Leinart thinks he deserves to start, understands need to play Pryor
By Steve Corkran
Thursday, December 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Matt Leinart is like any other quarterback in that he wants to play and not spend every week preparing for an opportunity that never comes. Yet, he’s also cognizant of the fact that the Raiders need to take a long look at second-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor at some point.
Coach Dennis Allen said he is unsure whether to start Leinart or Pryor in place of injured regular Carson Palmer on Sunday against the San Diego Chargers in the regular-season finale.
“In this situation, I deserve to play, I deserve to start,” Leinart said. “But I’m not sure what’s going to happen. … If they want to start Terrelle and evaluate him and see what he can do, then I’ll support that and I’ll help him this week and help him during the game. But if they make me the starter and stuff, I’m just going to go out there and try to capitalize on that opportunity.”
Leinart last started a game Nov. 27, 2011, when he replaced injured Houston Texans starter Matt Schaub. Leinart suffered a broken collarbone that game and missed the remainder of the season.
Now, Leinart has one game to show enough for the Raiders to bring him back for a second season. Leinart is slated to be an unrestricted free agent after this season.
Problem is, the Raiders also have only one more game to take a long look at Pryor, a player that hasn’t played more than three snaps in any game during his two seasons with the Raiders.
“In Terrelle’s (case), he’s young, he’s had a big-time college career, and just given the unique dynamic of the situation, I don’t think they’re sure what they have in him,” Leinart said. “He hasn’t played in a game — just preseason. I do understand that football part of it and the business part of the game but I can’t control all that stuff.”
Getting a chance to play also would give Leinart an opportunity to put on tape a game for other teams to evaluate next offseason, if the Raiders opt to go another direction.
“I still feel I have a lot to prove at this point of my career,” Leinart said. “No matter what the naysayers say, I do feel like I still can play. I do feel like that, and I’ll play like that until the day I retire. But you’re only given so many opportunities in this league. That’s why this weekend would be awesome.”
Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is faced with the task of preparing game plans for two quarterbacks with distinct skill sets — Leinart the pure pocket passer, Pryor the mobile, athletic quarterback.
Yet, Knapp isn’t fazed, given he once faced a similar situation when he had to do likewise with Michael Vick and Matt Schaub with the Atlanta Falcons.
“What we’re trying to do is o get both guys ready,” Knapp said. “Both guys need reps right now because they really didn’t have any reps going into last week when Carson got hurt. It’s always the starter that’s been getting a lot of reps. So, we want to have both ready. We’ll know after tomorrow’s practice. But we’ve been splitting reps both, and we have to have a little bit of a game plan for both available.”
– It’s likely that rookie Tony Bergstrom will make his NFL starting debut Sunday at right guard in place of injured regular Mike Brisiel (ankle).
Knapp said he is impressed with the progress made by Bergstrom so far. He’s also realistic about tempering expectations for a player making his first start, on the road.
“He’s going to go through some growing pains like any new player would,” Knapp said. “I feel good about him. I like what I’ve seen in practice. I also have seen the rookie mistakes that I know this might show up in a game. But I’m looking forward to get him some reps to see him play live if he has to play.
“He’s prepared. He’s one of the first guys in the building. When asked questions in meetings he’s always on top of his information and the right assignments. I feel like he’s ready to play now. He’s going to go through some growing pains but he’s certainly earned the right to be on the field.”
Bergstrom has played sparingly this season, mostly as an extra blocker on certain plays. He has worked at offensive tackle and guard as a means of making himself more versatile and thereby more valuable as a backup.
He said he is ready to take the next step toward being an every-down player.
“I feel confident in what I’ve been doing,” said Bergstrom, Oakland’s third-round draft pick in April. “I feel good at the position. We’ll see what happens. I feel ready to roll.”
– Allen said he feels as if the season turned in by kicker Sebastian Janikowski was impressive enough for Janikowski to earn a spot on the AFC roster in the Pro Bowl.
“A little bit,” Allen said, when asked if he was surprised Janikowski got beat out by the Browns Phil Dawson. “Obviously, those are tough situations, because Phil Dawson had a strong year also, but we certainly felt like Seabass was very deserving and very worthy of that honor.”
Dawson convetered 28 of 29 field-goal attempts through the first 15 games this season. Janikowski made 31 of 34, with his misses coming from 51, 61 and 64 yards.
Janikowski rarely makes an appearance in the locker room during the media-access period each day, so he was unavailable for comment.
– It’s not difficult to find clues into what the Raiders roster is going to look like in 2013 and beyond. Time and again, Allen takes the time to rave about certain players, no doubt sending a message to others about how they should comport themselves.
On Thursday, Allen sang the praises of rookie linebacker Miles Burris, who has started every game this season.
“In terms of his energy, it’s been there the whole time,” Allen said. “He’s the type of player that we’re looking for as far as a guy, he loves football, he’s willing to work and he’s got a team attitude. Those are the characteristics of the guys that we’re really looking for, and he fits that mold to a tee. You don’t anticipate a fourth-round draft choice out of San Diego starting for you for the whole season. But he earned that right and got himself into that position.”
– So far, we know who the Raiders are playing in 15 of their 16 games in 2013. The Raiders won’t know their final opponent until Sunday’s games are played.
Here’s a look at the 14 common games for the four AFC West teams:
1. Six home-and-away games against divisional foes.
2. Four games against the AFC South — Houston Texans, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans.
3. Four games against the NFC East — Washington Redskins, New York Giants, Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles.
The final two games are based upon where each team in the AFC West finishes. The Raiders are the third-place team out of the AFC West, so they play the third-place team from the AFC North — Pittsburgh Steelers — at home and the third-place team from the AFC East on the road.
As of now, the New York Jets are the third-place team in the AFC East. However, if the Jets beat the Buffalo Bills and the New England Patriots beat the Dolphins on Sunday, the Jets and Dolphins would flop places.
If things play out that way, the Raiders would play the Dolphins on the road for the third straight season.
Here are the games that are different for the AFC West teams:
Raiders — Steelers and Jets/Dolphins
Broncos — Patriots, Ravens
Chiefs — Browns, Bills
Chargers — Bengals, Jets/Dolphins
So, before anyone rails about the difficulty of the Raiders schedule, remember that the only difference in the schedules of the four AFC West teams is the two games based on where they finish in the standings.
Therefore, in theory, the Broncos have the toughest schedule for 2013, with the Chargers next, followed by the Raiders and Chiefs.
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December 27th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
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December 27th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is faced with the task of preparing game plans for two quarterbacks with distinct skill sets — Leinart the pure pocket passer, Pryor the mobile, athletic quarterback.
Yet, Knapp isn’t fazed, given he once faced a similar situation when he had to do likewise with Michael Vick and Matt Schaub with the Atlanta Falcons.
“What we’re trying to do is o get both guys ready,” Knapp said. “Both guys need reps right now because they really didn’t have any reps going into last week when Carson got hurt. It’s always the starter that’s been getting a lot of reps. So, we want to have both ready. We’ll know after tomorrow’s practice. But we’ve been splitting reps both, and we have to have a little bit of a game plan for both available.”
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Yikes.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Therefore, in theory, the Broncos have the toughest schedule for 2013, with the Chargers next, followed by the Raiders and Chiefs.
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We’ll have the toughest schedule if we keep our current staff.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Yikes.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Sat next to Reggie on a flight back home from the Phillipines. Asked Reggie what he was going to do to turn around this season for next year. He simply said, hire Gruden.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
2 yikes in the first four posts. That can’t be good.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
As soon as the Panthers fire Rivera, Reggie should be on the phone with Rivera’s Agent!!! New DC!!!
December 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Fellow semi-pros, I present to you Greg Knapp, Super Genius!
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Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Asked OC Greg Knapp why he hasn’t used Terrelle Pryor more in red zone, given team’s struggles there …
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Knapp: “We haven’t developed as big a red zone package as we would have liked. We’ve been focused on 3rd downs and getting to the red zone.”
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Mensa candidate?…..
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Talk about taking a comment out of context. Knapp’s answer was specifically to “the package” that he has for Pryor. Figure that it takes about 5 times as long to teach a play to Pryor as it does to a normal QB, and you can see why he hasn’t gotten there yet.
Seriously though, the red zone is a much harder place for a QB to play from, especially one that relies on his legs. The defense has less field to cover, doesn’t need to keep safeties over the top to worry about the deep ball, and can more easily spy on a running QB. That takes away about 75% of Pryor’s threat in the red zone, and forces him to make split second reads that he has shown no capacity to make thus far.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
20.KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Interesting that DA would lie to the public saying Lice & Pryor were splitting reps yesterday. Pryor said Lice got most of the snaps in practice.
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Yeah, they split the snaps….80-20 split.
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That sounds right about in line with the number of plays from the playbook that each of them are capable of running. I mean, how many snaps does it take Pryor to work on, what, about 3 or 4 plays? Remember, this is the guy that as late as week 15 was quoted as still having trouble remembering whether to take 3 or 5 drops on a given play.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
“Yet, Knapp isn’t fazed…” when slapping more gel in his hair….
December 27th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Paying him what?
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I think it’s anywhere from 13-17 million.
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Not my money, but it’s been a forgone conclusion by most this year that Mike Vick should never see a dime of his $15 mill next year if the Eagles didn’t make the playoffs. How in the hell Could the Raiders even think about paying Palmer that kind of money for 4 wins in 15 games?? Ceasar from Planet of the Apes could get us 4 wins and it’d only cost them a few bananas. Short answer: No!!!
December 27th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
any schedule is hard for this staff…
December 27th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Hire Ron Rivera for DC!!!!!
December 27th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
That sounds right about in line with the number of plays from the playbook that each of them are capable of running. I mean, how many snaps does it take Pryor to work on, what, about 3 or 4 plays? Remember, this is the guy that as late as week 15 was quoted as still having trouble remembering whether to take 3 or 5 drops on a given play.
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I don’t recall any such thing. Can you provide a link?
December 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Is it true Mark wants all the money back that was paid out to the coaches? Can he really do that?
December 27th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
“What we’re trying to do is o get both guys ready,” Knapp said. “
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Can you provide a link?
December 27th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is faced with the task of preparing game plans for two quarterbacks with distinct skill sets — Leinart the pure pocket passer, Pryor the mobile, athletic quarterback.
Yet, Knapp isn’t fazed, given he once faced a similar situation when he had to do likewise with Michael Vick and Matt Schaub with the Atlanta Falcons.
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Greg “we teach what we know” Knapp faces with preparing 2 distinct types of QB? Lol!
December 27th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
“A little bit,” Allen said, when asked if he was surprised
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Link please…..
December 27th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
he cant even get 1 ready all year and he wants to get both ready in 1 game…lmao
December 27th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
That sounds right about in line with the number of plays from the playbook that each of them are capable of running. I mean, how many snaps does it take Pryor to work on, what, about 3 or 4 plays? Remember, this is the guy that as late as week 15 was quoted as still having trouble remembering whether to take 3 or 5 drops on a given play.
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Where’d you get this info?
December 27th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is faced with the task of preparing game plans for two quarterbacks with distinct skill sets — Leinart the pure pocket passer, Pryor the mobile, athletic quarterback.
Yet, Knapp isn’t fazed, given he once faced a similar situation when he had to do likewise with Michael Vick and Matt Schaub with the Atlanta Falcons.
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Greg “we teach what we know” Knapp faces with preparing 2 distinct types of QB? Lol!
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I think he’s facing a difficult challenge seeing how he struggled in preparing even one QB to play. Good luck with that.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
They’re working on Leinart’s lateral game as we speak. Perfecting the screen pass and check down.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Coach Dennis Allen said he is unsure whether to start Leinart or Pryor in place of injured regular Carson Palmer on Sunday against the San Diego Chargers in the regular-season finale.
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The question is not weather we need to win a must win game, but to see what Pryor can do. We know what Lionheart can do. Start Pryor Now!
December 27th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Fellow semi-pros, I present to you Greg Knapp, Super Genius!
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Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Asked OC Greg Knapp why he hasn’t used Terrelle Pryor more in red zone, given team’s struggles there …
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Knapp: “We haven’t developed as big a red zone package as we would have liked. We’ve been focused on 3rd downs and getting to the red zone.”
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Mensa candidate?…..
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I refuse to waste my money and time on this BS. Fire Knapp. I’m not going to watch more games, or buy products till they fire knapp.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Coach Dennis Allen said he is unsure whether to start Leinart or Pryor in place of injured regular Carson Palmer on Sunday against the San Diego Chargers in the regular-season finale.
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I’m sure it will be a game time decision. Maybe we’ll know after the coin toss.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Leinart deserves nothing!!
December 27th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Knapp: “We haven’t developed as big a red zone package as we would have liked. We’ve been focused on 3rd downs and getting to the red zone.”
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Lol! This guy is lost. No wonder our guys look like chickens with their heads cut off when they get past the 20.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
We desperatly need to advance our research in Artificial Intelligence and Robotics, so that we may send a cybernetic organism covered in living tissue back in time to eliminate Greg Knapps Parents. It’s clear that is the only way he can be stopped.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
I bumped into Carrol Davis next to me in bed this morning. I asked her if Gruden was coming back, and she started human-beat-boxing for some reason.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
this isn’t even a hard decision. Play Pryor. See what you’ve got….
December 27th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
DAs refusal to recognize how bad Knapp is screams moron. IF DA is coach next year no way more than 5-6 wins…..Let’s face it he’s not a smart man
December 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
The amount of practice time split between Leinart and Pryor doesn’t really matter. Neither does the playing time. Under the current condition, even my favorite Johnny Unitas would look Leaf-esque. What are you expecting to see from the players on offense? It certainly won’t display their true ability except maybe for the art of falling to the turf when Mac-Trucked.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
I didn’t get to see the game Sunday but Judge indicated that Leinart was less than impressive.
Wtf aren’t they playing Pryor? If he sucks then he sucks and put in USC party boy…
December 27th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
“In this situation, I deserve to play, I deserve to start,” Leinart said. “But I’m not sure what’s going to happen. …
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Eff this monkey!
December 27th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Ok thats a decent point Aphid, but if the O is going be a non-stop clusterf*ck, which we have NO reason to believe otherwise, then put in the kid. Let him get some seasoning. See if he can’t make $hit into something interesting…
December 27th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
31.eldiabs Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
DAs refusal to recognize how bad Knapp is screams moron.
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I see DA scratching his head alot on the Sidelines, he has that look like he’s thinking “I don’t understand it, the Defense looks Great in Practice”
December 27th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Plus if Pryor starts it’ll give USC QB hero Matt Leinert time to get all coked up on the sideline before he comes in…
December 27th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Asked OC Greg Knapp why he hasn’t used Terrelle Pryor more in red zone, given team’s struggles there …
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Knapp: “We haven’t developed as big a red zone package as we would have liked. We’ve been focused on 3rd downs and getting to the red zone.”
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No wonder we get yards but we have scoring issues?!?!?
Effin Moron!!!
51 points in 4 games and 0 TDs in the last 2 games?!?!
Eff you Knapp Monkey!
December 27th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
What is all the fuss for over DA and his staff. No way DA comes back with a new staff. He’d be starting over. Him and Knapp were just ‘test driving’ their team this year. They need another year together to try and perfect this thing. And that is a crying shame. Reggie probably supports this joke. We’ll be lucky to win 4 games next year. Teams don’t go into the gutter like we do. KC will improve next year, so will SD. We won’t, unless Gruden or some other legitimate OC comes on board.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
31-you have no idea what DA thinks of Knapp.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
31.eldiabs Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
DAs refusal to recognize how bad Knapp is screams moron.
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I see DA scratching his head alot on the Sidelines, he has that look like he’s thinking “I don’t understand it, the Defense looks Great in Practice”
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He’s looking more and more Art Shell esque by the week. Art Shell part II, that is.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
School 0bama’s Daughters Attend Has 11 Armed Guards
Some interesting news has broken in the wake of the latest push for gun control by President 0bama and Senate Democrats: 0bama sends his kids to a school where armed guards are used as a matter of fact.
The school, Sidwell Friends School in Washington, DC, has 11 security officers and is seeking to hire a new police officer as we speak.
If you dismiss this by saying, “Of course they have armed guards — they get Secret Service protection,” then you’ve missed the larger point.
The larger point is that this is standard operating procedure for the school, period. And this is the reason people like NBC’s David Gregory send their kids to Sidwell, they know their kids will be protected from the carnage that befell kids at a school where armed guards weren’t used (and weren’t even allowed).
Shame on President 0bama for seeking more gun control and for trying to prevent the parents of other school children from doing what he has clearly done for his own. His children sit under the protection guns afford, while the children of regular Americans are sacrificed.
http://bit.ly/U6m7Q4
December 27th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Sure looks like DA is coming back though.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Will you guys quit bringing up Art Shell 2.0?
I have worked D@MN hard at suppressing those memories and you people are dredging them up like a bloated Florida resident with concrete shoes in the Okeefenokee swamp…
December 27th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
That sounds right about in line with the number of plays from the playbook that each of them are capable of running. I mean, how many snaps does it take Pryor to work on, what, about 3 or 4 plays? Remember, this is the guy that as late as week 15 was quoted as still having trouble remembering whether to take 3 or 5 drops on a given play.
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I don’t recall any such thing. Can you provide a link?
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This was from just last week:
Greg Papa, now on the Game: Terrell Pryor is only capable of a handful of plays. He is now not capable of a 60 plays playbook, and I don’t think he will ever be capable. Watching Pryor in practice before Carolina game, he was doing everything wrong. 3 step drops he would still drop back 5 steps. fundamentals are all wrong. Even the trick play they ran during the game I didn’t think they would even run because Pryor kept throwing it short to Palmer, bouncing the ball.
Asked what he would do with Pryor:
Papa: “trade him.”
December 27th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
I’m interested in knowing why Leinart feels he “deserves” anything. That’s why he’s been a failure in the NFL. His sense of entitlement. Just do the work. That’s it. Sadly, THIS is the problem with the great Trojans from that era. They all tasted the highest of highs, as kids, basically. And a lot of them never got over that sense of entitlement, and it led them to stop working once they made it to the NFL. Byrd, White, Williams, Leinart, Justice, Bush. Reggie is just now starting to get it back together, and thats only because he is just too talented to fizzle out as quickly as the others. Matt, you “deserve” nothing. You need to keep working hard. It’s time to grow up. Instead of feeling you “deserve” something, it’s time to start EARNING it.
Trojans, Fight On!
That out of the way, this game is going to be a complete disaster, no matter who starts. You guys are really gonna see just how valuable Palmer was.
Knapp, Leinart, and Pryor? With one weeks work? Be afraid.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
46. Good post.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
JLofty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
this isn’t even a hard decision. Play Pryor. See what you’ve got….
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Why if he can’t even get the plays right in practice?
I’d rather see them play Lechler to see if his QB skills justify resigning him. He was a 3rd round pick, just like Pryor, so he’s equally justified, right?
Or maybe try McClain at QB. He was a first round pick after all, so he’s even more entitled to unearned playing time. Plus, he’s already proven that he has the skills for the “Run and Shoot”
December 27th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
December 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
35. JLofty,
I know where you’re coming from. Yes, they should have played all of the players about 2 games prior to this. You need about 3 games to truly evaluate them because they do have off days. Only then can you make a good judgment call on draft day. Basing it on one game and practice is not a good idea.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
That sounds right about in line with the number of plays from the playbook that each of them are capable of running. I mean, how many snaps does it take Pryor to work on, what, about 3 or 4 plays? Remember, this is the guy that as late as week 15 was quoted as still having trouble remembering whether to take 3 or 5 drops on a given play.
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I don’t recall any such thing. Can you provide a link?
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This was from just last week:
Greg Papa, now on the Game: Terrell Pryor is only capable of a handful of plays. He is now not capable of a 60 plays playbook, and I don’t think he will ever be capable. Watching Pryor in practice before Carolina game, he was doing everything wrong. 3 step drops he would still drop back 5 steps. fundamentals are all wrong. Even the trick play they ran during the game I didn’t think they would even run because Pryor kept throwing it short to Palmer, bouncing the ball.
Asked what he would do with Pryor:
Papa: “trade him.”
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It this a link?
December 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
“Run and Shoot”
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LMAO!
December 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Get ready for 60 minutes of garbage time.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
JLofty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
this isn’t even a hard decision. Play Pryor. See what you’ve got….
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Why if he can’t even get the plays right in practice?
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Because the probablilty of Pryor creating a big play by deviating from the one called puts the Raiders in greater position to score rather than Matt Lienart perfectly executing a Greg Knapp play
December 27th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Leinart’s will start. You have to understand that he can throwa lateral pass with the best of em, which happens to be Krapp’s favorite play.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
# Chewbakka Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Is it true Mark wants all the money back that was paid out to the coaches? Can he really do that?
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chewy..details?
alss BS/joke on your philipines trip…right?
December 27th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
What sounds more appealling?
Matt Leinart executing a Greg Knapp called play?
Pryor not remembering a GK play and take off running?
December 27th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Leinart deserves to be cut before the Raiders’ game vs San Diego; he played scared vs Carolina.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Will the Charger players play harder for lame duck Turner or Raider players play harder for lame ducks DA and Knapp? Or will this just be one big slop feat. Raiders will need to kick 12 field goals to win this game.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Matt, you “deserve” nothing. You need to keep working hard. It’s time to grow up. Instead of feeling you “deserve” something, it’s time to start EARNING it.
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No SHVT!! After his stellar preformance last week how does he DESERVE anything.
Nice pass outta bounds for the game ender LOSER!!
December 27th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
The fact that Terrelle Pryor doesn’t know Greg Knapps playbook already puts him ahead of the curve.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
It is interesting that so many feel a 3rd string QB shouldn’t be evaluated by practices yet every year over a 1000 players are cut due to practice evaluations.100s win or lose their jobs based entirely by practices.But that isn’t good enough for 1 QB.SMH.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Matt, you “deserve” nothing. You need to keep working hard. It’s time to grow up. Instead of feeling you “deserve” something, it’s time to start EARNING it.
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Shouldn’t that apply to others also?
December 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Zymurge, greg papa has about as much credibility with me as most posters in here and less than a few.
What’s it gunna hurt? Find out.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
anything but the same sh!t da and krapp have been giving us…
December 27th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Knapp and Palmer said Pryor remains attentive during meetings, has a grasp of the playbook and takes preparation seriously. Pryor concedes understanding something in a meeting room and applying it on the field are two different things.
“If we were to talk and you were to give me a formation for this upcoming week, I’d know every single play,” Pryor said. “I’d know where everyone’s at, I’d know all the responsibilities. That’s on paper, that’s not on the field with four guys 300 pounds flying at you, so I don’t know.”
As for his skill as a passer, Pryor believes he has improved a great deal.
“It’s amazing, the accuracy I have now,” he said. “I’m able to step into my throws and throw it exactly where I want, and I’ve got to keep getting better at that.”
For more on the Raiders, visit the Inside the Oakland Raiders blog at ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders. Follow Jerry McDonald on twitter at Twitter.com/Jerrymcd.I
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Dude says in the newspaper that he knows the playbook???
December 27th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
per Gutierrez:
Terrelle Pryor and Matt Leinart were splitting snaps at quarterback Thursday, though it was Pryor first under center.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
even the raider reporters are dyslexic…
December 27th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
We need a good coaching staff. Not ass scratchers. Free the Raiders Now.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Matt, you “deserve” nothing. You need to keep working hard. It’s time to grow up. Instead of feeling you “deserve” something, it’s time to start EARNING it.
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Shouldn’t that apply to others also?
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Leinart’s had many chances. Pryor none.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Let the Raiders play football. Bring back Gruden
December 27th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
The fact that Terrelle Pryor doesn’t know Greg Knapps playbook already puts him ahead of the curve.
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Lol! Agreed.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Leinart’s will start. You have to understand that he can throwa lateral pass with the best of em, which happens to be Krapp’s favorite play.
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LOL
December 27th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
How hard can learning Knapps playbook be? I can only imagine its written on a McDonalds napkin or something.
December 27th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Lefty a lot of gm and coaches get fired every year when you go 3-13 but you don’t want that to happen do you?
December 27th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
poprox13 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
How hard can learning Knapps playbook be? I can only imagine its written on a McDonalds napkin or something.
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If anything, the problem is that it’s more complex than most. That’s why it’s so effective in Houston by teams that have it down.
If you don’t think it’s more complex, go ask D Moore about how many more reads there are for him get wrong.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Talk about taking a comment out of context. Knapp’s answer was specifically to “the package” that he has for Pryor. Figure that it takes about 5 times as long to teach a play to Pryor as it does to a normal QB, and you can see why he hasn’t gotten there yet.
Seriously though, the red zone is a much harder place for a QB to play from, especially one that relies on his legs. The defense has less field to cover, doesn’t need to keep safeties over the top to worry about the deep ball, and can more easily spy on a running QB. That takes away about 75% of Pryor’s threat in the red zone, and forces him to make split second reads that he has shown no capacity to make thus far.
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Is this also why we suck there as well? Obviously the other QB’s take as long if longer….
December 27th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Knapp and Palmer said Pryor remains attentive during meetings, has a grasp of the playbook and takes preparation seriously. Pryor concedes understanding something in a meeting room and applying it on the field are two different things.
“If we were to talk and you were to give me a formation for this upcoming week, I’d know every single play,” Pryor said. “I’d know where everyone’s at, I’d know all the responsibilities. That’s on paper, that’s not on the field with four guys 300 pounds flying at you, so I don’t know.”
As for his skill as a passer, Pryor believes he has improved a great deal.
“It’s amazing, the accuracy I have now,” he said. “I’m able to step into my throws and throw it exactly where I want, and I’ve got to keep getting better at that.”
For more on the Raiders, visit the Inside the Oakland Raiders blog at ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders. Follow Jerry McDonald on twitter at Twitter.com/Jerrymcd.I
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Dude says in the newspaper that he knows the playbook???
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Show me a quote from a pro athlete in any sport where he says that, other than say from injury, that he doesn’t think he’s ready to play yet. Especially if he’s talking about not knowing the plays or that he hasn’t learned a fundamental concept of his position that everyone else has figured out by high school. You know, like as a QB knowing that you step into your throws to make them go the direction that you want.
The thing is, they all think that they are ready and should be starting. That’s the makeup of a pro athlete. Would you expect Pryor to say anything else?
December 27th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
What fool called knapp playbook complex,he did not have a playbook in Houston he was only a qb coach,they were not stupid enough to let anywhere near the playbook.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Knapp playbook is not the issue it’s the playcalling that’s the problem we someone with a brain calling plays.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
The “Wave of the Future” starts Sunday fellers, Pryor will leave us with something to look forward to and argue about for weeks in the offseason, let the games begin
December 27th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Knapps Playbook:
Runs: Stretch Left, Stretch Right
Short Yardage: Toss Left, Toss Right
Pass: 5 yard Slant, 5 yard out
3rd & Long: 5 yard Slant, 5 yard out
December 27th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Thank god after the passing of AL (RIP) our beloved franchise became a model of stability just like the other 31 teams. We are more stable, media friendlier, and make prudent football decisions in a timely manner. LOL. Did anybody honestly think Seymour was coming back to make a notable contribution? When he enters Canton, he’ll go in as a patsy, but still thank the RAIDERS for padding his bank account. Can’t make this nonsense up for trying!
December 27th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Do we want to win on Sunday or lose? What a perplexing conundrum this coaching staff has bestowed on the players.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Last week, the Chargers sacked Greg McElroy, what, 10, 11 times?
Men react to things differently. Everyone here saw how scared Leinart was last week. He saw what happened to CP, and quite frankly, played like he was scared of that happening to him. OK. That’s how some human beings deal.
On the other hand, I saw TP come in last week, take a monster hit, and jump right back up like nothing happened.
The rush is going to be on. SD will show no mercy with the blitz. The guys that have been around for a while, theyre going to want to send Norv off in style. Greg Knapps offense sucks. This will be more than just a test of QB. This will be a test of what kind of MAN it is wearing that Raider uniform.
Palmer held this garbage Knapp offense together about as well as anyone could hope. Playing with Knapp as your O-Co is a handicap. The #’s CP put up are the best in a Greg Knapp offense EVER. That doesnt tell anyone anything? Yet CP was scapegoated all season for Knapps garbage. And it ended with him being destroyed on the field last week.
Matt Leinart, Terrelle Pryor. No matter who starts, plays, etc., it’s not going to be pretty.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
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why post non Raider bs on here, thats about the dumbest schit I have ever read, I mean C’MON MAN of course the Pres kids have armed guards at the school they also have them with them EVERY where they go SMDH
December 27th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
84. No matter what the crappy circumstances we are in, on any given Sunday we have to play to WIN! Especially against the chargers.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
We need a good coaching staff. Not ass scratchers.
LMAO!!
December 27th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Knapp playbook is not the issue it’s the playcalling that’s the problem we someone with a brain calling plays.
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This I agree with 100%. Knapp’s forte seems to be teaching the ZBS and helping teams transition. I don’t think that he’s a great OC at all, especially in play calling. Even Cable, no rocket scientist himself, had to revoke play calling from him.
I think that the regime believes that they want the ZBS as the basis of the running game for the long haul. They knew that this was going to a rebuilding year (essentially a throwaway) to fix the cap, break in a rookie coaching staff, change the culture, and so forth. What better time to change to the system that you believe is the one you want to run for the next several years?
Of course they couldn’t come up and tell the fans it was going to be a throwaway season, because it’s still a business and they need to sell tickets. So they give lip service about winning and then make the right choices for the long term health of the organization.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Talk about taking a comment out of context. Knapp’s answer was specifically to “the package” that he has for Pryor. Figure that it takes about 5 times as long to teach a play to Pryor as it does to a normal QB, and you can see why he hasn’t gotten there yet.
Seriously though, the red zone is a much harder place for a QB to play from, especially one that relies on his legs. The defense has less field to cover, doesn’t need to keep safeties over the top to worry about the deep ball, and can more easily spy on a running QB. That takes away about 75% of Pryor’s threat in the red zone, and forces him to make split second reads that he has shown no capacity to make thus far.
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Lefty12 Obviously that’s why he’s getting snaps he earned them. If that’s your issue with him, he also won tthe backup job in preaseason yet tey gave it to Leinart. Do you think that was fair?
December 27th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
It is interesting that so many feel a 3rd string QB shouldn’t be evaluated by practices yet every year over a 1000 players are cut due to practice evaluations.100s win or lose their jobs based entirely by practices.But that isn’t good enough for 1 QB.SMH.
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Lefty12 Obviously that’s why he’s getting snaps he earned them. If that’s your issue with him, he also won tthe backup job in preaseason yet tey gave it to Leinart. Do you think that was fair?
December 27th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Ran into Mark at a taco bell. Asked him if he thought this was a throw away season. He said no. Not in his wildest imagination did he think we could suck balls this bad. He was totally in a tirade and said the overhead projector was being dusted off as we spoke.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
If that quote and Pappas is accurate, and Pryor is having trouble with Knapps playbook, we might as well convert him to TE now.
What is there, maybe 5 plays in it?
December 27th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Last week, the Chargers sacked Greg McElroy, what, 10, 11 times?
Men react to things differently. Everyone here saw how scared Leinart was last week. He saw what happened to CP, and quite frankly, played like he was scared of that happening to him. OK. That’s how some human beings deal.
On the other hand, I saw TP come in last week, take a monster hit, and jump right back up like nothing happened.
The rush is going to be on. SD will show no mercy with the blitz. The guys that have been around for a while, theyre going to want to send Norv off in style. Greg Knapps offense sucks. This will be more than just a test of QB. This will be a test of what kind of MAN it is wearing that Raider uniform.
Palmer held this garbage Knapp offense together about as well as anyone could hope. Playing with Knapp as your O-Co is a handicap. The #’s CP put up are the best in a Greg Knapp offense EVER. That doesnt tell anyone anything? Yet CP was scapegoated all season for Knapps garbage. And it ended with him being destroyed on the field last week.
Matt Leinart, Terrelle Pryor. No matter who starts, plays, etc., it’s not going to be pretty.,
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Man I couldn’t agree more, The beging of the season I felt sorry for CP3 he was being asked to do everything as the year wore on tho I wanted him to carry us no matter what he was that good IMO. But he just isn’t what he used to be he needs a good OC and running game at this point in his career. However I feel if we could get TP6 ready he could be a huge help to CP even if he doesn’t start. Those two have the utmost respect for each other and have a lot of respect for CP3 as well he gave us all he had.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
#28 and #29 Im laughing so hard Im crying!!!!
December 27th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Oops, forgot to conclude #90 ….
So the plan was to bring in a guy that is a proven teacher of the system as a stepping stone. If he proved to be a bad OC then replace him next season with a better play caller that is also a ZBS disciple.
My prediction here is that they bring in Ben McAdoo , the QB Coach from Green Bay. Reggie knows him, he’s a big time ZBS guy, having learned it with the Packers from Jagodzinski who was a disciple of Alex Gibbs. He’s seen as a young up and comer that would be a good complement to this staff. He’s a guy that McCarthy thinks highly of, having brought him with him through his stints with the Whiners and Saints.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Free the Oakland Raiders from the ball and chain known as the knappschemeitis/simplexIII.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Knaaaaaap!
What a puz, how he tries to lower expectations of players ahead of time to try and have a built in excuse as to why his offense sucks Balz.
Oh bergstrom will suck, so don’t blame me! I just need a year or two and we will have 15% of my wondrous playbook down!
December 27th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
We should be focused on draft picks. Not coaching firings and hirings. But first things first. Bring back Gruden.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
100
December 27th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Ran into Rihanna at the airport on Chrismas eve (no joke) asked her what she did to DMC, she said “what do you mean”? I explained that he hasn’t played like he did the last 2 years but more like his first 2 years, she smiled at me and said “who was his OC back then” then she winked at me.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Free the Raiders.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Knapps Playbook:
Runs: Stretch Left, Stretch Right
Short Yardage: Toss Left, Toss Right
Pass: 5 yard Slant, 5 yard out
3rd & Long: 5 yard Slant, 5 yard out
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That says it all right there.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
I ran into Bo Jackson at the archery range the other day, and he told me he could shoot Greg knapp with an arrow from 150 yards. I purchased him a ticket to Sunday’s game.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Great post J D Booty!!
I am surprised that Palmer lasted as long as he did before getting KO’d.
Give the man his props.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Okay Zymurge, thats a solid theory. but you can’t really tell me that you put any credence in what Greg Papa says. I mean that guy says almost anything depending on the shifting of winds…
December 27th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Yeah Carson Bomber took some serious whacks this year.
What a junk show…
December 27th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
If CP3 was mobile and did run a little he woulda been toast along time ago.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Knapp playbook is not the issue it’s the playcalling that’s the problem we someone with a brain calling plays.
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This I agree with 100%. Knapp’s forte seems to be teaching the ZBS and helping teams transition. I don’t think that he’s a great OC at all, especially in play calling. Even Cable, no rocket scientist himself, had to revoke play calling from him.
I think that the regime believes that they want the ZBS as the basis of the running game for the long haul. They knew that this was going to a rebuilding year (essentially a throwaway) to fix the cap, break in a rookie coaching staff, change the culture, and so forth. What better time to change to the system that you believe is the one you want to run for the next several years?
Of course they couldn’t come up and tell the fans it was going to be a throwaway season, because it’s still a business and they need to sell tickets. So they give lip service about winning and then make the right choices for the long term health of the organization.
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Dude you are certifyable excuse maker, this isn’t the world I live in. Either you get it done or you don’t………….period
December 27th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Are you dorks still discussing the circus that is the Oakland Raiders?
lmao
GO WARRIORS!
December 27th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Zymurge I am still wanting to hear what harm you think would occur if Pryor plays Sunday. If he doesn’t have a good grasp of things, one could always put in Leinart at a later point in the game, not that I think there is much to learn or gain doing that…
December 27th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
TP better be starting.
You would think with the emergence of all these young QB’s like Newton, Wilson, RG3, Kaepernick etc etc. DA and the rest of the D bags would be excited to play TP. TP”s “situation” the last few weeks is nonsense. Should of had him in the damn game weeks ago. The motives are sketchy.
Terrelle Pryor Preseason 12′ vs Detriot Lions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEySdy2bMo
is more than enough to warrant some damn playing time. That stuff about he does not know the “playbook” enough is pure BS.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Draft Jerrod Jack!!!
December 27th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Can’t wait for the draft experts to chime in every 30 mins on who we should draft and who we shouldn’t. They are wrong every year just like clockwork but their thirst to play “GM” wont allow them to fall back and STFU, haha
DiKnight, your my fav draft tool!
December 27th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
It’s Jarret you dumb dik.
Jarret MF’kn Jacknife
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JLofty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Draft Jerrod Jack!!!
December 27th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
I don’t think Knapp knows what to do with a kid like Pryor. I don’t think he’d have played Vick in Atlanta if management didn’t force him to. And then all he did was try and make the dog killer a drop back pocket guy.
I don’t recall him REALLY leveraging a skill set like Pryor has. The kid is 250# and can FLY!!!
I’ve seen enough of Knapps plays and gameplans, I want to see something INTERESTING….
December 27th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Some of you fuktards are losing sleep if TP starts or not.
Go seek medical attention. I’m sure Hussein has a tax payer based institution you can check into, on “our” dime.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Knapp: “We haven’t developed as big a red zone package as we would have liked. We’ve been focused on 3rd downs and getting to the red zone.”
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This is hands down the dumbest statement I’ve ever read from a football coach at the seasons end.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Whatever Mistabrown. I’d bet you your entire net worth I have a higher IQ than you…I’ll be sure to brush up on my first name spellings pronto!
December 27th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Palmer was ruined this season and didn’t need to play when we coulda been evaluating Pryor. This staff ruined Palmer DMoore DHB Dmac and Pryor and let a good coach (Wiz1) walk. They utterly ruined this team.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Some of you fuktards are losing sleep if TP starts or not.
Go seek medical attention. I’m sure Hussein has a tax payer based institution you can check into, on “our” dime.
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You must not be a Raider fan. Get the “” outta here then. LOL you would rather have Leinart start?
This season has been BAD. Fans want to see Al’s last pick. maybe TP can give us a very small glimmer of hope i don’t know. We don’t know until we see.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Knapp: “We haven’t developed as big a red zone package as we would have liked. We’ve been focused on 3rd downs and getting to the red zone.”
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This is hands down the dumbest statement I’ve ever read from a football coach at the seasons end.
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It’s definitely comedy material.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Knapp: “We haven’t developed as big a red zone package as we would have liked. We’ve been focused on 3rd downs and getting to the red zone.”
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This is hands down the dumbest statement I’ve ever read from a football coach at the seasons end.
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Yes that just reiterates how bad Knapp is.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Knapp: “We haven’t developed as big a red zone package as we would have liked. We’ve been focused on 3rd downs and getting to the red zone.”
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This is hands down the dumbest statement I’ve ever read from a football coach at the seasons end.
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No wonder we cannot score points, we have a complete moron running the offense…….this stuff is stunning to say the least. Their incompetence is shocking!
December 27th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
JLofty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Okay Zymurge, thats a solid theory. but you can’t really tell me that you put any credence in what Greg Papa says. I mean that guy says almost anything depending on the shifting of winds…
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How many practices do you get to? I know I’m not invited to any, despite how many words I type into this blog.
Papa has a vantage that we don’t. You can choose to believe him or not, but what he reported would be a pretty horrible thing to fabricate. What would be his motive for that?
Given his station and what he sees as opposed to the point of view of frustrated fans, guess who I’m going to give more credence to. The reporter whose job it is to report what he sees to those that don’t get to see.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
The possibility of sinking to new lows is very real if Reggie retains this staff for next season. We can sink lower.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Commitment to Excellence Apologist Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Palmer was ruined this season and didn’t need to play when we coulda been evaluating Pryor. This staff ruined Palmer DMoore DHB Dmac and Pryor and let a good coach (Wiz1) walk. They utterly ruined this team.
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They were glad to let him walk he would’ve made them uncomfortable because they know he knows better. We all knew when he left it was worse than we all thought. And we were right.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Yeah,Al was criticised over the years for firing coaches early. I think Mark Davis has a free pass this year.Not many would complaining about DA’s firing.
FIRE Dennis Allen!
December 27th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Zymurge, Greg Papa aside, what’s your REAL reason for not wanting to see Pryor play?
December 27th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
JLofty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Okay Zymurge, thats a solid theory. but you can’t really tell me that you put any credence in what Greg Papa says. I mean that guy says almost anything depending on the shifting of winds…*****************
My confidence in Papa has waned recently he just doesn’t know what he’s talking about half the time. People just take him at his word. He says some really dumb crap sometimes. I tried to tell him about Bush leaving last year and it went right over his head. He has no clue what a big back is used for. He tried to argue with me why DMC was more gifted runner as if that was an issue. I expect that from a fan but he’s aroud some of the greats and he had no clue what I was talking about.
December 27th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Papa is a reporter?!? I thought he was on the Raider payroll?
Do you remember the stupid ish that guy would blather in the previous decade when 1220 HarbourBay Parkway was the TOTAL laughingstock of the professional sports world? That guy was hardly the beacon of journalistic virtue or investigative prowess.
I did not say I KNEW better than he nor am I saying that Pryor is or isn’t anything. All I’m saying is FIND OUT, in a game. Then we know that much more about our roster going into the off-season.
That and Ima ’bout sick of watching our offense anyway. What’s it going to hurt letting Pryor run it some??
December 27th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Hope everyone who wanted Coach Davis gone is happy now. At least with Coach, you knew his wheels were always churning. And if it wasn’t for the league always out to get him, we’d have at least 5+ Lombardis. Now we got where’s Waldo. Does any one of them have a clue?
December 27th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
I used to wonder years ago when I talked with Papa about sports why he could’t see simple stuff I just thought he was too close to it. But I’ve come to know He just doesn’t get. Yet he is so arrogant with his opinions he rarely listens what you have to say.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
JLofty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Zymurge I am still wanting to hear what harm you think would occur if Pryor plays Sunday. If he doesn’t have a good grasp of things, one could always put in Leinart at a later point in the game, not that I think there is much to learn or gain doing that…
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I’ve answered this several times, but will give it one more for good measure. If he sucks in practice, as has been reported by people that actually see it and not by Pryor telling us what he thinks, then:
- He’s not going to be on the team, at least as a QB, next season. So what is gained by playing him?
- They need to know if Leinart is worth resigning next season. To do so, he needs a start. Again, whether you all want to believe it or not, he beat out Pryor for the backup job because he can learn and execute the playbook. Pryor so far cannot. Bear in mind that Leinart was also coached by Knapp last year so I’m sure there’s bias there, but he also was looking pretty damn good in his start when Schaub went down — at least until he went down too. So in my opinion, he’s earned the right to this last game as a showcase more than Pryor has. Deal with it.
- If they play a guy that everyone in practice sees that he sucks, you’re sending the wrong message to everyone else. As Spock said, “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” So why fork up a growing culture of meritocracy by bringing back more of the Al scholarship tactics that they are trying so hard to rid themselves of?
- If they want to trade him, they are better off leaving him in a cloud of mystery with some spoon fed plays in the right situations where he can look his best. You know, the same few plays that you all saw in pre season and got woodies over. But he had a lot more plays there where he looked like a deer in headlights. The more plays he gets in regular situations, the more film there will be of him prving that he’s NOT an every down NFL QB, and his trade value will fall faster than Facebook stock did.
Of course, everything I’m saying is predicated on my belief, and as I’ve heard reported from different angles, that Pryor just is not getting it. Face it, he’s not smart enough to play QB and no amount of reps are going to make him smarter. All that he does is run real well with a big body and that is not playing QB in the NFL. Tebow seems to be proving that, if you don’t have all the tools and are only effective as a running QB, you don’t have a future in the NFL. Pryor lacks the head and that’s never ever ever going to change.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
If we had gotten our just due the Raiders would have 5-7 Lombardi trophies.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Adios Seymour, your are an Elite Practice Misser. Thank you for your brief stay as a Raider.
Tell your Tree I said “Hello.”
December 27th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
- They need to know if Leinart is worth resigning next season. To do so, he needs a start. Again, whether you all want to believe it or not, he beat out Pryor for the backup job because he can learn and execute the playbook. Pryor so far cannot. Bear in mind that Leinart was also coached by Knapp last year so I’m sure there’s bias there, but he also was looking pretty damn good in his start when Schaub went down — at least until he went down too. So in my opinion, he’s earned the right to this last game as a showcase more than Pryor has. Deal with it.
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Dude you cannot seriously be this stupid…..
December 27th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Sign Ron Rivera!!
December 27th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
sign Ron Rivera for DC!!!
December 27th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Dude you cannot seriously be this stupid…..
LMAO
Lionheart needs to go somewhere else next season. He sucks plan and simple.
Did you see that SHVT last game? Come on.
We know what we have in him. Play Pryor.
All this convo is for not anyway. The Cowardly Lion will get injured and Pryor will play almost the whole game. book it.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Maybe you’re just that much of a racist Pryor hating fool, they are fighting it out in practice the rest of the team sees it this time as well as last time.
Most objective viewers saw as I did Pryor out played Leinart and Leinart hurt himself not being ready last week. had he performed like he should’ve which is why he was GIVEN the backup spot this wouldn’t even be an issue it is an issue because leinart lousy ass peformance. So he has himsself to blame……period
December 27th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Just for fun and a reminder for some of you. Yeah used to be a pretty big debate about who will be better in the NFL. Remember???????
Terrelle Pryor vs Cam Newton 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yTQk1Hc5-I
December 27th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
So Zymurge, the coaches talking him up, are just lying to my face and Greg Papa, who has lied to my face any number of times, is THIS time, not. Ok.
You may be right about Pryor, I couldn’t tell you based on my exceptionally limited knowledge of the matter.
But if Greg Knapp doesn’t know what he has in Matt Leinart by now I’d say he’s dumber than I already think he is. Leinert is going to get KILLED in our offense this weekend. We are NOT the 2011 Texans if you haven’t noticed. They had a rookie QB look pretty decent in their playoff game last year…
December 27th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Zymurge, Greg Papa aside, what’s your REAL reason for not wanting to see Pryor play?
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For the same reason I’ve been saying all year. He is not the answer. It’s called cutting your losses. As a Raiders fan I don’t want to see them wasting time, energy, coaching resources, or clout with the team by continued investment in what is going to fail.
That said, I never said I didn’t want to see him play. I just don’t want to see him play QB, other than in gimmick packages that are within his capacity. I VERY MUCH want him to see the writing on the wall and redirect his athletic prowess towards moving the ball with, and only with the one way that he consistently has shown that he can do it, his feet.
The sooner he is officially pronounced no longer a starting QB candidate, the sooner the message will move through his head that if he wants to stay in the NFL he needs to make the change. Or he can peddle his services on the FA market probably only to find offers from other teams as a non QB project.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Tits makes me sick. He goes out of his way to praise Miles Burris for meaningless accomplishments ‘he started all the games’. This guy may have a future but he has missed so many tackles, not to mention missed a safety last week.
Yet when it comes time to discuss Sebass, a guy that who has excelled more than anyone on this team, and is the best at his position, he basically dodges the question.
I’m saying right now if this idiot comes back we will fu**king suck next year. Winning is secondary to them, they are putting their own players on scholarship more than AL ever did. I can’t wait until these guys get their Arena Bowl squad out there next year.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Commitment To Excellence Apologist Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
The possibility of sinking to new lows is very real if Reggie retains this staff for next season. We can sink lower.
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Oh I agree.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Trade for Joe Webb and let him back up Palmer.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Leinart knows this is going to look very bad if Pryor gets the start over him so he’s saying all the right things. He coughed up maybe his last chance to draw a NFL paycheck with that lousy performance. The backup has to stay ready at all times because one play and he is the starter Leinart wants to stand aaround hold a clip board in the NFL and draw a great check. He will now have to join us in the real world and EARN a living. He’s scared and I don’t blame him because he no longer will be given anything he’ll have no choice but to bust his ass like the rest of us.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
JLofty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Okay Zymurge, thats a solid theory. but you can’t really tell me that you put any credence in what Greg Papa says. I mean that guy says almost anything depending on the shifting of winds…*****************
My confidence in Papa has waned recently he just doesn’t know what he’s talking about half the time. People just take him at his word. He says some really dumb crap sometimes. I tried to tell him about Bush leaving last year and it went right over his head. He has no clue what a big back is used for. He tried to argue with me why DMC was more gifted runner as if that was an issue. I expect that from a fan but he’s aroud some of the greats and he had no clue what I was talking about.
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How can Papa know what you’re talking about, when you don’t?
YOU SAID VINCE YOUNG IS A BETTER QB THAN JAY CUTLER.
Please do not ever discuss football again.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Maybe Leinert can throw to Pryor on the bubble screen…
December 27th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
You recall this, Priest?
Vince young? Better qb than Cutler? lol. You moron.
priesttj Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Oh! and let’s not forget Mayocks jock sniffing on Jay Cutler over VY. He tried his best to get Cutler drafted higher than VY but the GM’s didn’t buy it so far the best of those 3 QB’s is VY by a long way!!
Mayock is a sucka…………..period
December 27th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
For the same reason I’ve been saying all year. He is not the answer. It’s called cutting your losses. As a Raiders fan I don’t want to see them wasting time, energy, coaching resources, or clout with the team by continued investment in what is going to fail.
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They haven’t “wasted any time on him” lol. You sound like a racist, in saying he is preordained to fail at QB.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
- They need to know if Leinart is worth resigning next season. To do so, he needs a start. Again, whether you all want to believe it or not, he beat out Pryor for the backup job because he can learn and execute the playbook. Pryor so far cannot. Bear in mind that Leinart was also coached by Knapp last year so I’m sure there’s bias there, but he also was looking pretty damn good in his start when Schaub went down — at least until he went down too. So in my opinion, he’s earned the right to this last game as a showcase more than Pryor has. Deal with it.
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Dude you cannot seriously be this stupid…..
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Yep, I’m that stupid. Me and Vic Tafur, who said exactly the same thing. But what does he know? It’s only his job to cover the Raiders, watch them in practice, know way more than any of ever can about what’s really going on.
I didn’t say that I believed Leinart will do well. I said he’s shown more to earn this one premier opportunity. Ultimately, the starting decision will dictate who the staff believes has the more realistic need to preview their skills for next year’s roster.
Of course when they pick Leinart, all of you will go on and pretend that from your couches that you know so much more than professional coaches, GMs, journalists, and everyone else that gets paid to do this. So if they are your definition of stupid, then go ahead lump me in with all of them.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
JLofty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Okay Zymurge, thats a solid theory. but you can’t really tell me that you put any credence in what Greg Papa says. I mean that guy says almost anything depending on the shifting of winds…*****************
My confidence in Papa has waned recently he just doesn’t know what he’s talking about half the time. People just take him at his word. He says some really dumb crap sometimes. I tried to tell him about Bush leaving last year and it went right over his head. He has no clue what a big back is used for. He tried to argue with me why DMC was more gifted runner as if that was an issue. I expect that from a fan but he’s aroud some of the greats and he had no clue what I was talking about.
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How can Papa know what you’re talking about, when you don’t?
YOU SAID VINCE YOUNG IS A BETTER QB THAN JAY CUTLER.
Please do not ever discuss football again.
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Not me Priest, it’s the little clown, who didn’t get his attention today.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Free Seabass!
I have Phil Dawson on my fantasy team, and let me tell you, he’s no Sebastian Janokowski…
December 27th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Leinart has made over $20 million.
Do you think before you post?
I mean, ever?
You guaranteed Russell was going to be a superstar.
You said Young is better than Cutler, by a long shot.
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Leinart knows this is going to look very bad if Pryor gets the start over him so he’s saying all the right things. He coughed up maybe his last chance to draw a NFL paycheck with that lousy performance. The backup has to stay ready at all times because one play and he is the starter Leinart wants to stand aaround hold a clip board in the NFL and draw a great check. He will now have to join us in the real world and EARN a living. He’s scared and I don’t blame him because he no longer will be given anything he’ll have no choice but to bust his ass like the rest of us.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Zymurge, Greg Papa aside, what’s your REAL reason for not wanting to see Pryor play?
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Isn’t it obvious…..lol
He’s the wrong persuasion and as do the rest they want a soft place for Palmer next year. The don’t want the fans screaming for Pryor while Palmer is trying to get the snap from center……..lol
December 27th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Yep, I’m that stupid. Me and Vic Tafur, who said exactly the same thing. But what does he know? It’s only his job to cover the Raiders, watch them in practice, know way more than any of ever can about what’s really going on.
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Zymurgy, you keep quoting people without providing any link or anything but your biased opinion.
Speak for yourself or provide a link.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
That is the real reason NONE of them want Pryor to start or see any action………..QB contraversy………period
December 27th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
oklahomaRaider18 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Trade for Joe Webb and let him back up Palmer.
Just the facts Maam
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December 27th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Zymurge, Greg Papa aside, what’s your REAL reason for not wanting to see Pryor play?
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Isn’t it obvious…..lol
He’s the wrong persuasion and as do the rest they want a soft place for Palmer next year. The don’t want the fans screaming for Pryor while Palmer is trying to get the snap from center……..lol
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Wrong persuasion?
You racist POS. Everytime we made headway some Uncle Tom POS starts the racist card.
What is it with you and Mistic, you old decrepit fart?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Preist? Why did you say this about me?
· priesttj Says:
April 8th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Seymour Bush, Amen sir !! I get so tired of these knownothin’s who pretent to read minds know intimate details of someones life eventhough if they meyt that person they wouldn’t know them from Adam who’s been dead for 6K years.
MR and KK are two of a kind both clueless but have no clue that they are.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
KK, I know, no worries thye send this clown everytime we’re in here together if noticed. I think it’s the mods to be honest.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
2013 line up
QB T.Pryor or Tyler Bray
RB *Darren McFadden or Marcell Reece
FB Jamize Olawale
WR Greg Jennings
WR Denarius Moore
TE David Ausberry
LT Jake Matthews
LG Stefan Wisniewski or Mike Briesel
C Stefan Wisniewski or Braxton Cave
RG Tony Bergstrom
RT Jared Veldheer
LE Lamarr Houston
LT Tommy Kelly
RT Christo Bilukidi
RE Cliff Avril or Ezekial Ansah
LB Phillip Wheeler
LB Omar Gaither or Larry Grant
LB Miles Burris
LC Michael Huff
RC Sean Smith
FS Tyvon Branch
SS Michael Mitchell
RS Tavon Austin
*McFadden trade for extra pick or keep him?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Of course when they pick Leinart, all of you will go on and pretend that from your couches that you know so much more than professional coaches, GMs, journalists, and everyone else that gets paid to do this. So if they are your definition of stupid, then go ahead lump me in with all of them.
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Not to difficult to say that about this staff. Most professional coaches know what their doin. Not this bunch. Easy to say from the couch, especially when they suck it that bad as a staff.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
I didn’t say that I believed Leinart will do well. I said he’s shown more to earn this one premier opportunity. Ultimately, the starting decision will dictate who the staff believes has the more realistic need to preview their skills for next year’s roster.
Of course when they pick Leinart, all of you will go on and pretend that from your couches that you know so much more than professional coaches, GMs, journalists, and everyone else that gets paid to do this. So if they are your definition of stupid, then go ahead lump me in with all of them.
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Thats exactly what you’re doing isn’t it?
Its pretty obvious you have an issue with Pryor.
I usually do not get caught up in the racist crap on this blog but you obviously think Pryor is stupid
December 27th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
KK, It’s their old divide and conquer antics.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
I’ve seen Pryor play. Followed him through high school, and college.
He pretty much sucks as a qb.
And he doesn’t have any moves while running the ball.
OH NO. He might be who you’re talking about re: getting a job.
No, don’t ask me. My wife works. I don’t. Kind of a welfare case, but, none the less, Pryor is disappointing.
I think he’s mulatto. Has to be.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
The only reason Leinart is on the team is because of Knapp. Both suck and should be gone next year.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Commitment To Excellence Apologist Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
The possibility of sinking to new lows is very real if Reggie retains this staff for next season. We can sink lower.
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Oh I agree.
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Not to worry, NFL.Com reporting that Ray Anderson is in running for front office job next year – long time favorite of Mark Davis (meaning that was on Al Davis’ to do list for Mark if he ever died)
December 27th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
You have doubts about Pryor, priest, right?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
I’ve seen Pryor play. Followed him through high school, and college.
He pretty much sucks as a qb.
And he doesn’t have any moves while running the ball.
OH NO. He might be who you’re talking about re: getting a job.
No, don’t ask me. My wife works. I don’t. Kind of a welfare case, but, none the less, Pryor is disappointing.
I think he’s mulatto. Has to be.
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LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBognMAW9Es
has no moves?!
December 27th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Zymurge, Greg Papa aside, what’s your REAL reason for not wanting to see Pryor play?
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For the same reason I’ve been saying all year. He is not the answer. It’s called cutting your losses. As a Raiders fan I don’t want to see them wasting time, energy, coaching resources, or clout with the team by continued investment in what is going to fail.
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I feel the same exact way as you do. The words you typed, identical to what I believe. But not about Pryor. About Dennis Allen.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
I didn’t say that I believed Leinart will do well. I said he’s shown more to earn this one premier opportunity. Ultimately, the starting decision will dictate who the staff believes has the more realistic need to preview their skills for next year’s roster.
Of course when they pick Leinart, all of you will go on and pretend that from your couches that you know so much more than professional coaches, GMs, journalists, and everyone else that gets paid to do this. So if they are your definition of stupid, then go ahead lump me in with all of them.
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Thats exactly what you’re doing isn’t it?
Its pretty obvious you have an issue with Pryor.
I usually do not get caught up in the racist crap on this blog but you obviously think Pryor is stupid
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It’s soo obvious yet he thinks no one knows……..lol
December 27th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Commitment To Excellence Apologist Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
The possibility of sinking to new lows is very real if Reggie retains this staff for next season. We can sink lower.
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Oh I agree.
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Not to worry, NFL.Com reporting that Ray Anderson is in running for front office job next year – long time favorite of Mark Davis (meaning that was on Al Davis’ to do list for Mark if he ever died)
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I like this potential hire, but wasn’t Mark suppose to do that before hiring a GM?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Im really sick of the BS from DA.
He says they are splitting time. TP says he’s only getting 3-4 reps. Ya, that sounds like a fair shake to me. WTF is going on here.
Is Pryor that bad and they are protecting him from himself? Do they really see him as a long term solution and they are doing their best not to rush him? Because from TP’s answers and support of the staff, it really seems like that is the case.
But it’s equally hard to believe. Im going to set the over/under on plays for TP at 10 this week. And Im taking the under. I have no faith in this coaching staff giving this kid a fair shake. He cant possibly be as bad as they say he is considering he’s supposedly a film rat and one of the hardest working players on the team.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
RaidO Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
The only reason Leinart is on the team is because of Knapp. Both suck and should be gone next year.
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Trade knapp and lienart for a 5th rounder.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
For the same reason I’ve been saying all year. He is not the answer. It’s called cutting your losses. As a Raiders fan I don’t want to see them wasting time, energy, coaching resources, or clout with the team by continued investment in what is going to fail.
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They haven’t “wasted any time on him” lol. You sound like a racist, in saying he is preordained to fail at QB.
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That’s no more of a racist statement than saying the will succeed. I could care less what race he is. I only care if he can succeed or not for the Raiders. I think, that regardless of his race, he lacks the intelligence to do so based on evidence that I’ve seen:
- His wonderlic score of 7 (although refuted and might be as a high as whopping 14) when there’s a preponderence of evidence that says QBs under a 21 wonderlic do not succeed.
- Listening to Plunkett in preseason making excuses for him and how difficult it is to relay the call directly into his ears from the speakers in his helmet to the huddle 5 seconds later. Have you EVER heard this mentioned about any other QB?
- Watching Gruden treat him like a frickin 3rd grader on his QB Camp show and then hearing (granted 3rd party) that Gruden quoted off line that, “That kid is dumb as f^k!”
- The report from Papa based on his first hand observation that this late into the season he can’t learn the 60 plays and is still screwing up how many step drops to take.
That’s a decent amount of evidence that states one direction. Sure, you can try to refute any or all individually. Meanwhile, I’ve seen ZERO evidence that shows anything positive about his ability to learn the system. Weigh those against each other, and a conclusion you get.
To say that they haven’t wasted any time on his is ludicrous. If he’s on the roster, the coaches are spending time with him. If he flops, that was wasted time. The same can be said for the time spent so far with McClain. They realized it wasn’t the future, so they cut their losses. Now they need to do the same with Al’s last Scholarship and move things forward.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Hey I ran into Pryor the other day at El Pollo Loco(no really I did)
and he seems to have a great grasp of the playbook and the whole situation. he told me he did so were cool. No worries
December 27th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Nice evidence. I can see how you came to your conclusion now.
My Bad!!
December 27th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
TP ran a pro style offense at Ohio state for 3 years.
Terrelle Pryor – 2010 Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBognMAW9Es
December 27th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
That’s a decent amount of evidence that states one direction. Sure, you can try to refute any or all individually. Meanwhile, I’ve seen ZERO evidence that shows anything positive about his ability to learn the system. Weigh those against each other, and a conclusion you get.
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That’s your opinion Zymurge. Got it, ok?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
The bottom line is we have a redneck coach trying hush up a young talented QB and slow the wave of the futureat least in this org.His attitude is their is enough of this stuff going on and I will not be forced to coach it and help it take off. He is dead set against Pryor ever doing anything if he can help it.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Considering what Pryor did in the preseason against the Lions…
It’s amazing that some here arent curious to see what he can do in a real game with a few weeks of 1st team reps under his belt.
Anyone who is not curious obviously has a agenda because their really is no reason to play Leinart at this point or Palmer in the weeks past. It has accomplished nothing.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Commitment To Excellence Apologist Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
The possibility of sinking to new lows is very real if Reggie retains this staff for next season. We can sink lower.
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Oh I agree.
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Not to worry, NFL.Com reporting that Ray Anderson is in running for front office job next year – long time favorite of Mark Davis (meaning that was on Al Davis’ to do list for Mark if he ever died)
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I like this potential hire, but wasn’t Mark suppose to do that before hiring a GM?
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In all honesty, this guy had no plan in place if Al Davis died…it was all on the run, with Wolf, Madden he had to decide on the direction of a 40 year franchise in what? 3 months?! Not to mention, no experience with personnel or scouting…he had no choice. His best move was to get a brain trust to help him decide how to move forward.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
There was a Poll in the Tribune the other day. 89.5 wanted to see Pryor start.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Talent speaks the loudest, Pryor needs DA and Knapp like he needs a hole in the head.(ok so the coaches are horrible).
If Pryor can’t prove out with his talent it doesn’t matter who the coach is with talent like his most coaches with a brain canot deny it.(ok so Pryor is so good even the coaches can’t screw him up.
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Wow. Pryor is so good ever the coaches can’t screw him up?
Bold statement, Priest, that could come back to bite you in the azz.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Considering what Pryor did in the preseason against the Lions…
It’s amazing that some here arent curious to see what he can do in a real game with a few weeks of 1st team reps under his belt.
Anyone who is not curious obviously has a agenda because their really is no reason to play Leinart at this point or Palmer in the weeks past. It has accomplished nothing.
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“I’ll be a great player in this league..i know i will”
-T.Pryor
just heard that from his interview with CSN. he believes it, he just has to get the opportunity, and I dont think Allen wants the guy to embarrass himself v. a rival..even in a throw away finale in a double loss season. He appears to be saying the right things.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/pryor-its-opportunity-and-i-look-forward-it
Things that you do that are “boring” are the things that make you great.
(film study)
December 27th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
The bottom line is we have a redneck coach trying hush up a young talented QB and slow the wave of the futureat least in this org.His attitude is their is enough of this stuff going on and I will not be forced to coach it and help it take off. He is dead set against Pryor ever doing anything if he can help it.
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SO NOW YOU’RE CALLING DENNIS ALLEN RACIST?
Does your hate mongoring ever stop?
Ever?
Why do you hate white people like you do?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is faced with the task of preparing game plans for two quarterbacks with distinct skill sets — Leinart the pure pocket passer, Pryor the mobile, athletic quarterback.
Yet, Knapp isn’t fazed
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Knapp surmized that neither skill is required in the NFL as shown by his previous play calling in the past 15 games. He said he will simply continue to close his eyes and put up one finger for sweep left and two fingers for sweep right and three for an interception..
December 27th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Why is my belief, that a given individual, white, black or green, is not smart is considered racist? There are people of every creed and color that have a wide range of intelligence. The particular person I’m talking about has a lot of evidence to say he’s not very bright and he is black.
I can also tell you that Kaep is very bright and that is why he is succeeding as well as he can in Harbaugh’s onorthodox offense. No way could Pryor succeed in that same system but it’s complex. Is that racist that I say one smart black guy can succeed where another not-so-bright black guy can’t?
Or is it more racist for someone to assume that because I’m calling a person — because of evidence and not his skin color — not smart that it makes me racist? Stereotyping is as stereotyping does, so you might want to look in the mirror before making accusations.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
The bottom line is we have a redneck coach trying hush up a young talented QB and slow the wave of the futureat least in this org.His attitude is their is enough of this stuff going on and I will not be forced to coach it and help it take off. He is dead set against Pryor ever doing anything if he can help it.
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SO NOW YOU’RE CALLING DENNIS ALLEN RACIST?
Does your hate mongoring ever stop?
Ever?
Why do you hate white people like you do?
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You little piece of schit, you feel like a big shot impersonating me?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Considering what Pryor did in the preseason against the Lions…
It’s amazing that some here arent curious to see what he can do in a real game with a few weeks of 1st team reps under his belt.
Anyone who is not curious obviously has a agenda because their really is no reason to play Leinart at this point or Palmer in the weeks past. It has accomplished nothing.
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“I’ll be a great player in this league..i know i will”
-T.Pryor
just heard that from his interview with CSN. he believes it, he just has to get the opportunity, and I dont think Allen wants the guy to embarrass himself v. a rival..even in a throw away finale in a double loss season. He appears to be saying the right things.
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Pryor always says the right things.
And considering his hasnt even shown the slightest hint at throwing this staff under the bus, Im wondering if they are all on the same page. As in, Pryor really has the belief that this staff is committed to developing him the right way, as slow as possible, and truly setting him up for success. That’s always a possibility.
Because, in all reality, there is nothing wrong with being too patient with a young QB as raw as TP.
Im just playing devils advocate here. Personally, I think this staff is screwing him. But the smart money says they may have a great plan at work here with TP and that is why TP has been so patient and saying all the right stuff. He knows their plan and is on board with it. Just a theory.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
The bottom line is we have a redneck coach trying hush up a young talented QB and slow the wave of the futureat least in this org.His attitude is their is enough of this stuff going on and I will not be forced to coach it and help it take off. He is dead set against Pryor ever doing anything if he can help it.
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SO NOW YOU’RE CALLING DENNIS ALLEN RACIST?
Does your hate mongoring ever stop?
Ever?
Why do you hate white people like you do?
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Allen takes his orders from McKenzie, so we know who the real racist is. Reggie clearly has it out for freckle-less non-red heads!
December 27th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Priest? I have to ask you.
I’ve heard you talk on the radio, as others have. And the general consensus is that you sound illiterate, and pretty slow. Lot’s of slurring your words. Kind of a deep south drawl.
Do you hate whites because you blame them for you sounding illiterate?
Is it really their fault?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
The bottom line is we have a redneck coach trying hush up a young talented QB and slow the wave of the futureat least in this org.His attitude is their is enough of this stuff going on and I will not be forced to coach it and help it take off. He is dead set against Pryor ever doing anything if he can help it.
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SO NOW YOU’RE CALLING DENNIS ALLEN RACIST?
Does your hate mongoring ever stop?
Ever?
Why do you hate white people like you do?
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Allen takes his orders from McKenzie, so we know who the real racist is. Reggie clearly has it out for freckle-less non-red heads!
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That’s not my post Zymurge, it obviously comes from one of you people.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Pryor always says the right things.
And considering his hasnt even shown the slightest hint at throwing this staff under the bus, Im wondering if they are all on the same page. As in, Pryor really has the belief that this staff is committed to developing him the right way, as slow as possible, and truly setting him up for success. That’s always a possibility.
Because, in all reality, there is nothing wrong with being too patient with a young QB as raw as TP.
Im just playing devils advocate here. Personally, I think this staff is screwing him. But the smart money says they may have a great plan at work here with TP and that is why TP has been so patient and saying all the right stuff. He knows their plan and is on board with it. Just a theory.
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Can you even imagine how jacked up it would be if Pryor actually does believe this and they Shvt can him. That would be devestating to him.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
I’m not arguing your reasoning Zymurge but I am about sick to f*ck of Knapp and his O. I didn’t see the Panther game due to DVR snafu and a preponderance of snow and tourons on I80 but doesn’t sound like Leinert exactly ripped up Charlotte Stadium.
So it’s a waste of resources to play Pryor and yet it is not so to play Leinert.
I say Knapp is ghandi next week and ergo Leinert’s stock goes WAAAYYY down as he was solely brought in due to Knappy’s familiarity with each other. So he’s gone too.
But Pryor who is much younger and with at least football ability (if not QB) has a shot at making the roster in ‘13. So if playing him at QB this sunday helps him learn his route tree, I am ALL for it…
December 27th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Considering what Pryor did in the preseason against the Lions…
It’s amazing that some here arent curious to see what he can do in a real game with a few weeks of 1st team reps under his belt.
Anyone who is not curious obviously has a agenda because their really is no reason to play Leinart at this point or Palmer in the weeks past. It has accomplished nothing.
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“I’ll be a great player in this league..i know i will”
-T.Pryor
just heard that from his interview with CSN. he believes it, he just has to get the opportunity, and I dont think Allen wants the guy to embarrass himself v. a rival..even in a throw away finale in a double loss season. He appears to be saying the right things.
———–
Pryor always says the right things.
And considering his hasnt even shown the slightest hint at throwing this staff under the bus, Im wondering if they are all on the same page. As in, Pryor really has the belief that this staff is committed to developing him the right way, as slow as possible, and truly setting him up for success. That’s always a possibility.
Because, in all reality, there is nothing wrong with being too patient with a young QB as raw as TP.
Im just playing devils advocate here. Personally, I think this staff is screwing him. But the smart money says they may have a great plan at work here with TP and that is why TP has been so patient and saying all the right stuff. He knows their plan and is on board with it. Just a theory.
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So the smart money , cut your losses – Palmer injury excuse to deal him while he has value, draft Bray/Murray/Nassib/Glennon or get another vet if you are serious about TP
then, rather than trade down get best OL or DL available .- Matthews/Joeckel/Star then MAYBE another vet receiver, FA DT, rookie pass rusher
and hope for the best in 2013.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Have to ask my brothers something, cuz I keep getting static from my wife, who’s white.
There’s a rumor that brothers are well endowed. That we all are. Well, my wife was expecting king kong dong, and was pretty disappointed. Actually asked me “are you in”?
Does everyone else have this problem? My wife thinks it’s just me.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
KK said:
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That’s not my post Zymurge, it obviously comes from one of you people.
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Is logging in that hard?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Pryor always says the right things.
And considering his hasnt even shown the slightest hint at throwing this staff under the bus, Im wondering if they are all on the same page. As in, Pryor really has the belief that this staff is committed to developing him the right way, as slow as possible, and truly setting him up for success. That’s always a possibility.
Because, in all reality, there is nothing wrong with being too patient with a young QB as raw as TP.
Im just playing devils advocate here. Personally, I think this staff is screwing him. But the smart money says they may have a great plan at work here with TP and that is why TP has been so patient and saying all the right stuff. He knows their plan and is on board with it. Just a theory.
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Can you even imagine how jacked up it would be if Pryor actually does believe this and they Shvt can him. That would be devestating to him.
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Rip it up in the CFL, come back in a few years and get a huge contract.
may even get another chance somewhere else, since RGIII and Robert Wilson did so well, and Cam Newton has appeared to continue is development…jury is still out on Kaepernick, though.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/pryor-its-opportunity-and-i-look-forward-it
Things that you do that are “boring” are the things that make you great.
(film study)
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Anybody who can still hate this kid after watching this film is obviously just a hater and no way looking out for the best interest of this org. They just hate this kid……….period
December 27th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Ha i knew somebody would bring up “Racist” with the TP situation. Not Racist but it makes absolutely no sense why he has not played more. We do not know the real motive behind this frickin circus.
According to TP in his interview sounds like he only got 3 snaps in practice. What the %^&*??
FIRE DA!!!
December 27th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
KK said:
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That’s not my post Zymurge, it obviously comes from one of you people.
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Is logging in that hard?
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Lol.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Have to ask my brothers something, cuz I keep getting static from my wife, who’s white.
There’s a rumor that brothers are well endowed. That we all are. Well, my wife was expecting king kong dong, and was pretty disappointed. Actually asked me “are you in”?
Does everyone else have this problem? My wife thinks it’s just me.}
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No problem here – my asian wife says its big and it hurts on occasion…white cicks i dated before said it was nice and thick…LOL
if this is the REAL Kell saying this.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Have to ask my brothers something, cuz I keep getting static from my wife, who’s white.
There’s a rumor that brothers are well endowed. That we all are. Well, my wife was expecting king kong dong, and was pretty disappointed. Actually asked me “are you in”?
Does everyone else have this problem?
My wife thinks it’s just me.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/pryor-its-opportunity-and-i-look-forward-it
Things that you do that are “boring” are the things that make you great.
(film study)
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Anybody who can still hate this kid after watching this film is obviously just a hater and no way looking out for the best interest of this org. They just hate this kid……….period
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If he ripped it up v. San Diego…i mean really did well, it would be the ONE promising thing after a very disappointing season.
that being said, expect Leinart and some gadget plays…then Newton put in after were behind…
December 27th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Have to ask my brothers something, cuz I keep getting static from my wife, who’s white.
There’s a rumor that brothers are well endowed. That we all are. Well, my wife was expecting king kong dong, and was pretty disappointed. Actually asked me “are you in”?
Does everyone else have this problem?
My wife thinks it’s just me.
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hysterical!
December 27th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
I have the same problem but I don’t trip
December 27th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
I ran into Javon Walker this afternoon on the Strip…inviting me over to his New Year’s Party at the Wynn.
Don’t know if I’ll be attending…I think I’ll be in SoCal, maybe SD for Sundays game!
December 27th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
When you say something like Pryor CAN NEVER BE A NFL QB, as if it preordained that he doesn’t have the intelligence to play the position, particularly these days. Never having seen the guy play. Sounds racist to me.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
I’m glad to hear you have the same “problem” Kell.
I used to say “it’s not how you drive, it’s how you arrive” when my gal would reach down and clamp on.
She would reply “so arrive already”.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Why is my belief, that a given individual, white, black or green, is not smart is considered racist? There are people of every creed and color that have a wide range of intelligence. The particular person I’m talking about has a lot of evidence to say he’s not very bright and he is black.
I can also tell you that Kaep is very bright and that is why he is succeeding as well as he can in Harbaugh’s onorthodox offense. No way could Pryor succeed in that same system but it’s complex. Is that racist that I say one smart black guy can succeed where another not-so-bright black guy can’t?
Or is it more racist for someone to assume that because I’m calling a person — because of evidence and not his skin color — not smart that it makes me racist? Stereotyping is as stereotyping does, so you might want to look in the mirror before making accusations
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Dude you are a Bigot, stop begging!!!!!!!
You are not the only one but you are one….
December 27th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
· KoolKell Says:
April 1st, 2010 at 11:41 pm
Priesttj
You’re a puffed up clown.
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Real or not, back in 2010 this was you Kell.
Watch your words, boy.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
· KoolKell Says:
January 11th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Hue Jackson wishes he could take back his final press conference
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/11/hue-jackson-wishes-he-could-take-back-his-final-press-conference/
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So your Uncle Tom azz is now dumping on Hue?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
You wrote this a year ago.
You care to retract your statement?
· KoolKell Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Reggie McKenzie is a dream come true. Mentored by Ron Wolf?!? C’mon.
Finally, competent football management.
Soooooo happy.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
I’ve watched Pryor talk and play for anyone to assume he’s dumb is obvious what their agenda is. That kid is far from dumb and he knows that playbook. Now lets see how he does executing it and making plays.
Why are you sooo scared to see him if he is soo dumb???
Boy! as if I don’t know……
December 27th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Are you really a snitch, Kell?
Seriously..that’s whack..period!!
December 27th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Read today that Pryor said that he wasn’t ready. That the coaches are taking care of him.
He’s so confused he can’t see through their charade…period!!
December 27th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
So getting off the Pryor thing, here’s some bad news for next year. The following players, all of which have raised the NFL stock as members of the Raiders in 2012 (not that this would seem possible the way some of you characterize every part of this team
) are all going to unrestricted free agents:
Adams
Bryant
Carter
Hanson
Mitchell
Myers
Ross
Stewart
Wheeler
Plus a few others that might not have raised their stock but that are reasonably attractive free agents nonetheless:
Goodson
Lechler
Mitchell
Shaughnessy
The cap still is not in great shape. Some of the super high priced players that are cut candidates due to their current 2013 price tags (Seymour, Kelly, DMac, Palmer, Huff, DHB, McClain) all come with accelerated bouns hits that make them expensive against the cap to cut. With that in mind, which of the above get resigned and for how much, assuming that for some of the guys their demand will go up and so will their price tag?
December 27th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Could we all at LEAST agree that college highlight reels are completely meaningless?
There are prolly NAIA Qb’s that have some amazing highlight reels.
December 27th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
We can read the paper, thanks.
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Staley. Iupati. Bowman. Goldson. Gore. Aldon Smith. Justim Smith. Donte Williams. Patrick Willis.
All starters for the 49ers, in the ProBowl.
Raiders starters: zero
December 27th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Hey Troll-I see you hate us brothas huh?
You never come in here with this crap when the good ole boy network is in here.
I know, you’re just doing what you know best…..
December 27th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
I’m glad to hear you have the same “problem” Kell.
I used to say “it’s not how you drive, it’s how you arrive” when my gal would reach down and clamp on.
She would reply “so arrive already”.
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My wife calls me “Mini-Me” lol
December 27th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Steal my handle all you want but until you can stop me from using it, YOU LOSE!
December 27th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
I’ve watched Pryor talk and play for anyone to assume he’s dumb is obvious what their agenda is. That kid is far from dumb and he knows that playbook. Now lets see how he does executing it and making plays.
Why are you sooo scared to see him if he is soo dumb???
Boy! as if I don’t know……
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I’ve never called him dumb. That’s what Gruden was reported to have said, I only quoted it
What I said is that he’s not smart enough to play QB in the NFL. There’s a big gap between dumb and the level of IQ needed to play this level of QB. Pryor falls somewhere in between, as do many people on this planet.
Or are you now going to try and claim that he is well above average IQ, since that is what the studies and evidence show is required to be successful at this level? Because he can speak? YOU claim that he knows the playbook. Based on what? What he says? Or what his coaches say?
Why are you sooo desparate to believe that it’s not possible for him to be not smart enough for this job?
Boy! as if I didn’t know …
December 27th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
This troll is busier than a one legged man in a ass kicking contest…..
December 27th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
I know what YOU said, I know what you mean….
December 27th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
We can read the paper, thanks.
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Staley. Iupati. Bowman. Goldson. Gore. Aldon Smith. Justim Smith. Donte Williams. Patrick Willis.
All starters for the 49ers, in the ProBowl.
Raiders starters: zero
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I wanted Iupati that year over McClain. Cable loved him too after the Senior Bowl. But drafting a Guard at 8, nobody does that.
We’d be a lot better off right now though. Some players just have 100% beast in them, and you know theyre going to excel at their position for years. Iupati is one of those guys. And he’ll be doing for the 9ers for years. They wont even have to think twice about that position for a long time.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Hey Troll-I see you hate us brothas huh?
You never come in here with this crap when the good ole boy network is in here.
I know, you’re just doing what you know best…..
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You think it’s because we always say stupid things, like keep running the race card?
Or blame coaches because black qb’s don’t succeed, instead of stating maybe it’s the qb, and not the coaches?
I think maybe it’s because you keep saying stupid things like Vince Young is vastly better than Jay Cutler? or you guaranteeing Russell is going to break every qb record in the NFL?
Sometimes we do say stupid things, you know?
December 27th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
We all know it’s the same troll every time . He goes by Madden Raider , Alex 7 , Albert Bigalow Paine , Klas , what others am I missing ? You can tell by the writing style and super annoying posts. Are you the Beech dawg as well was not sure yet … lol
December 27th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Dude if you want to argue, do it under your own name stop trollng or is it that you don’t wnat to reveal WHO you really are…….lol
Go ahead surprise us………lol
December 27th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
OK I should’ve known…that tells me a lot it’s the mods, for sure now.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Dennis Allen is a complete failure ! Every thing he says is BS ! I would not trust is evaluating skills since he EVALUATED that Greg Knapp is a GREAT OC !The dudes a fckn dumass!
December 27th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Ok, I’ll admit it. I was wrong on the comment below.
big time. Rolando let me down.
Priesttj12 Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
I would bet there are many more who wanted to do what Rolando did than anyone would ever think. I’ve been saying it for weeks this team is demoralized.
I said it long ago this is Rolando’s and every player in defenses 3rd scheme in 3 years. And you guys want a well disciplined scheme well keep wishing. It takes years not months half that defenses was turned over. Yet they want Rolando to take all the blame. That kid is 23 y/o and 3 NFL systems since his rookie year. His freaking head is on a swivel. He doesn’t knwo the players around him a trust the system at a high level.
No ONE takes any of this into consideration for him just BLAME him. It aint fair but it is what it is, if i were him I would be begging to get the hell outta here………….period
December 27th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
MR either knows a mod or he is one….
December 27th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Ok, I might have beenb wrng about Rolando, but this post I stand by
Priesttj12 Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Pryor did what he did in college on pure athletic ability his mechanics made it difficult to be consistently accurate but that is all he needed. A trained eye can see but it’s very difficult to explain on a kepboard I hve to show you what I saw.
The average scout would not draft Pryor because he’s seeing what he is NOW not what he can become with development. What he lacked can be taught what he has tons of cannot……….period
December 27th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Oops. I just said the avg scout would not draft Pryor.
What was I thinkin?
Was I thinkin?
Irregardless, he has tons of what he cannot be taught…period
December 27th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
MR either knows a mod or he is one….
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The only thing we know about MR is that he loves his cousins juicy t!ttis and is DTF her or him . Maybe thats why he likes Dennis Allen so much, he reminds him of his cousins rack …
December 27th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
See what I mean the MR is a MODERATOR!
December 27th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
· priesttj Says:
April 9th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Oh! and let’s not forget Mayocks jock sniffing on Jay Cutler over VY. He tried his best to get Cutler drafted higher than VY but the GM’s didn’t buy it so far the best of those 3 QB’s is VY by a long way!!
Mayock is a sucka…………..period
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Amnyone have a problem with this?
You look back. Young was a lot better player than Cutler…period.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Where’s SeymourBush? He’ll back up this.
· priesttj Says:
April 8th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Seymour Bush, Amen sir !! I get so tired of these knownothin’s who pretent to read minds know intimate details of someones life eventhough if they meyt that person they wouldn’t know them from Adam who’s been dead for 6K years.
MR and KK are two of a kind both clueless but have no clue that they are.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
From an intangibles and rah-rah standpoint, I think TP brings the most to the table amongst our 3 QB’s.
Palmer and Leinart are just so damn uninspiring. Ready to look at the ground and sulk at a moments notice.
TP has some Gradkowski fire to him, that much you got to love from the kid.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
You look back. Young was a lot better player than Cutler…period.
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Yay Cutler is doing great in Chi town . Another epic collapse and not make the playoffs . Atleast he gets to bone the girl from Laguna beach !
December 27th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Someone said my comment below, made 2 1/2 yrs ago, sounds the same now that i’m saying bout Pryor.
It’s not, but it’s close because they still trying to keep a brother down.
priesttj Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
While all you haters are namecalling Russell and professing him to be lazy and dumb. He is tearing it up in camp and he has the coaches attention. He loks good and is taking this team back on a day by day basis.
So say whatever you wish and hate all you want Russell is putting his stamp on that position as we speak……….period
December 27th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Leinart thinks he deserves to start, understands need to play Pryor Matt Leinart is like any other quarterback in that he wants to play and not spend every week preparing for an opportunity that never comes. Yet, he’s also cognizant of the fact that the Raiders need to take a long look at second-year quarterbac… [...]
December 27th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Pryor just looks like he WANTS TO WIN ! Carson looks like he just doesn’t care and can’t wait to go home to Del Mar…
December 27th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Keep ‘em comin’ sonny I just want to see how long you can keep this up…
December 27th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Kell? Got no problem with you marrying a white woman, but bro?
Didn’t looks ever matter?
December 27th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
We know what he said Mod…
December 27th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
So getting off the Pryor thing, here’s some bad news for next year. The following players, all of which have raised the NFL stock as members of the Raiders in 2012 (not that this would seem possible the way some of you characterize every part of this team ) are all going to unrestricted free agents:
Adams
Bryant
Carter
Hanson
Mitchell
Myers
Ross
Stewart
Wheeler
Plus a few others that might not have raised their stock but that are reasonably attractive free agents nonetheless:
Goodson
Lechler
Mitchell
Shaughnessy
The cap still is not in great shape. Some of the super high priced players that are cut candidates due to their current 2013 price tags (Seymour, Kelly, DMac, Palmer, Huff, DHB, McClain) all come with accelerated bouns hits that make them expensive against the cap to cut. With that in mind, which of the above get resigned and for how much, assuming that for some of the guys their demand will go up and so will their price tag?
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Im sure those players stock went up because of these great coaches schemes
, so we can add a bunch more practice squad players and nobodys and turn them into high valued FA’s also, heck we might even be able to trade one or two next year after these coaches get a hold of them 
December 27th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Mod- can u go until midnight? I’ll come back and see, right now I’m bored….
December 27th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Sit around the house…..get high and watch the tube
December 27th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RealtruRaider, 253#that’s pretty funny….
December 27th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
· priesttj Says:
April 10th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
He’s had it his entire career you freakin’ idiot.
Now I think you are racial. Big Ben can have a gut but Russell can’t or he’s LAZY. What you are is a freakin’ HATER……………..period
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Now how is that racist?
Guys says JR has a big gut. I told him he’s racist because why isn’t he bringing up Ben’s gut? Cuz Ben is white, is why.
He replied that B en isn’t on the Raiderrs, that JR is, and we’re talking about Raiders.
Oh. wait.
ohhhhhh. Boy, I feel stupid now.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Mod ur slowing down step it up boy!
December 27th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Steal my handle all you want but until you can stop me from using it, YOU LOSE!
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Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Mod- can u go until midnight? I’ll come back and see, right now I’m bored…
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Game. Set. Match. LOL. Kind of set yourself up there, TJ.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
So far Anthony Barr looking like Sam Williams.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
DA and Knapp are great coaches. NOT!
Get ova it.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
So getting off the Pryor thing, here’s some bad news for next year. The following players, all of which have raised the NFL stock as members of the Raiders in 2012 (not that this would seem possible the way some of you characterize every part of this team ) are all going to unrestricted free agents:
Adams
Bryant
Carter
Hanson
Mitchell
Myers
Ross
Stewart
Wheeler
Plus a few others that might not have raised their stock but that are reasonably attractive free agents nonetheless:
Goodson
Lechler
Mitchell
Shaughnessy
The cap still is not in great shape. Some of the super high priced players that are cut candidates due to their current 2013 price tags (Seymour, Kelly, DMac, Palmer, Huff, DHB, McClain) all come with accelerated bouns hits that make them expensive against the cap to cut. With that in mind, which of the above get resigned and for how much, assuming that for some of the guys their demand will go up and so will their price tag?
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look for Reggie to keep “his guys”, jettison the rest, and keep the productive starts – if he can.
Adams – keep…
Bryant – 50-50 … depending on draft
Carter – gone
Hanson – probably a goner..journeyman nickel backs always get work
Mitchell – DA not a fan, and the C.Newton business after the hit meant trouble
Myers – i’d say he’s had enough and moves on.
Ross – they’ll keep him
Stewart – wont get many looks as RB’s have been devalued.
Wheeler – probably first guy signed, just the type of player Allen wants.
FA
Tracy Porter – may still be in play after an injury filled year, and value will be down
Jonathan Casillas – was with Allen during Saints SB run, could figure as special teamer
LaRod Stephens-Howling – could be the return guy to free up Jacoby Ford for slot receiver
Kyle Wilson – could be worth a trade, as Joey Clinkscales was in front office when they drafted him
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie – up and down player, but for the most part and upgrade, freeing up the draft slot for much needed OL and DL (with Seymour leaving)
Darryl Tapp – was on trade block, likely to be purged as Reid era ends – could be nice nickel rusher behind draft pick or emergency starter, younger than Andre Carter.
Maurice Jones-Drew – fits nicely as a trade partner for McFadden..2 years apart and 2013 salaries similar – a “return home” for Oakland resident.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Raiderlen, What?? lol
Barr has to get stronger..
December 27th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
What’s with the digs from years ago, Priest?
Thought we were done with that garbage?
December 27th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Chaz Powell is on the Packers Practice Squad…..hmmm wonder what Reggie didn’t see in him that the Packers do???? Riddle me that Batman!
December 27th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Gotta give it to him the Troll is good…
December 27th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
From an intangibles and rah-rah standpoint, I think TP brings the most to the table amongst our 3 QB’s.
Palmer and Leinart are just so damn uninspiring. Ready to look at the ground and sulk at a moments notice.
TP has some Gradkowski fire to him, that much you got to love from the kid.
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Lol.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
What’s with the digs from years ago, Priest?
Thought we were done with that garbage?
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Do you feel like a bigshot impersonating me, Tard boy? Smh.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
How did that JR prediction turn out for ya, Priest? lol
December 27th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
I like Cassius Marsh and DJones as very good prospects.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
What’s with the digs from years ago, Priest?
Thought we were done with that garbage?
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Do you feel like a bigshot impersonating me, Tard boy? Smh.
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Oh. Just realized if he’s personing Priest, then I guess saying he feels like a bigshot impersonating me makes me look pathetic and small?
Well, call me Mini-me.
Again, lol
December 27th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Yep, ran into good ol Madden the other day at the Penthouse club (they have great food) he said he thinks Reggie is still a good hire but the whole coaching staff shouldn’t feel comfortable with the way the season played out, he said the coaches should never feel to comfortable and that he could see some changes but thinks DA will be safe for another year
December 27th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Why does everyone call me a snitch?
Just because I contact the mods, pretty much every couple of days, to snitch on posters saying things about me, doesn’t make me a snitch, does it?
You cool with that, Priest?
December 27th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
You guys remember when I ran Into Randy Moss at Safeway? Don’t know what his thing was, but he saw me and actually started running across the parking lot, trying to get away from me.
Don’t know who he thought I was..kept yelling “it’s that crazy guy they be talking about…”
??
December 27th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
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December 27th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Pryor is going to break every Raider record. I’ve seen him play, and if we don’t develope him, he will come back and dance on our grave…period
December 27th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Why do people pretend to be someone else online?
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Because they are pathetic losers whose real personality can’t withstand the interaction the internet provides.
It’s true that the internet, as well as this Answer Forum are home to a few psychopaths. Just look around you ;^)
But seriously, pretending to be someone else, especially someone of the opposite sex and or pretending to be a different age is very creapy to me.
The news always has stories about someone pretending to be a kid or woman or something and getting caught. This isn’t funny because people get hurt and sometimes killed by these freaks.
And I repeat, this is not funny or cute. It’s sick.
My avatar is as close as I could get to what I look like, but I’m 50 years old.
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The internet forums.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Man Baylor is running 7 on 7 drills on UCLA. Mora should be ashamed of himself.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Didn’t you meet your wife at a “Bowsers-at-the-bar” night, Kell?
You think you can introduce me to a white woman that will work, while I sit at home, doing nothing, like you do Kell?
December 27th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Kell? You are actually being led by the nose from this guy?
You are looking for articles to post?
You are playing into his hands, man.
You don’t see that? he’s barking, and you’re taking the bait…period
December 27th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
You were busted a long time ago with other handles, Kell, so posting why people do wht they do just reflex back on you man.
December 27th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
2 min left for shots night.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Oakland
Tarek from NYC: If Dennis Allen stays in Oakland for another year, do Tarver and Knapp comeback as well? Hopefully we have seen the end of Knapp in Oakland.
BW: I’d think Knapp may be in some trouble. I could see Tarver getting more time. But it may be above Allen. If Mark Davis wants anybody gone, they’ll be gone.
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I sure hope Mark wants him gone, fire the bum right after the game and don’t let him on the plane, give TP his seat also
December 27th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Looks like Anthony Barr decided to go back to school and took the night off.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Yeah Barr has not flashed a single move yet with any intention to get to the QB.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:01 am
Carson Palmer:
8 wins , 17 losses
37 TD’s , 36 turnovers
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raiderrockstar:
does not understand football.
999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
Dr Bob,
you’re right man. Please continue telling us why everybody else is to blame except Palmer. break down every turnover and point out CP’s flawless execution
I know you’re a stats guy. peep this
2010 Bengals with Palmer:
4-12. last place in the AFC North
Bengals without Palmer, 9 wins each season. playoff team
December 27th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Barr no hustle on the end around. I’m stopping the DVR. Nothing to see here.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Allen said Pryor and Leinart split the reps evenly at practice Wednesday, though Pryor made it sound as if Leinart received the majority of the snaps.
“Matt started with the first team for a good bit, and I was getting like the last two or three snaps,” Pryor said.
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Mark & Reggie are just sitting back letting DA do his thing. I think Dennis & Greg are the only guys on the planet enamored with Matt Leinart (he sucks!)
December 27th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
This UCLA defense is awful. Gonna watch Clippers/Celtics.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
lienhart said he wouldve loved to throw deep more often but it wasnt in the gameplan….
December 27th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
The Raiders are 72 hours or so away from their regular-season finale against the San Diego Chargers. As each day passes, it becomes more and more apparent that defensive tackle Richard Seymour, right guard Mike Brisiel and strong safety Tyvon Branch won’t be able to play, at least at full strength.
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hopefully all 3 are wearing different colors next year. not worthy of silver & black!!
December 27th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
This UCLA defense is awful.
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they should have a scrimmage against Oakland, get their confidence up
December 27th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
I know it’s only one game but the only difference I see between Anthony Barr and RoMac is the police report.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
My Raiders are garbage. When Reggie fired Hue he was starting the purge process of all things Al. He screwed up. Al never would have fired Hue. He woulda canned Chucky B but never Hue. Reggie messed up. 4-12 = regression. Got that? Regression. What was the damn big idea anyway? Didn’t they know how close they were? Apparently not.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Seymour finally IR’d … think Crawford or Tollefson will be active this week?
or maybe Brandon Bair gets brought up from the p-squad?
December 27th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
This UCLA defense is awful.
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they should have a scrimmage against Oakland, get their confidence up
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Hell no!!! They are terrible and Knapp wouldn’t let us hear the end of it.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
lmao at crawford….guy is on more milk cartons than bergstrom…
December 27th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
lienhart said he wouldve loved to throw deep more often but it wasnt in the gameplan….
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Knapp only knows horizontal plays for negative yards. He sucks. Like UCLA is doin.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Attn: Primordial Ooze
2011 Raiders & 2012 Raiders are two very different teams. very different rosters. plus a new owner & gm
it’s impossible to assume that Hue Jackson versus the 3 guys they brought in to replace him (Allen, Knapp & DeFillipo) made all the difference between 8 wins and 4!
you casual raiders fans are ’simple’
December 27th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
yeah…sucks when even a dimwitted hollywood boy has more huevos than the coach…
December 27th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Owen Schmitt would drop 150 on this defense. And would spend next two days in hospital after getting (8) IV bags.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
crawford….guy is on more milk cartons than bergstrom…
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true true
Reggie’s best “pick” was undrafted. I like Miles Burris though. he’ll beast next season imo
December 27th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Attn: Primordial Ooze
2011 Raiders & 2012 Raiders are two very different teams. very different rosters. plus a new owner & gm
it’s impossible to assume that Hue Jackson versus the 3 guys they brought in to replace him (Allen, Knapp & DeFillipo) made all the difference between 8 wins and 4!
you casual raiders fans are ’simple’
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Talking to yourself, loser? Lol.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Baylor had 13 sacks TOTAL on the year. They have 5 before halftime tonight.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Kell,
whats with the name calling? lonely?
December 27th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Attn: Primordial Ooze
2011 Raiders & 2012 Raiders are two very different teams. very different rosters. plus a new owner & gm
it’s impossible to assume that Hue Jackson versus the 3 guys they brought in to replace him (Allen, Knapp & DeFillipo) made all the difference between 8 wins and 4!
you casual raiders fans are ’simple’
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We were coming out of the dark times and poised to get better. All we needed was a legit DC and a few tweaks to go with a bit of continuity that was emerging with Hue. DA and Reggie have yet to inspire any confidence with their moves. And knapp has proven to be a legit mistake. DHB Dmac and DMoore were expected to have a better year with CP and a new season. We’ve regressed.
It may be impossible to say what it woulda been like with Hue here this year but its not to difficult to say we’ve sucked hind tit this year.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
I would think that primordial ooze wouldn’t exactly be in the greatest position to criticize regression…look in the mirror, if you have eyes, or simply change your handle to paramecium.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Attn: Primordial Ooze
Bresnahan was better than Tarver, or maybe he just had more to work with …
to say this team was rising with Hue at HC would be false. Tom Cable had this team at 8-8 before he got fired
Reggie inherited a mess and couldn’t afford to keep some key players: Campbell, Bush, Schilens, Boss, Satele on offense. Henderson, Wimbley, Scott, Routt, CJ37 on defense
continuity would be nice, but the same guy asking for it wants to fire Allen & Knapp less than 1 year into the job?
December 27th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Attn: Primordial Ooze
Bresnahan was better than Tarver, or maybe he just had more to work with …
to say this team was rising with Hue at HC would be false. Tom Cable had this team at 8-8 before he got fired
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Tom Cable and Hue Jackson had the team at 8-8. Carly by himself had this team at 5-11
December 27th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Carly by himself had this team at 5-11
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I add 3 wins due to Wylie & Wiz as O-Line coaches, but whatever.
December 27th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Brandon myers is the best story of the 2012 Oakland raiders!
Can you say EPIC FAIL?
December 27th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
I really hope nobody signs Seymour and Kelly next year, it’s obvious Seymour wants to cash himself out elsewhere so he didn’t hurt his body this season and Kelly is playing as hard as he can the last 2 games so one team pays him what he wants, shame on both.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Please fire Dennis Allen the day after the season ends.
Bring in a real head coach like Gruden.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 4:01 am
Carson Palmer:
8 wins , 17 losses
37 TD’s , 36 turnovers
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raiderrockstar:
does not understand football.
999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
Dr Bob,
you’re right man. Please continue telling us why everybody else is to blame except Palmer. break down every turnover and point out CP’s flawless execution
I know you’re a stats guy. peep this
2010 Bengals with Palmer:
4-12. last place in the AFC North
Bengals without Palmer, 9 wins each season. playoff team
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Phenomenal question. Can’t wait to hear your answer Doc.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
I really hope nobody signs Seymour and Kelly next year
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Kelly is still under contract and I don’t think he’s going anywhere unless Reggie has a backup plan. Bryant is legit and Houston can play inside
ShoNasty is a free agent though, too. not just Seymour
I hope we can re-sign Matt at a decent rate and let Big Sey walk. he’ll probably sign a 1-year deal to play for the Pats again @ vet minimum
I wonder if Arizona would trade us DT Dan Williams for McClain, straight up?
1st rounder from the same draft that hasn’t done much in his first 3 seasons..
December 27th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Anyone who makes absolute statements that Pryor “cant” pass, “sucks” etc is prejudiced or parroting people who have an agenda against him getting more opportunity. For instance, there are beat writers and radio hosts who are shills for Allen/Reggie. Just like they’ve been talking up Knapp thru the season, talking up how Allen has been driving accountability, etc. When there was clear evidence that Knapp sucked and Allen was playing favorites. Same goes for parroting anything certain writers/commentators say about Pryor. You’re setting yourself up to trust their word.
Pryor knows he’s not 100% ready, but he’s certainly sufficiently capable at playing QB. He played for three years at OSU with pro-style packages. He CAN throw the ball and very well. He DOES go thru progressions and CAN read coverages pre-snap, etc.
You have to consider when everything you do is mainly theoretical (film study, reading playbooks), and there’s very little reps for you, it makes it harder to get everything down pat. Reps, by definition, repetitions, is EXACTLY what players need to fully absorb what they’re learning theoretically, and thus get better at it, iron out little errors, etc.
The ceiling for Pryor is astronomically higher than a washed up Leinart. Even tho Leinart knows the playbook better, there’s nothing to be gained starting him or even playing him for drives here and there. Even if you give Pryor a half of the playbook cut down, that’s all you need to get Pryor out there for a full game, giving him enough plays to both evaluate his play as well as to speed along his development, acclimate him to playing, build up momentum and confidence PHYSICALLY doing all the things he’s been studying.
I’m hoping Ray Anderson gets hired asap, so that he can curtail Reggie/Allen from gutting this roster further, so that his presence forces Reggie to realize his GM job isn’t to be taken lightly, can sit around for 3-5 years, forces Reggie to make Allen and staff likewise accountable and have to work to save their jobs. None of this continuity for continuity’s sake. None of this self-protection, avoiding looking like they made mistakes or have to admit it by not firing coaches mid-season etc, which has been happening.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Brandon myers is the best story of the 2012 Oakland raiders!
Can you say EPIC FAIL?
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no kidding, Dakota
my man G123 was acting like we’d be in some serious trouble at TE if we didn’t sign Jeremy Shockey or Visante Shaincoe before the season started #whiff
December 27th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
GG,
i’m with you. I wanted Pryor to start the last 5 games of this season!!
the guys had 1 snap all of last season and only 6 snaps so far this season?
pathetic!!
odds are Palmer will be back next season and start every game. but hey – Aaron Rodgers sat for 3 full seasons too and look at him
December 27th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Can you say EPIC FAIL?
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Mitt Romney?
December 27th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Damn. Just walked outside to take a leak and damn if I didn’t step in a big heaping pile of dog dung. It is really hard to get it out of the carpet and my waffle soled boots. And it smells. That’s just the icing on the cake to a great season. Go figure. Now my house stinks. Ugh.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Brandon myers is the best story of the 2012 Oakland raiders!
Can you say EPIC FAIL?
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didn’t see this coming? Everywhere Knapp has been, the TE has been heavily used. He’s made nobodies into fantasy studs over and over:
2003, Jed Weaver doubles his career best catches and yards with the whiners with Knapp as OC. Did nothing after.
2004-2006 Alge Crumpler has the three best years of his career with Knapp as OC of the Falcons
2007-2008 Zach Miller catches 100 passes in the first two seasons of his career (although he continued to get better two more years) with Knapp as OC of the Raiders
2009 Jon Carlson in Seattle was already a 50+ reception guy, which he continued under Knapp that season but went from 1 to 7 TDs.
2010-2011 Owen Daniels in Houston was already there and doing well. Continue his pace, minus games lost to injury. But then Knapp wasn’t OC there, so maybe this isn’t relevant.
and of course:
2012 Myers goes from 32 total catches in the first three seasons of his career to 75 (so far) with Knapp back.
The only thinkg that pisses me off is that I knew the Knapp-TE effect and drafted Ausberry in my keeper league expansion, thinking he’d be the ultimate sleeper. I hung onto for about 4 weeks waiting, and by then someone already nabbed Myers.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
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December 27th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
What does – ZBS means? Is it some kind of bad word , like
Sob. I think it stands for Zombie bull S#it!
Cork -how about a Knapp poll before Years end ? hah
December 27th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Another thing to consider…
Look at all the UFAs on our roster end of this season. Do you really think any/most of them are going to WANT to come back here if Knapp is still OC? They know his schemes, play-calling, are BS and arent helping them get good stats or look good or get pro-bowl votes etc…all things that help them be able to get better contracts….not to mention players all want to play to win, make playoffs and win lombardis.
If Reggie is genuine, he will need to fire coaches wholesale, including his beloved Allen, if he wants to retain a lot of the players he wants, or even retain them at a reasonable salary, especially if they say…”id like to come back but not if Allen/Knapp are there”…what’s he gonna do? Or, they might say, “i’ll come back but the Cowboys are offering me $3M, so unless you offer me $4m i aint coming back”….he’s just fvcked himself by ALLOWING this putrid season to continue not making drastic changes thru the season, instead of his “wait till end of year” BS. That’s also one of the dumbest things I’ve read. So if a team is 1-4, and the OC, say, is ruining things, to say, “oh well tough, i wont do anything, wait till end of season first”…that shows sabotage, or plain stupidity. You dont just stay a course, never do. You always re-evaluate, tweak, etc, because a season is in flux, could start slow/badly, and have to make changes to fight and try to win the division, going say 8-3 to finish out is never from sitting on hands and staying a course, calling the same plays, starting the same starters, not making trades, etc.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Com’on UCLA.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Our chances of getting quality FAs in the off season are going to be slim if we insist on keeping our current coaches. No way can we rely solely on the draft. We need FAs. Good ones. But who is going to want to play for these guys. Unless we get a coach like Gruden, we are going to be a hovering bottom feeder.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
GG,
i’m with you. I wanted Pryor to start the last 5 games of this season!!
the guys had 1 snap all of last season and only 6 snaps so far this season?
pathetic!!
odds are Palmer will be back next season and start every game. but hey – Aaron Rodgers sat for 3 full seasons too and look at him
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No reason to not player Pryor the full game, except if Allen/Reggie have an agenda…which is an attempt to release him post-season because they didnt draft him. And all these reports from shill writers/commentators is purely them working for Reggie/Allen to get out false propaganda on Pryor, paint him out as being crap, in order for other writers and fans to NOT question the moves of the GM/HC in gutting players.
Taiwan, Pryor, Ausberry, Chekwa, Moore, DHB, Reece are all in danger of being moved out by Reggie/Allen when you read between the lines of all the BS they say during the year, and how they’ve treated them compared to other players THEY picked who have been sucking but still getting starts or a lot of snaps.
Yes, Taiwan cant block well, but you don’t bench him completely from contributing to the offense or forcing him to ponder a life as a CB just to try to get on the field more. You find ways to utilize him, make the defense have to worry about multiple players and personnel packages.
Knapp is the devil. But Allen has advocated him the whole way, and keeps deferring to him. And Reggie has advocated Allen the whole way, and keeps deferring to him. Mark needs to hire Ray Anderson pronto. And hopefully Ray’s first order of business is to re-evaluate the performance of Reggie/Allen, re-INTERVIEW them for their jobs.
GRRR.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Iron Butterfly Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Our chances of getting quality FAs in the off season are going to be slim if we insist on keeping our current coaches. No way can we rely solely on the draft. We need FAs. Good ones. But who is going to want to play for these guys. Unless we get a coach like Gruden, we are going to be a hovering bottom feeder.
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Yep, that’s a massive problem this off-season. Reggie probably doesn’t realize this or anticipated this happening when he sat on his hands all year allowing Allen/Knapp to butcher the season, and did nothing himself to try to amend mistakes he made, or make important changes to the staff seeing them ruin the season early on.
‘Staying the course’ type catch-phrases are for losers and saboteurs.
The Raiders Sloop (pirate ship) has been turned into a into a tug-boat by Reggie/Allen/Knapp. You don’t stay that course FVVVVVVVVVVCKKKKKKK
December 27th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Another thing to consider…
Look at all the UFAs on our roster end of this season. Do you really think any/most of them are going to WANT to come back here if Knapp is still OC? They know his schemes, play-calling, are BS and arent helping them get good stats or look good or get pro-bowl votes etc…all things that help them be able to get better contracts….not to mention players all want to play to win, make playoffs and win lombardis.
If Reggie is genuine, he will need to fire coaches wholesale, including his beloved Allen, if he wants to retain a lot of the players he wants, or even retain them at a reasonable salary, especially if they say…”id like to come back but not if Allen/Knapp are there”…what’s he gonna do? Or, they might say, “i’ll come back but the Cowboys are offering me $3M, so unless you offer me $4m i aint coming back”….he’s just fvcked himself by ALLOWING this putrid season to continue not making drastic changes thru the season, instead of his “wait till end of year” BS. That’s also one of the dumbest things I’ve read. So if a team is 1-4, and the OC, say, is ruining things, to say, “oh well tough, i wont do anything, wait till end of season first”…that shows sabotage, or plain stupidity. You dont just stay a course, never do. You always re-evaluate, tweak, etc, because a season is in flux, could start slow/badly, and have to make changes to fight and try to win the division, going say 8-3 to finish out is never from sitting on hands and staying a course, calling the same plays, starting the same starters, not making trades, etc.
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Fortunately, few of the key UFAs are on the offensive side of the ball. the majority are on defense and I don’t think Knapp will play much at all into their decision. What will is having a very defensive minded head coach in DA and whether they like what Tarver is preaching. They also have to consider that they got better under this scheme so they’d have to be thinking if they stay in it, they already have a known good fit for their play style.
On the offensive side, the only real concern is Myers. But like the defensive guys, he went from absolute nobody to a top receiving TE under Knapp. Will he find that opportunity somewhere else? Look what happened to Zach Miller when he went to Seattle. He’s now being touted more for his run blocking then his receiving skills.
In the end, I think the main driver for anyone moving on will be contract terms. Can the Raiders, with their cap situation, afford to increase the pay for a lot these guys? Myers and Wheeler in particular are going to get multi-year offers in the $3M neighborhood. Bryant won’t go cheap. Even Adams could be looking at a 2 or 3 year pacakge around 5-6 million given how hard it is to find decent CBs.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
#78; you asked; Show me a quote from a pro athlete in any sport where he says that, other than say from injury, that he doesn’t think he’s ready to play.
“I wasn’t ready to play. I felt a little rusty,” Leinart said. “I think my footwork, for me, wasn’t as good as I wanted it to be, and what I work on. But I think again, that was just kind of getting in there, hadn’t played in a while. But it is what it is, moved on and watched the film and been practicing well this week and just trying to correct those mistakes.”
December 27th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Will he find that opportunity somewhere else? Look what happened to Zach Miller when he went to Seattle. He’s now being touted more for his run blocking then his receiving skills.
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This isn’t a bad thing. I’d take Zach back in a heartbeat.
We had this discussion this morning… MYERS CANNOT BLOCK!
December 27th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Knapp starts each game with five straight 3 & outs.
I don’t imagine that’s very attractive to defensive players
December 27th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Raider Mock:
Rd 1- Manti Te’o ILB/MIKE
Rd 3- Sean Porter, OLB 3-4, Cornelius Carradine DE/OLB, Brandon Jenkins, DE
Rd 4- TJ Johnson, Center
Rd 6- Anthony McCloud, NT/DT, Joe Kruger DT/DE
Rd 7- Melvin White, S/CB
Rd 7- Dennis Johnson, or Michael Dyer, RB’s
December 27th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
No reason to not player Pryor the full game, except if Allen/Reggie have an agenda…which is an attempt to release him post-season because they didnt draft him. And all these reports from shill writers/commentators is purely them working for Reggie/Allen to get out false propaganda on Pryor, paint him out as being crap, in order for other writers and fans to NOT question the moves of the GM/HC in gutting players.
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Wow, conspiracy theory much?
These guys are committed to making the Raiders better, first and foremost. If they don’t believe a player is right for the Raiders for the long haul, they’ll want to get whatever they can back in trade. Yet, you make it sound like they are intentionally — even going so far as to pay the media — downplaying their ability and diminishing their value. How does this help again?
If they didn’t want Pryor and weren’t worried about losing his trade value, he’d be cut by now. Period. Why go through all the cloak and dagger BS when they can just cut him? Do you really think there would be massive fan fallout from that? I mean, aside from the tiny handful of people here that think he’s the next great thing in the wave of the future.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Raider(since 1967)★
Why is Reggie taking so long to put his pants up!
Looking at KNAPP weekly film on the sidelines. He rarely
Says anything to his Offense. He doesn’t talk or gets mad.
In games he looks to care less about the outcome and he is not one of THOSE getting more involve and talking to each of
His unit or players. He never is seen patting guys or running around or sitting in a circle with photos from upstairs – like Brady and Manning talking with their coaches . In other word
He is not a Dynamic coach like Harbaugh or Tom Cougflen
December 27th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Derek Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
#78; you asked; Show me a quote from a pro athlete in any sport where he says that, other than say from injury, that he doesn’t think he’s ready to play.
“I wasn’t ready to play. I felt a little rusty,” Leinart said. “I think my footwork, for me, wasn’t as good as I wanted it to be, and what I work on. But I think again, that was just kind of getting in there, hadn’t played in a while. But it is what it is, moved on and watched the film and been practicing well this week and just trying to correct those mistakes.”
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That’s close, but missing the tense is kind of important. I’m talking about players that are saying that they don’t think they should be in the lineup because they aren’t ready — as in the present or future.
Making excuses for past play is a completely different story. Now if Leinart came out and said he wasn’t ready and still isn’t for this week, that would be a different story. If anything, he used this to spin how he thinks that he used this to move on and make himself more ready, proclaiming himself the deserved starter this week.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Knapp starts each game with five straight 3 & outs.
I don’t imagine that’s very attractive to defensive players
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Wow. Knapp has covertly messed our defensive psyche too. Sad sack state of affairs.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Wow, conspiracy theory much?
These guys are committed to making the Raiders better, first and foremost. If they don’t believe a player is right for the Raiders for the long haul, they’ll want to get whatever they can back in trade. Yet, you make it sound like they are intentionally — even going so far as to pay the media — downplaying their ability and diminishing their value. How does this help again?
If they didn’t want Pryor and weren’t worried about losing his trade value, he’d be cut by now. Period. Why go through all the cloak and dagger BS when they can just cut him? Do you really think there would be massive fan fallout from that? I mean, aside from the tiny handful of people here that think he’s the next great thing in the wave of the future.
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Zymurge you are among the tiny group of fans who are hating on Pryor, first of all. Most of the blog here wants to see him play
Good question why didn’t they cut him in camp?
I suppose they didn’t have that mandate from Reggie.
So far as the coaches commitment to winning here? So what? If they’re judgement is bad? Don’t know what they’re doing?
They are bad in every facet of the game. You would think good coaches could get SOMETHING right.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Wow, conspiracy theory much?
These guys are committed to making the Raiders better, first and foremost. If they don’t believe a player is right for the Raiders for the long haul, they’ll want to get whatever they can back in trade. Yet, you make it sound like they are intentionally —
zzzzzzzz
They may think their committed to making the Raiders better in their own bone headed way, but their a sorry excuse for it.
December 27th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Game 17, no improvement whatsoever since preseason
December 27th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Hmm, let’s see…Play the young Houdini to see what we have and get him some experience or play the career backup? Decisions…decisions. DA is a MO-RON
December 27th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Game 17, no improvement whatsoever since preseason
zzzzzzzz
That’s pretty pathetic because the preseason sucked. You knew we were going to struggle, but to get worse? That’s messed up.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
I’ve yet to read or hear a logical reason why Pryor should not start. Only thing that comes to mind is maybe some mutual ‘back scratching’ between knapp and lienart. There is no other reason why. There are no excuses or explanations why Pryor shouldn’t start. If DA told me he isn’t ready, I’d say, how the hell do you know.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
The Hue bashers point to the team losing 4 of its last 5 last year, yet here we are having just lost 7 of our last 8. Funny that.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
The Hue bashers point to the team losing 4 of its last 5 last year, yet here we are having just lost 7 of our last 8. Funny that.
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Just goes to show ya
December 27th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Pryor = Al’s guy
Leinart = Knapp’s guy
Pretty clear who’s getting the start.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Hue bashers = DA & knapp splashers
December 27th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
DA + knapp = bromance
December 27th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Raider Mock:
Rd 1- Manti Te’o ILB/MIKE
Rd 3- Sean Porter, OLB 3-4, Cornelius Carradine DE/OLB, Brandon Jenkins, DE
Rd 4- TJ Johnson, Center
Rd 6- Anthony McCloud, NT/DT, Joe Kruger DT/DE
Rd 7- Melvin White, S/CB
Rd 7- Dennis Johnson, or Michael Dyer, RB’s
Raider Mock:
Rd 1- D Moore, OLB/DE
Rd 3- EJ Manuel, QB
Rd 4- Chris Jones, DT
Rd 6- Gabe Jackson, G, or TJ Johnson, C/G
Rd 7- Melvin White, C/CB
Rd 7- Tracy Moore, WR/TE
December 27th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Iron Butterfly Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
DA + knapp = bromance
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DA + John Fox = Celebratory reach-arounds after the Great Sabotage of our Raiders is complete.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
DA and Knapp are a joke!
December 27th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Another thing to consider…
Look at all the UFAs on our roster end of this season. Do you really think any/most of them are going to WANT to come back here if Knapp is still OC? They know his schemes, play-calling, are BS and arent helping them get good stats or look good or get pro-bowl votes etc…all things that help them be able to get better contracts….not to mention players all want to play to win, make playoffs and win lombardis.
If Reggie is genuine, he will need to fire coaches wholesale, including his beloved Allen, if he wants to retain a lot of the players he wants, or even retain them at a reasonable salary, especially if they say…”id like to come back but not if Allen/Knapp are there”…what’s he gonna do? Or, they might say, “i’ll come back but the Cowboys are offering me $3M, so unless you offer me $4m i aint coming back”….he’s just fvcked himself by ALLOWING this putrid season to continue not making drastic changes thru the season, instead of his “wait till end of year” BS. That’s also one of the dumbest things I’ve read. So if a team is 1-4, and the OC, say, is ruining things, to say, “oh well tough, i wont do anything, wait till end of season first”…that shows sabotage, or plain stupidity. You dont just stay a course, never do. You always re-evaluate, tweak, etc, because a season is in flux, could start slow/badly, and have to make changes to fight and try to win the division, going say 8-3 to finish out is never from sitting on hands and staying a course, calling the same plays, starting the same starters, not making trades, etc.
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Fortunately, few of the key UFAs are on the offensive side of the ball. the majority are on defense and I don’t think Knapp will play much at all into their decision. What will is having a very defensive minded head coach in DA and whether they like what Tarver is preaching. They also have to consider that they got better under this scheme so they’d have to be thinking if they stay in it, they already have a known good fit for their play style.
On the offensive side, the only real concern is Myers. But like the defensive guys, he went from absolute nobody to a top receiving TE under Knapp. Will he find that opportunity somewhere else? Look what happened to Zach Miller when he went to Seattle. He’s now being touted more for his run blocking then his receiving skills.
In the end, I think the main driver for anyone moving on will be contract terms. Can the Raiders, with their cap situation, afford to increase the pay for a lot these guys? Myers and Wheeler in particular are going to get multi-year offers in the $3M neighborhood. Bryant won’t go cheap. Even Adams could be looking at a 2 or 3 year pacakge around 5-6 million given how hard it is to find decent CBs.
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Thing to remember tho, is defensive players will also be wary of Knapp. All those three and outs and crap play from the O directly due to Knapp, would frustrate the hell out of defensive players busting their nuts holding opposing teams to three and outs, only to come back out again. Or worse, constantly out there dying in the sun/snow on long drives by the opposition. Or, just as worse, when the D does puts in hard late in the 3rd/4th, after most of the game being on the field, to give the O a chance at a TD tying drive, only to see them fvck up the chance, turn the ball over, go 3 and out, and then the D again doing great, giving the O another chance, only for them to fvck it up too.
It’s so demoralizing for the D having to put up with Knapp’s BS. The bad play-calling and lack of personnel packages. Also, a lot of the 53 are close friends, players from the D feeling bad for certain players on the O not getting a chance etc.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Reggie is gonna have to cancel the season ending team awards banquet so he can find a new OC to dance with.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Knapp starts each game with five straight 3 & outs.
I don’t imagine that’s very attractive to defensive players
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Lol, i babble on over-verbose trying to say everything right and with full examples. You say it succinctly to the point.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Hue bashers quickly forget how Hue held this team together in its darkest hour. We had a damn good offense last year. All we needed was a little help on defense. Damn shame this staff ran it into the ditch.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
You’re probably a lot nicer than me.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Trade down
Rd 1- Manti Te’o ILB or Dion Jordan OLB
Rd 2- John Simon, DE
Rd 3- Phillip Thomas, CB/S
Rd 4- TJ Johnson, Center
Rd 6- Anthony McCloud, NT/DT
Rd 7- Tracy Moore, WR
Rd 7- Melvin White, S/CB
December 27th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Knapps play book < a roll of toilet paper.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Why no decision yet. This is shades of Lane Kiffin playing games with whether Josh McCown or Daunte Culpepper would be the starter any given week. Remember that? LOL. Only, I’m not even sure DA is playing games. Two days before the game and he still doesn’t know. WTF?
It’s really inconceivable that they would play Leinart over Pryor at this point. But these are the same coaches that brought Leinart and Brisiel with them in here, that kept trotting Willie Smith out there to get whipped week in and out, and that didn’t let Taiwan Jones touch the ball all year because of a botched exchange on a reverse in week 1. There’s a reasonable chance Leinart goes out, leads us to no TDs and has four turnovers and Pryor still never plays.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
No reason to not player Pryor the full game, except if Allen/Reggie have an agenda…which is an attempt to release him post-season because they didnt draft him. And all these reports from shill writers/commentators is purely them working for Reggie/Allen to get out false propaganda on Pryor, paint him out as being crap, in order for other writers and fans to NOT question the moves of the GM/HC in gutting players.
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Wow, conspiracy theory much?
These guys are committed to making the Raiders better, first and foremost. If they don’t believe a player is right for the Raiders for the long haul, they’ll want to get whatever they can back in trade. Yet, you make it sound like they are intentionally — even going so far as to pay the media — downplaying their ability and diminishing their value. How does this help again?
If they didn’t want Pryor and weren’t worried about losing his trade value, he’d be cut by now. Period. Why go through all the cloak and dagger BS when they can just cut him? Do you really think there would be massive fan fallout from that? I mean, aside from the tiny handful of people here that think he’s the next great thing in the wave of the future.
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Many radio hosts and analysts/writers, not just posters here, have been clamoring for Pryor to be given a fair shot, to see what he can do, regardless where his ’status’ is right now in terms of how much of the playbook he might know. Especially since the season ended 5 weeks ago, you even heard the very owner Mark himself HAVE TO speak out in the post-saints game about getting a look at him. Because Reggie had deserted his job. Had continued to sit on his hands doing nothing. Reggie didnt even feel the need to speak on behalf of Raider Nation and try to show he’s angry etc. Mark coming out forced Reggie to hold a PC (that he also chickened out from by making it a closed table session). Mark specifically said he knows what he wants to see tho he still supports Palmer as starter it’s Pryor time. And him saying that forced Reggie to BS lip-service “i need to see him too to evaluate him but it’s up to the HC”…that’s the biggest load of BS cop-out. He’s the freakin GM, head of FO.
The reality is both Reggie and Allen had deliberately benched Pryor, all year, not even giving him reps, not even trying to create packages for him mid-year, enthused to have such a talent that could be utilized to fool defenses. They had made up their minds to gut the roster. Clear as day. It took Mark’s post-saints PC to force Reggie to force Allen to start dressing the guy. And they wasted 3 weeks azzing around just teaching how to dress. Come on man FFS. Then they finally last week gave him a couple plays. Come on FFS. What are they genuinely doing to get Pryor out there? If they don’t put him out there for like a whole uninterrupted half or more, there’s clearly an agenda.
And i havent forgotten Taiwan, Ausberry, Chekwa either.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
im fvcking furious about it all. i’ll ease off the posting to calm down a bit.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Bring back Gruden now.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
omoran Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Raider(since 1967)★
Why is Reggie taking so long to put his pants up!
Looking at KNAPP weekly film on the sidelines. He rarely
Says anything to his Offense. He doesn’t talk or gets mad.
In games he looks to care less about the outcome and he is not one of THOSE getting more involve and talking to each of
His unit or players. He never is seen patting guys or running around or sitting in a circle with photos from upstairs – like Brady and Manning talking with their coaches . In other word
He is not a Dynamic coach like Harbaugh or Tom Cougflen
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this is why i kinda don’t mind tarver staying on. tho he has engineered one of the worst raider d’s ever, or that november of shame, he’s a lot more ‘raider-like’, animated, talks to the players, jumps around screaming at the refs etc. i dont mind him staying.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
It’s obvious McK and DA have it in for some former Al Davis picks/players.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Hue bashers are mostly just guys who got it wrong and advocated for Hue’s firing and are going to stubbornly cling to that. Hue could land a head coaching job next year and win the Super Bowl and these guys will continue to make excuses as DA goes 2-14.
I guess the Hue bashes fit in well with the new regime. Sorry excuse-makers across the board.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Give Gruden what he wants to come back and turn this ship around with a REAL head coach.
DA, Knapp, Hoffman and Tarver for 3 more years??
Makes me want to puke!
Tarver is cool…as a LB coach, he is not ready to be a DC yet.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Thing to remember tho, is defensive players will also be wary of Knapp. All those three and outs and crap play from the O directly due to Knapp, would frustrate the hell out of defensive players busting their nuts holding opposing teams to three and outs, only to come back out again. Or worse, constantly out there dying in the sun/snow on long drives by the opposition. Or, just as worse, when the D does puts in hard late in the 3rd/4th, after most of the game being on the field, to give the O a chance at a TD tying drive, only to see them fvck up the chance, turn the ball over, go 3 and out, and then the D again doing great, giving the O another chance, only for them to fvck it up too.
It’s so demoralizing for the D having to put up with Knapp’s BS. The bad play-calling and lack of personnel packages. Also, a lot of the 53 are close friends, players from the D feeling bad for certain players on the O not getting a chance etc.
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Maybe you haven’t noticed then that through 15 games, this offense is ranked #17 in yards per play. You make it sound like it’s a bottom 3 offense. They are middle of the pack in moving the ball and hence the chains. This defense is on the field about the average amount of other defenses.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Reggie will trade down – he has to his year with only 5 picks and so many holes.
Barkley is an interesting wild card he will rocket up the 1st round charts with the typical qb hype machine and we might be able to get 3 solid picks in return if he’s still there at #3. I wouldn’t be surprised if Geno goes to Jags and Barkley goes to Chiefs. If so, we still have good leverage to trade down 5-10 spots and get our missing 2nd and 4th rounders while still getting an impact player in round 1.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
293.Rainy Cranium Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Any truth to the rumor Gruden is coming back?
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Yup, I saw him and his family at the supermarket this past weekend, Asked him if he’d come back to coach the Raiders and he said, “Anything you say mister, please, just don’t hurt my family”
I feel confident for 2013
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THAT cracked me up.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Another thing…
Mark in the post-saints PC said expressly he did not fight for Hue. That he needs to see improvement from reggie and mark to also FIGHT FOR THEIR RETAINMENT.
Mark bringing in Ray Anderson is a fvcking god-send. It means he will hand the reins to Ray and the fate of reggie/allen is in his hands now, they cant treat this job as a gravy train, taking advantage of Al’s death and Mark’s situation — them knowing Mark “has to” create 3-5 year continuity. So these knuckleheads Reggie/Allen are taking advantage of that situation (10 and then).
Mark has been given no reason yet to FIGHT FOR reggie and dennis’ retainment, WHEN Ray Anderson does his evaluations and reports back to Mark about what HE thinks needs to change etc. Mark wont fight for them.
Especially IF Gruden is still a possibility — which he is.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
The only reason the offense is ranked is there is a lot of garbage time stats. Plus Palmer is a gamer in spite of knapp.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Hue bashers are mostly just guys who got it wrong and advocated for Hue’s firing and are going to stubbornly cling to that. Hue could land a head coaching job next year and win the Super Bowl and these guys will continue to make excuses as DA goes 2-14.
I guess the Hue bashes fit in well with the new regime. Sorry excuse-makers across the board.
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Alot of the same Hue bashers are the ones screaming for continuity and are quick to criticize Al for firing coaches so quickly.
“What decent coach wants to come here and take a job he may get fired from in a year?”
Exactly dypsticks. That’s why they shouldn’t of fired Hue after one yr.
Geez.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Maybe you haven’t noticed then that through 15 games, this offense is ranked #17 in yards per play. You make it sound like it’s a bottom 3 offense. They are middle of the pack in moving the ball and hence the chains. This defense is on the field about the average amount of other defenses.
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I hate to say it Zymurge, but that’s just a damned lie. Raiders are 27th in 3rd down conversion.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2012&seasonType=REG&akmobile=ios-tablet&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&d-447263-s=DOWN_3RD_PERCENTAGE
December 27th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
GG — so if there is this grand plan from Reggie and DA to automatically cut Al players then what’s in it for them?
To the rest, when I say “they” are committed to long term success, specifically I mean Reggie. By extension Reggie dictates to the coaches. If he wanted to see Pryor start, it would have happened by now. But what he’s doing instead is the diplomatic thing, saying that it’s the coaches decision. That implies that Pryor ain’t cutting it in practice and is not earning the start. Or it means that Pryor is doing just great in practice and should be starting but Reggie is giving specific orders to not play him. As a rookie GM, doing such would help him how?
But wait — the reports of that actually being true are again Reggie’s doing as he’s paying off the media to undermine Pryor. And this helps Reggie’s case how?
Why the rest of the world has trouble admitting that, I don’t understand. Why people can’t admit that all the evidence that says he is lost cause is legit but is instead some counter-intuitive, motiveless power trip to keep him down. Maybe Raider fans are just so desparate for something positive this season that they’ve pinned all their hope on Pryor. If so, that’s even sadder.
But I am glad that I’m called out as one of the very few Pryor haters. When he’s proven that he’s not starter material, and no longer listed as a Raiders QB, I wonder who (besides me) will remember this
December 27th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
I like the QB from Baylor the couple of times I saw him. Decent athlete, good decision-maker, accurate thrower. I’m not sure what his draft outlook is, but he looks like a nice late round addition to me.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
370,
GG. IF Gruden we’re in play, i’ve gotta think we’d hear about it soon after Sunday’s game.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
GG Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Another thing…
Mark in the post-saints PC said expressly he did not fight for Hue. That he needs to see improvement from reggie and mark to also FIGHT FOR THEIR RETAINMENT.
Mark bringing in Ray Anderson is a fvcking god-send. It means he will hand the reins to Ray and the fate of reggie/allen is in his hands now, they cant treat this job as a gravy train, taking advantage of Al’s death and Mark’s situation — them knowing Mark “has to” create 3-5 year continuity. So these knuckleheads Reggie/Allen are taking advantage of that situation (10 and then).
Mark has been given no reason yet to FIGHT FOR reggie and dennis’ retainment, WHEN Ray Anderson does his evaluations and reports back to Mark about what HE thinks needs to change etc. Mark wont fight for them.
Especially IF Gruden is still a possibility — which he is.
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The kid broke RG3’s single season Baylor records this yr.
He is pretty good. Not very heralded, but he looked decent and can runa bit too.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
I like the QB from Baylor the couple of times I saw him. Decent athlete, good decision-maker, accurate thrower. I’m not sure what his draft outlook is, but he looks like a nice late round addition to me.
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The kid broke RG3’s single season Baylor records this yr.
He is pretty good. Not very heralded, but he looked decent and can runa bit too.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Maybe you haven’t noticed then that through 15 games, this offense is ranked #17 in yards per play. You make it sound like it’s a bottom 3 offense. They are middle of the pack in moving the ball and hence the chains. This defense is on the field about the average amount of other defenses.
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I hate to say it Zymurge, but that’s just a damned lie. Raiders are 27th in 3rd down conversion.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2012&seasonType=REG&akmobile=ios-tablet&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&d-447263-s=DOWN_3RD_PERCENTAGE
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It’s not a lie that they are 17th in yards per play. Look it up.
They are 19th in 1st down per game. You can look that up to. Along the way learn that 3rd down conversion percentage is a terrible single way to measure an offense’s ability. You’re allowed to get first downs on 1st, 2nd and 4th down as well ya know.
But the real measurement is time of possession. That definitively tells you how much the defense is on the field. The Raiders are at 29:32. That means that the defense spends a whopping 28 seconds more on the field than the offense, or essentially one play.
Facts is facts. Using the wrong or misleading stats is closer to a lie.
December 27th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Nick Florence Baylor QB – ranked 16th best QB in draft according to CBS rankings – he’s a 7th rounder/Free Agent at this point.
I’d take him in the 7th – we have that extra pick from the Murph trade..
December 27th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Zymurge says
They are middle of the pack in moving the ball and hence the chains. This defense is on the field about the average amount of other defenses.
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I hate to say it but that’s just a damned lie. The Raiders are 27th in 3rd down conversion.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2012&seasonType=REG&akmobile=ios-tablet&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&d-447263-s=DOWN_3RD_PERCENTAGE
December 27th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Screw all the stats. We’re 4-12. Besides, all I can remember is all the offensive plays going sideways for minus yards. Not a lot of excitement.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Liked what I saw today from Duke’s QB Sean Renfree – he’s 6-4 225 and is listed as a late round/FA prospect
from CBS Sports ..
Renfree is a traditional drop back passer and looks the part with a tall, filled out frame. He has a strong arm to easily make all the throws and does a nice job working through his progressions to find the open target. Renfree shows excellent chemistry with his receivers and is a confident thrower, never appearing shy to take chances downfield. The career statistics aren’t glamorous (32-30 TD-INT ratio), but he has all the tools NFL scouts look for at the next level. And it won’t hurt that his collegiate head coach is the same offensive mind that mentored Peyton and Eli Manning.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Zymurge says
They are middle of the pack in moving the ball and hence the chains. This defense is on the field about the average amount of other defenses.
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I hate to say it but that’s another lie the Raiders are 23rd in Time of Possession. Ck out the facts before you start making absolute statements. Gnite Gents.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2012&seasonType=REG&akmobile=ios-tablet&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&d-447263-s=TIME_OF_POSS_SECONDS_PER_GAME_AVG
December 27th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
CDERaider….
Yep, I like Renfree too. I posted a few pages back some QBs worth looking at.
Tyler Bray
Mike Glennon
Landry Jones
Brad Sorensen
Sean Renfree
Colin Klein
December 27th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
The only thing I’d be worried about with Pryor is killing his confidence, especially considering how weak this line is. That being said, the kid really seems to have a handle on how to conduct himself, so hopefully he’d take any adversity in stride.
I hope he gets a chance, for better or worse, to show what he can do on the field.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
KK, I know, no worries thye send this clown everytime we’re in here together if noticed. I think it’s the mods to be honest.
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LOL. yes, the moderators of this blog are out to get u cuz ur black. u guys are priceless.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
It’s stupid not to start Pryor. What have the coaches proven to justify not starting him. They don’t know squat. That much they’ve proven.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
priest–u and missdick are a disgrace. always pretending we are all against pryor cuz he’s black. and it’s cuz we don’t want our precious carson palmer to be challenged by a black man.
listen idiot. everyone here, barring fangs, is rooting for pryor. we would LOVE it if he surprised us all. but a lot of us, with actual football knowledge, realize what a longshot he is.
and he really doesn’t present a challenge at all to a good qb like palmer, at this point anyway. and as i said, if he did rise up and show he was better, we would all be thrilled, since this would mean we would have a great qb on our hands. ur excuse-making (as usual, u accuse others of what u do) is pathetic.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
papertiger418 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
The only thing I’d be worried about with Pryor is killing his confidence, especially considering how weak this line is. That being said, the kid really seems to have a handle on how to conduct himself, so hopefully he’d take any adversity in stride.
I hope he gets a chance, for better or worse, to show what he can do on the field.
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He handles himself very well, been humbled since OSU, says all the right things from the heart.
like…believes in himself, wants to be great, but admits he’s got a lot to learn, the “boring” stuff is important, knows that his opportunities are small with this staff reps-wise/snap-wise, so understands not to turn the ball over so as to get more opportunities, displays trust in his teammates to block so he doesnt have to run around all the time, hates to lose, knows adversity and the ups/downs of life/football.
That video posted before by someone was a good insight into a man with a competitive nature and doesnt get rattled.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
i think DA is caught in a tuff spot. he clearly knows leinart sucks. but he also realizes pryor may suck even worse at this juncture, and it could be embarrassing. all of the people who are clamoring for pryor better be careful what they wish for. u may actually get him sunday and u may not like the results. then what? back to going on and on about taiwan, ausberry, etc.?
December 27th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
pryor is a good kid. a hard worker. he wants success. i like him. except one thing. he doesn’t pass very well. and he’s playing qb, which u know, kinda demands it.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
hopefully we’ll get a chance to see pryor on sunday so we don’t have to hear for months on end about any of it on here.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
KK, I think we just disagree on what average and middle of the pack mean. I wasn’t say that they were mean, which would be ranked exactly 16.5. They are 22nd in the league in possession which is neither bottom or top 10. Hence middle of the pack.
http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-time-of-possession-net-of-ot (this ranking doesn’t add OT time so it won’t favor teams that have been there over others)
Not to argue the nuances of statistics, but the important thing is the perception of the offensive and defensive situation. When evaluating the team I don’t see a free agent, going well, they are 18 seconds lower than the mean average, not interested. They say are they a bottom team? A top team? Nope, and nope. Then they are in the middle of the pack.
Putting it another way, they are better than Baltimore, the Giants, New Orleans and up and comers like Minnesota, Miami in possession time. Do you see any FA defenders thinking, I don’t want to go to those teams because I might be on the field a little more.
I doubt it. They will look at the contract first and then look for any huge flags that would scare them away. It won’t be time of possession or Knapp. It will be the overall upside (if they see one) of the team and the specifics of the defensive coordinator and head coach.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Pryor can’t do any worse than the coaches already have.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Pryor can’t do any worse than the coaches already have.
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the coaches don’t play. the players do. and they’re responsible for their poor play.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
knapp’s playcalling has been poor.
according to brandian ross, tarver’s defense is easy to learn compared to dom capers.
DA has not shown a ton for me.
so, i’m not saying i’m in love with this staff. but the players have sucked due to their own shortcomings too.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
some good things have happened over the course of this sh!t season:
the removal of mcclain! this was great.
the addition and discovery of adams and ross has been a huge boost to the secondary, potentially finding two good young db’s without spending much.
the addition/discovery of wheeler and burris has given us two legit hi-energy LB’s. one more to go!
the addition of carter from the scrap heap has been good. it was a big injury and it took him some time to come on, but he’s providing good pressure now and i think he will get even better. a good chance he will be back next season (lives in the area) and will provide one pass-rush answer as well as leadership.
bergstrom about to enter the starting lineup. i liked the pick cuz he’s big, strong, and solid, and he’s an older rookie, so he should start next year.
myers! good receiver in college finally got his shot and came thru. should be back next season, as he won’t be all that expensive to retain.
streater! kid was a major find.
December 27th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
oh yeah. bilukidi. kid looks like a good player.
how do we like reggie’s draft in hindsight?
bergstrom–starter in year two
burris–starter out of the gate
crawford–we’ll see. i like him as a run-stuffer.
criner–we’ll see. has shown some ability
bilukidi–looks like a good player in the rotation next season. not bad for a project.
stupar–one bad pick at the end
streater–the real steal
nix–could be back and develop
plus he found burnett, olawale, and stewart.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:06 am
The only way ours or any coaching staff will impact the signing of FA players is if they take money off the table.
It’s all about the guaranteed money, especially a first time FA.
We can get JPP in here this offseason no problem, just offer the most guaranteed cash, and he will be here in no time flat.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:29 am
There’s a misconception here which playing Pryor extensively WILL prove one side is right.
The misconception is pryor CANT pass, like literally retarded, trips himself over dropping back, etc. Tho there’s absolutely no evidence of this thruout Pryor’s collegiate career or Raiders showings to date that indicate he’s retarded like people make out.
Pryor WILL have miscues, will have to throw balls away, will be too off-target on accurate throws, the receiver having to adjust, or pass broken up due to it not being perfectly accurate, etc. But all that means is he’s getting his first genuine crack at playing, working off rust, finding his feet.
If the saboteur plays him extensively this week, I am looking forward to all the crow eating that will going on with some people who are overly misstating pryor’s QB ability, or those who downright hate him.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:30 am
If Pryor gets extensive playing time Sunday and looks lost or bad,you can bet your life there will be many who will put all the blame on Reggie,Allen,and Knapp while giving Pryor a total free pass.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:37 am
GG-sorry,man,but you have gone overboard with your conspiracy BS.You and DJ are sounding as if you should be in padded rooms. BTW,Davis never said he wanted to see Pryor play.He said he had his own ideas about what the team should do.He also realizes he was speaking as a fan and not a football expert,IMO.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:37 am
True.
Still, it won’t happen
People are expecting Pryor to be literally retarded out there — due to the way Allen/Reggie have acted with him, or things said, and then shills like Papa/etc spreading false info painting him retarded.
He wont look lost, he wont be retarded like Russell.
He’ll have his moments tho….under/over throwing some passes, the usual kind of stuff.
But once people see Pryor is actually capable, like they saw vs Detroit pre-season, crow will be ate.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:39 am
Disagree with #403 Lefty12
Watch the interview again….your memory is failing.
Mark was asked about the QUARTERBACKS. He said addressing that specific question…I have my ideas, I want to see, but i like Palmer, he’s the starter.
That’s obvious what he’s saying.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:46 am
pryor once threw the ball straight into his dick.
ok. i made that up.
but he is black, so he’s probably dumb.
just kidding. relax!
December 28th, 2012 at 12:47 am
So where in any statement did Davis say he wanted TP to play?As I said,IMO,he was speaking as a fan KNOWING he wasn’t qualified to make personnel decisions.I disagree with almost everything you have thrown out there.I admit I haven’t been reading the blog much anymore but from what I have read it seems some say TP isn’t a good passer.I haven’t read anyone say the guy is retarded.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:53 am
Go to 2:07 on this video…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShrHALlsd4
He’s asked about how there’s two QBs not getting any action would he like to see them get a shot. He says he has his opinions with a big grin, but it’s up to the coaches, not his place, but wants the journalist to know he believes in Palmer.
It’s obvious what’s being intimated.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:55 am
GG-I’m not pro or anti TP.I’d love to see the guy eventually become one of the great young QBs in the league-as long as he does it as a Raider.I just can’t buy the hype that he is that guy.He needs to show it.And to show it he needs to earn it on the practice field just like every other player has to do.I’m sick of the old Al ways where he just handed guys a job.I thought that is what most people wanted when they demanded the billboard=accountability.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Yes, it’s INTIMATED. But it’s obvious what’s being intimated. That he would like to see Pryor getting involved more.
Especially consider this is at a time when the Raiders season is lost, and he wants to see improvement from here on out.
As in, exactly like everyone (people here, beat writers, radio hosts) have been saying themselves at the same time period….it’s time to see more Pryor now that the season is lost.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:59 am
GG you make a lot of valid points. Hopefully the scenario will be Leinert starts, gets knocked out or is ineffective by the first quarter. Then we can see what TP has or does not have for a good chunk of time. Just his scrambling will through a change up in the all out blitzes being thrown by the Chargers and maybe open up the running game. Scramble, buy time and go long TP!
December 28th, 2012 at 1:00 am
Sure Mark has his opinions,just like everyone does.He is also smart enough to realize he sees things like a fan,hence it is up to the coaches and not his place to make those decisions.
December 28th, 2012 at 1:01 am
lefty12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:55 am
GG-I’m not pro or anti TP.I’d love to see the guy eventually become one of the great young QBs in the league-as long as he does it as a Raider.I just can’t buy the hype that he is that guy.He needs to show it.And to show it he needs to earn it on the practice field just like every other player has to do.I’m sick of the old Al ways where he just handed guys a job.I thought that is what most people wanted when they demanded the billboard=accountability.
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I dont take you as anti-pryor. I dont think there are any (maybe 1 or 2) who are literally anti-pryor himself — prejudice based on OSU scandal etc.
It’s okay for people to opine they dont think Pryor is a good QB, but not for them to STATE CATEGORICALLY he sucks/retarded when theres no evidence whatsoever thru college or now that suggests that.
And people should be wary not to buy into what gets said/spread out by certain writers/hosts. As we’ve seen here with certain articles that shill for Reggie/Allen. Or the softball questions that many are committed to asking to avoid being ostracized by Reggie/Allen.
December 28th, 2012 at 1:04 am
romania Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:59 am
GG you make a lot of valid points. Hopefully the scenario will be Leinert starts, gets knocked out or is ineffective by the first quarter. Then we can see what TP has or does not have for a good chunk of time. Just his scrambling will through a change up in the all out blitzes being thrown by the Chargers and maybe open up the running game. Scramble, buy time and go long TP!
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If Allen starts Leinart (sorry to wish for it) but i do hope karma steps in on it, Allen forced to play Pryor thru the rest of the game to spite him.
Also, I would love to see Lechler also getting some series too. Who wouldn’t love to see some old school leatherhead football…Lechler dropping back from under center, handing off, making some big time throws, then he stays on for the 4th down punt.
December 28th, 2012 at 1:21 am
some of u guys think DA is against pryor. where does that come from? he just doesn’t think (correctly0 that he’s ready. how is playing pryor gonna “spite” DA?
December 28th, 2012 at 1:21 am
and who said he was retarded?
December 28th, 2012 at 1:22 am
besides fangs
December 28th, 2012 at 1:29 am
I feel just as bad tho for Taiwan, Ausberry and Chekwa.
Pryor is more visible an omission, so there’s a media/fan surge pushing to see him. Allen/Knapp/Reggie are HATING this. They’re gonna get crucified if Pryor comes out and looks a pleasant surprise.
But spare a thought too for the other three. The coaches/reggie have been able to completely shelve them with the intent to release them because media/fans arent pushing as much. So they get released and people will just say, they must’ve sucked, been retarded.
Look, how can I emphasize the Conspiracy simply and clearly? Just have to look at what Reggie did the minute he got here. He torched everything “al”, the scouts tho they were some of the best in the business, torched the front office, brought in all his own guys, and said repeatedly it’s all about his guys now…coaches, admin, scouts, players. It’s no longer the raiders brand/style being continued, but it’s all about Reggie-ball, about the Oakland Reggies. Then he proceeded to get rid of 27 players that were previously on this roster. As well as many many excellent coaches that were here last season. Not to mention the hiring of his twin brother is such a pathetic nepotism move. Clearly shows this gravy train attitude taking advantage of Al’s death and Mark’s situation — knows he “has to” give him 5 years.
The modus operandi is there that Reggie is about torching it all to install his own ideas/methods/philosophies.
Reggie DID do some things necessary, some good. Like turning over front office admin trouble-makers, installing computer systems, installing a clear chain of command up and down. But he’s done many things bad, which can be forgiven, what’s worse is when you do things out of a biased agenda. Because you’re blocking out a lot around you that’s good, worth keeping, letting go talent, etc.
Also, reggie erred reputation-wise. The best thing he could’ve done for himself was to only tweak some things in terms of roster and coaches. Not let Hue go, which Mark said he could’ve told Reggie not to fire him but he didn’t fight for his retention. Keep the same offensive system in place, the coaches already there, get a legit DC, and take an 8-8 team to the playoffs. If Reggie did that, he would’ve been heralded as a rising star GM, gotten a lot of accolades, built up his dollar worth.
But he was more interested in torching it all to get all the credit for any success being all Reggie’s way….not Reggie completing Al’s groundwork.
December 28th, 2012 at 1:49 am
You still haven’t answered the most basic question behind your conspiracy. There has to be a motive that justifies all of this cloak and dagger behavior. There’s nothing I can see in not playing or cutting guys that you clearly think are better than who are being run out there, so what could that possibly be?
Try to keep in mind that Reggie is a first time GM that is almost assuredly looking to build a reputation of success that will keep him employed in such capacity for as long he chooses. If he does things that are so clearly (in your opinion) anti-Davis and hence anti-his boss, how does that behoove him? If anything, it makes him look more like Hue did as someone wanting to make it all about themselves, and that didn’t fly too well with Mark, now did it?
December 28th, 2012 at 1:57 am
gg
When an emperor dies after absolute rule for over 40 years, when has there ever been a nice and easy transition of power. Hue would have undermined Reggie at every turn. Too bad about so many things done wrong (Knapp, etc), but hopefully the guy can trade down and get some new real talent here to compliment a core of good guys. How much did picking McClain set this team back?
December 28th, 2012 at 2:03 am
Zymurge and Romania…
Only have to look at Mark Davis looking to hire Ray Anderson as a clear signal of Mark being cautious, confused, second-guessing Reggie. It can only mean that to THEN look to hire a P of FO during that period of November.
Mark was looking at Gruden for that role “a prominent role” in the organization. And finally realized someone like Ray Anderson is a much more appropriate hire in that capacity.
Mark did that in November, looking. That shows he is concerned with Reggie, but lacks the football front office acumen himself to properly evaluate Reggie/Allen etc.
He knows Reggie needs to be evaluated, be accountable.
December 28th, 2012 at 2:17 am
Btw…
Just wanted to re-mention an idea i had weeks ago.
Keep Palmer, let him keep mentoring Pryor, they’re like bosom-buddies now, few vet qbs are so humble and giving like palmer towards a back-up. When pryor is ready to be full-time starter, palmer becomes vet back-up, then another year or two, re-hire palmer as OC here, to continue a relationship with pryor for 5+ years.
December 28th, 2012 at 2:33 am
lets finally see Pryor in a game with some real time. Hope he can have some chemistry with moore who is really instinctive and is getting creamed along with the backs in this system. If knapp is back as the OC Palmer has to get fed up and look to long time health next year.
December 28th, 2012 at 2:34 am
it’s all just so plodding and predictable this year.
December 28th, 2012 at 3:17 am
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December 28th, 2012 at 5:13 am
Morning, Nation!!
Heres an interesting headline: Soon-to-be free agent Josh Cribbs is frustrated in Cleveland
This guy would give us an actual THREAT in the return game and is a playmaker on offense… Any thoughts??
December 28th, 2012 at 5:15 am
It’s been quite awhile since I posted last, so here goes:
First, I want to wish all the Raider brethren a Happy Holiday Season and joyous New Year — let’s hope that 2013 brings back a winning record and potential playoff run.
Now, on to business/analysis:
Reggie still needs time to turn this ship around. Dear old Al, for as much as he loved his team, made moves that really set the franchise back in myriad ways. I have nothing against Carson Palmer, but the price was too high. We should have just inserted Pryor for the rest of the season when Campbell went down and let him learn; then build around him with the next draft.
We were decimated by not having many good picks. Moore and Streater were excellent examples of mining talent in the lower rounds (just like Murphy, a few years ago), but I can’t help thinking where we would’ve been with a player like either Raji or Orakpo at the slot where we drafted DHB.
I love Darren McFadden, but he needs to go — we need to get as much for him in trade value as possible, and re-build this team — the ENTIRE TEAM. It’ll take awhile, but it can be done. Keep Carson and Pryor as your QBs — sign Leinart if you can, but don’t break the bank. Corners, Corners, Corners — we need Corners! Let’s go shopping for defensive linemen, offensive linemen and maybe one or two linebackers.
With a potential top three pick in the draft, I would either go in for the nose tackle out of Utah, or trade down and try to land two higher-round picks somewhere. Say bye-bye to both Seymour and Kelly, and let’s change the mindset to building a team of character and quality — enough with the overpriced divas who talk about “leadership” and the “Raider way”. WINNING is the Raider way — that’s what we need to focus on now — COMMITMENT TO WINNING!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:21 am
I also agree with the previous analysis that Hue should’ve been kept around another year. For all his faults, he was a passionate man and a connection to Al. By gutting the system entirely, Reggie basically tossed in the towel for the 2012 season. Now, let’s see how long it takes to rebuild the proud Raider vessel and convert into the once-feared Pirate ship (as opposed to the now much-maligned and too-often-laughed-at toy boat!)
December 28th, 2012 at 5:22 am
Good post, Tbone! Yeah, so many bad high-round picks really hurt this team.. What sucks is take a look at past years first and even second rounds, look at who the Raiders took, then look at who was selected immediately afterward… Makes you want to puke…
December 28th, 2012 at 5:29 am
Carson Palmer as an OC? Straight off the playing field?
GG, your off your rocker. Even the most respected guys (which Palmer is not) have to usually be an assistant position coach first, like Wiz and Biekert as an example, before they become a full own co-ordinator.
Carson Palmer couldn’t retire tomorrow and become an OC for at least 5 years.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:30 am
I’m tired of puking!! It’s been like living one long (ten-year) hangover!! I remember a couple of years ago when San Francisco picked up two good offensive linemen in the first round and I thought to myself, “Yeah, that’s the way you do it!” Now, let’s see how many picks we can garner by getting rid of some of the freeloaders and divas and bringing in some “ballers”. I wouldn’t mind bringing in Cribbs, for the right price, but that is certainly not where the focus needs to be!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:32 am
RE post 430:
He probably meant “living in the OC”, not “working as an OC”!!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:45 am
Alright — here’s what I’d do: package DMac to Cincinnati for their 32nd and 53rd picks (both second rounders) — they’re probably looking for a running back anyway. Dmac is not going to help us next year if we don’t fix everything around him, which we don’t have enough leeway to do, before getting him killed. That would give Cincy a dynamic back (as long as he stays healthy – a big question mark – and gives the Raiders some much-needed picks. I say it’s worth a shot …
December 28th, 2012 at 5:49 am
If you trade, trade out of the conference.
Cardinals the perfect team, including RB need. Theyd take both Palmer and Dmac. Theyd also be very close to another SB with those two + Fitzgerald and their very good D.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:02 am
Don’t really want to trade Dmac but if we’re not going to use a system that plays to his strengths then he might aswell be traded.
Lions need help at RB.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:04 am
Good Morning Nation and Happy Aloha Friday! Last one for 2012!
December 28th, 2012 at 6:05 am
here’s what I’d do: package DMac to Cincinnati for their 32nd and 53rd picks (both second rounders)
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LOL…..so what is plan B when they hang up the phone after 5 seconds?
We MIGHT, JUST MIGHT, be able to get a 3rd rounder for Darren, and that isn’t likely.
Green-Ellis is a better RB than McFadden. One fumble his whole career, never hurt, makes way less.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Teams can draft a guy like Alfred Morris in the 5th round, or BJGE in FA, pay they guy 800K and know what they are getting.
There isn’t a team in the league that will (A) give up a decent pick for McFadden abd (B) pay him 4.5 million dollars. Right now he is the 4th highest paid RB in the NFL, and maybe the 16th best RB.
Always hurt, fumbles too much.
He is not a headache any team will give up a pick to take on.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:20 am
That’s a fair point JFB
But you could also look at it like….there’ll GMs/HCs out there who’ll understand Dmac was a beast in the PBS and that he was made to look worse than he is under Knapp and the ZBS. Teams running the PBS and needing some firepower, playmakers. They’ll be extra interested because of Dmac’s bad play this year they can haggle for lesser value and get it.
Also, as per my Cardinals idea, you could package Palmer and Dmac together making the package more attractive than the individual parts if sold separately.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:22 am
DMAC and Palmer would take up about 15% of a salary cap together.
Good luck selling that on to another team.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:22 am
DMAC and Palmer would take up about 15% of a salary cap together.
Good luck selling that on to another team.
LOL, Come on JFB…there were worse trades than that…
December 28th, 2012 at 6:26 am
You often get players restructuring their contracts to make trades happen.
Not sure about Palmer, but I’m guessing a lot of players on the 2012 raiders are keen to get out and would restructure for the benefit of the new team, not lose their interest.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:27 am
THROW TOMMY KELLY IN THE DEAL..
December 28th, 2012 at 6:30 am
ANY 3 PLAYERS ON THE OAKLAND ROSTER FOR YOUR ENTIRE LIST OF PICKS..
December 28th, 2012 at 6:33 am
Dont wanna see Brady hand off to DMC no ty
December 28th, 2012 at 6:40 am
438.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Teams can draft a guy like Alfred Morris in the 5th round, or BJGE in FA, pay they guy 800K and know what they are getting.
There isn’t a team in the league that will (A) give up a decent pick for McFadden abd (B) pay him 4.5 million dollars. Right now he is the 4th highest paid RB in the NFL, and maybe the 16th best RB.
Always hurt, fumbles too much.
He is not a headache any team will give up a pick to take on.
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Reality is not commonly found on this blog, but when it is it stands out. Hue Jackson calling McFadden the best player in the NFL was a bunch of hot air. I’d take Shady McCoy over McFadden any day of the week.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:43 am
Marshall Faulk was in his prime, fresh off a 2,000 yard from scrimmage season, and was traded for a 2nd round pick.
And since then, trade values for current players has diminished.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:44 am
Lesean McCoy made 615K this season, 13% of what McFadden made.
And Darren can’t hold a candle to that kid.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:53 am
Do wonder about this tho. Florio picked it.
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Ray Anderson likely is safe
Posted by Mike Florio on October 16, 2012, 8:42 AM EST
In the wake of the replacement official debacle, league insiders were buzzing about the possibility that NFL V.P. of football operations Ray Anderson will be fired.
Of course, folks with first-tier NFL jobs rarely are ever fired in the traditional sense. The perceived protocol entails waiting for the dust to settle so that it’s not an obvious knee-jerk response and then allowing the person to transition into a high-profile job with one of the 32 teams.
As to Anderson, who is regarded as the person who mistakenly concluded that the replacement officials would do well enough to hold down the fort during the lockout of the real officials and whose statements about the real officials has undermined in many respects his ability to lead them, a source with knowledge of the dynamics among the owners tells PFT that Anderson most likely won’t be let go.
Instead, Anderson is expected to be assigned a position with less overall responsibility, with at a minimum the officiating department moving out from under his control. Part of that change will flow from the damage done to the relationship between the league office and the officials as a result of the lockout. Part of that, as the source explained it, also will come from the fact that Anderson simply has too much under his umbrella of jurisdiction.
We also have developed the distinct impression that, as the NFL continues to grow and thrive, key management positions no longer will automatically go to “football people” who graduated from other jobs in the football business to significant jobs in the league office. Instead, the league could start looking for folks from other industries who have demonstrated the ability to handle high-paying, high-profile, high-power jobs that entail operating under a high-powered microscope.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:53 am
Kinda curious to actually see what happens next week on…Allen and Mckenzie are gonna evaluate the staff…I say it should have been evaluated already…end 2012 on a bang with Knapp landing somewhere in McCovey Cove!
December 28th, 2012 at 7:02 am
WHAT EVER THE ORGANISATION DECIDES,I HOPE THEY MAKE IT CLEAR ONE WAY OR THE OTHER MONDAY.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:06 am
Exactly, Dirt Lot!
December 28th, 2012 at 7:11 am
I bet they take their sweet time, evaluating. Post SB.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:14 am
Good morning, Vietn…Raider Nation!
December 28th, 2012 at 7:14 am
Hope you all had a good holiday so far.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:15 am
So far so good sir!
December 28th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Can’t really pluck anyone from NFL staffs until after the SB anyways right?
Could look at the college ranks, but I don’t see us going that way offensively.
DA and Tarver will stay, Knapp will be replaced by a better co-ordinator of the ZBS scheme.
Maybe someone from the Packers staff. Probably will be a first-time OC, IMO.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Speaking of OCs, interesting article on PFT worth reading…
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/28/minority-coaches-not-getting-opportunities-to-run-offenses/
December 28th, 2012 at 7:29 am
We can pluck from other staffs pre-SB if it’s a move up to HC
Or, laterally across with an Assistant HC tag
Or if it’s someone finishing up their contract that year, like how Reggie came across.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:31 am
I don’t think Gruden is coming, as Hub Arkush suggested. I do believe there was discussion from the two sides but it’s very simple…Gruden turned the idea down.
We would’ve probably heard something more brewing about this if it were true.
That being said, since it looks like we’re rolling with DA all we can do is hope for the best…despite my own feeling he is not committed to winning first and foremost.
I think he and Reggie WANT to win, but they want to do it THEIR WAY..or forget it.
That would explain DA being wrong when he said “at the end of the season we’ll look back and see that McFadden was successful”.
I will be irate…and everyone else should as well, if he says DMAC indeed WAS “successful”.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:33 am
Even lienart knows we should be playing tp by now… fùck you da.. liar!
December 28th, 2012 at 7:34 am
With news that Rex is demanding to be fired if Woody Johnson doesnt give him more control, one of the demands being to significantly improve the OC role…it’s possible Norv Turner takes Alex Smith with him to New York.
Or are the rumors of Alex Smith to Oakland (thus Norv too) likelier?
That would mean Palmer trade, and Smith-Pryor for 2013.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:37 am
I think he and Reggie WANT to win, but they want to do it THEIR WAY..or forget it.
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Of course they think this way, as did our previous GM and the other 31 GM’s in the NFL.
You think otherwise?
If you win some other way than “your way” you will be fired anyways.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Any three raiders for a 1st rd pick?
December 28th, 2012 at 7:39 am
trade mumbles for an egg mcmuffin….
December 28th, 2012 at 7:41 am
We can pluck from other staffs pre-SB if it’s a move up to HC
Or, laterally across with an Assistant HC tag
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Well neither of those are happening, so the best bet is that we will be “linked” to be interested in an assistant on a playoff team, or looking to see if the HC retreads (Reid, Turner) don’t get HC jobs and might want to be an OC here.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:41 am
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/dec/27/raiders/
The Raiders will have their annual home-away-from-home game in SD this weekend. The doltz had 4 blackout games this season, and if it weren’t for the Raider Nation this game would have also been.
Just another reason for the Raiders to move back into SoCal. I know that SoCal Raider Nation by far outnumbers the BA and NoCal Raiders fans.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:44 am
move them to socal…at least those fans arent dumb enough to trade dmc fof a turkey sandwhich…
December 28th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Leinart has certainly earned a start….in the CFL.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:45 am
McFadden is toast, clearly lost a step from the injuries, doesn’t break tackles anymore.
He will leave here and be out of the league in 2 years.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Shaun Alexander lead the league in rushing, won MVP, and was then out of the league two years later.
The NFL is cold-blooded towards RB’s. Once they lose a step, teams would rather look at a youngster.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:48 am
How about this JFB…
Regarding that article i posted about minority OC’s and play-callers.
Hue Jackson comes across as OC and Asst HC to serve alongside Dennis Allen
That would make an interesting drama. Surely HBO would want the Raiders for Hard Knocks.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:49 am
lmao …2 years? did you like romney?…lol
December 28th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Oh im sure everybody in socals stupid too..
December 28th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Reid is not going to take an OC job….he is too established as a winner.
Norv knows his chances at being a HC are over, so he will be more willing to take an OC job while still collecting his HC paycheck from the Dolts.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Leinart has certainly earned a start….in the CFL.
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In the lingerie league.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:51 am
egg mcmuffin…turkey sandwich…toast….
Shoot, I’m getting hungry!
Almost lunch time here in Happy Valley.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:52 am
GG,
Stop with the conspiracy theories, your wasting everyone’s time with those wild notions and smiley-faces.
Hue Jackson…..lol. Mark Davis would refuse to sign his paychecks.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:52 am
jerry jones would offer the most value for DMAC
December 28th, 2012 at 7:54 am
It was a joke sheesh
December 28th, 2012 at 7:54 am
479.C2E Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:52 am
jerry jones would offer the most value for DMAC
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They already have a RB that is pretty good.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:54 am
It was a joke sheesh
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You always got these crazy, wild-haired theories man!!!
Can’t tell if they are jokes or not anymore.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:55 am
I’ve been wondering lately (not much, mebbe twice) whether the Raiders employee a sports psychologist or two.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:55 am
jj covets the razorback though and may be too tempting to pass on it
December 28th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Mustn’t upset JFB’s early morning serious-time coffee with smiley faces
December 28th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Not a smiley-face type of guy, sorry, lol
December 28th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Id hire pat hill to coach sp teams. Hes coaching ol for atl this yr..his spteams were always great at fsu. he knows football and he knows how to motivate.. plus he might be glad to come back to cali. We need upgrades for most if not all of our coaches…
December 28th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Out of the box thinking….
Cut or Trade Palmer…
Then sign Fitzpatrick once hes cut…incentive cap friendly 1 yr deal…with teh promise of a shot at starting in 13….
let him and pryor go at it…best man wins..and u have a good backup option eitehr way shoudl someone falter or get hurt during season….Need two options ready to go in this NFL (see Boller, See Leinert (this yr and last yr with Texans))
Fitzpatrick would/should be a lot cheaper option than Palmer. Plus hes younge and I actually like the moxie of Fitz.
Thoughts?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/28/fitzpatrick-doesnt-have-much-to-say-about-future-with-bills/
December 28th, 2012 at 8:06 am
I think we might need to hire a sports weblog psychologist for some folks herein (excluding current posters).
December 28th, 2012 at 8:07 am
I wish we could get Brian Schneider and Tom Rathman back as special teams coach and RBs coach respectively.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Fitzpatrick is trash. Next option? lol
December 28th, 2012 at 8:08 am
490.Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:07 am
I wish we could get Brian Schneider and Tom Rathman back as special teams coach and RBs coach respectively.
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Definetly need Rathman back. Teach Reese and Jones how to block
December 28th, 2012 at 8:09 am
What a season. Great expectations and then this. And to top it off, we will have to listen to Dakota as FF champion. What a disaster. lmfao
December 28th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Marc Trestman would be a great get as OC/Asst HC.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:12 am
No to Fitz, I would take him as a backup but not a starter.
Think this team is going to go youthful at QB.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Trade evrybody and just start over
December 28th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!!! It’s a beautiful day to be a Raider Fan, isn’t it?
December 28th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Fire Allen!
December 28th, 2012 at 8:13 am
I don’t think anyone will be named “assistant” HC, unless it is DA’s choice, and I think he would choose not to have anyone named that.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:14 am
How come Mark Davis doesn’t have a birthday? Or month? Or even a year of birth?
December 28th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Yesterday someone mentioned Ron Rivera getting kicked out of Carolina.Would be interested in taking him as our D coach if it happens.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:16 am
500.Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:14 am
How come Mark Davis doesn’t have a birthday? Or month? Or even a year of birth?
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Or wife or girlfriend or boyfriend?
December 28th, 2012 at 8:17 am
How come Mark Davis doesn’t have a birthday? Or month? Or even a year of birth?
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Bloke in the pub told me Mark Davis has acid for blood.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:20 am
lol, yep, never seen someone so high-profile (even when just son of Al) with so little known about him. His wikipedia page for instance.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:24 am
This was written last year…
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Al Davis had owned 67 percent of the Raiders, but that dropped to 47 percent in 2007 when he sold a 20 percent interest to a group of investors led by East Coast businessmen David Abrams, director of the Abrams Capital investment firm, Paul Leff, founder of the Perry Corp. money-management firm, and Dan Goldring, managing director at Perry Corp. The deal gave the group no control of the franchise at the time of the sale or in the future.
Last month, Forbes magazine valued the Raiders at $761 million, second lowest in the NFL, behind only the Jacksonville Jaguars.
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Second lowest to the Jags…it’s a given we’ll end up in LA again.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:28 am
We’ll get a lot of compensatory picks in the 2014 draft with the number of FAs that we’ll lose this season.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:28 am
We need a beast DE to get to the QB on 3rd downs, not a NT that can’t help on 3rd down.
I think our in ept offense needs more than just a new OC.
LT in rd 1!!!!!
December 28th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Second lowest to the Jags…it’s a given we’ll end up in LA again.
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Could be worse.The nfl is chompin’ at the bit to put a team in London.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Moore or Werner if the LT is gone.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Wassup Neilb!
How are thing across the pond, man?
December 28th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Right I was! See JFB, sometimes my ‘thinking out loud’ is insightful…
ESPN New York reports that the Jets are interested in Chargers head coach Norv Turner and former Ravens OC Cam Cameron as potential offensive coordinators for 2013.
Turner is fully expected to be fired by San Diego on Monday, and he recently told reporters that he wants to stay in coaching next season. Cameron runs a conservative offense, so Jets fans would likely not be too keen on that idea. Under Tony Sparano’s lead this season, New York ranks No. 30 in the NFL in total offense. Turner would seem to have plenty of other options around the league as a strong offensive mind. He may not want to be a part of that messy quarterback situation up in New Jersey.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Fire Knapp
Sign Dwayne Bowe
Draft a LT
December 28th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Morning J Hill….
Awful – won’t stop raining.Should have asked Santa for a boat.
Yourself? No pea related news?
December 28th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Anyone think Norv would come back as O coach?
December 28th, 2012 at 8:36 am
RE 503:
Then we know for a fact that he is NOT adopted!
December 28th, 2012 at 8:36 am
How about Bowe (Flanker) AND Jennings (split-end).
Alex Smith and Pryor QBs.
Norv Turner OC (air coryell).
December 28th, 2012 at 8:38 am
neilb Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Anyone think Norv would come back as O coach?
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His name has come up a few times so far.
I would imagine that he will end up as an OCO somewhere.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Out of curiosity, if we were to hire Norv, would he paid more or less than Tits?
December 28th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Question is…would Reggie/Allen, who love the WCO only 2nd behind ’staying the course’ want to hire a PBS/Air Coryell OC?
December 28th, 2012 at 8:40 am
turner = good OCO
DA = good ????
December 28th, 2012 at 8:41 am
*be….my bad
December 28th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Morning Nation..
December 28th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Norv will likely go to New York; don’t see him coming back to Oakland. It would be interesting to see if we could lure Josh McDaniels back into the AFC West, as an OC. My other thought was to bring in Romeo Crennel as the DC, if he got cut loose from Kansas City. That would be plenty of inner-division incentive for those two guys to really stick it to the Donks and Chefs.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Norv and Ron Rivera as O and D coach would be interesting,but it would never happen.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:42 am
the new org will not be taking on any new big FA contracts.
So the big name check cashers will automatically cross the Raiders off their list.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:42 am
J
LT?
Velds not good enough?? I say solid i unspectacular. Would rather snag a RT in FA or later in draft. Unless the idea is to grab a ‘franchise’ LT and kick Veldheer to the right side?
Intriguing but I think we have more pressing needs elsewhere.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:43 am
solid IF unspectacular*
December 28th, 2012 at 8:43 am
If they really want to keep Knapp, then I want Vick brought in.
Otherwise.. Turner, Wisenhunt, Cameron should be options.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is faced with the task of preparing game plans for two quarterbacks with distinct skill sets — Leinart the pure pocket passer, Pryor the mobile, athletic quarterback.
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Man! Hed has enough trouble getting ready for one.
Make up your mind Allen.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:44 am
neilb Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Anyone think Norv would come back as O coach?
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I doubt it, thats how we wound up with the sleeper in the first place. I doubt knapp goes anywhere.
Team will continue to churn the rosters to get “heir guys”
December 28th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:42 am
the new org will not be taking on any new big FA contracts.
So the big name check cashers will automatically cross the Raiders off their list.
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Salary Cap & prior regime dealings dictates that, not the new org.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:44 am
That’s good thinking Raidertbone. Creating extra incentive in divisional rivalries.
Only problem is Dennis Allen not having a divisional chip on his shoulder.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:45 am
You guys keep mentioning Norv. It makes too much sense. We would have to scrap the ZBS and install another new system. Granted, it would fit quite nicely with an upgrade or two on the O Line (which needs to happen anyway) but I bet we keep ZBS around and just get someone else to run it.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:45 am
D-Line/Linebackers
Corners
A couple of more O-line pieces
That’s what we need …
December 28th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Norv will likely go to New York; don’t see him coming back to Oakland. It would be interesting to see if we could lure Josh McDaniels back into the AFC West, as an OC. My other thought was to bring in Romeo Crennel as the DC, if he got cut loose from Kansas City. That would be plenty of inner-division incentive for those two guys to really stick it to the Donks and Chefs.
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rumor is McDaniels going to Chicago … inter-division incentive for Turner would be intense, too.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:45 am
I’snt McDaniels back with the pats – can’t see him moving unless its for a Head coaches job.
Crennel.I’d forgot about him.Would be worth a look.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:45 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:45 am
You guys keep mentioning Norv. It makes too much sense. We would have to scrap the ZBS and install another new system. Granted, it would fit quite nicely with an upgrade or two on the O Line (which needs to happen anyway) but I bet we keep ZBS around and just get someone else to run it.
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Aren’t Palmer and Turner neighbors in Lajolla? Of course it makes too much sense.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Josh McDaniels is a Head Coach candidate, linked to San Diego..
Why would he leave as the OC of the best offense in the NFL to be a OC somewhere else….
December 28th, 2012 at 8:46 am
525.Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:42 am
the new org will not be taking on any new big FA contracts.
So the big name check cashers will automatically cross the Raiders off their list.
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I’ll take 4 or 5 Phillip Wheelers, please (and of course, Phil brought back).
December 28th, 2012 at 8:46 am
FIRE FIRE FIRE THEM ALLLLLL!
December 28th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Pass Rush & Oline. Period.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Josh McDaniels is a Head Coach candidate, linked to San Diego..
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DOPE!
Let’s shoot for 62 next time!
December 28th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Been looking at nfl.com.Got a feature on who might get sacked on Monday.
Says Allen should stay – Knapp should go.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Neilb Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:45 am
I’snt McDaniels back with the pats – can’t see him moving unless its for a Head coaches job.
Crennel.I’d forgot about him.Would be worth a look.
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Crennel might take a season off…how do you go back to coaching after seeing one of your players kill himself?!
December 28th, 2012 at 8:49 am
I don’t see Reid taking a coaching position this coming year. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him take a year off, work on his own health and family issues. Mebbe take a weekend analyst job to keep his finger in the mix.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:49 am
DAV:
You’re right, of course. I certainly see McDaniels getting a head coaching shot. He’s an Ohio boy – it could come as early as this year, with the Browns.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:49 am
If we fire Knapp like most of us want, you know we are still going to end up with some chump…..like Sparano, or Cam Cameron.
It is inevitable.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:50 am
RaiderSam:
You just get right back up on the horse. Andy Reid has already said he’s gonna come right back; Romeo just needs a different venue.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:49 am
DAV:
You’re right, of course. I certainly see McDaniels getting a head coaching shot. He’s an Ohio boy – it could come as early as this year, with the Browns.
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and he was never heard from again….
December 28th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Good point Sam.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:50 am
RaiderSam:
You just get right back up on the horse. Andy Reid has already said he’s gonna come right back; Romeo just needs a different venue.
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Yeah, Andy had his son commit suicide and he put the headphones right back on.
good point.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:52 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Josh McDaniels is a Head Coach candidate, linked to San Diego..
Why would he leave as the OC of the best offense in the NFL to be a OC somewhere else….
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Can you imagine the shouting matches with that rockhead and Rivers?! Comedic Gold!
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 am
I like Allen.
Emotion doesn’t work for everyone. I would rather have a guy who is in control of his emotions stay that way than have him act all over the top — or vice versa.
I like what he’s trying to do, which is keep guys calm, cool, collected and get hard workers who love the game.
We need a good dose of that.
DA’s problem was getting Knapp — 3rd, 4th, 50th choice, doesn’t matter — that was a disaster waiting to happen. Why not just keep Al Saunders? Seems apparent the move to ZBS came from on high, which is why I would scracth Norv off the list.
Also, his halftime adjustments, or lack thereof.
Essentially, things that would (hopefully) come with experience.
Honestly, DA will probably have to be a guy like Cable. Looks way better with quality coaches around him (’captain of the coaches’), versus a Bill B., who seemingly plugs in anyone and they succeed (and not necessarily succeed anywhere outside NE).
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Time for some dinner.
Have a great Friday everyone.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Neilb Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Been looking at nfl.com.Got a feature on who might get sacked on Monday.
Says Allen should stay – Knapp should go
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Brilliant. I’m thinking its a “Either he goes, or you both go” mandate from Mark Davis.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Maybe we can send McFadden, Palmer and Knapp to the NY Jets for 3 first round picks?
Seriously though….McFadden and Palmer might be exactly what the Jets need. I think the Jets run a power blocking scheme. And Palmer is an upgrade at QB who can win if the Jets get their defense back in order next season.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:54 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:42 am
the new org will not be taking on any new big FA contracts.
So the big name check cashers will automatically cross the Raiders off their list.
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Salary Cap & prior regime dealings dictates that, not the new org.
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Regardless….Thec is right. We don’t need no check cashers anymore.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Neilb Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Time for some dinner.
Have a great Friday everyone.
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Damn, Dude, you were blogging until 9 before you ate dinner!
Raider Nation IS A PRIORITY!
December 28th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Free Agents:
LB – Chase Blackburn
DT – Justin Bannan
NT – Ricky Jean-Francois
DE/OLB – Trevor Scott
Draft:
1 – Bjoern Werner [DE]
3 – Kyle Long [RT]
4 – Tyrann Matthieu [DB/KR]
5 – Zaviar Gooden [LB]
Your welcome.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:57 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 am
I like Allen.
Emotion doesn’t work for everyone. I would rather have a guy who is in control of his emotions stay that way than have him act all over the top — or vice versa.
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Last week was the most pissed off I’d seen DA all year. It was actually refreshing to see him wear his “Mean” face and actually shouting…..instead of wrinkling his nose and writing notes on his clipboard.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Maybe we can send McFadden, Palmer and Knapp to the NY Jets for 3 first round picks?
Seriously though….McFadden and Palmer might be exactly what the Jets need. I think the Jets run a power blocking scheme. And Palmer is an upgrade at QB who can win if the Jets get their defense back in order next season.
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Depends if Sporano stays…and Jets would probably be arrogant enough to pull another “all we need is one more playmaker” move…plus Clinkscales has a history with them and could help prop that move up, as well.
i thought we could trade #3 down with them for the 16th and 44th pick
December 28th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Maybe we can send McFadden, Palmer and Knapp to the NY Jets for 3 first round picks?
Seriously though….McFadden and Palmer might be exactly what the Jets need. I think the Jets run a power blocking scheme. And Palmer is an upgrade at QB who can win if the Jets get their defense back in order next season.
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I think we can get more for DMC from the Packers..
And more for Carson from the Cardinals/Bills..
December 28th, 2012 at 8:58 am
DAV, you change your mind on Deion Jordan?
December 28th, 2012 at 8:58 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 am
I like Allen.
Emotion doesn’t work for everyone. I would rather have a guy who is in control of his emotions stay that way than have him act all over the top — or vice versa.
I like what he’s trying to do, which is keep guys calm, cool, collected and get hard workers who love the game.
We need a good dose of that.
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Calm, Cool and Collected is fine, as long as it doesn’t go hand in hand with Clueless. No progress over the course of a 16 game schedule, no improvement in any aspect of the three main areas of football, no halftime adjustments = Clueless.
Some guys are just destined to be position coaches. DA didn’t exactly light the world on fire as a DC last year with the Broncos either. There was a stretch where they were good, but they ended the year very badly.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Draft:
1 – Bjoern Werner [DE]
3 – Kyle Long [RT]
4 – Tyrann Matthieu [DB/KR]
5 – Zaviar Gooden [LB]
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I like this draft.
Would we get Mattieu though with his ‘character issues’?
We’re the Oakland Choirboys now.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:59 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Free Agents:
LB – Chase Blackburn
DT – Justin Bannan
NT – Ricky Jean-Francois
DE/OLB – Trevor Scott
Draft:
1 – Bjoern Werner [DE]
3 – Kyle Long [RT]
4 – Tyrann Matthieu [DB/KR]
5 – Zaviar Gooden [LB]
Your welcome.
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no way Denver would let Bannan go..he’s one of their best defenders (at least this year)….and Trevor Smith coming back?!
like the Werner and Long picks, though!
December 28th, 2012 at 9:00 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Maybe we can send McFadden, Palmer and Knapp to the NY Jets for 3 first round picks?
Seriously though….McFadden and Palmer might be exactly what the Jets need. I think the Jets run a power blocking scheme. And Palmer is an upgrade at QB who can win if the Jets get their defense back in order next season.
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I think we can get more for DMC from the Packers..
And more for Carson from the Cardinals/Bills..
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Palmer had better pray they draft an 0T or 2…they went through 5 QB’s and Kolb got blasted out of the season behind that turnstile…
December 28th, 2012 at 9:00 am
theghostronin79 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:58 am
DAV, you change your mind on Deion Jordan?
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No sir, changed my mind on the possibility of a trade down..
Gonna operate with the mentality we dont trade down just to be safe..
December 28th, 2012 at 9:00 am
I wouldn’t say DA made no progress.
The defense has been quite good over the last several games.
Browns
Denver
KC
Carolina
Good enough for us to win each of those games.
He may have actually got the D to finally come around.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Salary Cap & prior regime dealings dictates that, not the new org.
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You make my argument for me.
This org is diametrically opposite of the last, which is why we WONT be siging any riduckous contracts.
Now what will be the impetus for guys like a “Bowe” to sign here????
December 28th, 2012 at 9:01 am
If I were Reggie, I would want to bring in someone with a lot of experience, who has a long pedigree, some actual head coaching experience, is hungry for the opportunity and also has connections to the Raiders – how about our old friend Terry Robiskie?
That would give stability to the coaching position for a few years, until we get the rest of the ship in order, and we would have a guy who could say things that the players might actually LISTEN TO!!
December 28th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Salary Cap & prior regime dealings dictates that, not the new org.
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You make my argument for me.
This org is diametrically opposite of the last, which is why we WONT be siging any riduckous contracts.
Now what will be the impetus for guys like a “Bowe” to sign here????
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Well I was agreeing with you so.. LOL..
Notice, none of my Free Agent wishlists have included a big name
December 28th, 2012 at 9:03 am
I think we can get more for DMC from the Packers..
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The Packers run a ZBS correct? If they have their heads up their butts so far that they are unaware of McFadden’s trouble in that particular scheme, then I will personally send them letters and e-mails explaining the issue.
My man McFadden needs to go to a team that knows how to run the ball.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:03 am
I wouldn’t put it past Reggie to make a big signing. Out of whack contract = too much money per production.
If he pays for production, what’s the issue?
I still say he makes a bunch of day 2+ type signings of under-the-radar guys like Wheeler, but you never know.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:03 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:01 am
If I were Reggie, I would want to bring in someone with a lot of experience, who has a long pedigree, some actual head coaching experience, is hungry for the opportunity and also has connections to the Raiders – how about our old friend Terry Robiskie?
That would give stability to the coaching position for a few years, until we get the rest of the ship in order, and we would have a guy who could say things that the players might actually LISTEN TO!!
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You’re joking right..
December 28th, 2012 at 9:03 am
The draft should be trenchmen that fit both schemes.
Pass rushing DE’s should be the first order of the day.
I do not care who you are at MLB, if the trench cant keep you clean you will get dirty…
December 28th, 2012 at 9:04 am
the only free agents reggie will bring in are practice squad players on 1 year contracts….smallball era has begun.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:03 am
The draft should be trenchmen that fit both schemes.
Pass rushing DE’s should be the first order of the day.
I do not care who you are at MLB, if the trench cant keep you clean you will get dirty…
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The exact reason why Te’o makes no sense.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Well I was agreeing with you so.. LOL..
Notice, none of my Free Agent wishlists have included a big name
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lol…I missed that… after looking at the list, it is in line with how the org thinks…My bad
December 28th, 2012 at 9:05 am
If only we could get Jarvis Jones with the #3 pick …
December 28th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Also, im going to be going off the premise that we will be a 4-3 team, with some 3-4 sprinkled in like this year.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:01 am
If I were Reggie, I would want to bring in someone with a lot of experience, who has a long pedigree, some actual head coaching experience, is hungry for the opportunity and also has connections to the Raiders – how about our old friend Terry Robiskie?
That would give stability to the coaching position for a few years, until we get the rest of the ship in order, and we would have a guy who could say things that the players might actually LISTEN TO!!
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I said that the minute Art Shell took Tom Walsh. The only coordinator worse than Knapp, and he arguably was more successful.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:07 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:05 am
If only we could get Jarvis Jones with the #3 pick …
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No thanks.
Dude didnt show up in the big games vs good talent..
December 28th, 2012 at 9:07 am
4-3, 3-4 … whatever … at this point, I’ll just settle for 8-8.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:03 am
The draft should be trenchmen that fit both schemes.
Pass rushing DE’s should be the first order of the day.
I do not care who you are at MLB, if the trench cant keep you clean you will get dirty…
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I agree completely……As enticing as a guy like Teo IS, Trenchmen are priority #1.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:07 am
I understand what you mean about Reid getting back up on the horse. But I have to wonder if the wife and family might have something to say about it. After all, if you look at him, he’s paid a price for what he does with his weight. He’s gotten huge in the past year or two (he’s always been big). A guy his age with his weight is prone to heart attack and diabetes. I think he has trouble with emotions and uses food to “deal” with it. Yet, that said, I’m sure he’ll be coaching somewhere. I just think he’d do a better job of coaching if he took a year off and got his sh*t in order.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:08 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:03 am
I wouldn’t put it past Reggie to make a big signing. Out of whack contract = too much money per production.
If he pays for production, what’s the issue?
I still say he makes a bunch of day 2+ type signings of under-the-radar guys like Wheeler, but you never know.
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So types like Larry Grant or Charlie Peprah
not types like Dashon Goldson or Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:08 am
DAV:
So what do you think – trade down?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:08 am
You guys clamoring for guys like “bowe” are off your nut.
Why the F would bowe want to come here?
Money? With the new sheriff in town, no way bowe gets the money Mr. Davis use to doll out.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:08 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:07 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:05 am
If only we could get Jarvis Jones with the #3 pick …
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No thanks.
Dude didnt show up in the big games vs good talent..
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Bama ran all over him. AND their big DT’s
December 28th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Te’o makes a lot of sense based on what DA has been talking about most of the year. That we don’t have that leader on D, a guy other guys can look to.
Reg said our D Line was fine. If Kelly is under contract, he’ll probably come back. Richard is probably gone but Bryant has stepped in nicely.
We can get a pash rusher as FA or later in draft.
I think if they are sold on Te’o’s ‘intangibles,’ he’s the pick. And I would be quite happy, despite our big time need for an elite pass rusher.
Best Player Available is Reggie’s philosophy, so we’ll see. Free agency will also dictate what we do on draft day to an extent.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:09 am
His name is Luke Joeckel.
Might as well get it down now, because he will be the talk of this board between now and draft day if I have any say in it.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:10 am
584….,me too
December 28th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Scourge:
I agree with your overall assessment. Hard-driving coaches, however, often find it very hard to change the lifestyle. I think Gruden, Jimmy Johnson and Cowher are more the exception than the rule.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:03 am
The draft should be trenchmen that fit both schemes.
Pass rushing DE’s should be the first order of the day.
I do not care who you are at MLB, if the trench cant keep you clean you will get dirty…
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I agree completely……As enticing as a guy like Teo IS, Trenchmen are priority #1.
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especially with Seymour out of here
so
Star, Luke Matthews or a trade down and Johnathan Hankins or Barret Jones and a pass rusher later (Ezekial Ansah or Brandon Jenkins
then an LB or CB later.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:11 am
With my FAs/Draft:
DE – WERNER/CARTER/CRAWFORD
DT – BRYANT/JEAN-FRANCOIS
DT – HOUSTON/BANNAN/BILUKIDI
DE – SCOTT/SHAUGHNESSY
OLB – WHEELER
MLB – BLACKBURN/GOODEN
OLB – BURRIS
CB – ADAMS/CHEKWA
CB – ROSS/MATTHIEU
NB – HANSON
FS – HUFF
SS – BRANCH
December 28th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Look at all the winning teams I bet the trench is good, on both sides of the ball.
Been saying it for years now…
Trenchmen, are the new skill position players.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Good morning Nation and Green Party.
1- DT Star Lotulelie
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- ILB Andrew Jackson
December 28th, 2012 at 9:11 am
So types like Larry Grant or Charlie Peprah
not types like Dashon Goldson or Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie?
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My guess.
But we *should* have way more cap space this year.
I don’t see us blowing our wad on a bunch of FAs, but I can imagine us getting at least one big time FAs and the rest ’solid if unspectacular’ types.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Trade Palmer to the chefs for more picks and some guaranteed interceptions
December 28th, 2012 at 9:12 am
teo will hold out….for that matter with reggies smallball any player he picks will hold out…what kind of player will sign with reggies first pick? exactly a third rounder…
December 28th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:09 am
His name is Luke Joeckel.
Might as well get it down now, because he will be the talk of this board between now and draft day if I have any say in it.
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Thats my hope…
With him catching fire, that means more possibility of a trade down for us..
December 28th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Bjoern Werner please
December 28th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Good morning Nation and Green Party.
1- DT Star Lotulelie
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- ILB Andrew Jackson
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Hey, I like that one too… But we really need to get a RT…
December 28th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Violent Hands Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Trade Palmer to the chefs for more picks and some guaranteed interceptions
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Can we also trade DA and knapp, and keep A Saunders???
December 28th, 2012 at 9:14 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Attn: Primordial Ooze
Bresnahan was better than Tarver, or maybe he just had more to work with …
to say this team was rising with Hue at HC would be false. Tom Cable had this team at 8-8 before he got fired
Reggie inherited a mess and couldn’t afford to keep some key players: Campbell, Bush, Schilens, Boss, Satele on offense. Henderson, Wimbley, Scott, Routt, CJ37 on defense
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“Bresnahan was better than Tarver,”
You’re right on Cable and McKenzie, Rockstar, but I can’t agree that Breshahan was better than Tarver and Tarver does have different people but even if he didn’t Tarver would be better.
S
December 28th, 2012 at 9:14 am
If smallball is the order of the day, perhaps we should trade out of the 1st round altogether, and maybe try to get 2 second rounders.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:15 am
I like Moore more than Werner. Werner wasn’t the best pass rusher on that team. It was B Jenkins before his season ending injury.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:15 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:08 am
DAV:
So what do you think – trade down?
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I hope..
Rams make the most sense.. They have the Redskins 1st rounder..
December 28th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Violent, yuo think we can get a 1st and a 2nd for Average…err i mean palmer?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Tbone, I’m just suggesting a year off. Just one and then get back on the horse. The horse that’s throwing him is the only one he’s known for so long. When he goes to get back on after a year, it’d be a new/different horse.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Bresna-sham was HORRIBLE!!!
December 28th, 2012 at 9:16 am
neilb Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Second lowest to the Jags…it’s a given we’ll end up in LA again.
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Could be worse.The nfl is chompin’ at the bit to put a team in London.
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London would be better not worse. The Raiders would fit right in. Where do I go to get my season tickets?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:16 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:14 am
If smallball is the order of the day, perhaps we should trade out of the 1st round altogether, and maybe try to get 2 second rounders.
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Would make sense if there was no rookie cap.. But there is.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:15 am
I like Moore more than Werner. Werner wasn’t the best pass rusher on that team. It was B Jenkins before his season ending injury.
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Werner seems like a better overall football player.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Smallball? What does that even mean? Are you suggesting that Reggie will not want to pay a top pick big money?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Palmer and Pryor will probably be the two QBs going in — unless something earth-shattering happens.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:18 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Good morning Nation and Green Party.
1- DT Star Lotulelie
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- ILB Andrew Jackson
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Hey, I like that one too… But we really need to get a RT…
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Can’t fix all our needs in one draft. Notice I don’t have a CB, and I think it’s a huge need.
The draft is about Value. Brandon Jenkins a 1st round prospect before his injury is better value at 3rd than a late 3rd + round prospect RT.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:18 am
We keep average, we will not be going to the tournament.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Thec
No qb draft and chefs are more than desperate
December 28th, 2012 at 9:19 am
lets field a team completely composed of undrafted free agents…it will fix our salary cap situation fast…who cares about winning.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:20 am
I agree with the idea of getting linemen first. We really some. Perhaps some free agents beyond their prime with a year or two left in the tank and something to prove. And few later draft pickings.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:20 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:15 am
I like Moore more than Werner. Werner wasn’t the best pass rusher on that team. It was B Jenkins before his season ending injury.
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Werner seems like a better overall football player.
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You are right. He is much better than Jenkins against the run, but Jenkins is a better pass with elite speed and burst.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Pretty sure Reggie will want to make a FA splash this offseason and bring in one of the highest desired guys on the market.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:20 am
601.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:12 am
teo will hold out….for that matter with reggies smallball any player he picks will hold out…what kind of player will sign with reggies first pick? exactly a third rounder…
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****Chough chough*** rookie pay scale*** chough cough***
December 28th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Violent Hands Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Thec
No qb draft and chefs are more than desperate
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I am with you. we will never win anything with Average at QB
December 28th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Rookie salaries are now slotted. The #3 pick will get about 4 years and $20 million.
Salary is certainly not a reason to trade away a top five pick anymore.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Pretty sure Reggie will want to make a FA splash this offseason and bring in one of the highest desired guys on the market.
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I doubt this however…. Would you care to wager on it?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:22 am
626.Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Violent Hands Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Thec
No qb draft and chefs are more than desperate
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I am with you. we will never win anything with Average at QB
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How quickly you forget how long it took us to even get an average QB after Gannon lol.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:19 am
lets field a team completely composed of undrafted free agents…it will fix our salary cap situation fast…who cares about winning.
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Kurt Werner
Arian Foster
Wes Welker
December 28th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Agree with 615. Werner can rush the passer and is stout against the run.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Only way you trade away that pick is if you can get more picks… I am all for trading down.
Beacuse of Avergae, we do not have a 2nd.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Werner seems more well rounded and Moore the best pash rusher with the potential to be elite.
We sure could use an elite pass rusher. I think we already have several DE/DT well-rounded guys (translation: versatile but not a great run stuffer or pass rusher)
December 28th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:20 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:15 am
I like Moore more than Werner. Werner wasn’t the best pass rusher on that team. It was B Jenkins before his season ending injury.
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Werner seems like a better overall football player.
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You are right. He is much better than Jenkins against the run, but Jenkins is a better pass with elite speed and burst.
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Probably..
Id like to see the combine first.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:24 am
What Reggie really needs is Eliot.W to go with Heron
December 28th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Dakota:
So is Joeckel your choice at #3?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:25 am
reggies big fa will be briesels brother…
December 28th, 2012 at 9:25 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Werner seems more well rounded and Moore the best pash rusher with the potential to be elite.
We sure could use an elite pass rusher. I think we already have several DE/DT well-rounded guys (translation: versatile but not a great run stuffer or pass rusher)
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This is supposedly where mumbles can earn his keep.
By finding players. FOOTBALL PLAYERS
December 28th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Werner reminds me of Jared Allen.
Not the fastest, but can play great against both run/pass.
But his motor is non-stop..
December 28th, 2012 at 9:26 am
only 3 guys? need a whole team….
December 28th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Well, gents, chores to do and errands to run. Back later. Have a good rest of your day!!
December 28th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Despite constant double-teams, Werner had one of the finest seasons ever by a Florida State pass rusher. The junior defensive end was named a first-team All-American by the Football Writers Association of America, giving him unanimous status as a selection by the five major groups of voters (including the American Football Coaches Association, Associated Press, Walter Camp and Sporting News).
December 28th, 2012 at 9:28 am
I doubt this however…. Would you care to wager on it?
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Always down to wager, but putting together the logisics of what constitutes a top flight FA might be tricky.
We will be spending major dough though, believe that.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:29 am
636.raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Dakota:
So is Joeckel your choice at #3?
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I am leaning that way. I am not sure that any of the DEs in this draft are studs. I am leaning towards Star Lotuleli and Joeckel as my top two choices.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Word out of Oakland is Carson Palmer’s rib and lung injuries may be even worse than reported. In part because of the injury, some of the big dogs in Oakland are saying they don’t expect Palmer to return in 2013. That will put the Raiders squarely in the middle of what looks to be a very mediocre quarterback market.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:30 am
I think either Moore or Werner could be solid picks. Would we then just slide Houston over to a DT, or would that even work?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:28 am
I doubt this however…. Would you care to wager on it?
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Always down to wager, but putting together the logisics of what constitutes a top flight FA might be tricky.
We will be spending major dough though, believe that.
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You are the “logistics guy” i will let you figure that out for us. If it is logical i will agree to wagering a sum of not less that 25 not more than 50 usd.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Star Loutelei was the guy I had initially targeted, back toward midseason.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:31 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:30 am
I think either Moore or Werner could be solid picks. Would we then just slide Houston over to a DT, or would that even work?
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Ideally, yea.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:32 am
I dont think Star makes it past the 2nd pick.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:32 am
I got to run Thec, but we will hammer out the schematics shortly.
So you don’t think we will be players in FA this year Huh? Why not?
The Reggie has to make a splash, and will have the cap space to do so, especially after we send Carson and Seymour packing.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Violent Hands Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Word out of Oakland is Carson Palmer’s rib and lung injuries may be even worse than reported. In part because of the injury, some of the big dogs in Oakland are saying they don’t expect Palmer to return in 2013. That will put the Raiders squarely in the middle of what looks to be a very mediocre quarterback market.
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“IF” Average retires, or does not play, are we on the hook for his cap numbers?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:33 am
A lot of talk about who we should take at #3.
We could win this weekend, and then we are talking about pick #5 or 6, and that would shake that whole thing up.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Phil Jackson coaching the Nets? No way in hell, their best player plays the least important position in his offense!
Now, Phil waiting until next year when the Clippers job opens up after they flame out in the playoffs again…..I know CP also plays PG, but they are loaded in other areas as well….and he would be able to rub Jim Buss’ face in it constantly.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:32 am
I got to run Thec, but we will hammer out the schematics shortly.
So you don’t think we will be players in FA this year Huh? Why not?
The Reggie has to make a splash, and will have the cap space to do so, especially after we send Carson and Seymour packing
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In recent history, when did GB ever make a huge FA splash??? Not in his DNA.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:34 am
We wont have that much cap space, even after Seymour’s contract voids. There is still a cap penalty.
Palmer still is on schedule to make 12 million.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:32 am
I got to run Thec, but we will hammer out the schematics shortly.
So you don’t think we will be players in FA this year Huh? Why not?
The Reggie has to make a splash, and will have the cap space to do so, especially after we send Carson and Seymour packing
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In recent history, when did GB ever make a huge FA splash??? Not in his DNA.
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Charles Woodson..
And they usually dont have to due to solid drafting.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:35 am
653.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:33 am
A lot of talk about who we should take at #3.
We could win this weekend, and then we are talking about pick #5 or 6, and that would shake that whole thing up.
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Shut your mouth with that talk!
December 28th, 2012 at 9:36 am
when did GB ever make a huge FA splash???
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Charles Woodson, which he brought up in his interview a month or so back.
Reggie White was the original FA splash, and he saw how that changed the franchise.
I agree we won’t be the annual FA spenders, and will focus on the draft, but he will make a splash.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Reggie went up to bat last draft with nobody on, 2 outs and a 1-2 count..
He still hit a double..
December 28th, 2012 at 9:39 am
660.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Reggie went up to bat last draft with nobody on, 2 outs and a 1-2 count..
He still hit a double..
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Then he got picked off second when coach Knapp distracted him with a sandwich from the dugout.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Then he got picked off second when coach Knapp distracted him with a sandwich from the dugout.
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ROFLMAO…
December 28th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Palmer signed a four-year deal with the Raiders that goes through 2016, however the final two seasons are voidable.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:41 am
662 – lol!
December 28th, 2012 at 9:41 am
IDK why, but im starting to like the idea of Vick being brought in..
Only if he is cut though.. No trade.
His best years were with… KNAPP.
That actually might be Knapp’s only chance to stay too
December 28th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Violent Hands Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Palmer signed a four-year deal with the Raiders that goes through 2016, however the final two seasons are voidable.
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Its similar to Seymour’s deal.
He will have to re-work $ for this season or be cut.
Also would have to re-do it to be traded..
December 28th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Vick’s threat to run would open up the defense for DMC also..
Pass protection hasnt been that bad for us lately.. So this sounds like it could really work.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Free Agents to watch:
Andy Levitre – G
Erin Henderson -LB
Sam Shields – CB
Henry Melton – DT
December 28th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Vick is way slower than he used to be and he is much too fragile now (getting older).
December 28th, 2012 at 9:45 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Free Agents to watch:
Andy Levitre – G
Erin Henderson -LB
Sam Shields – CB
Henry Melton – DT
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If there was a chance to get Henderson & Shields id be giddy..
But there’s no chance.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:45 am
A lot of the semi’s would jump off the bridge if we signed Vick.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Just a question to throw out — would we possibly bring Jason Campbell back?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Vick signing would cause a full on mutiny on this blog.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Vick signing would cause a full on mutiny on this blog.
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Then im all for it.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:47 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Just a question to throw out — would we possibly bring Jason Campbell back?
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We have the left handed, caucasian version of him already.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:47 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Just a question to throw out — would we possibly bring Jason Campbell back?
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Doubt it, he is a “Me. Davis” guy and besides, he is sub average.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:47 am
If Vick would make the team better, I would swallow it .. but he wouldn’t …
December 28th, 2012 at 9:48 am
LT – Veldheer
LG – Bergstrom
C – Wiz
RG – Brisiel
RT –
Think you can set those 4 in stone, unless Berg lays an egg this week.
Right Tackle is the need.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:48 am
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Friday-Buzz-Carson-Palmer-Russell-Wilson-more.html
how reliable is this site? Never read it before, not good news if true.
I didnt like the first time we traded for JC, wouldnt like it if we picked him up again either. Would be worse if we picked up Vick tho.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:49 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:47 am
If Vick would make the team better, I would swallow it .. but he wouldn’t …
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I have a hard time understanding how you know that LOL..
December 28th, 2012 at 9:49 am
I think we’re gonna end up with “sub average” at that position anyway (at least for the next two years).
December 28th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Vick was told to stay clear of oakland by dungy when he got out of prison.
Wonder if that ban on the raiders has been lifted???
December 28th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Vick was told to stay clear of oakland by dungy when he got out of prison.
Wonder if that ban on the raiders has been lifted???
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That’s because of the Animal Rights presence is so strong in the Bay Area..
That stigma has run its course with Vick IMO..
December 28th, 2012 at 9:51 am
QB – Vick
RB – McFadden
FB – Reece
WR – Moore
WR – Streater
WR – Ford
TE – Myers
That looks enticing..
December 28th, 2012 at 9:52 am
I think most of the dog-related firestorm is behind him now. The question is: Can he still lead a team and be effective? (okay, two questions)
December 28th, 2012 at 9:53 am
DennisAllensVisor, that beig said, you can fire up the Vick to oakland campaign.
Not sure if DA would want to hitch his wagon to that QB however, stranger things have happend.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Mistic is rubbing off on you guys
December 28th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Also allows us to keep Pryor and let him learn more..
And lets us have a backup QB we wouldnt need to change the playbook for..
December 28th, 2012 at 9:53 am
DAV:
When both Vick and DMac go down to injury, what will you have left?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:54 am
DennisAllensVisor <——- Is this the real DAV?
Or a troll????
December 28th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:54 am
DennisAllensVisor <——- Is this the real DAV?
Or a troll????
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Why would it be a troll?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:55 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:53 am
DAV:
When both Vick and DMac go down to injury, what will you have left?
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Pryor & Goodson/Reece
December 28th, 2012 at 9:55 am
as long as it isnt that idiot mcxcuse20….
December 28th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Hey Thec — good point!
December 28th, 2012 at 9:57 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:54 am
DennisAllensVisor <——- Is this the real DAV?
Or a troll????
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Why would it be a troll?
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The Vick talk is opposite of what I have read DAV post?
In any event I was joking. The guys that troll big time, and clone other peoples handle are on vaction, IE the staff at ibabuzz.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Troll was a poor choice of word. Should have used clone.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Yea, I just started to think about the Vick possibility.. I like it, not trolling.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Michael Vick?
A loser QB for a loser coach and a loser team…..at least it is a fit.
FML!
December 28th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Talent x Durability x work ethic x knowledge = productivity
When one of the variables on the left equals 0, productivity equals 0.
The rookie cap offers teams much more protection for greater value. Meaning that the salary paid is more in line with the productivity that you get. Yes, the knowledge part of the equation is low with rookies but if the other three parts are in place you can have a long, productive career.
Free agents are usually free for a reason. Either their salary demands are not consistent with their body of past work or there is a low evaluation of one of the variables on the left side of the above equation by the present employer.
A guy like Gannon was a good pick up because the Chiefs had a surplus that year at QB and made the wrong choice keeping Grbac. Gannon also had not played much so his durability was good even at a relatively advanced age. Those situations are rare!
Romo. Rice and Woodson also worked out well for a VERY SHORT TIME FRAME.
You can only afford to build your core through the draft. You can pick up some niche pieces in the FA market but it needs to be done carefully and sparingly.
I live out in the Philly area.
Please no Vick. He gets a zero for Durability (see Seymour)and grades low on everything else. He is done.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I believe Vick was being used wrong in Philly.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:03 am
There is now little doubt why I advocated pryor for to split reps in practice as early as 4-5 weeks ago.
I cited that having palmer play out the string of meaningless games would be counter productive. I said that palmer would only damage his stock with more turn over and losses, and would only be risking injury. This turned out exactly that way. Now palmer has been exposed once and for all fr a bungle stripped sad sack loser that cant get out of his own way. He is unfit and about as sought after as a one legged hooker with herpes.
Now he can still provide some value to a team in nee of a stop gap or a back up, he is no longer viewed by any one on this planet as a franchise qb.
As for pryor he has somehow forced his way onto the practice filed, but how much time is he actually getting?
Here is what we know based on what the coaches have said.
The myth that the coaches have been watching pryor all season in practice was exposed as bs by knapp. Knapp said like some of us said, that the reps go to the starter and any scraps go to the number 2.
So pryor only got a real look when he scouted for cam newton. He also impressed in his limited role in that game, so much that allen did a complete 180.
Allen in the presser says pryor isnt ready then the next day said the opposite.
Was allen given a mandate by the office?
Something else that i find interesting is the reaction on this board. I see that the palmer worshipers are also pryor haters. I want to remind everyone that 90% of this board wanted pryor to switch positions.
Pryor is now the most polarizing raider. He seems to be in the middle of a disagreement between allen and his bosses, and the fans on this board.
I think its funny that that coaches only have now noticed what some of us saw in preseason. The more he plays and practices the more plays he makes. He impressed as the scout qb last week. He impressed on game day in a limited role. He impressed this week in practice running the first team. He has said all of the right things,and according to him he still is only seeing a couple of reps at a time, and not the 50/50 or eauqual time that was reported here by the tribune. I think that also bodes well for him that in limited game reps and practice reps pryor looks good.
Give the kid the ball he is earning it the right way and he is on of the most explosive raiders. He is like macfadden or ford in that he can score at any moment on any play.
I want him to play well this week, and force the competition next year. I want to see pryor in the pistol and the shotgun with dmac and reece. i want to see pryor with dhb and ford and moore. I want an offense that features this truly mind blowing bunch of speed demons.
Lastly pryor is a leader. He is a grinder and a fierce competitor. He is the kind of guy that his teammates will feed off of if he can make some plays. Unlike palmer or lienart pryor can actually inspire his teammates.
i hope pryor is the guy moving forward, it would be the ultimate raider story. Written off only to rise and redeem the entire raider organization against all odds.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:03 am
What was the pass/run ratio with Andy Reid?..
Something absurd..
December 28th, 2012 at 10:04 am
As far as line play goes we have serious problems.
We will start in earnest in the 2013 draft to BEGIN to address:
BARNES Free agent cast off from Jacksonville. 30 years old. The Denver game is all you should need to see that he can NOT compete at the NFL level. Requires major max protect against good dlines which limits our offensive options.
CARLISLE 35 years old. Probably retiring after this year. Can Bergstrom backfill?
BRISIEL Free agent 29 years old Average performance at best this year
SHAUGNESSY Complete non factor as a pass rusher. Ineffective on rush defense as well. Continues to lose playing time to Carter who is 33.
KELLY Undrafted free agent signed most lucrative deal for a DT in NFL history. Easily neutralized by good Olines. Only applies rush pressure against weak fronts. Has been part of Dlines that are routinely shredded by good running backs at an embarrassingly high statistical level. The Tampa game should tell you how quickly he can disappear.
SEYMOUR 33 years old Body is shot. Cannot practice let alone play. Will not be in NFL next year. Disastrous.
Houston, Wiz II, Veldheer show promise. The rest would not be starting anywhere else in the NFL.
It will take two drafts just to deal with these holes.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Vick can not play. His body is shot.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:06 am
703.Charlie Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:04 am
As far as line play goes we have serious problems.
We will start in earnest in the 2013 draft to BEGIN to address:
BARNES Free agent cast off from Jacksonville. 30 years old. The Denver game is all you should need to see that he can NOT compete at the NFL level. Requires major max protect against good dlines which limits our offensive options.
CARLISLE 35 years old. Probably retiring after this year. Can Bergstrom backfill?
BRISIEL Free agent 29 years old Average performance at best this year
SHAUGNESSY Complete non factor as a pass rusher. Ineffective on rush defense as well. Continues to lose playing time to Carter who is 33.
KELLY Undrafted free agent signed most lucrative deal for a DT in NFL history. Easily neutralized by good Olines. Only applies rush pressure against weak fronts. Has been part of Dlines that are routinely shredded by good running backs at an embarrassingly high statistical level. The Tampa game should tell you how quickly he can disappear.
SEYMOUR 33 years old Body is shot. Cannot practice let alone play. Will not be in NFL next year. Disastrous.
Houston, Wiz II, Veldheer show promise. The rest would not be starting anywhere else in the NFL.
It will take two drafts just to deal with these holes.
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Star or Joeckel in 2013!
December 28th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Jimmy Claussen would be available … and to think: two years ago, he was being talked about as a potential top 7 pick. My, oh my – how far they fall!
December 28th, 2012 at 10:06 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/28/mike-shanahan-no-one-in-nfl-history-has-played-at-rg3s-level/
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And he got voted into the Pro Bowl unlike previous rookie QBs that were injury replacements. A tip of the cap to Mistic for calling this like two or three years ago.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:07 am
701 — Yeah, they used him up!!
December 28th, 2012 at 10:08 am
If we sign Vick, Draft should be:
1 – Luke Joeckel [LT]
3 – B. Jenkins [DE]
4 – T. Matthieu [DB/KR]
5 – T. Gooden [LB]
December 28th, 2012 at 10:10 am
If we’re looking at a tackle, would it be worth the investment to bring in a guy like Jake Long?
December 28th, 2012 at 10:11 am
LT – Joeckel
LG – Bergstrom
C – Wiz
RG – Brisiel
RT – Veldheer
December 28th, 2012 at 10:12 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:10 am
If we’re looking at a tackle, would it be worth the investment to bring in a guy like Jake Long?
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Cant think why a guy like Long would want to come to Oakland.
And he is coming off a pretty serious injury.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:12 am
I really do not trust DA, and Knapp regarding TP however, I wonder what the Players think about Pryor?
December 28th, 2012 at 10:13 am
DA and Knapp have been shown to be flat out Liars.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Vick makes perfect sense for oakland, because of pryor.
Vick cant be counted on for an entire season, but he could be a low rent stop gap while we prime pryor as number two.
Because pryor and vick have some skill in common, the offense that could be installed would not have to change much for wither qb. Unlike the mess we have now where palmer and leinart have one offense and pryor barely had a couple of late season gimmick plays added to practice.
You could bring in a new oc a spread concept, using pistol and shotgun, motions, reverse, zone reads and triple option.
Because reid and knapp are wco pryor and vick can work in a wco hybrid like we see in sf wash and seattle.
If vick comes in and has a a good season its a bonus, if not pryor would be ready.
Vick or pryor on the field with ford dhb moore reece and dmac would make us the fastest scariest offense in the nfl bar none.
Forward this to reggie and davis
December 28th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:13 am
DA and Knapp have been shown to be flat out Liars.
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zZZZzz….
December 28th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Mistic why the hate for Palmer? Seems like Pryor thinks the world of him and has been a great mentor (father/brother).
I have no problem if you have the belief that he isn’t good enoungh to be the Raiders’ QB. But why all the character attacks and venom?
I posted before the story about Solomon Wilcox speaking very high of the character of Palmer during his holdout. Isn’t Solomon Wilcox a man you respect?
Would you think so low of Palmer if he wasn’t white?
I really hope Pryor starts…
December 28th, 2012 at 10:18 am
What teams would we have to outbid for Vick?..
Buffalo.. Jets..
I think we’re more ’sexy’ than those 2 options.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Palmer was done in by the kings ransom the Huebert paid for him.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:19 am
M Vick?!?!
WTF is wrong with You People?
You Monkeys are mad. Mad!
December 28th, 2012 at 10:20 am
You’d have to think we could get a 4th rounder for Palmer.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:20 am
at least Pryor provides some interest for the Charger game…………..oh wait there’s Leinart lurking
December 28th, 2012 at 10:21 am
On that note i am outtro…You guys enjoy the rest of the day.
Vick and Pryor 2013
December 28th, 2012 at 10:21 am
I rather start and develop TP over Vick.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Vick/Pryor ‘13
December 28th, 2012 at 10:23 am
724.Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:21 am
I rather start and develop TP over Vick.
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+1
Fck Vick.
Hope a dog bites his face off.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:25 am
I watched every one of Vick’s games this year. Anyone on here saying Vick sucks or that he was being used the wrong way obviously didn’t see one of them. Vick has successfully made the transition from being a run-first QB to a pocket passer who can still get out on the edge and make plays and easily pick up 1st downs with his feet. Basically, it’d be like turning the clock back to 2000 when we brought Rich Gannon in. If he had been here this season, at the very least we have 4 more wins. The Philly OL play this season was as bad or worse than the Bed and Breakfast year we had here. And if that garbage D had just been able to hold 4th qtr leads that Vick gave them against Pitt and Detroit, they would have gone into the break at 5-1. We should all be praying that he’s in Silver and Black come 2013.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Let’s release Palmer and sign Vick?
- you people are assuming Vick will be cheaper, and that CP will not restructure.
- you are replacing one QB who has a lot of TOs for a QB with more TOs? Great logic!
December 28th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Vick/Pryor
DMC/Goodson
Reece/Olawale
Moore/Criner
Streater
Ford
Myers
December 28th, 2012 at 10:28 am
I have always felt that the Oline is the most important unit on the team.
It was THE BIGGEST for Raider greatness in the past.
I also think that moving the chains with balanced run and pass is the best way to win in this league.
My final argument for the Oline is that with Peyton in our division the best way to defend him (or any other elite QB) is keep him off the field.
BTW Denver is the standard we need to be measured by in our divion-like it or not.
That all being said, our Dline is in bad shape.
Seymour is long gone and Kelly is 32, overpaid and a very poor producer.
I would be ecstatic with a stud LT moving Veld to RT.
I would not be surprised to see Star given our DT issues.
Simply too many line holes and not enough picks available.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Let’s release Palmer and sign Vick?
- you people are assuming Vick will be cheaper, and that CP will not restructure.
- you are replacing one QB who has a lot of TOs for a QB with more TOs? Great logic!
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Yes, totally right that I am assuming he will be cheaper.
Regardless of Palmer restructuring, he is a sitting duck who plays well in garbage time.
Rather have someone with a higher ceiling..
December 28th, 2012 at 10:30 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Mistic why the hate for Palmer? Seems like Pryor thinks the world of him and has been a great mentor (father/brother).
I have no problem if you have the belief that he isn’t good enoungh to be the Raiders’ QB. But why all the character attacks and venom?
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Palmer seems like a nice guy, but he deserves venom for walking out on the Bengals. I, and many others, consider quitting a cardinal sin. Why do you think Tebow is so frantic to change the narrative on his refusal to run the Wildcat for the Jets last week? Nobody wants to be called a quitter, and for good reason. Huge character flaw. Unfortunately for Palmer, that’s his Cincy legacy.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:34 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Mistic why the hate for Palmer? Seems like Pryor thinks the world of him and has been a great mentor (father/brother).
I have no problem if you have the belief that he isn’t good enoungh to be the Raiders’ QB. But why all the character attacks and venom?
I posted before the story about Solomon Wilcox speaking very high of the character of Palmer during his holdout. Isn’t Solomon Wilcox a man you respect?
Would you think so low of Palmer if he wasn’t white?
I really hope Pryor starts…
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dutch with all due respect
SHUT THE FUGG UP!!!!!!!
Once and for all prove that i hate palmer. I dont hate palmer I only told you and everyone else that he sucked and would be a giant drop off from the team that jc led.
I was right palmer has sucked pout loud and been a loser, now his career is teetering on the brink of complete obscurity and utter un-importance. How is my being ahead of the curve and ahead of you on this topic hate? What does it have to do with white skin?
you want to make it a race issue because you have a race issue.
You are upset that your golden haired hero didnt match jc and now he is threatened by pryor.
You are upset because i told you about newton wilson and rgIII and called it the wave of the future.
You are upset because palmer doent fit the mold and pryor may just be the next one to smash the nfl (remains to be seen).
Chew it and swallow dutch, this is what you and the others like you will be eating for the foreseeable future
December 28th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Is this correct?
That Palmer is making $4.7M this year?
Thought this was a good website for info?
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/carson-palmer/
December 28th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Man this team is awful,
Oakland Raiders (4-11) at San Diego Chargers (6-9)
Norv Turner and A.J. Smith will leave Del Boca Vista with a win, a proud wave, and not a lot of love from San Diegans.
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20121227/nfl-week-17-picks/#ixzz2GNBgjEVS
KC is the only reason more bottom dwelling filth doesn’t come out of sports writers fingers and mouths.
We should all thank KC for being even worse than us.
There had better be some major changes in the off-season. Lots of people let go, and coaches fired. They are just terrible.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:37 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Let’s release Palmer and sign Vick?
- you people are assuming Vick will be cheaper, and that CP will not restructure.
- you are replacing one QB who has a lot of TOs for a QB with more TOs? Great logic!
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Yes, totally right that I am assuming he will be cheaper.
Regardless of Palmer restructuring, he is a sitting duck who plays well in garbage time.
Rather have someone with a higher ceiling..
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Palmer 30K yards, 189 TDs, and 86+ QBR.
Vick: 20K yards, 122 YDs, and 80+ QBR.
CP is 6 months older than Vick.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Half the roster was replaced this off-season.
So..
December 28th, 2012 at 10:39 am
DO NOT want Vick here, he can go kill dogs somewhere else.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:37 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Let’s release Palmer and sign Vick?
- you people are assuming Vick will be cheaper, and that CP will not restructure.
- you are replacing one QB who has a lot of TOs for a QB with more TOs? Great logic!
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Yes, totally right that I am assuming he will be cheaper.
Regardless of Palmer restructuring, he is a sitting duck who plays well in garbage time.
Rather have someone with a higher ceiling..
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Palmer 30K yards, 189 TDs, and 86+ QBR.
Vick: 20K yards, 122 YDs, and 80+ QBR.
CP is 6 months older than Vick.
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Post the rushing stats too
December 28th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Visor
A guy like Vick is what has been wrong with the Raiders for the past decade.
Paying money for someone way past their prime that is running on fumes looking for a final paycheck.
Not happening.
I am completely on board with you regarding our cap issues and have posted frequently how limiting they will be into 2014.
Quite honestly, our QB situation is the least of our problems. Fix our lines and Palmer/Pryor get much better by default.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Charlie Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Visor
A guy like Vick is what has been wrong with the Raiders for the past decade.
Paying money for someone way past their prime that is running on fumes looking for a final paycheck.
Not happening.
I am completely on board with you regarding our cap issues and have posted frequently how limiting they will be into 2014.
Quite honestly, our QB situation is the least of our problems. Fix our lines and Palmer/Pryor get much better by default.
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Our lines need to be fixed regardless.
Pryor, yes, but Palmer isnt getting better.
He is what he is.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:42 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:06 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/28/mike-shanahan-no-one-in-nfl-history-has-played-at-rg3s-level/
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And he got voted into the Pro Bowl unlike previous rookie QBs that were injury replacements.
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wow that is a nice read bra.
Montana young and elway, shanahan knows qbs and super bowl hard ware. he is the ultiamte qb authority.
Of course the losers on this board will read but wont comment on it. Guys like jfb that commented before seeing him play calling him a spread athlete playing qb. Aig and dakota macturdburgalar20 and so on.
hint fellas watch the games
December 28th, 2012 at 10:43 am
The Pro Bowl means nothing.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:44 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 am
I like Allen.
Emotion doesn’t work for everyone. I would rather have a guy who is in control of his emotions stay that way than have him act all over the top — or vice versa.
I like what he’s trying to do, which is keep guys calm, cool, collected and get hard workers who love the game.
We need a good dose of that.
DA’s problem was getting Knapp — 3rd, 4th, 50th choice, doesn’t matter — that was a disaster waiting to happen. Why not just keep Al Saunders? Seems apparent the move to ZBS came from on high, which is why I would scracth Norv off the list.
Also, his halftime adjustments, or lack thereof.
Essentially, things that would (hopefully) come with experience.
Honestly, DA will probably have to be a guy like Cable. Looks way better with quality coaches around him (’captain of the coaches’), versus a Bill B., who seemingly plugs in anyone and they succeed (and not necessarily succeed anywhere outside NE).
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posts like this save this place.
DA and Reggie are both incredibly conservative, and that hasn’t been the Raider way. that’s what is pissing most people off.
however, this team has improved overall this season, and the players keep fighting and they’re slightly more disciplined.
i like what i’ve heard from DA, love how he handles the players, and I see a lot of positives despite also seeing many headscratchers.
we’ve already invested in DA’s rookie mistakes, it would be a shame to let some other team cash in.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Vick: 56+ CMP %, 81 INTs, and 85 fumbles.
CP: 62+ CMP %, 130 INTs, and 37 fumbles.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:46 am
tuckrulefool Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Out of the box thinking….
Cut or Trade Palmer…
Then sign Fitzpatrick once hes cut…incentive cap friendly 1 yr deal…with teh promise of a shot at starting in 13….
let him and pryor go at it…best man wins..and u have a good backup option eitehr way shoudl someone falter or get hurt during season….Need two options ready to go in this NFL (see Boller, See Leinert (this yr and last yr with Texans))
Fitzpatrick would/should be a lot cheaper option than Palmer. Plus hes younge and I actually like the moxie of Fitz.
Thoughts?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/28/fitzpatrick-doesnt-have-much-to-say-about-future-with-bills/
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Brilliant post in the Fitzpatrick thread from the Bills bloggers. Look familiar to anyone?
“Yes, its an outrage that Fitzpatrick is starting when they have Tarvaris Jackson! Why are they holding J-Jax back? Why did they trade for him if they aren’t going to play him? It is disrespectful they way they have treated a guy who’s won at every level and DESERVES a shot! Maybe they know he will win if he starts this week and that will make management look bad for waiting so long to unleash him! Why are they holding him back? FREE T-JAX!
Yes, Tebowmaniacs, that was for you. Sounds a little crazy, eh?”
December 28th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:42 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:06 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/28/mike-shanahan-no-one-in-nfl-history-has-played-at-rg3s-level/
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And he got voted into the Pro Bowl unlike previous rookie QBs that were injury replacements.
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wow that is a nice read bra.
Montana young and elway, shanahan knows qbs and super bowl hard ware. he is the ultiamte qb authority.
Of course the losers on this board will read but wont comment on it. Guys like jfb that commented before seeing him play calling him a spread athlete playing qb. Aig and dakota macturdburgalar20 and so on.
hint fellas watch the games
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No kidding. I never have, and never will comment on a player without at least watching him play. I’m convinced that’s what 75-80% of the clowns on this board do. Just listen to some of the idiotic takes on Mike Vick today. What a joke!
December 28th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Vick: 56+ CMP %, 81 INTs, and 85 fumbles.
CP: 62+ CMP %, 130 INTs, and 37 fumbles.
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AHA!
Vick has less turnovers!!!
Less pick 6’s, thats for sure.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:47 am
By the way there are rumors of chip kelly going to philly. No doubt he could use vick in his offense.
Why cant we fire allen that weasel and hire kelly?
December 28th, 2012 at 10:47 am
The pro bowl used to mean something…what DAV said, based on yesterday…is absolutely right! A team with more pro-bowlers than wins? Remember the year Dallas finally went back and won teh Superbowl again…number 1 defense, no pro-bowlers!
December 28th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Vick: 56+ CMP %, 81 INTs, and 85 fumbles.
CP: 62+ CMP %, 130 INTs, and 37 fumbles.
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Please add rushing stats, victories and playoff victories please. Thank you.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:50 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Vick: 56+ CMP %, 81 INTs, and 85 fumbles.
CP: 62+ CMP %, 130 INTs, and 37 fumbles.
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Please add rushing stats, victories and playoff victories please. Thank you.
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Ouch..
December 28th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Zymurge Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:46 am
tuckrulefool Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Out of the box thinking….
Cut or Trade Palmer…
Then sign Fitzpatrick once hes cut…incentive cap friendly 1 yr deal…with teh promise of a shot at starting in 13….
let him and pryor go at it…best man wins..and u have a good backup option eitehr way shoudl someone falter or get hurt during season….Need two options ready to go in this NFL (see Boller, See Leinert (this yr and last yr with Texans))
Fitzpatrick would/should be a lot cheaper option than Palmer. Plus hes younge and I actually like the moxie of Fitz.
Thoughts?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/28/fitzpatrick-doesnt-have-much-to-say-about-future-with-bills/
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Brilliant post in the Fitzpatrick thread from the Bills bloggers. Look familiar to anyone?
“Yes, its an outrage that Fitzpatrick is starting when they have Tarvaris Jackson! Why are they holding J-Jax back? Why did they trade for him if they aren’t going to play him? It is disrespectful they way they have treated a guy who’s won at every level and DESERVES a shot! Maybe they know he will win if he starts this week and that will make management look bad for waiting so long to unleash him! Why are they holding him back? FREE T-JAX!
Yes, Tebowmaniacs, that was for you. Sounds a little crazy, eh?”
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this doesnt compare to the raider situation at all.
However it is funny that fitz stinks so badly that jackson is now a topic.
No buffalo has two qbs that arent good enough jackson and fitz have both been starters in the nfl. Both are veterans.
pryor is young unknown, compared to lienart and palmer both qb washout draft bust
December 28th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Palmer isnt a bust.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:53 am
With the first overall pick in the 2014 NFL draft the Oakland Raiders select?
December 28th, 2012 at 10:53 am
I’m not sure about rushing stats, but I know Vick has more rushing yards in ONE season than CP’s entire career (maybe college too lol).
December 28th, 2012 at 10:53 am
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:53 am
With the first overall pick in the 2014 NFL draft the Oakland Raiders select?
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Jadeveon Clowney
December 28th, 2012 at 10:54 am
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:53 am
With the first overall pick in the 2014 NFL draft the Oakland Raiders select?
Be careful what you wish for…and no, i do not want to see that!
December 28th, 2012 at 10:54 am
If you tell me we wil suck next year, but end up with Clowney in the draft, I will be totally happy.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:53 am
I’m not sure about rushing stats, but I know Vick has more rushing yards in ONE season than CP’s entire career (maybe college too lol).
True but why are we comparing Palmer and Vick?
December 28th, 2012 at 10:55 am
tonedeezy Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:44 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 am
I like Allen.
Emotion doesn’t work for everyone. I would rather have a guy who is in control of his emotions stay that way than have him act all over the top — or vice versa.
[snip]
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posts like this save this place.
DA and Reggie are both incredibly conservative, and that hasn’t been the Raider way. that’s what is pissing most people off.
however, this team has improved overall this season, and the players keep fighting and they’re slightly more disciplined.
i like what i’ve heard from DA, love how he handles the players, and I see a lot of positives despite also seeing many headscratchers.
we’ve already invested in DA’s rookie mistakes, it would be a shame to let some other team cash in.
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Amen! We knew (but most seem to have forgotten) the rookie factor coming in and that you have to pay for the learning curve. There was no better year than 2012 to do that since the roster was hosed from cap repair anyway. Why, or why do people want to knee jerk now and throw away an investment in training a new HC and DC when it will juststart paying off next season?
I guess people are just too conditioned to the Al way of the quick trigger. For me, I hope that I’m not in Al’s mode of not being sure if I’ll be around next year (especially after surviving the Mayan apocolypse!) so I’m happy to try this slow and steady rebuild and see if that works over the next few seasons.
On the other hand, a slow pragmattic, multi-year development plan would take away about 80% of the drama here and make it more boring blog :-p
December 28th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Vick/Pryor ‘13
December 28th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Vick? Lol. Pass. Let’s see what we have in Pryor, please.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:56 am
posts like this save this place.
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Aw shucks
December 28th, 2012 at 10:57 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Palmer isnt a bust.
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he isnt?
Drafted number one by the bugles and left by quitting on the couch with out a playoff win in his entire stay?
Certainly the trade that brought him her was a major bust
8-17 37 turnovers?
Id say this is a bust, you must have a different meaning for the word
December 28th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@Mistic1
Read your post above: “Now palmer has been exposed once and for all fr a bungle stripped sad sack loser that cant get out of his own way. He is unfit and about as sought after as a one legged hooker with herpes.”
Yeah sounds like a impartial observation about the skill set of QB. Sounds like analysis that would come from ESPN.
Find me a post where I didn’t support JC when he was a Raider? Show me a post where I wasn’t excited about Pryor being the future QB of the Raiders, that it would be so exciting for the legacy of Al if he was the last draft pick. I wanted to see Pryor on the field in any capacity, I thought it was great the way that the 9ers used Kappy on some gimmick plays and was hoping we could use Pryor in the same way.
Never said one bad word about Newton or RGIII, actually I was called out on this board for saying RGIII was the real deal and citing to Madden’s glowing evaluation of him.
I did call you out for the term “Wave of the Future” because it was coined describing the Nazi party and has serious racial superiorty overtures.
Seems like you never see how much Pryor likes Carson Palmer, that he thinks of him as a Brother/Father figure. That he is sad that Palmer is not going to be able to travel because he wants him to watch him play.
Don’t worry I don’t expect you to understand, you are so filled with hate, I don’t think you can look at the world rationally. I don’t hate or even dislike you Mistic, I feel sorry for you. Heck, I hope the next Raiders QB is black, so you will be happy again.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:58 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Vick: 56+ CMP %, 81 INTs, and 85 fumbles.
CP: 62+ CMP %, 130 INTs, and 37 fumbles.
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AHA!
Vick has less turnovers!!!
Less pick 6’s, thats for sure.
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-Vick has more Fumbles 85 compare to CP’s 37.
-CP has 30000 passing yards, 189 TDs, and 130 INTs.
-Vick has 20000 passing yards, 122 TDs, and 81 INTs.
So yes, Vick has less TOs Total, but he also has less yards and TDs.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Palmer NFL rank 16 QBR 85.3
Vick NFL Rank 24 QBR 79.2
What is the fascination with Vick?
As I said earlier a guy like Vick is what has been wrong with the Raiders for the past decade.
Paying money for someone way past their prime that is running on fumes looking for a final paycheck.
Not happening.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:57 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Palmer isnt a bust.
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he isnt?
Drafted number one by the bugles and left by quitting on the couch with out a playoff win in his entire stay?
Certainly the trade that brought him her was a major bust
8-17 37 turnovers?
Id say this is a bust, you must have a different meaning for the word
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That trade was a bust for sure.
His numbers dont match a bust for sure tho.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:02 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@Mistic1
Read your post above: “Now palmer has been exposed once and for all fr a bungle stripped sad sack loser that cant get out of his own way. He is unfit and about as sought after as a one legged hooker with herpes.”
Yeah sounds like a impartial observation about the skill set of QB. Sounds like analysis that would come from ESPN.
Find me a post where I didn’t support JC when he was a Raider? Show me a post where I wasn’t excited about Pryor being the future QB of the Raiders, that it would be so exciting for the legacy of Al if he was the last draft pick. I wanted to see Pryor on the field in any capacity, I thought it was great the way that the 9ers used Kappy on some gimmick plays and was hoping we could use Pryor in the same way.
Never said one bad word about Newton or RGIII, actually I was called out on this board for saying RGIII was the real deal and citing to Madden’s glowing evaluation of him.
I did call you out for the term “Wave of the Future” because it was coined describing the Nazi party and has serious racial superiorty overtures.
Seems like you never see how much Pryor likes Carson Palmer, that he thinks of him as a Brother/Father figure. That he is sad that Palmer is not going to be able to travel because he wants him to watch him play.
Don’t worry I don’t expect you to understand, you are so filled with hate, I don’t think you can look at the world rationally. I don’t hate or even dislike you Mistic, I feel sorry for you. Heck, I hope the next Raiders QB is black, so you will be happy again.
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Very rational post. Well done Dutch.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:58 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Vick: 56+ CMP %, 81 INTs, and 85 fumbles.
CP: 62+ CMP %, 130 INTs, and 37 fumbles.
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AHA!
Vick has less turnovers!!!
Less pick 6’s, thats for sure.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
-Vick has more Fumbles 85 compare to CP’s 37.
-CP has 30000 passing yards, 189 TDs, and 130 INTs.
-Vick has 20000 passing yards, 122 TDs, and 81 INTs.
So yes, Vick has less TOs Total, but he also has less yards and TDs.
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Vick also missed what, 2 years, in prison..
December 28th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Vick has 6 years in the league as a starter. 6.
Read that again. 6 years.
1 year lost to injury, 2 years as a backup, 2 years in prison.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:05 am
LOL at Vick coming to the Oakland Choirboys.
Bringing in Tom Brady would be more realistic.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Why are we talking about vick? He is a fumbling machine and well past his prime. Outplayed and replaced by a rookie. Stick a fork in him cause he’s done…
December 28th, 2012 at 11:06 am
if half the roster will be replaced, can we expect a 2 win season now?
December 28th, 2012 at 11:06 am
makes sense reggie replaced half the roster from the previous year….8-8 to 4-12 so next year if trend holds 2-14….
December 28th, 2012 at 11:07 am
775.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:06 am
if half the roster will be replaced, can we expect a 2 win season now?
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New Offensive Coordinator will need at least a year to teach the new guys… All part of DA’s 4 year plan to stay employed.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:07 am
No Mas Diamante Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Why are we talking about vick? He is a fumbling machine and well past his prime. Outplayed and replaced by a rookie. Stick a fork in him cause he’s done…
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Outplayed and replaced?…
You spelled ‘he got hurt’ wrong.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:08 am
No Mas Diamante Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Why are we talking about vick? He is a fumbling machine and well past his prime. Outplayed and replaced by a rookie. Stick a fork in him cause he’s done…
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The whole eagle O line got injured. Vick will do well with a decent O line and a coach that knows how to use him correctly. They have him throwing 50 times a game.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:08 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:05 am
LOL at Vick coming to the Oakland Choirboys.
Bringing in Tom Brady would be more realistic.
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Tebow it is then.
Sign him up..
December 28th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Out of all the rookie qb’s this year in the nfl I would have to say that I am most impressed with Andrew Luck closely followed by Russell Wilson and then RG III. I like RG III a lot but I don’t think He’s going to have a long career. He was very luck he didn’t do more damage to that kneee.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Palmer has done OK for what he has had to work with.
Another reason for my line focus. Build the lines and your skill guys get better.
You want to see busts?:
ROUNDS ONE AND TWO THE LAST 10 YEARS.
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
We have a few on this list that are too early to judge but for the most part, this draft history is why we are a doormat. Couple this reason for a MASSIVE lack of roster talent with huge cap issues and injuries and you have the big reasons for 2012.
Knapp, QB performance all rank up there with Raiderette enthusiasm and length of coliseum grass as why we are 4-11.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:10 am
First Alex Smith, now Mike Vick? This coaching staff has obviously brought us to the brink of madness
December 28th, 2012 at 11:10 am
CP is owed $17 mil next year. If Vick is cut i would rather they try to bring in Vick than another year of INT machine Palmer.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Free Agents:
QB – Mike Vick
LB – Chase Blackburn
DT – Justin Bannan
NT – Ricky Jean-Francois
DE/OLB – Trevor Scott
Draft:
1 – Bjoern Werner [DE]
3 – Kyle Long [RT]
4 – Tyrann Matthieu [DB/KR]
5 – Zaviar Gooden [LB]
December 28th, 2012 at 11:12 am
I think the next team Vick goes to he will get back to this:
Michael Vick Eagles 2010 Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzyO_JQ51yM
December 28th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Both Vick and Palmer have proven many times in both of their careers that they can be very good players. Theyve also shown that they could be very bad players.
What has always been the common denominator? The scheme and offense that theyre in.
Both of these guys can play football. Compare their styles are apples and oranges.
Bottom line, its not gonna matter WHO the QB is here, if we dont have creative playcallers that know how to best take advantage of their skill sets.
People are arguing over QB. We really need to be focused on who will be calling the shots for the offense next season. Thats going to be one of the biggest, if not the singular biggest need this offseason. Figuring out what direction our offense is going next season. D-Moore, DHB, Reece, Ausberry, Jones, all completely wasted this year, and were not given any opportunity to develop into anything better. We were handicapped by Knapp all season, yes, including Carson Palmer.
Raiders need to get it together.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:13 am
NO ALEX SMITH!!!!!
Wouldn’t mind seeing Vick and dare I say it would be Al Davis like move?
December 28th, 2012 at 11:13 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Vick: 56+ CMP %, 81 INTs, and 85 fumbles.
CP: 62+ CMP %, 130 INTs, and 37 fumbles.
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Please add rushing stats, victories and playoff victories please. Thank you.
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I couldn’t find that stat (espn and NFL.com) without adding adding wins/ losses from every season.
Can you please post these stats. I’m Intetested in the results.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:14 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Vick has 6 years in the league as a starter. 6.
Read that again. 6 years.
1 year lost to injury, 2 years as a backup, 2 years in prison.
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Who cares how many years he’s been a starter. Palmer and Vick have played in just about the same number of games, 122 vs 120.
Vick – 213 all purpose yards per game
Palmer – 244
Vick – 1.38 TOs per game
Palmer – 1.48
Vick – 1.3 TDs per game
Palmer – 1.63
Vick – 56.3 Comp %
Palmer – 62.5
Are we really clamoring for .1 less turnovers per game, with less yardage, comp %, and TDs too? Come on, people.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:15 am
788.DutchRaider77 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:13 am
NO ALEX SMITH!!!!!
Wouldn’t mind seeing Vick and dare I say it would be Al Davis like move?
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Yes, but i’d be like a last decade Al Davis like move.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:15 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@Mistic1
Read your post above: “Now palmer has been exposed once and for all fr a bungle stripped sad sack loser that cant get out of his own way. He is unfit and about as sought after as a one legged hooker with herpes.”
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this is called cold hard truth.
Losers quit on their teams, palmer did that.
Sad sacks turn the ball over and drown in losing plamer did that here.
He is unfit, see plamers inactive status.
He isnt highly regarded by most observers fans media and former players all see this. He is unattractive and wont bring much value in return in a trade.
You were one of the idiots that tried to tell me that palmer was an instant upgrade over jc. i will not forget who you really are dutch.
colorful language doesnt equal hate
sorry that your hero flopped and my predictions and commentary hurt your feelings
December 28th, 2012 at 11:15 am
I like your list Dennis visor except for Vick. I would rather make a move for Flynn. Vick is nearing the end and is only a stopgap at best. See what Pryor has to offer and go get flynn.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:17 am
No Mas Diamante Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:15 am
I like your list Dennis visor except for Vick. I would rather make a move for Flynn. Vick is nearing the end and is only a stopgap at best. See what Pryor has to offer and go get flynn.
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Would make even more sense to get Vick, and let Pryor develop for 2 years..
December 28th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Flynn couldnt beat out a rookie QB, please pass.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Yes Vick is getting old and so is CP and based on $17 mil owed next year to CP. If Raiders had a choice:
Vick > Palmer
December 28th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Mistic is here… the IQ vacuum. The chances of intelligent debate = zero.
I will try back later…
December 28th, 2012 at 11:21 am
you guys are insane, first Smith, now Vick. smh
December 28th, 2012 at 11:22 am
im out too much whining from guys that cant just admit they were wrong
December 28th, 2012 at 11:22 am
There is all this talk about Vick getting cut by the Eagles. Hey Palmer is owed $17 mil next. Palmer may get cut to.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Vick coming here will have PETA here every game…pass!
December 28th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Might as well just keep Lienart next year if you don’t care about the QB position
December 28th, 2012 at 11:24 am
At this point Vick and Palmer are definitely not worth their contracts.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:26 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Might as well just keep Lienart next year if you don’t care about the QB position
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Bite your tongue….errr fingers
December 28th, 2012 at 11:26 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Might as well just keep Lienart next year if you don’t care about the QB position
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This ^^ If you want to save money and just have a QB that cant win you games, might as well just start Lienart or Pryor next year.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:27 am
792.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:15 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:58 am
@Mistic1
Read your post above: “Now palmer has been exposed once and for all fr a bungle stripped sad sack loser that cant get out of his own way. He is unfit and about as sought after as a one legged hooker with herpes.”
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this is called cold hard truth.
Losers quit on their teams, palmer did that.
Sad sacks turn the ball over and drown in losing plamer did that here.
He is unfit, see plamers inactive status.
He isnt highly regarded by most observers fans media and former players all see this. He is unattractive and wont bring much value in return in a trade.
You were one of the idiots that tried to tell me that palmer was an instant upgrade over jc. i will not forget who you really are dutch.
colorful language doesnt equal hate
sorry that your hero flopped and my predictions and commentary hurt your feelings
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Please! Stop lumping all the white guy opinions together! Never said that, I thought JC did some things a lot better than Palmer does. I even wished we could blend the two QBs together. I was on board for the trade even though we got screwed, why because I thought Hue Jackson believed and know Palmer inside and out. The Raiders always seem to get screwed on trades, so I am used to it.
Never have I said that Palmer is an elite QB, I have repeatly said that I thought if our team would be succesful it would be on the running game and not on the arm of Palmer.
At the end of last year I wanted to resign JC and have and open competition between Palmer and JC. I support Palmer as the Raiders’ QB, if he leaves the team, I do not care in the least about Palmer.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:30 am
801.hwnrdr Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Vick coming here will have PETA here every game…pass!
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Raiders did win the most PETA friendly stadiums…
“Raiders Score in PETA’s List of the NFL’s Top Five Vegetarian-Friendly Stadiums .”
http://www.peta.org/mediacenter/news-releases/Raiders-Score-in-PETA-s-List-of-the-NFL-s-Top-Five-Vegetarian-Friendly-Stadiums.aspx
December 28th, 2012 at 11:30 am
All this “vick” talk is absolutely Ludacris!…So lets keep going backward with the bad decisions that have continued for decades now???…..What a joke!….For my money,…use a 7th rd pick on Mike Hermann from little RPI college and develop him…6-5 250 4.6 cannon arm….no risk-high reward…create chicken soup,or reheat chicken sh%t…Hmmm????
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:13 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Vick: 56+ CMP %, 81 INTs, and 85 fumbles.
CP: 62+ CMP %, 130 INTs, and 37 fumbles.
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Please add rushing stats, victories and playoff victories please. Thank you.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I couldn’t find that stat (espn and NFL.com) without adding adding wins/ losses from every season.
Can you please post these stats. I’m Intetested in the results.@
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He’s rushed for 5,526 yards in his career and has scored 34 rushing TDs. For his career, he’s averaged 7.2 yds per carry!! The guy has taken TWO teams to the playoffs! Obviously, Palmer hasn’t, even though we gave up a king’s ransom for him to do just that. We’d be very lucky to get Vick here.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Damm i’m trying to think of a sarcastic joke of “Let’s bring in ____ QB” but i can’t think of any QB’s worse than Vick or Smith
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 am
BOKNOWS Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:30 am
All this “vick” talk is absolutely Ludacris!…So lets keep going backward with the bad decisions that have continued for decades now???…..What a joke!….For my money,…use a 7th rd pick on Mike Hermann from little RPI college and develop him…6-5 250 4.6 cannon arm….no risk-high reward…create chicken soup,or reheat chicken sh%t…Hmmm????
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Opposed to keeping Palmer and paying him $17 million next year? LOL
December 28th, 2012 at 11:34 am
create chicken soup,or reheat chicken sh%t…Hmmm????
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Lmao! Good analogy.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:35 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Damm i’m trying to think of a sarcastic joke of “Let’s bring in ____ QB” but i can’t think of any QB’s worse than Vick or Smith
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Tebow!
December 28th, 2012 at 11:35 am
811.RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 am
BOKNOWS Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:30 am
All this “vick” talk is absolutely Ludacris!…So lets keep going backward with the bad decisions that have continued for decades now???…..What a joke!….For my money,…use a 7th rd pick on Mike Hermann from little RPI college and develop him…6-5 250 4.6 cannon arm….no risk-high reward…create chicken soup,or reheat chicken sh%t…Hmmm????
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Opposed to keeping Palmer and paying him $17 million next year? LOL
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Restructur Palmer to take 12 million, take that 5 Million in savings and pay Vick to stay away from Oakland
December 28th, 2012 at 11:36 am
813.poprox13 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:35 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Damm i’m trying to think of a sarcastic joke of “Let’s bring in ____ QB” but i can’t think of any QB’s worse than Vick or Smith
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Tebow!
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No, i don’t want to jinx us.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@RaiderDebo
So what do you think of Andy Reid Playcalling for Vick? I haven’t seen that many Eagle games, but it seems like Reid puts a lot of pressure on Vick?
December 28th, 2012 at 11:38 am
only other QB I could think of thats worse than Smith or Vick was Sanchez but thought Tebow would be a better choice with the sarcastic joke
December 28th, 2012 at 11:38 am
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 am
BOKNOWS Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:30 am
All this “vick” talk is absolutely Ludacris!…So lets keep going backward with the bad decisions that have continued for decades now???…..What a joke!….For my money,…use a 7th rd pick on Mike Hermann from little RPI college and develop him…6-5 250 4.6 cannon arm….no risk-high reward…create chicken soup,or reheat chicken sh%t…Hmmm????
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Opposed to keeping Palmer and paying him $17 million next year? LOL
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I personally think the Best Of Carson Palmer has already happened….I would rather cut bait on palmer and lienart…try Flynn…Pryor maybe as #2…Developmental #3
December 28th, 2012 at 11:39 am
817.poprox13 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:38 am
only other QB I could think of thats worse than Smith or Vick was Sanchez but thought Tebow would be a better choice with the sarcastic joke
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Okay, bring on Mark Sanchez, after all he’d be cheap right? and that all that matters now i guess
December 28th, 2012 at 11:39 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@RaiderDebo
So what do you think of Andy Reid Playcalling for Vick? I haven’t seen that many Eagle games, but it seems like Reid puts a lot of pressure on Vick?
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Yeah all the Eagles O line starters got hurt and they were having Vick throw 50+ a game.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:40 am
820.RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:39 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@RaiderDebo
So what do you think of Andy Reid Playcalling for Vick? I haven’t seen that many Eagle games, but it seems like Reid puts a lot of pressure on Vick?
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Yeah all the Eagles O line starters got hurt and they were having Vick throw 50+ a game.
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Kinda sounds like what happened to Palmer. His O-line starters got Knapp’d and had to throw 50+ times a game.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:42 am
i am so happy most of u guys are not involved with making decisions or the raiders.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:43 am
vick sucks cock.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Mike Vick??
Mike Vicks last 24 starts, 11 wins 36 turnovers
Carson Palmer last 24 starts, 9 wins 36 turnovers
Same crap, just repackaged.
Plus Vick is getting hurt when he is breathed on these days, he can’t hold up half a season anymore.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Yeah all the Eagles O line starters got hurt and they were having Vick throw 50+ a game.
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How did he do?
Palmer put up great numbers under similar circumstances. Wasn’t benched for a mid round rookie either.
Palmer will restructure and be our QB next year.
You guys are on Fantasy Island for real today.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:42 am
i am so happy most of u guys are not involved with making decisions or the raiders.
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That just disrespectful to all the guys on this blog.
Decisions????? Reggie, DA, and Knapp?? Yeah these guys are great decision makers. LOL!!
December 28th, 2012 at 11:47 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Mistic why the hate for Palmer? Seems like Pryor thinks the world of him and has been a great mentor (father/brother).
I have no problem if you have the belief that he isn’t good enoungh to be the Raiders’ QB. But why all the character attacks and venom?
I posted before the story about Solomon Wilcox speaking very high of the character of Palmer during his holdout. Isn’t Solomon Wilcox a man you respect?
Would you think so low of Palmer if he wasn’t white?
I really hope Pryor starts…
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pryor isn’s a freaking nutcase. he’s a normal, sane person.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:47 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Yeah all the Eagles O line starters got hurt and they were having Vick throw 50+ a game.
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How did he do?
Palmer put up great numbers under similar circumstances. Wasn’t benched for a mid round rookie either.
Palmer will restructure and be our QB next year.
You guys are on Fantasy Island for real today.
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Palmer still had a “starting” O line. Big difference. That Foles kid is not that good. They did go 1-5 with him.
There is a good chance Vick stays with the Eagles.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:57 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Palmer isnt a bust.
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he isnt?
Drafted number one by the bugles and left by quitting on the couch with out a playoff win in his entire stay?
Certainly the trade that brought him her was a major bust
8-17 37 turnovers?
Id say this is a bust, you must have a different meaning for the word
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#18 qb of all time u retard.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Cutting/trading Palmer for Vick, Flynn, Fitzpatrick?
Are you guys high?
Let’s see what Pryor can do. If he lights it up, he and CP can go at it for starter next year in camp. Otherwise, expect to see CP penciled in as starter the second the clock hits 0.00 this Sunday.
Palmer put up 4000 yards, 22TD 14INT in a KNAPP offense with slackers like Moore at the very limited DHB at WR with virtually 0 running game and a below average O Line.
That’s like 6000 yards and 40TDs anywhere else.
I’m not saying he’s great but he’s better than the scrap heap you guys are digging up.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:48 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@RaiderDebo
So what do you think of Andy Reid Playcalling for Vick? I haven’t seen that many Eagle games, but it seems like Reid puts a lot of pressure on Vick?
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You could definitely debate some of the playcalling given the state of their injury-riddled OL, especially in the redzone. But with Vick, this was a fast-break offense that was near the top of the league in 2010 and 2011, so I don’t fault Reid that much. They made adjustments; shortening WR routes and more three-step drops. You could see it in the Pitt game. Vick led a go-ahead, 17-play, eight-and-a-half-minute drive in the 4th qtr. Ultimately though, that line was just too bad. McCoy couldn’t run behind it and it got two QBs injured. Not too much Reid could do.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:49 am
823.dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:43 am
vick sucks cock.
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Well how did he do? Was it expensive?
Just kidding….no disrespct intended.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:49 am
There is a good chance Vick stays with the Eagles.
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There is ZERO chance he stays with the Eagles.
Z-E-R-O
He produced more defensive TD’s than victories this year, and is due a ton of money.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:50 am
At least aim high guys, Let’s bring in Matt Ryan or Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, etc….
You guys just sound high with Smith, Vick, Fitzpatrick, Etc…
December 28th, 2012 at 11:50 am
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:10 am
CP is owed $17 mil next year. If Vick is cut i would rather they try to bring in Vick than another year of INT machine Palmer.
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If INTs are your issue then it’s sure a great thing that guys with more ints than Palmer won’t be available. I’d hate the Raiders to get saddled with horrible int machines like Brees, Stafford, Eli, Dalton, Luck … those guys must be horrible based on single stat myopia because they all have more ints than the current “INT machine”
December 28th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:22 am
im out too much whining from guys that cant just admit they were wrong
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nobody wrong here but u. pryor sucks. palmer is really good. u blow cock.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:51 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:49 am
823.dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:43 am
vick sucks cock.
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Well how did he do? Was it expensive?
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Judging from this season, he couldn’t hold on to the balls firmly enough
December 28th, 2012 at 11:52 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Cutting/trading Palmer for Vick, Flynn, Fitzpatrick?
Are you guys high?
Let’s see what Pryor can do. If he lights it up, he and CP can go at it for starter next year in camp. Otherwise, expect to see CP penciled in as starter the second the clock hits 0.00 this Sunday.
Palmer put up 4000 yards, 22TD 14INT in a KNAPP offense with slackers like Moore at the very limited DHB at WR with virtually 0 running game and a below average O Line.
That’s like 6000 yards and 40TDs anywhere else.
I’m not saying he’s great but he’s better than the scrap heap you guys are digging up.
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Therre you go with rational thinking again. Better be careful because the next step is accusations of racism.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:52 am
837.The_Judge37 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:51 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:49 am
823.dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:43 am
vick sucks cock.
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Well how did he do? Was it expensive?
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Judging from this season, he couldn’t hold on to the balls firmly enough
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Goes down way to quickly these days.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:52 am
In that Pitt game, Vick fumbled three times, lost two of them, one at the 2 yard line stalling a great McCoy drive, another inside the 30 yard line setting up a Pitt TD.
They win easily with Nick Foles that day.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:49 am
There is a good chance Vick stays with the Eagles.
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There is ZERO chance he stays with the Eagles.
Z-E-R-O
He produced more defensive TD’s than victories this year, and is due a ton of money.
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If Reid gets fired and according to “Rumors” they hire Chip Kelly then there is a good chance Vick stays. He will have to restructure his contract.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:53 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:49 am
823.dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:43 am
vick sucks cock.
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Well how did he do? Was it expensive?
Just kidding….no disrespct intended.
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lol. i’ve read here that palmer, an american who is free to pursue his business interests and is intelligent to do so, is a bad guy for “quitting” on te bengals, but those same people think we should bring in the dog killer, a sick sociopath who enjoys seeing animals suffer death.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:53 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Cutting/trading Palmer for Vick, Flynn, Fitzpatrick?
Are you guys high?
Let’s see what Pryor can do. If he lights it up, he and CP can go at it for starter next year in camp. Otherwise, expect to see CP penciled in as starter the second the clock hits 0.00 this Sunday.
Palmer put up 4000 yards, 22TD 14INT in a KNAPP offense with slackers like Moore at the very limited DHB at WR with virtually 0 running game and a below average O Line.
That’s like 6000 yards and 40TDs anywhere else.
I’m not saying he’s great but he’s better than the scrap heap you guys are digging up.
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Co-sign.
But, clearly, there is nothing “common” about sense.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 am
here’s a fun fact: doesn’t matter what happens sunday. palmer is our starting qb next season and there is no competition whatsoever. and good thing too. he’s our best player and a good qb. we can’t do any better. pryor will be lucky if he is even a qb by next season.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:56 am
The Eagles “Vick” situation should have played out the same way with the Raiders. Palmer should have been benched weeks ago and they should of let TP take over just like Foles. I would guess TP would have done pretty good and people would be talking about Palmer getting cut now.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:56 am
POST-830,WELL PUT..
December 28th, 2012 at 11:56 am
missdick the black nazi. funny how he doesn’t see his own dumb hypocrisy. calling everyone white supremacists, while he throws out nazi terms like “wave of the future”.
he’s the most pathetic little man on the blog.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:58 am
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:56 am
The Eagles “Vick” situation should have played out the same way with the Raiders. Palmer should have been benched weeks ago and they should of let TP take over just like Foles. I would guess TP would have done pretty good and people would be talking about Palmer getting cut now.
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u mean like foles did so well? why would a team replace the #18 passer of all time with an unknown who can’t pass the ball?
December 28th, 2012 at 11:58 am
The Palmer bashing is too much……
See Matt Cassel starting for New England
See Matt Cassel Starting for Kansas City
Palmer is a BUST?……….The FUC*IN TEAM was a bust. C’mon man… Get off it already.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:47 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Yeah all the Eagles O line starters got hurt and they were having Vick throw 50+ a game.
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How did he do?
Palmer put up great numbers under similar circumstances. Wasn’t benched for a mid round rookie either.
Palmer will restructure and be our QB next year.
You guys are on Fantasy Island for real today.
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Palmer still had a “starting” O line. Big difference. That Foles kid is not that good. They did go 1-5 with him.
There is a good chance Vick stays with the Eagles.
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People railing on our pass protection are living on “Fantasy Island”. That’s one thing you have to give Knapp. By moving the pocket around, Palmer has had all day to throw on numerous occasions. Comparing our OL to Philly’s is madness! THREE starters lost to injury by game 6! And one of those losses was arguably the best LT in the game BEFORE the season! He was replaced by Foles due to the concussion he got against Dallas. No big deal. Just happened here in Oakland on a play where Palmer clearly held the ball too long. Kind of like Foles though. Have a hard time understanding how he could have gone after Locker, Gabbert and Dalton.
December 28th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Old man Palmer cannot even roll out of the pocket, he is one dimensional and has ruined the running game, and does not know how to use his receivers to their strengths, Campbell is far from elite but at least kept defenses on their toes. Leinart cannot throw the ball more than five yards and is a proven failure in the nfl, no need to waste more time on him. While just the preseason, Prior did move the ball in his one shot, let’s see what he has got and lets see if he creates more opportunities for DMac.
December 28th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
And Allen should be demoted to towel boy, and anyone asking for Vick is just crazy.