Grading the Raiders off Panthers game
By Steve Corkran
Monday, December 24th, 2012 at 11:19 am in Oakland Raiders.
Beat writer Jerry McDonald graded the Raiders off their 17-6 loss to the Carolina Panthers. Here are McDonald’s grades and comments:
Pass offense
Downfield passing was non-existent as Matt Leinart needed 16 completions (in 32 attempts) to gain 115 yards with no gain longer than 20. Terrelle Pryor’s 22-yard reception from Carson Palmer on a trick play screen was the longest pass play of the game. Leinart’s interception to Luke Kuechly near the end of the first half led to Carolina’s second touchdown.
Grade: D-minus
Rush offense
So much for the Raiders’ resurgent run game. A recent run of average to above-average performances gave way to 47 yards on 22 carries. Running back Darren McFadden (33 yards, 17 carries) had one 13-yard gain and the lone rushing first down. Other than that, he was running head-on into tackles, gaining 20 yards on 16 caries.
Grade: F
Pass defense
Even with starters Tyvon Branch (foot) and Phillip Adams (groin) out, the Raiders held Cam Newton reasonably in check. He was 18-for-29 for 170 yards, and grew frustrated by getting hit by a decent pass rush. Linebacker Miles Burris had an interception off a Philip Wheeler deflection. The Raiders offense failed to cash in with points.
Grade: B
Rush defense
The Raiders were diligent at staying disciplined in the read option with regard to the quarterback run or the pitch. Newton had 60 yards on 12 carries (including three kneel downs) but the bulk of his yardage came on one 29-yard scramble. DeAngelo Williams, other than 14 yards on one option pitch, had 5 yards on 10 carries.
Grade: B
Special teams
Shane Lechler pinned the Panthers inside the 20-yard line four times. Chimdi Chekwa forced a fumble on a punt return, recovered by Richard Gordon, but the offense could not convert into a touchdown. An “A” effort other than doing no damage in the return game. The Raiders’ coverage units didn’t allow Carolina to do any damage with their returns, however.
Grade: B-plus
Coaching
Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp had to adjust quickly when Carson Palmer was knocked out of the game. Whatever adjustments were made failed. Coach Dennis Allen opted to go for a first down on fourth-and-4 deep in Carolina territory with 5:09 to go, treating it as a one-score game even though his kicker is Sebastian Janikowski. Leinart threw incomplete. Defensive plan and execution was solid.
Grade: D-plus
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December 24th, 2012 at 11:22 am
1st, merry xmas
December 24th, 2012 at 11:24 am
I’m very upset at the D+ Grade for coaching.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Jason Campbell couldn’t play QB looking over his shoulder at the Bruce. Or so someone said once. Then it started getting parroted here, there and everywhere until it was commonly accepted as truth. Problem was, there was no truth to it. He played as well as he was capable of as #1, #2, off the bench, starting or with Bruce or Frye as back up.
Same thing with this “Al Davis players” BS. When I see Veld, Wiz, DMC, Bryant, Houston and the like get benched in favor of ‘Reggies guys’ I’ll consider it. Until then, think for yourself, don’t be a parrot, and try to come up with a legitamite reason your favorite player isn’t seeing significant playing time.
I’ll get off the soapbox now. Merry Xmas!
December 24th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Leinart becoming starter in 2013 would probably be good, as he wouldnt last very long — either due to terrible play or injury.
Especially if Pryor returns to challenge for the gig.
Palmer isn’t worth bringing back financially-wise. And if we can get a 1st or 2nd for him probably for the best as we have many holes to fill.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:32 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:24 am
I’m very upset at the D+ Grade for coaching.
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That’s a big turnaround for these guys. They’ve been on the Coaches jock all year.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:34 am
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:32 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:24 am
I’m very upset at the D+ Grade for coaching.
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That’s a big turnaround for these guys. They’ve been on the Coaches jock all year.
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The + just upset me
December 24th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Does anyone at all still like Allen, or willing to give him a 2nd year, or thinks he will turn into a good HC?
Serious question. And cite reasons.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:39 am
“Coach Dennis Allen opted to go for a first down on fourth-and-4 deep in Carolina territory with 5:09 to go, treating it as a one-score game even though his kicker is Sebastian Janikowski.”
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Let’s ask ourselves one thing. Is this guy going to lead us to a Super Bowl, yes or no?
Do we actually need another season to determine whether Dennis Allen is capable of bringing a team to the Super Bowl?
Let’s just think about that one for a second.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Who cares if Pryor isn’t ready to be a QB, just get him some experience at this point. Playing him in the final game by no way means you’re opening the QB competition. Just play the dude.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:41 am
The_Judge37 Says:
Sorry, i think the Keep DeFilippo just threw me into a rage
The_Judge37 Says:
The + just upset me
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You need an eggnog (with xtra rum) this morning.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:42 am
GG Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Does anyone at all still like Allen, or willing to give him a 2nd year, or thinks he will turn into a good HC?
Serious question. And cite reasons.
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Is there any actual proof that there is really such thing as a DA supporter? Are we sure that this is not something that only exists on the internet? Ive never met one. Never talked to one. Only a few random “identities” on this blog, with arguments so weak that they couldnt truly believe what theyre saying.
DA supporters are like UFO’s.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:41 am
The_Judge37 Says:
Sorry, i think the Keep DeFilippo just threw me into a rage
The_Judge37 Says:
The + just upset me
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You need an eggnog (with xtra rum) this morning.
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Definetly need the extra NOG in it. I just convinced my self after the Cleveland game that this season can’t be worse, but it has. it’s like DA hears my frustration and picks on me further.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Denver Post Broncos @PostBroncos
Broncos now the favorites to win the Super Bowl http://dpo.st/W25TYm #broncos
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
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Not without Peyton. Just painted a bulls eye on him.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:44 am
GG Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Does anyone at all still like Allen, or willing to give him a 2nd year, or thinks he will turn into a good HC?
Serious question. And cite reasons.
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No, he’s too green, and after 15 games I can find any accomplishments or his fingerprints anywhere on this team.
Knapp singlehandedly runs the Offense into the ground. Tarver has the defense……DA????
December 24th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Jerry is still being extremely generous with the grading. Its not hard to tell that the writers “like” this staff as “people”, and are enjoying the “buddy-buddyness” of things. Im sure they are fine human beings. But that doesnt mean that theyre worth a damn when it comes to football and coaching.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Just stopped in to wish the Raider Nation a Merry Christmas. All I want is Gruden and a new coaching staff. Not a lot to ask Santa for is it?
December 24th, 2012 at 11:46 am
The only good Allen has done all year is Humiliate Rolando McClain, but Guards and Running Backs did that weekly so….
December 24th, 2012 at 11:46 am
#7 – Yeah, I think Allen deserves another year.
He’s young and he’s made mistakes.
However, by the opinion of most who have been around him, he is smart and will learn.
Possibly his biggest fault so far is being very conservative.
The guy has positives.
I know this flies in the face of those on this blog who expected a Super Bowl this year on the basis of two 8-8 years.
For those more realistic, the coaching carousel of the past 10 years hasn’t worked, so give this one another year to work out the kinks.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:46 am
7.GG Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Does anyone at all still like Allen, or willing to give him a 2nd year, or thinks he will turn into a good HC?
Serious question. And cite reasons.
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The only reason some of these knuckleheads in here want to keep DA is because of coaching continuity.
If that is the ONLY reason, then that does not say much about.
Kinda sad actually.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:47 am
John David Booty Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Jerry is still being extremely generous with the grading. Its not hard to tell that the writers “like” this staff as “people”, and are enjoying the “buddy-buddyness” of things. Im sure they are fine human beings. But that doesnt mean that theyre worth a damn when it comes to football and coaching.
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Oh yeah, they’re sooooooooo clean-cut too.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Can Dennis Allen lead us to a Super Bowl, yes or no? And if yes, what are you basing it on?
December 24th, 2012 at 11:48 am
89706Raider Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:46 am
#7 – Yeah, I think Allen deserves another year.
He’s young and he’s made mistakes.
However, by the opinion of most who have been around him, he is smart and will learn.
Possibly his biggest fault so far is being very conservative.
The guy has positives.
I know this flies in the face of those on this blog who expected a Super Bowl this year on the basis of two 8-8 years.
For those more realistic, the coaching carousel of the past 10 years hasn’t worked, so give this one another year to work out the kinks.
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Any positive so far that YOU’VE seen for yourself? No coach is going to come out to bash him publicly, so any vote of confidence from his peers is meaningless.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Coaching F – minus. For playing mind games with Pryor and breaking his spirit. TP deserves a chance to play an entire game – he’s worked hard enough for that chance. The only thing DA has to fear is that the kid will do well and further prove that he doesn’t know what hell he is doing.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:50 am
21.John David Booty Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Can Dennis Allen lead us to a Super Bowl, yes or no? And if yes, what are you basing it on?
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Like I said many times before….DA is not the one to lead this team anywhere, when you look at the big picture.
He is a waste of time. Nothing against the guy, but he should have NEVER been hired as head coach.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:52 am
89706Raider Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:46 am
#7 – Yeah, I think Allen deserves another year.
He’s young and he’s made mistakes.
However, by the opinion of most who have been around him, he is smart and will learn.
Possibly his biggest fault so far is being very conservative.
The guy has positives.
I know this flies in the face of those on this blog who expected a Super Bowl this year on the basis of two 8-8 years.
For those more realistic, the coaching carousel of the past 10 years hasn’t worked, so give this one another year to work out the kinks.
^^^^^^^^
DA as head coach is a waste of time.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:52 am
DA reminds me of Lane Kiffin.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:52 am
23.CDERaider Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Coaching F – minus. For playing mind games with Pryor and breaking his spirit. TP deserves a chance to play an entire game – he’s worked hard enough for that chance. The only thing DA has to fear is that the kid will do well and further prove that he doesn’t know what hell he is doing.
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Another reason why DA and Knapp suck!
December 24th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Why the Fk did they bring back John DeFilippo? Was his work with Jamarcus and Sanchez not enough?
December 24th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Raiders coach Dennis Allen’s day-after-game news conference begins at 1p.m. Questions for coach Allen?
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I can’t think of any. How about you guys? Tweet away.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:53 am
26.KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:52 am
DA reminds me of Lane Kiffin.
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Yep!
However, DA isn’t a douche bag like Kiffin is.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:53 am
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:47 am
John David Booty Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Jerry is still being extremely generous with the grading. Its not hard to tell that the writers “like” this staff as “people”, and are enjoying the “buddy-buddyness” of things. Im sure they are fine human beings. But that doesnt mean that theyre worth a damn when it comes to football and coaching.
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Oh yeah, they’re sooooooooo clean-cut too.
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Yep. Its sad that this is a real dynamic, but whatever, thats how business works. Corkran, who’s work I appreciate, has been completely different in how he covers Dennis Allen compared to how he covered Hue. A lot less bias. I understand that Jackson may have rubbed him the wrong way, but this is journalism for football. Not a popularity contest. Local media has been as soft on this staff as I have actually ever seen. Kinda weird when you look at it on a personal level. Jerry and Steve have both been guilty of NOT calling it like they see it this year. Monte has been a lot more honest about things.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:54 am
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:52 am
DA reminds me of Lane Kiffin.
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Is it the Weasel Face, Poor Results or his hiring of Kiffin’s staff?
December 24th, 2012 at 11:55 am
29.Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Raiders coach Dennis Allen’s day-after-game news conference begins at 1p.m. Questions for coach Allen?
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I can’t think of any. How about you guys? Tweet away.
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Yeah. Ask him why Pryor hasn’t played more and ask him if he and his coaching staff deserve to come back.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:55 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:53 am
26.KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:52 am
DA reminds me of Lane Kiffin.
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Yep!
However, DA isn’t a douche bag like Kiffin is.
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Pryor might think he’s a douchebag right now.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Can’t keep DA and then fire his Coordinators. Drop one drop all or else you’re doing what Al did which is make a HC use your (GM) staff. And they don’t want to be like AL right?
Plus, just like the constant firing of HC’s reputation, Same goes if you start firing a guys OC/DC’s and forcing your own.
So i think we all know where this is leading. An unlikely cleansing from HC to STC or Another Dirt Knapp
December 24th, 2012 at 11:57 am
So far im unimpressed with da, he hired knapp for 1(I dont care how late it was) wasnt smart enough to leave the O alone for 2 and his inability to see what we have in pryor may be his worst failing
December 24th, 2012 at 11:57 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:54 am
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:52 am
DA reminds me of Lane Kiffin.
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Is it the Weasel Face, Poor Results or his hiring of Kiffin’s staff?
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Two young know nothing’s who never paid any dues in the NFL getting HC jobs and visors.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:58 am
I for one was a supporter of Cable and Hue.
I did not want to see more change.
Many of you wanted (You know who you are); up to date schemes,more blitzing,coaches with RECENT success at other NFL jobs.
You got that with this staff. These are educated professionals far different than the likes of RR and Cable.
Simply because the result is not what you wanted does not mean we can not succeed with this group.
Some of you have chosen to dismiss my “legendary” coaches list of men who struggled mightily in their first few seasons as head coaches of struggling franchises. The point has been and continues to be that no coach or regime will be successful without GOOD TALENT RELATIVE TO NFL STANDARDS!!!
Talent is 80% and coaching is 20% of the equation.
I have selected a more recent list that may intrigue the more insightful on this blog and continues to prove the point.
Pete Carroll 7-9 First season 14-18 first TWO seasons
Mike Shanahan 6-10 First season 11-21 first TWO seasons (in Washington)
Belichick 36-44 in Cleveland 5-11 first season 16-16 first TWO seasons (in NE)
Reid 5-11 First season 16-16 first two seasons
None of these coaches faced the challenges we have in Oakland. Missing 3 of your top four picks in your first two drafts slows the building process a bit. So does being $20 million over the cap when you take the job.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:58 am
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:57 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:54 am
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:52 am
DA reminds me of Lane Kiffin.
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Is it the Weasel Face, Poor Results or his hiring of Kiffin’s staff?
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Two young know nothing’s who never paid any dues in the NFL getting HC jobs and visors.
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Ahh you decided to go with the Visor. Well done, i hate that as well.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:58 am
I for one was a supporter of Cable and Hue.
I did not want to see more change.
Many of you wanted (You know who you are); up to date schemes,more blitzing,coaches with RECENT success at other NFL jobs.
You got that with this staff. These are educated professionals far different than the likes of RR and Cable.
Simply because the result is not what you wanted does not mean we can not succeed with this group.
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With the only coach on the staff with previous experience at his position, please look up Greg Knapp’s resume and tell men when he’s ever been an educated professional who needs more time to succeed?
December 24th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Ask Dennis Allen about the brain-fart he had when he decided to go for it on 4th and 4, with 5:30 to go and all 3 timeouts, instead of kicking the FG.
Ask him what he thinks the main difference is between this seasons offense and last seasons offense, in terms of production.
Ask him what he thought about the 3 consecutive screen plays that were called, and why he thought that was going to work.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
None of these coaches faced the challenges we have in Oakland. Missing 3 of your top four picks in your first two drafts slows the building process a bit. So does being $20 million over the cap when you take the job.
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Yes, because we are the only franchise in NFL history with bad draft picks and salary cap problems.
For Fk’s sake these guys aren’t being asked to reinvent the wheel
December 24th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Here is the question to ask Dennis Allen:
Can you please give us your explanation as to why you should be retained next season?
December 24th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
35.The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Can’t keep DA and then fire his Coordinators. Drop one drop all or else you’re doing what Al did which is make a HC use your (GM) staff. And they don’t want to be like AL right?
Plus, just like the constant firing of HC’s reputation, Same goes if you start firing a guys OC/DC’s and forcing your own.
So i think we all know where this is leading. An unlikely cleansing from HC to STC or Another Dirt Knapp
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Have to do whats best for the team in the end.
If DA stays, then Knapp better go and bring in Norv to work with Palmer in a better offensive system that is more suited to out personnel strengths.
Maybe even hire a more experienced DC like Ed Donatell from the Niners to be DC.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
43.John David Booty Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Here is the question to ask Dennis Allen:
Can you please give us your explanation as to why you should be retained next season?
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Yeah, they should also ask.
Do you feel the offensive system that worked really well the past two seasons needed to be completely changed by Greg Knapp and yourself?
December 24th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
You know we wouldn’t change coaching every year if they just HIRED a REAL DAMN coach then maybe we would’ve have some countuitu…the last damn real coach we had WAS GRUDEN!!! since then we had rookie coaches or coaches we never heard of before? ?.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
A 31 yr old inexperienced kid Head Coach with tits?
Whose gonna listen to that?
December 24th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
43.John David Booty Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Here is the question to ask Dennis Allen:
Can you please give us your explanation as to why you should be retained next season?
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Yeah, they should also ask DA:
Do you feel the offensive system that worked really well the past two seasons needed to be completely changed by Greg Knapp and yourself and if so, than why?
December 24th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
46.EricTurnerR.I.P. Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
You know we wouldn’t change coaching every year if they just HIRED a REAL DAMN coach then maybe we would’ve have some countuitu…the last damn real coach we had WAS GRUDEN!!! since then we had rookie coaches or coaches we never heard of before? ?.
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True.
However, Al screwed up not keeping Cable and Hue together.
Then Mark and McK screwed up by not keeping Hue as head coach and just rebuilding the defense.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Judge
The Texans made it to the playoffs last year.
He had very good success with Vick in Atlanta and Schaub in Houston.
He graduated from Sacramento State.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
The main reason I don’t like RM is the fact he’s trying to Change. Mybeloved raiders into the damn GB ..that’s not why I became a raider in my 34 years ..the raiders were different. And against the rest of the NFL!!
December 24th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Question for DA
How would you rate your performance this season as head coach?
December 24th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Who cares if Pryor isn’t ready to be a QB, just get him some experience at this point. Playing him in the final game by no way means you’re opening the QB competition. Just play the dude.
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I’ve seen a lot of good reasons why not. Yet to see one good one why they should. And I mean based on facts, not on as a frustrated fan that desparately wants to believe the TP is the savior.
Let’s be real. The best play of his career to date was as a receiver catching a screen. Get him more plays like that sure. But under center where he actually has to make quick reads and adjustments when all of the feedback from the coaching staff says he’s not ready (aka not succeeding in practice) at doing this.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Raiders coach Dennis Allen’s day-after-game news conference begins at 1p.m. Questions for coach Allen?
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I’d like to know if there was a miscommunication or if some players lined up incorrectly on the 3rd and 1 pitch to DMAC that resulted in a 5 yard loss.
If not, that’s the worst play design and call I’ve ever seen.
I’d also ask what scoring a total of 3 points on opening drives the entire season says about Krapp’s scheming and game planning.
Course DA wouldn’t have an acceptable answer to that question and Cork wouldn’t ask it anyway.
Might get in the way of the free lunch.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I think the biggest problem Allen has as a head coach is not realizing that, as a guy with primarily a defensive background, he needed a strong, legitimate offensive coordinator to handle that side of the team.
Knapp is absolutely not the guy.
I’m hoping that Knapp was a one year placeholder, since they really didn’t have time or opportunity to get anyone better.
They’ve got a full off season this time. The search can start at around 4:30 pm next Sunday.
I’m fully expecting to hear the news of Knapp’s firing come Monday morning….
December 24th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
43.John David Booty Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Here is the question to ask Dennis Allen:
Can you please give us your explanation as to why you should be retained next season?
^^^^^^^
Yeah, they should also ask DA:
Do you feel the offensive system that worked really well the past two seasons needed to be completely changed by Greg Knapp and yourself and if so, than why?
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DA: I dont want to get into last year and the schemes they ran, all I know is the zbs is as good a any and has proven to work in many places, and I trust Gregg to run it, he has had success in this league before and I trust he’ll get this offense moving we just have to how a little patience.
Did I nail it?
December 24th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/24/rex-ryan-tiptoes-around-tebows-wildcat-tap-out/
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I guess Tebow isn’t the team player he’s been made out to be.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
We are not trying to reinvent the wheel.
My concern as is yours involves how long it will take because of a decade of bad drafts and being way over the cap at the start of this makeover.
I have said and continue to say 3-5 years WITH NO ADDITIONAL COACHING CHURN.
As I said I was concerned when Cable then Hue left.
We need some consistency in system development.
Winning is a process not a point in time.
Most of you want to change coaches every year and it simply inhibits development.
I believe the saying goes something like; insanity is defined as continuing to do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
The last ten years should tell you that changing coaches will not solve for the enormous lack of talent we have on the field.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
KoolKell Says:(about Kiffin and Allen)
Two young know nothing’s who never paid any dues in the NFL getting HC jobs and visors.
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Like Gruden, Shanarat, Tomlin, Madden…should I go on. OK, without the visors.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
The local press needs to stop giving this joker a pass and start asking him the tough questions. They are still stroking this dude because he’s not an ‘Al’ guy. They hate everything Al and will continue to blame everything on him and do what they can to usher all the Al guys out of town asap. The total attack they put on Hue last year definitely contributed to Mark’s firing. They would ask Hue trap questions and when he fell for it, they would turn them into instant hit pieces. It’s time to release the dogs on DA.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
EricTurnerR.I.P. Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
The main reason I don’t like RM is the fact he’s trying to Change. Mybeloved raiders into the damn GB ..that’s not why I became a raider in my 34 years ..the raiders were different. And against the rest of the NFL!!
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I hear ya, but that difference was and always will be Al. Without Al, there’s no way to continue that, so that next be thing is to go with proven formula that works in today’s NFL.
That is, unless you want to go find the next Al. I think Hue thought he could be that, at least based on his rebellious I’ll do whatever I want attitude. Problem is, Hue doesn’t have a fraction of the football knowledge Al did in terms of understanding both sides of the ball, evaluating talent, being able to sell players on his philosophy, innovate on cap management, and so forth.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Judge
The Texans made it to the playoffs last year.
He had very good success with Vick in Atlanta and Schaub in Houston.
He graduated from Sacramento State.
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Greg Knapp was ONLY a QB’s coach with Houston. He had nothing to do with their offensive success other than he shares the same philosophy with them. He had Vick running for his life, who’s most explosive plays came when Vick broke off from the play.
Why has he never lasted more than 3 years as an OC? Because the numbers prove his offenses regress in each year.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
“We’re here to eat, not ask tough questions”
Might be why the local Raider beat reporters NEVER break a story.
Every player transaction, coaching change, major development is ALWAYS reported on first by Schefter, the national media or another outlet.
It’s embarrassing.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
FIRE T1T5 AND THE KLAPP!
December 24th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
DA : should be shown the door. I’ve been a Raider fan since the late 60’s. This is a shame how far this franchise has fallen. I’m tired of wait till next year. Mark Davis needs to step up and make a decision. Is this how we are going to Honor the late Mr. Davis? You can say what you want about Mr. Davis, but he knew how to put a competitive team on the field. Lastly, TP should be playing!!!!!! Give the young man a chance. Take care Raider Nation.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
The main problem in the raiders org right now no one HAS ANY BALLS since the great late Al Davis!!!
December 24th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
eastoak; perfect,no need to watch presser.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Who cares if Pryor isn’t ready to be a QB, just get him some experience at this point. Playing him in the final game by no way means you’re opening the QB competition. Just play the dude.
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I’ve seen a lot of good reasons why not. Yet to see one good one why they should. And I mean based on facts, not on as a frustrated fan that desparately wants to believe the TP is the savior.
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Fact: We’re Drafting in the Top 5, Need to know what Pryor has to offer in case QB is where they want to go.
Fact: Pryor, like it or not, is our 3rd round pick.
Fact: This staff has no credibility when it comes to player evaluation.
Fact: Matt Leinert IS Matt Leinart.
Fact: Nothing to lose at this point.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Draft DE/ OLB D Moore, DT/ NT Star Lotulelie, or trade down.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Judge
What did Hue’s offense do last year down the stretch?
Check the games aginst the Fish, Chefs and Packers.
We scored 28 on the Lions last year. We scored 31 on the Steelers this year. BFD.
We never moved the ball against the Bolts when we needed to in the finale and we got beat rather handily.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
We are not trying to reinvent the wheel.
My concern as is yours involves how long it will take because of a decade of bad drafts and being way over the cap at the start of this makeover.
I have said and continue to say 3-5 years WITH NO ADDITIONAL COACHING CHURN.
As I said I was concerned when Cable then Hue left.
We need some consistency in system development.
Winning is a process not a point in time.
Most of you want to change coaches every year and it simply inhibits development.
I believe the saying goes something like; insanity is defined as continuing to do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
The last ten years should tell you that changing coaches will not solve for the enormous lack of talent we have on the field.
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You DO NOT keep losers around for the sake of continuity.
If an HC shows me some kind of progress for the future, i’ll show patience
December 24th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
50.Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Judge
The Texans made it to the playoffs last year.
He had very good success with Vick in Atlanta and Schaub in Houston.
He graduated from Sacramento State.
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Vicks talents made Knapp look better than he was. Knapp was just a QB coach in Houston. He didn’t call the plays.
Knapp is a bad retread and he sucks.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Judge
What did Hue’s offense do last year down the stretch?
Check the games aginst the Fish, Chefs and Packers.
We scored 28 on the Lions last year. We scored 31 on the Steelers this year. BFD.
We never moved the ball against the Bolts when we needed to in the finale and we got beat rather handily.
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Keep saying What did Hue do down the stretch, but what has DA done at any point this season? Wasn’t Hue in the same situation DA is in now with Salary cap and bad players? Where’s his “Pass”?
Hue’s gone, that’s fine. But doesn’t mean we should be satisfied by what’s gone on this season because our last HC couldn’t close out the Playoff run.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
No excuses for Allen in 2013 if Reggie:
1) Addresses the oline
2) Addresses the front seven
3) Acquires vet WR
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Also
4) Allen fires Knapp and brings in legit OC and oline coach
December 24th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
73.The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Judge
What did Hue’s offense do last year down the stretch?
Check the games aginst the Fish, Chefs and Packers.
We scored 28 on the Lions last year. We scored 31 on the Steelers this year. BFD.
We never moved the ball against the Bolts when we needed to in the finale and we got beat rather handily.
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Keep saying What did Hue do down the stretch, but what has DA done at any point this season? Wasn’t Hue in the same situation DA is in now with Salary cap and bad players? Where’s his “Pass”?
Hue’s gone, that’s fine. But doesn’t mean we should be satisfied by what’s gone on this season because our last HC couldn’t close out the Playoff run.
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The Hue haters and DA and Knapp defenders are so freakin pathetic.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Should be no excuses for this debacle of a season either. They could’ve shown something positive this year, didn’t have to make the playoffs but damm, Two games with out a TD? 6 FG’s outside the redzone?
December 24th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
89706Raider Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:46 am
#7 – Yeah, I think Allen deserves another year.
He’s young and he’s made mistakes.
However, by the opinion of most who have been around him, he is smart and will learn.
Possibly his biggest fault so far is being very conservative.
The guy has positives.
I know this flies in the face of those on this blog who expected a Super Bowl this year on the basis of two 8-8 years.
For those more realistic, the coaching carousel of the past 10 years hasn’t worked, so give this one another year to work out the kinks.
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Nah. Nobody expected Super Bowl. That’s a stretch intended to make people look foolish for expecting a team coming off 8-8 seasons to not be the laughingstock of the league. Forget SB. How about just being somewhwat competitive and not have to endure double didgit losses every dang week.
Is that too much too ask?
C’mon.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
All i ask for is progress and i’ll show patience. At this point, just stop the regression
December 24th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
I’m sorry but I just don’t believe in the concept of draft picks set u back mentality ..I mean u have other players been there longer then who u draft that should know what the hell to do or how to play the damn game!!! Its a excuse if u ask me!!
December 24th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Judge
What did Hue’s offense do last year down the stretch?
Check the games aginst the Fish, Chefs and Packers.
We scored 28 on the Lions last year. We scored 31 on the Steelers this year. BFD.
We never moved the ball against the Bolts when we needed to in the finale and we got beat rather handily.
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8-8 vs. 4-11.
Spin it anyway which way you want …it is what it is.
No spinning makes it any better, and last season was harder schedule.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
71.The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
We are not trying to reinvent the wheel.
My concern as is yours involves how long it will take because of a decade of bad drafts and being way over the cap at the start of this makeover.
I have said and continue to say 3-5 years WITH NO ADDITIONAL COACHING CHURN.
As I said I was concerned when Cable then Hue left.
We need some consistency in system development.
Winning is a process not a point in time.
Most of you want to change coaches every year and it simply inhibits development.
I believe the saying goes something like; insanity is defined as continuing to do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
The last ten years should tell you that changing coaches will not solve for the enormous lack of talent we have on the field.
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You DO NOT keep losers around for the sake of continuity.
If an HC shows me some kind of progress for the future, i’ll show patience
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Yep….you don’t keep bad coaches around just for continuity sake. It’s a waste of time.
DA and his staff didn’t show any progress this year.
After the Atlanta game they should have kept improving, but they regressed badly.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
After the Atlanta game they should have kept improving, but they regressed badly.
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Yes, if we were at least 4-11 with losing close games, sure, i’d look foward to see what they can do next year with a few breaks their way. But blow out after blow out along with not scoring a TD against the worst team in the nfl, then a follow up of Lame Duck Leinart show with only 2 FG’s with two Turnovers deep in their territory. Oh, and losing to the Cleveland Browns at hom
December 24th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
If we are talking what the offense did down the stretch, what about THIS YEAR?
My goodness, it’s horrible.
I’m not sticking up for Hue, but let’s not try to sell this carp for anything other than what it is….
December 24th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
If we are talking what the offense did down the stretch, what about THIS YEAR?
My goodness, it’s horrible.
I’m not sticking up for Hue, but let’s not try to sell this carp for anything other than what it is….
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Exactly. Hating what’s going on this season has nothing to do with Hue
December 24th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
76.The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Should be no excuses for this debacle of a season either. They could’ve shown something positive this year, didn’t have to make the playoffs but damm, Two games with out a TD? 6 FG’s outside the redzone?
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After an two 8-8 seasons….DA and his staff couldn’t get this this team to compete.
They were ill prepared for games and they couldn’t make adjustments in the 2nd half of games.
Just so many soooo many mistakes with this coaching staff.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
What did Hue’s offense do last year down the stretch?
We never moved the ball against the Bolts when we needed to in the finale and we got beat rather handily.
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Hue offense was ranked 9th in the league lat year period, what are we this year?
We kiiled SD for the most part last year but our D couldnt force 1 punt in the finale in which we put up over 500 yards of offense without DMC
What did Hue do down the stretch? what has DA done in any stretch? and he has had DMC almost the whole year, its obivious DMC is not giving full effort and doesnt like this scheme or the coaches ala Randy Moss.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
STEVE CORKRAN
QUESTIONS FOR DENNIS ALLEN FROM GG
Q: Mr Allen, at any stage this season, have you contemplated stripping Greg Knapp of play-calling duties?
Q: Will you be retaining Greg Knapp next season as OC, or will you be interviewing new candidates?
Q: Instead of hiring Greg Knapp as OC, why didn’t you promote Al Saunders and continue in place the existing offense?
Q: Do you agree that smart coaches tailor an offense around the rosters strengths and skills?
Q: Do you think that the coaches have failed this season to utilize more all the playmakers on the offensive roster — involving them in more plays and packages that suit their skill sets, that not only keep your offense more unpredictable, but that also help those young players gain more confidence, experience, feel more enthused being involved, and speeds up their development.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Sack Knapp!
December 24th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
This offense has showed ZERO progress from opening night against SD, ZERO!!!
December 24th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Questions for Dennis Allen from the Judge:
Q: Why don’t you go Fk yourself?
Q: Hey what are you still doing here, I though i told you to go Fk youself?
December 24th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
#90 lol.
How about: “Hey Dennis, show us yer tits”
December 24th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Guess we ran Charlies DA loving ass outta here.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
The point I keep trying to make is that coaching “success” or progress has far more to do with on the field talent as opposed to scheme, motivation or in game adjustments and play calls.
The examples I have showed you are proven “winners” who started off poorly TILL THEY GOT BETTER TALENT.
I am not saying for a minute that DA reminds me of Gruden or Madden or Bilichick or Shanahan.
What I am saying is that our talent level is far lower than many of you care to accept. Compound that with key injuries and you have a recipe for disaster. Hue corrected his one big injury by taking away key draft picks. Do you think we would have been 8-8 with Bollar? He also had Bush to cover for Dmac. With all the cap issues we could not afford Bush. All Hue did was mortgage our future a bit more than Mr Davis did.
That is why no experinced HC would come near this place and it is why DA has a 4 year deal.
This is a 3-5 year project.
With an 8-8 team being $20 million over the cap and no first or second round picks how would we get better in one year?
December 24th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
82.The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
After the Atlanta game they should have kept improving, but they regressed badly.
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Yes, if we were at least 4-11 with losing close games, sure, i’d look foward to see what they can do next year with a few breaks their way. But blow out after blow out along with not scoring a TD against the worst team in the nfl, then a follow up of Lame Duck Leinart show with only 2 FG’s with two Turnovers deep in their territory. Oh, and losing to the Cleveland Browns at hom
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It just shows me that most of this team doesn’t give a crap and did not buy what DA and his crappy coaches were selling. It’s obvious.
The team always came out unprepared for games and the coaching staff hardly ever made proper in game, let alone half time adjustments!
December 24th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Greg Papa, now on the Game: Terrell Pryor is only capable of a handful of plays. He is now not capable of a 60 plays playbook, and I don’t think he will ever be capable. Watching Pryor in practice before Carolina game, he was doing everything wrong. 3 step drops he would still drop back 5 steps. fundamentals are all wrong. Even the trick play they ran during the game I didn’t think they would even run because Pryor kept throwing it short to Palmer, bouncing the ball.
Asked what he would do with Pryor:
Papa: “trade him.”
December 24th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
How about my Lakers schooling the W’s again??
That loss hurts the W’s fans here. I know it! haha
Merry Xmas chumps! Lol
December 24th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
91. GG – You’re questions were better, except i can already hear the mumblings of an extremly generic answer.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
95.RaiderIsland Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Greg Papa, now on the Game: Terrell Pryor is only capable of a handful of plays. He is now not capable of a 60 plays playbook, and I don’t think he will ever be capable. Watching Pryor in practice before Carolina game, he was doing everything wrong. 3 step drops he would still drop back 5 steps. fundamentals are all wrong. Even the trick play they ran during the game I didn’t think they would even run because Pryor kept throwing it short to Palmer, bouncing the ball.
Asked what he would do with Pryor:
Papa: “trade him.”
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Reason he is only capable of handful of plays is because he does not get any reps.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
“At midseason, most fans were blaming Tim Ruskell for this lost Seahawks season. Well, he’s gone now and the Hawks have only gotten worse, so now those No. 1 fan fingers are pointing directly at coach Jim Mora.
And Mora’s foam finger should be pointing at his offensive coordinator.
There’s a good reason most of us greeted Greg Knapp with a yawn and dismissive wave of the hand (with fingers crossed in hope) when Mora brought his old 49er and Falcon buddy to Seattle. Knapp’s offenses have been like Geo Metros: They run fine, but they can’t pass.
Whatever they do, the Seahawks have to get rid of Knapp. If he comes back in 2010, it will be more of the same offensive dysfunction. And Mora will have sealed his fate through his allegiance to a failed offensive coach .”
Part of Article RE : Greg Knapp with seattle
December 24th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Obviously deluding himself, Knapp told reporters Wednesday that his players still believe in him and his system.
“Most definitely,” he said. “A lot of it, too, is just growth with each other. What do certain guys do well? A lot of times that doesn’t occur until games when you find out which plays are good for which individuals…with me getting to know what routes are best for certain receivers and tight ends and the more reps we get of that, the closer we’ll get to being more consistent.”
OK, but Knapp has had a full season to figure out what everyone does well, and the offense has only gotten worse. There has been zero growth. None. Nada. Zip. Diddly squat.
In the first half of the season, Knapp had the built-in excuse of injuries to his offensive line, which at one point was down to its fifth left tackle and third left guard. But the Hawks have been pretty healthy in the second half, and they have been blown out in almost every game.”
RE: GREG KNAPP in his 2nd season with seattle. Article on him right before JIM MORA/ KNAPP were canned for PETE CARROLL
December 24th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Guess we ran Charlies DA loving ass outta here.
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Uh guess not.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Seems many were right about Pryor.
The coaches see it. The voice of the Raiders, Greg Papa sees it.
Some of you fools keep whining about how good Pryor is, how he’s ready, how he should be starting.
He’s not playing for one simple reason, he’s just not ready. And might never be.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
The point I keep trying to make is that coaching “success” or progress has far more to do with on the field talent as opposed to scheme, motivation or in game adjustments and play calls.
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My point is there has been no success or progress made this year. Why waste another just for the sake of continuity. I’d rather they just make a good, proven choice at HC to get us out of the losing culture while they fix the roster and cap. Then you can experiment with young coaches who can either be Mike Tomlin’s or Raheem Morris’s
December 24th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
East Oak.
See my post 93.
Much more of a talent issue than a coaching issue.
Have to take into account injuries as well.
Especially someone who seems to support superior line play as much as you I am surprised you do not see our issues on both lines. Further, paying Kelly and Seymour like All pros was not Reggie’s doing.
Simply not problems that can be fixed quickly.
Have a nice holiday.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
BTW its been horrible the way they have used little wiz this year.
Frank pollack? ya that guy is a joke making Wiz C.
Veldehere / Wiz at Guard were crushing it last year. Now this zbs crap comes and fackk with what these guy have been learning
December 24th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
95.RaiderIsland Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Greg Papa, now on the Game: Terrell Pryor is only capable of a handful of plays. He is now not capable of a 60 plays playbook, and I don’t think he will ever be capable. Watching Pryor in practice before Carolina game, he was doing everything wrong. 3 step drops he would still drop back 5 steps. fundamentals are all wrong. Even the trick play they ran during the game I didn’t think they would even run because Pryor kept throwing it short to Palmer, bouncing the ball.
Asked what he would do with Pryor:
Papa: “trade him.”
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Reason he is only capable of handful of plays is because he does not get any reps.
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What?
He gets reps all the time. In practice. Like everyone else. Don’t confuse practice reps with game reps. If you can’t get it done during practice, you aren’t getting your shot during a game.
Basic math.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
93.Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
The point I keep trying to make is that coaching “success” or progress has far more to do with on the field talent as opposed to scheme, motivation or in game adjustments and play calls.
The examples I have showed you are proven “winners” who started off poorly TILL THEY GOT BETTER TALENT.
I am not saying for a minute that DA reminds me of Gruden or Madden or Bilichick or Shanahan.
What I am saying is that our talent level is far lower than many of you care to accept. Compound that with key injuries and you have a recipe for disaster. Hue corrected his one big injury by taking away key draft picks. Do you think we would have been 8-8 with Bollar? He also had Bush to cover for Dmac. With all the cap issues we could not afford Bush. All Hue did was mortgage our future a bit more than Mr Davis did.
That is why no experinced HC would come near this place and it is why DA has a 4 year deal.
This is a 3-5 year project.
With an 8-8 team being $20 million over the cap and no first or second round picks how would we get better in one year?
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Old man Al was always over the cap and worked around the cap.
Like I said. Keeping Hue would have kept this team more competitive, because the offense would have not been touched except for Bush being let go realy.
Hue would have used Reece to replace Bush and keep him as more of weapon with DMC in the game.
McK and Hue could have just worked on rebuilding the defense with a better DC and work with the cap.
Instead they decidee to tear the whole damn building down and when they do that, they hire bad choice as head coach to exasperate the problem.
Ugh….bad decisions all around.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
How about my Lakers schooling the W’s again??
That loss hurts the W’s fans here. I know it! haha
Merry Xmas chumps! Lol
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Just shows how far yall have fallin, rejoicing near loss victories over the dubs(without Bogut) the faker demise will be fun to watch over the next three years.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
chuck Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Not playing Pryor shows the new regime motives,they rather lose than play an al Davis player scared he might do good.I bet Pryor can average more than 3 yards a catch and not give up on a 4th down play.
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agreed
December 24th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Judge.
I understand your point. No one with experience will come here. I really get it but Oakland is a resume killer.
We got a young guy with good recommendations to take a shot.He got a four year deal or he stays in Denver. Who would take this job for less?
Somebody with options like Gruden would laugh at this mess. He can make as much broadcasting.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
106.RaiderIsland Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
95.RaiderIsland Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Greg Papa, now on the Game: Terrell Pryor is only capable of a handful of plays. He is now not capable of a 60 plays playbook, and I don’t think he will ever be capable. Watching Pryor in practice before Carolina game, he was doing everything wrong. 3 step drops he would still drop back 5 steps. fundamentals are all wrong. Even the trick play they ran during the game I didn’t think they would even run because Pryor kept throwing it short to Palmer, bouncing the ball.
Asked what he would do with Pryor:
Papa: “trade him.”
^^^^^^^^
Reason he is only capable of handful of plays is because he does not get any reps.
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What?
He gets reps all the time. In practice. Like everyone else. Don’t confuse practice reps with game reps. If you can’t get it done during practice, you aren’t getting your shot during a game.
Basic math.
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Huh?
The kid doesn’t get enough meaningful reps with 1st teamers in practice or in games and when he is in there he is not utilized correctly.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
East Oak.
See my post 93.
Much more of a talent issue than a coaching issue.
Have to take into account injuries as well.
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This team has only been prepared to play two games, the Pit game and Falcons game. That’s 2 out of 15. We know we lack talent, our grip is that now the coaching is just as equally the problem, if not more.
Remember we have a young team, so they need proper coaching.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
It was nice seeing Mike Mitchell Blitz the Fccck out of Scam Newton and take him down.. then Mitchell got up and point at Scam hahaha
BTW did anyone here Desmond Bryant go all psycho beast mode at Cam in the 3rd quartrer? He couldnt be blocked and was screaming at Cam b4 the play started haha. Was going crazy even after that sack .. Kelly was getting into a fight with cam and Bryant didnt even notice.. was just all fired up.
Was awesome
DESMOND BRYANT is an ANIMAL on SUNDAYS.. No doubt about it this line is missing that speed rusher Kamerion wimbley on third downs. He made the entire line better even with his qb pressures.. freed up other guys like bryant/ kelly / shonasty
December 24th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Papa has been sabotaged
December 24th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Judge.
I understand your point. No one with experience will come here. I really get it but Oakland is a resume killer.
We got a young guy with good recommendations to take a shot.He got a four year deal or he stays in Denver. Who would take this job for less?
Somebody with options like Gruden would laugh at this mess. He can make as much broadcasting.
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Oakland is the opposite of a Resume Killer because there’s nothing to lose here. If you contiue the losing then it’s the Franchise’s Dysfunction’s fault. If you get them to improve even slightly then you’re a miracle worker.
Didn’t kill Norv’s career, or Kiffin’s, has given Cable a ton of respect throught the league.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
110.Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Judge.
I understand your point. No one with experience will come here. I really get it but Oakland is a resume killer.
We got a young guy with good recommendations to take a shot.He got a four year deal or he stays in Denver. Who would take this job for less?
Somebody with options like Gruden would laugh at this mess. He can make as much broadcasting.
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Should have went after Del Rio.
Has roots in the East Bay Area, and grew up a Raider fan. Like Cable, he would have cared about the inter division rivalries and had this team prepared to battle division rivals at least.
Del Rio would be a respected leader of men in that locker room as well.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
112.The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
East Oak.
See my post 93.
Much more of a talent issue than a coaching issue.
Have to take into account injuries as well.
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This team has only been prepared to play two games, the Pit game and Falcons game. That’s 2 out of 15. We know we lack talent, our grip is that now the coaching is just as equally the problem, if not more.
Remember we have a young team, so they need proper coaching.
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Exactly!
Heck, if Gruden can’t be had….I would take Del Rio now to replace DA and then Del Rio can’t get Norv as his OC.
Then Del Rio can hire a legit DC also.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
For instance…
If it’s true what he says.
Pryor supposedly bounced the ball short of Palmer in practice.
But in a live game, he didn’t, and made a great play with ball in hand.
Nor did he throw the ball at the knees of Reece in the swing pass. Nor did he throw the ball 20 feet out the sideline.
There’s a huge difference between practice reps and live game reps.
As Reggie said….”I need to see him on the field, more than a handful of plays, to properly evaluate him.”
Reggie is either BS’ing lip-service, and Allen is his mouth-piece and right-hand man….or….Reggie wants Allen to give him Pryor for a whole half or so in week 17.
I have a feeling Reggie is in cahoots because he is invisible, asleep, and has been all 16 weeks so far. Only doing his ‘closed table’ PC when Mark’s post-saints PC FORCED Reggie to say something. And in it, all he did was BS and deflect himself.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
We can certainly blame many things on the this staff, but for the life of me I can not understand how someone can second-guess the going for the 4th and 4 with 5 minutes left.
At that point, it had been almost 20 drives and 115 minutes of football time since we scored a TD.
Who in their right mind would think we could get the ball back with maybe 3 minutes or so left, and drive the length of the field to score a game-winning TD?
That was our chance, right there. You have to try it, kicking a FG would have been the biggest puzzy move of the season, IMO.
Coach knew we had ZERO CHANCE of scoring a TD later in the game.
Absolutely zero chance. It was the right call with our crappy offense. Other offenses, sure you kick the FG. Maybe with Palmer in the game you kick the FG.
Leinart driving the length of the field on the road for a game-winning TD?
LMAO!!! You should punch yourself in the face for thinking that is even plausible.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
East Oak.
See my post 93.
Much more of a talent issue than a coaching issue.
Have to take into account injuries as well.
Especially someone who seems to support superior line play as much as you I am surprised you do not see our issues on both lines. Further, paying Kelly and Seymour like All pros was not Reggie’s doing.
Simply not problems that can be fixed quickly.
Have a nice holiday.
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The “talent” excuse is played out chuck, we have largely the same starters on O and we were a few Def plays away from being in the playoffs just 1 short year ago, you gotta get real man Knapp destroyed the continuity of our O just to do it his way and Reggie and DA stood by and let him do it they are equally resposible for the offensive failures.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
108.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
How about my Lakers schooling the W’s again??
That loss hurts the W’s fans here. I know it! haha
Merry Xmas chumps! Lol
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Just shows how far yall have fallin, rejoicing near loss victories over the dubs(without Bogut) the faker demise will be fun to watch over the next three years.
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haha…you blew it…get over it!
Lakers will always be a better franchise than the W’s..deal with it!
December 24th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
I wish we had kept Cable or Hue.
The Reggie quote says it all. Our cap situation is the worst it has ever been and Hue cost us critical picks though I understand why it was done.
Reggie
“Guys, I mean what happened this offseason, I don’t wish that on anybody, maybe the other teams in our division. That was a struggle, especially coming in here as a rookie GM. I remember talking to Ted Thompson. His rookie year he was able to get Charles Woodson. I would have liked to have done that. I talked to guys all around the league. I didn’t realize what the situation, how difficult and what other people thought about it. When you get the job people call and say, ‘What are you going to do with that cap? You’re all what over the cap. How are you going to do that?”
The fact of the matter is that Mr Davis kept “kicking the can down the road”.
The charade had to stop after 10 years of futility.
The problem was not created overnight and it will not get fixed overnight. It is a far greater and more compex problem that simply selecting a coaching staff.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
TP should be getting more reps, no doubt.
But you can’t just start him and give him a bunch of drives if he isn’t earning it in practice.
What if he goes out and completely fails for the first half? Do you bench him for Leinart in the 2nd half? You let him pull a Jamarcus in the ATL game and go 3 quarters without a first down?
As bad as Leinart was, it could be worse. We have seen worse, and worse usually is do to inexperience.
More series and reps sprinkled in, and if there is success you build on it.
Although, I think this staff doesn’t want to be bothered with developing some other GM’s project, which is par for the course in all of the NFL.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Wait why should they trade PRYOR?? he is a number 3 quarterback making league MIN??? right? why trade him?
If Im reggie Mckenzie I go to Pryor and tell his candy azz to learn 3-5 basic WR routes. USE HIS ATHLETICISM. Make hims a RZ Target. This kid led his highschool to State football and basketball championships.
6ft5 240 pounds that can run a 4.3 and u want to trade him? No way. Go back and look at some film in college.. he Had a few Catches and one for a TD in a bowl game vs texas. He just out jumped the defender and “Mossed” him. B4 u trade him Lets see what you can get out of him. He is a number 3rd qb.
Believe me.. if he is cut or traded another team will entually tell the kid u have to switch posistions if u want to get on the field.. and he will shine for them. Watch. 23 yrs old
December 24th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
We’re just lucky we play in the same division as the Chiefs, otherwise we’d be 2-13.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
The problem was not created overnight and it will not get fixed overnight. It is a far greater and more compex problem that simply selecting a coaching staff.
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But it starts there. This is simply dragging your feet until you can get everything your way.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Does anyone agree with my post above Re pryor???
December 24th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
All i ask for is progress and i’ll show patience. At this point, just stop the regression
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He11, just slow down the regression, even maintain the regression. At least try to curb the acceleration of the regression.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Judge
I would love to get Gruden or DelRio.
Just remember how they fared as their talent levels declined due to injury and age and poor drafts.
They both got fired. They are not miracle workers.
It goes back to what I said earlier.
I think our big difference is not that I support the present staff. I simply think our talent level is far below NFL average while it has been compensated at an AllPro level.
No coach can over come that in the short term.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Does anyone agree with my post above Re pryor???
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I do. Good post.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Does anyone agree with my post above Re pryor???
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Yes, like it or not he’s our 3rd round pick. If you have no plans or faith for him to be a QB, then change his position. Why string him along? He’s not a cap hit, he’s not a team cancer, just a freak athlete who needs to learn how to play NFL football. And he’s not going to learn it form John “I taught Jamarcus Russell and Mark Sanches everything they know” DeFilippo
December 24th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
All i ask for is progress and i’ll show patience. At this point, just stop the regression
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He11, just slow down the regression, even maintain the regression. At least try to curb the acceleration of the regression.
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Now you’re just asking too much, easy on the Nog over there buddy
December 24th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
After yesterday, we own the no. 3 pick. Not sure why all this doom and gloom out here. The loss also exposed the ineptness of the coaching staff yet again, no TD’s in 9 or 10 quarters now??? so if nothing else by next Monday morning, we will own the no. 3 pick which should be Teo, and Knapp, Hoffman, Tarver, Pollack and hopefully DA will be out the door. Glass is half full after yesterday.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
108.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
How about my Lakers schooling the W’s again??
That loss hurts the W’s fans here. I know it! haha
Merry Xmas chumps! Lol
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Just shows how far yall have fallin, rejoicing near loss victories over the dubs(without Bogut) the faker demise will be fun to watch over the next three years.
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haha…you blew it…get over it!
Lakers will always be a better franchise than the W’s..deal with it!
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LOL like they were before Kobe,Shaq. My how we forget, lets go back a lil bit. Elden Campbell Nick Van Excel Eddie jones, LOL you guys sucked after Magic retired and then you lucked into Kobe, and now that he will be retiring in a few yall will go back to the bottom of the barrel and will be forced to watch the Clips and Dubs dominate for years to come. Merry Xmas chump:)
December 24th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
We can certainly blame many things on the this staff, but for the life of me I can not understand how someone can second-guess the going for the 4th and 4 with 5 minutes left.
At that point, it had been almost 20 drives and 115 minutes of football time since we scored a TD.
Who in their right mind would think we could get the ball back with maybe 3 minutes or so left, and drive the length of the field to score a game-winning TD?
That was our chance, right there. You have to try it, kicking a FG would have been the biggest puzzy move of the season, IMO.
Coach knew we had ZERO CHANCE of scoring a TD later in the game.
Absolutely zero chance. It was the right call with our crappy offense. Other offenses, sure you kick the FG. Maybe with Palmer in the game you kick the FG.
Leinart driving the length of the field on the road for a game-winning TD?
LMAO!!! You should punch yourself in the face for thinking that is even plausible.
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Was Leinart not the QB when they drove down the field to get into FG range? Interesting.
By not taking the automatic points, to make the score 14-9 with 5:30 to go, all 3 timeouts and the 2 minute warning, DA gave the team even LESS of a chance. That is simple probability.
Perhaps the punch in the face should be saved for you. It might do your brain some good.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
TP = winner !
December 24th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Look Charlie, I know we don’t have great talent. But we have young guys who should be taught. Not just can eveyone that was drafted or signed by the old man which is what’s going on here. Teach them how to play football. This staff is not doing that. They’re putting their jobs on hold until they get their players and that’s not right.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
East Oak
As I said to judge, I would love to get Gruden or Del Rio.
Neither of those guys was able to overcome a lack of talent. They both got fired and I think they are talented coaches.
I think our big difference is that I believe we have a bad combination of paying below average talent like All Pros. As a result this is a multi year fix because it involves cap and talent problems.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Oh and BTW, the wide receivers coach Ted Gilmore needs to go as well. This clown turned 2 budding wr’s in Moore and DHB into the worst WR combo in the league. I mean I don’t think I have ever seen more drops ever from this sorry bunch spearheaded by this clown.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Carson Palmer suffered broken ribs, bruised lung, and spent the night in a local hospital. He will not play Sunday against Chargers.
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Coach Dennis Allen said Matt Leinart and Terrelle Pryor will be considered for starting in place of injured QB Carson Palmer.
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Instead of???Shane?
December 24th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
And what the he11 kind of X-ray machine they got at Panther stadium anyway?
December 24th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Or do we bring our own?
December 24th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Judge and East Oak
Have a nice holiday. I need to run.
I hope for a quick turnaround just like you guys. Maybe we get lucky in the later rounds in the draft next year?
My fear is this will take till 2014 regardless of who is our HC.
I really hope I am wrong.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Carson Palmer suffered broken ribs, bruised lung, and spent the night in a local hospital. He will not play Sunday against Chargers.
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Coach Dennis Allen said Matt Leinart and Terrelle Pryor will be considered for starting in place of injured QB Carson Palmer.
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Instead of???Shane?
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You might be on to something, He is a FA next year, gotta see what he’s got right?
December 24th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Leinart proved all his naysayers right yesterday. He is every bit the loser people make him out to be. Need to get rid of his worthless @$$ and trade for either Flynn or Cousins and start a real QB competition with CP3 in the offseason.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Perhaps the punch in the face should be saved for you. It might do your brain some good.
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Hey I know we haven’t scored a TD in almost two full games, so let’s kick another FG and pass on this potential 30 yard drive, BECAUSE OUR NEXT DRIVE, yup that has TD all over it, even though we wil have to go further with less time.
LMAO
December 24th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
143, I hope your wrong too. Just win, i don’t care who does it, just do it. Merry Xmas
December 24th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Don’t trust this staff’s evaluations.
They’ve been trying to force players into a system. They’ve made everyone look bad pretty much.
Dmac we’ve seen proof he can be a baller. But has looked pathetic this year. If we never saw Dmac before we’d think he outright sucks.
Are we to therefore trust their evaluation/reasons for Taiwan, Pryor, Ausberry?
Taiwan they say constantly drops the ball. But last year, he had 16 carries for 73 yards and never fumbled. Nor has he this year. The fumbled end-around exchange is always blamed on the one handing-off (reece). Taiwan has fumbled just once in two years (which was the fake punt reception).
Look at Dmac’s fumble numbers in his entire time here. In the first two years he had something like 20 fumbles.
Pryor they say isn’t ready and they make it out like every time he drops back he is throwing the ball into the ground, ball slipping out of his hands, throwing ducks all the time, not taking right steps, cant command the huddle etc.
But we saw him in extended action in pre-season and he wasn’t retarded like they say. Plus he got better the more extended time he saw. We’ve also seen him in limited snaps last two weeks and he wasn’t retarded. Pryor himself says his footwork is excellent now, and that he knows the entire playbook, etc. So Pryor is informing RN that he is ready, while Papa and others are sabotaging him by being shills for Allen/Knapp who can spread all this crap about him being retarded.
While Ausberry, he’s been completely shelved as tho he is retarded. Don’t hear anyone asking coaches about why he isnt seeing action. But i bet they’ll say he isn’t ready and is dropping the ball and looking retarded. But the limited action we’ve seen him in real games, he has been dangerous and not retarded.
I DO NOT TRUST this staff. There’s an agenda for sure. I want them either fired before they release all these players. Or, that Mark hires Ray Anderson to the P of FO asap, before off-season, before Reggie/Allen can start gutting the roster.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
This is actually great news, CP3 is done. D, U, N, DUN. Not worth bringing him back, trade for Flynn or Cousins maybe both.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
TP should be getting more reps, no doubt.
But you can’t just start him and give him a bunch of drives if he isn’t earning it in practice.
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That just it, I dont trust these coaches, and they arent even using Pryor the correct way. Do they see how Wilson, Kappy, RGIII,or Cam is used? Bring in some of that college O an give the kid a shot with it. Even Tebow did ok with it last year.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
And what the he11 kind of X-ray machine they got at Panther stadium anyway?
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It was the X-Let’s see if we got a cheap replacement QB so we can cut Palmer Next year” Machine.
Results came back negative.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
“Cam Newton is a nightmare to play against. Guys with his speed, size and skill don’t just fall into your lap” – Dennis Allen.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
I’m sure TP6 can excel in the read option offense, the kind of offense you don’t need to learn about 3 or 5 step drops except Knapp is too stuck in his ways and it will never happen until he gets the boot.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Does anyone agree with my post above Re pryor???
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Yes, TP looked more comy catching the pass from Palmer then throwing it to him.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
If the goal was to play Pryor as much as possible, they should have canned the staff a month ago and put in a puppet to do so.
You can’t have the owner give the HC a public ultimatum to “show progress” and at the same time demand he play a QB who has thrown two NFL passes now.
Conflict of interest.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
One player from each unit who is a must keep…regardless of contract:
Qb Palmer
Rb Reese
Wr Streater
Ol Veldheer
Te Ausberry
Dl Houston
Lb wheeler
Db Huff
St Jano
What say you?
December 24th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
One player from each unit who is a must keep…regardless of contract:
Qb Palmer
Rb Reese
Wr Streater
Ol Veldheer
Te Ausberry
Dl Houston
Lb wheeler
Db Huff
St Jano
What say you?
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Moore over Streeter, Branch over Huff.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
I saw Ausberry get more reps then he has of late.
Leinart just didn’t look his way.
I would bet he played more yesterday then he did the previous month.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
51 points in 4 games, and we didn’t score a TD in our last 2 games.
Eff him and his system that needs more time. Hire a new OC!
December 24th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
And Palmer got hurt on his own valor.
He held the ball for like 5 seconds, when McFadden was open enough immediately to get the needed 1 yard.
Rolling out, stopping, dodging a guy and then recollecting??
Who does he think he is playing for?
I wouldn’t at all be mad if that was his last play as a Raider. He doesn’t have “it”.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
d+…lmao…these guys (jerry and cork) arent even ashamed…
December 24th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I don’t know if I can stomach watching the offense if Leinert starts. Be honest … before he got here, 95% of fans laughed at his weanie arm and pathetic play. Best thing he ever did after college was get caught with co-eds at an Az frat party.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
d+…lmao…these guys (jerry and cork) arent even ashamed…
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I personally was extremely offended by the + sign
December 24th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Perhaps the punch in the face should be saved for you. It might do your brain some good.
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Hey I know we haven’t scored a TD in almost two full games, so let’s kick another FG and pass on this potential 30 yard drive, BECAUSE OUR NEXT DRIVE, yup that has TD all over it, even though we wil have to go further with less time.
LMAO
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What exactly is so funny?
This comment has proven that you are the type to just speak without even thinking, so going forward, I’ll more than likely ignore your posts.
But I just wanted to pick apart YOUR words:
“Hey I know we haven’t scored a TD in almost two full games”
So, by your logic, they should NOT have tried to go for a TD on 4th and 4 either, because they havent scored a TD in almost 2 games.
You just contradicted your whole point, in the very first sentence of your weak rebuttal.
You know nothing about football, you have proven such.
5:30 minutes to go, 3 timeouts and the 2 minute warning, down 8, with a chance to cut it to 5. You advocate going all or nothing at this point in the game. Glad youre not our coach. Or maybe you are. Dennis, is that you?
December 24th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
ColoradoRaiderFan Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I don’t know if I can stomach watching the offense if Leinert starts. Be honest … before he got here, 95% of fans laughed at his weanie arm and pathetic play. Best thing he ever did after college was get caught with co-eds at an Az frat party.
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So you don’t like 20 yard Hail Mary’s? At least it looks like we might go deep when he starts his heave
December 24th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Palmer out with broken ribs. If Pryor doesn’t start the Nation will and should erupt! DA says he will ‘consider’ either for the start.. You know what that means…
December 24th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Can only hope Leinart breaks a finger on his throwing hand during practice.
Force Allen to start Pryor.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
You put DMAC with Pryor at QB running the zone read with power run blocking – the offense will suddenly come alive.. Pryor does throw a good deep ball something that Moore and Streater could run under. Otherwise just short controlled passing to Reece and Myers..
December 24th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Looking on the bright side?
Leinert starts, we lose by 35. Norv keeps his job and the Chargers continue to suck.
Crap. Is it time for pitchers and catcher to report yet?
December 24th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Then again, they’ll probably IR Palmer this week, and sign another QB, then play him back-up behind Leinart, with Pryor still #3.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
GG Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Can only hope Leinart breaks a finger on his throwing hand during practice.
Force Allen to start Pryor.
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Or maybe Kalif Barnes let’s his man right on thru in the 1st play of the game?
Ahhh who am i kidding, of course he’s going to let him thru
December 24th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
What happened to Criner? Is he still hurt? Didn’t he do well with TP in the preseason?
December 24th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
LETS GO A’S CANT WAIT FOR A REAL TEAM TO PLAY
December 24th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Perhaps the punch in the face should be saved for you. It might do your brain some good.
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Hey I know we haven’t scored a TD in almost two full games, so let’s kick another FG and pass on this potential 30 yard drive, BECAUSE OUR NEXT DRIVE, yup that has TD all over it, even though we wil have to go further with less time.
LMAO
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What exactly is so funny?
This comment has proven that you are the type to just speak without even thinking, so going forward, I’ll more than likely ignore your posts.
But I just wanted to pick apart YOUR words:
“Hey I know we haven’t scored a TD in almost two full games”
So, by your logic, they should NOT have tried to go for a TD on 4th and 4 either, because they havent scored a TD in almost 2 games.
You just contradicted your whole point, in the very first sentence of your weak rebuttal.
You know nothing about football, you have proven such.
5:30 minutes to go, 3 timeouts and the 2 minute warning, down 8, with a chance to cut it to 5. You advocate going all or nothing at this point in the game. Glad youre not our coach. Or maybe you are. Dennis, is that you?
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Damn JFB, he made you look pretty bad there.
December 24th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
eazy-e r-nation Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
LETS GO A’S CANT WAIT FOR A REAL TEAM TO PLAY
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Merry Muthaphukkin Xmas, and have a Fk’d up New Year.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
129.Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Judge
I would love to get Gruden or DelRio.
Just remember how they fared as their talent levels declined due to injury and age and poor drafts.
They both got fired. They are not miracle workers.
It goes back to what I said earlier.
I think our big difference is not that I support the present staff. I simply think our talent level is far below NFL average while it has been compensated at an AllPro level.
No coach can over come that in the short term.
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At least get coaches who get the most out of their players. DA isn’t doing that.
Another reason why Hue should have been kept is because he made the deal for CP.
Hue and CP should have been tied to the hip for the next 3 years, while McK worked on rebuilding the D and Hue hires a legit DC.
Screw ups all the way around by Davis, McK and DA.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
#148
Exactly!
December 24th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
You put DMAC with Pryor at QB running the zone read with power run blocking – the offense will suddenly come alive.. Pryor does throw a good deep ball something that Moore and Streater could run under.
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100% AGREED, but sadly that wont happen unless knapp is fired.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Say what u want about McLame.. but maybe there was some partial truth in his “real team” statements.
I dont think he was talking about his peers.. its was the coaches
December 24th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
166.CDERaider Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Palmer out with broken ribs. If Pryor doesn’t start the Nation will and should erupt! DA says he will ‘consider’ either for the start.. You know what that means…
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CP out so Pryor should be getting all the reps this week and they should run the zone read with DMC and Reece in the backfield or Reece split out.
Pryor should be running the ball also out of the zone read.
Pryor should rolled out also.
If Pryor doesn’t start, then DA and Knapp confirm they are idiots.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
148.GG Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Don’t trust this staff’s evaluations.
They’ve been trying to force players into a system. They’ve made everyone look bad pretty much.
Dmac we’ve seen proof he can be a baller. But has looked pathetic this year. If we never saw Dmac before we’d think he outright sucks.
Are we to therefore trust their evaluation/reasons for Taiwan, Pryor, Ausberry?
Taiwan they say constantly drops the ball. But last year, he had 16 carries for 73 yards and never fumbled. Nor has he this year. The fumbled end-around exchange is always blamed on the one handing-off (reece). Taiwan has fumbled just once in two years (which was the fake punt reception).
Look at Dmac’s fumble numbers in his entire time here. In the first two years he had something like 20 fumbles.
Pryor they say isn’t ready and they make it out like every time he drops back he is throwing the ball into the ground, ball slipping out of his hands, throwing ducks all the time, not taking right steps, cant command the huddle etc.
But we saw him in extended action in pre-season and he wasn’t retarded like they say. Plus he got better the more extended time he saw. We’ve also seen him in limited snaps last two weeks and he wasn’t retarded. Pryor himself says his footwork is excellent now, and that he knows the entire playbook, etc. So Pryor is informing RN that he is ready, while Papa and others are sabotaging him by being shills for Allen/Knapp who can spread all this crap about him being retarded.
While Ausberry, he’s been completely shelved as tho he is retarded. Don’t hear anyone asking coaches about why he isnt seeing action. But i bet they’ll say he isn’t ready and is dropping the ball and looking retarded. But the limited action we’ve seen him in real games, he has been dangerous and not retarded.
I DO NOT TRUST this staff. There’s an agenda for sure. I want them either fired before they release all these players. Or, that Mark hires Ray Anderson to the P of FO asap, before off-season, before Reggie/Allen can start gutting the roster.
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Exactly! This coaching staff is a freakin joke!
December 24th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Maybe they graded the defense at ‘B’, and offense at ‘F minus’ and averaged it out to a ‘D plus’.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
If Pryor doesn’t start, then DA and Knapp confirm they are idiots.
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Thats been determined a long time ago.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
TP should be getting more reps, no doubt.
But you can’t just start him and give him a bunch of drives if he isn’t earning it in practice.
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Thats just it, I dont trust these coaches, and they arent even using Pryor the correct way. Do they see how Wilson, Kappy, RGIII,or Cam is used? Bring in some of that college O an give the kid a shot with it. Even Tebow did ok with it last year.
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Hey, I said it first!!!!
December 24th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
If leinart starts then its one big conservative coaching joke. Scared to play a young qb.
Give him the first team reps this week. Leinart has been in the league for 7 years already. Made his millions for nothing. He doesnt even show any passion out there.
Give pryor as chance. the kid has desire. How is he ever gonna get experience if he doesnt play?
December 24th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
So, by your logic, they should NOT have tried to go for a TD on 4th and 4 either, because they havent scored a TD in almost 2 games.
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That makes no sense.
Comes down to what is a more likely scenario.
Converting a 4th and 4, or making a 48 yard FG AND stopping the other team from scoring a TD AND driving down the field to score a TD.
Did we score a TD on the next drive? Did we even get across midfield?
Nope.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
If Leinart is seen in the huddle on the first play, DA should get a phone call before the second play, telling him he’s been let go.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
If Pryor doesn’t start, then DA and Knapp confirm they are idiots.
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Thats been determined a long time ago.
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Yes, but they have been known to out do themselves
December 24th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
When Carson took that hit, I thought it might have been intentional (per DA) to allow Pryor extended playing time without appearing to capitulate to fan demands. Apparantly not. But what the he11 WAS Carson thinking? He’s usually more aware than that, and senses pressure, especially with the protection he’s had this year.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
TP should be getting more reps, no doubt.
But you can’t just start him and give him a bunch of drives if he isn’t earning it in practice.
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Thats just it, I dont trust these coaches, and they arent even using Pryor the correct way. Do they see how Wilson, Kappy, RGIII,or Cam is used? Bring in some of that college O an give the kid a shot with it. Even Tebow did ok with it last year.
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That is exactly how they should be using TP, but DA and Knapp are freakin stubborn idiots!
December 24th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
If leinart starts then its one big conservative coaching joke. Scared to play a young qb.
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At the same time it’s kind of a trap like Tebow in Denver.
They put him in to shut the fans up and show them what they knew all along, then he started winning and you can’t take him out until you replace him with Billboard Head type QB
December 24th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
One good thing about this game. The computer thief lost his cool.
But that’s it.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Coach Allen said the Raiders will not sign another quarterback before Sunday’s game. Punter Shane Lechler will be the No. 3 quarterback.
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Play the No.3 quarterback!! C’mon, everybody! Jump on board! Play the No.3 quarterback!! Play the No.3 quarterback!!
December 24th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Coach Allen said the Raiders will not sign another quarterback before Sunday’s game. Punter Shane Lechler will be the No. 3 quarterback.
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Play the No.3 quarterback!! C’mon, everybody! Jump on board! Play the No.3 quarterback!! Play the No.3 quarterback!!
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Shane has thrown more TD’s than Matt in the last two years
December 24th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
At the same time it’s kind of a trap like Tebow in Denver.
They put him in to shut the fans up and show them what they knew all along, then he started winning and you can’t take him out until you replace him with Billboard Head type QB
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If that were to ever happen consider the Raiders lucky. Mark Davis would be jumping up and down like a school girl. His Dads last pick, winning, excitment, ticket sales. etc
December 24th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Another thought…
If it’s been confirmed by La Confora that Reggie and Allen are coming back…then these two knuckle-heads should then not worry about their job security, and can NOW feel free to play Pryor, Taiwan, Ausberry, Chekwa, etc in extended action, like just starting them the whole game. They don’t have to “try” to win.
Irony….all these players will kick Charger butt, and Raiders will win. And Allen/Knapp will privately blow steam out of their ears but publicly probably try to take credit for it
December 24th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
I dont mine DA coming back. ITs KNAPP who is the big problem.
If da isnt gonna concern hmself with the OFFENSE.. he better get a LEGIT OC.
Norv would be a start
December 24th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Resign Lechler for 4 mil per year as our punter and No.3 quarterback. Oh, yeah, he could beat out Pryor for No.2 next year. That would be awkward.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Pryor – Lechler 1-2 and both getting extended action at QB.
versus
Leinart getting 95% of plays.
Honestly, which scenario is more exciting?
December 24th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
DA On the performance of his two coordinators: “I don’t think this is the time. We do have one game left. There will be time to assess all aspects of the organization, coaching staff included. We’ll do that at some point after the season.”
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Starting with the assessment of your coaching performance I hope.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
GG Says:
Pryor – Lechler 1-2 and both getting extended action at QB.
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Making an assumption there.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
There is a chance Seabass misses the FG anyway and the whole thing is moot.
Too many things that needed to go right to kick the FG. That was our chance.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Mark Davis is not his father. He will give Gruden the keys to the shop. Mark Davis understands marketing, and that you need a great Head Coach and a very good QB to win a Super Bowl. We need much help in other areas, too. All I want for New Year’s is Jon Gruden. Merry Christmas everyone!
December 24th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
173. Exactly, the A’s are our only hope for a World Championship in 2013. 1989 is so very, very long ago!
December 24th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
“Lechler takes the ball, drops back, looks…still looking…and fires a pass to a wide open Janikowski in the endzone! TOUCHDOWN, RRRRRRAAAAAIDERRRRS!”
December 24th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/69037/time-to-look-at-terrelle-pryor
its time.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Agree.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
GG Says:
Pryor – Lechler 1-2 and both getting extended action at QB.
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Making an assumption there.
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Yeah, given that choice I’d go Lechler 1, Pryor about 6th.
I think we need to see what McClain can do under center first. I mean, he was a 1st round draft pick right? He’s a freak combination of size and speed. Gotta see what we got, right?
December 24th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
TP should be getting more reps, no doubt.
But you can’t just start him and give him a bunch of drives if he isn’t earning it in practice.
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Thats just it, I dont trust these coaches, and they arent even using Pryor the correct way. Do they see how Wilson, Kappy, RGIII,or Cam is used? Bring in some of that college O an give the kid a shot with it. Even Tebow did ok with it last year.
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None of you all seem to be getting it. Papa just essentially said the guy is a bloomin’ idiot and can’t get the plays right in practice. That’s not about reps with the 1st string. It’s saying that he can’t process all of the information fast enough and then screws up things like which drop to take, let alone trying to spot the right matchups.
The difference between Pryor and all the QBs mentioned above is that they are all smart enough to play NFL QB. They all Wonderlic’s in the 20’s (Kaep had a 35!). Pryor had a frickin’ 7. All the speed in the world can’t overcome that as a QB.
And don’t even get me started on what Pryor said about knowing all the plays. He’s too dumb to realize that he doesn’t actually know them! Show me an example of any backup player in any sport that had been with the team for a decent amount of time and pronounced themselves not ready yet in terms on knowing the system. Go ahead, I’m waiting … OK, you failed. Now understand that every backup out there is usually quick to proclaim how ready they are to be the starter, because that is the nature of pro sports.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Wanted to run this by anybody who cares.
With J.Jones and Star Lotulelei as the top D prospects next april. Where would our current quality defensive players fit in a 34 alignment?
I realize DA wants to mix it up back and forth, but wanted to see where people thought: Miles Burris, Phil Wheeler, Houston, Bryant, and Shaughnessy fit in a 34.
Shaughnessy and Houston seem good at 5Tech
Burris AND Wheeler in the middle?
If Star, then who at OLB?
If J.Jones, then who at NT?
December 25th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Seems better to stay in a 4-3 and take Bjoern Werner at DE, and Shayne Skov at MLB. Watching film, none of the projected higher draftees get off blocks as well as these two guys, and they can thump.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Though I’d rather take CJ Mosley at MIKE, he’s staying at Bama another year.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:28 am
209. Zymurge Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
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The point is, if Pryor isn’t the guy, and the staff knows it, then why is he still here?
December 25th, 2012 at 8:36 am
148.GG Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
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David Ausberry’s situation is a mystery. He’s like Reece used to be, a playmaker being ignored and not played by the coaching staff.
It’s like he’s being punished or something. When every time the ball has come his way, he’s made an extraordinary play.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:41 am
david Ausberry is in Knapps doghouse for this:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap2000000115491/WK-16-Can-t-Miss-Play-Allen-all-over-it?continuous=true
December 25th, 2012 at 8:44 am
sorry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4_t0LhW04I
December 25th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
The point I keep trying to make is that coaching “success” or progress has far more to do with on the field talent as opposed to scheme, motivation or in game adjustments and play calls.
The examples I have showed you are proven “winners” who started off poorly TILL THEY GOT BETTER TALENT.
I am not saying for a minute that DA reminds me of Gruden or Madden or Bilichick or Shanahan.
What I am saying is that our talent level is far lower than many of you care to accept. Compound that with key injuries and you have a recipe for disaster. Hue corrected his one big injury by taking away key draft picks. Do you think we would have been 8-8 with Bollar? He also had Bush to cover for Dmac. With all the cap issues we could not afford Bush. All Hue did was mortgage our future a bit more than Mr Davis did.
That is why no experinced HC would come near this place and it is why DA has a 4 year deal.
This is a 3-5 year project.
With an 8-8 team being $20 million over the cap and no first or second round picks how would we get better in one year?
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So do you think this team would be 4-11 with any of the top 10 coaching staffs in the league.
I see progress with the defense (Tarver). The others not so much.