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Raiders notes vs. Panthers

On Carolina’s first touchdown, a 23-yard pass from Cam Newton to Steve Smith, left tackle Byron Bell appeared to be holding Raiders defensive end Lamarr Houston.

No flag was thrown.

Much later, when Darren McFadden ran into the end zone from 3 yards out, Stefen Wisniewski was called for holding against a Carolina interior defender, erasing the touchdown.

“I kind of got tripped up,’’ Wisniewski said. “I gave ‘em kind of a final tug before he was going to get off the block. Sometimes they call that; sometimes they don’t. I have to see it on tape to know for sure. But it really stinks when it’s on a touchdown. It really hurts.’’

The two plays helped determine the final outcome in a 17-6 win by the Panthers, but there were head-scratchers galore from the officiating crew on both sides.

On third-and-10 from the Carolina 20-yard line, Tommy Kelly contributed on an apparent sack of Cam Newton. Newton kicked Kelly as they untangled, with Kelly getting a retaliatory foul for unnecessary roughness and a Panthers first down.

“He kicked me and and I aint’ fixing to take that off nobody,’’ Kelly said. “What are you going to do when someone kicks you? You going to take it? Nah.’’

Coach Dennis Allen, although he said he wasn’t exactly sure what happened on the play, wasn’t so sure.

“We’re trying to change the cultre and whatwe have to understand is we have to keep our composure in those types of situations because nothing good comes out of it,’’ Allen said.

Kelly conceded afterward the Raiders were going after Newton with gusto after Carson Palmer was knocked out of the game on a roughing the passer penalty from Greg Hardy, but not in an illegal sense.

“You take our guy out, we’re going to take your guy out,’’ Kelly said.“We’re not out to hurt someone, but when that happens . . .’’

Later in the same drive, Miles Burris appeared to deliver a clean hit to break up a pass to tight end Greg Olson. He got called for hitting a defenseless receiver, just as Carolina linebacker Luke Kuechly did against Darrius Heyward-Bey.

“I’m not the one who makes the calls here,’’ Burris said. “I thought it was pretty clean and I’m going to go out there and continue to play football as hard as I can,’’ Burris said.

Carolina coach Ron Rivera and Allen were both venting their frustrations with officials.

“They have to do the best job they can to protect the players and that’s really where we are right now.’’

Newton was called for unsportsmanlike conduct after making contact with an official after being ridden to the ground by Mike Mitchell, but was not ejected.

Referee Joe Boger told a pool reporter he “missspoke’’ when saying over the loudspeaker that Newton was being penalized for contact. He said Newton was instead penalized for “disrespectfully addressing an official’’ and that the contact “was not of a malicious nature.’’

Newton issued a public apology after the game.

– Palmer’s injury was sustained on a third-and-1 play while rolling to his right to pass. Subsequent third-and-1 plays resulted in a 4-yard loss on a pitch to Darren McFadden and a 2-yard loss on a swing pass from Matt Leinart to Marcel Reece.

Asked if he would have liked to have seen a more straight-ahead approach in short-yardage, Allen said, “ I would like to see us get the first down and that’s what we’ve got to do better at. Up until last week, we were one of the leading teams on third-and-1 . . . we got stopped a couple of times and we’ve got to do better there.’’

– The Raiders longest offensive play of the day was a 22-yard reception by Terrelle Pryor, who took shotgun snap from center, threw wide to Carson Palmer and then caught a return throw on a screen.

– Punter Shane Lechler pinned the Panthers inside the 20-yard line four times.

– A bit of trickery on a punt reverse from Phillip Adams to Mike Mitchell went for just two yards.

– Strong safety Tyvon Branch (foot) and Adams (groin) did not finish the game with injuries.

– Defensive end Dave Tollefson was inactive for the first time this season, with rookie Jack Crawford getting spot duty on the defensive line.

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  • MiamiRaider78

    Will we be flipping coins again for draft positions?

    You know the opposing team will get the call and emailed ahead of time that the coin will be tails on both sides.

    lol

  • Dakota

    Geno smith is auto corrected to genocide!

    Awesome!

  • Just Fire Baby

    No to Joeckel, LT is not a major need.

    If we go O-line, should be an interior guy, which could hopefully be a trade down scenario.

    I think it comes down to the Moore guy (A & M connection with our HC), Te’O or Star.

  • big pep

    The only change I really want is knapp to be FIRED YESTERDAY, that said I can handle D.A. For another season. As far as players go, get rid of Kelly,Romac,Dmac, Seygarbage.

  • MiamiRaider78

    Dakota Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 7:39 am
    Geno smith is auto corrected to genocide!

    Awesome!
    ______

    I was wondering, wtf is he up to this morning. lol

    453

    All for that whole scenario. Thats the only way we should go.

  • MiamiRaider78

    I assure you guys Knapp will be gone next year. Retaining his ‘services’ is the equal to this coaching staff that everything is ok and it’s only the players fault.

    He’s not coming back. We all understand our defense needs players but on offense, it’s been a joke of playcalling.

  • Raiderbuck

    Quite frankly this coaching staffs talent evaluation skills are completely suspect.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I would laugh if KC goes Geno #1 overall.

    Not that I don’t think Smith could play in the leauge, he is deadly accurate 25 yards and in, and his game reminds me a lot of Matt Ryan’s.

    But he is NOT a top-flight QB prospect like the ones we have seen over the past few years, to be going #1 overall.

    Has some bust potential to him.

  • The_Judge37

    I haven’t been this dissapointed since the Cleveland game.

  • The_Judge37

    Raiderbuck Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 7:46 am
    Quite frankly this coaching staffs talent evaluation skills are completely suspect.
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    ^THIS^

  • Just Fire Baby

    McFadden has to be sent packing as well.

    His runs are very uninspiring. You watch Lynch run last night, and he is dragging defenders, punishing people, the first defender almost never brings him down and is extremely consistant.

    You have no idea what McNinny gives you year to year. He runs away from contact, doesn’t fall forward, and looks to go sideways, way too often. He rarely breaks tackles these days.

    I think Lis Franc effectively ended his run as a #1 RB in the NFL. It just ain’t there anymore.

  • Dakota

    We all know how this story goes, if we are left drafting the ot then the dt will be the next Alan page, and if we are left with the dt, then the ot will turn out to be the next Orlando pace.

    Why do we bother even paying attention?

  • Just Fire Baby

    I think Knapp will be gone next season as well, and that will be the big “purge” from the staff.

    However, I would expect we bring in another ZBS guy as OC. Someone from the Packers staff probably.

  • MiamiRaider78

    I want Ken Norton Jr as our D.Cord. He gots those LB’ers playing ball.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Why do we bother even paying attention?

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    Are you crazy?

    The draft is our Super Bowl!!!!!

  • RaiderfanNY

    It really doesn’t matter in light of how bad the whole team is, but…I can’t help wondering why Knapp/Allen keep force-feeding the ball to McFadden. The guy has had an unbelievably bad season. He never slips a tackler, never finds a hole on his own.

    When Reese played tailback, we had a running game. The guy averaged almost 5 yards a carry. He manufactured yards like a real NFL back.

    Goodson has been effective when he’s carried the ball. And even Jeremy Stewart was able to consistently ground out yards.

    McFadden, despite his amazing talents, has no confidence and has seemingly forgotten how to run the ball. And the problem is not ONLY the ZBS, because Reese was able to run behind it just fine. McFadden has to go. We need a lead back who wants to gain yards every play, not a guy who is content to run into the first tackler he sees.

    The line will also play better if they know their lead back will find every crack and get through them. It has to be very discouraging to the linemen that McFadden can never find a hole.

  • RaiderSam

    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    December 23rd, 2012 at 10:28 pm
    It was nice seeing Mike Mitchell Blitz the Fccck out of Scam Newton and take him down.. then Mitchell got up and point at Scam hahaha

    BTW did anyone here Desmond Bryant go all psycho beast mode at Cam in the 3rd quartrer? He couldnt be blocked and was screaming at Cam b4 the play started haha. Was going crazy even after that sack .. Kelly was getting into a fight with cam and Bryant didnt even notice.. was just all fired up.

    Was awesome

    ====================

    Great scene…they went beast mode, and they got to Cam. I think the Panther-Raiders got a little chippy in years past, too. Steve SMith was right in the middle of it, too. That guy never backs down.

  • RaiderSam

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 7:50 am
    McFadden has to be sent packing as well.

    His runs are very uninspiring. You watch Lynch run last night, and he is dragging defenders, punishing people, the first defender almost never brings him down and is extremely consistant.

    You have no idea what McNinny gives you year to year. He runs away from contact, doesn’t fall forward, and looks to go sideways, way too often. He rarely breaks tackles these days.

    I think Lis Franc effectively ended his run as a #1 RB in the NFL. It just ain’t there anymore.

    ==========

    I saw that Jet, Bronco and Jaguar game where he ran wild.

    Not convinced just yet. I think the kid still got it and is used ineffectively by Knapp.

  • The_Judge37

    In a season where this bungling coaching staff has been a complete debacle, it’s hard to fault any player for lack of production. This is not on McFadden or DHB. This staff has proven on a weekly basis that they do not know what the fk they are doing.

  • Dakota

    What is the upside of getting rid of McFadden? I don’t know his 2013 cap number. You are not going to get anything in a trade for him, so no upside there.

    Why not keep him on the roster, but have a legit backup plan in the form of a draft pick or free agent signing?

    Maybe a full offseason can heal up his foot and bring back his explosiveness?

    Personally, I would not give up on ford, Moore, dhb, Palmer or McFadden until we see them with a legit offensive coordinator next season.

    If we keep knapp and the current oline coach, then we might as well trade anyone with talent and just punt on first down every time, because we ate more likely to score on a fumbled punt return than we are running knapp’s offense.

  • MiamiRaider78

    We need to play on a field where the end zone is located on the sidelines.

  • The_Judge37

    I saw that Jet, Bronco and Jaguar game where he ran wild.

    Not convinced just yet. I think the kid still got it and is used ineffectively by Knapp.
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    Exactly, who has been used effectivly this year? It’s the coaches

  • raiderlization

    Im done no more support for wennie arm QB’s and a bullsyht Fossil QB! No Change No Season tickes! This was stupid and a waist of a Roster spot with Lienert He is a weaker arm Sanchez! Might as well get noodle arm Smith from S.F. if you are never gonna let Pryor play! Looks like my days as a Raiders fan are numbered!Asmuch as I cry support them they sit and lie to us about future plans! Weill play pryor why not prepare Pryor or get rid of Knapp period. The only reason he wasn’t ready is you didin’t prepare him! Winning against the Chargers is a Moot subject we don’t need to evaluate anything but the players listed if he can’t help we need to get another group of QB’s all of them must go!

  • RaiderSam

    Carl Weathers Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 6:07 am
    Tommy Kelly can kick rocks with Allen. Did you see newtons “kick”? Anyone retaliating from that is as weak as Allen looks. Pvssy.

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    Kelly knocked Blaine Gabbert out of the game and probably helped us to beat Jacksonville. He has his good games…much more effective with Seymour next to him. I dont think he’s a lost cause…just loses it at times.

  • The_Judge37

    Dakota Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 7:58 am
    What is the upside of getting rid of McFadden? I don’t know his 2013 cap number. You are not going to get anything in a trade for him, so no upside there.

    Why not keep him on the roster, but have a legit backup plan in the form of a draft pick or free agent signing?

    Maybe a full offseason can heal up his foot and bring back his explosiveness?

    Personally, I would not give up on ford, Moore, dhb, Palmer or McFadden until we see them with a legit offensive coordinator next season.

    If we keep knapp and the current oline coach, then we might as well trade anyone with talent and just punt on first down every time, because we ate more likely to score on a fumbled punt return than we are running knapp’s offense.
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    It’s just the people who refuse to acknowledge the poor coaching that want DMC gone. They’d realize the foolishness in their opinion if we had to go into next season with Goodson and Stewart as the starting RB’s.

  • raiderlization

    sorry about spelling but im mad! We are so sorry in the red zone it should be called the DRY Zone or the Dead Zone!

  • hwnrdr

    Another funny thing about yetserday…did they really show a stat of Leinhert passing for 100+ yards and posted last time he threw for a 100…really?

  • Just Fire Baby

    I saw that Jet, Bronco and Jaguar game where he ran wild.

    *************************

    By the time next season starts, that will almost be 3 years prior and pre Lis Franc.

    He is not the same player, and it isn’t just on running plays.

    He caught a swing pass yesterday, and could have turned it upfield for more yards, or who knows maybe break a tackle (crazy I know).

    Instead he goes straight to the sidelines and actually gets a negative YAC on the play.

  • RaiderSam

    Dakota Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 7:58 am
    What is the upside of getting rid of McFadden? I don’t know his 2013 cap number. You are not going to get anything in a trade for him, so no upside there.

    Why not keep him on the roster, but have a legit backup plan in the form of a draft pick or free agent signing?

    Maybe a full offseason can heal up his foot and bring back his explosiveness?

    Personally, I would not give up on ford, Moore, dhb, Palmer or McFadden until we see them with a legit offensive coordinator next season.

    If we keep knapp and the current oline coach, then we might as well trade anyone with talent and just punt on first down every time, because we ate more likely to score on a fumbled punt return than we are running knapp’s offense.

    ===============

    Precisely.

    have a plan in play to get Stepfan Williams of Stanford, Christine Michael of Texas A&M or Montee Ball. Lets get some production to replace people instead of blowin up the team and not having any talent to replace what we lose.

    There really is no addition by subtraction of talented , yet misused players. But DMC’s injuries are beginning to frustrate the Nation…believe me, I understand it.

  • RaiderSam

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 8:03 am
    I saw that Jet, Bronco and Jaguar game where he ran wild.

    *************************

    By the time next season starts, that will almost be 3 years prior and pre Lis Franc.

    He is not the same player, and it isn’t just on running plays.

    He caught a swing pass yesterday, and could have turned it upfield for more yards, or who knows maybe break a tackle (crazy I know).

    Instead he goes straight to the sidelines and actually gets a negative YAC on the play

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    Reluctantly, i agree.

  • hwnrdr

    raiderlization Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 8:00 am
    Im done no more support for wennie arm QB’s and a bullsyht Fossil QB! No Change No Season tickes! This was stupid and a waist of a Roster spot with Lienert He is a weaker arm Sanchez! Might as well get noodle arm Smith from S.F. if you are never gonna let Pryor play! Looks like my days as a Raiders fan are numbered!Asmuch as I cry support them they sit and lie to us about future plans! Weill play pryor why not prepare Pryor or get rid of Knapp period. The only reason he wasn’t ready is you didin’t prepare him! Winning against the Chargers is a Moot subject we don’t need to evaluate anything but the players listed if he can’t help we need to get another group of QB’s all of them must go!

    I agree and understand your frustration, but…really? Giving up your fan card?

  • Charlie

    The football IQ drops dangerously low on this blog immediately after a loss.

    Good morning to the the more insightful.

    I offer a perspective to those who continue to argue that last year’s team was really a solid 8-8 team one win away from the promised land.
    I like Carson as a QB, but if we just went with Bollar last year do you think we finish 8-8? Injuries are part of the game. We mortagaged quite a bit of our future to eke out 8-8. Further we got blasted down the stretch by good teams and our offense was not much better than today DOWN THE STRETCH.

    I understand why we made the deal but giving up 3 of your top four picks in the next two years of drafts makes it very difficult to rebuild.

  • MiamiRaider78

    I’m on the fence with DMAC but if he was to stay, I think it would be ideal for him to not be the featured back. Get DMAC to work on his wr skills and put him in plays where he could be a mismatch.

    Limit his rushes per game and sign or draft a featured back that is a bruiser. I think doing this throughout the year and letting him loose if we were to reach the playoffs (one day) would be perfect.

  • raiderlization

    Moore is gun shy, Ford was hurt and knew it but wanted to wait until re-injury to get the problem fixed. they are KR and PR not #1 or 2 wrs. Dmac is tradable as well as anyone else on O.

  • raiderlization

    we need Offensive picks!

  • Just Fire Baby

    They’d realize the foolishness in their opinion if we had to go into next season with Goodson and Stewart as the starting RB’s.

    ************************

    I don’t think anyone is advocating that, but we need an upgrade at RB.

    McFadden has been outplayed this season by the people behind him, there is no debating this.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    Woj Says: I watched about 10 minutes of that dribble.
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    Which makes the rest of you observationsalso dribble.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    Good Morning Raider Nation!!! It’s a beautiful day to be a Raider fan, isn’t it?

  • The_Judge37

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 8:06 am
    They’d realize the foolishness in their opinion if we had to go into next season with Goodson and Stewart as the starting RB’s.

    ************************

    I don’t think anyone is advocating that, but we need an upgrade at RB.

    McFadden has been outplayed this season by the people behind him, there is no debating thi
    ———

    This entire team is under performing. This coaching staff doesn’t have anyone playing well and that can’t be denied.

  • MiamiRaider78

    Good Morning Mr.P! =D

  • Dakota

    After the 2010 and 2011 seasons under hue very few of us would want to dump the skill guys on our offense. Dhb was coming around, McFadden was getting 5.5 yards per carry, Moore looked like a draft day steal….now knapp has destroyed it all and you people want to dump them?

    I say sign a legit #1 wr and a young rb that can carry the load, but keep our young players and see if a REAL offensive coordinator can being those once promising players back into play.

    It is worth keeping them around. Don’t let knapp’s failure ruin our view On our young guys.

  • The_Judge37

    And not that I didn’t enjoy Matt Leinart’s 20 yard Hail Mary’s, but when the longest play of the day involves Terrelle Pryor, then you should probably play him more.

  • r8eray

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 7:34 am
    Hate to say it, but 4-12 or 5-11 HAS BEEN Raider football over the last decade.

    We have been 5-11 or worse, 8 of the last 10 years with this season.

    We may just become the Oakland Supersonics.

    Great stories of yesteryear…….but no current team.

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    Or the Oakland Warriors who lose to sorry @$$ teams like the Lakers!

  • The_Judge37

    Dakota Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 8:13 am
    After the 2010 and 2011 seasons under hue very few of us would want to dump the skill guys on our offense. Dhb was coming around, McFadden was getting 5.5 yards per carry, Moore looked like a draft day steal….now knapp has destroyed it all and you people want to dump them?
    ——–

    Well when you put it like that… But, but,….continuity :(

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    Knapp’s already insipid and unimaginative play calling degenerated into an almost unwatchable parody of itself yesterday.

  • Dakota

    Damn phone, I am out.

    Merry Christmas! (or happy holidays to you godless liberals)

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    The_Judge37 Says:
    And not that I didn’t enjoy Matt Leinart’s 20 yard Hail Mary’s, but when the longest play of the day involves Terrelle Pryor, then you should probably play him more.
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    Question is, as what?

  • The_Judge37

    Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 8:15 am
    Knapp’s already insipid and unimaginative play calling degenerated into an almost unwatchable parody of itself yesterday.
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    I’ve already become numb to our Dirt Knapp offense. What i couldn’t stand was to watch Duck after Duck from Matt Leinart while this staff stubbornly refuses to play Pryor. But i understand it’s important to take a look at Matt, who’s a cheaper option next year, just in case they missed something in his previous 7 years.

  • MiamiRaider78

    The only 2 concerns i’ve had with DMAC was how he would adapt to the zone blocking scheme and his injuries.

    Other than that, I know he’s more than a handful when used correctly, which under Knapp has been a total failure.

  • The_Judge37

    Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 8:16 am
    The_Judge37 Says:
    And not that I didn’t enjoy Matt Leinart’s 20 yard Hail Mary’s, but when the longest play of the day involves Terrelle Pryor, then you should probably play him more.
    ======================================================

    Question is, as what?
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    Can’t be worse than Lame Duck Leinart