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Five players not at practice today

Quarterback Carson Palmer, right guard Mike Brisiel, cornerback Phillip Adams, defensive tackle Richard Seymour and strong safety Tyvon Branch aren’t practicing today.
Palmer definitely won’t play Sunday against the San Diego Chargers in the regular-season finale. Seymour haas missed the past seven games, and it’s likely that he won’t play this Sunday, either.
As for Brisiel (concussion), Adams (groin) and Branch (ankle(, they stand a decent chance of making it back in time for the Chargers game.
Terrelle Pryor and Matt Leinart are taking reps with the first-team offense today, with coach Dennis Allen saying he will see how both perform in practice this week before deciding which will start in place of Palmer.
Palmer suffered broken ribs and a bruised lung against the Carolina Panthers, and he already has been ruled out.

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  • LA to TheBay

    Pro Bowl Raiders: Jano, Condo, Reece.

    Alternate: Myers.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    fire reggie and DA now!!! 9 and whine…

  • edward teach

    97.KoolKell Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 11:59 am
    DutchRaider77 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Darrius Heward-Bodycatch is going to be untradable.

    ____________________________________________________________

    He did have some extraordinary catches this year…he just has problems with the ordinary “YOU HAVE TO CATCH” this pass to be in the nfl type plays.
    ================
    Crabtree made catches each week. That’s his job. That’s DHB’s job. DHB didn’t do his job.

    ********************************************************

    I laughed out loud when Crabtree took that out route from Kaepernick the distance against the Patriots. So many in here told me I was crazy because he wasn’t fast enough and only ran bubble screens in a gimmick offense in college.

    Never mind that the kid has maybe the best hands in the league and actually catches the ball when it’s thrown to him. I think he currently leads all NFL WRs in receptions that result in first downs.

    But hey, he didn’t run an 4.3 so we didn’t need him, lol.

  • http://www.raiders.com KoolKell

    Crabtree has more catches than all the Raider receivers combined.

  • theghostronin79

    Crabtree has more catches than all the Raider receivers combined.

    ================

    He didn’t want to play for us though. Who knows how he would have conducted himself here. coulda been great….Coulda been a check casher too, just never know.

  • John David Booty

    Edward Teach Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    97.KoolKell Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 11:59 am
    DutchRaider77 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Darrius Heward-Bodycatch is going to be untradable.

    ____________________________________________________________

    He did have some extraordinary catches this year…he just has problems with the ordinary “YOU HAVE TO CATCH” this pass to be in the nfl type plays.
    ================
    Crabtree made catches each week. That’s his job. That’s DHB’s job. DHB didn’t do his job.

    ********************************************************

    I laughed out loud when Crabtree took that out route from Kaepernick the distance against the Patriots. So many in here told me I was crazy because he wasn’t fast enough and only ran bubble screens in a gimmick offense in college.

    Never mind that the kid has maybe the best hands in the league and actually catches the ball when it’s thrown to him. I think he currently leads all NFL WRs in receptions that result in first downs.

    But hey, he didn’t run an 4.3 so we didn’t need him, lol.
    ——————————————
    Totally different players with different skill sets. A smart coach wouldnt even attempt to compare the players and use them the same way. Crabtree has very good hands. Best hands in the league? I think Larry Fitzgerald would have something to say about that, but yes, he can catch. DHB on the other hand, while he doesnt have the hands that Crabtree has, definitely makes up for it in explosiveness. DHB is a complete beast with the YAC, its just a matter of getting him the ball in the right situations. Again, comes down to coaching, play calling, and how players are used. Crabtree is having a solid season, no doubt. Good for that young man. But it doesnt mean that he would be doing the same thing here. It also doesnt mean that he would have been a better pick for what we do. All we have to do is go back to last season:

    DHB 64 catches, 975 yards, 15.2 yards per catch.

    Crabtree 72 catches, 874 yards, 12.1 per catch.

    Paints a different picture, doesnt it.

    DHB can still be effective. You just have to know what to do with him, how and where to get him the ball. Hue knew how to do that. DA and Knapp dont.

    Again, Crabtree is having a solid season, but lets not try to act like he is light years better than DHB. Thats not being very objectionable.

  • edward teach

    4.KoolKell Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    Crabtree has more catches than all the Raider receivers combined.

    ********************************************************

    Saying this blind, but I’d bet he has more first down catches than all Raider WRs combined as well.

    About the only receiver we have that’s played decently and consistently this year is our TE. Believe it or not, Myers leads all AFC tight ends in receptions.

  • tuckrulefool

    FIRE THE CADRE!

    FREE PRYOR!

    FREE TIAWAN!

    FREE AUSBERRY!

  • tuckrulefool

    DUMP THE CHECK CASHERS!

  • tuckrulefool

    FIRE T1T5!

    BRING BACK GRUDEN HUE OR CABLE!
    (I’LL TAKE ANY OF THEM OVER THIS FLAMING DUMPSTER TRASH HEAP!)

  • Charlie

    Reggie quote;

    “You want the players to doggone take it upon themselves and run it. We’re not at that level.”

    When PLAYERS are making the kind of money I have shown on previous posts (repeated below), there needs to be some self motivation.
    Laying the blame of players not performing exclusively on coaches is not a valid.

    It may be your opinion but not a valid one.

    The new regime is getting rid of overpaid/under performing players. The coaches will stay.
    Talent is 80% of the equation. Coaches are about 20%.

    Any coaches on our staff making the following????

    Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
    DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
    QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
    LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
    CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
    FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
    RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
    DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
    WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
    LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
    P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
    TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
    DT John Henderson $4,750,000
    PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
    CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
    LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
    OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
    FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
    DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
    SS Mike Mitchell $965,500

  • RAIDERMAN99

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 11:38 am
    Can’t beat the Knapp horse enough, but let’s fire John DeFilippo also.

    This is the guy who’s taught Jamarcus Russell, Mark Sanchez and Terrelle Pryor everything they don’t know

    ===================================================
    Not sure I can join you in the fire DeFilippo thing.

    I don’t think any QB coach could have helped JaMoron.

    Sanchez just stinks too, and I don’t think all the coaching in the world can change that.

    Honestly don’t know how he’s doing with TP.

    Used to get a kick out of the numerous posters here that would just blast Sanjay Lal as being a terrible WR coach when they really had no idea of whether he was good or not.

    They saw rcvrs run into each other one time and DHB dropping passes and assumed Lal was a dog of a coach.

    I’ve never seen Defilippo at work. Don’t know what his style is. How he relates to players. If he knows what he’s talking about or is an effective communicator.

    Tell you something else Judge37, and you might find this hard to believe…

    I was watching the NFL Network last year, and they had a crew out to televise the drills that were going on before one of the College All Star games…

    They’ve got some coaches wired so we can hear what’s being said during the drills…

    One of the coaches was none other than GREGG KRAPP…

    And unbelievably, he actually wasn’t bad.

    Was pretty organized and communicated clearly and concisely.

    Had good command and ran the drills well.

    Now of course we both know he’s an absolute POS OC, maybe the worst ever…

    I just bring this up to point out that even a turd like Krapp might be decent as a position coach.

    Also wanted to tell you that I got a good laugh out of your ‘question for DA’ post the other day…

    “Didn’t I tell you to go fk yourself ?’ had me in stiches.

  • DutchRaider77

    @John David Booty

    Also it would be interesting to see DHB lining up with Vernon Davis, Walker, Manningham and Moss next to him.

  • edward teach

    JDB,

    Nobody’s talking about using them the same way. I was adamant that we needed a possesion receiver when Crabtree was available. We needed (and still do) a guy that can make the tough catch on third down to move the chains, and someone that can catch the ball if it’s not thrown perfectly.

    As far as skillset goes, I think you have to start with the ability to catch the football. Doesn’t matter how explosive you are if you let the ball clank off your hands or bounce off the spot between the 8 and the 5. DHB is a nice kid and he works very hard, and yes he is fast and physical. He does not catch the ball consistently enough to be a top-level receiver in the NFL, however, and has proven that time and again.

    You can have your two plays a game where “if he catches it he could score”. I’ll take the guy that catches everything and moves the chains.

  • tuckrulefool

    EXCUSES EXCUSES

    8-8 AND 8-8 >>>>>>>>> 4 -12

    DENNIS ALLEN IS A SMOLDERING DUMPSTER FIRE

    K-KRAPP IS A ROTTING COMPOST PILE

    TIME TO MOVE ON DOT ORG!

  • John David Booty

    Talent is 80% of the equation. Coaches are about 20%.
    ——————————
    THAT, sir, is an opinion. And in MY opinion, not a very good one. But we are all entitled.

  • tuckrulefool

    80/20 BS DEBUNKED

    SINGLETARY 49ERS

    NEXT YEAR…

    HARBAUGH 49ERS

    CASE CLOSED

    AT THIS LEVEL IT IS…

    COACHING 80%/PLAYERS 20%

  • The_Judge37

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 11:38 am
    Can’t beat the Knapp horse enough, but let’s fire John DeFilippo also.

    This is the guy who’s taught Jamarcus Russell, Mark Sanchez and Terrelle Pryor everything they don’t know

    ===================================================
    Not sure I can join you in the fire DeFilippo thing.

    I don’t think any QB coach could have helped JaMoron.

    Sanchez just stinks too, and I don’t think all the coaching in the world can change that.

    Don’t know how he’s doing with TP.

    Used to get a kick out of the numerous posters here that would just blast Sanjay Lal as being a terrible WR coach when they really had no idea of whether he was good or not.
    ——-

    Well we know what he’s doing with Pryor. In a full offseason that includes OTA’s, Training Camp, Preseason and 15 weeks of Regular season, TP is “NOt even close to ready”

    Also, Lal hasn’t got anything out of NYJ WR’s. Sure both cores lack talent but our WR’s got worse every year.

  • The_Judge37

    Also wanted to tell you that I got a good laugh out of your ‘question for DA’ post the other day…

    “Didn’t I tell you to go fk yourself ?’ had me in stiches.
    ————

    Thanks, but i have to give credit to Joe Pesci in Goodfellas for that one. “Bing, pow, boom”

  • DaRaiders022

    DHB can still be effective. You just have to know what to do with him, how and where to get him the ball. Hue knew how to do that. DA and Knapp dont.

    Again, Crabtree is having a solid season, but lets not try to act like he is light years better than DHB. Thats not being very objectionable
    *********
    DHB is a freakin bust…face facts! Explosive??? Explosive getting in line for a paycheck on payday! Has had opportunities to be and NFL WR, catches with his torso instead of hands! Beating DB’s downfield is one thing, catching footballs would greatly enhance his abilities!

  • Charlie

    Tuck rule
    Gross over simpification.
    You have not made a case. The Niners were not in the position described below when Harbaugh joined.

    This is why experienced NFL HC’s or administrators did not want anything to do with Raider “OPPORTUNITIES” when the positions were open earlier in 2012.

    Below is a summary of how disastrous our cap situation was and what Reggie has had to deal with.
    It was created over several years as we continued to draft poorly, over rate free agents and pay far above market value for very little production. The cap issues alone are a three year project. Forget about aging players that lack talent to compete at the NFL level. That is a draft problem that is a multiyear fix as well given our lack of picks.

    As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).

    “In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. That is easily the most money ever spent on a team in the history of the NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”

    “Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN.”

    “In general manager Reggie McKenzie’s first offseason with the team, HIS HANDS WERE ESSENTIALLY TIED DUE TO A TOUGH SALARY CAP AND VERY FEW DRAFT PICKS. IN THE 2013 DRAFT, THE RAIDERS WILL HAVE MORE SELECTIONS, AS WELL AS A FIRST-ROUND PICK FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2010.”

    “The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”

    “The Raiders knew they were taking a risk extending the players they did prior to the lockout.”

  • RaiderDebo

    KoolKell Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    Crabtree has more catches than all the Raider receivers combined.

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Poor JaMarcus!

  • Al_is_theraiders

    craptrees best year is already behind him…(this year)…imagine dhb with a real oc? better yet imagine craptree with DA…yeah…lol

  • Charlie

    John David

    Any coaches on our staff making the salaries below????
    Tell me when the coaches make up 80% of the Raider payroll. Not opinion, just what the munbers say.

    Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
    DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
    QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
    LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
    CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
    FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
    RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
    DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
    WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
    LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
    P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
    TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
    DT John Henderson $4,750,000
    PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
    CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
    LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
    OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
    FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
    DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
    SS Mike Mitchell $965,500

  • John David Booty

    Edward Teach Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    JDB,

    Nobody’s talking about using them the same way. I was adamant that we needed a possesion receiver when Crabtree was available. We needed (and still do) a guy that can make the tough catch on third down to move the chains, and someone that can catch the ball if it’s not thrown perfectly.

    As far as skillset goes, I think you have to start with the ability to catch the football. Doesn’t matter how explosive you are if you let the ball clank off your hands or bounce off the spot between the 8 and the 5. DHB is a nice kid and he works very hard, and yes he is fast and physical. He does not catch the ball consistently enough to be a top-level receiver in the NFL, however, and has proven that time and again.

    You can have your two plays a game where “if he catches it he could score”. I’ll take the guy that catches everything and moves the chains.
    ——————————————
    Id take the guy that “catches” everything too. But Michael Crabtree, that is not. Again, I agree he has good hands, but where youre getting the idea that he “catches everything in sight” is beyond me. Wait, are you going off of Harbaughs comment, saying Crabs has the best hands hes ever seen? I certainly hope not. Ive seen Crabtree drop his share of catchable balls, just like every NFL WR. His catch rate, per passes thrown to him since he got in the league have been 56% in 2009, 55% in 2010, and 64% last year. Not great, not horrible. About average.

    DHB only being able to get 2 catches and turn one is misleading as well. He had 3 100 yard games last year, not All Pro stats, but evidence of ability. Also 7 catches for 99 yards in a win over The playoff Texans. 8 for 155 against DET. Point is, the man has ability. You just have to know how to get production out of your players. A good coach knows how. A clueless coach can definitely make good players look average, and average players look bad. Just like a good coach can make bad players look average and average players look good. They also make good players great.

    At the end of the day, neither are world class WRs to me, but they both can be good #2 WR’s, depending on how theyre used, and what system theyre in. Id still be more inclined to go with DHB, based on his ability. Crabtree, what you see is what you get. DHB, I dont feel has tapped out his potential yet. But again, its all opinion. I just dont regret taking DHB over Crabtree.

  • RaiderDebo

    John David Booty Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
    Edward Teach Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    97.KoolKell Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 11:59 am
    DutchRaider77 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Darrius Heward-Bodycatch is going to be untradable.

    ____________________________________________________________

    He did have some extraordinary catches this year…he just has problems with the ordinary “YOU HAVE TO CATCH” this pass to be in the nfl type plays.
    ================
    Crabtree made catches each week. That’s his job. That’s DHB’s job. DHB didn’t do his job.

    ********************************************************

    I laughed out loud when Crabtree took that out route from Kaepernick the distance against the Patriots. So many in here told me I was crazy because he wasn’t fast enough and only ran bubble screens in a gimmick offense in college.

    Never mind that the kid has maybe the best hands in the league and actually catches the ball when it’s thrown to him. I think he currently leads all NFL WRs in receptions that result in first downs.

    But hey, he didn’t run an 4.3 so we didn’t need him, lol.
    ——————————————
    Totally different players with different skill sets. A smart coach wouldnt even attempt to compare the players and use them the same way. Crabtree has very good hands. Best hands in the league? I think Larry Fitzgerald would have something to say about that, but yes, he can catch. DHB on the other hand, while he doesnt have the hands that Crabtree has, definitely makes up for it in explosiveness. DHB is a complete beast with the YAC, its just a matter of getting him the ball in the right situations. Again, comes down to coaching, play calling, and how players are used. Crabtree is having a solid season, no doubt. Good for that young man. But it doesnt mean that he would be doing the same thing here. It also doesnt mean that he would have been a better pick for what we do. All we have to do is go back to last season:

    DHB 64 catches, 975 yards, 15.2 yards per catch.

    Crabtree 72 catches, 874 yards, 12.1 per catch.

    Paints a different picture, doesnt it.

    DHB can still be effective. You just have to know what to do with him, how and where to get him the ball. Hue knew how to do that. DA and Knapp dont.

    Again, Crabtree is having a solid season, but lets not try to act like he is light years better than DHB. Thats not being very objectionable.

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Crabtree is ligt years ahead of DHB! Always has been and always will be. Let’s not pretend that “explosiveness” trumps skill at that position.

  • DaRaiders022

    Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
    DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
    QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
    LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
    CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
    FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
    RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
    DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
    WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
    LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
    P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
    TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
    DT John Henderson $4,750,000
    PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
    CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
    LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
    OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
    FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
    DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
    SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
    ******************************
    Keep Jano, and Houston, everyone else restructure or adios send us postcards!

  • tuckrulefool

    CHARLIE:

    I COUNTER ARGUE THAT YOU AND THE OTHER “5 YR PLAN DEBBIE DOWNERS” WHO POST HERE GROSSLY -OVER- COMPLICATE.

    AS FOR NO ONE WANTING TO COME HERE WHEN JIM H WAS AVAIALBLE.

    2 REASON.

    1. AL DAVIS. HAVING AN 80 YEAR OLD DC RUNNING 60S STYLE BALL WILL SCARE MOST COACHES AWAY. FOR GOOD REASON.

    2. PAYING THEM 50 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR SCARES EVERYONE ELSE (SAVE FOR HUNGRY ROOKIES AND RE-TREADS- IE WHAT WE GOT EVERY TIME)

    AGAIN. SIMPLE. NOT COMPLICATED.

  • http://www.raiders.com KoolKell

    Tuckrulefool FOOL:

    Stop with the uppercase letters. That’s what kindergarden and 1st graders do. Dumbass.

  • tuckrulefool

    K0.0L KELL:

    BLOW ME

  • Charlie

    Tuck rule.

    I was referring to the most recent hiring of this staff when the position was open after Mr. Davis passed away.2012.

    You are correct that the examples I cited for individuals “blowing us off” prior were with Mr. Davis doing the hiring.

    As I pointed out in my post. Why did not Gruden or Del Rio jump at the chance in 2012?

    VERY BAD SITUATION!!!!

  • edward teach

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 11:38 am
    Can’t beat the Knapp horse enough, but let’s fire John DeFilippo also.

    This is the guy who’s taught Jamarcus Russell, Mark Sanchez and Terrelle Pryor everything they don’t know

    ===================================================
    Not sure I can join you in the fire DeFilippo thing.

    I don’t think any QB coach could have helped JaMoron.

    Sanchez just stinks too, and I don’t think all the coaching in the world can change that.

    Don’t know how he’s doing with TP.

    Used to get a kick out of the numerous posters here that would just blast Sanjay Lal as being a terrible WR coach when they really had no idea of whether he was good or not.
    ——-

    Well we know what he’s doing with Pryor. In a full offseason that includes OTA’s, Training Camp, Preseason and 15 weeks of Regular season, TP is “NOt even close to ready”

    ********************************************************

    Actually, you DON’T know what he’s doing with Pryor. Pryor has zero experience in a pro-style offense and his throwing mechanics and footwork coming out of college were a mess.

    The whole fascination with blaming everyone in the organization for Pryor not being ready to play in the league (or not playing him because they’re “afraid” he might be good) is amazing to me. Even the guy that drafted him told him that he’d have to be patient and wait his turn, and by most accounts Al was the only GM in the league that would have spent even a third-rounder on him.

    For all you know, DeFillippo could be doing a great job with Pryor. Believe it or not, it might actually be true that he’s not yet ready to be an NFL quarterback.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Pryor should start and play the whole game.

  • http://www.raiders.com KoolKell

    John David Booty Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Edward Teach Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    JDB,

    Nobody’s talking about using them the same way. I was adamant that we needed a possesion receiver when Crabtree was available. We needed (and still do) a guy that can make the tough catch on third down to move the chains, and someone that can catch the ball if it’s not thrown perfectly.

    As far as skillset goes, I think you have to start with the ability to catch the football. Doesn’t matter how explosive you are if you let the ball clank off your hands or bounce off the spot between the 8 and the 5. DHB is a nice kid and he works very hard, and yes he is fast and physical. He does not catch the ball consistently enough to be a top-level receiver in the NFL, however, and has proven that time and again.

    You can have your two plays a game where “if he catches it he could score”. I’ll take the guy that catches everything and moves the chains.
    ——————————————
    Id take the guy that “catches” everything too. But Michael Crabtree, that is not. Again, I agree he has good hands, but where youre getting the idea that he “catches everything in sight” is beyond me. Wait, are you going off of Harbaughs comment, saying Crabs has the best hands hes ever seen? I certainly hope not. Ive seen Crabtree drop his share of catchable balls, just like every NFL WR. His catch rate, per passes thrown to him since he got in the league have been 56% in 2009, 55% in 2010, and 64% last year. Not great, not horrible. About average.

    DHB only being able to get 2 catches and turn one is misleading as well. He had 3 100 yard games last year, not All Pro stats, but evidence of ability. Also 7 catches for 99 yards in a win over The playoff Texans. 8 for 155 against DET. Point is, the man has ability. You just have to know how to get production out of your players. A good coach knows how. A clueless coach can definitely make good players look average, and average players look bad. Just like a good coach can make bad players look average and average players look good. They also make good players great.

    At the end of the day, neither are world class WRs to me, but they both can be good #2 WR’s, depending on how theyre used, and what system theyre in. Id still be more inclined to go with DHB, based on his ability. Crabtree, what you see is what you get. DHB, I dont feel has tapped out his potential yet. But again, its all opinion. I just dont regret taking DHB over Crabtree.
    =====================
    Only a complete dumbass would say this.
    Change your name to John David head up his ass Booty.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    lol at saying Crabtree doesnt catch everything.

    Crabtree is 10x the PURE WR DHB is.

    Period. End of story. DHB was a wasted pick just like all the other picks were.

  • http://www.raiders.com KoolKell

    tuckrulefool Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    K0.0L KELL:

    BLOW ME
    —————-
    Sorry pootbutt, not my thing. See Dr. Robert for that.

  • theghostronin79

    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
    Pryor should start and play the whole game.

    ===========

    yeah SHOULD…….but Prolly WON’T

  • RaiderDebo

    December 26th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
    lol at saying Crabtree doesnt catch everything.

    Crabtree is 10x the PURE WR DHB is.

    Period. End of story. DHB was a wasted pick just like all the other picks were.

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    Maybe that #7 pick that year would have made the offense work if we had taken Crabtree instead. JaMarcus didn’t have one reciever during his time here that would have been a #4 guy on any other team in the league. Crabtree would have changed that.

  • The_Judge37

    Actually, you DON’T know what he’s doing with Pryor. Pryor has zero experience in a pro-style offense and his throwing mechanics and footwork coming out of college were a mess.

    The whole fascination with blaming everyone in the organization for Pryor not being ready to play in the league (or not playing him because they’re “afraid” he might be good) is amazing to me. Even the guy that drafted him told him that he’d have to be patient and wait his turn, and by most accounts Al was the only GM in the league that would have spent even a third-rounder on him.

    For all you know, DeFillippo could be doing a great job with Pryor. Believe it or not, it might actually be true that he’s not yet ready to be an NFL quarterback.
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    Of course it’s all speculation. But fact is, Pryor does have a history of success at QB, while not in the NFL, it’s still some history.

    DeFilippo on the other hand, has absolutley not history of success at any level. Aside from his stunning resume of NFL QB’s under his tutlage, he’s never been a QB coach at any level for longer than 2 years.

    Sure Pryor is a complete project. But no reason he should’ve made 0 progress in a full year. But we really don’t know since we’ve not seen him play. However he did get closer to throwing a TD Pass last week to Reese than Lienart did all game.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    even the cards can name a starting qb on wed..

  • RAIDERMAN99

    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    Also wanted to tell you that I got a good laugh out of your ‘question for DA’ post the other day…

    “Didn’t I tell you to go fk yourself ?’ had me in stiches.
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    Thanks, but i have to give credit to Joe Pesci in Goodfellas for that one. “Bing, pow, boom”

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    LOL, I knew it was from Goodfellas.

    Still thought the way you brought it into the ‘ask Tits’ conversation was ‘amusing’.

    You really are a funny guy !

  • The_Judge37

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
    The_Judge37 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    Also wanted to tell you that I got a good laugh out of your ‘question for DA’ post the other day…

    “Didn’t I tell you to go fk yourself ?’ had me in stiches.
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    Thanks, but i have to give credit to Joe Pesci in Goodfellas for that one. “Bing, pow, boom”

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    LOL, I knew it was from Goodfellas.

    Still thought the way you brought it into the ‘ask Tits’ conversation was ‘amusing’.

    You really are a funny guy !
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    Thank’s, i just wish i had more material that i didn’t have to rag on my own team.

  • The_Judge37

    You really are a funny guy !
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    Ahh i see what you did there. LOL

  • John David Booty

    Charlie Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    John David

    Any coaches on our staff making the salaries below????
    Tell me when the coaches make up 80% of the Raider payroll. Not opinion, just what the munbers say.

    Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
    DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
    QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
    LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
    CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
    FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
    RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
    DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
    WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
    LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
    P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
    TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
    DT John Henderson $4,750,000
    PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
    CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
    LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
    OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
    FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
    DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
    SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
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    Charlie,

    Depends on how you view situations. One can look at it and make excuses. Another can look at it and make the most of it. But thats neither here nor there. The #s youre posting are misleading. Every team has players that are making more than the coaches, thats a non-factor.

    Seymour, OK, I’ll take that hit. What can you do there?

    Carson Palmer is our starting QB, and both the staff and management acknowledged that they were fine with having him, and paying him. No matter what anyone here thinks, the staff STILL BELIEVED in CP. His salary is what teams are gonna pay for a good starting QB. By the way, he also restructured, so his cap hit wasnt 12 mil, it was 4.

    Wimbley was cut. Cap hit was 6 mil, not 11 though, so not sure where you got that math. We actually could have kept him for what TEN gave him, but thats another story.

    Routt was cut and bought out. Hit was 5 mil, not 10. You cant go off the salary at the start of things, you have to go by the end result to see what the effect on the cap was.

    McFadden, 9 mil. Again, I know there are GMs who wouldnt have a problem paying McFadden, Peterson, etc 9 mil. Its all on what you get. Before this season started, and DMac was subject to Knapps playcalls, the whole league had Dmac as #2 behind Peterson. So, I dont think there were any complaints about paying him coming into the year.

    Houston and Mitchell have earned their 1 mil salaries, as far as Im concerned. Peanuts. Non-issue.

    I dont know, man. Every team has cap issues they have to massage and resolve. Just taking a look at ours, it looks tough, but not impossible.

    And those players being paid, they still play football. The cap is not an excuse for the production and poor coaching decisions. It just is what it is. A good coach and GM could handle the situation we had, you cant change my mind on that. We just didnt get a good GM or head coach. It happens. Wish it didnt happen to the Raiders.

  • LA to TheBay

    The fact that Pryor is even being considered to start shows that DA has little confidence in Lienart.

  • Dan78

    KoolKell Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
    tuckrulefool Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    K0.0L KELL:

    BLOW ME
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    Sorry pootbutt, not my thing. See Dr. Robert for that.
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    I nominate for the ibabuzz Post of The Day…

  • John David Booty

    RaiderDebo Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
    lol at saying Crabtree doesnt catch everything.

    Crabtree is 10x the PURE WR DHB is.

    Period. End of story. DHB was a wasted pick just like all the other picks were.

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    Maybe that #7 pick that year would have made the offense work if we had taken Crabtree instead. JaMarcus didn’t have one reciever during his time here that would have been a #4 guy on any other team in the league. Crabtree would have changed that.
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    How would Crabtree have changed that? His first season, he was recovering from an injury, had no training camp, and actually held out most of the season. Wouldnt have been much help to Jamarcus, or the Raiders.

    Im I going crazy. When did Crabtree become Andre Johnson? I see he has a lot of fans in here these days.

  • The_Judge37

    LA to TheBay Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    The fact that Pryor is even being considered to start shows that DA has little confidence in Lienart.
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    Not since Chad Pennington have i seen a QB throw a lob so hard and it only goes 20 yards.

  • edward teach

    39.The_Judge37 Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
    Actually, you DON’T know what he’s doing with Pryor. Pryor has zero experience in a pro-style offense and his throwing mechanics and footwork coming out of college were a mess.

    The whole fascination with blaming everyone in the organization for Pryor not being ready to play in the league (or not playing him because they’re “afraid” he might be good) is amazing to me. Even the guy that drafted him told him that he’d have to be patient and wait his turn, and by most accounts Al was the only GM in the league that would have spent even a third-rounder on him.

    For all you know, DeFillippo could be doing a great job with Pryor. Believe it or not, it might actually be true that he’s not yet ready to be an NFL quarterback.
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    Of course it’s all speculation. But fact is, Pryor does have a history of success at QB, while not in the NFL, it’s still some history.

    DeFilippo on the other hand, has absolutley not history of success at any level. Aside from his stunning resume of NFL QB’s under his tutlage, he’s never been a QB coach at any level for longer than 2 years.

    Sure Pryor is a complete project. But no reason he should’ve made 0 progress in a full year. But we really don’t know since we’ve not seen him play. However he did get closer to throwing a TD Pass last week to Reese than Lienart did all game.

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    The world is full of QBs that had success in college and couldn’t make it in the pros. Ohio State probably has more than anyone else. They win 10-12 games virtually every year, regardless of who’s under center.

    I’ll say it again; you simply cannot state with any credibility that Pryor has made zero progress under DeFillippo. In fact, both Allen and Knapp have said publicly that he HAS gotten better.

    I just wish that people in here would remember that Pryor was an acknowleged project when he was drafted, and that miracle overnight development, particularly at his position, just doesn’t happen. I’d love for the kid to put it together and hope he does, but I also saw him play in college and in my humble opinion he has a lot of work to do to get to NFL starter level.

  • John David Booty

    KoolKell Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
    John David Booty Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Edward Teach Says:
    December 26th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
    JDB,

    Nobody’s talking about using them the same way. I was adamant that we needed a possesion receiver when Crabtree was available. We needed (and still do) a guy that can make the tough catch on third down to move the chains, and someone that can catch the ball if it’s not thrown perfectly.

    As far as skillset goes, I think you have to start with the ability to catch the football. Doesn’t matter how explosive you are if you let the ball clank off your hands or bounce off the spot between the 8 and the 5. DHB is a nice kid and he works very hard, and yes he is fast and physical. He does not catch the ball consistently enough to be a top-level receiver in the NFL, however, and has proven that time and again.

    You can have your two plays a game where “if he catches it he could score”. I’ll take the guy that catches everything and moves the chains.
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    Id take the guy that “catches” everything too. But Michael Crabtree, that is not. Again, I agree he has good hands, but where youre getting the idea that he “catches everything in sight” is beyond me. Wait, are you going off of Harbaughs comment, saying Crabs has the best hands hes ever seen? I certainly hope not. Ive seen Crabtree drop his share of catchable balls, just like every NFL WR. His catch rate, per passes thrown to him since he got in the league have been 56% in 2009, 55% in 2010, and 64% last year. Not great, not horrible. About average.

    DHB only being able to get 2 catches and turn one is misleading as well. He had 3 100 yard games last year, not All Pro stats, but evidence of ability. Also 7 catches for 99 yards in a win over The playoff Texans. 8 for 155 against DET. Point is, the man has ability. You just have to know how to get production out of your players. A good coach knows how. A clueless coach can definitely make good players look average, and average players look bad. Just like a good coach can make bad players look average and average players look good. They also make good players great.

    At the end of the day, neither are world class WRs to me, but they both can be good #2 WR’s, depending on how theyre used, and what system theyre in. Id still be more inclined to go with DHB, based on his ability. Crabtree, what you see is what you get. DHB, I dont feel has tapped out his potential yet. But again, its all opinion. I just dont regret taking DHB over Crabtree.
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    Only a complete dumbass would say this.
    Change your name to John David head up his ass Booty.
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    Again,

    DHB 64 catches, 975 yards, 15.2 yards per catch.

    Crabtree 72 catches, 874 yards, 12.1 per catch.

    You can suck Crabtree’s n*ts. Thats your prerogative. I actually watch football and can comprehend whats taking place without having to fall in line with popular blog opinion.

    I’ll hold off on the insults, you get enough of that. But try to get slick tongued with me again, and it wont end so well. You are way too easy of a target. Dont f#ck with me, buddy. Im not the one.