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Palmer hospitalized in Bay Area, out for Chargers game

By Steve Corkran
Monday, December 24th, 2012 at 2:25 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Starting quarterback Carson Palmer spent the night in a local hospital as a result of the broken ribs and bruised lung he suffered from a helmet-to-back hit against the Carolina Panthers.
Coach Dennis Allen said Palmer will not play Sunday in Oakland’s regular-season finale against the San Diego Chargers.
Palmer was taken to Eden Medical Center as soon as the Raiders landed in Oakland on Sunday night, where he spent the night under observation. He was released Monday afternoon.
Veteran Matt Leinart and second-year player Terrelle Pryor will be considered for the starting job against the Chargers, Allen said. Leinart relieved Palmer against the Panthers. Pryor played three snaps.
“Our plan right now is to work both of them this week,” Allen said, “and then we’ll see how practice goes. Later in the week, we’ll be ready to name a starter.”
Allen said the Raiders will not sign another quarterback between now and Sunday’s game. Therefore, punter Shane Lechler will be the No. 3 quarterback.
Palmer on Sunday got drilled from behind by Panthers defensive end Greg Hardy as he prepared to throw a pass from the right side of the field late in the first quarter.
Hardy was penalized 15 yards for roughing the passer on the play. Palmer stayed down for several minutes, while being tended to by team athletic trainers.
Palmer started the first 15 games this season and passed for 4,018 yards, with 22 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He joined Rich Gannon as the only players to pass for 4,000 yards or more in a season.
Allen called Pryor “a work in progress,” adding that Pryor works hard in practice and is making strides toward earning more playing time. On Sunday, Allen said Pryor isn’t ready to be the backup just yet.
On Monday, Allen added: “I don’t know that he’s got full command of everything that we’re doing. But I wouldn’t expect a lot different out of any other young quarterback. He’s got to continue to work, and he’s done a nice job.”
Allen gave players the day off Monday. Therefore, Pryor and others weren’t available for comment.

– The incident from Sunday’s game in which Panthers quarterback Cam Newton bumped referee Jerome Boger is being reviewed by the league office.
Newton took umbrage with the way he was tackled by Raiders safety Mike Mitchell and yelled at Boger. In the process, Newton bumped Boger.
Boger penalized Newton for “disrespectfully addressing” an official. He added that Newton’s contact with him was not of “malicious nature.” Newton apologized to Boger after the game.

– The Raiders are assured of finishing in third place in the AFC West, regardless how they fare against the Chargers.
Therefore, they now know that they will play a third-place schedule in 2013, which means they host the third-place team from the AFC North (Pittsburgh Steelers) and play on the road against the third-place team from the AFC East (Miami Dolphins or New York Jets).
Their 14 other games are: Denver Broncos, Chargers and Kansas City Chiefs, home and away; Jacksonville Jaguars, Tennessee Titans, Philadelphia Eagles and Washington Redskins at home; Indianapolis Colts, Houston Texans, Dallas Cowboys and New York Giants on the road.

– The Chiefs and Jaguars will pick first and second in the 2013 NFL draft. The Raiders are one of three teams at 4-11. The Raiders would pick third if they wind up tied with the Eagles and Lions, the two other 4-11 teams right now, based on a weaker strength-of-schedule.
It’s conceivable that the Raiders could wind up as one of seven teams in a tie at 5-10. If so, it’s likely that they still would get the No. 3 pick.

– The Raiders allowed 419 points through their first 15 games. They need to hold the Chargers to 13 or fewer if they are to better last season’s total.
The 1961 Raiders allowed the most points in a season, when they surrendered 458. Worse, that came in a 14-game season.

– Strong safety Tyvon Branch (ankle), cornerback Phillip Adams (groin) and right guard Mike Brisiel (concussion) emerged from the Panthers game at less than full strength. They are questionable for the Chargers game.

– Allen declined to assess the performance of offensive coordinator Greg Knapp and defensive coordinator Jason Tarver.
“I don’t think this is the time,” Allen said. “We do have one game left. There will be time to assess all aspects of the organization, coaching staff included. We’ll do that at some point after the season.”

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  • The_Judge37

    J Hill Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:18 am
    Luke is 240 and Te’o is 260.

    ————————————————————

    THANK YOU!!!

    55 is 260 and you want ANOTHER 260 ILB with a top pick????

    260 = Too damm big for 4-3 MLB.
    ——–

    I don’t know how big Matt Millen was, just remeber how huge he looked lining up over the Center. He looked like a standing DT

  • Jackie Bibby

    Bakerious Mingo > Damontre Moore … Jarvis Jones > Manti Teo

  • Raider-in-PA

    True Scourge, looks like the storm is starting to show itself right now… Might be calling it an early day!…lol

  • Just Fire Baby

    9 of your starting 22 (41%) plays exclusively in the box.

    *****************************

    Don’t disagree with you Charlie that we need to upgrade both line, but what’s with this stat?

    More people play out of the box then in it, lol.

    Not the best point for your arguement.

  • Charlie

    Raider O

    I like it.

    The Oline needs to wait till 2014. Bergstrom for Carlisle and we max protect for Barnes?

    I feel the Oline is the heart of the team and ultimately wins Super Bowls but we can be competitive more quickly with a great D.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Charlie,

    We agree on the DL and front 7, but I’m not a fan of investing high picks on OL unless its a LT especially in the ZBS.
    Like I said, Steelers and Giants won multiple SBs without investing high picks in their OL.
    I’m not saying we should ignore our OL, but I don’t think we need to waste prime picks on interior OL.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Jarvis Jones = Andre Wadsworth

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:20 am
    J Hill Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:18 am
    Luke is 240 and Te’o is 260.

    ————————————————————

    THANK YOU!!!

    55 is 260 and you want ANOTHER 260 ILB with a top pick????

    260 = Too damm big for 4-3 MLB.
    ——–

    I don’t know how big Matt Millen was, just remeber how huge he looked lining up over the Center. He looked like a standing DT
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Didn’t he play DT in Penn?

  • DJ Johnny

    896.boss01 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:17 am
    890.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am
    boss01 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 am
    DA said he is considering moving Burris to MLB next season, this means more than likely they will be looking at a D-lineman with the 1st pick.
    ——-

    That doesn’t sound like a good idea, but bad ideas are what’s expected from DA

    Not sold either

    THIS is where i get demoralized with having DA as our coach going forward.

    What was Burris known for coming out of college? What did we see him do on his featured highlight reel?

    That’s right…RUSH THE PASSER and cause chaos in the backfield.

    IMO that’s supposed to be Burris’s strength.

    MLB? Burris is a speed rusher.

    Am I way off base here?

  • dr_robert

    Raider O Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:06 am
    Te’o reminds me of McClain. Big and lacks speed, plays behind a good DL, so I’m not sold on the kid.
    ****************
    he isnt like mcclain at all. great kid and leader.

  • Raider-in-PA

    I personally dont have anything against Teo, but Im gun-shy taking another LB so high in the draft.. I agree with Charlie, both lines are where the most attention is needed…

    On another note, anyone hear rumors of Oakland taking a look at Tracey Porter again? This is one of the FAs that I wanted BADLY at the start of this year…

  • Jackie Bibby

    “Barkevious” typo

  • Just Fire Baby

    Did Porter even play this year?

    Sounds like Ron Bartell 2.0

  • dr_robert

    DJ Johnny Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:23 am
    896.boss01 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:17 am
    890.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am
    boss01 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 am
    DA said he is considering moving Burris to MLB next season, this means more than likely they will be looking at a D-lineman with the 1st pick.
    ——-

    That doesn’t sound like a good idea, but bad ideas are what’s expected from DA

    Not sold either

    THIS is where i get demoralized with having DA as our coach going forward.

    What was Burris known for coming out of college? What did we see him do on his featured highlight reel?

    That’s right…RUSH THE PASSER and cause chaos in the backfield.

    IMO that’s supposed to be Burris’s strength.

    MLB? Burris is a speed rusher.

    Am I way off base here?
    *************

    yeah, i’ve said for a while that burris shuld have been used in the pass rush..

  • Charlie

    Just fire:

    4 Dline(with a 4-3)
    5 Oline

    I believe we have neglected nearly half of our team with high draft picks for the last decade.

  • DJ Johnny

    Charlie and O,

    We are ranked # 9 in the league as far OLine goes and Palmer really hasn’t been under that much duress..(the injury in Carolina not withstanding).

    I agree it needs some work, but might our efforts be better utilized elsewhere in more areas of need?

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Charlie Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:21 am
    Raider O

    I like it.

    The Oline needs to wait till 2014. Bergstrom for Carlisle and we max protect for Barnes?

    I feel the Oline is the heart of the team and ultimately wins Super Bowls but we can be competitive more quickly with a great D.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    We have a lot of needs, so I doubt we can fix them all in one off season:
    Needs:
    1- OC
    2- Pass rusher
    3- DT/ NT
    4- CB
    5- LB
    6- OG/ C
    7- RT
    8- TE (Myers is a FA)

  • dr_robert

    we really NEED to trade down and make sure we gets more picks.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:24 am
    Did Porter even play this year?

    Sounds like Ron Bartell 2.0
    $$$$$$$$$$$

    Portet!!!

  • DJ Johnny

    910.dr_robert Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:23 am
    Raider O Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:06 am
    Te’o reminds me of McClain. Big and lacks speed, plays behind a good DL, so I’m not sold on the kid.
    ****************
    he isnt like mcclain at all. great kid and leader.

    Definitely. Teo is not the type of guy to dog it.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    DJ Johnny Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:26 am
    Charlie and O,

    We are ranked # 9 in the league as far OLine goes and Palmer really hasn’t been under that much duress..(the injury in Carolina not withstanding).

    I agree it needs some work, but might our efforts be better utilized elsewhere in more areas of need?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    I agree DJ. We need to focus on fixing our defense and adding impact players.

  • Scourge

    Raider O Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Didn’t he play DT in Penn?
    ================================
    yeah, played DT at PSU. I remember seeing him in the hallway of the dorm we lived in one day with his girlfriend at time. He was huge! Took up most of the hallway. Kinda funny standing next to his girlfriend, who I believe was a gymnast. (I thought it was funny *to myself*)

  • Just Fire Baby

    I believe we have neglected nearly half of our team with high draft picks for the last decade.

    ********************

    1st rounder for Big Dick, 2nd for Houston, 2nd for Wiz, 3rd for Veldheer and Shaughnessy.

    Not the case at all.

    We spend one 1st round on McClain and Huff, and then try to surround them with 4th and 5th rounders or worse.

    Plenty of holes around the team, but pigeon-holing a draft position is how you end up with Blaine Gabbert with the 10th pick.

  • Charlie

    Millen was a DT for Penn State.

    He was a great ILB BEHIND A REALLY SOLID DLINE.
    Alzado, Kinlaw, Long, Pickel, Townsend.

    Great defense starts with the line.

  • boss01

    909.DJ Johnny Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:23 am
    896.boss01 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:17 am
    890.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am
    boss01 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 am
    DA said he is considering moving Burris to MLB next season, this means more than likely they will be looking at a D-lineman with the 1st pick.
    ——-

    That doesn’t sound like a good idea, but bad ideas are what’s expected from DA

    Not sold either

    THIS is where i get demoralized with having DA as our coach going forward.

    What was Burris known for coming out of college? What did we see him do on his featured highlight reel?

    That’s right…RUSH THE PASSER and cause chaos in the backfield.

    IMO that’s supposed to be Burris’s strength.

    MLB? Burris is a speed rusher.

    Am I way off base here?

    ===========

    He is known for having a motor, flying around and getting to the QB off the edge which I did not see all year except for one sorry sack, not sure what DA is thinking or why he used him the way the did, he definitely should have no input on who is drafted. Either get someone like Malauga, or draft Te’o, Burris is definitely not the answer.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Te’o is the same size as McClain, similar speed, and both played behind a good DL in college.
    Similar players IMO.

  • Raider-in-PA

    #913, Porter was having a good season until sidelined…
    Porter is a defensive playmaker, not sure what Bartell’s resume is like..

  • Jackie Bibby

    Larry Grant should be our middle linebacker next year to go along with wheeler and jarvis joness jones. Or id even make a play for both Grant and daryl smith in fa and draft mingo or bjoern werner

  • Al_is_theraiders

    what reggie? no practice squad moves? dont tell me youve given up on the season?

  • boss01

    Another stupid move by DA was moving Wiz 2.0 to center. Mcfadden had the greatest success last year running behind Veldheer – Wiz 2.0 at left guard. Another head scratcher, just like not using Burris as a speed rusher.

  • Charlie

    Just fire

    ROUNDS ONE AND TWO THE LAST 10 YEARS.
    2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
    2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
    2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
    2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
    2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
    2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
    2008 DMAC
    2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
    2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
    2011 Stefan Wiz
    That’s 21 picks. ONLY FIVE WERE ALONG THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. Simple math says that 9 of your 22 starters are lineman which means AT LEAST NINE PICKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR LINEMAN.
    That also assume you make good picks.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Scourge Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:29 am
    Raider O Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Didn’t he play DT in Penn?
    ================================
    yeah, played DT at PSU. I remember seeing him in the hallway of the dorm we lived in one day with his girlfriend at time. He was huge! Took up most of the hallway. Kinda funny standing next to his girlfriend, who I believe was a gymnast. (I thought it was funny *to myself*)
    $$$$$$$$$$$$

    LOL
    I like M Millen
    I also like Gymnasts

  • dr_robert

    Raider O Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:30 am
    Te’o is the same size as McClain, similar speed, and both played behind a good DL in college.
    Similar players IMO.
    *************

    not if u watch them play

  • r8eray

    If Te’o is a Bible-thumper like I’ve heard…he will be a Raider!!

    Just look at what Reggie did last year in the draft!

    “Sweeeeet Baaby Jeesus!”

  • J Hill

    Definitely. Teo is not the type of guy to dog it.

    ————————————————————-

    Everything being said about Teo this year is what was being said abot McClain. EXACT same stuff. 260 is 260 and 260 won’t be all over the field.

    Teo needs to get down to 245.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    You guys see the old man who got BCS tickets from his son?
    Great gift. The hat was nice too.

  • Scourge

    Charlie,

    While I believe the lines are really important for all the reasons you’ve mentioned, I don’t think we should use a lot of high picks on DL/OL candidates. I honestly believe we should send our new scouting dept out to smaller colleges and universities to see if we can pick up some “sleepers” who have a lot of promise. I’m sure there are some nice finds to be made, even for UDFAs. I believe some of these young guys have gone to school at the smaller institutions to get a good education, and, as a result might be smarter than your average high draft pick.

  • Just Fire Baby

    ONLY FIVE WERE ALONG THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE

    ****************************

    I counted 6, plus the 1st spent for Seymour.

    Add Veldheer and Matt S in the third and you got your 9 picks.

    I bet that is more than the Patriots, Steelers, Saints and Giants have used.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:37 am
    ONLY FIVE WERE ALONG THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE

    ****************************

    I counted 6, plus the 1st spent for Seymour.

    Add Veldheer and Matt S in the third and you got your 9 picks.

    I bet that is more than the Patriots, Steelers, Saints and Giants have used.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    I’m not sure about that Pats, but I’m sure it’s more than the steelers, Giants, and Saints who won 5 SBs in the last decade.

  • J Hill

    but pigeon-holing a draft position is how you end up with Blaine Gabbert with the 10th pick.

    ————————————————————–

    But we are talking about at least 4 position with our top 3 pick, not 1.

    9 positions with the 2nd rd pick.

    No pigeon holeing, bruh.

  • Charlie

    As I said. They need to be good picks.
    Seymour was not a 21 y/o hungry player under the rookie cap.

    Not remotely a viable comparison.

    GIANTS/STEELERS DRAFT HISTORY FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS REVEALS THE FOLLOWING:

    The Giants drafted 8 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the past decade.
    What is misleading is when you go back a bit further you find:
    STRAHAN #1
    PETITGOUT #1
    GRAGG #2
    The Giants had the good fortune of getting unusual longevity out of VERY HIGH DRAFT PICKS. AS A RESULT THEY HAD A CORE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO FOCUS ON SKILL GUYS WITH HIGH PICKS BECAUSE THEY HAD BUILT THE CORE OF THEIR LINES IN THE LATE 90’S.

    The Steelers drafted 12 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the last decade.
    BY CONTRAST THE RAIDERS DRAFTED 7 IN THE BOX TYPE PLAYERS WITH HIGH ROUND PICKS. THEY ALSO TRADED AWAY THREE OF THEIR 20 HIGH ROUND PICKS DURING THAT TIME. MOST WERE ALL AVERAGE TO POOR PICKS. BRAYTON,HOWARD,GALLERY,GROVE,McCLAIN. WE CAN BE GENEROUS AND SAY THAT HOUSTON AND WIZ II WERE SUCCESSFUL.
    THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS THAT SUCCESSFUL WINNING FRANCHISES BUILD THE CORE OF THEIR LINES WITH FIRST AND SECOND ROUND PICKS. IF THEY MISS THEY KEEP DOING IT TILL THEY GET IT RIGHT.
    THAT IS WHAT THE RAIDERS USED TO DO AND THEY GOT AWAY FROM IT FOR THE LAST DECADE.

    Conners #2 Schuh #2 Upshaw #1 Thoms #1 Buehler #2 Villapianao #2 Korver #2 Johnson#2
    Lawrence #2 Millen #2 Mosebar #1 Pickell #2

  • dr_robert

    J Hill Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:34 am
    Definitely. Teo is not the type of guy to dog it.

    ————————————————————-

    Everything being said about Teo this year is what was being said abot McClain. EXACT same stuff. 260 is 260 and 260 won’t be all over the field.

    Teo needs to get down to 245.
    ***************

    no. i’ve watched him play every game of his career. he’s a stud. and very quick and reactive. driven. smart and instinctive.

  • Raider-in-PA

    What is really disheartening, AD (RIP) went with such off the wall picks way too early in the drafts(DHB, Mitchell, etc). I understand that the scouting dept didnt even have computers, but the players highly touted by Mike Mayock seem to have worked out in most cases… It seems the Oakland scouts couldve done a better job by simply watching NFLN!! That alone deserves a HUGE ‘C’MON, MAN!!’

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    ROUNDS ONE AND TWO THE LAST 10 YEARS.
    2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
    2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
    2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
    2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
    2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
    2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
    2008 DMAC
    2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
    2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
    2011 Stefan Wiz
    That’s 21 picks. ONLY FIVE WERE ALONG THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. Simple math says that 9 of your 22 starters are lineman which means AT LEAST NINE PICKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR LINEMAN.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Don’t forget trading a 1st for Seymour.
    7 picks were used to acquire Linemen.
    Not bad. Like you said, there are 22 starters, so we can’t invest every pick on linemen.

  • Charlie

    Raider PA

    Absolutely correct.
    See my 942 post.

    You must draft well and focus on the in the box talent first.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    J Hill Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:34 am
    Definitely. Teo is not the type of guy to dog it.

    ————————————————————-

    Everything being said about Teo this year is what was being said abot McClain. EXACT same stuff. 260 is 260 and 260 won’t be all over the field.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Exactly.

  • boss01

    944.Raider O Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 8:48 am
    ROUNDS ONE AND TWO THE LAST 10 YEARS.
    2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
    2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
    2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
    2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
    2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
    2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
    2008 DMAC
    2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
    2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
    2011 Stefan Wiz
    That’s 21 picks. ONLY FIVE WERE ALONG THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. Simple math says that 9 of your 22 starters are lineman which means AT LEAST NINE PICKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR LINEMAN.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Don’t forget trading a 1st for Seymour.
    7 picks were used to acquire Linemen.
    Not bad. Like you said, there are 22 starters, so we can’t invest every pick on linemen.

    ===========

    Out of those 21 picks in 10 drafts, ONLY 1 PRO BOWLER!!! I have been saying all along, this is the WHY for the current sad state of affairs.

  • Charlie

    Raider O

    As I said earlier trading for Seymour is not what I am suggesting.
    That was a bad move.

    Comparing Ngata with Seymour is not valid. That was questionable at the time of the deal and has proven even more so with experience.

    Further 7 is not enough when our competition is doing more of it and is better at it.

    Just look at the Colts and what their first and second picks were spent on over the last four years.

  • The_Judge37

    Seymour was a good Raider. Tommy Kelly and his intrest in only getting sacks was our biggest problem and the weak LBs.

  • ron69

    I think in RM’s mind are 3 players: Moore, Star and Werner, i believe he’ll take the safest pick and that is Bjoern Werner.