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Leinart thinks he deserves to start, understands need to play Pryor

By Steve Corkran
Thursday, December 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Matt Leinart is like any other quarterback in that he wants to play and not spend every week preparing for an opportunity that never comes. Yet, he’s also cognizant of the fact that the Raiders need to take a long look at second-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor at some point.
Coach Dennis Allen said he is unsure whether to start Leinart or Pryor in place of injured regular Carson Palmer on Sunday against the San Diego Chargers in the regular-season finale.
“In this situation, I deserve to play, I deserve to start,” Leinart said. “But I’m not sure what’s going to happen. … If they want to start Terrelle and evaluate him and see what he can do, then I’ll support that and I’ll help him this week and help him during the game. But if they make me the starter and stuff, I’m just going to go out there and try to capitalize on that opportunity.”
Leinart last started a game Nov. 27, 2011, when he replaced injured Houston Texans starter Matt Schaub. Leinart suffered a broken collarbone that game and missed the remainder of the season.
Now, Leinart has one game to show enough for the Raiders to bring him back for a second season. Leinart is slated to be an unrestricted free agent after this season.
Problem is, the Raiders also have only one more game to take a long look at Pryor, a player that hasn’t played more than three snaps in any game during his two seasons with the Raiders.
“In Terrelle’s (case), he’s young, he’s had a big-time college career, and just given the unique dynamic of the situation, I don’t think they’re sure what they have in him,” Leinart said. “He hasn’t played in a game — just preseason. I do understand that football part of it and the business part of the game but I can’t control all that stuff.”
Getting a chance to play also would give Leinart an opportunity to put on tape a game for other teams to evaluate next offseason, if the Raiders opt to go another direction.
“I still feel I have a lot to prove at this point of my career,” Leinart said. “No matter what the naysayers say, I do feel like I still can play. I do feel like that, and I’ll play like that until the day I retire. But you’re only given so many opportunities in this league. That’s why this weekend would be awesome.”
Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is faced with the task of preparing game plans for two quarterbacks with distinct skill sets — Leinart the pure pocket passer, Pryor the mobile, athletic quarterback.
Yet, Knapp isn’t fazed, given he once faced a similar situation when he had to do likewise with Michael Vick and Matt Schaub with the Atlanta Falcons.
“What we’re trying to do is o get both guys ready,” Knapp said. “Both guys need reps right now because they really didn’t have any reps going into last week when Carson got hurt. It’s always the starter that’s been getting a lot of reps. So, we want to have both ready. We’ll know after tomorrow’s practice. But we’ve been splitting reps both, and we have to have a little bit of a game plan for both available.”

– It’s likely that rookie Tony Bergstrom will make his NFL starting debut Sunday at right guard in place of injured regular Mike Brisiel (ankle).
Knapp said he is impressed with the progress made by Bergstrom so far. He’s also realistic about tempering expectations for a player making his first start, on the road.
“He’s going to go through some growing pains like any new player would,” Knapp said. “I feel good about him. I like what I’ve seen in practice. I also have seen the rookie mistakes that I know this might show up in a game. But I’m looking forward to get him some reps to see him play live if he has to play.
“He’s prepared. He’s one of the first guys in the building. When asked questions in meetings he’s always on top of his information and the right assignments. I feel like he’s ready to play now. He’s going to go through some growing pains but he’s certainly earned the right to be on the field.”
Bergstrom has played sparingly this season, mostly as an extra blocker on certain plays. He has worked at offensive tackle and guard as a means of making himself more versatile and thereby more valuable as a backup.
He said he is ready to take the next step toward being an every-down player.
“I feel confident in what I’ve been doing,” said Bergstrom, Oakland’s third-round draft pick in April. “I feel good at the position. We’ll see what happens. I feel ready to roll.”

– Allen said he feels as if the season turned in by kicker Sebastian Janikowski was impressive enough for Janikowski to earn a spot on the AFC roster in the Pro Bowl.
“A little bit,” Allen said, when asked if he was surprised Janikowski got beat out by the Browns Phil Dawson. “Obviously, those are tough situations, because Phil Dawson had a strong year also, but we certainly felt like Seabass was very deserving and very worthy of that honor.”
Dawson convetered 28 of 29 field-goal attempts through the first 15 games this season. Janikowski made 31 of 34, with his misses coming from 51, 61 and 64 yards.
Janikowski rarely makes an appearance in the locker room during the media-access period each day, so he was unavailable for comment.

– It’s not difficult to find clues into what the Raiders roster is going to look like in 2013 and beyond. Time and again, Allen takes the time to rave about certain players, no doubt sending a message to others about how they should comport themselves.
On Thursday, Allen sang the praises of rookie linebacker Miles Burris, who has started every game this season.
“In terms of his energy, it’s been there the whole time,” Allen said. “He’s the type of player that we’re looking for as far as a guy, he loves football, he’s willing to work and he’s got a team attitude. Those are the characteristics of the guys that we’re really looking for, and he fits that mold to a tee. You don’t anticipate a fourth-round draft choice out of San Diego starting for you for the whole season. But he earned that right and got himself into that position.”

– So far, we know who the Raiders are playing in 15 of their 16 games in 2013. The Raiders won’t know their final opponent until Sunday’s games are played.
Here’s a look at the 14 common games for the four AFC West teams:
1. Six home-and-away games against divisional foes.
2. Four games against the AFC South — Houston Texans, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans.
3. Four games against the NFC East — Washington Redskins, New York Giants, Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles.
The final two games are based upon where each team in the AFC West finishes. The Raiders are the third-place team out of the AFC West, so they play the third-place team from the AFC North — Pittsburgh Steelers — at home and the third-place team from the AFC East on the road.
As of now, the New York Jets are the third-place team in the AFC East. However, if the Jets beat the Buffalo Bills and the New England Patriots beat the Dolphins on Sunday, the Jets and Dolphins would flop places.
If things play out that way, the Raiders would play the Dolphins on the road for the third straight season.
Here are the games that are different for the AFC West teams:
Raiders — Steelers and Jets/Dolphins
Broncos — Patriots, Ravens
Chiefs — Browns, Bills
Chargers — Bengals, Jets/Dolphins
So, before anyone rails about the difficulty of the Raiders schedule, remember that the only difference in the schedules of the four AFC West teams is the two games based on where they finish in the standings.
Therefore, in theory, the Broncos have the toughest schedule for 2013, with the Chargers next, followed by the Raiders and Chiefs.

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  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    There is now little doubt why I advocated pryor for to split reps in practice as early as 4-5 weeks ago.

    I cited that having palmer play out the string of meaningless games would be counter productive. I said that palmer would only damage his stock with more turn over and losses, and would only be risking injury. This turned out exactly that way. Now palmer has been exposed once and for all fr a bungle stripped sad sack loser that cant get out of his own way. He is unfit and about as sought after as a one legged hooker with herpes.

    Now he can still provide some value to a team in nee of a stop gap or a back up, he is no longer viewed by any one on this planet as a franchise qb.

    As for pryor he has somehow forced his way onto the practice filed, but how much time is he actually getting?

    Here is what we know based on what the coaches have said.

    The myth that the coaches have been watching pryor all season in practice was exposed as bs by knapp. Knapp said like some of us said, that the reps go to the starter and any scraps go to the number 2.

    So pryor only got a real look when he scouted for cam newton. He also impressed in his limited role in that game, so much that allen did a complete 180.

    Allen in the presser says pryor isnt ready then the next day said the opposite.

    Was allen given a mandate by the office?

    Something else that i find interesting is the reaction on this board. I see that the palmer worshipers are also pryor haters. I want to remind everyone that 90% of this board wanted pryor to switch positions.

    Pryor is now the most polarizing raider. He seems to be in the middle of a disagreement between allen and his bosses, and the fans on this board.

    I think its funny that that coaches only have now noticed what some of us saw in preseason. The more he plays and practices the more plays he makes. He impressed as the scout qb last week. He impressed on game day in a limited role. He impressed this week in practice running the first team. He has said all of the right things,and according to him he still is only seeing a couple of reps at a time, and not the 50/50 or eauqual time that was reported here by the tribune. I think that also bodes well for him that in limited game reps and practice reps pryor looks good.

    Give the kid the ball he is earning it the right way and he is on of the most explosive raiders. He is like macfadden or ford in that he can score at any moment on any play.

    I want him to play well this week, and force the competition next year. I want to see pryor in the pistol and the shotgun with dmac and reece. i want to see pryor with dhb and ford and moore. I want an offense that features this truly mind blowing bunch of speed demons.

    Lastly pryor is a leader. He is a grinder and a fierce competitor. He is the kind of guy that his teammates will feed off of if he can make some plays. Unlike palmer or lienart pryor can actually inspire his teammates.

    i hope pryor is the guy moving forward, it would be the ultimate raider story. Written off only to rise and redeem the entire raider organization against all odds.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    What was the pass/run ratio with Andy Reid?..

    Something absurd..

  • Charlie

    As far as line play goes we have serious problems.
    We will start in earnest in the 2013 draft to BEGIN to address:

    BARNES Free agent cast off from Jacksonville. 30 years old. The Denver game is all you should need to see that he can NOT compete at the NFL level. Requires major max protect against good dlines which limits our offensive options.

    CARLISLE 35 years old. Probably retiring after this year. Can Bergstrom backfill?

    BRISIEL Free agent 29 years old Average performance at best this year

    SHAUGNESSY Complete non factor as a pass rusher. Ineffective on rush defense as well. Continues to lose playing time to Carter who is 33.

    KELLY Undrafted free agent signed most lucrative deal for a DT in NFL history. Easily neutralized by good Olines. Only applies rush pressure against weak fronts. Has been part of Dlines that are routinely shredded by good running backs at an embarrassingly high statistical level. The Tampa game should tell you how quickly he can disappear.

    SEYMOUR 33 years old Body is shot. Cannot practice let alone play. Will not be in NFL next year. Disastrous.

    Houston, Wiz II, Veldheer show promise. The rest would not be starting anywhere else in the NFL.
    It will take two drafts just to deal with these holes.

  • Charlie

    Vick can not play. His body is shot.

  • Dakota

    703.Charlie Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:04 am
    As far as line play goes we have serious problems.
    We will start in earnest in the 2013 draft to BEGIN to address:

    BARNES Free agent cast off from Jacksonville. 30 years old. The Denver game is all you should need to see that he can NOT compete at the NFL level. Requires major max protect against good dlines which limits our offensive options.

    CARLISLE 35 years old. Probably retiring after this year. Can Bergstrom backfill?

    BRISIEL Free agent 29 years old Average performance at best this year

    SHAUGNESSY Complete non factor as a pass rusher. Ineffective on rush defense as well. Continues to lose playing time to Carter who is 33.

    KELLY Undrafted free agent signed most lucrative deal for a DT in NFL history. Easily neutralized by good Olines. Only applies rush pressure against weak fronts. Has been part of Dlines that are routinely shredded by good running backs at an embarrassingly high statistical level. The Tampa game should tell you how quickly he can disappear.

    SEYMOUR 33 years old Body is shot. Cannot practice let alone play. Will not be in NFL next year. Disastrous.

    Houston, Wiz II, Veldheer show promise. The rest would not be starting anywhere else in the NFL.
    It will take two drafts just to deal with these holes.

    ++++++++++++++++

    Star or Joeckel in 2013!

  • raidertbone

    Jimmy Claussen would be available … and to think: two years ago, he was being talked about as a potential top 7 pick. My, oh my – how far they fall!

  • RaiderDebo

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/28/mike-shanahan-no-one-in-nfl-history-has-played-at-rg3s-level/

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    And he got voted into the Pro Bowl unlike previous rookie QBs that were injury replacements. A tip of the cap to Mistic for calling this like two or three years ago.

  • raidertbone

    701 — Yeah, they used him up!!

  • DennisAllensVisor

    If we sign Vick, Draft should be:

    1 – Luke Joeckel [LT]
    3 – B. Jenkins [DE]
    4 – T. Matthieu [DB/KR]
    5 – T. Gooden [LB]

  • raidertbone

    If we’re looking at a tackle, would it be worth the investment to bring in a guy like Jake Long?

  • DennisAllensVisor

    LT – Joeckel
    LG – Bergstrom
    C – Wiz
    RG – Brisiel
    RT – Veldheer

  • DennisAllensVisor

    raidertbone Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:10 am
    If we’re looking at a tackle, would it be worth the investment to bring in a guy like Jake Long?

    —-

    Cant think why a guy like Long would want to come to Oakland.

    And he is coming off a pretty serious injury.

  • Thec

    I really do not trust DA, and Knapp regarding TP however, I wonder what the Players think about Pryor?

  • Thec

    DA and Knapp have been shown to be flat out Liars.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Vick makes perfect sense for oakland, because of pryor.

    Vick cant be counted on for an entire season, but he could be a low rent stop gap while we prime pryor as number two.

    Because pryor and vick have some skill in common, the offense that could be installed would not have to change much for wither qb. Unlike the mess we have now where palmer and leinart have one offense and pryor barely had a couple of late season gimmick plays added to practice.

    You could bring in a new oc a spread concept, using pistol and shotgun, motions, reverse, zone reads and triple option.

    Because reid and knapp are wco pryor and vick can work in a wco hybrid like we see in sf wash and seattle.

    If vick comes in and has a a good season its a bonus, if not pryor would be ready.

    Vick or pryor on the field with ford dhb moore reece and dmac would make us the fastest scariest offense in the nfl bar none.

    Forward this to reggie and davis

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Thec Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:13 am
    DA and Knapp have been shown to be flat out Liars.

    —-

    zZZZzz….

  • DutchRaider77

    Mistic why the hate for Palmer? Seems like Pryor thinks the world of him and has been a great mentor (father/brother).

    I have no problem if you have the belief that he isn’t good enoungh to be the Raiders’ QB. But why all the character attacks and venom?

    I posted before the story about Solomon Wilcox speaking very high of the character of Palmer during his holdout. Isn’t Solomon Wilcox a man you respect?

    Would you think so low of Palmer if he wasn’t white?

    I really hope Pryor starts…

  • DennisAllensVisor

    What teams would we have to outbid for Vick?..

    Buffalo.. Jets..

    I think we’re more ‘sexy’ than those 2 options.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Palmer was done in by the kings ransom the Huebert paid for him.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    M Vick?!?!

    WTF is wrong with You People?

    You Monkeys are mad. Mad!

  • DennisAllensVisor

    You’d have to think we could get a 4th rounder for Palmer.

  • romania

    at least Pryor provides some interest for the Charger game…………..oh wait there’s Leinart lurking

  • Thec

    On that note i am outtro…You guys enjoy the rest of the day.

    Vick and Pryor 2013

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    I rather start and develop TP over Vick.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Vick/Pryor ’13

  • LA to TheBay

    724.Raider O Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:21 am
    I rather start and develop TP over Vick.

    —-

    +1

    Fck Vick.

    Hope a dog bites his face off.

  • RaiderDebo

    I watched every one of Vick’s games this year. Anyone on here saying Vick sucks or that he was being used the wrong way obviously didn’t see one of them. Vick has successfully made the transition from being a run-first QB to a pocket passer who can still get out on the edge and make plays and easily pick up 1st downs with his feet. Basically, it’d be like turning the clock back to 2000 when we brought Rich Gannon in. If he had been here this season, at the very least we have 4 more wins. The Philly OL play this season was as bad or worse than the Bed and Breakfast year we had here. And if that garbage D had just been able to hold 4th qtr leads that Vick gave them against Pitt and Detroit, they would have gone into the break at 5-1. We should all be praying that he’s in Silver and Black come 2013.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Let’s release Palmer and sign Vick?

    - you people are assuming Vick will be cheaper, and that CP will not restructure.
    - you are replacing one QB who has a lot of TOs for a QB with more TOs? Great logic!

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Vick/Pryor
    DMC/Goodson
    Reece/Olawale
    Moore/Criner
    Streater
    Ford
    Myers

  • Charlie

    I have always felt that the Oline is the most important unit on the team.
    It was THE BIGGEST for Raider greatness in the past.
    I also think that moving the chains with balanced run and pass is the best way to win in this league.
    My final argument for the Oline is that with Peyton in our division the best way to defend him (or any other elite QB) is keep him off the field.
    BTW Denver is the standard we need to be measured by in our divion-like it or not.

    That all being said, our Dline is in bad shape.
    Seymour is long gone and Kelly is 32, overpaid and a very poor producer.

    I would be ecstatic with a stud LT moving Veld to RT.
    I would not be surprised to see Star given our DT issues.

    Simply too many line holes and not enough picks available.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Raider O Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:26 am
    Let’s release Palmer and sign Vick?

    - you people are assuming Vick will be cheaper, and that CP will not restructure.
    - you are replacing one QB who has a lot of TOs for a QB with more TOs? Great logic!

    —-

    Yes, totally right that I am assuming he will be cheaper.

    Regardless of Palmer restructuring, he is a sitting duck who plays well in garbage time.

    Rather have someone with a higher ceiling..

  • RaiderDebo

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:17 am
    Mistic why the hate for Palmer? Seems like Pryor thinks the world of him and has been a great mentor (father/brother).

    I have no problem if you have the belief that he isn’t good enoungh to be the Raiders’ QB. But why all the character attacks and venom?
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Palmer seems like a nice guy, but he deserves venom for walking out on the Bengals. I, and many others, consider quitting a cardinal sin. Why do you think Tebow is so frantic to change the narrative on his refusal to run the Wildcat for the Jets last week? Nobody wants to be called a quitter, and for good reason. Huge character flaw. Unfortunately for Palmer, that’s his Cincy legacy.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:17 am
    Mistic why the hate for Palmer? Seems like Pryor thinks the world of him and has been a great mentor (father/brother).

    I have no problem if you have the belief that he isn’t good enoungh to be the Raiders’ QB. But why all the character attacks and venom?

    I posted before the story about Solomon Wilcox speaking very high of the character of Palmer during his holdout. Isn’t Solomon Wilcox a man you respect?

    Would you think so low of Palmer if he wasn’t white?

    I really hope Pryor starts…
    ===========

    dutch with all due respect

    SHUT THE FUGG UP!!!!!!!

    Once and for all prove that i hate palmer. I dont hate palmer I only told you and everyone else that he sucked and would be a giant drop off from the team that jc led.

    I was right palmer has sucked pout loud and been a loser, now his career is teetering on the brink of complete obscurity and utter un-importance. How is my being ahead of the curve and ahead of you on this topic hate? What does it have to do with white skin?

    you want to make it a race issue because you have a race issue.

    You are upset that your golden haired hero didnt match jc and now he is threatened by pryor.

    You are upset because i told you about newton wilson and rgIII and called it the wave of the future.

    You are upset because palmer doent fit the mold and pryor may just be the next one to smash the nfl (remains to be seen).

    Chew it and swallow dutch, this is what you and the others like you will be eating for the foreseeable future

  • DutchRaider77

    Is this correct?

    That Palmer is making $4.7M this year?

    Thought this was a good website for info?

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/carson-palmer/

  • Raiderbuck

    Man this team is awful,

    Oakland Raiders (4-11) at San Diego Chargers (6-9)
    Norv Turner and A.J. Smith will leave Del Boca Vista with a win, a proud wave, and not a lot of love from San Diegans.

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20121227/nfl-week-17-picks/#ixzz2GNBgjEVS

    KC is the only reason more bottom dwelling filth doesn’t come out of sports writers fingers and mouths.
    We should all thank KC for being even worse than us.

    There had better be some major changes in the off-season. Lots of people let go, and coaches fired. They are just terrible.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:29 am
    Raider O Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:26 am
    Let’s release Palmer and sign Vick?

    - you people are assuming Vick will be cheaper, and that CP will not restructure.
    - you are replacing one QB who has a lot of TOs for a QB with more TOs? Great logic!

    —-

    Yes, totally right that I am assuming he will be cheaper.

    Regardless of Palmer restructuring, he is a sitting duck who plays well in garbage time.

    Rather have someone with a higher ceiling..
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Palmer 30K yards, 189 TDs, and 86+ QBR.
    Vick: 20K yards, 122 YDs, and 80+ QBR.

    CP is 6 months older than Vick.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Half the roster was replaced this off-season.

    So..

  • Raiderbuck

    DO NOT want Vick here, he can go kill dogs somewhere else.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Raider O Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:37 am
    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:29 am
    Raider O Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:26 am
    Let’s release Palmer and sign Vick?

    - you people are assuming Vick will be cheaper, and that CP will not restructure.
    - you are replacing one QB who has a lot of TOs for a QB with more TOs? Great logic!

    —-

    Yes, totally right that I am assuming he will be cheaper.

    Regardless of Palmer restructuring, he is a sitting duck who plays well in garbage time.

    Rather have someone with a higher ceiling..
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Palmer 30K yards, 189 TDs, and 86+ QBR.
    Vick: 20K yards, 122 YDs, and 80+ QBR.

    CP is 6 months older than Vick.

    —-

    Post the rushing stats too :)

  • Charlie

    Visor

    A guy like Vick is what has been wrong with the Raiders for the past decade.
    Paying money for someone way past their prime that is running on fumes looking for a final paycheck.
    Not happening.

    I am completely on board with you regarding our cap issues and have posted frequently how limiting they will be into 2014.

    Quite honestly, our QB situation is the least of our problems. Fix our lines and Palmer/Pryor get much better by default.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Charlie Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:39 am
    Visor

    A guy like Vick is what has been wrong with the Raiders for the past decade.
    Paying money for someone way past their prime that is running on fumes looking for a final paycheck.
    Not happening.

    I am completely on board with you regarding our cap issues and have posted frequently how limiting they will be into 2014.

    Quite honestly, our QB situation is the least of our problems. Fix our lines and Palmer/Pryor get much better by default.

    —-

    Our lines need to be fixed regardless.

    Pryor, yes, but Palmer isnt getting better.

    He is what he is.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    RaiderDebo Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:06 am
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/28/mike-shanahan-no-one-in-nfl-history-has-played-at-rg3s-level/

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    And he got voted into the Pro Bowl unlike previous rookie QBs that were injury replacements.
    =============

    wow that is a nice read bra.

    Montana young and elway, shanahan knows qbs and super bowl hard ware. he is the ultiamte qb authority.

    Of course the losers on this board will read but wont comment on it. Guys like jfb that commented before seeing him play calling him a spread athlete playing qb. Aig and dakota macturdburgalar20 and so on.

    hint fellas watch the games

  • DennisAllensVisor

    The Pro Bowl means nothing.

  • tonedeezy

    LA to TheBay Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 am
    I like Allen.

    Emotion doesn’t work for everyone. I would rather have a guy who is in control of his emotions stay that way than have him act all over the top — or vice versa.

    I like what he’s trying to do, which is keep guys calm, cool, collected and get hard workers who love the game.

    We need a good dose of that.

    DA’s problem was getting Knapp — 3rd, 4th, 50th choice, doesn’t matter — that was a disaster waiting to happen. Why not just keep Al Saunders? Seems apparent the move to ZBS came from on high, which is why I would scracth Norv off the list.

    Also, his halftime adjustments, or lack thereof.

    Essentially, things that would (hopefully) come with experience.

    Honestly, DA will probably have to be a guy like Cable. Looks way better with quality coaches around him (’captain of the coaches’), versus a Bill B., who seemingly plugs in anyone and they succeed (and not necessarily succeed anywhere outside NE).
    ____________________________________

    posts like this save this place.

    DA and Reggie are both incredibly conservative, and that hasn’t been the Raider way. that’s what is pissing most people off.

    however, this team has improved overall this season, and the players keep fighting and they’re slightly more disciplined.
    i like what i’ve heard from DA, love how he handles the players, and I see a lot of positives despite also seeing many headscratchers.
    we’ve already invested in DA’s rookie mistakes, it would be a shame to let some other team cash in.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Vick: 56+ CMP %, 81 INTs, and 85 fumbles.
    CP: 62+ CMP %, 130 INTs, and 37 fumbles.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    tuckrulefool Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 8:04 am
    Out of the box thinking….

    Cut or Trade Palmer…

    Then sign Fitzpatrick once hes cut…incentive cap friendly 1 yr deal…with teh promise of a shot at starting in 13….

    let him and pryor go at it…best man wins..and u have a good backup option eitehr way shoudl someone falter or get hurt during season….Need two options ready to go in this NFL (see Boller, See Leinert (this yr and last yr with Texans))

    Fitzpatrick would/should be a lot cheaper option than Palmer. Plus hes younge and I actually like the moxie of Fitz.

    Thoughts?

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/28/fitzpatrick-doesnt-have-much-to-say-about-future-with-bills/

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    Brilliant post in the Fitzpatrick thread from the Bills bloggers. Look familiar to anyone? :-)

    “Yes, its an outrage that Fitzpatrick is starting when they have Tarvaris Jackson! Why are they holding J-Jax back? Why did they trade for him if they aren’t going to play him? It is disrespectful they way they have treated a guy who’s won at every level and DESERVES a shot! Maybe they know he will win if he starts this week and that will make management look bad for waiting so long to unleash him! Why are they holding him back? FREE T-JAX!

    Yes, Tebowmaniacs, that was for you. Sounds a little crazy, eh?”

  • RaiderDebo

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:42 am
    RaiderDebo Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:06 am
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/28/mike-shanahan-no-one-in-nfl-history-has-played-at-rg3s-level/

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    And he got voted into the Pro Bowl unlike previous rookie QBs that were injury replacements.
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    wow that is a nice read bra.

    Montana young and elway, shanahan knows qbs and super bowl hard ware. he is the ultiamte qb authority.

    Of course the losers on this board will read but wont comment on it. Guys like jfb that commented before seeing him play calling him a spread athlete playing qb. Aig and dakota macturdburgalar20 and so on.

    hint fellas watch the games

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    No kidding. I never have, and never will comment on a player without at least watching him play. I’m convinced that’s what 75-80% of the clowns on this board do. Just listen to some of the idiotic takes on Mike Vick today. What a joke!

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Raider O Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 10:45 am
    Vick: 56+ CMP %, 81 INTs, and 85 fumbles.
    CP: 62+ CMP %, 130 INTs, and 37 fumbles.

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    AHA!

    Vick has less turnovers!!!

    Less pick 6′s, thats for sure. :)

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    By the way there are rumors of chip kelly going to philly. No doubt he could use vick in his offense.

    Why cant we fire allen that weasel and hire kelly?

  • hwnrdr

    The pro bowl used to mean something…what DAV said, based on yesterday…is absolutely right! A team with more pro-bowlers than wins? Remember the year Dallas finally went back and won teh Superbowl again…number 1 defense, no pro-bowlers!