rd, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Allen said mid season that when the season’s over we’ll all look back at DMAC’s season and say…wait for it.. “it was successful”.
Guess what? WRONG AGAIN TITS.
December 23rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Alley Cat Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Any news yet about Gruden coming back? Any coaches fired yet? Anybody know if we need a new OC? How bout Gruden? Any details on his new contract with the Raiders? He isn’t gonna keep knapp is he? So many questions about this team.
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I think that was a confirmed story about Allen meeting with Gruden when he came to light the fire …
I think CBS Sports confirmed Allen and McKenzie are coming back, but no word on the OC or DC
Believe me, there will be MANY more questions after the San Diego game.
December 23rd, 2012 at 11:21 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Are we really 4-11? My gosh. I can’t see myself being a fan of a different team, but this org does not deserve the fan support they get.
Nobody likes a loser, but yet week after week you see people at the stadium and fans on this blog dissecting things, and talking about what we should do and shouldn’t do, yet the powers that be do not give two schytts about what any of us think.
“Trade Dmac for a 4th rounder”
“Trade Palmer”
“Play TP6 more”
They don’t care…period. They take it for granted the fans will be there no matter what garbage they put out on the field. They really don’t care. They’ve got the TV money and revenue sharing so Raiders get rich even if the stadium is empty.
This team is so used to losing in it’s in their DNA; they know nothing else but how to lose.
Even the game against KC it was like they were just daring KC to do anything to try and win and the Raiders would be inclined to give it to them. It’s who this team is……losers.
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They had to clear out a lot of salary and will have to again next season. Have to decide on Carson Palmer, Richard Seymour and a few others Lechler in particular.
McKenzie and Allen should be read the riot act by Mark Davis.
December 23rd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Alley Cat Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Do we want a win against the Chargers to give false hope for next season or do we want a loss to expedite the firings? What a messed up dilema. Thoughts?
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More curious if they would start Pryor over Leinart and rest Palmer for next season.
December 23rd, 2012 at 11:34 pm
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22251993/poole-hard-figure-thinking-oakland-raiders-coaches
And another great article by Monte.
He has been on fire with his accurate criticisms of DA and crappy mismanagement and crappy coaching staff…especially Knapp!
If DA stays…..then Knapp better be fired at least
Even though they all should be fired and a REAL head coach should be brought in!
December 23rd, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
This is what the Raiders 2013 head coaching search list should look like:
- Jon Gruden
– Greg Roman
– Vic Fangio
– Chris Peterson
– Chip Kelly
– Hue Jackson
– Mike Zimmer
– Nick Saban
– Rex Ryan
I think Gruden as HC with Norv as OC and playcaller would be a great start.
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Mike Zimmer deserves to be a head coach in the NFL. It’s long overdue.
I would take Zimmer any day of the week ahead of DA.
December 23rd, 2012 at 11:42 pm
#414- Ouch. Stinging criticism, but rings true. This staff stinks to no end.
December 23rd, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Losers are Dennis Allen and the coaching staff! As wellas the plays by Crybaby Palmer and the offense coordinator, Knapp got to go, period! Hey Mark, here’s a suggestion for you as far as coaches. Andy Reid will be fired, the sec you hear that call the Walrus up PDQ!! Go over…steamrolled over Spuds to get this coach! Being at Philly itself a headache in half as far as fans wise! Bring in a credible OC and DC, with Andy things will be on the uptick quick! And if Spuds don’t like it, show him the door!!!!!!!
December 24th, 2012 at 12:01 am
I agree, it would be hard for Reggie to fire his first HC after 1 year.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Agent Denver two most gifted athletes TP an TJ are in his dog house ,hes talking about ball security and people being too raw,yet they are potential play-makers that needed playing time,this is the kind of game they would take over…. instead we get the OC house husbands,both too rich and too skitz to play QB in the NFL
December 24th, 2012 at 12:11 am
Leinart was 16/32 with about a 3 YPC average. When I look at teams like the Patriots and Colts, I realize how far behind this team really is. Knapp and DA have set this franchise back at least 3 years with their vanila, sharpie wielding BS
December 24th, 2012 at 12:12 am
If Marc Davis wants a new stadium and win again he will fire the entire coaching staff and bring gruden back.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:32 am
It might be hard for Reggie to fire his coach after one year but it shouldn’t be hard for Marc Davis.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Good post at 388,
MM34 and Bryant are def my favorite Raiders right now. Both are talented, hit hard, love to play and have a lot of enthusiasm.
MM34 has been maybe the best player on the team the last few weeks.
I saw Bryant going a little berserk on that play as well. Definitely in his own world there for a moment. LOL.
MM34 > Branch
December 24th, 2012 at 1:28 am
Some say if Reggie would be willing to fire his HC after just one yr. then we have the wrong guy as GM. I say if he ISN’T willing to do so than we have the wrong guy.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:31 am
DA is here another yr. regardless so it’s a moot point.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:50 am
all I know is Hue Jack was fired for a lot less then Knapp has done or more to the point what Knapp hasent done.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:29 am
texguy Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Why didn’t they play Pryor more? Like, an actual series or two. That was the prime opportunity to see what he was capable of, especially with Palmer being out.
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If the purpose is to take a look at Prior, then he needs at least a series.
Evidently what they are seeing from him in practice is not impressive.
Even so, if you’re going to take a look at Prior in a real game, then take a look.
We took a look at Leinhart yesterday and on the team’s last possession……..he actually threw it away?! Who does that?!
Hard to believe that the kid can do worse than what Leinhart showed us yesterday.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:34 am
HC in 2013 = Dennis Allen.
DC in 2013 = Tarver…and the defense has improved
lately.
OC in 2013 = Probably Knapp although with Norv out
there and Sanders on staff, you never
know.
Get used to it.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:39 am
I’m still wondering whether it is not so much Knapp’s system as it is Knapp’s play calling which is questionable at best.
Three screens in a row?…etc.
When Palmer has been given the responsibility of calling the plays-albeit Knapp’s plays from Knapp’s system-the offense has played better.
Let Palmer or Sanders call the plays for the last game from Knapp’s system.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:47 am
Oakland’s Tommy Kelly: We went after Cam Newton after Carson Palmer was hurt
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Well I should hope so. They put our quarterback out, we go after theirs–strictly within the rules…wink, wink.
It wasn’t Kelly who was kicking players in the game, it was 12-year-old Cam Newton.
Kelly had every right to react and it’s not his fault if the official was too dumb to see Cam’s kick.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:50 am
Chris in NY Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Good post at 388,
MM34 and Bryant are def my favorite Raiders right now. Both are talented, hit hard, love to play and have a lot of enthusiasm.
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Yes indeed.
I also really like what I’m seeing from Miles Burriss. Very promising.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:51 am
Well, no more talking to myself-although I do get some very intelligent answers.
I’m off to do the Christmas shopping.
Merry Christmas and go Raiders!
December 24th, 2012 at 5:38 am
Calling this putrid excuse of a team the Oakland Browns is an insult to the Cleveland Browns who are MUCH better than the sad sack Raiders. This team wearing silver and black is beyond putrid. Poorly coached, crappy GM, cokehead owner that doesn’t know what the heck he is doing. Players stink, little talent. Their best player is fragile as glass and has stunk this year (McFadden) too after the retread O coordinator put him in a system Jim Brown couldn’t gain yards in.
Blow up the entire team.
Fire Allen too immediately. This guy is simply holding down a headset. He’s the skinny white version of art shell minus the HOF playing career. Allen isn’t talking to anyone on hisheadset – He just hassome tunes going in his ear during the game. Either that or he’s listening to an ‘I think I can’ Audio book from some motivational speaker who knows more about success than he does.
Another terrible season and loss today. I watched about 10 minutes of that dribble.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:43 am
I hope the Chargers blow out the Raiders 55-3. Maybe that will get the entire coaching staff canned.
The fact DA stinks is no surprise to me. You could see this the day he hoisted his family up on the stage after Reggie McClueless hired him. DA looked like he had won the lottery. Totally clueless and undeserving of being the head coach. DA: You mean I get an NFL head coach’s salary for succeeding in the interview process and BSing my way to get this job. It may be the lousiest head coaching job in the NFL but I get this gargantuan salary for being a mediocre DC for 1 year at Denver? Me? And his wife was thinking the same thing.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Loved the fire (finally) from Tarver and even from Allen yesterday! Someone tweeted LOL, we made Cammie cry…that was probably the highlight of the day!
But…after that…wow, Seattle Seahawks put an arse whooping clinic last night!!!
December 24th, 2012 at 6:07 am
Tommy Kelly can kick rocks with Allen. Did you see newtons “kick”? Anyone retaliating from that is as weak as Allen looks. Pvssy.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:25 am
TK “ain’t fixing to take that from nobody”.
Too bad he doesn’t take that approach to people blocking him in the run game.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:25 am
If Pryor isn’t ready to be the backup QB, then that is on you and your staff, tlts!
December 24th, 2012 at 6:27 am
Just like you weren’t prepared when the long snapper got injured! You piece of steaming shlt!
December 24th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Allen and knapp should be raped with a plugged in curling iron. Azzh0les. Merry fvckin Christmas!
December 24th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Pryor will be gone next year, IMO.
This regime didn’t draft him, and don’t want to be fired because he isn’t any good.
I wish he would get the chance as a fan, but this is the business of the NFL and I get it.
Happens all the time. New GM and coach come in, and find their own QB’s to develop.
TP was toast when Al died.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:33 am
Would have been funny if Marcel Reece gets in and Pryor with the only touchdown pass for the Raiders…
Why wait for week 16 for trickery? oh well…it was close for being a “great” sports weekend for me…Lakers won, and Niners and Cowboys lost! Dammit Riders!!!
December 24th, 2012 at 6:33 am
*Raiders
December 24th, 2012 at 6:34 am
-Elway came in, wanted nothing to do with Tebow.
-New coach in Philly will not want Vick back.
-Harbaugh is doing it with Kappy right now, not wanting to hitch his saddle to Alex Smith, but with the guy he drafted.
-Hue Jackson didn’t want to develop Jamarcus and couldn’t wait to dump on Soup. The guy he brought in, was the greatest ever though in his eyes.
Common place in the NFL. We all should have seen it from the beginning I guess.
And if we fire this staff, best believe the new guy will not want Carson Palmer either.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:53 am
Funny thing about that one, JFB is that Harbaugh did his best to ditch Smith in the offseason when they were courting Peyton Manning! When Manning chose Denver, they had no choice but to resign him! Alex should have said F-U and went somewhere else! Maybe Miami???
December 24th, 2012 at 7:17 am
DEAR SANTA DAVIS,
ALL WE WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS A CLOWNE COACHE CADRE FIRING!
MERRY XMAS NATION!
December 24th, 2012 at 7:22 am
Alex Smith may come here next offseason, especially if we bring in a new HC.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:29 am
What a waste of another year of Raider football. =/
December 24th, 2012 at 7:34 am
Hate to say it, but 4-12 or 5-11 HAS BEEN Raider football over the last decade.
We have been 5-11 or worse, 8 of the last 10 years with this season.
We may just become the Oakland Supersonics.
Great stories of yesteryear…….but no current team.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:34 am
TEAMS W L SOS
1 Kansas City 2 13 0.489
2 Jacksonville 2 13 0.551
3 Oakland 4 11 0.471
4 Philadelphia 4 11 0.507
5 Detroit 4 11 0.569
6 Buffalo 5 10 0.493
7 Cleveland 5 10 0.502
8 Tennessee 5 10 0.538
9 Arizona 5 10 0.553
10 San Diego 6 9 0.471
11 Tampa Bay 6 9 0.482
12 NY Jets 6 9 0.516
13 Carolina 6 9 0.520
14 Pittsburgh 7 8 0.476
15 Miami 7 8 0.480
16 New Orleans 7 8 0.527
17 St. Louis 7 7 1 0.524
18 Dallas 8 7 0.511
19 NY Giants 8 7 0.544
20 Washington 9 6 0.496
21 Minnesota 9 6 0.507
22 Chicago 9 6 0.533
Go San Diego!
We need a top 3 pick, with KC falling in love with genocide so we can draft either star or Joeckel.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Will we be flipping coins again for draft positions?
You know the opposing team will get the call and emailed ahead of time that the coin will be tails on both sides.
lol
December 24th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Geno smith is auto corrected to genocide!
Awesome!
December 24th, 2012 at 7:40 am
No to Joeckel, LT is not a major need.
If we go O-line, should be an interior guy, which could hopefully be a trade down scenario.
I think it comes down to the Moore guy (A & M connection with our HC), Te’O or Star.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:40 am
The only change I really want is knapp to be FIRED YESTERDAY, that said I can handle D.A. For another season. As far as players go, get rid of Kelly,Romac,Dmac, Seygarbage.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Dakota Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Geno smith is auto corrected to genocide!
Awesome!
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I was wondering, wtf is he up to this morning. lol
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All for that whole scenario. Thats the only way we should go.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:46 am
I assure you guys Knapp will be gone next year. Retaining his ’services’ is the equal to this coaching staff that everything is ok and it’s only the players fault.
He’s not coming back. We all understand our defense needs players but on offense, it’s been a joke of playcalling.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Quite frankly this coaching staffs talent evaluation skills are completely suspect.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:47 am
I would laugh if KC goes Geno #1 overall.
Not that I don’t think Smith could play in the leauge, he is deadly accurate 25 yards and in, and his game reminds me a lot of Matt Ryan’s.
But he is NOT a top-flight QB prospect like the ones we have seen over the past few years, to be going #1 overall.
Has some bust potential to him.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:47 am
I haven’t been this dissapointed since the Cleveland game.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Raiderbuck Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Quite frankly this coaching staffs talent evaluation skills are completely suspect.
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^THIS^
December 24th, 2012 at 7:50 am
McFadden has to be sent packing as well.
His runs are very uninspiring. You watch Lynch run last night, and he is dragging defenders, punishing people, the first defender almost never brings him down and is extremely consistant.
You have no idea what McNinny gives you year to year. He runs away from contact, doesn’t fall forward, and looks to go sideways, way too often. He rarely breaks tackles these days.
I think Lis Franc effectively ended his run as a #1 RB in the NFL. It just ain’t there anymore.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:50 am
We all know how this story goes, if we are left drafting the ot then the dt will be the next Alan page, and if we are left with the dt, then the ot will turn out to be the next Orlando pace.
Why do we bother even paying attention?
December 24th, 2012 at 7:51 am
I think Knapp will be gone next season as well, and that will be the big “purge” from the staff.
However, I would expect we bring in another ZBS guy as OC. Someone from the Packers staff probably.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:52 am
I want Ken Norton Jr as our D.Cord. He gots those LB’ers playing ball.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Why do we bother even paying attention?
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Are you crazy?
The draft is our Super Bowl!!!!!
December 24th, 2012 at 7:54 am
It really doesn’t matter in light of how bad the whole team is, but…I can’t help wondering why Knapp/Allen keep force-feeding the ball to McFadden. The guy has had an unbelievably bad season. He never slips a tackler, never finds a hole on his own.
When Reese played tailback, we had a running game. The guy averaged almost 5 yards a carry. He manufactured yards like a real NFL back.
Goodson has been effective when he’s carried the ball. And even Jeremy Stewart was able to consistently ground out yards.
McFadden, despite his amazing talents, has no confidence and has seemingly forgotten how to run the ball. And the problem is not ONLY the ZBS, because Reese was able to run behind it just fine. McFadden has to go. We need a lead back who wants to gain yards every play, not a guy who is content to run into the first tackler he sees.
The line will also play better if they know their lead back will find every crack and get through them. It has to be very discouraging to the linemen that McFadden can never find a hole.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:56 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:28 pm
It was nice seeing Mike Mitchell Blitz the Fccck out of Scam Newton and take him down.. then Mitchell got up and point at Scam hahaha
BTW did anyone here Desmond Bryant go all psycho beast mode at Cam in the 3rd quartrer? He couldnt be blocked and was screaming at Cam b4 the play started haha. Was going crazy even after that sack .. Kelly was getting into a fight with cam and Bryant didnt even notice.. was just all fired up.
Was awesome
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Great scene…they went beast mode, and they got to Cam. I think the Panther-Raiders got a little chippy in years past, too. Steve SMith was right in the middle of it, too. That guy never backs down.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:50 am
McFadden has to be sent packing as well.
His runs are very uninspiring. You watch Lynch run last night, and he is dragging defenders, punishing people, the first defender almost never brings him down and is extremely consistant.
You have no idea what McNinny gives you year to year. He runs away from contact, doesn’t fall forward, and looks to go sideways, way too often. He rarely breaks tackles these days.
I think Lis Franc effectively ended his run as a #1 RB in the NFL. It just ain’t there anymore.
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I saw that Jet, Bronco and Jaguar game where he ran wild.
Not convinced just yet. I think the kid still got it and is used ineffectively by Knapp.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:58 am
In a season where this bungling coaching staff has been a complete debacle, it’s hard to fault any player for lack of production. This is not on McFadden or DHB. This staff has proven on a weekly basis that they do not know what the fk they are doing.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:58 am
What is the upside of getting rid of McFadden? I don’t know his 2013 cap number. You are not going to get anything in a trade for him, so no upside there.
Why not keep him on the roster, but have a legit backup plan in the form of a draft pick or free agent signing?
Maybe a full offseason can heal up his foot and bring back his explosiveness?
Personally, I would not give up on ford, Moore, dhb, Palmer or McFadden until we see them with a legit offensive coordinator next season.
If we keep knapp and the current oline coach, then we might as well trade anyone with talent and just punt on first down every time, because we ate more likely to score on a fumbled punt return than we are running knapp’s offense.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:58 am
We need to play on a field where the end zone is located on the sidelines.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:00 am
I saw that Jet, Bronco and Jaguar game where he ran wild.
Not convinced just yet. I think the kid still got it and is used ineffectively by Knapp.
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Exactly, who has been used effectivly this year? It’s the coaches
December 24th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Im done no more support for wennie arm QB’s and a bullsyht Fossil QB! No Change No Season tickes! This was stupid and a waist of a Roster spot with Lienert He is a weaker arm Sanchez! Might as well get noodle arm Smith from S.F. if you are never gonna let Pryor play! Looks like my days as a Raiders fan are numbered!Asmuch as I cry support them they sit and lie to us about future plans! Weill play pryor why not prepare Pryor or get rid of Knapp period. The only reason he wasn’t ready is you didin’t prepare him! Winning against the Chargers is a Moot subject we don’t need to evaluate anything but the players listed if he can’t help we need to get another group of QB’s all of them must go!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Carl Weathers Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:07 am
Tommy Kelly can kick rocks with Allen. Did you see newtons “kick”? Anyone retaliating from that is as weak as Allen looks. Pvssy.
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Kelly knocked Blaine Gabbert out of the game and probably helped us to beat Jacksonville. He has his good games…much more effective with Seymour next to him. I dont think he’s a lost cause…just loses it at times.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Dakota Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:58 am
What is the upside of getting rid of McFadden? I don’t know his 2013 cap number. You are not going to get anything in a trade for him, so no upside there.
Why not keep him on the roster, but have a legit backup plan in the form of a draft pick or free agent signing?
Maybe a full offseason can heal up his foot and bring back his explosiveness?
Personally, I would not give up on ford, Moore, dhb, Palmer or McFadden until we see them with a legit offensive coordinator next season.
If we keep knapp and the current oline coach, then we might as well trade anyone with talent and just punt on first down every time, because we ate more likely to score on a fumbled punt return than we are running knapp’s offense.
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It’s just the people who refuse to acknowledge the poor coaching that want DMC gone. They’d realize the foolishness in their opinion if we had to go into next season with Goodson and Stewart as the starting RB’s.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:02 am
sorry about spelling but im mad! We are so sorry in the red zone it should be called the DRY Zone or the Dead Zone!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Another funny thing about yetserday…did they really show a stat of Leinhert passing for 100+ yards and posted last time he threw for a 100…really?
December 24th, 2012 at 8:03 am
I saw that Jet, Bronco and Jaguar game where he ran wild.
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By the time next season starts, that will almost be 3 years prior and pre Lis Franc.
He is not the same player, and it isn’t just on running plays.
He caught a swing pass yesterday, and could have turned it upfield for more yards, or who knows maybe break a tackle (crazy I know).
Instead he goes straight to the sidelines and actually gets a negative YAC on the play.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Dakota Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:58 am
What is the upside of getting rid of McFadden? I don’t know his 2013 cap number. You are not going to get anything in a trade for him, so no upside there.
Why not keep him on the roster, but have a legit backup plan in the form of a draft pick or free agent signing?
Maybe a full offseason can heal up his foot and bring back his explosiveness?
Personally, I would not give up on ford, Moore, dhb, Palmer or McFadden until we see them with a legit offensive coordinator next season.
If we keep knapp and the current oline coach, then we might as well trade anyone with talent and just punt on first down every time, because we ate more likely to score on a fumbled punt return than we are running knapp’s offense.
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Precisely.
have a plan in play to get Stepfan Williams of Stanford, Christine Michael of Texas A&M or Montee Ball. Lets get some production to replace people instead of blowin up the team and not having any talent to replace what we lose.
There really is no addition by subtraction of talented , yet misused players. But DMC’s injuries are beginning to frustrate the Nation…believe me, I understand it.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:03 am
I saw that Jet, Bronco and Jaguar game where he ran wild.
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By the time next season starts, that will almost be 3 years prior and pre Lis Franc.
He is not the same player, and it isn’t just on running plays.
He caught a swing pass yesterday, and could have turned it upfield for more yards, or who knows maybe break a tackle (crazy I know).
Instead he goes straight to the sidelines and actually gets a negative YAC on the play
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Reluctantly, i agree.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:04 am
raiderlization Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Im done no more support for wennie arm QB’s and a bullsyht Fossil QB! No Change No Season tickes! This was stupid and a waist of a Roster spot with Lienert He is a weaker arm Sanchez! Might as well get noodle arm Smith from S.F. if you are never gonna let Pryor play! Looks like my days as a Raiders fan are numbered!Asmuch as I cry support them they sit and lie to us about future plans! Weill play pryor why not prepare Pryor or get rid of Knapp period. The only reason he wasn’t ready is you didin’t prepare him! Winning against the Chargers is a Moot subject we don’t need to evaluate anything but the players listed if he can’t help we need to get another group of QB’s all of them must go!
I agree and understand your frustration, but…really? Giving up your fan card?
December 24th, 2012 at 8:04 am
The football IQ drops dangerously low on this blog immediately after a loss.
Good morning to the the more insightful.
I offer a perspective to those who continue to argue that last year’s team was really a solid 8-8 team one win away from the promised land.
I like Carson as a QB, but if we just went with Bollar last year do you think we finish 8-8? Injuries are part of the game. We mortagaged quite a bit of our future to eke out 8-8. Further we got blasted down the stretch by good teams and our offense was not much better than today DOWN THE STRETCH.
I understand why we made the deal but giving up 3 of your top four picks in the next two years of drafts makes it very difficult to rebuild.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:05 am
I’m on the fence with DMAC but if he was to stay, I think it would be ideal for him to not be the featured back. Get DMAC to work on his wr skills and put him in plays where he could be a mismatch.
Limit his rushes per game and sign or draft a featured back that is a bruiser. I think doing this throughout the year and letting him loose if we were to reach the playoffs (one day) would be perfect.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Moore is gun shy, Ford was hurt and knew it but wanted to wait until re-injury to get the problem fixed. they are KR and PR not #1 or 2 wrs. Dmac is tradable as well as anyone else on O.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:06 am
we need Offensive picks!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:06 am
They’d realize the foolishness in their opinion if we had to go into next season with Goodson and Stewart as the starting RB’s.
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I don’t think anyone is advocating that, but we need an upgrade at RB.
McFadden has been outplayed this season by the people behind him, there is no debating this.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Woj Says: I watched about 10 minutes of that dribble.
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Which makes the rest of you observationsalso dribble.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!!! It’s a beautiful day to be a Raider fan, isn’t it?
December 24th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:06 am
They’d realize the foolishness in their opinion if we had to go into next season with Goodson and Stewart as the starting RB’s.
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I don’t think anyone is advocating that, but we need an upgrade at RB.
McFadden has been outplayed this season by the people behind him, there is no debating thi
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This entire team is under performing. This coaching staff doesn’t have anyone playing well and that can’t be denied.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Good Morning Mr.P! =D
December 24th, 2012 at 8:13 am
After the 2010 and 2011 seasons under hue very few of us would want to dump the skill guys on our offense. Dhb was coming around, McFadden was getting 5.5 yards per carry, Moore looked like a draft day steal….now knapp has destroyed it all and you people want to dump them?
I say sign a legit #1 wr and a young rb that can carry the load, but keep our young players and see if a REAL offensive coordinator can being those once promising players back into play.
It is worth keeping them around. Don’t let knapp’s failure ruin our view On our young guys.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:13 am
And not that I didn’t enjoy Matt Leinart’s 20 yard Hail Mary’s, but when the longest play of the day involves Terrelle Pryor, then you should probably play him more.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:34 am
Hate to say it, but 4-12 or 5-11 HAS BEEN Raider football over the last decade.
We have been 5-11 or worse, 8 of the last 10 years with this season.
We may just become the Oakland Supersonics.
Great stories of yesteryear…….but no current team.
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Or the Oakland Warriors who lose to sorry @$$ teams like the Lakers!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Dakota Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:13 am
After the 2010 and 2011 seasons under hue very few of us would want to dump the skill guys on our offense. Dhb was coming around, McFadden was getting 5.5 yards per carry, Moore looked like a draft day steal….now knapp has destroyed it all and you people want to dump them?
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Well when you put it like that… But, but,….continuity
December 24th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Knapp’s already insipid and unimaginative play calling degenerated into an almost unwatchable parody of itself yesterday.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Damn phone, I am out.
Merry Christmas! (or happy holidays to you godless liberals)
December 24th, 2012 at 8:16 am
The_Judge37 Says:
And not that I didn’t enjoy Matt Leinart’s 20 yard Hail Mary’s, but when the longest play of the day involves Terrelle Pryor, then you should probably play him more.
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Question is, as what?
December 24th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Knapp’s already insipid and unimaginative play calling degenerated into an almost unwatchable parody of itself yesterday.
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I’ve already become numb to our Dirt Knapp offense. What i couldn’t stand was to watch Duck after Duck from Matt Leinart while this staff stubbornly refuses to play Pryor. But i understand it’s important to take a look at Matt, who’s a cheaper option next year, just in case they missed something in his previous 7 years.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:17 am
The only 2 concerns i’ve had with DMAC was how he would adapt to the zone blocking scheme and his injuries.
Other than that, I know he’s more than a handful when used correctly, which under Knapp has been a total failure.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:16 am
The_Judge37 Says:
And not that I didn’t enjoy Matt Leinart’s 20 yard Hail Mary’s, but when the longest play of the day involves Terrelle Pryor, then you should probably play him more.
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Question is, as what?
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Can’t be worse than Lame Duck Leinart
December 24th, 2012 at 8:22 am
496.Dakota Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Damn phone, I am out.
Merry Christmas! (or happy holidays to you godless liberals)
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LOL, Merry Christmas to you as well Dakota.
I’m hoping for a miracle that Jon Gruden will be back where he belongs next year…
December 24th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Good Morning, Miami!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:22 am
All we can pray for is Palmer faking the injury so Pryor can get a start and Leinart catching a bad case of the squirts before the game against San Diego.
I’m sorry but I want a top 3 pick.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Question is, as what?
498.The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Knapp’s already insipid and unimaginative play calling degenerated into an almost unwatchable parody of itself yesterday.
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I’ve already become numb to our Dirt Knapp offense. What i couldn’t stand was to watch Duck after Duck from Matt Leinart while this staff stubbornly refuses to play Pryor. But i understand it’s important to take a look at Matt, who’s a cheaper option next year, just in case they missed something in his previous 7 years.
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Boggles the mind doesn’t it? Really no excuse not to give TP playing time at this point. Let’s see what he can do for at least a half against SD!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:25 am
One last thing, remember that many of the people in here constantly harping on McFadden are those who hated him from the beginning, and who also defended the hiring of Greg knapp.
Just food for thought.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Boggles the mind indeed. Especially after series after series of Bad throws from Leinart.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Dakota Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Geno smith is auto corrected to genocide!
Awesome!
$$$$$$$$$
LOL
Good morning Nation & Green Party.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:37 am
DA said yesterday that Pryor is not ready to be a back up qb? Well, either cut him loose or…well don’t know what to think!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:37 am
What’s up O?
December 24th, 2012 at 8:38 am
KC: Geno Smith
Jags: J Jones
Raiders: D Moore or Star lotulelie
December 24th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Dmac is a good example of why we are better off by building the lines with high round picks and picking up RB’s, WR’s, DB’s, LB’s with mid to lower round picks.
(You still typically get an elite QB in the first or second round.)
That is what we are going to starting with this year’s draft. It will continue with next years draft as well.
No accident Reggie’s first pick was an OLineman.
Reggie quote:
“Two things _ I want to win up front, and that’s on both sides of the ball, with the big boys, but also I want to somehow affect the quarterback position and that’s by with good coverage, and corners and a free safety that’s going to pick ‘em off, or with somebody hitting them upside the head. Pass rush.”
Old school football wins every time. Guys like Fitzgerald and Johnson are fun to watch but they do not necessarily help you build a winner.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Theres no reason for lienart to play ever.. bad coaches do stupid shìt.. worst staff in the league
December 24th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Hwnrdr,
Enjoying the rain and thinking about the draft.
Who do you like as our top 3-5 pick?
December 24th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Needs:
DE
CB
DT
LB
RT
OG/ C
Draft DE, DT, or CB in the 1st.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:42 am
I forgot to add TE, but I think we will resign Myers.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:42 am
477.hwnrdr Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Another funny thing about yetserday…did they really show a stat of Leinhert passing for 100+ yards and posted last time he threw for a 100…really?
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That… was… awesome! If I didn’t see it with my own yes I would have never believed it. 100 yards passing LMAO!! I will put money that stat has never been posted for any QB in the league EVER!!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Tp was better than liono in preseason. And he was better than liono yesterdat… we have eyes. Theres no excuse for this sabotage..
December 24th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Someone should tell DA that Leinart isn’t ready to be a back up.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Hope you guys have a great Christmas…maybe the Raiders will get a late Christmas miracle when Gruden returns home! I know it’s a long shot but Raider fans need some hope…false or not!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Giants and Steelers won multiple SBs with avg OL and without investing high picks in the OL.
Fact!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:44 am
people who want dmc gone really dont understand the game.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Fire DA & Knapp & Hoffman. That is all, merry christmas!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:46 am
The_Judge37 Says:
But i understand it’s important to take a look at Matt, who’s a cheaper option next year, just in case they missed something in his previous 7 years.
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Hah. But truth is, that’d be the fastest way to see Pryor play. As I posted back in pre season, Matt has had 3 season ending injuries in his last 8 starts.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Yes, the coaching staff has been terrible this year. The team is clearly unprepared to play.
Yes, moving to the ZBS was a mistake, particularly when McFadden failed under it his first two years.
But it remains true that McFadden has been awful this year. He doesn’t find holes. He doesn’t break tackles. He can’t manufacture any yards on his own. He looks to me like a guy who expects to fail.
Reese is not an NFL tailback but was able to move the chains because he runs hard.
After watching every one of his carries through his career, I can’t help questioning McFadden’s — for lack of a better term — mental toughness. He doesn’t adapt to a situation or find ways to succeed. Even if he comes back next year and has a good season, who can believe that he’ll hold up, mentally or physically, in big games? I just don’t have faith in a guy who is so willing to take 2 yards play after play after play.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:48 am
HOW DO YOU NOT PLAY PRYOR YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK, that is all, cheers!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:49 am
THE LINES R WHERE TO START IF U WANT TO WIN CONSISTANTLY IN THIS LEAGUE.IT TAKES TIME (DRAFTS-MORE THAN 1)PLUS PLAYING TIME TOGETHER.THEY R NOT “SEXY”PICKS, BUT THATS WHERE IT ALL STARTS..
December 24th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
people who want dmc gone really dont understand the game.
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Seems like Knapp wants DMC gone. Oh, I see what you’re saying.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Raider O Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Hwnrdr,
Enjoying the rain and thinking about the draft.
Who do you like as our top 3-5 pick?
Sorry, a bit biased…Manti Te’o!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:52 am
If they release/trade Pryor, Taiwan, Ausberry, I’ll be extremely angry.
I’d rather they release Allen and Knapp to keep those three instead.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Btw, this blog has never been angrier than after this game.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Carl Weathers Says:
100 yards passing LMAO!! I will put money that stat has never been posted for any QB in the league EVER!!
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Probably lose. Wasn’t that a big deal for Jamarcus?
December 24th, 2012 at 8:54 am
I know, here come the stats.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:58 am
GG Says:
Btw, this blog has never been angrier than after this game.
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And that was without Miss Tick!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:59 am
I BELIEVE WE R SEE’N THE EXACT PLAN THE ORGANISATION HAS FOR PRYOR.A SERIES OR 2 HERE AND THERE TO END THIS SEASON.NEXT YEARS TRAINING CAMP AND PRE-SEASON HE WILL PLAY HIM SELF IN OR OUT OF THE #2 QB POSITION.OR INTO ANOTHER POSITION IF THEY THINK THATS A POSSABILITY.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Hwnrdr,
He is a good player, but not a top 5 pick IMO. Top 10-15.
I’m not a fan of drafting LBs that high, I made an exception for McClain, and I regret that.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Well, I see there are still one or two posters here defending Smiling Titty Boy and advocating for his return in 2013.
That’s fine. I strongly disagree with them and think they’re being foolish and myopic – but I can almost understand some of the rationale behind their thought process.
What I’d like to know, is there a single poster left here that is advocating for Krapp’s return in 2013 ?
No, scratch that.
What I really want to know is there a single poster left here that is even ambivalent about the possibility of Krapp returning ?
I’ll accept that some were reluctant to ’scrap the Krapp’ during the season.
Well, that’s behind us now.
You got your wish.
Is there anyone left here that still doesn’t think that replacing Krapp should be the Raid first order of business upon completion of the 2012 debacle ?
Is there a single poster left here that still believes that the Raids can have offensive success with Krapp as OC ?
Speak up now, please.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:08 am
529.GG Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:52 am
If they release/trade Pryor, Taiwan, Ausberry, I’ll be extremely angry.
I’d rather they release Allen and Knapp to keep those three instead.
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I forgot about Taiwan! Three explosive players that don’t see the field, brilliant!
December 24th, 2012 at 9:09 am
“Probably lose. Wasn’t that a big deal for Jamarcus?”
JaFatA@@ didn’t do himself any favors, but let’s not forget that GREG KNAPP was his OC.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:09 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
All we can pray for is Palmer faking the injury…
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Looks pretty painful to me.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22250758/oakland-raiders-lose-carolina-panthers-17-6
December 24th, 2012 at 9:10 am
GG Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Btw, this blog has never been angrier than after this game.
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No doubt. Fire the coach, Fire the GM, fire the DC, fire the OC, fire the stadium staff, fire the stadium, fire the city, fire the hot dog guy, fire the…..
December 24th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Our defense is playing well.
Houston, Bryant, and Bilikudi are young guys to build around.
I think the Oline NEEDS this top 3 pick.
EastOak’s point last night of Okung shutting down Smith just makes too much sense. Move Barnes to OG with Bergstrom.
Rookie OT from A&M
Bergstrom
Wiz
Barnes
Veldheer
RB in rd 3
December 24th, 2012 at 9:11 am
zoneblocking sucks,Dennis Allen sucks,bottom lip sucks
December 24th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Pastor Napoleon @napoleonkaufman
Why y’all so mad at Knapp? Is he doing that bad?
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Truly a man of the cloth. Way more forgiving then am I.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:15 am
J,
You want to draft a RT with our top 5 pick?
December 24th, 2012 at 9:16 am
503.MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:22 am
All we can pray for is Palmer faking the injury so Pryor can get a start and Leinart catching a bad case of the squirts before the game against San Diego.
I’m sorry but I want a top 3 pick.
===================================================== You have no input guy. Playoffs remember?
December 24th, 2012 at 9:17 am
A couple more for the Gruden lovers
Pastor Napoleon Pastor Napoleon @napoleonkaufman
Why do y’all like Gruden so much? What team has he built?
Pastor Napoleon @napoleonkaufman
In all due respect AD built those teams I was on and coach Dungy built that Tampa team. In all due respect.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Veldheer is a pro bowl RT, imo.
Decent LT.
Rookie steps in at LT day 1.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Carl Weathers Says:
100 yards passing LMAO!! I will put money that stat has never been posted for any QB in the league EVER!!
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Dude… Knapp had 88 TOTAL yards vs Atl right before Cable started turning the team around in 2008.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Keep the hot dog guy, or trade for …
December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Not a single Krapp supporter ?
Charlie ?
Zymorge ?
Don’t care to extend the ‘continuity’ argument to Krapp ?
Good.
We’re making progress.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:19 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:05 am
I’m on the fence with DMAC but if he was to stay, I think it would be ideal for him to not be the featured back. Get DMAC to work on his wr skills and put him in plays where he could be a mismatch.
Limit his rushes per game and sign or draft a featured back that is a bruiser. I think doing this throughout the year and letting him loose if we were to reach the playoffs (one day) would be perfect.
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This. Talk of trading McFadden is foolish, because you will all be p!ssed when he goes to another team and balls out. Let’s not act like the majority of Raiders fans felt McFadden was up there with Adrian Peterson, just a year ago. Now Knapp comes and misuses all of our players, and people want to trade McFadden. Crazy. Here is an analogy. You can pick the best team in Madden, but if you don’t know how to play with that team, and you don’t actually have skills, it won’t matter. Greg Knapp has failed EVERYWHERE he has gone. FACT. He is not a skilled coordinator and does not know what to do with weapons. He does not call plays to utilize his best players strong points. All he does is go “by the book”. Sorry, people. I’m not up for trading McFadden over Knapp’s ineptitude.
Now, a good way to use McFadden would be how the Saints used Reggie Bush, when he was averaging 70-80 receptions a season. He wasn’t running much, but his 5-10 yard receptions were acting as the rushing attempts. It allowed him to get in space and pick up yards that way. And it was a big part of what made their offense successful in their Super Bowl season. That’s how I see us using D-Mac. I actually have a lot of visions for how we SHOULD be using our players, but that’s a whole other post. I just had to chime in, because the talk of trading one of our most explosive weapons is just getting ridiculous.
Trade McFadden over Knapp’s playcalling? Man, I know it’s been a rough season, but come on. I’ve seen BIG plays out of McFadden. That man has SERIOUS ability. Greg Knapp has NEVER been any good at calling a game. Sorry, I think I’ll give D-Mac the benefit of the doubt in this case, over Greg f#ckin Knapp.
Trade D-Mac? Yeah, I’m sure Bill Belichick would know JUST what to do with D-Mac.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:21 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Veldheer is a pro bowl RT, imo.
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Disagree.
Keep him at LT and rejoin Wiz with him. McF had 17 runs of 10 or more yards last year and 16 were to the left.
Veldheer and Wiz together were road graders…
December 24th, 2012 at 9:22 am
O,
I just think our offense needs the most help. Specifically, our Oline.
LT from A&M
Moore
Werner
I’m fine with any of those 3.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:24 am
The only positive to playing Matt Leinart is that i almost thought we were going to throw deep every time i saw him start to heave the ball. Too bad it was only for 15 yards but hey, it looked exciting at the begining of his throws.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Wiz is not moving back to LG.
DMac is not the same player after these foot injuries, man.
That ship has sailed.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:25 am
J Hill,
Filed your beating Carolina prediction in the Y2K and Mayan calendar folder.
Next up, dismantling Phyliss in the finale.
One down, one to go.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:26 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Wiz is not moving back to LG.
DMac is not the same player after these foot injuries, man.
>>>>>
We are all lucky to have a Raider executive posting here!
December 24th, 2012 at 9:29 am
546.Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:17 am
A couple more for the Gruden lovers
Pastor Napoleon Pastor Napoleon @napoleonkaufman
Why do y’all like Gruden so much? What team has he built?
Pastor Napoleon @napoleonkaufman
In all due respect AD built those teams I was on and coach Dungy built that Tampa team. In all due respect.
^^^^^^^^
Uhhh….because Gruden is a good coach maybe?
He would for sure bring more to the table than DA and this krappy coaching staff.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Watching Matt Leinart play reminds me that i haven’t seen a 20 yard Hail Mary from the Raiders since Jeff Garcia wore Silver & Black
December 24th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Well we did handle Kim rather easily, LOL.
I really have no words for our ineptness on offense. That series after Chekwa forced the fumble was comical. I guess Krapp rally believed a screen would work there, eh?
Sad part about this whole thing is it seems to STILL be getting worse.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:32 am
We are all lucky to have a Raider executive posting here!
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Yes, you are.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Sad part about this whole thing is it seems to STILL be getting worse.
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Hard to believe this is true even after the Cleveland game.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:33 am
How does Pyor get a 1st down POSITIVE play in the redone and then get pulled on 2nd down?
He doesn’t know how to hand the ball off?
December 24th, 2012 at 9:34 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:22 am
O,
I just think our offense needs the most help. Specifically, our Oline.
LT from A&M
Moore
Werner
I’m fine with any of those 3.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
That makes sense (moving Veldheer to RT IMO).
I rather draft Moore or Star.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:34 am
552.Gdog Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:21 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Veldheer is a pro bowl RT, imo.
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Disagree.
Keep him at LT and rejoin Wiz with him. McF had 17 runs of 10 or more yards last year and 16 were to the left.
Veldheer and Wiz together were road graders…
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Yep!
Agreed. Another stupid move by McK and DA and Knapp getting rid of Satele and not keeping Wiz at LG.
The unecessary restructuring of the offense from the past two seasons has proven to be a terrible mistake.
I knew it as soon as DA dared to hire that POS crap Knapp.
If DA stays…then Knapp better be fired next week!
December 24th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Gdog Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:21 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Veldheer is a pro bowl RT, imo.
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Disagree.
Keep him at LT and rejoin Wiz with him. McF had 17 runs of 10 or more yards last year and 16 were to the left.
Veldheer and Wiz together were road graders…
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Another huge mistake this staff made. This one falls on Frank Pollack. I swear this staff must have did ZERO evaluation of this team in 2011, and just decided that they were gonna force their way from day one, no matter what. The communication that Veldheer and Wiz picked up by the end of last season was phenomenal. They were killing the left side, and had everyone believing we were set there for the next 10 years. This staff comes in, switches everything around without seeing what was working, and the result is regression. It really hurts knowing what Pollack and Knapp did with this O-Line. Moving Cooper Carlisle from RG, where he has been solid as a rock for a decade, over to LG, where he had not played? Why? Bring in Briesel, with a huge contract, to take Carlisle’s spot, and he has been a MAJOR bust. The line coaching has been BEYOND horrendous, and I’m so surprised that more people on this blog havent spoken on it. We had amazing line teachers in Frank Wylie and Steve Wiz last season. Pollack and Knapp came in and just made a huge mess of things.
And Bergstrom damn near gets Palmer killed yesterday. He’s been a real treat all season, hasn’t he.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Knapp:
51 points in 4 games.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Bob Wylie.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:37 am
McK better do heavy research and background checks if he is going to draft Moore or Clowney ahead of Te’o
This Raider team does not need anymore head cases and does not need players who are just in it for the money.
Draft FOOTBALL players who really care about the game.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Moore is from Texas A&M, so I’m sure DA can get a lot of info about that kid.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:40 am
566.John David Booty Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Gdog Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:21 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Veldheer is a pro bowl RT, imo.
>>>>
Disagree.
Keep him at LT and rejoin Wiz with him. McF had 17 runs of 10 or more yards last year and 16 were to the left.
Veldheer and Wiz together were road graders…
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Another huge mistake this staff made. This one falls on Frank Pollack. I swear this staff must have did ZERO evaluation of this team in 2011, and just decided that they were gonna force their way from day one, no matter what. The communication that Veldheer and Wiz picked up by the end of last season was phenomenal. They were killing the left side, and had everyone believing we were set there for the next 10 years. This staff comes in, switches everything around without seeing what was working, and the result is regression. It really hurts knowing what Pollack and Knapp did with this O-Line. Moving Cooper Carlisle from RG, where he has been solid as a rock for a decade, over to LG, where he had not played? Why? Bring in Briesel, with a huge contract, to take Carlisle’s spot, and he has been a MAJOR bust. The line coaching has been BEYOND horrendous, and I’m so surprised that more people on this blog havent spoken on it. We had amazing line teachers in Frank Wylie and Steve Wiz last season. Pollack and Knapp came in and just made a huge mess of things.
And Bergstrom damn near gets Palmer killed yesterday. He’s been a real treat all season, hasn’t he.
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Yep!
More proof how Knapp and Pollack screwed everything up from the development and continuity of the past two seasons.
Then again…DA should have never hired Knapp and changed offensive systems in the first place.
A huge mistake by him!
Then again….McK should have never hired DA to replace Hue either.
Dumb rookie mistakes all the way around
December 24th, 2012 at 9:40 am
We all know where our real weak link is – Knapp, his scheme & his play calling. Some people are just not cut out to play football. Knapp is our Tebow!
December 24th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Stcking with what I’ve been saying. Take Star and pair him with Desmond Bryant for the next few years. Tell me that’s not a monster. Star and Bryant as your 4-3 DT’s. Star as the NT in 3-4 looks. It’s a no-lose pick to me. I’ve been real excited at the prospect of seeing these 2 play together.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Napolean doesn’t get it.
Ok, Al built those rosters, but Gruden coached them very well.
So, Reggie apparently would be building the roster, and so Gruden would be coaching them very well.
Anyway, the bottom line is if Allen is not involved in the offense, and letting an OC completely run it, then we need an innovative ballsy aggressive OC.
No way can Knapp return. If he doesn’t get fired immediately after week 17, I’ll lose heart.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:42 am
1- DE D Moore or NT/ DT Star Lotulelie
December 24th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:17 am
A couple more for the Gruden lovers
Pastor Napoleon Pastor Napoleon @napoleonkaufman
Why do y’all like Gruden so much? What team has he built?
Pastor Napoleon @napoleonkaufman
In all due respect AD built those teams I was on and coach Dungy built that Tampa team. In all due respect.
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Ouch
December 24th, 2012 at 9:43 am
JB Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:40 am
We all know where our real weak link is – Knapp, his scheme & his play calling. Some people are just not cut out to play football. Knapp is our Tebow!
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Tebow at least won Games. Knapp came in and destroyed a perfectly good offense without warrant, he’s is our Josh McDaniels.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:46 am
I’m not saying Wiz wasn’t a great player at LG. Wiz is a better player than Satele no matter what position we are talking about. That’s what you get with great players. Satele was a FA. He went elsewhere. His choice.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:46 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:43 am
JB Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:40 am
We all know where our real weak link is – Knapp, his scheme & his play calling. Some people are just not cut out to play football. Knapp is our Tebow!
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Tebow at least won Games. Knapp came in and destroyed a perfectly good offense without warrant, he’s is our Josh McDaniels.
$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
I like Josh McDaniels. We should hire him as our next OC.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:47 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:46 am
I’m not saying Wiz wasn’t a great player at LG. Wiz is a better player than Satele no matter what position we are talking about. That’s what you get with great players. Satele was a FA. He went elsewhere. His choice.
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Losing Satele was the beginning of the downfall for the O-line. He was more important to the squad than people realize.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:48 am
It would be so hilarious and enlightening if NFL Films could compile a bunch of sideline chatter from every one of the DCs and HCs that the 2012 Raiders played this year. All the stuff they say in regards to Knapp, his crappy play-calling, personnel packages, etc.
It would make the perfect anti-resume for why NEVER to hire Knapp. We could only pray that Knapp ends up the OC of one our divisional rivals next season.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:48 am
So, can we talk about our brilliant HC, Dennis Allen, and his clock management? 5:30 minutes to go. All 3 timeouts remaining, plus the 2:00 minute warning. Down 14-6, in FG range, but decides to go for it on 4th and 4.
We can see from the couch that this is the wrong move, 100 times out of 100.
And THIS is our Head Coach. Embarrassing.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:48 am
John David Booty Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:19 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:05 am
I’m on the fence with DMAC but if he was to stay, I think it would be ideal for him to not be the featured back. Get DMAC to work on his wr skills and put him in plays where he could be a mismatch.
Limit his rushes per game and sign or draft a featured back that is a bruiser. I think doing this throughout the year and letting him loose if we were to reach the playoffs (one day) would be perfect.
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This. Talk of trading McFadden is foolish, because you will all be p!ssed when he goes to another team and balls out. Let’s not act like the majority of Raiders fans felt McFadden was up there with Adrian Peterson, just a year ago. Now Knapp comes and misuses all of our players, and people want to trade McFadden. Crazy. Here is an analogy. You can pick the best team in Madden, but if you don’t know how to play with that team, and you don’t actually have skills, it won’t matter. Greg Knapp has failed EVERYWHERE he has gone. FACT. He is not a skilled coordinator and does not know what to do with weapons. He does not call plays to utilize his best players strong points. All he does is go “by the book”. Sorry, people. I’m not up for trading McFadden over Knapp’s ineptitude.
Now, a good way to use McFadden would be how the Saints used Reggie Bush, when he was averaging 70-80 receptions a season. He wasn’t running much, but his 5-10 yard receptions were acting as the rushing attempts. It allowed him to get in space and pick up yards that way. And it was a big part of what made their offense successful in their Super Bowl season. That’s how I see us using D-Mac. I actually have a lot of visions for how we SHOULD be using our players, but that’s a whole other post. I just had to chime in, because the talk of trading one of our most explosive weapons is just getting ridiculous.
Trade McFadden over Knapp’s playcalling? Man, I know it’s been a rough season, but come on. I’ve seen BIG plays out of McFadden. That man has SERIOUS ability. Greg Knapp has NEVER been any good at calling a game. Sorry, I think I’ll give D-Mac the benefit of the doubt in this case, over Greg f#ckin Knapp.
Trade D-Mac? Yeah, I’m sure Bill Belichick would know JUST what to do with D-Mac.
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Exactly. Trade away our most explosive player because Knapp came in and destroyed our offense? The logic is completely flawed.
I would take a 1st rounder for Mcfadden because of his injuries, but to just get rid of him for a 3rd or worse would be an awful idea.
Knapp has completely destroyed this offense. At no point in the last two years did we question the talent on offense.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:48 am
John David Booty Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Stcking with what I’ve been saying. Take Star and pair him with Desmond Bryant for the next few years. Tell me that’s not a monster. Star and Bryant as your 4-3 DT’s. Star as the NT in 3-4 looks. It’s a no-lose pick to me. I’ve been real excited at the prospect of seeing these 2 play together.
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IMO, Star should be the pick. Bryant & Star would definitely stuff the middle and be the force we are looking for. star’s ability to play 4-3 or 3-4 is BIG!
December 24th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Another huge mistake this staff made. This one falls on Frank Pollack. I swear this staff must have did ZERO evaluation of this team in 2011, and just decided that they were gonna force their way from day one, no matter what. The communication that Veldheer and Wiz picked up by the end of last season was phenomenal. They were killing the left side, and had everyone believing we were set there for the next 10 years.
>>>>>
Better than that.. they were reminding me of Upshaw/Shell the way they were mowing the entire left side down.
Wiz CONTINUES to look lost at center. I’ve seen plays where he had a choice to block one of two people and he just stood there instead. They BOTH ran right by him…
December 24th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Palmer’s injury was sustained on a third-and-1 play while rolling to his right to pass. Subsequent third-and-1 plays resulted in a 4-yard loss on a pitch to Darren McFadden….
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The aforementioned 3rd and 1 pitch to DMAC might have been the worst designed play in the history of football.
Watch the replay of that beauty again, if you can stand it.
If that wasn’t a miscommunication, where some players lined up incorrectly, or something got confused – then that is the worst play call and worst designed play I have ever seen in football – at any level.
Pathetic incompetence.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:50 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:46 am
I’m not saying Wiz wasn’t a great player at LG. Wiz is a better player than Satele no matter what position we are talking about. That’s what you get with great players. Satele was a FA. He went elsewhere. His choice.
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Reggie made no attempt to retain him. I’d much rather have paid Satele instead of bringing in Mike Brisiel. Satele only got 3 years, 11 mil from Colts. We had that. Just another mistake by this regime. They are piling up at a rapid pace.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Touchdown drought: The Raiders haven’t scored a touchdown since Week 14 against Denver. The Raiders have seven field goals in the past two games. It is tied for the longest touchdown drought in the NFL.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Wow, we end up right back at Hue?
Ok, I’ll play.
Satele was a FA and Carlisle was CUT this offseason
McKenzie was not about to spend money he didn’t have on Satele. Satele wasn’t taking less to come back.
What magical OL cats could McKenzie have pulled out of his hat to play C and RG with Hue and Wylie still here?
December 24th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Even tho Tarver needs to adjust better and be more unpredictable, I’ve been watching him on the sidelines (whenever the camera pans to him) and he’s always far more animated and active with his players in a Raiders-way, he has some spunk. He could make a good HC one day.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:52 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Palmer’s injury was sustained on a third-and-1 play while rolling to his right to pass. Subsequent third-and-1 plays resulted in a 4-yard loss on a pitch to Darren McFadden….
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The aforementioned 3rd and 1 pitch to DMAC might have been the worst designed play in the history of football.
Watch the replay of that beauty again, if you can stand it.
If that wasn’t a miscommunication, where some players lined up incorrectly, or something got confused – then that is the worst play call and worst designed play I have ever seen in football – at any level.
Pathetic incompetence.
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Greg Knapp only has 4 running plays in his offense:
Stretch Left, Stretch right
Short Yardage: Toss left, toss right
December 24th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Bring in Tebow, I know all the Christian haters and black QB lovers would be very angry. We have a horrible team all around. We could build around him. The Raider receivers can’t catch anyways, so make them into downfield blockers and play action short pass receivers. The line brought back to power OL. Tebow, McFadden and maybe bring in hillis for power. Wildcat, play action, power offense. It would be cheap and would get this team turned around. “Tebow returns to donkey stadium, wearing the diver and black”. Really bring back the old rivalry.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:54 am
McKenzie was not about to spend money he didn’t have on Satele. Satele wasn’t taking less to come back.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
What are you talking about J?
We can’t afford Satele but we can afford to give 4/$20 million to Brisiel? How does that make any sense to you?
December 24th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Keep Allen and Tarver. Fire Knapp. Make some decent personnel adjustments through draft and free agency.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:54 am
GG Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Even tho Tarver needs to adjust better and be more unpredictable, I’ve been watching him on the sidelines (whenever the camera pans to him) and he’s always far more animated and active with his players in a Raiders-way, he has some spunk. He could make a good HC one day.
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Let’s not start with that.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Raider O Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:54 am
McKenzie was not about to spend money he didn’t have on Satele. Satele wasn’t taking less to come back.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
What are you talking about J?
We can’t afford Satele but we can afford to give 4/$20 million to Brisiel? How does that make any sense to you?
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BooM-Sha-ka-La-Ka
December 24th, 2012 at 9:56 am
J,
LT: Veldheer
LG: Wiz
C: Satele (cheaper than Brisiel)
RG: Savage (not asking him to switch positions at the end of his career)
RT: Barnes
26 to rookie can compete with Barnes or Savage
December 24th, 2012 at 9:57 am
26 yo* rookie….
December 24th, 2012 at 9:58 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Palmer’s injury was sustained on a third-and-1 play while rolling to his right to pass. Subsequent third-and-1 plays resulted in a 4-yard loss on a pitch to Darren McFadden….
===========================================
The aforementioned 3rd and 1 pitch to DMAC might have been the worst designed play in the history of football.
Watch the replay of that beauty again, if you can stand it.
If that wasn’t a miscommunication, where some players lined up incorrectly, or something got confused – then that is the worst play call and worst designed play I have ever seen in football – at any level.
Pathetic incompetence.
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Yes, very bad football. And D-Mac was met with 3 Panther defenders before he could blink. Yet some in here act like he should have been able to outrun those players, or jump over them, or somethin. I see that everything is perception and perspective. And I know that everyone sees things differently, based on their own knowledge and experiences. Saying that to say that for people that know football, it’s easy to see that this is a very poorly coached team. It’s just bad.
DA and Knapp need to “pass the sticks”, because they can’t play this game. We need better shot callers.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Stcking with what I’ve been saying. Take Star and pair him with Desmond Bryant for the next few years. Tell me that’s not a monster. Star and Bryant as your 4-3 DT’s. Star as the NT in 3-4 looks. It’s a no-lose pick to me. I’ve been real excited at the prospect of seeing these 2 play together.
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With Houston at LDE?
Yeah that would be nice.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:58 am
BooM-Sha-ka-La-Ka
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
One of my favorite games.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Raider O Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:56 am
J,
LT: Veldheer
LG: Wiz
C: Satele (cheaper than Brisiel)
RG: Savage (not asking him to switch positions at the end of his career)
RT: Barnes
26 to rookie can compete with Barnes or Savage
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Exactly, man.
And you’re not even being paid to GM. There’s no excuses for why these guys shouldnt have seen these things. Yet, we’re supposed to have blind faith that these guys are going to get the job done. Not looking so good, so far. That’s all we can say.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Tarver would probably be better than Allen as a HC. Especially in an offensive way.
Often, HC’s with a DC/defensive background make for aggressive innovative offensive minded HC’s. Because they know how to deconstruct a defense, what causes a defense problem.
Allen is devoid of that, and doesn’t contribute to the offense, seems to just want to be the field general looking over things.
Tarver the mad-scientist, enjoying the X&O of things more, and getting more involved in the offense, probably see more personnel packages, more utilization of unused playmakers, be more aggressive as a play-caller.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:03 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Stcking with what I’ve been saying. Take Star and pair him with Desmond Bryant for the next few years. Tell me that’s not a monster. Star and Bryant as your 4-3 DT’s. Star as the NT in 3-4 looks. It’s a no-lose pick to me. I’ve been real excited at the prospect of seeing these 2 play together.
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With Houston at LDE?
Yeah that would be nice.
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Just rotate him with the DT’s. Gotta keep those fat boys fresh anyways.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Not saying he’s ready, just advocating one day he’d probably make a good one.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Have you idiots figured it out yet? are you ready to fire this lame duck staff yet?? Good lord….
December 24th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Cmon, O
Briesel was a one year signing. Have you seen the way that contract was structured. Briesel isn’t getting any $ this season wand will be cut this offseason before that contract kicks in.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:05 am
GG Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Not saying he’s ready, just advocating one day he’d probably make a good one.
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As far as i’ve seen, dudes not even ready to be a DC
December 24th, 2012 at 10:05 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Stcking with what I’ve been saying. Take Star and pair him with Desmond Bryant for the next few years. Tell me that’s not a monster. Star and Bryant as your 4-3 DT’s. Star as the NT in 3-4 looks. It’s a no-lose pick to me. I’ve been real excited at the prospect of seeing these 2 play together.
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With Houston at LDE?
Yeah that would be nice.
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Sheer nastiness. My goodness.
Then say we were able to move up to the 2nd round and get a DE/OLB like Corey Lemonier from Auburn. This D could definitely be turned around over in a season. Just depends on what the guys calling the shots decide. Lot of options. The direction of our team as a whole is going to come into picture this offseason. I’m excited to see what’s gonna happen, but I have to be honest, I’m not exactly optimistic. Hopefully, I’m proven wrong.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:06 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Cmon, O
Briesel was a one year signing. Have you seen the way that contract was structured. Briesel isn’t getting any $ this season wand will be cut this offseason before that contract kicks in.
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Not like Satele was comming off a Pro Bowl year himself. He could’ve been a much better one year signing.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Marks hair Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Have you idiots figured it out yet? are you ready to fire this lame duck staff yet?? Good lord….
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Are you not entertained!!!!!!!
December 24th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:04 am
The football IQ drops dangerously low on this blog immediately after a loss.
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That’s a rather astute statement! Sadly, after the last several years, the losses have caused permanent IQ loss. So much that people in here look up to Pryor’s intellectual prowress.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:09 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Cmon, O
Briesel was a one year signing. Have you seen the way that contract was structured. Briesel isn’t getting any $ this season wand will be cut this offseason before that contract kicks in.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So he was cheaper than Satele?
December 24th, 2012 at 10:10 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Cmon, O
Briesel was a one year signing. Have you seen the way that contract was structured. Briesel isn’t getting any $ this season wand will be cut this offseason before that contract kicks in.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Exactly.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:10 am
580.morilla Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:47 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:46 am
I’m not saying Wiz wasn’t a great player at LG. Wiz is a better player than Satele no matter what position we are talking about. That’s what you get with great players. Satele was a FA. He went elsewhere. His choice.
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Losing Satele was the beginning of the downfall for the O-line. He was more important to the squad than people realize.
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Yep!
December 24th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Is the we beat kc circle jerk over yet?
December 24th, 2012 at 10:11 am
C: Satele (cheaper than Brisiel)
RG: Savage (not asking him to switch positions at the end of his career)
RT: Barnes
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PUKE!!!!!
How many more QBs do you want literally knocked out of the game?
We have a couple of years of blog archives detailing the WEAKNESS of that Oline from C-RT. ESPECIALLY Satele and Carlisle next to each other.
C and RG were priority upgrades last offseason, imo. Briesel has certainly been a bust, and moving Carlisle to LG is beyond hilarious to me.
RG, LG, and OT are major needs this offseason, imo.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:11 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:46 am
I’m not saying Wiz wasn’t a great player at LG. Wiz is a better player than Satele no matter what position we are talking about. That’s what you get with great players. Satele was a FA. He went elsewhere. His choice.
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McK didn’t even try and sign him.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:12 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:06 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Cmon, O
Briesel was a one year signing. Have you seen the way that contract was structured. Briesel isn’t getting any $ this season wand will be cut this offseason before that contract kicks in.
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Not like Satele was comming off a Pro Bowl year himself. He could’ve been a much better one year signing.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Exactly.
Ignore my prev post please.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:14 am
We didnt need the top pick anyway.. strive for those meaningless wins da! Weeee!!
December 24th, 2012 at 10:14 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:11 am
C: Satele (cheaper than Brisiel)
RG: Savage (not asking him to switch positions at the end of his career)
RT: Barnes
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PUKE!!!!!
How many more QBs do you want literally knocked out of the game?
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Well Matt Leinart to start.
But Can’t be worse than what we have currently. At they know where the rush is coming from
December 24th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Sheer nastiness. My goodness.
Then say we were able to move up to the 2nd round and get a DE/OLB like Corey Lemonier from Auburn. This D could definitely be turned around over in a season.
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Defense is playing well already. This would be exciting to watch, NO DOUBT. I’ve been waiting for this type of D for YEARS.
With that said, I’m taking the LT from A&M if he’s available.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:16 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Sheer nastiness. My goodness.
Then say we were able to move up to the 2nd round and get a DE/OLB like Corey Lemonier from Auburn. This D could definitely be turned around over in a season.
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Defense is playing well already. This would be exciting to watch, NO DOUBT. I’ve been waiting for this type of D for YEARS.
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No they’re not.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Even riff hates these coaches now.. although he says he was still right to defend them all yr.. titty monkey or krapp must be his dad i guess…
December 24th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Wiz, Veldheer, and the rookie from A&M as the YOUNG core of our Oline is just as exciting to me as that Dline, John.
Can we really lose either way?
Even if we “lose out” on Star and the LT, Werner and Moore are ballers too.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Well Matt Leinart to start.
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LOL
December 24th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Well, guys….my time is up here…
Going home to relax before the family Christmas Party tonight!
You all have a Merry Christmas!!!
December 24th, 2012 at 10:20 am
The raiders have employed the first black, Hispanic, and female head coaches in league history….
December 24th, 2012 at 10:20 am
still some stupid fvcks in here…blind as a bat.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Nice call on 4th down tits.. dipshìt…
December 24th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Hwnrdr Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Well, guys….my time is up here…
Going home to relax before the family Christmas Party tonight!
You all have a Merry Christmas!!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Merry Christmas sir.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Merry Christmas Errrbody
December 24th, 2012 at 10:24 am
I bought da a new sports bra for xmas
December 24th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Not since Chad Pennington have i seen a QB put some much effort into throwing a ball 15 yards like Leinart was yesterday.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:25 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Sheer nastiness. My goodness.
Then say we were able to move up to the 2nd round and get a DE/OLB like Corey Lemonier from Auburn. This D could definitely be turned around over in a season.
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Defense is playing well already. This would be exciting to watch, NO DOUBT. I’ve been waiting for this type of D for YEARS.
With that said, I’m taking the LT from A&M if he’s available.
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Joeckel is a hell of a player, so I would be stupid to be upset if we drafted him. And it would instantly upgrade us at RT if we had a reason or way to send Veldheer there. I would not be upset if that were the pick. However, if Frank Pollack is back as O-line coach next season, its almost gonna be a wasted pick for one year, cause that guy is not gonna get the best out of the line. It just is what it is. But I like Joeckel a lot.
Just the prospect of seeing Star in the middle of the D with Bryant has had me sold for a minute now, and I don’t know what’s really gonna move me from that position.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:25 am
No way can Knapp return. If he doesn’t get fired immediately after week 17, I’ll lose heart.
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I think we all feel the same way.
There aren’t any Krapp supporters left.
None that I know of at least.
There were a few Krapp supporters that tried to give him a pass by claiming the posters here were incapable of evaluating the worthiness of Krapp’s scheme or design.
Then there are the posters that claimed Krapp was not to blame – it’s all about personnel, execution, etc.
There were poters here that refused to acknowledge that Krapp wasn’t using the roster effectively or putting players in the best position to succeed or maximizing production.
They’ve pretty much been silenced now.
How can they defend Krapp and the staggering ineptitude ?
They can’t.
Think about this:
A TOTAL of THREE points on opening drives the ENTIRE season.
Firing Krapp immediately is an absolute necessity.
If Tits doesn’t do so, he has to be canned as well.
This level of incompetence can not be permitted to continue.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Marks Hair Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:20 am
The raiders have employed the first black, Hispanic, and female head coaches in league history….
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO bro.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:26 am
How about this guy for OC? Resume looks as good, if not better than Knapps.
In (2003), He was hired by Mike Tice as an Offensive Quality Control coach/QB’s Minnesota Vikings.(64.0% 4169yds).(2004)(68.8% 4754yds). In (2005) He was promoted by the Minnesota Vikings to Assistant QB coach.(63.3%/ 3449yds).
Scott Linehan hired Him to St. Louis Rams in (2006) as Quality Control coach/RB’s. (1805 yds, 4.3 yds per attempt)
Who is this undiscovered gem?
Randy Hanson!
December 24th, 2012 at 10:27 am
There obviously people in here with short memories. Last year’s O-line had it’s problem, especially on the right side. Satele & Carlisle were a turnstile. ORT tackle was barely serviceable. We really needed a new center, ORG & ORT. Satele was no prize at center. He really was a weak link. As it stand right now we still need a center, ORG & ORT. Move Wiz 2.0 back to OLG and let’s bring in so FA’s. Carlisle can play back-up or just retire. Brisel is simply a wasted signing & Barnes is Barnes. Enough said. We also need to get rid of Knapp’s buddy Pollard and ring Bob Whylie back, maybe Wiz 1.0 too if he’s willing.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:27 am
604.The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:03 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Stcking with what I’ve been saying. Take Star and pair him with Desmond Bryant for the next few years. Tell me that’s not a monster. Star and Bryant as your 4-3 DT’s. Star as the NT in 3-4 looks. It’s a no-lose pick to me. I’ve been real excited at the prospect of seeing these 2 play together.
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With Houston at LDE?
Yeah that would be nice.
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Just rotate him with the DT’s. Gotta keep those fat boys fresh anyways.
^^^^^^^^
I think playing Houston as a LDE in the 4-3 is a waste.
However, playing him as a LDE in the 3-4 would be ideal.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Enjoy the only bowlgame tonite.. fresno st vs smu in hawaii..
December 24th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Bringing Wylie and Wiz would be a great move, but the chances of it happening is not very good unfortunately.
Ugh
December 24th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Bring Norv Turner back as OC. He’ll be available shortly. Actually, RM should be able to job offer him after next week’s game when he’s fired. We’ll be first in line.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:30 am
The_Judge37 Says:
Not since Chad Pennington have i seen a QB put some much effort into throwing a ball 15 yards like Leinart was yesterday.
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Leinart, 16 for 31 for 115 yards. And, boy are his arms tired.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:31 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Wiz, Veldheer, and the rookie from A&M as the YOUNG core of our Oline is just as exciting to me as that Dline, John.
Can we really lose either way?
Even if we “lose out” on Star and the LT, Werner and Moore are ballers too.
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This we can agree on. I think with where we stand, we are in position to get ONE of any really amazing prospects. If everything goes smoothly, we should definitely walk away from the 1st round with a big time player, be it Star, Jones, Werner, Moore, Joeckel. Even Teo, who I think would be a little of a reach for us, would still be a nice player to “end up with”. Barkevious Mingo. Actually, this is one of the deepest defensive drafts Ive seen in a minute. This so-called new and improved scouting department is gonna be out to the test this draft, and Im excited to see what happens.
Worst case scenario, Reggie trades down, we DON’T end up with one of the top tier prospects, and he blows whatever 1st round pick he has. This would be unforgivable. Reggie has been off to a bad start. This draft will be a chance for him to redeem himself. Let’s GO!
That
December 24th, 2012 at 10:31 am
John David Booty Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Gdog Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:21 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Veldheer is a pro bowl RT, imo.
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Disagree.
Keep him at LT and rejoin Wiz with him. McF had 17 runs of 10 or more yards last year and 16 were to the left.
Veldheer and Wiz together were road graders…
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Another huge mistake this staff made. This one falls on Frank Pollack. I swear this staff must have did ZERO evaluation of this team in 2011, and just decided that they were gonna force their way from day one, no matter what. The communication that Veldheer and Wiz picked up by the end of last season was phenomenal. They were killing the left side, and had everyone believing we were set there for the next 10 years. This staff comes in, switches everything around without seeing what was working, and the result is regression. It really hurts knowing what Pollack and Knapp did with this O-Line. Moving Cooper Carlisle from RG, where he has been solid as a rock for a decade, over to LG, where he had not played? Why? Bring in Briesel, with a huge contract, to take Carlisle’s spot, and he has been a MAJOR bust. The line coaching has been BEYOND horrendous, and I’m so surprised that more people on this blog havent spoken on it. We had amazing line teachers in Frank Wylie and Steve Wiz last season. Pollack and Knapp came in and just made a huge mess of things.
And Bergstrom damn near gets Palmer killed yesterday. He’s been a real treat all season, hasn’t he.
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You’re correct Booty.
I’ve been saying this since Knap got here and so have others.
Satele is just an average center but we had a servicable line with him as center and Wiz at LG working really well with Veldheer at LT.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:26 am
How about this guy for OC? Resume looks as good, if not better than Knapps.
In (2007) he was hired by Lane Kiffin to coach QB’s, more specifically, Jamarcus Russell
In (2009) He was hired by Eric Mangini to tutor QB Mark Sanchez
Out of the NFL from 2010-11
In (2012) Was rehired by Dennis Allen whose had an entire offseason and 14 games to get Terrelle Pryor “Not even Close to Ready”
Who is this well discovered Gem?
John DeFilippo
December 24th, 2012 at 10:33 am
636.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:25 am
No way can Knapp return. If he doesn’t get fired immediately after week 17, I’ll lose heart.
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I think we all feel the same way.
There aren’t any Krapp supporters left.
None that I know of at least.
There were a few Krapp supporters that tried to give him a pass by claiming the posters here were incapable of evaluating the worthiness of Krapp’s scheme or design.
Then there are the posters that claimed Krapp was not to blame – it’s all about personnel, execution, etc.
There were poters here that refused to acknowledge that Krapp wasn’t using the roster effectively or putting players in the best position to succeed or maximizing production.
They’ve pretty much been silenced now.
How can they defend Krapp and the staggering ineptitude ?
They can’t.
Think about this:
A TOTAL of THREE points on opening drives the ENTIRE season.
Firing Krapp immediately is an absolute necessity.
If Tits doesn’t do so, he has to be canned as well.
This level of incompetence can not be permitted to continue.
^^^^^^^^
Even the minority of DA supporters realize Knapp is crap!
December 24th, 2012 at 10:33 am
I can throw farther than liono with my off arm.. not playing tp is a slap in ALs face…
December 24th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Marks Hair Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Enjoy the only bowlgame tonite.. fresno st vs smu in hawaii..
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This should actually be a decent game.
Check out the Safety from Fresno State, Phillip Thomas. That man is a ball hawk. If he has a good game, watch his draft stock rise. He can play.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:34 am
645.John David Booty Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:31 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Wiz, Veldheer, and the rookie from A&M as the YOUNG core of our Oline is just as exciting to me as that Dline, John.
Can we really lose either way?
Even if we “lose out” on Star and the LT, Werner and Moore are ballers too.
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This we can agree on. I think with where we stand, we are in position to get ONE of any really amazing prospects. If everything goes smoothly, we should definitely walk away from the 1st round with a big time player, be it Star, Jones, Werner, Moore, Joeckel. Even Teo, who I think would be a little of a reach for us, would still be a nice player to “end up with”. Barkevious Mingo. Actually, this is one of the deepest defensive drafts Ive seen in a minute. This so-called new and improved scouting department is gonna be out to the test this draft, and Im excited to see what happens.
Worst case scenario, Reggie trades down, we DON’T end up with one of the top tier prospects, and he blows whatever 1st round pick he has. This would be unforgivable. Reggie has been off to a bad start. This draft will be a chance for him to redeem himself. Let’s GO!
That
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No drafting a LT with that top 4 pick!
It comes down to Te’o, Moore, Star or Werner.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:34 am
636.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:25 am
No way can Knapp return. If he doesn’t get fired immediately after week 17, I’ll lose heart.
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No you won’t 99. You’ll keep coming back and hoping for the best.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:36 am
630.Marks hair Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Nice call on 4th down tits.. dipshìt…
^^^^^^^^^^
DA gets a pass, while a better head coach like in Hue Jackson gets fired?
What a joke!
December 24th, 2012 at 10:37 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:34 am
636.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:25 am
No way can Knapp return. If he doesn’t get fired immediately after week 17, I’ll lose heart.
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No you won’t 99. You’ll keep coming back and hoping for the best.
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I don’t know how literal he’s being, but the feeling is mutual. I’ll still watch and pray, but i definetly won’t attend any games or purcahse any new merchanidse if these mistakes are not corrected in the Offseason.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:38 am
639.JB Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:27 am
There obviously people in here with short memories. Last year’s O-line had it’s problem, especially on the right side. Satele & Carlisle were a turnstile. ORT tackle was barely serviceable. We really needed a new center, ORG & ORT. Satele was no prize at center. He really was a weak link. As it stand right now we still need a center, ORG & ORT. Move Wiz 2.0 back to OLG and let’s bring in so FA’s. Carlisle can play back-up or just retire. Brisel is simply a wasted signing & Barnes is Barnes. Enough said. We also need to get rid of Knapp’s buddy Pollard and ring Bob Whylie back, maybe Wiz 1.0 too if he’s willing.
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We still had a better system and nice continuity though and we had a nice RUNNING GAME!
All of that went down the toilet this year!
December 24th, 2012 at 10:41 am
The Raiders longest play of the game was a misdirection.
So they never ran another one.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Pryor is our best quarterback.
Reece is our best running back.
So we don’t play them.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:44 am
I am tired of these coaches thinking that execution is the reason for losing or not getting a first down. 1. Coach to your talent’s strengths – McFadden is a power runner not a cut and run zone block type. You do not need a great runner for zone blocking. 2. The Defense, although playing better, is still horrible. 3. The coaches do not use explosive young talent i.e. Jones and Ausberry. 4. Move Wisenewski back to guard and Parsons to Center. Power Left like last year. 5. Allen, you must not allow the refs to continue to walk all over you.. the cinci game they did it, and in Carolina they did it. Go out confront them and continue to confront the league until you get change, yes you will be fined and suspended but as Mr. King said you must fight unjust laws– I am also tired of hearing how the GM and the coaches are turning things around, What ? They have better players on offense this year and they have a losing record– A real coach would have had this team in the playoffs — They all should be fired!!!! Pay whatever Gruden wants – he would have had this team in the playoffs.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:44 am
My comments on a portion of:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22254044/oakland-raiders-grading-week-16-loss-carolina-panthers
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“Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp had to adjust quickly when Carson Palmer was knocked out of the game”. Why? We were told that the reason Leinart was picked as backup QB was the fact that he knew this offense so well due to his time at the Texans where Knapp was an assistant. Could it be that the real weak link is Knapp? Obviously, he’s the one who doesn’t know how to run an offense. How much longer do we have to tolerate his incompetence? He says “be patient”. I say “screw you”. “Patience my ass”. It seems as though the major part of the free world understands that Knapp IS the main problem. His scheme sucks and so does he. He couldn’t call a good game to save his Ass. Some people are just not cut out to play football and he’s our Tebow. Hopefully, Dennis Allen will wake up and get rid of this weak link. He’s singlehandedly destroyed what was once a half way decent offense. We the fans, will no longer tolerate his association with the Raiders. I personally will show my dissatisfaction with Knapp’s scheme & involvement by NOT renewing my season tickets. That’s the least I can do to protest Knapp. He wasn’t worth a damn when he was here before. His return has caused that much more regression. He MUST be released – a polite way of saying FIRED!
December 24th, 2012 at 10:44 am
The_Judge37 . So we keep Defilippo as QB coach, hire Randy Hanson as OC, bring back Cable as HC, and demote Allen to DC with a demoted Tarver as ass’t DC. That should be less disfunctional than this years staff.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:44 am
I think playing Houston as a LDE in the 4-3 is a waste.
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Why?
December 24th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Kirk Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Pryor is our best quarterback.
Reece is our best running back.
So we don’t play them.
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They both got way to close to scoring for Knapp’s liking to ever be seen again.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:44 am
The_Judge37 . So we keep Defilippo as QB coach, hire Randy Hanson as OC, bring back Cable as HC, and demote Allen to DC with a demoted Tarver as ass’t DC. That should be less disfunctional than this years staff.
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Keep DeFilippo at QB coach? Did you see his resume? He’s almost a worse rehire than Knapp.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:48 am
I want phillp thomas.. Watch how he plays off and baits the quarterback to throw the ball his way.. He takes great angles and has catch up speed that turns passes into pick sixes..tim macdonalds best pupil.. the kids a difference maker. A unanimous all pro out of the Mountain West 1 of only 3 ever.. brian urlacher was the most recent..
December 24th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Worst case scenario, Reggie trades down, we DON’T end up with one of the top tier prospects, and he blows whatever 1st round pick he has. This would be unforgivable.
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Agreed!
December 24th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Jerry McDonald@Jerrymcd
O-line locks_Wiz, Veldheer, Bergstrom; RBs_Reece; WRs_Streater, Criner; DL_Houston; LBs_Burris; DBs_Branch, Huff
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I like what I see from Burriss so far.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Or trade down and get OLB/DE Dion Jordan while adding another pick.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Jerry McDonald@Jerrymcd
Only handful of no-doubt-about-it locks to be back on Raiders roster _ I think Palmer stays, some I respect think it’s not a sure thing
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Say what? Who are those “some” you respect Jerry and who would you replace Palmer with?
December 24th, 2012 at 10:52 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Jerry McDonald@Jerrymcd
Only handful of no-doubt-about-it locks to be back on Raiders roster _ I think Palmer stays, some I respect think it’s not a sure thing
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Say what? Who are those “some” you respect Jerry and who would you replace Palmer with?
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You saw his economical replacement last night. And Matt not being able to throw beyond 20 yards fits You know who’s offense perfectly.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:53 am
They both got way to close to scoring for Knapp’s liking to ever be seen again.
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LOL
December 24th, 2012 at 10:53 am
If were gonna stick with these coaches it wont matter who the qb is.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:54 am
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:53 am
They both got way to close to scoring for Knapp’s liking to ever be seen again.
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LOL
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I can already see Knapp now when they got back to the Sidelines, “Whoa guys, take it easy, baby steps”
December 24th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Dink dunk dink dink dunk… lionos a perfect fit.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:57 am
JB Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:27 am
There obviously people in here with short memories. Last year’s O-line had it’s problem, especially on the right side. Satele & Carlisle were a turnstile. ORT tackle was barely serviceable. We really needed a new center, ORG & ORT. Satele was no prize at center. He really was a weak link. As it stand right now we still need a center, ORG & ORT. Move Wiz 2.0 back to OLG and let’s bring in so FA’s. Carlisle can play back-up or just retire. Brisel is simply a wasted signing & Barnes is Barnes. Enough said. We also need to get rid of Knapp’s buddy Pollard and ring Bob Whylie back, maybe Wiz 1.0 too if he’s willing.
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I respectfully disagree with some of this.
Satele actually started looking really solid by the second half of last season. I commented on that fact here and many agreed. In hindsight, it’s easier to remember his poor start as representing his whole season. If I recall, he was injured through a lot of preseason and then seemed to be slow picking up the center reads and audibles, and that looked like it impacted his blocking. Once he got more comfortable on the calls it looked like he was able to focus more on his own assignements. Of course his success in Indy now shows that he doesn’t have a talent problem.
Carlisle I agree was horrid i nthe power blocking scheme. He is to powerful guards as Leinart is to strong armed quarterbacks. While he’s no world beater, he looks less exposed back in the ZBS on this year’s team, where he’s not getting visibly beat several times a game.
Briesel hasn’t been as bad in my eyes as most make him out here. He defintely hasn’t been good either, but for the most part just not very visible. I think part of his value that we don’t see was helping the team adapt to the scheme. And let’s not forget the handicap that he has: he’s sandwiched between a center that is playing out of position and having to learn the system and a RT that is the weakest player on the line. It’s hard to not look bad in that situation!
I agree that Barnes is just Barnes. On the other hand, Smith sure makes Barnes look better! If anything, Barnes seems more comfortable in the new scheme and has had way fewer false starts and holding calls against him.
In the end, I don’t think this is a horrible line and is bordering on decency. The sacks are very low considering how often the team passes. The running game has sucked, but really only when DMac is behind the line. Every other RB on the roster has looked better with their carries, but DMac gets such a high percentage it makes it hard to fairly judge the line play.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Funny how Moore DHB, for example – al picks – are not locks, but anything Reggie does is a lock.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:00 am
DA couldnt have looked any worse this yr if he sprouted a little pink vaginà and immediately started his period.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Marks hair Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Dink duck dink dink duck… lionos a perfect fit.
*there, i fixed it for you
December 24th, 2012 at 11:02 am
2012-2013 raider slogan.. blame it on al ..
December 24th, 2012 at 11:02 am
The_Judge37 Says:
Keep DeFilippo at QB coach? Did you see his resume? He’s almost a worse rehire than Knapp.
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With Cable as HC and Randy Hanson as OC? C’mon Lester, do I have to put a wink wink in here?
December 24th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Not playing Pryor shows the new regime motives,they rather lose than play an al Davis player scared he might do good.I bet Pryor can average more than 3 yards a catch and not give up on a 4th down play.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:02 am
The_Judge37 Says:
Keep DeFilippo at QB coach? Did you see his resume? He’s almost a worse rehire than Knapp.
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With Cable as HC and Randy Hanson as OC? C’mon Lester, do I have to put a wink wink in here?
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Sorry, i think the Keep DeFilippo just threw me into a rage
December 24th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Marks hair Says:
DA couldnt have looked any worse this yr if he sprouted a little pink vaginà and immediately started his period.
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I’ve seen vaginàs that looked a lot worse than little pink ones.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:06 am
All good, Judge.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:06 am
I have said this since the year started just because you were around winners doesn’t make you a winner,look at weis,crennel,and pioli.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:09 am
The myans predicted reggie da and krapp.. god i want to suffocate those retards with twinkes..
December 24th, 2012 at 11:10 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:52 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Jerry McDonald@Jerrymcd
Only handful of no-doubt-about-it locks to be back on Raiders roster _ I think Palmer stays, some I respect think it’s not a sure thing
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Say what? Who are those “some” you respect Jerry and who would you replace Palmer with?
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You saw his economical replacement last night. And Matt not being able to throw beyond 20 yards fits You know who’s offense perfectly.
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Replace Palmer with Leinart? Just because he fits with Knapp’s scheme?!
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! Pass the Haig ‘n’ Haig or the nearest Scotch.
I’d rather see Snake call it in from Alabama.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:10 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:34 am
636.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:25 am
No way can Knapp return. If he doesn’t get fired immediately after week 17, I’ll lose heart.
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No you won’t 99. You’ll keep coming back and hoping for the best.
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Actually, the ‘losing heart’ comment wasn’t mine. The response below it was.
You’re right that I’ll keep coming back. Heck, I’ll even hope for the best.
I love football and I’m a Raider fan.
But I’m not delusional, and a Krapp return tells me this franchise isn’t serious about improving, or is simply too clueless to be worthy of having a significant emotional investment in.
Sure, I’ll be around offering opinion, critiquing, commending, evaluating and prognosticating.
I’ll always root for the Raids.
But I can’t fully support this team as long as Krappy is around.
Just can’t do it.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:13 am
664.Marks hair Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:48 am
I want phillp thomas.. Watch how he plays off and baits the quarterback to throw the ball his way.. He takes great angles and has catch up speed that turns passes into pick sixes..tim macdonalds best pupil.. the kids a difference maker. A unanimous all pro out of the Mountain West 1 of only 3 ever.. brian urlacher was the most recent..
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I like Thomas as well, would be a solid pick in Round 3, but I can see his stock going up and he being a 2nd rounder.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Marks hair Says:
DA couldnt have looked any worse this yr if he sprouted a little pink vaginà and immediately started his period.
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I’ve seen vaginàs that looked a lot worse than little pink ones.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:15 am
686.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:10 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:52 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Jerry McDonald@Jerrymcd
Only handful of no-doubt-about-it locks to be back on Raiders roster _ I think Palmer stays, some I respect think it’s not a sure thing
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Say what? Who are those “some” you respect Jerry and who would you replace Palmer with?
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You saw his economical replacement last night. And Matt not being able to throw beyond 20 yards fits You know who’s offense perfectly.
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Replace Palmer with Leinart? Just because he fits with Knapp’s scheme?!
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! Pass the Haig ‘n’ Haig or the nearest Scotch.
I’d rather see Snake call it in from Alabama.
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Yep!
Replacing Palmer with Lyinheart because he would be more of a “system” fit would be the one of the dumbest moves ever by McK, DA and Knapp.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Marks hair Says:
DA couldnt have looked any worse this yr if he sprouted a little pink vaginà and immediately started his period.
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I’ve seen vaginàs that looked a lot worse than little pink ones.
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LOL.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Replace Palmer with Leinart? Just because he fits with Knapp’s scheme?!
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! Pass the Haig ‘n’ Haig or the nearest Scotch.
I’d rather see Snake call it in from Alabama.
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Unfortunatly that’s the way things are looking.
And it’s more like a Jug of Kessler than Haig n Haig scotch.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Merry Christmas Nation.
Time to get the presents wrapped,
Go Raiders!
December 24th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Jason Campbell couldn’t play QB looking over his shoulder at the Bruce. Or so someone said once. Then it started getting parroted here, there and everywhere until it was commonly accepted as truth. Problem was, there was no truth to it. He played as well as he was capable of as #1, #2, off the bench, starting or with Bruce or Frye as back up.
Same thing with this “Al Davis players” BS. When I see Veld, Wiz, DMC, Bryant, Houston and the like get benched in favor of ‘Reggies guys’ I’ll consider it. Until then, think for yourself, don’t be a parrot, and try to come up with a legitamite reason your favorite player isn’t seeing significant playing time.
I’ll get off the soapbox now. Merry Xmas!
December 24th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Though I believe the Oline is the heart of the team, I believe our fastest road to repectability is to build the Dline in 2013.
Our first pick as a DT is long over due and gets a bit of mileage out of Kelly’s remaining contract since the new guy will hopefully require some double teams.
A stud DE in round three would be great if we get lucky.
Keep Carter for depth at a modest price and we may have something.
This strategy is all predicated on Bergstrom repalcing Carlisle and that again is not gauranteed.
This is and has been my concern for quite a while too many holes and two few high picks for the first two years of this regime.
Raider O points out that the Giants/Steelers have built their Oline with low round picks.
The Giants drafted 8 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the past decade.
What is misleading is when you go back a bit further you find:
STRAHAN #1
PETITGOUT #1
GRAGG #2
The Giants had the good fortune of getting unusual longevity out of VERY HIGH DRAFT PICKS. AS A RESULT THEY HAD A CORE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO FOCUS ON SKILL GUYS WITH HIGH PICKS BECAUSE THEY HAD BUILT THE CORE OF THEIR LINES IN THE LATE 90’S.
The Steelers drafted 12 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the last decade.
BY CONTRAST THE RAIDERS DRAFTED 7 IN THE BOX TYPE PLAYERS WITH HIGH ROUND PICKS. THEY ALSO TRADED AWAY THREE OF THEIR 20 HIGH ROUND PICKS DURING THAT TIME. MOST WERE ALL AVERAGE TO POOR PICKS. BRAYTON,HOWARD,GALLERY,GROVE,McCLAIN. WE CAN BE GENEROUS AND SAY THAT HOUSTON AND WIZ II WERE SUCCESSFUL.
THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS THAT SUCCESSFUL WINNING FRANCHISES BUILD THE CORE OF THEIR LINES WITH FIRST AND SECOND ROUND PICKS. IF THEY MISS THEY KEEP DOING IT TILL THEY GET IT RIGHT.
THAT IS WHAT THE RAIDERS USED TO DO AND THEY GOT AWAY FROM IT FOR THE LAST DECADE.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:33 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Replace Palmer with Leinart? Just because he fits with Knapp’s scheme?!
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! Pass the Haig ‘n’ Haig or the nearest Scotch.
I’d rather see Snake call it in from Alabama.
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Unfortunatly that’s the way things are looking.
And it’s more like a Jug of Kessler than Haig n Haig scotch.
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If you live in California, Trader Joe’s sells Henninger Beer out of Frankfurt.
Very reasonable price too.
That beer and I have spent some good times especially when I served in Deutschland.
Merry Christmas!
December 24th, 2012 at 11:43 am
695.Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Though I believe the Oline is the heart of the team, I believe our fastest road to repectability is to build the Dline in 2013.
Our first pick as a DT is long over due and gets a bit of mileage out of Kelly’s remaining contract since the new guy will hopefully require some double teams.
A stud DE in round three would be great if we get lucky.
Keep Carter for depth at a modest price and we may have something.
This strategy is all predicated on Bergstrom repalcing Carlisle and that again is not gauranteed.
This is and has been my concern for quite a while too many holes and two few high picks for the first two years of this regime.
Raider O points out that the Giants/Steelers have built their Oline with low round picks.
The Giants drafted 8 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the past decade.
What is misleading is when you go back a bit further you find:
STRAHAN #1
PETITGOUT #1
GRAGG #2
The Giants had the good fortune of getting unusual longevity out of VERY HIGH DRAFT PICKS. AS A RESULT THEY HAD A CORE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO FOCUS ON SKILL GUYS WITH HIGH PICKS BECAUSE THEY HAD BUILT THE CORE OF THEIR LINES IN THE LATE 90’S.
The Steelers drafted 12 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the last decade.
BY CONTRAST THE RAIDERS DRAFTED 7 IN THE BOX TYPE PLAYERS WITH HIGH ROUND PICKS. THEY ALSO TRADED AWAY THREE OF THEIR 20 HIGH ROUND PICKS DURING THAT TIME. MOST WERE ALL AVERAGE TO POOR PICKS. BRAYTON,HOWARD,GALLERY,GROVE,McCLAIN. WE CAN BE GENEROUS AND SAY THAT HOUSTON AND WIZ II WERE SUCCESSFUL.
THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS THAT SUCCESSFUL WINNING FRANCHISES BUILD THE CORE OF THEIR LINES WITH FIRST AND SECOND ROUND PICKS. IF THEY MISS THEY KEEP DOING IT TILL THEY GET IT RIGHT.
THAT IS WHAT THE RAIDERS USED TO DO AND THEY GOT AWAY FROM IT FOR THE LAST DECADE.
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Build the DLine, LB’s and secondary.
Get a better coaching staff as well, that knows how to be a head coach and utlize players strengths.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:49 am
More and more it appears that what may be the quickest road to respectability is a true franchise..potentially (if not already) ELITE QB AND receivers who are on the same page and can catch the ball. These receivers don’t have to be big names, but need to CATCH THE BALL. Too often we blow it off when DHB drop a clutch 3rd down, or Streator drops one, or Myers…or Moore as if “We’ll get em next time..overall he’s doing good”, but those key drops end drives that could turn a game around.
Guys say “well, overall DHB hasn’t dropped as many as he used to…he’s ok”, but that 3rd down play in Cincy would have kept the drive going and if we score there it could have been a different result.
My point is, those drops we tend to shrug off as “part of the game” are CRITICAL.
It is RARE that u see any GB receivers drop the ball. It just doesn’t happen, and if it does it’s more of a fluke than anything.
How many have we seen DMoore drop this yr.? Myers? Shoot Myers dropped a critical TD that doinked off and was picked and he is in the top 15 of most drops in the league. You just cannot have that stuff.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
FIRE T1T5 AND THE KLAPP!