Five players not at practice today
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, December 26th, 2012 at 12:08 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Quarterback Carson Palmer, right guard Mike Brisiel, cornerback Phillip Adams, defensive tackle Richard Seymour and strong safety Tyvon Branch aren’t practicing today.
Palmer definitely won’t play Sunday against the San Diego Chargers in the regular-season finale. Seymour haas missed the past seven games, and it’s likely that he won’t play this Sunday, either.
As for Brisiel (concussion), Adams (groin) and Branch (ankle(, they stand a decent chance of making it back in time for the Chargers game.
Terrelle Pryor and Matt Leinart are taking reps with the first-team offense today, with coach Dennis Allen saying he will see how both perform in practice this week before deciding which will start in place of Palmer.
Palmer suffered broken ribs and a bruised lung against the Carolina Panthers, and he already has been ruled out.
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December 26th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Pro Bowl Raiders: Jano, Condo, Reece.
Alternate: Myers.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
fire reggie and DA now!!! 9 and whine…
December 26th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
97.KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 11:59 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Darrius Heward-Bodycatch is going to be untradable.
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He did have some extraordinary catches this year…he just has problems with the ordinary “YOU HAVE TO CATCH” this pass to be in the nfl type plays.
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Crabtree made catches each week. That’s his job. That’s DHB’s job. DHB didn’t do his job.
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I laughed out loud when Crabtree took that out route from Kaepernick the distance against the Patriots. So many in here told me I was crazy because he wasn’t fast enough and only ran bubble screens in a gimmick offense in college.
Never mind that the kid has maybe the best hands in the league and actually catches the ball when it’s thrown to him. I think he currently leads all NFL WRs in receptions that result in first downs.
But hey, he didn’t run an 4.3 so we didn’t need him, lol.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Crabtree has more catches than all the Raider receivers combined.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Crabtree has more catches than all the Raider receivers combined.
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He didn’t want to play for us though. Who knows how he would have conducted himself here. coulda been great….Coulda been a check casher too, just never know.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
97.KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 11:59 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Darrius Heward-Bodycatch is going to be untradable.
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He did have some extraordinary catches this year…he just has problems with the ordinary “YOU HAVE TO CATCH” this pass to be in the nfl type plays.
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Crabtree made catches each week. That’s his job. That’s DHB’s job. DHB didn’t do his job.
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I laughed out loud when Crabtree took that out route from Kaepernick the distance against the Patriots. So many in here told me I was crazy because he wasn’t fast enough and only ran bubble screens in a gimmick offense in college.
Never mind that the kid has maybe the best hands in the league and actually catches the ball when it’s thrown to him. I think he currently leads all NFL WRs in receptions that result in first downs.
But hey, he didn’t run an 4.3 so we didn’t need him, lol.
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Totally different players with different skill sets. A smart coach wouldnt even attempt to compare the players and use them the same way. Crabtree has very good hands. Best hands in the league? I think Larry Fitzgerald would have something to say about that, but yes, he can catch. DHB on the other hand, while he doesnt have the hands that Crabtree has, definitely makes up for it in explosiveness. DHB is a complete beast with the YAC, its just a matter of getting him the ball in the right situations. Again, comes down to coaching, play calling, and how players are used. Crabtree is having a solid season, no doubt. Good for that young man. But it doesnt mean that he would be doing the same thing here. It also doesnt mean that he would have been a better pick for what we do. All we have to do is go back to last season:
DHB 64 catches, 975 yards, 15.2 yards per catch.
Crabtree 72 catches, 874 yards, 12.1 per catch.
Paints a different picture, doesnt it.
DHB can still be effective. You just have to know what to do with him, how and where to get him the ball. Hue knew how to do that. DA and Knapp dont.
Again, Crabtree is having a solid season, but lets not try to act like he is light years better than DHB. Thats not being very objectionable.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
4.KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Crabtree has more catches than all the Raider receivers combined.
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Saying this blind, but I’d bet he has more first down catches than all Raider WRs combined as well.
About the only receiver we have that’s played decently and consistently this year is our TE. Believe it or not, Myers leads all AFC tight ends in receptions.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
FIRE THE CADRE!
FREE PRYOR!
FREE TIAWAN!
FREE AUSBERRY!
December 26th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
DUMP THE CHECK CASHERS!
December 26th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
FIRE T1T5!
BRING BACK GRUDEN HUE OR CABLE!
(I’LL TAKE ANY OF THEM OVER THIS FLAMING DUMPSTER TRASH HEAP!)
December 26th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Reggie quote;
“You want the players to doggone take it upon themselves and run it. We’re not at that level.”
When PLAYERS are making the kind of money I have shown on previous posts (repeated below), there needs to be some self motivation.
Laying the blame of players not performing exclusively on coaches is not a valid.
It may be your opinion but not a valid one.
The new regime is getting rid of overpaid/under performing players. The coaches will stay.
Talent is 80% of the equation. Coaches are about 20%.
Any coaches on our staff making the following????
Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
December 26th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Can’t beat the Knapp horse enough, but let’s fire John DeFilippo also.
This is the guy who’s taught Jamarcus Russell, Mark Sanchez and Terrelle Pryor everything they don’t know
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Not sure I can join you in the fire DeFilippo thing.
I don’t think any QB coach could have helped JaMoron.
Sanchez just stinks too, and I don’t think all the coaching in the world can change that.
Honestly don’t know how he’s doing with TP.
Used to get a kick out of the numerous posters here that would just blast Sanjay Lal as being a terrible WR coach when they really had no idea of whether he was good or not.
They saw rcvrs run into each other one time and DHB dropping passes and assumed Lal was a dog of a coach.
I’ve never seen Defilippo at work. Don’t know what his style is. How he relates to players. If he knows what he’s talking about or is an effective communicator.
Tell you something else Judge37, and you might find this hard to believe…
I was watching the NFL Network last year, and they had a crew out to televise the drills that were going on before one of the College All Star games…
They’ve got some coaches wired so we can hear what’s being said during the drills…
One of the coaches was none other than GREGG KRAPP…
And unbelievably, he actually wasn’t bad.
Was pretty organized and communicated clearly and concisely.
Had good command and ran the drills well.
Now of course we both know he’s an absolute POS OC, maybe the worst ever…
I just bring this up to point out that even a turd like Krapp might be decent as a position coach.
Also wanted to tell you that I got a good laugh out of your ‘question for DA’ post the other day…
“Didn’t I tell you to go fk yourself ?’ had me in stiches.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
@John David Booty
Also it would be interesting to see DHB lining up with Vernon Davis, Walker, Manningham and Moss next to him.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
JDB,
Nobody’s talking about using them the same way. I was adamant that we needed a possesion receiver when Crabtree was available. We needed (and still do) a guy that can make the tough catch on third down to move the chains, and someone that can catch the ball if it’s not thrown perfectly.
As far as skillset goes, I think you have to start with the ability to catch the football. Doesn’t matter how explosive you are if you let the ball clank off your hands or bounce off the spot between the 8 and the 5. DHB is a nice kid and he works very hard, and yes he is fast and physical. He does not catch the ball consistently enough to be a top-level receiver in the NFL, however, and has proven that time and again.
You can have your two plays a game where “if he catches it he could score”. I’ll take the guy that catches everything and moves the chains.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
EXCUSES EXCUSES
8-8 AND 8-8 >>>>>>>>> 4 -12
DENNIS ALLEN IS A SMOLDERING DUMPSTER FIRE
K-KRAPP IS A ROTTING COMPOST PILE
TIME TO MOVE ON DOT ORG!
December 26th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Talent is 80% of the equation. Coaches are about 20%.
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THAT, sir, is an opinion. And in MY opinion, not a very good one. But we are all entitled.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
80/20 BS DEBUNKED
SINGLETARY 49ERS
NEXT YEAR…
HARBAUGH 49ERS
CASE CLOSED
AT THIS LEVEL IT IS…
COACHING 80%/PLAYERS 20%
December 26th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Can’t beat the Knapp horse enough, but let’s fire John DeFilippo also.
This is the guy who’s taught Jamarcus Russell, Mark Sanchez and Terrelle Pryor everything they don’t know
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Not sure I can join you in the fire DeFilippo thing.
I don’t think any QB coach could have helped JaMoron.
Sanchez just stinks too, and I don’t think all the coaching in the world can change that.
Don’t know how he’s doing with TP.
Used to get a kick out of the numerous posters here that would just blast Sanjay Lal as being a terrible WR coach when they really had no idea of whether he was good or not.
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Well we know what he’s doing with Pryor. In a full offseason that includes OTA’s, Training Camp, Preseason and 15 weeks of Regular season, TP is “NOt even close to ready”
Also, Lal hasn’t got anything out of NYJ WR’s. Sure both cores lack talent but our WR’s got worse every year.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Also wanted to tell you that I got a good laugh out of your ‘question for DA’ post the other day…
“Didn’t I tell you to go fk yourself ?’ had me in stiches.
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Thanks, but i have to give credit to Joe Pesci in Goodfellas for that one. “Bing, pow, boom”
December 26th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
DHB can still be effective. You just have to know what to do with him, how and where to get him the ball. Hue knew how to do that. DA and Knapp dont.
Again, Crabtree is having a solid season, but lets not try to act like he is light years better than DHB. Thats not being very objectionable
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DHB is a freakin bust…face facts! Explosive??? Explosive getting in line for a paycheck on payday! Has had opportunities to be and NFL WR, catches with his torso instead of hands! Beating DB’s downfield is one thing, catching footballs would greatly enhance his abilities!
December 26th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Tuck rule
Gross over simpification.
You have not made a case. The Niners were not in the position described below when Harbaugh joined.
This is why experienced NFL HC’s or administrators did not want anything to do with Raider “OPPORTUNITIES” when the positions were open earlier in 2012.
Below is a summary of how disastrous our cap situation was and what Reggie has had to deal with.
It was created over several years as we continued to draft poorly, over rate free agents and pay far above market value for very little production. The cap issues alone are a three year project. Forget about aging players that lack talent to compete at the NFL level. That is a draft problem that is a multiyear fix as well given our lack of picks.
As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. That is easily the most money ever spent on a team in the history of the NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN.”
“In general manager Reggie McKenzie’s first offseason with the team, HIS HANDS WERE ESSENTIALLY TIED DUE TO A TOUGH SALARY CAP AND VERY FEW DRAFT PICKS. IN THE 2013 DRAFT, THE RAIDERS WILL HAVE MORE SELECTIONS, AS WELL AS A FIRST-ROUND PICK FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2010.”
“The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
“The Raiders knew they were taking a risk extending the players they did prior to the lockout.”
December 26th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Crabtree has more catches than all the Raider receivers combined.
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Poor JaMarcus!
December 26th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
craptrees best year is already behind him…(this year)…imagine dhb with a real oc? better yet imagine craptree with DA…yeah…lol
December 26th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
John David
Any coaches on our staff making the salaries below????
Tell me when the coaches make up 80% of the Raider payroll. Not opinion, just what the munbers say.
Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
December 26th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
JDB,
Nobody’s talking about using them the same way. I was adamant that we needed a possesion receiver when Crabtree was available. We needed (and still do) a guy that can make the tough catch on third down to move the chains, and someone that can catch the ball if it’s not thrown perfectly.
As far as skillset goes, I think you have to start with the ability to catch the football. Doesn’t matter how explosive you are if you let the ball clank off your hands or bounce off the spot between the 8 and the 5. DHB is a nice kid and he works very hard, and yes he is fast and physical. He does not catch the ball consistently enough to be a top-level receiver in the NFL, however, and has proven that time and again.
You can have your two plays a game where “if he catches it he could score”. I’ll take the guy that catches everything and moves the chains.
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Id take the guy that “catches” everything too. But Michael Crabtree, that is not. Again, I agree he has good hands, but where youre getting the idea that he “catches everything in sight” is beyond me. Wait, are you going off of Harbaughs comment, saying Crabs has the best hands hes ever seen? I certainly hope not. Ive seen Crabtree drop his share of catchable balls, just like every NFL WR. His catch rate, per passes thrown to him since he got in the league have been 56% in 2009, 55% in 2010, and 64% last year. Not great, not horrible. About average.
DHB only being able to get 2 catches and turn one is misleading as well. He had 3 100 yard games last year, not All Pro stats, but evidence of ability. Also 7 catches for 99 yards in a win over The playoff Texans. 8 for 155 against DET. Point is, the man has ability. You just have to know how to get production out of your players. A good coach knows how. A clueless coach can definitely make good players look average, and average players look bad. Just like a good coach can make bad players look average and average players look good. They also make good players great.
At the end of the day, neither are world class WRs to me, but they both can be good #2 WR’s, depending on how theyre used, and what system theyre in. Id still be more inclined to go with DHB, based on his ability. Crabtree, what you see is what you get. DHB, I dont feel has tapped out his potential yet. But again, its all opinion. I just dont regret taking DHB over Crabtree.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
97.KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 11:59 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Darrius Heward-Bodycatch is going to be untradable.
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He did have some extraordinary catches this year…he just has problems with the ordinary “YOU HAVE TO CATCH” this pass to be in the nfl type plays.
================
Crabtree made catches each week. That’s his job. That’s DHB’s job. DHB didn’t do his job.
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I laughed out loud when Crabtree took that out route from Kaepernick the distance against the Patriots. So many in here told me I was crazy because he wasn’t fast enough and only ran bubble screens in a gimmick offense in college.
Never mind that the kid has maybe the best hands in the league and actually catches the ball when it’s thrown to him. I think he currently leads all NFL WRs in receptions that result in first downs.
But hey, he didn’t run an 4.3 so we didn’t need him, lol.
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Totally different players with different skill sets. A smart coach wouldnt even attempt to compare the players and use them the same way. Crabtree has very good hands. Best hands in the league? I think Larry Fitzgerald would have something to say about that, but yes, he can catch. DHB on the other hand, while he doesnt have the hands that Crabtree has, definitely makes up for it in explosiveness. DHB is a complete beast with the YAC, its just a matter of getting him the ball in the right situations. Again, comes down to coaching, play calling, and how players are used. Crabtree is having a solid season, no doubt. Good for that young man. But it doesnt mean that he would be doing the same thing here. It also doesnt mean that he would have been a better pick for what we do. All we have to do is go back to last season:
DHB 64 catches, 975 yards, 15.2 yards per catch.
Crabtree 72 catches, 874 yards, 12.1 per catch.
Paints a different picture, doesnt it.
DHB can still be effective. You just have to know what to do with him, how and where to get him the ball. Hue knew how to do that. DA and Knapp dont.
Again, Crabtree is having a solid season, but lets not try to act like he is light years better than DHB. Thats not being very objectionable.
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Crabtree is ligt years ahead of DHB! Always has been and always will be. Let’s not pretend that “explosiveness” trumps skill at that position.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
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Keep Jano, and Houston, everyone else restructure or adios send us postcards!
December 26th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
CHARLIE:
I COUNTER ARGUE THAT YOU AND THE OTHER “5 YR PLAN DEBBIE DOWNERS” WHO POST HERE GROSSLY -OVER- COMPLICATE.
AS FOR NO ONE WANTING TO COME HERE WHEN JIM H WAS AVAIALBLE.
2 REASON.
1. AL DAVIS. HAVING AN 80 YEAR OLD DC RUNNING 60S STYLE BALL WILL SCARE MOST COACHES AWAY. FOR GOOD REASON.
2. PAYING THEM 50 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR SCARES EVERYONE ELSE (SAVE FOR HUNGRY ROOKIES AND RE-TREADS- IE WHAT WE GOT EVERY TIME)
AGAIN. SIMPLE. NOT COMPLICATED.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Tuckrulefool FOOL:
Stop with the uppercase letters. That’s what kindergarden and 1st graders do. Dumbass.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
K0.0L KELL:
BLOW ME
December 26th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Tuck rule.
I was referring to the most recent hiring of this staff when the position was open after Mr. Davis passed away.2012.
You are correct that the examples I cited for individuals “blowing us off” prior were with Mr. Davis doing the hiring.
As I pointed out in my post. Why did not Gruden or Del Rio jump at the chance in 2012?
VERY BAD SITUATION!!!!
December 26th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Can’t beat the Knapp horse enough, but let’s fire John DeFilippo also.
This is the guy who’s taught Jamarcus Russell, Mark Sanchez and Terrelle Pryor everything they don’t know
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Not sure I can join you in the fire DeFilippo thing.
I don’t think any QB coach could have helped JaMoron.
Sanchez just stinks too, and I don’t think all the coaching in the world can change that.
Don’t know how he’s doing with TP.
Used to get a kick out of the numerous posters here that would just blast Sanjay Lal as being a terrible WR coach when they really had no idea of whether he was good or not.
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Well we know what he’s doing with Pryor. In a full offseason that includes OTA’s, Training Camp, Preseason and 15 weeks of Regular season, TP is “NOt even close to ready”
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Actually, you DON’T know what he’s doing with Pryor. Pryor has zero experience in a pro-style offense and his throwing mechanics and footwork coming out of college were a mess.
The whole fascination with blaming everyone in the organization for Pryor not being ready to play in the league (or not playing him because they’re “afraid” he might be good) is amazing to me. Even the guy that drafted him told him that he’d have to be patient and wait his turn, and by most accounts Al was the only GM in the league that would have spent even a third-rounder on him.
For all you know, DeFillippo could be doing a great job with Pryor. Believe it or not, it might actually be true that he’s not yet ready to be an NFL quarterback.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Pryor should start and play the whole game.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
JDB,
Nobody’s talking about using them the same way. I was adamant that we needed a possesion receiver when Crabtree was available. We needed (and still do) a guy that can make the tough catch on third down to move the chains, and someone that can catch the ball if it’s not thrown perfectly.
As far as skillset goes, I think you have to start with the ability to catch the football. Doesn’t matter how explosive you are if you let the ball clank off your hands or bounce off the spot between the 8 and the 5. DHB is a nice kid and he works very hard, and yes he is fast and physical. He does not catch the ball consistently enough to be a top-level receiver in the NFL, however, and has proven that time and again.
You can have your two plays a game where “if he catches it he could score”. I’ll take the guy that catches everything and moves the chains.
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Id take the guy that “catches” everything too. But Michael Crabtree, that is not. Again, I agree he has good hands, but where youre getting the idea that he “catches everything in sight” is beyond me. Wait, are you going off of Harbaughs comment, saying Crabs has the best hands hes ever seen? I certainly hope not. Ive seen Crabtree drop his share of catchable balls, just like every NFL WR. His catch rate, per passes thrown to him since he got in the league have been 56% in 2009, 55% in 2010, and 64% last year. Not great, not horrible. About average.
DHB only being able to get 2 catches and turn one is misleading as well. He had 3 100 yard games last year, not All Pro stats, but evidence of ability. Also 7 catches for 99 yards in a win over The playoff Texans. 8 for 155 against DET. Point is, the man has ability. You just have to know how to get production out of your players. A good coach knows how. A clueless coach can definitely make good players look average, and average players look bad. Just like a good coach can make bad players look average and average players look good. They also make good players great.
At the end of the day, neither are world class WRs to me, but they both can be good #2 WR’s, depending on how theyre used, and what system theyre in. Id still be more inclined to go with DHB, based on his ability. Crabtree, what you see is what you get. DHB, I dont feel has tapped out his potential yet. But again, its all opinion. I just dont regret taking DHB over Crabtree.
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Only a complete dumbass would say this.
Change your name to John David head up his ass Booty.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
lol at saying Crabtree doesnt catch everything.
Crabtree is 10x the PURE WR DHB is.
Period. End of story. DHB was a wasted pick just like all the other picks were.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
K0.0L KELL:
BLOW ME
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Sorry pootbutt, not my thing. See Dr. Robert for that.
December 26th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Pryor should start and play the whole game.
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yeah SHOULD…….but Prolly WON’T
December 26th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
December 26th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
lol at saying Crabtree doesnt catch everything.
Crabtree is 10x the PURE WR DHB is.
Period. End of story. DHB was a wasted pick just like all the other picks were.
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Maybe that #7 pick that year would have made the offense work if we had taken Crabtree instead. JaMarcus didn’t have one reciever during his time here that would have been a #4 guy on any other team in the league. Crabtree would have changed that.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Actually, you DON’T know what he’s doing with Pryor. Pryor has zero experience in a pro-style offense and his throwing mechanics and footwork coming out of college were a mess.
The whole fascination with blaming everyone in the organization for Pryor not being ready to play in the league (or not playing him because they’re “afraid” he might be good) is amazing to me. Even the guy that drafted him told him that he’d have to be patient and wait his turn, and by most accounts Al was the only GM in the league that would have spent even a third-rounder on him.
For all you know, DeFillippo could be doing a great job with Pryor. Believe it or not, it might actually be true that he’s not yet ready to be an NFL quarterback.
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Of course it’s all speculation. But fact is, Pryor does have a history of success at QB, while not in the NFL, it’s still some history.
DeFilippo on the other hand, has absolutley not history of success at any level. Aside from his stunning resume of NFL QB’s under his tutlage, he’s never been a QB coach at any level for longer than 2 years.
Sure Pryor is a complete project. But no reason he should’ve made 0 progress in a full year. But we really don’t know since we’ve not seen him play. However he did get closer to throwing a TD Pass last week to Reese than Lienart did all game.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
even the cards can name a starting qb on wed..
December 26th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Also wanted to tell you that I got a good laugh out of your ‘question for DA’ post the other day…
“Didn’t I tell you to go fk yourself ?’ had me in stiches.
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Thanks, but i have to give credit to Joe Pesci in Goodfellas for that one. “Bing, pow, boom”
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LOL, I knew it was from Goodfellas.
Still thought the way you brought it into the ‘ask Tits’ conversation was ‘amusing’.
You really are a funny guy !
December 26th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Also wanted to tell you that I got a good laugh out of your ‘question for DA’ post the other day…
“Didn’t I tell you to go fk yourself ?’ had me in stiches.
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Thanks, but i have to give credit to Joe Pesci in Goodfellas for that one. “Bing, pow, boom”
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LOL, I knew it was from Goodfellas.
Still thought the way you brought it into the ‘ask Tits’ conversation was ‘amusing’.
You really are a funny guy !
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Thank’s, i just wish i had more material that i didn’t have to rag on my own team.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
You really are a funny guy !
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Ahh i see what you did there. LOL
December 26th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Charlie Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
John David
Any coaches on our staff making the salaries below????
Tell me when the coaches make up 80% of the Raider payroll. Not opinion, just what the munbers say.
Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
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Charlie,
Depends on how you view situations. One can look at it and make excuses. Another can look at it and make the most of it. But thats neither here nor there. The #s youre posting are misleading. Every team has players that are making more than the coaches, thats a non-factor.
Seymour, OK, I’ll take that hit. What can you do there?
Carson Palmer is our starting QB, and both the staff and management acknowledged that they were fine with having him, and paying him. No matter what anyone here thinks, the staff STILL BELIEVED in CP. His salary is what teams are gonna pay for a good starting QB. By the way, he also restructured, so his cap hit wasnt 12 mil, it was 4.
Wimbley was cut. Cap hit was 6 mil, not 11 though, so not sure where you got that math. We actually could have kept him for what TEN gave him, but thats another story.
Routt was cut and bought out. Hit was 5 mil, not 10. You cant go off the salary at the start of things, you have to go by the end result to see what the effect on the cap was.
McFadden, 9 mil. Again, I know there are GMs who wouldnt have a problem paying McFadden, Peterson, etc 9 mil. Its all on what you get. Before this season started, and DMac was subject to Knapps playcalls, the whole league had Dmac as #2 behind Peterson. So, I dont think there were any complaints about paying him coming into the year.
Houston and Mitchell have earned their 1 mil salaries, as far as Im concerned. Peanuts. Non-issue.
I dont know, man. Every team has cap issues they have to massage and resolve. Just taking a look at ours, it looks tough, but not impossible.
And those players being paid, they still play football. The cap is not an excuse for the production and poor coaching decisions. It just is what it is. A good coach and GM could handle the situation we had, you cant change my mind on that. We just didnt get a good GM or head coach. It happens. Wish it didnt happen to the Raiders.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
The fact that Pryor is even being considered to start shows that DA has little confidence in Lienart.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
K0.0L KELL:
BLOW ME
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Sorry pootbutt, not my thing. See Dr. Robert for that.
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I nominate for the ibabuzz Post of The Day…
December 26th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
December 26th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
lol at saying Crabtree doesnt catch everything.
Crabtree is 10x the PURE WR DHB is.
Period. End of story. DHB was a wasted pick just like all the other picks were.
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Maybe that #7 pick that year would have made the offense work if we had taken Crabtree instead. JaMarcus didn’t have one reciever during his time here that would have been a #4 guy on any other team in the league. Crabtree would have changed that.
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How would Crabtree have changed that? His first season, he was recovering from an injury, had no training camp, and actually held out most of the season. Wouldnt have been much help to Jamarcus, or the Raiders.
Im I going crazy. When did Crabtree become Andre Johnson? I see he has a lot of fans in here these days.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
The fact that Pryor is even being considered to start shows that DA has little confidence in Lienart.
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Not since Chad Pennington have i seen a QB throw a lob so hard and it only goes 20 yards.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
39.The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Actually, you DON’T know what he’s doing with Pryor. Pryor has zero experience in a pro-style offense and his throwing mechanics and footwork coming out of college were a mess.
The whole fascination with blaming everyone in the organization for Pryor not being ready to play in the league (or not playing him because they’re “afraid” he might be good) is amazing to me. Even the guy that drafted him told him that he’d have to be patient and wait his turn, and by most accounts Al was the only GM in the league that would have spent even a third-rounder on him.
For all you know, DeFillippo could be doing a great job with Pryor. Believe it or not, it might actually be true that he’s not yet ready to be an NFL quarterback.
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Of course it’s all speculation. But fact is, Pryor does have a history of success at QB, while not in the NFL, it’s still some history.
DeFilippo on the other hand, has absolutley not history of success at any level. Aside from his stunning resume of NFL QB’s under his tutlage, he’s never been a QB coach at any level for longer than 2 years.
Sure Pryor is a complete project. But no reason he should’ve made 0 progress in a full year. But we really don’t know since we’ve not seen him play. However he did get closer to throwing a TD Pass last week to Reese than Lienart did all game.
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The world is full of QBs that had success in college and couldn’t make it in the pros. Ohio State probably has more than anyone else. They win 10-12 games virtually every year, regardless of who’s under center.
I’ll say it again; you simply cannot state with any credibility that Pryor has made zero progress under DeFillippo. In fact, both Allen and Knapp have said publicly that he HAS gotten better.
I just wish that people in here would remember that Pryor was an acknowleged project when he was drafted, and that miracle overnight development, particularly at his position, just doesn’t happen. I’d love for the kid to put it together and hope he does, but I also saw him play in college and in my humble opinion he has a lot of work to do to get to NFL starter level.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
JDB,
Nobody’s talking about using them the same way. I was adamant that we needed a possesion receiver when Crabtree was available. We needed (and still do) a guy that can make the tough catch on third down to move the chains, and someone that can catch the ball if it’s not thrown perfectly.
As far as skillset goes, I think you have to start with the ability to catch the football. Doesn’t matter how explosive you are if you let the ball clank off your hands or bounce off the spot between the 8 and the 5. DHB is a nice kid and he works very hard, and yes he is fast and physical. He does not catch the ball consistently enough to be a top-level receiver in the NFL, however, and has proven that time and again.
You can have your two plays a game where “if he catches it he could score”. I’ll take the guy that catches everything and moves the chains.
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Id take the guy that “catches” everything too. But Michael Crabtree, that is not. Again, I agree he has good hands, but where youre getting the idea that he “catches everything in sight” is beyond me. Wait, are you going off of Harbaughs comment, saying Crabs has the best hands hes ever seen? I certainly hope not. Ive seen Crabtree drop his share of catchable balls, just like every NFL WR. His catch rate, per passes thrown to him since he got in the league have been 56% in 2009, 55% in 2010, and 64% last year. Not great, not horrible. About average.
DHB only being able to get 2 catches and turn one is misleading as well. He had 3 100 yard games last year, not All Pro stats, but evidence of ability. Also 7 catches for 99 yards in a win over The playoff Texans. 8 for 155 against DET. Point is, the man has ability. You just have to know how to get production out of your players. A good coach knows how. A clueless coach can definitely make good players look average, and average players look bad. Just like a good coach can make bad players look average and average players look good. They also make good players great.
At the end of the day, neither are world class WRs to me, but they both can be good #2 WR’s, depending on how theyre used, and what system theyre in. Id still be more inclined to go with DHB, based on his ability. Crabtree, what you see is what you get. DHB, I dont feel has tapped out his potential yet. But again, its all opinion. I just dont regret taking DHB over Crabtree.
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Only a complete dumbass would say this.
Change your name to John David head up his ass Booty.
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Again,
DHB 64 catches, 975 yards, 15.2 yards per catch.
Crabtree 72 catches, 874 yards, 12.1 per catch.
You can suck Crabtree’s n*ts. Thats your prerogative. I actually watch football and can comprehend whats taking place without having to fall in line with popular blog opinion.
I’ll hold off on the insults, you get enough of that. But try to get slick tongued with me again, and it wont end so well. You are way too easy of a target. Dont f#ck with me, buddy. Im not the one.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
I see KK had some left over eggnog…
December 26th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
The world is full of QBs that had success in college and couldn’t make it in the pros. Ohio State probably has more than anyone else. They win 10-12 games virtually every year, regardless of who’s under center.
I’ll say it again; you simply cannot state with any credibility that Pryor has made zero progress under DeFillippo. In fact, both Allen and Knapp have said publicly that he HAS gotten better.
I just wish that people in here would remember that Pryor was an acknowleged project when he was drafted, and that miracle overnight development, particularly at his position, just doesn’t happen. I’d love for the kid to put it together and hope he does, but I also saw him play in college and in my humble opinion he has a lot of work to do to get to NFL starter level.
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I know he’s a project, and i don’t expect him to be RGIII or even Cam at this point. But coaches saying he’s improved, then contradicting themselves by saying he’s “Not even Close” is another thing.
All i’m saying is they’re not even giving him a chance with a guy like DeFilippo and Knapp. Neither have had any history of success, they’re resumes support that.
Knapp has never lasted longer than 3 years as OC, his offenses production and rank drop each year.
DeFIlippo has not lasted more than 2 years at the NFL or Collegiate level. But maybe it’s just coincidence that he’s coached the worst QB’s in NFL history at every stop.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I don’t want to come off as completely supporting players and blaming coaches. But rather that bad decisions have been made at both ends. Bad Drafts, bad FA’s and Bad coaching hires are all to blame for this embarrassment of a season.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Lincoln Kennedy had some harsh words regarding Pryor… Said he is not the answer, and that he thinks Reggie will find us a QB in this draft,wow…
December 26th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
in mid rounds…
December 26th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Dan78 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
in mid rounds…
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Why does everyone want us to build in the mid rounds. I’ve heard, “Let’s get our QB, RT, OG, and CB in the mid rounds”
December 26th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
John
My position is that the Raider situation is unlike any that has occurred in the history of the NFL.
We got a rookie GM and HC because of it.
It is obviously speculation on my part that a seasoned GM or coach would not have done much better GIVEN OUR REALITY.
We obviously will never know.
We do know that we had to offer 4 year deals to guys that had never done it before to get them to take on what is obviously more than a one year restoration project.
That all being said, I am pointing out that this a very serious, complex issue that is far bigger than if Knapp stays or goes and will take 3-5 to get us to the playoffs.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
The world is full of QBs that had success in college and couldn’t make it in the pros. Ohio State probably has more than anyone else. They win 10-12 games virtually every year, regardless of who’s under center.
I’ll say it again; you simply cannot state with any credibility that Pryor has made zero progress under DeFillippo. In fact, both Allen and Knapp have said publicly that he HAS gotten better.
I just wish that people in here would remember that Pryor was an acknowleged project when he was drafted, and that miracle overnight development, particularly at his position, just doesn’t happen. I’d love for the kid to put it together and hope he does, but I also saw him play in college and in my humble opinion he has a lot of work to do to get to NFL starter level.
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I know he’s a project, and i don’t expect him to be RGIII or even Cam at this point. But coaches saying he’s improved, then contradicting themselves by saying he’s “Not even Close” is another thing.
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Not a contradiction at all. He can improve and still not be close to being considered starter material.
Cam Newton, RGIII, Russell Wilson, et al, all showed the ability to throw the ball with accuracy and consistency in college, and have demonstrated the same ability in the pros. Regardless of athletic ability, they would not be having the success they are having were they not able to execute in the passing game. Look at Jake Locker; everyone raved about his athleticism and arm strength coming out of UW. However, if you watched him play there you would have seen major accuracy issues and questionable decision making in almost every game.
Pryor has work to do, and maybe a lot. I suppose that could be disappointing if you want him to be your starter right now, but it is what it is.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I want Pryor to play just because I already know what Lienart has to offer. And it would make the last game of the season at least fun to watch, which is all i ask at this point.
Personally i’d rather they just make the switch, and get some production out of him as a Pass Catcher.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Sure Crabtree is a pure rec’r but he has been as much a disappointment to the Niners as has DHB been here. They thought they had a top notch #1 in Crabtree and he’s not been even close to that. He’s slow and catches underneath passes and you can get that in a mid-rndr so to be honest neither player has been worth what either team paid for.
You can be a fan of either or a hater of both but not a whole lot of difference between the two in terms of career so far.
As far as Pryor is concerned people need to understand what the interest means. No One is saying He’s ready in the first place but those anti-Pryor fans just don’t get it. Of course he’s not ready he hasn’t played more than 10 downs in the NFL. So stop telling us he’s NOT READY. We know that!!
All we’re saying is we’d like to see them GET HIM READY how many times need we state that for those with plugged ears get the message. Fans want to see what the GM wants to see whether they have a player they can develope.
It’s as if you guys either can’t read or don’t comprehend the concept. Players need to be developed and in a 4-11 season why not see what the young talent has to offer. If you don’t like that dmmit don’t watch but the GM has spoken and so have the fans.
Another thing the kid has improved based on the OC’s own assesment NOT OURS. He has said he works very hard and has improved what about that doesn’t meet your approval and why would they be considering starting him inthe face of Palmers injury if he wasn’t someone they thought had a real shot. Why wouldn’t they just start Leinart and be done with it?
For cryin’ out loud……..some of you need to get a freakin’ clue about this. Pryor is and entriguing prospect an dif that bothers you. …………tough!
He’s a true Raider in that he’s the only QB we have that was drafted by the late owner. Yet too many of you want him in the basement instead of where he can be seen. The GM never mentioned he wants to see Leinart once did he? He wants to see Pryor so why do you think that is? Because he sucks or he has talent……..period
December 26th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Pryor has work to do, and maybe a lot. I suppose that could be disappointing if you want him to be your starter right now, but it is what it is.
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I want him to be the starter over Matt “Lame Duck” Leinart, that’s all.
My main point was not that Pryor should be a starter by now, it’s that his position Coach is a complete failure at every job he’s held.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
But coaches saying he’s improved, then contradicting themselves by saying he’s “Not even Close” is another thing.
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Those aren’t contradicting comments.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
It’s just crazy how scared some people are of this kid getting snaps as if he plays for another team they hate or something…
December 26th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Lorenzo Oneil & Rod Woodson were saying that “Pryor played at The Ohio State University, and he doesn’t know the first thing about playing QB???????????? Cmon,” they were saying.
They were saying ” RGIII and Cam Newton had perfect footwork when they came into the league?????????
December 26th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Dennis Allen said quarterbacks Matt Leinart and Terrelle Pryor split snaps evenly at practice
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Why did Allen have a change of heart and open up competition after saying Sunday that Pryor wasn’t ready to be a backup quarterback? …
December 26th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Allen: “We got a chance to see what Matt could do” and maybe it’s time to see what Pryor can do.
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Leinart’s poor decision-making Sunday may have forced the issue. The edge he had was experience and comfort in offense, and didn’t show it
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That and Mark Davis prolly tried to slap DA.. still wondering why not just give pryor all the snaps?
December 26th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Dennis Allen said quarterbacks Matt Leinart and Terrelle Pryor split snaps evenly at practice
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Why did Allen have a change of heart and open up competition after saying Sunday that Pryor wasn’t ready to be a backup quarterback? …
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Maybe he does learn something from Game film.
Everytime you watch a replay of Leinart’s throws, the Duck Hunt Dog pops at the bottom of the screen and laughs at you
December 26th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Maybe our little crew cut coaches are having some other problems with Pryor?
December 26th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
ET, Jake Locker and T Pryor are worlds apart IMO Locker had one of the worse senior seasons in recent memory for a1st rnd pick. How they picked that guy is a freakin mystery.
Pryor was selected in the 3rd rnd yet the GM wants to see what he has in the kid. You saying he can’t throw accurately has no bearing on what the GM sees dailey. There is an obvious reason he has said and mandated his being dressed and playing. The HC on the other hand and OC don’t know how to use the kid which is blatantly obvious. It’s probably the sole reason we haven’t seen much of him to this point.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Yet the Pryor haters would prefer to watch that crap from Leinart than Pryor even get a snap……….go figure!
December 26th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Maybe our little crew cut coaches are having some other problems with Pryor?
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Allen probably didnt like the tits boy tattoo in his neck…
December 26th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
If Dennis Allen’s job really depended on playing Pryor like you think Reggie and Mark are demanding, then he’d be playing. I just think Reggie has no real interest in TP, and Mark is too stoned out of his mind to really care.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Dennis Allen said quarterbacks Matt Leinart and Terrelle Pryor split snaps evenly at practice
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Why did Allen have a change of heart and open up competition after saying Sunday that Pryor wasn’t ready to be a backup quarterback? …
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Because he got his ass chewed by the GM who’s tired of waiting to see what he wants to see………….period
December 26th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Dennis Allen said quarterbacks Matt Leinart and Terrelle Pryor split snaps evenly at practice
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Why did Allen have a change of heart and open up competition after saying Sunday that Pryor wasn’t ready to be a backup quarterback? …
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Because he got his ass chewed by the GM who’s tired of waiting to see what he wants to see………….period
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I think that demand came from Mark Davis…
December 26th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
If u dont think Mark Davis wants to see Pryor play u are mistaking. Even in that presser after the saints game he said he liked palmer but had his ideas on who should be starting at qb.
U think he was talking bout lienart? LOL no.. he was talking about his dads last draft pick.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Reggie commenst were I need to see Pryor play to see what he can do, how much he plays is up to the coach. he’s giving the coach respect so it doesn’t look like he’s interferring in the coaching process. However Reggie as I have said many times is a Pryor fan IMO. I think he would like to have a lot more film on Pryor for which to make some org. decisions. The HC is preventing that process and Reggie has had enough………..period
December 26th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
I do not believe Dennis Allen has any intention on starting Pryor this week. What he says to the media is purely lip service to appease the critics. He is just making it seem like he is really looking at the QB situation, when in reality he knows leinart will be under center this sunday.
unfortunetley.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Well does Pryor have a neck tattoo?
Because yeah, that could be a deal breaker with DA.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
I think the demand came from BOTH Mark Davis is not going to allow a talent like Pryor to be wasted. Reggie also has to make sound org. decisions he cannot do that without something on film.
Both want to see him IMHO!
December 26th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
I’ll have to have a talk with ol #72 about that. I’ll make him see.
Pryor will give you a couple of throws where you’re like WTF (he11, so does Carson) but several on a rope in a tight window and he has an arm, so he can pass the deep ball too. Saw a ton of Pryor at OSU. If used properly, what a weapon. Would take a smart, creative coach.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
If u dont think Mark Davis wants to see Pryor play u are mistaking. Even in that presser after the saints game he said he liked palmer but had his ideas on who should be starting at qb.
U think he was talking bout lienart? LOL no.. he was talking about his dads last draft pick.
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Like i said, if DA’s job depended on playing Pryor, he’d be playing. But i guess we’ll find out of Pryor doesn’t play and DA is canned.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
I would get rid of KNapp/ DA way before Pryor
December 26th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
It’s not that his job depends on anything of the such, but I would think if he refuses the GM’s request it would not go over very well………what do you think?
December 26th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Bingo… so we all agree coaching is what is holding this team back.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
I have no doubt Matt Leinart will be named starter. He’s a FA next year and they want to see if he’s a cheap replacement in case they want to move on from CP.
Also because of the track record of incompetence from this Coaching staff, It should be no surprise they would like to see one more game with Matt, just in case they missed something in his previous 7 year career.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Makes sense to start Pryor and get an evaluation of his skils: He is already signed for next year… Leinart only had a one year deal and is not going to be here next season.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
It’s not that his job depends on anything of the such, but I would think if he refuses the GM’s request it would not go over very well………what do you think?
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I agree, which is why if it really was a DEMAND of the GM or Owner, he’d do as he’s told. Really i think there’s just no interest in Pryor form any of the 3 that is genuine. It’s just All talk
December 26th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
kinda curious…who is not from cali in here…
December 26th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Salaries 2012 still remaining:
DT Seymour $14,068,000 – To be released or retired
QB Palmer $12,500,000 To be restructured down
FS Huff $9,828,750 To be restructured or traded
RB McFadden $9,478,833 To be restructured or traded
DT Kelly $8,874,266 To be traded or released
WR DHB $8,159,000 To be restructured or traded
P Lechler $4,900,000 To be released
PK Janikowski $4,500,000 To be restructured down
LB McClain $3,640,000 To be traded or released
OG Carlisle $3,300,000 To retire
DE Houston $1,116,250
SS Mitchell $965,500 To be restructured or traded
December 26th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Makes sense to start Pryor and get an evaluation of his skils: He is already signed for next year… Leinart only had a one year deal and is not going to be here next season.
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WHich is why they want to see what Leinart has to offer. Could do that by evaluating his previous QB gigs, but then that wouldn’t be this Coaching staff’s style.
December 26th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
The contraversy about Pryor playing is so strang to me it’s as if he’s playing for another team they hate.
If he was a corner or a HB or a WR would there be this much debate? Why is he so contraversial because fans want to see the guy? WHY??
Do you guys understand that if this kid is successful it HELPS the Raiders??????? Does that even compute with some of you?
It’s like you would rather see an Lechler than Pryor, if Lechler was starting would there be this much debate and anger?………I just don’t get it.
The seaosn is OVER play everyone they want as far as I’m concerned it’s essentially as preseason game.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Why did Allen have a change of heart and open up competition after saying Sunday that Pryor wasn’t ready to be a backup quarterback? …
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Because DA is a liar
December 26th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
JB Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Salaries 2012 still remaining:
DT Seymour $14,068,000 – To be released or retired
QB Palmer $12,500,000 To be restructured down
FS Huff $9,828,750 – NO TRADE VALUE
RB McFadden $9,478,833 – NO REASON TO BE TRADED
DT Kelly $8,874,266 – NO TRADE VALUE WHAT SO EVER
WR DHB $8,159,000 NO TRADE VALUE
P Lechler $4,900,000 CONTRACT EXPIRES
PK Janikowski $4,500,000 – NO REASON FOR JANO TO ACCEPT
LB McClain $3,640,000 To be traded or released
OG Carlisle $3,300,000 To retire
DE Houston $1,116,250 WORTH THE MONEY
SS Mitchell $965,500 NOT REALLY A CAP HIT
December 26th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
If he was a corner or a HB or a WR would there be this much debate?
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Taiwan Jones and David Ausberry are also omitted, to the (only mild) outrage of fans.
QB is most important position, therefore, demands the most outrage I suppose.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
F DA, he is a lying sniveling bich…fire him and mckenzie
December 26th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Bring back AL Davis….
December 26th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Pryor , Ausberry, Taiwan jones/ DMAC should all be playing.
Line up Reece in the slot. Guess that would be to much for Knapp tho
December 26th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
DA = pencil neck traitor. Should not be the HC of the Raids. I do not like him 1 bit. He relies on all people greg fukin offense take a dirt nap.
GTFOH
December 26th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
As far as personnel decisions go, I give the regime a passing grade based on the McClain situation. Dude might look a beast on a highlight reel of plays that resulted in a ruptured spleen, but we all know that he was a TERRIBLE middle LB.
The name Omar Gaither might not sound sexy to any of you, but the bottom line is, NO TEAM has hit a home run straight up the gut on us since he replaced Slolando.
If Leinart starts, then it’s because he is the better QB. Period.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
It’s just crazy how scared some people are of this kid getting snaps as if he plays for another team they hate or something…
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Yes, crazy for anyone to expect a player to EARN a spot on a team instead of just being given it in blind faith.
If Pryor outplays Leinert this week practicing with the ones, we will see him play more.
As it should be.
That said, its obvious by the 22 yard pickup last Sunday, that Pryor should have been worked in the gameplan all season. 4-5 plays a game.
I’ve said this since pre-season.
Nobody with a brain demanded Pryor START over CP though.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
So leinart earned the starting spot?
December 26th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
tonedeezy Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
As far as personnel decisions go, I give the regime a passing grade based on the McClain situation. Dude might look a beast on a highlight reel of plays that resulted in a ruptured spleen, but we all know that he was a TERRIBLE middle LB.
The name Omar Gaither might not sound sexy to any of you, but the bottom line is, NO TEAM has hit a home run straight up the gut on us since he replaced Slolando.
If Leinart starts, then it’s because he is the better QB. Period.
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Better than Pryor? Sure, probably. But doesn’t mean he’s the better option going into our offseason. If this was week 3 with Carson being on IR, the argument for playing Leinart is valid. But going into a high draft pick with a QB project already on the roster is a bad move without seeing him in real game action.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
That said, its obvious by the 22 yard pickup last Sunday, that Pryor should have been worked in the gameplan all season. 4-5 plays a game.
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HA…..DA needs to be kicked in the azz….
December 26th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
So leinart earned the starting spot?
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Fluttering a ball in the air i guess is better than skipping it to WR’s.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Charlie,
we get it man. we’re gonna suck for 5 yr’s. you made your point.
reggie inherited the worst situation in sports history..blahblahblah.
ok. come back in 5 yr’s then or are you just gonna keep copying and pasting the raider contracts for the next 5 yr’s.?
we get it. thx.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
yeah linono puts you in a postion to win…GTFOH
December 26th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Seriously?
“Which is why they want to see what Leinart has to offer”
Like we havent seen enough already.
Dude let me simplify this for you.
Here is what Leinart has to offer…
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December 26th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Thec, I cannot argue with a word there because I have seen inconsistency in a lot of things he has said. He benches TJ for a PS player and when Goodson screws up nothing is said. He wont give TJ a sniff it’s alarming how unfair that kid has been treated.
If you notice he has issues with players one may deem as HWS players. If they haven’t proven themselves he doesn’t give them much run at all. Why was Checkwa left on the PS when we strggled ar corner?
Reece and TJ left on the sideline when we struggled at HB. When are one of teh worse teams in the redzone and he wouldn’t let players play who could conceavably help.
DA and his lapdog OC has cost this team 3-5 games IMHO just by mismanagement alone. Not getting the best out of the talent available to them.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
wow. that ascii art of a steaming pile ..didnt post anything like i thought it would…envision some steaming dung and u get the point…
December 26th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Why are these guys still employed? My Gawd!! Last game of the season let ASaunders call the offense, play TP and lets see how things shake out. Sticking with the status quo is asinine retarded. But hey, that what we get with these boyz now in charge.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
I’m a noted supporter of his, but even the Great Hue Jackson used Pryor for a grand total of one play in his tenure.
Maybe Pryor does suck. We certainly know Lienart does, so why not give Pryor a shot?
December 26th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
So leinart earned the starting spot?
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As a veteran QB that has paid his dues and has shown some success as a QB running a pro offense. Of course.
The only thing Pryor has shown us thus far is he is good at Madden.
That will most likely change on Sunday.
Relax. Pryor wouldn’t have made us a playoff team. Duh.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
wow. that ascii art of a steaming pile ..didnt post anything like i thought it would…envision some steaming dung and u get the point…
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Didn’t need an explination, when you associate it with Matt Leinart, we get it.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Raider Dude Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Matt Leinart had a great game yesterday ! Too bad the receivers suck and run bad routes. THat INT he threw totally was not his fault . He is the only bright spot on the offense. Too bad Knapp sucks at play calling , or else Leinart would have had a couple TD’s and 300 yrds !
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My daughters play this game around the house and when we go out. It’s called “Made Ya Look.” And they bust out laughing.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Priest, what up Brother? hope all is well with ya mayne.
2 words, fuk DA…
He is a fraud, and has an agenda…
Team will NEVEr win under him.
KNAPP is also a liar…He is the comic book character 2 face.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Why are these guys still employed? My Gawd!! Last game of the season let ASaunders call the offense, play TP and lets see how things shake out. Sticking with the status quo is asinine retarded. But hey, that what we get with these boyz now in charge.
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Everyone’s affraid of making “AL” like moves. But at least AL wasn’t affraid of criticism and did what he thought was best, even if it didn’t turn out to be best.
Mark and Reggie need to grow a pair and not be affraid to gamble out of the norm.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
It’s not that his job depends on anything of the such, but I would think if he refuses the GM’s request it would not go over very well………what do you think?
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I agree, which is why if it really was a DEMAND of the GM or Owner, he’d do as he’s told. Really i think there’s just no interest in Pryor form any of the 3 that is genuine. It’s just All talk
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If you really believe this, you are helpless!
December 26th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Gutless clueless coaching by DA.
His decision not to put in a pistol offense for Pryor despite his amazing speed with nothing to play for REALLY bothers me as a Raiders fan of 30 years who has spent thousands of dollars on Raisers tickets and merchandise each year.
I don’t get it. I do question DA’s leadership AND coaching ability and above all I question his passion to be a Raiders coach. DA is looking more and more like a Lance Kiffin to me. I never remember even coming close to hating a Raiders coach like this. Is it just me?
December 26th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
51. Actually ole’Kell has been hammerin’ the Chlostenburg Schiller from good ole’ Swisserland!
December 26th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
DA, fuk him and his staff, except A. Saunders…
Reg Mc is a dik head also
December 26th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
pft is saying that pryordidnt get much snaps with first team…they are scaling back the playbook….lmao….bed n breakfast must seem like tge runn shoot to
these coaches!
December 26th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Greg Mcelroy earned his shot? Ryan Lindley earn his shot?
December 26th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
It’s not that his job depends on anything of the such, but I would think if he refuses the GM’s request it would not go over very well………what do you think?
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I agree, which is why if it really was a DEMAND of the GM or Owner, he’d do as he’s told. Really i think there’s just no interest in Pryor form any of the 3 that is genuine. It’s just All talk
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If you really believe this, you are helpless!
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We’ll find out this off season. If he doesn’t play sunday, and DA is fired, then you were right. If he doesn’t play and DA is still here, then i was right.
Personally, I hope your right.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
118 im right there with you…
December 26th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Pryor will give you a couple of throws where you’re like WTF (he11, so does Carson) but several on a rope in a tight window and he has an arm, so he can pass the deep ball too. Saw a ton of Pryor at OSU. If used properly, what a weapon. Would take a smart, creative coach.
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Whether TP can be THE MAN will ultimately be determined by how consistently accurate he can be.
There’s no doubt he can extend plays and gain yards with his legs.
Can he be coached up to read defenses proficiently ?
I don’t see why not.
Sensing pressure and pocket presence should come with some time and experience.
Some playing time and good coaching should lead to marked improvement in most areas of question.
The accuracy and throwing ability is another story.
Yeah, improved footwork and a better throwing foundation can help with accuracy – but only marginally.
You’ve either got accuracy or you don’t.
I cracked up during this offseason when I saw the bits about Tebow having a QB coach that was going to change his delivery and improve his accuracy dramatically.
Sorry, that just doesn’t happen.
A guy’s throwing motion is his throwing motion. You’ve either got accuracy or you dont.
Can’t dramatically change either one.
The good news as far as I’m concerned, is that TP’s motion looks pretty smooth to me. I think he can throw pretty darn well on the move already.
I want to see him get set and throw some strikes.
If he can do that, he’ll be fine and could be the answer at QB that we’ve been looking for.
If not, WR or TE here we come.
Personally, I’m very skeptical that TP can throw well enough to be a franchise QB, but I don’t know for sure.
I certainly don’t rule it out.
But for Christ’s sake start playing the kid.
Find out what we have. We’re not going to know definitively based on what we see in WK 17 anyway. But there couldn’t be a more perfect time to start accumulating a body of evidence in order to make a call on TP.
It’s a freaking no-brainer.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Mark will clean house after next year hopefully, he cleans ALL the org out including mckenzie.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Raider 8
I am not doing all the pasting.
I did originate the salary list in reacting to several challenges to my position that the game is 80% player talent and 20% coaching.
I stand by that assertion.
If it were the other way around as some have suggested, then why don’t the coaches represent 80% of the Raider payroll?
I have also pointed out that anyone thinking our team regressed DUE TO SIMPLY COACHING, is unaware of the backdrop that existed with our 2011 team and what this new regime was faced with.
Injuries, cap issues, lack of draft picks, lack of player talent and some GM and coaching inexperience all played a role in this seasons disaster.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
RM99, whats going on Brother??? hope all is well with you, and you are safe.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
TEST
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December 26th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Thec Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Mark will clean house after next year hopefully, he cleans ALL the org out including mckenzie.
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I’d like to see what Reggie can do with Draft picks and his own scouts, But if he needs to be canned just to get rid of these coaches then so be it.
But that means we’re in for more AL Davis like meddling from a far less qualified Owner.
Ideal situation is that DA and Co are gone, and it’s Reggie’s decision.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
If mark had not of stepped up, TP would have never sniffed the field.
Only reson he is getting a sniff is becuase he wants to see for himself what TP has.
The lying org;
DA = the joker
mckenzie = mumbles
Knapp = 2 face
December 26th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Judge, Let me ask you honestly do you know the difference between a GM saying I need to see this guy play. And either you play this kid or you’ll be fired?
Is there any difference in those two statements to you?
I think there is genuine interest on everyones part. I just think the HC is clueless and his OC can’t help him because he is worse off. This HC is in way over his head just watch his in-game decision making and the OC’s playcalling. They do NOT know how to win games.
Double Agent tries like hell to cover his ass with smoke about who can’t and who can when really he is scrambling trying to make sense of it all. He came here with pre-conceaved notions which pre-judiced him aganist certain players and he runs around trying to cover his ass for decisions he made that did NOT work.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
tonedeezy Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
As far as personnel decisions go, I give the regime a passing grade based on the McClain situation. Dude might look a beast on a highlight reel of plays that resulted in a ruptured spleen, but we all know that he was a TERRIBLE middle LB.
The name Omar Gaither might not sound sexy to any of you, but the bottom line is, NO TEAM has hit a home run straight up the gut on us since he replaced Slolando.
If Leinart starts, then it’s because he is the better QB. Period.
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Better than Pryor? Sure, probably. But doesn’t mean he’s the better option going into our offseason. If this was week 3 with Carson being on IR, the argument for playing Leinart is valid. But going into a high draft pick with a QB project already on the roster is a bad move without seeing him in real game action.
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Truth.
I just have a feeling (and I’m not the type to hate black QBs at all) that TP looks horrible in practice. I don’t believe that this regime is hatin on him for any reason other than his own sloppy footwork and poor reads.
The play where he made that big gain on Sunday would have been a TD had he put some zip on his toss to Palmer. Instead, he gave the defense a chance to read the play without having to overpursue.
Those are the little minute things that QBs get judged on.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Carolina takes out your starting QB with an illegal hit. What would Gruden have done had he been our HC? Would he have looked on like a deer caught in the headlight like DA was? I think not. He would have get in the faces of all players to inspire them to win it for their fallen QB.
DA lacks PASSION, Pride, Leadership ability.
Didn’t Mark Davis accuse him of that after the Bengal’s game? Do something you POS to inspire men since you are the HC of this team. I’m tired of him putting down Pryor for what he is not, a pocket passer. Put your players in position to win based on their strengths you POS. How do you think RG3 has been successful this year? By being a pocket passer? Be a coach with no agenda and try to win games instead of installing useless systems.
Mark Davis should tell RM to fire DA or else he’ll fire them both himself.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
67.The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Dennis Allen said quarterbacks Matt Leinart and Terrelle Pryor split snaps evenly at practice
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Why did Allen have a change of heart and open up competition after saying Sunday that Pryor wasn’t ready to be a backup quarterback? …
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Maybe he does learn something from Game film.
Everytime you watch a replay of Leinart’s throws, the Duck Hunt Dog pops at the bottom of the screen and laughs at you
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I watched the game again last night and the big thing I notice when Pryor is out there is that the LBs back up about three yds pre-snap and when Leinart is in they are right on the D Linemen’s azz.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
I did originate the salary list in reacting to several challenges to my position that the game is 80% player talent and 20% coaching.
I stand by that assertion.
40% QB
40% coaching
20% rest of team
Name one great team without a great QB and coaching staff.
Just one. I will wait…
December 26th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Thec Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Mark will clean house after next year hopefully, he cleans ALL the org out including mckenzie.
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I’d like to see what Reggie can do with Draft picks and his own scouts, But if he needs to be canned just to get rid of these coaches then so be it.
But that means we’re in for more AL Davis like meddling from a far less qualified Owner.
Ideal situation is that DA and Co are gone, and it’s Reggie’s decision.
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You callit meddling I call it being responsible for your own business. People called Mr Davis a meddler truth is he was doing his job right or wrong. Coaches make way too many mistakes to be left to make every decision without being questioned. Nobody who owns a business would allow a manager to do whatever he wanted without making sure he knows what that is.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
more like the wizard of oz staff…
reggie=scarecrow(no brain)
da=tin man (no heart)
knapp=lion (no courage)
December 26th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Mark Davis should tell RM to fire DA or else he’ll fire them both himself.
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Truth
December 26th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Fire Allen and Knapp.
Make Pryor the QB and Reece the running back.
Trade McFadden.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
I just have a feeling (and I’m not the type to hate black QBs at all) that TP looks horrible in practice. I don’t believe that this regime is hatin on him for any reason other than his own sloppy footwork and poor reads.
The play where he made that big gain on Sunday would have been a TD had he put some zip on his toss to Palmer. Instead, he gave the defense a chance to read the play without having to overpursue.
Those are the little minute things that QBs get judged on
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if Pryor throws that pass too hard Palmer would’ve dropped it, he was making sure Palmer could catch it……..lol
December 26th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Article came out today on NFL.com that Davis will retain Reggie and D.A.
Their is your reason for Pryor getting equal reps and D.A. saying we’ve already seen what Leinart can do now it’s time to see what Pryor has.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
You can have a great QB with horrible coaching and still be good.
You can have great coaching and a horrible QB and still be good.
No way you can be good without one or the other though.
Its never been done in the NFL.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
DA = the joker
mckenzie = mumbles
Knapp = 2 face
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lol
December 26th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
118. UCLA. Saw the same impression with him even at his presser. However, “the nail in the coffin” was the after match reaction to John Fox in the game at Denver, after they hammer us, he’s laughing it up with a donks coach. If I were DA with the stearnest of faces, “John savor this victory now, because from now on we are no longer friends, and I will do everything in me to bury you and your organisation, no matter how crap of a roster I have!” Now that’s coaching “par excallance”!
December 26th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Thec Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Mark will clean house after next year hopefully, he cleans ALL the org out including mckenzie.
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I’d like to see what Reggie can do with Draft picks and his own scouts, But if he needs to be canned just to get rid of these coaches then so be it.
But that means we’re in for more AL Davis like meddling from a far less qualified Owner.
Ideal situation is that DA and Co are gone, and it’s Reggie’s decision.
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You callit meddling I call it being responsible for your own business. People called Mr Davis a meddler truth is he was doing his job right or wrong. Coaches make way too many mistakes to be left to make every decision without being questioned. Nobody who owns a business would allow a manager to do whatever he wanted without making sure he knows what that is.
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Meddling is meddling, anyway you spin it.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
138. Classic.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
You know I have yet to read a single criticism about Leinarts ability to zip the ball or throw accurately or anything at all. NOT ONE WORD!!
How much you want to bet that wont be the case with Pryor?
December 26th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Just stop it with the HueJax not playing Pryor B.S. Pryor was a damn rookie who not only came out of college too early, but came into the NFL too late. Still HueJax had the wherewithal to know he need to develop that kid. So LOGICALLY he was working at getting TP some real experience on tape (just like the boyz across the Bay did with Kappy!).
So stop this nonsense now. Call a spade a spade: We just have a lousy coaching staff that cannot see or develop talent. Night n day vs. last year.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Gdogg
2000 Baltimore Ravens
Billick Coach
Dilfer QB
December 26th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
if you dont meddle as your organization sinks….its called incompetence at worst indifferent, niether of which you want to be…
December 26th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
neither^
December 26th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
The vultures will circle and pick his bones clean……..everything he does will be overscrutinized to the inth degree.
He didn’t do this right or that right but not one solitary word of criticism about Leinarts sorry ass performance. Yet Pryor can’t throw……..what an agenda!
December 26th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
So stop this nonsense now. Call a spade a spade: We just have a lousy coaching staff that cannot see or develop talent. Night n day vs. last year.
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Need to listen to this guy…He speaks truth.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Thec Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
RM99, whats going on Brother??? hope all is well with you, and you are safe.
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Doing OK, Thec.
Nice to see you posting again.
Share your disdain of Krapp and Smiling Titty Boy – and not impressed with RM either.
Pretty sure Tits is going to be back. Almost positive Reggie is here for a few years at the least.
Don’t like it, but can accept it.
But if Krapp is back, I’m taking a vacation from wsting my time rooting for this team until he’s gone.
SCRAP THE KRAPP.
TERMINATE WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
You know I have yet to read a single criticism about Leinarts ability to zip the ball or throw accurately or anything at all. NOT ONE WORD!!
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Matt Leinart plays with a passion and greatness.He’s been the one bright spot on offense. It’s the receivers, bad oline,no running game and terrible play calling thats to BLAME! If only he had a running game ,good oline men , awesome receivers and Bill Walsh calling plays he would BE DOMINATE !
December 26th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
We will win no more than 5 games with the status quo next year.
6 games max the following year.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
150. Exactly. Amazing that Billick and Dilfer managed to win a Super Bowl, yet Marino and Shula did nothing!
December 26th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
149.TerrapinRaider Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Just stop it with the HueJax not playing Pryor B.S. Pryor was a damn rookie who not only came out of college too early, but came into the NFL too late. Still HueJax had the wherewithal to know he need to develop that kid. So LOGICALLY he was working at getting TP some real experience on tape (just like the boyz across the Bay did with Kappy!).
So stop this nonsense now. Call a spade a spade: We just have a lousy coaching staff that cannot see or develop talent. Night n day vs. last year.
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I was the guy who brought it up. I think Hue should have used him more. But I understand why it was only limited for the reasons you mentioned. I also went on to say let’s see Pryor and have a big supporter of his since prior to him becoming a Raider.
Knew Al would take him. How could he not? 6′6″ 235 lb QB that has a big arm and runs a 4.3 40?? I think Al probably wet himself.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
The one time Mark should’ve stepped in was when they decided to let Hue be his own GM. Way too much liberty awarded to a Rookie HC.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Dennis Allen said quarterbacks Matt Leinart and Terrelle Pryor split snaps evenly at practice
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Why did Allen have a change of heart and open up competition after saying Sunday that Pryor wasn’t ready to be a backup quarterback? …
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He’s not ready to be a backup quarterback. That hasn’t changed.
Your confusing that comment with “let’s see what these guys can do in the last game of the year, because we have some serious cuts we have to figure out”
Some of you seem clueless on how coaches reply to questions.
Even if a player is way behind, no coach states that. They will state “he’s coming along” or “he’s working hard” or “we have seen progress”.
Some of you believe those comments mean the player has advanced, leaps and bounds? It doesn’t.
Unless the player is lighting things up, it’s what coaches say when asked about players.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Thec Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
RM99, whats going on Brother??? hope all is well with you, and you are safe.
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Doing OK, Thec.
Nice to see you posting again.
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Glad to hear it man…You are one of my favorite guys on hear, good to see you postin.
I do not post so much becuase, i am pizzed off at this org.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
You know I have yet to read a single criticism about Leinarts ability to zip the ball or throw accurately or anything at all.
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Then you must not have been here during the game on Sunday. He was awful, and plenty were here saying it.
Feel free to do a text search of “Leinart” on this page if you don’t believe me:
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/12/23/halftime-panthers-14-raiders-3/
December 26th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Gdogg
Stiil there?
2002 Bucs
Gruden Coach
Brad Johnson QB
I like Gruden but he is hardly great by NFL standards.
One ring with a team built by Dungy.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Judge, Let me ask you honestly do you know the difference between a GM saying I need to see this guy play. And either you play this kid or you’ll be fired?
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If the guy who’s in charge of hiring and firing coaches says he wants to see someone play, then i’m pretty sure you take it as a threat to your job security.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Dennis Allen said quarterbacks Matt Leinart and Terrelle Pryor split snaps evenly at practice
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Why did Allen have a change of heart and open up competition after saying Sunday that Pryor wasn’t ready to be a backup quarterback? …
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He’s not ready to be a backup quarterback. That hasn’t changed.
Your confusing that comment with “let’s see what these guys can do in the last game of the year, because we have some serious cuts we have to figure out”
Some of you seem clueless on how coaches reply to questions.
Even if a player is way behind, no coach states that. They will state “he’s coming along” or “he’s working hard” or “we have seen progress”.
Some of you believe those comments mean the player has advanced, leaps and bounds? It doesn’t.
Unless the player is lighting things up, it’s what coaches say when asked about players.
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If it didn’t after seeing Leinart’s sorry ass performance then DA definitely needs to be fired.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
The vultures will circle and pick his bones clean……..everything he does will be overscrutinized to the inth degree.
He didn’t do this right or that right but not one solitary word of criticism about Leinarts sorry ass performance. Yet Pryor can’t throw……..what an agenda!
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Seems you helped create the monster, along with a couple of other posters.
So why act surprised when you get called on it?
December 26th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RaiderRan Says:
Some of you seem clueless on how coaches reply to questions. Even if a player is way behind, no coach states that.
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Some of these jokers seem to like the coaches that throw players under the bus. That’s why they still hang on the Huebris jock.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
I just can’t believe what has happened since Mr.Davis passed away . From 1 win away from Division champs to 4-12 again … this freakn sucks ! I hate Dennis Allen !
December 26th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Judge, Let me ask you honestly do you know the difference between a GM saying I need to see this guy play. And either you play this kid or you’ll be fired?
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If the guy who’s in charge of hiring and firing coaches says he wants to see someone play, then i’m pretty sure you take it as a threat to your job security.
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Sure it is, but it doesn’t mean he’ll be fired because of that alone. It just means I need you to play this kid so I can evaluate him. The coach having a losing record did do as he asked he played him. So what are you talking about? The kid hadn’t dressed all year until he made that statement.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
or like coaches who win….
December 26th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
I created a monster by asking to see a player play huh?
Well then I’ll take the credit………lol
December 26th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Davis has to see that keeping is a waste of freakin’ time. We all know where this road ends. Cut your losses and move on. Why fire the assistants and go through another “system” while keeping DA, when at the end of the day, when he is fired the new HC will hire his own assistants (AGAIN!). Just cut your losses Mark. Don’t try to save face.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Judge, Let me ask you honestly do you know the difference between a GM saying I need to see this guy play. And either you play this kid or you’ll be fired?
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If the guy who’s in charge of hiring and firing coaches says he wants to see someone play, then i’m pretty sure you take it as a threat to your job security.
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Sure it is, but it doesn’t mean he’ll be fired because of that alone. It just means I need you to play this kid so I can evaluate him. The coach having a losing record did do as he asked he played him. So what are you talking about? The kid hadn’t dressed all year until he made that statement.
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Wouldn’t you consider that a slap in the face if you asked an employee for something and he completly halfassed it? Allen not taking a request like that from his GM seriously mean’s he’s completely stupid, or it’s all just blown smoke by Reggie. Both a complet possiblity.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Those hollering “continuity”, because it would be so “different” from what Al had done the last 10 years, shut up. Your point is invalid. The very FIRST thing Reggie McKenzie did when he got here was what? Anyone remember? Thats right. He fired the Head Coach. After 1 season.
Hue’s gone. So be it. Late into last season, I was saying how he was starting to remind me of Mike White, and that was not a compliment. But anyone who thinks that Dennis Allen has done a better job of coaching this season than Hue Jackson did last season either A) does not watch football and is just talking to get attention, B) DOES watch football, but doesnt have the ability to understand whats going on well enough to give an accurate assessment of the coaching (which is what I think most here are), or C) Is related to Dennis Allen.
Dennis Allens resume, 4-11. Blowout losses as follows:
35-13 against MIA
37-6 against DEN
55-20 against BAL
38-17 vs NO
34-10 against CIN
gave up another 42 against TB
Yeah, lets bring him on back next year. Why not?
People like to say Hue should have been fired for going 1-4 down the stretch. How about ol Dennis? 1-7 in the last 8 games. Is that better? I didnt think so.
Offensive production, WAY DOWN. Defense, which we all thought couldnt get any worse than last year, especially with a defensive minded head coach, is 13 points away from surpassing last seasons horrible points allowed mark.
Continuity is good, I agree. With the right guy.
Continuity is not going to magically make Dennis Allen a better coach. Sorry. I see some of you are some serious Dennis Allen fan boys, and what he has done to earn your admiration is beyond me, but hes really just not that good. Proof is in the pudding.
December 26th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Perhaps Dennis is caught up in racial stereotypes regarding Pryor’s abilities to “comprehend” ?
December 26th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
How did DA get this job ? Was it his great collection of cool visors ? Or maybe he dropped Tebow’s name a couple times ? I just don’t know how he got the job with his resume . Did Reggie just hire the first canidate to walk through the door?
December 26th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Everyone is aware that we don’t need/want Leinart OR Pryor for next year, right?
Who wants someone who is viewed as not ready, and might need years?
Not impressed with either one. Not sure what all the arguments are about.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
DA will be fired whether is now or 2 years from now. Lets get it over with already. Bring someone in who can really develop talent.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Perhaps Dennis is caught up in racial stereotypes regarding Pryor’s abilities to “comprehend” ?
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I don’t think Marquette King can be a legit punter because he’s black.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Watch some football for a change. Take a break from bickering and defending useless points. All you have to do is WATCH the games.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Perhaps Dennis is caught up in racial stereotypes regarding Pryor’s abilities to “comprehend” ?
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I’m starting to think that too. He already has a biased notion that Pryor is a dumb trouble maker with tattoos that can’t handle the QB position. DA is a idiot and would not know TALENT if it hit him in the face !
December 26th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
161. Why did he have a change of heart? Because he’s done exactly the opposite of what he was meant to bring to this organisation, and that was CONSISTENCY! Nothing has been consistent week in week out, except our losses. Coaches and GMS act like the NFL is Rocket Science, when basically all it is , “Score 1 more point than your opponent!” Tired of hearing all the BS excuses that have hung around this franchise for TOO LONG. It’s not like these Coaches or GM were hired out of Pee Wee Football, they’ve been around long enough to have at least some understanding to what it takes to be at least competent and competative. 2012. The year of excuses.2013. The year of total accountability!
December 26th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Here’s our problem! No on told Knapp there was a whole book he could use.
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Coach Dennis Allen said playbook will be scaled back Sunday, with Carson Palmer out, but not more for Pryor than Leinart.
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Greg Knapp toting the play sheet he hopes contains plays that will confound the Chargers defense Sunday
December 26th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Things that make me want to go POSTAL on Tits & Krapp:
Stretch runs that never work due to tremendous sideline pursuit – yet NEVER an option pass (think DMAC couldn’t throw one ?) or a reverse to counter it.
Talking about ‘getting a look at guys’ and ‘giving the young guns a chance’ – and my man TAIWAN JONES still can’t sniff the field, other than being the best gunner on the team.
This list could go on and on, but at my age I can’t risk having a stroke by getting angry and listing too many of them.
Bunch of frkng azzwads ruining my RAIDS.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Here’s our problem! No on told Knapp there was a whole book he could use.
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Coach Dennis Allen said playbook will be scaled back Sunday, with Carson Palmer out, but not more for Pryor than Leinart.
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Greg Knapp toting the play sheet he hopes contains plays that will confound the Chargers defense Sunday
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Knapp also said that this new play sheet is cutting edge, even he doesn’t understand it.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Perhaps Dennis is caught up in racial stereotypes regarding Pryor’s abilities to “comprehend” ?
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Maybe you are a racist dirtbag who seems to just start crap?
Looks like that to me with this comment.
When a HC states a player doesn’t know the whole playbook? I suspect it’s because the player DOESN’T KNOW THE WHOLE PLAYBOOK.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
John
With all due respect, I have taken time to layout step by step how the 2011 team was the most expensive 8-8 team in NFL history.
I have also pointed out that anyone thinking our team regressed DUE TO SIMPLY COACHING INCOMPETANCE, is unaware of the backdrop that existed with our 2011 team and what this new regime was faced with.
Injuries, cap issues, lack of draft picks, lack of player talent and some GM and coaching inexperience all played a role in this seasons disaster.
To blame all of this years peformance on coaching incompetance is innaccurate and invalid.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Charlie Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Gdogg
Stiil there?
2002 Bucs
Gruden Coach
Brad Johnson QB
I like Gruden but he is hardly great by NFL standards.
One ring with a team built by Dungy.
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Cool, you dont think Gruden is “great” by NFL standards. Hes still light years ahead of anything Dennis Allen will ever be close to approaching.
Gruden took Joe Bugels 4-12 team to 8-8 is his rookie season.
Dennis Allen took Hue Jacksons 8-8 team to 4-11.
Looks like Dennis Allen is the bizarro Jon Gruden.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Raider Dude Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Perhaps Dennis is caught up in racial stereotypes regarding Pryor’s abilities to “comprehend” ?
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I’m starting to think that too. He already has a biased notion that Pryor is a dumb trouble maker with tattoos that can’t handle the QB position. DA is a idiot and would not know TALENT if it hit him in the face !
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Why would you make that lie up?
You didn’t think you would be called on it?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
I have also pointed out that anyone thinking our team regressed DUE TO SIMPLY COACHING INCOMPETANCE, is unaware of the backdrop that existed with our 2011 team and what this new regime was faced with.
Injuries, cap issues, lack of draft picks, lack of player talent and some GM and coaching inexperience all played a role in this seasons disaster
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Hue’s team also had similar problems of lack of talent, draft picks and cap. Also unlike Allen, Hue didn’t have the luxury of a complete Training Camp, His own coaching staff and relativly quiet off field distractions. Yet still managed to coax double the wins of DA. Hue was also a rookie coach, who was saddled mid season with GM duties.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RaiderRan, maybe you’re a cross posting coward, perhaps?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Hue is better than DA in every category.
Reading Knapp’s comments makes you want to punch somebody. I can’t believe the crap that comes out of that baffoons mouth. Its like he’s in his own fatansy land. He really thinks he’s doing a tremendous job I guess. How the hell did this guy end up back here?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
193.TerrapinRaider Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Hue is better than DA in every category.
Reading Knapp’s comments makes you want to punch somebody. I can’t believe the crap that comes out of that baffoons mouth. Its like he’s in his own fatansy land. He really thinks he’s doing a tremendous job I guess. How the hell did this guy end up back here?
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He sounds like a guy trying to keep a job to me.
Talking about year two. LMAO.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
John
Trying to keep my posts shorter.
I have also pointed out why experienced GM and HC types would did want any part of this.
Simply firing everyone solves nothing unless you have superior alternatives available.
Who is knocking at the door for the opportunity?
Further you need to eat the reamining contract value of the 4 year deals you had to give in the first place to get DA nad Reggie because everyone in the NFL knows this is a multi year fix.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Greg Knapp toting the play sheet he hopes contains plays that will confound the Chargers defense Sunday
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I’d feel more comfortable about our chances this week if said play sheet was actually a Denny’s Menu.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RaiderRan Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Looks like that to me with this comment.
When a HC states a player doesn’t know the whole playbook? I suspect it’s because the player DOESN’T KNOW THE WHOLE PLAYBOOK.
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Well, I suspect something else, cross posting btch. So what?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RaiderRan, maybe you’re a cross posting coward, perhaps?
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You post a weak racist comment.
I point out it’s a weak racist comment.
And that’s your reply?
You’re not all that bright, are you?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Judge.
Incorrect.
The cap issues manifested themselves for the 2012 season. We kept kicking the can down the road and it had to stop.
Further we mortgaged 2012 and 2013 to an extent for Palmer.
If you do not think so, then do you think we go 8-8 with Bollar??????
December 26th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
RaiderRan Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RaiderRan, maybe you’re a cross posting coward, perhaps?
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You post a weak racist comment.
I point out it’s a weak racist comment.
And that’s your reply?
You’re not all that bright, are you?
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And you’re a cross posting btch, so what?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RaiderRan Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Looks like that to me with this comment.
When a HC states a player doesn’t know the whole playbook? I suspect it’s because the player DOESN’T KNOW THE WHOLE PLAYBOOK.
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Well, I suspect something else, cross posting btch. So what?
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I think I already cleared it up.
However, my most recent comment is even more on the mark, considering this reply.
Let me repeat it for you.
You’re not all that bright, are you?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
This ain’t rocket science – the Raiders will look very stupid if they don’t play Pryor at least for half of the game if not all of it.
No matter what side of the coin you look at, it works the same – if you need to evaluate younger players, who cares if they are “ready or not” per say. How many passing plays does Pryor need to know? 20 total plays and their routes/formations. Run plays are fairly straight forward.
If the regime is definitely wanting to let go of him, showcasing him for some duration during regular season games can only help his value – I don’t think he would lose trade value given the “disfunction” of the Raiders that many seem to hold.
Shame one them if they don’t use him for a couple of quarters of a half AT MINIMUM.
Don’t know if he is the answer or the question… I live 15 miles north of the horseshoe – I like the Buckeyes, but am not one of THOSE crazy fans. Saw Pryor in his first OSU game in 2008 (in fact, it’s the last game I have attended, and only watch a couple a year – I am a Raider fan first and foremost). The one thing that stood out to me watching this Freshman QB was his quickness and speed. A position conversion would go well for him. He is a hard worker, and winning seems to follow him when he plays.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
only the excuse makers believe its a multi year fix….if you need more material…look up greg knapp interviews or ask cork and jerry…
December 26th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
See? Are you an adult?
See above about “not all that bright”.
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Well does Pryor have a neck tattoo?
Because yeah, that could be a deal breaker with DA.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
196.504 Raider Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Greg Knapp toting the play sheet he hopes contains plays that will confound the Chargers defense Sunday
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I’d feel more comfortable about our chances this week if said play sheet was actually a Denny’s Menu.
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In other news, Gregg Knapp was informed that “Pause,” “Zoom,” and “Print Screen” options aren’t necessarily new technology and worse, the Chargers likely have access to all.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Definitely a kid.
A slow, rather stupid kid, it appears.
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Maybe our little crew cut coaches are having some other problems with Pryor?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Didn’t Pryor state he knows 100% of the playbook like 5 weeks ago?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Well does Pryor have a neck tattoo?
Because yeah, that could be a deal breaker with DA.
Or is Dennis caught up in stereotypes that suggest that Pryor may have comprehension problems with this “complicated offense” ?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
John
I would love John to come here.
Just understand the limitations that he also brings.
57-55 with the Bucs and three losing seasons out of seven.
He suffers from the same problem as ALL coaches. He can not win without the talent on the field.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Bobby Bushay,
Westerville maybe?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
*delurks*
Evening Nation!
Anybody hear, see, or read anything said by Raider players on TP’s performance?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Didn’t Pryor state he knows 100% of the playbook like 5 weeks ago?
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Yep.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
You post the following, and you don’t even know how to spell kindergarten?
What grade are you?
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Tuckrulefool FOOL:
Stop with the uppercase letters. That’s what kindergarden and 1st graders do. Dumbass.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Charlie Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Judge.
Incorrect.
The cap issues manifested themselves for the 2012 season. We kept kicking the can down the road and it had to stop.
Further we mortgaged 2012 and 2013 to an extent for Palmer.
If you do not think so, then do you think we go 8-8 with Bollar??????
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I don’t see how this is any kind of rebutal to what i pointed out? If anything, DA had far more going for him into this season than Hue did to begin his rookie season. Sure Hue may have sabatoged DA with the Palmer trade, but then we’d be in the Same boat with JC, or even worse, Matt Lienart as our week one starter.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
This year has been so strang and unbelievably bad it almost seems like a real nightmare and I’m having a hard time waking up. I just find it hard to believe a coaching staff can screw this up this badly.
How can we go from a great running game to thr worst in the league. We cannot score or get 1st downs.
The season was over at Holloween and they cannot figure out how to use a player like other coaches are using all over the league.
It’s just mind boggling to the point it seems unreal.
KK, I do believe the double agent has some of that in him. I think he has old school ideas how things should be done…….period
December 26th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Bobby Bushay,
Westerville maybe?
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Lewis Center… Where are you from?
December 26th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Didn’t Pryor state he knows 100% of the playbook like 5 weeks ago?
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Yep.
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They know he knows it, they also know what he can do. They just don’t want anyone else to know. They didn’t think things would turn out quite like they did.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
KK, I do believe the double agent has some of that in him. I think he has old school ideas how things should be done…….period
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Youngster, too green, too young to be a NFL Head Coach able to deal with all kinds of people, Imo.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Sure Hue may have sabatoged DA with the Palmer trade, but then we’d be in the Same boat with JC, or even worse, Matt Lienart as our week one starter.
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“Hamstrung” would be more appropriate than sabotage. Sure, DA had his work cut out for him but he failed.
The only (possibly) saving grace is that the D appears to be on John Marshall level now.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
it really is the three stooges of coaching…
December 26th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
If Pryor isn’t an NFL quarterback, how would one know with the powder puff practices the RAIDERS have obviously been running for the last umpteenth year. If he’s not up to it let’s accept that in an NFL game situation, not a flag/touch, walkthrough practice. If the kid can’t cut it there, then sure as hell he can be a servicable WR.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Greg Knapp toting the play sheet he hopes contains plays that will confound the Chargers defense Sunday
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Krapp should print his play sheet on some nice soft Charminy paper.
That way the team could wipe their azzes with it and flush it down the sh1tter where it belongs.
December 26th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Greg Knapp toting the play sheet he hopes contains plays that will confound the Chargers defense Sunday
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Krapp should print his play sheet on some nice soft Charminy paper.
That way the team could wipe their azzes with it and flush it down the sh1tter where it belongs.
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It’s probably not very absorbent. Like everything Knapp does, it’d just smear $h!t everywhere
December 26th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Pryor’s fellow teammates should have a valid impression of his performance. Have any players made public comments along the lines of “play him way more than he has been?”
December 26th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Judge
The cap issues cost us players that produced something for Hue albeit at a ridiculously high price.
We were left scrambling for guys that were cut by other teams or practice squad players just to get under the cap.
Injuries like Seymour killed us and again we had no depth because of cap issues.
We did not have a 1st or second round pick so no immediate help could be counted on but we did find Burris and Streater.
How many guys like that do you expect to find in one offseason given our other issues?
The cap impact on the roster is huge. Injuries (I guess that is the strength and conditioning coaches fault), no first or second round picks and a roster that was a year older and you want to blame it all on poor coaching?
As I said before the 2011 team was the most expensive 8-8 team in NFL history. It was a house of cards that was doomed.
Again, that is why no one with experience wanted the gig and why we had to offer 4 year deals.