Raiders shut out in Pro Bowl selections
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, December 26th, 2012 at 4:13 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The NFL announced the Pro Bowl selections Wednesday afternoon, and the Raiders didn’t have any players on the AFC team.
Kicker Sebastian Janikowski and fullback Marcel Reece were picked as alternates, the Raiders said. This is the first year since 2003 that the Raiders didn’t have at least one player selected.
Last year, Janikowski, punter Shane Lechler, long-snapper Jon Condo and defensive tackle Richard Seymour represented the Raiders in the Pro Bowl.
It seemed logical that Janikowski had the best chance of making the Pro Bowl among the Raiders players. He converted 31 of 34 field-goal attempts through the first 15 games, with his misses coming from 51, 61 and 64 yards.
Also, Janikowski won the fan portion of the voting, which accounts for one-third of the process. Players and coaches also get one-third of the vote.
Last season, Janikowski converted 31 of 35 field-goal attempts, including a league record-tying 63-yarder against the Denver Broncos in the regular-season opener.
The Cleveland Browns Phil Dawson was selected as the kicker for the AFC. He has made 28 of 29 field-goal attempts so far this season. His lone miss came against the Raiders in Oakland.
Coincidentally, Dawson signd with the Raiders as an undrafted free agent in 1998. He signed with the Browns in 1999 and developed into one of the league’s best kickers. Janikowski joined the Raiders in 2000 as a first-round draft pick.
Lechler’s streak of consecutive Pro Bowls made ended at five.
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December 26th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
uno
December 26th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
king
December 26th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
the mad bomber
December 26th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Thanks to our crack staff this is a first…..
December 26th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
got nothing
December 26th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Raiders didn’t deserve any pro bowl selections.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
No Pro Bowlers = Coaching…
Fire Knapp, and the ST coach
December 26th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Janikowski not in? The NFL is a fraud!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Teams with our record have atough time getting players past even if they’re better they will look at the record and pass.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
alternates are just the first losers…
December 26th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Hey just another medal to this incredible season….
December 26th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Raiders zero starters?
Two alternates?
49ers have 8 starters, and 8 alternates. Out of 22 positions, the 49ers have 16 players?
We really are the ugly stepchild of the bay, aren’t we?
December 26th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Raiders zero starters?
Two alternates?
49ers have 8 starters, and 8 alternates. Out of 22 positions, the 49ers have 16 players?
We really are the ugly stepchild of the bay, aren’t we?
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Go ahead and fester on me, loser. Lol
December 26th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Why is it the 49ers seem to do everything right, even when they are losing, and we can’t do anything right, even during winning years?
Are we just doomed to lose?
December 26th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Why hate the coaching staff , the team wasn’t going to go anywhere , Den locked the division up since midseason , we weren’t going to compete with them , we weren’t going to win wildcard either lol, quit kidding yourself , lets lose a close one tomorrow , secure #3 pick , used on Damontre Moore to Complement FA pass rusher and sign a #1 Receiver
December 26th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Why are same people crying 24/7 ? Don’t you guysa have nothing better to do ??
December 26th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
I still remember the Niners first SB. I actually started crying when they won. I always thought the Raiders pretty much owned the bay, but as it turned out, we just borrowed it for a bit.
My Mom kept slapping me upside my head, wondering why I was so upset.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
No worries. By the end of January, The raiders will have five or six guys on the team due to everyone and their momma suddenly getting this and that injury. Besides, we’re a 4-11 team. It’s not like the roster’s full of all this great talent.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Thanks Judge. That’s why I am not about to hand over $40 for NFL GameRewind, still I like to watch my beloved Raiders even in the dark times (as if there were any other kind!!)
I didn’t see the game as my DVR failed to record it while I sat in traffic on Sunday on I80-Donner Summit.
Hell I still don’t know the outcome…
Anyone know how to watch the game on the interwebs without paying the lame NFL Replay fees? As if I am going to PAY to watch a Raider game these days. 4 days later. While still paying Directv $100+ per month mostly just to watch Raider games….
December 26th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Why is it the 49ers seem to do everything right, even when they are losing, and we can’t do anything right, even during winning years?
Are we just doomed to lose?
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Who cares about the pro-bowl dude , it’s not even going to be there next year ,
December 26th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
I went to the 49ers Super Bowl parade, back in ‘82.
Front row on Market st.
Went to the Raiders parade after Super Bowl ‘02.
Except Al refused to let the players attend.
That was a dark day.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Why is it the 49ers seem to do everything right, even when they are losing, and we can’t do anything right, even during winning years?
Are we just doomed to lose?
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Seems like that dark cloud looms above Alameda and refuses to dispurse…
December 26th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Koolkell showing his true love is whiners
December 26th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Do you honestly think that DA and Krapp are going to play one of AL’s guys (TP) over one of Krapps bff’s (Leinart)?
They are just postponing the announcement as long as they can to avoid the backlash..
December 26th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Why hate the coaching staff , the team wasn’t going to go anywhere ,
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That’s why we hate the coaching staff
December 26th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Why is it the 49ers seem to do everything right, even when they are losing, and we can’t do anything right, even during winning years?
Are we just doomed to lose?
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Who cares about the pro-bowl dude , it’s not even going to be there next year ,
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Because it’s a measuring stick.
And we don’t measure up.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Well let the trolls have another day , they are reaching since they know , nobody will care about their trolling after the season is over
December 26th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I don’t mind stating I was a Niner fan when the Raiders went to LA.
Took awhile after Al came back for me to forgive him.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Why is it the 49ers seem to do everything right, even when they are losing, and we can’t do anything right, even during winning years?
Are we just doomed to lose?
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Who cares about the pro-bowl dude , it’s not even going to be there next year ,
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Because it’s a measuring stick.
And we don’t measure up.
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Yeah so what?? We finally had a new GM after million years , n can’t even let them builder franchise the wa they want to? Sometimes you have to take a few steps back before long jumps
December 26th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Why are same people crying 24/7 ? Don’t you guysa have nothing better to do ??
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From the guy who’s retired more crying towels since Elvis?
No one cries and whines like you. No one ever will.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I don’t mind stating I was a Niner fan when the Raiders went to LA.
Took awhile after Al came back for me to forgive him.
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Lol it wasn’t like Al was knocking down on ur door , to forgive him , but deep inside you felt at rooting for whiners even when they were winning , so you reached back to our manhood days and realized you only felt those days when you were a Raiders fan
December 26th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Damn. Guess that guy was right.
Few comments, and Priest disappeared almost as quickly as our defense did this year.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Sometimes you have to take a few steps back before long jumps
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Problem is this team turned around and took off in a full sprint in the wrong direction, and they’re still running.
If you timed this teams steps backward in a 40 yard dash, Al Davis would’ve drafted them.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I don’t mind stating I was a Niner fan when the Raiders went to LA.
Took awhile after Al came back for me to forgive him.
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For all you traders who bled red and gold, you can still jump ship…Only true Raider fans stick through the low points and the high… If you turned your back on the silver & black when they left to LA in the 80’s what will you do when they go back…
December 26th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
34.Dan78 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I don’t mind stating I was a Niner fan when the Raiders went to LA.
Took awhile after Al came back for me to forgive him.
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For all you traders who bled red and gold, you can still jump ship…Only true Raider fans stick through the low points and the high… If you turned your back on the silver & black when they left to LA in the 80’s what will you do when they go back…
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True, I started as a Los Angeles Raiders fan. Doesn’t bother me that they’re back in Oakland.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Why are same people crying 24/7 ? Don’t you guysa have nothing better to do ??
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From the guy who’s retired more crying towels since Elvis?
No one cries and whines like you. No one ever will.
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I don’t even post as often , lol but every day I come in to read the posts it’s the same usual guys banging their heads against Te wall , fora Da , this coaching staff sucks , Pryor , wave of future , freaking stupid lol
December 26th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Bummer for central Mich starting fullback. Injured on the kickoff and out of the game
They don’t stand a chance against the Hilltoppers anyway
December 26th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I don’t mind stating I was a Niner fan when the Raiders went to LA.
Took awhile after Al came back for me to forgive him.
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Lol it wasn’t like Al was knocking down on ur door , to forgive him , but deep inside you felt at rooting for whiners even when they were winning , so you reached back to our manhood days and realized you only felt those days when you were a Raiders fan
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Actually threw a couple of 49er SB parties that were totally kicking it. 87 and 88 especially were pretty big.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Damn… So that means since DA has been hired Dmac, D moore, Dhb, Reece, Seymour, Shaughnessy, kelly, and even shane lechler has regressed or dropped in performance. Smh Awful awful coaching staff.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
This is BS. Janikowski is by far and away the leagues best kicker and it isnt even close.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Lol it wasn’t like Al was knocking down on ur door , to forgive him , but deep inside you felt at rooting for whiners even when they were winning , so you reached back to our manhood days and realized you only felt those days when you were a Raiders fan
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Felt gay rooting for whiners ^*** @ KK, right old fart??
December 26th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Dan78 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I don’t mind stating I was a Niner fan when the Raiders went to LA.
Took awhile after Al came back for me to forgive him.
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For all you traders who bled red and gold, you can still jump ship…Only true Raider fans stick through the low points and the high… If you turned your back on the silver & black when they left to LA in the 80’s what will you do when they go back…
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Actually it’s not red and gold. It’s crimson and gold.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Don’t know of any other NFL organization in today’s game who would bring back a coach who tanked an 8-8 playoff contender.
Reggie must fire DA now to save his own skin. If DA is kept and this happens again next year (which it will) than Reggie is gone too. I hope he realizes that.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
I hope we kick Rivers butt this week. No more sweeps in the division. We have to pull this one out.
It is all on TP’s shoulders. His and DMAC. Been waiting all year for the ballet queen to run like a NFL player
December 26th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Janikowski is still the best kicker bar none but who cares , it’s just exhibition game anyways
December 26th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
pink and yellow, those are your true colors…
December 26th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
According to 2 or 3 people on this blog, Dennis Allen is a good coach, is doing a fine job, and should definitely be brought back next season. He’s the best man for the job.
To me, Hue Jackson was Mike White.
That would make Dennis Allen Joe Bugel.
Yeah, its time to move on.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Lol it’s the same idiots week in an week out , repeating the obvious , that we suck , sometimes I feel like whiners hired these guys so they can use some fans to fill out that new stadium in 2014
December 26th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
sorry but uno wasnt as good as ” la primera lives!”
December 26th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
One bit of sweet victory…Won my FF championship. I had to choose from Eli, Freeman or pick Russell Wilson off waivers.
I started Wilson, all my 49-whiner friends said I was stupid and I should have started Eli…
December 26th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
34.Dan78 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I don’t mind stating I was a Niner fan when the Raiders went to LA.
Took awhile after Al came back for me to forgive him.
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For all you traders who bled red and gold, you can still jump ship…Only true Raider fans stick through the low points and the high… If you turned your back on the silver & black when they left to LA in the 80’s what will you do when they go back…
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True, I started as a Los Angeles Raiders fan. Doesn’t bother me that they’re back in Oakland.
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I grew up as an LA Raider fan and was crushed when they went back to Oakland. But I sucked it up and remembered I was a Raider fan. Who cares where they play even if they have played away games for 17 seasons, j/k…
December 26th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
good thing that dvmbaszs DAV isnt in here he loves DA…
December 26th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Staley. Iupati. Bowman. Goldson. Gore. Aldon Smith. Justim Smith. Donte Williams. Patrick Willis.
All starters for the 49ers, in the ProBowl.
Raiders starters:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
49.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
sorry but uno wasnt as good as ” la primera lives!”
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I watch way too many movies
December 26th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
but cork says this staff knows what they are doing….
December 26th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Greg knapp wasn’t his 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice , so the point is mute that DA can’t make good decisions , as far as the D side goes? I see them battling even with Te ineptitude of our O, I see guys laying out there and going the extra mile , we’re talking about a historically bad D since 02 , DA is making chumps play like 02 Bucs
December 26th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
54…best one ive seen so far…
December 26th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
We should go through our roster, one by one, and see which players have actually regressed/improved since last season. Fine, you wanna say that DA had all these issues to face and we should have expected 4-12. Cool. But there is one place where we can still evaluate a coaches effectiveness, and that is the individual progression/regression a player makes from one year to the next.
Look at how many of our guys are playing at a far lower level than they were last year. Did everyone on our team suddenly get worse? How exactly does that happen?
December 26th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
56.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Greg knapp wasn’t his 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice , so the point is mute that DA can’t make good decisions , as far as the D side goes? I see them battling even with Te ineptitude of our O, I see guys laying out there and going the extra mile , we’re talking about a historically bad D since 02 , DA is making chumps play like 02 Bucs
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What’s the excuse for hiring John DeFilippo?
December 26th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Hard to argue with this.
RaiderRan Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Stop the We Miss Hue whine. Hue is gone, and should stay gone. Anyone who says otherwise didn’t pay attention last year.
Hue took over Cable’s 8-8 team. Yes, Hue finished at 8-8 but only because of a monumental collapse at the end of the year, that should not have happened.
-Raiders started season 7-4, only to lose 4 of the last 5 games. Just one win in there would have put us in the playoffs. That is on the coaches. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Hue said he was going to build a bully. He couldn’t build a box with lego’s if you spotted him 3 sides. Under Hue in charge, the Raiders committed 163 penalties. AN NFL RECORD. For 1,358 yds. ANOTHER NFL RECORD. Not only did Hue not instill discipline, the team got worse. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 31 TD passes. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 5.1 yds per carry, on defense. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 4,262 yds passing. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 6,201 total yards. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 433 pts. the 3RD WORST IN FRANCHISE HISTORY. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, was one of only 4 TEAMS, IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL, TO GIVE UP AT LEAST 30 TD PASSES, AND AT LEAST 5.0 YARDS PER CARRY. Two of those teams were the ‘50 Colts and the ‘52 Texans. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, became the sixth team since the 1970 merger to allow at least 2,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing in a season. FAIL Bye Hue.
Forget Hue acting like a total idiot, and prima donna, demanding more control. Or him throwing the team under the bus, after stating all along he deserved all the blame. He got fired because he didn’t just do an inadequate job, but, as you can see above, Hue did a horrible job.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Look at the way D is fighting for this coach, all the guy needs is a beast pass rusher and a few more good players on that side, he would def bring in an exciting OC, norv would love to come back here
December 26th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
61.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Look at the way D is fighting for this coach, all the guy needs is a beast pass rusher and a few more good players on that side, he would def bring in an exciting OC, norv would love to come back here
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That’s fine vs KC and the Panthers, but where was this fight in week 1, or when they were getting blown out?
December 26th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Look at the way D is fighting for this coach, all the guy needs is a beast pass rusher and a few more good players on that side, he would def bring in an exciting OC, norv would love to come back here
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Norv might just want to stick it to the Chargers just like he stuck it to us….
December 26th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
56.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Greg knapp wasn’t his 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice , so the point is mute that DA can’t make good decisions , as far as the D side goes? I see them battling even with Te ineptitude of our O, I see guys laying out there and going the extra mile , we’re talking about a historically bad D since 02 , DA is making chumps play like 02 Bucs
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What’s the excuse for hiring John DeFilippo?
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Coach only hired knapp, because he didn’t have any other options, n then knapp brought all the garbage with him
December 26th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Greg knapp wasn’t his 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice , so the point is mute that DA can’t make good decisions , as far as the D side goes? I see them battling even with Te ineptitude of our O, I see guys laying out there and going the extra mile , we’re talking about a historically bad D since 02 , DA is making chumps play like 02 Bucs
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You couldnt have possibly saw the 02 Bucs play if you think this team is playing like them. Based on what? A win against KC, the worst team in the league. So they held the mighty Carolina Panthers to 17 points. That makes them the 02 Bucs. Come on, man.
Gave up 35 to MIA
34 to PITT
37 to DEN
42 to TB
55 to BAL
38 to NO
34 to CIN
and the might Cleveland Browns carved us up for 475 yards.
Still think we’re playing like the 02 Bucs?
December 26th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
64.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
56.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Greg knapp wasn’t his 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice , so the point is mute that DA can’t make good decisions , as far as the D side goes? I see them battling even with Te ineptitude of our O, I see guys laying out there and going the extra mile , we’re talking about a historically bad D since 02 , DA is making chumps play like 02 Bucs
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What’s the excuse for hiring John DeFilippo?
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Coach only hired knapp, because he didn’t have any other options, n then knapp brought all the garbage with him
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Sounds like a pretty bad decision to me. Why not go with a complete Rookie like he did with Tarver for OC? Considering Knapp’s track record. Not getting everything you want is not excuse for failure
December 26th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
he should have gone after Marc Trestman…
December 26th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
61.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Look at the way D is fighting for this coach, all the guy needs is a beast pass rusher and a few more good players on that side, he would def bring in an exciting OC, norv would love to come back here
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That’s fine vs KC and the Panthers, but where was this fight in week 1, or when they were getting blown out?
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The point is the D wasn’t very good to start with , so DA is sorting out done trash n have found some gems like Adams Ross who are probably going to snag starting position on this team next year , that’s all you can expect, you don’t really expect a coach to come in and change a horrible D since 02 over night ,did you? Now I see why Broncos won those games, with Tebow , the D didn’t give up, they kept fighting even when Tebow was going 3 n outs all damn day long
December 26th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Its funny.. This week last year *nobody* was saying the Raiders are going ‘nowhere’ – we all were flying high expecting to make the playoffs for the 1st time in a decade and looking forward to a 2012 season with Hue’s offense, DMAC and Palmer in the same backfield and a new D coordinator. We had been frikin 9-2!! in the division in the previous 2 years and were looking to smack SD *again* and get a home playoff game.
Now, the same week this year the BS talk from these clowns that have no frikin clue is ‘The Raiders were going nowhere anyway and we need to suck again to get better’ – what a joke. This team was *not* going nowhere!
This season did not need to happen this way!!! – nothing good comes from losing – nothing!!! I’ve been a fan for 20 years and this is the most disappointing season since 2002 (maybe more) and there is nothing to hope for moving forward with this staff in place!!
Watching DA accept losing is like watching us get beat by our own coach in the SB – its gut wrenching!
December 26th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
If you get shut down on your 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.. choice, then dont settle, try harder to make a good choice. Or settle for Al Saunders, who already was part of a decent offense, and you get some continuty where it’s needed, on Offense, and change were is needed, on defense.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
64.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
56.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Greg knapp wasn’t his 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice , so the point is mute that DA can’t make good decisions , as far as the D side goes? I see them battling even with Te ineptitude of our O, I see guys laying out there and going the extra mile , we’re talking about a historically bad D since 02 , DA is making chumps play like 02 Bucs
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What’s the excuse for hiring John DeFilippo?
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Coach only hired knapp, because he didn’t have any other options, n then knapp brought all the garbage with him
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Sounds like a pretty bad decision to me. Why not go with a complete Rookie like he did with Tarver for OC? Considering Knapp’s track record. Not getting everything you want is not excuse for failure
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Cuz he’s going to be helping the D side anyways , it was going to be his D, I thought you guys knew this
December 26th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Kk Teams just go thru thin gs like this over a period of time. You cannot ask a team to win eternally.
Sports is a funny business that’s why when you are winning you better enjoy it because it truely does not last long. I remember the Pat’s losing for years and GB went 25 years almost losing after their glory years.
It’s just the way sports works……no rhyme or reason for it. I would hate to be the Kansas Cities of the world look how long it’s been. Or the Jets, or Cubs for God’s sake. Winning is fleeting losing is more likely.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
68.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
61.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Look at the way D is fighting for this coach, all the guy needs is a beast pass rusher and a few more good players on that side, he would def bring in an exciting OC, norv would love to come back here
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That’s fine vs KC and the Panthers, but where was this fight in week 1, or when they were getting blown out?
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The point is the D wasn’t very good to start with , so DA is sorting out done trash n have found some gems like Adams Ross who are probably going to snag starting position on this team next year , that’s all you can expect, you don’t really expect a coach to come in and change a horrible D since 02 over night ,did you? Now I see why Broncos won those games, with Tebow , the D didn’t give up, they kept fighting even when Tebow was going 3 n outs all damn day long
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I’ll praise Adams and Ross if they keep it up. At one time, Fabian Washington, Routt and Chris Johnson were “Gems” for one season too
December 26th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
dennis allen ….
Our offensive line was so good that even our backs couldn’t get through it.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
I’m not saying this D is really the 02 bucaneers lol that’s probably the top 5 d off all times , all I’m saying is look at the effort on that side, you have to commend then for the effort, the guys on his side are playing with fire , we probably have the worst talent on D side in the nfl but as of late , our team has done impressive job on that side, you can’t deny that even if your a DA hater from the core
December 26th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
The only reason we went backwards is the GM fired a coach who had us on the right track..you cannot make mistakes like that….. and expect to win.
December 26th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
71. Refer to my #70 post
December 26th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
76. Priesttj12
Amen brother.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Kk Teams just go thru thin gs like this over a period of time. You cannot ask a team to win eternally.
Sports is a funny business that’s why when you are winning you better enjoy it because it truely does not last long. I remember the Pat’s losing for years and GB went 25 years almost losing after their glory years.
It’s just the way sports works……no rhyme or reason for it. I would hate to be the Kansas Cities of the world look how long it’s been. Or the Jets, or Cubs for God’s sake. Winning is fleeting losing is more likely.
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True , well said , your best post since I don’t know ever
December 26th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
If DA didn’t have his 1stchoice in hiring Knapp, he could’ve just settled for Al Saunders.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
dennis allen again
Next year I can assure you that we are going to move the ball. I just hope that it’s forward.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
74.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
dennis allen ….
Our offensive line was so good that even our backs couldn’t get through it.
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LOL, i just got Justin Fargas flashbacks.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
68.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
61.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Look at the way D is fighting for this coach, all the guy needs is a beast pass rusher and a few more good players on that side, he would def bring in an exciting OC, norv would love to come back here
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That’s fine vs KC and the Panthers, but where was this fight in week 1, or when they were getting blown out?
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The point is the D wasn’t very good to start with , so DA is sorting out done trash n have found some gems like Adams Ross who are probably going to snag starting position on this team next year , that’s all you can expect, you don’t really expect a coach to come in and change a horrible D since 02 over night ,did you? Now I see why Broncos won those games, with Tebow , the D didn’t give up, they kept fighting even when Tebow was going 3 n outs all damn day long
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I’ll praise Adams and Ross if they keep it up. At one time, Fabian Washington, Routt and Chris Johnson were “Gems” for one season too
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Adams and Ross looks like keepers , there was another guy (Underwood ) who was all over the field before getting hurt , Reggie knows what he’s doing when he brought in D minded coach , these are things he can make a difference at
December 26th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Just thought I should point it out: Anyone blaming DA for this is a moron who should probably stop trying to analyze anything harder to figure out than a doorknob.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
82.The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
74.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
dennis allen ….
Our offensive line was so good that even our backs couldn’t get through it.
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LOL, i just got Justin Fargas flashbacks.
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Actually McFadden does kinda look like the crash test dummy in the wrong ways…Am I wrong? Its seems like McFadden keeps running into the back of the Olineman and falling over?
December 26th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
As far as O goes , yes DA made a bad hiring , but it wasn’t like he was his top choice he just had to get some one cuz the draft was coming up n time was running out, you guys really think he wouldn’t have hired some one better if he was given more time
December 26th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
61.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Look at the way D is fighting for this coach, all the guy needs is a beast pass rusher and a few more good players on that side, he would def bring in an exciting OC, norv would love to come back here
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That’s fine vs KC and the Panthers, but where was this fight in week 1, or when they were getting blown out?
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The point is the D wasn’t very good to start with , so DA is sorting out done trash n have found some gems like Adams Ross who are probably going to snag starting position on this team next year , that’s all you can expect, you don’t really expect a coach to come in and change a horrible D since 02 over night ,did you? Now I see why Broncos won those games, with Tebow , the D didn’t give up, they kept fighting even when Tebow was going 3 n outs all damn day long
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Stop that. D has not been terrible since 02. I understand youre trying to make a point, but dont make stuff up to do it.
2012 30th in team D
2011 27th
2010 13th
2009 24th
2008 19th
2007 22nd
2006 8th
2005 20th
2004 26th
2003 26th
2002 7th
Those are the last 10 years. 2 top 10 finishes. Not bad. Truth is, last season was the worse that I have ever seen a Raiders defense look.
Until this year.
The rankings speak for themselves.
And if the Chargers score 14 points this week, we will have surpassed last years mark for points given up.
DA does NOT have these guys playing like the 02 Bucs.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
86.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
As far as O goes , yes DA made a bad hiring , but it wasn’t like he was his top choice he just had to get some one cuz the draft was coming up n time was running out, you guys really think he wouldn’t have hired some one better if he was given more time
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No i don’t think so. It’d be nice to know who were his choices, but like i said, why not settle for Al Saunders and keep some continuty with the offense? Couldn’t possibly be any worse than Knapp
December 26th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
I used to tell you guys before Al Davis died you would miss him before ever starting to win. It is very tough business and Mrk Davis will probably go thru a similar fate that the Niners ownership went thru.
he will be forced to make sure his GM and HC are doing the doing right thing. He cannot just hire some guy and expect that guy to treat his business as HE would. he has to make sure they do the right thing.period
To hell with what people think GM’s and coaches make some horrendous errors and an owner you better watch them.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
As far as O goes , yes DA made a bad hiring , but it wasn’t like he was his top choice he just had to get some one cuz the draft was coming up n time was running out, you guys really think he wouldn’t have hired some one better if he was given more time , like he was hired right after the season was over, I think his D.Co hiring was solid even with his 5th or 6th choice , Tarver will do awesome job in his 2nd year, as far as D minded coaches bringing in O guys ,they don’t know what they are doing, they don’t have a good list of offensive coaches, so got shutdown 3-4 times, had to settle with knapp idiot
December 26th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
85.DutchRaider77 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
82.The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
74.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
dennis allen ….
Our offensive line was so good that even our backs couldn’t get through it.
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LOL, i just got Justin Fargas flashbacks.
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Actually McFadden does kinda look like the crash test dummy in the wrong ways…Am I wrong? Its seems like McFadden keeps running into the back of the Olineman and falling over?
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Yeah but like Huggy Bear Jr., if he ever breaks out that other side, watch out
December 26th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
68.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
61.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Look at the way D is fighting for this coach, all the guy needs is a beast pass rusher and a few more good players on that side, he would def bring in an exciting OC, norv would love to come back here
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That’s fine vs KC and the Panthers, but where was this fight in week 1, or when they were getting blown out?
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The point is the D wasn’t very good to start with , so DA is sorting out done trash n have found some gems like Adams Ross who are probably going to snag starting position on this team next year , that’s all you can expect, you don’t really expect a coach to come in and change a horrible D since 02 over night ,did you? Now I see why Broncos won those games, with Tebow , the D didn’t give up, they kept fighting even when Tebow was going 3 n outs all damn day long
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I’ll praise Adams and Ross if they keep it up. At one time, Fabian Washington, Routt and Chris Johnson were “Gems” for one season too
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Adams and Ross looks like keepers , there was another guy (Underwood ) who was all over the field before getting hurt , Reggie knows what he’s doing when he brought in D minded coach , these are things he can make a difference at
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Making a difference indeed.
From the 27th ranked defense last year, to the 30th this year.
14 more points to go Dennis, and you will have topped last seasons embarrassment.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
84.Kamikaze_Sensei Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Just thought I should point it out: Anyone blaming DA for this is a moron who should probably stop trying to analyze anything harder to figure out than a doorknob.
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Same can be said for the people blaming a man who’s been dead for over a year.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
The Chiefs sent FIVE to the Pro-Bowl.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
I used to tell you guys before Al Davis died you would miss him before ever starting to win. It is very tough business and Mrk Davis will probably go thru a similar fate that the Niners ownership went thru.
he will be forced to make sure his GM and HC are doing the doing right thing. He cannot just hire some guy and expect that guy to treat his business as HE would. he has to make sure they do the right thing.period
To hell with what people think GM’s and coaches make some horrendous errors and an owner you better watch them.
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It’s been only 1 year , just calm down , lol when Al took over he was really the smartest guy out there but in his latter days he s7ckdd , we needed a new GM, you can’t judge anything after 1 year
December 26th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Making a difference indeed.
From the 27th ranked defense last year, to the 30th this year.
14 more points to go Dennis, and you will have topped last seasons embarrassment.
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But where’s the stat for effort?
December 26th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
I used to tell you guys before Al Davis died you would miss him before ever starting to win. It is very tough business and Mrk Davis will probably go thru a similar fate that the Niners ownership went thru.
he will be forced to make sure his GM and HC are doing the doing right thing. He cannot just hire some guy and expect that guy to treat his business as HE would. he has to make sure they do the right thing.period
To hell with what people think GM’s and coaches make some horrendous errors and an owner you better watch them.
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I missed him the moment he stopped breathing. Al Davis’ dont come along too often. Al Davis was a real boss, and someone Ive always looked up to in this life. If anyone here was even able to accomplish half of what Al did, theyd be making good for themselves. Reggie is no Al Davis.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
This is the first year since 2003 that the Raiders didn’t have at least one player selected to the pro bowl.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
KC Had 5 Pro bowl selections? Really? Tell me there’s no conspiracy against the Raiders. Now I agree that there is some slim pickin’s but KC had Probowlers,…..
Just think about that
December 26th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
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Stop that. D has not been terrible since 02. I understand youre trying to make a point, but dont make stuff up to do it.
2012 30th in team D
2011 27th
2010 13th
2009 24th
2008 19th
2007 22nd
2006 8th
2005 20th
2004 26th
2003 26th
2002 7th
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Yes but none of those teams had to deal with Salary cap issues, bad drafts, limited draft picks.
(Sarcasm in case it need to be pointed out)
December 26th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Adams and Ross looks like keepers , there was another guy (Underwood ) who was all over the field before getting hurt , Reggie knows what he’s doing when he brought in D minded coach , these are things he can make a difference at
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Making a difference indeed.
From the 27th ranked defense last year, to the 30th this year.
14 more points to go Dennis, and you will have topped last seasons embarrassment.
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Dude the guy took over garbage , we had to cut two guys who were earning over 10 M n one of Thw other top check cashew has not even suited up , one of them is top pick , who is going the route of J Russell , the point is he has the D playing better as the season is going along , I know the shutout came against KC but to shutout anyone is really impressive, and holding Carolina to jus 17 points is impressive when we kept going 3 n outs , he needed sum time to figure sh1t out , The D is balling lately if u consider we might have the worst talent on that side out of all the teams
December 26th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Is my impostor still around????
December 26th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
99.Raiderbuck Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
KC Had 5 Pro bowl selections? Really? Tell me there’s no conspiracy against the Raiders. Now I agree that there is some slim pickin’s but KC had Probowlers,…..
Just think about that
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Who give’s a $h!t about the pro bowl.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
A priest, a rabbi, a doctor, and Dennis Allen go into a bar, and the bartender asks, “What is this, a joke?”
December 26th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
John
I have agreed from the beginning that getting an experienced HC would have been much better than starting off with a new inexperienced regime. I would have preferred continuity with Hue or Cable but that is over and it is time to move on.
I am amused by those who only offer one half of the equation. Fire all the coaches. Replaced by who?
“Still, the simple truth is that Knapp was not the Raiders’ first choice. He was hired after the Raiders interviewed a couple other candidates, and even that was long after pretty much every other team in the league had their coaching staff already set.
There remains a distinct possibility that Knapp will return in 2013. Maybe for the sake of continuity, or because it’s not as simple as most fans think to “upgrade” at a coaching position.”
I have pointed out many logical reasons why experienced people do not want the job.
The present staff and the SIX THAT HAVE PRECEEDED THEM FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS COULD NOT PRODUCE A WINNING SEASON LET ALONE GET TO THE PLAYOFFS. SEVEN DIFFERENT STAFFS IN TEN YEARS!!!!
I think that points to a lack of talent and NOT poor coaching as being the primary problem with the Raiders over the last decade.
I believe the saying goes something like; Insanity is defined as continuing to do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
Have you been paying attention the last ten years?
Let’s try to get better players first and stop the silly delusion that we have the player talent to compete with Denver.
See the game on 12/6/12?
December 26th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
101.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Adams and Ross looks like keepers , there was another guy (Underwood ) who was all over the field before getting hurt , Reggie knows what he’s doing when he brought in D minded coach , these are things he can make a difference at
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Making a difference indeed.
From the 27th ranked defense last year, to the 30th this year.
14 more points to go Dennis, and you will have topped last seasons embarrassment.
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Dude the guy took over garbage , we had to cut two guys who were earning over 10 M n one of Thw other top check cashew has not even suited up , one of them is top pick , who is going the route of J Russell , the point is he has the D playing better as the season is going along , I know the shutout came against KC but to shutout anyone is really impressive, and holding Carolina to jus 17 points is impressive when we kept going 3 n outs , he needed sum time to figure sh1t out , The D is balling lately if u consider we might have the worst talent on that side out of all the teams
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He took garbage and made it worse. Most of those teams had the same horrible draft busts and 1st year HC/DC’s
December 26th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
So Carson Bomber got hurt in the game and Tyrell Pryor didn’t get to play?!?! Wtf!?!?
December 26th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
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Stop that. D has not been terrible since 02. I understand youre trying to make a point, but dont make stuff up to do it.
2012 30th in team D
2011 27th
2010 13th
2009 24th
2008 19th
2007 22nd
2006 8th
2005 20th
2004 26th
2003 26th
2002 7th
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Yes but none of those teams had to deal with Salary cap issues, bad drafts, limited draft picks.
(Sarcasm in case it need to be pointed ar out)
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I really ment post Gannon years , ofcourse they were going to be awesome that year with Gannon scoring points at will, 06 was The year teams knew they won games once they scored over 10 points n they only needed to just kneel down and punt rest of the way ??
December 26th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
No Players in the Pro Bowl?
More surprised this team is still in the NFL…
What a joke this franchise has become.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
107.JLofty Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
So Carson Bomber got hurt in the game and Tyrell Pryor didn’t get to play?!?! Wtf!?!?
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He threw one pass to Marcell Reese that got stopped 2 yards short of the Goal line, which is too close for Knapp’s comfort level so both were taken out immediatly.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Transcript of interview after Reggie hired DA:
-McKENZIE: It was easy after the interview with coach Allen. It really was. I mean, we spent like five hours… ‘OK, I’ve got a good feel for this guy.’
So I knew immediately I wanted to see him again. And I knew I would have a chance to see him at the Senior Bowl. So I kind of made sure I continued to talk to other coaches, because I didn’t want to leave any stone unturned, if I got excited about somebody else.
But the bottom line, he was what the doctor ordered.
-Q: In what areas was Allen particularly strong, vs. the other candidates?
-McKENZIE: His knowledge for the game. I had to get me a football… what I call a football guy. His total understanding of football, his vision. He understood the big picture, not just defense.
He understood the big picture as far as putting a plan together, how to do this, this and this… we went over everything. And how you treat people, how you treat players, getting a staff together. It was all right in line (with) the way I was thinking.
-Q: He seemed to kind of come out of nowhere. What was the initial connection?
-McKENZIE: I never met him. Nobody really pushed him on me. Towards the end, when I knew, ‘OK, I may have a chance to interview with the Oakland Raiders’….
So we played Denver. I knew how good their defense was playing this year. With Tebow, everybody kept talking… their defense was really keeping them in.
(I said to myself) ‘I know Fox-y’s a defensive coach, but let me figure out who’s running this defense, how are they playing?’ Then I saw Dennis Allen. So I started researching. That’s how it started.
My research led me to (say), ‘Let me put him on this list to make sure I talk to him.’ Like I said, the more I talked to the players who played for him, the coaches who coached with him, it was raving reviews.
So we had a lot whole lot of like thoughts about football, the Raiders, players and his passion, his intensity and his drive, that was just icing on the cake.nturned, if I got excited about somebody else.
But the bottom line, he was what the doctor ordered.
-Q: In what areas was Allen particularly strong, vs. the other candidates?
-McKENZIE: His knowledge for the game. I had to get me a football… what I call a football guy. His total understanding of football, his vision. He understood the big picture, not just defense.
He understood the big picture as far as putting a plan together, how to do this, this and this… we went over everything. And how you treat people, how you treat players, getting a staff together. It was all right in line (with) the way I was thinking.
So we had a lot whole lot of like thoughts about football, the Raiders, players and his passion, his intensity and his drive, that was just icing on the cake.
-Q: During the interviews, was chemistry one of the most important things?
-McKENZIE: It had to be… definitely a part of it.
-Q: Looked like you had a teammate up there with you…
-McKENZIE: Yeah, that’s exactly what it was. You’ve got to have that. Because the NFL’s a hard business.
-Q: Was this an instant connection?
-McKENZIE: As the interview went, it just grew. It was one of those things, if I had a little guy on my right shoulder, he said, ‘Yeah, that’s the guy.’
It was kind of ‘Yeah, that was good, he answered that like I liked it.’ And ‘OK, he presented that, that’s right in line.’ As the interview went, the more and more I connected.
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Now what do you think, Reggie?! Just what the doctor ordered? LOL
December 26th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
I really ment post Gannon years , ofcourse they were going to be awesome that year with Gannon scoring points at will, 06 was The year teams knew they won games once they scored over 10 points n they only needed to just kneel down and punt rest of the way ??
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Well they had 1st year Coordinators and coaches from 10-12, with 12 being the worst
December 26th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Mark Davfis is NO Al Davis…
the Emporers son is more interested in being the “Team Owner”, than he is owning and operating an NFL team.
Reggie’s hire after 1, 1 freakin’ interview should have spelled out how bad his decision making was.
IF he hires a Pres. of Football Ops. to take over, there might be hope he is learning,
but giving Reggie (My Team) McMILLEN Carte Blanche to do it his way was Ludicrous…
December 26th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Adams and Ross looks like keepers , there was another guy (Underwood ) who was all over the field before getting hurt , Reggie knows what he’s doing when he brought in D minded coach , these are things he can make a difference at
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Making a difference indeed.
From the 27th ranked defense last year, to the 30th this year.
14 more points to go Dennis, and you will have topped last seasons embarrassment.
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Dude the guy took over garbage , we had to cut two guys who were earning over 10 M n one of Thw other top check cashew has not even suited up , one of them is top pick , who is going the route of J Russell , the point is he has the D playing better as the season is going along , I know the shutout came against KC but to shutout anyone is really impressive, and holding Carolina to jus 17 points is impressive when we kept going 3 n outs , he needed sum time to figure sh1t out , The D is balling lately if u consider we might have the worst talent on that side out of all the teams
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I dont consider that though. I dont think that the Raiders have the worst D talent in the league. Before the season started, everyone knew one of our strengths was our D-line. Granted, part of that was Seymour, but Kelly, Houston, Bryant, Shaugnessy. Please. Those men can play football. Kelly is doubled almost EVERY play. You think theyre doubling guys that cant play? And Bilukidi has been a handful also when hes been in there. Burris and Wheeler arent talented? McClain sucks, yes, but we arent the only team without an MLB. Both the Giants and Eagles need MLB help, but they werent getting blown out to the degree we were. Our secondary is where we could use some help, but even there, I find it curious that Branch was an up and comer, who made serious improvements the last 2 seasons, and this year, he looks like hes a rookie. Im just saying that while we dont have all-pros at all spots, we dont have complete scrubs that are incapable of fielding a defense better than 30th ranked.
We can go through rosters if you have time. I know some teams that would be thrilled to swap some players with us for what they have.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
101.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Adams and Ross looks like keepers , there was another guy (Underwood ) who was all over the field before getting hurt , Reggie knows what he’s doing when he brought in D minded coach , these are things he can make a difference at
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Making a difference indeed.
From the 27th ranked defense last year, to the 30th this year.
14 more points to go Dennis, and you will have topped last seasons embarrassment.
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Dude the guy took over garbage , we had to cut two guys who were earning over 10 M n one of Thw other top check cashew has not even suited up , one of them is top pick , who is going the route of J Russell , the point is he has the D playing better as the season is going along , I know the shutout came against KC but to shutout anyone is really impressive, and holding Carolina to jus 17 points is impressive when we kept going 3 n outs , he needed sum time to figure sh1t out , The D is balling lately if u consider we might have the worst talent on that side out of all the teams
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He took garbage and made it worse. Most of those teams had the same horrible draft busts and 1st year HC/DC’s
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Are you going to like totally dismiss everything ?? You are saying the D has not been playing awesome since the Denver game?? Obviously we s7ckrd from the start but u can’t dismiss that DA is getting them to play better as the are moving along, and that’s impressive when you consider our O has gotten even worse with Knapp, what more can you ask for ?? If you can make that side solid , with banged up secondary that was already horrible , Huff playing cb for first time n still learning, new MLB who we just signed couple if weeks ago, no real pass rush threat from anywhere, you can def expect awesome D if you can give him a couple of pass rushers and a little more talent on that side, Knapp will be gone after first week , he will be def replaced by very good OC , DA would not make anothe OC blunder
December 26th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
1- DT Star Lotulelie
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- MLB Andrew Jackson
Sign a CB and OLB in FA
December 26th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
The D plays solid when the game is over at halftime, which basically equals 10 points being scored by the opposing team…
December 26th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
I really ment post Gannon years , ofcourse they were going to be awesome that year with Gannon scoring points at will, 06 was The year teams knew they won games once they scored over 10 points n they only needed to just kneel down and punt rest of the way ??
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Well they had 1st year Coordinators and coaches from 10-12, with 12 being the worst
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They took over a side that couldn’t force a punt in week 17 when we needed to just win to make the playoffs , think about, that’s with Wimbley (who was overpaid but was our best pass rusher and Seymour ( 2nd best pass rusher)
December 26th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
A few of you folks have yet to understand the BIG picture. Reggie needed to install the ZBS and WC offense. This is true for a number of reasons:
The players are a little more plug and play, see Denver Donkeys 2001- ; Houston Texans 2010-
The players are cheaper, remember that the Raiders are one of the lower revenue teams in the league. They aint the Cowboys, they ain’t the DC Redskins.
The money saved on high priced backs and OL can be used for playmakers on D and/or a QB assuming God allows one to develop in Oakland in this century.
This is the system that Reggie knows and trusts in from his experience in GB (also a small team mind you)
It worked for him there, he will go with proven results.
I am not endorsing this plan or making excuses. BUT THAT is why they got Knapp, DeFillipo and Mizelchek to run the O.
Personally I would have phased it over a little more time but they failed to consult me at ANY point in 2012….
December 26th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
small *market* team…
December 26th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
too bad its going to be outlawed…
December 26th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Adams and Ross looks like keepers , there was another guy (Underwood ) who was all over the field before getting hurt , Reggie knows what he’s doing when he brought in D minded coach , these are things he can make a difference at
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Making a difference indeed.
From the 27th ranked defense last year, to the 30th this year.
14 more points to go Dennis, and you will have topped last seasons embarrassment.
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Dude the guy took over garbage , we had to cut two guys who were earning over 10 M n one of Thw other top check cashew has not even suited up , one of them is top pick , who is going the route of J Russell , the point is he has the D playing better as the season is going along , I know the shutout came against KC but to shutout anyone is really impressive, and holding Carolina to jus 17 points is impressive when we kept going 3 n outs , he needed sum time to figure sh1t out , The D is balling lately if u consider we might have the worst talent on that side out of all the teams
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I dont consider that though. I dont think that the Raiders have the worst D talent in the league. Before the season started, everyone knew one of our strengths was our D-line. Granted, part of that was Seymour, but Kelly, Houston, Bryant, Shaugnessy. Please. Those men can play football. Kelly is doubled almost EVERY play. You think theyre doubling guys that cant play? And Bilukidi has been a handful also when hes been in there. Burris and Wheeler arent talented? McClain sucks, yes, but we arent the only team without an MLB. Both the Giants and Eagles need MLB help, but they werent getting blown out to the degree we were. Our secondary is where we could use some help, but even there, I find it curious that Branch was an up and comer, who made serious improvements the last 2 seasons, and this year, he looks like hes a rookie. Im just saying that while we dont have all-pros at all spots, we dont have complete scrubs that are incapable of fielding a defense better than 30th ranked.
We can go through rosters if you have time. I know some teams that would be thrilled to swap some players with us for what they have.
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I’m not here to argue about one point for the whole year like a few idiots in here ( not you ) but this staff took over a team that couldn’t force 1 punt in most important game of the year , the D has played awesome the last 3 weeks , yes I conclude that Den game too in which we gave up over 20 points but we harrassed p manning all game long , you can’t deny that their side of expertise is improving as the season goes along and they are getting more Experience , what more can you expect , we got a rookie D minded coach and rookie D.co , if your not happy to see how the D is giving their all on every play than I don’t know what will make you guys happy , yes the O has regressed but think about it , DA is d minded his list for oco wasn’t going to be impressive when you go far down , as compared to D coordinators , so I would be happy to see him get his first or 2nd choice this time around, and 2nd year in the D with improved pass rush
December 26th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
To bad they didn’t ask you JLofty…
might have slowed down their role to disrespectability.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
JLofty Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
[snip]
Personally I would have phased it over a little more time but they failed to consult me at ANY point in 2012….
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Crystalline clear that this is the greatest oversight this season!
December 26th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Mc20, there’s a whole bunch of room on Knapp’s jock now.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
I don’t know about you guys but I’m kinda excited for offseason, FA, Draft ,and obviously next year, the D is playing well for their coach lately , O should be cured once we bring in some one like Norv Turner , but we also need a #1 Receiver and couple of good pass rushers wouldn’t hurt either
December 26th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Mcfadden20. Says: q
December 26th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
I don’t know about you guys but I’m kinda excited for offseason, FA, Draft ,and obviously next year, the D is playing well for their coach lately , O should be cured once we bring in some one like Norv Turner , but we also need a #1 Receiver and couple of good pass rushers wouldn’t hurt either
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You bootlickers are always excited after a losing season. Never changes.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Mcfadden20. Says: q
December 26th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
I don’t know about you guys but I’m kinda excited for offseason, FA, Draft ,and obviously next year, the D is playing well for their coach lately , O should be cured once we bring in some one like Norv Turner , but we also need a #1 Receiver and couple of good pass rushers wouldn’t hurt either
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You bootlickers are always excited after a losing season. Never changes.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Holidays are almost over, only two more to go
Merry Cliffmas and a happy new year to one and all
December 26th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Knapp is gone as soon as the season is over, Da talks about getting better day by day , knapp has regreggresed it’s not something that will sit well with him? He will probably pushed out of The plane on way back hopefully somewhere near Fresno , where we never see his a$s again
December 26th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
119 JLofty
I agree that’s *why* Reggie did what he did. But he was dead wrong :
* Our 2010/2011 top ten offense is built around the power game, including our RB, line, drop back QB, and fast down the field WR’s. Nobody changes the entire scheme with a successful system in place.
* Houston Texans – only good since Foster got there. The ’scheme’ without him was average – they never made the playoffs. Knapp said it himself in his last presser. They had 5 years in the system and they stunk until Foster got there.
* Green Bay – only really good since Aaron Rodgers took over – without him, they are 3-4 games worse and average.
* Colts – another zone team but Peyton made them a winner, not the scheme.
* The league is considering outlawing all cut blocks – essentially making the ZBS impossible anyway.
* Power teams like the Patriots, Steelers, Giants have been dominating the Super Bowl and zone teams the past decade – and the Steelers are a ’small team’ too.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
You bootlickers are always excited after a losing season. Never changes.
And the gossipy bicch enjoys her misery. Never changes
December 26th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Mcfadden20. Says: q
December 26th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
I don’t know about you guys but I’m kinda excited for offseason, FA, Draft ,and obviously next year, the D is playing well for their coach lately , O should be cured once we bring in some one like Norv Turner , but we also need a #1 Receiver and couple of good pass rushers wouldn’t hurt either
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You bootlickers are always excited after a losing season. Never changes.
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I don’t compare anything that happens now to any other season before Jan. 5, 2012.
This is a new thing, trying to rid itself of old failure.
Who’s going? Who’s staying? Who can we bring in?
I’m fascinated. An entirely new system of evaluation. What changes will we see in this team in the next two years?
December 26th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
WTF is wrong with u idiots , if you aren’t excited about next year then what’s the point in rooting for this team , I gave valid reasons to be excited about next year , what are your guys reasons for not being excited and still stay fans ??
December 26th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
#131…
excellent post
December 26th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
You bootlickers are always excited after a losing season. Never changes.
And the gossipy bicch enjoys her misery. Never changes
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I wanted to say the same thing lol
December 26th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
WTF is wrong with u idiots , if you aren’t excited about next year then what’s the point in rooting for this team , I gave valid reasons to be excited about next year , what are your guys reasons for not being excited and still stay fans ??
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Yep, you losing bootlickers get excited every year after losing seasons. Then start making up fantasies about next year. Yep.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
lmao…
December 26th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
NEINNN!! Phil dawson is a piece of crap i hope he dies in a car accident and his family gets raped by black men. also I hope greg knapp gets raped by big gay mexicans
December 26th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
I personally am not excited about 2013 unless I hear Reggie announce:
‘I have notified Dennis Allen that his services are no longer required’
December 26th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Who wants to see win or wants to see a loss in the last week , I personally want to see a loss hard fought loss since it will gaurantee #3 pick and chance at a double digit Sack guy like Damontre Moore
December 26th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Btw, i forgot to mention what a few people were talking about a few articles ago.
You guys were discussing the lines and how the raiders have been negligent at drafting it, which i wholeheartedly agree with.
Anyway, just want to mention…those great raider OL’s, ron wolf was involved, since wolf left, al had invested far too much time/effort building outside-in, reggie mckenzie learned under ron wolf in green bay, reggie himself said at his last PC that he believes in building the lines.
That’s what i expect to see from our 2013 draft.
LT, RT, C, NT, ILB, OLB.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
ruh roh
December 26th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
I used to tell you guys before Al Davis died you would miss him before ever starting to win. It is very tough business and Mrk Davis will probably go thru a similar fate that the Niners ownership went thru.
he will be forced to make sure his GM and HC are doing the doing right thing. He cannot just hire some guy and expect that guy to treat his business as HE would. he has to make sure they do the right thing.period
To hell with what people think GM’s and coaches make some horrendous errors and an owner you better watch them.
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No one misses Al.
And you are a moron if you think Mark Davis, of all people, could give advice on being a GM, or give advice on being a HC, to anyone.
People accuse me of having my head up my rather bulbous, slightly distorted, cellulite laden ass, but after your comments, I suspect you never see the light of day.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
WTF is wrong with u idiots , if you aren’t excited about next year then what’s the point in rooting for this team , I gave valid reasons to be excited about next year , what are your guys reasons for not being excited and still stay fans ??
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Yep, you losing bootlickers get excited every year after losing seasons. Then start making up fantasies about next year. Yep.
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You never have anything good to say, so enjoy your misery
December 26th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
GG Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Btw, i forgot to mention what a few people were talking about a few articles ago.
You guys were discussing the lines and how the raiders have been negligent at drafting it, which i wholeheartedly agree with.
Anyway, just want to mention…those great raider OL’s, ron wolf was involved, since wolf left, al had invested far too much time/effort building outside-in, reggie mckenzie learned under ron wolf in green bay, reggie himself said at his last PC that he believes in building the lines.
That’s what i expect to see from our 2013 draft.
LT, RT, C, NT, ILB, OLB.
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I hope so.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Speaking of cellulite. Anyone know a good PS? Wife’s thighs are starting to look like a rolling pin disaster.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
What’s the odds of Sean Smith signing with us?
December 26th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
#146…
In light of this, would anyone object with any of the following hypothetical trades done by Reggie to garner more picks…
Denarius Moore, DHB, Marcel Reece, D.McFadden, C.Palmer, M.Shaughnessy, M.Huff, T.Branch, R.McClain, T.Kelly, R.Seymour.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
WTF is wrong with u idiots , if you aren’t excited about next year then what’s the point in rooting for this team , I gave valid reasons to be excited about next year , what are your guys reasons for not being excited and still stay fans ??
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Yep, you losing bootlickers get excited every year after losing seasons. Then start making up fantasies about next year. Yep.
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You never have anything good to say, so enjoy your misery
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I’m unemployed.
I live in a dump.
My wife looks like Doogie Hauser on a bad m$th day.
I have no hobbies.
I have no friends.
My wife’s family calls me Bloodsucker, although I’m not sure why.
so why should I have something nice to say?
December 26th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Not more…..Everyone else im fine with.
December 26th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
#149…
To add to that…
Object to any/all of those players traded in exchange for (hopefully/hypothetically) a top 3 OL and top 5 overall D.
Out of it, we’d have Pryor and someone like Bridgewater/etc as competing QBs (another year to rebuild around them starting w/rookie struggles), with Stewart/Goodson RBs, with Olawalu FB, a lot of Reggie WRs filling the depth chart like Streater, Criner, Calhoun, Carswell.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Methinks Beeech is about.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
freakin funny…”uh…wait till next year!”
December 26th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
· priesttj Says:
April 8th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Seymour Bush, Amen sir !! I get so tired of these knownothin’s who pretent to read minds know intimate details of someones life eventhough if they meyt that person they wouldn’t know them from Adam who’s been dead for 6K years.
MR and KK are two of a kind both clueless but have no clue that they are.
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Clueless?
Me?
Huh?
December 26th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
priesttj Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
While all you haters are namecalling Russell and professing him to be lazy and dumb. He is tearing it up in camp and he has the coaches attention. He loks good and is taking this team back on a day by day basis.
So say whatever you wish and hate all you want Russell is putting his stamp on that position as we speak……….period
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Boy, I sure miss those days.
“putting his stamp on the position”??
Wax poetic, boy, wax on, wax off.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Gun enthusiasts who fear of a potential gun ban have purchased 3 years of ammo as Brownells report that most of it was sold in less than 72 hours. It all comes as politicians ask for stricter laws on weapons since the massacre at Sandy Hook elementary school.
http://www.newsoxy.com/world/3-years-of-ammo-sold-in-72-hours-102912.html
December 26th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
· priesttj Says:
April 8th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Seymour Bush, Amen sir !! I get so tired of these knownothin’s who pretent to read minds know intimate details of someones life eventhough if they meyt that person they wouldn’t know them from Adam who’s been dead for 6K years.
MR and KK are two of a kind both clueless but have no clue that they are.
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Clueless?
Me?
Huh
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Hello, jealous little troll
December 26th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Raiders have 24 free agents – 17 unrestricted – the good ones that get other offers will leave. They know this team is now going nowhere.
The ‘Al’ players still here will be counting the days till they can move on.. DMAC, Pryor, Kelly, Moore, Ford, Veldheer, DHB, Reece, Ausberry, Jones, Seabass, etc.. Ask any one of those guys privately if they want to be traded or released, I bet 90% say yes.
This team will see 25 or more players turnover next season. We only have 5 picks in the draft. Considering Reggie missed so badly this year – it should be ‘interesting’ to see what this ‘team’ looks like next season..
December 26th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
priesttj Says:
April 13th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
KoolKell,
You are so freakin stupid when it comes o football is shocking. Just repost like you always do, that way no one knows it. Gawd!! you’re ignorant.
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Sometimes I get the impression preist thinks I’m an idiot.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
I still remember the Niners first SB. I actually started crying when they won. I always thought the Raiders pretty much owned the bay, but as it turned out, we just borrowed it for a bit.
My Mom kept slapping me upside my head, wondering why I was so upset.
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Isn’t there something wrong with the time frame here, KK being 60 and Niners 1st SB in ‘81?
December 26th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
priesttj Says:
April 13th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
KoolKell,
You are so freakin stupid when it comes o football is shocking. Just repost like you always do, that way no one knows it. Gawd!! you’re ignorant.
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Sometimes I get the impression preist thinks I’m an idiot.
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No, he thinks you’re the idiot. Lol.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
You know, when I need help, I don’t mind kissing priests ass.
But considering all these comments from him stating how stupid, pathetic and inept I am?
Makes me wonder how close we really are.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Whut! Whut!
Calling Beeech!
December 26th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
You know, when I need help, I don’t mind kissing priests ass.
But considering all these comments from him stating how stupid, pathetic and inept I am?
Makes me wonder how close we really are.
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So the only way people will talk to you is if you use my name?
December 26th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
I still remember the Niners first SB. I actually started crying when they won. I always thought the Raiders pretty much owned the bay, but as it turned out, we just borrowed it for a bit.
My Mom kept slapping me upside my head, wondering why I was so upset.
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Isn’t there something wrong with the time frame here, KK being 60 and Niners 1st SB in ‘81?
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My mom slapped me a lot.
Still does.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
My mom slapped me a lot.
Still does.
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No wonder……..
December 26th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
My mom slapped me a lot.
Still doe
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She probably didn’t want ya in the first place. Lol
December 26th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
priesttj Says:
April 13th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
KoolKell,
You are so freakin stupid when it comes o football is shocking. Just repost like you always do, that way no one knows it. Gawd!! you’re ignorant.
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Sometimes I get the impression preist thinks I’m an idiot.
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No, he thinks you’re the idiot. Lol.
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LOL. I’m talking to myself.
Oh wait. The date priest is calling me those names?
April 30, 2010?
2 1/2 years ago.
Oops. Yep, it’s me he’s talking about.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Alex7 et all. You are a nobody.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
Actually it’s not red and gold. It’s crimson and gold.
JLofty Says:
pink and yellow, those are your true colors…
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More of a buttercup. Pink and buttercup for KK.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Wow. Priest has been dissing me for years.
Nasty things.
Lowdown things.
He better stop if he knows what’s good for him.
You ever see two guys with wheelchairs and canes whoop it up? It ain’t pretty.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
A Second Amendment debate on a fooball blog with a bunch of guys that barely know football and know nothing about the Constitution, this should be good.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Lame, lol.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
Actually it’s not red and gold. It’s crimson and gold.
JLofty Says:
pink and yellow, those are your true colors…
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More of a buttercup. Pink and buttercup for KK.
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Buttercup?
More a chartreuse guy.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Oh man, can’t believe he said this about me.
Fuk him.
· priesttj Says:
April 15th, 2010 at 12:56 am
I get it KK, you’re just the average fan without a clue other than did we win or did we lose. Which is fine, nothing wrong with that but then you make a lot of statements as if you know more than that. You obviously DON’T………..period
No wonder everything boils down to Mr Davis in your narrow mind.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Oh man, can’t believe he said this about me.
Fuk him.
· priesttj Says:
April 15th, 2010 at 12:56 am
I get it KK, you’re just the average fan without a clue other than did we win or did we lose. Which is fine, nothing wrong with that but then you make a lot of statements as if you know more than that. You obviously DON’T………..period
No wonder everything boils down to Mr Davis in your narrow mind.
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Ooooooooooh, I’m sooooooooooooo hurt. Lo.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Two can play at this game, TJ.
Now, how stupid do you feel right now?
Priesttj Says:
April 15th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
Debo
I got a strong feeling as well that Russell is going to put on a show this offseason. He’s going take this job early and show why he was drafted #1 overall.
They think they saw something at his proday if he’s what I think he is we’ll see the reall Russell this season. Just saying…
December 26th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Anyone hear of a good thigh rub?
I notice when I walk, my thighs do a thwop thwop thing. It’s like too unruly loafs of bread trying to oneup the other when they pass.
When you hear of battle of the yeasts? No longer is it about my wife’s infections.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Lol.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
True, I started as a Los Angeles Raiders fan. Doesn’t bother me that they’re back in Oakland.
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Dan78 Says:
I grew up as an LA Raider fan and was crushed when they went back to Oakland. But I sucked it up and remembered I was a Raider fan. Who cares where they play even if they have played away games for 17 seasons, j/k…
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I was a Raider fan for a couple years before the move. I thought it was blasphemous, but living in Pasadena then, decided to be magnanimous.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Why does everyone call me a snitch?
Just because I contact the mods, pretty much every couple of days, to snitch on posters saying things about me, doesn’t make me a snitch, does it?
December 26th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Why does everyone call me a snitch?
Just because I contact the mods, pretty much every couple of days, to snitch on posters saying things about me, doesn’t make me a snitch, does it?
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Did I get you banned? Is that why you’re posting as me, or is it just flattery?
December 26th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
Buttercup?
More a chartreuse guy.
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Any bass fisherman knows chartreuse is bright yellow/green.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Ha. I remember this. Snitches might be biches, but they aren’t for free.
KoolKell Says:
December 19th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 19th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Sorry to disappoint you kell, but Iv never been banned from this blog or any other one.
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You’re a damned liar, I had you and Brien banned on more than one occasion, Amy.=
December 26th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
JUST ME AND MY FRIEND DAN WESSON..
December 26th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
oh. Just got some Gold Bond, extra strength “Thigh-Roid” strength.
Stuff better work.
You ever walk down the isle at church, and every head turns, when you thwap thwap on by?
December 26th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
16.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Why are same people crying 24/7 ? Don’t you guysa have nothing better to do ??
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I’m willing to bet my last dollar that it’s frustration. Not stemming from the Coaching staff or organization, but from a lack of consistent sex.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Boy, oh boy. I’m in a pickle, I am.
Let me peak around the corner, see if the Mrs. is still around.
AAAAUUUGH!! WHAT DID YOU DO TO YOUR FACE?
What do you mean nothing?
That’s..not normal.
Is it?
December 26th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
16.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Why are same people crying 24/7 ? Don’t you guysa have nothing better to do ??
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I’m willing to bet my last dollar that it’s frustration. Not stemming from the Coaching staff or organization, but from a lack of consistent sex.
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Do what I do.
As a surprise, I change hands.
Kind of a blind date thing.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
You guys ever hear Dionne Warwick’s hit song, “Just thwap on by”?
December 26th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Looking at the script, Beeech should appear shortly to put the coup de grace in another smackdown.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Hopefully the clown is tuckered out.
December 26th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
16.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Why are same people crying 24/7 ? Don’t you guysa have nothing better to do ??
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This is what passionate Raider fans do during losing seasons.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
16.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Why are same people crying 24/7 ? Don’t you guysa have nothing better to do ??
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This is what passionate Raider fans do during losing seasons.
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“Passionate” call it what you will. If football is your life, your reality is sad. Piss and moan… Piss and moan!
December 26th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
2013 would be exciting
December 26th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
You ever fart and have it stink so bad you cinch up your belt, hoping it doesn’t escape before you can outrun it?
I think I killed a cactus when I walked by it.
Didn’t think you could.
They’re pretty hardy.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
2013 would be exciting
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Watching the 49ers?
Yeah, I can see that.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
2013 would be exciting
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Watching the 49ers?
Yeah, I can see that.
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You still here clown?
December 26th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
1- DT Star Lotulelie
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- MLB Andrew Jackson
Sign a CB and OLB in FA
^^^^^^^^^
Not bad…Jenkins may be there in the 3rd for Raiders also. Ezekial Ansah, Cornellius Carradine and Devin Taylor might be there in Round 3 also. Both OLB/DE’s
December 26th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
I have to stop buying corndogs at Safeway. Spicey mustard gives me the vapors something fierce.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
I have to stop buying corndogs at Safeway. Spicey mustard gives me the vapors something fierce
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Jeez, Kell, the better half should invest in an anal plug. A cork least!
December 26th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Uh, oh, now someone’s posting as me!
December 26th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Evidence Knapp is not qualified to be the Raiders’ OC; Reece as underutilized as he was this season, as poor as his stats are; other coaches and players recognized his value and voted him as an alternate.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
KK, that wasn’t me.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Pryor is our best quarterback.
Reece is our best running back.
Allen and Knapp are idiots.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Super stupid shyyt man.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
I still think they should let Pryor play a quarter, just to see how things go. If he’s not doing to well, Jano can come out and lead the team to field goals.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
1- DT Star Lotulelie
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- MLB Andrew Jackson
Sign a CB and OLB in FA
^^^^^^^^^
Not bad…Jenkins may be there in the 3rd for Raiders also. Ezekial Ansah, Cornellius Carradine and Devin Taylor might be there in Round 3 also. Both OLB/DE’s
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Jenkins?!?! The NT?
December 26th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
I personally am not excited about 2013 unless I hear Reggie announce:
‘I have notified Dennis Allen that his services are no longer required’
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Holla!
December 26th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Unless they’re afraid he’ll get hurt.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Like I said earlier today, we can’t fix all our needs in one off season. Lets focus on Defense especially the front 7, and next year we can invest in our offense and secondary.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
I still believe that AD made a promise to TP, the details of which we don’t know. And, knowing he was not long in this life, made sure his son fulfilled the promise. That’s why he’s still around.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
imagine how excited the chargers are donkrys will be to play danus allens team next year!
December 26th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
I have to stop buying corndogs at Safeway. Spicey mustard gives me the vapors something fierce.
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Clown you still here trying to be me? Doesn’t take make you feel impotent deep down inside?
December 26th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
I went to the 49ers Super Bowl parade, back in ‘82.
Front row on Market st.
Went to the Raiders parade after Super Bowl ‘02.
Except Al refused to let the players attend.
That was a dark day.
Dan78 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Why is it the 49ers seem to do everything right, even when they are losing, and we can’t do anything right, even during winning years?
Are we just doomed to lose?
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Seems like that dark cloud looms above Alameda and refuses to dispurse…
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the dark cloud definitely looms over this blog.
If there is a God, let our reign begin so these idiots cross posting will get tired and go away FOREVER..
BACK TO FOOTBALL
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
1- DT Star Lotulelie
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- MLB Andrew Jackson
Sign a CB and OLB in FA
^^^^^^^^^
Not bad…Jenkins may be there in the 3rd for Raiders also. Ezekial Ansah, Cornellius Carradine and Devin Taylor might be there in Round 3 also. Both OLB/DE’s
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Jenkins?!?! The NT?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dont forget Auburn’ Corey Lemonier. Should also be in round 3 – how about Sean Smith of Miami as a possible FA at corner?
December 26th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
1- DT Star Lotulelie
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- MLB Andrew Jackson
Sign a CB and OLB in FA
^^^^^^^^^
Not bad…Jenkins may be there in the 3rd for Raiders also. Ezekial Ansah, Cornellius Carradine and Devin Taylor might be there in Round 3 also. Both OLB/DE’s
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Jenkins?!?! The NT?
^^^^^^^^
Brandon Jenkins from Flor St. The other DE/OLB who has been upstaged by Werner this year. Jenkins would be a good value pick in Round 3, IF he slips that far.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
It doesn’t matter who’s drafted or signed, if you have schitty coaches.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
I have to stop buying corndogs at Safeway. Spicey mustard gives me the vapors something fierce.
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Clown you still here trying to be me? Doesn’t take make you feel impotent deep down inside?
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LMAO
this split personality ish has to go. Please Raiders start winning you have the fan base dividing into ALTER EGO’s!
unbelievable…is this what we’ve become.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
I bet Al left Mark some kind of guide or list of wishes and warnings/advice about running the Raiders after he passed on.
That would be very interesting reading if it ever got out, or Mark spoke about it.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
imagine how excited the chargers are donkrys will be to play danus allens team next year!
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Especially when SD signs a real coach.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
2013 division champs your own Raiders
December 26th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
1- DT Star Lotulelie
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- MLB Andrew Jackson
Sign a CB and OLB in FA
^^^^^^^^^
Not bad…Jenkins may be there in the 3rd for Raiders also. Ezekial Ansah, Cornellius Carradine and Devin Taylor might be there in Round 3 also. Both OLB/DE’s
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Jenkins?!?! The NT?
^^^^^^^^
Brandon Jenkins from Flor St. The other DE/OLB who has been upstaged by Werner this year. Jenkins would be a good value pick in Round 3, IF he slips that far.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
The guy on my list? lol
Btw, he wasn’t “upstaged” by Werner. He was injured in the 1st game of the season. Season ending injury. He was a 1st round prospect before the injury, which helped improve Werner’s stock.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Yeahhhh baby
December 26th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
imagine how excited the chargers are donkrys will be to play danus allens team next year!
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Especially when SD signs a real coach.
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Not with A.J. Smith running things. All Norv did was get them to an AFC Championship, see L.T. punk out while Rivers played on one leg, then have A.J. Smith let all the talent get away.
A.J. was the problem, not Norv Turner.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
DA and bottom lip made us the most irrelevant team in the nfl. Congrats to all the idiots who argued with me and supported this rediculous staff.You all should be feeling quite ignorant about right now,but Reggie lovers are to fkn stupid to understand.I could name some off but everybody already knows who they are.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Scourge Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
I still believe that AD made a promise to TP, the details of which we don’t know. And, knowing he was not long in this life, made sure his son fulfilled the promise. That’s why he’s still around.
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Think thats what he meant by the “(regarding the QB decision) I have my own opinions.” statement? Yeah, that made sense. It would be cool if TP could fulfill the promise in the last game.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
What about Mckelvin(Buf) and Jenkins(Dal) as our starting corners???
December 26th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
GG Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
I bet Al left Mark some kind of guide or list of wishes and warnings/advice about running the Raiders after he passed on.
That would be very interesting reading if it ever got out, or Mark spoke about it.
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That’s what I’m saying, GG. I think at a certain point, Al knew he was terminally ill and had only a short time. So he spent a lot of money trying to get one last championship (although he failed in the endeavor). And TP was his last “project.”
December 26th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
DA and bottom lip made us the most irrelevant team in the nfl. Congrats to all the idiots who argued with me and supported this rediculous staff.You all should be feeling quite ignorant about right now,but Reggie lovers are to fkn stupid to understand.I could name some off but everybody already knows who they are.
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Cool. Find your way out of the Nation anytime.
Understand your anger, but this is the team, it is what it is. No use crying over spilt milk. They did the best they good with the hand they were dealt.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
222.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
2013 division champs your own Raiders
============================================ Heres one guy who will never learn to tie his own shoelaces.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Guesses…
1. Do not change the uniforms and traditions and brand. (us vs them).
2. Always keep it a family.
3. Consult John Madden after my passing on how to proceed.
4. Get a bad-azz hair-do / style befitting a Raider owner
5. Persevere with Terrelle Pryor
6. Listen to Amy!
7. Be nice to your mom.
8. Watch out for those punks in the media and the NFLN.
9. Try and get Ron’s kid to come work here.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Sam…yeah.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Cool. Find your way out of the Nation anytime.
Understand your anger, but this is the team, it is what it is. No use crying over spilt milk. They did the best they good with the hand they were dealt.
Another one. DRRRRRRRRRR. Shut up moron!
December 26th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
OklahomaRaider18 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
What about Mckelvin(Buf) and Jenkins(Dal) as our starting corners???
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McKelvin is a hell of a return man. I never liked that matador/turnstile tackle attempt that Jenkins pulled up at Green Bay when the Cowboys were blown out.
pass on Jenkins.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
GG Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Guesses…
1. Do not change the uniforms and traditions and brand. (us vs them).
2. Always keep it a family.
3. Consult John Madden after my passing on how to proceed.
4. Get a bad-azz hair-do / style befitting a Raider owner
5. Persevere with Terrelle Pryor
6. Listen to Amy!
7. Be nice to your mom.
8. Watch out for those punks in the media and the NFLN.
9. Try and get Ron’s kid to come work here.
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4 – LMAO!!!!
8 – definitely
December 26th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Scourge and others…
What else do think Al would have left for Mark in writing?
December 26th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
GG, at least, 1-3, 5-7, not necessarily in that sequence.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Cool. Find your way out of the Nation anytime.
Understand your anger, but this is the team, it is what it is. No use crying over spilt milk. They did the best they good with the hand they were dealt.
Another one. DRRRRRRRRRR. Shut up moron!
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WTF is that doing, nutbar?
You either cheer for the team and diss it AND FIND YOUR WAY OUT, homes.
I t is what it is, I dont agree with the decisions, but WTF is INSULTING PEOPLE GOING TO DO?
Why fight amongst ourselves , if we cheer for the same team?.
JESUS, GET A GRIP!!!!!!!!!
December 26th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Kell is really sad
December 26th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Also, mebbe sue the league at least once.
And, never ever develop any predictability over the longer term.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
10. Warm up the projector once a month
December 26th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Sam,
I like S Smith. He has great size, but I don’t think Miami will let him go since they traded V Davis.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
GG Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Scourge and others…
What else do think Al would have left for Mark in writing?
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Maybe break up payments from my annuities to pay off the estate tax? Liquidate these assets and the league will cover the other half for a new stadium deal.
Beware Anschultz and AEG.
December 26th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
RAIDERNATION died with AL. All thats left is a bunch of punks who been watching football for about 5 years and think they know sht,and dont!
December 26th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Never get to work before tea time.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
240.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Kell is really sad
Hey,the playoff predictor.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Since the ILB/MIKE LB draft class is not deep this year here it is with Te’o being the Raiders pick:
1st- Te’o ILB/MIKE
3rd- B Jenkins DE/OLB or Ansah or Taylor
4th- B Williams NT/DT or Semisi Tokolali NT
December 26th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Sam,
I like S Smith. He has great size, but I don’t think Miami will let him go since they traded V Davis.
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Good point. Seattle did well with big corners, R.Sherman and B.Browner.
Colts also dealt for Pats’ Darius Butler – that really worked out well for them. Raiders need an upgrade – Dee Milliner and Sean Smith, Johnathan Banks and Dominique Rodgers Cromartie … some combination. Maybe Brandion Ross may get a chance as well…
December 26th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
RAIDERNATION died with AL. All thats left is a bunch of punks who been watching football for about 5 years and think they know sht,and dont!
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Present company included.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Btw, another reminder…
PS3 USERS
I’ve created a madden 13 community.
Name: ibabuzz
Abbreviation: IBA
Password: fireknapp
Last count there are only 3 people joined. I played a fun game against someone the other day. They were Panthers I was Raiders. They shot out to a big lead early, something like 27-10. It ended up something like 45-38 to them, last ditch onside kick failed.
I remember some stats. His Newton threw for 370 yards 3 TDs and 5 INTs. My Pryor threw for 450 yards 4 TDs and 4 INTs. My Jacoby Ford got 6 rec for 236 yards and 3 TDs. Branch got 3 INTs. His Deangelo Williams rushed for something like 150 yards and 2 TDs.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Reggie get out!
December 26th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
I’m sure there was guidance concerning how to take care of certain/most former Raider players. Keep the ties so they’re always around to remind the new regime of the old days (the winning years).
December 26th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
#244…sounds very plausible.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Raiders should sign Rodgers Cromartie if they can to a bargain deal…..hopefully.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Oakshogaay is still here babbling about the same sh1t, pathetic existence
December 26th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
256.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Oakshogaay is still here babbling about the same sh1t, pathetic existence
Playoffs? idiot.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
2013 division champs your own Raiders
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Thanks, I guess Tits will be gone.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
258.The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
2013 division champs your own Raiders
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Thanks, I guess Tits will be gone.
================================================ HE WILL,and I hope he takes half these jerkies with him.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Doesn’t matter anyway who we sign and draft and how talented the players they bring in are.
It won’t matter with crappy coaching.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Anyways enjoy ur sad little state oakshogaay
December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
260.DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Doesn’t matter anyway who we sign and draft and how talented the players they bring in are.
It won’t matter with crappy coaching.
yes sir. 2014 top 5 pick if this staff remains.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
260.DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Doesn’t matter anyway who we sign and draft and how talented the players they bring in are.
It won’t matter with crappy coaching.
yes sir. 2014 top 5 pick if this staff remains.
^^^^^^^^^^
Oh yeah, without a doubt.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
261.mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Anyways enjoy ur sad little state oakshogaay
Sad is knowing their are fellow Raider fans as dumb as you son.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
GG Says:
I bet Al left Mark some kind of guide or list of wishes and warnings/advice about running the Raiders after he passed on.
That would be very interesting reading if it ever got out, or Mark spoke about
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Would have to have left it with Carol (Owner) and she’d make sure Mark did as Al wished or she’d take his “Managing General Partner” title away. Had he left it with Mark, he would have made it legally binding for 5 years or something.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
In which round is our first pick? Hopefully it’ll be far enough into the draft that we won’t have to see the poor guy wince as he holds up the Raider jersey!
December 26th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
GG Says:
I bet Al left Mark some kind of guide or list of wishes and warnings/advice about running the Raiders after he passed on.
That would be very interesting reading if it ever got out, or Mark spoke about
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Would have to have left it with Carol (Owner) and she’d make sure Mark did as Al wished or she’d take his “Managing General Partner” title away. Had he left it with Mark, he would have made it legally binding for 5 years or something.
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Nah, if he left it with Mark he’d have eaten the piece of paper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRtVMLwh6mY
December 26th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Mark can redeem himself.Fire bottom lip now.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Or maybe this is more applicable…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhk-J9YwLR8
December 26th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Hue Jackson laughing all the way to the playoffs.Will be an oc or Hc next year.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Oakshogay have you been not gay? You sukk everyone’s you know what in here 24/7
December 26th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
lol…cam newton knew that the raiders defense was ready to tap out…on inside the nfl..,
December 26th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Hue Jackson laughing all the way to the playoffs.Will be an oc or Hc next year.
^^^^^^^^^
Yep. I can see Hue being hired as an OC in Philly or he may even wind up back with Ravens as OC.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
I’m not sold on Te’o. Good kid but reminds me too much of McClain. Same size and lack of speed, and he played behind a good DL.
I rather draft Star, JJ, D Moore, or Milliner. I don’t think Te’o is a top 5-10 pick.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Why hate the coaching staff , the team wasn’t going to go anywhere , Den locked the division up since midseason , we weren’t going to compete with them , we weren’t going to win wildcard either lol, quit kidding yourself , lets lose a close one tomorrow , secure #3 pick , used on Damontre Moore to Complement FA pass rusher and sign a #1 Receiver
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Still need two LB’s a NT a RT, a LG, and more importantly…a better coaching staff!
December 26th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Janikowski is the league’s best kicker though Dawson is having a great season at 28/29 including 6 for 6 from 50+. Seabass is perfect inside of 50 and 29/30 from inside of 60. Seabass’ long of 57 yards bests Dawson at 53.
Ultimately the two misses from 60+ probably cost Seabass because a lot of players and coaches probably didn’t bother to look at the details and just saw that Seabass had three misses to Dawson’s one.
You’d be surprised at how often fans have a better grip on things than the players and coaches. Not always, especially at certain positions, but this is one of those times.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
I’m not sold on Te’o. Good kid but reminds me too much of McClain. Same size and lack of speed, and he played behind a good DL.
I rather draft Star, JJ, D Moore, or Milliner. I don’t think Te’o is a top 5-10 pick.
^^^^^^^^
I’m not sold on Moore yet. I need to see if he can stand up and play as a OLB in the 3-4. I don’t think he can be an everydown 4-3 RDE….might not be big enough.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
I’m not sold on Te’o. Good kid but reminds me too much of McClain. Same size and lack of speed, and he played behind a good DL.
I rather draft Star, JJ, D Moore, or Milliner. I don’t think Te’o is a top 5-10 pick.
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Agreed…I’m not sure about DMoore either.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
4 more days
December 26th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Anyway, this is one more hollow moment in the steaming pile that is this season.
Basically, here are your 2012 Raiders highlights:
- Rallying to beat the Steelers at home when you assumed the Steelers were still pretty good.
- Playing Atlanta tough on the road, albeit in a losing effort.
- D-line showing some pride and fight in the Cincy melee.
I can’t think of any others. Can’t list wins over the 2-13 Chiefs and Jaguars as real highlights. We were dam lucky to beat the Jags too.
That’s a really terrible, terrible season. Thanks, for nothing, Mark, Reggie, DA and co.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Te’o is the real deal. Has it all. The way he speaks, just shows how mature he is.
Comparing him to McClain is silly. I think McClain did two interviews the whole time he was a Raider and those interviews lasted maybe 3 minutes.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89462&draftyear=2013&genpos=ILB
December 26th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
The Chargers will probably take Te’o to be their new Seau. Ugh…
December 26th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
someone talking about Inside the NFL… I stopped watching that show after 2002.
Thanks Raiders for ruining one of my favorite shows.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
To me, right now it’s Luke Joeckel and Star above all others. Can’t say for sure about the QBs. Geno Smith and Aaron Murray would be the only two worth considering there. I’d have some interest in Landry Jones later on.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
I have referred to the St. Louis Rams and how their situation is similar to ours.
Rams
2010:7-9
2011: 2-14
2012:-7-7-1
Raiders
2010:8-8
2011:8-8
2012:4-11
In 2010 Rams at 7-9 are similar to 2011 Raiders 8-8
2011 2-14 Rams similar to our 4-11.
Rams traded down with Washington and drafted two starting DB’s along with two other impact starters on the d-line.
The key free agent pickups were TE- Lance Kendrick from Miami, C-Scott Wells from GB and DB Cortland Finnegan from Tenn.
They dumped 24 players from their roster who are all not even in the league anymore.
We will most likely have the # 3 pick in the draft. Rams had # 2.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
I’m OK with Te’o if we drop down to mid 1st and get him there.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
The Rams ALSO have a first yr. GM named Les Snead.
Does this writeup on Snead sound familiar?
“Les Snead is a rising personnel star whose passion for scouting and innovation differentiated him throughout the search process,” Rams Executive Vice President of Football Operations/C.O.O. Kevin Demoff said. “His vision for making the Rams a sustained winner resonated with our entire organization and the energy and leadership he brings to our building is infectious. He has spent 15 years preparing for this opportunity and we are confident he will deliver the results our organization and fans deserve.”
December 26th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I know Reggie is not going to draft a flake, but I don’t know who will be coaching him.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
To me, right now it’s Luke Joeckel and Star above all others. Can’t say for sure about the QBs. Geno Smith and Aaron Murray would be the only two worth considering there. I’d have some interest in Landry Jones later on.
^^^^^^^^
I think that Joeckel kid is overrated. I would pass on taking LT if I were Raiders.
They need to start rebuilding that defense badly.
Start the rebuild by taking a stud QB and new leader of the defense in Te’o.
I would have no problem with that. You know what your getting with Te’o
Probably the safest pick within the top 10 and even top 5.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Transcript of interview after Reggie hired DA:
-McKENZIE: It was easy after the interview with coach Allen. It really was. I mean, we spent like five hours… ‘OK, I’ve got a good feel for this guy.’
So I knew immediately I wanted to see him again. And I knew I would have a chance to see him at the Senior Bowl. So I kind of made sure I continued to talk to other coaches, because I didn’t want to leave any stone unturned, if I got excited about somebody else.
But the bottom line, he was what the doctor ordered.
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Who was this doctor ?
Jack Kevorkian ?
Sue the fcker for malpractice.
December 26th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
untold history of the us on showtime is a pretty interesting show…
December 26th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Well there it is!
December 26th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Te’o is the real deal. Has it all. The way he speaks, just shows how mature he is.
Comparing him to McClain is silly. I think McClain did two interviews the whole time he was a Raider and those interviews lasted maybe 3 minutes.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89462&draftyear=2013&genpos=ILB
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$8
Comparing 2 LBs who have the same size and speed is silly?
LOL @ you people
I think judging players based on interviews is silly. They get paid to play not give interviews.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
DIVISION FINISH: 4 The Rams are rebuilding under new coach Jeff Fisher. It will take time. Ashley Fox (ESPN)
DIVISION FINISH: 4 Thanks to Sam Bradford, the Rams may be better than people think. General manager Les Snead had a great draft and Jeff Fisher assembled a great coaching staff to develop young players.- John Clayton.
DIVISION FINISH: 4 They have a promising future with coach Jeff Fisher and GM Les Snead running the franchise. They’ll need to remember that in what should be a painful 2012 season. -Jeff Chidhia (ESPN)
DIVISION FINISH: 4 The Rams were NFC West favorites just one year ago, and now they’re probably a better team. Sam Bradford gives the Rams upward mobility. And with a veteran staff led by Jeff Fisher, we should expect the Rams to become more competitive. -Mike Sando(ESPN)
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ALL of the above, despite saying nice things about the Rams, predicted they would finish LAST.
Similar things will be said about the Raiders…except that we don’t have a veteran coach like Fisher.
1st yr. GM (in his 1st GM gig) Les Snead took a 2-14 Rams team and brought them to 7-7-1 IN ONE OFFSEASON.
After a 1st yr. miserable showing in 2012, MUCH HERALDED 2nd yr. GM Reggie McKenzie; who acquired an 8-8 team, will be asked to improve his 4-11 squad as well.
The fact he does not have a 2nd round draft pick seems to be plenty of excuse for him to take 5 yr’s to do what Les Snead did in ONE (1).
December 26th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhLBHGmVtjs
Playmaking LB. Always around the football!
December 26th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Repost of a moderated post:
I expressed my opinion on the current state of affairs with the Raiders. Rather than just post complaints on this blog, I sent my Raiders Account Manager written notification of my intent to NOT renew my Club level season tickets. Granted, in the scheme of things, my annual $3500 contribution to the Raiders is unlikely to bankrupt them. I feel much better now knowing that I did my part in sending a “fans” message. I can now say that I’ve committed to more than just lip service.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Reggie and DA will have a lot to sort out so by Monday, they can figure out who announces the firings to the media. Wonder who they’ll pick to face the media.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
I don’t think we should draft another ILB with our 1st pick. When was the last time we drafted a DE or DT in the 1st round? Tyler Brayton.
We need to fix our DL. Seymour, Bryant, and Shaughnessy are FAs. TK needs to go, and that leaves us with Houston and Bilukidi.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
With Te’o and Burris at LB, the Raiders should be set for quite sometime. Hope they can resign Wheeler also.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Here’s how the “other” 1st time GM’s did in their respective jobs in their FIRST SEASON this yr.
-Ryan Grigson Indy: 10-5
-Phil Emery Chi. : 9-6
-Rick Spielman Minn.: 9-6
-Brandon Beane Carolina: 5-4 (took over for fired gm marty hurney)
-Les Snead St. Louis 7-7-1 (taking over 2-14 team)
-Reggie McKenzie Oak. 4-11 (taking over 8-8 team)
December 26th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Lol, if there are no firings whatsoever, Reggie saying he’s happy with everything, everything is going to plan, it’s a slow process, takes time, and all those lip-service catch-phrases like “staying the course”, “im committed to getting this right”, “we’re focused on bringing a championship to Oakland and the fans” etc.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Take the stud new leader and QB if the Raiders rebuilt D in Te’o with the 1st pick, then go with a RDE in Round 3 like Brandon Jenkins and then go with the best two gap NT/DT in Round 4.
Then grab a CB and a Center or RT from after Round 4.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Btw, I think it’s fantastic and positive news that Mark Davis is looking to hire Ray Anderson as Pres of Football Operations.
It shows he knows he needs someone above Reggie who can keep him in check, who can truly assess his performance, will know if he needs replacing, bringing accountability TO Reggie thus forcing Reggie to show more accountability towards Dennis. Getting rid of all the nepotism that Reggie brought in as his first point of business, etc.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Doesn’t matter who we draft if we don’t have coaching or coordinators who are smart. Won’t matter at all. Reggie needs to focus on the coaching as much as he needs to focus on the draft. He needs good people who have a good feel for the college game. Like Pete Carroll and what’s his nuts across the bay.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Ray Anderson is the senior vice president of football operations for the National Football League (NFL).
A Los Angeles, California native, Anderson was an All-League high school quarterback and shortstop. As a scholarship athlete, he was a three-year football letterman and two-year baseball letterman at Stanford University. Anderson earned a BA in political science from Stanford in 1976 and a jurist doctorate degree from Harvard Law School in 1979.
Anderson joined the NFL after a four-year stint as the vice president of the Atlanta Falcons. Before taking the job with the Falcons, he represented a number of players and coaches, including current coaches Tony Dungy of the Colts and Dennis Green of the Cardinals. He began his professional career as an attorney at Kilpatrick & Cody in Atlanta, Georgia and worked primarily in labor law litigation.
Anderson’s entrance into sports occurred when he co-founded the sports law practice at Heller, Ehrman, a prominent San Francisco firm, in 1980. He entered the sports agency business in 1984 when he opened the West Coast office for Sports Advisors Group. In 1987, he launched his own agency, AR Sports, specializing in the representation of NFL coaches and players and later adding Major League Baseball players. Anderson merged his agency with Octagon in 2001.
In November of 2002, Anderson’s highly respected reputation was recognized when he was named to the NFL Committee on Workplace Diversity, which is a comprehensive program to promote diversity in coaching and front office ranks. His influence was further solidified when he was named to Sports Illustrated’s list of the “101 Most Influential Minorities in Sports” in May of 2003. Anderson was also distinguished locally by being named to the prestigious “100 Black Men of Atlanta, Inc.”, a group dedicated to providing support and improving the quality of life for African-Americans, in particular, in the Atlanta community. In February of 2004, he was appointed by Governor Sonny Perdue to the Board of Governors of the Georgia World Congress Center Authority. His past accolades include garnering agent of the year honors by the Black Sports Agents Association in 2000.
He and his wife, Buffie, have one son, Bryant, and one daughter, Kimberly. The Andersons reside in Roswell, Georgia.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Old time raider fan posting for the first time.
Back in the early 1960s(AFL days) there was a joke/riddle that went something like this.
What has 22 legs and dwell in the cellar?
The Oakland Raiders.
We’re close to it now. Look on the brighter side. We can only go up. Happy Holidays…
December 26th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Jano not making the pobo is a travesty. A real shamockery…
December 26th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Hate to burst you guys bubble but Manti Teo is only 5′11”, 6′ w/cleats. And if he became a Raider he will probably wear #55.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
We’re not drafting Manti Teo you can bookmark it. Stop wanting it, it ain’t happening.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
I don’t care who we draft as long as two of the draft picks are Quarterbacks. That’s right 2 QBs drafted will make our draft complete.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
First time poster. Just dropping in here to say I hope we get some new coaches. Reggie needs to show his balls and gitt’er done.
December 26th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
I don’t care who we draft as long as two of the draft picks are Quarterbacks. That’s right 2 QBs drafted will make our draft complete.
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We need coaches more than draft picks.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
If u wanna give Reggie slack for inheriting the 8-8 team which was “the worst situation in the history of sports” then fine, but saying “this is his first GM gig…give him some time to get acclimated to his job”, than THAT part is total b.s and a lame azz excuse.
Post # 300 outlines what the other “first time” GM’s did in their FIRST YR. on the job…and none of them inherited anything close to a .500 ball club, and Reggie is the ONLY ONE who’s team had a worse record than what he inherited….much worse.
Secondly, Reggie mentions how other GM’s around the league called him up in wonderment, peppering him with questions as to how he was gonna handle such a horrific, never before seen in the annals of sports history situation.
I don’t know if I buy that. I can imagine him maybe getting a call where it was mentioned but i’m guessing that’s an exaggeration…it comes off as more of an excuse imo.
Yes, it was a tough cap situation, but isn’t anyone else tired of hearing excuses for not succeeding…however valid they might be?
December 26th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Hey guys. Never posted before. Been lurking for years.
FIRE REGGIE NOW!!!
December 26th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Long time reader, first time poster.
FIRE REGGIE
FIRE DA
Bring back Joe Bugel.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Te’o is the real deal. Has it all. The way he speaks, just shows how mature he is.
Comparing him to McClain is silly. I think McClain did two interviews the whole time he was a Raider and those interviews lasted maybe 3 minutes.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89462&draftyear=2013&genpos=ILB
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Comparing 2 LBs who have the same size and speed is silly?
LOL @ you people
I think judging players based on interviews is silly. They get paid to play not give interviews.
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Yep. They get played to play….you said it…Te’o plays football and is not a quitter or bum like McClain.
Judging Te’o on straight line 40 speed??
Come on now…at least we know McK won’t be focusing on HWS measurables and straight line 40m speed when it comes to drafting football players.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
RaiderCrunch Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Doesn’t matter who we draft if we don’t have coaching or coordinators who are smart. Won’t matter at all. Reggie needs to focus on the coaching as much as he needs to focus on the draft. He needs good people who have a good feel for the college game. Like Pete Carroll and what’s his nuts across the bay.
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Exactly!
December 26th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Reggie McKenzies Oakland Raiders:
“Committment to Excuses”.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
With news that the Dolphins are changing their logo.
What you say about the Raiders updating ours with one of the following two options ONLY…
1. http://raiders4life.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/RAIDERS-SKULL-2-1024-X-768.jpg
December 26th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Or
2. http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z108/liciousghetto00/RaiderSkullcopy.jpg
December 26th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
312.JuneBug Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
I don’t care who we draft as long as two of the draft picks are Quarterbacks. That’s right 2 QBs drafted will make our draft complete.
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We need coaches more than draft picks.
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You can take this to the Bank. Knapp has 4 days remaining as a Raider. New OC & QB Coach With 5 QBs in OTAs and Camp next year. This thing is turning around next year. New Scheme and you will hear DMAC spill all the offensive dirt he kept his mouth shut about this year. Palmer too.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Long time poster, first time reader here.
Just wanted to say, hi, and that I promise I will finally actually read people’s posts from now on
December 26th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Janikowski was robbed.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Like Damon Wayans said in that movie Don’t be a menace while dranking your juice in the hood.
M-E-S-S-A-G-E !!!!! LMAO
FIRE KNAPP !!!!!!! FIRE KNAPP!!! FIRE KNAP >>” “
December 26th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DciH6GgnDCc
Some video of Moore standing up in 3-4 alignments in 2011. I would like to see more burst and power from him though.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DciH6GgnDCc
Some video of Moore standing up in 3-4 alignments in 2011. I would like to see more burst and power from him though.
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In the video…Moore misses a few tackles that Te’o would have made for sure.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Cornfucious say if coach cannot win football games or score touchdowns, coach has no acorns in nutt sack.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
GG Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Or
2. http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z108/liciousghetto00/RaiderSkullcopy.jpg
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I like the skull, but u know what the media would say:
“The Raiders changed their logo, replacing the pirate with an eye patch to a skelatal skull, whic is appropriate since the organization has been dead since 2002 anyway.”
December 26th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Let them say that. Us vs Them.
Get the identity back.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
First time poster here. Been reading this blog since early nineties. Just can’t keep quiet anymore. Reggie needs to grow some hair on the scrotum and can some coaches. This is ridiculous. Regression is ugly. No excuses. Just do it.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Reggie McKenzies Oakland Raiders:
“Committment to Excuses”.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Long time heterosexual, first time lesbian here.
Just wanted to say, hi girls!
December 26th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Long time listener, first time caller. Just want to say howdy and it’s a damn shame no Raiders will be in the pro bowl. WTF. I put that squarely on the coaching staff. What have these guys been doin to our players anyway? We were on the doorstep last year people. Bring back Gruden. We should have had at least 5 players make the pro bowl. But when the play book has no design for TDs, you get no pro bowlers.
December 26th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Long time observer.
Steve: I must commend you for this blog. It keeps all these hostile nuts busy on the keyboard and off the streets making the neighborhood safer. It serves as a place of venting, somewhat like group therapy. Keep it up. lol
December 26th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Aphid Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Long time observer.
Steve: I must commend you for this blog. It keeps all these hostile nuts busy on the keyboard and off the streets making the neighborhood safer. It serves as a place of venting, somewhat like group therapy. Keep it up. lol
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Hope you stay out of trouble. Good luck
December 26th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
First time poster. Is it really true that Gruden is returning? That would save the day. We aren’t very good right now. We need a professional HC. And a real OC.
December 26th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
258.The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
2013 division champs your own Raiders
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Thanks, I guess Tits will be gone.
================================================ HE WILL,and I hope he takes half these jerkies with him.
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What if his replacement has exactly the same results?
December 26th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Aphid Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Long time observer.
Steve: I must commend you for this blog. It keeps all these hostile nuts busy on the keyboard and off the streets making the neighborhood safer. It serves as a place of venting, somewhat like group therapy. Keep it up. lol
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Indeed. Who knows how many hostile crazies would be out on the streets if not for this outlet for their childish a$& aggression..
December 26th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Thanks KoolKell.
What kind of gets me is all this Fire DA, keep DA, Fire whom so ever stuff.
Ask yourselves these questions and think it through.
1. Does our coaches teach our players or just get in their face like a drill instructor in the military?
2. Do they inspire the players to do better or just run them down. You know learned helplessness (Psy. 101)?
3. Are they willing to admit to their errors and correct it or is it my way or the highway?
4. Last but most important. Are you willing to follow a leader such as you have determined into combat?
After answering these questions to yourself, maybe alter your beliefs. Also might give you some insight of how the player may feel about the coaches. Not saying that our player are great or even good.
December 26th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
GG Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Let them say that. Us vs Them.
Get the identity back.
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I think you saw glimpses of it in the Carolina and Cincinnati games. Solidarity, us against them…something when a team retaliates indicates passion.
December 26th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
First time poster. These are not your fathers Raiders.
Darth Vader for head coach.
December 26th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Aphid Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Thanks KoolKell.
What kind of gets me is all this Fire DA, keep DA, Fire whom so ever stuff.
Ask yourselves these questions and think it through.
1. Does our coaches teach our players or just get in their face like a drill instructor in the military?
2. Do they inspire the players to do better or just run them down. You know learned helplessness (Psy. 101)?
3. Are they willing to admit to their errors and correct it or is it my way or the highway?
4. Last but most important. Are you willing to follow a leader such as you have determined into combat?
After answering these questions to yourself, maybe alter your beliefs. Also might give you some insight of how the player may feel about the coaches. Not saying that our player are great or even good.
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Great points.
Fire this fire that….just play the damn game.
December 26th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
I think you saw glimpses of it in the Carolina and Cincinnati games. Solidarity, us against them…something when a team retaliates indicates passion.
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First time cut and paste poster. You can only take so much beat down before you bite back. Coaches probably do a lot of ripping and blow hole gouging during practice. Look for the players to start getting into the coaches faces a little more.
December 26th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Aphid Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Thanks KoolKell.
What kind of gets me is all this Fire DA, keep DA, Fire whom so ever stuff.
Ask yourselves these questions and think it through.
1. Does our coaches teach our players or just get in their face like a drill instructor in the military?
2. Do they inspire the players to do better or just run them down. You know learned helplessness (Psy. 101)?
3. Are they willing to admit to their errors and correct it or is it my way or the highway?
4. Last but most important. Are you willing to follow a leader such as you have determined into combat?
After answering these questions to yourself, maybe alter your beliefs. Also might give you some insight of how the player may feel about the coaches. Not saying that our player are great or even good.
“”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”
I think the 4-12 speaks for itself. So do the team stats. Speaks volumes about the coaching staff. So does the horizontal game plans and the lack of touch down production.
December 26th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
corr:
1 Do our ..
Last para: it may alter
December 26th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Can’t argue with 4-12. We were 8-8. Just needed a bit of a pull, not a garbage run.
December 26th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Raiders shut out in Pro Bowl selections
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, December 26th, 2012 at 4:13 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The NFL announced the Pro Bowl selections Wednesday afternoon, and the Raiders didn’t have any players on the AFC team.
Kicker Sebastian Janikowski and fullback Marcel Reece were picked as alternates, the Raiders said. This is the first year since 2003 that the Raiders didn’t have at least one player selected.
Last year, Janikowski, punter Shane Lechler, long-snapper Jon Condo and defensive tackle Richard Seymour represented the Raiders in the Pro Bowl.
It seemed logical that Janikowski had the best chance of making the Pro Bowl among the Raiders players. He converted 31 of 34 field-goal attempts through the first 15 games, with his misses coming from 51, 61 and 64 yards.
Also, Janikowski won the fan portion of the voting, which accounts for one-third of the process. Players and coaches also get one-third of the vote.
Last season, Janikowski converted 31 of 35 field-goal attempts, including a league record-tying 63-yarder against the Denver Broncos in the regular-season opener.
The Cleveland Browns Phil Dawson was selected as the kicker for the AFC. He has made 28 of 29 field-goal attempts so far this season. His lone miss came against the Raiders in Oakland.
Coincidentally, Dawson signd with the Raiders as an undrafted free agent in 1998. He signed with the Browns in 1999 and developed into one of the league’s best kickers. Janikowski joined the Raiders in 2000 as a first-round draft pick.
Lechler’s streak of consecutive Pro Bowls made ended at five.
Pathetic.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:05 am
Raiders-Chargers Preview
NOEY KUPCHAN (STATS Writer)
The Associated Press – December 27, 2012
While the San Diego Chargers kicked off their season with a win over the AFC West rival Oakland Raiders, it’s been a turbulent ride since.
The Norv Turner era could be coming to an end as a result.
In what is expected to be Turner’s last game as coach, San Diego tries to go out on a strong note Sunday against an Oakland team still deciding who to start in place of the injured Carson Palmer.
Turner – possibly along with general manager A.J. Smith – is expected to be fired at seasons end. The Chargers (6-9) haven’t made the playoffs since 2009 and are set to finish with their worst record since going 4-12 in 2003.
“There’s a lot of speculation that way and I know people assume that,” said Turner, about to conclude his sixth season in San Diego. “As I said to our team, probably four or five weeks ago, this is really an outstanding group of people, aside from what they are as football players.
“Obviously we’re playing a divisional rival. You’re playing the Raiders, so we’re just getting everything we can out of this week, enjoy each other, then we’ll see what happens.”
San Diego is seeking its third straight victory in this series after a 22-14 win at Oakland in Week 1. The Raiders (4-11), though, have posted back-to-back wins at Qualcomm Stadium after losing seven straight there from 2003-09.
“We’re in the same division and we’re located rather closely to one another,” Philip Rivers told the Chargers’ official website. “It goes back a long time. I know the fans and the state of California get fired up about it. And it just so happens it’s the last game of the year this year.
“Obviously the case with these two teams, we’ve both had seasons we didn’t anticipate, but it’s a game both teams will be ready to go.”
Rivers, who with 3,455 passing yards is all but certain to come up short of 4,000 for the first time since 2007, threw for 165 and two touchdowns last Sunday in a 27-17 road win over the New York Jets. The Chargers sacked the inexperienced Greg McElroy a franchise record-tying 11 times in that game, and would appear to have another favorable matchup in store.
With Palmer ruled out after suffering cracked ribs and a bruised lung during last Sunday’s 17-6 loss at Carolina, the Raiders are expected to start either Matt Leinart or Terrelle Pryor in this game.
Leinart saw nearly all of the snaps after Palmer was knocked out last weekend, completing 16 of 32 passes with an interception. He and Pryor, though, shared reps with the first-team offense during Wednesday’s practice.
“We got a chance to see what Matt could do and we might need to see a little bit more of Terrelle,” coach Dennis Allen said. “They’re two totally different quarterbacks. Terrelle obviously is an athletic quarterback that can really do some things on the move. Matt’s a little bit more your prototypical pocket passer. So when you look at those guys you’ve got to take into account those skill sets and what they do well.
“We’ll continue to monitor it and we’ll make a decision at the end of the week which way we’re going to go.”
While the Raiders figure to lean on Darren McFadden given their shaky QB situation, the fifth-year back has generally struggled to find holes. He ran the ball 17 times for 33 yards against the Panthers and is averaging 3.3 yards per carry – the NFL’s third-lowest mark among qualified players.
“We certainly want to get Darren going and we haven’t really been able to get it on track on a consistent basis,” Allen said. “We have to be able to block better, we’ve got to be able to run it better and then be able to execute in the passing game, which opens up some of the run game options.”
McFadden was limited to 32 yards on 15 attempts against the Chargers earlier this year but hauled in a career-high 13 receptions for 86 yards.
The Raiders, losers of seven of eight overall, have been outscored by an average of 16.6 points in going 1-6 on the road.
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Start Pryor.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:16 am
If knapp doesn’t have the offense on the same page and ready to play by now, there’s a good chance we might not score a T D
December 27th, 2012 at 3:17 am
[...] Raiders shut out in Pro Bowl selections The NFL announced the Pro Bowl selections Wednesday afternoon, and the Raiders didn’t have any players on the AFC team. Kicker Sebastian Janikowski and fullback Marcel Reece were picked as alternates, the Raiders said. This is the first year si… [...]
December 27th, 2012 at 3:38 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Raider O Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Te’o is the real deal. Has it all. The way he speaks, just shows how mature he is.
Comparing him to McClain is silly. I think McClain did two interviews the whole time he was a Raider and those interviews lasted maybe 3 minutes.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89462&draftyear=2013&genpos=ILB
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Comparing 2 LBs who have the same size and speed is silly?
LOL @ you people
I think judging players based on interviews is silly. They get paid to play not give interviews.
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Yep. They get played to play….you said it…Te’o plays football and is not a quitter or bum like McClain.
Judging Te’o on straight line 40 speed??
Come on now…at least we know McK won’t be focusing on HWS measurables and straight line 40m speed when it comes to drafting football players.
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And McClain didn’t have the HWS measurables either. I’m sure te’o will be a better Pro than McClain but that doesn’t make Andy Katzenmoyer worthy of a top 5 pick.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:40 am
GG Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
We’re not drafting Manti Teo you can bookmark it. Stop wanting it, it ain’t happening.
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Currently, I don’t trust this staff to make the right decision.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:40 am
#300…good post
December 27th, 2012 at 3:47 am
Carson Palmer didn’t make the Pro Bowl?
4,018 yards & 22 TD’s (plus 1 rush TD) !!
I guess the Pro Bowl voters look at wins & turnovers.
Raider fans do not
December 27th, 2012 at 3:54 am
Palmer produced the same number of wins as Vick & Stafford this season…
pay him that $17 million next year, Reggie!!
December 27th, 2012 at 3:58 am
palmer will be back. that’s a fact.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:01 am
Carson Palmer:
8 wins , 17 losses
37 TD’s , 36 turnovers
December 27th, 2012 at 4:02 am
Palmer will be traded to the Cardinals.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:07 am
2010 Bengals with Palmer:
4-12. last place in the AFC North
Bengals without Palmer, 9 wins each season. playoff team
December 27th, 2012 at 4:09 am
GG & Dr Bob,
do you think Reggie will head to the media room on draft day, smile at the reporters and say “Carson Palmer is my 2nd round pick” … similar to what he did last time around?
December 27th, 2012 at 4:12 am
Palmer will be traded to the Cardinals.
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what is his trade value?
we get our 2nd round pick back and free up some cap space? is that it?
December 27th, 2012 at 4:15 am
Maybe a conditional 3rd, or 2nd at best.
But we might also package deal the Cardinals Palmer-Dmac.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:19 am
However…if Ray Anderson comes on board as P of FO, then that could change a lot of things. At the moment, Reggie is trying to trade a lot out for his guys/players. That’s the only path he seems to care for. If Mark hires R.Anderson, it would be as a way to rein in Reggie.
If reggie had his way, he’d be trading a lot of players for picks. If Ray’s his boss, then that wont happen as much.
All this is me speculating btw.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:44 am
Maybe a conditional 3rd, or 2nd at best.
But we might also package deal the Cardinals Palmer-Dmac.
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GG,
thats intriguing. I like it!
but the Cards already have Williams & Wells at RB
would Reggie want either of them? would either player flourish in a zone blocking system? besides, he seems more interested in draft picks than players
Also, i’m sure they’re looking to unload Kolb’s massive contract.
I wouldn’t trade them Palmer & McFadden in exchange for Kolb & Wells straight up.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:04 am
by the way:
I hope we do hire Ray Anderson. not because Reggie is reckless, but because Mark Davis doesn’t know how to run a football team.
he’s just a fan, like us
December 27th, 2012 at 5:22 am
Wells is seeking a trade out.
Wouldn’t want to Kolb or even Wells.
Just picks. And/or maybe Patrick Peterson or Calais Campbell.
And yep, Ray Anderson is important because Mark doesn’t know how to properly evaluate the performance of a GM, if he’s doing anything destructive, can’t be BSed by Reggie. Ray covers Mark’s ass. Ensures Reggie is held accountable and pushes him to make sure Reggie holds Dennis accountable. Whereas already we can see many examples of agendas going on between Reggie and Dennis. And Reggie hiring family/friends.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:26 am
Do ex-LBs make good GMs?
Reggie and Millen
December 27th, 2012 at 5:28 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:01 am
Carson Palmer:
8 wins , 17 losses
37 TD’s , 36 turnovers
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raiderrockstar:
thinks wins and losses are what a quarterback does, instead of realizing their job is to complete passes and get yards.
also, doesn’t realize a qb fumbling when he’s decked from behind is not on him, it’s on the line.
in other words:
raiderrockstar:
does not understand football.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:30 am
wells would be great pickup. similar back to bush.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:31 am
How do you say this with a straight face?
While acknowledging Pryor wouldn’t get a Palmer-like package of plays, Allen is reluctant to scale it back too much.
“You can’t simplify it to the point where you make it too easy on (the defense),” Allen said.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:32 am
carson palmer will only be traded if reggie also trades down and picks up geno smith in the middle of the first. it won’t be pryor that takes over. not even close to being ready, and it’s extremely unlikely he ever is. in fact, sunday could be his last day as a qb.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:31 am
How do you say this with a straight face?
While acknowledging Pryor wouldn’t get a Palmer-like package of plays, Allen is reluctant to scale it back too much.
“You can’t simplify it to the point where you make it too easy on (the defense),” Allen said.
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it speaks volumes. he knows pryor can’t handle anything close to the full playbook. and yet he watched leinart on sunday with a front row seat, so he knows what that will look like too. poor guy.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:34 am
Geno is going #1 overall.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:35 am
GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:34 am
Geno is going #1 overall.
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hahahahaha
December 27th, 2012 at 5:35 am
oh wait, u were serious.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:38 am
On a different front and away from football…
Miss Universe is stunningly beautiful.
God bless America!
December 27th, 2012 at 5:43 am
i will be shocked if:
1) we don’t trade down.
2) palmer is not our qb next season.
3) pryor looks anything close to good on sunday.
but if it happens, so be it, because:
1) if we don’t trade down, it’s cuz we get a super-stud pass rusher.
2) if palmer is traded, it’s cuz we drafted geno smith in the mid-1st.
3) if pryor surprises, we have “new waver’.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:43 am
Reggie’s eyeing someone from this lot…
Tyler Bray (Vols connection with Reggie) is the hot tip.
Otherwise someone from…
Mike Glennon
Landry Jones
Brad Sorensen
Sean Renfree
Colin Klein
December 27th, 2012 at 5:47 am
Cardinals would be a viable trade partner, they may try to rebottle the few years they got out of Warner.
Still think the Jets would be very much in the mix as well. Think they keep Rex and give him one year without Sanchez to see what he can do.
As far as Palmer’s trade value? Don’t think we can get a early 2nd (where those teams would be drafting) straight up for him, so we would have to package a late pick with it just to sweeten the pot.
Palmer and a 6th, for a 2nd type thing.
Greater chance, IMO, of trading Palmer then trading back in the first round.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:49 am
GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:43 am
Reggie’s eyeing someone from this lot…
Tyler Bray (Vols connection with Reggie) is the hot tip.
Otherwise someone from…
Mike Glennon
Landry Jones
Brad Sorensen
Sean Renfree
Colin Klein
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u have no way of knowing who he’s got in mind.
he doesn’t even know because:
1) he doesn’t know what pryor will look like on sunday, although i’m sure he has an idea.
2) he doesn’t know what he could potentially get for palmer.
3) he hasn’t reviewed yet-to-be-played bowl games, all-star games, and combine results. nor pro-days.
we all know about where certain guys are pegged as of now. a LOT changes from now until april.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Who wants to trade up in this draft?
Is a team really going to give up extra picks, to trade up and get Joeckel or Jarvis Jones?
I just can’t see that.
Only way we can trade down is for a name. A team wanting Geno or Te’O, and I am pretty sure we would be interested in Te’O ourselves.
And they might go 1-2 anyways.
Trade down is a very UNLIKELY scenario for us.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:51 am
LOL at Colin Klein.
Like I said before, he has a windup that would make Hideo Nomo proud.
ZERO CHANCE, that guy ever does anything in the NFL as a QB.
Z-E-R-O
December 27th, 2012 at 5:52 am
That’s why I put him last on the list JFB.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:52 am
not likely we will trade palmer for these reasons:
1) no immediate starting caliber qb ready.
2) can’t get enough value for a qb of his ability.
3) too much media flack for giving up a 1 and a 2 and only getting back whatever we would get back.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:57 am
QB is Tyler Bray #1, and then Glennon, Jones, Sorensen, with Renfree and Klein as last resorts from the 6/7th or UDFA.
Reggie will draft a QB because he’ll trade Palmer if he gets the green light (salary too high), Leinart might stay as vet insurance, he’ll keep Pryor another year to compete. If he can’t progress he’ll be gone end of 2013.
Otherwise, Palmer will come back if he re-re-structures, Leinart thus gone, with Pryor and drafted QB competing for the 2 and 3.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:59 am
We have to cut our losses with Palmer.
He is like the pitcher who only hangs one curveball a game, but it is to the cleanup hitter with 2 on.
And he does it almost every start.
Plus, he makes way too much money.
I would expect if we did ship him out of town, we would keep Pryor, draft another rookie QB (hopefully Aaron Murray) and bring in another fringe vet guy like a Flynn, and let them battle it out in camp.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:02 am
GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:57 am
QB is Tyler Bray #1, and then Glennon, Jones, Sorensen, with Renfree and Klein as last resorts from the 6/7th or UDFA.
Reggie will draft a QB because he’ll trade Palmer if he gets the green light (salary too high), Leinart might stay as vet insurance, he’ll keep Pryor another year to compete. If he can’t progress he’ll be gone end of 2013.
Otherwise, Palmer will come back if he re-re-structures, Leinart thus gone, with Pryor and drafted QB competing for the 2 and 3.
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Interestingly enough National Football Post’s mock projects Raiders taking Luke Matthews at 3 – and rate Joeckel and Matthews 1-2 as OT prospects
Draftek projects QB Landry Jones falling to 3rd round and we take him, but CB Dee Milliner of Bama as our first pick
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/scouting_department.html
Te’o projected to go to N.Y.Giants at 20. Incidentally Lombardi (our old GM under Davis is a contributing writer)
GG dont you think Palmer stays as a bridge for either Pryor or Bray/Jones/Glennon as a later pick?
It would be a big critical point if Palmer goes, but with the injury they have an excuse maybe?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:03 am
I’m thinking it’ll be something like…
first pick: top-rated LT
next pick gained from a trade: T.Bray
Got his franchise QB and LT.
Moves Veldheer to RT.
Then one or two 3-4 OLBs, a 4th-5th round ILB.
Maybe a CB or Safety in the 5th-6th
Then round it out with a Center and NT in the 6th-7th.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
December 27th, 2012 at 6:06 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Who wants to trade up in this draft?
Is a team really going to give up extra picks, to trade up and get Joeckel or Jarvis Jones?
I just can’t see that.
Only way we can trade down is for a name. A team wanting Geno or Te’O, and I am pretty sure we would be interested in Te’O ourselves.
And they might go 1-2 anyways.
Trade down is a very UNLIKELY scenario for us.
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the strength of this draft is pass rushers at the top. there is very much a chance that a team will trade up to get one of them. however, the two teams at the top will also be looking to trade down since there isn’t a top qb to take there. so we will be one of the three or more looking to trade down.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:09 am
first pick: top-rated LT
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Man I would be sooooo pissed with that.
Veldheer is not a superstar, but is very solid, maybe our best player at times. That young LT would have to be very good, just to be a slight upgrade.
Talk about not drafting for need.
If we go O-line early, it has to be in the interior.
But I am pretty sure we will be drafting on the defensive side of the ball. Give our young defensive minded HC a toy to play with.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Morning Hwnrdr…….you see our FB pics of the tailgate?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:12 am
RaiderSam…
I think Palmer’s salary is way too high, not to mention he’s on the wane.
I think Reggie will be true to his word focusing on the lines. Looking to ensure he has a rock-solid OL for his hand-picked QB to start immediately behind.
OL + DL-LB (a top 5 D) the main ingredients to help a rookie QB get settled.
Then slowly bit by bit over 2013 and 2014 arm that QB with more sexy playmakers at WR, RB, TE.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:14 am
GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:34 am
Geno is going #1 overall.
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i’ve seen Star going to KC on one mock
Geno going to KC in two other mocks
draftsite also projects Geno to KC
so GG, they cant trade down, so they stick with Joeckel or Matthews to protect Palmer (Bergstrom over matched)
T.Bray …. who is a bit raw compared to more polished , but short Aaron Murray
3-4 rush LB that would be the florida St. guy,
I had projected
1st (via Trade down)
Johnathan Banks, CB, Miss St.
Ezekial Ansah, DE, BYU
Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida St.
Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio St.
Brandon Jenkins, OLB/DE, Florida St.
Demontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
2nd round pick (acquired via trade down)
Margus Hunt, DE, SMU
Chase Thomas, OLB, Stanford
Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon St.
Bacarri Rambo, FS, Georgia
Khaseem Greene, OLB, Rutgers
3rd
Corey Lemonier, OLB/DE, Auburn
Kyle Long, OT, Oregon
Shayne Skov, ILB, Stanford
Eddie Lacy, RB, Bama – if he comes out, gives us the Michael Bush factor
Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
Brandon Williams, DT, Missouri Southern
4th
Montori Hughes, DT, Tenn-Martin
Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee
Leon McFadden, CB, SDSU
Johnathan Jenkins, NT, Georgia – only if a 3-4 nt is considered in a changing d
Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma
Stepfan Taylor, RB, Stanford
Sanders Comming, CB, Georgia
Tyrann Mathieu,CB, LSU – more seen as PR then development nickel type
Kevin Riddick, ILB, N.Carolina -early reports indicate another Curry – highly athletic , but slow to process and read
Ramon Buchanon, OLB, Miami – speed type OLB
December 27th, 2012 at 6:17 am
JFB…
Reggie is very good at identifying mid-late even UDFA ILBs. He’s done it for years at the Packers, and already has shown here he can spot a few out too.
He knows he is good at this, so wont need to ‘waste’ top picks on LB like T’eo.
Why the early-mid targets will be LT/QB/OLB(3-4), then NT/C/ILB, then S/CB/WR/TE projects.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:18 am
GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:03 am
I’m thinking it’ll be something like…
first pick: top-rated LT
next pick gained from a trade: T.Bray
Got his franchise QB and LT.
Moves Veldheer to RT.
Then one or two 3-4 OLBs, a 4th-5th round ILB.
Maybe a CB or Safety in the 5th-6th
Then round it out with a Center and NT in the 6th-7th.
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man dude, i don’t think understand the draft at all. or this team.
1) we will not trade palmer unless we have our ready-to-start qb-of-the-future in-house. that means EITHER pryor or a first round pick. plus, DA has said already that palmer will be back.
2) we will NOT draft a qb if we think pryor is the guy. sunday means a LOT for pryor’s future as a qb. in other words, he’s a wr next season.
3) LT is not even close to being what we would take. veldheer is our best lineman and everyone thinks he’s a long-term answer there. with so many problems to address, why would we draft a LT and move a good one?
4) the defense WAS considered the top priority. bu i think the last couple weeks have possibly changed that. reggie and DA have said all along that they felt the lack of pass rush was due to poor coverage. with adams and ross emerging at cb, and carter getting healthy, it looks like they might be right, since the rush has been much better recently.
as of now, top needs are:
1) better O-line
2) #1 WR
3) pass rushing OLB
4) future qb
but we will try desperately to trade down and accumulate picks.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:18 am
I would rather have Jonathan Jenkins from Georgia than Jarvis Jones.
I watched quite a few Georgia games, and it is flat out crazy to me that Jones is considered a top 5 pick, and Jenkins is a 3rd or 4th rounder potentially.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:19 am
GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:12 am
RaiderSam…
I think Palmer’s salary is way too high, not to mention he’s on the wane.
I think Reggie will be true to his word focusing on the lines. Looking to ensure he has a rock-solid OL for his hand-picked QB to start immediately behind.
OL + DL-LB (a top 5 D) the main ingredients to help a rookie QB get settled.
Then slowly bit by bit over 2013 and 2014 arm that QB with more sexy playmakers at WR, RB, TE.
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OL – Matthews/Joeckel
DL – Margus Hunt/Brandon Williams or Johnathan Jenkins – FA Alan Branch? Sammie Lee Hill
DE – Corey Lemonier, Michael Buchanan or John Simon, Ohio St.
C – James Ferentz, Iowa (later on in draft)
LB – Andrew Jackson, or Nick Clancy, B.College
G- Jeff Baca
December 27th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Nice list there RaiderSam (for me showing as post #395)
December 27th, 2012 at 6:20 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:18 am
I would rather have Jonathan Jenkins from Georgia than Jarvis Jones.
I watched quite a few Georgia games, and it is flat out crazy to me that Jones is considered a top 5 pick, and Jenkins is a 3rd or 4th rounder potentially.
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What tells you Warmack and Barret Jones and Bama’s line is so good is that they blew through 350 Kwame Geathers and 360 pound Jenkins for like 380 yards or some ridiculous number – Georgia GOT MASHED….they ran right at Jenkins, too.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:22 am
GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Nice list there RaiderSam (for me showing as post #395)
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Yeah..were getting there…hopefully next draft gets us back to .500 and IN some closer games. 2012 was ridiculous…that Saint-Buc-Raven stretch was unforgivable.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:22 am
THIS TEAM NEEDS PLAYER’S EVERYWHERE.NOT A PLAYER OR 2 AWAY.THE MORE PICKS THE BETTER.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:22 am
In that ‘Bama game, they went after Jarvis Jones……..with TE’s.
And he got destroyed.
Seemed like the only time they stopped a run in that game, either Jenkins or their safety (Williams I think) were involved.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Morning Hwnrdr…….you see our FB pics of the tailgate?
Good Morning JFB! I seen a couple of them…did you post more?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:25 am
u guys need to listen to what they say.
1) palmer will be back
2) the lack of pass rush was due to the coverage (better since adams and ross–cheap finds–are in)
3) DA just said the lack of consistent run game is a huge problem
here’s how i think it plays out:
1) pryor looks horrible sunday as does leinart. leinart is gone. pryor is switched to wr in the offseason.
2) palmer is brought back.
3) we trade down to collect the all-important 2nd round pick, and we pick geno smith in the first or another qb in the 2nd or 3rd.
4) we draft an OL in the first, possibly warmack if we only trade down a few spots, OR we draft teo to be our defensive leader for ten years.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:26 am
as of now, top needs are:
1) better O-line
2) #1 WR
3) pass rushing OLB
4) future qb
but we will try desperately to trade down and accumulate picks.
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think a trade down to acquire Cal’s Keenan Allen might be a good idea? – closest thing to a Megatron run-after-the catch type…if he’s over his injuries…he even returns punts. Him and Quinton Patton of Louisiana Tech are considered the top 2 receivers… – so
Luke Joeckel
possibly Patton later or Allen first with Brennan Williams of N.Carolina later or C Braxton Cave?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:27 am
DrRobert…no need to get snipey, just what I see. It’s okay for disagreement.
There’s no way the Chiefs pass up Smith #1, unless they trade for another team’s QB like say Kirk Cousins.
And Reggie can get a #1 WR via Jennings or Bowe. A vet WR will help out a rookie QB far more. Like Wayne for Luck.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:28 am
i realistically think Teo is James Laurenitis…a good solid player, but not necessarily a game changer. Alec Ogletree is projected above him on some ratings boards… – he goes high mainly due to the character thing.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:33 am
GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:27 am
DrRobert…no need to get snipey, just what I see. It’s okay for disagreement.
There’s no way the Chiefs pass up Smith #1, unless they trade for another team’s QB like say Kirk Cousins.
And Reggie can get a #1 WR via Jennings or Bowe. A vet WR will help out a rookie QB far more. Like Wayne for Luck.
RaiderSam Says:
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ok. lol. sorry.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:36 am
right now, barring trading down (which i still think reggie will desperately try to do), i think we will go after an OL (but not move veldheer). the defense has looked better. our run game has been very poor (except when dmc WASN’T in there).
however, we do have a LB picking, and he might fall in love with teo. a guy who will be our leader (another thing reggie said was we have no leaders on defense).
December 27th, 2012 at 6:38 am
With Seymour most likely not coming back…I’d have to agree! We do need some type of leadership! But I don’t think we have that on offense as well!
December 27th, 2012 at 6:39 am
our needs and how i think we will address them:
O-line: perhaps our biggest area of need at this point, which does puzzle since it was good last year. bergstrom for carlisle. add a RT or RG thru 1st round or FA, depending on reggie’s decision regarding brisiel and barnes.
WR: FA vet, like bowe.
Pass rusher: draft, either thru current position in first, or possibly thru FA.
MLB: teo!
CB: FA. i think adams will start and i think ross will play FS.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:41 am
I AM WITH POST-408 ON TEO.BUT MY DRAFT HISTORY IS NOT THE BEST..
December 27th, 2012 at 6:42 am
JFB…
Center is extremely important too. We either draft a LT, move Jared to RT, draft a C. Or leave Jared LT, draft a Center high (1st-2nd), and can take RT in the 5-7th rounds.
Also, in terms of toys for the defense. The other option is taking the top-rated NT in the first. Then QB, interior OL, etc.
But also remember…Reggie already drafted last year Crawford and Bilikudi. So he might already think he has a NT and OLB/DE there.
However, that raises another issue, which is Bergstrom has sucked so far, and Crawford and Bilukidi may end up sucking too.
Not sure how often Reggie can afford to keep drafting more NT/DE/OL if he keeps drafting poor ones or too long a projects.
Reggie needs to ensure he picks rookies in the top rounds who start immediately, can contribute right away.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:45 am
OL wishes:
Veldheer stays put, draft a mid/late round center, slide Wiz back to LG, Bergstrom in for Brisiel (please trade him), pick-up a vet FA RT
December 27th, 2012 at 6:45 am
For you guys that watch Notre dame play this year…is it only because of their D Line that Te’o has looked good? I mean why was he a finalist for the Heisman? Just asking…
But yes, we need to protect the QB, whoever that may be next year, and be able to run block.
Knapp, sorry, will have to be replaced, or none of that will matter!
On D, if not Te’o, get a good pass rusher in here because that went out the door this year!
December 27th, 2012 at 6:45 am
will reggie really spend money on dwayne bowe? he wont come cheap..
December 27th, 2012 at 6:47 am
I thought Bilikudi looked decent when he was in…I could be wrong! Not sure about Crawford!
December 27th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Anyone think Reggie is considering Matt Flynn or Greg Jennings? You know he will keep tapping the relationships he built in GB…
December 27th, 2012 at 6:49 am
If we go 3-4, Desmond Bryant will be in the mix at NT.
As far as the rookies so far, The Reggie talks a lot about the long-term “plan”, so we got to see if “his” players improve a lot from year 1 to year 2.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:50 am
Jennings probably more likely than Bowe. For a few reasons…Packers, cheaper/older, Bowe more expensive and will be a bigger bidding war. Bowe would be the better one to get tho.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:52 am
Reggie better not go after Flynn. He got beaten out by a 5th round rookie in camp/pre-season. That spells Kolb-like problems for Reggie if he trades for him. The Seahawks would’ve been Kolb-like situation if they didn’t draft Wilson.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:54 am
AL WOULD BE ALL OVER BOWE.JUST BECAUSE OF THE KC CONNECTION..
December 27th, 2012 at 6:55 am
You can’t ignore all the INT’s for Te’o this year. That can’t all be due to a great D-line.
We saw Kuechly pick a pass and almost house it, that would be awesome from our MLB.
Te’O = impact player
December 27th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Greg Jennings would be great. He would be our best WR since, pre milenium Tim Brown.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Good take on Flynn, GG… He came in and had that incredible game for GB last year, only because of the talent around him… Unfortunately, he woulndt have that luxury of WR talent here… I do think however, that our young WR corps has much upside, but do agree a vet #1 would do wonders in their development… I would do backflips to have L. Fitzgerald..
December 27th, 2012 at 7:02 am
I havent seen much ND football this year, so I cant offer much for or against him…
I can offer that I would be skeptical on taking a first round LB after watching ‘the jogger’ play for the last couple of years.. Romac always seems out of position and cant shed blocks…
December 27th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Good Morning
This is my take on where our lines are today:
BARNES Free agent cast off from Jacksonville. 30 years old. The Denver game is all you should need to see that he can NOT compete at the NFL level. Requires major max protect against good dlines which limits our offensive options.
CARLISLE 35 years old. Probably retiring after this year. Can Bergstrom backfill?
BRISIEL Free agent 29 years old Average performance at best this year
SHAUGNESSY Complete non factor as a pass rusher. Ineffective on rush defense as well. Continues to lose playing time to Carter who is 33.
KELLY Undrafted free agent signed most lucrative deal for a DT in NFL history. Easily neutralized by good Olines. Only applies rush pressure against weak fronts. Has been part of Dlines that are routinely shredded by good running backs at an embarrassingly high statistical level. The Tampa game should tell you how quickly he can disappear.
SEYMOUR 33 years old Body is shot. Cannot practice let alone play. Will not be in NFL next year. Disastrous.
Houston, Wiz II, Veldheer show promise. The rest would not be starting anywhere else in the NFL.
It will take two drafts just to deal with these holes.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:22 am
LT should ideally be a 1st or high 2nd round type pick, getting the best graded ones.
RT, LG, RG, can all be had with late round picks, they’re mainly thumpers.
C can be had with late 1st to 2-3 round pick.
Cowboys great 90’s OL built with a ton of late round interior and RT picks is an example of how it can often be done.
But cant give it half-hearted approach. Would love to see the Raiders going back to building both lines yearly like 4 out of 7 picks every year. Keep adding to it, phasing out the back-ups with better back-ups who push the starters down, that’s how you keep the bar high there.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:36 am
I don’t understand why everyone like Dwyane Bowe so much, he’s like a younger version of Braylon Edwards
December 27th, 2012 at 7:37 am
GG
I think we have had this debate before.
I would be ecstatic if we could find a guy that can neutralize Von Miller/Dumerville in the 7th round.
I think we have already seen what we can get with FA (Brisiel, Barnes, Carter etc). Modern FA are rarely worth their lofty salary expectations.
Can it be done? Yes. What is the probability of short term success? Rather low.
What I think you are missing is that successful teams added these “projects” over longer periods of time to a solid core that was in place. These pieces were added one at a time to a solid foundation and allowed to develop.
Put another way; I think Brisiel would be more effective with Shell, Upshaw, Dalby and Lawrence than what was around him this year.
Our lines have been ignored for too long and need more invasive surgery with higher round, higher probability of INSTANT impact picks.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:40 am
3 practice snaps for pryor.. great coaching
December 27th, 2012 at 7:42 am
reggie will not spend money on anyone but gb practice squad players…
December 27th, 2012 at 7:42 am
432.Marks hair Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:40 am
3 practice snaps for pryor.. great coaching
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You sound surprised?
December 27th, 2012 at 7:43 am
433.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:42 am
reggie will not spend money on anyone but gb practice squad players…
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Or Full Backs, Reggie loves Full Backs
December 27th, 2012 at 7:44 am
20 mill on briesel ..thats not ignoring the offensive line. that s making a decision that briesel is a big investment and part of the future. briesel was the wrong guy.. reggie made a mistake
December 27th, 2012 at 7:45 am
They should’ve kept Satelle, keep the left side the way it is and then begin addressing the right side, instead they just created one more hole at LG to go along with RT & RG
December 27th, 2012 at 7:49 am
I am a little surprised.. everyone knows you get your rook qb time when the seasons over.. cp3 getting hurt was karma. This is bullshìt.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Judge
I liked Satele.
Problem is I think(?) he was asking for more than we could afford. Gets back to our cap limitations that hurt us this year.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:52 am
439.Charlie Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Judge
I liked Satele.
Problem is I think(?) he was asking for more than we could afford. Gets back to our cap limitations that hurt us this year.
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What makes you think that? It’s not like he had a Pro Bowl year. It’s not like his replacement, Brisel, came aboard for the League min.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Charlie Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Judge
I liked Satele.
Problem is I think(?) he was asking for more than we could afford. Gets back to our cap limitations that hurt us this year.
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cork reported before we signed carter we were 6 mil under cap. satele could have fit fine. reggie made his priorities on giving seymour a new contract, franchising branch then giving him a long term deal and signing briesel. just bad decisions, not cap related
December 27th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Why in the F would Jennings or Bowe want to play in this schitt scheme? 3 yd out, screen, 4 yd hitch, repeat… this will be the offense next year even if Knapp is fired. DA will vanilla the hell out of any offense because it fits his milk toast vision of a football team. What a disgrace this guy is to a once proud franchise.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:55 am
It’s ok to admit Reggie made a mistake. It happens, but we’d have no problem giving Al $h!t for his bad moves, no reason to hold Reggie to the same standards.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:59 am
NYC
Both Satele and Brisiel are making $700 this year.
Agreed that it was not cap related.
I am wondering how much it was driven by getting Wiz back to center, making Satele expendable?
December 27th, 2012 at 7:59 am
443. *No reason NOT to hold Reggie to the same standards
December 27th, 2012 at 8:00 am
442. We’d have to overpay.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Me and you Charlie are on the same team anyway — arguing for concerted and consistent focus on the lines.
Remember, the draft is a strange animal, where it doesnt matter where you get drafted/rated either. Needn’t elaborate on this, we all know it. Can’t just always take the OL rounds 1-4 then take other positions 5-7/UDFA. That’s the art of scouting/drafting too, where you can get better players later if you know your stuff, or you luck out, because they flew under the radar, or small schools, in order to take some BPA from another position who happened to fall to you.
But we’re on the same team anyway.
As that article I posted last week said well….any GM armed with a ton of picks in one hand and a ton of cash in another hand can get good players and look a genius. Any armchair GM could. Where really good GMs stand apart is whether they can find gems etc under the adversity of fewer picks, less cap, and working the late rounds.
So far, Reggie has made a bunch of bad decisions, and his OL/DL scouting ability has been a disappointment to date. Al did better than him the last couple years. Basically the best players in our OL right now are all Al players. So Reggie needs to calm down with the anti-Al agenda. At least Ray Anderson there to keep things from getting out of hand.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:01 am
just cant understand what reggie had done to earn anyone’s confidence. yes he deserves a draft, yes he came into a difficult position, but his moves have mostly been poor. i hope it was a rookie gm thing, but time will tell.2012 the year of the excuse 2013 no excuses..
December 27th, 2012 at 8:02 am
444.Charlie Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:59 am
NYC
Both Satele and Brisiel are making $700 this year.
Agreed that it was not cap related.
I am wondering how much it was driven by getting Wiz back to center, making Satele expendable?
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Well when he came here, Satelle also played Guard. So no reason to think he wouldn’t be better than Carlisle on the left side if the idea was to Make Wiz a permanent Center, even though he was a good Guard.
And Satelle was brought in by Cable for his ZBS so it’s not a scheme issue either.
Just a case of bad personnel evaluation.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:04 am
448.nycraider Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:01 am
just cant understand what reggie had done to earn anyone’s confidence. yes he deserves a draft, yes he came into a difficult position, but his moves have mostly been poor. i hope it was a rookie gm thing, but time will tell.2012 the year of the excuse 2013 no excuses..
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I already anticipate the “It takes time to assemble a good scout team” excuse, just hope it’s not needed.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Charlie Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:59 am
NYC
Both Satele and Brisiel are making $700 this year.
Agreed that it was not cap related.
I am wondering how much it was driven by getting Wiz back to center, making Satele expendable?
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brisel also got paid a big signing bonus that is prorated over the life of his contract. if he is cut next year, our cap takes an approx 2.7 mill hit..thats big money..if he stays his salary is 4-5 mill..bad deal
big wiz left bc of the craziness with knapp imo. big wiz knew what was going to happen ..
December 27th, 2012 at 8:05 am
milk toast is a perfect analogy to DA…
December 27th, 2012 at 8:06 am
I dont even feel like talking about potential raiders… i know these coaches will only spoil them..
December 27th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Don’t have much confidence in Reggie’s OL/DL scouting ability to date. He’s good at LB, WR, RB. Sometimes GMs are good at scouting some positions and bad at others. Bergstrom has been a flop really. He was our highest drafted player and took 14 weeks pretty much before getting any action, took so long to develop. When you draft you gotta get them to be contributors right away, able to start. Bilukidi and Crawford have done nothing really either. And who was the other DE Reggie drafted that got released in camp too.
He spent a bit of coin on Brisiel who has been god-awful. Willie Smith woeful. Ed Wang, Nix, etc, useless.
Tollefson useless.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:10 am
They are not fit to teach raider footbal. Fire those tards!!
December 27th, 2012 at 8:12 am
NYC
Certainly not defending the move but actually Satele does have a bigger cap hit than Brisiel in 2012.
Satele $1,867,000
Brisiel $1,380,000
This is the major reason why I would rather draft our core under the rookie cap. Free agents are usually available for a reason and often fall short of salary in terms of on field performance.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:15 am
454. You’re giving Reggie a little too much credit for Streater and Criner. Criner has done nothing, Streater has done nothing more than Murphy or Schilenz has done.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Reggie had a horrible 1st yr… his players stink.. wheelers an average player i guess.. goodys made of glass .. the rest are weak.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Charlie Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:12 am
NYC
Certainly not defending the move but actually Satele does have a bigger cap hit than Brisiel in 2012.
Satele $1,867,000
Brisiel $1,380,000
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500K is hardly a credible cap casualty especially considering the play of the two players, this year and last.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Chico,
Te’O # 2 to the jags over JJ? No way.
I don’t think he is going to be a top 5 pick. Too big and lacks speed (like McClain) too play MLB in 4-3, he had issues in coverage the prev years, and he plays behind a good DL.
Te’o = McClain 2.0 without the drama.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Streater and Criner are good gets tho.
Another factor…you can get good players but there’s a lot of good or bad coaching and good or bad schemes that contribute to them developing quickly or slowly or not at all.
Our entire offensive coaches have done a woeful job at everything from schemes to play-calling to developing players.
Our D looked good early, then after Atlanta, something happened, maybe lockerroom division due to McClain, and the whole November they looked terrible. But soon as they sorted a few issues out (mcclain), the D has looked better coached.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Charlie Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:12 am
NYC
Certainly not defending the move but actually Satele does have a bigger cap hit than Brisiel in 2012.
Satele $1,867,000
Brisiel $1,380,000
This is the major reason why I would rather draft our core under the rookie cap. Free agents are usually available for a reason and often fall short of salary in terms of on field performance.
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but Briesel prorated signing bonus is a big deal. hits our cap by 2.7 mil if he’s cut next year..if he stays its 4-5 mill salary. my point for a gm who should have been rebuilding , he sure didnt act that way with the handling of Seymour, branch, briesel and palmer. I would have rathered paid satele an extra 500k which we had per cork, instead of hitting our cap by 2.7 mil when briesel is cut next year.
With so many issues, why not leave our OL in tact. it was one of the few brigtspots in 2011. A good GM would have seen that IMO. But once again , I just hope Reggie had a bad rookie year. we will see
December 27th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Gentlemen,
You should also keep this in mind…
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/17883004/former-raiders-c-samson-satele-arrested-in-hawaii
Why resign a ‘lose cannon’ when you could move Wiz inside (what we intended to do with him from the outset) and just sign a solid guard who is familiar with ZBS for a similar salary?
December 27th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Criner has shown nothing, streater has had his ups and downs. both worth looking at next year, but its way to early to annoint them as legitimate playmakers.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:24 am
GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Streater and Criner are good gets tho.
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They look like exact clones of Murphy and Schilenz.
Criner is made of glass like Chaz, Both were good at attacking the ball but no speed.
Streater is a big guy who can only catch fade routes, he can’t seperate from DB’s and still drops balls. Only difference from Murphy is he can’t block.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Btw, you guys act like McClain had a bad rep at college. Most of the things being said about Te’o were said about McClain. Smart, leader, hard worker, etc…
You People
December 27th, 2012 at 8:25 am
It’s hard to show anything too btw when your OC has no clue, doesn’t involve players to speed them along, has limited personnel packages, etc.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:25 am
457…exactly what ive been saying…tgese guys have been all over their nuts…but they ar avg at best…
December 27th, 2012 at 8:27 am
466.Raider O Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Btw, you guys act like McClain had a bad rep at college. Most of the things being said about Te’o were said about McClain. Smart, leader, hard worker, etc…
You People
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Yeah, we were supposed to have more off field problems with DMC.
Remember Slowlando asking for the playbook as soon as he was drafted?
December 27th, 2012 at 8:27 am
actually murph and schilens could burn…and i would argue both were better blockers than streater or criner…
December 27th, 2012 at 8:28 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Gentlemen,
You should also keep this in mind…
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/17883004/former-raiders-c-samson-satele-arrested-in-hawaii
Why resign a ‘lose cannon’ when you could move Wiz inside (what we intended to do with him from the outset) and just sign a solid guard who is familiar with ZBS for a similar salary?
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understood, but he didnt have a negative effect on the colts, didnt dhb have an issue too? i dont think satele would have changed our season significently. the point im trying to make is reggie really hurt us with his bad decision on brisel. brisel had nothing to do with Al, nothing to do with not having a draft, nothing to do with cap issues. it was a bad decision that really hurts us more in 2013. these are the type of moves Al got killed in here for. Reggie supporters just can t say “Reggie made a mistake”..they give him all the excuses, and many of them are not worthy..
December 27th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Judge…
Also, there was a stat showing Palmer has had the shortest time in the pocket in the NFL. Releasing passes around the 3.1 second range or whatever it was.
Again…a top OL is the key. WRs can separate, get open, eventually the more time you give them.
This is the point…you don’t keep blowing picks on sexy WRs and DBs. You invest them in OL/Front7, which allows you to get productive yardage numbers out of average WRs/RBs, and on the defensive side, less yardage numbers conceded by average DBs thru disrupting the QBs time in the pocket.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:30 am
467.GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:25 am
It’s hard to show anything too btw when your OC has no clue, doesn’t involve players to speed them along, has limited personnel packages, etc.
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Bad play calling all around, but their numbers have been called all season long.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:31 am
470.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:27 am
actually murph and schilens could burn…and i would argue both were better blockers than streater or criner…
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Murphy had speed, didn’t see so much from Chaz but definetly more than these two guys.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:32 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:45 am
They should’ve kept Satelle, keep the left side the way it is and then begin addressing the right side, instead they just created one more hole at LG to go along with RT & RG
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Yup… All but one of McFaddens runs over ten yards last year were to the left side. He loves to cut to the left.
Wiz and Velheer were road graders last year.
Once McK blew up the left side of the line and also decided to make Myers (the worst run blocking TE in the NFL) their star TE, they should have traded McF… he was DOOMED here.
No holes to the left. No TE to create lanes to run through.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:33 am
472.GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Judge…
Also, there was a stat showing Palmer has had the shortest time in the pocket in the NFL. Releasing passes around the 3.1 second range or whatever it was.
Again…a top OL is the key. WRs can separate, get open, eventually the more time you give them.
This is the point…you don’t keep blowing picks on sexy WRs and DBs. You invest them in OL/Front7, which allows you to get productive yardage numbers out of average WRs/RBs, and on the defensive side, less yardage numbers conceded by average DBs thru disrupting the QBs time in the pocket.
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I agree our lines are weak, My point was simply to get off Reggie’s nuts, because all of his picks, While limited i know, have been below average with Burris being the only border line decent player. Same goes with Wheeler as his only FA success.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Murphy has done nothing at Carolina tho. He never amounted to a reliable #2 on the other side of Smith. Getting a ton of yardage, receptions, TDs.
Streater has shown he can be better.
Schefter reported DHB and Moore were on the block. That would be madness if true from Reggie. That agenda. DHB can be a YAC monster, and Moore simply got regressed by this woeful O coaching staff.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Check out de marcus hunt smu. Only played 4yrs of football. But hes a natural. 6″8 with a jason taylor build..
December 27th, 2012 at 8:37 am
no gm in the nfl is going to trade for dhb
December 27th, 2012 at 8:37 am
To say I’m on Reggie’s nuts is silly. I’ve been one of Reggie’s biggest critics all year, along with many others. Was just using that previous discussion to highlight how Reggie has especially sucked at scouting the OL/DL compared to WR/RB.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:38 am
GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Murphy has done nothing at Carolina tho. He never amounted to a reliable #2 on the other side of Smith. Getting a ton of yardage, receptions, TDs.
Streater has shown he can be better.
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This year sure, Streater’s been slightly better. If you compare their rookie years probably not the same but the point is, don’t start praising these guys too soon.
Ford, Murphy, Schilenz, etc…. were all guys we loved in their rookies years just like Streater. We get all pumped up about how they’re the next Tim Brown and get let down.
Just take it easy on the Criner-Streater hype is all i’m saying
December 27th, 2012 at 8:39 am
476. Exactly. Our problems started at the top. And the excuse makers around here are full of shìt.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:39 am
I gotta TOTALLY disagree with the comments on Streater.. He seems to be more productive than D Moore this year.. IMO Hagan is WAY under-utilized…
Also, how can you compare anyone to Shillens, Pryor had more game reps this year than Chaz in the last couple!
December 27th, 2012 at 8:42 am
479.nycraider Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:37 am
no gm in the nfl is going to trade for dhb
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I don’t get why people seem to think anyone on our roster is tradeable.
The only guys who would have any trade value on our team would be Wiz, Moore, Reese and Houston. And none would give us any higher of a pick, or even equal, than we used to get them.
But i still hear things like “Let’s trade 33year old Tommy “2sack” Kelly and his 8 million contract
December 27th, 2012 at 8:45 am
483.Raider-in-PA Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:39 am
I gotta TOTALLY disagree with the comments on Streater.. He seems to be more productive than D Moore this year.. IMO Hagan is WAY under-utilized…
Also, how can you compare anyone to Shillens, Pryor had more game reps this year than Chaz in the last couple!
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Moore still has more TD’s than any WR on our team, despite Streater being force fed since week 1.
And Criner has played just about as many snaps as Chaz
December 27th, 2012 at 8:47 am
When we say trade to a number of players, we mean get what you can. Eg, Kelly, conditional 7th say. If he wants out he’ll agree to a restructure with the new team, making him tradeable.
Try to get what you can from Kelly, Seymour, Shaughnessy, Brisiel. Guys like Huff, Branch, you could get 4ths/5ths. Guys like Dmac, Palmer you could get 2nds.
Try get something before outright releasing.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:50 am
We could have traded guys before the trade deadline maybe around week 2 or 3 but now everyone knows how much they suck the hype around dmac Kelly Seymour and branch is all gone…. I called for the fire sale everyone shot me down and now we’re paying the price enjoy not having the number 1 pick n enjoy not being able to trade anybody.. turd nonkeys
December 27th, 2012 at 8:50 am
look man criner will never be able to get seperation…purely a jump ball guy. Streater has been avg….not a real difference between him and murphy. comparing their stats with different teams makes no sense. but if they do try to ship out dhb and moore then maybe peeps will start to realize whats really going on…not even aj smith would be that dumb.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:51 am
486.GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:47 am
When we say trade to a number of players, we mean get what you can. Eg, Kelly, conditional 7th say. If he wants out he’ll agree to a restructure with the new team, making him tradeable.
Try to get what you can from Kelly, Seymour, Shaughnessy, Brisiel. Guys like Huff, Branch, you could get 4ths/5ths. Guys like Dmac, Palmer you could get 2nds.
Try get something before outright releasing.
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You really think teams would be willing to give up a 7th round pick for a 33 year old player comming off a 2 sack season?
Like i said, only Houston, Reese, Wiz and Moore are tradable, and non would be worth trading for what we’d get in return.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:53 am
gg really? a 7th? cmon man…do you know how many 7th rounders even make the teams? TK constantly gets double teamed, takes on 2 blockers…a 7th….nonsense.he was a pro bowl alternate last year…
December 27th, 2012 at 8:54 am
490.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:53 am
gg really? a 7th? cmon man…do you know how many 7th rounders even make the teams? TK constantly gets double teamed, takes on 2 blockers…a 7th….nonsense.he was a pro bowl alternate last year…
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I haven’t seen TK get doubled all year. And if it’s not a clear passing down, he’s getting pushed around like a baby in a stroller.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:56 am
tk contract is what makes him untradeble. he had a career year in 2011. he actually had more sacks than offsides..
December 27th, 2012 at 8:57 am
check again…add to the fact that DA/tarver wants them to stay at the line for rbs and harped on less penalties = less aggressive…id rather have the penalties and wins.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:58 am
492.nycraider Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:56 am
tk contract is what makes him untradeble. he had a career year in 2011. he actually had more sacks than offsides..
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This year it took him 13 games to register a sack. His contract makes him untradable, this season is what will make him unsignable when we release him.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:58 am
whenever jelly kelly wants to turn it on he does…cam pissed him off and cam got hit…a lot.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Al gave a 1st for Seymour at 33+ yo.
Kelly might get you a conditional something, as long as he restructures with new team too.
Remember, Judge is right too, because teams all know and want to build thru the draft. Value for players gets lower as they get older or not stand-out or not QBs.
Andre Carter is a very good player, he was a FA.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:00 am
When Seymour was on the Field, he was the one getting doubled, not kelly who was just wasting the 3 technique spot. Now that Seymour’s out, sure when it’s 5 vs 4, someone’s gotta take the double by default.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:02 am
i will give you this…Al gave these guys big compensation because he thought we were close…but now that reggie is running things we are farther then ever…so if they do dump them, its an admittance of failure…
December 27th, 2012 at 9:03 am
GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Al gave a 1st for Seymour at 33+ yo.
Kelly might get you a conditional something, as long as he restructures with new team too.
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Well Al’s dead, and Hue and McDaniels are not GM’s anymore so those days are long gone.
No teams are willing to trade draft picks for old players anymore.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:04 am
i think its more a sign of how bad the other guys really are if tk and seymour were getting doubled…
December 27th, 2012 at 9:04 am
498.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:02 am
i will give you this…Al gave these guys big compensation because he thought we were close…but now that reggie is running things we are farther then ever…so if they do dump them, its an admittance of failure…
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The 4-11 season is a pretty good admittance of failure, might as well dump them.
Tommy Kelly is a cancer, he needs to be cut.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:05 am
I look at McK kind of the same way as I do Pryor. There simply isn’t enough information yet to make any sound judgements. Drafting always has been and always will be a crap shoot… and he was in cap hell.
I do like Streater, Wheeler, and Burris… but he completely whiffed with Briesel. Lets see how he does this off-season.
His first order of business is forcing Allen to get a real top notch SB-quality OC. His choices are limited because you can’t bring in coaches under contract in moves laterally… so I am thinking a young OC from college that has HCing aspirations. Someone hoping to make a name for himself. Knapp was just a has-been retread that was desperate for one last chance.
For some reason coaches like that never work out with the Raiders.
Fire Knapp. Trade our number three pick down, and pick up a solid FA number one WR, and veteran blue chip FS.
Thats my McKenzie wish list.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:05 am
the problem with our dl is the ends never require a double team..thats how bad they are
December 27th, 2012 at 9:05 am
501…disagree but if he goes ok…dont think we will get a better player unless ge drafts one with a high pick.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:06 am
The_Judge37,
you’re on of my favorite posters. Think you’re one of the more logical guys on here. Funny too.
Disagree with you about Streater. I think that guy will be big time. He needs to iron out some things but I see Rod as our go-to guy.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:06 am
One thing i will give Reggie is that we’ve got real NFL style LB’s. Instead of Al’s stand up Defensive Ends.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:07 am
another thing i dont understand…why is everyone so high on burriss? the guy misses more tackles than he makes….granted at least he is in position to try and make the tackle…
December 27th, 2012 at 9:07 am
we had that guy….thomas howard.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:09 am
you got a point there..grant irons!
December 27th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Gdog Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:05 am
I look at McK kind of the same way as I do Pryor. There simply isn’t enough information yet to make any sound judgements. Drafting always has been and always will be a crap shoot… and he was in cap hell.
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the difference is pryor isnt getting a chance to play..reggie will get 2013 on top off 2012
December 27th, 2012 at 9:09 am
505.LA to TheBay Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:06 am
The_Judge37,
you’re on of my favorite posters. Think you’re one of the more logical guys on here. Funny too.
Disagree with you about Streater. I think that guy will be big time. He needs to iron out some things but I see Rod as our go-to guy.
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I’m not saying he wont be good, I hope he is. But i’m saying is he’s not exactly lighting the league on fire, and we’ve seen this already from guys like Ford, Murphy, etc.. and ever new WR we get that we WANT to fall in love with.
For a UDFA, then yes, Reggie hit big.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:10 am
understood, but he didnt have a negative effect on the colts, didnt dhb have an issue too? i dont think satele would have changed our season significently. the point im trying to make is reggie really hurt us with his bad decision on brisel.
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Satele was a FA, DHB under contract. DHB had a DWI, Satele was flippin out at a mall.
Agree with you though. Massive whiff on Briesel by Reggie. But in his defense (as a contrarian by nature), Briesel graded out pretty well and Houston fans did not want to let hm go.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:10 am
507.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:07 am
another thing i dont understand…why is everyone so high on burriss? the guy misses more tackles than he makes….granted at least he is in position to try and make the tackle…
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He’s a better LB than Wimbley was
December 27th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Rod seems more natural to me than Lou Murphy and more of protypical #1 — certainly more so than Ford. I also think Murph’s attitute factored into his trade.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:07 am
another thing i dont understand…why is everyone so high on burriss? the guy misses more tackles than he makes….granted at least he is in position to try and make the tackle…
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
He is a 4th round rookie with potential.
I also like h because he is an Aztec.
Aztecs for life baby!!
Fear the Spear!!
December 27th, 2012 at 9:12 am
509.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:09 am
you got a point there..grant irons!
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Irons, Tyler Brayton, Quientin Groves, Kam Wimbley, Trevor Scott, all guys who were DE’s but tried to conver to OLB’s. With Kam being the only guy who was a LB and shouldn’ve been strictly an End.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Burris is another guy that will be nice and got invaluable experience. he’s gotta learn to wrap up though. And quit blowing his pass D assignments.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:12 am
lb yeah…miss the pass rush though.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:14 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Rod seems more natural to me than Lou Murphy and more of protypical #1 — certainly more so than Ford. I also think Murph’s attitute factored into his trade.
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#1? really? we havent had a number one since 2005 and streater doesnt look much different from any wrs..in fact dmoore had a better rookie year than streater imo
December 27th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Nycraider Says:
no gm in the nfl is going to trade for dhb
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I don’t know, man. One of them traded for Louis Murphy. GMs will do crazy sh!t.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:15 am
The_Judge37 Says:
Criner is made of glass like Chaz, Both were good at attacking the ball but no speed.
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Chaz was fast.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:16 am
nycraider Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Gdog Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:05 am
I look at McK kind of the same way as I do Pryor. There simply isn’t enough information yet to make any sound judgements. Drafting always has been and always will be a crap shoot… and he was in cap hell.
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the difference is pryor isnt getting a chance to play..reggie will get 2013 on top off 2012
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He plays at least a half this Sunday, IMO. I’m guessing he will make some spectacular plays along with some horrific mistakes. The thing that interests me the most is if Knapp will be smart enough to design an offense that will showcase his running ability.
My guess is he won’t. He will pretend he is another CP, and run the same insipid plays CP had to.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:16 am
our starting wrs should be dhb, moore and ford….the others are backups.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Unfortunately we paid way too much for average talent especially on the lines.
I do think that an immediate impact DT in the draft (would not allow us to trade down) is essential.He will require double teams helping, Kelly, Bryant and Bilikudi by default.
We need to get lucky with our third rounder which needs to be a DE. If that guy can have an immediate PASS RUSH imapact we could have a decent front. We also have to get lucky that we can get a year out of Carter at 33.
The fact is that the standard of excellence in our division is Peyton.
The best defense with him is keep him off the field.
The next best is really harrass him in the pocket.
I have no immediate solution for Barnes at RT and I am HOPING Bergstrom can replace Carlisle.
I am skeptical of any meaningful FA help.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:16 am
I disagree. Streater has a big body, uses it well to shield ball form defenders, can make the catch at the highest point, can jump like a dang panther, and is pretty hungry.
Makes plays when targeted.
He’s certainly not there yet. Just putting my scouting cap on I suppose. Looking at his ‘ceiling.’
December 27th, 2012 at 9:18 am
He plays at least a half this Sunday, IMO. I’m guessing he will make some spectacular plays along with some horrific mistakes. The thing that interests me the most is if Knapp will be smart enough to design an offense that will showcase his running ability.
My guess is he won’t. He will pretend he is another CP, and run the same insipid plays CP had to.
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Indeed, except the Boots and roll-outs work well for Pryor. He seems to consistently shed the first defender, and he’s always good for a good juke to make somebody fall down. I think those serve him better than designed runs IMO
December 27th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Chaz was fast and also a great downfield blocker. Streater is the worst blocker I have ever seen at WR… and it makes me wonder if they even work on it in practice.
The attention to details like that is something this offense is sorely missing in comparison to Hue’s club, IMO.
The TE’s and WR’s run blocking were night and day difference.
Its why we are nearly last in the NFL in running.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:20 am
exactly what i was about to say…these guys need to learn how to block…dhb still does why wont these guys?
December 27th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Makes plays when targeted.
He’s certainly not there yet. Just putting my scouting cap on I suppose. Looking at his ‘ceiling.’
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For sure man. Once he gets more comfortable, we should see him braking off routes, and figuring out the soft spots. Like you said, he’s not there yet but, he does show that he’s got potential to rise.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:22 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:16 am
I disagree. Streater has a big body, uses it well to shield ball form defenders, can make the catch at the highest point, can jump like a dang panther, and is pretty hungry.
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Agreed.
He needs to learn how to block more than anything. I don’t think Knapp works on things like that.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:23 am
The TE’s and WR’s run blocking were night and day difference.
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One thing I can say about old Kevin Boss……Underutilized? YES…But that boy could block. He’d crash the DE into the tackle and open a huge lane. He Sprung DMAC for that big run against the Jets last year.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Streater is 10th in catches among rookie WRs. He has 30+ catches and 4 TDs. Not bad for an URFA
December 27th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:20 am
exactly what i was about to say…these guys need to learn how to block…dhb still does why wont these guys?
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Agreed. DHB is our only WR that even bothers to block.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:25 am
theghostronin79 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:23 am
The TE’s and WR’s run blocking were night and day difference.
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One thing I can say about old Kevin Boss……Underutilized? YES…But that boy could block. He’d crash the DE into the tackle and open a huge lane. He Sprung DMAC for that big run against the Jets last year.
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Yup.. he sure did! I think he got IRed with the Chiefs this season… I wonder if we can get him back??
December 27th, 2012 at 9:25 am
a lot of dmcs runs last year were extended because of downfield blocking…
December 27th, 2012 at 9:26 am
a lot of dmcs runs last year were extended because of downfield blocking…
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WORD
December 27th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:20 am
exactly what i was about to say…these guys need to learn how to block…dhb still does why wont these guys?
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In a pass happy offense full of rookie WR’s and incompetent coaches, it’s expected. DHB’s teams had an identity that the WR’s bought into.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:32 am
where the heck is crawford?
December 27th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Hopefully we will hear news of Knapp’s firing Monday the 31st…
This team needs to strike quickly and bring in a real OC.
for the love of God, make this happen.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:36 am
where the heck is crawford?
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Supposedly he had like a sore TOE or some something. I think what most of us try to figure out is “WHO” is being Dog Housed….and “WHO” isn’t being utilized properly.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Kevin Boss: I wonder if we can get him back??
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Doubt it, he was IRed for the Chiefs for concussions…had problems on the Giants and Raiders for Concussions. Poor guy might be done.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:37 am
all his tweets are about basketball…great pick reggie…
December 27th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Bilukidi seems decent though. Good size, faster than he looks like he should be. He could turn into something nice for us.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:25 am
a lot of dmcs runs last year were extended because of downfield blocking…
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Almost all started out in the middle and cut through a hole left which was caused by second level blocking.
The really long runs had the WRs taking out the CBs and safeties.
I’d bet a gazillion dollars Knapp hasn’t worked on this in practice.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:42 am
From PFT:
“The Bucs haven’t been the same team since they nearly beat the Falcons in Tampa…”
Odd parallels; we haven’t been the same team since we nearly beat the Bucs, and some people would say we played our best game against the Falcons. Perhaps there’s a chained curse of some kind?
My personal low point for the season was losing to the Browns. I know they played everyone tough this season, but we were never even in the game!
December 27th, 2012 at 9:47 am
havent been impressed by bilukidi…
December 27th, 2012 at 9:50 am
He needs to learn how to block more than anything. I don’t think Knapp works on things like that.
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Of course Knapp doesnt, why do WRs need to block downfield when the passing game is comprised of 3-yard outs…lol
December 27th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Carson Palmer and Tommy Kelly’s birthdays today!
December 27th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Cant believe i just had to wade through all those post by Mctroll20 talking about how last years team sucked, this years d is backing DA, yadda yadda yadda. News flash DA is still on the Bronco payroll.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:52 am
448.nycraider Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:01 am
just cant understand what reggie had done to earn anyone’s confidence. yes he deserves a draft, yes he came into a difficult position, but his moves have mostly been poor. i hope it was a rookie gm thing, but time will tell.2012 the year of the excuse 2013 no excuses..
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“Rookie GM thing”?
Here’s what the other “Rookie GM’s” did in their first yr. THIS yr.:
-Ryan Grigson Indy: 10-5
-Phil Emery Chi. : 9-6
-Rick Spielman Minn.: 9-6
-Brandon Beane Carolina: 5-4 (took over for fired gm marty hurney)
-Les Snead St. Louis 7-7-1 (taking over 2-14 team)
-Reggie McKenzie Oak. 4-11
December 27th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Good Post Dj Johnny Football #550
TRUTH
December 27th, 2012 at 9:54 am
2-14 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Why in the F would Jennings or Bowe want to play in this schitt scheme? 3 yd out, screen, 4 yd hitch, repeat… this will be the offense next year even if Knapp is fired. DA will vanilla the hell out of any offense because it fits his milk toast vision of a football team. What a disgrace this guy is to a once proud franchise.
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Post of the day.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Is it possible that Knapp spent so much time teaching the ZBS to his linemen, that he forgot to teach anyone what to do if the ZBS actually worked?
You know, gawd forbid if a RB got past the first level?
December 27th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Mumbles and the joker will stick with a similir systm, even if they run knapp, which i doubt.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:55 am
It’s not too fair to expect much from late round guys like Bilukidi and Crawford. But at least they’re being shown patience and being developed unlike guys like Barksdale and Bruce Campbell.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Knapp should have spent time letting A. Saunders run the offense.
napp scheme is schit, and so is he…F in 2 faced liar.
Yeah lets wait another 3 years until the org figurws it…
F that….Mumbles correct it.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:57 am
553.Gdog Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Is it possible that Knapp spent so much time teaching the ZBS to his linemen, that he forgot to teach anyone what to do if the ZBS actually worked?
You know, gawd forbid if a RB got past the first level?
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Everyone of our Linemen with the exception of Wiz, has some experience with the ZBS. It’s just bad coaching all around
December 27th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Thec…welcome back!
December 27th, 2012 at 9:58 am
these fuks took over an 8-8 squad and proceeded to gut it to 4-12….
Yeah nation it takes time, we were cap strapped…GTFOH
December 27th, 2012 at 9:58 am
551,
Thanks. I’m just showing actual statistics.
I know some of these excuses are valid, i’m just getting sick of hearing them.
“We can’t do this cuz of that, or that cuz of this” and no team has ever had the difficulites Reggie had in the history of sports, etc. etc. etc.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:59 am
both AFC TEs are injured.
Brandon Myers?
I think all Oakland O players should get a little asterisk during voting that says “these stats came in spite of playing for Greg Knapp.”
December 27th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Hwnrdr, whats good brother….
I took a hiatus from this blog.
1000% naturally and organically pizzed off at the org.
We have a bunch of comic book characters running the shop.
Reg = Mumbles
DA = The Joker
Knapp = 2 face
December 27th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Reggie came into this thing trying to undue everything Al ever did. That’s why he hired a quote-unquote “defensive” minded head coach.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:03 am
fuk reggie mumbles…He is a svhitty gm…
Mr. Davis 10000% > mumbles
December 27th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Thec Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Hwnrdr, whats good brother….
I took a hiatus from this blog.
1000% naturally and organically pizzed off at the org.
We have a bunch of comic book characters running the shop.
Reg = Mumbles
DA = The Joker
Knapp = 2 face
All good bro! Fire Sale next week? Probably not huh?
December 27th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Math wizards in here thinking EVERY team is supposed to improve their record every year.
Disregard roster talent, FA lost, lack of draft picks, Manning showing up next door, brutal schedule…
December 27th, 2012 at 10:05 am
everyone knocking on DA…this team had a ton of problems.
DA was the ONLY coach who was able to address the discipline issues and the defensive struggles. he did both.
one could argue that he did both by telling Slolando to kick rocks.
remember, neither Reggie nor DA picked Slolando. he was inherited, and he was managed properly imho.
Hue didn’t care about Slolando, because he knew he could blame all of the defensive problems on Chucky B…even though a head coach is supposed to be responsible for BOTH sides of the football…which is one of many reasons why he did not deserve to stick around.
i think we can all agree that Knapp needs to be gone by Monday morning though.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:06 am
DA knows schit about the offense and yet he trust the evals of Knapp????
Who would trise that slimey 2 faced liar with anything?
I can find 50 Semi’s on this blog that could do a better job than nap. f him and DA
December 27th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Didnt Al say he was grooming someone a couple years back? Who was that?
December 27th, 2012 at 10:06 am
566.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Math wizards in here thinking EVERY team is supposed to improve their record every year.
Disregard roster talent, FA lost, lack of draft picks, Manning showing up next door, brutal schedule…
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Blaming the schedule is a new one, if there’s one thing this team doesn’t lack, it’s excuses.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:08 am
DJ, thanks fro the list that shows the improvement of teams with a new GM. Says alot about what we have.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Whoknows Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Didnt Al say he was grooming someone a couple years back? Who was that?
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The Tribune speculated that it was Art Shell.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:08 am
tonedeezy Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:05 am
everyone knocking on DA…this team had a ton of problems.
DA was the ONLY coach who was able to address the discipline issues and the defensive struggles. he did both.
one could argue that he did both by telling Slolando to kick rocks.
remember, neither Reggie nor DA picked Slolando. he was inherited, and he was managed properly imho.
Hue didn’t care about Slolando, because he knew he could blame all of the defensive problems on Chucky B…even though a head coach is supposed to be responsible for BOTH sides of the football…which is one of many reasons why he did not deserve to stick around.
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Well Hue didn’t pick Rolando either. We still have plenty of Dicipline issues that show up. But part of solving that problem was Al, who let player do what ever they wanted.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Blaming the schedule is a new one, if there’s one thing this team doesn’t lack, it’s excuses.
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Wonder what the drag will be Next year when we go go 5-11???
December 27th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Maybe even dimwtted Slolondo figured out DA was a fraud. This d is worse than last years who had bresnahan btw.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:10 am
2013 4-12
2014 5-11
2015 6-19
Baby steps “math wizards” baby steps.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:10 am
574.Thec Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Blaming the schedule is a new one, if there’s one thing this team doesn’t lack, it’s excuses.
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Wonder what the drag will be Next year when we go go 5-11???
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Depending on if we win this week, it’ll be that we didn’t regress anymore. If we lose, then 5-11 will be improvement enough for one more year
December 27th, 2012 at 10:11 am
DJ
Does it matter that those GM’s had multiple and high first round picks and Pro Bowl rosters?
They didn’t take over teams that had blown EVERY 1st round pick for 7 straight seasons. Kinda matters Urlacher vs Rolando, Luck vs DHB.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Reall Art Shell? Lol. Im laughing because he might have been a better choice of gm. Wow
December 27th, 2012 at 10:12 am
mcxcuse20/DAV post nothing but bs…why even bother to read their posts…hey alex hows that zone defense working? its not? couldnt be because thrlast three weeks theyve switched to man could it?
December 27th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Excuses for lousy play;
2013 = Talent, coaches, new gm, scheme, schdule etc.
2014 = insert excuses here
2014 = Insert excuses here
December 27th, 2012 at 10:14 am
art shell hands down would be better than mumbles…
December 27th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Lol. The SCHEDULE is what made Vegas and guys like me downgrade the Raiders expected wins this year.
Old news. Vs Manning twice, Brees, Matt Ryan, at Miami, at Cincy = auto losses since August.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:15 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:08 am
tonedeezy Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:05 am
everyone knocking on DA…this team had a ton of problems.
DA was the ONLY coach who was able to address the discipline issues and the defensive struggles. he did both.
one could argue that he did both by telling Slolando to kick rocks.
remember, neither Reggie nor DA picked Slolando. he was inherited, and he was managed properly imho.
Hue didn’t care about Slolando, because he knew he could blame all of the defensive problems on Chucky B…even though a head coach is supposed to be responsible for BOTH sides of the football…which is one of many reasons why he did not deserve to stick around.
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Well Hue didn’t pick Rolando either. We still have plenty of Dicipline issues that show up. But part of solving that problem was Al, who let player do what ever they wanted.
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Right, and I think DA and Reggie deserve credit for changing that.
I would’ve liked to have seen some productivity on offense and special teams as well, but at least the culture is changing, and I think that was the biggest hole we were in….no disrespect to Coach Davis.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Al
That zone D has given us our best defensive month since 2002.
Love it.
No more having to pay man specialists like Nnamdi 10 mill a year to still have terrible D.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:16 am
I really want to believe in Reggie, but mostly because i really can’t think of a better replacement. So i’d like to see what he can do with player scouting, even though he’s off to a terrible start. His coaches however havn’t done anything to warrant patience, and anyone would be an improvement over them.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:17 am
first year of ten and then….followed by nine and whine….
December 27th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Here’s what the other “Rookie GM’s” did in their first yr. THIS yr.:
-Ryan Grigson Indy:2-14 to 10-5
-Phil Emery Chi. :8-8 to 9-6
-Rick Spielman Minn.:3-13 to 9-6
-Brandon Beane Carolina:6-10 and 1-5 to 5-4 (took over for fired gm marty hurney)
-Les Snead St. Louis 7-7-1 (taking over 2-14 team)
-Reggie McKenzie Oak.8-8 to 4-11
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I realize when Spielman took over the 3-13 Vikings that he did not have ANY issues to deal with such as talent etc. They were just a powder keg waiting for Spielman to enter the building and magically went from 3-13 to 9-6.
Ryan Grigson at INDY got “Lucky” with Luck and that turned a 2-14 team into a 10-5 club, and Les Snead at St. Louis had the perfect situation fall into his lap when Jeff Fisher begged him to come coach the team to turn around their 2-14 squad.
None of these guys had any issues to deal with whatsoever, but when Reggie inherited this 8-8 “diaster” he was the GM who was truly up against it.
Worst situation in the history of organized sports. I mean, to take over an org. that was 8-8 for two consecutive seasons……and to have to deal with a salary cap situation? He must be the first GM in history to have to let a few players go and have to be creative in replacing them. I know it’s his job and all but my goodness…this ‘unmitigated diaster’ never before seen by any sports organization…EVER was the worst thing ever to happen to a 1st yr. GM.
10 and then…
December 27th, 2012 at 10:18 am
i’m okay with Tarver.
he undressed a pretty good offense this weekend.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:18 am
try watching the game alex…its man.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:19 am
583.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Lol. The SCHEDULE is what made Vegas and guys like me downgrade the Raiders expected wins this year.
Old news. Vs Manning twice, Brees, Matt Ryan, at Miami, at Cincy = auto losses since August.
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You forgot having to come home to Face the Browns. Damm you Goodell!!!
December 27th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Thec
the problem has been exactly the same since 2003:
lack of quarterback talent,
lack of roster talent.
Thank Al for that. Once gm Bruce Allen left…
December 27th, 2012 at 10:20 am
589.tonedeezy Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:18 am
i’m okay with Tarver.
he undressed a pretty good offense this weekend.
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Panthers are a one man offense, but i do give him credit for stopping that one man.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Alex7, do you work for the org?
December 27th, 2012 at 10:21 am
8-8
8-8
4-12 wtf?
December 27th, 2012 at 10:21 am
And regarding the Schedule, sure we play Billboard Head twice, but if we werent in the same division as the Chiefs, we’d be 2-13 right now
December 27th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Judge
Browns didn’t blow last few 1st round picks and now have a better roster than us.
You didn’t know this?
Joe Thomas, Trent Richardson, Josh Gordon
December 27th, 2012 at 10:22 am
alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Thec
the problem has been exactly the same since 2003:
lack of quarterback talent,
lack of roster talent.
Thank Al for that. Once gm Bruce Allen left…
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You must be responsible for blog spin control.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Hwnrdr Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:45 am
For you guys that watch Notre dame play this year…is it only because of their D Line that Te’o has looked good? I mean why was he a finalist for the Heisman? Just asking…
But yes, we need to protect the QB, whoever that may be next year, and be able to run block.
Knapp, sorry, will have to be replaced, or none of that will matter!
On D, if not Te’o, get a good pass rusher in here because that went out the door this year!
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no, in fact the opposite, as strange as that may sound. i’ve watched him play every game for 4 years. he is a MAJOR part of why they are not only the best defense notre dame has ever had, but how they got that way. his leadership can not be overstated. he is a great run stopper, with quick reactions, aggressiveness, instincts. he worked hard on becoming a better pass defnder and has 7 picks this season, some of which were fantastic diving catches. he is the type of dude who elevates everyone’s play thru his leadership.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:21 am
8-8
8-8
4-12 wtf?
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Org went into full on rebuild, hue was right, reg is going to “gut” the place…Mission accomplished.
Next year with a 3rd place schdule we go 5-11
December 27th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Thec
I’m just able to count blown 1st round draft picks and zero pro bowl talent + manning and NFC south = crummy season.
Said so since August.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:26 am
597.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Judge
Browns didn’t blow last few 1st round picks and now have a better roster than us.
You didn’t know this?
Joe Thomas, Trent Richardson, Josh Gordon
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Are you serious? Why do you think the Browns are where they are still? Of course they’ve blown Draft picks, that’s what they do. Last year you could just as easily match those 3 with DMC, Moore, Wiz. Not this year because DA and Co. not just wrecked em, damm near killed em.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:27 am
alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Thec
I’m just able to count blown 1st round draft picks and zero pro bowl talent + manning and NFC south = crummy season.
Said so since August
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You left out DA and knapp
December 27th, 2012 at 10:28 am
I am out guys, another year without going to the tournament,
10 and then
December 27th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Atlanta is the only elite team in the NFC south. After that they’re all just as Mediocre as we were last season, only difference is that we regressed.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Notice how no one can refute such a simple unemotional rational truth:
the problem has been exactly the same since 2003:
lack of quarterback talent,
lack of roster talent.
Thank Al for that. Once gm Bruce Allen left…
December 27th, 2012 at 10:29 am
i wonder how mumbles orders in the drive thru? “I will have sdsgdfsd huh adsdadsdd a #1 nah my gut says nnmnnjnbvcbnb with a diet fjfgghfbcb…” then changes it at the window…
December 27th, 2012 at 10:30 am
DA and Tarver’s defense is looking dammm good.
Just like Al and Cable’s shhyyttyy team needed a decent OC, all next year’s team needs is a Krapp replacement.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:32 am
@alex7
Thoughts on McFadden?
December 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am
dr_robert Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Hwnrdr Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:45 am
For you guys that watch Notre dame play this year…is it only because of their D Line that Te’o has looked good? I mean why was he a finalist for the Heisman? Just asking…
But yes, we need to protect the QB, whoever that may be next year, and be able to run block.
Knapp, sorry, will have to be replaced, or none of that will matter!
On D, if not Te’o, get a good pass rusher in here because that went out the door this year!
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no, in fact the opposite, as strange as that may sound. i’ve watched him play every game for 4 years. he is a MAJOR part of why they are not only the best defense notre dame has ever had, but how they got that way. his leadership can not be overstated. he is a great run stopper, with quick reactions, aggressiveness, instincts. he worked hard on becoming a better pass defnder and has 7 picks this season, some of which were fantastic diving catches. he is the type of dude who elevates everyone’s play thru his leadership.
Thanks! Like I said, maybe I am biased on this but I want Te’o is S&B next year!
December 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Forget outlawing guns……Just raise the price of ammo.
I remember one comedian said, “you won’t have any random killings then. If ammo costs more than the guns, a person would have to be 1000% percent sure that they really want a person dead. Otherwise it would just be too expensive to kill someone with a gun…”
It was a joke obviously, but it seems to actually have some merit.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:34 am
608.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:30 am
DA and Tarver’s defense is looking dammm good.
Just like Al and Cable’s shhyyttyy team needed a decent OC, all next year’s team needs is a Krapp replacement.
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You realize this is the worst ranked Defense in the last 10 years right?
Also can’t just blame knapp when it’s these guys who brought him in. It’s not like he was an AL DAvis hold over.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Wow Judge. Saints and bucs roster similar to ours?
Lol. Wow.
Where’s my brees, Vincent Jackson, Colston, Doug Martin, Steve Hutchinson, Nicks at guard, Lance Moore, Sproles, Gerald McCoy, bama safety and top run D?
December 27th, 2012 at 10:34 am
the problem has been exactly the same since 2003:
lack of quarterback talent,
lack of roster talent.
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McKenzie didn’t bring in Palmer.
Palmer threw 3 games away by himself with ridiculous INTs.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:35 am
611.ArmChair GM Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Forget outlawing guns……Just raise the price of ammo.
I remember one comedian said, “you won’t have any random killings then. If ammo costs more than the guns, a person would have to be 1000% percent sure that they really want a person dead. Otherwise it would just be too expensive to kill someone with a gun…”
It was a joke obviously, but it seems to actually have some merit.
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I’m all for that, then i could make some extra cash on reloading. Plus no one would be anygood of a shot since it’d be expensive to practice.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Dutch
McFadden. Needed power system but even then too fragile.
Top NFL talent when healthy and in right system.
Would keep him as 1-2 punch at reduced price.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Palmer threw 3 games away by himself with ridiculous INTs.
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Werent we behind in those games and trying to come from behind?
December 27th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Except the ATL game
December 27th, 2012 at 10:40 am
613.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Wow Judge. Saints and bucs roster similar to ours?
Lol. Wow.
Where’s my brees, Vincent Jackson, Colston, Doug Martin, Steve Hutchinson, Nicks at guard, Lance Moore, Sproles, Gerald McCoy, bama safety and top run D?
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Well Fk, if you’re just going to pile the best of the best from 3 teams vs our squad, then yes they’re better than us.
Pile them onto one team and they might have better than 7-8 & 6-9 records.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:40 am
ok, so it can be said he threw one game away with a bad int?
December 27th, 2012 at 10:41 am
You realize this is the worst ranked Defense in the last 10 years right?
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All I know is the defense has been playing well in my eyes LATELY. Since the Denver game, actually.
Shut out KC.
Pretty much shut down Kim’s team.
ANY support from the offense and it would be a lot better.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:41 am
620.poprox13 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:40 am
ok, so it can be said he threw one game away with a bad int?
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Which game would that be?
December 27th, 2012 at 10:42 am
611.ArmChair GM Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Forget outlawing guns……Just raise the price of ammo.
I remember one comedian said, “you won’t have any random killings then. If ammo costs more than the guns, a person would have to be 1000% percent sure that they really want a person dead. Otherwise it would just be too expensive to kill someone with a gun…”
It was a joke obviously, but it seems to actually have some merit.
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Chris Rock!
All bullets should cost 5000!
“I’d pop a cap in yo a$$…. if I could afford it. I’m gonna save up….. you better hope I don’t put some bullets on layaway!”
December 27th, 2012 at 10:43 am
poprox13 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:40 am
ok, so it can be said he threw one game away with a bad int?
Yes but actually…he did bring them back right after and tied it, so was that him (of course an argument for it would have never happpen if can be made) or was it the D for letting them get close for Matt Bryant to kick the game winner?
December 27th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Which game would that be?
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Atlanta
December 27th, 2012 at 10:43 am
621.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:41 am
You realize this is the worst ranked Defense in the last 10 years right?
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All I know is the defense has been playing well in my eyes LATELY. Since the Denver game, actually.
Shut out KC.
Pretty much shut down Kim’s team.
ANY support from the offense and it would be a lot better.
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KC shuts out KC on a weekly basis. Dever game we let Slowshon Moreno burn us for 100+ rushing yards.
They played well against Carolina’s one man show, i’ll give them that one.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:43 am
J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:34 am
the problem has been exactly the same since 2003:
lack of quarterback talent,
lack of roster talent.
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McKenzie didn’t bring in Palmer.
Palmer threw 3 games away by himself with ridiculous INTs.
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THIS again? Are you trolling? Without CP we wouldn’t have been in any of those games, and without CP we would have been BLOWN OUT by Pitts.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Also can’t just blame knapp when it’s these guys who brought him in.
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Knapp was like the 4th choice.
Yes, the HC gets blame for the hire. He’ll fire Knapp this offseason.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:43 am
poprox13 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:40 am
ok, so it can be said he threw one game away with a bad int?
Yes but actually…he did bring them back right after and tied it, so was that him (of course an argument for it would have never happpen if can be made) or was it the D for letting them get close for Matt Bryant to kick the game winner?
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Penalties hurt too, so it wasnt all on Palmer
December 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am
625.poprox13 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Which game would that be?
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Atlanta
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Oh yeah.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:45 am
THIS again? Are you trolling? Without CP we wouldn’t have been in any of those games, and without CP we would have been BLOWN OUT by Pitts.
^^ THIS
December 27th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Judge
We have NO ONE that can touch the best of EITHER of those teams.
Heck, its the title of the whole dang column.
Reggie has 3 years to produce talented roster. Hasn’t had a single full off season yet with 1st round picks and FA moola.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:45 am
J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Also can’t just blame knapp when it’s these guys who brought him in.
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Knapp was like the 4th choice.
Yes, the HC gets blame for the hire. He’ll fire Knapp this offseason
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Settling is no excuse. If he had no choice, then why not just keep Saunders in place and have some contiuity with the Offense?
December 27th, 2012 at 10:47 am
The bad thing is we looked the best in a loss in Atlanta…Carolina game, I’m gonna go with…if Palmer does not get knocked out of the game…would we have won it? Or are you guys gonna say that Palmer would have thrown the pic anyways…think about that one for a moment!
December 27th, 2012 at 10:49 am
And I think our D plays a lot better without Slowlando in there…
December 27th, 2012 at 10:49 am
why not just keep Saunders in place and have some contiuity with the Offense?
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Who knows, man?
We can speculate all day.
I’m pretty sure the owner fired Hue so all the rest doesn’t matter. The owner, Madden, and Wolf set all this up.
I’m still a Raider fan, so I’ have no choice but to roll with it.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:50 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:47 am
The bad thing is we looked the best in a loss in Atlanta…Carolina game, I’m gonna go with…if Palmer does not get knocked out of the game…would we have won it? Or are you guys gonna say that Palmer would have thrown the pic anyways…think about that one for a moment!
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If Palmer didnt get hurt we would have had a chance to win the game. Of course if it came down to the fourth down play and Palmer tried to force a throw in instead of tossing it out of bounds like Leinart did and it resulted in an int, somebody would come in here saying its Palmers int that lost the game.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:50 am
some of palmer’s INTs were a direct result of fatigue. i think he threw 54 passes in one game…maybe the browns game?…and that game ended because of an INT.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:51 am
it was his only INT in that game…after 50+ passes.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Judge
You are aware that quality coordinators wouldn’t come here with Al right?
Chuck Pagano literally laughed at our open DC spot last year.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:51 am
yeah that is true!
December 27th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Or are you guys gonna say that Palmer would have thrown the pic anyways
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LOL
Who knows.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:52 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:49 am
And I think our D plays a lot better without Slowlando in there…
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we gave up home runs right up the gut to 5 or 6 teams in a row, then Slolando gets benched, and we are suddenly able to stop trent richardson and everybody since.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am
636.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:49 am
why not just keep Saunders in place and have some contiuity with the Offense?
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Who knows, man?
We can speculate all day.
I’m pretty sure the owner fired Hue so all the rest doesn’t matter. The owner, Madden, and Wolf set all this up.
I’m still a Raider fan, so I’ have no choice but to roll with it.
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Why give these guys a pass then just because they didn’t get everything perfectly the way they wanted it? We had no problem criticising davis all these years so why does Reggie and his bum picks and signings get a pass?
Not saying to jump ship, just that the standards shouldn’t be lowered
December 27th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Point I’m trying to make is that we get to see Leinhart play…wasn’t it just disgusting?…
With the unknown that Pryor is, and yes, CP# thrown INTs at crazy times, but he WAS our best option to win games this year!
December 27th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Reggie came into this thing trying to undue everything Al ever did. That’s why he hired a quote-unquote “defensive” minded head coach.
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I wonder if Mark has anything to do with this.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Judge
You are aware that quality coordinators wouldn’t come here with Al right?
Chuck Pagano literally laughed at our open DC spot last year.
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Well looky here, Cross postimg Alex coward posting under his own name…….wow.
Whatup Bootlicker?
December 27th, 2012 at 10:55 am
640.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Judge
You are aware that quality coordinators wouldn’t come here with Al right?
Chuck Pagano literally laughed at our open DC spot last year.
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What does that have to do with anything this year? Stop blaming a guy who’s been dead for over a year
December 27th, 2012 at 10:56 am
tonedeezy Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:52 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:49 am
And I think our D plays a lot better without Slowlando in there…
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we gave up home runs right up the gut to 5 or 6 teams in a row, then Slolando gets benched, and we are suddenly able to stop trent richardson and everybody since.
And remember we had two long runs called back because of holding….didn’t Angelo Williams have a 74 yard td run called back last week…
December 27th, 2012 at 10:56 am
tonedeezy Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:52 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:49 am
And I think our D plays a lot better without Slowlando in there…
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we gave up home runs right up the gut to 5 or 6 teams in a row, then Slolando gets benched, and we are suddenly able to stop trent richardson and everybody since.
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It took 5-6 games for our coaches to see what the issue was. Again, their talent evaluation is completely suspect and completely lacking.
It has plagued us for years now. After Tarver and KNapp are fired the first money they need to spend is a top notch talent evaluater and make sure our Draft Picks and Free Agents are worth the money.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:56 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Point I’m trying to make is that we get to see Leinhart play…wasn’t it just disgusting?…
With the unknown that Pryor is, and yes, CP# thrown INTs at crazy times, but he WAS our best option to win games this year!
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I was hoping Leinhart would turn things around and play well but after seeing him on Sunday I dont care to see him on the field again.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Palmer is probably our best player.
But some of you cats acting like he can’t play any better is absolutely hilarious.
Palmer threw game end KILLER INTs this year. PERIOD!
Just like Barnes false starts, Veldheer holds, and D Less runs phucced up routes.
EVRYONE can play better!
December 27th, 2012 at 11:00 am
652.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Palmer is probably our best player.
But some of you cats acting like he can’t play any better is absolutely hilarious.
Palmer threw game end KILLER INTs this year. PERIOD!
Just like Barnes false starts, Veldheer holds, and D Less runs phucced up routes.
EVRYONE can play better!
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Fire Knapp?
Never thought we would have to rely on Palmer’s arm to win games..
December 27th, 2012 at 11:00 am
yes, he can play better. Would help if he had better protection, better running game, wasnt trying to come from behind all the time, like it was said before didnt have to throw 50+ times and had receivers that could catch the ball, how many int’s came off a receivers hands?
December 27th, 2012 at 11:01 am
McKenzie didn’t bring in Palmer.
Palmer threw 3 games away by himself with ridiculous INTs.
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Palmer = back to the couch
December 27th, 2012 at 11:03 am
We had no problem criticising davis all these years so why does Reggie and his bum picks and signings get a pass?
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What do you mean by giving them a pass?
I think the OC hire ended up being one of the worst ever. Right up there with the bed and breakfast that AL DAVIS put on the field.
I’m not in to the Al Davis vs McKenzie thing. Al Davis was one of a kind. Can’t be replaced.
McKenzie has made some nice moves AND some questionable ones, imo. I like how the defense is shaping up. I like Streater, Criner, Bilikudi, Burris, Adams, Ross, and some of the other young guys McKenzie has brought in.
The ONLY problem I see is the Krapp hire.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Also, McFadden has incredible hands, why haven’t we seen McFadden motioned into the slot?
Either throw him the ball or use it as a decoy to run the ball with Reece.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:04 am
655.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:01 am
McKenzie didn’t bring in Palmer.
Palmer threw 3 games away by himself with ridiculous INTs.
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Palmer = back to the couch
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We wouldn’t have been in either game with out him. Carson Palmer didn’t let Brandon Weeden throw for 350+ yards. Carson Palmer didnt call the Vaunted Prevent Defense vs Atlanta, He didn’t wasn’t blocking for Martin on Tampa’s back breaking runs
December 27th, 2012 at 11:06 am
No Raiders in the pro bowl? SHOCKING!
Our coaching staff will probably be there….looking for jobs….
December 27th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Judge
I’ll spell it out:
because respected quality coaches wouldn’t come to Oakland under Davis, we constantly have to find random first year or failed coaches at every important spot and hope that it works out.
Reggie didnt have the luxury of bringing in a Shanahan, Fisher, or Pagano to help turn the team around. We need a few years just to wash off the stench of our former ways.
To think that our situation should be evaluated the same as everyone else is is ridiculous.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:11 am
@alex7
Any thoughts on potential replacements for our coordinators, i.e, current head coaches who will probably get fired?
December 27th, 2012 at 11:13 am
lmao….remember tarvers zone defense with the corners fifteen yards off the wrs….
December 27th, 2012 at 11:13 am
J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Palmer is probably our best player.
But some of you cats acting like he can’t play any better is absolutely hilarious.
Palmer threw game end KILLER INTs this year. PERIOD!
Just like Barnes false starts, Veldheer holds, and D Less runs phucced up routes.
EVRYONE can play better!
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Ok, this is more reasonable. Saying the interceptions cost us three games is not. Why? Because if not for Palmer we wouldn’t have been in the games in the first place!
Palmer never will be a Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, or Brady, that can carry a team on his back. I look at him more as an Eli. He can do well when the team around him is playing great. He could prolly get hot in the playoffs some day like Eli does. But he is not the guy to carry a team.
Thats why we need a real SB-quality OC, and upgrades on the line and WR quickly.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Ron Rivera will probably be looking for a job next year…..I wouldn’t mind seeing Ron and Norv as our DC and OC respectively….with Tits’ permission of course.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:15 am
we gave up home runs right up the gut to 5 or 6 teams in a row, then Slolando gets benched, and we are suddenly able to stop trent richardson and everybody since.
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55 got benched coming out of the bye week.
Wasn’t on the field for most of the Tampa game.
Wasn’t on the field for Knowshon Moreno’s record day either.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Seabass deserves to be there, but such is life when you play for such a sorry ass team.
Should just trade McFadden, Palmer, and Seabass while Reggie works on his 10 year rebuild.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Would help if he had better protection, better running game, wasnt trying to come from behind all the time, like it was said before didnt have to throw 50+ times and had receivers that could catch the ball, how many int’s came off a receivers hands?
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Are we talking about Jamarcus Russell here or an Elite QB?
December 27th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Are we talking about Jamarcus Russell here or an Elite QB?
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not talking Jamarcus, he would still suck
December 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Judge
I’ll spell it out:
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Not posting as me today btch? Maybe later? Lol.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am
This is the first year since 2003 that the Raiders didn’t have at least one player selected.
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Reggie didn’t fire enough of the scouts when he joined the Raiders. He should have fired the lot of them.
What was Al paying those guys for?
December 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am
alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Judge
I’ll spell it out:
because respected quality coaches wouldn’t come to Oakland under Davis, we constantly have to find random first year or failed coaches at every important spot and hope that it works out.
Reggie didnt have the luxury of bringing in a Shanahan, Fisher, or Pagano to help turn the team around. We need a few years just to wash off the stench of our former ways.
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So because Al Davis, who’s been dead for over a year, couldn’t bring in veteran coaches, Reggie McKenzie, who’s NOT Al Davis, can’t bring in veteran coaches because….? Yea you lost me.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Atlanta is the only elite team in the NFC south.
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We had Atlanta beat until our elite OC couldnt realize all he had to do was run the f-ing clock out… Whats he do? Throws on just about every f-ing down!! Run the ball, run the clock out and win.. Instead, ol Krapp has to pass, pass, pass and when Palmer is put into those situations with the game on the line, what happens? Either an INT or we’re punting! The Atlanta loss was a cluster f@ck that can be blamed on Knapp and Palmer…
December 27th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Never thought we would have to rely on Palmer’s arm to win games..
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Wassup Dutchman!!!
With what we gave up to get Palmer, I absolutely thought he should be able to win games for us.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:23 am
670.Kiwi_Blade Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am
This is the first year since 2003 that the Raiders didn’t have at least one player selected.
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Reggie didn’t fire enough of the scouts when he joined the Raiders. He should have fired the lot of them.
What was Al paying those guys for?
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To youtube him some highlights
December 27th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Yes Judge
you are lost if you don’t realize it’s taken more than a year for quality veteran coaches to put Oakland as a possible work place.
Also, remember these guys were hired 10 months ago.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Palmer is not the problem….he is not perfect, but he is still the best Qb we have had here since Gannon, and the second best since the 1980s.
He is no longer a great QB, I think that ended the day he was hit low in the playoffs, but he can still win for us. He just needs a run game, good protection from the o-line, and WRs who don’t let the ball bounce off of them so much. He also needs a defense that will not turn every one of his turnovers into TDs.
I think much of that can be corrected with coaching changes. Add 1 legit WR, keep the young WRs we already have, add a young RB with some size, keep McFadden, move Wiz back to guard and get a center.
New OC, o-line coach and some roster tweaks and this offense can win.
On the defensive side of the ball…..we need everything. Pointing out a shutout against a pathetic KC and a decent game against a Panther’s team that is about to fire its coach is just fools gold. This defense is pathetic, and needs new players and a new coordinator.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:26 am
I love the stat thrown up that Palmer is the fastest QB to get the ball out… BFD!! What does that tell you? His oline is porous!! Also, so what if you get it out quickly? If it isnt a good throw, who gives a f@ck?? That is a bogus stat..
December 27th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Yes Judge
you are lost if you don’t realize it’s taken more than a year for quality veteran coaches to put Oakland as a possible work place.
Also, remember these guys were hired 10 months ago.
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Not posting as me today btch? Maybe later?
December 27th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Dutch
I have Bills OC Curtis Modkins and Norv Turner as the top of possible OCs available.
Modkins has done an incredible job with Fred Jackson and CJ Spiller, and gotten more out of 7th rounder Fitzpatrick than anyone expected.
http://www.buffalobills.com/team/coaches/curtis-modkins/cf735970-0533-4162-849b-cc2b28771268
December 27th, 2012 at 11:28 am
675.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Yes Judge
you are lost if you don’t realize it’s taken more than a year for quality veteran coaches to put Oakland as a possible work place.
Also, remember these guys were hired 10 months ago.
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What i realize is that you love excuses. Which is fine, i make em all the time when trash talking with other fans. But we’re all Raiders fans here so you don’t have to lie to kick it.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:29 am
For Palmer to be middle of the pack(ranked 16th I think in QB rating) with the sorry sacks around him and a POS coach is pretty good if you ask me. In the same circumstances, Russell would be floundering. Guaranteed.
Elite? Probably not.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:31 am
680…lmao…
December 27th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Dutch
I have Bills OC Curtis Modkins and Norv Turner as the top of possible OCs available.
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Well now, people are responding to your posts. does that mean you don’t need my name to get attention anymore, btch?
December 27th, 2012 at 11:33 am
test
December 27th, 2012 at 11:33 am
There’s nothing excusable about a 4-11 season. There wasn’t when Al did it, and definetly not now that he’s dead.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Thank feck that worked.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:35 am
672.Raider-in-PA Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Atlanta is the only elite team in the NFC south.
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We had Atlanta beat until our elite OC couldnt realize all he had to do was run the f-ing clock out… Whats he do? Throws on just about every f-ing down!! Run the ball, run the clock out and win.. Instead, ol Krapp has to pass, pass, pass and when Palmer is put into those situations with the game on the line, what happens? Either an INT or we’re punting! The Atlanta loss was a cluster f@ck that can be blamed on Knapp and Palmer…
^^^^^^^
Exactly.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:35 am
673.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Never thought we would have to rely on Palmer’s arm to win games..
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Wassup Dutchman!!!
With what we gave up to get Palmer, I absolutely thought he should be able to win games for us.
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Happy Holiday! True…the trade was way too much for the circumstances that Palmer was in.
I always hoped Palmer would be put into the Brett Favre situation his first year on the Vikings. Couple clutch throws and rely on the running game.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:36 am
681.The Big Banana Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:29 am
For Palmer to be middle of the pack(ranked 16th I think in QB rating) with the sorry sacks around him and a POS coach is pretty good if you ask me. In the same circumstances, Russell would be floundering. Guaranteed.
Elite? Probably not.
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True, but it would be nice if CP had a legit running game behind him to take the pressure off.
Knapp is freakin joke.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:36 am
@alex7
Are the Bills coaching staff supposed to get the boot?
December 27th, 2012 at 11:37 am
The Atlanta game was a fluke. Ryan had a bad day. That’s all. Nothing was built on it. The defense looked foolished for weeks and weeks after that.
Thank you Matt Ryan for making us feel like an NFL team for one day at least!
December 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Hi Neil.
what does it mean that there’s nothing excusable about 11 losses? It was the NORM under Al the last decade.
Were there reasons (excuses) for it? Of course. You diagnose them (excuses) so you can fix them. Al didn’t because he wouldn’t fire himself as GM. Today, we know we need a LOT more talent on the roster. A GM who will not likely waste our 1st round picks and FA money is a great start, so I’m eager to see him work.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Reading some were saying draft a new left tackle.
I’d go with the idea of moving Wiz back to left guard,picking up the best free agent centre and drafting a right guard.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@alex7
Are the Bills coaching staff supposed to get the boot?
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Yeah do tell, cross posting btch.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:39 am
**foolish**
December 27th, 2012 at 11:40 am
lmao…funny as sh!t in here.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:40 am
693.neilb Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Reading some were saying draft a new left tackle.
I’d go with the idea of moving Wiz back to left guard,picking up the best free agent centre and drafting a right guard.
^^^^^^^^
Exactly. Draft a Center and then move Wiz back to LG and let Bergstrom play RT next year.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Alex7….
Sorry my bad!I’ve been trying for over a week to sort out a new e-mail account/laptop!
……..and you’re right.4 win seasons suck,no excuse.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Ron Rivera would be a great DC hire if Panthers let him go. Tarver can take a positional job as an understudy for a 3-4 D.
Ken Whisenhunt was someone Al offered the OC job to before and might get interest from Reggie. Was saddled with no QB in AZ and would have upgrade here.
Bills, Jets, Cardinals, Chargers, Panthers staff likely being blown up.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:42 am
WITH THE OVERALL “LACK OF TALENT”ON THE OFFENSE OF THIS TEAM,THE QB NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE PLAY’S WITH HIS LEGS.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:43 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:33 am
There’s nothing excusable about a 4-11 season. There wasn’t when Al did it, and definetly not now that he’s dead.
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Agreed. We clearly regressed. Blaming a dead legend for this year is a bunch of malarkey if you ask me.
Besides, Reggie took full responsibility for this year when he clearly stated that he thought we could compete. He sold the owner on that too, which is evidenced by the owner’s tirade earlier this year. You just don’t do that if your GM has told you behind closed doors that our team can’t compete.
Now Reggie is of excuses. First, we can compete. Now, he wouldn’t wish the situation on anyone. Excuses.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:44 am
697.DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:40 am
693.neilb Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Reading some were saying draft a new left tackle.
I’d go with the idea of moving Wiz back to left guard,picking up the best free agent centre and drafting a right guard.
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Exactly. Draft a Center and then move Wiz back to LG and let Bergstrom play RT next year.
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New o-line coach + LT from A&M + Wiz back to LG + FA center + move Cooper back to RG + Veldheer to RT + drop the ZBS = much better 2013 for everyone on the offensive side of the ball.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:44 am
neilb Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Reading some were saying draft a new left tackle.
I’d go with the idea of moving Wiz back to left guard,picking up the best free agent centre and drafting a right guard.
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Hear hear! Or better yet draft a LT and convert him to RT.
The RT’s in college can be pretty bad.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:45 am
New o-line coach + LT from A&M + Wiz back to LG + FA center + move Cooper back to RG + Veldheer to RT + drop the ZBS = much better 2013 for everyone on the offensive side of the ball.
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Not if you watched the holes Veldheer and Wiz created for McF last year.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:45 am
You shouldn’t draft O-linemen high in the first round.
Steelers, Bears, Ravens, and Packers get it done annually with rag-tag mix of guys at O-line and a low 1st-rounder once in a while.
Top-10 picks have to become Luck, Adrian Peterson, Calvin Johnson, Von Miller, Julio Jones, AJ Green…
that’s what turns franchises around. Not Jake Longs or Joe Thomases.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Chiefs have spent a fortune of 1st-round picks on O-line and D-line. They are a decade behind the times.
It’s a QB/WR/DC league with the new rules. Do what the Bengals, Bucs, Vikings did. Invest at QB/RB/WR.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:49 am
just watched bo run over steve atwater…lmao hiw atwaterhit okoye…= different results
December 27th, 2012 at 11:49 am
702.Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:44 am
697.DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:40 am
693.neilb Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Reading some were saying draft a new left tackle.
I’d go with the idea of moving Wiz back to left guard,picking up the best free agent centre and drafting a right guard.
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Exactly. Draft a Center and then move Wiz back to LG and let Bergstrom play RT next year.
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New o-line coach + LT from A&M + Wiz back to LG + FA center + move Cooper back to RG + Veldheer to RT + drop the ZBS = much better 2013 for everyone on the offensive side of the ball.
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I don’t want to waste a top 5 pick on a LT, when this team needs serious help on the Defensive side of the ball.
The problem with the offense this year was the switch to a crappy offensive system and the hiring of Knapp as OC. Not resigning Satele was a mistake also.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:50 am
What makes good O-lines work is the fact that they have played with each other for years.
We not only have new players every year but change the positions of players we keep.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:51 am
706.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Chiefs have spent a fortune of 1st-round picks on O-line and D-line. They are a decade behind the times.
It’s a QB/WR/DC league with the new rules. Do what the Bengals, Bucs, Vikings did. Invest at QB/RB/WR.
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This draft doesn’t have those tyope of players in it. At the top there is a good tackle, a good DT, and some pass rushing DEs.
Get with the program.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:52 am
…….and of cause new coaches and game plans.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:53 am
We have no pro bowlers because theyve all REGERSSED under DA. Fire DA NOW!!!
December 27th, 2012 at 11:53 am
This team should trade down for multiple picks if we get a top 3 pick. Get a stud DE in the first and the best OL available in the 2nd. In FA go after Malauga, Bowe, Jennings and a starting corner.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:56 am
706.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Chiefs have spent a fortune of 1st-round picks on O-line and D-line. They are a decade behind the times.
It’s a QB/WR/DC league with the new rules. Do what the Bengals, Bucs, Vikings did. Invest at QB/RB/WR.
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Every draft is different, there are no Peyton Mannings, Calvin Johnsons or Adrian Petersons this year. A team like the Raiders needs to build the lines badly. Already have a serviceable QB, RB & WR’s. Just need to change the OC and maybe go after a veteran WR like Bowe or Jennings in FA.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
713.JR77 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:53 am
This team should trade down for multiple picks if we get a top 3 pick. Get a stud DE in the first and the best OL available in the 2nd. In FA go after Malauga, Bowe, Jennings and a starting corner.
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They do need to trade down if they can. They don’t have a 2nd or a 5th rounder this year.
If McK doesn’t trade down from that top 3 pick, then I’m sure he will trade down from his 3rd rounder to get more picks.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
bring back james jett!
December 27th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
This is all so simple and transparent. Those who are just content and satisfied that Al is gone and that we now have the media’s approval that we are doing things “the right way”… are fine with a long rebuild process and very understanding and forgiving of Reggie and DA. Then…when it comes to Palmer, all their pragmatic, sound reasoning and analysis goes out the window. “Palmer blew the season for us” they say w/o giving any slack.
So, Reggie and DA get a break for having a talentless team they inherited, yet Palmer is supposed to overcome that same “talentless” team and be Superman.
Be honest. It comes down to if you like Reggie and DA you’ll load us up with excuses and if you don’t like Palmer you’ll offer no slack at all.
Even the most even handed, sound, pragmatic, “tell it like it is” posters can’t resist themselves, and the personal bias shines through everytime.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
All I know is Palmer had 14 int’s 7 fumbles and 22 touchdowns. 21 turnovers is hard to overlook for me.I remember alot of you were saying things like is a franchise Qb how many still believe that? Just food for thought.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
718.Dhidee99 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
All I know is Palmer had 14 int’s 7 fumbles and 22 touchdowns. 21 turnovers is hard to overlook for me.I remember alot of you were saying things like is a franchise Qb how many still believe that? Just food for thought.
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Wow didn’t realize he had 7 fumbles…that’s a crapload…that’s not a fluke, that’s a serious fumble problem right there, also an indicator of a crappy oline too.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
new post
December 27th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
715.DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
713.JR77 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:53 am
This team should trade down for multiple picks if we get a top 3 pick. Get a stud DE in the first and the best OL available in the 2nd. In FA go after Malauga, Bowe, Jennings and a starting corner.
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They do need to trade down if they can. They don’t have a 2nd or a 5th rounder this year.
If McK doesn’t trade down from that top 3 pick, then I’m sure he will trade down from his 3rd rounder to get more picks.
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Question will be, is there a team out there willing to do it, its kind of a weak draft for QB’s, RB’s and WR’s. Teams usually trade up to get a franchise QB like RGIII or stud WR like Julio Jones. There aren’t any of those coming out I don’t think.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
379.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:47 am
Cardinals would be a viable trade partner, they may try to rebottle the few years they got out of Warner.
Still think the Jets would be very much in the mix as well. Think they keep Rex and give him one year without Sanchez to see what he can do.
As far as Palmer’s trade value? Don’t think we can get a early 2nd (where those teams would be drafting) straight up for him, so we would have to package a late pick with it just to sweeten the pot.
Palmer and a 6th, for a 2nd type thing.
Greater chance, IMO, of trading Palmer then trading back in the first round.
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I think CP can he had for a 3rd rounder for sure. However, who the heck is going to replace him?
Watch Flor St QB EJ Manuels stock start to shoot up in this draft.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
721.JR77 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
715.DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
713.JR77 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:53 am
This team should trade down for multiple picks if we get a top 3 pick. Get a stud DE in the first and the best OL available in the 2nd. In FA go after Malauga, Bowe, Jennings and a starting corner.
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They do need to trade down if they can. They don’t have a 2nd or a 5th rounder this year.
If McK doesn’t trade down from that top 3 pick, then I’m sure he will trade down from his 3rd rounder to get more picks.
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Question will be, is there a team out there willing to do it, its kind of a weak draft for QB’s, RB’s and WR’s. Teams usually trade up to get a franchise QB like RGIII or stud WR like Julio Jones. There aren’t any of those coming out I don’t think.
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Nope. No player worth trading up for, unless a team falls in love with Geno Smith.