Looks like Bergstrom, Ross to start
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, December 28th, 2012 at 11:53 am in Oakland Raiders.
With Mike Brisiel a spectator at practice and Phillip Adams not present at practice Friday, it appears rookie third-round pick Tony Bergstrom will open at right guard and Brandian Ross at cornerback against the San Diego Chargers.
Strong safety Tyvon Branch was on the field, as he has been the previous two Fridays, when he managed to get on the field to face the Chiefs and Panthers. Branch did not finish the game against Carolina, giving way to Mike Mitchell.
Quarterback Carson Palmer, who is not expected to make the trip, was a spectator for the first time since getting knocked out of the Carolina game with a bruised lung and cracked ribs. Palmer is not expected to make the trip.
As warm-ups and drills came to a close, Terrelle Pryor was taking snaps with the first team offense. Coach Dennis Allen may or may not declare a starter when he meets the media following practice Friday.
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December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Play all the backups.
Let’s see who want’s to be a Raider next year.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 am
In that Pitt game, Vick fumbled three times, lost two of them, one at the 2 yard line stalling a great McCoy drive, another inside the 30 yard line setting up a Pitt TD.
Debo, didn’t you tell us to watch the games a few hours ago?
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Cutting/trading Palmer for Vick, Flynn, Fitzpatrick?
Are you guys high?
Let’s see what Pryor can do. If he lights it up, he and CP can go at it for starter next year in camp. Otherwise, expect to see CP penciled in as starter the second the clock hits 0.00 this Sunday.
Palmer put up 4000 yards, 22TD 14INT in a KNAPP offense with slackers like Moore at the very limited DHB at WR with virtually 0 running game and a below average O Line.
That’s like 6000 yards and 40TDs anywhere else.
I’m not saying he’s great but he’s better than the scrap heap you guys are digging up.
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Co-sign.
But, clearly, there is nothing “common” about sense.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:56 am
If Reid gets fired and according to “Rumors” they hire Chip Kelly then there is a good chance Vick stays. He will have to restructure his contract.
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Chip Kelly isn’t taking his first NFL gig and saddling himself with an aging, injury-prone, turnover machine at QB.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:57 am
TP getting the first team reps at the start of practice. Good!!
Doesn’t sound very conspiracy theorish to me though.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:57 am
it appears rookie third-round pick Tony Bergstrom will open at right guard
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I hope Reggie watches this carefully. If the late 3rd round pick is no drop off from a $20M guy, maybe you should spend a bit more money on those computers.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Then again, he did draft Bergstrom, so I digress.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:58 am
The Palmer bashing is too much……
See Matt Cassel starting for New England
See Matt Cassel Starting for Kansas City
Palmer is a BUST?……….The FUC*IN TEAM was a bust. C’mon man… Get off it already.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:58 am
missdick the black nazi. funny how he doesn’t see his own dumb hypocrisy. calling everyone white supremacists, while he throws out nazi terms like “wave of the future”.
he’s the most pathetic little man on the blog.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:59 am
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:56 am
The Eagles “Vick” situation should have played out the same way with the Raiders. Palmer should have been benched weeks ago and they should of let TP take over just like Foles. I would guess TP would have done pretty good and people would be talking about Palmer getting cut now.
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u mean like foles did so well? why would a team replace the #18 passer of all time with an unknown who can’t pass the ball?
December 28th, 2012 at 11:59 am
here’s a fun fact: doesn’t matter what happens sunday. palmer is our starting qb next season and there is no competition whatsoever. and good thing too. he’s our best player and a good qb. we can’t do any better. pryor will be lucky if he is even a qb by next season.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Cutting/trading Palmer for Vick, Flynn, Fitzpatrick?
Are you guys high?
Let’s see what Pryor can do. If he lights it up, he and CP can go at it for starter next year in camp. Otherwise, expect to see CP penciled in as starter the second the clock hits 0.00 this Sunday.
Palmer put up 4000 yards, 22TD 14INT in a KNAPP offense with slackers like Moore at the very limited DHB at WR with virtually 0 running game and a below average O Line.
That’s like 6000 yards and 40TDs anywhere else.
I’m not saying he’s great but he’s better than the scrap heap you guys are digging up.
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Co-sign.
But, clearly, there is nothing “common” about sense.
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Yes!
Let’s not beat the QB horse anymore, there are other pressing needs on this team.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Didn’t Matt Cassell take KC to the playoffs, make the Pro Bowl and finish in the top 5 in QBR in 2010? (Answer:yes)
Bad analogy.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Palmer is under contract and had 4000+ yards in 14.25 games.
He’ll restructure. No doubt in my mind.
If TP beats him out, he’ll get traded.
That being said, TP6 would need a HUGE performance on Sunday and that’s only IF they start him.
I say why not?
Starting Lienart gives you absolutely nothing. The very definition of going through the motions.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
i hope when leinart starts on sunday and pyor gets about two series, missdick sh!ts himself. i mean seriously sh!ts his pants.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
there is literally no chance in this world that pryor would beat our palmer. the kid is actually just trying to show he can be a qb at all.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Didn’t Matt Cassell take KC to the playoffs, make the Pro Bowl and finish in the top 5 in QBR in 2010? (Answer:yes)
Bad analogy.
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Yeah, I forgot about that but, that wasn’t exactly my point. Good guys look bad on bad teams usually, and a not so great guy looks good on a good team.
Rex Grossman for example….Not that great, but went to a Superbowl with Chicago.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Didn’t Matt Cassell take KC to the playoffs, make the Pro Bowl and finish in the top 5 in QBR in 2010? (Answer:yes)
Bad analogy.
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Yeah, but even at that, I never thought Cassell looked good in a KC uniform. In 2010, didn’t we absolutely terrorize him in the season finale?
Cassell sucks.
Every time I’ve watched a KC-Oak game with hi under center, I’m confident whoever we trot out there, he’s better than Matt.
He had two crappy INTs in the Carson debut game too. And got benched for Brady Quinn…
I HOPE AND PRAY KC gets a D Lineman in the draft and keep Cassell.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Disagree that no matter what Carson Palmer is the QB next year.
Last two full seasons he went 4-12. Bengals put in a rookie (a really good one but still a rookie) and made their first back-to-back playoff appearances in 30 years.
Carson held back the Bengals, and is holding us back now.
Back to the couch for that loser!!!
December 28th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
I’m also pretty sure Palmers int’s drop from 14 to 12 or 11 and his overall TD’s go up a few with a running game and WR’s who can catch.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
In 2010, didn’t we absolutely terrorize him in the season finale?
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Bring back Cable and Marshall!!!!
It has been all down-hill (or is it up-hill;never sure with those) since that game.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
17.theghostronin79 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Didn’t Matt Cassell take KC to the playoffs, make the Pro Bowl and finish in the top 5 in QBR in 2010? (Answer:yes)
Bad analogy.
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Yeah, I forgot about that but, that wasn’t exactly my point. Good guys look bad on bad teams usually, and a not so great guy looks good on a good team.
Rex Grossman for example….Not that great, but went to a Superbowl with Chicago.
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Or Kyle Orton, looked good on the bears, then sucked, looked good on the Broncos and then sucked…crazy.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Raiders will NEVER win with Palmer. It’s time to move on.
He needs a major pay cut or just cut him.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
I love the excuse of Reggie having “the worst” situation to deal with.
Too bad Al died, because I feel confident that he would have managed the cap issue MUCH better than McKenzie did. Al always managed, every year, to massage the cap. He was a master at it. Al very rarely did not get players that he wanted. Whether we liked those players or not, he still got HIS players.
We had 2 straight 8-8 seasons that we were building off of. A coach that started as our OC and worked his way to being PROMOTED to HC, based on the improvements he made with our offense. That coach took us to 7-4, and first place in the division. Our owner/GM/Assistant DC dies mid season, our starting RB and QB go down, we get a new QB off the couch, and end up 8-8. Things ended sour, but we still had a good system in place to build off of.
Reggie disagrees, guts the whole staff, and picks “his guy” to take things over. They came here talking playoffs and fighting for the division, not in 3-5 years, but THIS YEAR. They didnt start that “woe is me, I wouldnt wish this on my worst enemy” BS until AFTER we all had to bear witness to the disaster that McKenzie created when he decided to scrap the rebuilding phase we were ALREADY IN.
Dennis & Reggie, 4-12.
My question is, if we could turn back the clock, and instead of Reggie/DA in 2012, we still had Davis/Jackson, would we still be 4-12?
December 28th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
there are so many posters here who know nothing about football. don’t know a good qb when u see him. clueless really. DA has SAID palmer is our qb next year. get used to it losers.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
@Just Fire Baby
What do you think about Dwayne Bowe?
Or Mike Wallace? Really couldn’t understand why a team like the 9ers wouldn’t sign Wallace for their 1st round pick? Seems safer…I know I probably will get blasted for this.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Oh and A lot of those Palmer “stats” always seem to come at the end of games when it’s already over. Notice that? He’s great at patting stats.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
missdick always announces when he’s “out” and suddenly a bunch of like-minded palmer haters show up. pathetic. missdick, u tool. w all know ur still here. u dummy.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:47 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Yeah all the Eagles O line starters got hurt and they were having Vick throw 50+ a game.
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How did he do?
Palmer put up great numbers under similar circumstances. Wasn’t benched for a mid round rookie either.
Palmer will restructure and be our QB next year.
You guys are on Fantasy Island for real today.
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Palmer still had a “starting” O line. Big difference. That Foles kid is not that good. They did go 1-5 with him.
There is a good chance Vick stays with the Eagles.
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People railing on our pass protection are living on “Fantasy Island”. That’s one thing you have to give Knapp. By moving the pocket around, Palmer has had all day to throw on numerous occasions. Comparing our OL to Philly’s is madness! THREE starters lost to injury by game 6! And one of those losses was arguably the best LT in the game BEFORE the season! He was replaced by Foles due to the concussion he got against Dallas. No big deal. Just happened here in Oakland on a play where Palmer clearly held the ball too long. Kind of like Foles though. Have a hard time understanding how he could have gone after Locker, Gabbert and Dalton.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Raiders will never win with an atrocious defense, bad special teams, wr’s that can’t catch and Knapp as O.C.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
we still had Davis/Jackson, would we still be 4-12?
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For continuity sake, I would say 6-10.
And in a world of hurt again for 2013 cap wise, relegated to only re-signing our own players and not being a mover in the FA market.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Oh and A lot of those Palmer “stats” always seem to come at the end of games when it’s already over. Notice that? He’s great at patting stats.
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yes. good qb’s are good at “passing stats”. duh. u know, like when a bad team is trying to come back. qb’s putting up good stats means they’re a bad qb on this blog. hilarious.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
What do you think about Dwayne Bowe?
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What’s Dwayne Bowe’s big NFL moment? I can’t name it.
Seems he drops some crucial balls, and doesn’t make the crucial plays.
I would take him here, but would be cautious with the contract, which I am sure one team won’t, so he probably won’t be coming here.
Mike Wallace…….well Al would love him!!!!
December 28th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
anyone who watches palmer play and doesn’t realize he’s good knows so little about football, that they’re laughable.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
missdick always announces when he’s “out” and suddenly a bunch of like-minded palmer haters show up. pathetic. missdick, u tool. w all know ur still here. u dummy.
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You trolls get sooooooooooooo obsessed with people.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Oh and A lot of those Palmer “stats” always seem to come at the end of games when it’s already over. Notice that? He’s great at patting stats.
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yes. good qb’s are good at “passing stats”. duh. u know, like when a bad team is trying to come back. qb’s putting up good stats means they’re a bad qb on this blog. hilarious.
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Yeah great at patting stats not good at winning. Palmer is not a winner.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Have a hard time understanding how he could have gone after Locker, Gabbert and Dalton.
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Andy Dalton = best QB of the 2011 draft class
Back-to-back playoffs for the Bengals, first time in 30 years for them, and in one of the toughest, phsyical divisions in the game.
Kids a winner.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:59 am
here’s a fun fact: doesn’t matter what happens sunday. palmer is our starting qb next season and there is no competition whatsoever. and good thing too. he’s our best player and a good qb. we can’t do any better. pryor will be lucky if he is even a qb by next season.
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This assumes that he is willing to restructure in a way friendly to the Raiders. He already did this season to defer money to future years. I don’t see him giving any of the money up, so it would mean pushing it out even further. Get his cap hit down to the 5-6M range in 2013 and maybe 2014 but then there’s going to be a major acceleration hit if they want to cut their ties after that.
Or I guess there’s the off chance that he would just give up future money if he really likes his situation here. But I bet the house that if he does that type of deal it will definitely include a no trade clause.
Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely want him starting at least the next two seasons. I don’t see any better options out there available as trade or FA, and clearly the long term option past Palmer doesn’t exist on the roster. If they do get a new deal done, then I can see them drop a 3rd or 4th pick on the guy that they want to develop for the 2015 time frame.
Of course near the end of 2013, there’s going to be all this clamor for why that guy isn’t starting in the last 5 games of the season
Especially so he can build chemistry with the new WR project wearing #7.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
What do you think about Dwayne Bowe?
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What’s Dwayne Bowe’s big NFL moment? I can’t name it.
Seems he drops some crucial balls, and doesn’t make the crucial plays.
I would take him here, but would be cautious with the contract, which I am sure one team won’t, so he probably won’t be coming here.
Mike Wallace…….well Al would love him!!!!
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what’s bowe’s big moment? how about 15 td’s a couple years back?
December 28th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
missdick always announces when he’s “out” and suddenly a bunch of like-minded palmer haters show up. pathetic. missdick, u tool. w all know ur still here. u dummy.
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You trolls get sooooooooooooo obsessed with people.
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quit obsessing about me kell.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Have a hard time understanding how he could have gone after Locker, Gabbert and Dalton.
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Andy Dalton = best QB of the 2011 draft class
Back-to-back playoffs for the Bengals, first time in 30 years for them, and in one of the toughest, phsyical divisions in the game.
Kids a winner.
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I like Dalton to, but I’m not sold on him being all that. He’s solid, but really, what is he without AJ Green and a very good oline?
December 28th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Oh and A lot of those Palmer “stats” always seem to come at the end of games when it’s already over. Notice that? He’s great at patting stats.
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yes. good qb’s are good at “passing stats”. duh. u know, like when a bad team is trying to come back. qb’s putting up good stats means they’re a bad qb on this blog. hilarious.
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Yeah great at patting stats not good at winning. Palmer is not a winner.
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teams win and lose games. qb’s pass the ball. if u don’t understand this, then u need to get “football for dummies” and have someone read it to u.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
anyone who watches palmer play and doesn’t realize he’s good knows so little about football, that they’re laughable.
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Yep. That’s why I come here and stir the pot for the lemmings. It’s real cheap entertainment and they react so predictibly to annoying things to them like facts.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Oh and A lot of those Palmer “stats” always seem to come at the end of games when it’s already over. Notice that? He’s great at patting stats.
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yes. good qb’s are good at “passing stats”. duh. u know, like when a bad team is trying to come back. qb’s putting up good stats means they’re a bad qb on this blog. hilarious.
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Yeah great at patting stats not good at winning. Palmer is not a winner.
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teams win and lose games. qb’s pass the ball. if u don’t understand this, then u need to get “football for dummies” and have someone read it to
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GOOD QB’S WIN! What don’t you understand? Palmer is not a winner.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
u are all loser fans. fans of the patriots are winner fans. we need to trade u for them.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Disagree that no matter what Carson Palmer is the QB next year.
Last two full seasons he went 4-12. Bengals put in a rookie (a really good one but still a rookie) and made their first back-to-back playoff appearances in 30 years.
Carson held back the Bengals, and is holding us back now.
Back to the couch for that loser!!!
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Revisionist history.
Throughout the 90’s the Bengals are one of the worst franchises in the NFL. Bad decisions, poor drafts, bad coaching, bad players. They end up with Carson Palmer, #1, BECAUSE of how terrible they had been the year before.
They go 8-8 his 1st season as starter.
They go 11-5 his 2nd season as starter, 1st place in AFC North. He throws for 3800 yards, 32 TDs and a 67% completion rating. In his SECOND SEASON STARTING. Hardly small potatoes. He is then injured by PITT in the playoffs, on a play where I feel von Oelhoffen made a dirty hit to Palmers knee, but thats another story. Bottom line is, trying to make it like he held the Bengals back is complete nonsense. The team starting breaking apart after that, and it is WELL documented fact that owner Mike Brown was NOT willing to spend money to make the team any better. Not to mention the circus that playing with Ocho Cinco at that time had become.
Dalton has done what has been asked, but he is NOT the reason the Bengals have turned around. Its been their drafting and the team they have put together the last few seasons. Last I checked, Dalton didnt play defense. It also helps having a mean O-line like CIN, as well as one of the best young WRs in the league in AJ Green. I think its safe to say that if you put Palmer on THIS Bengals team, he could do what Dalton is being asked to do, and MUCH more.
Just wanted to clear up the historical aspect here, to paint an accurate picture.
Carry on.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 am
In that Pitt game, Vick fumbled three times, lost two of them, one at the 2 yard line stalling a great McCoy drive, another inside the 30 yard line setting up a Pitt TD.
Debo, didn’t you tell us to watch the games a few hours ago?
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On the 2-yd line, he was the primary ball carrier with two arms wrapped around the ball. He took a big hit by one of the hardest hitters in the league (Ryan Clark) and it came out. Sucks, but the score was 0-0 in the 1st qtr and Pitt ended up punting it back to the Eagles. On the second one, the dude was overwhelmed by pressure and fumbled on a blind-sided hit. At the end of the day, he got the ball at the beginning of the 4th qtr with a chance to take the lead and he delivered. I don’t kill QBs for fumbles when they’re getting killed by pressure. They’re prone to them because they’re trying to make plays downfield. It happens to every QB in the league.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Oh and A lot of those Palmer “stats” always seem to come at the end of games when it’s already over. Notice that? He’s great at patting stats.
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yes. good qb’s are good at “passing stats”. duh. u know, like when a bad team is trying to come back. qb’s putting up good stats means they’re a bad qb on this blog. hilarious.
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Yeah great at patting stats not good at winning. Palmer is not a winner.
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teams win and lose games. qb’s pass the ball. if u don’t understand this, then u need to get “football for dummies” and have someone read it to
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GOOD QB’S WIN! What don’t you understand? Palmer is not a winner.
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qb’s are one guy of 53. he plays for a bad TEAM. guys like u don’t understand the game very well, so u need to look at the qb. it’s the easiest thing to do and all u know how to do.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:13 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Vick: 56+ CMP %, 81 INTs, and 85 fumbles.
CP: 62+ CMP %, 130 INTs, and 37 fumbles.
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Please add rushing stats, victories and playoff victories please. Thank you.
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I couldn’t find that stat (espn and NFL.com) without adding adding wins/ losses from every season.
Can you please post these stats. I’m Intetested in the results.@
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He’s rushed for 5,526 yards in his career and has scored 34 rushing TDs. For his career, he’s averaged 7.2 yds per carry!! The guy has taken TWO teams to the playoffs! Obviously, Palmer hasn’t, even though we gave up a king’s ransom for him to do just that. We’d be very lucky to get Vick here.
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Wins and losses?
Can you please post their total wins/ losses?
December 28th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Disagree that no matter what Carson Palmer is the QB next year.
Last two full seasons he went 4-12. Bengals put in a rookie (a really good one but still a rookie) and made their first back-to-back playoff appearances in 30 years.
Carson held back the Bengals, and is holding us back now.
Back to the couch for that loser!!!
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Revisionist history.
Throughout the 90’s the Bengals are one of the worst franchises in the NFL. Bad decisions, poor drafts, bad coaching, bad players. They end up with Carson Palmer, #1, BECAUSE of how terrible they had been the year before.
They go 8-8 his 1st season as starter.
They go 11-5 his 2nd season as starter, 1st place in AFC North. He throws for 3800 yards, 32 TDs and a 67% completion rating. In his SECOND SEASON STARTING. Hardly small potatoes. He is then injured by PITT in the playoffs, on a play where I feel von Oelhoffen made a dirty hit to Palmers knee, but thats another story. Bottom line is, trying to make it like he held the Bengals back is complete nonsense. The team starting breaking apart after that, and it is WELL documented fact that owner Mike Brown was NOT willing to spend money to make the team any better. Not to mention the circus that playing with Ocho Cinco at that time had become.
Dalton has done what has been asked, but he is NOT the reason the Bengals have turned around. Its been their drafting and the team they have put together the last few seasons. Last I checked, Dalton didnt play defense. It also helps having a mean O-line like CIN, as well as one of the best young WRs in the league in AJ Green. I think its safe to say that if you put Palmer on THIS Bengals team, he could do what Dalton is being asked to do, and MUCH more.
Just wanted to clear up the historical aspect here, to paint an accurate picture.
Carry on.
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ur just gonna confuse them.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I like Dalton to, but I’m not sold on him being all that. He’s solid, but really, what is he without AJ Green and a very good oline?
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Dalton and Green make the O-line “good”.
Wasn’t all that good before they got there.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:13 am
RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Vick: 56+ CMP %, 81 INTs, and 85 fumbles.
CP: 62+ CMP %, 130 INTs, and 37 fumbles.
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Please add rushing stats, victories and playoff victories please. Thank you.
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I couldn’t find that stat (espn and NFL.com) without adding adding wins/ losses from every season.
Can you please post these stats. I’m Intetested in the results.@
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He’s rushed for 5,526 yards in his career and has scored 34 rushing TDs. For his career, he’s averaged 7.2 yds per carry!! The guy has taken TWO teams to the playoffs! Obviously, Palmer hasn’t, even though we gave up a king’s ransom for him to do just that. We’d be very lucky to get Vick here.
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Wins and losses?
Can you please post their total wins/ losses?
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they’re not starting pitchers dummy.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I like Dalton to, but I’m not sold on him being all that. He’s solid, but really, what is he without AJ Green and a very good oline?
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Dalton and Green make the O-line “good”.
Wasn’t all that good before they got there.
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aj green makes dalton good.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
it’s like a remedial math class in here sometimes.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
It happens to every QB in the league.
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It happens to Mike Vick MORE THAN EVERY OTHER QB in the league.
He fumbled on 1st and goal from the 2 yard line!!!! No excuses, that is horrible football.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Dr_Robert lol Go get em!
December 28th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
I see the racist Dr. Nob is trolling again.
Tsk tsk tsk……. Obsessed with other males (Debo, Mistic, and BHP)
Pathetic.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Have a hard time understanding how he could have gone after Locker, Gabbert and Dalton.
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Andy Dalton = best QB of the 2011 draft class
Back-to-back playoffs for the Bengals, first time in 30 years for them, and in one of the toughest, phsyical divisions in the game.
Kids a winner.
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I like Dalton to, but I’m not sold on him being all that. He’s solid, but really, what is he without AJ Green and a very good oline?
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Dalton is a clearly overmatched player with an awesome team around him. As long as he doesn’t get in the way, the Bengals will out talent you. That team is a stud QB away from being real contenders for the SB. All the more reason why I don’t get Palmer quitting on them.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
They go 8-8 his 1st season as starter.
They go 11-5 his 2nd season as starter, 1st place in AFC North.
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Dude that was almost 10 years ago.
I would love to have a 25 year old, fresh kneecapped Carson Palmer, but we don’t.
We have the aging, arm fatigued, no kneecapped version.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
we still had Davis/Jackson, would we still be 4-12?
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For continuity sake, I would say 6-10.
And in a world of hurt again for 2013 cap wise, relegated to only re-signing our own players and not being a mover in the FA market.
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So, to you, Hue having a full training camp with Carson Palmer and D-Mac, to implement HIS offense, as well as picking another DC to replace Bresnehan, would only be worth 2 wins of improvement over Knapps offense? OK.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I like Dalton to, but I’m not sold on him being all that. He’s solid, but really, what is he without AJ Green and a very good oline?
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Dalton and Green make the O-line “good”.
Wasn’t all that good before they got there.
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B.S. if it wasn’t! I’d take Whitworth and Andre Smith as my bookends any day of the week.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
759.DennisAllensVisor Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:54 am
If you tell me we wil suck next year, but end up with Clowney in the draft, I will be totally happy.
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Are you telling me that after I find out that the entire coaching staff is returning in 2013, and that we are keeping the ZBS, and that were are destine to have the #1 pick in the 2014 draft…..THAT THERE STILL IS NO FRANCHISE QB TO LOOK FORWARD TOO IN THE DRAFT?
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December 28th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Pryor to start Sunday.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
OAKLAND RAIDERS @RAIDERS 2m
Head Coach Dennis Allen names @TerrellePryor starting QB for Sunday.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I’m trying to talk calculus and some of these yahoos are making fart noises and having a hard time with simple division.
I guess I should show them the way to shop class and accept some guys aren’t doctors, they’re janitors.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
63.RaidingTexas Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Pryor to start Sunday.
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Don’t do that without a LINK, Tex!!
December 28th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
COOL.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Legacy game for Pryor lol
December 28th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
957 the game reporting Pryor will start. Good luck TP!
December 28th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
LA it’s here:
https://twitter.com/RAIDERS
December 28th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
It happens to every QB in the league.
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It happens to Mike Vick MORE THAN EVERY OTHER QB in the league.
He fumbled on 1st and goal from the 2 yard line!!!! No excuses, that is horrible football.
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He’s also outrushed and scored more rushing TDs than every other QB in the league. Guys take big hits and fumble all the time. That’s football. He didn’t fold up his tent and put Philly up on the road with 6 minutes left in the game. I tip my cap to him.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Oh and A lot of those Palmer “stats” always seem to come at the end of games when it’s already over. Notice that? He’s great at patting stats.
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yes. good qb’s are good at “passing stats”. duh. u know, like when a bad team is trying to come back. qb’s putting up good stats means they’re a bad qb on this blog. hilarious.
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Yeah great at patting stats not good at winning. Palmer is not a winner.
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teams win and lose games. qb’s pass the ball. if u don’t understand this, then u need to get “football for dummies” and have someone read it to
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GOOD QB’S WIN! What don’t you understand? Palmer is not a winner.
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qb’s are one guy of 53. he plays for a bad TEAM. guys like u don’t understand the game very well, so u need to look at the qb. it’s the easiest thing to do and all u know how to do.
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Look at all the recent “Good” QB’s. You can go back as far as you want but good QB’s find a way to win. It’s that simple. I think guys like Matt Ryan are a little over rated but he wins. Can you even name any considered “Good” or elite QB’s in Palmer’s era who have not been apart of winning teams? No not really. Palmer had one 11-5 season with the Bengals and that was it. He is not a winner.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Lol Miami. Legacy game. An all time missdick classic.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Conspiracy theory!!!!
I am sure DA is hoping he fails right so he “doesn’t look bad” by not playing him earlier in the year?
Oh that tricky “Double Agent”!!!!!
Fools……………..
December 28th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
I really hope Pryor gives us something to look forward to in 2013. I’m keeping expectations low since he’s only been in a handful of NFL snaps, but hoping he surprises us.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Sunday’s game just became must-see TV!
December 28th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
They go 8-8 his 1st season as starter.
They go 11-5 his 2nd season as starter, 1st place in AFC North.
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Dude that was almost 10 years ago.
I would love to have a 25 year old, fresh kneecapped Carson Palmer, but we don’t.
We have the aging, arm fatigued, no kneecapped version.
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My post was a rebuttal to you saying that CP was holding the Bengals back. It was false. I think we all would rather have 25 year old CP. Thats not what I was saying. I was laying out how the Bengals had been a bad franchise for a decade and that Carson Palmer was a big part in them turning that around, as opposed to “holding them back” or making them worse.
Bengals have been one of the better drafting teams in the league over the past few seasons, and its shown. They have players all over the field, ESPECIALLY on D. Dalton is pretty good, havent seen anything special, but hes been solid. But he came into a WAY better situation than the one CP came into when he started out, and he hasnt looked anything close to as good as THAT Carson Palmer. Bengals have a good, upcoming TEAM. Dalton is doing what hes asked, but lets not make it seem like hes played “better” than Carson ever did, and that CP was what was holding the Bengals back, because its simply untrue.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Palmer=18th best passer of all time. Deal with it.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Guys take big hits and fumble all the time.
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Yes, but nobody fumbles as much as Vick, that’s what’s not sinking in to you.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Oh I think Pryor will “surprise” a lot of people here just not the ones u think and not in the way they think.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
I was laying out how the Bengals had been a bad franchise for a decade and that Carson Palmer was a big part in them turning that around, as opposed to “holding them back” or making them worse.
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Yes, for awhile CP turned them around, absolutely.
Then he got old, regressed, and they replaced him with a rookie and instantly got better.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
“Raiders name Terrelle Pryor starting quarterback for season finale”
Damn right
December 28th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I like Dalton to, but I’m not sold on him being all that. He’s solid, but really, what is he without AJ Green and a very good oline?
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Dalton and Green make the O-line “good”.
Wasn’t all that good before they got there.
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B.S. if it wasn’t! I’d take Whitworth and Andre Smith as my bookends any day of the week.
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+1.
I’m Really gonna have to stop arguing with a lot of guys in here, when its clear that they dont actually WATCH football. Bengals O-line performs EVERY week. Just wow at Dalton making the Bengals line look good.
People, football is a fun sport to watch. You should try watching some games. Take my word for it. I think youll enjoy it.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
RaidO Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Oh and A lot of those Palmer “stats” always seem to come at the end of games when it’s already over. Notice that? He’s great at patting stats.
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yes. good qb’s are good at “passing stats”. duh. u know, like when a bad team is trying to come back. qb’s putting up good stats means they’re a bad qb on this blog. hilarious.
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Yeah great at patting stats not good at winning. Palmer is not a winner.
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teams win and lose games. qb’s pass the ball. if u don’t understand this, then u need to get “football for dummies” and have someone read it to
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GOOD QB’S WIN! What don’t you understand? Palmer is not a winner.
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That explains a lot then. Trent Dilfer should be in the Hall of Fame as what is unarguably a classification as a GOOD QB.
Dan Fouts clearly could not have been good, despite the fact that he was the most prolific passer of his era. He just didn’t get it done on defense, so he could not have been good.
Myopia strikes again.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
This was Mark Davis’s call all the way – Knapp has to be pissed – Leinart his boy – and this tells me Knapp’s gone for sure.. And Dennis Allen is on notice.
TP better play the entire game.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Oh I think Pryor will “surprise” a lot of people here just not the ones u think and not in the way they think.
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Regardless, he’s a Raider and I want him to succeed. I don’t care about any of the “wave of the future” and the anti-”wave of the future” crap that goes on here. I have no agenda other than I want all Raiders players to play good football.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Raiders name Terrelle Pryor starting quarterback for season finale
“The Oakland Raiders will start quarterback Terrelle Pryor for the team’s season finale against the San Diego Chargers, Raiders head coach Dennis Allen announced Friday.
Pryor gets the start over backup Matt Leinart who struggled in the team’s 17-6 loss to the Carolina Panthers last Sunday. Leinart completed 16-of-32 passes for 115 yards and one interception.
Pryor has only attempted two passes this season, completing one and has one rushing attempt for two yards.”
December 28th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
76.RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Sunday’s game just became must-see TV!
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Probably for the first two offensive series, and then people will be like….”Oh, so that’s why he never got to play! Boy, I hope those Carson Palmer retirement rumors are false!”
December 28th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I like Dalton to, but I’m not sold on him being all that. He’s solid, but really, what is he without AJ Green and a very good oline?
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Dalton and Green make the O-line “good”.
Wasn’t all that good before they got there.
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B.S. if it wasn’t! I’d take Whitworth and Andre Smith as my bookends any day of the week.
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+1.
I’m Really gonna have to stop arguing with a lot of guys in here, when its clear that they dont actually WATCH football. Bengals O-line performs EVERY week. Just wow at Dalton making the Bengals line look good.
People, football is a fun sport to watch. You should try watching some games. Take my word for it. I think youll enjoy it.
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Well said.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I like Dalton to, but I’m not sold on him being all that. He’s solid, but really, what is he without AJ Green and a very good oline?
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Dalton and Green make the O-line “good”.
Wasn’t all that good before they got there.
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B.S. if it wasn’t! I’d take Whitworth and Andre Smith as my bookends any day of the week.
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+1.
I’m Really gonna have to stop arguing with a lot of guys in here, when its clear that they dont actually WATCH football. Bengals O-line performs EVERY week. Just wow at Dalton making the Bengals line look good.
People, football is a fun sport to watch. You should try watching some games. Take my word for it. I think youll enjoy it.
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Yeah, I’m sure Cedric Benson really hated that pathetic O line last few years when he had the best 3 seasons of his career running behind those bums.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Yes sir, I hope Pryor does great because what else would you want from a player that is an Oakland Raider?
December 28th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
76.RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Sunday’s game just became must-see TV!
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Probably for the first two offensive series, and then people will be like….”Oh, so that’s why he never got to play! Boy, I hope those Carson Palmer retirement rumors are false!”
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That’s what money says will happen. After he runs through the 4 or 5 plays he’s mastered and can mostly remember, then what’s he going to do? Drop back, look bewildered and then take off running on every play.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
This sets up a situation where Knapp and DA both stay. If Pryor kills it, continuity is the best thing for our 2013 opening day starter.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
95.7 The Game says, “Raider Head Coach Dennis Allen names Terrelle Pryor starting QB for Sunday.”
December 28th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
LOL.. sorry, I was way late on that info.. Haha
December 28th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
76.RaiderDebo Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Sunday’s game just became must-see TV!
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Probably for the first two offensive series, and then people will be like….”Oh, so that’s why he never got to play! Boy, I hope those Carson Palmer retirement rumors are false!”
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That’s what money says will happen. After he runs through the 4 or 5 plays he’s mastered and can mostly remember, then what’s he going to do? Drop back, look bewildered and then take off running on every play.
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So he knows half of Knapps playbook? lol
December 28th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
I hope Pryor looks awesome….so we can fool another team into trading for him….and they can then see how defenses play him once they have tape on him.
If we can get a Kolb-like trade done that would be great!
Arizona is always a good mark for robbing picks from….they might be interested.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Oh I want him to be awesome. I just think its highly unlikely. U know. Cuz I’ve watched football before. But of course, when they try protect him by having him throw screens and dump offs, everyone will scream it’s knapps fault for not letting him throw downfield. Of course they’ve never seen him do that before.
December 28th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Yes sir, I hope Pryor does great because what else would you want from a player that is an Oakland Raider?
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BOTTOM LINE!!!
All it can do is help the RAIDERS if he plays well or shows some potential.
Good Luck TP6