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Raiders notes vs. Panthers

On Carolina’s first touchdown, a 23-yard pass from Cam Newton to Steve Smith, left tackle Byron Bell appeared to be holding Raiders defensive end Lamarr Houston.

No flag was thrown.

Much later, when Darren McFadden ran into the end zone from 3 yards out, Stefen Wisniewski was called for holding against a Carolina interior defender, erasing the touchdown.

“I kind of got tripped up,’’ Wisniewski said. “I gave ‘em kind of a final tug before he was going to get off the block. Sometimes they call that; sometimes they don’t. I have to see it on tape to know for sure. But it really stinks when it’s on a touchdown. It really hurts.’’

The two plays helped determine the final outcome in a 17-6 win by the Panthers, but there were head-scratchers galore from the officiating crew on both sides.

On third-and-10 from the Carolina 20-yard line, Tommy Kelly contributed on an apparent sack of Cam Newton. Newton kicked Kelly as they untangled, with Kelly getting a retaliatory foul for unnecessary roughness and a Panthers first down.

“He kicked me and and I aint’ fixing to take that off nobody,’’ Kelly said. “What are you going to do when someone kicks you? You going to take it? Nah.’’

Coach Dennis Allen, although he said he wasn’t exactly sure what happened on the play, wasn’t so sure.

“We’re trying to change the cultre and whatwe have to understand is we have to keep our composure in those types of situations because nothing good comes out of it,’’ Allen said.

Kelly conceded afterward the Raiders were going after Newton with gusto after Carson Palmer was knocked out of the game on a roughing the passer penalty from Greg Hardy, but not in an illegal sense.

“You take our guy out, we’re going to take your guy out,’’ Kelly said.“We’re not out to hurt someone, but when that happens . . .’’

Later in the same drive, Miles Burris appeared to deliver a clean hit to break up a pass to tight end Greg Olson. He got called for hitting a defenseless receiver, just as Carolina linebacker Luke Kuechly did against Darrius Heyward-Bey.

“I’m not the one who makes the calls here,’’ Burris said. “I thought it was pretty clean and I’m going to go out there and continue to play football as hard as I can,’’ Burris said.

Carolina coach Ron Rivera and Allen were both venting their frustrations with officials.

“They have to do the best job they can to protect the players and that’s really where we are right now.’’

Newton was called for unsportsmanlike conduct after making contact with an official after being ridden to the ground by Mike Mitchell, but was not ejected.

Referee Joe Boger told a pool reporter he “missspoke’’ when saying over the loudspeaker that Newton was being penalized for contact. He said Newton was instead penalized for “disrespectfully addressing an official’’ and that the contact “was not of a malicious nature.’’

Newton issued a public apology after the game.

– Palmer’s injury was sustained on a third-and-1 play while rolling to his right to pass. Subsequent third-and-1 plays resulted in a 4-yard loss on a pitch to Darren McFadden and a 2-yard loss on a swing pass from Matt Leinart to Marcel Reece.

Asked if he would have liked to have seen a more straight-ahead approach in short-yardage, Allen said, “ I would like to see us get the first down and that’s what we’ve got to do better at. Up until last week, we were one of the leading teams on third-and-1 . . . we got stopped a couple of times and we’ve got to do better there.’’

– The Raiders longest offensive play of the day was a 22-yard reception by Terrelle Pryor, who took shotgun snap from center, threw wide to Carson Palmer and then caught a return throw on a screen.

– Punter Shane Lechler pinned the Panthers inside the 20-yard line four times.

– A bit of trickery on a punt reverse from Phillip Adams to Mike Mitchell went for just two yards.

– Strong safety Tyvon Branch (foot) and Adams (groin) did not finish the game with injuries.

– Defensive end Dave Tollefson was inactive for the first time this season, with rookie Jack Crawford getting spot duty on the defensive line.

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  • John David Booty

    MiamiRaider78 Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 8:05 am
    I’m on the fence with DMAC but if he was to stay, I think it would be ideal for him to not be the featured back. Get DMAC to work on his wr skills and put him in plays where he could be a mismatch.

    Limit his rushes per game and sign or draft a featured back that is a bruiser. I think doing this throughout the year and letting him loose if we were to reach the playoffs (one day) would be perfect.
    ————————————-
    This. Talk of trading McFadden is foolish, because you will all be p!ssed when he goes to another team and balls out. Let’s not act like the majority of Raiders fans felt McFadden was up there with Adrian Peterson, just a year ago. Now Knapp comes and misuses all of our players, and people want to trade McFadden. Crazy. Here is an analogy. You can pick the best team in Madden, but if you don’t know how to play with that team, and you don’t actually have skills, it won’t matter. Greg Knapp has failed EVERYWHERE he has gone. FACT. He is not a skilled coordinator and does not know what to do with weapons. He does not call plays to utilize his best players strong points. All he does is go “by the book”. Sorry, people. I’m not up for trading McFadden over Knapp’s ineptitude.

    Now, a good way to use McFadden would be how the Saints used Reggie Bush, when he was averaging 70-80 receptions a season. He wasn’t running much, but his 5-10 yard receptions were acting as the rushing attempts. It allowed him to get in space and pick up yards that way. And it was a big part of what made their offense successful in their Super Bowl season. That’s how I see us using D-Mac. I actually have a lot of visions for how we SHOULD be using our players, but that’s a whole other post. I just had to chime in, because the talk of trading one of our most explosive weapons is just getting ridiculous.

    Trade McFadden over Knapp’s playcalling? Man, I know it’s been a rough season, but come on. I’ve seen BIG plays out of McFadden. That man has SERIOUS ability. Greg Knapp has NEVER been any good at calling a game. Sorry, I think I’ll give D-Mac the benefit of the doubt in this case, over Greg f#ckin Knapp.

    Trade D-Mac? Yeah, I’m sure Bill Belichick would know JUST what to do with D-Mac.

  • Gdog

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Veldheer is a pro bowl RT, imo.

    >>>>

    Disagree.

    Keep him at LT and rejoin Wiz with him. McF had 17 runs of 10 or more yards last year and 16 were to the left.

    Veldheer and Wiz together were road graders…

  • J Hill

    O,

    I just think our offense needs the most help. Specifically, our Oline.

    LT from A&M
    Moore
    Werner

    I’m fine with any of those 3.

  • The_Judge37

    The only positive to playing Matt Leinart is that i almost thought we were going to throw deep every time i saw him start to heave the ball. Too bad it was only for 15 yards but hey, it looked exciting at the begining of his throws.

  • J Hill

    Wiz is not moving back to LG.

    DMac is not the same player after these foot injuries, man.

    That ship has sailed.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    J Hill,

    Filed your beating Carolina prediction in the Y2K and Mayan calendar folder.

    Next up, dismantling Phyliss in the finale.

    One down, one to go.

  • Gdog

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Wiz is not moving back to LG.

    DMac is not the same player after these foot injuries, man.

    >>>>>

    We are all lucky to have a Raider executive posting here!

  • DKnight007

    546.Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:17 am
    A couple more for the Gruden lovers

    Pastor Napoleon Pastor Napoleon ‏@napoleonkaufman
    Why do y’all like Gruden so much? What team has he built?
    Pastor Napoleon ‏@napoleonkaufman
    In all due respect AD built those teams I was on and coach Dungy built that Tampa team. In all due respect.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Uhhh….because Gruden is a good coach maybe?

    He would for sure bring more to the table than DA and this krappy coaching staff.

  • The_Judge37

    Watching Matt Leinart play reminds me that i haven’t seen a 20 yard Hail Mary from the Raiders since Jeff Garcia wore Silver & Black

  • J Hill

    Well we did handle Kim rather easily, LOL.

    I really have no words for our ineptness on offense. That series after Chekwa forced the fumble was comical. I guess Krapp rally believed a screen would work there, eh?

    Sad part about this whole thing is it seems to STILL be getting worse.

  • J Hill

    We are all lucky to have a Raider executive posting here!

    —————————————————————–

    Yes, you are.

  • The_Judge37

    Sad part about this whole thing is it seems to STILL be getting worse.
    ——-

    Hard to believe this is true even after the Cleveland game.

  • J Hill

    How does Pyor get a 1st down POSITIVE play in the redone and then get pulled on 2nd down?

    He doesn’t know how to hand the ball off?

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:22 am
    O,

    I just think our offense needs the most help. Specifically, our Oline.

    LT from A&M
    Moore
    Werner

    I’m fine with any of those 3.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    That makes sense (moving Veldheer to RT IMO).
    I rather draft Moore or Star.

  • DKnight007

    552.Gdog Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:21 am
    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Veldheer is a pro bowl RT, imo.

    >>>>

    Disagree.

    Keep him at LT and rejoin Wiz with him. McF had 17 runs of 10 or more yards last year and 16 were to the left.

    Veldheer and Wiz together were road graders…

    ^^^^^^^^
    Yep!

    Agreed. Another stupid move by McK and DA and Knapp getting rid of Satele and not keeping Wiz at LG.

    The unecessary restructuring of the offense from the past two seasons has proven to be a terrible mistake.

    I knew it as soon as DA dared to hire that POS crap Knapp.

    If DA stays…then Knapp better be fired next week!

  • John David Booty

    Gdog Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:21 am
    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Veldheer is a pro bowl RT, imo.

    >>>>

    Disagree.

    Keep him at LT and rejoin Wiz with him. McF had 17 runs of 10 or more yards last year and 16 were to the left.

    Veldheer and Wiz together were road graders…
    ————————————————-
    Another huge mistake this staff made. This one falls on Frank Pollack. I swear this staff must have did ZERO evaluation of this team in 2011, and just decided that they were gonna force their way from day one, no matter what. The communication that Veldheer and Wiz picked up by the end of last season was phenomenal. They were killing the left side, and had everyone believing we were set there for the next 10 years. This staff comes in, switches everything around without seeing what was working, and the result is regression. It really hurts knowing what Pollack and Knapp did with this O-Line. Moving Cooper Carlisle from RG, where he has been solid as a rock for a decade, over to LG, where he had not played? Why? Bring in Briesel, with a huge contract, to take Carlisle’s spot, and he has been a MAJOR bust. The line coaching has been BEYOND horrendous, and I’m so surprised that more people on this blog havent spoken on it. We had amazing line teachers in Frank Wylie and Steve Wiz last season. Pollack and Knapp came in and just made a huge mess of things.

    And Bergstrom damn near gets Palmer killed yesterday. He’s been a real treat all season, hasn’t he.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Knapp:

    51 points in 4 games.

  • John David Booty

    Bob Wylie.

  • DKnight007

    McK better do heavy research and background checks if he is going to draft Moore or Clowney ahead of Te’o

    This Raider team does not need anymore head cases and does not need players who are just in it for the money.

    Draft FOOTBALL players who really care about the game.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Moore is from Texas A&M, so I’m sure DA can get a lot of info about that kid.

  • DKnight007

    566.John David Booty Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:35 am
    Gdog Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:21 am
    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Veldheer is a pro bowl RT, imo.

    >>>>

    Disagree.

    Keep him at LT and rejoin Wiz with him. McF had 17 runs of 10 or more yards last year and 16 were to the left.

    Veldheer and Wiz together were road graders…
    ————————————————-
    Another huge mistake this staff made. This one falls on Frank Pollack. I swear this staff must have did ZERO evaluation of this team in 2011, and just decided that they were gonna force their way from day one, no matter what. The communication that Veldheer and Wiz picked up by the end of last season was phenomenal. They were killing the left side, and had everyone believing we were set there for the next 10 years. This staff comes in, switches everything around without seeing what was working, and the result is regression. It really hurts knowing what Pollack and Knapp did with this O-Line. Moving Cooper Carlisle from RG, where he has been solid as a rock for a decade, over to LG, where he had not played? Why? Bring in Briesel, with a huge contract, to take Carlisle’s spot, and he has been a MAJOR bust. The line coaching has been BEYOND horrendous, and I’m so surprised that more people on this blog havent spoken on it. We had amazing line teachers in Frank Wylie and Steve Wiz last season. Pollack and Knapp came in and just made a huge mess of things.

    And Bergstrom damn near gets Palmer killed yesterday. He’s been a real treat all season, hasn’t he.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Yep!

    More proof how Knapp and Pollack screwed everything up from the development and continuity of the past two seasons.

    Then again…DA should have never hired Knapp and changed offensive systems in the first place.

    A huge mistake by him!

    Then again….McK should have never hired DA to replace Hue either.

    Dumb rookie mistakes all the way around

  • JB

    We all know where our real weak link is – Knapp, his scheme & his play calling. Some people are just not cut out to play football. Knapp is our Tebow!

  • John David Booty

    Stcking with what I’ve been saying. Take Star and pair him with Desmond Bryant for the next few years. Tell me that’s not a monster. Star and Bryant as your 4-3 DT’s. Star as the NT in 3-4 looks. It’s a no-lose pick to me. I’ve been real excited at the prospect of seeing these 2 play together.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Napolean doesn’t get it.

    Ok, Al built those rosters, but Gruden coached them very well.

    So, Reggie apparently would be building the roster, and so Gruden would be coaching them very well.

    Anyway, the bottom line is if Allen is not involved in the offense, and letting an OC completely run it, then we need an innovative ballsy aggressive OC.

    No way can Knapp return. If he doesn’t get fired immediately after week 17, I’ll lose heart.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    1- DE D Moore or NT/ DT Star Lotulelie

  • morilla

    Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:17 am
    A couple more for the Gruden lovers

    Pastor Napoleon Pastor Napoleon ‏@napoleonkaufman
    Why do y’all like Gruden so much? What team has he built?
    Pastor Napoleon ‏@napoleonkaufman
    In all due respect AD built those teams I was on and coach Dungy built that Tampa team. In all due respect.
    ———————-

    Ouch

  • The_Judge37

    JB Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:40 am
    We all know where our real weak link is – Knapp, his scheme & his play calling. Some people are just not cut out to play football. Knapp is our Tebow!
    ——-

    Tebow at least won Games. Knapp came in and destroyed a perfectly good offense without warrant, he’s is our Josh McDaniels.

  • J Hill

    I’m not saying Wiz wasn’t a great player at LG. Wiz is a better player than Satele no matter what position we are talking about. That’s what you get with great players. Satele was a FA. He went elsewhere. His choice.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:43 am
    JB Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:40 am
    We all know where our real weak link is – Knapp, his scheme & his play calling. Some people are just not cut out to play football. Knapp is our Tebow!
    ——-

    Tebow at least won Games. Knapp came in and destroyed a perfectly good offense without warrant, he’s is our Josh McDaniels.
    $$$$$$$$$$$

    LOL
    I like Josh McDaniels. We should hire him as our next OC.

  • morilla

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:46 am
    I’m not saying Wiz wasn’t a great player at LG. Wiz is a better player than Satele no matter what position we are talking about. That’s what you get with great players. Satele was a FA. He went elsewhere. His choice.
    ———————-

    Losing Satele was the beginning of the downfall for the O-line. He was more important to the squad than people realize.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    It would be so hilarious and enlightening if NFL Films could compile a bunch of sideline chatter from every one of the DCs and HCs that the 2012 Raiders played this year. All the stuff they say in regards to Knapp, his crappy play-calling, personnel packages, etc.

    It would make the perfect anti-resume for why NEVER to hire Knapp. We could only pray that Knapp ends up the OC of one our divisional rivals next season.

  • John David Booty

    So, can we talk about our brilliant HC, Dennis Allen, and his clock management? 5:30 minutes to go. All 3 timeouts remaining, plus the 2:00 minute warning. Down 14-6, in FG range, but decides to go for it on 4th and 4.

    We can see from the couch that this is the wrong move, 100 times out of 100.

    And THIS is our Head Coach. Embarrassing.

  • rudegruden

    John David Booty Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:19 am
    MiamiRaider78 Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 8:05 am
    I’m on the fence with DMAC but if he was to stay, I think it would be ideal for him to not be the featured back. Get DMAC to work on his wr skills and put him in plays where he could be a mismatch.

    Limit his rushes per game and sign or draft a featured back that is a bruiser. I think doing this throughout the year and letting him loose if we were to reach the playoffs (one day) would be perfect.
    ————————————-
    This. Talk of trading McFadden is foolish, because you will all be p!ssed when he goes to another team and balls out. Let’s not act like the majority of Raiders fans felt McFadden was up there with Adrian Peterson, just a year ago. Now Knapp comes and misuses all of our players, and people want to trade McFadden. Crazy. Here is an analogy. You can pick the best team in Madden, but if you don’t know how to play with that team, and you don’t actually have skills, it won’t matter. Greg Knapp has failed EVERYWHERE he has gone. FACT. He is not a skilled coordinator and does not know what to do with weapons. He does not call plays to utilize his best players strong points. All he does is go “by the book”. Sorry, people. I’m not up for trading McFadden over Knapp’s ineptitude.

    Now, a good way to use McFadden would be how the Saints used Reggie Bush, when he was averaging 70-80 receptions a season. He wasn’t running much, but his 5-10 yard receptions were acting as the rushing attempts. It allowed him to get in space and pick up yards that way. And it was a big part of what made their offense successful in their Super Bowl season. That’s how I see us using D-Mac. I actually have a lot of visions for how we SHOULD be using our players, but that’s a whole other post. I just had to chime in, because the talk of trading one of our most explosive weapons is just getting ridiculous.

    Trade McFadden over Knapp’s playcalling? Man, I know it’s been a rough season, but come on. I’ve seen BIG plays out of McFadden. That man has SERIOUS ability. Greg Knapp has NEVER been any good at calling a game. Sorry, I think I’ll give D-Mac the benefit of the doubt in this case, over Greg f#ckin Knapp.

    Trade D-Mac? Yeah, I’m sure Bill Belichick would know JUST what to do with D-Mac.
    ————————————————
    Exactly. Trade away our most explosive player because Knapp came in and destroyed our offense? The logic is completely flawed.

    I would take a 1st rounder for Mcfadden because of his injuries, but to just get rid of him for a 3rd or worse would be an awful idea.

    Knapp has completely destroyed this offense. At no point in the last two years did we question the talent on offense.

  • JB

    John David Booty Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Stcking with what I’ve been saying. Take Star and pair him with Desmond Bryant for the next few years. Tell me that’s not a monster. Star and Bryant as your 4-3 DT’s. Star as the NT in 3-4 looks. It’s a no-lose pick to me. I’ve been real excited at the prospect of seeing these 2 play together.
    **********************

    IMO, Star should be the pick. Bryant & Star would definitely stuff the middle and be the force we are looking for. star’s ability to play 4-3 or 3-4 is BIG!

  • Gdog

    Another huge mistake this staff made. This one falls on Frank Pollack. I swear this staff must have did ZERO evaluation of this team in 2011, and just decided that they were gonna force their way from day one, no matter what. The communication that Veldheer and Wiz picked up by the end of last season was phenomenal. They were killing the left side, and had everyone believing we were set there for the next 10 years.

    >>>>>

    Better than that.. they were reminding me of Upshaw/Shell the way they were mowing the entire left side down.

    Wiz CONTINUES to look lost at center. I’ve seen plays where he had a choice to block one of two people and he just stood there instead. They BOTH ran right by him…

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Palmer’s injury was sustained on a third-and-1 play while rolling to his right to pass. Subsequent third-and-1 plays resulted in a 4-yard loss on a pitch to Darren McFadden….
    ===========================================
    The aforementioned 3rd and 1 pitch to DMAC might have been the worst designed play in the history of football.

    Watch the replay of that beauty again, if you can stand it.

    If that wasn’t a miscommunication, where some players lined up incorrectly, or something got confused – then that is the worst play call and worst designed play I have ever seen in football – at any level.

    Pathetic incompetence.

  • John David Booty

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:46 am
    I’m not saying Wiz wasn’t a great player at LG. Wiz is a better player than Satele no matter what position we are talking about. That’s what you get with great players. Satele was a FA. He went elsewhere. His choice.
    ———————————————-
    Reggie made no attempt to retain him. I’d much rather have paid Satele instead of bringing in Mike Brisiel. Satele only got 3 years, 11 mil from Colts. We had that. Just another mistake by this regime. They are piling up at a rapid pace.

  • The_Judge37

    Touchdown drought: The Raiders haven’t scored a touchdown since Week 14 against Denver. The Raiders have seven field goals in the past two games. It is tied for the longest touchdown drought in the NFL.

  • J Hill

    Wow, we end up right back at Hue?

    Ok, I’ll play.

    Satele was a FA and Carlisle was CUT this offseason

    McKenzie was not about to spend money he didn’t have on Satele. Satele wasn’t taking less to come back.

    What magical OL cats could McKenzie have pulled out of his hat to play C and RG with Hue and Wylie still here?

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Even tho Tarver needs to adjust better and be more unpredictable, I’ve been watching him on the sidelines (whenever the camera pans to him) and he’s always far more animated and active with his players in a Raiders-way, he has some spunk. He could make a good HC one day.

  • The_Judge37

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:50 am
    Palmer’s injury was sustained on a third-and-1 play while rolling to his right to pass. Subsequent third-and-1 plays resulted in a 4-yard loss on a pitch to Darren McFadden….
    ===========================================
    The aforementioned 3rd and 1 pitch to DMAC might have been the worst designed play in the history of football.

    Watch the replay of that beauty again, if you can stand it.

    If that wasn’t a miscommunication, where some players lined up incorrectly, or something got confused – then that is the worst play call and worst designed play I have ever seen in football – at any level.

    Pathetic incompetence.
    ———

    Greg Knapp only has 4 running plays in his offense:

    Stretch Left, Stretch right

    Short Yardage: Toss left, toss right

  • Bornraiders

    Bring in Tebow, I know all the Christian haters and black QB lovers would be very angry. We have a horrible team all around. We could build around him. The Raider receivers can’t catch anyways, so make them into downfield blockers and play action short pass receivers. The line brought back to power OL. Tebow, McFadden and maybe bring in hillis for power. Wildcat, play action, power offense. It would be cheap and would get this team turned around. “Tebow returns to donkey stadium, wearing the diver and black”. Really bring back the old rivalry.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    McKenzie was not about to spend money he didn’t have on Satele. Satele wasn’t taking less to come back.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$

    What are you talking about J?
    We can’t afford Satele but we can afford to give 4/$20 million to Brisiel? How does that make any sense to you?

  • denverraider

    Keep Allen and Tarver. Fire Knapp. Make some decent personnel adjustments through draft and free agency.

  • The_Judge37

    GG Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:52 am
    Even tho Tarver needs to adjust better and be more unpredictable, I’ve been watching him on the sidelines (whenever the camera pans to him) and he’s always far more animated and active with his players in a Raiders-way, he has some spunk. He could make a good HC one day.
    ——

    Let’s not start with that.

  • The_Judge37

    Raider O Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:54 am
    McKenzie was not about to spend money he didn’t have on Satele. Satele wasn’t taking less to come back.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$

    What are you talking about J?
    We can’t afford Satele but we can afford to give 4/$20 million to Brisiel? How does that make any sense to you?
    ——

    BooM-Sha-ka-La-Ka

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    J,

    LT: Veldheer
    LG: Wiz
    C: Satele (cheaper than Brisiel)
    RG: Savage (not asking him to switch positions at the end of his career)
    RT: Barnes

    26 to rookie can compete with Barnes or Savage

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    26 yo* rookie….

  • John David Booty

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:50 am
    Palmer’s injury was sustained on a third-and-1 play while rolling to his right to pass. Subsequent third-and-1 plays resulted in a 4-yard loss on a pitch to Darren McFadden….
    ===========================================
    The aforementioned 3rd and 1 pitch to DMAC might have been the worst designed play in the history of football.

    Watch the replay of that beauty again, if you can stand it.

    If that wasn’t a miscommunication, where some players lined up incorrectly, or something got confused – then that is the worst play call and worst designed play I have ever seen in football – at any level.

    Pathetic incompetence.
    ——————————————-
    Yes, very bad football. And D-Mac was met with 3 Panther defenders before he could blink. Yet some in here act like he should have been able to outrun those players, or jump over them, or somethin. I see that everything is perception and perspective. And I know that everyone sees things differently, based on their own knowledge and experiences. Saying that to say that for people that know football, it’s easy to see that this is a very poorly coached team. It’s just bad.

    DA and Knapp need to “pass the sticks”, because they can’t play this game. We need better shot callers.

  • J Hill

    Stcking with what I’ve been saying. Take Star and pair him with Desmond Bryant for the next few years. Tell me that’s not a monster. Star and Bryant as your 4-3 DT’s. Star as the NT in 3-4 looks. It’s a no-lose pick to me. I’ve been real excited at the prospect of seeing these 2 play together.

    ———————————————————————-

    With Houston at LDE?

    Yeah that would be nice.