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Palmer hospitalized in Bay Area, out for Chargers game

Starting quarterback Carson Palmer spent the night in a local hospital as a result of the broken ribs and bruised lung he suffered from a helmet-to-back hit against the Carolina Panthers.
Coach Dennis Allen said Palmer will not play Sunday in Oakland’s regular-season finale against the San Diego Chargers.
Palmer was taken to Eden Medical Center as soon as the Raiders landed in Oakland on Sunday night, where he spent the night under observation. He was released Monday afternoon.
Veteran Matt Leinart and second-year player Terrelle Pryor will be considered for the starting job against the Chargers, Allen said. Leinart relieved Palmer against the Panthers. Pryor played three snaps.
“Our plan right now is to work both of them this week,” Allen said, “and then we’ll see how practice goes. Later in the week, we’ll be ready to name a starter.”
Allen said the Raiders will not sign another quarterback between now and Sunday’s game. Therefore, punter Shane Lechler will be the No. 3 quarterback.
Palmer on Sunday got drilled from behind by Panthers defensive end Greg Hardy as he prepared to throw a pass from the right side of the field late in the first quarter.
Hardy was penalized 15 yards for roughing the passer on the play. Palmer stayed down for several minutes, while being tended to by team athletic trainers.
Palmer started the first 15 games this season and passed for 4,018 yards, with 22 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He joined Rich Gannon as the only players to pass for 4,000 yards or more in a season.
Allen called Pryor “a work in progress,” adding that Pryor works hard in practice and is making strides toward earning more playing time. On Sunday, Allen said Pryor isn’t ready to be the backup just yet.
On Monday, Allen added: “I don’t know that he’s got full command of everything that we’re doing. But I wouldn’t expect a lot different out of any other young quarterback. He’s got to continue to work, and he’s done a nice job.”
Allen gave players the day off Monday. Therefore, Pryor and others weren’t available for comment.

– The incident from Sunday’s game in which Panthers quarterback Cam Newton bumped referee Jerome Boger is being reviewed by the league office.
Newton took umbrage with the way he was tackled by Raiders safety Mike Mitchell and yelled at Boger. In the process, Newton bumped Boger.
Boger penalized Newton for “disrespectfully addressing” an official. He added that Newton’s contact with him was not of “malicious nature.” Newton apologized to Boger after the game.

– The Raiders are assured of finishing in third place in the AFC West, regardless how they fare against the Chargers.
Therefore, they now know that they will play a third-place schedule in 2013, which means they host the third-place team from the AFC North (Pittsburgh Steelers) and play on the road against the third-place team from the AFC East (Miami Dolphins or New York Jets).
Their 14 other games are: Denver Broncos, Chargers and Kansas City Chiefs, home and away; Jacksonville Jaguars, Tennessee Titans, Philadelphia Eagles and Washington Redskins at home; Indianapolis Colts, Houston Texans, Dallas Cowboys and New York Giants on the road.

– The Chiefs and Jaguars will pick first and second in the 2013 NFL draft. The Raiders are one of three teams at 4-11. The Raiders would pick third if they wind up tied with the Eagles and Lions, the two other 4-11 teams right now, based on a weaker strength-of-schedule.
It’s conceivable that the Raiders could wind up as one of seven teams in a tie at 5-10. If so, it’s likely that they still would get the No. 3 pick.

– The Raiders allowed 419 points through their first 15 games. They need to hold the Chargers to 13 or fewer if they are to better last season’s total.
The 1961 Raiders allowed the most points in a season, when they surrendered 458. Worse, that came in a 14-game season.

– Strong safety Tyvon Branch (ankle), cornerback Phillip Adams (groin) and right guard Mike Brisiel (concussion) emerged from the Panthers game at less than full strength. They are questionable for the Chargers game.

– Allen declined to assess the performance of offensive coordinator Greg Knapp and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver.
“I don’t think this is the time,” Allen said. “We do have one game left. There will be time to assess all aspects of the organization, coaching staff included. We’ll do that at some point after the season.”

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  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    The way Knapp called the Panthers game, as just one of 15 other examples/games thru the season, is screaming evidence of why Knapp must go, why there’s no benefit to him returning. He will only continue to hurt this offense, and the confidence/success of the players.

  • Scourge

    Charlie…

    Very true, although I’m surprised they hired Knapp for the second time knowing the trouble they had on the O-line, even before injuries, and knowing they’d be changing to ZBS.

  • Charlie

    Good Morning PA

    Happy Holidays to you.

    I really think DA was the best he could get given our reality.
    I pulled together a brief summary of how scary our situation is.
    It also explains why we could only get a rookie GM.
    I like all these guys because they were at least willing to take on a really messy situation.

    Below is a summary of how disastrous our cap situation was and what Reggie has had to deal with.
    It was created over several years as we continued to draft poorly, over rate free agents and pay far above market value for very little production. The cap issues alone are a three year project. Forget about aging players that lack talent to compete at the NFL level. That is a draft problem that is a multiyear fix as well given our lack of picks.

    “As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).”

    “In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. That is easily the most money ever spent on a team in the history of the NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”

    “Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN.”

    “In general manager Reggie McKenzie’s first offseason with the team, HIS HANDS WERE ESSENTIALLY TIED DUE TO A TOUGH SALARY CAP AND VERY FEW DRAFT PICKS. IN THE 2013 DRAFT, THE RAIDERS WILL HAVE MORE SELECTIONS, AS WELL AS A FIRST-ROUND PICK FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2010.”

    “The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”

    “The Raiders knew they were taking a risk extending the players they did prior to the lockout.”

    Reggie:
    “Guys, I mean what happened this offseason; I don’t wish that on anybody, maybe the other teams in our division. That was a struggle, especially coming in here as a rookie GM. I remember talking to Ted Thompson. His rookie year he was able to get Charles Woodson. I would have liked to have done that. I talked to guys all around the league. I didn’t realize what the situation, how difficult and what other people thought about it. When you get the job people call and say, ‘What are you going to do with that cap? You’re all what over the cap. How are you going to do that?’
    You want the players to doggone take it upon themselves and run it. We’re not at that level.”

    Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
    DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
    QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
    LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
    CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
    FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
    RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
    DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
    WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
    LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
    P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
    TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
    DT John Henderson $4,750,000
    PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
    CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
    LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
    OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
    FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
    DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
    SS Mike Mitchell $965,500

    3-5 year project.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Just read Peter Kings MMQB.

    Interesting that the Colts have 5 D-lineman on IR, and had two more inactive on game day.

    So they brought that week, a blast from the past Kellen Heard, off the street to play NT.

    They gave up 352 yards rushing against the Chiefs, lol.

  • bcz24

    I wonder when people will consider the possibility that maybe Saunders WAS offered the OC position, and said he didn’t want it! Maybe the guy wanted to just be a consultant…

  • Just Fire Baby

    My pick for our Mock Draft last year, Casey Hayward, is graded out by PFF as the 3rd best DB in the league.

    I thought he would slip to us in the 3rd, but was picked in the last 2nd.

    Can’t teach ball skills. Why DVD is inactive every week, and guys like Charles Tillman and Casey Heyward are at the top of their profession.

  • Scourge

    Thanks, Charlie, I seem to recall seeing something similar recently. Perhaps you posted it.

  • r8eray

    Don’t know why Al Saunders wasn’t retained as a OC? At least there would have been some kind of continuity in the offense.

    I wonder what RM/DA (if he is not fired) will do with Al this coming off season?

  • Charlie

    Good Morning BZC

    That is what I copied on my my 845 post.
    Knapp was not our first choice.

  • bcz24

    You guys hear Denard Robinson is going to enter the draft as a CB? Guess he must not be in Mistics new wave of Qbs… I thought he was better than Pryor too… LOL.

  • Scourge

    bcz24…

    That’s certainly a possibility. I believe that AD knew his time on this earth was very limited and wanted to provide his son with an experiential insurance possibility, given AC’s head coaching experience.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    51 points in 4 games and no TDs in our last 2 games, and Knapp wants more time for his system?!
    I hate Knapp.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    You thought D Robinson was better than TP?
    LOL

  • r8eray

    So with the 3rd overall pick the Raiders should select NT Star Lotulelei? Is that what your suggesting Vegas?

  • Scourge

    That or Mark’s advisors suggested it for similar reasons.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    so after this season, the first of ten and then, is it now 9 and whine?

  • Just Fire Baby

    I want to draft Shoelace in the 6th or 7th round.

    Bet he runs a sub 4.4 at the combine, and his speed and size would be perfect in the return game.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Star Lotulelie or D Moore

  • bcz24

    863.Raider O Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 7:53 am
    You thought D Robinson was better than TP?
    LOL
    ****************
    Hey no, don’t let your loathing of all things blue and gold sway your opinion!

  • Charlie

    Scourge

    You are welcome.
    I have tried to point out to those that will listen that this is not your typical NFL franchise that has had a rough couple of years.

    This is a total makeover starting with gutting the scouting department and actually installing computers for the first time.
    Reggie could not do that till after April.
    Massive cap and talent issues without a full complement of picks till 2014.

    The draft process alone represents a years worth of work.
    That is why progress needs to be measured in years not months.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Ray,

    Not sold on a NT with the 3rd pick, no matter who it is.

    Would rather Te’O or Moore from A & M.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    I’m not going to waste my time watching games next season, if we don’t overhaul our coaching staff.
    Knapp, Hoffman, and OL coach need to go.

  • r8eray

    How about OT Kyle Long in the 3rd RD?

    or

    Maybe CB Tyrann Mathieu?

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Bcz24 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 7:56 am
    863.Raider O Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 7:53 am
    You thought D Robinson was better than TP?
    LOL
    ****************
    Hey no, don’t let your loathing of all things blue and gold sway your opinion!
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    I can’t help it, but I wasn’t impressed with Robinson as a passer. I think B Miller and TP are better than Robinson.

  • bcz24

    I want Te’O, we need a LEADER, not just a playmaker. Look what a guy like Keuchly did for the Panthers, hell he made John Beason expendable, and that is saying something. Plus, with our first rounder we HAVE to get a guy who is on the field every play

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Pass on Te’o.
    Star and J Hankins are not just NTs. They can play multiple positions on the DL, and they can rush the passer.
    My favorite pick is D Moore.

  • bcz24

    I can’t help it, but I wasn’t impressed with Robinson as a passer. I think B Miller and TP are better than Robinson.
    ************
    Fair enough.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Exactly Bcz, how could you not watch the Panthers game with Kuechly as CLEARLY the best player on the field, and not try to rebottle that with Te’O?

    Even if Te’O does not live FULLY up to the hype, I think his bust potential is at 0%, and his intangibles are off the charts.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Te’o reminds me of McClain. Big and lacks speed, plays behind a good DL, so I’m not sold on the kid.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Not sold on him as a top 10 pick.
    I would draft him in the 1st, but not in the top 10.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Te’O may not have as high as ceiling as some in the draft, but his floor is maybe higher than everyone else.

    To me, at worst he is like a London Fletcher type, guy who plays 10 years and never makes a Pro Bowl, but is still a very quality NFL player, as well as a locker room leader.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Luke Kuechly is smaller and faster than Te’o.
    Luke is 240 and Te’o is 260.

  • Scourge

    Charlie, I really think you’re “spot on” with what you’ve written. I did know about the scouting/other depts and computers.The only thing I’m skeptical about is Knapp. I also think AD figured potential established head coaches would avoid his son as they had him, figuring “father like son” is another reason Saunders is still around.

  • Charlie

    Te’O would be easily neutralized given our Dline issues.

    ND has a great Dline that prevents Olineman from getting to the second level.

    Need to build the lines first. Too many holes.
    Seymour is gone.
    Shaugnessy can not compete and he is gone.
    Kelly is an over paid backup.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    I rather draft a DE or NT in the 1st and LB Andrew Jackson in later rounds.

  • boss01

    DA said he is considering moving Burris to MLB next season, this means more than likely they will be looking at a D-lineman with the 1st pick.

  • J Hill

    Luke Joeckel, Wiz 2, and Veldheer,

    We NEED that YOUNG core to protect our QB!!!!

  • Scourge

    *Forehead slap* Sorry, Charlie, I just went back and looked at 845. I meant that I thought it had been posted a few days/weeks back. *blush*

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Andrew Jackson*, ILB, Western Kentucky
    Height: 6-1. Weight: 265.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
    Projected Round (2012): 2-4.
    12/15/12: Jackson has totaled 116 tackles, 16.5 tackles for a loss, two sacks and four forced fumbles this season. He held his own against Alabama with seven tackles and 1.5 tackles for a loss. Jackson had a huge game against Florida Atlantic with 19 tackles, 3.5 tackles for a loss, a pass batted and a forced fumble that was returned 75 yards for a touchdown by teammate Quanterus Smith.

    Jackson is one of the most physical players in college football. He lays the hammer on linemen and ball-carriers.

    8/31/12: The Lakeland, Fla. product Jackson grew up in Ray Lewis’ hometown and has patterned his game after the future Hall of Famer. Jackson had 109 tackles with 17 tackles for a loss, 3.5 sacks, one interception and one forced fumble in 2011. The sophomore played well against the better competition with 12 tackles and a sack against Kentucky and eight tackles and a sack against LSU.

    Jackson is a thumper of a linebacker. He has good instincts and some quickness. Jackson is extremely physical and has real presence on the field with a big-time demeanor. It was his first season of playing time, so the junior has a lot of potential and a high ceiling to get better in 2012 and 2013.

    From Walter football.

  • The_Judge37

    boss01 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 am
    DA said he is considering moving Burris to MLB next season, this means more than likely they will be looking at a D-lineman with the 1st pick.
    ——-

    That doesn’t sound like a good idea, but bad ideas are what’s expected from DA

  • Just Fire Baby

    I am cool with D Moore with our first pick.

    Burris at MLB……I don’t know. On one hand he is around the ball a lot, on the other hand, he seems to miss more tackles than he makes.

  • J Hill

    I’m more concerned with 3rd down defense, so I am completely off Star Lotuleilei.

  • Raider-in-PA

    Just saw a mock draft for 2013 has Oakland taking 2 TEs… In my mind, that is totally bogus.. Im not seeing the TE position as one of glaring need, many more positions should be upgraded first… anyone agree?

  • Charlie

    Raider O

    Absolutely
    We have to rebuild our lines.
    9 of your starting 22 (41%) plays exclusively in the box.
    OLines create time and space. Dlines destroy time and space.
    The rest of the pieces fill in the gaps.
    We will never be a consistently, strong, winning franchise building our lines with low round draft picks or free agents.
    Taken to another extreme, we will not be able to beat our competition when they consistently use high picks to build this part of their team.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    1- DT/ NT Star Lotulelie
    3- DE Brandon Jenkins
    4- ILB Andrew Jackson

    Add a good CB in FA and this defense is fixed.

  • boss01

    890.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am
    boss01 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 am
    DA said he is considering moving Burris to MLB next season, this means more than likely they will be looking at a D-lineman with the 1st pick.
    ——-

    That doesn’t sound like a good idea, but bad ideas are what’s expected from DA

    Not sold either

  • J Hill

    Luke is 240 and Te’o is 260.

    ————————————————————

    THANK YOU!!!

    55 is 260 and you want ANOTHER 260 ILB with a top pick????

    260 = Too damm big for 4-3 MLB.

  • Scourge

    RinPA, looks like some of your drivers might be getting some OT if the storm we’re supposed to get actually shows itself.

  • The_Judge37

    Raider-in-PA Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:16 am
    Just saw a mock draft for 2013 has Oakland taking 2 TEs… In my mind, that is totally bogus.. Im not seeing the TE position as one of glaring need, many more positions should be upgraded first… anyone agree?
    ———

    Kinda like Reggie having 3 FB’s on the roster at one time? Anything is possible.

  • J Hill

    If the LT is gone, Werner or Moore.