Seymour, Branch, Brisiel not at practice
By Steve Corkran
Thursday, December 27th, 2012 at 11:54 am in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders are 72 hours or so away from their regular-season finale against the San Diego Chargers. As each day passes, it becomes more and more apparent that defensive tackle Richard Seymour, right guard Mike Brisiel and strong safety Tyvon Branch won’t be able to play, at least at full strength.
All three missed practice today, which makes it likely that Seymour will miss an eighth straight game, Brisiel will be replaced by rookie Tony Bergstrom and Branch might give way to Mike Mitchell rather than risk further injury to his sore ankle.
Branch has played the past two games on the sore ankle, though he wasn’t able to finish the game against the Carolina Panthers last Sunday.
– Quarterback Carson Palmer turned 33 today and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly hit 32.
Palmer won’t play Sunday as a result of the fractured ribs and bruised lung he suffered against the Panthers. He was spotted driving away from the team facility as practice started.
Coach Dennis Allen said Palmer also won’t accompany the team to San Diego because of the danger inherent in flying with a bruised lung.
– Quarterbacks Terrelle Pryor and Matt Leinart are splitting reps at practice in light of Palmer’s absence. It remains uncertain which player will start Sunday.
Allen said Pryor and Leinart split the reps evenly at practice Wednesday, though Pryor made it sound as if Leinart received the majority of the snaps.
“Matt started with the first team for a good bit, and I was getting like the last two or three snaps,” Pryor said. “Not much but more than I was. I’m happy about it. It’s an opportunity and I’m looking forward to it.”
Leinart last started a game Nov. 27, 2011, when he was with the Houston Texans. He suffered a broken collarbone in that game and missed the remainder of the season.
Pryor, of course, has not started a game during his two NFL seasons. He has appeared in three games, with six snaps altogether.
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December 27th, 2012 at 11:55 am
uno
December 27th, 2012 at 11:56 am
dos
December 27th, 2012 at 11:56 am
tres
December 27th, 2012 at 11:56 am
first?
December 27th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Blast!!
December 27th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Does anyone think we’ll be drafting an O-lineman with the first pick?
Don’t we need D Tackles and Ends more?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
6.neilb Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Does anyone think we’ll be drafting an O-lineman with the first pick?
Don’t we need D Tackles and Ends more?
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Need both. Consider we have 3 holes to fill (Giggity) on the O-Line and only about 2 on the D-Line.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
6.neilb Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Does anyone think we’ll be drafting an O-lineman with the first pick?
Don’t we need D Tackles and Ends more?
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What don’t we need?
You pick the best player available when you have needs everywhere. If Joeckel is there at #3 and he is the best player you pick him.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
reggie and DA like our d-linemen. they have said as much. DA has said the run game is a big problem. count on bergstrom taking carlisle’s place, but unfortunately, i think that may be it, since brisiel will be in 2nd year of his contract and barnes was seen as solid, although that COULD be a spot they try to fill.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Haha DA is a liar and what makes it worse is he sucks. Im kinda glad hes going to start leinart though because that guarantees the chance of more 3 and outs and the game getting ugly so we can finally get rid of DA the clown.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
I don’t follow the college game – very hard to keep track of players I don’t see play.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
@Dakota
Think we trade down?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Of course if the master plan is to keep Knapp and his pathetic version of the ZBS, then you simply turn all of your picks over to the defensive side of the ball because there is no reason to ruin any more young talent on Knapp.
Might as well just mail in the 2013 season too.
My best Christmas present will be when the Raiders fire Knapp in about 5 days or so……
December 27th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
We have no pro bowlers because all of our players have regressed under DA… He doesnt have a clue on how to manage talent or a team. Gettem outta here!
December 27th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
reggie and DA like our d-linemen
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You think Kelly,Seymour and Nasty are coming back next year?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Why wait 5 days….
December 27th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
DA SUCKS! REGGIE IS A FRAUD! MARK DAVIS IS AN IDIOT! JESUS HELP US!
December 27th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
12.DutchRaider77 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
@Dakota
Think we trade down?
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I think we will know better after the combine. I don’t think there is some great player in this draft that some team is going to fall in love with enough to jump up and take the #3 pick. We will have to see if anyone “arrives” after the combine.
I am usually in favor of trading down, but this is a weak draft and if there are only 3-5 players that have the potential to be great, then you should stand pat and take one of them instead of getting a couple of mediocre players.
If this draft was deep, then I would hope they would trade down, but from what I read, this is a weak draft.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Raiders top targets will be:
Geno Smith
Star Lotulelei
Jarvis Jones
Damantre Moore
No o-linemen. Reggie saw that in GB – o-line and running game are luxury in today’s NFL.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
My best Christmas present will be when the Raiders fire Knapp in about 5 days or so……
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Interesting thing we can do is go to Raiders.com and put in for a service call to purchase season tickets…when the Raiders rep calls: “Yeah, I was thinking about purchasing a luxury box for the season, but I heard that the Raiders’ organization is going to retain Gregg Knapp.”
December 27th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
This is all so simple and transparent. Those who are just content and satisfied that Al is gone and that we now have the media’s approval that we are doing things “the right way”… are fine with a long rebuild process and very understanding and forgiving of Reggie and DA. Then…when it comes to Palmer, all their pragmatic, sound reasoning and analysis goes out the window. “Palmer blew the season for us” they say w/o giving any slack.
So, Reggie and DA get a break for having a talentless team they inherited, yet Palmer is supposed to overcome that same “talentless” team and be Superman.
Be honest. It comes down to if you like Reggie and DA you’ll load us up with excuses and if you don’t like Palmer you’ll offer no slack at all.
Even the most even handed, sound, pragmatic, “tell it like it is” posters can’t resist themselves, and the personal bias shines through everytime.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Who thinks it’d be wise to sign Sam Shields&DRC in the off season???
December 27th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
19.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Raiders top targets will be:
Geno Smith
Star Lotulelei
Jarvis Jones
Damantre Moore
No o-linemen. Reggie saw that in GB – o-line and running game are luxury in today’s NFL.
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Oh, is that why he selected o-line with his very first pick as a Raider, and why his biggest FA signing was o-line?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Dont listen too much to a draft being “strong” or “weak.”
People are wrong on that as often as they’re wrong on the actual 1st round picks.
Was the draft “strong” with Jamarcus and Brady Quinn?
Was it “weak” in 2009 with Jason Smith, Tyson Jackson, and Aaron Curry in the top 5? Or was it strong that year with Clay Matthews, Percy Harin, Josh Freeman, Hakeem Nicks, and Michael Oher as low-1st round “maybes”?
You never know if a draft is strong or weak.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
does anyone remember when billy joe hobert hit a 45 yard field goal?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
No o-linemen. Reggie saw that in GB – o-line and running game are luxury in today’s NFL.
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It’s only a luxury if the QB is elite like Rodgers
December 27th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
19.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Raiders top targets will be:
Geno Smith
Star Lotulelei
Jarvis Jones
Damantre Moore
No o-linemen. Reggie saw that in GB – o-line and running game are luxury in today’s NFL.
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KC will get Geno Smith at # 1.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
718.Dhidee99 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
All I know is Palmer had 14 int’s 7 fumbles and 22 touchdowns. 21 turnovers is hard to overlook for me.I remember alot of you were saying things like is a franchise Qb how many still believe that? Just food for thought.
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Wow didn’t realize he had 7 fumbles…that’s a crapload…that’s not a fluke, that’s a serious fumble problem right there, also an indicator of a crappy oline too.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
715.DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
713.JR77 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:53 am
This team should trade down for multiple picks if we get a top 3 pick. Get a stud DE in the first and the best OL available in the 2nd. In FA go after Malauga, Bowe, Jennings and a starting corner.
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They do need to trade down if they can. They don’t have a 2nd or a 5th rounder this year.
If McK doesn’t trade down from that top 3 pick, then I’m sure he will trade down from his 3rd rounder to get more picks.
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Question will be, is there a team out there willing to do it, its kind of a weak draft for QB’s, RB’s and WR’s. Teams usually trade up to get a franchise QB like RGIII or stud WR like Julio Jones. There aren’t any of those coming out I don’t think.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Dakota
why would you compare a top-5 franchise-turning pick to a value hole-plugging 3rd rounder?
Come on, you’re better than that.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Dont listen too much to a draft being “strong” or “weak.”
People are wrong on that as often as they’re wrong on the actual 1st round picks.
Was the draft “strong” with Jamarcus and Brady Quinn?
Was it “weak” in 2009 with Jason Smith, Tyson Jackson, and Aaron Curry in the top 5? Or was it strong that year with Clay Matthews, Percy Harin, Josh Freeman, Hakeem Nicks, and Michael Oher as low-1st round “maybes”?
You never know if a draft is strong or weak..
December 27th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
There’s no way we’ll ever know, but I bet if we would’ve gotten RG3 in the draft he wouldn’t have even seen the field this yr.
Everything is about patience and slow process with this org. I can hear DA saying “There’s no doubt RG3 is a great talent but he’s still a rookie and we don’t wanna rush him into anything. This is a process..and a slow one. We need to be patient. I just don’t think RG3 is ready yet”.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Was the draft “strong” with Jamarcus and Brady Quinn?
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Hellz yeah it was strong that year. Don’t even effen remind me about that draft. The best WR and best RB in the game TODAY, and arguably best LT came out that year and the Raiders could have gotten either one. SMH and bout to puke.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
does anyone remember when billy joe hobert hit a 45 yard field goal?
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I’ll bite.When?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Some young guys have played this season, but I would have like to have seen Taiwan Jones, Pryor, and Bergstrom play more (or at all) in the last 4 games of the season.
Even this coaching staff knew the season was over when we were 1-4…..so those players whould have been rotated in just to see what they could do in a game. In today’s NFL, where you can only hit so much in practice, the only way you can get a true feel for these players is to let them go on game day.
Especially with Pryor, the fact that they kept playing the veterans leads me to believe that maybe Reggie hasn’t patted DA on the head and said his job is secure after all.
Hey, I might be reaching, but I have to have something to hope for right?
But really, Bergstrom should have gotten much more time this year, along with Pryor.
Hell, I suspected the season was over the day we hired Knapp, and I knew the season was over when we started 0-2. Now we don’t know what we have with some of these young guys.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
JR
it’s all in retrospect, though. Gallery was supposed to be one of the best LTs too in that “strong” draft.
AP had injury concerns.
Point is you don’t know if a draft is strong or weak until years later. EVERY draft has future studs at every spot.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
33.JR77 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Was the draft “strong” with Jamarcus and Brady Quinn?
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Hellz yeah it was strong that year. Don’t even effen remind me about that draft. The best WR and best RB in the game TODAY, and arguably best LT came out that year and the Raiders could have gotten either one. SMH and bout to puke.
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Oh and forgot to mention the best MLB TODAY came out that year also…Patrick Wills
So that year, the Raiders could have had the best WR, Megatron, or the best RB, AD, best tackle, Joe Thomas, or best MLB, Patrick Willis.
Instead we got stuck with the best BUST of all time. SMH
December 27th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Did Palmer really have 7 fumbles this yr.?
I remember 2 of them.
Are we counting LOST fumbles or just fumbles period?
Seven seems like an exaggeration, but if it was it was.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Wait a minute, forgot to mention the best shut down corner TODAY too came out that year, Darrelle Revis, selected at no. 14.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
We have no pro bowlers because all of our players have regressed under DA… He doesnt have a clue on how to manage talent or a team. Gettem outta here!
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That’s a very glass half filled point of view. Several players got better under DA, but those that can only see negative see it as 100% fail.
Those that have improved:
- Wheeler (was sub average in Indy)
- Criner (having a better year than he ever did in college)
- Myers (best TE season since Christensen)
- Ross, Hanson, Adams (a bunch of nobody DBs looking like NFL keepers)
- Wisniewski (playing solid at a new position)
- Reece (used in ways he never has been and succeeding)
- Palmer (hello 4000 yards passing in 14.5 games)
- Seabass (his best season ever)
- Stewart (UDFA looked like a legit backup in his short playing time)
- Burris (rookie playing better than any projected)
- Barnes (not the false start, turnstile he was last season — still weak but not horribly so)
- Bryant (stepping up big time as a start DT)
And really, who can you say regressed? Let’s see,
- DMac (exposed for not being able to do anything but run through gaping holes)
- Moore (exposed for lacking the brains to play in a more complex NFL system)
- Bartell (was an experiment to see if he could return to form after breaking his neck — didn’t pan out)
- DHB (does seem to be having more trouble getting open than last season)
- McClain (actually played better than last season but still not good enough to stick)
- Seymour (physically broke down, which really started the end of last season)
- Branch? (not sure if you’d say he’s worse or about the same)
- Lechler (starting to show signs of age)
Really, when oyu break it down, there’s more improvement than degradation in individual players. But looking at it like this makes it so much harder to condone the entire staff.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
We have no pro bowlers because all of our players have regressed under DA… He doesnt have a clue on how to manage talent or a team. Gettem outta here!
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we have had three players drafted since 1998 that have been pro bowlers: seabass, lechler, and nhamdi. that’s 3 in 14 years. and u think it’s DA’s fault.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Every time I hear Calvin Johnson/Megatron’s name I feel like puking.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
1990+…on youtube
middle of the clip…
http://youtu.be/lIGkm4r-pCI
December 27th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
If Palmer has fumbled that much it is thanks to the o-line. People actually claim our pass blocking has been okay this season due to the number of sacks we have given up, but in reality, there were countless times where Palmer got rid of the ball a fraction of a second before taking a sack…..much to his credit.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Still trying to recover from that 2007 draft. Haven’t dug out of that hole yet.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
This is all so simple and transparent. Those who are just content and satisfied that Al is gone and that we now have the media’s approval that we are doing things “the right way”… are fine with a long rebuild process and very understanding and forgiving of Reggie and DA. Then…when it comes to Palmer, all their pragmatic, sound reasoning and analysis goes out the window. “Palmer blew the season for us” they say w/o giving any slack.
So, Reggie and DA get a break for having a talentless team they inherited, yet Palmer is supposed to overcome that same “talentless” team and be Superman.
Be honest. It comes down to if you like Reggie and DA you’ll load us up with excuses and if you don’t like Palmer you’ll offer no slack at all.
Even the most even handed, sound, pragmatic, “tell it like it is” posters can’t resist themselves, and the personal bias shines through everytime.
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I actually don’t think it’s that simple. What I think happens on these boards is fans fall into either/or camps–either Davis created a huge hole that will take McKenzie & Allen a while to crawl out of, or Davis left a team that was a solid defense away from contending.
What if both of these premises are wrong?
What if Davis left a mess, but one that was manageable had McKenzie done more tweaking and less overhauling?
Similarly, what if Davis left a bona fide disaster and, by virtue of his inexperience, McKenzie (and Mark Davis) managed to actually make it worse?
I get a kick on here with all the obsession with the QB position when clearly the major disaster of 2012 has been the defense. Palmer wasn’t worth what we paid for him, but he was clearly the best card McKenzie and Allen had to play this year.
As for next year, those of us who watched Pryor up close(and as I posted on this very blog last year) know that he doesn’t have NFL QB skills. He’s the reincarnation of Ronald Curry. Take that to the bank.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
i’ll say it for the millionth time. anyone that thinks palmer sucks doesn’t know football.
anyone who thinks QB, LT, TE, SS, or OLB are talking about replacing our best players.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
If Palmer has fumbled that much it is thanks to the o-line. People actually claim our pass blocking has been okay this season due to the number of sacks we have given up, but in reality, there were countless times where Palmer got rid of the ball a fraction of a second before taking a sack…..much to his credit.
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it’s gotten better lately but he was under IMMEDIATE duress thru the first half of the season, and i saw him make split second decisions that only a vet of his experience and ability can make. too many people that don’t understand the game at all.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
We can’t undue the past guys. We can lament on past Raider draft miscues all day and night.
You think 21 other teams in the league aren’t kicking themselves for letting Aaron Rodgers slip by?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
We can’t undue the past guys. We can lament on past Raider draft miscues all day and night.
You think 21 other teams in the league aren’t kicking themselves for letting Aaron Rodgers slip by?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
We can’t undue the past guys. We can lament on past Raider draft miscues all day and night.
You think 21 other teams in the league aren’t kicking themselves for letting Aaron Rodgers slip by?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
We can’t undue the past guys. We can lament on past Raider draft miscues all day and night.
You think 21 other teams in the league aren’t kicking themselves for letting Aaron Rodgers slip by?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
….against New England? HA!
December 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
In 2007 NFL draft Raiders could have had:
A) Calvin Johnson – Best WR in the game today
B) Adrian Peterson – Best RB in the game today
C) Joe Thomas – Best LT in the game today
D) Patrick Willis – Best MLB in the game today
E) Darrelle Revis – Best CB in the game today
December 27th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
53…funny huh? i was tripping out what?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
50.DJ Johnny Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
We can’t undue the past guys. We can lament on past Raider draft miscues all day and night.
You think 21 other teams in the league aren’t kicking themselves for letting Aaron Rodgers slip by?
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Actually the Raiders should be kicking themselves the most cuz he was the very next pick after the Raiders selected yet another bust, Fabian Washington.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Still regular trolls at their regular hours of business which means 24/7 in here
December 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
There’s no way we’ll ever know, but I bet if we would’ve gotten RG3 in the draft he wouldn’t have even seen the field this yr.
Everything is about patience and slow process with this org. I can hear DA saying “There’s no doubt RG3 is a great talent but he’s still a rookie and we don’t wanna rush him into anything. This is a process..and a slow one. We need to be patient. I just don’t think RG3 is ready yet”.
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You won’t want to believe this, but if the Redskins had a proven veteran like Palmer, they probably would’ve sat RGIII for a year too. Almost all of the best all time QBs followed this pattern of sitting and learning, so it’s the right approach if you have the luxury.
But the Redskins didn’t. Last year they started stuck with Rex Grossman and finished experimenting with Beck. They year before was more Grossman and the end of the line for McNabb who showed he was done with career. Before that they came off several years of Capt Checkdown Campbell who they couldn’t wait to run out of town.
Same thing with Indy and Luck. They had possibly the worst QB play in the league following Manning’s injury, so they too were desparate to insert anyone.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
I can’t remember Hobert kicking that FG.The only thing I can remember is 4 ints against the steelers.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Based on the last 10 drafts, it is clear Al was suffering from some serious dementia. Having hallucinations of JaMarcus as a franchise QB was an all time low.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Jon Condo, Shane Lechler and Sebastian Janikowski working on field-goal attempts
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I wonder if Knapp ever practices touchdowns?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
maybe he was a better kicker than qb…lol
December 27th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Raiders need a DE – one who can stop the run and put the pressure on QB from all over the line , there’s nobody better than Damontre Moore at doing that , remember Texas A&M was the only team to beat Alabama , D Moore was one reason why, his teammate Sean porter OLB wouldn’t be a bad pik either
December 27th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
If Palmer has fumbled that much it is thanks to the o-line. People actually claim our pass blocking has been okay this season due to the number of sacks we have given up, but in reality, there were countless times where Palmer got rid of the ball a fraction of a second before taking a sack…..much to his credit.
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it’s gotten better lately but he was under IMMEDIATE duress thru the first half of the season, and i saw him make split second decisions that only a vet of his experience and ability can make. too many people that don’t understand the game at all.
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“too many people that don’t understand the game at all.” — that’s the best explanation for 80% of the drivel that this blog generates!
December 27th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
16.neilb Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Why wait 5 days….
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I don’t even know what day of the week it is right now. How about 77.5 hours from right now? Or should they wait until the plane gets back to Oakland?
Personally, I think Mark should have the stewardesses hand out pink slips to the coaching staff as the team boards the plane home, but I am just emotional about it right now. “Here is your complementary bag of nutz, and here are your termination papers….we will send you a bill for the flight home, or you can remove yourself from the plane at this time, and make your own travel arrangements….have a nice flight, or not, the choice is yours!”
December 27th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
61.Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Jon Condo, Shane Lechler and Sebastian Janikowski working on field-goal attempts
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I wonder if Knapp ever practices touchdowns?
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LOL
December 27th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Al and Hue 8-8. 1 play away from playoffs.DA and bottom lip 4-11 and the most pathetic thing in the league. Easy stuff. Anyone who says different is an excuse maker,blind,and dumber than a sack of hammers!
December 27th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
NOBODY in their right mind looked at our roster last year that finished 1-4 and said:
“yeah, we have the roster, draft picks, and free agency money to improve next year.”
Not a single solid NFL mind.
This year was very predictable.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Hue was 2-8 outside of the Manning-less AFC West last year.
2-8.
2-8.
2-8.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
#62…..got tears in my eyes laughing at that!
December 27th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Raiders need a DE – one who can stop the run and put the pressure on QB from all over the line , there’s nobody better than Damontre Moore at doing that , remember Texas A&M was the only team to beat Alabama , D Moore was one reason why, his teammate Sean porter OLB wouldn’t be a bad pik either
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Almost every effective pass rusher out there is the benficiary of a great overall line that creates pressure from everywhere. The “great” pass rushers than face a whole lot less double teams and chipping.
Take a look at the whiners and their so-called great DE Aldon Smith. No Justin Smith soaking up attention and suddenly Aldon puts up a goose egg.
Football, more than most sports, is a game of synergy. One or two weak links make an awful lot of the rest look bad. With a lack of overal weak links and a decent system, a unit can look great — just like the depthless whiners defense WHEN everyone is healthy.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
DJJohnny, you got the hiccups?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
57.mcfadden20. Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Still regular trolls at their regular hours of business which means 24/7 in here
Dont remember any trolls predicting playoffs like you did.Not very bright are ya?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
69.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Hue was 2-8 outside of the Manning-less AFC West last year.
2-8.
2-8.
2-8.
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DA is 2-8 outside the Chief-less AFC West, guess there wasn’t much regression at all.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Dakota
if our staff was fired this year
who better would want to come here next year?
Logically. Come to Oakland and coach on a 4-year contract that might mean 1 season BEFORE you have a chance to use a 1st and 2nd round pick and normal FA period.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
We have no pro bowlers because all of our players have regressed under DA… He doesnt have a clue on how to manage talent or a team. Gettem outta here!
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That’s a very glass half filled point of view. Several players got better under DA, but those that can only see negative see it as 100% fail.
Those that have improved:
- Wheeler (was sub average in Indy)
- Criner (having a better year than he ever did in college)
- Myers (best TE season since Christensen)
- Ross, Hanson, Adams (a bunch of nobody DBs looking like NFL keepers)
- Wisniewski (playing solid at a new position)
- Reece (used in ways he never has been and succeeding)
- Palmer (hello 4000 yards passing in 14.5 games)
- Seabass (his best season ever)
- Stewart (UDFA looked like a legit backup in his short playing time)
- Burris (rookie playing better than any projected)
- Barnes (not the false start, turnstile he was last season — still weak but not horribly so)
- Bryant (stepping up big time as a start DT)
And really, who can you say regressed? Let’s see,
- DMac (exposed for not being able to do anything but run through gaping holes)
- Moore (exposed for lacking the brains to play in a more complex NFL system)
- Bartell (was an experiment to see if he could return to form after breaking his neck — didn’t pan out)
- DHB (does seem to be having more trouble getting open than last season)
- McClain (actually played better than last season but still not good enough to stick)
- Seymour (physically broke down, which really started the end of last season)
- Branch? (not sure if you’d say he’s worse or about the same)
- Lechler (starting to show signs of age)
Really, when oyu break it down, there’s more improvement than degradation in individual players. But looking at it like this makes it so much harder to condone the entire staff.
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You forgot the ALL important Defensive Ends!
REGRESSED:
DE- Shaughnessy
DE- Houston
If this staff was competent, they would have moved Shaughnessy to LDE and Houston to DT.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
69.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Hue was 2-8 outside of the Manning-less AFC West last year.
2-8.
2-8.
2-8.
final record 8-8 8-8 8-8. this year 4-11 4-11 4-11.Wake up son.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
721.JR77 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
715.DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
713.JR77 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:53 am
This team should trade down for multiple picks if we get a top 3 pick. Get a stud DE in the first and the best OL available in the 2nd. In FA go after Malauga, Bowe, Jennings and a starting corner.
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They do need to trade down if they can. They don’t have a 2nd or a 5th rounder this year.
If McK doesn’t trade down from that top 3 pick, then I’m sure he will trade down from his 3rd rounder to get more picks.
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Question will be, is there a team out there willing to do it, its kind of a weak draft for QB’s, RB’s and WR’s. Teams usually trade up to get a franchise QB like RGIII or stud WR like Julio Jones. There aren’t any of those coming out I don’t think.
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Not really. No player worth trading up for, unless a team falls in love with Geno Smith or one of the top defenders.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
19.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Raiders top targets will be:
Geno Smith
Star Lotulelei
Jarvis Jones
Damantre Moore
No o-linemen. Reggie saw that in GB – o-line and running game are luxury in today’s NFL.
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Oh, is that why he selected o-line with his very first pick as a Raider, and why his biggest FA signing was o-line?
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Not to mention GB picked a OT with their first round pick in both 11′ and 10′.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
NOBODY in their right mind looked at our roster last year that finished 1-4 and said:
“yeah, we have the roster, draft picks, and free agency money to improve next year.”
Not a single solid NFL mind.
This year was very predictable.
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That is clearly the calculus that McKenzie made. But you wonder if the carte blanch he was given to blow things up prevented him from a more patient review of the existing offense. The status quo, with minor tweaks, may have fielded a more competitive offense.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Time to go.
Have a great Thursday everyone.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Judge
can you keep going through that sarcasm? See that we were bad last year, and bad this year, and our roster needs a major overhaul of 8 straight terrible drafts?
Who cares if you’re 5-11 or 8-8 if you’re bad and getting blown out by every good team you play in both scenarios?
We’re trying to become great and we’re 3 years away anyway you slice it because Andrew Luck or RGIII and the Shanahans aren’t coming here.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
See ya Neil. Thanks for your solid posts.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
69.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Hue was 2-8 outside of the Manning-less AFC West last year.
2-8.
2-8.
2-8.
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DA is 2-8 outside the Chief-less AFC West, guess there wasn’t much regression at all.
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In fact, it was a net overall improvement. They were 2-8 outside the AFC West while continuing to screw up th future cap. This year they had the same “success” while making moves to actually fix the cap, which meant having less talent than last year.
Believe it or not folks, that’s progress. They type of progress that this team NEEDED to deal with at some point, so might as well be in the same year that they are also breaking in rookies at GM, HC and DC.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Ohio
could we afford the status quo? Re-sign Bush? Keep Routt? Keep 3-sack Wimbley for $10 million? Keep DMac healthy all season?
Was the status-quo with tweaks really possible? And wouldn’t that just hinder us long-term financially?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Reggie is a loser.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
75.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Dakota
if our staff was fired this year
who better would want to come here next year?
Logically. Come to Oakland and coach on a 4-year contract that might mean 1 season BEFORE you have a chance to use a 1st and 2nd round pick and normal FA period.
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I sympathize with that argument. I made that very same argument early in the season…..and if this coaching staff had shown a marginal improvement in offense, defense, special teams, halftime adjustments or preparedness over the season, then I would be arguing for them to stay.
But you cannot watch the 2012 Raiders and claim that this is a well coached team. A retread coaching staff of mediocre guys, like a Dom Capers, with a Norv Turner and Ron Rivera as coordinators would run circles around our coaching staff if they were given identical rosters.
You can’t tell me Capers and Norv are out of Reggie’s reach.
The staff we currently have in place simply have no answers.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
NOBODY in their right mind looked at our roster last year that finished 1-4 and said:
“yeah, we have the roster, draft picks, and free agency money to improve next year.”
Not a single solid NFL mind.
This year was very predictable.
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Then Reggie should have called it like it is, a rebuilding year, not lying that this team would compete, giving fans false hope. And if he wasn’t lying, if he actually believed this team could compete it is even WORSE.
If he knew what he was in for, no way should he have brought back any check cashers this year like Seymour, Kelly, McClain. Should have traded or cut them all. No way should he have paid Branch that kind of money, no effin way.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Who is making excuses and trying to defend this crappy coaching staff who changed the whole offense around when it ddin’t need to be changed??
December 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
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In fact, it was a net overall improvement. They were 2-8 outside the AFC West while continuing to screw up th future cap. This year they had the same “success” while making moves to actually fix the cap, which meant having less talent than last year.
Believe it or not folks, that’s progress. They type of progress that this team NEEDED to deal with at some point, so might as well be in the same year that they are also breaking in rookies at GM, HC and DC.
4-11 is not progress.Stop the excuses.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Ohio
could we afford the status quo? Re-sign Bush? Keep Routt? Keep 3-sack Wimbley for $10 million? Keep DMac healthy all season?
Was the status-quo with tweaks really possible? And wouldn’t that just hinder us long-term financially?
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That’s not what I was saying. I was saying maybe you don’t rush to scrap the power blocking scheme and don’t force Palmer into a West Coast style offense. I was strictly referring to the offensive scheme, not the defense and not overpaid stiffs like Routt.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
JR
no Public Relations in the world would speak the truth about how bad a team is BEFORE the start of the season.
What would be the point of purposely losing millions of $ in revenue just to appease some fans who couldn’t see the obvious?
December 27th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
89.DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Who is making excuses and trying to defend this crappy coaching staff who changed the whole offense around when it ddin’t need to be changed??
=================================================== Its a pleasure reading a post from an actual football guy,not excuse makers. Thanks.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Really, when oyu break it down, there’s more improvement than degradation in individual players. But looking at it like this makes it so much harder to condone the entire staff.
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You forgot the ALL important Defensive Ends!
REGRESSED:
DE- Shaughnessy
DE- Houston
If this staff was competent, they would have moved Shaughnessy to LDE and Houston to DT.
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I don’t think that Houston has degraded. He started off slow this season but has gotten better as the season wore on. As I said above, the game is all about synergy. Seymour, in his broken down state was actually the weak link on the DL and that made the DEs look worse. Now that they’ve adjusted around replacing him with Bryant playing better than Seymour did and Kelly picking up his game with a decent interior partner, the DEs are looking decent again.
Looking at the stats, he has 3 more tackles than he did last season, and has 3 sacks as opposed to 1 last year. How is that degrading? If anything, his biggest step back was from his 5 sack rookie season in 2010 to his year under Hue in 2011. But that also coincided with the breakdown of Seymour, which I still believe is THE biggest reason for his dropoff, especially in the pass rush area.
Personally, I don’t see Houston as a 4-3 DT. He might have the size for it, but he seems agile enough to play the end spot and be stouter against the run than someone like Carter would be. Where the Raiders need help more than anywhere else is in finding another 2010 version of Seymour that can collapse the line from the middle and open everything up for the rest of the line. I’d make that priority #1 for the offseason, either via draft, trade or free agency.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Of course Norv was out of Reggie’s reach last year. He had a job. Same with Ron Rivera.
You’re blaming Reggie for not hiring veteran coordinators who weren’t available.
Remember, PLENTY of coordinators laughed at us last season (Pagano).
December 27th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Changing the offensive system was the first sighn of a jackass coach and a GM without a clue.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Ausberry and Meyers on the field at the same time. What a match up nightmare for a defensive coordinator.
Of course Knapp would never think of it.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
And really, who can you say regressed? Let’s see,
- DMac (exposed for not being able to do anything but run through gaping holes)
- Moore (exposed for lacking the brains to play in a more complex NFL system)
- Bartell (was an experiment to see if he could return to form after breaking his neck — didn’t pan out)
- DHB (does seem to be having more trouble getting open than last season)
- McClain (actually played better than last season but still not good enough to stick)
- Seymour (physically broke down, which really started the end of last season)
- Branch? (not sure if you’d say he’s worse or about the same)
- Lechler (starting to show signs of age)
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- Wiz regressed big time with the move to center.
- Veldheer regressed some
- Briesel suddenly looks lost.. why in the hell did we bring HIM in?
So lets just put it this way… every single NFL player of any significance regressed on offense with the exception of CP, Reese, and Myers (and Myers STILL cannot run block to save his life.)
Turning the keys over on offense to a abject idiot had its price.
This can be fixed quickly though. Fire Knapp and the o-line coach and bring in hot hungry SB-quality replacements.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
92.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
JR
no Public Relations in the world would speak the truth about how bad a team is BEFORE the start of the season.
What would be the point of purposely losing millions of $ in revenue just to appease some fans who couldn’t see the obvious?
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He should have said the 2011 team as composed could not compete in 2012. And that’s why Seymour, Kelly, McClain, Huff, Branch, and all others he actually did get rid of needed to go. That would have brought a sense of direction, it would have given me confidence that he sees the weaknesses and check cashers on this team that need to go. Now his actions have half the fan base calling for his head.
December 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Kell? Are you losing it? You came on and jus posted to same guy, over and over?
It’s like you’re going loopy, dude.
You posted to Alex like 5 times in a row, minutes apart. Even reposted exact same comment 5 min apart.
Alex?? Can you just tell Kell to buzz off, so he’ll stop begging for a reply?
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KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Judge
You are aware that quality coordinators wouldn’t come here with Al right?
Chuck Pagano literally laughed at our open DC spot last year.
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Well looky here, Cross postimg Alex coward posting under his own name…….wow.
Whatup Bootlicker?
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KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Judge
I’ll spell it out:
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Not posting as me today btch? Maybe later? Lol.
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KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Yes Judge
you are lost if you don’t realize it’s taken more than a year for quality veteran coaches to put Oakland as a possible work place.
Also, remember these guys were hired 10 months ago.
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Not posting as me today btch? Maybe later?
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KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Dutch
I have Bills OC Curtis Modkins and Norv Turner as the top of possible OCs available.
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Well now, people are responding to your posts. does that mean you don’t need my name to get attention anymore, btch?
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KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@alex7
Are the Bills coaching staff supposed to get the boot?
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Yeah do tell, cross posting btch
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December 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Free Agent Wish List (in order):
1. FS Dashon Goldson
2. MLB Rey Maualuga
3. DE Osi Umenyiora
Goldson reminds me of Jack Tatum! Might cost us some personal fouls every game, but I guarantee receivers will think twice before going over the middle.
Muauluga is a BOAR hunter.
Umenyiora- Could come cheap as he is no longer a starter for the Giants due to youger studs JPP and TUCK. But he still has it
December 27th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
We had a -74 point differential last year.
We were BLOWN OUT by the top teams (GB, NE)
It takes MINOR statistical understanding to know that means you’re GOING TO REGRESS next year especially without 1st and 2nd round picks and losing FA to cap cuts.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
hwnrdr Says:
Carson Palmer and Tommy Kelly’s birthdays today!
33 and 32
December 27th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
“Not posting as me today btch? Maybe later?”
You posted that twice in a row, Kell?
It’s like you are beggin for him to post to you, or as you.
Are you losing it, man?
December 27th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
JR
I think you and I both know what kind of PR damage Reggie being brutally honest last summer would cause (and cost) with these emotional irrational Raider fans.
Especially being only a few months after Al’s passing.
Just let the guy do his thing (draft picks and Free Agency with $) and evaluate him in 2 years.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
That’s not what I was saying. I was saying maybe you don’t rush to scrap the power blocking scheme and don’t force Palmer into a West Coast style offense. I was strictly referring to the offensive scheme, not the defense and not overpaid stiffs like Routt.
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How has changing the system hurt Palmer? Claim all the garbage time you want, but 4000 yards and 23 TDs in 14.5 games is what anyone not in this blog would see as a pretty stellar year for a QB. And that’s without those not following the Raiders knowing that he threw to league leading group of receivers in dropped passes (if that stat is still valid)
December 27th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Intrepid Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
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Get your own damn handle. Hah! Giving Kell a hard time’s ok, though.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
It takes MINOR statistical understanding to know that means you’re GOING TO REGRESS next year especially without 1st and 2nd round picks and losing FA to cap cuts.
It takes minor understanding that this was the 9th ranked O in the league last year.Changed the system,look at us now.Feild goals are the only thing produced.Same players mind you,different coaches.Easy stuff.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
so which qb’s come back next year? Looks like Leinart played himself out of a job, fosho. Pryor now gets shot to see if he’s worth bringin back.
We look to be in tgrouble next year at qb.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
Hi Cork – how was Christmas ? Hey RAIDERNATION !
Let’s turn our back to our ugly past and look at our good future.
Forget about those who don’t want to play like Seymour and get on with our Homework. Many of the Sport media and blogs are really saying the truth. Oakland must take Sure Step not to
make the same mistake Twice. OCCORDING-to coach – Flores the Raiders in offseason must Anchor the Offensive – line and Protect the Qb from Fumbling and also injuries. Then get a Group off
December 27th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Palmer will be back next year.Like for Pryor to come back and continue to develop.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
So, Seymour was finally placed on IR
December 27th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
I don’t think that Houston has degraded. He started off slow this season but has gotten better as the season wore on. As I said above, the game is all about synergy. Seymour, in his broken down state was actually the weak link on the DL and that made the DEs look worse. Now that they’ve adjusted around replacing him with Bryant playing better than Seymour did and Kelly picking up his game with a decent interior partner, the DEs are looking decent again.
Looking at the stats, he has 3 more tackles than he did last season, and has 3 sacks as opposed to 1 last year. How is that degrading? If anything, his biggest step back was from his 5 sack rookie season in 2010 to his year under Hue in 2011. But that also coincided with the breakdown of Seymour, which I still believe is THE biggest reason for his dropoff, especially in the pass rush area.
Personally, I don’t see Houston as a 4-3 DT. He might have the size for it, but he seems agile enough to play the end spot and be stouter against the run than someone like Carter would be. Where the Raiders need help more than anywhere else is in finding another 2010 version of Seymour that can collapse the line from the middle and open everything up for the rest of the line. I’d make that priority #1 for the offseason, either via draft, trade or free agency.
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I see you point with Houston. I guess I was expecting more out of my starting defensive end. He looked good his rookie year but then had his sophomore slump. This year, he’s been solid. I love his hustle and passion though. He reminds me of John Randle from the Vikings back in the day. Put him in the middle next to a stud DT and we’d have a great tandem. Star Lotuelei?
December 27th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
The game, talking about Alex Smith coming to the Raiders.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
And titty boy continues lying like a little bìtch…
December 27th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
Hi Cork – how was Christmas ? Hey RAIDERNATION !
Let’s turn our back to our ugly past and look at our good future.
Forget about those who don’t want to play like Seymour and get on with our Homework. Many of the Sport media and blogs are really saying the truth. Oakland must take Sure Step not to
make the same mistake Twice. OCCORDING-to coach – Flores the Raiders in offseason must Anchor the Offensive – line and Protect the Qb from Fumbling and also injuries. Then get a Group off Linebackers who really commit themselves to Stop
The Run and plug THOSE holes
December 27th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Alex Smith sucks! Always has.Back up at best.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
?Seymour is done. But someone will still pick him up, pay big bucks, and hope he has one mor hurrah.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Hey Zyclops, or whatever your handle is, do I have to write slower for you? I’m suggesting that MAYBE the offense may have been more productive (i.e. scoring, get it?) without the change of scheme. I say this speculatively, in hindsight only. Why are you focused on Palmer’s individual production? WTF difference did it make?
December 27th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Alex smith has better stats than anyone on the Raiders.
Just saying
December 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Compare career stats.Smith couldnt lace Palmers cleats.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Raider8 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Alex smith has better stats than anyone on the Raiders.
Just saying
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Alex Smith also has a competent Offensive Coordinator and a very good Offensive Line. Not to mention a beast in Frank Gore.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
101… golstons good. But hes no jack tatum ..
December 27th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Alex Smith = Trent Dildoe Dillfer.No thanks
December 27th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
I don’t think I’ve ever hated a coaching staff more
December 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
125.Marks hair Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
I don’t think I’ve ever hated a coaching staff more
====================================================== I certainly have not.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Trade cp3 to the cards or jets.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
- Wiz regressed big time with the move to center.
– Veldheer regressed some
– Briesel suddenly looks lost.. why in the hell did we bring HIM in?
So lets just put it this way… every single NFL player of any significance regressed on offense with the exception of CP, Reese, and Myers (and Myers STILL cannot run block to save his life.)
Turning the keys over on offense to a abject idiot had its price.
This can be fixed quickly though. Fire Knapp and the o-line coach and bring in hot hungry SB-quality replacements.
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Did the line overall really regress or did DMac? Again, stats tell at least part of the story.
DMac had 197 rushes this season with an amazing 3.3 average.
The combination of Goodson, Reece and Stewart — wait for it:
118 carries for over 4.9 yards average.
That’s a big enough sample of both DMac and non-DMac to draw some real conclusions from. With less DMac and more of the others, who knows how the season could have been changed by having more effective running game.
Either way, most here are judging the effectiveness of the line by the running game success. And the facts show that the running game was just fine with RBs in there that actually were on the same page with the system they were blocking in. So who really regressed here?
December 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Raider8 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
The game, talking about Alex Smith coming to the Raiders.
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Noooooooooooooooooo
December 27th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Oak still doing the “9th-ranked-Offense!” chant of last year.
As if YARDS count more than POINTS!
Last year’s O = 16th in POINTS.
Average. Worse this year. Bad Knapp hiring. No solid coordinators would touch this place. Let’s move on.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
NFL offensive coordinator Greg “Sideways” Knapp was arrested by Oakland police four minutes after the start of the Raiders/Chargers game.
“We just couldn’t take it,” Sergeant James Barker said at the scene. “He was just killing us. The man call three sweeps in a row and all we needed was half a yard.”
Barker, who had issued written citations to Knapp earlier in the season, said his Oakland P.D. had no choice. “The GM wouldn’t fire him, the coach wouldn’t fire him, the owner wouldn’t fire him, so we had to step in.”
December 27th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Marks hair Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
101… golstons good. But hes no jack tatum ..
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Correct. He is no Tatum. But he reminds me of him. As much as I hate the whiners, I love watching him play in person. I go to the Rams game every year (cousins are die hard Rams fans) and you get see how he intimidates people.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
wait till knapp/da get a hold of alex smith…
December 27th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Marks hair Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
101… golstons good. But hes no jack tatum ..
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Goldson is Mike Mitchell playing with an overall high talent unit. If those two swapped places, we’d all be talking about signing that Mitchell guy from the whiners that makes all those big hits, and wondering how we can get rid of this Goldson dude that can’t cover or wrap up on his tackles.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
130.alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Oak still doing the “9th-ranked-Offense!” chant of last year.
As if YARDS count more than POINTS!
Last year’s O = 16th in POINTS.
Average. Worse this year. Bad Knapp hiring. No solid coordinators would touch this place. Let’s move on.
================================================ Yep,easy stuff.especially when we were 8-8 and 1 play away from makeing the playoffs.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Sidways..lol
December 27th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
4-12….4-12….4-12
December 27th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
125.Marks hair Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
I don’t think I’ve ever hated a coaching staff more
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In the past I have hated parts of the coaching staff more….but never the entire bunch of them like this.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
If we keep Knapp and/or sign Alex Smith, I will take a sabbatical from watching NFL Football.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
i hate the coaching staff, the new scouts, reggie, reggie bootlickers, the new computers, the new carpet….
December 27th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Goldsons way better than mm34. Our secondaries pathetic.. all should get cut.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
i hate the coaching staff, the new scouts, reggie, reggie bootlickers, the new computers, the new carpet….
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how do you feel about the new overhead projector?
December 27th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Kiffin and staff? Horrible staff.
Shell and Omelette king?
December 27th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
118.Raider8 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
?Seymour is done. But someone will still pick him up, pay big bucks, and hope he has one mor hurrah.
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I don’t think so. No one is paying big bucks for Seymour. Not anymore.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
140.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
i hate the coaching staff, the new scouts, reggie, reggie bootlickers, the new computers, the new carpet….
Me to.That new computer upgrade has these guys playing some great forball.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Goldson is Mike Mitchell playing with an overall high talent unit. If those two swapped places, we’d all be talking about signing that Mitchell guy from the whiners that makes all those big hits, and wondering how we can get rid of this Goldson dude that can’t cover or wrap up on his tackles
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If that’s how you rate a player then Tatum was a Mike Mitchell as well. He was surrounded by argubly the best Raider Defense ever.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
If we keep Knapp and/or sign Alex Smith, I will take a sabbatical from watching NFL Football.
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I think Smith and Knapp were together in SF.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Raider8 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I think Smith and Knapp were together in SF.
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good place for them!
December 27th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
throw in the bew projector if it doesnt say fire DA
December 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
I’ll take Mitchell back. 2 years ago I had great sideline seats @ Jaguars.Opening kickoff Mitchell burried a blocker through the grass right in front of me.I cant beleive he didnt get ejected for that hit.Boy got some juice for a backup safety.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Its gonna be a long rebuild.. they ignored the trade deadline. Missed the opportunity to firesale some crap for picks… and failed to even evaluate or improve the QB position.. not to mention destroying dmacs chances at a nice 2nd contract.. sad..stupid
December 27th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Intrepid Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Kell? Are you losing it? You came on and jus posted to same guy, over and over?
It’s like you’re going loopy, dude.
You posted to Alex like 5 times in a row, minutes apart. Even reposted exact same comment 5 min apart.
Alex?? Can you just tell Kell to buzz off, so he’ll stop begging for a reply?
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KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Judge
You are aware that quality coordinators wouldn’t come here with Al right?
Chuck Pagano literally laughed at our open DC spot last year.
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Chuck Pagano “laughed” when he was asked BY A REPORTER if he was interested in working under Hue Jackson and the Al regime..NOT the Reggie regime.
I’m not sure if you are suggesting he thumbed his nose at Al or Reggie, and i’m not certain that he was ever interviewed for the gig or even contacted about it.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
150.oakfshow Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
I’ll take Mitchell back. 2 years ago I had great sideline seats @ Jaguars.Opening kickoff Mitchell burried a blocker through the grass right in front of me.I cant beleive he didnt get ejected for that hit.Boy got some juice for a backup safety.
I have been to alot of games in 30+ years,had some great seats and seen some great hits.That was with out a doubt the most violent smack I ever encountered.That dude didnt even know what street he was on.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
This is the only time in history when leaders of men can preform so badly and with such idiocy and not be put to death for it….
December 27th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Raider8 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Alex smith has better stats than anyone on the Raiders.
Just saying
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Stick him on this team and watch his stats nosedive.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Mm can stay on sp teams…but one hit every two yrs is crap.. Our entire secondary needs to get shìtcanned.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
EpaVet Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Goldson is Mike Mitchell playing with an overall high talent unit. If those two swapped places, we’d all be talking about signing that Mitchell guy from the whiners that makes all those big hits, and wondering how we can get rid of this Goldson dude that can’t cover or wrap up on his tackles
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If that’s how you rate a player then Tatum was a Mike Mitchell as well. He was surrounded by argubly the best Raider Defense ever.
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Tatum had 37 career ints. For an intimdator, he could actually cover and make plays on the ball when he felt like it.
By the way, my bad. Was confusing Goldson with Whitmer. Whitmer == Mitchell on a very good defense. For proof look at his 5 year Buffalo career before the Whiners, when he was a high first round pick that got a ton of tackles playing on a bad defense. He got no love. Now he’s on a very good defense where he needs to make way fewer tackles and yet he’s in the pro bowl.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
151.Marks hair Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Its gonna be a long rebuild.. they ignored the trade deadline. Missed the opportunity to firesale some crap for picks… and failed to even evaluate or improve the QB position.. not to mention destroying dmacs chances at a nice 2nd contract.. sad..stupid
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I don’t understand why right after DA announced publicly that we “had no pass rushers” they declined to put a claim in on Jason Babin. He only had 18 sacks last yr. and more this yr. than ANY of our guys.
He would’ve cost 1.3 mill. for the rest of the yr. and given us the opportunity to sign longer term if we wanted to. He’s 33. Reggie turned it down and even mentioned in his state of the Raiders presser that we didn’t need him.
Of course Reggie is waiting for that 22 yr. old kid who has 20 sacks a yr. AND will come cheap.
Whatever.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
156.Marks hair Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Mm can stay on sp teams…but one hit every two yrs is crap.. Our entire secondary needs to get shìtcanned.
yes.Backup safeties play ST.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
108.oakfshow Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
It takes MINOR statistical understanding to know that means you’re GOING TO REGRESS next year especially without 1st and 2nd round picks and losing FA to cap cuts.
It takes minor understanding that this was the 9th ranked O in the league last year.Changed the system,look at us now.Feild goals are the only thing produced.Same players mind you,different coaches.Easy stuff.
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Yep. How can someone say having an unknown 1st rounder last year and the 2nd rounder this year would have actually made a difference this past year?
The 2nd rounder is this year, not last years pick!
The 2nd rounder this year would not be on this years team!
What a bunch of idiots!
December 27th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
He would’ve cost 1.3 mill. for the rest of the yr. and given us the opportunity to sign longer term if we wanted to. He’s 33. Reggie turned it down and even mentioned in his state of the Raiders presser that we didn’t need him.
Of course Reggie is waiting for that 22 yr. old kid who has 20 sacks a yr. AND will come cheap.
Whatever.
Reggie doesnt know what we need.Hes an idiot! Check staff and record.Seen all I need to see from bottom lip.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
158.. tits has been lying his àss off all yr.. i hate his face.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
158.DJ Johnny Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
151.Marks hair Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Its gonna be a long rebuild.. they ignored the trade deadline. Missed the opportunity to firesale some crap for picks… and failed to even evaluate or improve the QB position.. not to mention destroying dmacs chances at a nice 2nd contract.. sad..stupid
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I don’t understand why right after DA announced publicly that we “had no pass rushers” they declined to put a claim in on Jason Babin. He only had 18 sacks last yr. and more this yr. than ANY of our guys.
He would’ve cost 1.3 mill. for the rest of the yr. and given us the opportunity to sign longer term if we wanted to. He’s 33. Reggie turned it down and even mentioned in his state of the Raiders presser that we didn’t need him.
Of course Reggie is waiting for that 22 yr. old kid who has 20 sacks a yr. AND will come cheap.
Whatever.
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I think the Jags had first shot at him.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
151.Marks hair Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Its gonna be a long rebuild.. they ignored the trade deadline. Missed the opportunity to firesale some crap for picks… and failed to even evaluate or improve the QB position.. not to mention destroying dmacs chances at a nice 2nd contract.. sad..stupid
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Don’t forget DA said many weeks back that at the end of the yr. we’ll all look back at what kind of season DMAC had and be able to say he “was SUCCESSFUL”.
If DA considers this season to be “SUCCESSFUL” for DMAC than we in are in a heap of trouble going forward and he needs to be canned immediately. I don’t care how bad it looks to the media idots that everyone is so scared of disappointing.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
162.Marks hair Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
158.. tits has been lying his àss off all yr.. i hate his face.
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Once DA was hired that POS crap Knapp was hired, I stopped giving a crap about this years team.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Once again.
This team is going nowhere with this POS coaching staff!
It’s a waste of time with these coaches.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Mm isnt good enough to be a backup ss.. hes a 3rd or 4th string guy.. sp teams only.. How many specialists that really don’t do anything can we afford?
December 27th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
I don’t get the hate on DA. Are you all really that dense, or just looking for someone to blame for the team being bad? Want to know why Condo, Lechler, and Seabass ended up being neglected for the Pro Bowl? Simple:
Condo has had tons of high snaps this year, and has not been the rock he normally is.
Janikowski has missed three field goald, albeit from long distances. However, the fact that there was an option better than him has nothing to do with the coaches.
Lechler hasn’t been as dominating as years past. How the hell is DA responsible for that?
The team in general lacks talent, gonna take more than a crappy draft and a single offseason to fix all that. Get real.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
163,
DKnight, Yes you’re right, but Reggie didn’t even put in a claim AND he said at his presser he didn’t want him anyway.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
- Wiz regressed big time with the move to center.
– Veldheer regressed some
– Briesel suddenly looks lost.. why in the hell did we bring HIM in?
So lets just put it this way… every single NFL player of any significance regressed on offense with the exception of CP, Reese, and Myers (and Myers STILL cannot run block to save his life.)
Turning the keys over on offense to a abject idiot had its price.
This can be fixed quickly though. Fire Knapp and the o-line coach and bring in hot hungry SB-quality replacements.
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Did the line overall really regress or did DMac? Again, stats tell at least part of the story.
DMac had 197 rushes this season with an amazing 3.3 average.
The combination of Goodson, Reece and Stewart — wait for it:
118 carries for over 4.9 yards average.
That’s a big enough sample of both DMac and non-DMac to draw some real conclusions from. With less DMac and more of the others, who knows how the season could have been changed by having more effective running game.
Either way, most here are judging the effectiveness of the line by the running game success. And the facts show that the running game was just fine with RBs in there that actually were on the same page with the system they were blocking in. So who really regressed here?
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When McFadden is in the game, teams focus on stopping him WAY more than they do if another RB is in. There is absolutely no denying that. I think its WAY more likely for an offensive line as a unit, who is being taught a different scheme, by bad coaches who cant implement well in Pollack and Knapp, along with players like Cooper Carlisle and Wiz playing out of position, to be accused of regression over 1 RB, who many believed was #2 in the league behind Peterson before the season started.
If people around here want to convince themselves that Mike Goodson is as good or a better player than DMac, cool. Whatever. I disagree 200%. Like Ive said a million times, Im sure Bill Belichick would have no problem knowing how to use DMac.
Knapp , Pollack, our line, and McFadden are easy for teams to game plan against. If all of you are so convinced McFadden regressed, we’ll see what happens when he goes elsewhere, and plays for competent coaches and game planners.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
169.DJ Johnny Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
163,
DKnight, Yes you’re right, but Reggie didn’t even put in a claim AND he said at his presser he didn’t want him anyway.
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I was surprised about that also. Would of liked to see Babin on this team.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Raider (since 1967)★
We need Good People like Cork! To stop by and not be affraid to Pop a question to Reggie or Allen in the Press conference. And ask them these ??? Question for us?
#1 – What about the Free Agency and anchoring and securing the Backfield so -they won’t throw against Raiders so much ?
SUGGEST-ASUONHWHA WOODSON AND DOLPHINS guys at least 2 Experience good guys.
#2-Get 2 Good linebackers – that want to commit themselves to
Leaders -Experience to Stop the Run amd Plug the.Holes
#3- Get 2 pass rusher and 1 Exp- Wide Receiver
#4- Go- to Free Agency-think ! What we really need!
#5- Go to Draft and get- Mantai Teo or Jarvis or Star Lotulelei or
Alabama – cb Millener. IMPACT PLAYERS -
#6 – Fire Knapp
#7 Put -Al Saunders
#3-Anchor that Offensive line and Protect the Qb and prevent
sacks injuries and Fumbles- fix that line.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
A football team is a reflection of it’s coaches.
The team sucked this year and we know how much this crap coaching staff contributed to that.
DA hiring someone like Knapp as OC is PROOF of that!
December 27th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Well, with MNF over with for the year and our season ending on Sunday, if there was any truth to the Gruden rumor we would hear about it on next Monday right?
December 27th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Kamikaze_Sensei Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
I don’t get the hate on DA. Are you all really that dense, or just looking for someone to blame for the team being bad? Want to know why Condo, Lechler, and Seabass ended up being neglected for the Pro Bowl? Simple:
Condo has had tons of high snaps this year, and has not been the rock he normally is.
Janikowski has missed three field goald, albeit from long distances. However, the fact that there was an option better than him has nothing to do with the coaches.
Lechler hasn’t been as dominating as years past. How the hell is DA responsible for that?
The team in general lacks talent, gonna take more than a crappy draft and a single offseason to fix all that. Get real.
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Is it your opinion that Dennis Allen is a good football coach?
December 27th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
@174
You really want Gruden? The only time he was relevant was when he was on the bucs. Every season after that he was a subpar coach. A flash in the pan, if you will. There is nothing to support the fact that he’ll change anything. DA will right this ship, I have faith.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Intrepid Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Kell? Are you losing it? You came on and jus posted to same guy, over and over?
It’s like you’re going loopy, dude.
You posted to Alex like 5 times in a row, minutes apart. Even reposted exact same comment 5 min apart.
Alex?? Can you just tell Kell to buzz off, so he’ll stop begging for a reply?
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KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Judge
You are aware that quality coordinators wouldn’t come here with Al right?
Chuck Pagano literally laughed at our open DC spot last year.
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Well looky here, Cross postimg Alex coward posting under his own name…….wow.
Whatup Bootlicker?
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KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Judge
I’ll spell it out:
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Not posting as me today btch? Maybe later? Lol.
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KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Yes Judge
you are lost if you don’t realize it’s taken more than a year for quality veteran coaches to put Oakland as a possible work place.
Also, remember these guys were hired 10 months ago.
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Not posting as me today btch? Maybe later?
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KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Alex7 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Dutch
I have Bills OC Curtis Modkins and Norv Turner as the top of possible OCs available.
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Well now, people are responding to your posts. does that mean you don’t need my name to get attention anymore, btch?
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KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am
@alex7
Are the Bills coaching staff supposed to get the boot?
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Yeah do tell, cross posting btch
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What’s it to you, bich?
December 27th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Kamikaze_Sensei Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
I don’t get the hate on DA. Are you all really that dense, or just looking for someone to blame for the team being bad? Want to know why Condo, Lechler, and Seabass ended up being neglected for the Pro Bowl? Simple:
Condo has had tons of high snaps this year, and has not been the rock he normally is.
Janikowski has missed three field goald, albeit from long distances. However, the fact that there was an option better than him has nothing to do with the coaches.
Lechler hasn’t been as dominating as years past. How the hell is DA responsible for that?
The team in general lacks talent, gonna take more than a crappy draft and a single offseason to fix all that. Get real.
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Is it your opinion that Dennis Allen is a good football coach?
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He’s not Hue, and that works for me.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Kamikaze_Sensei Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
I don’t get the hate on DA. Are you all really that dense, or just looking for someone to blame for the team being bad? Want to know why Condo, Lechler, and Seabass ended up being neglected for the Pro Bowl? Simple:
Condo has had tons of high snaps this year, and has not been the rock he normally is.
Janikowski has missed three field goald, albeit from long distances. However, the fact that there was an option better than him has nothing to do with the coaches.
Lechler hasn’t been as dominating as years past. How the hell is DA responsible for that?
The team in general lacks talent, gonna take more than a crappy draft and a single offseason to fix all that. Get real.
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Is it your opinion that Dennis Allen is a good football coach?
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I say it’s too soon to truly determine his effectiveness. It’s lunacy to expect a coach to dynamically change a bad team around in a single season. If we don’t show improvement next season, then we can start placing the blame on him. But it’s too early yet.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
A football team is a reflection of it’s coaches.
The team sucked this year and we know how much this crap coaching staff contributed to that.
DA hiring someone like Knapp as OC is PROOF of that!
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Why crucify DA for hiring Knapp, when Al Davis also hired Knapp?
December 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Tatum had 37 career ints. For an intimdator, he could actually cover and make plays on the ball when he felt like it.
By the way, my bad. Was confusing Goldson with Whitmer. Whitmer == Mitchell on a very good defense. For proof look at his 5 year Buffalo career before the Whiners, when he was a high first round pick that got a ton of tackles playing on a bad defense. He got no love. Now he’s on a very good defense where he needs to make way fewer tackles and yet he’s in the pro bowl.
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Yes, Whitner is overrated. He was a top 10 pick when he came out. Goldson on the other hand was a 4th round pick.
Anyways, F@#$ the whiners! Hope Goldson leaves them and joins us next year. But in reality, after making the pro bowl, he might be too expensive. Hopfully in the later rounds of the draft we can find a gem. We desperately need a real Free Safety!
Last real FS we had was Rod Woodson! I miss Eric Turner (RIP).
December 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Fire Dennis Allen ASAP.
Admit the mistake and move on.
December 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Hard to argue with this.
RaiderRan Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Stop the We Miss Hue whine. Hue is gone, and should stay gone. Anyone who says otherwise didn’t pay attention last year.
Hue took over Cable’s 8-8 team. Yes, Hue finished at 8-8 but only because of a monumental collapse at the end of the year, that should not have happened.
-Raiders started season 7-4, only to lose 4 of the last 5 games. Just one win in there would have put us in the playoffs. That is on the coaches. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Hue said he was going to build a bully. He couldn’t build a box with lego’s if you spotted him 3 sides. Under Hue in charge, the Raiders committed 163 penalties. AN NFL RECORD. For 1,358 yds. ANOTHER NFL RECORD. Not only did Hue not instill discipline, the team got worse. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 31 TD passes. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 5.1 yds per carry, on defense. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 4,262 yds passing. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 6,201 total yards. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 433 pts. the 3RD WORST IN FRANCHISE HISTORY. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, was one of only 4 TEAMS, IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL, TO GIVE UP AT LEAST 30 TD PASSES, AND AT LEAST 5.0 YARDS PER CARRY. Two of those teams were the ‘50 Colts and the ‘52 Texans. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, became the sixth team since the 1970 merger to allow at least 2,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing in a season. FAIL Bye Hue.
Forget Hue acting like a total idiot, and prima donna, demanding more control. Or him throwing the team under the bus, after stating all along he deserved all the blame. He got fired because he didn’t just do an inadequate job, but, as you can see above, Hue did a horrible job.————————-
December 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
176.Kamikaze_Sensei Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
@174
You really want Gruden? The only time he was relevant was when he was on the bucs. Every season after that he was a subpar coach. A flash in the pan, if you will. There is nothing to support the fact that he’ll change anything. DA will right this ship, I have faith.
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You kidding?
I think 95% of Raider fans would take Gruden back in a heartbeat ahead of the unproven DA and his crappy coaching staff!
December 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
hwnrdr Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
So, Seymour was finally placed on IR
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Just a hunch, on my part. But, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn, that Seymour actually blew out his hammy racing to be first in line on payday, to get his check…
December 27th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Kamikaze_Sensei Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
@174
You really want Gruden? The only time he was relevant was when he was on the bucs. Every season after that he was a subpar coach. A flash in the pan, if you will. There is nothing to support the fact that he’ll change anything. DA will right this ship, I have faith.
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The only time Gruden was relevant was when he was Bucs coach? Doesnt sound like you know much about the Raiders. Bucs wanted Gruden BECAUSE of what he did with the Raiders. He took over a 4-12 team from Joe Bugel, turned them to an 8-8 team his rookie coaching season, ended up getting us to 12-4, then 10-6. Sounds like pretty good turn around to me.
My questions to you is, when has Dennis Allen ever been a “relevant coach”?
December 27th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Hard to argue with this.
RaiderRan Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Stop the We Miss Hue whine. Hue is gone, and should stay gone. Anyone who says otherwise didn’t pay attention last year.
Hue took over Cable’s 8-8 team. Yes, Hue finished at 8-8 but only because of a monumental collapse at the end of the year, that should not have happened.
-Raiders started season 7-4, only to lose 4 of the last 5 games. Just one win in there would have put us in the playoffs. That is on the coaches. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Hue said he was going to build a bully. He couldn’t build a box with lego’s if you spotted him 3 sides. Under Hue in charge, the Raiders committed 163 penalties. AN NFL RECORD. For 1,358 yds. ANOTHER NFL RECORD. Not only did Hue not instill discipline, the team got worse. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 31 TD passes. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 5.1 yds per carry, on defense. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 4,262 yds passing. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 6,201 total yards. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 433 pts. the 3RD WORST IN FRANCHISE HISTORY. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, was one of only 4 TEAMS, IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL, TO GIVE UP AT LEAST 30 TD PASSES, AND AT LEAST 5.0 YARDS PER CARRY. Two of those teams were the ‘50 Colts and the ‘52 Texans. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, became the sixth team since the 1970 merger to allow at least 2,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing in a season. FAIL Bye Hue.
Forget Hue acting like a total idiot, and prima donna, demanding more control. Or him throwing the team under the bus, after stating all along he deserved all the blame. He got fired because he didn’t just do an inadequate job, but, as you can see above, Hue did a horrible job.————————-
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OOOH!!!
Who wants to be the one to make a list of Dennis Allen’s “accomplishments” this season?
December 27th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Kamikaze must be Raider riff with a new name.. Sorry dude but this is the worst coaching staff in the NFL.. And clearly the worst staff in the history of the Oakland Raiders
December 27th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
And clearly the worst staff in the history of the Oakland Raiders
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How is this worse than the bed and breakfast staff?
December 27th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
176.Kamikaze_Sensei Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
@174
You really want Gruden? The only time he was relevant was when he was on the bucs. Every season after that he was a subpar coach. A flash in the pan, if you will. There is nothing to support the fact that he’ll change anything. DA will right this ship, I have faith.
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Do I really want Gruden? Of course.
I don’t think we’re getting him though, but if they announced he was coming here I would be ecstatic. It would be the mnost exciting news i’ve heard as a Raider fan in YEARS.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Gruden went 8-8 8-8 12-4 10-6 with us.DA 4-11. end of that goofy discussion.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
only thing worse than a reggie bootlicker is a DA sharpie licker…
December 27th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
B&B staff had no talent. No qb.. nothing… this o was fine.. many said it was stacked.. as we led the nfl in big plays last yr.. worst staff EVER!
December 27th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Kamikaze said:
“It’s lunacy to expect a coach to dynamically change a bad team around in a single season. If we don’t show improvement next season, then we can start placing the blame on him. But it’s too early yet.”
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Lunacy? The Rams went from 2-14 to 7-7-1 IN ONE SEASON. The Colts from 2-14 to 10-5. SF (2 yr’s ago) from 6-10 to 13-3.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
189.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
And clearly the worst staff in the history of the Oakland Raiders
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How is this worse than the bed and breakfast staff?
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I’ll play: Because Norv Turner didn’t have a 9th ranked Offense, Or Aaron Brooks to blame, Bad Salary cap situation forced Charles Woodson out,
Oh Snap, Now i’m making excuses. Damm didn’t realize how easy it is to get sucked into that
December 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Hard to argue with this.
RaiderRan Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Stop the We Miss Hue whine. Hue is gone, and should stay gone. Anyone who says otherwise didn’t pay attention last year.
Hue took over Cable’s 8-8 team. Yes, Hue finished at 8-8 but only because of a monumental collapse at the end of the year, that should not have happened.
-Raiders started season 7-4, only to lose 4 of the last 5 games. Just one win in there would have put us in the playoffs. That is on the coaches. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Hue said he was going to build a bully. He couldn’t build a box with lego’s if you spotted him 3 sides. Under Hue in charge, the Raiders committed 163 penalties. AN NFL RECORD. For 1,358 yds. ANOTHER NFL RECORD. Not only did Hue not instill discipline, the team got worse. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 31 TD passes. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 5.1 yds per carry, on defense. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 4,262 yds passing. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 6,201 total yards. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 433 pts. the 3RD WORST IN FRANCHISE HISTORY. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, was one of only 4 TEAMS, IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL, TO GIVE UP AT LEAST 30 TD PASSES, AND AT LEAST 5.0 YARDS PER CARRY. Two of those teams were the ‘50 Colts and the ‘52 Texans. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, became the sixth team since the 1970 merger to allow at least 2,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing in a season. FAIL Bye Hue.
Forget Hue acting like a total idiot, and prima donna, demanding more control. Or him throwing the team under the bus, after stating all along he deserved all the blame. He got fired because he didn’t just do an inadequate job, but, as you can see above, Hue did a horrible job.————————-
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OOOH!!!
Who wants to be the one to make a list of Dennis Allen’s “accomplishments” this season?
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While you are at it, make a list of Al Davis accomplishments the last 10 years.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Do you root for the name on the front of the Jersey or the back?
If you are a Raider, I support you.
McKenzie and DA are OUR peoples now!!!!
Doesn’t mean you care any less for Al Davis and everything he stood for by supporting the new GM and HC.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Kamikaze_Sensei Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Kamikaze_Sensei Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
I don’t get the hate on DA. Are you all really that dense, or just looking for someone to blame for the team being bad? Want to know why Condo, Lechler, and Seabass ended up being neglected for the Pro Bowl? Simple:
Condo has had tons of high snaps this year, and has not been the rock he normally is.
Janikowski has missed three field goald, albeit from long distances. However, the fact that there was an option better than him has nothing to do with the coaches.
Lechler hasn’t been as dominating as years past. How the hell is DA responsible for that?
The team in general lacks talent, gonna take more than a crappy draft and a single offseason to fix all that. Get real.
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Is it your opinion that Dennis Allen is a good football coach?
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I say it’s too soon to truly determine his effectiveness. It’s lunacy to expect a coach to dynamically change a bad team around in a single season. If we don’t show improvement next season, then we can start placing the blame on him. But it’s too early yet.
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That would be cool, if he inherited a bad team. He didnt take over the 2-14 Art Shell Raiders. He didnt take over the Lane Kiffin Raiders. He took over a team that was 8-8 2 years in a row, and was a single play away from making the playoffs last year. Was that a Super Bowl team? No. Is this team playing worse than it played last year? Yes.
Hes had a full season. This board has gone week after week, game after game, with examples of his ineptitude. We’ve given numerous reasons why we believe he is NOT a good coach.
You have given zero reasons why you believe he is or can be a good coach.
Maybe a season where the entire team is performing worse than they did one season ago is not enough for you to be able to assess whats going on. Fine. But its been enough for me to see that this guy doesnt have what it takes.
Some things take longer for some of us to realize than others. Oh, well.
No point arguing on this board anymore with people that think Dennis Allen is the guy. Its pointless. He clearly isnt, but I guess some people want to see him lose even more than he already has.
We’re all different.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
197.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Do you root for the name on the front of the Jersey or the back?
If you are a Raider, I support you.
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Proof right there that you’re not really a True Raiders fan. Real fans know the Raiders jersey doesn’t contain the Team Name or Logo on the Front.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
176.Kamikaze_Sensei Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
@174
You really want Gruden? The only time he was relevant was when he was on the bucs. Every season after that he was a subpar coach. A flash in the pan, if you will. There is nothing to support the fact that he’ll change anything. DA will right this ship, I have faith.
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You kidding?
I think 95% of Raider fans would take Gruden back in a heartbeat ahead of the unproven DA and his crappy coaching staff!
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Why would Gruden want to come back to a place he left? Team is worse off than before. Dysfunctional from top to bottom. Bottom 5 team in the NFL. Too many headaches. Won’t happen.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
199…lmao i think the 49ers logo is on the front.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
197.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Do you root for the name on the front of the Jersey or the back?
If you are a Raider, I support you.
McKenzie and DA are OUR peoples now!!!!
Doesn’t mean you care any less for Al Davis and everything he stood for by supporting the new GM and HC.
Loser talk.No they are not our peoples after this week.Say goodbye.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
For all you lovers of 4-11 records and rampant and excessive excuses for not accomplishing anything, you’ll be pleased when it’s announced nobody is going anywhere…including Greg Knapp.
Like our great HC says: “When you believe in something you stick with it..no matter what”.
His “no matter what” includes no matter how many games you lose or careers you destroy, or fans you alienate, or jokes you hear about your team on Jay Leno.
YOU STICK WITH IT NO MATTER WHAT.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Don’t blame Seymour. He didn’t ask to come here. He was traded and immediately became a leader and once Cable took over was part of the team going in the right direction. Seymour was a pro bowler last year and still has something left in the tank. Guys like Houston, Bryant, Shaunasty and even Kelly are much better because of him. He could have been a cancer like Sapp was but at least he was a stand up guy and played pretty well on a bad D.
He’ll resign with the Pats next year and end his career as a winner.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Loser talk.No they are not our peoples after this week.Say goodbye.
203.DJ Johnny Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
For all you lovers of 4-11 records and rampant and excessive excuses for not accomplishing anything, you’ll be pleased when it’s announced nobody is going anywhere…including Greg Knapp.
Like our great HC says: “When you believe in something you stick with it..no matter what”.
His “no matter what” includes no matter how many games you lose or careers you destroy, or fans you alienate, or jokes you hear about your team on Jay Leno.
YOU STICK WITH IT NO MATTER WHAT.
Dumbest fking thing I have ever read.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Do you root for the name on the front of the Jersey or the back?
If you are a Raider, I support you.
McKenzie and DA are OUR peoples now!!!!
Doesn’t mean you care any less for Al Davis and everything he stood for by supporting the new GM and HC.
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Sorry, I just cant place my support on blind faith. Especially for two guys that I had no reason to support prior to them becoming Raiders. But we all have different principles.
When Reggie DA arrived, I wanted nothing more than for these men to be successful. As you said, we’re all Raiders fans, and we would all be happy to see this team succeed, regardless of who it is that gets credit. We just want to see some good football.
My disdain for these guys has only accumulated based on what THEY have done, and on nothing else. I have no interest in disliking these guys. Hell, I STILL wish they were successful. But the truth is the truth. Theyve failed this season. And theres nothing wrong with us expressing our disappointment. Thats what this board is all about.
I want the Raiders to win though. Just like you.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
201.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
199…lmao i think the 49ers logo is on the front.
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Steelers too i think
December 27th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
No 1 except for maybe Amy’s in charge said we would get gruden back. But I think most people would love to have gruden back…
December 27th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
FIRED with cause.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Listening to DA when referring to the offense it appears that Knapp will indeed be the scapegoat.
I would prefer DA also get the hook but since Reggie stupidly handed him the reigns with a 4 year deal its inevitable DA is back next year.
I think Al Saunders getting OC job and a move back towards a power offense makes the most sense.
What’s the odds that will happen though? With Allen, he’ll probably go out and get another ZBS guy and let Saunders go.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
197.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Do you root for the name on the front of the Jersey or the back?
If you are a Raider, I support you.
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Proof right there that you’re not really a True Raiders fan. Real fans know the Raiders jersey doesn’t contain the Team Name or Logo on the Front.
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Jersey’s have whatever you put on it.
I have two jersey’s.
One says “I kick Pootbutts around for fun”
Other one says “Realtor of the Year, 2012″
December 27th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
FIRED with cause.Lied on his application about being male.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Raiders put Seymour on IR…
December 27th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Hard to argue with this.
RaiderRan Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Stop the We Miss Hue whine. Hue is gone, and should stay gone. Anyone who says otherwise didn’t pay attention last year.
Hue took over Cable’s 8-8 team. Yes, Hue finished at 8-8 but only because of a monumental collapse at the end of the year, that should not have happened.
-Raiders started season 7-4, only to lose 4 of the last 5 games. Just one win in there would have put us in the playoffs. That is on the coaches. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Hue said he was going to build a bully. He couldn’t build a box with lego’s if you spotted him 3 sides. Under Hue in charge, the Raiders committed 163 penalties. AN NFL RECORD. For 1,358 yds. ANOTHER NFL RECORD. Not only did Hue not instill discipline, the team got worse. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 31 TD passes. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 5.1 yds per carry, on defense. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 4,262 yds passing. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 6,201 total yards. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 433 pts. the 3RD WORST IN FRANCHISE HISTORY. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, was one of only 4 TEAMS, IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL, TO GIVE UP AT LEAST 30 TD PASSES, AND AT LEAST 5.0 YARDS PER CARRY. Two of those teams were the ‘50 Colts and the ‘52 Texans. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, became the sixth team since the 1970 merger to allow at least 2,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing in a season. FAIL Bye Hue.
Forget Hue acting like a total idiot, and prima donna, demanding more control. Or him throwing the team under the bus, after stating all along he deserved all the blame. He got fired because he didn’t just do an inadequate job, but, as you can see above, Hue did a horrible job.————————-
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OOOH!!!
Who wants to be the one to make a list of Dennis Allen’s “accomplishments” this season?
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While you are at it, make a list of Al Davis accomplishments the last 10 years.
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Sure, Al died with his team 6-4 and in 1st place in the division. He also has 3 SB rings, and has given Hall of Fame speeches for more Hall Of Famers than ANYONE on Earth. Fact. Just stop. Trying to bring up Al Davis in a comparison between Dennis Allen and Hue Jackson is lame. You can do better than that.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Lol.. name on the front… are you getting high too?
December 27th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
B&B staff had no talent. No qb.. nothing… this o was fine.. many said it was stacked
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Everyone was drinking the kool aid that offseason too. Gallery at LT, the so called helluva defense.
Disaster part 1.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
I bet Allen cries after being fired like a little biatch.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
211.KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
197.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Do you root for the name on the front of the Jersey or the back?
If you are a Raider, I support you.
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Proof right there that you’re not really a True Raiders fan. Real fans know the Raiders jersey doesn’t contain the Team Name or Logo on the Front.
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Jersey’s have whatever you put on it.
I have two jersey’s.
One says “I kick Pootbutts around for fun”
Other one says “Realtor of the Year, 2012″
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Shows how poor that statement of “Rooting for the name on the Front or Back” is.
Also doesn’t account for the people who still wear their clothes Kriss Kross style.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
200,
You’re right. Gruden coming would be a bold, positive move for the organization.
They don’t believe in that kind of silliness.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
189.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
And clearly the worst staff in the history of the Oakland Raiders
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How is this worse than the bed and breakfast staff?
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DA and his crap staff is the 2nd worst behind Art Shell and Tom Walsh Part 2 bed and breakfast.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
God, I hope you are wrong. If “Sideways” stays, we will be stuck in the gutter for another year.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
are you getting high too?
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LOL
Not yet dogg.
5 minutes.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Mark, make your father proud for christ sake fire everybody.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
220.DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
189.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
And clearly the worst staff in the history of the Oakland Raiders
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How is this worse than the bed and breakfast staff?
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DA and his crap staff is the 2nd worst behind Art Shell and Tom Walsh Part 2 bed and breakfast.
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Maybe but the gap is closer than you think. Both DA and B&B lost to the Cleveland Browns
December 27th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Guess it’s safe to say that anyone with the last name of Davis can’t make a smart football decision to save their life?
Ya, thought so!
December 27th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
DA is a tranny.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
This is a denver sabotage job right here… tits is a double agent..
December 27th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
223.oakfshow Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Mark, make your father proud for christ sake fire everybody.
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If there was ever a time for an Impulse Firing, It’d be now.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Real fans know the Raiders jersey doesn’t contain the Team Name or Logo on the Front
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Did you really just post that?
December 27th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
205.oakfshow Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Loser talk.No they are not our peoples after this week.Say goodbye.
203.DJ Johnny Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
For all you lovers of 4-11 records and rampant and excessive excuses for not accomplishing anything, you’ll be pleased when it’s announced nobody is going anywhere…including Greg Knapp.
Like our great HC says: “When you believe in something you stick with it..no matter what”.
His “no matter what” includes no matter how many games you lose or careers you destroy, or fans you alienate, or jokes you hear about your team on Jay Leno.
YOU STICK WITH IT NO MATTER WHAT.
Dumbest fking thing I have ever read.
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Sure is.
Being stupid AND stubborn is a bad combination for a head coach.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
223.oakfshow Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Mark, make your father proud for christ sake fire everybody.
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I’d like Mark to be a little more up to date and have a nice Power-point presentation at the firing.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
229.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Real fans know the Raiders jersey doesn’t contain the Team Name or Logo on the Front
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Did you really just post that?
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What’s the matter, can’t handle the truth?
December 27th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
200,
You’re right. Gruden coming would be a bold, positive move for the organization.
They don’t believe in that kind of silliness.
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I ran into Gruden yesterday at Safeway. Said he’s never coming back to the Raiders. Said that chapter is over. Said if anything he will coach the Eagles, or the Cardinals. No one else.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
.No they are not our peoples after this week.
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Sorry, Oak.
McKenzie and DA aren’t getting fired THIS offseason.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
I’d like Mark to be a little more up to date and have a nice Power-point presentation at the firing.
Yes,he can point to Allen’s chest and say here’s 1,and here’s two.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
B&B staff had no talent. No qb.. nothing… this o was fine.. many said it was stacked
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Everyone was drinking the kool aid that offseason too. Gallery at LT, the so called helluva defense.
Disaster part 1.
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So, did Art Shell deserve to be fired? I think we all agree that the answer is yes.
Dennis Allen’s defense has been worse. And the offense this season has been horrible, with FAR better talent than what Shell had.
Lets see, Aaron Brooks and Andrew Walter or Carson Palmer?
Lamont Jordan or Darren McFadden?
Courtney Anderson or Myers/Ausberry?
They had Moss. OK. And Ronald Curry, Whitted, Gabriel.
This team has far more talent than that team on the offensive side. We had a good D that year, but all in all, the expectations between that season and this season were not even close.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
What’s the matter, can’t handle the truth?
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If you really need to disect a cliche, then …..
December 27th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 11:29 am
For Palmer to be middle of the pack(ranked 16th I think in QB rating) with the sorry sacks around him and a POS coach is pretty good if you ask me. In the same circumstances, Russell would be floundering. Guaranteed.
Elite? Probably not.
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WTF?? The team Palmer has around him is an All-Century team compared to what JR had around him in 2008 or 2009. And somehow, JR led us to a 5-10 record in 2008 compared to Palmer’s 4-11. Forget that “best QB since Gannon” blsht! When Palmer can lead this team to 5 victories, or any other team for that matter, come talk to me. Until then, JR was the better QB in Oakland.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
I almost stepped on Knapp while walking down the sidewalk this morning. Turned out someone just didn’t clean up after their dog.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
I ran into Gruden yesterday at Safeway. Said he’s never coming back to the Raiders. Said that chapter is over. Said if anything he will coach the Eagles, or the Cardinals. No one else.
There’s no Safeways in Florida, where Gruden lives guy.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
This team has far more talent than that team on the offensive side. We had a good D that year, but all in all, the expectations between that season and this season were not even close.
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That’s debateable.
I think Knapp and the bed and breakfast OC were equally bad.
All this team needs is a decent OC.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
I hope mark busts out the projector and a series crude pornographic drawings depicting us getting bùttfùcked bye the dolphins bucks browns……your fired for cause
December 27th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
240.oakfshow Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
I ran into Gruden yesterday at Safeway. Said he’s never coming back to the Raiders. Said that chapter is over. Said if anything he will coach the Eagles, or the Cardinals. No one else.
There’s no Safeways in Florida, where Gruden lives guy.
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That means Gruden is in the Bay area, and the rumors are true!
December 27th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
The team Palmer has around him is an All-Century team compared to what JR had around him in 2008 or 2009.
LMAO
December 27th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
black monday just a few days away….
December 27th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
So, did Art Shell deserve to be fired? I think we all agree that the answer is yes.
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You didn’t like the way he handled Jerry Porter, lol?
December 27th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
CUT RICK ROSS.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
242…lmao
December 27th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
So, did Art Shell deserve to be fired? I think we all agree that the answer is yes.
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You didn’t like the way he handled Jerry Porter, lol?
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He handled Aaron Brooks the same way DA handled Taiwan Jones.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
I ran into Gruden while he was getting a rub n’ tug at the Alouette Massage Parlour on East 12th St. He said: “Uggggghhhhh”
December 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
#242 He can have Madden call the play by play … There you see he turns to the left and boom what an explosion…
December 27th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
189.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
And clearly the worst staff in the history of the Oakland Raiders
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How is this worse than the bed and breakfast staff?
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DA and his crap staff is the 2nd worst behind Art Shell and Tom Walsh Part 2 bed and breakfast.
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I say this is worse. This was supposed to be a team of “professionals”.
Shell brought Walsh from making pancakes. He wasnt gonna be very good, no matter what. And Shell took over a 4-12 team. Dennis Allen took over an 8-8 team. People wanna talk about DA having it rough? Please. He was put in a position to succeed, and failed. Period.
The Dennis Allen era is worse than Art Shell 2. THAT team was TRULY a rebuilding team. This, was not. This was a team that needed a few tweaks to get BETTER. Progress should have been made. Instead, we fall back to the middle of the 2000s, erasing the progress we were making the last 2 seasons, at 8-8. People talk of rebuilding. WE WERE REBUILDING. We were in the SB in 2002. We had a few bad seasons, but then back to back 8-8. THATS WHAT YOU BUILD ON and MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO. These guys came in here and destroyed the progress of two years straight.
We should not have only gotten 4 wins this season.
We should not have been blown out multiple times.
We should not have had to watch our offense get WORSE, because they promised it would get BETTER.
Dennis Allen did a bad job. People need to stop vouching for him like hes the second coming of Madden. Hes not.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
250.ottocrat Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
I ran into Gruden while he was getting a rub n’ tug at the Alouette Massage Parlour on East 12th St. He said: “Uggggghhhhh”
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lmao
December 27th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Hue = One defensive stand from playoffs (1st time in 9 years)
DA = Cut down the penalties sort of?
December 27th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
254.LA to TheBay Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Hue = One defensive stand from playoffs (1st time in 9 years)
DA = Cut down the penalties sort of?
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SMH….once the regular refs came back, even that seemed to go out the window.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
224.The_Judge37 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
220.DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
189.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
And clearly the worst staff in the history of the Oakland Raiders
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How is this worse than the bed and breakfast staff?
^^^^^^^^
DA and his crap staff is the 2nd worst behind Art Shell and Tom Walsh Part 2 bed and breakfast.
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Maybe but the gap is closer than you think. Both DA and B&B lost to the Cleveland Browns
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True! That is utterly terrible.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
McKenzie and DA are OUR peoples now!!!!
Doesn’t mean you care any less for Al Davis and everything he stood for by supporting the new GM and HC.
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Truth
This is the part I do not understand.
You are either a Raider fan or you aint.
Get with the FVCKING program.
Yeah our team sucks right now (and for ever it seems like) but get off the bus if you dont like it or shut up.
We aint gonna suck forever. I hate KNAPP by the way but other than that GO RAIDERS
December 27th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Guess it’s safe to say that anyone with the last name of Davis can’t make a smart football decision to save their life?
Ya, thought so!
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Had enough of being Alex? Lol.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
No way McK is picking an OLinemen with that top 4 pick.
That pick is going to be on defense or a trade down!
December 27th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
LMAO at the thought that fans have to support every aspect of an organization.
What a childish idea.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
So, did Art Shell deserve to be fired? I think we all agree that the answer is yes.
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You didn’t like the way he handled Jerry Porter, lol?
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Man, gross times as a Raiders fan.
So, I guess McClain is DA’s Porter.
Maybe the Shell/Allen parallels are accurate.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
252 best post in a long time…
December 27th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Dennis Allen = Art Shell III?
December 27th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Man I been tellin u guys for so long I’m sick of sayin it. Doesn’t matter who we draft. Won’t do a damn bit of good as long as we retain this coaching staff. Will only mess it up. Get a new staff, then you can think draft.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
they will sit their #1 pick until week 16…
December 27th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
LMAO at the thought that fans have to support every aspect of an organization.
What a childish idea.
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Dakota, the Bootlickers insist on that every damned losing year, after losing year.. If you’re not down with it, you’re not a “true Raider fan”
-Bootlickers and Cross posters.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
263.John David Booty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Dennis Allen = Art Shell III?
^^^^^^^
More like Lame Kiffin Part 2.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
264.Long Bottom Leaf Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Man I been tellin u guys for so long I’m sick of sayin it. Doesn’t matter who we draft. Won’t do a damn bit of good as long as we retain this coaching staff. Will only mess it up. Get a new staff, then you can think draft.
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Agreed. We need a REAL coaching staff first
December 27th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Long Bottom Leaf Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Man I been tellin u guys for so long I’m sick of sayin it. Doesn’t matter who we draft.
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Really? Under what name have you been telling us this? Can you provide a link?
December 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Who was the coach when we were 8-2 and when we played the cowboys the game was billed as a SB preview, instead the cowboys tore a patch out our ass and we finished up at 8-8.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
263.John David Booty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Dennis Allen = Art Shell III?
^^^^^^^
More like Lame Kiffin Part 2.
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Damn, so you mean that we have to wait 5 more games for this staff to be canned, instead of one more game?
December 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
The Similarities between Allen and Shell are Uncanny:
Both Lost to the Browns, but beat the Steelers
Both made horrible decision with OC’s
Both benched players with bad attitudes
Both Bench player afte their first fumbles.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Dakota, the Bootlickers insist on that every damned losing year, after losing year.. If you’re not down with it, you’re not a “true Raider fan”
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Bootlickers support the status quo. Raider fans are sick of this manure. We want coaches who have some balls. Iron balls. Not marshmellow balls. Balls that carry some weight. Loaded balls ready to explode if need be. Wrecking ball type balls. Wow. The type of balls that make a coach great, not soft balls. We need balls of fury. Man sized balls.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
270.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Who was the coach when we were 8-2 and when we played the cowboys the game was billed as a SB preview, instead the cowboys tore a patch out our ass and we finished up at 8-8.
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Mike White?
December 27th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Dennis Allen did a bad job. People need to stop vouching for him like hes the second coming of Madden. Hes not.
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I don’t know if I agree. If you look at the the things he had complete control of, the defense, team playing hard, and overall penalties; I saw progress… especially lately. And lets not pretend he had much to work with in talent on defense, especially with Seymour hurt. The defense sucked last year too.
His main mistake was trusting an abject idiot to be in complete control of the offense. There was plenty of talent on offense… with CP coming back and having an entire off season to learn the play book. This was a top ten offense last year with McF.
What was Allen supposed to do about an offense that he prolly knows nothing about?
December 27th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
271.John David Booty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
263.John David Booty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Dennis Allen = Art Shell III?
^^^^^^^
More like Lame Kiffin Part 2.
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Damn, so you mean that we have to wait 5 more games for this staff to be canned, instead of one more game?
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At least for DA to be canned. Knapp and Hoffman should be canned for sure on Black Monday.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Who was the coach when we were 8-2 and when we played the cowboys the game was billed as a SB preview, instead the cowboys tore a patch out our ass and we finished up at 8-8.
———–1995. Mike White.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Both DA and Lame Kitten hired crappy Knapp as their OC.
What does that tell you?
December 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Some of you guys sound like a bunch of clowns. It might be time to turn off the internet, take a deep breath, and walk around the block or something.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
LMAO at the thought that fans have to support every aspect of an organization.
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LOL
I think this is the first topic you and I ever “debated”.
How many years ago was that?
December 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Who was the coach when we were 8-2 and when we played the cowboys the game was billed as a SB preview, instead the cowboys tore a patch out our ass and we finished up at 8-8.
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I believe you would be referring to a Mr. Mike White. AKA Hue Jackson 1.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Long Bottom Leaf Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Dakota, the Bootlickers insist on that every damned losing year, after losing year.. If you’re not down with it, you’re not a “true Raider fan”
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Bootlickers support the status quo. Raider fans are sick of this manure. We want coaches who have some balls. Iron balls. Not marshmellow balls. Balls that carry some weight. Loaded balls ready to explode if need be. Wrecking ball type balls. Wow. The type of balls that make a coach great, not soft balls. We need balls of fury. Man sized balls.
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Only coach I KNOW that fits that bill to a TEE….Is Chip Kelley from Oregon….But he ain’t coming here. DANG
December 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Fire Knapp!!
December 27th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Only 4 more days till they fire Knapp!!!
December 27th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
DA and Knapp bootlickers are happy with the bromance they got goin on. Raiders fans think it smells like a sewer lagoon.
December 27th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
274.Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
270.eastoaklandraider Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Who was the coach when we were 8-2 and when we played the cowboys the game was billed as a SB preview, instead the cowboys tore a patch out our ass and we finished up at 8-8.
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Mike White?
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I believe so, and his ass was fired, cant see how DA gets another shot but all the losers before him were out, he’s the next all these guys Joe bugel,Mike White Art Shell,Lane Kiffin….
December 27th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Greg “The Fiscal Cliff OC” Knapp. Soon to be slumming for QB coach jobs again….
December 27th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
If Gregg Knapp is still employed at 1220 Harbourbay Parkway this time next week, I am going to, well, be REALLY upset!!!
December 27th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Some of you guys sound like a bunch of clowns. It might be time to turn off the internet, take a deep breath, and walk around the block or something.
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Just did. Feel better now. You think we need to keep Knapp?
December 27th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
280.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
LMAO at the thought that fans have to support every aspect of an organization.
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LOL
I think this is the first topic you and I ever “debated”.
How many years ago was that?
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I think I have been around here since 2006 or 2007…..I never would have guessed that the Raiders would still suck azz 5 years later…..I mean even a stopped clock is right twice a day…..which then leads me to the depressing thought of us arguing in here five years from now on the eve of 2018 and the Raiders still sucking azz…..
…..Happy New Year!
December 27th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
281.John David Booty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Who was the coach when we were 8-2 and when we played the cowboys the game was billed as a SB preview, instead the cowboys tore a patch out our ass and we finished up at 8-8.
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I believe you would be referring to a Mr. Mike White. AKA Hue Jackson 1.
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Mike White ran a WCO system, thats why he took over from Art Shell Part 1, because Shell and Walsh were getting Hostetler killed with the 7 step drops.
Hue ran a system similar to what Baltimore runs but with more downfield passing.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
281.John David Booty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Who was the coach when we were 8-2 and when we played the cowboys the game was billed as a SB preview, instead the cowboys tore a patch out our ass and we finished up at 8-8.
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I believe you would be referring to a Mr. Mike White. AKA Hue Jackson 1.
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Dont even get me started with Hue, he got a raw deal, just….dont leave it alone.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Any truth to the rumor Gruden is coming back?
December 27th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
What was Allen supposed to do about an offense that he prolly knows nothing about?
He was supposed to leave the 9th ranked offense alone,instead went to zonecocking scheme.Sealed our fate right there. DA get out!!
December 27th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
290.Dakota Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
280.J Hill Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
LMAO at the thought that fans have to support every aspect of an organization.
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LOL
I think this is the first topic you and I ever “debated”.
How many years ago was that?
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I think I have been around here since 2006 or 2007…..I never would have guessed that the Raiders would still suck azz 5 years later…..I mean even a stopped clock is right twice a day…..which then leads me to the depressing thought of us arguing in here five years from now on the eve of 2018 and the Raiders still sucking azz…..
…..Happy New Year!
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Lol….I know. Can you imagine having DA, Knapp, Hoffman and Tarver around for 4 more years?? Holy crap!
hahahaaaa…..God help us!
December 27th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
293.Rainy Cranium Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Any truth to the rumor Gruden is coming back?
++++++++++
Dick Morris is reporting it as a certainty.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Fire Knappy!!
December 27th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
JLofty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
If Gregg Knapp is still employed at 1220 Harbourbay Parkway this time next week, I am going to, well, be REALLY upset!!!
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Who cares? is this your Romper Room time?
December 27th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
I have a bad feeling there not going to fire knapp, but if they dont then everybody will lay off the koolaid next year except a few who want “continuity”
December 27th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
GRUEDOG comeing home!
December 27th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
If Greg Knapp was Dennis Allen’s 4th choice who were choices 1-3 and wtf didn’t Mark’s Hair cut the d@mn check that gets them in the building?!?
December 27th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Rainy Cranium Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Any truth to the rumor Gruden is coming back?
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Did you read what I said, bich?
Safeway encounters never lie.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
293.Rainy Cranium Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Any truth to the rumor Gruden is coming back?
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Yup, I saw him and his family at the supermarket this past weekend, Asked him if he’d come back to coach the Raiders and he said, “Anything you say mister, please, just don’t hurt my family”
I feel confident for 2013
December 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Hue laughing all the way to the playoffs.Will be a oc or hc next year.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Hahaha Kook. Whats the matter, wifey leave you at home whilst she goes on a business trip?
December 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Reg/Knapp/Da are here to stay.
Just heard it from my sources at HQ, who I also ran into at Safeway.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
After this season, I think Knapps name is pretty much dirt in NFL circles as far as coordinators go. This will without a doubt be his last OC gig at this level. If he’s lucky, he’ll be coaching at Sac State next season.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
JLofty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
If Gregg Knapp is still employed at 1220 Harbourbay Parkway this time next week, I am going to, well, be REALLY upset!!!
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Who cares? is this your Romper Room time?
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JLofty, I’m not you’re biggest fan, but that wasn’t me. It’s Alex7 posting as me.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
JLofty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Hahaha Kook. Whats the matter, wifey leave you at home whilst she goes on a business trip?
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Fuk you, bich.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
This season was proof positive that we need coaches who know football. Coaches who understand personel. The scheme has not worked offensively all season. Not one bit of it. Now is the time for a complete overhaul. Take out the garbage. Bring back Jon Gruden.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
308 is not me.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
309 is me.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Rainy Cranium Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Any truth to the rumor Gruden is coming back?
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Well some poster said he talked to Gruden today in Safeway and told him he is not coming back…
December 27th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
311. Are you telling me I can have a KoolKell name of my very own?
December 27th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Just ran into Reggie and DA at a local greasy spoon hole in the wall. You’d think they could afford better food. Anyway, I asked Reggie if Gruden was coming back, and he said maybe. That the ball was in his court. DA just stared at his eggs and hash browns. He looked pissed.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Let’s see.
1st koolkell post 3:05.
At 3:07 Koolkell then posts that the 3:05 post is not his.
So it’s true. You are cross posting. No way in hell that 3 days in a row you show up minutes after a post, saying it’s not you, unless you were here all along, under another name.
So, how many names you have, cross poster?
No wonder you accuse everyone of being a cross poster.
IT’S BECAUSE YOU ALSO DO IT, AND FIGURE EVERYONE IS.
LOSER.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
sO ALL THESE NEW NAMES, ALL THIS TIME, ARE KOOLKELL, CROSSPOSTING?
SAD.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
…..which then leads me to the depressing thought of us arguing in here five years from now on the eve of 2018 and the Raiders still sucking azz…..
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LMFAO
December 27th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
I have a bad feeling there not going to fire knapp, but if they dont then everybody will lay off the koolaid next year except a few who want “continuity”
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I can’t imagine Knapp being back. I just can’t see it.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Just ran into Reggie at Safeway. Asked him if Knapp was coming back. He said the grass isn’t always greener on the other side of the hill, but if you look real hard, sometimes the man in the moon is grinning. But even tho you can lead a horse to water, you cannot make him drink it. I know I’ve tried. No matter where the rainbow ends, there is not a pot of gold under it.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
281.John David Booty Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Who was the coach when we were 8-2 and when we played the cowboys the game was billed as a SB preview, instead the cowboys tore a patch out our ass and we finished up at 8-8.
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I believe you would be referring to a Mr. Mike White. AKA Hue Jackson 1.
^^^^^^^
Mike White ran a WCO system, thats why he took over from Art Shell Part 1, because Shell and Walsh were getting Hostetler killed with the 7 step drops.
Hue ran a system similar to what Baltimore runs but with more downfield passing.
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Maybe it’s not Knapp and his system, but it’s the QB and his limitations crewing this team over. Let’s get Knapp a new QB and see what happens.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Should we keep Knapp? Does Knapp deserve to be kept on? No.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
320.Reggies Butler Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Just ran into Reggie at Safeway. Asked him if Knapp was coming back. He said the grass isn’t always greener on the other side of the hill, but if you look real hard, sometimes the man in the moon is grinning. But even tho you can lead a horse to water, you cannot make him drink it. I know I’ve tried. No matter where the rainbow ends, there is not a pot of gold under it.
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LOL, nice try but a little too coherent to be a Reggie Quote
December 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Fellow semi-pros, I present to you Greg Knapp, Super Genius!
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Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Asked OC Greg Knapp why he hasn’t used Terrelle Pryor more in red zone, given team’s struggles there …
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Knapp: “We haven’t developed as big a red zone package as we would have liked. We’ve been focused on 3rd downs and getting to the red zone.”
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Mesnsa candidate?…..
December 27th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
What was Allen supposed to do about an offense that he prolly knows nothing about?
He was supposed to leave the 9th ranked offense alone,instead went to zonecocking scheme.Sealed our fate right there. DA get out!!
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He is responsible for hiring Knapp, I agree. But the point is that he is making progress with the stuff he didn’t turn over to Knapp.
As a HC with defensive training ONLY, Allen trusted Knapp with the entire offense. Thus the responsibility lies mostly at Knapps feet. Thats how business hierarchy works.
Now if Knapp retains his job and we are the 29th ranked running attack again next year… the responsibility shifts to Allen. He has a chance to make changes this off-season, and from reading most Raider forums, that is what is EXPECTED.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
324.909RaiderLifer Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Fellow semi-pros, I present to you Greg Knapp, Super Genius!
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Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Asked OC Greg Knapp why he hasn’t used Terrelle Pryor more in red zone, given team’s struggles there …
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1h
Knapp: “We haven’t developed as big a red zone package as we would have liked. We’ve been focused on 3rd downs and getting to the red zone.”
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Mesnsa candidate?…..
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FML
December 27th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Stop blaming Knapp.We knew what he was.Start blaming the jackass who hired him,and the jackass who hired that jackass.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Knapp: “We haven’t developed as big a red zone package as we would have liked. We’ve been focused on 3rd downs and getting to the red zone.
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Please tell me someone is just messing with us.
This is not an actual quote is it? If so, he should be fired as soon as the final whistle Sunday.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
I ran into Jon Gruden in the Kowloon section of Hong Kong, and he said “Ni Hao!”
December 27th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
I ran into Gruden at the bar.He said” the dumbest fans in the world are on this blog.”
December 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
John David Booty foolishly replied to:
[...]
Either way, most here are judging the effectiveness of the line by the running game success. And the facts show that the running game was just fine with RBs in there that actually were on the same page with the system they were blocking in. So who really regressed here?
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When McFadden is in the game, teams focus on stopping him WAY more than they do if another RB is in. There is absolutely no denying that. I think its WAY more likely for an offensive line as a unit, who is being taught a different scheme, by bad coaches who cant implement well in Pollack and Knapp, along with players like Cooper Carlisle and Wiz playing out of position, to be accused of regression over 1 RB, who many believed was #2 in the league behind Peterson before the season started.
If people around here want to convince themselves that Mike Goodson is as good or a better player than DMac, cool. Whatever. I disagree 200%. Like Ive said a million times, Im sure Bill Belichick would have no problem knowing how to use DMac.
Knapp , Pollack, our line, and McFadden are easy for teams to game plan against. If all of you are so convinced McFadden regressed, we’ll see what happens when he goes elsewhere, and plays for competent coaches and game planners.
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Oh, that makes total sense! So the other teams only actually tried to stop the run when DMac was back there, but they didn’t really care when someone else was in the backfield. They were perfectly happy to give up 4.9 yards per rush attempt when it wasn’t DMac, based on his Raiders blog reputation.
I guess that just shows how brilliant the Raiders coaching staff actually is then, because they gave about 40% of the carries to the other guys. It was the perfect counter to get the other teams to stop worrying about the run.
Mike Goodson is actually as good or better of a RB in the Raiders system. He has the stats to prove it. Unfortunately, he seems to also be equally as fragile. Still, he costs less than 10% of DMac this season. So for your money, you’re getting 10 times the player. In fact, Goodson, Reece AND Stewart — all players that did better in this system (thanks to the other teams not paying attention to them) combined cost less than 20% of DMac’s cap hit this season.
DMac can only effectively run behind gaping holes where he can use his sprinter speed to try to outrun safeties. That spells for a limited career in the NFL. He is a decent blocker as a RB, which I’ll give him the edge over all the other backs on the Raiders, and used to be a better receiver until he got a serious case of the dropsies this season. And then of course you only get 8-10 games a season out of a guy that is the third most expensive player on the team. He not only regressed more than most, but he and Seymour together are easily the worst bang for the buck players on the roster.
Oh wait, DMac is worth all that money because his presence means the other teams don’t try to stop the run when he’s not on the field. So in reality he’s a real expensive decoy. Brilliant!
December 27th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Lesson #1 Mark. Never hire a guy who’s bottom lip is bigger than his head.Gauranteed to be a retard.
December 27th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
I ran into Reggie on a recent camping trip,I asked what the hell is wrong with your bottom lip? He said GOONY GOO GOO!
December 27th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Code black