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		<title>By: tuckrulefool</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 20:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FIRE T1T5 AND THE KLAPP!</description>
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		<title>By: DJ Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More and more it appears that what may be the quickest road to respectability is a true franchise..potentially (if not already) ELITE QB AND receivers who are on the same page and can catch the ball.  These receivers don&#039;t have to be big names, but need to CATCH THE BALL.  Too often we blow it off when DHB drop a clutch 3rd down, or Streator drops one, or Myers...or Moore as if &quot;We&#039;ll get em next time..overall he&#039;s doing good&quot;, but those key drops end drives that could turn a game around.

Guys say &quot;well, overall DHB hasn&#039;t dropped as many as he used to...he&#039;s ok&quot;, but that 3rd down play in Cincy would have kept the drive going and if we score there it could have been a different result.

My point is, those drops we tend to shrug off as &quot;part of the game&quot; are CRITICAL.

It is RARE that u see any GB receivers drop the ball. It just doesn&#039;t happen, and if it does it&#039;s more of a fluke than anything.

How many have we seen DMoore drop this yr.?  Myers?  Shoot Myers dropped a critical  TD that doinked off and was picked and he is in the top 15 of most drops in the league.  You just cannot have that stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More and more it appears that what may be the quickest road to respectability is a true franchise..potentially (if not already) ELITE QB AND receivers who are on the same page and can catch the ball.  These receivers don&#8217;t have to be big names, but need to CATCH THE BALL.  Too often we blow it off when DHB drop a clutch 3rd down, or Streator drops one, or Myers&#8230;or Moore as if &#8220;We&#8217;ll get em next time..overall he&#8217;s doing good&#8221;, but those key drops end drives that could turn a game around.</p>
<p>Guys say &#8220;well, overall DHB hasn&#8217;t dropped as many as he used to&#8230;he&#8217;s ok&#8221;, but that 3rd down play in Cincy would have kept the drive going and if we score there it could have been a different result.</p>
<p>My point is, those drops we tend to shrug off as &#8220;part of the game&#8221; are CRITICAL.</p>
<p>It is RARE that u see any GB receivers drop the ball. It just doesn&#8217;t happen, and if it does it&#8217;s more of a fluke than anything.</p>
<p>How many have we seen DMoore drop this yr.?  Myers?  Shoot Myers dropped a critical  TD that doinked off and was picked and he is in the top 15 of most drops in the league.  You just cannot have that stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: DKnight007</title>
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		<dc:creator>DKnight007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>695.Charlie Says: 
December 24th, 2012 at 11:28 am 
Though I believe the Oline is the heart of the team, I believe our fastest road to repectability is to build the Dline in 2013.

Our first pick as a DT is long over due and gets a bit of mileage out of Kelly’s remaining contract since the new guy will hopefully require some double teams.
A stud DE in round three would be great if we get lucky.
Keep Carter for depth at a modest price and we may have something.
This strategy is all predicated on Bergstrom repalcing Carlisle and that again is not gauranteed.

This is and has been my concern for quite a while too many holes and two few high picks for the first two years of this regime.

Raider O points out that the Giants/Steelers have built their Oline with low round picks.

The Giants drafted 8 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the past decade.
What is misleading is when you go back a bit further you find:
STRAHAN #1
PETITGOUT #1
GRAGG #2
The Giants had the good fortune of getting unusual longevity out of VERY HIGH DRAFT PICKS. AS A RESULT THEY HAD A CORE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO FOCUS ON SKILL GUYS WITH HIGH PICKS BECAUSE THEY HAD BUILT THE CORE OF THEIR LINES IN THE LATE 90’S.
The Steelers drafted 12 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the last decade.
BY CONTRAST THE RAIDERS DRAFTED 7 IN THE BOX TYPE PLAYERS WITH HIGH ROUND PICKS. THEY ALSO TRADED AWAY THREE OF THEIR 20 HIGH ROUND PICKS DURING THAT TIME. MOST WERE ALL AVERAGE TO POOR PICKS. BRAYTON,HOWARD,GALLERY,GROVE,McCLAIN. WE CAN BE GENEROUS AND SAY THAT HOUSTON AND WIZ II WERE SUCCESSFUL.
THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS THAT SUCCESSFUL WINNING FRANCHISES BUILD THE CORE OF THEIR LINES WITH FIRST AND SECOND ROUND PICKS. IF THEY MISS THEY KEEP DOING IT TILL THEY GET IT RIGHT.
THAT IS WHAT THE RAIDERS USED TO DO AND THEY GOT AWAY FROM IT FOR THE LAST DECADE.






^^^^^^^^^^
Build the DLine, LB&#039;s and secondary.

Get a better coaching staff as well, that knows how to be a head coach and utlize players strengths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>695.Charlie Says:<br />
December 24th, 2012 at 11:28 am<br />
Though I believe the Oline is the heart of the team, I believe our fastest road to repectability is to build the Dline in 2013.</p>
<p>Our first pick as a DT is long over due and gets a bit of mileage out of Kelly’s remaining contract since the new guy will hopefully require some double teams.<br />
A stud DE in round three would be great if we get lucky.<br />
Keep Carter for depth at a modest price and we may have something.<br />
This strategy is all predicated on Bergstrom repalcing Carlisle and that again is not gauranteed.</p>
<p>This is and has been my concern for quite a while too many holes and two few high picks for the first two years of this regime.</p>
<p>Raider O points out that the Giants/Steelers have built their Oline with low round picks.</p>
<p>The Giants drafted 8 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the past decade.<br />
What is misleading is when you go back a bit further you find:<br />
STRAHAN #1<br />
PETITGOUT #1<br />
GRAGG #2<br />
The Giants had the good fortune of getting unusual longevity out of VERY HIGH DRAFT PICKS. AS A RESULT THEY HAD A CORE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO FOCUS ON SKILL GUYS WITH HIGH PICKS BECAUSE THEY HAD BUILT THE CORE OF THEIR LINES IN THE LATE 90’S.<br />
The Steelers drafted 12 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the last decade.<br />
BY CONTRAST THE RAIDERS DRAFTED 7 IN THE BOX TYPE PLAYERS WITH HIGH ROUND PICKS. THEY ALSO TRADED AWAY THREE OF THEIR 20 HIGH ROUND PICKS DURING THAT TIME. MOST WERE ALL AVERAGE TO POOR PICKS. BRAYTON,HOWARD,GALLERY,GROVE,McCLAIN. WE CAN BE GENEROUS AND SAY THAT HOUSTON AND WIZ II WERE SUCCESSFUL.<br />
THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS THAT SUCCESSFUL WINNING FRANCHISES BUILD THE CORE OF THEIR LINES WITH FIRST AND SECOND ROUND PICKS. IF THEY MISS THEY KEEP DOING IT TILL THEY GET IT RIGHT.<br />
THAT IS WHAT THE RAIDERS USED TO DO AND THEY GOT AWAY FROM IT FOR THE LAST DECADE.</p>
<p>^^^^^^^^^^<br />
Build the DLine, LB&#8217;s and secondary.</p>
<p>Get a better coaching staff as well, that knows how to be a head coach and utlize players strengths.</p>
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		<title>By: ENGLANDRAIDER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ENGLANDRAIDER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The_Judge37 Says: 
December 24th, 2012 at 11:21 am 
Replace Palmer with Leinart? Just because he fits with Knapp’s scheme?!

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! Pass the Haig ‘n’ Haig or the nearest Scotch.
I’d rather see Snake call it in from Alabama.
——–

Unfortunatly that’s the way things are looking. 

And it’s more like a Jug of Kessler than Haig n Haig scotch.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


  If you live in California, Trader Joe&#039;s sells Henninger Beer out of Frankfurt. 
  Very reasonable price too.

  That beer and I have spent some good times especially when I served in Deutschland.

  Merry Christmas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The_Judge37 Says:<br />
December 24th, 2012 at 11:21 am<br />
Replace Palmer with Leinart? Just because he fits with Knapp’s scheme?!</p>
<p>Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! Pass the Haig ‘n’ Haig or the nearest Scotch.<br />
I’d rather see Snake call it in from Alabama.<br />
——–</p>
<p>Unfortunatly that’s the way things are looking. </p>
<p>And it’s more like a Jug of Kessler than Haig n Haig scotch.</p>
<p>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++</p>
<p>  If you live in California, Trader Joe&#8217;s sells Henninger Beer out of Frankfurt.<br />
  Very reasonable price too.</p>
<p>  That beer and I have spent some good times especially when I served in Deutschland.</p>
<p>  Merry Christmas!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I believe the Oline is the heart of the team, I believe our fastest road to repectability is to build the Dline in 2013.

Our first pick as a DT is long over due and gets a bit of mileage out of Kelly&#039;s remaining contract since the new guy will hopefully require some double teams.
A stud DE in round three would be great if we get lucky.
Keep Carter for depth at a modest price and we may have something.
This strategy is all predicated on Bergstrom repalcing Carlisle and that again is not gauranteed.

This is and has been my concern for quite a while too many holes and two few high picks for the first two years of this regime.

Raider O points out that the Giants/Steelers have built their Oline with low round picks.

The Giants drafted 8 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the past decade.
What is misleading is when you go back a bit further you find:
STRAHAN #1
PETITGOUT #1
GRAGG #2
The Giants had the good fortune of getting unusual longevity out of VERY HIGH DRAFT PICKS. AS A RESULT THEY HAD A CORE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO FOCUS ON SKILL GUYS WITH HIGH PICKS BECAUSE THEY HAD BUILT THE CORE OF THEIR LINES IN THE LATE 90’S.
The Steelers drafted 12 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the last decade.
BY CONTRAST THE RAIDERS DRAFTED 7 IN THE BOX TYPE PLAYERS WITH HIGH ROUND PICKS. THEY ALSO TRADED AWAY THREE OF THEIR 20 HIGH ROUND PICKS DURING THAT TIME. MOST WERE ALL AVERAGE TO POOR PICKS. BRAYTON,HOWARD,GALLERY,GROVE,McCLAIN. WE CAN BE GENEROUS AND SAY THAT HOUSTON AND WIZ II WERE SUCCESSFUL.
THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS THAT SUCCESSFUL WINNING FRANCHISES BUILD THE CORE OF THEIR LINES WITH FIRST AND SECOND ROUND PICKS. IF THEY MISS THEY KEEP DOING IT TILL THEY GET IT RIGHT.
THAT IS WHAT THE RAIDERS USED TO DO AND THEY GOT AWAY FROM IT FOR THE LAST DECADE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I believe the Oline is the heart of the team, I believe our fastest road to repectability is to build the Dline in 2013.</p>
<p>Our first pick as a DT is long over due and gets a bit of mileage out of Kelly&#8217;s remaining contract since the new guy will hopefully require some double teams.<br />
A stud DE in round three would be great if we get lucky.<br />
Keep Carter for depth at a modest price and we may have something.<br />
This strategy is all predicated on Bergstrom repalcing Carlisle and that again is not gauranteed.</p>
<p>This is and has been my concern for quite a while too many holes and two few high picks for the first two years of this regime.</p>
<p>Raider O points out that the Giants/Steelers have built their Oline with low round picks.</p>
<p>The Giants drafted 8 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the past decade.<br />
What is misleading is when you go back a bit further you find:<br />
STRAHAN #1<br />
PETITGOUT #1<br />
GRAGG #2<br />
The Giants had the good fortune of getting unusual longevity out of VERY HIGH DRAFT PICKS. AS A RESULT THEY HAD A CORE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO FOCUS ON SKILL GUYS WITH HIGH PICKS BECAUSE THEY HAD BUILT THE CORE OF THEIR LINES IN THE LATE 90’S.<br />
The Steelers drafted 12 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the last decade.<br />
BY CONTRAST THE RAIDERS DRAFTED 7 IN THE BOX TYPE PLAYERS WITH HIGH ROUND PICKS. THEY ALSO TRADED AWAY THREE OF THEIR 20 HIGH ROUND PICKS DURING THAT TIME. MOST WERE ALL AVERAGE TO POOR PICKS. BRAYTON,HOWARD,GALLERY,GROVE,McCLAIN. WE CAN BE GENEROUS AND SAY THAT HOUSTON AND WIZ II WERE SUCCESSFUL.<br />
THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS THAT SUCCESSFUL WINNING FRANCHISES BUILD THE CORE OF THEIR LINES WITH FIRST AND SECOND ROUND PICKS. IF THEY MISS THEY KEEP DOING IT TILL THEY GET IT RIGHT.<br />
THAT IS WHAT THE RAIDERS USED TO DO AND THEY GOT AWAY FROM IT FOR THE LAST DECADE.</p>
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		<title>By: Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason Campbell couldn&#039;t play QB looking over his shoulder at the Bruce. Or so someone said once. Then it started getting parroted here, there and everywhere until it was commonly accepted as truth. Problem was, there was no truth to it. He played as well as he was capable of as #1, #2, off the bench, starting or with Bruce or Frye as back up.
 Same thing with this &quot;Al Davis players&quot; BS. When I see Veld, Wiz, DMC, Bryant, Houston and the like get benched in favor of &#039;Reggies guys&#039; I&#039;ll consider it. Until then, think for yourself, don&#039;t be a parrot, and try to come up with a legitamite reason your favorite player isn&#039;t seeing significant playing time.
 I&#039;ll get off the soapbox now. Merry Xmas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason Campbell couldn&#8217;t play QB looking over his shoulder at the Bruce. Or so someone said once. Then it started getting parroted here, there and everywhere until it was commonly accepted as truth. Problem was, there was no truth to it. He played as well as he was capable of as #1, #2, off the bench, starting or with Bruce or Frye as back up.<br />
 Same thing with this &#8220;Al Davis players&#8221; BS. When I see Veld, Wiz, DMC, Bryant, Houston and the like get benched in favor of &#8216;Reggies guys&#8217; I&#8217;ll consider it. Until then, think for yourself, don&#8217;t be a parrot, and try to come up with a legitamite reason your favorite player isn&#8217;t seeing significant playing time.<br />
 I&#8217;ll get off the soapbox now. Merry Xmas!</p>
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		<title>By: ENGLANDRAIDER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ENGLANDRAIDER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merry Christmas Nation.

   Time to get the presents wrapped,

   Go Raiders!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merry Christmas Nation.</p>
<p>   Time to get the presents wrapped,</p>
<p>   Go Raiders!</p>
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		<title>By: The_Judge37</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Judge37</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Replace Palmer with Leinart? Just because he fits with Knapp’s scheme?!

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! Pass the Haig ‘n’ Haig or the nearest Scotch.
I’d rather see Snake call it in from Alabama.
--------

Unfortunatly that&#039;s the way things are looking. 

And it&#039;s more like a Jug of Kessler than Haig n Haig scotch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Replace Palmer with Leinart? Just because he fits with Knapp’s scheme?!</p>
<p>Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! Pass the Haig ‘n’ Haig or the nearest Scotch.<br />
I’d rather see Snake call it in from Alabama.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Unfortunatly that&#8217;s the way things are looking. </p>
<p>And it&#8217;s more like a Jug of Kessler than Haig n Haig scotch.</p>
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		<title>By: ENGLANDRAIDER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ENGLANDRAIDER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says: 
December 24th, 2012 at 11:05 am 
Marks hair Says:
DA couldnt have looked any worse this yr if he sprouted a little pink vaginà and immediately started his period.
=======================================================

I’ve seen vaginàs that looked a lot worse than little pink ones.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

   LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:<br />
December 24th, 2012 at 11:05 am<br />
Marks hair Says:<br />
DA couldnt have looked any worse this yr if he sprouted a little pink vaginà and immediately started his period.<br />
=======================================================</p>
<p>I’ve seen vaginàs that looked a lot worse than little pink ones.</p>
<p>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++</p>
<p>   LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: DKnight007</title>
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		<dc:creator>DKnight007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>686.ENGLANDRAIDER Says: 
December 24th, 2012 at 11:10 am 
The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:52 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Jerry McDonald‏@Jerrymcd

Only handful of no-doubt-about-it locks to be back on Raiders roster _ I think Palmer stays, some I respect think it’s not a sure thing

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Say what? Who are those “some” you respect Jerry and who would you replace Palmer with?
——–

You saw his economical replacement last night. And Matt not being able to throw beyond 20 yards fits You know who’s offense perfectly.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Replace Palmer with Leinart? Just because he fits with Knapp’s scheme?!

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! Pass the Haig ‘n’ Haig or the nearest Scotch.
I’d rather see Snake call it in from Alabama.





^^^^^^^^^
Yep!

Replacing Palmer with Lyinheart because he would be more of a  &quot;system&quot; fit would be the one of the dumbest moves ever by McK, DA and Knapp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>686.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:<br />
December 24th, 2012 at 11:10 am<br />
The_Judge37 Says:<br />
December 24th, 2012 at 10:52 am<br />
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:<br />
December 24th, 2012 at 10:50 am<br />
Jerry McDonald‏@Jerrymcd</p>
<p>Only handful of no-doubt-about-it locks to be back on Raiders roster _ I think Palmer stays, some I respect think it’s not a sure thing</p>
<p>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++</p>
<p>Say what? Who are those “some” you respect Jerry and who would you replace Palmer with?<br />
——–</p>
<p>You saw his economical replacement last night. And Matt not being able to throw beyond 20 yards fits You know who’s offense perfectly.</p>
<p>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++</p>
<p>Replace Palmer with Leinart? Just because he fits with Knapp’s scheme?!</p>
<p>Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! Pass the Haig ‘n’ Haig or the nearest Scotch.<br />
I’d rather see Snake call it in from Alabama.</p>
<p>^^^^^^^^^<br />
Yep!</p>
<p>Replacing Palmer with Lyinheart because he would be more of a  &#8220;system&#8221; fit would be the one of the dumbest moves ever by McK, DA and Knapp.</p>
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