Palmer hospitalized in Bay Area, out for Chargers game
By Steve Corkran
Monday, December 24th, 2012 at 2:25 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Starting quarterback Carson Palmer spent the night in a local hospital as a result of the broken ribs and bruised lung he suffered from a helmet-to-back hit against the Carolina Panthers.
Coach Dennis Allen said Palmer will not play Sunday in Oakland’s regular-season finale against the San Diego Chargers.
Palmer was taken to Eden Medical Center as soon as the Raiders landed in Oakland on Sunday night, where he spent the night under observation. He was released Monday afternoon.
Veteran Matt Leinart and second-year player Terrelle Pryor will be considered for the starting job against the Chargers, Allen said. Leinart relieved Palmer against the Panthers. Pryor played three snaps.
“Our plan right now is to work both of them this week,” Allen said, “and then we’ll see how practice goes. Later in the week, we’ll be ready to name a starter.”
Allen said the Raiders will not sign another quarterback between now and Sunday’s game. Therefore, punter Shane Lechler will be the No. 3 quarterback.
Palmer on Sunday got drilled from behind by Panthers defensive end Greg Hardy as he prepared to throw a pass from the right side of the field late in the first quarter.
Hardy was penalized 15 yards for roughing the passer on the play. Palmer stayed down for several minutes, while being tended to by team athletic trainers.
Palmer started the first 15 games this season and passed for 4,018 yards, with 22 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He joined Rich Gannon as the only players to pass for 4,000 yards or more in a season.
Allen called Pryor “a work in progress,” adding that Pryor works hard in practice and is making strides toward earning more playing time. On Sunday, Allen said Pryor isn’t ready to be the backup just yet.
On Monday, Allen added: “I don’t know that he’s got full command of everything that we’re doing. But I wouldn’t expect a lot different out of any other young quarterback. He’s got to continue to work, and he’s done a nice job.”
Allen gave players the day off Monday. Therefore, Pryor and others weren’t available for comment.
– The incident from Sunday’s game in which Panthers quarterback Cam Newton bumped referee Jerome Boger is being reviewed by the league office.
Newton took umbrage with the way he was tackled by Raiders safety Mike Mitchell and yelled at Boger. In the process, Newton bumped Boger.
Boger penalized Newton for “disrespectfully addressing” an official. He added that Newton’s contact with him was not of “malicious nature.” Newton apologized to Boger after the game.
– The Raiders are assured of finishing in third place in the AFC West, regardless how they fare against the Chargers.
Therefore, they now know that they will play a third-place schedule in 2013, which means they host the third-place team from the AFC North (Pittsburgh Steelers) and play on the road against the third-place team from the AFC East (Miami Dolphins or New York Jets).
Their 14 other games are: Denver Broncos, Chargers and Kansas City Chiefs, home and away; Jacksonville Jaguars, Tennessee Titans, Philadelphia Eagles and Washington Redskins at home; Indianapolis Colts, Houston Texans, Dallas Cowboys and New York Giants on the road.
– The Chiefs and Jaguars will pick first and second in the 2013 NFL draft. The Raiders are one of three teams at 4-11. The Raiders would pick third if they wind up tied with the Eagles and Lions, the two other 4-11 teams right now, based on a weaker strength-of-schedule.
It’s conceivable that the Raiders could wind up as one of seven teams in a tie at 5-10. If so, it’s likely that they still would get the No. 3 pick.
– The Raiders allowed 419 points through their first 15 games. They need to hold the Chargers to 13 or fewer if they are to better last season’s total.
The 1961 Raiders allowed the most points in a season, when they surrendered 458. Worse, that came in a 14-game season.
– Strong safety Tyvon Branch (ankle), cornerback Phillip Adams (groin) and right guard Mike Brisiel (concussion) emerged from the Panthers game at less than full strength. They are questionable for the Chargers game.
– Allen declined to assess the performance of offensive coordinator Greg Knapp and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver.
“I don’t think this is the time,” Allen said. “We do have one game left. There will be time to assess all aspects of the organization, coaching staff included. We’ll do that at some point after the season.”
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December 24th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
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December 24th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Let me be the first to wish RAIDERNATION “Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
December 24th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
TERRELLE PRYOR
TAIWAN JONES
DAVID AUSBERRY
CHIMDI CHEKWA
December 24th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
200.boss01 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
DA On the performance of his two coordinators: “I don’t think this is the time. We do have one game left. There will be time to assess all aspects of the organization, coaching staff included. We’ll do that at some point after the season.”
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Starting with the assessment of your coaching performance I hope.
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Yep!
TP better be receiving all 1st team reps at QB this week.
If he plays like crap, that is fine, but DA and Knapp better put the kid in situations where he can succeed.
Run zone plenty of zone read shotguin plays where he will run the ball. Throw screens, roll out the kid out. Let him throw deep.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
This is yet another good opportunity for me to personally wish every contributor to this blog (especially the regulars and newbies) peace love and happiness over December and the New Year.
Again…this particular group of people are THE best most intelligent funniest and coolest and most informed and full of interesting stories etc, anywhere on the internet.
Much love from me to you all.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
On Monday, Allen added: “I don’t know that he’s got full command of everything that we’re doing.
Who the he11 does on offense?
December 24th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
On Monday, Allen added: “I don’t know that he’s got full command of everything that we’re doing.”
I wish Allen and his coaches had full command of everything they’re doing.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Sorry but they will use him as a freak show just to save face
December 24th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Fk we have to play Miami again? Not that it seems to matter but probably in MIA again.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
My Christmas Wish (Mark Davis)
Ray Anderson: President of Football Operations
Jon Gruden: Head Coach
Let Ray Anderson re-interview Reggie for the GM job, along with other candidates.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Miami is 2nd place, Judge. We go to the Jets if they lose at Buffalo.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Knapp said Pryor does have command of the playbook and knows where everyone is supposed to be on every play…he said that 2 weeks ago. Knapp also said Pryor has progressed very well and has not once groaned about having been in-active all season. He said Pryor has been a true gentleman. And, that is true because if they had done to any other QB what they have done to Pryor, they probably would have been cussed out and/or given bad attitude.
You don’t have to like Pryor, but we should be be fair and search for the facts. Allen also just said yesterday in the interview Pryor has progressed and did some things well…..they just have no intent on coaching him into a star…so for the other Pryor haters, I do hope he gets released and ends up on a team where he can be properly coached and developed. It’s just not in Oakland. No worries.
December 24th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Let me be the first to wish RAIDERNATION “Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
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I second that. Happy Holidays, Raider Nation!
December 24th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
START Pryor!!!!
Offseason FA wish list:
MLB Maualuga
DE Umenyiora
FS Goldson
Draft DT Star Luoteli
Starting D
LE- Shaughnessy (Resign)
UT- Houston
NT- Lotulelei
RE- Umenyiora
WLB- Burris
MLB- Maualuga
SLB- Wheeler (resigned)
CB- Adams
CB- Huff
SS- Mitchell
FS- Goldson
All we need is THREE solid Free Agents on Defense to make this happen!!
If our 3rd rounder works out, then may only TWO Free agents!!!
December 24th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Looking forward to seeing Pryor. They better at least give him one half of play. Shoot, let him start. But I doubt that. Hopefully they let him take over at the 2nd quarter and finish out the game.
If you see him only get limited packages and 10 plays there will ba a lot of questions to be answered. And probably some people showing up to HQ with pitchforks and flaming torches.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
I’d like to wish everyone here a merry and enjoyable Christmas. Best wishes to all.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Did DA change is tune? Oh now TP may play? Sunday it was TP is not ready to be a backup. LOL
“Our plan right now is to work both of them this week,” Allen said, “and then we’ll see how practice goes. Later in the week, we’ll be ready to name a starter.”
TP better be the damn starter. No question
December 24th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Does anyone know what’s happened to Nate Davis (Niners QB from a few years ago).
He had a live arm, had a learning disability, but looked ok in pre-season.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
This is great news. I would have expected him to already say Leinart would start; but he hasn’t. This is a surprise,and it leads to believe TP6 will get the start, now that DA has probably been told either that his job is safe…or that it doesn’t matter what happens the last game and won’t figure into the decision whether to keep him or not.
Terrelle Pryor will lead us to glorious victory over SD.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
GG Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Does anyone know what’s happened to Nate Davis (Niners QB from a few years ago).
He had a live arm, had a learning disability, but looked ok in pre-season.
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GG. Happy Holidays…I enjoy your posts of optimism and possibility and not buying into the whole “5 yr’s of waiting for a winning record” b.s.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Since everyone has been adament that they want to lose for a better draft position, will you same guys be then rooting for Pryor to fail for said better draft position?
December 24th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Merry Christmas everyone….
#FireKnappASAP!
December 24th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
First of all I would like to wish the entire Raider Nation a awesome Holidays.. Secondly I would like to wish all the Haters a happy holidays as well, because without you hater the Raiders would be just an average organization…Oh..
KNAPP MUST GO.. AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT
December 24th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
We finish 3rd in division again….. Remember 2nd place is 1st loser so I could care less @8-8. I would rather build something long term that works
December 24th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
I do not wish Greg Knapp a merry christmas btw.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
DA On the performance of his two coordinators: “I don’t think this is the time. We do have one game left. There will be time to assess all aspects of the organization, coaching staff included. We’ll do that at some point after the season.”
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At least he didn’t just come right out and day no changes would be made.
Glimmer of hope.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Since everyone has been adament that they want to lose for a better draft position, will you same guys be then rooting for Pryor to fail for said better draft position?
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I fully expect him to fail, but not rooting for him to fail. Just want that particular delusion to go away.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Merry Christmas for Raiders fans, more like “bah humbug” this year.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Greg Knapp deserves a fat moist Turd in his stocking.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
And ill be more then happy to provide the Turd.
December 24th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Even after broken ribs and a bruised lung, the most brutal part of Palmer’s Sunday was having to spend the night in Castro Valley.
December 24th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
47.KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
A 31 yr old inexperienced kid Head Coach with tits?
Whose gonna listen to that?
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Oedipus maybe.
December 24th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Merry Christams to the one and ONLY Nation!
Wishing EVERYONE who wears the Silver and Black,
the Best of the Holiday Season to You and Yours!
December 24th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
And screw the chargers, I’d rather win and get the 10th ovr selection then lose to those bums and pick #3 overall.
December 24th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I’d take Mauluga in a heartbeat!!!! He was destined to be a Raider after coming out of USC. Still mystifies me how we didn’t jump at the chance to draft him in the 3rd round…
December 24th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
On Monday, Allen added: “I don’t know that he’s got full command of everything that we’re doing.”
whats so complicated about your three yard outs and ten zone stretch runs or your back to back to back screen passes?
December 24th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
On Monday, Allen added: “I don’t know that he’s got full command of everything that we’re doing.”
whats so complicated about your three yard outs and ten zone stretch runs or your back to back to back screen passes?
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Obviously the coaches don’t have full command of what their (the coaches) doing either.
December 24th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
We can certainly blame many things on the this staff, but for the life of me I can not understand how someone can second-guess the going for the 4th and 4 with 5 minutes left.
At that point, it had been almost 20 drives and 115 minutes of football time since we scored a TD.
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20 drives and 115 minutes, huh ?
Impressive.
I’m sure you’re also aware of the mind boggling total of 3 points scored on opening drives the entire season.
Yet, you still refuse to get on and occupy a seat on the Scrap Krapp bus.
Best I’ve been able to get out of you is that you don’t care one way or another if Krapp returns.
Have you reconsidered ?
You are entitled to change your mind about Krapp, you know.
I mean, it was fun arguing with you about Krapp all season and seeing you predict things were going to get better (they didn’t) – but now that you’ve gotten your wish and got a full season of Krapp – have you changed your mind ?
You really don’t care if he comes back ?
Can’t see that he’s got to go ?
My friend, sometimes I worry about you.
Merry Christmas to you JFB, and to the rest of the faithful posters here.
It’s been a long, tough, disappointing season but having this forum to vent, debate and joke in has made it more bearable.
Season’s Greetings and best wishes to one and all.
December 24th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
On Monday, Allen added: “I don’t know that he’s got full command of everything that we’re doing.”
I wish Allen and his coaches had full command of everything they’re doing.
^^^^^^^^
haha…Exactly!
December 24th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
I’d take Maualuga in a heart beat. 20lbs lighter too???
PHUCC Yeah, man.
December 24th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
1+1=2;
Palmer bruised lung and broken ribs plus previous retirement once before equals drafting a quarterback just became a higher priority for Reggie McKenzie.
Allen the organization and the team need you to start Pryor to know if we need to use our first or third round draft choice on a quarterback or not.
December 24th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
It’s funny, cuz I already know what some of you will say if TP starts and does not play well.
“See? TP started and looked like utter crap, you TP guys got what you wanted”.
It’s not about whether he plays like crap or not….it’s about giving the kid a chance and evaluating him.
December 24th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
I wonder if we could talk Norm Chow into running our offense?
December 24th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
It’s funny, cuz I already know what some of you will say if TP starts and does not play well.
“See? TP started and looked like utter crap, you TP guys got what you wanted”.
It’s not about whether he plays like crap or not….it’s about giving the kid a chance and evaluating him.
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Very true. It will be his first real game in the NFL. Not expecting much but i think he will do ok. The question is “what if” he plays real good then what? Makes DA and the rest of look stupid. Should of had TP in some sort of playing time since week 1. I guess they are not creative enough to use him.
December 24th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
110.Charlie Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Judge.
I understand your point. No one with experience will come here. I really get it but Oakland is a resume killer.
We got a young guy with good recommendations to take a shot.He got a four year deal or he stays in Denver. Who would take this job for less?
Somebody with options like Gruden would laugh at this mess. He can make as much broadcasting.
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Should have went after Del Rio ahead of DA.
Del Rio has roots in the East Bay Area, and grew up a Raider fan. Like Cable, he would have cared about the inter division rivalries and had this team prepared to battle division rivals at least.
Del Rio would be a respected leader of men in that locker room as well and would recruit better coaches.
December 24th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
How well do you expect Pryor to look with Krappy calling the plays?
Is it possible the wide stretch will open up because SD is scared of TP bootlegging?
Hmmmmmm
December 24th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
I would be okay with Dennis Allen returning, as long as he has the integrity and courage to fire Knapp.
Hire another OC.
Ideal situation for the Raiders, Tarver gets a college head coaching gig, Wisenhut or Lovie get fired by Arizona or Chicago (respectively), Allen hires one of them to be our defensive coordinator.
December 24th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
DA and Tarver’s defense are just fine.
Like the Cable led Raiders, all this team needs is a play caller.
December 24th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Defense is fine, true.
Under Smith or Ken it could be great.
December 24th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Matty Lice will get a vaginvl injury by the end of the second series, per is usual \
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We will se TP6 almost whole game
December 24th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
J Hill Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
How well do you expect Pryor to look with Krappy calling the plays?
Is it possible the wide stretch will open up because SD is scared of TP bootlegging?
Hmmmmmm
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Yeah i think that has been one of the REAL problems all along not TP. Knapp is not creative enough to use TP.
LOL at Allen on TP: “I don’t know that he’s got full command of everything that we’re doing.” That’s just nonsense. TP was doing pretty good in preseason.
The offense is basic.(vanilla)
December 24th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Raiders 7 San Diego 0.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Under Smith or Ken it could be great.
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Adding one of these 3 kids Lotuleilei, Moore, or Werner would have more of an impact, imo
December 24th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Del Rio has roots in the East Bay Area, and grew up a Raider fan. Like Cable, he would have cared about the inter division rivalries and had this team prepared to battle division rivals at least.
Del Rio would be a respected leader of men in that locker room as well and would recruit better coaches.
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I was screamin this before Hue MackDaddy was even canned.
DelRio for DC was a no brainer.
That explains why it never happened. Denvers D is much improved since he took over.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
My only issue with Tarver is he blitzes too much on 3rd down.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Denvers D is much improved since he took over.
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Denver’s D is much better now that it has a real offense to compliment it.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
I just really wanted DelRio. Have known him since high school and never seen a more intense player.
He is a motivator as a coach and gets the best out of his talent.
Oh well.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
I’d take Del Rio!!!!
December 24th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Too Late Now!!
December 24th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
The poll has Pryor overwhelmingly ahead for starter 90%
December 24th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
I’ll be shocked if TP starts.
Listen fellas, you’ve got to remember who we’re dealing with here.
We’re not dealing with an imaginative, flexible staff.
They’ve proven time and time again that ‘the system’ is of utmost importance to them and that they will continuously try to change players to fit the system rather than make adaptations to the system.
Tits has said TP isn’t ready to be the backup in his (actually Krapp’s) system.
You’ve got to remember that this is a staff that was too stubborn to even activate TP until week 12.
Strict adherence to the system was more important than installing a few packages and giving TP a taste or giving opposing defenses something else to prepare for.
This is a staff that probably sees TP struggling in limited practices to drop back, make a read and consistently throw accurately.
They do not, and probably will never, understand that at this stage TP’s greatest strength would be the ability to improvise, extend plays, and make plays with his legs.
Even if they’re aware of this, it doesn’t fit the system and it’s not something they’re going to be comfortable with.
Doesn’t matter that it’s week 17 in a lost season or that it’s vital that TP be given some run even if it’s just to find out or try to make a projection as to what he ultimately might become.
Sticking with the system is more important than player development, evaluating players or forming a coherent, coordinated draft strategy based on seeing what a player like TP could do if given an opportunity.
Nope, TP isn’t starting.
The only way that happens is if Mark or Reggie gives the order to make it happen.
I suspect that’s what had to happen to even get TP activated.
Got to remember who you’re dealing with.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Hill you are correct; drafting D Moore DE, Louteli DT or any other top impact player such ad Werner pr Te’o would be much more important and a greater asset.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Wouldn’t be surprised if Allen’s about-face on Pryor is because Reggie put the hard word on him.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Should we draft a qb, I do not want Knapp being his first OC, he would probably opt for baseball, basketball, or nascar.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
post 61 is spot on Krapp only knows strech rt & lt. he would look a fool trying to divise a game plan for TP
December 24th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
GG Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
This is yet another good opportunity for me to personally wish every contributor to this blog (especially the regulars and newbies) peace love and happiness over December and the New Year.
Again…this particular group of people are THE best most intelligent funniest and coolest and most informed and full of interesting stories etc, anywhere on the internet.
Much love from me to you all.
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What a kissass bich
December 24th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Knapp has to go. Today.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Raider(since1967)★ Merry Christmas RAIDERNATION ★★★
Hi Cork- ★Wishing you best for all you do for us.Merry Christmas ★
As for Our Qb – Palmer wishing you ★ Get Well. Soon ★★★
What? The Nurse gave you a Backrub ! And sat on your – what ? Ribs !
Nah you wanted a nurse for Strengh and What ?
Nurse ….
December 24th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
GG Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Wouldn’t be surprised if Allen’s about-face on Pryor is because Reggie put the hard word on him.
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What about face? He said Pryor isn’t ready to be backup, and he still says that.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
#61
I think Knapp & DA are more interested in image making for themselves as scheme geniuses. They don’t give a damn about players..
December 24th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Earlier today I called into 670 The Score in Chicago cuz they brought up the Raiders as a possible trade partner to dump off some of the Bears unwanted players. The one guy said “Well, they took a chance on Jamarcus Russell (laughter), so maybe they’d be willing to take Chris Conte off our hands”. Then they said “Well, they thought that Carson Palmer had a lot of football left in him and found out…he really doesn’t”. Then they started talking about other QB’s who they consider washed up, so I called in and waited 20 mins of course (which isn’t alot, but it’s x mas eve and i thought i’d get on quicker), but when I got on i noted that Palmer just passed the 4,000 yd. mark for the season on a team with bad receivers and really no running game and noted that Palmer has thrown for more yd’s. than Cutler and only has 14 int’s and that Palmer is much better stat wise than Cutler and the one guy said “Wow…really? Is that right? 4,000 yd’s throwing to Darrius Heyward Bey?” Then he said “I didn’t realize that. Then the other guy said “well you watch a lotta Raider football? (minor laaughter)”
Then I got into a little on how much the Bears gave up for Cutler etc. compared to Raiders with Palmer and said that Palmer has outplayed Cutler this yr. even with Cutler having a top receiver like Brandon Marshall, and they agreed and then cut me off.
After my call they talked for a second about Cutler and said “Well, Palmer might have more left than what I thought but he didn’t do what he was brought there to do, which is get to the Super Bowl. But same thing can be said for Cutler”.
Anyway, just thought i’d share that.
Happy Holidays.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Happy Holidays Raider Nation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get well soon Palmer.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
PLEASE PLAY TP6 on Sunday.
Give us one bone before the season ends you dipsticks.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
The coaches know their jobs are at stake. Losing the last game of the year won’t help their odds. DA and Reg want to win, not see if TP is a bust or not.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
The coaches know their jobs are at stake. Losing the last game of the year won’t help their odds. DA and Reg want to win, not see if TP is a bust or not.
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More than likely. Also, I’m pretty sure Reggie doesn’t care about his draft slot. I have a feeling he is going to trade it away.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
And a happy holidays to all the Raider brethren. Hope you and yours have a good one.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Earlier today I called into 670 The Score in Chicago cuz they brought up the Raiders as a possible trade partner to dump off some of the Bears unwanted players. The one guy said “Well, they took a chance on Jamarcus Russell (laughter), so maybe they’d be willing to take Chris Conte off our hands”. Then they said “Well, they thought that Carson Palmer had a lot of football left in him and found out…he really doesn’t”. Then they started talking about other QB’s who they consider washed up, so I called in and waited 20 mins of course (which isn’t alot, but it’s x mas eve and i thought i’d get on quicker), but when I got on i noted that Palmer just passed the 4,000 yd. mark for the season on a team with bad receivers and really no running game and noted that Palmer has thrown for more yd’s. than Cutler and only has 14 int’s and that Palmer is much better stat wise than Cutler and the one guy said “Wow…really? Is that right? 4,000 yd’s throwing to Darrius Heyward Bey?” Then he said “I didn’t realize that. Then the other guy said “well you watch a lotta Raider football? (minor laaughter)”
Then I got into a little on how much the Bears gave up for Cutler etc. compared to Raiders with Palmer and said that Palmer has outplayed Cutler this yr. even with Cutler having a top receiver like Brandon Marshall, and they agreed and then cut me off.
After my call they talked for a second about Cutler and said “Well, Palmer might have more left than what I thought but he didn’t do what he was brought there to do, which is get to the Super Bowl. But same thing can be said for Cutler”.
Anyway, just thought i’d share that.
Happy Holidays.
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Good Job and Merry Christmas!
December 24th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
DA said Pryor can’t learn the playbook. That he’s slow. That he’s not ready. Another cracker keeping a brother down.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
Reggie -told ALLEN to throw 3 times and run 1 !
Like that Pryor loses the last game. You hear!
Then I take this Teo guy and ah…. I”ll look good to Start
The Season. AS for the hurt guys – send them to AFLAC to
Make commercials! I don’t want them here ….
December 24th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Play TP. I want to see that little monkey run.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
The poll has Pryor overwhelmingly ahead for starter 90%
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5 posters want to see a player play, and you think that will do it? Dumb bich.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Morilla Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
The coaches know their jobs are at stake. Losing the last game of the year won’t help their odds. DA and Reg want to win, not see if TP is a bust or not.
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More than likely. Also, I’m pretty sure Reggie doesn’t care about his draft slot. I have a feeling he is going to trade it away.
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Not me Morilla, it’s the little troll monkey. Pretending to be me on X-mas Eve. Poor thing.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Watching Harry Potter and the Sorcerere’s Stone.
Weird how the head goblin at Gringott’s Bank looks like my sister in law.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
82 is not me, the little bich troll.
December 24th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Watching Harry Potter and the Sorcerere’s Stone.
Weird how the head goblin at Gringott’s Bank looks like my sister in law.
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Merry X-mas troll monkey!
December 24th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
These guys are proving to be incompetent beyond belief. I dont know why you would trust them with even playing TP.
These guys needed to be fired yesterday. Hell, none of them should have even been hired in the first place. Al would have had 3 overhead projector ready for these clowns – a bounty of firings at hand.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Knapp has ZERO imagination. What do you think he’s going to do with Pryor? What kind of evaluation you think you’re really gonna get?
December 24th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
I’m pretty much resigned to the unfortunate reality that Smiling Titty Boy will probably return in 2013.
Reggie isn’t likely to admit he made a mistake.
Davis isn’t likely to want to swallow the 4 year contract given to Tits (thanks, Reggie – that was brilliant).
What Davis has to consider is that Tits is a total fraud of a coach. He might have to bite the bullet.
Forget about all the blow-out losses. Forget about Titty Boy’s inexcusable smile after the butt-whuppin in Denver.
Tits had probably lost the team by then.
Tits was exposed as a complete FRAUD and a LIAR in week 1.
Condo goes down. Goethel comes in.
Tits tells the media he was prepared for this eventuality. Goethel tells the media he volunteered to long snap but hadn’t actually practiced doing so.
Who do you think was lying ?
Think the players didn’t notice this ?
What does this say about Tits credibility ?
Sorry Bras, (those are Tit supporters, right ?) Tits is a complete fraud, and this incident shouldn’t be glossed over.
Can’t misrepresent or lie to cover your butt and hope to maintain credibility with 53 grown men.
You want to lead and have the squad rally around you ?
You admit your mistakes.
You don’t lie or make excuses.
Tits is a fraud.
NRM. NOT RAIDER MATERIAL.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
They’ll play Pryor in obvious trick play situations, with Leinart out wide. Set him up to fail.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
I KNEW YOU WOULD TAKE THE BAIT, YOU OLD UNEMPLOYED POS FOOL MIKE KELLY.
YOU HAVEN’T POSTED SINCE NOON..BUT I KNOW YOU JUST SIT HERE, ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, JUST LURKING LIKE A LOSER, AND I JUST PROVED IT. 3 MIN AFTER THE THE 5:33 POST, YOU POSTED AT 5:36. NO OTHER POST FROM YOU SINCE 12:05 BUT IN MINUTES AFTER I POST, YOU IMMEDIATELY POST.
YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LOSER EVER, FATBOY, LOL.
Seriously? You just sit and stare at this board?
LOL. EXPOSED, KOOLKELL.
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
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What a kissass bich
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AND HERE YOU ARE, JUMPING ON..WITHIN MINUTES, LOSER!!
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
#61
I think Knapp & DA are more interested in image making for themselves as scheme geniuses. They don’t give a damn about players..
December 24th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
4-11 …about to seal 4-12. I believe at the start of the year I said we’ll be lucky to win 4 games …haha …talk about spot on.
DA & Knapp needs to be canned. DA needs to be canned for his blind allegence to Knapp and complete inflexibility, which together show incompetence and lack of imagination. The guy is NO GOOD!
Knapp. That fk’r should had NEVER been hired in the first players which AGAIN speaks to DA’s INCOMPETENCE and horrible decision making!
December 24th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
I KNEW YOU WOULD TAKE THE BAIT, YOU OLD UNEMPLOYED POS FOOL MIKE KELLY.
YOU HAVEN’T POSTED SINCE NOON..BUT I KNOW YOU JUST SIT HERE, ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, JUST LURKING LIKE A LOSER, AND I JUST PROVED IT. 3 MIN AFTER THE THE 5:33 POST, YOU POSTED AT 5:36. NO OTHER POST FROM YOU SINCE 12:05 BUT IN MINUTES AFTER I POST, YOU IMMEDIATELY POST.
YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LOSER EVER, FATBOY, LOL.
Seriously? You just sit and stare at this board?
LOL. EXPOSED, KOOLKELL.
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
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What a kissass bich
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AND HERE YOU ARE, JUMPING ON..WITHIN MINUTES, LOSER!!
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
#61
I think Knapp & DA are more interested in image making for themselves as scheme geniuses. They don’t give a damn about players..
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What are you ranting about troll?
December 24th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
No, no, posters..the above was just partly true.
THE TRUTH IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CROSS POSTING POS’S ON THIS BOARD IS MIKE THE SNITCH KELLY, KOOLKELL.
Yeah, Kelly, you weren’t just “lurking” like I said..truth is your CROSS POSTING ASS WAS HERE UNDER ANOTHER HANDLE, LIKE YOU DO EVERYDAY, YOU CROSS POSTING P OF CHEEITT..and you switched names to reply.
THANKS FOR PROVING MY POINT, YOU CROSS POSTING LOSER.
Man, Christmas Eve? you have a wife? AND YOU’RE STILL ON THIS BOARD? lmfao how easy it was to make you post…
BUSTED AND EXPOSED, CROSS POSTING LOSER.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
I KNEW YOU WOULD TAKE THE BAIT, YOU OLD UNEMPLOYED POS FOOL MIKE KELLY.
YOU HAVEN’T POSTED SINCE NOON..BUT I KNOW YOU JUST SIT HERE, ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, JUST LURKING LIKE A LOSER, AND I JUST PROVED IT. 3 MIN AFTER THE THE 5:33 POST, YOU POSTED AT 5:36. NO OTHER POST FROM YOU SINCE 12:05 BUT IN MINUTES AFTER I POST, YOU IMMEDIATELY POST.
YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LOSER EVER, FATBOY, LOL.
Seriously? You just sit and stare at this board?
LOL. EXPOSED, KOOLKELL.
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
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What a kissass bich
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AND HERE YOU ARE, JUMPING ON..WITHIN MINUTES, LOSER!!
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
#61
I think Knapp & DA are more interested in image making for themselves as scheme geniuses. They don’t give a damn about players..
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What are you ranting about troll?
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Simple.
Busted you, SNITCH.
And you stupidly bit, lol. Moron.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
What are you ranting about? Are you one of the morons who got banned yesterday?
December 24th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Morilla Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
The coaches know their jobs are at stake. Losing the last game of the year won’t help their odds. DA and Reg want to win, not see if TP is a bust or not.
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More than likely. Also, I’m pretty sure Reggie doesn’t care about his draft slot. I have a feeling he is going to trade it away.
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Not me Morilla, it’s the little troll monkey. Pretending to be me on X-mas Eve. Poor thing.
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No worries.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
We went to go see Lincoln today. Get a life dude. You’re totally obsessed with me!!!
December 24th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Alex7 why are you so obsessed with me?
December 24th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
I’ll tell DA what he needs to assess, getting rid of Knapp. Hue Jackson got fired for doing a lot more then Knapp has ever done.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
GG Says:
Does anyone know what’s happened to Nate Davis (Niners QB from a few years ago).
He had a live arm, had a learning disability, but looked ok in pre-season.
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Learning disability, huh? Could be a fit if Knapp is retained. Everybody that has played football their whole lifes and can tie their own shoes can’t seem to pick up his scheme. Wait, I see the flaw. We need to draft and sign an entire offensive roster of players with learning disabilities. But, for Christmas sake, resign our OC Knapp!
December 24th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Play TP. I want to see that little monkey run.
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offensive
December 24th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Knapp is gone. DA was calling him out in the presser. Knapp was a stop gap OC.
Norv, pick up your phone when you see it’s a Alameda area code.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
I’ll be shocked if TP starts.
Listen fellas, you’ve got to remember who we’re dealing with here.
We’re not dealing with an imaginative, flexible staff.
They’ve proven time and time again that ‘the system’ is of utmost importance to them and that they will continuously try to change players to fit the system rather than make adaptations to the system.
Tits has said TP isn’t ready to be the backup in his (actually Krapp’s) system.
You’ve got to remember that this is a staff that was too stubborn to even activate TP until week 12.
Strict adherence to the system was more important than installing a few packages and giving TP a taste or giving opposing defenses something else to prepare for.
This is a staff that probably sees TP struggling in limited practices to drop back, make a read and consistently throw accurately.
They do not, and probably will never, understand that at this stage TP’s greatest strength would be the ability to improvise, extend plays, and make plays with his legs.
Even if they’re aware of this, it doesn’t fit the system and it’s not something they’re going to be comfortable with.
Doesn’t matter that it’s week 17 in a lost season or that it’s vital that TP be given some run even if it’s just to find out or try to make a projection as to what he ultimately might become.
Sticking with the system is more important than player development, evaluating players or forming a coherent, coordinated draft strategy based on seeing what a player like TP could do if given an opportunity.
Nope, TP isn’t starting.
The only way that happens is if Mark or Reggie gives the order to make it happen.
I suspect that’s what had to happen to even get TP activated.
Got to remember who you’re dealing with.
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yes, you’re dealing with a young, rationale staff that has good football IQ. They are proving that they can make sane talent evaluations and play the guys that are earning it by excelling in practice.
The same staff that saw the McClain wasn’t the answer and had the balls to move forward on virtually slamming the door on the 1st round draft pick of only a few years ago.
The same staff that realized that Bartell isn’t the same player from before his neck injury and had the balls to tell their GM his FA signing needed to go.
The same staff has managed to create a 4000 yard passing season for Palmer despite a merry go around of average WRs.
So as they continue to prove themselves, they don’t automatically give unearned playing time to a scholarship player on the roster just because Al got a woodie for his speed and made him his least, vast overreaching draft pick.
That’s a staff I can totally support, because prudence is what it takes to win in the NFL.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
We went to go see Lincoln today. Get a life dude. You’re totally obsessed with me!!!
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Think u got busted Kell. U gone all day then show up in 2 mins? Aftr you see ur name? No way you just happ to sign on right then. You be x-posting Kell. and u jus got busted.
textbook set–up.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Whoa, did I interrupt a Christmas eve purse swinging melee? Makes me miss my ex and her sisters after mimosas and eggnogs!
December 24th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
C2E Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Play TP. I want to see that little monkey run.
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Very offensive. My imposter, Alex7 is very racist. I guess that’s why he fixates on me. Smh.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
i hope to god DA dosent hire Norv Turner.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Tha explains how when some1 insuls you Kell, and you show up so quick.
Either you are lurkin all day or ur a cross posting punk.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Knapp has ZERO imagination. What do you think he’s going to do with Pryor? What kind of evaluation you think you’re really gonna get?
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The dude can only retain a handful of plays week to week. Papa said as much. How much imagination can you apply in that situation? It’s not like you can march him in and have him implement a new wrinkle that you just drew in the dirt during the TV timeout. He can’t even get the basic plays in the playbook right after numerous reps.
I am SOOO looking forward to seeing the end of this season because it will mean either a trade, cut or position switch for Pryor and the end of all this clueless drivel.
I absolutely guarantee that Pryor will NOT ever be a starting NFL QB for any team. Let’s move on and spend time investing in players that can actually help the Raiders moving forward.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Angry Little Man Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
i hope to god DA dosent hire Norv Turner.
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I doubt they will, but why? Norv is a proven OC. Also buddies with Carson.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
December 24th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Tha explains how when some1 insuls you Kell, and you show up so quick.
Either you are lurkin all day or ur a cross posting punk. Kell, and you show up so quick.
Either you are lurkin all day or ur a cross posting punk.
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Are you really so stupid, delusional, self involved, to think I lurk in the blog all day waiting for some Btch cross poster to impersonate me? Really dumb Btch?
The cros posting Btch posta as me, and you call ME a cross poster. Gtfo dumbass.
Now do you have any football takes, Fool?
December 24th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
For the record I still have faith in RM, DA not so much that being said I wouldnt give the hook to DA just yet. He had an awful Defense to work with, no real difference makers were signed on defense or offense due to the salary cap nightmare RM inherited.
Give DA some time to grow into a good coach, I really think he will do better next year with better players on D and a better OC.
I truly belive we would have won several more games if we had a real OC
December 24th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Morilla Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Angry Little Man Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
i hope to god DA dosent hire Norv Turner.
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I doubt they will, but why? Norv is a proven OC. Also buddies with Carson.
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Move would be a no-brainer. As would getting Ed Donatell from across the bay or Ray Horton (once Whisenhunt is fired).
slightly off topic
Would you trade DMC for Maurice Jones-Drew?
Drew is 27 , McFadden 25
Drew is scheduled to make 4.9 mil, McFadden 5.8 mil (and Jax has plenty of cap room)
It seems like both need a fresh start and MJD is from Oakland. You get that guy and Norv Turner as OC, and watch out….and Norv would know how to use Marcel Reece. Good play caller. Say you trade Palmer, you could re-unite Turner with Alex Smith as a bridge to TP or another signal caller we could draft and develop (Nassib or Tyler Bray)
December 24th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Morilla, SD was a power house of a team just a few years ago, imo SD should have at least a couple of SB trophys in its case. His teams always start slow and seem to self destruct.
There has to be someone better then Norv and certainly Knapp
December 24th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
Knapp arrived to his Office at sundown an was surprised ! He ask the
Cleaning Lady – hey where’s my Desk ?? Oh they gave it to the -
Good Will or Salvation Army I don’t remember !
After -All I did for them .? Palmer is 4000+ and 22 Tds. YEAH ! Well
It probably was not Good enough with 4-12 . But they left you this , a Brown Bag
And some furniture polish !
December 24th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Yeah, I agree. I don’t want to see Norv here nor Alex Smith.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Angry Little Man Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Morilla, SD was a power house of a team just a few years ago, imo SD should have at least a couple of SB trophys in its case. His teams always start slow and seem to self destruct.
There has to be someone better then Norv and certainly Knapp
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As a HC I would agree. But Norv is up there as a top OC.
I live here in SD. Norvelle has gotten a bad rap. AJ Smith has handcuffed him and ran the Chargers into the ground. Horrible drafts, bad decisions and ran all their playmakers off.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
If DA dosent fire Knapp I personally will fly to Oakland and put out the ” eternal flame” with a fire extinguisher.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Morilla Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Angry Little Man Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
i hope to god DA dosent hire Norv Turner.
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I doubt they will, but why? Norv is a proven OC. Also buddies with Carson.
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Move would be a no-brainer. As would getting Ed Donatell from across the bay or Ray Horton (once Whisenhunt is fired).
slightly off topic
Would you trade DMC for Maurice Jones-Drew?
Drew is 27 , McFadden 25
Drew is scheduled to make 4.9 mil, McFadden 5.8 mil (and Jax has plenty of cap room)
It seems like both need a fresh start and MJD is from Oakland. You get that guy and Norv Turner as OC, and watch out….and Norv would know how to use Marcel Reece. Good play caller. Say you trade Palmer, you could re-unite Turner with Alex Smith as a bridge to TP or another signal caller we could draft and develop (Nassib or Tyler Bray)
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I could see MJD tearing it up in the silver and black. He’s patient and small. Perfect for the ZBS. You wouldn’t know what whole he was coming from.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
on DMAC, imo he dosent have quick feet and lateral movement,and he runs to upright. now straight line speed he has in spades. There should be no reason why he didn’t average at least 4-5 yards per carry.
I think he’s the type of runner that needs everything to be perfect for him, ie huge gaping holes to run thru, but he dosent have the wiggle to make things happen for himself.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
DMAC averaged 5.1 last year didn’t he?
December 24th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
in a power blocking kick your ass scheme yes.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Didn’t Cosell catch heat for saying “look at that little monkey run” about Alvin Garrett?
December 24th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
my point is DA no matter if he fires GK or not will hire a OC that specializes in the zone blocking scheme. He has gone on record that the zone blocking scheme is the hardest to defend.
Dmac does not fit the zbs.
December 24th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Didn’t Cosell catch heat for saying “look at that little monkey run” about Alvin Garrett?
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Yeah, remember Jimmy the Greek? What did he say that got him in a bunch of trouble?
December 24th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
angry little man Says:
If DA dosent fire Knapp I personally will fly to Oakland and put out the ” eternal flame” with a fire extinguisher.
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What do DA and Knapp have to do with Al Davis’s Eternal Flame, angry little man?
December 24th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Tits better be gone. Knapp gone is not enough.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
morilla Says:
Yeah, remember Jimmy the Greek? What did he say that got him in a bunch of trouble?=
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Something about slave owners “breeding” the best physical specimans as to why blacks were more gifted in those areas. Or was that Al Campanis? Google is too busy tonite tracking santa and I can’t look it up.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
There could be some veracity to that, but then you look at a specimen like KK and shake your head.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Dear Mark,
All I want for christmas if for you & Chubby Checker to admit your mistake and fire Tits. Hue was fired for MUCH LESS.
I can financially support anybody on this list:
Gruden
Del Rio
Hue
Chip Kelly
David Shaw
Lovie Smith
I will not support, especially financially, Tits & co.
Signed,
A Raider fan since 84.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
Tits better be gone. Knapp gone is not enough.
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Civil James on record saying he doesn’t like tits!
December 24th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Damn, James. I beat you by 5 years and what a 5 years they were for someone within 45 minutes of the LA Coliseum.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Angry Little Man Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
my point is DA no matter if he fires GK or not will hire a OC that specializes in the zone blocking scheme. He has gone on record that the zone blocking scheme is the hardest to defend.
Dmac does not fit the zbs.
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Yep, if DA stays the ZBS stays.
I wonder who is more valuable DA or DMAC.?
December 24th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Problem is Dennis thinks the progression goes like his H.S. and College teams did He’s got Senority over Pryor and we already know that he Lienert was released Twice Already! After being Drafted as a Starter! So what the heck we need to see from his weak arm? He is good on some plays, but strikes no fear in the D he is facing! Pryor with Dmac in the back field and reese and Moore or Streater and DHB and Myers is more of a challenge for opposing D’s
December 24th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
The Raiders allowed 419 points through their first 15 games. They need to hold the Chargers to 13 or fewer if they are to better last season’s total.
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Chuck B > Jason T ??
December 24th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
December 24th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Tha explains how when some1 insuls you Kell, and you show up so quick.
Either you are lurkin all day or ur a cross posting punk. Kell, and you show up so quick.
Either you are lurkin all day or ur a cross posting punk.
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Are you really so stupid, delusional, self involved, to think I lurk in the blog all day waiting for some Btch cross poster to impersonate me? Really dumb Btch?
The cros posting Btch posta as me, and you call ME a cross poster. Gtfo dumbass.
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Not wat he said, kkell. Said u kno so quick cuz u are already postin under anothur name.
If its not one of tha two, then how do u explain u replyin in 2 min?
Only hap if ur x-postin.
Guess u is busted.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
What can it hurt to play Pryor the last game of the season ? could he do any worse then Lienert ? I seriously doubt it. Liennert is terrible.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Palmer hospitalized in Bay Area, out for Chargers game Starting quarterback Carson Palmer spent the night in a local hospital as a result of the broken ribs and bruised lung he suffered from a helmet-to-back hit against the Carolina Panthers. Coach Dennis Allen said Palmer will not play Sunday in Oakland… [...]
December 24th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Not wat he said, kkell. Said u kno so quick cuz u are already postin under anothur name.
If its not one of tha two, then how do u explain u replyin in 2 min?
Only hap if ur x-postin.
Guess u is busted.
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Shut up you ignorant unintelligible nitwit. Get a life, and don’t worry about what I’m doing all day. Alex/Tuckfool.
Do you have a football question dumbass?
December 24th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
how do you post a link on here ?
December 24th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Merry Christmas Raider Nation!!
December 24th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
That was Jimmy the Greek and I didn’t see it as a racist put down by intent, he was trying to explain a phenomena we were witnessing in sports before steroids as a black man with a doctorate, And given our limited knowledge of genetics at that time, i dont think he should be treated as some pariah. Even Cosell was not racist, and used an unfortunate choice of words. If Ali respected him, then I respect him. His support of Ali was unpopular and put him at odds with the establishment
Back to football. Start Pryor, what’s the worst that could happen, we lose? No brainer but our coaches are not savvy, good points raised tonite about being married to a system. Bring back Hue Jack and watch the offense take off again. Keep Tarverand draft some l
LBs and corners after taking DT Star Loutelie
December 24th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
BTW…VOTE!
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22255106/vote-who-should-raiders-start-at-quarterback
December 24th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
We need to resign DT Desmond Bryant, he is our best defensive player
December 24th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
could DA be worried Pryor will play good and then he’ll have a qb controversy on his hands ?
just a thought
December 24th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Kell,
it’s obvious you’re not a fan of Mark Davis, Dennis Allen, Greg Knapp or white males in general …
could we right the ship by hiring Ray Anderson (front office), Winston Moss as HC and promoting Kelly Skipper to OC ??
December 24th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
I don’t go by race, bro. You got me stereotyped with somebody else.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
How did the Raiders manage to hire the dumbest football coach in America and the dumbest OC?
December 24th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Head coach’s contracts guaranteed, asst’s usually only two year contracts; Knapp’s could easily be eaten if needed.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Kirk, good question.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Allen_(American_football)
December 24th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Dennis Allen says Pryor isn’t ready for a #2 QB job.
this Sunday he’s the #2 QB (due to Palmer’s injury)
Leinart is injury prone, so Pryor could very well take over at QB regardless of the whole “package of plays if the opportunity arises” thing. the game is in SD where there will be plenty of Raider fans in the stands. frat boy Matt might get boo’d off the field in an AWAY game!
December 24th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
angry little man Says:
how do you post a link on here ?
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Depends on the link. some are ok, some aren’t. Raiderfans.com is a no-no, for example. otherwise, right now I’m on ibabuzz and so I highlight the url like this; then copy and paste….http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/12/24/palmer-hospitalized-in-bay-area-out-for-chargers-game/comment-page-3/#comment-1189298… If it posts in blue you’re good, if it never posts you violated an undisclosed no-no and are subject to eternal banishment if you try again.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Kell,
could we right the ship by hiring Ray Anderson (front office), Winston Moss as HC and promoting Kelly Skipper to OC ??
December 24th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Eat both of them contracts….make it the whole coaching staff!!
#JonGruden2013
December 24th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Well, you can’t copy and paste the site you’re on and have it be “linked”. But we’ll try with Cork’s twitter, that oughtta work….https://twitter.com/CorkOnTheNFL
December 24th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
JUST DROPPED IN TO SAY MARRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL,AND A GOOD NEW YEAR ALSO.. R.I.P JACK KLUGMAN..
December 24th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Let’s try a google search of Raider news without any Blechher Reports….http://www.google.com/search?q=oakland+raiders+-Bleacher&hl=en&gl=us&authuser=0&biw=1024&bih=626&tbm=nws&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:d&sa=X&ei=LyEKULrnJ4WnrQGt06XJCg&ved=0CCEQpwUoAg
December 24th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Dennis Allen says Pryor isn’t ready for a #2 QB job.
this Sunday he’s the #2 QB (due to Palmer’s injury)
Leinart is injury prone, so Pryor could very well take over at QB regardless of the whole “package of plays if the opportunity arises” thing. the game is in SD where there will be plenty of Raider fans in the stands. frat boy Matt might get boo’d off the field in an AWAY game!
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Without a doubt….went to last years home game in SD “BLACKED OUT LIKE A MUG!”
December 24th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Seems like a Head Coach needs some Gravitas to be followed by grown men, where millions of dollars are at stake.
Tits don’t have that.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/52986/time-to-look-at-terrelle-pryor
December 24th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Good question. They have changed the rules on posting links. I will figure it out. Unless
is around. And if he is, Merry elfin’ Xmas!!
December 24th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
– Allen declined to assess the performance of offensive coordinator Greg Knapp and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver.
“I don’t think this is the time,” Allen said. “We do have one game left. There will be time to assess all aspects of the organization, coaching staff included. We’ll do that at some point after the season.”
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Best thing I read all day.
If you guys saw his post game interview yesterday he praised Tarver (by name) and criticised the offense in general which is directed at Knapp of course.
Then during the plane ride home he realized there are millions out there who think like 504 and took his comments as Knapp’s on his way out. So he changes the way he talks today with the above quote.
Merry Christmas My Raider Nation Brothers. Many people open can’t wait and have to open up one of their gifts the day before Christmas. D.A. just handed us ours and I am so grateful and happy. Thank You D.A.!!!!!
December 24th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
The Raiders allowed 419 points through their first 15 games. They need to hold the Chargers to 13 or fewer if they are to better last season’s total.
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Chuck B > Jason T ??
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LOL! I’d say Al Davis’s outdated scheme > DA
December 24th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Well ow the he11 did you do that? Have I had too many egg nogs?
December 24th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Dennis Allen isn’t “dumb” . He had a reputation around the league for being a bright young up-n-comer coach in the league, who was mentored by some very good veteran coaches. I tried to tell you people that Denver’s defensive improvement last season had more to do with getting Elvis Dumervil back from injury and drafting Von Miller than his impact alone. plus the Tebow factor
whatever DA gets credit or blame for the past 2 seasons in Denver & Oakland is irrelevant imo. 2013 Raiders will look much different. I think half of the roster and half of the coaching staff will be purged …
Allen was in over his head this year. Part of that had to do with a crappy roster. Part of that can be chalked up to rookie mistakes. Part of that could be due to the distraction of having an ailing father who would eventually pass away DURING the season. none of things should be overlooked. Maybe Dennis Allen wasn’t “qualified” for the job when Reggie hired him, but that doesn’t mean we’ll flop next season just because he’s the HC!
December 24th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Merry elfin Xmas to everybody else, too!!
December 24th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Kell,
could we right the ship by hiring Ray Anderson (front office), Winston Moss as HC and promoting Kelly Skipper to OC ??
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Winston Moss & Kelly Skipper……….lets see…………….I would be alright with that maybe….Skippers offense?
Like I said the HC coming in here to right things and win needs some Gravitas, IMO.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Yep, if DA stays the ZBS stays.
I wonder who is more valuable DA or DMAC.?
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DMC looks like the bust he was before Hue got here…But hey let’s give props to DA on something. He was able to shut down DMC in Oakland after getting ran over by him @ Denver.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Let me be the first to wish RAIDERNATION “Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
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Thanks Raiderjambo! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family. Take care!
December 24th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Kell,
Allen doesn’t have “Gravitas” ??
based on what?
he went to a different nail salon than Hue Jax?
December 24th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
6.Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
On Monday, Allen added: “I don’t know that he’s got full command of everything that we’re doing.
Who the he11 does on offense?
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No kidding right? Pryor probably doesn’t know how to throw a ton of int’s yet or sit in the pocket until a defender crush his azz. Can’t say D.A. is lying right there.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Dennis Allen isn’t “dumb” . He had a reputation around the league for being a bright young up-n-comer coach in the league, who was mentored by some very good veteran coaches. I tried to tell you people that Denver’s defensive improvement last season had more to do with getting Elvis Dumervil back from injury and drafting Von Miller than his impact alone. plus the Tebow factor
whatever DA gets credit or blame for the past 2 seasons in Denver & Oakland is irrelevant imo. 2013 Raiders will look much different. I think half of the roster and half of the coaching staff will be purged …
Allen was in over his head this year. Part of that had to do with a crappy roster. Part of that can be chalked up to rookie mistakes. Part of that could be due to the distraction of having an ailing father who would eventually pass away DURING the season. none of things should be overlooked. Maybe Dennis Allen wasn’t “qualified” for the job when Reggie hired him, but that doesn’t mean we’ll flop next season just because he’s the HC!
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Actually he is dumb. See hiring of Knapp. And tell me Hue wasn’t given the benefit of the doubt. Didn’t he encounter the same issues, if not more, than Tits?
December 24th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Their 14 other games are: Denver Broncos, Chargers and Kansas City Chiefs, home and away; Jacksonville Jaguars, Tennessee Titans, Philadelphia Eagles and Washington Redskins at home; Indianapolis Colts, Houston Texans, Dallas Cowboys and New York Giants on the road.
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In Dallas again? Seems like it was just a couple of seasons ago they played here on Thanksgiving.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
r8eray Says
Leinart is injury prone, so Pryor could very well take over at QB regardless of the whole “package of plays if the opportunity arises” thing.
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Leinart has had season ending injuries in 3 of his last 8 starts. Lechler could become No.2 QB after a week of practice though!Re-sign that boy!!
December 24th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Skippers offense?
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yeah Kell. he’s been with the team since 2007 and has OC experience from UCLA (2 years)
the players love him, especially McFadden & Reece (ie “the playmakers”)
December 24th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
@ Civilian
quick question: are you a Raiders fan or a Hue Jackson fan?
get off the fence and pick one. the man isn’t coming back in any capacity. it’s time to move on
December 24th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
@ Civilian
quick question: are you a Raiders fan or a Hue Jackson fan?
get off the fence and pick one. the man isn’t coming back in any capacity. it’s time to move on
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Raider fan…Easier question…Is Dennis Allen a better HC(or coordinator for that matter) than Hue?
2nd question…Why does DA deserve another year when Hue didn’t get one?
December 24th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Lechler could become No.2 QB after a week of practice
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LOL @ Purv!
if Shane passes Terrelle on the depth chart, i’m going to assume Dennis & Greg are racist scumbags
December 24th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Looks like RaiderRockstar’s handle has been “Jacked”, people.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
PIF, you sure I said that?
It just happens to be your absolutely right!
r8eray co-signs!
December 24th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
“Early in the game, Newton threw jab-like punches at Mitchell and linebacker Miles Burris after being taken down. Then, midway through the second quarter, after being sacked by Desmond Bryant and Tommy Kelly, Newton kicked Kelly in the facemask as Kelly lifted himself from the pile. At the end of the scrum, and after Kelly went after Newton, Kelly was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct.
-CSN BAY AREA
“I wasn’t fixing to take that from nobody,” “I’m a grown-ass man.”
-Tommy Kelly
“”I don’t think he liked to get hit,” “He was doing a lot of complaining. This is full-speed tackle football.”
“Complaining all the time gets old.”
-Mike Mitchell
A bit of the old Raiders still exists. Despite the penalties, I think they earned some measure of respect if a team gets out of hand. I think there is a faint light at the end of the tunnel for these Raiders. That kind of thing means they care – if their QB is taken out, they will retaliate. I only wish they had this moxie v. the Ravens.
yeah Knapp sucks, the season is lost, but I liked that fire..and they kept Newton in check (170 yds) they shut down the running game, too.
they got a little something to work with here, but Knapp has to go.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Is Dennis Allen a better HC(or coordinator for that matter) than Hue?
2nd question…Why does DA deserve another year when Hue didn’t get one?
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Allen was DC. Jackson was OC (apples & oranges)
jury is still out on Allen as HC. 1 year doesn’t tell us all we need to know about him
Dennis gets another year because Mark & Reggie feel it is appropriate. Hue didn’t because the owner/gm that hired him died and the new guys think he’s a worthless pos. The rest of the league co-signed when all Hue was considered for was an asst special teams job for his buddy Marvin Lewis. sometimes it’s not what you know, but who you know!!
December 24th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
OK,HUE GOT SCREW’D.THAT IS PAST.WHAT WILL CRY’N 24/7 ABOUT IT DO? NOT BRING HIM BACK.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Looks like RaiderRockstar’s handle has been “Jacked”, people.
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Nope!
I’d be fine with Skipper as OC. Saunders could assist him and work with the WR’s & TE’s a little more
December 24th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Great posts after this last game. Also, need some help on two things:
1) How do you reply to someone else’s post?
and
2) Who was the guy who made the first reference to DA as “Tits” on this blog? That guy deserves an extra Christmas stocking.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
“Early in the game, Newton threw jab-like punches at Mitchell and linebacker Miles Burris after being taken down. Then, midway through the second quarter, after being sacked by Desmond Bryant and Tommy Kelly, Newton kicked Kelly in the facemask as Kelly lifted himself from the pile. At the end of the scrum, and after Kelly went after Newton, Kelly was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct.
-CSN BAY AREA
“I wasn’t fixing to take that from nobody,” “I’m a grown-ass man.”
-Tommy Kelly
“”I don’t think he liked to get hit,” “He was doing a lot of complaining. This is full-speed tackle football.”
“Complaining all the time gets old.”
-Mike Mitchell
A bit of the old Raiders still exists. Despite the penalties, I think they earned some measure of respect if a team gets out of hand. I think there is a faint light at the end of the tunnel for these Raiders. That kind of thing means they care – if their QB is taken out, they will retaliate. I only wish they had this moxie v. the Ravens.
yeah Knapp sucks, the season is lost, but I liked that fire..and they kept Newton in check (170 yds) they shut down the running game, too.
they got a little something to work with here, but Knapp has to go.
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Agree.
I’ve never seen such a display from a grown man. He was acting like a little girl.
December 24th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
No to Norv Turner as a OC. Turner is a 90’s type of offense guy. The league has advanced past old guys like Norv. Norv is a 2 handoff and pass type aka 3 and out unless his guys make plays consistently. His offense is VERY predictable. The only thing that makes him better than Knapp is he will utilize schemes mazimizing his players strengths.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Is Dennis Allen a better HC(or coordinator for that matter) than Hue?
2nd question…Why does DA deserve another year when Hue didn’t get one?
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Allen was DC. Jackson was OC (apples & oranges)
jury is still out on Allen as HC. 1 year doesn’t tell us all we need to know about him
Dennis gets another year because Mark & Reggie feel it is appropriate. Hue didn’t because the owner/gm that hired him died and the new guys think he’s a worthless pos. The rest of the league co-signed when all Hue was considered for was an asst special teams job for his buddy Marvin Lewis. sometimes it’s not what you know, but who you know!!
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It’s apples & oranges cuz Hue looks better and you don’t want to admit that.
So the “new guys” think Hue is a POS, and yet they signed a HC whose main qualification was ‘My Guy’ of the 24th ranked D, a college Co-DC, trashed the successful offense for the great Greg Knap. What’s that say about their ability to make decisions that will help this team win games?
Also, what’s it say about the league, or more importantly the new Reggime when Greg Knapp can get an OC job but Hue can’t?
December 24th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
we all know Hue Jack was way better then Knapp, not even close imo , but facts are facts he is never coming back not with RM as GM.
lets move on now….
December 24th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Dennis gets another year because Mark & Reggie feel it is appropriate. Hue didn’t because the owner/gm that hired him died and the new guys think he’s a worthless pos. The rest of the league co-signed when all Hue was considered for was an asst special teams job for his buddy Marvin Lewis. sometimes it’s not what you know, but who you know!!
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*Note; the cross posting trolls have the same thing in common. Bootlickers.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Turner’s last 4 or 5 OC stints have almost always lead to production and an eventual promotion to HC …
the man is 60 years old, but he’s an upgrade to guys like Knapp & Saunders for sure!!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Angry Little Man Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
we all know Hue Jack was way better then Knapp, not even close imo , but facts are facts he is never coming back not with RM as GM.
lets move on now….
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“Moving on” is what cause these problems in the 1st place…Notice Hue haters/DA apologists can’t use anything football-related to say why DA should keep his job like Hue didn’t.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Derek Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
No to Norv Turner as a OC. Turner is a 90’s type of offense guy. The league has advanced past old guys like Norv. Norv is a 2 handoff and pass type aka 3 and out unless his guys make plays consistently. His offense is VERY predictable. The only thing that makes him better than Knapp is he will utilize schemes mazimizing his players strengths.
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I don’t know. Norv is dangerous with dynamic players. The last couple of years all he’s had is Phillip. Who isn’t that much of a threat by himself.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
“Moving on” is what cause these problems in the 1st place…Notice Hue haters/DA apologists can’t use anything football-related to say why DA should keep his job like Hue didn’t.
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They’ll postulate some “character issue” or some other diversion.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
honestly I think Hue sealed his own fate when he tried to make a power grab within the organization. Basically he pissed off Mark Davis.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
A Big Hell No to Kelly Skipper as OC. I’d rather Knapp. Skipper only knows how to eat and wear shades on the sideline. He grew up here in N.O. while his father (Jim) was the longtime RB coach of the Saints under Mora Sr. His brother Timmy played LB at Fresno and I believe is an asst coach over there now or was at one point. Put it this way, daddy Jim has way more skind on the wall than Kelly and I wouldn’t want Daddy Jim to run our offense. I wouldn’t mind if Jim took Kelly’s spot on our staff though. He’s still somewhere in the league.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Al Davis went thru HC’s like nobody’s business.
perhaps “changing the culture” includes keeping a HC beyond 1 or 2 seasons?
Don’t you think that weighs in on a potential future HC hire who may have other options? no job security. win now or get the heck out. There’s a reason Oakland always has to sort thru the trash HC candidates that nobody else wants and you can’t blame the players. players change every year.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Al Davis went thru HC’s like nobody’s business.
perhaps “changing the culture” includes keeping a HC beyond 1 or 2 seasons?
Don’t you think that weighs in on a potential future HC hire who may have other options? no job security. win now or get the heck out. There’s a reason Oakland always has to sort thru the trash HC candidates that nobody else wants and you can’t blame the players. players change every year.
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The Knapp suckers won’t even post under their own name anymore. That ought to tell you something. Lol.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
They’ll postulate some “character issue” or some other diversion.
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Ron Wolf was interviewed right after Hue Jax was fired and before Dennis Allen was even interviewed for the HC job. he mentioned something about Hue’s “reputation around the league” … what do you think that meant, Kell?
December 24th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
RaiderRockstar- you bring up a good point on players and potencial coaches not wanting to play/coach here if we go thru coaches every freakin year.
I personally wanna see what DA can do with another year of exp under his belt.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
They’ll postulate some “character issue” or some other diversion.
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Ron Wolf was interviewed right after Hue Jax was fired and before Dennis Allen was even interviewed for the HC job. he mentioned something about Hue’s “reputation around the league” … what do you think that meant, Kell?
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Can you provide a link,?
December 24th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
read this:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/04/hue-jackson-ron-wolf-tug-of-war-could-be-coming-in-oakland/
December 24th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
And here’s my draft wish list if we are to really turn this thing around:
Round 1: Impact player- Star, D Moore, Werner or Teo.
Round 3: Best QB on the board.
Round 4: Best QB on the board.
Round 6: BPA
Round 7: BPA
Round 7: BPA
Reggie can get a starter or two O-Linemen in FAs and the other positions as well. CB, LB, DT, TE.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
They’ll postulate some “character issue” or some other diversion.
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Ron Wolf was interviewed right after Hue Jax was fired and before Dennis Allen was even interviewed for the HC job. he mentioned something about Hue’s “reputation around the league” … what do you think that meant, Kell?
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It’s well known that Hue didn’t have a great reputation with his colleagues.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
read this:
http://www.csncalifornia.com/raiders/mckenzie-says-he-fired-jackson
December 24th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
Some teams have already started to make roster moves .
Some have even Fire coaches . Others are sitting players
But REGGIE is always slow to move. And Knapp is hiding
And if he saves himself, Dude we are screw.We will have the
same $hit Offense. Somebody Shine a light to this guy”s face.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
read this:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/04/hue-jackson-ron-wolf-tug-of-war-could-be-coming-in-oakland/
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Yes, I believe this is why Hue was fired.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
“I really don’t know Hue Jackson at all other than by reputation” – Ron Wolf
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/01/04/ron-wolf-on-95-7-the-game/
December 24th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Good Tug of War article Rockstar.
I’ve always held that Reggie was in a position that he just HAD to fire Hue whether it was right or wrong. He wouldn’t have been able to effectively do his job with Hue being there. He knew the team would probably take a step backwards but hoped for the best that it might not.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
regarding Knapp: who else was available in February?
Allen wants to run a zbs / wco and he’s not the only one. Knapp was made available by the Texans and had experience running the system we want. It’s obvious he’s not the man for the job, but at least now the system is in place and we should be able to find a better play caller to run the same system and it wont be completely foreign to the players. Going back to an Air Coryell offense would basically be our 3rd offense in 3 years. not a formula for success
December 24th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Merry Christmas from Central Pennsylvania!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
NORAD says Santa should be here soon!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
And Reggie doesn’t have as much patience for Knapp as D.A. does which is why I’m sure Reggie told D.A. that Mark is probably gonna give me two more years to fix this team or I’m out. I’m gonna give you(D.A.) one more year to fix it. where our offense is right now will take longer than another year to fix. Hell Knapp even said it would take 5-6 years.
So if you gonna stick with Knapp for next year, I’m gonna stick with having Saunders around just in case we have to do something during the season and I ain’t just talking OC changes.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
no more comments from the Hue Jackson fanclub?
LOL!!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
Knapp save himself from the first one born male should be kill law! He blames the ZBS takes time to learn and some players take long to learn it.
What he expects to stay and give us another 4-12 season ?
4-12 Again if Knapp Stays !
December 24th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
210.RaiderRockstar Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
regarding Knapp: who else was available in February?
Allen wants to run a zbs / wco and he’s not the only one. Knapp was made available by the Texans and had experience running the system we want. It’s obvious he’s not the man for the job, but at least now the system is in place and we should be able to find a better play caller to run the same system and it wont be completely foreign to the players. Going back to an Air Coryell offense would basically be our 3rd offense in 3 years. not a formula for success
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Look for D.A. to purge an assistant who can call plays from Seattle, Washington, or Green Bay’s staffs.
December 24th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
no more comments from the Hue Jackson fanclub?
LOL!!
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What do you want us to say cross poster?
8 wins is twice as good as 4?
December 24th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
PUT YOUR PANTS UP !
If Knapp Survives he will–
Give it up our nose with a RUBBER HOSE !
December 24th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Did I read that Beeech got banned?!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
REGGIE is looking for Knapp inside a Theater. But the light is
Dull and he didn’t buy DURACELLS and all the Stores are now Close for the HOLLIDAYS !
December 24th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Its pathetic some of the excuses you fans make for this awful display of football. ‘Give it more time they say’. In the spirit of Christmas: “Baaaahumbug”
December 24th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
RM is a fkn idiot too. Its his fault we are in the mess to begin with. I see no light at the end of the tunnel with this coaching staff still in place. You give DA another year, he gets new assistants, and we’ll still suck. He may get us sort of competitive with new assistants but we aint goin nowhere as a ball club under him. Average at best. Move on
December 24th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
I don’t think that guy is competent enough to hire the right assistants …hell, he fired all the great assistants we had on offense and replaced them with what exactly??
December 24th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
referencing DA in #223
December 24th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
*Note; the cross posting trolls have the same thing in common. Bootlickers.
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Does having an undying respect for Al Davis’s Raiders and what Al Davis accomplished as a coach,owner, commissioner and hall of fame member qualify me as a bootlicker? I’m in!!
December 24th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Dear Santa. All I want for Christmas is a Raider football team without knapp and maybe DA is OK, but I’d rather have Hue Jackson and if we can’t have Hue could we at least get Gruden back. I know last year I wanted to keep Hue, but since that didn’t happen, do something. I don’t care. Just a new OC would be a huge starter. If DA goes too, bring back Hue or Cable. But Gruden would be big. We need coaches, you know this. I think Oakland was good this year despite our bad football team due to the coaches, so we deserve some good coaches. That is all the fvck I want for Christmas. Make it happen if you got any balls.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
I’m on record as an unrepepentant Raider blog poster with no real life as evidenced by this very post. As are all of you on this Christmas eve. Remember, It never goes away. The proof is indelibly writ in the intergalactis bit bucket. Carry on! Merry Xmas!
December 24th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Scourge Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Did I read that Beeech got banned?!
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Sho ’nuff. WHUT
December 24th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
BEECH!!
December 24th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
How The F*ck are ya! We missed ya! *Someone* with the double consonant posted that you were banned!
December 24th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Scourge Says:
Did I read that Beeech got banned?!
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Doubt it. If anyone noticed, they probably wouldn’t have commented on it. If anyone noticed.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
8 wins + 8 wins 16 wins. WHUT?
Reg needs a little party time on my pleasure cruise to figure this out.
BIG DAWGS AND SMOKIN LAWGS
December 24th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
omoran Says:
PUT YOUR PANTS UP !
If Knapp Survives he will–
Give it up our nose with a RUBBER HOSE !
Raider (since 1967)★
REGGIE is looking for Knapp inside a Theater. But the light is
Dull and he didn’t buy DURACELLS and all the Stores are now Close for the HOLLIDAYS !
December 24th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
REGGIE is looking for Knapp inside a Theater. But the light is Dull and he didn’t buy DURACELLS and all the Stores are now Close for the HOLLIDAYS !
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I like it.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
If Al Davis were still with us he would have no problem firing DA, Knapp, Reggie, Tarver and anybody else he felt like. And for good reason. This season was tanked. And not by the players.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Beeech, what’s your plan for this evening? Mebbe if you’re good Santa’ll bring you something nice!
December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
– Allen declined to assess the performance of offensive coordinator Greg Knapp and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver.
“I don’t think this is the time,” Allen said.
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Shoulda been right after game 2 of pre season.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Merry Christmas all good Raider bretheren. Got a feeling Santa is going to be real good to the Raiders next season. Peace and Love to all my Raider kin.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Same to you, Seymour Bush!
December 24th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Same to ya Bush
December 24th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
504
#203
Draft is exactly what Reggie needs to do
#1 pick impact player on defense
2nd & 3rd pick, best qbs on the board, trade lower round picks and players to move into 2nd round.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
From: pro-football-reference.
Edward Shane Lechler
Punters Everywhere sponsor(s) this page.
One of the best ever, if not the best.
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No rating,no comparisons, unusual for PFR. Might be our #2 QB nxt year.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Bush, back at ya.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Just for giggles.
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:26 am
How about this guy for OC? Resume looks as good, if not better than Knapps.
In (2003), He was hired by Mike Tice as an Offensive Quality Control coach/QB’s Minnesota Vikings.(64.0% 4169yds).(2004)(68.8% 4754yds). In (2005) He was promoted by the Minnesota Vikings to Assistant QB coach.(63.3%/ 3449yds).
Scott Linehan hired Him to St. Louis Rams in (2006) as Quality Control coach/RB’s. (1805 yds, 4.3 yds per attempt)
Who is this undiscovered gem?
Randy Hanson!
December 24th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:26 am
How about this guy for OC? Resume looks as good, if not better than Knapps.
In (2007) he was hired by Lane Kiffin to coach QB’s, more specifically, Jamarcus Russell
In (2009) He was hired by Eric Mangini to tutor QB Mark Sanchez
Out of the NFL from 2010-11
In (2012) Was rehired by Dennis Allen whose had an entire offseason and 14 games to get Terrelle Pryor “Not even Close to Ready”
Who is this well discovered Gem?
John DeFilippo
December 24th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
The Judge was still upset, and had a valid point about DeFilippo. But I didn’t say that.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
8 wins is twice as many as 4.
8 wins is 3.66 times 3 wins.
December 24th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
PIF= The Old Regime
December 24th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Raiders RG Mike Brisiel sustained a concussion in Sunday’s loss to the Panthers.
It’s the second concussion he’s dealt with this season. Assuming he sits out the finale, Brisiel will finish a disappointing year with the Raiders, grading out negatively in all aspects by Pro Football Focus. Lucas Nix or Alex Parsons will likely be used to replace him in the starting lineup.
Source: Steve Corkran on Twitter
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Good….hope that mofo don’t play come Sunday!
Worthless POS….just my opinion!
December 24th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Time to move on…we need a (again) whole new coaching staff!
$ucks to admit it but it’s the truth…none of this give it 3 year deal to make it sync! Eff that…we need outcome, ASAP! Over 10 years in the making…its time (again) for a change!
Love them titties..but them titties gotta go!
December 24th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
December 24th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
It’s a shame that Hardy didn’t drill Pryor too.
Wouldn’t have to listen to all this “start Pryor” crap.
Next season Pryor will be wasting a roster spot on some other team
December 24th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Love them little titties, titties what I love to eat. Bite they little heads off, nibble on they tiny feet.
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Mousies, titties, it’s all the same. B. Kliban
December 24th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Christmas Eve and here I am reading your posts. FML!!
December 24th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
December 24th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Could be worse I guess. It could be one of those racism “discussions.”
December 24th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
It’s a shame that Hardy felt it neccesary to drill anybody with his helmet from that far away. He could have made a hell of a clean tackle and maybe taken Palmer out anyway. He should be suspended. He came clean and untouched for ten yards and chose to hit Palmer in the back like this.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22250758/oakland-raiders-lose-carolina-panthers-17-6
December 24th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Well, I’m hitting the rack. Have a good Xmas all! You too, Beeech!
Laterz…….
December 24th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
I want Krapp and Titties (chappelle hi pitch sing song voice) gone…No doubt…
however if Tp6 is playing I would like to see him do well.
So maybe a shoot out game with our defense (t1ts supposed prowess) failing us in teh 4th.
ie not pryors fault…so we still go 4-12 -and- clowne coache cadre still takes the heat (and gets fired).
its christams right?
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# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Since everyone has been adament that they want to lose for a better draft position, will you same guys be then rooting for Pryor to fail for said better draft position?
December 24th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
Thank you for an enjoyable year.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
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My pleasure Mr P/I
:mrgeeen:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Super Bowl. Next year. You heard it here first.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
I said it a month ago. Play Pryor.
Why did Palmer even need to be on the field the last four games. Should’ve started spreading the playing time as soon as they were out of the race.
Now Palmer’s hurt–I guess at least he’ll off the entire off season to heal.
I really don’t care what Leinart has to offer. He’s a dime-a-dozen QB. You can pay anyone to throw for 50% and throw INTs.
Should’ve been getting TP the experience a month ago. If for no other reason than to make him the back-up.
Palmer didn’t need to be taking those hits for nothing.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Palmer wasn’t taking hits for nothing. 4,000 yds passing helps him get a big paycheck next year.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
December 24th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Was gone for a bit. Glad I got you’re att’n.
December 24th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
December 24th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Palmer wasn’t taking hits for nothing. 4,000 yds passing helps him get a big paycheck next year.
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That’s just one more reason why, from a business standpoint, to sit Palmer and get a young guy some experience when the games don’t mean anything for you.(except draft position)
Two high picks invested plus the cash, and he’s out there breaking ribs in week 16 and they’re 4-11?
All the while, you’ve get an interesting prospect sitting around doing nothing. I don’t get that.
Merry xmas to all, to all a goodnight!!
December 24th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Dennis Allen is the worst coach in Raider history.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Pryor is our best quarterback.
Reece is our best running back.
So they don’t play.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
For everyone creaming over Del Rio, let me tell you: He will NEVER come back here. It has nothing to do with the Raiders, it has everything to do with his past. I’m not going to get into specifics, but that scumbag is damn lucky he didn’t do time. Believe it!
December 24th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Let me be the first to wish RAIDERNATION “Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!…Hmmmm…New Head Coach and staff! That’s my wish for this year!
December 24th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Mr Green Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Super Bowl. Next year. You heard it here first.
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I assumed there would be a Super Bowl every year until they say otherwise.
Wait, did you mean the Raiders will be playing in the Super Bowl? I think there is a better chance we see the Raiders playing the Puppy Bowl. Raiders are 10 point underdogs in that game.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Merry Christmas and a happy new year from your brothers across the pond. God bless us everyone!
December 25th, 2012 at 12:09 am
December 25th, 2012 at 12:11 am
Got caught up with some incredible guitar stuff on pbs.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Raider crap on csnca right now
December 25th, 2012 at 12:16 am
First and foremost the Raiders are a franchise, in other words, a business. Mark Davis knows this as well as anyone.
What he needs to do is simple and plain from both a football and more importantly a business perspective…
Buy Dennis Allen out of his contract and Greg Knapp as well if necessary. Then he needs to fly Jon Gruden out here First Class and make him the head coach of the Oakland Raiders.
Within less than a month, he will make back every penny he spent to buy out Dennis Allen and then some many times over. Season tix will be instantly sold out, blackouts will become a distant memory, and the buzz surrounding the Oakland Raiders will be the highest its been since Bo Jackson ran over Bozworth. It will revitalize the Raider Nation like we haven’t seen in decades
Say what you want, but this is the best thing to do for the Raiders brand and business. It actually makes so much sense, it will probably never happen. But it desperately needs to.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:20 am
KoolKell Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Palmer wasn’t taking hits for nothing. 4,000 yds passing helps him get a big paycheck next year.
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Ever seen one, KK? No, don’t think so.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:29 am
ArmChair GM Says:
Then he needs to fly Jon Gruden out here First Class…
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Norv Turner, great OC. No, thanks,been there, done that. Jon Gruden, great run, no thanks, been there, done that. Ex players, sure, bring ‘em back. Ex coaches, if they’re not moving up, no thanks. Ain’t no looking back. It is ahead of us. Witness Knapp!
December 25th, 2012 at 12:30 am
December 25th, 2012 at 12:31 am
Hey! that looks good. Romo trashing Knapp right now.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Romo wants Tebow as a Raider!?!?
December 25th, 2012 at 12:58 am
personally, i feel carson palmer gave us his all. a raider for life with his guts and play with a terrible supporting cast and questionable coaches.
December 25th, 2012 at 1:08 am
Throwing this out at on Xmas Odds Pryor starts on Sunday????? Anyone Bueller
December 25th, 2012 at 1:13 am
Palmer is a wimp and Hardy barely touched him. see photo..http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22250758/oakland-raiders-lose-carolina-panthers-17-6…Kelly and Mitchell are thugs and should be suspended for brutalizing Kimmy Newton. see clueless …http://www.catscratchreader.com/
December 25th, 2012 at 1:19 am
Leinart will start and Lechler will play 2nd half.
December 25th, 2012 at 1:52 am
If we really play miami and miami on the road, then my
hopes for a perfect season are flushed away…
December 25th, 2012 at 2:54 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 1:19 am
Leinart will start and Lechler will play 2nd half.
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missdick’s head would explode.
December 25th, 2012 at 2:56 am
but i think leinart and pryor will both get time. unfortunately, i think pryor will make leinart look like an nfl qb, practically saving his chance for a job somewhere next year. cuz i think after sunday, leinart will be hard pressed to find a job next season. but when pryor starts chucking dirtballs, leinart will seem reasonable.
December 25th, 2012 at 2:59 am
merry Christmas everyone! ur gift? the #3 pick in the draft, and several months of this board going crazy on what to do with it.
also, has beech been around? isn’t his general absence an early gift to all of us? and sullivan has been mostly gone too. and fangs keeps getting banned. beautiful.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:39 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
1+1=2;
Palmer bruised lung and broken ribs plus previous retirement once before equals drafting a quarterback just became a higher priority for Reggie McKenzie.
Allen the organization and the team need you to start Pryor to know if we need to use our first or third round draft choice on a quarterback or not.
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Lets look at that.
Raiders pick at the 3 position
KC projected at 1
and Geno Smith appears one option, along with CB Dee Milliner, Rush OLB Jarvis Jones or Luke Joeckel
Jacksonville at 2 takes Star Lotulelei,, OLB Dion Jordan or DE Bjorn Werner
that leaves Oakland with Dion Jordan, Dee Milliner, Barkevious Mingo or Jarvis Jones…i believe Manti Te’o would be too high at 3, but the “leadership intangible” could keep him in
*this means that Raiders would need to trade out of 3 (to 16, allowing Rams to take Jake Matthews or Bjoern Werner.) at 16 Raiders could take Johnathan Hankins, Ezekiel Ansah or CB Johnathan Banks
with the additional pick from the Rams, the Raiders could take QB Tyler Wilson , Aaron Murray or Ryan Nassib.
it also means Terrelle Pryor would need a chance, but you’d need veteran insurance if you forgo drafting a QB.
vet QB’s include
Alex Smith (rumors appear Smith will be back with Niners)
Michael Vick
Joe Flacco (likely to be re-signed by Ravens)
or low end backups
Chase Daniel
Drew Stanton
15 mil is invested in Palmer next year – and there will be an appreciable cap hit
very likely Palmer back, but it was foolish to not get an audition for Terrelle Pryor.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:42 am
Merry Christmas all!
Did anyone else notice…I think it was our illustrious top pick who allowed that sack which knocked out Palmer.
It might be a good thing long-term as it forces in Pryor (just like Dmac injury forced in Reece and his only playing time).
But, I hate to see our top pick come in and allow that.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:43 am
CP is a tough mofo. He started every game since we signed him and he had to be hospitalized to stop him.
I would not be surprised if Reggie got a nice offer in trade for CP this offseason
December 25th, 2012 at 5:45 am
Merry Christmas Maverick
Good job in FF
December 25th, 2012 at 5:52 am
Yeah, FF wasn’t bad. Ended up higher last year as I missed the playoffs by mere points. But, damned shame. Coulda come out on top maybe.
You guys are fun to play with.
Hopefully the Raiders make better decisions this offseason than last.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:53 am
CP is good. Think in a better system he’d get a hellova lot more points on the board.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:56 am
Tim Tebow as a Raider, would be an excellent Christmas gift to Raider Nation (he simply wins football games).
December 25th, 2012 at 5:59 am
Aaron Murray would be a steal in the 3rd round.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:46 am
Tebow can kick rocks, nothing against the guy other than he isn’t NFL QB material. He comes here he’ll be nothing but a distraction.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Vote no on Tebow!
December 25th, 2012 at 7:35 am
We need a stud WR, just one. I think that he will pull enough attention that the other WR can get open at that point.
And Knapp better go, and go hard.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Merry X-Mas mofo’s!!!!!
December 25th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Aaron Murray would be a steal in the 3rd round.
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Exactly the reason he won’t last into the 3rd round.
2nd round is a possibility though, but we don’t have a pick.
Best way for us to get into the 2nd, IMO, is to package a later pick with a player.
Say, Carson and a 6th, Jacob and a 4th, McNinny and a 2014 4th, etc.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Raiderzmaverick Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 5:42 am
It might be a good thing long-term as it forces in Pryor (just like Dmac injury forced in Reece and his only playing time).
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The irony of that is…Pryor throwback play was the longest gain of the entire game.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Sometimes, younger QB’s play their best ball their first few starts before the league gets some film and adapts.
Remember Jamarcus’ week 17 1st start of his career? Didn’t look to bad. You see it with many others as well.
So I think TP WILL play, and will play OK. Besides, San Diego has nothing to play for and they won’t exactly be flocking to the ball-carrier, so I would expect TP to run around a little and make some plays.
And thus the whole offseason of hand the keys to TP propaganda will begin.
At least it will give us something to talk about.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Still wonder why an experienced HC or GM would not want any part of this????
Below is a summary of how disastrous our cap situation was and what Reggie has had to deal with.
It was created over several years as we continued to draft poorly, over rate free agents and pay far above market value for very little production. The cap issues alone are a three year project. Forget about aging players that lack talent to compete at the NFL level. That is a draft problem that is a multiyear fix as well given our lack of picks.
In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. That is easily the most money ever spent on a team in the history of the NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.
Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN.
In general manager Reggie McKenzie’s first offseason with the team, HIS HANDS WERE ESSENTIALLY TIED DUE TO A TOUGH SALARY CAP AND VERY FEW DRAFT PICKS. IN THE 2013 DRAFT, THE RAIDERS WILL HAVE MORE SELECTIONS, AS WELL AS A FIRST-ROUND PICK FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2010.
The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.
Reggie:
“Guys, I mean what happened this offseason; I don’t wish that on anybody, maybe the other teams in our division. That was a struggle, especially coming in here as a rookie GM. I remember talking to Ted Thompson. His rookie year he was able to get Charles Woodson. I would have liked to have done that. I talked to guys all around the league. I didn’t realize what the situation, how difficult and what other people thought about it. When you get the job people call and say, ‘What are you going to do with that cap? You’re all what over the cap. How are you going to do that?’
You want the players to doggone take it upon themselves and run it. We’re not at that level.”
“The Raiders knew they were taking a risk extending the players they did prior to the lockout.”
Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
Still wonder why experienced NFL coaches and administrators would not want any part of this??
December 25th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Aaron Murray would be a steal in the 3rd round.
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Exactly the reason he won’t last into the 3rd round.
2nd round is a possibility though, but we don’t have a pick.
Best way for us to get into the 2nd, IMO, is to package a later pick with a player.
Say, Carson and a 6th, Jacob and a 4th, McNinny and a 2014 4th, etc.
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So you would want the 2nd rounder for Aaron Murray?
We’d be going with Murray and Pryor – no vet QB?
we’d be trading down – for a pass rusher later? Demontre Moore might last till the mid teens.
what about FA? Seymour is gone, and Kelly might be, too.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:43 am
“The Raiders knew they were taking a risk extending the players they did prior to the lockout.”
Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
Still wonder why experienced NFL coaches and administrators would not want any part of this??
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Bad history of drafting, and Al was too afraid the talent would get worse as they departed, which it did.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:43 am
The Reggie is all about these “Character” guys, and also has seemingly went out of his way to get guys on the field and in the organization, of “faith”.
For that reason, I believe Te’O is at the top of our draft board.
But I think Jax will take him 2nd overall.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:46 am
So you would want the 2nd rounder for Aaron Murray?
We’d be going with Murray and Pryor – no vet QB?
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Your seeing the trend of not needing the “vet” anymore.
Bengals gave the keys to Dalton, 2nd round pick, and they got 2 playoff seasons in two years.
All the rookie’s this year in or in the playoff hunt.
We need a long-term answer at QB, and Carson is just not it. I have been a HUUUUUUUGE Aaron Murray fan for 2 years now.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 2:56 am
but i think leinart and pryor will both get time. unfortunately, i think pryor will make leinart look like an nfl qb, practically saving his chance for a job somewhere next year. cuz i think after sunday, leinart will be hard pressed to find a job next season. but when pryor starts chucking dirtballs, leinart will seem reasonable.
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Why the assumption he would play badly? They’d have to see him play first. WTF?
December 25th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Sam
absolutely
Which is why I have been saying our situation is far worse than many realize. Much bigger than Knapp et all.
Even if we could have gotten a Gruden how much better would we have been? Gruden is human as well. He could not win in Tampa after his talent aged and the team drafted poorly.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 7:43 am
The Reggie is all about these “Character” guys, and also has seemingly went out of his way to get guys on the field and in the organization, of “faith”.
For that reason, I believe Te’O is at the top of our draft board.
But I think Jax will take him 2nd overall.
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and pass on Star Loulelei? or Luke Joeckel? or Bjorn Werner or CB Dee Milliner?
December 25th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Jax needs an identity, a face of the franchise. That new owner wants to make money first, win 2nd.
Te’O will sell a zillion jerseys. Joekel will sell 30 jerseys.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Charlie Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Sam
absolutely
Which is why I have been saying our situation is far worse than many realize. Much bigger than Knapp et all.
Even if we could have gotten a Gruden how much better would we have been? Gruden is human as well. He could not win in Tampa after his talent aged and the team drafted poorly.
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its as if they have organizational paralysis…they cant adjust nor counterpunch..once something doesnt work, they cant adapt.
Very curious to see what Mark Davis does….we end in San Diego again, and could yet another firing occur?
December 25th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Aaron Murray = next Rex Grossman.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Jax needs an identity, a face of the franchise. That new owner wants to make money first, win 2nd.
Te’O will sell a zillion jerseys. Joekel will sell 30 jerseys.
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one word
TEBOW
but this is a moot point as McKenzie will definitely trade down…
December 25th, 2012 at 7:54 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Aaron Murray = next Rex Grossman.
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or Drew Brees. All depends on system, coordinator. Next Rex Grossman is probably Tyler Bray, although he has a laser arm, his decision making is suspect.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:56 am
RM99,
Dump Knapp.
There, I said it.
Too many 3rd and 1 running plays, when league wide, they don’t want no matter what play of blocking system we use.
And the three screens after the botched punt was ridiculous. Nothing wrong with conceding and playing for the FG, but is two screens and a draw too much to ask.
I am over it.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:57 am
“According to ProFootballFocus.com, the only thing on the Oakland pass defense worse than their coverage (-8.0) is their pass rush (-15.7), which brings in to play the old “chicken or the egg” question of would the pass coverage be better with more of a pass rush OR would the pass rush be better with better pass coverage? At any rate, Dee Milliner of the Crimson Tide is a definite upgrade, a solid 6′1″, 199 lb cover corner who supports the run with the best of them. Only 2 interceptions in 2012, but opponents did not test him as he blanketed receivers.”
-Drafttek
December 25th, 2012 at 7:57 am
but this is a moot point as McKenzie will definitely trade down…
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I don’t think anyone wants to trade up in this draft.
Te’O is the only player who someone would make the “splash” to do so.
Nobody is trading up for Joeckel, Star or Milner.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:58 am
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all the posters and to Raider nation everywhere!
December 25th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Tyler Bray has some horrendous accuracy at times.
I didn’t watch much UT football, but enough to see some throws and think “this guy is a 1st round pick”?
Rail-thin too.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Sam
I really think continuity is the best approach given the barriers this group has faced. More churn just tells the next candidate interviewing that expectations for Oakland are unrealistic given the issues I outlined earlier.
The injuries alone along with a razor thin roster this year were tough.
As I have said in some other posts, I would love to have gotten a guy like Gruden with some stud coordinators. That ship has sailed and I do not see a new coordinator as having a big impact relative to the challenge at hand.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 7:46 am
So you would want the 2nd rounder for Aaron Murray?
We’d be going with Murray and Pryor – no vet QB?
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Your seeing the trend of not needing the “vet” anymore.
Bengals gave the keys to Dalton, 2nd round pick, and they got 2 playoff seasons in two years.
All the rookie’s this year in or in the playoff hunt.
We need a long-term answer at QB, and Carson is just not it. I have been a HUUUUUUUGE Aaron Murray fan for 2 years now.
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Hadnt considered Murray….he nearly made the big throw to upset Bama, but ran out of time. Have to watch him more closely.
“Murray has the same body build and size as Drew Brees and reminds me a lot of him when Brees played at Purdue. He always keeps his eyes downfield, stands strong in the pocket, and delivers a very good catchable pass at a high percentage rate to his receivers despite being undersized. It does not mean he will be Drew Brees at the next level, but all of the intangibles are there for him to be successful. Murray became the starter at Georgia as a redshirt freshman in 2010 and had immediate success passing for 24 touchdowns with only 8 interceptions thrown. There were some doubters who said he only performed well because he was surrounded by future NFL first rounder wide receiver A.J. Green and also tight end Orson Charles. Murray proved the next year that he could take on more responsibilities with the offense and responded by throwing 35 touchdown passes, breaking the school record for touchdowns thrown in a season. He has the toughness, vision, and mobility to be a very good starting quarterback in the NFL.”
-Optimum Scouting
interesting….
December 25th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Too many 3rd and 1 running plays, when league wide, they don’t want no matter what play of blocking system we use.
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Wow, so even when trying to post about Knapp’s failures, it creates failures in one’s ability to type.
*they don’t work, no matter what type of play or blocking system one uses*
December 25th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Murray pushes the ball down the field, sometimes to a fault, but he likes to sling it.
Super-quick release as well, which is my favorite part of his game, which is Brees like.
The ball comes out fast, and with some zip.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Sam see my post regarding line play.
I believe great D and O starts with the lines.
9 of your starting 22 (41%) plays exclusively in the box.
OLines create time and space. Dlines destroy time and space.
The rest of the pieces fill in the gaps. We will not be a consistently, strong, winning franchise building our lines with low round draft picks or free agents.
Taken to another extreme, we will not beat our competition when they consistently use high picks to build this part of their team.
These are typically 270-320 pound athletes that need to have the agility and quickness of college level skill players.
We need to build OUR CORE through the draft and expend enough high round draft picks on lineman to ensure superior line play. The way the Raiders used to do it. I believe you build the core of your team through the draft especially with the rookie cap in place. You use FA’s for niche pieces to buy time or plug a hole.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Still wonder why an experienced HC or GM would not want any part of this????
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No, actually I’m wondering why this same nonsense is repeated over and over when it’s simply not true.
Here’s a scoop for you.
There’s only 32 NFL HC and GM positions available.
There is never a shortage of qualified applicants for the job.
Experienced and inexperienced.
The jobs pay extremely well.
Most HCs and GMs that are worth a damn will not shy away from a difficult or a less than ideal situation.
They actually welcome the challenge.
If they fail due to obstacles that can’t possibly be overcome, their colleagues understand this and they still can have a future elsewhere.
For Christ’s sake – Gregg Krapp keeps getting hired.
If they succeed in a difficult situation their reputations are only enhanced.
This notion that Oakland can’t attract a quality HC or GM bcz of the cap or lack of draft picks is utter BS.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:07 am
D-line, 2nd most important in football.
Great D-lines, like the Giants ones, beat a great O-line (like the Pats) 9 out of 10 times.
So it don’t matter if you have Jared Veldheer or Anthony Munoz playing LT, they aren’t blocking Von Miller.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:10 am
No, actually I’m wondering why this same nonsense is repeated over and over when it’s simply not true.
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Because plenty of coaches have told us to F off.
Sarkisian, Sean Peyton, Bruce Arians.
With each passing miserable year and coaching fire, the list of applicants shrinks.
Dennis Allen was about the best we could do last year. You think Jeff Fisher would have even returned Reggie’s phone call?
December 25th, 2012 at 8:13 am
You think Art Shell 2.0 was at the top of Al’s list?
Lane Kiffin?
These are what we were STUCK WITH, not who we wanted first and foremost.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Wait, weren’t the Raiders +8.5 underdogs??
NOW I know why you guys wanted us to kick the FG with 5 minutes to go!!!
17-9 = cover
December 25th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Thank you just fire.
RAIDERMANN
I am as frustrated as losing as you are but this is a real mess. This is 3-5 years of hard work and that is why we had to give a guy with NO HC EXPERIENCE A 4 YEAR DEAL!
DA would have bided his time in Denver, perhaps winning a SuperBowl this year.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:19 am
No, actually I’m wondering why this same nonsense is repeated over and over when it’s simply not true.
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Because plenty of coaches have told us to F off.
Sarkisian, Sean Peyton, Bruce Arians.
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You know as well as I do that those coaches turned down the job bcz of the Al Davis factor.
Al had the reputation of being impossible to work for if you were a HC that wanted to run the show your way.
That’s no longer an issue, is it ?
Like I said, only 32 jobs. The position pays millions.
Coaches and GMs will line up for the position.
Count on that.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:24 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 8:19 am
No, actually I’m wondering why this same nonsense is repeated over and over when it’s simply not true.
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Because plenty of coaches have told us to F off.
Sarkisian, Sean Peyton, Bruce Arians.
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You know as well as I do that those coaches turned down the job bcz of the Al Davis factor.
Al had the reputation of being impossible to work for if you were a HC that wanted to run the show your way.
That’s no longer an issue, is it ?
Like I said, only 32 jobs. The position pays millions.
Coaches and GMs will line up for the position.
Count on that.
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i think Davis didnt believe in paying a lot, and didnt have a GM.
Sarkisian didnt take it, Kiffin did
Payton didnt take it (mainly because Parcells talked him out of it) the fall back candidate ended up being Norv Turner.
“Everything was falling into place for Payton to be the Raiders’ coach, until he talked to his boss in Dallas” the infamous bag of cheese burgers and KFC cole slaw lunch story…
http://blog.al.com/mike-herndon/2010/06/new_orleans_coach_sean_payton_couldnt_stomach_for_oakland_raiders_organization.html
December 25th, 2012 at 8:26 am
I vote no on Tebow for the Raiders but I DO think it would be a shame if his run ended w/out him having a chance.
He’s proved that he can win games…period. Say what you want about the guy.
He has terrible mechanics but he has the intangibles.
Was it just a run of good luck? Maybe…maybe not.
I’d like to see whether he would just fizzle out or maybe just shock everyone like he did last yr.
Not with us though.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:27 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Still wonder why an experienced HC or GM would not want any part of this????
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No, actually I’m wondering why this same nonsense is repeated over and over when it’s simply not true.
Here’s a scoop for you.
There’s only 32 NFL HC and GM positions available.
There is never a shortage of qualified applicants for the job.
Experienced and inexperienced.
The jobs pay extremely well.
Most HCs and GMs that are worth a damn will not shy away from a difficult or a less than ideal situation.
They actually welcome the challenge.
If they fail due to obstacles that can’t possibly be overcome, their colleagues understand this and they still can have a future elsewhere.
For Christ’s sake – Gregg Krapp keeps getting hired.
If they succeed in a difficult situation their reputations are only enhanced.
This notion that Oakland can’t attract a quality HC or GM bcz of the cap or lack of draft picks is utter BS.
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I agree 100%
i think too much was made about Al Davis meddling. The reality was it was a tough place to coach, but he did acquire talent….but the coach couldnt pick his own staff, then the losses piled up and that disaster in 2006 and Russell in 2008.
if you could turn back time….he interviewed Belichick before he took Gruden. Billick was interested, Denny Green, Mike Martz…there were a few…. Petrino and Kiffin just used it as a stepping stone. The buffer between davis was mike lombardi and before that Bruce Allen – once they were gone, THEN it turned.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Raidermann
Not if staying put means they could put another ring on their finger (see DA in Denver) and then get to coach in a more progressive environment.
Do you think DA has not thought about what that might have meant to him?
Perhaps going to Philly OR Chicago with two rings? Clubs that have issues far less serious than us.
See my 306 post on the cap and how long that will affect us.
This is still a work in progress with a brand new scouting department that has never done a draft with the Raiders.Lots of hard work ahead.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Raider Steve Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 8:26 am
I vote no on Tebow for the Raiders but I DO think it would be a shame if his run ended w/out him having a chance.
He’s proved that he can win games…period. Say what you want about the guy.
He has terrible mechanics but he has the intangibles.
Was it just a run of good luck? Maybe…maybe not.
I’d like to see whether he would just fizzle out or maybe just shock everyone like he did last yr.
Not with us though.
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Will be out of football by 2014 and likely heading to politics or joining a show (NFL AM, ESPN college analyst, ABC, you name it.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Sam
I agree with you back in 1998. Mr Davis did still have an eye for talent. There really was never a buffer between an HC and Mr. Davis. (I actually think Lombardi did more to harm to this franchise than many realize. I wish Shell had punched him out.)
In 2012 our situation was and is a total disaster from a cap and draft perspective.
As just fire said, the list of interested applicants has dwindled over the past decade as we continued to mortgage our future.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:34 am
I am as frustrated as losing as you are but this is a real mess. This is 3-5 years of hard work and that is why we had to give a guy with NO HC EXPERIENCE A 4 YEAR DEAL!
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Charlie, I don’t think it should take 5 years.
I agree with your oft repeated axiom that sustainable success requires building the lines.
That said, I think if the Raids can secure a premium or franchise QB in next year’s draft that a 3 year time parameter to be serious contenders is very attainable.
As far as RM giving Tits a 4 year contract – that was a huge mistake.
If Tits wouldn’t sign anything less than a 2 year deal – then you move on to the next candidate.
Simple as that.
The worst thing that could have happened if the Mike Tices and Jim Fassels, Marty Moronwigs of the world didn’t want the job (and trust me, they would have) is you promote Al Saunders to HC.
This ‘woe is me’ ‘no one will come here’ outlook results in unnecessary false desperation and perpetuates a losing attitude.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Raidermann
I agree with three years if we nail our drafts this year and next. We need some luck with injuries as well.
Neither of us was involved in the details surrounding the Allen hire.
I am speculating that we went with an inexperienced HC and offered a 4 year deal because that was the best option available?I can not imagine us doing that if Gruden or Del Rio were interested.
I still believe that our issues have much more to do with on field talent that coaching talent.
Talented teams have supported young heralded assistants like a Madden who took over a young winning team. A lack of talent has hindered some of the best:
Pete Carroll 7-9 First season 14-18 first TWO seasons
Mike Shanahan 6-10 First season 11-21 first TWO seasons (in Washington)
Belichick 36-44 in Cleveland 5-11 first season 16-16 first TWO seasons (in NE)
Reid 5-11 First season 16-16 first two seasons
None of these coaches faced the challenges we have in Oakland. Missing 3 of your top four picks in your first two drafts slows the building process a bit. So does being $20 million over the cap when you take the job.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:50 am
If Tits wouldn’t sign anything less than a 2 year deal – then you move on to the next candidate.
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Come on man, there isn’t a single candidate worth a hill of beans who would sign a 2 year contract.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:51 am
The Indy Colts had 4 draft picks before we were able to pick Bergs, then had another 2 more before we picked Criner.
That is the most hilariously non-funny thing I read this morning.
What a disaster.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Pete Carroll 7-9 First season 14-18 first TWO seasons
Mike Shanahan 6-10 First season 11-21 first TWO seasons (in Washington)
Belichick 36-44 in Cleveland 5-11 first season 16-16 first TWO seasons (in NE)
Reid 5-11 First season 16-16 first two seasons
None of these coaches faced the challenges we have in Oakland. Missing 3 of your top four picks in your first two drafts slows the building process a bit. So does being $20 million over the cap when you take the job.
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This is all true and important to remember. But also, I doubt any of these coaches started off the rebuilding process by hiring the most insipid and underperforming OC in the NFL as their first order of business.
Allen took a team that had one healthy leg and one gimpy one, and hobbled BOTH legs.
This can be corrected.
The defense is playing better finally… the offense continues to underperform. Fire Knapp for the Raiders Xmas present!
December 25th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Just fire
Take a look at the Colts focus over the last four years as well.
In the box talent.
We started that last year as much as possible but as you pointed out we are starting in a huge hole.
The supporting cast was there for Luck and they nailed the pick. (Unlike JR).
December 25th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Charlie Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Just fire
Take a look at the Colts focus over the last four years as well.
In the box talent.
We started that last year as much as possible but as you pointed out we are starting in a huge hole.
The supporting cast was there for Luck and they nailed the pick. (Unlike JR).
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I don’t care what anyone sez… the Colts purposely bagged games last year to accomplish this. That defense had plenty of talent to win games, but laid down every time they needed to. Keeping the two worst QBs in the league knowing PM was out for the season on roster???
Oh well… it worked.
We kinda did this too, IMO… although the draft is garbage this year. No luck.. or Luck.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Gdog
Not sure how much it is the scheme or not having Bush.
The more I think about it the more I liked Bush and his ability for YAC. I wish we could have kept him but see my 306 post on this disaster.
As you have been able to tell on my posts, I prefer ground control pounding of a defense. We had a somewhat healthier Oline last year as well but Dmac needs alot of room to display his skills. Our Oline is at least two years away from that caliber of play.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Charlie Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Gdog
Not sure how much it is the scheme or not having Bush.
The more I think about it the more I liked Bush and his ability for YAC. I wish we could have kept him but see my 306 post on this disaster.
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Bush is doing what exactly for the Bears?
Plus it looks like he gained another 10-15 pounds.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Gdog
Agreed that Bush was not worth what he was asking.
Seemed to be more productive than Dmac relative to our oline capability.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Merry Christmas to all of the Raiders and the Raider Nation. Get well wishes to Carson.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Charlie,
You make some interesting points; incredibly uninspiring, and filled with doom and despair, but interesting.
You guys talk about how no coaches will come here, but this is still the NFL and one of 32 RARE opportunities.
You win…you’re a hero. Gruden made his career here.
As far as “ground and pound” as the way to go, i don’t see it.
Look at the top teams. They all go through the air. Pats, NYG, GB, Denver. Some like the Ravens have more of a mix, but everyone knows…and says..that this is a PASSING league now.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:12 am
I still believe that our issues have much more to do with on field talent that coaching talent.
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Maybe.
But here’s the 64,000 dollar question…
Do you honestly believe that Tits and Krapp are doing a good job with the existing talent they have ?
Did they utilize the roster effectively ?
Maximize production ?
Show the ability to adapt and be flexible ?
Are you satisfied with Krapp’s scheming, game planning or play calling ?
My take is that Tits and Krapp aren’t good enough to bring a Lombardi home – even with a much better roster.
I’m certain Krapp isn’t.
If Tits doesn’t can Krapp, I’ll know he isn’t.
I don’t think RM has done a very good job, but I’m willing to give him some slack as I think his ultimate worthiness will be determined by how well he drafts. Evaluating him on that basis will take a few years.
In the meantime, I reluctantly accept that Tits will probably be back in 2013 and can live with that.
But if Krapp is back, all bets are off.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:17 am
The D is playing much better of late, so that is I guess the one positive of the last month.
Cam had been killing teams, and some good teams, over the past 5 weeks, and then we frustrated the crap out of him.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Start Pryor. We know pretty much what we have in leinert, which doesn’t seem to be much. Though I’ll grant he was cold off the bench for a year (I suspect if he got some reps he would be a serviceable back up). Either find out what we have in Pryor or get rid of him.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:27 am
When u guys talk about 3-5 yr’s are u talking in terms of being a playoff team or challenging for the SB?
Every yr. there are teams who do better than what anybody thought they would, and of course some that do worse.
I’m thinking we have a surprise season that should come our way where we actually do better than expected.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Raidermann
I think our on the field talent is pathetic. Far worse than many on this blog believe. Compounding the problem is we have overpaid for that talent in a disastrous way. See my 306 post.
Given that disastrous backdrop;
I would agree that an EXPERINCED HC would do a better job with our existing talent. I think this is about as good as it gets with a highly touted coordinator as HC and a rookie GM.
It gets back to the point I have been making. It does not appear a guy like Gruden or Del Rio were interested otherwise I think we would have hired them. Further, those guys are not miracle workers;they lost and got fired when their on feild talent declined. Just like any other good HC.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:31 am
The D is playing much better of late, so that is I guess the one positive of the last month.
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It would seem that way but I’m not going to get very excited about shutting down KC or Carolina.
I happen to think Tarver has done a decent job and have not criticized him.
I see some things I don’t like (poorly disguised blitzes coming from 20 yards away), but for the most part I think Tarver has done alright.
He’s had to overcome an unbelievably unstable situation in the secondary, the worst slug MLB (Slo-mania !), lack of an edge pass rush – and although the defense has gotten TORN UP at times – I see some flashes of improvement and cohesiveness.
I have no gripes with Tarver.
Krapp on the other hand…
December 25th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Steve
I meant running style. I think YAC is important especially given our OLINE WOES.
I do believe in 50-50 pass run balance.
Getting too one dimensional is not a good long term winning proposition.
Regarding 3-5 I am talking playoffs.
My post on 306 gives a depressing reality to what we are facing. It can be three if we nail our next two drafts.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:43 am
360, Fair enough. I agree a team needs balance and also that the talent is weak overall, but the problem I have had is that the talent we DO have has not been utilized…and that is sad.
I think we should be better than 4-11 and this is where the coaching/ management deserves no credit for this season.
They all have valid excuses for us to suck; we can give them that, but the expectaion when bringing in a new staff is that they will improve things and exceed the limitations they have.
Maybe we can’t fault them necessarily, but they sure didn’t do anything exceptional.
4-11 is what it is.
If we say they didn’t do anything bad given the limitations, they sure didn’t do anything good either.
I don’t care about the penalties being down. THAT is very little consolation.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:45 am
The Giants won the Super Bowl last year throwing 61% of the time.
50-50 is grandpa football, not relevant today.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Start Leinart, just so things don’t go disastrous on TP and you have to pull the plug on him later in the game.
Play Pryor here and there, and let him play as much as he succeeds.
If he leads a drive to points, keep playing him.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:47 am
I have no gripes with Tarver.
Krapp on the other hand…
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Tarver/Allen and the defense seem to be improving and coming together as the season progresses.
Knapp is running the entire show by himself AFAIK, and it started out as a hot mess and has continued. I was encouraged by a few trick plays the past few weeks (where has THIS been all season) but other than that he has done NOTHING to deserve another year.
McK has to see the same thing too… and also be aware of the FAN outrage. He needs to sell seats yet next year. There is one way to give the Raider fans the finger… keep Knapp.
I don’t see it happening.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Merry Christmas blog bros. Thought I would be the only loser in here today LOL!!
Good valid posts by the way.
JFB hope you are well sir!!
December 25th, 2012 at 10:00 am
89% for Prior and 11% for Leinart in the poll?
Man, that Mistic has been busy.
Merry Christmas!
December 25th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Yeah well if Reg and DA read the blog I guess it would matter but it don’t
Interesting to see how it plays out.
Good chance Lionheart gets hurt like he has the last 2 seasons then they will have no choice.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Just Fire
There are always exceptions. They are just that, exceptions.
The points I make are what I have seen work the majority of the time over many years of playing and watching the game.
I make the suggestions I make because I think we need to take the high percentage play. I assure you that we will be much more capable of beating Denver by keeping Peyton off the field. You can try to get into a shooting match with Denver with our talent but I do not think that will work well. Run the ball and stop the run and we win the time of possession battle which gives us a fighting chance.
If we do not beat Denver we do not win our division let alone getting out of the AFC.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Why should we just get rid of Pryor based on these idiots not playing him this year?
Pryor is very young and learning the pro game so we should just chuck him if he doesn’t play this year?
That is backwards thinking IMO, this kids future is ahead of him and should be developed by this team. The kid is only 22 years old he will get better for the next 10 years and will help this org. get to where they want to go over that period of time whether these dumbells agree to see the obvious or not. I want Pryor here long after the double agent and his co-horts are long gone.
These dumbells have spurned more talent than anyone will ever know but I think Pryor will demonstrate over the offseason why he will eventually be the starter here soon enough. I think they play him one play and take him out because that wya he doesn’t get a feel for the game and start making plas.
I feel very strongly the the double agent took a tongue lashing after this last snafu Sunday and that is why there was a change in direction. If it were left up to him you would see the same thing this Sunday. One play and out, instead you will probably see Pryor get at least a full qrtr to play even if he doesn’t start.
I said this before the year started that Pryor needs this season and an offseason to get his feet under him and then he’ll take the job even if this staff has to be fired to do so. Pryor will win this job outright in next years preseason games. He will outplay Palmer as well but the coaches may stick with Palmer just on experience until he loses a couple of key games and then Pryor will take over.
Had they used Pryor like I said they should earlier this job would’ve been his this year. Palmer tailed off badly as the year wore on despite what his #’s say. He looked and average talent by week 12 and should’ve been pulled at times.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Man, Leinart is straight garbagewe knew that before he played he is a career backup with him as a starter you are going nowhere. He struggles to throw the ball outside the #’s he is a dink and dunk QB who will limit your offense to predictable pedestrian offense.
He may have a greater grasp on the offense he just cannot execute it to the level you want. It is the exact same dynamic in SF ASmith knew the offense was experienced and ran the offense within his limitations. But you were never going to get out of your offense all that it can be with Leinart or Smith at QB. Plug in Kaepernick and Pryor all of a sudden the possibilities are endless. Not only can you rn your offense but they can supplement it wit their great physical talent. Once Pryor is comfortable you’ll have a completely different and more explosive team.
I’ve been saying all year long there is much more talent on this team than people want to admit and now you seeing this defense play much better because they’re playing for themselves playing as a team much better since and including the Denver game. This offense was being held back by Palmers inability to make plays in the redzone.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Priest
My 351 post:
That would have been us (Colts) last year but we traded for Palmer.
I have tried to explain to many on this blog that yes we were 8-8 last year.
Problem is we had a team $22 million over the cap and gave up three very high picks to do it.
Had we kept the picks and played Bollar/TP we would not have been 8-8. Last year was a mirage to a very large extent.
To your point TP would have gained valuable experience last year and we would have three very valuable picks to work with but it would have been ugly. Unfortunatly he looks to be more than a year away. I would like to him start Sunday.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:27 am
JFB hope you are well sir!!
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Jim!!!
Happy B-Day, lol
December 25th, 2012 at 10:27 am
I hope raiders lose AND Pryor plays well.
“Win, Win.”
4-12
3rd pick
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Good chance T1T5 canned
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guarantee that K-LAPPSE goes home.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:27 am
TP is 23.5 years old Priest. Not that it makes much of a difference, but never heard of a 22 year old 2nd year player in the NFL.
I think that is almost impossible with the draft rules.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Pryor will win this job outright in next years preseason games.
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Quite the leap from 3rd string QB, trick play guy to starting QB isn’t it?
I mean I guess it COULD happen, but I would be shocked.
If it did happen, he would have earned it for sure, and having a starting QB making less then a million a year would do wonders for our cap situation.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Got to love Wikipedia.
In Rolando’s page, it states his car was shot at blah blah blah, we know the story.
Next sentence “He later fired multiple shots at the police.”
LOL
December 25th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Just start Lechler; settle the debate.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Pryor will win this job outright in next years preseason games.
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Quite the leap from 3rd string QB, trick play guy to starting QB isn’t it?
I mean I guess it COULD happen, but I would be shocked.
If it did happen, he would have earned it for sure, and having a starting QB making less then a million a year would do wonders for our cap situation.
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We all see very well he shouldn’t be 3rd string on this team. Palmer can’t put points up and leinart is hopeless……..3rd string onlt with this staff,,
December 25th, 2012 at 10:42 am
He was 3rd string on last years staff too, behind Kyle Boller, who was out of the league before Hue brought him in, and is out of the league now as well.
Half the league didn’t even show up to his pre-draft pro day, so I have a hard time thinking he is the QB prospect you say he is.
I hope you are right.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Hes a ‘trick play QB’ because these inept coaching clowns SIMPLY REFUSE to give him a chance even when:
a) the season is (long gone) and’
b) your ‘2nd stringer’ ILLUSTRATES (over and over) that he has little value and truly is the definitition of dumpster fire. Leiner has NO future here or anywhere else for that mattter. Yet T1T5 and co play him.
PLAY THE FRIGGIN KID ALREADY.
Anyone with a sane brain realizes that (sans wild conspiracy theories) there is NO (logic-driven) downside to playing Pryor game on Sunday.
If he sucks beyond belief, there you made your point and you can say “i told you so’ (ala Tui in Detroit).
If however he is a lot better than most of these blog Debbie Downers would have you believe, you may have some genuine hope going into 2013 (not to mention cap and draft options to play with).
That all said, it WON’T happen. For 95% of the plays we get to see Leinert.
T1T5 best be careful though. Putting in the Lefty Linguini (patent pending) could get D0A in REAL jeopardy in the form of a MASSIVE turnover filled blowout in SD.
Does he REALLY want to piss off Davis JUST as the season ends with Gruden (potentially) available?
Hey man, if playing Leinert indirectly gets us a D0A and Co canning (and even a shot at Gruden) I say START MATT And leave him in ALL GAME LONG!
December 25th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Leinart has the advantage of 5 years in this league and being in this same offense for his entire collegiate and pro careers yet he gets in the and missed wide open rec’s. He throws into coverage and is a statue. That is wha you would expect from Pryor not Leinart. He cannot drive the ball outside the hashes and struggles with the deep ball his entire career. All the things Pryor excels at along with his escapeablility. Leinart once he got warm should’ve led this team easily against a weak defense for a couple of scores and he couldn’t do it. Partly due to playcalling and his own inability to get it done.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:48 am
DA trust Knapp. DA states that TP is not ready to play back up.
DA has ZERO clue about the offense, and yet he trust Knapp?????
Knapp says 1 thing and does another.
DA is a liar.
Knapp is 2 face, he speak with a forked tongue, and is also a liar.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:48 am
The truth is Pryor can do something neither Plamer not Leinart can ever do and that is turn a busted play into a TD from anywhere on the field………….period
December 25th, 2012 at 10:50 am
DA has zero intent on ever playing TP.
Thats why he should be dealt, he will not get a fair shake with this dumb azz org.
What up Priest?
December 25th, 2012 at 10:50 am
This is from Pryor’s pro day. 17 teams attended. 15 teams didn’t. Colts went to twitter right away and said they wouldn’t take him. A few teams told ESPN he is a mid-round pick at TE.
Just not sure how all that morphs into starting QB of the next 10 years.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6880558/17-nfl-teams-evaluate-terrelle-pryor-says-appeal-suspensions
December 25th, 2012 at 10:52 am
TP playing would be another indicment against this dumb azz org…
Him doing well would show how stupid DA is.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:52 am
RaiderSam Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 2:56 am
but i think leinart and pryor will both get time. unfortunately, i think pryor will make leinart look like an nfl qb, practically saving his chance for a job somewhere next year. cuz i think after sunday, leinart will be hard pressed to find a job next season. but when pryor starts chucking dirtballs, leinart will seem reasonable.
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Why the assumption he would play badly? They’d have to see him play first. WTF?
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because i’m smart and i know football. they have seen him play and so have all of us. and if u don’t realize he will struggle, then u are delusional like so many here. it is very likely the kid will have a rough day.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:27 am
TP is 23.5 years old Priest. Not that it makes much of a difference, but never heard of a 22 year old 2nd year player in the NFL.
I think that is almost impossible with the draft rules.
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Impossible? No, but its not the norm.
McClain was a 20 yo rookie and he was a 22 yo 2nd year player.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:53 am
STFU JFB, we all know you have an agenda.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:53 am
I expect Pryor to play a lot more, and make some plays with his feet.
But not so much throwing down the field. His arm strength was his biggest knock coming out of college.
It HAS TO be better than Leinart’s, but probably not by much.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Sorry guys. The Palmer deal cost us two picks, not three. Last year’s second rounder went to the Pats for a 2011 draft day maneuver.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:54 am
I want to see TP in a game. If he does good, great. If not sit him, or cut him.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Leinart has the advantage of 5 years in this league and being in this same offense for his entire collegiate and pro careers yet he gets in the and missed wide open rec’s. He throws into coverage and is a statue. That is wha you would expect from Pryor not Leinart. He cannot drive the ball outside the hashes and struggles with the deep ball his entire career. All the things Pryor excels at along with his escapeablility. Leinart once he got warm should’ve led this team easily against a weak defense for a couple of scores and he couldn’t do it. Partly due to playcalling and his own inability to get it done.
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leinart blows. he probably is done in this league after sunday.
“all the things pryor excels at? do u know something virtually no one else knows? he doesn’t excel at anything in the nfl, and the time that he has played, he has looked like a good runner and very suspect passer. u guys just make sh!t up.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:55 am
STFU JFB, we all know you have an agenda.
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Merry X-Mas!!!!
What’s my agenda? I said all along, for 2 FKN YEARS NOW, that Pryor being our QB of the future is the best thing that could happen to this organization.
I think he should be playing more. I think Leinart is beyond terrible.
I just don’t think Terrell Pryor is polished enough to be an NFL QB, and was not a big-time prospect coming out of college (which he wasn’t). Posted a link with facts backing it up.
And you don’t have an agenda? Please
December 25th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:50 am
This is from Pryor’s pro day. 17 teams attended. 15 teams didn’t. Colts went to twitter right away and said they wouldn’t take him. A few teams told ESPN he is a mid-round pick at TE.
Just not sure how all that morphs into starting QB of the next 10 years.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6880558/17-nfl-teams-evaluate-terrelle-pryor-says-appeal-suspensions
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Who cares dude?
32 teams passed on Tom Brady for 5 rounds.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:48 am
The truth is Pryor can do something neither Plamer not Leinart can ever do and that is turn a busted play into a TD from anywhere on the field………….period
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but that’s about all he can do. he still has to throw the ball and that’s where he struggles. i hope he plays and i hope he plays great, but it’s a big longshot. but at least it will bury all this “pryor is awesome” bullsh!t.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:59 am
pryor has longer odds at being the savior at qb, than nix has at being our next big thing at guard.
he can run. his passing is not good.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Merry Christmas Thec. Where have you been bro?
December 25th, 2012 at 11:00 am
I would like to see TP start and play the whole game.
Leinart is NOT the future. TP may be.
We need to adjust our pass protect scheme to try to protect the kid. I do not want to see him get leveled like Palmer.
Regardless how young and strong he is his ribs will break just like Palmer’s.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:02 am
i hope pryor gets a ton of time for several reasons:
1) leinart blows.
2) we will see if he is “the answer”.
3) if he slooks like i think he will look, we can go about converting him to wr where he belongs, without half this board b!tching about how he was never given a fair chance.
cuz believe me, if he plays a half or more, nobody here will be talking about how great he is gonna be at qb.
but he could be megatron 2 at wr.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:03 am
And you don’t have an agenda? Please
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JFB, I have said it a number of times, give him a shot, if he cant hack it cut him. why keep him around???
You are pretty transparent with ya ramblings.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:03 am
based on the fact that DA said he wasn’t ready, i expect to see leinart start. however, they have said they are considering who to start, so at least they are thinking it over. but they probably know that if pryor starts, it could be an absolute debacle. he may look bad to an epic degree.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Who cares dude?
32 teams passed on Tom Brady for 5 rounds.
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Absolutely there are always exceptions, and hopefully TP is one of those.
But how many 6th round picks at QB succeed? That’s my point here, Pryor is not the prospect people make him out to be.
Could he be another exception, sure. What’s the odds of it happening? Probably less than people want to admit.
It’s just the odds. Historical trends OVER YEARS, the ones you pay attention to.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am
How many teams passed on R Wilson???
JFB, what was your eval on him????
December 25th, 2012 at 11:05 am
i am puzzled by the staff’s use of pryor though. it seems bizarre to use him in such a limited capacity at this late date. almost like they’re trying to satisfy complainers, but don’t wanna really do it.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:06 am
You are pretty transparent with ya ramblings.
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Absolutely, I always am, never bite my tongue.
But I am not a pom-pom guy like you. I would love if Pryor emerged, I hope he plays more this weekend. It would be the last great Al Davis legacy moment.
But gun to my head……I say he throws less than 12 career NFL TD’s. That’s my over/under.
And I am not even sure he will be on the team next year, especially so if we get a new HC.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:08 am
There’s no mystery about the way they’re using Pryor.
They’re not moving forward with him and anything negative on film (there would likely be plenty) lowers any value he may have in a trade.
I’m not so sure he has much value to start with.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Merry Christmas Raider Nation!!!!
As long as we are talking draft I will keep posting my Draft Wish List. And I will NOT budge from this no matter what the combine numbers tell us.
If we are to really turn this thing around:
Round 1: Impact player- Star, D Moore, Werner or Teo.
Round 3: Best QB on the board.
Round 4: Best QB on the board.
Round 6: BPA
Round 7: BPA
Round 7: BPA
Reggie can get a starter or two O-Linemen in FAs and the other positions as well. CB, LB, DT, TE.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:06 am
You are pretty transparent with ya ramblings.
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Absolutely, I always am, never bite my tongue.
But I am not a pom-pom guy like you. I would love if Pryor emerged, I hope he plays more this weekend. It would be the last great Al Davis legacy moment.
But gun to my head……I say he throws less than 12 career NFL TD’s. That’s my over/under.
And I am not even sure he will be on the team next year, especially so if we get a new HC.
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it’s unlikely he throws any. he just isn’t an nfl qb. but he should definitely be given a shot at wr. his size and speed combo are freakish.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:09 am
JFB, what was your eval on him????
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Kudo’s to Mistic, best rookie QB in my new opinion. (It’s not a big deal to change opinions on things; new evidence, new opinion. Just like stocks)
Has that baseball, 2nd baseman quickness to him. Both Luck and RGIII are faster, neither are more nimble.
And he never throws into double-coverage it seems, which masks his average arm strength.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Raider O Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Merry Christmas Thec. Where have you been bro?
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What up O? Hope all is well. Not posting much these day’s.
Really pissed at the org…
8-8 to rebuild????
December 25th, 2012 at 11:10 am
The reality is we should hope that TP can back up Carson next year.
Carson needs to stay and start to give TP more time to develop. Maybe TP in 2014. Cutting Carson would be a huge cap hit (something we can not afford) and a trade is premature given where TP seems to be.
I like TP’s athleticism but remember, RG has taken some hellacious hits this year and exposing the kid to too much is not good either.
Let’s play him the whole game but give him some max protect options so he does not get killed.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:11 am
As far as putting him in another position, I’m sure it’s been talked about, and I’m sure he was less than thrilled with the idea.
Who is going to try to force a reluctant project player into a new position?
December 25th, 2012 at 11:11 am
I’m done with Carson, send that loser back to the couch.
Not a winnner. Some guys are, some guys aren’t.
New evidence, new opinion.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:42 am
He was 3rd string on last years staff too, behind Kyle Boller, who was out of the league before Hue brought him in, and is out of the league now as well.
Half the league didn’t even show up to his pre-draft pro day, so I have a hard time thinking he is the QB prospect you say he is.
I hope you are right.
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Stop lying fool you hope like hell we’re all dead wrong and that is the truth.
Look at Leinart as a passer he absolute stinks yet he gets to draw an NFL payacheck and no one sees a single thing wrong with that. Yet they want to say Pryor can’t play QB. Look at Palmer who has thrown for more than 4,000 yards and we win 4 games in 15. Yet Pryor is supposed to WOW everybody with one start or 5 throws or else giev him the HOOK forever.
What is this crap, I’m supposed believe that is somehow right! Pryor deserves the exact same opportunity to fail and get better that every other QB in the history of this great game has had. EVEN if he plays poorly Sunday is NOT his career it’s ONE DAMN GAME.
Unlike most I do NOT expect a tremendous performance by Pryor if he starts I expect and uneven game with some struggles and some big plays. The thing is here this kid has an enormous upside that needs time and reps to develope the same as Russell Wilson had. Wilson didn’t set the world on fire his first start nor his 2nd or 3rd he got better with more reps and now you have a legitimate ROY candidate.
Pryor need to be brought along like Wilson or kaepernick and developed. Not thrown in and lets see what he does………oh! he played poorly so taht proves he cnanot play QB. No it doesn’t PROVE anything except he is basically a rookie getting his first start………period
December 25th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Who cares dude?
32 teams passed on Tom Brady for 5 rounds.
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Absolutely there are always exceptions, and hopefully TP is one of those.
But how many 6th round picks at QB succeed? That’s my point here, Pryor is not the prospect people make him out to be.
Could he be another exception, sure. What’s the odds of it happening? Probably less than people want to admit.
It’s just the odds. Historical trends OVER YEARS, the ones you pay attention to.
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QBs get judged more than other prospects. Look at R Wilson and D Brees, they were not 1st round prospects because of their size. TP was a good college QB, but his off the field issues hurt his draft status.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Stablersbeard Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:11 am
As far as putting him in another position, I’m sure it’s been talked about, and I’m sure he was less than thrilled with the idea.
Who is going to try to force a reluctant project player into a new position?
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when he sucks on sunday, he might be more amenable to it. cuz there isn’t another team in the nfl that would want him to be a qb. it’s gonna come down to “switch to wr, or find urself trying to play in the cfl, kid”.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:13 am
The biggest problem for TP is the business side of the game.
He was another GM’s and HC’s project, not these guys. Replace the HC again, and the new one will want even less to do with him (if he is as raw as reported) than the current staff.
TP had one big supporter on his side, and he ain’t around anymore.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Thec Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Raider O Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Merry Christmas Thec. Where have you been bro?
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What up O? Hope all is well. Not posting much these day’s.
Really pissed at the org…
8-8 to rebuild????
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All is well brother. I feel your pain
December 25th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Dr. Bob… You may be right.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:50 am
This is from Pryor’s pro day. 17 teams attended. 15 teams didn’t. Colts went to twitter right away and said they wouldn’t take him. A few teams told ESPN he is a mid-round pick at TE.
Just not sure how all that morphs into starting QB of the next 10 years.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6880558/17-nfl-teams-evaluate-terrelle-pryor-says-appeal-suspensions
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This article says he displayed a strong arm. Very, very interested to see this guy play for an extended period of time. He was the consensus #1 guy coming out of high school and was a superstar at arguably the top program in college football. Played in front of 100,00 fans every Saturday and was the MVP of BCS games, AT QB! Height/weight/speed guy. That’s the resume of a guy that could “morph into the QB of the next 10 years”.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Stop lying fool you hope like hell we’re all dead wrong and that is the truth.
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LOL at “lying” on here. That’s for you, I don’t do that.
I would much rather have TP start for us next year than Carson Palmer, but fact is, neither is probably competing for the division.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Half the league didn’t even show up to his pre-draft pro day…
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That just means they weren’t doing their due dilligence.
Here’s the thing – even if you feel that no one would have drafted TP in the 3rd if AD hadn’t – surely he was going to be drafted at some point. The teams that didn’t show for his pro-day had nothing to lose by scouting him at his pro-day to confirm whatever opinion they had as to when he should have been picked.
Personally, I think it was a good pick even if it turns out TP can’t throw well enough to be an NFL QB.
No matter how you slice it, TP’s measurables are off the charts good. There’s evidence that he could be a dynamic WR or TE, if he can’t make it at QB.
And what was risked ? A 3rd ? BFD.
I’ll gamble a 3rd on TP any day of the week.
What was a better pick: TP or Bergstrom ?
Wasted 3rd if TP completely bombs out.
Good pick if he eventually contributes in some capacity besides QB.
GREAT pick if he turns out to be the QB some think he can be.
A lot of people would like to get one more jab in on Al even though he’s gone.
It’s like a sport with them.
I say phuck them and am really rooting for TP to shut them up.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Look at Leinart as a passer he absolute stinks yet he gets to draw an NFL payacheck and no one sees a single thing wrong with that.
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I stated from day one, that Matt Leinart is complete garbage.
Stop lying fool!!! …..period
December 25th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:42 am
He was 3rd string on last years staff too, behind Kyle Boller, who was out of the league before Hue brought him in, and is out of the league now as well.
Half the league didn’t even show up to his pre-draft pro day, so I have a hard time thinking he is the QB prospect you say he is.
I hope you are right.
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Stop lying fool you hope like hell we’re all dead wrong and that is the truth.
Look at Leinart as a passer he absolute stinks yet he gets to draw an NFL payacheck and no one sees a single thing wrong with that. Yet they want to say Pryor can’t play QB. Look at Palmer who has thrown for more than 4,000 yards and we win 4 games in 15. Yet Pryor is supposed to WOW everybody with one start or 5 throws or else giev him the HOOK forever.
What is this crap, I’m supposed believe that is somehow right! Pryor deserves the exact same opportunity to fail and get better that every other QB in the history of this great game has had. EVEN if he plays poorly Sunday is NOT his career it’s ONE DAMN GAME.
Unlike most I do NOT expect a tremendous performance by Pryor if he starts I expect and uneven game with some struggles and some big plays. The thing is here this kid has an enormous upside that needs time and reps to develope the same as Russell Wilson had. Wilson didn’t set the world on fire his first start nor his 2nd or 3rd he got better with more reps and now you have a legitimate ROY candidate.
Pryor need to be brought along like Wilson or kaepernick and developed. Not thrown in and lets see what he does………oh! he played poorly so taht proves he cnanot play QB. No it doesn’t PROVE anything except he is basically a rookie getting his first start………period
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LOL. even when someone says they hope pryor does well, u claim they don’t in secret.
not every qb gets their fair chance. most don’t get drafted. many get cut in camp. most sit the bench. it’s not pop warner. ur not his dad. quit acting like “it’s not fair” if they don’t give a bunch of time. they’re a pro team. they can decide better than u can that a guy just isn’t gonna cut it.
so stupid.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Like I said les get to preseason next year and whoever is here let them fight it out then and let the best player win. No preconceaved notions or headstarts let them battle it out on level playing field.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:18 am
CP = Avg… Would never win a PO game with him.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:19 am
dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:05 am
i am puzzled by the staff’s use of pryor though. it seems bizarre to use him in such a limited capacity at this late date. almost like they’re trying to satisfy complainers, but don’t wanna really do it.
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If Pryor were given a start, he could get into the feel and flow of the game. Pretty hard to drop in for a play of two. Look how they mis-used Tebow in NY. You actually trust the opinions of our current coaches? Just cause DA says Pryor isn’t ready doesn’t hold water. Especially if he relies on the input of Knapp. Those two Couldn’t recognize a barn even if they smashed a truck right into one. Pryor could eat DAs and Knapps lunch. And they know it.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Da and Knapp are 4-12…. ’nuff said.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Pryor deserves the exact same opportunity to fail and get better that every other QB in the history of this great game has had.
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Not every QB gets the opportunity to prove they aren’t good.
Gio Carmazzi, for the 49ers. 3rd round pick, never threw an NFL pass. Mike Kafka, 4th round pick for the EAgles, never got a start, out of the league.
Ryan Mallett will probably never got a shot. Chase Daniels the same.
Happens all the time.
TP should and probably will, get more of a shot than those guys ever did, but if he doesn’t it isn’t major conspiracy theory that I am sure you will make it out to be.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Raider O Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Who cares dude?
32 teams passed on Tom Brady for 5 rounds.
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Absolutely there are always exceptions, and hopefully TP is one of those.
But how many 6th round picks at QB succeed? That’s my point here, Pryor is not the prospect people make him out to be.
Could he be another exception, sure. What’s the odds of it happening? Probably less than people want to admit.
It’s just the odds. Historical trends OVER YEARS, the ones you pay attention to.
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QBs get judged more than other prospects. Look at R Wilson and D Brees, they were not 1st round prospects because of their size. TP was a good college QB, but his off the field issues hurt his draft status.
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I don’t think TP can be compared to those guys. All of them went through the regular draft process. I’d be very interested to know how things would have worked out for him without the controversy.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Jowhoowa Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:19 am
dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:05 am
i am puzzled by the staff’s use of pryor though. it seems bizarre to use him in such a limited capacity at this late date. almost like they’re trying to satisfy complainers, but don’t wanna really do it.
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If Pryor were given a start, he could get into the feel and flow of the game. Pretty hard to drop in for a play of two. Look how they mis-used Tebow in NY. You actually trust the opinions of our current coaches? Just cause DA says Pryor isn’t ready doesn’t hold water. Especially if he relies on the input of Knapp. Those two Couldn’t recognize a barn even if they smashed a truck right into one. Pryor could eat DAs and Knapps lunch. And they know it.
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like them or not, they are well respected nfl coaches. plus, i trust myself. i’ve watched his reel. i watched the preseason. i’ve seen his few throws the last couple weeks. i don’t see him being an nfl qb. it’s pretty obvious really. big, fast, etc, but his passing is poor. that’s just a fact.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Pryor deserves the exact same opportunity to fail and get better that every other QB in the history of this great game has had.
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Not every QB gets the opportunity to prove they aren’t good.
Gio Carmazzi, for the 49ers. 3rd round pick, never threw an NFL pass. Mike Kafka, 4th round pick for the EAgles, never got a start, out of the league.
Ryan Mallett will probably never got a shot. Chase Daniels the same.
Happens all the time.
TP should and probably will, get more of a shot than those guys ever did, but if he doesn’t it isn’t major conspiracy theory that I am sure you will make it out to be.
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bingo
December 25th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Raider O Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Who cares dude?
32 teams passed on Tom Brady for 5 rounds.
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Absolutely there are always exceptions, and hopefully TP is one of those.
But how many 6th round picks at QB succeed? That’s my point here, Pryor is not the prospect people make him out to be.
Could he be another exception, sure. What’s the odds of it happening? Probably less than people want to admit.
It’s just the odds. Historical trends OVER YEARS, the ones you pay attention to.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
QBs get judged more than other prospects. Look at R Wilson and D Brees, they were not 1st round prospects because of their size. TP was a good college QB, but his off the field issues hurt his draft status.
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I don’t think TP can be compared to those guys. All of them went through the regular draft process. I’d be very interested to know how things would have worked out for him without the controversy.
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his agent said they were very happy with being a 3rd rounder. i suspect most saw him as a late rounder or UDFA.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:26 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Raider O Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Who cares dude?
32 teams passed on Tom Brady for 5 rounds.
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Absolutely there are always exceptions, and hopefully TP is one of those.
But how many 6th round picks at QB succeed? That’s my point here, Pryor is not the prospect people make him out to be.
Could he be another exception, sure. What’s the odds of it happening? Probably less than people want to admit.
It’s just the odds. Historical trends OVER YEARS, the ones you pay attention to.
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QBs get judged more than other prospects. Look at R Wilson and D Brees, they were not 1st round prospects because of their size. TP was a good college QB, but his off the field issues hurt his draft status.
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I don’t think TP can be compared to those guys. All of them went through the regular draft process. I’d be very interested to know how things would have worked out for him without the controversy.
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Excellent point.
He wasn’t going to declare that year but he was forced to because of the fiasco at THE OSU.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:26 am
For Christmas I want a new head coach and a new OC.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Rich gannon was drafted as a DB and became and NFL MVP at QB, Brady drafted in the 5th. Montana drafted in the 3rd.
I’ve said this a million times that where someone is drafted or even if they aren’t drafted has absolutely zero to do with what they will ultimately do in this league. My motto is “it doesn’t matter how you get them just get them”………..period
Johnny Unitas was a 23rd rnd pick if I’m not mistaken and how did he turn out. It’s what the player does when his career starts, not how it he got there.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:27 am
there really are three points of view on this board.
the rabid pryor lovers (missdick, priest)
the ones who really wanna see what he has
the ones that think he’s never gonna make it
but i’ve never heard anyone outside of the idiot fangs, who wanted to see him fail. just people who think he’s not an nfl qb.
but to hear missdick and priest, that means they are racists who desperately want to see pryor fail, no matter how much they say the opposite.
a joke.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Off-the field issues ARE PART OF THE DRAFT process, for every player.
You can’t say “if he went through the normal draft process” because the only reason he didn’t was his own fault.
BTW, TP is the first supp draft picked QB not used with a 1st round pick. Almost every other QB taken in the supp draft flopped outside of Bernie Kosar, and everyone of them was a 1st round pick.
Even Tim Ronsenbaugh and David Brown, suprisingly.
Doesn’t mean anything, but thought it was an unigue tidbit.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Merry Christmas everyone!
Next year’s schedule really sucks.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Rich gannon was drafted as a DB and became and NFL MVP at QB, Brady drafted in the 5th. Montana drafted in the 3rd.
I’ve said this a million times that where someone is drafted or even if they aren’t drafted has absolutely zero to do with what they will ultimately do in this league. My motto is “it doesn’t matter how you get them just get them”………..period
Johnny Unitas was a 23rd rnd pick if I’m not mistaken and how did he turn out. It’s what the player does when his career starts, not how it he got there.
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but all those guys could pass the ball.
griffing, newton, wilson, freeman. al u and missdick’s favs. they can all throw it well.
pryor can’t. u better just hope we pick geno. ur new ebony haired hero.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:30 am
I’ve said this a million times that where someone is drafted or even if they aren’t drafted has absolutely zero to do with what they will ultimately do in this league.
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Zero huh?
So the fact that more Pro Bowl QB’s are 1st round picks doesn’t mean anything?
Does it mean EVERYTHING where someone is drafted? Absolutely not.
Does it mean SOMETHING. Absolutely
December 25th, 2012 at 11:31 am
dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Raider O Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Who cares dude?
32 teams passed on Tom Brady for 5 rounds.
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Absolutely there are always exceptions, and hopefully TP is one of those.
But how many 6th round picks at QB succeed? That’s my point here, Pryor is not the prospect people make him out to be.
Could he be another exception, sure. What’s the odds of it happening? Probably less than people want to admit.
It’s just the odds. Historical trends OVER YEARS, the ones you pay attention to.
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QBs get judged more than other prospects. Look at R Wilson and D Brees, they were not 1st round prospects because of their size. TP was a good college QB, but his off the field issues hurt his draft status.
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I don’t think TP can be compared to those guys. All of them went through the regular draft process. I’d be very interested to know how things would have worked out for him without the controversy.
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his agent said they were very happy with being a 3rd rounder. i suspect most saw him as a late rounder or UDFA.
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That’s in the suppelental draft. Different animal. Playing his senior year coud have helped him. Having a chance to prepare for and perform at the combine probably would have helped him as well. If I had to rush it and jump into the supplemental draft, I’d be happy as hell to go in the 3rd round too. He scored big time!
December 25th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:30 am
I’ve said this a million times that where someone is drafted or even if they aren’t drafted has absolutely zero to do with what they will ultimately do in this league.
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Zero huh?
So the fact that more Pro Bowl QB’s are 1st round picks doesn’t mean anything?
Does it mean EVERYTHING where someone is drafted? Absolutely not.
Does it mean SOMETHING. Absolutely
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LOL. yeah, it kinda means a LOT actually. like, most non-1st rounders never see the field.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am
dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Pryor deserves the exact same opportunity to fail and get better that every other QB in the history of this great game has had.
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Not every QB gets the opportunity to prove they aren’t good.
Gio Carmazzi, for the 49ers. 3rd round pick, never threw an NFL pass. Mike Kafka, 4th round pick for the EAgles, never got a start, out of the league.
Ryan Mallett will probably never got a shot. Chase Daniels the same.
Happens all the time.
TP should and probably will, get more of a shot than those guys ever did, but if he doesn’t it isn’t major conspiracy theory that I am sure you will make it out to be.
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The cold reality of Terrel Pryor is this: we have watched him take 7 snaps in the NFL. Two resulted in false starts. Two were running plays. One was an incompletion. His last two throws were the most telling in his future NFL career. On The lst one, he lofted what was not the best thrown ball in the world and almost got Palmer killed early in the last game. But it was his second toss that tells you all you need to know. Go watch the shot from the endzone. Pryor lofts the completion to the back, and immediately raises his arms signalling a TD. Within a tenth of a second not one, not two, but three Carolina defenders smash the back at least three yards short of the goal line. What that tells ANYONE is this guy is not ready for the speed of the NFL. Which is a problem since he has been here for almost two years. By far the most promise we have seen out of Terrel Pryor was his catch and run early in the Carolina game. Right there is all you need to know.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am
look guys. i would LOVE it if pryor was big time. it would be huge for the raiders. and really like the kid. he works hard and wants to be great. i’m rooting for him. i hope he proves me wrong. but the odds are heavily against it. especially since i am rarely if ever wrong.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Sup draft QB’s: Dave Wilson, Bernie Kosar, Steve Walsh, Timmy Rosenbaugh, David Brown and Terrell Pryor.
Not an impressive list. And what the hell were all those teams doing giving those guys 1st round picks?
December 25th, 2012 at 11:35 am
That’s in the suppelental draft. Different animal.
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Then why has EVERY OTHER QB entering the sup draft been taken with a 1st rounder?
December 25th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Off-the field issues ARE PART OF THE DRAFT process, for every player.
You can’t say “if he went through the normal draft process” because the only reason he didn’t was his own fault.
BTW, TP is the first supp draft picked QB not used with a 1st round pick. Almost every other QB taken in the supp draft flopped outside of Bernie Kosar, and everyone of them was a 1st round pick.
Even Tim Ronsenbaugh and David Brown, suprisingly.
Doesn’t mean anything, but thought it was an unigue tidbit.
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The fact that his missing out on the normal draft process was his own fault is irrelevant. Bottom line is he didn’t go through the normal draft process. And if you were able to go to Wikipedia and figure out the failings of the other QBs drafted in the 1st round of the supplemental, don’t you think the scouts were able to do the same thing? I’m sure that didn’t help him out. Under the circumstances, going in the 3rd round is pretty damn good.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am
dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Pryor deserves the exact same opportunity to fail and get better that every other QB in the history of this great game has had.
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Not every QB gets the opportunity to prove they aren’t good.
Gio Carmazzi, for the 49ers. 3rd round pick, never threw an NFL pass. Mike Kafka, 4th round pick for the EAgles, never got a start, out of the league.
Ryan Mallett will probably never got a shot. Chase Daniels the same.
Happens all the time.
TP should and probably will, get more of a shot than those guys ever did, but if he doesn’t it isn’t major conspiracy theory that I am sure you will make it out to be.
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The cold reality of Terrel Pryor is this: we have watched him take 7 snaps in the NFL. Two resulted in false starts. Two were running plays. One was an incompletion. His last two throws were the most telling in his future NFL career. On The lst one, he lofted what was not the best thrown ball in the world and almost got Palmer killed early in the last game. But it was his second toss that tells you all you need to know. Go watch the shot from the endzone. Pryor lofts the completion to the back, and immediately raises his arms signalling a TD. Within a tenth of a second not one, not two, but three Carolina defenders smash the back at least three yards short of the goal line. What that tells ANYONE is this guy is not ready for the speed of the NFL. Which is a problem since he has been here for almost two years. By far the most promise we have seen out of Terrel Pryor was his catch and run early in the Carolina game. Right there is all you need to know.
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missdick loves the “wave of the future” which amounts to two guys, really. griffin and newton. wilson and freeman aren’t the runners the other two are. they are much more like warren moon or donovan mcnabb. or steve young for that matter.
but not every black qb who runs really well is gonna make it in the nfl. let’s face facts. the nfl is HARD. tons of prospects don’t pan out. especially at qb. pryor is a gifted athlete. much like newton in his incredible size/speed. but he’s just not in the same league as those two as a passer.
newton and griffin LOOK like qb’s when they’re out there.
pryor does NOT.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:37 am
I mean Tim Tebow won a playoff game throwing for 300 yards.
He may never start another NFL game.
Not a conspiracy.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:38 am
his agent said they were very happy with being a 3rd rounder. i suspect most saw him as a late rounder or UDFA.
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That’s in the suppelental draft. Different animal. Playing his senior year coud have helped him.
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Could have helped him? Of course he should have stayed. Problem was he was suspended his senior season for doing things he KNEW he wasn’t supposed to do. And he took down a very, very solid coach in Jim Tressel with him. And not only that, but because of sanctions directly resulting from him the UNDEFEATED Ohio State University is excluded from the National Championship picture. Because of Pryor. Yet some of you want to give him the keys to another organization. Boggles the mind really…..
December 25th, 2012 at 11:41 am
The best thing that could happen for TP is for DA and Knapp to stay actually.
They bring in a new coach, that new coach will bring in his own starting QB and QB projects.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:41 am
pryor playing sunday could do several good things for the raiders.
1) show that he’s not the future.
2) cause the raiders to trade down, and grab geno, a real qb, for the future.
3) give us our future #1 wr, cuz prtor could be that.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Interesting diversion talking about QB’s.
Merry Christmas to all.
Need to run.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:43 am
See you Charlie, look forward to revisting the O-line/D-line thing come draft time.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:44 am
In my opinion, pre season game action is the best way to evaluate performance in a “practice” scenario.
To my recollection, in the pre season, Terrelle Pryor, had arguably the BEST and most electrifying performance out of all the QB’s. he threw the ball on the run, down the field, and used his legs and athleticism to make plays.
That has to count for something! Dennis Tits Allen is telling us that he’s practically a bust at QB, but that’s what our eyes saw when he was actually given the opportunity to QB during the preseason.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:44 am
How u get there doesn’t mean a thing if the people evaluating the talent have a clue what they’re looking at. I’ve seen 7th rnd picks beat out 1st rnd picks. It may take longer or even another team but if you have what it takes it doesn’t take long before someone of responsibility notices and gives you a chance to prove it.
If Pryor can’t throw we will know very soon, if he can we will know very soon. If he should be the starter it will show in preaseason as it did this year but it didn’t count because the coaches had preconceaved opinions who they wanted where he would have had complete every pass and run a perfect offense to beat out Leinart because THEY didn’t want him to.
He outright outplayed Leinart but wasn’t given the opportunity because they caoches decision. It had nothing to do with who did what.
Now all I’m saying is lets get to preaseason and see how things turn out. I think Pryor is a player and have said as much but I never said he was NFL ready. I wanted him based on our ability to develope him and so far we have done a poor job helping him develope(coaches decision).Even the double agent himself admits he has improved and the OC says he has improved tremendously which I said he would do. Now it’s time to give him some reps and get him better as quickly as possible.
Those aren’t my opinions they are the OC’s opinions……………period
December 25th, 2012 at 11:44 am
1 td in 15 games in the first quarter , palmer low to mid 60s qb rating in the first quarter, worst red zone offense in the nfl, one of the worst 3rd down conversions rates in the nfl, yet pryor gets 7 snaps and actually has a few positive plays but hes already being written off. give him a chance to prove what he is. no one knows and before you throw out knapp and da see him in practice everyday, i dont trust either of them especially knapp. pryor is one of the most confident raiders..if i have to watch all of reggies practice squad players , let me see what pryor is. give him a game. we know leinart sucks..
December 25th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Speaking of QB’s changing positions,I am completely down for using a 6th or 7th rounder on Shoelace Robinson and seeing what he can do somewhere else, be it DB/WR/3rd down back.
At worst, he would instantly upgrade our return game, which is in shambles presently.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:45 am
*that’s NOT what our eyes saw
December 25th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:38 am
his agent said they were very happy with being a 3rd rounder. i suspect most saw him as a late rounder or UDFA.
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That’s in the suppelental draft. Different animal. Playing his senior year coud have helped him.
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Could have helped him? Of course he should have stayed. Problem was he was suspended his senior season for doing things he KNEW he wasn’t supposed to do. And he took down a very, very solid coach in Jim Tressel with him. And not only that, but because of sanctions directly resulting from him the UNDEFEATED Ohio State University is excluded from the National Championship picture. Because of Pryor. Yet some of you want to give him the keys to another organization. Boggles the mind really…..
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Dude, get off your soapbox. This sanctimonioous sht is nauseating. You really think TP is the only reason Tressel went down? That guy has been on the edge ever since his days at Youngstown State. And by the way, who is one of TP’s biggest supporters to this day?? Let me help you out: Jim Tressel! The guy was a kid and made some mistakes. Big deal! Are you fcking perfect or something??
December 25th, 2012 at 11:46 am
I’ve seen 7th rnd picks beat out 1st rnd picks.
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Maybe, but I have seen a lot more 1st round picks beat out 7th round picks than vice versa.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Nate Davis was a guy who dominated preseason games as well.
Never stayed on a 53 man roster.
What coaches see in practice means more TO THEM than what fans see in 4th quarters of preseason games.
Nate Davis dominated preseason games, then got waived from the UFL.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:46 am
I’ve seen 7th rnd picks beat out 1st rnd picks.
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Maybe, but I have seen a lot more 1st round picks beat out 7th round picks than vice versa.
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I understand what you are saying. I know odds, trends, and numbers. All I’m saying is I’m Not willing to give up on a winner because half the league didn’t show up for his pro day. The league makes mistakes too.
Look at the good Playets in the large that were undrafted.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Regarding Carson Palmer…
I think he had as good a year as he’s capable of having – and it’s not good enough.
Not by a long shot.
You see, even though Carson Palmer didn’t play like TIM (The Int Machine) Palmer too frequently this year – he still managed to give away two games in crunch time with unforced picks.
That’s the mark of a loser.
Winners don’t fold or give away games in the clutch.
I don’t GAF about his 4k yards or the BS 17th all-time ranking absurdity.
Palmer ? Better than the POS Jason Cantball, but that’s about it.
And one other thing – I don’t care what Cork and 99% of the posters here say – Palmer’s arm is not right.
Still has acceptable arm strength, but there is a noticeable lack of zip on his passes. He can still sling the high arcing deep ball, but when he has to make a high torque line drive power throw – he can’t do it.
One thing’s for sure, he ain’t worth 13Mill per – and the Raids need to make immediate contingency plans to move on.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Players in the league
December 25th, 2012 at 11:52 am
The guy was a kid and made some mistakes. Big deal!
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Right or wrong, teams are scared of that shat.
Even more dramatically for QB’s. Teams want RGIII scholars, not Ryan Mallet drug addicts.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am
ArmChair GM Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:44 am
In my opinion, pre season game action is the best way to evaluate performance in a “practice” scenario.
To my recollection, in the pre season, Terrelle Pryor, had arguably the BEST and most electrifying performance out of all the QB’s. he threw the ball on the run, down the field, and used his legs and athleticism to make plays.
That has to count for something! Dennis Tits Allen is telling us that he’s practically a bust at QB, but that’s what our eyes saw when he was actually given the opportunity to QB during the preseason.
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ArmChair, I still have that preseason game on DVR, to say the kid can’t throw is moronic. he outplayed Leinart hands down, now I can see why they would start Palmer and I ahve no issues with that at all. But to stick him behind Leinart was FOUL PLAY at best. It was to bury him deep in the depth chart so no issues arized that they were not prepared tpo deal with.
I think if they had played Pryor sporatically throughout the year by years end he may have taken that job whether would give it to him is another issue. But Palmer tailed off badly as the yea wore on. They soul’ve given him some run………..period
December 25th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Dude, get off your soapbox. This sanctimonioous sht is nauseating. You really think TP is the only reason Tressel went down? That guy has been on the edge ever since his days at Youngstown State. And by the way, who is one of TP’s biggest supporters to this day?? Let me help you out: Jim Tressel! The guy was a kid and made some mistakes. Big deal! Are you fcking perfect or something??
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Dumbest post of the year. Congrats, on Christmas day you keep on giving. As Q of the team, anyone would recognize he is considered a leader. Unless you are dumb as f***. He led the team right off a cliff. And Tressel who you criticize was National Coach of the Year at nearby Youngstown State which is how he got the OSU gig that Pryor and Co. took down. Big deal. Sure. If you were a blue chip recruit who came to OSU, played a perfect season with no reward because of Pryor and Co, I am sure it is all good. But as for morons that want to buy Pryor a present for that and coming here and doing nothing of note, you get a gift: trophy for moron of the year. 15 other franchises didn’t even show up to see him throw. What does that tell you?
December 25th, 2012 at 11:55 am
All I’m saying is I’m Not willing to give up on a winner because half the league didn’t show up for his pro day.
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Me neither.
He better get some reps, some real QB reps not this circus act offense stuff, on Sunday.
I don’t know if he should start and play all game, no matter how he plays.
We also have to evaluate the rest of the roster, and that is hard to do with the QB sruggling mightily.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am
dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am
dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Pryor deserves the exact same opportunity to fail and get better that every other QB in the history of this great game has had.
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Not every QB gets the opportunity to prove they aren’t good.
Gio Carmazzi, for the 49ers. 3rd round pick, never threw an NFL pass. Mike Kafka, 4th round pick for the EAgles, never got a start, out of the league.
Ryan Mallett will probably never got a shot. Chase Daniels the same.
Happens all the time.
TP should and probably will, get more of a shot than those guys ever did, but if he doesn’t it isn’t major conspiracy theory that I am sure you will make it out to be.
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The cold reality of Terrel Pryor is this: we have watched him take 7 snaps in the NFL. Two resulted in false starts. Two were running plays. One was an incompletion. His last two throws were the most telling in his future NFL career. On The lst one, he lofted what was not the best thrown ball in the world and almost got Palmer killed early in the last game. But it was his second toss that tells you all you need to know. Go watch the shot from the endzone. Pryor lofts the completion to the back, and immediately raises his arms signalling a TD. Within a tenth of a second not one, not two, but three Carolina defenders smash the back at least three yards short of the goal line. What that tells ANYONE is this guy is not ready for the speed of the NFL. Which is a problem since he has been here for almost two years. By far the most promise we have seen out of Terrel Pryor was his catch and run early in the Carolina game. Right there is all you need to know.
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missdick loves the “wave of the future” which amounts to two guys, really. griffin and newton. wilson and freeman aren’t the runners the other two are. they are much more like warren moon or donovan mcnabb. or steve young for that matter.
but not every black qb who runs really well is gonna make it in the nfl. let’s face facts. the nfl is HARD. tons of prospects don’t pan out. especially at qb. pryor is a gifted athlete. much like newton in his incredible size/speed. but he’s just not in the same league as those two as a passer.
newton and griffin LOOK like qb’s when they’re out there.
pryor does NOT.
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Don’t know that you can say that about Pryor yet. Haven’t seen him play at this level for an extended period of time. But one guy who does fit that description is Jake Locker. That guy sucks! And the thing that separates Locker from every other guy you mentioned is that he sucked in college too. Mike Munchak deserves the firing he’s about to get for hitching his wagon to that dude. There’s a reason Pete Carrol recruited Locker to play at USC, AS A SAFETY!
December 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Preach it RM99!!!
13 millie for Palmer?? LMAO
He ain’t worth half that.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am
I’m still upbeat about the Raiders even after this dismal season. McKenzie, Allen and Tarver are going to be fine. Let the search begin for a new OC.
In other news, I bought myself a telescope for Christmas which guarantees that there will be cloud cover for the next month, at least.
Merry Christmas.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Nate Davis has a severe learning disability which affected his ability to execute a playbook or else he would be playing somewhere, bad example.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Locker’s athleticism and arm strength will lure at least one more team into thinking they can make it work.
But decision-making and accuracy are more important, he is scraping the barrel in those two departments.
Bummer for him and me, I am always rooting for the former baseball guys.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am
How many teams passed on a marginal QB out of Michigan who was reluctantly picked up in the 6th round to be a backup to Drew Bledsoe? A guy by the name of Tom Brady.
Maybe you’ve heard of him.
Pryor was a 3rd rounder, Brady a 6th.
Pryor>Brady.
Check mate.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Don’t know that you can say that about Pryor yet. Haven’t seen him play at this level for an extended period of time. But one guy who does fit that description is Jake Locker. That guy sucks! And the thing that separates Locker from every other guy you mentioned is that he sucked in college too. Mike Munchak deserves the firing he’s about to get for hitching his wagon to that dude. There’s a reason Pete Carrol recruited Locker to play at USC, AS A SAFETY!
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Which I said B4 he was drafted he would never play well at QB. He is a NFL safety playing QB………….period
yet he was drafted in the 1st rnd by some idiots……add Gabbert to the never should’ve beens as well.
But nooooo, Pryor can’t throw!!!………LOL
December 25th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
TP should start the last game of the season. Not a lot of options at this point. We waged too long to give him reps.
This staff is garbage.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
I say you start Leinart, stabilize the game for the first 10 minutes, then play Pryor for at least the rest of the half, and re-evaluate at halftime.
Decent chance Leinart gets hurt anyways in his 2 drives.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
To get Pryor in the 3rd rnd was IMO a steal if after the 3rd 10 teams would’ve tried to get him. We would not have gotten this kid if we waited any longer and I said as much B4 the draft. If you look at the day they held his try out camps were starting up week later. It was very late to hold a supp draft. It took several staffs away from an opportunity to take him. Also the baggage issues many lost interest with the suspension loooming. Our coaches did NOT go out there we just had a few scouts at my urging them to do so. They liked what they saw and I said of they wait after the 3rd they wont get him so they took him.
Yes he is a project but no more than Russell Wilson or Kaepernick. If Pryor had played his senior year whic I wish he had he would’ve gone in the 1st rnd no question.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Waited*
December 25th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Dude, get off your soapbox. This sanctimonioous sht is nauseating. You really think TP is the only reason Tressel went down? That guy has been on the edge ever since his days at Youngstown State. And by the way, who is one of TP’s biggest supporters to this day?? Let me help you out: Jim Tressel! The guy was a kid and made some mistakes. Big deal! Are you fcking perfect or something??
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Dumbest post of the year. Congrats, on Christmas day you keep on giving. As Q of the team, anyone would recognize he is considered a leader. Unless you are dumb as f***. He led the team right off a cliff. And Tressel who you criticize was National Coach of the Year at nearby Youngstown State which is how he got the OSU gig that Pryor and Co. took down. Big deal. Sure. If you were a blue chip recruit who came to OSU, played a perfect season with no reward because of Pryor and Co, I am sure it is all good. But as for morons that want to buy Pryor a present for that and coming here and doing nothing of note, you get a gift: trophy for moron of the year. 15 other franchises didn’t even show up to see him throw. What does that tell you?
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As usual SB, you’re speaking out of school. Let’s be clear: JIM TRESSEL got JIM TRESSEl FIRED!! Pryor’s biggest crime was being an entitled star athlete. Wake up!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html
December 25th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
uh….is it still Christmas in the USA?
Pryor qb or eventual wide receiver…..or whatever. Hopefully we’ll get a good idea by the end of next Sunday.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Ryan Mallett will probably never got a shot.
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Maybe. He’s certainly not being handed the job while Brady is playing well.
I’ll tell you what though…if that cornhole is done with the drugs…he could be tremendous.
He’s a complete POS when it comes to throwing on the move, but let that boy get set and he’s got one of the all time cannons and a beautiful pure passer delivery.
Accurate as hell and can put it in the smallest window.
That’s a guy to fear if he ever gets his sh1t together and a chance to play.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Don’t know that you can say that about Pryor yet. Haven’t seen him play at this level for an extended period of time. But one guy who does fit that description is Jake Locker. That guy sucks! And the thing that separates Locker from every other guy you mentioned is that he sucked in college too. Mike Munchak deserves the firing he’s about to get for hitching his wagon to that dude. There’s a reason Pete Carrol recruited Locker to play at USC, AS A SAFETY!
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Which I said B4 he was drafted he would never play well at QB. He is a NFL safety playing QB………….period
yet he was drafted in the 1st rnd by some idiots……add Gabbert to the never should’ve beens as well.
But nooooo, Pryor can’t throw!!!………LOL
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I agree 100% about Locker Priest, but Gabbert is a little different. From a skill-set standpoint, he has it all. He was a 5-star recruit coming out of high school as the top-rated pro-style QB. Newton was the top dual-threat guy the sane year. I remember the hype when Calahan had him coming to Nebraska. He put up decent, if not overwhelming numbers at Mizzou. But he had that signiature win over OU that really put him on the map. Was very annoyed that the he thought he could get away with not throwing at the combine when Newton, Locker, Mallett, Ponder and Dalton all did. May bave exposed him as not being the competitor he should be. Cost him on draft day. Kind of surprised that he’s crapped out this bad though.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
From a tools standpoint Gabbert is way ahead of Locker no wuestion My contention about Gabbert is WHERE he was drafted not IF he should’ve been he and Locker were not 1st rnd picks IMO. However Gabbert has a chance to succeed where as Locker IMHO has almost no chance.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Just like the top draft analysts were wrong about Jamarcus and Brady, they may be wrong about Pryor.
You guys are gonna trust a coaching staff that didn’t even use a mismatch nightmare like Marcel Reece much this yr.?
Pryor might not fit the demented coaching staff’s schemes but if you let him go out there and improvise he’ll tear up the league.
You rush him and he’ll run for touchdowns, you lay off and let him throw he’ll dissect you like an accomplished surgeon with pinpoint accuracy.
Pryor has a deep ball that makes Lamonica envious.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Locker had one of the worst senior campaigns of any 1st rnd pick in recent history. How they see fit to pick that kid there is one of the great mysteries of this century.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Debo, in the article you site here is the point:
Then, on March 8, Tressel stood before TV cameras and confirmed a Yahoo report that he had been aware of the memorabilia-for-ink scandal and had not informed Ohio State officials when asked about it in December. Tressel said he had first learned that players were breaking NCAA rules almost a year earlier, in April 2010, when a Columbus lawyer e-mailed him. Rather than alert his superiors, as NCAA regulations require, Tressel said he “couldn’t think” whom to tell. It was later reported that he had told one person, a hometown adviser of Pryor’s. By ignoring his own “little sensor” and failing to be forthcoming, Tressel protected key players from being ruled ineligible for much of the 2010 season, in which the Buckeyes were a popular pick to reach the BCS championship game. (They ended up going 12-1.)
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html#ixzz2G67vOsoM
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Tressel built a solid program, altho he had some issues, and protected key players, mainly Pryor. Over and over again. My point is you want to hand the keys of another organization to a guy who repeatedly, knowingly, did things to not only take down an organization but take down the guy who repeatedly was trying to protect him. And I don’t mean give a guy who has worked hard and been very successful in his opportunities. I mean just hand the franchise off to that guy. You must be out of your mind.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Gabbert is a puss.
Marginal arm strength.
Can’t handle pressure at all.
Panics. No pocket presence.
BUST.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Raider Steve Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Just like the top draft analysts were wrong about Jamarcus and Brady, they may be wrong about Pryor.
You guys are gonna trust a coaching staff that didn’t even use a mismatch nightmare like Marcel Reece much this yr.?
Pryor might not fit the demented coaching staff’s schemes but if you let him go out there and improvise he’ll tear up the league.
You rush him and he’ll run for touchdowns, you lay off and let him throw he’ll dissect you like an accomplished surgeon with pinpoint accuracy.
Pryor has a deep ball that makes Lamonica envious.
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Top analysts had it right with both JaMarcus and Brady. What no analyst can know is what situation a guy will find himself in once he’s drafted. One ended up with a legendary coach and the top organization in all of sports, and one ended up, well here. If Brady had been drafted by Cleveland or Detroit, he doesn’t become Tom Brady. But from a couting standpoint, the scouts were spot on!
December 25th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Tressel built a solid program, altho he had some issues, and protected key players, mainly Pryor. Over and over again. My point is you want to hand the keys of another organization to a guy who repeatedly, knowingly, did things to not only take down an organization but take down the guy who repeatedly was trying to protect him. And I don’t mean give a guy who has worked hard and been very successful in his opportunities. I mean just hand the franchise off to that guy. You must be out of your mind.
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Your ignorance is shocking. Do you have any idea how many kids got what Pryor got and haven’t been treated with one iota of disdain that he has. Tressel did what he always has done..cheat. If you look at his record whereever he coached there have been disgressions. To pin that crap on a 21 yearold kid is damn stupid. At least he was punished and now he wants to move on with his life and you act as tho he killed someone.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
sorry indiscretion…….
December 25th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Tressel built a solid program, altho he had some issues, and protected key players, mainly Pryor. Over and over again. My point is you want to hand the keys of another organization to a guy who repeatedly, knowingly, did things to not only take down an organization but take down the guy who repeatedly was trying to protect him. And I don’t mean give a guy who has worked hard and been very successful in his opportunities. I mean just hand the franchise off to that guy. You must be out of your mind.
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Your ignorance is shocking. Do you have any idea how many kids got what Pryor got and haven’t been treated with one iota of disdain that he has. Tressel did what he always has done..cheat. If you look at his record whereever he coached there have been disgressions. To pin that crap on a 21 yearold kid is damn stupid. At least he was punished and now he wants to move on with his life and you act as tho he killed someone.
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Couldn’t have said it better myself Priest.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Was very annoyed that the he thought he could get away with not throwing at the combine when Newton, Locker, Mallett, Ponder and Dalton all did. May bave exposed him as not being the competitor he should be.
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Good point, you got to read the tea leaves sometimes.
Like when a potential #1 overall pick at QB shows up to his pro-day heavier then he was at seasons end.
Not the hard-worker he should be.
December 25th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
This great league is littered with players who have taken all kinds of gifts and money. From starting QB’s to ST’s players it’s like the drug trade, you cna only cacth so much of it but it doesn’t mean that is all that is going on. Cheating in the NCAA is an artform not a practice.
December 25th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
Top analysts had it right with both JaMarcus and Brady. What no analyst can know is what situation a guy will find himself in once he’s drafted. One ended up with a legendary coach and the top organization in all of sports, and one ended up, well here. If Brady had been drafted by Cleveland or Detroit, he doesn’t become Tom Brady. But from a couting standpoint, the scouts were spot on!
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You’re not suggesting Jamarcus may have been successful in another organization, are you? I’ve never heard that argument made before.
December 25th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Sunday is win win as I see it.
If stubborn D0A plays Leinart all/most of the game, there is ZZZZZZZEEEEERRRRRR0chance he plays well. In fact it will be a turnover fest AND/OR he gets hurt.
If e does get hurt we get to see Pryor who by default will be >>>>> Leinart….
If Leinart starts and magically stays healthy we lose and lose big. So an embarrassing 4-12 should yield turnover (and a better draft spot rel to 5-11). Plus MD will be pissed at his HC’s blind stubborness.
If by some miracle we get to see Pryor, we ..well, get to finally see Pryor! I am happy no matter what he does. If he plays well I am very happy for the future possibilities and yeah, I’ll take 5-11 in that scenario.
If hes awful as the Debbie Downers keep demanding he be, then fine I’ll accept that. At least then we get to -SEE- him fail (vs amateurs TELLING ME he will fail).
I for one am rooting for him.
Win, Win on Sunday.
Merry Christmas to everyone…
I’m out for a while…
December 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Daryle Lamonica isn’t envious of anyone’s arm; not Pryor, Elway, Rogers, Vick, Griffin III, maybe how fast they can run.
December 25th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
Top analysts had it right with both JaMarcus and Brady. What no analyst can know is what situation a guy will find himself in once he’s drafted. One ended up with a legendary coach and the top organization in all of sports, and one ended up, well here. If Brady had been drafted by Cleveland or Detroit, he doesn’t become Tom Brady. But from a couting standpoint, the scouts were spot on!
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You’re not suggesting Jamarcus may have been successful in another organization, are you? I’ve never heard that argument made before.
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As much as I hate admit it that may have been the case. As irresponsible as Russell was had he been drafted by a more stable org. he may have reacted differently. You have no proof but to say if he was allowed to mature a few years he may have put in a different effort. It hurts to say because I wanted and we NEEDED him so badly, for it not to work cost us a lot more than money.
December 25th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
I’m tired of all this Pryor talk obviously he is Tebow 2.0 he just isn’t good enough to play QB on sundays.
Since the rebuilding will continue in 13 trading Palmer, Mcfadden DHB Ford (they are the only ones who could have some value) should be a priority and sign Vick to run the offense next year, don’t really have nothing to loose.
December 25th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
In retrospect I would much prefer to give Russell the $9 mill and bench him. Let JC take over for a few years until he is ready. To just cut him did us no favors we ended up using 4 more draft picks on QB’s instead of biulding the rest of the team so when he was ready we were ready.
This is the very reason Pryor is such a high Pryor-ity to me because if he developes like ai think he will we almost get back what we lost in Russell. It gives us a chance to focus on the rest of the team from this point forward. Even gives us the chance to get something for Palmer which should fetch a high pick. Or keep him if he wishes at some reduced rate, it only makes us stronger.
To ignore Pryor as a viable option and not develope him is extremely counterproductive to this org. as well as Pryor. The advantages he gives us are unlimited if he delivers.
December 25th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Daryle Lamonica isn’t envious of anyone’s arm; not Pryor, Elway, Rogers, Vick, Griffin III, maybe how fast they can run.
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I was exaggerating for fun.
December 25th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
I wouldn’t mind signing Vick and keeping Pryor for that matter, if that helps us win right away. All I know is I have given up on Palmer taking us anywhere I saw enough this year. He’s not himself and i have lost hope he will ever be himself again. I’m ready to move on. Vick sounds great to me until Pryor is ready and if Vick falters by then Pryor will be ready. Win win IMO!
December 25th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Merry Xmas to all!
December 25th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
I’d rather draft Aaron Murray in the 3rd and play him right away than to let Pryor start.
December 25th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
1nation
December 25th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Well well well, it appears I’m not the idiot who knows nothing after all.
Let’s review
Palmer is fraud and would flop, he would lead us to losing … Check
Griffin Wilson would be studs…. Check
Newton would continue to destroy nfl defenses…. Check
(despite Seymour. Ish saying defenses would catch up)
Pryor was buried on the bench based on an agenda from hc… Check
Next time I say something here write it down and bet the house on it
Pryor would be forcing the org to play him at the end of the season … Check
December 25th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Priest,
It seems to me Vick wasn’t able to win with a “Dream Team” how will he do with our club?
December 25th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Well well well, it appears I’m not the idiot who knows nothing after all.
Let’s review
Palmer is fraud and would flop, he would lead us to losing … Check
Griffin Wilson would be studs…. Check
Newton would continue to destroy nfl defenses…. Check
(despite Seymour. Ish saying defenses would catch up)
Pryor was buried on the bench based on an agenda from hc… Check
Next time I say something here write it down and bet the house on it
Pryor would be forcing the org to play him at the end of the season … Check
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If u have been right about everything then make a positive prediction about next season that will come true.
We could use some good news. We don’t get alot of it from the powers that be.
December 25th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Honestly I’m not sure how Vick wil do with us. I do know I would prefer him as a starter over Palmer and Pryor as early as starter next year. I’m saying that on Dec 25th 2012 how I feel after a preseason of seeing Pryor I’m not sure all I know is I’m ready to move forward not back anymore. We were 8-8 last year and we took several steps back.
I saw a defense the last 3 weeks that can win games if they had the support of an offense. We need redzone scoring and shortyardage offense. That will help this D look even better. We need to stop cutting talented players just because they haven’t developed yet. TJ, Ausberry, Checkwa need to be developed along with Pryor. If they do that they will win………..period
Altho Knapp has got to go, we cannot afford to expend another year watching that mockery. Tarver IMO has shown some real ability to rally his troops I wouldn’t mind keeping him no matter what happens.
December 25th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
No question Mistic1 has been right all along especially about Palmer. What I saw from Palmer I would have never believed unless I witnessed it. His penchant for mistakes at the worst time is uncanny. He just seems to make them when he simply cannot afford to.
December 25th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
I seem to disagree with many people on the draft. I don’t want any of the QBs from this years class. I don’t want Te’o at 3. I don’t want to trade away from impact players early.
December 25th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Palmer>Vick
I am not a Palmer guy. I never supported the trade because Palmer simply isn’t what he used to be and he spent the past several years showing it. That said, Vick has been terrible the last couple years. He is an injury prone QB with a penchant for throwing bad picks and fumbling. Then again, Vick would just get hurt and then Pryor could come in and he could show us if he is worth having around for years to come so…
Vick>Palmer
December 25th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Vick, Tebow, Pryor all three in th backfield; that would take some kahoneas, a creative OC would have a righteous season.
December 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
I wont be satisfied until Tebow is forced into retirement and moves to a third world country to trade food and medicine for a belief in Jesus as he falls deeper into a coke haze.
December 25th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
What’s funny is that so many people that trashed me & priest and debo are. O where to be found lately.
They must be afraid of showing themselves becuase of their ridiculous predictions.
I’m going on record right now if Pryor actually gets a fair shot fo play he will make plays that will leave the starving fan base wanting more. He will expose the idiot Allen’s agenda and fool hearty depth chart as a fruad.
He will compete and take the qb battle to the ultimate in pre season next year.
He is hungry, hard working and mature. He has athletic ability rivaled by very few maybe 2-3 guys can match at the qb spot.
For all the knocks on his passing he had the best PASSING NUMBERS of all our qbs in preseason. Yet the haters act as if 19/32 2 tds didn’t happen.
The game on Sunday Pryor was the only exciting player to watch.
I need to talk about knapp. Why would you keep Palmer on the field when Pryor enters? That is idiotic!!! This means when Palmer is out wide it is one less played the defense has to account for basically setting up 10 offensive players against 11 defenders, as Palmer was. It a threat out wide.
This in affect cancels the advantage that Pryor brings. Becuase Pryor can run he must be accounted for by the defense giving you 11 vs 11. This is why the zone read is killing it. You must play in your base defense & you must cheat up the secondary or assign a spy to stop the running threat, this leaves the defense vulnerable to deep passing.
If I know this as simply a fan WHY DOEST KNAPP AND ALLEN KNOW THIS?!?!?!?
Fire these losers and get us a coach that can take advantage of the unique offensive edge that Pryor brings to the table
December 25th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Vick is better than Palmer and he played. Whine the worst oline in the. Nfl the last three seasons.
December 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Tressel built a solid program, altho he had some issues, and protected key players, mainly Pryor. Over and over again. My point is you want to hand the keys of another organization to a guy who repeatedly, knowingly, did things to not only take down an organization but take down the guy who repeatedly was trying to protect him. And I don’t mean give a guy who has worked hard and been very successful in his opportunities. I mean just hand the franchise off to that guy. You must be out of your mind.
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Your ignorance is shocking. Do you have any idea how many kids got what Pryor got and haven’t been treated with one iota of disdain that he has. Tressel did what he always has done..cheat. If you look at his record whereever he coached there have been disgressions. To pin that crap on a 21 yearold kid is damn stupid. At least he was punished and now he wants to move on with his life and you act as tho he killed someone.
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I see you both have an adversity to facts. That’s OK. It’s Christmas. Obviously, if you have never been around NCAA football programs there is a lot of sh** that goes down. Especially programs like “the” Ohio State University. Tressell won 4 Div 1AA championships, and was in 3 National Championship games with OSU. Those are the facts. What brought the program down was a scandal that Pryor was the lead guy. Name the other players involved. No one knows the other players involved. And the problem with Pryor is this was going on with him for two years. And Tressel contacted people close to Pryor and nothing changed. And my question remains, is this the kind of person you want to hand the keys to your franchise? There are plenty of 21 years old kids (RGIII, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson) who you would GLADLY do that with. In fact you would crawl to do that. You two want to hand it to someone who has done NOTHING to deserve that at this level, and tarnished a solid program. You have to be a dolt to do that, sorry.
December 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
I think it is funny that becuase geno smith is head and shoulders the best qb in the draft people say they don’t want a qb or the class is qb weak.
Hmmmmm some things never change
December 25th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Yeah, I was so disappointed with Pryor’s “package” being wildcat plays. The wildcat hasn’t been good since the year Ronnie Brown was running it in Miami and catching teams off guard. One of the reasons it was so successful too, was the fact that they WEREN’T substituting someone in. That was the entire reason for having the nonathletic QB out wide. The defense stays the same and suddenly has to account for an athlete at QB. If you are subbing Pryor in, you may as well take Palmer/Leinart out of the game so the kid has someone else who can make a block or run a route.
December 25th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Was Pryor the only player that found trouble under tresslle at Khios state?
No
Was tresslle busted for cheating at Youngstown state?
Yes
Tresslle is a liar and a cheater with or with out Pryor.
Pryor was just one of many youth running amok in tresslle program it’s not the other way around
December 25th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
Vick is better than Palmer and he played. Whine the worst oline in the. Nfl the last three seasons.
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They both suck. Merry Xmas.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
I think it is funny that becuase geno smith is head and shoulders the best qb in the draft people say they don’t want a qb or the class is qb weak.
Hmmmmm some things never change
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I don’t even think Geno is that great.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
I’m am 100% fine with KC drafting Geno.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Lol at jfb
He says ” new opinion” on Wilson and Palmer
Cool
Now come in here and say YOU WERE WRONG & I WAS RIGHT!!
Palmer and Wilson OWN YOU!!!
December 25th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
I think it is funny that becuase geno smith is head and shoulders the best qb in the draft people say they don’t want a qb or the class is qb weak.
Hmmmmm some things never change
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And I don’t know who this is directed at Mistic. But I am also saying this QB class is weak. This is coming from a guy who wanted to trade every fkn pick we had last year to have just one pick – and use it to take RG3.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
I have watched geno for the last 3 years & trust me he is excellent.
If smith played for a team with a defense he would be a national champion
Smith is very very good the rest of the class after en manual is pedestrian . Geno should not be penalized for the failings of Barkley Wilson & bray all guys that were rated ahead of him going into the season
December 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Damn 40 TD and 6 ints?
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/488025/geno-smith
December 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
I have watched geno for the last 3 years & trust me he is excellent.
If smith played for a team with a defense he would be a national champion
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Really? Geno scored 14 points against that defensive powerhouse Texas Tech. That’s sarcasm, in case you didn’t pick up on that. Tech is awful on defense, but easily confused and flustered Geno.
He’s a high draft pick disaster in the making. Sorry man, but you’re wrong on this one.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
“Of the 17 NFL teams eliminated from the playoffs only the Raiders are stashing a young quarterback, who is still an unknown quantity, on the bench. Every other rookie or young prospect has been given a chance on bad teams with quarterback question marks. Even Greg McElroy started an NFL game this season.”
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000116843/article/terrelle-pryor-a-work-in-progress-for-oakland-raiders
December 25th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
In retrospect I would much prefer to give Russell the $9 mill and bench him. Let JC take over for a few years until he is ready.
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That would be the JC that NO team wants to hire as a starter and the Russell who no team even wants to attend their games for fear catching what he had?!
You are obviously a troll imposter and not Priest.
I’ve read Priest from time to time before Al died and he often had something sensible or interesting to say whereas that post is complete nonsense.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
The game on Sunday Pryor was the only exciting player to watch.
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How is that even remotely possible Mistic since he barely played.
Maybe YOU got your jollies off watching him but the rest of the world just yawned.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Damn 40 TD and 6 ints?
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/488025/geno-smith
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Colt Brennan had 58 TDs and 12 INTs in 2006, then Graham Harrell had 45 TDs and 9 INTs in 2008. That clearly doesn’t mean they were destined for NFL greatness.
I know “system QB” is a cliche, but seriously, the air raid spread offense produces prolific passing numbers. That doesn’t mean a guy will be the next Manning.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Damn 40 TD and 6 ints?
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/488025/geno-smith
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Colt Brennan had 58 TDs and 12 INTs in 2006, then Graham Harrell had 45 TDs and 9 INTs in 2008. That clearly doesn’t mean they were destined for NFL greatness.
I know “system QB” is a cliche, but seriously, the air raid spread offense produces prolific passing numbers. That doesn’t mean a guy will be the next Manning.
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Ok, I don’t watch college football. Just googled him to see who he was, lol. Saw 40 TD and 6 ints…………
December 25th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Colt Brennan had 58 TDs and 12 INTs in 2006, then Graham Harrell had 45 TDs and 9 INTs in 2008. That clearly doesn’t mean they were destined for NFL greatness.
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There are three kinds of lies:
(a)lies,
(b) damn lies, and
(c) statistics
–Prime Minister Benajmin Disraeli.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Any qb can have an off day so geno is still a very very good prospect. Look at the rest of his career a d you will find the tech game was the anomaly
December 25th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Vick, Tebow, Pryor all three in th backfield; that would take some kahoneas, a creative OC would have a righteous season.
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A righteous season?
They’re more likely to have a heart attack.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
We have to play Pryor. My goodness why would this staff play Leinart?
The kid needs reps.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
At 4-11 they can’t afford to have Pryor look good.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
My guess would be that Leinart starts but Pryor plays considerably more than he has–maybe a quarter but at least a couple of possessions.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
They seem to feel that he’s only qualified to run trick plays.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
If Pryor only plays a couple of series I’m grabbing my pitchfork.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
It’s 23:35 here.
The turkey has been consumed, the bones have been scraped, the Christmas pudding has been eaten, the whiskey has been drunk and all is right with the world.
God bless us every one and merry Christmas to all even if you don’t believe and are going to hell.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Same to you swabby
December 25th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
There are three kinds of lies:
(a)lies,
(b) damn lies, and
(c) statistics
–Prime Minister Benajmin Disraeli.
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Exactly my point. No reason to believe that Geno’s 40-6 TD-INT means he’s ready for the NFL. Glad we agree.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
I think it is funny that becuase geno smith is head and shoulders the best qb in the draft people say they don’t want a qb or the class is qb weak.
Hmmmmm some things never change
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I am 100% convinced you don’t even believe the stuff that comes out of your mouth. It is your way of getting people to talk to you…. I bet you wouldn’t mind if we went 0-16 year after year as long as Jesse Jackson was our Head Coach.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
I think it is funny that becuase geno smith is head and shoulders the best qb in the draft people say they don’t want a qb or the class is qb weak.
Hmmmmm some things never change
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Yeah, becuz NFL teams always refuse to draft great QB’s that can help them win.
Makes total sense.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
God bless us every one and merry Christmas to all even if you don’t believe and are going to hell.
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So you’re part of the 99.5% of England that isn’t secular? LOL
December 25th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
I think it is funny that becuase geno smith is head and shoulders the best qb in the draft people say they don’t want a qb or the class is qb weak.
Hmmmmm some things never change
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Head and shoulders above the rest? Where was Geno when the Heisman voting took place? Below Colin Klein and Johnny Football is where.
And before you say it was some racial bias for the Heisman, keep in mind that RGiii won it last yr.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Exactly my point. No reason to believe that Geno’s 40-6 TD-INT means he’s ready for the NFL. Glad we agree.
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Exactly my point, no reason to believe Colt Brennan and Geno Smith are the same.
Glad we agree.
December 25th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
From that pro-day workout article posted earlier…
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Former Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Ken Anderson, who has been tutoring Pryor in recent months, was impressed with Pryor’s performance, which lasted roughly two hours.
“He showed good feet and good arm strength,” Anderson said. “Like all young quarterbacks, he has to go out and play football. But he showed what his potential could be.”
Rosenhaus has called Pryor a “first-round talent” as a quarterback, but most observers have him going in the middle rounds and perhaps as another position players, such as tight end.
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The important acknowledgment and observation above is that by Ken Anderson. “Like all young QBs, he has to go out and play football.”
This is why you have to keep giving Pryor more and more snaps each week. Imagine if this was only week 4. They should’ve been doing this with him from the start. Bit by bit, like they did with Kaepernick. Especially Pryor, if there’s any truth in him requiring easing into the NFL more than others.
If Pryor is indeed too erratic in practice, just to play devils advocate, it’s not evil of DA/Knapp if they were looking to protect him from having his confidence crushed, being thrown out there too early, not having any chemistry with the receivers like even Palmer has had troubles with these receivers not running the right routes etc.
I don’t care about rushing Pryor in. I just want to know if Reggie/Allen genuinely like Pryor and want him to develop another season and see if he becomes starter. Or whether there’s that anti-Al agenda, or agenda to always get rid of inherited QBs/players and choose your own.
If it’s the former, I am okay with Pryor gradually getting more and more snaps/packages (tho they started way too late), because they’re not gonna get rid of him without a proper chance. Truly want to develop him.
But if it’s the latter, which is more evident with not only how Pryor has been treated, but how Taiwan and many others have (even Reece), and how there has been an agenda to clear out players they didn’t draft (even Moore would you believe is on the block), then it’s important for fans wanting to remain truly objective to not parrot BS that these coaches and shill writers spread.
Unfortunately, there’s a lot of anti-Pryor people here PURELY because of what went down at OSU. They’ve decided to not like him, decided he cant be anything but a WR/TE, decided he’s an immature money-hungry punk, etc. Which is really unfair to completely label and pigeon-hole a kid based on collegiate life. It IS important to keep perspective like others have said, he’s only 21-23 during this period of time.
More important….it’s how someone develops THRU that adversity. Some are treated as entitled golden boys thru that period, and surrounded with great players around them, they hit the pros and never learn humility and struggle, still entitled. There are others who were always back-ups and had to work harder, werent liked by scouts/coaches, got a chip on their shoulder, and work harder to succeed nothing entitled (tom brady).
What we’ve seen of Pryor is he got torched and hurt by his own mistakes and those of his mentors (tressel), he got slammed nationally far more than Newton etc did, people still hated him, he got to the NFL and got humbled by coaching staffs etc, had to work extra hard and he embraced that reality, he genuinely changed and took on the Gannon-like attitude to tag along Palmer and keep learning, become better, vindicate his drafting, those who believed in him (Al), is confident but never bullshtz like he did before, now he always speaks from the heart and tells how it is about himself (many recent quotes from him), and most importantly he is working hard to be a team player, buys into Allen and wants to just help contribute to the team, isn’t going to gripe about his “lot in life” at this point in time.
December 25th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Johnny football is not in this draft class guys. Mistic1 is talking about draftable QB’s. Geno Smith is hands down the class of the draft at QB or any other position. Good size, great arm, very accurate and very mobile. If you watch him play to say he’s not a top 5 pick is ridiculous. IMO he’s better at his position than Manti Te’o is at his and most of believe Te’o is a top 5 pick.
You guys call Mistic1 a racist and everything else because he exposed Palmer. You said Palmer is the best QB we had in years yet we went 4-11 and at least 2 loses can be layed at his feet. He didn’t tilt the games in our favor but once all year. Only Lady Quinn made him look great but he does that with everyone.
I bought into Palmer wholheartedly and to be honest I’m pissed I did. he just wasn’t the difference maker I could’ve swore he would be. We got hosed!………period
December 25th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
“Of the 17 NFL teams eliminated from the playoffs only the Raiders are stashing a young quarterback, who is still an unknown quantity, on the bench. Every other rookie or young prospect has been given a chance on bad teams with quarterback question marks. Even Greg McElroy started an NFL game this season.”
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000116843/article/terrelle-pryor-a-work-in-progress-for-oakland-raiders
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Good point. I am pro-Pryor and have been a long time fan of his dating back to OSU.
However, the Chiefs have not once brought in Ricky Stanzi for even token snaps, let alone a drive or two. And is still buried behind Quinn. Stanzi has been in their system now several years with two different coaching staffs and has never had a genuine shot either. You’d think the Chiefs would’ve wanted to see what they had in him by now.
December 25th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
However, the Chiefs have not once brought in Ricky Stanzi for even token snaps, let alone a drive or two. And is still buried behind Quinn. Stanzi has been in their system now several years with two different coaching staffs and has never had a genuine shot either. You’d think the Chiefs would’ve wanted to see what they had in him by now.
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Raiders > Chiefs, or Raiders < Chiefs?
December 25th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Just highlighting that NFL article is wrong. There’s Stanzi, and there’s a couple more too. Especially Chiefs and Raiders tho, both their seasons finished very early, you’d think they’d have put Stanzi out there to evaluate whether they had anything in Stanzi before wasting a pick on Geno Smith. Only 2-3 years since being drafted, Stanzi, had a lot of promise, sleeper Brady talk. Looked good in pre-season games.
December 25th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
GG, They want us believe Pryor is some mirage our eyes are decieving us. I watched again last night his last bowl game vs Ore. and while he was raw the potential is staggering. That was the game that made me go back and rewatch hi swork over the past 3 years and I saw a kid who just wasn’t coached well. His HC if he had a bad game would handcuff him instead of getting him to play better. As a result he never showed on a consistent basis what he could do. Every QB has bad games but you have to let them play themselves out of it. He wasn’t alllowed to do that. If they give him the chance to develop they could have a rare gem on their hands, rare ability to creat and wreak havoc througout this league. But they have to give him time to grow and become that. On the field…
December 25th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
#2’s or #3’s not getting a chance tho season lost, whether to evaluate them further or for trade bait…
Bills: Tavaris Jackson
Browns: Thaddeus Lewis
Titans: Rusty Smith
Chiefs: Ricky Stanzi
Raiders: Terrelle Pryor
Jets: Tim Tebow
Lions: Kellen Moore
Young #2’s or #3’s who could’ve gotten far more plays to develop them further, but haven’t, even tho there’s been plenty of chances this season (blow outs). Nor even for trade bait….
Patriots: Ryan Mallett
Ravens: Tyrod Taylor
Texans: TJ Yates
Broncos: Brock Osweiller
Packers: Graham Harrell
Vikings: Joe Webb + Mcleod Bethel-Thompson
Panthers: Jimmy Clausen
Saints: Chase Daniel
Seahawks: Matt Flynn
49ers: Scott Tolzien
Rams: Austin Davis
Cardinals: Brian Hoyer
Teams who have done so…
Jets: Greg McElroy
Chiefs: Brady Quinn
Eagles: Nick Foles
Redskins: Kirk Cousins
Cardinals: Ryan Lindley
49ers: Colin Kaepernick
December 25th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
I do believe Stanzi has been in games as a result of injuries in the past I’ not sure but I believe he has been. However I do agree he has a much better chance to succeed over lady boy. He’s well schooled and I did like him as well.
But again it’s not about Pryor starting this one last game with me as much as it is that they stop dismissing him and start developing his talent and get him up to speed as quick as they possibly can. I think starting him this game will go a long way into next year. Let him just play and see how well he handles certain situations so there is coachable tape on him to teach him with. That has been my only contention this year put something on film to coach up and get him better. But there seemed to be an anti-Al’s players conspiracy instead maybe the idea of a contraversy scared them I don’t know. But I do know he should not have been 3rd string at any point this year………period
And Pryor knows that…….
December 25th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Johnny football is not in this draft class guys. Mistic1 is talking about draftable QB’s. Geno Smith is hands down the class of the draft at QB or any other position. Good size, great arm, very accurate and very mobile. If you watch him play to say he’s not a top 5 pick is ridiculous. IMO he’s better at his position than Manti Te’o is at his and most of believe Te’o is a top 5 pick.
You guys call Mistic1 a racist and everything else because he exposed Palmer. You said Palmer is the best QB we had in years yet we went 4-11 and at least 2 loses can be layed at his feet. He didn’t tilt the games in our favor but once all year. Only Lady Quinn made him look great but he does that with everyone.
I bought into Palmer wholheartedly and to be honest I’m pissed I did. he just wasn’t the difference maker I could’ve swore he would be. We got hosed!………period
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Geno Smith isn’t and won’t be a top 5 pick.
December 25th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
All I hear about on the news is the “fiscal cliff” that our poor beleaguered scumbag politicians created.
I’m sure that a lot of the socialists on here could give a sht about it.
But McKenzie doesn’t have the luxury of kicking the can down the road, he is not the Fed, he can’t create money out of the blue.
Yet the idiot “fans” on here are calling for his head.
Why are they silent as our economy goes down the toilet? Why don’t they care more about something that is really going to impact their lives?
Are all you guys really on the dole?
December 25th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Show some gravitas DA, and give Pryor a shot!
Merry Xmas to Raider Nation. On to 2013 and a Silver and Black comeback.
December 25th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
However, the Chiefs have not once brought in Ricky Stanzi for even token snaps, let alone a drive or two. And is still buried behind Quinn. Stanzi has been in their system now several years with two different coaching staffs and has never had a genuine shot either. You’d think the Chiefs would’ve wanted to see what they had in him by now.
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Good point as well. Stanzi had an even worse preseason than Cassel and Quinn. Stanzi was also selected in the 5th round.
And as far as I can gather (googling his name) Chiefs fans are asking the same question.
December 25th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Also I think this is Stanzi’s second year also.
December 25th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
GG, A lot of thos eplayers mentioned have had extensive playing time previously. All anyone is saying is our QB position was supposed to be stable but it isn’t and we need to see if the kid can be developed most of those players are known quantities.
December 25th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Looking at that entire list of QBs not getting a chance.
Genuinely, you’d have to say those with the most potential and talent would be…
Pryor, Stanzi, Mallett, Osweiller, Webb, Flynn.
Flynn lost out to a 5th round rookie, did not look as good even as far back as pre-season than Wilson, and has since shown to be nothing more than back-up caliber a la Leinart. Shows how much in danger the Seahawks were in if they had completely relied on Flynn and didn’t draft someone else. Seahawks would be the Cardinals under Skelton/Kolb.
Webb I feel is not being a legitimate chance. He at least HAS had series of plays last year, and he was very good. But they never even used him for more interesting looks this year a la what we say of Pryor. Webb is a very clean passer of the ball too. Webb is much-talented, much-wasted on the bench.
Osweiller just has to sit and wait his turn. Clearly drafted by Elway, his own guy waiting in the wings. In a good situation. 2-3 years from now will be his window to prove he’s the future or not.
Mallett to his credit has beaten out Hoyer who was a hold-over from the previous two seasons when he in turn beat out Kevin O’Connell (remember him? Al was interested in him San Diego State player). Bit surprising tho that Belichick hasnt brought out Mallett for more series of plays when the Patriots have had a commanding lead in the 4th Qtr. Mallett needs the Patriots OL to buy time because he looks terrible when pass protection isn’t giving him 10 secs.
Stanzi drew comparisons to Tom Brady’s situation and sleeper-potential. He looked good in his FIRST pre-season/camp effort. But was trapped behind the better Cassel (2011). But this year he lost out to Brady Quinn in camp. Not a good sign. And still hasn’t even had any series. You’d think the Chiefs at 2-13 would’ve at least started him just to evaluate what they have better before drafting a Geno Smith. Seems they’ve made up their minds. However, they could’ve played him a la Eagles-Kolb or Falcons-Schaub or Packers-Flynn to drum up trade interest.
Pryor unfortunately walked into the NFL on a 5 game suspension. Which coincided with Campbell getting injured and Palmer traded for. Didn’t have a QB Coach that year, and this is his very first year in a more ‘professionally’ run situation. He has not yet beaten out Leinart, but that is more to do with Knapp than anything. Still, it’s OKAY if Pryor is not starting purely IF Reggie/Allen are NOT going to dump Pryor. If they genuinely want him to develop and happy to bring him back for the entire 2013 season to develop/assess him…then okay, Pryor slowly-slowly. But it is interesting that both Stanzi and Pryor are trapped behind mediocre QBs and in 2-13/4-11 type seasons they could’ve both been used more or sooner.
December 25th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
In other cases the starting player is young is needs as many reps as possible so to look at someone further down the depth chart takes away badly needed reps.
It would be like playing Leinart so he could get starter reps when he basically is a known quantity.
December 25th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Patriots: Ryan Mallett
Ravens: Tyrod Taylor
Texans: TJ Yates
Broncos: Brock Osweiller
Packers: Graham Harrell
Vikings: Joe Webb + Mcleod Bethel-Thompson
Panthers: Jimmy Clausen
Saints: Chase Daniel
Seahawks: Matt Flynn
49ers: Scott Tolzien
Rams: Austin Davis
Cardinals: Brian Hoyer
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Pretty much ridiculous to have played any of these guys at any point based on the teams record. Austin Davis? Come on undrafted
Bills: Tavaris Jackson
Browns: Thaddeus Lewis
Titans: Rusty Smith
Chiefs: Ricky Stanzi
Raiders: Terrelle Pryor
Jets: Tim Tebow
These Guys? I believe Tavaris and Timmy have had a shot. Lewis was undrafted and the Brownies already are starting a rookie. Rusty Smith? Never heard of him.
December 25th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Post#569 have to agree, The only real players I feel were mishandled were Pryor and Stanzi. Tebow is a known quantity. Either you want him or you don’t.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Twocents Says:
Why are they silent as our economy goes down the toilet?
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Because the better educated people here know that it’s not really a “cliff”. It’s a gentle slope downhill. There are no immediate dire consequences of allowing the tax cuts to expire and spending cuts to kick in.
Quit watching Fox or CNN news. It’s all bullsh!t meant to manipulate your feeble mind.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Btw, so you all know, I am massive Pryor fan dating back to OSU. Didn’t know more about him before that. I want Pryor to elevate to starter, but only if/when he genuinely does it thru hard-work. He HAS been working hard etc, so I am happy for him, and now is the time to get that car out and give it a test drive in week 17. Nothing to really lose. Even if he plays awfully, say, I wouldnt be writing him off as it’s his first test. Bring him back for 2013, and continue developing him. If he is god-awful end of 2013, then okay, get him to switch to WR/TE. Him and Ausberry as receiving TEs would be a nightmare to defend….but that’s only IF he is truly god-awful end of 2013. And don’t no one be saying he’s already god-awful on the back of Allens words. They’ve ALL been saying he has been developing well etc. Even Pryor has been saying his confidence is growing as he has been memorizing the entire playbook and very happy with his mechanics etc.
I just worry about the regime agenda…pryor, taiwan, ausberry, chekwa, reece, even now dhb, moore being rumored as on the block for adam schefter.
Allen on Newton: “guys with that size weight speed pose so much trouble to defend and don’t fall into your lap.” Lol, hello, Pryor fell into your lap. Be more enthusiastic about Pryor!! He hasn’t shown that enthusiasm which is worrying of this regime agenda. Especially discernible BECAUSE Knapp is the OC, who ALWAYS uses a conservative boring system and doesn’t involve many personnel packages etc. Cannot judge Pryor in a Knapp offense!! They have not even genuinely installed a Spread Option package. They only just started last couple weeks installing a couple plays. Negligent coaching that is.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
#569, yeah that’s cool. See my post #567, i also extrapolated on what you mentioned in #569.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Just checked on that Rusty Smith character. He’s actually had some starts, needless to say it wasn’t pretty stuff.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Also a lot of Raider fans are in fear of Pryor getting dumped before he ever gets a shot. I personally don’t think there is any chance Pryor is let go or traded unless someone overwhelmed us with picks. I defnitely feel he’s back no matter how he plays Sunday because to judge a player over one bad outting would show the staff’s incompetence beyond a shadow of a doubt. As well as their bias.
If they move or cut Pryor based on a bad outting I quit this team until they are fired…………it would also show me Mark Davis is clueless.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Again the best org. are where they are because they develope talent the best……..to ignore potential talent corrodes your org. from the inside.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Joe Webb is someone who measures up closely with Terrelle Pryor. Incredibly talented, and is even more of a clean passer of the ball than Terrelle. Webb got a bunch of looks last season, played in series of plays, even whole halves. But has been trapped behind Ponder the entire time this year, and I even read soemwhere where the Vikings coaches, answering questions about Webb, said they dont see him as being a genuine QB prospect. Im a bit WTF with that because he has looked very clean.
Webb and Pryor have uphill situations. Inherited depth QBs on new coaching staffs or regime changes. Sometimes its purely that which holds a player down. Whilst guys like Newton, Kaepernick and RGIII got drafted high by a new regime, so they got their chance.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Pryor outplayed Leinart in the preseason. Stanzi didn’t out play Quinn. Either way both teams are stupid for not taking a look at what they have.
I do think Pryor will be back next year though. They can’t get anyone better for cheaper.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
It is a fiscal slope, not a cliff.
Funny actually, it is just the end of the Bush tax cuts, which we were told were the great demise of everything and now that they are set to expire it is the end of the world or something.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Why would you keep Palmer on the field when Pryor enters? That is idiotic!!! This means when Palmer is out wide it is one less played the defense has to account for basically setting up 10 offensive players against 11 defenders, as Palmer was.
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While I do agree that splitting out a QB wide is at most times pointless, this formation did generate our longest play of the day.
That shouldn’t be ignored.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Chiefs fans have created a StanziNation twitter account, lol.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Except the Vikes are in a playoff hunt. Raiders have been out of it since DA forgot to have a backup long snapper and decided instead to repeatedly smash his head in to a wall.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Inherited depth QBs on new coaching staffs or regime changes. Sometimes its purely that which holds a player down.
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Yup, that is what Pryor is facing.
New organization/staff looks at his development as not their problem.
And it would get even worse with a new staff. TP needs DA and even Knapp if he wants the best chance to play next year.
Just the business side of the game.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Another thing, Geno Smith is not “very mobile”.
Not by a longshot. Mel Kiper Jr compared him to Drew Bledsoe, lol.
His 40 time and 20 yard cone drill will be below average at the combine.
He is more like Matt Ryan, very very accurate 25 yards and in, which is a great skill for the next level.
But there will be numerous guys with stronger arms and faster 40 times.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
#583….
That’s why Im okay if Pryor is eased in and indeed returns next season under Allen (just not Knapp). IF Reggie/Allen will genuinely not dump him out of that “i didnt draft him” bias.
Knapp must not return tho because Knapp’s offense is not suited to Pryor. Nor imaginative enough. And Knapp is even worse than that — he insists on his system and forcing players into it. Even vet established players. If an OC is genuinely interested in Pryor they would do like what Panthers/Skins did with Newton/RGIII which was HYBRID spread option into their system, or for Pryor specifically.
For instance….RGIII plays predominantly that hybrid package. But when Cousins is out there, he plays exclusively pro-style. Why Cousins is probably the long-term starter there or the long-term future. RGIII still has a long ways to go before learning and mastering the pro-style.
Russell Wilson is better than him because he has been learning and is far more masterful at various systems — not just this season but in his collegiate career. RGIII has been played mainly in the spread option. Wilson is ahead of him in the learning curve.
Best QBs from 2012 will be Luck, Wilson, Cousins and Foles. Maybe Osweiller one day.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
His forty time is slated to be in the 4.7 to 4.8 range, which is more likely to be in the bottom half of the QB’s then the top half.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Talent speaks the loudest, Pryor needs DA and Knapp like he needs a hole in the head. If Pryor can’t prove out with his talent it doesn’t matter who the coach is with talent like his most coaches with a brain canot deny it.
Again you guys the HC and the OC have given their oinions on the kid. If that doesn’t speak volumns then nothing you can say will. These dummies are the ones who buried him on the depth chart for Leinart. Who underwhelmed the entire brass.
No one is saying anything they aren’t saying the GM said he needs to see him in a game and forced those morons to dress him. What else needs to be said??
December 25th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
After Sunday’s game the HC said pryor would used basically the same way. The next day his tone was very different he actually is consideraing starting Pryor.
Now where do you think that came from. His own pea brain or was his butt chewed for that fiasco Sunday. The GM is mandating that Pryor be played or there may be consequences.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Priestt…
It’s a valid complaint that Allen/Knapp have erred not easing Pryor in sooner than later. Still, I can also give some benefit of the doubt in that Pryor was very raw coming in. No QB coach last year, had a lot of mechanics to fix. This year, needed a lot more time in the shadows just learning the game, the playbook, tagging along with Palmer, etc, as they have done. Not rushing Pryor into it too soon. Nothing wrong with that silent development (rodgers at Packers). When the coaching staff feel that player is truly ready, look how they forced Favre out to bring Rodgers up as Favre was not budging. Why I also want Palmer to return because he is a great and humble mentor for Pryor. Spending another season as Palmer’s side-kick and film buddy would truly elevate his development.
Certain aspects of continuity there are merited. Dennis Allen and Palmer returning with Pryor is okay. Just not Knapp. He is a coach and team killer.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Pryor has way more talent than DA and Knapp combined.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Certain aspects of continuity there are merited. Dennis Allen and Palmer returning with Pryor is okay. Just not Knapp. He is a coach and team killer.
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Agree!
December 25th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
If DA wants to prove he is a good coach, he needs to surround himself with better assistants, and a legit OC for sure. Right now, his assistants are making him look bad. Very bad. So bad it would be odd if he isn’t fired.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Better Webb @ Vikings video…shows the passing too…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wX-I7KZjRU
December 25th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Pryor needs to start. We know what we got in Lienart. Winning vs SD is a moot point. Pryor needs to start. If DA starts Lienart, expect a loss, no doubt about it.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
I’m not saying we will win or lose with Pryor. Don’t know that. But keeping what could be a potential prospect grounded and on the bench is just plain wrong. Give the guy a shot. He deserves it.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
This is for the idiot who said Geno Smith is basically a statue. Watch and marvel;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDPH12JWJ3w
December 25th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
And let Pryor get into the flow and feel of the game. Not a dink and dunk here and there. The Jets destroyed Tebow with inappropiate use and DA is doing the same damn thing. Pryor needs to get into the flow and feel so he can command the offense. Not go do Knapps bidding with some stupid horizontal passing for minus yards.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
If that doesn’t work pull up any Geno Smith highlight reel and see for yourself just how mobile the kid is.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Pryors’ biggest asset would be his running ability on a coverage or busted play. That threat alone has to be worth something. Lienart proves his non ability, so what good would it do to start him. Pryor needs to start. Lets see what he’s got. He isn’t going to be the reason DA gets fired, but he could help him out. Pryors’ only problem or setback will be the OC play calling. Yikes!
December 25th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Priestt…
It’s a valid complaint that Allen/Knapp have erred not easing Pryor in sooner than later. Still, I can also give some benefit of the doubt in that Pryor was very raw coming in. No QB coach last year, had a lot of mechanics to fix. This year, needed a lot more time in the shadows just learning the game, the playbook, tagging along with Palmer, etc, as they have done. Not rushing Pryor into it too soon. Nothing wrong with that silent development (rodgers at Packers). When the coaching staff feel that player is truly ready, look how they forced Favre out to bring Rodgers up as Favre was not budging. Why I also want Palmer to return because he is a great and humble mentor for Pryor. Spending another season as Palmer’s side-kick and film buddy would truly elevate his development.
Certain aspects of continuity there are merited. Dennis Allen and Palmer returning with Pryor is okay. Just not Knapp. He is a coach and team killer.
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GG I might be more willing to accept this if I didn’t see the widespread ineptness on this staff. Look at what they did to other players that wee here prior to their arrival. I will be very hard on this staff with anything they do as beneficial to any player. I know what I saw in preseason and I also know what they did…………period
December 25th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
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like them or not, they are well respected nfl coaches.
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Ouch.
December 25th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Help me out Priesttwith your statements below. I will break it down because I’m so confused as to where you are going: My comments are in (parentheses).
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Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Talent speaks the loudest, Pryor needs DA and Knapp like he needs a hole in the head.(ok so the coaches are horrible).
If Pryor can’t prove out with his talent it doesn’t matter who the coach is with talent like his most coaches with a brain canot deny it.(ok so Pryor is so good even the coaches can’t screw him up).
Again you guys the HC and the OC have given their oinions on the kid. If that doesn’t speak volumns then nothing you can say will.(ok so he ain’t good because the coaches suck again).
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Man I swear the stuff you and Mistic spit on this blog should come with complimentary boots because its piling up in here.
You guys dump on Palmer and never mention what the whole world knows about Palmer except D.A. Palmer’s problem is Knapp.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Who in their right mind would play Matt Leinart?
What woul be a saving grace to a disaster of a season would be to play TP6, and watch him take down Sandy Eggo, and go into next year with something positive!!!
December 25th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
I saw all I needed to from this staff when DA showed how unprepared he was in week/weak 1.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Palmer’s problem is Knapp.
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Yup.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
I saw all I needed to from this staff when DA showed how unprepared he was in week/weak 1.
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December 25th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Another thing, Geno Smith is not “very mobile”.
Not by a longshot. Mel Kiper Jr compared him to Drew Bledsoe, lol.
His 40 time and 20 yard cone drill will be below average at the combine.
He is more like Matt Ryan, very very accurate 25 yards and in, which is a great skill for the next level.
But there will be numerous guys with stronger arms and faster 40 times.
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Anyone who says this kid isn’t very mobile is a freaking MORON. Drew Bledsoe probably ran more like a 5.7 same as Brady in the mid5’s. Smith is at least in the 4.5 or 4.6 and to say that isn’t mobile is very silly.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
590.RaiderCrunch Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Pryor has way more talent than DA and Knapp combined.
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Two Lab Rats may have more talent than DA and Knapp. Pound for pound 1 Lab Rat has way more talent than Knapp for sure.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Incidently Kaepernick ran a 4.53.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
592.RaiderCrunch Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
If DA wants to prove he is a good coach, he needs to surround himself with better assistants, and a legit OC for sure. Right now, his assistants are making him look bad. Very bad. So bad it would be odd if he isn’t fired.
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This is what I fear may be going on with Reggie and DA. I think both are afraid to hire guys who could ultimately replace them. They are rookies in their jobs and insecure IMO.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Google Geno Smith 40. Before you are finished 4.78 pops up.
But F Geno Smith anyway. He belongs to the Chiefs.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
His forty time is slated to be in the 4.7 to 4.8 range, which is more likely to be in the bottom half of the QB’s then the top half.
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Let me enlighten you a bit. Most QB’s run 4.8 and worse Elway was a 4.8 Steve Young 4.5.
A 4.8 40 is considered fast for a QB always has been and still is.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
This is what I fear may be going on with Reggie and DA. I think both are afraid to hire guys who could ultimately replace them. They are rookies in their jobs and insecure IMO.
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Unbelievable. If I’m succesful in my business, it is because I hire competent and able people. They make me look good. Numbskulls make me look bad. Business 101.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
These clowns that are running this team are so unprepared they don’t want to play Pryor for fear of a QB controversy. Which they are to inept to handle.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
It’s just that TP6 and RG3 run as fast as your fastest players in this league. Most rec’s run 4.4, 4.5 if you are faster than 4.4 you are in the 10% of the league at any position.
4.5 speed is flying any faster and you separate yourself from the majority of the league………period
December 25th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
The only way you can convince Mistic and Priestt that Geno is not mobile enough is to invite them to Chiefs training camp and line up Mistic at LDE and Priestt at RDE. They would both probably take plays off just to come back on here and say they were right….
Following week: “See you idiots on here, JFB, 504 and the rest. I told you Geno was mobile. we never came close enough to put our breath on him, he’s a HOF Qb.”
December 25th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
The only thing I worry about Geno Smith….
he has an extremely talented receiving corp around him, and he often throws into double coverage etc because he can rely on them so much to bail him out or make plays. That kind of thing can be his undoing in the NFL, where he will resort to those desperate throws “expecting” receivers to bail him out.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
613.RaiderCrunch Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
This is what I fear may be going on with Reggie and DA. I think both are afraid to hire guys who could ultimately replace them. They are rookies in their jobs and insecure IMO.
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Unbelievable. If I’m succesful in my business, it is because I hire competent and able people. They make me look good. Numbskulls make me look bad. Business 101.
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Yep I know a very successful guy down here and he said his secret for over 45 years has been “to hire people smarter than he is and get the hell out of their way.”
December 25th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Google Geno Smith 40. Before you are finished 4.78 pops up.
But F Geno Smith anyway. He belongs to the Chiefs.
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That is still faster than 90% of QB’s in this league. You guys just don’t get it find someone anyone you know and time them in the 40 yard dash and see what you get. That is probably what Donovan McNabb ran a 4.6, 4.7 I gaurantee you most QB’s who are considered mobile are slower than that.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Get this Reggie clan the fk out of here.This is the worst staff in the HISTORY of the NFL!! OUT OUT OUT!!!
December 25th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
In fact most QB’s don’t run 40’s because it doesn’t matter to scouts and GM’s and it certainly wont stop a GM from drafting you very high. Speed at that position is a LUXURY not something they take that seriously.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
The only way you can convince Mistic and Priestt that Geno is not mobile enough is to invite them to Chiefs training camp and line up Mistic at LDE and Priestt at RDE. They would both probably take plays off just to come back on here and say they were right….
Following week: “See you idiots on here, JFB, 504 and the rest. I told you Geno was mobile. we never came close enough to put our breath on him, he’s a HOF Qb.”
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Who gives two shts about his “mobility” anyway? Is it out of the realm of possibility that he’ll be a top-5 pick on the strength of his ability to throw tons of TDs(40) while at the same time displaying the ability to protect the ball (6 ints)?? Not every black QB that comes into the league has to run a 4.0 40 dude. Last I checked, QBs pass the football. At the end of the day, NFL scouts will find that Geno does that better than any QB in the draft, 40 time be damned!
December 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Man I swear the stuff you and Mistic spit on this blog should come with complimentary boots because its piling up in here.
You guys dump on Palmer and never mention what the whole world knows about Palmer except D.A. Palmer’s problem is Knapp.
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LMAO!
You nailed it 504.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
GG, That is p[recisely what I like about Geno is that he has the armstrength to stick throws in there when a guy is covered that IMO is one of his strengths. In the NFL open is determined by inches not feet like it is in college. Yeah those kids are NFL calibre WR’s but isn’t that what he’ll be playing with at this level?
Geno is legit, as they come has very good escapability along with all the other important tools. He is far and away a better player than Barkley and the rest.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Man I swear the stuff you and Mistic spit on this blog should come with complimentary boots because its piling up in here.
You guys dump on Palmer and never mention what the whole world knows about Palmer except D.A. Palmer’s problem is Knapp.
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LMAO!
You nailed it 504.
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Is that right? I didn’t know Knapp coached for Cincy in 2010, yet another 4-12 season! Thanks for the tip.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
I think Russell Wilson is more like a 4.6 guy as well..
December 25th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
622.RaiderDebo Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
The only way you can convince Mistic and Priestt that Geno is not mobile enough is to invite them to Chiefs training camp and line up Mistic at LDE and Priestt at RDE. They would both probably take plays off just to come back on here and say they were right….
Following week: “See you idiots on here, JFB, 504 and the rest. I told you Geno was mobile. we never came close enough to put our breath on him, he’s a HOF Qb.”
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Who gives two shts about his “mobility” anyway? Is it out of the realm of possibility that he’ll be a top-5 pick on the strength of his ability to throw tons of TDs(40) while at the same time displaying the ability to protect the ball (6 ints)?? Not every black QB that comes into the league has to run a 4.0 40 dude. Last I checked, QBs pass the football. At the end of the day, NFL scouts will find that Geno does that better than any QB in the draft, 40 time be damned!
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Hye Debo, I’m pissed about JaMarcus too.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
GG, That is p[recisely what I like about Geno is that he has the armstrength to stick throws in there when a guy is covered that IMO is one of his strengths. In the NFL open is determined by inches not feet like it is in college. Yeah those kids are NFL calibre WR’s but isn’t that what he’ll be playing with at this level?
Geno is legit, as they come has very good escapability along with all the other important tools. He is far and away a better player than Barkley and the rest.
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Anybody who thought the 70-63 win against Baylor was just Geno throwing against no D needs to watch it. Reminded me a lot of Kerry Collins’ game against the Vikings in that playoff game like 10 yrs ago. The accuracy he displayed was uncanny! It would be tough to put up those numbers against air.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
#625…
Im not at all saying I dont like Smith. Just saying that aspect of his play worries me. Good to have a QB with an arm and a gunslinger attitude. Nothing worse than a QB that bores and frustrates you to death with safe short throws. Smith sticks in the pocket too with pressure in his face. He’s big brawny and manly. Unlike, say Gabbert, who has a recoil factor.
Barkley isn’t entirely rubbish, but he’ll slip to the mid-bottom of the 1st and someone will claim him. But he reminds me more of a Heath Shuler.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Debo, They can say what they want I’ve watched the kid play enough and his mobility is better than most starters in this league. On top of that i he has a gun for an arm and accuracy to boot.
Let them hate all they want, ask them about Barkleys mobility………..lol
December 25th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
622.RaiderDebo Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
The only way you can convince Mistic and Priestt that Geno is not mobile enough is to invite them to Chiefs training camp and line up Mistic at LDE and Priestt at RDE. They would both probably take plays off just to come back on here and say they were right….
Following week: “See you idiots on here, JFB, 504 and the rest. I told you Geno was mobile. we never came close enough to put our breath on him, he’s a HOF Qb.”
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Who gives two shts about his “mobility” anyway? Is it out of the realm of possibility that he’ll be a top-5 pick on the strength of his ability to throw tons of TDs(40) while at the same time displaying the ability to protect the ball (6 ints)?? Not every black QB that comes into the league has to run a 4.0 40 dude. Last I checked, QBs pass the football. At the end of the day, NFL scouts will find that Geno does that better than any QB in the draft, 40 time be damned!
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Hye Debo, I’m pissed about JaMarcus too.
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Glad to have you on board the train.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
#625…
Im not at all saying I dont like Smith. Just saying that aspect of his play worries me. Good to have a QB with an arm and a gunslinger attitude. Nothing worse than a QB that bores and frustrates you to death with safe short throws. Smith sticks in the pocket too with pressure in his face. He’s big brawny and manly. Unlike, say Gabbert, who has a recoil factor.
Barkley isn’t entirely rubbish, but he’ll slip to the mid-bottom of the 1st and someone will claim him. But he reminds me more of a Heath Shuler.
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Not convinced Barkley can’t play in the right system.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
I’m gonna take a few minutes and watch this Geno Smith highlight reel…. Wonder what Mike Mitchell is doing right now…..
I’ll be back with 2 pennies from the junk drawer.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
But forget about Geno Smith, the Chiefs will draft him, or, they’ll allow someone else to trade up for their spot and get Smith. Raiders will have to think about LB, DE/OLB, LT, DT in the first round. They can restructure Palmer or have to groom Pryor.
Reggie wont trade UP for Smith, what’s more realistic is he’ll trade down for the next lot of QBs, or wait in the early-middle rounds for a QB he likes to be still on the board.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Debo, They can say what they want I’ve watched the kid play enough and his mobility is better than most starters in this league. On top of that i he has a gun for an arm and accuracy to boot.
Let them hate all they want, ask them about Barkleys mobility………..lol
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The same people who hated on RG3 and Newton before. I’m convinced it has more to do with anti-Mistic sentiment than it being a real football takes. What a joke!
December 25th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
^Agreed.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Help me out Priesttwith your statements below. I will break it down because I’m so confused as to where you are going: My comments are in (parentheses).
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Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Talent speaks the loudest, Pryor needs DA and Knapp like he needs a hole in the head.(ok so the coaches are horrible).
If Pryor can’t prove out with his talent it doesn’t matter who the coach is with talent like his most coaches with a brain canot deny it.(ok so Pryor is so good even the coaches can’t screw him up).
Again you guys the HC and the OC have given their oinions on the kid. If that doesn’t speak volumns then nothing you can say will.(ok so he ain’t good because the coaches suck again).
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Man I swear the stuff you and Mistic spit on this blog should come with complimentary boots because its piling up in here.
You guys dump on Palmer and never mention what the whole world knows about Palmer except D.A. Palmer’s problem is Knapp.
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Keep it simple stupid. I was referring to what the coaches have said about Pryor. If they don’t play or develope him someone else will. They damned themselves with their own comments.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
*Chiefs or Jaguars will draft Smith. Khan (jags owner) would be crazy to trade for Tebow tho and also draft another QB. There’ll just be that continuing QB drama every team Tebow ends up at having other QBs the GMs/HCs wanted too.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
I meant 634 but I agree with 635 also.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Debo, They can say what they want I’ve watched the kid play enough and his mobility is better than most starters in this league. On top of that i he has a gun for an arm and accuracy to boot.
Let them hate all they want, ask them about Barkleys mobility………..lol
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The same people who hated on RG3 and Newton before. I’m convinced it has more to do with anti-Mistic sentiment than it being a real football takes. What a joke!
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December 25th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Is that right? I didn’t know Knapp coached for Cincy in 2010, yet another 4-12 season! Thanks for the tip.
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There is nothing in the passage that I quoted about Cincy but if you’re looking for the “tip”, then you’re going to the right place.
Have fun.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
But forget about Geno Smith, the Chiefs will draft him, or, they’ll allow someone else to trade up for their spot and get Smith. Raiders will have to think about LB, DE/OLB, LT, DT in the first round. They can restructure Palmer or have to groom Pryor.
Reggie wont trade UP for Smith, what’s more realistic is he’ll trade down for the next lot of QBs, or wait in the early-middle rounds for a QB he likes to be still on the board.
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I’m 100% against trading up as well. Not drafting in the top two rounds drives me nuts! It’s killing this team in my opinion. I couldn’t care less how much the Raiders pay players. But giving up high draft choices for the Carson Palmers of the world will fk your team up big time!
December 25th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
#633…
Yep, there’ll be GMs/HCs who like Barkley. Look at him as being pro-ready who can fit right in. And in the right system could hit the ground running.
Look at all the teams out there looking for a franchise QB. And their draft spot.
Who do you think Barkley will go to? I think Jets would be keen.
I think Cardinals will be a team who could be interested in trading for Palmer. They’ve had recent success with a very good vet qb taking them to the SB. They have a very good defense. They could still get to the playoffs if they just got a still good vet QB. They’d look at Palmer, imo, as a viable option.
Palmer + McFadden to the Cardinals for their 1st + 2nd or a player of theirs (peterson dont think theyd give) maybe someone else.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
#643…yeah i agree.
There are others here who preach this, im one of them too….my whole football ideology is building up the lines (OL + front 7).
Imo, the most important positions for us in the draft, FA acquisitions/trades, and UDFA, is in no order….
Center, LT, RT, NT (+ switch to 3-4), OLB/DE (3-4), and ILB.
DBs, WRs, RBs, TEs, can be had in FA acquisitions or trades.
For instance: Dwayne Bowe, Greg Jennings, Pierre Thomas, etc.
December 25th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
As a quarterback at Sacramento State University, Knapp enjoyed a distinguished career where he ranked among the Hornets’ career leaders with more than 3,800 passing yards and 32 touchdown passes. He went to training camps with the Kansas City Chiefs in 1986, Los Angeles Raiders in 1987-1990 and the 49ers in 1992-1994, but never made an NFL team as a player. Prior to joining the 49ers as a coach, Knapp spent nine years on the coaching staff of Sacramento State University, serving as running backs coach from 1986–1989, receivers coach from 1989–1990 and offensive coordinator/assistant head coach from 1991-1994.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
As we all know and some have duly noted….
Having a distinguished career as a player, or, being a positional coach or assistant coach or co-ordinator at organizations surrounded by great coaches that you can learn from etc….is no guarantee or signal that one will translate into a good or bad coach in your own right, when you’re the HC/Co-Ord.
Look at all the coaches who’ve come thru under Belichick. Or all those who’ve come thru under Bill Walsh, or one of his proteges. You have to judge coaches based on how they’ve done in their own right as a HC or Co-Ord (how that unit has done under them).
December 25th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Keep on talking up the Chiefs new QB Geno Smith. While you’re at it go buy a Chiefs jersey.
You’ll have to look for another black QB cuz that’s the only one all you idiots will be happy with anyways.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Ok Pryor is a so-called ‘trick play QB’ because these inept coaching clowns SIMPLY REFUSE to give him a chance even when:
a) the season is (long gone) and’
b) your ‘2nd stringer’ ILLUSTRATES (over and over) that he has little value and truly is the definition of dumpster fire. Leinart has NO future here or anywhere else for that matter. Yet T1T5 and co play him.
PLAY THE FRIGGIN KID ALREADY.
Anyone with a sane brain realizes that (sans wild conspiracy theories) there is NO (logic-driven) downside to playing Pryor game on Sunday.
If he sucks beyond belief, there you made your point and you can say “i told you so’ (ala Tui in Detroit).
If however he is a lot better than most of these blog Debbie Downers would have you believe, you may have some genuine hope going into 2013 (not to mention cap and draft options to play with).
That all said, it WON’T happen. For 95% of the plays we get to see Leinart.
T1T5 best be careful though. Putting in the Lefty Linguini (patent pending) could get D0A in REAL jeopardy in the form of a MASSIVE turnover filled blowout in SD.
Does he REALLY want to piss off Davis JUST as the season ends with Gruden (potentially) available?
Hey man, if playing Leinert indirectly gets us a D0A and Co canning (and even a shot at Gruden) I say START MATT And leave him in ALL GAME LONG!
December 25th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Debo, They can say what they want I’ve watched the kid play enough and his mobility is better than most starters in this league. On top of that i he has a gun for an arm and accuracy to boot.
Let them hate all they want, ask them about Barkleys mobility………..lol
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The same people who hated on RG3 and Newton before. I’m convinced it has more to do with anti-Mistic sentiment than it being a real football takes. What a joke!
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Yeah, all you brothers gotta stick together first and foremost right? Even if you completely agree,
December 25th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
* DON’T completely agree.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Start Pryor. Why not.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Why ask why? Drink Bud Dry.
Seriously though, I agree. By all accounts, Pryor should start.
He won’t, but he should.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
OK just finished the Geno Smith videos:
He looks mobile enough and very poised in the pocket. Looks like he doesn’t get rattled and is very decisive with the ball. Now I remember the game he had against LSU and he passed for over 400 yards and they still got blown out. Sounds like Palmer’s stats.
He did not take snaps under center but that can be taught in the pros. Knapp would ruin the kid. Don’t see how he is an upgrade over Palmer next year.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Geno Smith vs LSU:
Top Performers
Passing: G. Smith (WVU) – 463 YDS, 2 TD, 2 INT
Rushing: M. Ford (LSU) – 12 CAR, 82 YDS, 2 TD
Receiving: T. Austin (WVU) – 11 REC, 187 YDS
December 25th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
RaiderCrunch Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Start Pryor. Why not.
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Becuz it makes too much sense.
BTW: Happy Holidays Raider fans…and fakers.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Sunday Blitz: Cardinals running back Beanie Wells expects to play for another team next season and will use Sunday’s finale to “audition for a job somewhere else,” he said Monday.
“That’s my mindset,” Wells said, according to the Arizona Republic. “I’m just going to go out there and put my best foot forward for all the 31 other teams that’s watching.”
The Cardinals benched Wells after the Bears returned his fumble for a touchdown Sunday in Arizona’s 28-13 loss to Chicago.
Wells is under contract for next season, but when asked whether he thought his days in Arizona were numbered, he said: “Oh, without a doubt. It’s inevitable.”
Wells missed seven games with knee and toe injuries this season but scored three touchdowns against Detroit in Week 15.
December 25th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Not a bad evaluation and ranking of the draft big board as it evolved by early december….
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1422730-tavon-austin-moves-onto-december-big-board-for-2013-nfl-draft
December 25th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
My Christmas wish list:
Pryor starts,
DA swaps the visor for a black Raiders watch cap, gets treatment for gynecomastia, and stops using the word “unacceptable,”
Mark Davis, his head shaved and his face painted Silver and Black, stares at his GM and coaches for over an hour in a private meeting without saying a word,
And, after this season is over,
Knapp skulks away to start a delightful new bed and breakfast in Sonoma.
December 25th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Not a bad evaluation and ranking of the draft big board as it evolved by early december….
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Not a bad group, I would be satisfied with pretty much most of the top ten, they all look like good linemen. Just as long as we do not Draft another DHB 6th overall.
Every time I think about that year, I remember that we could have had Rey Maualuga in the 1st round, and still probably could have gotten DHB in the 2nd round…
Damn the 1st round drafting since Charles Woodson!
December 25th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
#660…
Al f’d up investing far too much time in early round sexy players the last decade.
Al f’d up because he neglected the OL/DL as a foundation to CONSTANTLY keep upgrading every draft.
Instead, he constantly kept trying to upgrade the WR and DB depth charts.
Al is a football genius etc, but he and any GM who neglects more focus on the lines will face more struggles building a competitive team.
Sexy players are good peppered in here and there when you have a strong foundation.
You dont build outside in, that’s a recipe for disaster.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
OK just finished the Geno Smith videos:
He looks mobile enough and very poised in the pocket. Looks like he doesn’t get rattled and is very decisive with the ball. Now I remember the game he had against LSU and he passed for over 400 yards and they still got blown out. Sounds like Palmer’s stats.
He did not take snaps under center but that can be taught in the pros. Knapp would ruin the kid. Don’t see how he is an upgrade over Palmer next year.
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well, he wouldn’t start next season. maybe not the next either. that’s why it makes so much sense, and why i advocate it. it fits our situation perfectly.
we trade down and accumulate picks.
we draft our qb of the future, who grooms under our veteran who still has a couple more good years in him.
it’s basically the situation we would have with pryor but he’s a rookie next season instead of in his third year, and geno is a far better passer.
plus, we could strike gold and get our stud receiver by converting pryor. it’s what i would do if i were running things.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
btw, i would NOT try to convert pryor to TE. he’s not a blocker. he’s a skill player. his tremendous size/speed combo would put him in the company of megatron.
he was fine as a college qb. but this is the nfl, and his passing skills are lacking. but he would seem a natural fit at wr.
and no, i’m not a racist who thinks all black qb’s need to be wr/db’s. just this one and some others.
i advocate drafting geno smith.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
basically, if it wasn’t for pryor’s speed, he wouldn’t be in the nfl. not as qb and not as anything else. because he’s so big and such great size, and because he happened to play qb in college, people get excited. but i have to say i doubt very much he could ever hack it as a qb, no matter how many years he put in trying. why not go get a real qb to develop and get pryor going on his hall-of-fame wr career instead of wasting 3 more pointless years of his prime, only to realize what most people realize now: he’s not an nfl qb.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
in other words, why spend a LOT of time trying to make a silk purse out of a pig’s ear, when it would be so much easier to make him a wr?
and spend ur qb-development time on a guy with true qb skills, like geno smith.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
You’re making big assumptions that Pryor would even make a good receiver. Purely based on his H-W-S. He doesn’t have any experience as a pure receiver. You don’t know he well he can run routes, how crisp or sloppy they are, how good his tracking of the ball and hands are, etc.
Let alone your statement that converting to him WR puts him on the road to being a hall-of-famer.
Pryor is a QB. He’s spent at least 5 years developing in that role. There’s no guarantee even he can convert well to a receiver. So after investing so much time already as a QB (college/pros), to attempt a conversion now would in fact take another 2-3 years, waste of the 2 years the Raiders specifically have spent developing him as a QB.
If the Raiders felt he couldn’t develop as a QB they wouldn’t have invested this whole year especially on him as a QB, grooming him to compete and challenge for a back-up and then starter role.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
I so look forward to seeing Pryor being used more extensively as a QB, under center, shotgun, and him performing encouragingly well, just to read all the comments from the anti-pryor brigade here.
Thing is, those who like him, like me, just want to see him in a proper evaluation setting, extended, and also grant him 2013 camp and further action to see if he can truly develop or not. No one is certifying him as being a great QB etc.
But the anti-pryor people are transparent because you already have a set formed biased assessment of him as a QB (or as a WR), not giving any opportunity for yourselves (let alone Pryor) to objectively assess him without prejudice.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
his skill set allows him a much better shot at wr. it would make him a great qb too, if he could throw the ball. but he can’t. as a wr, he may indeed not make it, but he works hard, has an understanding of the passing game, and could be like jimmy graham in his rapid development. it’s a LOT easier to play wr than qb. in college, a lot of gys are good qb’s, including pryor, but being big, strong, and fast don’t amount to much in the nfl if u can’t make great throws, with great accuracy and timing, and read the field and make very quick decisions. it’s why so many great college qb’s with better passing ability than pryor have washed out so quickly at this level.
think of it. big, strong, fast. sounds like a wr.
big, strong. fast, and a great passer. that sounds like griffin and especially newton, but it does NOT sound like pryor.
u guys want to see him. ok. fine. i hope we do. and i hope i’m wrong. but i’m not.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Draft Wish List:
Round 1: Impact Player (D Moore, Star, Teo, Werner)
Round 3: Best QB on Reggie’s Board
Round 4: Best QB on Reggie’s Board
Round 6: Best Player Available
Round 7: Best Player Available
Round 7: Best Player Available
December 25th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
A team will reach for Geno Smith but that doesn’t mean he is a top 5 prospect.
It’s not about color/ race.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Pryor getting a fair shake Ship has sailed. That Idiot Knapp will not do it. Leinart plays this whole game with Pryor getting a couple gimmick plays.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Raider O Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
A team will reach for Geno Smith but that doesn’t mean he is a top 5 prospect.
It’s not about color/ race.
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i wouldn’t take with him with our current pick. i would trade down into the middle of the first and get him, while getting a 2nd rounder in the trade too. then i would spend that pick on a pass rusher or cb. maybe an LB.
geno is good. he has fallen a bit but that makes him good value.
there will be some teams looking to draft a qb. they may or may not reach for geno or any high riser. barkely is falling into the 2nd but i don’t like what i’ve seen. seems a lot like leinart. weak arm.
December 25th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
or just take manti teo and be happy. but that means no pick until the 3rd, and since ALL draft picks are a risk, and we desperately need more talent, i think accumulating picks is the way to go. unless ur rock solid that a guy will be a great player at the top of the draft. then u have to take him and reap the benefits for ten years.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
1- DT Star Lotulelie
3- CB Leon McFadden or Desmond Trufant
4- DE Brandon Jenkins
December 25th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
#668
dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
his skill set allows him a much better shot at wr.
— you mean like Ramses Barden? Why didn’t he become a HOFer? HWS doesnt mean anything in itself. Steve Smith is 5′9, Russell Wilson is 5′10, Mallett is 6′8, not to mention the billions of perfect HWS specimen WRs (6′2 210lbs 4.4 to 4.5 speed) that have not made it whatsoever either thru the draft or UDFA.
it would make him a great qb too, if he could throw the ball. but he can’t.
— see, there’s that prejudiced certified statement. he CAN’T!
as a wr, he may indeed not make it, but he works hard, has an understanding of the passing game,
— he’s already working hard….as a QB, and isnt far off from being ready.
and could be like jimmy graham in his rapid development.
— so now he COULD? So you have no visual etc evidence at all that Pryor makes for a good receiver, but are adamant he CANT throw and that he would make a HOF receiver, but also tempered now unsure (he COULD).
big, strong. fast, and a great passer. that sounds like griffin and especially newton, but it does NOT sound like pryor.
— so now it doesn’t SOUND like pryor? he was the most recruited QB out of High School, and regardless of the variances in statistics and vs opposition, he proved to be on an fairly equal level with Newton and Griffin. The play is there on film.
and i hope i’m wrong. but i’m not.
— there’s that prejudiced certified statement again. You’re not wrong whatsoever, and there’s no chance even of there being room for you to be wrong. You havent even seen the guy play pro football yet in any proper amount of drives/qtrs/games to make such a certified judgment.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
GG Says:
“…just to read all the comments from the anti-pryor brigade here.”
“But the anti-pryor people are transparent because you already have a set formed biased assessment of him as a QB…”
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Anti-Pryor might be a little strong although there certainly are some who don’t think he’ll make it as a QB. Gruden2013, Sey Bush and 3 or 4 others come to mind. I think there is a blurring happening between those that feel that way and the many who think Miss Tick is an idiot. I think Miss Tick is an idiot and I have no idea what Pryor is or will develop into. In other words, there is relatively small contingent of “anti-Pryor” posters and a relatively large group in the Miss Tick is an idiot camp. And Miss Tick’s continued idiocy serves to fuel this blurring as is his intention.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Did I convey that I think Miss Tick is an idiot adequately?
December 25th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Actually, Miss Tick may not be an idiot. He may be clever tricknologist with hidden agendas. If, however, he truly believes 90 percent of what he says, well then, he’s an idiot.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
671.dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Raider O Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
A team will reach for Geno Smith but that doesn’t mean he is a top 5 prospect.
It’s not about color/ race.
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i wouldn’t take with him with our current pick. i would trade down into the middle of the first and get him, while getting a 2nd rounder in the trade too. then i would spend that pick on a pass rusher or cb. maybe an LB.
geno is good. he has fallen a bit but that makes him good value.
there will be some teams looking to draft a qb. they may or may not reach for geno or any high riser. barkely is falling into the 2nd but i don’t like what i’ve seen. seems a lot like leinart. weak arm.
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That is the only situation I would hope to get Geno Smith. A trade down situation. I would even do a trade down and get Best available in mid to late 1st and nab Aaron Murray with the second rounder from Trade.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Btw, you do realize Kaepernick was still very much a project QB. He put up dazzling numbers in college. But he had plenty of flaws too. Mechanics, ability to read the field, go thru progressions etc. Kaepernick had even less exposure to the pro-style. Pryor did play a lot from under center at OSU, including things we see Knapp run here…playaction rollouts and three-step quick hits, as well as longer developing plays going thru progressions.
Harbaugh is a very good QB teacher. He knows how to develop them. Track record is there. He understood too to get Colin involved here and there thru the season. Easing him in.
The Raiders have been negligent in that regard. He’s only just started last few weeks to learn how to dress, and handle a few plays. Even if Pryor required more fundamental mechanics adjustment, or more polish, than Kaepernick, it doesnt mean Pryor sucks. Some take a little longer than others. Some hit their ceiling sooner.
Kaepernick did great when starting, but as more and more DCs break him down, especially over playoffs, more stuff on film for them to see of Kaepernick, he will come down a bit too.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
I’m watching this Panthers game again and I don’t know about many on here who don’t agree with this but:
Tommy Kelly is a keeper for next year.
We could use another thumper next to him and a rush guy off the edge for 3rd down. Shaughnesey got to go. Seymour too of course.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Pryor looks like a superstar. The coaches know he will be a MVP of the league in the next 3 years. Only qb’s in this league that could do what he’s done is RGIII, Wilson, and Vick.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
#676
to clarify. What i mean by “anti-pryor” is those who have already determined he sucks, he “cant” throw, he “will” make a good WR, etc. All those kind of final certain statements. Same goes for those who already declare Pryor a great QB, or “will” become one etc.
No one should be certifying anything.
You cannot judge any player until you’ve seen them play 2-3 years. But even in this regard, have to give pryor a consistency and regularity of snaps over a few games to properly judge him.
So many judgments already being made over 1 pass to Palmer. Then he’s off again for 500 snaps, throws another pass.
Instead, look at it like the pre-season, that first game to the last game, there was good progress, rust come off, gets into the momentum/feel of the game, works on issues from the previous week to get better at them (like time wasted in the huddle setting up).
Pryor made a number of excellent accurate throws in those pre-season games. There was an occasional wobbly pass. But there was enough seen there to say, “he actually CAN play QB, just needs more time”
Nothing seen there that said he outright sucks, so bad and retarded, like some of you with your final certain prejudiced statements are prone to making.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
681.KoolKell Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Pryor looks like a superstar. The coaches know he will be a MVP of the league in the next 3 years. Only qb’s in this league that could do what he’s done is RGIII, Wilson, and Vick.
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I just changed the diaper of my 1 year old. Reading stuff like this requires just as many wet wipes.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
#668
dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
his skill set allows him a much better shot at wr.
— you mean like Ramses Barden? Why didn’t he become a HOFer? HWS doesnt mean anything in itself. Steve Smith is 5′9, Russell Wilson is 5′10, Mallett is 6′8, not to mention the billions of perfect HWS specimen WRs (6′2 210lbs 4.4 to 4.5 speed) that have not made it whatsoever either thru the draft or UDFA.
it would make him a great qb too, if he could throw the ball. but he can’t.
— see, there’s that prejudiced certified statement. he CAN’T!
as a wr, he may indeed not make it, but he works hard, has an understanding of the passing game,
— he’s already working hard….as a QB, and isnt far off from being ready.
and could be like jimmy graham in his rapid development.
— so now he COULD? So you have no visual etc evidence at all that Pryor makes for a good receiver, but are adamant he CANT throw and that he would make a HOF receiver, but also tempered now unsure (he COULD).
big, strong. fast, and a great passer. that sounds like griffin and especially newton, but it does NOT sound like pryor.
— so now it doesn’t SOUND like pryor? he was the most recruited QB out of High School, and regardless of the variances in statistics and vs opposition, he proved to be on an fairly equal level with Newton and Griffin. The play is there on film.
and i hope i’m wrong. but i’m not.
— there’s that prejudiced certified statement again. You’re not wrong whatsoever, and there’s no chance even of there being room for you to be wrong. You havent even seen the guy play pro football yet in any proper amount of drives/qtrs/games to make such a certified judgment.
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it’s not prejudiced at all. that would mean i’ve “pre-judged” him. i haven’t. i’ve seen his college play. i’ve seen his limited but informative pro play. the kid is not a good passer. sorry.
i didn’t say he was an automatic great wr. i said he could be. he has a far better chance at that than at qb. HE CAN’T THROW THE FU@KING BALL!
December 25th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
You cannot judge any player until you’ve seen them play 2-3 years. But even in this regard, have to give pryor a consistency and regularity of snaps over a few games to properly judge him.
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well, sorry to tell u but they have judged a TON of qb’s in far less time. u simply can’t give every qb 3 years to play before judging him. it would require approximately 504 nfl teams. they decide who they think has the best chance and then thru many scenarios, guys play themselves into or out of the league.
pryor can’t pass the ball well enuff in the nfl. sorry kid. i know what i know, based on years fo football knowledge. it’s not debatable. it’s my opinion and i’ve seen no evidence of the contrary.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
I’m watching this Panthers game again and I don’t know about many on here who don’t agree with this but:
Tommy Kelly is a keeper for next year.
We could use another thumper next to him and a rush guy off the edge for 3rd down. Shaughnesey got to go. Seymour too of course.
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i’ve long supported kelly. he’s good. seymour, branch, and carlisle (until this year) also are good players who have taken a lot of heat here.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Leinart in the Redzone looks like point shaving to me.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
reggie and DA have said they think our D-line is stout and that it’s actually poor coverage by the cb’s that is the problem. i’m not sure i agree 100%, because i don’t see a great edge rusher (although carter was one and is showing signs of getting healthy). but i do think they development of adams and to some extent, ross, has helped our recent better play on defense and getting to the qb much more.
the cb position was a major problem this year, with injuries, and young, inexperienced guys getting funneled thru. bartell, spencer, lee all washed out.
but adams, ross, and hanson have played well. huff has played ok but not great.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Leinart in the Redzone looks like point shaving to me.
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LOL. he was awful. i never really watched him enuff with arizona to know how bad he is.
we are in for a very poor offensive showing this week. pryor really should get a lot of time. but i suspect it won’t be pretty to watch with either one.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
You sound like Greg Knapp, Dr_robert, in how you think your judgment is greatest because you coached and/or played some.
You do realize many of us have also coached and/or played. And that there are people who have coached/played who both agree but also disagree with each other on various topics of players…be it pryor, branch, kelly, seymour, mcfadden, etc.
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dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
it’s not prejudiced at all. that would mean i’ve “pre-judged” him. i haven’t. i’ve seen his college play. i’ve seen his limited but informative pro play. the kid is not a good passer. sorry.
—- of course youve pre-judged him. You havent seen him in the pros enough to properly quantify a judgment on the merits of his PRO-FOOTBALL ability. Going off college is pre-judging *facepalm*
That’s like saying Jamarcus Russell would make a great pro-QB based on his college ability. You do realize how many good college players didnt translate well to the pros, and how many who didnt seem that good in college turned out to be greats in the pros. Appreciating THAT phenomenon should mean you learn to be more circumspect with your PRE-JUDGMENTS.
i didn’t say he was an automatic great wr. i said he could be. he has a far better chance at that than at qb. HE CAN’T THROW THE FU@KING BALL!
—- that paragraph highlights perfectly just how PRE-JUDICED you are.
December 25th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Allow me to provide a glimpse into Mistics narcissistic, delusional little world. He slinks in here on Christmas afternoon and makes his second post since Sundays game ended. No one challenges his idiocy for a whole 40 minutes and he declares his foes vanquished. On CHRISTMAS AFTERNOON!! Meanwhile, there have been 2,106 comments since the end of Sunday’s game with most, if not all of his detractors in the mix. Nobody hides from Mistic and he ‘wins’ his arguments in his own little world.
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
What’s funny is that so many people that trashed me & priest and debo are. O where to be found lately.
They must be afraid of showing themselves becuase of their ridiculous predictions.
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December 25th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
He threw the ball just fine in fact it was much better than Leinart. He made plays in and out of the pocket. Most objective people want to see more of the kid baswed on what they saw in preseason. Some think he played very well like myself. So if we say he can and others say he can’t pass. Who’s right?
Maybe we should allow the coaches who I think have held him back decide. They have already spoken tho, they think he can pass and are thinking of starting him.
Those who say he can’t pass, you’ve been outvoted………….sorry!
December 25th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
as we all know, reggie has taken a lot of heat here.
but he has done some good things:
streater and criner
goodson
bilukidi and carter
wheeler and burris
adams, ross, and hanson
December 25th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Yet Leinart can pass but, nnot Pryor.
Some people are soo freakin transparent……….lol
December 25th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
You sound like Greg Knapp, Dr_robert, in how you think your judgment is greatest because you coached and/or played some.
You do realize many of us have also coached and/or played. And that there are people who have coached/played who both agree but also disagree with each other on various topics of players…be it pryor, branch, kelly, seymour, mcfadden, etc.
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dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
it’s not prejudiced at all. that would mean i’ve “pre-judged” him. i haven’t. i’ve seen his college play. i’ve seen his limited but informative pro play. the kid is not a good passer. sorry.
—- of course youve pre-judged him. You havent seen him in the pros enough to properly quantify a judgment on the merits of his PRO-FOOTBALL ability. Going off college is pre-judging *facepalm*
That’s like saying Jamarcus Russell would make a great pro-QB based on his college ability. You do realize how many good college players didnt translate well to the pros, and how many who didnt seem that good in college turned out to be greats in the pros. Appreciating THAT phenomenon should mean you learn to be more circumspect with your PRE-JUDGMENTS.
i didn’t say he was an automatic great wr. i said he could be. he has a far better chance at that than at qb. HE CAN’T THROW THE FU@KING BALL!
—- that paragraph highlights perfectly just how PRE-JUDICED you are.
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it’s my opinion based on what i’ve seen. ur entitled to disagree. but i’m right.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Allow me to provide a glimpse into Mistics narcissistic, delusional little world. He slinks in here on Christmas afternoon and makes his second post since Sundays game ended. No one challenges his idiocy for a whole 40 minutes and he declares his foes vanquished. On CHRISTMAS AFTERNOON!! Meanwhile, there have been 2,106 comments since the end of Sunday’s game with most, if not all of his detractors in the mix. Nobody hides from Mistic and he ‘wins’ his arguments in his own little world.
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
What’s funny is that so many people that trashed me & priest and debo are. O where to be found lately.
They must be afraid of showing themselves becuase of their ridiculous predictions.
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Dude you are way too obsessed with Mistic1……….if you think he’s so stupid why bother?
December 25th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
He threw the ball just fine in fact it was much better than Leinart. He made plays in and out of the pocket. Most objective people want to see more of the kid baswed on what they saw in preseason. Some think he played very well like myself. So if we say he can and others say he can’t pass. Who’s right?
Maybe we should allow the coaches who I think have held him back decide. They have already spoken tho, they think he can pass and are thinking of starting him.
Those who say he can’t pass, you’ve been outvoted………….sorry!
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he hasn’t played much at all. i wouldn’t say the staff have shown very much confidence at all. saying so is delusional and/or a straight lie.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
GG, the dude is a bigot plain and simple. He hates Pryor because he’s a threat to Palmer and they can’t handle that they want him to stay in his place and catch passes rather than throw them. So they come up with circular reasoning based on what? nothing at all but hatred.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Yet Leinart can pass but, nnot Pryor.
Some people are soo freakin transparent……….lol
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who supported leinart. wasn’t me. i said he sucked. no arm strength. poor reads and decisions. skitterish in the pocket. he’ll be outta the league in a week, based on that performance.
but pryor, while having more arm strength, lacks severely in accuracy. he has a weird throwing motion where he turns his body to the receiver before throwing it, like it’s a dart. it causes him to throw a lot of dirtballs. a good throwing motion is mostly natural. it can tweaked but mostly, u have it or u don’t. he doesn’t.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
I’ve been watching football for over 60 years, and I know the goods when I see them.
Jamarcus Russell was the goods. The team didn’t develop him. He should be leading us to the playoffs instead of out of football. Pryor is the same. We are holding him back from greatness.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
GG, the dude is a bigot plain and simple. He hates Pryor because he’s a threat to Palmer and they can’t handle that they want him to stay in his place and catch passes rather than throw them. So they come up with circular reasoning based on what? nothing at all but hatred.
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are u talking about me u lying coward?
i’ve said many times i’m rooting for him. i like him. seems like a good kid. i just don’t think he’s gonna be a qb in the nfl.
i have advocated drafting geno smith.
i think very highly of newton’s skills but he shows a lot of brattiness.
griffin is fantastic.
i like freeman and wilson a lot. kaepernick too.
calling me a bgiot is not only a lie, it’s obscne and it shows what a race-card-playing piece of sh!t u are. it’s a joke. anyone who knows me knows how much i love black people and culture. i’ve been called a n!gger lover many times in my life.
not thinking pryor will be a good nfl qb is not the same thing as being racist, u fu@king moron.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Haters will be surprised Sunday. Pryor knows this is his chance to step up and shine. Pryor does not need three years. He just needs time behind center. At the end of the game on Sunday, the discussion on the qb of the future will be decided, once and for all.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Chip Kelly interested in Eagles and Panthers HC jobs, per rumors.
Gruden to Oakland might still be possible.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
He hates Pryor because he’s a threat to Palmer and they can’t handle that they want him to stay in his place and catch passes rather than throw them.
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ur a joke.
he’s not remotely a threat to palmer.
stay in his place? using racist cliches to cast me as a racist? ur a fu@king liar. pure and simple. name one thing i’ve said ever to support that.
coward.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
priest–ur posts have shown repeatedly that u don’t know what ur talking about. ur player evaluations are very poor.
and missdick is insane. he even said he would take pryor over newton, which is so stupid, it’s beyond words.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
You are the coward……lil bigot
December 25th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
missdick and priest are the kind of guys who have apparently been conditioned to cry racism any time they don’t get their way. if they get fired for being late all the time, they cry racism. even when they forget it was the same boss that hired them in the first place. if they don’t get a job, they cry racism, even thought they may not have the resume or didn’t interview well. even if there are other blacks working there. it’s just nonsense and they don’t even realize they are keeping themselves down by always having a built-in excuse for failure. let it go guys. o-bama is the two-term prez. u have a great shot to do something if u just get after it and quit crying.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
it’s my opinion based on what i’ve seen. ur entitled to disagree.
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– Thank-you, finally to admit yours is JUST an opinion like anyone else. Regardless whether an opinion comes from a person with little coaching/playing experience, or whether an opinion comes from a person with a lot of coaching/playing experience….people often agree and disagree with each other.
People with no experience agreeing with people with experience, people with experience agreeing with people with experience, people with no experience agreeing with people with no experience.
We might disagree on Pryor, but we might agree on Kelly. While you and someone else who agree on Pryor disagree with each other on Kelly. Etc.
As long as you realize that no one is right or knows for sure yet. We all will use college to assess, and we will also use pros to re-assess too. But no one can know for sure yet.
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but i’m right.
– lol oops you did it again
December 25th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
#385 some if not most of those same idiots said Brady couldn’t play, or that Gannon was a reciever not a QB.
GM’s are wrong all the time. The league is loaded with late draft choices and undrafted starters. Some of whom are now all stars, who the old out of touch good ole boys thought couldn’t play.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
You are the coward……lil bigot
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LOL. that’s all u can say? name one thing i’ve said that demonstrates i’m a coward or a bigot? besides not thinking pryor is an nfl-caliber qb. it’s my opinion. do i like him? yes. do i like other black qb’s? yes. i have killed u in here and u hide behind blanket racism accusations with no merit. ur a discredit to black people, cuz u embarrass them with ur bulsh!t.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 24th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
I’ll be shocked if TP starts.
Listen fellas, you’ve got to remember who we’re dealing with here.
We’re not dealing with an imaginative, flexible staff.
They’ve proven time and time again that ‘the system’ is of utmost importance to them and that they will continuously try to change players to fit the system rather than make adaptations to the system.
Tits has said TP isn’t ready to be the backup in his (actually Krapp’s) system.
You’ve got to remember that this is a staff that was too stubborn to even activate TP until week 12.
Strict adherence to the system was more important than installing a few packages and giving TP a taste or giving opposing defenses something else to prepare for.
This is a staff that probably sees TP struggling in limited practices to drop back, make a read and consistently throw accurately.
They do not, and probably will never, understand that at this stage TP’s greatest strength would be the ability to improvise, extend plays, and make plays with his legs.
Even if they’re aware of this, it doesn’t fit the system and it’s not something they’re going to be comfortable with.
Doesn’t matter that it’s week 17 in a lost season or that it’s vital that TP be given some run even if it’s just to find out or try to make a projection as to what he ultimately might become.
Sticking with the system is more important than player development, evaluating players or forming a coherent, coordinated draft strategy based on seeing what a player like TP could do if given an opportunity.
Nope, TP isn’t starting.
The only way that happens is if Mark or Reggie gives the order to make it happen.
I suspect that’s what had to happen to even get TP activated.
Got to remember who you’re dealing with.
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yes, you’re dealing with a young, rationale staff that has good football IQ. They are proving that they can make sane talent evaluations and play the guys that are earning it by excelling in practice.
The same staff that saw the McClain wasn’t the answer and had the balls to move forward on virtually slamming the door on the 1st round draft pick of only a few years ago.
The same staff that realized that Bartell isn’t the same player from before his neck injury and had the balls to tell their GM his FA signing needed to go.
The same staff has managed to create a 4000 yard passing season for Palmer despite a merry go around of average WRs.
So as they continue to prove themselves, they don’t automatically give unearned playing time to a scholarship player on the roster just because Al got a woodie for his speed and made him his least, vast overreaching draft pick.
That’s a staff I can totally support, because prudence is what it takes to win in the NFL.
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Trying to defend DA, Knapp and the rest of this garbage stubborn stupid coaching staff??
CP throwing for 4k yards proves that Knapp is a good OC??
Most of CP’s yards were in GARBAGE time when the team was getting blown out.
Knapp destroyed the solid running game that was here under Hue the last two years.
If DA and Knapp stay….expect most of the home games next year to be blacked out.
If DA stays, then he needs to get rid of Knapp and Hoffman for sure. Maybe Tarver if he can get Ed Donatell or Ray Horton as DC.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Chip Kelly interested in Eagles and Panthers HC jobs, per rumors.
Gruden to Oakland might still be possible.
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Link or source?
December 25th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
All I know is that TP needs to start and be given a shot in Sunday.
If he doesn’t get the shot, then Davis and McK need to fire DA and Knapp and the whole staff and give Gruden what he wants to come back to the Silver and Black and turn this team around within two years.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Derek Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
#385 some if not most of those same idiots said Brady couldn’t play, or that Gannon was a reciever not a QB.
GM’s are wrong all the time. The league is loaded with late draft choices and undrafted starters. Some of whom are now all stars, who the old out of touch good ole boys thought couldn’t play.
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and there are a ton of examples where they got it right.
have there been black qb’s who were not given a chance cuz of racism among gm’s in footbal history? of course and it was shameful.
lots of college coaches blindly assumed black kids couldn’t play the position and never gave them a shot.
but we don’t live in those times anymore. every coach these days is dying to get a griffin or newton. ‘
but i’m sorry to tell u those combos of athlete/passer are very rare. it’s the passing part that is so hard. for blacks, whites, whatever. the job ain’t easy. from what i’ve seen of nfl qb’s, pryor just doesn’t have it. sorry.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Day after Christmas and the gloves are off in this blog
funny stuff.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
All I know is that TP needs to start and be given a shot in Sunday.
If he doesn’t get the shot, then Davis and McK need to fire DA and Knapp and the whole staff and give Gruden what he wants to come back to the Silver and Black and turn this team around within two years.
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i hope he does, so we will know one way or the other. if he looks great, i will gladly say i was wrong. i’m HOPING i’m wrong.
but if u think davis and reggie are somehow in love with pryor but DA and knapp are going against them, i doubt it. i don’t think anyone with the raiders thinks pryor is the answer.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
priest–where are u? i’m the coward/ but ur running.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
U just aint worth it fool….
U can be king of this blog 4 all I care.
You’re a ignorant biased bigot who’s stuck on himself. I bet you even make love to yourself……….anyway I got better things to do so put your hand back on yourself and have fun. bye!
December 25th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
All I know is that TP needs to start and be given a shot in Sunday.
If he doesn’t get the shot, then Davis and McK need to fire DA and Knapp and the whole staff and give Gruden what he wants to come back to the Silver and Black and turn this team around within two years.
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i hope he does, so we will know one way or the other. if he looks great, i will gladly say i was wrong. i’m HOPING i’m wrong.
but if u think davis and reggie are somehow in love with pryor but DA and knapp are going against them, i doubt it. i don’t think anyone with the raiders thinks pryor is the answer.
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Hang on. A minute ago you said you were RIGHT, and there was no way you were wrong.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Day after Christmas and the gloves are off in this blog funny stuff.
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well, i’m never looking for a fight. i give my opinion. i don’t like racists or trolls. feel free to disagree with me. i respect u. but i’m gonna tell u how i feel about things. u won’t find me calling anyone an idiot for simply thinking pryor is gonna be awesome. i think they’re wrong, but that’s ok. let them think what they want.
i will call racists and trolls idiots though. coming on here and saying everyone who thinks pryor has sub-par qb skills is a racist is moronic. iy’s making assumptions that anyone who thinks a black qb should play wr is somehow anti-black. not true. i think lots of black qb’s are good qb’s. just not pryor. or some others. if they can pass the ball well, then they’re a qb. period. if they can’t then they are either another position if they happen to have the skills, or outta the league.
missdick and priest’s obsession with saying people are racist is nonsense. i’m sure it’s true for some, but when u come on here and support so mant blacks, it’s obscene to be called racist when there is so much evidence to the contrary.
that’s when they lose all credibility and make themselves into jackazzes.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
U just aint worth it fool….
U can be king of this blog 4 all I care.
You’re a ignorant biased bigot who’s stuck on himself. I bet you even make love to yourself……….anyway I got better things to do so put your hand back on yourself and have fun. bye!
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LOL. liar. coward. joke.
still no evidence of my bigotry? ur disgusting. u embarrass good black people that have suffered so much. and have the intelligence to know when someone is a bigot and when someone simply differs in opinion. ur a joke. u should be ashamed of urself.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
All I know is that TP needs to start and be given a shot in Sunday.
If he doesn’t get the shot, then Davis and McK need to fire DA and Knapp and the whole staff and give Gruden what he wants to come back to the Silver and Black and turn this team around within two years.
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i hope he does, so we will know one way or the other. if he looks great, i will gladly say i was wrong. i’m HOPING i’m wrong.
but if u think davis and reggie are somehow in love with pryor but DA and knapp are going against them, i doubt it. i don’t think anyone with the raiders thinks pryor is the answer.
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Hang on. A minute ago you said you were RIGHT, and there was no way you were wrong.
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i am right. of course, there’s a tiny little chance i could be wrong. it would be like one of those people who comes outta the crowd and hits a half-court shot to win a million dollars. lol. i joke around about being infallible. i assume people get it.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Dr Robert. I dont think you’re racist. Based on what I’ve read of your comments about various players I dont think you are.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
in my time as a football coach, i have coached with several black guys. we often would differ in opinions. they didn’t storm off claiming racism cuz i didn’t agree with them. why? cuz they weren’t idiotic enuff to know that i brought them in as a coach but somehow i was racist for not agreeing with them. and i was usually right too!
December 25th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
I do look forward tho to seeing Pryor getting extended action and doing enough to validate encouragment in his ability/potential as our QB, and the opportunity to read you posting how you were wrong
December 25th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Id take bakerious mingo or jarvis jones over teo, I like larry grant as a free agent signing more than I like teo.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Off-topic for a minute, Dr Robert, could you tell me who you’re favorite all-time and current Raiders are?
December 25th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Dr Robert. I dont think you’re racist. Based on what I’ve read of your comments about various players I dont think you are.
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well there u go. i actually detest racism. as a Christian, i think it’s wrong. also, it’s arbitrary and just plain stupid.
there’s a line in the movie “rampart’ from woody harrelson.
he says to ice cube “i’m not racist. i hate all people equally.” funny line.
i love all people equally. honestly. it’s how i was brought up. i just judge my player evaluations objectively based on what i’ve seen and what i feel i know.
in pryor’s case, i was happy when he was drafted. i just don’t think there’s a high probability of his making it at that position. some people seem to think this is a personal affront to their race. it’s not. i’m judging his qb skills only.
like i said, i’m kinda hoping we draft geno smith.
and btw, i dropped palmer for kaepernick in my fantasy league. who was my starter? josh freeman.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
I do look forward tho to seeing Pryor getting extended action and doing enough to validate encouragment in his ability/potential as our QB, and the opportunity to read you posting how you were wrong
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i do hope pryor plays a lot. leinart sucks and there is no point to him playing. but knapps likes him and i fear that will decide things. i’m dreading seeing pryor suck. but if he plays even somewhat well, i will love it.
and u will absolutely see me saying i was wrong. happily so. nothing wrong with changing ur mind based on new, stunning evidence.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
I just don’t think we’ll have a chance at drafting Geno Smith. He will most certainly be taken by the Chiefs or Jaguars, or, by whomever owns the #1 or #2 picks, if there’s a trade with another team.
Reggie will not trade up for him. He will trade our players for more picks, he will trade down here and there to collect a few more picks, and if he does like a QB, it’ll be someone he drafts in the mid-late rounds.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Off-topic for a minute, Dr Robert, could you tell me who you’re favorite all-time and current Raiders are?
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well, growing up, stabler, casper, van eeghen, branch, shell, hayes, mcelroy, long, and guy.
later, it was marcus allen (i named my son after him). and tim brown.
currently, it’s veldheer, streater, palmer, carter, wheeler, and branch.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Pryor received a 5 game suspension during his final season for the Buckeyes for selling memorabilia. Pryor was also seen driving several different cars while at Ohio State, all of them pretty nice.
In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Pryor discussed the choices he made:
“It was humbling,” Pryor told Sports Illustrated. “A mistake I made when I was a freshman by selling my pants for $3,000 just took away everything from me. I was just driven into the ground. I was the worst person in the world. My face popped up on the screen, and it seemed like I was the only one who did anything. I was the only one who was getting attacked.
“At that point last year, I’m 21 and it just felt like everything was against me, like I can’t do anything right. I did something to help somebody else out, and I end up getting into trouble. I understand. I shouldn’t have sold the stuff and taken $3,000. But I was kind of in a place where I didn’t understand why this is happening to me — especially for the reason that I did it.”
HOW DOES THIS BS MAKE PRYOR A TERRIBLE DUDE. The guys was helping the NCAA fill stadiums and making billions. So the slave got alittle money (3K), while the school made millions off his body of work.
December 25th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
I just don’t think we’ll have a chance at drafting Geno Smith. He will most certainly be taken by the Chiefs or Jaguars, or, by whomever owns the #1 or #2 picks, if there’s a trade with another team.
Reggie will not trade up for him. He will trade our players for more picks, he will trade down here and there to collect a few more picks, and if he does like a QB, it’ll be someone he drafts in the mid-late rounds.
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well, geno and barkely both have been falling a bit. i don’t like barkely. i like geno and i think he could drop to mid-to-late first round. a lot can change between now and then, and there will bea qb or two that rise quickly based on bowl games, all-star games, and the combine.
i think the teams looking for a qb high in the draft will include the buffalo, kc, and possibly jax, if they decide against tebow. arizona, minnesota, and the jets may be looking for a veteran. buffalo may wait until the 2nd or 3rd round. not sure if kc or jax would seriously reach that far for a qb.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:02 am
Derek Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Pryor received a 5 game suspension during his final season for the Buckeyes for selling memorabilia. Pryor was also seen driving several different cars while at Ohio State, all of them pretty nice.
In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Pryor discussed the choices he made:
“It was humbling,” Pryor told Sports Illustrated. “A mistake I made when I was a freshman by selling my pants for $3,000 just took away everything from me. I was just driven into the ground. I was the worst person in the world. My face popped up on the screen, and it seemed like I was the only one who did anything. I was the only one who was getting attacked.
“At that point last year, I’m 21 and it just felt like everything was against me, like I can’t do anything right. I did something to help somebody else out, and I end up getting into trouble. I understand. I shouldn’t have sold the stuff and taken $3,000. But I was kind of in a place where I didn’t understand why this is happening to me — especially for the reason that I did it.”
HOW DOES THIS BS MAKE PRYOR A TERRIBLE DUDE. The guys was helping the NCAA fill stadiums and making billions. So the slave got alittle money (3K), while the school made millions off his body of work.
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the ncaa is a joke. their rules all favor the schools. i don’t blame any kid who gets what he can. they put in a LOT of time and it’s hard work. i don’t hold it against pryor at all.
but he still can’t pass the ball.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:14 am
Teams needing a QB or will be looking for one…
Jets, Bills, Browns, Jaguars, Titans, Chiefs, Raiders, Vikings, Cardinals.
Despite the not as strong QB class as last year, teams WILL draft QB in the high first. Just like they did a couple years ago when Gabbert, Locker, Ponder were all getting drafted high, teams trading up for them.
Chiefs and Jaguars are in serious need of one and so it’s really unlikely Geno Smith is available when the Raiders pick.
Plus, teams will look to trade up with those teams and even us, to have a shot at a QB.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:33 am
I think if in the coaches eyes, if Leinert beat out TP as the number two QB, he should DESERVE the starting job.
Thats how all organized sports works from grade school on up. I think its hilarious for people here to slam their little fists on the ground because TP doesn’t get the job handed to him (prolly because he is good in Madden.)
Thats not how it works folks.
That said… TP should get one entire quarter if not an half to help evaluate his skills in an actual game.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:08 am
I don’t understand the “slave” comment of college athletes. A person that receives a scholarship to attend a university is the antithesis of a slave.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:13 am
As is stated on Duck Dynasty and is so obvious when reading most of the comments on here-You can’t teach stupid,Jack.LMFAO.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:56 am
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
As we all know and some have duly noted….
Having a distinguished career as a player, or, being a positional coach or assistant coach or co-ordinator at organizations surrounded by great coaches that you can learn from etc….is no guarantee or signal that one will translate into a good or bad coach in your own right, when you’re the HC/Co-Ord.
Look at all the coaches who’ve come thru under Belichick. Or all those who’ve come thru under Bill Walsh, or one of his proteges. You have to judge coaches based on how they’ve done in their own right as a HC or Co-Ord (how that unit has done under them).
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What has any Belichick assistant coach done once he left that system?
I’ll wait.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:58 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
I do look forward tho to seeing Pryor getting extended action and doing enough to validate encouragment in his ability/potential as our QB, and the opportunity to read you posting how you were wrong
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i do hope pryor plays a lot. leinart sucks and there is no point to him playing. but knapps likes him and i fear that will decide things. i’m dreading seeing pryor suck. but if he plays even somewhat well, i will love it.
and u will absolutely see me saying i was wrong. happily so. nothing wrong with changing ur mind based on new, stunning evidence.
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Would love for a lot of people to be wrong about Terrelle Pryor.
The line for eating crow would line up around the block.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:47 am
Morning, Raider fans!
I hope you had a nice Christmas (or whatever holiday you observe)!
December 26th, 2012 at 2:55 am
I read the some of the most recent posts attached to this story and noticed something missing from the discussion of Terrelle (spl?) Pryor is the opinion of his teammates. Surely, these players have seen what he can (or cannot) do. They must have some opinion on his readiness or skill set. I would think their opinions’ validity is higher than any of ours. Have any of you guys heard, seen, or read anything from Pryor’s teammates about his performance?
December 26th, 2012 at 2:55 am
Also, what does HWS stand for?
December 26th, 2012 at 2:56 am
That’s a great first question, Scourge, but hell if I know the answer!
December 26th, 2012 at 2:58 am
Yeah, Scourge, I was thinking the same thing about HWS. I figured I’d be embarrassed if I asked and it was so simple. Glad you asked and saved me from looking dumb.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:58 am
NO problem, Scourge, glad to help out.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:59 am
So, how’s your morning going, Scourge?
December 26th, 2012 at 2:59 am
Not too bad, Scourge. Had my morning constitutional and now I’m ready for the day!
December 26th, 2012 at 3:00 am
Bigsnow81 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:08 am
I don’t understand the “slave” comment of college athletes. A person that receives a scholarship to attend a university is the antithesis of a slave.
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apparently, missdick and priest don’t recognize that referring to pryor as a slave is obscenely insulting to actual slaves and everyone of us who view slavery as deplorable. they throw the word around like it’s nothing to try to get what they want. disgusting. as black men, it’s deplorable and they should be ashamed of themselves.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:00 am
Great to hear, Scourge. I, myself, am preparing for the morning ritual, but I’ve elected not to shave.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:01 am
Scourge Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:55 am
Also, what does HWS stand for?
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i guess it means height/weight/speed. pryor’s physical attributes. the thing missing is P, as in passing.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:01 am
Dr. Bob, who the ^%(%^*&^&**() said you could interrupt my conversation with myself!!!
December 26th, 2012 at 3:03 am
So, anyhow, Scourge, before we were so rudely interrupted, I may not stop at shaving: I may not bathe either.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:06 am
Scourge Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:55 am
Also, what does HWS stand for?
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Height Weight Speed
December 26th, 2012 at 3:06 am
I know how you feel, Scourge! You build up a nice collection of dirt, oil, dead skin, dust, etc. that’s keeping you warm and, to shower it off, seems, well, downright inefficient.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:07 am
J/K, Doc!!
December 26th, 2012 at 3:08 am
Well, Scourge, ol’ buddy, I wish I could do the same but I have to go out and engage in interpersonal contact with other human beings, who find such malodorous efficiency problematic.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:10 am
GC, thanks! Glad the other Scourge didn’t ask. He takes looking dumb too seriously!
December 26th, 2012 at 3:10 am
And don’t tell me “how dare you interrupt the conversation with myself”….seeing as you didnt know the answer then you wouldn’t have been able to answer your own question thru the other scourge.
Btw, scourge was an alias of someone else, but then forgot to change back to the other name when posting that first reply, so had to act out that scourge-scourge comedy to cover the booboo
December 26th, 2012 at 3:14 am
Scourge, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that many folks herein rush too quickly into the comparison of quarterbacks. While there may be some validity to some criteria, I believe there are few aspects that don’t depend on the influence of other players, the coaches, the scheme, etc. Some of them may be specific to the player, some may not.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:16 am
There’s simply not enough information to be had with which everything else involved can be held constant.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:17 am
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December 26th, 2012 at 3:18 am
Hey, GC!!!
December 26th, 2012 at 3:18 am
I hope you and the Doc are having a good holiday so far?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:19 am
Scourge, tell them I feel the same way!
December 26th, 2012 at 3:19 am
Okay, Scourge, you got it!
December 26th, 2012 at 3:19 am
You guys get that?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:25 am
That said, I do wish they would let Pryor play for a quarter at least. Perhaps even use the players on the unit he practices with the most. I’d like to begin to get some tentative approximation of what he can. I’d very much like to see him do well, even just servicable, so we know what we have (or don’t) going into next year.
I’d also like to see this pro-Pryor/anti-Pryor thing, which has evolved into a racially-based us-versus-them exchange, come to an end.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:31 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:00 am
Bigsnow81 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:08 am
I don’t understand the “slave” comment of college athletes. A person that receives a scholarship to attend a university is the antithesis of a slave.
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apparently, missdick and priest don’t recognize that referring to pryor as a slave is obscenely insulting to actual slaves and everyone of us who view slavery as deplorable. they throw the word around like it’s nothing to try to get what they want. disgusting. as black men, it’s deplorable and they should be ashamed of themselves.
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Maybe he referred to the “high-tech” slave, or commodity that is earning billions for school in revenue. So when Pryor attempted to make money for himself (thus deflecting it from the school, he is being utilized by the school for athletic skill = 21st century gladiator or “slave”)
He isnt taking into account, the educational commitment you have to make, study and life after football….the REAL reason of college.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:32 am
I follow the Raiders through CNN’s online sports section. I recall there used to be a guy who broke down the offensive line’s play by individual positions. Does he still do that or has the change in scheme complicated that task?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:34 am
Morning, Sam
December 26th, 2012 at 3:37 am
Yeah, in this day and age, the terms “slave” and “racism” have become burdened with an emotional component way out of line with a realistic definition.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:50 am
I think that every college football player, on the first day of practice, should be asked to answer the following question: What would you do tomorrow if you were in an accident (of some sort) and you had to have your arm or leg amputated?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:52 am
I also believe it should be asked of every professional football player, too, at the beginning of each season.
With respect to college football players, it should be asked during recruitment visits in the presence of parents.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:53 am
Scourge, those are great questions. I’m glad you asked them, because I’ve had the same questions myself, and I haven’t asked them because, you know, I don’t want to look dumb.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:55 am
I understand, Scourge. You shouldn’t be so shy. You need to be more assertive. The only way you’ll know if you’re questions or statements are dumb is to make them. They either result in responses from others or your questions or thoughts go unnoticed because they are dumb.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:56 am
That’s easy for you to say, Scourge, but I don’t see anyone responding to your posts! Dummy!
December 26th, 2012 at 3:57 am
Scourge, for a personality among a multiple, you’re a pain in the ass!
December 26th, 2012 at 3:58 am
Screw you, Scourge, who needs family when you have me (us)?
December 26th, 2012 at 4:01 am
So, Scourge, how about this thought….One of the reasons Pryor is still around is because AD made him some kind of promise (of which none of us know the details) and made MD commit to it, holding the coaches to it as well.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:02 am
That’s a pretty stupid question, Scourge! Who’s gonna answer it here? No one, dumbass!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:03 am
Well, shoot, Scourge, sometimes who just have to make an ass of yourself, and some you don’t but do so anyhow.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:04 am
Scourge, you’re not being a very good role-model for me!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:05 am
Role-model, schmole-model, Scourge, I ain’t no freakin’ role-model! I’m a blogger (right now) for gosh sake! And a Raiders blogger (right now) to boot!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:07 am
Scourge, could you please turn it down a bit. You may wake one of the others up.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:08 am
Scourge, I must ask you….how does it feel to be absolutely dominating this blog at the moment!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:09 am
That’s right, Scourgy one, and, if you’re not careful, I’ll smack you down too!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:10 am
Scourge, you ain’t gonna do no such thing because my brother’s bigger than your brother!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:10 am
Well, Scourge, is your Mystic the Supavillain bigger or more villainous than my Mystic?
December 26th, 2012 at 4:12 am
Geez, Scourge, that’s tough to say. You got a point there! Yet, perhaps, there wouldn’t be a point! That kinda fight would be absolutely pointless!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:13 am
Scourge, how’s life in your parents’ basement?
December 26th, 2012 at 4:14 am
Now, Scourge, you know I don’t live in my parents’ basement. Those two, bless their souls, are departed, and the old homestead long excavated.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:14 am
But you have the same attitude as if you were!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:15 am
Whaddaya mean, Scourge!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:16 am
Well, Scourge, you’re up early in the morning the day after Christmas chatting with yourself on a sports blog, asking questions and making statements that no one gives a rat’s patootbutt about!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:17 am
Well, Scourge, are you telling me I should be doing something else, more productive, with my time?
December 26th, 2012 at 4:18 am
Yeah, Scourge, I do! Care for an example!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:18 am
Go on, Scourge, give me an example…..
December 26th, 2012 at 4:21 am
WHUT! WHUT!
Good morning, brahs, goobers, dweebs, nerds and assorted minions!!!
Just gettin’ home from a night of carousing with some hungover strippers! Lemme tell ya the Lawg got hella attention last night!! I had to put so much lotion on it…..
December 26th, 2012 at 4:21 am
NO, Scourge, NO, NO, NO! Not that kind of use!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:22 am
That just won’t do!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:24 am
Okay, Scourge, I’m gonna keep my ideas to myself! Just you wait!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:25 am
Someday, you’ll need a clue, and I’m not gonna give you one. You’ll be clueless and I’ll be standing there grinning to myself. smh
December 26th, 2012 at 4:28 am
Th following example of how to utterly waste 30 minutes was brought to you as a community service! Please feel free to use any of it, in it’s original form or wildly modified, for you own needs.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:45 am
Thank you, thank you, but please hold your applause! I appreciate all your appreciation!
December 26th, 2012 at 5:37 am
Anyone who says this kid isn’t very mobile is a freaking MORON. Drew Bledsoe probably ran more like a 5.7 same as Brady in the mid5’s. Smith is at least in the 4.5 or 4.6 and to say that isn’t mobile is very silly.
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Good old Priest, starts with the name-calling, finishes with some wildly inaccurate statistic.
Bledsoe ran a 4.7, hence the reason why Mel Kiper compares Geno Smith to him.
It took less than 15 seconds to google Drew’s forty time, but your panties are in such a tizzy to yell at me with the name-calling, you can’t even do that to not look like an idiot.
But thanks for not, because that wouldn’t be as fun.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Good Morning Nation!
I hope everyone’s Christmas was good!
I say start Pryor, why not? That way, we know if we need another QB or we got one for next year!!! (Backup) at least!
December 26th, 2012 at 5:54 am
bigsnow81 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:08 am
I don’t understand the “slave” comment of college athletes. A person that receives a scholarship to attend a university is the antithesis of a slave.
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There was a great article written in SI on the debate of whether to pay athletes or not, with a wide-ranging panel of current and former players, AD’s, etc.
The current player was an LSU WR (forget his name), who said that for 3 years he thought it was ridiculous he didn’t get paid.
Then he started dating a girl who was not on any type of scholarship. She had to pay for everything from books, to tuition, to rent, to food, doc visits, etc. He started to take leftovers from the training table home for dinner for her and so on.
He said it opened his eye to how much he really “makes” in college and believed then, that athletes do not need to be paid.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:56 am
Here is how I think it will go:
-Start Leinart and give him two series. No matte how that goes, Pryor plays the rest of the first half. If TP plays better, he gets the whole 2nd half. If Leinart plays better, he starts the 3rd quarter, and TP still gets at least one series or until the game is out of reach.
At least that’s what I would do, lol
December 26th, 2012 at 5:59 am
Good luck getting a conversation going this morning, gents. I tried earlier and ended up talking to myself.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:02 am
Happy Holidays fellow Raider brethren!!
#809, sounds good to me… He!!, I’d rather see what Lechler can do rather than sit thru another game with Lionheart at the helm!! Is it me or is Leinert just flat out unexciting to watch? Watching him play is like pleasuring yourself with a condom on…
December 26th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Leinart stinks, hated that signing.
Makes you realize, even with his flaws, how “Exciting” a backup Gradkowski was.
At least he would come in with some panache and start slinging it around.
No way does Bruce throw a 4th and 4 checkdown with the game on the line. That wasy typical Leinart.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:11 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.WITH CP3 OUT,PRYOR PLAYS THE ENTIRE GAME.WITH THAT SAID,IF THIS IS THE LAST GAME IN A RIADER UNIFORM FOR #9,GIVE SHANE A SERIES AT QB.WHAT THE HELL !!!
December 26th, 2012 at 6:14 am
I agree…at least Bruce will try to win the game…
December 26th, 2012 at 6:16 am
I know some people think that Leinart isn’t the future (which he isn’t) so you have to just play TP all game to see what he has.
But you owe to the rest of the locker room to play the best guy.
That’s why Al didn’t say anything when Charlie Frye was playing ahead of Jamarcus the end of 2009.
The easy solution would be for Pryor to have a lights-out week of practice and EARN the starting gig.
Hope it happens.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:16 am
I know not all on this blog cared for Grads, but he was exciting to watch!!… The win he pulled out of his arse against the SteAlers, was one for the ages… He had something that Im not sure many on this Raiders team have and thats heart and a will to win! Too bad he’s backing up the young ginger now…
December 26th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Whats the over/under on number of days after this Sunday that we find out Knapp has been given a pink slip??
December 26th, 2012 at 6:21 am
If only Grads was a FA at the end of the season….
December 26th, 2012 at 6:21 am
Raider in PA…where in PA?
December 26th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Smack-dab in the middle of Happy Valley, but dont assume Im a PSU football fan!!
You in PA too?
December 26th, 2012 at 6:28 am
No, sh*t! You one of O’Brien’s Lions?
December 26th, 2012 at 6:30 am
Whats the over/under on number of days after this Sunday that we find out Knapp has been given a pink slip??
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3 days.
One day off, one day for exit interviews, one day to announce it.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:30 am
I was passing by the Family Clothesline on Sunday afternoon and almost bought one!!!
December 26th, 2012 at 6:30 am
One=an O’Brien’s Lions t-shirt
December 26th, 2012 at 6:32 am
R-PA, I live in the Holmes-Foster district.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:38 am
POST-817,366.I THINK THEY WILL GIVE HIM ANOTHER YEAR.UNFORTUNATLY..
December 26th, 2012 at 6:40 am
You said it there…unfortunately!
December 26th, 2012 at 6:41 am
If they give him another year, it oughta be as Saunder’s asst’s asst.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:53 am
Scourge:
I am a PSU alumnus, although Im not an O’Brien Lion… I do enjoy the cheerleaders though…lol
Holmes-Foster, I know where youre at! How did you come to be a Raiders fan??
December 26th, 2012 at 6:54 am
What up Hawaiian Raider, did Saint Nick track you down??
December 26th, 2012 at 6:57 am
When I was little and lived outside of Philly, my (older) brother turned me on to them on TV. Ben Davidson and all. I’m not a fanatic. I follow them more than Eagles and Steelers (and Nittany Lions). I’m an PSU grad too
December 26th, 2012 at 6:58 am
RinPA, in what general area of HV are you?
December 26th, 2012 at 6:59 am
RiPA…cheerleaders are nice but the dance team….they’re the ones!
December 26th, 2012 at 7:04 am
Good to hear about the Raider Nation in the Philly area!
I was born and raised in Philipsburg, PA as a Raiders FANATIC!! Dads first cuz is Raiders MLB Dan Conners (’64-’75) who was the defensive captain in the days of Big Ben Davidson and the ‘11 Angry Men’… Dan hails from St. Marys, PA…
If you watched NFLN’s ‘A Football Life – Immaculate Reception’, you’ll see Dan in the refs faces after the game, probably arguing the non-clipping call on Phil V…
December 26th, 2012 at 7:06 am
RiPA, cool!!!
One of the! years I lived in the dorms, Matt Millen was two doors down from me.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:07 am
* non-call on the clipping of Phil V.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Millen and Dan both donned the ‘double nickels’ #55
December 26th, 2012 at 7:09 am
I didn’t realize until last year that Jon Condo is from P-O area.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:10 am
RiPA, you work for the local college?
December 26th, 2012 at 7:11 am
Raider-in-PA Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 6:54 am
What up Hawaiian Raider, did Saint Nick track you down??
Yes he did…lol…ate my dam cookies! LOL
December 26th, 2012 at 7:12 am
Yes, it was kind of surreal that Jon was picked up by the Raiders… Ive known him since he was a boy.. P-O’s last state champ wrestler… all around good guy!
I work for Glenn O. Hawbaker as an engineer/estimator, you?
December 26th, 2012 at 7:15 am
I’m finishing up some grad school work at the local college.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Sure is a small world!
December 26th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Good morning PA brethren
I see the Knapp comments and thought I would try to put my perspective on the matter.
News quote:
“Still, the simple truth is that Knapp was not the Raiders’ first choice. He was hired after the Raiders interviewed a couple other candidates, and even that was long after pretty much every other team in the league had their coaching staff already set.
There remains a distinct possibility that Knapp will return in 2013. Maybe for the sake of continuity, or because it’s not as simple as most fans think to “upgrade” at a coaching position.”
We got our staff based upon good recommendations from around the league for young, intelligent, energetic, process oriented teachers to help build a winning team.
DA; Significant promotion and 4 year deal
Tarver; Significant promotion
Knapp; Lateral but returns home
THOSE GUYS CAME HERE BECAUSE IT WAS GOOD FOR THEM EITHER FOR PERSONAL OR PROFESSIONAL REASONS.
From a career perspective Oakland is a massive high risk challenge that few want anything to with.
Can you name another organization in sports where multiple candidates for the head job have told their prospective employer to get lost?
Off the top for RECENT Raider “opportunities” I can think of Petrino, Sarkisian, Arians, Whisenhunt and Payton. Just flat out blew us off. These guys never had been an HC in the NFL and they told us to forget it.
DA got a 4 year deal because this is a long term project and he could have simply bided his time with Denver, possibly win a second Super Bowl with Peyton then have been an even hotter commodity for a job in Philly or Chicago. Clubs that have nowhere near the issues we have now. Think DA did not have that cross his mind when he required a 4 year deal???
A guy like Gruden or Del Rio would have been great but they can afford to be much more selective because they have already done the job and know the challenges we face. Why would any experienced HC want to come here???
1. MASSIVE CAP ISSUES
2. NO first round pick since 2010 and missing our second round pick in 2012 and 2013.
3. Grossly over rated and over aged players especially on the line of scrimmage.
4. Without the title of GM this experienced HC only has limited input into cap issues and player selection. (As Parcells used to say when courted for other HC jobs having already been one, “If you want me to make dinner, you need to let me buy the groceries”).
Further, Gruden and Del Rio both fell victim to the fact that AS GOOD AS THEY ARE; THEY WERE UNABLE TO WIN WITHOUT TALENT!!!!! Lack of talent is the PRIMARY reason that our present staff and the SIX THAT HAVE PRECEEDED THEM FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS COULD NOT PRODUCE A WINNING SEASON LET ALONE GET TO THE PLAYOFFS. SEVEN DIFFERENT STAFFS IN TEN YEARS!!!! LACK OF TALENT.
Reggie, Mark and DA know this is a 4 year project. Otherwise 4 year deals would not have been offered! 3-5 YEARS TO UNRAVEL THIS MESS.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Hi, Charlie…
Well said. I can agree with most. I’m not sure Knapp should return. I’d also make Saunders OC/AHC.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:28 am
I think just about anyone would be better than Knapp. I could be wrong, but I can tell what plays he’s running before the ball is snapped. That means that opposing DC know exactly what he’s doing, because I’m not a X’s and O’s guy.
He’s awful and he should have been gone long before now.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Happy Holidays, Charlie!!… Always spelling it out for us with reality and without BS or personal takes…
Do you think DA appealed to Reggie because 1. for DA, coming to Oakland was a huge promotion and 2. if things dont work out with DA as a HC, Reggie has an easy out and built-in excuse?
OR do you think Reggie really believes DA can right the ship?
December 26th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Oh, my! Maria Molina is doing the weather on Fox. She used to do the same on Accu-weather just down the road.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:33 am
Scourge
I think DA and Reggie did the best they could by keeping Saunders on the staff for continuity purposes to help Knapp.
I like Saunders and he has a wealth of knowledge.
I just do not think that a coordinator as a rule makes any where near the impact with a team that has the talent limitations we have on the Oline. Injuries have played a part in that but Carlisle and Barnes would not be starting for any other team in the NFL.
That is a huge liability that limits what you can really do as an OC.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Al brought Knapp back for a 2nd year, after failing in his first year.
I don’t think Reggie makes the same mistake by bringing him back.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:36 am
The way Knapp called the Panthers game, as just one of 15 other examples/games thru the season, is screaming evidence of why Knapp must go, why there’s no benefit to him returning. He will only continue to hurt this offense, and the confidence/success of the players.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Charlie…
Very true, although I’m surprised they hired Knapp for the second time knowing the trouble they had on the O-line, even before injuries, and knowing they’d be changing to ZBS.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Good Morning PA
Happy Holidays to you.
I really think DA was the best he could get given our reality.
I pulled together a brief summary of how scary our situation is.
It also explains why we could only get a rookie GM.
I like all these guys because they were at least willing to take on a really messy situation.
Below is a summary of how disastrous our cap situation was and what Reggie has had to deal with.
It was created over several years as we continued to draft poorly, over rate free agents and pay far above market value for very little production. The cap issues alone are a three year project. Forget about aging players that lack talent to compete at the NFL level. That is a draft problem that is a multiyear fix as well given our lack of picks.
“As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).”
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. That is easily the most money ever spent on a team in the history of the NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN.”
“In general manager Reggie McKenzie’s first offseason with the team, HIS HANDS WERE ESSENTIALLY TIED DUE TO A TOUGH SALARY CAP AND VERY FEW DRAFT PICKS. IN THE 2013 DRAFT, THE RAIDERS WILL HAVE MORE SELECTIONS, AS WELL AS A FIRST-ROUND PICK FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2010.”
“The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
“The Raiders knew they were taking a risk extending the players they did prior to the lockout.”
Reggie:
“Guys, I mean what happened this offseason; I don’t wish that on anybody, maybe the other teams in our division. That was a struggle, especially coming in here as a rookie GM. I remember talking to Ted Thompson. His rookie year he was able to get Charles Woodson. I would have liked to have done that. I talked to guys all around the league. I didn’t realize what the situation, how difficult and what other people thought about it. When you get the job people call and say, ‘What are you going to do with that cap? You’re all what over the cap. How are you going to do that?’
You want the players to doggone take it upon themselves and run it. We’re not at that level.”
Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
3-5 year project.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Just read Peter Kings MMQB.
Interesting that the Colts have 5 D-lineman on IR, and had two more inactive on game day.
So they brought that week, a blast from the past Kellen Heard, off the street to play NT.
They gave up 352 yards rushing against the Chiefs, lol.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:44 am
I wonder when people will consider the possibility that maybe Saunders WAS offered the OC position, and said he didn’t want it! Maybe the guy wanted to just be a consultant…
December 26th, 2012 at 7:45 am
My pick for our Mock Draft last year, Casey Hayward, is graded out by PFF as the 3rd best DB in the league.
I thought he would slip to us in the 3rd, but was picked in the last 2nd.
Can’t teach ball skills. Why DVD is inactive every week, and guys like Charles Tillman and Casey Heyward are at the top of their profession.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Thanks, Charlie, I seem to recall seeing something similar recently. Perhaps you posted it.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Don’t know why Al Saunders wasn’t retained as a OC? At least there would have been some kind of continuity in the offense.
I wonder what RM/DA (if he is not fired) will do with Al this coming off season?
December 26th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Good Morning BZC
That is what I copied on my my 845 post.
Knapp was not our first choice.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:50 am
You guys hear Denard Robinson is going to enter the draft as a CB? Guess he must not be in Mistics new wave of Qbs… I thought he was better than Pryor too… LOL.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:51 am
bcz24…
That’s certainly a possibility. I believe that AD knew his time on this earth was very limited and wanted to provide his son with an experiential insurance possibility, given AC’s head coaching experience.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:52 am
51 points in 4 games and no TDs in our last 2 games, and Knapp wants more time for his system?!
I hate Knapp.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:53 am
You thought D Robinson was better than TP?
LOL
December 26th, 2012 at 7:53 am
So with the 3rd overall pick the Raiders should select NT Star Lotulelei? Is that what your suggesting Vegas?
December 26th, 2012 at 7:53 am
That or Mark’s advisors suggested it for similar reasons.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:55 am
so after this season, the first of ten and then, is it now 9 and whine?
December 26th, 2012 at 7:55 am
I want to draft Shoelace in the 6th or 7th round.
Bet he runs a sub 4.4 at the combine, and his speed and size would be perfect in the return game.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Star Lotulelie or D Moore
December 26th, 2012 at 7:56 am
863.Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:53 am
You thought D Robinson was better than TP?
LOL
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Hey no, don’t let your loathing of all things blue and gold sway your opinion!
December 26th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Scourge
You are welcome.
I have tried to point out to those that will listen that this is not your typical NFL franchise that has had a rough couple of years.
This is a total makeover starting with gutting the scouting department and actually installing computers for the first time.
Reggie could not do that till after April.
Massive cap and talent issues without a full complement of picks till 2014.
The draft process alone represents a years worth of work.
That is why progress needs to be measured in years not months.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Ray,
Not sold on a NT with the 3rd pick, no matter who it is.
Would rather Te’O or Moore from A & M.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:57 am
I’m not going to waste my time watching games next season, if we don’t overhaul our coaching staff.
Knapp, Hoffman, and OL coach need to go.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:59 am
How about OT Kyle Long in the 3rd RD?
or
Maybe CB Tyrann Mathieu?
December 26th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:56 am
863.Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:53 am
You thought D Robinson was better than TP?
LOL
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Hey no, don’t let your loathing of all things blue and gold sway your opinion!
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I can’t help it, but I wasn’t impressed with Robinson as a passer. I think B Miller and TP are better than Robinson.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:02 am
I want Te’O, we need a LEADER, not just a playmaker. Look what a guy like Keuchly did for the Panthers, hell he made John Beason expendable, and that is saying something. Plus, with our first rounder we HAVE to get a guy who is on the field every play
December 26th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Pass on Te’o.
Star and J Hankins are not just NTs. They can play multiple positions on the DL, and they can rush the passer.
My favorite pick is D Moore.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:03 am
I can’t help it, but I wasn’t impressed with Robinson as a passer. I think B Miller and TP are better than Robinson.
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Fair enough.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Exactly Bcz, how could you not watch the Panthers game with Kuechly as CLEARLY the best player on the field, and not try to rebottle that with Te’O?
Even if Te’O does not live FULLY up to the hype, I think his bust potential is at 0%, and his intangibles are off the charts.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Te’o reminds me of McClain. Big and lacks speed, plays behind a good DL, so I’m not sold on the kid.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Not sold on him as a top 10 pick.
I would draft him in the 1st, but not in the top 10.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Te’O may not have as high as ceiling as some in the draft, but his floor is maybe higher than everyone else.
To me, at worst he is like a London Fletcher type, guy who plays 10 years and never makes a Pro Bowl, but is still a very quality NFL player, as well as a locker room leader.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Luke Kuechly is smaller and faster than Te’o.
Luke is 240 and Te’o is 260.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Charlie, I really think you’re “spot on” with what you’ve written. I did know about the scouting/other depts and computers.The only thing I’m skeptical about is Knapp. I also think AD figured potential established head coaches would avoid his son as they had him, figuring “father like son” is another reason Saunders is still around.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Te’O would be easily neutralized given our Dline issues.
ND has a great Dline that prevents Olineman from getting to the second level.
Need to build the lines first. Too many holes.
Seymour is gone.
Shaugnessy can not compete and he is gone.
Kelly is an over paid backup.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 am
I rather draft a DE or NT in the 1st and LB Andrew Jackson in later rounds.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 am
DA said he is considering moving Burris to MLB next season, this means more than likely they will be looking at a D-lineman with the 1st pick.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Luke Joeckel, Wiz 2, and Veldheer,
We NEED that YOUNG core to protect our QB!!!!
December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am
*Forehead slap* Sorry, Charlie, I just went back and looked at 845. I meant that I thought it had been posted a few days/weeks back. *blush*
December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Andrew Jackson*, ILB, Western Kentucky
Height: 6-1. Weight: 265.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2012): 2-4.
12/15/12: Jackson has totaled 116 tackles, 16.5 tackles for a loss, two sacks and four forced fumbles this season. He held his own against Alabama with seven tackles and 1.5 tackles for a loss. Jackson had a huge game against Florida Atlantic with 19 tackles, 3.5 tackles for a loss, a pass batted and a forced fumble that was returned 75 yards for a touchdown by teammate Quanterus Smith.
Jackson is one of the most physical players in college football. He lays the hammer on linemen and ball-carriers.
8/31/12: The Lakeland, Fla. product Jackson grew up in Ray Lewis’ hometown and has patterned his game after the future Hall of Famer. Jackson had 109 tackles with 17 tackles for a loss, 3.5 sacks, one interception and one forced fumble in 2011. The sophomore played well against the better competition with 12 tackles and a sack against Kentucky and eight tackles and a sack against LSU.
Jackson is a thumper of a linebacker. He has good instincts and some quickness. Jackson is extremely physical and has real presence on the field with a big-time demeanor. It was his first season of playing time, so the junior has a lot of potential and a high ceiling to get better in 2012 and 2013.
From Walter football.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am
boss01 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 am
DA said he is considering moving Burris to MLB next season, this means more than likely they will be looking at a D-lineman with the 1st pick.
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That doesn’t sound like a good idea, but bad ideas are what’s expected from DA
December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am
I am cool with D Moore with our first pick.
Burris at MLB……I don’t know. On one hand he is around the ball a lot, on the other hand, he seems to miss more tackles than he makes.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:15 am
I’m more concerned with 3rd down defense, so I am completely off Star Lotuleilei.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Just saw a mock draft for 2013 has Oakland taking 2 TEs… In my mind, that is totally bogus.. Im not seeing the TE position as one of glaring need, many more positions should be upgraded first… anyone agree?
December 26th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Raider O
Absolutely
We have to rebuild our lines.
9 of your starting 22 (41%) plays exclusively in the box.
OLines create time and space. Dlines destroy time and space.
The rest of the pieces fill in the gaps.
We will never be a consistently, strong, winning franchise building our lines with low round draft picks or free agents.
Taken to another extreme, we will not be able to beat our competition when they consistently use high picks to build this part of their team.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:17 am
1- DT/ NT Star Lotulelie
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- ILB Andrew Jackson
Add a good CB in FA and this defense is fixed.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:17 am
890.The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am
boss01 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 am
DA said he is considering moving Burris to MLB next season, this means more than likely they will be looking at a D-lineman with the 1st pick.
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That doesn’t sound like a good idea, but bad ideas are what’s expected from DA
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Not sold either
December 26th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Luke is 240 and Te’o is 260.
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THANK YOU!!!
55 is 260 and you want ANOTHER 260 ILB with a top pick????
260 = Too damm big for 4-3 MLB.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:18 am
RinPA, looks like some of your drivers might be getting some OT if the storm we’re supposed to get actually shows itself.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Raider-in-PA Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Just saw a mock draft for 2013 has Oakland taking 2 TEs… In my mind, that is totally bogus.. Im not seeing the TE position as one of glaring need, many more positions should be upgraded first… anyone agree?
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Kinda like Reggie having 3 FB’s on the roster at one time? Anything is possible.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:19 am
If the LT is gone, Werner or Moore.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:20 am
J Hill Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Luke is 240 and Te’o is 260.
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THANK YOU!!!
55 is 260 and you want ANOTHER 260 ILB with a top pick????
260 = Too damm big for 4-3 MLB.
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I don’t know how big Matt Millen was, just remeber how huge he looked lining up over the Center. He looked like a standing DT
December 26th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Bakerious Mingo > Damontre Moore … Jarvis Jones > Manti Teo
December 26th, 2012 at 8:21 am
True Scourge, looks like the storm is starting to show itself right now… Might be calling it an early day!…lol
December 26th, 2012 at 8:21 am
9 of your starting 22 (41%) plays exclusively in the box.
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Don’t disagree with you Charlie that we need to upgrade both line, but what’s with this stat?
More people play out of the box then in it, lol.
Not the best point for your arguement.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Raider O
I like it.
The Oline needs to wait till 2014. Bergstrom for Carlisle and we max protect for Barnes?
I feel the Oline is the heart of the team and ultimately wins Super Bowls but we can be competitive more quickly with a great D.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Charlie,
We agree on the DL and front 7, but I’m not a fan of investing high picks on OL unless its a LT especially in the ZBS.
Like I said, Steelers and Giants won multiple SBs without investing high picks in their OL.
I’m not saying we should ignore our OL, but I don’t think we need to waste prime picks on interior OL.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Jarvis Jones = Andre Wadsworth
December 26th, 2012 at 8:22 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:20 am
J Hill Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Luke is 240 and Te’o is 260.
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THANK YOU!!!
55 is 260 and you want ANOTHER 260 ILB with a top pick????
260 = Too damm big for 4-3 MLB.
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I don’t know how big Matt Millen was, just remeber how huge he looked lining up over the Center. He looked like a standing DT
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Didn’t he play DT in Penn?
December 26th, 2012 at 8:23 am
896.boss01 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:17 am
890.The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am
boss01 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 am
DA said he is considering moving Burris to MLB next season, this means more than likely they will be looking at a D-lineman with the 1st pick.
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That doesn’t sound like a good idea, but bad ideas are what’s expected from DA
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Not sold either
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THIS is where i get demoralized with having DA as our coach going forward.
What was Burris known for coming out of college? What did we see him do on his featured highlight reel?
That’s right…RUSH THE PASSER and cause chaos in the backfield.
IMO that’s supposed to be Burris’s strength.
MLB? Burris is a speed rusher.
Am I way off base here?
December 26th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Te’o reminds me of McClain. Big and lacks speed, plays behind a good DL, so I’m not sold on the kid.
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he isnt like mcclain at all. great kid and leader.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:23 am
I personally dont have anything against Teo, but Im gun-shy taking another LB so high in the draft.. I agree with Charlie, both lines are where the most attention is needed…
On another note, anyone hear rumors of Oakland taking a look at Tracey Porter again? This is one of the FAs that I wanted BADLY at the start of this year…
December 26th, 2012 at 8:24 am
“Barkevious” typo
December 26th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Did Porter even play this year?
Sounds like Ron Bartell 2.0
December 26th, 2012 at 8:26 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:23 am
896.boss01 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:17 am
890.The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am
boss01 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 am
DA said he is considering moving Burris to MLB next season, this means more than likely they will be looking at a D-lineman with the 1st pick.
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That doesn’t sound like a good idea, but bad ideas are what’s expected from DA
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Not sold either
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THIS is where i get demoralized with having DA as our coach going forward.
What was Burris known for coming out of college? What did we see him do on his featured highlight reel?
That’s right…RUSH THE PASSER and cause chaos in the backfield.
IMO that’s supposed to be Burris’s strength.
MLB? Burris is a speed rusher.
Am I way off base here?
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yeah, i’ve said for a while that burris shuld have been used in the pass rush..
December 26th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Just fire:
4 Dline(with a 4-3)
5 Oline
I believe we have neglected nearly half of our team with high draft picks for the last decade.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Charlie and O,
We are ranked # 9 in the league as far OLine goes and Palmer really hasn’t been under that much duress..(the injury in Carolina not withstanding).
I agree it needs some work, but might our efforts be better utilized elsewhere in more areas of need?
December 26th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Charlie Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Raider O
I like it.
The Oline needs to wait till 2014. Bergstrom for Carlisle and we max protect for Barnes?
I feel the Oline is the heart of the team and ultimately wins Super Bowls but we can be competitive more quickly with a great D.
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We have a lot of needs, so I doubt we can fix them all in one off season:
Needs:
1- OC
2- Pass rusher
3- DT/ NT
4- CB
5- LB
6- OG/ C
7- RT
8- TE (Myers is a FA)
December 26th, 2012 at 8:27 am
we really NEED to trade down and make sure we gets more picks.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Did Porter even play this year?
Sounds like Ron Bartell 2.0
$$$$$$$$$$$
Portet!!!
December 26th, 2012 at 8:28 am
910.dr_robert Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Te’o reminds me of McClain. Big and lacks speed, plays behind a good DL, so I’m not sold on the kid.
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he isnt like mcclain at all. great kid and leader.
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Definitely. Teo is not the type of guy to dog it.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:28 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Charlie and O,
We are ranked # 9 in the league as far OLine goes and Palmer really hasn’t been under that much duress..(the injury in Carolina not withstanding).
I agree it needs some work, but might our efforts be better utilized elsewhere in more areas of need?
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I agree DJ. We need to focus on fixing our defense and adding impact players.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Didn’t he play DT in Penn?
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yeah, played DT at PSU. I remember seeing him in the hallway of the dorm we lived in one day with his girlfriend at time. He was huge! Took up most of the hallway. Kinda funny standing next to his girlfriend, who I believe was a gymnast. (I thought it was funny *to myself*)
December 26th, 2012 at 8:29 am
I believe we have neglected nearly half of our team with high draft picks for the last decade.
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1st rounder for Big Dick, 2nd for Houston, 2nd for Wiz, 3rd for Veldheer and Shaughnessy.
Not the case at all.
We spend one 1st round on McClain and Huff, and then try to surround them with 4th and 5th rounders or worse.
Plenty of holes around the team, but pigeon-holing a draft position is how you end up with Blaine Gabbert with the 10th pick.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Millen was a DT for Penn State.
He was a great ILB BEHIND A REALLY SOLID DLINE.
Alzado, Kinlaw, Long, Pickel, Townsend.
Great defense starts with the line.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:30 am
909.DJ Johnny Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:23 am
896.boss01 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:17 am
890.The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am
boss01 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 am
DA said he is considering moving Burris to MLB next season, this means more than likely they will be looking at a D-lineman with the 1st pick.
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That doesn’t sound like a good idea, but bad ideas are what’s expected from DA
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Not sold either
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THIS is where i get demoralized with having DA as our coach going forward.
What was Burris known for coming out of college? What did we see him do on his featured highlight reel?
That’s right…RUSH THE PASSER and cause chaos in the backfield.
IMO that’s supposed to be Burris’s strength.
MLB? Burris is a speed rusher.
Am I way off base here?
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He is known for having a motor, flying around and getting to the QB off the edge which I did not see all year except for one sorry sack, not sure what DA is thinking or why he used him the way the did, he definitely should have no input on who is drafted. Either get someone like Malauga, or draft Te’o, Burris is definitely not the answer.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Te’o is the same size as McClain, similar speed, and both played behind a good DL in college.
Similar players IMO.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:31 am
#913, Porter was having a good season until sidelined…
Porter is a defensive playmaker, not sure what Bartell’s resume is like..
December 26th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Larry Grant should be our middle linebacker next year to go along with wheeler and jarvis joness jones. Or id even make a play for both Grant and daryl smith in fa and draft mingo or bjoern werner
December 26th, 2012 at 8:33 am
what reggie? no practice squad moves? dont tell me youve given up on the season?
December 26th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Another stupid move by DA was moving Wiz 2.0 to center. Mcfadden had the greatest success last year running behind Veldheer – Wiz 2.0 at left guard. Another head scratcher, just like not using Burris as a speed rusher.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Just fire
ROUNDS ONE AND TWO THE LAST 10 YEARS.
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
That’s 21 picks. ONLY FIVE WERE ALONG THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. Simple math says that 9 of your 22 starters are lineman which means AT LEAST NINE PICKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR LINEMAN.
That also assume you make good picks.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Scourge Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Didn’t he play DT in Penn?
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yeah, played DT at PSU. I remember seeing him in the hallway of the dorm we lived in one day with his girlfriend at time. He was huge! Took up most of the hallway. Kinda funny standing next to his girlfriend, who I believe was a gymnast. (I thought it was funny *to myself*)
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LOL
I like M Millen
I also like Gymnasts
December 26th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Te’o is the same size as McClain, similar speed, and both played behind a good DL in college.
Similar players IMO.
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not if u watch them play
December 26th, 2012 at 8:34 am
If Te’o is a Bible-thumper like I’ve heard…he will be a Raider!!
Just look at what Reggie did last year in the draft!
“Sweeeeet Baaby Jeesus!”
December 26th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Definitely. Teo is not the type of guy to dog it.
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Everything being said about Teo this year is what was being said abot McClain. EXACT same stuff. 260 is 260 and 260 won’t be all over the field.
Teo needs to get down to 245.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:36 am
You guys see the old man who got BCS tickets from his son?
Great gift. The hat was nice too.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Charlie,
While I believe the lines are really important for all the reasons you’ve mentioned, I don’t think we should use a lot of high picks on DL/OL candidates. I honestly believe we should send our new scouting dept out to smaller colleges and universities to see if we can pick up some “sleepers” who have a lot of promise. I’m sure there are some nice finds to be made, even for UDFAs. I believe some of these young guys have gone to school at the smaller institutions to get a good education, and, as a result might be smarter than your average high draft pick.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:37 am
ONLY FIVE WERE ALONG THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE
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I counted 6, plus the 1st spent for Seymour.
Add Veldheer and Matt S in the third and you got your 9 picks.
I bet that is more than the Patriots, Steelers, Saints and Giants have used.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:37 am
ONLY FIVE WERE ALONG THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE
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I counted 6, plus the 1st spent for Seymour.
Add Veldheer and Matt S in the third and you got your 9 picks.
I bet that is more than the Patriots, Steelers, Saints and Giants have used.
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I’m not sure about that Pats, but I’m sure it’s more than the steelers, Giants, and Saints who won 5 SBs in the last decade.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:40 am
but pigeon-holing a draft position is how you end up with Blaine Gabbert with the 10th pick.
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But we are talking about at least 4 position with our top 3 pick, not 1.
9 positions with the 2nd rd pick.
No pigeon holeing, bruh.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:41 am
As I said. They need to be good picks.
Seymour was not a 21 y/o hungry player under the rookie cap.
Not remotely a viable comparison.
GIANTS/STEELERS DRAFT HISTORY FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS REVEALS THE FOLLOWING:
The Giants drafted 8 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the past decade.
What is misleading is when you go back a bit further you find:
STRAHAN #1
PETITGOUT #1
GRAGG #2
The Giants had the good fortune of getting unusual longevity out of VERY HIGH DRAFT PICKS. AS A RESULT THEY HAD A CORE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO FOCUS ON SKILL GUYS WITH HIGH PICKS BECAUSE THEY HAD BUILT THE CORE OF THEIR LINES IN THE LATE 90’S.
The Steelers drafted 12 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the last decade.
BY CONTRAST THE RAIDERS DRAFTED 7 IN THE BOX TYPE PLAYERS WITH HIGH ROUND PICKS. THEY ALSO TRADED AWAY THREE OF THEIR 20 HIGH ROUND PICKS DURING THAT TIME. MOST WERE ALL AVERAGE TO POOR PICKS. BRAYTON,HOWARD,GALLERY,GROVE,McCLAIN. WE CAN BE GENEROUS AND SAY THAT HOUSTON AND WIZ II WERE SUCCESSFUL.
THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS THAT SUCCESSFUL WINNING FRANCHISES BUILD THE CORE OF THEIR LINES WITH FIRST AND SECOND ROUND PICKS. IF THEY MISS THEY KEEP DOING IT TILL THEY GET IT RIGHT.
THAT IS WHAT THE RAIDERS USED TO DO AND THEY GOT AWAY FROM IT FOR THE LAST DECADE.
Conners #2 Schuh #2 Upshaw #1 Thoms #1 Buehler #2 Villapianao #2 Korver #2 Johnson#2
Lawrence #2 Millen #2 Mosebar #1 Pickell #2
December 26th, 2012 at 8:44 am
J Hill Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Definitely. Teo is not the type of guy to dog it.
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Everything being said about Teo this year is what was being said abot McClain. EXACT same stuff. 260 is 260 and 260 won’t be all over the field.
Teo needs to get down to 245.
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no. i’ve watched him play every game of his career. he’s a stud. and very quick and reactive. driven. smart and instinctive.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:45 am
What is really disheartening, AD (RIP) went with such off the wall picks way too early in the drafts(DHB, Mitchell, etc). I understand that the scouting dept didnt even have computers, but the players highly touted by Mike Mayock seem to have worked out in most cases… It seems the Oakland scouts couldve done a better job by simply watching NFLN!! That alone deserves a HUGE ‘C’MON, MAN!!’
December 26th, 2012 at 8:48 am
ROUNDS ONE AND TWO THE LAST 10 YEARS.
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
That’s 21 picks. ONLY FIVE WERE ALONG THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. Simple math says that 9 of your 22 starters are lineman which means AT LEAST NINE PICKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR LINEMAN.
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Don’t forget trading a 1st for Seymour.
7 picks were used to acquire Linemen.
Not bad. Like you said, there are 22 starters, so we can’t invest every pick on linemen.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Raider PA
Absolutely correct.
See my 942 post.
You must draft well and focus on the in the box talent first.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:53 am
J Hill Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Definitely. Teo is not the type of guy to dog it.
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Everything being said about Teo this year is what was being said abot McClain. EXACT same stuff. 260 is 260 and 260 won’t be all over the field.
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Exactly.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:54 am
944.Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:48 am
ROUNDS ONE AND TWO THE LAST 10 YEARS.
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
That’s 21 picks. ONLY FIVE WERE ALONG THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. Simple math says that 9 of your 22 starters are lineman which means AT LEAST NINE PICKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR LINEMAN.
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Don’t forget trading a 1st for Seymour.
7 picks were used to acquire Linemen.
Not bad. Like you said, there are 22 starters, so we can’t invest every pick on linemen.
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Out of those 21 picks in 10 drafts, ONLY 1 PRO BOWLER!!! I have been saying all along, this is the WHY for the current sad state of affairs.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Raider O
As I said earlier trading for Seymour is not what I am suggesting.
That was a bad move.
Comparing Ngata with Seymour is not valid. That was questionable at the time of the deal and has proven even more so with experience.
Further 7 is not enough when our competition is doing more of it and is better at it.
Just look at the Colts and what their first and second picks were spent on over the last four years.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Seymour was a good Raider. Tommy Kelly and his intrest in only getting sacks was our biggest problem and the weak LBs.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:04 am
I think in RM’s mind are 3 players: Moore, Star and Werner, i believe he’ll take the safest pick and that is Bjoern Werner.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Charlie Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Raider O
As I said earlier trading for Seymour is not what I am suggesting.
That was a bad move.
Comparing Ngata with Seymour is not valid. That was questionable at the time of the deal and has proven even more so with experience.
Further 7 is not enough when our competition is doing more of it and is better at it.
Just look at the Colts and what their first and second picks were spent on over the last four years.
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The competition is doing more?
You keep ignoring the fact that 2 of the best teams in the league won multiple SBs without investing high picks in their OL. Boss is right. The problem was the players and not the positions.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Boss01 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:17 am
890.The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am
boss01 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 am
DA said he is considering moving Burris to MLB next season, this means more than likely they will be looking at a D-lineman with the 1st pick.
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That doesn’t sound like a good idea, but bad ideas are what’s expected from DA
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Not sold either
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I’d only like Burris at MLB, if we were a 3-4 defense with a big NT like Louleilei or Johnathan Hankins in front.
so
1- Louleilei
3- Nico Johnson, ILB, Bama
4-Sean Porter or Travis Long, Wash St.
FA
Conner Barwin, Texans
Chris Houston, Lions
Dashon Goldson, Niners
December 26th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Seymour may be a good citizen and family man but relative to his contract and the cost of a first round pick he was a total disaster.
Seymour (till his terrible contract was amended this season) was the highest paid Raider. He can not even practice let alone play at a high level.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:14 am
RaiderO
See my post 942.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:15 am
DA is kidding Burris to MLB right? although his instincts have improved lately, he still misses too many tackles, he wouldn’t start in about 20 teams.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Charlie Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Seymour may be a good citizen and family man but relative to his contract and the cost of a first round pick he was a total disaster.
Seymour (till his terrible contract was amended this season) was the highest paid Raider. He can not even practice let alone play at a high level.
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This year, sure, he’s been a bust. But not his fault he got old. His first years here were great though. He’d be better even now if we didn’t have Kelly wasting the 3 tech spot on the line.
If Seymour can’t be cut this year, Start Bryant and Houston inside, with Seymour as a 3rd down rotational guy at the 3 spot. Limited snaps will increase his production.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:17 am
ron69 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 9:15 am
DA is kidding Burris to MLB right? although his instincts have improved lately, he still misses too many tackles, he wouldn’t start in about 20 teams.
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It sounds like a horrible idea, that’s why i believe it.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Avril, Grant Fa
December 26th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Star or A&M tackle. Hope we do not trade back to far, need impact players. Star is a beas, has to be doubled even then makes plays. Scared of FSU pass rushers.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Judge
That is my point.
We can not pay huge dollars for a backup.
It is our fault we invested a number one for a guy his age. We made it worse by paying huge money.
That is why NE got rid of him.
That is what has killed this franchise.
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. That is easily the most money ever spent on a team in the history of the NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN.”
Seymour is gone.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Scourge Says:
If they give him another year, it oughta be as Saunder’s asst’s asst.
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I’ll be your lackey. I’ll be your lackey’s lackey.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:32 am
DA could be looking for his Von Miller, Jones is solid.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Charlie,
Andy Reid and the eagles love investing high picks on linemen. How many SBs did they win? Aren’t they 4-11 too?
The Steelers won 2 SBs with one of the worst OL in the league.
Again, I agree about investing high picks on the front 7, but I disagree about investing high picks on OL especially interior linemen.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:33 am
9 and whine…
December 26th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Lorenzo Oneil and Rod Woodson were ripping the coaching staff this morning.
Topics were Pryor and Dennis Allens lack of experience in the NFL. Total 7 years.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Hellsbells Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 9:32 am
DA could be looking for his Von Miller, Jones is solid.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I’m not impressed with this kid. I know he is listed at 240+, but looks more like 220+.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:51 am
DA lacks experience and he had a few mistakes/ issues:
1- hiring a good staff
2- Using TOs
3- play calling/ adjusting/ maximizing roster production
December 26th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 9:51 am
DA lacks experience and he had a few mistakes/ issues:
1- hiring a good staff
2- Using TOs
3- play calling/ adjusting/ maximizing roster production
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I like how you packed a few into #3, making it look like it’s not that many.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Have the Raids invested heavily enough draftwise to build the lines ?
Guess the answer to that would depend on one’s philosophy pertaining to drafting BPA versus drafting for need, the relative importance you place on the lines in comparison to other units, whether one feels quality linemen can be secured through other avenues such as free agwency or later in the draft, etc.
So the question of whether enough has been invested in building the lines is debatable and really boils down to philosophy and perspective.
What’s NOT debatable is that the Raids early draft day selections have been incredibly bad. Mid and late rounds and UDFAs have actually been quite good, IMO.
It’s the continual whiffing and selection of busts (at every position) at the top of the draft that has destroyed this team more than a failure to address any one specific area such as the OLine.
If we’d have hit on Gallery and Grove we probably wouldn’t be here complaining the OLine has been neglected.
Also need to consider that we did draft V, signed Barnes, JFB’s boy – ‘Savage’, Breisel, and just selected Bergstrom.
I’m not going to say we couldn’t or shouldn’t have invested more in the lines – but it should be clear we haven’t invested wisely.
We’ve invested a TON in the defensive secondary to no avail.
As Al D used say, it’s more important to be RIGHT than to be CONSISTENT.
Placing an emphasis on consistently drafting interior linemen is meaningless unless you draft the right guys.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:59 am
All i can say is that i’ve never looked foward to an off season more than this year. Not so much excited for next season until i find out what happens this offseason
December 26th, 2012 at 9:59 am
cb, de/olb, lt, qb, rb are the positions where u like to focus on at the top cuz they are the positions where u can find real difference makers, and they are the rarities. there’s a bigger difference between the elite players at those positions and the average ones than there is at the others.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Well, I’m outta here. Things to do before the snow gets too deep.
Have good day, Nation!
December 26th, 2012 at 10:04 am
926.Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Te’o is the same size as McClain, similar speed, and both played behind a good DL in college.
Similar players IMO.
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Physically similar players, but Te’o comes off as the type of guy who will work his ass off to be that 4-3 mlb, where romac took the money and ran… well jogged.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:04 am
The Oline was just fine last year.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Raider O
The Oline is as if not more important than the dline.
That being said, given our lack of picks our diline is in much worse shape that our Oline and it should be our focus in this years draft.
The Oline will need to wait for 2014. Hopefully Bergstrom can take over for Carlisle.
We will never be a consistently, strong, winning franchise building our lines with low round draft picks or free agents.
I have pointed out a reason for your Giants example. My point regarding the Eagles is you have to do it well.
Taken to another extreme, we will not be able to beat our competition when they consistently use high picks to build this part of their team.
It is simply the law of averages.
Better talent is usually available in the first two rounds of the draft as compared to rounds 6 and 7.
These are typically 270-320 pound athletes that need to have the agility and quickness of college level skill players. We are not likely to find premier or at least very good lineman in the fifth to seventh round or packing out at Wal Mart THAT ARE BETTER THAN WHAT OTHER NFL TEAMS HAVE.
I simply think that it is a low percentage play on either side of the ball thinking we are going to rebuild both lines well with low round picks.
Especially given our present state.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:06 am
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:04 am
The Oline was just fine last year.
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So was the pass rush
December 26th, 2012 at 10:09 am
974.KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:04 am
The Oline was just fine last year.
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The oline had pass protection problems last year, but both JC and CP were very good at getting the ball out quickly, which limited our sacks. They took a step back in run blocking this year, but pass protection was about the same.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:11 am
bcz24 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:09 am
974.KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:04 am
The Oline was just fine last year.
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The oline had pass protection problems last year, but both JC and CP were very good at getting the ball out quickly, which limited our sacks. They took a step back in run blocking this year, but pass protection was about the same.
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Pass protection was a little better last year because of the play calling. All the misdirection runs, screens and PA’s gave these guys a little bit of an edge when they did have to drop back in traditional pass protection.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:13 am
An ex-con gunned down two firefighters after luring them to his neighborhood by setting a car and a house ablaze early Monday, then took shots at police and committed suicide while several homes burned.
Authorities used an armored vehicle to help residents flee dozens of homes on the shore of Lake Ontario a day before Christmas. Police restricted access to the neighborhood, and officials said it was not clear whether there were other bodies in the seven houses left to burn.
The sister of the gunman, who lived with him, was unaccounted for. The gunman’s motive was unknown.
The gunman fired at the four firefighters when they arrived shortly after 5:30 a.m. at the blaze in Webster, a suburb of Rochester, town Police Chief Gerald Pickering said. The first police officer who arrived chased the suspect and exchanged gunfire.
He lay in wait outdoors for the firefighters’ arrival, then opened fire probably with a rifle and from atop an earthen berm, Pickering said.
“It does appear it was a trap,” he said.
The gunman, William Spengler, had served more than 17 years in prison for beating his 92-year-old grandmother to death with a hammer in 1980 at the house next to where Monday’s attack happened, Pickering said at afternoon news conference. Spengler, 62, was paroled in 1998 and had led a quiet life since, authorities said. Convicted felons are not allowed to possess weapons.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57560719/4-firefighters-shot-2-dead-in-upstate-n.y/
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Guns guns guns.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:09 am
974.KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:04 am
The Oline was just fine last year.
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The oline had pass protection problems last year, but both JC and CP were very good at getting the ball out quickly, which limited our sacks. They took a step back in run blocking this year, but pass protection was about the same.
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many differences from last year.
1) barnes hurt
2) carlisle slipping
3) wiz injury/position change
4) brisiel struggled
December 26th, 2012 at 10:15 am
LoNeal, Woodson, and Romo are not giving Junior and his staff a pass any longer.
Isn’t interesting that the critics of the Raiders coaching in the BA media were ex-players?
I just wish someone in the presser would press Junior, and don’t let him get away with his robocoach speech. Isn’t a whole season of BS enough? You would think he has repeated the same BS enough already.
The final game is a time for Junior’s redemption, dump Krappy and his playbook, let Pryor loose, and let it all out on defense. Raiders win big and put a hurt on what’s left of Norv and the doltz.
Junior is redeemed, Pryor is then guaranteed the starting QB job next season, as the ZarMac begins to truly re-build the team around the young talent. The ZarMac’s redemption would be when he gets rid of Carcux, Big Rich, and the rest of the check-cashers in the team. That’s when I’ll believe the rebuilding is in earnest.
However, that’s all a fantasy. Junior will continue his embarrassment with Leinart, and just eat the criticizing from not just LoNeal, Woodson or Romo, but from the fans. So, he knows he has the ZarMac’s support, and will be coaching here again to show us his IT factor once again, all robocoach speak, but no game.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:16 am
979. During the LA Riots, Firefighters were given guns and body armor. Sounds like the solution here.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:16 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 9:51 am
DA lacks experience and he had a few mistakes/ issues:
1- hiring a good staff
2- Using TOs
3- play calling/ adjusting/ maximizing roster production
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I like how you packed a few into #3, making it look like it’s not that many.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I dint like DA, but I think using TOs, calling plays, and adjusting is one point. Game management.
Allow me to correct myself:
1- Hiring a good staff
2- Game managent and preparation
3- Roster management and maximizing production
December 26th, 2012 at 10:17 am
dr_robert Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:09 am
974.KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:04 am
The Oline was just fine last year.
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The oline had pass protection problems last year, but both JC and CP were very good at getting the ball out quickly, which limited our sacks. They took a step back in run blocking this year, but pass protection was about the same.
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many differences from last year.
1) barnes hurt
2) carlisle slipping
3) wiz injury/position change
4) brisiel struggled
5) Predictable play calling
December 26th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Don’t*
December 26th, 2012 at 10:18 am
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:13 am
An ex-con gunned down two firefighters after luring them to his neighborhood by setting a car and a house ablaze early Monday, then took shots at police and committed suicide while several homes burned.
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That was 3 miles from my home in Webster. Insane man.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Judge/Kell
Last year was a different year.
IT WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE 8-8! The most expensive in NFL History.
In addition, Carson cost us a second round pick in 2013.
“As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN in 2012.”
The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
Throw on top of this mess the injury experience we had and no one should be surprised we declined this year.
Yes 8-8 was very misleading 2011. THE MOST EXPENSIVE 8-8 TEAM IN NFL HISTORY!!!!!!!!!
Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
Perhaps you understand why I say this is a 3-5 year project.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:19 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:16 am
979. During the LA Riots, Firefighters were given guns and body armor. Sounds like the solution here.
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The solution is always more guns for you simplistic people.
If guns made us safe, we’d be the safest country in the world.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Coaching…
Can anyone tell me why I should feel confident RM is qualified to select a HC or can identify coaching talent ?
We KNOW Al Davis was qualified and could identify coaching talent.
Might not have been able to get his man, but the interview process was LEGENDARY.
Madden, Gruden, Flores, Shanahan attest to his ability to being able to identify guys that could be successful HCs.
What was RM’s interview with DA like ?
Did they discuss X’s and O’s ? Can Reggie even do that ?
Did they discuss philosophy ?
How long did the interview last ?
DA was chosen based on what exactly ?
Resume ? Recommendation ?
‘Gut feeling’ ?
After watching Tits in action and the product he has put on the field I think it’s more than fair to question the vetting process involved in his hire and why we should feel confident Reggie knows what he’s doing when selecting a HC.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Scourge Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:59 am
Good luck getting a conversation going this morning, gents. I tried earlier and ended up talking to myself.
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LOL. You do that all the time anyway!!
December 26th, 2012 at 10:23 am
It can’t be overlooked that good coaches also have charisma. Players want to play hard and win for them. DA had one good motivational moment before the Steelers game, it worked, and then that was the last time we heard of that.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:25 am
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:19 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:16 am
979. During the LA Riots, Firefighters were given guns and body armor. Sounds like the solution here.
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The solution is always more guns for you simplistic people.
If guns made us safe, we’d be the safest country in the world
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Maybe there’s just not enough guns per person
December 26th, 2012 at 10:25 am
882.Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Luke Kuechly is smaller and faster than Te’o.
Luke is 240 and Te’o is 260.
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Te’o is 250…not 260.
Te’o is just as good as Kuechly.
D Moore, Te’o, Werner, D Jordan or Star should be the Raiders pick this year.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:26 am
988.KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:19 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:16 am
979. During the LA Riots, Firefighters were given guns and body armor. Sounds like the solution here.
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The solution is always more guns for you simplistic people.
If guns made us safe, we’d be the safest country in the world.
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How does banning guns fix the problem? Criminals don’t follow the rules.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:04 am
926.Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Te’o is the same size as McClain, similar speed, and both played behind a good DL in college.
Similar players IMO.
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Physically similar players, but Te’o comes off as the type of guy who will work his ass off to be that 4-3 mlb, where romac took the money and ran… well jogged.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I know he is a hard worker and a leader (experts said the same things about McClain), but that doesn’t mean he is going to have success as a 4-3 MLB.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:27 am
There is no easy solution for bouts of madness.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:28 am
I have no idea what qualifies DA for a head coaching job. Why would Reggie hire such a green guy to rebuild a franchise, was one of the questions by Lorenzo O’Neil and Rod Woodson this morning on 95.7.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Allen_(American_football)
December 26th, 2012 at 10:31 am
How does banning guns fix the problem? Criminals don’t follow the rules.
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You cant let murderers have guns, like the killer above. Close all these loopholes, make guns harder to get.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:31 am
I don’t understand why John DeFilippo was brought back, he must be Greg Knapp’s son or something. His only two NFL QB students are Jamarcus Russell and Mark Sanchez.
And this is the guy who’s had OTA’s, Training Camp, Preseason and 15 regular season games to get Terrelle Pryor “Not even close to Ready”?
December 26th, 2012 at 10:34 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:25 am
882.Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Luke Kuechly is smaller and faster than Te’o.
Luke is 240 and Te’o is 260.
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Te’o is 250…not 260.
Te’o is just as good as Kuechly.
D Moore, Te’o, Werner, D Jordan or Star should be the Raiders pick this year.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The sites I visited have him listed at 255 or 260, and not one site had him listed at 250.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:39 am
If they draft Star, they should be able to go 3-4, if that’s what they want to do.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Werner can play both as a 5 tech DE in the 3-4 and as a 4-3 RDE. Werner is strong and athletic, but a bit raw, but is versatile.
The true test of D Moores value is if he can play as a stand up 3-4 pass rush OLB. He might be too light at 250 to play as a full time RDE in the 4-3.
We know the great intangibles and leadership Te’o has to offer. Worrying about his speed is silly. He is the complete opposite of McClain. He can do do it all, including rush the passer.
Can Star make enough plays and get to the QB? He can play well versus the run, but can he put pressure on the QB? That would be nice. He can be the two gapper the Raiders have needed for awhile now.
He can play in the 4-3 and of course as the NT in the 3-4. Getting him would allow the Raiders to finally show more 3-4 looks.
D Jordan will probably be more of a 3-4 stand up OLB…..he is too light to be a full time RDE, unless he gains some muscle weight. He is athletic and long and reminds me of JPP a bit.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:40 am
1001.KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:39 am
If they draft Star, they should be able to go 3-4, if that’s what they want to do.
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Still need solid LB’s though and Wheeler may leave via FA.
Not good.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:41 am
#979, anybody who beat their grandmother to death with a hammer should be automatically killed, no questions!! This problem shouldve been solved back in 1980… Im tired of the taxpayers footing the bill to allow these POS to breathe… Makes me think the days of cutting a thief’s hand off, the guillotine and public hangings were the right thing to do…
December 26th, 2012 at 10:42 am
1000.Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:34 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:25 am
882.Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Luke Kuechly is smaller and faster than Te’o.
Luke is 240 and Te’o is 260.
^^^^^^^^^
Te’o is 250…not 260.
Te’o is just as good as Kuechly.
D Moore, Te’o, Werner, D Jordan or Star should be the Raiders pick this year.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The sites I visited have him listed at 255 or 260, and not one site had him listed at 250.
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Maybe 255 by the time combine rolls around. He won’t be 260 though.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:45 am
many differences from last year.
1) barnes hurt
2) carlisle slipping
3) wiz injury/position change
4) brisiel struggled
Coaching staff is the biggest differance from last year.They suck big money.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:47 am
new post dummies.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Raider-in-PA Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:41 am
#979, anybody who beat their grandmother to death with a hammer should be automatically killed, no questions!! This problem shouldve been solved back in 1980… Im tired of the taxpayers footing the bill to allow these POS to breathe… Makes me think the days of cutting a thief’s hand off, the guillotine and public hangings were the right thing to do…
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never should have gotten out of jail.
No death penalty, to many innocent people wrongly convicted, but he should have never seen the light of day.
Oh well sucks for those FF and his sister
December 26th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
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