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Raiders notes vs. Panthers

On Carolina’s first touchdown, a 23-yard pass from Cam Newton to Steve Smith, left tackle Byron Bell appeared to be holding Raiders defensive end Lamarr Houston.

No flag was thrown.

Much later, when Darren McFadden ran into the end zone from 3 yards out, Stefen Wisniewski was called for holding against a Carolina interior defender, erasing the touchdown.

“I kind of got tripped up,’’ Wisniewski said. “I gave ‘em kind of a final tug before he was going to get off the block. Sometimes they call that; sometimes they don’t. I have to see it on tape to know for sure. But it really stinks when it’s on a touchdown. It really hurts.’’

The two plays helped determine the final outcome in a 17-6 win by the Panthers, but there were head-scratchers galore from the officiating crew on both sides.

On third-and-10 from the Carolina 20-yard line, Tommy Kelly contributed on an apparent sack of Cam Newton. Newton kicked Kelly as they untangled, with Kelly getting a retaliatory foul for unnecessary roughness and a Panthers first down.

“He kicked me and and I aint’ fixing to take that off nobody,’’ Kelly said. “What are you going to do when someone kicks you? You going to take it? Nah.’’

Coach Dennis Allen, although he said he wasn’t exactly sure what happened on the play, wasn’t so sure.

“We’re trying to change the cultre and whatwe have to understand is we have to keep our composure in those types of situations because nothing good comes out of it,’’ Allen said.

Kelly conceded afterward the Raiders were going after Newton with gusto after Carson Palmer was knocked out of the game on a roughing the passer penalty from Greg Hardy, but not in an illegal sense.

“You take our guy out, we’re going to take your guy out,’’ Kelly said.“We’re not out to hurt someone, but when that happens . . .’’

Later in the same drive, Miles Burris appeared to deliver a clean hit to break up a pass to tight end Greg Olson. He got called for hitting a defenseless receiver, just as Carolina linebacker Luke Kuechly did against Darrius Heyward-Bey.

“I’m not the one who makes the calls here,’’ Burris said. “I thought it was pretty clean and I’m going to go out there and continue to play football as hard as I can,’’ Burris said.

Carolina coach Ron Rivera and Allen were both venting their frustrations with officials.

“They have to do the best job they can to protect the players and that’s really where we are right now.’’

Newton was called for unsportsmanlike conduct after making contact with an official after being ridden to the ground by Mike Mitchell, but was not ejected.

Referee Joe Boger told a pool reporter he “missspoke’’ when saying over the loudspeaker that Newton was being penalized for contact. He said Newton was instead penalized for “disrespectfully addressing an official’’ and that the contact “was not of a malicious nature.’’

Newton issued a public apology after the game.

– Palmer’s injury was sustained on a third-and-1 play while rolling to his right to pass. Subsequent third-and-1 plays resulted in a 4-yard loss on a pitch to Darren McFadden and a 2-yard loss on a swing pass from Matt Leinart to Marcel Reece.

Asked if he would have liked to have seen a more straight-ahead approach in short-yardage, Allen said, “ I would like to see us get the first down and that’s what we’ve got to do better at. Up until last week, we were one of the leading teams on third-and-1 . . . we got stopped a couple of times and we’ve got to do better there.’’

– The Raiders longest offensive play of the day was a 22-yard reception by Terrelle Pryor, who took shotgun snap from center, threw wide to Carson Palmer and then caught a return throw on a screen.

– Punter Shane Lechler pinned the Panthers inside the 20-yard line four times.

– A bit of trickery on a punt reverse from Phillip Adams to Mike Mitchell went for just two yards.

– Strong safety Tyvon Branch (foot) and Adams (groin) did not finish the game with injuries.

– Defensive end Dave Tollefson was inactive for the first time this season, with rookie Jack Crawford getting spot duty on the defensive line.

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  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    BooM-Sha-ka-La-Ka
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    LOL
    One of my favorite games.

  • John David Booty

    Raider O Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:56 am
    J,

    LT: Veldheer
    LG: Wiz
    C: Satele (cheaper than Brisiel)
    RG: Savage (not asking him to switch positions at the end of his career)
    RT: Barnes

    26 to rookie can compete with Barnes or Savage
    ——————————–
    Exactly, man.

    And you’re not even being paid to GM. There’s no excuses for why these guys shouldnt have seen these things. Yet, we’re supposed to have blind faith that these guys are going to get the job done. Not looking so good, so far. That’s all we can say.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Tarver would probably be better than Allen as a HC. Especially in an offensive way.

    Often, HC’s with a DC/defensive background make for aggressive innovative offensive minded HC’s. Because they know how to deconstruct a defense, what causes a defense problem.

    Allen is devoid of that, and doesn’t contribute to the offense, seems to just want to be the field general looking over things.

    Tarver the mad-scientist, enjoying the X&O of things more, and getting more involved in the offense, probably see more personnel packages, more utilization of unused playmakers, be more aggressive as a play-caller.

  • The_Judge37

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:58 am
    Stcking with what I’ve been saying. Take Star and pair him with Desmond Bryant for the next few years. Tell me that’s not a monster. Star and Bryant as your 4-3 DT’s. Star as the NT in 3-4 looks. It’s a no-lose pick to me. I’ve been real excited at the prospect of seeing these 2 play together.

    ———————————————————————-

    With Houston at LDE?

    Yeah that would be nice.
    ———

    Just rotate him with the DT’s. Gotta keep those fat boys fresh anyways.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Not saying he’s ready, just advocating one day he’d probably make a good one.

  • Marks hair

    Have you idiots figured it out yet? are you ready to fire this lame duck staff yet?? Good lord….

  • J Hill

    Cmon, O

    Briesel was a one year signing. Have you seen the way that contract was structured. Briesel isn’t getting any $ this season wand will be cut this offseason before that contract kicks in.

  • The_Judge37

    GG Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:03 am
    Not saying he’s ready, just advocating one day he’d probably make a good one.
    ——–

    As far as i’ve seen, dudes not even ready to be a DC

  • John David Booty

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:58 am
    Stcking with what I’ve been saying. Take Star and pair him with Desmond Bryant for the next few years. Tell me that’s not a monster. Star and Bryant as your 4-3 DT’s. Star as the NT in 3-4 looks. It’s a no-lose pick to me. I’ve been real excited at the prospect of seeing these 2 play together.

    ———————————————————————-

    With Houston at LDE?

    Yeah that would be nice.
    ——————————————
    Sheer nastiness. My goodness.

    Then say we were able to move up to the 2nd round and get a DE/OLB like Corey Lemonier from Auburn. This D could definitely be turned around over in a season. Just depends on what the guys calling the shots decide. Lot of options. The direction of our team as a whole is going to come into picture this offseason. I’m excited to see what’s gonna happen, but I have to be honest, I’m not exactly optimistic. Hopefully, I’m proven wrong.

  • The_Judge37

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:05 am
    Cmon, O

    Briesel was a one year signing. Have you seen the way that contract was structured. Briesel isn’t getting any $ this season wand will be cut this offseason before that contract kicks in.
    ———-

    Not like Satele was comming off a Pro Bowl year himself. He could’ve been a much better one year signing.

  • The_Judge37

    Marks hair Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:04 am
    Have you idiots figured it out yet? are you ready to fire this lame duck staff yet?? Good lord….
    ———

    Are you not entertained!!!!!!!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Charlie Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 8:04 am
    The football IQ drops dangerously low on this blog immediately after a loss.

    =====

    That’s a rather astute statement! Sadly, after the last several years, the losses have caused permanent IQ loss. So much that people in here look up to Pryor’s intellectual prowress.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:05 am
    Cmon, O

    Briesel was a one year signing. Have you seen the way that contract was structured. Briesel isn’t getting any $ this season wand will be cut this offseason before that contract kicks in.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    So he was cheaper than Satele?

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:05 am
    Cmon, O

    Briesel was a one year signing. Have you seen the way that contract was structured. Briesel isn’t getting any $ this season wand will be cut this offseason before that contract kicks in.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Exactly.

  • DKnight007

    580.morilla Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:47 am
    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:46 am
    I’m not saying Wiz wasn’t a great player at LG. Wiz is a better player than Satele no matter what position we are talking about. That’s what you get with great players. Satele was a FA. He went elsewhere. His choice.
    ———————-

    Losing Satele was the beginning of the downfall for the O-line. He was more important to the squad than people realize.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Yep!

  • Marks hair

    Is the we beat kc circle jerk over yet?

  • J Hill

    C: Satele (cheaper than Brisiel)
    RG: Savage (not asking him to switch positions at the end of his career)
    RT: Barnes

    —————————————————————————–

    PUKE!!!!!

    How many more QBs do you want literally knocked out of the game?

    We have a couple of years of blog archives detailing the WEAKNESS of that Oline from C-RT. ESPECIALLY Satele and Carlisle next to each other.

    C and RG were priority upgrades last offseason, imo. Briesel has certainly been a bust, and moving Carlisle to LG is beyond hilarious to me.

    RG, LG, and OT are major needs this offseason, imo.

  • DKnight007

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:46 am
    I’m not saying Wiz wasn’t a great player at LG. Wiz is a better player than Satele no matter what position we are talking about. That’s what you get with great players. Satele was a FA. He went elsewhere. His choice.

    ^^^^^^^
    McK didn’t even try and sign him.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:06 am
    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:05 am
    Cmon, O

    Briesel was a one year signing. Have you seen the way that contract was structured. Briesel isn’t getting any $ this season wand will be cut this offseason before that contract kicks in.
    ———-

    Not like Satele was comming off a Pro Bowl year himself. He could’ve been a much better one year signing.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$

    Exactly.

    Ignore my prev post please.

  • Marks hair

    We didnt need the top pick anyway.. strive for those meaningless wins da! Weeee!!

  • The_Judge37

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:11 am
    C: Satele (cheaper than Brisiel)
    RG: Savage (not asking him to switch positions at the end of his career)
    RT: Barnes

    —————————————————————————–

    PUKE!!!!!

    How many more QBs do you want literally knocked out of the game?
    ———–

    Well Matt Leinart to start.

    But Can’t be worse than what we have currently. At they know where the rush is coming from

  • J Hill

    Sheer nastiness. My goodness.

    Then say we were able to move up to the 2nd round and get a DE/OLB like Corey Lemonier from Auburn. This D could definitely be turned around over in a season.

    —————————————————————–

    Defense is playing well already. This would be exciting to watch, NO DOUBT. I’ve been waiting for this type of D for YEARS.

    With that said, I’m taking the LT from A&M if he’s available.

  • The_Judge37

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:14 am
    Sheer nastiness. My goodness.

    Then say we were able to move up to the 2nd round and get a DE/OLB like Corey Lemonier from Auburn. This D could definitely be turned around over in a season.

    —————————————————————–

    Defense is playing well already. This would be exciting to watch, NO DOUBT. I’ve been waiting for this type of D for YEARS.
    ———

    No they’re not.

  • Marks hair

    Even riff hates these coaches now.. although he says he was still right to defend them all yr.. titty monkey or krapp must be his dad i guess…

  • J Hill

    Wiz, Veldheer, and the rookie from A&M as the YOUNG core of our Oline is just as exciting to me as that Dline, John.

    Can we really lose either way?

    Even if we “lose out” on Star and the LT, Werner and Moore are ballers too.

  • J Hill

    Well Matt Leinart to start.

    —————————————————

    LOL

  • hwnrdr

    Well, guys….my time is up here…
    Going home to relax before the family Christmas Party tonight!
    You all have a Merry Christmas!!!

  • Marks hair

    The raiders have employed the first black, Hispanic, and female head coaches in league history….

  • Al_is_theraiders

    still some stupid fvcks in here…blind as a bat.

  • Marks hair

    Nice call on 4th down tits.. dipshìt…

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Hwnrdr Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:19 am
    Well, guys….my time is up here…
    Going home to relax before the family Christmas Party tonight!
    You all have a Merry Christmas!!!
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Merry Christmas sir.

  • J Hill

    Merry Christmas Errrbody

  • Marks hair

    I bought da a new sports bra for xmas

  • The_Judge37

    Not since Chad Pennington have i seen a QB put some much effort into throwing a ball 15 yards like Leinart was yesterday.

  • John David Booty

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:14 am
    Sheer nastiness. My goodness.

    Then say we were able to move up to the 2nd round and get a DE/OLB like Corey Lemonier from Auburn. This D could definitely be turned around over in a season.

    —————————————————————–

    Defense is playing well already. This would be exciting to watch, NO DOUBT. I’ve been waiting for this type of D for YEARS.

    With that said, I’m taking the LT from A&M if he’s available.
    —————————————
    Joeckel is a hell of a player, so I would be stupid to be upset if we drafted him. And it would instantly upgrade us at RT if we had a reason or way to send Veldheer there. I would not be upset if that were the pick. However, if Frank Pollack is back as O-line coach next season, its almost gonna be a wasted pick for one year, cause that guy is not gonna get the best out of the line. It just is what it is. But I like Joeckel a lot.

    Just the prospect of seeing Star in the middle of the D with Bryant has had me sold for a minute now, and I don’t know what’s really gonna move me from that position.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    No way can Knapp return. If he doesn’t get fired immediately after week 17, I’ll lose heart.
    =================================================
    I think we all feel the same way.

    There aren’t any Krapp supporters left.

    None that I know of at least.

    There were a few Krapp supporters that tried to give him a pass by claiming the posters here were incapable of evaluating the worthiness of Krapp’s scheme or design.

    Then there are the posters that claimed Krapp was not to blame – it’s all about personnel, execution, etc.

    There were poters here that refused to acknowledge that Krapp wasn’t using the roster effectively or putting players in the best position to succeed or maximizing production.

    They’ve pretty much been silenced now.

    How can they defend Krapp and the staggering ineptitude ?

    They can’t.

    Think about this:

    A TOTAL of THREE points on opening drives the ENTIRE season.

    Firing Krapp immediately is an absolute necessity.

    If Tits doesn’t do so, he has to be canned as well.

    This level of incompetence can not be permitted to continue.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Marks Hair Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:20 am
    The raiders have employed the first black, Hispanic, and female head coaches in league history….
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    LMAO bro.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    How about this guy for OC? Resume looks as good, if not better than Knapps.
    In (2003), He was hired by Mike Tice as an Offensive Quality Control coach/QB’s Minnesota Vikings.(64.0% 4169yds).(2004)(68.8% 4754yds). In (2005) He was promoted by the Minnesota Vikings to Assistant QB coach.(63.3%/ 3449yds).
    Scott Linehan hired Him to St. Louis Rams in (2006) as Quality Control coach/RB’s. (1805 yds, 4.3 yds per attempt)
    Who is this undiscovered gem?
    Randy Hanson!

  • JB

    There obviously people in here with short memories. Last year’s O-line had it’s problem, especially on the right side. Satele & Carlisle were a turnstile. ORT tackle was barely serviceable. We really needed a new center, ORG & ORT. Satele was no prize at center. He really was a weak link. As it stand right now we still need a center, ORG & ORT. Move Wiz 2.0 back to OLG and let’s bring in so FA’s. Carlisle can play back-up or just retire. Brisel is simply a wasted signing & Barnes is Barnes. Enough said. We also need to get rid of Knapp’s buddy Pollard and ring Bob Whylie back, maybe Wiz 1.0 too if he’s willing.

  • DKnight007

    604.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:03 am
    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:58 am
    Stcking with what I’ve been saying. Take Star and pair him with Desmond Bryant for the next few years. Tell me that’s not a monster. Star and Bryant as your 4-3 DT’s. Star as the NT in 3-4 looks. It’s a no-lose pick to me. I’ve been real excited at the prospect of seeing these 2 play together.

    ———————————————————————-

    With Houston at LDE?

    Yeah that would be nice.
    ———

    Just rotate him with the DT’s. Gotta keep those fat boys fresh anyways.

    ^^^^^^^^
    I think playing Houston as a LDE in the 4-3 is a waste.

    However, playing him as a LDE in the 3-4 would be ideal.

  • Marks hair

    Enjoy the only bowlgame tonite.. fresno st vs smu in hawaii..

  • DKnight007

    Bringing Wylie and Wiz would be a great move, but the chances of it happening is not very good unfortunately.

    Ugh

  • JB

    Bring Norv Turner back as OC. He’ll be available shortly. Actually, RM should be able to job offer him after next week’s game when he’s fired. We’ll be first in line.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    The_Judge37 Says:
    Not since Chad Pennington have i seen a QB put some much effort into throwing a ball 15 yards like Leinart was yesterday.
    ========================================================

    Leinart, 16 for 31 for 115 yards. And, boy are his arms tired.

  • John David Booty

    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:17 am
    Wiz, Veldheer, and the rookie from A&M as the YOUNG core of our Oline is just as exciting to me as that Dline, John.

    Can we really lose either way?

    Even if we “lose out” on Star and the LT, Werner and Moore are ballers too.
    ————————————–
    This we can agree on. I think with where we stand, we are in position to get ONE of any really amazing prospects. If everything goes smoothly, we should definitely walk away from the 1st round with a big time player, be it Star, Jones, Werner, Moore, Joeckel. Even Teo, who I think would be a little of a reach for us, would still be a nice player to “end up with”. Barkevious Mingo. Actually, this is one of the deepest defensive drafts Ive seen in a minute. This so-called new and improved scouting department is gonna be out to the test this draft, and Im excited to see what happens.

    Worst case scenario, Reggie trades down, we DON’T end up with one of the top tier prospects, and he blows whatever 1st round pick he has. This would be unforgivable. Reggie has been off to a bad start. This draft will be a chance for him to redeem himself. Let’s GO!

    That

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    John David Booty Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:35 am
    Gdog Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:21 am
    J Hill Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Veldheer is a pro bowl RT, imo.

    >>>>

    Disagree.

    Keep him at LT and rejoin Wiz with him. McF had 17 runs of 10 or more yards last year and 16 were to the left.

    Veldheer and Wiz together were road graders…
    ————————————————-
    Another huge mistake this staff made. This one falls on Frank Pollack. I swear this staff must have did ZERO evaluation of this team in 2011, and just decided that they were gonna force their way from day one, no matter what. The communication that Veldheer and Wiz picked up by the end of last season was phenomenal. They were killing the left side, and had everyone believing we were set there for the next 10 years. This staff comes in, switches everything around without seeing what was working, and the result is regression. It really hurts knowing what Pollack and Knapp did with this O-Line. Moving Cooper Carlisle from RG, where he has been solid as a rock for a decade, over to LG, where he had not played? Why? Bring in Briesel, with a huge contract, to take Carlisle’s spot, and he has been a MAJOR bust. The line coaching has been BEYOND horrendous, and I’m so surprised that more people on this blog havent spoken on it. We had amazing line teachers in Frank Wylie and Steve Wiz last season. Pollack and Knapp came in and just made a huge mess of things.

    And Bergstrom damn near gets Palmer killed yesterday. He’s been a real treat all season, hasn’t he.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You’re correct Booty.
    I’ve been saying this since Knap got here and so have others.
    Satele is just an average center but we had a servicable line with him as center and Wiz at LG working really well with Veldheer at LT.

  • The_Judge37

    Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:26 am
    How about this guy for OC? Resume looks as good, if not better than Knapps.
    In (2007) he was hired by Lane Kiffin to coach QB’s, more specifically, Jamarcus Russell
    In (2009) He was hired by Eric Mangini to tutor QB Mark Sanchez
    Out of the NFL from 2010-11
    In (2012) Was rehired by Dennis Allen whose had an entire offseason and 14 games to get Terrelle Pryor “Not even Close to Ready”

    Who is this well discovered Gem?
    John DeFilippo

  • DKnight007

    636.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:25 am
    No way can Knapp return. If he doesn’t get fired immediately after week 17, I’ll lose heart.
    =================================================
    I think we all feel the same way.

    There aren’t any Krapp supporters left.

    None that I know of at least.

    There were a few Krapp supporters that tried to give him a pass by claiming the posters here were incapable of evaluating the worthiness of Krapp’s scheme or design.

    Then there are the posters that claimed Krapp was not to blame – it’s all about personnel, execution, etc.

    There were poters here that refused to acknowledge that Krapp wasn’t using the roster effectively or putting players in the best position to succeed or maximizing production.

    They’ve pretty much been silenced now.

    How can they defend Krapp and the staggering ineptitude ?

    They can’t.

    Think about this:

    A TOTAL of THREE points on opening drives the ENTIRE season.

    Firing Krapp immediately is an absolute necessity.

    If Tits doesn’t do so, he has to be canned as well.

    This level of incompetence can not be permitted to continue.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Even the minority of DA supporters realize Knapp is crap!

  • Marks hair

    I can throw farther than liono with my off arm.. not playing tp is a slap in ALs face…

  • John David Booty

    Marks Hair Says:
    December 24th, 2012 at 10:28 am
    Enjoy the only bowlgame tonite.. fresno st vs smu in hawaii..
    ——————————
    This should actually be a decent game.

    Check out the Safety from Fresno State, Phillip Thomas. That man is a ball hawk. If he has a good game, watch his draft stock rise. He can play.